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It's hard to believe that it's only been a few months since I was hustling every day looking for employment, stressing over whether I was going to have to leave Manhattan permanently and pursue the other aspirations that I have nurtured over the years. Instead of being the one who is constantly on the phone trying to catch up with friends and acquaintances, pursuing possible job leads, and firing my resume out at the cyclic rate, I'm now on the other side of the table. In the last month, I've been the one receiving a decent amount of inquiries from some of the same friends and acquaintances that I've reached out to in the past, and I feel a deep obligation to try to help them any way I can.
My new coworkers have been congratulatory overall. I've noticed a lingering sense of uncertainty that everyone is aware of. We all know people that have lost jobs, or are in the process of losing them. The hubris is gone, and a sense of practicality has set in.
I'm really at peace with what happened regarding having my previous job eliminated. And if or when it happens again, I'll deal with it. I've been through extremely difficult situations in life, and this definitely was not one of them.
I realize that my background as a Marine officer and pilot is what differentiates me; the tough part is being able to convey that to someone during a typical 30-minute interview. Almost always I stress that I posses a significant amount of leadership and general management experience, which is uncommon to find in a recent M.B.A. grad.
I've maintained contact with many of my former colleagues–not because I'm hoping that they'll help me land employment somewhere, but because of the deep friendships that were formed as a by-product of the layoffs. I think most of us believe that we're all in this together to some degree.
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Steve McConaughey, was the director of marketing for the service division of Siemens Healthcare, until his position was eliminated in November 2008 after five years with the company. Previously, Mr. McConaughey, 50, worked for three software and networking startup companies in Silicon Valley and North Carolina. He earned an M.B.A. from University of California Berkeley Haas School of Business in 1990. He lives with his wife and son in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
Angela Dorsey,was a panel operations manager for comScore, Inc., a marketing research company, until her job was eliminated in October 2009 after more than a year with the company. Previously, Ms. Dorsey, 38, was a senior program manager for Blackboard, Inc., an e-learning technology software provider. She earned an M.B.A. and M.S. in e-commerce from the University of Maryland, University College in August 2005 and December 2007, respectively. She lives with her husband in Alexandria, Virginia.
Henry Chalian,was a relationship manager at J.P. Morgan before his job was eliminated in May 2009 after seven years with the company. Mr. Chalian, 41, received a masters degree from the London School of Economics in 1995 and is currently completing a certificate of business excellence at Columbia Business School. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
Kevin Mergens,was a product manager for ADP Dealer Services. His job was eliminated in June 2009. Previously, Mr. Mergens, 40, was a marketing manager at Littlelfuse. He earned an M.B.A. from Michigan State University 's Broad School of Management in 1993. Mr. Mergens lives with his wife and three children in Niles, Ill.
Kevin Chenoweth,was previously a senior consultant with Deloitte Consulting. His position was eliminated in April 2009 after more than a year with the firm. Prior to that, Mr. Chenoweth, 39, was a consultant with Lucidity Consulting group. He earned an M.B.A. from the Thunderbird School of Global Management in 1993. He lives in Denver.
Brent Humphries,was a technical project manager at the Iowa Foundation for Medical Care. His position was eliminated in June 2009, after five years with the nonprofit. Previously, he worked as an IT contractor for various financial services companies. Mr. Humphries, 37, earned a part-time MBA from the University of Iowa in 2009. He lives in Des Moines, Iowa.
John Brownrigg was a senior manager at Corporex Companies LLC, a real-estate development company. Mr. Brownrigg, 54, was laid off in August 2008 after almost two years with the company. Previously, he worked on commercial real estate and construction projects for General Electric, Ericsson and the Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center. He earned an M.B.A. from University of Texas Austin in 1984. He lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with his wife and two children.
Geoff Hibner lost his position as CFO of Banta Corp. when the company was sold to a larger competitor in 2007. Previously, he was an independent consultant as well as a senior vice president and CFO at Timberland Co. Mr. Hibner earned an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School in 1977. He lives with his wife in Neenah, Wis., and has two adult children.
F. Ellen Whaley spent over 11 years at Aetna Inc., most recently as an operations CFO. Her position was eliminated in 2001. Previously, Ms. Whaley, 54, was a management consultant. She's now looking to re-enter the job market after an eight-year hiatus. She earned an M.B.A. from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Lally School of Management and Technology in 1983. She lives with her family in Essex, Conn.
Jon Gray was manager of planning and analysis at Xsigo Systems, a San Jose technology start-up. He was laid off in November 2008, after almost two years with the company. Previously, Mr. Gray, 34, spent seven years in various finance roles at Symantec Corp., a security software maker. Mr. Gray earned his M.B.A. in 2006 from INSEAD. He lives in Los Gatos, Calif.
Dawn Jordan's position as an operations vice president at Bank of America was eliminated in late October. Ms. Jordan, 39, previously worked at Countrywide Financial as vice president of customer retention. Ms. Jordan received an M.B.A. from the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California in 2008. She lives in Laguna Beach, Calif.
Christopher Janc, was most recently a senior vice president at Madison Capital Funding LLC, a leveraged debt provider to middle market private equity firms. He spent seven years at the company and was laid off in January 2009. Mr. Janc, 41, spent the previous seven years with three other middle market financial services firms. He earned an M.B.A. from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business in 2000. He lives with his wife and two kids in Elmhurst, Ill. a suburb of Chicago. After a ten-month job search, Mr. Janc landed a wealth management position with J.P. Morgan.
Kevin Hudson spent almost four years at ServiceMaster as an IT finance director. When the company relocated to Memphis earlier in 2008, Mr. Hudson, 52, decided not to move. He received an M.B.A. from the Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management in 1984. Mr. Hudson lives in Oak Lawn, Ill., a suburb of Chicago. After a 19-month job search, Mr. Hudson's yearlong part-time assignment turned into a full-time consulting position.
Heidi Mannetter was a senior marketing strategist at Principal Financial Group Inc. before her position was eliminated in June. Ms. Mannetter, 33, was with the financial-services provider for three years. She earned an M.B.A. from the University of Iowa's Tippie School of Management in 2006, and lives in Des Moines, Iowa. After a ten-week job search, Ms. Mannetter landed a marketing manager position for Kemin Food Ingredients
Kerry Sanderson was manager of community relations at Jobing.com before her position was eliminated in March 2009. Ms. Sanderson, 43, was previously director of employer relations and business development at Thunderbird School of Global Management. She earned an M.B.A. at Rice University's Jones School of Global Business in 2000. She lives in Scottsdale, Ariz. After an eight-month job search, Ms. Sanderson now works in account management for an e-commerce company.
Prakash Nagpal was the vice president of products at Sylantro Systems Corp. before his position was eliminated in late 2008. Previously, Mr Nagpal, 42, was a general manager of products at Covad Communications Group, Inc. He earned his M.B.A. from Cornell University's Johnson School in 2000. He lives in Oakland, Calif. with his wife and two children. After more than six months of searching, Mr. Nagpal is now involved in carrier marketing at Actelis Networks.
Kenneth Jones was laid off in March 2009 from Nortel Networks Corp. where he worked as a services product line manager. Mr. Jones, 43, spent 11 years at the company with roles in IT operations, software development, business development and product management. Mr. Jones earned an M.B.A. from the University of North Carolina's Kenan-Flagler School of Business in 2003. He lives with his wife and two children in Chapel Hill, N.C. After a seven-month job search, Mr. Jones landed a product management role at Elster Intergrated Solutions.
Joel Friedman was eliminated from his position as the vice president of enterprise technology at the First Horizon National Corp. in May 2009. He spent 13 years with the company. Previously, Mr. Friedman, 40, worked as a call center and sales team manager at Budget Rent A Car, now owned by Avis Budget Group, Inc. He received an Executive M.B.A. from the Southern Methodist University Cox School of Business in 2006. He lives in McKinney, Texas. After a three month job search, Mr. Friedman landed a position as the chief information officer at Century Payments, a payment processing company.
Rachel Levy worked as marketing director at the Jewish Community Centers of Greater Boston before her position was eliminated in July 2008. She previously held brand management positions at Kraft Foods Inc. and Jim Beam Brands Co. Ms. Levy, 37, received an M.B.A. from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business in 1998. She lives in Boston. A year later, Ms. Levy was offered a director of marketing and social media position at Second Time Around, a Boston-based consignment store chain.
Michael Crehan, 54, spent the last eight years as a senior vice president at Lehman Brothers in the ratings advisory group - until March 2008. Mr. Crehan also spent 14 years at Standard & Poor's. He earned an M.B.A. from Babson College in 1982 and lives in Fairfield, Conn. Seventeen months after his layoff, Mr. Crehan accepted a career development position at the University of Notre Dame Mendoza College of Business.
Amanda Sundt, 35, was a senior marketing manager at Orbitz Worldwide Inc. Her position was eliminated in early November. Previously she held marketing positions at Upshot, a Chicago-based advertising agency, and Allstate Insurance Corporation. Ms. Sundt received an M.B.A. from DePaul University Kellstadt School of Business. She lives in Chicago with her husband and son. After four months of unemployment, Ms. Sundt recently started a new marketing position at iExplore, a Chicago-based adventure travel website.
Brian Murphy spent a year as an associate in Bear Stearns' investment banking division until the firm collapsed. Mr. Murphy, 35, is searching for restructuring or turnaround management jobs and divides his time between California and New York. He has an M.B.A. from USC's Marshall School and spent nearly 10 years in the Marine Corps, serving two deployments in Iraq, and one in Afghanistan. After eight months of unemployment, he recently started a new investment banking position in New York.
Karen Reid spent the last six years at Citigroup Inc. Her position as the vice president of global corporate banking was eliminated in June. Ms. Reid, 38, is now looking for a corporate finance position. She earned an M.B.A. from the University of California-Los Angeles Anderson School of Management in 2002. She lives in Atlanta. After six months of unemployment, Ms. Reid started a finance position for a medical communications company.
Matthew Vuturo, 27, worked as a strategic planning manager at VR Mergers & Acquisitions, a Tampa, Fla. -based firm. He was downsized in early 2008. Mr. Vuturo earned an M.B.A. from the University of South Florida in 2005. After job searching for more than a year, Mr. Vuturo landed a position as the new director of sales and marketing at GPI Prototype & Manufacturing Services, Inc. a Lake Bluff, Ill.-based contract manufacturer.
Spencer Cutter was a senior vice president at Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., working in the leveraged finance group. After nine years with the firm, Mr. Cutter was laid off in the spring of 2008. Mr. Cutter, 40, earned an M.B.A. from UCLA's Anderson School in 1998. He lives in New York. In July 2009, Mr. Cutter started a business-development position at Bloomberg LP.
Karina Diaz Cano was a consultant for PricewaterhouseCoopers in Washington D.C. Her position was eliminated in July 2008. Previously, Ms. Cano spent several years working in multicultural marketing and sales roles for Sierra Nevada Brewery Co. and MKTG, a marketing services firm. Ms. Cano, 33, earned an M.B.A. from Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business in 2006. She's now a communications consultant living in Washington D.C.
Brian Fetterolf lost his real estate investment banking position with Macquarie Capital Advisors in March. He had been a senior vice president there for 18 months. Previously, Mr. Fetterolf, 38, was a director at Lasalle Bank Corp. He earned a J.D. from Boston College in 1996 and an M.B.A. from the University of Pittsburgh's Katz Graduate School of Business in 2002. Mr. Fetterolf lives with his wife and three children in the suburbs of Chicago. In July 2009, Mr. Fetterolf started a corporate counsel position at TriState Capital Bank.
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Dice-K, who entered the game with a 1.26 ERA in two starts against the Devil Rays, got into some early trouble and is in a 1-0 hole after the first half-inning at Fenway.
Akinori Iwamura started the game with a single to right and Carl Crawford blooped one to center, bringing Iwamura around to third. Crawford then stole second, putting runners at seocond and third with no outs.
Matsuzaka got B.J. Upton to strike out on a slider in the dirt, but the next batter -- ex-Red Sox Carlos Pena -- drove in Iwamura on a groundout to first. Delmon Young ended the inning on a groundout to short.
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CAPITOL HEIGHTS, Md. (AP) — Amtrak says service between Washington and Philadelphia has been resumed after a man was struck and killed on the tracks in suburban Maryland.
Pedestrian killed by commuter train outside DC
Prince George's County police say the man was fatally struck around 2:40 p.m. Friday in Capitol Heights, just over the District of Columbia line. The circumstances of the incident remain under investigation.
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Even at 27, David Price still loves his Teddy Bear. When the Rays' pitcher –– and American League Cy Young award winner –– returned home for Thanksgiving on Wednesday, his mother stumbled upon Price's childhood toy. Despite collecting a Cy Young award and three All-Star nods, Price wasn't afraid to show his love for his teddy bear. He posted the text exchange with his mother, which included a picture of his little fan. My momma is the best!!!lockerz.com/s/263177771 — David Price (@DAVIDprice14) November 21, 2012 When a fan challenged his manhood in regards to the teddy bear, Price defended himself by bringing up the hardware that he recently won. But my cy young isnt!!! haha RT @sodapop6548: Mancard officially pulled. Lol RT @davidprice14 My momma is the best!!!lockerz.com/s/263177771 — David Price (@DAVIDprice14) November 21, 2012 With or without his Teddy Bear, Price has reason to celebrate since he's coming off a career year. Last season, he compiled a 20-5 record with a 2.56 ERA and 205 strikeouts. Check out a picture of Price's old friend and the text exchange with his mother below. Photo via Twitter/@DAVIDprice14
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- Nov 5:
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- Two Dems call for Pelosi to quit leader role
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Tea Party supporters became poll- watchers in precincts across Houston to guard against voter fraud. A fight over absentee ballots erupted as an issue in Pennsylvania. Democrats in Delaware accused Republicans of voter intimidation, and the Kansas attorney general is looking into a round of deceptive calls telling voters that they should show up at the polls today.
The kind of voting irregularities, accusations of fraud and deceptive practices that have become endemic to Election Day continued Tuesday with reports of problems with voting machines, difficulties with voter registration and misleading pre-recorded calls.
All in all, it was a fairly typical day at the polls with problems confined for the most part to a handful of jurisdictions and resolved quickly, according to reports from liberal and conservative groups that monitored the election.
"These are the same problems we have seen since we began doing election protection 80 years ago," said Barbara Arnwine of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.
In the Los Angeles area, residents reported receiving Spanish-language robocalls reminding them to vote today — one day after the election. Similarly, in Woodland Park, a business owner put up a sign in his window that said: "Democrats vote on Wednesday." Local officials removed the sign.
In Philadelphia, Fox News reported that a member of the New Black Panther Party, which created a still-swirling political controversy with its presence at the polls in 2008, was back at the polling place but without his billy-club-wielding colleague.
"There has been voter intimidation, deception and misinformation," said Wendy Weiser of the Voting Rights and Election Project at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice. "We are seeing an increase in these tactics. . . . It is fortunately not as widespread as we feared it might be."
Several Republican and Tea Party- affiliated groups across the country took their citizen activism to the polls to stop what they say has been rampant abuse of the electoral system. The Kitchen Cabinet, a group composed of conservative women, sent representatives to all 50 states to monitor voting and set up an Election Day hotline to monitor for fraud. By 6 p.m. EDT, there were no major incidents reported, a spokeswoman said.
In several places, poll workers overstepped their bounds by asking voters for identification where it is not required. In Minnesota, where conservative groups had run radio ads and offered $500 rewards to those willing to turn in anyone prosecuted for voter fraud, a few overzealous poll-watchers aggressively challenged voters until they were confronted by election- protection volunteers, lawyers monitoring the election reported.
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If you're wondering where the best career opportunities are, sometimes it's the job you've already got, sometimes you have to go find them, and sometimes, you have to make them.


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In this week's column, Garrett looks at PvP. Why do people do it? What forms are out there? Do you do it? Check out his full PvP column:
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I see you left out L2 open world PvP, but i do agree with most of what was discussed in that article.
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I PvP only if it makes sense in the world/lore I'm playing in. I'm not a fan of "because I can" PvP, which makes up the majority of MMO implementations these days.
DAoC in the beginning gave a reason, my realm against yours.
WAR gave a reason (and having worked for GW for a year and played their TT games for over 11 I'm intimately familiar with it) but their implementation of how we were able to fight I found lacking.
I like to have a world lore based reason for engaging in PvP or else I just don't get into it. I use online FPS games when I just want to "prove" to the next guy I'm "better" than he/she is (as they rely on the hand/eye coordination of the player behind the keyboard and being quicker than the next person wins, just as it would in the real world scenario you open this article with).
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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I PVP in MMOs for one simple reason: people make more interesting opponents than computers. People don't do the same thing twice (except the really stupid ones, of course). They don't run in a straight line. They retreat. They bring friends. They respec. They are always looking for an edge.
I occasionally read about a game (MMO or otherwise) that has a particularly good NPC 'AI', those brains that make NPCs play smarter and better. But this is a rarely a primary goal of game developers. (Afterall, who wants thier game to be 'harder' than the other choices out there?) Maybe it's a limit on the game engines, maybe it's a limit on the developer's imagination. Regardless, it it hard to argue that the actions of the Searing Gorge Fire Beetle (WoW) are much different than those of the Ekrund Nuglings (WAR).
But that's what I crave. A genuine challenge in the form of VARIETY. No, not 'more of them, with bigger guns, and more HP'. I crave opponents that mix it up. Real people are still the best way to simulate the play-style of real people!
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I agree with most of what is put up there, however current MMORPG model offer no real consequences nor punishment for the reason and meanginless act of PK A.K.A ganking.
It is because this lack of consequence that the self proclaimed PvP fanatics simply attack other players one day, and once the deed is done they go back to being a good citizen after a slap on the wrist. This can vary however, since some games reward people for these acts while others impose punishments that are does not really do anything.
Don't get me wrong, I love PvP, however I dislike those lukewarm actions of PvP. If I decide to PK someone, I rather that I am given option of consequence. Someone might gather their friends to come after me or post a reward on my death. The idea here is that the current MMORPG doesn't allow the player to impose long lasting consequence or an easy accesss retribution. The fact is that in real life one cannot just simply log off when vengence comes knocking.
Originally posted by DevilXaphan
Most people who have lives leave out L2 open world PvP because it takes too long to actually level a toon up high enough to have fun in L2's open world PvP. I've heard its great though, too bad I'll never experience (nor will most of North America).
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
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Most important thing about PvP is definitely the goal, if nothing changes then PvP feels hollow and wasted. The example of Tarren Mill is an example of wasted PvP where almost nothing is achieved.
My first PvP experience occurred on a MUD (multi-user dungeon) called Lengeria. It was 1996, and the Godwars code had just gotten hijacked from Kavir and a rash of Godwars muds had begun popping up. My friend told me about it and I logged on using telnet on a 14.4Kbps modem. I spent an hour getting my hands chopped off and figuring out how to play the game and finally trained from mortal to avatar. Suddenly a monk named Ken appeared before me in a "blinding flash of light". Ken proceeded to beat me to a bloody pulp, mortally wound me, and then rip my head off. It was at this point in my life that I discovered the thrill and potential humiliation of RPG based pvp combat. Ken obviously was class, and had about 30 hours more play time on his toon than I did. He had a clear advantage over me, and yet the game allowed him to kill me because I put myself in a position to allow it.
Interestingly enough even back then there was a point to cutting another player's head off, aside from it being an exhilarating thing to chase someone down and kill them and watch them shout insults at you over ooc, or shout, or w/e. Killing another player provided status which in turned had benefits in the form of increased hp/mana/move caps, and being able to create better gear for yourself, etc.
For myself, and I imagine a majority of players, the best incentive for PvP is allowing character advancement/improvement in one way or another. If I get to have another 1k life by chopping that other guy's head off then you can bet that I'm gonna work hard at getting ready to kill the SoB and laugh while I'm wiping his blood off my claws. If I get some points that let me boost some character stats, which results in almost no improvement to my character's fighting ability then you can bet I'm gonna laugh at you and find a new game. This is Warhammer's greatest flaw. They think the realm abilities they currently offer are actually an incentive to play their end-game, but they're not. Neither is zerging about to take PvP objectives. In fact, the locking of zones and such is also really dumb. Trying to force large open field battles (zerg fights) is ridiculous for a variety of reasons, such as most people's computers can't handle it, most game servers can't handle it, the resulting lag makes the event obnoxious and frustrating to the players, and the respawn system that's in place creates a team deathmatch atmosphere where players just surge back and forth killing each other in lagging aoes. No one really wins, and most people walk away having sunk in large amounts of time with very little to show for it.
In DAoC I used to run in a full group of 8, which back in the day was called a gank group, or w/e. This was a lot of fun for a variety of reasons.
1. DAoC's realm rank system provided real incentives for players to continue playing the game because the realm abilities actually made a difference in PvP (i.e. having det 5 on a savage meant you were practically unccable, whereas no det = you're fuggered)
2. Playing in a group of 8 meant you could field a fairly balanced group of dps and support/cc which meant your group could fight other full groups and have a chance of beating them = 8v8.
3. As your group of 8 continued to play together, earning realm ranks, and developing strategies, it would naturally be able to win more fights, and even fight more than 8 players at a time and still win. For instance I recall multiple times fighting 2 or even 3 groups and winning the fights. This might sound ridiculous, but the difference between skilled players who were all paying attention, experienced with their class, openly communicating, and high realm rank with players who were not was vast. Sadly these days the crappy players have all been playing long enough that they are really high realm rank and are able to just blow all their rr abilties and such making them very difficult to kill for a single group of 8 skilled players.
Taking towers and keeps was only ever a tactic used to get enemy players to come out and defend their frontier. Unfortunately Mythic moved towards objective based PvP with New Frontiers, then proceeded to ignore the disappointment of their longtime players with NF and implemented a similar system in Warhammer. It's basically a sad joke, and I just can't imagine myself playing either of those games again anytime soon. Especially with Warhammer's roll system at keep takes being a complete PoS.
I'll take incentive-based pvp anyday.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
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I agreed with most of that also. DaoC PvP was the best. Realm Pride, Relics, Keeps, Open field,, solo, duo, 8 man, zerg vs. zerg.
Three major problems with PvP nowadays.
1. Gear reliance. - PvE doesn't have to be all about gear. Just because you release an expansion *Cough ToA* doesn't mean you need to add in completely overpowered weapons/ gear. The look of them alone is worth getting sometimes. Think people won't chase a look or an item design? Check out CoH character creator,,, or WOW and their mounts.
2. Group PvP. Games today have not focused on pvp as a group. WoW characters are all able to solo, making the reliance on a group in a boxed in battleground or WAR's scenarios, less dynamic and less team oriented.
3. It's always two faction warfare. DaoC showed that 3 realm warfare worked very well in limiting population imbalances, because two smaller realm when needed could still gang up on the larger realm. It added to the immersion of it all. And who's heart didn't pound a little quicker when Sanaa Lathan told the predator,, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
I hear that Aion is the closet thing to daoc rvr in a long time. I"m hoping so. If not, we'll see if Earthrise's resource and territory control is enough.
IF mythic would make a daoc 2 with Old Daoc concepts, the original classes only, with updated skins and a Old frontiers (larger, but not so focused on siege, different keep models that made sense and didnt' take 40 players and 2 hours to take,, they'd have a second masterpiece. Bring back fast-paced dynamic RvR and let go of this slowpaced stationary junk.
Originally posted by Greenie
I agree with you on everything ESPECIALLY your last statement. One of the best parts about daoc pvp is how fast a group can move. Seriously, perm-sprint with the fastest speed in your realm was awesome. I hate hate hate how slow Warhammer is, it's like they want everyone to get stuck in a giant clusterf$&k. I hate giant clusterf$%ks, unless I'm hitting one when I want and from the angle I want. Mobility is such a huge part of pvp that is often forgotten in today's mmorpgs. AoC's mounts are awful, and while I like WoW's flying mounts, their pvp is all about gear, which I just don't care about, especially when I can get good gear in pve more easily. Anyway, I digress. Speed songs and such are great, especially when they affect entire groups. (But not more than a group, because then you're just a zerging pos.)
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
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I'm neutral on PVP's in MMO's. I tend to play on PvP servers (if it doesn't ruin the experience) because it adds a little bit of spice to the game. I also PvP if there is a reason for it, taking over a checkpoint or somehow else benefiting my character, my guild or my race. I sometimes tend to join the "PvP matches", if they are fun and rewarding that is. But overall PvP isn't the primary thing for me in MMO's, I trust FPS's to fill that niche for me.
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To me, some type of player conflict beyond PvE is what adds to the extended life of a game. Adding something that allows players to compete against other players gets the adrenaline going. It is especially more so when there is a lot at stake. Like in Shadowbane or EQ where you either lost all your coin or possibly lost all your work in building a city or empire.
MMOs Played: I can no longer list them all in the 500 character limit.
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PVP with a reason YES. Pointless dread style free for all PVP NO. DAOC has the closest to perfect PVP system ever designed. The model would work in any game. 3 realms in battle for territorial control where as that control had a direct impact on each individual realm. It's the only game i ever played where it felt like you were fighting for your side with an objective. Regretfully modern day PVP gaming culture will NEVER be what it once was simply because of the easy mode today's games have become.
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I believe PvP is good when done with a meaning and purpose. Ganking without a purpose or principle is rather silly. However, if they find it fun, I suppose it is their way of playing the game.
Funny thing is, most PvP oriented players that are just out for blood are only half decent. Usually it is the gamer who master both PvE and PvP including all other aspect of the game are the ones who stand at the top.
I still am waiting for games that apply some sort of optional consequence system when it comes to ganking. Such as being able to have a system to post rewards to hunt down the said player with system guided tracking system for anyone that took the bounty. So far EVE online seem to do this pretty well, however, I would like to see more of this type of optional consequences when it comes to ganking. This will actually improve the game's community in general, whether it is for better or worse, at least people will be more immersed in the game knowing that their actions affect the community in a way.
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Wipe them out...ALL of them.
I like to pvp for 2 reasons.
One it's more of a challenge going against other players because you don't know their gear or their play style so there is no single strategy that works every time against every class.
Two, raiding is boring to me. Doing the same dungeon 4 days a week to "maybe" get a piece of gear, where I can do a battleground and get gear almost as good is the better alternative for me. That way if I want to watch a movie, tv show, or play another video game or just do something else, I can and not have to feel obligated to a 'second job' of raiding.
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Just to offer another point of view; I never pvp. Never. I played Wow for four years, turned down challenges from others dozens of levels below mine, refused duels even from guildmates, etc.
For me, I don't feel good about winning a fight with another player, and I certainly don't feel good about losing one. And, while I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion, to me, open world pvp'ing is the equivalent of online bullying.
For those that enjoy pvp, have fun. Personally, I'd like to see at least one MMO where there was no form of PvP whatsoever.
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I definitely agree with you. I prefer to play browser games while working..
hehe...seems very popular just jon woods said in previous discussion. here I found top 10 pvp fighting browser based games http://www.playbbg.com/features/top-pvp-fighting-browser-games.html
I am not sure if i broke the forum rules, anyway, i just want to say something, among them, i prefer to play disciplemmo on playbbg and I will make a review later for the guys.
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Originally posted by haratu
I think this mentality is one of the problems with PVP and also a bit off topic but PVE as well. The large scale battles that break out between players is fun. Why does there have to be any kind of a reward other than enjoying a night of good PVP?
I think I'm a minority when I prefer to take away memories of a good night of PVP or even a long night of corpse runs (good old EQ1 days playing a cleric) after a raid wipe instead of "look at what I got last night". The memories I'll take with me but the digital items will be gone when the next expansion comes out or I move on to the next game.
Basically, I PVP for the increased difficulty of playing another player not the computer's AI and for the rare chance that some large scale battle may break out in the middle of nowhere just because it's fun.
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Originally posted by SwampRob
Absolutely agree with what you say. Good post. Sums up my feelings about PVP exactly.
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For me it hasd to be meaningful. Every guild I have ever been in, I have fought to defend the "kingdom", or "fight the good fight".
It makes up for the lack of ability to do so in real life against the real villians- Politicians, Financial institutions, Wal-Mart... ect...


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I was talking to a few guys I work with about this trade and we came to the conclusion that Barker is as good as gone and Khabby is. The Blackhawks envisioned Barker to be a potential powerplay stud who can put up some nice offensive numbers. The Blackhawks just signed that guy in Brian Campbell. He's going to make nearly 3 million and his game is just starting to improve. Hes a work in progress but will take more time. The Hawks dont need him or need to pay him as much as hes earning in this phase of his young career.
At first I was worried about losing Seabrook but not anymore. Theres no doubt in my mind Barker will be gone by the trade deadline.
As for the pens top 3 vs the Hawks top 3.... Its obviously going to go to the Pens but I would rather have Toews, Kane or Kopitar over Staal.
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basically what he's trying to say, is that you look at the hawks and the pens. Now take away Crosby/Malkin/Staal from the pens, and Kane/Toews/and a hypothetical Kopitar away from the Hawks. Now looking at those two rosters without those guys, who is better?
If the hawks played the pens in one game where those 6 guys mentioned were'nt on the ice, the Hawks would win easy. It's not even a contest. There is no way that they could keep up with us in that scenario.
is there any other offers that you guys can think of that would land us Kopitar? maybe make an adjustment to the ones already mentioned, or come up with your own...
im not too sure about that. You have to look at it from the kings point of view. Kopitar is one of the best young forwards in all of hockey. He is worth quite a bit.
i think we have been shooting this thing a little short. I think they will want Bulin, Barker, either beach or aliu, and a draft pick.
If i were dale, i would offer them bulin, barker, brouwer, and next years 1st round pick. if they didnt like it, i would replace brouwer with skille. If they didnt like that, i would maybe add in another prospect. Maybe someone like evan brophey or nate davis.
but that is still not saying they would do it. i'm sure that kopitar wont go anywhere.
Now heres a curveball for ya, if the price is right, Id maybe even throw Byfuglien's name out there just to see what we can get for him. Ofcourse Id try to trade Lang first but for some reason I dont see Buff in a Hawks jersey for a long time. If Aliu is ready this year, then it would make it easier to let go of big buff and assuming Beach is only 1 year away. I like Byfuglien just as much as the next guy but everyone has a price and to get a player like Kopitar, the Hawks are going to have to give as well. This would also create room for Aliu on the 3rd line.
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I dont know, but I dont think that buff is going anywhere anytime soon. If the hawks are going to make a deal, it is going to involve players from one of two buckets, or maybe both.
The first bucket is players that are old and have bad contracts. The langs/Bulins/ and even havlats of the world. i know havlats not old, but hes got a crappy contract.
The other bucket is prospects/draft picks. And I even think there would be a few untouchable prospects out there like aliu and beach. But we do have some very good prospects that could be able to bring in a huge player.
I would love to see us make a play for a kopitar or vermette by using a bunch of those young guys. I think if we packaged skille, brouwer, hjallmy, and barker for a kopitar. if we made that offer to the kings, they might have to think about it a little longer than they would want to.
The thing I like though, is that we know dale has something up his sleeve. We will make a rather large trade, if not a blockbuster trade, by the time the season starts. We have some salary to get rid of and have some very good players to give. So something will get done...
Kopitar is nothing but a pipe dream at this point.
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