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What Presence! Post Punk Photography
Monday, 13th May 2013
Photographer Harry Papadopoulos takes a step back in time to explore the glamour and grit of the 1980s post punk music scene, in new exhibition What Presence!
Taking place at the McManus Art Gallery & Museum, Dundee, the new exhibition offers a glimpse behind the lens of one of Scotland's most legendary music photographers, featuring the likes of Aztec Camera, The Birthday Party, The Specials and The Clash.
A self-taught photographer, Papadopoulos began his career by selling photographs to gig-goers outside the Apollo in the late 1970s. He later became a staff photographer for Sounds magazine where he captured a number of music stars on film: from Blondie to David Bowie, the Associates to Devo, by way of Joy Division, Bryan Ferry and Siouxsie and the Banshees. A cult figure on the music scene, Papadopoulos' London flat became a second home to fellow Scots migrants such as Orange Juice, Aztec Camera, Josef K and The Bluebells.
What Presence! is a touring exhibition from the Streetlevel Photoworks in Glasgow, which was co-curated by singer from The Bluebells, Ken McCluskey. Taking place until Sunday 11th August, the exhibition will be accompanied by a series of talks, impromptu music events and workshops.
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Hi all,
I'm getting on a bit now, but have always loved reading pratchett.
A few years ago I started collecting some first editions. So I periodically check eBay.
I also have a look at completed, sold, listings to see what's going on.
I've just noticed some bizarre results for Once More With Footnotes. This is pretty rare (2500 copies), but recently a couple of sellers have sold about ten copies each, at 35-60 gbp, way under normal price.
It's odd as it's cheap, but also a couple of sellers selling so many copies.
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World's Fastest NXTien
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I tried so hard to do something similar - but I never managed to get the wheel to spin at high gears like you did. I used two 40 tooth and two 8 tooth gears.
Can you please post full instructions on NXTLOG on how you made the gear train with 1:12 ratio?
- Jun 8, 2008, 8:53:00 AM
BluetoothKiwi - How fast can it go?
The video was too short to see the speed properly - but from the few seconds I did catch, it did look very fast.
NxtMike - may be you should try the 72 teeth (or is it 80 tooth) turntable gear?
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I would go for large thin wheels, rather than a track. Like a racing bike vs. a mountain bike, the amount of surface area you have in contact with the ground increases the friction, so you have to deliver more power to go at the same speed.
Or something like that.
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- BlueToothKiwi said...
You are spot on Karl about the tracks - infact it added a lot of drag to the motion.
Infact the video actually shows three versions - the final version did not have tracks. The yellow guide wheels are so frictionless that it made the vehicle glide so easilly.
Incidently, I also got rid of the turntable gear and used the 40 teeth gear in itsplace in the end.
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- Mike1 said...
it is actually a 56 tooth gear. Also at the end with only a 40 tooth gear to an 8 tooth how fast would it go?
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Denis Diderot (October 5, 1713 – July 31, 1784) was a French philosopher and writer. He was a prominent figure during the Enlightenment, his major contribution to the Enlightenment being the Encyclopédie.
Diderot also contributed to literature, notably with Jacques le fataliste et son maître (Jacques the Fatalist and His Master), which emulated Laurence Sterne in challenging conventions regarding novels, their structure and content, while also examining philosophical ideas about free will. Diderot is also known as the author of the essay, Le Neveu de Rameau (Rameau's Nephew) upon which many articles and sermons about consumer desire have been based.
In 1743, he further alienated his father by marrying Antoinette Champion, a devout Roman Catholic. The match was considered inappropriate due to Champion's low social status, poor education, fatherless status, lack of a dowry, and, at thirty-two, being four years his senior. The marriage produced one surviving child, a girl. Her name was Angelique, named after Diderot's mother and his dead sister. The death of his sister, a nun, from overwork in the convent may have affected Diderot's opinion of religion. He had affairs with the writer Madame Puisieux and with Sophie Volland, his letters to Sophie Volland are amongst the most vivid of all the insights that we have of the daily life of the philosophic circle of Paris during this time period.
Though his work was broad and rigorous, it did not bring him riches. He secured none of the posts that were occasionally given to needy men of letters; he could not even obtain the bare official recognition of merit which was implied by being chosen a member of the Académie française. When the time came for him to provide a dowry for his daughter, he saw no alternative than to sell his library. When Catherine II of Russia heard of his financial troubles she commissioned an agent in Paris to buy the library. She then requested that the philosopher retain the books in Paris until she required them, and act as her librarian with a yearly salary. In 1773 and 1774, Diderot spent some months at the empress's court in St Petersburg. Diderot died of gastro-intestinal problems in Paris on July 31, 1784, and was buried in the city's Église Saint-Roch. His heirs sent his vast library to Catherine II, who had it deposited at the Russian National Library.
André Le Breton, a bookseller and printer, applied to Diderot with a project for the publication of a translation of Ephraim Chambers' Cyclopaedia, or Universal Dictionary of Arts and Sciences into French; first undertaken by the Englishman John Mills, and followed by the German, Gottfried Sellius. Diderot accepted the proposal, during this translation his creative mind and astute vision the work became transformed. Instead of a mere reproduction of the Cyclopaedia, he persuaded Le Breton to enter upon a new work, which would collect all the active writers, ideas, and knowledge that were moving the cultivated class of the Republic of Letters to its depths; however they were comparatively ineffective by due to their lack of dispersion. His enthusiasm for the project was transmitted to the publishers; they collected a sufficient capital for a more vast enterprise than they had first planned. Jean le Rond d'Alembert was persuaded to become Diderot's colleague; the requisite permission was procured from the government.
In 1750 an elaborate prospectus announced the project to a delighted public; and in 1751 the first volume was published. This work was very unorthodox and had many forward thinking ideas for the time. Diderot stated within this work, "An encyclopedia ought to make good the failure to execute such a project hitherto, and should encompass not only the fields already covered by the academies, but each and every branch of human knowledge." Upon encompassing every branch of knowledge this will give, "the power to change men's common way of thinking." This idea was profound and intriguing, as it was one of the first works during the Enlightenment. Diderot wanted to give all people the ability to further their knowledge and, in a sense, allow every person to have any knowledge they sought of the world. The work sought to bring together all knowledge of the time and condense this information for all to use. Using not only the expertise of scholars and Academies in their respective fields but that of the common man in their proficiencies in their trades. These people would amalgamate and work under a society to perform such a project. They would work alone in order to shed societal conformities, and build a multitude of information on a desired subject with varying view points, methods, or philosophies. He emphasized the vast abundance of knowledge held within each subject with intricacies and details to provide the greatest amount of knowledge to be gained from the subject. All people would benefit from these insights into different subjects as a means of betterment; bettering society as a whole and individuals alike.
This message under the Ancien Régime would severely dilute the regime's ability to control the people. Knowledge and power, two key items the upper class held over the lower class, were in jeopardy as knowledge would be more accessible, giving way to more power amongst the lower class. An encyclopedia would give the layman an ability to reason and use knowledge to better themselves; allowing for upward mobility and increased intellectual abundance amongst the lower class. A growth of knowledge amongst this segment of society would provide power to this group and a yearning to question the government. The numerated subjects in the folios were not just for the good of the people and society, but were for the promotion of the state as well. The state did not see any benefit in the works, instead viewing them as a contempt to contrive power and authority from the state.
Diderot's work was plagued by controversy from the beginning, the project was suspended by the courts in 1752. Just as the second volume was completed accusations arose, regarding seditious content, concerning the editors entries on religion and natural law. Diderot was detained and his house was searched for manuscripts for subsequent articles. But the search proved fruitless as no manuscripts could be found. They were hidden in the house of an unlikely confederate Chretien de Lamoignon Malesherbes, the very official who ordered the search. Although Malesherbis was a staunch absolutist-loyal to the monarchy, he was sympathetic to the literary project. Along with his support, and that of other well placed influential confederates, the project resumed. Diderot returned to his efforts only to be constantly embroiled in controversy.
These twenty years were to Diderot not merely only a time of incessant drudgery, but harassing persecution and desertion of friends. The ecclesiastical party detested the Encyclopédie, in which they saw a rising stronghold for their philosophic enemies. By 1757 they could endure it no longer. The subscribers had grown from 2,000 to 4,000, a measure of the growth of the work in popular influence and power. The Encyclopédie threatened the governing social classes of France (aristocracy) because it took for granted the justice of religious tolerance, freedom of thought, and the value of science and industry. It asserted the doctrine that the main concern of the nation's government ought to be the nation's common people. It was believed that the Encyclopédie was the work of an organized band of conspirators against society, and that the dangerous ideas they held were made truly formidable by their open publication. In 1759, the Encyclopédie was formally suppressed. The decree did not stop the work, which went on, but its difficulties increased by the necessity of being clandestine. D'Alembert withdrew from the enterprise and other powerful colleagues, including Anne Robert Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune, declined to contribute further to a book which had acquired a bad reputation. Diderot was left to finish the task as best he could. He wrote several hundred articles, some very slight, but many of them laborious, comprehensive, and long. He damaged his eyesight correcting proofs and editing the manuscripts of less competent contributors. He spent his days at workshops, mastering manufacturing processes, and his nights writing what he had learned during the day. He was incessantly harassed by threats of police raids. The last copies of the first volume were issued in 1765. At the last moment, when his immense work was drawing to an end, he encountered a crowning mortification: he discovered that the bookseller, fearing the government's displeasure, had struck out from the proof sheets, after they had left Diderot's hands, all passages that he considered too dangerous. The monument to which Diderot had given the labor of twenty long and oppressive years was irreparably mutilated and defaced. It was twelve years, in 1772, before the subscribers received the final 27 folio volumes of the Encyclopédie, ou dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers since the first volume had been published.
Although the Encyclopédie was Diderot's monumental piece, he was the author of many other works that sowed nearly every field of intellectual interest with new and creative ideas. He wrote sentimental plays, Le Fils naturel (1757) and Le Père de famille (1758), accompanying them with essays on theatrical theory and practice, including Les Entretiens sur Le Fils naturel (Conversations on Le Fils naturel), in which he announced the principles of a new drama—the serious, domestic, bourgeois drama of real life, in opposition to the stilted conventions of the classical French stage. His art criticism was also highly influential. Diderot's Essais sur la peinture was described by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, as "a magnificent work, which speaks even more helpfully to the poet than to the painter, though to the painter too it is as a blazing torch."
Diderot's most intimate friend was the philologist Friedrich Melchior Grimm. They were brought together by their friend in common at that time Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Grimm wrote newsletters to various high personages in Germany, reporting the happenings of art and literature in Paris, then the intellectual capital of Europe. Diderot helped Grimm between 1759 and 1779, by writing an account of the annual exhibitions of paintings in the Paris Salon. These reports are highly readable pieces of art criticism. According to Charles Augustin Sainte-Beuve, they initiated the French into a new way of laughing, and introduced people to the mystery and purport of colour by ideas. "Before Diderot," Anne Louise Germaine de Staël wrote, "I had never seen anything in pictures except dull and lifeless colours; it was his imagination that gave them relief and life, and it is almost a new sense for which I am indebted to his genius." Jean-Baptiste Greuze was Diderot's favorite contemporary artist. Greuze's most characteristic pictures were the rendering in colour of the same sentiments of domestic virtue and the pathos of common life, which Diderot had attempted to represent upon the stage. Diderot was above all things interested in the life of individuals. He did not care about the abstract life of the race, but the incidents of individual character, the fortunes of a particular family, the relations of real and concrete motives in this or that special case. He was delighted with the enthusiasm of a born casuist in curious puzzles of right and wrong, and in devising a conflict between the generalities of ethics and the conditions of an ingeniously contrived practical dilemma. Diderot's interest expressed itself in didactic and sympathetic form. However, in two of his most remarkable pieces, this interest is not sympathetic, but ironic. Jacques le fataliste (written in 1773, but not published until 1796) is similar to Tristram Shandy and The Sentimental Journey. His dialogue Le Neveu de Rameau (Rameau's Nephew) is a "farce-tragedy" reminiscent of the Satires of Horace. A favorite classical author of Diderot's, Horace's words Vertumnis, quotquot sunt, natus iniquis are quoted at the top of the Nephew. Diderot's intention in writing the dialogue is disputed; whether it is merely a satire on contemporary manners, or a reduction of the theory of self-interest to an absurdity, or the application of irony to the ethics of ordinary convention, or a mere setting for a discussion about music, or a vigorous dramatic sketch of a parasite and a human original. Whatever its intent, it is a remarkable conversation, representing an era of that held the art of conversation in the highest regard. The writing and publication history of the Nephew is likewise a bit mysterious. Diderot never saw the work through to publication during his lifetime, but there is every indication it was of continual interest to him. Though the original draft was written in 1761, he made additions to it year after year until his death twenty-three years later. Goethe's translation (1805) was the first introduction of Le Neveu de Rameau to the European public. After executing it, he gave back the original French manuscript to Friedrich Schiller, from whom he had it. No authentic French copy of it appeared until the writer had been dead for forty years (1823). Diderot's miscellaneous pieces range from a graceful trifle like the Regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre (Regrets for my Old Dressing Gown) up to Le Rêve de d'Alembert, where he plunges into the depths of the controversy as to the ultimate constitution of matter and the meaning of life. Diderot was not a coherent and systematic thinker, but rather "a philosopher in whom all the contradictions of the time struggle with one another" (Rosenkranz). He did not develop a system of materialism, but he contributed many of the most declamatory books of the Système de la nature of his friend Paul Henri Thiry, baron d'Holbach, styled by some "the very Bible of atheism".


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- Bernard White
- London Uk
- United Kingdom
This conversation is closed.
Can we ever design an experiment which can determine whether God exists?
I just find it hard to believe when people say : "There is no evidence for God". Yes there isn't because we can't design an experiment to prove or disprove this hypothesis.
However a very important thing, Which I devoted a whole TED Debate to (Here is the link to that debate : http://www.ted.com/conversations/17001/can_god_be_defined_or_in_othe.html), is that to work out whether the hypothesis is true we must first define what we mean by "God" (and "existence" for that matter), which I have found doesn't prove to be very successful. Otherwise we can't advance into going to making experiment for this hypothesis.
In science (I believe) theories can only be disproved and never proved to be "certain", so in this sense everybody has to be an agnostic about God, unless some genius in the TED community can come up with an experiment.
While another problem remains that we base all data we have on experimental data we have gained from the past, and expect the future to be consistent.
So in this sense I am a strong agnostic / Ignostic because God hasn't really been defined (and only has subjective definitions) and that I can't genially think of an experiment to determine whether God exist of not. So yes in the literal sense there is no "evidence" but that's only because no experiment have been done.
(Also there remains the slight problem with the fact that there is a degree of uncertainness in everything, and that no matter how logical and rational a hypothesis may seem it can always be proved false, or untrue)
My final point would be I see no correlation with an absence of evidence, and an evidence of absence! (This is very important)
And of-course, I apologize for repeating myself (if I have done so!) and my awful spelling and grammar.
Just so I say now, so I get no confusion, this is just an honest enquiry as to whether it can be done! (Not trying to reduce "God" in any way!)
Closing Statement from Bernard White
I'm slightly worreid I won't do a good job of this summary but here I go :
I must first say this :
I implore everybody to look at my "new" God debate :
What does the theological implications do the "Psychology" and "Neuroscience" (and possibly biology) of religion/ "God(s)" have?
Link : http://www.ted.com/conversations/18226/what_does_the_theological_impl.html
This has been a wonderful debate with lots of interesting idea's. However I view, with the majority consensus, (and please correct me if I have got this wrong) that there isn't a experiment which can (dis)prove the existence of "God(s)".
I would just like to congratulate everybody for their amazing contributions to the conversation. It has given me a lot to ponder.
Kind regards (to all),
Apr 17 2013: Here is a definition of God : ' God is the relationship between all the finite points of creation'. An experiment to test for God would be to see if and particular part of the universe is related to any other part, If a relationship is proven. then God exsists. To check this, if any finite parts of the universe or creation can be shown not to have any kind of relationship, then the omni-present, omni-potent God cannot exsist.
Apr 18 2013: I like the idea, it's good, it's more than good, actually ! :)
There is a problem, though ... what are the "all finite points of creation" ?
The Whole is never complete.
Let's make it an abstract, thought experiment.
Take Chaos Theory , Holographic principle , Mandelbrot set , Bohm's interpretation of QM ( with non locality in it , it's important ) add all these quantum ' weird ' stuff, like entanglement , superposition and all the rest of it. And what we'll get as a result may look like :
" Nothing has independent existence from anything else "
or mystic metaphor ' the seer is the seen "
Let's make a leap ..."The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me."
Iow. it should take place in me.
I believe it's that simple :)
Thanks !Apr 17 2013: k... I didn't read any other comments so sorry if this has already been said.
No we can't ever propose an experiment which disproves the existence of God.
And this is because of a very simple reason.... "brain in a vat".
You can ALWAYS say that "all of our observations/experiences are illusions" which are placed there by some external thing (God or a machine or perhaps a physical illusion... you can go on with even stranger ideas if you want).
In your own post you point out that in science you can't really prove something is true... you can only prove something is false given some premises.
The brain in a vat argument tells you that all premises could be illusions.... So you can use this argument to destroy all knowledge we have.
There is not a single argument you can bring against that... except that the idea is far fetched.
We can however make it more/less likely for religion to be a human fabrication by discovering things about the human nature and other types of research.
Apr 17 2013: I love this comment!
I have been trying to tell people something on this idea, for ages.
Yet you have just put it beautifully into words!
While I do feel that if we are "brain in vats" or if I am an illusion, then I still exist, just in a different form. (I'm a line of coding! Yay!)
However it does depend how you define "existence" doesn't it? :P
Apr 17 2013: "While I do feel that if we are "brain in vats" or if I am an illusion, then I still exist, just in a different form. (I'm a line of coding! Yay!)"
When I freely translate that into historical context it would be "I think therefor I am" (cogito ergo sum) - Descartes. He argued that even if you cannot be sure of anything the fact that you can think about being unsure means that 'you' must be somewhere.
Ofcourse, like you also mentioned, it does depend on how you define existence (or 'being' in Descartes reasoning).Apr 17 2013: This does not stop inductive and bayesian logic to be valid.
It is reasoning with clearly stating your assumptions.
Furthermore, occam's razor implies that redundant assumptions need not to be taken into account.
So explanation A is better than explanation B if B=A+god (it's adding 0 information value)
When adding fantasy, call it fantasy and not valid.
Furthermore, a brain in a vat will assume that one connot generate knowledge ex nihilo (an algorithm cannot increase in complexity unless there is outside information added). This implies that you'll need to assume that "everything" is the "brain in that vat".
I call this everything "reality", but if you want to call it "illusion", then we are discussing semantics.
So something is true within "the brain in the vat". You cannot make truth claims about something that is outside it (if you could, it would be part of it).
So you are back at square one: partial information to inform you about somthing bigger (probably finite). In that finite space, the probabilty of a god is getting lower the more we discover (Boltzmann style)
So I agree with White
Apr 17 2013: You write that as if you disagree with me... But I don't really see where.
In science we have assumptions about the world (which allow for the inductive reasoning to take place).
You could say that given the premise that "what we can observe is reality" we can conclude that ..insert scientific findings.......
But for religion you can't because "In the beginning there was nothing.... then God created blabla" this in itself lifts God above what we can observe. And therefor we cannot assume the same premisses that we do in science.
Science is perfectly fine if you always include the premise of "in this universe we can observe ....." (which science actually does but it's not clear to many people that this is one of the premisses).
Or as you put it that "You cannot make truth claims about something that is outside it" (where it = the vat)
I just tried to word it in such a way that breaks the normal train of thought.
And yes we get back at square one.... which is why we cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
Perhaps the line you disagree with is "So you can use this argument to destroy all knowledge we have." If you disagree with that line then I think you're saying that while we're in the vat the knowledge will hold.... But that is a somewhat strange idea because assume that the vat is a computer program and God is a programmer... and he decides to hit the "invert gravity" button....
I would agree with you if you would say that science is our best attempt at trying to describe everything we can observe. However that doesn't invalidate (or validate) the reasoning behind a "brain in a vat". There is just no way we can prove something when it is outside of our perception.
We could however show that the existence of God is unlikely.
Apr 17 2013: thanks for the clarification. I think we quite agree.Apr 15 2013: I've been thinking for many years that we are the experiment. KCorletta
Apr 16 2013: And what do you think the conclusion is?Apr 14 2013: I think the main problem here is that we do not know the right question to ask.
Apr 14 2013: I agree!
I find it difficult trying to ask the "right question!", yet there is no harm in trying! :PApr 14 2013: G'day Danger Lampost
Yes I would agree on that, science today is finding new ways in asking these questions through newer science techniques like quantum physics, mechanics & vacuum & these techniques are also evolving to obtain better answers through newer ways of asking question so yes obsoletely right in my mind DL.
MathewApr 18 2013: Who am I ?
would be the right one , i guess :)Apr 20 2013: If we know the right question to ask, we probably already know the right answer)).Apr 27 2013: The Higgs boson is not all that important (900 billion Dollars!!! to finance the research), what is important is the Higgs field from which the Higgs particle is produced. Without the Higgs field electrons will be massless moving at the speed of light ( if so atoms could not be formed), with the Higgs field electrons will keep bumping into the field thus gaining inertia & mass slowing the electrons enough to form atoms and you and me and all else.No Higgs Field , No Atoms -no Stars-no Planets- no Chemistry- no Life.. And this is the foundation of the Standard model of physics , the Higgs field -adding mass to the building blocks of everything. (Amazing!!)
The Higgs field neither proves or disproves God, but it does fills a gap in our quest to understand nature.
At the core of the God question is the lack of any coherent definition of what God is. All we have is concepts,so we are putting the cart before the horse as we attempt to have an operational definition to sink our teeth into.How can you test a God conceptualized as supernatural in a natural context? And if you were able to ,wouldn't that render the meaning of of the words natural and supernatural meaningless? , since both are mutually exclusive. I think that we cannot postulate the existence,much less the nature of God because we do not know what it means for a supernatural being to exist.Our entire worldview of existence is informed by a natural context. Saying God is a supernatural being is clear but is not meaningful. Saying that the existence of said God can be established using the natural world is neither meaningful nor coherent.
God is trans-rational, an article of personal faith, Science has nothing to say about it, at least for now. But Science can say much about the Higgs field.
Søren Kierkegaard
"Certainty... lurks at the door of faith and threatens to devour it."
Martin Luther
"Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding."
Apr 27 2013: Great, succinct explanation.
I just wish the media or whoever hadn't labeled the Higgs bosun the god particle. Leads to so many misunderstandings.
Supernatural is a strange concept. Its like giving up and saying its magic imo. Free yourself from evidence, understanding, from models, data, mechanisms, proof. Free yourself from any limits, call it all powerful and knowing and you have a ready made answer to anything and everything limited only by your imagination.
an all powerful, all knowing, something that is not part of the universe, can be used to plug any gaps, but yet it explains nothing, you just push the questions back a level and have added unnecessary and unsubstantiated speculation and complexity.
Why does the universe exist....god
Why does god exist......to explain the universe
CircularApr 26 2013: While science tries to explain the invisible through the visible, there is no room for God/Spirit /Consciousness in the dictionary of science, it has no proof either.
But now with modern physics once we grasp the full implication of the quantum message we can never again naively believe that the world 'out there' is more real than the world ' in here' .
Apr 27 2013: Hi Natasha, while I am open to the possibility of things deserving the name gods or goddesses, i disagree that the cosmic and quantum understanding we have developed points to there being gods or goddesses.
For me it shows how counter intuitive, complex and amazing life and the universe is.
I remember a high school class where one student slapped the desk saying he couldn't accept it was 99.9999999999% empty space.
There could be ghosts, nature spirits, faerie, gods, or beings not imagined. Just nothing that confirms they exist.
I can partially see the attraction or intuitive connection between some aspects of our scientific understanding, and god concepts, cosmic consciousness, and mysterious connections, but suggest often a fair bit of extrapolation is involved beyond what we have reasonably confirmed is probably correct.
Understanding there are invisible forces like gravity doesn't mean there are invisible agencies, such that have been assumed for everything from disease to floods and lightening.
Apr 28 2013: Its the mind that makes "gods" real just like the table that is sitting in front of you. Does your knowing that it is 99.999999999% empty make it less real to you or more real or does it hold its original value? The question you should really ask your self is what am I actually seeing? And then there was lightApr 29 2013: Hi, Obey !
That student is who we are, we can't accept the fact that the desk is 99.9999999999% empty space. Why ? Because we all have a strong collective belief in totally the opposite : the desk is solid.
Our belief makes it solid, our collective mind expectation creates matter/ the world as we know it.
For how long will we entertain the idea of external God ?
Apr 29 2013: Hi again,
My take is we evolved to eat and avoid and mate with medium sized, medium speed things.
So our senses have evolved to perceive lions and fruit and other humans.
Not individual atoms, not distant planetoids.
Suggest it is a mix of sense perception, belief, and focus.
We know about atoms, bacteria, the minature world. SSometimes we focus on it, say when working with a microscope. But driving home we focus on the medium sized objects, especially the buses.
I expect external god concepts will be around for a while, I don't personally believe in one. I guess there are many other god concepts, god in us, everywhere, in quantum fields. Maybe the external god willed itself into oblivion a billion years ago.Apr 29 2013: I think the main problem is that vexed ' objective VS subjective' business.
Objectivity is the illusion of a subject, hardly anything more. Multiply it to the number of agents /subjects currently ' working' in the field , add the time aspect:15 billion years ( ? ) I don't know. And what we'll get is a self fulfilling prophecy, mass hallucination... collective dream, what have you. We call it ' objective reality ' , fine !
We swallow the fact of 99.9999999999% empty space, the quanta fluctuation from the state of existence to non existence 3 bl.times per second ( on average it doesnt' exist and resides in indeterminate zone) ... the result of a double slit experiment ( consciousness , the 'eye' of the observer is required to collapse the wave function and push a particle into existence )....we swallow all these and many other facts without altering our attitude !
Amazing !
We still think that quantum world is standing apart from our ' human' physical world, but if you accept this division , you have a logical philosophical, experiential mess in your hands ! The nature is fractal all over the genre, ' as above so below ' .
To question the doctrine of objectivity is a right place to start in the search for a higher dimension, call it God or whatever the name . I think it prefers to be unnamed, but to communicate the idea we need a symbol and we have it.
Have a nice day !
shawn disney
Apr 23 2013: If I understand you correctly, you would like to use the" Scienfic Method" to deal with this popular question. The problem is going to be , that as you suggest, "God" doesn't have an agreed on meaning that is specific enough to be able to design any experiemts.
- +2
That doesn't reallly matter, though., bacause in Science it is a valid procedure to produce a "Theory", which can answer, or bypass, questions. It is a matter of dealing satisfactorily and consistently , at least potentially, with any deal killing questions., even in the absence of any decisive experiement at the moment.
You no doubt aware of all the contradictory, inconsistent beliefs of most religions. The popular ones, Judeo-Christian-Moslem-Agnostics all share a pretty much similar view of how the Universe is laid out, what Human nature is like, etc. Basically, the Hindus and Buddhists have a radically different concept, but it is overlaid with centuries of ritualistic practices which obscure its science friendly premises. Alan Watts, an ex Anglican priest, did an excellent job of getting down to basics.about this. Science has evolved to a belief that the basic elements of our world, are energy, cycles, Fields of Force, and conservation Laws. Even Newtonians were aware that "things" were illusions based on "atoms", now we find out that even atoms are constructs of other non-stuff. Electromagnetism, and the other Forces are in the form of "Fields". My guess is that "Consciousness " will turn out to be yet another" Field". It would probably not shock a Buddhist or Hindu, since it woud fit in with their beliefs, but it would be a total killer for the other religions, which require an all powerful puppeteer, in the mode of Ancient Kings, entirely separate from the Peons (us) The Field, if identified with "God" would imply that Groups have a reality beyond collections of illusory "Individuals", and furthermore, that WE are indistinguishable from God in that sense. Super heresy.
Apr 24 2013: Hello Shawn Disney, Nice too meet you! :D
I'm surprised you put "Agnostics" in that same category. I would probably label myself an "Strong (/ strict) agnostic".
However, I do not know much about Hinduism. What do they teach? :)
Apr 24 2013: Hi Bernard White:
Always a pleasure to talk to someone who is interested in getting beyond "what everyone knows". The reason I would lump the Agnostics in with the others is that they seem to share so many basic , unquestioned assumptions about our Universe, and seem to agree that there is not much alternative. The assumptions being, for one, there is either "God" , or "Not-God". In a Universe, more or less Newtonian in structure, which was either arranged by a conscious , rational, even personal, sort of being, much like an
Ancient King. Or , alternatively,, the "God" is not there, but there is a mechanistic, scientific sort of structure that we all inhabit, as "individuals", born without knowing where we are , or what is going on anyway, and we gradually learn by Evolution, family life, etc. who we are, and how we should behave. As to "purposes" , life spans, etc. that is still a mystery, but there are a lot of contradictory sayings and customs which purport to answer insoluble conundrums, such as "God's Love", or the "Afterlife", etc. None of it very satisfactory.
Buddhism is derived from Hinduism, and they are both quite contrary to the modern World View, at first sight. Buddhism , being younger, has less accumulated , Culture -specific rituals, etc. Both are quite scientific and modern in spirit, since they focus on "experience" , unlike the other "Religions". It is probably accurate to say that neither of these is really a "Religion", since they are not concerned with "Salvation", Sin, Evil, Afterllife. Souls, etc.which the others assume as "Real". There seems no conflict with the basic setup to say that it is consistent with Buddhism to believe that "Consciousness Potential", in the form of a universal Force Field, analogous to Electricity, is the Source of "Individuals". and Groups as well, but they are Constructs, and not basic elements. Just as "atoms" are. I'm running out of space. See Alan Watts , "the Book" for a better explanation
Apr 24 2013: Hello! (Again). :)
I wouldn't say that there is or isn't a God at all!
If anything I came up with this 8 answer model :
1. I know there is...
2. I believe it is most probable there is...
3. I do not know at this present moment, not to say that I will not know one day...
4. I will never know....
5. I do not know, for I have not thought about it...
6. I believe it is most improbable there is...
7. I know there isn't...
8. I am just not concerned / Don't care.
Most people are in the "8" and "5" category from my experience.
Yet I suppose you could argue I am going towards a more "yes or no" answer scale. What would you suggest is wrong with that? I mean there is the "possibility" that a personal God(s) could spawn into existence at any moment, or die at any moment.
While if this is true, I have no way of knowing in my present state. (Through scientific method, that is!)
I like this quote :
"Life is a mystery to be lived, not a question to be solved".
However I find it more fulfilling to try and find the answers I can with my finite brain, which can only process (and store) so much information.
I am an agnostic with regards as to whether my life is finite (I just die) or infinite (There is a form of after-life, or reincarnation).
I accept that there may not be a "one universal answer / meaning to life", I accept there could be "many meaning(s) to life!".
I have no grudge towards any religion, if anything admire them in a odd form. For (most) religions encourage a sense of community, altruistic (+ empathy towards your fellow man) deeds, and a sense awe towards the universe.
I hope you enjoyed my reply.
Kind regards (again! :P),
EDIT : However! I must admit, I do find the concept of a personal "God(s)" can be explained quite nicely as a "Cognitive illusion", read my other comments about this matter. I find the concept of God, can be reduced to the "Theory of mind", and ""artificialism" (or "promiscuous teleology".)Apr 18 2013: Hey Bernard!
Are aware that the 'minder's at ted have censored a contribution of mine regarding an announcement I made today? It was an announcement of a conferance which dealt with consciousness researchers that will take place instead of the cancelled tedx. Infact, It appears a couple of my contributions have been removed! As you are aware of my congenial and polite nature of participating - you can know that this is indeed an act of consorship. Obviously, as we have discussed, consciousness research is a possible tool in an experimental approach to designing an experiment for a proof of a god. But ted sent me a terse note saying that I was off subject and then I find my thoughtful contributions expunged from this conversation today. Any clues buddy?
Apr 18 2013: Hmm.
It seems TED might be doing an injustice to you my friend! (We must sort it out!)
Can I help in anyway?
Yes I would love to watch that TED X talk! (It would be very interesting!)
Have you watched the TED talk :
Dan Dennett: The illusion of consciousness
Link : http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness.html
Would be interested in your thought on it, as a "explorer of consciousness"!
Yet I am quite busy now unfortunately so I won't be able to respond as frequently as I once did!
Kind regards,
Your friend Bernard.
Apr 18 2013: HI Bernard!
I will check this link out. But, I think you would be interested in a discussion (which ended unexpectedly), between Dan Dennett, Ed May and Russell Targ. It is in the foreword to 'The Reality of ESP" by Russell Targ.
Thanks Buddy for your Kind Friendship,
JordanApr 18 2013: Hi Again Buddy,
I just realized since the book I referenced is a u.s. publicaion, you may not have access to it :|. So, I will quote a bit of it to give you a sense of the intellectual disconnect involved. "Along with Ed May, I once debated with Daniel Dennett, a prominent critic of ESP research, at an event produced by ABC News for station news staffs and station mamagers. We debated along for about thirty minutes, with Dennett making dismissive and disparaging remarks to anything Ed or I said, but always in generalities. Finally I said to him: "Let's pick an experiment we both know, and you tell me what is wrong with it, and I will respond". Without a moment's hesitation he shot back in the most deliberately condescending act I have ever witnessed, saying, "You don't think I actually read this stuff, do you?" There was a moment's silence, then laughter began, first as giggles, then as chuckles, and, finally, as guffaws. It suddenly dawned on Dennett what he had said. He blushed and sat down, and left as soon as he could."
So, the 'old school is often defensive about turf, prestige and status (quo). This is to be expected. As the saying goes; 'science progresses one death at a time'.
There are head winds to be endured for progress to happen - listening ted?
Talk to you soon Buddy,
JordanApr 18 2013: Hi Bernard, Buddy!
I really appreciate your kind support.
I think this maybe a useful occurrance for me. But, I must preface my hypothosis with a little background info on me.
I recieved my BS in education and art. I also did additional studies (beyond the requirements), in psychology and at one point considered changing my double major to philosophy. I spent a number of years also working professionally as a addiction and rehab. counselor and also worked with 'sex offenders', who were also chemical and behavioral addicted.
This experience was extremely helpful to me in understanding observations of my own internal introspection of thinking dynamics that I must look at - on a continual basis.
So, here is my hypothisis:
I saw this same dynamic in the (now closed), discussion re; dr. sheldrake's treatment. I believe much of the intellectual and emotional dis-connects we see played out is an attempt to avoid the accompanying discomforts of our old friend 'cognitive disonance'. I'm thinking that many folks can sense intuitively or unconsciously, an occurance of this event and the associated discomforts. So, as I cited the previous quote by Russell Targ, I have to wonder if many people unconsciously or actively avoid other views or paradigms to avoid the Buddhist "suffering" of emotional discomfort. You and I know that our only hope to understanding is to accept and even embrace this suffering as a reality and side effect (and benefit?), of the suffering of cognitive disonance. to grow as people. This is why personal research is real 'work'. Am I making sense here? What do you think?
Thanks for your continued friendship!
JordanApr 18 2013: Hi! bernard!
I'm sorry. I'm beginning to feel like a pest.
But this IS important!
A serious "Thumbs Up" must go to our freind Natasha for her kind and encouraging words!
AND her prompt to post my hypothosis of unconscious avoidance of the discomfort/ Buddhist conception of "suffering" - by thoughtfully reminding me of the "Four Noble Truths" of Buddhism!!
A BIG thanks to Natasha!
Apr 18 2013: Very well.
I shall do your will, as you so selflessly ask! :P
You are not a pest, don't worry.
Kind regards,
Bernard.Apr 18 2013: Oh Bernard!
I'm afraid I will have to drop another bomb - 'duck and cover'! :>
Check out the huffington post, deeppak chopra article under the science section dated 4.18.13.
JordanApr 18 2013: They try to make it look like a business-as-usual. But obviously, it is not.Apr 18 2013: Let's not miss the opportunity to master Aesop's language :)
"There's something fishy going on down at the sardine factory!
-I think it's fish! "
It's a big fish, my friend ! very big !
Try to imagine what impact ' mass awakening ' may have on the assembly line production/mentality/modus vivendi ... ?
The whole civilization will be in ruin !
Btw. , i am totally immune to conspiracy theories, it's just the way it is, always.
" Nothing ever changes but the Same "
Cheers !
Apr 18 2013: Hi Natasha!
Thanks again for your reply! You're very kind. I goofed - again, by making my last reply to you part of the main thread. This seems to be an obsessive-compulsive disorder on my part :) I see a dialog box and I JUST WANT TO TYPE!!!!!! :> PLease, 'stop me before I type again!' :)
JordanApr 18 2013: Thanks Natasha!
For your cheerful willingness to over look my bumbling. I know from experience that some folks do feel sensnitive about being/ having a response put out front - for a number of reasons. I just wanted to be sensitive and courteous - not knowing how all folks may feel about this.
Thanks Again,
JordanApr 17 2013: I think it already has been done. See The Scratch, below.
there is no such thing as "existing"
there is only "just is"
thus, god doesn't exist, god just is.
It's everything and it just is.
We don't really know why.
We don't really know who why.
We don't really know what why.
We don't really know when why.
We don't really know where why.
We don't really know how why.
We don't really know why why
We only think we know and that is it.
Think and we are. think and it is.
The Scratch.
Scratch yourself. Do nothing. Trust it to heal and it will.
Open up the cells that do the healing.
Keep looking deeper and deeper into those cells, halving them until they are so small,
nothing can see them, nor is there anything left there to see.
During this seeking, at no time will anyone be able to point to anything in any cell and say,
"there, that's intelligence. That's how IT knows how to heal. There, that is power. That is how IT is able to heal.
There, that is love. That is why IT heals."
But with nothing left, nothing there, we can point to that nothingness and we can all say, "IT works, IT really does."
IT just is.
Everyone who has ever lived, is living and perhaps those who will live,
have had, are having or will have, the empirical evidence of The Scratch.
There is nothing wrong with us humans,
that a good wound won't heal.
Apr 17 2013: And what is 'just is', if there is no such thing as 'existing'?
I liked it though! :) ('we don't really know...')
Kind regards,
Bernard.Apr 17 2013: I think we just view God differently then what God may really be. The collective consciousness of all of us together may very well be God. Just like how the individual Cybernetic Animals of Voltron create the bigger being of asskickery.
If we keep looking for God as this single entity, we'd never find God, but maybe we just haven't got us all in the same room and asked if God was present yet...
not to mention, I highly doubt that God would even want us to waste our time finding God, since God made us God Would want us to go outwards and live, not try and find God and ask God what's up?
It's all a matter of perception, I'm not religious I am spiritual.
Apr 21 2013: Or anything deserving to be called God may not exist.Apr 17 2013: I cleaned my oven yesterday and when I opened it up this morning there was a cupcake in it. I cannot find an explanation for it! I came back today and the oven was gone. This is the mystery.
Apr 18 2013: There is nothing but mystery. :)Apr 21 2013: I found a universe this morning. There must be a transcendent (whatever that means) oven that bakes universes.
It wont be visible. In fact it will be outside of time and space, i.e. non detectible, deliberately deceptive or aloof,, practically non existent, unexplained.Apr 16 2013: It seems to me the existance of God is a matter of faith rather than a matter of proof. Therefore no experiment or test will ever be able to prove the exsistance of God. If you have faith you will see God everywhere, if not well . . . .
Apr 16 2013: I agree. If your definition of "God" is "a personal God"! :PApr 16 2013: First of all I would like to say that I will try to address this question on the assumption that the God we are referring to is the one that has created everything, the Universe in its entirety.
I believe that God was created by man. Since man is capable of asking questions, he is capable of designing answers.
The God question is Paradox. Such paradox doesn't need to exist. It only does exist because of want and need. Do we need God? A lot do. Do we want God? I dare to answer this as 'yes' the human race wants one. This would ensure the everlasting life that religion promises. Now, how enticing is it when somebody tells you that there is a soul and promises you ever lasting life?? Pretty exciting!! They now have your attention and what precedes is a brainwashing process that has the potential of lasting a life time. This happens because religious zealots demand that you do not question, because questioning would put you in the lap of temptation, and not only would you not have a great afterlife but, you would spend it in eternal inferno. WOW This I call, CONTROL, brain washing. Man has a need and man provides the solution. Now to answer the question. The experiment would have to be on the Human brain, however this is no experiment at all. It is a study well in progress. Little by little we will realize what we truly are. Carl Sagan said it best. We are Star dust. Can this truth not be enough??? I find this amazing, wonderful, poetic, beautiful, truly everlasting. ...It is all God!! Therefore the proof is .... LOOK AROUND.
Apr 16 2013: So basically your saying your a pantheistic.
Apr 17 2013: No Bernard, not a pantheist. That would imply that I see the Universe as some sort of divine place. The Universe is a very dangerous place, it constantly tries to kill us. I was merely trying to imply that for those that need a God, they need only to look around, that it can be looked at as God. Theology tells you that we come from God. I am implying that we are of the Universe and if you want to call that God, then, we are part of God, and there is NOTHING ELSE.
Apr 17 2013: "NOTHING ELSE"
Are you certain? :PApr 17 2013: Committing to that kind of certainty is a dangerous move. :) :)Apr 13 2013: Any experiment to prove God's existence may look like an attempt within seconds to find a black sleeping cat in a dark room, having a strong suspicion that it is actually not there. And it is the best case scenario :)
There is no wrong place to find God, when it is within. There is no need to define and believe in God. God is a symbol, a word, it doesn't imply that it is not real.
Forget about experiment, try ' experience ' :)
Apr 13 2013: Hello natasha nikulina!
Yes I have experienced this emotion you call "God", yet do not find it satisfactory! And it is only inductive reasoning, which is built upon, well, my emotions. :) (Which don't prove to be very reliable...)
Yet I can accept that if a God does exist it is within! :P (And not an external being independent of the human mind!)
Actaully just read my reply (somewhere) about the psychology of religion and watch :
Don't know how this will change your perception!
Kind regards,
Apr 14 2013: uh, sorry if I missed something but... you equate god to an emotion? is this true? no wonder you are quite confused.
Apr 14 2013: Well what are you suggesting God is? :-)Apr 14 2013: i am not suggesting anything. god is much more than that and you could never label god. you could only talk about god thru metaphor, symbolism and storytelling... exactly why people who cannot let go of their ego being in control cannot find out what god is. there are at least seven major aspects of god that I can think of.
Apr 14 2013: If you could tell me what those "seven major aspects" are, and how you "know" them to be true! :P
I mean if God is undefinable , or un-label-able, then I must admit asking the question :
"Does God exist" if God is undefinable! (Because is it like saying : "Does X exist?".
You can see my problem!Apr 18 2013: Hello, Bernard White ! :)
Thanks for the link ! I am not to judge about the quality of the experiment , but i would agree with the conclusion, yes , we may say : God is in your mind, but...
but your mind is not in your head, your brain is. Brain and mind are not separate ( nothing is ) but they are not identical either. When disturbed, brain may have access to Mind ( or field of information ) usually, in normal state it doesn't deal with. You may call it ' cognitive illusion ', altered state of consciousness, insight...non algorithmic knowing, mystic experience ...what have you, but whatever it is , it is not less real than the helmet itself, actually it's where the helmet came from, alongside with everything else.
Don't take me wrong, i have noting to convert you into, but try to trust your experience, it's the primary data, it's the truest truth you can possibly get.
Your emotions are important :)
Thanks for responding !Apr 15 2013: Well said, Natashia!
Apr 18 2013: Thanks, Jordan !
I didn't say anything, actually :) I don't know how to prove what seems to me the obvious.
McLuhan once said : Whoever discovered water, certainly was not a fish.
We are swimming in the ocean of consciousness and we don't know what consciousness is.
There is nothing which is not God and we don't know what God is.
Funny, isn't it ? :)Apr 9 2013: If God does exist, then it is within human consciousness.
Which is why science could never reach it - let alone define it.
Apr 9 2013: Agree. :PApr 10 2013: What do you mean god would be in human consciousness?
Also, how did you come to this conclusion?
Apr 10 2013: It used to be thought that spiritual feelings were confined to one particular "God spot" in the brain, but has since been refuted by new research, which in a nutshell is saying that a decreased focus on the self coincides with increased feelings of spirituality. This is as a result of studying impairment or malfunction to the right parietal lobe (the centre of 'self'), and Buddhist meditative practices that effectively decrease activity in this region:
It's more likely therefore, that spiritual feelings are spread across multiple areas of the brain - different areas for different people. Which leads me to think that there is no single experiment that could ever be devised to determine the existence of God as a collective norm in humans.
Apr 10 2013: That is interesting Allan. I have read research in the past that indicated an INCREASE in right brain functioning indicates the "God spot", or higher level of spirituality. The information you provide suggests the god spot/spirituality with "decreased right parietal lobe functioning".
Whatever they come up with for research, I believe that all feelings are spread across multiple areas of the brain.....as you say....different areas for different people. Perhaps different experiences, beliefs and background information also influence....which, of course would embrace the idea of "different areas for different people".:>)
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Apr 8 2013: Re: "You are making a mockery of the idea of God! Call it character assassination!"
I totally agree. Dragging God into the realm of physically detectable things, subject to scrutiny and analysis does seem like a lack of understanding of both faith and science. God is not a giant squid.
I totally support the TEDx red flag for pseudoscience: "The fusion of science and spirituality. Be especially careful of anyone trying to prove the validity of their religious beliefs and practices by using science".
I think, attempts to present religious claims as scientific can lead to much evil as well as treating scientific beliefs with religious devotion.
Apr 8 2013: Again I am confused by this statement.
Have I tried to prove any "religious belief" by the use of science? No, in my opinion.
You view that God cannot be accessed by science and this was the question.
Also you are assuming God isn't some massive squid (this is where my Ignostic self kicks in) which controls the universe on a minor note. And if I believed that God was a really powerful squid then you would be doing mockery to my God, saying that God was not a giant squid. (And is a self-aware ultimate squid, the most powerful thing we can imagine, that is all knowing, all powerful and all loving ect.)
(In relation to your whole subjective thing, I may find what you find "mockery" not "mockery". So is "mockery" just subjective, and I can just say : It is just your opinion. Which is one of the problems I find with subjective(ness), not saying it is true or not)


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Tonyblack wrote:And part of the mystery of Vetinari is that his lovelife - if he has one - is unknown. I say keep it that way.
The Fifth Elephant. And we never actually know what they got up to, although a lot of people speculate. I've even seen (on another board) a heated arguement that Vetinari is a vampire himself.chris.ph wrote:i thought vetinari had an affair with the vampire duchess that was in damn wots the werewolve book god its to early for this brain hasnt booted up yet
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Jones was arrested following an incident that took place Dec. 23 near the power station off Pleasant Street in West Rutland, according to the Rutland County Sheriffs Department.
Jones was hunting rabbits in that area when he met another hunter Jake Duprey, 28, and his 10-year-old son. After a brief discussion, Jones decided to leave the area to Duprey and his son, according to court records.
But less than an hour later he returned with his dogs. Duprey told police when he approached Jones, the man swore at him and called him a liar.
I told him to calm down, I have my son with me. He kept on saying he was there first, Duprey told police in a statement.
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