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CFK to Harvard students: there is no 'dollar clamp'; don't repeat monochord questions
President Cristina Fernandez speaking at Harvard University denied there was a "dollar clamp", chided some students for making the same "monochord questions" as the Argentine media, attacked the IMF and finally described a question on her wish for re-re-election as 'abstract' since it does not depend from her or a single party.
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"There is no such thing as a dollar clamp in Argentina", said strongly Cristina Fernandez on Thursday addressing students as the Kennedy School of Government forum.
"The dollar clamp is a 'media made up phrase'; Argentina is the second country with dollars after the US, but we had a problem during the last election because of strong rumours that said we were planning to devalue. This led to the flight of four billion dollars in cash, stacked away, something which does not happen in Brazil, Chile or Colombia", underlined CFK.
"There is great misunderstanding about the issue and much media muddling. I'm not blaming anybody; I also had a deposit in US dollars".
However addressing the student who was Argentine the president asked him if it was a fair question to ask about the so-called dollar clamp.
"Do you have an idea of how many Argentines can't even make it to the University of La Matanza (a poor neighbourhood of Buenos Aires and stronghold of the dominating Peronist movement)?
On re-re-election the president was evasive.
"It's not whether I want it, but rather of what I can and should do. It is an abstract question because the Constitution does not allow a third mandate. At home we discuss many things, a constitutional reform does depend on me or an only political party", said CFK.
Another student asked about her patrimony to which the president said she could give an account of each of her assets and added "my economic position is because I've worked all my life and because I have been a very successful solicitor".
An Argentine student timidly said he felt one of the few privileged Argentines because he could ask the President and then brought up the issue of the government's 'self-criticism'.
"That short phrase you are using. Look, I've talked with millions of Argentines. It seems I was numb. You are intelligent kids you can't go around repeating in monochord what two or three journalists have come up with", said CFK increasingly annoyed by some of the questions.
As in previous speeches in the US and before answering questions CFK was particularly critical of multilateral organizations and at the same underlined the successful policies of her administration.
"We can't say we are living in Disney World. Argentina is no paradise or Disney but we have improved our situation", she said in reference to policies implemented in the country since 2003.
She then went after the IMF. "International multilateral bodies evidently are not working, and not recently, but from a long time back".
On the current economic crisis that the developed countries are living in CFK affirmed that "the economic conflict has turned political," and added that "as a president, I'm obliged to protect the Argentines' reserves".
She added that "the core of the international crisis was that they went from a production economy to believe that money could reproduce by money itself."
And regarding the 2008 financial crisis of the United States, the Argentine president reminded that "the investment banks had built a series of economic derivatives that led to the collapse of banking institutions".
With a degree of irony CFK said that Argentine sovereign debt ballooned in the nineties with the one Peso-one dollar convertibility system implemented by then Finance minister Domingo Cavallo. "I believe that at some time he (Cavallo) taught here in Harvard, well what he did is Argentina was totally absurd".
When asked about the controversy generated around the dubious rates and indexes release by the Indec stats agency such as the inflation rate, the President obligingly responded by asking what the US annual inflation rate was, to then unwittingly add: "but give me the official rate".
Informed it was around 2% on annual average, CFK just said: "Oh, really? Come on! And you believe that? If Argentina's inflation rate was at 25% like some people say, the country will blow up in the air".
CFK also had time for a quick reference to the bilateral conflict with the UK over the Falkland Islands and again attacked multilateral organizations.
"The UN Security Council has lost all functionality because we are in a new scenario, with problems totally different to those after World War II".
According to the Buenos Aires media over 2.800 graduates and under graduates registered for the Argentine president conference. However since the capacity of the forum is 700 they had to draw lots for the seats.
Another group of an estimated fifty Argentine residents were also waiting anxious to meet President Cristina Fernandez when she walked into Harvard University, but as in Buenos Aires banging pots and pans and with signs complaining about "Korruption" lack of security, no re-re-election and more respect for the Argentine media.
Before flying to Boston for the conference at Harvard Cristina Fernandez received the president of the Exxon Mobile Corporation, Rex Tillerson.
The meeting took place at the Mandarin Oriental hotel in New York at 5:30 pm (local time). Also present in the meeting were Argentine ambassador to the US Jorge Argüello, Legal and Technical secretary Carlos Zannini and presidential spokesman Alfredo Scoccimarro.
On Thursday night, Fernández de Kirchner had confirmed that Tillerson had requested to meet with her during her stay in the US.
Following the Harvard appointment the Argentine president and her delegation were scheduled to leave from Boston arriving in Buenos Aires early Friday morning.
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1 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:34 am
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We need to see the video to really enjoy this article.
2 GastonBaires (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:37 am
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Twitter and Facebook is exploiting making fun about the students.
Was trendy topic for hours in Argentina and worldwide too!
No mentioning on TV!
My god, embarrassing and a waste of time.
Only too good questions, one about the re-re election that of course she didn't answer. She said it was not a matte of she wants or not! And another about the Corporation responsibilities at the G20 and she said that they didn't spoke about that at the general meeting.
What a shame!
Perder el tiempo con chicanas entupidas.
3 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:43 am
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I particularly like her absolute denial that there is a dollar clamp in place. She must be following the adage that "if you're going to tell a lie you might as well make it a whopper"
What do you say when she flatly denies something that is patently true?
4 Santa Fe (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:47 am
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More lies from CFK jajajajaja
5 GastonBaires (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:50 am
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Im too tired to write in English, Im making a lot of mistakes.
Do you speak Spanish Indlehands? The article here is edited, she didn´t dinied the Clamp she explaied teh situation.
6 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:54 am
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Sorry no. Your English is perfectly understandable even with errors
7 reality check (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:00 am
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Your English is better than you think, you not making that many mistakes, my compliments on your skills.
8 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:05 am
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You only seem to make errors with spelling rather than grammar so it is easy to follow.
9 GastonBaires (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:05 am
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Santa Fe I dont really get the The purpose of articles that you posted. Well I know a conservative and British press doesn't like Argentina and also totally understand that about the Malvinas/Falkland issue they must have their own point of view!
But the second one, where they want to go with such a lie and almost an insult???
For other hand, honestly one question. Why In British press there's always news or articles about Argentina? We are not an important country or economic market to talk about!
10 Boovis (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:07 am
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Associated Press: "Fernandez spoke before more than 100 students, faculty and guests at the Kennedy School of Government. In Argentina, she has had five news conferences in five years and has only occasionally taken questions.
Fernandez said the criticism that she doesn't speak to the press is unfounded.
"I don't know where this comes from that I don't talk, that I can't speak, that I'm mute," she said in Spanish which was translated into English.
One student, who is from Argentina, asked Fernandez about Argentines' limited access to foreign capital when they want to travel abroad and increased taxes on credit and debit card purchases made outside the country or online.
"You are here and you are Argentine, so obviously you don't have dollar problems," Fernandez told the student. "You are lucky enough to study in Harvard. You think you can really talk about these currency problems?"
To another student, who asked if it was time for Fernandez to be more self-critical because of her country's escalating crime and what some say is its inflation problem, she said she expected different questions from her Ivy League audience.
Capital flight and wary investors have plagued Fernandez's second term, despite her attempts to use currency controls, taxes on the wealthy and programs for the poor to combat what some analysts have labeled the economy's impending downward economic spiral."
11 ElaineB (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:19 am
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Why can't she answer a direct question? She has imposed severe restrictions on the purchase of dollars. Fact. She responds by lying about it and then mocking the student, who was, no doubt, at Harvard before the dollar restrictions were in place.
Then she refuses to acknowledge the rising crime and inflation. Facts. And attack the questioner for asking a boring question (meaning, a question she does not want to answer).
Maybe she was hoping the students of Harvard would ask her where she bought her shoes or what colour hair dye she uses - questions she can actually answer. The woman is stupid, stupid, stupid. She is only President because her husband put her in power to perpetuate his rule, he must have known she is as thick as a brick shit-house. Sadly, when he died, the population fell for her widow-woman wringing of hands. Because, someone wearing black and sobbing on cue is, of course, all you need in a leader; in Argentina.
12 Boovis (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:28 am
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Don't forget they love their military types too; if they had a widow in military uniform maybe then they'd vote for that third term.
13 Beef (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:53 am
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There is no dollar clamp in Argentina
North Korea is a paradise which is why no North Korean wants to leave the land of Juche.
Hmmm. After years of struggle against dictatorship why are Argentines sleep walking into another one?
14 yankeeboy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:55 am
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Elaine, CFK is delusional, surrounded by YES men just as stupid and corrupt as she is, it must be very hard on her fragile psyche and mental stability to occasionally be thrown into the real world.
One a more lively note, Brazil lowered GDP estimates to 1.5% from 2.5% so I hope Arg doesn't think they''ll make up trade with exports of cars. December is going to be an interesting month.
Patacones or 10/1 Peso which will come first?
15 ElaineB (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:03 am
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The last time I was in Argentina, earlier this year, there was a lot of talk of, "We were better off under the military". Something I had not heard before.
I watch some of her speech on youtube and the comments from Argentines is overwhelmingly negative towards her. They seem miffed that she trashed one of their universities (Ooops, she forgot that to criticise anything Argentine is to be a traitor) and generally they are acutely embarrassed by her. One commented that they had taught at Harvard for three years and had 'never seen a political leader so aggressively defensive'.
16 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:14 am
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Is there a youtube video of the exchange (preferably with subtitles)
17 Captain Poppy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:27 am
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There were a good amount of Argentine's in the audience. The ones that were not Argentine took questions that were sent to them from Argentines.
"I feel highly privileged to be one of the few Argentines who can actually ask you a question," said another audience member, referring to the acrimonious relationship between Kirchner and the press. Many claimed that Kirchner has been very unresponsive to the media and that she neglects to respond to concerns from her constituents.
And she claims to have made her millions asa lawyer, but has been in politics how long? I wonder if she thinks she fooled anyone? She's happy to be home.
There were protesters as well outside.
18 TipsyThink (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:35 am
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CFK ( just woman mind !) should said that --- We are not divided by color( skin color and réligion are all good excuses for the kind of hatred and violénce ofteñ seen ) like you but divided by rich/poor liké you !!
iñ US reality ;
it is not cówardly run,but it is cówardly to run and leave someone béhind.
iñ US reality ;
when you are respoñsible for your families safety you can nót always just run away.If the people threatening you have coñtrol of your loved ones, you had better able to protéct them and not just run away.
iñ US reality;
even if you live in a nicé area,there are still occasions when you can be in danger.No place in safe from home criminals,criminals coming coming from outside your area or criminals you run intó whén you have to travel to locatioñs away from your home.
iñ US reality;
you can not spend your life running away ,and moving and moving and moving to somewhere else that might be safe .Sométimes you have to make a stañd.
aré there any gùys want to speak at Harlem University ?
19 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:36 am
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17 Captain Poppy - I was surprised to read what I assume was an error in that article. Nestor Kirchner was not barred from standing in the 2007 election as I understand it. I thought it was about switching to his wife for a tenure so that he could return for the 2011 election and therefore extend the Kirchner legacy.
Shame he died.
20 yankeeboy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:52 am
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19. Everyone thought Husband and wife would switch back and forth ruling the unwashed masses for life. Nestor just had the good fortune to die before they could cycle through it twice.
Her gov't is doomed. Once the people start protesting in front of high ministers residences all is lost. It means the people are not afraid of retribution any longer and for Peronism or any Fascist regime the people have to have some fear to make it all work.
21 LEPRecon (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:55 am
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@9 - Gaston
The British media, conservatives, socialists, liberals and general population don't care one way or the other about Argentina except for these 2 things:
1. You are trying to steal land that has never belonged to you - the Falklands - and dispossess the people who are direct descendents of the colony that the British 'supposedly' expelled in 1833.
2. You owe Britain, and the international community, a lot of money.
Now if you leave the Islanders alone and stop trying to colonise them, and payed off your debts, there never would be a bad word said about Argentina in UK papers.
I would also like to add that despite Argentina's belligerent attitude to the innocent people of the Falklands Islands and that you owe us money, Argentina is very rarely mentioned in the UK press.
Quite frankly you aren't that important to us.
22 ElaineB (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:59 am
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@19 He wasn't barred but had fallen out of favour. From reports at the time....
"The president's (Nestor) support has dipped slightly in recent months, however, amid an energy crisis, double-digit inflation and a corruption scandal. Candidates allied with him suffered bruising defeats in June in the Buenos Aires mayoral election and the race for the governorship of Tierra del Fuego province.
It remains unclear why the president has chosen not to seek re-election. But with incumbents barred from seeking consecutive re-election more than once, if Ms Fernández de Kirchner were to win the presidency, there is a possibility the two could seek to alternate in power."
23 briton (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:00 am
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Apparently, she slipped of the podium and cracked her plastics,
So they say,..
24 Anbar (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:20 am
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"Why In British press there's always news or articles about Argentina? We are not an important country or economic market to talk about!"
You only tend to appear in the press when your President (or other government representative) makes up history about the Falklands ISlands and demands we "Give them back".
THis is news-worthy because a) we never gave them up, never "took them" and therefore cant "give them back" and 2) its completely untrue that Argentina, at any time in its hsitory, has ever had control of, or a legal occupation of, the Falkland Islands.
THus, when your President and government make these sort of farcical claims, it becomes news-worthy.
a) Because its an outright lie and
b) because we like to goggle at the, apparent, fact that Argentinians believe this make-believe version of history.
Actually there is also a c) because Argentinians seem to regard an illegal colony of soliders and criminals, there for a miserly period of time, that ended in piracy, murder and rape, as being something to be proud of...its...staggering. Not the least because once Law & Order was restored by ther sovereign nation (the UK) almost all the "argentinians" decided to stay in the Falklands under British rule and only about 3 or 4 went back to Argentina.
SO, its laughable when the President of a country runs out this garbage and expects people to beleive it/
When will Argentinians learn to do their own research, read international history and RECOGNISE that WHENEVER their goverment starts going on about the Falklands it is becuase THAT GOVERMENT is deep in the shit, has trashed the economy and is depserate to get attention away form their own fialings.
It has NOTHING to do with sovereignity whatsoever...
and you fall for it every time.
25 gonzo (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:25 am
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watched the speech from start to finish (yes, I could endure the torturous and humilliating experience), and as expected, she embarassed my country in the most possible way. Let La Loca ramble on, and show her true colours... she is her own enemy...God save us from La Loca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26 malen (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:31 am
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About re re re election, I expected not an indetermination answer as always.
The constitution is clear, no third period, its the way it functions democracies, if not we have 12 years of demodictatorships. Do things like in Brasil, lula did, and put someone like Dilma, would be perfect, Dilma is better than Lula.
cepo al dolar exists and corruption about politians getting rich suspiciously in this gov more than I have seen in others. But what she would say there...
27 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:46 am
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Watching some of it last night without translation, she didn't seem to be agressive to the audience, she seemed to have a good rapport with some of the questioners, like the first one who she had a back and forth with or the last few she had to overrule the chai to take, and seemed relaxed and humorous throughout. From the translations in this article it looks like she did really well, despite the dissapointing nature of some of the montonous questions. Glad to see she won't point blank rule out re-election =)
28 Mendoza Canadian (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:47 am
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She got rich to the tune of $10 million dollars being a lawyer? When did she ever practise law? Me thinks its more of being a pig at the public trough.
A few days ago she said that VeneCuba was the greatest democracy in South America...does that mean that Argentina falls behind VeneCuba? In spite of her continual rambling on about "democracy" in Argentina??
Anyway...she gives Lanata so much ammunition its almost laughable...almost.
29 Captain Poppy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:59 am
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I am starting to think BK is asslips personal tiolet.....where do you keep your bidet BK?
30 ChrisR (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:12 pm
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At least she turned up and got on the podium.
As for answering questions it was about what we all expected.
What a missed opportunity by the students if you ask me.
31 reality check (
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@29 Captain
I think he has single handedly developed a new strain of Fetishism, BKSM or BDBK, something along those lines. I can see Madams all over the world feverishly re equiping their establishments to cater for his kind of particular pecadillo.
32 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:19 pm
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#28 "A few days ago she said that VeneCuba was the greatest democracy in South America...does that mean that Argentina falls behind VeneCuba?"
Well maybe she means Argentina's just got a bit of catching up to do, especially in the economic sphere to become more socialist, but I like her even more for having said that =)
33 agent999 (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:04 pm
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What university does her daughter Florence go to ?
34 gonzo (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:12 pm
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@27 British-Kirchnirist
"Watching some of it last night without translation..."...
I watched ALL of it (from beginning to end), including ALL the questions that she had to answer (the ones she fetlt comfortably with she answered willingly and with sense of humour ; and the ones which made her uneasy she answered with awkwardness, inaccuracy and a degree of arrogance beyond belief).
I strongly recommend that you watch and listen to carefully all of the questions she was asked and answered, and humbly and honestly come back to us confirming whether you still feel the same way about her performace last night.
35 Captain Poppy (
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Chris that majority of the students that asked questions were Argentines. I think the school wanted as many as possible....hence the applauses when asked. Doesn't the trolls think anything of her outright lies about RGs having U$ dollars knowing they are all but illegal to invest, have, save with or possess since the "Pesification"?
#31 I think asslips squats over BK......he really does have a fetish level attraction with asslips to a level of being an obsessive personality disorder.
Did you notice that when she speaks she is all over the road, with no focus? SHe is suppose to be a granad speaker and if you ask me (even if you don't) she is a mundane and less than ordinary speaker.
36 ElaineB (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:21 pm
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I used to think she was probably good with the domestic audience - specially selected and paid to be there - as she knows how to drop in nationalist phrases in her ramblings and cry when necessary. However, her attempts to emulate Chavez by dominating the TV screens for hours has gone down very badly with Argentines. Many of the protesters are sick of her being on the TV night after night.
37 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:28 pm
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I see the contrary, you may want to check your facts again.
This conference was cringeworthy and her performance was lousy at its best.
It makes me feel ashamed to be argentine with a government like this.
38 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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39 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:02 pm
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Are you trying to tell us something TT ?
40 EnginnerAbroad (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:24 pm
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By now people on here know my views of Peronism and CFk so I will mearly post todays editorial from the Bs As Hearld and you can make up your own minds.
41 gonzo (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:31 pm
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Thanks for your advice, I will certainly invest in some (not all) of these companies , as opposed to YPF, Aerolineas Argentinas, Aguas Argentinas and argentine government bonds (which, by the way, are performing brilliantly, aren't they? thanks to the KaKa business accumen and the trustworthy and reliable environment for investment created by the same Kaka govt.) Brilliant honest advice, heartfelt thanks!!!
42 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:38 pm
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That's not my advice, that was Moody's, S&P, and Fitch's advice circa 2007.
None of you are man enough to admit it, they lied to all of you.
Yes, had you invested in an argie bank in 2007, you would have done MUCH better than investing in a bank in the USA, Europe, or other places.
I know you won't believe me, but it is actually true.
AAA banking system? You lost 84% of value according to most banking stock index trackers. B3 banking system? You gained 7%.
43 LEPRecon (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:50 pm
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@42 - Tobias
"Yes, had you invested in an argie bank in 2007, you would have done MUCH better than investing in a bank in the USA, Europe, or other places."
How is having the Argentine government stealing your money and giving you worthless bonds much better then investing in a bank anywhere else in the world?
"I know you won't believe me, but it is actually true."
Being an academic (as you always say you are), you will know that saying things like 'but it is actually true' is meaningless unless you have EVIDENCE to back it up.
Yet the UK still has its AAA+ credit rating. Argentina's credit rating is in free fall.
But don't worry Tobias. You don't need the rest of the world do you? However the other 39,999,999 people in Argentina may not agree with you.
But can you comment on YOUR president blatantly lying in front of the whole world? No dollar clamp in Argentina, when all her recent policies have been about er...clamping the dollar, restricting who can buy it, how much they can buy, and whether they can leave the country with those dollars, or use their credit cards and paypal for international purchases.
If it looks like a dollar clamp, walks like a dollar clamp and smell like a dollar clamp, you can bet your bottom dollar that it is a dollar clamp!
Did you see what I did there? LOL
44 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:55 pm
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Hands up if you need a sleeping bag to join a queue to buy dollars? I bought C.$25,000 this morning and it took me roughly 60 seconds. I admit I wasn't spending my own money but the principle is the same.
45 yankeeboy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:13 pm
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How do you figure if the Peso is the worst performing currency in the world?
Between the astronomical inflation and the daily depreciating currency if you put money in a bank in Argentina you would be much worse off over the year!
Why do you think you have U$100 Million a DAY LEAVING THE BANKING SYSTEM?
Gosh you are stupid.
46 Idlehands (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:18 pm
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I think he believes 2 pesos are better than 1 peso without any reference to it's purchasing power at the time of ownership.
47 yankeeboy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:24 pm
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46. I think all the posters here believe that! According to Think everyone is rich and living well! I guess he's never seen Retiro.
48 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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Where are your sources to back up what you say?
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
Where are your sources to back up what you say?
As usual, accusing me of not providing sources (like you need sources to understand the list of banks I listed DID FAIL, but keep your heads well buried, I believe you... there's never been any economic crisis in the USA or UK).
I believe you.
No really I do.
Yes... yes.
I do.
For real, calm down.
Repeat it?
Yes, I believe you.
I do.
Pinky swear.
In Spanish?
Te creo.
49 Captain Poppy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:32 pm
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An American is walking down the street when he sees a RG
with a very long pole and a yardstick. He's standing the pole on its
end and trying to reach the top of it with his yardstick.
Seeing the RG's ignorance, the American wrenches the pole
out of his hand, lays it on the sidewalk, measures it with the
yardstick, and says, "There! 10 feet long."
The RG grabs the yardstick and shouts, "You idiot American!
I don't care how long it is! I want to know how high it is!"
Q. How do you sink a RG battleship?
A. Put it in water.
Q: What do you do if a RG throws a pin at you?
A: Run like hell - he's still got a hand-grenade between his teeth
Q: Why did the RG cross the road?
A: He couldn't get his dick out of the chicken.
50 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:39 pm
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Sorry, but polish jokes are never applied to argentines. Stick with your Suicide and Ego jokes.
51 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm
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#34 Is there a video with English subtitles. I had it on the whole time but said "watching some of it without translation" to point out I didn't understand the words and so just had it on in the background and checked it out occasionally rather than focusing like I would on a video in English
52 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:04 pm
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I love when she warned some of the present that they were students from Harvard instead of being students from La Matanza, that is the one of poorest areas of Argentina. I could not expect anything else from a rich and millionaire oligarch old lady.
CFK...your time is running out.....tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac !!!
CFK your time is running out
53 Captain Poppy (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:12 pm
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92 days
Q. How do you sink a Argentine battleship?
A. Put it in water
Q: Did you see the Argentine submarine with a screen door?
A: Dont laugh, it keeps the fish out.
Q: Did you know that Argentina just bought 10,000 Septic Tanks?
A: As soon as they learn how to drive 'em, they are going to invade
Have you seen the apologies all over facebook from Proud, Argentines about their idiotic president? I'm thinking argentine politicians, in Forest Gumps words, are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you will get. Asslips is really a waste of human flesh, someone more deserving can be getting those botox injections.
54 axel arg (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:53 pm
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Respecting the so called re-relection, c. f. k answered:
It's not the wish of this president, and it's not my competence.
I am sorprised that mercopress omitted when she said that it's not her wish to reform the constitution in order to be re- relected, anyway beyond this omission, i have always thought that mercopress is a very serious web site, because it neather distorts nor lies when it informs. If the most important newspapers that we have here (clarin and la nación) were as serious as mercoperss, we would have a very serious oponent press to c. f. k's gov., however they distort and lie almost all the time when they inform. Respecting the two coferences that she gave at the two universities, i must say that i was really sorprised for the law level of the arguments, and the mediocre questions that most students expressed before c. f. k. I think that if they study at such a prestigious university like harvard, it's because they have a high academic level, however their questions were based mostly on distortions and lies that were published by the most powerfull press which is against c. f. k's gov. If they knew that they were going to have the chance of asking a question to the president, they should have investigated much more about the situation of our country, especially they should know about the big push of power that the most powerfull mediatic corporation (clarin group) has with her gov. since she took office in 2007. Beside, just a few of them knew about the new broadcast law that was approved in 2009, which doesn't allow the oligopolic or monopolic concentration in the press, which increased much more the tension between c. f. k's gov. and the clarin group. Anyway, i must recognize also that a few questions were very interesting. Finally i hope that after this answer by cristina, many of you stop speculating about soposed future reform of our constitution, she was perfectly clear yesterday about it.
55 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:13 pm
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Well, maybe Roskilde Bank did default, but we still got our AAA+ ratings here in Denmark and has become a safe haven for foreign investors due to our economic policy...and we have a nice surplus on our trade balance.
The difference between Argentina and Denmark is that we can handle a crisis, which you can't, our politicians don't steal from us, nobody tells the medias what to write or not, nobody is paying for votes, anyone can get all the Dollars they want (but we don't want to because we don't need to), we have 100% transparency regarding all official documents, our Prime Minister is giving a weekly press conference (with Q's and A's), inflation is around 2% p/a (even on the unofficial food basket), we have no demonstrations because of low wages or a corrupt government, we have hardly any random murders, we can trust our police and don't have to tip them whenever they have provided their service, we care for the environment and my girlfriend (when she arrives here from Argentina in December) can walk the streets at night alone and safely.
Now TTT, as for Roskilde Bank...frankly we don't give a damn.
56 TipsyThink (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:17 pm
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CFK is moré luckier than us bécouse at least shé does not read monochord ínternet comméñts everydáy like us.
57 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:31 pm
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You really are going to make me believe you are a Dane? Just happening to come by not just this part of the internet, but this forum, and this article, to find a list and just happen to scroll and see a Danish bank.
58 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:35 pm
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I have lived in Argentina for a year, so I'm following the development down there closely.
59 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:39 pm
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Another unfortunate one to have lived here. Man this forum is filled with unlucky bastards, somehow sent to this hellhole. Your english is soo good...
60 Conqueror (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:43 pm
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@9 There isn't ALWAYS news about your cesspit in British newspapers. Only when your lying, thieving "president" or one of her lying, thieving retards come out with something stupid. I agree that seems a lot. Perhaps you could persuade them to stop being so stupid. Although it tends to be congenital amongst latinos!
@34 What a pointless request. BK doesn't think the sun shines out of CFK's arse, he thinks CFK's arse IS the sun. It's one reason his face is so brown!
@49 They were funny. But you got one wrong. The clue is that the proper answer is: Show it to a British submarine!
@51 No. No-one is prepared to waste the time. Just make up any old lies about how wonderful argieland is, and how wonderful she is, and how wonderful she is, and how wonderful she is, and you'll probably have it covered.
@54 Shut up, axle. (That IS a deliberate spelling) Everyone now knows that you don't have a brain. If you want to comment, go and do so on the (spanish) gibberish site. You don't have enough brain to debate with proper people.
61 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:45 pm
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MaxAue (#)
You are 100% right but I would prefer to be president of Argentina instead of being from Denmark. CFK could make plenty of money being president, nobody will answer her about the origing of it and, on top of everything, she will enjoy a hugh retirement income as a former president.
The Denmark Prime Minister will be an average citizen with no privileges after her/his retirement while CFK will be resting in her farm in the Patagonia !!!!
In Denmark you can get dolars, with no inflation, no crime, no corruption and safe...it's aboring country !!!!!
62 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:47 pm
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I think this is the same Brit posing as a Dane and argie, talking to himself.
How original, for an internet forum.
63 briton (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:47 pm
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24 Anbar (#) Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
"Why In British press there's always news or articles about Argentina? We are not an important country,
Your very right their,
But in fact, argentina is rarely mentioned in British papers..
26 malen
About re re re election, I expected not an in determination, answer as always
You mean she will pull the petals of the flower,
Im in , im out , im in , im out , im in , im out,….lol.
38 Truth_Telling_Troll
You missed one ,,,…
64 toooldtodieyoung (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:48 pm
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Isn't it funny, how, just when you think a person can't possibly, possibly embarrass themselves anymore, they suddenly do?
The falkland islanders don't need to hold their referendum anymore. The whole world now knows that this woman is an idiot, a fool and a liar.
It is probably best now if KFC crawls back under the rock from whence she came............and takes her insanity with her.
65 Brit Bob (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:49 pm
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Apparently she got really embarrassed when asked questions about her personal wealth and Argentine inflation.
66 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:50 pm
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CFK...your time is running out.....tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac !!!
67 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:52 pm
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Well, let me put it this way: I had been to Argentina a number of times before I decided to move there. I thought that this was the land of opportunities, having met so many nice people down there. However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society Argentina is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around Argentinians and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of Argentina.
Now, what really worries me, is to read your comments and being a witness to your unconditional devotion to CFK. To me it seems like, either you're on a pay roll or you haven't got the slightest clue about what it takes to create a society worth living in....for everyone!
A little self criticism and self reflection is all it takes to get out of that delusion of yours.
68 toooldtodieyoung (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:57 pm
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52 pgerman
"CFK your time is running out"
I'll hold the door open while you kick the b*tch out of it.
69 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:00 pm
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tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac !!!
70 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:02 pm
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Enjoy your inflatable argie girlfriend, my British friend.
71 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:04 pm
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LOL - you ran out of arguments or what?
72 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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I only debate with people who say where they are from, you are not Dane.
73 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:07 pm
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And why do you say that - do you know who I am?
74 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:10 pm
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You don't provide any evidence to back your claim up. You clearly want me to rail against Denmark, which I can certainly do given the aggression Denmark has shown against Argentina in the past, but I won't be drawn into it.
75 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:14 pm
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Which aggressions are you talking about. As far as I know, Denmark has always being on good terms with Argentina....except for that time, when we threw out those agents who smuggled Nazi collaborators out through Denmark to Argentina for Peron in 1946.
76 Tobers (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:14 pm
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Do you know the difference between bias and lies?
Clarin lies 'ALL the time'? Really? Maybe it lied in the past in a different era. I dont know. But look at Clarins front page today or over the last week or month.... and give me a single article about CFK and her 'government' which suggests that it lies 'ALL the time'. Anti CFK? Yes and so what. Liar? wheres the evidence?
Also you conveniently forget just how many people in Argentina are employed in state run controlled media outlets. In most countries of the world this is a clear conflict of interest and this activity is called propaganda. In ARgentina many of the multitude and extensive media outlets pretend to be neutral whilst not reporting the oppositions actions to the 'government' or not reporting the government's failings or simply ridiculing the oppossition for daring to question the government. This is pathetic and decietful. At least Clarin makes its position more than clear
I unlike you base my opionions on individual certifiable facts whereas you and your kind's sole interest is to protect your belief system. At whatever cost. Therefore I can say happily that I agreed with a number of things she said. They can be backed up with clear and ample evidence. However she also blatantly lied and downplayed a number of things. Again the lies can be proved as such by clear and ample evidence.
As usual, she, like her entire cabinet shows an arrogance and patronising manner and victimhood when people - Argentines or not - dare to question her policies and comments. At the end of the day shes employed by the state and should be answerable to her policies, actions and comments. Its not complicated. Humble and fair she isnt.
77 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:19 pm
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1931 attack by Danish whaling ship to a similar Argentine whaling ship off the coast of San Julian port
1946 interference in internal argentine affairs
2001 voting against Argentine restructuring of debt.
Like I said, Argentina has grievances against all of the European racist nations. And whether it is us or divine providence, the score shall be settled.
78 Joe Bloggs (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:28 pm
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Is there any country Argentina doesn't have a grievance against? Don't just throw an answer back either. I'll want to know what your sources are.
79 briton (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:29 pm
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does that incluse Ice Land,
80 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:29 pm
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1931: Ye, that was indeed an act of war...not
1946: Interfere with a country which supports our enemy (The Nazis) - kind of obvious isn't it)
2001: You threw the party - you pay for it my friend.
Dear TTT, if I may give you a good advice, you should stop posting in this forum as you are making a fool of yourself. Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, and you suffer from this common Argentinian decease called "self righteousness". I feel so sorry for all those kids growing up in Argentina who have to listen to your boludo.
81 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:30 pm
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#54 I can see, and respect, what your trying to do here, trying to defuse the hysteria on here about Cristina being/becoming a dictator etc. However the way I read that sentance, which you read as her saying she doesn't want to run again, was simply that its not in her power to do so under the current constitution, which is probably also why she called the question abstract. But if the constitution was to change, then maybe that doow is not completely closed =) And don't you think that would be a good thing to do, as Chavez has done and as British leaders don't need to as they have no term limits anyway? Or do you think another Cristinista candodate in 2015 would be better, and if so which one? I'm asking you these things seriously as I appreciate your point of view =)
#56 Lol!
82 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:34 pm
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@76 so, based on you comments ("I agreed with a number of things she said") you believe that the Argentine inflation is rouding 10%...and the Reserves of the Central Bank are 47.000 million dollars...quite clear you are another Argentinian living outside your country..happy you !!!!
83 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:38 pm
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Sadly no, the nature of the beast (European culture).
Iceland, I'll get back to you.
You were thieving our catch in OUR waters. Typical european criminality.
The more people say I'm making myself a fool, the more I know I've struck a chord because the truth and facts are unconfortable, and my IQ allows me to hold a debate on 10 different articles with 5 people in each.
That means that without a sweat I debate 50 people simultaneously.
Is not that hard really, when you have the FACTS AND TRUTH. Unlike the rest of you, I don't have to think back on the lies I made, that's what makes you all so slow.
84 ljordao (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:38 pm
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Heavens! According to you, even little Denmark whacked you with impunity. You'd better pump up your belief in divine providence...
85 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:40 pm
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But you didn't now did you? How is Brazilian Uruguay doing? hahahahahah
86 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:44 pm
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Bwahahahahahaha - have you forgot that you are European descendants, and you are still such European wannabe's :)))
...and I'm not impressed by you being able to have 50 conversations going. Maybe that's why you are so pelotudo :)
87 jakesnake (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:45 pm
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Hi Tobi. How are you? Have you ever been outside of Argentina?
88 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:45 pm
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@85 Do you believe that the Argentine inflation is rouding 10% too?...And do you believe that the Reserves of the Central Bank are 47.000 million dollars?...Are you another Argentinian living outside your country?..happy you !!!!
89 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:50 pm
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In Argentina you have the only country on Earth where you can drive from an amazonian semi-jungle, to an advancing glacier in the tundra. And every solitary ecosystem in between (desert, forests, cacti, steppe, prairie, savanah, swamp, wetland, hills, coniferous forest, broadleaf forests, cold steppe, subpolar rainforest, beaches, mountains). Of course all climates on Earth are here too (tropical to subpolar). We have cities, one of the biggest cities in the world, and other smaller cities. Towns, countryside. All cultures are present here, even if in small numbers. I can visit a german, french, portuguese, welsh, english, russian, polish, serb, turkish, jewish, chinese, lao, japanese, bolivian, peruvian, chilean, brazilian, african, slovene, dutch, danish, X, Y, Z town in Argentina to see the world.
There is nothing outside Argentina that you can't find in Argentina. No need to ever leave my borders to have a taste of the world in everyway.
Those are internal argentine to argentine discussions, which I don't hold here. We are being attacked by foreigners here. The discord ends at the shoreline, as the Americans say.
90 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:54 pm
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You're a good laugh, but I'm going to abort mission here - you are not of this world. Unfortunately it's people like you, who's giving normal Argentinians a really hard time....and you don't even realize it. Sad!
91 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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Nice try, you just can't put forth an objection to my remarks that in Argentina I have the world without leaving the country (totally true and you know it).
Mendoza is doing really well, thank you.
92 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:58 pm
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No - you don't have the world in Argentina, and I know it, as I have been in both Argentina and pretty much the rest of the world. So actually I know better than you, that you're wrong.
93 pgerman (
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@89 you are wrong.
The fact is that you know that CFK is a corrupt lady that lies all the time and is leading the country to another economical disaster.
SHE is the enemy of regular Argentine people !!!! her corruption affects thousands of kids who cannot eat or study.
She, and her familiy and friends, spent thousands of public USD dollar travelling in the official plane to solve their personal business !!!!
The fact is that you don't have the courage to admint that Argentina is right now such a bad place to live that not a single islander would accept am agreement to be part of us. And I don't hate them so I would suggest that they stay away (and far very far) from Argentina...at least from the time being.
94 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:01 pm
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I do, want me to show you the biggest Danish town in Latin America? If you really are Dane you would know which one that is.
95 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:04 pm
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I have been to Necochea, and it has nothing to do with Denmark.
96 pgerman (
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CFK ...your time is running out.....tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac !!!
97 jakesnake (
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@89 Yep, I've been from one end of Argentina to the other. Have you been fortunate enough to have visited all of those cool places and ethnic groups in your country? Go up to Calilegua and Baritu some time. It's spectacular.
Your answer, by the way, answered many many things.
98 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:08 pm
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Well, you do have surprises.
I don't need to see Danish buildings, I just have to experience the culture. So, I can go to Denmark without leaving.
(If I want to see pastoral scenes like Denmark), I just go up the road.
Then arrive in Tres Arroyos, to enjoy Holland.
Then drive Daireaux to experience France.
Then go north to Lincoln, Armstrong, etc, to experience the Irish.
Drive east to Hurlingham and then to San Isidro to enjoy English culture.
Fly south to Gaiman and I'n in Wales.
Go north to Villa Belgrano and I'm in Germany.
Go to Obera and I'm in Ukraine, head to Villa Angela and I'm in Serbia.
Drive 20 minutes south of Menodoz to Ugarteche and I'm in Bolivia.
Head west on the highway to the mountains and stay at the Swiss Village, have jam and hot chocoate (do it all the time), I'm in Switzerland.
And I can go and on and on and on and on....
That's how great Argentina is.
Lets not get into the climate and natural variety unequalled by any nation on Earth as well.
99 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:09 pm
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As I just told you, that area has nothing to do with Denmark and is out of comparison.
100 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:14 pm
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So what you are saying the people there are 'fake'?
They seem to have Danish blood to me... Are you disowning your own people?
101 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:16 pm
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Haha - well, if that's your perception of the world, you couldn't be further from the truth. But that explains you delusional argumentation I guess.
102 yankeeboy (
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Toby, You have got to be kidding. That is like saying I have been all over the world because I have been to Epcot Center! What an absolutely ridiculous fnatasy you are living.
I had a house in San Isdro and it is nothing like the UK, Bariloche is not like Germany, Bolivia yeah there is a lot of that in Argentina you got me there.
You have been brainwashed and it is pathetic. I feel sorry for you.
103 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:19 pm
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I just googled "necochea argentina" and took one of the first pictures of people I could find.
Just admit it, I can see every culture on Earth (perhaps with the exception of Australian aboriginal), without leaving my country.
Can you say the same?
104 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:19 pm
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Couldn't agree more. It's sad isn't it?
105 pgerman (
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@98 and if you want to be stolen and killed go to Retiro and take pictures with a camera near Villa 31.
If you want to be stolen by a puclic servant you can try to pass through the Custom's House in the International Airport..like in Nigeria.
If you want to experience a dangerous trip by train take the Sarmiento line.....you might be trapped in a train crash like in India
If you want to buy dollars or any other foreigner currency go to exchange offices in Buenos Aires...you will experience Venezuela.
And if you want to experience the typicla arrogance of some Argentine people just start a discussion about Argentina !!!
106 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:23 pm
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You're pathetic and it's so sad.
107 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:25 pm
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No one has disproved that all the towns I mentioned are inhabited by people of cultures from all over the world. Whether the buildings look like the country is irrelevant. They came here escaping their countries, not to emulate them. But they kept some of their culture.
That's what I care about seeing. The culture.
And I can keep listing tows:
Venado Tuerto (northern Italian)
Concordia (Hungarian)
Rio Tercero (Georgian)
Avellaneda (Paraguayan)
Balcarce (lombard)
To see landscapes, I can see any landscape in Europe or the USA in Argentina, with the exception I will admit of the Grand Canyon (but La Rioja has similar formations, though not a canyon).
Everything else, I never have to leave. Fact.
108 jakesnake (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:25 pm
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@98 Yep, I do understand that there are many ethnicities in Argentina. Just to let you know though, to say that you can experience German culture by going to Villa Belgrano is, well, it's just not the truth. Go to Germany some time and you'll see how Villa Belgrano and Germany might as well be Venus and Mars. I mean, you can have a festival in a place that also typically takes place in a different country, but to say it's truly experiencing that culture.... not even close. Are there even any people left in Villa Belgrano who are more than 1/4th or 1/8th German?
That whole area, Villa Belgrano, La Cumbrecita, etc. is gorgeous. But, to say "it's just like going to Germany". Well, that couldn't be further from the truth.
109 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:29 pm
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This might be a too personal question TTT, but are you a retard? If so, I'll bear with you, if not, seek medical attention because what you say is way out and you're just writing yourself up in a corner here.
110 pgerman (
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Do you believe that the Argentine inflation is rouding 10% too?
Do you believe that the Reserves of the Central Bank are 47.000 million dollars?
The cultural diversity of Argentina was achieved thank to the old leader class...like Sarmiento, Mitre, JA Roca...but you don't like them beacues they were republicans and honest people.
Most probably, and following your "leader" instructions, you will start trying to convince all of us that all the good thing of Argentina were achived thanks to CFK !!!!
111 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:39 pm
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Amid all this bashing back and forth, here's a good laugh from an expat's perspective. Enjoy :)
112 pgerman (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:45 pm
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The real fact is tha Argentina is now being ruled by a group of facist and populist, like CFK, who hate the old leading class because they were republicans, honest and freemasons.
When these people led the country Argentina was considered one of the young countries with better future...now...we know what we are.....just visit Argentina and face the truth !!!
113 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:53 pm
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Whatever, I do not need to discuss this with any of you. It is you morons who eat Dulce de Leche and Alfajores in your stupid countries and believe to have experienced our culture (which you trash daily here).
114 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:04 pm
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Wrong again! We don't eat Dulce de Leche and Alfajores in Denmark. Not even Argentine meat is considered a delicacy anymore, so nobody bothers selling it. And if we want to experience Argentinian culture, guess what, WE GO TO ARGENTINA.
115 ljordao (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:06 pm
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@ 85:
Brazilians bear no ill will towards Uruguay. True, it was once part of our country, but we do not train our children in Lebensraum myth-making. We respect Uruguayans' right to self-determination.
116 Think (
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(109) Kære Max Aue
I have read your responses to Mr. TTT with interest….
I would like to comment some of them….
1) You describe Denmark, as I remember it……..........., in the seventies.
Things ain't sooooo "rosy" anymore, min lille ven….
2) You say:
"However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society Argentina is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around Argentinians and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of Argentina.
I say:
However, after a couple of months, being able to scratch the surface, I realized how sick a society …………… is - things you don't see, when travelling as a tourist. Being around ……………. and working with then, I saw things, that I didn't want to see, things that totally destroyed this picture perfect image I had of …………...
(Fill the dotted lines with the Nationality of your preference and it will fit perfectly….........)
So; let me put it this way....: You seem to be suffering from that common "Developed Nation" disease called "Self Righteousness".
To finish.....; paraphrasing your words again…..:
"A little self criticism and self reflection is all it takes to get out of that "self righteousness". of yours.
Gode Hilsner
El Think
Chubut, Argentina…
117 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:19 pm
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I feel sorry for you. But then again, not that Denmark has such high priority for us in Argentina. Not even Italy, the UK or Germany do.
You respected self-determination of Uruguay after Argentina whacked you and was half way up the Rio Grande do Sul, and then you called on mommy England to have everyone sit down (you were also broke from the war, and had rebellions all over Brazil because it wasn't going too well).
118 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:25 pm
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Good post.
I agree with you to a certain extend, but there are levels of, should we say, misfortune. Denmark has it's flaws, but at least we have a government that is aware of it and is working to improve things around. Sorry, but I can't say the same for Argentina.
And I'm not saying that how we do things around here is perfect, but if I compare to Argentina it comes pretty close.
...and you know what, you have an incredibly beautiful country with a lot of really nice people, and I could list a million things I like about Argentina. It's just such a shame that you have an incompetent government fucking up everything and preventing your country from achieving and becoming what it what it has the potential of.
119 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:37 pm
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Why does every foreigner from every nation here say the same thing, that Argentina never learns from mistakes? We don't make mistakes.
If we did, people would have listed them.
120 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:39 pm
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I think people in here hit a dead end with you TTT. You're on you own now.
121 Think (
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I give you that our present government is very imperfect, but.....
If you just cared to read a bit of Argentinean history you would know that the present Kirchner period is the best Argentina and the Argentinean people have had in the last 60 years......
You could also consider from what dephts this government had to start the reconstruction of our Country after the the 2001/2002 economic and social meltdown.
Not a small feat, I can assure you.................
122 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:48 pm
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How can Europeans lectures us on mistakes when you for 1000 years were swimming in them? That's my point.
123 MaxAue (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:51 pm
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I got Your history covered and I know it hasn't been easy, but what I just don't get is why you keep electing thieves for government. You are a young country and have a lot to learn (no offence), but it seems like you are too proud and stubborn and refuse to learn from those of us, who have been through that whole process. Admitting flaws and lacks can be a quality and a little self criticism can improve a lot of things easily.
...and then there are corruption and lack of transparency. The root of all evil.
124 Think (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:11 pm
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(123) MaxAue
I really would wish you would stop being so patronizing........
Just in the last 9 years, the Kirchner government has passed and implemented hundreds of laws, regulations and systems directly inspired and learned from the progressive forces in the developed countries.
You seem intelligent and informed enough to know about them.....
About corruption......:
Corruption is a big scourge for all us.
Many down here are doing their best to combat it.
We are NOT blind to it.
Quite different, I must say, with the Europeans....
Just the recent LIBOR (London Interbank Offered Rate) corruption scandal has costed the global taxpayers trillions of dollars....
Or the recent CIBOR (Copenhagen Interbank Offered Rate) corruption scandal has costed the Danish taxpayers billons of Crowns....
And (nearly) nobody is doing anything against it.............
125 gonzo (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:26 pm
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@K TROLLS such as TTT and Axel ARG and so forth...
Does La Loca remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
126 Patagonico (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:29 pm
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To the islanders: it is sad to see the "leader" we are having. Here in Argentina the goverment and those who follow are looking for new enemies all the time...now they are focusing in attacking the opposite media that left specially Clarin and La Nacion newspapers, it is truely a fascist regime and many of us are afraid to speak. Just to give you and example, it is very very unusual to see some ( if any ) businessmann who daring to talk against CFK. Some months ago there was a case of one and after that it was publically denounced and chased by the AFIP ( the tax institutions. This will have to stop at some time, hopefully sooner than later!!!!!
127 gonzo (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:37 pm
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@ 126 we needto persuade the islanders and the brits to launch a planned attack to the Casa Rosada when La Loca and her cronies are gathered at a meeting and all the K supporters are jumping and banging drums in the Plaza de Mayo, waiting for the "choripan" they were promised to get if they turned up at the Plaza.
128 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:41 pm
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I have a better idea: go to Britain. Maybe you can be shot in subway station or grabbing a taxi by police. Or huniliated for your skin color in a tram... or get mugged during a massive riot.
The reason people like CFK exist is because of you. Think about it.
(this will be a very rare time that I discuss internal politics in a foreigner's forum)
129 ljordao (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:45 pm
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You are talking to a 21st century freedom-loving Brazilian, and so it is quite silly of you to expect me to feel offended by your reference to a military failure experienced by my country in the third decade of the 19th century, when it was a slavery-sanctioning expansionist empire. In fact, I do not know of any living Brazilians who dream of annexing Uruguay at the first opportunity. Therefore, my dear TTT, Brazilians and Argentinians differ not so much in war-prowess but in moral development. And that says a lot about your backwardness.
130 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:54 pm
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Yes I know I know all nations are morally superior to us. The Brits, the Americans, the Spaniards, Chileans, Uruguayans, Mexicans, French, Germans, Italians, even the Danes here tell us that.
Big deal. We don't care what the rest of the world thinks.
131 Captain Poppy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:07 am
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That's why argentina will die a lonely country. North Korea II
132 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:13 am
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Boy, your country is such a war zone I can't keep up with my mass shootings anymore:
133 ljordao (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:14 am
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No, Iran is worse than you, but even that might change under CFK.
134 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:26 am
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The problem is that the rest of the world wants a prostrate Argentina, a defeated Argentina, one that is stepped on by all our neighbors, by Europe, by North America, by China. That's the only time people like you will "like" Argentina.
While most of you want all nations to do well, you want us to fail. So when we stand up to the entire planet on trade, on politics, or in finance, it drives the world mad.
Since Argentina has been given two choices: be under the boot of every other nation and be poor, or be a rogue and poor... we choose to be rogue and poor.
Rogue means at least we will die on our feet, and not live on our knees.
135 The Chilean perspective (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:44 am
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I just watched the presentation and it seems that there no backing down from these damaging policies. She is gonna stick to her guns and predictably this is a president that will take this mighty nation on the road to ruin one more time.
I can't believe how regular and predictable these devastating colapses are in Argentina. Why can't they avoid them, is it short term memory loss? or just sheer stupidity on the part of the voting public?
I mean if you wanted to write a manual on how to destroy an economy that should be the Canada or Australia of Latin America you couldn't improve on this regime. Does anyone believe what they say in Argentina, I wonder.
136 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:55 am
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Australia and Canada were not sabotaged by most of the world in the 1940s and 1950s like Argentina was.
137 The Chilean perspective (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:03 am
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@ 136 Truth_Telling_Troll
What's that got to do with her admin?????????
I don't know too much about what happened 70 years ago but seriously dude, are you stoned or something, this is a serious issue give me a better reason than that one please. This regular cycle of economic collapse has to be explained better than that.
138 Brasileiro (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:07 am
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Important: do not is the president.....important is the INSTITUTIONS! Third mandate proof the weak institutions.
139 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:08 am
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Don't take my word for it, ask yankeeboy, mastershakejb, v vor victory, and others have admitted. After WWII Europe and the USA decided to punish Argentina for staying neutral by no longer buying our products, but buying them from each other or their former colonies (Australia, Canada, Africa). As such our exports collapsed, Peron retaliated by restricting imports, and ever since then Argentina went from being the most open trade nation in the world in the first half of the 20th century to being the world's most trade averse country bar the communist states remaining today.
140 Julie234 (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:12 am
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MaxAue describes the argentinian situation very well.
I posted an article the other day about CFK's administration. I will post it again because I think it is relevant to this discussion.
141 Captain Poppy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:07 am
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Right I am dodging bullets everyday I walk out the door. No one the USA denies we have a problem with shootings. But really TiT, find something better.
The world ostracizes argentina because she acts like a rogue nation and refuses to pay it bills.....period. Someone cannot move into an established community and make it's own rules. You love to harp on our national debt, but until we default.....shut up about it.
Argentina does not have to be poor. But when you cap oil at 40 a barrel and it costs 38 to pump it out of then ground, then blame Repsol for exporting oil and not investing in the country, what the hell do you expect? And they have not compensated Repsol and that is the number one reason no new companies with drill in partners with YPF.....period. Argentina cannot tell private enterprises what is an acceptable profit and expect them to say..."okay". That model of "internal domestic economics" is unattainable is a global system. Like the normal life cycle of a business, the global market is experiencing development pains as the "global economy" is relatively a new concept. There has always been international trade as far back as man learned to travel. But this global economy is still developing rules and processes. By argentina going rogue, the only thing they are doing with leaving themselves of of developing the rules. She has every right to stick her head in the sand and scream the world is flat, but she's cutting her nose off to spite her face, all because she won't pay her debts.
142 St.John (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:58 am
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@ 62 Truth_Telling_MickeyMouse
"Your english is soo good"
Almost all Danes speak and write English, the younger ones usually better than the average American form the US.
"I think this is the same Brit posing as a Dane and argie, talking to himself."
We know how you think.
What is the origin of the word "colony"?
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Max, hvis du læser et mindre antal af Truth_Telling_MickeyMouse indlæg, vil du indse, at han/hun/den/det for det meste blot spyr galde og er en fanatisk nationalist, som lider under den tvangstanke, at Argentina kan klare sig helt alene, uden samarbejde - eller bare kontakt - med resten af verden.
143 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:08 am
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An interesting book about Argentina's "neutrality during and after WWII
Ja han er rablende gal.
144 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:38 am
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(142) St.John & (143) MaxAue
Enig med jer to....... ;hvis I virkeligt er to.....
This site seems to have an overepresentation of Scandinavian posters....
Norwegian Mr.Skåre.
Swedish/ Danish/Uruguayan Mr. Guzz.
Bagsværdian Mr. St. John
Danish Mr. MaxAue
And, last and least Scandi/Patagonian Mr. Think……
All of them, reasonably informed…
None of them insulting Turnips….
Scandinavia Rules! ;-)
145 St.John (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 07:37 am
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@ 144 Think
if you know the poem 'Holger Danske', you'll know we each are who we claim to be - two persons - and why.
"Vil dansken i verden fægte,
men dølger åsyn og navn,
jeg ved, hans ånd er ej ægte,
jeg tager ham ej i favn. "
146 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:04 am
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It's not in our Scandinavian nature to be insulting - we don't have to :) It's more a genuine concern for people who are not well treated according to "universal" rules of a good life. We have had our shares of corrupt governments and wars (aprox a 1000 years) so we probably have this self-conception of having moved on to more valuable things in life....such as "the good life".
All this debating the current situation in Argentina, is not to patronize you in any way, but more to criticize constructively and being skeptic towards dodgy governance - for being skeptic is indeed in our Scandinavian nature....but I guess TTT already figured that out in Necochea :)))
147 LEPRecon (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:06 am
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@139 - Tobias
Utter nonsense. " After WWII Europe and the USA decided to punish Argentina for staying neutral by no longer buying our products, but buying them from each other or their former colonies (Australia, Canada, Africa)"
Which part of the second world war did you miss? Let's see, during WWII, food was a strategic commodity. Now most of the usual sources of food where either under Nazi occupation, too far away or needed in that particular theatre of war. For instance, it's more logical for Australia's produce to be used in the Pacific theatre of war, than to try and get it all they way round to the Atlantic theatre of war.
Argentina did very well by selling to both sides in the war. After the war, there was no longer a need for Argentine produce, because liberated countries were producing enough of their own produce to feed their own people and sell the excess.
So it was cheaper to buy from Europe, if you are based Europe, than to export the same items all the way from South America. Fighting the war cost lots of money, wars generally do, so no sane government is going to pay more than they have to for the same product are they?
Not punishment, just simple economics. Get over it. Argentina charged through the roof for its produce during the war, and then after the war the customers shopped around and went for cheaper options.
Oh, and didn't Argentina do well after the war too? Accepting all that stolen gold from nazi's fleeing justice. Gold stolen from the millions of people they had murdered.
Argentina has no moral high ground in this case. None at all.
Not only that Tobias, but Argentina wasn't the only neutral country in WWII. No one went around punishing countries for being neutral. It's all in that paranoid mind of yours. Argentina try's to play the victim card all the time. Everyone in the world is fed up of it. Of your hypocrisy, your faux tears, your faux outrage but most of all your blatant and outrageous lies.
148 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:20 am
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Well spoken :)
149 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:20 am
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(145) St.John
Vi dølger allesamen åsyn og navn...
Or is your real name St.John?
Or are we talking to the real Max Aue?
Or do you "Think" I'm really called "Think"?
(146) MaxAue
You'll have to excuse me, but I find your previous comments about the present Argentinean Government to be much more than ....: "Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance "
You seem to forget that Mrs. Kirchner's party got 54 % of the vote in the last election.
Followed By Mr. Binner's party with 17 %.
That gives us a total of 71% that voted for the economical and social policies our Country is embarked in.
Please; give us all the : "Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance" you want….
But try to keep your "middle-upper class biased", mono-dimensional, unrepentant and confrontational criticism under some kind of "Scandinavian" control.
150 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:49 am
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As Think well knows, most Dictators in History have been "legally" voted in to office. Democracy is failing or has failed in Argentina. In my opinion the population is too dumb and too corrupt to be worthy of that goal.
They need a Pinochet to fix the corruption problem once and for all and get on the same road as Chile. Until that happens they'll continue sliding down the economic and freedom scale..
BTW Think do you need me to send you some U$ so you can stay somewhere with hot water on your vacation to Uruguay? That place you posted looks like an out of the way dump. Just post your paypal account. I feel sorry for you.
151 LightThink (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:10 am
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Do you advertize the naive/dull/mediocre peoples/nations of Scandinavia here ?
152 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:18 am
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Juhuuuuu…. Turnip (15) just gave me the opportunity of recommending a nice, friendly place in Uruguay.
Just say that "El Think" send you..........
You will get the privilege of paying the full rack rate and I will get some free caipirinhas ;-)
153 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:27 am
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152. That place is a dump even in the marketing images it looks un-kept. I wouldn't go there if you paid me but if you think it is nice go for it! Have fun!
154 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:46 am
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Who do we believe?
Turnip Mr. Yankeeboy at (153)…….
Or the New York Times travel section?
Nice Argie owned place:
Posada Buscavida, Oceania del Polonio, Uruguay.
155 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:55 am
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Think, I have been to Cabo Polonia and all the way up the coast to the Brazil boarder, it is pretty but too backwards and remote for me.
No electricity at night (spotty at best during the day), barely any hot water and thanks but no thanks I don't want to vacation with unwashed hippies trying to re-live their glory days of the 70s, smoking pot and reeking of BO/Smoke and trying to cover it up with patchouli.
I think it is awful but if you like it good for you, I pretty much guessed that would be your kind of vacation, trying to pretend you like the austerity/simplicity of it all but it is really because you can't afford somewhere decent.
156 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:12 pm
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@ (149) Think
"You seem to forget that Mrs. Kirchner's party got 54 % of the vote in the last election." - No I haven't forgot that, and what I also haven't forgot was how she managed to get/buy all those votes. See, when you drive a huge truck filled with kitchen appliances into a Villa and telling people to vote for you, getting 54% is the least problem. And this is not the only example on how she got those votes, not to mention the fraud going on at the polling stations.
And they didn't vote for the economical and social policies Your Country is embarked in, they voted to get some money here and now, because that's how Argies think. If they can gain something right here and now (money) they'll vote for anything.
So I don't give much for those 54% I'm afraid.
157 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:58 pm
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This made my day!! :D
158 Julie234 (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:20 pm
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Nicely said, MaxAue.
159 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:40 pm
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Listen to yourself….!
Now YOU are talking….!
YOU are using the same "Faux Arguments" as the worst Argentinean oligarchs and fascists :
"Argentineans didn't vote for economical and social policies, they voted to get some money here and now, because that's how Argies think, YOU SAY……………."
""They" drove huge trucks filled with kitchen appliances into some villas telling people who to vote for, not to mention the fraud going on at the polling stations, YOU SAY……………..."
"You don't give much for those 54% (71%), YOU SAY………………"
Well boy…………., So much for YOUR "Constructive criticism and skepticism towards dodgy governance "
YOU DO SAY a lot of crap and you just demostrated your total disregard for the most basic principles of democracy.
I, on my side, have noting more to say to you…………..
160 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:45 pm
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It floors me how delusional and narcissistic Rg are, do they seriously think they can get someone to make huge capital investments when they clearly refuse honor contracts or respect the rule of law? For gosh sakes they just stole a whole oil company why oh why would another one come in behind it just so they can do the same thing to them?
There is seriously something mentally wrong with these creatures.
Argentina's state-controlled oil company has finished a U.S. and European tour with no new investors to show for it.
YPF President Miguel Galuccio had 40 meetings with 70 businesses and investors in Los Angeles, Boston, New York and London, inviting them to help develop the world's third-largest reserves of shale oil and natural gas.
The company called it a "non-deal road show" and said Friday that no new partnerships were expected yet.
Argentina is sitting on a fossil fuel fortune, but needs billions of dollars to produce it, and major oil companies have yet to commit. Analysts blame the government's heavy hand in the market and Grupo Repsol's threat to sue any partner for the $10 billion investment that Argentina seized when it took over the company this year.
161 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:04 pm
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I could not agree more with what you said. Well spoken.
But as i always say, don't bother with ''El TwinkleStar'' and all the others Cyber KKs, they are brainwashed beyond repair.
162 ChrisR (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:22 pm
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156 MaxAue
Oh oh! You have gone and upset 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief now!
You can always spot when the BIGGEST LIAR on MercoPress is upset: he starts to talk down to you by the use of 'Well boy' as if somehow his greater years mean something.
Greater years of age only demand respect if the old git has used them to expand his thinking and knowledge, not for lying.
163 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm
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Since they Ks have taken over, every measurable index of democracy and freedom has shown that they are on a clear path to Dictatorship/Banana Republic.
Argentina Flawed democracy
Freedom of Press
IAPA concluded a visit to Buenos Aires. According to the news agency EFE, in its preliminary report, IAPA denounced the "constant harassment and intimidation of independent and critical journalists" in an attempt to "create self-censorship or simply attack them to destroy their credibility."
164 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:19 pm
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Yes, I'm talking and I'm not talking crap unfortunately. I saw the pictures, the video and the filed report of the incident with the truck from the district attorney, and I also read the letter in which government officials threatened the lawyers involved not to go public with it or else...
In other words, I'm not the one disregarding the basic principles of democracy - on the contrary.
But here's a link so you can brush up on the principles of democracy for yourself - seems like you need that. Take note at numer 4 and 5 in particular ;)
165 KretinaKK (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:00 pm
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Dear Harvard Students, this link will take you to a video. It's important that you watch it because it will show you the type of forum Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is used to speaking in. A "political" rally which her government organized, where she just talks about herself, all she's done for the people and gets thousands of people to clap, cheer and wave banners in her support. She's not able to hold any other type of forum. And the people attending? Who are they? Poor people who live in shantytowns (villas) as we call them, who are paid between 20-50 pesos to attend, they get served a sausage sandwich (called Choripan) and given cheap wine (that comes in cardboard packs called Tetra). Then they show this on television for days and days with all the people cheering for her to make it looks like she has all of this political support! This are true 3rd world south american poltics.......a political forum at Harvard is way TOO much for Cristina!.......
166 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:00 pm
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You saw ONE video about ONE truck and read ONE letter of some government officials.............
That's enough for you to disregard the votes of more than 20 million Argentines?
And you "Don't Want to Mention the Fraud going on at the Polling Stations", you say?
What fraud?
At what polling stations?
When...? Where...? How...? Who...?
Any proof?
Any links?
Any articles about it, even from the most rabid opposition?
ANYTHING but your word?
167 gonzo (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:11 pm
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Still waiting for your answer to the following question:
Does La Loca remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
Lived in Britain for 6 happy and peaceful years...seriously thinking of settling back down... Please give me your honest thoughts to the question above.
168 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:27 pm
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Denial denial denial.....
169 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:32 pm
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Think, stop being so obtuse! The world knows how corrupt your filthy country is....
of course this was a couple years ago its probably $100 pesos now...
170 Think (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:45 pm
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No proof whatsoewer.... huhhhhhh?
What was it you wrote to TTT in one of your comments ?
Ohhhh Yes...:
"This might be a too personal question, MaxAue but, are you a Turnip?
If so, I'll bear with you, if not, seek medical attention because what you say is way out and you're just writing yourself up in a corner here."
171 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:59 pm
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Fallacious Arguments
Burden Of Proof:
the claim that whatever has not yet been proved false must be true (or vice versa). Essentially the arguer claims that he should win by default if his opponent can't make a strong enough case.
There may be three problems here. First, the arguer claims priority, but can he back up that claim ? Second, he is impatient with ambiguity, and wants a final answer right away. And third, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Think, How many of Kirchner's allies have been imprisoned for corruption since they started ruling the country?
Was the case against Nestor dropped and then the judge mysteriously has conspicuous amounts of free cash to spend on expensive jewelry? Or is this coincidence?
172 MaxAue (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:14 pm
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As it happened with TTT I gave up on Think (if it's not the same person. Those people are out of reach and apparently it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with such people.
However, that transparency statistics looked pretty well for Denmark I recon :)
173 Conqueror (
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174 axel arg (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:19 pm
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TOBERS: Nobody is neutral , that's an idiot argument that is expressed by hipocrite giornalists who don't want to recognize openly which candidat they support. I have never believed in neutrality, i only believe in ideologies or in ideas. Everybody here knows that i support c. f. k's gov., but at the same time, i recognize that her gov. has also controversies and contradictions, like the denounces of corruption cases, or some wrong decisions that were taken in the past. In the case of clarin, it parrots all the time that it practices independent giornalism, but we all know that it supports different candidats from the oponent politic parties, especially mauricio macri, anyway clarin has right to support him or whoever, because it's part of the democracy, however, it can't say that it's independent. On the other hand, most questions that were made to c. f. k. were based on distortions and lies published by clarn, like the phrase, be affraid of me, or the so called re -reelection plan, or the fact tha somebody can live with 6 pesos, all those news were distorted, and she explained them.
BRITISH: i think it's necesary a reform of the constitution, because we must assure that all the achievements that we could get, won't be recalled by any conservative gov., which might role argentina in the future. Anway, she was very clear respecting that issue, beside, she doesn't have enough majority in both chambers, in order to achieve it, and it will be very difficult for her to get it, because the openent politic parties won't vote a reform that allows her the posibility of being re- reelected. On the other hand, i think she has smart people in her cabinet who might become into great candidats, i like, mercedes marcó del pont (president of the central bank), florencio randazzo (minister of the interior), juan manuel abal medina (chief of cabinet), hector timerman, or axel kiccillof.
175 gonzo (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:10 pm
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As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
176 yankeeboy (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:23 pm
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172. Seeing their Prez talk 3 times this week it makes me think the whole country is like that! I know it not though I lived there and there are decent smart people we just don't get them here.
Character Outline:
Axel (just plain dumb, dumb dumb dumb)
Toby (TTT) ( arrogant narcissistic sophomoric)
Think ( Narcissistic, Paranoid, Stalker, absurdly arrogant, bitter)
All of them use one of these when they start losing an argument:
and then they think they won the argument
One of the only reason I come here is because it is easy to get them to melt down and it is fun to watch.
177 gonzo (
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:28 pm
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May be you can shed some light on my previous comment addressed to Axel Arg, which I quote below. Come on, give some credit to your user name:
As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe? just maybe?????
178 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:26 am
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So what does that have to do with me? Can you answer that before I answer your question? If she was a hypocrite, so what? You in Europe and the USA are the masters of hypcrisy, you never do as you say, so where's your shock.
179 MaxAue (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:22 am
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Before we even continue the debate on whether CFK want a re-election or not, let's be clear that of course she won't say she want that re-election, because if she can't get the majority she'll loose face. Now, on the other hand she doesn't deny it or oppose it if anyone else want to have her re-elected. That is a win win situation, as if she gets her re-election, she can claim that it's the wish of the people and not her, and if not, she can claim she never wanted it.
It's pure spin.
180 MurkyThink (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:03 am
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^^ 176
You are not astute.
Tipsters,Swindlers,Pharisaics,Collaborators,Multi Identities....
these are the realities of life .
You should learn to live with them.Let them write........
181 scarfo (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:29 am
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Well the trip is over and there all back home, and what a succesfull trip it has been, made herself look like the fool she is, and now everyone knows why she dosent give interviews, raised zero capital for ypf, pissed off Israel and a district in BA, but who cares the shopping was great and she got what she wanted!!!
job done.
182 KretinaKK (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 11:22 am
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This link will take you to a video. It's important that you watch it because it will show you the type of forum Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is used to speaking in. A "political" rally which her government organized, where she just talks about herself, all she's done for the people and gets thousands of people to clap, cheer and wave banners in her support. She's not able to hold any other type of forum. And the people attending? Who are they? Poor people who live in shantytowns (villas) as we call them, who are paid between 20-50 pesos to attend, they get served a sausage sandwich (called Choripan) and given cheap wine (that comes in cardboard packs called Tetra). Then they show this on television for days and days with all the people cheering for her to make it looks like she has all of this political support! This are true 3rd world south american poltics.......a political forum at Harvard is way TOO much for Cristina!.......
183 MaxAue (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 12:57 pm
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184 gonzo (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 01:15 pm
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It does matter to me because I am argentinian and (unfortunately) Kretina is leading the country at the momemt... I just thought you supported her...
185 Truth_Telling_Troll (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 02:36 pm
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Just because you support someone you can't say they are wrong or a hypocrite.
And further, I'd like any one here to ever show a quote where I literally said "go CFK go!" One in all the months I have been educating you! One!
I willl repeat, the irrational people are the rest of you. I merely defend my country from the constant verbal abuse, canards, scurrilous accusations, and attempts at opprobium, and you conclude I'm in the tank for whoever is in government. Pathetic.
So if you support your team in the World Cup, or at a golf tournmanent, that must mean you are 100% behind the current government in your country right? If you defend your country from false accusations here, you must be3 100% in the fish tank for your current leaders? That's is apparently, the unevolved EU, UK, US, thinking, demonstrated here by how they view argentines, who seem more evolved in understanding nuance, compartmentalizing, and context.
186 Captain Poppy (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 02:40 pm
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Tit and dumberger against the world.....education....defending "their" country from Canada and Europe.
Go tit go!!!
Go dumberger go!!
187 Clyde15 (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:58 pm
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"You never do as you say" We said we would recover the Falklands and we did !
Hypocrisy Argentine style.
To Falkland Islanders. We come to liberate you from your British oppressors. These are friendly guns we are pointing at you.
188 TipsyThink (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:36 pm
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Argentina is one of the hookers countries in the world could go to bed with every who give it money.
189 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:37 pm
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#174 Thanks for the reply, I agree that all those you have named could be excellent candidates, and also that constitutional reform is needed for more important reasons than re-election =)
#182 Looks like a good rally to me with lots of committed activists, I'd imagine most of them would be more clued up than the haters at Harvard =)
Gonzo: It was before the dollar clamp, to answer your question. I wish sweet Flor all the best and hope she goes into politics one day =)
190 Captain Poppy (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:02 pm
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SO BK you seem to agree there was a dollar clamp.....why did she say in the USA there was no dollar clamp?
191 Joe Bloggs (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:02 pm
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So who's right and who's wrong. You say there is a dollar clamp but CFK says there is not.
Chuckle chuckle.
192 British_Kirchnerist (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:12 pm
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I mean the restrictions, which are justified when the IMF etc are victimising her government and people, what she meant was "dollar clamp" is a word made up by the right wing press, and as such I suppose I should have taken her example and refused to use it. But then I also often refer to the Falklands =)
193 Troy Tempest (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:32 pm
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Good show you and the other trolls are putting on, BK.
However, let me outline how it looks to an outside observer, watching world news and reading these forums:
moving fast towards being the North Korea of LATAM
- economy in the toilet
- fostering relationships with other rogue nations that oppress their people and threaten their neighbours
- has created propaganda arm of government, La Campora, to disrupt legitimate debate, prevent criticism of government, spread mis-information inside and outside Argentina.
- disbands news agency CLARIN and intimidates journalists
- INDEC, government agency for statistics,has key personnel and professionals replaced with government appointees - stats are manipulated
- tight currency controls - limit travel and control assets and investments by business and the citizens.
- as economy falters, the low income and poor become more beholden to the government by their reliance on official handouts.
- La Campora appointed to key roles in government companies, like the state airline, gaining control or influence
- Argentina reneges on trade agreements, defies the IMF and international lenders, while playing to the voters of Argentina that the world is conspiring against them.
- children are indoctrinated with official false history taught in schools
- Government demands sovereignty over peaceful neighbours at the same time accusing Falklands defenders of 'militarising the South Atlantic'
- Government attempts to change the country's Constitution to support continued indefinite reign of current leader CFK.
- Finally, the Dear Leader CFK, is supported by a personality cult.
194 MaxAue (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:42 pm
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And oldie but goodie
195 scarfo (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:01 pm
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lol, hit the nail on the head :)
196 Captain Poppy (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:14 pm
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ok fine, we'll go with that. What about each argentine has an average 1300 to 1700 U$ dollars?
197 Ayayay (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:24 pm
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HERE'S everybody! :D
First I want to say, I think Argentina has a PRETTY head of state.
Ok..on to the good stuff..
Argentina made an executive order, on A WEEKEND? For supermarkets- profit clamp on 300 goods!
See IMF, you LIE about inflation. Hahahaha
Supermarkets have some of the most razor-thin profit margins in business ( at least in the U.S.) so.. kinda weird.
In Venezuela, the
their price clamp made harina de maize, frijole, leche, and aceite scarce.
And they were Saudi-rich when the oil commodities market skyrocketed!
One grandma says, "I have never seen such shortages in all my life."
If Americans knew where she lived we'd send snacks.
198 2012 (
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:51 pm
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I'm briton the one with the big name
from Cornwall the UK
what there is here
nothing much that worth
to talk
that is why
I say
Junta doka? Argie ...you said?
you're, it's, were where?
say lay not lie
I say bye not buy
said see not sea
you ain't, i said, your aren't,
is better not butter
the best post are mine
what I do in may spare time?
scratch my big english ARSE...
just a thought....
199 Troy Tempest (
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@198 Sussie 2012
Sounds like an almost unintelligible Rap artist on ET lashing out against his slum neighbourhood and the oppressors who want to jail him unreasonably for 'cappin' a gringo' or beating up his girlfriend or ...
Nice one, "Sussie B I G"
Put it to music, maybe some one will listen then...
200 Tobers (
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"There is great misunderstanding about the issue and much media muddling. I'm not blaming anybody; I also had a deposit in US dollars".
A deposit? Er it was more than that love. It was also a fundamental currency in her known business activities until recently (through media pressure)
Is it not remarkably strange that the President of a country extensively was using another countries currency for known business and investment activities and then says that the use of dollars in Argentina is a major problem. Im floundering in a state of disbelief at the hypocracy and idiocy of this.
201 Captain Poppy (
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troy sussie 2012 is a classic case that has you sitting and saying to yourself........one swimmer out of a million and it had to make it...!
202 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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"moving fast towards being the North Korea of LATAM"
Much better than to have "friends" like the EU, UK, USA, Mercosur, etc.
a nasty old european colonial power etc etc.- however out of date that view may be
203 Captain Poppy (
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Funny how asslips kirchner could not stay for the reception after the Harvard event.....because she sail "the pilot said we have to leave". Since when does a pilot dictate a head of a state time line?
She had a migraine and was pissed off they didn't ask fashion questions. Besides, she needed her thorazine.
204 Ayayay (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:40 am
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I hope you DON'T become North Korea.
They cut their food rations, in 2011, by 2/3 to two hundred grams a day.
A hundred thousand others passed in the '90s. This excerpt is the account of one who escaped. (To SK which is doing WELL). She MISSES her husband, remembers hold his hand as he was slipping away and telling him fantasies of food :
note: Cities are NOT the place to be during these things.
Farmers have more freedom in Argentina so, it's relatively safe.
And Dilma is HUSTLING (good thing). Brazil's good fortune will continue to benefit it's friends
205 British_Kirchnerist (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:25 am
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#203 The snotty nosed kids got hat they deserved, and in this case maybe also what they wanted, if they really hated her so much why want to have a reception with her?!
206 Captain Poppy (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:06 am
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The reception was not with the students. Faculty of Harvard, Deans and such and local politicians. Snotty? As I said , most were Argentines and the others were asking questions forwarded to them from Argentines. Explain how they were snotty?
You know why asslips will fail? She never shes her mistakes, never accepts criticism, and only sees her way is the right way.
207 Pirat-Hunter (
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#206 lol did USA, UK or France accept criticism when they jointly started to murder Muslim women and children in Libya for oil ?? Do the English here here have any moral higher ground to point fingers at anyone when the English continues to murder Muslim women and children for resources??? All english here should Do as a favor and fix your problem in Libya to have any say about CFK or Argentina. Other then that quit amusing Argentine's with your ignorance.
208 Clyde15 (
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First sentence - cojones ! - or if my Spanish is incorrect -ballocks.
Second sentence
Yes , we have the moral high ground.
We have no problem in Libya.
Ignorance ? Coming from a buffoon like you ?
209 axel arg (
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If you say that the appartment in new york was bought before the so called dollar clamp, then there is nothing to discuss about it. Beside, she recognized that she had a deposit in dollars, but changed it for pesos. Respecting the phrase that she said about la matanza, i think it was despisable, but the comparison that you do is redicoulus.
210 Pirat-Hunter (
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#208 lol if what you say is true why is it okay for english people to murder Foreign Muslim women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan, libya and sirya and it is not okay to have laws and democracy in Argentina, and how can a murder of women and children have more moral grounds then a democratic government like CFK. If my comments hurt you enough to insult me there must be a lot of truth in my words. Notice I don't need to insult you, all I need to do is tell you the inconvenient facts making the english murder and rappe innocent Muslims women and children, that's all. Even a buffoon has a higher moral grounds then a murderer and child molesters. Maybe in UK, USA or France killing innocent Muslim women and children is a sport but in Argentina we have laws against murder.
211 Captain Poppy (
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PH.....no one is TARGETING muslim women and children you fuking moron. TWin Towers never went down......there is no war in southwest asia. When you get a military, you might leaarn the difference bwteen war and murder. Your bigotry, hatred of those not argentine, ignorance in general and blanatant stupidity is limited.
No one is targeting Muslims, the enemy just happens to be Muslims.
212 British_Kirchnerist (
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#209 "Respecting the phrase that she said about la matanza, i think it was despisable"
Why? It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students, not on matanza itself, and has been ridiculously distorted by her enemies, no?
213 Pirat-Hunter (
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#211 Yes you are targeting muslim because Afghanistan and Iraq as well as Libya where better of with the Taliban and Saddam and now it's all run by terrorists. And that is equals to murder, please save your ignorance for someone at your level. The twin tower came down thanks to a CIA trained terrorist, Muslim women and children had nothing to do with it retard.
214 MaxAue (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:35 pm
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Just to set the record straight: YOU DON'T HAVE A 100% TRANSPARENT DEMOCRACY IN ARGENTINA!!! You have a corrupt government, and a corrupt government is NOT democracy!!!!!
215 Simon68 (
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212 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:11 pm
"It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students,"
Good Heavens, BK, how do you know that the Harvard students are snotty and rich?????
Of the Argentine and Venezuelan students, several of them are there on merit, through scholarships, not through their parent's money. This includes at least one who was viciously attacked by our disgusting president!!!!!
216 Captain Poppy (
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Just for you BK quite a few go to Harvard absolutely free.
All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years. We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs. Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000.
We do not consider home equity or retirement accounts as resources in our determination of a family contribution, and aid packages do not include any loans. A typical student may receive over $150,000 in Harvard scholarship assistance over four years and the majority of students receiving scholarship are able to graduate debt-free. Our program continues to be generous for students across the economic spectrum, with more than two thirds of those receiving scholarship assistance coming from families with incomes greater than $60,000.
I will let you find the percents, but you really do not want to know the truth. You prefer to label the snots and rich off the cuff without evidence.
217 Tobers (
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"It was clearly an attack on the snotty rich Harvard students''
CFK = snotty with ANYONE who disagrees with her
CFK = richer most likely than all the Argentine Harvard students combined
BK = tonto
I understand its difficult whislt being a young student probably with limited public speaking experience to put pressing questions to the president of your country. But...its a shame more of the questions werent more direct and requiring a definitive answer.
Q.How does a president and her cabinet members justify having used dollars extensively in business activities (citing references) in a country which has historically had a major problem with the US dollar affecting the Peso's value. And only recently having stopped doing so depite in CFKs case being president/married to the president over the last decade?
Q.When was the last time you did an interview with non government associated Argentine media? Why so long/never?
Having said that she didnt come out of the session well.
218 Pirat-Hunter (
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#214 CFK was elected and that is irrefutable, whatever lie you are trying to Cook up wont work. There is Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya with democracies in worst shape then Argentina, USA, UK and French hypocrites need to fix many things before saying anything about Argentina, none of you have any moral higher ground to tell us what is right or wrong, thanks but, NO THANKS! Mr ignorant.
#215 your ignorance tells me you are not Argentin. who are you kidding ? no poor Argentine can afford to go to university in USA, I don't even think poor US citizens can afford to go to Harvard. I could be wrong but we both know I am not.
#216 bs and more bs all the financial help are loans and credit nothing is free and we all know without collateral there is no loan. I think people here should know that 99.9% of Argentine's simply love CFK. BAMOS CFK 2015! Sorry dude but you are wrong as usual. But I understand your comments are from an outsider.
219 Captain Poppy (
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The truth makeas you an angry little brown saduku doesn't it. ANother banana for you. Asslips loved sending their little bitch to schoool here in the USA. Their bastard would have gone, if he wasn't too stupid and flucked the entrance exams.....viv fatsimo the fat fuck kirchner......may he be immortalized in kindergarten.
I really think you're the angriest little la campora troll (as the Capt pats him on hs greasy little head and gives him another banana)
220 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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When was the last time the UK arrested its leaders for violating international law?
Actually, when was the first time??
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quote of the year brought to you by Idlehead:
"8 Truth_Telling_Troll - you seem to misunderstand how the UN works. There was no UN resolution passed that demanded the invasion of Iraq should be stopped."
221 Troy Tempest (
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@219 Poppy
You are WRONG, Captain Poppy!!
"Privates - Tugger " is ALEX VARGAS and he lives in Canada.
He is NOT la Campora at all.
They are professionals, paid by CFK.
That kid, Alex, is an amateur.
You are right, though, he is very very angry, but just an impotent "hater".
He really has no connection with Argentina.
His parents moved the family out of there for a better life.
Despite growing up in a society with great public education and government subsidised university, he is a failure.
Now he blames everyone else, but him.
His parents must be so proud.
Best ignored.
222 Clyde15 (
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Come on ! We have got to have some light relief.
Murder is the premeditated killing of a person or persons.
In war situations civilians can be killed accidently. At worst this could be called manslaughter.
An example of murder was when the Argentinian government invited nuns to fly in Army Airlines. Free helicopter trips for all ! Come one, come all.
Very small print - return tickets not available.. Parachutes not an optional extra.
223 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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Also "liberators" shooting innocents in their homes somewhere near the Euphrates.
224 Captain Poppy (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:13 pm
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Hey guys....don't bother with tit, ph, alex and sussie/2012 and all it's other names..........they are illegitmate and not worth a breath. There are real South Americans in this site, while they may disargree, they speak intelligently. This/these orangatans need to go back in there tress, but they are not south americans, just angry little children. To respond to them is to enliven them.
225 Pirat-Hunter (
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#219 coming from a homo your comments sound like music. But since you are an outsider you will never learn that CFK was elected by us and will be elected again in time.
#221 are homosexuals into the habit of stalking straight men?? Or is your assumption based on a oppressed fantasy? Talk to #219 I think you too might belong to the same culture club with #222.
#223 Not just Iraq, they also murdered muslim women and Children in Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. This is not even a year ago this is all over the newspaper every day this week, This turds are all comedians, the joke is on them when their new friends just executed their ambassador in Libya last week. And the oil infrastructure will soon go up in flames. Posting is going to be fun this year.
226 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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Awful stuff from those lawless nations.
227 Captain Poppy (
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Looks like another RG default, do RG's lack that much I-N-T-E-G-R-I-T-Y ??
Can they pay anything back they borrow? They need to rename the country.....el Pais Deadbeats
228 Truth_Telling_Troll (
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Comparing debts with innocent children's lives?
Now that is lack of I.
229 Captain Poppy (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 08:28 pm
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Slow, slower and slowest:
Wait until October shows it's ugly latin face.
BUENOS AIRES, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Argentina's tax revenue rose by a smaller-than-expected 20.2 percent in September from a year earlier, to 57.38 billion pesos ($12.21 billion), the government said on Monday.
Analysts had forecast the tax take at 60.50 billion pesos, according to the median in a Reuters poll in which estimates ranged from 57.71 billion pesos to 61.63 billion pesos.
Latin America's No. 3 economy is slowing sharply after growing 8.9 percent in 2011. The pace of tax revenue growth cooled somewhat earlier this year but rebounded in July and August, jumping 28.2 percent and 29.2 percent.
Much of the growth can be explained by high inflation, which private economists estimate at around 25 percent a year. The government's widely discredited inflation data puts consumer price rises at 10 percent a year .
In September, proceeds from the Value-Added Tax (VAT) rose 17.2 percent from a year earlier to reap 16.79 billion pesos for state coffers, government data showed.
At the same time, corporate and personal income tax receipts jumped 25.0 percent to 10.83 billion pesos while social security contributions surged 27.3 percent to 14.47 billion pesos.
Levies on exports fell 7.0 percent year-on-year last month due mainly to a decline in soybean and soyoil shipments after a drought slashed soy output last season.
Argentina's tax revenue totaled 47.73 billion pesos in September 2011 .
($1=4.70 Argentine pesos)
(Reporting by Hilary Burke, additional reporting by Walter Bianchi; Editing by M.D. Golan) Keywords: ARGENTINA ECONOMY/TAX
230 British_Kirchnerist (
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#215 "This includes at least one who was viciously attacked by our disgusting president!!!!!"
Define "viciously attacked", I saw nothing of the kind...
231 Captain Poppy (
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:21 pm
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Why shpuld #215 respond or anwser anything from you BK, you have never answered my questions.
232 ProRG_American (
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I watched the Presidents presentation and Question and Answer session. I think her performance was Superb!!! She did quite well up against those spoiled little socialites. I especially liked the way she put the young colombian in his place. Watch the interview closely, it seems as if he was quite unconfortable sitting in his chair after the ass wooping that he got from the President.
233 2012 (
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@224 Conqueror/Captain Poppy=Rubbish bloody english WIMP
Who are YOU?
......nothing more that a rubbish bloody english WIMP
afraid to release your name, location and phone number...aja! I see...
.......//////YOU...are afraid of the big bad wolf.....
rubbish bloody english wimp men ....known as rubbish bloody people,,,,all around the world! /////////////////////////////////////
234 Captain Poppy (
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And no one can question her hunger for power:
235 axel arg (
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For being honest, i didn't like in absolut the way she expressed that phrase, anyway i respect if you or others people don't think the same.
236 Captain Poppy (
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BK why do you suppose she sent her little offsrping to school in NYC and not in agrentina?
237 yosoy (
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In the video of the speech, I was the most shocked at the response to the question about her future plans.... her response..." En realidad la vida se vive cada día y gobierno como si fuera el último"
WTF!!!??! why has this not received more attention? this may be the most stupid thing she has ever said. (And that is saying something). how ridiculous is it to have a president who admits she has no strategy? no long term (or even medium term) objective? Though that is strikingly obvious from looking at her car crash policies, I would have thought she would be a little more clandestine about admitting her complete lack of plan.
(107m 30s onwards)
238 Ayayay (
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BK, how are these students, especially the Argentines, rich and Cristina Fernandez and her daughter are what?
Students come from all over the world based on brightness and community service. incomes under $100K study free, and most get financial aid.
All young people will choose freedom over a free netbook, if aware of the choices. (:
239 ProRG_American (
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Chile is not behaving. Spank! Spank!
240 preciosura (
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@236 Conqueror/Captain Poppy
Don't you know that anyone in this world have a choice to do anything they want....education, marriage, residence places...is a choice.....you need to grow up!
241 MaxAue (
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Join in everybody!
242 Captain Poppy (
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You are correct and she happened to choose the best, not an RG school.
243 2012 (
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244 Troy Tempest (
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." "In reality life is lived every day and Government as if it were the last" CFK
Message understood
245 Captain Poppy (
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asslips kirchner before her makeup
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