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PANAMA CITY BEACH — A dropped flight to Orlando will mean considerably less money for Southwest Airlines to market flights to Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport this year.
The Bay County Tourist Development Council (TDC) approved an amendment to its cooperative marketing agreement with Southwest on Tuesday that will reduce the agency's contribution by about $1 million.
In dropping its daily service to Orlando, Southwest broke contracts held with tourist development councils in both Bay and Walton counties, which required the airline to provide daily flights to at least four destinations.
The council followed Walton County's lead in reducing its bed tax contribution to the airline by 50 percent, a $750,000 cut for the Walton County TDC.
"This allows us to maintain that balance between the resources we're investing in the co-op with the resources South Walton is investing in the co-op," said TDC Director Dan Rowe. Southwest is "very happy with the dollars we're bringing to the table."
Rowe said the agency will continue a positive relationship with Southwest despite the reductions.
"Our relationship with Southwest is very strong," Rowe said. "The co-op program has worked very well in the past and it will continue to serve us well."
The Bay County Commission enacted an additional 1 percent bed tax to help promote low-budget airlines as Southwest eyed the Bay County market prior to the new airport's opening. The TDC has contributed 90 percent of funds collected to the marketing agreement since then.
Less money for marketing Northwest Florida will mean a reduction in Southwest's advertising schedule, pulling ads from the Orlando market and putting a greater emphasis on the Baltimore, Chicago and Texas markets, Rowe said.
"I think that we are well-served with the new arrangement," Rowe said. "As tourist destinations go, it is the Texas, Midwest and mid-Atlantic markets that are much more important to us as a tourist market than Orlando was."
Another perk from the amendment for the TDC, Rowe said, is the agency's added ability to use Southwest's Super Saver programs, which will allow discounted flights for large groups.
"It allows us to be able to work with them if we have a tournament coming in or a conference coming in," Rowe said. "Doing additional activities during the non-peak travel season, in addition to helping us fill rooms, it helps them fill seats."
Discussion ensued among the council on what the leftover funds would be used on.
Rowe said the dollars not contributed to the contract could go toward marketing Panama City Beach independent of Southwest in the airline's current markets or toward recruiting additional discount airlines to the local airport.
"We're having those conversations with the airlines," Rowe said. "Unfortunately there's nothing we can report, but those discussions are going on."
Board member and Panama City Beach Mayor Gayle Oberst motioned to approve the amendment and requested a plan be brought back to the council for use of the remainder of the funds. The total cut will be $970,000, reducing the TDC's total contribution from $2.2 million to $1.23 million.
Board member Yonnie Patronis cast the only dissenting vote, stating he felt the board was premature in taking action on the amendment.
"I want to know where we're going to go with this block of money," said Patronis, who spoke in favor of channeling more funds toward the marketing co-op.
Board member Andy Phillips said while recruiting Southwest was a huge win for the area, Southwest is not the only outlet capable of opening new markets and garnering exposure for Panama City Beach.
"Whether it's with Southwest or not, we need to continue to emphasize bringing in new people," Phillips said. "Once we get them here, we're going to get them back."
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Also Tuesday, the TDC reported a 15.5 percent increase in bed tax collections in August over the previous year, marking the 17th consecutive month of increases for the agency. The increase puts the total year-to-date bed tax increase for the TDC at 12.7 percent.
The council also reported bed tax collections in Mexico Beach up 6 percent for August, with a 14 percent year-to-date increase.


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BONIFAY — Holmes County Board of County Commissioners approved extending Holmes County's State of Emergency by seven days after a brief update and recommendation was given by Director of Emergency Management Wanda Stafford at their July 9 meeting.
"What saved us from some heavy flooding was that there was not that much rain in the northern part of the county," said Stafford. "Along with us, Bay, Walton and Washington Counties were hit pretty hard."
Stafford explained that in order for Florida to declare a State of Emergency there has to be a total of $26 million in damage to Florida.
"I don't think it's going to be that hard to reach that amount," said Stafford. "For Holmes County the damage assessment is $680,000 and rising because all of our assessments aren't done yet; there was $15 million dollars worth of damage in Washington County and if you add the damage done in Vernon alone the damage is up to $19 million. I think the addition of the damage done in Bay County will more than put us over the required $26 million, though we still have to have the president sign a Federal State of Emergency for Florida before we can get financial help."
She said they are still assessing damages in Holmes County, adding that it was safe to assume, like Washington County, all dirt roads were affected.
"All of our roads are needing grading, shaping and ditches cleared," said Stafford. "All in all it went well. The men came out and worked through the holiday."
Board approved of Stafford's request to use the county engineers to accompany Federal Emergency Management Agency agents if the government approves of funding.
Commissioner David Whitaker voiced his concerns about a local resident whose residential area was flooded with dirt from a county maintained road where a culvert was clogged and with the recent rain washed the road into her yard.
"I know it's a private area but it's our fault that the road emptied into her yard," said Whitaker. "I think it is our responsibility. We need to fix it."
County Attorney Jeff Goodman said that under a state of emergency they had more flexibility.
"These are unusual circumstances," said Goodman. "That's why a state of emergency is in place; for flexibility. This is about the health, safety and well being of the citizens and we shouldn't not help because of the policy."
After much discussion the Board agreed that as long as the county was under a State of Emergency then they would extend help to those in need.
County Engineers Cliff Knauer and Whitney Nelson assured the Board that they were available to help in developing a list of driveways in desperate need of repair.
Commissioner Bill Parish asked Goodman if any employee was able to refuse to work overtime.
"During those days when we needed workers the most we had quite a few that were refusing to answer their phones, failed to return phone calls and even had their phones turned off," said Parish. "We even had some road foremen who didn't go out until a commissioner called them out. I think they should have full range and know that after a rain like we had they're going to need to be out there with every able body they can to fix it."
Goodman confirmed that it is in their right to require their employees to work overtime and to be on standby for their services to be rendered.
Commissioner Bobby Sasnet also asked for a recommendation of action for those roads with deep cracks.
"When that water seeps in and settles in the foundation all that traffic is going to just bust it loose," said Sasnet.
Nelson recommended a crack sealant commonly used in Jackson County.
"It won't fix the problem but it will prolong the life of the road by protecting the base from moisture," said Nelson. "I'll come to the next board meeting with a price quote, but if I remember correctly, it's fairly cheap."
Board discussed the upcoming Solid Waste Franchise Agreement Renewals.
"Now's the time for questions, comments and concerns," said Williams. "We've been having some issues with trash being strewn all over God's green earth because of an open ended trash truck. We're getting a lot of 'oops, that wasn't us,' and when we prove it we get a lot of 'oops, we'll never do it again' and I'm sick of it."
Goodman said that the real question was if they wanted to keep the multiple franchise agreement.
"To you want to spend the money and man power to keep up with a multiple franchise agreement?" asked Goodman. "That's a lot of time and man power to keep up with everyone's status, like proof of insurance. Also if you do keep the multiple franchise agreement you'll have to look into health standards, putting teeth in your agreement to make sure these franchises are living up to their end of the bargain and a possible bond just in case they don't so you can protect those citizens who are paying for these services."
Board agreed to a workshop to discuss what should be done with the Solid Waste Franchise Agreement.
Board agreed to allow Knauer to look into how much it would cost to put a mesh trap at the Holmes County Correctional Institute's sewer line because Parish had informed them that the City of Bonifay was in straits with items being dragged from the institute's sewer line into the Waste Water Treatment Facility, getting stuck in pumps and burning the motors.
"We can put in a screen to filter those items for a decent price and just have the inmates clean it out on a daily basis," said Knauer.
Board approved of a resolution against illegal immigration with a vote of 4 to 1, with Parish voting "no."
"People who enter the United States illegally should not receive any benefits from American taxpayers," read Williams. "All United States boards should be totally secured and 100 percent verified and any person in the U.S. illegally should receive no amnesty. I wholeheartedly agree."
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Holmes County Board of County Commissioners is set for 6 p.m. on July 30.


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In a candid and lively exchange with journalism students, athletes, sports reporters, and the general public at Kent State University on Monday, ESPN senior coordinating producer Dwayne Bray traced his career from his early days as a student reporter and baseball player in East Cleveland to his current post as a senior investigative producer for America's foremost sports reporting outlet.
Bray oversees reporters for ESPN's well-respected "Outside the Lines" and "Sports Center" programs.
Bray spoke at the Kent State University School of Journalism and Mass Communication's FirstEnergy Auditorium in Franklin Hall as part of the School's diversity initiative, exposing students to successful minorities who an serve as role models in journalism and mass communication.
Bray provided an overview of ESPN the media conglomerate and dealt directly with the balance between the network's business and journalism missions. "How do we report aggressively on teams when we have billion-dollar business relationships with sports leagues? We focus on our mission: to serve the sports fan on any platform, anywhere. We chase the best stories out there," he said. "My theory is 'truth to power' journalism. To have high-impact, we must cover the most powerful players and stories. We don't let business relationships affect our reporting. We balance our relationships, but no one has ever told me not to go after a story."
Bray emphasized the importance of solid reporting skills, cultivated first at the local level. "Good stories are based on notebooks filled with good facts and figures. To build good stories, you have to work harder than everyone else. The most important thing is to be competitive in getting the story first. You have to chase the story."
Bray shared examples of ESPN's aggressive investigative reporting, including the network's lawsuits to obtain records from Ohio State University and the University of Texas. "ESPN has also been sued, but when you do investigative reporting, you have to be prepared for that," he said.
Bray also discussed how sports had shaped his life, first as a child living in East Cleveland, and then as a sports reporter and baseball player at Shaw High School. "My love for sports saved me from a life in the 'hood," he said. His passion for sports and sports reporting led to a career in journalism that includes city reporting, police reporting, and sports reporting and editorial assignments in Dayton, Dallas, and Los Angeles.
Speaking of the experiences that have contributed to his success in journalism, Bray noted, "Anyone who wants to be a serious reporter needs to work a police beat," he told the crowd. "That's where you learn about getting the facts right."
Bray believes that American life is increasingly influenced by sports. "ESPN has become even more vital since the recession. More people are staying home, watching us," he said. "Sports fans are passionate. They scrutinize us and follow everything we do, so we have to get it right."
Bray shared several ESPN investigative reporting videos, including stories that would not have been covered by other national media outlets, such as gambling on PeeWee football in South Florida.
ESPN is a useful example for journalism students. "Today the lines are blurred between print and broadcast. Students need to be proficient in both writing and shooting video. Dwayne's experience helps students learn about what it takes to be a sports journalist today," said Sue Valerian, an adjunct instructor in the School of Journalism and Mass Communication, who helped to arrange Bray's visit. "Dwayne is a good role model for aspiring young journalists. He's a terrific journalist who's passionate about great stories and uncovering the truth."
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John Edwards returns to a federal courthouse during the ninth day of jury deliberations in his trial on charges of campaign corruption in Greensboro, N.C., Thursday, May 31, 2012. Edwards has pleaded not guilty to six counts related to campaign finance violations over nearly $1 million from two wealthy donors used to help hide the Democrat's pregnant mistress as he sought the White House in 2008.
Confession: I used to root for John Edwards. He comes from my neck of the woods in North Carolina, economically and culturally speaking, and I know his type. He's the charmed golden boy everybody knows is destined to make it big in a way that nobody out of Robbins, North Carolina, ever has. When he begins to fulfill that prophecy, becoming a filthy-rich trial attorney, everybody thinks he's still just too special to stop there, and he tends to agree. So he decides to go for it, as Edwards did when he ran for U.S. Senate in 1998. It was his first campaign, period, and it showed. I was then editing an alt-weekly in North Carolina, and we covered Edwards' long-shot bid extensively—starting with his first-ever campaign event, at the Raleigh Women's Club. As I remember, Edwards had absolutely nothing to say; he was a handsome grin in a good suit. We endorsed his more progressive opponent in the primary. (Oh, well.)
What drew me to Edwards came later. It wasn't so much the messenger—though the senator's working-class background did make one suspect that there was at least a dollop of sincerity in Edwards' "Two Americas" preachments. More than anything, it was the populist message—largely conceptual in 2004 and sharper and more outraged, like the country, in 2007 and 2008. For those of us who stubbornly believe that populism is liberalism's only winning message, Edwards looked like he might be a viable champion. Sadly, too few white people would ever lend an ear to Jesse Jackson's egalitarian message. But they just might pay attention to a twangy white guy from Robbins, N.C., who wants to stick it to the greedy rich people.
But then there was Edwards himself. I covered him irregularly in 2004 and 2008, but the most telling encounter was off the campaign trail in early 2005, when I wrote a feature for The Nation on Edwards' then-new poverty project and his political future. I met up with the campaign at a local food kitchen, where Edwards breezed in, dressed to the nines. He skillfully glad-handed and empathized with the volunteers, did a token bit of kitchen work, and then, fairly abruptly, called out, "What's next?" to his handlers. I'd heard rumbles that Edwards' ego had inflated while running for vice president. Now I was seeing it.
At the same time, I couldn't help being impressed with the framework he'd already begun to assemble for his next presidential campaign. He had a story about a bunch of his advisers, friends, and Elizabeth sitting around the house soon after the 2004 defeat. The question was "What should John do next?" and the options seemed virtually limitless. They probed Edwards, he said, to find out what was in his heart. "Poverty," he said.
However sincere this desire to fight poverty might have been, there's no question that it was politically convenient: In 2008, Edwards expected to face off against Hillary Clinton, who'd be running from the centrist wing of the party. Edwards had to shimmy leftward. Making himself the champion of one of the two Americas—the worse-off part—would propel him neatly forward.
In retrospect, it's impossible not to be cynical about practically everything the man ever did or said—Edwards has made it all too easy. But at the time, I wasn't alone in hearing from Edwards the message I'd always hoped to hear from a viable Democratic candidate. The man was trying to make poverty a central issue of a presidential campaign, for the first time since, what, 1964?
The doubts were always about the messenger. Was he for real with his concern for the downtrodden? Was he savvy enough, smart enough, to go to Washington as president and turn the rhetoric into policy? Sometimes he could convince you. Other times—especially if you saw him off-stage—it was hard to believe that concerns about poverty were really his driving force. They were the engine, it seemed; Edwards' ambitions, and those of the people who nudged him into politics (including his wife), were at the wheel.
Even with a stronger, fresher competitor—Obama—elbowing him out of the spotlight when he ran in 2007, Edwards still had a chance to win Iowa on primary night. It's hard to know whether Obama simply outshone him, or whether Edwards' appeal had dimmed a bit. Probably both. The North Carolinian was no longer the new face, and he no longer projected the same beaming quality of uplift while he pointed to the 21st century's most important socioeconomic quandary. He still smiled, all right, but there was no sunshine in it. (Now we know why.) His message had grown harder, too; it had an edge. Nothing necessarily wrong with that; voters in 2008 were unusually frustrated and not a little pissed. But something was missing. I chalked it up mostly to the fact that Obama had stolen Edwards' thunder. But he had grown distant, somehow, and his campaigning—with pretty much the same message I'd heard in 2005—had lost much of its heady joy. When he first ran, Edwards seemed to love the adulation more than he loved connecting with people. A few years later, he seemed to expect the adulation and take it for granted.
Ultimately, you can view the John Edwards story as low farce, which it certainly became once he hooked up with Rielle Hunter, couldn't quit her, and then couldn't quit lying about her. But it's possible—not easy, maybe, but possible—to see elements of tragedy as well.
Edwards' tragic flaw is hard to pin down: Was it a classic case of Politician's Ego—that overweening sense of untouchable superiority that makes (male) pols feel bulletproof? Was Edwards manifesting insecurity that stemmed from his humble upbringings—responding to Hunter's adoration because he needed it so badly? Was he just a louse from the start? (The evidence suggests otherwise, which is part of what makes the whole scandal so mystifying and fascinating at once.)
It's abundantly clear how most people view Edwards: unforgivably hypocritical and falsely pious, the epitome of a terrible husband and father, and a dirty liar to boot. Even before his stomach-turning trial began, Edwards' approval rating was a rock-bottom three percent. Seeing those numbers, it was hard not to feel a little sorry for the guy—especially given the more-than-valid questions about the political motivations and validity of his ultimately unsuccessful prosecution. But any such emotions were extinguished on Thursday, after Edwards' jury hung on five counts and acquitted him on the other.
He came out of the courtroom a free man, looking like a million well-tanned bucks under the North Carolina sun, with his slick suit and his pasted-down hair and his overeager earnestness. Edwards could have stopped at thanking the jury and his attorneys and his family, and slinked away from the scene—far, far from the public eye, for good. Instead, he delivered a carefully crafted, well-rehearsed comeback speech. "I don't think God's through with me," he declared, saying that he wanted to get back to fighting poverty. And then he ensured that he'd be all over the gossip sites the next day by delivering an ode to his daughter by Hunter, "my precious Quinn," whom he'd never acknowledged in public before.
The whole oration was vintage John Edwards—in other words, deeply perplexing. You didn't know what to think: Was he sincerely trying to come honest after all those accumulated lies? Or was he (gulp!) trying to begin resetting public opinion of him so he could somehow revive his public career? Or—ye Gods—his political career?
You can't put it past him. You can imagine Edwards thinking: Hey, if Nixon could do it… It's what the elephantine egos that become powerful politicians do. Once they've had your love, they want it back. They must have it. And some do regain favor after a fall. Bill Clinton, anyone? But Edwards is not Big Bill. The excesses of Clinton's private life were part and parcel of what some already loved—and others already hated—about him. Edwards' misdeeds, like Tiger Woods', wrecked his image because they gave the lie to his public persona. He was supposed to be the loyal husband of an unglamorous wife with cancer, the mill-worker's son who hadn't forgotten the regular people, the weatherman-handsome young fellow with a brain, a heart, and a smile. It all seemed too good to be true—and then, slowly but surely, it became clear that it was.
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Note that Edwards's working-class background is a bit overstated. His dad, in fact, had a career trajectory strikingly like my own dad's--a guy who didn't get past high school in formal education, but who worked hard at self-improvement, caught the post-World-War-II southern economic escalator, and rose into middle management [Production Manager at a textile finishing plant--my dad's job exactly]. Also like my dad, the lack of credentials set a glass ceiling on his aspirations, and the family ambitions had to be completed by the kids. It's not a bad story--two generations of upward striving wasn't uncommon in a region that dramatically closed an enormous income gap with the rest of the country between 1940 and 1973. But it's a lot more complicated than the one Edwards crafted.
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Thu, 2012-06-07 11:28
maggie mahar
Fri, 2012-06-08 18:03
I, too, was drawn to Edwards because he was the one candidate willing to
talk about poverty.
Even after winning the eleciton, President Obama avoided making poverty a major issue.
Was Edwards sincere when he talked about poverty? I think the answer is "Yes" and "Not entirely"
Human beings are complicated. Intelligent human beings are that much more complicated. (Like a car with more options, more moving parts that can break ).
Bill Clinton is a good example . He had ridiculous affairs, hurting both his wife and his daughter-- and yet many of us see his virtues as well as his warts. Granted, Hillary wasn't dying, but she was so hated by so many in the media-- making the Lewinsky affair doubly humiliating.
maggie mahar
Fri, 2012-06-08 18:25
My point is simply this: Why do we forgive Bill Clinton and not Edwards?
Granted, Edward's clothing, &, his big house could be off-putting.
But Obama is also a material guy-- the suits, the vacations, the house in Chicago-- and few people object.
I don't object: -- or at least I wouldn't if he talked about the poor, focused on creating jobs, and acknowledge that we live in a society
that is not post-racist-. It is a society in which not only race, but Class determine how long you live, how much education you get . . . . This is no longer an upwardly mobile society.
Fri, 2012-06-08 19:50
John Edwards seemed to slip from cerebral to slick and slippery. Drawing attention to poverty was both necessary and unique. Presidential candidates don't use the word poor---they are consumed with the middle class. We are a long way from RFK's focus on Appalachia and Michael Harrington's The Other America. Mr. Edwards is lucky in his parents who seemed so decent and so frail. They stood by him as did his daughter Kate. If he wants to make amends he should disappear from the public stage not try to manipulate his way back into politics. He has been surrounded by tragedy starting with the death of his son Wade. His betrayal of Elizabeth Edwards is unspeakably low.
If God isn't finished with him yet, the American public is.
maggie mahar
Fri, 2012-06-08 21:29
I'm don't undersand why Edwards should "disappear from the public stage"
because he has been "surrounded by tragedy staring with the death of his
son Wade."
Ted Kennedy was surrounded by tragedy starting with Chappaquidick (sp?),
the death of his brothers . . . Yet I am very glad that he didn't give up on politics. I doubt that heatlh reform legislation would have passed without his help, at the very end of his life.
You say that Edwards' betrayal of Elizabeth was "unspeakably low"-- I agree that it was terrible. Biut how many men have betrayed their wives--incluidng many in the public spotlight? And how many men have abandoned a lover suffering from breast cancer? How many have stopped finding a wife attractive after she lost a breast to breast cancer?
And a great many men either leave a woman suffering from breast cancer or
How many mne
Sat, 2012-06-09 09:05
Populism does not mean poor. When there was actual populism in American politics, it was based on the fact that most Americans were rural. Populism was the unrealistic idea started by Thomas Jefferson that rural people could overcome the dishonesty of city dwellers through party politics. Forget populism. People today are just registering as independent voters, which is what they should have done back in Thomas Jefferson's time.
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• Horsepasture River Trail — This out and back three-mile hike in Sapphire offers outstanding view of four large waterfalls and good camping along the way. The trail can be a little gnarly. Use extreme caution when viewing waterfalls, particularly Rainbow Falls, which can be viewed from the top. Falls are slippery and that closer look just isn't worth the type of injuries that may occur. The trailhead is located approximately 10 miles east of Cashiers. Turn south on U.S. 64 and N.C. 281 at Sapphire. Parking for the trailhead is about 1 mile on the left. The parking area is now of the Gorges State Park.
• Boogerman Trail — This 3.8 mile loop hike in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park takes you past old growth hemlocks and Robert "Booger" Palmer's home place (hence the name). There's plenty of creek views and wildflowers. Nearly a mile in, you'll see a sing for Boogerman Trail. To avoid a relentless and steep climb, continue further up Caldwell Fork Trail and take the upper loop of Boogerman Trail. The hike begins near the Cataloochee campground. Drive past the campground about 500 feet and park in the next to the footbridge. This is an unofficial parking area and fills up quickly on the weekends. You may have to park on the road.
• Wayah Bald — Located near Franklin in Macon County, this paved trail suitable for the handicapped leads to the Wayah Bald lookout tower, which is a National Historic Landmark offering breathtaking, panoramic views of the area. The Appalachian Trail and Bartram Trail intersect at the tower. From Franklin, travel west on U.S. 64 for 3 miles to Old Murphy Road where there is a Wayah Bald sign. Turn right and drive 0.2 mile to Wayah Road (SR 1310). Turn left and continue for 9 miles to Wayah Gap and FR 69. (Wayah Crest Picnic Area is on the left.) Turn right onto FR 69 and drive 4.4 miles to the Wayah Bald parking area. The road can be rugged in places, though the area is well traveled.
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• Fontana to Wesser — This 30-mile hike along the Appalachian Trails is full of ups and downs. There are shelters along the way, and in the end you'll find yourself at the Nantahala Outdoor Center. Or do the hike in reverse and end at Fontana Dam. To learn more about the Appalachian Trail visit www.appalachiantrail.org.
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- manish khatri
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What is the most precious thing in your life and why?
Everyone has something precious in his/her mind. This may be a material thing or non-material thing. I am not giving any option to make boundaries on your thoughts. One may answer anything.
Let us know how much value a man gives to a things and why?
Oct 1 2013: People do throw the word "love" around quite a bit don't they!? You cannot "love" ice cream (even though a pint of Cherry Garcia might mimic the feeling lol). To me love means that you have the confidence to look out into the world around you, embrace it for all it is worth and to be able to share those experiences with those you love. Love is in the smile of my daughter, the tail wagging of my beloved dogs, the embrace of my husband, the sunrise over the outer banks, and the cup of tea from my mother when we visit. With that alone I am able to sacrifice everything for them and push myself to do better as a wife, mother, daughter, and a member of humanity. Love is also in the things that I do for other people outside of our immediate family. Something as simple as a kind gesture or a word of encouragement can make all the difference in someone's life. Love is family, compassion, and caring; it is the song in your soul. Beyond all of the scientific analysis and chemical reactions that come with the feeling of love I am sure that we all will agree that in and of itself love it is simply unquantifiable and intangible. You cannot possess it but rather you have to let it possess you.
Think about it, how blessed are we to be able to experience all of this wonderment! Life is indeed a beautiful mosaic that it ever evolving!
Oct 1 2013: Well Said Cassaundra - You cannot possess it but rather you have to let it possess you...
Thats is why we say - 'Falling in Love' instead of 'Making love'.. love is already there, one can not make it. We just fall in.. :)
Wu Bingsong
Oct 2 2013: (I am a Chinese student ,forgive my poor English ability,and you can point out my mistakes,thx.)Maybe being independent is the most thing in my life .Because as for me , from childhood to now ,my parents didn't make many decisions for ,so I have to face many problem on my own.For example ,as a high school stundent , whose aim was all Entrance Examination, I choosed come back home and study by myself .Even though it is a challenge period for me ,but I never regret making that decision, which made me learn many things that would never learn from school ,such as making decision ,self-learning ,and valuing my family .Besides ,in China ,most of family will follow their child to university , but I decided go to university by myself,which was the first leaving hometown in 18 years ,from Hunan Province to Yunnan Province .Even on the way to university ,I was afraid of many things , but I finally arrive there safely , it is also intersting for me . Finally ,it hard to change the subject you major in in university, and it is unfortunately that I am major a subject I didn't like at all, I want to be a translater .So I have to learn English hard by myself .
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So ,in my life ,being independent is most important for me , it let me understand the value of being a human .
Oct 2 2013: :) Your English is good Wu bingsong ! And thank you for sharing your thoughts with us !Sep 27 2013: My sons are by far the most precious thing(s) in my life. At 33 years old and single I felt my life would never feel complete. I realized children were what my heart desperately wanted and needed. At 50, I have 2 teenage sons that I would literally lay down my life for...they are such miracles and precious gifts. I know I am blessed.
Sep 27 2013: this is bcoz u r single. truely ur sons grabbed ur feel and they really must have worked hard to make u feel proud.Sep 27 2013: Hope. I cannot bear life without it.
Sep 30 2013: Ok :)
So your answer is HOPE ! I agree hope is what makes us to wait for tomorrow. But still its a secondary matter, first of all LIFE comes to you, right ?
Suppose you are in a queue, having millions of people waiting for their turn, and where GOD is distributing LIFE to deserving people,, Now give me a good reason that you Deserve it too. How would u ask for LIFE ?
:) can u share your thoughts on this Pabitra..
Oct 1 2013: Talking of reason Manish, I will not stand in that queue to waste time :) It stands to no reason to ask whether I deserve something after enjoying it for 52 years!
Even allegorically, I refuse to accept life as a matter of gift from a super natural entity (like God as you say). At best I can accept it is wonderful gift of chance of nature and the question of deserving it, figuratively, comes in the social and humanitarian contexts in course of life.
Btw, I survived near death twice, once when I was 2 years old and had meningitis and other when I was 35 when I was stuck in a sinking buoy at sea.
Oct 1 2013: Hmmmm.. Got It :)Sep 27 2013: life itself?
I cannot imagine a more precious thing than that...
Gord G
Sep 27 2013: I absolutely agree. And I believe life is an expression of the moment. Everything else is food for thought.Sep 27 2013: Yes, however, there're also many people who'd sacrifice their lives to help people or to realize their dreams to get happiness in their heart. Do you agree?:)
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Sep 27 2013: I understand that you want to sacrifice your own life.
In most cases, it is to protect the life of others. Most often your own kin, but it can be a group you belong too.
I don't think they do it in order to get happiness in their heart, as that would logically be an error (if you are dead, you don't feel or experience much, so where is the point in that?... ok, people can believe in forms of afterlife, so that would be a valid thing for them to do.)
As for happiness: I can understand people who don't think life is all that great. So if they want to cease their life, they could do so in certain circumstances (which are long and nuanced).
But there are also people who are never quite happy and still value life very much.
Yoka Feng
Sep 27 2013: haha... Thank you for your reply. I'm so sorry if I've offended you. :)
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I want to enjoy my life's happiness with others as much as possible instead of sacrificing my life for errors. And I think in my situation ,happiness can drive me to find its essential components. That includes embracing hopes hanging in there to live longer.:) That's why I think happiness is the MOST precious.
W. Ying
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(1) Life --- keeping our DNA alive --- is the most precious.
(2) Getting happiness is for the life.
(To scarify one's own life is for one's own DNA identical in others' bodies.)Sep 27 2013: In my opinion, when a person has values and follow them, it helps to his happiness achievment. If one person "philantropi" as a value, this will be the important thing that leads him to a hapiness state.
Sep 28 2013: I don't know how to apply "philantropi", but I do hope all the people can live happily with each other and the earth. Thank you again.Sep 27 2013: Our analytical abilities separates us from other living beings, I believe it is the precious thing for us mankind.
Sep 27 2013: for mankind, that is indeed a precious thing... (and for me too).
though other animals show signs of analytic thinking too (not to the same extent of course).
nice one!
Gord G
Sep 28 2013: Sunvik - I feel your statement contains incongruent ideologies. Analytical thought is a tool of science. Science clearly doesn't believe we are separate from other living beings. The belief we're separate from other living beings is rooted in religious thought.
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I find it's ironic that analytical thought separates the universe into parts to arrive at the idea it's whole. While religious thought approaches the universe as a whole and arrives at the idea we're separate.
Which leads me to the conclusion only uncertainty is certain. And unless I deny the whole I'll always be separate from it. Or to put it another way…my sense of separateness suggests there's a whole.
And to bring my ramblings full circle. Living in the moment means there isn't a moment…only life itself….which of course is an undifferentiated state of awareness. Not whole. Not separate.
That's precious.
[What was the question?] ;-)
Sep 29 2013: Hmm... But if we look at more broader perspective can we say everything that exists in our universe is precious... If we assume that universe is created with a purpose then everything that exists is meant for something and since it EXISTS it is precious.
We are part of this universe and we are no less fortunate than any other particle. Our existence itself is precious.
But life separates us from non living things, so compared to that life indeed is precious.
If we compare living things among each other then our analytical abilities....our ability to question and pursue the answer is precious.
I don't know what happens after death... But in some way we become part of this ecosystem after death (act as a fertilizer for a plant may be) but we exist... not as a living being but as a particle that is part of this universe. So our death can be precious to something in this universe.
i believe for something to become precious there should be some context based on which it can be defined.
I interpreted the question wrongly before... We are not looking for the most precious thing... We are looking for the precious thing in our life.
Life cannot be most precious thing in our life... that's redundant.
For me the most precious thing in my life is my family and friends... Life without them is just meaningless, unimaginable. My life has a purpose because of them i believe.Sep 27 2013: Well Said Christophe Cop Sir :)
xinfeng xu
Oct 3 2013: the most precious is nothing ,because nothing means everything , when something has been gone , we will cherish it ,
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Tifa Ong
Oct 3 2013: The most precious thing in my life is relationship.
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Because a human by nature is a social creature. We create words, communication tools, internet so that we can interact with people and build relationship.
Can you imagine yourself do not have relationship with anyone?
As I started asking myself this question, my main reason why this is the most precious thing is I will die without relationship and I am willing to die for relationship :)Oct 3 2013: I think that motivation is the most important thing to me.
As a student, I think that this is essential to everyone at my school. Going to a private school where teachers overload us with homework is hard enough, and much harder when you have five extra-curricular activities to attend to. Some days theres nothing to do, whereas other days I'm struggling to finish everything that I have to. However, this is not all. One cannot go without having relationships with others. Friends also require time.
Every night, I go to bed wondering is this really worth it? After all, none of this is going to matter when your dead, and what is this all for? Motivation keeps me going. Where this motivation comes from, I have no clue. Maybe its everyone's incentive to make the world a better place, or share ideas with others.
Marie Line
Oct 3 2013: Though I am not religious in any way, my relationship with my higher power is what is most precious. Without it, I am simply unable to go through the difficultés of life and keep my inner peace, my inner child and my heart intact. After that, all is possible, all is well.
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Oct 3 2013: Good Marie :) You are on right path. Although, you think you are not religious, however you are. I am really glad to know your inner child is still a child and remain intact :) GOD Bless you Marie !
Oct 3 2013: Hahaha! Is there such a thing as a wrong path? This is what I mean by I am not religious... Thanx for the paternal comments. Have a serene day.
Oct 3 2013: LOL.. I was expecting this from you Marie. And happy to see this comment :) A child first time experience that lie also exists when his parent says - "Don't lie to me!" . Child is so innocent that he can't differentiate between good and bad.
So you are :) thats why i told you, you are on right path, coz you have not chosen any man made religion marie. You still are on your true religion .. hope ! the child within you will understand what i am trying to say :)
Johnny Atman
Oct 2 2013: Truth is a paradox, hence the contradiction...but I don.t expect people to understand, they reveal or unravel themselves. The Tao Te Ching is full of contradictions, read it and you may see for yourself. My comments are effortless as I have nothing to prove. The contradiction comes from the notion of right and wrong, which is the divided mind, meaning lack of awareness. In awareness, there is neither nor. In Truth, thought cannot be invited because thought brings along meaning rather thant discovering it. Only awareness can see what is as it is. Thought colours experience and we are back into the past.
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Oct 2 2013: Johnny,
Your comments may be "effortless", as you say, and you already stated that you "have no time to think of such a question".
The topic question Johnny, is..."What is the most precious thing in your life and why?"Oct 3 2013: Oh Johnny ! Now I understood :) i am also a big fan of Tao, yeah you are right... what seems contradictory is not in real.. Tao is the real religion everyone already having inside, but they are not aware of it.. :)Sep 30 2013: The closer and longer you look the more you see and feel. I would not use the word beautiful for that is very cosmetic and superficial. Immediate gratification is not what I seek. A deeper connection with the natural world is the adventure I am on.
Oct 1 2013: hmmm,, I can understand this deeper connection of yours with the natural world. I liked it that you didnt use 'beautiful' word and do not seek immediate gratification... Infact, I must say, this is the right way to live life, being in the moment without being judgmental.... :)
anne alper
Sep 28 2013: Precious in my life is the acknowledgement that the invisible becomes visible through my expressions; that the now tangible expressions flow into the creation that came from thought, forming some thing - or some new thought - that had not outwardly appeared before the invisible (thought) and the expression (words) became one. Life itself is a rhythmic dance or lively vision of that which is formed when one is able and, yes, willing to create. Therefore, life is never still, even when we believe that we are ! No, the renewal, the circulation of thoughts to words to newness is forever moving us forward, almost as if there is but one life among us. For this, I am forever grateful.
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Sep 30 2013: Wow !!! Anne Alper... What a great reply :) Applause !Sep 28 2013: My life , because without it anything else is meaningless .....isn't it ?
Sep 30 2013: Good Salim! This is the answer after that no any other question rise in ma mind. :)
Sep 30 2013: Thanks Manish....Have a good day :)Sep 27 2013: YOU (yourself) are the most precious thing. You are born to live and create a difference in this world. After all, each and everything you do is contribution to make this world a better place for you and your generations to come.
Sep 27 2013: :)Sep 27 2013: The natural world. There is so much there to explore and understand. There is no greed, no control and no judgments, just good feelings and sometimes bad which makes the good that much better.
Sep 30 2013: The Natural World :) Hmmm...
Ok Raymond ! tell me the ultimate beautiful thing you have noticed of the Natural World ?Sep 27 2013: Unconditional smile, Because with a cool mind i can achieve whatever I want.
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Sep 27 2013: Humanity. Humanity.
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wayne uejio
Sep 27 2013: My family and friends
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Yoka Feng
Sep 27 2013: I think is happiness. Because it makes you feel you deserve your life.
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Sep 27 2013: I agree with you , Yoka. Happiness or a well-being inner state.
Sep 27 2013: Thank you for your support. :)))))Oct 3 2013: Today what is precious is my mind. Once it is gone I am no longer who I am. I am 47 and fear old age. Now tomorrow it may be something else; like my kids, my relationship, my friends, seeing a sunrise. What will never change is that Not One Thing that is a material possession is precious to me - never will be.
Taylor Cox
Oct 3 2013: To avoid the contest of who can be the deepest thinker, I would just like to answer the original question (of this thread before you critique which question I'm answering) and say : Freedom.Oct 2 2013: For some people there may be something precious worth grieving over. For some other, it is the flow, with no way to measure as to being precious or not, no way to appraise because thought is not involved. That is all.
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Patrick Ewen
Oct 2 2013: Freedom is the most important. Without the freedom to be who I am there is nothing else.Oct 2 2013: My Faith. My Family. My Friends. In that order I guess although like life itself it's organic. Sometimes one takes precedence over the other depending.Oct 2 2013: That is a nice assumpton to make and fish for takers...and you have it.
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Any such proposition interferes with "the flow" and it becomes an obstruction, a hindrance. Living is a flow without room for regrets or attachments. A play of shape, form, appearance and vanishing of experiences. Either can block the rythm and harmony. I have no time to think of such a question, for thought itself obstructs the living by conceptualising and creating images. One then becomes attached to the image; one cannot speak of living or anything unless one is separated from it. In living, there is no such question.
Oct 2 2013: "I have no time to think of such a question, for thought itself obstructs the living by conceptualising and creating images" What do you think about it then if even your thought obstructs your living? How do you live?
Oct 2 2013: Catherine, Johnny Atman says -one can not speak of living unless he/she is separated from it !! But Johnny himself speaking a lot about the life (like a flow, rythm, hormony, etc.)... !! May be, he is not alive, i guess so... :P What do u say :D ??
Oct 2 2013: In a sense there could be a religious understanding to this sense of separation from living in order to live (abandonment, detachment, etc.). Sometimes living too close to reality, too close to the tangible so to speak can inhibit flow, rhythm, harmony in living... but yet I think you cannot separate yourself from living/life. You are life. You are living. It's how you live can encourage flow or inhibit it.Oct 2 2013: "I" don't live, "I" is a word, words are not alive, even though they can have immense power over those that are under the spell, like some people here. There is no "I" that lives, living takes place outside words, and words that are not understood and put in their place can interfere with living, creating the :I:, the Ego, the feeling of separateness, of Right and Wrong of Fear, but also Greed. Most people live between these two energies. Where Life takes place, there is no room for Fear and Greed or useless talk. I've had my say.
Oct 2 2013: Wow! That's an incredible level of puritanical theory (I won't say "living" incase it impinges somewhat on what you're trying to get at). Can I ask (if "I" can actually "be" "I") if everything is outside of living and the "I" doesn't live than ""Who are you?" You know the basics of fundamental questioning: "Who am I? Where do I come from? Where am I heading?" Does that actually happen for you or are you happy simply to "be" (if you're not being).. I mean what are you then? A spirit? A blip? Not even a "A" but ... nothing!
@Manish.. Happy if you intervene, contribute... enlighten!
P.S. The reason maybe I don't have a profile pic of myself is precisely so that "I" don't enter into the equation! (Trying to throw in a bit of sense of humour into all this!)Oct 3 2013: Catherine,
It is everyone's journe to find out who they truly are, not who society tells them to be. A journey of self-inquiry takes sometimes more that half a life. Yet, without finding out who we truly are, we are at the mercy of thought and the Egoic mind, that is, the divided mind and subject to right and wrong, fear and greed. I will not say anymore about it, if you truly seek to find out who you are, then you will embark on a beautiful journey of self-discovery, If not, you will remain slave to thought and public opinon. The choice and decision are yours.
This may be a good start http://www.deikman.com/awareness.html
If you disagree, please ignore the link.Oct 2 2013: You said you do not have time to think of such question, but seems my question have interfered your "flow". You stopped flowing and gave your time to answer this. If thinking such thing is kind of an obstruct in your mind,what was the need to stop your flow for this useless question Johnny !!
I do not agree that one cannot speak of living or anything unless one is separated from it. Infact, the truth is, the one who has experienced it, who has felt it , who is living right now.... is the only right person who can speak on it. One can describe the beauty of a garden having separation, by sitting in a closed room one can sing the song of the ocean... but then those words will be merely empty and superficial words without spirit, they will not come from the soul itself.
You think you will be caught by an image and then it would block the rythm and harmony of your 'flow'. But i can clearly see you are already caught by this image that this may happen !!! Thats why you keep running away such things. Running is not called as 'flow' Johnny. life Flow is like air or water, neither water nor air make any decision to decide the path of flowing. Also flow is true only when it accept all things which comes in its path, without hesitation... but flow goes on.
Nothing can stop your flow of living in your manner, No image, this is only YOU Johnny who can stop it.. like you did it now... :)
Oct 2 2013: Friend,
The answer I gave is with two edges. One for those who can see, and one for those that can't. Now, it is obvious which category you belong to.Oct 2 2013: Dear Johnny,
I am curious....as Manish and Catherine seem to be as well.
You write..." I have no time to think of such a question, for thought itself obstructs the living by conceptualising and creating images".
So, even though you say you do not have time to think of such a question, you have contributed quite a lot in comments, which indicates that you are thinking and writing about it. Do you feel obstructed? Why do you choose to do that to yourself?
I agree with you that the experience of living can be perceived as a "flow", and I believe thought is part of the human flowing experience.
You write comments that seem contradictory and confusing, then you categorize people for not understanding? Is that "flowing" for you?
Simona Rich
Oct 1 2013: The ability to be happy with myself without depending on anything external. That's a real freedom and that's the most precious thing in your life. Thank you for asking:)Oct 1 2013: The most precious thing in my life, is myself.Oct 1 2013: everything i have is precious.i try to be thankful for them.
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Oct 1 2013: your welcome hedieh, lol :D
Oct 2 2013: thanks for thumbs upOct 1 2013: Carrying on from my most precious thing as "knowing when something is stupid or wise". I have observed the following:
Stupid things happen when a person is over-zealous and when they are carried along by a trend that they think will never end.
Wise things happen when the wise one knows when to stop and what not to do. Wisdom is not found in analysis because the future is not predicable to any level of detail.


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Crested Butte locals have a deep affinity for parties, especially costume parties. Give them any reason to dress up in silly costumes and they'll come. So, as you could imagine Crested Butte has a stacked year-round events calendar. Not to mention plenty of off-hill activities like Nordic skiing and ice skating.
The Crested Butte outdoor activities laundry list is extensive, so winter enthusiasts are guaranteed a good time. Many of these outdoor activities are great for families, especially the sleigh-ride dinners to Uley's Cabin, winter horse trail rise, horse-drawn carriage rides and dogsled tours. Those looking to explore Crested Butte via cross-country trails or go deep into the Elk Mountains backcountry on a snowmobile tour, can also do so.
To learn more about things to do in Crested Butte call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Getting there can be the most expensive part of your Crested Butte ski vacation. The historic mining town sits at the end of a long valley flanked by huge mountains, so large airplanes don't fly into nearby Gunnison County Airport. Generally, flights into Crested Butte are on the spendy side, but once you're there you can easily do Crested Butte on the cheap. Low-key restaurants dominate the dining scene, affordable condos and hotels are plenty, and you aren't paying exorbitant lift ticket prices. Mt. Crested Butte provides significant lift ticket savings, nearly half, if you purchase early. Plus, Crested Butte is a ski bum's haven so you're sure to find après, and after hours drink specials at nearly every establishment.
Budget-conscious skiers rejoice! Crested Butte offers several choice affordable lodging options. Here's Ski.com's top picks. To learn more about these properties call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
• Offering a prime view of the slopes and a ski in, ski out locale, the Crested Mountain condominiums offer fully equipped and furnished units, featuring kitchen, balcony, TV with HBO and complimentary Wi-Fi.
• Featuring fabulous views in addition to an ideal slopeside location, Buttes offers all the comforts of home including a fully equipped kitchen, fireplace, washer/dryer and private balcony. Relax after a long day—and satisfying—day on the slopes in the shared hot tub.
• Columbine's ski in, ski out condominiums vary in size from one-bedroom units with lofts to three-bedroom units to accommodate any groups or family's size. Columbine affords its guests a fully equipped kitchen, TV with HBO, a gas grill and complimentary hourly shuttle service.
Few Crested Butte restaurants have entrees over $30, so penny pinchers have a ton of dining options on a Crested Butte budget ski vacation. What would seem like a pricey dinner, at say in-town Italian hot spot Bacchanale, is quite affordable. The most expensive item on their menu is $25, while most dinner entrees are actually in the $12 range. For quality dining at a fair price at Mt. Crested Butte base area, 9850 Prime [OT link] is sure to please, as there's nothing on the menu over $20. 9850 Prime is also a hopping après-ski spot, thanks to its affordable drinks and appetizer prices and seven flat screen televisions.
To learn more about Crested Butte budget ski vacations call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Truly a small ski town, with just over 1,000 year-round residents, Crested Butte cannot boast 100-plus restaurants like the Vail's and Aspen's of Colorado, but Crested Butte restaurants can offer something else. Crested Butte attracts a certain kind of ski vacationer; someone who is willing to travel off the beaten path and stare unique experiences fearlessly in the face, and that extends to dining options. Crested Butte restaurants are as eclectic as its residents; it's easy to find spicy food, vegetarian options, seasonal and locally sourced produce, meat, fish and wild game. Foodies will delight in Crested Butte's gourmet dining options, like fresh, artisanal Italian and tasty tapas. And those with more classic palates, the pizza, Mexican and pub food options are plain, simple perfection.
A Crested Butte ski vacation doesn't count unless you eat at The Secret Stash at least once. It was originally housed in a funky, bohemian house with renovated attic at the end of Elk Ave, but it recently moved to a larger space further up the street to accommodate the throngs of people that want to eat their heavenly pies. Before the move, guest would often have lengthy waits for a table. But it was always worth it. The pizza is absolutely incredible, and no one is quite sure why, perhaps the owner and executive chefs interesting background in both classic New York style pizza and gourmet cooking is the reason for The Secret Stash staggering success, but as the name implies, we'll never know, it's a secret.
django's Restaurant and Wine Bar, located at the base of Mt. Crested Butte, is another Crested Butte notable. The menu items all have two things in common, they're seasonal and they're served "tapas style" or small plates. The menu generally has 25 different tapas selections, making django a perfect option for larger groups and families, or those looking for a varied meal.
Bacchanale is one of Crested Butte's newest restaurants, and owned by the same fine people who created django. Bacchanale is located on Elk Avenue, and offers artisanal Italian fare fit for foodies. The menu has very grounded Italian roots, but also modern flares that make it a unique dining experience.
for an unforgettable on-mountain lunch, head to The Ice Bar at Uley's Cabi at the base of Twister Lift. The menu features gourmet Colorado cuisine, like elk bourguignon and forest mushroom bisque. The Ice Bar also makes for a great place to have an afternoon après-ski beverage, as they feature handcrafted specialty cocktails. You can also make dinner reservations for a snowcat-drawn sleigh ride to Uley's Cabin.
On a cold day on the slopes warm up with Paradise Warming Hut's tasty homemade soup or chili, located at the base of the Paradise Lift.
To learn more about Crested Butte restaurants call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Welcome to Gnarlington. Renowned, infamous, notorious and celebrated as one of the baddest ski resorts in the lower 48 (states), Crested Butte's expert and extreme inbounds terrain is mind blowing. So it comes no surprise that extreme skiing was partially born here (Jackson Hole, Squaw and Alaska too). Crested Butte has hosted the U.S. Freeskiing "Extremes" competition for over two decades, and continues to attract the world's best extreme skiers to its steep, technical terrain. But the good news is that you don't have to be a pro-skier to enjoy the Crested Butte expert skiing, however you do need to know where you're going if you venture into the gate accessed terrain in Teocali Bowl, Paradise area off the High Lift.
If steeps, trees, rocks, cliffs and other terrain nuggets are up your alley then the Crested Butte expert terrain is yours for the taking. Crested Butte's terrain, especially in the Paradise area, is bar none for technical skiing. If you've never skied at Crested Butte, or if you're looking to hone your off-piste skills, we'd recommend taking the North Face Guided Group Lesson. You'll explore all the steep skiing off of the North Face Lift.
While all of the Crested Butte expert terrain trends towards ultra-steep, there are varying types of expert skiing. For example, Headwall of the North Face Lift, is wide-open bowl-like skiing with small rocks and cliffs to drop. While Teocali Bowl and Paradise area, where you'll find Spellbound and Third Bowl, feature mini bowls, chutes, tight trees and huge cliffs. It's quite important that you know where you're going in Teocali and Paradise for obvious reasons.
If you're looking for expert skiing with a little less consequence or perhaps warm-up terrain, the moguled steeps of Rambo and Pinball into the steep glades of Bakery Trees is a great option. Or if you're looking for groomed or partially groomed steeps, head to Monument into International or Hot Rocks.
Note: If you have avalanche gear, specifically a beacon, bring it! Crested Butte Ski Patrol allows the first 50 skiers with a beacon to ski the resort on a powder day.
To learn more about Crested Butte Expert Skiing call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Choosing to book a Crested Butte family ski vacation is a no brainer thanks to its family-friendly terrain, low-key dining scene, historic downtown, wide array of lodging options to suit nearly every family's style and budget, stacked events calendar and off-mountain activities. Crested Butte is truly brimming with experiences and activities families can enjoy together. Both kids and parents will enjoy perusing up and down historic Elk Avenue, popping in and out of specialty shops and enjoying ice cream. And despite its reputation as an original homestead for extreme skiing, the vast majority of its terrain qualifies as intermediate, allowing the whole family to enjoy a slew of trails together.
Over 50-percent of Crested Butte's skiing terrain is designated as intermediate, making it a perfect resort for families looking to ski together. Plus the mountain is relatively small compared with places like Breckenridge, Snowmass, or Vail, so families can comfortably separate without worrying about being apart all day. Advanced skiers in the family can pop in and out of the woods and find terrain nuggets along the trails, well less advanced skiers can meander down Crested Butte's well-groomed, wide open runs.
Beginner families will enjoy all the green runs off the Red Lady Lift from the base area; a kid-friendly adventure park is located near the lift so be sure to keep your eyes peeled. Intermediates should start their Crested Butte family ski vacation off by warming up their legs on the East River Express Lift, which offers shorter trails. For longer, sustained runs head to Paradise Express Lift and be sure to test your mettle on Paradise Bowl into Treasury all the way back to the bottom of East River Express lift, or head down Ruby Chief back to Paradise Lift. Advanced to expert families should heed a little advice: Crested Butte's double black diamonds are a step above what most resorts would consider double black. And there are only a few single black diamonds, so don't be fooled. To play it safe, especially on your first day at Crested Butte, the best plan of attack is to the blacks and double blues off of East River Lift−don't miss Bakery Trees− or the blacks below Twister Lift, including Monument Bowl.
Crested Butte offers an exceptional array of family-friendly lodging options. Here's Ski.com's top picks in the family category. To learn more, or book, these properties, call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Located just 200 yards from the chairlifts, The Grand Lodge Crested Butte Hote offers affordable and spacious units, perfect for families or those wanting extra room to stretch out. The whole family will love the indoor/outdoor heated pool, hot tub, fitness room and spa. The on-site restaurant, The Woodstone Grill & Bar takes a lot of guesswork out of a Crested Butte family ski vacation.
It doesn't get easier for families then a stay at The Axtel. The chairlifts start just steps from the hotel door, and families are conveniently located very near shops, ski school, restaurants and the children's center.
In general the Crested Butte dining scene trends towards casual and low-key, which is great for no-frills families, and parents looking to relax. Teocali Tamale is always a hit with parents and kids alike and its a great option for a quick bite. Of course their namesake tamales are incredible, but the burritos and corn salsa are also show stoppers. For a sit-down dinner that everyone will love, families must head to the famed Secret Stash Pizza. Parents looking for gourmet pies will be happy with toppings like figs and prosciutto, and kids will enjoy the fresh goodness of Secret Stash's cheese or pepperoni pies.
Crested Butte Kids Ski School provides instruction for children age three to teen. Children looking to learn to snowboard can also do so from age five to teen. Crested Butte does an incredible creating lesson programs tailored to children of all ages and ability and creates groups based on both age and ability, so children learn amongst their peers. Advanced to expert teen skiers or snowboarders can also request lessons geared towards terrain parks or extreme skiing. The Crested Butte Ski School also provides day care for infants, toddlers and young children who do not ski.
To learn more about Crested Butte family sky vacations call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
As a birthplace for extreme skiing and home of the U.S. Freeskiing "Extremes" competition for over two decades, Crested Butte's terrain is notoriously steep and rocky and renowned for its expert skiing. While that extreme terrain exists in abundance, especially in areas like Teocali Bowl, Paradise, Headwall and Peak, the reality−contrary to popular belief−is that Crested Butte trails namely caters to intermediate and advanced intermediate skiing. Over half of its 1,547 skiable acres are designated as some sort "intermediate" terrain, or blue or double blue square runs. Experienced intermediates who are comfortable enough to try steeper terrain and more variable conditions can enjoy even more of Crested Butte, since over 20-percent is designated as "advanced" intermediate skiing, or double blue square.
If you've recently graduated to intermediate terrain, stick to the single blue square runs. You'll want to head to Crested Butte's Prospect and Gold Link Lifts− on looker's left side of the mountain−where you'll find shorter trails, like Prospector and Elko Park, which funnel back to the lift. This is also a great area to get your ski legs warmed up early in the day or your Crested Butte ski vacation. Paradise Bowl is an ideal area for intermediate skiers to arch fun, wide turns. From Paradise Bowl be sure to take Canaan to Houston or Poverty Gulch, otherwise you'll end up on more advanced runs.
If you've skied a bit more and are looking for more challenging, sustained runs, more advanced skiers should stick to Paradise Express and East River Express. Test your legs and skills out on long runs like Upper and Lower Treasury or Upper, Middle and Lower Gallowich, which take you from the top of Paradise Express Lift all the way to the bottom of East River Express.
To learn more about Crested Butte Intermediate Skiing call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Generally luxury isn't the first thing you'd think of when hear Crested Butte. It's Crested Butte's simple, Western charm which has put it on the map as a must-visit ski town. But the simple truth is that Crested Butte does offer the finer things despite its rustic appearance. Mt. Crested Butte base area offers several luxury hotel options, and Elk Avenue is littered with specialty shops sure to please those looking for unique, high quality products and gifts. While there aren't too many true fine-dining options, there are plenty of restaurants that offer specialty, gourmet, or artisan menu items in incredible settings.
Tucked deep in the Elk Mountains, Crested Butte is an exclusive resort, and the lodging options reflect that. Below you'll find Ski.com's top picks for Crested Butte luxury hotels and condos. To learn more about these properties, or book them, call, or chat with, one of our knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
• Located just steps from the Red Lady Express and Silver Queen Express chairlifts, it doesn't get better than the Elevation Hotel and Spa. Relax and enjoy this full-service hotels ski in, ski convenience and amenities such as a 24-hour front desk, valet, concierge services, indoor swimming pool, hot tub and fitness center. The on-site, trendy 9380 Prime Bar & Restaurant serves breakfast, lunch and dinner and room service is available
• The Lodge at Mountaineer Square features spacious condominiums and is just steps from the chairlifts. Guests can choose from 95 units, ranging from studio to one-, two-, and three-bedroom suites. The units feature gas fireplaces, 32-inch LCD televisions, pay perview movies, WIFI, washer/dryers and some suites feature private balconies.
In town, foodies will find that newcomer Bacchanale is a perfect, little Italian oasis. Salads, soups, artisan flatbreads, pasta and entrees are deeply rooted in traditional Italian cuisine, but have a slight modern twist, adding new tastes to old classics.
Up at Mt. Crested Butte base area django Restaurant and Wine Bar is a great option if you're looking for a high-end flavors and incredible quality in a casual atmosphere. The menu items are served "tapas style" or on small plates, so you can share with a large group or simply sample lots of different dishes. Wines are served in a carafe, which makes for easy pairing with the many different tapas.
To learn more about a Crested Butte luxury ski vacation call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Crested Butte's small town convenience and fun-loving local community make it a great (and hassle-free) place to get out and mingle. Like many mining-boom towns, the Crested Butte night life sways towards rugged, Western experiences and beverages. You'll find lots of locally made brews and handcrafted, small batch whiskey, plus great live music, like bluegrass, country and folk at Crested Butte bars. The bulk of the Crested Butte nightlife scene is in town, so if you're staying there, you're just a short walk to the historic saloons and local breweries. First-time Crested Butte visitors will appreciate its small-town accessibility, since nearly every bar and restaurant is located on Elk Avenue. And, if you're staying up at the Mt. Crested Butte base area, you can take the complimentary five minute bus ride to town.
If you're looking for a more low-key nightlife scene, opt to stay up at one of the base area's more contemporary hotels. Mt. Crested Butte's hotels offer chic bars, and fireside nooks and crannies, perfect for a quiet drink.
If you're night life interests trend towards the rustic, then a beer, or three, at Crested Butte's only local brewery, The Eldo is an absolute must. The handcrafted selection of drafts on tap, great food, stacked live music lineup and sunny patio attract locals and visitors alike, making it a great place to mingle. Talk of the Town is another don't-miss. This local's favorite offers fair prices and lots of entertainment, like a jukebox, giant Jenga, and pool tables. Plus, there's usually a DJ spinning fun dance music that gets the whole house on their feet. For a more quiet drink that still offers historic atmosphere, head to the Wooden Nickel Saloon. The Wooden Nickel is Crested Butte's oldest saloon and features a great beer and wine list, in addition to a well-versed menu if you're looking to sit down for a meal.
Dance fiends will love Lobar Restaurant and Bar. As its namesake implies, this dual sushi spot and night club, is subterranean. Lobar always has a packed dance floor since it's technically Crested Butte's only night club. They play hip-hop, drum and bass, house music and even Chicago blues most nights of the week. This hot spot is owned by the same people who brought Crested Butte the uber-popular Secret Stash and Sweet Spot, so they have a good handle on what both visitors and locals like.
To learn more about Crested Butte nightlife call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Despite its storied reputation as an "extreme" mountain, Crested Butte is in fact, contrary to popular belief, a great place to learn to ski. While the rocky, steep top half of the mountain is an expert skier's paradise, the bottom portion of the mountain features wide, gentle runs. Beginner skiers can learn in a calm environment, since getting to Crested Butte takes a little more effort than say Keystone or Breckenridge, crowded slopes are far and few between. Between the rich history and funky quaintness of its town and the uncrowded beginner slopes, learning to ski at Crested Butte is a truly enjoyable experience.
First time skiers will want to start off at the Aspen or Pine Magic Carpet at the base area. Once you can stop and make wedge turns, the Peach Tree Lift is a great lift to learn on. Once you've mastered the short, gentle slopes in that area, you'll want to head up the Red Lady Express Lift. Trails like Houston, Mineral Point and Smith Hill are wide open and funnel into a flat area, which gives your new ski legs a break, on your way back to the Red Lady Express Lift. This area is also great if you're a little more experienced, as you can begin testing your skills out in the well-spaced trees, and try out Lower Twister trail, which is an advanced beginner run, or double green circle.
To learn more about Crested Butte beginner terrain call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
Crested Butte's residents have worked hard to preserve everything about this quaint Victorian mining town, so if you opt to stay in town, you'll find a plethora of historic renovated house that now function as rustic, charming hotels and bed and breakfasts. If convenience and contemporary amenities, like spas, pools and hot tubs are high on your list, you'll want to stay in one of Mt. Crested Butte's base are hotels or condos.
Crested Butte offers a lot for many types of skiers and snowboarders, and the resort's lodging options are no exception. You'll find just about every accommodation preference. From budget- and family-friendly to high-end luxury digs. Here's Ski.com's top picks. To learn more about these properties, or book them for your next ski vacation, call, or chat with, one of Ski.com's knowledgeable Mountain Vacation Specialists.
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