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- Faisal Habib
- Dhaka 1209
- Bangladesh
struggling, free lance
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What if, in a fine morning, you learn, "There's nothing called God"!
Gods exist from 'god knows how many millenniums'. And they come to mankind as virtual beings time to time: promising heaven and hell and with sets of instructions to be followed - differing according to the religions they propose. We all, except for a few, are so dependent on them for our everyday life - trying to find a purpose of our existence, some meaning of what we call life. History is full of wars to establish 'the true god'. And, as of today, there's no sign that this will come to an end any time soon. So, we are born with a specific religion as our birth right and we fight till death trying to do --- what....
What if, in a fine morning, you come to learn that there is actually no entity such as 'god'. That, the concept is no more necessary to live a nice life on this earth...
What might be the first thing in your mind...
Aug 6 2012: I told you so! I told you so! I... Told... You... So!
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I can't believe no one said that yet.Aug 3 2012: Good question, Faisal. First for the funny answer. "No god? What's for breakfast?" Now for the explanation to show that the funny answer is also the serious answer. Just because there would be no god(s) would not negate the fact that we should live a good, productive life (take productive in whatever way you want, I consider productive more in the idea of work or working toward something). The inexistence of god would also not change morality. Even though it will exist universally, as it already does, the interpretation of what is moral will still relatively shift not only from culture to culture, but person to person. The biggest difference would be that if there was no god(s), people would have to own up to the wrong that they do (war, subjugation of set demographics, slavery, etc) rather than blaming either divine or infernal inspiration.
Aug 8 2012: i'll make a comment on only one point: a non-existence may / will make people responsible for their own actions to themselves, a 'divinity' wont allow escape from reality and claim clear conscience.
Aug 9 2012: The first part is false. You are not just responsible to yourself, but also to the society you live in.
The second part is also false. Lots of imagined divinities allowed, and even indulged in, all kinds of things.
That a particular divinity would not allow escape from reality and claim clean conscience does not make divinities any more real.
Aug 18 2012: " You are not just responsible to yourself, but also to the society you live in."
Absolutely - a collective participation seems far more 'divine' (a better use for this word) than any other imagined "divine being" (the distorted use of this word)Aug 13 2012: Jonathan :
Your logic is very faulty , it's not an wonder you seem to be an atheist !!!!
Why is your logic so ? because :
- you can't know if the existence of God change or not the morality ; maybe because of the existence of God we have now the morality we have , to say that "The inexistence of god would also not change morality" implies you know that the existence of God has no influence upon our morals , this is obviously not true . Even though you use the atheistic meaning of the word 'god' it's wrong to say that the existence of god had/has no influence upon our morals .
- our morals depend on cultures , that's right but it isn't an argument as you seem to want to be for your idea that "The inexistence of god would also not change morality" because gods are also part of the cultures .Aug 15 2012: Dear Jonathan,
I totally agree that the inexistence of god would not change morality. We have proof, simply observing our world, that the belief in god has not encouraged or increased moral behavior. In fact, some behaviors under the guise of religion/god have caused a great deal of harm in our world.
I also agree with you that the biggest difference may be that people might become more accountable and responsible for their behaviors, rather than blaming it on a god, and/or depending on a god to bail them out (confession) of immoral, inappropriate behaviors.
Eduard (E G)
Jonathan's logic is not faulty. You simply do not agree....try saying it that way. We've had plenty of years...centuries.... to witness the fact that a belief in a god DOES NOT necessarily change morals, and many times encourages behaviors that are abusive and violate the rights of others.
Aug 15 2012: Colleen :
Jonathan logic is faulty and yours is so too :
- if the belief in God encourages amoral behaviors (that's according to you) then wouldn't the inexistence of God make disappear this bad influence on people ? Then it changes the morality of the people .
Aug 15 2012: Eduard,
Your comments are based on your thoughts, feelings, ideas, beliefs and opinions. My comments are based on my thoughts, feelings, ideas, beliefs and opinions. Neither are "faulty". We simply have different thoughts, feelings, ideas, beliefs and opinions about this topic. I will not go around with you in circles, as I have told you before.Aug 16 2012: Yes , and your thoughts don't seem to be correct to me . It is not going in circles if you try to defend them .Aug 18 2012: Thanks for clearing my typos...it was meant as religion. :-)
Also you put well the perspective regarding beggars.
Much love :-)Aug 2 2012: Wishful thinking. That is the thinking that there is no God, and that humans will not be accountable for their actions here on earth.
That morning of discovery that there is no God, will never come.
Aug 2 2012: I absolutly disagree with that statment. If there is an afterlife, who cares what your actions are here on Earth. If you can atone for your sins at the last minute and get into the good part of the afterlife vs where you really deserve to be then your actions here on earth become irrelevant.
If there is no afterlife and you are responsible for the world and how it will be left to your children (therefore assuming there will be no rapture where the chosen are taken and the rest of us are left), then perhaps you will be a little more interested in the economy, society and your fellow man and the bloody environmentAug 3 2012: Wishful thinking really? A mass murderer after his last meal of fried chicken and a coke can go down on his knees and repent and accept Jesus and hey presto bob's your uncle he's in heaven when he dies. Whereas the moral atheist or anyone of any other religion gets burned in a fiery hell for eternity for not bending their knee.
Wishful thinking is the idea of heaven, eternal judgement, retribution. Only because it consoles people that in heaven they may meet their child who died in a car crash etc etc. This is why heaven was created in human minds, to account for everything wrong with this world, it would all be corrected in the next. The eternal fear of death some people have.
Wishful thinking would be that Hitler is being burned alive right now, but he's not he's decomposed and you may have breathed in an atom which belonged to him.
And I may concede that it is wishful thinking that there is no god to an extent. I certainly don't hope there is someone so cruel and capricious and mean and evil and incompetent and lazy and indifferent towards their creations.
Anyway, I'd rather go to hell, I imagine it being a library full of books, with a big hearth and all the great thinkers of our time will be sitting their having a free open discussion on skepticism. That would be an eternity I wouldn't mind.Aug 3 2012: Feyisayo,
With all due respect, I do not believe in a god at this time, and I am very accountable and responsible for ALL my actions and how I live the life experience. I do not need the idea of a higher power watching over me to live with integrity. Is it God-like to believe that YOU have the "right" answer for all of us?
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Aug 3 2012: Faisal,
Although I do not believe in a god at this time, I do not label myself because I feel that to be limiting. I am always open to possibilities. I TOTALLY agree..."none can have right answers for all", which is why I like to travel the life experience open minded/open hearted:>)
I would NEVER presume to "correct" you for being "wrong". That feels like taking the role of a righteous god, which I do not believe in!
Aug 3 2012: you don't want to label yourself, which may limit you - no arguments. temporary labeling might be required sometimes, else u may find yourself alone is your own circle (though that may not make much difference for you). i, myself, sometimes feel like to be alone in some cases. so, the labeling matter need not be discussed anymore. you r right on your own right.
god, existent or not, is not required to differentiate between correct and wrong. humans, on their own, can do that always. but, human nature is such that those two words play major roles among interactions. some people will always act to keep those words balanced in a society (even if we can picture an atheist world some day in future).Aug 3 2012: To Feyisayo, u seem to be a fortune teller, predicting tomorrow, today!
Gordon answered you correctly.
and to be honest with Stewart, all my life, thinking about god or something like that, i can only find myself at the crossroads of hells. cause every religion asserts that the followers of the othe religions will go to hell. so, i dont mind to go to hell. though, i'll still prey to 'god' that the hell contains a library at least. and about meeting the great thinkers, i'll surely follow the way to the worst of all hells, cause that's the place i'll probably find most of them.
miss colleen, i'm an atheist too:, but never an accountant at all and responsible only when i think that i should be responsible for something -- i may have projected myself as someone little bit too careless, never mind pls. your last question can be posed to not only feyisayo, but to almost all believers alive on this beautiful planet we call earth - who surely will turn towards their own god to find an answer about the proper definition of 'right' and 'wrong' applicable for atheists and the like.
thanks to all.
Aug 3 2012: Faisal,
My previous comment was in response to your previous comment (which you deleted?), which started..."I'm an atheist too". As I stated above, I do not label myself because I believe labels to be limiting.
We have the ability as evolving humans to know in our hearts what is "right" and what is "wrong" for each of us as individuals. We also have the ability to understand what adversly impacts others. We all have the ability to take in information and make choices for ourselves. Nobody has the right to decide what we "should" or "should not" believe. I get tired of some folks telling me that if I do not believe as they do I will go to hell. That is simply arrogant.
Aug 3 2012: sorry ma'am, the deletion was accidental, purely. however, the impact is not at all serious. i had to begin the answer again, cause i started wrongly.
at present i label myself to be an atheist, limiting though, but required. and i'm not sure that i'd like to want to delete the label someday....
ma'am, honestly, i'm on my way to a hell already. you'll find the reason if u kindly review the debate. its been discussed already. its not me alone, stewart gault is also with me.
arrogance is an expression of a certain mental state. my friends from university called my arrogant often. but i'm not gonna go with those people that you find arrogant around u. the word 'believe' alone makes some people around you arrogant because of its differing perceptions among people.Aug 3 2012: No problem about the deletion Faisal.....I thought it was probably accidental because you wrote the same thing in your next comment:>)
You can, of course, use whatever label you choose for yourself. The only label I accept is "human". I am definitely in human form at the moment, and I accept that fact:>)
Regarding your comment...."you don't want to label yourself, which may limit you - no arguments. temporary labeling might be required sometimes, else u may find yourself alone......"
I don't mind being alone. Wherever I go, there I am, so it is best to be content with myself.....yes?
I think/feel that to be one of the challenges with religious fundamentalists/extremists. They don't like to be alone, so they try to pull us into their belief system? When I observe someone trying to convince me that s/he is "right" about what s/he believes, it appears to me that they are insecure in their own beliefs. They may become so dependant on those beliefs that they cannot imagine a life without them? If s/he wakes up one morning and discovers there is no god, everything they have invested in is changed. That must be frightening, do you think so?
I think/feel that if there IS a god, that will be interesting to find out. If there is no god, nothing is lost because my life does not revolve around god/no god.
I have read all of the debate Faisal, and if you are going to hell, I guess I'm going with you as well! LOL:>)
Aug 3 2012: how about a broader label ma'am: 'animal'!
i am a loner too, most of the time -- though i really enjoyed my uni life with groups of students all the time.
yes, the believers r really insecure in their own beliefs. an example is: just think how many sects each religion has!
ma'am, that morning will be 'hell breaking loose on earth', even atheists wont be able to avoid the fall.
ok. i respect your interest of finding a 'god' remaining so elusive since creation of life till today....
well ma'am, that makes us three...LOLAug 3 2012: Yes Faisal, I agree that we are part of the animal kingdom. You REALLY want me to have a label huh? LOL
Nice to have balance...sometimes alone....sometimes with people.....I like balance:>)
Thanks for respecting my ideas Faisal. I am not seeking a god....just open to the possibility. I respect your ideas as well:>)
Aug 4 2012: :-)Aug 4 2012: Feyisayo,
Your thinking has his blessings.
It is so good to know you.
edward long
Aug 1 2012: First, I would feel panic that my tether to reality had broken at the instant someone managed to prove a negative and thereby debased the laws of logic. Then I would come to my senses and realize the Universe is designed, controlled, and purposeful. Let God be true and every Man a liar.
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Faisal Habib
Aug 1 2012: Well, if you see god that way - creating liars to keep praising him all the time...
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Debra Smith
Aug 1 2012: Not quite fair, Faisal.
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Aug 2 2012: Wel, pls be kind enough to define 'fair' in context of my posting. thanks
edward long
Aug 1 2012: The idea behind the phrase is not that every Man is a liar, but that if someone must speak untruth it will be man, never God. Did you post the question only to mock those who disagree with you and to share thumbs-up with those who agree? That is not the spirit of TED conversations, Mr. Habib. We should seek truth together, sir. Thank you!
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Aug 2 2012: Sir, it was not my intention to mock anyone or anything, it's a debate only, intended to seek the 'truth' together; same as your intention. but, if, the subject feels to anyone annoying or attacking personal beliefs -- it's a personal matter, and i don't disrespect anything personal to anyone.
thanks to you sir.Aug 3 2012: Faisal,
You created an interesting topic, I have read all the comments as they were growing, and with all due respect, it seems to be your use of the word "liars" that might have taken the topic off track. That probably was not the best term to use:>(
You actually DID honestly answer the topic question with your statement....
"First, I would feel panic that my tether to reality had broken......."
Then you wrote..."Let God be true and every Man a liar".
It is obvious that we all have different thoughts, feelings, ideas, opinions and beliefs regarding this topic. It is interesting how many would like to criticize others, rather than actually answer the question....how would this news impact YOU. I've noticed this happening whenever god comes into the question, here on TED, and that is unfortunate.Aug 2 2012: Faisal, this shows how little you have been told about, or know about God.
What if, in a fine morning, you learn, and it is proven to you, that God exists, would that turn your world upside down?
However, don't worry one second. Neither fine mornings will and can exist. No one will ever be able to prove to you (and God will not) anything spiritual. Nothing whatsoever.
If He would, why is there a Bible? or Koran? etc.
Aug 2 2012: True, i know little about god. but i avoid the idea of being 'told and learn' without judging the source first.
until this morning, god exists; may be not for me but most of the people of the world. and the next morning with enough evidences of an existence i'd surly try to find a way out to converse with him/her personally: what took so long, so many dead bodies around the world and all other to find this perfect morning!
Sorry, u seem to be a fortune teller to me (no pun intended): predicting the next morning today! and, not everything require hard evidences, so waiting for that wont be a good use of our very short span of life time.
I'll ask u back your question: why a bible or a koran or a gita is required anyway? a complete set of instructions would be sufficient from the beginning, wouldn't it?
edward long
Aug 2 2012: You show contempt for my beliefs and you ridicule God by your statement, ". . . creating liars to keep praising him all the time" yet you say you do not disrespect anything personal to anyone? You may not have intended to mock anyone, but contempt and ridicule are elements of mocking. Perhaps you could reword your comment to remove those elements and better state your opinion. Thank you, sir.
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Aug 2 2012: Sir, by that comment, i just presented what can be inferred from your post - it's not any kind of disrespect shown, no mocking or ridiculing...
Debra Smith
Aug 2 2012: HAPPILY,Faisal,
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It starts with respect for another human being, and their beliefs are an intregal part of that and an understanding that this is a place for an extended hand, compassion and understanding. Without a personal comitment to such ideals this could dissove into a place no one wants to be.
When some of my children went to live and work in Saudi Arabia for a time, they lived with respect for the people there. No one could have convinced my daughter for example. ( who worked at the embassy and stayed with her eldest brother and his wife) to belive that she was inferior to some of the poorly educated and or bigoted men she met there but she wore an abya that she had no belief in and conformed to customs beause it was polite. I did not go because if some mullah had tried to hit me with a stick for accidently exposing my ankle, my kids knew that I might have hit that man- who i consider a coward= back.and then, my boys would have felt compelled to live out their values and we might all have ended up in Chop Chop square for there you do not get to simply express your own opinion even if you are certain you are righter. That won;t happen here and that is partially or foudationally because we all believe in being reasonable and kind to one another. If you go, you live by their rules. We are guests after all.
Aug 2 2012: ok. you explained your point of being fair -- but how does it connect my posting! a personal commitment like believing in a 'god' does not compare with explaining fairness. fairness can be established without the need of a 'god'. its a human trait, evolving with civilization - lots of people r unfair throughout their lives and still pray to god for forgiveness: it may make you fell bad, but, that's hypocrisy. and pls don't take it personally, one should blame god for inclusion of that element in mankind cause it was he/her decision. if it is god who created human, then it's his/her responsibility to make sure i don't get any chance to cheat you by any means.
when you live in another country / culture, you must show respect to their ways of living, there's no argument about that at all. but it doesn't mean that the country / culture you r living in is practicing human rights the right way (i don't intend to point to any specific country / culture by that remark).
in africa, u still may find cannibals enjoying their lives, their way -- it doesn't make any sense at all, or does it!Aug 2 2012: Faisal,
--"I'll ask u back your question: why a bible or a koran or a gita is required anyway? a complete set of instructions would be sufficient from the beginning, wouldn't it?"--
Would the 10 Commandments be enough of a set?? :)
Why a Bible..? We need more than our own thoughts and emotions to determine who and what God is. We cannot construct Truth. That's why there is Revelation from the Source of life.
We were not created with our smart mind just to follow strict instructions, to follow a thin line like a puppet.
God created humans with a free will, so it is our choice to focus on, and like, either hell or heaven.
All Revelation is encouraging us to do the right and the loving things, so these become part of our character. We were created so we would end-up in heaven so God can make us very, very happy to eternity. BUT only if we want to.
For heaven, God needs two things to take place within us. Freedom and return.
Without freedom, love is impossible, so no one is forced to go to either hell or heaven. The choice is ours, totally. Sometimes we have to force ourselves, in freedom!! to love God.
Also, love needs to be returned (just like electricity) in order to work. If you loved someone who does not love you back, what good would your love do?? So God is asking us to return His love for us. Please!?!
To maintain our freedom and keep us human, nothing spiritual can ever be physically proven because that would take our freedom away.
This is another large story but 2000 years ago this human freedom was compromised by our evil side, and God came down to earth Himself to repair our human freedom, so we had the freedom of choice again.
Questions are encouraged because we cannot love and obey what we do not know or understand. Afteral we are humans.
Aug 2 2012: we don't construct truth, we can only find them.
what if i tell you that god makes us greedy with promise of heaven!? (pls don't take it personally). probably that greed, taught by the old, makes us greedy in this world too...for money, power etc.
freedom is a practice, human in nature, and not needed to be learned from god. all animals also roam free in their own territories, don't they?
questions will always be there, cause we still don't totally understand even our own earth. that doesn't mean we don't love earth or living in it.
why should someone 'obey' some one else when he/she have free will, as long as that free will doesn't cause harm to others! Here, we must agree, we are all humans.Aug 2 2012: --"what if i tell you that god makes us greedy with promise of heaven!? "--
You can tell me anything.. but God does not make any human being anything. He just gives us the tools to be human. All we are is what WE choose to be. Otherwise He could send us to heaven or hell directly from birth.
--"freedom isb a practice, human in nature, and not needed to be learned from god. all animals also roam free in their own territories, don't they?"--
No they don't. All they have is instinct. They cannot love truth for truth's sake or love doing good for the sake of just doing good. (or love their enemies).
Got to go, sorry
Added, we had visitors.
--"why should someone 'obey' some one else when he/she have free will, as long as that free will doesn't cause harm to others!"--
To obey someone to do the right, or loving thing, means we can do good things with an unselfish motive and learn to love a life like that. (that is basically the whole process of raising children).
Even if we do not physically harm others we may still harm ourselves. We are not going to heaven just because we never hurt anyone. We may not hurt someone because we're afraid to loose our job, our income, our prestige etc. If it is not based on a love for others, it is a selfish motive. And selfish people go to hell because they can only be 'happy' there.
If you're interested, this is our concept of Life
Aug 4 2012: >> You can tell me anything.. but God does not make any human being anything.
he/she put 'greed' in people, knowing that the 'design' of human being will make them vulnerable to the element in most of the cases - evident in human interactions. he/she makes only above average humans able to conquer 'greed'...
>> all animals also roam free in their own territories, don't they?"--
No they don't. All they have is instinct.
we evolved from animals and still didn't lose the 'instinct', instead, we added some more to it -- in total we developed what we call 'free will'. by roaming free, i didn't mean that animal manifest free will, but they do roam 'free' in their own territory.
for the visitor: raising children should make them able to decide on their own, with the best hope that they will use the learning process in a positive manner. there's no need to teach them to 'obey' without reasoning, that's slavery.
god will decide about heaven or hell, based upon one's whole life. if he/she sees some selfish motive actually paved way for a greater good, that selfish guy deserves heaven too...
thanks for the invitation, but no thanks.Aug 5 2012: You call yourself an atheist and then you write this??
--"he/she put 'greed' in people, knowing that the 'design' of human being will make them vulnerable to the element in most of the cases - evident in human interactions. he/she makes only above average humans able to conquer 'greed'... "--
--"god will decide about.."--
It is clear you do not know what atheists believe, or what humans can and cannot do (like add to our "instinct".. :) I find it amazing what you do believe, and what you decide not to believe.
--"thanks for the invitation, but no thanks."--
May I suggest you look for some philosophical books to read? Who knows, it may help.
Have a great weekendAug 2 2012: I suggest you can prove negatives about as much as you can prove positive statements.
Few statements whether positive or negative can be proven absolutely.
edward long
Aug 2 2012: I hear you, Obey. But doesn't proving that something does not exist require knowing EVERYTHING that does exist? Omniscience is not an attribute of mere mortals. As enticing as it is, proving something exists is an argument for another conversation. For now, just remove your shoe and kick a cement block with your bare foot. The excruciating pain and resulting medical bills prove the block exists! Kicking empty space does not prove cement blocks do not exist. Thank you!
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Aug 2 2012: Hi Edward. I suggest it depends on the subject of the claim. Also on how you frame the claim.
Most gods these days are invisible and immaterial. So can be neither proven or disproved.
Same issues for ghosts, demons, fairies, angels and any other form of immaterial or elusive thing humans have dreamed up.
But as the subject changes to something that can be more easily tested you can make prove or disprove negatives.
I can not claim for sure that there are no Tasmanian tigers. There might be a few living in the bush.
I'm more confident there are no T Rex's alive today on Earth. I could frame this to be more certain, because I can not see all of Earth. There are no T-Rexs in Central Sydney.
Positives and negatives for mundane claims can be reasonably proven or disproved:
I am not dead.
If I kick the tire my foot will not go through it. It will not be pain free experience. (your example)
I am not a US citizen.
I do not have 6 arms.
I will not float off into space if I let go of the chair
There is no dog in my living room.
All rely on our senses and interpretation, so are not absolute, but some can be demonstrated practically.
In regards to framing making a claim more testable.
I could probably claim there is no compelling physical evidence commonly available for that clearly demonstrates the existence of supernatural god X.
I can not say prayer does not work because I don't know everything.
I could probably claim prayer is no more effective than not praying for improved health outcomes after surgery in scientific studies.
So depending on the claim you can prove a negative.
Faisal, sorry for the sidetrack.Aug 2 2012: To Obey: i posted a debate - not meaning i want / can prove anything....but if you can find something to prove in the whole debate, i'll give you the credit without any reservation... thanks.
To Mr. Long: with reference to my comments to mr. obey, i'm not poised to prove anything, i don't feel that's required for me to do it this way. True, omniscience can't be an attribute of a mere mortal; cause science, in its every branch, has progressed so much that only specialists can tell 'something' about a specific subject.
and sir, science has progressed so much that with some shoes you wont even feel that you really hit a concrete block very hard knowing you have really hit a concrete block -- what's the need for removing the shoe anyway! science gives us edges, to concur nature, to live with it in harmony and to go forward... in time and in conceptions and in....
would you accept my thanks, sir!
Aug 2 2012: I accept your thanks and respond with an equally genuine "You're welcome!" The block kicking experiment does not permit any form of high tech block-kicking shoes, barefoot only! I see you are a loyal supporter of science and an Atheist. As such I would like to know your personal answer to the question you have posted. Thank you sir!Aug 1 2012: I will hope to see a decline in bloodshed in the name of God.
Aug 1 2012: I agree, totally.
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Lejan .
Aug 2 2012: And the crusade?
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Same church, same bible, same commandments than today, yet it didn't stop the bloodshed then!
Religion has always seeked the nearness of political and financial power and still does. At times it even was one and the same and even today religions are quite influential on political processes.
Irelands 'Troubles' was a 'bloody' example how religion and politics were still interwoven in modern times and many people lost their lives in the name of 'religion'.Aug 3 2012: Politicians+ Religious leaders = Deadliest combination
Discussion may happen who influences whom.........Jan-Brand above already mentioned that in post above.....
In pre renaissance time even in Europe not only politics but every thing was under strong iron fist of religion.......so the wars there were definitely caused by the same authority.Aug 4 2012: Don, I do not intend to seem rude or insult you but you need to read into history a bit more. Yes I agree that it is people in government positions who create most wars, but religion has for all of human history been used to manipulate people. Here is a few examples.
* The crusades were started when Alexis 1 of the Byzantine Empire feared that his empire would be conquered by the Arabs. So he called on his ally Pope Urban II. The Pope then used the fact that Jerusalem was under the rule of the muslim "infidels" to convince the monarchs and warlords of christian europe to invade the Arabian Empire and try to retake the "holy land". The monarchs and warlords used the same message to inspire soldiers to enlist and to get peasants to be compliant even though they were being oppressed.
*More recently the KKK and many racist people in America baselessly used religion to justify their belief that they were more advanced and all around better than African Americans, the same tactic that was used by Adolf Hitler to justify the torture and massacre of millions of innocent civilians.
In all of these instances religion (namely Christianity) was used as an excuse for terrible and evil actions. So yes religion is not the reason wars start, but without religion some in fact most bloodshed would not be tolerated and would have been brought to a halt faster than it actually was. That is what I think Salim meant by his comment.Aug 4 2012: I agree that we decide whether or not to use religion to organize good and evil actions I was not branding religion as evil. I was just bringing up the point that religion has been used to justify universally evil acts throughout history.
Now with that being said, you made the point that historians often have views on certain times in history that vary. While this is true, the same argument can be made about religion which you use in your argument. There are dozens of different faiths and within each religion there are different sects. Christianity is a perfect example, the interpretation of The Holy Bible from a Catholic point of view and an Unitarian point of view are vastly different. So in my opinion the "stories" ,as you put it, of historians should have as much weight in an argument as the religious writings of any faith, especially "stories" that are considered by most historians and archeologists to be fact.
I also disagree with your statement that history does not "give us any instruction on how to solve todays problems." Take the marriage inequality in the USA as an example. Now you seem like a deeply religious person so you may disagree with me, but I think that marriage inequality is a great injustice and when I see the hate that radiates from people who are against marriage equality I can't help but be reminded of the hate that radiated from the racist Americans who opposed racial equality. So my arguement is that we can draw from history in instances like this to realize that those who are against marriage equality now, will probably be on the wrong side of history and will later be thought of as one of the things that the USA has to be deeply ashamed of, much like we are ashamed of the racist actions and demonstrations that took place in the mid-20th century.
Finally, while I do have the deepest respect for my elders, I must ask that you show the same respect for me. Also, honoring your elders does not mean accepting everything they say as true.
gale kooser
Aug 18 2012: Going to add my small 2 cents.
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When something goes wrong in my life-I look in the mirror & point my finger at me. Same goes when things go right. Do I believe something(s) great created the whole universe & beyond? Yes! But no idea what or whom.
My knowledge only goes so far, but I do try to use what I have with wisdom (it works once in awhile).
Is there more after I kick the old bucket? My belief says I go to a higher plain- I hope so.
I was born into the Methodist faith but after many years of searching became Buddhist.
There are times when I want to tear up my human card & go live with the other animals in the woods because of what humans do to others in the name of religion.
I will not live to see the many great changes that are coming but can only hope more compassion is on the world plate.
Going to add the word "greed" here along with beggers.
Aug 18 2012: sir, thank you for the addition: greed with beggars. i hope someone else add some more to those two, there should be some more to add.
a mirror in your mind will always get you the right picture on the spot. you don't have to worry about looking back and waste time.
I don't find any necessity of an almighty for the creation we are in. as you turned to Buddhist from Methodist, and you still have the feeling of tearing up the human card, impossible anyway, it's better to go back to the necessity of religions in human progression. i hope i could pose my point correctly.
we have a common point, we both feel that we have limited knowledge. wisdom is quality that only above average human can develop. because, u r wise only when other say/find you to act wisely.
about living to see changes, i sometime wish that i was born after at least 100 yrs from now. life is so short and usually great changes take so long a time to flourish, so a birth after 100 yrs from now would certainly allowed me to read about those changes in history books and think forward. i wish to imagine, what changes will be found in history books 1000 yrs from now, but, i am an average human only with limited knowledge - stark reality.
more compassion -- we can certainly hope, because, hopes give people will to fight to continue to live. but human nature, as we see, do have the power to destroy all hopes. So, time will tell the rest... we r playing our roles as we see fit for us, time will decide along with human collective intelligence, who'll succeed and who'll fail...
i hope u didn't throw those 2 cents to water, but if u find it to be so, i am truly sorry.
Aug 18 2012: Putting my 2 cents in means: I am adding my opinion(s), for what ever they are worth.
Being Buddhist, I have learned to show & feel more compassion for all living things. I have always felt compassion for wildlife, now I am "trying " to do same for humans. It can be hard at times, I will admit, mainly due in part as to the way humans not only treat each other, but the total disregard for other living things.
But back to my 2 cents: If I threw them in water, it would make ripples, which would spread from shore to shore. And maybe, just maybe, make a difference.
By the way: I am a female.
Aug 18 2012: those 2 cents are not worthless by any means, at least not to me.
doing something for an animal is somewhat easy, but doing something for a human is very difficult most of the times, because of 'human nature'. (that includes "mainly due in part as to the way humans not only treat each other, but the total disregard for other living things" along with others.)
well, ma'am, that ripple reached me, u rest assured.
I am a male, remarked in response to your last comment, cause, i just considered u to be a 'person' in general.Aug 19 2012: Dear Gale and Faisal,
Your opinions are both worth a LOT, and I believe the ripples you create do indeed make a difference in our world:>)
I agree that it is more enjoyable to love who and what appeares to be lovable, and it may be a challenge sometimes to love those who appear to NOT be lovable. How do we encourage and teach to show compassion to "all living things", if we do not walk our talk?
I find it helpful to seperate the person from the behavior. My mom always taught me to love the person, hate the behavior. Underneath behaviors that may not be acceptable or useful in our world, there is a person who is very much like us. A person who maybe would like to love and be loved and doesn't know how. A person who experiences many of the same thoughts, feelings and emotions as we do. A person with whom we share this earth. If we do not reach out to that person, how is s/he ever going to know the difference between behaviors that are not acceptable or useful to our global society, and those that are?
One reason I do not believe our world would be in chaos if we discovered there is no god, is I think/feel it may cause people to recognize each other, rather than depend on their very own god and religious dogma for guidence and protection.
Too many times, in our world, chaos and destruction has been done in the name of a god. Too many times, we (humans) seperate ourselves in the name of a god. I find it continually interesting that religious enthusiasts/extremists/fundamentalists say we are all one, and their god is loving, just before they kill people and destroy our earth in the name of their god.
As Shane insightfully said in another comment....how can we look forward to a heavenly experience in the next event, if we cannot create that here and now?Aug 3 2012: Good morning Don Wesley. Yes you are right and there is more to it. Thank you for not being silent and getting your message out in the appropriate forum for discussion as it will resonate but as you said sometimes the message gets lost in the echoes. I too am deeply inspired by all the sources that Einstein quoted and I remember his other quote. A genius is someone with a very narrow focus. It is in the application of the knowledge we already have that we will find the answers for what ails us. Finding the appropriate forum and vocabulary is really tiring but with appropriate energy, persistence and metaphors we will find the answers in the community voice. You are a star. You are a guiding light and don't you forget it.
Aug 3 2012: Hello elizabeth,
my comment for you is simple. you have found your guiding light, that really feels good, cause so many of us are looking for a light for so long a time. I must congratulate Don for his actions and everything else.Aug 4 2012: You are so right Elizabeth.
Don is truly a "guiding light."
And you have revealed your wisdom.
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Aug 2 2012: hi don, i feel honored that you joined the debate.
a belief should never be a laughing matter, that's ok, as long as someone can't prove it to be so....
about that special morning, i have already commented before, may be you didn't follow the whole conversation. so, for you again, your quoted statement proves you to be a fortune teller (no pun intended), which, probably your religion doesn't approve as the right path to follow.
i'm an atheist already. so, thanking you for your kind references, i'd like not to follow the links, cause, all of the religions existing in this world can direct one to so many references; references that talk about that specific religion only, producing nothing but that age old question: 'who's right then!?'
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Aug 3 2012: thanks, but no thanks. i'm not one that seeks empathy or compassion. the word struggling in my profile encompasses many other elements along with difficulty -- which make the words 'empathy / compassion' useless for me, thanks for your kindness though.
reaching perfection is an asymptotic curve, so i always set a limit to it, as necessary.
parts combining into 'whole' is something not to be missed. fact is, not all possible 'whole's can stun with beauty, except for a very few. rare, because of its own nature.
learning and becoming skilled is a powerful way, but limiting it to get 'stunned with beauty' only might not be the appropriate way of employing the power it holds. there r so many ways to employ the power to make so many things work the right way, the only condition is trying to be as scientific as possible - that alone can make feel best at creation or a regular work day; without needing supervision of any 'supernatural'.
u r always welcome to disturb me or feel uncomfortable about being an atheist, it wont make any difference at all, never. and sometimes most uncomfortable ways are needed to accomplish something important, such as, a war fare, logical or otherwise. so, being comfortable is the least important factor when one decides to make a contribution really worth doing so...
a businessman thinks in terms of profit / loss rather than salary; though i'm not a business man yet and i have served a long time for 'salary', i prefer to think in terms of profit / loss.
not all of us want to do good. instead, there r a very few who really want to do good by heart. most of us (average human being) sell the idea of being 'good' for some reason, which, in most cases, is money. there r other things also for which people barter the image of being 'good'.
i'm sorry, i don't really want to be seen as doing good, as long as my logic says i'm not harming others for my personal benefits.
'...to be seen as doing good' - pure hypocrisy most people employ to cover 'bad'...
Lejan .
Aug 2 2012: Beauty, Don, lies in the eyes of the beholder, only.
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Aug 2 2012: Don, I do not consider myself wise, I do not believe in 'the truth' and also I do not believe in a devil.
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It is my freedom to choose the way of communication and if you don't like it, that's fine with me, as this is your freedom.
Different from you I would not give anyone a comment on his or hers writing style or written approach on a topic, as you did, because this is pretentious and could be taken as an insult. And actually, that's what it is.
At times I like a 'playful' use of words and Faisal's debate headline almost pushed me into this virtual breakfast scenery by this beautiful picture of a 'fine morning'. Is this to blame? I don't think so. It may not be liked by all readers, but this can not be my problem. Faisal himself joined into this picture and both of us exchanged our arguments and views in a positive way.
As no one is forcing anyone here to read through all comments, the solution to comments you don't like is quite simple - just skip them.
If I have offend your feelings on the topic of 'God' by framing my comment within a context which seems absurd to you (and i do not consider breakfast absurd) I can only say, that this was not my intention and I think if you read my lines again, you may understand what I mean by saying so.
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Aug 3 2012: Hello Don.
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There is no doubt on my side that none of us is perfect and usually I am the first in the row to proof this statement right on a daily basis.
Also I appreciate feedback on my comments and as long as it is about my arguments, there is no need for anyone to tread careful on them. On the contraty, as I am already used to face harsh resistance from many sides which helps me to think even deeper into a subject.
But to me there is a difference of beeing harsh on my arguments and of 'getting personal'.
This is a line which I allow only a few and very close people to cross, and I think this is the same to all of us.
By what I read and therefore know about you, Don, I was already aware that the topic of god is of high importance to you. And I respect that as I respect any open minded believer.
But I do not, I can not honor your request to tread carefully on your beliefs if I am talking about the subject of god to other people than you. This would be censorship at its worst and I do not think that this was your wish or intention in your request.
So if I talk to Faisal or anybody else on this discussion forum about god or religion, it is not on me to watch your sentiments, it is on you only if you choose to follow this conversation or if you choose to join in.
If we ever meet on this topic again, the only thing I can do is trying not to cross your line and to get personal on your believes. But being agnostic, especially this topic proofed itself very tricky in the past to get a sense for those lines, so you may better stay away from me on this one.
And yes, I was assuming that your comment was not intended to insult me, and it didn't, but marking my ground became necessary.
Henk Mulder
Aug 2 2012: Buddhists believe in the God inside of us; Hindus have many Gods; Christians, Jews and Muslims have the same God but different prophets; Australia's aboriginese believe in Dreamtime stories; Elvis Presley and Justin Bieber are worshiped by some whereas physicists believe in the Theory of Everything.
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Within their believe systems these groups all have Gods that perfectly fit their needs and aspirations. Clearly, you can't expect a Christian to pray to Buddha or a Muslim to Elvis Presley: God's are right with their context; even the absence of God in Atheism works perfectly.
But, the atheist God, i.e. the non-God, doesn't work for Christians or Jews and trying to convince them of this will lead to discord. Neither will a Muslim accept the Dreamtime snake of creation. Why would you want to prove that your non-God is better? How will this enhance the lifes of of people that are perfectly happy in their society where they have their own philosophy of life that provides them with social guidance and aspiration?
The wars over Jerusalem were/are fought by people that want to protect or take back part of their cultural identity, including religious identity. Interestingly, Jews, Muslims and Christians may disagree about many things but they all agree that they have the same God and the same ancestry (Abraham).
I agree that religions have divided and still divide people to the point of violence. Other social differentiatiors such as race, wealth, geolocation, political belief system etc etc also divide people to the point of war. I simply don't see how the removal of God will change any of that and therefore why an atheist would want to evangelize his belief in the absense of God to save humanity?


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Album Title: TBA
Release Date: July 2013
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Track List: TBA
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Davis says "we're getting ready to start writing a new record" and predicts that it probably won't embrace the same electronic path that "…Totality" did. "Our motto is to keep ever-evolving," Davis says. "I'm sure there'll still be some electronic influence in there, but I don't think it'll be like the last one and go to all those different guys again. We'll switch it up and try to do something new, 'cause that's how we work
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I wouldn't say it's a 180 from the last album, but we're definitely taking a different approach. We're not going with the dubstep style, but we are using a lot of interesting recording techniques.
Right now, I will tell you this … we've done something we've never done before. Normally if we do a new Korn record, we'll normally put 12 or 13 songs and that's how many we make. This time we've made 20-plus songs, and we'll put the best of what we have on there, whatever the numbers end up being. We have so many to choose from, I think it's going to be a little extra special this time
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-Revolver Magazine and Artist Direct have bothed named KoRn's new album as Most Anticipated of 2013.
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It may have seemed like the band members' side projects were ringing in the end of Korn, with vocalist Jonathan Davis spending a lot of time on his electronic work and guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer focusing on Fear and the Nervous System. However, when Revolver spoke with Munky last year, he said Korn had 15 new songs already and was looking for a producer, adding, "We have a big 2013 planned for our fans, for ourselves, and our families."
Artist Direct:
Korn's tenth studio album, The Path of Totality, was in no uncertain terms a "game-changer." It featured cutting edge production from the likes of Skrillex, 12th Planet, Noisia, and more of EDM's hottest artists, and was widely hailed by critics and fans alike as Korn's best album in years. In 2013, expect the follow-up from metal's most innovative artists to deliver.
There are game changers and then there's Korn.
These are the men who gave us Korn, Life is Peachy, Follow the Leader, and last year's The Path of Totality. Every one of those records altered the course of heavy music, and that's why they cultivated one of the most diehard audiences in history. That brings us to their highly (understatement) anticipated eleventh studio effort.
Coming off The Path of Totality, the guys are emphasizing a return to the guttural guitar driven apocalyptic funk of their classic efforts, while still paving a new path. Whatever they do, it's bound to break ground and shake up music as a whole.
Are you ready to follow the leaders once more?
-It appears Sluggo will be helping with the editing process of the album. He has posted many pictures of him in the KoRn studio on his instagram and has many post's on his Facebook aswell.
-On January 26 Betatraxx posted on Facebook, "Messed around on a new track with Korn yesterday. Sickest studio ever…. Felt like i was in a giant Guitar Center designed by Tim Burton." He later stated, "It sounds like the past and the future at the same time."
-Head confirmed on Febuary 26 on KJXJ Rock 103.9 that he WILL NOT be on the new KoRn album unfortunately.
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Because their contract was up for Roadrunner. Also I believe JD stated awhile ago the band were dissapointed by Roadrunner due to their lack of promoting the band.
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Starkville's Miss Hospitality has always loved to cook, but after she began making petit fours for various activities at church, she began to find sweet success.
Mary Lowry Nemeth said she remembers helping her mom bake her dad's favorite cookies when she was barely tall enough to look over the butcher block in their kitchen. Nemeth loves a cooking challenge, and over the years, taught herself to make bread, pizza and pie crusts and other favorite baked goods.
"I remember as a little girl watching Snow White make pies and it looked like so much fun," Nemeth said. "I wanted to make pies like Snow White."
About six years ago, Nemeth and her grandmother took a class to learn to make petit fours. She said it was something she was interested in and thought it would be fun to learn.
"Petit fours are actually rather easy to do," Nemeth said. "They are unique and so much fun to do."
She began making petit fours for wedding and baby showers at her church, Emmanuel Baptist. Her petit fours became more and more popular, and a business was born out of friend and family requests. She has also taught classes on making petit fours.
"It is the perfect business for a busy teenager," said Nemeth's mother, Renee. "It is seasonal with most requests around the holidays and in the spring."
Nemeth uses a basic white box cake mix and adds various flavorings, depending on the season or the event. She uses a buttercream frosting as a crumb coat, then a thinner frosting to coat the entire cake. The "hard" part of making petit four is making sure the frosting is completely smooth before the top coat hardens.
From there, she adds various frosting colors to create original designs. Designs range from initials, flowers, script, dots and stripes, to seasonal decor such as Christmas trees and ornaments.
But there is one person who loves to see a design go bad. Nemeth's little brother, Michael, has the opportunity to eat the petit fours that are not up to Nemeth's design standards. When asked how he feels about Nemeth's petit fours, Michael gets a big smile on his face. Mom said he is pretty happy to see petit fours that don't make the "cut."
Nemeth said the petit fours taste so much better if eaten within 12-20 hours. She is adament about the freshness of the product, and will ice and decorate all of the petit fours the day of an event.
Recently, she was asked to make 150 petit fours for a wedding — her largest order in the five years she has been in business. Nemeth said it was fun, but she took a break from baking for a time afterwards.
And as much as she enjoys baking, her mom is adamant that she not take on any jobs this summer, as she prepares for state competition for Mississippi's Miss Hospitality Pageant.
Nemeth will leave Sunday evening to prepare for Miss Hospitality Week in Hattiesburg. She will be one of 28 contestants who will prepare throughout the week with rehearsals, tours, interviews and other special events in preparation for competition set for July 29-30 at the Saenger Theatre in Downtown Hattiesburg.
Nemeth was crowned Starkville's Miss Hospitality in March and began serving almost immediately.
"Serving as Miss Hospitality is such an honor," Nemeth said. "It means being involved in the community, encouraging tourism, and representing Starkville. I feel that participating in Miss Hospitality has made me so much more informed on what was going on in Starkville and all that we have to offer."
Nemeth said she loves that Starkville is a growing, vibrant community.
"Our citizens are involved and really want to improve Starkville," Nemeth said. "We have such a bright future."
The pageant organizers see the local and the state Miss Hospitality is a role model. Nemeth said she seeks opportunities to challenge and improve herself to become a better role model.
"I have a tremendous love for learning, and that is something I try to pass on to anyone I come into contact with," Nemeth said.
As she strives to become a role model, she is quick to say her role model has always been her mother, Renee Nemeth.
"She has really invested in me and encouraged me to be my best," Nemeth said. "She passed on to me a love for reading and learning and a true love for Mississippi."
She said her biggest accomplishment has been successfully completing her first semester at Mississippi State University.
"I took 16 hours and finished the semester with a 4.0 and President's List," Nemeth said. "During the semester I was able to get involved in many activities on campus, including Diamond Girls, Honors Council, intermurals, and the Baptist Student Union. Most importantly, I made some wonderful friends and really enjoyed my first semester."
Nemeth is interested in graduating from Mississippi State University and going to nursing school to concentrate on neonatal intensive care.
"I would also be interested in using my education in nursing to minister to others in medical missions," Nemeth said.
She is the daughter of Mike and Renee Nemeth of Starkville. She has a younger sister, Jacquelyn, 16, who loves MSU sports and competitive cheerleading, and brother, Michael, 9, who loves motorcycles. Her grandfather, Jerry Farris, received his degree from Mississippi State and lives in Jackson.
"I would like to thank God for blessing me with such amazing family and friends," Nemeth said. "I can't wait to see what He has in store for me in the future."
Tickets for the 2011 Mississippi Miss Hospitality Pageant are now on sale and can be purchased at the Saenger Theater Box Office at 601-584-4888 or online at http://www. HattiesburgSaenger.com. Tickets are $20 for premiere reserved seating and $15 for general reserved seating. Two-night ticket packages are also available.
For more information about Mississippi's Miss Hospitaltiy Pageant, contact the State Pageant office at 601-268-3220 or firstname.lastname@example.com.


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So What if I Hadn't Been Born?
When I blogged over at Slate's XX Factor (now Double X), I grew fond of Rachael Larimore, with whom I agreed to disagree with on almost everything. I am not being sarcastic. Recently, I heard a rabbi talk about the importance of discussing major issues not to convert others—not to win—but to "improve the quality of our disagreements." I love this concept as a way to improve our public discourse on core political subjects, which are often religious wars in another guise.
And so I am going to continue my tradition of disagreeing with Rachael, who recently posted an item titled Pro-Choicers Hate the "What if I Hadn't Been Born" Question. Here's Why. Rachael was responding to Amanda Marcotte's post about precisely that question. Rachael says that pro-choice arguments rely on the idea that
… women should be allowed to abort their unplanned pregnancies because unwanted children grow up poor, neglected, abused or some combination thereof. It can't allow for the possibility that some "unwanted" children actually grow up in loving homes and become responsible, even successful, adults; or that couples who take responsibility for unplanned children can be as good of parents as couples who wait until they're ready to have a family.
Then she notes that she was born to teen parents in 1972, before Roe, and rejoices in the fact that, therefore, she's alive.
But her argument relies on a factual error and a debatable premise. The first is this:
An aborted fetus had a heartbeat, and a brain, and, depending on the gestational age, tiny arms and legs and maybe even fingers and toes. It was human.
Well, that depends on your definition of human—and of fetus. According to the Guttmacher Institute, widely considered the most reliable source of accurate facts on the reproductive debates, nine out of ten abortions take place in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. That's not a fetus; it's an embryo—a little cluster of cells smaller than a thumb. If you believe that a human life begins when the sperm smacks through the embryo's cell wall and offers the potential of a life that grows from that unique genetic material, well, the distinction between thumb-size embryo and semi-human fetus doesn't matter. But I find that impossible to understand.
But the debatable premise is that concept of an individual right to to be born. Rachael values her existence, which is fabulous; we all should. I value mine as well—in part because existence is so very temporary and random, with no guarantees. I simply can't believe that there's a moral mandate that every possible life must become an actual one. So what if I hadn't been born? Who would notice?
I was "a surprise," as my mother likes to put it, conceived around a diaphragm. (Two of my three siblings also know the failed contraceptive method that resulted in our births. We're an irreverent family.) At one point in the pregnancy, it looked as if my mother might miscarry, and doctors put her on bedrest. After a few days of that, she says, she decided that if this baby wanted to be born, it would be, and if not, well, too bad. She went back to work.
Obviously the cells that became me hung on, tenacious and stubborn (then and still). But so what if they hadn't? What if my mother had miscarried, or the diaphragm hadn't slipped, or she had decided that 22 was too young to be a mother? Here's what: no one would know the difference. There would be no "me" to regret not existing. Someone else would have enjoyed the privileges of being the beloved first great-grandchild, first grandchild, and first child. Those people who love me would love someone else—just as passionately and richly, I have no doubt. The people who did get born would enjoy the glory of swimming in the ocean, of porcini ravioli with fresh parmesan, of kissing my eight-year-old's head, of watching the sun rise as the moon sets—and would suffer all the accompanying slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
Nature is exuberantly fertile and indifferent, a vast gamble, tossing out many possible seeds and not caring which takes root. To me, what matters is that new life happens. It doesn't particularly matter which new life happens, whether human or mushroom.
I find it absolutely impossible to believe that spiritual magic strikes when a sperm fertilizes an egg, divides into a blastocyst, or curls into an embryo. If it's okay to abstain from sex, or to use contraception, then it's okay to clean out a uterus of those gathering storm cells as well. (I might be a little queasier after "quickening"—the traditional division between potential and actual life—but I trust that complex choice to each individual.) I've never needed an abortion—my contraceptive method is infallible—but I don't see why any woman should be a mandatory incubator. If you believe that something magic happens when two cells join up to launch a new DNA regime, fine: carry to term. As the slogan has it, if you're against abortion, don't have one. I know that my mother and I are outliers—for most people this is a difficult question—but I just don't get the sentimentality about a clutch of dividing cells. And legislating others' behavior based on a spiritual belief (and while Larimore says she's not religious, her justification is still a belief) strikes me as theocratic, even totalitarian. And while Rachael might be a less prominent voice in this discussion, I would say the same to those few others—William Saletan?—open to a discussion in the spirit of better understanding our disagreements.
And now, Rachael, back to you.
Wed, 2011-10-26 17:21
E.J.: The "right to be born" is an incoherent idea. Before you are born (or in this case at least before "quickening") you do not exist as a person. Nothing that does not exist can have rights. Does an oak tree have the right to be born when it's an acorn? No, because there is no oak tree to have any rights. QED
Wed, 2011-10-26 19:25
The only relevant question is whether "legislating others' behavior based on a spiritual belief" is right. If it isn't, the entire range of beliefs is irrelevant. In the United States, we already agreed in our Constitution that government has no place in supporting a particular religious belief.
Thu, 2011-10-27 14:22
This is excellent logic that I wish everyone, including the author, would consistently adhere to. She writes: "Nature is exuberantly fertile and indifferent, a vast gamble, tossing out many possible seeds and not caring which takes root. To me, what matters is that new life happens. It doesn't particularly matter which new life happens, whether human or mushroom." In other words, in a universe populated according to natural selection, which species thrives and which species dies is not all that important, the universe simply does not care. Natural selection is concerned with survival in general, not the welfare of specific beings or even specific types of beings. So when this author or anyone else defends a woman's right to chose and then turns around and demands that I abstain from cutting down trees in a forest occupied by an endangered spotted owl, it's wildly inconsistent. That we should defend any one species, including our own, from extinction by some alleged "unnatural causes," whatever that could possibly be, is ludicrous. The universe does not care. In fact, natural selection presupposes inequalities among the species and dictates elimination. For whatever reason, we've decided that all species must survive, and take it upon ourselves to ensure their well-being. Liberals are the loudest advocates of conservation, yet also the most adamant defenders of woman's right to chose. This is entirely illogical. The author concludes her piece with: "I just don't get the sentimentality about a clutch of dividing cells." She need not get sentimental over any such grouping of cells, even fully developed ones. The universe remains wholly indifferent of them all.
Buck Stodgers
Thu, 2011-10-27 15:43
As an individual who hasn't really determined what side of this issue I would fall, on, it is arguments like these that push me towards the pro-life side. Why? Because this writer makes no distinction between the active choices one makes to prevent a pregnancy, the passive choices one makes during a pregnancy, and the active ones a person would make to end a pregnancy.
If you talk to most women who are trying to get pregnant, from the moment of conception until about the end of the first tri-mester, they tell no one. Why? Because they don't want to get people's hopes up. And that's exactly the point - once you're confirmed pregnant, fetus or not you *expect* to have a baby, until nature intervenes, or until you decide to end it. That's why they call them "expectant mothers", not embryo-carrying females.
Arguments like this devolve into semantics and ignore the simple emotional truth: if you want the baby, it's a baby - no matter how far into the pregnancy you may be. If you don't want it, then you come up with every reason and excuse to call it something other than a baby - right or wrong.
And by the way, starting your article saying that you enjoy reading alternative opinions to build the strength of your disagreement shows that you are closed-minded on your opinions, further demonstrated by your comment "But I find that impossible to understand." You find it impossible to understand, because you aren't trying to understand, you're trying to argue against it.
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Windows, Linux, and any OS is an amazing engineering feet in my eyes. Figured I'd say something before someone uses this article to troll someone based on if they prefer OS A over OS B. I use both. They are operating systems. They do not care what advantages they have over the other one. I'm just amazed and lucky I was born into an era where virtually anything is possible. They are all innovators. However, I am not picking on this post. This is a needed ray of positivity on a negative internet. This post is pretty optimistic. Figure I'd extend the optimism. Yay for technology!
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>>Start screen took us away from the horribly nested start menu, why would they go back to that.<<
That is subjective. Try telling your HR department that nested folders are inefficient and horrible. That's just one tiny example.
>>Ad I think you misunderstand the purpose of the start screen, it replaces the pinned "favorite" apps on the start menu. It's not meant to be crammed full of every app and folder you have. That's why you have search and all programs for.<<
It replaces a seldom used feature of the Start Menu? Then we don't need it at all. What it's for is for tablets and Live tiles, and it's on the Desktop as a result. Search, horrible Modern UI search? Most people organize their own work better than search results. "Having" to search for frequently used items is a waste of time. Nested tiles and "search" don't have to be mutually exclusive.
>>And why would enterprise pick up windows 8 faster if it went straight to desktop. When you start a computer. The first thing you need to do is start whatever program you're going to be working in.<<
I'm guessing you don't work in an enterprise. See, if you change say where the light switch is, it costs money to tell everyone where that is. When you're talking thousands of users, that's money no one wants to spend. Having the option to bypass it would just eliminate that. In most enterprises, social media is blocked anyway, not much need for live tiles sucking down user productivity. When organizations have a need they can change the GPO for one or all.
>>So it makes a lot more sense to start in the launcher instead of on the desktop and then have to click start to start your program.<<
You wrongly assumed going to the desktop to get to the Start Menu. The only reason I would keep the Start Menu is the search is more efficient IMO. Apps are pinned to the Taskbar, or for enterprises with mostly web based apps, just launch IE and apps open in a tabbed browser. Not only that shortcuts to network locations are easily reached by right clicking on Explorer on taskbar. There is simply no way to create a scenario in which stopping at the Start Page is more productive in an enterprise at this time IMO. None. Furthermore you're going to have to move from Modern UI to Desktop Environment, more un-needed steps and minor as they may be.
>>The classic folder and HDD saving paradigm is something they want to get away from for obvious reasons. Vista was supposed to bring that before the rewrite and scaling back. 7 brought much of that project back in the form of smart folders and libraries.<<
You mean WinFS. Yeah, that was a little ambitious. Libraries are nice but still hierarchical. The backend is still a hierarchical file system. That's not going to change for long time. It would be nice, but that's a long way off. So until then, we must work with what is. So it's not classic because it is the current and foreseeable future. Sometimes the wheel don't need re-inventing. Long live the card catalog.
>>They went away from u infield search to a more logical and understandable search for regular users, this is not reverting. And frankly I think you'll find most people are happy to not have their program search infested with files and settings no the other ways around, clicking arrow down isn't going to kill anyone.<<
I'm not sure I'm following you. Start Menu search is unified but categorizes the results. Just instead of having to move your mouse halfway across and up the screen and click on multiple categories, it presents the results in the same area as the search input and presents all the results in a categorized, compact, easy to read list with results able to be immediately manipulated with in-place context menu actions. If many people are unaware that this is one of the many great design features of the Start Menu, that may explain why so many are confused as to why so many want it back. I have a 27" screen, you know how much candy colored meaningless icons come up on any search, and it's not nearly as accurate as Start Menu or Start8 search. I don't understand that to be honest. It should be the same. And why if you just click the Search Charm does it default to Apps when 90% of the time, most people will be searching files? I could go on forever on Modern UI Search.
Listen, I understand MS has made some controversial decisions to further their Tablet agenda, but vilifying the Start Menu just makes no sense. It took MS a long time and lots of research to simplify it and make it as productive as it is in a nice compact corner of the screen. The only reason it's gone is because it doesn't work for Tablets. I get that. But some of the stuff people make-up about how the Modern UI is more productive and the Start Menu was a waste of time, etc. flies in the face of reality. That's just not true. And the Modern UI doesn't come close to it's productivity, customizability, or usability EXCEPT on a tablet. That's why so many can't meet in the middle on these things.
I personally, don't need the Start Menu back. But Modern UI search is horrendous and inefficient and a big ol' waste of my time on a Desktop. That's the sole reason I paid $5 for Start8. I'll NEVER use Modern UI search as it exists in the current release. That's how much of a ridiculous waste of time it is to me. It doesn't even clear the search input on a new search.
Now you took a shot and my wants needs and desires for Windows 8, and I responded. Let's call it a draw and now, unless you think Windows 8 is Nirvana, what would you like to see in Windows 8 to make it better for you?
Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:48
5. The start menu search results where nowhere near as glorious as you make it out. I mean yeah it was great, it was better than anything else at the time. But the new search is better, especially for regular users. and especially when supporting. When I help someone over the phone, I can now tell them to search for something, and just tell them to arrow down and I KNOW they are in settings search. instead of hoping they click on the right tool and not something else.
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If I may be so bold as to give my opinion, I think that's he's absolutely right about the Start menu unified search results.
All I have to do is press the Windows key and start typing. I can search for documents, programs, settings, etcetera simultaneously. The Start screen forces me to search in one category at a time... which is just ridiculous.
Suppose I write Internet. The default setting for the Start screen, 'Apps', gives me Internet Explorer, but not something like Internet Options... The Start menu would give me both (and more) at once, without the need to select a category before or after already performing a search.
The same way every other OS works on touchscreen. There's been tablets with Win 7 on them for a long time, they work just fine without tiles and modern UI.


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