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Okay, I am starting to get spring fever and now have congressional approval for my pompei oven (my wife).
I found some really nice blocks with a rough finish face on them already. I think that will give me an easy and nice base look. I tracked down my fire-bricks for about $1 each.
Now just a few questions and opinions if you please.
I believe that I will go with just concrete, rebar, and then vermiculete for my hearth (bricks right on insulating layer).
My main question is about dome thickness/insulation. I read all the threads, but I didn't know if there was a consensus. If you builders were doing another oven, mainly looking for quick-fire times and not so worried about long retention times. What would you do for thickness and insulation order? I will not enclose the oven. I will go with the standard igloo (with stucco finish).
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Mike, I just finished my stucco work on a 36" The pics are under the pompeii oven constuction thread. My mortar layer is no more than 1" and probably closer to 1/2" in most places. On the other hand, my insulation layer is a full 6" thick. I was too impatient (and cheap) to get the insulation blanket although I could have trimed the insulation layer back to 4" with it.
After a long firing, I cannot feel any heat through the insulation so it must be pretty efficient at retaining heat. The lower part of the chimney on the other hand gets outright blazing! As for heatup, I can get to cooking temp in under an hour (40-45min) so I'm pleased with it's heating efficiency. As for retention, I don't have a great sense because I just haven't used it enough, but I do know that the next morning, the oven is usually in the 200+ degree range.
That's a long-winded way of saying, go light on the heat sink and heavy on the insulation! I wouldn't change a thing!
Good luck!
It looks like you have built almost exactly what I am shooting for. I will go with the 36" also.
If you did it again, would you go with the blanket or stick with the 6" of perlcrete?
Also, have you finished your stucco yet? If so, what was your layer order on top of the perlcrete. If not, what is your plan. Can you stucco right on the perlcrete. Seems that the surface would be rough enough for sticking, or are you going to used chicken wire.
BTW, great looking oven. However, we just got another foot of snow, so I will have to just collect supplies for now. One last question. Do you have a total price estimate on just the oven part of your project?
Thanks again,
Mike, I'd probably still go with the 6" and skip the blanket. The cost of perlite and cement is minimal and once you get going, 6" is as easy as 4". There's just that much more to mix. I did all my mixing, except the foundation which I had pumped, in a 6cf wheelbarrow. Renting a mixer would have really speeded things up, but it wasn't that much trouble, it's good exercise, and I didn't have to plan, rent and return a mixer. It took three hours or so to do the insulation layer, beginning to end.
Stucco is done. I'll get pics up next week. Two layers- scratch and finish. Used expanded diamond lathe over the perlcrete for better adhesion and because my building dept. required it... I used 11/2" galv. ring roofing nails to attach it to the perlcrete and tin snips to section it and get a close fit.
As for a cost estimate, I have no idea--$1,000 or so. I could tell you the cost of the individual pieces and you could go from there. There's a Material List for 36" Oven thread in the Pompeii Oven Construction folder. I'll go add the prices where I can. Naturally they're only accurate here in S. Fla., but it should help.
And thanks for the compliment. I couldn't have done it without the help from so many people here. Paul, Marcel, Tarik, Robert & James to name just a few... Feel free to email directly or pm me if you have more questions or run into any snags.
Thanks David, brick saw on sale
I appreciate your thoughts on the blanket. That seems so true about adding 2 more inches.
Is the diamond lathe you used, like a sheet metal with little nubs popped up for roughness? That sounds like a bugger to get it to your igloo shape. Isn't it a fairly solid piece of metal? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
Don't worry about more specifics on the money side. I was guessing around $1000ish. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't way, way off.
Thanks again for the help and replies.
You are so right about the great help in this forum.
I literally read every post in here (except recipes), before even asking any questions.
By the way, I noticed several other people getting spring fever and starting or thinking of starting ovens right now. I thought I would mention that Harbor Freight does have their 10" tile/brick saw on sale right now. It is the pump style not the pan/splash style. I think it was regularly $399, down to $199. I think it ends on feb 27th, but not positive. I'm not a huge fan of some of their tools, but I've heard several other people have bought them.
David if you are still out there (or someone else who may have experience with this). I am wondering if you used foil or any other slip plane in your insulation? Or did you just do your 6" of perlcrete directly onto your brick/brick mortar.
If you didn't, do you think you should? Anyone else think that this should be done when not using a blanket?
As David Wing and Alan Scott suggest, I certainly did use foil over the bricks, before the reinforcing mesh went on. They state that this prevents hot spots in the dome and walls, and it seems to. The only question is how many layers. Alan Scott's own plans specify one layer of HD foil. At one point in the Bread Builders, the text specifies one layer, but in another it specifies three layers. I used three, but, then again, I overbuild just about everything.
No need for foil
This is one area where the Pompeii oven and the Scott oven are different in design.
The Scott oven has a brick oven chamber, encased with an addition 5" of concrete. Both of these layers are thermal, and make up the mass of the oven. That's where the oven's 9"+ of thermal mass comes from. Because both the brick and concrete are thermal, but move differently during thermal expansion and contraction, you need a slipe plane between them to decrease the chance of cracking and wear.
The Pompeii oven has a single thermal layer -- the brick dome held together with fire mortar. That's it. There isn't a second thermal layer, so no need for foil.
The insulating layers (some combination of Insulfrax, loose vermiculite or perlite, or castable vermiculite or perlite) stop heat, and keep it inside the oven. You don't need a slip plane between the thermal and insulating layers, even if you don't use a blanket.
I think this is a really good question, because it highlights an interesting aspect of oven design.
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Many thousands of words flowed once the floodwaters that devastated Cockermouth in 2009 had ebbed away.
The torrent of comment and observation included more than 30 poems that were later displayed in the town's shop windows to mark the first anniversary of the floods.
Many of the poems, which had a river or water theme, were written by local poets and schoolchildren.
The idea was prompted by Cockermouth poet Michael Baron, who initiated Keswick's hugely popular Words By The Water festival.
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Black Friday Comes Early at Dollar General10:20 EST Thursday, November 10, 2011GOODLETTSVILLE, Tenn., Nov. 10, 2011 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Beat the post-Thanksgiving Day crowds and get a jump-start on checking off your holiday shopping list at Dollar General. Shoppers may take advantage of unbelievable Black Friday prices more than a week before Thanksgiving. Dollar General's pre-holiday sale runs from Sunday, Nov. 13 to Saturday, Nov. 19, with a limited-time special savings Nov. 13 – 15. "By rolling out Black Friday deals a couple of weeks early, we're hoping to ease some of the anxiety associated with the holiday rush, while helping shoppers save money," said Todd Vasos, Dollar General's chief merchandising officer. "With the early specials, customers don't have to get up before the sun the day after Thanksgiving to get the best deals. They can shop leisurely and get great specials anytime during our pre-Thanksgiving sale." Dollar General is helping customers save money on popular electronics during a special pre-holiday sale Nov. 13 – 15 only. Families can capture memories of the season with an Emerson 12 MP digital camera or 12 MP HD video camera, each only $25. A Polaroid 4GB MP3 music and video player with 1.5 inch color LCD display, which is perfect for holiday road trips, is only $15. Customers also will save on Thanksgiving preparation essentials. Shoppers can stock up on baking supplies such as cake, brownie and cookie mixes for only $1. Clover Valley cooking staples such as chicken broth, bread crumbs or canned pumpkin are only $1. Learn more about Dollar General's special bargains at www.dollargeneral.com.About Dollar General CorporationDollar General Corporation has been delivering value to shoppers for more than 70 years. Dollar General helps shoppers Save time. Save money. Every day!(R) by offering products that are frequently used and replenished, such as food, snacks, health and beauty aids, cleaning supplies, basic apparel, house wares and seasonal items at low everyday prices in convenient neighborhood locations. With more than 9,600 stores in 38 states, Dollar General has more retail locations than any retailer in America. In addition to high quality private brands, Dollar General sells products from America's most-trusted manufacturers such as Procter & Gamble, Kimberly-Clark, Unilever, Kellogg's, General Mills, Nabisco, Hanes, PepsiCo and Coca-Cola. Learn more about Dollar General at www.dollargeneral.com.Tawn firstname.lastname@example.com 615-855-5209Emily email@example.com 615-855-5210 This information was brought to you by Cision http://www.cisionwire.com http://www.cisionwire.com/dollar-general/r/black-friday-comes-early-at-dollar-general,c9185009 The following files are available for download: wkr0001.pdf PDF


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It's a day to celebrate all the QTE we hold near n' dear to our hearts. Like these lil' critters!
GIFs spotted on Monterey Bay Aquarium PR Twitter, originally seen on Silicon Republic.
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"….in Esperance, Western Australia." OK, so it doesn't have the rhyme like the Beach Boys classic song. But this video DOES have SURFING DOLPHIN ACTION! Jennene & Dave Riggs took this video with a quadcopter. (Boing Boing.)
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"Gunner the Golden Retriever Puppeh, hanging out with his best friend Delta the Dolphin. This photo was taken at the Dolphin Research Center in Marathon, Florida. I work here and bring him regularly. Gunner and Delta have become best friends!" -Marie B.
This one came zooming in from Erich D. in Florida, who saw it on The Facebook. But we couldn't use THAT link 'cuz it wasn't gonna work or…something. Of course, one quicko search on The YouTube and here we are! Since it happens to be the first day of Dolphin Awareness Month, let's roll that video!
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Despite what Captain Kirk would tell you…our ocean is truly the final frontier. If we don't take care of it, we won't get another one to take its place.
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This shot of Anemone Shrimp was taken in Puerto Galera in the Philippines by Beth Watson. It was the winning picture in the RSMAS macro category.
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Combing thru the massive CO computer database (A Google Calendar with a lot of dates typed in) we find that today happens to be a CONFLUENCE of three happy occasions.
It's the beginning of Dolphin Awareness Month, and it's also National Pig Day and National Horse Protection Day!
We have to give plenty of love today to our Cute Friends, whether they swim, gallop, or grunt! So the next Dolphin, Horseh or Piggeh U see, give 'em a high
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February 17, 2010
General Mills of Covington presented $170,000 worth of grants to schools and organizations in Newton and Rockdale counties and surrounding areas. Pictured, from left, are Brenda Bennett, Advertising Director at the Citizen newspapers; Kathy Garber, Newton County School System grant coordinator; and General Mills representatives Katrina Young and Mark Bible.
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Used the 3 in 1 pattern from Wood Magazine. Changed it up a bit. The top has a double curve, the sides have slats instead of panels, the top rail of the sides is curved instead of flat, the bottom stile is a framed raised panel instead of a solid board. The top front stile mimics the curve of the headboard. And different bed rail hangers to put the whole affair together. Other than that it is an exact copy of the Wood design ;-) The carving is my CNC router.
Cherry havested from trees from my brothers woodlot. 2 coats of Watco natural, then 5 coats of a homemade poly wiping varnish rubbed down with 0000 steel wool between coats. Not a built up finish but a nice soft glow.
I started the day my daughter told me she was having a baby and finished up and delivered it to their house 4 days before she delivered. Nature waits for no woodworker. By the looks of the last picture I should have made a smaller crib or my daughter a bigger baby.
You may have noticed that the title says this is my second crib. My first was a more true copy of the Wood mag. design for my first grandchild but I had commissioned a carving on the headboard based on a print that we had and that may or may not be copyright issue. I'll leave it at that. I changed up the hangers for assembly because the original design used connector bolts and barrel nuts. A huge pain in the back side. My design snaps together in less than 5 minutes and is rock solid.
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#1 posted 06-21-2012 03:21 AM
All the personal touches look great! I'm making mine based loosely on the same plans right now. How did you attach the sides to the headboard and footboard?
-- Brian
#2 posted 06-21-2012 10:48 AM
Great job on all of them, and contrats to the new grand-baby!!!!!
-- Ken, "Everyday above ground is a good day!"
#3 posted 06-21-2012 03:15 PM
This is a great project. My daughter was just born in May but I was so wrapped up in a renovation project, I couldn't build her a crib… there will be plenty of projects for her coming up though! Again… great job!
-- Chris G. ; Los Angeles, CA
#4 posted 06-25-2012 12:56 PM
I used the heavy duty wrought Steel bed rail fasteners from Rockler. If you notice on the side view that there are rails on the sides. This is a change I made to the original design. The fasteners hook part are mortised into the side rail right where the bottom style is mortised into he rail. If you look closely there are connector bolts right underneath the top style. That keeps the sides from becoming disconnected. You can also see the threaded inserts for the connector bolts in the headboard in the full bed view. A crib mattress is 52 inches wide while a full size mattress is 54 inches. To accommodate the full size mattress and not to leave a dangerous gap when a crib I set the crib sides inward for a tight fit. Then to accommodate the larger mattress when a bed I had a local welder weld 1 1/4 inches on the sides of another pair of hook ends and put them on the end of the full size rails. That way the rails are offset 1 1/4 inches outward
#5 posted 01-04-2013 12:43 AM
A very nice build.
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#6 posted 01-07-2013 03:42 PM
I noticed that you used a solid panel in the headboard vs the plywood as the plan calls for. I am getting ready to start on the Wood Magazine 3 in 1 crib and also want to use a solid panel in the headboard. Were you concerned about wood movement? Since the laminated top rail is called out to be screwed into the legs I have been a little concerned. How did you go about attaching the panel and the laminated top rail?
#7 posted 01-29-2013 07:50 PM
qball I wasn't too concerned about the movement. The grain is pretty much going in the same direction for 97% of the board so I don't believe that there will be all that much difference in their expansion and contraction. The laminated top rail is glued up six ways from Sunday and not going anywhere. The solid board is mortise and tenon into the legs but what little bit of cross grain you have at the ends I believe the movement will be negligible. The framed raised panels I did on the bottom in place of the solid board/plywood are free floating. I use those small urethane balls that you put in the groove between the rails/stiles and the raised panel to keep them from rattling and keep them centered.
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- On private beach
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- Year Built 1990
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- Family Hotel
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- Premium TV channels
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INTERNATIONAL - Onsite buffet restaurant.
MARRAKECH - This theme restaurant serves dinner only.
LE TOQ - This fine-dining restaurant serves dinner only.
ROMA - This theme restaurant serves dinner only.
ESPADON - This restaurant specializes in seafood and serves dinner only.
24-hour room service is available.
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Minimum check-in age is 18
Check-in time starts at 2 PM
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Government-issued photo identification and a credit card or cash deposit are required at check-in for incidental charges.
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges. Special requests cannot be guaranteed.
- A tax is imposed by the city: EUR 1.70 per person, per night
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Children 2 years old and younger stay free when occupying the parent or guardian's room, using existing bedding. Only registered guests are allowed in the guestrooms.


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Novice Member
Joined: 7/22/10
Invest in NCSoft.
Pretty much the safest bet in publishers at the moment. GW2 will be big once people get wind of it. The fact is, i've yet to see a naysayer that wasn't just misinformed about the game or talking about something we simply don't know about yet. Each mechanic announced so far seems to have been honed to perfection.
Off the top of my head, the only nitpick i can think of is that the world isn't one continuous world, it has zones (each one is pretty big though, roughly 4-6 times the size of the biggest GW1 maps). But then again, what MMO's are these days?
The second nitpick for some is the *rumour* of exp scrolls. But GW1 had exp scrolls in game too, they simply don't make much difference in guild wars, as levelling is not such a big deal. The levelling curve is flat after level 20 at around 90 minutes a level and levelling only serves the purpose of semi-gating content. I say semi as you can still go to harder areas and you'll be somewhat boosted so that you and a few friends can still play in that area for a 'challenge'. The developers have even said it's one of the ways players can seek 'challenging' content in the open world apart from elite events on Orr ect. Unless the scrolls are offensively good, like a 100% boost, i doubt anyone is going to mind. I'd compare it to a less powerful version of the exp boosters in LoL.
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Joined: 7/13/04
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Originally posted by Paragus1
I think they might be counting box sales for the first complete 30 days. Judging by SWTOR's server pop going down, I think that box sales had a huge drop after christmas and the game is no longer growing - which I assume must be below expectations.
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Joined: 1/08/12
You guys are making this way to complicated. EA never came out with a number, nor a baseline expectation. The investor groups pitching it, like Pratcher of Wedbush Securities, did. Who has been EA's staunch pitch man.
He was the one who sold investors the pitch that SWTOR could earn $80 million in profit with at least 3-4 million sales and a 1.5 million subscription base. Then Activision's CEO and a few other CEO's (Bigpoints for example) threw a few elbows at investors trying to scare some off with the whole (only Lucas will make money argument). This was at a time, EA needed more cash because the budget for SWTOR was already exceeding the $80 million mark and the only way to justify more expenses was the promise of big returns.. THose investors who bought the pitch are now panicking, those who didn't are now circling like sharks to take out Riccitiello.
This is just kabuki theater till the hard numbers come in.
Joined: 8/04/09
Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Yeah, because just what the market needs is another sword and fairy game right?!
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Joined: 12/14/11
Originally posted by TUX426
I dont see a problem with it. Kinda just seems like Star Wars is nothing more than a wizard with a sword. People using guns is no different than a bow, just skined differently. IDK though, havent touched this game nor do i plan to. Always been a huge fan and supporter of mass pvp.
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Joined: 2/24/07
MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
I dont think the person would have an agenda, but where is his polling for the "churn".
I would think the person was checking out comments on the Internet.....namely Metacritic and possibly this site. If so, I would be thinking the game is gonna die as well.
Which is why what has been going on with this forum is BS. Some of the folks in this thread are the same individuals that have done nothing but whine for months now. Some of you really need to STFU. As a PVE game, I am having a blast in TOR. If it doesnt fit your style, find something else to play.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
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Joined: 4/19/09
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Originally posted by Moaky07
I doubt it. These guys are pretty good at what they do. There's a reason people pay attention to them so much. Granted that isn't to say they aren't ever wrong.
Really don't think that is the case though here. As I said before some people's expectations over this whole affair were simply completely unrealistic.
As I said before though I'm actually not bashing the game nor am I even referring to this game being a bust or failure. The reality though is that this game is not going to be the huge success some planned on least not anytime soon outside of the initial sale burst. It isn't going to be a complete failure like some are hoping for either.
It will do well and over time it could even have a really enormous player base and retention rate pending on how EA and BW handle matters. Simply isn't going to happen overnight or as quickly as some assumed it would.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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Joined: 1/08/12
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Spot on. They just oversold it and reality is settling in.
Moaky, this has less to do with the game but more the industry itself. SWTOR fans mistake people who want to see the industry turn toward something new as an attack on the game. In fact, there are two camps. Those who are fans of other games and don't want to see their base dry up. Then there is camp two, those who don't wan't to see EA or Activision continue to keep a stale old format like WOW and SWTOR as a cash cow, because it siphons off investments away from more innovative game designs.
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Joined: 1/17/07
Originally posted by Qazaam
Pre-launch analysts were increasing their expectations based in part on: EA saying vast numbers had signed up again for the beta, Amazon pre-orders was another I saw - all sorts of 'hard info' (cough). 2 million initial with a further 1 million sales abounded (not with all analysts though). And initial sales drive subs. The analysts will have assumed some churn numbers - say 50% after the 1st month dropping to 25% say after 3 months. So if SWToR has only sold 1M (say) then they are now seeing 250k after 3 months; if they had assumed 2M initial rising to 3M sales after 3 months then they could have had 750k after 3 months - whatever. So sales drive subs. So it does look like analysts 'pulling back'.
Now based on what EA said about Q3 (at the time of their Q2 results) I estimated that EA were only expecting c. 1.6M sales. I am not going to redo the sums but EA clearly said they expected to make $33M less in Q3 as a result of SWToR launching late.(10c a share less, c. 330M shares). Source: EA investors page e.g.
Now subs fall outside EA's Q3 so if they were expecting $33M less profit this was due to fewer box/digital sales. Based on another analysts post - $60M profit from 2M sales - that would be 1M fewer sales.
as a result of fewer box sales. Amd if the analyst who predicted $60M profit from 2M sales (i.e. average profit $30 a sale) then EA clearly said that they expected to sell 1M less. They didn't add many new servers either so I suspect their expectations were pretty accurate. (Quick note: box sales to retailers will be higher than box sales to end customers and EA should get paid for all them regardless, digital sales are all direct to end customers).
So sales matter.
Looks like analyst pull back - for those analysts who got carried away.
Haven't seen Bioware claim 2M sales .....
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Originally posted by ComfyChair
Actually you want to know a company to consider investing in? Probably going to sound hilarious coming from me but Funcom. That's right I said it. Me...the person that spent many posts pointing out how much of a fuckup they were with AoC.
Why do I say this? Because if...and I stress if...their new game ends up being a sleeper hit it could be a game that really gathers some steam. Add to the fact that they have such a bad wrap from their past business dealings you could make an argument they may even be a bit undervalued at this point. The potential is there anyways.
Assuming they don't have their heads completely up their asses this time like they did with AoC. Time will tell and I haven't played the game yet so no telling what condition it is in or if Funcom may have finally learned what management and customer service means yet but I'm putting it out there now that the potential is there.
Now watch, ten to one those assholes make me regret ever posting this.
There's a lot there with that game though if they actually pull it off and the game is polished. Could really catch on with players due to how they're handling gameplay, skills, factions, and the genre in use as the backdrop for the game.
Then again all one has to say is "but its Funcom". And really...much as I would love to can't really argue with them haha. Although that could very well be a reason if they do pull this off some investors are going to be dances of joy from now until doomsday. Least monetarily speaking anyways.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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Joined: 1/01/06
i dont know if it has been said yet here in the forums. but i was not about to read someones novel length reply.
george lucas announced yesterday that he will not be making any more starwars/mainstream movies. his latest film is his
last and then he is moving on to arthouse stuff. his reasons: fan bois getting on his nerve for the past 10 years or more.
so that is also another possibility of why shares have dropped
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Joined: 1/17/07
Originally posted by Bunks
Agree Bunks.
Add the fact that the game cost EA a % of the $620M that they paid for Bioware/Pandemic (an investment sure but only 12 games so far and Pandemic 'absorbed' - EA now has debt that is costing money) and questions may well be asked. And it cost EA shareholders even more of course - the stock options taking the headline figure to $860M.
As I said above though EA themselves, I believe, were much more conservative than Pratcher. What happens owever if SWToR gets less than the 500k subs it needs to be substantially profitable? As you say until the hard numbers come out around the end of the month we won't know. How much will EA say?
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Joined: 9/20/06
Originally posted by Creslin321
Yes but the stock rallied in the afternoon. It's a typical graph for a falling stock. Down a lot then recover a bit. The pattern I see there is that the share price will fall even further tomorrow on fears of a big drop in player numbers for SWTOR's first subcription date. After that, it depends what EA comes up with to placate the markets.
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Joined: 6/25/10
Originally posted by gervaise1
Actually the number of paid subscribers on January 21 is less important than the number on February 21 or March 21.
The 500k subs if an accurate target, has to be the permanent substained number. If the number on January 21st is 100k there will of course be a big concern with the stockholders. If the number is 500k the reaction will be neutral since the game is new. The important number will be the trend over a few months.
If we beleive the EA press, 100k paid subscriptions at the end of January will be a 10% retention rate and the 500k number is a 50% retention rate. SWG had a major redesign due to a 20% retention rate being seen as a failure and in the first year WoW had a 70-80% retention rate was an unexpected success.
If SW:TOR can maintain a 50% retention rate in the long term I feel that financially they are doing ok as long as they can maintain the initial sales.
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Joined: 10/03/06
Who didn't see this coming? Buy stock long before the MMO releases and even before beta is announced, as hype increases so do the expectations(OMG SWTOR will beat Wow!), then wait until near launch or the end of the first month to hold it or sell. By waiting until the end of the first month you will get a clear picture of whether the game is a smash hit or another 3 month and done, unless of course you got strong feelings from beta. Take a look and you'll see that EA's stock peaked right after the Thanksgiving beta weekend with the 2 million signed up for beta, 750k played, etc. That alone might have been enough to tip some investor's hands since it wasn't the 3-4 million people.
The last straw from some investors might have been the luke warm player reception of the game or Biowares bungling of post-launch. So now they are dumping the stock as it doesn't look like EA is going to be raking in cash hand over fist.
One thing everyone should watch though is Bioware getting downsized. If investors aren't happy you can bet that Bioware will be slammed with budget cuts and thus will be losing a good portion of their team. The same thing happened with WAR. They will try to be sneaky and call it normal post-launch downsizing. After Feb 1st(conference call) keep a look out for it about a month later.
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Joined: 6/13/10
I hoped this game would be a success.Heck I even spent $60 for the game. Listening to thousands of voices giving their input on a game is not easy. Knowing your game is not finished and there is nothing for 50 levels to do is something even I can do(yet Biowares high paid decision makers can't).
Knowing RVR on illum isn't finised and playable takes a 3 minute phone call to the team responsible....and it wasen't made...or worse yet the decision maker decided it wasen't important enough to finish at or right after launch.
Enough already ............ time to walk away from this incomplete broken game and look forward.
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Joined: 10/05/03
Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.
Originally posted by Shadanwolf
Well, I am still enjoying it as a single player game. Not sure for how long though but it is good that some people have noticed the SW:TOR is a subpar MMORPG.
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Joined: 9/26/04
EA still have quite a bit of wiggle room, I think.
Q4 closed at end December, so all the goodness of the initial sales rush is in there. Those numbers have yet to be released, and EA will play them for all it's worth.
You can expect pretty good numbers for Q4. But of course, "pretty good numbers" mean jack if the expectations were that they were going to be "absolutely staggering numbers". If the market expected 3M total sales, and they sold only 1.5M, they will still get hammered.
I'm not sure that they have to divulge any hard numbers regarding SWTOR's performance until the end of the Q1 2012 (i.e. April). So perhaps they have time to plug the holes and bail out the water. Isn't there a major update set for March ? If so, the timing would be just about right.
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ToR fell well below the hype they created,so it's to be expected.
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"The internet is a series of tubes."
So a broker thinks the game is going to sell far more than EA needs to be successful and then therfor has concerns about it not being successful even though it hits all of EAs numbers and more for it to be a success to them?!!? Seriously confused at what that stock broker was smoking.


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