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Posted: 8/08/2011 5:05 PM EST
oily dust, some flaking, and odor
It's been almost a year after Demilec Sealection 500 was sprayed in my attic. We have a finished office built out in part of the attic but about 2/3rd of attic is unfinished.
The unfinished portion (and to a small degree the finished portion) still has the much-discussed very strong sweet irritating odor that makes your throat raw and makes you cough -- I'm more "sore throat/closed sinuses (and then raging sinus infection)" and my assistant is more "cough/bronchitis" from it. Yes, it will irritate the bronchial tubes and cause extra mucus. You can get that from the smell.
I vented the whole attic, finished and unfinished portions, all last fall until the temps really dropped and have had to start venting again even though humidity is very high. If attic windows are closed and the roof vent fan is off, the smell comes right back. I am now closing off the finished portion to vent it separately because I see now that the odor can invade that space and be absorbed. Ick on the half shell.
Next issue, the items stored in the unfinished space over the winter (after I stopped venting) now have an oily fine dust all over them. This dust is not present in the built-out area. Is this dust "safe" or should I not store items in the attic? I am trying to cover everything and keep my kid out of there.
Also, there are flakes of insulation on the items that were stored in the winter, about 6 months after spraying. The attic was vacuumed after spraying before anything was stored so the flakes are new. It is possible that the flakes are from overspray on some of the wood but I can't be sure.
My installer has checked with others and hasn't heard of these problems. As to odor, a family member of his was sensitive to the odor for several months after he sprayed his house but it subsided within a year. Mine has not subsided.
I was wary of the foam so I KEPT the vertical roof vent fan in place, had a pipe extended from the fan to six feet above the attic floor, had it insulated with conventional insulation and keep a plastic bag over the vent pipe with a pillow stuffed into the bottom when I'm not trying to vent the attic. So I can get new air into the attic fairly quickly if I have to but humidity and heat can be a problem in Alabama for a lot of the year.
Is my first step to get an air quality test in the attic or call Demilec? Or both?
I see suggestions on the forum to paint over the insulation to try to stop the smell. Has anyone tried this? Has it worked? What odor abatement has worked, short of removal? Would like for those who've had the problems addressed successfully to write in. I see concerns but not as many reports of fixes. Help.
Many thanks to all.
Posted: 8/09/2011 8:57 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
First you need to determine what is causing the odor. I have seen sprayfoam that continued to have an odor a year after it was sprayed. If the foam is causing the odor, it may be a small portion of it that is causing it. A thorough inspection by a trained sprayfoam inspector can help determine if it is the foam and provide recommentations for remediation. In the worst case, the foam might need to be removed.
I am not familiar with foam "flaking" so I suspect that is something other than the foam. I would have to see it to know what you are referring to.
Indoor air quality tests can be performed, however, the sprayfoam odors are caused by the catalysts in the foam. It is very difficult to isolate and detect catalyst molecules in air sampling. But, the air sampling might be able to determine if other air quality issues are in play.
You should be in contact with the contractor about this issue. Notify him in writing about the problem and ask for his response in writing. Sprayfoam odors are usually the result of an application error rather than a formula problem. Copy the supplier with the notificiation and request their assistance in determining if it is a sprayfoam problem.
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Posted: 8/09/2011 3:24 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Thank you. I looked on the sprayfoam site for a listing of trained sprayfoam inspectors but didn't see it. Is there a directory?
The flakes are foam. Some "flakes" are chunk-sized and they are big enough to be readily identifiable. I am hoping that they are pieces of overspray or trim falling off the rafters.
I have kept the contractor apprised by email from the start and he's coming back over again to check the odor this week so I have stopped venting for now. He came by in the fall too but thought the odor would abate by now. He hasn't had these problems before so the issues are novel for him.
Will let Demilec know too.
Many, many thanks!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 2:58 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
re: flakes,,,
these may be just some of the residual "drift" from the application...this is the stuff that gets out on the frameing members in a light aerosol like pass not really stickin well,,if you brush up on it it flakes off,,could be,,hmm,,
this stuff can be from a light glaze to a light foam pendin on,,,
...build tight,,ventilate right,,,
hey airpro,,,
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Posted: 8/10/2011 10:36 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
That must be the source of the flakes/chunks. If we hadn't thoroughly vacuumed the attic after the foaming, it would have just mixed with the foam debris on the floor and wouldn't have been noticed. It took a few months to loosen and fall. Thanks!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 9:46 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Check out the thread from the guy in Portland under ask mason about high humity he also has a smell issue. With sealation and there is a link to a vidio about a sealation customer having smell issues in Florida
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:58 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Thanks, I did see those before I posted. I was wondering if any of the suggestions made to those postings worked to abate the situation.
As an update, I emailed Demilec and got a call the next day. D. is going to interview the installer (a sub of the company I contracted with) and will be arranging for a site visit.
I had an electrician in the attic yesterday moving some wiring and he commented on the odor. Some people have better senses of smell than others but this is bridging that gap.
Will update as the process unfolds for the benefit of others who have problems.
Thanks again.
Posted: 8/11/2011 1:43 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
There a couple of us independent accredited sprayfoam inspectors, Roger Morrison and myself. Check with SPFA for others. You can contact Roger at Deer Ridge consulting, and me at firstname.lastname@example.com
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Posted: 8/11/2011 5:09 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Thanks, Mason. Appreciate it!
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Posted: 8/12/2011 2:07 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
good deal on workin wif bid D,,
you will find they are good peeps,,
let us know how things go with the stinky stinky,,
smells are smelly,,,you can never be sure of their origination,,there are so many possiblities that play into the unvented-lid assemblies so it will be interesting to see where this goes,,,
good luck
John P
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Posted: 10/08/2011 8:09 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Oily dust? Flaking? Sounds like you need some head and shoulders. I've seen SPF do some strange things over the years - I cannot say I have ever seen these types of problems.
In all seriousness, the use of SPF in an unvented attic is the most energy efficient, indoor air quality improvement measure you can implement. I am sorry to hear your experiencing problems like this. Demilec, Icynene, BASF, Dow, Bayer...they all make quality products - In an economy like this they have to, to stay in business.
I've been reading a few blog posts here and there about Demilec. I'm sure everyone has seen the video. I can't figure it out. I've sprayed hundreds of thousands of pounds of Demilec for over 5 years and I have never seen these problems.
But I think I know what is going on....
I think there are a lot of angry ex-employees who have left Demilec (cough cough Bud...) who are using the web to drag the Demilec name through the mud. Frankly, I think its ridiculous. Posting fake blogs from names like "stinkyattic". Really? Little do these people realize that attempting to drag one manufacturers name through the mud drags the whole industry down.
While I am a firm believer that much of what I've been reading lately is made up - I do believe some of it is legitimate. But for some reason the liability always falls on the manufacturer. I would like to take a pole of fellow contractors out there. What percentage of you out there believe that the contractor or the manufacturer is to blame when problems like the fore mentioned occur? I would call it 90/10 (contractor / manufacturer).
If & when issues like this pop up we need to point the finger of blame at the likely source - the crappy contractor. No one wants to talk about how much influence the contractor plays in producing a tech data grade end product.
Manufacturer liability should end at triple ensuring their products are being installed by an authorized contractor who is properly trained. Sure, if they make a jacked up product the manufacturer should step up to the plate. As a community, we need to promote "quality influence" and place it on the contractor and shift it away from the manufacturer. Ultimately, it will drive demand for SPF to high quality contractors and not names like Demilec, Icynene, Dow, etc.
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Posted: 10/08/2011 9:42 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
My only challenge with your thinking that these are made up problems is that all the cases have been during hot weather or in hot locations if you wanted to bad mouth one manufacture wouldn't you bring up cases everywhere??
Personally I think these odor problems are a combination of dark colored roofs with high solar gain and less than the needed insulation to control the heat gain through the roof. And with higher attic temps "cooking" (for lack of a better term) the foam causing the smell and or the high humidity these customers are reporting.
The manufacture in question has had a marketing program promoting thinner applications to compete with fiberglass and get higher profits for their contractors. This is why I think they have shown up in these threads, if an R-value of 30+ had been sprayed instead of R-20 or a white roof installed I don't think there would be these complaints.
Just my take
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Posted: 10/08/2011 11:18 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Sorry, I am REAL. I am a single mom whose "hubby" departed when my baby was 13 months old and spent the next 3 years being an SOB in front of the child every chance he got. I used my savings to pay for the installation and foam because it would allow me to avoid putting HVAC into the top floor and buying monthly climate-controlled storage off-site for my business machines. It would save me money in the long run. I am not working to care for my child so the money my ex gives me via the divorce has to stretch. Does that sound real to you yet?
I have only one other time been accused of posting a fraudulent post and that is when my stepd. died when drunk killed her and I posted about how parents should keep their kids off the roads if they are going to buy them alcohol. The parents who buy their kids alcohol accused me of posting a fraudulent post. Talk about insult to injury. So maybe you take it a little easy on the accusations.
Demilec is working with me on the problem. You can call them to confirm. I am a customer of theirs in Vestavia Hills, AL. I can also give you the name of the guy I'm working with there, if you want to PM me. My son has asthma so I can't let this issue with the offgassing go.
And, by the way, I don't think you work for Demilec (which is the easy assumption since you are doubting the veracity of folks who post about problems) because the company was responsive to my first contact. Granted, I haven't heard from the company again but the contractor I used is very ill and I understand that they are waiting on him to be able to work on the issue.
My profession (lawyer) tells me that products that can be applied incorrectly with some ease should not be in production if the manufacturer cannot or will not remedy a poor installation. I understand that even the well-trained guys get it wrong sometimes. Manufacturers know that customer satisfaction with product and installation is what it takes to stay out of class actions, etc. Companies know this. Courts know this. Contractors go out of business and bankrupt too often for consumers to have viable recourse or to be accountable to the manufacturer. Demilec seems at this point to understand that because the rep told me up front that an odor after a year means there is a problem that they need to check out with a site visit. No denial or run-around. Not yet, anyway. I'm really not expecting them to duck this. I understand that it is somewhat easy to do a poor install with foam and it can happen from time to time. I don't know the cause of the problem but that is why the contractor and Demilec will be figuring it out for me.
I have referred a friend to spray foam and she has had the same problems with odor intruding into the bedrooms from the attic a year after her install. She used Icynene. I told her to run a dehumidifier in her attic (no electrical so that didn't work) but instead she had to run her AC to keep the odor down. So she, like me, is using electricity to deal with the stink. My power bill is about $40-$60 during the summer months that I have to run the fans to vent the attic v. a summer month when I don't (did the experiment this summer to see). Note: when I don't vent the attic, I can't use my upstairs at all so it's not a fun experiment.
The product is excellent at what it does. It just isn't always friendly. That is what we are working on.
As for your Head and Shoulders crack, I'm sure Demilec doesn't appreciate that anymore than I do.
Q&A Forums Registered User
Posted: 10/08/2011 12:23 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Correction -- $40 to $60 MORE for electricity a month for months when I ventilated (sporadic because I have to close up the attic when it rains, which is often in the South East in the summer -- and then I have to run the dehumidifier and the fans inside the attic to keep mold from growing since the windows were open so much).
Q&A Forums Registered User
Posted: 10/18/2011 6:50 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Now we're getting somewhere? What is the relative humidity of the air in the area? I've found one or two cases with excess moisture coming in from the basement or floor where they continue to have odors. I suspected that the moisture was the issue but couldn't really verify this because they weren't willing to abate the moisture issue. So, we installed a bath fan to ventilate the space and in seems to be working. Sorry to hear about your problem and I can see how it' can be an issue. I suspect that when you just spray foam in the attic without dealing with the other portions of the house with regards to moisture, you can have a problem.
You need to stop the unwanted moisture from entering the house all together! Keep it from coming in and the smell should reduce!
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Posted: 10/18/2011 4:14 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Humidity makes the odor worse, of course, but I have always kept the humidity between 38-45 percent in the attic. It is harder to keep the moisture super low in the summer because i have to put so much fresh-but-damp summer air from outside to keep the place ventilated because it offgasses so much more with the heat. Still, I follow my spray foam contractor's advice and get the humidity back under 50% asap by running the dehu and dumping it out frequently until the humidity is below 50%.
Ventilating in the winter is not as bad because the outside air is so much drier. Not as necessary in the winter either because offgassing slows in cooler temps. Still, now that I am so sensitive to the smell, I have to ventilate it aggressively even in winter and run the small attic fan to change the air before I try to work up there.
I understand that foam should not have an odor, even in humid conditions, so this is an unfortunate outcome.
In terms of the rest of the house, I don't have a basement (slab home) and the other part of the house does not have a moisture problem.
Thanks for your note!
Q&A Forums Registered User
Posted: 10/18/2011 8:38 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
i would like to know where in southeast you are at maybe i can help.
Q&A Forums Registered User
Posted: 10/18/2011 11:24 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Hi, thanks -- I'm in the Birmingham Alabama metro area.
Q&A Forums Registered User
Posted: 10/20/2011 5:18 PM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
sorry im in south georgia thought you might have been close by.
John P
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Posted: 11/12/2011 11:23 AM EST
RE: oily dust, some flaking, and odor
Stinky Attic,
It has been awhile. I've been a little busy.
Ok so you and your friend both opted to install spray foam insulation and both netted the same stinky, oily dust flaking result? And with 2 different manufacturers (Demilec and Icynene). That is a statistical anomaly if I have ever heard of one. Either the both of you decided to hire the two most incompetent SPF contractors in your area or Icynene and Demilec made bad batches of foam at the same time.
As I mentioned, I've been doing this for awhile and I have never seen SPF create oily dust or flake. The odor thing I have seen and was related to off ratio foam.
I will retract my liar comment. I don't know you and don't know what to believe. I am certainly not going to call Demilec to do a background check on you. I just know what I see, what my company produces and what my competitors produce. And its not and never has been what you are describing. Even the old timers that have been in the game for 30+ years can't comment on the problems you and your friend are experiencing.
I guess I am so taken back by this because I am so used to raving happy customers that call me after an install to let me know they had no idea how comfortable their home could be - And how much less they are spending on heating and cooling.
I truly hope the contractor or manufacturer comes to your rescue and makes the wrongs right. I also think you and your friend should play the lottery together.
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Recently, someone was saying, how can we change the world? And I said, it's easy, all we have to is trust each other. It's a giant notion. And that's really what "The Gift of Fire" is about — mutual trust.
So many things get thrown into the sci-fi category. Ray Bradbury said he didn't like that label.
Understandable. He was telling parables and speculating about the nature of humanity. I'm trying to do the same thing. I don't mind calling it science fiction or speculative fiction. The problem today is that everybody has forgotten that some of the most important literature of the 19th and early 20th century was science fiction. Jules Verne invented the 20th century. "1984" by Orwell. H.G. Wells took us beyond the imagination before the [world] wars and into this whole new world that we were facing. These were incredible books and writers who were major world thinkers. And for some reason contemporary literature has forgotten that and made almost all science-fiction writers outcasts, which is too bad because they are certainly the smartest writers and in many ways the most important writers.
One element in another of the novellas, "On the Head of a Pin," is a creation called "the Sail," described as a fiber-optic tapestry that becomes a portal to time. We just had the late Tupac Shakur "appearing" virtually at the Coachella festival. Isn't that what you were getting at?
That's true — you kind of re-create the world. That's the first level of the Sail. The other level is that the world doesn't need re-creating because it's happening again and again and again.
What is your production company up to?
I'm looking to make television and shows and movies — my kind. I'm very happy with the movies that have been done [of his work]. I'm not happy with the regularity; I'd like to do more. I wrote a script based on "The Long Fall" for HBO, and I'm waiting for them to respond. I did a script about Easy Rawlins which I gave to NBC and they passed on that. Sam Jackson's company has an expressed an interest in doing "The Last Days of Ptolemy Grey" as a movie.
You worked as a computer programmer before most people knew what that was. Is your writing more tech savvy because of it? More orderly? Do you tweet?
No, no and no. I look at what computers can do. The iPod: 15 years ago I had this thing called the Personal Jukebox, the same kind of machine, way before the iPod. I would be the only person in the airport working on a laptop computer, but now it doesn't actually interest me anymore.
We can mistake mere change for progress?
There's technological progress in ways that might be cultural progress, but you mustn't mistake that for human progress. There's a difference. There's no novelist today any better than Homer. It's just that we don't have to go from town to town telling our stories from memory.
I'm not blaming computers or anything like that. Beginning to understand advancement would be an advancement of the human race, and we haven't been able to do that. I'm worried if [humans] are happy or not happy, and if they have the potential for happiness. The word "happiness" is in that document [the Declaration of Independence], but there's no Department of Happiness; there's no commitment to happiness. We have the right to pursue it; we have no attempt to define it.
Some brick-and-mortar bookstores have gone under and others are struggling. Is this just an inevitable iteration of technology?
Absolutely, and it's inevitable as long as we don't face what we're doing and make decisions about how we're living. We have a country run by corporations, not by people, but we think we live in a democracy. You say, "Yeah, I vote, but for four years I just wait and then come back and say, 'I'm dissatisfied.'" We should be working together: Where were you the last four years? So long as we don't take the initiative and act upon our best interest, we'll have the world that we live in.


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EMILY's List president decries the decrease in number of women in political office
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EMILYâs List is a political action committee that raises money for pro-choice women Democratic candidates. This weekend Emilyâs List president Stephanie Schriock was in Tampa raising to fund their programs. It was hosted by former Tampa City Council member Linda Saul-Sena. WMNFâs Dawn Morgan Elliott spoke with Schriock about the recent decrease in the number of women in state and national politics.
"It is shocking to me after 15 years of working in Democratic politics that women are only 17 percent of Congress. And to put a finer point on that number, the U.S. is 90th, nine zero, 90th in the world for the percentage of women elected to office in our country."
Recently Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus wrote that the number of female state legislators fell by 1% percent this year, which is equal to 81 positions. What can you say about that?
"We did slip in the percentage of women in state legislatures. In fact, in Congress this last election resulted in the first decline in the percentage of women in Congress in the over 30 years. We lost ground. And as I look at it, and we see a significant amount of opportunity in 2012 to regain a lot of seats that we lost in 2010, and weâre really busy recruiting women all over the country, including right here in Florida, to run for the House of Representatives to gain that back and to even start increasing our numbers again."
Part of the mission of EL is to support Democrat candidates who support a womanâs right to choose. Do you think there will ever come a time in America when the issue is simply up to the individual woman and her partner?
"Boy, Iâd like to hope that sometime in our lifetime that weâll get to a place where we just allow individuals in this country to make personal choices about their health. We are not quite there and, in fact, in the last 3 months, particularly of Congress but also in the state legislatures including, again, right here in Florida, we have seen some very extreme positions to start moving the clock backwards after decades of fighting for womenâs freedoms. Thereâs a sense that we should be back in the kitchen. This is a really sad moment, we are at a tipping point, and if we donât continue focusing on the importance of women, and womenâs abilities to make choices about their life, all kinds of choices, whether its health or family, or career, if we donât keep focusing on that, we will start losing it."
I donât know if this is the official slogan, but itâs prominent on the EL website: âWhen women vote, women win!â Can you expand on that?
"Iâm going to clarify it even more so, âWhen women vote, Democratic women win!â And Democrats win. And we see this continuing gender gap between the Democratic party and the Republican party. And itâs why I feel itâs so important to recruit so many more women this year on the Democratic side because I see such an opportunity as women around the country are watching the war on women that the Republican Party has begun waging on all of them, whether youâre a senior citizen who depends on Social Security and Medicare, or if youâre a young woman who depends on birth control, all of this is under attack, and this is our time to come together multi-generations and insure we elect more Democratic women and thatâs exactly what weâre going to do."
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Josh Wall pitching.
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Latos was awesome today: 8IP, 6H, 0ER, 0BB, 7K.
If he pitches like that in October I like this teams chances.
Yanks win on bobble by first baseman. Came from four back in the 13th, then won it in the 14th. Incredible.
McCarver says Reds very dangerous in playoffs.
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A St. Albans man is facing multiple charges after he refused to have his fingerprints or photo taken while he was being booked. South Charleston police say 33-year old Jonathan Daniel Byrd also threatened an officer. Byrd was being booked on a charge after he allegedly grabbed a woman by the throat at an apartment in South Charleston and pushed her. A South Charleston police officer arrested him for driving on a revoked license for DUI, and was also charged with domestic battery, failure to submit to booking, an assault on an officer after he refused to comply with the booking process.
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My name is Erin Sullivan and I'm a lecturer here at the Shakespeare Institute.
I'm engaged in teaching with the students and also in working on my own research that has to do with Shakespeare's life and times.
The main interest that I've been exploring over the past few years is the history of the emotions - or the passions as they were called in Shakespeare's time. I'm interested in the ways that people understood what the passions were, how they came to be in the body, what their uses or maybe their dangers might be, and in my exploration of the subject I focus specifically on the passion or emotion of sadness, largely because there are so many different kinds of opinions on what sadness is, and whether or not it's a good or useful thing.
So for instance, if you look at a lot of medical literature from the period, you find that all the passions, but especially sadness - are warned against. There's this feeling that if you allow yourself to become too excessively sorrowful it's going to hurt not just - it's not just going to make your life more difficult, but it's actually going to hurt your body - it's going to throw your organs into disarray, it's going to create too much black bile in the blood, and if you truly - if you sorrow so excessively that you really can't go on with your life there was a belief that it could literally break your heart and kill you.
So on the one hand there's this very negative understanding of what something like sadness can do, but on the other if you look at a lot of religious literature from the period, you find that there's a very different attitude towards the uses of the passions and especially sadness.
A lot of this I argue has to do with the changing nature of religious, theology belief in the period.
So with the Protestant Reformation there's this fear and emphasis on demonstrating faith and religious commitment through individual interior experiences and I argue that the passions are one of the main ways to do this and so sorrow especially becomes very important in terms of demonstrating that someone is elect to heaven.
I'm interested in how the different people in Shakespeare's time negotiate between these two very different poles and in relation Shakespeare's plays I'm interested how some of these ideas get pulled in, questioned, queried, reworked - so in plays that aren't necessarily explicitly religious or medical but still draw on these ideas - plays like Hamlet, or Richard II or As you Like It or also plays by Shakespeare's contemporaries - I'm interested in seeing how they negotiate some of these different ideas and how they maybe answer their own philosophical arguments into the debate.
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This is a great story.
My thanks to David Bokovoy and Loyd Ericson for noticing it.
I am more of a peruser than a poster, but I had to comment on this story. This sort of thing happens far more often than we know (happily).
I was officiating a sub-varsity game up in Heber a few years ago. With about a minute to go and the game effectively over, the visiting team coach called a time out and asked to speak with the officiating crew. The coach indicated that they were wanting to bring in player with either Downs syndrome or a similar handicap. They would put him in as one of the running backs but would not handle the ball. They just wanted to get him on the field for a couple of plays, but did not want one of the defensive players to hit him unnecessarily. The coach asked us to just let the defense know so that the kid would not get hurt.
As I went to go talk with the defensive players and let them know the situation, spontaneously one of them said, "Tell them to give him the ball. He needs to score a touchdown." No coaches involved, and this was the other team, so there was no existing bond between them and the player. They just wanted to give this kid, and everyone else, a good experience. The ball was at midfield, so it was not a situation where they just needed to escort the kid for a few yards.
So I went and told the QB to give him the ball and made sure that they explained to the kid what he was supposed to do. Since this was late in the season and he had been with the team all season, I think he had seen enough to have a good idea. They snapped the ball, gave it to him, and he was off. A couple of defenders had me worried for a while because a couple of them chased him very aggressively at good angles. For a moment I was afraid that they had not understood the message about not hitting him. But in each case they dove just short of him, giving him the feeling that he was really running for a score against his opponents. A great roar of approval from everyone when he scored.
One of my best experiences in officiating high school sports at any level. I have seen similar cases like this, but none so spontaneous and initiated by the opposing team.
Thank you. That's a wonderful story. I hope others here will read it, as well.
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Volunteer teachers from Northwest Arkansas Community College are teaching a GED program at the jail, and the class filled up in its first week.
The program started this week with the female population, to work out logistics on how to expand it to the much larger group of male prisoners.
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Pet Care: Incident changed good dogDear Dr. Fox: I have a male Grand Champion Shetland sheepdog. I recently went on a trip and left him with a friend
By: Dr. Michael Fox, INFORUM
Dear Dr. Fox: I have a male Grand Champion Shetland sheepdog. I recently went on a trip and left him with a friend. She was walking my dog when another dog came over without a leash. She asked the owner of the other dog to put it on leash, but he didn't. My dog got overly fearful and squirmed his way out of the collar and ran away. He was gone for about two weeks. We finally trapped him almost 10 miles from where he started, in another township.
When I got him back, he was covered with ticks. I took him to the vet, and they shaved him. In this condition, you could see on his skin that he had bruises. This happened in July 2009.
Ever since, he has been a changed dog. I've taken him to classes, but he's afraid of people coming up to pet him. He makes it look as if I've hit him. When I take him to shows, I can barely get him to stand still. He used to be just fine at shows and would let anyone show him. What can I do to get him back to his more trusting self? – C.A.S., Norfolk, Va.
Dear C.A.S.: Your poor dog is suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. As with humans suffering this affliction, treatment includes the judicious use of anti-anxiety drugs such as Valium and Xanax, and either total immersion/intense exposure to the fear-invoking stimuli or gradual repeated exposure of increasing duration and intensity. Verbal praise and treats for staying calm help dogs dissociate from conditioned fear to positive expectation when, for instance, they are trained to sit and stay still while people walk by or while they are watching children playing in a park or playground. Keeping your dog in a harness while on the leash may provide more comfort and better security than a collar. A few drops of lavender oil on a bandanna around his neck may also be calming, and the dog-appeasement pheromone (DAP) may be worth a try.
Remember, he is sensitive to your reactions. Ignore his cowering, and don't tense up or try to force him to be friendly, which should come with time and patience. PTSD is the modern name for shell shock, and certainly after air raids during World War II, some dogs in the United Kingdom would develop a psychotic "fly snapping" behavior.
Dear Dr. Fox: I have a 2-year-old male longhair tabby cat (mix of Persian and Himalayan). I adopted him from a group of 26 kittens found in a barn in a town near here.
He would always sleep with me at night. I would never let him go outside unless I was with him. But we recently moved, and I am now letting him go outside whenever he wants. Since then, he doesn't sleep with me anymore. When he's hungry, he'll knead and knock on my bedroom door, but he won't go any further. How can I get him to sleep with me again? – J.C., St. Charles, Mo.
Dear J.C.: Regrettably, you have given your cat a second taste of life outdoors, and he likes being outdoors at night to prowl, hunt and check out his territory for other cats and potentially dangerous wild animals. Coyotes and occasionally red foxes will make a meal out of free-roaming house cats (and small dogs) in many areas, especially in California.
Try treating your cat as you would a dog, having him always under your supervision. Try walking him with a harness and a leash, allowing him to explore for about 30 minutes every evening. Play with him indoors, and give him a light meal before you turn in. Then keep him in your bedroom with the door closed, and set out his snacks and the litter box at the foot of your bed. He may yowl and pace for a few nights, but a little catnip might calm him down.
I understand why many cat owners feel that it is cruel not to let their cats go outdoors and follow their instincts, especially at night. But it is unnatural for cats to go off and roam the neighborhood or the woods because they are a domesticated species and do not ecologically belong in such places. This is not to deny the fact that some cats have the wits to survive and avoid trouble, even getting lost, but many cats unfortunately do not. I find it quite telling that our feral cat Mr. Twain, whom we rescued from probably his fourth or fifth Minnesota winter (clearly a rare feline with amazing survival skills), has never made one meow to solicit going outdoors!
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Call issued for statewide woman suffrage convention
On this day in 1893, ten Texas women, mostly members of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union, issued a call for a statewide woman suffrage convention. The Texas Equal Rights Association, the first such statewide organization, was chartered at the ensuing three-day convention in Dallas. Internal dissension plagued the TERA, which had been organized as a branch of the National American Woman Suffrage Association, and it ceased to operate by 1896. In 1903 Annette Finnigan helped organize a successor organization, the Texas Equal Suffrage Association, which helped lead the long and ultimately successful fight for woman suffrage. Texas women were finally granted the right to vote in primary elections in 1918, and in June 1919 Texas became the ninth state (and the first in the south) to ratify the Nineteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which extended full suffrage to women.


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Kentucky Speedway, which is owned and operated by Speedway Motorsports, Inc., Monday issued the following statement regarding the fan experience at Saturday's "Quaker State 400." Kyle Busch won the 2011 Quaker State 400. "To those fans that were not able to attend the Quaker State 400, we offer our sincerest apologies," said Mark Simendinger, general manager, Kentucky Speedway. "We'd also like to apologize to all of our fans who endured challenging conditions during our event weekend. As we said earlier, we're committed to working with NASCAR, state and local officials and traffic experts to address Saturday's traffic issues to ensure that we never have this type of experience again."


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Neuroscience is a word that is about as intimidating as astrophysics. Most people have no idea what it means, but they're pretty sure that its definition is over their head. The truth is that neuroscience is simply the study of the brain and nervous system. That's not to say it's a simple science, but it's a science that covers equipment that we all have. With that said, neuroscience gets a bit complex as it draws from "other fields such as chemistry, computer science, engineering, linguistics, mathematics, medicine and allied disciplines, philosophy, physics, and psychology." (Here's the Wikipedia article on Neuroscience.) The Society for Neuroscience is a Washington, DC based non-profit member organization for the scientists and physicians who study the brain and nervous system.
The field of neuroscience is young as sciences go, which is why the Society for Neuroscience was only founded in 1969 (I know that seems like a long time ago to you). Back then they only had about 500 members, but today they have more than 40,000. The Society for Neuroscience is similar to other scientific non-profit member organizations in that it works in a number of ways to move the field forward. These activities include creating "venues for sharing great science in an expanding field"; "connecting people around the globe and across specialties"; educating "the public about the wonders of the brain"; and advocating "for policies that promote research." If you're interested in things like brain development, sensation and perception, learning and memory, movement, sleep, stress, aging, and more, then you have to take a look at the Society for Neuroscience's Jobs page. Their current openings include:
Neuroscience is a fast growing field, so now is a great time to get involved. And the Society for Neuroscience is a great place to get a start even if you don't have a background in neuroscience.
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We love this Biostack composter for its ease of use and simplicity: its three bottomless tiers make turning the pile simple and easy, saving your back while improving your soil. Built of 60% recycled polyethylene, the composter is water-proof, rot-proof, rodent-proof and easy to clean. The hinged lid blocks rain and retains heat, efficiently decomposing your scraps and making valuable compost. The composter can hold 13 cubic feet, and stands 34 inches high.
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How to Play a DVD in Ubuntu
Ubuntu, by default, does not include the necessary libraries or codecs to decode DVDs. As such, it will not play commercial videos off of them. Here we detail the variety of ways to Play a DVD in Ubuntu.
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Baxter has a beautiful soul. I am just sad that he can no longer walk but very glad that he is still able to give so much happiness to people in their final days. I wish I could pet him and hug him.
19-Year-Old Therapy Dog Gives Meaning to Terminal Patients
Baxter is a living teddy bear – he looks and feels like one, and brings as much comfort as one. This 19-year-old therapy dog can no longer get around for himself, and has to be wheeled around in a wagon, but that doesn't stop him from bringing happiness and a little love to elderly and terminal patients in the hospital.
"This is Baxter, my 19 ½ -year-old certified therapy dog, who works at San Diego Hospice in the Institute for Palliative Medicine," explained author Melissa Joseph. "It's an in-patient care center where people are at the end of their life. Baxter enters a room in his little red wagon because he can no longer walk, and he bonds with patients, many of whom cannot walk as well."
Melissa hoists her 37-pound teddy bear onto patients' beds if they would like him up there. Sometimes he just snuggles, and other times he gives smooches that seem to last forever. Some patients have no one else to visit them, and Baxter is a beacon of light in an otherwise dreary stage in their lives.
"There is an uncanny congruity that develops – Baxter, at the end of his life, the patient, at the end of their life," Melissa said. "Baxter truly is the perfect, world's best therapy dog. When he gets in bed with a patient, or with a family member on the sofa, something happens in the room. The pain of this race, the tears, dry into smiles, and all of a sudden, for a moment, you would think, that everybody was alive. Really alive."
"Baxter just seems to know how to provide the care that people need, and he started licking the patient's face. Licking, licking, licking, and didn't stop licking, for, I don't know, maybe half an hour or more," said Lisa McCollough, the chaplain of San Diego Hospice. "The family was so touched, and so moved, and cried and laughed, and the patient died later that night. So in his last hours, Baxter provided the kind of care he needed. The best care he gives."
"I'm happy to say that though Baxter is the age he is, he still has this ability to bring comfort and love at the end of his life," Melissa concluded.
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July 19, 2014 1:55 amPosted 11 months ago
July 19, 2014 2:53 amPosted 11 months ago
It's nice that he can comfort those in the last stages of their life. But, I feel sorry for him too, as he looks so tired. I'm not sure I would consider it much of a life for a dog that cannot get around without being carried.
July 19, 2014 5:59 amPosted 11 months ago
This owner truly needs to show the same compassion for her dog that she expects him to do for others. This poor dog needs to be shown the same love and be put to rest himself…..this is cruel. This is no quality of life for this poor boy!
July 20, 2014 10:09 amPosted 11 months ago
When my 17 year old dog could no longer walk, he was also in pain and distressed. We had to put him down. We knew that one day very soon we'd come home and find that he'd passed away in a puddle of his urine. THAT would be horribly cruel. I hope this dog isn't suffering mentally or physically.
July 20, 2014 2:43 pmPosted 11 months ago
This beutiful dog is an angel. that remind human that kidsness is not forgoten.


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Postproduction facilities understand the importance of establishing a good workflow and utilizing a talented creative team and technical experts. As technical advances steadily evolve, post houses must consistently adapt in order to cater to the needs of each client. And with the cost of digital cameras becoming more affordable with so many options available, content creators can shoot footage with an array of devices in different formats. P3 Update found several post houses that are successfully embracing a changing technical world while nurturing the distinct visions of individual filmmakers.


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Two employment discrimination cases recently filed in Michigan are beginning to draw attention from people around the country. Two former waitresses claim they were forced out of their jobs by Hooters Restaurants in violation of a Michigan law that specifically prohibits discrimination based upon an employee's weight. Here, in Minnesota, there is no law specifically addressing weight discrimination, in fact, Michigan's law appears to be the only statewide law in the country on this topic.
One of the former waitresses alleges that she was placed on "weight probation," given a gym membership, and told that she had thirty days to make progress at losing weight or she would be let go from the company.
Hooters management has countered the allegations by saying the restaurant chain does not enforce a weight requirement. In addition, they claim their waitresses do more than just serve food to patrons. They claim the waitresses should be considered entertainers whose appearance is an important part of the restaurant's image and business.
The Michigan law at issue was passed in 1976 as part of broader law aimed at preventing discrimination based on height or weight. The law actually grew out complaints that woman were being kept out of jobs in the auto industry as well as police and fire departments based upon height requirements favoring men.
According to J.J. Prescott, a law professor at the University of Michigan, there is very little caselaw in Michigan on the topic of weight discrimination. Reportedly, only about one case is brought under this law per year.
While no other state has a law similar to Michigan's in this respect, a number of cities have passed weight discrimination laws, including San Francisco and Santa Cruz in California; Birmingham, NY; Madison, WI; Urbana, IL; and Washington, D.C.
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The Division of Enrollment Management, Marketing, and Communications has primary responsibility for the development and coordination of a campus-wide plan to recruit and help students persist on to graduation.
Success requires open communication and collaboration among faculty, staff, and administrators across reporting lines. An essential component within the division is the creation and routine evaluation of a strategic enrollment plan that recognizes and embraces the best principles and fair practices of recruiting. Our goal is to admit only those students who have a reasonable chance of success, based on a set of uniform criteria.
Of equal importance is the design of a marketing plan that correctly positions the University in a competitive market, while recognizing that student satisfaction and academic success are our ultimate goals.
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We align students and families with the resources and strategies they need in order to meet their education expenses and secure necessary funds for financing their education. We administer federal, state, and University aid and scholarship programs in accordance with applicable policies and regulations while striving to be an innovative and service-minded department.
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A Flowery Garden Wedding at Summit House Restaurant in Fullerton, CA
What's a garden wedding without flowers? This couple had floral elements decorate everything from the ceremony aisle and tablescapes to the beautiful stucco buttercream cake! A color palette of coral, pink, cream and lavender added to the garden aesthetic since the ceremony took place on the lawn under a gazebo overlooking the California countryside. Simidia... read more


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ElbertonNET is starting off 2013 strong with upgraded internet service for customers, as well as a couple of expansion projects.
The new internet technology was put in place just after Thanksgiving, and it is now having the effect of lowering prices on the lower tiers of internet speed offered by ElbertonNET.
The plan moving forward, according to City Manager Lanier Dunn, is to phase out the lowest internet speed.
"We're hoping that in the future that the broadband 6.0 plan will be our basic speed plan, and will replace the broadband 3.0 plan in the future", said Dunn.
In conjunction with the internet improvements, ElbertonNET has also begun expanding into new areas of the county.
The first expansion project is already complete and includes the Fortsonia area off of the Washington Highway in the southern part of the county. Dunn said they are already taking customers on in the area.
The next area to receive ElbertonNET services will be in the northern half of the county; Dunn explains what areas they are targeting.
"We also have begun construction on the north side of Elbert County in the Plantation Road area", said Dunn. "We are going to be serving a small part off of the Hartwell Highway, the services in that area should be active possibly by the end of February."
These two projects are part of ElbertonNET's goal to serve as many residents of Elbert County as possible.


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Geoscience Australia considering a move to cloud computing
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Growing amounts of data and the need for simpler systems are prompting Geoscience Australia (GA) to consider a move to cloud computing.
The agency currently uses around 3,000 applications to manage procedures on behalf of public and private organisations. Most of these are off-the-shelf applications, IT News reported.
But following a report from the Department of Finance, it is looking to combine its ICT efforts for simplicity and it is considering moving to cloud computing.
In its report, the Department of Finance suggested that GA should move to a single system to improve deduplication and database management.
The authors added: "There is merit in a policy department assuming responsibility for whole-of-government coordination and management of spatial data, with GA continuing to provide technical and data support as appropriate."
Geoscience Australia is part of the resources, energy and tourism portfolio of the Australian Government.
It provides information allowing ministers to make informed decisions on the exploitation of resources, the management of the environment and the safety of critical infrastructure.


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James Hamilton-Paterson's letter argues against Fred Pearce's assertion that local communities "should work harder to police fishing" and correctly explains that no amount of argument will make a difference to fishing in poor countries unless poverty is addressed (12 July, p 22).
Misguided policing has malignant effects. The Australian government imprisons Indonesians who fish in Australian waters, even though these have been their traditional fishing grounds for millennia. The Indonesians do far less damage to fish stocks than large fishing fleets with modern equipment. Those imprisoned in Australia leave behind families who have no recourse to social security and who have to repay large loans taken out for the rent of the fishermen's boats, which are burnt by Australian authorities.
I propose that the Australian government bring some compassion to fishing laws in its northern waters, as these laws have a devastating effect on the lives of so many ...
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Money Matters
Veterinary students receive most of their financial aid in the form of loans. Aid from most programs, including loans and scholarships, is awarded on the basis of financial need as determined by the Free Application for Federal Student Assistance (FAFSA). Applicants who anticipate the need for financial aid should complete the FAFSA online. The NC State University Title IV Financial Aid code to use when completing the FAFSA is 002972. It takes approximately four weeks for the FAFSA to be processed.
The NC State priority deadline for FAFSA filing is March 1.
Stafford Loans
The University Financial Aid Office administers the loan programs including the Federal Direct Stafford Loans (both subsidized and unsubsidized). The College of Veterinary Medicine also provides short-term loans in financial emergencies.
For more information about Stafford loans, see the University Financial Aid Office's web site at http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/financial_aid/
Changes in the Direct Loan Program for 2012-2013 Academic Year
Effective for loans made for payment periods that begin on or after July 1, 2012, graduate and professional students are no longer eligible to receive subsidized loans. Please read the following FAQ's:
How do changes to Direct Stafford Loans impact graduate and professional students?
Recent legislation resulted in two changes for graduate and professional Direct Loans. The first involves the loss of subsidized loan eligibility, which means interest accrues on loans while still in school. Second, borrower repayment incentives have ended. As a result, no up-front interest rebates will be offered.
When does the graduate loan subsidy change take place?
The change applies to loans made for graduate and professionals students for periods of enrollment beginning on or after July 1, 2012.
How will this affect my overall loan limits, both annually and aggregately?
The annual Direct Loan limit remains $20,500 for graduate students and $40,500 for DVM students. The aggregate Direct Loan limit also stands unchanged at $138,500 for undergraduates and $224,000 for medical students. The Graduate PLUS Loan will still be offered up to the cost of attendance for DVM students who qualify for the loan and have exceeded the aggregate limit.
Why are these changes taking place?
The Budget Control Act of 2011, signed into law on August 2, 2011, calls for immediate cuts to federal student aid programs. In order to protect the Pell Grant program for the neediest undergraduate students, Congress eliminated the subsidy for graduate and professional students and used that savings to boost the Pell Grant program that was operating with an $18.3 billion shortfall. The act also terminated the Department of Education's ability to offer any repayment incentives to Direct Loan borrowers.
Will this affect the previous subsidized loans I have already received?
The Budget Act is not retroactive. The current subsidized loans received by graduate and professional students will remain so, in accordance with the terms of the loan's promissory note.
How much interest will I have to pay for the unsubsidized loan?
The Unsubsidized Direct Loan for 2015-2016 has a current fixed interest rate of 6.21 percent. Because interest begins to accrue upon loan disbursement and while the student is still in school, the total loan will increase by the time a student starts repayment. The amount of the increase depends upon the total amount borrowed and the length of the student's graduate or professional program. The GRAD PLUS loan interest rate for 2015-2016 is currently fixed at 7.21 percent.
Does the Budget Control Act of 2011 change when I have to start repaying the loan?
Although interest begins to accrue immediately, graduate and professional students still have the options of deferring payment of their loans until after graduation. In most cases, students do not have to begin repayment of their loans until six months after graduating or until ceasing to be enrolled at least half time. We encourage our students to make quarterly interest payments as an effective strategy to decrease the total loan debt by the time of repayment.
North Carolina Student Loan Program for Health, Science and Mathematics
The NC HSM program has been suspended. They are no longer offering new loans under this program. Students who currently have loans may find service repayment information at the NCSEAA web site at http://www.ncseaa.edu or call them at 919-549-8614.
Diversity Graduate Assistance Grant
This program provides stipends of up to $3,000 for the academic year, with an option of $500 in additional support for study in the summer session. Awards are only made to African-American students who are residents of North Carolina. Awards are only made to students who have been admitted to a doctoral program, the College of Veterinary Medicine, or to individuals who have been accepted to a master's degree program in a department offering the doctoral degree and who intend, and will be eligible, to pursue the doctoral degree at the same institution after completion of the requirements for the master's degree. Recipients must be enrolled as full-time graduate students as defined by the institution. The student must be admitted to full graduate standing and maintain a 3.0 grade point average.
For more information, please visit the Graduate School web site at http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/Grad/grants.htm or call 919-515-2872.
Scholarships for NC State College of Veterinary Medicine students are available on a limited basis through funds made possible by gifts from private benefactors as well as group donations.
Scholarships are awarded by the Faculty Scholarship Committee based on demonstrated financial need (as determined by the FAFSA) and academic achievement. In addition, some scholarships may require additional criteria established by the scholarship's donor, such as interest in a particular species or type of veterinary practice, community and volunteer involvement, or student activities.
Scholarship applications are made available online to current students in the spring and to incoming students after they have accepted an offer of admission. The Scholarship Committee meets during May to recommend student awards and DVM students receive their financial aid award reports in early June.
Scholarships from Other Sources
In addition to scholarships awarded by the college, some DVM students receive scholarships from private organizations such as kennel clubs or corporations.
The US Department of Agriculture sponsors the Saul T. Wilson, Jr. Scholarship Program in Veterinary Medicine, including up to $5,000 per year for undergraduate studies and $10,000 per year for graduate studies for tuition, books, tutors and laboratory fees, and paid employment during the summers with the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. Interested students can get more information from USDA/APHIS by calling 800-762-2738.
The College Foundation of North Carolina may offer more information about possible ways to finance your education. CFNC can be reached at 1-800-600-3453.
The U. S. Army offers a variety of scholarships for veterinary students. For more information about the Veterinary Health Profession Scholarship Program, contact Sergeant Sean Elwin at 919-872-3357, Sean.Elwin.usarec.army.mil, or see their web site at http://www.goarmy.com.
Costs of Attendance
The yearly cost of education for full-time study at the NC State College of Veterinary Medicine includes tuition, fees, books, supplies, equipment, dues, immunizations and living expenses. The following estimate of expenses for veterinary students is based on proposed 2015-2016 tuition costs and federal cost of living estimates.
Effective the Fall 2010 semester, all students must be covered by Health Insurance. The mandatory health insurance offered through the university for a single student is NOT included in the Personal/Travel category. Students who purchase the University's health insurance plan may contact their financial aid counselor to request the expense be included in their individual cost of attendance. For DVM students, this is Sid Holloway at email@example.com. Complete rate information is available on the Student Health Center site.
The Student Health Insurance Plan rates for the 2015-16 academic year are $1,727 for the year ($863.50/semester).
Annual estimates may change as fee schedules are altered periodically.
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The St Vincent and the Grenadines Coalition of Services (SVGCSI) Inc. was registered and incorporated as a non- profit organization Act No. 121/2008. It is the service sector umbrella body, which was created to represent the interests of the domestic Services Sector through technical support, advocacy and market intelligence. SVGCSI assists the local services sector to become more competitive as well as to be export ready to take full advantage of international trade agreements.
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Fluffy Thoughts Bakery was founded in 2000, when a friend suggested that owner Lara Stuckey combine her two passions, art and baking, into a real business. Lara fell in love with baking at the age of five, producing her first creations from an EZ Bake Oven. Since then, she has found many ways to share her delicious and beautiful treats with families and friends.


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GMC Prices & Values: GM purchased a truck company creating General Motors Truck Co., which became GMC Truck. GMC is the brand name for trucks (see the GMC Sierra 1500 model history), vans and SUVs sold by General Motors. GMC has also expanded to allow for hybrid drive systems in an effort to keep up with growing consumer enthusiasm for this market segment.
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For what it's worth, Daz admins,
When I click on a thumbnail on a product that looks interesting there's some information I expect to see immediately before I make a decision to look further.
This is (in approximate order of importance):
(1) is it applicable to the figure/figures I am considering using (V4, V3, M4, M3, A4,A3, SP3, Gn, etc)
(2) Is it on sale? How much of a discount am I getting? Is it a platinum club item or just on sale?
(2) What is the expected file size (what is the setback to my render times) (more important for characters and Hair products)
(3) Who made it and can I click to their store to see if there are similar things?
(4) Is it an accessory? If so, how to I get to the main item.
Yes, all very important stuff here!
Right now you're taking the whole page to basically tell me what I already know from the thumbnail. And instead of making my click to the product page immediately gratifying, you're taking up a ton of space with a "You might also Like this" line before I can get to anything useful.
It's funny, it reminds me of a used car lot. You look at a car that you find interesting, and the salesman comes along before you can read the sticker info and says, "You don't want that car…here, let me show you something you might like better!" I don't like used car salesmen, stop trying to be like them!


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Hare Hill
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The Garden is coming to life
Enjoy this informal garden as it comes alive in spring, snowdrops and cyclamen lead the way and are soon followed by the vibrant colour of rhododendrons, magnolias, and azaleas. The walled garden with its white borders are best in late summer, the perfect place for a picnic, croquet or giant dominoes. The Garden is open from 1 March 2015, so why not call and see us soon. Whether you are a returning visitor or if it's your first time, you will be assured a warm welcome.
Visit Alderley Edge
Alderley Edge is only a couple of miles from Hare Hill, yet it offers you something totally different.
The woodland walks are lovely and on a clear day the views over the Cheshire Plain are great.