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Holly Kupka Cimino '80 fell in love with the Italian culture her junior year studying abroad in Florence, Italy. She recently formed her own business, Cimino Tours, which specializes in tours specifically to Cinque Terre, Italy. Visit her Cimino Tours Facebook page or her website Ciminotours.com.
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Malia Wasson '81 has joined Columbia Sportswear's board of directors, effective March 19, 2015. Wasson served as the president of Oregon and Southwest Washington for the US Bank from 2005 to 2015, capping a banking industry career that spanned 33 years. As the president of US Bank, Wasson served as the senior executive in the region and led the US Bank Board in Portland. She also led the Oregon Commercial Banking group for U.S. Bank, which provides a wide variety of financial services to middle market companies. Prior to joining US Bank in 1989, Malia held various commercial lending positions with the former Oregon Bank and Security Pacific Bank of Oregon, according to a statement released by the company.
Wasson is a member of the board of directors of Northwest Natural Gas Company and serves as a board member of several civic organizations including Oregon Business Council, OHSU Foundation and OHSU Knight Cancer Institute, and American Leadership Forum, among others. A lifelong Oregonian, Wasson holds Bachelor of Science and Commerce degree in finance from Santa Clara University.
Columbia Sportswear Company markets lifestyle apparel, footwear, accessories, and equipment through a portfolio of brands for active lives.
Rob Thomas '81 has earned the title 2015 Santa Claran of the Year by the Alumni Association's Los Angeles chapter for his dedication to Catholic school education and for putting Santa Clara values into action every day. Thomas is the vice principal for Student Life at Notre Dame High School, in Sherman Oaks, California. He has been at the school for more than 30 years.
Joe McNab '81 has earned the title 2015 Santa Claran of the Year by the Alumni Association's Los Angeles chapter for his dedication to Catholic school education and for putting Santa Clara values into action every day. McNab is the head track and field coach, and assistant football coach, at Notre Dame High School, in Sherman Oaks, California. He has also taught physical education, history, and religion there. The South San Francisco native has been at the school for more than 30 years.
Brett Lowart '81 has earned the title 2015 Santa Claran of the Year by the Alumni Association's Los Angeles chapter for his dedication to Catholic education and for putting Santa Clara values into action every day. He has served in Catholic education since 1983, most recent as president at Notre Dame High School for the past six years. He also served as president at San Joaquin Memorial High School in Fresno (2002–2009), as VP at St. Patrick's Seminary in Menlo Park (1996–2002), and as director of development/instructor at Sacred Heart Cathedral Preparatory in San Francisco (1983–1996).
P. Gregory Giordano J.D. '81 is now a partner and the vice chairman of the Gaming Practice Group in the Las Vegas, Nevada, office of the law firm of McDonald Carano Wilson LLP. His practice is concentrated in the areas of gaming compliance, licensing, and regulation, especially regarding publicly traded gaming companies, financing, and other transactions.
Larry Murnane '82 just published the book Limitless: How to Be, Have, Do, and Accomplish Anything, a short book on living a purposeful life of accomplishment and fulfillment. It's available online at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and iBooks. Fifty percent of proceeds go to charities benefiting underprivileged children. Larry lives in Coronado, California.
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Dr. Steven Ashby '82 has been appointed as the laboratory director for Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Washington. PNNL is managed by Battelle for the U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Science. It has an annual budget of $1B and employs 4,300 staff who perform research in fundamental science, energy, environment, and national security.
James P. Cramer '83, J.D. '87 has been appointed a judgeship in the Alameda County Superior Court. The appointment was made by Gov. Jerry Brown '59. Cramer, 55, of Piedmont, has served as an assistant public defender at the Alameda County Public Defender's Office since 2004. He served as supervising legal research attorney at the Alameda County Superior Court from 2000 to 2004 and was general counsel and project manager at McGuire and Hester from 1996 to 2000. Cramer was an attorney at Cramer and Cramer (Robert '48 and Michael '78) from 1992 to 1996, after working as an associate in law firms between 1989 and 1992 and as a deputy district attorney at the Alameda County District Attorney's office from 1987 to 1989.
Michael C. Wehr '85 was promoted to the rank of major general by the the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers at a ceremony in January. Last September, Wehr received his second star at his alma mater, where his career began in the ROTC program.
"It feels great to come back to the place and people who shaped me at an early age for the career that led to this day," he said. His parents, Art and Margaret Wehr, had the honor of participating in the ceremony, while his Santa Clara sweetheart, Deborah Kalisz Wehr '84, stood by his side.
Responding humbly, Wehr said, "It takes a lot of little things to make something big happen. It's a real honor to celebrate this moment here at Santa Clara. It is a gift to get to lead. It's about living, learning, loving, and leaving a legacy—carrying a torch, but thanking those who handed it to me and those who will receive it. "Wehr also recognized the incredible importance of mentoring, specifically thanking his Santa Clara ROTC professor of military science, Lieutenant Colonel (Retired) Robert E. Camors.
Laura Rafaty '79, J.D. '85 is the founder and artistic director of NapaShakes (www.napashakes.org), a nonprofit bringing world-class professional Shakespeare to the Napa Valley. She continues her law practice (www.nvilaw.com) in St. Helena, California, specializing in immigration law, including work visas for extraordinary culinary, winemaking, and performing artists. A national award winning writer, her work can be found at www.laurarafaty.com.
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Chuck Miller '85, J.D. '88 is business development nanager for American Pacific Mortgage in Walnut Creek. He is also the JV basketball coach at De La Salle High School in Concord. Chuck is currently serving on the SCU National Alumni Board as well as on the committee for the Class of '85 Grand Reunion coming up this fall. He is encouraging all his classmates to come to the reunion and looks forward to seeing them all there. Chuck is proud of his daughter, Samantha, who is attending George Washington University and his son, Charlie, who is a freshman at De La Salle High School. Chuck lives in Pleasant Hill.
Rev. Dr. Laura (Boltz) Holck '85 has been called to served as senior pastor at Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Cross in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. She shares the position with her spouse, Rev. Dr. Philip Holck.
Charlotte Hart '85 got married in January of 2014, and in September moved back to hometown Long Beach, California after 10 years in Scottsdale, Arizona. With three kids in college now, she and her new husband, Marshall Waller, live together and no longer comute 800 miles a week! When not working on their home remodel or charitable caues, Charlotte consults part-time as a marketing strategist specializing in business development. As the reunion nears, she is exhorting classmates and all alumni to bolster SCU's endowment. Examining her alma mater's giving statistics compared to the colleges her kids were accepted to (comprable size schools) was eye-opening, so she joined the reunion committee to spread the word!
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Todd Goolkasian '85 writes, "Maureen Goolkasian '85 and I are looking forward to seeing everyone at the 30th reunion!"
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Thomas H. Smolich, S.J., M.Div. '86 will become the international director of Jesuit Refugee Service (JRS) in Rome on November 1, 2015. Prior to this assignment, he had been president of the Jesuit Conference of the United States from 2006-2014.
John Savage '87 is in his 11th season as UCLA's head coach. Savage helped UCLA reach college baseball's pinnacle in 2013, as the Bruins won their first-ever NCAA baseball title. Under his guidance, UCLA has advanced to the postseason in seven of the last nine seasons, hosting four consecutive NCAA Regionals from 2010 through 2013. He is currently the third longest-tenured head coach in UCLA baseball program history. UCLA has gone 349-254-1 under Savage the past 10 seasons. In seven trips to the postseason at UCLA, Savage has compiled a 32-14 record (.696 winning percentage), recording the most postseason victories of any head coach in program history. Read more of this stats on www.uclabruins.com.
Julie Mar-Spinola J.D. '87 has been appointed Chief Intellectual Property Officer at Finjan Holdings Inc., a cybersecurity technology licensing company, Ms. Mar-Spinola has served as the company's VP, Legal Operations since February 3, 2014. In this expanded role, Ms. Mar-Spinola will have additional wide-ranging responsibilities, including building Finjan's intellectual property assets, overseeing the Company's Enforcement Program, including the licensing and litigation practice groups, as well as managing public policy, including Patent Reform.
Ellen Arabian-Lee '87, J.D. '90 opened Arabian-Lee Law Corporation in Roseville, California, in April 2014.
Maj. Marcelino "Butch" Soriano '89, MBA '94, broke the record for number of hours of straight bell-ringing for the Salvation Army in Southern California, ringing the bell for 150 hours. In the end, he raised almost $10K. He set his record at 150 hours in celebration of the Salvation Army's 150 years in existence and its 124th annual Red Kettle Campaign, during which bell-ringers seek donations outside stores throughout the holiday season.
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New MacBook Pro is the 'Least-Repairable' Notebook Ever: iFixit
Because of glue, and impossibility of upgrading RAM and storage, DYI repair company gives new notebook worst-possible fix-it score.
iFixit, a popular electronics do-it-yourself website, today gave the new MacBook Pro with the Retina display its worst-possible repair score of just 1 out of a possible 10.
"This is, to date, the least-repairable laptop we've taken apart," said Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit, in an email today. "Apple has packed all the things we hate into one beautiful little package."
Apple on Monday introduced the new MacBook Pro, whose distinguishing feature is the high-resolution display that the company labeled "Retin," -- its marketing name for the pixel-packed screens also found in its iPhone and iPad lines.
The MacBook Pro was the first Apple laptop to feature the Retina display.
Although the notebook is in extremely short supply, iFixit managed to grab one. They disassembled the system to determine whether it could be repaired or upgraded by owners.
"Laptops are expensive. It's critical that consumers have the option to repair things that go wrong, as well as upgrade their own hardware to keep it relevant as new technologies roll out," said Wiens.
But that's not feasible here.
"The new MacBook Pro is virtually non-upgradeable -- making it the first MacBook Pro that will be unable to adapt to future advances in memory and storage technology," said Wiens.
The teardown revealed that Apple used many of the same assembly techniques as it does with the self-contained and virtually un-upgradable MacBook Air, including proprietary screws, copious amounts of glue, expensive parts -- the screen in particular -- that must be completely replaced even after the smallest failure and fused components that will likely break when a neighbouring part must be removed.
As Wiens noted, the new MacBook Pro really can't be upgraded after purchase.
As in the MacBook Air, the laptop's memory is soldered to the logic board, eliminating any later RAM upgrade. Customers must order the Pro with exact amount of memory they desire, and pay Apple's high prices.
Although the MacBook Pro with Retina display comes equipped with 8GB of RAM standard, boosting that to 16GB at the time of purchase adds another $200 to the already=steep $2,199 sticker price of the base model.
At Crucial .com, a popular source for notebook memory upgrades, 8GB of additional RAM for a 15-in. MacBook Pro that doesn't feature the Retina display costs just $87.
Nor can the solid-state drive (SSD) be swapped out for something larger, at least not currently.
"The proprietary SSD isn't upgradeable either, yet, as it is similar but not identical to the one in the [MacBook] Air," said Wiens.
That means that current third-party replacements for the SSD in the MacBook Air won't work in the Pro. User will have to wait until suppliers offer Pro-compatible SSD alternatives.
McAfee is Now Intel Security: Gavin Struthers
McAfee is officially Intel Security - a business unit of Intel from 01 July 2015 onwards, says Gavin Struthers, president, Asia Pacific, Intel Security.
HDFC Bank launches WatchBanking App on Apple Watch
The bank has launched this app before the release of the wearable device in the country, making it the first bank to do so for Indian customers.
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Mobile users in India can now retain their numbers while relocating to any part of the country even if they change service providers.
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This late die state piece requires careful examination to correctly record the obverse die cracks. The reverse is clashed with embossed segments and a rough die defect at the left outer edge of the C in 50C.
A highly lustrous piece with bright silver surfaces, this example has a few splashes of gold on the obverse. A few minor imperfections are entirely trivial. Although shy of the Condition Census, this example is probably in the top 20 for the variety.
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The Draped Bust Half Dollars of 1796-1797 by Jon Amato is the culmination of more than 10 years of research into the Draped Bust Small Eagle half dollar series, one of the most coveted type coins in American numismatics and one about which remarkably little has been written.
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The European Food Information Council suggests 10 tips for healthy eating:
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The Virginia General Assembly on Tuesday presented a resolution honoring the life of the late U.S. Sen. Harry F. Byrd Jr. to members of his family, but most of the state's black lawmakers declined to participate.
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The temperatures are expected to dip below freezing after midnight Sunday with a low around 29 degrees and stay at or below freezing until midmorning Monday when the high is 36 degrees, Smith said. Snow accumulation is predicted to be about an inch, matching the predicted rainfall amount.
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MN for Fletcher
We are due with our son in October and have yet to finalize his name. My husband is set on a family name for the middle name. I love his MN which is Alden, but the initials will be FAB for his name, which he isn't too crazed about, also the person he is named after wasn't the nicest man and it has been used already again in the family etc. My thoughts, who cares, it's YOUR name and YOUR son! But, I am leaving it up to him b/c it's his choice to use his name or not. Anyways, he wants to use some sort of tribute to his grandfather and uncle (same name, both passed) which is John Carl. I am not a fan of either name because they are both common and overused, I like interesting and something that no one has, but I do want to pay tribute in some way. Jack and Jax are out b/c they don't sound right with it. I also LOVE Malone as a MN which means disciple of John, so sort of an indirect tribute to his GF, but he doesn't like that it's super Irish. Ugh. I am at a loss! Help!
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Zoetis Celebrates IPO on the New York Stock Exchange
Chief Executive Officer Juan Ramón Alaix to Ring The Opening Bell
For Release: 01 Feb 13
Executives and guests of Madison, NJ-based Zoetis, a leading animal health company, will visit the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) to celebrate the company's initial public offering. Zoetis will begin trading today on the NYSE under the ticker symbol "ZTS."
In honor of the occasion, Zoetis Chief Executive Officer Juan Ramón Alaix, joined by Zoetis colleagues, will ring the NYSE Opening Bell.
About Zoetis (NYSE: ZTS)
Zoetis (zō-EH-tis) is the leading animal health company, dedicated to supporting its customers and their businesses. Building on a 60-year history as the animal health business of Pfizer, Zoetis discovers, develops, manufactures and markets veterinary vaccines and medicines, with a focus on both farm and companion animals. The company generated annual revenue of $4.2 billion in fiscal 2011. Zoetis has more than 9,500 employees and a local presence in approximately 70 countries, including 29 manufacturing facilities in 11 countries. Its products serve veterinarians, livestock producers and people who raise and care for farm and companion animals in 120 countries.
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This step-by-step article describes how you can host ActiveX controls in a Web Form of an ASP.NET page.
You can use the drag-and-drop feature of the Microsoft Visual Studio .NET toolbox in an ActiveX control. By using the drag-and-drop feature, you can add the OBJECT tag with the ClassID of the control to the underlying Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) code of the Web Form.
NOTE: ActiveX controls that you host in a Web Form are still downloaded, installed, and run on the client side. These controls cannot run on the server side, as do Web controls.
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Hosting an ActiveX control in ASP.NETIf you add a reference to the ActiveX control by using the Add Reference option, you can create an object of the control type in the code by using the Create Object method. That object runs on the server side, and you can invoke methods of the object. For example, if the return type of the method is binary data, you can write the binary data to the client. Use the BinaryWrite method of the Response objects.
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For the first time, priesthood leaders and clerks can access selected membership reports, lists, and forms from any Internet-connected device at www.LDS.org/leader and www.LDS.org/clerk.
Previously, accessing member information, requesting records, or submitting reports were tasks clerks and priesthood leaders could perform exclusively through the Member and Leader Services (MLS) software installed on the machines at their local meetinghouses.
In addition to the lds.org/leader and lds.org/clerk URLs, members in either position can go to LDS.org and sign in using their LDS Account user name and password. (Those who do not have an LDS Account can click on Sign In and register for one.) After signing in, they can click the Tools menu, followed by the Leader Resources link (for bishoprics and stake presidencies) or the Clerk Resources link (for ward and stake clerks).
The pages, available in Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish, offer several functions already; more features (and more languages) will be added in the future. Future enhancements will provide similar online tools to priesthood quorum and auxiliary leaders.
In addition, some of the same material is available to priesthood leaders and clerks from a free mobile device app, LDS Tools. Church members who are neither priesthood leaders nor clerks can also download and use the app to access data from the LDS.org local unit directory and calendar.
LDS Tools is currently available for Android and iOS devices in English; plans exist to expand to additional languages in the near future, beginning with Portuguese and Spanish. First-time users can download the app through an app store or at mobile.lds.org.


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So, I need to get my EDD paperwork approved by a medical professional (OB, Midwife, Nurse Practitioner) after the birth of my baby to get my 6 weeks of disabiity payments for maternity leave. I'm trying to decide if I should go into L&D after the birth (a few hours at least, want time to relax with the baby!) and just play the "oops, we didn't quite make it" card so that I can have someone there take care of it...and possibly the birth certificate stuff too. On the other hand, I could probably just make a same day appt to see someone at the OBGYN department (HMO, I see whoever's there) and hope that they will approve the paperwork?
I really can't afford to NOT get my payments, nor can I afford to have them start coming late so unfortunately this is a really big deal, and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information about getting paperwork approved when you birth unassisted...go figure
Any thoughts or experiences with this?
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It's possible, the birth certificate is actually not what I'm worried about, it's a pretty straightforward process here, there's a packet and everything to take to the registrars office. I can take baby in next day for a checkup with my OB's and that will provide me with the paperwork I need for the Birth Certificate. I'm more concerned about the EDD paperwork, getting my disability payments, for maternity leave. Just wondering if I HAVE to show up on the actual day of the birth at the L&D, or if I could just go in for a same day OBGYN appt with the baby the next day.
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I had an accidental unassisted UC and then was transported to the hospital via ambulance after cord was cut and the placenta was delivered there. I was scheduled to give birth there. I have a birth certificate saying that I gave birth at the hospital and they charged my insurance full freight as well.
However I was told that they only gave me birth certificate because they delivered the placenta and that they "won't document" newborns unless they participate in the birth. And the OB staff at a hosptial doesn't take appointments for outside people unless they have a private practice outside of the hospital and merely have admitting privledges, in which case it is merely a newborn visit . (I had also asked about a newborn exam because I really liked the head of the newborn unit and they said no and referred me to my ped.)
If you want them to verify your birth you probably need to make it look REALLY accidental and arrive as an emergency room via ambulance (more than $4000 for these alone with my birth) immediatly after birth.
If you don't have a relationship with the hospital and no medical cause to be there (issues with the newborn, bleeding for the mom) then they won't treat you because really, why are you there? What are they going to get paid for? Newborn exams can be done at a peds office.
BTW, I am also in CA and you must be very, very VERY careful with the disability paperwork. I had a problem with my first (and it was a hospital birth!) and I didn't get a single payment until THREE MONTHS after my birth. It was a huge hassle and it wasn't even the EDD's fault.
Good info. I should probably mention that I'm covered by Kaiser...so it's all in house. They definately know me b/c I've been getting prenatal care there and my files are readily available. I've also seen each and everyone of the midwives and OB's that work int he OBGYN dept for the hospital I get care at...not sure if that makes a difference, but I will know whoever is "on-call" when I have the baby.
I know EDD is a freaking NIGHTMARE! Just about the screwiest system ever, I have had clients with horror stories much like yours...so sorry you had to deal with that! I am going on pregnancy disability next week (38 weeks), so at least I know I'll be in the system, it's just a question of them changing me from pregnancy disability to postpartum for the 6 weeks of maternity leave.
Again, just not sure if I really need to go in to L&D after the birth (assuming there are no other reasons to seek medical care), or if I can just give my $20 copay and set up an appointment the next day so the OB/midwife can see that I've given birth and sign off on EDD.
Freaking complicated...I'm going to write a how-to after this is all done!
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I just saw this.
Are you sure it has to be a birth-related professional? After my 2yo was born, I went in to my regular family doctor and she signed both mine and my husband's paperwork for leave. You might call and ask...
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49th ANNUAL MEETING WAS HELD APRIL 2, 2015
The 49th annual meeting was observed by the directors of the Salem Community Foundation, a public charitable trust, when they met at the Salem Community Center on April 2nd. The election of officers, review of the Salem Community Foundation's financial statements and distribution of the 2014 annual report took place at the meeting.
The Salem Community Foundation and Salem Community Center are pleased to announce a $3 million facility expansion project. The construction of a 27,000-square-foot facility will be located immediately to the south of the current building. This new athletic complex, the CenterPlex, will offer competitive and recreational basketball, volleyball leagues, indoor track meets, baseball practices, and will have designated time slots available for teams to rent space for organized practices.
The free-standing building will be home to a four-lane 160-meter "spikable surface" running track that will meet the requirements set by the Ohio Association of Track and Cross Country Coaches as a qualifying facility for the indoor state track meet. In the CenterPlex will be two high school regulation sized basketball courts containing four half courts and twelve total basketball hoops. These courts may be converted to as many as four volleyball courts. The CenterPlex will also feature a drop down batting cage with "L screens" for baseball and softball practices. The multipurpose sports complex will have a lobby with viewing monitors and concession stand to be utilized by the players, coaches, officials, and spectators.
The board of directors for Salem Community Foundation recognized the growing needs of the Salem Community Center and are very excited about the expansion project. The expansion will target all ages and meet the needs of Salem area residents and for those living as far away as Cleveland and Pittsburgh.
Salem Community Center Executive Director, Heather Young, the board of directors and staff are actively planning new and expanded programs and are excited about the positive impact of these events.
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The Salem Community Foundation has worked diligently since 1966 to improve the quality of life while continuing to connect its donors with critical interests in the Salem area. Assisting donors with their philanthropic needs for the past 48 years has been a tremendous honor and privilege.
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I'm getting ready to launch a kickstarter for my company Portland Loves Pints, I submitted the logo on here awhile ago and got some great feedback so I'm returning with some collateral that will be available in some of the donation tiers.
I do a beer quote of the day and so the posters are based off some of the more popular posts I've had so far. I haven't updated the logo on these with the new and will probably tone make it a little less prominent.
The t-shirt is all about Portland, grey skies, city of roses, hops and beer. Trying to keep with a simple paper-cut out theme with all of this stuff.
Thanks for looking and any feedback you have.
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I like the look/colours youve settled on . . . and the third link. ; )
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The 4th link is pretty wild. Great stuff!
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Really dope shit man!! I love the messages. They're simple and to the point, Awesome job!
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the shirt is nice!
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Great stuff
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Hey guys thanks for the feedback, still haven't launched but working on getting all of this stuff printed. The realities of working full time and running a business are daunting.
Here is the updated logo if any of you were interested, falls a little more in line with the look and feel of the shirts:
January 12th, 2013 #9
Totally awesome! I really like them and they're VERY Portland-y!
My husband and I are both from the Portland/Mt. Hood area!
I really dig the logo! I think my husband would love the shirt too!
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I really like your design because it is seriously gritty. What are some ideas that you're entertaining for your kick starter. What was the idea behind this design. And what kind of company do you have? This would be great on a board design. Vinyl. Just really nice. Have you thought about ancillary items or furthering the use of this design for different products?
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Another good point. I think though that some people equate learning the mechanics and memorizing them to skill though.
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Some MMOs like WOW specifically, reward FPS-like mechanics as well as all the number crunching. You can't just stand there or hit /face & /follow and hit 1-9 every 5 seconds in PvP and expect to beat anyone who knows what they're doing. Without having the hand eye to move around A LOT, you hit a personal capp and no amount of gear will overcome it. As evidenced by the best arena players, gear only takes you so far. The highest level of PvP in that game requires that you do it ALL and its happening at the same speed as your average FPS.
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You played Asheron's Call where a player who was good enough could kill 3 people ganking him. I'm a bit confused by you saying no MMO has satisfied you.
Worst post I've read in a while. In Asheron's Call, a twitch skill based MMORPG released in 1999 there was a guy by the name of Og who was 50 or 60 years of age, and he made a name for himself. You can still be something you can't be in real life while still allowing real life skills to leak into the game. A player who doesn't have fast reflexes can still use other forms of skill in a skill based game, like being sneaky, or using their brain to fool around with and confuse their target.
Players who like FPS type of combat have always been attracted to MMOs, you can't really pretend that you were there first unless you played MUDs. Asheron's Call which was one of the first 3 big MMORPGs was built on twitch skill. Also, latency doesn't make a difference at all with modern lag compensation techniques, and even back in the days of Quake before lag compensation we all got by with high latency. If it's above 300 then you start to have a problem.
The idea is that someone can bring their skills as a player from another game and be decent without having to dump loads of time into its. This doesn't happen with modern MMORPGs because there's hardly any room for player skill. There's no dodging and no aiming.
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Originally posted by Rabenwolf
Lets be fair here, I know you know that there is more to it than that. What you bring up was the general design for arcade games. Think about how the arcade mentality works, coin opperated limited play sessions entirely based around quick sprints of casual play. At home however, we see less twitch based games, especially as the technology improves. You also have to remember popular analog games which still existed that are not twitch based, chess, poker, dungeons and dragons...ect we see these modes of play also in the digital sphere, even to the point of experimental MUDs, text based adventures such as Zork, or even Collasal Cave Adventure? I just dont understand the rationality of your response.
Seems like he's mostly disagreeing with the notion that "hardcore gaming has never been about twitch."
The notion is extremely flimsy logic, when you consider the fact that many non-twitch games are non-twitch specifically to be more accessible (aka less hardcore.)
I also find it a little odd that you consider Starcraft not to be twitch-based. It's not like SC was the first RTS. They knew exactly what type of game they were making. Maybe players were surprised to discover a strategy game was heavily reliant on twitch skills, but the game designers of Starcraft knew exactly how their game mechanics would be interacted with.
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Originally posted by BioNut
APB failed when they removed headshots. The same failure that Global Agenda had. When you take away the ability for a skilled kill it once again boils down to stats.
TF2 manages to be highly rewarding of skill with almost no headshots involved. The idea that headshots are the only form of skill in a FPS is sort of ridiculous -- they don't even make sense for all games.
Maybe you've already played APB and its combat does suck without headshots, but I just get sort of a "without headshots, a FPS doesn't involve skill" vibe from your post....as if headshots were the only form of "skilled kill" a player could make.
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Originally posted by Axehilt
Exactly, like I tried to explain (albiet probably poorly). Twitch is not just for shooters. There is twitch (quick) thinking too. Which is also based on your minds reaction time. You could also say that Starcraft uses physical twitch skills too because you have to be able to change your strategy on the fly (as with most competitive games).
To people that are still scratching their heads, Stop thinking twitch = halo deathmatch. Start thinking twitch = NFL running back.
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Originally posted by Axehilt
Sorry I didnt mean to imply it. TF2 does do that well but some games need headshots. APB I have not played but I played global agenda and it suffered from it.
A great shooter that has no head shots is Mass Effect 2.
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RPG's are about character development and skill. That is why I play them. I am not interested in bastardizing ( I mean, hybridizing) these play styles. I really don't understand this movement to turn RPG's into quasi FPSes.
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Originally posted by Solestran
Many of us are done with auto-targeting, it gets incredibly dull after awhile.
The games don't have to be quasi FPSs just because they don't use dice to decide the outcome of a fight. I have good hand eye coordination and I would love to use it in a persistent world.
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Games don't necessarily have to move towards an FPS style game. I can do the PvE side of a FPS-type game. However, from the PvP-side, I don't like it. (Yes, I like PvP, just not FPS PvP).
Of course, with that being said, Everquest-style auto-attack and /afk doesn't work for me either. Generally speaking, there needs to be something that keeps you occupied while at the keyboard. To some extent, I don't really like the current favored system of attack and mash buttons.
For the most part, I like re-active combat. Example: Ability A triggers Ability B or C, which in turn triggers a final ability. Heroic opportunities from EQ2 is a fine example of something I enjoy. Outside of that, the only other combat system I like is a fully active system. City of Heroes, Champions, and DDO are examples of this. It requires a little more skill than just going through a simple rotation of 4-5 buttons because deviating from that rotation drops your dps.
So argueably speaking, some MMOs are implenting some level of "skill" requirement. However, this quickly gets adjusted to better accommodate the less skilled or casual player. You know, the ones that don't have time to do research on what abilities to take, or just go "hey, that sounds ability sounds cool" and selects something that isn't necessarily a good choice.
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Originally posted by Solestran
i didn't see anybody in this thread say they wanted existing games to switch their genre.
rather that people instead of pumping out RPG after RPG into an MMO space thats already %99 RPGs to actually make massively multiplayer games of other gameplay genres.
i know its a very hard concept for many to grasp that a game could be massively multiplayer and/or set in an online virtual world without being an RPG, but you might as well get used to it cuz you'll be seeing alot more variety in the future.
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Originally posted by Axehilt
I suppose that comes down to the definition of Twitch. His argument, rather statement, was based off the earlier arcade games. We can debate whether they qualifiy as "hardcore" or not. By nature, arcades have to be casual, however as we have seen with documentaries like "The King of Kong", some people can turn anything into a hardcore event.
Following that train of thought, if even the casual can be turned into a hardcore "event", can the opposite be true. I think the OP is trying to promote this rhetoric that his definition of gaming is the end all, that instead of being subjective and assumptious, it is a type of fact. Maybe I am misreading into it, but that is the impression I am getting from this.
Games require the use of hands, often times if they are in real time they require action to be taken (through input) for a reaction to happen. This is called interactivity, and games are interactive media. Thus, one could say all games then are "twitch based". But that cant work, since the OP assumes there is a distinction.
And perhaps there is one... does the twitch input become the core mechanic, the main mode of play, or does design allow for a multifaceted mode of play? What it really comes down to is challenges. When I say challenges, I am referring not to what the average joe might think they are, but as tools that game designers use them for. Game Challenges in both analog and digital game theory have been broken down into a fairly specific science. This is how genres are created btw, they include those designer challenges.
When the OP suggests twitch based play is the only way for skill play, he must therefore assume that the only challenge in the game as designed by a developer, is reactionary through spacial awareness. What this means is that the player is the game, and not a shared experience between ruleset and player. It means the player must have complete control over the reactions on the screen in real time and that all modes of play for all players are equal, that the only difference is coming from player input and not from the game itself. This complete control, is twitch based by his definition, in the purist form. It would be no different if you were to go outside and with your body play any sport. Your limitations is the skill. Thus the computer becomes a part of your body and that is all there is to is.
Sadly I see this as simple minded play, it goes against the idea of interactive gaming, in which the rulesets that create the limitations which interact with the challenges create a type of 50 50 relationship between player and computer (game).
I cannot see Starcraft falling into that category since it isnt twitch based. It does require user input, and it is real time, but it features many different challenges found in the traditional MMO.
Anyways, I understand this isnt exactly easy to get right off the bat. Its ok if people disagree with this, just have a logical and clearly defined reason why.
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Originally posted by BioNut
Where did I say that? I said MAY lack....MAY. I did not say that ALL lack.
I agree with you regarding EVE. And that also applies to some OTHER MMOs as well.
My primary point was that games that have a teamwork mechanic, require MORE than one type of skill.
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Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Agreed. As I've said before....the rash of MMOFPS games is coming. MMOs will, one day in the near future, imo, be very diversified. I think MMORPG.com is a bit of a misnomer for this site, though. It's really more about ALL MMOs, not just that ONE sub-genre. So there are plenty of threads like this one, because there are plenty of site members who don't particularly care for MMORPGs in a traditional sense. No real problem there, other than they don't have as many games to choose from as the RPG style crowd. Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by BioNut
I think I get the spirit of your post and that is what attracted me to Guild Wars and gives me a great deal of hope for Guild Wars 2, despire the horrible support that NCSoft devotes to its products. Guild Wars is a game where you hit level cap fairly early and you have to choose what 8 skills you are going to use within explorable areas and arenas. Also, weapons and armour that are at 'max level' are fairly easy to get and when it comes down to brass tacks you're really looking for the skin you think is the coolest. One may argue that weapon modifications and armour modifications play a big role but, in reality, that role is minimal: while it does provide some advantage you have to have the skill to take advantage of those boosts.
Yes, Guild Wars has some rather noticeable bugs and heros tend to require more micro-management than should be necessary, also using skills in awkward ways at times, but this game really is all about skill. Even though I can bitch about NCSoft all day this game really is a winner and since you're looking for a MMORPG that is skill based I highly recommend it.
Originally posted by BioNut
I think you saying my comment is "retarded" is unnecessarily rude. Rudeness seems to be a common denominator among PvP enthusiasts. Why is that? There also seems to be some elitist idea that they are ever so much more "skilled" than other gamers. It's really kind of comical. Because unless you're a professional gamer and making money at e-sports in competitions....it's really not all that much to brag about. Our gaming "skills" don't really mean much in the real world where things actually MATTER.
I understand, however, your frustration at not being able to find the type of game that you feel challenges you. I certainly don't think you're alone with feeling THAT. Even some of us that aren't as "skilled" as you are, would like to have more of a challenge than what today's crop of games provides, that's for sure. But like I said....I think those games are coming.
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Skillbased games just don't happen cause most won't pay 15/month for getting repeatedly told by the game that they suck.
Take wow for example most guilds fail with their Tx epics in icecrown and then we have one single group that did several bosses there in blue equipment , that's the equivalent of 20 retards with ak 47 failing and 10 competent with knifes succeding.
e.G you can't make a skillbased game for such people, you give them shiny epics and hook them up by gradually giving more power in exchange for playing time.
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I am dreaming about an MMO that will bring sort of Gothic 1&2 combat style - reactive and dynamic but still quite easy to fight, even at 3'o clock in the morning (that's why I left all FPS-like MMOs - Darkfall, Fallen Earth, ... - they don't play well in bed on touchpad). I also don't think MMO(RPG)s don't require skill. Most of all it depends on how you define skill - Age of Empires require completely different skill than Counter Strike, for example. Then it boils down to what everyone thinks is the "right" skill that should lead the game. I've seen groups of uber-geared people fail on one of the first raid bosses and groups of "I-just-reached-the-cap" owning the PvP battlefield in "skill-less" games. I've seen a Lore Master in LotRO that could own any other character on the server in a duel, while having the same gear as any end-game char had.
So yes, MMOs do require skill without any doubt. The ease in gaining the necessary skill and the repetivness of the game after you reached some viable level of skill are another topics...
Originally posted by BioNut
What you've done is say that a person's memory isn't factoring in with their 'skill' and that is simply foolish. Remembering the game mechanics and how they work is a vital part of skill and to overlook that is just mind-boggling. Granted, what you do with these remembered mechanics is the other part of skill, but to so blithely dismiss memory...well, it's the difference between 'mere opinion' and 'informed opinion.'
The former, what you are offering, doesn't offer any supporting details and is largely inflammatory. The latter, what you are not offering, is based on some appreciable level of detail. The latter is what really belongs here, not merely people opining about this or that. If you think that one sentence was absolutely necessary to add, much like the poster you're quoting, you're missing the point of discussion and debate.


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