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- Levi LCL
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Director-General , The Universal Party
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Is Nationalism a 21st Century Ethic - Isn't Nationalism more like Racism or Sexism than Patriotism?
Everywhere you look there are stories, articles, and studies showing a growing trend of 'global minded' citizens all around the world. We hear talk of the 'international community' in everyday articles about wars, embargos and conflict as well as arts and culture. Most know that our modern economy is highly interdependent and have come to terms with the realization that what happens in another country affects their domestic policy and the ordinary lives of their citizens. Why then is nationalism so common, among an already global world where everyday life is dictated more by what occurs in foreign countries than the people around you. From clothes, to food, to music and movies, to automobiles and gas can we afford to be nationalist any longer?
It seems that nationalism is very much like racism or sexism when your on the receiving end of the hostility and brutality it creates. People despising you just for existing or being born somewhere, something you cannot change, and even though we may be able to change our nationality (those of us who are wealthy enough) we must pick one, and any choice carries with it a long host of problems. In a global world shouldn't there be more space for global citizens, for people who don't want to listen to politicians rally against foreigners to scapegoat their policies and problems, or commit to other xenophobic tendencies.
The idea that one can be a nationalist and fair and balanced to other nations and peoples is very much based on the outdated and unjust idea of "separate but equal'. Which as we all know from history and everyday life never occurs and is merely a sweet way of asking to keep things the same, often said by those from the wealthiest and most privileged backgrounds in their respective nations.
To commit to a nation is to prioritize one country, one people, over 190 others, which means no matter who you are or where you are, you automatically care less about the majority of humanity. There is another way, right?
Closing Statement from Levi LCL
Thanks everyone for participating in a lively debate on nationalism, and the rise of supranationalism in the 21st century as a practical solution and identity to the global social problems we face.
Due to the breadth of replies, I suggest those who are still interested in arguing this case continue, and join 'The Universal Party' on Facebook - A platform of universal values aimed at creating a global political movement that rallies supranationalism and applies it to the world stage.
We are the first truly global generation and the 21st century belongs to us. Thus lets continue this debate.
Sep 29 2012: The political scientist Benedict Anderson describes nation states as imagined communities. 'Imagined', he writes, 'because members of even the smallest nation will never know most of their fellow members, meet them, or even hear of them, yet in the mind of each lives the image of their communion.'
Today's nation state based world is a political anarchy because each state has absolute freedom about what it does with its resources, which are not really it's resources if one draws a line through it next day. The national borders are contrived and lines with history (mostly sad) marred with wars, aggression or simply accession by military power. Just look at the cross border conflicts over rivers, land and natural resources.
Nationalism is an idea that can make one person hero and villain on two sides of a line. It is an increasingly debatable and outdated concept in a world at the brink of environmental collapse.
Sep 30 2012: Nice way of putting it.Oct 2 2012: Every imaginary line drawn in the sand creates another bar of a real prison for oneself and every other person that approaches.
Jiddu Krishnamurti:
"When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of [everyone]. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a [person] who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; [such person] is concerned with the total understanding of [everyone]."
A world citizen.
Oct 2 2012: Interesting way of putting it! Territory I have said is an incredibly divisive idea. Property can still exist, but we really got to work on this concept of territory.
kilani tago
Sep 24 2012: Nationalism, oh a word i hate so very much, well to me its stupid we r seperated from everyone else we r in our countryd thinkin we r better then them and we r stronger when reslly we r all just a bunch of dumb asses fighting for shit yeah like america my great country its so free we have so much freedom yet a person can go kill someone and get away but get put in jail for smoken a blunt, other countrys say oh we r men we rule the women, others say, lets keep war going and not try to help shit...wish we new how many people r actually dieing for nothing just for freedom that we could have for free .... but no . i think we should all stop being followers and make some revolution. only resson the world is like this is cuz we dont do anything about it only thing the president cares for is gay rights. I hate being called part of this nation not to sound so bitchy but it used to be a goood nation but then some how it came to this.... then nationalism u get all these fights about race ,sex, and a lot of dumb shit people dont honestly care about they just want to sound right and so much education so little smart people ....WTF!! -_- STOP MAKEN US YOUNG PPL GO TO SO MUCH SCHOOL half the ppl out there r fucking rich and havent done shit!..... i wish i was not even human and if u spent time reading this then wow u waisted a while of ur life cuz no one will listen to anyone that isnt old and blind why cant the young nation have a choice in our future yall r going to be dead! we need a say! and so manypeople r gunna read this and say omg look at how un educated this girl is... well heres what i say.... i didnt ask for ur comment thanks for paying attention but do me a favor and fuck off... spelling and punctuation isnt going to get u the good things in life which come completely free and our natioinalism put a price on it now days .....we can stand against it. but i doubt anyone would try besides me
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Sep 24 2012: You have more people in your corner, and thinking just like you do, than you may realize. Your anger is justified, in my humble opinion. Speaking now from my own personal and past expeience, it is time to own the reasons you are upset, redirect your anger and focus on what if any future we have left before us. We have to do this if we are to make a better world for our children that are on their way. From my past, I will share with you that my unleashed anger took from me several years of freedom, giving to me incarceration due to my own choice to abuse illegal drugs in a failed effort to self-medicate. Sometimes you anger seems directed at your allies, like myself, who could not agree with you and your sentiments more strongly. Channel that anger kilani, and let us do something for the future and become people who are able to love themselves for the ground we stood. your ally, Tim
Sep 24 2012: Many stand.
Sep 26 2012: thanks Levi, you and others like yourself give me confidence to stand and think deeper than we were taught. And your right, our sharing will help others rethink, or begin to think about all that we all have shared today. may it give them strength to look deeper without feeling aloneor like a traitor. That is one of nationalisms most evil characteristic, when people think for themselves they have been taught to believe they are traitors and evil. many world leaders could not be happier about the subject consequences of thinking freely. Hope to hear more questions like this.Sep 24 2012: Im not an angry person if i seem to be i just find it sad that people r so stuck in there own minds to try to exspress someone elses and understand it. People never have the exact same opinions. But that doesnt mean we should fight over that. And the freedom we have yeah sure its great but its comeing with a cost when we could have it for free and full. We dont have full freedom theres more to it that i think we havent understood because our generations have trys to block the thought out and yeah people stand but not really thinking it threw and yeah. The younger generation needs to have a voice.
Sep 26 2012: Hello kilani. Forgive me for assuming I knew anything about you when we have only met here at TED. My sub-conscious mind attempts to measure the whole of the world and its inhabitants from memories stored, it can be my own worst enemy, when really it only means to protect me. I assumed you're angry because of your choice of words, when I am angry, tired or frustrated, etc., etc., I use very harsh language. When I hear it, I check myself and try to understand why I am I speaking with such venom, so intellectually, when I hear similar talk I assume someone is mad as hell, like me. You have reminded me to try and listen with a heart equally strong as my mind, then I know, I will be more objective.
I also remember , what I call shattered illusions, times in my life when I understood the planet was a much different place then the one I had hoped to be born into. People were not sharing in hopes and visions for each other, and many secretly hate another's success or happiness, sometimes, even family. These thoughts anger me, yet to this day. At times, I must retreat to sort it out. People wonder what has happened to me when they have not heard or seen me for awhile. All these years later and I remain to struggle against the anger, the same anger that fuels my positive, pro-social actions through out the other days. I t may sound psychotic, I understand, but this anger was unleashed for thirty years of my life, leaving a path of destruction, theirs and mine. I began to understand the story of the two dogs fighting within my chest, told to me by an elderly friend of mine. My Grandmother knew of this rage, and used to recite her dreams of my un-doing in an effort to help me through the struggle of owning the turmoil within my soul. The batle for the bragging rights between my heart and mind. I share this because my prejudice is due to me, not you. You are concerned and thinking, for that I thank you. The world may not heal, but I do acquire understandingSep 24 2012: Listen to the youth for they speak the truth. Rhymes aside, the feeling of entitlement is a great fan to our friend flame. Freedom has never been free that is why until now many find it hard to even find the words to describe it yet alone claim to have it in its entirety. Move forward my dear, that is the best advice this clueless adult can give you. Understand your anger and own it, use your words and solve the problem. Attitude is everything.
Sep 24 2012: Freedom should be free. How will anyone know until someone stands up and trys to make it free. The only reason its not is because generations b4 us and we continue to walk in the same way we should switch it up. War is how we get freedom? Thats not free not free isnt freedom we should be able to be one. Just wish presidency war and government didnt exist seperation would stop and fightwas not a solution.. sounds like an amazing life we could have
Sep 26 2012: You're right! Freedom should be free, and it is mind wash that tells us freedom is not free. I understand, today, there is no freedom living in civilized nations. Where ever there is organized religion, institutionalized education, and a legitimized government that takes liberty or freedom from anyone not infringing on the rights of others, or they may trick you into believing in ownership rights of earth, water, and minerals, then tax you annually for them and take them when your taxes are not paid, (is this truly ownership) then you are paying for your freedom, which means it is no longer free. Only some of the indigenous people around the world experience anything close to the freedom we speak of and we do not have to look very far back to see what happened to the native americans. We don't have to look back at all to see what is happening this day to tribal people all around the world. From the southern tip of south america to the farthest points north of canada and alaska, imperialistic conquest, manifest destiny has colonized it all, acquired our freedom for the price of a false sense of security. The lives, humans, animals, birds, fish, reptiles, insects, and spiders are bought and sold for the natural resources they own and occupy. Some think," It's too damn bad they were born on top of our oil!" (uranium, cobalt, etc., etc.) Aside from all of this, we have to remember, there could not have been a better time for us to be born, we are the help and answer we have been waiting on. The generations yet to come are counting on us to be where the ancients have foretold we would be waiting, with the strength and knowledge for a healthier earth kept safe in our hearts. There is ancient prophecy of the indigenous, several thousand years old which speaks of the days we live. Maybe, if you are interested, check out Rainbow Warrior Gathering, or Warriors of the Rainbow. It may help ease your mind, many are there who share your questions and desiresSep 26 2012: kilani, one more thing. I had to smile when I read and re-read your statement and/or question,
"War is how we get freedom?"
I love it! I don't know how old you are and it doesn't matter, your insight inspires me. Many people who believe they are knowledgeable would tell you, "yes' we are fighting for our freedom, and spreading democracy." Wars are not fought to preserve freedom, in my humble and knowledgeable opinion, wars are fought to steal freedom and prop up fake democracies. In the next few years, we are going to hear and learn a lot about the many wars and thirty-+ invasions the u.s. has committed, the lies that led up to and the lies still perpetrated to this day in an effort to protect the guilty. Check out the new release at the bookstores by Juan Gonzales --"Harvest of Empire" The movie is soon to be released and we americans will know why I refer to this country as the united states of embarassment
check out www.DemocracyNow,org
If you have access to satellite tv, check out Free Speech TV channel 348 here on Direct TV, also Link TV on channel 375, also on Direct TV channel 375, great truthful programming, and as hard as it might be, as far as entertainment and cheap laughs go, quit watching cable and network news channels. I wish you the best and hope to hear more from you. You are welcome to e-mail me through TED's inhouse e-mai, anytimel. TimSep 26 2012: "When the earth is sick and the animals are dying there will come a tribe of peoples from all cultures who believe in deeds not words who will restore the earth to her former beauty. This tribe will be known as the Warriors of the Rainbow."
Fábio Nunes
Sep 10 2012: "There's no finer use of a flag than a blanket"
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People only defend nationalism when they want to do something that goes against human dignity. By arguing that they are doing it for their country (such as wars, terrorism, crusades) they are underrating important human values, that in normal circumstances would stop them from these acts of war.
Sep 10 2012: Very true, often the worst atrocities are done out of a justification 'for the greater good' or 'well-being' of a nation. Humanity would afford no such justification, or a human identity.
Levi LCL
Sep 7 2012: Humans will never make progress divided into imaginary communities fighting over relatively small problems, divided we fail, united we stand. Many accept this as true, we the globally minded, merely ask for it to be translated into action.
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All for one, one for all. It is both possible, and necessary to adopt this view in the face of growing economic inequality, clossal environmental degradation, and numerous violent conflicts. We (humans) have overcome slavery, kingdoms, tribes, and empires that have kept us apart, now we will overcome nationalism. The strongest most potent force of conflict in the modern world.
Not because any one nation so evil or unpleasant for its citizens, but because on a whole the nation-state system simply doesn't work out - no matter how hard people try to make it work, and on some level we all know it.
This leaves us with the choice, to invent a new man made system, or to plough on without reform allowing our problems to outweigh our capacity to solve them. Some may choose the later, but many may rise to the challenge, be brave, and make a change of history that will come to define the 21st century.
We humans have got a lot of problems, and we need unity more than anything. Nations don't solve problems, people do, and their numbers grow everyday.
It's time people show their pride in being human, not some separate smaller identity.Sep 3 2012: We live in local communities first before we are global citizens; and it is in being law abiding citizens in our local communities that we show ourselves as good global citizens.
Patriotism is good; but we are together in our humanity. No nation should adopt the "It's us against the world" view.
Patriotism must give way to universal charity when the two conflict.
Sep 3 2012: I was raised in 50 countries by the time I was 20. I have no home village, and there are millions more like me. For us there is only one option, global citizenship, as its easier for us to feel at home in Korea when we're German, or At home in Brazil when we are Japanese.
Perhaps an alternative is the idea of human patriotism, for the human nation. I believe it can have an even more engaging habit and powerful meaning, if we start to use it more often.
But what you said is good as well.
Sep 4 2012: The word Patriotism has the ring of violent conflict attached to it. It's not the sort of name I would use for a peaceful rally call on a planet-wide level.
I would suggest world citizen as a replacement.
Sep 4 2012: Suggest an alternative.Sep 4 2012: Perhaps humanism.Sep 5 2012: World citizen and humanism are theories, and good suggestions, but human patriotism is a feeling towards one another.
You wouldn't be like I want people to feel (world citizen) towards one another. Changes in words can have changes in the human heart, many villagers around the world or poor citizens may not feel they have the prestige to call themselves globetrotters, but they can darn well feel patriotism for the world, and a human nation.
Part of the strange wording, is an attempt to make the identity of global citizens less aloof, and more like something people en mass can get into, a fever to be caught.Sep 5 2012: Patriotism is a level of devotion to ones country. Some Patriots feel more aloft than others, more patriotic than their fellow devotes.
By calling into question: how devoted are you to your country, you create a standard of alignment. You could force them back into a national alignment structure.
World Citizens would have to find their point of alignment in this devotee structure. If they didn't measure up, perhaps they might feel the need to establish their own global alignment, their own patriotic group. This would have the effect of creating Global Citizen who are aligned in different groups. We end up with the same diversity that leads to social, Global fragmentation.
How about something simple like brother and sisterhood?
Or, another simple word, Earthling? Citizen of the Earth, etc.
Sep 6 2012: "A patriot is a man who loves his country always... and his government... when it deserves it." Mark Twain paraphrased
Jan Seidler
Sep 3 2012: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." ~Albert Einstein
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Nationalism is no longer relevant to this epoche of globalizing tendency. Sure, it provides a sense of identity in some form; but perhaps instead of nationality, we need humanity; and instead of nations, we need a world. This tribal thinking may have served us well in the past, where identity as a nation, or tribe for that matter, was essential for survival of both the race and their culture. Today we have the opposite. We have two tendencies nowadays: The dissolution of nationality by political/economical means (example: European Union) and the dissolution by common means, that is, growing together and accepting one another's cultures, thus improving upon them. The problem with nationality, is wide in its scope, yet simple in its explanation: separation. We separate us with fellow man, when calling ourselves german, or polish, italian, etc... That truly constitutes an act of violence toward the species as a whole.
It takes time, but most important of all, it takes a working worldly socio-economic model to hold the glue together (not under the rule of governments or private financial institutions such as the World Bank, but under the people -for the people). I mention socio-economic system, because when shit hits the fan (economic collapse) you see hatred towards one another, instead of compassion. Take the European Crisis that is taking place. The greek are slagging off the Germans for being Nazi-like with European politics, and the Germans labeling the Greeks for being lazy, unworthy. Why did this happen? Political Union - too fast and without the whole understanding of culture. So again to nationalism, we need rather access to the necessities of life, and I assure you, nations will grow together. Look for instance what a movement like the Zeitgeist Movement, for example, has recognized to be true: we are one planet.
Sep 3 2012: Great points, I am in agreement - right up until the ending. The Zeitgeist Movement, its one of those organizations where you dont trust the founder, and as success isnt quickly realized it becomes progressively like a cult. When people get frustrated they become increasingly brash. Nonetheless strong points, and perhaps a very similar means.
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Sep 3 2012: Thanks, I am the Director-General of The Universal Party, I have no need for other movements, I only wish to add and combined movements into ours so that we may add upon one another and make real change in a consolidated global narrative.
But as a good habit I remain open to suggestion. Perhaps to avoid my inevitable corruption as you suggest ).
Imri Rivas
Oct 2 2012: Yea I happen to agree... I also think nationalism is much so an illusion. It doesn't really exist. What exists are the differences in culture, and maybe race, but race is also a made thing in our heads to structure the world (so often at the expense of others); nationalism is something else entirely. Like saying that I'm "American". "American" is basically everything in the world; French, English, Irish, Native American, African, Mexican, etc. etc. Nothing really makes "American", unless you say so in your head. No nation or culture is superior to another too. And to finish this off, words of Buddhism come to mind: "The world is my home." Nationalism. Ugh
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Gil Lavie
Sep 30 2012: Borders are evolving and will keep metamorphosing over the years. The nation-state we know today will be much different in the future.Sep 26 2012: Mi Piace!!!! Thank You Levi! You put a new perspective of nationalism for me! I think that racism, sexism, nationalism, and other prejudices are stemmed from ignorance, close-mindedness, and contentedness.
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kilani tago
Sep 26 2012: see finaly somone understand thank you!!! Fina;
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lly thanks TIM :)
kilani tago
Sep 26 2012: I don't care who you be knowin or what you created, what school you attended and how you were grade Yeah who you grew up with or who you just dated, and what you agree with or what you debated. You cherished or hated, different or related. You sober or faded, :) we should be thinkin like this
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David Chiu
Sep 25 2012: In light of the recent tensions between China and Japan over the Diaoyu Islands, this discussion feels painfully salient. As a 1st generation Chinese-Canadian living in urban China now, I am alarmed - even horrified - to find the divisive sense of nationalism present even amongst my tween-aged students. "Teacher, do you like Japan?" they recently asked beginning a class. All it took was my "Yes" to elicit their unexperienced and propagandized, yet strong and pervasive dislike - even hate - was towards Japan(ese) (I wasn't quite able to pin down whether it was the noun or adjective that was the target of their comments). Everything from "bomb the Japanese" to "it's okay to kill them because they killed millions of Chinese in Nanjing". Most were readily able to regurgitate facts from their history books and report news bites about American companies (read Apple) suspiciously published map data that names the disputed territory according to the Japanese name. "America wants China to go to war with Japan so that it China will stay behind in the global economic race," one student said.
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If the bitter, angry tones of nationalism exist even amongst these innocent, unexperienced children in this urban, forward-thinking country, I am afraid to think about how else they must manifest. Such senseless hate. I am left with the motivating thought, "What is my responsibility in all of this?"
Sep 25 2012: Changing mindsets towards racism came from people confronting it, the same can be done for xenophobia where most beliefs are held - unchallenged. Point out that being human comes first, nations second and that talking in this manner negates the humanity and dehumanizes, its not logic, its prejudice.
Few people knowing participate in prejudice, once its out in the open.Sep 24 2012: I think everyone is keen on change, progress and moving forward. I believe the challenge truly lies in finding something truthful common ground that everyone can benefit from and building that vision for the next generation. But first if posters are really honest about this pursuit, we all have to agree that we will not be the ones to reap.the benefits but rather the next generation or even the one after. The key lies in inspiration. No matter what anyone says in this forum, change will not follow. The status quo is what it is, and merely preaching that the world should be one is not enough to overcome inspired nationalists, patriots, the religious and anyone who values their identity over another's. That is just the nature of the beast. The real path to unity is the conceptual understanding that together we are stronger, that bigger is only better when the right system is applied. Communities and economics run on both the principle of communication.
Sep 24 2012: We could be something greater then and bigger then what has been on earth. Just to many negative people that wont give a single shit. We need u except that not everyone is the same and weall have our opinions but we can look deeper then just our differences i mean imagen a life where we could just be free and not afraid. Just plane free its sad though. We cant get over our small difderences. Some people r so ignorentSep 24 2012: Nationalism, along with all the other -isms is a false security for a brainwahsed people in a broken nation. So yes, I could not agree with the correlation between racism and nationalism any less firmly than I stated previously. All -isms are counter productive to balance and harmony.
Nice observation, thanks for the question.
Mark Hurych
Sep 19 2012: Nationalism, compared to strict ego-centrism, is an improvement. Anything that expands the horizon of the limits of the group you call "us" is good. But yes, we have reached the point where we have to care about the large human community of the whole planet in order to get our species act together and take care of business.
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See Jeremy Rifkin's "Empathic Civilization" and many others to expand this approach and scale it up to global proportions. Bucky Fuller was there. Nelson Mandela was there. I like the "Stage 5 Tribe" described by David Logan and others.
I like the image of the swarm or murmuration, as in
-a reaction to the 2009 Copenhagen summit.
Sep 19 2012: There is defnintly more empathy in a system of world governance, as its built on the inherit equality and worth of human beings. As of today it is expected that Indians and Chinese should have a smaller voice and global role than civilizations far smaller and with less population. How does this occur? Through the nationalist inflation of human life. In which people are only as good as their nation is powerful.
Mark Hurych
Sep 24 2012: Hey Levi
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Point taken; however I want to reexamine our direction. It might be that civilization, in all its positive connotations, may not be the same thing as governance, which seems to be more about political traditions than cultural by usual context. Paradigms of many species of power are shifting as I speak.
Trust is and always will be an issue and one of the central points of contention may be that many established leaders cannot seem to let go of warfare as a tool of change. Corporations and institutions have got to allow people at large to be engaged with the stewardship of our planet.
Real bonds between humans are key for the larger good. Compassion and empathy must be involved in future paradigms. Get all people to share the planet; that's the hard part. Finding ways to do it is relatively easy.
shawn disney
Sep 19 2012: Nationalism is simply an obselete idea, much as Feudalism is. Not that it never had value, or that it has no good qualities..The experiences of the last few centureies has given us a good sense of just how unstable and uncivilised an idea it is: It has justified incredible atrocities , killed millions of people for vague reasons, all based on the premise that there can be no Law higher than Patriotism, which usually comes down to Might makes Right., and certainly has not the sllightest regard for human beings, except "Members" of the Nation. But this is exactly it's weakest point: just who constitutes the "Nation", anyway? Minorities usally don't count. Like the Irish in Britain, or Moslems in Serbia. Originally,as a historical process, the "Nation" was sort of self defined, like the formation of France at the time of Joan of Arc. But often as nations became successful, other groups were incorporated, someitmes by force, sometimes more or less voluntarily. First thing you know, you have an "Empire", no longer an Ethnic or cultural unit. That is what is happening to the US right now. No longer a bunch of WASPs.We should not mourn the end of Nationalism, we should just move on. Over time, human groups who feel "related" have grown larger and larger. And there is a tendency to create legal protections for ordinary life, so as to avoid violent conflicts.. This has been done quite successfully up to the very large City level. Citydwellers do not believe that "wars" would settle problems within their cities.; But iInternationally, it's completely different: Wars can be devastating and frequent, and the usual reason given: "We had no alternative". Indeed so. But it is just this instability that dooms Nations; they have no way to solve prolblems fairly, in the absence of a system of World Law. There is no such thing as "International Law" at present, meaning Rules that all nations follow , subject to penalties.
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Sep 19 2012: Very true, I like the 'no law higher than Patriotism' line, it encapsulates how nationalists see the international stage.
There are no systems of world law, but there can be - with enough sweat.
John Smith
Sep 14 2012: Patriotism implies nationalism: a patriot would fight for his country against another country even if that other country is morally superior so you can't be a patriot without being a nationalist.
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Sep 14 2012: I for one, consider all countries that are not Western style liberal democracies to be completely illegitimate. So yes, patriotism for a country which does not respect our fundamental enlightenment values is essentially misplaced.
Then again, nothing is black and white. Is the US reluctance to use proportional representation mean that the country is a tyrannical dictatorship?
On the individual level however, it is still logical, desirable even, for people to sympathize for a country which guarantees their rights, to which they pay taxes, and which is constituted by citizens they identify with. If said country does not guarantee their citizenship a certain set of rights, or fails to uphold the law, then the whole point of the social contract is practically moot.
That does not mean that pride and commitment to a country which succeeds in doing this is misplaced - I find it necessary, and positive.
"True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else."
- Clarence Darrow
Sep 14 2012: "On the individual level however, it is still logical, desirable even, for people to sympathize for a country which guarantees their rights, to which they pay taxes, and which is constituted by citizens they identify with."
Of course, but it stops being so clear cut when two countries who fit your description go to war, which was the situation I was talking about, let alone when the "enemy" country is superior. Would an American patriot refuse to fight against a country which ensures its citizens all the same rights as the US, but with the addition of a national popular vote and more rights for gay people?Sep 15 2012: I'm am for sake of convenience going to ignore how bigoted 'I for one, consider all countries that are not Western style liberal democracies to be completely illegitimate' sounds, and focus on the point the that by your own standards (successful western nation states) only 17 percent of the world would get a passing grade. Which means nation-states are by large and wide failures, why should the worlds people insist on using a model which doesn't work? The world has problems, and we need solutions. Nationalism has been tried, and it has failed to deliver results. I do not favour clinging to models, when they have been disproved.
Pushing nationalist sentiment on people who've been at the receiving end of its discrimination, who's lives have been marred by crooked national leaders, and both exclusive and aggressive ethnic and social nationalism, is far more unnatural than asking them to liken to 'pan-human' feelings. Nationalism has made millions of refugees, two world wars, and genocides in every continent - it has far more opposition than universal humanist sentiment. It merely lacks a public theatre.
The optimism in nationalism was better reserved for the 17th century, before people could look at a map of the world, completely dominated by nation-states and realize, nothing has changed.
Nationalism will not stop or even competently handle a global epidemic of aids, war, halt poverty, or global warming - the 20th century is proof of this, as it saw the rise of each - the challenges of our time. Thus it shouldn't be our choice.
Sep 15 2012: From my geographical point of existence,75% of the planets problems come from the northern hemisphere,you want to rescue the planet? then ask those that humans deem less to suicide for the sake of the race,if this is abhorrent then ask anyone about resource management,at the back of every humans mind lurks that monster,it's genetic,we are predicated towards self preservation and gene disemination,get past this then the wonder and joy will pass but it will never go away,it will always be there and eventually the machine will reflect it in it's product.
I like what you say,when are you going to run for Prime minister?Sep 16 2012: To Ken, '75% of the planets problems come from the northern hemisphere' I don't even know how you'd beginning calculating that, 75% of AIDs doesn't exist in the northern hemisphere, for that matter neither does 75% of gender inequality or numerous other issues. Pollution isn't the best indicator for all social issues.
Nothing lurks anywhere, there's no dark self that's likely a belief influenced by Christian mythology. Whatever this 'monster' is it certainty isn't genetic, making mistakes doesn't make you a beast, it just makes you wrong. There isn't suffering because the world is led by monsters, its led by people who are incompetent, mainly because their philosophies, methods and habits are to disregard most peoples opinions and help, instead of adding upon them.
Miguel PEZ
Sep 7 2012: Nationalism is today for stone age humans.
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The universe has opened to us. To think of nationalism as a necessity is like living in the past, living in isolation from human advances, being short sighted or simply stupid. We are all in this little spec of star dust together and our destiny is the same, no matter what part of the planet you come from or even if you are human, animal or otherwise.
Sep 9 2012: Good point! It's nice to hear a view that doesn't assume nationalism is correct from the first seconds.Sep 6 2012: You look out for those that mean something to you, that are linked to you.
I look out for my family, my friends and my general community if I can. That community then extends further upwards to government level.
If I had a choice between assigning a coal deposit to my country, or another one that would benefit equally from it, I would choose my own country, as what I care about is in that country. That's nationalism essentially. I prefer my country, my community, over others. Not because I dislike the other countries or communities but because I care less about them.
When that coal deposit, and the benefiting equally parts start to change then you worry really. Then the character of the voters come into play and based on current trends, the West looks out for itself at all costs, with a little aid given to assuage the guilt.
Is it wrong to look out for the place that you care about though?
Sep 7 2012: Hello, thanks for taking the time to post on this conversation. I wish you'd taken a bit more time however and read through more of the responses of people on it.
Nobody said they dont care about their family, friends or general immediate community. It's a false choice and a inapporporiate straw man argument to invent the assumption that in order to work globally or have a global identity, you must forfeit and deprioritize your family, friends and community. Nobody would do this, nobody has ever asked for this.
The wrongful assumption is that in order for one community to benefit another must suffer. This is the basis of nationalism, a harsh zero sum mentality, that assumes anything foreign to itself or new should be distrusted and dehumanized, this behaviour should not be projected onto other systems of belief. A example of this is the globalist party of Universalists who's slogan is, self, family, and humanity - why? Because its possible to serve each without inventing a problem, that only one can benefit.
This is the age of mutual benefit, humanity doesn't benefit from the neglect of a family, a community, or an individual - no amount of wrongful assumptions will change that. It's completely possible to help a local community as well as the global community, as it often takes the exact same thing - which is why many problems are often global. You'll find you have little to fear from a cause who looks out for everybody, equally, and there is nothing wrong about that.
As a general rule, assume the other people are human. I assume you have decent motivations, assume the same. Assumptions of neglect of family, friends, and community does not befit this however, I understand this may not be what you intended.
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Sep 6 2012: We're human,we need anchor points and where you are born is the first point,as time moves on you may move around but eventually you find a place and settle down and merge with the local environment.human nature,if the human race was constantly on the move we would probably turn the planet into Mars tomorrow.
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Sep 7 2012: Where you choose to live should not determine your identity, you should be human first and whatever local identity second. I think its best, for example just because you move from Boston to Tokyo doesn't mean suddenly you have to espouse the Japanese local political view. This wouldn't be a radical assumption based on your statement, unless you where assuming people never leave their country when they find 'anchor points', as to my knowledge many often do.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again to this end. You can simultaneously be local and global, there is no distinction, being globalist doesn't require an out-of-body experience, although to many it seems foreign enough at the moment to appear to. Often supranational thinkers are much better at defending whatever community they are in, because they engage without the preconception their identities will clash.
To have a global identity, one doesn't need to abandon the local, but merely loose or question local preconceptions and work with others without them.Sep 6 2012: I think nationalism is linked to our capacity of organization. We started grouping in tribes, and as our intelligence and tech grew we became able to organize in bigger communities.
I think the internet became the seed of the next challenge, may be the final frontier, a global community which gives the same value to a any human being whatever his birth place may be. Its clear that if this happen it will take a few centuries.
However the are projects such as ours called Global Opinion Force at www.gof.do which is aware of this concepts and offers tiny steps to reach the sense of a global community.
I think a clever perspective for the futre is to think of ourselves as HUMANS FIRST, CITIZENS SECOND.Sep 6 2012: Nationalism concentrates all the worst impulses of humanity into a single backwards doctrine. While it may have had its uses rooting out the edifices of feudalism, it is essentially an ethic for which the 21st century has no use and as a consequence it must be relegated to the history books just like feudalism.
What we need now is a anti-nationalist, cosmopolitan, monolithic, supranationalist, humanitarian, universalist, global culture that can motivate the creation of new global institutions capable of representing humanity above all nations.
GLOBAL CITIZEN 4 LIFE.Sep 5 2012: Nationalism should be practiced like team sports. I like the Dodgers, they are my local team, I spend my money there when I feel like going to the ballpark. I don't like the Giants... No one has to die over it... but aside from that, I believe a sense of healthy competition keeps us sharp.
Sep 6 2012: Yeah that's not what many experience as reality, nationalism is not like football or tennis. People die in large, large, nearly unimaginable numbers for it, and I believe it deserves deeper and longer thought on whether it is necessary at all.
World War 1 and 2, would you consider this healthy competition? Was the United Nations very conception not an acknowledgement on behalf of all the world governments that nationalism unchecked would run astray and cause great violence.
The best thing is to stand for one another, not compete and utilize poverty and suffering of others to expand on your own well-being. The age of zero-sum mentalities is on the decline.
P.S. I 'm sure your own personal views are quite tolerant but the ideas you support cause many problems beyond your comparatively fantastically safe and stable country (yes I know there's high murder rates and prisons are full), and since these ideas have global applications you must be responsible to their global implications. Nationalisms true meaning cannot be seen from a case study of one country - but by measure of its interactions with others, for that's when its darker elements come out. All countries have two faces, the one they show locals and the one they show foreigners, aka America in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan probably dont feel like their cultures are being validated.
Sep 6 2012: I'm talking about the future of nationalism, not it's past. America has the most powerful army in the world, and we are painfully nationalist... How many nations have we conquered during our 60 years of dominance?
A few islands we treated pretty horribly. We got involved in a few scirmishes that wrere none of our business... but... be honest... In the history of human empires of our wealth and military might, name one power, which took less territory at the height of it's power...
We're the worst form of government which ever existed... Except of course, for every other form of governance humanity has yet tried : p
National pride keeps you sharp, and you should be proud to be British as well. Especially when making purchasing decisions, you should focus on your local economy, to raise workers standards of living, and improve the lives of your neighbors... It's just common sense, the imaginary, nonsense faith, we place in our own local economy, increases its value, in a faith based economy. Everyone should have local pride... That is my opinion though, I could be wrong.
Sep 6 2012: I find peoples political beliefs are often contrary or hypocritical to the values the actually hold dear. Simply because people spend most of their time developing their own relationship to the world and much less time considering others.
So I read your profile, it says world-traveller (surprising), someone who cares about gender neutral parent incomes and human dignity.
Based on the little I get from how you describe yourself, I'm guessing your somebody who doesn't like assigning labels to somebody, then mistreating them because of it. But that's exactly what your doing when you practice nationalism, you only need to realize it.Sep 6 2012: P.S. Last time I checked eliminating a generation of Vietnamese males and embargoing Cuba into the ground, carpet bombing of Lao, the routine assassination of South American leaders, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq coupled with the nuclear annihilation of cities in Japan was much more than a few Islands.
Also china... China at the height of its power expanded very little beyond its present borders for thousands of years, and ruled in a time when the west was little more than tribes wandering the woods.Sep 6 2012: "I'm guessing your somebody who doesn't like assigning labels to somebody, then mistreating them because of it. But that's exactly what your doing when you practice nationalism"
Not at all. When I practice nationalism I simply engage in pride that I live in the most diverse, and creative empire in human history. I strive to improve my nation, and return it to its senses. If I had no sense of national pride, I would not care that my country has gone off the rails in recent years. Since I love my country, and respect what people suffered through to create it, I strive to make it better.... That is all my nationalism does.
China had issues with legal slavery until 1905 btw... and were very racist, admittedly justifiably, against the Japanese. No ones hands are clean. Let he who is without yada, yada yada : p
Also, I just have to mention this... For all the travel Europeans do... You seem to have no realistic concept of how white and homogenous you all are... At least, the 10 countries I've been to... and that was in tourist cities... The concept that Europe is diverse, can only be entertained by a European.
Sep 6 2012: I would say that Europe is diverse because it happens to be a continent encompassing many different countries with different languages, histories, and traditions. As such, the idea that it isn't can only be entertained by the ignorant.
Let's ignore your offensive comment that all of Europe is "white" for a moment and focus on your underlying assumption that diversity comes from the color of people's skin. I would say that is a pretty problematic criteria because skin color does not reflect life experience or personal character and therein lies the problem with nationalist logic that says humanity can be conveniently categorized like insects into prepackaged, one-dimensional categories.
And yes, if you make statements like "I am from the greatest country in the world" you are implicitly making a judgement about the inferiority of other countries. There is nothing wrong with celebrating one's culture but that does not necessarily mean that you have to make normative judgements about it being better than others.Sep 6 2012: To David,
You have stated you don't like to stereotype people by nationality. Interesting notion.
I imagine thus far you have been narrating my comments in your head with a British accent, seeing as you've told me to be proud of the fact I'm British. The truth is the reason it says United Kingdom under my name is that's where I went to university, its my biggest network of friends and contacts and is relevant for business - I am not British, I can't even fake a British accent.
I've neglected correcting this because thus far I have hoped to convince you with the power and content of my ideas, but I see that it requires a more personal demonstration.
I'll pause, while you struggle to find me a new label - I am rather rebellious perhaps I'm Palestinian, then again I do look rather Mediterranean perhaps I'm Italian or Greek, or maybe something exotic like South African. Personally I've always wondered what I'd sound like with a Rastafarian accent. People get wrongful perceptions about people all the time based on nationality, and its not okay - that's the theme of the original question.
Anyway, have fun allotting me to my new category. Just don't expect it to affect my actions, thoughts, or beliefs.Sep 6 2012: Didn't say greatest... Most diverse, and creative, so far. I think those two things are linked, that was why Rome was good for awhile, it accepted everyone. Also we have the best military, but personally I'm not proud of that, it should shrink. China has been doing better in the last decade honestly, but Nikola Tesla invented more of the devices you use, than most countries.
I didn't mean white to just mean white... What I meant, is that in Paris, you meet white people from Paris. In Rome, you meet Italians, from Rome. In Athens, you meet Greek people, from Athens. It's not a diverse culture internally... The continent as a whole is diverse, but you don't have a uniform government.
In Los Angeles, you meet Greek people from Athens, and white people from Paris, and Italian people from Rome, and Africans, born in Africa, and 4th generation latino Americans, and Cuban refugees... You can't walk down the street without seeing people from all over the world. Europe is not like that, each city is very homogenous.
Sep 6 2012: As somebody born in Europe and somebody who has spent extended periods of time living, working and studying in those cities you dismiss as being "homogenous" I have nothing else to say other than you don't know what you're talking about.
And what you qualify your claim that America is more diverse than the entire continent of Europe with, anecdotal personal experiences about meeting people from random countries in LA, can easily be matched by anybody who has lived in a major European city.
Try telling European cities are homogenous to the 1 in 3 foreign born inhabitants of London from such countries as India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Poland, and Jamaica and the millions more who come from other areas of the United Kingdom.
Try telling European cities are homogenous to the 19% of people (1 in 5) who live in Paris that were actually born there.
Try telling European cities are homogenous to the population of Vienna, 40% of which were not even born in Austria.
Even though I disagree with with your comments, thank you for illustrating how nationalism can make one resort to wild unsubstantiated claims to validate a quality of their particular locale.Sep 6 2012: In Los Angeles... Almost 50% of the population is from the continent of Europe... Is that a demographic?
Again, you just don't even realize how different it is.


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That's where I'm at. I can't get into X3 because of the occasionally extremely stupid AI. I'd guess X: Rebirth (being on a new engine instead of the same one they've used for ages) will be more intelligent, but we'll see....meanwhile, can't wait for this...despite the name.
So will this have the simplicity of Freelancer or will it be more like X2/3 etc?
There is still nothing IMO that beats Freelancer. I played Freelancer again a few months ago and boy its still good.
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Is Star Citizen an MMO?
No! Star Citizen will take the best of all possible worlds, ranging from a permanent, persistent world similar to those found in MMOs to an offline, single player campaign like those found in the Wing Commander series. The game will include the option for private servers, like Freelancer, and will offer plenty of opportunities for players who are interested in modding the content. Unlike many games, none of these aspects is an afterthought: they all combine to form the core of the Star Citizen experience.
How will modding work?
Players will be given full control of their game! When operating private servers, players will be able and encouraged to mod the game. It doesn't stop there, though: we hope to institute a 'mod approval' process that will allow the best of the best player created ships and other additions to be integrated into the central persistent world as well.
Is Star Citizen "free to play"? A subscription game?
To play Star Citizen you need only to buy the initial game. There will never be a monthly charge for usage. Some in-game items may be available as microtransactions, but we will NEVER sell anything that can't be acquired through honest (and fun!) gameplay.
Can you estimate the system requirements for Star Citizen?
There will be a lot of optimization in the next 24-months, plus the usual fast pace of technology, so it is hard to say absolutely. At the moment you will be able to play it on a 4GB dual core PC with a GTX 460 or greater, but not with full fidelity. If you're running an i7 2500, 2600, 2700 or better with a GTX 670 or greater you will get the full experience and we will only scale up from there. You will need a dedicated GPU. Since the game is built on CryEngine, their system requirements will stay roughly the same as ours.

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Glover does have the chance of putting Jones out but I got two words for you "Greg Jackson". Jones will not exchange with Glover, he will just keep him at distance with those "oblique" and front kicks. The moment Glover starts overcommitting to his strikes.... BOOM takedown, all Jones need is one good elbow to mess anybody's face up (look at Machida).
Im not a Jones fan at all but simply the Glover that fought yesterday will be embarrassed if they fought. Glover's really gonna have his work cut out for him to prepare for that fight.
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We've all seen Point Break, the night surfing, the excitement Keanu enjoys going out with Patrick Swayze, but they didn't have anything on this.
To mark the start of summer, Strongbow in a marketing stunt joined forces with surfing filmmaker Jack McCoy (Endless Summer II), Bali Strickland and Eugene Tan (Aquabumps) to capture Australia's largest glow in the dark surf attempt at Bondi Beach.
Basically Tron on surf boards.
The effect, shot in the early hours of the first day of summer looks incredibly futuristic even though in reality it is just a couple of dudes and dudettes with some glow in the dark strips stuck to their wetsuits and boards.
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Y'know, I always thought that bit was a parody of a scene from "The General" episode of "The Prisoner," when No. 6 asks the same written question to the General, one of those classic 1960's blinking lights computers, and the machine self-destructs, Star Trek style because it can't answer it.
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Some youngsters want to grow up to become artists or athletes or firefighters. Some want to be doctors or dancers. Charles Walker wanted to own a supermarket.
"Ever since I can remember, I wanted my own grocery store," he said over lunch on a quiet afternoon in snowbound Detroit last year. To Walker, "grocery store" meant a gleaming, well-run supermarket, not necessarily huge but well stocked and scrupulously clean, with fresh meats and produce and first-class customer service.
"I had retail in my blood," he told me. "I grew up here in Detroit, but I had a grandmother we used to visit in Alabama, and she had a store that sold cookies and candies, and she had a pop machine. That all seemed pretty cool to a little kid. And the people my mother worked for owned a meat market. That was their life. As I got older, going to high school and college, I worked there in the summers. That appealed to me, too, and they seemed to be making a good living. I thought that I could do something on a larger scale, and I really wanted to."
The upside of this story is that Charles Walker, a black kid from a rough-and-tumble neighborhood in Detroit, realized his dream. It took a long time, but after years of working and prudent money management, after stints as a manager for CVS stores and a market called Metro Foodland, he was able to put together a deal, with help from relatives and a handful of outside investors, for a market that was part of the discount Sav-A-Lot chain. At age 47, the happily married father of three grown children had his supermarket.
That was in 2004. Detroit was in the midst of yet another comeback scenario, but decent food stores were rare, and black-owned markets, even rarer. Walker's store was one of only two black-owned supermarkets in the entire city.
He did well for a while, bringing in $100,000 a week and employing a staff of 20. The store was a gleaming marvel in a neighborhood that was struggling but seemed to be improving. Then, as Walker put it, "the economy changed."
Not nearly enough attention has been paid to the damage that the continuing Great Recession has done to black Americans. It's true that jobs and homes were lost across a wide expanse of ethnic and income groups. It's true that white businesses as well as black-owned firms have failed. But African American communities were particularly vulnerable, and the downturn swept through them like an invading army, destroying wealth that had been painstakingly accumulated over decades and, in some cases, generations.
Cornerstone institutions like minority-owned banks and black churches are being hammered, according to Deborah Wright, president of Carver Bancorp in New York, the largest black-run bank in the country. Some banks have already gone under, and others are in bad shape. Carver handles financing for a large number of black churches, and Wright says, "For the first time since I've been in this field, I'm seeing churches fail. That is very, very unusual. It speaks to the distress that their parishioners are under."
The Pew Research Center reported last summer that the median wealth of white households in the wake of the recession was an astonishing 20 times that of black households. The black unemployment rate at the end of last year was close to 16 percent, comparable to the average national unemployment rate during some years of the Great Depression. But even 16 percent does not begin to capture the horror of unemployment in black America. The hardest of the hard-core unemployed are not even included in the official government statistics. I've been to neighborhoods in Boston; Chicago; Detroit; Camden, New Jersey; and other cities in which the majority, sometimes the vast majority, of the working-age population is jobless. Forget the smiling faces on television citing the latest hopeful economic statistics. Forget the assurances of self-styled black intellectuals that we are in some sort of marvelous post-racial era in which anybody can realize his or her dreams. The black community is shouldering its way through an economic calamity. More than a quarter of all black Americans are poor, as are more than a third of all black children. Doors of economic opportunity—in the workforce, in access to higher education, and elsewhere—are slamming shut at a breathtaking rate.
For many small African American businesses, and for countless entrepreneurs like Charles Walker, the downturn has been ruinous. The inevitable reduction in demand from a customer base struggling disproportionately with joblessness and the home-foreclosure crisis came at the same time as a drastic curtailment in access to capital for most small businesses. For black businesses, already chronically undercapitalized, the one-two punch was often fatal.
Small businesses generally get started and survive their early stages with capital drawn from the personal assets—mainly savings and real estate—of the business owners, their relatives, and friends. Home equity is a common source of collateral for small-business loans. With substantially lower levels of wealth and homeownership to begin with, blacks have a much harder time putting together start-up capital, and they find it more difficult to hang on during rough patches in the economy. The Great Recession was much worse than anyone's idea of a rough patch.
David Beck of Self-Help, a nonprofit lender that has concentrated on minority businesses, told me: "With this financial crisis, the amount of equity wiped out in minority communities is just jaw-dropping, and that is devastating to small businesses. Once that home-equity collateral is wiped away, it's really hard to find anything to replace it with."
The ferocity of the recession has made it difficult in some cases for sympathetic lenders—black or white—to stay in business. The most dramatic example was the fall of ShoreBank in Chicago, which pioneered the concept of a community--oriented bank that would provide capital to establish and help sustain minority--owned firms. ShoreBank made more than $4 billion in investments and was responsible for the rehabilitation of tens of thousands of units of affordable housing. One of ShoreBank's clients was Charles Walker. "I was actually one of their bigger projects in Detroit," he said. But the Great Recession destroyed the dreams of both. ShoreBank closed its doors on August 20, 2010.
It was inevitable, as the recession and its dismal aftermath persisted, that black businesses would fold at a higher rate than normal, and at a higher rate than white-owned businesses. Official statistics are difficult to come by, but the hard evidence of shuttered shops, restaurants, and offices can be viewed in neighborhoods across the country. Black-owned auto dealerships have taken a terrible hit. By mid-2011, according to Automotive News, there were just 261 black-owned dealerships in the U.S., half as many as three years earlier. White-owned dealerships suffered a decline of 18 percent over the same period.
At the same time that this carnage in existing businesses was occurring, African Americans who lost jobs in the recession and were desperate for work began trying to start businesses of their own. Their goal was to create a job for themselves. Few winners are expected to emerge from that effort. The newcomers have tended to lack business experience as well as capital, and few mainstream lenders have been willing to help.
When the recession struck, Charles Walker had already poured all of his modest personal wealth into his Sav-A-Lot market. "It was difficult even before the recession," he said. "But I've always been a hard worker, and I was doing OK for a while—I'd say for about three years. When I first opened up, they were building houses in the neighborhood. As the economy changed, they stopped building houses. People started to leave the neighborhood. Those were my customers. A Chrysler plant that was nearby shut down one of its shifts. It was rough. I thought the economy would start to turn around at some point in time, but it never did."
"As everything started closing down all around me," he continued, "I started to feel like I was on this island all by myself. I was struggling, taking from Peter to pay Paul, and that was the start of the downward spiral. I went to my investors and asked them to put up additional funds—you know, ante up some more to try and keep us going. And they did. I did get some more money from the bank. And I went to Sav-A-Lot and asked them to give me different terms. They worked with me. But you can't keep borrowing money. I couldn't see my way out, so I had to make the tough decision."
I rode with Walker from the restaurant where we'd had lunch to the large parking lot outside his supermarket, which had already been shut down. We walked through the snow to the front of the store, and he unlocked the doors to what had once been his dream. With the flick of a switch, the store filled with light. It was still scrupulously clean, but the shelves were empty and the registers were gone. The heat had been turned way down, so it was cold. Walker gave me a tour, telling me in detail of the way things once had been.
It's a mistake to think there was much of a flourishing black business sector even before the recession. Walker's supermarket, which probably would have survived and might have thrived if the economy had held, was unusual. More than 90 percent of black-owned businesses are one-person affairs—the owner is the only employee.
Small businesses in general tend to be undercapitalized and lack such fundamental resources as finance and marketing experts. Black firms are even less likely to have that kind of expertise within reach. According to the Association for Enterprise Opportunity, which specializes in the development of microenterprises, less than 5 percent of all firms in the U.S. generate annual sales of a million dollars or more. For black firms, it's less than 1 percent.
Proponents of black business development make a persistent effort to cast the best possible light on a bleak environment. ShoreBank, as good a friend as small black enterprises have ever had, found only a few sectors in which such firms could thrive. Most were retail or service start-ups with little hope of succeeding. Few were in bolder enterprises like manufacturing, wholesaling, or distribution. The quality of most businesses that applied for loans was poor.
ShoreBank found some success financing minority-owned franchises of large national organizations like McDonald's, which offered its franchisees high-level corporate support in such areas as cost control, marketing, and mass advertising. The bank had great success supporting businesses that purchased and rehabilitated rental properties—as long as the housing market held up. Other types of enterprises did not do well.
The cold truth is that the chances for success are extremely slim for aspiring black entrepreneurs in an environment in which unemployment is chronically high, inequality of wealth and income is off the charts, and capital of any sort is hard to come by. There is also the continuing problem of racial discrimination. Studies have consistently shown that black-owned firms experience higher rates of loan denial and pay interest at higher rates than white-owned businesses, even after credit worthiness and other factors are taken into account.
The scale of the problem is huge, and the resources of those trying to deal with it are, by comparison, minuscule. Hundreds of nonprofits, credit unions, and community-development financial institutions are trying to fill the breach. But black businesses will never thrive if they have to rely primarily on a customer base that is depressed economically, isolated socially, and the target of persistent racial discrimination.
Deborah Wright made it clear that even Carver Bancorp, established in the 1940s, is not immune. When I asked about its outlook, she said: "The jury is still out. We're going to fight to the end, but it's a hard nut. It really is."
It is futile to view the desperate struggle of African American businesses outside the context of two overwhelming imperatives: the obligation of the United States to figure out how to put its population to work in jobs that will support families and sustain a world-class economy; and the parallel obligation, perpetually avoided, to bring black Americans and all of their talent and energy fully into the fold of the wider society.
James Baldwin warned of the fire next time. Failure to face up to those two imperatives will lead ultimately to the failure not just of black-owned business enterprises but the failure of American society itself.
Mon, 2012-03-12 16:52
Mr. Herbert makes some very valid points about the deteriorating economic prospects (and Detroit is an exceptional example of this). And while there should be little disagreement about "a customer base that is depressed economically", I wonder if "isolated socially, and the target of persistent racial discrimination" might be just a bit of an exaggeration for effect. I, for one, would like to see objective substantiation for these charges.
I'd also like to see the disappearance of comments like the one above (15:57) along with the mentality that could even conceive of posting such words in a forum like this.
Mon, 2012-03-12 17:09
So what? Herbert has pushed Obama to the hilt. Now, he's crying because blacks have been hurt by his policies? Fact is, blacks still support Obama by over 90%. Don't cry to me! You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Blacks (and whites and anyone else) who support Obama and his big government spending deserve every single bad thing that happens to them. I'll save my concern for anyone who is suffering and has voted against the socialists.
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Mon, 2012-03-12 20:03
"The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!"
Sooner or later reality catches up - so until you want to deal with reality, it's not really worth complaining about. I feel for Walker - he sounds like a hard worker. But the largest sources of his economic problems lie in DC and black leadership and the author never gets around to that. After years of working to build themselves up many people lost their savings to a housing bubble that was designed folks in DC who thought they could demand people be given no downpayment loans and there wouldn't be any consequences. Well there are consequences. Do you still support the DC pols who forced the no-downpayment loans? Then I don't want to hear about it. Yes, there are other bad actors in the economic mess, but you have a direct vote about the ones in DC, so if your going to ignore what you have direct control over, I don't want to listen to whining about what you don't have direct control over.
Racism is horrible, but I'll tell you why I don't care. I refuse to be distracted by a pimple when someone is bleeding from an artery. If you face the data it tells you the differences between the socioeconomic condition of blacks and whites is 99.9% things like out of wedlock birth and 0.1% racism. It wasn't always like this - in the past racism was the bigger part of the problem - but now is what we need to deal with. If we don't want to face it, there's no use in complaining - and at the moment black leadership doesn't seem to want to face it. Complaining about racism is easier, but that's not what we need leaders for.
Mon, 2012-03-12 20:55
I really feel bad about the entrepreneur featured in this piece.
My only complaint is that the story is written by an Obama stooge who has zero idea what it's like to be assaulted on all sides-- state, local and Federal, by waves of regulation, taxation, oppression, ridicule, ambush and guile.
It's not hard for those blessed with memory and impartiality to see the plain disconnect of this jerk writer, running down Bush at every turn while this entrepreneur was prospering, then writing the business's obituary during the TeleprompTer reign of Zerobama and his cabal of czars and plutocrat cronies, including most specifically Little Timmy Tax Cheat Geithner.
Mon, 2012-03-12 21:25
Mon, 2012-03-12 22:46
This article contains many truths however it provides an incomplete picture. Wealth cannot be created and sustained in any group whose leaders consider wealth the result only of greed and selfishness. We shouldn't be surprised when corporate leadership lacks diversity when the the First Lady tells young people not to go into the corporate world. She certainly wasn't being malicious but such statements can have negative second and third order effects. Corporate America needs good, honest people from all backgrounds to make our nation a better place.
Mon, 2012-03-12 23:05
Herbert was the resident "racialist" at the NYT for years. Nearly everything he wrote was seen through a lens of this is good or bad for black-Americans. That is the problem, to people like Herbert America is a hyphenated land, and to most black Americans if a black man is running they will vote for him no matter how pathetic that man is, just look at how many times they voted for Marion Barry in D.C. and now, along with their new white slave-masters, the elitist Chicago liberal politicians, they have given America its first anti-American president, or maybe the first black anti-American, and now they suffer worse? Boo-freaking-hoo!
Here is just one of the famous quotes by their thrice Mayor of D.C. : "If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate."
Mon, 2012-03-12 23:46
"The Pew Research Center reported last summer that the median wealth of white households in the wake of the recession was an astonishing 20 times that of black households."
This is a troubling statement. For two reasons:
i. It clearly states HOUSEHOLD income. But it does not give any context that would help us understand if there is a corresponding gap between blacks and whites in single, non-working parent homes. Certainly, if there is a statistically signifcant difference; using HOUSEHOLD income as means to characterize disproportionate income might be intentionally misleading
ii. The choice of using the median instead of the mean as the 'barometer' for the reported disparity in household income, again, is not contextualized. There are instances where using the median is appropriate...and other times using the mean is appropriate. We have no data to contextualize which would be more appropriate here based on the distributions of income.
All in all, Herbert isn't stating a hypothesis and testing it with facts. He is creating a context to support his beliefs.
And really, that is nothing more than political campaigning.
It certainly isn't journalism or research.
Tue, 2012-03-13 00:55
Tue, 2012-03-13 01:39
Tue, 2012-03-13 05:28
The implication in this article is that the higher black unemployment is due to race. When you look at unemployment numbers relative to education levels independent to race, the correlation is undeniable. It is not racism that keep blacks from completing a HS education.
The implication in this article is that the lack of wealth in the black community is due to racism. When you look at wealth number relative to single parent homes, the correlation is undeniable. It is not racism that 72% of all black children are born to single mothers. There is no man in a white sheet forcing you to have unprotected sex.
Tue, 2012-03-13 06:59
Wealth is neither black or white, male or female. Wealth does not possess a face or a body. Wealth sometimes is not even real. Sometimes it is perceived, wrongly, to be something people possess when they do not. Wealth also is defined according to a person's values. You can lack monetary wealth but have abundant health which to some perceive as they possess wealth. Ted Kennedy might agree as he was very monetarily wealthy but not healthy, and so he expired at a relatively young age.
Others feel wealthy from the enjoyment of many friends which are not to be confused over acquaintances or business associates. Some feel wealthy due to monetary worth but find themselves alone, without anybody to confide their inner fears, secrets, or gain acceptance without condition. On occasion those that have possessed monetary wealth, only to lose it, discover they are truly destitute. Some, as time passes, discover they can't depend on people, especially in their old age where they must depend on others to maintain basic functions of their daily lives.
Sadly, for those like Mr. Herbert, who no doubt is an intelligent, learned, and articulate individual, this basic concept of wealth is lost on them. They struggle in vain to assign physical meaning to wealth only to sooner or later discover, like God, it is something that is rooted in spirituality and not some earthly being.
Tue, 2012-03-13 08:47
Society has already lost its way in these regards:
Detroit, as most American cities are the new reservations for minorities, poverty, crime, UNWED Mothers, school dropouts(76%), 50 percent illiteracy rate, corrupt unions, abortions, drugs, gangs, gangsters, guns, abyss of crime, debauchery, gun play, school truancy, car-jacking, human depravity, cronyism, incompetence, arrogance, 7 out of 10 murders remain unsolved, unemployment rate is 32.9%, and general entitlement living. They have become this way (AS WE ALL KNOW) from the liberal progressive mindset of spread the wealth. With Aid to Dependent Children, (73% Out of Wedlock) minority women birthed eight to 10, and in one case, one woman birthed 24 children and all on American taxpayer dollars.
As America looks to a future concerning cities, we best totally eliminate all unions and move to a privatization of all services through bidding contracts. Then after putting all criminals in prison with the use of the National Guard can ANY city have a chance of recovery.
Fri, 2012-06-08 19:19
Very interesting points.....This is why we have decided to live the rest of our lives helping others achieve freedom from Mental Slavery and Self-Oppression. If you want to see real change in the African American Communities across Black America please show your support by spreading the word about our Black African American Owned Business, Contractor, and Organization National Online Listing Directory. http://www.FirstBlackAmerica.com
Sat, 2014-06-14 23:10
African Americans have failed each other. "Crab in the barrel" mentality has left us fighter each other, not supporting each other and in a constant state of reaction to Caucasian racism. If we could ever come together economically, we would have a major control over how our country engages us.
Fri, 2014-11-14 00:26
If you conservatives are so down on Big Government why in the Sam Hell did your icon examples of the Capitalist myth line up under a conservative name George Bush Jr. to get handouts/Welfare Checks from this same incompetent too intrusive, Socialistic, Big Government??? How come they did not go to Donald (The Trump) or the Koch Brothers to bail their Socialism for the rich/capitalism for the poor Asses out??? Why is it that these icons of the capitalist myth did not offer any assistance on their own??? Look, here's the Deal (listen up liberal Obama and others who never have the smarts to remind the public of what I just stated or what I am about to say) If Regan's Trickle down Con job/ Hustle really worked most of us would be living on easy street by now! However, since the 80's and that last crash of 2007-08 bought to the world by conservative business deregulation (let big business do their thing) that is not the case! So now that you have control of both houses go back and F the economy up even more than you did with you own homeboy Bush Jr. so this time you can cause a worldwide economic collapse worst than the one we had in 1929. Those who decided to put in office even more of the type of knucklehead corporate anarchist minded thugs who F up the economy before Obama got in (and whimped out on throwing their butt' in jail) will have no one but your backward thinking reactionary selves to blame, not the Too Big Government!!!
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Since I've been doing the haikus I have received many written by readers who wanted to share their haiku skills with me. I often find myself humbled and realizing I'm not that great at them. Below are some of the best others have shared with me.
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Neowin is in every sense of the word a 2 way street, the visitors ensure we can stay online by visiting and letting the ads display (ad blockers are detected by our publishers and we DON'T get paid for blocked ads) and it's our duty to invest the revenue back into the site as we've been doing for the past 3 or 4 years, which has in turn offered stability far beyond anything we had before 2005.
It's the most basic economics and people who reckon we'll do OK without the ads are living in a dreamworld.
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