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Back in the old days, being social in an MMO wasn't merely for fun but was a necessity. Then things changed. But the pendulum swings yet again and MMOs are becoming increasingly social out of need. In today's Social Hub, we take a look at Guild Wars 2 and Rift, two games that are bringing back old school social gaming. Check it out and then head to the comments.
Read more of Christina Gonzalez's The Social Hub: GW2 and Rift - More Social or Just Different?
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Joined: 8/07/11
GW2 socialist.
Great post. I agree that one of the big bonuses of new systems is how they allow for newer players to join the fun, and isn't that what it's about? Too many people act like MMOs are their personal property or the plaything of elitist jerks who only care who yells the loudest on Vent. The fact that there is no mob-tagging does not cancel out the ability to group up, just the need to. I've been in plenty of world map groups in GW2 just because it's fun to have a goal and meet that goal, but whenI felt like playing alone, I could do it just as fluidly and without sacrificing xp or fun.
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Joined: 4/01/11
Ahh devil ether.
I pretty much only social map chat when I'm drunk. But maybe that's just a reflection on me :)
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Joined: 7/02/08
These games have the appearance of being more social, but it's nothing more than that. It's very different from the actual social interaction and player interrelationships that were required in older games.
GW2 and RIFT are games that you play AROUND other players, not WITH other players. There's a big difference.
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Joined: 2/09/13
Great text.
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Joined: 3/21/13
Originally posted by Rohn
I completely agree with Rohn. I hate to say it but WOW was the last game I was actually social in. I don't see any of the recent games doing that.
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Joined: 3/18/10
There is nothing wrong with games like these necessarily, but even Rift which I consider more social than GW2, had too much more solo content than group content.
In the Rift betas the rifts were different than they were at release. They were a great way to level. In one of the later betas they added auto grouping. You would often end up grouping with other rifters (people who didn't really want to quest) and bouncing around to different rifts in the zone.
Then at release they nerfed rifting to the point that it was horrible xp and horrible rewards and everyone returned to the centuries old boring ass quest hub zerg to endgame.
The real issue though is that even if they hadn't nerfed rifting, that would have gotten old at some point and as such the game and all of the games released in the past 10 years or so are nowhere near equal parts grouping and solo. Its more along the lines of 10% grouping and 90% soloing, and 99% of that group content is tucked into instances.
Then SWTOR came along and retuned small areas of their game to be about grouping. Maybe, and I stress MAYBE they got up to 20% group content .. but in the end the rewards were horrible, and the mobs were pretty much all duoable.
All of this is fine. For a lot of people. Many people want a different kind of game though. You can call us jaded all you want if that label helps you look past the deficiencies in group content, but all we want is a game that doesn't cater 90% of their game to a playstyle we can just as easily get on a console game.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
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Joined: 11/22/05
I don't see how removing the need to be social makes gw2 a social mmo. Standing next to someone killing the same thing isn't my idea of being social. They removed the need to group so everyone can get involved. They also removed the need to talk to each other and you could feel it when you play.
You go from one event to the next and join the herd. you never, ever needed to talk to anyone for any reason.
That may improve the game play for the antisocial player but I dont' think it improved the social aspect of mmos.
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Joined: 1/21/12
Originally posted by LordSneerg
agree with both of you guys
I never felt any need to socialize in gw2. Given my playstyle was limited to wvwvw pvp only. In wvwvwpvp the onky thing you needed to do was follow the zerg and mash buttons. So when does this come to ps3 again?
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Joined: 5/12/10
Well-written column. I don't agree with the first part :) I'm a huge supporter of options, so I don't think the removal of forced grouping is / was a bad thing.
I do agree with the second part though. Every playerbase is as much social as the individuals each in that playerbase needing it. It seems nowadays a big part of the current playerbase don't need the former social aspects of the games. And the solution is not to force them into grouping because back in the days we had fun that way.
(on a sidenote I'm pretty sure it was more the lack of games and the hefty amount of free time at our side than forced grouping, simply the playerbase of the early games were more tied to the games and to the community. I personally had lots of buddies I've met only on global and not via forced grouping.)
So I think Christina's right with the "differently social" part. While players can still socialize in today's games with rp or chat / voice, the games should adapt as well to help the new kind of players. Dynamic events, open tapping and stuff seem to work - in a way. Of course it's not the social level we saw years ago, but it's better than nothing. And the option is still there for forming guilds, holding player-run events, etc., veteran players could help in that area a lot if they take an active part at the community.
Forced grouping is not some kinda secret weapon that devs should just pop back in games and with a flip everybody will be socializing again...
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Joined: 1/21/12
I think there is a big mistake in the case of "socializing".
Most ppl thinks that in order to socialize you need to have hard quests or events that require more than one person to achieve something. Grouping or gathering too many ppl in a specific place is not enough reason to make you socialize with others. Anyway in most mmo's you have tools like LFR/LFD/LFG that makes it for you. That's not the point at all.
In my opinion and in my experience, the socialization comes when a mmo is deep. When you have many choices to build classes. Choices that matters and not copy paste specs. When you spent hours with others chatting about your class and how it will perform better.
Socialization comes also when you have sophisticated raids and bosses to encounter. When you gather with others, watching videos and talking about plans and ways to overcome the fight. Not just zerging like a bunch of fools, but like a skilled player who has a role and tries to fulfill it.
Anyway that's my opinion about socialization in a mmo. I socialize when I have to discuss something and not when I want just to group with others.
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Joined: 3/17/13
Originally posted by LordSneerg
agree with both of you guys. socializing means interacting with others and in rift or gw2 these open world events don't require such and no one interacts. they are not social at all.
i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
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Joined: 7/02/05
All I can say is in older MMOs, even as a player that never joins guilds , I used to meet people and on occasion make lasting friendships. These days, nada.
Is it because the group finding mechanics have changed? Is it because most of the content is soloable? Is it because the MMO player has changed? It's probably a mix of all three.
Edit: I just thought of another possible explanation. Back in the early days of MMOs, the internet was still in its infancy. People still treated each other online the same way they did offline, with respect and courtesy (in most cases). Now the internet culture has evolved. People don't give a shit about being polite and respectful anymore, most "normal" social behaviours have been tossed out the window by now in the virtual world.
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Joined: 2/20/12
Originally posted by Pie_Rat
yea i'd say it's all three.. also the MMO market is HUGE compared to what it was a decade ago.. you had a much smaller more dedicated players overall.. nowadays there are just so many games i could never get locked into just a single game..
As long as a game encourages playing with others I'm happy. I have no issues being social in any game so i don't need forced mechanics. I just really enjoy when pve is based more around cooperation instead of competition
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First, stop giving a voice to "microscope of the jaded". They have a loud enough voice as it is.
You, and some others, remember forced grouping design as an original social concept in mmos, but that wasn't how games originally worked. It started with EQ, but Lineage and UO offered content that could be grouped or solo'd. People grouped in those games for protection and a greater chance for survival. People could also solo or duo in those games just as well. Gear, spells, skills, and drops weren't segregated into "group/raid" and "solo". There was just a game to play any way you wanted with a bonus, you had others to play with. You were playing both along side of and with others.
Fast forward to today and we have forced grouping as the default paradigm due mainly to the wild success of WoW where group instances and raiding were the focus of the game.
Rift tried to solve the problem with open grouping, which helped to an extent, but it still heavily relied on standard group mechanics for most content. They have smoothed that out some with the way their zone events now function, but it's still heavily rooted in the old rote.
GW2 actually broke that paradigm with open tapping and how loot and xp are distributed. You can play alongside others, independent of their actions. You can also play with them, supporting them, participating in combos, and using teamwork. It's the players choice for once and it works great.
When I see other players and mobs in GW2 I help them without a thought. When I see other players in Tera, for example, I think, "Hey, I better be careful not to tap first." Or "Should I send them a group invite? If I do that will I end up having to follow their quest chain. Will they be one of those needy people that latches onto someone." The interesting thing is that LotRO recently adopted an open tapping system and it has worked great. No longer do I worry about ruining someones xp or drops, but I can also help them. It's just a more friendly system.
In all I've met some people over the last 12 years of online gaming that have become very close acquaintances or friends, but never has that been because of the forced grouping mechanic. It's always been because we clicked while chatting in town or out adventuring, something I've been able to do in any mmo I've played.
TL;DR: Social interaction existed before forced grouping, and will continue to exist outside of it. The desire to impose forced grouping lies outside of the desire for social, but that's a discussion for another day.
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I found Rift to be one of the least social MMOs.
Rifts, invasions, and IAs are soloing with people around you. You see them, they are in your group, but they dont interact with you even if you try and are basically NPCs.
However, this isnt all Rifts fault, a lot of it is the players. You can try to strike up a conversation but good luck getting a reply.
The trend towards games where you are constantly in motion or hitting an ability or dodging an attack has really crippled socilaizing. you cant afford to chat. Since downtime is long gone so is most socializing among strangers.
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Joined: 10/04/11
I think when people use the term "forced grouping", they dont mean games that make you group in order to accomplish anything,.
What it means to me is : Content that requires organization and communication should always yeild more and better rewards than content that can be completed solo.
Grouping should always be the best exp, and the best loot. You can have solo content, but that content should only allow your character to sustain it;s sefl and should bever be the fastest path to completion.
Allow players to come together on their own when they are faced with challenges that they cannot complete by them selfs, or temp them with rewards that require you to team up with others to complete..
Simple solution .. older games did it just fine, new games have lost sight of it.
The way mmo's were: Community, Exploration, Character Development, Conquest.
The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, solo Questing, Cut-Scenes...
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Originally posted by Torvaldr
Yhe I just noticed that about Lotro too since I have gone back to the game recently. I found that interesting and I wonder when and why they decided to put that in. I also can't stand Tera's tap system of whoever does the most damage, or it's something along those lines. There has been a couple of times where I was solo'ing a BAM with my warrior and some random caster type would start beating on the same BAM as me which throws me off of the rhythm of the fight becuase the BAM would change it's facing and attacks to react to teh new person. This of course has gotten me killed a couple of times and then they just finish off the BAM that I already took a nice chunk out of.
Some games I wish they either go all or nothing with their tap system
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Originally posted by Torvaldr
My thoughts exactly. That was the most alienating thing in LotRO for years... Once I rode through Angmar and saw a player with a wrong pull, only seconds from defeat so I hopped off, healed him and pull off 2 adds. After they're gone he cursed at me for why interfering, he got less xp... After that (until this late open tapping change with Rohan) I never helped anybody random unless it was explicitly asked. Open tapping is a nice addition and makes the in-game world a much friendlier place.


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I am having breast augmentation, a tummy tuck, and liposuction.
How Long Should I Expect to Have Surgical Drains After Mommy Makeover Surgery?
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Drains and Tummy Tucks
More recently, 'drain free' surgery has become more popular. Fat layer is sutured down to the muscle layer starting at the ribs and progressively down to the lower incision. This makes the space for the fluid to collect much smaller, and in many patients can have surgery without drains. However, I have seen multiple patients come from other surgeons because they developed a seroma despite the suturing of the tissue. This is not the surgeon's fault, but some patients just do not heal fast enough or put out too much fluid for the body to absorb.
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Drains Are Used Following a Tummy Tuck & are Usually Left in Place for 7-14 Days Following Surgery
Drains are frequently used in the post-operative period in mommy makeover patients to minimize the potential for seroma formation. Drains are typically not used with breast surgery, but are used after abdominoplasty. Drains are usually left in place for 7 to 14 days following surgery. They are usually removed when drainage drops below 25cc per 24 hours.
The management of surgical drainage varies from patient to patient. Each patient has unique surgical anatomy and surgical procedures are modified for each individual patient for these reasons. In addition each surgeon has his own drain protocols.
In some patients, drainage may persist for longer periods of time, especially if patients are physically active. Patients are usually eager to get their drains removed and sometimes pressure their surgeon to remove them. When drains are removed to early, there may be an increased complication rate. This might result in seroma formations with resultant infection and wound breakdown. Under these circumstances seromas may require multiple aspirations or replacement of the drain. Although drains seem to be a major nuisance, they serve as a very important function in most mommy makeover patients.
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Drains after tummy tuck
I also like to use a pain pump. This infuses local anesthetic onto the abdominal wall and can help with some early postoperative pain. This is removed within the first week.
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Drains after mommy makeover
I tell my abdominoplasty patients to expect to have their drains in place for at least a week. Typically the decision to remove drains is not dogmatic and based on an arbitrary time schedule, rather it is based upon how much fluid is draining out of them. Classically we like to see 30 cc or less per drain per 24 hours before removal. Sometimes liposuction with tummy tuck can increase the drainage and hence the time that the drains will stay in place.
I don't usually use any drains following a mommy make over surgery.
I have never used drains following breast surgery but over the past two years I have stopped using drains following abdominal surgery also. I believe the patients are much happier now not having to deal with emptying them and carrying them around. I believe my seroma rates have been lower now that I have stopped using drains.
I do not use drains for breast lifts or breast augmentation. I use drains for the tummy tucks. They usually stay for about 3-7 days.
Mommy Makeover Drains from the Tummy Tuck Removed Usually by Day 3
Thank you for your question. Drains are rarely used in the Breast after Breast Augmnetation or Breast Lift.
Typically drains are used after the Tummy Tuck Portion of the Mommy Makeover. Most plastic Surgeons leave drains in until less than 25 cc (less than an ounce) of fluid comes out of each drain in a 24 hour period.
In some people this is one day and others can take longer if there is a lot of fluid coming out. An average is about 3 days.
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1) Once again, conference expansion is all about clarifying and solidifying power relationships
Before this latest round of expansion news, it was fairly clear that: BYU was the power program in the Mountain West; the Mountain West was the king of the non-AQ league; and the main power players in the WAC were Fresno, Hawaii and Nevada. Fast-forward, and Fresno and Nevada have solidified their position by upgrading their league, BYU has reinforced their position by making a power play at being independent, and it turns out Hawaii wasn't that powerful after all (more on that later).
By poaching Boise, Fresno and Nevada from the WAC, the Mountain West has solidified its position as the only non-AQ league that matters, and made it clear to everyone that the WAC no longer matters. This means that the non-Hawaii programs, which had already not been powerful, were put into a position reflecting their inherent lack of power. Hawaii seemed like it might have been in a position of power, but as it turns out, that power was largely a mirage. And this also means that the Mountain West harnessed its own power as the strongest non-AQ league by finding a way to reinforce that status. If they then go on to poach some combination of Houston, Tulsa and UTEP (maybe SMU goes into the mix, though I doubt it) from C-USA, it will only further reinforce their power base.
And BYU, at the end of the day, will have either built on their power base by going independent in football and harnessing their TV network and large following, or will have struck a deal with the Mountain West that somehow reinforces their status as the "big dog" of the league (which they are).
And this is the same thing that's been happening throughout the entire process. The Big Ten built on their power base of tradition and money by bringing along Nebraska, who built on their power base of tradition and their fanbase by finding a strong, permanent home. The Pac-10 built on their power base as the pre-eminent Western conference by poaching Colorado from the Big 12 and Utah from the Mountain West. The Big 12 was exposed as basically being Nebraska, the teams the Pac-10 wanted, and a bunch of extras. And in that league, Texas has reinforced their power base through a (supposed) contract that will guarantee them the most money in the league (along with Oklahoma and A&M), while completely keeping their options open in the future (the Pac-10 is still interested, the SEC is still interested, and the Big Ten is at least arguably still interested).
In almost every case, programs are moving towards statuses that more accurately reflect their real power level. In no case has a program jumped up that didn't have something that backed it up, and in no case has a program gotten the shaft where it just didn't make sense (Hawaii is an interesting case, again, more below).
And this is a process that is likely to continue. The Mountain West still has at least one spot open if they want to hit 12 teams and stage a championship game, and it's extremely likely they'll fill that spot from C-USA (both to deal another blow to that league and to reinforce their presence in Texas). The Big Ten may still be interested in expansion, and have their pick of any Big East team they may want, and arguably any ACC team they want (do you really think that, if push came to shove, Maryland or Virginia would say no, for instance?). The Big 12 remains unstable, and Texas A&M is still at least somewhat interested in making a move to the SEC. And the list goes on.
Ultimately, college football is a valuable property, and there is legitimate public interest in consolidation (despite the complaining by many commentators who are made to feel icky by the process). The public remains interested in a playoff system, and an increase in good regular season games.
As far as good regular season games go, Boise, Fresno and Nevada to the Mountain West means more Boise-Wyoming, Fresno-Colorado St and Nevada-SD St matchups, which not fantastic are still light-years better than Boise-NM St, Fresno-Utah St or Nevada-SJ St. And, of course, we're going to see Boise-TCU, Fresno-Houston (I'd guess), and Nevada-Air Force more regularly, which are nice upgrades over previously regularly scheduled programming.
In addition, the fact remains that the ONLY way to put together a sensible, reasonable playoff structure is to consolidate power. If you want to do (for instance) a 12-team playoff, then you'd pretty much need to do auto-bids to some degree. The SEC, Big Ten, etc. would insist on guaranteed regular access, and you'd also want it simply to create less of an incentive for everyone to try to game their schedules to make the playoff.
But you can't just give everyone an auto-bid; it's idiotic to give one to the MAC, Sun Belt, etc. given that they never have teams that belong on a legitimate top 12 list, and clearly don't have the fanbases to drive interest in seeing them in such competitions. This means that realistically, you simply have to consolidate power to create a clear set of haves and have-nots. Whether that means further conference realignment like we've already seen, or a wholesale movement among the top 40 – 80 schools to ditch the NCAA and form a new organization, I don't know, but it's going to be one of those paths sooner or later.
2) The Mountain West will be a winner in this round, regardless of BYU's decision, regardless of AQ status
Remember that last point I made above, about consolidation being inevitable? Well, the Mountain West has just strongly consolidated their power. And by doing so, they struck a death blow to the WAC and will likely deal a major blow to C-USA in the near future. As a (presumed) consequence, the list of conferences that matter will clearly be down to seven.
Why does this matter? Think about this question: can you make a 12-team playoff with seven auto-bids and five at-large bids? The answer is yes. What that means is that THE MOST IMPORTANT consequence of this move (and the presumed C-USA raid) is that it becomes at least theoretically feasible to create a sensible playoff structure without having to bail on the NCAA.
Certainly, there would be difficulties involved in the process (resistance from the "have-not" leagues, whether or not the "have" leagues would all be forced to expand to 12 teams, etc.), but the relevant point is that it starts to at least maybe be feasible. And since, of the seven remaining relevant leagues, the Mountain West would still be the least powerful, by providing this possibility, they increase their chances of either forestalling a mass exodus or at least making it more likely they get invited to come along. This means that they will have made serious progress in fulfilling their #1 priority, not getting left behind in whatever the next set of moves turns out to be.
I won't lie: they're nowhere near a guarantee of getting a seat at the table. For instance, the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Pac-10 and Big 12 could decide by themselves to bail, bringing along a few independents (perhaps just Notre Dame, BYU, and a couple Big East teams, or perhaps more). But by making these moves, the Mountain West will have seriously increased the gap between themselves and every other non-AQ league, making it more politically difficult to exclude them if there is going to be fundamental change to the structure of college football. This is especially true if they are able to keep BYU in the fold, which is why I strongly expect them to make meaningful concessions to BYU before the Cougars make a final decision. Whether BYU accepts is another matter (see below), but I expect the Mountain West to do everything they can to make that happen.
And if there isn't going to be fundamental change to the structure of college football, the Mountain West should still benefit. Even if they don't get AQ status (I'm guessing they don't, at least for now), by creating a bigger gap between themselves and the rest of the non-AQ's they should be able to force the BCS to revise the revenue-sharing arrangements to at least let the Mountain West get a full share of BCS revenue in the years that they do make the party, as opposed to being forced to give most of it away to the other non-AQ leagues, as the BCS has currently set things up. And, even without either BYU or an auto-bid, there is a good chance that they would get BCS bids at least 50% of the time. Keeping a full paycheck 50% or more of the time is still much better than their current setup. Not the win they've been hoping for, of course, but still a nice step in the right direction for them.
3) BYU should have their pick of good options
The simplest solution for BYU is to back down from their original idea of going independent, while extracting some sort of concessions from the rest of the league (most likely the rights to broadcast at least some of their home games on their own network) in exchange for staying in the Mountain West and giving the league more credibility and strength (which it could use in whatever upcoming power plays might be going on in regards to the quest for AQ status, or at least meaningful concessions from the BCS). Personally, I think that this is what will happen in the end.
But if it doesn't, football independence should work out pretty well for BYU. Television is the obvious reason, given that they already have their own personal network set up, and being able to broadcast their own football games on their network would yield a nice revenue increase as well as give them a good avenue to spread their doctrine (which is almost certainly a consideration here as well). It's conceivable that by going independent BYU could end up with a political payoff, as proposed by Frank the Tank ( link here ). But there's more to it than that.
Scheduling should be a big plus for them as well. To be honest, BYU should have the fanbase and the cash to schedule 2:1 or 3:2 with most to all of the current MWC teams. They're also a sufficiently credible program to be able to schedule home for homes or at worst 2:3 deals with many BCS powers, especially on the West Coast (did home and homes with USC, UCLA and Stanford in last decade I believe, and they have done home and homes with a number of other BCS powers over the years, such as Georgia Tech, Boston College, plus a fairly recent 1:2 deal with Notre Dame [ link here ] ).
I doubt Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio St, Michigan or Alabama would do a home and home, but I'm almost certain one of them would sign up for a 2:1 deal if offered (subject to schedule availability of course), and a 3:2 seems at least plausible. And 3:2 deals with programs like Auburn, Miami, West Virginia, Washington etc. seem completely reasonable, and to be honest I could see some thinking about 1:1 deals (Washington is finishing up a 1:1 deal this year, for instance).
What that means is that BYU could essentially make a huge upgrade to the quality of the schedule while still having 6-7 home games a year, with something like (in a given year):
1 home, 1 away vs Utah and a high-end non-AQ (Boise, TCU, etc.) or mid-level AQ (Oregon, Kansas, Illinois, etc.)
2 home, 3 away vs upper-end AQ's (USC, UCLA, Washington, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio St, Texas, Texas A&M, etc.)
2 home, 1 away vs Utah St and mid to low level AQ's
2 home paycheck games
That's a HUGE schedule upgrade vs what they have now, still with 7 home games (and if they did 1:1 deals instead of 2:3 deals sometimes it could be 8 home games). It's the sort of slate where a 10-2 record means that a BCS bid is quite possible, where a 11-1 record means that a BCS bid is a virtual lock, and where a 12-0 record gives a very serious shot at a national title bid (as opposed to now, where it's much more of a reach).
Of course, they don't have to be quite so aggressive, but the point is that they could if they wanted to and still have 7 home games. The reason why they're able to get such a boost is that they no longer have to give home and homes to a bunch of lesser programs in their league (Wyoming, SD St, etc.). Removing that obligation helps them a LOT.
To be honest, I'm not sure which way they go. Personally, I think that they should be able to get a good enough deal with the Mountain West to forgo the risks inherent in going independent (not least of which is the enemies they'd make in the process), but if they did go forward they should be able to turn it into a good situation. Either way, they should emerge from the process a winner, much like Texas did (though again like Texas, they'll take a public relations hit no matter what decision they make).
4) The Mountain West clearly doesn't want Hawaii
The Mountain West has now had a number of chances to bring Hawaii into the fold: when they first left the WAC; when they expanded by grabbing TCU; when they expanded by grabbing Boise; and now, when they expanded by poaching Fresno and Nevada from the WAC. Of those, the first and the last are the most revealing (TCU and Boise were clearly better candidates at the time). The fact that they didn't take Hawaii when or soon after they bailed on the old WAC made it pretty clear that they weren't interested. Over ten years later, with Utah gone and BYU seemingly about to follow, they still didn't want Hawaii, and invited Nevada and Fresno (neither of which are exactly power programs) instead. What makes the message even clearer is that they still have spots left if they want to make 12 teams, and they still didn't go for the Warriors at a time when (if they were interested) it made plenty of sense to make the move.
So why aren't they interested? I'm completely speculating here, but I have to think the main issue is location and travel. For football, being in a league with Hawaii isn't so bad, because the trip can be a fun trip for fans, and the team can (maybe) take an extra day there to make the trip not such a bad thing for them either. But for most other sports, it's a nightmare. For basketball, teams will frequently have a pair of games two or three days apart, which basically means you fly in the day before (and maybe the day of) and fly back the day after the game. Doing that more years than not is extremely unpleasant, and I'm sure there are plenty of other sports that have similar situations (though I admit I haven't researched it).
Compounding the problem is the time zone issue. While the football trip may be fun for fans who make the trek, it's a lot less fun for the rest of the fans, especially if it's a late kickoff, or your school isn't a Pacific Time Zone school, or both. Catching a game on TV against Hawaii can be unpleasant, and it's another hassle for a league to have to deal with.
Ultimately, I think that what happened here is ultimately reflective of what Hawaii will have to deal with going forward. Maybe they can find a way to succeed at being a football independent, finding the right mix of opponents to come to the island, but it's abundantly clear that no good league wants them in all of the other sports, and unless someone invents a teleportation machine soon, that's extremely unlikely to change. The Mountain West isn't interested, the Pac-12 isn't interested, and there are just no other good options out there for Hawaii.
5) The "little guys" can play hardball and be greedy too
This is the flipside of points 1 and 2. When push came to shove, the Mountain West was willing to raid the WAC not once but twice, and Boise, Fresno and Nevada were just as willing to chase money and power as Nebraska, Colorado and Utah were. All programs, big and small alike, are fully willing to chase their own interests regardless of whether it makes you uncomfortable. Just to be clear, I'm fine with this. They should chase their own interests, and as I've argued above, the consolidation of power in college football is a good thing, not a bad thing. But anyone who wants to complain about the "big boys" being greedy and selfish needs to remember that this is true of everyone. There are no self-less "heroes" here. Nor should there be.
6) What was the WAC thinking?
Here's where not having inside sources makes things difficult. Honestly, I don't know where the "BYU to the WAC in everything but football" idea came from. If BYU went to the WAC and said "OK, we're proposing this, and if you say no, then we'll just go to the WCC or elsewhere", then I can't really bash them for this.
But if this is something the WAC actively pursued or helped create, then this was really, really stupid. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the Mountain West would make a play for some WAC teams to put the pressure on BYU to come back to the fold and to make sure the WAC remained way behind. If the WAC actually thought that they could use this to somehow force Boise to come crawling back, or poach teams like SD St, UNLV or (if they really drank their own kool-aid) TCU, then they were incredibly guilty of groupthink and letting wishful thinking drive their decision-making process.
And if they were banking on a mere $5 million keeping Fresno and Nevada from jumping ship… that's pretty naïve. Perhaps that was the most they could get anyone to agree on, but if that was the number they thought would be enough, then they just don't get it. The stakes are way too high, and the consequences way too long-term, to think that $5 million per team is enough of a barrier to keep either school from following their obvious self-interest.
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Everyone gets amazed why so many infidels love Islam specially the leftists and the gays. Quran calls them lowest creatures and worst beasts, (8.55, 98.6) and orders Muslims to slay them unless they convert to Islam (9.5).In a Muslim country you can catch and keep them like a cow (Imam Hamza Misri). Gays are not even given any option; they are to be killed right away. There they are burnt alive, their temples are destroyed, their women are raped but their love for Islam and Muslims does not diminish. They flock to the pro-Palestine marches and shout pro Muslim slogans louder than Muslims themselves.
European infidels are letting Muslims in their countries in droves and offering them their countries in a platter. Forecast is that within a foreseeable future whole Europe will be Muslim majority. Once in minority they will be treated like animals getting burnt and raped They will become like Copts in Egypt , Hindus in Pakistan, Christians in Indonesia, Buddhists in Malaysia, Non-Muslims in Nigeria, Assyrians in Iraq, Zoroastrians in Iran , Buddhists and Sikhs in Afghanistan and animists in Sudan and so on . The Muslims most hated infidels of the most powerful country USA whom Muslims call "Big Satan" elected an Islam loving infidel named Hussain as president who loves azan and declared in UN that future is not for those who insult Mohammad… He filled white house with Muslim brotherhood operatives, is bringing in Muslims from Africa in large numbers and helping Islamists to take over moderate Muslim countries like Egypt, Tunisia and Syria and giving billions of tax payer dollars to America hating groups of Muslim radicals. .
Why are these infidels so deaf dumb and blind and committing a certain suicide. You ask a Muslim He will say "Allah made them like that and they cannot help it". Quran says in aya 2.171 "They are deaf, dumb and blind"
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I've thought about this many times.
The Prime Directive is Star Fleet General Order #1.
But not everybody is in Star Fleet.
You've got civilian folks like Cyrano Jones and Harry Mudd. They can go about mucking up all kinds of planets, either through malice or ignorance.
Also Orions and Ferengi, doing their thing. And then the aggressive empires, Romulans, Klingons, who will put their own interests ahead of any given new world.
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That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet And that's how Shakespeare ties into Carlos Torres. It's time to take a look at Torres and his nasty off-speed pitch, which seems to me to be a slider. But if you go to his FanGraphs page, it shows him throwing four pitches – fastball, cutter, curve and change. Not a slider in sight, or so it would seem. Their breakdown shows 39.7% fastballs, 42.1% cutters, 15.6% curves, 2.6% changes and 0.4% unknown. Meanwhile, MetsBlog declared that Torres, "throws about 30 percent cutters and 30 percent sliders." In his first start of the year, BrooksBaseball broke it down this way: 49 cutters 20 fastballs 6 curves 3 changes 2 sliders 1 sinker For the same game, TexasLeaguers had this breakdown: 25 sliders 21 fastballs 19 cutters 8 changes 6 curves 1 two-seamer So, what the heck is Torres' off-speed pitch? Before we get to that it's important to note that classifying pitches is just as much art as science. It's not like each...
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We urge you to contribute to this campaign by helping to raise funds to pay for the legal costs of Omar's defence. For the last 10 years, his pro bono lawyer Dennis Edney has been working without compensation and paying court costs both in Guantanamo and Canada.
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The Canadian government continues to legitimize the Military Commission which has been internationally condemned and referred to as a "kangaroo court". The Chief Justice of Alberta said in her 2014 ruling about Omar's Guantanamo sentencing: "the evidence against Khadr would have been excluded in a Canadian court. The legal process under which Khadr was held and the evidence elicited from him have been found to have violated both the Charter and international human rights law."
In 2008 our Supreme Court ruled that Omar's constitutional rights were violated in Guantanamo and that he should be repatriated to Canada. The government ignored this decision and continued to demonize, condemn and silence him. To this day, Omar is not allowed to tell his story nor can journalists interview him. The rights of Canadians to know what has transpired have been denied.
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3. A civil court case is underway to sue the Canadian government for violating Omar's constitutional rights and for being complicit in his abuse and mistreatment by the US government.
Our laws, the Charter of Rights and the Constitution apply equally to ALL Canadians. We must not let the government arbitrarily choose which citizens are entitled to those rights and protections. That would undermine our democracy, the equality of citizens and the rule of law. Our country would be changed forever if the government were allowed to practise exclusion.
During the 13 years of Omar's imprisonment there has been political interference at the highest levels, a serious miscarriage of justice has continued and the life of a young person has been terribly abused. The government must stop playing politics with Omar's life and rights as a Canadian citizen. It's time to raise our collective voices for justice, fairness and freedom for Omar Khadr, which can only come through the courts and through the work of lawyers like Dennis Edney.
Every day that Omar remains in prison is a sad commentary on our country. Please visit http://freeomar.ca/ to learn more about Omar's case.
Thank you.
Omar Khadr has been denied the rights and protections provided by our laws, Charter of Rights and Constitution. No government has the right to arbitrarily choose which citizens are entitled to those rights and protections. Our laws apply equally to ALL Canadians. The Canadian government undermines our democracy, the rule of law and the rights of citizens when it practices exclusion.
- is the only person found "guilty" in the death of one of 7,000+ U.S. casualties in the recent Afghanistan and Iraq wars;
- is the only child convicted of a war crime -- by an illegitimate Guantanamo Military Commission unqualified to determine guilt or innocence;
- was forced to take a plea deal as the only option to end his torture and return to Canada;
- is innocent of all charges as they were not legitimate "crimes" under Canadian, U.S. or international law. All evidence supports his innocence;
- is the only former Guantanamo prisoner from the West to remain in captivity in his home country, Canada.
- the charges against Omar Khadr were bogus and could never be upheld by a properly constituted court;
- confessions were extracted from Omar Khadr through the use of torture and other prohibited treatment including threats, beatings, psychological torment, incommunicado and arbitrary detention, prolonged solitary confinement, denial of habeas corpus, denial of the right to legal representation, denial of timely and confidential legal representation, denial of access to a properly constituted, impartial and independent tribunal and denial of fair trial rights;
- Omar Khadr was and is properly presumed to be a 'prisoner of war' and is entitled to the protection of international and Canadian law including the Geneva Conventions;
- Omar Khadr was illegally captured, transported to and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay in violation of all applicable international law and Canadian law;
- Omar Khadr was a 15 year old child at the time of capture and as such was entitled to special protections ensuring all his rights, including his right to liberty.
Omar's continuing imprisonment in his home country ignores that his plea deal was extracted with evidence obtained under torture and the Guantanamo sentence was imposed in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the Rome Statute and the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act.
In 2008 Canada's Supreme Court ruled that Ottawa was complicit in the abuse of Omar Khadr's Charter Rights when it participated in his torture in Guantanamo. His mental abuse by Canadian interrogators (CSIS) in Guantanamo is recorded in the documentary 'You Don't Like the Truth: 4 Days inside Guantanamo'.
In 2014 the Chief Justice of Alberta said in her ruling that : "the evidence against Khadr would have been excluded in a Canadian court. The legal process under which Khadr was held and the evidence elicited from him have been found to have violated both the Charter and international human rights law."
Mr. Sapers, the Ombudsman for Federal Prisons, has blasted the Conservative government's unfair classification of Omar as a maximum security prisoner, stating "The OCI has not found any evidence that Mr. Khadr's behaviour while incarcerated has been problematic and that he could not be safely managed at a lower security level ... I recommend that Mr. Khadr's security classification be reassessed taking into account all available information and the actual level of risk posed by the offender, bearing in mind his sole offence was committed when he was a minor." [This resulted in Omar being classified as a medium-security prisoner.]
The media is not allowed to interview Omar Khadr. Both the rights of the Canadian public to know his story and Omar's right to tell his story have been denied. A court case is underway to correct this violation.
Despite the unspeakable abuse and hardship Omar has suffered, he has retained his dignity and is a positive and cheerful 28 year old who wishes to live a normal, productive life. He is working on his Grade 12 credits with the help of volunteer tutors.
In a letter to one of his many friends Omar wrote: "The light of goodness outshines shadows that might be. There are too many good things in this life (as hard as it might be) to worry or even care about the bad things. Things are what we make out of them. Prison can be a deprivation of freedom, or a time to enlighten ourselves. For me it is the latter." (Dec. 2012)
Archbishop Desmond Tutu is among those who advocate on Omar's behalf that his capture and imprisonment are illegal. He spoke by telephone with Omar in July 2014. He said "It is unconscionable that Omar Khadr, following a travesty of a trial where he was treated as an adult in a vicious kangaroo court, should be languishing in jail" and that "his own country Canada should be an accomplice in holding him in prison. This is an example of a horrible miscarriage of justice and that in a modern democratic state. The Canadian authorities would do their stature much good if they released him immediately."
During the 13 years of Omar's imprisonment there has been political interference at the highest levels, a serious miscarriage of justice has continued and the life of a young Canadian has been terribly abused. The government continues to malign this young man's character for political gain.
I support Omar's right to live as a free man. He must be compensated for wrongful conviction and torture. The government must acknowledge its wrongdoing and make a public apology.


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Hey, everyone. Looking for a critique on this creature I've designed for my portfolio. The entire portfolio will revolve around a mock IP I'm developing. In short, it's a video game about Gods who have destroyed the entirety of humanity, and all that lingers are the droids that were designed by the humans as a defense against the gods. The androids continue their mission to try and eradicate the gods and bring humanity back into existence.
This creature is the angel, Azra. She can summon powerful creatures onto the battle. Most of the angels will share a few of the same design elements - bone-like bodies and circular forms. Wanted her design to sort of follow the appearance of a witch. Also, I thought it would be cool to fuse her hands with the staffs she uses. Anyway, enough bullshit. Just wanted to give you guys a general idea on what I was going for.
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Hey man how goes it? I enjoy your piece here; and I can't wait to see more!
Okay one thing I can point out to you is that the right side of her chest, from our viewpoint, is very flat; not just "flat-chested", but lacking form; your light source is coming from the top left-this is good- so work out casting some shadows onto her right breast. Overall I would say the perspective is sound.
Just punch up those values a bit more as a whole. Give us some more "darker" darks.
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Thanks, mate! I'll try and work up the forms during the next pass.


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The Kershaw County Post 17 Senior American Legion baseball team wraps up its first week of play in League IV with two games in three nights.
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Ron Blackmon, the former North Central High School head football coach and athletic director, was presented with the Lifetime Achievement Award by the South Carolina Strength Coaches Association (SCSCA) at the South Carolina High School Powerlifting Meet earlier this spring.
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"I believe that change doesn't happen overnight, it takes time. I am lucky that today when we are feeling the change, it's a co-incidence that I have become a face of this change," she said in an interview.
Vidya gave strong performances in "Ishqiya", "Paa", "No One Killed Jessica" and "The Dirty Picture". The 33-year-old, who will be seen next in Sujoy Ghosh's "Kahaani", feels lucky to be present at a time when such stories are being written.
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It now looks like every securities class-action firm in the country is going to file a lawsuit about the mishandling of the Facebook IPO. After coming public at $38 last week, the stock closed Friday at $31.91. Total slide for the week: 16.5%. Ugh.
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This afternoon, three more firms announced that they've filed lawsuits.
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