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- Shaheem Carter
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This Question is for the people that believe in god. (Atheist views also please)
Did you ever thought of this, and if so, please explain to me how does this make sense to you,
Because it doesn't to me.
BTW I'm atheist, but I'm asking this question from a christian point of view.
(I don't claim to no everything, just a truth seeker)
OK, Here we go:
God created you,(Remember you didn't ask to be here,) and then gave you an ultimatum, Worship me and go to Heaven, or You'll burn for eternity in my hell fire.
But...What if i don't want either, why can't i create a third option?
Really, is there any free will in this or is this just free choice?
Besides were ever i was before you created me, am sure i was perfectly fine.
then you decide to bring me here and trap me in your Crappy Options (Heaven or Hell).
Ofcourse if am a believer i wouldn't want to burn in hell, so i'll pick the other option which is heaven.
but am only picking heaven because hell sucks a bit more.
So basically it's worship me or you'll pay. and if i decide not to, Hell awaits me. So, if god really is love why is he so upset and is going to burn me indefinitely, because i think he's a myth that man created to find solace in?
i mean, what type of god leaves no evidence at all, and gets angry because i don't acknowledge him? Let's face it, you can tell me god did it, god created it, god this, god that..but it's all faith based. No matter how much you tell me, you have no proof. So as far as am concerned, if i tell you a pink unicorn in blue jeans created all of this, you can't disprove that.
Mar 24 2012: W. C FIELDS and Douglas Fairbanks were famous actors in the twenties and thirties W.C Fields was an atheist the story goes that Fields was dying and his good friend Fairbanks went to visit him in the hospital when he entered the room he saw his old friend sitting on the bed reading the Bible he was shocked knowing that his friend had been an atheist his whole life so he said W.C what are you doing ? W.C looked up from the Bible and said......looking for loopholesMar 25 2012: Shaheem !
All atheists' points of view are expressed with no new forthcoming. They require the proof of the existence of God, the EVIDENCE. Truth is self-evident.. The truth of one's real self is the expression of divinity. It can be discovered through the pathway of everyday life.The commonplace and God aren't distinct. What/ Who is the God you don't believe in ? You don't believe in names ? Me too.
God is not the Holy Other, God is the Whole. To live with care and kindness is all that is necessary. And the sense of sacred reverence, alone helps to be one with the Whole. It is not a belief, it's experience :)
Apr 1 2012: Natasha, your remarks were addressed to Shaheem. Please excuse me for interjecting my thoughts.
You said "Truth is self-evident." I think that is far from being the case. If truth were self-evident there would be no need for jury trials, or mathematical proofs, or scientific experimentation, or archeological excavations or evidence collection.
"Chase after truth like hell and you'll free yourself, even though you never touch its coat-tails."
Clarence Darrow (1857 - 1938)
By the way, I, as an atheist, agree wholeheartedly with your statement: "To live with care and kindness is all that is necessary." No supernatural deities are required.Mar 24 2012: God never gave any "crappy options" in the sacred texts but man himself since the early age does not want to be burdened upon. I think it was a way to discipline the people of that era who were indulged in chaos, immorality, obscenity etc. At the same time it is important to note here that things like, morality, ethical behavior, norms of the society all were a result of information provided in these religious books hundreds of years back. And what science proved today or ethical principles developed were somehow magically present then without all the new age gizmo stuff & today's scholastic thinkers?
These are the things that force us to think about religion/God etc. My question to you is , is it necessary to see God to believe in him? If it is, then why do you believe in all the scientific stuff that is backed up by unproven theories/hypothesis like the bigbang, gravity, or the Planck era earliest period of time in the history of the universe, from zero to approximately 10−43 seconds (Planck time) etc
I would also like to share this video to show what faith is:
People during the deadly tornado at kentucky, began praying, Why was praying the first thing that came to her mind? link attached below is quite evident of a spiritual connection that each one of us has during fear, we connect with god, then why do we find solace in god in times like these:
Mar 24 2012: No one is asking to see god, someone doesn't have to show their face to prove they exist. get it? as far as the people praying during the deadly tornados etc, is a horrible analogy, your talking about a woman who was brought up in a society that spoon feed her religion and god from she was a baby, so now she has this illusion inside her that someone is going to save her. if she grew up somewhere, were they never ever knew about religion and god you think she would be praying when she saw a tornado? you fill kids head with the idea of superman and batman and they'll ask you for a batman/superman outfit for their birthday, if superman/batman never existed, you think they would? besides, their is no evidence what so ever that prayer works, saying my prayer got answer over the billions who needed it more than you, is arrogance dipped in illusion.
Mar 24 2012: Shaheem, I will be most interested in reading your closing on this conversation. I do hope that you continue your quest for truth, and that some day you will indeed open your eyes.
With all kindness, I think it must be said that you keep making the same claims over and over again, and seem genuinely resistant to all reassurance, explanation, or alternative questions. But I think that this conversation has shown evidence of Christ's love by the gentle responses you have received here, and by the prayer for your peace.
Lastly, in answer to one of your many questions, about being forced here to deal with the "Crappy Options" but if you were to change your perception, you would see it differently. If you were to see that you do have the free will to will these Options into "Less-than-Crappy Opportunities" you might find the answers to all these questions (which we have been answering but which just don't seem to satisfy you.)
All this to say: sometimes it seems you are so busy asking questions you never stop to consider that the answers are being given to you.
Just think about it.
With all Peace and Love,
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Mar 25 2012: Hi, Bridget !
Your comment reminds me this quote :
"I have always thought it curious that, while most scientists claim to eschew religion,
it actually dominates their thoughts more than it does the clergy "
Fred Hoyle
Very interesting observation, indeed ! :)Mar 31 2012: Bridget,
Your comments were directed to Shaheem, but I hope you won't mind me interjecting some of my thoughts.
Evidence of God's existence that would satisfy me:
* A huge face of God suddenly appearing in orbit around the Earth, and responding to every question in the questioner's own language.
* A voice heard by every person in the world in their own language announcing that God was about to reverse Earth's direction of rotation, so hold on ...
* Giant words written in the sky and readable all around the Earth in each person's favorite language stating all the winning lottery numbers for the next week.
I could go on, but I think you get the drift. An omnipotent being could provide evidence of its existence by doing something that requires omnipotence.
Regarding one's mind as "evidence" can be used as proof of the correctness of any delusion, including the existence of goblins, ghosts, and gods.Mar 31 2012: Natasha,
I can't post a reply directly below you post because it is nested too deep, so I'll post a reply to Bridget's post.
You quoted Sir Fred Hoyle as saying ""I have always thought it curious that, while most scientists claim to eschew religion, it actually dominates their thoughts more than it does the clergy ."
Of course this is not necessarily true simply because Hoyle said this, but let's set that aside for the moment.
Sir Fred Hoyle was an astronomer, and his mention in connection with religion reminds me of another astronomer. No doubt religion dominated Galileo Galilei's thoughts as he was forced to recant his own discoveries when standing before a tribunal of the Inquisition.
Religion may dominate a person's thoughts, but that doesn't mean that the person is having positive thoughts about religion.Mar 25 2012: Dear dear shaeem,
If you read the sacred texts , in almost every text you have the option, asking you to choose, meaning that of "free-will". The idea as you said is never forced into a child growing up, but when that particular child grows into an adult, uses his developed mind to understand the text & implement it as if he was somehow spiritually destined for it.
With regards to my previous post your answer is still awaited !
Have a nice weekendMar 23 2012: My personal beliefs.
I am a Catholic....At least I consider myself one.
I have heard many arguments for and against Him/Her. From crackpot camp counselors to Stephen Hawkins. I understand pretty much what they all say. But at the end all the arguments just fizzle and fade into people trying to talk about something they cant comprehend.
I Believe there is a God,
But there isn't a human alive that fully understands his/Her intentions... Or totally understands...even my own chosen religion.
I think there are very few TRUE atheist...if any. Every one has something inside them that tells you there is more out there..That's why we ask questions and think about it so much...maybe that's where " in his image" came from? Most atheists just cant stand organized religion or people telling them what to do, they want to make up their own minds....Maybe that's where " in his image" came from!"
So basically just because the way its been explained to you doesn't make sense doesn't mean God doesn't exist. Nobody can explain it right... look inside yourself to see the truth....maybe thats where " in his image" came from.
Mar 23 2012: So tell me this, what makes you think how it was explained to you is right? what if there is a god, but your serving the wrong one? then all your time on earth worshiping your god was and.... is all in vain. there can be a million lies, but only one truth. every religion believes there the truth, Jehovah witness, catholic,seventh day Adventist, Muslim etc. and if you believe your religion is all truth, then you have to believe the others are some truth and some lies. my point: iv'e seen religious people argue and debate among one another more then gang members. religion is bad, very bad. it equals division. if your a believer then fine, but why the religious titles? why not just be called a man of god?
Mar 23 2012: Ohh I know its been explained to me wrong. Like I said I don't believe anyone has all the answers. It has been explained to me so wrongly at times I felt that internal "what the hell" that all atheists feel. But instead of denying everything I took a step back and looked at the big picture. The essence of Gods message. And Its all about how we treat other people. Now you might think... Do I really need faith/religion/God for that.... Yeah I probably do.
I know why people are atheists. Its because religion as a whole contradicts...and we like to be in control. But that doesn't mean the whole concept is wrong. More than likely we are just seeing imperfect humans trying to carry out a perfect plan they don't fully understand.
As for being a Catholic. I say I consider my self one... Mostly because that is the faith I was raised in. I do not agree with every viewpoint the church holds. I don't give a damn who you marry girl/girl boy/boy as long as your willing to take one for the team if the earth's population is ever in jeopardy...since I don't see that happening... I don't care if Mary was a virgin... I do believe in evolution ( as do most Catholics)... I see a point the point or purpose in most stories in the bible without taking them as historical fact...And I have no clue who is going to hell if it even exists... I don't think Budhists, Muslims ,Jewish people or doorknob worshiping monks from the arctic circle are going to burn in hell.
I do know that at times in my life I felt a presence that I cant explain with chemical reactions or chance.. I have felt Gods presence...as most people have. We didn't come from nothing...and that's not just a cry out against the inevitable that just makes sense...
Mar 23 2012: You said: We didn't come from nothing. Meaning: nothing can come out of nothing? so tell me. who created god? where did god's morals come from? Christians believe in Objective morality, but how can Objective morality come from a subjective god? ask yourself this, where is god's proof/evidence that what he considers ''wrong or right''? is actually fact? does he even have proof, or is ''wrong and right'' just a matter of his personal opinion? remember ''opinions aren't facts'' think about it, god murdered more people than Lucifer. What makes it right, because he said so? but i thought he uttered ''Thou Shall Not Kill!'' so killing is only right if he does it?Mar 23 2012: @ Shaheem. What makes you say that God is subjective?
Why do you believe that God has morals?
What makes you say God murdered more people than Lucifer?Mar 24 2012: You asked "...who created God?" Well that's the big question isn't it. My answer is simply nobody. Before you say WHAT! Well then... Remember I personally believe nobody can truly comprehend God...The closest we can get is looking at ourselves...and sometimes that's not a good picture....but the reason we have such a hard time comprehending him is because he exists without time and any word used as a reference to time does not apply to him/her as a being. One other thing in our world that does not follow the rules of time.... Light. God is often referred to as the "Light". There is a lot of interesting comparisons on this point.
As for the old testament and the acts of God. I can honestly say I have no clue about some of them. He seems pretty harsh and unfair and you wont find me on any street corner preaching fire and brimstone...Instead of the 10 commandments..THOU SHALL NOT!!! Try looking at the Beatitudes.. Be a peacemaker...thirst for righteousness...don't be afraid to stand up against what is wrong...Now did God decide all these thing are right or just? Do most of us feel these within ourselves as right?. Did he know this is what was best for us. Most other animals don't feel these desires within themselves.
PS: I realize I wont change your mind about anything...but I do believe God wants us to ask questions rather than just doing as your parents do or following a charismatic televangalist.
edward long
Mar 24 2012: As you can see Shaheem you have touched the souls of many believers with your provocative inquiry. TED limits responses to three so that these kind of conversations do not become marathon disputes generating much more heat than light. Please notice all of your respondents demonstrate a sense of patience and concern for your searching questions. You are experiencing the real world application of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Faith is a free gift of God's grace (Ephesians 2:8, 9). If you do not have faith it is because God has not given it to you. There is no other way to have faith, only as a gift from God. If you consider the evidence, both physical (Psalm 19; Romans 1:18-22), and spiritual (the Holy Bible), and decide to reject it all as fraudulent untruth, then you will never have everlasting life, instead you will perish, which is to become as if you never existed (John 3:16). Do not trifle with this subject as a way to entertain yourself online. Rid your heart of arrogance and begin a humble, open-minded search for God. He invites people to seek Him through the Holy Bible. You are correct to suspect modern translations of the Bible. Use the Authorized King James Bible, it is most faithful to the Majority Texts which are in-turn most faithful to the earliest manuscript copies. This is not a fun little game to be played using sophistry and endless challenges. Seek ye the LORD while He may be found. (Isaiah 55:6). May God move you to seek Him, Shaheem, farewell.
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Mar 24 2012: You said: If you do not have faith it is because God has not given it to you. There is no other way to have faith, only as a gift from God.
so god shows favoritism then? how is it he gave you it and not me and every atheist/Agnostic?
People don't have faith because they can see through the god foolishness, you claiming you were single out and got your gift of faith from god is just arrogance speaking.Mar 24 2012: I uderstand a lot of what you are saying Shaheem, but I feel like you deny the exsitance of God for two reasons. 1) because you look at the world and it doesnt seem like a place ruled like a loving God. 2) because you take things people are saying out of context..try to apply them to your life or how you think God should be and then play "devils"..haa haa advocate.
as for 1) there are definatly parts of this world that do not represent God. but is that his fault. If your Dad sends you to the store to get a gallon of milk and you go to the store and rob it because you felt like keeping the money. You get caught and say " I am just doing as my father told me." Is it your fathers fault. No it was your greed and selfishness you are just using his name truly in vain. We'll thats what I think of all these people killing themselves or robbing old ladies...in Gods name.
as for 2) You need to look at the bigger picture and nobody can explain it well enough in these responses to change your mind You even said you dont even want your mind changed..You will always find a contradiction or one sentence you can pick at. If you want to see proof you have to look for it in the people not on the 11:00 news or even here..but maybe at your local soup kitchen, in the closest hospital, talk to a group of elderly nuns sewing hats for kids...look up missionaaries in Haiti or Calcuta...even at a nearby prison. I think you might see be the physical evidence you are looking for.. Evidence you will feel as well as see.Mar 23 2012: What would consitute as a true atheist because from my understanding and experience, no atheist would ever deem themselves to be a "true" atheist.
Mar 23 2012: That's a tough one. Its a hard concept to imagine. I can easily imagine an agnostic person or a person who has no use for a supreme being or doesn't really care or even a person who rejects god..but a true atheist is tough... an atheist to me reminds me of a machine. A person who feels no inspiration, motivation, or influence in their lives except those derived from internal and external stimuli...chemical reactions. They don't feel the existence of a soul within them. They would react basically on chemical changes in their body and or conditioned responses. They don't know how they got here but they do know nothing made them. I think they would explain love as extreme chemical reaction or a strong urge to preserve their species.
Mar 24 2012: I just love that one James H.! The reply to Orlando question about "a true atheist".
All of your comments or powerful and intelligent, thanks for all your input, really appreciate reading all of them. Great job!! RefreshingMar 25 2012: Thanks James for your response.
But its very, very misinformed which is scary given the fact that Mireille agreeed with you, which shows how impressionable the mind really is.. nonetheless I respect the fact that you answered and please don't take my post as a sign of disrespect.Ok first off there is no such thing as a true atheist. Such a person does not exist and will not exist. Secondly atheism is not a philosophy, worldview, belief system, doctrine or anything. Atheism simply is the belief or notion that one can get by without some higher diety. Secondly its the repudiation and questioning of bad ideas (all of them). I for one do not ever identify myself as an athiest. I do not believe in god but I'm not athiest. Third, there is nothing you can tell about an indivdiual who is an athiest. You can't tell anything about my lifestyle, my politics or even my religoius beliefs (yes some atheist are religous and there are many religions that do not require a belief in God or Gods). It really is a word without content. Fourth to state that a "true atheist" is a person who feels no inspiration, motivation or influences in their lives and have a "chemical problem" is one of the worst descriptions I have ever heard and its quite offensives for the following reasons:
(1) it asserts that God is the source of inspiration, motivation which is quite incorrect. The brain and its physiology of ones is the souce of this
(2) It asserts that such a person is not a human being or at least have a problem with them. This is quite incorrect. For one there are many others sources for motivation (for example my son is the inspiration and motivation behind my success) not God and the fact that I can do this without the aid of God in my opinion only validates that God is not the source.
(3) All atheist value the life that we have being that this is the only life we can be certain of living.
Lastly, atheist are one of the most morally sound people I have ever met.Mar 25 2012: Ok...Your reply is why its near impossible to discuss this point in person and totally impossible to discuss this issue in a forum. You read my response...once I would presume. Let it stand alone...misread some of it and then commented...and asked me not to be offended. For one I am in no way offended even when you seemed to misread that I said Atheists have a "chemical problem" which I never stated...and needlessly commented on the impressionability of Merille's mind as someone who agrees with BOTH of us on the improbability of a true atheist.
I was looking at an atheist as one who does not believe in deities of any kind. I used the word "True Atheist" meaning one who Truly believes this and isn't just arguing in order to get a rise out of fundamentalists or because they like to point out the contradictions in organized religion. One who has looked at the evidence of both sides and thought about it and their own lives and isn't willing to say there is some kind of God or " I honestly don't know." but one who believes they do know there is no God one who Truly believes they came from nothing.
So I apologize if I was going by the only definition I had ever heard of an atheist. To me your definition sounds more agnostic.
Read the beginning of my comment I state how I can't even imagine someone being a "True Atheist" A point I think you miss that we are both agreeing on...
On another point, out of true curiosity could you name some of those religions that don't believe in deity?
Mar 25 2012: So, as I am one who does not believes in deities of any kind, would you say that I am your definition of a 'true' atheist. I truly believe it to be so and I am not just saying it to get a rise out of you. I have never seen anything to convince me otherwise and I wholeheartedly believe there to be no deities whatsoever.
Now, I am a part of the UNICEF team in my university. I volunteer to accompany elderly people who have no longer any friends nor family to talk to. I am an academically successful student headed for a cum laude degree with an inquisitive mind regarding the endless beauty of our world. I speak four languages because I believe a fuller linguistic comprehension allows me to connect with people more, both in understanding others and in explaining my own views to the best of my abilities. I exercise regularly and refrain from harming substances to keep myself in great shape to allow me to experience the world any which way I want. I love my family, my friends, my passions and the world. Yet here I stand, telling you that I believe there is no god. Once I leave this amazing, wondrous planet full of so many mysteries yet to be solved, so many places to visit, so many people to meet and experiences to be had, I will not move on to an afterlife. I will die and that will be the final period to my story.
Now please, please tell me that I remind you of a machine, how I am but a collection of chemical reactions and responses to external stimuli. Judging by the tone of your definition, you would also believe me to be inferior to you, if not personally then at least by quality of life. I'm a true atheist, I don't believe in the spiritual soul and I am certain that my life is as swell as yours. What does that say about this whole argument?Mar 26 2012: Hi James, I could have misunderstood your comment, after all you are the only one who knows what your really thinking and trying to say.
You are correct that I did take your chemical stimuli description out of context so I do owe you an apology and I state that I now understand what you were implying in that regard but I do not see how that is a bad thing when everyone operates like that
I know that you were not directing it towards me (remember I do not identify myself as an atheist) but your response is defiantly what many people envision myself, Johan and other non-believers to be like. You may not hold this perception but I can tell you that many believers do and that is what I was addressing. Don't think I think your a bad person and I know your intelligent, I was just pointing out how your analysis of what constitutes a true atheist, is exactly, from my experience and from others that I have talked to, what many believers think about us non-believers. I honestly do not know your personal beliefs so I was not attacking you. I just had to clear the air.
For one I TRULY BELIEVE that there is no God or Gods that any human being on this planet worships. I mean how could anyone possible know the true personality of GOD and write a book about it? You must note that this is just a belief, a thought from my mind. Now am I CERTAIN that there is no God? I do not think any body would ever claim that but belief and certainty are two separate things and many people on here are Certain that God exist and are too afraid to admit their doubt.
I have looked at the evidence from both sides and I still am but nothing has convinced me that I need to just all of a sudden take a leap of faith or that some supreme being exist.
My definition is nothing close to agnosticism. I have chosen a side, I just decided to not attach a label to my worldview and have taken the intellectually honest route, which is something I have yet to see anyone else doMar 26 2012: JOHAN....Nope you dont remind me of a machine at all...And if you do all those truly awesome things with no hint that you are connected to those around you in any other way than the fact that you all randomly evolved on the same planet that itself randomly banged into existance. Then you must be by your own beliefs...not mine. Doing what you do because thats how you randomly evolved. Why do things evolve? (very simplistically) because they mutate in such away that helps them to adapt and there species change in such away to help them florish and reproduce... all by chance acording to your beliefs. You cant really get upset or offended by my comment... I explained how I thought a true atheist must explain their own actions or exhistance... I dont actually believe those things about you personally..( that you are a machine and run on conditioned responses)...I couldn't because I know you are an atheist and I personally believe you are wrong.You say you love your family...that is awesome...Where did that love come from?...Isnt it just a highly evolved way to protect you family unit therefore ensuring your species survivies? Arent you just feeling bonds that all mammals feel to ensure the young stay close to their parents so they can be protected and learn...I dont think thats why you love them... But dont you?
edward long
Mar 22 2012: You are free to create as many options in your own world as you feel the need for. If you think heaven is a "crappy option" I do suggest you read what the landlord of Heaven says about it. You will find His description quite impressive even if you dismiss it as fictional propaganda. Borrow a King James Version of the Holy Bible and go to the last of the 66 books it contains. The book is commonly called "Revelation". Read chapter 21. It will likely be foolishness to you but you should sense something of the staggering beauty of heaven in this unsurpassed masterpiece of descriptive literature.
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edward long
Mar 23 2012: I think Mr.Carter's question is a plea for evidence which will make him know God is real. But, without faith it is impossible. He correctly notes that "it's all faith based." I hope he reads enough to see the faithful and true description of the afterlife for those who are born again, which, as you say, includes a perfect (sinless) Earth and Heaven. Heaven is so much more than a "crappy option" to Hell.
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Mar 24 2012: Cheers Edward!!
I really appreciate your comments and honesty. I always believe that people have their opinions and they can do, choose what they want, its their perogative. I just don't go for someone that call Heaven "a crappy option" to hell. People that are calling God crazy, mad etc. Lack of manners, if you ask me!
You may not agree, or understand something, but there is no need to disrespect God, or others that have faith for God.
I'm done with this conversation.. Shaheem, get a bible, read the coran, whatever that you need to understand, or even, to not understand about God, faith etc., it's all about you. Because most of us here, knowse what God, Jesus is for us.
Find your way, or get off the way of others, that find their ways to God. Furthermore, we did not choose God, He choose us, and from that, slowly but surely, is doing His work in us, to seek Him, through the eyes of faith, through Jesus.
Good luck finding what you are looking for....We all did, even the Quaker person!Mar 24 2012: Tell me Edward Long, why would god want you to walk by faith? doesn't that make you think? it makes no sense. according to the bible he left tons of evidence to the people in those days, why not us? (i thought god is the same yesterday,tomorrow and forever) how can a god punish humans like me, (w/e punishment he decides) due to lack of faith in him, why not leave evidence and punish me if i choose to ignore it? the bible has been remixed more times than an ignorant rap song. is god looking down from heaven and smiling at how his word has been edited,deleted and rearranged, to the point so many people created so many religions? some god! according to him the bible is absolute truth. which one!? the bible is just a book man made. name me something the bible predicted and actually happened the way it said it would. and remember if i tell you 20 years from now murders and hate will increase, men will become more greedy and lovers of themselves that's not a prediction. it's common sense. as long as you study society and human behavior you can always pin point humans future actions. but that's not a prediction. people always say these are the last days, they were saying that forever. the bible has some good points, but it's just a book!Mar 22 2012: Shaheem; An excellent point. To answer your question, I will point out how you should look at the scenario.
You shouldn't look at the situation as "do this or else". However it should be looked at in terms of God's love. It should be seen as God saying "Follow me because I don't want you to suffer in hell".
That raises the question why there is a hell, because if God loves us so much and doesn't want us to suffer, why doesn't he just get rid of it? Love is the answer again(weird right?). God gave us free will, he won't force us to follow him. He loves us so much that, no matter how much it pains him, he will allow you to turn away from him and choose hell. There is no middle road between heaven and hell. You choose to follow him or you don't. If you attempted to choose a middle road, you would not be following God.
The next question may be "If God knows what is going to happen, what is the point of the Universe we are in right now?". He created us as we are now because he wants us to understand the choice we make, so we know why we chose Heaven or hell and what led us to choose Heaven or hell.
So God isn't just throwing hell into the equation to get you to follow him. He is allowing it for your choice.
As for proof of God, I have enough proof for myself to the point where I will always believe that God exists. I find proof in probability.
If you compare a computer to a human being, it's quite obvious that the human is vastly more complex. If God didn't exist then we would had to have been created randomly. Since a computer is much less complex than a human, then it is more likely that a computer would be created out of a random event than a human. That means there should be a lot of computers floating around the universe, but the is not, because we created computers. If something much less complex than humans had to be created by humans to come into existence, then what would it take to create a human. I see this as God's work.
Any feedback would be nice.
Mar 22 2012: Wow, I just love your point of view Sterling Spencer, simple words, but the essence so powerful!!
Thank you for voicing your opinin with such intelligence and wisdom.
Be bless always!Mar 22 2012: I wholly agree with Mirielle, Mr Spencer, very well said.
Mar 27 2012: I thank you both.Mar 22 2012: Shaheem,
Pope John Paul 2 described God as "The all-knowing absolute."
The fallacy here is that the absolute is a universal equilibrium/unified state, while knowledge is based on distinctions and judgement.
The absolute is basis, not apex. As in absolute zero. So a spiritual absolute would be the essence of being from which we rise, not a moral and intellectual ideal from which we fell.
We are taught that good and bad are ultimate moral standards, but they are actually the primal biological binary code. Life is attracted to the beneficial and repelled by the detrimental. What is good for the fox, is bad for the chicken and there is no clear line where the chicken ends and the fox begins.
There are eastern religions which really don't have the western concept of a deity, because they are context oriented, not object oriented. It's more about the two sides creating the larger whole, rather then the goal focused nature of western thinking, with the various concepts of a higher deity as the ultimate totem. While nature is ultimately a function of balance, it is those most focused on goals which create outcomes in their favor, so that's why eastern religions might have a clearer understanding of reality, it is western religion based thought systems which are more politically successful. Until of course we reach the end of the line and all that karma kicks in. Oops.
Free will is something of a misnomer. If we were completely free of all influences, then we would have no influence on anything else either and it wouldn't matter whether we were free or not. The puppet pulls back on its own strings, giving meaning to the puppetmaster.
Mar 22 2012: So are you a christian,Atheist,Free thinker etc?
Correct me if am wrong, your saying it's impossible to make a choice if it isn't influence by something. (E.g genes,society, environment, etc) so no influences =no choice. i agree if this is what your saying, also on the free will being a ''Misnomer''
Mar 22 2012: I suppose I would be a deist, maybe a pantheist. Life is bottom up and there is no real explanation for its source. If all of biology is elementally conscious, its one mystery, but if life exists and consciousness arose from it, it's two mysteries.
Monotheism confuses one, with oneness. Oneness is connectedness, while one is a singular set. Life is connected, but it's not one single entity, rather an endless network that is constantly regenerating.
It was polytheists who invented democracy, because if the gods are arguing, a political system of discussion makes sense. Monotheism mostly supported monarchy, because if there is one ruler up in heaven, then it made sense to have one ruler down on earth. It was called the divine right of kings. God put me in charge, don't argue.
Another part of the problem with the idea of free will, vs. determinism is our concept of time. We think of it as a line from past to future, because that is how we see events in retrospect, but physically, it's the changing configuration of what is, turning future possibilities into past events. So rather than the earth traveling some fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow, tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth rotates.
If we view time as past to future, we can't change the past, or affect the future, but if it's the future becoming the past, due to what is happening in a permanent present, our actions affect what is around us, as they affect us.
Mar 22 2012: I cannot vote on this comment. Thumb up again and I love to read more from you.
Peter Law
Mar 21 2012: Hi Shaheem.
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So you are an Athiest because you disagree with God ? Now let me ask you; who is most likely to be right, you, or the creator of the universe; take a moment & think about it.
You are trapped on a cliff edge by wild beasts. There is a rope, or you can jump. Why do you think there should be a third choice ? Are you really going to jump because there isn't a stair ?
The creator of the universe came down & lived with us. Can you imagine what it would be like to be born as a tadpole so you could talk to tadpoles? Rather than be grateful; we tadpoles whipped him, spat on him, & nailed him to a cross. He knew we would do this, but he was our only shot at heaven, so he did it in real time in our history. That's what he thinks of us, he loves us.
I agree; I rebel at the Hell thing as well. I think it sucks & I don't understand it. However if the creator of the universe is inviting me to his house, I'm certainly not going to choose Hell just to upset him. He loves you dearly Shaheem, take the rope, don't be a Tadpole..
Mar 21 2012: Peter, how can anyone disagree with something that doesn't exist?
If you trust in life and your natural power, no beast will trap you on a cliff edge.
Animals only kill for food or out of fear.
Coming down as you say we call incarnated, coming in the flesh if you like. We all do we all create.
I think Peter, there's a lot more than hell you don't understand.
What's wrong wiith a tadpole? I talk to tadpoles all the time.
Mar 21 2012: You make a good point. I don't believe that unicorns exist. Because I do not believe they exist, I do not ask questions about how they think, why they do the things they do, why don't they reveal themselves to me.
If I did ask these questions, then it woould be logical to assume they exist.
Shaheem, I do believe that you know God exists, and I would go so far to state that ergo, you are no athiest.
You have questions, and I thank you for asking them.Mar 22 2012: Hey Peter law, I am an atheist because i don't believe in god.you can't use the bible to prove the bible. Allow me to Quote ''Frans Kellner'' Peter, how can anyone disagree with something that doesn't exist?
Ken brown
Mar 20 2012: Everyone has the right to believe what they want, if they are material/physically based as most athetic people are then fine,no ones going to burn you at the stake.Most young people these days don't have the conditioning that the classical so called christians have put people through,instead they have only a passing superficial knowledge of the bible as it is to confusing and full of contradictory passages.
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A christian can only argue from the book as that is his word passed to those who have faith in it.From what i know of the book i haven't seen anything that says you will burn in hell which comes from the word sheol which means the grave.There is a place set aside for the dark one and those who follow his ways but that is a temporary arrangement until it is time for them to go into the grave= nil input/zero output.Personally i don't think humans sprout wings when we die,it just means we cease to exist but hope our life,memories are recorded in the book of life until it is time to answer for what i have done with my life,rematerialized if you like,whatever but if we go to heaven then what the hell is the point of this universe and it's creation.
Of course you have people like yourself who have athetic beliefs and whatever you deem fit for yourself which is free will in action,we all have free will to take it or leave it at anytime,those who force something upon you are only trying to control you.
Sometimes though it's the culture ones born into that can make you feel you're in a prison.
Mar 20 2012: gr8 points
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Mar 21 2012: Hi mary
You're probably gonna think i'm a crackpot for it but when i was 18 i studied with a group of Jehovah's witnesses for a while until i felt i wasn't ready for such a big move.It was in their teaching material,over the years i've looked into other christian churches and have found that the witnesses are the odd ones out and are considered as nutters yet they use the same king james version of the bible as the rest of them except they use his name instead of the word god.
There is a controversial minister that has great insight into the old hebrew culture of the time when the books and letters were written,though i'm not an adherent to what they profess as their political views are somewhat silly,please exscuse me for the description but the words conservative republican is the best fit.It was his knowledge that drew me to listen, other than that, to me they're crackpots though i understand why doesn't mean it's right.
Chuck misseler of Koinonia house
What i meant by prison is that sometimes being born into a orthodox christian culture and not given a choice of what you want to do i.e baptizing a baby. which is a catholic tradition not the early christian practice is wrong and no where in the book says it must be done only an adult can make that decision for themselves.
Mar 21 2012: Ken, I think you have touched on something that is very valid and perhaps cuts to the heart of most of the disconnect between the faithful and the secular. It should probably be its own conversation, but you've made a good point about the overuse of Hell in Christian theology. The image of Hell as we understand it, as it has been taught for millenia, is largely a human construct, and as such, I consider it invalid for true preaching of the truth.
What concerns me is that this idea of hellfire and damnation, this image, is what really prohibits many people from truly studying scripture. Look at this very question! Shaheem's view is based on the understandable inability to reconcile a loving God with someone who's going to cast you away like trash if you don't bow down in abject supplication.
I was never fully in line with those of my generation who preached fire and brimstone and eternal torture to get drunks to convert. I know now that their desires were perhaps noble, and that they were doing the best they could with the tools they had, but except for some wonderful exceptions, mostly they backslid. I have always known that you can't scare someone into loving Christ, just as you can't tie the message of Christ's love in a red bow to the tip of a bullet. Trueconversion comes from those who know the truth to walk as lights for that truth.
To me, Ken, it sounds as though you have had an interesting walk, and I look forward to reading more of your insights in future discussions.
Peter Law
Mar 21 2012: Revelation 20:13-15 (KJV)
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And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Lake of Fire sounds like the final resting place.
Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
God lives forever with His people in a new universe.
Mar 22 2012: You know i have read revelation from top to bottom and have listened to it from many ministers and yet i'm confronted with something like this all the time,thanks pete
On a personal view,i think the lake of fire is for those of us that follow and have fallen,those of us that have walked away after the baptisim,those of us that have used it for personal gain and those that have let ourselves cooldown and those that utter the words but are empty.
I'm still looking for the poorest of the seven.Maybe one day i'll take the last step as that to me is the unbreakable contract which still scares me now.Alas i'm not here to try to convert as like the book said, they will be treated better than those that knew the word.
Do you think Christianity will have to go underground when the time comes?
Peter Law
Mar 23 2012: Hi Ken.
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The Lake of Fire is for those who are not recorded in the Book of Life.
John 3:16-17 (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The qualification; 'Belief in Him'; that's it. Yes true belief should motivate you to try & please Him. We all fail to a greater or lesser extent,& to God sin is sin. If you truly believe then that's it, you'll be there. Go for it.
Christianity has always grown stronger during persecution, that way the dross floats off & the true church emerges. It may go underground, but the doors will always be open .
:-)Mar 20 2012: IT'S ALL ABOUT FAITH!
If you choose to believe in God or in devil, is your own choice. You just know, if you choose one, it will bring you that, and if you choose the other, it will bring you this.
Why do you beleive in atheism ? This your choice, this is your faith, this is what you decide to believe! Is it because, you think you're so much it, that you cannot conceived to have someone over you : God. Please bare with me, this is not an insult to you as a person, just for the purpose of this discussion.
What I love about the idea of God, within all His power that He his, He let you be and become whom you want to be, free of it all. You come to Him if you want...How great is that?
It's like anything else, is building a relationship right? You meet this beautiful woman, on your case, and you don't know her prior, but there is an attraction, you want to know more about her, you want to please her, make her happy etc., you construct your relationship base on love, trust, caring etc, even if you don't see her at times or all the time...You choose to do that for someone that you don't even know...that eventually, you come to know.
GOD is like that, learn to know Him and He will let himself known to you.
As you said Shaheem, mind is well be on God side, and look for His face, 'cause you might burn on two side, but I pray to see you in heaven, after all this. Listen to Joel Osteen : www.joelosteen.com, once in your life on any giving Sunday to the end of it.
PS: God create all things in His image : Pink unicorn in blue jeans! Why not, everything is possible. What's impossible to man, is possible to God!
It's like saying to a kid that Santa Claus does not exist...you'll have the fight of your life with that 5yrs old, and he will win! Cheers!
Mar 20 2012: Keep in mind, i don't have a problem with someone being over me. i have a issue with someone that gets a hard on for praise and gets upset and threatens me with eternal fire if i don't give him it. like honestly. why does me praising you even matter. reminds me of a delusional celebrity who gets piss when his/her fans don't care about them anymore. If you talk to God you're religious. If God talks to you, you're psychotic. building a relationship with god is an illusion, it's no different than a kid building a relationship with Santa.
gods needs to build a relationship with me, he no i exist. am the one who thinks he doesn't. every accomplishment you gain in your life is due to your hard work, your choices. there is no evidence that your prayers or god had something to do with it. if you grew up in a world were they believed mickey mouse is the reason you breathe, then you would be thanking mickey mouse for every step you take. it's so sad how people say god answered my prayer. really? you mean he choosed your minor prayer over the starving kids, who really needs it? that's people's arrogance if you ask me
Mar 20 2012: I don't know you Shaheem, but you seem to be so angry about something, that you did not dare to face within you!!
All the best to you though!! I will pray that God touch your heart, like he did for Paul!! You'll come back after and preach to us all how wonderful and powerful God is in your life, all that you have, and ever be, it's because of Him!!
Cheers!Mar 20 2012: I agree with Michelle. You seem to be very angry. I have said this before and I will say it again:
God did not condemn you to Hell. He did not. No way. No how. No. Non. Nein. Nicht. Nyet.
Since you have said that experiences and the past shape our decisions, then i will guess that someone along the way misrepresented God as some sort of callous, heartless killer who loves watching us squirm. But please know that is how some PERSON represented God. It is not who He is.
Mar 20 2012: I don't understand why you assume am angry. hey, i guess that's you perceptionMar 21 2012: All of your comments have this : "Beyond mad", "madness" "crazy" quotes in them...simple as that!
If you're not...my apologies than!Apr 1 2012: Verble,
You keep saying that God does not condemn us all to hell, that we were already condemned to hell. But don't you also believe that God created everything, including hell, and set up the rules so that we were already pre-condemned to hell? Doesn't that amount to the same thing?Mar 21 2012: Shaheem, my apologies for not noticing it sooner, but you have an excellent question in asking why God would answer someone's minor prayer over helping starving children. Very very valid concern for many people.
Let me start by dispelling the myth that believers just pray to God and God gives them stuff. Yes, I have heard people say, "I needed a car and was only expecting a Toyota and God got me a Lexus.". This is a lie. The whole thing about prayer is to get us into synch with God, prayer is not some magical spell used to conjure up goods and stuff, but rather, prayer is a method by which we commune with God in order to ask Him what we need to pray about.
Now, I know scripture quoters are going to jump all over this, (pray as though it's already done, give you desires of your heart, etc.) but delving deeper into scripture, we find that through constant prayer and communion with God, we align our desires with His. Ergo, when we pray for our desires, we are now praying for His.
I'll end with an example. There's a Christian band called Jars of Clay, had a mega crossover hit in the mid-90's, gave them enough cash to do whatever they wanted. I read an interview with them t the time,where they thanked God, and prayed that they would never have so much worldly success that they would led from Him. They have not had another mega-crossover hit since, but they have continued to make albums and have started many humanitarian organizations, one which builds wells for drinking water for those in villages where there is no clean water. Do you see the connection? These musicians prayed, and starving children get fed.
Does that mean starvation is eradicated? Not yet. But it can be, through the working of all decent people, whether they pray or not, whether they believe in God or not, but when it is eradicated, many people's prayers will have been answered.
Comment deletedMar 20 2012: I think by definition people who believe in god mostly also believe in the devil and people who don't believe in god also don't believe in the devil by implication. There isn't really a choice of believing in god or the devil.
As for your analogy with Santa, it's perfect! It's hard to convince a child that's totally swayed that he doesn't exist even if they don't have any evidence to back it up and it's just an idea promulgated by parents and culture, sound familiar?Mar 21 2012: Hi Mireille,
You stated that it is all about faith and from what I read from your post you would want this faith to be respected am I correct?
So allow me to create a scenario for you and see if your position still stands because if it does not, I think you would really need to question your own personal convictions.
What if I was to create a post stating that I had a dream that God and Jesus came to me. In this dream, God told me that I was his second son and that Jesus was my brother. Since Jesus is in the Kingdom of Heaven, God left it to me to cleanse the world of false Gods and infidels.
So the next day I wake up and create a post on TED talking about how profound and real this dream was. I start talking about my experiences within this dream and what God has planned for me to do. I decide that it is an "idea worth spreading" that Jesus and God wants me to rid the world of infidels and false Gods and any person or culture that practice these things must be wiped out and killed.
Now there is no evidence to back up any of these claims. How do I know the people in my dream was really God and Jesus? If I seriously believed any of this to be true should such a view be respected? What are the implications of such beliefs?
For me to actually believe that I was in the presences of God and Jesus and they wanted to spread their message and rid the world of evil things and people, wouldn't I have to take this all on faith to seriously believe this? There is nothing in my post that requires evidence to back up the experiences from my dream. I would have to take a serious leap of faith to assume not only that this was God and Jesus but that they wanted me to carry out such a plan
My question to you is would you still accept such a position to be true? with the exception of mass murder how is my experience different than that of Moses, Abraham, Saul of Tarsus or Saint Teresa? How would the TED community respond to this? should they respect my belief?
Mar 21 2012: Amazing example Orlando, i would love to hear Mireille's responseMar 21 2012: Hello Orlando,
First and foremost, I would never aloud, permit, give power to any human being to make me think differently of my own, or bring doubts to MY convictions. Aint not happening!! This is how strong my faith IS in what I CHOOSE, and in all my rights to do so.
Now this being said, FAITH IS : "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". Is to beleive in something that you never seen. It's like a pregnant mother, she knowse there is something in her belly, never seen it, touch it, or even "physically" touch it. It's like planting a grain in spring...you don't see it for a while before it comes out the ground, but you believe that you'll see it, you know deep down, that it will grow...
Secondly is about choice. I CHOOSE to believe in this, or in that. This is my rights also. If the dream you're suggested above, make sense to you and you believe in it, why not Orlando? Do you know how many dreams, ideas that will never see the day, because people let others to convince them of the contrary of their beliefs?
I'm not here to change anybody else mind, convictions, ideology, philosophy, this is why I love the platform of TED, it aloud us to express in a coherent, respectful manner our opinions, there is no rights, or wrong here, and it help me grow...
I don' t have to agree with you, Shaheem or anybody that have another opinions then mind, or that even oppose my way of thinking. It all good to me...
I'm secure in myself to respect the differences or our voices, ideas etc. without trying to change others mind, by trying to make them think like me.
Mar 21 2012: first allow me toI offer my apologies if you were offended in any way.
but I think you may have taken my post out of context. I said you need to QUESTION, not CHANGE you position. No where in my post did I say I was going to change your mind. If you have faith then you have faith. I question my personal convictions all the time. It's what keeps me open to new possibilities. It's what help me learn from others as well as myself. I can have a process of reflection without having to change my own position and change the way my life is. if it leads to that then go right ahead but before you decide to pounce consider the point i was trying to make. If you think that I am trying to convert you to a non-believer then you are very highly mistaken being that I do not count atheism as a religion (I do not even use the word) but I see no harm in saying that people need to reconsider their position (this includes myself).
All I was simply implying, from a logical standpoint, is that if someone created a post, as I have mentioned in my last post, about such things (that required faith as I have mentioned) would you or any other believer support such a claim and if not why?
From what I read, it seems like your ok with such a dream. What I do not think you realize is that over 20 million people were killed because such a man was incapable of changing his mind and influenced everyone else (this was an actual event called the Taiping Rebellion). Once again I am offering a perspective and possible dangers of blind faith. To me this is a major problem and extends well beyond the realm of religion (Nazism, fascism, etc). Just somethings to consider.
I am almost certain many believers would not adhere to such a post and the reason is because millions of people were killed but in the end he was only doing what his faith (and in the case God and Jesus) told him to do.Mar 21 2012: You did not offend me Orlando! I respect your points of view, even if I don't agree with them all.
I speak for myself, I will adhere in such a post, because I want to express my opinion and put it outhere and learn from others also.
Obviously, Hong Xiuquan was somewhat and extremist in his ways, and if people accept and follows what he impose on them...well history shows you that 20M innocent died from it, and it's really sad and I condamn such ways in the name of Jesus, Allah or any other deity.
For argument say, if this Xiuguan was right and God told him to do so. Whom I'm I to discuss about God ways ? His the master mind, he has a plan and a agenda for His planet and world that He created, so if 20M person have to died for the purpose of his plan, hey, we are all going to die eventually, right? I don't agree with it, but I'm one of his creation, he can do whatever, because I believe He knowse best!
MAN (human), change GOD in anything that they want, just to get and feel the power that come with it, so that they can have control, power, money over others...Anything that uses the name of God, Jesus, Allah, Jehovah to killed, murdered, I will never stand for that...but again, to each their own CHOICE to believe and have FAITH in what they want.
Whatever you do on this planet, good or bad, it will come back to you, somehow...so for me, I choose to do good, be at peace, respect others that respect me, and believe in what I want, no matter what others may think.
.Mar 19 2012: Let me put it another way.
If God is to man a creator like sun and rain have created a tree so it is natural to any tree for the leafs to search the sunlight while the roots reach out for water.
I'm no atheist nor do I believe in God so I'm not invited to answer but anyway, think it over.
Mar 20 2012: No agnostics, buddhists or other allowed right?
What are you doing here Frans?
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Mar 26 2012: I really try my best to understand if you Christians actually study what you read. i mean how come i see it but you don't. tell me how is it, god created this beautiful garden with adam and eve, then allowed a ''Serpent'' to gain access to it and temp them? first off, why is satan even in the same existence as adam and eve. this is the same guy that tried to take over your heaven so you cast him out (according to the bible) so you cast him out, and ironically he gains access to your beautiful garden? wow! god fails again!!! another question, people always say you can't enjoy good without the bad, you need pain in order to grow (and i agree) but answer this, what if adam never ate the fruit? then pain,sadness etc would of not exist. so if we really need the opposite of bad to grow, then if adam and eve never sinned they wouldn't of growN mentally? they wouldn't of been able to appreciate the good since there wouldn't have been no bad? if that's the case, your god was cheering for satan and praying to himself that adam failed. what makes you think god didn't call satan & give him directions and uttered: GET THEM MY FRIEND.
Mar 26 2012: Shaheem,
The funny thing about Christians is that they really ignore much of the old testament because of the fact that they know how much of a monster God was, so they choose to just focus on the new testament without really realizing two things:
(1) they still adhere to parts of the old testament. Many Christians I know constantly talk about the first five gospels.
(2) Jesus actually never really repudiated any of the things that his father said in the old testament (or for those who are Jewish and will get offended for me saying Old Testament I'll just say Torah). All he did was add compassion to the mix but other than that he also talked about how if people do no follow what his father says they'll burn in hell. (For those who think this is false I am more than willing to get a direct quote from the bible)
since its only three more hours left for this thread I'll say this: there are many accounts in bible that really do not match with history:
For example, Moses saving the Jews from the Egyptians is not a true story. There is no account of such events taking place in Egyptian history.
Secondly, Jesus being crucified at the Cross on top of a Hill on a sunset is not true at all. Back in those days, Romans used to put people on the cross on their roads, not hills. The reason for this is because the Romans used these people as examples. This was to show anybody that if they broke Roman law, the same thing would happen to them. It was not part of Roman custom to crucify people on a Hill. All roads leading to Rome would allow traveler to see who has been bad and Jesus would not have been an exception to this rule..
I could go on but being that I know very few Christians know this (because they get their faith or facts from the Bible) I am with Shaheem in saying, How many of you actually study what you read?
From my understanding, very little of what is said in the bible is factual. Knowing this I know realize why faith is so important
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One of the coolest things about running a blower is that you can run more camshaft timing. The blower will tend to tame the cam, making the engine idle better, and with more vacuum, too (which is great for power brakes). For this build we chose a COMP Cams custom hydraulic roller that featured conservative figures on a 114-degree centerline (230-degrees of duration at 0.050-inch valve lift on the intake with 0.560-inch lift and 244 degrees and 0.600 inch on the exhaust side). Making the valves open and close is the job of Isky valvetrain components. Roller rockers and hydraulic lifters (coupled with one of their HR Rev kits that helps gain a little more engine speed and top-end power) are connected by stout pushrods from COMP Cams. Complementing the outstanding design and flow capability of the heads are the Beehive valvesprings and retainers from COMP Cams.
With the long-block built rock solid, the ancillary items need to be up to snuff, as well. For our 383 we added a complete Milodon oiling system to keep all things lubricated and moving smoothly, and a COMP Cams timing set to coordinate cam to crank movement. A Speed-O-Motive cover and TCI pointer make timing chores easy. Rounding out the front of our "Iron Warrior" is an Edelbrock aluminum water pump. Of course, an engine is only as good as the fasteners that hold it together and the gaskets that keep the fluids inside doing their job. ARP supplied all of the good nuts, bolts, studs and washers, while Corteco gaskets sealed it all up.
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Finally, converting that boosted mix of air and fuel into power and torque is the job of a coordinated ignition system. Here, MSD fills the bill with everything from the low-profile billet distributor (PN#85551) and coil (PN#8207) to a rev-controlled ignition box (PN#6200) and beefy plug wires (PN#31229).With regard to being built tough, all in all, when we hit the dyno to see what this real Danger Mouse was made of, we felt confident that it went together with a combination of parts that would not only hold its own in the power department, but for a long time to boot.
While the crew at Speed-O-Motive was putting this engine together, there were bets going around as to how much power it would make. The magic number everyone agreed upon was 600 hp, but a few holdouts hoped for more like 650 ponies. On the best pull of the day we walked away with just over 650 hp and 612 lb-ft on a livable 10-psi of boost. But note: All this power was made on Shell Performance 105-octane unleaded fuel, not on pump gas. Lower boost pressures around 5-6 psi could probably live on 91-octane, but anything over 10 psi from these high-winding little Roots blowers, and you'd better run some good juice. We also used Quaker State's Q-Racing synthetic motor oil to make sure the higher oil temps associated with running extended boost would be easily managed. Just for kicks, we also ran the engine on regularly available 91-octane pump gas, limiting top rpm to just 5,000 to keep blower temps down, and still managed a whopping 615 hp and 556 lb-ft at 6-psi boost; not at all bad for a Roots-style, street-worthy small-block on pump gas. Totally awesome for a great street-fighting machine!


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Above, staff at Rutland Healthcare & Rehabilitation Center evacuate patients to a waiting bus after a furnace malfunction Tuesday afternoon. At left, city firefighters Kyle Goodrich and Mike Robillard place a smoke extractor near the centers furnace area to clear out excess heat caused by a blowback.A Rutland nursing home was evacuated Tuesday after a boiler fire injured two maintenance workers and left the Nichols Street facility without heat.
Eighty-nine residents at Rutland Healthcare & Rehabilitation Center were evacuated to locations including Rutland Regional Medical Center, The Pines, Mountain View Center, Rutland Manor, Springfield Health and Rehabilitation Center in Springfield and Claremont Center in Claremont, N.H., according to center spokeswoman Jeanne Moore.
Two residents went home with their families, according to Moore, and all families had been notified of the move by late Tuesday afternoon.
Brad LaFaso, deputy chief of operations for the Rutland City Fire Department, said the center had been having trouble with its heating system and that contractors from Dependable Heating were working on it when the fire broke out.
We call it a furnace blowback, but the boiler did catch on fire and explode, LaFaso said. I dont know the extent of the injuries, but they took superheated gas into their lungs. Theyre going to be in the hospital for quite some time.
LaFaso said he did not have the names of the injured workers. A call to Dependable Heating in Castleton was not immediately returned Tuesday afternoon.
LaFaso also said he did not know the cause of the blowback.
The call came in shortly after 12:30 p.m. while crews from the Rutland City Fire Department were still at a fire on Elm Street. As of mid-afternoon, temperatures were still comfortable and the center and LaFaso said there was no immediate threat to the rest of the building.
Most of the floors are separated by cement, he said. In the basement area, we are exhausting the heat out of that area, as well as the carbon monoxide and fumes.
However, LaFaso said there was no indication that heat would be restored that day, and that temporary heating equipment would complicate an evacuation and interfere with safety measures like fire doors hence the decision to evacuate.
Theres obviously consideration and hazards of moving patients on this magnitude, he said. Some are wheelchair-bound. Some are bedridden. Its going to be a labor-intensive job. There are always risks involved in that. There are also risks in keeping them in a building with no heat and minimal fire coverage.
Rutland Healthcare and Rehabilitation Center is owned by Genesis HealthCare, as is the nearby Rutland Manor and the Claremont Center. Administrator Chad Dingman said the facility had about 160 staff.
At this point, were working with the management response team to put the best plan in place for what we have going on, Dingman said shortly after 3 p.m. Were trying to relocate a large number of people with varying levels of medical conditions without compromising any kind of care that can be provided.
LaFaso said Fabian Excavating, The Bus, Regional Ambulance and Rutland Regional Medical Center were assisting with the evacuation late Tuesday afternoon.
Its going to be a while, he said. Weve got a lot of beds to move. Each beds 400 pounds. ... Everythings been coordinated and things have been going smoothly.
Later in the day, Moore said the centers staff would accompany the patients to their new locations and report to work there until the patients return. She said repairs to the heating system could take up to two days.
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