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1. Anderson Silva over Vitor Belfort (UFC 126)
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- Jean-Daniel Cusin
- North Saanich
- Canada
This conversation is closed.
Reinventing government - what would it look like?
If we were to start from scratch and invent a new model of national governance using current available technology and possibilities - what would that look like?
What criteria would be used to evaluate what a good model of governance looks like? I think a basic premise would be that those affected by decisions must have the means to weigh in on them and that the governance measures must be provably sustainable - other thoughts?
Apr 20 2011: No-one wants to hear it, but Global Democratic processes would go a long way. Yes, I am suggesting Global Government.
Our economic order is already Global, it is only fitting that politic would/should follow. Most problems today: Environmental, Third World Poverty, First World recession, etc. . . are from the fact that corporations are global and can thus manipulate local policies to their best advantage. Local regulation is powerless in a global economic order.
Imagine, a world in which every human was counted as politically relevant and was guaranteed equal human rights. The modern project of DEMOCRACY is not ending, it is only just beginning.
Apr 20 2011: Matthew..Iinsightful and unavoidably..wonderfully true..we are a global community and we .we need to rethink modern democracy from scratch in light of that..taking account of that... the global orbnaizations we have now are patch work piece meal and not a "whole" in concept or function..so what ould the golboal democratic congress look like? what would the consitution for such a global democratic conference look like? can it be structured to accomodate non-democratic nations? what should a modern democratic nation look like as a member if a global community.?
Apr 20 2011: Those are the real questions that need to be answered and I think discussions need to take place concerning them moving forward. I think the project started by our founding fathers still provides a very good framework for us moving forward. In fact, I would argue that their ideas were not only revolutionary for their time but are still revolutionary for our time.
Today, there is hope in that many peoples around the world yearn for democracy (even though we still have not fully worked out what that means). I think some level of local sovereignty and respect for local culture needs to be built in (similar to state vs. federal rights). As far as a global framework, I think it would need to be very abstract, allowing for many different cultures but championing none over the other. A global constitution based on natural human rights would be a start. Exactly what is considered a natural right would be up for debate. I would include life and liberty, maybe pursuit of happiness. But, would private property count? IDK I think there are good arguments for and against private property as a natural right. It would need to be secular and embrace freedom of religion with absolutely NO Laws based solely on a religious morality. This does not mean there would be no morality, just an abstract framework based on how a persons' actions affects another person or society itself.
On a side note. I love the talk on technology and its impact in all of this. I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg concerning the use of technology to help create organic global democratic processes.
Apr 20 2011: inspired by your comments and our exchange..I posted a TED IDEA this morning , Foundations For A Global Democracy. It solicits collective wisdom on the foundation principles that define us as a defacto global community. I learned after our exchange, and after posting it that there actuallywas a group on international thinkers who tried in the mid-90's to build support for their "Charter For A Global Democracy" which invisioned stretching the U.N. to include thiese functions of Global Governnance. Becuase it sought actual world Governance, rather than a voluntary World Treaty, it was rejected as a threat to national soverignty. Such a charter or.."global declaration" could work like the sullivan pirnciples did..just buuilding worldwide support for the principles and urging actions in support ( not buying afrcan gold or diamonds etc.) Much more complex when it is not one country , one issue but now we have the internet which makes it poossible to handle more complexity and also to spread ideas more quickly.Apr 19 2011: Simplify the laws. Make sure they are enforced. Simplify taxation. Make sure every cent collected is transparent (where it came from , how it got spent, who is responsible). Give people more power to choose what they want or do not want using online voting. People might say its a lot more complicated than that. I say, does it really have to be?
Jonas Saxvik
Apr 17 2011: Although it is not a solution for a whole system of governance, I am a strong believer in issue based public participation. To gather all people affected and involved in a given issue, and have it discussed in a structured way and scrutinized by everyone. A combination of these two concepts would be a powerful mix
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With the opportunities inherent in the internet today for making people connect and collaborate, such a mix would be incredibly powerful - especially if the whole process was completely transparent and open.
y yolanda
Apr 24 2011: People all over the world want an end to slavery. People all over the world want an end to fighting. People all over the world want an end to starvation. People all over the world want an end to homelessness. People all over the world, in every country, want peace, harmony and community. People all over the world have wanted these since the beginning of time. Who doesn't want these things?
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Politicians. Religions and religious leaders and followers. Governments. Corporations. Lawyers. These people have never, ever, solved human problems. In fact, they work to cause them and keep them alive for the profits they gain from them and the increasing power and control they have over us.
They will tell you that another country is evil, wants to destroy you, take what you have, but that is the multiple leaderships in America, and other countries, using lies, fear and brainwashing techniques. It takes 2 years to brainwash a human being using all the controlled medias and other forms. How long have you been listening to this stuff?
Only people have solved our human problems, mostly without money, because they always leave it for us to solve on our own and without the money to do so. We clean it up.
So, if they don't solve our problems, they are irrelevant to all our lives and we should get rid of what is not relevant to our lives and solving our problems, WHICH WE REALLY NEED AND WANT SOLVED!
They want the populace to believe they need them when it is the other way around. They need us and we don't need them.
"They are afraid of the old for their memory, they are afraid of the young for their innocence, they are afraid of the graves of their victims in faraway places, they are afraid of history. They are afraid of freedom. They are afraid of truth. They are afraid of democracy.So why the hell are we afraid of them? ... For they are afraid of us/US." -- Czech Group Plastic People of the Universe, Prague 1968Apr 23 2011: Give better education basic standard of private school education for all. Tear away the classes in society and thirdly stop double speak and propaganda.
oh and i nearly forgot minimum food sustenance and housing for all.
Rinze Klein
Apr 19 2011: Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government there is except for all those forms we've tried from time to time.
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Democracy is not a finished product, the ones whom govern should be thinking of ways not how to Govern but how to bring balance, fare trade, peace not war, health and EDUCATION.
Fight fright and in brace our unlimited lives on earth, together.
Regards RinzeApr 15 2011: If we were to start from scratch and invent a new model of national governance using current available technology and possibilities.
The first characteristic would be its deep sense of UNITY. Officially there wouldn't be a sense of nationality, religion and ethnic identification to give rise to the idea of "us" and "them". We would be a community of the future expecting in any moment to grow globally when the rest of the world would come to understand that we are them and they are us.
The second characteristic would its communal universality. No one were to be left out; no one to take second place. It would embrace all ethnic, racial and tribal groups. It would be a most diverse organized body of people in our planet's history. Its very existence would challenge prevailing theories about human nature and the prospects for creating peaceful patterns of life.
A third characteristic would be a new system of values necessary for the development of a new civilization. Such ethos –where each member of the human race is regarded as a trust of the whole-- would be guided by an inner ethical orientation relevant to the challenges of the next stage of human development-- an orientation that would not come from legislation and education but from a divine source. (There is evidence that such a transformation in moral behavior is possible and it can be found around the world today.)
A mechanism promoting the ability to think and decide collectively is the fourth characteristic of an evolving civilization. A mode of decision-making both inclusive and cooperative and that would avoid adversarial posturing and partisanship while still democratic in spirit and method. This administrative order would function at the village, regional, national and God willing global level. Its leaders, for short terms, would be selected through secret ballot without any kind of promotion or marketing, only their behavior as proof of character and quality of life.
Fifth would be the will to address the problems confronting humanity. As mentioned before, there are communities around the world today that can offer their expertise especially to those who would be in doubt, incertitude or skepticism. They can, even today, eyewitness projects in the areas of health, agriculture, education and environmental preservation all around the world. These activities focus not on the delivery of services but rather on the development of capacities within people themselves. Underpinning such efforts is the recognition that every culture and segment of humanity represents a distinct heritage that must be permitted to bear fruit in a future global society.
Finally the manner in which the members of this future society would draw their resources from both reason and faith is by accepting that one complements the other one and that they are not opposite.
Yes, by acknowledging that faith without reason is mere superstition and reason without faith is pure materialism, would be how the genius of humanity would be tapped for a civilization that would let humanity leave the cradle to populate the universe and make it ours.
As hinted before such a civilization exists albeit in embryonic form, but please know it is healthy and growing.
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Apr 15 2011: I totally agree. In theory that is what we have now. But as soon as policiticans accept the conceit that they are responsible for "creating jobs" and "managing the economy", the whole thing starts to go off the rails through meddling. Was government interference in the economy through encouragement of home ownership at any price not what set the stage for the recent crash?
How would you propose to separate the state from economics?
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Apr 18 2011: You're not using Singapore as your example are you? My understanding is that China has a progressive income tax and heavily taxes imports.
Singapore is quite an anomaly. A small country, located at a prime location relative to trade routes, with a surplus of low-cost labor at it's borders.Apr 18 2011: And how about a phrase that says "congressman shall accept no corporate contributions"?Apr 23 2011: I don't want to soap box for my own revelations that have emerged from these many TED discussion s on democracy but we are de facto partners with the corporate sector..or at least can't conduct our bsuiness as a nation without them..so I do believe the business of business should be as unfettrered as possible circumscribed only to protect the health and safety of the nation, of our people. That's how we have tried to reconcile capitalsim with democracy and there should be ..need not be any inherent conflict berween capitalsim and democracy but obviously we haven't done it right or we wouldn't be where we are now. .Apr 23 2011: I view the relationship between regulation and production as a false dichotomy. Regulations only negatively effects production in relation. That is to say, when there is another location with a different set of regulations. If regulations were universal then, theoretically regulations would not affect production at all since all businesses will be operating under the same umbrella and affect each business the same.
Interestingly enough I had never thought of a separation of state and economics. In fact, I think that universal regulation would actually accomplish this idea and move us closer to the ideal form of capitalism.
The practical implication of this would be complex and not easy. There would have to be regional adjustments for things like minimum wage, etc . . .
Is my logic here wrong??Apr 14 2011: Both Dan and Revett, you mention election funding - if we were to start from scratch, would we really keep on having elections of representatives to parliament or to congress? Representative governance was designed 300 years ago at a time when 97% of the population was illiterate and power was held in the hands of the very few. Today, the situation is wholly reversed, where 97% of the population is perfectly able to read, write and do a lot of other things - able, certainly, to weigh in on the decisions that affect them directly.
Thinking outside the box here - I wouldn't expect to be involved in every decision, but I would like to have the opportunity to get involved in those decisions that I am passionate or that I care about. Especially broad policy decisions that affect the lay of the political land - decisions that will impact the quality of life of my children, etc. If I knew other citizens, possibly in the form of the Jury system, deliberated on policy decisions, instead of politicians, I would tend to have more trust in the outcomes.
Whatever governance system we conjure, it should ideally do away with partisan and structural opposition. What enterprise can function and be viable when the name of the game is to destroy the other guy's arguments, instead of finding the best solution for the good of the country. The notion of electing people, parties, to "power" creates this game of promising everything, anything, to get elected. The only purpose of an elect is to take decisions in our stead, and I am saying that we can now no doubt do this ourselves.
For instance, a "Jury" deliberates about a serious issue and comes up with a proposal (not an overly simplified slogan that is "politically acceptable" but inane to solve the problem) and that proposal is put to the vote of the public - You and I would vote via the Internet, and that would be that. If the result is a No, it goes back into deliberation until a better solution is found.
Apr 14 2011: Jean-Daniel: Sorry, my response to Dan was just on the topic of election financing, not on your overall question.
I agree that our current system was designed for a time that has gone away, and I agree that a better educated population with better means of communication could and should result in changes to the way political decisions are made. But I am very loath to throw out the entire system given that it has worked well for several hundred years. I think if we could just go back to the original intent of electing representatives -- so that they represent us to the government, not the other way round -- and if we could somehow bring some civility back into political discourse (among politicians, I mean; heaven forfend that we should encounter any civility here!), and if we could somehow hold politicians to account for the promises they make during elections, then we would resolve many of our existing problems. Perhaps then we could think of fine tuning the system.
Apr 14 2011: HI Revett - I agree that throwing away everything could be like throwing away the baby with the bath water - a big change would have to be something we are careful about. There are a lot if "if"s in your comment here, about what it would take to resolve existing problems. I think the issues underlying the "if"s you want to see changed are actually structural.
For instance, if we have elections, politicians will make promises to win them. If we get to have a say only once every 4-5 years about issues that affect us, this means that the politicians have no accountability with regard to their day to day positions. As long as party politics exist in a "I win- you lose" scenario, it will be difficult to get civility back into the political discourse.
Politicians are less trusted than lawyers and used car salesmen - yet they take it upon themselves to spend 30-50% of your and my wages on programs designed to keep them in office. Fundamentally, I am convinced most of them are very decent human beings. But the system is debased and needs fixing in order to make it safe and trustworthy. That's my original question - what would it look like?Apr 14 2011: I can't argue with you! I agree that most politicians are probably decent people, at least until they climb into the bottomless pit of whichever capitol building they head to when elected, but you only have to look at the "debates" of the last two evenings (here in Canada) to see four otherwise intelligent people play-acting their way through a completely meaningless two-hour suspension-of-reality show in a totally unconvincing manner and in a way that did nothing for me except make me want to lock all four of them up somewhere where they can be neither seen nor heard. And these are four people vying to be the Head Honcho in a major western country. So sad.
However, I still believe the system is fundamentally sound and needs improving, not rejecting or replacing.Apr 27 2011: I have a question to the group. Before starting to debate what the government would look like, don't we need to decide - what should it's goals be?
For example, should the following be goals of a government?:
. Provide maximum opportunity to the maximum number
. Enhance the well-being of the community
. Protect the natural environment
. Manage the exploitation of natural resources
What other goals should it have? How would you prioritize them?
Apr 27 2011: Yes we need to do that..but this converstaion closes oin 7 hours..I am suggesting we should strat a part III that works from the hash through of issues 30 people have worked at here..if Jean is not game..may be you are..we could call it "Reinventing Government..PArt II. Is our own "We the People"..the declaration of indepdence and our consitution with its 27 ammendmendts an adequate and complete expression of our values as a people..do we need to re visit even those foundations. Are they gfleshed ouyt enough to enable us to deal with global issues ( our place as a nation in the world), environemental integrity, the integrity of our banking and monetray systems..I think we need a part III,Apr 27 2011: Jean--thank you for this wonderful conversation that I thin kis exactly what TED Converstaions envisioned..As I watch the clock wind down to closing, I re read your question and re read the entire conversation..every word top to bottom. I counted 27 different voices here and each exchange thoughtful, consfdered, purposeful. Still we never did get to your question..what would that look like..we only got as far as hashing out the issues..maybe you'll host a Part III so we can do part II together and invit eother voices to join us? In any event..thank you again Jean-Dabiel for this wonderful conversation.Apr 26 2011: What's so wrong with a hunter gatherer society? Can you imagine a world where you can literally completely provide for yourself and your family without interference? In my eyes, complete freedom is the only way to go. Build what you want to build, eat what you want to eat, go where you want to go. I feel like it's only the weakness of people fearing that they don't have what it takes to survive on their own that keeps us running to governments. Yes, life would be much simpler. Yes, life would be less social. Yes, life would be full of issues that you yourself, God forbid, would have to deal with. Our society's and government's structure has changed incredibly and became wildly complex over the years. But change is not always progress.
Apr 26 2011: exactly. if a community loved itself, its diversity would provide for itself in everyway. but we find reasons to put borders, community zones, and brick walls all the way down to the wall of your room to keep us from the world around us.
Apr 26 2011: Hi Tim...................Once I had someone ask me "Where do you end and space begins ?" I guess that is why we have rooms...if we want to be alone or limit who joins us.
Apr 27 2011: i got nothing against rooms i should say, they are fun to fill the space they create, but what i was getting at is we seem to think we need more and more borders between eachother and more laws to enforce said walls.Apr 26 2011: Tim..I love this.
." if a community loved itself, its diversity would provide for itself in everyway."
that is the essence..the source..so simply and beauifully said.
Apr 27 2011: anarchy is a beautiful thing!Apr 27 2011: Tim I getcha. I have never really answered that question to my satisfaction.Apr 26 2011: A study I've seen on this idea supposedly showed that the average (in the case I read), Americans, would not want to find their own food, nor build their own shelters. From this, I realized that if these societies change in new, creative and better ways, I, along with everyone else who is of a certain age, generation or group, must be willing and agreeable to the fact that I will be one whose life is going to be upset and unbalanced the most and most likely, in many disagreeable, irritating ways, that make my life run much less than smoothly. Many new changes may seem like they don't make any sense. There is going to be an overlap between generations somewhere, before and until, it really smooths out and begins to settle into what we envision now, that it could be, and those who are going to be phased out, will be most affected. How long for this? Who knows. They/we/I, must accept this if they/we/I, really aren't just talking out the sides of our mouths. When in fact I speak to those I know of these kinds of changes, they are immediately, and I mean immediately, upset, angry, spiteful, dismissive, contemptuous and other kinds of adjectives. This, I cannot seem to get through to them. This has to start now, it has to. Better later than sorry doesn't work 'cause now, later is too late. I know that realistically and also philosophically, there is no such thing as complete and total freedom but I do think humans should work for creating something, or rather learning how to "allow" something as close as possible to complete freedom as they can live with and live by. This involves practicing patience and tolerance, and with them, gaining understanding and knowledge and through these, maybe finding the deeper and I think, very real connections that make us, or show us, that we are one and not separate as we feel, and have existed and have not been able to come together without killing one another, or just killing, i.e. trust, spirit, childlike-wonder as we age, etc.Apr 26 2011: There is truth in what you say Branden..my island wilderness preserve here in Maine is a continual wild harvest of mushrooms, lobsters, clams,mussels, blueberries, blackberries, stripped bass jumping in my cove..Folk who shop at whole food markets who come to visit are thrilled to know how to harvest l,ettuce or pick peas or recognize a porcini within its spongy disguise...it's amazing how many CEO's and hi -powered folk come here just to rest but find real joy in becoming hunter gathere's again..It's almost like a memory that lives in us somehow. I feel it every day here. Put that tigether with Tim's remarkably beutiful statement that a community that loves itself feeds and houses all..and Y Yolanda's tribal mother wisdom and we start someplace that is worth building from..of course not reverting to "primitive life" but living closer to, governing ourselves closer to what lives in each of us and wants to speak"Apr 26 2011: I want to see REAL anarchy. I see no reason why a society needs a goverment to provide for itself. goverment is a luxury(or a curse)Apr 25 2011: may I simply submit my own modest proposal: I make no apologies for nudging you in the direction of a piece I wrote a couple of years back. In short, the best, and in my view, the only way to re-invent government is to abolish it.
Apr 26 2011: Hi Harry..reminds me of that old saw "Chistianity hasn't failed, it just hasn't been tried yet" I am beginning to think most folk are very lazy about democracy and even about their own morals and ethics.You are sadly correct..people think democracy is delegating to others ( our legislators)..no one wants to roll up their sleeves and do the really hard work of having a real democracy. I am very disheartend and surprised for example by the thread on "Would You Buy Unethical Clothes"..too much effort they say unless the clothing is labled..By the way..love the idea of your blog and I do the same at blogspot ( my "spiritual" blog and at posterous my blog on searching for the truth behind the headlines. What you are doing is good and honorable work..thank you. Harry.
Apr 27 2011: Thanks Lindsay
It is easy to be overwhelmed by the scale of the problem. Getting people even to understand what Democracy really is, is proving to be almost impossible, so it's not encouraging to even contemplate the task which would then follow (getting the required consensus to implement it) let alone the even more remote obstacles we'll face when we actually do. But I'm an optimist and decades of hill walking has taught me that the mountain always looks bigger and tougher from the bottom than the top!
Apr 27 2011: RE: How The Mountain Looks From The Bottom
Well as I once learned on a hike in the Azores ..the way to get to the top of a mountain is to just make the section right in front of you..and then the next one and then the next one and never think about how high the mountain is or whether you actually can reach the top.We can't avoid problems because they are too big to solve..we have to just sart with what is in front us and do what we can from there.Apr 24 2011: I would hope that it looks nothing like government. What could possibly, truly affect people into treating each other with decency, in order to be treated with decency in return? We all know when we feel or think we've been treated indecently so we must know (pretty much so), when we treat another indecently.
I believe one way that could come about would be through a great reduction in the stress, fear, doubt and confusion we feel, have and experience or have dumped on us, on a daily basis. But, what would accomplish that?
Imagine if everyone contributed in short durations of time, their skills, knowledge, training, education, abilities, desires, understandings and by so doing, we not only keep certain types of machinations running for the benefit of all, but we don't worry about whether or not there will be enough money to take care of ourselves (where most of that stress, etc. comes from), because all that we contribute for (right now we call it work), is free. We can do this. We can automate so many things. In fact, what you do, just hasn't been automated yet. But the automation comes to put you out of a job, increasing the profit for the corporation, rather than what it was intended for: to relieve humans of drudgery, mindless, repetitive labor, whereby the human becomes more like the robot rather than the robot doing the work.
As long as we have monetary systems we will have corruption, crime and slavery. We will have resource wars. Are you a person who, if put in a certain position, will throw that live baby into a burning oven? Are you that person who will say, "I want my kids to eat. Go to Asia. Take their food. I don't care about those children!" This new world is coming and those now in their early years will either have the freedom to make the right decisions for the world then or they will not have the freedoms necessary. If we are going to end slavery, and there is more than ever before in the history of the world, then we must truly end it, first. BoldApr 24 2011: I would really like to hear some feedback on the point I was trying to make as sometimes it is easy to get blinded in our own thoughts. I hope some of the laizze-faire economist could chime in.
It was concerning the relationship between regulations and economic production. Traditionally, as regulations increase economic production decreases. I am suggesting that this inverse relationship only holds true when we assume that there are multi sets of regulations to choose from. Because of this, corporations are almost forced to relocate when regulations pass and so regulations have had the impact of decreasing or even erasing economic production.
I am arguing that if regulations were globally universal then regulations would not at all affect economic production. In this sense, geographical minimum living wages could be assigned, environmental regulations, safety regulations, etc . . . If all corporations had the same exact regulations then they would all compete on an even playing field. Instead of corporations looking for locations with the best policies they could match up better with a location's "natural" comparative advantage: skill of worker, environmental conditions, etc. . . In fact, I would think it might actually give credibility to the idea of development in third world countries. We have much evidence that clearly shows the current model of "development" as a total failure.
This would effectively separate economics from government. People could vote on regulations without worrying about chasing jobs away and the economic sector would be free to compete, produce and profit at will without the current problem of exploitation.
For me it makes sense, but again, it is easy to get tunnel vision with your own thoughts.
I am convinced that any centrally controlled economic system would fail miserably and I agree with all of the logic of capitalism. I am also convinced that zero regulation has been and would be disastrous.
Apr 24 2011: yes a tough one..we say we hold these values dear:fair wages, safe working conditions,envirornmental protections, child labor laws: We know they increase the cost of production,and yet, bottom line, so few of us have our expressed values lined up with the choices we actually make in the market place.Are you personally willing to pay more and have less for the sake of these values which as you say must be enforced to avert disater. Are you personally willing to do the discernment to make sure your funds are invested only in companies who follow these practices in all their places of operation all over the world? If not, then what is it we expect of law and regulation? Do we look to it as a way of limiting our choices for us because we lack the moral courage as individuals to aline our values with our actions?
Apr 24 2011: I see you made a comment some 10 minutes ago and while doing so, my power went out. :)
Anyway, thanks for your responses. I think one thing that concerns me, though it isn't mine to solve, is something I just read a little bit about, maybe on this site somewhere.That power-outage came at the wrong time. It was about "resource wars" and if one believes those in control of resources, then we are bound to have them. I worry about people I know in other parts of the world other than America and feel very strongly that most Americans would condone the murder and theft of resources of other people if pushed to that point. And they will be. That is a definite intention of those in control of resources. We invaded a country, killed and ruined many lives, for control of oil, so that Americans could continue to think all is okay with the world. This doesn't have to happen. When you ask, "because we lack the moral courage as individuals to aline our values with our actions?" remember that it is money that makes people do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. I have reached a point in my life where I don't hold it against another, and accept that whatever they think they must do to survive is okay, it isn't immoral, a sin or any of those things. After all, it must not be immoral to kill another since those who have given the world the moral codes to live by, such as "thou shall not kill" have never really followed them themselves and in the name of the same God or whatever as back then, are still doing it today. Besides, to be in business requires a profit and if I tell you my hand bag is all right but the store down the street has a much better one, I will be out of business. I can't afford to be ethical and this is one reason I am so against the monetary system. In spite of the ideal we think we are working towards, we are not. There are simply too many to be successful. Only a few will be, the rest will have a job (survival) and many of them will lose and have it.Apr 24 2011: I am actually saying that that is a false trade off. Regulation does not inherently hinder production. It only hinders production if it is regionally specific and there exist other regions with less regulations.
Look at America's heyday with manufacturing. It existed when federal regulations were passed when individual states could not then avoid the regulations. If we had international minimum regulations there would be NO trade off in production. That trade off only exists when there exists different regulations in different locals, meaning a company from one region would then gain a comparative advantage through policy.
Universal regulations would construct a "natural" state under which free market capitalism would be then free to operate under. If regulations were no longer regionally specific then they would in essence, be separated from economic production, they would merely reflect general beliefs in standard of living (which would be very complex to iron out).
Apr 24 2011: Yes but how do we actually do that? countries won't tolerate a non-vountary over ride of their internal laws..I was pointing in the direction of where you are pointing with my post here at TED on Foundations for a Global Democracy. Maybe like the Sullivan Principles. with the help of the internet & social media if we could draft and circulate a "we the people of the world" statement of values..things we believe as citizens if the wolrd that no nation has a right to transgress..we could begin to have some effect. What do you think, Matthew?Apr 24 2011: Agreed. That is a major issue. I think most third world countries would be willing participants as right now they get their policies controlled already through the IMF and so they would love something like this. Middle East would be tricky but the current uprisings do present a chance for a fresh start and the young educated in these countries might be able to be convinced.
South America I think possess a political climate ripe for this type of scenario.
I think most resistance would come from those countries who are well established and cherish national sovereignty: The U.S., China, Russia. Just look at the backlash from the American right when President Obama claimed to be a "citizen of the world." I think championing the economic incentive here would be key to turning attitudes in these areas.
I think drafting a constitution is a great start. It is probably the single most important thing that would need to be done. I will check out that link.Apr 23 2011: these questions are spinning in my head for four months...i don't know yet, but i keep on searching. maybe we can look where onteher people are who are thinking on these questions and ideas. i'm curious.Apr 23 2011: there is a fascinating political experiment happening in canada's north in this direction. both the nwt and the new nunavut governments are based on aboriginal ideas of consensus rather than the westminster tradition of adversarial debate. it's been working well now for 3 decades. political parties exist only in federal politics, but don't exist at this territorial level. each hamlet/region elects the best candidate. they gather in yellowknife and in iqualiut and elect amongst themselves those most qualified for the various ministerial jobs and these form the government. the rest make up the "opposition" and keeps them honest. this was made possible by the political participation of the dene and the unuit who make up half the northern population. it has meant the best ideas become law rather than only those ideas of the leaders. it has protected minor interests rather well - local communities often vote themselves dry of booze for example.
Apr 23 2011: Jock, love that and would like to know more about that..the founding fathers also looked to native anerican "law" and were very impressed with the Iroquois system(???).. do you know Tom Atlee's work in Co-Intelligence..very similar and I have seen it work in groups where there is great polarity..there is a wisdom that can speak past bias, prejudice, debate and arguement when all parties agree to "the practuce" (of listening to everyone) Tom Atlee at his site for the co-intelligence Insutute writes of the process..everyone speaks in turn saying what they feell or want or think..very soon there starts to be an emerging consensus and then after many rounds there is Decion Making Without Decisions ( the tille of the aritcle)..theer is consensus that is conplete and "woned" and honored by each. Perhaps the nunavut process is similar??? Could you share it with us in more detail? Thank you for making this important and relevant reference
Apr 24 2011: http://www.gov.nu.ca/wpc/nunavut.html
no, haven't heard of tom atlee before. will look up. but you're describing the practice of the "talking stick" or "talking stone" practiced by many aboriginal groups. very interesting to use the technique in a mixed group where typically the extraverts dominate the conversation to the annoyance of the rest. whoever has the stick has the floor. and noone speaks except the person with the stick. including if he/she is just gathering their thoughts or waiting a bit. when done that person passes the stick around the circle. persons who don't want to speak don't. it is incredibly powerful as a tool because suddenly everyone is actually listening to the speaker, and not thinking about their own retort.
you remind me of robert persig's work on "quality" and his two books "zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" and "lila". he's built up a webpresence on the same themes. in lila he made the astonishing claim that it was the 5 nations that invented democracy. and that the founding fathers of the us were well acquainted with the "iroquois constitution."
they had a means of stopping war that is most beautifully put in the image of an eagle atop a tree beneath which the weapons of war were buried. they had a beautiful balance between men and women in their system. there were many clan longhouses presided over by matriarchs. they each sent a man to the tribal councils. if such a man broke certain rules he was shunned and that longhouse would lose a turn sending a rep to the council.
some have suggested that the only progress we've made is the size of the tribe is bigger. to a lady living in seclusion, that might be some small comfort.
Apr 24 2011: Thank you jock for explaining the process.I think it speaks meaningfully and with promise to the possibilities of technology assisted direct democracy in a large plurastic.modern society..I think it would make for a wiser and much smaller government with a far more focused, coherent and rational system of laws and regulations.We tend to think that such practices only work because they arise from deeply held shared values..but my own experience and observation is that such practices can work merely through consent to the practice without any underlying tribal identity. It's one of those things,though, you have to see and experience to believe. I wonder if we could model here at Ted somehow so everyone could expereince how it works?Apr 23 2011: I really don't believe people want to change what they have. Changing what you have means remaining in the box no one really wants out of. What is in the box are the same old broken and unrepairable institutions, with the same old ineffectual and broken tools along with the same vicious cyclical thinking, such as voting, that goes nowhere. We know this but we persist on trying to hold on to what is familiar in the hope (that's another issue), things will somehow get better. WE have the actual proof right before our eyes, always, and we simply deny it to ourselves and others.
For instance, there is this growing, highly visible display by celebrities and others about ending human trafficking. But, they really don't want to end it because they are unwilling to destroy, dismantle or get rid of the real cause for it. This applies to almost 100% of all crime in the world. Crime is strongly connected to corruption. I guess that's what it really is and the cause of corruption of all kinds is money.
Without writing more, if readers resist, disagree, argue, ridicule, dismiss or in other ways minimize the idea of no monetary systems in the world, then I think it fair to say that would be a good indication they cannot get out of the box. They cannot think outside the box. They refuse to think outside the box.
Studies, experiments and intense and long-term research has shown or proven that humans have both true and false within them, concurrently. However, the truth is kept or held in the unconscious while the false is kept in the conscious. This is counter-intuitive and creates inner turmoil and resistance to what is true. It also leads to denial of what is true and that leads to self-deception. It arises from deception. Self-deception is the active misrepresentation of reality to the conscious mind. Deception is the active misrepresentation of reality to another conscious mind.
Politicians, politics have never really solved our human problems. They don't know how to.
Apr 23 2011: y yolanda penetrating insight..in some circles what you are pointing to is called the "false self"..that is the part that is bound to ego..that ties identity to what is owned and already known..that is afraid to step beyond that.. but as you wisely observe..there is a "beyond tha"t within each of us.
Apr 24 2011: I'm not very smart and I don't have long to live. The only thing I have to offer any of you, this general "you" out there who I'm assuming are much smarter than I, is the idea that you must think very differently. To put it another way, "let go of old ideas, absolutely." Without doing that, nothing really new, "outside the box everyone is in" will or can come in or manifest itself to you younger ones and perhaps your offspring. Without letting go absolutely, what does come will more than likely be for the broken pieces in the box because "you" are still holding on to the broken system we/you all have.
Below, Edwin says, "the ideal system is laissez-faire capitalism, i.e. an old idea. Nothing new there.
Political, economic must go! There's a new idea. The resources we all work for don't belong to anyone; corporations, countries who can dishonestly buy them, thus enslaving those they stole from, in poverty. Everyone who is born, is born equal.To me this means they have a Right to an equal share of the earth's resources needed to live without the stress of whether or not they will be able to purchase them. We need to take them out of the hands of the ruling, financial elite by getting rid of political/economic systems. Those are based on slavery, scarcity (of resources) and profit. All we work for needs to be free for all and we have the technology, the training, the skills, the education, the talent, the numbers (of people), the willingess, the need, the desire, the dream (since the beginning of time and oppression) and capability to do this. Over a short time, the overlap of generations, it will become easier, and more will be born into a world of peace, with out crime or the need for crime because there will be no money. If money ended right now, do not believe for a moment all motivation would end. We would still be hungry, thirsty, sleepy, cold/hot, curious, and all the things that do motivate us. Does one really think that would all cease when money goes? No. :)
Apr 24 2011: That's a tough one to tackle for most of us Y Yolanda ,a true collective where money isn't necessary. I hope your point won't just get skipped over as what you are expressing is an ancient and enduring value and system of governance. I apologize that I seem to have also skipped over it. Please forgive me.We forget that it hasn't always been as it is now and so aren't even able to consider anything else.Indigenous peoples all over the wolrld, who have had no contact with each ther or the modern wolrld, live with remarkably similar moneyless cultures and systems of governance..Housing is provided for each by the whole community; food is grown and shared and consumed in collective..people fashion their own tools and make their own clothes from what's around ( or don't need any in their climate), the whole village teaches children what they need to know. No need for money..everything needed for life is collectively harvested and shared equally. There is usually chief enforcer but governance is really a system of consent to live by these values . Thank you for persisting Y Yoland and again my apologies for just skipping over your very valuable point about moneyless governance.Apr 25 2011: Saying something must go is not an idea it is counter reaction lacking substance. I am all for new ideas but they need to be something more then a rejection of what is. There needs to be a plan and substance for it to be an idea.
I think democracy is still a new idea as we have not yet seen it actualized. World democracy is even more revolutionary because of the PRACTICAL implications of it and the fact that it would probably produce the new ideas which you are alluding too.Apr 22 2011: The Wikipedia definition of government is a body which enforces & legislates law, and arbitrates conflicts via their monopoly on violence.
A monopoly on violence is necessary for internal stability, but enforcement and legislation can be delegated. This permits much freedom in the organizational structure of the rest of government.
Create a multitude of bodies, each dedicated to a specific subject or topic. The body defines how the nation views that subject. It could specify laws and penalties, specifications and requirements, plans and goals, hopes and dreams, etc.
Wherever one body's analyzation involves a subject that has its own body, it must defer that aspect of the subject to that body.
The decision making process of the bodies can also, itself, be defined by a body. Perhaps a board of deciders is voted in, or votes are taken online, etc.
This forces the government to be united in all defined aspects, and allows massive, efficient, simultaneous decision making.
There would be alot of resources involved to ensure that full cross-referencing between bodies occurs, but the effort would ensure a cohesive government.
Such a system would also require some special precautions to correct any bad systemic change that might propagate through the system. For example, if the body defining the decision-making process rules that only citizens with a net worth over a billion dollars can vote, there should be recourse that doesn't involve an armed revolt.Apr 22 2011: if most people of world settle on some thing, it not mean it is best choice.
what best form rationally and scientifically?
people of world are influenced by advertisement and media. so most people of world can be controlled by media.Apr 21 2011: Democracy: I think this is an important part of any system. The problem with our modern system for democratic representation though, is that one ends up with representatives who have no experience in the vast majority of fields they're supposed to be regulating. So you get leaders who make some very poor decisions, based on political motivations, which can have enormous consequences.
Technocracy: I think a technocratic system is a good solution to the problem described above. With professionals regulating their own feild of specialty. Thus doctors would regulate health care, civil engineers would be in charge of civil engineering, communications experts would be in charge of updating our communication networks, etc. So the laws are constructed by those who are the most educated in the subject being regulated. Of course this system should be democrotized! So those brought up in the educational system would have the opportunity to be trained in any field of their choosing. This means that if you don't like the way something is being done, then you can do something about it, just not while blinded by ignorance.
Meritocracy: I think it would be only fair that all promotions are based on an applicant's predicted performance, and not based on any personal or political biases against that individual. I think it would be important to control for this to prevent any kind of power struggle among officials.
I think this would require a different economic system. I'd suggest one that rewards individuals for the benefit they provide to society. Those who confer the most benefit onto society would have the highest standard of living, and those who gave the least to society, or even perhaps detracted from it, would be provided the minimum standard of living. This would encourage everyone to try to do the most to aid others because they would be rewarded for it, instead of our current system which I think is a more selfish system, and obviously unstable.
Apr 23 2011: Yes I think we are on the same page Tomas. We have grown too big and complicated as a nation to be adequately represented by 500 folk who actually aren't any more expert than the avergae citizen..maybe less so since the real experts are earning more in commerce.On all the TED discussions on dircet democracy there is a great deal of elitism and mistrust of the common man but what is our legislature?
edit: I also like your idea of a sort of peer review system..do you have more to say about that?
Apr 26 2011: Indeed. I think everyone would be agreed that we all be allowed a voice in government, but if everthing is voted on by everyone (or by those elected by everyone) then there's no specialization in the system, and if there's one thing that our modern technologic society has shown us, it's how important specialization is to progress. So I think if we want to progress, we should give legislative power over to specialists. That way what needs to be done for society can be done by those most knowledgable on the subject, in a free and open manner. Though I think it would be prudent not to give every professional equal power over their field. Legislation is an important task, and I think it would be good to have a graduated system whereby those with lower education levels are limited to more local decisions (their neighbourhood or city), while those with the highest expertise would make decisions designed to effect districs, states, and the nation. And if we standardize education levels, we could litterally guarantee every citizen the possibility of voting on national policy. Not to mention the more wide spread benefit that citizens could diversify their city policies based on it's specific needs and limitations in every field of expertise.
The other great thing about this system is that it has a very good built in system of checks and balances. With every profession naturally reliant on the others for all the goods and services they provide to society. And if our economy is made to reflect that, then I think we could get a great deal done in this country.Apr 21 2011: what is the best form of government?
is democracy best form of government?
do you accept this?:
"if a shepherd have enough money for advertisement can become a president in a democratic society"
do you know how many forms of government say Aristotle and what form is worst model in his view?
Apr 21 2011: Most of the world has settled on a communist-capitalist hybrid. Centrally planned monetary system, taxation, and entitlements driven by a heavily regulated capitalist engine. Given the state of things now, this model does not seems sustainable.
Apr 22 2011: if most people of world settle on some thing, it not mean it is best choice.
what best form rationally and scientifically?
people of world are influenced by advertisement and media. so most people of world can be controlled
people just work and not think, and media think for people.Apr 21 2011: Governence doesn't really have to do with technology and everything to do with people. It seems to me that most of the ideas expressed in this forum have to do with more fairly distributing power. However, almost everyones response has been to simply move power from one group to another so as to give themselves the most influence. If you really want to gain more influence then the goal should be to have as many competing factions as possible, because the fewer there are, then the less likely it is that your opinion will matter. If politicians are underhanded/transparent in dealing with each other or the people, then all it does is add/remove an extra dimension to/from the problem. This also seems to be a general theme as most of the suggestions below amount to removing some dimensions and adding others. The idea that it is the people against the corporations or governments is silly because the people are not the only group they have to deal with. The people act more as a power base for when the corporations and governments battle one another. He who controls the ideas of the people wins. The institutions act just like people, they do what is in their best interest. With that said, I would think the best I idea would be to encourage policies that cause them to compete more, not less. That would throw out one world government as well as lasse-faire; due to lasse-faire resulting in a monopoly if government doesn't intervene. Would like to hear your thoughts.
Apr 23 2011: the more diversity the better the system works?? wisdom there I think..coiuld you flesh that out a bit more for us???Apr 20 2011: Taking it to the people: Tim Pawlenty announced his running for the president on Facebook & President Obama is hosting a FAcebook townhall today. Today the American President uses the social networking platform of Facebook to connect directly with the people. Will he or his staff also review likes/comments/posts following the event? Could this be the start of a more direct conversation between the people and the pres? http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=216335745046274&oid=63811549237&commentsApr 20 2011: What if we just look at 'simple' nature. A tree is committed to stay where it is as long as it lives. Stability for others. A tree puts the baseline for survival of many species. For the rest all the species are interdependently on their own.
Government and military became big to prevent corruption by power/force. Mobile phones in closed networks do a lot of government and police work for us. Even real money is practically not needed anymore.
So the new role is not control from above, though control from below, making sure the means for survival are clear for 7 generations in a row :)Apr 20 2011: A self-chosen class system of citizenship to encourage participation, as discussed in another TED talk: http://www.ted.com/conversations/453/a_self_chosen_class_system_of.htmlApr 20 2011: Perhaps we could start with a list of basic priorities? If current governments gave thier list of priorities (backed up by facts), imagine what that would look like!
The internet, while it can be used as a tool, is not trully democratic as some of us have much greater access to it than others, thus it should not be relied on too heavily.
Democracy is not healthy unless dissent is welcome and the media are accountable for misleading the people as they currently do. I actually began a MA in Journalism and quit in disgust; they are taught to misrepresent the truth even as they discuss ethics!
Polititians should be accountable for thier actions, for example, if they lead the country into a war against the wishes of the majority of the people, leading to many deaths, they should go to jail like any other thug!
Apr 20 2011: I like the idea of priorities. Every policy requiring spending should be established with a priority attached relative to other policies. This way, when something needs to be cut from the budget, there does not need to be discussion. The budget is cut from the lowest priority items first. If a priority can not be established, then a policy has not been thought through enough.
Apr 23 2011: Your are sooooo right on target on this Drew. We have allowed our federal laws to grow into a muliti headed hydra..a fragmented disconnected incoherent system. We have too many laws and we turn to law so readily to solve problems. We need to radically rethink how something becomes federal law and reconnect it to the will of the people.Apr 19 2011: IMO I think democracy does not adapt as quick as society and technology. Therefore it creates developmental lag. Secondly democracy should occur in real time and be decided through being able to support or revoke your trust in a decision maker or project, since if we are frank with our current situation a real time assessment of campaign promises requires more research, time and impartial media then we currently have. It would provide an open knowledge base that would allow continual discussion and transparency down to the last detail. It would assist in provided and developing detailed standardized academic information for citizens to consult, along with the means to gain recognition for the knowledge they have acquired. Also I think it is important that there is structural competition for government departments as bureaucratic society has tendency to stagnate. Arguments would be presented tagged with logical aspects with references so they that we could accurately target illogical or fallacious information that is being presented. Citizens with an idea could formalize into governmental structure and then dissipate as necessary.


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Sad that an idiot can be spotted a mile away. You would believe a 3 legged dog barking if it said anything negative about President Obama. Neither you or Dennis Rodman understand the nature of diplomacy. The President is limited at what he can do because of the position he is in, to do it with. Rodman is a citizen with no power, authority, and responsibility that the presidential office carries. He does not sign his name to a law or a bill that affects the nation and even the world. That's why Rodman can sit with every leader on Earth and say what he wants to whomever. His words carry zero weight. President Obama's words are heavy and can change the course of history. The office of the President of the United States carries the greatest power ever known in human history. President Obama must be thoughtful and mindful of that power. Dennis Rodman only needs to be mindful of what his next meal will be or if he paid his light bill or something. To agree with Rodman says that you are simply a moron going around disrespecting authority, saying what you will, and hiding behind the first amendment of freedom of speech; not reading, studying, forming warped gun toting opinions, and talking about taking over and impeaching the President. OMG
Basketball hall of famer, crazy person, and prospective foreign diplomat Dennis Rodman is continuing to wedge himself into American relations with North Korea. Rodman infamously went on a publicity stunt to North Korea earlier this year and palled around with dictator Kim Jong Un, appearing in public with a man who operates one of the most oppressive governments in the world. After returning to the states, Rodman has more or less acted as an independent conduit between North Korea and the USA. Even for Dennis Rodman, this was unexpected. This week, Rodman tweeted that he would hope Kim Jong Un would "do him a solid" and free an American prisoner in North Korea, Kenneth Bae, who has been sentenced to 15 years of hard labor by the regime: I'm calling on the Supreme Leader of North Korea or as I call him "Kim", to do me a solid and cut Kenneth Bae loose. — Dennis Rodman (@dennisrodman) May 7, 2013 Now, via TMZ, Rodman is taking his own brand of diplomacy straight to the top by ripping President Barack Obama himself for his supposed inability to get anything done with North Korea. Rodman is apparently distressed that Obama can't find it in his heart to get nice and chummy with the dictator. He told TMZ: "We got a black president that can't even go talk to Kim, how about that one. I'll put it like this - Obama can't do sh*t." Rodman also claims he's going back to North Korea later this year to talk to Kim Jong Un about freeing Kenneth Bae. He also claims responsibility for the country removing missles from potential launch positions. Seriously. Dennis Rodman, yes, that Dennis Rodman, is taking credit for subduing the threat of war on the Korean peninsula. When getting into his car, a TMZ rep asked about President Obama once again and Rodman replied - "[expletive] him!" During his playing career, I could have imagined Dennis Rodman doing any number of zany things once he decided to end his basketball playing days. Acting in those God awful original SyFy movies. Dedicating his life to professional wrestling. Living in a van out in the wilderness of Alaska to find himself. Never would I have imagined this world in which Dennis Rodman actually thinks of himself as a foreign diplomat to a country that once earned designation as being part of the Axis of Evil. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a response from President Obama to The Worm, but I look into the future and wonder whether our world is crazy enough to see Dennis Rodman's name included in the history books of our grandchildren and great-grandchildren for his North Korean adventure. As it stands now, nothing would surprise me. [TMZ]
OMG, I never thought I would see the day when I agreed with anything Dennis Rodman had to say. But he's right about Baraq Osama Bin Laden Obama.
Sad that an idiot can be spotted a mile away. You would believe a 3 legged dog barking if it said anything negative about President Obama. Neither you or Dennis Rodman understand the nature of diplomacy. The President is limited at what he can do because of the position he is in, to do it with. Rodman is a citizen with no power, authority, and responsibility that the presidential office carries. He does not sign his name to a law or a bill that affects the nation and even the world. That's why Rodman can sit with every leader on Earth and say what he wants to whomever. His words carry zero weight. President Obama's words are heavy and can change the course of history. The office of the President of the United States carries the greatest power ever known in human history. President Obama must be thoughtful and mindful of that power. Dennis Rodman only needs to be mindful of what his next meal will be or if he paid his light bill or something. To agree with Rodman says that you are simply a moron going around disrespecting authority, saying what you will, and hiding behind the first amendment of freedom of speech; not reading, studying, forming warped gun toting opinions, and talking about taking over and impeaching the President. OMG
Obama is a liar and the worst president ever, your long winded diatribe doesn't change that in my eyes or the eyes of millions of Americans who are fed up with his lame act.
you are truely an idiot. you are all thats wrong with this country, and it's not surprising you attach your duma**s to denis rodman, some kardashian like caricature. how can anyone agree with that clown. he like you, arent smart enough to understand not to believe everthing someone says.
Howboutthat, if you choose to believe that this liar and poor excuse for a president is the real deal, then go right on believing it. Many who wasted their vote on this clown are realizing it now. Because your too damn stupid to see what a fraud he is doesn't change the fact that he is.
1st, I'm not a Rodman or Obama fan or enemy.
Are we to believe what we arlready assume, the government can't get anything done?
You must understand diplomacy simce you say Crossover Chronicles and Rodman do not. Rodman carries no power yet it's Obama who is powerless?
Obama sign his name to laws that affect the nation and world, Rodman does not, yet it'd Obama that is powerless?
Rodman's words carry no weight, Obama's do. Yet Obama's have no affect?
President carries the greatest power ever known but has to be careful and mindful??? I'm not an Obama fan but we all know the man could sell ice to Eskimos. If he wanted to talk to "Kim" and help to free the person, he would. But he probably has more important things to accomplish that affect massses, rather than just one person. I hope I never need him.
When you have someone in office that continually goes against what working people want, there will be warped views in attempts to lash back. The only part about Rodman that helps this article is that he and Obama are both black. It's at least nice when Liberals can't claim racism. So, instead they'll go with stupidity in Rodman's case. I'm sure he's not that dumb, he made plenty and hasn't spent it all, he's not Tyson.
If Rodman spoke of impeachment, as you suggested, he isn't the first to do so. Nor is he the first with warped gun toting opinions.....Gun shows used to have a very odd mix of people there. Have you been to one lately?, there are very normal people there. And one sign is hung in booths all over claiming, "Obama is the number one gun salesman of the year"!!!!!! Pretty funny.
Why does anybody give a Rat's butt what Dennis Rodman has to say about anything other than basketball?
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Your right, Rodman doesn't know a damn thing about politics. He's a freak, always has been. But obama is still a horrible excuse for a president. Many in the military who wanted to do careers in the service are getting out because of obama. They too are ashamed to have to call him Commander in Chief, and rightfully so.
Giantsrepeat, I would not say that Rodman does not know a damn thing nor would I state that President Obama is a horrible excuse for a president. Let's get a few things straight.
The country was in an uproar long before President Obama became a president. We have had the pleasure of knowing President Ronald Regan, President Nixon, President Bush Sr. and Jr. and that is just to name a few. Their characters spoke volume and their body language spoke just as much volume as their character. Can you honestly say what the previous presidents have stirred-up, fixed-up or left undone for the next person to take on their shoulders and undo?
Or do you think that you could do a better job in office? This is just a question. Yes...freedom of speech happens all day long and that is a plus for us. I am sure being a president is not a cake walk. So for that reason and many other reasons my hat goes off to President Obama. And lets not forget the others.
People hate President Obama because of his skin color. Seriously Though! If people think of a person that way then their mature level is bleak even if they were raised that way.
As far as for Dennis Rodman, a man of a different character for sure. I have not agreed with some of the things that Dennis Rodman, has said or done in his past or present state. But the man was one heck of a basketball player using his distraction tactics on the court. His way is different and we really cannot say what he knows or what he does not know.
Bizzel, stated that Rodman's words does not carry any weight. We do not have a clue as to what Rodman's words may carry. Rodman is not as stupid as many may think. Who's to say that Rodman does not know anything about politics? One thing I noticed about him he was clever on the court and does one seriously think that; that type of behavior does not carry over into to his lifestyle?
President Obama is our President of the United States of America and opinions will always come but I still think that just as one respects another he too should be respected.
As far as for Dennis Rodman, he is who he is and he does what he does. It would not be Rodman if he did not do what Rodman does.
People are going to be people, leaders are going to be leaders and opinions will always fly.
I don't hate Obama because of the color of his skin. I judge someone by the content of their character. I just feel Obama is a terrible president. And I completely agree with your opinion of President Ronald Reagan, President Nixon and President Bush Sr. and Jr., and I will ad Jimmy Carter to that list as well. I don't trust Obama and I was appalled when he had the gall to apologize to Mexico by saying that the US was responsible for all their problems. That was a disgraceful act on his part. Only Mexico is responsible for what Mexico is, not the US. How dare he apologize for the country I Love and stood ready to die for, he had no right to do that.
Why are you, the contributing editors/writers giving Dennis Rodman all this attention? Dennis Rodman has as much knowledge about World Policy/politics as a smashed cockroach. He is an embarrassment to all Americans and nor does he speak/represent Black Americans Just ignore him PLEASE.
please don't compare our president to this fool.and have some respect for our president.he knows how to speak english,and cool.and classy and four more years baby!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama aint black.
Whatever, President Obama is he is still a man of leadership. I do not believe that any of us is black. Look at the color of a black suit or black shoes. I do not believe that any one is white, look at a white pair of socks, or a white shirt. We all are people of color and although not the same it still is something different and beautiful. So the next time you say black think, or the next time you say white think. We are the human race and we all bleed the same if we are cut. So we really do need to stop tripping about the lesser things in life and focus on the bigger things that have sustains and meaning.
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Queen's lyrics aren't just for blaring out at karaoke parties; they're also used to improve the world. Did you know that an evening in Lucky Voice belting out "I want to ride my bicycle" inspired Boris Johnson's plan for London's cycling scheme,? Well, now Bohemian Rhapsody's "is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?" has inspired a new type of racing game - Forza Horizon. A game that blends the realistic physics engine of the Forza 4 with real roads. Which is, as we found out this week, a very good thing.
Forza Motorsport on the Xbox 360 is famed for its James May levels of deep detail. Much like PS3 competitor Gran Turismo, the handling dynamics, photographic car detail and pitch-perfect sound offers the ultimate escapism for car nerds. But there was always that tingling desire to take Forza's cars on the open road, which has never been possible. While going through Hammerhead, forwards, sideways and backwards (sometimes at the same time) in Forza 4 is a lot of fun, we've never been able to demonstrate digital Stigness on the real roads.
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The game is centred around a central festival, handily called 'Horizon Festival'. Think of it as Glastonbury meets Top Gear Live: lots of music, lots of cars and lots of explosions (but less body painting, dreadlocks or Richard Hammond).
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That's if you want to. If you're the kind of person who's lays in bed bored on a Wednesday night and just goes for a drive - you can do exactly that. But instead of your Citroen Saxo, you can cruise around the vistas and canyons of Colorado in a Koenigsegg Agera. There are miles and miles of roads to explore, through both day and night, and you're actively encouraged and rewarded for doing drifts, burnouts and speeding - things that don't happen in said Saxo.
It's not just the physics engine that has been transferred from Forza Motorsport - the damage rendering has been improved and put in, too. So if you're anything like the resident Top Gear gamers, and get bored of having to do challenges so go on a smashing rampage, you'll enjoy t-boning the Nissan LEAF's that circulate the American map.
One of the biggest draws of Forza was the vast and diverse car list. Horizon is set to have a fairly extensive list (we couldn't get confirmed numbers), and it will be tailored to suit the vibe of the Horizon Festival. That means no LMP1 cars, but plenty of amazing road cars. We played with BMW 2002 Turbos, Lamborghini Aventadors, Bugatti Veyrons, Ferrari 458 Spiders, and many more.
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Because of its pick-upability, Horizon opens car culture and realistic driving dynamics to a whole new section of the gaming market. Is it real life? Or just fantasy? Well, it's actually a bit of both, and immensely fun for it. We played the hell out of Test Drive Unlimited 2, and this is definitively better.
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October 13, 2002 11:05PM
Hello Disc Golfers. ..
Well, it was another beautiful weekend in Tishomingo State Park for the 2002 edition of the Fall Classic. We had 51 players competing in what could not have been niver weather.
Todd Alexander won the Open Division by two strokes over the reigning Southern National Champion Phil Raymond, with David Dunham & Jeff Kleminsky cashing in at third and fourth. We had a total of twelve open players. Todd and Phil also split the $100 prize for the Final 6.
Grand Master honors went to Gary Wagoner, of Memphis, with Robert McDonald of Iuka
finishing second out of five players in the division.
Addie Isbell of Huntsville places first in the Open Women's Division followed by Diane Strickland of Florence. Chrystal Garcia was only one stoke out of the money in this division.
Brian Griffin won with a three stroke lead over Fair Hayes, followed closely by Brad Webb & David Cody.
Steve Sloan of Huntsville edged out Russ Cory of Florence for the Advanced Masters Plaque & first place honors. Ernie O'toole of Huntsville and Steve O'Dell of Pascagoula Florida finished third & fourth with only one stroke difference. Steve also took home our Disc Golf Road Warrior plaque, which is awarded to the Disc Golfer who travels the farthest to compete in the event.
Kary Rogers dominated the Amateur division with a score that would have tied him for second in the Advanced division. Jason Roberts of Memphis finished second with a one stroke lead over Tishomingo State Park Manager Bill Brekeen.
Judy Haydel was our Amateur Women's winner, with Nancy Hobock right behind her.
We had three Novice players competing in their first event, Stephen Bond, John Baccus & Fred Bump. We would like to welcome them to our Disc Golf Community and look forward to seeing their progress in the game.
We had a great time, wished you could have been there! It ROCKED!
Shoals Frisbee Club will be holding their Halloween Tournament on October the 26th,
anyone interested in attending and needing more information, please mail me back and I will get it to you.
The Lee Naquin Memorial, hosted by the Memphis Disc Golf Club & Bud Hill will be
happening the 2nd & 3rd of November, so BE THERE!
That's all for now. . . If you would like me to mail you the Tishomingo Fall Classic results to you, just let me know! It's late Sunday evening and I am WORN OUT!
Take care and keep those discs spinning. . .
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Hey, this is John k. the points guy. Are the full results from the tournament going to be posted in the forum or is someone sending that information to Jim O. Can't get points if we don't get the info. Look forward to posting the results... 15 of 18 tournaments this year have been posted and sent to the web guy to post on the website. Hope to see some out of towners at the halloween howler. Later
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CARYVILLE — When it comes to paying a contractor's bill for $16,510, Town Attorney Lyndia Spears told the Caryville Town Council on Aug. 13 that "calling their bluff" would be the best course of action.
The council approved Spears sending a letter of dispute and request of proof of documentation in reply to a contractor who sent the bill.
The bill was first discussed during the council's June 11 meeting.
Spears explained that the town received two grants of $20,000 to build Hodges and Sellers Park in Caryville in 2010.
"This was before my time, but as I understand it one of the parks went over budget," said Spears. "However the town had paid off the over amount, which was quite a bit over $20,000. This bill says that the town owes a principle amount of $16,510 but fails to provide documentation, which is why I strongly advise the town dispute the bill."
Spears said that the contractor has yet to provide documentation and at this time there is nothing else the town can do in the matter.
Supervisor of the Caryville Flea Market Paron Beeco came before the town council to give an update on preparations for the next Flea Across Florida, which will be held in September.
"We'll have people from the Council on Aging setting up a booth, we'll have food vendors, pony rides and live entertainment," said Beeco. "We're also raffling off a $50 Wal-Mart card."
Beeco suggested that the town consider possible deterrents to loiterers at the flea market.
"We need something like a stronger light or $250 fine for loiterers," said Beeco. "On July 31 an Ebro woman spent the night there and we've got a problem with graffiti."
Beeco was turned down for his request to be reimbursed for postage to mail out the Flea Across Florida promotional fliers as well as paint to cover graffiti on the flea market's tables.
"It's kind of stupid to send these fliers to those of us that live around here," said Council Member Nora Curry. "You should have sent them out to other towns and states and not those of us around here who already know all about the event."
The council approved of allowing New Zion Baptist Church to host an event at the Caryville Recreational Center for half the normal rental fee.
Starting at 5 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 12, there will be free hamburgers and hot dogs for the public as well as a free movie, "The Jesus Film," which starts at 6 p.m.
"Since it is a non-profit organization putting it together as a free service to the community we should at least consider waiving or reducing the fee," said Curry.
Council approved of submitting a grant application for a possible water park for Caryville.
Council Member Ransom Works informed the council that there was still a leak at the Caryville Recreational Center.
"It was pretty bad when the rains were hard," said Works. "We still can't figure out where it's coming from."
Council Member Jim Taylor said that he had informed the council for two years that the roof was "bad."
Council Member Millard French said he would bring back a quote for galvanized tin, which is the material the council agreed on to repair the roof.
"The town has no money so I suggest a fundraiser to raise money to fix the roof," said Chairman Henry Chambers.
The council also agreed to research a way to get the local library opened back up.
"After looking around I never realized how much that place has helped people," said French. "Mostly children but a lot of good was coming out of that place and we should see what we can do to get it up and running again."
The council approved of reimbursing a volunteer $60 in gas money to pick up the town's commodities from Shepherd's Gate Church.
French asked whom they would get to help retrieve the commodities coming in on Sept. 20, which is food reserved for almost 600 families in Caryville.
"We'll just have to find someone who needs the community service hours," said Chambers.
French requested that the council reevaluate the town hall employees.
"We've got one here that we pay her $590 per month and I don't understand why she's even on the payroll," said French. "We're drowning and scrimping for change and if there was someone at my job that didn't show they wouldn't have that position for long."
He suggested that they re-evaluate the position and pay.
"Just how hard can it be to pay bills?" asked French. "A week at Chipola and you'd be qualified to write a grant. I'm not saying pick up the local drunk but it's not rocket science."
The council agreed to table the discussion, compare the town hall positions and consider a new description for the next meeting.
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San Diego authorities have considered solutions ranging from falconry to fence removal, in an effort to ease the odor of bird droppings at La Jolla Cove, city records show.
The documents were received from Councilwoman Sheri Lightner's office through a request for public records on the bird poop problem, which has drawn unwelcome attention to the picturesque cove since fall.
"La Jolla finds itself caught in a morass of state regulations — and it stinks. Literally," Lightner stated in a Nov. 1 letter to Gov. Jerry Brown. "Due to years of accumulation of bird excrement at La Jolla Cove, there is a noxious stench that pervades much of the Village of La Jolla."
Recent rains have brought some relief, reducing the smell from an overpowering stench — likened by one resident to a mix of "rotting vinegar and human body odor" — to a more bearably brackish scent. But city officials said they're still seeking long-term solutions.
Lightner's office has coordinated odor elimination plans, but deferred to Mayor Bob Filner for updates on the problem. His office did not provide details, but Filner said in recent interview that he would take a "common sense approach" to poop removal.
"We're in discussions with federal and legal authorities," Filner said last week. "I hope it happens soon. Otherwise I'm going to come up instead and hose it down."
Kanani Brown, a spokeswoman for the California Coastal Commission, said officials recently discussed vacuuming the bird poop, but didn't provide a proposal on how they would do it. She said, however, that procedure might not require permits from her agency or from the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board.
"Removing would be preferable to washing it into the ocean for us," Brown said.
The foul smell drew national headlines and local ire late last year, as business owners and residents complained that the odor was turning stomachs and deterring customers. City officials received dozens of pitches for products and procedures aimed at solving the problem, correspondence showed, and considered myriad ways to stem the stench.
They also confronted a maze of state and federal regulations on water quality, wildlife and other issues that limited the actions they could take.
An e-mail from from Lightner's representative Erin Demorest to La Jolla community leaders detailed solutions that included installing bird spikes, adding removable tarps to cover the rocks, building offshore roosting areas, removing part of the fencing to let other animals scale the bluffs and scare away birds, or employing falconers to drive off the offending gulls, pelicans and cormorants.
Each came with its own drawbacks. Spikes or tarps would be unsightly, city officials noted. Washing off the rocks — floated as a possible remedy — would run afoul of water quality rules.
Jorge Herrera, a Glendora-based falconer whose raptors deter nuisance gulls at Hotel Del Coronado, said San Diego officials contacted him last year about patrolling La Jolla Cove, but said he was unable to consider the job because of other commitments. It's unclear whether the city is still considering using birds of prey at the cove.


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