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Should we force democracy?
What I wanted to know is: do you think that democratic countries should force other countries to implement democracy? Don't you think that that is a flaw in the all idea of democracy?
Mar 21 2013: There is only one way to lead - by example.Mar 20 2013: I believe it is fatal mistake to force the democracy in the other countries especially those have dictator leadership. As a live example whats happened in Iraq approved that ..
Mar 21 2013: Can we afford the time that it will take for some countries to do that?
Mar 21 2013: Marco,
I guess we can afford the time by activating the media in this side much more than we have currently
Uri Kanter
Mar 27 2013: Democracy is a benevolent lie because its function largely depends on Socioeconomics .Capitalism by its nature neutralizes the benefits of Democracy leaving us in what can be called indirect autocracy without anyone actually realizing it because supposedly everyone have equal opportunity and freedom with no corruption whatsoever..
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So to your question: should we force democracy, Absolutely not.
Democracy is something that should come first from the people. The people must demonstrate that they have enough power,desire and influence (also on an intellectual level) without outside intervention, otherwise they won't make an informed choice and will just choose the dictator. This was proven time and time again by history.
The French and The Americans for example arrived at their democratic state because their people fought for it.
Apr 18 2013: Uri" We fought for it 200 years ago, but we are losing it fast, due to our very poor educational system. Yes, we defeated the British, but now seem to be hypnotized into folllowing their path to Imperial bankruptcy.
Apr 19 2013: @Shawn: Nationalism is also a lie, we are all homospaience with negligible differences if any, much of this imperial bankruptcy exist because we turn on each-other to wage wars and kept blind from the bigger picture. It is the same manner that the presidents of various nations insist that there is an external threat to help justify their unjust actions to their people.
And Nationalism is funny, since as it is, a citizen doesn't have a basic right of owning land in "his/her country", it is all borrowed land at best(with interest of course) and some people do not even have money for that much so in a way you could say the true freedom of autonomy was taken from us at day 1 with no choice in the matter so saying "My Nation" or "My Country" is kind of funny in that respect and you might as well say "My Master's country" or "My Owner's Nation"..
it doesn't matter if you are British or American or what have you, in the end as Humans the core problem of greed remains.
Apologies if I sound somewhat radical , I do not pretend to have a perfect solution to that problem.
Apr 19 2013: I dont think your being radical, or rather, not nearly radical enough.Apr 19 2013: Shawn, you think that forever you'll be #1?
"Yes, we defeated the British, but now seem to be hypnotized into following their path to Imperial bankruptcy."
Lest you forget, they followed... The roman empire, the Persian empire, the Greek empire, the Egyptian empire...etc etc
seeing a pattern here are we ... lolMar 26 2013: I think it's not so much a question of 'should' ('should' and 'force' don't go well together in pretty much any context, so an immediate response would be: no, of course not.) Rather, it's a question of 'can'.
Two points:
1. There is this tendency to depart from the various definitions of democracy and say that a political system, however flawed, is a democracy because it does not meet enough criteria to be called an authoritarian regime. When you consider things strictly from the point of view of this dichotomy, of course people will readily agree that democracy, while imperfect, is better. And while 'forcing' and 'democracy' seem like mutually exclusive terms, what you would be doing in effect is giving people more personal freedom, expanding their rights, encouraging participation and so on. However, the problem is that you can assist them in building democratic institutions, but you cannot 'export' a ready-made institutional system without considering the local context (and without exporting said system's flaws along the way.)
2. Democracy is not defined by one single thing, or even one single category. It is not simply a collection of rights associated with citizenship (i.e., voting, freedom of expression, political participation etc.) It is an interaction of different categories, such as electoral processes, civil rights, institutional accountability, socio-economic context and the international environment. This is a complex system that involves a lot of variables. As an external agent, you are not bringing (or forcing) democracy on a country, but impacting on 1-2 of these categories.
I would argue that it's not possible to force democracy on a country, but not because 'forcing' is an uncomfortable term. Instead, because it simply wouldn't work as expected. You can assist in democracy building, you can offer expertise, involve said country's citizens in the process or facilitate financial aid. But you cannot give them democracy as a full package.
Wayne Coady
Mar 21 2013: We will not get true democracies , until we take the power out of the hands of "political parties" . As long as political parties hold the upper hand , business will always run government. We should look towards the best run countries and take a little knowledge from each and build a system that works for the betterment of society, not just the 1%.
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As it stands right now , our system here in North America has been hijacked by big money , which use our elected members as lobbyest . Time to get a bottom up system , instead of top down . The only way we can force a chane in the democratic process , is to bring the present system that empowers the 1% , down. and the ballot box has not worked for the 99% todate.
Mar 21 2013: Well we are the bottom lets make it the topMar 29 2013: I just read all the posts above and below and I see that there is a good deal of agreement that we need a better way of managing our affairs. We have the means at our fingertips. We can let our desires be known directly. We can be polled on every decision and take part an any we wish. But can we trust "the masses" to rule? I think so.Apr 18 2013: "Forcing democracy" is close to being an oxymoron.
Apr 19 2013: Like bombing for peace .
Kunal Shah
Apr 15 2013: There is no real democracy, here I am in Toronto. The people are always misled in to believing different things. The govt has purposely not developed the mathematical side of their curriculum so that students never learn how to manage money! and the list is very long. Politics shall always be about mis leading the people in to thinking they have the power when they really don't have that.
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pat gilbert
Apr 3 2013: I doubt any of you will read this but it is very apt to this conversation:
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http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/04/03/creators-oped-n1554734Apr 1 2013: It's hypocritical, but spreading democracy was never the goal. Spreading democracy is the story. Expanding our hegemony is the goal. The democracy we force upon countries is shallow, and only for the public to accept the occupation or invasion. The people might vote for a leader, but behind the curtain it's planned for a leader that's obedient to the hegemon. The US grants an abundance of rights to its citizens constitutionally, none of these rights have translated to any "democracy" we've created overseas. Power and business run the show.
Carl Katims
Mar 31 2013: Absolutely we should but we should start with the USA.
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Andrew Breen
Mar 27 2013: That wouldn't be very democratic.
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Alex Gaft
Mar 26 2013: Yes we should, if the democracy is our religion - we should not look on the history, traditions, habits, religion of the country - we should push democracy (as we call it) of any kind in Egypt, Iraq, Syria etc.,etc... I remember crusaders and don't understand what the difference is - they also brought Christian progress to the nations with sword and fire.
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Mar 29 2013: The real irony is that some readers will nod approvingly here, a risk every satirist takes.Mar 25 2013: Democracy and freedom are not the same. Democracy is oppressive for the minority who have to subject to the will of the majority.
Democracy is not free of force. When a minority does not submit to the will of majority "voluntarily", that will will be forced on them by democratic government.
One thing is not up for discussion in a democratic society - it's democratic process itself. It must be accepted overwhelmingly by society, regardless of political differences. If it's not accepted, the process will not work.
I'd say, in the U.S., democracy is imprinted in people's brains almost religiously. Ideas of democracy are taught in elementary schools and proclaimed on every corner. That's how overwhelming consensus about democratic process is achieved. I'm not sure if there is any other way. So, in a sense, people in the U.S. are not "free" to choose or reject democracy. There is some circularity here.
Mar 26 2013: HI Arkady i agree with what you say ,"Democracy is not free of force. When a minority rebels against a law passed democratically, a democratic government will use force against the rebels."
I would like to ask thinking people , is there an alternative idea for Governace other than democracy.I believe there is always a scope for new ideas .
Mar 26 2013: Sorry, I slightly rephrased my initial post as you were answering, but the idea is the same.Mar 23 2013: Force and Democracy dont match in the same phrase.Mar 21 2013: The flaw is corruption, not democracy. Our founding fathers did their best to try and get rid of corruption, with the checks and balance system. Problem is the more "checks" you write the less balanceMar 21 2013: Yes,I agree what u said:It is definitely a flaw in the all ideas of democracy.I think democracy belongs to spiritual category more, people will affect practical reality from spiritual ideas.Once people could be democratic in spiritual level completely,that's mean democracy come to us truely
Gail .
Mar 21 2013: Pure democracy in a culture as insane as our global culture is cannot work. It pits neighbor against neighbor until all are enemies.
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Mar 21 2013: Hello Gail
pat gilbert
Mar 21 2013: The Romans and the Nazis did not force their ideologies on countries they sold them on it. Even the U.S. does this.
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My opine is the way to do this is through the economy as with China and Vietnam and the USSR forget the ideology just start trading and the Communism thing will not be as not big a deal.
Will it be perfect NO. Just aim for improvement and quit being a perfectionist.
Lewis Smart
Mar 21 2013: I strongly suspect that externally forced democracy is weaker than internally grown democracy.
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Rather than forcing democracy we should do whatever encourages the natural growth of democracy, which I think probably revolves around education.
I think the world would benefit greatly if nations were able to have their embassies double as universities.
Mar 21 2013: Well I do think like that to, but what if those countries do not "grow" democracy by there own.
Are we, the "free west", morally capable of imposing democracy. Even if citizens of those countries do not want democracy?
Thank you Lewis
Mar 21 2013: Unwanted democracy seems to me like a contradiction. Couldn't the citizens just vote in a dictatorship, theocracy, oligarchy, etc if that is what they wanted?
I think that democracy can only be maintained if a population is ready to embrace it.Apr 20 2013: While it might seem humorous, remember never a truer word was spoken than in jest.
Monty Python - Dennis The Constitutional Peasant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0Apr 19 2013: We, whoever "we" is (how accuratley are we represented in our own democracy?), should let the people we wish to have democracy vote on whether or not they already want it. Even if the argument in response to this is "They don't know what they are missing, how would they know to vote yes" the result of forcing democracy would not be giving democracy at all. It would be founded in hypocrisy.
Paul Lee
Apr 19 2013: First, I think that we should improve the democratic system in the United States before we spread our form of democracy to other countries. There are a multitude of issues within our democratic system, like the Electoral College process. Events like the 2000 presidential election have shown us that our voting process is flawed.
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The power is also shifted unfairly in the United States, because the most wealthy people influence the politicians by lobbying heavily for them.
Democracy should not be enforced on a country. The citizens of the country need to be aware of the intricacies of democracy, the idea of the majority, and other things that have taken the United States centuries to understand. Countries need to learn how to govern without outside influence, otherwise they will not be able to exert their power as the people. Forcing democracy would not work for countries like Afghanistan or Iraq because the people need to understand their responsibilities to uphold a democratic system if they decide to have a democratic government.Apr 19 2013: What I wanted to know is: do you think that democratic countries should force other countries to implement democracy? Don't you think that that is a flaw in the all idea of democracy?
Thrasymachus had said that justice is what the powerful decide: might is right. (cough usa), so the answer by his standards is not if your the one forcing it...Apr 18 2013: I don't think so. Afghanistan and Iraq are examples where democracy would have a very difficult time thriving. The people there don't have a sense of individual liberties, but theirs is more of a collective/community based culture. Like a tribe maybe. Democracy probably can only work if a people as individuals possess the right moral foundation. At least in order to thrive, because we need most people willing to obey the law of the land. I'm going to paraphrase here, but John Adams said that our form of government or our constitution was designed for a moral and religious people and inadequate for any other group.
Apr 19 2013: I understand what you are saying, however I'm worried about the idea that democracy isn't compatible with a 'community based culture'. Democracy is the result of community; people coming together to voice their opinions on a matter and the party with the most voices wins - simple as that. I think some of us have a tendancy to evoke morality with democracy which isn't the case. I don't understand what law abiding has to do with democracy because people break the law under democracy just like they do under communist or theocratic governments. Also what exactly do you mean by 'the right moral foundation'? If you have the answer to absolute morality I would love to hear it.Apr 19 2013: Morality is subjective.
Yez Saif
Apr 18 2013: Democracy cannot succeed without the support of the people. No exceptions.Apr 15 2013: We just can't start peace with violence and can't start democracy with dictatorship, internal or external. If we want the rest of the world to go democratic, we should use positive economic incentives (look how well democratic nations do!) rather than the negative threat of force. The same goes for incentivizing the adoption of communications media, from which democracy will follow because the key to democracy is social communication so that the people of the nation in question can make their government into what they want.
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Apr 19 2013: We just can't start peace with violence ...
Cant you... how would define world war 2.Apr 14 2013: In a Democratic country, the decision making is 'representative' and is open to criticism and review and in most cases to reversal. This gives the other countries a sense of predictability and comfort when dealing with democratic countries as we tend to view democracy as being executed 'by the book'.
The reality is however the opposite and democracy has become synonymous with bureaucracy, complacency, politics and corruption. This leaves us all disillusioned with the process in general.
That being said, Democracy is still the number one option because there is nothing as a 'Benevolent Dictatorship'.
Keith W
Apr 14 2013: No you cannot force a Democracy.. that would defeat the very principles Democracy is built on. Democracys may be influenced into existence. The best way to promote Democracy would be through education. The merit of Democracy cannot easily be measured but i do believe its value is a "Self-Evident Truth."Apr 14 2013: Perhaps a better question is "can we", rather than should we (and also, who is "we")? Democracies require some fundamentals in a society that are often not in evidence, such as universal understanding and a basic understanding of and support for the democratic process.
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With the advent of easily accessible internet via phones and tablets, less and less corners of the world will be isolated from the vast array of data on the internet, and thus more and more places will build their own democracies. The Arab Spring, despite its flaws, is an example of this effect.
Forced democracy seems to be an oxymoron to me.Apr 10 2013: You can force the instauration of a democratic structure, pretending someday has a democratic sistem, but youll never can force democracybecauses it will the most antidemocratic decision.
Lee Park
Apr 10 2013: The rest of the world should force America to be a Democracy and not a Plutocracy / Corpocracy seeing it wants to be the global leader ;-)
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Gord G
Apr 9 2013: Lets vote whether we'll take away the right for a country to decide for themselves. ;-)
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I think the response to this question depends on a person's ethical disposition. Whether they lean toward consequentialism or deontology.
Personally, I believe intervention is only appropriate when a populace requests it. And force should only be used to assure an open and just process (and of course this is a very slippery slope).Apr 9 2013: I would agree to the extent that Democracy should not be forced on a people just for the sake of forcing a Democracy. However, in a situation like Germany and Japan, where it was necessary to take down the existing government, replacing it with a Democratic one is the best way to secure the war and secure the peace. This worked extremely well for already ordered society that had a unified identity.Apr 9 2013: If democratic countries really want oriental governments to transformed into democracies they must stop supporting dictators or communist countries and start respecting the rights and will of others. Democracy can not be forced, it should grow within the society therefore it could work.Apr 5 2013: In a way isn't this tied to the conversation is Western Europe indifferent to Bulgarian agony? Members of the EU though not Euro holders should be a top priority. When it comes to business you don't want to pay to bribes to get to a license, transparency. They want elections so helping them achieve free fair elections, Germany needs a buffer zone for resources and consumers, are there white people's who's population rate is still going up, that's so pre 1950's.
Comment in the back of my head about displacing middle Eastern royalty like Saudi's, or the Emirates but they run things with the Bush's they good Prince Bandar good besides we still need that oil for a long time.Apr 4 2013: Going to have to see how Burma/ Myanmar transitions got the attacks on minorities.Apr 4 2013: I think there's also a need to study what might be called tribalism, we in the West have bi -lineal descent meaning we trace our family through both mother and father side. This is not the case in much of the world where labor and legal obligation fall to a distinct family unit usually distinguished by uni-lineal descent through the matri-lineal or patri-lineal side. This results in how they produce herding and farming enclaves and even extended agreement some Kurds practice third cousin marriage or cross cousin marrying, some Kurds are very progressive the PKK's import of Communist doctrine brought in a lot of gender equality etc.. Terms like matri-local and patri-local come up for who you move in with after marriage. Sorry my cultural anthropology class was how the Westerners f----- the natural balance 1400-1600 CE. How the Inca Empire produced more grain than the people living there today, then peanuts in Gambia, then cotton in Ethiopia, Rubber in Liberia culminating in Rhodesia modern day Zimbabwe colonized by Cecil Rhodes the founder of De Beer's and all along the way switching taxes from food staples to the elite to the foreign Pound Sterling. Suffice it to say racked with white man's guilt though I'm Jewish and Irish maybe a little Scot so colonized and foreigner in foreign Eastern Europe lands. I feel I inherit what was an international atrocity is that the right word. That those less developed countries develop the most representative, equal and just discriminating between the two when necessary. Anyways maybe a cultural that goes directly from Chieftain to Democracy managing a vast amount of land will develop a better democracy not having to go through the mess of monarchy and dictators like Cromwell so on especially if they integrate new renewable, in my cultural anthropology class we also talked and read on indigenous conservation technique like native Americans and how parks are learning to work with that. Also if we can export banana republics why nApr 3 2013: i think that democracy is right, but i also feel that there is a flaw. Since people who live in the worlds many countries nowdays are more diverse, we find different people all over. and the establishment of democracy, only allows the rule by the majority, though still not for everyone. What could be a better proposal is a government with equality! where everyone has an equal chance of achieving their goals. Ideal communities may be difficult to obtain as we are constantly changing, but a core set of general rules to lay out equality may be a way forward for us i think.
Apr 3 2013: freedom. democracy is a form of ruling. there is a body, a government that can, using force, impose its will on the people. granted, if people elect this ruling class, it prevents many forms of tyranny and actions against the masses. but it is still an oppressive arrangement which minimizes the number of oppressed. the number of oppressed in a democracy is maximized to be 49%. but exactly as you describe, it can still be oppressive to a group smaller than 49%, let it be 1 or 10 or really up to 49. the system with no oppression is a system with no governing body at all, or at least a government that is limited to basic tasks like national defense, is the system with no or minimal oppression.
Apr 3 2013: Yes, i get what you say about a place without a governing body, but if you look at a system where we can base rules which discriminate less to the entire audience, then this is a step towards that with a governing body as well. If we consider rules which are based for the good of humanity, and a non corruptible governing system, we should be in the right ball park then.
Apr 3 2013: 1, people don't always agree. how do you plan to resolve that?
2, how do you make sure the government does the "right" thing?Apr 3 2013: The issue about people agreeing is directly related to the part about people knowing what is right. Not everyone know what is right, thus not everyone would be able to do what is right and should be the way to do things. However, not giving them the opportunity to logically fight for it, is what happens when power is given to the majority. People not agreeing is independent to people being discriminated against.
To answer your second question, you can think about your government like a company which manufacturers cars. How do we know that the company does the right things with relation to cars? these are governed by a set of rule which work. These rules do not discriminate to the people, since they can be use by everyone. For special case, the cars can be adapted to certain types of individuals such as elderly and handicapped.
How does anyone do the right thing? the set of rules i speak of above need cannot be a of the cuff solution. Itll need to be worked on and determined by a body independent of the place using the rules. real life example could possibly be the united nations and their stances on most issues. They do stuff which are for the good of everyone.
Apr 3 2013: you are very right that the way to prosperity is to teach people to abandon bad behavior. but this solution is independent of having governments. if we have a bunch of people not knowing the right ways, they also will be unable to elect the right persons, or anyhow control or even assess the government. if the people are educated enough, they will do the right thing without a government.
there is a very profound difference between a company and a government. two major differences actually. one is that a success of a manufacturer can be measured very easily. either they make a profit or not. if they make a profit, they grow. if they make a loss, they shrink and finally disappear. however, a government can not be measured that easily. people's opinion will differ. we do not have a proper general theory of what is good. we do not have a set of rules that would satisfy everyone.
the second difference is that if the car manufacturer fails, the owners lose. the workers only lose temporarily, as they will find another job as soon as the market reorganizes itself. but if the government does wrong things, everyone suffers.Apr 1 2013: What is democracy??
People of a community are expected to live harmoniously and peacefully. They are not supposed to invade / hurt other communities.
This can take many forms of govt.
Unfortunately - rich people used / use democracy to promote their business interests. Guess we have to live with this.Apr 1 2013: You know the closest to that happening is Kenya in Somalia and I kind of support that. However I don't think there's many places that model will work. Mali is like trying to preserve a failing democracy. You know the UN mission to Liberia ends this year.Apr 1 2013: No we should force it if Italy had a government right now special envoys to Tunisia and if there's any luck maybe that envoy would tell them about magnesium harvesting in desalination places to spend the booty from the Ali tyrant on installing solar improve conditions under which they live, otherwise it's all just Harlem shake.Mar 31 2013: One should never force rule upon another. Attempting to force democracy on a people is not appropriate, especially when the United States does not truly practice it.
Not every country is most successful with democratic rule. And, the high level of involvement required for a true democracy does not exist in most countries. To force something on another is not supporting the very principle you say that are trying to encourage. You can suggest it, encourage it, and support it when it happens, but you must be willing to say that another form of government is appropriate for the country if the leaders take it that way.Mar 30 2013: Democracy is the most difficult principle of government, requiring a high level of understanding and commitment by the citizens. Trying to impose this on nations that are not prepared for it lends itself to abuse and failure. Yet we have examples where a democratic form of government was imposed by force and became a success. The prime example is Japan after WWII. Japan had zero experience with democracy, yet the transition from autocratic rule to democracy went well and has clearly been a success. Germany after WWII is another example. Of course Japan and Germany were extraordinary nations in desperate situations, and their high level of education, their sense of social order and their readiness to change made it work. But this combination rarely exists.Mar 29 2013: The original idea of democracy, which began in Greece, is that the will of the people should rule.
Apr 18 2013: David: The Greeks invented and tried just about every form of government imaginable, even one city which chose its leader by random lottery drawing. The idea of the "Will of the People" is very murky and subject to manipulation. To hear him tell it, Stalin was chosen by the W.ofP. On the other hand, Ho Chi Minh, the leader of the Viet Cong, was so popular that the US did not dare allow an election to be held, in 1954. I guess the bottom line is that a fair, popular election is best, not because the result is better, but merely because "they chose it", as long as that is not a fraud.
Apr 18 2013: Those past experiments all had the same flaw. They were controlled by people. Electronic Democracy or Direct Democracy has served both Switzerland ansd Denmark well and its efficiency is ever-improving.
With today's technology, it is possible to poll the populace on any major issue and allow voters to make the decisions. The main problem with that is that they might not agree with what the political supporters want.
It's easy to imagine a country where everyone has a vote and can vote on it whatever intrests them. That would be the end of the war makers and the other bullies in the schoolyard.
Maybe the feudal system is coming to an end.Apr 19 2013: David, Greeks = democracy... look up Thrasymachus
Apr 20 2013: This is not a compliment. He was a political theorist that was taken a a joke. Direct democracy is proving itself effective and very inexpensive to administer. It will inevitably increase.Mar 27 2013: Forcing a democracy is as farcical as expecting a hooker 'loved' the sex.Mar 26 2013: Instead of framing it as democracy, why not freedom? to me it makes it clearer - there are many cases where the world community should come together to free people from tyranny (iran, n korea). to free them from criminal pursuit of profit (slave trade, sweet shops). Intervene where people do not have control over their lives. The form of government will evolve from that.
additionally, to frame it as democracy, one must define the form and how it will work - our democracy, in the US, is clearly flawed. Too much influence by corporations and too much influence by the uninformed. having learned that, how can it be corrected? it seems what is badly needed to go along with a free society (to make it truly free) are means to self-correct in a transparent way and avoid being hijacked by those who bring nothing of value to the process.
you mentioned the notion of being forced as a flaw in democracy. How did you arrive at that? democracy does not imply using force. yes, some democracies use force, but that's no the same.
Mar 26 2013: Forcing others to do your bidding is the root of ALL conflicts. Why would anyone presume to have the moral authority to force their will on another?
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Their answer usual to free thinkers and bigots, that when faced vi'ith the reality of actually having THEIH child walk to a dis-tant school for the mere sake of in-tegration and its nnproven benefits, and not education, do what comes naturally to a group like this — They bring you to Court, The school dis-trict apparently will entail substan-tial legal fec^s to defend this action. With budget re(juirenients increasing every year, coupled with no in-creased state aid, th(> heavy burden put on Taxpayers should not bo in-creased by unnecessary lawsuits." Hampton Speakes Mason Hampton, the attorney that successfully fought the Allen Prince-ton Plan through the New York State Supreme Court for Taxpayers and Parents had this to say when contacted about the recent suit brought by eight Negro parents. "Had they been alert, they, the Negro parent.s, would have taken this action a year ago. This now in-volves a federal question. We (TAP) will corite.st this case where ever tliey niay be removed (from State to Federal Court)." "I feel," Hamp-ton stated, "Tliey have waited too long for this to be of any effect." Emergency Operation Mrs. Ruth Ressmeyer, wife of the Rev. Henrj' F. Ressmeyer, pastor of Grace Lutheran Church, Malverne, underwent an emergency appendec-tomy at South Nassau Communities last Tuesday evening. Mi's. Ress-meyer, who is also the kindergarten teacher at the Grace Lutheran Church School, is doing fine and on the road to recovery. Lynbrook Juniors Win First-Born Breakfast By Explorer Edward PiU-zialle Lviibrook High Scliool students held their 34th annual .skit and class nite acti\ities on March 19 and 20. As predicted by some officials the Junior class of tlie school came out on top. The 19lh was skit nite and each ' class put on the best performance they could. Seniors witli "Peter Pan," Juniors witli "Sinbad" and last but not least, the Sop)is with "Alice in Wonderland." Tlie results in order 'ere Seniors, Juniors and Sophs. Sophomer skit is said to have Iwen the best in ten years, but un-fortunately not good enough to win. Friday the 2()th was sport night. The results of tliese events were: BASKETBALL Won Lost - Boys— Juniors Seniors (iirls — Juniors Sophs RELAYS Cirls — Juniors Seniors, Sophs iioys — Jvuiiors Seniors, Sophs VOLLEYBALL Cirls — Seniors Juniors Boys — Jimiors Seniors BACK BOARDS Jimiors Seniors, Sophs As the results of the sport events were announced, the school gym shook with screams of joy and ex-citement. Next year, it is predicted thiit this years Sophomores (next years Juniors) will win the traditional class nite, so, "CJood Luck" Sophs in '65. A "Breakfast lor First Born" sons is planned by the Hewlett-East Rockaway Jewish Centre-Congrega-tion Etz Chaiin, East Rockaway, fol-lowing morning services on Passover E\o" tiiis Friday at 0:45 a.m. On the same day, tlie congrega-tion will usher in the Passover festi-val at evening services at 6 at the temple. Families will gather for the traditional Seder ritual and Passover meal. Passover servifies on Saturilay and Sunday will start at 9 a.m. Rabbi Morris M. Goldberg will preach at 10:45 a.m. His topic will be "Sig-nificance of Passover," and on Sun-day he will speak on "The Four Sons." Evening services on both days will be held at 6. Orange Defeats Blue At Girls Sport Night By S. L. Bove NIalverne's annual Cirls' Sport Night was liold in tlie school g>'innasiuin on Tuesday evening, March 24, when the Orange and Blue teams coinjicted once again. During the close, tense and ex-citing games, both t(>ams w(!re tied often. At the end of the events, each team had scored 24 points, when Orange was awarded the {.'xtra points for Team Organization making them the winners. Blue team, with Pat Piirccll as ^ ^ cantaiii, receix'cd tlie most jioints for their skit, Their tlicm(> was tlu' Knights of the Round Table. Miss Piircell selectc>d Pat C.ucrrin for as-sistant captain; A l i c e Richmond, head of cheering; Diane I'liihr. head of skit; Bets>' 'i'ieman, liead of art; Lucille Pohley, head of costumes; Maiy Ann I'erson, head of finance.s; Roniii (iooilman, senior representa-tiv(?; Karen (Goldsmith, junior rep-resentative; J o a n n a Command(>r, sophomore rt^presentative, and Mrs. Ethel Pratt as faculty sponsor. Orange, winning the songs and cheers event chose Cowboys as their theuu', Regina Adolphus, captain, chose Alexis Seepo as her assistant captain; Beth Cantor, head of cheer-ing; Mavcia Wilson, lieiul oi skit; Jane Starkweather, head of art; Ste-phanie Hamilton, head ol costumes; Rose (^aliendo, head of finiinces; Calli>' Krowii, senior represciilativt?; Linda Miidry, junior representative; Debbie Brandon, sophomore repre-sentative; and Miss Ellen Braimstein as faculty sponsor. -i'iiis was the =?9th Sport Night comiietition, with Bkie team winning a total of 17 times and Orange team winning 11 times, and there has been one tie. All Sportnight activi-ties are under the guidance and di-rection of Physical Education teach-er, Mrs. Inez Buck and Miss Betty Cevniiik.
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STUDENTS have been advising Westmorland General Hospital on how it can provide more cost-effective and 'greener' heating.
Sixth-formers from Ripley St Thomas Church of England Academy in Lancaster worked with Morecambe Bay NHS Trust on the 'Hands On' project for eight months.
The pupils investigated the hospital's annual energy consumption to see how it could be done differently to cut carbon emissions and suggested using local suppliers as one option.
BBC Radio 1 DJ's Chris Moyles and Greg James are packing their bags early and taking their shows to Carlisle a week before Radio 1's Big Weekend.
The pair will broadcast their shows live from Cumbria from Monday (May 9) to Friday (May 13) when they arrive a week ahead of the main event. In addition to their daily shows, Chris, Greg and their teams will be getting out and about in the city and surrounding areas, meeting the residents and celebrating all that Carlisle has to offer.
The pair will immerse themselves in the local community for a whole week, and they also plan to meet the city's students in a Q&A session during the week.
Chris Moyles says: "The Big Weekend is always the highlight of my year and I'm so excited that we get to go up to Carlisle for a whole week beforehand and settle in before everyone else arrives. I'm hoping the good people of Carlisle are going to show us a good time!''
Greg James adds: "I'm really looking forward to this year's Big Weekend and to bring my show live from Carlisle. Chris and I will be out and about meeting the locals during the week and I'm hoping we can experience the best of the city!"
BBC Radio 1's Big Weekend is the UK's biggest free ticketed festival and 40,000 lucky music fans will be able to enjoy performances across four stages at Carlisle Airfield where the event is taking place – the Main Stage; the In New Music We Trust Stage; the Outdoor Stage and the BBC Introducing Stage. This year's artists include, Lady Gaga, Foo Fighters, The Black Eyed Peas, Tinie Tempah and Ellie Goulding.
A truly multiplatform experience, Radio 1's Big Weekend will be broadcast on Radio 1, with a major interactive presence online and many live performances available to watch on demand. There will be highlights on BBC Three and extended performances can be seen via BBC Red Button on digital TV during the weekend.


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Grade B Swiss Cheese Phenix Margarine - mm- <sTri FEEEPOBI. _WBST 1IEHEICE-KKUD EEEEPOHP, N,Y._ fOLLOW THE - LEADER --J IOR: —RELIABLE ADVERfISING FREEPORT'S OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER" NEIGHBORLY- ••-• NEWS . 16th Year No. 18 FREEPORT, N. Y,, THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 27, 1961 FIVE CENTS PER OOPY Firehouse Bids Exceed $110,000 Available For New Structure Board May Be Forced To Issue Capital Notes To Complete Project Bids for constructing a new flrp houae for Hose Company No. 5, opened by the Village Board Mon-day night, all exceeded the $110,000 available for the building. The low-est combination of bids for con-struction, electrical work, plumbing, heating, ventilating and demolition ~6f the old fire house aggregated an amount about $12,000 in excess of the $110,000 earmarked for the pro-ject. After studying the bids in special session Monday night the Village Board ordered them referred to W. Thomas Schaardt of Bellmore, the architect who designed the fire house,, for recommendations. • It is thought some changes might be made in the plans that would bring -the total cost within the $110,000. Eight contractors, most of them •Nassau County concerns, submitted bids for the main construction Jobs. These bids ranged from a low of $102£B9 by the Awserehl Construc-tion Company of Jamaica, headed by Free-port residents, to a high bid of $131200 by Robert Johnson, Inc., of New York City. There, were num-erous bidders for each of the sub-contracts. i-1 A -member ot tihe_ Village Board .stated that-if it-Ish not found fea IMe to •cut^eiio'ti&K'<M&' ot' ttwr jWa to bring them within tile amout available for the job, and if it is not decided to issue another call for Jtrids, the Village could issue capital notes in a limited amount to pro-vide for <the excess above the $110,- 000 available for- t$ie fire house. The Board's final decision as to its course will await recommenda-tions foom the architect. Blood Donors Session At Freeport October 20 The Red Cross blood donor unit will -be- In Freeport Saturday, Oc-tober 20, Mrs. G. A. Goetschius, Jr. lood Program Chairman, announced today. Donors may visit the Atkin-son scnbol on Seaman-avenue dur-ing -the hours from 10 o'clock in the morning until 4 oarlock in the af-ternoon of that day.- The pressing need of blood plasma for the boys in Korea makes it imperative that there should be a generous response to this call, Mrs. Goetschius em-phasized. Prospective donors may make ""appointinerits for the Free-port visit by calling-Mrs. Goetschius at Freeport 9-Qiai.6r.iMrs. R. G. Mc-prganization of a Bed Cross Hrst Aid Class also was announced this week by Mrs. Albert Bleakley, chair-man of Health and Safety for the Freeport Branch. Iriprxier^tor-tiolof a classiinthe-vfllage there must J>e--a~ mffilmum of 20 registrants. Persons interested in taking the course should contact Mrs. .Bleafcley ait FreepoTt $-3392. Baldwift Will Spend $2,142,000 on Schools The proposed $2,142,000 build-ing program for the Baldwin school district on which a special election xwas held Tuesday was adopted toy a vote of 1,774 to 432 or slightly better than. 4 to 1. The money is to'be spent as fol-lows: New Milburn School, $650,- .000; new Hastings school, $700,000; addHion to Prospect School, 5117,-, 000, and addition to Plaze* School, $675,000. / . ZIPPERS PHARMACY OPEN ALL DAY SUNDAY -r-23pper'3 ^nrannacy^Soutli—Grove and Pine streets, will remain open Sunday after .the other druggists in Rreeport close at 2 o'clock. The. telephone Is FEfeepoii 8-0277. Korea Just Rubble Pile Now To Cpl. Kirkwood Johnson Freeport Boy Is Home Under Rotation Plan; In Far East Three Years Korea today Is Just a plle~of rub-ble and you can have It, in the opinion of Corporal Kirtowood John-son of the U.S. Air Force, who is spending a 15-day furlough with his parents, Mrv and Mrs. Charles John-son, of 37 Lee avenue, Free-port, after three years in Japan and Korea. Corporal Johnson was sent home under the rotation plan and is due to spend a year in the United States before going abroad again. As a matter of fact, he has been ordered to report to Mitchel Field next Tuesday and expects to be stationed there for the ne*t few months, perhaps an entire year. A member of the S132nd squadron, ACW (Aircraft Control and Warn-ing Service) Corporal Johnson is a ground force man who works on radar and other air force devices and services. He enlisted four years ago when he was 18. before he fini-shed Freeport High School, and had spent two years with the Army of Occupation in Japan before the war in Korea started. Soon after trouble broke out in Korea his outfit was flown to South Korea. It moved North behind the troops as they advanced 'until i;]fct reached Pyongang, the capital 01 North Korea, about the time the Chinese 'intervened-last December. It had Its worst moments during the evacuation of the capital, being un-der fire from mortars and the small arms of the enemy. Corporal Johnson was sent back to Japan a few weeks before sailing for San Francisco on the "Patrick" a fast troopship which reached San (Francisco from Toklo in nine days without making a single stop on CPL. KIRKWOOD JOHNSON the way. More than 1.000 boys caxne hcme on the ship. The Air Force gave Johnson ^bout $193 for his fare from San Fran-cisco to New York. He took the money and bought an old car for $200 and drove home. A buddy- came with him as far as Salt Lake City, where he became impatient after an accident caused a delay. He came on;iiome'by train/ leaving Johnson :to, mate /the, rest .oi-the trip aipne. V:' Johnson was a .'close friend otf Wilbur "Bond, 'a Freeport boy -who was killed In Korea nearly a year ago. but they were in different branches of the service and saw notching ot each other after going to Korea. Three older brothers of Corporal Johnson are veterans of World War IT. Kirtowood has one year to serve of his five-year enlistment, but he expects to re-enlist. "r"nray make a career out of it." he says. ". Turn Your Clock Back One Hour Saturday Night Freeport residents are advised to turn their, clocks back one hour before ' retiring Saturday night. It will give them an extra hour to' sleep and' when they arise Sunday morning they will be up-to- date and not out of time with the rest of the world. Daylight savins: officially ends Sunday morning at 2 ojn., but as few sit up that late. It will serve their purpose better if they take core of this little detail before going to bed. The end of day-light saving means that.-It will, now be dark when the average person gets home from work in the afternoon. Among the casual-ties will be sofeball games that have been played in the extra hour of daylight provided by the modern expedient of pushing the clocks ahead -during the Summer months. Hundreds Witness Cornerstone Laying Dodd Says Williamson To Be Made Principal of Bayview Avenue School Witnessed by several hundred pu-olls and residents of the district, the cornerstone^jiLjtne new Bayvlew Avenue School atHtylerrick rood and layvlew avenue^ TOi;>Uil<Clh"-place Friday atterhoon'by-Leo^, Olttlyn president .of the Board of Educa-tion, after he and Superintendent John W. Dodd had described the new building and envtotrfe otatiio "the Freeport school system will enjoy when the new building is ready for occupancy next September. Before Mr. Olblyn seized the trowel to officiate at the corner-, stone bhe contents of the metal box seaJed within the stone were ex-amined and described to the spec-tators. Two copies of The Leader, (Continued on Page 4) Data for Future Generations Leo F. Giblyn, president of the Board of Education, with trowel, officiates at laying of cornerstone of new Bayview A venue. School. In the picture,, left to right, also are/Harold E. Pearson, member of the Board of Education; Dr. Johr. W. Dodd, Superintendent; and-Walter Hawkins, superintendent of buildings for Freeport"schools,' . ° . - -. . , ' , v Board Will Consider Issuance ot Permits To Protect Residents Spaces Are Being Taken By People From Other Villages, Is Complaint Tthe Village Board has "called a public hearing to be held In the Municipal Auditorium Monday night, October 22, to consider what can be done to improve parking conditions for Freeport commuters* Commuters now park along Brdokiyji avenue, in the parking field on Grove street back of the Municipal Building and- in the new parking field at Broadway and Harding place. They are permitted to park all day without a time limit or charge. . Recently, however, ibhe Village Board has received many complaints that commuters from other vil-lages are pre-empting the space they think should be reserved for Free-port residents. As a result there is not space enough to accommo-date all the local commuters satis-factorily. Those who catch the later trains complain they find the spaces all taken. One .suggestion to be considered by the Village Board la that the village Issue commuting parking li-censes for a.nominal tee^probatriy $1 a.year—and exclude cars without ffuch/llcensea trtxn the teffiflar com-muter parkins fields. Trails license would be a small lag that could be attached to one corner of the reg-ular license plate on . the rear of the commuters' car. " -"'-' • • *'Letters received at the Village office- point out fehat Hempsteod, Rockville Centre and some other villages have been using such tags for a number of years and that the plan has proved helpful in main-taining special -parking facilities for commuters. Representatives of all the Free-port civic associations will be invi-ted to attend the hearing, 'which will be open to 'the .public, especial-ly to commuters. Time will be given to hear the grievances commuters many have abbut present condi-tions and consider various sugges-tions for solving the problem. 70 Visit Dog Shelter As Observance Opens The Long Island Humane and Dog Protective Association at Its monthly meeting in the home of President James H. Oruikshank, '178- Sputh Ocean ^.venuerMonday night, voted- to -hold —open'*house at the Shelter for members -of the Pet Patrol sometime in Jhe Spring. JVtrs. Raymond Ci—Becfc, in charge of th>T'Pet Patrol "hi Merrlck; told of the desire of the youngsters to have an opportunity to Inspect the shelter. fAra. Beck also was named chair-man of the annual card party which will be held'In (February^ In - obsbrvancer "ofUational ^ Dog" Week, the Shelter at Rider place and Hanse avenue is open: for in-spection daily from 9 o'clock to 5 o'clock this week. About 70 visited the place on Sunday. Mrs. Charles O. Whltlock, chair-man of the board,, presided. Mrs. Oruikshank served refreshments following the meeting. BEHRENS G.Q.P. .CAMPAIGN FUND HEAD FOR FREEPORT Ernest H.'Behrens has been named chairman of the Republican Fin-ance Committee to raise -campaign funds in Freeport. Norman F. Pen-ny, the. county, chairman, has fixed the goal a& "' Leader Index Editorial ___. Gbltuftriea >.i~.. Society 3L, Around -Towfl>m Joe Rome!lea ... •Shopping ;^^:'5"^
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Nah-Shon Burrell and Karlos Vemola among six fighters removed from UFC.com - Bloody Elbow
As soon as an event is over, it's inevitable that a few fighters will have fought for the last time with the promotion. Sometimes exactly which fighter ends up being on the outside is a bit of a surprise (unless you're the omnipotent Tim Burke), sometimes the predictions feel easy. Whatever the means or the method, it would appear that another six fighters have made their exit from the world's largest MMA promotion: Eddie Mendez, Roger Hollett, Anthony Smith, Nah-Shon Burrell, Karlos Vemola, and Leandro Silva.


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By LEE ADAMS
After seven tough games, MIssissippi State has gotten a bye week.
MSU head coach Dan Mullen is utilizing this week to refocus his players and taking full advantage of the opportunity.
"We're using it as an opportunity to work on some fundamentals and get back to basics," said Mullen. "Continuing to get some of our young guys experience and reps as we move into the second half of the season."
The second half of the season will begin on Oct. 29 when the Bulldogs travel to Kentucky to battle the Wildcats. Once the bye week is complete, Mullen has a few things he wants to see improved.
"After the bye week,we plan to see some improvement on all of those fundamentals offensively, defensively and in the kicking team, to execute at a much higher and cleaner level," said Mullen.
The bye week has let a little of the controversy surrounding the quarterbacks die down, but it is still an issue whether Tyler Russell of Chris Relf will be the starter. However, Mullen says it will be a week to week decision.
"We are always putting the guy out there who we feel gives us the best opportunity to win football games," said Mullen. "It's our job as coaches to put our players in the best position to be successful on the field."
All of the quarterbacks get reps with the ones during practice as they have all season, and Mullen has a reason for doing that other than finding the right guy to start.
"You better have at least two guys ready during the week, or else you're going to get in trouble if somebody gets hurt on Saturday," said Mullen. "You have to get those guys prepared. Sometimes during the flow of the game, you go off of feel and sometimes you have plan."


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What songs would you like Korn to Kover
Sorry if this has already been a topic. I can't find it.
I would like Korn to do a re-make/cover of Duran Durans Lonely In Your Nightmare
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Re: What songs would you like Korn to Kover
Candy-O by the Cars would be bitchin!
Re: What songs would you like Korn to Kover
Megadeth - Sweating Bullets
Black Sabbath - War Pigs
Nine Inch Nails - Closer
U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday
Cypress Hill - Insane In the Brain
Nirvana - All Apologies
The Cranberries - Zombie
Fleetwood Mac - Landslide
and too many more to name!
Re: What songs would you like Korn to Kover
Rather than making a new thread, I'm just going to bump this one. And another idea if they were to do a cover album is for them to cover the song from the era that they were influenced. So that way, the covered songs will have the sounds of their earlier sound to their modern electronic infused sound. I will group the songs as such.
Korn - Take a Look in the Mirror and Korn III sound
Pantera- This Love
Helmet- Milquetoast
Metallica- Sad but True
Prong- Unconditional
Dir En Grey- The Deeper Vileness
See You on the Other Side - Untitled sound
The Beatles- Strawberry Fields Forever
Radiohead- Creep
Nine Inch Nails- Ruiner
Black Sabbath- Behind the Wall of Sleep
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds- Straight to You
The Path of Totality - The Paradigm Shift sound
Rush- Tom Sawyer
MUCC- Fuzz -Thunder Groove Ver.-
White Zombie- Thunder Kiss '65
David Bowie- Little Wonder
KISS- Detroit Rock City
Judas Priest- Turbo Lover
Re: What songs would you like Korn to Kover
Anathema - Sleepless (with that bass... Fieldy could make an awesome sound!!)
Danzig - I don't mind the pain
Sisters of mercy - Temple of love
Crematory - Tears of time
"Living a life that seems to be... A lost reality..."
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Zookeeper for a day? Yes please!
Last updated at 20:37, Thursday, 19 April 2012
Tangling with tapirs, larking about with lemurs and meeting meerkats – there's a chance for youngsters to become a zookeeper at Trotters World of Animals near Bassenthwaite.
The wildlife park has launched zookeeper experiences for eight to 14-year-olds and Kara Burrough, eight, of The Green, Little Broughton, and Annalise McCreedy, eight, of Poole Road, Salterbeck, Workington, were the first to try it out.
Moving on from the traditional petting zoos of yesteryear, park bosses hope it will help educate and entertain youngsters by bringing them closer to exotic animals.
The session allowed the two girls to get up close to the tapirs, lemurs and meerkats.
They started by chopping up apples, carrots and parsnips to feed to two Brazilian tapirs, under the watchful eye of keeper, Matthew Browning.
The 12-year-old tapirs, Muffin and Rio resemble a cross between a pig and a small elephant.
Tapirs are herbivores that live mainly in the Amazon rainforest and are the second largest land mammal in South America.
Kara showed no fear in grooming or feeding the tapirs.
Kara said: "It was wonderful. I liked feeding the tapirs because they tickled your hands."
Next they had the task of mixing mealworms with bananas and chicken paste, and spreading it on two logs, to feed 14 meerkats.
Both girls were excited to get the chance to see the meerkats, an animal made famous by the comparethemarket.com insurance adverts.
The girls laid down the logs and stood back as the meerkat family – led by mum Julie and dad Dave, squabbled over the food.
Several of the meerkats were close to the girls and stood on their hind legs.
They weren't allowed to get too close, however, as the animals can be unpredictable.
Kara said: "I liked the meerkats, they were so cute."
Annalise added: "They are smaller than they look."
The meerkats scored highly on the cuteness scale when compared to the tapirs, but it was less hands-on work for the girls.
And if the girls thought the meerkats were adorable, they were in for a pleasant surprise with the lemurs.
The end of the experience saw the girls chopping up apples, bananas, peppers, broccoli and grapes, to feed to the ring-tailed lemurs, from Madagascar.
They have bright yellow eyes and a striped black and white tail.
Their behaviour is similar to that of a monkey, as they hang from branches and groom each other.
The lemurs were by far the most active and playful of the three animals.
They jumped on the girls shoulders and were not afraid to be stroked.
Two of the lemurs had given birth to babies just days earlier and could be seen carrying them around, tucked under their chest.
Kara said: "My favourite has been the lemurs because they are so cute and all kept jumping on me and did tricks when I tried to feed them."
Annalise said: "I thought at the beginning that the tapirs would be my favourite but I preferred the lemurs because they jumped on us and they showed off."
Richard Robinson, park manager, decided to start the junior experience after several requests.
He said: "They are doing three short and sharp things over the space of an hour. It keeps the kids interested.
"It's a one-off. You can't do it anywhere else. It's very much an educational experience. It's learning outside."
Kara said: "I would like to be a zookeeper. It's definitely something I would like to do."
The junior experience is for children aged eight to 14, costing £30, and has to be pre-booked.
For more information, call 017687 76239.
First published at 19:24, Thursday, 19 April 2012
Published by http://www.timesandstar.co.uk
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Courtesy of Tattoo Archive: Percy Waters was one of the great tattooists/suppliers in the history of our business. Over the years he produced machines with many different frame designs and in his catalog he offered a full line of supplies. Waters was an old-school supplier and the machines that he offered were set-up to operate with connector cords. If you look at photographs of tattooists working in the early 1900s, you will notice a mass of wires on their work stands. These wires connected them machines to their power supply. The clip-cord had not been invented yet, so each machine had its own cord…
As with most suppliers of his era Waters offered several starter kits which were called outfits at that time. The top of the line of Waters' outfits was his Professional Tattooing Outfit, which included four machines, switchboard, 8 ½ pound bag of red, brown, green and yellow, a pint of liquid pearl black ink, an instruction booklet, 20 sheets of colored flash, foot switch, cord, a sheet of celluloid and a stencil cutting tool. An $89.25 value for only $85.00! From the Professional Outfit it went down to the Compacted Outfit for $25.00, then to the Economical Outfits at $9.75 and $19.50, the Amateur Outfit at $6.00, the Beginners at $5.00 and finally his Hand Tattooing Outfit starting at $1.50. The basic hand outfit included one set of hand needles, a jar of red and black ink and a sheet of designs. Waters sold so many outfits that he started having to number them in his promotional materials; he must have run out of names!
The Amateur Outfit that Waters sold included an outlining and shading machine that he described as the "Deluxe." This was an interesting frameless machine that we have never seen, except in an illustration. The whole top end of the machine (back spring mount and contact point) is mounted off the top of the coil cores. From the illustration in Waters' flyer it is hard to imagine how the connector cords are hooked up to this machine, there are no visible connectors. I would like to thank Aaron Coleman for his great illustrations, of the Deluxe machine and the Waters ribbon & flowers, included with this article.
- Percy Waters business card, 1930s.
- Illustration by Aaron Coleman of Percy Waters' "Deluxe" machine.
- Description of Percy Waters' "Amateur Outfit", from 1920s catalog.
- Percy Waters supply envelope, 1933, Courtesy of Temple Tattoo Museum.
- Illustration by Aaron Coleman.
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He's only gone and done it again. Just two days after breaking his own Isle of Man TT lap record with a 19m26s lap in his Subaru WRX STI, Mark Higgins has today gone faster again.
Higgins breaks Isle of Man record… again!
Subaru WRX STI driver shaves another 11 seconds off his TT time. He's mad. Quite mad
The iron-testicled rallyist clocked a time of 19m 15s, shaving 11 seconds from his Wednesday time. Around the Isle of Man's 37.3-mile course, that equates to an average speed of 117.5mph. That's astonishing.
"This was a great run when everything came together, and I was able to do a much cleaner lap," said Higgins after his run. "I am still learning where I can go flat in this car."
"I am really happy to beat the lap records set by John McGuinness in the Zero Bikes [electric motorbikes], and the sidecar lap record as John was riding me about that!"
Higgins's WRX STI is a stock US-spec 2015 car, save for an FIA roll cage, race seats and harness, along with toughened springs and dampers, a noisy straight exhaust (for crowd safety, apparently), and Dunlop Direzza tyres.
"I can't say enough about the WRX STI and how much abuse it has taken," said Higgins. "We have really ridden it hard over this course for three very fast runs."
Mr Higgins, Top Gear salutes you. Can anyone possibly top his time? Mr Loeb, you'd better get learning the course...
Elsewhere on the island, this afternoon Michael Dunlop won his first-ever Isle of Man Senior TT bike. It's the first Senior TT win for BMW since Georg Meier's in 1939, Michael's fourth TT win of the week, and 11th overall.
The Northern Irish rider crossed the line 14s ahead of local rider Conor Cummins with notorious Lincolnshireite Guy Martin in third place. It wasn't a perfect race as Michael had to slow down for his brother William, who'd fallen from his Suzuki while competing in the same race.
He is reportedly stable and conscious, and had been taken to Noble's Hospital by air ambulance with a suspected broken leg. TG wishes him a swift recovery.


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If a short tale about a subject that is - let's face it -not very pleasant to talk/think about can be considered charming, then The World of Poo is a real charmer.
'Tis short and easily read in one sitting (quite handy if you do adopt to read it whilst making use of your own in-door plumbing marvel that is the Water Closet....which I did - ahem...where's the blushing smiley... )...wrapped up tightly in a nice warm blanket of Discworld nostalgia, taking a stroll down memory lane to visit such favoured locales as the Sunshine Sanctuary for Sick Dragons or a gentle ride/sludge down the Ankh in Harry Kings boat for a jolly game of Poo sticks whilst dodging the 'dung from above', It's just a guilty little pleasure to treasure
I thoroughly enjoyed the 20 or so minutes I spent on this interesting and informative little 'output' (yes, it was a leg number )....It's uninvasive in your life and doesn't worry about the hassle of a plot or a direction, it just sort of ...plops out as it goes along......excrement it is not....
Worth a tenner, for the nostalgic moments, can't say I learnt a lot about 'poo' but can't say I really wanted to either. All in all, a pleasant little movement Terry squeezed out to supplement any Pratchett readers collection...it goes with 'Where's My Cow' and the Maps as a Discworld frivolity, it doesn't leave any bad odours and there's a certain amount of satisfaction that comes from completing it.... smiles all round really