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Nassau County Review OlididtPapeg,yas9SstFtespgst FREEPORT, N. Y., FRIDAY, MAY 17, 1918 Vol XXI, No. 20 I £E» CROSS WAR FUND CAMPAIGN Red Cross drive will begin on Monday and F^reeport muat raiae ten theueand for this important work; that is Just a little over one dollar fc every man, woinan and child in this Tillage, and after all, it is little enough for aa lo do. The Red Cross is the real Angel of Mercy in thia war, and stands out above all this cruelty as a shining ex- ' ample that in tbis war all the humani¬ ty has not been squeezed out «f the world. Elvin N. Edwards has been ap¬ pointed by Colonel Roosevelt as the chairman of the second war fund drive, and the time is so short that it ^.. is almost impossible to plan, careful¬ ly, a full working organization. RED CROSS IWreS Neighborhood Workers a Necessary Factor The Freeport Branch acknowledges , ¦ I)n Village Life, ^''th thanks the following contribu- (Special Contribution) '»'»«« ^ the Red Cross: The meeting "of the Neighborhood ' Miss Elisabeth Hewlett Workera with Mrs. Alfred T. Davi- (monthly) son, on Monday of thc present week, *'•»* Marion L Willets (monthly) Miss Nellie Anderson (monthly) Mrs. Arthur P. Davisson (monthly) was of deep intere!<t and dealt large-! Iy with health matters. Because ot thc serious inroads of j tuberculosis F chroughout the State (22,000 new cases having been re¬ ported by means of the government' Mr. Arthur P. Davisson draft) the most effective method of (monthly) combating the disea-se, and of utiliz- M"". W. O. Seaman ing the tuberculosis fund of the As- "(monthly) sociation, was discr^.sed. Mrs. Jacob Post (monthly) The Association voted to unite with Mrs. M. J. Travis (monthly) the National Tuberculoiis Associa- »0<> Club, Mrs. Knobel. treas. tion, also to again appropriate funds, I Red Cross Helpers, Russell during thc coming year, for milk for Park, May 6 poorly nourished children and to un- ^od Cross Helpers, Russell War Department Approves the Feeding of Sokliers In answer to the inquiry of our chairman, the foUowinr: reply is re¬ ceived, which explains itself: In reference to furnishing coffee and cake to the men who go to I'ree- 1.00 ' port my personal feeling fs that you : .should continue to do as you have Working for Ambulance Following is the list of contribu¬ tors to the fund for the ambulance for | Nassau County, mentioned in our last | iasue. WANTAGH MERRKl -'^^ li/ There will be services in the Me-i ^^l* "'-»»,,'^«i»»^.^ «f^-^,,»;"«- . , ^, , ^ , . i tebr%]iai and aU items taovM m acnt to hni monal Church, Suncjlay, both mommg | to luurc tn.crtian aadar thi* kca^ins. $1.00 ¦vi^. Vra^ v\tttnht.r Ml-, u "rr.iA I *"<* eveniHg, and Sunday School at Ki'ng Mrs MiddfeS -MrS Manwa" | ^f 0_ Christian Endeavor Friday ev- j ^^Servjce^s at the ^Churchj>f the Re- ^',V"\tT/=l'. T~Vn7""ir'''M'.il'V"""MU-1 «"J"K in the church at 8 o'clock; top-i deemer Sunday, Whitsurtlay, - at 11 Ali;e^^^n M» ^SeaSan"' M" I-.. "^-^^o^^^^. ^-"^ '° Ser-1 o'clock A. M. and 8 o'cloek P. M - ••""" a"t.i"t.... \t^ n n.'.:.. m— i «..:. vice; leader, Marion Jackson. 1.00 ! done in the past. If you were to take j |',^"S!'V**'^:,L F^^Jin ^r, — : a census of the men who gc to the I SI ^^W^^j^^l m.<. i^^ M.^'mo^ The Good Cheer Club will meet with i sermon. 1 00 i club, vou would find that they have ; ^"'"" "<»7»'>«cK, .Mrs. juiia Honman, j^jj^^ g,^j^ Y^^^^^ ^^ Tuesdav even-1 in the Parish House each Sunday at very litt'rf money; this is one of the r^"- '"")'•" "J""- . ". ". ing. May 21. ; 10 -A. M. The Woman's Auxiliary 1 00 reiisons *hv they do not go to New I _ "'^- " ^ " ,, i: . "''" '^"" meets weekly on Thursdays at 2.30 \' 1 TV, ",., .« ,=, " * "" I .i,",. Runcie, Mrs. Harold Runcie, Mrs. S.' i ¦» ' 1 Ol K. These men must eat and thcy I • ^ Morning Prayer and sennon and Holy Communion. Evening Prayer and The Sunday School meets George A. Seaman and W. Harold j P. M. the Parish House. Choir 2.10 capuble of doing. The sugar and flour you use in the club will be saved to the men inside thc camps; there ; weekly on Fridays at 8 P. M. The ....... ,«. -... ^-^ -..V. .....J I aug^ Air- R TM,.lror Vf.-. Th/i.«. vjcurgc- ."i. oeainun unn n. naroia i r. n. in me rarisn nouse. cooir 1.00 mi;j:iit better be served at the club °"**' /""•"•. ^"*^??'^' p %, ,T ' I Van Tuyl both spent Saturday and | practice is held Thursdays at 8 P. M. 1.00 under happy conditions than to go '"'"V m «.!' « ou m"* Sunday in the village. : in the church. The G. F. S. meeta bi- 1.00 to such a place as or any other \ f.^^J^ ^^iJ^^lftl^r' cItu «" T 50 of the restaurants where they would i have to pay far more than they are | " _ " _ _ end with Mrs. A. E. Hunt. 'Calkins, Scoutmaster. A cdNial in¬ vitation is extended to all to attend 2.10 10.00 Mr. Edwards appeals to everyone to ' dertake, by special means, namely. Park, May 13 belp make a succes.s of this, as can- ("The Modern Health Crusade" sys- ^^f- C. M. Eadie vassers or subscribers. Come to the j tem, to instill in the children of the , ^t». Robert A. Davison, bi- headquarters at the Preeport Club, | village some simple methods of main- nionthly which will be open day and evening j taining health. It is believed the ^^Tq^ throug the entire week of the drive. I teachers of our schools will co-oper- Total $25.9o If you are going to contribute to the ' atc with Mrs. Scholey, the Sotial Kindly make checks payable to cause, you can do so in four monthly ' Worker, in this Undertaking. As an Freeport Branch, .American Red payments. First one July 1, August iaid in investigation, the services of a Cross, and send ta Mrs. Alfred 1- v.,rih c:,."fK v«,t on.i Tseptember and October 1. ; trained nurse may be called in. Davison, 110 Pine Street, Freeport, ters from North, South, East and land, Mrs^ Benson Smith, Mrs. C. ] yy-^^^ y^^^^ p^j^ Harper, a former I Boy Scouts meet weekly in the Par- Abrams. Mrs.W.J.Haig, Mrs^Thom-l^^^^j, ^^j^^^^^ ish House at 7^0 P. M., Chas. A. as Flaherty, Mrs. William McCarty. ^^^ ,";^^ ^;^ ^ ^ «"" <-,.ii,i"" o » ..... -Mrs. (ieorge Winston, Sadie Kahn,, . ^- .^- Newman B Blum, Mrs. Leo j ^^^.^ y^^.^^^ ^j,,. ^j^^^^. j^^^^ ^ g^^ , ^y^^ services of this church and to be- 3 25 'n«'e, I do not feel that this is a waste "°"*",^' r\u ' ^ m ' im i "'''»>' evening, at 8:^0 o'clock, the 1 come identified with its community of food in any way and trust that '"f' ,p- •'• ^^- y^^^y' ""• •¦• "*'^-, Good Cheer Club will givea three-act I interests. I Cutey Mrs. Dave Lippman, Mrs. Her- ! .^,^^^, ...y^^ Farmerette." under' '^^"'* ^'¦'¦.'¦'/l''^.^'"'*'". ^^:'^"'='^'!thc direction of Mrs. Harr.v J. Thom-! .vour committee will continue in tho sume manner. ' Cordially yours, F. HOWARD COVEY, Director Nassau-Queens. The soldiers who eall at headquar If you are appointed on the com- The report of the Sbcial Worker L- '- ¦ ^-u t n v> mittee in this great drive, remember covered a broad fieid of endeavor fori , (From the Chairmnn pf Ihe Press it is your duty to serve. We are at village betterment. The items nien-' ^ """^'tt**'- West are all made to feel at home bL'st we "'Ml at our roonis at (i Brook- i.v:; Avenue. These rooms are the and fighting for oui; e.xisence. i tiojied included the following: If there remains in this land one larse.^t we can secure, so they will have to do unless our work gets so lar;je that we cannot accommodate This is the least you can do, not only i The clothing bureau supplies an surviving doubter as to the splenJid serve but serve enthusiastically" aiid i urgent ne.d in providing K^^ments achievement or^^^^ ^^^.^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ get your friends to do this al.^o. - 'within the means of everyone apply- "ic humanity of the Amencan Ked > . ' " , ^ ^ , ^ Let Freeport go 'Over the Top" and : ing. Cro^ it is a great loss to him that he ;;;;;¦ ''^^t^/^^^PS/,"; stand out above ail the other com- i Thc mutual aid rendered through ' wa. not somewhere in the vast oyer- ^^^^^^'^^^^^y^^^?."^'^^^^^^ 3"j ^" ".unitie... co-operation with county and village Aow audience at the Red Cross Con- f course the bo>s come and go, Let our nearly three handred boys ' olTr ials brings good results and tends vention last, Wednesday at the Wal- ¦-"'"e only having opportunity vis in the wrvice see that wc are ready to make big .sacrifices liere. Red Cross Workers Organize Two hundred and fifty most promi¬ nent men and women of Nas.sau Coun¬ ty met Tuesday night, .May 14, at the Garden City Hotel and organized the county-wide work fo;- the. .Si'cond War Fund Campaign for the American National Red Cross. Colonel Theodore Koosevelt is. thu chairman for .N'a.ssau County. Vice Chairman .1. K. Berminghanr read the quotas fo;- variou.^ districts which aro as fo!!o-,v.s for this section: Baldwin. K. A. Hawkins, chairman; $2513. BcUmo.;-, Seaford,Smithville South, C. M. Vanderoef, chairman; $1173. Freeport, Merrick, Elvin N. Ed¬ wards, chairman; $11,103. Roose-.elt, Mrs. F". E. Connolly, chairman; $1,377. imr placed in industrial homes. And now,apon request, work cor- i-?;-;ponding to that of a probation oih- ciT i.s begun. -^ B-'P'des this itie enforcement of the Red Cross Parade .est in home life and encourage thrift and industry,. Monday Night into the home of sorrow a'nd suffer- Chairman Kdw.irds has aecured, i"K the Worker comes, a friend in thsough the kindness of Col. Rudolph need, and truly a friend indeed; en the band of the 128th F. A. (28th Di vision) from Camp Mills, with 4i t(.A-ird elFu-iency. The Health Offl" dorf Astoria Hotel in New Vork Cit.v. 't us once, others coming several c ,, the Truant bfTicer, the Overseer There were 2,500 delegates registered , times. ,'¦: tlie Poor, all help'and are helped and many who were not delegates., Our ladies committees continue ! --r,ugh this agency The large ballroom with all its gal-i their work, supplying our guests with nay's work is given on application, leries and the Astor gallery were full , toffee and cake Saturday and Sunday Cleanliness in street and home in- l^o overflowing and the principal i>'venings , .-:.stentl.v urged. > speakers had to speak in relays al- Mrs. M. W. Ryan was chairman Good" iirivate boarding homes for tornati.nr from one audience to the I Saturday night, with the following c-hiidren found . other. , assistants: Mrs. Slade presided at the Unrulv children safeguarded by be- AlbeVt Staub, assistant manager of ' Piano; Mr.s. J. Permento, Miss Mary the .\tlantic Division, presided at the Connor, Mrs. W. Coyie, .Miss May morning se.ssion which was subdivided O'.Mara, Miss Florence Fennelly, Mrs. into conferences of the varied branch- •'- N". Hartmann. es of service. i ¦'Sunday night a committee from the John Magee, dirr-ctor Bureau of | Daughters of Liberty served, c-jifew ordinance call.-, for its share Military Relief, gave a comprel-.ensive ; The committee Sunday evening was cf ihe Sociiil Worker's time review of the military relief work^^lis- Leone Raynor, Mrs. Jean Mid- 'Ine work of the Civilian Relief and explained the very necessary I mer Mrs. Lottie Ashdown, Mrs. Erfie Committee of the Red Cross will i handling of supplies through one di-. <• - Dunbar, Mrs. -Maude Seaman, .Mrs. doubtless be facilitated by joining rect channel of distribution so as not I Penr] Southard, Mrs. Bertha Connors if'urxls \^ith the Neighborhood Worker, to dispense unevenly and not to make j -'Irs. Hattie Smith, Mrs. Loui.se T-xiay the writer aaw many little more difficult the woes of the traffic ;i:i.lren applying for garden seeds at man with an unlimited amount of ihe oftice. Sympathy and aid along small freight. The special confer- this line bear fruit in increased inter- ences were: Home Service—.-Alexander Wilson, director of civilian relief. Junior .Activities--Rouillion, direct-j the.piano and Miss Harris sang popu or junior activiteV [ '-^r songs. Nursing Service-—Miss Flor^ice M.\ Our request for a sefvice outfit at tering sympathetically intj> the life i Johnson, director bureau of rfursi'ng headquarters brought several replies, of the family. As was instanced dur-' service. I ""d we can use all that were sent ,, - .. - " ^wv >...c..,.;v.. •.,, ..I..-.. ..uirv J. 1I1U.M-; Mrs. .\. C. Doanc is in Raleigh, N. Mrs Janies \ cage Laurence Heenan. ^.,,^ ^^.i" ^,^" ^^^^ '-^^ ^y^^ ^ I ^ y^^ ^ ^^^" ^.^^^. ^¦^^^ Miss Ruth VanRiper, Mrs. A. L. • »- j I.awson, Mrs. Sinclair Raynor, Mrs. R. Remsen, Mrs. Jack Combs, Mrs. W. j and there will also be the talented Paulton trio in musical act, "The: Mr. and Mrs. H. H. Cammann are , _, T. T> /-. J »« 1 Blind Beggars." The proceeds will I in .Merrick again for the season after Carman, J, Conner K BCraden,Mrs. y^^ y^^ the organ and heating fund.! the winter spent in Manhattan. Mrs. B. DeRoth Mrs. E. Houghton, .^d"i,3io", ^^^1^^, 35c; children, 20c.: Mrs. J. .McGee, Mrs. Grace Sherwood,! j j^^.^ ^^^^^ ^^^^p^^ i^ supplying for .Miss Florence Box of Woodward | the Episcopal church at Highland Mrs. Rachel Taylor, Mrs. Rachel Toomer, Mrs. Wolff, Mrs. Wood, Miss _ ,^ - T L ..Avenue left Tuesdav for Griswold-1 Falls, N. Y.,during the month of Mav. Grace Weyant Daughters of Liberty,-.j,,^. j,^,, ".,,ej.^ ^^^, ^^p^^t^ to! going there for weekends. Mrs. William R. Weyant, Helen Wey-! .^t^^. ^^^ ^^.y,,ra\ months. ! ' ant. ! ¦ - Aubrey W. Vogel, Al. Weeks, Sig. Abele;t, Elizabeth .Abeles, J. E. Sea- ¦ i '^t the Annual School .Meeting of George E. Box announces the en- ] this district held in the school house , ,,. " J " r. t .. J , gagement of his daughter, Martha, to i on Tue.-^day, May 7th, A. ('. Doane man. Lottie Gardner, Mr.s. B. J. Card- (-.,^,,"^, E. Peckham of ' iner, John J. Randall, jr., Mrs. La ; |.o,"jj [^ j Crosse, Mrs. Leo P'isliel, .Mrs. .Mary, ' < "¦ • Ronkon- Smith, .Mrs. Josephine Behrens, Mrs. I'laude E. Corwin, Mrs. Addie Davi¬ son, Mrs. Pauline Golder, Miss An¬ nie Ritchie and Miss Florence Fulla¬ gar. IVIys. Jean Midmer entertained at Zulzer, Mrs. C. Weyant, Mrs. C. Hart, Mr. Sloth, Mrs. .McChaty, .Mrs. H.! Buckley, Mrs. J. R. De Nyce, Ned j Norworth, Mrs. Pouferman, .Mrs. i Andrews, .Mrs. C. L. .\sch, Mrs. E. R. | Lee. I .Airs. Beers, Mr.s. Behring, Mrs. iT. J. Stevens, George Weeks, Mrs. Vic¬ tor Moore, .Mrs. James Diamond, D. DaSilva, Mrs. Matilda Grey, Mrs. I F'red Greaves, Mrs. Samuel Hendrick¬ .son, Mrs. E. B. Thompson, .Mrs. Miii- senheimer. At the Elks Club House one night recently the Exalted Ruler. Leo Fish- • el, Past Exalted Ruler S. P. Pettit • I was elected to take the place i i' laafl I T. Goud. The other trustees are Geo. I M. Hewlett and David Greaves. Pro- Don't forget about the Red ("ross | vision was made to care tinatinally every Monday evening in the (ire hai they need your help. The luncheon and business meeting of the Wantagh Red Cross Auxiliary will be held .May 20. \t this meeting will be an election of oflicers. We liopi- tliore will be a larire attendance. ROOSEVELT and M. Feltenstein had charge of an auction of the boxes for the benefit performance to be given by the 'Oh! Lady! Lady Co." at the i liiice.ss The¬ atre, N'ju York on F'riday afternoon. May 24, under the auspices of thf Froeport Woman's Ambulance Fund. The spirit of absolute cnthuiiastic Americanism shown by those prcseni was simply u repetition of what Free¬ porters will do (as instanced by the wonderful Libcrty Bond over-sub¬ scription) whenever something is t-o be done djrcctl.v or indirectly for Uncle Sam. Sfhool Notes ¦ Ea«:le Honor Koll for .\pril as fol- I lows: i (Jra'ie H — William Loebn-, Lila Val- j entine, .¦\nna Montross. Giiide 7—-Simon N.Mhan, Irma Khodes. Grade 5—..Mary Kazawowsky. Mar- j garet Huber, Doroth;,' Ryf. ! Griule 4—Florence Piedell, Elsa Pauline Kot/.e, Christian pieces, for a parade and concert Mon- ' ing thc past month, when acting as Albert T. Tamblyn, director bureau j which will on the other hand, be suffi- day afternoon, the concert at 5 ' sponsor in the baptism of four very of <levelopment. ! iient for our needs for the present. o'clock and the parade at 8, to which sick children, while a fifth lay dead. Chapter production—Miss Ellen | Mrs. Smith of thc Woman's E.\change the local organizations have been in- and the mother ill. The whole story Adec, director bureau of women's; and Miss Sammis both left in very vited, including the firn department, cannot be told, but the courage ami work. ' complete outfits, and Mrs. Davisson, home defense unit, red cross and oth-'. self-sacrifice attending all such ex- , Personnel for Foreign Service— | our woman's chairman, brought both er workers. There will be a Red ' periences are beyond praise. ; Eric Allen, director bureau of person-: a sewing outfit and an emergency Cross rally after the parade with | 'Tis a glorious jirivilege to serve. : nel. : '"cdical outfit. speeches an"d~~mu8ic. I The Neighborhood Workers are grate-; The afternoon session was ilium- j Donations If possible Col. Moss will send his j ful to the people of the village who ined with the appearance of the two E. R. Brindel, $2 to smokes fund colored band here again on Wednes-1 have made this possible. most noted women speakers of the! (this fund is handle.! by Vice Chair- day. Red Cross Service, Countess I,.aura de j man Robert W. Nutt and does not / Report of the .A.nti-tuberculosis Turczynowicz, author of "When the | enter through tbe treasurer of the The bridge and five hundred held at Committee: Huns Came to Poland." She is an ¦ Association). ' • the Freeport Club last Wednesday -- 1917-1918 American woman and has lived closer j Mrs. B. M. Asch, magazines evening under the auspices of the wo- Oct. 4, 1917, balance on deposit to thc suffering and horror of this j H. P. Libby, stereograph and foto-c. men members and friends of the club. with First National Bank $377.011war than any other woman living.! Mrs. Minnie .Moseman, music. Lud'A-ig, Vollmer. Glade 3—I'^velyn Wood, AnseTVal- entinc. .\nna Pflenk'er, Nicholas Splenia. Grade 2 -Albert Cl,ari<, Ruth Doble. Grade 1 — Christina .Schmidt. School was closed on Friday while Six of the boxes were bought^ by^the '^y^e teachers were in attendance at the "" "" ^' ^"'^ ' '^ Teachers' Conference. Miss Coonlyn, who has been absent the past two weeks because of the illness of her mother, has returned to her duties. The attendance banner for the week goes to Miss Finger's 4th Grade. following: .M. Felten.stein, G. Ben nett Smith, Detroit Elks, .-Albert von Tiher, Eddie Graner, Edward I.angef. Village Trustees Approve Red Cross Drive .M the meeting of the Freeport Village Board of Trustees this Thurs¬ day afternoon the following resolu¬ tion was unanimously adopted:. Resolved, That it is the sense and BALDWIN Rev. Mr. Stockdale, pastor of the ; hope of this Board of Trusteen that | M. E. Church, will preach to the lad- j the police and fire departments and I ies of the Red Cross on Sunday even- I all village employees and thc people j ing, May 19. The ladies are asked to i of the Village of Freeport will gen- j appear in uniform. iShe told of her personal experiences! James Venditt, cigarettes. (Mr. |er(^sly respond to the appeal to be; and through their telling inspired her | Venditt's wife has three brothers in j made to all our citizens by and in be- There will be a rmi and euchre for hearers to greater efforts in their Red the service). half of the Amerkan Red Cross So-j the benefit of the Red Cross at the Cross work than any other message I Mrs. C. H. Thorns, magazines. I ciety for funds to enable it to effect- i Manhattan Country Club on Thurs- coukl have done. Mrs. August Bel-; Father O'Toole, magazines. lively continue the great and noble ''"^ afternoon, .May 23, at 2 o'clock, mont, our own beloved Eleanor Rob- ¦ Mrs. Oscar Toombs, .'j lbs. sugar. I work it is now engaged in for our | Tickets are .^O cents and will be on Mrs. Woolsey, coffee and milk. j country. *'»''^ "t the Silver Lake Pharmacy. Mrs. Henry L. Maxon was chair-1 One~-third of Social Workers' ; enation of Aunt Mary, told what thej Mrs. A. P. Dickerson, wire basket! June 4, from 2 to 4, was set for; -,, "^ man of the committee, and, as usuaL I Salary 1.50.00 j Red Croas is doing abroad for the sol-j for mail. , grievance day. -A patriotic entertainment and .so- managed the affair pleasantly and Paid to State Charities Aid diers and refugees and in the devas-1 The (Jerman helmet sent by a U. S. ] Tlu; recommendation of the Fire i cial will be held in the chapel of the for the purpose of paying off the vie- * Proceeds from sale of Red trola debt, was a great success. .(Cross Christmas Seals 554.08 One hundred and ten people attend- ed. .\s there were no expenses in- $931.09 cuncd by the committee, the clear Disbursements profit, when all the returns are in, ¦ Stationery, printing and post- T^ll be between $60 and $70. age $72.32 son of Saloiny Jane and The Rejuy successfully. Sunday Sdkool Attendance Contest Owing to an error in figuring the May 5 returns of the Freeport, Pres¬ byterian School, that school's record for the day was placed at 90"/,. It should have been given as lOO^r, a single-day record unequalled by any otber of the competing schools. R«T«rd «f Contest ,,".,. ^ . .,"^Hf.r.B soldier to Mrs. Dickerson has also | Council for the purchase of four tar-i Baldwin M. P. Church on Wednesday MalteTmllk" furnished school i erhari"^^^ spoke on the Second i been loaned to the club room, and is paulins for the use of the Fire Patrol ! evening. May 29, at H o'clock. The children '""^ 66.00 i Red Cross Drive am. urged the com-1 of much interest to the sold.ers. ! was referred to Tru.stee Mahnken. Fresh milk furnished school [ bined effort of individuals, auxiliaries, children and individualcases 11.12 ' branches and chapters and told of the I great need for much more money to ! Miss Nielsen, books. Mrs. Lester, 5 Ibs. coffee. Mr. Narwood. .Merrick, magjizines. Mrb. E. J. Carman, music. Charles Lenker, large bouquet of ¦ price of admission, 2.'> cents, will in¬ fer graduates of the local school who elect to continue their education thru the I figh School course. The meeting did not see fit to authorize the pur¬ chase of a phonojrraph which the school has been enjoying for some time. This is felt generally in the village to have been a mistake and to be a retarding of the progri.'ss of the schuol as a plionograph toduy is a necessary part of educational equip¬ ment. The motion to purchase was lost by three votes. However, the phonograph will remain in the school as public spirited citizens arc contrib¬ uting to keep it there. If anyone wishes to help, Mr. James Emery will gladly receive the gift. The plan or¬ iginated at the dinni r table of one of our Merrick hume.-; and Mr. Emery' was asked to take charge of th" mat¬ ter. Mr. Emery is Clerk of the local School Board. The meeting is much commended in scloi-ting and the vil¬ lage congratulated in securing MW;"--"* Deane as trustee. .Mr. Doane's fath¬ er. Dr. ('. K. Doanc^'was a trustee of the Brooklyn schools. His business is the manufacture of Sedlitz powders and i.s located in Brooklyn. Mr. iAianc and family have resided here on .Merrick .Ave. for the last ten years. ' i iMrs. .\. J. .Anthony spent a few days last week ut Maplewoo<l, N. J. .A dance is being given tonight at 8 o'clock in the Parish House by the Senior Class of the .Merrick Gram¬ mar School for the benefit of the'Aux- iliary of the .lunior R<'<l Cross. Ad¬ mission is 10 cents. Let us attend and help the good work of the boys and girls, even if we do not dnnce. Rev. William H. Littebrandt at¬ tended thc induction of Prof. A. C, McGiffert into the office of Prudent of Union Theological Seminary at tha Seminary on Tuesday and the lunch¬ eon which follow(><l in tlie gymnasi¬ um, where spccihes were made by Pre:!. Butler of Cclumbia, Chancellor i Brown of New York University, and Dr. 'I'hwing of Western Reserve Uni¬ versity, Prof Geo. C. Moore of Har¬ vard and Sir (Jeo. Adam .Smith, prin¬ cipal of .Aberdeen, Scotluml. Application of C. .K. Reitmeyer for i elude refreshments, water on Grove Street, also for side- ,1 walk grade; and Thomas Ferguson,' 211 Smith Street, and Adolph Peteler, 147 Denhoff .Avenue, sidewalk grades,, BELLMORE r ¦ ,. '. ; Presbyterian Epiacopal Baptiat Lutheran Methodist Lutheran Methodist tZ>' £.8 a III £ * J FREKPOKT 91 80 77 59 Sf< BALDWIN 81 ao •^¦^ ^s. 11 H o ¦ 490 398 403 396- 340 4^2 343 I $409.85 ' carry on the big work the Red Cross I — ~^ must be ready to do in the hear fut- ' Leaving a balance of $521.24 i ure. i cut flowers to accompany cakes to I jfranted. I Respectfully Submitted. Harvey D. Gibson, general manag-i hospital. | Salary of Joseph Raynor, fireman at I "^'¦^*' nights each week, .Mondays, i CAROLINE T. HARHINGTON, er of the American Red Cross, told; Mrs. Charles Young's auto to take j power house, raised to $80 per month, j ^®<^|]*'^»y^ »«'* Saturdays. This ; April 8, 1918. Chairman, about what the Red Cross is doing for j our reserve cakes to hospital. the American soldier.- W. O. Seaman, books. P.*i>:.»»;... P<ww1 D.IU, M-« O-il Ethan Allen presided at the after I Wi!I»m G. Miller, books. ^ « ¦ u ^^^ .^ ' noon session which was not over when | S. C. Masters^ $1 to "smoke fund." Following 18 the program for the ^^e dinner hour arrived. Freeport | We Hke to list all the«e contribu- f ood rally at the Grove Street Sejiool ^ Branch was well represented by a j tions t». show our numerous friends °"**yP- I. , « u i delegation of six oflicers and chair- interested in the work. Selection, ^High Jkrhool ^Orchesjxa.j^gj, j^" Ijg^y L. Maxson, Mrs. Al-1 The following cash contributions «i.i ^"^^r*"' ^- H- Van Orden. repre-'. j™j" T""£,^;^^n'i,™'H;7ry"'^b^ boen received smce last report H S sentative from New York oflice of the j j," Bertha Knobel, Mrs. Dell Por- ! H. J, Raymore Food Administration. , - .. . ^ . Song, "Hooverize," composed Cornelius Van Rees. School Notes The following pupils have neither been absent nor tardy, have had ex¬ cellent deportment and have attained The Bellmore Theatre is now open | an average of H!>'-< in their school work for the month of April: . Room 1 -Lucile Dewar, MarioB instead of $77 50 as before. i Saturday evening the attraction will j Murray. George Britton. Adam Yulch appointed member of''>^ William S. Hart in "The Primal Room 2-Charies Offerman, Fran- the village police force. i Lure." ces Jonasch, Theodora Wright, Mary Foster Seaman appointed regular! B.iidwin, Robert Greaves, George policeman. '"''• *"'" **"• Sidney Benson of | Otto, Andrew Rogers. Genevieve Bor- byi No. 1 appointed village oflicers, spe¬ cial: George E. Seaman, WHIiam H. Edwards, George Gissell, Archie $1.00 i Post, Charles E. MilWr. ter and Mrs. Fred Story. i Ladies' Committee, May 11 2.00 ] The follMring w^men appointed The Nassau County Chapter asksjS. H. Swezey 3.00 | first femaW police officers of .the vil- for volunteers in the clerical depart-' Ladies'Committee, Sunday night 3.501 lage: Annie Bond Raymore, Phebe Address, Miss Olga E. Goehler,, "^"t to give their time for ten days ! Our Duty Men j A. Scholey. .^ t ... . . ._u. I ^ ^^^ weeks from 9 a, ra, to 5 p. m. i Our schedule for Men on Duty is' ^, I No business experience is necesaary I now working nicely. We can, how-1 11 j i..,^^ I "* as the work is refilling of the last | ever, use all who are willing to gi«re UnClamiea L.eners Conservation drill, by scholars of! membership drive list Ten people 1 some regular time to the work; Be-1 (Frt>eport Poat OSce) The "following members of Patrol | ^'¦»<*'''J:" ,,*^«,'?®^ t^^l'^J"" """""erj el, Helen Jonasch, Kathryn PhilHp*. home on Newbridge Road for the sea¬ son. Home Demonstration Agent; subject, "The Food Situation, and how we can help the Food Administration." Room S—Wilton May, Donald j Bowne, Robert Miller, Mildred De- Iwar, Dorothea Goodnough, Agnes Rogers, Irene Marino. Room 4—Howard Baitow, Helen Otto, Mary Driggs, May Mnkahy, Rinaldo Phillips. , A speaking and essay writing con- ROCKVILLE CENTRE Lutheran 36 492 Methodiat 76 382 Baptist 66 363 Pr«8byt^riBn ^^ '^^1 Average of Totala—Fraaport 406 1-5, Baldwin 407H, RockviUe Centre 379%. ^^ school. Laea, broad toa, wait sole, rubber heel; price $8.00. 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Red Cross drive will begin on Monday and F^reeport muat raiae ten theueand for this important work; that is Just a little over one dollar fc every man, woinan and child in this Tillage, and after all, it is little enough for aa lo do.
The Red Cross is the real Angel of Mercy in thia war, and stands out above all this cruelty as a shining ex- ' ample that in tbis war all the humani¬ ty has not been squeezed out «f the world.
Elvin N. Edwards has been ap¬ pointed by Colonel Roosevelt as the chairman of the second war fund drive, and the time is so short that it ^.. is almost impossible to plan, careful¬ ly, a full working organization.
RED CROSS IWreS
Neighborhood Workers
a Necessary Factor The Freeport Branch acknowledges
, ¦ I)n Village Life, ^''th thanks the following contribu- (Special Contribution) '»'»«« ^ the Red Cross:
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(monthly) Miss Nellie Anderson
(monthly) Mrs. Arthur P. Davisson
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- Mike Colera
- Cibolo, TX
- United States
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Why is there so much vitriol expressed by TED contributors in conversations on contentious subjects?
I have been a contributor to many conversations. I am opinionated,and I freely express those opinions. I even try to add some facts to support my opinions. Or, at least some logical rational.
Why are so many comments laced with words and phrases like "Stupid, Idiot, unschooled, bible thumping redneck, and many I won't repeat here. Some rise to the level of threat to do bodily harm and death wishes. I know there are subjects that raise passion. I know that in a rage, words are typed. OK! However, there is a delete key and an opportunity to read your words before you hit submit. Been there, done that.
Still, these words and phrases continue to show up. I don't know why.
It's rude, uncivilized and worse, name calling has never strengthen an argument.
Can anyone explain why this happens and why it should be accepted?
PS. I know there is a process where we can ask the TED system to review and delete improper comments, I haven't done that because no one else seems disturbed. Am I wrong to question such comments?
Closing Statement from Mike Colera
I came to a conclusion yesterday as I thought about all that had transpired in this conversation. I expressed my appreciation to all the participants. As I give it more thought, many comments were similar to my conclusions that vile name calling was an uncalled for comment. A few suggested that when ... you play with fiery topics, you get burned. I understand great passion and excitement but I was not comfortable with those comments.
Thanks to all participants again.
Everett Hill
Jun 9 2013: To add to previous comments, part of the understanding of how we communicate is not just the reading and editing of what we might say, but also in how we receive the information that is projected towards us.
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I will say, that this forum is probably the most civil I have been involved with and I prefer it due to that. On the other hand, you have a group of people who are passionate about their cause and are willing to write about it. Otherwise, they simply would not spend time here. And frankly, we need more fired up passionate people in this world to get things done. Passionate people also get fired up and don't necessarily "check" themselves when writing. Myself included.
So, part of our responsibility is to check ourselves when reading the comments. I learned this a long time ago. We should assume that the writer of the comments meant things in a positive light, not an attack on you personally. Or that they addressed the content not you. If we look at writing in this light, not as a personal attack, then the understanding of how the discussion progresses is different.
Jun 9 2013: Everett,
you hit the nail on the head with taking responsibility. We're all adults, here, for pete's sake. Like you say, it could be that "they addressed the content not you", but when we are indeed passionate about a belief, then that's the same thing.
It's about taking responsibility, acting like grown-ups, and reminding ourselves that we don't have voices and gestures and facial expressions to accompany what's being said.Jun 9 2013: Everett and Lizanne,
I agree that communication is a two way street, with both the writer and reader being involved in the end result. I also agree that with electronic communications, we are missing some valuable parts of communications.....tone, facial expressions, body language, etc. There are also many different styles of communication. I often read a comment several times before replying to make sure I can understand the writers intent as much as possible.
Most of the TED community are indeed adults, and it is reasonable to anticipate seeing respectful comments:>)
Jun 10 2013: Hi Everett, Lizanne and Colleen,
I agree with all of you - it's ideas, arguments and contributions that are adressed here, not the author personally but due to the fact that this is not personal, face-to-face communication some comments or replies can be misunderstood - we do not have the gestures, facial expressions here, as you point out. Happened to me before :)
On the other hand this may also be a good thing. In some situations, if a person is tired, not feeling well etc. the gestures and facial expressions can actually be misleading as well, can be mistaken for lack of interest, disagreement or not being passionate enough. Cultural differences cannot be underestimated as well as this is a global community - what is a friendly gesture in one part of the world can actually be interpreted as sign of agression elsewhere.
What I'm trying to point out is that at times written communication can actually be more effective when it is discussion around the content that is important. In face-to-face contact people sometimes need much more time to express the content. Or can get socially awkward and their ability or courage to express it can be limited, that might happen when the focus is more on connecting with others, not concentrating on the issue, but still...
However, I do agree that even while writing people tend to get fired up, even here and that's perfectly natural when they feel strongly about the issue. Some people scream, some get involved in heated discussions, some just type fast and firmly and click 'submit' before revising or checking themselves. The difference in this forum is that you can edit and delete, these options are not available when speaking or at other fora and not everybody likes to ask the quite common question "What did you mean?" Some just shake their head and walk away.
And yes, Everett, we're lucky that there are so many people who are passionate about important issues, the world would be far worse off without them.
Jun 10 2013: Indeed, Anna, I get what you're saying.
Our emotions can also sometimes hinder or hide what we're actually trying to say. Our typed opinions, embellished with a smiley here and there, are to the point, also thanks to the anonymity. Face-to-face discussions can become confrontations, purely based on the look on someone's face.
It's all about taking a moment before hitting that 'submit' button.Jun 12 2013: I think this is the real world,TED community is no difference between the community we live in.How do you feel when you hear an abusive word on the street,or in a movie? You want to criticize them or ignore them?
It's hard to too criticize someone without a strict or offensive word,when you do so,you give them an excuse to take advantage of their abusive talking habit.That's what I call mutual communication.As an old Chinese saying reads,be needing two palms to clap.
Thus,I think the best way to respond to an abusive word,is to ignore it.A reasonable people would be ashamed if he/she talks in a way can not be contained,while other people talk in a civilized way.On the other hand,people utter venomous or offensive words are intending to be noticed,to be talked about,to provoke other's rage.When we let them be they will subside on their own.
I believe most TED members are reasonable and polite.At least I haven't talk to someone who abuses his/her word.
Jun 13 2013: "Be needing two palms to clap". That is an interesting Chinese saying Jaden.
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There is a quote I also like regarding bad behavior in others.
It says, "you can not control others, but you can always control yourself".
In other words, like you said, we have the choice to ignore other's behaviors or words.
Why add fuel to the fire?Jun 20 2013: " I think this is the real world,TED community is no difference between the community we live in.How do you feel when you hear abusive word on the street,or in a movie? You want to criticize them or ignore them?"
I think in real life, we tend to size up the person we want to criticize as to how much impact their fist might have on our body. Then we determine the degree of challenge. In this virtual reality, we don't have to consider such physical aspects.
But we do have to consider the impact the mind can have on others who may agree with someone else, at our personal expense.Jun 10 2013: Something to consider:
The fact I can't find anything to good to say about you is irrelevant.
The fact no one can find anything good to say about you is something worth considering.
Everett Hill
Jun 8 2013: My experience over the years with this has been that people don't know how to have a civil discourse on issues.
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We have forgotten how to fight fair. Instead of seeking to understand content of the conversation, we attack the character. We don't address the issue we go after the person, why? Because that is what we have become accustomed too.
More importantly, we have forgotten how to disconnect what we put out there as information from what we believe. When we put information out there, we are only providing others with information to work with. However, we become personally attached to it and add personal attributes such as "that is my idea" to it. When "our idea" comes under attack, we take it personally. Often, the conversations become very personal because the person takes it personally rather than realizing that our idea is under attack, not us.
My personal experience is that people take too much possession of their idea and respond as though personally attacked thus escalating the conversation to more.Jun 21 2013: Contention, anger, personal bias, hopes and dreams. These are some of the many human perplexities involved in sending a message from one to others.
All, in all, it is the message that is important. The means of conveying that message is simply a tool, like a boat. The gulf of understanding that lies between people is like a river. You use the boat to cross the river, then you no longer need the boat anymore, unless, of course, you will cross it again.
Some people are not content to get where they are going, or have no real destination in mind. It's all about the boat. They need to travel in style, utilizing a Yacht to cross a creek when a simple log or rowboat will suffice. They have no real message and they can be contentious when this is pointed out to them.
Religious people, at least, have a message, be it real or not. The uneducated, have a message also, usually a message of complaint or a request to be included in the social media. What they are saying, or trying to say is the important issue the Educated should focus on, their message, not how they say it.
They real benefit of an education is the ability to understand others and convey, their, needs in a non-contentious manner, or help them to understand the complexities of life when simple language will not suffice. The Educated have a duty to humanity to rectify the wrongs, explain the complex, and discover the paths that lead to progress. It is a duty, a responsibility that comes with the package. Unless, of course, they choose to be selfish, which is a valid, but unworthy choice.Jun 20 2013: Some have not had the benefits of a classical education, and thus can't express themselves through language, thought, and the presentation of an idea or concept, and so revert to the lowest common denominator.
They do that, because like you, everyone else is trying to make a point.
What they have yet to figure out, and when you realize this, you realize there is no point in making a point, as it's all just a point of view. But a lot of people need to hold onto something, no matter how intangible or intractable that idea maybe. As to loose that, can for some mean loosing or relinquishing the one tenant they have lived by, no matter what the argument or alternative point of view presented nor how eloquently expressed, as it would implicitly imply they would be disavowing their own minds processes.
Jun 20 2013: Well said Tify,
I think there is no point in being so totally attached to our own point of view that we become contentious when someone disagrees. It is not the subject that is contentious, but rather the way in which we discuss the subject.
I believe that when a person identifies with a certain thought, feeling, idea or opinion as the one and only point of view, s/he sometimes has to "prove" that point of view one way or another, and that is when one may "revert to the lowest common denominator", as you insightfully say.
You say....."...that, can for some mean loosing or relinquishing the one tenant they have lived by.... it would implicitly imply they would be disavowing their own minds processes."
I agree, and this may cause a questioning........"what have I believed in"...."why have I believed as I do"....etc. etc.
This questioning can be an opportunity to learn and grow.....or.....it can be reason for anger in oneself.Jun 21 2013: People like that are not usually found on ted. They don't know how to type. There are, however, many people with a Classical Education that apparently wasted their time going to school. I've seen some of those around here.
Collen made a very astute statement in a previous post, "...I think there is no point in being so totally attached to our own point of view that we become contentious when someone disagrees..."
But, this is easily stated, rather then accomplished.
Regardless of education, people are pretty much the same throughout society when we classify our base personalities. Those with a richer education, regardless wither they obtained it via some formal setting or over time with self-study, should have no excuse for arousing contention when they have the social tools and education to forestall it. They have no excuse for being mean at all. Yet, shrouded in the words of some, highly Literate personalities, we find the very same base, inexcusable, hints and innuendos. They are are so practiced at using these hate words/phrases, stated in a subtle manner, they fail to see the same characteristics they attribute to others within themselves.
They tend to become very emotional in a virtual world such as we are in now. They can't use the venue of writing to put forth a message or idea without the use of emphasis tools like Capitalization, more than three dots --to name a couple of the elements of their fixation
It demonstrates a physiological need to be understood. They are willing to slap aside anyone they consider a contender to their point of view. There is always a hint of belittlement in their words with catchy phrases like, "you don't understand", "you should actually read the link", and my favorite, "you obviously misunderstood what they really mean". And, most of these people are very classically educated.
Jun 21 2013: re: There is, however, many people with a Classical Education...
Should be "There are, however, many people with a Classical Education..."
Benefits of a Classical Education. ...lol :)
Just couldn't resist the subtle humour of it,while adding some levity. I hope you can laugh at it too.
Jun 21 2013: Yes, my plural distinctions can get a tad Colloquialised when I'm talking to my (Deep South) mother-in-law and typing at the same time.
By the way, if you "had" a classical education do you still "have" it? Logic, plurals and passivity can be a problem sometimes, can't they? :)
People with a classical education need to work harder to prove they have one.Jun 14 2013: Social Neuroscience states, that when we are confronted with the differences in opinion, the chemicals, that are released in the brain are the same ones that try to ensure our survival in dangerous situations. In this defensive state, the more primitive part of the brain interferes with rational thinking and limbic system can nock out most of our working memory, physically causing narrow-mindedness.
Voila ! :)
Mike Colera
Jun 14 2013: Sure, that's the science, but we are supposed to be rational beings and able to control our emotions when the threat is not an immediate danger to our physical well-being but just some #@&*$$# calling us names. Then we have to type a response in a little box that is barely legible, correct the numerous mistakes in spelling and then scroll down to hit submit. I think the worse of us can calm down and find a more civil way to respond. Just saying.
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Jun 15 2013: Sure, we should and we'd better :)
But i guess, there is a kind of ultimate solution, which is difficult to implement, but it solves a lot of problems before they even emerge :
tame the Ego !
It lessens the chances to insult and be insulted dramatically.
Please, don't take me wrong, i am not one of those who managed ( not even close :) ), but i think it's the right direction to move.
Thanks for responding !
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Jun 16 2013: Your comment hits the nail on the head, which, is the place to hit a nail for best results:)
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http://www.ted.com/talks/iain_mcgilchrist_the_divided_brain.htmlJun 14 2013: Interesting Natasha, and it makes sense!
Mike's idea also makes sense....."we are supposed to be rational beings and able to control our emotions.........calm down and find a more civil way to respond...."
Could it be that what you describe Natasha is more instinctive, and what Mike describes takes a little more awareness?
I believe that as thinking, feeling intelligent humans, we are evolving beyond the basic instinctive responses, and we do indeed have the ability to be more aware of our actions/interactions/words/responses....etc.
Jun 15 2013: Colleen, it's the way science tries to explain it, not the way i try to justify rudeness.
Jun 15 2013: I don't perceive you trying to justify rudeness Natasha:>) I think many human behaviors involve instinct, intuition, logical, rational, reasoning, and probably a lot more than we even realize:>)
Wil Hunt
Jun 12 2013: "Can anyone explain why this happens and why it should be accepted?"
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I don't think it should be accepted, but I can tell you what others have said about it. On a popular cigarette package years ago, was this initialism: LSMFT. On the cigarette package it stood for Lucky Strikes Mean Find Tobacco. One writer said that it also stood for Low Self-Esteem Mean Friction and Trouble.
In short, it's low self esteem, then, that brings out the worst in some.
Here's another bit of wisdom: "We act or fail to act to enhance our own ego." When some feel that their ego, or self-worth, or self-image has been attacked, they attack back.
Jun 12 2013: I find your comment very insightful.
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A few minutes ago I was reading a reply to a comment I made in another conversation.
The TEDster said, and I quote, "This post has nothing to do with the subject".
When I first read it, I thought that he was referring to my post, and I felt a little bit hurt and insulted, because my post had alot to do with the matter at hand.
However, when I read his comment again, I realized he was talking about his post, not mine.
My comment had reminded him of something else, and he jumped in and shared the information.
Sometimes, online, it is good to read, and reread what others write, and give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Jun 13 2013: Good point Kate:>)
Labeling, catagorizing people, and harsh words are often a clear sign of low self-worth and insecurity. People tell us a LOT about themselves with the labels they try to give us:>)
Jun 14 2013: Hi there Kate!!
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Long time no see. Hope you are well.
Thanks for your comment Kate.
You bring out some very good points, and I totally agree.
A friend of mine always uses the illustration of a shoemaker when discussing conversations.
He says, when you are reading information in online conversations, or in a group, remember:
If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't fit, don't worry about it, it's not your shoe.
It's good not to overthink things. Stay lighthearted and enjoy the interchange of ideas and insights.
Take what builds you up, discard the rest.....
Paranoia can set in very quickly if you have low self esteem. It's best not to take what others say too seriously......I learned that from someone here on TED.
Talk to you soon Kate.!Jun 9 2013: Name calling? Vitriol? Among TEDsters? Where?
I have actually seen very little of the above, or not enough to be disturbed. I'm either new or completely inexperienced here. Maybe I'm deluding myself. Or maybe I'm not a TEDster but a TEDdy... Or a combination.
Jun 9 2013: Whatever you would like to call yourself Anna, I'm glad you are here. I agree with you in that most people comment with kindness and respect:>)
Jun 9 2013: Thanks, CS :)Jun 10 2013: I had a boss once who told me that making the highest score on the companies test was an indication that you could create a better lie about why you were not giving your all to the job.
Simple words like "stupid" will not often be found around the TED site but, you find their substitutes disguised in phrases like: "...if you would only read the research or view the video or listen to the audio, you would understand how wrong you are..."
Because we are emotional creatures, this emotion wells up from time to time to a level not really intended. That's why we have an edit and delete button on the comments section.
Some of us claim to use this facility and take time to think, but not always. Often, yes. Always, no.
Sometimes if you don't like someone, you might find yourself opposing their view, even if the view is valid. That's just our nature. It creeps into almost every communications technology we create. Sometimes, people are more self-centered than they can notice themselves or really don't have a valid opinion on the subject and just want to be noticed. I try to notice everyone but not always the way they want it.
I have found, if you stay with it, eventually you learn the rules of the game and become a better commentor. Practice makes perfect. With that in mind, those with the most experience should make some allowence for those with the least.
Many commenters don't have a valid Email address in their profile. I use mine often and usually have more indepth conversations about a subject, than can be civilly accomplished in the public venue. Even when someone is adamantly in disagreement with me, they appear more calm and open to discussion in the Email.
Sometimes (don't you love the word "sometimes"), I get Email responses from people I never get a comment from or see them comment in any discussion. People are shy... sometimes. :)
Jun 10 2013: I agree with you, all of that is true. We're not machines, we are emotional creatures that suffer from cognitive imperfections and dissonance. Some don't have opinions, just seek attention, some shy away from attention but have strong views - people are different and their awareness of themselves vary.
However, especially here, I try to liberate myself from WHO is giving me the content and concentrate on the content itself. I'm saying this because of what you said about reacting to valid views negatively because of our opinion or feeling about the provider of the view.
Example - do you remember the talk by Kid President - We all need a pep-talk? I typed my comment to this talk, then scrolled down and saw quite a different one saying, in brief, "what is THIS doing on TED?!" This quite firm, critical, even harsh comment was rated quite high by others which made be frown. I do not believe that the speaker cared much, that's not what I'm saying :) It's possible that the harsh commenters (whom I have nothing against) expected an expert an a subject and the comment in question was a consequence of their discontent or dissatisfaction, mine was just content-base (so wait the minute, what the kid is saying is this BUT this and that and so on...)
When it comes to your boss - I've never heard anything similar, that's interesting. But what was the test?
You can have a look at this talk, it's not completely unrelated since it's about communication and the word lie is mentioned - "Remi has never told a lie..."
Yes, I like to word 'sometimes' too, I also prefer frequently and rarely to always or never. Always and never are promises... at least frequently, but not always - sometimes you can use 'always' :)
Jun 10 2013: I understand completely what you are saying Anna. There is some resonance in what you say with what I said.
The boss thing relates to an actual event that happened in one of my Job interviews. It was an electronics firm in the early 80's and I got all the answers correct on the test.
I was a bit full of myself and this annoyed the Tester who replied that bit of philosophy to me.
It goes towards being too smart and how this can work against you. Intelligence can be applied in behaviors that are good, bad or in between. Sometimes in the business world they don't want someone who is too smart because they could be hard to handle or control.
Sometimes when we think we are helping someone by giving them advice about the way they write a comment, it could appear condescending to them, even when we mean well. I have been guilty of this, many times.
You can always use sometimes if that is what you mean or can't think of an appropriate word. :)
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Jun 12 2013: That pretty well takes care of TED. I'd look into something to do with junk mail in your email client. I use Thunderbird and Firefox. What are you using?Jun 8 2013: Mike
I agree with a lot of folks here, that editing your emotions, especially when they're heated, is sort of censoring yourself.
But at the end of the day, there is a fine line between a heated reply, and down-right abuse.
If I feel irritation about a comment, I usually wait a day to let it sink before replying. That tends to help me get my thoughts sorted out before I even get the chance to insult anybody, (I hope!)
Jun 8 2013: If I personally ever have, I apologize! Yet I can not remember ever insulting someone on TED, partly because people on TED are usually a lot more friendly than the people in the "Youtube Comment" area. (In other words : "Reciprocity") The cause of this could be due to the "anonymity" and the "social identity" associated with Youtube which could encourage certain forms of (negative) behaviour, or it could even be caused by the lack of responsibility or deterrents (a Leviathan). It's worth mentioning that this is a pure hypothesis.
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While the best reason I could give a reason, it would be the amazing human ability to rationalize (or justify) our actions after we had committed them (and then distort our memory), or the human ability to find it difficult to admit we are wrong.
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Jun 10 2013: Guess I have a bad memory then don't I?
I personally can't remember calling you anything insulting, if I have please tell me where and when.
Your comment is also slightly ironic if you don't mind me saying, considering you have insulted people (maybe unintentionally) in the past. However I am not here to debate this issue here.Jun 10 2013: Oh okay.
You are talking about the comment where I claimed you stating that you wanted to lock Colleen Steen in a room was unnecessary? That isn't offensive in anyway (towards you)! I didn't make any insult directed towards you.
It was just simply stating the comment was unnecessary. I never called you " cruel", and "offensive" ". That is twisting my words. I said the comment was cruel and offensive (from my perception), which is different from saying you are "cruel" or "offensive".
I have never insulted anybody directly on TED.
So yes I do quite comfortably claim innocence, unless you can prove otherwise.
Prove that I insulted you that is. Unless you copy and paste it, I shall claim innocence.
" there will always be someone whose perception does not resonate with our own."
That's true. :)
Jun 10 2013: Bernard,
For what it is worth, you are one of the most respectful members of TED that I have interacted with for years, and considering you are also one of the youngest members.....KUDOS to you my friend:>)
To clarify....I was the one who said Chris Kelly's threat to lock me in a room with Don Wesley felt cruel to ME. I wholeheartedly agree Bernard, that Chris's comment was unnecessary.Jun 12 2013: Cris Kelly,
You "missed the mark" , (as you insightfully write) on your original comment, and you "missed the mark" again on this comment.
I did not go off topic, and in fact, was trying to keep DW on topic. If you recall the conversation, throughout his angry tirade of accusations, I kept telling DW that no matter what he writes, I have compassion and empathy for him. You then made a comment about "passive aggressive".
As you state in a comment on this thread...
"I think we should develop a softer attitude."
You talk about it Chris, I practice it....walk the talk....and it might be helpful to leave your anger outside the door when you come into a new discussion:>)Jun 8 2013: Why: Different human reactions to challenges about beliefs, validity of arguments, value of an opinion, or author's projected emotions.
Should it be accepted?: I think abuse should not be tolerated, but censorship of opinion laced with emotion might take away from some responses. The moderator's opinion about what is abusive is probably the baseline.
If you are disturbed by something you read, I think you should use whatever process is in place to call attention to it or similarly correct the problem. Your opinion counts. Inaction will only enable a problem to escalate.Jun 8 2013: better to have an emotive and flawed response than a bureaucratic-style regurgitation of bookish terminology that says nothing. newspeak sux. get emotive and swear a little. then, at least, i'll know you care..
edward long
Jun 8 2013: That is the most poorly thought-out expression I have ever heard come from a supposedly human mind. Are you totally void of sensibility and real-world experience? Did your parents have all under-achieving children? . . . JUST KIDDING SCOTT. I was trying-out your philosophy. It feels harmful, unproductive, and contentious. I apologize.
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Jun 8 2013: i take your point.
despite the hysteria caused by the internet and the digital "revolution" that has allowed everyone the opportunity to pipe up, most opinions are not worth reading or listening to let alone responding to.
i'm working at responding rather than reacting but those pesky emotions do have a way of pushing to the front of the line.
that's one area where the robots have us beat. let's hope empathy and sympathy don't rely too heavily on being able to experience emotion..
Jun 10 2013: Scott, I know I can be so stupid at times so you should overlook me if you notice this aptitude, but, could you please rewrite or explain the last sentence?
"...that's one area where the robots have us beat. let's hope empathy and sympathy don't rely too heavily on being able to experience emotion.."Jun 21 2013: Hi collen Steen. I read the posted link to a differentiation of PA that you suggested. The very first explanation was "Passive-aggressive behavior is a general term used in many contexts." Does this imply that there may be more than one way to look at or define Passive Aggressive Behavior?
I did focus on this explanation because it appears to match some personalities I've experienced on TED.
"Passive-aggressive may also refer to a person who denies (in the sense of "refuses to acknowledge") his or her own aggression (in the sense of "agency"), and who manages that denial by projecting it. This type of person insists on seeing himself or herself as the blameless victim in all situations."
Hey, We've seen a few of these right?
Jun 21 2013: Hi John Moonstroller:>)
Exactly! "Passive-aggressive behavior is a general term used in many contexts."
Yes, I agree....there is more than one way to look at, or define passive aggressive behavior.
That is why I posted the link to the meaning, and that is why I made the statement...
Colleen Steen
Jun 13 2013:
" Even the very best psychotherapist would not attempt to diagnose anyone based on comments made in an on-line forum. I don't know how or why these folks think they can label and diagnose."
Yes John, you are right. We often see projection:>)Jun 17 2013: There is a number of reasons I think, Culture, beliefs, educational status, personal experience, narcissism, delusions, even psychological and yes ego.
TED is a place/forum/society if you like that wishes to be able to improve ( I shall not use change)the world/civillisation for the better, and there are a lot of people here who are capable of that.
But then saying that you still have a forum that can be used anonymously and the more cowardly can hide behind.,
Even the most perceived intellectually astute and supposedly civilised and aware of us are not free of basic prejudices and opinions.
Some of us (myself included) do not tolerate fools easily and although someone may not be foolish the way they voice their opinion may make them look so and then it opens the doors for retribution.
People generally react first and think after ( and then usually regret it)
In the words of Monty Python
"Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space because there's bugger all down here on earth."
No matter how smart or forward thinking we believe we have come we still have a long way to go
Jun 17 2013: Hi Morgan! Nice to see you again:>)
We have participated together in a couple conversations which demonstrated the human behaviors you mention above!
We all have the ability to change, and in my perception, it is a matter of choice. We can be as aware and informed as we choose to be regarding any topic. Some people have more communication skills, some people have more...or less... respect for each other....the possibilities go on and on............
I agree that one of the main reasons for poor communications is that people often comment with a knee jerk reaction, rather than being clear with what they want to communicate. We need to be clear in ourselves before we can communicate clearly with others. I believe that is why we sometimes see people contradicting themselves, appearing to be foolish, and as you say, if there is a forum to anonymously hide behind, false profile (or several in some cases), sometimes people tend to not think before hitting "submit".
I totally agree......we can all improve.....nice chatting with you again....hope things are good in your part of the world:>)
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Jun 14 2013: Agreed ! :)Jun 14 2013: Thank You.
It is what I should have looked like when I was a baby.
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Jun 15 2013: I am sure this is how you truly looked....and if you came to believe differently....then that is because all those early mirrors and lenses reflecting your image were dusty and rusty.Jun 13 2013: Hi Mike,
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This is a good topic, and we see some of the name calling and "vitriol" surfacing right here. I agree with you that name calling has never strengthened an argument. In fact, it usually gets the comment removed by the TED moderators, and/or puts an end to what otherwise could be an interesting conversation. A person's time and energy is kind of wasted with name calling and labeling.
Another type of "name calling" that is used by some folks, when they do not agree with us, is to label people with personality disorders, mental challenges and/or behaviors. Even the very best psychotherapist would not attempt to diagnose anyone based on comments made in an on-line forum. I don't know how or why these folks think they can label and diagnose.
The folks who are having a discussion about passive aggressive behavior on this thread have labeled some folks as having this behavior, when we do not agree with them. It very obviously weakens their arguments, and is not at all constructive to any conversation, so it seems kind of foolish that they would continue this labeling behavior.
Chris Kelly names one good reason for this to happen....projection. Another good comment of his is about a "Ted clique". I haven't experienced this concept, but based on the conversation below about passive aggressive people, it seems like at least one "clique" of some sort does indeed exist:>)
Was this thread meant to be a psychological analysis of other people? Most issues are better resolved when we take responsibility for our own behaviors, rather than blaming others.
Jun 13 2013: I really wasn't trying to get into the depths of most comments being made. I had seen some "sharp" comments made in response on a couple of ... what could be called "controversial" subjects. What made me question these comments was that they really weren't applicable and just mean in my view.
For example. I believe that there are members of TED who comment are committed Christians, ,Muslims and Jews. God bless them. There are others, Hindus, Sheikhs, more then I can list and lets not forget Agnostics and Atheist. They all have beliefs.. Most beliefs cannot be verified. So what do I read? "you can't prove your comment, you ........ you!" Why such a comment.?
I could gone on in a dozen different examples that seem to attract these kinds of comments. As many have said, they don't enhance the conversation.
Jun 13 2013: I agree Mike, that conversations about religion and god seem to attract the most controversial comments. I also agree with you that most beliefs cannot be verified.
I observe that some people present their personal beliefs as if it is verifiable as the one and only truth, which often causes a challenge. I think it would help if people realize and accept the fact that there are MANY different beliefs, as you have acknowledged in your comment.
I have lots of friends and relatives who believe in, and practice many different religious and philosophical beliefs. They do not preach, and constantly try to convert me, as we see happen here on TED at times. I've been told I am the devil, evil, uninformed, not very intelligent, etc. etc., because I do not believe in a god.
I have stated MANY times that I respect people and their beliefs, if the belief and practice does not adversly impact other people. This statement and perception on my part, often gets me the label of "passive aggressive".
ALL communications take two or more people to have a respectful, productive outcome.....true?Jun 20 2013: Most would argue their belief is valid even though the evidence they point to is over 2000 years old.Jun 20 2013: Suitability is another means of disenfranchising someone. Some people use it all the time, thinking no one notices. But we do notice.
Telling someone the don't know what they are talking about is a form of labeling someone also. Especially if neither party is an expert on the subject. Yet, for the opportunity to pun someone, another will suggest they lack knowledge about the subject or miss the true understanding.
Jun 11 2013: Oh no! C'mon John, someone has to stand up for the other side! Sticks and stones and all that...Jun 10 2013: It could be possible, as Chris Kelly points out, that we distort our memory in quite an egotistical way to make us always seem in the right. Which is problematic to any situation, considering it stops us from taking responsibility for our actions if we don't even know we had done something bad!Jun 10 2013: Finally Cris Kelly, a video I watched all the way through and really enjoyed. :)
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Jun 10 2013: Hey, it was a cool video (for a change).
I just deleted my google account.
I'm done with them.
This NSA thing has me upset.Jun 10 2013: Chris, check this old article I wrote a long time ago and tell me if you think is has any relevance to the world of today? http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8876365-a-new-middle-east-is-coming
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Jun 10 2013: Mike,
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This post is specifically addressed to you.
By reading all the comments, whether they agree with you or not, ALL OF THEM ARE VERY CORDIAL to you, There wasn't any trace of disrespect here. So maybe the vitriol or verbal abuse occurred only when you touched their nerves, so to speak to induce their anger; justified or not. So I would respectfully suggest that if you find such nonsense again, post you argument only once, and if it seems to be a bad response, just reply that you don't think that there could not be any further fruitful discussion/exchange, and you just refuse to engage in any more activities.
Respectfully yours,
Jun 11 2013: Bart,
Not all of the shots were at me. They were all over the place. I just thought that there were too many at too many. I consider myself as pretty thick skinned. And I have done as you suggested, left discussions when I felt that I could not add anything useful to the conversation.
Thank You

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I think the thing that made Legends amazing was that it was small and the gamemasters truly wanted to make the players dreams come true--and they had the power to do so.
yeah, it was quite a bit of fun, over the years I played it.. I still remember my first night in the game. I had no idea what I was doing really. I did something bad on that first night, with my first character.
Some evil baddy had put a bomb, or something in the Adventurer's Guild, or in the Medical building, I don't remember which off hand.. Well, I was just heading to teh AG, because I had just created the character, and needed to go train him for the first time.. Well, the bady was a vampire, or something if I remember right, and came across my new character, and attacked me.. Well, I logged out when that happened, because I wasn't expecting it. I came back a little bit later, though no one said anything to me about what I did.. I did learn though, that, it wasn't a good thing to disconnect when in combat, and that it was very frowned upon. I didn't learnt hat there in LOFP, but I never did it again after that, especially once I realized that it was an event, and not just some random character attacking me.
I had a lot of other good experiences in the game though. I would have to say my most favorite though, is when Sierron was pretty much second in command of the Shadowmancers, and Montar was running a storyline of the Shadowmancer's ancient magic, Starmagic, and Sierron was stronger than anyone else in the 'mancers in controling it, though pretty much, the others seemed content to only let Sierron attempt any of the Starmagic stuff, and he was pretty much taken under Necrovian's wing, and mentored by it.
Other favorites were when over the mindlink, in the Wastes, Sierron asked for a demon priest to come and perform a wedding between himself, and Tashina, and a GM actually made a demon priest, and performed the ceremony.
When Sierron was younger, around 10th level, a GM made Vashaska the Banshee queen from the Banshee tree in Grymwood, actually come out of the tree, when Sierron ran away from her, because he was nearly dead.
When Lor became a werewolf, and the whole brainwolf scenario that Damnthing did. That was quite a bit of fun too, and also when the dark horseman attacked Lor, and some others in Grymwood, and Kai and Camorra allowed Lor to keep the axe that was found on him. That was one of my favorite weapons in the game.
When Sierron and I can't remember his name, the master goul from the planes, has a little competition going. The ghoul was out to kill other ghouls, and absorb there essense. Sierron decided he would help himself to some of that essense as well, and he got the essense of one of the ghouls before the elder ghoul could get it. Also, during the same scenario, a little later on, the ghoul destroyed Hemoth, and Sierron got 1/3rd of Hemother's essense while the ghoul got 1/3rd and the last 1/3 was destroyed by.. can't remember her name, but the goddess of life, because one of her priests asked her to.
There are a lot more good times I remember, and will post more later, if wanted
While I was only in LOFP for a few years, it has many fun lasting memories even 10 years later.
The people, both in front of and behind the scenes, made the game.
From Sierron and Phelan to Nissa and Herbie, there was a wide range of personalities and playing styles that made it one of the most immersive experiences I have had in a MMORPG.
I spent so much time exploring both topographically and sociographically that I never did achieve much
The once upon a time Schrodinger's Cat.
more memories.
Another of some of the fun things I remember. White Sierron was a vampire, during the event of the blood moon, when vampires could become more powerful. Sierron convinced Linneaus that he was turning good again, which wasn't far from the truth, but he conned Linne into believing it, so he could get some fragments which contained some of I don't remember his name, the god of the poor's blood. Well, Vlad was going to be the vampire that would drink the blood, and sacrafice himself for the others to feed upon him, to grow stronger. Well, Vlad decided he wanted to be stronger as well, and not sacrafice himself. Sierron didn't like that, because it would mean, he'd be left out of becomming stronger this way. I believe Phelan kind of sided with Sierron on it, and took Sierron away from the others, because he still had not handed over the items that contained the blood needed, and waited for the blood moon to pass, thus denying any of the vampiric types a chance to become stronger.
One I know that he hates, if he ever comes here and reads it, but it is still something that was quite fun. Morwynn grabbed Sierron and used a BS II rod, and meant to leave him alone in the Mall under the wastes, but he had no charges left in the rod, and was trapped down there with him. Well, that left him little choice than to help Sierron get out of the Mall as well as himself.
Hmm, can't think of anymore at the moment.
Ahhh memories
I always enjoyed Sierron. Though he always made being a loyal Lawkeeper very difficult (in a fun way) with his many loop holes
Jayd Varion
OMG Lawkeepers! Vashaska! Grymwood! Amazing that I could forget my own creations. (no I never ran events with them and I don't even know what happened to them as the years wore on, I just wrote the original areas.)
Thanks for reminding me. Its been 15 years since I first sat down on the floor of my apartment (no furniture back then) to create what apparently became a beloved world. Of course that wasn't me that did that, it was the GMs and the community itself. Still its gratifying to know what grew from the seeds.
Well, let's see.
Sierron started out following Shaltos, but after becoming undead, when he was just undead from being resurrected as such, then Mosquitoid stole some of Dahkhan's power, and greated an undead crystal gargoyle, which made Sierron a type of vampire that they called Dessicae and gave Sierron a symbol, and Mosquitoid wanted Saryon to be his high priest, though Saryon was a follower of Dahkhan, Saryon and some friends killed and stole Sierron's symbol from Mosquitoid, which let Dahkahn destroy him. Well, some more during the bloodmoon event, when they went to the werewolves to get Shaltos' blood to see if it would be strong enough to use, the werewolves said they remembered Sierron and called him "The Betrayer"
Not sure if anyone remember, but there was someone from the Lorewardens that brought some armor to be a tribute to those in Fayd, well, Sierron and some other Shadowmancers had previously gone to where the armor was forged, and calling on the Starmagic, Sierron had corrupted the forge and metal, so that it would look like the Lorewardens meant harm.. When the Lorewarden brought the armor the citizens, some of us Shadowmancers were invisible in the town square, and activated the armor, so that it would seem to be evil, thus getting those of Fayd to want to kill the Lorewardens, because they thought they meant harm.
A year or two before the game closed, Sierron had fully switched from being evil, to being purely neutral and was intent on following Ordanin who was the new god of balance, replacing the dead Kaliban, the god of the poor quarter.
Let's see, think that is about all I remember, I think my most memorable character over all was Sierron, though I believe Lor was a close second, and LOFP left a lot of lasting memories with me. As long as we remember the game, it shall always live on.
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I still have a folder on my computer tucked away with the entire LOFP database and script files. I copied everything near the end of LOFP so I could always have the memorey. Here is a write up that was a small part of the last events that were run, about my main character. It was run around the Queen of Fayd being wrongly blamed for the cities strife by the townspeople who eventually turned on her.
There Jayd stood staring up at his Queen, tears running down his scarred cheeks, she was badly bruised and bloody from being dragged to this point in the Bazaar. The crowd of citizens was screaming incoherently, rage and death in thier eyes. He could barely hear them for he knew what was going to happen. Every part of his being screamed at him to do something or at least turn away. He would do niether, if he was going to stand by while this horrific event occured then not even the Gods themselves would stop him from letting her know he was with her. Memories raced through his mind of the countless times he had defended these very people that now ignored him from creatures of such horror most would never dare imagine, memories of his long lost friend Jaxom, the last time he was powerless to save another. He knew as she did that the only way for him to save her would be to slaughter the people around him. People with families, people that did not truely know what they were doing, even if he did do it and did save her he knew in his heart she would never forgive him for it, he could see it in her eyes, eyes he refused to look away from. On came the stones, he winced with each hit, almost feeling what she felt. In his 40 years of life he was about to break his word for the first time, Jayd Varian, Knight Protector of Queen Moryan, Commander of the Royal Guard, Captain of the Lawkeepers was going to watch her die to the rope around her neck.......
They say he stood there untill well after the crowds cleared, not once looking down. At some point he was said to turn and slowly walk to the gates of Fayd. He was never seen in that city again. Over the years storeys were told of a great warrior clad in armor of crimson drakin scales appearing in the midst of great jupasskri hordes that would attack far off towns only to vanish as quickly as he came when he had killed them all. But that is all that is known of Jayd Varian.
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Hair: Black, Straight, Coarse
Eyes: Brown
Wow! First mascara that has made my eyes look so dramatic! Definitely not for everyday use. I purchased this on recommendation from the salesperson in Tokyo, it was her favorite mascara. I never wear waterproof, but I decided to give it a whirl. Just like waterproof mascaras, it stays put and no smudging or panda eyes. The formula is very dark. Usually people can't tell when I wear mascara, but this is as close as falsies using a mascara that I'll ever get.
on 5/31/2014 7:24:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Dry, Medium, Warm
Hair: Black, Straight, Medium
Eyes: Black
My review is for the Edge Meister. This is the ultimate mascara for short sparse lashes.
If you want natural looking longer lashes, just apply this mascara solely but only for a layer or two as it does have a tendency to clump. Good thing about this mascara is that it holds the curl of eyelashes curled by an eyelash curler, unlike other mascaras that tend to flatten the curled lashes.
For extra volume, add a coat of a volumizing mascara on top of this mascara as this mascara does not give excellent dramatic volume to your lashes. This is a trick I learned from StyleSuzi from YouTube and it works like a charm. For most days, I find that just coating my lashes with this mascara is enough as I opt for a more natural look.
on 1/31/2014 10:26:00 PM
Age: 18 & Under
Skin: Combination, Fair-Medium, Not Sure
Hair: Black, Other, Other
Eyes: Black
I love this mascara. this is definitely my HG. I have short and straight lashes to begin with so lengthening and waterproof mascara is a big must for me. I bought this because i've heard sooo many good reviews about it so I bought it and I fell in love with this mascara.
First, It lengthens my lashes like no other, I don't even have to use falsies. It contains fibers in it so when you apply this mascara the fibers will stick to your lashes and make them super long that sometimes my lashes can reach my brow. It's not super volumizing though, but i don't really care since I'm just fine with only long lashes.
Second, the formula of this mascara is just like the best. It's super waterproof and smudge proof! I never ever get pandas eyes whenever I use this mascara (and i do have oily lids and i also rub my eyes so much) It also holds the curl like no other. My lashes always still look amazing and perfectly curl and long at the end of the day. The mascara is not super wet too which is great because wet mascaras tend to weight down the lashes and uncurl them (like fiberwig), but it's not super thick that it clumps your lashes.
Third, the brush of this mascara is really nice. It's not too big so it doesn't get into everywhere when you apply you mascara. It is really easy to apply on the bottom lashes too. The brush itself has like 2 parts. Both look like a comb but the other one is neater. So you're supposed to use the straight comb-like brush first to get the product to your lashes and then use the curved neater brush to really separate the lashes. I like the idea of the brush so much. It makes your lashes super super long without makes them clump. The brush also allows you to get every single lashes and also add more lengths to the end of the lashes.
Fourth, the packaging of this mascara is super gorgeous. It looks super expensive and luxurious. It also has the right size so you always can put in on your purse. Although the packaging is super nice, it's super affordable. It's around 20$, maybe it's not super cheap but the other top mascaras (such as dior, ysl, lancome) cost super super expensive and plus you can use this mascara like forever. I have mine over maybe 2 years (I don't use it everyday though) now and it's still pretty good although it starts to get easily clumpy( and yes i'm about to buy another one now).
The only bad side of this mascara is it takes FOREVER to remove. You have to use a really strong eye makeup remover to take this off unless it won't budge. To remove it, I usually soak my cotton pad with eye makeup remover and then place it on my eyes for 15-20 seconds and then rub it a bit (I know i'm supposed to remove my eye makeup very gently but this mascara is a bad girl) until the mascara comes off and then remove the leftover mascara with my sherbet type cleanser (banilla co clean it zero, this stuff is AMAZING, i also use this to remove my base makeup) and then wash it off.
Seriously, give this mascara a try, you will fall hard!!:):)~
on 1/12/2014 3:55:00 PM
Age: 18 & Under
Skin: Normal, Fair-Medium, Warm
Hair: Brown, Straight, Fine
Eyes: Brown
I keep coming back to this mascara time and time again. I use mostly luxury brand mascaras, but being from Shiseido's affordable line, I think this one can stand next to the rest of them. It's very waterproof which works wonders for my thin, straight, and naturally downward pointing lashes. It adds an amazing amount of length and volumes well. This is very affordable for the results you can achieve. Highly recommend. It's one of my favorites despite not being as easily accessible.
on 9/18/2013 12:43:00 PM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Combination, Fair, Neutral
Hair: Black, Straight, Fine
Eyes: Brown
This is the review for the Lash Expander Edge Meister. This is my first foray into Majolica Majorca mascaras. I have thin, short, sparse, straight asian lashes.
It has a plastic paddle type applicator. One side is flat, and the other side is curved. There are grooves on both side to apply the mascara. Its definitely a bit tricky to use this applicator if you're used to a regular bristle brush, or even the ones with plastic bristles. I find it a bit tricky to apply especially to the corner lashes. It can clump somes lashes together, so it takes a bit of time to brush out the lashes and to get the fibers where you want them. I definitely find the fibers are long and so it can be quite lengthening. It also holds a curl all day long and is waterproof and smudgeproof. It isn't very volumizing but you can layer on another volumizing mascara after this has dried.
I got this off ebay for 16$ which to me is a reasonable price. Packaging is nice. I particularly like the cap which has a little engraved gold decoration.
The one con about this is that it flakes. I will see the odd fiber on my cheek during the day every so often which I didn't notice with my Kiss Me Heroine Make Long and Curl mascara (which I also recommend).
I don't have trouble removing this mascara as others have expressed. Currently I'm using a Shu Uemura cleansing oil and it comes right off. I apply it with a mascara remover so that it really gets between the lashes. You can make your own mascara remover by taking an old tube of mascara and cleaning it out and filing it up with an oil cleanser.
on 8/17/2013 4:35:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Neutral
Hair: Brown, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Brown
This is the best mascara for short lashes that just don't want to hold a curl. I've been using this mascara for as long as I can remember (more than 10 years I believe). I buy so many mascaras on a regular basis, but I always go back to this one because nothing else is comparable. I must have repurchased dozens of these. I've also recommended this mascara to my friends, who have also loved it as much as I have.
The mascara wand is a comb-like brush, so it really coats each of my lashes completely. It lengthens them with tiny little fibers, but doesn't do much in terms of volume. If you try to layer it too much, it can become quite clumpy. I usually apply at most 2 layers. I have also found that the tiny fibers sometimes come off and get stuck in my eye or on my face. It is a fairly dry formula, which means that it doesn't weigh down my lashes and they stay curled all day. It is very waterproof (I've showered with this mascara on and it doesn't budge), so make sure you have a good waterproof makeup remover. .
Finally, the price. Unless you live in Asia, this mascara is going to be very expensive. I buy a ton of these every time I go to Hong Kong, and I believe they're about $15 usd there, which is pretty reasonable for a higher end mascara. There are tons of sellers online, but I really wouldn't trust them unless you're buying from a retailer.
on 6/6/2013 8:29:00 PM
Age: 18 & Under
Skin: Normal, Fair-Medium, Not Sure
Hair: Black, Other, Other
Eyes: Black
I find this mascara fulfilling it's lengthening claims, but not by much.
Not a big fan of the comb-like brush, or maybe just the formula that annoys me, which did not give any volume...maybe I'm asking too much from a lengthening mascara?
Not a big pain to remove if you have Kose Softymo eye makeup remover + Kiss me mascara removal gel. must have both though.
Disappointing curling effects, i have very soft lashes and i dont find this curling at all, even when i use an electric heated lash curler, the mascara fails to keep the shape in place. Fairy drop mascara does a good job in keeping curls, but it's dry and flaky looking + low pigmentation.
Not my holy grail.
It's kinda ok in terms of price though.
on 6/5/2013 10:11:00 AM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Combination, Fair-Medium, Neutral
Hair: Black, Straight, Medium
Eyes: Black
I read a blogger's review on this and she said she liked it after it had been open for a month or two because it is such a watery formula. She was right! I hated it the first few times I used it. It didn't do anything great for me. I put it aside and after a few months I tried it again and actually liked it. It held my curl better than other mascaras and added volume and length. It doesn't smudge at all. The holding power is better than. waterproof as you cannot even get this off with an oil cleanser! Yikes! I read that you can use conditioner to help remove it and that works. I use it occasionally but not too often because of the work involved with removal. I don't like tugging on my eye area too much to remove eye products. I won't repurchase again. It isn't easy to get this product anyway.
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