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CHICAGO (AP) -- Ben Davis was just trying to keep his at-bat
going when he suddenly hit the ball into the outfield.
With two outs in the bottom of the ninth, Davis capped a
nine-pitch at-bat against Rafael Betancourt with a drive to the
right-center field gap that scored Timo Perez from first in the
Chicago White Sox's 3-2 win over the Cleveland Indians on Sunday.
"It felt like I was up there for about half an hour," said
Davis, who was credited only with a single after connecting on a
3-2 pitch. "He was looking over at Timo and I was fouling balls
off. It's just hard getting the bat head out against that guy. He's
got a good fastball. I was just cheating as much as I could to get
the bat head out and hit it hard."
Grady Sizemore cut off Davis' shot before it could get to the
wall but Perez never hesitated, racing home and sliding in under
catcher Victor Martinez's tag -- snapping the White Sox's four-game
losing streak.
The White Sox nearly let this one get away and cost Jose
Contreras a win in his first home start with Chicago, when Martinez
hit a solo homer off Damaso Marte with one out in the ninth to tie
the game at 2.
Shingo Takatsu (5-3) got the last two outs in the ninth. He
earned the win after blowing a save against the Indians on
"As a reliever, I have to be good and ready to pitch again in
the next game," Takatsu said through an interpreter.
Contreras allowed one run and five hits with nine strikeouts in
eight innings. The right-hander was acquired from the New York
Yankees on July 31. He won his first start with the White Sox in
Kansas City last Tuesday, allowing two earned runs in six innings.
"He could have told the batters that the forkball was coming
and it wouldn't have mattered today because he had such great
command," White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said.
"You knew it was coming and still couldn't hit it,"
Cleveland's Matt Lawton said. "That's how good it was."
Chicago ended Cleveland's four-game winning streak and climbed
back into a second-place tie in the AL Central with the Indians.
The White Sox also stopped a six-game home losing slide.
Paul Konerko and Davis hit RBI doubles off Cleveland starter
Scott Elarton to stake Contreras to a 2-0 lead after two innings.
Elarton allowed two runs on five hits with six strikeouts in six
"I struggled with my breaking ball in the first three
innings," he said.
Ben Broussard's double in the seventh cut the lead to 2-1.
Marte replaced Contreras to start the ninth.
After Travis Hafner struck out, Martinez homered to left to hand
Marte his fifth blown save in nine attempts.
Game notes
In his only previous start at U.S. Cellular Field on Sept.
23, 2003, Contreras pitched eight scoreless innings in a 7-0 Yankee
win. ... Carlos Lee, the White Sox's usual left fielder, was in the
DH slot Sunday. He had fouled a ball off his left knee in the
eighth inning Saturday night. Carl Everett played left Sunday. ...
Davis has 12 hits in his last 28 at-bats. He had been 3-for-33 with
Seattle before the White Sox traded for him on June 27.

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Opened 3 years ago
Last modified 13 months ago
#18501 new Bug
Custom fields as foreign keys fix
|Reported by:
|Owned by:
|Database layer (models, ORM)
|Triage Stage:
|Has patch:
|Needs documentation:
|Needs tests:
|Patch needs improvement:
|Easy pickings:
Custom fields which have a different database representation as python representation are not handled correctly when rendered as Select fields. The underlying cause is that the value on the model that has the foreign key is the database representation and it is not converted to python representation when model_to_dict is called.
The ForeignKey field subclasses RelatedField and Field, but RelatedField does not override it's value_from_object method to convert the value to python.
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Changed 3 years ago by msopacua
Patch to make subclassed fields work as forein key
comment:1 Changed 3 years ago by aaugustin
- Needs documentation unset
- Needs tests unset
- Patch needs improvement unset
Could you provide a test case ? Or at least a minimal code sample and instructions to reproduce the problem?
That would be much easier for us than trying to rebuild an example from your description.
Changed 3 years ago by msopacua
reproduction data
comment:2 Changed 3 years ago by msopacua
Ok, so I'm unable to write a proper test case, because the ModelForm class does not expose the bug but the admin change form does. So the admin does something special, that I'm unable to figure out that exposes this bug.
Therefore I've provided an app "devices", that is a copy of the models involved reduced to the size that they still expose the bug. The test case therein as said, works properly. However, if one adds 'devices' to the installed apps of a project, load the fixture and then browse to http://localhost/admin/devices/devicepciid/1/ you will see that the vendor is not selected. Applying the patch, reloading application and refreshing the browser will show that the vendor is selected. I suspect the formfield callback to be the culprit but can't really figure out how to make this into a proper test case.
comment:3 Changed 3 years ago by lrekucki
comment:4 Changed 3 years ago by aaugustin
- Triage Stage changed from Unreviewed to Accepted
Indeed, I could easily reproduce the problem with the example provided.
A quick scan of the models definition doesn't reveal anything suspicious.
comment:5 Changed 20 months ago by maa@…
- Cc maa@… added
comment:6 Changed 20 months ago by maa@…
- Cc maa@… removed
comment:7 Changed 13 months ago by timo
- Needs tests set


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What was the city thinking with this 30 day notice requirement? It couldn't be to comply with housing laws, because the landlord/developer has already given the required notice. Neither can I imagine it would help the developer, who presumably wants everyone out as soon as possible.
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Swansea 4 Malmo 0: New boy Bony nets twice as £12m striker gives Laudrup big first leg lead in Europa League qualifying
One for the old and two for the new. Michu and Wilfried Bony led the way as Swansea City marked their return to European competition by issuing the kind of thumping they were more used to receiving on the wider stage.
Some 22 years after their last European fixture ended 8-0 to Monaco, Swansea all but secured their place in the final Europa League play-off round with a demolition of a Swedish team midway through their domestic season.
Michu, the star of last season, got the ball rolling in the first half and Bony, the £12million marquee signing of this summer, did the rest with two goals after the break. Alejandro Pozuelo added a late fourth, but by then Malmo had just about given up.
Deadly: Wilfried Bony scored twice for Swansea as he looked to make his mark after a £12million move
Pouncing: Michu's goal came from a slip by Malmo defender Filip Helander
Swansea: Vorm, Rangel, Amat, Williams (c), Davies, Britton (Canas 80), Shelvey, Dyer (Pozuelo 73), Routledge, Michu (De Guzman 66), Bony.
Subs not used: Tremmel, Taylor, Chico, Lamah.
Booked: Amat
Goals: Michu 37, Bony 55, 60, Pozuelo 86.
Malmo: Dahlin, Albornoz, Jansson, Helander, Ricardinho, Hamad (Kroon 82), Halsti, Thern, Friberg (Forsberg 67), Rantie, Eriksson (Johansson 76).
Subs not used: Olsen, Rakip, Konate, Cibicki.
Booked: Ricardinho, Friberg, Eriksson.
Ref: Paolo Mazzoleni
Att: 16,176
If match sharpness was a hypothetical worry in Michael Laudrup's head before the match, he will have slept far easier after this one.
'I am very pleased,' he said. 'Perfection doesn't exist in football but it is impossible not to be satisfied with four goals and none conceded. The players showed with their attitude that they really want this competition — 22 years. That's a long time.'
Bony's move from Vitesse Arnhem has been the most astonishing of a busy summer for Swansea, but there were five further first-team signings that brought the cumulative spending north of £21m.
One of those, Jonjo Shelvey at £6m, came accompanied by waves of supporter moaning on the message boards, though such snap judgments on a 21-year-old with an England cap looked a little daft last night.
'He is adapting very quickly,' Laudrup added. 'We have a lot of competition in midfield but playing like that it will be difficult to keep him out of the team.'
Ahead: Spanish striker Michu celebrates after giving Swansea the lead with a cool finish
On hand: Bony scored a powerful header to doubles Swansea's lea in the second-half
In short, Shelvey was excellent, his partnership with Leon Britton a delightful relationship of short passing and composure.
Yet it took 27 minutes for Swansea to create a chance, Shelvey dragging a shot wide, and another three before Nathan Dyer shot too close to Johan Dahlin after a cute touch controlled Ashley Williams's punt.
Until that point, Michu had been quiet. The Spaniard is not expected to be the scoring force of this new-look side, the acquisition of Bony allowing him to take the deeper role he favours, but his finish was sharp when good fortune came his way in the 36th minute.
Scouting report: Manchester United manager David Moyes was in the stands - they face Swansea in their first Premier League game of the new season
Big lead: Alejandro Pozuelo rounded off the victory by scoring the Swans fourth
Wayne Routledge had played a weak ball through the middle, but a slip by Filip Helander left Michu clean through and he buried the chance via the far post.
Bony made it 2-0 with a header after 55 minutes, a suitable outcome to Routledge's sublime cross, and got his second three minutes later when Michu's curling shot came back off the far post and into his path three yards out.
'Every time anyone mentions him they mention his price,' Laudrup said. 'Strikers need goals and he got two. I am very happy.' Pozuelo's fourth, a sweet volley, made him even happier, .
Good start: Michael Laudrup looks on with his side giving him some optimism for the coming season
Midfield: New signing Jonjo Shelvey played his first competitive game for Swansea since moving from Liverpool
Class: Michu takes the ball past Malmo's Simon Strathern in the first-half
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On the 67-yard punt return for a touchdown by Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown late in the first quarter of the Sunday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals, rookie linebacker Terence Garvin absolutely destroyed punter Kevin Huber as he was closing in on a tackle attempt. Huber fractured his jaw on the play and did not return. After the game, Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin was asked if he thought the hit fell under the "Hines Ward" rule.
"I did not see it," said Tomlin. "Obviously, it did not because I'm sure the guy that hit him was facing the end zone to which we working. That other rule does not apply to those circumstances."
In March of 2009, the league passed a blocking rule that makes it illegal to blindside block if it comes from the blocker's helmet, forearm or shoulder and lands to the head or neck area of the defender as a result of the block made by Hines Ward during the 2008 season that broke the jaw of then-Bengals rookie linebacker Keith Rivers.
Garvin was squared up with Huber when he blocked him, so it's not like he blindsided him. However, being as his helmet initially made contact with Huber right under at the neck and jaw area, you can bet that Garvin will more than likely be fined this coming week.
Had Garvin lowered his target area, Garvin would more than likely be in the clear. We shall see what the league has to say about this.
I'm not big on all of these fines in the NFL. Having said that, the rules are the rules but these things are going to happen. It is not always possible to avoid this kind of contact when you're going full out and trying to play football the way it has always been played…hard nosed. I prefer to see the Steelers play their brand of smash mouth football that they have always been noted for. It intimidates teams when they know that they are going to take a physical beating when they play you. The Steelers gave the Bengals a good beating on the field from a physical standpoint. Hopefully, the Bengals will be a little gun shy against the Steelers in the future because of it. I say…great hit. That must have really hurt !
OUCH! Fine or no fine that had to hurt!
Broken jaw. I'm not a fan of all the fining either. Had to argue with a few guys who said he blindsided him. Their bodies were squared up, someone didn't have his head on a swivel and got locked in on his target.
i thought it was a good clean hit but hes a steeler laying down the law so we know how nfl loves the steelers ….maybe next time he should carry a warning sign saying i am going to block you because its how blocking and tackleing football works in nfl and in small print warning this is the nfl new guide lines for steelers only please only use one finger and salute the player as he goes by
Welcome to the NPL, the National P***y League. Where no hit is legal, and is rated by how much you end up getting fined.
Fine or no fine…..thanks for the spectacular .gif Terence Garvin and Dave Bryan! I'm sure I'll be emailing a link to this article around the office today!
Garvin had the ability to target lower. I loved the hit, but he should be fined. These new guys getting into the lineup are sure giving some of their game money back (i.e., Wallace last week).
There will be a big fine on this one.
it was picture perfect form … fining him for that is beyond nit picky …. total BS, we have to give these guys some leeway … the game is not played in slow motion … these types of fines are counter productive for the NFL … part of what made the NFL great and the sport it is, are bone crunching hits such as these .. I would go so far as to say they are more popular than TDs and points … the more you fine these types of hits the more you hinder the progress of the NFL as not only a sport but a Business !
It was perfect form before rule changes. You have to play within the rules, as stupid as they might be. You're not going to change the rules by violating them and then complaining about the fines. In fact, I don't think these rules are ever going to go back to where we were. The league has shelled out too much money in lawsuits over concussions, etc.
Great hit, fine or no fine.. keep your head on a swivel Mr. Huber
No penalty … should be no fine … I think the pendulum has swung a little too far in the fine and rules direction and will eventually have to swing back the other way … its a money league and once they go too far and see that it affects the bottom line it will swing back … can u tell me what is exactly illegal about the hit ??? Im not up to date on the helmet to helmet rule with all the specifics and if it pertains to this hit
Helmet contact to the head. I was amazed it wasn't flagged, but in real time it looked like a hit to the chest. Only when slowed down did you see the helmet impact the chin.
Shouldn't be a fine.
It was a great hit, but too high in this era, he will be fined…when someone's head gets jarred like that, expect a call from the commish office.
I was rollling when the commentators (Troy and Al) were referring to him as "Dr. Wallace".
It was a cowardly hit to a man half his size. He clearly put his helmet into Hubers chin. Which, outside the field would be assault charges. There is nothing impressive about risking a persons life to make the highlight reel. What really puts the nfl at risk as a business is when someone breaks their neck and dies from a cheap shot like this. Will the Steelers high class fans be celebrating great hits then? Probably
I am pretty sure all helmet to helmet contact is not illegal, really depends on the situation … that is what i was asking … so what is the situation here that makes helmet to helmet illegal ?
I started screaming at my TV again when they were discussing the sideline reporters report and they said Garvin blindsided him. I mean what are some of these people smoking? He hit the guy square in the chest!
His helmet didn't make initial contact. His forearms did. And he did lower himself as he went for the hit. Last time I checked, football was a contact sport. If Garvin gets fined for this, it's wrong. He was throwing a block on a guy who was trying to make a tackle on Brown. That potential tackler just happened to be the punter.
Vicious cheap shot. This should be a six-figure fine. The contact was directly to the chin, let alone the wishful analysis that the guy was squared up to the play. There should be a suspension involved a and it should include Tomlin and his classless act. There'll be a number of other fines come down on the Steelers for bad hits in this game.
Well Said
You obviously have never played the sport … go away !
Well, it is good you are asking the questions. In researching language of the rules for helmet-to-helmet and also for "defenseless players", I don't find language that this hit is a violation. Clearly, Huber wasn't defenseless – he was fair game as he was attempting to make a tackle. Second, the impact was not to the forehead or crown of the helmet. In fact, the rule specifies that "incidental" impact to the chin or facemask is specifically not covered. So I may have to retract my statement that it deserves a fine. Dan (below) you need to chill. It was not a cheap shot.
Well said. But I think he will get fined. It's not right, but the unwritten rule is if such a powerful play was needed to block him. And with only one person having the final say, I see him getting a nastygram from rodger.
Perhaps you need to look again here pic.twitter.com/dL138DVsyv
This league is becoming too "fine" happy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this hit. In fact, it's actually great form and technique. It's unfortunate that Huber had his jaw broken because of it, but he shouldn't be fined just because the result ended in an injury to the opposing player.
You should really go back to the Bengals boards lol
ya will be interesting to see what happens, I wouldn't be surprised that he gets fined as there is an apparent bias against the Steelers when it comes to these fines, but from what you posted, it seems this is incidental helmet contact .. I will be looking forward to the announcement and explanation by the NFL, thanks for the info !
You mad, bro? Are you mad that its second times in. Past few years it happened? Are you furious with the fact that when the Steelers were playing dead and let the opponent beating us down, we identify ourselves as "being Bungles"? Just… vent it out toward somebody else here, this is asking for Steelers fans to making fun of you.
Huber was considered defenseless because he is a punter…. period. Secondly, the hit was made by leading with the crown of the helmet, which can't be done no matter who the target is. Garvin violated 2 rules. Normally, the refs flag a hit like this, and often, I feel it's unnecessary, but a flag should have been thrown here. Garving could have hit him lower. The hit seemed to be targeting the head.
Aricle 8 (g) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/"hairline" parts) or
facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.
Article 8 (j) if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/"hairline" parts) to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent's body.
Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: (6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
Well, you are correct about defenseless. Page 68 of official rules states that a kicker/punter is defenseless throughout the entirety of the play (this is a stupid rule, but it is what it is). I'm still not convinced that the contact is covered by 8(g) above. Look at it carefully. Garvin lowered his shoulder and made initial contact with shoulder. Helmet contact was incidental. Neither did he "launch" himself at the player.
We live in a wussified society due to arguments like this. Spitting on someone while you are talking loudly in their face can be assault out on the street. There are inherent risks to playing the game. 92 said it before the game. If you are a fireman or policeman, you understand the risk and choose to man the duty. The NFL has rules on who is allowed to be on the field. Size is irrelevant because that would be discrimination in our society. If you go to college for two years, and a team wants you on the field, you are fair game if you sign the contract.
And to be honest, taking jabs at us as a fanbase is ridiculous. We won 4 superbowls beating people to a pulp. How can you blame us for wanting more of the same? They slowed us down for the last two.
I understand that you may not be entertained by such a sport, but there are others. I don't post in mens figure skating forums because I am not entertained by it.
Well, that pic changed my mind. We should be discussing how high his fine will be.
I would have agreed with you 10 minutes ago, but I looked at teh SD twitter account. He hit him high enough.
Goddell is not marketing the product to fans like you and me. And his target audience does not want to see a guy looking like jack ham. LOL
Head shot, broken jaw.
Nothing picture perfect about it. He broke the rules, he should have gotten a bigger punishment.
Steelers fans: "It's OK when we do it!"
Please tell me why this was a cheap shot. Huber was stalking the ball carrier and was eligible to be blocked. The fact that his chin got clobbered is unfortunate, and that will draw a fine, but it was not a cheap shot.
Danny, you are clearly wrong on both points … he didnt lead with his helmet or crown … not even close, please take a better look … and he didnt launch himself .. but unfortunately if that is the rule regarding punters being defenseless throughout the play he is in violation, but I agree it is a stupid rule and i'm sure it has not been heavily enforced … i dont know how they can consider a person in position to make a tackle defenseless … mehhh
thank you for a well thought out response … i didnt want to waste my time …
I'm no Bengals fan, but this is exactly the type of hit (a hit that could cause permanent damage or death to another player) that the league is trying to prevent. It was a head first tackle to the head region of another player and thank God the punter is probably only out for the season. There is a legit argument on whether a punter should ever get hit that hard, but that was planned helmet to helmet hit with no attempt to avoid it from happening. While the result was pretty devastating, potentially it could have been tragic.
Dave, regardless of the pic … he didnt lead with his head, it might or might not have made initial contact .. cant tell at what point the pic is during the GIF, as he went upwards after initial contact .. etiher way it is clear he made contact with the helmet, should it be a fine … i still dont think so, and i would venture to say that the vast majority of NFL players dont think so either … so exactly is in favor of this … seems to me like a single person named Roger …
Ironic how he and the NFL state they are doing this for the benefits of the players, when the players themselves and the majority of the fans dont want it !!! it is all just a sad microcosm of what are society has become … players know what they sign on for, that stated I am all for better medical benefits for retired players !
I am not sure he will be out all season. He will not be asked to tackle that's for sure. But he has a good enough leg to maybe jsut keep him for that. Kieth Rivers situation was different because of his position.
I don't agree that punters should be excluded from hitting. Just like anyone else on the field, if you just put your butt on the ground, nobody is going to touch you.
Garvin didn't hit the punter any harder than he would hit a tightend. The punter was not well coached or smart enough to realize the situation. The corporation I work for coaches us to "always be in code yellow alert". I have no idea what the hell they are talking about, but it's something along the lines of keep your head on a swivel.
I think anyone that discusses this play, and doesn't say that the punter is somewhat at fault as well for not keeping his head on a swivel is wrong. Be assured that his coaches will tell him. This play happens every special teams play, what keeps it from looking so devastating is that LBs, TEs and other positions that play special teams understand to keep their head on a swivel, and engage blockers, rather than look like the ball boy trying to get off the field during a play.
If a punter or kicker wants to stick their nose in the play this is what will happen.
He's out for the season. No doctor is going to let a man with a seriously broken jaw on the field to possibly get another hit to the same area. I'm not arguing the force of the hit – that's another discussion. I'm arguing that he made the choice to lead with his helmet and go high to Huber's head, his chin to be exact. The type of hit the league is trying to avoid. It also bothers me that so-called fans don't really like to see a good block or a good tackle, but they like to see opposing players get really hurt. They're not true football fans, they're just sadists.
"There'll be a number of other fines come down on the Steelers for bad hits in this game."
The really funny thing about that is, no, there absolutely won't be any other fines.
If a punter is going to try to make a tackle, he should know the risks and shouldn't have any extra protection from the league. I thought it was a good no call. The guy has no awareness of where blockers are coming from, and no one should expect him to, he's paid to kick the ball. But if you don't want your jaw broken, don't bite off more than you can chew…..
Ok that last one was bad 😉
You may be right about him being out, depends on the severity I would say.
I do enjoy perfect tackling. I actually watched the carolina game yesterday, and Luke Keykley (sp?) made a tackle like I haven't seen in a long time. I pointed it out, and replayed it ten times with a friend of mine and showed his kid who will play football one day. It was a work of art, i hope that more people saw it.
But I absolutely love bone jarring hits. For two reasons: they produce more turnovers than perfect tackling, and it also is an easier way to infuse emotion into your defense. This does not make me a sadist. What would make me a sadist is wishing injury on someone and liking that they are injured.
I admit, I'm not up on all of the rules of todays NFL, but how in the world is that hit high as you state? He hits this guy straight in the upper chest. His body naturally elevates upwards due to him driving his legs through the hit, just like your supposed to.
Is it coming to the point where the numbers on the jersey are your only hitting targets or you face a penalty or a fine? My two cents are that was a perfectly executed display of how to tackle. Again, nobody likes seeing anyone get hurt, but I don't think Huber not being aware of his surroundings is the fault of Garvin.
I think that he will get fined because we are talking about the NFL here. I thought it was a good block, he certainly didn't blindside the guy and he would have made the tackle. Maybe Garvin should have hit him low, tore out his knees so that he could never punt again. Would that have been better NFL?? At least they cannot get sued for a knee…
u have a right to ur opinion, but it is way off base !
Please look again … he did not lead with his helmet … stop saying that … are u blind !
You are lost, go watch baseball …
Borderline play although I don't like the leading with crown of helmet. Punters also not usually very tall. At game speed, hard to make adjustment, although the league will say you do. Also, look at Huber's helmet. He doesn't wear a "concussion resistant" type you can see on the other players in the pic. Kickers don't have a full facemask. They wear the "old school" type. That's asking for trouble.
1. More fumbles are caused by slapping at the ball.
2. Huber was not a ball carrier.
3. Probably winning enough games to get into the playoffs would infuse the emotion better.
4. If you enjoy seeing someone else getting hurt, yes, you probably are a sadist.
All these internet tough guys…If it was Ben who got hit like that, they'd be screaming bloody murder, gtfoh.
I don't know what play you are talking about? In the one where Huber, the punter for the Bengals is blocked and has to leave the game, the first part of Garvin's body that hits Huber is the top of Garvin's helmet to Huber's chin, and then Garvin's arms push Huber to the ground. Please explain how you see this differently?
1. slapping at the ball is not "good" tackling….see Deangelo Hall….LOL This may work in basketball.
2. Your brought up "good tackle or block"
3. Gotta win battles before you can win a war…(this is a simile, I am not going kellen winslow on you)
4. Please read hte last sentence of my post. Please..
I don't understand the rules either. Why should this be any different from a linebacker meeting a full back?
you are probably right. I do look at this game through black and gold glasses.
Do you place any of that blame on the punter?
If he would have hit him in the numbers, but even harder, does your view of the play change?
Not a big fan on fines either, but this was clearly a cheap shot. What a thug. He comes in to block helmet first. Cheap shot. These are the hits they need to be calling not the bogus line plays they call against the patriots. Wish the penalty was more severe, fine isn't enough.
Are you looking at same play I am? First contact is from shoulders and arms. Helmet is not used as a "weapon." He even crouches over a bit to try to get lower. You are delusional if you think Steelers get breaks from the officials. I don't remember last time another team was called for roughing Roethlisberger, although he routinely gets the crap beat out of him (but not lately, thank you).
Yeah, a good clean hit to his jaw from his helmet. If Garvin had shot him with a gun people here would be saying it was a good clean play.
No, he made initial contact with the helmet.
Don't believe your lying eyes. The pic is not at imact. Impact was shoulder and arms. As you can see, there is already body separation here. Helmet impact was secondary to shoulder hit. Won't matter to NFL, though. They'll issue the fine.
Yes, he certainly did. Jeez, can't any of you watch a replay?
Can't argue it, obviously.
NFL is doing this for themselves, not the players or former players. They have paid out too many bucks in class actions and they want to insulate themselves legally.
"His helmet didn't make initial contact. His forearms did."
No, they didn't.
Picture is not at impact. It is micro-seconds after impact.
LOL! "ignore the video frame, I say he didn't lead with his head!" Wow, Steeler fans can't admit the truth even when it's right in front of their faces.
The most that I'll give you is that it is simultaneous with shoulders. And Garvin has a slight turn of the head as well.
the rule is contact, not impact to the head. I don't understand your argument.
One thing we agree on, he is paying.
No, it's right before impact. None of you even know what you're looking at.
Hah! Another homer who can't admit what the still frame clearly shows.
Fuck you! I hope you get hit by a truck and get a taste of it.
Classless pieces of shit from top to bottom.
Delusional? Jesus Christ you're the poster child of delusional. This cock sucker should be banned for life.
I don't care what you'll give me, video and stills clearly show it was helmet first.
Bullshit you blind bastard. Go back to the hood "bro".
You are one blind mother fucker.
Goodbye Bengal troll. I expect you'll be gone momentarily.
"But I absolutely love bone jarring hits." To deny that these types of hits inflict physical damage and pain is naive. This is why the ball is fumbled. Look, I'm a Cleveland fan. I grew up watching Jim Brown become Superman on the football field. To me, I think he is still the best player I've ever seen play pro football – I love the game – I'm no Cincy fan. I see Jim Brown now with a cane and barely able to walk and say to myself, "Well, that's the living he chose and he knew what he was getting into." I'm probably right, but I still feel for him. Now, we have recently, just recently found out out that repeated hits to the head can and often cause severe brain trauma later in life (often before middle age). I feel if you really love the game and want to see great athletes playing a very complex and demanding game with many nuances and intricate strategies, that the type of hit Huber took diminishes the game to blood sport. I also realize that many fans, especially Steeler fans loved this hit and that it somehow made their team better than what they actually are. (Don't get me wrong – had the same thing happened, but instead to the Pittsburgh punter, the Bengals fans would react the same way). Had Huber been hit a foot or so lower, he still would have gone down and taken out of the play, but that he was helped off with a bloody rag in his mouth with God knows how many broken teeth and a broken jaw, makes it just so much more enjoyable for these fans that they can somehow look at the hit and can say that no, it wasn't a helmet leading hit or that they like and agree with how everything happened and went down. So many fans want this to be a blood sport and I just think it takes away from the beauty of the sport. One time Jim Brown played the Giants in New York and had such a great game that the NY fans gave him a standing ovation when they pulled him out at the end of the game. Can you see that happening today – I can't.
You look you've been hit by an ugly stick and have suffered brain damage. I suspect you'll be banned shortly. Enjoy your moment troll. It will be over soon.
How about somewhere in between the knees and the chin?
Yes it does, because the numbers are clean.
Get to work on that sissy boy. Only cowards hide behind fake profiles. Real powerful there fancy.
thats what im thinking
ur lost as well … he leads with his shoulders and no sh**t his head is in front of his shoulders … genius tell me how exactly can he hit the guy the way he is going without his head in front of his shoulders, its physically impossible he would have to hit lower… u make no sense … !!!
Take a closer good look and tell me how he can lead with his shoulders without his head making contact first … the only way it is physical possible is if his head is to the side, so stop spouting off when you don't know what you are talking about !
Get lost punk.
i would say the same thing … damn good hit !
I always wondered what it looked like when one got hit by a stupid stick. Good comeback fancy boy. Don't you have some shoes to shine boy?
please focus on the shoulders ONLY … and watch how they are the focul point … he leads with them, u actually can clearly see in the GIF how he dips/squats somewhat right before impact and then thrusts upwards with his hips through the tackle … he is clearly leading with his shoulders his head just happens to be in front of his shoulders … if he was leading with his head, his eyes would be pointing down (the usual spearing we see) but he is not … if u look at it from this perspective you might understand what I am saying.
you are either blind or do not comprehend football … if he led with his helmet the shoulders would not have made impact as they did … but as it was a bam/bam play PROVES that he led with his shoulders … think about it … ur head is a full foot above ur shoulders so how can the shoulders hit nearly at the same time if he led with his head … Geeez … its not really that hard to figure it out !
No room for this idiot in this forum.
No room for the truth "bro"
Please refrain from posting prior to finishing your middle school spelling class.
Brah, stop. Your man crush will have his grill fixed by the end of the year. Don't worry.
No room for the truth "bro"
Uh oh. The gaydar just went off – you better Hop Along to your butt plug appointment.
I think that the league has marketed teh product to a fanbase that doesn't know more than 10 players names on their home team. To expect such a fan to stand up and clap for an opposing player is unrealistic. They do not want to grow the purist fanbase, they are targeting london and so on. The days where it was a father taking a son to a game are long gone, and have given way to corporations giving tickets out to boost sales.
I have a very cynical view of this.
But to come to a forum such as this one and try to call out purists as sadists was probably the wrong approach. I do get what you are saying, but i think you just chose the wrong crowd. You are almost equating this to nascar crashes, no? People go to Nascar races to see crashes…at least thats what i heard.
And you should get to your hair plug appointment. lmao
Haha are you kidding me? Even if you take away the fact that punters are considered defenseless players, he lead with his helmet into the neck/head. It was a vicious hit on a 180 pound punter and he jumped around like a fucking goon after he did it. Classless play by a classless player.
Maybe you just prefer less adrenaline infused sports. If you have never ran around a football field it's hard to explain the need to celebrate. What would make it classless is if he did it intentionally to hurt him. This maybe where our view of the play splits.
I did hear that all punters and kickers are defenseless players on teh podcast, but does this mean they are untouchable? I don't get it, they should have to sit on the ground as soon as they punt then so they can't prohibit offense from advancing.
I believe he made contact with his hea, once i saw teh picture. Did you miss that?
How could Tomlin not see it ? It was plain as day right there on the Jumbo Tron that he was watching, like he does with every other punt return.
You are a freaking joke. You actually celebrate opposing players getting broken bones. I bet you'd push your mother down the stairs for a buck.
Another good one from the resident village idiot. No, your sister enjoys the feel of her thighs sliding over my shaved head.
Sometimes peoples mental limits don't allow them to fully wrap their mind around some concepts. It's ok, you were just born this way, it's genetic. Your parents passed these limits onto you.
Well it does appear that the punter was about to make an attempt to be the tackler on this play. No?
Looks like face first… most of contact was initiated with he facemask not crown of the helmut
Listen, we understand he was important to your team. This was a grave loss to a team that had potential prior to Atkins going down. We understand that a lot of your losses (carson palmer, keith rivers…) were at the black and gold hands, but none of them were intentional. I hate to see people hurt, and i understand your animosity. Your team was not ready to play last night. They came out flat, and this hit shoudl have fueled them. And it didn't. Besides losing ginger or AJ, this was probably the other player you couldnt afford to lose as you hope to make noise in the post season……….again.
Must say the Bengals Bungled this game away. Also why they didn't throw deep passes …. got me. Should have done it in the first 4 plays instead of running the same play Pryor did against the steelers during the first possession.
He deliberately lowers his head on first contact. Its a linebacker attempting to make a block. There is no need to be making career ending plays like that in the NFL. Players like him should use some brain power and consider the proper ways to perform a block in accordance with NFL rules and regulations. This is a disgrace to the game and now some guy may be out of a job. This hit was way over the top, all he had to do is go hands first and push him away from the career. I have lost respect for this player.
Do you place any of the blame of the outcome of the play on Huebert for not being aware of his surroundings?
We saw what happened to our safety when cutler was coming towards him, and he made a conscious decision to to clobber him, cutler simply put his shoulder down and tried to run them him over.
Can't have yoru cake and eat it at the same time.
And now he claims to be proud of the hit? Being proud is taking someone out of the play cleanly. Not the after affects of the play and the injuries the player attained because of it. What a disgrace to the game.
Huebert attempted to make a play on the ball like anyone would. Gavrvin threw the cheap block he is to blame. No argument their. Like I said hands up and push him out of the play he had at least 7 yards to act on the play. No respect for unintelligent plays.
I am just to sure how you coach something like this. You tell your players to hit as hard and powerful as they can. Then you put stipulations on it…if he is 180 pounds or more, has purple hair, he is looking at you, his shoes are tied, and has a tattoo on his left leg.
Special teams plays are chaos. Tehre is no way to coach this. The QB is protected but the environment is somewhat controlled compared to a special teams play.
Well, goodnight young man. Hopefully the santa on yoru shoulder brings you a better attitude for next year. A little less homophobic, angry and delusional one. Or all of that could be done by giving you a little more confidence through a girlfriend.
Its not about coaching it. Players need to use their heads when they make a play ( no pun intended). In that situation Gavrin should have known the proper way to take a punter…. a punter out of the play. Once again the play was excessive and a sign of pure aggression without reason.
Bad argument, hits like this have lead to criminal punishment in the NHL.
I couldn't agree more. And that absolute worst place to spear someone is high right at their face mask. This was a very unintelligent block by a young linebacker, that should be taken out of the line up.
I think we need more angles. Because the picture you posted on twitter isn't enough.
I took the animated gif that you posted above, and advanced frame by frame. Huber doesn't react until the Garvin's shoulder has hit him in the chest. It *might* be that the helmet contact was simultaneous with the shoulder-arm hit, but it wasn't "leading".
It was not after impact.
In the animated gif, the next frame after the Twitter picture shows Garvin's shoulder making contact with Huber's chest. Huber is still in his normal running posture.
The frame after that, you can tell there was impact. (Huber's legs are still going forward, but his upper body has stopped.) But not before.
His head won't swivel now that they diagnosed him with a broken vertebrae.
How many games did "you" play in during those championships? You are a fan, not a player – you didn't win anything. You supported a team.
This was not a cheap hit. Garvin (6'3″, 220) dropped his body reasonably low to square up chest to chest with a Huber–nearly the same size at 6'1″, 210. Watch the film. His helmet went to Huber's left, and any contact with his helmet or forearm was incidental. Huber was in position to tackle Brown or at least slow him down enough to allow other Bengals to run him down. Huber, God bless him, had tunnel vision, totally focused on Brown, visions of a TD-saving tackle dancing his head. And then Garvin made a textbook, legal, open field block. It was a big hit because Huber wasn't paying attention, and he may have broken his jaw because he might not have been wearing a mouthpiece. Once the ball is away, the punter can be blocked, just like the other ten guys. You are not required, and it is not a preferred blocking technique, to use your hands to shove a guy sprinting at you, dead-set on hitting one of your teammates so hard that the ball might get knocked loose. Garvin made a legal block critical to the subsequent touchdown.
Perhaps NFL franchisees should tell the NFL head office to back off, and instead take responsibility (and a little bit of financial risk through injury of expensive players) by requiring their punters, kickers, and passers to run periodic tackling drills where they have to competently shed a blocker before they get a shot at the ball carrier–you know, coach them and make them practice football.
Maybe Garvin will have a fine unfairly levied against him. But imagine if he had missed the tackle because he was playing at half-speed. He, his teammates and his coaches would have watched the missed block over and over again, dissected it, talked about it, and that missed block might very well impact future salary negotiations. It could also impact his reputation and value among other teams in the league if and when he becomes a free agent.
If Huber had gotten a big hit and broken Brown's jaw and a vertebrae, he'd be featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated as the "Little Punter that Could."
It's football, guys. It's a hard game.
Wasn't replying to you.
That or I actually watched the video. The shoulders didn't make much impact at all.
"ur head is a full foot above ur shoulders so how can the shoulders hit nearly at the same time"
They didn't! The helmet hit and the punter snapped back. The arms also made contact, shoulders hardly at all. It's all there in the video.
Quit playing dirty and you won't have to be paranoid about any bias against the Steelers.
"he leads with his shoulders and no sh**t his head is in front of his shoulders"
Way to contradict yourself!
Boom bitch. You got knocked the fuck out.
Textbook block. No launching, no spearing. Squared up and drilled him. Huber needs to be aware of his surroundings.
well I guess we have to respectfully agree to disagree … i dont see it that way, … the more I look at it the more it looks like a teaching video of how to hit … it especially reminds me of lineman hitting the sleds !!
"Take a closer good look and tell me how he can lead with his shoulders without his head making contact first"
Using this logic I could argue that he led with his ankles. No *** his torso is in front of his ankles! LOL!!
It doesn't matter how you see it, the video proves me right and you wrong. If I told you the sun rises in the east you could sit there and say "we'll have to agree to disagree", but that doesn't make you any less wrong.
yes sir !
No, it's clearly leading. Deny all you want, just makes you look more like a homer.
The only thing classless was your post and they are nearly the same size .. you sir are ignorant and it shows
You think the Steelers play dirty … now u have lost all credibility … get lost
Nah, he led with his ankles according to Drake here! LOL!
Ah, so if you want to believe he didn't lead with his helmet, just don't look at it! You get better with each post.
the video doesnt prove anything you say … all it proves is the helmet made contact … u are a fool sir for thinking he led with the helmet and I will take that as you have never played the sport in any meaningful organized way
Sure I have. Even the coach plays dirty, as was proven last week. And the rule preventing cheap shots like this is even named after a Steeler! Your homer glasses are absolutely welded on, aren't they.
im done discussing this with you .. you obviously dont know much about football !
Nope, crown right under the chin. Keep denying that video, homers…
go troll somewhere else …
get lost troll
Not a fan of either team – but in slow motion from the video above, it looks like the Steeler launches himself at the punter and initiates helmet-to-helmet contact. Probably should have gone in lower and not led with helmet. Vicious hit!
Yes, I do have some shoes that need shined. Are you looking for that job ? My last shoe-shine boy moved to the Cincinnati, Ohio area to move-in with his boyfriend…. a fat little bald guy named Roger. I can't quite remember the last name. It rhymed with barter or tartar is all I can recall at this point. Oh well, it doesn't matter. Let me know if you want the job.
Good one Beavis. Heh heh, heh heh! Wow, you're just the class ass clown aren't you? Just continue flapping your lips as you hide behind a keyboard. It's amazing how brave you lttle girls get when you can hide out.
You are the one who is blind my friend. I suppose you are going to try to say he hit him in the back…no wait, from the side! How in the world can you justify calling that a blindside block?
I'm calling that a dirty, scum-sucking, unnecessary, head-hunting illegal hit. You can try to mince words all you want my friend. That was ridiculous and should have resulted in an immediate ejection, followed by the loss of his drug money well into next season.
I tried to respond, but the moderator had already deleted your foul language. Maybe some anger management would help keep your posts from disappearing
You had a dumb a-s punter looking to make a tackle and not knowing what was going on around him, how do you not see a blocker coming at you when approaches from directly in front of you. And for all you ladies out there, the helmet never touched his head.
there is no way Goddell will miss a chance to fine a Steeler, Antonio Brown should help him pay it though, if Garvin doesn't make that block there is no TD
You want to know why? It is called common sense. Garven had plenty of time to line up his hit and he chose to not only block him, but to launch himself head first into Huber's chin and deliver maximum pain with it. I can't imagine that the thought even crossed his mind that with this coming hit, he could possibly end Huber's season or even career, but oh well. As you can see from the instant backlash, that kind of punitive and short-sighted decision making on the field is going to hurt the game just a little more. Just watch. He needs to be made an example of.
So are you saying that it is worth potentially ending a guy's career and putting him permanently in a chair so your team can score a TD? Who tunes in to see their team score like that? C'mon, how many times have you seen punters just fling their bodies in a vane attempt to stop a run? The only think Huber was going to be able to do was to change the direction of the run, nothing more.
There are 17 Bengals fans in the world? Wow, I learned something today….
The Squealers are so pathetic when their team sucks and they have no shot at the playoffs. They take it out on punters, women and children which proves that they are not men. They will be watching the Bengals host a playoff game in about a month. Enjoy the draft losers.
major powerful leveraged blow to the chest…
on anybody else, wow what a crusher blow…on a punter, i can understand the leagues asinged overkill and need for a fine, but was he not an eligible defender to block?
this is a perfect case to defend defenders…visually he perfectly leveraged a chest crushing block…is it his fault that his head is attached to his neck and sholders and thus will contact the opponent?
yeah, his helmet touched him, but he in no way lead and hit with the intention of the helmet…
this is a perfect hit…F the NFL…
well garvin …if your finded you can say one of the greatest steelers caused that rule to be so maybe that go down better when writeing that check …as mel blounts rule also was a nfl rule changer ….i long for the good old days when nfl ment football in those 3 letters now it just means the finger word to the people who play the game the way it was invented to play
a gun ? ….we talking football vs nfl goodel touch football why would you bring gun into it ….people who play sandlot football play real football compared to how and where nfl is going …he saw a play where he thought he could get a good legal shot on a guy and he took it ..will he get fined for playing real football yeah he prob will will he regret it i dont know one way or the other ….i wonder if you commented same way when the other week when bells helmet was knocked off ..
Wow I see theres alot of butthurt Bungles fans here
Must Suck to be you right now huh
What a thug? haha you sound like a corny corn ball. Thug ahaha
Than watch soccer
Funny to see all the Steelers fans sticking up for this play. I guess the fans and team really do mirror each other. Nothing but thugs and criminals. Stay classy.
Once again, punters are considered defenseless players. That is in the Rules and Regulations of the NFL. He had Ample time to hold up and make a clean block. If punters are under the impression that this rule protects them they are not expecting to catch a helmet under their jaw. This rule was addressed last year. No doubt an illegal hit. Saying that the Steelers play physical is fine, but using this as an example really points to them being dirty.
"the video doesnt prove anything you say … all it proves is the helmet made contact"
Well way to prove me wrong, LOL!
No, his helmet did. Video and screen caps all over the internet prove it. Stiller fans are in denial.
I know much about videos though!
Ah, so he doesn't have a broken jaw! Thanks for straightening us out.
Give it a week and Stiller fans will be saying he never touched Huber at all.
To prove how far Stiller fans will go to deny reality.
Can't argue that, I see!
Talk crap, when the Bungles accomplish anything … which will be never … otherwise shut the F*&K up !
AS per CBS Sports 12/16/2013
According to the NFL rules, "It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture," and that includes "A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return." There's more: "Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact of the defender's helmet or facemask is lower than the passer's neck and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him" is prohibited.
This was a brutal cheap shot. The player was defenseless meaning the Stealer could have hit him anywhere he wanted, but he decided to hit with his helmet to the face. He must really feel like a man after a hit like that – Hey, honey did you see what I did to the punter? There's no place for that sort of stuff in football or any other sport
According to the NFL rules, "It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture," and that includes "A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return." There's more: "Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact of the defender's helmet or facemask is lower than the passer's neck and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him" is prohibited.
I remember a STREAKER running on the football field and he ran down the sidelines and James Harrison tackled the guy and he was knocked out. James said if I did what I do on the football field on the streets, I would get thrown in jail.
Alright man, no more rules anything goes in the NFL. Gotta protect the players. Playing in the NFL is a career choice, wake up.
They've accomplished a better record than the Stillers.
Helmet never touched his head, eh? Let's hear what the head of officials had to say about that:
"The hit by a Pittsburgh return team blocker that ended Cincinnati Bengalspunter Kevin Huber's season was an illegal one, Dean Blandino, the NFL's head of officials, said Tuesday night.
The announcement confirmed what many had speculated since watching the violent play unfold in the first quarter of Sunday night's game between the Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers.
"You'll see the close-up where you can see the contact to the head or neck area," Blandino said."
Why do you think it will draw a fine if it wasn't a cheap shot?
No, it isn't from shoulders and arms. How would he get his head behind his shoulders? You don't even make sense.
When you are an undrafted free agent rookie, made the team by a walk-on activity, when you don't get enough PT, you are an undersized linebacker- of course he'd go out there and make of everything. The hit was more of excessive than a cheap shot. He shall be fined and perhaps suspended for Roger Goodell's sake but I love him for what he did for his team; he completed his job as a special team player. Love/hate thing isn't going to work out on here. Either you love football, period or you hate but watch football anyway because all of your masculine friends watch football too.
It is a Gladitor sport, always have.
I just don't like the term applied to this situation. The hit was from the front – not Garvin's fault the guy was oblivious to the fact that he was in the middle of a play. But he'll be fined because of the "defenseless player" rule for punters.
He'll be fined because he had all day to decide where to hit Huber and he chose to spear him in the chin.
What the hell did you just say ? I take it you slept through English. I
think everyone is making fun of you, BRO !!! Proofread your own post
before hitting the (Share) button.
I am cincy fan 100% I agree with you about being defenseless going in to make a tackle. That being said enjoy the off season Steelers..LOL
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