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- Jimmy Strobl
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This conversation is closed.
What's your opinion on Unconditional Basic Income? (This is not Communism)
The Basic Income movement is one that is quickly gaining ground around the world. Both prominent right and left wing persons have given their support for this idea.
What's your thoughts on Basic Income, do you think it's a good idea?
EDIT: I forgot to mention (in case you haven't heard) that what sprout the movement was Switzerland's proposal for basic income ($2800 monthly). http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004
EDIT 2: This is NOT meant as a universal cure for all the problems of the world, things like education, politics, corruption and deceases are separate issues (even though Basic Income might help with them) if you wish to solve those issues please join or start a conversation about those. However discussing them with respect of BI is very fine and encouraged.
Please try to NOT sway too far from the topic, which is "What's your opinion on Unconditional Basic Income?". Comments to others opinions are of course free to go far from the topic, but preferably not too far.
And please try to be constructive and mature in your comments to others on this conversation.
Also please read AT LEAST the provided Wikipedia article on Basic income as it will answer many questions posted here.
Thank you for reading this explanation...(?)
Closing Statement from Jimmy Strobl
Wow, thank you ALL for your contributions to this conversation!
There's no way that I'm going to be able to summarize what was said here.
But I do feel that people might be ready for this transition or at least they are able to be convinced that it is feasible.
Anyway, thank you all for your participation and sorry for the lack of response the last few days.
Anders Mork
Jan 2 2014: Most of the world-wide problems we have today can be attributed to the level of consumerism we have, and UBI is a decent start for making a transition away from it.
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A currency-free society is of course utopic, but I sincerley hope that we arrive there during my lifetime.
Jan 2 2014: Hello fellow TZM dude! I fully agree!
Curt Welch
Dec 24 2013: A Basic Income is not only desperately needed, it's shortly going to be required. It's only a question of how long it takes people to figure out how important it is and vote for it.
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The driving force that makes it a necessity is technology -- all forms of it, from hammers and hoes, to tractors and telephones, all the way to our current robots and AI. All these technologies, when mixed with capitalism, drives inequality in society higher and higher.
Without technology, capitalism can create a fairly equal society, because human labor, is the keystone to the production of all value. No single human, can produce all that more wealth with his hands, than another. But the more technology we add to the mix, the wider the gap between the most productive and the least grows. And the wider that gap, the greater inequality grows. Technology causes our economy to shift from creating wealth with our hands, to creating wealth by what technology we own control of.
The shift has been very slow for the past 100's of years, and we have coped by adding growing amounts of socialism to out society in the form of making the rich pay for services for the poor, from roads, to schools, to the military that protects the poor, to all the direct welfare programs. But technology is growing too fast now, to allow us to offset the effects of inequality with more social programs. We need to stop shifting wealth form the rich to the poor, in the form of free government services, and start doing it as a direct cash transfer to offset excess inequality.
A Basic Income is the solution to the growing levels of inequality created by technology. We should have started it 100 years ago, as a small payment, but people weren't ready to even think about it. We need it badly today, and if we had had it in place, we likely would have avoided this last big recession. But most still don't understand it, or accept it.
But soon enough, they will catch on, and vote for it.
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Dec 25 2013: This kind of response is particularly frustrating. What, specifically, was incorrect, bad, wrong or what have you, about the Soviet Socialist policy of guaranteed housing etc? You cannot attribute this policy to the collapse of the Soviet Union (when the same policy survives elsewhere in Europe), and when the Soviet Union was at war with an ideologically opposed West hell bent on destroying it. It was clearly not the economic policies of the West that 'won' this war, as the recent financial crisis makes abundantly plain.
Dec 26 2013: Frustrating indeed....
Joe West
Dec 26 2013: Mike We agree!
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Throw in the Paulson & Co, Goldman Sachs CDO insider rigging as a contributor to the collapse. That alone resulted in billions of lost revenue, and given the monkey see monkey do mentality of the markets, you have a recession.
The unregulated cronies you speak of.
Sorry my mistake, it is not lost revenue, it is wealth redistribution to John Paulson&Co.
Jeff z
Jan 6 2014: This movement is actually very important at this current time. Im glad to see it brought up. The basic income can be the way that benefits should work in society. For example, we have many government agencies aimed at providing benefits like food stamps and unemployment benefits. However the mere cost of running these organizations is not worth the cost to society. The money as a Reverse income Tax, or a basic minimum income would be much more efficiently used to help those in need. Of course, people will abuse and free ride the system but the efficiency of doing this is much better than current programs.
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Todd Trader
Dec 24 2013: Why settle for a "Basic" income? Why not "give" out basic education covering such material of the importance of savings, work ethics, money management, living within your means, etc, etc....with this knowledge more folks would escape government funded poverty than just live within a "basic" wage.
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Dec 26 2013: I'm not settling for anything, this is just one aspect of societal issues with a possible solution.
But when talking about BI and education. In the pilots that have been made and are ongoing in different places of the world education levels have greatly increased.
Oh and here we already have free education in Sweden... It did not solve our issues.Dec 29 2013: Oh that sounds splendid! Because all poor people didn't graduate high school, so cant add or subtract to calculate savings, have no work ethics, waste their money instead of managing it, and live far beyond their means. After all, there's no reason that a nuclear family with one person working minimum wage, a disabled husband and a screaming kid at home shouldn't be able to wrap their mind around a little simple arithmetic to save up for retirement!
If every single person in the country had a phd, who would deliver my pizza? It's not gonna deliver itself!
And the ceo of the company still wouldn't pay me more than as little as he could get away with.
Dec 29 2013: You're argument is based on emotion, not any fact. Though you believe my money, and everybody else's money should be taken by any government and "spent" with those whom have less of it.
One key element you overlook, is if you took everything away from me and others like me....I would EARN it, and buy it back. I would not just say, "well dag nab it! I guess now I must wait on my monthly allowance from the government."
So grasp your mind around the fact what I know and the majority of others know about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, is far more valuable than my money, which can be spent in a day, but the TRUTH about personal responsibility can last a lifetime and learned to carry forward for generations to come.
Delivering your pizza is a starter job, supplemental job. These jobs are for people just getting into the job market while they find what it is they really want to pursue....and if this is where your at, you shouldn't be thinking about adding debt, having children, or being a burden to yourself, your family, or your community. You should be thinking about your next step in an ever evolving PRODUCTFUL life.
Dec 29 2013: My argument is absolutely based on emotion. I find it incredibly insulting that the personal attributes of a poor person are being referred to with no basis on reality. the reasons for being poor can be many, most especially the economic system we have currently where employers will pay as little as they can get away with.
My maid is poor. not lazy, not irresponsible, not stupid and excellent work ethic. She married her rapist. She did not choose to create a life or be saddled with a deadbeat husband, and it was not her, but society that said she cant have an education.
I pay what I can, but until I get paid more or she finds a richer boss, this is what I can do. She is not alone. A single example.
Do you think that every one of the billion people earning less than $1.25 a day is lazy?
I never delivered Pizzas but I did work at Mcdonald's when I was 16, right next a 45 yr old woman. I don't know her story and it doesn't matter. She was none of the above things except for not being educated. Life is not absolute. The economic system we have does not guarantee particular increments for education or hard work. It's a cop out to ignore the mentally ill, the people who put their trust in the wrong person, or the myriad reasons people end up where they are. Then to tell them.. take personal responsibility...what an inhumane , ridiculous, elitist, uncompassionate thing to say.Dec 24 2013: I have collected a lot of links on Basic Income for the last few years.
Dec 26 2013: Thank you for sharing Khannea!
Steven Why
Dec 23 2013: Mike, I couldn't reply below, i've done it here.
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Mike - "So, a youngster, feeling lost, lonely and unloved is a ticking time bomb. I, for one, have no idea on how to defuse it."
We are seeing more and more, time bombs, we've seen school shootings - many which now don't get reported unless there is a large number involved. We see angry young men who have murdered people in schools, cinemas, we have seen the youngest and most innocent of children be slain. Only for time and again for the perpetrator to take their own seemingly valueless life as well, and end it all in a desperate final act of rage.
We've seen the lost of family, where people just don't have time for each other, as people have to work either multiple jobs, or oppressively long hours - just to make ends meet. We are seeing the second generation of divorce, where everyone eating a meal at the same table is only a long forgotten memory occasionally show in a tv commercial.
Where young people are more plugged in than every before, and yet simultaneously more disconnected. More and more removed from the reality of life, it's the same reason people now more than ever take drugs. And no one wants to ask the core question what is it about society that makes people feel they have to do this, why do they need to 'check out'?
It's not too hard, if people want to look on forums, boards else where just how isolated youngsters feel today, just how depressed they are, just how many are either thinking of and are committing suicide, and in the song below, in which he asks 'are we to blind to see", "do we simply turn our heads and look the other way", i think that over the past 40 years since it was recorded, we've done just that.
If people can't see that Unconditional Basic Income, just may, have the ability to change that by giving people that very helping hand, then god help us all.
And when you watch that video - know every day 40,000 children die... In the Ghetto
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Joe West
Dec 23 2013: Hi Mike
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I can't help but see the "Re-distribution" of wealth framing in so many replies. Which side is the concern on, No one can doubt the redistrubiton from the masses to the few.
Is this the concern you speak of? I have yet to see the direction reverse?
Also we have to remember that money is purely a man-made structure.
The arguements claiming insufficient funds are debating angels on the head of a needle.Dec 23 2013: Mike I attach an infographic that for the USA shows where current money goes.
Now some might not believe there is enough money, well it's all too clear where, if we change our priorities, exactly where that money can come from.
I hope this educates people as to what and where the money that they pay actually goes.
And I ask every individual to look into their hearts this Christmas to ask themselves honestly if where this money is currently going serves, not only the USA in the long term, but for the best interests of mankind as a whole.
I'd disagree with the ipad comment Mike, if only it has brought a lot of income to the US as well as jobs, at a company level (apple) and at an individual software developer level. Things not often seen, and not often said. As well as the new infrastructure built, just as the legacy of FDR did albeit in roads, trains, bridges, but this time the infrastructure is one of higher data transmission, roads of the future. Something that America was falling behind with until the release of the iphone and ipad.
If your looking for a culprit that corrupts children Mike, then I would say look at the media. The culture of celebrity, where the youth see them as role models, when the media spend more time on them and the minutia of their lives than the real issues of today.
They are the distraction that has stopped people from seeing what's happening in the USA and the world, or to know or care. Given that, is no wonder we have seen the rise of reality shows, who's sole aim is to distract with mind numbing banality, and in some cases create envy, or worst still create in the youth's mind a path to follow to be reveled in. Where the people are just famous not for any achievement, but just for being on tv. Where the goal is not to create, but consume. And why many a sex tape, or soul, has be sold to get on that kind of tv, regardless of the consequences.Dec 24 2013: There is plenty of money to fund a Basic Income. It's total nonsense to suggest otherwise. We can do it world wide, or country by country. The point of a Basic Income is to redistribute wealth so as to lower inequality. You take some form the rich, and give to the poor. The only way there would not be "enough" money to implement a Basic Income, is if there was no inequality in the world. There is massive inequality in the world so to implement a Basic Income is trivial. It's only a matter of will.
In the US for example, we have talked about a BI on the level of about $12K a year, or $1K a month for every adult being reasonable. That's about 20% of GDP. That's a lot of money. But it could be implemented with a 20% income tax and a 20% corporate profit tax. Someone with zero income, would pay no taxes, and get $12K a year. Someone with $60K of income, will pay $12K of taxes, and get $12K of BI making it wash. Someone with $60 million of income, will pay $12 million in taxes, and get $12K of BI making them a huge contributor.
Every home, with less than $60K per adult (aka $120K for two adults) will come out ahead after the BI tax. Everyone with more than that, will pay greater taxes under this structure of a BI.
There is NO ECONOMIC PROBLEM to implement this. It's only a matter of making people vote for it.
Much of these taxes would be paid for, by reducing most our current social programs. So we won't all get a 20% tax rise, but a 10% rise would be needed for this size BI.
But the way to start, is with a smaller BI, and smaller taxes. Maybe as low as $200 a month, then raise the BI over time, as we cut out our current welfare programs.
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Dec 24 2013: Mike, "We should ROB Peter to pay Paul"?
Actually you wouldn't be, because it was Peter's money in the first place.
Too often people forget the money the government has is NOT it's own, it's yours. You get to decide if you want it spent on weapons of war, or on humanity, it's called - Democracy.
Ask yourself why do you pay taxes on goods that the government, didn't make, didn't invent, didn't work on, and don't sell? Because someone came along and said "I'll tell you what to do, how to do it, what you can and cant do and for that, you'll have to pay me". And people fell for it.
I end this on a laugh, but in laughing see that even 40 years on, there is "truth in humor"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0Dec 24 2013: Mike, you are totally correct that this is not "free" money. No matter how it's implemented, it will redistribute from the rich, to the poor. People need to understand this.
However, it is very much morally valid to do this, and that's what is so hard for people to grasp. There's a huge misunderstanding in society that people think they "earn" their wealth. That's just not true in a large society where we all trade with each other for the things we need day by day. We don't create the wealth individual. We create it as a team working together.
I can't write enough to make this clear in this post. It deserves an entire book be written about this misconception. But what's happening, is that technology is allowing those that own the best tech, to steal opportunity away from others trying to "earn" their money. It's the strong, pushing the weak around, using technology to do it. As our technology advances, the ability for a few, to steal the wealth of the entire world, away from everyone else advances with it. They "steal' our opportunity to earn a living, and we have the moral right, to steal some of the wealth back (aka share the wealth) when they do that.
Mark Zuckerberg created great tech with Facebook. He's worth Billions today because of it. This 10 years of work, has paid off to the tune of 5 million dollars a day for him. That gives him a right, to a large slice of our country's total GDP. His 10 years of programming, and running a small company, has now entitled him the right, to 19 billion dollars of our GDP. The average family income is around $55K a year. His money, now gives him the right, to have 8,500 people that earn $55k, spend their entire 40 year working life, doing anything Mark wants them to do. So Mark donates 10 years of his live to society, and gets 340,000 years of labor in return from society.
Mark's sucess, in effect, has prevented all those other people, from working for anyone else.Dec 24 2013: Yeah, Mike, I fully understand why you and many others are against wealth redistribution. But times are changing, and you have to learn to change too. Without wealth redistribution, our society will collapse and fail. When one person invents robots that are 10 times more intelligent than any human, and they choose to make as much money off the invention as they can, instead of sharing it, they will take over the entire world economy. The only other people that will have money is other very rich members of society, who own resources like oil wells, and land, and coal mines, iron ore mines and the like. The guy that invents the robots, will sell his tech to all the other rich, and all the rest of the humans, will be left with no one to employ them. They won't have money to buy any consumer goods, so all the rich will stop trying to sell the poor stuff, like food, and just sell high end goods and services to the few rich that have all the money and natural assets of society. We will have 6.9 billion poor on the planet and 100 million super rich that own all the land and natural resources and robots. The rich, will use their robots to herd the poor into death camps and reservations in the Sahara desert and let them starve to death. This time, the rich won't need the poor, to tend the fields, or build the castles for them. This transformation in society is already well under way in society today, and people are blind to it, because, like you, they think "humans" do all the work and deserve to keep the "money" they "make". Humans don't do much of the work at all anymore. Machines do it all. Mark Z. is rich, not becuase of what the humans that work for him do, but becuase of what his machines do for his 1 billion users.
I fully understand why this doesn't make sense to you. But in time, you will understand what I'm saying as you see your friends and family being replaced by machines. The more that happens, the more we need to share wealth.
Joe West
Dec 25 2013: Mike
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You are correct money is trade for goods and services. The text you are reading says money is to be used for power and control.
My Econ 101 take away is far different from yours, I see money as a means for equal opportunity and growth. Not a means to control and even allow death to those without.Dec 25 2013: "If you understand, how could you sustain your argument for wealth distribution?" Because I understand what you are failing to grasp. You think machines won't replace humans, but you are dead wrong and in time, you will grasp your error.
"And your contention the the rich are some sort of maniacal group bent on mass annihilation of the poor can not be farther from the truth"
Not my contention at all. Again, you fail to understand. I don't blame the rich and the fact that you think I do, shows again how clueless you are. I blame the system for creating inequality. I don't blame the rich for being rich like some liberals do, and I don't blame the poor for being poor, like some conservatives do. I blame the technology of capitalism, mixed with advanced machine, for creating the inequality. If you play the game of Monopoly by the rules, the game rules are what creates inequality not the players. One person gets rich, everyone else loses. It's not the fault of the winner for wining, or the losers for losing. It's the way the game is rigged by how the rules work. Our society is rigged by the rules we play by as well.
We can change the rules of the board game of monopoly and create a very different result. If every time someone wins money in the game, they have to take half of their winnings, and share it with all the other players, the game becomes every different. No one ever goes bankrupt. Everyone gets to keep playing. One person will be richest at one point, a bit later, someone else will be the richest.
Technology is transforming our free trade economy into a real life game of monopoly where there will only be one winner. Technology is driving inequality higher, and higher, and it will end with billions of people in poverty, and a few lucky people owning the world. We can add a Basic Income to change the rules of society, just as in my example above, I added a basic income sharing to the board game.
Dec 29 2013: I like your analogy to monopoly, only, in the game you go bankrupt, but in real life, you sell your house, work for whatever you can get or become homeless or both, and in countries without even public aid, you become a slave or die of starvation.Dec 30 2013: An interesting and very relevant fact: Did you know that monopoly was constructed to show the intrinsic faults of the capitalistic system?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game)#HistoryDec 25 2013: Mike says: "Man will never be replaced by machines... if man makes machines that can replace us... we are all doomed. I read science fiction too!"
Machines will be our slaves. We will only build the type of machines, that we can control. Humans are survival machines. We are built to keep ourselves alive and to reproduce. We could build machines with the same motivations, but then they would kill us, in order to take control away from us to increase their odds of surviving. But we can make intelligent machines, that have different motivations than humans. Instead of building smart machines that have an innate goal of self preservation, we will built smart machines with innate goals of serving humans. These will be highly intelligent machines, but won't use their intelligence to keep themselves alive. They will use it to do the best job possible of making humans happy.
Just imagine a human slave, that doesn't have any motivation for self preservation that all humans have. Imagine a human slave, that only wants to make it's masters happy and would gladly, in a second, sacrifice it's own life, or cut off it's own arm, if that was the best way to help a human. Imaging a human slave, that would like you take a hammer, and bash it's hand into bits, and not think twice about you doing it because if that's what a human wants to do, it will gladly let the human do it. That's the type of robots that will build. Very intelligent, but with very different drives and motivations than humans
These "slaves" will do all our work for us. They will do it better than any human ever could do the work for us. McDonald's and Wal-mart will replace all it's store workers with machines like this. Factories in China will replace it's millions of $10 a day workers, with robots like these. UPS, Fedex, USPS, Amazon, and all trucking, will replace all their workers with robots like these. All taxi companies will replace their drivers, with robots like these.Dec 24 2013: Steven there will always be those who can not see beyond the money, perhaps because that is what is most important to them. However, the UBI is imminently possible for those who can see beyond such a narrow view and who know the first step in any transition is the desire to change the way things are and to not get bogged down by those who desperately cling to the status quo, even if that quo is to their disadvantage.
As I have said many times, if we can put human beings on the moon and then bring them back safely, then in comparison to that real world event, it is small potatoes indeed to remedy the inequities of an economic system that exists primarily in our minds and has only as much substance as we allow it.
The personal freedom and greater control over one's own life that a UBI represents is surely some timely thinking in this 21st century.
Steven Why
Dec 24 2013: William your right, there will always be those who can not see beyond the money. And it's astute to realize that it to them has value.
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Again your right about the moon, but I see beyond that, I see that all it takes is the will, and when we have that determination, things will change. And there is nothing that cant.
It also makes me think that's why the statement is true "The people get the Government they deserve". If only because we 'assume' there is nothing we can do, and so we devolve our self of responsibility, as a way out of having to do anything, and then just blame the people we gave our responsibility to. Then vote once every 4 years and claim it doesn't matter, so for many why bother to do even that.
The Ancient Greeks knew what we have forgot, "Democracy is a day-to-day business". Same for Rome, until a Cesar snatched power, and never let it return to the people, rather like a presidential executive order, no? After all where do people think the knowledge of architecture for capitol hill came from, or the ideology of a senate, a congress, and even Democracy itself. And even the phrase a "Government by the people, for the people".
But we live in times like Rome, regarding UBI, just as Cesar knew, just keep the mass's distracted by throwing people to the lions and send armies of to conquer, and all will stay as was.
Question is, do we want to sit by and carry on seeing people being "thrown to the lions", that is - until they come for us. Or do we accept that, in this 21st century, with "personal freedom" comes "responsibility", they are and always have been - a package deal.
Dec 24 2013: absolutely, this too easily corrupted representative system is at the heart of so many of the world's problems and has little to do with real democracy. In fact, I call it a sham democracy and it is no accident that there is no educational curriculum that informs its young people what democracy really means, the various forms it can take and that its foundation is supposed to be consensus based not authoritarian based.Dec 14 2013: I see a UBI as the harbinger of real, personal freedom of choice, especially freedom from that tired old jobs/career mantra as the defining -albeit very limited - point of a person's life. Conversely, as far as capitalism seems to be concerned. without wealth, or a job, or a career, what value does a person really have?
But a UBI opens the door to true, personal freedom of choice. The freedom to choose how we will spend the limited time our lives offer us. Both the Arts and amateur sports community would explode with expression and talent. Families would have both the time and the resources to spend with their children, to care full time for the infirm and elderly, as well as the time to mourn the loss of a loved one for however long that process might take. Volunteerism would also explode and countless studies over the ages have shown that volunteerism creates a wealth of social capital for the community and personal worth for the volunteer that far exceeds the wages any job ever could. The freedom to pursue whatever educational endeavours one might seek, whenever one might desire. The freedom to choose the focus and direction of our own lives on a daily basis without the nagging coerciveness of jobs and careers, as well as the freedom to also explore whatever jobs and careers one might be attracted to if so inclined.
Freedom of employers from having to keep employees on when markets are down and to offer incentives other than, or companion to, wages such as vehicles, condo and, the company's products if that is what it takes. The freedom to locate to whatever community best suits the business without all the animosity and disappointment we witness today when a company packs up and moves on. And, especially, the freedom to automate and replace human beings in their operations if possible.
I hope others will take the time to expand upon what such freedom would mean to them as well.
Dec 15 2013: William,
I feel that you can speak for me on this conversation, I have nothing to add.
Dec 16 2013: Jimmy, thanks a ton for posting the talk. As you see I have a lot of passion for the concept ever since I attended the 2008 Dublin BIEN conference and presented a paper representing my earliest thoughts on a BI and the personal freedom it represents.
Dec 16 2013: Do you have some papers you could share, I'd like to read them.
And I didn't realize that you've been doing this for so long, great work!Dec 17 2013: The Dublin conference is all online http://www.cori.ie/Justice/Basic_Income/541-bien-world-congress-on-basic-income-
my paper is in section 4e economic security in Canada. But any of the annual Bien conferences will provide you with similar information online. You might want to attend the next conference next June in Montreal Quebec.
wayne uejio
Dec 15 2013: William,
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I would say you are giving the freedom to try and not be afraid of dire consequences of failure.
Dee Lightner
Jan 7 2014: I think that in ANY society there will always be those who make a lot of money and those who barely get by and those who do not even get by. I think it is a social responsibility to be sure that EVERY citizen has at least the means to pay for housing, food, utilities, the means to get and keep a job, and if no jobs are avaialable, the means to survive in a decent fashion, provided by the government (the taxpayers).
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I also think it is important that we all realize that the idea that those who must rely on public assistance of some kind are lazy, shiftless parasites. Nothing could be further from the truth.
and I think we need, as a society, to stop being so mean to each other, that we begrudge another human being the money it takes to live decently. It that means we need some sort of unconditional basic income, then I am all for it! It is NOT communism, or even charity, It is the answer to WWJD!
David Lash
Jan 6 2014: Since our society is morphing into 3 or 4 castes;1. The under class without much hope of employment(this will get much worse); 2. A middle class who are employed but without much savings/capital; and 3. the upper class with capital that produces their living and without even wanting a job. They have the luxury of doing whatever they wish; 4. then there are the retired, somewhat a combination. The great danger, is without an income floor, the lower caste will not be able to tell this from another great depression. This will lead to violence in the form of (un)civil war and terrorism.
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It is in every ones best interest to ensure universal minimum income!
Jan 7 2014: Morphing into? You've described the industrial world as it has operated since the middle 18th century.
Jan 7 2014: And how is it working today? Fine for the upper class, but the middle class is being squeezed and the "lower class" is in serious trouble. Perhaps not as much as in the late 19th Century, but expectations have been raised.
Ray Butler
Jan 6 2014: People think that if you give people what they need they wont want to work, then all those who do work carry a bunch of non-contributors through life. I think they are looking at it wrong; a person who is content with some standard allocation may not need to work but they do not consume, not on the level that people with money to spare do, it actually makes things more sustainable.
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People who do work no doubt will get their compensation for doing so, and with that can acquire their rewards, rewards that one who does not work will not have access to. So if you are happy with a standard allocation then fine, if not then work and earn more, but don't complain about those who are content with the standard.
But what is a persons potential? Is it being all they want to be or is it being all society wants them to be? Or perhaps some balance of the two? At what point is a line drawn in self-determination and social obligation? Is it self-sufficiency (relative to a persons membership to a society)? I think it is societies duty to prepare each person with the abilities necessary to strive for their own potential, however they define it personally, if they prove a contributor or not is beside the point, a contributor will be rewarded while someone who is merely embracing their own potential will be satisfied. And best if you can do both.
When you think about Capitalism, it is founded on the principle that when a person strives for themselves, the rest of society inadvertently benefits, but the true meaning of this philosophy is lost on modern Capitalism, my point here is the real incarnation of the sentiment.
Jan 5 2014: Well, Jimmy; that didn't take long. I've become a member of Avaaz, signed the petition to stop, or at least to curtail the TPP, and added the Avaaz website to my 'Favourites' links. Thank you, again.Jan 5 2014: I think in order to make this work there should be a new kind of global union that works as an efficient economy; and all countries that join this kind of union would run on the same kind of currency (i.e. a dollar system), this could eliminate the WTO and European Union. Every country could join this potential union. Allow 'basic income', and enforce ethical business practices with MNCs? Just an idea though. Hope you find my collaboration helpful.
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Jan 5 2014: Sorry I don't have a bit longer, for this reply at the moment; however off the top of my head, and I don't want to go off at a tangent; but the Global Union that you speak of;
Instead of the "Old Boy/Establishment/Corporate - Government Party" facilitated.... Common - Wealth and Tax Payer funded or owned Utilities; "Privatizing"; "Networks/Unions" of Business and Commerce (Big Brother) which have been in control for centuries.
Is "Universal Democracy"; which would operate according to its fundamental principles of "True Democracy" as originally defined; rather than the self serving interests of "Political Party Agendas"; which go into the form, of both the skeleton and the body/corpus;
Of all of the current corrupt and fake democracies; that both dishonestly, and hypocritically claim to be public servants, serving the will of the people; who they consistently continue to lie to, and "defraud', in order to gain power over, and rule, rather than serve.
E.g. Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction (Between one and a half and two million protested on the streets of London; and yet Blood on his Hands Blair, still continued to lie and overruled the Will of the People) is a prime example.
And as such;
I would no more trust a "Party Politician" to tell the truth; than I would trust any "Party Politician" with the truth.
Cheers Carl
Jan 9 2014: Hi Carl,
Let's get rid of political parties and go straight to direct democracy!
Jan 9 2014: And introduce a universal right, for all children of both genders and all races to receive a state/ tax payer funded education, from nursery school - kindergarden (3-5) to University. Because it should be remembered that those who make the greatest profits, from education are the Big Brother Corporations who demand educational qualifications; and take advantage of those who are educationally qualified, to expand their businesses/profiteering; but pay nothing in, towards the system that they are taking advantage of.Jan 6 2014: Hi Derrick,
I envision something similar as well. We have several multilateral agencies currently that could be expanded to fill the role.
I think the main obstacle is corruption and human rights in a lot of countries. For example, one of the countries involved in either the rwandan genocide or the second congo war, was given lots of foreign aid, and 4 BILLION dollars promptly disapeared.
The EU has criteria that applicant countries have to fulfill before joining and I can easily see the EU expand globally. So, if UBI was implemented in the EU, then expanded that would be a very good thing.
I know politics can be nasty, but if certain policies were put into place, it could work out. For one, if there was a policy of distributing UBI equally, school funds by population, law enforcement funds by population, etc. The problem I think comes from individual projects being allocated funds, so it becomes a territorial issue.
Just think, if the whole world were under one government, then there's nobody to fight with. No need for armies, just law enforcement.
Helen Hupe
Jan 5 2014: I think it could be both. I can make lots of money competing (BUT BEING HONEST) and I can choose ways to be compassionate with my resources. If I have more, then more is expected of me is my belief.
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Jimmy Strobl
Jan 4 2014: Here's an article that Manishka shared some days ago that many may not have read.
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It brings up many examples of programs and research on what happens when you just give money away. Google was for instance so impressed by the research that they donated $2.5 million to GiveDirectly.
You should all read it!
Jan 4 2014: I just did; and only wish in regard to its content, that it could be (become) universally read.by all.
However I also believe, that the international imposition and the iniquity of differing monetary values; and money exchanging profiteering, by the "parasitic" progeny, and disciples of those who were driven from the temple; needs to be eradicated first.
Will either add to this reply later, or add another comment to the general conversation later
Cheers carlDec 31 2013: My opinion of basic income is that it could sincerely alleviate many problems for the lowest income earners. However, like so many good intentioned remedies it could have some unforeseen consequences. I recently took part in a discussion on Hubski about basic income: http://hubski.com/pub?id=123039 and someone there had this to say which I found appropriate:
"I see it as an inevitability. The US is inefficiently subsidizing vast populations of workers that work full time at less than a living wage. i.e. you work 40+ hours per week at Walmart, then get subsidized housing, healthcare, and possibly food assistance. This is federal subsidization of an otherwise unsustainable corporate strategy.
We have constantly gained productivity over the last century, but that hasn't translated into less necessary work to provide for the essentials of living. At some point, we have to ask whether or not this is how we intend to spend all gains in productivity, and if work is how we fulfill the public contract of sympathetic coexistence.
$15k is in the neighborhood. It would have to be pinned to inflation." -hubski user "mk"
I do wonder how a basic income in the US would effect illegal immigration too?
Jimmy, I see that you are Swedish and as such likely have a far better grasp on what's happening over in Switzerland etc. What's the consensus in Sweden about basic income?
Dec 31 2013: Now that is a very fine threading system compared to this one here at TED...
...I'm sorry I'm writing my thoughts down.
Hi Michael!
Yes, it could have unintended consequences but no one has still been able to present me with a (according to me) plausible one...
What's your general thoughts on how it could affect illegal immigration to the US? I don't think that it will matter much as BI would be given to citizens.
Hmm, I didn't even reflect that I might have a better idea because of where I live... I mainly live on the internet so I think we all have equal opportunity to get at that information. And Swedish media basically hasn't covered it at all yet, people here are generally very unaware of the concept of BI and what's happening in the world with this.
But there is however a rapidly forming grassroots movement here, just in the last month groups have been formed in at least 12 of the bigger cities. And I think that we'll have it much easier than the US will to implement something like this. The general Scandinavian mentality is still to take pride in taking care of each other through social structures. And there's an election in 9 months so big things might happen but it's not mentioned by anyone yet. And we basically only have one party (that I think will get about 5-10% of the votes) that could even dream of proposing this in our political climate...
But who knows what's going to happen, we've been suffering greatly from our right-wing elected government for the last 8 years and there's great consensus that they are not going to win the next election.
Dec 31 2013: >I mainly live on the internet so I think we all have equal opportunity to get at that information.
That's true enough and I too share your habitat. Isn't it true that the line between IRL and online is nearly extinguished? Still, I asked the question because when you are from a specific local you tend to spend more time (even on the Internet) with people of that local. I've had a number of conversations of late about BI but none with anyone from Switzerland and being that you are European, perhaps you have more insight in to the practical implications Sweden is undergoing? -It was a stretch, no doubt.
>The general Scandinavian mentality is still to take pride in taking care of each other through social structures
What an amazing thing to have ingrained in your culture. Unfortunately, while this exists in the US to a lesser degree, we have always been governed with a [manifest destiny](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny) that suggests that we ought to be able to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps without govt help.
>What's your general thoughts on how it could affect illegal immigration to the US? I don't think that it will matter much as BI would be given to citizens.
When you have a child in the US, even if you are not a US citizen then that child will be a US citizen. Therefore, some people suggest that immigrants will cross the border to give birth and thus their child will be given the amenities that come with citizenship. I'm not sure if these thoughts are founded or not.
Thanks for the reply and happy new year!
Jan 1 2014: Hi Michael,
Your quote of the other member is very apt indeed!
You know those times when you spend a great deal of time and energy trying to do enough justice to a thought, then someone else comes along and says it more perfectly. Concise.
"This is federal subsidization of an otherwise unsustainable corporate strategy." a much more diplomatic way of putting it!
How can this affect illegal immigration? We've already got it, and already dealing with it. The US actually benefits from this since it's a destination country for brain drain.
If UBI is done in increments, and if it's implemented worldwide, It could balance things out well.
Helen Hupe
Dec 29 2013: @Jonny Mac.....You are right...there are many inconsistencies that need to be looked at. If everyones' basic needs are satisfied, we would probably have maybe a little less crime. As for the wealthy who would try to not pay for value received, which according to present law is legal but not moral, then there has to be a restraint against such behavior. At present in my country, crime cloaks itself in legality and creates opportunities for people to step on the backs of others. A justice system would have to be set up to remove such from free society. Peace
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Johnny Mac
Dec 31 2013: I agree with you...A functional justice system that support a "just wage" or an Unconditional Basic income would require lots of cooperation and some crafty engineering politically. I think it can be done if you look at Ricardo Semler's success with participative management...perhaps positive ideas can grow with the right state of mind.
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Thanks for the response. :)Dec 29 2013: The most attractive part of the unconditional basic income, is that people will always choose to work under fair conditions because their basic rights and supplies are guaranteed, applying this politics will put an end to modern day slavery, human traffic, sexual trafficking, robbery and many other social issues, which exist as a consequence of survivalist behaviour.
Dec 29 2013: Yes, this is a very good argument, no boss would ever be able to treat you like shit because you would just walk away. This would widely increase happiness among all and improve every aspect of working conditions.
Dec 29 2013: In terms of subjective happiness or well being, the long term effects of UBI are not so clear...since most individuals compare their own situations in relation to that of their peers....so, it may well be the the case that none of us see UBI as a good thing, because everybody has one....follow me?
Dec 29 2013: I do completely follow you, haven't thought of that aspect before.
But there are also a lot of other aspects that that govern happiness. like health, education, crime rates and mobility to mention a few.
And UBI is not communism, this is not the grand revolt where we take everything from the rich and become them ourselves in time. The factory owner will still own his factory in a UBI, Bill gates will still have his money in the bank.Dec 30 2013: I'd add to it not just working conditions, but moral objections as well.
I love the term you used in this context "survivalist". It's very aptly descriptive of the majority of the world.
Having the choice, I do believe people won't work for companies that require them to lie or cheat. Can you imagine people voluntarily being telemarketers?
Dec 30 2013: With regards to my previous post of automation and you mentioning telemarketers, this article is a really good example of how automation is taking every aspect of our jobs.
Dec 30 2013: Oh no! that sounds awful. and it's just gonna get better and better at not being detected!Dec 30 2013: Awful or wonderful, as you said who wants to be a telemarketer...
Dec 31 2013: Well that's true,, a positive side to it, i was kinda hoping to have the whole profession,,, err process dismantled...ok we'll have to work out strategies for this,, but first ...the luxury of humans not having to do it!
Frank Barry
Dec 28 2013: Unconditional Basic Income?
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I will try here to explain while I complain.
I Received a new computer for Christmas. It has a new black keyboard.
My fingers won't stop making mistakes.
We all are Taxed-Payers in one way or another.
We need a Unconditional Basic Income. Pure Water, Adequate Food, Effective Waste
Management, Shoes, Clothing, Housing, Healthcare (not health insurance), and Utilities.
In the last 100 years in America, Taxed-Payers have paid enough to the IRS to easily
accomplish these needs.
Our Governments collect our Taxes, in one way of another.
They spend our needs on;
Protecting us all with never ending Wars that kill and maim innocent men, women,
and wee babes, including our sons and daughters, Providing us with Justice to keep
Prisons overflowing, Allowing the Banking Cartels to dip their beaks and rape our treasuries
causing Depressions and unemployment.
I could go on, as it sickens me, but TED readers are well versed,
and my fingers do not cooperate today.
Dec 28 2013: You really got a grasp on things, I did not expect that from reading the first few lines!
Great comment!
Helen Hupe
Dec 29 2013: I agreeDec 28 2013: After reading the bulk of comments/ideas listed below, I have come to a very simple conclusion. It is apparent that those that have the most are willing to contribute the least when it comes to improving the lives of ALL our people. If those that had the least found it easier to take care of themselves and their families, crime rates, immorality, and even murders may wane. Productivity would rise.and success might be seen by more than just those that have much. By stimulating the ability of ALL people to have access to basic needs, life couldn't be about just survival and this world would be a better place to live in.
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So you're on your way to Paris or thinking about coming to our wonderful and beautiful City of Light. Paris has hundreds of famous landmarks, and it's impossible to see them all in a short visit, but we've highlighted some of our favourites. With the exception of Versailles, they are all only a few minutes' walk from the nearest metro. If you can't visit all of them, try to get a glimpse for a great photo opportunity and memory.
Eiffel Tower
No visit to Paris would be complete without at least a glimpse of Paris's most famous landmark. At the time of its construction in 1887, it was the world's tallest structure and, at 324 meters, is still the tallest structure in Paris. You can ascend the tower to any one of 3 levels, with the lower levels accessible by either stairs or elevators whilst the summit is only accessible by lift. By taking the stairs you can avoid the worse of the queues. Although it can be best viewed from all over Paris, the best photo opportunity is from the Trocadero just across the river.
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Open: 9.30am-00.45 am.
Entrance: 2nd floor (stairs): 4.70€, 3.70€. 2nd floor (elevator): 8.20€, 6.60€. Top: 13.40€, 11.80€ Tel 01 44 11 23 23
Metro: Bir-Hakeim, Trocadero, Ecole Militaire , RER : Champs des Mars
Champs Elysées
Probably the most famous street in the world, and after New York City's 5th Avenue, the 2nd most expensive real estate, that runs for 2 km between the Place de la Concorde and the Arc de Triomphe. The western end, nearest the Arc, is lined with cinemas, sidewalk cafes, glitzy restaurants (such as the famous Fouquet's) and luxury brand shops (including the largest Louis Vuitton store in the world). Other famous names on the Champs include: Planet Hollywood, Virgin Megastore, Europe's largest Gap, The Disney Store, and Pub Renault. Further down towards Place de la Concorde, the shops give way to trees and lawns with statues and grandiose buildings such as the Grand Palais. The 'Champs' is the location of many festivities, some organised such as the Bastille Day Parade or the finish of the Tour De France, and many more spontaneous ones such as celebrations of sporting triumph.
Arc de Triomphe
At one end of the Champs-Elysées stands a giant arch commemorating French military victories particularly those during the Napoleonic Wars. At 51m high & 45m wide, it is so large that in 1919 a pilot flew his biplane through the centre. The Arc is best known for the backdrop of military victory parades, both by the Germans (1871 & 1940) and the French & Allies (1918,1944 & 1945). Beneath the Arc is the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier with an eternal flame burning in memory of the unidentified dead from 2 World Wars. On the top of the Arc is an observation platform providing stunning views, down the 12 avenues, radiating from the busy roundabout below.
Open: 10am-11.00pm (Closed July 14th in the morning)
Entrance: 8€, 5.00€ (students 18-25), U18 Free
Tel: 01 55 37 73 77
Metro: Charles de Gaulle-Etoile.
Notre Dame
Perhaps most famous in Victor Hugo's novel "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" and the subsequent Hollywood & Disney films, this magnificent gothic cathedral right in the heart of the original city has been an icon of Paris since its completion in 1345AD. Throughout history it has witnessed coronations of kings & emperors, royal weddings, royal funerals, and even the beatification of Joan of Arc. Budding architects may be interested to know that it was among the first buildings in the world to use the flying buttress.
Cool Tip: For one of the best views of Paris and to see all those famous gargoyles featured on all the postcards spend the money to go into the tower. Honestly, this is one of the best views of Paris and bar none some of the best picture taking « Look I was in Paris! » spots.
Open: 8-6.45pm (7.45 Sat, Sun)
Entrance: Tower 6.10€, 4.10€
Tel: 01 42 34 56 10
Metro: Cite, St Michel
The Louvre
Originally a fortified royal palace and the cornerstone of the wall built around Paris in 1190 by Philip Augustus to protect it from English attacks. The existing palace building was started in 1535 after demolition of the old castle and it was first opened to the public as a museum in during the French Revolution in 1793. Nowadays it is home to the Musée du Louvre (See Paris Museums), main entrance in the central courtyard is through a giant glass pyramid (controversially added in 1989).
Open: Mon, Thurs, Sat, Sun 9.00am-18.00pm, Wed, Fri 9.00am-10.00pm. Closed on Tuesday
Entrance: 10€, Free for under 18s and EEC citizens Under 25
Metro: Louvre Rivoli
Place Concorde
One of Paris's major squares situated between the Champs-Elysees and the Tuileries Gardens. During the French Revolution, it was re-named Place de la Revolution and was the site of the dreaded guillotine (which in its heyday executed more than 1,300 people per month). Nowadays, the guillotine as been replaced by the 3000 year old Obelisk of Luxor, a gift from Egypt in 1831 decorated with ancient hieroglyphics. Other surrounding buildings include the Hotel de Crillon, reputedly the most expensive in Paris, and the former HQ of the German army during World War II and the US Embassy.
Metro: Concorde
The Bastille
Originally a fortress and prison in Paris, it is best known today for the storming of the Bastille during the French Revolution on July 14th 1789, a date that is commemorated every year as the Fete Nationale or Bastille Day. Famous prisoners of the Bastille included: the Marquis de Sade, Voltaire, Dr Alexander Manette (A Tale of Two Cities) and Mr Thénardier (Les Miserables). Nowadays, Place de la Bastille is a large traffic circle around the July Column, a monument to the Revolution of 1830, with the Opera Bastille on the Eastern side.
Metro: Bastille
Moulin Rouge
An iconic image of Paris since its erection in 1889, the Moulin Rouge (or red windmill) is a traditional French cabaret situated in what was once the red-light district of Pigalle at the foot of Montmartre. It's perhaps best remembered as the subject of many paintings by post-impressionist painter Toulouse Lautrec. The current show includes over 100 artists, 60 "Doriss Girls", 80 musicians, 1000s of stunning costumes and sumptuous sets.
Show: 2.45 pm (95€), 9pm (99€), 11pm (89€)
Tel: 01 53 09 82 82.
Metro: Blanche
Sacré Coeur
At the summit of the Butte Montmartre, you have reached the highest point in the city, and although it seems much more historic, it was only consecrated in 1919. The brilliant whiteness is due to the stone used in its construction constantly exuding calcite when it rains. The top of the dome affords a spectacular panoramic view, and the steps below are a popular picnic rendezvous.
Open: 6am – 11pm
Entrance: Basilica free, Dome 5€
Tel: 01 53 41 89 00
Metro: Anvers, Abbesses
The Pantheon
Since 1789, the Pantheon has been a mausoleum for many great Frenchmen including; Voltaire, Rousseau, Victor Hugo, Émile Zola, Jean Moulin, Marie Curie, Louis Braille, Alexandre Dumas and Jean Jaurès.It is also the site of a 67m pendulum suspended from the central dome that was used by physicist Léon Foucault in 1851 for an experiment to demonstrate the rotation of the Earth.
Hours: 10.00am-6.00pm
Entrance: 7€, Under 17s free
Tel: 01.44.32.18.00.
Metro: Cluny La Sorbonne
Les Invalides
The giant golden dome visible above the Paris rooftops was originally a hospital and retirement home for war veterans. Nowadays, it serves as a mausoleum for famous French war heroes, such as Napoleon Bonaparte and the home of the Musee de l'Armée.
Open: 10am-6pm
Entrance : 9€, 7€
Tel : 01 44 42 38 77
Metro : Latour-Maubourg, Invalides, Varenne
Père Lachaise Cemetery
Reputedly the most visited cemetery in the world. Since its establishment in 1804, it has been the final resting place for many famous Parisians, including: Sarah Bernhardt, Bizet, Chopin, Delacroix, Isadora Duncan, Edith Piaf, Pissarro, Proust, Rossini and Oscar Wilde. But by far the most visited grave is that of legendary 70s rock star Jim Morrison – so much so, that his grave now has a full-time security guard. Other interesting inclusions are the crypt of Abelard & Heloise where love-struck visitors leave love-letters and the Communards' Wall, the site where in 1871, 147 Communards were shot dead ending the Paris Commune.
Metro: Philippe Auguste, Pere Lachaise, Gambetta
The Paris Opéra
A 2000 seat opera house dating from 1875, also known as the Palais Garnier. Although most theatrical productions have since been relocated to the more modern Opera Bastille, it is still the Opera Garnier with its ornate, monumental exterior and lavish velvet & gold-leaf interior that captures the imagination. It's perhaps best known as the setting of The Phantom of the Opera.
Hours: Visits available every day 10am-6pm
Entrance: 9€, 6€ with guided tours in English every Wed, Sat and Sun:
11:30am & 2:30pm. 12€, 10€
Metro: Opera
Tel: 01 72 29 35 35
Château de Versailles
Between 1682 -1789 the Château de Versailles was the royal residence and seat of absolute power in France. It was expanded from a royal hunting lodge into the most magnificent palace in the world, with palace grounds including some of the largest formal gardens ever created. On display are the Royal Apartments, the Royal Chapel and the Hall of Mirrors.
We recommend taking a tour to help you save time and best of all to help you learn all about the delicious and salacious Versailles history.
Open: 9-6.30pm (Closed Mon)
Entrance: 15€, 13€ (10€ after 4pm) Free for <18s & EU citizens < 26
Tel: 01 30 84 74 00.
RER C: Versailles Chantiers/Rive Gauche
DisneyLand Paris:
Going to Magic Kingdom? Getting there is no problem. Just take RER A city from central Paris to Disneyland throughout the day at roughly 15 minute intervals from five large central Paris RER A Stations: Charles de Gaulle Etoile (at Arc de Triomphe), Auber (at Galeries Lafayette shopping center), Chatelet Les Halles (massive underground shopping centre and largest underground/subway station in the world), Gare de Lyon (largest Paris train station), and Nation.
Actually you can book your ticket and get more information right here.
Paris Museums
From ancient Egyptian history to contemporary art, Paris has world class museums to suit all interests. If you are around for a few days you may want to consider investing in the Paris Museum Card which, for 30€, gives you 3 days unlimited access to all the museums listed and can be purchased at the 1st museum you visit.
Musée du Louvre
One of the oldest, largest, most famous and visited art gallery in the world with over 30,000 works of art including the Venus de Milo and Mona Lisa. It could take days to explore completely so pick your priorities carefully.
Open: 9am – 6pm (till 10pm Wed and Fri – Closed Tue)
Tel: 01 40 20 53 17
Metro: Louvre Rivoli, Palais Royal-Musée du Louvre
Entrance: 10€, 6€ after 6pm, Free for under 18s and EEC citizens under 25
Musée National du Moyen Age
Set in the medieval Hotel de Cluny, and constructed on the remains of 3rd century Gallo-Roman baths, the Musée de Cluny houses a variety of important medieval artefacts, in particular its tapestry collection.
Open: 9.15am – 5.45pm (Closed Tue)
6 Place Paul Painlevé, 75005. Tel: 01 53 73 78 00
Metro: Saint Michel, Cluny-La Sorbonne, Odéon
Entrance: 8.00€, 6.00€
Centre Georges Pompidou
The largest permanent collection of modern art in Europe, with pieces from 1905 to 2007, covering everything from Andy Warhol to Hitchcock movies. Arrive after 5pm to avoid queuing and pass by the roof for a terrific view of Paris.
Open: 11am-9pm (closed Tues)
Rue St-Martin, 75004 . Tel: 01 44 78 12 33 .
Metro: Les Halles, Hotel de Ville, Rambuteau
Entrance: 10€ , 8€
Maison Européene de la Photographie
A remarkable collection of over 15,000 photographs, prints and films.
Open: 11am – 8pm (Closed Mon/Tue)
Entrance: 7€, 4€ – free after 5pm Wed
82 Rue François Miron, 75004 Tel: 01 44 78 75 00
Metro: Saint Paul, Pont Marie
Musée Carnavalet
The history of Paris from its pre-Roman beginnings through the Revolution and right up to the 20th century. All under a single roof!
Open: 10am – 6 pm (closed Mon)
23 Rue de Sévigné, 75003. Tel: 01 44 59 58 58
Entrance: Perm. collection free, Temp. exhihibit 4.50€, 3.80€
Metro: Saint-Paul/ Chemin Vert
Musée D'Orsay
A former Victorian railway station converted into a magnificent setting works of art dating from 1848 to 1914, including a remarkable collection of French Impressionists.
Open: 9.30am -6pm (9.45pm Thu -Closed Mon)
Entrance: 10€, 7.50€, 2€ for EU citizens 18-25
1 Rue de la Légion d'Honneur, 75007 Tel: 01 40 49 48 14
Metro: Musée d'Orsay
Musée Du Quai Branly
Jacques Chirac's legacy and the latest must see in Paris, is a collection of indigenous art, artefacts and exhibitions from Africa, Asia, Oceania and the Americas.
Open: 11am–7.00pm (9.00pm Thu, Fri, Sat – Closed Mon)
Entrance: 8.50€, 6€
37 Quai Branly, 75007. Tel: 33 1 56 61 70 00
Métro: Iéna, Alma-Marceau, Pont de l'Alma, Bir-Hakeim
Musée Marmottan Monet
Hidden away in a quiet residential neighbourhood of Paris is the world's single
largest collection of Monet paintings (along with other impressionists).
Open: 10am -6pm (8pm Thurs, Closed Mon)
Entrance: 10€, 5€
2 Rue Louis-Boilly, 75016. Tel: 01 44 96 50 33
Metro: La Muette
Musée Rodin
Rodin's former residence and gardens house an extensive collection of his most famous sculptures, along with sketches, plaster casts and waxworks.
Open: 10.00-5.45pm (Closed Mon)
Entrance: 6€, 5€, EU citizens 18-25 Free, 1€ garden only
79 Rue de Varenne 75007
Tel: 01 44 18 61 10
Metro: Varenne, Invalides, Saint-François-Xavier
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Last year, Super Chevy embarked on an arduous task: to bring together some of the aftermarket's leading suspension companies and pummel their cars though a battery of tests. Turns out it was so much fun that we were asked to do it again. Since driving cool cars beats working in a stuffy office, we agreed. Thus was born the second annual Super Chevy magazine Suspension & Handling Challenge, presented by Nitto Tire.
Like last year, the important part to remember about these tests is that it isn't science. That is to say, comparing highly modified cars to one another is far from precise. Car weight, alignment settings, tire contact patches, and a host of other variables all conspire to make a comparison between "car A" and "car B" more of an estimation than a scientific conclusion. The one "scientific" way to pull something like this off would be to gather up all the various parts and then try them on the same car. Even that experiment would be tough since uncontrollable factors like the weather could skew the results. It would take months, cost a fortune, and we still wouldn't be assured of fair results.
With this in mind we came up with another idea. Each company would bring a ride to the party equipped with its suspension parts and be run though our standard battery of tests. Rules were simple. The vehicle had to be a Chevy built 1981 or earlier. In addition, the car had to have parts installed from the company's catalog-no one-off or custom suspension parts. Also, the cars had to be licensed for use on the street. Another caveat was that companies that competed last year couldn't run the same car again. We wanted fresh meat. We would supply drivers for the four segments: slalom, skidpad, autocross, and streetability.
Once the companies showed up to our facility in El Toro, California, they were only allowed to make adjustments to air pressure and shock settings; no swapping out of parts would be allowed. In case of a breakage, they would be allowed to make repairs so long as the replaced part was the same or equivalent to the failed part. This increased the challenge of the event since a combination of parts that might be great for the skidpad testing may not be the best for the slalom or autocross (or street driving).
Since comparing the cars to each other posed problems, we decided to compare them to a modern muscle car. After all, most guys looking to upgrade their suspensions want to know that spending their hard earned cash will help their classic Chevys ride, handle, and perform better than they did when new. Last year we brought out a C5 Vette as a benchmark car, but this year we decided to make it even tougher by borrowing a '10 Camaro SS from Mark Lazio over at Anvil Auto. Although Matt's Camaro is bone stock, all of its leading edge 21st century components like IRS and ABS would certainly provide a tough target for the suspension companies to shoot for.
Who's Who Every suspension company we could think of was invited to the party, but more was involved than just showing up. For last year's participants the rule that they had to bring a different car proved problematic since in some cases they didn't have another Chevy to bring. When all was said and done, 10 of the industry's best suspension companies, four of them from last year's challenge, came out to sunny California for our event. Some brought their own company-owned Bow Ties while others showed up with rides borrowed from their customers.
In terms of variety, we couldn't have asked for more. Of course, four of the 10 cars were Camaros (hey, at least one was a second gen), but we also had two wagons, a Nova, two Chevelle coupes, and the Roadster Shop's big-money Vette, which had just been crowned Street Machine Of The Year by Goodguys. Big-blocks, small-blocks, LS engines, automatics, manuals, low buck, high buck, you name it and chances are it was represented in some fashion.


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Tried using NeXTTool to receive a Bluetooth message from the NXT on my PC, but can't get it to work. My communication is OK because I can use NeXTTool to read the firmware version,etc. Here is what I tried:
On NXT:
- Download program with single BT Send Message block configured to send a text message on connection 1 and mailbox 1.
- Go to BT menu on NXT and connect my PC to connection 1 (already paired). Based on the NXT-G help, the NXT should be connection 0.
- Ran program to send the message.
On PC:
- Tried to execute the following command:
NeXTTool /bt /inbox=0 -msgread=1
NeXTTool /bt /inbox=1 -msgread=0
NeXTTool /bt /inbox=1 -msgread=1
None worked.
Tried running program on NXT to send message during the reads as well.
NeXTool uses the term "box" for both the /inbox option and the -msgread box. This makes me wonder which one is what the NXT-G refers to as "Connection" (which is why I tried the various combinations).
Has anyone used this tool? What am I doing wrong? Should I just try the MS Robotics Studio?
- Jul 9, 2006, 12:04:00 AM
- Brian Davis said...
I've not used NeXTTool (or even read up on it as yet), but you might try contacting the maintainer of the web page:
Brian Davis
- Jul 9, 2006, 12:09:00 AM
Is the next shipping to the world? Australia has to wait for September. Bummer.
- Jul 9, 2006, 9:19:00 AM
Unfortunately, it only seems to be shipping in the US for now. I guess the factory wheels are moving slowly.
I tried contacting email@example.com this morning about BT messages on NeXTTool. No response yet ...
Has anyone used RobotC with the NXT? It sounds like it lacks support for a lot of things. Any impressions?
I'll probably try using NBC for a while. Anyone tried this yet?
So many things to try for such a young Robot.
- Jul 9, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
Is the next shipping to the world?
I imagine shipping of the NXT is actually suspended at the moment.
Some have shipped in the US, but you will find from comments in the NXT Step blog (& elsewhere) a number of reports of problems updating the firmware on the brick from the distibuted CD.
I would guess in the order of 500 NXTs have shipped - this is the kind of sales you need before you find out about problems that affect, say, 2% of customers.
To justify my guess a little further: if shipping had reached much beyond a 1000 I would expect to see many more people discussing their first steps here or in places such as lugnet.robotics newsgroup.
Hopefully Lego are testing a fix for this issue now, and there will be no more issues. Then they can ship beyond the US sooner. :-)
I am certainly looking forwards to my NXT arriving September!
- Jul 9, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
At least, when I finally get my hands on it, all the bugs will probably be ironed out.
Looking at the programs posted on TheNXTStep give me a feeling of "So close, yet so far". It's infuriating!
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Series: Creation, Evolution, and the Over-Active Imagination (2 entries)
"The Language of God" Book Club – Chapter 4
Some people who brook no "god of the gaps" arguments anywhere else look to these three moments as more reasonable places to insert God into natural processes: God spoke matter/energy into existence, God made life out of lifeless matter, and God breathed a soul into human beings.
A Plea to My Shepherds
... I would exhort these, my fellow conservative evangelical shepherds and thinkers, to set aside all reticence and fear, emerge from anonymity, and storm the forum of discourse, engaging this most pressing matter with vigor, equanimity, and humility. In doing so, know upfront that there will be few handrails to guide; you will not be building upon an extensive precedence of published conservative thought.
Series: Science and the Bible (22 entries)
This ongoing series written by historian Ted Davis begins with a brief synopsis of his personal background, and then goes on to reveal his passion for debunking "the now-common view that the history of science and Christianity is one of ongoing, inevitable conflict."
Willing to be Wrong
The debate is often not about evidence, but about making sure that others do not transgress our interpretive boundaries and insist that we're wrong. We've bitten from the tree of knowledge and we love its taste.
Series: Asa Gray and Charles Darwin Discuss Evolution and Design (5 entries)
Many Christians believe that they face a painful choice-- either life was designed by God or it is an evolutionary product of natural selection. Charles Darwin himself believed in this dichotomy, and people ever since have felt the need to "choose sides". However, looking back at history, we find that one of Darwin's chief scientific colleagues, Asa Gray, did not share this perspective. In this three-part essay, part 1 charts the relationship of Asa Gray and Charles Darwin. Part 2 describes Darwin's struggle with the problem of natural evil and design in nature, and part 3 explores how Asa Gray was able to embrace evolution without rejecting the idea of design.
Gracious Dialogue
Our desire to engage in gracious dialogue with fellow believers who reject biological evolution has been receiving increased attention in both the Christian and secular press. More importantly, we are being joined in this reconciling project by our brothers and sisters in Christ who have often been defined primarily as our "opponents".
Fine-tuning and the "Fruitful Universe"
I ask the question, "Why is the universe so special?" Now scientists don't like things to be special; we like things to be general, and our natural anticipation would have been that the universe is just a common specimen of what a universe might be like.
Caution! Design Arguments Ahead
Design arguments have been around forever and expressed in various ways. Most of them fall into what we call natural theology, which is the process of inferring something about the existence and nature of God by the inspection of nature.
Understanding Evolution: The Evolutionary Origins of Irreducible Complexity, Part 1
I will take some time to clarify exactly how Michael Behe, the biochemist and Intelligent Design (ID) proponent who has most extensively developed the "irreducible complexity" argument, uses the term.
Beginning with the End in Mind
In today's video, Oxford physicist Ard Louis discusses the famous debate between renowned evolutionary biologists Stephen Jay Gould and Simon Conway Morris over the idea of evolutionary convergence.
Mitochondrial Eve, Y-Chromosome Adam, and Reasons to Believe
When presented with the evidence for human population sizes over our evolutionary history, a common point of confusion for evangelicals is how this evidence fits with Mitochondrial Eve. How can we all come from one woman (and one man) but also come from a large population of 10,000 individuals?
Maker of Heaven and Earth
I fear that many of us ask the wrong questions about the beginning of the book of Genesis. Not only does this generate needless confusion and division, it also makes us miss the life-changing truths that we could see if we asked the right questions.
On Deciphering the Signature
The interesting thing about this is that Steve Meyer and I are probably really in almost the same exact position when it comes to our core beliefs. We differ primarily in one regard.
Series: From ID to BioLogos (8 entries)
In this series, Dennis Venema describes his personal journey that took him away from the Intelligent Design arguments toward the evolutionary creation worldview. Through careful and honest research, he discovered ID scientific reasoning to be analogy-based, in sharp contrast to evolutionary science, which was supported by concrete data. After accepting this view, God's presence ever strengthened him as he explored the compatibility between the Bible and God's creative mechanism.
From Intelligent Design to BioLogos
In this paper, Venema tells the story of his transition from support of Intelligent Design to the view that God uses evolution as a creative mechanism.
The (Lack Of) Conflict Between Science and Religion in College Students
Media-hungry atheist, creationist and religious fundamentalist provocateurs have dominated the science and religion narrative for the past decade. A recently published large-scale survey of college students, however, finds that the call to arms has fallen on deaf ears.
Bad Science and Weak Theology?
Many scientists feel that the ID movement is an attempt to locate gaps in our scientific knowledge and then to presume those gaps can only be filled by intervention of an external intelligence. It is important to note that ID leaders do not view their work this way.
Series: C.S. Lewis on Evolution and Intelligent Design (8 entries)
This in-depth series by Michael L. Peterson surveys author and apologist C.S. Lewis, reflecting on his arguments for the existence of God as well as his views on Intelligent Design and evolution. Peterson first explains the classical lines of rationale and then discusses Lewis' Transcendent Intelligence argument. He clearly distinguishes Lewis' view, however, from other design arguments. As he concludes, he relates Lewis' thoughts on the firmly grounded theory of evolution, presenting his grand Trinitarian worldview which included this scientific view of the universe.


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The largest town of Upper Franconia is grown historically as margravial residence and world-famous by the Richard Wagner festival, a modern economy, convention and university town on the way to the high tech center of the region today. Bayreuth's sights, its museums and its various cultural offer promise eventful days throughout the whole year.
Cultural variety
With the margravial opera house Bayreuth offers the probably most beautiful preserved baroque theater in Europe. It belongs to the UNESCO world cultural heritage since 2012. Charming castles, the historical park hermitage with its dreamy grottos and water games and the festival theater with his unique acoustics expect the visitor as well as a variety of interesting museums. Numerous music and theater festivals offer cultural pleasure on the highest standard.
Leisure facilities of the top class
Bayreuth has leisure facilities of the top class at its disposal, so for example the pleasure oasis Lohengrin thermal spring in an immediate neighborhood to the hermitage and to a 18 hole golf course. Neat hotels and inns load to relax and to forget the weekday. Franconian and international restaurants provide variety and palate joys.
Attractive surrounding countryside, best international
As a gate to the counter tele-mountains and to romantic Franconian Switzerland Bayreuth can well and fast be reached by the car via motorways A 9 and A 70. German airline Lufthansa provides best international connections with schedule flight connections via Nuremberg Airport. Railway company Deutsche Bahn connects Bayreuth via the Franconia Saxony magistral with Nuremberg in hour intervals. In addition, the town maintains an efficient regional airfield.
Information exhibition at the margravial opera house opened
The world heritage information center at the margravial opera house Bayreuth has opened its gates. The opening hours are daily from April until September from 9 AM-6 PM and from October until March from 10 AM - 4 PM.
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What a doll! Ken® doll wore his burgundy tux in style! The satin cummerbund and lapels matched the suit perfectly. He sported a white boutonniere on his lapel. The ruffles on his shirt were stitched in burgundy. He completed the look with an attached black satin bow tie, black shoes, and burgundy tricot socks.
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Reminder: Grand Bridge Closes Monday, March 14
Compton primary detour; commuters advised to seek alternate routes
The Grand Boulevard Bridge will close to traffic at 5 a.m. Monday, March 14.
The bridge is expected to be down for 14 months; the entire project is expected to be completed in 18-24 months.
The bridge will be closed from Chouteau Avenue to the I-64 off-ramp. Compton Avenue is the primary detour route. The city has posted detour signs.
The off-ramps at I-64 and Grand will remain open throughout the project, but visitors to the Medical Center are advised to select a Market Street exit to connect with Compton Avenue.
Drivers traveling on I-44 to the north end of campus are advised to exit at Vandeventer Avenue from the west or at Jefferson Avenue from east.
The MetroLink station under the bridge will be unavailable for two-to-three weeks as demolition of the bridge takes place. During that period, Metro will transport riders to and from the Union Station via the Grand bus.
The $22 million project will enhance both the safety and aesthetics of the Grand Bridge. The Metro station also will be improved.
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Box Office Tape Dispenser
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The Box Office Tape Dispenser is part of a very beautiful collection of office accessories designed by Christian Ghion under the artistic direction of Philippe Starck. This collection rests on the idea of one box having multiple uses that fits all the needs of the office: Paper Clip Holder, Pencil Holder, Mobile Phone Holder, Tape Dispenser and Pencil Sharpener. They are complemented with Letter Trays featuring pretty front corrugated edges.
Box Office Tape Dispenser: A place for everything and everything in its place. Mix and match the coordinated pieces of xO Design's Box Office Collection to streamline desk top essentials.
Material(s): ABS Plastic
Dimensions: H 3.3" W 3.1"
Designer: Christian Ghion
Born in 1958 in Montmorency, France, Christian Ghion received a law degree in Paris in 1982. He later studied at l'Ecole du Louvre and l'Ecole Nationale Supérieure de Création Industrielle (ENSCI), graduating in 1987.
The same year, he created, with his friend Patrick Nadeau, his own studio Ghion-Nadeau and, working on objects, furniture, set and interior design, he began to make a name for himself as a designer: in 1990, he was granted the "Grand Prix de la Création de la Ville de Paris" award.
Travels in Asia gave him a great interest in new forms and original materials, both raw and man-made, that he mixes in his designs, reworking archetypes of iconography and constructing his pieces on play with elementary volumes.
The various products that he designs always come with a twist, a play on the forms — no formalism in his work, but a light fantasy and seduction. The ability to create highly innovative product using ancient savoir-faire he showed in his collaboration with Murano glassblowers or the surprising reinterpretations of classic decoration accessories earned him a worldwide reputation and his pieces belong to the permanent collections of the Guggenheim Museum in New York, the Centre Georges Pompidou and the Museum of Decorative Arts in Paris, and many other collections across the globe.View other products by Christian Ghion
Manufacturer: xO Design
Back in 1984, Philipppe Starck is raising to stardom; Gérard Mialet's spirits are high. Together, they cross the line and decide to create a new design house. It will be XO. To quote Starck, "To make a beautiful baby, parents have to be in love.".
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With a little effort, you will be able to understand how wonderful it is to tap into this type of traffic on a regular basis. If you really want business contacts for your business, this is certainly the way to go in today's sociable world.
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People get bored with constant text content, so you know what you can do to fix this. People will develop a new interest in your content if you are able to add different types of it from time to time. There is so much more you can do with different media formats.
If you want to tap into video, YouTube is an excellent place to start. It is actually the second largest search engine that you can access today. You can add novelty to your site by simply adding images in a variety of locations. It is simple to tap into Twitter, telling everyone about something new you have added, like a graphic or image that you want them to see. Exploring different content formats can really help you find something that will help your business.
Choosing to use social media marketing can be beneficial for your business, unless you do it incorrectly. You need to learn how to execute everything that you do properly, plus learn everything you can. Your potential rewards will be better in the long run, especially if you make the extra effort to do so.
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System Benefits Charge
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Clothes Washer: $35 or $75/unit
Steam Trap Replacement: $100/unit
Steam Cookers: $2,000
SDG&E offers incentive programs for businesses looking to improve their energy efficiency. In addition to technical advice, the Energy Efficiency Business Rebates Programs have prescriptive and custom rebates for eligible customers, as well as financing to cover the remaining costs.
The Energy Efficiency Business Rebates can help pay for business, industrial and agricultural retrofits for customers that have a monthly electrical demand of at least 4,166 therms. Rebates are available for lighting improvements, refrigeration, natural gas technologies, food service or other improvements. Customers should contact SDG&E regarding eligibility and maximum incentive amounts. More information and program details can be found in the program handbook.
The Energy Efficiency Business Incentives Program offers incentives for improvements that exceed government energy standards for business, industrial and agricultural customers, regardless of size. Funding for conservation improvements is up to 50% of the total project costs and the incentives are based on the amount of direct energy saved. More information about the specific incentive amounts can be found on the program brochure. Engineering Assistance Incentives are also available to SDG&E customers. Please visit program website listed above or contact SDG&E about program details.


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