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We finally make it to Xilitla OR Scars are tattoos with better stories
The first weekend in November (this year) a motley crew from the upper Midwest agreed to accompany me on a trip to Xilitla. This would be my third attempt to make it.
This first time we were having too much fun on the dirt roads around Galeana and Real de Catorce and the second time we took a wrong turn and ended up in Patzcuaro.
This time the plan was to enter Mexico and go to Galeana then work our way down to Xilitla and then decide what was next. That plan lasted until a few days before we left when we decided to just shoot straight south.
Six of us traveled from Minnesota and Illinois to meet in Pharr, TX where we left the cars, trailers and the new Luxovan.
Kevin [Powershouse] on a X-Challenge
Paul[Streeter] on a Versys
Bob on a K75 and Susan on a F800ST
Dean on a DR650
Me on a DR650, getting some advice on which missions to visit.
Four more traveled together in a giant SUV pulling a trailer to Brownsville.
Craig [Olekaw] on a KLR and Linda[wanderc2c] on a DR650
Betty on a DR650
Peter on a R100GS.
Here is our SPOT track.
My intent is to provide a framework for the report that others can contribute to as they see fit.
We'll have more detailed tracks and elevations as usual. We also have thousands of pictures to share. Maybe we won't use all of them.
There will be pre-trip drama as well as on-trip drama, creative roadside repairs and a visit with an ADV legend.
Unless ocurre un milagro the next post from me will be Monday.
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Getting to Texas
As usual Dean took notes, so I'll use those and maybe add a little.
Dean sez:
Starting the trip on 1 Nov 2012 I rode the DR 650 from my house to Charlie's in Pine Island. We loaded the bikes did some final trip preparations, a quick supper, slept till morning and started south the morning of 2 November.
The Luxo-van
It holds 2 DR650's with millimeters to spare.
We spent the evening and overnight at Throttlemeisters shop in Pryor Oklahoma. John and his sweet dog Tippy drove us to a great BBQ Joint south of Pryor, we each had a huge tasty meal for about $10, with plenty left for another meal. We took the rest for breakfast.
John and Tippy
It was fun hearing John's tales of his extended trip through Central America and Cuba and northern South America. John was actually getting ready to fly home to Oklahoma when he hit a bad patch of dirt road in the dark and broke his leg.
Alice Texas
We drove a bit over 600 miles each of the last two days to arrive here in Alice. Charlie's 1994 Chevy Luxo-Van with 80,000 miles is doing an adequate job of hauling us and the bikes south; air conditioning would however be nice as the afternoon temps in the 80s are uncomfortable and sweaty, we can't lower the drivers window as it sometimes doesn't want to go back up. Charlie's hip has been aggravating him so I've been doing most of the driving, gas mileage is from 12.8 to 14.8mpg. I think our load is maxing out the limits of the van, if the road is rough at all we are like a cork on the water.
[This van cost $1000 and that doesn't buy what it used to. It's a ¾ton van and we were a little short of a 1500 lb. payload, so maybe the shocks are worn a little. cwc]
Up at 7am after a good nights sleep in the Sunset Motel ($55). We will eat breakfast now in the room and then proceed the 100 miles to our staging area near the border. Charlie is talking with members of the group to plan to meet up at about 10:30 this morning.
Met Bob, Sue, Paul and Kevin at the secret parking spot late morning, unloaded the motos, parked the tow vehicles, checked into Motel 9, went and ate lunch and then crossed the border to do the necessary paper work on the Mexican side for a tourist visa and moto permit.
Two different border workers on the U.S. side were very cautionary about our travels into Mexico. They each mentioned that yesterday there was a shoot out right near the border bridge here, and the bridge was closed for a time. Hope all goes well for all of the group the next two weeks.
We returned back to the motel between 3-4 pm. Some are going for supper, but I'm still full from lunch. Nice basic room here, but no ice at all.
[Deans glass is always at least half full. Basic is the operative word for the Motel Nine. Apparently Texans only need one sheet on their beds, but they were glad to supply another for each bed when they discovered that we were from Minnesota. It WAS very close to the border though so that was handy. – cwc]
Our crossing is Pharr / Reynosa, Linda, Craig, Betty, and Peter are crossing at Brownsville / Matamoros. They emailed and said all of their paper work was done and that they will be crossing at 8 am tomorrow as well.
We will head for Ciudad Mante tomorrow.
cwc screwed with this post 12-30-2012 at 07:47 PM
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The first weekend in November (this year) a motley crew from the upper Midwest agreed to accompany me on a trip to Xilitla. This would be my third attempt to make it.
Gee Charlie, when you suggested a ride to Xilitla you didn't mention that it was an elusive target!
Paul and I made great time rolling to Pharr from MN. A little too great time on the first tank; with the pedal pressed down to the "Hot damn, we're off to Mexico!" setting the first tank only lasted about two hours. Paul took over for the next tank and we began a rotation of 3 1/2 to 4 hour trade-offs which had us in Pharr about 23 hours later. That left us time for a leisurely breakfast over the local paper while we waiting for the rest of the crew. A little disconcerting to read about the shoot out the night before that shut down the border bridge in Reynosa.
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The Beasty group departs
The beasty group departs just after noon on Friday. Betty has prepared her Suburban with new brakes, tires and a fresh detail. We are traveling in style! Add a couple roof top carriers for the riding gear and we will have room for 2 people to sleep in comfort for our non-stop drive. Betty chooses the late night driving spot and warns us she sings to stay awake. What a repertoire by a good voice.
Special thanks go out to our friend Fogger for the use of his 10x7 trailer with new bearings and tires. Craig's planning on bike layout worked perfectly. We screwed in a few 2x4's to keep the wheels from jumping. No adjustments were necessary for the next 1500 miles to Craig's brother house in Brownsville Texas.
Peter and Betty's bikes had not been ridden for awhile and needed shaking down before the trip. Linda's new to her 2007 DR650 was mostly untested and needing new mods for Mexico. Our warm late fall weather allowed for some late ride testing.
Charlie hypes this trip as a pavement ride. Craig and Linda persuade Betty to leave her beloved BMW f800st and ride her DR650 that she has little experience on. There are carb issues. It makes a trip to not one, but two mechanics before departure and we think the problems might be solved. But it's cold now so there is no certainty. Stay tuned, the story doesn't end here.
The presidential election would be held while we were in Mexico. Peter cast his early vote by motorcycle and came out to find his front brake completely locked up the day before departure. His already crazy pre-trip mode turns into insanity. Pucks were cleaned, master cylinder holes cleared and a new brake line is ordered to be waiting for us in Brownsville via UPS. Panic ensues when UPS does not follow delivery instructions, but they would be happy to deliver on Monday. There are times when it pays to get bitchy! The delivery happens on Saturday and is there when we arrive.
It's 27 hours for us. The beast stops once to eat, and once for last minute goodies at a sporting goods store in Texas. We are getting about 10mpg with the cargo carries, the heavy steel gate, and heavy right feet. The new brakes are a welcome addition while trying to stop all the weight we have behind us.
Charlie is the designated spot carrier to ease the fears of those we leave behind at home. We track their progress down to Pharr on my I-phone. Technology has come a long way, and we take full use of it on this trip. Speaking of Charlie, he is famous. There are even bumper stickers that say so. First seen bouncing around the copper canyon, they have long been out of print. WWCP? Or "What would Charlie Pay?". He is truly famous for his frugality. It only makes sense he negotiates our room rates!
On Sunday, we expect long lines at the border to import our bikes and ourselves. We ride unimpeded to the bridge, tomorrow will be a different story. There are no lines. None. Yipee! It is discovered that Peter's Spanish is quite good, and Betty's recent Spanish classes will certainly get us by. We clear without a hitch and return to the states to await tomorrow. Betty and Peter celebrate on the bridge back. Note the new brake line on Peter's bike!
Charlie helped Craig set up his GPS for intended motel waypoints that we were going to meet at in Mante on Monday before we leave Minnesota. We've received emails from Charlie and Dean confirming everyone is cleared and ready to cross the boarder at 8am from two locations. Mante is the declared meeting point for the groups. We will total 10.
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Sweet! I spend a few days in Xilitla and loved it!!!
Bernal is another way cool city to check out.
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First Day in Mexico - A travelling day
Dean Sez:
This morning we left the Motel 9 in Pharr Texas around 7am and had a breakfast at Jack in the Box, fueled the motos up, and made our way south across the border to Mexico.
Customs went smoothly and by 8:15am or so we were flowing with the morning traffic.
[Here Dean very kindly didnt mention that I missed the turn in Reynosa and we did a little tour of some neighborhoods. The traffic was intense, but we made it. NOW we know we should have just gone straight across the bridge over Hwy. 2. - cwc]
After clearing the border town of Reynosa and it's large manufacturing sites we entered about a hundred miles of rich agricultural land. The fields for the most part had been harvested for the year, and it was clear to see that GPS assisted steering was being used on the perfectly straight rows. The fields are very large in some cases several miles square. The next hundred miles of travel south beyond hwy 97 on hwy 101 were a continuation of agriculture and related businesses.
[The other group was tracking my SPOT and waited for us at a Pemex near Las Norias and we had lunch in Nuevo Padilla. Someone will have lunch pictures Im sure.- cwc]
At about 220 miles we entered some wonderful flowing terrain with some elevation changes and large sweeping turns following the hills and valleys of the area. The trees are a mixture of hardwoods and palms with a few desert trees like Joshua trees here and there. The afternoon terrain was more pleasing to the eye and the ride.
We arrived in Cd. Mante late afternoon and decided to stay at a pleasant hotel, the JJ Inn. The rooms go for about $45 for two beds for two people, with an included breakfast.
[Actually I was planning to stay in a place Sjoerd Bakker recommended that was much cheaper. We could see it from our Hotel, but once we all stopped there was little interest in moving.- cwc]
As the near by Resturant was not serving food tonight we purchased what amounted to soft tacos from a popular street vendor and ate our supper outside under the shade of a huge old tree. The connected drive through beer store provided us with refreshment. It has been fun getting to know all the members of the group. On the road we have been traveling in two groups one of six bikes the other four bikes. Tomorrow we can take either a direct route of 120 miles to Xilitla or a scenic route of 220 miles, it looks like most everyone will be taking the scenic route.
Right about 300 miles for the day.
Day 1 Track
Day One Elevation
cwc screwed with this post 01-04-2013 at 06:31 PM
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I'm in for your story----never forget running into you and Dean near Creel a few years ago---remember this picture Charlie ?? I was on my old Husqvarna TE610 back then.
Me and my buddy Tim got a bang out of Deans story about submerging his bike in a river near Marguarichi------which we crossed on that same trip.
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Nice to have you and Dean staying over for the night, always a pleasure to host some finer ADVers like yourselves
Looking forward to rest of the story and Xilitila, one of my favorite places in Mexico
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The Bessty group crosses over
The Beasty group departs on time, crossing the border impeded with all we deemed essential for two weeks in Mexico. The US border guards warn us of the dangers of traveling in Mexico.
We are greeted in Matomoros with an immense road construction project. Warnings to stay close and together was the mantra to get us through the bustling, dirty city. What a contrast to the modern town of Brownsville we just left. Getting through Matomoros, it appears, will be easier in the future with the large new road as you cross over into Mexico. There are bicycles everywhere around the construction site, the transportation of choice for the workers. Everyone is dressed in florescent yellow. It's a huge project. Craig and his GPS lead us flawlessly out of town and towards Mante.
Betty says she feels like a drug runner. We are all strangers to carrying so many bills for the Mexcian cash society. Past experience tells us even $100 pescos can present challenges to make change for some days, so that is the largest we carry. One of them is worth about $12 on this trip. It's an odd sensation to have them. We aren't even carrying that much. We've scheduled bank stops later in the trip. If we could only take them home and have them magically become American $100's….
We travel what I call "the road of death" or hwy 180 and hwy 101. If there are signs that tell you how to ride these roads, I can't read them. But it doesn't take long to figure it out. There is a lane and an half. The right side of the road has a dashed line, and then no fog line on the right edge of the road, so it looks like a shoulder. But if you watch long enough, you pick up the pattern from the locals. If you are a car, you are supposed to straddle that dashed line, and passing is allowed on the left side of the lane, and only ½ of the passing car needs to enter the oncoming lane. So, if a motorcycle stays to the left of the dashed line, the idea still works. Better yet, hang inside the dashed line and you're safe. If you constantly stay in the left side of the lane, the oncoming traffic isn't very happy with you. Later, we find out that in Mexico, to make a left turn, you are supposed to pull all the way over on these roads an let others pass, then turn left. Crazy!
I bring along my old I-phone 3G. It's worn out and slow. I have paid At&T $4.99 so I can make calls for $.59 minute, $10 so I can send 50 texts, and $30 so I can send up to 120mb from Mexico. At&T had great coverage in this area. Betty's Verizon I-phone worked with wifi, and made a great camera, but that was it. We are able to use wifi at most of our motels. I've been designated the reporter for our local dual sport group, and send back pics daily to make them jealous at home. My text plan helps us connect with Arturo from Chihuahua. Plans changed for him and he was not able to join us L Susan and Bob's new I-phones with texting were not cooperating as they were supposed to in Mexico. It would have been useful in the days ahead. Phone calls home to our parents aged 87-94 bring stress relief.
Our first gas stop is at the Pemex. So is every other gas stop we make. Curious as to where Charlie and his 5 followers are, we check his spot on my I-phone. The tiny screen makes it a challenge to see. Craig deciphers where we are in relation to the Spotwalla. It appears they are less than 5 minutes behind us! We rush to the road to flag them down. And we make 10. A crazy, large group considering Charlie couldn't get anyone to go with him last year. Mexico is dangerous you know.
Lunch in Nuevo Padilla at El Parador intertwines the group, Bob and Sue are strangers to all but Charlie. Betty and Peter are strangers to all but Linda, Charlie and Craig. Charlie, well sometimes he is just strange. In a good way. What does that menu say? What is the server trying to ask us? My college Spanish attempts to return to my memory, but it isn't easy. Pollo, Pescar, cervasa¸bano….Paul and Charlie carry us through lunch with translations of Spanish. Then a trip to the bano (really, I tried to get my keyboard to do that funny little line above the n, bear with me) We return to this restaurant on our way out of Mexico the food was so good!
Delicious fish soup
Ah, Mexico. Don't flush the toilet paper. Toilet seats are a luxury. Powdered laundry soap for hand soap. Never hot water. The ladies room even has a handle to flush with. The guys, a rope with a piece of wood.
The message stays constant between countries.
We head towards Mante as a group. Curves. This is what we have come for. Betty warms this one up for me.
Arriving at the JJ in Mante, the driveway under the portico is marble. Now this might be a luxury statement except for the fact that it is covered in a fine dust and is so slippery we slide down the hill with our brakes on. Outriggers anyone?
WWCP Charlie heads inside to barter for the nights lodging. Less expensive rooms equals more steps we learn quickly. I knew I should have packed lighter.
Can you pick out the stranger among us the next morning in secured parking? Enjoy this shot. It will be a rare picture of Paul on this trip. He isn't the stranger in this photo. Stay tuned to learn why photos of Paul will be scarce.
Tonight its delicious street vendor food, and exhaust from the drive through beverage store. Tomorrow mountain roads and unexpected change in plans.
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Very nice to see the crew still doing what they LOVE!
We sure miss the gang.
Xilitla.... Crazy place that is. Did you walk up the stairs to space???
Safe travels to all.
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6 november - From Cd. Mante to Excitement
The Dog of the Day (don't get used to it)
A bit of fog and mist early this morning. All 10 of us decided to do the scenic route on nice twisty mountain roads. A scenic stop at Paraje el Meco El Salto waterfalls was a real treat, at over 160 feet of terraced aqua marine blue mountain water coursing through scattered mounds of bright green water plants.
We then continued our course through the mountains until a slow seeping spring coming right through the asphalt on a sharp uphill corner caused Sue to slide out. Charlie was the first to get to her as she slid along the road separate from her sliding F800 ST BMW. Sue was conscious and for the most part ok. A passing pickup took her to the nearby clinic for stitches between the first two fingers on her left hand and cleaning and bandages on scuffing on her right arm.
[It was quite a shock to say the least when I came around the corner and saw Susan sliding down the road behind her bike. I parked as quickly as I could and when I got to her she was standing up, so I knew there was no hip failure. cwc]
Susans Waterloo
The bike had a dime sized hole in the engine cover. We fixed it.
Charlie and Craig with the aid of J B Weld epoxy sealed up her engine case where it had worn through while sliding down the asphalt. Peter went and got 3 quarts of oil, it took two to top it off and the bike now seems to be running fine. Sue is a real trooper and said like when a horse bucks you off, you get back on.
We regrouped and headed for Cuidad Maiz where most of us ate an all you could eat chicken lunch served family style for about $4.50 each.
Betty's DR 650 did not want to run smoothly, so Craig and Peter pulled the carburetor and plugs to try to remedy the rough running engine.
No success yet, sounds like we will stay here for the night, this will give the mechanics in the group time to try and fix Betty's bike.
We check into the better of two poor motels in town, $18 for two beds, you get towels and a roll of Toilet paper when you pay for the room. Craig, Peter , Linda, and Charlie began swapping components from Linda's DR 650 to Betty's DR 650, after each component swap Peter would test ride the bike.
After numerous tests, someone wondered about the air cleaner. With the air cleaner partially removed Betty's bike ran with out faltering. So Peter will wash it out completely let it dry and put it back together in the morning.
[This is the second recently serviced air cleaner that has fooled me in Mexico. The person who worked on Betty's bike wasn't familiar with foam air cleaners and had apparently left WAAAY to much oil in it. - cwc]
While waiting for results Betty helps Susan tune up her bandages.
The group is going for supper now, I'm not hungry and will try to catch up on last nights lost sleep. No Wi-Fi at this motel, pretty much no anything. Funny thing is both Charlie and I said we never wanted to stay in Corn Town again. Elevation of 4,000 feet here, we both asked for a blanket for each bed as there is no heat in the room.
With the delays of the day we drove approximately 97 miles.
Day 2 Track
Day 2 Elevation
cwc screwed with this post 01-04-2013 at 06:32 PM
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Good to hear from y'all.
We might go again. You could come along.
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Linda wrote: "It will be a rare picture of Paul on this trip. Stay tuned to learn why photos of Paul will be scarce."
I'm sure there was a sigh of relief from all over ADV land at that announcement!
Kevin and I left the rest of the group behind in Maiz and continued on without them. We hoped that they would catch up, but we didn't see them again on this trip.
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Savory Cheesecake with Pear Compote Topping
Simple, yet elegant, this spread pairs the rich flavors of gorgonzola and mascarpone with the season's freshest organically grown pears and dried cranberries.
For cheesecake
- 3 medium shallots, finely diced Add to list
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Caramelize shallots in a pan on medium-high heat in butter. When the shallots have turned medium to dark brown, remove from heat and let stand. Blend the cheeses in a mixer until the gorgonzola crumbles have broken into small bits. Then, add eggs and salt and pepper to taste.
Lightly butter two 12-ounce ramekins and fill halfway with cheesecake batter. Top with a layer of caramelized shallots, then fill with remainder of cheesecake batter, smoothing tops with the back of a spoon.
Put ramekins into a deep baking dish and pour water around them to come halfway up the sides of the ramekins. Bake filled ramekins at 400º F for 45 minutes until the tops of the cheesecakes are golden brown and the cheesecakes are still jiggly in the center. Remove from oven and cool in water bath to help prevent the tops from cracking.
For pear compote topping
Simmer all ingredients on high until pears are soft, cranberries have plumped and liquid is reduced by half.
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Large Chorus of School Youth and Children Given
| Pyongyang, July 27 (KCNA) -- A large chorus of school youth and children in Pyongyang "Forward towards Final Victory" was given at Kim Il Sung Square on Sunday, the 61st anniversary of the victory of the Korean people in the Fatherland Liberation War.
Youth and students presented the waltz of celebrations to the tunes of songs "Tell, Fireworks of War Victory" and "Holiday of Great War Victory".
In large chorus "Cantata to Marshal Kim Il Sung" and kayagum solo and chorus "Nilliri for Songun" the performers sang high praises of the immortal feats of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il who brought about the day of the second liberation by wisely leading the army and the people of the DPRK and made sure that the ever-victorious history and tradition are given steady continuity on this land.
The stage of true stories by war veterans "July 27, Victory Day in the War, Should Be Continued through Generations" and poem "Accept This Flag" fully reflected the fighting spirit displayed by heroic soldiers in the war in the 1950s.
Trumpet trio and chorus "For My Only Motherland" and brass music and Taekwon-Do "Pyongyang Nalpharam" showed the firm determination of the rising generation to live and struggle like heroes just as those of the preceding generation did.
Among the audience were Cha Hui Rim, chairman of the Pyongyang City People's Committee, officials concerned, war veterans and school youth and children in the city.
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The knee of a person is examined with the help of radiography after an injury.
|Classification and external resources
Injury is damage to a biological organism caused by physical means.[1] Major trauma is injury that can potentially lead to serious outcomes.
In 2013 4.8 million people died from injuries up from 4.3 million in 1990. More than 30% of these deaths were transport related injuries. In 2013 367,000 children less than five died from injuries down from 766,000 in 1990.[2] Injuries are the cause of 9% of all death and are the sixth leading cause of death in the world.[3][4]
The United States Bureau of Labor Statistics developed the Occupational Injury and Illness Classification System (OIICS). Under this system injuries are classified by
- nature,
- part of body affected,
- source and secondary source, and
- event or exposure.
The OIICS was first published in 1992 and has been updated several times since.[5]
The World Health Organization developed the International Classification of External Causes of Injury (ICECI). Under this system, injuries are classified by
- mechanism of injury,
- objects/substances producing injury,
- place of occurrence,
- activity when injured,
- the role of human intent,
and additional modules. The classification is designed to allow researchers to study the cause of injuries and injury prevention.[6]
The Orchard Sports Injury Classification System (OSICS) is used to classify injuries to enable research into specific sports injuries.[7]
By cause[edit]
- Intentional injury
- Accidents
By modality[edit]
- Traumatic injury, a body wound or shock produced by sudden physical collision or movement[8]
- Repetitive strain injury or other strain injury
- Other injuries from external physical causes, such as radiation poisoning, burn, or frostbite
- Injury from toxin or as adverse effect of a pharmaceutical drug (e.g., vaccine injury)
- Injury from internal causes such as reperfusion injury
By location[edit]
- Wound, an injury in which skin is torn, cut or punctured (an open wound), or where blunt force trauma causes a contusion (a closed wound). In pathology, it specifically refers to a sharp injury which damages the dermis of the skin.
- Brain injury
- Nerve injury
- Soft tissue injury
- Cell damage, including direct DNA damage
- Lisfranc injury
- Tracheobronchial injury
- Eye injury
- Acute kidney injury
- Knee injury
- Back injury
- Hand injury
- Liver injury
- Head injury
- Musculoskeletal injury
- Acute lung injury
- Pancreatic injury
- Thoracic aorta injury
- Biliary injury
- Chest injury
By activity[edit]
- Sports injury
- Occupational injury
- Ventilator-associated lung injury
- Sea urchin injury
- Transfusion-related acute lung injury
- Illness and injuries during spaceflight
See also[edit]
- ^ "Wounds and Injuries: MedlinePlus". Nlm.nih.gov. Retrieved 2014-03-29.
- ^ GBD 2013 Mortality and Causes of Death, Collaborators (17 December 2014). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013.". Lancet. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMID 25530442.
- ^ "The top 10 causes of death". Retrieved 24 May 2015.
- ^ Stein DM, Santucci RA (July 2015). "An update on urotrauma". Current opinion in urology 25 (4): 323–30. doi:10.1097/MOU.0000000000000184. PMID 26049876.
- ^ "Occupational Injury and Illness Classification System". Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Retrieved 2014-03-24.
- ^ "International Classification of External Causes of Injury (ICECI)". World Health Organization. Retrieved 2014-03-24.
- ^ Rae, K; Orchard, J (May 2007). "The Orchard Sports Injury Classification System (OSICS) version 10". Clin J Sport Med. 17 (3): 201–4. doi:10.1097/jsm.0b013e318059b536. PMID 17513912.
- ^ "Trauma". Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com, LLC. 2010. Retrieved 2010-10-31.


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The new double A-side digital single "Ghost Town" / "Let Me Do My Thing" was released on 8th October on Tru Thoughts, announcing the emphatic return of New Orleans' premier purveyors of roof-raising, jazz-infused, hip hop-fired marching band music, straight from the heart and fresh from the second line parades.
Featuring a cover version of The Specials' classic, alongside an original song, this single is the first taste of Hot 8 Brass Band's eagerly awaited secondalbum, "The Life And Times Of" which follows on 12th November, and marks their first full LP since 2007's highly acclaimed debut "Rock With The Hot 8" put them on the global stage.
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Bush awards posthumous Navy Cross President Bush has awarded the Navy Cross posthumously to Alfonso Chavarrias for heroic action as a Navy gunners mate on the aircraft carrier Intrepid during a key World War II battle off the Philippines. Petty officer 3rd Class, Chavarrias was gun captain of a 20mm anti-aircraft gun on the Intrepid when a Japanese plane dove at the aircraft carrier during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. May 02
Captain Edward L. Beach has died aged 84 Submariner and author who commanded the nuclear-powered Triton on the first submerged circumnavigation of the globe. At the end of the voyage Beach was decorated with the Legion of Merit by a delighted President Eisenhower. Among his decorations for his war services were the Navy Cross and the Silver Star. More Dec 02
Retired Navy Captain Awarded Navy Cross Retired Navy Capt. Charles W. Rush Jr.., a 20-year veteran of the submarine service, was awarded the Navy Cross 59 years after his heroic efforts during a World War II combat patrol aboard USS Billfish (SS 286), in a ceremony held April 5 at the U.S. Naval Academy's Memorial Hall More Apr 02
Vietnam vet overdue for Medal of Honor Marine corporal Richard Gresko served his country in Vietnam, his body was shattered by the full force of an exploding North Vietnamese hand grenade. Totally ignoring the threat to his own life, Gresko had flung his body onto the grenade to protect four other members of his unit. For his action in diving onto the enemy grenade, Gresko was eventually awarded the Navy Cross, the second highest military decoration for valor a Marine serving in combat can receive. Yet despite this rare and prestigious award, there are many of us who feel he deserved and should have been given the nation's top tribute, the Medal of Honor. Montgomery County Record, PA - 6 Jul 2003
Navy Cross recipient remembers sinking of Yamato As his Helldiver dive bomber burst straight down out of the clouds at 290 knots, 21-year-old pilot Lt. j.g. Ed Sieber saw the target: Japan's super-battleship Yamato, the largest, most powerful warship ever built. Sieber was officially credited with two bomb hits on the Yamato and received the Navy Cross for his part in helping sink the huge ship that day. The Ledger 28 Feb 04
Museum creating USS Ware exhibit In late August 2005, the McMinn County Living Heritage Museum will celebrate a new and permanent exhibit designed to honor the destroyer USS Charles R. Ware, the veterans who served on her and the ship's namesake, Lt. Charles Rollins Ware, the Athens hero who died in the Battle of Midway during World War II. For his gallantry and service Lt. Ware was awarded the Navy Cross, with the following citation: "For extraordinary heroism and courageous devotion to duty while piloting an airplane of a Scouting Squadron in action against enemy Japanese forces in the Battle of Midway during the period of June 4-6, 1942. Participating in a devastating assault against a Japanese invasion fleet, Lieutenant Ware, with fortitude and resolute devotion to duty, pressed home his attacks in the face of a formidable barrage of anti-aircraft fire and fierce fighter opposition. His gallant perseverance and disregard for his own personal safety were important contributing factors to the success achieved by our forces and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service." McNinn County Online 24 Mar 04
|Pentagon salutes Hispanic WWII vets The Pentagon honored nine Hispanic World War II veterans. Honorees included: Sgt. Raymond P. Alvarado who saved two fellow Soldiers and three British sailors from drowning following a German missile attack that claimed more than 1,100 allied lives. Chief Yeoman Osvaldo Eiaz-Espada who served in the Navy during World War II in both the Atlantic and Pacific theaters of war. He also served in the Korean War. Pfc. Guy Gabaldon who, as a Los Angeles youth, was adopted by a Japanese-American family and later served in the Marines as a Japanese interpreter in the Pacific. Using language skills, Gabaldon was credited with capturing more than 1,000 Japanese military forces. His military awards include the Navy Cross and the Silver Star. Gabaldon told attendees he was captured only once by a single Japanese individual -- his wife, who captured his heart years after the war. Staff Sgt. Andres Ignacio Gallegos, an airborne trooper, who served as a medic in both the European and Pacific theaters. Pfc. Raul Gonzales who taught English to Spanish-speaking-only Soldiers at Fort Benning, Ga., during the war, and served briefly in the Pacific at the end of the war. Staff Sgt. Pete Jimenez (pictured left) who served with the 29th Infantry Division from the invasion of France on Omaha Beach through the surrender of Germany -- earning five Purple Hearts for wounds along the way. Other awards include a Bronze Star with V device and the French Legion of Honor and Croix de Guerre. Sgt. Jose Lopez served as an infantryman with the 2nd Infantry Division in Europe where his actions lead to a Medal of Honor. His Medal of Honor citation credited Lopez with killing more than 100 enemy soldiers and saving his company from being enveloped in one action. Cpl. Frank Median, an Army Air Corps B-24 tail gunner, survived eight months behind enemy lines after his bomber was shot down in Italy. Median told attendees that was one time he truly appreciated being Hispanic as his skin and hair color allowed him to blend in with the local population. Pfc. Ignacio Servin served as a combat engineer in the Pacific. He was awarded a Silver Star for gallantry for destroying an enemy ammunition dump. Servin told attendees he didn't volunteer for the mission to earn any medals -- he only wanted to prove to his company commander and comrades that Hispanic Soldiers were just as brave as any other Soldier. dcmilitary.com 17 Sep 04
Marine honored by Navy for his bravery in Iraq A 29-year-old Marine from upstate New York received the Navy's second highest award last week for charging into enemy trenches during an ambush in Iraq and continuing his attack after depleting his ammunition. Marine Capt. Brian R. Chontosh, of Rochester, N.Y., received the Navy Cross Medal in a ceremony at Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Training Center, Twentynine Palms. The Navy Cross is second only to the Congressional Medal of Honor. redding.com 12 May 04 More usmc.mil May 04
|Tuesday Marks Waco War Hero Doris Miller's 85th Birthday World War II hero Doris Miller was the U.S. Navy Mess Mate who manned a gun on the USS West Virginia during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, downing as many as five enemy planes. Miller was awarded the Navy Cross for his gallantry, although some supporters have continued to work to try to convince the Navy to award Miller the Congressional Medal of Honor. Miller died on Nov. 24, 1943 during the battle of the Gilbert Islands, when his ship was torpedoed and sunk in the Pacific Ocean. kwtx.com Oct 04
|MCC honors Lowell WWII veteran for heroism behind enemy lines It was May 2, 1944, five weeks before the D-Day invasion, when Edwin Poitras parachuted behind enemy lines in northern France to gather intelligence and train the French resistance. Poitras was alone. Two men sent to do his job before him had disappeared, and all three of the airplanes that flew Poitras to France were shot down before the night was over. Technically a member of the Navy, Poitras but actually worked for the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, a precursor to the Central Intelligence Agency. He was a spy, and to this day he cannot talk about many of his missions. His records remain sealed in Langley, Va., and will remain so forever as far as he knows. But his heroism that's no secret. The Lowell veteran, now 82, has won the Navy Cross and the United Kingdom's Conspicuous Gallantry Medal, the highest medal the UK can bestow on a noncitizen. Poitras is one of only five Americans ever to receive the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal. He was also nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor, but could not get it since his records could not be unsealed. Poitras, who for years had trouble even getting military benefits because of his sealed records. He was wounded three times, shot once, stabbed with a bayonet, and hurt by a grenade. Each time, he had no proper medical assistance. He never got a Purple Heart because he was never treated by military medical crews. lowellsun.com 8 Nov 04
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Navy Cross Citation - LA POINTE, Alvin S Pte USMC. For extraordinary heroism while serving as a rifleman with Company C, First Battalion, Seventh Marines in Quang Ngai Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 March 1966. marzone.com
Navy Cross Citation - Corporal Earl W. Fowler USMC For extraordinary heroism while serving as a Squad Leader with Company C, First Battalion, Seventh Marines in action against insurgent communist forces (Viet Cong) in the Republic of Vietnam on 28 March 1966. marzone.com
|Orleck's Navy Cross "The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the NAVY CROSS to LIEUTENANT JOSEPH ORLECK, UNITED STATES NAVY for service, were the words introducing the following citation: For extraordinary heroism in action as Commanding Officer of the U.S.S. NAUSET during the amphibious invasion of Italy on September 9, 1943. ussorleck.org
|Minenam earns Navy Cross Admiral Douglas C. Plate present. Navy Cross to Mineman First Martin in Ceremony at Naval Schools, Mine Warfare, Charleston, SC in 1969 for service in Vietnam. Other medals include: Bronze Star - Combat V, Purple Heart, Navy Commendation Medal, Combat Action Ribbon, Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation (2), Good Conduct (3), National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry with Bronze Star, RVN Presidential Unit Citation, RVN Meritorious Unit Citation, Vietnam Campaign Medal. triad.rr.com
|U.S. Marine Corps 1st Sgt. Justin Lehew Navy Cross recipient 1st Sgt. Justin D. Lehew, company first sergeant, Company C, Battalion Landing Team 1st Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable), recounts the day during Operation Iraqi Freedom when his amtrac unit was engaged in heavy fighting in An Nasiriyah. defendamerica.mil
Citations of the 5 Seawolves Who Were Awarded the Navy Cross:
Allen E. Weseleskey, 9 March 1968
James R. Walker, 15 September 1968
Lloyd T. Williams Jr., 28 April 1969
Robert E. Baratko, 15 September 1970
Norman B. Stayton, 26 March 1971
Navy Cross Citations - USMC 1st Div 3rd Bn 5th Marines - Vietnam 1966-1971
Marine Receives Navy Cross Gunnery sergeant Justin D. Lehew has been awarded the Navy Cross for his actions on March 23, 2003. Lehew was a platoon sergeant for Company A, 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, Task Force Tarawa, during Operation Iraqi Freedom. strategypage.com 31 Aug 04
13 Recon Marines from the Third Recon Battalion - Navy Cross Citations
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Navy Cross Citations 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines Mike Coy and H&S Coy
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Admiral McCain Presents the Navy Cross to Ltjg. Alfred 'Fritz' Decesaro of VB15 ussessex.bravepages.com
World War II Navy Cross Recipient Visits Pacific Fleet Submariners World War II Navy Cross recipient retired Capt. Charles W. Rush Jr. met with submariners aboard Naval Station Pearl Harbor April 12-15. In November 1943, Rush, 85, of Port Saint Lucie, Fla., and his fellow crew members aboard USS Billfish (SS 286), were inundated with depth charges by the Japanese. Rush, then a lieutenant, is credited with saving Billfish and all hands on board. He directed damage control efforts after the severe depth charge attack incapacitated the ship's captain and all officers senior to Rush. m1-garand.com
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Awarded Navy Cross Secretary of the Navy Gordon R.
England, right, presented the Navy Cross to Hospitalman Luis E.
Fonseca. Fonseca, a 23-year-old corpsman, was awarded the Navy Cross for
his actions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom March 23, 2003, while
serving with Amphibious Assault Vehicle Platoon, Company C, 1st
Battalion, 2nd Marines, Task Force Tarawa, II Marine Expeditionary
Force. news.navy.mil 12 Aug 04
|Byrd, Richard Evelyn, Jr. - Navy awards: Navy Cross, Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit with gold star, Distinguished Flying Cross. arlingtoncemetery.net
|Franz N. Kanaga, Commander, USN Navy Cross Citation - On July 24, 1945, U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander Franz Kanaga led a squadron of dive bombers toward the Japanese battleship Hyuga in the inland Sea of Japan, south of the Japanese naval base at Kure. arlingtoncemetery.net
USS SLC CA25 WWII Navy Cross Citations
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Marines remember, honor fallen hero Cpl. Bryant Collins is awarded the Navy Cross for heroically recovering Reasoner's body and a second, wounded Marine while effectively engaging Viet Cong forces near Da Nang on July 12, 1965. The men of A Company, 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion, remembered their company commander, 1st Lt. Frank S. Reasoner. Because of Reasoner and his Marines, July 12, 1965, would be a day remembered by the Corps for conspicuous acts of gallantry and heroism that would end in the posthumous awarding of a Medal of Honor for Reasoner, a Navy Cross for Collins, and three Silver Stars for 2nd Lt. Bill Henderson, Lance Cpl. Fred L. Murray and Pfc. Thomas Gatlin. dcmilitary.com 10 Dec 04
Adm. Sheldon Kinney; Veteran of 3 Wars Sheldon Hoard Kinney, 86, a retired Navy rear admiral whose ship sank three German U-boats in one night and who saw combat service in three wars, died Dec. 11, 2004. He was a former commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy. He received the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for Heroism for diving from his ship to rescue two downed aviators. Later, the Sturtevant was sunk, and he survived by floating on a bag of coffee beans. He took command of the USS Edsall in 1943, becoming the youngest commanding officer of a destroyer-type ship. He then commissioned and took command of the USS Bronstein. The Bronstein was credited with sinking three German U-boats in one night and putting a fourth out of action. He was awarded the Navy Cross, and the Bronstein received a Presidential Unit Citation. His other military decorations include the Legion of Merit (Combat V) with two Gold Stars, the Bronze Star (Combat V) and the Navy Commendation Medal. washingtonpost.com 8 Jan 05
Decorated Marine Robert Taplett Dies Col.Robert D. Taplett, 86, a heavily decorated Marine colonel who led his 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, in the grueling strategic retreat at Chosin Reservoir during the Korean War, died Dec. 17, 2004 of congestive heart failure. Col. Taplett was awarded the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, the Legion of Merit and a Bronze Star. washingtonpost.com 8 Jan 05
Parris Island drill instructor receives bravery award A Parris Island drill instructor who was shot in the leg but managed to lead Marines up an Afghanistan mountainside in pursuit of enemy troops in 2004 has received the Navy Cross. Staff Sgt. Anthony C. Viggiani, 25, was given the award during a graduation ceremony at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot on Parris Island. On June 3, 2004, Viggiani's unit came under fire while pursuing Taliban fighters, north of the village of Khabargho in the Zabol province. Enemy fire pinned down one of Viggiani's teams, wounding two Marines, but he pressed on until he came upon Taliban fighters in a cave, the Marine Corps said. Viggiani fired into the cave and then threw a grenade, killing three enemy troops. Viggiani's company continued its advance and eventually defeated the enemy fighters. During the battle, a bullet ricocheted off a rock and struck Viggiani in the leg. thestate.com 25 Feb 06
|Pendleton Marine earns Navy Cross for valor in Iraq A Marine will receive the naval service's second-highest award for valor displayed during an insurgent attack in Iraq, when, badly wounded, he saved another Marine's life. Marine 1st Sgt. Bradley Kasal will receive the Navy Cross and be promoted to the rank of sergeant major. Kasal had been wounded by shrapnel and bullets during fighting in Fallujah – losing 60 percent of his blood – when he saved another Marine's life by shielding him from an exploding grenade. Kasal, who suffered 40 shrapnel wounds, served as first sergeant, Weapons Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. So far, only nine other Navy Cross Medals have been awarded during Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. signonsandeigo.com 1 May 06
|DI receives Navy Cross for extraordinary bravery in Iraq Sergeant Jeremiah Workman, a drill instructor with Delta Company, 2nd Recruit Training Battalion and Richwood, Va., native, received the Navy Cross for actions while on deployment in Fallujah, Iraq, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2004. He was awarded for extraordinary heroism, while serving as a squad leader for the Mortar Platoon, Weapons Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, Regimental Combat Team 1, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, Calif. Workman, exemplifying the old adage "no man left behind," repeatedly exposed himself to a hail of enemy fire to retrieve isolated Marines trapped inside an insurgent-infested building. Ignoring heavy enemy fire and a storm of grenades raining down on his position, Workman fearlessly laid down enough cover fire to allow the trapped Marines to escape. After seeing the first group of wounded Marines safely to a neighboring yard, Workman rallied additional Marines to his side and provided more cover fire for an attack into the building to rescue other Marines still trapped. He continued to fire even after receiving numerous shrapnel wounds to his arms and legs after a grenade exploded in front of him, stated his citation. Workman's efforts did not stop after the second rescue attack. Ignoring his wounds, Workman once again united his team for a final assault strike into the building to retrieve remaining Marines and to clear the building of insurgents. "Basically, we got ambushed," said Workman. "There were insurgents on the second floor in a bedroom. We fought our way up the stairs. There were grenades going off around us [and] small arms fire everywhere." During the course of the fight, Workman was responsible for the elimination of more than 20 insurgents. marines.mil 18 May 06
|Drill Instructor Receives Navy Cross for Bravery in Iraq Sgt. Jeremiah Workman, a drill instructor with Delta Company, 2nd Recruit Training Battalion, and native of Richwood, Va., received the Navy Cross for actions while on deployment in Fallujah, Iraq, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2004. According to the citation, he was awarded for extraordinary heroism, while serving as a squad leader for the Mortar Platoon, Weapons Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, Regimental Combat Team 1, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, Calif. Workman, exemplifying the old adage "no man left behind," repeatedly exposed himself to a hail of enemy fire to retrieve isolated Marines trapped inside an insurgent-infested building. Ignoring heavy enemy fire and a storm of grenades raining down on his position, Workman fearlessly laid down enough cover fire to allow the trapped Marines to escape. After seeing the first group of wounded Marines safely to a neighboring yard, Workman rallied additional Marines to his side and provided more cover fire for an attack into the building to rescue other Marines still trapped. He continued to fire even after receiving numerous shrapnel wounds to his arms and legs after a grenade exploded in front of him, stated his citation. Workman's efforts did not stop after the second rescue attack. Ignoring his wounds, Workman once again united his team for a final assault strike into the building to retrieve remaining Marines and to clear the building of insurgents."Basically, we got ambushed," he said. "There were insurgents on the second floor in a bedroom. We fought our way up the stairs. There were grenades going off around us (and) small arms fire everywhere." During the course of the fight, Workman was responsible for the elimination of more than 20 insurgents. blackanthem.com 29 May 06
Steadfast valor, and a Navy Cross Lance Cpl. Christopher S. Adlesperger, who died in Fallujah, joined an elite brotherhood when the Marine Corps posthumously awarded him the Navy Cross. The medal is the 15th Navy Cross awarded to Marines for their combat actions in Iraq or Afghanistan. Adlesperger is the fifth member of the Camp Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines, to receive the Navy Cross, the most service crosses given to members of any unit that's fought in Iraq or Afghanistan so far. The others:
** 1st Lt. Brian R. Chontosh, combined anti-armor platoon commander with Weapons Company, for his actions after his platoon came under a coordinated ambush south of Dawaniyah on March 25, 2003. After leading an assault on a machinegun, he cleared a trench of Iraqi fighters with his weapons and grabbed and fired Iraqi weapons and an Iraqi rocket-propelled grenade launcher against enemy fighters — single-handedly clearing more 200 meters of trenches of enemy fighters.
** Lance Cpl. Joseph B. Perez, a rifleman with India Company, for clearing and leading his squad in a fight to take an enemy Iraqi trench south of Baghdad on April 4, 2003. At one point, he continued to lead and direct his squad despite getting shot in the shoulder and torso by Iraqi fighters, and he silenced a machinegun bunker by firing an AT-4 rocket into it, killing four enemy fighters.
** Sgt. Jarrett A. Kraft, a squad leader with Weapon's mortar platoon, for his actions organizing and leading three counterassaults over two hours during a battalion push through Fallujah on Dec. 23, 2004. Several times, Kraft, of Fresno, Calif., was knocked down by enemy grenades, wounding him, and the blast of a U.S. Abrams battle tank's main gun, but continued to lead the men and help the wounded.
** Cpl. Jeremiah W. Workman, a squad leader with Weapon's mortar platoon, for his actions in Fallujah on Dec. 23, 2004, as he provided covering fire in a heavy firefight that allowed Marines isolated in a building to move to safety. Twice, he led assaults into the building to battle insurgent fighters and rescue wounded Marines. As he provided additional covering fire, a grenade exploded by Workman, of Richwood, Ohio, sending shrapnel into his legs and arms, but the corporal continued to fire. Despite his wounds, he led a third assault into the building to help the Marines before reinforcements arrived. He's credited with killing 24 insurgents during that battle. navytimes.com 14 Apr 07
|Slain Marines awarded Navy Cross Two young Marines will be posthumously awarded the Navy Cross for stopping a terrorist attack on a Marine and Iraqi police outpost in Ramadi and saving dozens of lives, the Marine Corps announced. Lance Cpl. Jordan Haerter, 19, of Sag Harbor, N.Y., and Cpl. Jonathan Yale, 21, of Burkeville, Va., were standing guard on April 22 when a truck filled with 2,000 pounds of explosives barreled toward the outpost's main gate. Haerter and Yale, following Marine training, fired at the truck. As the truck rolled to a stop, it exploded, killing the pair, demolishing a nearby mosque and house, and leaving a crater 20 feet in diameter and 5 feet deep. Security film showed that the two Marines never flinched as they continued to fire at the truck, according to an investigation by the Marine Corps. "Both Marines were killed still firing their weapons," said Maj. Gen. John Kelly, the top Marine in Iraq. Three Marines, eight Iraqi officers and 24 civilians -- all more than 100 yards from the blast -- were injured. An additional 50 Marines and dozens of Iraqi police officers, in a barracks farther from the gate, were unhurt. feeds.latimes.com 21 Nov 08
|Marine to receive medal for bravery in Afghanistan Lance Cpl. Brady Gustafson has been awarded the Navy Cross. Gustafson, 22, from Eagan, Minn., is credited with saving Marine lives by continuing to fire at the enemy during an insurgent ambush in Afghanistan in July, despite being seriously wounded. He lost the lower part of his right leg and now walks with a prosthetic. A turret gunner, Gustafson helped his colleagues escape the "kill zone" and refused to be evacuated until Marines were out of danger. Bleeding profusely, Gustafson "braved the effects of shock and reloaded his weapon twice, firing more than 400 rounds before he allowed himself to be pulled from the turret to receive medical treatment," according to the citation signed by Navy Secretary Donald Winter. latimesblog.latimes.com 27 Mar 09


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When the game launched, there were a lot of gushing reviews, but few wanted to talk much about combat. Rather, it was, the game has combat, but let's go back and gush some more about the cut scenes that you'll soon learn to skip once you realize that the conclusion is "please go kill 10 rats for me". No one seemed to be willing to defend the game's combat as anything better than just another mediocre WoW-clone, and the fans mostly wanted to focus on frivolous details. So I wrote off the game as yet another mostly-combat game with bad combat, and therefore, a bad game.
Last night, I was playing Uncharted Waters Online, and the conversation turned to various other games. Mostly it was about upcoming games (Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World), but one person in the company (basically a guild) said that he was playing SWTOR. I brought up what I said in the above paragraph about the game sure looking like a mostly combat game with bad combat, and he insisted that, while he didn't like WoW, the combat in SWTOR was pretty good.
So I asked what made the combat any good. In order for combat to be any good, success and failure should depend heavily on what the player does in combat, and not mostly be a check to see if your level and gear are good enough to continue. At first, he scrounged around with, if your gear is too low level, you die. And if your party composition is bad, you die. I objected that that's determined before you enter a battle--and a pretty good description of combat in a typical game where the combat is awful.
But then he came up with something different. He said that at the level cap, he has 17 skills that he uses a lot. And he insisted that he needs them all. Not just occasional gadget skills that you need here and there. But if he tried to get through a battle by picking five skills and spamming them, he'd die horribly, no matter which skills he picked. And yet, while using his 17 main skills intelligently, he hardly ever dies.
So I have a few questions. First, is that an accurate description of combat in SWTOR? If the game really can regularly force you to make complicated decisions on which skills to use, with victory or failure depending heavily on finding the right ones for the situation, then that could make for a pretty good combat system. Still, I have this nagging suspicion that he's simply never played a game with good combat, and merely thinks SWTOR combat is less bad than some others he's played. Land combat that is less bad than that of UWO isn't exactly high praise (UWO isn't mostly about combat, so poor land combat is a forgivable flaw).
Second, if a game forces you to use a lot of skills, then how does it do it? Guild Wars manages to force you to need all of the skills on your skillbar by having cooldowns, so that you can't just spam one skill over and over. But needing to frequently use 6 or 7 skills is a long way from regularly needing to make use of 17.
And third, if the combat is any good, then why doesn't anyone want to talk about it? TERA forums, for example, have a lot of talk about the game's combat system. There seem to be two major wikis for SWTOR, of which has as its main combat page a stub that hasn't been updated this year, and the home page of the other doesn't even have a link to details about the game's land combat system at all.
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The combat in SWTOR is ok at best, its not boring but its not that exciting.
Like all tab target games , there are a couple skills you use a lot more then other. But you do get a lot of skills to use.
IMO too man, you dont have enough places to put them, and sort of overwhelms you with trying to organize and find them during a fight. Some classes have a very simple rotation while others are faily complex. And some are just too tedious to be fun.
But I personally do think that most of it comes down to gear really, I dont find this game made any advancment into the combat system over WOW.
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Joined: 1/29/11
No man controls my destiny... especially not one who attacks downwind and stinks of garlic.
I guess it depends on the class, but as a Sorcerer I was not using 17 different skills during a fight. I did use more as a Jugg though. Many of the jugs skills though seemed like carbon copies of WoW's protection warrirors, and they are known to have a lot of procs and such, at least when I played it.
For my sorc, there was a lightning skill I spammed that proced other spells to cast for free or insta-casts. Wasn't too terribly exciting tbh. I enjoyed the combat at first, but like many tab targetting games I got bored pretty quickly. Overall I would say the combat for a 'themepark' type game is not too shabby. I did enjoy more than say Rift. It's still very WoW-ish though.
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For me, combat was so routine and easy that I just stood in one spot and only had to point and click. I didn't get into the PVP side of it but think they made PVP kinda useless ATM anyway.
Everything I did was the same smash and grab mechanics. I didn't have to put much thought into combating anything for the time I played and is one reason why I no longer am.
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Depends how you feel about tab-target combat. It's your standard WoW combat with no auto-attack, but more complex combat animations. If you are are tired of tab-target combat, you won't enjoy it. If you are fine with that type of combat, it's the best tab-target combat I"ve seen.
Combat is actually one of the game's main strengths. It's as good as you can get for the type of tab-target combat that it is.
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IT could be better now, but when I played, it felt delayed and not too reactive....To be fair though, I do think they have improved it, from what I have read since then though....But it wasn't anything special, and I would say disappointing.
I don't like it as a mmo, but I got my $ worth, a lot would say they didn't, but I got a month out of it, kept waiting for the 'opens up', and other things people said happens, but once I hit 35-40, I figured I was lied to, or their version of opening up is pretty lame.
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Combat is geared to the mouse clicker types, which is fine for PVE but annoying to those that like to PVP. PVP combat by definition blows based on that.
Only reason to play SWTOR is the unique way they deliver story. Once you blow through the story (took me less than a month as I typically don't like to do alts) then you might as well unsubscribe: all other MMO features are pretty poor.
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Originally posted by Xthos
same here. i would describe combat as slow, unresponsive, and clunky at best. especially when you start doing some fast paced pvp you really start seeing some crappy delays and, at times, some actions even fail to work. one example of this is the crouching ability, there are quite a few places where it just doesnt work. the targeting is also quite annoying, many times it just doesn't want to target the guy right in front of you, on occasion i've even had to use the mouse cursor to target enemies because my "target nearest enemy" button just woudn't pick up the enemy right in front of me..... just a lot fo shit like that.
WoW's combat feels incredibly smoother and more responsive.
i would give it a 7 out of 10.
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I'm not necessarily against tab target combat, but a game does need to do something to make combat interesting. I liked combat in Champions Online, partly because of blocking, and partly because Cryptic took the approach that if they've only got five seconds worth of interesting combat decisions for you to make, then they'll let the battle end in five seconds and then you can move on rather than making you wait a full minute for the battle to end. I liked combat in Guild Wars for a variety of reasons, several of which boil down to the need to actively counter what the enemy is doing.
What I don't like is combat like WoW, where you pull something, and then basically wait a minute for the battle to end without really having to pay attention. Then you repeat as many times as necessary to finish the quest and go turn it in. Maybe you have to spam a few skills, but there isn't much in the way of interesting combat decisions that force you to pay attention. WoW combat is mostly a level and gear check. If you're high enough level with good enough gear, you win, and if not, you lose, and there isn't much area between those.
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When the game launched, there were responsiveness issues, particularly in PvP combat when there was a high density of players in one area. Most of those problems have been corrected. Responsiveness isn't much of an issue any more. The abilities fire off when they should, although I still get the occassional animation "hiccup" on casted abilities. It still fires off, and the damage is still applied, but the animation will get clipped every now and then.
As far as the comparison to WoW combat, it's the same general type of combat, but you can't begin a fight in this game, go make a sandwich, and still be alive when you come back. There is no auto attack, so if you aren't physically pressing buttons when the global cooldown finishes, then you aren't attacking. Instead of the auto-attack, what you get are longer combat animations that fill in most that of that GCD gap. So in most games, you hit your "light saber strike" attack, and your character will take one swing and that's it. In this game, you lightsaber attack may consist of a couple different moves chained together in the same animation---maybe a forward slash followed by a backhand attack. One attack, but a longer animation that fills in that GCD gap. It takes a little getting used to at first because it "feels slower" while "looking" faster and more action-oriented, if that makse sense.
Combat feels a bit different in this game, but doesn't take long to get used to. And it definitely has a more visceral feel to it, particularly in melee, than other tab-target games. Very fun combat animations, very cool abilities, improved responsiveness (still don't think it's as crisp as WoW, however), and the fact that most fights have you fighting at least 3 mobs at once. It's a solid 8 out of 10 IMO.
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It's one of the worst aspects of the game. Take WoWs combat, dumb it down and make it so that you manually have to click a button to auto-attack.
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If it was I would still be playing. it's the worst aspect of the game by far
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It's the best combat since WoW but still not as good as WoW because of ability delay, though I love how they removed Auto Attack.
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Originally posted by Cthulhu23
I would agree with pretty much everything here and add two things. One, that the weapon collision definately ups the feel of combat for me. I was so tired of no one ever trying to block in other games. Seeing it done here is amazing. Two, is the alternate animations I see a lot. Depending on what abilities or actions you are doing it changes some of the animations to fit the action better. You see it mostly with the Jedi and Sith, but I have seen it in the other classes as well. Keep in mind though, it is still tab targeting, so if you don't like that system, you won't like SWTOR combat. Personally, I have no problem with it.
As for making you use your skills, it does it in a variety of ways. One is cooldown times like most games use. Another is situational abilities, but the situations tend to come up a lot. Such as powers that only work if the target is held or stunned. It can happen a lot, so the powers are still very useful. There is also a necessity to use different powers based on the abilities of your enemies. And then there is the fact that some abilities affect others, making them more useful than normal. I have to agree with the person you were talking about in your OP though, just trying to use the same 5 or 6 powers against an equal level elite or especially a champion will most likely end with you getting creamed.
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Originally posted by plzignoreme
OMG you didn't. You did not claim it was dumbed down WoW combat and then go on to described how BioWare took OUT the most dumbed down part of WoW combat. ROFL!
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If you are comparing it to wow then it is more complex and requires more thought. But then wow's combat is made for kids and very simplified.
The reason TOR's combat does not FEEL as responsive is because the damage and animations hook together (you usually only get this in single player games). So there is sometimes a couple of seconds before the damage actually hits (depending on the animation). In wow the damage is done the second you press the button and the animations are seperate, which is also why wow's animations clip very badly and you only get 3-4 per race. Also melee weapons in TOR make contact with each other which can alter the animation.
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Trust me my friend the combat sucks. I played a bounty hunter before i quit a month later. I liked the class story and stuff but in combat all i did was spaming one skill (tracer missile). Save your self the time and money and avoid this game if you arent a really super fan of the ip and even there you can get dissapointed.
I wasn't acctouly waiting for this game i just bought it out of boredom and hoped it will carry me to gw2 relese but even I with absolutly on expectations was dissapointed.
Maybe wrote more then you wanted to hear but it is my only post where i got vocal about the game, took the opportunity.
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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?
I'm a super fan of the IP. Combat makes or breaks an MMO for me. And it broke it here. On the plus side, the combat is very flashy (not as slow as say EQ2). You can click or use numbers for the combos. I played Jedi and they did a good job of convincing growth from Padawan to Jedi.
In the beginning, yes there was delay from the abilities - this has been fixed and its very smooth.
When your skills get upgraded I hate the fact I have to travel to a "trainer" to upgrade. Why cant I upgrade directly from the UI? Wastes time.
Besides combat, what killed it for me was it was extremely narrow exploration. Really no world to explore and do other things, heard alderaan and tatooine were more 'vast' but quit before then in my high 20s.
Give the 7-day trial a spin and see for yourself
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Originally posted by WhiteProphet
I played a Bounty Hunter and quit a month later also, but it wasn't because of the combat.
I have to admit BH felt a little overpowered, but the combat itself was actually rather entertaining. If you played and enjoyed the combat in City of Heroes (whose combat I also enjoyed), SWTOR is more or less the same thing. Because of this, it does get old fast.
Sure you can spam tracer missile if you want to, but its hardly the most effective way to fight as a Bounty Hunter, especially with all the AoE attacks hunters get. Boostering enemies off of high cliffs or into bottomless pits never ceased to make me laugh as well...except that one time the bad guy somehow survived a bottomless pit and I was stuck in combat for a good while...I didn't laugh that time.
The only downside to the combat in SWTOR is that the enemies you fight are all pretty much the same. 90% of what you end up fighting are humanoids that either melee with light sabers/vibro swords, or shoot you from cover with blasters.