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"make 'em tight enough they don't get loose, but don't make 'em too tight because you might just strip those F*$@*rs"
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So I sold my GS and went shopping for a G/S!
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So it's been more that two weeks since I rode my bike, and when I went to remove the bleed screws I got a nice "hiss" from both side..
A bit of trick bits ala ontic:
"punk rocks what it's all about" - J. Strummer
So I sold my GS and went shopping for a G/S!
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Legs are a little lower in the top clamp compared to last time, i'm going to try and come home a bit early and hit my local whoops to seat the bearing, but I have to go to work tonight on the bike, a 90 mile round trip on the hwy. Funny thing is even with that bearing completly toast last saturday, I never ONCE felt it on the road!!
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I'm laid out with a heavy cold this weekend. Can barely get myself off the couch let alone out to the cold windy shed.
Gimme some news!
Rather than continue to clog up this thread with my theorizing about different bearings and preloads and torques, after chatting with Marcus (roadsacallin) about his upcoming Scotts damper install, I asked him about his experience with these steering head bearings and these clamps/stem/blind nut.
He is going to check in here and enter the discussion sometime after his his current ride, suffice to say my paraphrasing is: he did have problems resulting in replacing notched bearings (around 18,000 Miles and 30,000 Miles), and he believed this was because they were not tightened enough, and he recalls feeling like the top nut (same newer 'short thread' nut that we have) didn't seem like it was up to the task of tightening the bearings to what felt right without the thread failing. After the second replacement (Capetown), he tightened the blind nut more than he ever had before (no torque value remembered), and things have been OK since (though the roads ridden since have also been much better).
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This isn't good news...... I'm thinking that the next time I have to change the bearings, I will be pressing this stem out and putting a bmw stem in. I'm hoping to be riding next weekend some nice off road routes up in N. Carolina!!
Ps sorry about the cold....eat lots of raw garlic!!!
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Bad news- seems to be don't run them too loose or you will probably have problems. OK news- that top blind nut can probably take a bit more torque than it feels like it will- I don't know how much, and don't quote me on that
If Marcus' bike has been OK since Capetown, with this same set up and a more heavily torqued blind nut- then things may not be so bad at all.
I'll be setting mine with the longer threaded blind nut that I have and torquing it up until I get the right feel and fall away point (which is the only way it makes sense to me, not a ktm manual talking about lighter (mass) and 'smaller' contact angle bearings). I suspect on mine this will be around and possibly over 35-40 ft-lb torque (and whatever it is I'll take note). There is a fair bit of usable thread in the top of that stem (not utilised by the short thread blind nut) and using the longer threaded nut did change the feel of torquing it up for me.
One thing Marcus also mentioned is that he thought of getting a steel blind nut (bought or machined). Maybe one of the steel swing arm doo-dads with the same thread could be modified and used?
Personally, at this point, I still wouldn't be planning on a stem swap- I doubt the situation is that dire- my feeling is we've got a blind nut and threaded stem system that is not ideal for the torque required to preload our bearings, but that by carefully exploring into the margin of safety designed into this stem, it can be made to work.
About the cold, thanks. I haven't been sick for over a year and a half, so it is kinda hitting me hard.
And garlic, yeah, I'm due for another dose. I'm on ginger lemon and Echinacea tea now. I also make a killer chicken soup (very heavy on the ginger, garlic and chilli) and I am trying to muster the strength to head down to do some shopping to cook up a pot full.
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Started to recover from my flu today so considering I've taken today and tomorrow off work() I got a bit busy.
I think I may have figured out part of the reason I am having trouble preloading my bearings properly, I'll get to that at the end.
First I set about shortening my forks.
Nothing new to show here that Solo hasn't already. Thanks to his write up and PM's it was pretty easy. I have shortened them by the full length of that black spacer. I'm not sure if this is exactly spot on for G/S measurements, but it feels pretty close.
here are the 'special tools' I improvised.
Protaper bar risers with two layers of leather around the cartridge tubes and clamped in the woodworking vice.
worked great.
next, that damn triple pin thing- I just found some rollers from an old needle bearing from my 4x4 that fitted perfectly and then a couple of vice grips and some heat applied around the thread, and it turned and cracked the the thread easily enough.
Some time soon I'll have to go to the trouble to actually make that special tool- I just didn't have the patience tonight (as it is going to have to be a pretty good fit to work well). At the least, next time I'll find my other set of vice grips so that I can use three pins instead of two.
Not much different here to Solo aside from the colour of the PVC pipe I used for my new spacers. Well, they are KTM forks aren't they
As you can see, new spacer same length as the black spacer that is being removed.
Did both forks, put it all back together, and we now have a much shorter front end- suddenly the side and center stands work again.
I haven't loctited the few threaded bits that seem to want it inside the forks as I will only be running them like this for some testing- and pretty soon they'll be pulled apart again and probably lenthened a little bit and who knows what else before I put them back together for the final time.
Next I set about exploring the old blind nut and bearing preload issue.
First off I made a steel blind nut out of a swing arm thing out of my spare parts.
A little bit of welding and grinding and what not,
from left to right is, the old KTM aluminium blind nut with the long thread, the new KTM aluminium blind nut with very little thread, the steel blind nut I made with maximum thread that will work in the stem (pretty much exactly the same as the nut on the far left), last to the right another of the swing arm things I made the nut out of.
new long thread steel nut vs new short thread aluminium nut- the washer on the steel nut is aluminium and is from the old KTM aluminium nut I have.
After making my new steel blind nut I torqued my head stem right up... pretty damn high (over 60 ft-lb)and it didn't do much-
what I think I figured out is that the top of my stem is probably hitting the bottom of the washer under the blind nut before my torquing up of the blind nut preloads the bearing enough.
I did a test with some soldering wire under the washer between the washer and the top of the stem, torqued it up, and sure enough the very thin soldering wire got squashed.
It is not too clear but that is squashed thin soldering wire on top of the washer there.
Why this is happening to me?
At present I have not fitted a top bearing cover because I need to cut it down in order to get it to fit with my scotts damper pin tower- it is quite possible that the tolerance on this stem is that tight that this very thin removal of spacing between the bearing and the triple clamp means that I haven't been able to preload my bearings properly.
Hopefully this will be fixed when I fit my bearing cover, and if not then I will make up a washer/spacer thing (to go under the blind nut washer but around the top of the stem) that will let me pull the stem a little bit further into the top triple clamp. Does that make sense? (I hope so)
Besides all this, after all my thought into the different bearings issue- I still feel quite sure that we need to torque our bmw bearings a bit more than the KTM manual calls for.
I also tried my suggestion of keeping the bike on the centre stand and loosening the lower triple fork tube pinch bolts and the upper triple stem pinch bolts, and then torquing up the blind nut, and it worked much better for me as the nut was no longer having to pull the entire front end up.
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A little update,
Got the bike back together, including reconnecting all my temporary (and unlabeled ) electrics that had been pulled apart from all this front end wrangling.
I put new stock bmw bearing cover/seals above and below the top and bottom bearings. The top one I had to cut right down to fit with my HPMGuy Scotts damper pin tower.
All up I suppose I might have added 1-2mm of shimming...? and what do you know but I can now torque up the blind nut and it acts like it should- continuing to predictably tighten up the steering beyond 10-20 ft-lb . The top of the stem is no longer hitting the bottom of the blind nut washer before the right preload is reached. I must say, I am fairly impressed with the exact tolerance that Rdubb designed these for- barely a mm of wiggle room but with stock bmw bearings and seals in their right places it will work- without the seals it won't.
With my steel blind nut I played around with a lot of different torques on that top nut- to me it feels like the range is somewhere between 20-30 ft-lb. At 20 ft-lb I can't feel any wobble, but the bars fall away at the slightest tilt from center and they fall with no resistance whatsoever, and 30 ft-lb has a bit too much drag and doesn't fall very easily or quickly (though it still falls). Calibrated over two different torque wrenches (my clicker and my old deflection beam which both agreed), I've set mine at 25 ft-lb where it feels just right to me.
If anything, I feel like I may have set mine a little loose (I plan on checking it frequently as the bearings settle in)- but maybe not, maybe I've set it a bit too tight.... however I can't see any way that 7.4 ft-lb would work.
And wow, what a difference riding these forks shortened- cornering is a lot nicer. The bike feels nimble all over again but so so solid and planted in the front end. In contrast it was feeling a bit chopperesque with the full length forks, even slid up in the triples as far as I could.
I played around with my fork clickers a little bit- both clickers all the way out, very nice and plush with an almost empty tank and no load on the bike- both clickers all the way in, nice and firm, thankfully a bit too firm so that it should be usable when the bike is loaded down more. Then I tried both clickers in the middle for a while (18 clicks out) and it seemed very nice.
I need to get a slightly more road-friendly front tyre on as this ridiculous motorcross tyre howls at speed and feels like I'm riding on rubber marbles if I lean it over too far Before then it will be hard to fine tune the forks for the road manners as far as oil weight goes, but for now this Penrite full synthetic ATF feels pretty nice.
They list it as an equivalent to a 10W fork oil.
anyone else got some updates
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Whatever end cracked first was going to go and I had no choice in the matter but at least it meant I didn't have to try to get that spring off.
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I;ve got nothing new. Hit the whoops again and the front is still tight....so I think I may be out of the woods with that. Bought Race Tech suspension bible per AW suggestion and have been reading that. There is a good "test" section in the book that I'm going to try out. I checked my notes again and realized I used 20 ft/lbs on the blind nut. Worked like a charm. The machinist had mentioned something that I forgot to mention. When he cleaned up the threads for me he told me that the blind nut was designed to be pinched as it was being tightened into the stem. The threads look identical to me top and bottom on the blind nut, what did he mean by that? That would indicate that the stem threads would be tapered, but I don't see that????
Hoping to do a few hundred miles off road this weekend, so should be good testing for the new bearings!!!!
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Since AW recommended that book, I've almost bought it a couple of times now. I'm not quite as efficient on amazon as I am on ebay One day I'll get it right.
And yeah, at least we are in the same ball park, 20ft-lb felt solid but on the lighter end of the scale for me. It is something I am going to keep checking until I feel like I get it right- I'd rather not run them too loose again so if 25 is good I'll inch it down a bit next time and see what I can get away with.
And here is one of the advantages of having a top nut that sets the bearing preload- we can actually easily use torque wrenches on them unlike the under clamp crown nuts- once I figure out the torque that works best it should be a cinch to set without mucking around with fall away of the bars (always a little difficult with cables and stuff confusing it)
I don't know what your machinist meant about pinching the blind nut. There is nothing unusual about those threads that I can tell, I've screwed a steel swing arm thing all the way to the bottom of the threads and even turned with fingers it rides smoothly and easily the whole way. Luckily all my heavy torquing hasn't damaged my threads!
John's point about the one-piece blind nut-washer possibly being pinched by the triple clamp was interesting (getting pinched on the washer where it sits in the depression of the stem pinch section- it would be a neat idea, however although it is very close, there is a 1-2mm of clearance around the washer so it doesn't actually get pinched.
If it is a concern that 20-30 ft-lb is not enough to reliably hold that blind nut in place over time (is that the concern?) maybe once the bearings are preloaded, then the stem gets pinched and then the blind nut gets torqued up a bit more just to hold it in place? I don't know.
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In 2012 Vientiane completed a massive redevelopment project along the riverside. Previously it was home to little more than rustic sunset shacks and simple eateries. At times, the river was higher back then, as the Chinese had yet to complete their many damming projects upstream on the Mekong, and during some wet seasons the many businesses lining Fa Ngum would flood. The western strip of Fa Ngum was a small dirt road, lined with outdoor patios and the ramshackle restaurants extending out over the water.
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A children's play area is a central gathering point later in the day when the park becomes a popular place for families to take their evening walk. The climate and the national temperament render strolling a favourite form of exercise, and at dusk, friends, families and couples come to see and been seen by the waterfront. A prominade along the riverbank is popular among joggers and cyclists, and has provided an avenue for skateboarding and BMXing to become more widespread in Laos.
At the west end of the park is the Vientiane night market. Stalls cater to tourists and locals. Many sell the standard hilltribe fabric merchandise found all over Lao, although the selection is smaller and less impressive than the Luang Prabang night market. Other stalls sell tourist T-shirts, clothes, slingshots, snacks and plaster cartoon figurines to be painted, a favourite activity among people of all ages.
A few stalls are set up by local art students. Some sell the classic monk and Buddha images on hand-made paper found in most markets. Others sell original work, often wood-prints, some of which are very impressive and at around 50,000 kip, very cheap.
At the far end of the market is what looks like a food cart, but is actually a bar cart. This party on wheels is a cheap place to buy a drink, if you'd like something to sip on while watching the sunset. The riverfront is certainly a spot to see the sun go down and everyone comes together to do it.
The riverfront is a symbol of progress, of which some have been more skeptical than others. While the ecological effects have been questionable, forming such a central and expansive gathering place for the residents of Vientiane has had many social benefits; many Laotians are puzzled by the common desire of Westerners to leave their homes to be immersed in silence and greenery. The Lao have developed their city in accordance with their own standards of enjoyment, and for better or worse, joining in with the hubbub is more fun than complaining about it.
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|Reviews for Maya's Troubling Journey
| Animation Universe 2005 chapter 27 . 11/19/2013
Keep going! I'm looking forward to see what goes on next!
-AniUniverse '05
| ShadowBrook17 chapter 27 . 11/19/2013
Awwww poor Amy... I mean, I know Maya MUST have some sort of plan, but why doesn't Amy see that? She's probably just really worried... MAN THAT WAS AWESOME! I can't wait to see more!
Your fan, friend, and sissy...
| Dragoness of the Stars chapter 27 . 11/18/2013
:D Great chapter! Poor Amy...I'll keep reading!
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 27 . 11/18/2013
Poor Amy. Losing Maya so quickly. It barely seems real. However, I know Amy will get Maya back safe and sound. Amy, Po, and the Furious Five wouldn't let anything happen to their friends.
| ShadowBrook17 chapter 26 . 8/2/2013
Ah man, what make her want to hide?! WHAT'S HAPPENING! OH MY GOSH! AHH! Oh gosh, I just can NOT wait to see what happens next sis, this is just epic!
Your fan, friend and big sis...
| MusicalNinja15 chapter 26 . 7/31/2013
Oh no! What made her want to hide under the bed! I'm scared now too! This was another epic chapter by you! You are doing fantastic! I liked this conversation between the girls. Maya has some good ideas. I want to find out what happens soon! Keep it up!
Your fan and friend,
| Animation Universe 2005 chapter 26 . 7/31/2013
Man, this is getting extreme here...
-AniUniverse '05
| Tigress137 chapter 25 . 6/11/2013
Wow! Tonie's back!? That can't be good... I wonder what he wants! the girls were really smart with the sling-shot device! Hmmmm if that could take out 15 ninjas, maybe it can take out him! Good job! I can't wait to see what YOU come up with next!
Your fan and friend,
P.S. Because you took the author note off the story, this chapter is not 26, therefore I have already reviewed chapter 25 last time. So if you aren't getting many reviews, its because they couldn't review because there is a one review per chapter policy. Its great that you updated it today! Looking forward to Maya and Amy's dramatic adventure!
| ShadowBrook17 chapter 25 . 6/11/2013
AHHH! YES! You posted a new chapter, whoo hoo! I'm so happy! And AHHHHHH! IT'S TONIE! RUN FOR IT! Oh gosh, GET HIM GIRLS! I can NOT wait to see what happens next, Tonie will know not to hurt them again, when they kick his butt! GO GIRLS! WHOO! Can't wait for more!
Your fan, friend and big sis...
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 25 . 4/29/2013
Yes! The battle is on! And Maya is right. This is 'their' turf. The ninjas don't stand a chance. Let the battle begin!
Can't wait for more!
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 24 . 4/29/2013
Ooh, they're not going to take that are they? They probably aren't.
Anyway, I love how you just described the one guy as Ninja. And I also liked it when Maya just slammed the door in the two ninja's faces.
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 23 . 4/29/2013
The ninjas? What are they doing there?! Also, Tigress hugged Maya? That's like...a Kung Fu Panda lover's and a Tigress fan's dream come true! It might also be Po's dream come true as well, haha.
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 21 . 4/7/2013
Well, it's good that Amy let it all out to her cousin. And hahaha! I would probably run as fast as my legs would let me to try and beat Po there.
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 20 . 4/7/2013
Maybe she'll share with Maya the nightmare she had later? I hope Amy starts feeling better soon.
| NinjaWolf4 chapter 19 . 4/7/2013
Well, that's good that they're both together at the Jade Palace. I hope Amy feels better soon too.


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On Saturday Exeter residents will decide whether they will recall four of their five town councilors. Angry residents petitioned for the recall after the town council asked lawmakers to move the permitting of concealed guns from the town clerk to the attorney general's office.
Those who oppose the recall said gun enthusiasts outside of Exeter are influencing the town politics. Rhode Island Public Radio's Catherine Welch looked into that claim and joins us now.
ELISABETH: So this recall is centered on who hands out permits in Exeter for concealed weapons.
Today on Smith Hill, a lobbyist with the National Rifle Association and a captain in the Rhode Island State Police are meeting with lawmakers for an informal session. They are coming at the request of Woonsocket Democrat Representative Lisa Badelli-Hunt. She says lawmakers need more information if they're going to intelligently consider gun legislation this session.
Rhode Island Public Radio political analyst Scott MacKay joins afternoon host Dave Fallon to discuss the meeting and what it means for gun control measures in the state.
Law enforcement officials have tried without success for years to make Rhode Island's gun laws more stringent. They say tougher laws would help to deter gun-related violence. Now, in the aftermath of the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, the question remains whether Rhode Island will beef up its gun laws. For starters, gun control supporters will have to overcome powerful opposition from the National Rifle Association.


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text: [Download & Video] UPDATED: PhotoSphere Cam Working Zachdroid 31 October, 2012 15 Comments PhotoSphere, Photosphere Get Yours Here! Update: Dmmarck at AndroidCentral has figured out what is needed to get the PhotoSphere function working. Here is a list of what you will need. This comes straight from the Source. Once again, Dmmarck, thanks for the hard work and making this happen: Push those files (unzipped) to system/lib. Set permissions to RW-R-R (or chmod 644). Reboot. Push that file (unzipped) to system/lib. Set permissions to RW-R-R (or chmod 644). Reboot. Push this file to system/app. Set permissions to RW-R-R. Reboot. Source Info: Dmmarck's Photosphere Page There has been a lot of talk lately about Android 4.2, the newest sweet treat from our Mountain View friends. Recently there was a leaked Keyboard, well more like released, but that's just splitting hairs, a adn was set up nd now we have the much hyped Photosphere Camera. This goody comes from the guys over at AndroidCentral and it is a nice one. I've been using the camera for the last couple of hours and so far it snaps fast, has a nice new UI, although the highly anticipated feature of the 360 degree Photosphere Works! does FC. But hey it is worth a try, its only been out for a day, maybe less, the fact its working already is a compliment to the community we hang out in. For those of you that don't know about the Photosphere experience, it is a feature that allows you to take photo after photo after photo and so on, while in the Photosphere function, and afterwards the program compiles them all into what is a virtual 360 degree picture that you can navigate around in and see EVERYTHING around the picture taker. Pretty freaking sick. Hugo Barra, on his G+ page made these comments: We just announced new Nexus devices and Android 4.2 to the world – and one of my favorite features is Photo Sphere. With the 4.2 Camera app, Photo Sphere lets you create photos that are richer and more immersive than anything that has ever come out of a mobile device. We were inspired by Street View in Google Maps, and the sophisticated pieces of equipment that Google custom-developed in order to bring you 360-degree photos from all over the world – cars, trikes, and even backpacks. Photo Spheres make you feel like you're really there. When you're snapping a photo sphere, you can move in every direction, you can look up, you can look down, every detail from the original scene is just there. Photo Spheres are stored as JPEG files, and all of the information required to view them is embedded as open XML metadata in the image itself. So you can email them, post them to Google+, put them in Google+ photo albums. Check it out and also check out all of our Nexus news. This looks like something pretty sweet, and when it pans all the way out, its going to be totally sweet. Keep checking with us and we will do our utmost to keep you informed and have the downloads when they are ready. To install the app, download, move into the system folder, set permissions, reboot, (I like to wipe dalvik and cache) and you should be up and running like Carl Lewis. PhotoSphere APK Download Thanks Dmmarck at AndroidAuthority for the release/find of this fresh goody. mike photosphere DOES NOT work, you may want to change this Zachdroid Mike, you are correct, however we did put that the Photosphere does FC. The cam aside from that is nice. I like it better than stock on my Gnex personally. Aux Photosphere requires lightcycle library, which is a part of ROM and was not uploaded anywhere. If we find this lib then camera will work properly. Zachdroid Sweet thanks for the heads up Naor hello works great but when i try to use the panorama mode , its forceclose the gallery , what to do ? jeff donuts works but i get the green screen thingy on my s2


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Nothing is til it is and even then you never know until its been.
I'm not the kind of guy to throw whip out my epeen and talk esmack but this just has to be said. I was stealth before it was easy mode for bad players and gankers.
Stealth never used to be easy invisible mode. Back in my day on Ghost Recon 1 and 2 stealth meant walking slow as to not make a bunch of noise. It meant observing frequent player patterns then stalking those routes. It mean crawling/jumping/running into seemingly impossible places to wait for a player to run by. It was selecting my gear to match the map so I could blend in with my surroundings. It meant using less powerful weapons because they made less noise.
I applied this same technique in Darkfall and was a successful steathy player without any kind of transpart mode.
Stealth isn't a cast, it's a playstyle.
I'm not entire closed minded. I understand we now have a whole generation of ezStealthers that can't bear the idea of old school stealth so I'll throw you an invisbone here and say I would support "the predator" style stealth but I want to add some consequences to balance out so much win. For example you move slower in stealth (running is not stealthy), the stealth cast has a timer so you cant sit in predator mode for hours, and maybe, just maybe if you get spotted and attacked first while in stealth you are dazed for a second.
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I like your vision of what you want stealth to be like in CU. I agree stealth shouldn't just persist forever and if someone finds you in stealth having a penalty seems to make a lot of sense to me.
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Joined: 2/17/13
I don't see how comparing stealth in an fps to mmo stealth even begins to be the same thing. Stealth on timers ends up being in combat stealth and I'd deal with permastealth all day long if it means I don't have to deal with people going invis mid fight because they messed up in the first place. I was under the impression missing out on your alpha strike was the main drawback to being detected early.
So basically... stealth should crawl, have no alpha strike, be timed, and stun you if you are detected. What is the benefit of stealth at that point? To hide on the other side of trees and buildings like a visible and be slow as hell otherwise? Sounds worth it to me. Over many of your posts on this I have to wonder if you're trolling or even played daoc as a reference. Normally I wouldn't waste time of this sort of thing, but you're very vocal and I'm scared MJ might get the wrong idea.
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Define action combat for me please.
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That question is as rigged as asking me what a sandbox is. It'd be faster to say a tab target mmo doesn't have action combat. It also doesn't have crouch/prone states or camo to achieve what some FPSs can in the realm of stealth. Landscapes tend to be barren or able to turned off for the sake of low end pcs being able to run the game at a decent frame rate. Thinking outside the box is fine, but not every aspect of the game should be a grand experiment with no real basis in the genre you want it thrown into.
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Nothing is til it is and even then you never know until its been.
Considering the simplicity and shallow gameplay of a FPS vs a MMO my point is that if I was able to stealth in a gamestyle as archaic as an FPS then MMOs should be even easier to truly stealth in if your careful, planned and creative about it. Not to mention MMO combat is far more complex so I would expect even better means to truly stealth in an MMO without resorting to the cheep invis version.
You conveniently ignored the fact that I was very successful in utilizing stealth to sneak up on players in Darkfall which is obviously an MMO. You also ignored my compromise solution, probably because it is a "common ground" approach that makes sense for stealthers and non stealthers utilizing predator stealth. The benefit of stealth under that system is that you are nearly invisible, which should be more than enough for you to successfully sneak up on someone, especially if I was able to do so in Darkfall ;) Certainly a player of basic skill, that thinks ahead, considers terrain and distance then uses the predator stealth would have a high success rate against non stealth players. I see it as asking the stealth players to up their game and play the way the non stealth players have played for ages utilizing realistic combat approaches.
Lets make a pretty basic comparison. If warriors had a move where they shoot you from extremely far away (farther than anyone else can shoot) and get teleported to your position while also performing an opening strike most players would say that isn't fair. Well, speed running while using compete invis stealth is the same thing.
I hope MJ does read and consider my posts about stealth. I'm not trolling, trolling is criticizing for the sake of harassing without offering any solutions to the problem.
If my posts are making invis fans nervous, then they must be evening the playing field (because as I know most stealthers don't like a fair fight). They prefer to sneak up, try for an easy crit win, and if it fails vanish and run away. That just doesn't sound like balance to me, and thats exactly why I did it for years in WOW (always with a stealth friend and on either my beat druid or rogue). It was an easy win and it never felt like a fair fight (other than when Pallys bubble hearthed lol).
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I hope you're trolling too, I don't think you understand how stealth was in daoc where all these people are defending permanent stealth
It wasn't skill less, a bad stealthers would get creamed all day long by visibles and other stealthers
Not to mention you sound pretty cocky, maybe go pick up daoc and see how "good" you are at stealth and don't compare wow rogues
Wow is a pve game where rogues are designed to compete with all other dps classes
Ozek - DAOC
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It's important to note that I prefer not to play stealth classes. However, I have played them as alts - just not mains. The problem with stealth classes is not stealth, it's high critical strike front end damage. However, if the community sincerely wants to address getting rid of stealth as an ability, there's other ways to do it. I personally don't have a problem with stealth classes as it stands; adapt and learn to play against something, or die - it's that simple; unless something is blatantly overpowered.
I've posted in another thread about a viable solution to remove 'perma' stealth and still provide a stealthy element:
Obviously, it may need a little refinement. Nonetheless, the true problem with stealth classes is not stealth, it's high critical strike front end damage. Fix that and most of the complaints should go away. Decent ideas, Xobdnas, but like I'll say to anyone else.. you can't compare apples to oranges, or in this case, FPS to MMOs; it's entirely different genres.
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Nothing is til it is and even then you never know until its been.
I'm way to invested in this community to troll it. I did not play stealth in DAOC so I will take your words on it working better than WOW or WAR or GW2. As a former stealther myself, I really honestly cant see how being completely invisible is not easier and OP vs the transparent predator stuff. I also find it hard to believe stealthers have begun to rely entirely on a simple click go invis button.
Back in my FPS days I spent weeks playing with a guy that I can only describe as a ghost. He mauled everyone, every time, every map. Finally after getting killed by him long enough I found his trick. Always picked camo for the map, always stood against a camo style backdrop, like a tree, a tire, anything to give him some camo and create an angle where he was safe from behind (and if he could 1 side). I played, I learned, I was top 100 in the world eventually. My post was light hearted but not cocky. I really did utilize stealth to a point of game domination but if I was cocky I wouldnt point out that if it wasnt for the guy I learned from I'd still be a run n gun FPS players.
In WOW I generally ran the AVs I was in and I always lead a stealth group while running the raid, again to lost of success.
But thats all in the past. I've moved onto MMOs because I view the combat as deeper and more complex. I miss that, I want that to come back. I wanna see skill in my MMOs again and I view people that are good with translucent stealth as more skilled than poof invis players.
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I should have added this to my original post: Stealth classes in Dark Age of Camelot are entirely different beasts than what's found in other games. If Camelot Unchained is the spiritual successor to Dark Age of Camelot, which it is, it really, really helps to have been exposed to that style of gameplay. I'm not saying if you've never played it your points invalid, because that would be absolutely insane.. but it's like some of the community requesting action targeting combat systems - it leaves a lot of veteran DAoC players scratching their heads.
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First stop bragging lol
Second : explain what you mean by "easier and OP"
Daoc was a Rock Paper Scissors game stealthers destroyed casters but had tough time vs tanks, I would venture a bet most people against stealthers that played daoc were either really bad, unbuffes, or Casters
All are completely invalid cases to complain about stealthers when they were in essence designed to climb walls and take casters out quickly
If they couldn't do this, they would have no purpose in keep warfare , they are too low HIt point, poor armor to Stand visible and do anything but die
And if they couldn't climb walls and drop casters quickly they would have to suicide to have any chance at doing anything
They had their "rock" purpose and the people that complained and still complain were the same ones that were able to two shot other people yet didn't think that was ever a problem
It's in essence (IMO) a needed class in a Rock Paper Scissors game
Ozek - DAOC
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If I didn't respond to you, chances are you're a idiot.
You honestly can't compare camping in a FPS to a Mmo. That's going to be the main problem with your post, the discussion will hover around it forever. It's simply not the same thing, and sticks in peoples craws. Now ... DF is another matter.
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I have no issue with stealth ala DAoC, I thought it was fun (except Infiltrators and Dragonfang/PA spam lol). I include in that statement that stealthers shouldn't be able to see each other, even in groups. It adds to the challenge of gank squads and organizing stealth parties. It may be a PITA but so is getting jumped by 5 assassins.
I'd like to see ranger type classes be able to track stealthers and have a higher than average ability to detect them/find stealth trails etc. Tanks can withstand their attacks but really no one can pressure them when they're hiding or have them be at risk of being exposed outside of their own choices.
Now this mechanic shouldn't be click the button and all rogues pop up in your face, but it should be useful enough to be...well, useful and put pressure on the rogues and get rid of the 'stealth sanctum' most MMOs give them.
If it is a true rock/paper/scissors game there should be classes specifically designed to make life harder for a stealther.
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I like the stealth how they are in Warhammer, not imbalance with only few sec of stealthing.
I like it how the stealth is in PS2 too, not completly stealth, just transparent. They have to be careful and hide.
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I used to play as a stealth Thane, was my first char :) since I was all about realm pride I would hang out in Odin's gate in off hours and watch for inc. It was actually very rare for people to spot me if I did not want to be found. You just needed to know the trees to hide behind. I used the ghetto PA let them past on the road, sprint single whack to pop the barrier then slam most people absolutely freaked out and never saw me coming.
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Lol you simply cannot compare FPS stealthing to Daoc Stealth... ever.
So many variables, its not just a button you push to become invisible, theres spec points behind that button that alter the level of stealth you have, gear bonuses etc, then you have Assassin Stealth and Archer Stealth, one is inherently weaker than the other, although archers get a Camo ability that boosts there level up on a timer.
Then theres running in 8 man visi team, you know theres stealthers around, garaunteed, so you take measures to pop them, PBAEOing known hiding places etc.
its a game of cat and mouse
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Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
I played a caster and my main issue wasn't the assassins but rather the archers. Before the archer patch in DaoC you could see nearly every class running around solo and enjoying life. Some of my fondest memories were on my eld or druid running around fighting thurgs, warlocks, necros, reavers, skalds whatever. Each class brought it's own unique challenge. Heck back then fighting the archers weren't that bad. After the archer patch, it essentially turned archers into invisible casters with longer range, less dps and more escape tools. To make up for the lack of dps they would group and the solo visibles gave up. Just wasn't fun getting shot from 2000+ range when most classes dps spells are 1500 range or less. Sure there was long range cc/ns but stealthers had way to many tools to counter that and get away if the going got rough.
Heck today I was solo'ing on my druid and a hunter pops me, gets me down to like 10% health or so, I pop my rr5 get back to full life put my pet on him, root his pet and procede to start dotting him. Wham he presses his self speed and damage immunity buttons and easily gets away. So frickin dumb. Archers killed the solo game in DaoC. If you want them in CU they shouldn't have longer range than most casters, they shouldn't be able to easily get away from fights if they go bad (they pick the fight).
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Fanglo you make no sense, your complaining cos a clothie couldnt kill a stealther who couldnt finish you off and had to use lots of abilities to escape, while you even admit to using an RR5 ability to heal back to full, you expect him to say "oh i didnt finish you, guess i should stand and die now".
Fact is, Archers have to hope they burn you down fast before you kill them, what with all your bubbles and crystal guards, its not like their big opener does much dmg to casters nowadays either.
I have an rr8 Ranger and a RR5 Hunter and Scout, i know how each Archer class performs in Daoc, and taking on a caster is a huge risk, forget about picking on anyone with a shield either.
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i still believe that just removing the red name above your head should be stealth and nothing else
then if you hide you can be stealty but ruunning though open ground towards a enemy is not a good idea
jumping out and attacking plus the ability to get lost in the confusion of a a battle would be much more relistic
and even if your being chased as long as you can break line of sight you can really make terain work for you and become hidden again
just imagin chasing some rogue/thief character and they run in to a group of bushes you have noidea where they went ,but you think they are in the bushes you could try to aoe them out , they could have sneaked away while your wondering where they went
they could even be shooting you with a bow from within the bushes forcing you to withdraw
a much better way to do stealth
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I guarantee that if you try to stealth as you have mentioned before in a large RvR scenario I will run straight to you and plant a two-handed something right between your ears. Unless you're hiding in the bushes or in the trees there is no way you'll go unseen with so many eyes darting back and forth. We are not Skyrim npcs.
This is all dependent on whether it is a closed map or an open world however. In an open world fight there will be a near infinite number of ways to approach and places to hide. If we're talking about an instanced battleground type arena then no you would never get away with stealth like that (okay you MIGHT be able to grab the occasional guy taking personal time behind a boulder).


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