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Greatest Singing Voice of All TimeDon't agree with the list? Vote for an existing item you think should be ranked higher or if you are a logged in, add a new item for others to vote on or create your own version of this list.
Michael Jackson is absolutely amazing I love him soo much :]
I`m Chinese, I like MJ more than I can say. MJ, the king of the world, he`s invincible. Americans should be proud of him, he has moved the world.
With out a doubt the best the world had to offer... Sadly a sudden end but the legend live on in our heartsMore comments about Michael Jackson
he is unique
He's the best
Vitas is unparalleled in vocals. To experience Vitas is to become immersed in companionship and emotion that lay dormant too long. He is the flower of all that artists have brought to us through the ages.More comments about Vitas
Range and power. At a live performance her voice penetrates and makes the hair stand on the back of your neck.
Simply the best. Strength, range, her voice is amazing. She has it all. Take a listen all you auto-tune "singers". Ann Wilson is the gold standard.
Greatest female rock voice of all time!
She is number one, her range is unreal!
Sarah is the Perfection in music. She is just WONDERFUL!
Just amazing...
I love Brightman. Think she's underrated; doesn't seem to get the attention she deserves. She's also really beautiful.More comments about Sarah Brightman
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No one, I mean no one can deliver a song like this guy. A delicately powerful voice and unmatched and skill. Just pure tone, it's ethereal.
Not only does Perry have the golden voice, but he sings with a passion that is simply non-existent. In "Open Arms" he says to "believe what I say"... And we do!
What can be said other that Steve Perry's voice comes once in a life time. The sound of his voice is heaven and that just make your heart melt. Just write a song any song and Steve Perry can sing it.More comments about Steve Perry - Journey
The first man to create a solo voice orgy.
The best voice in the history of rock and roll, the leading singer of my dream band. A pristine voice accompanied by a flamboyant character.
Freddie Mercury could sing anything from rock to opera, he has a 3 1/2 octave range and he entertained, he was magical.
iloveviolenceMore comments about Freddie Mercury - Queen
Amazing voice this lady has!
Without a doubt Shirley Bassey has one of the greatest voices of all time! With such a powerful voice she can sing in just about any genre of music you give her.
Frank Sinatra, the chairman of the Board once said, 'Take Shirley Bassey who has the greatest set of vocal pipes in the world! "
Shirley Bassey's voice is awesome!More comments about Shirley Bassey
They don't call him the King for nothing. The richest and most versatile voice in modern history
He is the absolute greatest musician of all-time. He can sing those low and slow love songs, but also kick it up with some fast rock songs. Very versatile.
SUCH TENDER TONES BUT ABLE TO ROUGH IT UP TO SUIT! THE GREATEST EVER. HIS VOICE CAN MAKE YO CRY!More comments about Elvis Presley
Marie is awesome!
The best singing voice of all time = Marie Picasso
Mariah Carey is my favorite singer. I mean her voice is the reason why. She should be called the Goddess of Pop. But she should've been in the
Top 5. Best female artist of all time.
When you hear Carey sing, its like listening to an angel. There's so much to her voice that cannot be compared to the likes of Celine Dion and Whitney Houston. The power, the range, the quality, and the soul of her voice are beyond talented! She's undoubtedly the Queen of Pop, Queen of Rnb, Queen of Billboard Charts, Queen of Melismas, and The Voice of our Generation!
The best female recording artist in history, I mean do I need to explain more?!More comments about Mariah Carey
No one can sing as well as whitney she is so amazing her control is out of this world and the power that comes out of her is unreel all proffesinal singers are very good because they would not beying doing what they are doing if they were not very good but whitney is a new level no singer is nowhere as amazing flawless siger as she was umblevible the best voice to ever grace this planet
Whitney reached something that seemed to be beyond human possibilities. Through her life she herself proved that sometimes in this world there happens a combination that is unrepeatable, and that only a combination may amuse all. Not even one person in this world can tell - I don't like it. She reached something unexplainable, through her voice she enters to every person's heart. The combination of delicacy and power, genes, individual talent, intelligence, kindness and self confidence. Charisma and beauty. Ideal. Extreme positive. Still I would prefer she saved herself and sang only to the few. Remember all, your own being for yourself and your family and close friends and a happy peaceful life is worth more than any fame. Always put away everything when you suspect it is harmful to you. No matter if it is drugs, alcohol, sex, music or another person. Never let anyone to hurt you. If you won't let it happen no one will do it to you. Don't run away. Pick only what you want and need and ignore the rest. Ignorance to the world this is what will let you survive. Take care only for your peace and quiet. If only she knew how to ignore.
Whitney Houston is by far the best vocalist of all time. The complexity of her inflections, as well as the versatility and colors of her tone, made her into one of the most unique singers that you could have ever heard. Her tone was light and airy, but at the same time she could convert to darker tones. She's like the Maria Callas of pop music. Sure Ms. Carey comes close, and has a wider range MC - 5.5 octaves, WH - 4.3 octaves, but her tone was never as clear, soulful, or as strong as Whitney's. Rachelle Ferrell is undoubtedly the only one that could trump both.More comments about Whitney Houston
Best voice the human race could ever produce in history. Voters here should be ashamed of theirselves for not putting her at the top of the chart.
There's not enough words to describe Christina Aguilera's voice. It's powerful. Soulful, raw, beautiful, sweet, emotionful, rich and strong. She's the best female singer in the world. There's NO other singer in the world who can sing like her, who can sing each genre of music so perfectly. Every single song, every note she sings seizes to amaze and capture my attention with awe. Lots of singers are amazed how amazing she sounds.
Christina Aguilera IS THE VOICE. SHE IS A LEGEND. A VOCAL ICON.
By far the best voice of all time, shes the whole package. Her voice is timeless and I don't think another like hers will come around.
WE love you celine!
There is nobody out there that will ever even come close to compare to her she's unstoppable what I would like to see is somebody on the voice sing a Celine Dion song why haven't I seen that it can't be done
I thought we said best voice of all time? Celine dion, Arethra Franklin, Mariah, Whitney, Patsy Cline, etc... You know, good voices. Where does Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Steve Perry, etc - good dancers, entertainers fit in on this list. This list is almost a complete waste for finding good voices because some people junked it up with singers that belong in different categories.More comments about Celine Dion
Her voice is perfection, there are none better!
Clear and soulful voice. Not a screaming lunatic like the current female singers of today.
No woman can sing better than her.More comments about Karen Carpenter - The Carpenters
This man sings like an angel, classical, rock, falsetto, he can do it all!
One of the best voices I ve ever heard! So emotional and powerful. He makes every song special. There is not one song of him that I don't like.
Among a world filled with overpowering Britney Spears stands above the rest. Her unique vocals allows her voice to hit every emotion, and that is what puts her above the rest.
From her debut charismatic vocals in the timely classic "... Baby one more time"(1998) to her seductive, yet appealingly unique and sexy, vocals in "Toxic" (2004), Britney Spears has proven that she is the whole package. First striping herself down to the world in 1998, she showed that she was like no other teenage girl and neither was her voice. Although not of the strongest in her generation, her voice will forever be quickly identifiable and grab our attentions faster than the 6 o clock news on 9/11.
she touches me when she sings and I think that's what makes a great artist, it's not about how loud you sing or about how you can hit high notes, it's how real you are and she has that, Everytime is a pop masterpieceMore comments about Britney Spears
Declans voice as a boy singer was without any doubt the purest and most enjoyable, way ahead of his contempories. Add to that his appealing natural personality, he was a winner, a star - but where are you now Declan? you can still win the hearts of your fans and the British people with your great mature voice. If Sir Cliff Richard can do it, you certainly can... looking forward to hearing more of your singing in the future!
he has a voice from heaven!he is so lovely and handsome
Declan is NOT an angel. Hes just a person with a voice as wide as a field of grass. A very nice field of grass.More comments about Declan Galbraith
Chithra from India has an excellent voice range(octaves). Her voice is soothing and she is the voice of Asia.
Excellent list of songs by Chithra. She has won numerous awards including national awards.
she is having great singing voice than any others
Her voice is heart touching, she ablity to sing all kind of songs from bottom of heart
signature voice that been love of the million people in the whole wolrd... nothing else but he...
He has mad skills for vocals!
pure awesome he could sing any note perfectlyMore comments about Axl Rose
He makes you feel like singing out like he does. no one comes close. beautiful.
Britney Spears? That has to be a joke! Her voice is a joke without vocal enhancements and she lip-syncs at her concerts. Her presence on this list makes this whole list worthless.More comments about Josh Groban
Even Elvis said Roy was the best singer ever. But I don't need Elvis to say it, Iknow it.
Right behind bing Crosby as worlds greatest all time singer.
Of course no other human has ever matched Crosby
Greatest range/depth of any singer... Period. Even has Elvis beat.
Sorely missed. RIP Roy... You touched lives like no other!
She is definitely the best female vocalist of the 20th century. It's beyond doubt that she has what it takes to make it to the top tep.
Kelly Clarkson is most certainly one of the best vocalists of all time. The inagural winner of American IDol wowed the world with her incredible vocals and still today is considered as one of the best singers of all time, simply because her voice is so rich and power. On top of the clairty of her voice, she is also the most versatile singer of all time. Being able to change her voice to fit almost any genre, in her albums she has sang pop, pop-rock, rock, country, blues, R&B, urban, and almost any other style of music imagineable. She is the vocal chameleon when it comes to singing.
by far the bestMore comments about Kelly Clarkson
Frank is the greatest singer ever, should be number 1
Frank Sinatra... need I say more? should be number ONE - people its not just about who is popular at the moment, listen to Sinatra's back catalog, his voice is magic. Outclasses almost everyone on this list!
Just listen to Sinatra's 1955 rendition of "In the wee small hours of the morning" it's an example of one of his hundreds of perfectly sung songs
Best creative spirit and a unique voice. This guy is a natural that created a brand new genre of music.
this guy must be in 1st place!
Should not be behind Britney Spears... and I don't hate Britney.More comments about Kurt Cobain - Nirvana
Elkie Brooks is without doubt the best female singer the U. K. has produced. Her concerts are a must see. Powerful voice.
Sings Rock, Blues , Jazz. GREAT
I think his voice is evenly matched with paul mccartney's and I love hearing him sing his unique and creative songs.
Lennon And McCartney #1 and 2.More comments about John Lennon
she has a beautiful voice
She has one of the most beautiful, unique voices in my opinion, no one before or after her!
Most underrated voice of all timeMore comments about Amy Lee - Evanescence
he's one of the best singers. and that for almost 25 years!
he has such a great voice
Amazing voice
The First Lady of Soul
He can sing as soft or as hard as anyone in this list. Is this the most famous voices or entertainers list? I thought the question was best voices? Listen to his live stuff (covers too)and then listen to the other's live stuff.
Chris has a unique, powerful voice, no wonder his was chosen for a James Bond film theme. A Humble genius.
He has the greatest range. What's the world coming to when people think that Kelly Clarkson has a better voice than Chris. I'm getting angry.More comments about Chris Cornell
#1 Top vocalist of ALL time. I have yet to hear another that I absolutely love to hear at any given time. His passion for what he believes comes out in the strength of his songs weather it be personal or public. His voice has effected millions and makes me fell that he cares for me and how I feel even though he doesn't know me personally.
Eddie vedder has a golden baritone voice, and screams like no other.
Eddie Vedder has had 27 singles and has sold more than 28 million albums. Pearl Jam is a first ballot Hall of Fame band and he can bring it.
Long live Hetfield and Metallica! Definitely one of the best in the business. And I agree about "The Unforgiven IV. "
Absolutely brilliant singer (especially in 'The Unforgiven II', "No leaf clover' (S&M), 'Loverman', 'Nothing else matters' and 'Mama said' - we need muuch more songs like these! ) Waiting for 'The Unforgiven IV', which should be 'Forgiven'!
James Hetfield Rulezzz
Metallica For ever
great Voice
she s very very talented person. unique voice, record breaker, sold out concert local @ international, kind, beautiful, and of course she is box office queen.
She is really one of a kind...
''i really love her lovely voice, she really is a song princess! ''More comments about Sarah Geronimo
he should be first because he IS a classically trained opera singer who can sing metal amazingly
Bruce is GOD. The most amazing voice I've ever heard, it's like he's an opera singer. He's THAT amazing! He inspired me to start singing.
Sam Cooke is the greatest singer of all time!
One of the best versatile singer of all time. He is simply incomparable and his voice is timeless. The Prince of Soul.
A good list but where is Robert Plant? Sam Cooke's voice is beautiful.More comments about Sam Cooke
Not only the best voice hands down but Probably the most overlooked as well.
Just pure! Listening to Dean make you feel alive
what a voice!
Avril Lavigne proved that she's the best by changing with the times and getting more mature. Her singing, vocals and songs have gotten even better over the years and deserves to be on this list.
She still can sing live.
Clear strong voice that stays in tuneMore comments about Avril Lavigne
A beautiful voice. She belongs in the top 10. She is very easy to listen to.
And, a great stage presence. Not over-done like so many others.
And, her speaking voice is to die for. Sweetest Hackney accent I've ever heard.
she honestly has an amazing voice, ye get goosebumps when she sings
I like leona bcoz of her sizzling twister voice that captures listerns attention.. its really a whirlwind and sotthing voice you ever listen to in bed
I totally agree with Patsy cline, a lot of these singers are on here because they had help with computer dubbing, but when Patsy cline sang a song it was all done live in the those days, you just can't fake that and many singers can't even do that when making records these days because they cant, her vocal range would knock the hell out of the 32 before, she was the queen of country and pop the first to crossover and make it big with no holes barred. Just listen to "Sweet Dreams" and you'll understand
A Vocal range of 4 octaves, 4 octaves!
It is apparent from these "greatest of all time" standings that most of those voting have only been exposed to the works of artists of the last few years. That, of course dictates but also limits their tastes. They have been robbed of the opportunity to experience and appreciate many of the true vocal incons with Patsy Cline foremost among themMore comments about Patsy Cline
greatest gospel singer that ever lived
It is always a matter of taste because everybody is different, but this lady could kill someone and still be invited into Heaven. To say that this lady has a gift is putting it mildly.
Astoundingly influential singer and recording artist who influenced multiple genres and artists, in his day and generationally, in ways most of them don't even realize. His voice blanketed the world in his day. Easily a top 3 voice, if not No. 1.
Cant believe others have not voted for Bing! Hands down a top 5 voice of all time.
don't even make me explain.
another tearful song "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"
Judy Garland is one of the greatest voice in history! Frank Sinatra once said "every time she sings a piece of her dies". Should be in top 10
His voice is most beautiful I've ever heard.. He sounds like angel... I think he has the most unique voice ever... Nobody can sing like him..
His voice is absolutely undescribable... it's amazing.
Very unique tone, solid range, very good ear, can perform acapella, and can really write a tune! Great deliverance as well!
No one can screem like him
He has one of the highest ranges of voices I've ever heard. He has a unique voice that can't be touched by anyone else. He is the DEMON OF SCREMIN!
he is amazing he can sing anything!More comments about Steven Tyler - Aerosmith
The Greatest voice ever period! The voice from God! He could sing anything from Opera to Pop with equal genius! Toscanini said he had the voice of the 20th century! The great Marie Callas said after his death that he had the greatest voice she had ever heard!
I grew up listening to so many styles of music for which I am unbelievably grateful. My grandmother listened to Mario Lanza and it trained my ear for the power and skill of the vocal instrument. I love all music today and Mario helped start that.
He had the best voice ever, I've never heard an equal.
Nobody interprets a song like this lady, and she can sing in almost any genre without losing her renowned style. At her best very few could compete with her, and anyone that could would have to be someone like Streisand, Bassy, or Ella, and I'm sure they would all have given Lady Soul the RESPECT she deserves. I appreciate that we all like different styles but I'm very surprised Aretha is as low down this list. She's been an inspiration to many of the singers on the list eg Mariah Carey, and I'm sure she will continue to be an inspiration long after her days.
she is the number singer of all time-vocals are phenomenal. she picks up a crowd like anyone wouldn't believe. she should be everybodies pick
The Greatest Of them All!
Come on, has to be the greatest male artist ever.
I am from Central America and so I get to hear all singers from across the world... Luther was one of Gods Angels! I can't wait to get to heaven to hear him sing in person.
Respect to all the other great voices. BUT! Luther is without a doubt the most incredible voice that he must hve been touch by GOD himself. Miss you Luther R.I.P.More comments about Luther Vandross
What about Barbra Streisand? She and Judy Garland are the best singers of all time. They both sing the song with their whole heart in it.
Janis Joplin. Queen of the Acid Rock genre
I love love love her and she is truly he best ever!
Best voice of all time! No one can compare to La Divina!
I could believe, a voice coached by God himself. I know little of music. I only know what I love. And this woman's voice I truly love. If I had to choose two words to descibe her voice I would say devine and sublime. All I can say is lucky angels who get to listen to this voice for eternity.
how they made his voice so bassy when it wasn't originally made him famous
his voice strikes the eardrums beautifully. I like the most his voice in the song Before You Go
Pure, perfect pitch, clear tone, haunting melodies, will make you tear up.
Hayley has one of the most beautiful angelic voices of all time. Once you've heard her sing Pie Jesu you'll never want to hear another version.
Her voice is just hypnotic. So beautiful, unique and different in almost very song. I caught myself crying everytime I think of her death :_(
I voted for aaliyah because I loved her and of course because she is the greatest female singer ever period
she had a very unique voice like she could sing both alto and soprano she had it allMore comments about Aaliyah
Every song by Stevie makes you fall in love with her. Great voice.
Sexy voice, and Silver Springs! Come on People!
She'll never be duplicated
Sexy voice with a eye for flair!
Shakira as a unique conralto voice, that stands out from other bland singers around
Unique versatile and beautiful voice.
she has the most beautiful voice!
is there actually any song ever, better than the original sexual healing from the vocal cords of the king himself?... there has never been. marvin was and still is the best.
What a beautiful voice! Lost too soon.
beautiful velvet voiceMore comments about Marvin Gaye
In terms of sheer power and range and her ability to make every song, her own or a remake, an incredible song. She can also hold a note longer than any other singer alive and do it while rolling on the floor!
Natural God given talent
Absolutely no comparison, Jeff's range vocally with so much emotion never fail to bring me to tears. Let alone his ability to sing so many styles of music. He has no equal.
Simply the best. Just listen to 'Grace' and tell me he isn't the most talented singer to ever walk this planet.
Charlotte is the first voice I ever heard where I mentally thought "Wow! This has to be what angels sound like. " Lots of others a close second. Let's be real. Mariah Carey and Steve Perry are tough to beat. Definitely a lot of good ones to choose from.
I am hearing impaired and have trouble making out sounds. Charlotte's voice is the first one that actually appealed to me. It's pure and clear
Absolutely gorgeous!
The absolute best voice ever... And I love Emmy lou Harris' voice too and when the sing a song together it's magic. Linda is pure, unstrained and beautiful to listen to.
Best performing opera star during the Golden Age of opera (1873-1921). His Style and voice set the standard from the 1890's until the present for dramatic tenors. Take a listen some time. Anticipate goosebumps.
She has one of the most beautiful, naturally jazz voices of all time. And when she sings with Frank Sinatra it's a beautiful thing.
Deep voice that resonates with you forever.
Most popular baritone of the 20th century... and gorgeous looking to boot!
Beautiful classically trained lyric baritone voice. Rich, mellow, honey-gold timbre. Excellent technique, clarity of diction. Nelson`s voice was sincere, passionate and extremely versatile. Nelson could sing almost any song and make it his own.
I think Elvis is greatest
and next is Dusty
Garou is an amazing singer who can sing any type of music he wants! His voice is so powerful and full of emotions! He is so talented!
My most favorite singer of all time. Very powerful voice. Should be higher on this list in my opinion.
He can sing both old rock songs and his own compositions, in French and English, what's not to love?
For the win!
What a clear beautiful voice. And in his youth, positively gorgeous. catch him in Kiss me Kate and Calamity Jane.
Most popular operatic singer in movie history... inspired many young singers... check out her opera scenes in 'Rose Marie, ' 'San Francisco' and 'Maytime, ' for which she received the SAG Best Actress award in 1937.
no other singer can surpass his performance of the song EL PASO
The best by far. Nobody close to this guy. Golden tones and velvet voice are unmatched. Listen to any Mavericks song and see if you don't agree.
He should have won X Factor instead of that Peon
The first opera singer to grace the stages of any Idol competition in the world, this X Factor runner up has the voice of Andrea Bocelli, Josh Groban and Luciano Pavarotti (all legends) smushed into one beautiful talent
simply the best
Probably the best voice of the 20th Century - not called 'La Stupenda' for nothing... the rest of the nominators are on drugs
If you haven't heard "What a Wonderful World" and teared up a little...
Heart breaking magic
Her voice- pure gold. It has that nice roughness that plays out in the sadder less happy songs "Summertime" I can't even describe it.
Let's not forget about the Queen of House Music, former Weather Girl and backup singer for Sylvester, and the woman who's searing vocals put C
Arguably, the best white voice in pop history. Beautiful, gothic, 60's pop. Morphed into a favorite of the punks, then disappeared. Unbelievable story... Would make a great movie!
Rich quality surpassed by few in the modern music business.
Best voice, why even bother asking?
jagged little pill changed my life! Alanis 4 eva!
jagged little pill changed my life! Alanis 4 eva!
alanis is the best in the world
Just beautiful. Soulful, eerie and touching. Anyone who has not heard him yet should check him out!
He has a very good soul voice, and he was on the greatest show (Chappelle's show).
He is a god...
I bumped people after hearing her sing for 2 seconds.
Truly great SINGER. He has superior control of his voice and can hit 4 octaves of notes. Hes all around amazing with his voice and stage presence.
I looked at your list and was disappointed that Minnie Riperton wasn't on there, I mean COME ON... she had a 5 1/2 Octave vocal range... even higher that Mariah Carrey... she deserves better treatment than that!
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His voice is AWESOME. You can always fell the emotion in his voice, wether he's pissed off like in Bury Me In Black, or wanting to have fun like in Na Na Na.
His voice is gentle yet rough at the same time. It's just beautiful and powerful. Like an angel�
He has SUCH an emotional, amazing voice... He either makes you want to scream with him or cry when he sounds like he's about to.
England's jewel. Perfect pitch, range, timing. Gave hope to millions in their darkest hours.
"We'll Meet Again" and "The White Cliffs of Dover" actually bring tears to your eyes.
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Why We Need Occupy Wall Street
Today—the same day that New York's Mayor Bloomberg had his cops clear Zuccotti Park—Richard Fisher, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, called for breaking up America's biggest banks, calling them "too dangerous to permit." Also today, Warren Buffett, in an interview posted on the Business Wire of Berkshire Hathaway, his company, continued his criticism of American plutocracy. "Through the tax code, there has been class warfare waged, and my class has won," Buffett said. "It's been a rout. You have seen a period where American workers generally have gone no place, and where the really super rich as a group increased their incomes five for one in this rarified atmosphere."
All of which suggests that Occupy Wall Street has already been a stunning success in changing the nation's public discourse. Not that Fisher and Buffett hadn't criticized our economic policies well before OWS set up shop in Zuccotti Park, but they are now not just rich and powerful voices crying out in the wilderness. As the following post from Politico's Ben Smith illustrates, OWS really has altered what the media talk about—the chart measures a Nexis search of print stories, Web stories, and broadcast transcripts that used the term "income inequality," measured by week:
It runs from 91 instances in the week before the occupation started to almost 500 instances in the last week of October.
Not that the rising concern over inequality has permeated the Beltway. Democrats on the budget Super Committee, in an effort to meet the Republicans halfway (which is really three-quarters of the way, but that's another story) have agreed not to raise taxes for the wealthiest Americans above their current 35 percent level. (Raising the capital gains tax, as best we know, never even came up.) Equally awful, Democrats on the supercom may settle for a deal that makes cuts now but defers tax increases to future actions of congressional committees. That's some deal, guys. The Republicans sold you a bridge to nowhere, huh?
In other words, we need Occupy Wall Street to keep on keeping on and to inspire us to lean on our elected representatives to stop cosseting the rich and start rebuilding the nation.
Thu, 2011-11-17 08:07
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If the Republicans go into 2012 relying on their old trope that increasing taxes on the wealthy is a job killer they will lose. 2012 will be decided by independent voters who long ago realized this to be self-serving hogwash.
I am a business owner in the top quintile of earners (though certainly not the top 1%). Higher marginal tax rates would encourage me to take less money out of my business for personal consumption leaving more to invest in expansion and new jobs. The rationale is that by expanding the business I create more value so that if and when I sell the business I recoup that investment at the much lower capital gains tax rates.
Mr. Obama has, until the coming election forced his hand, demonstrated a profound lack of interest in the economy beyond rubbing warm, scented oils into the tight shoulders of his friends on Wall Street. Now that he has taken notice, his impotence and fecklessness in improving conditions for the bottom four quintiles is astonishing.
2012 will almost certainly see a third party candidate in the race. The Democrats are welded to the parochial interests of a few core constituencies and the Republicans are welded to a few of theirs. Neither party is offering meaningful, sensible solutions to the problems facing the majority of Americans.
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Thu, 2011-11-17 15:29
You're not a business owner, and the tax situation that you insist would pertain (Higher marginal tax rates on income versus capital gains encouraging investment in the business rather than taking income) already exists. If it takes government tax policy to incentivize you to do the right thing with your business, then you're not a very good business person. Expanding a business is a decision based on whether there is a market and demand for the expansion, not if the tax situation favors it. The tax implications are a marginal component of the decision vastly overtaken by the ROI based on available market share. Spinning your fantasy to convince someone that independent business owners are going to vote Obama unless the Super-committee shoves higher marginal tax rates down the throats of everyone making over $200,000.00 a year is a pathetic attempt and bandwagon politics.
Let's face it, regardless of tax policy, whether it's higher or lower rates, more or less regressive, or a narrower or broader base, the Government has succeeded in spending more money than it has taken in consistently and continuously. The size of government continues to grow at a rate far outpacing the combination of population growth plus inflation, and in the end, it hasn't solved a single problem that it keeps insisting it must have more money for. It's time to STOP the growth of Government at a minimum, and pare it back where we can. It's become too much for the people to afford, especially in tight economic times. The idea that government money can "stimulate" the economy forgets that the Government has NO money and must take it OUT of the economy and skim their percentage before it gets put back in. So now we have 60 cents to stimulate with instead of the dollar that the private citizen had to spend.....less net economic activity. Wake up people. Class warfare will kill us all in the long run.....just study the French Revolution.........
Thu, 2011-11-17 18:38
Au contraire - I've started and owned two business, worked in my father's small business, and was a line officer (having nothing to do with mortgage finance) at three major international financial corporations. I have four degrees in economics and finance - two of them Masters. And the tax situation I insist would pertain does not pit income taxes against cap gains taxes - favorable economic results come from lowering both. As for your ROI, I'll counter with my WACOC - which is a key determinant of ROI. (Look it up in any business school text.) But as to class warfare, you're right on.
Thu, 2011-11-17 11:20
OK. I will agree with you as soon as the Hollywood elite do. After all let's be fair. As soon as Matt Daman, Shawn Penn and the rest of the elite, agree to limit their pay to 20 times what the camera man makes. Why are they making $20 million for a movie that they could not make with out the camera man? Why should they get their money up front and keep it, even if the movie loses money. They have to give up the residuals because the workers don't, i.e. camera, sound, make up etc. That's just not fair to the workers. Maybe if they agree to do that the ticket price will be $4.00 or $5.00 instead of $12 to $15 and the workers that work on the movies will be able to take their families to the movies they worked on, and maybe the popcorn would be $2.00 instead if $8.00. While we're at it, the authors and intellectuals elite need to limit their pay to 20 times what the printers in the publishing house makes. No more $10 million book advance for Obama and Clinton. It's not fair they make so much, when they couldn't get the book printed with out the workers. Maybe then the hard cover book cost $6.00 instead of $35.00 and the workers could afford it.
Ridiculous isn't it! However, it does sound FAIR. Fair is in the eyes of the beholder, if your ox is being gored it's not fair. So who is to determine what is fair? The Gov't is the worst at determining what is fair. Money and politics always get in the way. The market always is the best solution. If people don't like something they won't buy it or support it or vote for it. We need to stop thinking BIG GOVERNMENT knows best. Why would we think that?
Thu, 2011-11-17 15:25
There are conceptual reasons behind certain "preferences" in the tax code. Capital gains tax rates are lower than earned income rates because the former often takes place over many years. The gain calculated by the difference between the purchase and sales prices is exposed to inflation. The preference is intended to compensate for the effect of that inflation. Conservatives long ago offered up indexing gains for inflation but there were no takers.
Also higher marginal rates have little effect on how much money you "take out" of your business. As a "S" corp, your income is taxed, not what you "take out". Higher marginal income tax rates reduce ROI and therefore reduce investments by businesses, not the other way around. I own a business. Are you sure you do too?
Thu, 2011-11-17 18:12
Ooooh, a National Discussion on Income Inequality! Will this be like the National Discussion on Race, which included no frank discussion of race issues at all, or will it be like the National Discussion on Civility, which consisted entirely of name-calling and ratcheted-up incivility? I can't wait.
The trouble is that those who call for "discussions" rarely want true discussions. This article is a case in point. There are real issues with income inequality (and, more to the point, middle class stagnation and erosion) but they only marginally involve the tax code (pre-tax income inequality is greater than post-tax income inequality, despite what the author seems to want readers to believe). They involve complex systemic issues which are difficult to address (and which require real discussion). Many of these are issues which politicians don't want anyone to talk about, like excessive immigration's impact on labor rates.
I would like to see someone calling for a "national discussion" actually try to promote discussion for once, and not just devote his efforts to advancing a pre-existing partisan/ideological agenda.
Fri, 2011-11-18 13:51
Fri, 2011-11-18 14:08
America is tracking the trend line to End Of Empire laid by
Over extension worldwide on Debt.
Small group own most of the wealth
10% own 70% net wealth 80% own 15%
10% own 70% financial wealth 80% own 7%
10% take 50% individual Income 50% take 13%
70/15 70/7 50/13 = 190/35
Simplistic-- clear picture—can you see it? Congress cannot! White House cannot!
Each of 10% own $7 of net wealth and each of 80% own $0.18
Each of 10% own $7 of financial wealth and each of 80% own $0.09
Each of 10% take $5 of individual income and each of 50% take $0.16
$7 to 18 cents ratio: 700:18
$7 to 7 cents 700:7
$5 to 16 cents 500:16
Is that not a picture of Third World Country?
Is that not a picture of England in End of Empire?
Is that not a picture of a Dictatorship
I cannot paint a clearer picture but sadly our president is too busy preaching to his choirs
The members of congress are too busy counting $$$$$$$$$$$$$ from Wall Street.
Ministers of America $$$$$$$$$ Got Your Tongues?
Where are our leaders? Counting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$??????
If my numbers are wrong advise email@example.com I correct.
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