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Posted by Royce Young
In what world has 81 ever been better than 100? Maybe when you're talking about temperature, but not much after that.
But here's a time that 81 was greater than 100: Kobe Bryant's epic scoring night matched against Wilt Chamberlain's all-time point barrage.
Never would I imply that what Chamberlain did 50 years ago wasn't impressive. Scoring 100 points in a game isn't just impressive. It's drinking-a-gallon-of-milk impressive. It's something that's darn near impossible to do and takes a special, near superhuman individual to pull it off.
Still, Kobe's 81 was better.
Why? You could almost make a strong case that Chamberlain's hundred should include an asterisk. First, and this is unfair to Chamberlain, but none of us saw it happen. We don't know what it looked like, what it felt like, how that game went. There's no footage of it at all, only a little audio of him scoring the hundredth point.
Actually, it might be a good thing we never saw it. Because from accounts of how it went down, the Warriors spent almost the entire fourth quarter fouling to get the ball back and force-feeding Chamberlain the ball. New York coach Eddie Donovan said, "The game was a farce. They would foul us and we would foul them." Chamberlain's shot attempts by quarter: 14, 12, 16, 21. You think in a blowout in today's game that a team would keeping feeding their star like that?
Plus, the pace of the game in 1962 was far faster than was Kobe was playing with in 2006. Chamberlain had more possessions in the up-and-down game. There were 316 combined points in that game. It would take today's Lakers almost a month to score that many. (I kid, I kid.)
Then you have to consider that Chamberlain's points came easier. He was a post player that could be fed the ball and overwhelm his opponents. Kobe is a perimeter player that had to handle it and score by creating his own either off the dribble or with a jumper. Chamberlain overpowered smaller teams and smaller players. At times, it was like a college guy playing against middle school kids. Truly a man among boys. Chamberlain could just have his way.
It's no coincidence that when you browse the top point totals in a game, Wilt's name litters the list. It was a long time coming that he'd finally top the century mark. He scored at will because there was only one other player in the game -- Bill Russell -- that could really stop him. The guy that played most of the night against him -- Darrall Imhoff -- stood no chance. Not to discredit the talent pool in the 60s, but Chamberlain wasn't exactly facing elite big men every night.
Nobody will ever match what Chamberlain did though. Like DiMaggio's hit streak or Favre's consecutive games streak, it's one of those unbreakable records. The reason mainly is because nobody would have the gall to do what the Warriors did to get him there. Playing out the game in a blowout, blatantly running up the score, fouling to get the ball back -- can you imagine what would happen if someone did that today?
Say LeBron was going off and had 75 points after three quarters. The Heat are up 30. Erik Spoelstra leaves LeBron out there to pound the opponent, all while Dwyane Wade and Shane Battier take fouls so LeBron gets more shots. There would be week long panels devoted to ripping the team that did it. I think the Hall of Fame might have to make room for a new exhibit honoring the most explosive media backlash in professional sport history.
Kobe's 81 had everything going for it. It was a close game and Bryant just completely took over. The Lakers were down 71-53 and Kobe brought them back. He wasn't ever intentionally fouled, and he team didn't do much of anything other than give him the ball and get out of the wya. He played until the end, checking out with just a few seconds remaining. And despite playing a darn near perfect game with all the factors lining up, Kobe was still 19 points short. Consider this: After Kobe, the next highest total is 78 by Chamberlain, then 73 by David Thompson and Chamberlain. Even the greatest ever, Michael Jordan, topped out at 69. There's just no chance of anyone ever sniffing 100 points in a game again.
Still, Kobe's 81 was better.
The Mamba took 17 fewer shots, 12 fewer free throws, didn't have his team fouling to get him the ball, had fewer possessions and still only came up 19 short of Wilt. He scored 55 points after halftime. That's only 14 short of Jordan's career-high. Forget what math and maybe common sense tells you. Eight-one is greater than 100.
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Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Posted on: March 2, 2012 9:10 am
Edited on: March 2, 2012 11:54 am
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Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 2, 2012 4:00 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Joe Ruklick confirmed look-back reports that state the Knicks began fouling other players before Chamberlain could get the ball, but said it was not accurate that the Warriors began fouling Knicks in order to get the ball back more quickly. I can guarantee you that nobody was fouling others to keep Kobe from scoring. Get your facts straight before you make these wild claims. Joe Ruklick was actually playing in the game so he knows how it went down. And for the record is it a blowout if the final is 169-147? 22 points was the final spread but at this high of scoring pace in a game, it wouldn't be a safe lead until very late in the game.
Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:58 pm
He wasn't ever intentionally fouled, and he team didn't do much of anything other than give him the ball and get out of the wya.
Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:56 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
BTW he DID average a triple double for his career. If you read what I said, I pointed out that IF blocked shots were counted as a statistic the way they are today, Wilt would have averaged close to 15 per game, undeniable!I've never heard that Wilt would've averaged 15 blocks a game! That would be amazing if true. I watched many, many Chamberlain games and don't remember that many blocks a game, but who knows, maybe its true.
I think the fact that he NEVER fouled out of a game shows that he had way more than just physical strength, but actually had superior skill.I think that is a pretty amazing fact, but I didn't look at that as always a positive thing. Wilt was extremely agile, especially for a 7 footer. But if you are pushing yourself on defense on every single play, you are going to commit fouls. The fact that Wilt never fouled out of a game tells me he took plays off and didn't always push himself on every play. And I remember watching games where Wilt played to preserve his record. Toward the end of games he wouldn't take chances on defense that he should've taken, even getting comments out of Chick Hearn for his tentative play.
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Since: May 16, 2007
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:45 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Where I come from scoring 100 is better than 81 every time.
How many 3's did Kobe make?
Even if Wilt was a 3 point shooter (and he wasn't) the "3" wasn't around then.
I love how new media pundits like to assert, this was better or that was better, like they know what the hell they are talking about.
If you want an interesting project - go back and figure out how many more points Pete Maravich would have added to his (still) record NCAA scoring title if the "3" would have been around then. I saw Maravich play a lot - many many of his shots were taken far oputside today's "3" line.
Are there any adults working at CBS Sportsline?
Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:39 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Wilt had a higher percentage made..and that is what matters.Whoosh, actually Wilt made 36 of 63 shots or 57% and Kobe made 28 of 46 shots or 61%. Since that is what matters....was Kobe's game better? Especially since Kobe's shots were much, much tougher than Wilts dunks and finger rolls?
Since: May 29, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:33 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
GREAT response #1 Cowboys (still love that Moniker-- I'm drinkin a beer to you tonight at the Sixers-Warriors game when I'm there!!!)
You make some very vaild points. Gald to hear you're an old timer like me. However--if you think todays BIGS are better than the BIGS of old--I gotta disagree with you. Just because you are 7 feet doesnt mean you can play basketball. Yes the league is littered with 7 footers now-- but again most of them are STIFFS! Being big doesnt mean you are talented. Here is a list of some of the players Wilt matched up against in his career (although not all of them are exactly 7 feet-- I would think you would find it hard to argue that todays bigs are better than this list):
W. Reed
I could go on, but I think I made my point. I just cant stand people that say "Wilt didnt play against anyone thats why he was good". Couldnt be a more innaccurate statement.
BTW he DID average a triple double for his career. If you read what I said, I pointed out that IF blocked shots were counted as a statistic the way they are today, Wilt would have averaged close to 15 per game, undeniable! That would give him career averages of 30 ppg, 23 rpg and 14 bpg.
I think the fact that he NEVER fouled out of a game shows that he had way more than just physical strength, but actually had superior skill. Just sayin, but thanks for your post, I really liked it!
Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:20 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Kobe's 81 and it's not even close. Wilt played with kids. Kobe played with adults. End of arguement
Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:12 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Which is better? 100 points is better.
Which is more impressive? Kobe's 81. He shot a higher percentage from the field and the free throw line, all while brining his team from down 20 to up 20. And we can see the difficulty of his shot selection where unfortunatly we can't see Wilts and will always be left to wonder how many of his shots were from outside of six feet.
Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:11 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
Both performances were incredible; however, 100 beats 81 any way you slice it.
If you want credibility, you don't say 81 is better than 100 cause you saw 81 happen or cause of fewer shots or fewer FTs...all that is obvious; as you have fewer points.
Wilt had a higher percentage made..and that is what matters. If it took Wilt 100 shots and Kobe 45; then you'd have a point. But you don't.
You can argue Kobe took tougher shots...but you can also argue that Kobe has a 3pt shot that wasn't instituted in Wilt's day. So why would Wilt take a tougher shot? And Kobe could take less shots and accomplish more points; isn't that an advantage too? Also, don't you think Wilt dealt with more contact under the rim than Kobe did shooter jumpers outside all day against the Raptors who didn't play much for D? It is easier taking an uncontested jump shot than it is a layup with big guys banging you around.
Most folks were elated about Kobe's effort cause the number of shots it takes to get 81 and the clear energy. Most players that are great scorers get fatigued and that is why it is hard to break 70. Guys like Kobe on that one night...and Wilt on that famous night; could withstand it. That is what is impressive; putting up those number of shots with a great percentage. That indicates the clear energy these guys have and endurance.
This article just represented bias toward a fan of Kobe; instead of a Laker fan. Didn't even have one decent argument in Kobe's favor.
Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:03 pm
Better scoring night: Kobe's 81 or Wilt's 100?
He didnt develop any basketball skills? REALLY?? And you claim this because why? He only averaged 23 rebounds per game for his career? He shot the ball at almost a 60% clip? He led the league in assists one year? Or was it that he averaged a triple double FOR HIS CAREER??? (Yes if they kept Blocked Shots as a category, Wilt would have averaged about 15 per game!!!) Your right-- no skills there at all.No he didn't have basketball skills...not like todays players. He was the tallest player in the NBA for most of his career. During the early 1960's there were 8 teams and only 3 players 7' tall, including Wilt. He played against a 7' center on 2 other teams, neither player of note...Mel Counts and Reggie Harding aren't exactly HOF material. The teams that didn't have 7 footers had centers that were 6'7 - 6'11''. Today, there are 37 - 7 footers in the NBA, and that doesn't include Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan. Almost every team has at least 1 - 7 footer, sometimes 2 or more. In the 60's Chamberlain was taller and stronger than all of his opponents and didn't need skills to dominate. He had size and strength, but not much skill. Of course he could grab 23 rpg and shoot 60%. So could a High School kid playing against 6th graders. Chamberlain was head and shoulders above everyone else on the court and just parked under the basket. BTW, he DIDN'T average a triple double FOR HIS WHOLE CAREER. In his best year (when he lead the league in assists) he averaged 8 apg. That wouldn't come close to leading the league in assists now. For his career he averaged 4 apg. It doesn't take skills to dominate when you are physically superior.
All you young guns crack me up. You can have your LeBrons and Kobes (which is not just a joke but totally disrespectful to guys like Wilt, Russell, Oscar, Magic and Michael) as "the best player ever", the real best player ever (and it really shouldnt be an arguement...except there is no footage to see how truly great he was) is Wilt!I went to my first game in the 1960's and saw Wilt play against Walt Bellamy, so I'm no young gun. Walt was one of the HOF centers you reference, and he wasn't a 7 footer either. Wilt was dominant, but only because he was physically dominant. LeBron, Kobe and Michael aren't physically dominant, but have to rely on basketball skills to dominate.


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Aza Oberman
As of November 27, 2010 I am using CENTOS 5.5 (Linux 2.6.18-194.11.3.el5 kernel), Apache 2.2.3, mySQL 5.0.77, current mod_auth_mysql, current CPAN Crypt::OpenSSL::AES and current Crypt::SaltedHash.
In my configuration mod_auth_mysql works just fine with plain text passwords drawn from the mySQL database when AuthMySQLPwEncryption is set to "none".
However any attempt to use Crypt::OpenSSL::AES encrypted passwords or Crypt::SaltedHash SHA-1 results in a mod_auth_mysql challenge dialog that never admits the correct ID & password.
If I access the SQL file, recover the encrypted password, and use Crypt::OpenSSL::AES to decrypt, I succeed in recovering the correct unadulterated password.
If I access the SQL file, recover the encrypted password, and verify the plain text password using Crypt::SaltedHash, only the correct plain text password verifies.
My httpd.conf for AES encrypted password contains the following:
<Directory /home/capmkt/https/providersonly>
AuthType Basic
AuthName "Providers, please log in:"
AuthMySQLHost localhost
AuthMySQLUser accessCheck
AuthMySQLPassword check
AuthMySQLPwEncryption aes
AuthMySQLSaltField <Hp7YZtVjSAS47kwq>
AuthMySQLDB shows_enrollees
AuthMysqlUserTable accounts
AuthMySQLNameField account
AuthMySQLPasswordField user_passwd
AuthMySQLEnable on
require valid-user
I didn't really know what to do with the AES key so I tried is as the required AuthMySQLSaltField - although it clearly isn't a salt value. Oddly enough I could not find a CPAN Crypt method that would take a salted AES value. The mod_auth_mysql is a tad vague about what should go in the required AuthMySQLSaltField for AES encrypted password.
So the next step was to try the venerable SHA-1. To do so I used CPAN's Crypt::SaltedHash to generate the encrypted password in the mySQL file . In httpd.conf parameters above I deleted AuthMySQLSaltField and changed to "AuthMySQLPwEncryption sha1". The encrypted password could be read and properly validated from the mySQL database using Crypt::SaltedHash's "validate()" method; however, mod_auth_mysql rejected the same password.
I found no errors in the Apache or Perl logs.
Has anyone actually used encryption with mod_auth_mysql? Every example I've seen thus far skirts the encryption issue.
I'd really appreciate knowing what I could use to generate an AES encryption acceptable to mod_auth_mysql and what to do with AuthMySQLSaltField when using AES encryption - which appears to use a key rather than salt. Alternately I'd like to know what Perl method will generate an acceptable salted SHA-1 encrypted password.
Aza D. Oberman
Washington, DC USA
Aza Oberman
With no response here we worked on.
We redid the http.conf settings to dial in an 8 byte salt value. We ran AES_ENCRYPT() and AES_DECRYPT() from the command line and hex looks fine.
Yet any attempt to authenticate via mod_auth_mysql is refused and the now famous "mysql invalid encryption method aes" is generated when an authorization is attempted.
The whole thing works fine provided no encryption is used ("AuthMySQLPwEncryption none").
Any suggestions?
Imran Chaudhry
Hi Aza,
I've only used "Auth_MySQL_Encryption_Types Apache" but it works great.
The only comments I can add are that it seems odd that you're using directives with no underscores. I would double-check those. On Debian Lenny, /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-auth-mysql/DIRECTIVES.gz lists their syntax as one of:
Auth_MySQL_* and AuthMySQL_*
I found odd behaviour when auth_basic was also enabled at the same time. Make sure all other auth_ mods are disabled when you test your setup.
Hope that helps,
Aza Oberman
Thanks for the suggestion, Imran. Wrong directives certainly would muck up the works and leave me up to my skirts in unintended defaults.
I'm running version 3.0.0 of mod_auth_mysql and not familiar with it's quirks, so your observation sent me scrambling back to the documentation. On this side of the pond http://modauthmysql.sourceforge.net/CONFIGURE presents the "AuthMySQLPwEncryption" encryption directive without under scores ( "_") and makes no mention of "Auth_MySQL_Encryption_Types"!
I also notice that in "Latest News" at http://modauthmysql.sourceforge.net/ the entry for version 2.6.0 touts using "AuthMySQLPwEncryption" in lieu of the previous generation's "AuthMySQLCryptedPasswords," "AuthMySQLScrambledPasswords" and "AuthMySQLMD5Passwords "
Turning to the possibility that I have conflicting settings (which would also muck things up) I looked for mention of Auth_MySQL_Encryption_Types in the on-line documentation but found no mention. The CONFIGURE doc installed on the server (CENTOS/Apache) was also mum on the subject.
Is it possible you are running a different version of mod_auth_mysql? Would you mind sharing your httpd.conf mod_auth_mysql configuration? I've winnowed mine down to:
<Directory /home/capket/public_html/excellersonly>
AuthName "Capket Exceller Area"
AuthType Basic
AuthMySQLHost localhost
AuthMySQLUser shows_exell
AuthMySQLPassword 2exe11
AuthMySQLDB shows_excellers
AuthMySQLUserTable accounts
AuthMySQLNameField account
AuthMySQLPasswordField user_passwd
AuthMySQLGroupField user_group
AuthMySQLPwEncryption aes
AuthMYSQLEnable on
require valid-user
I was using CPAN's Crypt::OpenSSL::AES to encrypt the password and then stuffing the result in a TINYBLOB in MySQL. I'm able to recover and decode the password with no problems but mod_auth_mysql simply rejects any attempt to sign in. I'm now trying the MySQL ENCRYPT_AES function to do the encryption since one AES encription strategy can clearly differ from another in matters of salting and padding.
Again, thanks for your thoughtful suggestions Imran!
Your fellow pilgrim,
Aza Oberman
There is clearly something amiss with mod_auth_mysql or it's "documentation" when AES encryption is used.
I set up the database and got mod_auth_mysql working fine with an unencrypted password.
I then used SSH to go to the remote server and open the MySQL monitor and overwrite the plain text password with an AES encrypted one, thusly:
# mysql -h localhost -u root -pPaSSwOrD
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 12
Server version: 5.0.77 Source distribution
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.
mysql> use "myDataBase";
Reading table information for completion of table and column names
You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
mysql> UPDATE myTable SET user_passwd=AES_ENCRYPT('caj01','jl7RFtVoSAq47kwq') WHERE account='01cajon';
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)
Rows matched: 1 Changed: 1 Warnings: 0
I now went to httpd.conf and changed "AuthMySQLPwEncryption none" to "AuthMySQLPwEncryption aes" and rebooted the entire server.
Next came a quick dump of the database and sure enough the plain text password "caj01" had been changed to "z襨ztR@[?գᩧ?/td>
" (not reproducible here in plain text but clearly binary).
Then I fired up my browser (IE) and went to the protected directory on the Web site. The mod_auth_mysgl challenge came up as expected, but try though I might the password was rejected.
So clearly mod_auth_mysql cannot manage AES encryption from a CPAN module or from MySql's own AES_ENCRYPT() - or there is some as yet unclearly documented way to do this.
What's interesting is that thus far *no one* has come forward on this forum, or other forums where I've shared my dilemma, to say they'd succeeded in using mod_auth_mysql with AES encryption. If you've been fortunate enough to have made AES encryption work with mod_auth_mysql would you be so kind as to share two things:
1) Your httpd.conf settings; and,
2) How you encrypted the password.
Imran Chaudhry
My version:
$ aptitude show libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
Package: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 4.3.9-11
Priority: optional
Section: net
Maintainer: Joey Schulze <email@example.com>
Uncompressed Size: 119k
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), apache2.2-common (>= 2.2.3-3)
Description: Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication
A module for the Apache 2 web server which enables HTTP authentication against information stored in a MySQL database.
(although I don't know if this maps to the actual Apache mod version)
A snippet of my config from my non-production server:
<Directory "/var/www/foo">
AuthName "My Login"
AuthType Basic
Auth_MySQL on
Auth_MySQL_Host localhost
Auth_MySQL_User www-data
Auth_MySQL_Password bar
Auth_MySQL_DB mydb
Auth_MySQL_Password_Table user
Auth_MySQL_Username_Field name
Auth_MySQL_Password_Field password
Auth_MySQL_Encryption_Types Apache
require valid-user
Did you check if any other auth_ mods are enabled at the same time like I suggested?
For some reason Apache has problems handing over authority to this
module if this is requested an another auth module is also loaded.
If you have another authentication module loaded, you'll have to
disable it the hard way.
AuthBasicAuthoritative Off
AuthUserFile /dev/null
The following option is not sufficient
Auth_MySQL_Authoritative On
If you experience similar problems with group membership, try
repeating the same procedure with AuthGroupFile.
It may be worth contacting the CentOS package maintainer for help or simply doing a Google and see if anything has got this combo of mod and AES working.
Good luck!
Aza Oberman
Thanks IMRANC. I'm on another tack that looks promising at the moment.
My goal was to satisfy an itch: "How can mod_auth_mysql" check the unencrypted ID against the encrypted ID in the database *without* knowing the AES key?" I don't think AES uses a public/private key strategy.
I dug into the source and at the moment I suspect that at least one of the directives is dual purpose and quite misleading. Testing that hypothesis will have to wait because it also looks like the 3.0.0 build for at least CENTOS no longer automatically applies the "AES" compiler time option as suggested in the news section and an earlier response to a help inquiry.
My goal at the moment is to get mod_auth_mysql recompiled with the suitable options. That entails figuring out what options are part of the default CENTOS build - something that's not immediately obvious at the moment.
More as it happens,
I also suspec that at least one of the directives is a
Aza Oberman
YUPAPA suggested recompiling with the AES option. That's precisely what I've been trying to do - to no avail so far.
The mod_auth_mysql tar consists of configuration instructions, build instructions, a list of changes and one "C" source file. No "make" file or any single itemization of compiler directives. OK, it's hack time.
A review of the code shows two relavent compile time options "AES" and "APACHE2". The build instructions mention that it may be necessary to explicitly identify the path to the MySQL headers and libraries - and that one may have to hunt for my_aes.h and rijndael.h files. Furthermore, the Apache crypt.h file was thought to have been superceeded by unistd.h. The compile time option -DCRYPT would force the use of crypt.h instead of unistd.h.
I opened a fresh subdirectory, stuffed the "mod_auth_mysql.c" source in the directory. With my fresh subdirectory as the current directory I launched:
"apxs -c -DAES -L/usr/lib/mysql/ -I/usr/include/mysql -lmysqlclient -lm -lz mod_auth_mysql.c"
After hauling down the missing my_aes.h and rijndael.h files, the gist of a page of error messages seems to be that "APR_XtOffsetOf" can't be found. Wonderful. Where the heck is that ? (BTW, it's not mentioned in crypt.h or unistd.h.)
The mixed case suggests it's a Macro somewhere. The "APR" suggests it's part of Apache but where?
Thinking it might be a version thing, since I'm running Apache2, I dialed in "-DAPACHE2" causing the compiler to point out that it already was compiling for Apache2.
Does anyone here have a notion where "APR_XtOffsetOf" is defined or implemented?
Aza Oberman
Well, it turns out that RPM or YUM installations of mod_auth_mysql 3.0.0 do *NOT* incorporate AES support (contrary to the "news" statements elsewhere on this site). Each installation errors with "mysql invalid encryption method aes" when a sign-in is attempted.
MySQL AES_ENCRYPT and AES_ENCRYPT are working fine. This indicates that the MySQL AES support is in place and working.
Manually compiling and installing mod_auth_mysql is possible, but it looks like one has to hack the "C" code to use APR_OFFSETOF instead of APR_XtOffsetOf. The compile and install from that point forward are uneventful.
Unfortunately, the compile and install wasn't able to link properly with the MySQL lib. Even with an explicit library path my_aes_encrypt() would not link in from the MySQL library. my_aes_encrypt() is the underlieing function used by MySQL's AES_CRYPT which works just fine.
Not that I am somehow the pinnacle of doing installations under CENTOS, but I've reluctantly concluded that mod_auth_mysgl simply can't handle a robust secure password encryption technique like AES. It's fine with plain text and perhaps with some unfortunately more vulnerable encryption techniques, but it can't run with the big dogs any more.
Sad to see such a promising tool begin to fade.
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and generous help.
Hi, please read this article: http://www.xtreme-vision.net/linux/mod_auth_mysql-with-aes-encryption-on-fedora-14-x64. It describes your problem and the solution.
Aza Oberman
Wow that's a blast from the past, Michael!
I've forgotten exactly why I was trying to use mod_auth_mysql but there's no point in not adding another tool to my repertory.
Incidental to your main point in the article linked to, you observe that search engine 'bots are indeed wandering deeper in websites than one might expect. It suggests that folks are getting more aggressive about gathering resell-able information - and traditional .htaccess security may be more permeable than one would want.
I've also been hearing more war stories about popular MySQL based web design kits getting hacked at the database. I'd written off the web site kit hacks as the result of weak passwords. After all, there is a single administrative point of entry and a brute force script can sit there all day trying various combinations.
But the same thing (single point of entry) can be said for MySQL. It's generally in a default location and has a specific point of entry. BUT, the database is a juicer target because that's where names addresses and account information are.
It just may be that what I've really been hearing about is not script kiddies but a hacker who's thumbing through the raw database and unwinding some of the less securely encrypted passwords.
So I plan to check out your road map for revising and recompiling mod_auth_mysql
Thanks for sharing your thoughts,
Indeed it is a blast from the, but I could not help post the solution since mod_auth_mysql itself is not to be blamed for the missing AES encryption module, but rather Fedora rpm package. For the life of me I can not explain why they roll out the rpm with this feature turned off, as it is part of the module.
I stumbled on your article when I recently upgraded my Fedora 14 installation to Fedora 15, and in the process reset my mod_auth_mysql rpm, so suddenly it stopped working. After a while I remember my own article about this same problem and thought I would share it with you. The module mod_auth_mysql is extremely useful and quite flexible and one could go crazy with some funky auth configurations.
I am not sure though if I agree with you 100% about MySQL being the single point of entry. If a hacker attacks MySQL directly through TCP and the default port 3306, then yes I agree with you. On the other hand, anyone opening up MySQL to the world without serious security in place (such restrictions based on IP, etc), is asking for trouble and deserves to be hacked.
If you are talking about traditional LAMP/WAMP/XAMPP stacks, where MySQL is at the bottom of the food chain, you have to take into account Apache, PHP and finally MySQL. Apache like any other software has security holes. PHP suffers from the same problem which is why both products are constantly updated. However, the biggest problem of all comes from our own code which can contain lots of mistakes that let others exploit security breaches.
In the case of own code, in my humble opinion, it is less likely to suffer hacking since it is closed to the outside world. We are the only ones privy to the code. The real danger comes from open source packages such as MantisBT, phpMyAdmin, OSCommerce, Wordpress, etc. Those packages are downloaded by hackers, studied at leisure for badly written code or security exploits, and hacked to death. One then is at the mercy of these packages to release security updates in a timely manner and for our webmasters to update our websites just as quickly.
Finally, with regards to search engines becoming extremely pervasive, I can only comment on Google for now. I think their approach is pretty much ruthless. Their response to me was quite simple, "we index everything", which I find highly offensive and extremely dangerous. I have a personal server that I use for local development, and the sites I develop have to be accessible from the outside, so my clients (or colleagues, or collaborators) can view them. I was shocked to discover the sites were indexed by Google WITHOUT my express permission. And to be honest, I take back my comment about them finding me through DNS, it is wrong. I now suspect they found me through Google Analytics or Google Adsense code. If they have, then I consider this a serious breach of privacy, and I completely reject and refuse to accept the responsibility of blocking search bots. I find it outrageous, but what can I do? They are huge and I am peanuts in comparison.
Anyway, those are my two cents worth…
Aza Oberman
I think you've put more thought into this than I have, Michael.
My take was rather simplistic. Most of what's out there beating on the server doors for nefarious reasons are reportedly scripts. The popular press (Washington Post in my case) gives me the impression that kids set their computers to work in the morning, go to school, and come home in the evening to see what's now accessible. Ergo the term "Script Kiddies'.
Granted some of the scripts reflect some serious work but not necessarily by the person running the script. The less serious ones simply look for a default "admin" function and try various ID/Password combinations. Those easily identified user portals to a package is what I crudely meant by a "single point of entry". And you are on-point to suggest that when simple steps like renaming, changing ports, non-obvious passwords and so forth are available, folks who get hacked this way have only themselves to blame.
Why the AES encryption module isn't loaded by default is indeed puzzling. AES enjoys a reputation as one of the more robust encryption schemes. Surely a solid encryption scheme would contribute mightily to the positive feelings towards any installation.
As for the outfits harvesting and reselling information about people; I totally agree with your observations, Michael. The whole process seems like the old adage "Garbage in, Gospel out" when we consider how shaky much of the information on the Internet is. That gets pretty dangerous when reputations are involved.
Thanks for your contributions. They are useful and engaging.


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Rated 4 out of 5 by WeekInMaui Great hotel, but undergoing renovations Hotel rooms are "tired" and need to be updated - management is currently doing so, but in the interim the construction noises can be very disruptive during the day. However, resort amenities are great and Relish Burger Bar dishes up outstanding food. Location right near Whaler's Village is phenomenal! In-room internet kicks you off many times within short periods of time - very annoying. September 22, 2013
Rated 5 out of 5 by Tsg5658 Great Trip! We had a great time during our stay and can't wait to come back to see the remodel! September 22, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by Hess47 4th time stay I have been an SPG gold member for several years now. I asked the booking agent, concierge and rooms manager before our arrival for an upgrade to the beach tower. I was told upon check in that the tower was booked. Being the shoulder season I hardly believe that. We are on the 6th floor Ocean tower. We were there from 9/13-9/21. I thought they would at least put us on the 11th floor newly remodeled rooms. No such luck. Guess Gold status does not have perks it used to. WiFI is terribly slow. Took hours to download iPhone new operating system. They charge $15 per day for faster speed. I can go to Starbucks and get fast free WiFi for buying a cup of coffee. Total rip off. Even charge for internet to print boarding passes in business center. With the thousands we spent on food and beverages should have been free upgrade and free business center. The restaurant Tropica used to be great. Under new owners and is terrible. Cannot even eat buffet there for breakfast by ocean anymore. Food is terrible now. Need to buy the restaurant back. After room remodel hotel rooms should be much nicer. Relish menu is good but seem limited compared to old menu. Noise all day long from construction. Replaced our favorite beach chair person Robert. He was laid off. Guess they contracted with outside service. We decided next trip it is time for a new hotel. Would not stay here again. Stayed here 4 times and this was our worst. Seems to have gone downhill over time. September 22, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by JHSMLB Great resort facilities - but needed room upgrades The resort facilities are wonderful - the pool, the beach and the Relish Bistro make for a great day. But the rooms are in need of upgrades - we had an ocean view room but the carpets, walls and lanai were old and very worn. September 22, 2013
Rated 5 out of 5 by Hawaii6161 The pools bring out the best in you From the moment I stepped foot on the property, the service level was outstanding. Born under a lucky star, I was booked for the first stay in the newly renovated ocean front beach tower. The contemporary, fresh, uncluttered room and beautifully tiled shower were a worthy setting for that signature Heavenly Bed. I had three spa services. A Heavenly Lei Pedicure was the best. Heather was a perfectionist. I had a 7th Heaven Facial from Jamie, the product line and technique were very nice The Lomi Lomi Massage by Paris was outstanding. The pools will bring out the best in you. Connected by slides and waterfalls that were a blast for adults of all ages. Private pool for adults only if you just want to chill. The staff were friendly and helpful. September 21, 2013
Rated 5 out of 5 by Mjpm313 No regrets My boyfriend and I came to the Westin for our 7 year anniversary around midnight on Sunday, Sept 1st. We were greeted by very nice concierge men at the doors. Checking-in was seamless, but the front desk agent mentioned a king bed and when we got to the room, we were looking at two doubles. We really didn't mind, but I called up just to clarify what i had heard when checking in. Another room was offered to us the morning after, but it would have been facing the golf course, and I enjoyed the garden view I had currently so we stayed. We were still jet lagged from the flight and wanted something to eat, but honestly, EVERYTHING SHUTS DOWN AFTER 9PM at the resort, you need to take the complementary shuttle to Lahaina for some night life, but last bus back to the resort is at 10:30pm and if you miss it, it's a long walk back.. We were told by bartenders that even the restaurants and bars shut down early that week due to half the resort being in construction.. I get that they generate lower revenue due to the construction, but it really blows for those who spend money to stay and eat there. Watch out for the $32/night resort fee that is added on to your rate. Lucky for me, I went online and researched what it was for and what it entitles me. I've seen way too many people make a scene at the front desk because of those charges. A few friendly people I need to mention who have made our stay very enjoyable: Brian at the concierge desk - he explained how the shuttle ran and gave us really good recommendations for local places to eat. DA KITCHEN beside the airport was amazing!!! Donna & Nerio from Relish - They remembered us every time we came for breakfast and dinner, really nice people! Vic from the tours and activities kiosk - he was very nice and informative. there was a line-up of people wanting information, and he was the only one working and got through them with a smile. Thomas from the adult pool bar - He made a mean lavaflow! Dominic from the bell desk - I had an issue with Roberts Hawaii shuttle service and Dom was very concerned and offered to get me a taxi. The housekeeping staff were very nice every time I would pass by them in the halls. All these wonderful people deserve recognition for their hard work and Hawaiian hospitality! Atmosphere was great. Beach was breathtaking. Pools were well kept. Staff were beyond curtious. September 20, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by bob2828 Hotel being updates I understand the hotel is undergoing a refresh. Our room, however, had not yet been renovated. It needs it. Room had a musty smell to it and room shows signs of age. All other features and services of the hotel facility were very good. Construction noise annoying when in room during the day. September 20, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by manx07 **** Major Construction****Noise We have stayed many times at this Hotel,Upon arrival, found out the main building was being renovated. We were put in the other tower,but when your out at the pool all day listening to drilling and hammering. Its great that they are renovating, they just should have notified us .We had made our reservations a few months prior. When i spoke with SPG they said they had only known for a month.Well they also could have notified us. We will stay there again. September 20, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by Becks Not up to the Westin standard Bottom line: This place is nice, just less than what I expected. I have been impressed with Westins and Westin Resorts in the past, and the Westin Maui Resort not live up to the brand. Service: The concierge is terrible. I was harassed by concierge (three phone calls) so they could convince us to book and attend a Villa tour. Side note: we did book a tour and it was the high point of our Westin experience. If you are looking for excursions typically provided by concierge, you will have to find the Activities desk, which isn't run by the Westin. They won't book what you want, only what they want you to book. This is confusing and frustrating. Example: our only option for a Haleakala bike tour was to be picked up at the hotel. We wanted to drive for flexibility, so we booked our own and saved over 25% in the process. Food/drink service is hit-or-miss. We grabbed drinks at the pool bar and had excellent service there. At the breakfast buffet, we were seated promptly, but generally ignored thereafter. Location: Excellent for the resort experience. Be sure to walk up the beach to the black rocks and get out and explore all that Maui has to offer! SPG Recognition: I have spent hundreds of nights with Starwood and I'm on my honeymoon, so I was hoping for - and received - a couple perks. We were given a voucher that I redeemed for a complementary bottle of white wine, but it took an hour and came with champagne glasses. We were given an upgrade to an ocean-view room, but noise kept us up or woke us up every day. I did ask about other room options, but the front desk felt we should be thrilled with what we had since I did book with points and I did get an upgrade. Honestly, I am struggling to complain because the perks were very nice -- they were just terribly executed. The rough edges of my experience may not bother you, so you may love this place. If you are expecting the comfortable and complete Westin experience, you might find yourself disappointed. September 19, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by EDG1222 Honeymooning? I expected a grand experience when my husband and I booked this hotel for our honeymoon. I was not pleased when we pulled up and realized there would be construction during our stay. While we were assured that we would not be inconvenienced by the construction that would be several floors above ours, our bubble was quickly burst when the following day construction started across the hall from our room. The front desk staff were neither understanding nor accommodating, and we were left no choice but not set foot in our room from the hours of 8:50am until 5:30pm. Granted, we did not want to spend our vacation cooped in our hotel room, but it would have been nice to not hear jackhammering from the pool or when we wanted to nap after watching the sunrise from Haleakala. For what we were promised, and for what we paid, I expected a magical resort experience. Needless to say, I was sorely disappointed and will not be staying at this property nor recommending it to friends. September 18, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by RickyL This hotel used to be great We have stayed here many times but our enthusiasm is fading. The checking process is horrible. It takes 15 minutes per person and the line is frequently over an hour. First the checkin process itself needs improvement and secondly they need to pull in more staff when delays get bad. This by itself is a reason we may not come back. There isn't enough shade at the pool. All shaded spaces are always, always, every day in use. So the guests fry. Tropica should be open year-round for breakfast. It is a much nicer environment than Relish. All concierges at the hotel try to sell you timeshares so we avoid them like the plague. It would be great is someone just wanted to help guests. The sofa bed we had was terribly uncomfortable. On the positive side, the bell staff and valets are wonderful. The location is perfect. The beds and baths are still the best. The pools are still really great with good family/adult/kid separation. The wait staff is generally excellent. September 17, 2013
Rated 5 out of 5 Sad to leave I couldnt have asked for a better experiance. September 16, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by Dayna2 The hotel has great amenities We were very disappointed to find the Hotel un construction during our visit. The noise level was so loud we could not even be in the room. On the 4th day i finally could take the noise any longer and complained. They did move us to the other tower after I instead that they do the right thing and we were much happier in the new tower. Part of the resort fee includes 2 bottles of Water per day we never got our water delivered to our room except when we complained to the front desk, they would then send up the 2 bottles. We have stayed at the Ocean Villas and were very pleased there but this was not a good experience To sum it up it would have been nice if they would have posted that they were going to be under construction during our stay. We would have chosen another Hotel to stay at. For the service and overall experience I would not stay there again September 15, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by BobbyZ56 Great Hotel It first started very bad for us. they gave us a very noisy room. Book it did not tell us you are renovating the hotel. I will never book through a 3rd party again. September 14, 2013
Rated 1 out of 5 by ashley3084 Don't go if you have kids and want a hot tub. We tried to check in around 11 am and were told the room wasn't ready early but we could go down to the pool area. Pool and hot tub are especially important to us. Their pool is one of the coldest. So we decided to go into the hot tub. Well the hot tub is in the adults only area so we couldn't even get near the hot tub because we have kids with us. Usually the kids just sit next to the hot tub, but at this hotel they aren't even aloud in the area. We left the hotel and went to another Starwood hotel in the area which had much nicer pools and a hot tub which the kids can sit next to. We will not be returning. :( September 13, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by Jerry05 Construction The hotel was under construction, this was not mentioned anywhere. We could not be in our room during the day too loud. September 12, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by EMTJET Love this place but needs some updating We always love staying at the Westin when in Maui. The staff is always nice and helpful and we absolutely love the Heavenly bed, but the hotel is looking a little withered and needs some updating. The workout room was fantastic and available 24 hours which is great if you are up really early. The food menu at the Relish Burger Bistro needs help. We did go to other hotels for breakfast as they had a better selection for the price. I still would recommend this place but you should keep this in mind. September 9, 2013
Rated 1 out of 5 by dsingh84 pools were great, and that's it. Disappointed Sink clogs until someone got that fixed on our last day. AC repaired on last day as well. Not to mention the curiosity of someone that was in our room I'd we never got cleaning service when there was a half eaten Apple in the trash can that no one looked into after mentioning a couple times. Elevators smelled terrible by the way. Banging over and over didn't help for the honeymoon relaxation, but we understood that was part of renovations. We loved the villas time share presentation and were very close to purchasing that, but the up keep of the westin had us questioning a little. September 9, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by JKD1974 Disappointed with this resort I understand the resort is undergoing a much needed renovation but was unhappy that this had not been clearly noted on the website when I booked. I would have chosen another resort, due to construction noise when trying to relax around the pool. We had an ocean view room which was large with a great view, but very tired looking. It was also extremely noisy from the air-conditioning units below. A kettle to boil water would have been appreciated because I could not make a cup of tea, only coffee, which I don't drink. The location is stunning and once the renovation is complete, I am sure it will be a lovely resort. However, I felt that the standard of the food and beverages was poor, which was surprising for a Westin 4 star resort. The service was very good except for the bar staff in the main pool area - the person who served me was unhelpful and rude when I did not understand what a "well cocktail" was. It is not a term that I have heard during my global travels. As a result, we went and ate lunch and dinner at other resort restaurants or went into Lahaina. Disappointed because we had paid in advance for five nights - it spoilt our holiday on Maui - our first trip to Hawaii. September 9, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by zini One of the worst experiences at Westin! Hi, This was my first time to Maui and I decided to stay at Westin Resort since it is part of SPG and I have stayed in other hotels which are part of SPG and they were good! This hotel didnot meet my expectations atall. Room was really cramped, with cheap interiors, old fashioned, no basic amenities -- hair dyer, ironing setup were missing. Hospitality was the worst.. room was not cleaned up properly, refrigerator was stinking! In short, I didnot feel like coming back to the room and I believe even a 2 star hotel has better rooms and services. I agree that hotel is in a good location (close to beach) but Westin really needs to improve their rooms to make guest comfortable I wouldn't come back to Westin if I visit Maui again and would not recommend this hotel to anyone! September 6, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by NotThrilled42 This hotel was OK No comments - if one can't say something positive, then they should keep their comments to themselves. September 5, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by Marc99 Great place to relax. Very kid friendly, truly enjoyed my stay and so did my whole family. September 3, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by hotphosoup Great resort facilities but poor room and service. We arrived late Aug to construction. Load construction. After expressing concern about the level of noise Rebecca from the front placed up right next to it. Bad karma there but I got her to move us to the center of the hotel with less noise. Construction eventually moved to the center but that was on our last day. The rooms are very tight for the double beds. The entertainment center could use a better set up and the fire sprinkler needs to be replaces. We saw a rusted up one in room 431. The bathtub needs a floor mat because it's dangerously slippery when wet. Last but not least, there an annoying flashing fire alarm light so if you are sensitive to light during your sleep, then you'll be in trouble. I didn't really have a choice in where I stayed this time because this was the wedding party hotel. Oh, RELISH Cafe and Bar food sucks! Don't do it. Especially the fish sandwich. Ick! The only 2 redeeming factor was the view from the Ocean Tower and most of the pool. Closure and construction to the pool area too. 2/5 stars September 3, 2013
Rated 5 out of 5 by hubahubahuba Greatest Place on Earth!!! Back again to this wonderful place and will re-iterate what I wrote just recently on my last stay: This hotel is sooo enjoyable and relaxing. From the moment you enter, you truly are in paradise here. You are greeted with a lai and the women/men at check-in are so sweet. You go to your clean room and look out the window with incredibly beauty of colorful flowers and palm trees. The pool is so much fun. The kids love the slides. Mom loves the spa. My therapist name is Carrie. I been to her 5 times. I also met a new therapist by the name of Ann who was also wonderful (Carrie was not in that day). Carrie is a healer and so sincere in what she does making sure you are comfortable and enjoying her service to the full. After all the delicious foods at the hotel, you sleep in the "heavenly" bed and it is heavenly. I can never say anything bad about this place and I have been there probably over 15 times. Will be back soon! Mahalo and Aloha September 3, 2013
Rated 3 out of 5 by Beda233 No ocean view I wish I could post a current photo of my ocean view room. I'm sitting on my patio while my baby naps. We upgraded using starpoints because we knew we would spend 2-3 hours mid day back at the room while he napped. What a disappointment. We look straight ahead to the ocean tower and to the right we see the roof of the beach tower. We also had a nice conversation with the maintenance workers yesterday who were picking up trash from the roof we adjoin. We can see the ocean if we stand up on our balcony, but that's the only way. Maybe I've been spoiled by Gold status over the years. With upgrades at check in at most resorts. It's still a nice place, but don't upgrade. Not worth the points for what you get. Maybe paying guests get better views? September 3, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by bella2013 Beautiful Hotel, Bad Customer Service The hotel, pool, setting, gym, and overall location are all amazing. The front desk staff and overall customer service was quite unsatisfactory. The check in process was laborious and not at all thorough. I had a confirmed rate in my reservation which they attempted not to honor resulting in 3 trips to the front desk and some assertive conversations. They did finally honor the reservation I made months ago, however, the staff was scattered and quite rude. Also, the activities schedule which seemed quite comprehensive was a bit of a joke as many of the activities didn't happen at all or were cancelled at the last minute much to the disappointment of my children. The poolside staff and housekeeping were very nice. As I mentioned - the setting and actual property are stunning, but there are many options in Maui, so next time I will likely find a place with better customer service. September 3, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by Pierre65 vacation with family I was so dispointed with the Westin Maui Resort & Spa. What a horrible reservation department. Their manager Jeff need to have extensive Customer Service training. What a poor manager/supervisor that man protrayed of himself and of the Westin Maui Resort & Spa. I feel sorry for any customer who would have to deal with him or his rude staff. Must need additional customer training which is a must for that Hotel. I would never spend $400.00 + a night for a miserable place where they separate a family in different tower and I mean at least 1/2 mile apart. and they think its funny. Poor business management, maybe I shoud apply for a job. Trust me I woud do a must bettrer job Than Jeff. September 1, 2013
Rated 2 out of 5 by alittletan Warning construction zone Don't go to The Westin Maui if you are looking for a restful peace and quiet stay. They are remodeling the top 4 floors of the hotel and it is grinding and banging. There is also no ace to park due to the construction vehicles so you are forced to use valet. Also, don't plan on having them recongize you as a SPG gold client, they don't care. September 1, 2013
Rated 1 out of 5 by Scazz40 What a Disappointment!! From check in to check out staying at the Westin Maui Resort was a great disappointment. When we arrived at the valet we entered a war zone of a construction site. At check in we were met by Joven, customer service I guess is not his area of expertise, a surprise for a front desk representative. We were not given the requested room assignments, were told our pre-paid itinerary was not valid and there was nothing he could do. Reluctantly we proceeded with check in only to be informed the rooms were not ready. We waited most of the day for a call from the front desk, and promised when the room was ready they would call our mobile phone. After waiting hours for a call we decided to check with the desk only to find out the room had been ready for hours. We checked in and discovered we were on the second floor near the elevator and in rooms with a common outdoor walkway adjoining all the rooms, not feeling very safe, traveling with children who were sharing the adjacent room. In fact we were disturbed by a security person to retrieve a fallen bathing suit from a floor above. I contacted the manager Blake, and the theme continued, rude and unaccommodating customer service. After contacting SPG corporate and days later we were finally moved to an ocean view higher floor. As an SPG member and someone engaged in the film and tv business as a producer that books hundreds of nights at W's and Sheratons for my staff and partners I was shocked by how me and my family were treated. This was my 20th anniversary, and I had amazing experiences in Oahu and Kauai. No Lei greeting, gesture for our troubles. My stay at your property was very disappointing for my family and I, time and memories that we'll never get back. Live and learn, what a shame. sincerely, John S August 31, 2013
Rated 4 out of 5 by bonnieb2000 Beautiful Location The hotel was beautiful. However, each time I approached the front desk there was a wait. Housekeeping was inconsistent. Some days we received extra towels and coffee for our party of three, other days we did not. The Ocean tower where our room was located was a little noisy for the early AM deliveries for the restaurants. Finally, the hotel is being renovated..this was never mentioned, not a check-in or when we reserved. Jack hammers at the pool=not relaxing. August 29, 2013


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Rapid and sensitive MRM-based mass spectrometry approach for systematically exploring ganglioside-protein interactions
Article first published online: 12 MAR 2013
DOI: 10.1002/pmic.201200410
© 2013 WILEY-VCH Verlag GmbH & Co. KGaA, Weinheim
Special Issue: FOCUS ON INTEGRATIVE PROTEOMICS
Volume 13, Issue 8, pages 1334–1338, April 2013
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Tian, R., Jin, J., Taylor, L., Larsen, B., Quaggin, S. E. and Pawson, T. (2013), Rapid and sensitive MRM-based mass spectrometry approach for systematically exploring ganglioside-protein interactions. Proteomics, 13: 1334–1338. doi: 10.1002/pmic.201200410
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- Issue published online: 12 APR 2013
- Article first published online: 12 MAR 2013
- Accepted manuscript online: 11 FEB 2013 04:08AM EST
- Manuscript Accepted: 24 NOV 2012
- Manuscript Revised: 12 NOV 2012
- Manuscript Received: 5 SEP 2012
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Gangliosides are ubiquitous components of cell membranes. Their interactions with bacterial toxins and membrane-associated proteins (e.g. receptor tyrosine kinases) have important roles in the regulation of multiple cellular functions. Currently, an effective approach for measuring ganglioside-protein interactions especially in a large-scale fashion is largely missing. To this end, we report a facile MS-based approach to explore gangliosides extracted from cells and measure their interactions with protein of interest globally. We optimized a two-step protocol for extracting total gangliosides from cells within 2 h. Easy-to-use magnetic beads conjugated with a protein of interest were used to capture interacting gangliosides. To measure ganglioside-protein interaction on a global scale, we applied a high-sensitive LC-MS system, containing hydrophilic interaction LC separation and multiple reaction monitoring-based MS for ganglioside detection. Sensitivity for ganglioside GM1 is below 100 pg, and the whole analysis can be done in 20 min with isocratic elution. To measure ganglioside interactions with soluble vascular endothelial growth factor receptor 1 (sFlt1), we extracted and readily detected 36 species of gangliosides from perivascular retinal pigment epithelium cells across eight different classes. Twenty-three ganglioside species have significant interactions with sFlt1 as compared with IgG control based on p value cutoff <0.05. These results show that the described method provides a rapid and high-sensitive approach for systematically measuring ganglioside-protein interactions.


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