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This contains Meeting Minutes for Mon 30th June 2008 and the agenda and actions to be taken. This meeting was almost entirely concerned with discussing Chekov's ideas regarding the future of indymedia. No decisions were taken regarding the substantive issue, as this will be the subject of a formal proposal to the list.
Indymedia 30th June 2008.
The meeting discussed the ideas recently sent to the main list by Chekov.
1. Plan * Internal Issues * List Archives difficult to navigate -> poor memory -> too many fights. Hard to keep track of decisions made. * Lists originally conceived as an open space which is vulnerable to disruption. This puts off potential people, although they are significantly better than a couple of years ago..
External Issues * Pure open publishing especially anonymous is not working. At any particular time, those who donÂt know how the site works tend to see some poor stories on the site which discredits the site.
* Our function is to facilitate publishers reach readers.
Kernal of plan -> replace lists with a community site. Publishers publish to the community site which is pre-reviewed especially if anonymous. Registered publishers with a good record can publish directly. The community pre-review system would allow a dialogue with writers over and above a straight hiding. You'd have comments to the author suggesting how it can be made better. As itÂs not public it can take dissatisfaction better.
Having an internal discussion system we can set a better culture of behaviour and constructive participation. Access to the internal site may be restricted if oneÂs contributions are destructive.
* Need a better way of storing our online policy.
The major change is that anonymous wriitng that automatically gets published to the public site would be done away with. Articles that are submitted anonymously would get held for clearance. Users with a constructive track record would continue to publish directly to the public site. So, for example, snarky comments on the public site would no longer get published. Users can build up positive rating via the internal system.
Chekov's first step is to move towards an internal site for the existing moderators and people who will be invited to participate in the training area.
There is a lot of baggage that comes with the indymedia culture.
Terry -> some people are under the impression that indymedia is a free speech site. Chekov -> other sites get the same criticism. ItÂs not revelant.
Chekov -> we should use the migration as a way of setting a new set of norms.
Terry -> can registered users see the hidden comments?
Chekov -> new people will only have a low "reputation". They will have to participate in the peer review system to build up credibility and there will be restrictions on their access to the hidden comments.
Terry - Oscailt could do a little of these features but not all.Does Drupal already do this?
Chekov -> a bit. Needs a few months work.
Chekov -> first step to move to internal site and use that to discuss taking the project forward.
Anthony agrees with the general thrust of the idea. Question on the accountability. What about disingenuous voting? Anonymous voting?
Chekov -> Some people take personal umbrage. Have guardians to oversee the reputation system. The guardians or overseers would be able to see who is voting for who. Guardians could suspend the membership if there is manipulation of the voting system..
Anthony again -> For the peer review to work. The idea behind indymedia was that indy readers would be peer reviewers so that the editors don't have to take the responsibility for peer review. This proposal seems to put the onus on the editors to do a lot of the peer reviewing.
Terry -> registration will result in less commenting. A big drop.
Chekov -> the reputation system should encourage better commenting.
still James -> The editors would mainly be concerned with readability and basic quality, readers can still peer review for other disagreements over what happened at a demo.
Mark: What timeframe?
Chekov -> We should go to groups and propagadise for the new system. Party press releases, Shell to Sea, NGOs.
Agreed that it would take up to up 3 months, at a minimum to get the internal system working and the public site could take over six months. Padraic would like to see a timetable of intermediate steps laid out. Chekov will include these in his proposal (to be sent to the list by the end of this week).
* What about breaking news? Requiring editors to approve anonymous submissions could significantly reduce the amount of breaking news on the site.
For major demos save editors available to approve. Organise it for bigger events. Better than opening it up to the trolls.
IPs Would the internal site of registered users require IP logging? For logged in users their identity is known anyway. That is the point of the system. IPs can be scrubbed after x minutes. If you want to publish something anonymously then donÂt do under a registered name.
Aim to have an internal discussion tool and a policy framework which are used to flesh out the detail. This will be a closed environment.
Second step will be the change to content editing. Those details will be needed to be worked out using the internal system to discuss..
|Another 3 months to public system. Interested People, including Ciaran Moore. Terry -> thatÂs important. Chekov: he likes it because it may support a community, He is interested in having a community for film making. This would be inappropriate for a news site.
Terry -> this could be influential for other indymedias. But could lessen the individual contributions.
Terry -> does any system need leaders to deal with messers.
Chekov -> sell it from two points. It'll be higher quality and this new community site .
Padraic -> a fork would be seen as negative. The reforms themselves are positive and there is no real relevance to having a fork. Drop that bit and concentrate on the positive. It retains a version of open publishing.
Anthony doesn't want to describe it as a split. The plan is the next evolutionary step. It is more accountable and done properly would facilitate the publishing of good non-corporate news than the current system.
Ronan -> positive about the plan. Not a split or fork as there is nobody prepared to take up the other end of the fork. Sees it as a revamp of the site. Details needs to be ironed out. Would get rid of the word guardians.
Mark -> fairly happy. Some things need technical details. Needs a bit of outreach starting soon. Say 4 or 5 months to give time.
Chekov: Would need a brief goal statement that we can give people. Would need to look at the guidelines again.
Chekov -> The fork was him getting pissed off with them. ItÂs a put up or shut up to the moaners. The important that we don't get dragged back into discussing the basics as we already have a lot of agreement on that. Spending the rest of eternity dealing with them means a lot of positive work gets laid aside. Time to work completely separately from them and get on with our own thing.
Padraic -> should the internal site be publicly accessible? He thinks so. In terms of perception this is important. Disruptive people not welcome but apart from that in favour of publicly accessible.
Chekov -> We need to ask whether any particular approach confers more advantages than disadvantages. In this case whatÂs the advantage? We should make the decision on the basis of its implications. People who want to sign up to the internal site need to agree to a set of policies as we need to set a standard of norms. It's a working community site not a public one.
Mark -> people should have public access to it eventually but not immediately. What about disruptive people?
Chekov: they'd have to behave positively. Otherwise access will be restricted via the rating mechanism.
Anthony: This would require some thought regarding external feeds. Will it be an explicitly left wing site? Doesn't have a problem with that but we'd have to clarify it. Otherwise what criteria would we use when incorporating blog posts?
Chekov has a brief draft document that outlines basic principles. Justice equality and freedom. This keeps out the far right. Also, stuff that gets underreported elsewhere so as to emphasise that it is a facility for the non-corporate media.
Terry: we should aim to be politically neutral. Doesn't see it as a community of the left. Sees it as an information processing.
Anthony -> working collectively should be a value.
Padraic -> indymedia comes from a radical background.
Mark -> whatÂs to stop a takeover of the site?
Chekov -> build the site slowly. Keep the reputation system somewhat quite in good order so that any messers get hit with a bad rep.
* More on reputation: Reputation in three areas -> publishing, reviewing and building community. People could have a low rep in one area and okay one in another area. As people get better reps they become guardians. Chekov talked to a lawyer and we wouldnÂt be more liable.
Have case studies and high level policy. Simplify it to 3 points a) information content. Different for photos and opinion pieces. b) appropriate content -> not pornography c) XXX
Anthony -> could have high level and the current ones as a lower levels. Inappropriate is too subjective. There is benefit to clarity in having guidelines written down.
Advantage to high level guidelines is that things that are missing in the current guidelines can be dealt with.
Decision making.
Chekov will put in a proposal with a 3 week debate period. Will specify a couple of steps, e.g. the internal site, draw up an introductory document. Approach a few people who we consider to have decent judgment. Put story on newswire if passed. Draw up a long list of people to invite to meetings to explain the trajectory of indymedia.
Timeline for implementation
Padraic ->
Mark -> what about the constitution? Chekov -> Before we move we will have to modify the constitution a little. Get rid of emailing lists. Otherwise the constitution still stands. In particular the decision making procedure of the constitution remains in force until explicitly changed.
Pont null -> time zero is the day we move the discussion from the lists.
Chekov -> wants to put in a clause saying that we will assist indymedia in some manner.
Padraic may mail the list on the fork. Chekov will mail the list before the proposal putting the fork to bed.
Disassociation --> Chekov -> any bans carry over. Padraic to mail regarding not working with disruptive folks.
Next meeting: Thursday 24th July. The deadline for deciding on Chekov's proposal is 28th July.

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There's foot stomping at trendy discos to be found in Lamai, with friendly venues offering a cool ambience with excellent cocktails, top-of-the-range wine labels and easy-going, god-time vibes. If you like to party, Lamai is a great place to stay in Samui Island.
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Other Nightlife Venues in Lamai
Bondi Aussie Bar & Grill
Bondi Aussie Bar & Grill is a popular chain restaurant in Thailand (there's a branch in Chaweng and one at Patong Beach, Phuket). In Lamai, Bondi is situated in the heart of all things, diagonally opposite the busy Lamai Central Plaza and its beer-bars and outdoor Thai Boxing ring. Set in a long one-storey building blending Thai (thatch roof) and contemporary style (modern furnishing and lighting), Bondi is a cool and lively joint at which punters can follow premier league football or other live sports on their flat screen TVs, or listen to energetic live music performed by a local band every Friday from 22:00 'til late.
Most of the food is classic pub-grub-style (fish and chips at 299 baht), burgers (cheeseburger at 290 baht) as well as a great choice of western favourites (pasta, pizza, steak). Two Happy Hour periods (Sundowners from 16:00-18:00 and Latenighters from 22:00-00:00) offer buy one get one free Mojito. Bondi is amongst the favourite restaurants in Lamai due to its cool atmosphere but overall for the quality of the food it serves.
- Opening Hours: 10:00 – 01:00
- Location: opposite Barrio Latino in the centre of Lamai
- Tel: 077 601 738
- Cuisine: International
Right in the centre of Lamai, opposite McDonalds is a 2,000sqm plaza hosting a dozen beer bars ('bar beers', as they are called in Thailand) some sporting dancing poles, with names like Sexy Lady, Hollywood, Why Not, The Super Girls Bar, Longhorn Bar (this one is a long-established water hole in a bar scene which is in constant evolution) – all playing their own music at various volumes – producing a head-splitting cacophony.
These girlie bars are a happening place in high season and a great people-watching place even for non-customers of this kind of business. The competition is tough between these venues and gets even more on Saturday nights (in high season) with lady Thai boxing contests in a small ring set in the middle of the plaza; it's all free, just buy a drink or two at one of the surrounding bars. Read More...
- Opening Hours: 18:00 – late (the plaza starts to get lively after 21:00)
- Location: By McDonald's Main Street
Chill In
Chill In on Lamai Beach is popular with tourists and residents alike due to its relaxed atmosphere, chilled-out music and range of seating areas. You can chose to chill on large comfortable bamboo chairs, swing in a hammock or lie on the beach on a tradition Thai 'mon' – triangular cushion. Chill In also serves food all day at fairly reasonable prices and has a good drinks menu.
- Opening Hours: 08:00 – 02:00
- Location: Lamai Beach
On Lamai's main street is the ever popular Fusion nightclub. Featuring two excellent resident DJs the music ranges from acid jazz to funky house and suits the darkly atmospheric club. Shake the night away on Fusion's heaving dance floor or people watch in one of the comfortable seating areas. This is where the after-hour denizens congregate.
- Opening Hours: 18:00 – late
- Location: Main Street
Lava Lounge is not the only bar in Samui sidestepping bar girls and loud music but it's one of the best that does so. Quite simply, Lava Lounge has the 'it' factor in spades in that it's friendly, tasteful and actually brews up some great cocktails with a smile. Read More...
- Opening Hours: 16:00 – 02:00
- Location: Diagonally opposite Lamai Wanta Resort
Let Them Drink
Let Them Drink is a rather large venue located diagonally opposite Shamrock Irish Pub in the centre of Lamai town. Blending in style a sports bar, a cosy lounge, and even a guesthouse (they have a few rooms for rent at reasonable prices in their backyard), this cool venue is stylish yet unpretentious. Punters can enjoy an all-day Happy Hour (70 baht for local beers) and every Friday is Cocktail Night (all cocktails priced at 99 baht). Apart from the many televisions broadcasting international sports events, customers can rejoice in playing darts or playing pool on the professional Brunswick pool table available at the back of the bar. All in all, Let Them Drink is the perfect place to spend a nice evening chatting and drinking with friends, checking email (free Wi-Fi) or watching people strolling along Lamai main road in a nice setting without breaking the purse.
- Opening Hours: 16:00 – 01:00
- Location: Lamai Main Street
Outback Bar
Styled like an outback saloon without walls, lots of bar stools and Australian and Thai beer make this the perfect place to perch and watch the world go by. Live sports shown and allegedly this is the place for the best English breakfast around.
- Opening Hours: 14:00 – 02:00
- Location: Lamai Beach Road
Red Fox Too
For regulars, this is the best bar in Lamai, even if it is sometimes the most dysfunctional one. A sign outside states 'Bad jokes told in a strange dialect' and this just about sums up the bar owner's role in life. A weekly host to the area's Hash House Harriers, the Red Fox also has Sunday roasts later on in the afternoon. It's the friendly ambience that keeps people coming back and the cocktail-mix of British and Thai hospitality, carefree humour and beer is an addictive one.
- Location: Just off the main drag up a small road opposite the Billabong bar
Downtown Lamai you'll find this sizeable Irish pub that has dominated the local night scene since 2005. For sports lovers Shamrock provides four separate satellite feeds on six large-screen TVs and the place is big enough to absorb them all without descending into audio mayhem. Shamrock also has pretty feisty live music five times a week (in high season) on a centrally located stage. And if you're after a game of pool the pub has genuine slate pool tables. Read More...
- Opening Hours: 10:00 – 02:00
- Location: Central Lamai
- Remarks: Free Wi-Fi
- Tel: 081 597 8572
Smooth Pub
Slightly south of outback bar is the Smooth Pub. Don't let this venue's cave-like appearance put you off; there's live music every night, starting around 22:00 and the musicians are up for a jam anytime, in case you have itchy fingers.
- Opening Hours: 16:00 – 02:00
- Location: Lamai Main Street
Super Sub Club
Located just behind Fusion nightclub, this cavernous venue has plenty of pounding techno and house music to keep revelers awake. Sub has an excellent selection of drinks and a large beer garden outside with a huge TV screen to keep sports fans happy.
- Opening Hours: 21:00 – 02:00
- Location: Main Road, Lamai.
No, Swing Bar is not a wife-swapping venue, as the name suggests. Rather, it's a big beachside affair with rope-suspended swing chairs facing a well-frequented buffed-concrete-and-wood bar right on the beach itself at Lamai. Here, you can enjoy a whole raft of cocktails or even a Sang Som or vodka 'bucket' while watching the nightly fire dances (19:00, 21:00 and 23:00) as well as at the Friday and Monday night parties. You can also enjoy a game of pool at one of the three roadside tables at Swing. Read More...
- Opening Hours: 07:30 – late
- Location: At the Rich Resort, Lamai Beach
Thai Boxing # 1 (Muay Thai)
Thailand's most famous sport and a must-see for any visitor Muay Thai is hosted by two different venues in Lamai. Lamai Stadium runs fights on Monday nights starting at 20:30. Expect to see lots of hopping around, the occasional bit of action and a lot of male (sometimes female) pride getting pounded.
- Opening Hours: Monday nights starting 20:30
- Location: Soi Haad Lamai
Thai Boxing # 2
For a less traditional but hugely entertaining experience the small boxing ring opposite Fusion Nightclub on the Main Street presents lady Thai boxing on Saturday nights. Entry is free – just buy a drink at one of the surrounding Go-Go bars. Each Saturday there are several bouts of lady boxing, men boxing and if you're really lucky the hilarious sight of ladyboy boxing – once seen never forgotten! Get there early to ensure a good view.
- Opening Hours: 21:30
- Location: Main Street
In the midst of a warren of girlie bars near to Lamai's night bazaar stands the Wine Bar – living proof that someone is actually thinking outside the box in Lamai. The Wine Bar is the preferred oasis for many expatriate professionals living in and around Lamai as it is exactly what it says on the tin – a wine bar where people can socialise over a good drink without being harassed. Read More...
- Opening Hours: 18:00 – 02:00
- Location: Near Lamai Night Plaza
- Tel: 087 099 8845
Nearby Lamai
Beach Republic
An ambitious beachside location, Beach Republic incorporates lazy, poolside dining, chilled-out music, very modern design and pioneering tapas and mains menus. The scene here is decidedly cool and the Republic throws events with international DJ's and also has movie nights. Call for information.
- Opening Hours: 08:00 – 23:00
- Location: Beach Republic The Residences - North of Lamai Beach off the Ring Road – look for the signs
- Tel: 077 458 100
Samui Rock Bar
Samui Rock Bar is the image of a typical beach bar in South Thailand: built from bamboo and thatch, driftwood and other recovered materials, this cool venue is set right next to the famous Grandpa and Grandma Rocks (Hin Ta and Hin Yai) at the southern tip of Lamai Bay. The bar features a small terrace built between huge granite boulders and has great sea views, Thai triangle pillows and low tables and its atmosphere could not be more laid-back if it tried.
Samui Rock Bar has a rather misleading name as the venue is more a Rastafarian temple than a rocking place. Hosting occasional live Reggae performances, nightly fire shows (in high season), and a tattoo studio (Samui Bamboo Tattoo Studio), it is a great place to chill out and get back to the roots. Samui Rock Bar also serves food (Thai and international) at very reasonable prices.
- Opening Hours: 10:00 – late
- Location: right next to Hin Ta & Hin Yai
Tawann Bar & Terrace
Situated within the Renaissance Koh Samui Resort & Spa, the TawaNN Bar & Terrace is one of the island's best cocktail lounges. The bar seats about 30 and has a small but concise cocktail list as well as a fine wines and spirits menu. The decor is an impressive mixture of Thai and contemporary design and the bar looks out towards the beach with spectacular sunset and sea views. There are also delicious light snacks and a good range of afternoon teas and coffees available.
- Opening Hours: 10:30 – 24:00
- Location: Renaissance Koh Samui Resort & Spa. On the Ring Road, between Lamai and Chaweng
The Club Samui
Popular with Hi-So Thais, The Club Samui isn't the most rocking venue around but it does have a good beach ambience and a unique feel to it. If sipping cocktails beach-and-poolside is your thing, away from the madness and girlie bars, this is a decent option.
- Location: North of Lamai on the Ring Road to Chaweng opposite Buddy Oriental Samui Beach Resort


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Thanks for the update.
Tension seems to be getting hotter on the border.
It will be interesting to see if Obama keeps his supposed promise to BiBi and puts US troops on the Sinai border to stop smuggling of Iranian weapons to Gaza !
I know I don't trust him, so you can bet your last dollar that Bibi knows the score.
Most (at least most here now) know that this cease fire has been engineered to show Israel's restraint and willingness to negotiate, while at the same time create yet another opportunity for the world at large to see the aggression truly coming from the other side of the fence (literally).
Consider this as well; at this point in history, Israel knows full well it has been left on it's own - that writing has been chiseled onto the wall. With this understanding, don't discount the possibilities that again appeasing Washington (BO) will also ultimately reveal that even though Israel capitulates with the desires of Washington under the guise of more and more promises, Washington cannot be trusted from an Israeli standpoint any more than Hamas & Co.
As this comes to fruition, Israel will actually have a much more firm footing to do whatever they deem necessary to ensure their own safety and survival.
The attention span for many has been exceeded during this cease fire time frame. This is the by-product of a society so steeped with instant gratification, that if something isn't "right now", then it has either failed or the operation is over in entirety. This is far from the truth, and this time is being used for many preparations, both politically and logistically, on more than one front, while also crating an environment where true supporters of Israel (as Israel - not some concocted combined area) as well as their true enemies are all ultimately revealed.
This is the beginning of separating the wheat from the chaff.
What do you suppose will happen if Israel is attacked by multiple Muslim states in unison? Israel would obviously respond viciously in the beginning. What would Obama do? Threaten to join the Muslims against Israel and bomb Israel from subs and carriers?Seems to me that Obama expects Israel to accept extermination or risk the US attacking Israel. This power broker thing Obama is doing, coupled with Obama's Muslim sympathies spells the end of Israel. If Israel submits to Obama they will be destroyed. They will also be destroyed if they don't. How does Israel deal with this?
Part of this last week's focus was to begin addressing that very threat. An opportunity for Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc., all to raise their heads, even if not by directly acting but exposing their supplying/ supporting of factions against Israel, thereby creating a pathway for Israel to take care of pressing issues on their doorstep before moving on to garbage further out in the neighborhood.
As much disdain as I have for Obama, I don't see him taking direct action against Israel any time soon - but I can surely be wrong. Obama is looking at the Caliphate as a child eyes wrapped Christmas gifts, as he believes he will definitely have a position of importance within should such actually become realized. Saying that, I believe he will create any obstacle in Israel's path possible that he can from behind the scenes, while attempting to retain the mask of alliance with Israel here at home. Remember, he's only said "Israel has a right to defend themselves", and this brings to light a couple of different angles.
1) He made that statement, and it has been repeated over and over by the MSM this past week and a half as if he's putting full support behind Israel, though this is not so. He's made no specific, qualifying statement regarding the Israel/ Gaza conflict, though he has spent time traveling while extending his support to Egypt under the guise of "negotiating a cease fire". He, as always, has yet to make a firm stand for Israel.
2) I firmly believe he will do everything within his capabilities to promote the acceptance of Palestine in the UN, further expressing his support for those factions still striving for an elimination of Israel.
3) His statement centered around Israel's "Right to defend themselves" - implying as long as they were to wait to get hit first, the respond with a proportionate action, he was ok with it. This position will hurt Israel in the near future, and they definitely recognize that.
If Israel continues their current path of clearing their doorstep, the threat of multiple exigent engagements at home will be greatly diminished. Obama knows this, as does Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Islamic Jihad/ Egypt/ Syria/, and certainly Iran. As much as Israel is using the current quelling of fighting to further their ultimate goals, the above named actors are using this time as well to re-organize as to how best to create more disruptions in Israel's plans, consume resources, wear down personnel (even the ramping up & waiting creates stress & fatigue), and attempt to weaken the resolve of the Israeli citizenry.
Should all of this planning and preparing fail and Israel is then attacked on multiple fronts by multiple nations, they have not been very secretive pertaining to the possibilities of "The Sampson Option". This, ultimately, would not be positive for Israel, nor the rest of the world, but I firmly believe they would rather engage such option before seeing what is left of Israel being turned over to and becoming an Islamic state.
While we are gorging ourselves on left overs, storming the sales, preoccupying ourselves with football, and otherwise living with blinders on as we enter the holiday season, let us not forget that there are very serious events on the near horizon as we continue our distracted lives while living during the most dangerous times in history.
God bless us all.
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Arp, I believe you about not reading mainstream news. I have no TV, no papers or magazines delivered. I found that reporters do not get to the meat of issues and have become propaganda pieces to maintain and perpetuate the status quo.
I do subscribe to many newsletters of interest to me and to some with which I do not agree. I like to keep up on the nonsense being pumped out on the internet, just so I can stay informed.
This group of fine folks on AN are getting me to lighten up a bit and I read more of the funny stuff. I'm learning!
I'm often sad thinking of the children in my siblings families and their children's children. They all continue to drink the mormon cook-aid in great quantities, wasting a lot of time as well as more than 10% of their gross income.
The worst family is my son-in-law's. They are almost as bad as the Duggar family.
They have religious pictures almost covering their walls, the children are restricted from playing with anyone except a very few that are as fundamentalist as they are, they are home-schooled, TV shows and movies are restricted to a very few G-rated ones, and they are taught to be greatly paranoid about sex.
Felaine, I've never heard of the Duggar family cult before. The way those children are raised is very sad.
I read something the other day about the Duggar family cult (Gothardism, or something); it's much worse than I ever imagined. They might as well put both the girls and the boys in burkas for the rest of their lives....
I feel profoundly sorry for those children.
Ian, it's not weird. It's perfectly sensible if you believe (as Sam Harris says, truly believe) in documents such as Bible, Qur'an etc.
Agreed, Carl. We can hope that religious intitutions become more and more peripheral to real life.
There was a great fuss in Denmark recently when a Muslim examiner wouldn't shake hands with women examinees. What most Danes don't realise is that about one third of male priests in the Danish "Folkekirke" don't agree with the ordination of women and won't shake hands with their female colleagues. Weird, the lot of them.
"Let the church keep marginalizing their women. Hopefully this will give women the incentive to just give up on the whole institution all together. "
These are my thoughts too. In fact, I sometimes wonder why on earth are theist women theists? Can't they see the discrimination against them? Its a different thing for oppressed women (such as Muslim women in the Middle East), who have no other option but to be believers.
I'm talking about women who voluntarily follow certain religions. All major religions (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism) are discriminatory against women.
One of the small protestant churches here believes that women should shut up, that women are unfit to be leaders and they want to take away the right to vote from us. I'd think like Carl, it's an incentive to leave the church - but there is a group of women who stay in that church and try to get human rights. Very strange!
Arp, I tend to agree with your point of view. Let the church keep marginalizing their women. Hopefully this will give women the incentive to just give up on the whole institution all together. Although I know that can be difficult road to follow, it's time for them to break the cycle of ignorance and submission.
At some point, the mormon church will start to become much like what is happening in the catholic church; the internal structure weakens and it has less control over its members, resulting in a loss of adherents.
My favorite "schadenfreude" moments would be to watch these types of organizations collapse onto themselves from within.
Loren, I'm jealous of you! What more can I say? I hope you have a great time!
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