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Joined: Apr 2006
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I'm about to post the section through the Great Divide Basin in WY. Hard to believe I'm only on day 10...Wayne says we did the ride faster than I'm doing my write-up.
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Pinedale, WY to Rawlins, WY
The sun rises around 6:00, and we usually roll out of our tents soon after. Today, however, is special. It's Great Divide Basin day, where we will have our longest stretch without gas. We will be riding through a high desert full of nothing. There's also a section near the start where Big Dog entered the waypoint "Bad Hill — Washed Out." Not knowing how bad it would be, Alex wanted to strike out early so he'd have extra time to struggle through whatever lay ahead.
On our way out of Pinedale I see something unusual in the back of a truck. I can't really tell what it is, but I'm pretty sure antlers are involved. Not until I look at the photo much later do I realize this American treasure is a floor lamp. If it's not a family heirloom, it should be.
Not too far out of Pinedale the dirt begins.
This is the first gate we've encountered on the entire trip. The road is also taking on a more TAT-like quality.
We arrive at Big Dog's bad hill and are relieved not to find Alex upside-down or otherwise incapacitated. Wayne goes up first, stops halfway for reasons unknown, and then continues on. I don't like the fact that he had to stop so I wait for his signal. He returns to the place he stopped and waves me up.
I rumble until I crest the first hill and drop into a sandy spot. Wayne wanted to make sure I didn't come into it too fast and tuck the front. The rest of the way is steep, but it looks doable so I continue on.
I make it to the top without dropping the bike and that always deserves a fist bump. (Footage of the hill ride is here).
Lander Cutoff was one of the first federally sponsored roads in the west. It was good for the emigrants and even better for CDT riders because...
...this road was so creamy and smooth they should've named it Ice Cream Cutoff.
We happen to be passing through the historic site of South Pass City on Gold Rush Days, where visitors could enjoy such activities as gold panning and anvil blasting (I didn't even know that existed — apparently it's brilliant entertainment if you've got a spare anvil and surplus gunpowder). It is mildly surreal to be in the middle of nowhere yet have vehicles continually stream by.
With South Pass City and Atlantic City behind us, we're heading into the heart of the Big Empty. From here to Rawlins it's a heaping plateful of NOTHING. That's why it's so very disconcerting to see Alex pointing in the wrong direction.
The Ural disapproved of the washboard surface and made this clear by spitting out its differential dipstick/plug. Alex backtracked in search of the plug but had no luck. While Alex and Wayne work on a solution, I backtrack the rest of the washboard section in hopes of finding the plug.
I return empty handed, but the boys have figured out a temporary solution with a hose slipped over a smaller bolt. Once again the Ural is cleared for flight.
Wayne and Simon have disappeared somewhere way ahead of me (Alex and Lola are even farther down the road). The dark grey skies over empty desert create a post-apocalyptic landscape that makes me feel like the last person on earth. There's lightning in the distance and, ya know, I'm feeling a little lonely right now... everybody's got a dog but me.
That's why I'm so excited to see this man-made oasis; it's a place to hide from the incoming weather. And being one to anthropomorphize everything, the slow movement of the pumpjack makes me feel like I've now got a mechanical pet to keep me company. Problem is, Wayne might get 50 miles down the road before he knows I've stopped. And there's the chance that a storm won't materialize so hunkering down would be a waste of time. I sigh and move on. At least I didn't hang around long enough to give the pumpjack a name and make leaving even harder.
I eventually catch up to Wayne, who has stopped to put on his rain gear. I do the same.
When we regroup with Alex about an hour later the storm has backed off — temporarily — and we strip back down for the heat.
Not even this wonky terrain will stop Alex and Lola from getting to Rawlins!
When we finally get to I-80 the eastbound lanes are closed so we're forced to share the westbound lanes. I-80 is a trucking corridor and the semis are all around us. The ones passing us in the other direction create wind blasts that push the DRZ around. The semi behind me is parked on my ass but I've got nowhere to go. Suddenly Wayne throws an arm up and veers off the freeway into the dirt median. I do the same and since we're travelling at 70 mph I'm hoping it's a smooth transition because if it's not this is going to hurt, especially if I spin back into traffic and that tail-gating semi runs me over.
I mentioned earlier that this was the longest stretch without gas, and Wayne's DRZ picked an uncomfortable place to underline that fact. Wayne pulls off the Rotopax and fills his tank. Although I haven't run out of gas and we're only a few miles from Rawlins, I demand that he also fill my tank because I do not want to go through that high speed freeway-departing maneuver again.
In Rawlins we look for a campground while Alex goes in search of a bolt to replace the one the Ural ejected. We pay for a spot at Western Hills Campground and while we're deciding in which spot to camp, that storm we had been eyeing throughout the basin now unloads on us with violent winds and thunder and lightning. We take shelter but we're still getting thrashed by the weather-gone-sideways. Simon looks like he's napping but he's actually shaking and quietly praying to his doggy god to make it stop.
If this weather can blow a bike over, a tent won't stand a chance. I go into the campground office and beg to have the charge cancelled. Thankfully, the woman at the counter lets us off the hook.
We're delighted to get a place at the Super 8 for the night and order Chinese food to be delivered to our room in celebration. Mongolian beef all around!
236 miles, 6:28 hours moving time
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Location: Alberta
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Keep it coming. So much wit and humor!!
Enjoying the ride so far.
I can do the squat LOL
2013 ride report:http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898211
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Rawlins, WY to Kremmling, CO
Goodbye Rawlins, we hardly knew ye. At the least, we do know that you are situated near some mighty wide roads.
If these dirt roads don't normally have a dotted line or anything else to indicate where the center is, why are these traffic barrels needed during repairs? Road workers must be terrible drivers! I'd ask someone but it's Sunday and no one is on site.
These ambassadors of Colorado line the road and welcome us to their state, where you can now legally spark up a fat one. Mile high? Now it is.
Other than the dualsporters we saw at the gas stop in Montana, we haven't seen any other motorcyclists so it's not hard for them to stand out. Anybody reading this recognize themselves? I am jealous of your ample windscreens.
We're back on the pavement as we cruise into Steamboat Springs. The traffic heading into town is tedious, as vehicles towing recreational items barely meet the speed limit. I can't decide what's more frustrating: urban commuter traffic or rural traffic on an impassible two-lane road. We eventually get into town and pull into a gas station. The pumps aren't working properly so we give up and opt to have lunch at the Mexican place right next to the pumps.
Our burritos are awesome. This and the sandwich in Butte have been the culinary standouts of the trip (I realize that's not hard when most meals have been coming out of cans and wrappers, but this is still a tremendous burrito). We chat with Kent, the owner, who lived in San Diego for a while. Kent is looking like a KTM rep in this photo.
Kent is into experimentation and he tells us about a dish he created featuring chorrizo, pistacios and macaroni and cheese. We aren't making particularly supportive comments about the blend so he insists we try it. It was, in fact, peculiar in concept but delicious in reality. If you stop at Taco Cabo in Steamboat Springs, tell Kent that Zina sent you. He will either look at you blankly or smile and slap you on the back. If he's concocting something new maybe he'll give you a sample.
It could be that Alex, Wayne and I have the emotional age of 17-year-olds, but we snort every time we pull into a Kum & Go. According to Wikipedia: It was a play on the phrase "come and go" using the initials of founders Krause and Gentle. Sales of Kum & Go-branded merchandise increased after Johnny Knoxville was seen wearing a Kum & Go t-shirt during a scene in the 2006 movie Jackass Number Two. Kum & Go + Jackass = Destiny.
And while we're on the subject of gasoline, something was up with Montana's petrol blend. I found it hard to ride behind Wayne because the exhaust stunk like dirty diesel. After we departed Montana and started using Idaho's gas, the smell stopped (and never came back in any other state). What are they putting in that Big Sky mix?
The usual afternoon build-up of clouds is taking place as we leave Steamboat Springs. Will we be heading into rain?
This fox with a fresh kill has a fluffy tail but otherwise seems low on fur. As I was fumbling with my camera it ran off so I only have a video of it.
As we're nearing the waypoint of a deep water crossing, we come across two riders. They warn us that another rider had tried crossing it the day before and sunk his bike in waist-deep water and it wouldn't start again. They found a way around the water but it sounded like a nasty slog that took them a couple of hours. They tell us we can easily bypass the water by taking the highway for a short stretch.
We don't need any convincing. Here's a photo from a trip to Utah where Wayne misjudged the water level. It took a couple of hours of draining and drying before the bike would run again. So thank you coarsegoldkid (advrider) and friend for saving us from ourselves because if we rode up to it, we'd probably have risen to the aquatic challenge, only to fail spectacularly.
While we're on the highway looking for the dirt turnoff it starts to rain. We're having a hard time finding the correct turnoff and end up riding back and forth a few times. We eventually decide a road we had previously started down must be the correct one so we continue on. Thankfully, the rain lets up before the trail gets sloppy.
It's late afternoon and we're about to descend into the valley. Time to start thinking about a camping spot somewhere down there.
About 10 miles from Kremmling we settle in for the night at Pumphouse Campground. It's a beautiful spot along the Colorado River, but what I like the most about it is the lack of insects, particularly mosquitoes. I am still scratching the bites I have until they're bloody.
A dog from a neighboring campground comes to visit. Alex is a Dog Whisperer and they are instinctively drawn to his primal magnetism. That and his endless supply of treats.
Since we've got some daylight remaining, we give the Ural a test drive. It's fun to drive, but I can only say that because I never took it out of first gear. I can see all the body English Alex puts into turning the rig at high speeds and it looks like a lot of work.
Alex treats me to what he calls "flying the chair," where he gets the sidecar into the air by tilting the Ural onto the motorcycle's two wheels (video here). I feel like I'm on a Disneyland e-ticket ride!
And finally, no day can end without the requisite sock washing. In Asian culture, the feet are the key energy centers and need to be kept clean or the chi will be blocked, resulting in a whole host of illnesses. Last time I didn't wash my feet I passed out and rode into a barbed wire fence.*
208 miles, 6:03 hours moving time
*I made this up. There just wasn't enough drama on today's ride. You gotta admit that this piqued your interest, no?
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Joined: Apr 2008
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Cornelis and I were happy to be of assistance to fellow dual sporters. We saw only a handful of riders on the UBCDR and CBCDR. By the way DRZ400s were the most popular mule.
Gnarly Adventurer
Joined: Oct 2008
Location: The Western Frontier,w/of Nevada,but just barely.
Oddometer: 108
Nice RR. Waiting for more.
The Moon is mine, not Felix's!
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Joined: Sep 2009
Location: SW Flowdah
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Very good stuff here. Your sauce is strong. Please sell all your worldly goods, quit your jobs and go rtw. It would be a very good read for us. Thanks in advance.
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
We have very little idea of what's over there...I bet the people are quite exotic!
I've been occupied this past week so I haven't had time to get another post done. I finally sat down long enough to get another day done (to be posted in a sec...). I'm hoping I can finish up the last few days without another long delay.
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Kremmling, CO to Salida, CO
Simon usually sits right next to one of the bikes, convinced that we'll try to ditch him, but for some reason he's taking a chance this morning and sitting in the road. That's an impressive shadow for a dog of exceedlingly small stature.
My GPS has two sizeable blotches that grew from two small lines. They aren't a big deal but every time I glance down I think they're waypoints for water crossings.
It's a fast road into Kremmling that's also light on dust due to the recent rains. I can sense a Kum & Go waiting for us just miles away.
This couple "skiing" down the road is moving along with decent speed. It would appear that she's parapalegic while he's an amputee. She's a fair way in the lead, which is surprising given the guns on the guy. Maybe she's the mechanic and he got the wheels with square bearings.
Dillon Reservoir is the largest water storage facility owned and operated by Denver Water. If you're angry at someone in Denver, you know where to pee.
In Breckenridge, these two gents show interest in the Ural. They walk part way across the parking lot and stop, asking questions about the rig across a DMZ they won't cross. As another man not sporting full-body orange approaches their truck, the two dutifully retreat, showing us the SUMMIT COUNTY JAIL stamped across their backs. What I learn today: Dudes who run afoul of the law dig Urals more than DRZs. Can't blame them, especially since the camo paint job is the antithesis of their screaming orange togs.
The post-lunch scenery is excellent for digestion.
Boreas Pass reaches 11,481 feet. Wayne gives a thumbs up for the DRZs that keep on chugging despite the thin air.
We've seen a lot of cows so far, but these are our first Texas Longhorns. This one looks self-assured enough that I snap the pic as quickly as possible so I can get both hands back on the bars. They might be extremely docile, but I still would never turn my back on anything with two bayonets glued to their heads. And hey, doesn't the sky look a little dark?...
...Oh, that's because it freaking is. The rain begins gradually but reaches full annoyance before too long. An ordinarily easy road is now soft with mud and the DRZs are tracking wherever the mud wants it to track. I can't speak for Wayne, but I think this is the hardest riding yet. Actually, there's no real riding involved I'm just applying the gas and accepting whatever comes.
We make it into Hartsel, which is a little drier than where we were at. We're not feeling optimistic about the weather clearing up so Wayne calls the Super 8 in Salida and reserves a room (it looks like he's giving himself a "time out" in the process). We make the decision to bypass a dirt section into Salida since it's marked with a water crossing. A recent storm has caused flash flooding through parts of Colorado (along with a rare funnel cloud on Pikes Peak) so that crossing is probably anything but a crossing at the moment.
The rain has backed off but it's still not a Kodak-moment type of afternoon.
We finally knock out the pavement miles and arrive at the Salida Super 8 where our own Hot Tub Time Machine awaits us. 1986, take us away!
183 miles, 4:29 hours moving time
Joined: Sep 2011
Location: The Dandenong Ranges, Vic
Oddometer: 449
Enjoying your RR, pics and humour.
2 week Aussie Tiger Tale
A dog and cat go out to play..
Rides - Victoria, Australia
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Joined: Jul 2007
Location: Central Coast, CA. USA & Cabo San Lucas, Baja Sur
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Late to this! Glad you guy's are back, Your 2011 report was Awesome. Looking forward to this one.
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Joined: Aug 2005
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You need a mosquito laser defense system.
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Salida, CO to Chama, NM
It was such a hard night of partying for Lola that her soul fled through her eyes so it could get some rest in a quiet corner before re-entering that burly body for another long day of riding shotgun.
This couple stared at us all yesterday afternoon as we unpacked, and they're back this morning to pick up where they left off. Don't they know how to work a TV? They are travelling with someone related to them, as a loud command to get their asses in gear is delivered by a woman whose nerves seem frayed by the responsibility of caring for aging parents (whose only pastime is staring at strangers).
Alex and Wayne chat about whatever it is dudes like to chat about (pick one: vehicles, weapons, team sports, action movies, or mammalian milk-delivery devices.) Wayne's concentration is not 100% there because he's been complaining all morning about how his boots seemed to have shrunk as a result of the previous day's rains. Apparently, they are so tight they're causing a bit of pain.
Wayne looks at the line between pavement and dirt while Simon looks at whatever dogs with cataracts think they're looking at (pick one: food or food).
The rains from the previous day make this stretch of road perfect. There's no dust and the traction combined with moderate surface imperfections makes it a blast to ride. I give it a thumbs up.
Marshall Pass is at 10,842 feet so Simon puts on his hangdog "I've got altitude sickness so how about a medicinal biscuit?" face.
It's a fine day to cruise into the Rio Grande National Forest.
Once we're back on pavement we wait to regroup with Alex. Wayne still cannot believe how much his boots have shrunk and how hard it is to shift. Just standing there makes his feet throb. He asks me how my boots feel. I tell him they feel great spacious, even. Hmmm...
...we realize at the same moment we must've swapped boots! None of our riding gear is identical except for the boots and all this time Wayne had his size 10.5 feet jammed into my 7.5 boots. When I am done crying and snorting and slapping my thigh it's hilarious when you're not on the suffering end of it! we have a boot repatriation ceremony. Only after my boots are back on my feet do I realize how (deliciously) sloppy Wayne's boots were. I feel like I'm going from a full-size sedan back to a compact.
It's lunch time at La Garita, a single-business kinda town.
Although La Garita is in the middle of nowhere, they've still got what really matters.
After lunch we hit some fun two-track that has a TAT flavor. There are plenty of puddles from the rain and for my street friends who have never ridden through mud, here's a clip of how it can send your bike in a random direction.
Anybody notice I haven't crashed on this trip yet? Well, that lucky streak ends here and now. We made a brief stop and upon resuming I wipe the camera cover and focus on Alex and Wayne to try to get some nice footage. I'm not paying enough attention to the terrain and drive into a rut that slaps me into the dirt. I'm on a slight bank so there's hope I can pick up the bike without destroying my spine and every muscle attached to it. I put my back to the bike, grab the handlebar and the rear rack, and dead lift the pig for all I'm worth. I'm surprised I get it righted (minor back soreness the next day) and catch up to Wayne who's waiting for me.
Wayne is probably telling me how much better his feet feel right now.
A lot of bicyclists must've been wandering onto the airport property because there were many of these signs to keep them on the proper path.
Del Norte has a grocery store so we grab some items for dinner. Wayne and Simon look away as if they don't know each other: Wayne is ashamed of having a puny, girly dog and Simon is ashamed of being seen with the filthy homeless-looking dude.
You can buy buffalo meat online from a company in Del Norte these must be the blissfully ignorant steaks-to-be.
South of Del Norte are miles and miles of switchbacks that wind up and down around several mountains. It's such physical riding I'm not able to take my hand off the bar to do my one-handed shots. I try to take video but the battery in my action cam is dead. For those who know the true value of a squiggly line on a map, I'm sure you can appreciate this bit of twisted intestine.
After that long stretch, we need a break. While we're hanging out, a camp host working in the area ask if we'll deliver a message to the campers at Spectacle Lake (it's just far enough away he doesn't want to make the round trip). Colorado recently had several large wildfires so a campfire restriction was in place. Thanks to the heavy rains of late, that restriction has been lifted and he wants us to tell the campers at Spectacle Lake. We tell him we will pass on the news.
Wayne finds the few campers and spreads the word. I wonder how people didn't believe him and stuck with their plans of making smores over the Coleman stove.
By the time we get to Chama, NM it's around 7:00. Chama is a bit of an armpit, but we're so tired we're willing to find a place in town.
Twin River Trailer Park is where we decide to lay our heads tonight.
But not until we wolf down another big pot of Alex's Taco Soup. It's the dinner of elite athletes and adventure riders.
251 miles, 7:19 hours moving time
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Chama, NM to Cuba, NM
Sit up for one second and He Who Covets Pillows slides right on in.
A picnic table at a camp site is a bonus; a covered one is a luxury.
I think Twin Rivers refers to Rio Chama (a major tributary of Rio Grande), and Rio Chamita (a tributary of Rio Chama) since the RV park is sandwiched between the two. Rio Chamita has been in the EPA's crosshairs for high levels of phosphorous, ammonia and fecal coliform. Thankfully for the tourist-dependent Chama, people come to ride the historic steam-driven train and not frolic in their waters.
While we're waiting to get through a stretch of road construction, Alex the Dog Whispering Biscuit Peddler once again demonstrates why the bitches love him.
The first thing I notice about New Mexico's dirt roads is that someone siphoned off all the funds earmarked for their maintenance. If you like it rough, make this your next vacation destination.
This is the rocky section we'd been anticipating. There isn't much for me to do but keep the gas steady and try not to fight the bike. If you watch the video you can see Wayne's DRZ jerking around; having Simon attached to him must've made the ride a lot harder. Simon is pretty good about sitting still, but when he starts shifting around his weight becomes even more noticeable.
Alex is stopped on the hill waiting for his clutch to cool down. The space between him and the tree would be ample if it weren't for all the bouncing around. As I approach him he very wisely pulls in his leg.
With the rocks behind us, we take a breather at the top.
Hey, I guess not all of New Mexico's dirt roads have gone to seed.
The grasshoppers are thick in parts. Whoever's in the lead scares them up so they pelt the person behind. This video doesn't do it justice, but you get the idea (probably most obvious at around 40 seconds).
Not unlike the grasshoppers, the cows sometimes get spooked and take off. This one jukes a few times but can't seem to shake the large thing behind it.
When we get to the pavement we wait to regroup with Alex. So how does Simon spend his moment of freedom?...
...He finds a soft cow patty and grinds himself into it. Arrrrgh! Simon is angling to be the only dog in all of northern New Mexico to be put on a leash.
We noticed there were no gas waypoints for Vallecitos, but we're hoping we might find a place for lunch. Man, I do hereby apologize to Chama for calling it an armpit. Vallecitos is the true axilla of New Mexico, if not the unwashed perineum.
With no other town nearby, we stop and dig through our bags for a suitable lunch. We also take this opportunity to evaluate an upcoming section, which has several waypoints for steep rocky hills. Seeing how Alex's clutch took a beating on the hill this morning, we decide to do a reroute.
Although we don't know the quality of the roads on the reroute, we do know they're at least not dotted lines in the DeLorme Atlas. The roads also stay close to the Continental Divide (cross it even?) so we stay true to the journey. Simon is interested in helping; Lola less so.
We stop in Abiquiu to get gas and food for dinner. Always on the lookout for our daily ice cream fix, The Frosty Cow is a beautiful site. It should also be the backdrop for Wes Anderson's (the color-obsessed director) next movie.
Lola thinks keeping ice cream just out of Simon's reach is as funny as I do.
After Abiquiu we're on pavement until we hit County Road 217, where our reroute begins.
And are we ever pleased to encounter a Ural friendly surface!
At a T in the road we check to make sure we're turning onto Forest Road 103. There was some snafu while loading my tracks so I don't have them I'm relying on the boys to lead the way.
Teakettle rock looks like it was dropped there from outer space. There are no other rock formations in the area (at least that we could see).
I can no longer accuse New Mexico of having bad roads this is some serious high-speed hardpack. Bonus: None of that gravel that I deeply despise.
With the sun getting low, we find a camping spot near an overlook. It looks like a peaceful meal, and it is if you don't include Wayne's brain spinning a mile a minute. A few days ago he got an email from a major retailer thanking him for taking a survey he didn't take. As I was pitching the tent he checked his voicemail and learned that someone tried opening a credit card account in his name. He talked to his current credit card company and someone tried charging $550 at Bloomingdales.com and $2500 at Sears.com on his card (the charges were not approved). Having someone trying to steal your identity while you're on vacation and in the middle of nowhere is a huge buzz kill.
I look out and see a sunset. Wayne looks out and sees a world where somebody is running around trying to pretend he's him. Simon is thinking about the same thing he thinks about 24/7.
178 miles, 5:58 hours moving time
Joined: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 78
Cuba, NM to Pie Town, NM
Rise and shine, campers!
Wayne is a man on a mission: Get decent cell coverage so he can call the credit bureaus and regain control of his purloined identity.
After wolfing down a fast food breakfast, Wayne wanders off to a quiet spot (which didn't really look all that quiet) to make his phone calls to the major credit bureaus to inform them that not all people are honest. The first one he calls says they'll alert the other two agencies which is good since that one call takes about 20 minutes.
Oh, to have a job where you get to work with dogs and people who can't talk back.
A guy who's familiar with New Mexico sheds some light on the areas we're about to travel. Nothing ahead of us sounds problematic.
Into the wide open high desert we go. We are extremely lucky that the temps are in the 80s. Early on in the trip we were wondering if the New Mexico portion would have to be abandoned due to excessive heat. Both dogs are senior citizens but they still have the constitution for adventure as long as it doesn't include seizure-inducing heat.
The monsoonal weather has created the occasional small pond that needs to be skirted. The ranchers have done their share of skirting so it's not hard to find their tracks to follow.
We must be crossing through mostly private property since there are a lot of gates we have to open and close.
Amazingly, this Western Diamondback is the only snake we've seen on the entire trip. We frequently see rattlers when we mountain bike in San Diego so their paucity across so many miles of prime snake territory is surprising.
This part of New Mexico is full of arroyos. A heavy afternoon storm could easily halt forward progress if one arroyo isn't rendered impassable, there are many others ready to step up.
While it's not hot by desert standards, it's still hot, especially when you're not moving. We find the only shade for miles around under these mesquite trees. Apparently the cows also like this place since it's littered with patties. The warm, humid smell has a way of dulling one's palate.
After we get gas in Grant we have about 60 miles of pavement to cover before returning to dirt.
As Alex takes off down the road I think he gives us the universal sign for "See you stiffs in Pie Town!"
Pie Town gets its name from a 1920s bakery that made dried-apple pies (unless the internet lied to me). There are two pie joints in town and the one we head to this afternoon is Pie-O-Neer (we plan to have breakfast at the other one tomorrow).
We squeak into Pie-O-Neer just before they close. This is important because Alex is a pie freak and if he could do one thing in life it would be to write a coffee table book about motorcycling and pies. Had they been closed, that picnic table would've been overturned and a few windows would've been smashed. The pie selection was light since it was the end of the day, but Alex still got ahold of two solid slices.
Our night's accommodations are at the Toaster House, so named for the toasters that festoon the entrance. It's a place where Continental Divide bicyclists, hikers, motorcyclists, etc. can stay for free. The owner, Nita, lives in another house not too far from this one. Unless I completely misheard the story, I think the first toaster that appeared had something to do with a long-ago divorce whereby a toaster was unceremoniously returned by being hung on the gate.
The kitchen is stocked with food and cooking utensils.
I pull a frozen pizza from the refrigerator out on the back porch but I couldn't figure out how to work the stove. Where are the knobs? Say what?! A wood burning stove? Absolutely barbaric. Thankfully, the pizza isn't full sized so it fits in the toaster oven.
There were several bedrooms (complete with mattresses and bedding), including a sizeable loft above the kitchen.
Funky stuff could be found throughout the property, including this gem. Simon wants to make a call to the SPCA about his sub-par travelling conditions but he doesn't have pockets to carry the coins needed for the call.
If you're doing the Divide, you should spend a night at the Toaster House (34.300315,-108.138573). Donations keep the house up and running.
202 miles, 5:36 hours moving time
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The August update for Internet Explorer includes updates to the WebGL and F12 features, in addition to the latest security updates.
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This update provides substantial improvements to the F12 developer tools – The user interface, console, DOM explorer, debugger, emulation tool, UI responsiveness and memory profiling tools all have new features and bug fixes.
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The software giant said it earned $3.48 billion, or 35 cents a share, on revenue of $10.81 billion, for the three months ended Sept. 30. That compares with earnings of $3.14 billion, or 29 cents a share, on revenue of $9.74 billion for the same quarter a year ago. The year-ago earnings figure included legal expenses that amounted to 2 cents a share.
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Microsoft said earnings and sales were boosted by strong responses to the products that Microsoft has launched in recent months, including the Xbox 360 and SQL Server.
"We've had a really nice start to fiscal year 2007," Colleen Healy, Microsoft's general manager of investor relations, said in an interview. "Our businesses that had big product launches over the past 12 months were really the driver."
Microsoft saw gains in all of its business units except its online services unit, which saw its quarterly revenue dip to $539 million from $564 million a year earlier. It had a quarterly loss of $136 million, compared with a $68 million profit in the same quarter a year ago.
Sales in the unit that includes desktop versions of Windows climbed to $3.3 billion from $3.16 billion a year ago, while operating income rose to $2.64 billion compared with $2.57 billion a year ago. Microsoft's server software unit saw sales hit nearly $2.5 billion, up from $2.13 billion a year ago, while operating income was $827 million, up from $608 million a year ago.
The Microsoft Business Division, which includes Office, saw its sales climb to $3.43 billion from $3.28 billion, as operating income reached $2.25 billion, up slightly from the $2.24 billion recorded in the year-ago quarter. Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices unit saw sales hit $1.03 billion, up from $606 million, while the unit's operating loss narrowed to $96 million, down from $103 million a year earlier.
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"The teams continue to feel they are on track," Healy said. "We're monitoring feedback from our partners and beta testers closely."
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- Xbox , and...
- MS's press release states "Entertainment and Devices Division revenue growth of 70% over the prior year was driven by demand for Xbox 360" consoles, software, peripherals, and Xbox Live®. Xbox 360 has sold 6 million consoles worldwide life to date..."
Not bad, for the folks who will soon be bringing us the Zune.:-)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/oct06/10-26Q1FY07ERPR.mspx
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- Wow
- if you read these forms on a regular basis you would think the whole world hated MS and they would be sinking very fast.
Good thing for MS this communist IT news site with its crazed Firefox/Mac/Linux/AMD fangirls are the minority:):)
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- Here here
- I agree completely. The noisome MS haters on this site go beyond "religious". Well said !! ;)
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- Google is catching up
- Google recently overtook IBM for most valuable company. It is now positioned at no3 and will most likely overtake Cisco in no2 soon.
So it will be Microsoft then Google.
I can't wait for Google to overtake Microsoft. Microsoft has a commanding lead currently, but Google innovation will make sure that it will happen eventually.
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- What
- does google really have? A search engine, ad space, free webmail and other apps???
Google makes alot of money on its add space but its not like they sell a server OS.
They are so much precieved wealth.
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- Say again?!
- Don't mistake market valuation with real value. Google has nothing compared with IBM and MS. IBM, HP are much bigger companies then Google will ever be. They only are old and Wall Street already know them for some time. MS can only hope to became like IBM in the next 20 years.
And what is exactly Google innovating on?
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- what?
- Where exactly did you get that info?
Here's Forbes list of The World's 2000 Largest Public Companies
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/18/06f2k_The-Forbes-2000_Rank.html
Microsoft is ranked 55 and IBM is ranked 22nd.
Google isn't even listed in the Top 100.
Google, while providing a great search engine, really provides nothing more than Ad space and free software. The bubble will burst soon enough when people realize they have nothing more to offer.
What exactly has Google innovated?
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- ...to no. 2, getting farer from no. 1.
- If you can't wait for Google to overtake Microsoft, then let me tell you you'll much probably be well dead like me before that ever possibily happens. Microsoft has a huge commanding lead currently and earnin reports like these say it will continue to be so for a long long time.
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- Piracy is really hurting Microsoft.... Ha Ha Ha
- Microsoft is always whining that priacy is destroying their company.
The earning show that the chief thief is really out of touch with reality.
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- Logic?
- Your critical thinking skills need a bit of brushing up.
Because MS topped earnings forcasts and continues to make lots of money shows absolutely nothing about whether or not piracy is lowering their bottom line.
I'm not saying piracy does or doesn't affect their bottom line, but I am saying you should stop and think before you post.
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- hmm
- How much have they sunk into XBOX? Far more then any earnings gained thus far.
As for profits, does it matter? They still can't innovate, can't release secure products, or even treat their paying customers with respect.
MS is still irrelevant and their best days are far, far behind them.
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I do appreciate that you see the practical sorrow in it, as a great number of people in this thread, particularly those who are interested in logging in just to smash things and log out, lack interest in the long-term amusement and diversity. "That stuff is unnecessary to kill with and therefore should be removed." Much like how in real life my ability to build a vehicle or forage water is not as important as my ability to stab a bitch in the eye with a chisel. "But it is just a game, that non-combat stuff is stupid," right? *sigh* Oh, people.
As I said, 8 skills are perfectly functional for gameplay and will not inhibit anyone - as is multi-classing. It will absolutely not break the game. But it will prevent players like me, who enjoy becoming skillfully competent enough that their name gains renown for prowess, from achieving that. After all, there will be nothing to define oneself with. Due to the min/max nature of gaming these days, giving everyone access to everything is mortifying because competitive players habitually gravitate toward playing the flavor of the month build. It is logical - psychology dictates that humans pick the most efficient and least resistant path almost always (Zipf 1949). You, as a certainly unique individual, may resist doing so, but most will not. I would anticipate it being fairly common for a player's eight button choices to match up with the person's running toward them, and there being little more to discriminate oneself with other than above average movement and perhaps intelligent use of the environment. That does not discriminate a player as excellent, just slightly more aware. People will not even take note of it.
I would rather have twenty button choices with which to combat a mirror - there is a significantly higher chance of me winning due to better reaction times, knowledge of button placement, reduced RNG, deeper understanding of situational spell tactic use, nifty tricks with skills that people of which may be ignorant, etc. Of course, the next step would be for me to argue for being locked into a class, but that would be off-topic and I hate to sway away from the topic at hand.
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Originally posted by Morclave
I think you're shooting down this system before you've even played it. What makes you think that having 20 button choices would be any different to having 5? or 8? or 50? People will min-max regardless of button allocation and the same scenario you describe where you say it would be "fairly common for a player's eight button choices to match up with the person's running toward them" will also happen even if there were 20 buttons or 30 buttons. It really doesn't matter.
Yes, the bad thing about the skill system is that there are mandatory button allocations and these will force people to pick classes that have the best button allocation for a certain scenario. But you can't really sit there and say adding more buttons would fix that problem.
This is not a game.
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Originally posted by vorpal28
LAS has nothing to do with skill sir.
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Originally posted by Zeroxin
I could easily present the counterargument that those approaching this system positively are making an erroneously optimistic judgment about the system before they, too, have ever played it. We only have what information they have given us and a humble request not to compare it to Guild Wars 2 (acknowledgement of informational similarity). I place a lot of hope in this new system, but there are logistical concerns based on Guild Wars 2's new system, which closely resembles all of the information SOE has released thus far. Voicing them are not a sin, nor is pretending that they do not exist, but pretending things are grand lacks the potential to be beneficial. I would strongly prefer that SOE come out and acknowledge the concerns, rather than go "well, we can do whatever we want everyone clearly loves whatever ideas we shit out." After all, I am the consumer. You may be, too.
But since you asked why I, personally, think it would be better to have more skills - even though I offer an example of this in my original post, which I request kindly that you read - I will gladly try to give you an additional reason. The original post is quoted just above, feel free to tinker with it at your leisure. I have a history of prowess within MMORPGs, notably in regards PvP. This changed for the first time when I played Guild Wars 2 and realized that I was just as effective not bothering to watch my opponent's attacks and focus on my own cooldowns and movements. Frankly, I was still grand, probably due to years of quick reacting - I topped the charts in every BG that I entered and was more than apt to handle 1v3s (I played an Engineer). When I handled a 1v3 on WoW, DAoC, or Tera, I always felt rather accomplished and proud of myself. In GW2 I did not, I felt like I mashed buttons better than they did and got lucky with motion. I fear that will spill over in EQN, and leave me unhappy - "selfish," I'm sure. But if I did not want something I enjoyed, I would not have looked so forward to EQN for the past four years, I would have sat on GW2 and said "it'll never be as good as this." I never had any clever tricks to pull, no brilliant spell reflections, no trinkets or gadgets that lined up perfectly. Frankly, I gave not a single fuck what skills my enemy was using because they largely all looked the same and did not really matter - my face-roll and move effectively strategy reigned supreme. I dueled, I battlegrounded, I even did ranked things from time to time. It was not slow paced and thought provoking or strategic, it was a rush of quick shooting and rolling around. May the best button masher and running win. I disliked that, a lot.
If you think that is great gameplay, I wholly support your right to an opinion. However, I respectfully disagree and think a small skill-set is overly limiting by comparison. I linked a favorite old video from earlier WoW, which demonstrates the power in having a large arsenal with which to handle everything uniquely at your fingertips (though, I feel the need to put forth the argument that as WoW progressed and more buttons were added, they reduced it to many fewer in an actual rotation, resulting in the skill-less button mashing seen today). With eight buttons, that video would not have been nearly as amusing and he would have more than likely perished numerous times, as would I were I in his shoes. Ultimately it boils down to having fewer ways to be good and fewer ways to make mistakes, placing great players and horrendous players on a relatively small disparity of skill. That, specifically, is what bothers me.
This is not about the ability to strike the one key when "1" pops up on screen. I have trained cats to do that. This is about hitting the "1" button when it would be intelligent to in the fight. Giving idiot Joe a multiple choice test where he has 8 choices versus giving him one with 20 enables him a significantly higher chance of hitting the right button because his finger is too fat for his keyboard than because he is intelligent and chose it because the guy in front was casting Ice Blast and he wanted to Spell Reflect it.
Onwards. Players will always min/max, I am not presenting an argument that that is a bad thing. After all, I certainly do it, but within the confines and restrictions that I am given. The problem that I have with it is more related to multi-classing than it is to the skill-set, hence why I drop off my argument there and use it primarily as an example. Naturally, if everyone can switch to the skillset that is optimal at the time, people will. EQN allows that, and it makes me not look forward to the 80,000 teleporting Ranger war that is to come. The reason I use this example is to relate to my above paragraph, in which more skills allow discrepancy between the better teleporting Ranger due to a higher level of being error-prone and a higher level of reactionary eloquence.
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Originally posted by jesusjuice69
It does have to do with decision making skill sir. Hence I like these kind of skill system, the more limited it is, the more challenging of the type of skill combo you'd like to perform.
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After playing GW2 no its just not enough. Its spammy it by default dislikes stealth tactics and ranged tactics in favor of zergs and AOE spams. Everyone will end up being some DPS warrior mage with some kind of dps spam. Even if by some act of god they (unlike GW2) make their healing and debuff skills actually useful your reactive3 abilities will still be overwhelmed by the circular AOE melee zerg barreling at you. Also it makes 3 demensional boards useless since for the most part people end up being a roaming mob.
Have no mistake as well they will most likely section off skills into homogenized groups so you will have far fewer choices than you think. They probably are doing it because its easy for little kids to learn, makes their job easier, but most people interested in pvp or good combat, hate it.
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Our experiences in GW2 couldn't be further from different. I would COMPLETELY agree that any fight with more than 3 people on each side *can* get into a spam-fest depending upon the class, more often than not that wasn't the case at all.
You are right, you can do mediocre and get wins just mashing buttons and having a decent class to fall back on. Guardian or Bunker Engineers prove this quite well, to contrast this, though, when you meet someone that is very skilled and knows their opponents you know it. It's shockingly painful and, imo, quite gratifying knowing that this level of depth exists.
I do agree that I'm being optimistic when I hope that they make the classes and abilities good enough to make it a meaningful and challenging decision. I'm confident that with their experience they can do this. Will there be cookie-cutter builds? Of course! As long as those aren't the only viable builds than I really don't care. IMO there are FAR more opportunities with a limited 8-power system than there are with no limits. With no limits you really are stuck with just your talents/gear and cookie-cutter has so much more meaning because EVERY "Thief" is the same, every "Cleric" is the same, every "Warrior" is the same, but if I have 50-60 abilities to choose from and they are all viable and competitive then the fun really begins!
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Originally posted by frizzlepickle
Well, to be fair, unless they change something, EQ1 you had 8 spell gems, then you had you numbered skill pad for emotes, kicks, attack, taunt and such, and in EQN you had 4 slots for class skills as a caster, and then 4 slots for a weapon....So potentially, you have from their demo probably the energy or whatever they use to cast damage, 2 damage spells, 1 defense and 1 misc/situational spell....Even if you could support it, say 3 damage spells, if you would be allowed, the system is still a little vague on how much you can customize.
So if you were a dps caster you have probably 2 spells for damage, and then 4 weapon skills....The million dollar question is, say as a wizard, if you wield a staff, how many of these weapon skills will actually be melee attacks/blocks, and will their be any offensive or defensive spells tied to your melee weapon that you can channel as a caster. If they don't have a attack that is like a 'free' ability that can be used while you wait for mana or stamina or whatever will be the commodity they use, and you actually have to melee to be effective, that is crap imo. I do not play a offensive dps caster to be melee.
So I see if you are pessimistic you have 2 offensive abilities without having to melee, and if you think everything will be grand, you will have probably 5-6, with the other 2-3 being situational defense or movement. I hope for the grand, as 2 offensive skills, and me actually having to stand in melee range as a wizard if I was playing one is not appealing...I would just make a melee class of some type if I have to melee to max out my dps.
So yes, EQ had 8 spell gems, but they also had abilities not tied to the spell gems, and you had access to picking all 8, now you can pick 4 (and it seems to have limitations), and then a weapon that gives you a fixed 4. If they just had 8, and got rid of this 4 abilities tied to a weapon, I think people would be more open it...I think it is here to stay though, and it comes down to how they make these weapon skills change for classes....Does a wizard with a staff have the same weapon abilities as a warrior, meaning probably that it becomes my pessimistic view of abilities, and not the grand.
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In general I hated the GW2 model of weapon abilities + class abilities. In specific I believe that my dislike was largely based on the weapon abilities not having much synergy with each other and with my class abilities. Because I believe my dislike was based on a specific problem I have some hope that EQN can resolve the problem by carefully planning their weapon abilities to synergize with each other well. That being said I also want to feel like I need to choose between abilities and not just spam out a rotation over and over. They talked about the League of Legends model a bit in the classes panel and I'm kind of hoping we get a modifiable 8 button LoL feeling to our weapon and class abilities. Being required to make strategic choices based off of quick analysis of the situation and making it feel like those strategic decisions made a difference could make the difference between an epic 8 button adventure and a tired old rotation at the end of which mobs are dead.
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The Secret World has 8 skills w/ 8 passives, I didn't hear anybody complaining how it was made for console. Can you drama queens pull your skirts down and stop this? Worst, worst WORST community ever. You people are fucking miserable, yet you refuse to go play whatever old game with 30 skills on the screen and macros that makes you happy.
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Originally posted by ego13
I agree as well, you are being quite optimistic. You see, it is the difference of perspective on a gaming company who has destroyed numerous titles, without notable redemption, arguing "Well, they have lots of mistakes to learn from and will do well!" or "Well, they have made lots of mistakes and are likely to continue making them (unless better advised)." You are the former, and I the latter. I am a realist to the bitter end and will always look to the past for the future. As Marx showed, history often repeats itself.
If my posts are too long to read, I request that individuals do not respond to them. If they are too complex or contrary to receive as anything other than "I respect other opinions, but think it would be wise to consider X or Y," I request that individuals do not oversimplify them, especially incorrectly. Though, I will politely acknowledge that it may be partially my fault due to wording. I, at no point, allude to my 'ways' being "better than everyone else's." I do, however, produce the argument that fewer buttons reduce variance between competence. It reduces the margin of error significantly, if not exponentially based on how competent fingers are, and increases margin of success for the erroneous. But my argument was ignored and seemingly lumped into some strange take on elitism.
In closing and regards to GW2. It should not surprise you that depth exists within GW2's combat system. Rather, it should be glaringly obvious and punch you in the fucking nose. The fact that it is subtle and does not is my exactly problem with it, because it really should be readily apparent. One should not be able to effectively top the chart with face-rolling and good movement (sidenote: Engineers were regarded as one of the worst classes, it is fun to hear you say that they were decent. I played a potion and bleed build post-nerf and was highly successful). One should have to be relatively competent and skillful with their chosen class to flourish, which is most peoples' chief complaint with modern day WoW, and a number of other MMOs on the market. This supposed depth that is elusive to so many people is exactly what worries me about EQN's forthcoming combat system, and is a valid concern. That is not to say that it is definitively how it is going to be, but it is important that it is vocalized to reduce irrational hype based on contrary evidence. Thus far it sounds a lot like Guild Wars 2 with exuberant amounts of AoE, meaning I may not even have to look at my screen to know that I am making contact with the enemy. I am certain plenty of people love that aspect and imagine that it will be like God of War - but I have reason to doubt it.
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Originally posted by FlyByKnight
I can't stand how TSW was made originally for consoles.
GW1 had only 8 skills and had more tactical combat than most MMOs can even dream of, not to mention the best PvP around.
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Originally posted by Xthos
Making it for consoles is still no excuse to blame it on since you can have way more skills than 8 even if you designed it based on gamepad. Final Fantasy XIV for example can have up to 32 active skills slotted on gamepad. The new Devil May Cry has 51 total active skills (actually way more if you count the none weapon skills) and no hotbar required to do any of them. http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2013/01/15/dmc-devil-may-cry-move-list.htm#rebellion
Are you gonna use the console excuse for GW2 and Neverwinter too?
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Originally posted by tkreep
I really think you are responding to a sarcastic post...look at what he was responding to...
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GW2 combat was too simplified for my liking. It seemed to copy from Moba games. Well fights in Moba games last a few seconds while many encounters in a MMO last minutes. This combat just didn't work for a lot of poeple. Fire off your skills then watch CD. It was boring. My class was very restrictive and often only had one way of dealing with the tougher mobs. My CD'were long and I was often just autoattacking.
I am hoping EQNext will be more like GW1 than GW2.
Even if it was going to be a lot like GW2
Adding both block and dodge skills could make it more complex
Furthermore you could have non-hotbar buffs to tinker with.
They haven't really revealed much but I can see many ways for this to work better than GW2.
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Originally posted by jesusjuice69
it has everything to do with skill... You're limited in your choice of skills thus you have less options to choose from when in combat so in order to get the most out of your skills you have to learn how to combine spells in different situations.
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Originally posted by vorpal28
Go play EQ1 and tell me about the "limited choices you have" My necro has about 4 hot bars full of abilities.
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Skyrim which has one of the most enjoyable combat, doesnt have skill bars at all just some power attacks when u hold down left mouse button,but every simple swing has a meaning depending on timing, positioning,reaction on enemy movement etc. Yes skyrim is action combat style ofc while the casual mmo's out there use auto attacks and player use some skills to break the routine ,allright.
Even so though if devs decide to make the combat look like lets say a nice horography of attacks parries,blocks,special animations that occur on hit,even auto-attacks could have a whole differrent meaning as u watch the combat goes on and with addition of just a few skills (an 8 skill bar) it could work even more better. Allthough i dont know if that be the case with EQ Next ,dont know what they did so far with combat and how they plan to have it on launch day.
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Originally posted by tazarconan
Combat is the worst part of skyrim.


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