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PM aides: Olmert doesn't plan to renegotiate the coalition
Olmert meets new Labor Party chairman Ehud Barak to discuss developments in Gaza Strip.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has no intention of renegotiating the coalition agreement with the Labor Party, his associates said Thursday, ahead of Olmert's meeting with the new Labor Party chairman, Ehud Barak, on Friday.
Olmert and Barak were discussing the Palestinian clashes in the Gaza Strip, Israel Radio reported.
The aides said that according to the coalition agreement, the defense portfolio is earmarked for Labor's leader. In addition, Labor is allowed another minister, to replace MK Eitan Cabel, who resigned.
These are internal Labor affairs and we don't intend to interfere in them," a source close to Olmert said.
Today's meeting is slated to be an update on security and state affairs following the developments in the Gaza Strip. Olmert and Barak are also expected to discuss political issues related to Barak's entering the Defense Ministry.
Olmert will meet Barak again at the end of next week, after his return from the United States. Upon returning, the prime minister also plans to appoint a finance minister and a Negev and Galilee development minister, to replace Shimon Peres. Both these portfolios are expected to remain in Kadima's hands.
Barak's associates predicted that outgoing Defense Minister Amir Peretz will take Cabel's place as the additional Labor minister.
Barak and Peretz met Thursday, for the first time in 18 months. At the end of the hour-long meeting at Labor's headquarters, the two issued a joint statement to the effect that they had discussed past differences and had agreed to cooperate "for the party's unity."
Relations between Barak and Peretz had been tense since the previous Labor primary, when Barak accused Peretz of "forcing" people to register as Labor members and support him.
Peretz's aides said he wanted to cooperate with Barak, but that he would continue to strengthen the social faction within Labor at the same time.
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The sys admin's daily grind: Archivemail
Charly loves to be organized, but he also likes to have access to mail that reached him when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
Occasionally I need to delve into my mailboxes for an antique message, just to prod my memory. Because my mail client has a full text index of the inbox, I usually find the information I'm looking for within a couple of seconds. Unfortunately, this flush of success is often a delicate thing: With 300 messages flooding in every day, not counting mailing lists, the indexer often gives up the fight. And because many messages have bulky attachments, I genuinely need to clean out my modern day equivalent of the Augean stables.
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RIP SSLv3
The Internet community officially banishes the notoriously unsafe Secure Sockets Layer protocol.
Mate 1.1 Arrives
Popular desktop environment continues the Gnome 2 legacy – with new support for the Gnome 3 toolkit.
US Government Requires HTTPS
The Obama White House has issued a memorandum telling all US government agencies they must use HTTPS for all websites and web communication.
Mozilla Signs Firefox Add-Ons
New program will dial up security for the Firefox browser.
Fedora 22 Arrives
Red Hat's community distro embraces the cloud.
Code.org and College Board Team Reach Out for Talented High School Coders
New partnership will bring more and better CS training to US schools
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Wow! amazing site, lots and lots of information to absorb, I will be there for some time.
Did you manage to get hold of this person to join here ? It would be great to speak to this person.
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Lena Dunham (and her famous lack of clothing) takes the starring role in SNL's story of Adam and Eve. And is that snake kinda Shosh like, or what?
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An important part of making a Justice League film work is creating a world in which these heroes would realistically interact. It's also important to find a way for them to realistically come together. The Avengers was able to do this by having a recruitment character. The Justice League should go a different route to differentiate themselves from the Avengers, but what should that route be?
How about stitching together side-characters from each franchise to create a cohesive, realistic universe? By connecting the side characters in a universe, the heroes are more likely to come together and interact. This method could also justify the position of each member of the team.
For example, we can combine the League of Shadows (Batman), Kryptonian technology (Superman), A.R.G.U.S. (Wonder Woman), the Red Room (Cyborg), and the Guardians of the Universe (Green Lantern) to tell a compelling Justice League story.
Let's say that after Man of Steel, the U.S. government keeps some of the technology left behind from a Kryptonian invasion (Superman). They could give it to the Red Room (Cyborg) to study and to A.R.G.U.S. (Wonder Woman) to protect. That links three characters: Superman, the hero, Wonder Woman, the secret, and Silas Stone, the creator of Cyborg. Now let's say that the terrorist organization known as the League of Shadows (Batman) infiltrates A.R.G.U.S. and the Red Room. They steal the Kryptonian tech and catch the government by surprise. To make this work, the League of Shadows would have to be incredibly upgraded to Bond villains status amd be completely organized, secretive, extensive, and powerful. Their goal would be to destroy cities that they see as corrupt and beyond saving in one fell swoop. The technology they steal could be some kind of mind control tech or space weapon or whatever you think would make the story work. Batman gets drawn in because he was a part of the League of Shadows and he knows how they operate. Superman gets pulled in by the government because it is his tech. Wonder Woman gets pulled in because A.R.G.U.S. was attacked and she's worried about protecting the Earth. Cyborg gets pulled in to save his father, who saved him, but who is now captured by the League of Shadows. The Guardians of the Universe think Earth has dealt with aliens before it has been ready to. And they are concerned by the idea of human power dynamics changing due to extraterrestrial technology, so they dispatch Hal Jordan to investigate. This brings Green Lantern into the fold.
These human bad guys are a challenge for the Justice League because of the technology they possess. While their plot is foiled, they continue to operate in secret, which Batman knows. This keeps the rag-tag team together for future missions. So the LEAGUE of Shadows leads to the formation of the Justice LEAGUE. Cyborg is able to recruit new members like Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Shazam, Hawkman, Zatanna, Green Arrow, etc. by using an A.R.G.U.S. database that he calls "The Grid." Part of the League of Shadows branches off and becomes the Secret Society (villains for future Justice League films).
In terms of character development, Superman realizes that he can do more good with a team and that his technology could be more dangerous than he is. The latter leads him to store items in the Fortress of Solitude. Batman expands his purpose beyond Gotham to save the world by fighting the League of Shadows and the Secret Society. He comes to terms with his past in the organization. Wonder Woman makes her debut to the world and finds acceptance. She also starts to connect more with Steve Trevor. Green Lantern realizes that he hasn't been as active as he should be on Earth, which re-orients his world view. And Cyborg forms a closer bond with his father while finding a new purpose in life. A.R.G.U.S. begins to fear metahumans and secret organizations that they know nothing about. This kick starts Project Cadmus, which will drive a wedge between them and the Justice League. Lexcorp secretly finds and studies some of the stolen Kryptonian technology, which attracts Brainiac to Earth. Mid-credits, we find out that the government has been keeping Martian Manhunter frozen in ice since the 1950s. Post-credits, we find out that the government knows about Atlantis and considers it a threat.
Note: If I could think of an organic way to tie in Flash and/or Aquaman without overburdening the film, then I would. I'm not sure how to incorporate the speed force or other Flash concepts, and I'm not sure how to incorporate Atlantis without giving its own film. But I'd love to see your ideas below!
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There shld be this one secret agent character who's always there in the background and stuff whos maybe not vital but has an integral role,he doesnt havta be addressed or he can just be called agent X n then in the mid credits scene we see that agents badge which reads 'John jones' n his eyes turning red or sumthin,it'll fit more with the creepy secretive silent watcher MM of the new 52, n aquaman n flash need their own films


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Premium programming via cable television is standard for all rooms and suites at Hilton Brussels Grand Place, all of which feature luxury bedding, blackout curtains, a refrigerator, a fully stocked minibar, and coffee/tea maker. All guestrooms are air conditioned, soundproofed, and well equipped with wired high-speed Internet access, a laptop-compatible safe, and a desk. Bathrobes, slippers, separate bathtub and shower, a bidet, a bathroom scale, and complimentary toiletries round out the extensive list of room amenities, which is complemented by optional turndown service and daily housekeeping. Requests for hypo-allergenic bedding and connecting rooms can be accommodated by request at this five-star property.
Hotel Facilities
Hilton Brussels Grand Place is home to L'Epicerie Restaurant, which serves a delicious American-style breakfast buffet every morning, and mouthwatering international cuisine for lunch and dinner in a bright, contemporary atmosphere while overlooking the hustle and bustle of the Place d'Espagne. The Jermin Street Bar adds sophistication with its wood paneling and traditional English color scheme of dark red and green - inviting travellers to unwind over a casual drink and a tasty snack or bistro fare.
Hotel amenities include air conditioned public areas, 24-hour room service, dry cleaning and laundry services, and optional babysitting or childcare. Business conveniences range from banquet facilities over ballrooms and event catering, to exhibit space, audiovisual equipment, and secretarial assistance. The friendly international staff at the 24-hour front desk offers assistance with any inquiry including tours and tickets, currency exchange, express check-in, and luggage storage. Active guests staying at Hilton Brussels Grand Place may wish to make use of the nearby state-of-the-art fitness centre.
Travellers can take advantage of secure garage parking and valet parking, as well as a limo or town car at Hilton Brussels Grand Place.
Hotel Services and Facilities
DiningSatisfy your appetite at the hotel's restaurant, which serves breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Dining is also available at a coffee shop/café, and 24-hour room service is provided. Quench your thirst with your favorite drink at a bar/lounge.
Hotel facilities
- Safe-deposit box at front desk
- Breakfast available (surcharge)
- Dry cleaning/laundry service
- 24-hour fitness facilities
- Restaurant
- Bar/lounge
- Self parking (surcharge)
- Smoke-free property
- Free newspapers in lobby
- 24-hour front desk
- Porter/bellhop
- Meeting rooms
- Babysitting or childcare (surcharge)
- Express check-in
- Business center
- Babysitting or childcare
- Luggage storage
- Limo or Town Car service available
- Library
- Tours/ticket assistance
- Coffee shop or café
- Elevator/lift
- Express check-out
- Laundry facilities
- Accessible bathroom
- In-room accessibility
- Multilingual staff
- Accessible path of travel
- Free WiFi
- Conference space size (meters) - 1075
- Conference space size (feet) - 11567
Important information
- The property has connecting/adjoining rooms, which are subject to availability and can be requested by contacting the property using the number on the booking confirmation.
You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the hotel:
- A tax is imposed by the city: EUR 7.58 per accommodation, per night
We have included all charges provided to us by the property. However, charges can vary, for example, based on length of stay or the room you book.You must present a photo ID when checking in. Your credit card is charged at the time you book. Bed type and smoking preferences are not guaranteed.Your reservation is prepaid and is guaranteed for late arrival. The total charge includes all room charges and taxes, as well as fees for access and booking. Any incidental charges such as parking, phone calls, and room service will be handled directly between you and the property.
The following fees and deposits are charged by the property at time of service, check-in, or check-out.
- Breakfast fee: EUR 25 per person (approximately)
- Self parking fee: EUR 14.90 per day
The above list may not be comprehensive. Fees and deposits may not include tax and are subject to change.Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on hotel policy.
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card are required at check-in for incidental charges.
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges. Special requests cannot be guaranteed.
Special cancellation policies or charges may apply for group reservations (more than 8 rooms for the same hotel / stay dates).
How to bookMaking your reservation in Hilton Brussels Grand Place is easy and secure. Simply select your dates of stay and click on the "Check Rates" button to submit the form.
After room types and rates are returned to your screen, you will be able to choose the rate you desire by reading the room information in the center of the screen, then clicking on the "Book Now" button on the right side of the screen. After you have selected your desired room type, you will be taken to a "Complete your booking" form. Then you will need to review the "Details of your stay" and fill in the blanks on the "Guest Details" section. Be sure your name and email address are spelled correctly.
After you fill out all of the needed information, press the "Complete reservation" button. To ensure your security, we use a secure commerce server, which encrypts the credit card number and encodes it into a non-usable form.
Area informationDistances are calculated in a straight line from the property's location to the point of interest or attraction, and may not reflect actual travel distance.
Distances are displayed to the nearest 0.1 mile and kilometer.
Moof Museum - 0.1 km / 0 mi
Square Brussels Meeting Centre - 0.2 km / 0.1 mi
Mont des Arts - 0.2 km / 0.1 mi
Galeries St. Hubert - 0.2 km / 0.1 mi
Royal Theatre Toone - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
La Grand Place - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
The King's House - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
Cathedral of St. Michael - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
Brussels City Hall - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
Film Museum - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
Jacques Brel Foundation - 0.3 km / 0.2 mi
Jeanneke Pis - 0.4 km / 0.2 mi
Museum of Musical Instruments - Old England Building - 0.4 km / 0.2 mi
Rene Magritte Museum - 0.4 km / 0.3 mi
Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium - 0.4 km / 0.3 mi
The nearest airports are:
Brussels (ZYR-Brussels Midi Train Station) - 1.8 km / 1.1 mi
Brussels (BRU) - 10.6 km / 6.6 mi
The preferred airport for Hilton Brussels Grand Place is Brussels (BRU).


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Adolescence: A Time That Matters
Release Date: August, 2002
(also available in French)
Sales Number: 01.XX.13
40 page(s), 8.5x11
Binding: Paperback
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Beastly Adventurer
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I've done quite a bit of riding in Newfoundland and the Maritimes. I don't mean to put a damper on your plans... but the way you've got the route currently set up, you're missing all the good stuff.
With only 12 days for the trip, I would strongly recommend you leave Newfoundland for another trip when you have more time. Concentrate on Nova Scotia, Cape Breton, and maybe the Gaspé Peninsula instead.
Newfoundland really deserves four or five days on its own, and the way you currently have the route set up, along Highway 1, you'll just end up with a boring ride through the least interesting countryside that Newfoundland has to offer. There's absolutely no point in spending the $300 on ferries to get over there and back if you're just going to ride the highway.
And in your haste to do the whole thing, you're also missing the best parts of Cape Breton and Nova Scotia. And what's more, the daily mileages you've got planned are a bit unrealistic unless you want to be setting up camp in the dark every night. Most of these roads (unless you really do stick to the slab the whole trip) will have you averaging a very moderate pace, so 300-350 mile days are a lot more realistic if you want enough time to be able to stop every once in a while to take in the sights or have a good meal, and also set up camp before it gets dark out.
Check out my ride reports of the region for route suggestions (link is in my sig, below). The last ride report linked, my most recent Labrador/Newfoundland one, has lots of Newfoundland info. The other Labrador/Newfoundland ones do too, but concentrated on the western side of Newfoundland. They all have info on the Maritimes too; and you'll also want to check out my Maritimes and St Lawrence ride reports.
My suggestion would be to concentrate on New England and the Maritimes on this trip, then do a Newfoundland-focused one in the future when you have a little more time. This way you'll have the time to actually take in the areas you're riding through, and enjoy the good roads instead of the highways.
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Ontario Vstrommer
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Location: Kingston, Ontario
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in Newfoundland ....
... you will freeze your rain soaked arse in June. Travelling that far in such a short period of time your won't have time to see anything in detail. I've ridden completely around the Gulf of St Lawrence, and spent 12 days just on the Rock in 2011 and am going back this summer for an longer period.
I'd suggest that you slow down and smell the roses and skip Newfoundland until you have more time. It's an awesome place.
The Wingman
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Based on the schedule, the ferry for Argentia leaves at 17:00h (planning to check in at 16h) so all things equal, I would probably opt for option A in my original schedule (I planned Options A or B - Days 4-6 - to accommodate the ferry from St. John to Digby since that schedule has not yet been released). If I do option A, I would be able to ride Cabot Trail on day 6 (6A on my plan) and still catch the ferry at 16h (Google says around 5hrs around the island and I would camp near Sydney so that should give us plenty of time to deviate from the trail if needed be).
Looks like it's going to be a fun weekend :)
PS - Let me know when you're going to be in OH and/or if you're passing through Cleveland... gotta check with the wife, but me casa su casa
The Wingman
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I agree that this is quite an aggressive trip, but the focus is sort of two-fold: ride to the unknown (for me) on a bike and see what it can be seen in the short amount of time. I also agree that I will probably not be able to see the best each location has to offer, but again, given the time frame I have available, I don't think I would be able to do it anyway (i.e., see all the good stuff) -- am I wrong for thinking that?
Here's my rationale: I love to travel. The best thing about traveling for me is A) I get to see the world, B) learn about different cultures, and C) learn something about myself (become a well-rounded individual with an open mind). So what has worked in the past was to spend a short time in different places (due to limited time/money) and those that make an impact on me I make a promise to myself that I will come back and visit that place again and spend more time exploring that one location.
For example, my biggest passion (even bigger than motorcycles ) is scuba divining. I was (and still am) fortunate enough where I had a chance to dive all over the world, but one place that made an impact on me was Roatan, Honduras. Nothing special about the place itself, but the people and the memories of that place left a lasting impression on me that once I got married (1.5yr ago) I took my wife to that same place for a couple of days (unfortunately she does not dive or enjoy riding, but it was a blast nonetheless). On the other hand, there are places I been to that I can say "Yes, I've been there," but IMHO I would not regret it if I never went back.
So this is something I hope to achieve through this trip as well: see and learn something new and re-visit this place again with my wife (but that time it will be in a car)...
Sorry for rambling...
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You can make this an amazing, unforgettable trip -- but in order to do that, you need to slow down a little and focus on a scope that's more realistic, rather than trying to cram it all into too little time. Trust me, you'll get a hell of a lot more out of it.
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Cold Adventurer
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I have never been to Ohio and if i blew through in one morning on the freeway only stopping for gas did i REALLY visit???
Newfoundland is the most unique place you will ever see geographicly and you will not see it.
It has a culture that is over 500 years in the making and a people that speak english but you will need an interpreter to understand it. But you will not hear it.
It has a total different pace of life than the US of A but you are bringing your pace with you so you will not experience it.
Your loss.
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The Wingman
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In process of modifying my trip...
Quick question on Nova Scotia - is it worth it riding along the western - southwestern coast from Digby to Halifax? If not, I may take that part out and spend more time near North Sydney / Cape Breton area instead.
As of right now, the plan is to do a straight shot from Cleveland to Portsmouth, NH (highway) in a day. Day 2 probably take 95/295 to Brunswick and ride along the cost to St. John, NB... pretty much the same plan as the original, but take day 3 out of the original plan and add it to Nova Scotia instead. Given that only one ferry goes to Argentia (on 6/21) I may still do this, but when I do arrive in NL, ride around the Avalon peninsula into St. John's (roughly 6 hours). Depending on how this plan folds out, I would ride out across 1 west, but camp near Gros Morne (if possible, haven't researched it yet). This way, I would gain an additional day, ride around GM then head south into Rose Blanche and catch 23:30 ferry back. Hopefully I will be able to add additional day to NL...
Again, still working on this
Stay tuned and thanks for all of your help!
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Human Compass
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Lots of good advice already given about wiser ways to spend the time. I was hoping for NF on my Maritime Meander (link in sig line), but couldn't fit it in given the time I had and I have no regrets. I will get there soon enough with a generous time allotment.
One comment about your camping intentions.
Do a couple of overnights before the trip. Even if it's only a half hour ride away from home. It take's time to set up and break down your camp and several iterations to develop a routine that works and an understanding of what you need, what you'd like, and what you can do without. Much better to learn that before you hit the road for two weeks.
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Rose Blanche is an excellent choice before you board the ferry. Sport touring heaven.
As for the Avalon i will give you a tip. If the wind is off the water here it is apt to be cool and foggy. Not an issue because if the wind is blowing on the southern after you get off the boat....go do the loop to the North. Grates Cove on the northern tip will be bathed in sunshine.
Fog looks like fog wherever you ride.
On a cultural note you also need to understand that stopping and talking to complete strangers is the norm here. You can spend an hour shooting the shit on any wharf and the seniors here carry a history lesson that a book will not give you. It is perfectly ok to ride into a fellows yard and he will stop whatever he is doing to answer your queries about his little community. It will take awhile for you to understand how this works but being shy will be a detriment to your experience.
And you will be called a CFA. (Come From Away). It is not derogatory just that there are people from here and then there are those from the rest of the world.
My personal preference in Nova Scotia would be the Cape Breton ride as opposed to the south shore.
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You need to understand the Canadian philosophy on roads before embarking on a trip of this nature. The primary highways are constructed to get traffic from point A to point B as efficiently as possible. While there are scenic portions, that is not their intent. 101 and 103 in Nova Scotia can fall into the "extraordinarily dull" category.
The things you want to see are on the local and secondary roads.
Maratimers are very friendly. Canadians are sociable generally, but the island folk will stop in the middle of the street to be friendly. This can eat up a lot of time, as you get into hour-long conversations while pumping gas, as damurph correctly noted.
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The Wingman
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Round 2
I did some modifications to the plan and since I kept mileage and times a bit more realistic, I had to add another day to the trip. However, I doubt this will happen if I end up riding with my buddy due to prior commitments.
Here is the updated plan:
Detail of ME route
DAY 01.....6/15/2013.....710.....Cleveland, OH to York, ME (Portsmouth)
DAY 02.....6/16/2013.....331.....York, ME to Bar Harbor, ME
DAY 03.....6/17/2013.....210.....Bar Harbor, Me to Lubec, ME
DAY 04.....6/18/2013.....170.....Lubec, ME to Kentville, NS (inlcuding 3hr ferry ride)
DAY 05.....6/19/2013.....312.....Kentville, NS to North Sydney, NS
DAY 06.....6/20/2013.....260.....North Sydney, NS to Cape Breton, NS (northern peninsula including Meat Cove)
DAY 07.....6/21/2013.....200.....North Sydney, NS to Cape Breton, NS (southern peninsula) - catch ferry to Argentia, NL at 16h
DAY 08.....6/22/2013.....235.....Argentia, NL to St. John's (via southern Avalon peninsula)
DAY 09.....6/23/2013.....235.....St. John's, NL area (Northern Bay / Grates Cove)
DAY 10.....6/24/2013.....437.....St. John's, NL to Gros Morne, NL
DAY 11.....6/25/2013.....370.....Gros Morne, NL to Daniel's Harbor then south to Rose Blanche and back to the PAB (ferry to NS at 23:30)
DAY 12.....6/26/2013.....404.....North Sydney to Fredericton, NB (camp)
DAY 13.....6/27/2013.....396.....Fredericton, NB to Oquossoc, ME (camp)
DAY 14.....6/28/2013.....526.....Oquossoc, ME to Utica, NY
DAY 15.....6/29/2013.....507.....Utica, NY to Cleveland, OH
Since I don't think this will be possible (we have to be back by 6/28), I was thinking about the follow two options:
Stick with eastern NL (St. John's area) and ride straight to PAB. Since Rose Blanche is about 1.5hrs (round trip) from PAB, potentially ride out there at dusk and catch the ferry at 23:30.
Remove day 8 or day 9 and add it to day 11 instead. In other words, only ride southern or northern peninsula upon arrival to NL (day 8 at St. John's). The following day, ride out to Grose Morne and camp here and in the morning, ride as planned per day 11. Day 11 would turn into day 10 and I would be able make the 6/28 deadline.
So if you had to pick between option 1 and 2, which one would you go with? Any suggestions? Yes, I'm not going to see everything, but as already discussed, unfortunately I do not have 2-3 weeks to spend on each location (that would be nice, indeed).
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The Wingman
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Also, if there are delays to Argentia, I think I may catch the ferry up to PAB and just ride that side of the coast.
Gnarly Adventurer
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Great trip idea, but I would recommend listening to the advice of fellow inmates. Do ether Western or Eastern Newfoundland, or dont do it and spend your time explore ng Nova Scotia. I am planning similar trip from Boston to Newfoundland, initially we wanted to do the whole island, but then we realized that we wont be able to cover everything and we decided to cover just western part by riding Vikings Trail and hiking in Gros Morne. Of course this is your trip, but I would recommend not stretching your trip so much.
Cold Adventurer
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If you do ride the west coast of the island then the Tablelands on the road to Trout River in Gros Morne Park will blow your mind. Green valley on one side of the road and the planet Mars on the other side.
Google earth pics will give you a taste but to ride through it is awesome.
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Originally posted by ImperialSun
There have been several polls on this topic and while forum goers are a small number overall.. Stastically they can still reflect with the masses are thinking. In the bulk of those polls people voted along the lines of "Addons allowed - but no addons that give extra information." We have gone on this several times as well. Things like seeing all of the targets resource pools (magicka and stamina). Mods that tell you when to counter. When I bring these up people fire back with, those queues are already in the game. Maybe they are, but they are also subtle. They do not include flashing lights, sirens and giant buttons flashing to tell me what to do.
That can mean anything. I already stated several times that I am fine with "certain mods". Nothing that you or the devs have stated says anything about what they will not allow. So I will continue to be vocal on all fronts. This forum, the beta forum, the Bethesda forum. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. Until we know what the scope of this is going to be it needs to be smeared right in their face. Exactly as other issues have been and ultimately they have commented on.
Thats just what you want us to do. Forget it.. sweep it under the rug. Gee its not a big deal.
Nope, everyone here keep doing what you have been. Talk about it. Make threads. Send emails to Zen and make sure to use the /feedback option in game this weekend.
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The elder scrolls always had a huge modding community. I do not see how you can appeal to the fans if you prevent modding. It has to be allowed and once you open the floodgates you cannot really try to trap the water in. It is very difficult to control this people will cheat in PvP. To win you just need better mods.
Originally posted by Jyiiga
"why are you the single person on the defense in this thread"
I count three people who either want mods or have no issue with them either way, on this page alone. The same is true throughout the thread. You discredit yourself when you resort to blatant lies. I guess you were hoping people coming into the thread at the back end would see that and just take it as fact? You know, because thats what you want them to believe.
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Again I want to point out that the purpose of my post was not ANTI-mod... Mods are in the game and were planned that way from the start...
My point was what is "allowed" by way of mods... and hoping it would not dictate how the game must be played as it has done so for other games...
Some people state that modding was always a big part of the ES series and that is true, however when we look at most of the mods they are mostly visual enhancements and texture boosts, or a more PC friendly streamlined UI, in some cases they are content add ons... There are all great examples of enhancement mods.
Take a look at LOTRO (at least back in the day when I played it) their modding capability was strictly limited to basic UI themes.
When mods become necessary it is when there is an issue... I did not create this post to stymie anyone's creativity and there is some incredible talent out there in the modding community. Perhaps "kill" was a bad word to use (although it did have the dramatic effect) a better word may be "Ruin"... DBM, meters, cast bars are all examples of mods that force a particular style of game play and when the entire community if forced to have these type of mods in order to participate THIS BECOMES AN ISSUE... Now players will botch that "the game is not challenging" because mods dictate to a player exactly what they have to do, and the developers now have to create content around these mods that take the "margin of error" or "learning curve" out of an encounter.
There are some that mentioned "there are <PvP> games without mods that stil have speedhacks etc" well that is outright cheating and hacking and that argument has no place here because those cheaters will always find a way to hack and cheat their way in.
I will be using add-ons, especially ones that I feel enhance the game for me whether it is a UI enhancement or something to make elements of the game more visually appealing. I just hope Zeni limits or recognizes THEN limits add on capabilities so that players are not given certain advantages over those who do not use a particular mod for PvE OR PvP.
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Riiiiiight.....and what does "extra information" mean exactly? Thats quite an expansive term :)
So you admit all of the data and the queues are already there in game, YOUR issue is with how audible or how visible they are? You only want these queuees to be very subtle. Great. Thats great for you.
Now what about those with poor hearing, or those that are colour blind or otherwise impaired to a degree that these ever so subtle queues are not as discernable to them? Mods and addons can help those players PvP more easily and feel included in the games community.
Why would you seek to deny these types of players from enjoying the experience as much as you? Or do you need an advantage over them by forcing them suffer subtle and easily missable queues purely so you can feel more immersed?
It's a two way street once you get into demanding things are removed simply because you don't see a benefit to them.
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If this is your position you wouldn't mind my privacy mod then would you?
It would allow complete freedom of use of these questionable cheat mods wouldn't you agree?
Originally posted by Saxx0n
I can categorically state that I would have absolutely zero problem with someone developing a privacy mod and you using it. Once more for clarity, zero problem. In fact more power to you.
If I even buy the game and I chose to use some or all of the mods that are available and sanctioned within the ToS, I would be using them for my own benefit and no one elses.
I could care less whether 1 or 1,000,000 people use them or don't use them. I PvP predominantly for fun and do not get caught up on HAVING to be elite...I just like the additional functionality that mods can provide, especially if the games default UI and combat feedback leaves much to be desired as ESO's seems to.
What I take exception to is those that try and force others to "play it my way or not at all..."
I think the one point we would not see eye to eye on is that I DO believe if everyone has access to the same options and opportunities, but you personally choose not to use them where others do, it is not the mod that is disadvantaging you. It is you that is choosing to disadvantage you.
You cannot be at a dis-advantage when you have access to all of the exact same options and opportunities that 100% of the playerbase has access to. That IS a level playing field.
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I quit Rift and WoW because of the unrealistic demand players made to others almost insisting on having ADD-ONs.
UI changes are ok but the DPS meters and gear checks were just garbage and ruined the community as a whole.
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Problem is that is not possible and most people know it is not possible. So they can comment as they see fit.
Originally posted by Jyiiga
So everyone that disagrees with you, or has an alternative opinion is lying, as well as being thick.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.
None of your objections or claims are quantifiable either, so by your rationale you can make up anything you want right?
Originally posted by ImperialSun
Nope that reply was to educate, so they understand how it works.
Some may lie some may not. They need to be aware that you can't block any function of another person addon via an addon you are running.
Makes it less of a talking point - since it isn't possible.
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After reading a few posts, I have decided to write down an extensive breakdown of my point of view regarding this entire situation.
Premise: Some add-ons, in their current state, allow the user to obtain information that would otherwise be impossible with the default UI. This creates a necessity for such add-ons as it provides an advantage in competitive play. This in turn leads players that want to remain competitive to have to use add-ons that may completely go against what the Elder Scrolls series is all about.
Counterargument #1: If ESO does not have add-ons, if won't be Elder Scrolls-y.
Retort: First of all, my premise does not say "every add-on", only ones that allow users to obtain information that would otherwise be impossible to acquire. I believe ESO should have add-ons, just not ones that provide a significant advantage in competitive play which generates a necessity. Namely, certain add-ons that allow users to see the enemy's exact amount of Health, Magicka, and Stamina, the enemy's buffs/debuffs, and the cast bar and name of the spell/ability being used by the enemy are the focus of this discussion. These are things which simply are not shown with the default UI.
In fact, the add-ons in question have no resemblance to any of the mods for Skyrim or Oblivion; they are much more akin to World of Warcraft or other games of the sort. However, ESO is an Elder Scrolls game, and the minute you generate a necessity for such add-ons to remain competitive, you absolutely hinder the Elder Scrolls portion of the game. Why? Because the series is all about immersion, it is about placing the player's focus on the world and on the action and not on the UI. This is largely achieved by having an extremely minimalistic UI, something ESO's default UI very much accomplishes. Yet, the developer's vision and work is absolutely put to waste the minute you introduce these add-ons, which are necessary to remain competitive. ESO goes from an Elder Scrolls-like game, where you watch the world and action, to a generic MMO-like game, where you watch UI bars go up and down. The add-ons in question absolutely clutter the screen with UI elements that have not even a remote similarity to what you see in any of the Elder Scrolls games, modded or not.
Counterargument #2: If you think it makes your screen ugly and not immersive, don't use it.
Retort: The problem with this mentality is that it does not address the entire competitive nature of an online game. In a game where players play with and against each other, competition and player interaction is everything. As such, the add-ons in question provide a clear advantage to its users, becoming a necessity for competitive play. They do this by providing information that would otherwise be inaccessible; information which is invaluable for maximizing combat efficiency. This is a problem because if you want to remain competitive, yet you want an Elder Scrolls-like experience, these two things conflict each other.
Counterargument #3: If these add-ons, which give us all the information about our enemies, exist, it is because the developers allowed it.
Retort: It is true that the developers are entirely responsible for this, for they allowed such add-ons to do these things. However, developers are also prone to making mistakes and taking bad calls. As such, if the developers are in a position to do something about it, then players have every right to voice their opinion and send forth their criticism in hopes of getting a response on the issue. In fact, I believe we as customers have an obligation to send them feedback to make this the best game possible. This has happened before, with first-person mode and collision detection, both which were not part of the first iterations of the game, but then later were made available due to the community's reaction. Therefore, we need to once again tell them how we feel and hope they have sound judgement to tackle the issue accordingly.
My Proposal: With all that being said, I believe ZeniMax Online should seriously reconsider what can or can't be done with add-ons. All in all, I feel having add-ons in the game is important and should definitely happen, but they need to be restricted to showing only what the default UI can show. Meaning, any detailed information about the enemy, like how much magicka they have or their spell's cast time, should not be shown, for the default UI does not show this. Add-ons should not have an effect on game play balance, should not provide an advantage to users, and should most definitely not influence the competitive nature of the game.
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There is a serious lack of information about the addon's and it sure seems to be coloring people's perceptions. Proof that lack of facts is never a slow down for a debate...
Specifically the Tamriel Foundry Combat Addon which most people are talking about.
No, it is not lazy development, nor is it a bad play for Zenimax to do it. If you further read that thread, someone make a good point, that if the floating numbers had been a part of the game, much of the feedback would have been that "this is not Elder Scroll's Enough". The stock UI is minimalist, that's good, it makes the Elder Scroll crowd feel right at home. Via addon, (and let's be honest, community made UI's are likely more popular than stock UI for a variety of reasons) people who are coming in with an MMO background are satisfied.
So let's summarize...you get UI mods that have information that is already presented in the game. You get a minimalist stock UI for Elder Scrolls fans, and with Zenimax blocking some of the assets, you don't get the more obtrusive "Boss Mods", and "Play it for me" type of addon's.
So really, what's the fuss about again?
Great post - Itherael
Edit - cause formatting...
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Personally I don't really care. But I do hope someone comes up with a replacement UI. The ESO UI is a godawful and uninspired, uninviting, lazy ass piece of shit. It was shit in Skyrim and it's still shit. I'm all for function and minimal design (which it does well), but I at least like a UI that looks pleasing, but most importantly appropriate, which here it definitely is not. The UI actually reminds me of modern military shooters, and it doesn't help immersion, it actually breaks it for me.
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Originally posted by cura
Are you really too stupid to read the post you quoted?
I will help by re-quoting them for you
"Most the info (buffs, de-buffs, casting prompt etc) that the addons shown so far provide is info already in the UI if you know what you are looking at/for."
The "clutter" is completely optional because the info that gives an "advantage to other people" is by and large already available in the base ui (buffs, debuffs, casting animations etc), you just need to know what you are looking for/at.
So I ask again why should we be restricted on how we choose to show that info in a more readable (but less visually appealing) way, surely having the OPTION is a good thing, no?
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Originally posted by SolarRain
So, you feel more "immersed" when the screen is full of toolbars, icons and status indicators ?
It takes all kinds, I guess.
Good thing about ESO is that with Add-On's, we can both have what we want, even if we do come from opposite ends of the "ideal UI" spectrum...
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Originally posted by deakon
This is not true, at all! There are things being displayed by add-ons that simply CAN'T be displayed with the default UI! For instance, with the default UI, there is absolutely no way of seeing the exact amount of health, magicka, and stamina the enemy has, the exact amount of time his spell/ability needs to be cast, the name of the spell/ability he is about to use before he actually uses it (if it has a cast-time), and his buffs and debuffs and exactly when they will wear off. This information CAN'T be seen without add-ons.
Tell me, how exactly, without add-ons, is the player going to determine how much magicka and stamina his enemy has? How exactly, without add-ons, is the player going to determine which buffs and debuffs his enemy has and when they will expire? How exactly, without add-ons, is the player going to know exactly when to use execute-type abilities that deal more damage if the enemy has less than a certain percentage of health? How exactly, without add-ons, is the player going to know exactly when his enemy's ability/spell with a cast-time will go off? You may say, "Well, if you look at his animation you will know what he is going to do!" However, this method is considerably less accurate because many animations stay the same throughout the entirety of their cast time in a "charging up" fashion, so unless you are able to count perfectly in your head when it will hit (this is considering you have memorized the cast-time of each and every ability and spell in the game and that you saw his animation from the start), then this method becomes unfeasible.
If things go live the way they currently are, add-ons will not be merely "optional clutter". They will be absolute necessities for anyone wanting to compete seriously.
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The boring meaningless content will kill ESO, no worries. Run from questmarker to questmarker and press E
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Originally posted by Itherael
How does seeing my magika and stamina help you though, if you don't know my build it doesn't and even if you do how is it going to help you? Are you going to run away if I have full resources? No you will still fight me regardless
Buffs and debuffs appear around the target frame, each has its own affect on the frame, when they disappear, they are up. If you struggle to see when to interrupt a spell, you are blind/stupid and theres no addons to help with that, its very obvious no matter what the spell is, and the animations are actually all pretty different once you know what you are looking at. You don't need to know when the casting is finished because by then its too late, as long as you can tell the casting has started you can interrupt (which is the only reason to want to see cast bars anyway).
The only thing you have mentioned that isn't available is seeing other players mana/stamina, and lets be honest its pretty shocking that those things aren't available as an option in the base ui anyway (like it is in every themepark mmorpg), but claiming it gives some big advantage to those with addons is pure nonsense, especially in this game where the main end game (AvA) is based unequal sided battles anyway


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