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Ways to Gain TGFF Respect
Neighborhood Cash
Neighborhood Farming Strategy
Understanding the Basics
Master Your Armory Items
Improve Your Resources
This post will mention everything that you need to know about the Respect system for The Godfather: Five Families. I will show you all the ways of earning respect as well point you to the light for which way is the best: In addition, check out my other The Godfather: Five Families guides for useful tips.
Please note other than straight earning respect, we will also go over various aspect of the game to help you get stronger as well.
>Ways to Gain TGFF Respect
You can gain respect in the following 6 methods:
Leveling and building neighborhood buildings
Stationing units at the Estate
Stationing units at the Citycapes under your control
Leveling up buildings in the Estate
Leveling up the research at the Library
Kill other player units in PvP Battles
Respect Gained in Neighborhood buildings
The respect points is gained as you build out your neighborhood with various buildings. However, these form of earning respect is capped when you have fully built out your Neighborhood at the highest level building possible. As long as your build stands, you will have the respect points, if you tear those buildings down, you will lose the respect points earned by having those buildings.
Stationing Units at the Estate
You will earn respect based on the value of each unit. Typically the higher cost aka heavier hitting units will give you more respect when you station them at the Estate.
Stationing Units at the Citycapes
You will earn respect with you station your The Godfather: Five Family units at occupied Cityscapes under your control similar to Estate. However, higher level Cityscapes act as a hidden multiplier that will boost the respect points that you earn per unit. Meaning that you can earn more respect to station units at high level Cityscape compared to stationing them at your Estate. However, it should also be noted that these respect are both temporary whenever you withdraw the units, and it is capped by how many units that you can send out per battle.
Leveling up buildings in the Estate
Buildings in your Estate will also contribute to your Respect value. The higher the buildings, the higher the respect points that they are available to you. However, this The Godfather: Five Families respect is capped by how much you can level up your Estate buildings.
Leveling up the research at the Library
Respect is earned based on the levels of research that you have. The higher research that you have, the more respect that you will earn. However note that the amount of respect is capped by how much research levels that you can do. The research levels are all capped at level 10 and therefore this limitation also cap your the Godfather: Five Families respect points.
Kill other player units in PvP Battles
This way of earning respect is based on how many enemy units that you kill in PvP battles. The basic idea is that the more you kill, the more respect that you obtain. You will earn respect when you attack or defend against attacks. As long as that you kill enemy units, you will earn respect. Generally speaking, the higher level of the unit, the more the Godfather: Five Families respect that you earn.
Best Ways to Gain Respect
After learning about all the ways for you to earn respect in game, here is an analysis of which ways are the best. The best way to earn and keep the Godfather: Five Families respect is by killing enemy units. You will earn these respect permanently and there is no limit on how much you can earn.
The second way is a mix between Cityscape stationing and Estate stationing. You want to station as many units as possible at a high level Cityscape to gain the maximum multiplier possible. However, once you have reached that limit, station as many units inside your own Estate because there is no upper limit on how many units that you can stash away.
You do not have to pay attention to the other methods because the other methods should be built up to the limit as you play through the game. You should only really focus on the PvP battles if you want to earn the most respect fast under the shortest amount of time.
Bail Out Your Units
To keep your respect, bailing out your stronger units can be key to hold onto your units.
You can access the bailout screen by clicking on the left tab of the screen. On this screen, you can check whether or not you have any units to Bailout. You can either bail them out using Cash or Diamond.
The numbers of your units that get to sent to jail is about 15% to 20% of your total troops lost in "Previous" Battle only. Your jailed units will be lost forever if you enter another battle. So be sure to bail them out before you lose them forever.
The higher level units with higher Godfather: Five Families respect will be sent to jail. If you sent a mix numbers of units, your lower level units will die completely.
Thug: 2250
Arsonist: 3300
Demolitionist: 5100
Bruiser: 8100 Cash
Tommy Gunner:
Neighborhood Cash
Level 1: Main Street Station
Produce $750 Cash every 5 minutes
Level 5: Fleming Theatre
Produce $2,375 every 15 minutes
Level 11: Tony's Auto Body
Produce $13,525 Cash every 6 hours
Level 23: The Fat Cat Club
Produce $27,200 Cash every 18 hours.
Neighborhood Farming Strategy
Before you start farming for resources from neighborhoods in the TGFF, the first rule of thumb is that the inactive neighborhoods are always golden. You want to keep a healthy list of the golden and ripe neighborhoods on your list. You want to farm these inactive neighborhoods for all the resources possible. Below are some guidelines on how you can search and pick your the Godfather: inactive neighborhood farming targets.
To select your TFFF farming targets, you will need to have some basic respect requirements. The respect value is a great way to tell whether or not a neighborhood has had resource buildings built. You should skip the low respect neighborhoods because they typically have very low level buildings and is not worthwhile for your in-game resource farm needs.
One way to quickly notice if the enemy neighborhood is still active is by observing their respect level. The Godfather: Five Families respect is mainly gained through the buildings, research, and training of troops. This means that if someone is active in game, he or she will undoubtedly gain respect from playing. This works in your favor that you can seek out inactive players by noting the neighborhoods that have had no Respect value increases.
Look Out for TGFF Nighborhood (Mansion) Level
Another great way to tell whether or not a target is great for resources is by bookmarking the neighborhood. You can then tell their Mansion level from the bookmark. Because higher level neighborhoods aka Mansions can hold more building plots, you can safely bet that higher mansion level inactive players will hold more sources for your target.
Observe the surrounding playing activities by other players or your target farm. You can tell whether or not a player is active by noting the Cityscapes that he or she may hold. Also if someone is advancing heavily in the area, you can note that as well because the player may also farm the neighborhood that you wish to farm. This can lead to lower resource farming gains.
When selecting and picking your Godfather: Five Families neighborhood farms, you do not want to pick targets too far away from your home base. You do not want to pick up farms that are 1 hour away from your neighborhoods because it will take forever for you to obtain the resources. Start with locations that are close to home for maximum resource farm.
After hand pick your in game resource farms, remember to create a spreadsheet that has all of your target farms. Record down the location, the amount of resources looted, and the time when you loot and attack for the resources. By recording down these vital information, it will better prepare you to really maximize the inactive farming potential of the game in The Godfather: Five Families.
Always remember to send enough delivery trucks so that you can gain the maximum resource loots possible when pillaging other neighborhoods in the Godfather: Five Families. You do not want to miss out on resources simply because you did not send enough units to carry them back!
Another reason why you want to record down the time when you attack neighborhoods is just so you can compare the amount of time that resources grow back at your farms. You can compare the amount of time it takes for your target farms to fully regenerate its resources. By planning and timing your Godfather: Five Families neighborhood attacks, you can optimize your resource gain.
Never assume that once a player or farm is inactive, it will be forever inactive. The inactive Godfather: Five Families farms can become active at any time. So you will need to be careful of sending your troops after these inactive farms for resources. Because of this, you should always send enough units so that if there's resistance, your troops can still kill your enemies.
In addition to Godfather: Five families farms players suddenly become active again, you need to be aware that the player may also receive Guesthouse reinforcements that can kill your units as well. This one is a little harder to avoid, but just keep this concept in mind.
Lastly, always keep a tab on how your enemy is doing and whether or not the Godfather farm is still inactive, you do not want to walk right into farms who had just become active again because that will mean no more looting of the resources.
Understanding the Basics
Before we move on to other advanced strategies, let's have a little refresher on the basics of the game.
When you first start in the game of The Godfather: Five Families, the complexity of the game that it seems may turn you off at the beginning. This simple introduction is aimed to take away that confusion and help you get started in the game. Therefore this guide is target toward new players who are still learning the ropes instead of advanced strategies.
First we start with the major branches. The game is divided into 3 main major branches: Estate, Neighborhood, and City. You can build various buildings within the Estate and Neighborhood area to advance your own family. The City map is where you will be interacting with other players as well as attacking Cityscapes, Gangs, and other players. We will start by going into each of the different major areas in the Godfather: Five Families:
There are a few points and resources available to be obtained in The Godfather: Five Families. This guide will go over some of these basic materials to help you start faster and easier in game.
You will be able to obtain the loots when you attack nearby Gangs, Cityscape, or other players.
This is one of the basic resource in game. You will need Cash to do practically everything. The Godfather: Five Families buildings that produce Cash are Apartments and Hideouts. It should be noted that Apartments generate additional influence and Hideout can speed up combat unit training time. The Cash value is noted as the dollar sign in the game screen.
Food is produced by Restaurant in the Godfather: Five Families. Food is mainly consumed when you are training troops. Minor amount of Food is also used for building upgrades and research upgrades.
Steel and Cement
I have grouped these two resources together because they are mainly used for the same thing. The Steel and Cement are produced by Steel Mill and Cement Factory respectively. Towards the end game where you have upgraded most of your buildings the use of Steel and Cement becomes less important.
This is your cash currency for the Godfather: Five Families. With diamond, you can purchase various items to boost your game play.
Respect is the ranking system in the game. Respect is important because it determines that various boosts that your crew and you would have. Some of the ways to obtain Respect is through researching skills, or kill players in PvP battle. I will add a detailed guide on Respect shortly.
Influence is obtained by having apartments in your City. Each level of apartments will give you influence points. The influence points determine how many of the troops that you can train at the same time. By having a high number of apartments, you can activating training of many troops instead of activating it often.
In Estate tab, you can think of it as your homebase, you will construct and upgrade buildings to can increase the power of your combat units, and the ability to build more resource buildings. Below I will go over each of these buildings that will help you along in the game:
The mansion is the heart of your family. By upgrading your mansion, you can control additional land in your Neighborhood, as well controlling of Cityscapes on the Citymap. At the beginning of the server it is a good practice to boost your mansion early to gain control of the Cityscapes to get the production boosts.
Guest House
The construction and upgrade of Guest House can enable your crew members to station units in your The Godfather: Five Families estate.
The Godfather: Five Families Armory is an important aspect of the game, however you should only upgrade it when you have enough combat units to take down the next tier of Gangs. You can earn equippable loots and gears based on the level of Gangs that you defeat. By upgrading the armory, you can equip higher level loots.
Walls give additional boost to your defenses against enemy attacks. For every level that your wall has, you estate will obtain an additional 500,000 health points. It should be noted that you will need a level 5 wall before you upgrade your mansion to level 5.
Guard Post
Guard post can decrease training time by 5% for every upgrade that you make.
Front Gate
Frontgate can help you to notice any combat units moving toward your Estate.
Workshop is necessary to unlock a couple of your combat units available in the Godfather: Five Families. You should start upgrading the Workshop when you wish to unlock additional advanced combat units. In addition, the workshop can decrease the training time by 2.5% for each level of the following combat units: Courier, Thug, Arsonist, Bruiser, Demolitionist, and Hitman. You can check for the complete list of the Godfather: Five Families combat list.
Garage is necessary to unlock various Godfather: Five Families units. In addition, the garage can decrease the training time of following units by 2.5% per upgrade level: Tommy Gunner, Professional, and Enforcer.
The upgrade of warehouse can protect more of your Cash and resources from being looted by other players. You can protect 200,000 x level of Cash and 100,000 x level of resources.
The library is essential to start your Five Families research chain. The level of your the Godfather: Five Families of library is a prerequisite a a basic skill Logistics.
Restaurant is a resource building that will produce Food for you. Food is mainly spent when you train more troops. So to have a healthy supply of troops in the beginning and mid game, you should have more restaurant than your other buildings.
Cement Factory
Cement is another resource that is secondary to Restaurants. You should still have a ratio of 3:4 of Cement building to steel to keep on building in the beginning game stage. However, the same as steel, the important of cement will decrease once you have upgraded all of your resource and estate buildings.
Steel Mill
Steel is one of the more important resource compared to Cement in the Godfather: Five Families. You should have a little more steel resource buildings than the Cement factory to cover all the upgrades. However, same with Cement Factory, the importance of Steel Mill decreases over time towards the end game stage.
Apartments in the Godfather: Five Families serve two purposes, they generate Cash as well as Influence. Influence is used in game when you train any combat units, the numbers of units that you can train at one time is determined by the numbers and level of apartments that you have. This means that depending on your play style, you can go either Apartments if you play once in a while to train lots of troops.
Hideout, similar to apartments, generate Cash. However, depending on the numbers of hideouts and upgrade levels that you have, you can train your combat units faster. The hideouts in the Godfather: Five Families can boost your troop training speed. However it should be noted that Hideout generates more Cash than Apartments. In addition, you will need at least one high level Hideout to produce some of the more advanced combat units.
City is where all the fun is in the Godfather: Five Families. There are many tiles in this division. I will go through them with you so you have an idea on what to look out for. I will break them down based on the type of areas, as well as who owns them.
Gangs are abundant in the Godfather: Five Families. These tiles can be attacked and when you win, your troops can bring back loots from winning as well as receiving a chance to obtain valuable armory gears. You should spend sometime to farm the gangs so that you can power yourself up with these equippable gears.
Cityscape (Unoccupied)
The Cityscape can be controlled when you attack them. Different levels of Cityscapes are controlled by different level of NPC defenses, you will have to break and claim victory over those defenses before you can control the tile. These Cityscape can boost the resource production of all of your resources depending on their levels. In addition, you can earn temporary respect by having troops stationing at the Cityscapes.
Cityscape (Occupied)
Cityscape once controlled, can be stationed with your troops. However this also means that other people can attack your controlled Cityscape. Cityscape becomes a valuable resource because you will need them to boost your overall resource productions as well as earning respect boost.
First Neighborhood and Greenwich Village
These are player controlled tiles that are same as your City. When you attack those you will be attacking enemies defenses to steal the loots that are not protected by the warehouse.
Slums need to be taken over when you want to station your second neighborhood which is the Greenwich Village.
Park and Junkyard
The Park and Junkyard tiles in the Godfather: Five Families are the neutral tiles that do not do anything. These tiles serve as blank empty spaces in the game.
Master Your Armory Items
Armory system in the Godfather: Five Families is extremely important to utilize. By having stronger gears than your enemies, you can drastically reduce your loss and increase your Families battling power to steal more resources. These armory items when equipped can grant you additional health, attack power. In addition, by equipping a set of a certain gears can give you additional resource and even respect bonuses. This post will teach you everything that you need to know about the armory system.
Building and Upgrading Armory
At level 3, you will be able to build the armory under the Estate tab. Just like other buildings in game, you can upgrade Armory for certain cost as well as time counter. The higher level of your Armory, the higher level equipment and gears that you can wear. However, you DO NOT need to have high level armory in order to "sell" the gears or loots if you can hit the higher level Gangs sooner.
Obtaining Armory Items
You have a certain chance to obtain loots by attacking Gangs. You will have a chance of receiving the armory items with a level equivalent to the level of Gangs that you have defeated. It should be noted that the Gang should have at least 50% of its units restored from previous defeat to drop the armory items.
Equipping Armory Items
You can equip the Godfather: 5 Families armory gears that you have obtained by click on the armory. You can then select the Armory to receive the various boosts that these armory gears provide.
Default Boost
Each armory items can be divided into Level ranking, then they have different qualities determined by Bronze, Silver, or Gold. Each tier has two items that boost attack, and two items that boost health.
The basic formula for the armory item is as followed:
Bronze items: 5% attack or health times level of item
Silver items: 6% attack or health times level of item
Gold items: 7.5% attack or health times level of item
Based on this simple formula, you can see that as level increases, the quality of the item becomes even more important. The highest level 10 Five Families Armory equipment can boost your attack and health up to 150% total when all 4 items are equipped.
Set Bonuses
Now you will also receive a special set bonus when you equip the same level same quality gear for all 4 of your slots. The Five Family set bonus formula is calculated as follows:
Bronze Set Boost: (5% x Level) resource production bonus
Silver Set Boost: (5% x Level) resource and Cash production bonus
Gold Set Boost: (5% x Level) additional Respect gained
Special Note on Gold Set: the information on the stat screen can be deceiving when it says +X% respect, it does not automatically boost your respect score, instead it increase the amount of respect that you earn when you fight other players.
Selling armory items is a great way to boost your Cash in the Godfather: Five Families. To sell the armory items, you can head into the armory and right click on the items.
Note that there is a bug if you sell the items when the duplicate of them are equipped, you will sell the equipped items first. To fix it, simply refresh the game, and you will be able to equip the gears back.
The amount of gold that you gain by selling armory items are as followed:
Bronze Gear Selling Price: 100 Cash x Level
Silver Gear Selling Price: 1200 Cash x Level
Gold Gear Selling Price: 12000 Cash x Level
Based on this formula, you can notice that Gold gear items will fetch a really good price, especially at higher level gangs. This makes attacking and gaining armory items at higher level a really great way to earn more Cash in the Godfather: Five Families. You should also note that this money is great because they cannot be stolen by your enemy Families.
Improve Your Resources
Resources planning is an important part of the game so that you can continuously build. There are various ways that you can earn more resources in the Godfather: Five Families. Below I will list them all out, use all of these methods to obtain many resources possible to create the strongest Family in the Godfather: Five Families.
Upgrade Resource Buildings
This is one of the most obvious but sometimes overlooked way to boost your resource production. Have you used all of your resources to fully upgrade your neighborhood buildings, and do you have any spare land plots that you should have used but have not. Spend the time to go over your own neighborhood to make sure that you have optimized your inner neighborhood planning. By optimizing the neighborhood buildings, you will be able to generate more resources in the Godfather: Five Families that suit you.
Takeover Cityscape
You can earn additional resource production boosts when you take over and control Cityscape tiles. By holding Cityscape tiles, you will earn a 5% x level of production boost based on the level of the Cityscape. These production boosts are stackable. It means that if you control 2 level 2 Cityscape, you will earn an additional 10% boost to your resource production. At higher level the numbers can really make a huge difference. You want to always make sure that you are controlling enough Cityscape tiles as well as an upgraded mansion. Controlling more Cityscape tiles can boost your resource production amount in the Godfather: Five Families.
Armory Set Bonus
When you complete an armor set for the silver tier. You will earn a resource production boost based on the level of the armor set. Always attack the level of the Gangs until you have the armor set. In addition, if you know that you are going AFK for a prolonged period of time such as sleep or school, you can equip your gears to achieve the production bonus. The armory set production bonus that you receive is 5% x level of the armor set.
There are 3 Five Families research that can boost your resource production rate in the Godfather: Five Families. These three research branch are Cooking for Food production boost, Cementing for Cement production boost, and lastly Steel Work for Steel production boost. Each upgrade of research boost the resource production by 5%.
Item Boosts
There are various item shop boosts that you can purchase to boost your resource production. These boost can be purchased with Diamonds (real money) to generate your the Godfather: Five Families resource production faster.
Best Way to Get Cash
The best way to get Cash in the Godfather: Five Families right now is through defeating gang tiles and farm inactive yet full developed players. When you defeat Gangs, you have a chance to obtain "Gold" Tiered items inside the armory which can be sold for some great instantly cash gains. You can sell the armory items in the armory building. Right click the loots that you have and click "sell".
Additional Resource Boosters
In this section, the additional resource boosters are discussed in the Godfather: Five Families.
Family Starting Bonus
Depending on the server and its Family controlled territory. You will receive differing starting resource boosts. This is a balancing system implemented by the development team to balance out the different Family's power in game. The strongest family with least territory will receive no bonus, and the weakest Family's new member will receive up to 18% resource boosters. The Godfather: Five Family staring booster are as follows:
This list is ranked by how many territory owned by specific Families. This is ranked from the strongest to weakest. The resource bonus is only active during the 7 day protection period. It's listed as "Other" bonus in the resource menu.
1: No starting bonus
2: 5% bonus resources
3: 7% bonus resources
4: 9% bonus resources
5: 18% bonus resources
Family Rank Bonus
Depending on the territory of the members in your Family own, you would receive overall Family resource bonus. The Family Rank bonuses are ranked from 4% to 0% from the strongest to the weakest.
Crew Rank Bonus
By being a part of the crew in the top 10 slots, your crew will earn an additional 25% resource bonus to your production.
Note on Cash, Upkeep, and Resource Boosts
The resource boosts in the Godfather: Five Families are stacked toward each other. However, the resource boost for Cash is calculated "After" the Upkeep cost. For example, if you produce 10k Cash, and your upkeep is 5k Cash. The resource boost is calculated based on the 5k net total. This calculation makes it more attractive for you to lower your troops to avoid negative Five Family cash flow.


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Norman Mineta (US Secretary of Transportation) testifies that Dick Cheney was operationally aware of flight 77 as it approached the … all » Pentagon. The government has consistently stated that it did not know the whereabouts of the hijacked aircraft before they crashed. In this video Norman Mineta testifies before the 9/11 Commission that he was present and personally observed VP Dick Cheney in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center tracking the exact position of flight 77 for many miles on its approach to the Pentagon. Q U E S T I O N: How could the most heavily defended building in the world have been so easily attacked?
Dear Secretary Mineta
On May 23, 2003 you testified before the 9/11 Commission in public hearing as to your experience on the morning of 9/11/01. During your testimony you stated that you arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) underneath the East Wing of the White House "at about 9:20 a.m.", at which time Vice President Richard Cheney and other staff was already present in the center, with Mr. Cheney clearly in command. You also state in your testimony that you had believed based on a conversation that took place between Mr. Cheney and an unnamed "young man" that a shoot down order had been given by the Vice President prior to your arrival, because, in your words…
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"There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out, "the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand.
by David Ray Griffin
Testimony at the Congressional Black Caucus Annual Legislative Conference 2005 (September 21-24, Washington Convention Center, Washington, DC) for the session, 'The 9/11 Omission: What the Commission Got Wrong,' September 23, 2005, sponsored by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA):
There have been two main theories about 9/11, each of which is a conspiracy theory. The official conspiracy theory says that the attacks were planned and carried out entirely by al-Qaeda. The alternative theory says that the attacks could not have succeeded without the involvement of forces within our own government.
In examining The 9/11 Commission Report , I have focused on how it dealt with evidence supportive of the alternative theory. I have found that it did so by distorting or simply ignoring this evidence. This is no surprise, because the man running the Commission, Philip Zelikow, was essentially a member of the Bush-Cheney administration. But it is a fact that needs to be brought to light.
Because there are so many omissions and distortions—in my book I identified at least 115—I can point to a significant percentage of them only by moving through my representative list quite quickly.…Continue reading
Dear 9/11 truth activists and concerned citizens,
Below is an email exchange between Dr. David Ray Griffin and myself, where Dr. Griffin suggests a strategy for the 9/11 truth movement. I found it thoughtful as well as inspiring, and so I asked him if I could share it publicly. He said yes, and so here it is. I hope it inspires you as much as it does me. If so, please consider buying his new book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. It is unquestionably the best book to open people's eyes–even better than his first book. This is definitely the one to give to your relatives and co-workers. Here's the link:
Also, we still have available the new 1-hour DVD of Dr. Griffin speaking in Santa Rosa, California. We are offering these as a complimentary gift for a donation of $20 or more. (No extra shipping costs.) Like the book, this DVD is an excellent gift for someone new to 9/11 truth. We particularly encourage you to get both of them and send them to people you know in other countries, for as Dr. Griffin states in his email below, "the best hope is for an international tribunal." Here is the link for the DVD:
Thanks, and may peace and truth prevail.
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A message from David Ray Griffin, March 19, 2005
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by Dr. David Ray Griffin
In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.
Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.
It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed.…Continue reading
9/11 Commission Report – one year later… By Gregor Holland 911truthmovement.org
One year after the release of the 9/11 Commission Report, serious questions that were raised before and during the Commission proceedings remain unanswered. For many, the Commission Report raised more questions than it answered. Not the least of these has been posed by honorable Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. McKinney recently questioned Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Myers "about the four war games that were taking place on September 11 and how they may have impaired our ability to respond to those attacks." McKinney got a partial answer a week later. In the first on-the-record acknowledgement that there were four war games underway on 9/11/01, Myers told her that all battle positions were manned because of the drills…
"..so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. It actually enhanced the response."
This answer echoed one provided by General Ralph Eberhard during the final 9/11 Commission hearing. The question to Eberhard, posed by Commissioner Roemer, was coerced by hearing attendees who interrupted the hearing, forcing the issue by yelling "What about the war games?" The failure of air defenses to respond on that morning does not support the given answer by Myers and Eberhard.…Continue reading
Image: CBC News: Sunday's Evan Solomon interviews Lee Hamilton , 9/11 Commission co-chair and co-author of the book "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission" .
Evan Solomon : Tell me why you felt the need, with Thomas Kean, to write this book "Without Precedent"?
Lee Hamilton : We felt we had an important story to tell, 9/11 was a traumatic event in our history, every adult in America will remember exactly where they were on that day when they heard the news. We felt that the Commission's work gave a lot of insights into how government works, and particularly how government in the national security area works. We had hundreds of people tell us, or ask us, how the Commission did its work, and so we responded by writing the book and tried to let people know the story, the inside story of the 9/11 Commission.
Solomon : Do you consider the 9/11 Commission to have been a success, and if so, under what ways do you measure that success? How do you call it a success?
Hamilton : The 9/11 Commission was created by statute. We had two responsibilities – first, tell the story of 9/11; I think we've done that reasonably well. We worked very hard at it; I don't know that we've told the definitive story of 9/11, but surely anybody in the future who tackles that job will begin with the 9/11 Commission Report. I think we've been reasonably successful in telling… Continue reading
by Michael Keefer
December 4, 2006
The first thing to say by way of preliminaries (and I'd better get it in quickly before someone suggests that I've turned up late or over-weight for a pre-match weighing-in) is that I'm not overjoyed with the pugilistic metaphor of my title.
But some sort of response to the volley of attacks on 9/11 researchers and activists with which the Counterpunch website marked the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 seems called for.
Michael Keefer strikes just the right tone in responding to Alexander Cockburn's attempt to banish "conspiracy nuts" from the kingdom of the left.Keefer accounts for Cockburn's hostility to conspiracy by locating him in the "class of academics and public intellectuals, for whom a migration of power into military, deep-political, and corporate-media hands may…. be difficult to acknowledge." We'd add that when those intellectuals are wedded to a brand of analysis that cannot satisfactorily account for what they see transpiring before their eyes, that difficulty is only magnified.
Slowly but surely, the academic left is coming to understand that the deep politics paradigm offers the most promising analytic tools for understanding the dynamics of geopolitical struggle. Don't be surprised by the discomfort associated with the paradigm shift to continue to produce rhetorically overheated, but substantively lacking, complaints like Cockburn's for quite some time. But really, that's his problem.
Counterpunch co-editor Alexander Cockburn set the tone of these pieces with an article describing theologian and ethicist David Ray Griffin, the author of The New Pearl Harbor (2004) and of The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (2005), as a "high priest" of the "conspiracy nuts""whom Cockburn denounces as cultists who "disdain all answers but their own," who "seize on coincidences and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and significant," and who "pounce on imagined clues in documents and photos, [".] contemptuously brush[ing] aside" evidence that contradicts their own "whimsical" treatment of "eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence."
It's a characteristically forceful performance, if at times slipshod. One small sign of carelessness may be the manner in which Cockburn slides from calling 9/11 skeptics a "coven" to comparing them, a few sentences later, to "mad Inquisitors" torturing the data (as the old joke goes about economists) until the data confess." Readers brought up to think that the victims and perpetrators of witch-crazes have not customarily been the same people may find this unintentionally amusing.
Despite the sometimes distinctly nasty tone of this polemic, the idea of exchanging even metaphorical blows with Cockburn and his colleagues is unappealing. The overall quality of the essays that he and Jeffrey St. Clair publish in Counterpunch makes it easy on most days of the week to agree with Out of Bounds Magazine's description of it (trumpeted on Counterpunch's masthead) as "America's best political newsletter." And I've admired Cockburn's own political essays for many years: he's written movingly, sometimes brilliantly, on a wide range of subjects1 even if his flashes of brilliance sometimes alternate with breathtaking pratfalls: among them his dismissal, as recently as March 2001, of the evidence for global warming; his scoffing, in November 2004, at the rapidly gathering indications that the US presidential election of 2004 had been stolen; and a year later, his mockery of the well-established theory of peak oil and his adherence to the genuinely daft notion that the earth produces limitless quantities of abiotic oil.2 One can forgive a journalist's slender grasp of the rudiments of scientific understanding. But given his self-appointed role as defender of the progressive left against a horde of fools, It's dismaying to find him sliding as frequently as he does into positions that seem not just quirky but (dare I say it) unprogressive. Continue reading
by David Ray Griffin
9/11 Contradictions
This essay is the second in a series of articles written by Dr. David Ray Griffin for The Canadian. This particular one is an abbreviated version of Chapters 2 and 3 of Dr. Griffin's 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (Northampton: Olive Branch, March, 2008).
With regard to the morning of 9/11, everyone agrees that at some time after 9:03 (when the South Tower of the World Trade Center was struck) and before 10:00, Vice President Dick Cheney went down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), sometimes simply called the "bunker," under the east wing of the White House. Everyone also agrees that, once there, Cheney was in charge—that he was either making decisions or relaying decisions from President Bush. But there is enormous disagreement as to exactly when Cheney entered the PEOC.
According to The 9/11 Commission Report, Cheney arrived "shortly before 10:00, perhaps at 9:58" (The 9/11 Commission Report [henceforth 9/11CR], 40). This official time, however, contradicts almost all previous reports, some of which had him there before 9:20. This difference is important because, if the 9/11 Commission's time is correct, Cheney was not in charge in the PEOC when the Pentagon was struck, or for most of the period during which United Flight 93 was approaching Washington. But if the reports that have him there by 9:20 are correct, he was in charge in the PEOC all that time.
Mineta's Report of Cheney's… Continue reading
by David Ray Griffin
"The Commission" by Philip Shenon has performed a great public service, letting the world know that there are good reasons to be suspicious of "The 9/11 Commission Report." The main problem is the fact that the Commission was almost entirely under the control of Philip Zelikow, who was closely connected to the Bush White House. Although my book "Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11″ revealed some of the facts about Zelikow that showed him to be one of the worst possible choices for the Commission's executive director, Shenon has revealed even more facts.
It was already known that Zelikow had been on the National Security Council (NSC) with Condoleezza Rice during the administration of the first President Bush; that he wrote a book with her while the Republicans were out of power; that he helped her make the transition from the Clinton to the Bush NSC; and that he wrote at her request the 2002 version of "National Security Strategy of the United States of America" (NSS 2002), which enunciated a new doctrine of preemptive war that was used, in Shenon's words, to "justify a preemptive strike on Iraq."
But now Shenon reveals more: that in applying to Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission, for the position of executive director, Zelikow failed to reveal some of his conflicts of interest, especially his authorship of NSS 2002 and his role on the transition team; that he continued, contrary to his promise,… Continue reading
by Aidan Monaghan
The following is a response from the U.S. Secret Service to a Freedom of Information Act request for the arrival time of U.S. vice president Richard Cheney at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) on September 11, 2001, as well as the names of all those granted entry there that day.
Dear Requester:
Reference is made to your Freedom of InformationlPrivacy Acts requests originally received by the United States Secret Service on April 17, 2008, for information pertaining to the following:
File no. 20080330: copies of documentation pertaining to the names of persons admitted entry into the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) located within the White House on September 11, 2001 ;
File no. 20080331: copies of documentation which reveal the time on September 11, 2001, Vice President of the United States Richard Cheney entered the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) located within the White House.
A review of the Secret Service's systems of records indicated that there are no records or documents pertaining to your requests in Secret Service files. Enclosed is a copy of your original request.
If you disagree with our determination, you have the right of administrative appeal within 35 days by writing to Freedom of Information Appeal, Deputy Director, U. S. Secret Service, Communications Center, 245 Murray Lane, SW, Building T-5, Washington, D.C. 20223. If you choose to file an administrative appeal, please explain the basis of your appeal and reference the case number listed above.
Craig W. Ulmer Special Agent In… Continue reading
Tim Russert, Dick Cheney, and 9/11
by Prof. David Ray Griffin
Information Clearing House
While we are remembering Tim Russert and his years as moderator of "Meet the Press," we would do well to recall his interview with Vice President Dick Cheney at Camp David on September 16, 2001, just five days after the 9/11 attacks. 1 In fact, Cheney himself, during an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer the morning after Russert died, reminded us of that Camp David interview, saying: "I always, when I think of Tim and think of 'Meet the Press,' that's the show that always comes to mind. . . . It was a remarkable moment in American history." 2
Commenting that he himself "remember[ed] that interview vividly," Lauer asked: "Anything stand out from that interview?" In his reply, Cheney said: "We went back and reminisced to some extent about what had actually happened on the morning of 9/11. So it was—it was a remarkable moment in my career." 3
It was indeed. In reminiscing about his movements that morning, Cheney contradicted what was to become a crucial element of the account that the 9/11 Commission would give of those movements.
In praising Russert's tenure on "Meet the Press," Cheney said: "He would ask you tough questions, he would remind you of quotes you made previously in other settings or on earlier shows, so you never got away with anything going up vis-à-vis Tim." 4
Given Cheney's appraisal of his interview with Russert as… Continue reading
By Tod Fletcher
September 11, 2008
In THE NEW PEARL HARBOR REVISITED , David Ray Griffin provides a brilliant and much-needed companion to his path-breaking and movement-building book on 9/11, The New Pearl Harbor (NPH; 2004). Now, on the occasion of the seventh anniversary of those horrific events, Griffin surveys in detail all the main lines of evidence against the official account of 9/11 to have emerged during the last four years. THE NEW PEARL HARBOR REVISITED (NPHR) has been designed as volume 2 of a two-volume set with NPH as volume 1; together they provide a thorough and up-to-date case against the official conspiracy theory (they can be bought separately, of course).
Griffin has already published four other books that provide in-depth analysis of most of the evidence to have emerged since 2004. NPHR's main purpose is to provide an easily accessible survey of all of the new evidence, so that it is now possible for a beginner to the subject (including journalists and members of Congress) to master its enormous complexity simply by reading two books. NPHR is structured identically to NPH; each chapter in NPHR comments and builds on the corresponding chapter in NPH. Much of the content is entirely new; there are many facts and analyses in NPHR which Griffin presents for the first time, and which literally make the book an up-to-the-minute statement of the case.
In the Preface, Griffin explains why he undertook to "update" The New Pearl Harbor . In the Introduction he… Continue reading
August 31, 2009
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Tonight we welcome Dr. Frank Legge back to show for an extended discussion on one the most vexed questions about 9/11: what hit the Pentagon?
Dr. Legge has written an important paper on this topic which has been published at the Journal of 9/11 Studies. (See also the blog entry by Professor Steven Jones, below.)
As Dr. Legge stresses, there are two essential points to note:
Many researchers are not satisfied with stopping at these reasonable claims however, and want… Continue reading
2009 Truth Statement
We STILL Want Real Answers About 9/11
[Signatures have been closed as of March, 2010]
On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General. Since that time, multiple professional polling organizations have obtained similar results in polls conducted nationally and internationally.
In 2004, 911truth.org assembled a list of notable Americans and family members of those who died who signed (see that list of signatories, below) a 9/11 Statement, calling for "immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."
On the eighth anniversary of 9/11, in spite of Americans having elected the "other" party in hopes it would deliver on its promise of a change in direction, we find ourselves asking these same questions and encountering the same resistance to transparency. The ensuing wars have destroyed countless lives, our civil liberties (including habeas corpus) are in tatters, posse comitatus is history, and our economy lies essentially in ruin. Meanwhile, thousands of 9/11 responders who rushed to stand with America in its time of… Continue reading
by Jon Gold
This is dedicated to the 9/11 Truth Movement. – Jon
Before I begin, I would like to say that theorizing about what happened on 9/11, when you're not being given answers to your questions about that day by the people who SHOULD be able to do so, is PERFECTLY normal. As is suspecting that the reason these answers aren't being given is "sinister" in nature. As Ray McGovern said, "for people to dismiss these questioners as "conspiratorial advocates", or "conspiratorial theorists"… that's completely out of line because the… The questions remain because the President who should be able to answer them, WILL NOT." When you think about everything the previous Administration did in 8 years, the idea that they might not be giving us the answers we seek because of something "sinister" is not crazy. In fact, it's the most logical conclusion one can come to at this point. After seven plus years of obfuscation, spin, lies, and cover-ups regarding the 9/11 attacks, it is unavoidable to think that criminal complicity is the reason why.
That being said, we have not proven it beyond the shadow of doubt. We do not have documentation that shows they planned it. We do not have a signed confession from someone. We have pieces of the puzzle, and to most of us that have been doing this a long time, those pieces point to more than just Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and 19 hijackers. If we could… Continue reading
The Colorado Democratic Party (CDP) is the only Democratic party in the U.S., so far, that has a plank within its platform that calls for a new 9/11 investigation. This plank (or a similar one) has been included in the platform since 2008.
Rumor has it, however, that some of the 2014 CDP Platform Committee members want to remove it, believing that claims by 9/11 skeptics have been answered. Therefore, this document was written to inform these platform committee members that our claims have not been answered, and furthermore, President Obama's call for an "Open and Transparent Government" has been thoroughly unfulfilled regarding the events of September 11, 2001.
This document is part of a letter to the CDP Platform Committee members. It is far from complete, but it gives ample examples of how we have not had transparency regarding September 11, 2001.
We hope it will be useful to you.
The Colorado 9/11 Truth Team
Concerning the September 11, 2001, Attacks: What Are Some Ways That Obama's Call for Transparency Has Remained Unfulfilled?
I. Lack of transparency, in general, by the 9/11 Commission Report
1. Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean concealed from the staff of the 9/11 Commission the fact that Philip Zelikow, the Commission's executive director, had written a detailed outline of the Commission's final report, complete with "chapter headings, subheadings, and sub-subheadings," before the staff had its first meeting. (David Ray Griffin, 9/11 Ten Years Later, 71; original source is Philip Shenon,… Continue reading

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I tried the Gold valves and upgraded springs. I thought they were great at the time.
If you were going to do back road touring, dirt road riding, maybe some desert twin tracks, the upgraded standard setup is fine.
For a rider of say 140lbs or more, the standard setup is disgraceful. No real workable adjustment on the bike, it does have compression adjustment on the rear, but I could find very little difference in it. It went from really bad to just bad.
It would be nice to have some fork adjustment externally though.
I looked at a couple of guys bikes that had DRZ 400 forks with heavier springs and revalving. To tell the truth, the DRZ option still appeals to me. I have another DR (my sons bike that I have inherited along with the loan due to his newly arrived daughter) with the upgraded standard forks. I'm going to start using it to ride to work soon, so I might end up doing some modifications.
For my trail riding DR I decided to go with the RMZ suspension swap.
I chose the RMZ because I wanted motoX suspension travel and the adjustability. I have to say, it was worth swapping just to be able to adjust the compression and rebound front and rear.
Using all the RMZ parts unmodified was the tough decision. I wanted to make it so I could buy stuff straight off the shelf. So that meant modifying the frame to take the rear end. The first cut is the hardest. After that failure drives you forward.
For my standard DR I'm thinking of concentrating on getting it sorted using all genuine Suzuki parts, and keeping it looking as standard as I can. So I'm thinking DRZ swap. It will also keep it closer to standard height.
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Beastly Adventurer
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Many people equate touring with big bikes. Small bikes have several advantages especially if your idea doesn't involve droning down the interstate. I am willing to take a small bike places I wouldn't take a bigger bike. The Aprilia is not a dual sport bike but I'll take it down a dirt road or trail because I know that if it gets too rough, it's small and light enough that I can always get it turned around.
If I'm riding along and see something interesting, it's easy to whip a U turn, even on a very narrow road, and go back to check it out or take a pic. I have found that I end up taking more pics when on a smaller bike.
Then there is the fun factor. I find that smaller bikes are often more fun to ride. You may end up going a little slower, but you often "feel" like you are going faster. You can still get a thrilling ride without as much risk to your license.
The biggest drawback, IMO, to a smaller bike, is that if you get stuck behind slow traffic, it is much harder to pass. I tend to just pull over and wait for the slow traffic to get down the road.
Thanks to everyone who is following along. I still have 3 1/2 days of this trip to write up. I'll try to not procrastinate too much more.
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Looking forward to the ride home.
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The next two day of this trip did not involve any riding but I am including them because they are the reason I went all the way to Northern Ohio.
To refresh your memory, I went to Ohio because my parents were throwing a party to celebrate their 50th anniversary. It would also be somewhat of a family reunion. It's been a while sine I had seen my brother and his wife and there would be other relatives who I had never met, or met when I was very young but didn't remember.
It had been about 7 years since my last time here. I decided to take a few pics but I should have taken more. My parents are still quite active and take good care of their property. It's almost like being in a park.
My mom backing on of her riding lawn mowers into the shed. It's one of three riding lawnmowers. They also have several regular lawn mowers. And people wonder why I have multiple bikes. It runs in the family to have lots of toys.
The "shed" in the pic is actually a 1 1/2 car garage which my dad built himself. Well, my brother and I did "help" but I'm not sure how much help I actually was. This was the first building on this property. the house came next and then the barn in the back. Gotta have space for all the toys.
Looking back to the barn.
We needed to get some tables out of the barn for the party. I took some pics.
Old Ford 250 in excellent condition.
It fired right up and sounds just like those old American V-8s used to sound. Not over muffled and sanitized like a modern truck.
My brother sweeps it out. My dad doesn't keep this as antique, he uses it to haul stuff.
More "toys" in the barn:
Remember these?
My parents relaxing on the back deck.
My dad has always been one of those people who could build or fix just about anything. Guess who built the deck?
How about this custom lamplight switch:
It's a working door handle which also serves as a light switch for a 3 way bulb.
Hanging out the night before the party.
Dad also built the bar and finished this room in the basement which has been the site of many parties.
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Next up, the reason I rode all the way to northern Ohio, the party. Before I get to that I'm going to talk about something that has nothing to do with riding……..but has everything to do with riding. First, take a look at my signature line. Why did I choose to put something about growing up there? For that I have to go way back to my childhood. I'm talking when my age was measured in single digits. Back then I met many of my parents friends (some of whom came to this party). My parents friends were all adults, grownups……..reeeeeallly ooooold. At least that's what they seemed like to me at the time. Looking back, they were much younger than I am now. But they formed my impressions of "grown ups". To me they seemed like old people who were really serious. They just sat around and talked…and sometimes listened to really boring music. They didn't have any toys and certainly didn't play with toys. They were just too serious for that childish stuff.
As I got older and my parents made friends through activities like skiing and sailing, I realized that "old people" could still have fun but my original idea of "grown ups" has stayed with me to this day. Anyone out there who can relate to this??
As I got older, my idea of "old" kept changing so that it was always older than me. Now I no longer look at "old" as being strictly age related. As for being "grown up", I have never gotten to that point where I considered myself grown up because I still play with toys. The GI Joes and toy soldiers have been replaced by toys that involve two wheels and a motor, but they are still toys and are just as much fun to play with. Bottom line here; as long as you still play with toys, you never have to grow up.
What does all this have to do with this ride report?? It ties in directly with the next part of my report which is the party. Let me cover the party then I'll try to tie this all together.
When I arrived in Ohio it was hot with temperatures in the 90's. Luckily a cold front passed through and the weather for the day of the party was perfect with blue skies and temperatures in the 70s. Great timing since my parents wanted to have the party outside. It was scheduled to start at 4 in the afternoon and people started arriving shortly after that.
Here's some pics:
Dad made that big round table and benches out of a cable drum. Note the thermometer on the tree...low 70s
The "young kids" of the party.
Some group photos:
Just family:
Everybody still left at the party.
Some random shots of people eating.
The food was really great.
My wife and I pigging out.
I had a great time. It was great seeing people that I barely remembered from my childhood. One lady greeted me and I made the mistake of saying "nice meeting you" ....oops. I did remember her after a couple of minutes. I t was also great meeting many of my parents friends that I had heard about but had never met before.
OK, it wasn't exactly a wild party and was over by around 9:00 PM but I had a great time and will remember it for a long time.
Now I'll try to tie this post together. There where a lot of "old" people at this party but I got the feeling that many of them had not yet fully grown up. Overall these people, like my parents, seemed to be much more active and "alive" than most people their age. Many still play with "toys". Probably the best example is here:
The lady on the left is a good friend of my Mom's. She is 94 years young, still goes for walks in the park and goes skiing in the winter.
Speaking of toys, can you tell what brand of toy my "little" brother plays with.
This experience just reinforces and opinion that I have held for a long time.
If you play with toys, you will stay young much longer, and you may never "grow up"
That's my excuse anyway
After most of the people left, the rest of us headed down to the bar where we continued the party.
Eventually I had to call it a night since I had a long ride ahead of me the next day.
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People shouldn't be surprised at long distance scooter travel. There was a Canadian who rode a Honda 250 scoot around the world a number of years ago.
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I can relate exactly to your comments about age and how perceptions change as I get older. Not to mention I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd be 53.
That woman is 90? I'd have pegged her at 65, 70 at the oldest.
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Love the family stuff and growing old vs growing up.
I'm seriously contemplated buying an 09 sportcity 250 a local dealer has with less than 300 miles on it for $2,899. Haven't quite talked myself out of it yet. Told myself the next bike would be more dual sport, your ride report is tempting me to go for the scooter.
Live and Let Live.
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People shouldn't be surprised at long distance scooter travel but there are some people out there who believe anything under 1000cc is too small
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But, since YOU are looking forward to it, it's coming up next.
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For my trip back to Huntsville, I got up reasonably early since I had a long ride ahead and wanted to beat some of the heat. It was pretty cool here in the Cleveland area but I was expecting some heat as I got further south.
Here I am with my wife, ready to go. Notice the highly stylish wind breaker sticking out of the bottom of my mesh jacket
BTW, we are just over half way to our 50 year anniversary. If we have a party for our 50th, I expect to ride there on two wheels.
Since I needed to make time, I did something I don't really care to do.
Ride the interstate.
This would be boring compared to my trip up. On top of that I was on a little 244cc scooter. Actually, the Aprilia did just fine on the interstate. I rode along at around 70MPH on the speedo which reads a little high, I'm guessing about 5MPH. It used to read a lot higher but I have an oversize rear tire which and the speedo/odo read off the rear, not front wheel. This also means that my odo reads a little low, I think around 5 %.
So I was running around 65 MPH which was right at the speed limit. This was a good thing since I saw about a half a dozen cars pulled over by the highway patrol. The Aprilia was very comfortable at that speed. If I didn't pay attention it would creep up to 75 where it was still running smooth as silk.
Some people complain about small bikes being blown around by wind or truck on the highway but it was not an issue for me.
Some Ohio countryside:
My route was I-271 to I-71 down to Columbus, then I took 270 to 70 west. I had a stop planned in Springfield.
Competition Accessories is one of the largest suppliers of motorcycle gear in the country. They sell most of their stuff over the phone or internet but they also have a couple of stores.
I have stopped here a couple of times in the past and it was the only place I had ever been to with a pretty good selection of riding gear. The not only had a pretty nice showroom but also had their warehouse with all their mail order inventory in the back. If they didn't have what you wanted in the showroom, you could go to the counter and they'd go get it from the back.
So I walked inside. At first glance it looked like a giant toy wonderland for riding enthusiasts. I started looking around but couldn't find what I was looking for so I asked a girl behind the counter. She said that everything was out on the showroom. There was no ware house in the back. If you ordered something from them it came directly from their supplier.
What a bummer. I assumed they would have a warehouse here like the last time I was here. Basically I made this detour for nothing since they had nothing I was interested in out in the showroom.
So I continued on. I-70 to 675 to 75 south. Before I got to Cincinnati I stopped for gas and lunch. I used this time to come up with a plan for the rest of the day. Originally I thought I would take the Interstate to Kentucky and then pick up some back roads the rest of the way. I decided to just stick to the Highway at least for the rest of the day. Also, I decided to stop the same place my brother and his wife were planning to stop which was Cave City. So I got out my dumb phone, made a few calls and ended up getting a reservation at the Best Western in Cave City where my brother would be staying.
Then it was back on the highway.
Some random pics I took while droning along.
OK, it's not exactly real exciting but it was far less painful and boring than I expected.
Cinicinnati area:
Getting ready to cross the Ohio River.
And I am in Kentucky, the 8th state of this trip.
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It was getting hot so I decided to stop at the Kentucky welcome center to take a break and soak my cooling vest. When I pulled into the parking lot I saw a loaded Wee Strom so I parked next to it. I pulled off my helmet, jacket and gloves and before I could walk into the welcome center, the Wee Strom rider walked up. We started talking. It turns out he is also an inmate of this forum. We ended up talking for about 20 minutes or so before we both needed to get going. I did get a pic:
One of the benefits of riding, as opposed to just traveling in a cage is that you are much more likely to meet interesting people, at least that has been my experience.
Anyway, Jeff, if you see this post It was good talking to you.
Then I went in, soaked my vest, put it on and got back on the road. For those of you who have never tried a cooling vest, it's like riding with a wet t-shirt except it stays wet for hours.
my route was 71 south to 265 to 65 south.
Some random pics:
I got to Cave City sometime in the evening. Total distance for the day was 462 miles. I think that 500+ miles on my 250 would not be a problem and much more if I needed to.
I had dinner with my brother and sister in law followed but hanging out by the hotel hot tub. They sat in the tub but after a day in the heat, sitting in a hot tub was the last thing I wanted to do. It was great to get to spend some more time with them since our time at my parents house was far to short.
Then I called it a night. I still had another half day of riding the next day......and I had no route planned yet.
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Definitely enjoying your report.
My wife and I had scooters for a little bit. She had a Genuine Buddy 125 and I had a Genuine Blur 150. At that time, I had a 4 mile commute and rode it every day to work and loved it. It was much fun to ride and like you pointed out downsizing to small bikes just lets you experience stuff you don't on bigger bikes. My wife didn't quite become as attached to her scooter, but I think it was mostly because of the 10" wheels. It was fun to ride, but it beat you up and small potholes were always having to be dodged. I would kept her's and enjoyed it myself, but it was pink and didn't matched my helmet!
The Blur on the other had 13" wheels, handled corners like a dream and brakes that were amazing. Unfortunately the motor decided to go boom when a friend was riding it. I don't think he did anything, just something let loose. Its been siting as a garage ornament for like 3 years now. One day, I might part it out.
My wife test rode a Vespa 250 one time and loved it, so we might have scooters in our future again. The SportCity 250 was always one I admired too and thought it would be a fun one to ride.
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The Competition Accessories you stopped by isn't associated with the mail order store anymore. I believe that relationship fizzled out several years ago. The one in Springfield, on the surface anyway, is a giant adult toy store full of gear and bikes, but they actually have very little in the way of gear and what they do have seems way over priced. The bike selection is rather exceptional though. Don't expect any bargaining on price though, they are very firm.
If you really want to visit the motorcycle gear mecca of the mid-west, a stop by Iron Pony in Westerville will leave you with a lighter wallet and a more satisfying experience.
Anyway, I'm loving this ride report.
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Too much moisture over the past few weeks has caused a delay for the completion date for the Gillette Softball-Baseball Field Complex at the Field of Dreams Site.
"The Field of Dreams project, the Gillette Baseball-Softball Complex is being postponed in its completion due to the significant deluge of rainwater that we have had in the past six to eight weeks. We are now anticipating a mid to late August completion, whereas originally we anticipated mid-July completion for the project."---Napier
City administrator Carter Napier noted that even though the complex will not meet its scheduled completion date, the national softball tournament coming to Gillette towards the end of the month will still take place after some rescheduling.
"That's right, the tournament is still going to be held in the community even though it won't be at the Gillette Baseball-Softball Complex. Organizers are making plans accordingly and rescheduling teams and so forth for the fields at Bicentennial Park verses for both fields at Bicentennial and the Gillette Baseball- Softball complex. ---Napier


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- Christian Tetzlaff (Violin)
- Stefan Litwin (Piano)
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"There are many moments of genuine inspiration... violinst Christian Tetzlaff and pianist Stefan Litwin click into the dramatic core of each movement, mustering up all the color, rhythmic crispness, and contrast of character this music needs to sustain its fascinating case... all told, this disc is a must for anyone interested in Artur Schnabel the composer." - Classics Today (9/9 rating)
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Works DetailsSchnabel, Artur [Piano] : Sonata for violin & piano
- Performers: Christian Tetzlaff (Violin); Stefan Litwin (Piano)
- Notes: Tonstudio Ulrich Kraus, Wörthsee (03/18/1989/03/19/1989)
- Running Time: 22 min. 45 sec.
- Period Time: Post Romantic
Schnabel, Artur [Piano] : Sonata for solo violin
- Performer: Christian Tetzlaff (Violin)
- Running Time: 45 min. 8 sec.
- Period Time: Post Romantic
- Written: 1919


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Affordable Care Act training offered for small businesses
The Arkansas Insurance Department (AID) and the Arkansas Small Business and Technology Development Center (ASBTDC) are offering training sessions for small business owners about new health insurance options and requirements.The next training opportunity is from 1 to 3 p.m., Tuesday, Oct. 15, at the Little Rock Regional Chamber of Commerce. The training is free, but pre-registration is required.
Call 501.683.7700 or visit asbtdc.org/aca.
Janet Roderick, ASBTDC state director, said the goal is to help Arkansas small business owners understand the law and make informed choices about health insurance coverage.
"Informed Businesses: Navigating the Affordable Care Act" covers key small business provisions of the federal health care law and the new Health Insurance Marketplace, which opened Oct. 1.
Specific topics include the Small Business Health Options Program, notification and tax reporting requirements for employers, potential penalties for non-compliance and available tax credits, potential rebates and premium reduction programs.
ASBTDC will hold more than 50 training events around the state for small business owners and employees. The first session was held Sept. 18 at the ASBTDC, which is the state's lead center and is located at the UALR College of Business. ASBTDC has regional offices at other universities around the state.