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hi, i have bought your mustang template, i am trying to insert soundcloud music html etc using widget code and/or wordpress code,i have another wordpress site and this works perfect but it doesn't on mustang. is it possible to insert youtube video, soundcloud links etc?
Please show me where you have added the code and send the code and I will test myself. Thank you.
Best regards,
hi atix i did it on a test page here > http://www.ultrachicdjs.com/test-2/
as you can see the youtube shortcode works fine, i have put the soundcloud wordpress code and wodget code and neither work, also the twitter shortcode doesnt seem to work correctly either.
the 3 codes not working are below. [twitter Paul Mendez=""paulmendez="" count="4"]
[soundcloud url="http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/67524208" params="" width=" 100%" height="166" iframe="true" /]
<iframe width="100%" height="166" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" src="https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F67524208"></iframe>
The twitter shortcode that you have send is not correct. This one is correct:
[twitter title="Paul Mendez" username="paulmendez" count="4"]
About the soundcloud shortcode, pleas contact the plugin's author.
Best regards,
thanks atix
I'm still having issues with the testimonial shortcode only scrolling in one direction. It scrolls to the right fine but if you scroll backwards it cuts off the testimonial. Please provide a fix for this.
Hi. In which browser you got this bug? Please send the page where you are using it, I can't find it on the page. Thank you.
It's happening in IE and chrome, the URL to the site is http://houstonserioussingles.com/newsite/. It's about midway down the page.
I have tested and works for me without problems. Can you give me more details, will be great to have some screenshots.
I have changed the slider height from 448 to 600 using the following method:
.slide { width:960px; height:600px;
$slider_height = '600';
I would like to make the Homepage widget show below the slider so that it does not overlap. Where do I make these changes so that I can display the entire image.
Thank you
Nevermind, I refreshed my cache and it worked.
I need your help from these:
1. I must setup them for work?
Nivo Slider — for homepage slider
jQuery — for javascript library
PrettyPhoto — for the lightbox plugin
2. If yes, how can I setup the jQuery & PrettyPhoto?
3. Don't work the slider in turn I added sliders. What I must do?
Thanks for help
All scripts are implemented in the theme and is not need to install additional plugins. Please send your site url and I will check the slider.
Best regards,
Hi, I sent a message with the site url. Please write the answer to here.
I find the reason of problem. I use a translator plugin (qtranslate or Polylang). If I turn off then the slider is work until I don't turn on the plugin again. What we can do?
Hi, I have question about translate. I would like to translate more language the page, post and everyting else. How we can do it?
If I write new divs to css and index.php, how can I keep the structure of website in IE? I was find IE css, but I don't know what I must writing to there.
Thanks for reply.
Hi, you can use the plugin WPML to translate the site. It is very good plugin.
Is there any reason why the homepage slider would just stop working? Suddenly the slider does not move and advance. I have not changes much on the site so this is very confusing. Can you tell me a couple things that might cause this to happen so I can investigate?
Hi, please send your site url and I will check the slider issue. Did you installed some plugins last time?
Hy, i have question about Gallery shortcodes, for me do not work COLUMNS and other shortcode for gallery like TYPE or INCLUDE. I need use shortcode like this [gallery id="666" type="rectangular" columns="5" include="109,108,103,101,100"] Any idea what can i do? Thanks for help.
Theme shortcode for gallery is this:
[gallery id="666" width="150" height="150"]
Play with the width and height. If want to use the default [gallery] shortcode, then open the file /mustang/lib/shortcodes.php and delete these lines:
remove_shortcode('gallery', 'gallery_shortcode');
add_shortcode('gallery', 'theme_gallery');
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If a delete the two lines, nothing change, here is test http://www.petrkalouda.cz/test-2/ i use shorcode [gallery id="73" columns="5"] (columns styl not working) For me is important COLUMNS working properly.
Be sure that in the file does not exists second line with this code:
add_shortcode('gallery', 'theme_gallery');
If still, will remain the same, please send a message from our Profile page.
Thanks, sended.
Hi, we are building our website with your Mustang theme and we really like it a lot. We have 1 question. We World like to use RoyalSlider for fotopresentations. The problem is that is doesn't work because there is an issue with the deregistering of the default jQuery script in Mustang. Is it a problem if I replace the script with just "wp_enqueue_script('jquery');". Another option is to change the path to a newer version of jQuery. Hope you can help me so we can finish our website (www.impactsportsacademy.nl). Thanks.
Please contact us from the account, from which was made the payment for our theme. Thank you for understanding.
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Hi, Getting a broken image of the slider on front page. Please help Ruth
when I'm uploading an image I get this error:
A TimThumb error has occured
The following error(s) occured: Could not create the file cache directory.
Seems, that there is permission problem with the folder.
Mustang theme uses TimThumb image resizing script for the thumbnails, for example when you are using the gallery shortcode. The first time you run your site TimThumb is going through all of your thumbnail images and creating new versions of them inside your /mustang/lib/cache/ folder.
Using TimThumb might require you to set special permission values for your theme /mustang/lib/cache/ folder. Set the permission for this folder to 0777. For more information or if you run into problems with thumbnails, read the full official documentation for TimThumb – TimThumb Troubleshooting Secrets: http://www.binarymoon.co.uk/2010/11/timthumb-hints-tips/
I am interested in purchasing this theme. Is there a way i can make the navigation bar thicker to allow for a taller logo?
Hi, thank you for interesting in our theme. The bar can be changed via css, but you can use the options from the theme admin panel and to set the top and left margin. See one example: http://d.pr/i/tPLP
Great thanks. Will be buying very soon!
Hope have you as a new customer soon!
I bought the theme. I would like to change the thickness of the navigation bar to be wide enough for my logo. Domain is www.blackwaveconstruction.com. What CSS do i need for this?
What CSS can i use to increase the height of the navigation bar so i can fit a taller logo? Also, how can i change the color of the navigation bar from a gradient to a solid color?
Hi. Please, write me using the contact form in my profile http://themeforest.net/user/AtiX
There we could take a look to this closer, I will help you with this!
I sent an email through the contact form but have not received a response. Did you receive it?
Hi. I have received your email yesterday. In a few minutes I will reply to it. Thank you for your patience.
Hi there. Nice theme… Do you plans to make it responsive?
Hi. Unfortunately not.
On the domain www.blackwaveconstruction.com I have set up the portfolio carousel on the home page but it does not slide from left to right automatically like the theme sample page shows. How can I automate the carousel?
I have checked now and it slide automatically.
Best regards,
Yes, I just figured it out by looking in the JS files. Thank you!
Hello Atix,
We are using your Mustang theme and we are very very pleased with it (www.impactsportsacademy.nl). So thanks! At the moment we have 3 issues we can not solve. Could you look in to it please? The issues are: 1) we can not place a picture with our newsitems/blogposts. The hyperlink does not work anymore. 2) On our homepage (and on your example) we use the 'accordion'. It doesn't fold in anymore. 3) We use the twitter widget in the footer. But we are not getting any tweets anymore (it worked up to a few weeks ago).
Hello Atix, the new WordPress 3.6 is out and we wanted to ask whether the theme is ready for it or will there be a new update? Thank you in advance for your effort. Thanks!!!
Hello. I have installed now the WordPress version 3.6 and works like a charm. Best regards, AtiX
Hello AtiX, we have the theme for a while now in use and have now asked us if we can update to the latest version of WordPress 4.1 Theme Easy?
Furthermore, we ask ourselves whether there will be an update that the page will make responsive? Is this in the planning and if so, how long will it last? Thank you for your last effort and thank you for a new response.
Hello. Our demo site has the latest WordPress version 4.1.1. It is fully supported. Unfortunately we will not make it responsive. Check out our other responsive WP themes. Thank you.


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Dior Miss Dior
87 reviews
68% would repurchase
Package Quality: 4.1
Price: $$$
Package Quality: 4.1
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on 8/22/2010 12:19:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Cool
Hair: Other, Curly, Fine
Eyes: Brown
Sweet, boring, old fashioned, from granny's youth. The retro unimaginative packaging makes this fragrance so dull and boring that it's not worth the money. I'm not even sure they manufacture it anymore.
on 4/4/2010 11:35:00 AM
Age: 56 & Over
Skin: Normal, Fair, Warm
Hair: Red, Wavy, Fine
Eyes: Green
Spritzed this at Saks. I am not a fan of the newer, sugarpop fragrances in pretty girly colors. After reading the reviews, this sounded interesting. On me, this smelled old lady. Since I am an old lady (60), that is the last way I want to smell. I want to smell modern, sexy and sophisticated. Sorry, not a nose, so cannot identify the individual components. But I read it had some of the same notes as other fragrances I like or have enjoyed in the past. So, I was very disappointed. The dry down is somewhat better than the initial scent.
on 4/2/2010 5:49:00 AM
Age: 36-43
Skin: Sensitive, Fair, Warm
Hair: Blond, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Green
Too powdery, too old fashioned, too mossy. I love the classics but this one is just old.
on 1/15/2010 6:57:00 PM
Age: 44-55
Skin: Other, Other, Not Sure
Hair: Other, Other, Other
Eyes: Other
This is a classic fragrance for the woman with class and elegance and yet, a woman who is approachable. It goes on with a bang of greens and florals and aldehydes, but the drydown IS TO DIE FOR :) I rue the day it is no longer available
on 8/13/2009 10:25:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Very Oily, Medium, Warm
Hair: Black, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Brown
Don't be put off by the very green & aldehydic opening, because the drydown is PURE HEAVEN. When that oh-so-gorgeous, soft, creamy, powdery & leathery cloud hits your nose some 15-20 minutes later, it suddenly becomes clear to you why this iconic chypre has withstood the test of time. FYI, I've never been a fan of chypres before this (always preferring richer, heavier orientals), but I have Miss Dior to thank for making me a convert (& for introducing me to the wonderful world of classic scents) -- I'm just sooo hopelessly in love with it & definitely see myself buying a full size bottle once I've used up my 5ml EDT. Beautiful, classy, elegant, demure, polished, regal... this, to me, is Grace Kelly in a bottle.
Forgot to mention that the EDT I'm reviewing is from circa '96/'97. I'm absolutely devastated & furious to learn that Miss Dior was reformulated (yet again!) last year (or was it 2 years ago?) to comply with the recent preposterous EU restriction on the use of oakmoss in perfumery, resulting in our grand dame now having been mercilessly stripped of all the beauty that made her a beloved icon & bestseller for over 60 years (& deservedly so). The once elegant & distinctive lady is said to have now been reduced to a GENERIC (gasp!), withered ghost of her former glorious self, butchered beyond all recognition (*weeps*). To read more about this latest tragic casualty in the classic chypre kingdom, go to this link: http://ayalasmellyblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/love-and-death-of-miss-dior.html. In the meantime, I'll be holding on to my precious 12-year-old miniature & treating it like liquid gold until the day comes (soon, I hope!) when I will finally have the $$$ to horde all the vintage bottles I can find on eBay. Pray to God there will still be plenty of 'em floating around online then, because the very thought of having to say "au revoir" forever to my newly found love is just TOO damn depressing! WHY OH WHY didn't I discover Miss Dior much, much earlier in my life??!!
on 4/7/2009 9:14:00 PM
Age: 44-55
Skin: Normal, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Other
A naughty animalistic perfume hides beneath this prim and proper, ladylike, houndstooth and pencil skirt exterior. A green accord of galbanium and sage, I find carnation dominant in the heart with a lesser amount of powder/cotton, and a vetiver/sandalwood drydown. To borrow a quote from www.boisdejasmine who sums it up perfectly, "Miss Dior does not reveal her charms upon the first encounter, requiring a longer and patient acquaintance, especially for those who are used to the eager-to-please modern fragrances. The green pepper sharpness of galbanum is underpinned by a classical gardenia note, which is bright, dry and intriguingly metallic. These effervescent notes slowly melt into the floral heart of Miss Dior, and yet the animalic darkness is never far behind. Soon the chypre base that supports the refinement of floral notes takes center stage. The composition becomes veiled in duskiness, which is punctuated by the gilded warmth of patchouli. The woman who wears Miss Dior projects the most exquisite elegance paired with confidence and resolve of character—a truly alluring combination.
Like many classical fragrances, Miss Dior has not reached us in its original state. The changes to the formula led to the attenuated base and limpid floralcy, to the unbecoming pallor of its chypre accord and the disappointing softness of its top notes. To think that something so strong, so assertive and so distinctive was to be turned into a wallflower!
Christian Dior Miss Dior contains notes of gardenia, galbanum, bergamot, clary sage, jasmine, narcissus, neroli, rose, patchouli, oakmoss, labdanum, sandalwood. It is available from Saks5thAvenue, Neiman Marcus and other Dior retailer locations."
It goes without saying if you can find vintage, it will be superior to the modern version.
on 4/4/2009 10:53:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Other, Other, Not Sure
Hair: Other, Other, Other
Eyes: Other
As someone who can remember how wonderful this perfume used to be, I can best describe how I feel about it now in in the following description. The current version is but a black and white photograph compared to how it used to be in glorious colour. No comparison. And a great pity. Some reformulated fragrances compare quite favourably to the originals, not so with Miss Dior.
on 3/10/2009 5:38:00 PM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Normal, Tan, Not Sure
Hair: Blond, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
This perfume smells great i got it for my bday!! all my friends bug me to borrow it so when they come over i have to hide it..Lol! The bottle is so cute..
on 3/10/2009 3:28:00 PM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Oily, Medium, Warm
Hair: Black, Straight, Medium
Eyes: Brown
I would describe Miss Cherie as an aldehydic chypre. Classy scent that's sophisticated, sweet, and warm. Great sillage and lasting power. I wouldn't want to wear this scent everyday but for certain occasions (business meetings, formal affairs) Miss Cherie would be perfect. I'll most likely want to purchase a full bottle for myself but before doing so, do a close comparison with some other chypres as well as Chanel No. 5.
Edit: drydown was very powdery so I'm not sure if I will purchase after all.
on 12/23/2008 10:29:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Very Dry, Fair-Medium, Neutral
Hair: Brunette, Wavy, Fine
Eyes: Brown
If anyone is having trouble finding this product, it can be found at Fragrancenet.com.
In the US, I believe Saks has the exclusive on it.
In Canada it is available at Holt Renfrew.
This bears no resemblance whatsoever to Miss Dior Cherie which is a syrupy mess and yes, widely available.
I am doing this so that the demand will remain for the classic beauties and it will not be discontinued. I do not understand why the perfume companies discontinue fragrances that have an established clientelle. Are you listening Lancome/Magie Noire? I had the temptation of smelling a tester of the older formula Magie Noire at Shoppers Drugmar last week and when I got home decided I had to have it. No luck, gone. Only reformulated EdT thin, watery no resemblance to older formulation. Pity.
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Joined: Jun 2013
Location: adelaide aust
Oddometer: 89
V strom or Tenere
Hi , just like to ask people who know , i've asked this in another forum , but would like the opinion on owners or x owners of vstroms and teneres .
I bought a 2012 650 v strom , find i love it i'me riding it more and more , , So much so, that i'm thinking of selling my rocket tourer which i use for touring and any day over say 300 klm ..Now the problem is has much fun has the V is , i have had to change the seat to the lower seat , to get the height right , i've put risers on , but i still start to squirm and get uncomfortable on it , no way could i do 700-1000 klm days on it .
If i was to make it my only bike , i would definetly have to put , bigger risers that come back more , then cables ,, i would need the lowering pegs , even though i'm a short arse , after a while my knees hurt , (i'm used to cruisers ) and i would DEFINETLY need a better seat , , which if it lifted the bike higher would mean lowering the bike a bit , links are out i would do it properly , but i cannot help but think spending all that money on a 650 to tour would be throwing it away ,
So heres my question , would the tenere suit better , it seems more comfortable sat in the showroom ,
But would it be too much of a handful , with the weight on the dirt tracks, i'm discovering this is what i love about the adventure style bikes . Bear in mind i am a complete dirt bike novice ,i'm just discovering the back roads near me, and go slow and steady even on the smaller v strom .
Is the tenere better in the dirt ,, which i don't really need , but less on the road which i don't want , . Obviously the reason i would swap to a tenere is soley to tour on it and sell my rocket ,.
Other than that the option is to still keep two bikes , but i'm retiring in 6 weeks and like the thought of only one rego , one insurance , one of everything , and i'm sick of spending on tyres every 7-8000 klm on the rocket ,
Because the rocket is my touring bike , last march i done 5000 klm , going again next week , being bigger tyres and a bike lots are not familiar with , i need to put a new set on before i go , so 6000 klm later i'm up for another $650 bucks for a set , and when i get back after 5-6000 , it will be another set before the next trip , ,spending on tyres is starting to wear a bit thin after 5 years scuse the pun ,
But the main thing is does the tenere handle the roads (twisties ) has well has the v strom . because thats what i'm loving about the 650
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Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Coastal Texas
Oddometer: 981
Tenere riders are basically gonna tell you they totally understand the appeal of the DL650. Many have had them. And\or the DL1000.
But then they are going to point out there is a huge difference between these 2 bikes.
Maybe not in the "Adventure Marketing World".
But in real world they are very very different.
The Tenere cost THOUSANDS$ more.
And justifiably.
It is just more. More of almost everything.
But, it will still be fun to hear it all again.
XT1200Z BIGGEST Dirt Bike in the world
500 EXC Dirtiest Street Bike in the world
Beastly Adventurer
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Tulsa, OK
Oddometer: 4,895
fwiw - we used to have 2 DL1000's in the garage. Now we have 2 Tenere's
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Joined: Feb 2013
Location: South of Heaven
Oddometer: 85
i'm considering both the new DL 1000 (2014 when it comes out ) and the S10.
I'll wait to see the tech specs on the new DL 1000 (fuck the looks, who cares about that).
I have an 08 Vee now. Best bike i've had.
Beastly Adventurer
Joined: Oct 2009
Location: Blue Mnts Ozstralia
Oddometer: 5,423
All I can say is after riding the Tenere for a while I had to take the Strom back for a recall, yes 5 years old, and it basically felt cramped nervous and rough. You can deduct the rough for the 650.
How much did I ride the Strom after the Ten, once.
As far as off tarmac goes, the S10 is fine. It depends more on your pre conceptions than the bike.
The bikes geometry is the same as most trail bikes. DR650 DRZ etc it's just bigger.
The COG is low so you have a lot of leverage if you need to pick it up, but it is way less prone to nap than the Stroms.
Strom seat was fine for me, the S10 is a bit better. The thing about ADV bikes is you can stand up and look like a poser when you ride through towns if your but gets a bit sore. It's set up to be good for that, standing not posing
Everyones ass is different and different garments can make a difference as well.
So what is actually better. ?
Off road oriented Geometry.
Crusing ability.
Air intake position.
Radiator position.
Leg room / General space.
Adjustable seat height.
Carrying capacity.
Overtaking ability.
Trac control
Better in cross winds.
Shaft (personal choice for me for long distance bikes)
Buffeting from the screen is better than the Pre 2013 Stroms. Donlt know about the lter ones.
Easier to service mostly.
Low down torque range.
After market and DIY Engine maps are an option for the ECU itself.
Nearly all electricals are under one cover with 1/4 turn bolts.
Flip up tank.
What is worse compared to a 650?
Range. 450Km Max Vs 500 Max. Although on a legal speed 110km/h I have achieved a theoretical 470 Km.
If you want to do 200Km/h an hour everywhere expect 300km range.
Steering speed is slower. It's a Giant dirt bike not a jacked up street bike. Compromise for being more stable off road.
Engine is rougher under power. On the cruise it can be "freakishly smooth"
Pushing it up hill is 25% harder.
Pushing around a parking lot? Different. Less effort to hold up which gives more energy to push.
Maintenance costs about 20% up. Mainly tires.
About the same?
(Where I live) Both have premium recommended, Both can run on regular no problems.
Lack of snob value.
Joe Public will still comment on your BMW. You still have to go through the no it's not a BMW thing.
Both have metal tanks so magnet tank bags are transferable.
Both use the same size tires. (from memory)
Accessory options are huge.
"It's better to ride a boring bike than push an interesting one" ... Canuman
"I just may as well admit that my other bikes are toast. I don't ride them. Plain and simple. I didn't want this. It wasn't the plan." - snakebitten
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Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Boone,NC
Oddometer: 2,238
The Triumph 800 looks like a sweet bike and a "not too big & not too small" size. How's it compare with the V Strom & Tenere?
Gnarly Adventurer
Joined: Jun 2009
Location: Lakewood, CO
Oddometer: 270
I think you are pretty sensitive and finding the bike that is comfortable is a longshot as the lottery. I just ride and enjoy. No need for risers or seat mods. I never rode the Vstrom as it's chain drive, and I had a belly full of that crap back in 1972, no way in this world I'll go back there. The tenere is one heck of a good motorcycle, but I doubt it any better in handlebars, seat, pegs ect if you like the Harley layout.
Gnarly Adventurer
Joined: Apr 2008
Location: Twin Cities
Oddometer: 186
Super Ten VS Stroms and the 800 Tiger
I have owned both the 1000 and the 650 DL`s. I just bought my Super T this past week. Its been hard to park. I did my break in miles in two days. I have a trip planned tomorrow with my girl and her riding her DL 650..
Its apples and oranges really. The DL`s are budget minded. Cheap suspensions , Brakes , Final drive chain etc... The Stroms have been updated once for the 1000 and once for the 650 in the last Ten years.
The Super Ten is everything the DL`s aren't . As far as the Tiger 800 goes its great as a middle weight ridden it twice but feels small with little wind protection but the triple is zippy.
I found the bike that was just right The Super T.
Beastly Adventurer
Joined: May 2008
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Oddometer: 4,427
If you love curvy roads, then a smaller engine might suit you better than a bigger one. It's not just the bike's total weight, it is also the rotating masses inside the engine, that make a bigger bike less willing to change direction. Just physics, but something that is often overlooked.
About long-distance comfort you really will have to find out for yourself, just way too many personal things there to give one answer. Most bikes can be modified to suit you - and few bikes are spot on for everybody out of the box.
Beastly Adventurer
Joined: Nov 2005
Location: Gold Coast
Oddometer: 2,793
I own a 2012 DL 650. Between the new DL 650 and the S10, the DL 650, the only downside it has is suspension which can be fixed easilly and cheaply.
However, between the DL 1000 and the S10, the S10. The DL 1000 has too many quirks.
Joined: Jun 2013
Location: adelaide aust
Oddometer: 89
Your right i am sensetive to comfort , my rocket never fit , i lowerered that , put risers on , touring seat and riders backrest , now i can do hundreds of klm 's day after day .. Its just that with 650 engine i don't really think its going to be suitable for the long hauls i do two , three times a year , plus the countless 3-400 klm days i do regular .
If the tenere is , a better off road bike than the v strom that would be great ,, because like i said its the adventure riding , finding these side trails and tracks that i'm really enjoying .. But if its a pig on the road in the twisties , i would be disapointed because thats where i am really really enjoying the v strom , it handles them better than the bonneville i traded for it , .
If the tenere is the same and also a comfortable tourer i would be rapped and found my perfect bike, but unfortunatly my local dealer does'nt have a demo , by the way if i got the tenere i would spend on the comfort
The v strom could be made comfortable like any bike could , its just that it will never for me be a tourer especielly, 2 up fully loaded , hitting the freeways with road trains you have to pass ,
The rocket tourer i have is probably king of the beast for me any way , and nothing will have the power -comfort that thing has got , but i still like the idea of one bike , .
Thanks for your opinion , and the opinions of everyone else , you learn by asking questions , and if it does'nt happen i'll stick with the 2 bikes , , at least until i get a lot more proficeint at dirt riding , then being the obsesive personality type of bloke , i'll probably want a trail bike that can handle the simpson desert , ,
Enjoying the moment
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: Tracy, CA
Oddometer: 2,779
I currently own a Tenere and a DL1000 and agree with the general thoughts around here, that in many ways the Tenere feels like an upgraded strom. But, they are different and what some point out as shortcomings on the strom are differences that can be a plus.
One of the biggest is the way they deliver power IN STOCK FORM. The Tenere has a super smooth torque curve and enough power if you ask for it, but isn't close to being as responsive as the strom twin is. While I put far more miles on the Tenere, getting back on the strom gives me that hooligan like feeling as I twist the grip WFO and bring the Rs into the powerband. One can argue dyno charts and practicality all day long, but the Tenere couldn't match that feeling, and I missed that. Well now I'm on my second ECU flash on the Tenere and all of that has changed, and comparing it to my Strom with powercommander and secondaries removed they feel about the same on top with the Tenere being far superior in the bottom end.
Some of the other differences that are neutral , the seating position on the Tenere is roomier, which I like for distance, but I prefer the strom in tight corners, being closer to the handlebars and getting my weight over the front end.
The strom turns in quicker, not night and day, but noticeable. I doubt it would make much of a difference in "lap Times" as you simply countersteer the Tenere with a little more input to equal the effect, but it's a feel thing. That slower steering sure does add stability on loose surfaces though. Which is better?
I've uprgaded my brakes on the strom to the 4 pot calipers and would say the braking is similar to the Tenere. I've heard numerous reviews that say the Teneres are better than the upgraded stroms, but I wonder if part of what they are feeling is the fact the Tenere is linking your rear brake when you pull the front lever. So remember if you are comparing you need to be fairly aggressive with the rear on the strom to really feel a similar braking.
That being said the Tenere has completely changed my opinion 180 degrees on ABS and TC. It's just that good. Everything I'd tried until now felt like it got in my way during hard riding and I thought was band aids for noobs, this new stuff is in an entirely different league.
So for what I do the Tenere is the better of the two bikes if I had to choose one, but I don't. And for now I like having both. I guess I don't see it quite as black and white as most as the Strom still has some things going for it.
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I have owned a DL1000 (55KM), currently own a ST10 (34km), and a 08 dl650 (just assembled, more on the blog)
You mentioned that off road does not concern you. I had a chance to ride a friend 2012 650 and really enjoy the bike. We installed some lowering pegs on his (1") and it made all the difference. His complaint is the stock seat. He says that about after an hour, he's in pain.
Road duty, winner hands down went to my dl1000. Not because of power (dl1000 vs ST10 are close, but they delivery it differently) My corbin seat on the dl was amazing, I could sit in the damn thing for 800-1000km days without issue, something I still struggle to do on my ST (sargent seat, tried the corbin and hated it).
The ST flat out works everywhere, at an incredible pace. I just finished up a 2700 km solo road trip, taking in stuff I really should not have, and it did well.
If off road sections are your thing, nothing Japanese comes close to it. Yes the 950/990/1190 KTM could spank it up and down the street, but I don't think they are as reliable. When the gravel ends, you can keep going at a faster pace still, and never break a sweat.
I think if I were you I would try a few different things on the 2012 650 before trading in. Try the lowering pegs, they make a huge difference, my friend has a vario screen on his that does a great job of managing the air.
hope this helps,
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i'm in the boat
I'm in the decision matrix having recently sold the 04 Weestrom which bike I rode more miles than any other I have had. but it was time to turn a page.
Personally I will make no decision until I get all the dope on the New 2014 DL1000, or whatever they end up naming it. the mentions of certain goals [by the engineers or 'team' members] is very hopeful to me and the spy shots indicate a new frame stem to stern.
spoke with one dealer today and a potential bottleneck is simply the very lousy year that all dealers seem to be having: lots of inventory in the pipeline moving sluggishly but Suzuki less so than others since they curtailed production seriously twice in recent years. seems that March 2014 would be the outside date for at least having specs and orderability.
to me its entirely possible that the new could come in no heavier than the current DL650 [2013], which is too heavy for a 650 imho
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Since 540 inches of big-block need significant breathing accommodations, Shafiroff went with a pair of Dart Pro1 cylinder heads with 325cc runners. The heads were stuffed with 2.30/1.88-inch stainless valves and topped with Comp Pro Magnum rocker arms. The valvetrain takes its orders from a Comp Street Roller solid cam. A Barry Grant 950-cfm Mighty Demon carb is perched atop an OEM L88 intake manifold and works in conjunction with a factory cowl-induction system. MSD supplies the fire to light the fuel with a Pro-Billet distributor, a Blaster coil, and a 6AL box for rev limiting. Burly Hooker 4-inch side pipes with Car Chemistry muffler inserts provide the soundtrack. According to Andrew, "Side pipes on C3 Corvettes were a '69-only option, so I had to have them. It roars like it means business."
Knowing the stock four-speed was probably in over its head with the killer big-block, Andrew took the preemptive step of replacing it with a Tremec TKO five-speed. Hurst provides gear-rowing bliss. A McLeod street twin clutch supplies the hookup, and a Lakewood scattershield is there too, just in case. The stock driveshaft has been replaced by a custom chrome-moly unit, but the stock differential remains, equipped with 3.73 gears.
One thing all predatory species have in common is a high degree of maneuverability, and Andrew's shark is no exception. Though good for its time, the C3 suspension isn't exactly canyon-carving material by today's standards. To remedy this, Andrew began an extensive "down under" modernizing project. A chrome-moly X-bar fortifies the chassis, giving the upgraded suspension a solid foundation from which to do its job. The A-arms were replaced with fabricated square-tube units, and composite mono springs were added. Polyurethane bushings are in place throughout, as are larger sway bars and Bilstein shocks to damp the motion. For now, refurbished stock disc brakes are in place, but plans call for massive 6-piston, 14-inch units in the near future. Andrew chose gigantic Intro 18-inch wheels, so the big brakes will fit without issue. Michelin Pilot Sports provide an enormous contact patch. "This Corvette flies around corners," exclaims Andrew. "The handling is unbelievable; it stays perfectly flat."
Containing the huge wheel-and-tire package would present a problem for the stock wheel openings, so Andrew found some correct-style L88 race flares to do the job. To complement the widened stance, he added a functional L88 hood. The headlight and windshield-wiper doors have been updated to electronic movement. He also added a Le Mans fuel-filler cap to the rear deck to further establish the race-car influence.
When the time came to choose paint for the project, Andrew's decision was an easy one. "There were many yellow ZL1 Corvette replicas in the United States already, and of course I wanted to be different. I wanted to build the big, bad brother of the second white-and-black-striped ZL1 Vette, so [I figured] why not make a replica but invert the colors, using a black body with a white stripe? I had never seen anyone do this." The interior remains factory-original, with only a set of Auto Meters hiding behind a smartly modified radio-delete panel.
Andrew credits Jason Cavenagh and his crew at Classic Fabrications for the majority of the restoration and modification of the car. "There were very few problems with the build, apart from the long wait for parts. He and his team did an unbelievable job in transforming my ideas to reality." While the rest of his list of credits is enough to fill most of this magazine, special thanks need to be extended to his CFO and girlfriend of 10 years, Moanie.
"Though I built this Corvette with racing in mind, I haven't had the chance to take it out on a track yet. The Corvette has stock ACDelco brakes at the moment, and I'm waiting until I can install some big stopping power." Probably a wise choice, considering the big go-power on tap. This hasn't prevented plenty of cruising and showing, however. "The 2006 National Corvette Convention was held over Easter. There, I secured my first trophy for Best Corvette in the 1968-72 'Personal' category and the 'Penrith Panthers Choice' award. It made all the work and wait worthwhile."
"I am a member of Digital Corvettes (an online forum) in the United States. When I showed pictures of my ZL1, the Americans went nuts over it. When I drive the streets, the Corvette is constantly pointed at by kids and adults alike. People with no idea what kind of car it is always compliment it. Drivers swerve in and out of traffic to catch up for a look. There are many pictures taken from cell phones as passengers contort themselves through the window to get a snap. It's just amazing!" And whether or not they recognize the car as a Corvette, these people are smart to keep their distance, 'cuz this shark's got teeth.
Car: '69 Corvette Coupe
Owner: Andy Felton
Block: Donovan D500 aluminum
Pistons: Mahle forged
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Crankshaft: Callies 4340 Dragonslayer
Rods: Eagle 4340 3D steel
Displacement: 540 ci
Heads: Dart Pro1 aluminum, 325 cc
Valves: 2.30/1.88-in severe-duty stainless
Camshaft: Comp custom street roller
Rocker Arms: Comp Pro Magnum, 1.7 ratio
Intake Manifold: Stock L88
Carburetor: BG Mighty Demon
Ignition: MSD Pro-Billet distributor, Blaster coil, & 6AL control
Exhaust System: 211/48-in Hooker headers, 4-in side pipes
Transmission: Tremec TKO five-speed
Clutch: McLeod Street Twin
Suspension: Tubular A-arms, composite mono springs, Bilstein shocks
RearEnd: Stock w/3.73 gears
Brakes: Stock four-wheel discs
Front Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x10
Rear Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x12
Front Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 275/35-18
Rear Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 335/30-18
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The palm oil sector is the largest driver of deforestation in Indonesia and the vast majority of the forest cleared in identified oil palm concessions in Sumatra during 2009–2011 was tiger habitat. The plantation sector is the chief threat to Sumatran tigers, with up to 1 million hectares of prime tigerhabitat already allocated to concessions.
"As the world's biggest player in the palm oil sector, Wilmar has the power to transform the industry. Wilmar needs to commit to a no-deforestation policy, so that U.S. companies can be sure that they're not contributing to rainforest destruction or the death of tigers in Indonesia." Said Moas.
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The University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff is committed to a computing system, which effectively meets the needs of users. The University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff enhances teaching, research, service and activities, which support them, provides computing resources.
Individuals who are granted computing accounts or use computing resources at the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff accept responsibility with such access. Each user is expected to use accounts or resources within the University approved educational, research, or administrative purposes for which they are granted. Activities beyond these stated purposes are strictly prohibited.
A code of computing practices for the University is stated below. Violations of this code will be reviewed through established University judicial and administrative procedures. Actions to restrict computer usage may be challenged through the same procedures.
The above list does not cover every situation that pertains to proper, improper, use of the computing resources at the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff, but it does suggest some of the responsibilities that you accept if you choose to use the University of Arkansas computing resource or the international network access that the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff provides. This code is to work for the benefit of all system users by encouraging responsible use of scarce computing resources.
This policy is subject to change at any time. Occasional review is recommended.
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The primary purpose of this policy is to inform, educate and set expectations for the members of the university community of their individual and corporate responsibilities towards the use of Peer-to-Peer applications using the University's network.
While the definition itself is controversial, generally a peer-to-peer (often referred to as P2P) computer network refers to any network that does not have fixed clients and servers, but a number of peer nodes that function as both clients and servers to the other nodes on the network. This model of network arrangement is contrasted with the client-server model. Any node is able to initiate or complete any supported transaction. Peer nodes may differ in local configuration, processing speed, network bandwidth, and storage quantity. Put simply, peer-to-peer computing is the sharing of computer resources and services by direct exchange between systems.
This policy intends to make it clear that P2P architecture, itself, is not in question. What is a concern, however, is one of the most prevalent uses of this technology, P2P File Sharing applications used for the distribution of copyrighted content. Morpheus, KaZaA, Aimster, Madster, AudioGalaxy and Gnutella, are examples of the kinds of P2P File Sharing software which can be used inappropriately to share copyrighted content. Note, that some of these applications are not pure peer-too-peer architectures, further reinforcing that the issues with File Sharing applications have more to do with risk of abuses, than in the technology itself. Along with copyright infringement, other concerns of P2P File Sharing applications include network resource utilization, security, and inappropriate content. For the purposes of this policy, a Peer-to-peer file sharing application is any application that transforms a personal computer into a server that distributes data simultaneously to other computers.
Downloading or distributing copyrighted material, e.g. documents, music, movies,videos, text, etc., without permission from the rightful owner violates the United States Copyright Act and several university policies. While it is true that a number of artists have allowed their creative works to be freely copied, those artists remain very much the exception. It is best to assume that all works are copyright protected except those that explicitly state otherwise. Copyright laws were enacted to protect the original expression of an idea, whether it is expressed in the form of music, art or written material. A number of rights are given copyright owners by Federal law. These rights include the right to control the reproduction, distribution and adaptation of their work, as well as the public performance or display of their work.
Those who obtain or distribute copyrighted material should be aware that if found liable for copyright infringement, the penalties can be severe, depending upon the amount and the willfulness of the infringing activity. In the most serious and widespread cases of copyright infringement, criminal prosecution is possible. Additionally, students, faculty and staff who may be in violation of copyright law place not only themselves at risk - they may be exposing University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff to liability as an institution, for contributory or vicarious infringement, e.g., using the University network resources to obtain the material and/or to store the material on University computers and/or servers.
The impact to UAPB's Network with Peer-to-peer file sharing applications typically allow a user to set up their computer so that other people can access specific files on their computer. This process, in effect, converts the user's computer into a server. While this might seem like a nice service to offer, there are some serious drawbacks. First, running an unauthorized server from a university building is a violation of the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff Network Use Policy. Also, when a user's computer is acting as a server, it can place an enormous burden on UAPB's network. If the computer/server is popular and does excessive, high-volume transfers of files, this single computer/server can severely impact the performance of UAPB's network.
Transferring large movie or music files may overload the network and degrade services. Transferring large files can slow the network making it less responsive or even unavailable to users. Excessive network traffic can be generated, adversely affecting performance for other users. In addition, P2P traffic-along with the various worms that infect the Windows OS – consume a huge proportion of network bandwidth.
It is the policy of UAPB that the university's network connections may not be used to violate copyright laws. The unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted materials is a serious violation of UAPB's Code of Computing Policy, as well as the U.S. Copyright Laws, as discussed above.
UAPB has placed into effect a limit on the inbound and outbound traffic generated by Peer-to-Peer file-sharing applications. This restriction is necessary to support the primary usage of the network:
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UAPB takes a strong stand against unlawful distribution of copyrighted music, movies and software. If a student is found to be distributing copyrighted material using any University computing resources, that person's network connection will be terminated. If the user* provides or obtains copyrighted files (music, videos, text, etc.) without permission from the copyright owner or their representative, the user is in violation of federal and state copyright laws and the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff Code of Computing Policy.
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Florida man is charged with contempt of court and jury tampering and faces 6 months in jail for sharing information near a courthouse about the right of jury nullification (the right of a jury to decide the correctness of the law as well as whether or not someone violated that law). [There is no law that prohibits providing this information outside the courthouse, only a decree issued by the same judge who now will hear the case against the man. The judge decreed that the only place information can be shared is in a so-called free-speech zone a football field away from the courthouse.] Activist Post 2012 Jan 13
India implements a nationwide biometric ID program for its 1.2 billion residents to be used for payments in trade. It is a first step toward a cashless society. The governments claims it only wants to prevent identity theft and welfare fraud. Activist Post 2012 Jan 12
Disgusting video of US Marines urinating on Afghan corpses goes viral and has become a 'recruitment tool for the Taliban.' DailyMail 2012 Jan 12
In 1993, a filmmaker videotaped a soldier at a military base that teaches demolition. Later, he discovered that it was Timothy McVeigh who was executed for blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building in 1995. This film was shot a year after the government said McVeigh had left the military. [It is another piece of evidence that the official story about McVeigh is false and that, in spite of the fact that he was portrayed in the media as a right-wing nut who hated America, actually was a government operative with top-secret assignments.] Prison Planet 2012 Jan 12
Iranian nuclear scientist is assassinated by a car bomb. Iran blames the Israeli Mossad, the CIA, and Britain's spy agencies in this latest death. There have been 4 other killings of scientists linked to nuclear development since early 2009. Israeli military warns Iran to expect more 'unnatural events' in 2012. DailyMail 2012 Jan 12
US: Dept. of Agriculture is covering up research that points to Bayer pesticide as the cause of global bee die-offs. NaturalSociety 2012 12
US: Here is a resolution by the Republican National Committee against United Nations Agenda 21, which is a plan for wealth redistribution, confiscation of private property, and loss of national sovereignty. [It's a great resolution. Now if only the top Republicans would DO something other than pass resolutions.]
RNC posted 2012 Jan 12
Greek austerity measures (resulting from excessive government debt and systemic bank fraud) are so severe that some parents are abandoning their children because they cannot afford to feed and care for them. DailyMail 2012 Jan 11
US: Warren Buffett offers to match any voluntary donation to help pay down the national debt made by any Republican member of Congress. This is in response to a Republican-sponsored bill to provide that option on the income-tax form. Buffet says they are merely grandstanding to look good. [We agree, but so is he.] Time 2012 Jan 11
US: The Dept. of Transportation is being sued by the Electronic Frontier Foundation for ignoring Freedom-of-Information requests about drones used to spy and track Americans. RawStory 2012 Jan 11
California: Obama's Dept. of Justice is cracking down on legal marijuana dispensaries. The struggle between California and the Feds is heating up. Libertarian News 2012 Jan 11
Ron Paul, after placing second in the New Hampshire primary, says he and his supporters have had a great victory because they no longer can be ignored. They are dangerous to the status-quo candidates and to the Federal Reserve.
YouTube 2012 Jan 10
US: The Dept. of Agriculture approves Monsanto genetically modified corn that is said to be drought resistant despite over 45,000 people who publicly opposed it on grounds of environmental and health safety. Only 23 comments were received in favor. [Clearly, the government is more responsive to Monsanto than to public opinion.]
NaturalSociety 2012 Jan 10
US: Federal appeals court blocks Oklahoma from insisting that only American laws be considered in state courts. The ruling opens up the possibility that Muslim Sharia law or international law may be used instead. [Two things are wrong with this: (1) The Federal government has no authority to tell the states (which are the creators of the federal government) what laws they must use, and (2) the states and the federal government are bound to their own constitutions, which are the foundation of American law. Any other law is beyond the power of their creation and existence.] MSNBC 2012 Jan 10
US: The Department of Homeland Security now spies on journalists, political figures, bloggers, and literally anyone else who offers news or opinion to the public. [This has nothing to do with terrorism but is for identifying anyone who publicly opposes the policies of those in power. That is the hallmark of totalitarianism.] The Blaze 2012 Jan 9
The UN has added dozens of new proposals for totalitarian world government based on the myth of global warming. This is the final "to-do" list of global elitists who intend to rule every human on the planet — and soon. WattsUpWithThat 2012 Jan 9
US: The Supreme Court is hearing a precedent-setting case on property rights and EPA overreach. Several justices have heavily criticized the EPA's lack of authority, overzealous actions, and astronomical fines. The Blaze 2012 Jan 9
Texas: Many schools now employ security guards as police to patrol corridors and lunch rooms. They issue tickets and even arrest kids for dropping papers or crumbs. Why is the state criminalizing normal childhood behavior? Guardian 2012 Jan 9
US: The Department of Commerce reportedly is preparing to require all Americans to obtain an Internet ID. Eventually, it would be a crime to have a web site, publish remarks, or even send emails without one. Fox News 2012 Jan 8
Former CIA terror specialist, Michael Scheuer, explains why Ron Paul's foreign policy is strong and why a stop to meddling into the affairs of other nations would lead to a reduction of the threat of terrorism to the US. YouTube 2012 Jan 8
Iran and Russia have dropped the US dollar for trade and are using their own national currencies instead. This is a forceful response to US sanctions against Iran. Fox News 2012 Jan 7
New Hampshire debate: Ron Paul tells Newt Gingrich he is as a chickenhawk and says those who have never served in the military should be prevented from sending others off to war.
YouTube 2012 Jan 7
US: Alex Jones presents the case for believing that the government is attempting to reduce the population through the deliberate addition of toxic elements to food, water, and everyday products. Chemical additives and genetic manipulation of food also are aimed at reducing fertility and, thus, a reduction in birth rates. YouTube Posted 2012 Jan 7
EU now requires airlines to pay tax for carbon emission from jet engines. This will generate $326 million in new revenue, which is the reason for the tax, not a reduction in emissions. Passengers will pay this tax in the form of higher rates. China says it will not participate [but it will].
Raw Story Posted 2012 Jan 7
Obama indicates he is planning to give Russia US missile-defense secrets. Fox News Posted 2012 Jan 7
Antidepressants cause arteries to thicken 400% more than aging. This places those on antidepressant drugs at substantially higher risk of heart attack and stroke. NaturalSociety Posted 2012 Jan 7
Obama launches new "job-opportunity" program to create 179,000 new jobs, most of which will be unpaid. [It is not the function of the state to create jobs. By doing so, it interferes with the free market and, in the long run, destroys jobs while, at the same time, increasing taxes to sustain the program.]
The Hill Posted 2012 Jan 7
Judge Napolitano on Fox News asks hard questions about the mirage of the American two-party system. [Bravo! But this could get the Judge fired. Journalism at its best.]
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RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - The Virginia Senate has passed legislation making it illegal for adults to smoke with kids in the car.
The vote on Sen. Ralph Northam's bill was 30-10. It now goes to the House of Delegates, which historically is less receptive to such restrictions.
The Norfolk Democrat is a pediatric neurologist. He said on the Senate floor Thursday that second-hand smoke can contribute to a variety of health problems in children, including sudden infant death syndrome.
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People queued up at a cinema concession stand.
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Memphis Welcomes East Carolina for its Final Regular-Season Series
Five U of M seniors will be honored pregame Sunday
Memphis Wins 13-Inning Marathon against Southern Miss, 3-1
Ellen Roberts throws school record 13 innings with 13 Ks and drives in game-winning run
Tigers Host Southern Miss for Three-Game Series at the Tiger Softball Complex
Tigers Travel to Houston for Three-Game Series
Memphis Travels to Samford for Midweek Doubleheader
Memphis vs East Carolina (DH)
Memphis vs East Carolina on May 5, 2012 at the Tiger Softball Complex. Photos by Joe Murphy
2012 Memphis Softball Senior Day
Memphis Softball senior day against East Carolina on May 6, 2012.
Memphis vs Alcorn State
Memphis softball vs Alcorn State on April 10, 2012 at the Tiger Softball Complex. All photos by Joe Murphy
Career Highlights
Became the first Memphis player to earn Conference USA Hitter of the Week honors on April 13, 2009 after the Tigers swept a three-game series with Houston ... Is fourth all-time with two runners picked off.
2012 (Senior)
Saw limited time on the field for the Tigers ... made 12 appearances and three starts, one at catcher.
2011 (Junior)
Played in 30 games making 13 starts at catcher and one as the designated player ... Held the highest fielding percentage on the team (1.000) and was third in putouts (96) ... Had the third highest batting average (.306) on the team ... Registered four multiple hit games and three multi-RBI contests ... Went 1-for-2 with a walk in a 3-2 victory over Kentucky ... Drove in five runs in two starts behind the plate against UTEP ... In game two of that series, hit her second career home run, and first since 2009, to go along with three RBI ... Went 2-for-3 with a double, two RBI and a career-high two runs scored in the finale ... Earned a career-high two walks in the series finale against Tulsa ... Made a career-high 18 putouts in the first game against Alabama State ... Went 1-for-3 with a run scored in an 8-0 victory over Tennessee State and had 14 putouts ... Went 2-for-3 with a double, a run scored and a run batted in against Arkansas ... Finished 3-for-3 with two RBI and a home run in a 4-1 victory over Southern Miss ... Went 3-for-4 in Memphis' first ever appearance in the NCAA Regional ... Collected a pinch hit against No. 2 Alabama ... Went 2-for-3 with an RBI in the second game against Chattanooga.
2010 (Sophomore)
Played in 16 of 51 games with three starts ... Had two starts at catcher and one as the designated player ... Made 13 pinch hit appearances and was 1-for-11 as a pinch hitter (.111) with one RBI ... Made her first start of the season at catcher against IPFW ... Had her first hit of the season against UCF in game one of a doubleheader as a pinch hitter ... Started as the designated player in game two against the Knights and had a sac bunt ... Had an RBI walk as a pinch hitter in game two of a doubleheader with Mississippi Valley State ... Walked in a pinch hit appearance in game one against Marshall ... Started at catcher against Alabama State in the first game of a doubleheader and knocked in the game-winning run ... Also scored a run and had 15 putouts.
2009 (Freshman)
Played in 38 of 52 games for Memphis with 33 starts ... Made 31 starts at catcher and two as the designated player ... Hit .262 with six doubles, 12 RBI and six runs scored ... Threw out six steal attempts and had two pickoffs ... Had five multiple hit games and two multiple RBI games ... Longest hitting streak of the season was four games ... Made her collegiate debut as a pinch hitter against South Alabama ... Started her first career game at catcher against Alcorn State and had a run scored and an RBI ... Collected her first collegiate hit on a double against Buffalo ... Hit a two-run double against Kennesaw State and scored the game-winning run ... Went 1-for-3 against Miami (OH) ... Went 1-for-3 with an RBI in game one of a doubleheader at Arkansas-Pine Bluff ... Had one hit and a run scored in game two of a doubleheader against Central Arkansas ... Went 2-for-3 with a double and a run scored in the final contest of a three-game series with UTEP ... Had the game-winning RBI against St. John's with a single in the eighth inning ... Went 2-for-3 against Radford ... Doubled against Hawai'i ... Went 2-for-3 in game one of a doubleheader against UT Martin ... Picked off a runner and threw out another on a steal attempt in the double dip ... Doubled in the final game of a series with Marshall ... Earned C-USA Hitter of the Week after going 5-for-7 with five RBI and two runs scored in a three-game sweep of Houston ... Went 2-for-3 with four RBI, a home run and a double in game one against the Cougars ... Also knocked in the game-winning run in the game with her first career home run ... Went 2-for-2 with a run scored in game two ... Went 1-for-2 with a RBI in game three against Houston ... Threw out a runner on a steal attempt against Samford ... Went 1-for-2 in game one of a doubleheader against UCF ... Knocked in an RBI on her first career sacrifice fly in game two of a doubleheader with UAB.
Lettered three years at Tracy High School as a catcher ... Coached by Greg Smith ... A three-year all-area and all-league player, helping Tracy earn the league championship all three years ... Named to the CalHiSports.com All-State second team as a senior ... Participated in the High School All-Star Classic in 2008 held at Pacific University ... Led the San Joaquin Athletic Association in home runs as a senior with eight and had 12 on the season ... Tied for 10th in the state of California in home runs for the season and was in the top 20 in the country ... Hit .613 in the league in 2008, which topped the SJAA, and batted .494 on the season with 41 base hits and 38 RBI ... Led Tracy High School as a junior with a .480 average ... Also led the team in hits (47), doubles (9), walks (16) and shared the lead in triples (3) ... Named the San Joaquin Athletic Association's Offensive Most Valuable Player ... Knocked in 29 RBI and had three home runs during junior season, and her five strikeouts were the fewest among Tracy hitters with at least 15 at-bats.
Played travel ball with the All-American Sports Academy.
Full name is Nicole Christine Moreno ... Daughter of Mario and Tina Moreno ... Major is communications.


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If all you heard about the September 2011 Employment Situation released this past Friday from traditional media and stock market reports that the market closed up you would conclude that the employment situation was just hunky dory. But if we were given some context about September's job number we would realize that it's just another weak report and another indication that the 'New Normal' will be very painful for most families.
Context matters particularly in terms of economic data. Bureau of Labor Statistics released the September Employment Situation last friday. The main story from the report were 103,000 jobs created in September and 9.1% unemployment which was unchanged from August. Sounds positive but there is more information - troubling information that was excluded from most traditional media's analysis of the release. One huge omission from news reports was that 103,000 jobs included 45,000 returning Verizon workers who were on strike in August so if excluded those jobs then the economy only generated 56,000 new jobs. Oh, but there's more.
Economic Policy Institute has been providing some very important analysis and context for the monthly job reports. This is what they said about Friday's report:
The U.S. is currently 6.6 million jobs below where it was when the recession started. But because the working-age population grows as the population expands, in the three years and nine months since the recession started we needed to have added around 4.5 million jobs to keep the unemployment rate from rising. Putting these numbers together means the current gap in the labor market is roughly 11.1 million jobs. To fill that gap in three years—by Fall 2014—while still keeping up with the growth in the working-age population—would require adding around 400,000 jobs every single month. To fill the gap in five years—by Fall 2016—would mean adding 280,000 jobs each month. By comparison, over the last three months, the economy added just 96,000 jobs per month on average. At this rate, the unemployment rate will not come down.
Wow, 400,000 jobs per month! We're not even close to that. The jobs hole is very deep and weak job growth as reported on Friday will help very little. Even future prospects for significant job and economic growth appear very bleak especially with more talk of austerity at federal, state and local levels.
Oh, but wait there's even more context that was missing from traditional media reports:
Not to mention that the unemployment rate held steady at 9.1% - a relatively high number.
Want more context? Let's not stop with just the employment situation. What household incomes? High unemployment provides downward pressure on wages and incomes. So it should not be a surprise when we read or hear about reports like this:
Between June 2009, when the recession officially ended, and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent, to $49,909, according to a study by two former Census Bureau officials. During the recession — from December 2007 to June 2009 — household income fell 3.2 percent.
Welcome to the New Normal! This is going to be painful. But it doesn't have to be this way. There are alternatives/solutions to this New Normal.
Good luck.
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May 9, 2005 10:55 AM PDT
Deadly delay on Vonage 911?
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Raising alarms about 911 over Net phonesApril 8, 2005
The family's complaint, reported last week on a Florida TV news station, comes just days before U.S. telephone regulators are likely to force Vonage and all other Net phone operators to dramatically improve their emergency calling services.
Cheryl Waller of Deltona, Fla., a recent convert to Vonage, told WESH-Channel 2 that in March she dialed 911 to get help when her daughter, Julia, stopped breathing, but instead heard a recorded voice informing her that the sheriff's department's administrative offices were closed. The few seconds it took for Waller to run to a neighbor's to get help may have cost Julia her life, she told the TV station.
Waller's complaint is similar to one Vonage faces in Texas, where a lawsuit filed by state Attorney General Greg Abbott claims that the operator misleads subscribers about the reliability of its 911 service, a claim Vonage denies. The suit was filed after an incident in March in which a Houston teenager using Vonage service allegedly encountered problems connecting to a 911 dispatcher after her parents were shot during a robbery. Soon thereafter, the Federal Communications Commission laid the framework for stricter Net phone 911 rules that are scheduled to be unveiled on May 19, according to several sources.
Concern generated by the events in Houston and Florida highlights potential problems with the circuitous route Net phone 911 calls actually take. Rather than putting callers through directly to a dispatcher, the service sometimes redirects them to the dispatch center's administrative offices, which typically are closed. Another drawback is that Net phone 911 calls are not accompanied by the caller's address and phone number.
"We are starting to get a lot of these calls on nonemergency lines," an emergency services dispatcher wrote after signing a petition the Wallers created to urge lawmakers to force Vonage and other Net phone operators to fix their 911 problems.
The problem for Net phone operators, which lets Internet connections double as home phone lines, is mainly one of access to the nation's 911 infrastructure, which is owned by the four giant local phone companies known as the Bells. The situation appears to be quickly resolving itself, however, because the Bells have begun striking access deals with Vonage in the last few weeks.
In an interview last week before news of the Florida girl's death surfaced, Vonage Chief Financial Officer John Rego said that as a result of the new FCC rules, Net phone operators will likely have until the end of the year to have a fully functioning 911 service.
"That's a little aggressive," Rego said. "It took cellular operators 10 years to get there."
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- Don't people read the warnings?
- You know what amazes me about the people who complain that Vonage and other VOIP are costing lives, is that VOIP's inadequacies are well documented - the last time i looked at a VOIP box in staples, or on vonage's or att CallVantage's website, it says how limited 911 service is available, do not use VOIP for emergency services, etc.. What more do people want? Its unfortuante that vonage is getting the brunt of this because its not like its a dirty secret, its a flaw which is out in the open. Its similar to cell phones in the early 90s - 911 sometimes worked, sometimes it didnt, how come people didnt blame Bell Atlantic (Precurser to Verizon) or Cellular One (Precurser to Cingular)? People are just so stupid, and its the people who are doing their jobs (employees of vonage) that get the bad rap.
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- I don't get it...
- I personally have Vonage service. When I signed up earlier this year it was made blatently clear that 911 support must first be activated by the user and even then it is not gauranteed effective. I mean, they had ALL CAPS in red letters blaring it out to the user in the contract. Then it's repeated on your dashboard. It's also in the FAQs before you even sign up.
It seems to me that Vonage is making every effort they can to improve their service but people look for any excuse to extort money these days. What the hell. It's time people take responsibility for themselves and quit looking for a scapegoat.
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- Deep Pockets, More Suits To Follow
- When bad things happen to people, they look for someone to blame. If the blame can be put on a party with deep pockets, all the better. These kinds of VoIP lawsuits are exactly what I predicated back in March when the Texas case appeared. More and more of these lawsuits will be brought because unlike POTS, there are just too many ways for the VoIP technology to fail, from a simple power outage to a denail of service. Remember when Comcast had that nationwide DNS failure a few weeks ago?
Unless Congress grants some sot of liability exemption to the VoIP providers, or limits damages, this business will only be provided by Telcos who can offer backup wired POTS service.
They Can't/Won't Guarantee 911 Service
Posted by: Keith J.
Posted on: March 23, 2005, 12:36 AM PST
Story: Texas sues Vonage over 911 problem
Vonage and other VoIP providers can't and won't guarantee that their 911 and regular service will continue to function in the event of things like power failure, router failure, ISP failure, denial of service, etc. Take a look at paragraphs 1.4 and paragraph 2 (very lengthy) of the terms of service. Vonage indemnifies themselves from any damage resulting in loss of 911 access while using their service.
Bottom line is that VoIP companies are not phone companies, so don't expect the same level of service, because you're not paying for it and it's not required by law. They are classified as information providers.
My prediction: More VoIP subscriber damage lawsuits to follow.
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- Forcing the wrong group
- Instead of "forcing" Vonage to correct it's 911. Why not require the Baby Bells to open up their 911 databases to the VOIP provider. Of course, they should be able to charge an appropriate fee for the access.
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- No cell phone?
- Am I elitist to think that you have to be somewhat technologically sophisicated to have broadband and VOIP? I thought this was still somewhat cutting edge.
Why on earth would you have a technology that doesn't have 911 functionality and doesn't work during a power outtage (in Florida, no less) without some kind of safety net?
I've got an eleven-month-old, so it physically hurts for me to hear of someone losing someone so little, but I hardly understand how they can really blame anyone but themselves.
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- Packet8 VoIP has Enhanced 911
- I have Packet8 and they have enhanced 911 which goes right through to the 911 call center and pop-ups up a dispay to the call center with address info of where the call is coming from. It's only a couple of dollars a month extra.
If you want more details.
http://www.packet8.net/about/e911.asp
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- Vonage Forum User Have a Different View
- Readers of the Vonage VoIP Forum http://www.vonage-forum.com have a different point of view.
In this thread:
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic5689.html
they claim: "The lawsuits, if presented before a jury with half a brain among them will go nowhere."
"Vonage clearly warns people that 911 service may not go to an emergency PSAP in most locations."
Others go on to say here:
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic5562.html
"****, he has GOT to be kidding us! Vonage takes you by the hand and leads you through the 911 procedure and constantly tells you "Hey, this isn't normal E911" in big red letters on your screen."
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- bang your head
- on my pda @ shorty's In seatown.... we bang our heads .for peace of mind.... and then these real special political types come along... and give out jobs... and send us packing... oh chris! we killed someone'.. bombs away.. '
i rcmembcr when all the irc servers banned aol addresses... ha! aloha steve..
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- Reguardless...
- ...of what the contract says, VoIP providers are providing telephone service, so they are in fact telephone companies. And because they are telephone companies, then they should be regulated just like a telco, including having reliable E911 service.
Quite frankly, I don't care if you disagree with me or not, but in an emergancy situation, you see the phone, you pick it up, you dial 911. Perhaps people did read the contract, but in a life-death situation, the terms of a contract is the furthest thing from people's minds when they are trying to get help whether police, fire, or medical. When people become hysterical, rational thought goes out the window.
Am I being hardnosed about this? Yes I am. My point is if you provide any type of telephone service, then you need to have a system in place to handle emergency calls...*BEFORE* you start providing service.
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- For a utility, yes
- Vonage is not a "utility" in the absolute sense of the word. It's an "alternative".
I can talk to people across the country in an Xbox live voice chatroom. More or less the same concept of Vonage. You don't see people suing Microsoft for not having 911 service.
Hell, you could set up a nationwide network of tin cans attached to strings for all I care. The idea of communicating with others remains the same. If you want the security of 911, keep your landline.
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- Vonage users: test it
- I was at my local police station to report a crime. While I was
there I asked the 911 dispatcher (she was leaving her shift) how
to test my 911. She said call the non emergency police number
to let them know you will be calling. No big deal for them.
I did (it got me the sheriffs office) and when I dialed 911 on
Vonage, I did not get dispatch but the local sheriffs office (yep
same one, versus city police where I live). The sheriff said "if you
call in an emergency, we will simply transfer you right away to
the city 911 to take the call." They answer 24 hours a day.
It was great to know what will happen. It is NOT 911 but it is the
cops and they will come as long as you can say your name and
address. If you call and the sheriff is not 24 hours and cannot
transfer, I would get a cell phone or POTS land line again.
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- Vonage Terms of Service are very clear
- When you sign up for Vonage, it is very clear that 911 dialing is NOT automatic. When you "activate" 911 dailing, it is very clear that it is NOT the same as traditional 911 dialing. They inform you many, many times. This is just another crazy example of the "blame someone else" society.
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- Maybe we don't want 911 service
- As has been stated before, Vonage is very up front about its ability to provide 911 service to its subsribers.
What is next? We can't sell ladders because someone--in their infinite wisdom--has determined that someone may fall off of one and hurt themselves?
Why don't you have the government make all your decisions for you?
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- The cynic in me says...
- the Bells are putting people up to making a big hoopla over this. They knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed up and chose to ignore it. My only sympathy is for the child for having such reckless parents. Vonage is not to blame, the parents are!
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- Vonage and 911
- I simple cannot believe that morons are so stupid that they do not have a list of telephone numbers of the police department, medical services, etc., and totally depend on 911.
I do not even want 911 on my Vonage service ... that is not what I pay for. Daniel H
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- Devil's Advocate
- I am a former Vonage customer who has a suggestion for Vonage and other VOIP providers. And, I have some criticism for those who criticize Cheryl Waller ... not to mention the John family who's own dangerous situation prompted the Texas State Attorney General to file suit against Vonage under the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
First, I went through the same signup that everyone else did when they became Vonage customers. My signup was back in 2003. And when I signed up, I was told that calls were routed to a PSAP where I would have to verify my address ... and that this was the only difference between their service and traditional 911 service. I was never, at any time, given the impression that I'd reach a recording at a sheriff's non-emergency number (as Waller did) ... nor was I given the impression I'd reach a Vonage recording saying the call could not be completed (as the John family did). In short, in all cases, I was given the impression I'd reach a human being and would merely have to jump through one additional hoop of address verification that traditional 911 callers didn't have to jump through.
The suggestion I have for Vonage is this. First, many callers are drawn to VOIP for business reasons. A portable phone that can be plugged into any ethernet port in any hotel/motel is very attractive. But many callers are drawn to VOIP with the explicit intention of using it in their homes ... with no plans to transport the converter box from one location to another. The former group of people generally neither need nor want e911 capabilities. The latter group of people generally do want them. The solution? Offer two tiers of service ... one with NO 911 capabilities whatsoever and one with e911 capabilities ... both clearly advertised as such ... and let the market choose the tier they're looking for.
One other thing, specifically to those who chastise Waller. She has not sued Vonage nor does she intend on suing them. She's not looking for money, she's looking for change. If you go back to WESH-TV's original story on the matter, you'll notice that Waller specifically indicates that the blame for this problem is 'shared' blame ... both by Vonage and by the FCC. Other comments I've read in other forums echo this sentiment. The FCC knew these kinds of situations would come up a long time ago but chose to do nothing about it. If anything, they should have mandated the 2-tier service idea a LONG LONG time ago ... to satisfy the business customer who never uses 911 on a business telephone ... and to satisfy the home customer who expects to reach a human being when their lives or the lives of loved ones necessitate a call to 911.
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- vonage are murderers. the problem with their 911 service is in as small of print as one can get. they brag @ saving tons of $, but don't tell u that u r risking your life to save pennies!!!!!!
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- the disclaimer that vonage puts in their ads is so small that you'd need a magnifing glass to read it. anyone stupid enough to risk their lives by using vonage are getting what they pay for: bad service.
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