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December 27th, 2009 #1
Team Chow III: Team T&A
Hello hello all... This is where Arish and I (Tava) will put our brainstormings and drawings and such.
When we finally get goin... PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST COMMENTS/CRITS/ETC!!
PS: Liked Arish's version of our avatar better. So here it is! Thx Miss Arish!!
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December 27th, 2009 #2Hello boys and girls! Once again, we saved something special for team chow. This is a liiittle different then what we usually have going on, so please pay close attention!
This month, Team Chow will be attempting to create it's very own Tarot Deck! For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a deck of cards very similar to the usual 4 suited deck, but with 22 extra cards called the 'major arcana'. The four suits are also different : Swords, Cups, Wands, and Pentacles/Coins. In the following post there will be a list of all the cards.
For those of you who don't know much about it, please allow me to send you to a couple of sites to read up on it.
Though often used as a form of divination, we'll be approaching it from a strictly design perspective. Each card is meant to tell a very particular tale (though this tale often depends on the reader) and has many symbols and meanings attached to it. The goal will be to do each card as a character-based (this is still chow) illustration to illuminate the meaning of the card. However, the specific meaning and the symbols will be up to you. We will, however, be following mostly to the Rider-Waite deck, with the exception that we will be using Princess instead of Page.
1. Your team will choose TWO CARDS per person to illustrate. So, a 2 person team needs 4, a 4 person team 8, etc. This is the minimum requirement, you may choose more.
2. You may only take major arcana for half your cards, please choose Lesser Arcana (The Suits) for at least half. Bonus points for those who do mostly Lesser Arcana!
3. You will post your choices in this thread. I will allow 4 teams per card. First come, first serve. If we get all the cards covered by at least four teams each, I will then be open to letting you pick cards that are already full. We want to make sure to get a full deck!
4. Please make sure that your files can be sized down to 9 cm by 15.5 cm (or 3.543 x 6.1 inches) at 300 dpi. I'm exploring the option of seeing if we can get it printed, so please make sure your work is print-quality, or please write "OPT OUT OF PRINT" when you submit your work so I know you're not interested in having your cards printed as part of your deck.
5. PLEASE DO NOT START DRAWING UNTIL JANUARY FIRST! Right now is the time to get everyone's cards assigned and start brainstorming, but please don't start drawing as it's unfair for the other teams.
6. That's it, Have Fun!
Thanks, and Good Luck!
Good luck all!
Last edited by Tavarilyn; December 27th, 2009 at 04:17 AM.___________________________________________
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December 27th, 2009 #3
Ok... research. First, the analytical. From Tarot.com.....
Every numbered card in a Tarot deck partakes of the innate geometry of the number that rules it. One is a whole, so every ace represents pure potential in one of the four elements. Two divides and polarizes, so each two expresses a dichotomy. Three gives polarity a fulcrum to balance upon, mediating extremism and harmonizing each of the elements. Four crystallizes and solidifies, so potentials acquire a framework on which to actualize. Five forces individuation and challenges creativity, eliciting vision and imagination. Six is yin and yang, two threes intertwined, fertile and furthering. Seven strives for the mastery depicted by the spiritual triangle surmounting the material square. Eight is the test of interlaced squares, implying the wheel of the year and the challenge of survival from season to season. Nine is three threes, the "triple ternary," balance of balances, the so-called perfect number. Ten folds the circle of the numbers into a cycle, recapitulating the one at the next higher level. (In Tarot terms, the tens are each transforming into the ace of the next element in the chain of ascent/descent.) In the different elemental worlds, the numbers will appear with different emphases (like the difference between the Five of Swords and the Five of Wands), but the principles of the single digits rule the numbered suit cards of Tarot.
Not going to go into the Major Arcana here, yet, because we've not chosen any. If anyone else is browsing this... http://www.tarot.com/about-tarot/lib...ays/majorcards ... is an excellent historically-based resource!
In the majority of European esoteric Tarots, the suit of Cups refers to the element water. The suit symbol is usually a large drinking cup or communion cup, like the mysterious Grail chalice, occasionally shown pouring forth with holy water or other sacred fluids.
Associations with this cup include the Holy Grail; a fountain of love; the Cornucopia, containing all good things that make us happy; the Krater, stone cup of the Mysteries, containing Soma, psychedelic elixir of mushrooms and cannabis pollen; communion cup of the Catholic Mass; the Pomegranate cup of the Egyptian cult of Isis and the old Hebrew mysteries. It sometimes refers to the Blood Mysteries, symbol of the ultimate sacrifice, whether it's menstrual blood, the blood of a sacrificed animal, or the blood of Christ. There are times when the cup is also used to symbolize sacred sexuality, with its connotations of merging and bliss. In each case the symbolism reflects the heart of life, bonding and nurturing support, deep soul satisfaction, and becoming one with a greater whole.
Commonly, the Suit of Cups rules the psyche or emotional life, dreamtime, the lunar, tidal, monthly cycles of subjective experience. It refers to all aspects of the inner life, from fantasy and imagination to great heights of ecstasy, deep wells of grief, and the immense calm of spiritual security. This the world of feelings, the heart, our close emotional and spiritual ties. It represents all the ways in which people can be touched and moved in our non-verbal, empathetic, sensitive and intuitive natures.
As the imagery implies, the suit of Cups is pregnant with meaning for Western esotericism. This suit has been used to carry the traces of an underground belief held in certain Gnostic Catholic circles in southern Europe about the lineage of a Holy Family founded by Jesus of Nazareth and his wife, Mary Magdalen. According to this belief, Mary of Magdala was taken to Europe along with her child/children after the crucifixion, for their protection during the troubles in Jerusalem. The family settled in southern France, founding a dynasty which eventually rivaled the Roman Church, provoking both the Crusades and the Inquisition as a result of Rome's attempt to eliminate their influence in Europe.
The queen of Cups is therefore regularly portrayed as the Grail Queen (see El Gran Tarot Esoterico), unambiguous icon of the Arthurian legends. If she is being indicated indirectly, she'll become an idealized and dreamy Venus-like figure (see the Medieval Scapini Tarot), occasionally, the Black Madonna, patron saint of many villages on the Iberian Peninsula (the Alexandrian Tarot decks). Sometimes attributes of all three are present, as in a Black Queen with naked breasts who carries the Pomegranite Cup (Ibis Tarot).
These various guises reveal her role as All-Woman, Sacred Virgin, Lover, and Mother, simultaneously a living woman and a reinvention of the ancient Great Mother, still beloved despite any overlay of patriarchal Christian dogma and symbolism. These Tarot decks are the most likely to imply that the cup is full of blood rather than water.
If the cup in the hands of your King of Cups burns, bubbles, smokes, or flames, you are probably looking at a Tarot informed with an alchemical theme. This references a person who is actively cultivating spiritual powers (practices which the Roman church strictly anathematized). In those Tarots, the Page is often shown with his cloak draped over his cup or a lid covering its fullness, and with a downcast demeanor. He's the royal heir, forced to live incognito, banned from his inheritance and his proper role in history. The Knapp-Hall Tarot goes to the length of showing his "lineage tree" broken in half behind him.
There exists a small group of esoteric Tarot decks that use the suit of Cups to symbolize the element air (the realm of the mind) rather than the element water. These are the Spanish-influenced or Iberian Tarots from Spain, Portugal, and the southern coast of France. These Tarots relocate the Holy Grail away from the sentimental and emotional life, focusing it in the philosophical sphere, the realm of the mind. Here the Cup is a symbol of the Soul's consciousness, receptive and open to Divine Inspiration, experiencing communion with higher planes and higher intelligence. It refers to subtle states of medi-tation and contemplation, an active, aware receptivity to the Divine Word.
Such Tarots show symbols of the astrological air signs (Gemini, Libra, Aquarius) built into the designs of the royalty of Cups, and will also show a preponderance of butterflies, birds, insects and flowers adorning the suit of Cups, even sometimes extending over the whole deck. They also have a higher percent-age of female images in the Major Arcana, with especially suggestive and sympathetic imagery associated with the Devil card. These clues imply contact with the most ancient Hebrew mysteries, carrying Gnostic, Alexandrian, and Moorish influence barely hidden beneath the ubiquitous Catholicism imposed from Rome.
Specifically... the Queen of Cups!
The Queen of Cups is usually portrayed as a feminine, sensitive, vulnerable woman who is supremely understanding and offers unconditional love. She is the classic "feeler," sometimes to a fault. Her natural empathy and caring expose her to everyone else's emotions and needs. But she occasionally has difficulty identifying her true self-interest in the midst of her responsiveness to others. So sometimes she appears slightly unfocused or perhaps overwhelmed, filled as she is with emotions or "spirits." She represents the Grail Queen and the Goddess of the Family.
Ok, that's all for now. More to come!
Last edited by Tavarilyn; December 27th, 2009 at 07:16 PM.___________________________________________
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December 27th, 2009 #4
Decided to grab a few Queen of Cups cards from various decks as inspiration. Note: I did not draw these. They are from a variety of popular (and a few esoteric) Tarot decks. I personally own a copy of the Hansson-Roberts tarot (included here as well). I tried to grab cards from decks that used full-body (or at least 3/4) representation on their figures. All of them are vastly different in style but the symbols and interp for each card makes them recognizable regardless of deck.
Last edited by Tavarilyn; December 27th, 2009 at 07:11 PM.___________________________________________
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December 27th, 2009 #5
The suit of Coins, usually symbolized by a solid gold coin, represents first and foremost, your body, health, vigor, and genetic heredity. It can be seen as the capacity to "ground" and relax, attuning to the rhythms of Nature within and without.
Emotionally, the coin symbolizes a feeling of abundance, security, safety and general freedom from threats to survival. When you feel safe, you are free to be creative, not hampered by fear and reactivity. The theme of prosperity is not limited to a financial experience. Even the poorest person can be enriched and increased by the experience of a golden moment, contact with goodness, or beauty.
Coins can also symbolize strengths or gifts, sources of support which provide for you, based on your own efforts or those who came before you. Such gifts can include family money, marketable skills, insider connections, a special cultural heritage, etc. The biblical use of the word "talent" for a monetary unit offers us an interesting play on words. Whether as a coin or as a capability, a talent is a potential, an ability, ready to be spent in actualization of a goal. Those who are willing to invest themselves, their time, money, and labor, deserve the rewards of effort. The coins provide those rewards, as well as supply the means to earn and deserve them. Think of the Coin as the symbol of the "currency" you possess for protecting your sovereignty in this world.
Whether it's intellectual, entrepreneurial, artistic, or any other "property" you command, including the sheer brute energy and strength to outwork those around you, Coins symbolizes the value of your assets. If you can translate that into a way to pay your bills and take care of your family, you have mastered Coins. As the saying goes, "wherever a person's gold is, there is their heart too." The Coin is your values, the things you love, are attracted to and collect around yourself.
In alchemy, the metal gold not only represents a standard of external value in collective culture, but stands as a symbol of purity among the other metals because it is naturally brilliant, warm to look at and feel. At the same time, it remains malleable and easily blended with other metals. Because of these qualities, gold came to be seen as Solar energy cast into substance, showing forth the highest evolution of the element earth and pointing to the inner light which inspires all forms. At its highest manifestation, gold symbolizes the Body of God, the world of matter itself.
Likewise, the Coins are the seeds of all the "things" in this world, all drawn out of the infinite creativity of Nature. The earliest European Tarots show the personalities of the Planetary Gods on the coins of the Tarot, often arranged by their orbital placements around the sun, from the innermost Mercury to the Ring-Pass-Not, Saturn (the other planets were not yet known).
Specifically the Nine of Pentacles...
The Nine of Coins points to a person who is financially secure enough to live in a truly comfortable way, the "lifestyle of the rich and famous." This is about someone supported by her own business, inheritance, or ownership of property. This is one person in ten thousand. This extraordinarily lucky and well endowed individual has turned a historical accident into a personal opportunity and has the vision and strength of character to hold onto his or her gains against all odds. Do not be fooled at the apparent ease displayed on this card‹ the person pictured is at the tail end of a long and stressful process of winning the right to be taken seriously, and all of those graces have been paid for several times over.
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December 28th, 2009 #6
Woot! Looks like we've got all four cards.... and here they are:
Queen of Cups
Nine of Pentacles
The Lovers
Five of Swords
And.... here's the info for the last two:
The Lovers
The Pierpont-Morgan Bergamo tarocchi "Love" card (mid-1400s) shows a handsome young man advancing from the left and a beautiful woman standing to the right, both in medieval clothing reflecting royal status, as if they were reiterations of the Empress and Emperor. They are meeting and shaking hands below an upright, blindfolded Cupid who appears to be ready to drop an arrow onto the man's head. The contemporary Cary-Yale Visconti portrays the same couple but on opposite sides, in a manicured garden under a sumptuous canopy furnished with a bright red couch. A blindfolded cherub flying above is now about to drop the arrow on the woman. This image too was called Love. Kaplan, in Volume 2 of his Encyclopedia, likens these images to "betrothal portraits" popular in Germany and later in Italy. Such portraits typically show the couple linked by Cupid, who carries two arrows but no bow. The arrows are meant "that they might love each other equally" (p. 164). The Charles VI Tarot from 1470-80 calls this Arcanum the Lovers, and shows several couples dancing and romancing; two cherubs are at the ready, bows drawn, to pierce some members of the crowd with their barbs of love. Kaplan, in Volume 1 of his Encyclope-dia, says the Lovers card is represented in the Mantegna Tarocchi (1470) by cards No. 20, Apollo, and No. 43, Venus, suggesting the identities of the royal couple who come together under the auspices of this Arcanum. The Rosenwald Tarot cards from the sixteenth century reveal a man on bended knee before a woman, while above them a blindfolded angel with female breasts and male genitals prepares to shoot the woman in the heart with an arrow of love. Note that this ambivalent gender association shows up a century later as one characteristic of the "new" Devil Arcanum influenced by the reforms of the 1660s. We know this angel is not meant to be a devil figure, however, because the wings are dis-tinctly feathered rather than black and leathery as would be those of a demon. In the mid-1600s we enter a time of mixed influences. This card tends to have a large numbers of variants through the years, giving us numerous subtle changes in interpretation from one pack to another. Several that might be especially interest-ing are mentioned below. But the image that eventually became standard, first on the Marseilles family of Tarots and later on Etteilla and all the French Esoteric cards, was the Two Paths, showing a young man at a fork in the road, standing between two women who represent different possible destinies for him. This image first shows up on the Jacques Vieville and Jean Noblet Tarots, both from the early 1660s in France.
By the early seventeenth century, the anonymous Parisian Tarot shows a very quizzical version of the Lovers. The woman appears on the right, human but with what seems to be gray angel wings that match those of the cherub overhead. Her gaze and hands are focused on his lap. We see him diagonally from behind as he straddles a hassock, looking at her face and embracing her chest. The cherub has an arrow ready to release, pointing at the man. Is he receiving sexual attention from an angel? Is this love or lust? Gioseppe Maria Mitelli's Tarot (1664) does not help us with this question, as he shows only the chubby cupid standing on earth though possessing wings, arrows holstered, wearing a blindfold.
He holds a flaming heart in his left hand. One Tarot from 1750 shows an interesting variation (Tarocco Siciliano cards). This pack presents the Arcana in a different numerical order than usual, so the Lovers image is numbered 8 instead of 6. A woman and a man are in the open landscape, the requisite cherub on a cloud above them. The cherub's bow is drawn, ready to shoot the man. This man is caught in a moment of shock, recoiling at what the woman is presenting. She is holding up another arrow, which has apparently already been released into her. It seems the man is not as receptive and peaceful with the prospect of love as the woman!
Aside from these amusing but inconclusive variations, the primary image for the Lovers goes forward as some variation on the "new" (in the 1660s) Two Paths image. In that formulation, the young man (the Magus?) who is standing at a fork in the road must choose between a modest angel and a primitively dressed nature girl (meant to imply sexual availability). Between them, the two women represent virtue and vice. The cherub is aiming the arrow at the man in the center of the image as if to imply that the responsibility for all consequences of this Choice will be borne by the chooser (meaning the person who draws this card).
The main variant of the Choice card is shown by the Jean Payen, Marseilles, Court de Gebelin, N. Conver and Vandenborre Tarots. All show a marriage ceremony being performed by an older priestess who stands in the same position the "vice" woman would have, to the left of the young man. This produces the same silhouette as The Choice, but the temptress image is replaced by the priestess (or Holy Mother) image.
. This priestess is ceremonially uniting the couple at a crossroads in the manner of a pagan handfasting. The priestess sometimes has her back turned to the viewer of the card, which can make it unclear whether she is older and making a marriage or younger and competing with the bride for the attentions of the young man. Usually the artist will have taken the time to detail a headdress for the extra woman if she is meant to be more than a flirtatious competitor of the bride. In each case, the cherub hovers overhead either targeting the groom or aiming between the bride and groom. Almost never are either of the women made the explicit target of the cherub's arrow. A modern version appears in the F. Gumppenberg Tarot, 1807-1815 (Kaplan's Encyclopedia Volume 2, p. 344). This card shows a beautiful young girl having to choose between a young king and a handsome warrior. The cherub is aiming at the warrior, while the young king is trying to pull her away with him. Even in this case, it is not the girl who is in the sights of the cherub! There must be an implicit lesson showing through in this Arcanum, implying as they all do that in this kind of situation the man (symbolically the ego and the will) is the deciding factor rather than the woman (referencing the heart).
Etteilla returns the Lovers to the church, now presided over by a priest in the nave of his chapel. We have no particular evidence to link Etteilla to the Church, although we can now be sure that he was a Mason and esteemed among his peers. He may be echoing the Adam C. de Hautot Tarot (1740s) or the Sebastian Ioia Tarot (mid- to late 1700s), both of which show the sacred marriage being performed by a man. But it is just as likely that Etteilla picked this version of the Lovers card because it allows him to transplant the Heirophant onto the Lovers Arcanum. In this way he frees up one card to name after himself: No. 1, Etteila (also called "le Consultant" and "Ideal") implying, it seems, that he is the Heirophant of the Tarot. In other Etteilla-style Tarots, this card gets the label Chaos, which in light of the Poimandres theme that Etteilla was following, was referring to the primordial state before creation began.
The Lando Tarot is less specific about which version of the Lovers we are seeing, but in any case it includes the classic "Two Paths" silhouette. Even the Milanese Tarot by F. Gumppenberg (late eighteenth or early nineteenth century), which is the deck the individual members of the Golden Dawn school were instructed to work with before they each created their own personal decks, shows the Two Paths/Marriage formula.
The Waite-Smith Tarot offers a surprising formulation of this Arcanum, depicting a naked Adam and Eve apparently before the events of the "fall." He stands on the right before a tree with ten flaming leaves (representing the Kabbalah Tree) and she on the left before a tree laden with red fruit and where a serpent is climbing into its branches. One can say that Waite is projecting the Bembo-style Royal Couple backward into the primordial myth, and reminding us of our august origins, our original divine natures, before we misused our powers of will. A similar Adamo & Eva card exists from a card game called Labyrinth by Andrea Ghisi (1616), and perhaps that is what Waite is referencing.
In choosing to add these Gnostic and Hebrew implications to the meeting of the Queen and the King, he has superimposed a biblical mythos onto an otherwise pagan Sacred Marriage image. This has not been a bad thing in itselfWaite's Lovers card is one of my favorites in his Tarot. But in so doing he left aside the important lesson of The Choice at the crossroads, the challenge to mature and commit, which has been the dilemma of the young man on the Lovers Arcanum since the 1660s. He also eliminated the Priestess, representing feminine Wisdom, the link to the Sophia bonding force that draws the partners together and binds them over time. The Lovers card in all its glory and variety has referred to the sex/love/commitment/consequences continuum and how to stay balanced within it. This card has been more variable than some because there are so many nuances of opinion about sex and relationship across cultures and centuries. But doubtless this Arcanum is about the issues raised by real human relationships, since the protagonist is shown in the act of making a life-changing choice. One cannot have it all. To partake of a higher ideal requires self discipline. The path of pleasure eventually leads to distraction from spiritual growth. The gratification of the personality eventually gives way to the call from spirit as the soul matures.
The symbol of the sword, dagger, scimitar, or knife represents the world of mind, the realm of thought and ideation where we frame beliefs and values, personally and socially. It points to the rational mind, that faculty which compares, contrasts, balances, and names the processes governing relationships and ex-changes, from economic to romantic.
Parallel associations refer to the element air, indicating awareness, consciousness, clarity and insight. We look for a dispassionate objectivity in this suit to clarify mixed motives and mixed up emotions. This scalpel blade also exhibits the qualities of sharp analysis, verbal precision, the inquiring, critical mind in action.
Sometimes we experience the action of the blade as alienating because it can be surgical, distancing, or emotionally disconnected. At worst case, the Sword energy can exhibit a streak of insensitivity.
Because "Sword" is a cipher for "Truth," this suit-symbol cleaves through denial and obstructionism, revealing the underlying motives and actions that stand behind appearances. This is the reason for an undertone of contention and struggle that runs through this suit: people are not always truthful with themselves, much less with each other!
Translated into the common events of everyday life, the sword represents contracts and legal forms, the laws of the land, the judicial system, verbal agreements, and all of the shared assumptions it takes to make up our collective reality.
This suit is invariably the one used to register the potential for conflict built into every communication, whether it's one-on-one or debate in the Senate. Every conversation brings with it the risk of misunderstanding.
Yet there are still facts to be conveyed and information that needs to be exchanged. We must therefore strive for objectivity, subordinating our personal version of events to the greater truth. You must know there is a price to be paid in this world for attempting to tell the truth, and the two-edged Sword of Truth represents the trade-off. The sword is two-sided because its user shall be liable to the same judgment that he dispenses upon any other.
In the esoteric sense, the Sword represents the Holy Word, the act and art of naming things for what they really are. Spiritual sources from multiple traditions agree that when you find the real name of a force, a thing, a spirit, you have the power to command that thing. The inverse of this concept is that when you assert your fears as if they were realities, they are "empowered" through your breath, speech and/or imagining to come to pass.
Psychologists tell us that our subconscious believes every word that we say and take in! Perhaps this suit is calling us to accountability, reminding us to watch what we say, listen to, repeat, fantasize, or ruminate on in our unguarded moments. Beliefs can too easily limit what we are able to envision and what choices we perceive we have.
In those Tarots where the Swords are given to the water signs, the emphasis is subtly changed to reflect the ways we use our minds, our words, imaginings and beliefs in negative and disturbing ways. The Swords will be shown influencing the currents of the underground river (psychic and soul life), creating turbulence and upsetting emotional harmony. When the card shows the water in a relatively calm aspect, it is because the individual has gotten enough control over distracting and distrustful forces to have neutralized them, or at least put them in perspective. This version of the Swords demon-strates how easily our serenity can be upset when feelings are ruffled, how sharply and defensively we can react when our sensitive egos take offense.
So although the outer appearances in the situations reflected by the Swords cards may appear the same whether the Swords are air or water, the causes, motives and inner processes will be subtly different as you study the card in the spread. The water variation implies that the cause of conflict is rooted in interior psychic and spiritual phenomena; subjective currents are being stirred up as the inner life confronts new revelations from the deep dark unconscious.
This deviation from the standard pattern is one hallmark of the Spanish school of Tarots--El Gran Tarot Esoterico, the Dali Tarot, Balbi, the Euskalherria, and Pumariega are currently available examples of this type of Tarot.
Specifically... the Five of Swords!
The Five of Swords traditionally references the grim and sobering process of cleaning up the battlefield after a rout. The war as a whole has not yet been won or lost, but in this skirmish there were grievous losses. The advice connected with this image admonishes the loser to study carefully what went wrong so that a new strategy can be devised and further setbacks forestalled. There is a need to regroup and rethink the game plan, discover your blind spots, the weak links, and take corrective measures before getting back into the field for another round. In these modern times, when the "battle" is more often being "fought" with words, laws, and contracts instead of weapons, we have even more reason to examine our approach, style, strengths and weaknesses. If we have underdeveloped communication skills or lose our objectivity in tense moments, our ability to reach our goals and dreams will suffer.
Sorry for the long-winded posts! Unfortunately, the "Lovers" post from the archive is huge and a lot of it is terribly unhelpful for what we need so I may go through and edit for content.
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December 28th, 2009 #7
Edit: gah, x-posted with Tav! But we got our info from different sources so it's all good.
Heeeey, coming late to the party... thanks for getting the ball rolling Tav! I'm new to Tarot cards so giving myself a crash course as we go along, heh.
Anyway I decided to snag the Lovers and the Five of Swords for the team...
Here's what aeclectic.net has to say about the Lovers:
Basic Tarot Story
The Fool comes to a cross-road, filled with energy, confidence and purpose, knowing exactly where he wants to go and what he wants to do. But he comes to a dead stop. A flowering tree marks the path he wants to take, the one he's been planning on taking. But standing before a fruit tree marking the other path is a woman. He's met and had relationships with women before, some far more beautiful and alluring. But she is different. Seeing her, he feels as though he's just been shot in the heart with cupid's arrow, so shocking, so painful is his "recognition" of her. As he speaks with her, the feeling intensifies; like finding a missing part of himself, a part he's been searching for his life long. It is clear that she feels the same about him. They finish each others sentences, think the same thoughts. It is as if an Angel above had introduced their souls to each other. Though it was his plan to follow the path of the flowering tree, and though it will cause some trouble for him to bring this woman with him, to go somewhere else entirely, the Fool knows he dare not leave her behind. Like the fruit tree, she will fulfill him. No matter how divergent from his original intent, she is his future. He chooses her, and together they head down a whole new road.
Basic Tarot Meaning
Originally, this card was called just LOVE. And that's actually more apt than "Lovers." Love follows in this sequence of growth and maturity. And, coming after the Emperor, who is about control, it is a radical change in perspective. LOVE is a force that makes you choose and decide for reasons you often can't understand; it makes you surrender control to a higher power. And that is what this card is all about. Finding something or someone who is so much a part of yourself, so perfectly attuned to you and you to them, that you cannot, dare not resist. In interpretation, the card indicates that the querent has come across, or will come across a person, career, challenge or thing that they will fall in love with. They will know instinctively that they must have this, even if it means diverging from their chosen path. No matter the difficulties, without it they will never be complete.
Thirteen's Observations
The Lovers is a confusing card as it is ruled not by an emotional water sign but by airy Gemini. The original trump featured a man and a woman with a cupid above them about to shoot his dart. Later this became three figures, the interpretation being a man choosing between two women, or a man meeting his true love with the help of a matchmaker. Still later, with Waite, we have an Angel above Adam and Eve. The Angel stands for Raphael, who is emblematic of Mercury and Air, planet and element of Gemini. Gemini is the communications sign. It's all about messages and making contact; also, as it is the card of the twins, it's about finding your other self. In this regard, you can see that the Lovers card begins to make sense. Especially if you change it back to "LOVE." Here is a card about perfect communication, about finding something your soul requires. In this regard, its most common interpretation about being "A Choice" makes sense. When this card appears, you are being told to trust you instincts, to choose this career, challenge, person or thing you're so strongly drawn to, no matter how scary, how difficult, irrational or troublesome - without it, you will never be wholly you. It's sudden and unexpected, and it means a compete change in plans; but this is LOVE. True love. Go for it!
A smirking young man gathers up swords won in battle from two losers. In arguments and battles of ideas there are going to be times when one just loses or has to surrender. The worst of these is when the winner is an awful person, a bully, braggart, a cheat, someone who used an unfair advantage to win. But it happens. The problem: "How can I win in an argument with this person?" The answer/prediction: "You can't. All you can do is not argue." This is the closest to a win one can come to in this situation. But if the Querent feels they must argue, then they need to be prepared to learn from it, not allow feelings of failure, anger or blame to overcome them.
AIR. AIR though some decks have it as Fire. If AIR then:
Represents pure mind, thinking, speaking. Best known for representing problems and troubles especially those relating to communications or bad press, but really about anything to do with either words and/or thoughts. Brilliant thoughts as well as nightmares; sharp ideas or a sharp tongue. This is the card of scientists and analysts, of thinking things through or thinking/saying too much. Ideas breeze into your mind, words are given breath, written letters and messages fly on the wind.
BTW we need a team logo - got any suggestions or should I just whip something up?
Last edited by Arish; December 28th, 2009 at 01:25 AM.Arish in the Mirror - Self-Portrait page
December 28th, 2009 #8
-grins- The more references and info the better, say I.
Team logo... I'm guessing it has to be as PG-13 as we can get it... so ..... hrmm........ Um... yea. I'm not drawing a total blank but "avatars" aren't my strong suit. :] Feel free to come up with something and we can edit/change/etc it if we need?
I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...
December 28th, 2009 #9
I was drifting off to sleep last night and thought.... I wonder what a Carnivale set of tarot cards would look like..... -grins- So I grabbed a few images that were Carnivale (top left and top right corners) and some other images that are more gothic-alternative. Corsets, general victorian attire, rich fabrics, masks, boots.... etc.
I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...
December 29th, 2009 #10
Heyhey... so I was bored-ish tonight and, since we can't start drawing yet... I took a stab at makin' an avatar. Whatcha think?
I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...
December 29th, 2009 #11
So... as per our conversation:
The Queen of Cups.... The Mystic... the mistress of the veil... come see Madame Sorsha tell your future!
The Lovers... Witness the romance between the Bird of the Sky and the Beast-tamer of the Earth... come see the Lady of the Trapeze tempt the Lord of the Lions!
The 9 of Pentacles... Lady Ann's final performance! See the Bearded Lady shave her lustrous locks as she retires into Anonymity!
The 5 of Swords... Sword-Swallower Shane will no longer be performing due to ... mysterious circumstances?
Yay for Cirque de Tarot! I'll try to pull a few targeted images for direct reference on the above.
I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...
December 30th, 2009 #12
Sweet avatar! I fiddled with the artwork a bit... hope you don't mind... if you want to go back to the original or tweak it some more, let me know
EDIT: Grah xposted again... thanks for summing up the convo. Cirque du Tarot, here we come!
Time to hunt down images...
Arish in the Mirror - Self-Portrait page
December 30th, 2009 #13
Woot... almost to the Drawing Hour. ;}
So here's another board... I tried to pull images based on our exact ideas for the cards. Apologies for the sizes of the images. If you want, I can section off each area into its own image and re-post them so they can be seen. Some of them are, unfortunately, pretty small as it is. All of these, I believe, were pulled from IStockPhoto.com and are just the basic ctrl-click and download. Notice, yay, they're all watermarked.
I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way...


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poor baby - and you! hope you are able to rest today
pics done! Gabe didn't want anything to do with my belly, but we did the best we could. Maybe we'll be able to get a few good ones at the shower on Sunday
Katrina - Mama to Gabriel 11/20/2009 and Norah 10/11/2011 and Theo03/11/2013- married to Wayne -
carrie ~ i was wondering what the trouble with side lying was. i hope it gets better soon. idk what i'd do if i always had to get up to nurse. i'd be one very grumpy mommy, i'm afraid. i do not do well when i'm sleep-deprived.
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
Kat - You look fabulous!! And look at your little cutie pie! Aww! I'm so so happy you did pictures! You'll never regret them!
TBH, I am a very grumpy mama! It's hard, I'm so short fused with Nora. I try so hard but her tantrums are epic lately and she brings me to my knees in ways I never knew was possible. Sigh.
I'm hoping by 3 months, this whole spitting up thing is in the past. I'm so tired of it! But like I said, his dipes are good and he's gaining weight, so it's ... just a laundry issue. Gah!
Nora went to gmas for the whole afternoon!! She had a potty accident and I didn't pack extra panties for her (whoops) so my MIL texted me and was like nvm I found pullups, don't worry. I was like, oh no no no. Pls don't put her in pullups she HAS to learn potty accidents are NOT ok. I told her to just put her knit shorts back on and DH would run over with a few extra pairs of panties. Turned out it wasn't truly an accident, she went potty and then was done, went back to playing. Then while she was playing she suddenly jumped up and had to go again, and just didn't make it fast enough. It was #2 and was (sorry, TMI) a bit loose so she just had a tummy ache. She only 3 years old! I think she did fabulous and accidents like that are part of the process. So I'm not upset about her having the accident like I was when my MIL first texted me.
Regardless, I took Finn grocery shopping with me, then came home and got a good 2 hour nap in! Yay! Mama is feeling rested!
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
I'm at a loss of what to do about K pooing in his pants. I keep him in Pull-Ups because I cannot stand to clean poo that has smeared all down his legs from trying to take underwear off. Having to clean him up or put him in the shower 3 times a day is wearing me out.
I am so tired now. Sleepiness just suddenly hit me. No sore boobies, though, so not mastitis this time. We had a good day. I had to go out and run some errands and D was wonderful in the car. Not a peep out of him the whole time we were out. He's getting where he can spend more and more time sitting in his seat or laying on his blanket rather than always in my arms. It gives me a few extra moments to get some things done.
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
We are definitely feeding off each other. Don't worry, no offense taken, it's just the nature of the beast right now.
Glad you had a good day! Those are always welcome! How trained was K? Was he doing really well and regressed, or was he still having some misses here and there? Nora was pretty much solid, so I don't want her going backwards if I can help it.
Re: cds - I'm looking for something a little trimmer than the BG's. Whats a really good pocket or AIO, preferably OS, that's nice and trim? GroVias are nice but pricey. Any other ideas?
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
The Muttaqin AI2s I have are OS and very trim. They are kind of pricey and I haven't used them much to tell you how well they work but I really like my Muttaqin OS cloth. I think she stocked some today. http://hyenacart.com/MuttaqinBaby/ I just checked and she doesn't have any OSes now, but if you join her Yahoo group, you'll get an email when she stocks. OS dipes cost more up front but cost less in the long run if you only have to buy one set. i really like swaddlebees but i don't know what they have now. it's not the same as when i got them 4 years ago.
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
akind1, love the photos! Now I wish I had done maternity photos!
Baby_Cakes, you think the BG 4.0s are bulky? I put those on when I want something trim!
What's up with the tummy issues? I have had an upset stomach most of the day and tonight, DD threw up. I can't tell if it was from an upset tummy or if she just ate too much. But whatever it was, it's no fun. She's asleep now but she was so pitiful for the past couple of hours!
Annie wife v2.0 to DH and joyfully parenting DSS 20 , DSD 17 , DSD 16 , DSS 14, heart hero DD 4 and DS due 6/2015 . 8/2010
I think they are only bulky right now because they are on the smallest setting (Carrie, correct me if I'm wrong) - I LOVE my swaddlebees (or blueberries - same company) - but I have the sized diapers. Technically DS can fit in either a medium or a large at the moment. I mean, there is not telling how Finn will grow, but he's almost at a point where mediums would fit, and while not OS, mediums seem to go a LONG way. (FWIW, Swaddlebees makes OS dipes, I just use the sized diapers because they are significantly cheaper) - stalk diaperswappers and see if you can find some OS AIO's for cheap. (or at least less than full price)
Thanks for the compliments on the pics - DH did a great job! - I'm glad we did them, even though I think DH wasn't too thrilled about doing them, he likes how they turned out. I used to not like my picture taken - still don't really - but I"m only going to pregnant with this baby once, and I want some tangible reminders. I also want BF'ing pics this time too. I was a little reluctant with DS, but I've seen such tasteful ones done that I'm really excited to try to do some with Norah.
DS has gone down to bed so easily the last few nights! like 5 minutes tops! I am so glad - I hope it lasts!
Baby girl was moving in some super uncomfortable/borderline painful ways last night before I laid down. I don't know if it was my position or hers, or a combination. But really, I'm ready for her to do her squirming on the OUTSIDE!
scored some great deals at consignment last night. my mom got the pack n play/bassinet I wanted for only $40! so that was fantastic, I got DS enough jeans - with the adjustable waist! - and a couple items for DD. I still really need sneakers for DS - all the ones they had were extremely beat up. I think I'll have to buy those new, so need to watch for sales.
Busy weekend ahead, hopefully will distract me from wanting Norah to come sooner than later . . .
Katrina - Mama to Gabriel 11/20/2009 and Norah 10/11/2011 and Theo03/11/2013- married to Wayne -
We had tummy problems last weekend and earlier this week. On day Dylan threw up what seemed to be a ton of breastmilk. I couldn't believe he even had that much in him! He's only spit up maybe 3 times total so that was very surprising. It was only the one time, though. Oh, and the one really nasty poo. Maybe that was part of it all. My neighbor had a bad day, too.
I agree that mediums do seem to last. As big as my babies were, we never needed large diapers. Swaddlebees are the trimmest diapers I've used. I really like them for that and they are super-absorbent, never leaked. The nice about their AIOs (if they are made the same) is that they are pockets, too, so you can stuff them with an extra soaker if you need more. They don't make a diaper without PUL anymore, though, do they, Kat? Or maybe it was hemp. I know I couldn't find diapers like the ones I had for K. I gave them to a friend who was supposed to give them back but she totally flaked on me and dropped off the face of the earth and I never heard from her again. She lived in SC. Kat, maybe you can find her and get them back for me.
I like the Rainshine Design OS pockets I have. I got them in a co-op so I don't know their availability or how much they cost retail. Have you tried Fuzzibunz OS pockets? I've not tried their OSes but I have a few old style sized pockets and think they are really trim.
D slept almost too well last night. It was weird. There were 2 or 3 times when he got restless and was doing his hard grunting. I tried burping him, which worked sometimes, and nursing him. He would only nurse for, literally, a few seconds. I don't think it was even a minute each time. Then he'd go back to sleep. I don't think he got much milk. I guess that's ok because he wasn't fussy like he was hungry. I was right there offering. He just didn't want it or couldn't stay awake long enough.
Kat ~ One more thing. I don't think you are supposed to buy used shoes, especially for kids. I remember reading once that the shoes become at least somewhat conformed to the original wearer and will never fit anyone else properly.
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
I bet it is b/c they are on the smallest rise setting. Duh. Maybe once he's bigger they won't seem so bulky.
I'm trying to decide if I want to buy more diapers so I don't have to wash as often, or just buy sposies to fill in the gaps. Sigh. Do I really want to shell out another maybe $100 for an extra day or so, or should I just keep doing what I'm doing? Decisions.
I think I figured out what I'm going to do IRT the trash can sitch. I'm going to get a smaller trash can for the sposies, and use the big lidded 13 gallon w/lid can for my wet bag. Ta-da. The sposies will get thrown out daily and the cloth will be in a can. I'm a genius.
That nap yesterday was exactly what I needed, and Finnley slept great last night, too. I'm a new woman today!
Re: shoes - We like Sketchers for DD, and we also buy play shoes at Target. I hate to spend even more than $10 on shoes she'll get completely mudded up/wet/dirty. Sketchers can be pricey even at the outlets. Her current pair were only $20 but still, those are her shopping shoes and not her play-outside shoes.
Oh - I think I figured out my sling. I'm getting to be a pro and it's really comfy now. If I start it up high enough and tighten the top rail first, it gets tight enough to hold him in place but not too tight that it hurts my neck. I'm super happy b/c it's much easier for me to use than the wrap -- even though the wrap is ultimately more comfortable long term.
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
MW: generally I don't buy used shoes; however these don't look like they were worn at all; they are on the dressier side, so maybe if they were, it was maybe once? or maybe they bought the wrong size :shrug who knows? A lot of times stuff at consignment is still new with tags, so you can luck out buying new things for way less than retail.
Carrie - as far as diapers . . . you shell out maybe $100 for an extra day that will last you forever (or at least a long time) or shell out maybe $20 a week? IDK I don't buy sposies on a regular basis so forget how much they cost . . .either way, up to you! I think for us, we'll just continue to put stinky diapers in disposable baggies and toss in the regular trash (when we are using sposies on Norah and Gabe) - right now stinky cloth goes in a baggie, and then in the diaper pail. I think I want a second one, but DH isn't convinced. right now the pail hold exactly enough diapers for me to do laundry about twice a week. Once the new baby arrives, not so much. But then, I'll likely be wanting to do wash every other day then.
hooray on your genius-ness! and a nap!
The swaddlebees/blueberries I have do still work like a pocket, plus the inside bit flips out in the wash, so it also washes and dries like a pocket. (the insert is only sewn in one end) however, I am pretty sure most of it is things alot of people don't like - PUL on the outside, and I'm sure the inner has some sort of poly- too. however, I don't mind, and they have really cute patterns . . . DS has worn their medium from around 14 lbs until now, and he's about 24 lbs I think. New they run about $18 each. though I've scored some like-new ones on diaperswappers for around $10 each.
Katrina - Mama to Gabriel 11/20/2009 and Norah 10/11/2011 and Theo03/11/2013- married to Wayne -
Baby_Cakes, have you looked on craigslist for diapers? I have found some great deals on there.
Annie wife v2.0 to DH and joyfully parenting DSS 20 , DSD 17 , DSD 16 , DSS 14, heart hero DD 4 and DS due 6/2015 . 8/2010
Ok, so, I got the Funk Rock. Directions said to do a 30 min soak first, then wash. I didn't feel comfortable doing a soak with soiled diapers. Something seemed wrong about that, diapers soaking in poopy water. So I'm going to wash them first and then do a soak and then wash again. I'm also not going to wash the wet bag with them. I think maybe the PUL from the wet bag is making them smell? Maybe? Worth a shot leaving it out for now. Hopefully my dipes are fresh as roses when this is all said and done...otherwise, idk what I'm going to do.
I just checked craigslist, thanks for the idea. Nothing right now but I'll keep looking back!!
Any other postpartum mamas still in maternity clothes? I'm down to 167 but NONE of my pre-preg clothes fit. I bought a few new tops from target and one pair of shorts, but I don't want to spend $$ on jeans. I should. I'm sick to death of pulling up these stupid maternity jeans! I have some lounge wear that I live in, but sometimes i just want jeans and a t shirt. Especially now if the weather stays cool, you know? I just can't wait to get back into better shape!!
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
See if you can find jeans on clearance or something. Maternity jeans (at least mine) suck! I will probably wear them today, because it's chilly, but I really, really don't like them! With DS, I had lost a good bit of weight prior to getting pregnant and still had my larger jeans, and I fit in them right after. I am really hoping, since I've not gained much this time, that I fit right back into my pre-pregnancy jeans. I miss them!
Yeah, I might do at least a good rinse prior to soaking. I hope it works! I found that my Planet Wise wetbag did smell up the wash. It's why I gave up on it and just use trash bags. More waste, less hassle.
I love DS's naptime! I sure hope he keeps these long afternoon naps up after the baby arrives, because I have a feeling that we all will need it!
Katrina - Mama to Gabriel 11/20/2009 and Norah 10/11/2011 and Theo03/11/2013- married to Wayne -
Annie wife v2.0 to DH and joyfully parenting DSS 20 , DSD 17 , DSD 16 , DSS 14, heart hero DD 4 and DS due 6/2015 . 8/2010
gosh, I keep losing the thread.
I'm still in maternity clothes. I lost 20 lbs at delivery & then another 5 over the first week, but maybe 1 since then. So I'm still up almost 15 lbs. I haven't even tried on my non-maternity stuff b/c I know how discouraging that would be! I should start walking again.
-Shannon, momma to H 8/03, N 9/06, & P 8/11, missing S born at 11 wks 1/09
ok, im in such good company, i feel better. lol.
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
I have been meaning to ask you guys about some nursing tops I bought. They are those babydoll style with the empire top and then a bottom that goes out from just under the breasts and is loose and baggy and what I call dress-like. I guess that's the style now but I think it looks horrible on me. It makes me look like I'm still pg and just short and dumpy. I'm thinking maybe that style is really only good for taller people? What do you guys think? Is that the style and should I keep them or should I return them? If I ever get a chance, I'll post a pic of me wearing one so you can see.
Is that how you are normally supposed to use Rockin' Green soap or is that an extra step for getting stink out or because you are just switching? Charlie's Soap says to run the empty washer at least once with just Charlie's Soap to get residue off the washer. I couldn't do a soak even if I wanted with a front loader. I do always do a prewash.
I forgot the Swaddlebees now have the soaker that flips out. That's great! The old ones didn't do that. That's my one complaint about AIOs. The enclosed, sewn in soaker is so thick I wonder if it gets really clean, especially encased in PUL, and takes forever to dry.
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
MW: I think Carrie got FunkRock -not regular detergent, but a special treatment for smellies? I think.
Is it the style? well, depends -it is if you want it to be. I don't wear that sort because they do make me look pregnant when I'm not (and I'm shorter than you!) - If you don't like, then don't bother. I can only do the empire waisted stuff if the belly of the shirt is cut straight and not loose.
Well, the bassinet I chose doesn't fit right next to the bed. it's a bit big by maybe 2 inches. Unless we can find DH a narrower nightstand (or he loses it all together . . .) It fits about a foot away in the bay window. I think I can live with that. I did really want it right next to the bed; like the co-sleeper, but since it's *not* a co-sleeper, it doesn't need to fit right next to the bed.
I need to add bassinet sheets to my list of things to buy. I think mostly we are getting gift cards at this shower on Sunday - because MIL told people to get us that. I don't mind gift cards, honestly, but I didn't create a registry for my own enjoyment (ok, partly, it IS fun to walk around and create a wish list ;)) but also, so people have some idea of what we want, and buy that. grr. DH and I are pretty much convinced that MIL is only doing the shower because her family kind of pushed her into it. I just wish she'd show a little more enthusiasm over this baby. Now, FIL is excited, and is obvious about it.
Anyway - it's nice and crisp here, hope everyone is enjoying similiar fall-ish weather!
Katrina - Mama to Gabriel 11/20/2009 and Norah 10/11/2011 and Theo03/11/2013- married to Wayne -
Empire waisted stuff is really hard to "pull off" when you still have extra weight. I know I'm the same way, I just can't wear it. I bought shorts at Target but they're a juniors size 15 and though they fall down a bit, at least they're normal shorts!
No, the Funk Rock is like a special de-funking thing. You *can* use it every time, but I'm pretty sure it's meant to just get the stinkies out. Regular Rockin' Green you use like any other detergent. The Funk Rock is like a powerful ammonia/stink fighting thing. I have a top loader so soaking is easy. I just have to get back down there and do a rinse, then another wash. PITA, but hopefully worth it.
Carrie SAHM to Nora Caitlyn ('08) and Finnley Dax ('11) homebirthing, breastfeeding, babywearing, intactivist, doula mama!
i'm glad to know the empire waist doesn't always look good. i was worried there was something wrong with me. it seems to be really popular now, at least with designers. returning the stuff is kind of a pain but i've figured out how to pay shipping and print labels online so i don't have to go to the post office.
kat, i'm the same way. empire waists only look good on me if they are straight. if they are fanned out at all, they look awful.
after saying it was still warm here i went out to go to the grocery store and it was cool. had to pull out my maternity pants. i got to put a pair of longies on D, which was fun. of course, no one saw them because i had him in the wrap in the store.
on that note, i have a ton of yarn and nothing to knit. i have at least 8 pairs of small longies for D. i can't make shorties for next year b/c i don't know what size he'll need. i just finished a shirt for E. i have yarn to make some for K but it's from the same dyer. i kind of want to use another dyer's yarn now. what to do?
SAHM to 3 boys and 1 man; 22 , 9, 5 and now 1 year old!
Birth plan sounds good - have you checked w/ hospital protocols too (JIC, as sometimes some lines in a birth plan aren't needed because they are a standard of practice, while others may not be able to be accomodated at all - like what you are able to eat and drink)
I might have something in there about - if it is needed - daddy (or you if you are able) needs to stay with baby at all times should she need to go to the nursery, etc.
Also, who do you want in the room with you - anyone in particular to exclude? Are you ok w/ students, etc? Also go in to the discussion knowing which things you may allow wiggle room on, and which not. (the saline lock for example, is something I consent to - I'd rather them have the access in case, then try to get it later, when I may be in the middle of a contraction or something and it be much harder to do - plus it won't limit my mobility at all)
I didn't see anything in there about monitoring - do you know what they tend to do? continuous, intermittent, internal?
We actually had 2 plans - one for me and one for the baby.
This time, because I know the hospital, and also kind of not what can go wrong, per se, but that birth may not be ideal, etc, I have contingent plans. Much as I didn't want to, I do have some lines in mine about things I'd like should a c-section become necessary. And also, should interventions of any sort be needed, kind of a run down on what I'd like to try first, and what would be a last resort. (like if labor does seem to stall, lets try movement and position changes first, then depending on where in labor I am, if water hasn't broken, willing to do AROM? etc.)
Oooh good ideas. I added in both about dad staying with baby and the students- I don't mind students, but I specified that for every student in the room, I want one less "regular" person. I think it's good that they learn about natural birth, but not at the expense of me feeling like a zoo exhibit, you know?
They typically have you on the monitor while you're in triage (about an hour when you get there), and then only seem to put it on if it's been a while, or you're showing signs that concern them. I did originally have it in the plan that I declined continuous monitoring, etc etc, but I decided to take it out. One of the things I've been told is to make the plan as short as possible, and take out anything you don't need permission for (ie I'm just going to eat, not ask if I can eat, and I'm going to move around, not ask if I can- I'm just going to do it). So I took that part out- I figure if they come in and tell me to lay down so they can do a monitoring strip, I'll ask them at that time to bring the doppler and do it that way instead, you know?
The saline lock for me is non-negotiable. I have a terrible anxiety over needles, and I can almost guarantee that having one in will stall my labor. If they fuss (which the OB didn't seem to, we'll see!) then I'll tell them that in an "emergency" they can leave the freaking room and DH can put one in for me. This has been in my head for years, ever since I read this passage (it's part of an article called "deep doula thoughts, or- things that make you go hmmm")
Rather than question this statement, I'm simply going to relay what happened with some students I taught a childbirth series to many years ago. He (the expectant father) happened to be an EMT-Paramedic. This couple was doing a hospital tour so that they could become familiar with the hospital they intended to have their baby in. The nurse showed them the triage area, then showed them the labor and delivery rooms, explained that this is when they would get their IV…
The EMT dad said, "Umm, what if we don't want an IV?"
Nurse replied, "It's standard…what if something goes wrong? We must have access to your vein and what if it takes a while to get the IV started? It can be difficult sometimes to get it started…what if we can't get it started and we're trying to get an IV in while your baby is having problems??"
The EMT dad looked her straight in the eye and said, "Are you telling me that I can start an IV in the field, at night, in the rain, inside a vehicle that has been flipped over on a patient who is critical and bleeding out…and you are concerned about starting an IV on my healthy wife in your brightly lit hospital??? That frightens me."
Hee hee. I'll just let that story sit with you for a while.
Anyways, I'm definately going to go through a longer list with DH and my doula for, exactly like you said, the choices between certain interventions, things like that. I just don't want that stuff to bog down the list that the hospital gets, you know?
JJ ~ That looks good. The only other thing I can think of is to read every single word of every form that you have to fill out for the doctor and the hospital and cross out, initial and date anything you do not consent to because there is usually a blanket statement in there saying that you consent to any and all medical procedures the doctors deem necessary for you and your baby. I think since that's a legally binding paper it would cancel out anything you had in your birth plan. Then make sure you tell everyone what you have crossed out. I don't think hospital staff regularly looks at those forms because they are so routine so they wouldn't necessarily know that you did not consent.
Definately. DH and I have already agreed not to sign the general consent form. I htink that's going to cause waves, and we've decided not to bring it up yet. I don't want to spend the next 2.5 months fighting with the dr over it since there isn't really anything she can say to change our minds.
Anyways-- that said, the appt went well. DH and I laughed the whole way home about how much of a pushover she is. I don't think she's confident enough to really stand up to most of our choices. The only thing we said is that I can see her jumping to a c-section earlier than normal, but I'm confident about DH and I's ability to stand up and say no, we don't feel it's warranted yet. But she did glance over the plan, and the only thing she pointed out at ALL was the line about the episiotomy- giving the usual line about how sometime they are warranted when baby isn't wanting to come out... etc etc. So basically we know we'll watch her at that time, but other than that-- as I said, I think we can get our way :)
Agreed! That makes me so excited to do mine now! You look very... peaceful and just happy. I love it.
I need to add bassinet sheets to my list of things to buy. I think mostly we are getting gift cards at this shower on Sunday - because MIL told people to get us that. I don't mind gift cards, honestly, but I didn't create a registry for my own enjoyment (ok, partly, it IS fun to walk around and create a wish list ;)) but also, so people have some idea of what we want, and buy that. grr. DH and I are pretty much convinced that MIL is only doing the shower because her family kind of pushed her into it. I just wish she'd show a little more enthusiasm over this baby. Now, FIL is excited, and is obvious about it.
Anyway - it's nice and crisp here, hope everyone is enjoying similiar fall-ish weather!
We picked out fabric for our crib blanket! It's a plain white minkee fabric. Soo soft. And it's nice because then we're going to do pink sheets, a valence, and accents, then still have the grey walls, so it won't be like walking into the room and going WHOA PINK! Several of the accents are black as well, so it will be girly, but tone it down.
We do need to work on a sheet for the pnp bassinette too. MIL is going to make it, but I can't decide what fabric/color to use. The pnp itself is like a sage green, so I might just get her to do basic white cotton. Part of me wants to do the white minkee, but I think that might be too hot. I'm not worried about it for the blanket since a/ baby won't use a blanket the first bit when they're too little to pull it off themselves, and b/ the baby's room is cooler than the rest of the house, but the pnp will be in our room or the living room, which are warmer.
And I'm LOVING the fall weather. I'm a summer person, through and through. I don't deal well with cold. But I have so many more cute maternity pieces for fall, so it's nice to have choices about what to wear again.
That said, jumping in on the postpartum clothing discussion- I'm already planning on going to value village just before baby is born and stocking up on super comfy sweats/fleece pants/pj pants- something stupid like five pairs. I figure if I wear/ruin two in the labor/birth/immediately postpartum period, that's fine, but then I have other options for around the house. I also bought a bella band when I was in the states, so I'm hoping to use that with some of my regular clothing. But- for the first bit, it'll be freezing cold here, so I'm going to get away with sweats.
i'm glad to know the empire waist doesn't always look good. i was worried there was something wrong with me. it seems to be really popular now, at least with designers. returning the stuff is kind of a pain but i've figured out how to pay shipping and print labels online so i don't have to go to the post office.
on that note, i have a ton of yarn and nothing to knit. i have at least 8 pairs of small longies for D. i can't make shorties for next year b/c i don't know what size he'll need. i just finished a shirt for E. i have yarn to make some for K but it's from the same dyer. i kind of want to use another dyer's yarn now. what to do?
I had the empire waist problem BEFORE getting pregnant. I was skinny, but carrying extra weight around in my belly- so I worried wearing stuff like that, that it looked like a baby belly. So I can see how afterwards it would make you not feel so hot either.
I've got yarn too, and I'm out of ideas. I never really love the way my sweaters/pants turn out, not to mention I don't need any more of them. Or any more blankets, or any more hats. But I've got quite a bit of misc baby yarn, and can't figure out what to do with it. I'm making a pair of booties right now (that I, again, don't need...) but I can't seem to find a good pattern, so I've torn them out about three times and restarted with a new one. I really just want to use up my existing yarn so I can go get wool to attempt a soaker. Any idea for OTHER items? I think after I tackle these booties, I'm going to make a bib. It's not really the right type of yarn, but oh well.
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Ooooh those do look gorgeous. I can only crochet though. :( I think that's probably the problem- booties are one of those things that just work better knit.
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http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1680551&postcount=1 This is the pattern for the booties pictured above. I posted the picture from Ravelry because there wasn't a picture on the pattern page.
http://vakreverden.blogspot.com/2010/12/hekleoppskrift-pa-barnetflercrochetpatt.html (Scroll halfway down for english version)
Those are just some of the free ones. There are many more for a small fee that you can download. So many more cute options for girls.
Forgot to say that searched only for seamless patterns because I hate sewing up seams. There are even a ton more if you don't limit it to that.
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lol, those ones pictures are the pattern I'm working on right now. It's been the best so far, but still just looks so big and much wider than in the photo. But-- I'll have to wait until I get further into it to see if it's salvagable- maybe they'll end up ok after all.
See and it's funny, I'm the same way, I'd rather do seamless- but the only pair of booties I've made that worked-- had a seam. Maybe I should go back to that.
I'll take a look at the other patterns as well. Maybe I'll find something I like more.
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It has been a while since I've posted...busy busy busy!
Kat - LOVE the pictures! I have been thinking of getting some done as well but we can't really afford the time or money right now to go get them done, but I do have a friend who does some pictures as a hobby and after seeing yours I think I might just get her to do some - I was kind of worried since it would most likely be outside, but I love that about yours so I might just go for it! I would like of have my girls in them too, but they may not cooperate with that. I would love to get the whole family but I am not sure when Dh would have the time.
So I spent a week at my mom's last week and it was good in a way - I got to relax and rest a bit more than usual and my friend from there had a shower for me which was fun. BUT I am not sue if I want to go stay there before the baby is born or not. Right now we are 1.5 hours from the hospital she is about 1/2 and hour so for my last pregnancy I stayed there for the last little while and then she kept DD until I got to go home. That was the plan for this time too but maybe we've just spent too much time together because now I feel like I want a beak from her and I don't feel like I want to go there. She is always trying to tell me what I want - like "oh no you don't want that - you want this" and it drives me crazy. And I think the kids are getting on her nerves too! I don't know maybe a few weeks apart and I will change my mind. The other advantage to going there is that if I go into labor in the middle of the night - which I usually do - then she will just keep the kids whereas if we are here I will have to wake them up and bring them - and do I want to drive 1.5 hours in labor with a 5 and 2 year old asking a billion questions and fighting with each other?? Too many things to think about!
I went to my Dr yesterday and everything was fine. I told him I was having stronger contractions - like nothing timeable or anything but some that make me think "I really don't want to deliver this baby!" but he said oh well that's ok if you were to go into labor now we wouldn't try to stop it - 36 weeks would be better but it's ok" Which kind of surprised me. I freaked my self out the other day - when I realized that I was almost 35 weeks - I had DD1 at 38 weeks! So i could have a baby in like 3 weeks! I am so not ready for it - well I am ready to meet him/her and I can't wait for that part, but our house is soooooo not ready and I feel like I have nothing that I need for this baby! But I guess I do - I am just feeling very unprepared!
JJ - I had found a really cute pattern for baby girl booties that look like Mary Jane shoes with white lacey socks - I thought they were really cute and were fairly easy too! If you want I can see if I can find the pattern again - it was a free on online.
I have been busy crocheting as well. I have made some really cute hats - a little lamb one, a deer, a sock monkey and some owl hats. I haven't had a chance to make anything for my own baby yet - it has all been for other people! I have another baby shower next weekend so I will need to make something for that too.
Well DD2 is painting - which can be dangerous for her - she is 2 and it usually ends up everywhere but the paper so i should go see - she is being very quiet- never a good sign for a 2 yr old!
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Kinder ~ Are you on Ravelry? If so, check out the Dreameaze Sleeping Bag by Anne McCrea. I can't post a link to the pattern unless you are on Ravelry because it's not free. It's only $4.00, though, so not expensive. It's a sleep sack with a body and shoulder straps. Very cute and people say they really like it because it stays on so well.
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Three curious donkeys looking over a wall. Co. Roscommon.Ireland
So Cute!! :D
Cheers RuthThere were 2 more but I could,nt fit them inRegardsEunan
Cheers sheridan,I had an apple hence the interestRegardsEunan
well theyre very cute:)
dats trueEunan
Thanks a lot LauraWish I could paintRegardsEunan
Awwww, I just want to kiss them! That's a very sweet photograph. Nice job.
Thanks a lot VerenaCherry Tree looks greatRegardsEunan
Very cute! love the group portrait!
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