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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms
However terrible this sounds, I rarely get involved in guild/clan voice chat unless it's southerners and midwesterners. While they will say some of the craziest and most off color stuff sometimes, they seem to have a certain level of social ettiquette that most others lack. They don't seem to get into politics and religion in mixed company. They also seem to 'feel out the crowd' when it comes to sex related comments and set the bar high enough to be shockingly entertaining but not too high as to offend the others in voice chat. That bar always seems to be a moving target, shifting based on who comes and goes in chat. :)
With text chat, if it goes off in a direction I don't care for, it's easy enough for me to switch channels so it never really bothers me there.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
Originally posted by bliss14
A cobra bit Chuck Norris once, after 10 days of intense agony the cobra died.
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Joined: 1/10/08
IMHO, Global chat is the cancer of MMORPG's... it completely breaks immersion and is more or less filled bullshit the likes of 4chan.
This especially holds true on RP servers which are completely unmoderated and devolve quickly to the same barrens chat we've all come to abhor.
Vent, mumble etc... well that a completey different show and is really up to your clan executives to dictate that policy... If you have a special general room where you can talk about whatever thats fine... but I personally hate shit that breaks immersion.
Perhaps I am just one of those crotchity old bastids yellin at the kids to get off my lawn...
Originally posted by Wighty
-his tengu moves into geosync orbit above your location in-game- want me to break it from orbit with nukes? :D god... dude... it's everyone's choice what to do, I get you want to RP and there are places to do that but to quality of RP these days has gone down the shitter, there has been more than one NWN 1 persistent server that has gone down in flames after the RP went to The Twilight Saga Zone ( I know one particularly horrific story of one such server where a part of the GMs turned into vampire lords... cue Hellsing anime level vampire on human wars and actual in-game cyber orgies... yeah... it went from bad to worse to are you kidding me? XD )
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Joined: 1/06/05
Originally posted by Kyleran
For the most part I agre. It depends on who they are. I have been playing with a small group of people over the years and I don't mind hearing about their lives, I think we've become actual friends over the years as much as one can over the interwebz. I even meet one of them (who is "related" to the others one way or another) for drinks when he is in town.
Having said that, if it's a large general clan chat with people who don't really know you well, I would say I agree to everything you said.
I don't want to hear about how drunk you are, don't mind if you swear though, don't want to hear how you are out of a job and yet you are playing video games and spending money in them yet you are worried about your finances (that actually happened to me once and I tried to give "advice" but you can lead a horse to water...)
And the thing is, I'm an extrovert so it's not like I have problems talking with total strangers. I just think you should "know your audience".
This is not to say I'm going to go balistic and if someone gets on vent and really needs advice or an ear to listen, I'll do it, but I do believe there is a time and a place.
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Joined: 2/06/09
I totally agree Kyle, I'm in game to play a game not talk about righting the worlds wrongs or slagging off other MMO players (I can do that here ) So I avoid VC as much as I can and I tell guild leaders this when I join, but of course I'll use VC in dungeons and PvP as its a great tool for that. I type fast so I'll do that I'm not playing an MMO to make lifelong friends I'm there to play with others and enjoy the unique gaming experience MMO's provide.
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Joined: 10/06/06
If it's with random people then I can understand. I ran WoW raids with a close knit 10 man group and a lot of RL talk would happen at times. We were all on a first name basis. It didn't irritate me really as I felt we were all good friends.
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Joined: 2/15/12
On occasion a new member to the guild will make the mistake of talking politics or religion. If he doesnt take the hint, quickly, that those topics aren't appreciated, they are removed.
After reading through the comments in this thread however, I have to ask what kind of guilds are your guys in? A good 30% are against idle chit chat. Seriously? Unless you purposely join an RP guild, why the hell would you want an uninviting environment like that?
When you are in the middle of pvp, then VC discipline comes into affect. When everyone is just sitting around or doing something unimportant like PvE, why not talk to eachother?
My guild in GW2 chats all the time, especially when we are making fun of Sea of Sorrows or Sanctum of Rall.
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Joined: 1/10/11
I dont really see the point for this discussion, all the chatting stuff is up to the guild rules, and general chat is the general chat.
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Joined: 11/21/08
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Some of the best times I've had in MMOs have been with real life friends, and it would be... uh, just awkward not to talk about any "real life" stuff with them. :)
I'm also OK with talking about real life stuff with people I don't know from real life, though with them I'll certainly steer clear of stuff that's really personal. I'll also stay away from issues that's prone to conflict.
In other words, I'll stick to friendly chat and nothing too serious.
On a related note, I don't think everybody plays MMOs to "just play the game". Socializing is certainly a part of the genre in my opinion and chatting about real life stuff can be part of it.
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Joined: 11/19/05
The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.
Depends on the conversation, the channel etc. If it's in-game and generally broadcast, I tend to /ignore people chatting about RL.
If it's a guild I am more tolerant. If things go over the top for too long, I leave and go back to my solitary wandering.
It is a mixed bag for me. Generally, I am with you Kyleran.
A lot of people don't seem to "take a measure" of other people when in voice chat. Many times they just spout whatever comes into their head without engaging their brain. Games are inundated with Facebook people who think I care about what they had for lunch and need to see a picture of it.
Idle chit chat in and of itself is fine by me, but not everyone can hold back from gory details or cases of "TMI." All too soon, idle chit chat degrades into one-upmanship.
Voice chat is worse than text chat. A player has to actually work at typing out their words and may sometimes see what they type before hitting "send." Text chat can still get wildly inane, though. Voice chat has no such work. Just open mouth and talk. Maybe hit a "talk button."
For me, I don't have online friends. If I have not met you face to face, you are, at best, an acquaintance. I really don't care about another's personal life. If something tragic happens, I feel bad for them and can do nothing about it from my end. I did not log on to commiserate with others.
Overall, chit chat does not bother me. But many times it degrades quickly into more personal info than I care to know about. Soon drama follows and this is when I leave.
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Joined: 7/15/12
I'm very gregarious and enjoy socializing in mmo's. If you do not, it is your prerogative to mute me or excuse yourself. However, you cannot dictate how people interact outside your privately owned channels. We are paying customers too. General chat is for general chat.
"He asked me how my day was. Ban him!"
"Teacher! Teacher! They're laughing and talking, and not about fireballs and heals! I want them to talk about fireballs again and again...........but without me!"
Come to think of it, why do introverts involve themselves with mmo's then complain about human interaction? Why are they bothered by the way others socialize, especially when they are left alone upon request? Are introverts reaching out when posting on forums?
Save RP for RP servers. I should start a toon on one of those servers and say "Yo what up peeps?! Geez, RP...RP....RP.........don'tcha talk bout other stuffz? Word! True dat!"
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Joined: 1/30/07
I lose more stars than a hollywood speedball convention.
Overall subject to myself it comes down to this.
"Why should anyone care if you chit chat or chatty cathy it up".
This is the problem with the good ole internet. People forget this is a facist place.
To the greater good. The individual matters not in any chat. It's a collective and you cannot place your little self outside of (the collective). Besides disconnecting.
Introverts, exoverts, billyverts. All of these are caste indoctrination.
Get over yourself, in essence.
(That's what I had to do. Just get over it, it's a first world problem, people in ethopia are killing eachother over a bag of chips yo.)
Hard Core Member
Joined: 11/23/05
"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."
I'd rather know the characters people create, rather than the people themselves. The characters they create are often more interesting than the people themselves. I'd like to be treated the same way.
I'm rather tolerant of OOC chat. But I'd rather keep my game life to games, and my real life to reality. When I find that I am opening up about OOC issues, I treat it as a sign that I need to take a break from the MMO. When I see it in others, when they start to talk about OOC things to me, I usually tell them to take a break from the game as well.
I'm of the theory, alongside Castronova, that people usually dive into an MMO after reality kicks them for a loop. It's a place to take a break from reality, but it is no substitute for reality.
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
Novice Member
Joined: 12/05/05
Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?
For the most part I agree with you.
Politics is the one that drives me up the wall. When general chat devolves into that.....well, let's just say its the real world I'm trying to get away from.
But there have been instances, for example, real life issues of the people I play with can matter. Not drama queens who are always in crisis or gossipy who is dating who stuff, but rather, here's an example where it mattered to me:
A person who I've gamed with for years, who I met through gaming, suffered a traumatic injury in a car accident - for real. I'm glad I knew that.
Novice Member
Joined: 11/02/10
game is also real
pretty much depends on discussion and how people tolerate each other.
most of the time I like real life discussion if it not turning into personal data hunting, or massive flame.
sure would prefer to hear some funny stories instate of politics or deep religious discussions, but don't mind them either if it not turn into dispute.
hate mindless chats like:
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Elite Member
Joined: 4/12/11
RIP City of Heroes!
Originally posted by Sovrath
What makes you think introverts have trouble talking to people but extroverts are good? Do you mistake shyness for interversion? Here is a most basic understanding in the difference between introverts and extroverts: Extroverts feel more energetic when social and drained when lonely. Introverts reverse that. Shyness is a different thing altogether like eye color. While an Introvert could be shy, it works better for him due to the inner locust, whereas an extrovert being shy causes bind in that extroverts need to be social.
Apprentice Member
Joined: 1/18/10
"I am not the light, or the darkness, but the twilight in between"
Well I dont roleplay, but I cant stand all the real life chat either.
Im playing a lot of PS2 right now, and most of the time you have to be paying attention or get shot from behind. The game moves real fast.
And almost every squad I get into, some stupid discussion starts about a movie, or somebodies drunk adventure.
If you are one of them, trust me when I say..... we dont care!!


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Hawks sale falls apart, team taken off market. Sorry Hawks fans.
Nov 4, 2011, 6:32 PM EDT
To Hawks fans hoping for a new ownership to breathe new life into a franchise seemingly stuck in the middle, we're sorry to pass along this news.
The sale of the Hawks to Alex Meruelo has been scuttled — something rumored for a few weeks around concerns about Meruelo's finances — and now the Atlanta Spirit ownership group has taken the team off the market, reports the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
The agreement between Meruelo and current Hawks owner Atlanta Spirit Group, signed in early August and contingent on NBA approval, was terminated by mutual agreement Friday….
The Spirit says its current plan is to hold on to the franchise indefinitely. "The Atlanta Hawks are no longer for sale," (Spirit group leader Bruce) Levenson said in a statement. "We're excited to remain as owners of the Hawks and are committed to building on our string of four straight playoff appearances."
The Spirit ownership group has the reputation of fighting amongst itself. It does approve odd things like giving Joe Johnson more money than LeBron James. Still it's a struggle. If the basketball side of the business wants to make a decision it has to lobby and politic to get enough of the owners on their side. And for now, that odd system will continue.
Which means a team that is good — they've made the second round of the playoffs the last two years — but not really good enough to challenge for a ring will pretty much stay as they are.
Sorry Hawks fans. It doesn't bode well for the future. (Although I have to think if another suitor comes along, the Spirit will listen.)
- flyerscup2010 - Nov 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM
at least thet don't own the thrashers anymore. if they're terrible basketball owners, they were at least twice as bad for the thrashers. hockey never had a chance to succeed in atlanta because the owners didn't care enough to grow it. they treated the thrashers like a vanity team much like a celebrity owner of an arena football team would…except they're not symbolic minority owners, they're the controlling interest in both teams. it's not dissimilar to comcast subordinating the sixers to the flyers…the difference is that they still paid a ton of money for players and tried to run a good operation, they just had no interest in promoting the team or the sport in a town that has ceased to be a basketball town ever since villanova decided to destroy what the big 5 once was.
- craigw24 - Nov 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Does that mean the Hawks are officially taking the place of Donald Sterling??
- therealhtj - Nov 5, 2011 at 9:33 PM
the proposed sale ended with Meruelo saying "You guaranteed Joe Johnson WHAT???????????"
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Firestorm wears a riff on his comic costume in teaser photo; Carter fights to clear Howard Stark's name and more.
Reacting on social media to the "Arrow" midseason finale, Stephen Amell states that the show is "bigger than any one character."
Rumor suggests Sony may not be through negotiating with Marvel over Spider-Man; a mystery character will return to "Arrow" in 2015 and more.
Ra's al Ghul comes to Starling City and Sara Lance's killer is finally revealed in a midseason finale that ends with a literal cliffhanger.
EP Marc Guggenheim explains how "Arrow's" Ra's differs from Liam Neeson's, the A.T.O.M. suit and Neal Adams' influence on the show.
The newest clip from the "Arrow" midseason finale sees Team Arrow discover the surprising possible identity of Sara Lance's killer.
Arrow and The Flash grapple with moral issues even as they team up to stop Captain Boomerang's path of death and destruction.
"Arrow" heads to a midseason halt next week, but not before Stephen Amell and Matt Nable battle it out with swords in the snow.
The actor has expressed his desire to travel to all of the currently airing DC Comics shows, including "Gotham" and "Constantine."
A classic team-up, a superhero battle for the ages and the debut of a DC Comics character we've been waiting for all season. Plus ... the Rainbow Raider?
Stars Stephen Amell, Grant Gustin, Emily Bett Rickards and more talk with CBR about this week's two-part "Flash" and "Arrow" crossover.
"Draw Back Your Bow" feels like Season 1 episode as Cupid arrives to Starling City, but a Cinderella-like subplot involving Felicity Smoak and Ray Palmer saves the day.
The boxing glove arrow -- once thought of as a relic from a bygone era in comic books -- made its live-action debut on last night's "Arrow."
Did Roy Harper murder Sara Lance? Is Ted Grant a serial killer? The answers are revealed in this week's episode, which also introduces the Boxing Glove Arrow!
Marc Guggenheim hints at what the future holds for Starling City, Oliver and Felicity's relationship, new heroes & villains and more!
The "Age of Ultron" director discusses getting a different perspective on the super team; "Flash" production designer on the big League shout out & more.
As the hunt for Malcolm Merlyn begins, a fairly uneventful episode of "Arrow" leads to a game-changing introduction.
Oliver & Co. track down Thea, who's been busy, Diggle's concerns about ARGUS grow, and Laurel turns to Ted Grant.
Robbie Amell tells CBR News about his "Flash" debut, playing Firestorm and his hope for scenes with his cousin Stephen, the star of "Arrow."
Robbie Amell talks bringing Firestorm to life with Victor Garber; Neil Gaiman hints at Sandman's inclusion on a separate DC film slate & more.
The "LEGO Batman 3" panel at NYCC included new reveals and special guests, including Stephen Amell and Kevin Smith!
In this week's episode, it's a time for mourning and the pursuit of justice as Team Arrow says goodbye to a fallen friend.
"Arrow" star Stephen Amell paid homage to a cast member while teasing a huge shirtless sword fight in the CW show's third season.
"Arrow" executive producer Marc Guggenheim details the happenings of the third season premiere -- including the major surprise at the end.
"Arrow" kicks off its third season with a shocking ending, and the arrival of three faces familiar to DC Comics fans.
Oliver asks about Italian food and Felicity has a brand new job in the newest clip from the "Arrow" season three premiere.
The "Arrow" stars spoke with CBR TV at Comic-Con to discuss bringing comedy to the CW series and tease what's next for Felicity and Oliver.
Kevin Smith, Geoff Johns and a voiced-by-Stephen Amell Green Arrow are the latest playable characters to join the next "LEGO Batman" game.
Stars Stephen Amell and Grant Gustin are showcased in photos from the Vancouver set of their series' upcoming crossover.
Stephen Amell weighs in on the Oliver/Felicity romance, which superhero should visit Starling City and the Arrow's place in the DCU.
As the ALS awareness-raising Ice Bucket Challenge continues to captivate social media, multiple comics industry pros have gotten involved.
"Arrow" continues to expand the DC TV world with characters like Ray Palmer and Ra's Al Ghul joining the hit drama while testing its namesake hero and his allies.
The CW has released a first look at "Arrow" season three, including a recap of season two and a first look at Brandon Routh as Ray Palmer.
The actor explains his take on the Scarlet Speedster as The CW's latest superhero series prepares to race out of the gate.
Guggenheim tells CBR how Oliver Queen and his band of merry men will be looking to redefine themselves as the hit CW series enters its third season.
DC has released new details for "Harley Quinn Invades Comic-Con International San Diego," which features an appearance from "Arrow" star Stephen Amell.
Executive produce Andrew Kreisberg discusses the major, unexpected character death and the other big developments from this week's "Arrow."
The comics fan and star of "Arrow" spoke at the Emerald City Comicon about keeping in shape and the end of the "no superpowers" rule on The CW show.
This 3-minute long trailer for the next episode of "Arrow" showcases Deathstroke, the Suicide Squad and Oliver's Starling City allies.
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The results of this study have allowed the researchers to estimate the shell pigmentation patterns of ancestral species, identify lineages in which one or more parameters have evolved rapidly, and measure the degree to which different parameters correlate with the evolutionary development and history of the organisms. Since the parameters are telling the researchers something about the circuitry of the mollusks' nervous system, this is an indirect way to study the evolution of a simple nervous system.
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"In the future, we hope to use similar ideas to understand other pattern-forming systems that are controlled by the nervous system," Ermentrout added. "For instance, we would really like to develop models for some of the cephalopods like the cuttlefish and the octopus, which are able to change patterns on their skin in an instant."
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The shooter appears to have been a liberal and mocked republicans and held strong beliefs for gun laws.
The teenage gunman who entered Arapahoe High School on Friday afternoon and shot two fellow students with a shotgun was outspoken about politics, was a gifted debater and might have been bullied for his beliefs, according to students who knew him.
Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson identified the gunman as Karl Pierson, an 18-year-old student.
"He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff," said junior Abbey Skoda, who was in a class with Pierson during her freshman year. "I also heard he was bullied a lot."
Robinson said that his department was investigating reports that Pierson was seeking to settle a score with a teacher after a confrontation.
Pierson also appears to mock Republicans on another Facebook post, writing "you republicans are so cute" and posting an image that reads: "The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women's Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?"
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Median pay for Ramp Agents in the United States is around $10.98 per hour. Compensation ranges from $8.71 per hour on the lower end to $20.28 on the higher end. Compensation for this group is mainly affected by career duration, but the specific employer and geography are influential factors as well. Men make up the vast majority of Ramp Agents (86 percent) who took the survey. Health benefits are not enjoyed by everyone in this line of work, and just under one in three lack any coverage at all. Medical benefits are reported by a majority and dental coverage is claimed by the larger part. Job satisfaction is high and work is enjoyable for most Ramp Agents. The figures in this rundown are based on the results of PayScale's salary questionnaire.
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A ramp agent is primarily responsible for handling aircraft baggage, as well as loading and unloading luggage onto an airplane and guiding aircraft to and from their gates. While this person is sometimes referred to as a "baggage handler," the responsibilities and duties certainly extend beyond luggage. A ramp agent is generally required to have a high school diploma (or equivalent), and advanced degrees are not necessarily required. This person must typically be over the age of eighteen and able to lift heavy items.Read More...
Naturally, a ramp agent is employed at an airport and will work within a team of other ramp agents. The hours can vary, as this is truly a 24-hour/day position. Work is done both inside and outside the airport, and each agent also goes through a background security screening.
A ramp agent may either be an employee of the airport itself or work directly for an airline or vendor. There is a variety of duties and responsibilities associated with this position, including: guiding planes in and out of gates; ground servicing of aircraft; loading and unloading baggage; operation of baggage loader belts; operation of diesel tractors; operation of baggage carts; de-icing fluids on aircraft; and lifting baggage over 70lbs. A ramp agent must be able to work in extreme conditions as well as small spaces - this person is, ideally, in excellent physical condition.
This position generally requires a person who is able to handle a fast-paced and sometimes-stressful environment with quick and urgent deadlines; a ramp agent should also be able to communicate effectively and efficiently with team members and supervisors alike.
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Police said they pepper sprayed woman when she wouldn't stop kicking woman on ground
CORPUS CHRISTI - Corpus Christi police said officers had to use pepper spray on a 39-year-old woman who wouldn't stop kicking a 23-year-old woman, who was on the ground, Saturday.
Police arrived at the night club in the 3900 block at South Port Avenue before 1 a.m. and found six women arguing. The 39-year-old woman began kicking the other woman and continue after officers ordered her to stop. Officers pepper sprayed the aggressor and arrested her for assault.
Melinda Llamas, who, according to the Nueces County courthouse website, has 12 previous convictions, had bonded out of Nueces County jail by Monday.
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The state of mining and mineral exploration in Ontario's Far North including mining claims (as of 2015), withdrawals from staking, advanced mineral exploration projects, and producing mines.
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Even though Ontario's mining sector has been in a downturn for the past two years, mining is still big business. Ontario's mining sector directly employs 26,000 people and supports 41,000 more jobs within the mining service and supply industries. The sector made $11B in 2014 and invested $1.3B back into the province.
Mining has recently moved into Ontario's Far North. This remote region contains globally significant ecosystems and is home to many species at risk, including caribou, wolverine, polar bears and lake sturgeon. Mines in the Far North will require new roads and power sources to be viable and this will open up the region beyond just the mines themselves.
New industrial development, together with climate change, will create direct and cumulative impacts on fish, wildlife and people in the Far North. These include habitat loss and fragmentation, impacts to subsistence use (e.g., hunting, fishing, trapping, medicines), and diminished ecosystem services. Project-specific regulations and approvals under environmental assessment and community-based land use plans are too narrow and piecemeal to account for anticipated cumulative social and ecological effects of multiple mines and new all-weather roads.
To better understand how development in the Far North affects wildlife, ecosystems, and people, we conducted surveys for fish, caribou and wolverine. We've also developed cumulative effects models to consider how future mining and new infrastructure may impact wildlife and their habitats. WCS Canada provides scientific review and public comments on permits for exploration and environmental assessments. Finally, we have provided expert testimony and advice to several First Nations engaged with mineral exploration and mining companies.
Recently, Ontario's Ministry of Northern Development and Mines (MNDM) invited input from industry, Indigenous peoples, and the general public on the renewal of Ontario's Mineral Development Strategy (MDS) to help guide future development and management of mineral resources in Ontario. When the strategy was developed nine years ago, Ontario's mining sector was on an upswing. The current MDS needs to consider these inevitable downturns and with this in mind, we offered four recommendations:
1. Address the role of new mines, particularly in remote areas like the Ring of Fire. Mines in the Ring of Fire require infrastructure that will be expensive to build and maintain. Current planning processes cannot address the broader implications of region-opening mines nor what happens to communities when mines close and whether infrastructure is cost-effective and suited for post-mine use. We describe one solution for regional planning in the Ring of Fire, however, renewing the MDS is an important opportunity for MNDM to address the unique challenges of remote mining in Ontario's Far North.
2. Ensure mining projects are subject to Ontario's Environmental Assessment Act (EAA). Currently, Ontario's EAA does not cover private sector projects like mining, nor does it require an assessment of cumulative effects. While ultimately reform of the EAA is required, the MDS should address how future mineral exploration and mining will meet society's expectations for robust environmental assessment.
3. Address Free, Prior and Informed Consent (FPIC) with First Nations. In 2009, Ontario's modernized Mining Act came into force. Among other updates, this Act encouraged mineral exploration activities that recognized and affirmed Aboriginal and treaty rights and the duty to consult. While consultation is required, the stronger test for Indigenous peoples, governments, and the mining industry is FPIC. Renewal of the MDS is an excellent opportunity for MNDM to consider how consultation processes with Indigenous peoples should be improved in Ontario.
4. Modernize Ontario's mining tax regime and provide more transparency. While Ontario has one of the lowest mining taxation rates in the world, industry and government maintain that mining is an expensive enterprise and current taxation regimes are necessary. Recent questions about revenues from Ontario's mining royalties and diamond royalty suggest that the renewal of the MDS is a timely opportunity to review the costs and benefits of the tax structure as well as seek input from the public and Indigenous peoples.
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Rubio and the other seven bipartisan members of the Gang of Eight introduced their comprehensive immigration reform plan on Tuesday, but an unveiling event was postponed until Thursday because of the Boston Marathon bombings.
Rubio said S. 744, isn't perfect, but that there will be plenty of time for senators to make changes and provide input during the committee and amendment process. He said the more than 800-page bill likely wouldn't reach the Senate floor until next month.
Republicans, including Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), have complained that the Gang of Eight process was behind closed doors, and have expressed concerns that the bill would be rushed to the floor.
"One other criticism is that it's being rushed through," Rubio said. "That's just not true. ... People are going to have three to four weeks to review it."
On Friday, the Senate Judiciary Committee will begin to look at the legislation.
Rubio said the bill requires border enforcement measures before any of the 11 million people within the United States illegally were given the opportunity to apply for a green cards.
Rubio and Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Michael Bennet (D-Co.) comprise the Gang of Eight.


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Jillaine Smith
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Posted: 24 Apr 2005 4:15PM GMT
Has anyone placed online a GEDCOM or other family tree of the Mayflower Descendants? If so, could someone please point me to it? Many thanks!
-- Jillaine Smith
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Cynthia Simmons
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Posted: 1 May 2005 11:59PM GMT
We're talking thousands...and thousands of descendants. Do you have a specific ancestor who arrived on the Mayflower?
Cynthia Simmons (Alden, Warren, Mullins)
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Posted: 2 May 2005 1:02AM GMT
Edited: 28 Sep 2006 7:01PM GMT
I'm not aware of any one tree for all Mayflower descendants for a few generations (the GSMD estimates there are in excess of 35 million living descendants of Mayflower passengers), however some societies have placed trees for individual passengers online or promise to do so
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Jillaine Smith
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Posted: 2 May 2005 1:35AM GMT
Apologies... I should have been more specific... I was looking for the first few generations-- let's say no more than five. I have a number of branches that take my husband's line back to the 1630s and 1640s in Massachusetts. I am exploring the possibility that some of those early pilgrims (most of whom were Puritans) married with early descendants of Mayflower passengers.
After subsequent exploring, I did find a Mayflower gedcom that included a link to my husband's (direct) line; namely: John ROGERS who married Ann CHURCHMAN. John was the son of Mayflower passenger, Thomas ROGERS.
2. John's daughter, Lydia ROGERS (1642-1727) m. Joseph WHITE (1630-1706).
3. Their daughter, Experience WHITE (1680-?) m. Ephraim MILLARD (1676-?).
4. Their son, Daniel MILLER (1713-1798) m. Hannah THAYER.
5. Their daughter Hannah MILLER (1748-1826) m. Thomas BARBER (1742-1819).
I'll stop there in terms of the lineage.
These research results, however, do raise a question for me:
John ROGERS was the son of Mayflower passenger Thomas ROGERS, but John did not ride the Mayflower himself, nor was he born in the colonies. He was born in England and came over on a later ship, apparently the "last of the Leidne contingent" (presumably of which Mayflower passengers were first).
How does this affect my husband's descendancy from the Mayflower (if at all)?
I looked through all the other early descendants of Mayflower passengers and did not find another link to my husband's line. I now need to confirm this link through Lydia Rogers. She is supposedly the daughter of John, son of Thomas.
-- Jillaine
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Cynthia Simmons
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Posted: 2 May 2005 3:07PM GMT
I see no problem in the fact that John Rogers was born in England if he is the proven son of Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers. If I were you, however, I'd write or call the Mayflower Society to get the answer. Good luck!
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Posted: 2 May 2005 8:39PM GMT
Edited: 28 Sep 2006 7:01PM GMT
If you haven't discovered this already, you will find that the Lydia Rogers who was the daughter of a John Rogers and married Joseph White was the daughter of a different John Rogers from the son of Thomas the Mayflower passenger. John, the son of Mayflower passenger Thomas, had four children: John; Abigail; Anna; Elizabeth.
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Jillaine Smith
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Posted: 2 May 2005 10:19PM GMT
> If you haven't discovered this already, you will find that the
> Lydia Rogers who was the daughter of a John Rogers and
> married Joseph White was the daughter of a different John
> Rogers from the son of Thomas the Mayflower passenger.
> John, the son of Mayflower passenger Thomas, had four
> children: John; Abigail; Anna; Elizabeth.
Yeah... that has become clearer since my initial post.
I've posted over to the ROGERS board about this issue.
There are a number of people who tie Lydia to the Mayflower Thomas Rogers's son John, but a slightly larger majority who tie her to a different John Rogers, parentage apparently unknown, although a contemporary of Thomas' son John and who apparently came over around the same time. And NONE of them (that I've found so far) offer sufficient documentation of EITHER connection. (But I'm still looking.)
In the process of researching all of this, I also came across
(which appears to be written for children/students), which distinguishes the Mayflower Pilgrims from the Puritans. I somehow missed that or dropped that along the way somewhere, and I've been mushing them together.
The distinction would very much explain why my *slightly* later (as in within 10 years later) (Puritan) ancestors wouldn't have married into the (Separatist) Mayflower pilgrims.
I need to do some history book reading... (suggestions?)
Thanks everyone...
-- Jillaine
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Cynthia Simmons
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Posted: 3 May 2005 12:15AM GMT
I strongly suggest you listen to Harlow Chander. He helped me a great deal in the past re: Mayflower connection and is a serious and well-respected researcher. By the way, with his help, I was able to successfully connect with three Mayflower passengers! Again...bon chance!
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Edited: 28 Sep 2006 7:01PM GMT
The puritan/separatist dichotomy really isn't all that useful a concept in understanding the early colonists. It is true that a distinction can be drawn, but the Mass Bay colonists got along fine with the Plymouth colonists in terms of religion and church polity. Among the reasons for this may be that the Mass Bay people, while they said and probably believed that they did not want to separate from the Church of England, had in fact crossed the Atlantic and set up in the wilderness in order to do things their way. To say that they did not separate is something of a stretch, and they may have felt they had not separated because they felt THEY were the true church. The Plymouth separatists, on the other hand, were much less rigid about separation than often characterized. Pastor John Robinson, who stayed in Leyden until he died, characteristically looked for commonalities rather than differences. When the two groups found themselves close together in the colonies they quickly recognized that they were very close and often churches from one colony would ask for advice from churches in the other and ministers moved between colonies freely although there was an economic aspect to this too--Plymouth couldn't afford the "best" minsters.
Also Plymouth was a poor colony and went for many years without an ordained minister and when they did have ordained ministers they were almost always not on the same level as those in Massachusetts Bay. Some of the foremost puritan ministers in England found that for their health a voyage to New England was a very good idea, and so there were several high power ministers in Mass Bay who were pondering doctrine 24/7 and nothing like that was going on in Plymouth, so there was not the occasion for dispute.
This is not to say that everything went well between the colonies, but the differences were usually over territory, trading rights and Indian relations or politics having to do with keeping below the radar of the English crown, whoever that happened to be at a given time, and none of that really filtered down to the general populace.
The two colonies were less homogenous than sometimes thought, though. Individual towns were generally established by congregations or by business oriented partnerships who drew people from different parts of England, so that in Mass Bay even though two towns were next to each other, the cultures, especially in the first generation or two, might be very different. The New England culture also was very village oriented, unlike that say of Virginia, and that also tended to bring people together--literally in many cases where it was in fact illegal to build a home outside the small village and people had their farmland (pastures and hayfields mostly) outside the central village and away from the home. So the young people were growing up in close proximity and naturally that was the natural pool of prospective spouses. Of course, most people didn't get around much, which is to say not only were there forces pulling people together in the village, there were forces keeping them from going out from it too. Also, without any real social "safety net," it was important to consider who would take care of one's children in the event the parents died--so you often see siblings from one family marrrying siblings from another, and when marriage was also partially a business arrangement it was natural that the parents dealt with the people they knew well and had often grown up with in England.
There were a few families that had the money/status to live in a larger world than the majority of people, and marriages between people of Plymouth and Mass Bay were not uncommon among those people. On the other end of the social scale, where people did not have land to be tied to, there was more movement and more intermarrying, as there was also among those families whose members moved between seaports in maritime trades.
A book very often recommended for an overview of Plymouth Colony which also has a strong genealogical component is Eugene Aubrey Stratton's _Plymouth Colony_which can be purchased for about $20 or less when it is on sale which happens frequently, but which any library should either have or be able to get easily on interlibrary loan. That's a good starting point for Plymouth, but of course most of the people you're interested in are Mass Bay people, and I don't know of a comparable book for that colony. Perhaps because records have been so well kept, the Mass Bay colony is very fertile ground for PhD candidates writing dissertations. Consequently there is a vast supply of arcane books written in turgid academic prose and meant to impress a doctoral committee. These often look at the colony in terms of whatever happens to be the fad in the graduate schools at the time, and very often they look at just one village. So there's no shortage of books about Mass Bay, but the problem is finding one a person would want to read or which is a broad, non-controversial overview type thing (exactly what a PhD dissertation turned into a book is not). Francis Bremer wrote a biography of John Winthrop, _John Winthrop: America's Forgotten Founding Father_ , which was published a couple of years ago and is quite readable and should be available in most libraries or easily gotten. Since Mass Bay was very much Winthrop's baby this could be a good start, but of course since it is focussed on Winthrop it's not really an overview of the colony. Still, I think it would make a good starting point. There's a substantial amount devoted to Winthrop's life in England, but after all it was his life in England that caused him to lead a thousand people to New England and govern another nine thousand in the next few years, so it's not irrelevant to what Mass Bay was all about.
But the settlement of New England was much more complex than just being the story of two colonies. Even without thinking about Rhode Island, Hartford, Nantucket, New Haven and the settlements in what became New Hampshire, there were independent groups coming into both colonies and finding places to set up, and there were always those who were brought along as labor and so on. So it could well be that the individuals you're most interested in would not be part of the core of Mass Bay or Plymouth.
Finally, I would suggest that you might want to try some of the Rootsweb mailing lists
which are free and easy to get on and off. There is a huge number of lists, and a huge variety in the number of people subscribed and their expertise, but the Mayflower list has many people who can be of great help if you have questions relating to the Mayflower, and the county lists are also very good. Those under "general interest" for MA I feel would not be as good as the individual county lists.
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Jillaine Smith
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Posted: 3 May 2005 3:33AM GMT
Thank you so much for the quick, thoughtful and informative response. I am relatively new (but a quick study) to New England-related genealogy. It was a relatively recent discovery that my husband's maternal line has *numerous* branches back to early Colonial times. My own emigrators are much later and from Germany, so this aspect of family research has opened up a whole new sandbox in which to play and I am having a wonderful time; it's great to refreshen the old history lessons.
I am very familiar with Rootsweb lists and boards (I admin several), but I have not yet delved into New England lists. I have a fear of drowning... so I am trying to be selective re: what I dive into.
I realize I know very little about the distinctions between Plymouth Colony and Mass. Bay. But I suppose starting *that* discussion would be off topic for this board... or verging on it.
I'll poke around the web some more and see what comes up; thanks, too, for the reminder to visit my local library. I like that idea and will take a look at the books you've suggested.
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