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I understand were both of you are coming from and agree to a point. The only problem is the good people who may have guns are never around when the bad are. You hear all the time about kids getting ahold of good peoples guns and hurting themselves or others and honestly your right parents are to blame to an extent but it doesnt stop the fact that statics state the gun owners are shot FAR more often then non gun owners. It also does not stop the fact of what darththomis said, he lives someplace where guns are illegal and you very rarely hear anything about guns. Same goes for japan. Guns are illegal there and they rarely have gun problems. As for them selling guns on the black market yeah that is true but do you guys have any idea how expensive a gun is to a random citizen on the black market? Yeah maybe he could have did it but we dont know. Also rick it seems you slightly contridicted yourself. You say one of the problems is the internet but then say afghans who are a thousand years in the past make bombs... it seems to me that the problem is violence breeding more violence. Especially considering the muslim holy book is the only holy scripture that preaches and calls for violence upon others. I also dont think we need more prisons at all. If anything we need less. The three strikes law is a joke!
I am straight edge so maybe asking my oppionon about cigs and alchahol
Pock. Trust me I get that some people need to hunt to survive I get that but indians hunted long before guns and Im not saying ban all weapons. Just guns. They make it far too easy for people to kill one another. The damage done would be faaar lower if the best this guy could get was a crossbow or knives or a bow & arrow plus it still allows you to hunt fairly easily anything that commonly hunted for food such as deer, rabbit, and or pigs. Sure a gun is better for hunting larger stronger animals such as bears or moose but Im against hunting for sport as is.

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- At Home and in the Garden
- On the Go
- At Work
- At School
- In the Community
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At Home & In the Garden
Quick Tips:
- Put raked leaves and other yard wastes in a compost bin and keep these materials out of landfills. Don't forget to add any organic materials cleaned out of your gutters, too!
- Don't over fertilize. A slow-release organic fertilizer applied once in the fall is sufficient for most lawns. Consult your cooperative extension agent.
- Shred untreated wood and leaf wastes into chips and use them as mulch on garden beds to prevent weed growth, retain moisture, regulate soil temperature, and add nutrients back to the soil.
- Cool, dry fall days are a great time to paint both the interior and exterior of your home. Properly store any unused paint for future use, donate unused paint to neighbors or charities, or turn in your used paint to a waste collection facility for recycling.
- Grass clippings and shredded (or unshredded) leaves make excellent mulch. Pile shredded leaves deep around your shrubbery, as well as in and around any plants you want to overwinter in pots.
- When stocking up on cold-weather gear, buy recycled-content items such as fleece clothing and blankets made from recycled soda bottles and snow shovels made from recycled plastic. Buying recycled-content products "closes the loop" and encourages companies to make more items with recycled materials.
- Replace old insulation with insulation made from recycled paper, glass, and other recovered materials.
- Check your heat pump or furnace and change the filter or make repairs if needed. Properly maintaining your furnace will conserve fuel by keeping it running efficiently and preventing leaks.
- Before rough winter weather sets in, remove screens from windows and doors and put up storm windows. Strong winds, heavy rains, and extreme cold can all damage your screens and ordinary windows and send them to landfills before their time.
- Check caulking around windows and do touch ups to conserve energy and natural resources.
Holidays and Events
Quick Tips:
- Why purchase a Halloween costume that you will probably only use once and then throw away? Instead, use old clothes or buy used clothes from a consignment shop to make your costume. Also remember to use reusable cloth bags instead of disposable ones for trick-or-treating.
- Make the most of your jack o' lantern. Use the removed meat to make pumpkin pie or muffins and roast the seeds as a fun holiday snack. When the holiday is over, cut up your carved pumpkin before it spoils and toss it in the compost bin.
- If you host a party, set the table with cloth napkins and reusable dishes, glasses, and silverware. Consider renting more formal tableware that you might not use very often. Also save and reuse party hats, decorations, and favors.
- After holiday festivities, put leftovers in recyclable containers, and share them with family, friends, or others. Donate whole, untouched leftovers from parties to a local food bank or homeless shelter.
- Show your guests where to put recyclables such as aluminum, glass, and plastic beverage containers.
- After parties, fill your dishwasher to capacity before running it. You will run fewer cycles, which saves energy.
- Have a create-your-own-decorations party! Invite family and friends to create and use holiday decorations such as ornaments made from old greeting cards or cookie dough, garlands made from strung popcorn or cranberries, wreaths made from artificial greens and flowers, and potpourri made from kitchen spices such as cinnamon and cloves.
- After holiday festivities, put leftovers in recyclable containers, and share them with family, friends, or others. Donate whole, untouched leftovers from parties to a local food bank or homeless shelter.
At School and in the Community
Quick Tips:
- Choose and use a wide assortment of products made from recycled products, such as pencils made from old blue jeans; binders made from old shipping boxes; and many types of recycled paper products. You can also reuse items like refillable pens, rechargeable batteries, and scrap paper for notes. Using recycled content and reusing supplies prevents waste and saves you money.
- Use school supplies wrapped with minimal packaging; use compact or concentrated products; or buy products that come in bulk sizes. Save packaging, colored paper, egg cartons and other items for arts and crafts projects. Look for other ways you can reduce the amount of packaging you throw away!
- Many schools reuse text books to save money and reduce waste. Covering your textbooks with cut-up grocery or shopping bags helps reduce waste and keeps your books in good condition. Be creative–use markers or colored pencils to give your covers unique and fun designs. Paper grocery bags are also great for wrapping packages.
- Start an art project with "found" objects. Collages and sculptures made from discarded items are a growing trend!
- Use and maintain durable products. Sturdy backpacks and notebooks can be reused for many years, which helps reduce the amount of broken items tossed away each year. Put long-lasting, high-quality tires on your car and bicycle. Be sure to keep your tires properly inflated.
- If you bring your lunch to school, package it in reusable containers instead of disposable ones, and carry them in a reusable plastic or cloth bag, or lunch box. Bring drinks in a thermos instead of disposable bottles or cartons.
- If you buy lunch, take and use only what you need: One napkin, one ketchup packet, one salt packet, one pepper packet, one set of flatware. And, remember to recycle your cans and bottles.
- If you drive to school, try carpooling or take public transportation. You can also try walking, biking, or skating. You can prevent wasted fuel, reduce air pollution, and decrease traffic in your community.
- Pass it on. Share the message with your friends and schoolmates. Waste less by reducing, reusing, and recycling. Volunteer for, or start, an environmental club or recycling project in your school.
- Work with your teachers and friends to find ways to encourage everyone in your community to make waste reduction a part of their everyday lives. You can also look for unique ways to make your school more waste-free, such as starting a school composting project.
- November is an excellent time of year to conduct neighborhood food or clothing drives to help those in need.
- Make a commitment to recycling this fall by getting involved in local events, and by making a pledge to recycle more and buy products made from recycled materials.
- Work with your teachers and friends to find ways to encourage everyone in your community to make waste reduction a part of their everyday lives. You can also look for unique ways to make your school more waste-free, such as starting a school composting project.


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Vol S. Nttmbor 37 Evenr Friday FREEPORT AND BELLMORE. N. Y.. FRIDAY. JULY U, 1913 $1.00 Yearly, Sinfle Cttpj 5 Cento Merrick Town Board Bellmore — I At the meeting of the Town Board The Water Company has decided to | Monday aftemoon, the amended con- i farther IncreaBe the efficiency of its j tract for the Sonth Side Lighting Dist-' pamping atation and ftre service. New ! rict aa prepared by the Committee oh • pamping machinery t>afl already been ordered and will be installed as soon ss it arrives. Other improvements are •Tso aisaerway BO that in cwwe of "^ conflagration the firemen will have more water and pressure than they will know what/to do with. cancelled, provides for a ten years' contract instead of five, with a provi¬ aion that no change in the assessed valuation shall be considered until the New membera «nro1]ed in Merrick j expiration of 5 years, thaC^ the bond Fire Co. No. 1 are: Prince Pignatelli shall be $10,000 instead of |25,000 and D'Ara'^Xon, Franklin G. Hill, Harry; that the extra 17 lights askid for Greenwald, Henry B. Schwab. i should not be installed unless the price i bid allowf far-the rest of the lights The annual moonlight sail of the j without any reduction on the part of Men's Club, Church of the Redeemer, , the company securing tbe contract, in will take place on the 29th of this l order to coiirfe^vvitnin the amount al- tnonth, I lowed by the petition. — ' The Committee, to whom had been The Church gchool of the Church of j referred the matter of advertising th« Redeemer will, bold its annual pic-1 rates for newspapers, submitted a re- -Single copies of the Messenger cail be had at Wolfe's drug store, Bellmore,; L. I,. tf Mr.^ and Mrs. Wiiiiam Dalziel have The principal changes from the {been ^enterUining gaests for a few former form of contract, whiel* was i <J»y« Mr. and Mrs. John Wldener and daughter, and Mr. Knapp of White¬ stone ; also Miss Ethel Corwin ot Bell¬ port. Water. Gas and Electricity, and the { Citizens Committee, was adopted. nic at High Hill Beach on Tickets to those other than will be 26 cents. The Junipr League of the Methodist Church, held its annual oating to High Hill Beach on Taesday last. Aboat eighty friends went out with the Jun¬ iors on the Moses Hun* A very en¬ joyable day was spent by all. The Methodist Sunday School held its Chik'ren's Day exercises in the auditorium of the new church on Sun¬ day evening last. The charch was decorated with flowers and flags, and a {Grove July 30. members Major J. B. ChristoiTel and family spent last week in PatchogUe. Mrs. Chas. Stout of Jamaica is vis¬ iting friends here. p&rt from the attorney, stating that it was (lis dnty of the Tovii Board to fix j the ) lieu I'.s seenjtcl proper, and that; no provision wua made in law regulat- { ing this. The report uas received and j the committee continued in force, to submi.l a proper scliedulu uf rates at' thd next meeting of the Board. \ Renewal of oyster planting licenses were granted to Joseph Raynor, 6 acres, and Stephen and John H. Bald¬ win, 4 acres. very intei^estlng program was rend¬ ered. Two Mamis in One Day After a two weeks' vaeation, th^ department was twlee ealled into ac¬ tion on Monday, bat eaeh time Uie principal damage done wae to the meagre fire department appropriation in the matter of horse hire, althoagh there were really flres at both places, and the alarms were jastifiable. At aboat 11:30. CaU 48 was soanded, wbich^B Olive Boalevard and Grove Street. The entire department ans¬ wered, but could find no trace of the flre nor of any one who had aent in a cail. Inquiry of the telephone operat¬ or showed that the call had come from the phone at Daniel Combs' shipyard, about a mile away, but the operator also said the blaze had since been re¬ ported out. Investigation showed that a fire had been discovered in a basket of wood, in the kitchen of the resi¬ dence of H. L. Trubenbaek, on South Street, on Sportsmen's Canal. Freeport which mooth being The call shooid have been 86, and tt can be easily seen that the conse¬ quences might have been had the blaze not been easily extinguished by the oc¬ cupants. Why the call was sounded as it was is impossible to flnd out, Mr. The much heralded annasd fair of Fire Co. No. 2 will be held on the 17th, 18th and 19th of this month at the Camp Ground. Many new attractions Fropnnrf Tmcf<kAC have been pfanned. Amusements and | * * CCJjIUl t 11 UdLCCS refreshments of all kinds will-fee on] All the members of the Board were the ground. Facilities for dancing ( present at th^ mee ting Thursday af tet- have also been provided. Admission noon to the grounds free. " " Citizens who reeollect the achool controversy brought up in the last an¬ nual meeting held some months ago will be interested to know that the Freeport Board of Education has alt¬ ered its viewa regarding tuition of the non-resident pupils in their high school. The following letter was received a short time ago by Principal Howard Schermerhom of the local school from the superintendent of the Freeport schoola. At the regular meeting of the Free- port Board of Education, June 10, it was decided that for the coming year, 1318-14, non-resident' pupils "coniiiig '560^'ieet ef hose fer-Fire- from districts which do not maintain a high school, will be admitted upon the. charge of $6 for the use of text books, etc., throughout the year. ^ Please send me as soon as possible the names of those pupils who will enter our high school in September. Yours truly, (Signed) Ward C. Moon. Prof. Schermerhom announces that those who wish to see him regarding the above can do so after July 21. Mr. Cohen of Stanton Park asked for repairs of a block on Lena Ave., connecting with hi" property. Mr, Cohen said th!.? was ihi vAiih-i Mg!i77ay thru that sectirvn, .•^nd the Board was of the impression the repairs ought to be made, but the highway funds were limited, and no action was taken. •Chief Loonam of the Fire Depart¬ ment presented the plans and specifica¬ tions for the new house of Hose No. 4 to be put on the Village Pumping Sta¬ tion property. A resolution was passed instructing the Clerk to secure bids for the building, bids to be opened on July 17. A resolution was passed to purchase t, at a cost of $1.25 p^r foot. An invitation was received from the New York Scottish Highlanders, by Hamilton G. Kii)g, chairman, inviting the Board to inspect the organization and review the parade, which they asked permission to hold. Permission for the parade was granted. An invitation from "The Pequots," a Democratic organization at Rockville Centre, lo attend an "Independence Day celebration" was received and i filed. Walter L. Harvey, flreman at the Mr. and Mrs the proud parents of a lOi pound son, which arrived last Sunday morning. The funeral services over the re¬ mains of Mrs. Nellie Verity, who died at her home at the Bellmore dock on , Monday of last week were •held the following Thursday aftemoon at her home. Interment was in Greenfield ¦ Cemetery, Hempstead. j William Wallace and family of i - Brooklyn were the gueata of iMr., ajadj Mrs. Ekiward P. Self last week. i Frank Morris and family of Jersey \ City, N. J., spent the Fourth with Mr. ! and Mrs. John J. Stevenson on the Merrick Road. Not n little consternation swept _ _ _ through the foshicnable circle of sum-i pg^er house, applied^ for an increase mer residents on Monday evening when i <,{ ggj^y of $5 per month, and John T a blazing automobile stopped at Mer- ] Cotter, 1st assistant, $25 per month rick Ave. on the Merrick Road. It | m^^ q^^^^j. j^ ^ia communication called was at 8 o'clock when people saw a attention to the fact that he had served car going by with the back of its ton- j the village since before the installa neau in a mass of flame. Running Ujon of the electric light plant. The after the fiiachine they shouted to the applications were referred to Chief occupants who evidently were bliss- ; Engineer Wm. R. Smith, folly ignorant of the danger they were ^n application was received from in. The car halted m short time and | Excelsior Hook and Ladder Company a second later with the agitating ques-1 j^o. 1, asking for $150 per year rental tion of "How did it happen" in mind, for their truck house on Church Street, a more bewildered party of tourists j^e Board was unanimously opposed could not have been imagined. | to the petition. They took the view A large crowd had gathered and with j that the house and lot had been pur- combined efforts and the aid of a hand chased for flre department purposes, extinguisher, borrowed from the loca|, .nj that while the village furnisht fire department, the flames was soon ¦ jjght, water, fuel, janitor's servic% squelched. The owner, Wallace Post, ^nj vvas willing to make all rftecessary of Freeport, who was driving, asserted repairs and improvements, nothing that he had noticed flashes of light in further c^ld be granted by the vill- the rear, but believed it was from the | ,g^ headlights of a following car. The ¦ /i^ Coriirnanication was received from fire being out and the sparks put to Engineer Wm. R. Smith recommend- route, the men folded a blanket over | j^g the changing of one of the village the burned portion and continued their ! electric lighting circuits from_ an al- ride. The damage was covered by in-1 ternating current to a direct current, surance. _______ | which would require a purchase of 50 *~A pleasant echo of the Men's Club i new d. c. lamps. Mr. Smith said the Field Day was tbat last night, Thurs- ' a. c. lamps had always been unsatis- day, when the Club enjoyed an inform- i factory, and changing to d. c. would al smoker at tbe Parish Houae with i permit installing several more lamps, refreshments and the prizes wore dis- I The recommendation was adopted, tirboted to the winners of thei* various i A commanication was received from events. The prizea were Merchandise ' R. Summergl 11 calling attention to Certificates on Wanamaker of $2.00 I "the disgraceful condition" of Pred- and $1.60 value as first and second | ericks Ave., and asking that it be flxt; prizes respectively. The winners in referred to "street commissioner, the varioas events were: | Application was made by James F. 100-yd. dash, under 12 yra., Ist, Jno. i Campion, as contractor, for permission McCord; 2nd. Wellman Miller. i *« P'ace electrical signs in front of F. Bicycle Race, under 12 yrs., Ist, j Plomp's Arcade Pharmacy and Flor- Jno. McCord; 2nd, Wellman Miller. enrle's hotel; referred to light commit- 100-yd. dash, over 12 yrs., Ist heat, j tee with power. ^ Herbert Seaman; 2nd, Jas. Mulcahy ;• ft ' aZ Srd, Harry R. Zeiner; final, Jas. Mul- UOmmUniCaQOnS cahy; 2nd, Herbert Seaman. Bicycle Race, over 12 V"-, 1st heat, j ^^^ Editor: Freeport, N. Y., July 8, 191S. George Mulcahy; 2nd, Chris. Shebe; Srd, Herbert Colvin; Final, Geo. Mul¬ cahy, 1st; Chris. Shebe,'2nd. Relay Race, Hafry R. Zeiner, Billy Wolfe, Jno. McCord and Charles Var¬ neke. At a meeting of tbs Freeport School Board the work of repairing; and paint- Ibti was given out. It waa decided not to ask a certain one of the local painters for an estimate. Why? Was , _ ..,.». , .. I outside influence broaght to bear on '"r^^*^_?S*\r]^!ll?*^.,^"'' ' ^ School Board and could they be in- floenced. I bate to think the painters H. Leich and H. Verity. 2nd. Wheelbarrow Race, Chas. Cupfer and Herbert Colvin, Ist; H. Lglch ai^ H. Verity, 2nd. ^_^ Shot Put. H. Verity, ? •• ; Tfiierbert Mailer, 2nd. , Throi»iBg Ball, Herbert MuUer, Ist; Chris. Shebe, 2Dd. (ContinBed on psgn 8) of Freeport woold stoop low enough to down a competitor in that manner. I wouid like to know who would be mean and ungentlemunly enougb to do that sort of thing. Tricks like tbeae sometimes turn out boomerangs, yoa koow. Pa,ul Andenn. CARD OF THANKS. 434 18th St.. Brooklyn, N. Y Re Mr. and Mrs. Verity, Deceased. 1f e.-^the entire family of Elliott of j Combs stating "that he gave no num- Brooklyn, desire to thank the many i ber, having none on his telenhone. friends that have come to our help in j Mr. Trubenbaek places his loss at $75. a great time of need. But no words At 2:15 Call 82, Main and Milton of ours can tell the feelings of thanks j Streets, took the department into the to Dr. Carter of Freeport and Dr. | northern section of the village. This, Rhame of Wantagh, also Mrs. Bloom- \ however, was just outside of the vill- er, nurse, whose untiring devotion to | age limits, and when the department my daughter to the end; these all have i oflScers arrived they found Russell stood by with their kindest sympathy j Hose Co. there ahead of them, but the and help, and now our God has taken | blaze, which was in a stall in the barn back only what He lent us we say "Not: on the property of John A. Smith, had our will but His be done." ! been extinguished before either de- We remain, in grateful remembrance, i partment arrived, and those living in B. H. Elliot and family, that vicinity were surprised that the -,, _. t, i Freeport department had been sum- Clarence D. Harse are ^ ^ The ancient wooden bridge for ten years has spanned the of the Freeport River ia at last removed to give plaee to a structure of re-inforced concrete, thirty-flve feet wide, which will be a model of modern bridge engineering. The contractor, Edward Payne of Baldwin, expects to flnish the work in about three weeks. A grist mill stood at the head of this river for many years, and whije excavating for the foundation for the bridge, aeveral piecea of old machinery have been found, evidently buried when the mill was removed, about 20 years ago. The New York Scottish Highlanders held the annual outing of the organiza¬ tion at Fneport, last Saturday and Sanday. Dressed in their native cos¬ tume, the company led by their own pipe band, paraded to the Casino, which was their hea(}quarters while in Freeport, and where they enjoyed their two days' stay. In the Fire Department Mattar* al Intarvit to and about tha In aur laaal dapartonaMt The Supply Committee of the Coun¬ cil has decided not to try any farther hose experiments for a while, ,and ac¬ cordingly has requisitioned the Village Board for 500 feet of - Maltese Crosa hose. Although this is a high priced hose, it has proven in our department superior to anything we have yet tried, and the Committee decided to stick to it. A place in Ohio paya its vohinteer firemen $1 a day to stay home on the Fourth of Joly, the time considered most likely for the flre crop to grow. The Observer notes that Free- port goes one better and has fireman vctaally stationed at the engine houses during the whole twenty-four houra of the Foarth. Riverhead does the same thing, although a little better still, for Chief Lane has the biggest steamer , _, drawn to a site commanding the bosi- At tbe regular meeting of Freoport ngg, gg^tion, has the suction down. Lodge, No 600, I O. OF. Monday ^team up, and an engineer beside the evening July 21, Julius Vollmer^ th# throttle, as well as flremen at the newly-elected Noble Grand, and Hen^ houses. The value of this precaution Vollmer, newly-elected Vice Gra^ has been tested more than once. will be installed, together with 1118"^ Brooklyn Eagle. representatives to the Grand Lodge, mi. ^ i_ • l 1 • • ¦ ' That may be going us one more, but for one better, we are inclined toques-- afia, Ug the Frank M. Smith, and the sUemate, Elvin Baldwin. The initalling work will be done by Diptfict Deputy Rich¬ ard Van Wicklen and staff. moned. Again the damage was slight, and the recall immediately sounded. This is the first time since the Len¬ ker fire laat Fall that the department has been called "over the border." Taxes Due July 21 D. Frank Seaman, Village Tax Col¬ lector, gives notice that he will begin collecting village taxes July 21; see adv. in this issue. Auto and The Jolly Rovers will hold a shirt waist dance next Wednesday evening, July 16, at Broooklyn Hall; music by Jackson Bros. The Committee are as follows: Peter Smith, Moxie Rigby, James Singleton, Wm. B. Perry, Ches¬ ter Weeks, D, D. Monroe, Wilbur Randall, John Steavenson; floor man¬ agers, Ed. A. Beaubian, Benne Jack- son, James Saunders; sergeants-at- arms, Frank Summers, Christ Crum¬ ble ; treasurer, Alonzo W. Myers. Trojiey Collide Miss Dorothy Kennedy of Brook lyn, who is spending the summer with her Charles Seaman has returaed honae ; uncle, James Thompson, at 862 South from Gettysburg, Penn., where he at-, Side Avenue, is in the Nassau County tended the reunion of veterans laat! Hospital, suffering from injuries re- week. He reports a pleasant trip to | ceived by being'thrown from an-euto- the place where fifty years fought for his country. "^ Theodore Corwin has been appointed to a poaition on the water works of the City of New York. ago he I mobile when struck by a trolley car, I Thursday evening, at Atlantic and Bay View Avenues. Miss Kennedy, aged 18, was hurled into the air and fell be¬ tween the fender of the car and the automobile. She was conveyed to the On Saturday evening. July 19, the \ fa«?PJt»» «" an unconscious condition . Bellrhore Pleaaure Club will npn a 1 The automobile was driven by Mr. seaside : Thompson, and with him were Miss Kennedy and 10-year-old Margaret Tucker, another niece of Mr. Thomp¬ son. The car went down Bay View moonlight sail to the popular resort. Capt. John Haff's boat, Laura W., will leave Seaford dock at 6:30 and Bellmore dock at 7:46 p. m. sharp, arriving at the beach at about 9 o'clock. The Pleaaure Club has con¬ ducted several moonlight sails in the past and promise a pleasant time on Avenue in a southerly direction. As it neared Atlantic Avenue a trolley was approaching Bay View Avenue, eastbound. The conductor had sig- this date. The fare for the round trip ! !?rJ!*l^j'!uy!"!","?i!T.,,,!»^!i'*i\uf wjjl be 85 cents. tion it. Juat what good a steamer would do in one section of the town, with the suction down, if a fire was to' occur in another, is hard to imagine. Freeport still {oes one better and has hot water in the engine boilers from one year's end to another, so that the engine is ready to pump after travel¬ ing a block. A moonlight sail under auapices of Bay View Hose Co, No. 8, for benefit of athletic fund, will be held to Point Lookout on Saturday evening, Aug. 16. The auxiliary yacht Selnada will leave Casino dock at 8 o'clock. For those who do not care for dancing at the beach, a special sail is announced to Long Beach. Muaic will be furn¬ ished for dancing by Engroff'a orch¬ estra. The price of tickets includes dancing and refreshntenta for SOc; the cominittee are J^ward Crossflejd, and Forrest Daniel Van Noptrand, jr., had a nar row escape from serious injury on July 4th. He was picking cherries from the large cherry tree at the ball ,", . ,,..,. ,r -, ¦ grounds, when he lost hia hold and , The impact hurled Miss Kennedy into fell to the ground. He was examined : 1"* ^r..*r" "®L"".'"*^ * "^"^^ **"*• by a physician but was uninjured aave for a few bruises. Dr. William Runcie was summoned hurriedly but the injured person was unconscious. Mr. Thompson hurt hia left ahoulder. Miss Tucker was not injure:'. The suto was badly davnaged. Ted Neundorfer won the National one-mile championship walk at Chicago on July Fourth, and was aecond in the three-mile track event It was very hot in Chicago and Mr. Neundorfer's leg was still troubling him a little. _ in theTatter event hewas^iaheM at Zi^'j^^^^^^ Bedell miles but could not hold out under tl\e , peMott. circumstances The track was report*^ : ed being poor. The boys at the camp j In accordance with the usual custom, with Mr. Neundorfer gave him a reus-1 men were stationed at all the houses ing reception, with a brass band. i the whole twenty-four hours of July j Fourth. Horses were kept at the Miss Florence May, daughter of Mr. j houses from 8 a. m. to midnight*. and Mrs. John Kieman, of this vill- j —¦— age, and Ciarence C. Horn of Brooklyn j _^ _ will be married Sunday, July 20, at '¦ KAfllirl'IAn 111 the Church of Our Holy Redeemer. i A*^"*-""" ¦" * j Telephone Toll Rates James J. Nolan, correspondent for _, , , . .,_ - n the Brooklyn Eagle at Freeport, waa i Telephone subscribers in Freeport married Wedneaday aftemoon at the i f««'^«f.^'*»'t''«''^ •'"'y,i»* ^"'.•' "«** Church of St. Michael's. New York, to |'"" ^/ '',«?« *"«"t'°"i« *)!« newsched- Miss Catherine McCarthy, of 415 uie of toll rates that the Company has Forty-ninth Street, Bay Ridge. The P"* 'f ° ^^^^^ I'l^°]'f''°"u '*" }^"'^°^ nuptials were.private, only members I fP*^ *»>« "^^^ "'f/^'f^ {°r ^^'^'ITK^u'^r''" of the families bemg present. t™« ^^^^o'? *=*"« *^^* .'f established. The ceremony was performed by i,,Considering its territory as a wbole. Rev. John Barrett, rector of the par- ; '^e New York Telephone Company ish. Miss McCarthy was attended by ] ^st'mates that the reduction in its toll her sister, Francea McCarthy, and waa 1 fi'"^®^ ^'^ ¦"^^T,' *° *- '"'"''J*^ ^^'^ given away by her brother, Daniel Mc- i t*"'^® .7,*?° "f ^^e toll service of oyer Cnrthv. Bernard Nolan, a brother of I «ne million dollars a year, based on the present volume of traffic. On the 6th of June, the New York _^gY . Telephone Company announced thata Miss McCarthy is popularly known !««"«"• ^^^''''"r'rfjts toll rates that as one of the society belles of the Bay I "ould mean a saving totoH users of Ridge section. She is the daughter of I °i«^ ff^'OOO i;y«" ^9"'^ «<" '"l^ the late Daniel McCarthy, and ia a I e^fe'^* July 1. This revision was made graduate of Erasmus Hall and Girls'' ^'>K}^^ purpose of making toll rates High School. For the past aeveral «»''«5'"^*°'""''o""™ ^'^**"«" t^^Jo^K^^- latelv ioined ' ^a*** oasea on air iine distances be- Ridee Hieh ' *'*'®^" *°''P**'"'* eliminates the dia- I crimination and inequalities in toll stop and this caused a reduction in the , ^^^ bridegroom, acted as ^est man. ^^mu J ^ 1.-1 1. J r. The bride's traveling gown was also of The car and automobile reached Bay View Avenne together. Mr. Thomp¬ son turned his car on to Atlantic Ave. and the trolley struck it in the rear Betting Up To Sulzer years she has been followins her bent | <"^^ *''« Company's territory as a school teacher, and i-*-'" '"S"-''' "^^^ *'"*'' *>" ^" ""* °'^ the faculty of the Bay *^Th^'couple started Thursday on ai<=»'"?«8 **'«*J'«<^ «[«*" °P under the wedding tour thjrough the-s.ulii, \m^ \''^T'^«.l^^^'i]!!^^^?,^^°l^_.!P^^^ ing Bermuda and points in Central and The annual picnic and dance of Ad¬ vance Hook, Ladder and Engine Co. No. 1, at Firemen's Hall last Friday evening, J'uly 4th, was well attended, and afforded much pleasure for all who attended. Music for dancing was furn- District, Attorney Charles N. Wy- ished by the Bellmore Orchestra, con- gong of Nassau County has put the sisting of Charles W. Smith, 'cello; J. question of prosecutions for alleged h. Wiemer violin, and Mr. Lattimer, •gambling at Belmont Park Racetrack pianist. Hot frankfurters and ice i squarely up to Governor Sulzer. Whenj The Epworth League of the M.E. cream and cake were sold- A neat | Canon Chase of the Episcopal Diocese | Church will hold a i-noonlight sail on sum was realized from the event, the of Long laland complained of the j Tueaday evening July 22. exact amount not yet known. ! gambling the Governor tumed him) j- -^—¦ over to Wysong. Wysong investigat-1 Mr. and Mrs. Werner Nygren sailed Two exciting games of baseball took ed the evidence Canon Chaae submitted | Tuesday for Europe to visit relativea, place on ths local diamond on July 4th, I to him, and today, in a letter to the to be gone until early Fall. when Bellq)ore took the double header ' Governor, announcea that he is wait- j ^— from the Revonia A. C. of Brooklyn. I ing only for the Governor to call a ape- j Raijroad Avenue is being improved j The score of the flrst game Was 9-2 cial term of the Sopreroc Court for and the second, 7-8. Harry Merritt, i Nasaao County and to empanel a Grand pitidiing the flrst game, led bia men to ! Jury. victory in a creditable manner, while "The power is with you to aopply Webb, a new man on the team, did ex-1 the proper machinery with which to cellent work in the second game. The ; work," says.Wysong, ii;! his letter to score by innings and sumhiary: the Governor. "If you aee fit to ^- First game: ; point a special term of the Supreme Revonia 00002000 0—2 {Coart for Nassau County to convene at BetlmiTre 0 110 0 5 2 0,0—9 i once, and have a Grand Jury empan- Battery.—Revonia, Papke and P. i elled with it, I will present to that, Gilligui; Bellmore, Merritt and Smith. ; body all the evidence at tfae command Struck out by Papke 2; by Merritt, , of my ol!ice and with particular re¬ ll; base on balla, by Papke, 2; by ; gard to violations of Section 978 of the Merritt, 4; hit by pitched ' ball, by ! Penal Law, and will welcome a Deputy Merritt, 1; earned runa, Revonia, 1; Attorney General to be appointed by Bellmore, 6; left on baae, Revonia, 8; j yod to asaist me before the Grand Jury Bellmore, 5; two baae hits, H. SehneJo-1 as you roay elect." er. 1. Second game: . ** Revonia 00100002 0—8 (Bellmore 04000080 z—7 (Cootmned oa puce 8) Section 978 of tbe Penal Law pro- On June 18 the Public Service Corn- South America. Upon their ratorai™!"'"" °'"''««^, *=«>•*«'" "ductiona in they will make their home in Elliott telephone ratea for messSgea between Place, Freeport.-Timee. t'l* o''^ boroughs of New York City. The Company estimates that theae re- dactiona will effect an annual aaving to telephone uaera in New York City of $850,000. Since the ord^ of the Commiuion', the Telephone Company has volontar-' ily made further reductions in its toll charges from several points in West- cheater County to Lower Manhattan. It ia estimated that these last reduc- and a stone gut* I tione will mean a aaving to telepbone I toll aiers of $76,000 annually. - 1 Coincident with this revised scbed- with Peekskill gravel ter on the south aide. Miss Agnes Kerly of North Wallace Street is visiting friends and relatives in Saratoga and Ballston Spa, N. Y. Mr. and Mrs. Henry E. Rider are spending their vacation at ElienTille, N-Y. Hiss Edna Eldridge entertained her friends at a Bridge and 500 party Tues¬ day afternoon. There were seven tables in play. uie of toll rates, tfae new method for efaarging overtime on toll calls is ee- tablisfaed. Heretofore each period or ifrsction thereof, beyond the initiel eharge period, has been considered as another call. TjJnder tfae new method, however, overtime chargea are graded according to tfae number of mtnutes beyond the initial charge period. The revision of theae telep! one toll schedules ai^ the introduction of the new metbod for charging overtime on I toll calls will aerve to bring Fr«eport O. E. U. Reynolda, wbo has had bis and ti>e several towns and eities in tfais plumber's office on Newton Boulevard, has leased the norih half of the large vidA that where tbere is bookmaking bailding of Ernest Edwards, on North at a race track the directors of tbe Uain Street, for a term of years, and racing aaKMsiatiou may be criminally will fix tbe plaee op ip good shape, pcoaeeotw}.—Eagle. (continoed on page 4) section into even cloeer relationtbip witb eacb otfaer and with New York City. The more convenient * and aie- cesaible telei^one service is the nHxre it tends to bring tba itnreral eommuol- tiea iaio one big awi^^ilmriMMd.
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It's been a few weeks since the victories in the marriage cases at the Supreme Court, and maybe it's time for the political left to own up to something.
You know those opponents of marriage equality who said government approval of same-sex marriage might erode bans on polygamous and incestuous marriages? They're right. As a matter of constitutional rationale, there is indeed a slippery slope between recognizing same-sex marriages and allowing marriages among more than two people and between consenting adults who are related. If we don't want to go there, we need to come up with distinctions that we have not yet articulated well.
The left is in this bind in part because our arguments for expanding the marriage right to same-sex couples have been so compelling. Marriage, we've said, is about defining one's own family and consecrating a union based on love. We've voiced these arguments in constitutional terms, using claims arising from the doctrines of "fundamental rights" and equal protection. Fundamental-rights analysis says that marriage is for many a crucial element of human flourishing, or as the Court said almost fifty years ago "essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness." Because it's so important, government can restrict marriage only by showing a truly compelling justification. The equal protection argument is simply that the marriage right should not be taken away from groups unless the government has good reasons to exclude those groups.
When it comes to marriage, the fundamental rights claims and the equal protection arguments often intertwine. For example, Justice Kennedy's opinion last month striking down a portion of the Defense of Marriage Act said that DOMA's injection of "inequality into the United States Code" violated the "liberty" protected by the Constitution. The "inequality" part is equal protection language; the "liberty" wording is fundamental rights stuff. The analytical box is not all that important. What it boils down to is that when the government wants to exclude groups from something important like marriage, it has to show good reasons for the exclusion. And prejudice—simply thinking something is "icky"—doesn't count as a reason.
The arguments supporters of same-sex marriage have made in court do not sufficiently distinguish marriage for lesbians and gay men from other possible claimants to the marriage right. If marriage is about the ability to define one's own family, what's the argument against allowing brothers and sisters (or first cousins) to wed? If liberty protects, as Kennedy wrote ten years ago in Lawrence v. Texas, the case striking down Texas's anti-sodomy law, the "right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life," why can't people in polyamorous relationships claim that right as well? If it's wrong to exclude groups because of prejudice, are we sure the uneasiness most of us feel about those who love more than one, or love one of their own, shouldn't count as prejudice?
In private conversations with leaders in the marriage movement, I often hear two responses. The first is that there is no political energy behind a fight for incestuous or polygamous marriages. The second is that they would be fine if those restrictions fell as well but, in effect, "don't quote me on that." The first of these responses, of course, is a political response but not a legal one. The second is to concede the point, with hopes that they won't have to come out of the closet on the concession until more same-sex victories are won in political and legal arenas.
Can we do better? What are the possible distinctions?
This argument goes something like this: "Well, gay marriage is one thing. But incest and polygamy are icky." I understand this visceral response. But of course this is the same kind of repulsion that has been standing in the way of LGBTQ rights for decades, and which motivated anti-miscegenation statutes before that. This kind of argument makes us sound dangerously close to those who oppose same-sex marriage by claiming it is "unnatural."
Think of the Children!
This argument is more relevant to incest than polygamy. Incest raises the risk of birth defects, or so we've been told. But the risks are reportedly small, and probably less than for parents over forty, or smokers, or those with certain hereditary diseases. If the government stepped in to regulate the decisions of potential parents on those grounds, we'd rightly dust off our "nanny state" bromides. This is the kind of thing we usually leave for people to decide for themselves. Here, too, the argument that marriage is about protecting the children sounds eerily familiar to the arguments trotted out against same-sex couples for years. And even if we wanted to intervene to protect the potential offspring of incestuous couples, there are things we could do (mandatory genetic counseling, for example) short of outright bans on their marriages.
Polygamy and Incest are Coercive.
Perhaps polygamous and incestuous bonds are more likely to be coercive, especially for the women involved. Polygamy is often used to bolster a misogynistic, male-dominated family structure; incest is frequently the product or symptom of abuse and subjugation. To the extent coercion is present, then polygamous and incestuous marriages do not result from the exercise of free will and genuine choice.
This can be a strong argument, when borne out by facts. Father/daughter incest, for example, is surely so likely to be problematic on consent grounds that a government can ban it. But the further you get from that kind of genuine power imbalance, the weaker the coercion argument becomes. First cousins, it seems to me, are no more likely to be wrapped up in a coercive relationship than any other couple, related or not. (About twenty states, in fact, allow first cousins to marry—more than allow same sex couples.) And while polygamous marriages may more likely embody traditional stereotypes and roles, since when has that been a matter of government concern? As long as each individual who enters into a polyamorous relationship does so freely, and as long as divorce is available if they want out, then arguments from coercion are not particularly powerful.
Polygamy and Incest are Choices.
If the coercion argument doesn't persuade, we could swing the other way and say sexual orientation is hard wired, but polygamy and incest are choices. In equal-protection analysis, the Court has suggested that discrimination based on immutable characteristics is more suspect, meaning the government has to show a more significant justification for the classification.
But arguments from immutability are awkward in this context. Maybe I am speaking out of school here, but arguments for marriage equality do not really depend on the claim that people have no choice about who they are. Rather, the argument that resonates most with Americans is that LGBTQ people have the same right to make choices about their families as straight people. Let's be honest: If science revealed tomorrow that sexual orientation is fluid and changeable, the arguments in favor of marriage equality would essentially be the same, wouldn't they? Just like our arguments for religious liberty do not depend on whether people are destined by biology to be a Methodist, our arguments about the liberty to marry need not depend on science. In any event, if we throw all our eggs in the "it's about the hardwiring" basket, are we sure we have made the distinction we want? Are we confident that science will show that people who are polyamorous or who are attracted to a cousin are not hardwired that way?
LGBTQ Groups are Less Politically Powerful.
The conventional view of the equal protection clause is that it empowers courts to step in to protect—in the words of the leading Supreme Court case on point—"discrete and insular" groups that are systemically disadvantaged in the political process. So to make this argument, we'd have to say that gay-rights groups are less influential in mainstream politics than those who advocate for polyamory and consensual incest. That seems flat wrong. Political successes with regard to same-sex marriage are only recent, to be sure. But the political trend is clear, and marriage equality will be a reality for most same-sex couples in America in the foreseeable future. If anything, the argument from political disenfranchisement cuts the other way—that polygamous and incestuous couples deserve more constitutional protection than same-sex couples.
If these distinctions do not hold water, we have two options. We can continue to search for differences that make sense as a matter of constitutional principle. Or we can fess up. We can admit our arguments in favor of marriage equality inexorably lead us to a broader battle in favor of allowing people to define their marriages, and their families, by their own lights.
Mon, 2013-07-15 11:52
The elected government officials and those that write about it need to be educated in the difference between LGBT and those that practice polygamy. LGBT is the way a parson is born... polygamy is taught through religion. BIG difference! People can read the bible or any other religious doctrine and interpret it and then choose to teach it the way they want... this is how polygamy was born... through religion... the people of the LGBT community are just born…they are not taught to be who they are, they are who they are and should be proud!
Polygamy is NOT all "Sister Wives", "Big Love" or even "Polygamy USA"… As for decriminalization of polygamy… isn't it already? I don't see the Browns or the Dargers being thrown in jail for breaking the law … do you?? The reason for that… the law "enforcement" is getting their piece of the pie… even though the tax payers are paying on average $13,800 per MONTH in public assistance for an average polygamous family… one man, five wives and five children each… it is called "Bleeding the Beast" and YES, YOU are paying for it… an LGBT couple is NOT trying to take your money… they just want to have the same rights as any other couple….
As a resident of So. UT for almost 20 years it was very obvious to me that the law turned a blind eye to the FLDS where girls (some as young as 12) were being married off to older men. It was always sad to me to see a young FLDS girl with a baby in her arms and wonder if it was her sibling or her child.
My husband worked at the local paper in St. George, UT (The Spectrum, a Gannett paper) for 16 years as the local news editor (including the years of the Jeffs trials). With all the research he did during that time he found many instances of the "lack of law" in this area and the corruption going on. He wrote 'plygs' a fact-based journalistic novel of the FLDS.
As for the "slippery slope" … there should be none. What the people
of the FLDS and the UAB practice as their "lifestyle" is SO far from it. People
want to look at polygamy along with the LGBT and it is a totally different
world. The LGBT just want to marry ONE person and have a life the way other
monogamous couples live. The Polygamous world is based on religion. They hide
behind it, they survive on the words of a prophet that has ended himself and
several others in jail. What good can come of a "religion" that 12, 13, 14 yr
old girls are "married" to the "highest bidder" (tithing and favors) within a
Polygamy that is taught through religion is NOT a choice.
They live it or they are forever damned. They live it or they will not see
their children in the afterlife. They live it or they will be cast out with
nothing… no home, no food, no family, no children, no friends… NOTHING…
Tell me where this is a choice! Tell me how this should be legal! Explain how
this is so slippery… those that speak of this slope have NO idea what true
polygamy practiced by the FLDS and the AUB and other groups are doing to these women and children… there is no slope… there is a mountain and our politicians are terrified to climb it!
Wed, 2013-07-17 14:15
POed Lib
Fri, 2013-07-19 12:00
Thu, 2013-07-25 20:16
Mon, 2013-07-15 13:11
I'm ok with incest and polygamy--as long as the latter entitles women to have multiple husbands too. However the mistake of the whole movement for "marriage equality" is defining the kinds of family formation the state recognizes as essentially sexual. Arguably the state should get out of the "marriage" business altogether and instead provide legal recognition, with exactly the same rights and privileges that attach to "traditional" marriage to any group of people that want to set up a permanent household--including, e.g. spinster sisters living together, adult children caring for elderly parents, or friends, who have no interest in any sexual relationship. Those that want to call their arrangement "marriage" or want to have it solemnized in a church are free to do so--that isn't the state's business.
I understand why gay and lesbian people fought for their relationships to be recognized as "marriages" rather than civil unions, even where civil union would have guaranteed exactly the same rights. That was an important symbolic gesture. But it was one with costs, because it made it harder for plural marriages and "incestuous" ones to get comparable recognition, and worst of all, completely excluded committed household partners whose relationships aren't sexual.
Tue, 2013-07-16 15:00
Civil unions would not have guaranteed exactly the same rights. They are different institutions, even if at times there is significant overlap.
I don't know how it made it "harder" for plural marriages and incestuous ones to get recognition. The equality and liberty arguments obviously (see this very article) can be raised, at least in support of non-marriage benefits, for such groups. The fight for marriage equality overall promotes equality and liberty overall in other areas too. So to the degree there is some will to provide benefits "beyond marriage," the effort doesn't appear to have hurt it.
Wed, 2013-07-17 11:27
I'm not suggesting that the aim should have been "civil unions" as they were presented, but arrangements in which participants WOULD get exactly the same rights--not backing down on the substantive issues, but compromising solely on the nomenclature. As far as consequences, this article outlines the potential push-back.
John Howard
Thu, 2013-07-25 11:53
But same-sex couples don't have the same rights and shouldn't have the same rights - they should be prohibited from reproducing offspring together. Reproducing offspring together is the essential right of marriage. People do not have that right with siblings, with more than one person at a time, or with someone of the same sex. Marriage means approving of conception of children, and it would be very bad public policy to approve of same-sex conception because it would require government to regulate and research and make it affordable and it would be risky and is unnecessary. There is no right to attempt it that overcomes any of those objections.
Mon, 2013-07-15 17:24
Polygamy and incest among ADULTS would not cause a significant number of social problems. But the frequency of child molestation by parents or adult relatives is now so high that the very WORD "incest" has connotations of father-and-young-daughter rather than adult-brother-and-adult-sister. And the only current polygamous subcultures in America and the technologically sophisticated countries are the religious "cults" in which the husband with all the wives is also the "prophet" or "apostle" who makes the religious rules, and he defines marriage as whatever HE wants it to be, forcing the cutest little girls in the colony, whether or not they are related to him (or even his daughters) to be his newest "wives." So the question of whether a teenage girl in one of these cults holding her sibling or her child ... probably BOTH.
The kind of polygamy and incest that we all want to restrict can be restricted by age of consent laws and child molestation laws (which, thanks to sex offender registration, can also be used to keep "Daddy" from coming home even AFTER finishing his prison term). If the Dionne quintuplets, after growing up, decided they wanted to marry the Prime Minister of Canada, that sextet, or one like it, should be welcomed.
Incidentally, I know of a pair of conjoined twin sisters who have been featured on TV, who would not be able to get married AT ALL unless they could marry the same man at the same time, since they share all externally visible body part except their heads, making them two persons. They are now grown, and they are entitled to their privacy, so I will say nothing more about them specifically, but it is obvious that persons LIKE them, persons in their situation, cannot get married without being polygamous or one of them being guilty of adultery.
Fri, 2013-07-19 11:56
POed Lib
Fri, 2013-07-19 12:27
Fri, 2013-07-19 23:46
The polygamy per se is not the problem, it is the "harem" mentality of the men who dominate these cult communes. Ideally, any reasonably small group of jointly amorous ADULTS who wish to get married should be able to do so. But no father, stepfather, uncle, "priest" or "prophet" should be allowed to coerce even ONE underage child into "marriage" or even into concubinage. Ditto for a grown woman, naturally.
Ironically, the same groups of religious nuts who OPPOSE public assistance for families who really need it are gaming the system. And yes, I have seen TV documentaries that bring attention to the "excess" boys being discarded, and in some cases killed. No one should be able to use a religious cult as an excuse to build a racketeering enterprise and break the law.
Tue, 2013-07-16 08:10
There is no good reason to deny that we must keep evolving until an adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, monogamy or polyamory, race, or religion is free to marry any and all consenting adults, regardless of consanguinity. The limited same-gender freedom to marry is a great and historic step, but is NOT full marriage equality, because equality "just for some" is not equality. All the objections raised against polygamous or polyamorous and consanguineous marriages only apply to specific cases, not in general, and aren't applied consistently to other relationships. Plenty of people have horror stories about supposedly monogamous, heterosexual, nonconsanguineos marriages (and plenty of children born to such marriages have had genetic problems) but we don't ban them, do we?
Consensual incest is legal in Rhode Island and New Jersey. Data does not indicate a problem (well, other than "Jersey Shore"). Why should marriage rights be denied? I personally know triads and close relatives (some of them didn't meet until they were adults) who would legally marry the day it became legal. They have beautiful, healthy, lasting relationships and should not be denied, no matter who finds any given relationship disgusting. Look up consanguinamory.
Tue, 2013-07-16 11:00
In 2011, Chief Justice Bauman of the Supreme Court of British Columbia heard a constitutional reference about the anti-polygamy provision in s. 293 of the Criminal Code of Canada. The Court received evidence and heard exhaustive argument from intervenors (represented by able legal counsel) on both side of the issue. The decision – online at http://canlii.ca/t/fnzqf – comprises 1367 paragraphs, structured with numerous headings and subheadings, and, of course, a table of contents.
The Court concluded that the anti-polygamy provision was constitutional (except when applied so as to criminally charge minors).
Chief Justice Bauman summarized his findings on harm as follows:
[6] Based on the most comprehensive judicial record on the subject ever produced, I have concluded that the Attorneys General and their allied Interested Persons have demonstrated a very strong basis for a reasoned apprehension of harm to many in our society inherent in the practice of polygamy as I have defined it in these reasons.
. . . . . .
[8] Women in polygamous relationships are at an elevated risk of physical and psychological harm. They face higher rates of domestic violence and abuse, including sexual abuse. Competition for material and emotional access to a shared husband can lead to fractious co-wife relationships. These factors contribute to the higher rates of depressive disorders and other mental health issues that women in polygamous relationships face. They have more children, are more likely to die in childbirth and live shorter lives than their monogamous counterparts. They tend to have less autonomy, and report higher rates of marital dissatisfaction and lower levels of self-esteem. They also fare worse economically, as resources may be inequitably divided or simply insufficient.
[9] Children in polygamous families face higher infant mortality, even controlling for economic status and other relevant variables. They tend to suffer more emotional, behavioural and physical problems, as well as lower educational achievement than children in monogamous families. These outcomes are likely the result of higher levels of conflict, emotional stress and tension in polygamous families. In particular, rivalry and jealousy among co-wives can cause significant emotional problems for their children. The inability of fathers to give sufficient affection and disciplinary attention to all of their children can further reduce children's emotional security. Children are also at enhanced risk of psychological and physical abuse and neglect.
[10] Early marriage for girls is common, frequently to significantly older men. The resultant early sexual activity, pregnancies and childbirth have negative health implications for girls, and also significantly limit their socio-economic development. Shortened inter-birth intervals pose a heightened risk of various problems for both mother and child.
[11] The sex ratio imbalance inherent in polygamy means that young men are forced out of polygamous communities to sustain the ability of senior men to accumulate more wives. These young men and boys often receive limited education as a result and must navigate their way outside their communities with few life skills and social support.
[12] Another significant harm to children is their exposure to, and potential internalization of, harmful gender stereotypes.
[13] Polygamy has negative impacts on society flowing from the high fertility rates, large family size and poverty associated with the practice. It generates a class of largely poor, unmarried men who are statistically predisposed to violence and other anti-social behaviour. Polygamy also institutionalizes gender inequality. Patriarchal hierarchy and authoritarian control are common features of polygamous communities. Individuals in polygynous societies tend to have fewer civil liberties than their counterparts in societies which prohibit the practice.
[14] Polygamy's harm to society includes the critical fact that a great many of its individual harms are not specific to any particular religious, cultural or regional context. They can be generalized and expected to occur wherever polygamy exists.
. . . . . .
[230] The harms against women include: exploitation; commodification; social isolation; the inevitable favouritism of some women and deprecation of others within the household; discrimination; and, impoverishment.
[231] The harms against children include: the negative impacts on their development caused by discord, violence and exploitation in the marital home; competition between mothers and siblings for the limited attention of the father; diminishment of the democratic citizenship capabilities of children as a result of being raised by mothers deprived of their basic rights; impoverishment; and, violation of their fundamental dignity.
[232] The harms against men include: the unequal distribution of spouses and related ostracism of younger men forced to compete for a scarcer supply of women; the creation of a false appetite for patriarchy; inflammation of male lust; and deprivation of the essential bond of mutuality that is unique to the marital institution.
[233] Finally, the harms to society that flow from polygamy include: threats to the social order and a greater need for social supports as women lacking education and opportunity to enhance themselves, as well as their children, find themselves impoverished upon divorce or the death of their husbands; harms to good citizenship; threats to political stability; and the undermining of human dignity and equality.
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[1316] The evidence demonstrates that polygamy is associated with very substantial harms. The prevention of these harms is salutary. Some of the beneficial effects of the ongoing prohibition of polygamy include:
a) Increased per-child parental investment, with the expected increase in the mental and physical wellbeing of children overall;
b) Reduced social strife, conflict and crime expected from more uneven distribution of the opportunity to marry;
c) Reduced average age gaps between husbands and wives, increasing equality in marriages;
d) Reduction in sexual predation on young girls;
e) Reducing incentives for male control over women and their reproductive capacity; and
f) Consistency with Canada's international treaty and legal obligations.
Wed, 2013-07-17 14:35
The ruling from the B.C. Superior Court that you cited was nothing but a kangaroo court exercise in bigotry and hypocrisy.
All those arguments against polygamous marriage could be made and indeed, were made about gay marriage. Did that stop Canada from legalizing gay marriage? Nope.
What Canadian jurists forgot was that, by giving homosexuals the right to marriage equality while denying that same marriage equality to heterosexuals, they made a mockery of their own justice system.
Apparently, in Canada, some people are little more 'equal' than others.
I doubt the U.S. justice system would be as hypocritical and corrupt as that.
Tue, 2013-07-16 14:27
This is ridiculous, disgraceful, and totally irresponsible. A piece completely harmful to the hard work of human rights and women's rights activists.
First off, no chooses to be LGBT - and remember LGBT people include LGBT children too.
Things like polygamy and incest on the other hand ARE chosen.
While marriage equality will bring equality to society, things like polygamy and incest will bring societal problems.
And remember, marriage equality exists in CIVILIZED and DEVELOPED democracies, and is a MODERN and PROGRESSIVE idea.
Where does polygamy exist? In BACKWARD societies! It is a tool of PATRIARCHAL societies.
Lastly, LGBT rights are human rights (as confirmed by the UN Human Rights Council).
Where does polygamy stand in relation to human rights? As something which human rights organizations have called to be ABOLISHED throughout the world! Indeed polygamy is a VIOLATION of human rights, AND TWO globally binding human rights conventions (the ICCPR and the CEDAW).
As the world moves forward backward things will be abolished, and modern equality will prevail!
EQUALITY FOR ALL means the right of every person to marry ONE OTHER PERSON with the usual reasonable requirements.
Thu, 2013-07-25 20:13
Tue, 2013-07-16 14:55
"distinctions that we have not yet articulated well"
What BS. This matter is raised in like any thread, however narrow, that discusses some SSM issue. There are distinct differences, articulated quite well, between discriminating based on a personal characteristic like sex in monogamous relationships and incest and polygamy. This is so even if there is some broad ability to apply equality and liberty to include them all.
Just because some argument in some broad sense (e.g., concern about children) is raised in one context, it doesn't mean it is the same. SSM do not threaten children on the merits. OTOH, incest can threaten children in various ways on the merits. Ditto coercion and other things. Just because such and such a group is politically powerless (let's say those who wish to marry ten year olds) isn't the end of the question. No wonder a prime anti-SSM advocate linked this article.
Discrimination by sex specifically must meet a high degree of scrutiny that is not shown here. Discrimination by number or immediate family member, often not so much. Jonathan Rauch, William Estridge [both in well argued books], Ted Olson in oral argument, et. al., ad nauseam has in detail explained the differences here.
How tiresome.
Wed, 2013-07-17 09:48
Look, I'm totally neutral on the polygamy issue, but it seems to me there is a very simple point to be made here. The strong argument about same-sex marriage is and always has been an equality argument, as in: equal protection of the laws. The Massachusetts SJC, for example, noted specifically that there simply were no aspects of the law governing marriage that depended upon the spouses' being of opposite sexes. So no laws had to be changed or updated or anything when same-sex marriage became legal in Massachusetts. Only the wording on certain forms had to be changed. And it is the same everywhere else. Why? Because if there were gender biases in marriage law, that would clearly be objectionable, since it would amount to sex discrimination.
This argument simply does not apply to the case of polygamy. So there is no parallel, and there never was one. Maybe there is a case to be made the polygamous marriage should be legally permitted. But that case will not be an equal protection case.
Thu, 2013-07-25 20:07
"The strong argument about same-sex marriage is and always has been an equality argument, as in: equal protection of the laws."
Sorry, rgheckjr but your argument holds no water. If 'equal protection of the law' protects those who desire gay marriage, then it must protect polygamous marriages as well.
Why would homosexuals benefit from the notion of equality under the law when heterosexuals don't?
Wed, 2013-07-17 12:40
The best reason that polygamy can't be reached via the slippery slope is that it would require so many changes in law that are not required by the introduction of same-sex marriage.
For example, currently there is no need to determine which husband has the right to make end-of-life decisions for his wife. But if there were multiple husbands, the law would somehow have to pick one to be the decision maker. What property settlements would be appropriate for divorces in polygamous households? Would a divorcing wife be entitled to half of both husbands' property? Or just a third? Would a divorcing wife be entitled to a property settlement from another wife, in addition to a property settlement from the husband? How would custody and child support work in divorces? Which of the non-custodial parents would have visitation rights? Does the biological father have more rights than a non-biological co-father? If so, how wold things work in an adoption situation? If a husband has two wives, and then he dies, are the two widows married to each other? How would social security survivor benefits be divided? Could a wife with a co-wife and several husbands divorce only one of them? Could a person be part of two different polygamous unions?
I don't know of any easy or clear answers to these questions. Most societies that have polygamy have only polygyny, that is, multiply wives, and as importantly wives who are comparatively powerless. Divorces are easy, and no property settlement is expected.
Thu, 2013-07-18 19:41
"The best reason that polygamy can't be reached via the slippery slope is that it would require so many changes in law that are not required by the introduction of same-sex marriage."
What disingenuous nonsense! The introduction of same sex marriage would require numerous changes in estate, property division and tax laws.
Now, let's examine your arguments against legalizing polygamy.
1) "For example, currently there is no need to determine which husband has the right to make end-of-life decisions for his wife. But if there were multiple
husbands, the law would somehow have to pick one to be the decision maker."
No, the law would not have to pick one to be the decision-maker. The wives would make the decision together based on the wishes of their ailing husband.
2) "What property settlements would be appropriate for divorces in polygamous households?"
Equal division of assets, which is exactly what happens now.
3) "Would a divorcing wife be entitled to a property settlement from another wife, in addition to a property settlement from the husband?
No, the women are married to their husband, not to each other.
4) "Which of the non-custodial parents would have visitation rights? Does the biological father have more rights than a non-biological co-father?"
Since every child in a polygamous family has a biological mother and father, this would not be an issue at all when it comes to polygamy. However, it
would certainly be an issue in a homosexual marriage where, at best, only one of the homosexuals could possibly be related to the child. Usually, neither
of them is related to the child.
5) "If a husband has two wives, and then he dies, are the two widows married to each other?"
No, the wives are married to their husband - not each other.
6) "How would social security survivor benefits be divided?"
Social security benefits would be divided equally amongst the wives.
7) "Could a wife with a co-wife and several husbands divorce only one of them?"
That's quite irrelevant since it involves group marriage and not polygamy.
8) "Could a person be part of two different polygamous unions?"
No. Again, since we are talking about polygamy and not group marriage, your point is a non-issue.
Thu, 2013-07-18 21:34
No, in fact, other than a few changes in printed fiorms, same sex marriage has not required any changes in other laws in New York. If you think otherwise, please cite a few examples.
In a state with same sex marriage, what's the difference between group marriage and polygamy? In New York, a woman can marry a woman and a woman can marry a man. Under a polygamous system, why can't a woman marry one of each?
It's sort of weird that you say that same sex marriage requires a lot of change in law, but polygamy doesn't. Lesser included case, and all.
Fri, 2013-07-19 11:38
Don't hold your breath on a response.
You're right - same sex marriages require little change in legislation - taxes, benefits, etc. Change some wording and it's done. There's nothing else to be done.
Polygamy would require many more changes. That being said, it could all be worked out.
As long as all parties are adults, I have no problem with it. I don't see that both situations are the same. As others have posted, one is a choice, one isn't. But, if three or six individuals all love each other and want to get married, I'm all for it. We're supposed to be smart in this country, we can figure out how to determine which husband has power of attorney and how a divorce from a polygamous marriage is handled.
Thu, 2013-07-25 19:45
"You're right - same sex marriages require little change in legislation - taxes, benefits, etc. Change some wording and it's done. There's nothing else to be done.
Polygamy would require many more changes."
Both types of marriage would require changes in the law but gay marriage would require more than polygamous marriage mainly because polygamous marriage is heterosexual marriage, which is the way of the world since the beginning of time. Gay marriage, on the other hand is a concept virtually unknown to humanity, except for two insane Roman emperors.
"I don't see that both situations (polygamous marriage and gay marriage) are the same. As others have posted, one is a choice, one isn't."
Really? Perhaps you would care to explain that remark. Which one of those marriages is a choice and which one isn't?
Thu, 2013-07-25 19:30
"No, in fact, other than a few changes in printed fiorms, same sex marriage has not required any changes in other laws in New York. If you think otherwise, please cite a few examples."
RobNYNY, have you ever heard of Edith Windsor? Research that case and get back to me on that claim of yours. I haven't even mentioned all those 1300 benefits of legal marriage that gay marriage supporters claim they're deprived of. All these benefits are written into law somewhere and they would have to be changed in order to accommodate the notion of gay marriage.
"In a state with same sex marriage, what's the difference between group marriage and polygamy? In New York, a woman can marry a woman and a woman can marry a man. Under a polygamous system, why can't a woman marry one of each?"
Well, Rob, clear logic should tell you that if a woman marries a man AND a woman, then it would be a polygamous marriage. If a woman marries two men and a woman, it would be a group marriage.
"It's sort of weird that you say that same sex marriage requires a lot of change in law, but polygamy doesn't."
I think it's sort of weird that you say that polygamy requires a lot of change in law, but same-sex marriage doesn't. So I guess we're even.
Thu, 2013-07-18 10:42
Wed, 2013-07-24 12:02
Succinct Observation of the Hour Award winner, Cromulent.
Perhaps you were thinking of other historical precedents such as,
The Wimpy appeal -- We'll gladly cut deficit spending Wednesday for a tax-increase burger today , and
The "deal" they're still laughing about -- amnesty now, and we'll seal the borders so it'' never happen again.
Mon, 2013-12-16 18:49
Absolutely correct, Cromulent. That's exactly what we leftists will do until every vestige of unjust privilege is gone. "Freedom is but privilege extended, till it's enjoyed by one and all." Conservatives didn't want free blacks to have the same civil and political rights as free whites because it would lead to mixed marriages. It took a century for mixed marriages to be legal everywhere, but it came eventually, despite all the kicking and screaming. And you know what? Society hasn't collapsed, nor has the world come to an end.
Fri, 2013-07-19 11:58
"Maybe I am speaking out of school here, but arguments for marriage equality do not really depend on the claim that people have no choice about who they are. "
Mr. Greenfield, you should stick to corporate law. Immutability and innateness may not be the forefront of the argument for LGBT equality, but it is the foundation upon with the it is built. That is the distinction that you seek.
Fri, 2013-07-19 12:23
Fri, 2013-07-19 13:03
Fri, 2013-07-19 15:13
I'm gay, so maybe I don't get the whole thing with some rich dude taking all the women. But I also find it kind of ironic that Abraham, the common link between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, was sleeping with his slave woman because his wife was apparently infertile.
Fri, 2013-07-19 15:20
To "chitan" in answer to the comment that "immutability and innateness may not be the forefront of the argument for LGBT equality, but it is the foundation upon [which] it is built": if that's the case, it's a very shaky foundation. The very existence of Bisexual and Transgender people proves that sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT innate, immutable characteristics, but are fluid, changeable over time and circumstances. The Queer civil rights movement has, I think, reached the limits of what it can achieve by the analogy to race and racial discrimination (indeed, with the increasing numbers of mixed-race people -- including our current President -- even the struggle for racial equality needs to be rethought in ways that move away from race as an inborn, immutable characteristic). Religion is a better analogy for the movement than race; it's obviously a choice, though (as previous commentators in this thread have noted) one heavily conditioned by upbringing and parental and community influence, and yet it's specifically protected by the Constitution. If humans are body, mind and spirit, and if the Constitution protects expressions of the mind (freedom of speech and press) and spirit (freedom of religion), then surely we should also protect the freedom of the body to express itself sexually as long as there is both the capability and reality of mutual consent.
Like it or not, Kent Greenfield is absolutely right that there are no rational grounds for distinguishing the argument for legalizing same-sex marriage from the one for legalizing polygamy. (I'm not so sure about incest; I think Greenfield too lightly dismisses the public-health rationale for avoiding the conception and birth of inbred children.) Warren Jeffs wasn't prosecuted for polygamy, but for facilitating statutory rape by forcibly "marrying" underage girls to adult men -- something that would (and should) be prosecutable even if genuinely voluntary, consensual polygamy were legal. If the government is going to be in the business of recognizing certain intimate relationships and giving their participants special legal rights, it should not discriminate based on the number of partners any more than it should based on their gender.
Fri, 2013-07-19 21:40
I don't see asexual marriages as falling outside the discussion. The marriage ceremony, religious or not, does not require there to be any sexual relations. There is no prescribed amount of sexual relations for married people, and nobody checks to see if a quota is filled.
Fri, 2013-07-19 23:57
This was not always the case. In medieval times, a wife could take her husband to the "church court" if he was consistently having a problem. There were tests on occasion in which one or two priests witnessed the couple attempting to consummate their marriage. Other tests involved the husband being placed with a prostitute while being observed by priests. If he could not perform EVEN with the prostitute, the wife could get a divorce (I assume that if he COULD, he could be charged with adultery, so there was no way an accused husband could win).
Sat, 2013-07-20 00:08
It is true that the form of polygamy that is seen most commonly is the patriarchal polygyny, which may be worse today than it was in ancient time (or maybe the accounts of ancient families that have come down to us, as in the Bible, were a bit whitewashed). There is also polyandry, one woman having multiple husbands or lovers, and "group marriage" such as three of each all living together. Any of these arrangements might be legalized in the future, but one key restriction would be that ALL men and women involved must be ADULTS when they begin the relationship (or when an additional member joins it), and that the rights of ALL members must be protected, in terms of property, etc. if the family partially or totally breaks up. This would be the most difficult part of writing multiple-marriage laws.
Wed, 2013-07-24 11:38
Sun, 2013-07-21 11:11
Another thing which is persistently ignored by the attempted arguments is that "polygamy" is not a synonym for "polygyny". (Now, write that a hundred times!)
I know living, breathing polyandrists, and they seemed unimpressed by assertions that they do not exist. Much less that they are being "coerced".
Tue, 2013-07-23 23:08
No. 1 -- "Gay" and "Homosexual" are not interchangeable words. Gay means happy & carefree. You know what homosexual means. I wish people would stop trying to ruin a perfectly good word (gay) by connotating it with something which has no relationship to it (homosexuality).
No. 2 -- Homosexual people are NOT born that way, it is a choice they make. My reason for stating this irrevocably is because God condemns homosexuality in His Word (the Bible), and tells all people to abstain from it (and all other sexual deviation and immorality.) God does not tell someone to not do a thing if it is impossible for them to not do it. It is a matter of morals, not a matter of being "hard-wired" a certain way.
Wed, 2013-07-24 11:31
If the author believes inbreeding doesn't create birth defects he hasn't been to Saudi Arabia where arranged marriages within families has created whole industries of medical specialities. As with many societal mores, "not marrying your cousin" is grounded in hard lessons.
Thu, 2013-07-25 01:16
John Howard
Thu, 2013-07-25 12:03
When you realize that marriage means approving of the conception of offspring together, we can make all three decisions separately, just like they did interracial marriage in the 60's. The question then was obviously about prohibiting people from making interracial children in order to preserve the system of racial categorization and white privilege. No one considered de-linking marriage and procreation rights, no one said maybe the Lovings could marry but not be allowed to procreate, or be allowed to procreate but not be allowed to marry. Everyone recognized it is the same issue. Same with incest an polygamy - everyone recognizes that the issue is letting them reproduce or not. But few people recognize that same-sex procreation is a possibility, they think it is impossible when in fact labs are working on making sperm from a woman's bone marrow and eggs from a man to enable same-sex couples to have biological offspring. So allowing marriage again means allowing procreation in principle. But, as with incest and polygamy, it is bad public policy to allow same-sex couples to procreate offspring, and there is no right to that overcomes the costs and risks.
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