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Ideological topics: Wealth Redistribution, Equality, Universal Health Care are quite contentious. Is there common ground for common good?
How do you obtain common ground in an ideological argument? What methods have proved fruitful in the past? Is there even a solution?
I am still working through Rousseau's Origins of Inequality but, this statement stood out.
"Thus, as the most powerful or the most miserable considered their might or misery as a kind of right to the possessions of others, equivalent, in their opinion, to that of property, the destruction of equality was attended by the most terrible disorders. Usurpations by the rich, robbery by the poor, and the unbridled passions of both, suppressed the cries of natural compassion and the still feeble voice of justice, and filled men with avarice, ambition and vice."
What methods do you use to sway the idealist who in reality means no harm yet causes harm with each keystroke?
Feb 6 2014: Perhaps by being with that person and listening with empathy, compassion and equanimity. The way that i see it now is the more stubborn someone is in there ideas, the more they are relying on those ideas as security from fear of the unknown. Fear creates tension in the body. The more tension we have in our body's, the stronger our urge is to release it. If we are ignorant to this process, the release can come out in the form of anger, ill will and manipulation. If we can listen to people without reacting or creating aversion to what they are saying, maybe we can help them become a lighter person. Without putting our energy in reacting to their harm, we can also put that energy into creating good.
It might work, it might not, but maybe it's worth a tryFeb 6 2014: Joe, Mark Twain once said .. A wise man once said never argue with a fool because the people watching from a distance cant tell who is who.
The reason I quote this is because we can have meaningful conversations in which ideas are presented and explored by each side in a respectful manner where we both learn and grow ... or we can have "arguments" where each side is entrenched and sure that theirs is the only way.
When the administration posed the 1% argument .. then we had OWS ... the lines were drawn. There is no middle ground. I noticed that not one of the 1% rabid and vocal Senators and Representatives or members of the administration, including the president, have volunteered to lead and redistribute their millions. When this occurs then I will reconsider the argument.
It is like Al Gore preaching global warming and flying in his polluting jet and homes that are not in the least energy efficient or nature friendly. OR If the House, Senate, and all government officials be mandatorily placed on Obamacare for the whole time they serve.
In short, my point is that if we had strong, honest, transparent leadership that lead the way there would be less "arguments" and more support. We have become sheeple that buy the manure that these people are selling while they have become the elite, above the law, and not being held accountable.
This applies to all parties and politicians ... Diogenes would die in Washington DC before finding a honest politician.
Feb 6 2014: Always love a good Mark Twain quote. Thumbs up. Having turned our democracy over to the rich, we'd have to side step it to get anything done for the common good. What's more, issues of environment and resources have become global issues. How are you going to sidestep all the governments in the world? Even the United Nations has a structure that's unlikely to get anything done. Even if we created virtual world-wide "franchise governments", so that folks could choose any form of government, where ever they lived, these virtual governments, even if they we're true democracies, might not manage to agree on a plan for planet management. If by some miracle, governments did agree to act for the common good, then we'd still have a pretty intersting ride ahead of us for the next 300 - 500yrs.
Feb 10 2014: First, we never had a democracy (mob rule, where 50%+1 can legitimately vote the 50%-1 to death). Second, we never turned the republic over to the rich. They always ran it.
Feb 11 2014: That is a fact. We must acknowledge the fact that it was an improvement from what came before.
The unprecedented challenge we face is that millions of lives, if not billions, are directly dependent upon the continued functioning of our economic system. Such that the grocery stores remain stocked, the power remains on, the water continues to flow, and the gas pumps are filled so that we may travel to our place of work and put forth our share of productivity in order to reap our share of the benefits. The amount of work contributed, and the amount of benefits reaped, will never be entirely equal between all individuals. It's not in the nature of life on this planet, nor this solar system for all we know. For if all the matter was divided equally, there would be no critical mass able to begin the fusion process from which our sun draws its energy, and there would be no life as we know. Ironically, the division of matter between the bodies in our solar system is highly representative of the division of wealth between the bodies in our society.
Moreover, the cycle of star birth-death-birth (via supernovas & their variations) supplies each subsequent solar system with an increased amount of complex elements from which the next generation of celestial bodies may use to produce increasingly complex life.
All this is to say that each system peaks and collapses, but what rises from the ashes is increasingly complex, thus granting each new cycle the ability to create greater things than the last (generally speaking).
The difference between the evolution of civilization and the evolution of the material content of the cosmos is that we must now grapple with the morality of losing billions of lives by allowing the system to collapse, or evolving the system we have to save those lives by sacrificing a small part of our individual selves in order to evolve our greater prosperity.
The tough part is convincing people to evolve their hearts. But there will always be a rich peak.Feb 6 2014: Bob, welcome to the conversation.
You are depressing me! I am in agreement with your statements in such I cannot see a way out.
My first thought was that someone on K street would blow out Diogenes's candle.
Our little forum rife with disagreement is a start. We may not agree on the finer points, but the big picture humanity has to be front and center.
The talk I linked describes a meteor as the congealing agent for common action. Is this our only hope?Feb 8 2014: Robert,
Once again, you've won the HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD award.Feb 8 2014: HI Robert.
Once again you've missed the point.
You say: ".....if we had strong, honest, transparent leadership that lead the way there would be less "arguments" and more support......." Etc.
You will never have strong, transparent leadership, etc. in a thoroughly corrupt system that thrives on corruption as its food. Never. Never.
You can never replace one agenda with another because any agenda that gets a foothold will become corrupt because it all takes place in one arena and that arena is the totally corrupt system we already have.
A system that cannot become corrupted has to be created and implemented but everyone says that isn't possible so they don't even think about it, which would require thinking in new ways and letting go of what you currently have in reality, in thoughts, in ideas and so on, in order to even begin finding a common ground to work from. Apparently many can no longer think for themselves.
Human Needs as Human Rights might be a place to start and how to do it.
Consider: a human cannot become a moral person unless and until they are free.
If we were to look upon becoming a moral person as a form of healing, then the resources we work for and desperately need (we don't work for money. don't be fooled by that), can never be managed "morally" until they are free to all life, as that was the intention whether there is a Being or not. It is a sign of extreme mental illness, if not outright insanity, that people not only believe, but accept and continue on with, the idea that any one individual, group of people, country, corporation, military or otherwise can own or control any resource of the earth, which just happen to be a part of Human Needs.
They also are incredibly mismanaged by those who control them, for two reasons: power and profit.
There is no population problem. There is a mis-management problem and with fracking we can see just how willing they are to destroy the earth. They are sociopathic and psychopathic.
Honesty from them?
Feb 8 2014: Thank you or agreeing and arguing my point for me.Feb 9 2014: Bob,
Agree with you - Both parties have failed us in Washington.Feb 11 2014: You're right, we need honest and transparent leaders. But that's not all we need.
In order for those leaders to be successful, there must also be a change in the hearts and minds of those who are being led. If the sheep don't trust the shepherd, he won't have a herd, no matter how truthful and honest that shepherd may be. Success hinges on whether or not the people believe that those leaders are honest and forthright in their intentions as well as in their actions. And when you see the world today, all of the hate and sadism thrown from every corner by people loud enough & enraged enough to stand in front of a microphone so as to make their one pedantic voice heard by millions of people, could you imagine your voice standing out alone for what is right, even though so many other hearts feel the same yet would remain silent for fear of their own scrutiny?
You need to check out The Giving Pledge. They're the billionaires of industry and technology, and so far they've pledge roughly 2 trillion US dollars between their 86 members for philanthropic purposes. Trillion was not a mistype. It's led by Bill Gates and Bill Clinton I believe.
The government won't do it because it can't, it's confined to the will of the majority and the majority is pathetically ill equipped to understand and solve the worlds problems. The golden boys & girls of the corporate world will do it instead. I hope they go through with it, and I hope they use it well.
Feb 11 2014: Hi Kyle, in the spirit of my question, how would you discuss your points with the other group. Who says that Opportunity not charity are the hallmarks of society.
How do we seek that common ground, short of a meteor strike ;)Feb 11 2014: Kyle, You have developed a conundrum or maybe a circular argument which I cannot solve. Hitler made socialist promises that the people believed in and supported ... but was hardly transparent in his goals. In 1916 Hipólito Yrigoyen was elected president of Argentina also making social programs and economic redistribution promises .... In all cases the free market was shut down by regulations and policies which led to the collapse. In short free market worked and socialism did not.
Thus your conundrum: A liberal socialist being elected by a majority and 2) the "golden boys and girls of the corporate world solving the problems.
The first spends through the Keynesian economics as fast as possible with no regard to budget and could care less about the ratio to the GDP or how to sustain programs they enact ... thus driving a national debit to in excess of 17 trillion ... print more money ... reduce working hours ... big government .... and so forth ... a nanny state.
The second cannot stay in business when regulated out of any profit margin ... failure means less jobs ... reduced GDP ... political and economic instability ... import / export imbalance ... and followed by recession and depressions ... which we are on the cusp of at present.
In 2008 2 trillion dollars was approximately on half of the national debit and would have solved many issues ... today 2 trillion is less than a eighth of the growing debit and will not make a dent also remember that the government and the debit are growing and the corporations and jobs are shrinking.
It will take generations to solve these issues ... and yet only a short time to cause them.
History has shown us ... yet we fail to read and listen to history.
We have a great Constitution we are not using if any country is interested ...... free to loving and caring leaders.
Thanks for the reply .. Bob.Feb 8 2014: I think it would be prudent to restructure economic compensation according to a different set of criteria than the current system allows. In my opinion, the current "standard of valuation" provided within the context and constraints of a monetary system that only considers generated profits and cash flow as the basis of compensation is dismissive of consideration that, in the eyes of our Creator, every every human life is regarded with a valuation of equality. Therefore, it seems reasonable that other factors must be considered in judging "human worth" in terms of more than mere currency in order to balance the equation in a manner that induces people to regard one another with an attitude that fosters a sense of equality in respect and dignity accorded to one another. I believe that there must be an element of discipline and sacrifice exercised by every individual toward effecting a system of control and oversight upon the propensity of humanity to succumb to the seductions of greed and avarice among a whole host of other denigrating behaviors that stratify and maintain a condition of adversarial competition that serves as the base of a system of human productivity riddled with redundancy, inefficiency and waste. It is also mired with every incentive to contrive unfair advantage and lends itself to abuse by those who are lazy and function according to predatory instincts of survival rather than mutual benefit and support of the whole of our species within patterns of ethics, honesty and integrity.
To summarize my perspective of the system of economics that governs conditions within the world today, there appears to be every incentive toward a system of valuation that supports selfishness, dishonesty and covert mechanisms of control and protection rather than a disciplined system of valuation of the worth of humanity toward functioning with transparency, generosity and social concern for the well being, protection and provision for all according to "Higher Values".
Feb 8 2014: I agree with your yearning for a change to the economic system. Competitive economics has no value on a human. The only economic value is the future productivity stream of that individual, as we get older we all cross a line whereby we become an economic liability! Ha.
Thankfully to be human is to put value on other humans. Biologically and not economically speaking we value one another. The system of economics is at odds with the system of our biological better nature.
For the economic system to change we need to change our behaviour, a few at first...with other catching on to behaving in an ethical manner. more evolution than revolution. I have an essay on the subject. see http://www.goviralbaby.com/world-peace-anyone.htmlFeb 9 2014: Hi Richard Thank you for sharing your insight. I cannot add anything to your comments, except to thank you .
Lawren Jones
Feb 6 2014: I rarely have any expectation of swaying the opinion of those I debate against. The idea, rather, is to win over the minds of passive readers, to keep my opponent's harmful ideas from spreading.
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Feb 6 2014: How true! One of your exchanges on a religious topic, is a perfect example.
I was moved by the tone of your replies. Even in the presence of persistent questioning you shined through. We do not agree on the topic yet I saw your replies as perfect compliments to your points.
Mark one effected reader in your win column.
Feb 6 2014: Thank, Joe! That means a lot.
Fritzie -
Feb 6 2014: You make a good point here that a conversation is not only for the people engaging in it by actively expressing a view but also for people who may follow along considering the different points of view being expressed while evaluating the reasonableness and credibility of those presenting their perspectives.
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Part of what makes a person credible, I think, is if he actually shows he listens to the other person's argument rather than "standing on a soapbox."
I agree with Joe that your willingness to put forward and explain your point of view with civility and to engage in fruitful exchanges with others provides value to the "passive" audience.
In contrast, some people unknowingly talk on end without realizing no one else, other than the opponent in the debate perhaps, is interested any longer in following their style of speech-making. It's like the ineffective teacher who thinks that just because he said it, students are listening, understanding, and accepting it. Talking and communication are not the same.
Joe West
Feb 18 2014: In the final throws of this conversation, I would like to thank all who participated! In some cases common ground was reached. In some cases the discussions wage on.
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Yet, as pointed out in the conversation... Isn't discussion, common ground by itself?Feb 18 2014: Mike Colera wrote:
"As one of the sociopaths that hoards wealth, let me give my side of the situation... at least as I have come to understand it.
First I am retired. My wife and I live one a small pension and social security. "
1) When talking about sociopaths that hoard wealth, we are not talking about people that put away 10-20% of the median income so that over 50 years of working they will have 5-10 years of income saved up.
(current median in the USA being $50K, so $5-10K a year accumulated, meaning quarter to half a million dollars over a 50 year period of time.)
We are talking about people that accumulate millions or tens of millions of dollars per year, We're taking about people that accumulate 1,000 years of income ( $50 million) 10,000 years of income ($500,000), or units that equate to 20,000 years of income (billions).
These people are not planning on living in retirement for thousands or tens of thousands of years.
The max income talked about in the OP is no measured in the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars, and not
over a lifetime, but per year.
2) I hope you appreciate every day that small pension. My generation will not get pensions. My grandparents got pensions, my parents got pension buy-outs. My generation gets nothing.
3) One way or another, it is the current working generation that provides for the retired. Whether that is government, like SS and MC, whether it is pension paid out of current profits or profits distributed via corporation stock shares, whether it is interest on debt or some other mechanism, it is the current workers that are providing for the elderly.
Wouldn't it be great if we just accepted reality, and got rid of this silly notion that it is possible for everyone to save enough to retire on. Save enough what? Money? That is just other peoples' debts, requiring those other people to be in debt.Feb 13 2014: I searched the responses here for ideological... seeking to find out what had been said related to the inquiry "How do you obtain common ground"? What methods do individuals use to sway the ideologies of individuals who in reality mean one thing while in actuality causing the opposite with each action they take... be it performing keystrokes, entertaining thought, feelings behaviors?
I noticed how common wants can make common ground may lead to taking a first step... even then we still have to get over the hurtle of winer-loser games and embrace a winner-winner play where everyone wins. Oh 'challenges' into to the truth of something may be perceived as an inquisitive curious invitation to joint inquiry or as a provocative confrontation questioning that protests against someone. I have sort of found that there seems to be an inversely proportional emotive response dependent on factual veracity; that is the wise and rightful, those who hold the truth of something tend to remain calm and explain matters courteously, while 'the charlatans' tend to make a scene ... resorting to blame game tantrums that in essence 'demand' that others accept their opinions as valid independent of the validity of their opinions. In other words some still resort to emotional blackmail extortioning appeals to get their ways, rather than rational discourse based on what be appropriate. I wonder how the rational can create common ground with the irrational? Actually I know of the way, the challenge involve getting the irrational to be rational its a bit complicated especially when in the irrational logic the rational be irrational (and the irrational may seem rational ).
Curiously the idealists may provide the means for the common ground, it seems to me a bit odd that in the setup of this conversation it be seen as what causes harm!
I hold that the idealist ought to have a practical realistic course of action... appreciate what be, what ought be and act appropriately to make it be
Feb 14 2014: Esteban
Very good point, my question did frame the idealist as the villain. You argue, that the idealist could be a nucleation point. I agree. We have seen the evidence throughout history both in harm and in good to society.
What lies between the idealist ? That would have been a better question.
I contend that the "rightful or the wise" is subjective. I have found calm idiots and fanatical wisdom. The task is to ascertain which is our, truth.
Yet as you so eloquently posited , the search for our truth can be viewed as rational or irrational .
A paradox ?
Feb 14 2014: Joe,
To implement Don's point of moving from argument to discussion and maybe taking it a step further into a dialogue as I suggested. I would say: I point out that the idealists could be a nucleation point. Of course this also recognizes the fact idealists (and just about everyone) can be pro benefit and pro other stuff. We can frame just about everyone as this or that. The underlying point of course being why we do what we do? What is it that we promote with what we do/think/say/feel/express? For example why one seeks to promote the subjectivists position rather than the objectivist position in the form of a contentious duel that seeks to establish the subjectivist dominance?
I 'contend' that the "rightful or the wise" is objectively absolute and that the task is to ascertain IF one's subjective truth corresponds with The absolute truth. From there each decides what to do: accept what we, deny what be, work with what be, play with what be, change with what be and/or change what be . We can go into ascertaining the truth of the matter from multiple perspectives. Ironically and paradoxically I hope you actually noticed the self-contraditory oxymoronic expression 'subjectivist dominance' and the notions that cultivates. What is it that we promote with what we do/think/say/feel/express? Do we actually want to cultivate and promote the idea of 'subjectivist dominance' ? Do we want to 'content' and duel over who is right? Maybe we ought to focus on collaborating and figuring out what be right and how we can play win-win-win games
I told my sister how I like taking a complicated situation transforming it into a simple form finding a resolution there and transforming the results back into the complicated space. I mentioned how one can also do it the other way around, take s simple situation into a complicated form finding a resolution there (without getting lost in the complexities) transform the results back to the simple space. Work it rationally or irrationally.
Feb 14 2014: Esteban
I will acquiesce and double my efforts in your area of expertise! In this pursuit how do I understand the objective absolute?
A compilation of empirical evidence is obvious… cyanide is lethal.
In ideological conversations, the delineation is not so evident.
Our views of the world change, we rearrange them to suit the times, closing in on objective truths. What have we yet to discover, perhaps a redefinition of absolute truths.
Further complications arise when lack of empirical evidence in ideological arguments bolsters subjective fallacy, and strengthens claims to wisdom. Where do I find collaboration in "unicorns exist " ?Feb 14 2014: Joe,
Nice word there ... 'acquiesce' - accept something reluctantly but without protest
The pursuit of the objective absolute is akin to the pursuit to understand the subjective knowledge that another holds ... with the variation than instead of focusing on 'the subjective knowledge another happens to hold' we focus on ''what be". In both cases to know the stuff an individual has to ensure the correspondence between that what they think to be, and what happens to be. A compilation of empirical evidence may help, though one still has to be able to interpret the empirical evidence which involves having access to it and being able to decode it appropriately.
As you sort of mentioned in some cases we can look at factual observations to determine self-evident 'facts' ... though in reality the looking into the factual observations requires indirect factual observations with methods and tools that facilitate (or complicate) the looking into the matter. Of course some cases the delineation can be a bit more of a challenge to establish appropriately. There are even cases when individual views can influence what happens to happen and what is observed to happen. It's even possible that thoughts/ ideas/ actions/ beliefs/ attitudes/ etc... change the events that happen. All of this consider a willing agent who want to figure out what be and everything goes as intended (pure acceptance) To further complicate matters we could get into paradoxical fallacious cognitive dissonant situations that involve alternative considerations like denial and deceptions of the truth where what be the case is practically impossible to prove; never the less what be remains being what be.
There are all sorts of nuances to this subject objective knowledge... never the less... the empirical evidence is obvious… individuals can share what they happens to hold with each other! Some even can think to be what happens to be!
how does one understand the objective absolute?
By understanding it!
Feb 18 2014: Esteban
"Acquiesce " I pulled that one from my Word of the Day calendar.
These are difficult waters you propose I navigate! I find myself rereading your comments to make sure that no nuances escape. Within I find hints of Tao and Schrodingers Cat, combine that with my ignorance on the subject and rough sailing indeed. I am learning with each day.
This conversation is coming to an end and I would like to thank you for your insight. You have helped me see a different view and I have enjoyed it immensely ! Hopefully we talk again!Feb 18 2014: Joe,
I just had the idea that entangles Schrodingers Cat with the notion of 3D perception.
That is perceiving a 3D view involves taking two separate flat views and combining them in a particular way that produce a deeper view. Depth is a characteristic state that is an emergent combination of the states of two systems interlaced - once interacted but were then separated, and are now each in a definite state. The thing here is that there be three states coexisting; depending on which system one focuses on and 'measure' /observes there be subtle 'nuances'.
This also is related to an expanded communication model I developed and use where there is a triad of meanings: 1-the intended meaning 2-the perceived meaning and 3-the shared meaning. Which is the important meaning? Well that depends, sometimes its one and sometimes it's the other and sometimes it's something else (which can be both of them or be something else). For example, when a boss is giving out an instruction 'to do something' (1) what is understood (2) is secondary to what is being stated. When one wants to give a gift (1) to someone, what is primary is what the other want's to receive (2) rather than what one wants to give. Of course when the three meanings are one and the same, which one one pick makes no difference at all!
Indeed this conversation allotted time is about to expire. I am glad to have interacted with you and others here. I am particularly grateful of the opportunity to share a couple of ideological nuances which helped me to learn quite a bit. I realize that I brought into the conversation additional ideological topics please know and understand that it was seeking to create a broader common ground that be useful to better converse.
In a different conversation I learned the usefulness of expanding and contracting notions, here I learned to observe a characteristic state being separated and reintegrated to construct a set of definite state one can measure and observe.
Joe West
Feb 14 2014: Esteban
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I forgot to thank you for the wonderful summation of the conversation so far!Feb 13 2014: Joe, One more thing... your quote from Rousseau... he was expanding on the laws of Moses... showing how easy it is for man to capitulate to the vices of avarice, envy and stealing.
But he is commenting on the rights of possession....
My question is... wealth distribution, (universal) equality and Health Care are possessions? And how does one acquire these possessions?...
Although these topics are presented by some as "common good" but can not be accomplished on what could be recognized as common ground. The best I can see is that each person has the opportunity to acquire the wealth that he can acquire.... that we can achieve equality at least in law....
Health care? 6 years ago, I thought there was a plan to have some health care for those who could not afford healthcare.... instead we got a convoluted health insurance program that could at best make insurance companies better investment vehicles and at worse, increase federal deficits... in either case, those who need healthcare will not be better off. To be fair, a few may be helped and a few will be hindered... but on the national scale, it will be a wash...except in the financial debacle it has created.
Feb 14 2014: Mike
Very good arguments! The ObamaCare disaster. I fooled myself once into thinking that it was a first step into Universal Health Care. That turned out to be of little truth or comfort. Your description, is lacking in street vernacular. A few &^%$#@ should be sprinkled in for effect.
I see health care as a right, it sustains the very fabric of society , its people. To me, a market value on someone's life is grotesque.
From a motive prospective, yes, life is a very good motivator! One could argue that it is the driver of innovation and progress and rightly so. I have no qualms with that either.
I see money as an economic tool only. When money is used as an excuse for not taking care of our own, I grow concerned.
Feb 14 2014: Joe
It is not about taking care of people. My complaint is that it's the Federal Government..
As a student of the Constitution I see specific tasks assigned to the Federal Government, It is when the government gets involved in other areas... they seem to fail on a massive scale and waste money on a equally massive scale. That is the complaint you hear about the money. It is wasted.
I live in Texas. There are towns 50 miles apart. People have to drive hour(s) to get to healthcare providers. Why not set up public health facilities in these towns.
I live near a major city where health care is one of the largest industries. The joke goes you can't swing a dead cat and not hit 3 doctors. We also have a great number of citizens who.... poor and don't have health care insurance. Now they will be able to get insurance (at what personal cost, is unclear) but all these doctors in town have looked at the reimbursement rates and say too low, we can't accept this insurance. Now, I am sure someone will get an idea to fill this gap.... but the promises of the ACA go unmet and the cost at the Federal level has been estimated in the 12 digit range. As I said "so much money, so little results"Feb 15 2014: Mike, we all know the ACA is a fiasco.
I maybe more than the rest of you. Back in the day -- I spent a number of years administrating
a Health Insurance Corporation. A wicked vocation.
Back in the day, Hillary Clinton was given the responsibility to create a national HealthCare package.
Bill Clinton really thought she could pull it off. But when she called upon the leaders of the Health Insurance Industry to help design her package, a wiser congress wouldn't agree.
All that changed when Obama was elected. Today's Health Insurers will issue 30 million
new Policies without paying acquisition costs for sales agent commissions. Commissions were
running up to 25% of 1st year paid premiums, and 2.5% to 5% for future year's renewal paid
premiums for the life of the policies. You can all compute those amounts that our new and better
Health Insurers will find under their Christmas Trees in 2014, and each Christmas thereafter. .
I returned from the pharmacy earlier this evening. I purchased 25 blood glucose strips to use while
I try to find my supply from the VA. The cost, a mere $25.91. Hmmm, If I test 3 times a day I can
enjoy 8 days of testing. $1+, for each prick of my finger. You had better believe I will use them
very carefully, shaky hands or not. I don't think I will ask for re-imbursement from the VA. They
didn't misplace my supply, I did. But, I can get even for my perceived overcharge. I will never
visit that pharmacy ever again.Feb 11 2014: The link I included in my post was pivitol for me. I read that and then absorbed myself in information relative to psychopathy, and sociopathy. I have been a student of neuroscience for the last 13 years. I began with a project on early brain development and drifted into the implications for emotional intelligence. Regardless of the unresolved aspects of the nature or nurture argument, how we experience the world individually is directly related to the biology we are wired to. Check out, "Incognito, The Secret Lives of the Brain" by David Eagleman.
So if there is an element within our species that biologically has developed a neural processor which does not include emapthy, remorse, sympathy and a host of other emotions necessisary for basic human connection this can explain many acts of violence prevelant in our culture. The problem is we are focusing on the acts themselves rather than the neurological biology that may be the actual cause. I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be consequences for individuals responsible for acting out however if we cannot understand the biological underpinnings we will continue to put out the fires that are created rather than addressing the cause.
As a theory let's consider that meanwhile there is another class of extremely high functioning sociopaths(simular to lawyer in the article, Confessions of a Sociopath, included in my first post) and psychopaths. These create and work in those same institutions and corporations that are responsible for the safety and wellbeing of million or hundrends of millions of individuals. We find ourselves horrified and in utter disbelief at frauduelent nature of the monitary sysem and political systems that mirror the biology of the minds that created them. If we continue to place our attention on the acts and systems these individuals are responsible for and fail to deal with its neurological and biological cause we will continue to fight the symptoms.
Feb 12 2014: I could only give you one thumbs up, else I would have spent my allotment on your reply!
It would seem that the majority of the world leaders must have some of our sociopath lawyer in them.
Actually all do and some are rampant sociopaths.
I will have to do research to see if the trait is male dominant.
I now have a new path to research for my answer!Feb 12 2014: So, the devil made us do it!Feb 12 2014: I am not sure that we need to go as far as to say "is an element within our species that biologically has developed a neural processor which does not include empathy, remorse, sympathy and a host of other emotions necessary for basic human connection".
Even people that have empathy are capable of separating humans into "us" and "them", and even many levels of us. We feel differently toward our family, ethnicity, religious affiliates, countrymen, etc.
It becomes much worse when the cause and effect are not in obvious relationship.
Back to the OP's mention of wealth redistribution, people seem to not realize that it is accumulation of mass amount of money by the few that make it mandatory that the majority be going into debt.
The root cause of run-away debt is not people spending more than they earn. The root cause is people spending LESS than they earn, slowing the economy, causing governments to loosen lending conditions until more new money is created (by being borrowed into existence) then is leaking from active circulation via savings.
Whether the rich do not realize their mass accumulation of money is forcing everyone else to go into debt, or they simply do not care, because those people are not "us" is irrelevant. Either way, it is the mass accumulation of money by the few that is undermining the economy.
Feb 13 2014: I think the common element here is fear. The sociopath fears societies and needs to hoard wealth. The only element which has proven to shield them in the past.Feb 13 2014: Joe, thanks for that little connectiion.
People who are color blind do not live in the same world as those who are able to identify colors. People who are unable to identify colors are not stigmatized and left out, and the vulnerability required to acknowlege this deficit does not have the same ramifications associated with their personal relationships.
First let me say that, neurological, mental, cognitive and biological references to normal and abnormal do not necessisarily reflect the continum of let's say, born only with a brain stem on one end and Albert Einstein at the other. Hitler or Stallin on one end and Mother Teresa or Ghandi at the other. If those people demonstrate the ends of the spectrum, the rest of humanity falls somewhere in between.
If you can imagine, coming out of the closet and acknowledging to your family and friends that you have never actually felt sad, even when your pupppy was run over and you thought it was amusing to watch your grand father die of cancer, and you don't feel ashamed or remorseful. The reason our imaging this doesn't apply is because we imagine this with a lot of emotion for which they have no capacity.
The problem is how do we learn to live with them? How do I take myself out of the cattle pen?
I have some ideas about this however time remaining this am does not allow me to continue.
PS. Darrell, before the microscope and vacinations there were many ailments atributed to, The Devil, for which we now understand have basis is biology. I don't think you get a pass for destroying otherl people life or liberty because you have personal challenges. I don't think people who are proned to seizures that keep them from operating a vechicle on public roads, should be allowed a drivers license, I don't think that means people with seizures can't travel.Feb 11 2014: Anyone else ever notice that ALL schemes of "wealth redistribution" have ALWAYS ended up benefiting the "redistributors" more regularly and more consistently than they ever benefited the people the "wealth redistribution" schemes were alleged to be helping? If I were wanting to come up with a scam to line my own pockets and smell like roses, I would base it all around some kind of "wealth redistribution".Feb 11 2014: Self interest is at the center of this discontent. Anyone who has ever found themselves in a wartime or other survival situation knows that common interest trumps self interest six ways to Sunday. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
But there are far too many people, especially in North America, who have never known a need for community and co-operative efforts just to survive. Even the homeless of North America have better supports in their lives than a third of the planet's population who have no supports at all. There are far too many that are much more interested in "being" right than they are in "getting it" right. Namely the arrogant who skulk amongst us.
It seems the more comforts we enjoy the more self-interested we become and arrogance, selfishness, pettiness and mean-spiritedness are not far behind. Aspects of human behaviour that always become more and more prevalent as the abundance increases and diminish along with that abundance. .
Here is an interesting aspect of human arrogance and mean-spiritedness that can be seen as the 'canary in the coal mine'. Whenever we hear an individual or a group or even an idea being denigrated, dismissed as undeserving of basic respect, or even vilified you are witnessing human arrogance and petty mean-spiritedness in action. Conflict and even violence will not be far behind.
But what is most interesting in this observation is the need to first diminish the humanity of 'the other' before the mean-spiritedness can be manifested. We cannot be mean-spirited towards those people or ideas we have not first devalued. Once this sort of behaviour is recognized for what it is and challenged at the outset, the ability to develop common grounds and support common interests will flourish and humanity will have taken another step towards actual civilized existence.
Until then we are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes and obtaining the same results.
Feb 11 2014: William Thank you for joining in!
The paradox you describe is disheartening, in truth and in despair. With each economic advancement meant to improve our lives we lose a social tool, the kinship with our fellow travelers.
I would like to know more about the demoralization of "the others" view. Could the first steps in this process be inquiry?
In other words, is the process of diminishment preceded by a question which at that very moment gives validation of "the other".
If so could the universal need to understand, ever so fleeting in time that it may be, be used as a tool to stop the rooted dogma and social pressures which lead to diminishment?
Feb 11 2014: The first step in devaluing another seems to be "challenge".. Inquiry would be preferred and compromise - either of positions or goals - invariably precedes agreement if, in fact, agreement is the real goal.
But challenge divides and simply seeks to win rather than to progress or move forward. Challenge only has winners and losers, neither of which are tolerable in a co-operative or functional society. Winners and losers only inhabit arenas of competition where losers have long memories and hold grudges while winners exalt the win and use it to suggest that "winners" are superior, or better, or more important creating division, disagreement, prejudices, arrogance and eventually conflict.
Feb 12 2014: William! you continue to educate me, and for that, I thank you.
The "challenge", as you stated, is not from curiosity, it stems from preconcieved notions.
At that point it is to late, fear and cognitive dissonance dominates the assault.
I have seen the "attack" if you will, fade into understanding given enough time or a social event reframed the concept in the assailants mind.Feb 14 2014: Consider that the challenge or inquiry can be a tool to foster learning and appreciate something or be a distraction... by the same token the preconceived notions can be a tool that fosters understanding rather than allow seductive deceptions to drown those who intent to pass the straight hearing the songs therein ...
the "attack" will, fade into understanding given enough time or a social event that reframes the concept in the assailants mind... say like changing a fight into a dance....Feb 12 2014: There is also an incorrect tendency for people to think that what is best for them is best for the whole.
This is the essence of the divide in economics between the Austrian school and the Chicago school of thought.
Austrians deny feedback loops where what is good for one may be bad for others. They see total good as the sum of personal goods. Therefore, anything that is good for at least one is good for all.
The Chicago school of thought recognizes massive interconnections in the economy where what is good for one is bad for others. As a result, the Chicago school says that some things that are good for one may be bad for the whole.
While the evidence is overwhelming in favor of the Chicago school... heck, it is a mathematical tautology, there are still a very large number of very rich people that are absolutely convinced (at least they pretend to be convinced) that what is good for them increases total good.
Feb 13 2014: I was entangled in a discussion with one of the Austrian boys, I left a little bit of skin in that one!
The persistent thought that Macroeconomics was the only metric needed, drove the conversation into the dust.
I should have bailed earlier so I accept partial blame for the failure to communicate.Feb 17 2014: Assumptions are just as detrimental as challenges. Objective inquiry and active listening are not skills Western society promotes. In fact, the opposite where arrogance, ego, scorn and indifference are mores often the case.Feb 14 2014: I agree Bryan, that's why when you revalue weatlth, it's always done by the same group with a different smile. Maybe the trick is not to play the game. Instead of Wealth Redistribution, we Revalue Wealth. What if you considered yourself wealthy if you had real friends and your family loved you and one another. Things like Christmas, Birthdays, and Anniversaries didn't include debt or a trip to the mall. Revaluing Wealth might be Emotional Wealth, which would take the power away from the ones we are giving it to. We are playing their game and they could care less if children are being raised in front of a TV or a strangers house because mom and dad both have to work so the family can have a toaster and designer jeans.
The industrialist needed to sell their mass produced products in a utilitarian society, so they created a marketing scheem that would transform us into consumers. The model T ford was producted as a utilitarian product, the Mustang and Corvette were manufactured for consumers. I don't see a solution of one size that fits all however as I write these lines I feel a need to recomitt.to a simpler life with more emphasis on and emotional connection.
Also I have to look inside myself and wonder if it not just easier to play to the game that has been so ingeniously crafted which plays to my ego and those sociopathic, narcassistic, egotistical, tendencies we might all share?
Which brings up the point about self interest. Self interest is what would suggest that I understand and participate in survival of the group because the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Self interest seems only negative when its need for MORE creates a lifestyle that is unsustainable for the group or the planet.
I still hate that bumper sticker, Be The Change You Want To Be, or something like that because a part of me argues weather or not my change will matter or be enough. Am I just waisting my time or maybe my kids can figure it out.
Feb 17 2014: Possessing wealth equals status and accords privilege. It always has. But that does not mean we need to continue with that attitude. The greatest social control ever devised has always been one's status in the community. Change that and you change the world we live in.
The latest ism = capitalism that is - to dominate the planet emphatically embraces accumulating wealth solely for the purpose of self-indulgence and pretence. Does anyone think the wealthy will willingly surrender their status and privileges?Feb 14 2014: being interested in "getting it" right by "being" right - means one chooses to embrace what be right as 'thier' way of being... this means one gives the value to an individual or a group or even an idea that is evaluated as it ought to be valued. Some want every opinion to be as valid as any other opinion when the truth of the matter is that the right opinion has much more value than the wrong opinion.
Some seek equality by diminishing the value of others where as some seek equality by appreciating the values of each... be on the lookout for words that lead to appreciation and understanding and those that invite to a different adventure... keep in mind that ideas may seek to sneak in disguised and in the company of others rather than stand on their own ... who in their right mind would choose the fake coin when next to it be the genuine one? Which one would you take?
Recognizing behaviors for what they be may help to develop common grounds and support common interests required to flourish . humanity will have taken another step towards actual civilized existence when each seek the better ways to be and shares the stories that help to cultivate such ways.
Frank Barry
Feb 8 2014: Joe West.
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Hello, from the idealist.
What methods will you use to sway me from my well meant keystrokes?
Can anyone explain "Universal Single Payer Health Care"?
I firmly believe that we Americans are paying 150 cents or
more for each dollar's worth of Health Care services.
Insurance is not Health Care services.
Coverage is not Payment in Full for Health Care services.
(Unless of course you are a member of congress, the
administration, or the supreme court.)
I spent years in the business of paying Health Claims.
There is no way in hell that Insurance is a Good Buy.
We Americans pay to our Government far more in Taxes
than we receive back in benefits. And to saddle us all
with Insurance Premiums and IRS penalties, is Insane.
The Litmus Test. -- In the last 100 years in America
Taxed-Payers have paid enough to the IRS for the
US Government to provide all of the following needs.
1. Unconditional Basic Income,
2. Pure Water,
3. Adequate Food,
4. Effective Waste Management,
5. Clothing,
6. Housing, (not real estate)
7. Healthcare, (not health insurance)
8. Utilities.
INSTEAD -- The US Government spent our needs on;
1. Protecting us all with never ending Wars that kill and
maim innocent men, women, and wee babes, including
our sons and daughters,
2. Providing us with Justice to keep Prisons overflowing,
Justice denied to those who cannot pay.
3. Allowing Banking Cartels to dip their beaks and rape
our treasuries causing Depressions and Unemployment
4. Spying and Surveillances of us all as if we were criminals.
Feb 9 2014: Universal, single-payer healthcare.
Healthcare that is like the interstate highway system. Government provides it and all can use it.
Some of it is funded via direct tax (vehicle registration and gasoline tax... or in the case of healthcare, taxes on employers or something akin to the Social Security tax).
Some of it is funded via general revenue (income tax).
You may even have some co-pays to discourage over usage.
Most of the people in the world live under universal payer health care. Of course, that is a bit of an unfair statement since more than 2 billion of the planets 7 billion humans live in India and China and both have universal healthcare. So does much of Europe.
Frank Barry
Feb 9 2014: Darrell, thank you for such a valid explanation.
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With Universal, single-payer healthcare, there could be reciprocity* between nations --
*the relation or policy in commercial dealings between countries by which corresponding advantages or privileges are granted by each country to the citizens of the other.
Perhaps our President and his followers were a bit misinformed about the workings of
insurance vs healthcare.
I want to chastise the Governors of States, and the Insurance Regulators for not being
wise enough to understand that a raise in both State and Federal taxation would be a
better idea than to load another layer of Corporate Profits onto the backs of sick people.
The IRS penalty, for non-purchase of insurance, requires a steady income stream, which
requires continuous employment. This is a fine idea. But where are the jobs?
When the economy takes the next hit, and that is anticipated shortly, this house of cards
will fall apart.
The "Pot" that needs to be filled to pay for healthcare services should be located inside
our US Treasury, and payments regulated by both State and Federal Laws. To allow
any Corporate/Organization with a history as bad as the Insurance Industry has shown
in the last 110 years is folly indeed. We elders of this once great nation know the horror
stories of valid claims being denied by insurers and policies being full of exclusions and
restrictions. The Insurance Industry have their own printing propaganda presses, and
a history of using their insured's medical data to raise premiums to keep profits high.
The proof is coming soon. But not soon enough.Feb 9 2014: Hi Frank
I have no intention of swaying you from your path, in fact I applaud it! Your key strokes are the 9th symphony to my ears.
Feb 9 2014: Joe, A story to thank you
As a Boy Scout in a small community we took camping trips, and were allowed freedom to
explore without restriction. We could and did get hurt from time to time. In today's world,
the Scout Master would never have been permitted such supervisory behavior. But that
was 65 years ago, and we were a different breed. Indestructible, as our hero Fathers were,
who fought in WW2.
Camped below Superstition Mountain, we decided to climb it. 5 or 6 of us climbing up a
vertical face with the first couple of boys carrying the ropes. As we climbed, using finger
and toe holds, the soft face would crumble. Holds were getting fewer to find. Being the
last climber, I soon found little to grasp.
Picture, my situation.
No more finger and toe holds. Standing flat against the face. Looking downward.
The face I stood against was a 40 yard long sky-slope with a projecting lip, and a 90 foot
free-fall to be endured.
I called up to the others, explained my situation, asking them to throw a rope down to me.
It seemed an eternity had passed, but the rope came down and landed on me. I grabbed
it with both hands. But since I had been holding on with stiff fingers, stuck into holes,
my hands were unable to close around the rope. Oops.
I began to slide downwards. Praying for a knot at the end of the rope. Scraping my shirt
and then my flesh as I descended towards the lip. No knot.
Like the Wiley Coyote I slid over the lip and enjoyed the best feeling in the world. Free-fall.
90 feet later. I crushed a small mesquite bush, and landed on a hard pile of rocks.
I moved out from under the deluge of rocks that followed me down, and lay back down.
Boy Scouts are known for "Being Prepared", and this was my Troop's day to shine.
They made a stretcher from cut branches, and carried me to safety.
What if the boy above, holding the rope, had tied a knot in my end?
He may have followed me down. Scary
Feb 10 2014: Good story! I could feel the tension. Funny how these childhood incidents shape our lives.
In todays age the lawsuits would be flying fast and furious
I for one am glad you found a soft mesquite on the way down and can join us here today!
What was the outcome of the day, how did your parents take the news?Feb 12 2014: Government confiscates wealth at gunpoint.
Government sets prices for all medical procedures and enforces them at gunpoint.
Government doles out payments.
Feb 12 2014: Bryan,
You are more than right.
I assume gunpoint is a metaphor to show how we must bow to government
decisions that they make in our behalf.
Seems we have little say about IRS penalties for our lack of purchasing
insurance from those Corporate Insurance Crooks who can't seem to
stop stealing from us.
With today's several hundred Lobbyist's vying to pay bribes to each of
the 535 members of congress, millionaires are created even before being
elected to high office.
A sad day for Americans who seem to forget that the Media is paid to sell
Candidates to voters. Candidates who most all are pre-selected privately
inside closed doors, by Republican and Democrat party leaders.
Obama's just raised $60 to $80 million for November elections. Peglosi,
only $30 million as she testified to on Jan 30th's John Daley TV show.
I could continue, but you get the idea.
I think Gerald Ford was the last good President. Before and After all Crooks.
Feb 12 2014: It's not really a metaphor. Refuse to pay taxes and see what happens. People with guns will eventually come for you if you persist in pushing the point. These are probably not bad people. They are probably quite good people who are doing their best to live up to a genuine sense of duty to their society and fellows, but they are still gun-carrying people who act at behest of government.
All governments, ultimately, rest upon a foundation of violence. All government programs, ultimately, rest upon the use of violence. Don't believe it? Refuse to go along with any rule/law/regulation/whatever that government imposes. Instruments of violence will be used to impose the government's will.
Feb 7 2014: Would like to make one quick point :"If you really want to create equality abolish the law of inheritance. so that every one has to start from scratch "
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Would love to hear your opinions...
Feb 7 2014: It would level the playing field! I see that in two ways.
1 ) If sons and daughters are forced to enter the system with the same odds as everyone else, then the families would make sure that the current social structure is equitable.
2) Money would not be the major driving force of wealth, it would be knowledge. Since there are no laws restricting the flow of knowledge to offspring.
Welcome to the conversation!
Feb 7 2014: Exactly...also social class will also disappear....Feb 7 2014: Confiscating all wealth at death would not make everyone start from scratch.
I wealthy person can provide a better neighborhood, better education, better role models, better supervision, better contacts, better starting place in the job market...
You think Bill Gates' kids didn't have a better start than a poor child born to an unemployed single mother living in an inner city slum full of drugs, crimes, low budget schools.... Bill Gates isn't dead, so his kids haven't inherited anything yet.Feb 8 2014: Rakesh, That is a partial fix.
Another partial fix is to abolish the Corporate and Political Laws of Limited Liability,
creating a level playing field for all citizens.
No more carrots (entitlements for the living wealthy) from Congress.
I am a harsh jury of one. I would put Bill Gates in the Hoosegow and confiscate
his fortune, for lying to, and spying on, his customers. I am one of those customers
who cannot abide sneaky people. I'll bet the moderator axes this opine.Feb 10 2014: Won't work. What is to prevent "gifts" or other forms of property transfer? Legislating to utopia always fails.Feb 5 2014: Yes. Recognize that these are all distractions and shell games designed to just oust one group of oligarchs and replace them with another group of oligarchs. No revolution has ever lasted. The last group of oligarchs is ALWAYS replaced by another group of oligarchs. FIND A NEW WAY.
Feb 5 2014: Hi Bryan, thankyou for joining the conversation.
No empire has ever lasted, how true.
Is balanced anarchy the answer? This coming from a very good Tube video by James Burke.
Feb 5 2014: Having seen anarchy in action at our local Occupy encampment, I believe it can only work in a small, self-selecting group that already agrees about everything. The moment there is the least bit of disagreement, it shuts down and nothing can happen.
"You can't tell me what to do."
"I am not telling you what to do. We are all trying to decide together what we are going to do."
"Well, I will only go along if what we decide to do as a group is exactly what I want to do, because anything else is the majority raping the minority."
"How about we do what you want and what the group wants."
"Well, the only thing I want to do it to not do what he wants to do..."
We spent weeks trying to come up with a list of our top... I mean first... important issues to rally around. FAIL!
No one would agree to any set of issues that didn't have their pet issue as the umber one issue.
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More than two million people are expected to watch from the embankments of the Thames as the seven-mile procession steers through London waters.
Cumbria's own aptly-named participant, The Queen of the Lake, owned by Windermere Lake Cruises, is currently being repainted and refurbished for the spectacular, on Sunday, June 3.
The flotilla will be led by Her Majesty the Queen and other members of the Royal family aboard a barge called The Spirit of Chartwell.
It will sail under 14 bridges, alongside groups of narrow boats, historic vessels including World War Two ships from the Dunkirk beaches and replica Tudor ships.
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Boat building manager Alex Williamson and operations manager Russell Bowden will lead the team south for the patriotic event.
Windermere skipper Ron Walker will captain the boat on the day itself.
The 15-metre tourist boat, built in 1949, will be hoisted out of the water at Ambleside and driven almost 300 miles by lorry before it is launched on the Thames.
It is a reversal of the ship's initial northern voyage, 60 years ago, when she was transported to Windermere from the Thames-side town of Molsey, where she was built.
It is not the first time the Queen of the Lake has been given a Royal mark of approval. In March 2010 it carried the Prince of Wales when he visited the Lake District.
SPACE pirate and alien life forms could soon be seen zooming around the Lake District – thanks to a new million dollar movie.
Old Hutton writer and director Rick McLeod has teamed up with a group of American producers to make a science fiction film based on cult television series Firefly.
The US consortium, one of whom has done sound-tracks for Mr McLeod in the past, originally began filming experimental sequences in county – but then the idea turned into a feature-length film.
Although $1 million is a relatively small budget for a movie, Mr McLeod said he was 'shocked' when the group gave the figure.
"Last year was a good one for us – we're still reeling from that – so when they approached me my first question was 'Are you serious?'
"It's not easy to make films in Cumbria, especially with the UK Film Council gone. When we had Leslie Grantham here, he was unpaid because he loved the script.
"It's great to know that our hard work is starting to pay off."
The film, called Lost Transmission, follows the lonely adventure of Blake, captain of a mining ship, with no-one but his computer to talk to after war breaks out on Earth. But he leaves the planet to find life on other worlds.
Filming is expected to start in early 2012, and will be split between Cumbria and America.
CGI effects are already being worked on by the studio, which created a castle in the middle of Windermere in a previous flick.
Before filming begins in earnest, Mr McLeod is shooting a short promotional video with action sequences in Old Hutton.
And he is looking for '23rd century pirates' to star as extras in a fight scene on Sunday, to be led by a trained fight choreographer.
"We're seeking punks, goths and heavy rockers. Long or short hair, tattoos and piercings are a bonus but not essential. The more outrageous the look the better," said Mr McLeod.
Filming will last for between two and three hours and anyone interested can email email@example.com.
Participants are requested to send a head shot with their email.
Discussions with actors to play the role of Blake are still going on.
Next generation of reactors will be built at Sellafield and Heysham, the Government announced today as it pushes ahead with plans for new nuclear power plants.
In the first major announcement on the future of nuclear in the UK since the Fukushima disaster in Japan, the Government outlined the locations deemed suitable for new power stations by 2025, all of which are adjacent to existing nuclear sites.
The eight sites are: Bradwell, Essex; Hartlepool; Heysham, Lancashire; Hinkley Point, Somerset; Oldbury, South Gloucestershire; Sellafield, Cumbria; Sizewell, Suffolk; and Wylfa, Anglesey.
The plans for new nuclear power plants are part of a series of national policy statements on energy which were published today, following a public consultation.
They will be debated and voted on in Parliament, but ministers are hopeful that, with a pro-nuclear majority in the Commons, they will win the argument.
Nuclear power is one of the issues that divided Conservatives and Liberal Democrats when they entered Government together, with the coalition deal allowing a Lib Dem spokesman to speak out against any new nuclear plants, while Lib Dem MPs could abstain on the issue.
Lib Dem Energy Secretary Chris Huhne has since given his backing to new reactors, insisting they would not be subsidised by the taxpayer - although MPs have warned that reform of the electricity market could favour nuclear power and amount to a hidden subsidy.
The Government is planning the new suite of reactors to maintain electricity supplies and cut greenhouse gas emissions as an old generation of power stations is shut down.
The future of nuclear as a power source for countries around the world was called into question earlier this year after the Japanese earthquake and tsunami rocked the reactors at Fukushima, leaving radioactivity leaking from the plant.
Mr Huhne signalled last month that plans for new reactors in the UK were on track after an initial report on Fukushima from nuclear chief inspector Mike Weightman ruled out the need to curtail the operation of nuclear power stations in the UK in light of the situation in Japan.
The energy policy statements aim to provide a framework for making planning decisions so projects do not face "unnecessary hold-ups".
They set out the need for billions of pounds of investment in new energy sources, including 33 gigawatts of renewable power - the equivalent of thousands of offshore wind turbines - to meet the UK's future needs.
Energy minister Charles Hendry said: "Around a quarter of the UK's generating capacity is due to close by the end of this decade. We need to replace this with secure, low carbon, affordable energy.
"This will require over £100 billion worth of investment in electricity generation alone.
"This means twice as much investment in energy infrastructure in this decade as was achieved in the last decade.
"Industry needs as much certainty as possible to make such big investments.
"These plans set out our energy need to help guide the planning process, so that if acceptable proposals come forward in appropriate places, they will not face unnecessary hold-ups."
He said the coalition Government was determined to make the UK attractive to investors to ensure that the country had secure, affordable, low-carbon energy.
THE Bassenthwaite Ospreys have moved home to live in marshes nearer to Bassenthwaite Lake.
After successfully nesting at their treetop summer home at Dodd Wood since 2008, the pair decided it was time for a change and have been gradually building a new nest since returning from their wintering grounds in West Africa.
Fortunately, the new site is visible from the Dodd Wood viewpoint so visitors can still enjoy watching the birds of prey this season.
Ospreys are normally faithful to successful nest sites, so the move was a bit of a shock for staff at the Lake District Osprey Project (LDOP). This is only the second time staff have seen the ospreys change nest in the project's 11-year history.
Nathan Fox of the RSPB's Lake District Osprey Project, said: 'It has been an interesting and exciting start to the season, with the birds deciding to move. We have been working closely with local landowners and farmers to make sure that the birds are fully protected and therefore have a good chance of raising their chicks."


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The need for better fuel economy is pressuring every carmaker, including luxury brands. Thus, it's not too surprising that Buick is introducing its smallest model since the late, unlamented Skylark departed years ago. The Verano, which is available only as a four-door sedan, slots in below the Regal in Buick's lineup. Much has been made of the fact that the Verano is a sibling to the Chevy Cruze, but in fairness, GM has done a lot more to differentiate these siblings than it has with past models. Exterior styling changes go much further than the nose and taillights, extending to the sheetmetal and the glass area. Inside, the Verano gets exclusive dashboard and door panel designs, higher-grade materials, and wood trim. Leather is available, as are a heated steering wheel, a touch-screen navigation system, and keyless ignition. Although the Buick is 2.9 inches longer than the Cruze overall, it rides on the same 105.7-inch wheelbase, and the two cars have similar interior room and trunk space. Buick talks much about the Verano's extensive sound deadening, but the biggest differentiation is under the hood. The Verano's 2.4-liter engine is significantly larger than the Cruze's 1.4-liter and 1.8-liter units, and the Buick's 180 hp is substantially more than the 138 hp cranked out by both Chevy engines. The flip side is that the Buick's 22/31 mpg ratings (preliminary estimates) are significantly lower than the Cruze's. Also unlike the Cruze, the Verano offers an automatic transmission only. A manual may be added when the turbocharged four-cylinder arrives later in 2012.
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Report by Lou Stoppard on 28 June 2013.
It was freedom that Jones was looking to capture, hence the diversity of the items on show - this collection was built for men who never stay in one place or mindset for too long, the Dean Moriartys of this world. There's a Moriarty vibe to luxury menswear houses in general at the moment - they don't quite seem to know if they're coming or going or what the future holds
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LV SS14 finale! V red Harrington jacket with Varsity badges - exit 8, worn by Jorrit #pfw http://t.co/Hhkef8hpam
Full-on American roadtrip at @louisvuitton: patchwork shirts, varsity Harringtons, neckerchiefs & a whole host of reptilian skins #pfw
Spotted. Monsieur David Beckham on the front row here at #LVLive show. #PFW http://t.co/IB0ip1jh2w
Wildflowers made out of feathers at Louis Vuitton men's. Lovely http://t.co/yF5oBU99VE
Another year, another impressive location for Louis Vuitton @louisvuitton #lvlive #pfw http://t.co/brkiuDE9Wa
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For all these years we've been told it's "Osama," like he's part Irish. Now I've been seeing Fox News (and other news sources I'm sure) using "Usama." I've had a friend on Facebook ask me what the proper spelling is. Apparently it's both, so I devised a way to help people figure out which version should be used.
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SEATTLE, March 5, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Cell Therapeutics, Inc. (CTI) (NASDAQ and MTA: CTIC) announced today that management will present at the ROTH Capital Partners 26th Annual Conference on Tuesday, March 11 at 11:30 a.m. PST/2:30 p.m. EST/7:30 p.m. CET in Dana Point, CA.
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*The Schingoethe Museum and Art Gallery will open later in 2015.*
Aurora University is pleased to announce that the Schingoethe Museum and Art Gallery will be relocated to the new Welcome Center, a 21,000-square-foot building that will serve vital purposes, in 2015. One wing of the Welcome Center will house the Schingoethe Museum with collections and exhibits oriented around a large central art gallery.
Watch the building take shape on our live video feed of the construction!
For more information, please call 630-844-7844, email firstname.lastname@example.com or download the museum brochure.
The museum is closed, but exhibits and programs continue!
Schingoethe and Field Museum Event with Bunky Echo-Hawk
The Schingoethe Center collaborated with The Field Museum for a live painting event with Bunky Echo-Hawk on September 28, 2013. The event corresponded with the opening of The Field Museum exhibit Bunky Echo-Hawk: Modern Warrior.
Schingoethe at NIU
Throughout the construction process you can still see some of our collection at Northern Illinois University's new Anthropology Museum where our exhibit Children of Native America will be on display through July 2014. For further information on the new NIU Anthropology Museum and the Schingoethe exhibit, click here.
Documenting The Museum's Move: All In A Day's Work
Left to right: Meg Bero, Executive Director; Laura Russman,
Kayle Rieger, Amber Foster (not pictured) Museum Studies
Packing the collection of more than 5,500 artifacts took care and ingenuity. Due to the odd sizes, shapes, and materials, many custom boxes with appropriate internal support were needed. These will protect the pieces while in offsite storage for the year and many will continue to hold the artifacts when they return to us. Packing the collections required a Murphy's Law approach—always preparing for the worst possible scenario. We invite you to view the process by clicking here.
Our award-winning exhibits include:
- "Unraveling Revelations: Decoding the Prophetic Charts," curated by students in the MST2200 Museum Exhibitions course, Award of Excellence in Exhibitions from Illinois Association of Museums (2012)
- "M.A.I.Z.E. (Museum Artifact Inquiry ZonE) educational project," developed by Meg Bero and Randy and Debbie Steinheimer, Awards of Superior Achievement from Illinois Association of Museums and Illinois State Historical Society (2002, 2003)
- "Museum of the Mysteries," Curator: Meg Bero, Awards of Superior Achievement from Illinois Association of Museums and Illinois State Historical Society (2002, 2003)
- "Native Peoples of Illinois:1673-1835," Curators: Dr. Donna Bachman, Mary C. Kennedy, Meg Bero, Award of Superior Achievement from Illinois State Historical Society (2001)
- Nizhnoni Gallery and "The World of the Kachina," Curator: Meg Bero, Award of Excellence from Illinois Association of Museums (2003)
What is being said about the Schingoethe Museum:
"I really enjoyed visiting the Schingoethe Museum. I learned a lot and liked knowing it is a resource as a teacher." Aurora University Student
"I thought I knew a lot about Native Americans but visiting the museum enhanced my learning. It was especially helpful to see the maps and talk about culture and environment." Aurora University Student
"Incorporating different cultural educational traditions and educating students on different cultural religious traditions are only of benefit to the future student's education and acceptance of diversity." Aurora University Student
"An institution such as Aurora University (especially given its size) is extremely fortunate to have a museum and center such as the Schingoethe. The exhibits and lectures have enriched the content of my courses and bolstered the overall quality of my instruction." Aurora University Professor
"The presentation in the Schingoethe Center was engaging, drew the students in, presented them with much information that was new to them and drew them to the present issues of education and life in general for today's Native American. As we left the session I heard our students engaging in discussions about what the had learned, how they had never thought about things in quite that way. It was a wonderful experience for all of us." Aurora University Professor
"This museum is one of Aurora's hidden 'gems.' Thank you!" Teacher, Smith School