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Calvin & Culture, Reconsidered
One of the greatest social scientists credits John Calvin for the rise of capitalism and, by extension, modern Western culture itself. That is quite an influence and quite a tribute to Calvin. Nevertheless, though there is some truth to the …Read More
Where Is the Glory Found?
As birthdays go, it's a big one. It is fitting and appropriate that we would mark the five-hundredth anniversary of the birth of John Calvin. Trouble is, that occasion is being marked in at least two different ways. First …Read More
The Pastor-Scholar
As far as John Calvin was concerned, almost nothing was more urgent for the church than the reformation of pastoral ministry. For centuries, most ministers had been shockingly ignorant of the Scriptures and thus ill-equipped to preach the gospel. As …Read More
The Theater of God's Glory
Ever since in the creation of the universe he brought forth those insignia whereby he shows his glory to us, whenever and wherever we cast our gaze. …And since the glory of his power and wisdom shine more brightly above …Read More
The School of Jesus Christ
When I first received the intelligence of the death…of your son Louis, I was so utterly overpowered that for many days I was fit for nothing but to grieve; and albeit I was somehow upheld before the Lord by …Read More
The Key of Paradise
By these words he explains that, in order that the shedding of his sacred blood may not be nullified, our souls are cleansed by the secret watering of the Spirit. For the same reason, also, Paul, in speaking of cleansing …Read More
The Bond of Love
We shall benefit very much from the Sacrament if this thought is impressed and engraved upon our minds: that none of the brethren can be injured, despised, rejected, abused, or in any way offended by us, without at the same …Read More
The Great Exchange
"In the cross of Christ, as in a splendid theater, the incomparable goodness of God is set before the whole world. The glory of God shines, indeed, in all creatures on high and below, but never more brightly than …Read More
The Theologian
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Living for God
"We are God's: let us therefore live for him and die for him. We are God's: let his wisdom and will therefore rule all our actions. We are God's: let all the parts of our life accordingly …Read More
Good Old Calvinism
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Savoring the Institutes
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Crossing the Channel
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Fair enough, PF. Seeing as most of the other fests practically ban any kind of illicit substance talk (and I'm largely responsible for it), let's all be orderly and adhere to her dictom. This be the new d*** thread.
Her post specifically objected to the thread title. Please explain to me what forum this could possibly be in that would be more appropriate than the Miscellaneous Lounge. It has nothing to do with Coachella or Music, so what the fuck are you proposing?
randy ill be heading up probably next week
wow she use to have boobs and an ass. drugs are bad... mmmmkay
1. the thick AW looks much better than the crackwhore version (or is it heroine whore... maybe both)
2. when new people and people who haven't been on the boards for a while arrive & they start searching for the "drug" thread, aren't they just going to start a new one with the word in the title again? I'm fairly certain that's how the last thread got started. It just seems futile to try and hide the fact that kids do drugs. Denial is why the war on drugs never succeeded. imo.
every thread that isn't about the festival or music should be in this forum. i try to shun the coachella misc forum as we didn't have that sort of thing in my day. ya know, the days of onions on belts and such
oh, and hooray goofballs!
and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say.
AW looked good thick, but I want to take a trip...
My name is Becca. Hi.
Facebook, yo.
good lord.
she looks now like a damn zombie
she's kind of irrelevant to the thread though, seeing as she's a crackhead, not an acid freak.
She was always ugly, now she's just more streamlined.
I was digging through posters today, seems relevant to this thread:

Disclosure - October 12 - Reno, NV.
Treasure Island Music Festival - October 19 - San Francisco, CA.
Portugal, The Man - October 22 - Reno, NV.
Cut Copy - October 31 - Reno, NV.
Phoenix w/ Alt-J - December 5 - Reno, NV.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 23:49
Seen this in a recent XP SP3 VM that was not configured to use WSUS.
I installed the certificate revocation optional / recommended update and it seemed to sort itself out in my case.
I've seen Animalware service, Windows Security Essentials, McAfee Antivirus etc also cause this issue though during a botched definition update.
Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:22
Seen this in a recent XP SP3 VM that was not configured to use WSUS.
I installed the certificate revocation optional / recommended update and it seemed to sort itself out in my case.
I've seen Animalware service, Windows Security Essentials, McAfee Antivirus etc also cause this issue though during a botched definition update.
This one? http://www.microsoft...s.aspx?id=39802
Posted 14 September 2013 - 01:01
Well slip streaming is a great way to handle this. I guess the best way to avoid this problem and continue to use XP will be to slipstream all updates after XP SP-3 including the very last ones MS makes up until the cut off date.
After April 2014 no more XP updates except paid hot fixes for companies. So at the point if the slip stream is done right then every fresh install will have SP-3 and all the updates after. There will be no need run Windows or Microsoft update at all and should be disabled.
Just make sure to have as much protection as possible to mitigate attacks. Disable unnecessary services and if possible perform any registry tweaks that are for security purposes, disable file and print sharing if stand alone machine.
Also some programs like Nlite let you remove certain Windows components not needed that could also reduce the attack surface.
Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:49
I have struggled with this problem for a while. However, today, after trying almost every apparent solution suggested in various forums, and having given up and set Updates to OFF, and disabling the update service, I tried once more just to see what happened.
If anyone with this problem... 100% CPU on svchost.exe, (in my case, specifically relating to updates) uses Process Explorer, as I do, they should see the related process, Wuauclt.exe.
Instead of killing the svchost process, I decided to try killing the wuauclt process instead.. Aha.... it did not die, or should I say, it died only to be resurected immediately, and immediately the system started to download updates, with no more high CPU hogging..
I have no idea why this worked, but as nothing else has, I consider this may be a 'fix' of some sort...
Posted 18 September 2013 - 20:27
Hi. Typically Wuauclt.exe. is what I see also. I am telling you this problem goes back years but it was also hit or miss for me because some machines had this behavior and others did not.
I forget though if it had to do with Windows Update or Microsoft Update. There is a difference and I always choose Microsoft Update as it gives you more updates than the standard Windows Update.
In the end like I said once there are no more updates it is best to slip stream them all into a CD with SP-3 and remove unnecessary components and every fresh install will be up to date so to speak
Think Micro XP where Nlite and others can strip out things. Also don't forget to disable Auto Update.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 14:07
Once again It's a recent thing. Which is why I thought I was using bad media at first. When I would do a clean install I would check for updates via windows update and the bar would go across for maybe 10 / 15 seconds and then go to the next step. Wonder my surprise when one day 10 / 15 seconds turned into minutes with 100% usage on every new install.
Posted 02 October 2013 - 14:07
What do those links have to do with the issue?
Posted 02 October 2013 - 16:42
I had the same problem.
end of last I install reinstall xp with service pack 3 in a dualboot system and it refused to even check for update saying could not find the page.
had to manually download windows updater and install and it just stayed at scanning for updates.
only way I got around it was install xp with service pack 2 and windows update worked. and installed service pack 3 and still worked and fully updated the system.
Posted 02 October 2013 - 17:01
Could is possibly be something with the Microsoft Update website and/or whatever applet they force people to install before running the update scan? Or I guess since the WU service phones home, and it might be getting a command to bust ass while doing the update scan.
My thought is that if this is something recent, then obviously it isn't a specific update to the core OS since the PCs we're talking about aren't up-to-date.
Regardless, this is something Microsoft really needs to fix. It can't be that difficult and may not even require an software update or anything.
Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:41
Hi to all. This problem is now very common. Absolutly every fix fails on multiple machines.
The only common demominator I can see is that its always lowly single core CPU's
Any fresh XP install, SP3 just immediatly goes 100% on the WU site.
I had success a couple of months ago with a Core2Duo, but since then have had many P4 and 1.6 Celeon boxes that fail.
I know it probably isn't CPU specific, but from an engineering point of view it's like the engine just cannot cope?
MSEssentials also causing this 100cpu in its updates on many PC's I'm seeing (low spec) as well.
Whats going on?


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Why is art (or artistically creative fields) often not taken seriously?
My question is self-explanatory.
I live in India where the shortest path to success in life is getting a degree and a good job. Its basically the traditional way. Very few actually pursue something artistic. And very few parents actually encourage it.
I found that most parents don't want their children to take risks and enter the creative fields. Most want their kids to be engineers and doctors. Here in India, most kids either end up wanting to be an engineer or a doctor and many parents want just that. Maybe its the financial stress but there's no explanation for it.
The creativeness in kids is killed although some lucky ones have it until the end of their lives. This is also shared by Ken Robinson''s talk. Creativity is art and its sad to see art dying in the younger generations.
As you can see this is very prevalent in my country and other Asian countries. You can also figure out why we can be kind of over-achievers if we try hard. John Maeda's father as said in this TED talk says that his father told a certain shop owner that he was "good in math" while his teacher had said that John was good in "math and art". His father had left out art. I've been in similar situations too and its kind of sad to see that your talent is not uphold-ed or recognized by the ones you hoped would appreciate it. Maybe I was not good enough, but it didn't mean that I couldn't improve. Many go through this and I think coming up with a solution should be on our agenda.
What can you do to change this? Are you willing to change your society?
How can we keep children interested and their love for art burning through their school life?
Is this something only my generation will have to face? Do you think this will change in later generations?Will we be supportive of our children in what they are good at, and at not what you want them to be?
gale kooser
Jul 14 2013: As an artist, I'd like to butt in here.
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My dad was always against me wanting to be an artist. His reason: I wouldn't make any money!
He started his comments when I was 12 yrs. old. When I turned 18, I finally told him, that everything built by humans was first thought up by someone who had an artistic mind and that included the bloody chair he was sitting in. Yes! I ran for cover after that remark but I proved many points.
It's true, you have to have talent & be darn good at it to "make money", but to me (and many other artists) it's not about the money,it's about self expression.
The cave drawings, of early humans, are beautiful examples. We try to interpret why they were drawn, and maybe are assumptions are right, but the again, maybe not. We weren't there to ask why that artist(s) drew them. We just enjoy & wonder.
Art spawns creativity and can lead to so many wonderful things.
Example: A surgeon does doodling on a pad of paper to ease stress between operations and unconsciously draws a new medical device. An engineer does the same thing, as do others in various fields including math.
In a lot of schools, art has been dumped and that has been a huge mistake. Lack of funding they say!
Only a very few students of art will become successful but the rest learned a valued lesson: How to create!
And will take that lesson far beyond a simple class room into their chosen field.
Jul 14 2013: This pretty much nailed everything.
Btw, nice convincing argument you made. If you didn't make it convincing, it sounds like you would have been disowned by your parents lol.
"Lack of funding they say!"
Lack of funding used for more useless textbooks hehe
gale kooser
Jul 14 2013: By the way! I am now 68 years old and that 18 year old kid still is making a living at art.
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Not disowned by my parents just my dad. My mom was my biggest supporter.
Text books go out of date but art doesn't.
Now I'll get off my soap box.
Jul 14 2013: Being an artist takes courage. You have to deviate from society a lot.
Out of almost any other people in society, I think Artists are the most true to themselves and they aren't afraid to show it.
"Text books go out of date but art doesn't."
U artists and your quotes... lolJul 14 2013: My heart warmed when I read that you took a stand for what you wanted.
And yes, I myself have so much to express and only art provides me a way to express myself in various ways.
I don't understand when they say that art is no more in schools due to lack of funding. Like, when does schools need huge funds to lets the children sit and imagine and put it to paper. The most basic needed is paper,a set of pencils, maybe colors. And in most cases, it is all brought to school by the student itself.
Can anyone explain me why they need huge funds? Unless they are in college pursuing something like sculpting or architecture, I don't see needs of huge "funds". A student art gallery can be created in schools anywhere. Even in the hallways.
This is so sad to hear that many people have lost their passion for something.
Jul 14 2013: The sports in schools suck up most of the funds and folks have to have their sports don't they?
Ya don't need color for art to have an impact! I do a lot of pencil work (not colored pencils) and when I show a piece of my black & white work, it causes folks to really stop and look at the art piece. No blast of color draws their eye, just the work its self draws them in.
Art always has had it's ups & downs in the lime light and now is no exception, but it's still here & folks are still becoming artists, against all sorts of odds.
The passion has never left, just taken a side step for now.Jul 27 2013: Well i live in kerala,a state in india in the heart of this problem i must say.Here people who pursue art are stigmatised so much by the orthodox society that they tend to conceal their talents and creativity in art as if it was something to be ashamed of.Well,it definetly is nothing to be ashamed of , i love art and language buts lets face it ,no art or language has changed the way humans live ,no art has ever revolutionised life as a whole,so artists are not considered a prerequisite for a "developed" nation of the modern era.
But when we live in such a competetive world let's reason, art is a person's inherent skill,it is the true expression of his inner being.He was not taught art but was rather born with it, now since he was gifted with this free of cost,he must put in some effort in life.Now the effort he puts in is the risk he faces by going up against a hostile world which looks down upon him.
Nothing good comes free and the price one pays for becoming an artist is by risking his life.If so, why bother if no one ever patted an artist on the back and encouraged him.
Jul 28 2013: I'm glad that as an Indian you see my dilemma but u ask, why i should bother? Well because its worth bothering about. If you question in similar manner to each and everything I doubt u will find an answer for everything.
Does it not make you happy when you see others happy? Being happy is not only something temporary, Each and every person has and needs the right to be happy his/her own life. Its how we build a community, its how we make things happen, its how we in return live happy.
If someone is talented to do stuff and then does not get encouraged or appreciated then eventually becomes an unhappy person.he might get over it but it leaves a dent. Every person must use his talent to give back something to the world or just to satisfy himself. Thats how a person stays happy, doing what he likes even if its not accepted by everyone, even if he does it part-time. I'm guessing you are a christian and in the Bible, it tells us to use our talents.
So now ask me again why I should bother about this?
Aug 5 2013: I think u got me a little wrong.The question was nothing but a rhetoric.My point was simple,all what i meant to say was that since art can never be meausured on the same scale as that of science in terms of improving our understanding of our world or improving human life as a whole,the artist has no moral right to claim a recognition or appreciation that is recieved by a scientist.Now since art is more or less a form of entertainment and the arist an ingenious creation of God, he has to fight his way up to the top.I said that this struggle is a part of his life and who he is and if we were to take it away he would never turn out to be as great as he could.....Remember the story of the man who helped a butterfly break free from its cocoon and the butterfly died in the end,same thing,names changed
Qamar Riaz
Jul 17 2013: I always wanted to be an artist and never appreciated by anyone in my family. I turned out to be an engineer and then a bureaucrat. No one ever tried to learn about my passion or to discover my talent for art.
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Three years ago, i found myself extremely attracted towards painting and now i was the Boss of myself. I decided to carry out research in painting. For 3 years i spent time in learning painting by my self. Now i am an acclaimed artist with a patent in painting technique.
I believe now that anyone can learn painting by him/herself, if passion is there. I was ridiculed by my family, friends for my crazy endeavor and its pretty normal in Pakistan. But i never gave up, i patiently listened to critics and build on their funny jokes about my childish work. And after 2 years my research started giving me results and now i have been ranked top 25 in a competition where 2000 art works contested.
Now i am committed to teach my painting technique to those people who are divorced from art. And i dont discourage any art related talk or work. Further, i tell my 3 years research story in one hour and my students learn the whole technique just in one hour and produce quality results. This is a great thesis, you dont need to worry about learning art process. You can learn it by yourself if you are committed to learn.Jul 16 2013: Because 'things' matter more than people, to be brutally honest.
What can be bought and sold has overwhelming precedence over what can be felt and perceived. What a calamitous mistake that is already proving to be, because commodities needed artistic input to bring them into fruition in the first place. Not only that, the wherewithal to market them also needed creative input.
A patriarchal, left-brained society is what we have now. The left brain can only deal with what is already known, or what can be evidenced. It foolishly thinks that the next century will be exactly the same as the last. Western education curricula and political manifestos are proof of that.
If we are to look to a better future, the very last person I would ask to do that would be an economist. The second to last would be a politician.
The more this society does damage to itself and to the environment, the more beholden it will become for creative visionaries and philosophers to think of ways to get us out. They are the people I would listen to first of all.Aug 13 2013: I think it's a short-sighted definition of creativity: that which we call 'engineering' is surely as creative as that which we call 'artistic'; Leonardo De Vinci might have been amused by the distinction we make.
That said, I suspect that we need to provide more and better access to tools and ideas and people who can talk about and explore them safely and flexibily. Maybe we need to take a hard look at the idea that art and creativity are internal things that happen where tools, ideas and resources interact with us, and us with them. Sometimes we manage to share our viewpoints, and sometimes they're similar. And sometimes they're not.
And sometimes rewards come in ways that one needs or wants.Jul 14 2013: In art it is believed that anything goes. I dont know if you are familiar with the Dada or Avant garde movement and other things that make it seem as if anything could pass as art.
That sort of approach to art makes it very difficult for the creative arts to be taken seriously because it is thought that well-explained mediocrity can be called art, and anybody and everybody can be an artist.
In the medical and engineering fields there is no room for that arrogance of definning things based on personal opinion.
In the end, living here on earth is all about impacting humanity, and not about an individual pleasing himself or herself. Even successful artists are ones that connect with the audience; and certain fields are more relevant than others because they are all about humanity in an holistic way.Jul 13 2013: This is a really important question. Like you I enjoyed Ken Robinson's talk and am disappointed that most of the world has chosen the pragmatic route, the standard safe route meaning getting a good safe job not one you actually enjoy. In many parts of the world like Asia or the middle east or Africa parents have made sure their children persue such successful jobs so that for example they say to their children: "you can study medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, engineering, accounting, business" and some other limited possibilities but nothing else. One very important reason is for the child's own security as well as the parents when they get old. Without a pension scheme old people must be looked after by the children. This means those ideas or passions that the children themselves have are ignored or trodden down whether this is an artistic pursuit or something else without an obvious monetary benefit. One example was my chinese flatmate who loved marine biology but was not allowed to study it by his parents who thought it wirthless in terms of earning potential. So, gradually the arets have been slowly eradicated by underfunding and a lack of appreciation excvept in cases where they were obviously successful such as in movies and the theatre, mostly musicals, or occasionally in jobs which require some sort of artistic aptitude, e.g. architecture. The worst aspect of this alteration in emphasis has been that artists are only considered as being successful if their art sells for a lot of monet. This means the attached monetary value is what really matters. This undermines the meaning and value of art and so humanity is made a little more impoverished.
Jul 13 2013: Its most probably the want of a secure life and easy old life what they are worried about.
And I'm glad to read your points on the subject. Its the lack of appreciation alright. I guess the hard to understand art is actually repelling.
Do you think that art should become simpler?
Is it only this current older generation that will do this kinda behavior on their children, or do you think future parents will do it too?
Will the choice of life of an individual human ever come fully into the hands of oneself?Aug 6 2013: Creative people are only taken seriously once they are successful... famous or rich or both. At school, creativity is only given credit if it adds to academic skill. Teachers are all academically minded, taught to control a class rather than inspire creativity. Ken Robinson tells it how it is and should be listened to.
Aug 13 2013: Ken Robinson is a charismatic speaker and he makes many valid points but he offers very little advice that is practical in his talk.
It is the prevalent assessment systems that ruin education. They traditionally are unable to assess the arts and so the arts are sidelined because they are too inconvenient for the bureaucrats to get a handle on in their own speak.
When it comes to the attitude that fame or riches denote success, then nobody is successful until they are rich or famous. What you are really talking about is the commercial side of 'creativity', in which case, it's not about creativity at all; it's about marketing of the (artistic) product.
Schools and teachers are forced to work as people managers rather than teachers (in the true sense of the word) simply because of the way education systems operate.
A lot of what Obi Wan KenRobinson touches on can be fostered by parents and students themselves. Because current education systems need to be able to measure "added value" creativity will never be seen as a substantial or robust part of mainstream education.
wayne uejio
Aug 5 2013: Creativity is not art. Some art is creative and some art is not very good. You can creativity in almost everything, even engineering, science, math, etc. I agree schools today do not support creativity in anything - just conformity.
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On the other side of the coin, put yourself in the parents - all they want is to have their children safe and secure. That means making money. I had several friends that supported their children while they tried their dreams - golf pro, an artist, opera company director, and a tv writer. The parents were scientists and engineers. So some parents try even though they are worried sick - 8>))
Roy Bourque
Aug 2 2013: I can site two reasons. The first is that art is a right brain function and we now live in a predominantly left-brained culture.
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The second is that art is subjective; it is in the eyes of the beholder. What some people call art these days has value only to the one who sees value in it. There is the typical joke where two children are in an art museum and one says to the other, "let's get out of here before they blame it on us".
The following is a link to the right-left brain phenomenon;
http://www.ted.com/talks/iain_mcgilchrist_the_divided_brain.htmlAug 1 2013: I once was a young man who aspired to be a writer. In the conceited manner of great American writers like Hemingway, I insisted, as well I should have, that I had excellent tone and vision for my pieces. This notion was burned into my mind when, low and behold, literary professors all the way down to colleagues in other fields of study found my writing provocative and thoroughly entertaining.
I decided that I damn well may be onto something, so I considered what might be the path to becoming a "professional writer".
Then I had a shocking realization. That position doesn't really exist within the corporate structure. Sure, you have your Stephen King's etc, but that isn't something you can send in an application for. It happens after years of hard work and being quite talented- then, finally the most difficult portion of this path is sought... You have to get your big break. In this case it is find a publisher who wants to print this art to make a profit for everyone involved.
This is easier said than done, and while I realize it happens, I also realize that every 17 year old with a guitar thinks he is going to be the next Bruno Mars. And those dreams are great- But I have seen too many people lay in wait as "starving artists" only to turn 30 and still be living in their mothers basements.
Art is a hobby unless one can make it into a career- and until then, it is wise to get a job to support your creativity (and,. you know, feed yourself). (P.S. I still write all the time and have had several pieces published outside of my 9-5 gig.)
Mandy Fisher
Jul 31 2013: It seems to me we are regressing back to the dark ages. Oh yeah, we have the fancy gadgets and the pretty toys, but we lost something too.
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Take a look back. The Renaissance. The Age of Enlightenment. The Transcendentalist Movement.
And now?
Poetry is 95% free verse, with traditional form and others disregarded- a complete and depressing shame.
Art is considered a hobby, particularly for the rich, and few consider it a life calling.
Pottery and painting classes are paired with getting drunk with the hope of getting laid.
Attending a university for a creative field is quickly becoming a negative stigma.
Why? Andrew Wiggin is correcto. "MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!"
You'd think the age of kings (now big business), greedy gold fingers, and mindless spending would be behind us by now... but it appears to only be getting worse.
The horrible thing about it is... without money, there isn't a comfortable way to live. Sure, you can run off in the forest and live off the land... but first you need to buy the land. You need the materials for a house, the tools to build it, and so forth.
And yet, deep down, we all know it's bullshit. We all know where true happiness lies right? We know it is the creative exploration, the delight of other beings, the curious nature of discovery and creation. The togetherness of us. So why do we continue to live for the accumulation of fake worth? Why do we fool ourselves into thinking their success will be the success of our souls?
Wake up, wake up, wake up!
It's just a dream.
Aug 13 2013: the world has never been an easy place to live. thankfully.
that is not to say that we should not aim for something higher. neither does it mean we should resign ourselves to a life of drudgery and fakery in order to make ends meet.
you can live both the creative dream and the reality. making money out of following a creative or pleasurable pursuit is not the measure of success at all. in my experience, the two are often mutually exclusive.
it's unlikely that anyone could run off to the forest and live free of stress - it would quickly regress to a situation of simple survival which is not as attractive as the concept may appear.
to answer you final question - we all need shelter, food and water. once we have those in abundance, only then will artistic renaissance follow..
Chana Meddin
Jul 22 2013: Dear Simon, how deeply I appreciate your Question! I am an American but do most of my online creative self-expression in India, at Speaking Tree, the Spiritual Site at The Times of India. And you bring up a cultural question that has baffled me about my fellow seekers and writers for quite some time. So, please expect no answer here, actually, just a sharing of my experience with art flowing out of IT engineers who take the time to write for Speaking Tree. And I mean this to include everyone from mothers to PhD researchers, cardiologists, those expert in their fields, young students still questioning what they want to do with their lives, and everyone with whom I have had the privilege to interact. Please allow me to simply share my experiences. Perhaps you can provide an answer. Sometime a seeker will write a blog post that inspires readers to begin either writing their own poetry right there on the spot or opening up their favorite poet and sharing, translating into English for me their favorite poems, from Tagore to Rumi, from Sant Darshan Singh to Iqbal...and then more jump in with their poetic musings and in no time a spontaneousSpiritual Mushaira (is that right?) erupts, delights, inspires,one friend just began finger painting later in life and her paintings are Beyond Extraordinary! She says it's as if someone picks up her finger and just begins painting with it. And here's my question: when I look up their profiles, most of them ACTUALLY ARE DOCTORS AND/OR ENGINEERS! It always baffles me, such talent and enthusiasm...I expect perhaps Art Professor, Poetry Instructor, but NO! Just as you said, pretty much medical or IT professions. At the crossroads of so many extraordinary civilizations, India is a mecca of artistic wealth. Your question only leaves me with more but the conversation is certainly worth pursuing! Thank you.Jul 20 2013: Art isn't taken seriously by the majority of people because:
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1. Everyone can participate, and each person has to some extent,
2. Practical applications of Art are understood as being highly limited in that the function of Art in society is generally regarded as often extraneous adornment,
3. The act of "Art-making" (whether visual, written, or musical) is (often regarded as) "too enjoyable" (to be of practical worth in a material world),
4. General literacy amongst the population is extremely low (visual illiteracy is rampant in a visually rich world - for example) and as a result, little is understood about how to evaluate quality (beyond the subjectivity of basc "like" and "dislike")
5. The contributions of Art to society are not regarded in ways similar to either science or religion (our two other "pillars of human wisdom"); where both fields are accepted as authorities the general public relies upon to form their beliefs (people do not turn to the Art world to determine what is or isn't Art, or how to evaluate and understand Art beyond the subjective).
Lejan .
Jul 19 2013: We have allowed an economic system to control our lives instead our lives controlling our economic system. By this the STEM fields ( science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) are only more likely to guarantee a decent income, whereas all other fields are more likely not to. It's that simple ...
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Karen Larson
Jul 19 2013: I agree with the notion that we are losing appreciation for the arts, but there's an implied limitation of creativity in your post with which I disagree. It seems that people naturally link "creativity" to art, specifically fine arts, theater, etc., anything labeled as an art. However, I believe that engineers, doctors, etc., must be creative in order to be successful. Creativity isn't just expression; it's also problem-solving, specifically in being able to solve problems in new, efficient, and beneficial ways.
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An unfortunate by-product of linking creativity *only* to art gets people thinking that they aren't creative. I think this idea that "I'm not creative because I don't paint/act/sing/etc" creates a mental disconnect to art, wherein because people don't think they are creative, they don't think they can understand art or they feel separated from it and therefore don't seek out how to relate to it.
So, I think in order to change society, two things need to happen:
1) We need to change our perspective on what defines creativity. I think it would help to teach people how to recognize their own creative capabilities, whether they be with a paintbrush or a calculator.
2) We need to support art appreciation in schools in order to promote creative thinking patterns and encourage original thought.
Both of those changes can be implemented through education. And if anyone has ideas on how to have a educational revolution, please let me know because I definitely want to fix our educational system.
On a side note, the belief that a college degree in a "non-artistic" major (like math or science) leads to a promising career is now null. Because the economy is in shambles, jobs are hard to find, and no one wants to hire recent graduates. I think it's going to take some creative thinkers to fix this economy, though!
Jul 19 2013: I agree 100% Karen, that creativity should never only be connected to the arts! Any and all professions can be executed creatively, there are so many levels of creativity that people are naturally equipped with in order to do what they do best! Stimulating creativity on a wide scale, incorporating all forms, is essential.
I love this quote by Deepak Chopra:
"Instead of thinking outside the box, get rid of the box."Jul 19 2013: I believe that the current denigration of the "arts" is a symptom of our (sick) materialistic society. In our present preoccupation with surviving materialistically, our arts and "psyche's"/souls are suffering. It's a matter of society's current priorities.
Steve C
Jul 23 2013: Thank you - I was trying to formulate something along these lines. We are innundated by the arts of big music & movie variety. But this is primarily what we are sold. We have no creative input. We are convinced that what we could create is a low-quality & therefore unimportant. We are unpracticed & wpould probably be embarassed to be compared to the best-of-the-best we see on tv, who get multiple 'takes,' and photoshopped.
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And even in art, I see too much focus on "correctness" - "color inside the lines," "dance to the beat."
Son Huynh
Jul 16 2013: In response to your question, I do agree that it resulted from our flawed education system where academic ability is valued more than any other talents that children might have. It is just simply because if you have good academic results, you can get a good degree and a good job and a promisingly stable life afterwards. And this is what people have been told generations after generations and that is why parents now insist on kids to choose a good career for themselves because it guarantees a better future.
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However, the problem here is that in Asia the vast majority of the population are not intellectual enough to truly understand the value of art. One cannot fall in love with ballet if he has never ever witnessed it. Some are even afraid to be artist because there is a myth that an artist never earns a penny but after he dies, all of his artwork becomes precious. Personally I think the way to change this is to familiarise the public with true art, arts that people and relate themselves to. We should organise free public concerts and shows where many people of the lower status can attend. Just like marketing, we have to give them free trial before we ask them to buy the products. Additionally, give them stories and examples of great artists that emerge from a normal social class family. Give them faith and they will follow.
Daniel Early
Jul 16 2013: In America it seems to be the norm that if there are budget cuts to be made in a school system it is the arts that are quickest to go, and certain arts more than others, for example dancing will be quicker to go than music, as Ken Robinson pointed out. On a collegiate level, the humanities are continually devalued and I think this is largely do to the difficulty of quantifying the benefits of reciting a sonnet or performing an aria. It is readily apparent to me what the benefits of Greek mythology are, but how do you explain the way these myths formed the basis for our modern religions or provided some of the archetypes, which have become universal and subconscious?
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What can you do to change it? Support the arts through participation and appreciation. Read to your children and involve them in the arts at an early age in other ways.
How can you keep their love for art burning? Help them to realize that the arts are a way to empower themselves and express themselves. Children, teenagers, and young adults are always on a constant search to find and define themselves. Make it apparent to them that there are more profound ways to do so other than declaring their support of a particular baseball or cricket team.
Is it something only your generation will have to face? I think society moves in cycles. So it will be something every generation will face as they have faced in one form or another. Think back to the traditional expectations of women in most countries, when it was assumed they would learn domestic skills, and no career, creative or otherwise, was even a possibility.
Will we be supportive of our children? That one comes down to compromise. Where it is possible, I would reject the assumption that they can only follow this career path or that career path. Maybe not always, but I'm sure there are lots of 'twin track' ways to pursue both, majoring in a creative field and minoring in a more traditional and job-oriented, or vice versa.Jul 16 2013: Being a mother of a daughter who's artistic ability out weighs her academically due to a learning disablity. I encourage her to pursue what she's good in, and loves. The joy in doing what you love is priceless...
Jul 16 2013: I always wish for more people like you.
I wish everyone had this mentality.
Just so you know,
I was just talking to this lovely girl that wants to be a singer. As I'm a music producer, I offered her to work with me on my next album but she said that she can't do it because her parents don't want her to be a singer as its not "as profitable". They just want her to study.
Anyway, I agreed with whatever but I also told her to follow her dreams because its worth it. Hope she realizes it before its too late.
Jul 16 2013: Can you not accommodate her by letting her work on the album even while continuing her studies? Must it be all or nothing? Did you feel that you could work only with someone who would give up her studies for the project?
I have taught so many academically highly capable young people who are also excellent musicians or in drama. I am delighted that the drama director at my son's high school recognizes that young people may have both academic and artistic interests and therefore offers upfront that he can find parts for students who also carry very heavy academic schedules.
Julia Cameron in the Artist's Way makes the case that it is a myth that artists do better work if they shun every other expenditure of energy in their lives. She makes the case for keeping various projects going, artistic and not.
Jul 17 2013: Truly talented people are seldom mono-skilled. It's because talent is all about gift of expression so a single field of creativity is just not enough. Since it is customary to choose one field to excel professionally (no reason though why it should be that way), we don't get to know about other skills or creative expressions.
Take any successful or renowned personality, chances are you will find s/he is deft at doing certain other things - so good that s/he could be famous doing that.
So yes, you are absolutely right.Jul 17 2013: Well, I can see the discussion has moved to different spectrums now.
Anyway, yes, most people balance between art and something else that they are passionate about. And anyone can do this. Its just there are so many that don't realize their capacity nor do they have the chance to try it due to negligence or discouragement.
Yes, Julia Cameron is a good example, I agree.Jul 17 2013: I think we have gotten to this place in the discussion partly to try to clarify whether a good strategy is to encourage young people to pursue their interests, including arts and those involving more academic study, rather than seeing this as an either/or proposition.Jul 16 2013: It benefited humanity but just not like the other topics.
Jul 16 2013: Ooh, that's a good quote.Jul 14 2013: It's the elitification of art. At one time, "the arts" were viewed as crafts, which could be learned and taught. People would study them. A few might get rich, most simply made a living. However, this ended when "the arts" became mythologized and the exclusive social property of a self-apointted, out-of-touch elitist coiterie. Once "the arts" were turned from a craft, like any other, into some kind of mumbo-jumbo "self expression" that required "talent" and "gift" and could only be done by the Chosen Few, then "the arts" lost their value among the non-chosen many.
As I have learned from having spent many years around full-time artists:
If anybody likes it, it's too commercial, so it can't really be art.
If anybody understands it, it's merely illustration, so it can't really be art.
To make matters worse, the most elitist of the elitists even go so far as to make absurd, ivory-tower claims to the effect that "the arts" has exclusive ownership of creativity, and only those who pursue or study "the arts" understand "how to create". Creativity is innate to human beings, and the type of "creativity" that is taught by the modern establishment of the "the arts" is not the only type of worthwhile creativity, but those truths won't stop the elitists from spewing their propaganda.
Jul 14 2013: Art inspires and intrigues, not the other way around.
Every artwork tells a story.Jul 15 2013: You raise an excellent point, Bryan, that the arts do not own creativity. Many fields involve creative work and many creative people are drawn to those fields.Aug 13 2013: Like a lot of the other comments state, we live in a time where money really drives the world, and unless you are very well connected in the 'artworld- whatever field that maybe in, it is extremely hard to survive. However it is true that the importance of us using our creative side of our brain is a lifesaver and should not be taken lightly, even more so in a heavily money driven world where stress levels are skyrocketing. But using our creative side of our brain does not necessarily mean becoming an 'artist', but understanding how to apply creativity to any subject/profession. Think of all the scientific breakthroughs and the people who envisioned these; this is generally done by thinking out of the box, applying creative thought to what we know and are taught. So the trick is to be proud of whatever you do and apply creativity to this, it should be more encouraged from a young age and parents/teachers should understand just how important utilising creativity is, whether applying creative thought to other subjects or allowing self expression for confidence biulding.Aug 13 2013: "Find what you love, and let it kill you"
-Charles Bukowski
If we want children to be gutsy and follow creative dreams, we must MODEL for them by Living it........Preach it by Living It. There is NO other way.Aug 13 2013: Art that makes money is generally not really art but a commodity. Something that only has a monetary value is not art, it is a product.
Admittedly, the lines are blurred but, generally, choosing art as a living is not going to make you financially rich.
Personally, I hope to leave an artistic legacy when I'm dead and gone. Regardless of whether it reaches a huge audience or not, I have found myself far more enthusiastic about song-writing than building a career. It's a way of expressing myself that turns me on. Besides, you can't take material wealth with you anyway.
I think that many people do not even recognise their own creative urges. They often have not developed it because they were told that 'getting a good job' is more important. Depending on what you want out of life, this sort of advice can be excellent or terrible.
Also, creativity can be found everywhere and being an "artist" does not necessarily make you more creative than any other kind of work.
If everyone were creative in the way you have described it, society as we know it would collapse almost overnight.
By writing and performing my songs, I am changing my society. It does not have to be on a global scale for it to be useful. It provides me with fulfillment and that's all that matters. Others will like, love, hate or be indifferent about it. And that is just fine. :)Aug 13 2013: People decide what to learn based on necessity to survive in this world. To survive in this harsh world where money comes first to everything, people tend to put more priority the skills make money. Studying math increase the possibility of getting a high paid job than spending time on arts. Eventually, Art might be something good, but art itself is not necessary to survive.Aug 11 2013: Creative art for the most part, is perceived to cater to entertainment without necessarily improving the quality of life of the individual or society at large. Fields like medicine, sciences, engineering, finance, and law directly impact the society and standard of living ergo they are taken more seriously. It is for this reason; we'd respect a neurosurgeon more than we would a comedian regardless of how hilarious he is.
This takes nothing from the creative arts. I have a lot of respect for artists. I am a budding writer myself. As to why the creative arts are not taken as seriously as other fields, it boils down to utility.Aug 9 2013: Well, if I am ever lucky enough to have kids I will encourage them to find things they are passionate about because such exploration is how you eventually find the one or two things you are meant to do.
At the same time I think every child also has be taught common sense. That is, just wanting to be 'creative' is not enough in many instances to support a decent life. Strictly speaking, to be creative is to do something that you have never done before, but that is generally very different than being seen as 'creative enough' by other people that you can get a job.
You pointed out that 'maybe this is due to financial pressures'--there is no 'maybe' about it, parents can see this reality much better than young people. When I was young you could afford to mess around and get a History or Anthropology degree just because you were interested in it, but now that's not true and parents know it.
So, I think all children should be encouraged to be creative and follow their passions, but unless they are a prodigy in music or art, etc., they need to also get training that will allow them to create a stable future.
I do, however, think the emphasis on following a strict set of steps to be a 'success' has to change. The fact is that we have allowed the world to change into a place where money and things are more important than being happy. That was the beauty of growing up in the 60s; no one had much but lots of people were reasonably happy--and isn't that the point of life?
When I was young, lots of working adults had time to pursue things they were interested in. More professionals in that era valued spending time with their families more than killing themselves at work just to 'get ahead'. Only one income was necessary to successfully raise a family.
Now, not even two incomes is enough in many instances to have a reasonable family life, in part because costs continue to skyrocket.
We have to change our values so that happiness is more important than 'consuming'.Aug 5 2013: IN MY VIEW: Your question sounds like a desperate cry of a person who is working in a theory but its still not totally proven. I guess when ur theory is proven 4 sure u will not have to worry about this question.Aug 2 2013: I'm sorry to disagree with you my friend , but mountains of evidence says, your completely wrong. Art in many forms has molded, and directed civilization for thousands of years, when physics, and chemistry, and engineering was in it's infancy. Art affects every aspect of your life, every waking moment, in politics, in advertising, in religious indoctrination, in our perception of the world. As I said before, just because you don't see it happening, doesn't mean it's influence isn't there. As you grow older, and as you learn about human psychology, you will see that art is very powerful indeed. Hopefully we can get some input from some professional artists, and psychologists to explain it's importance, it's power, and it's effects on all of us, so you may change your view. Your view in my opinion is very narrow, and simplistic i think.
You really should look into the psychology of art, and it's history. You'll find very quickly how wrong your view is. Thanks for the exchange good luck deciding.Aug 2 2013: Pursuing art in the academic arena is one of the most challenging and unrewarding pursuits I have personally experienced. I have spent as much as 20 hours a week on a drawing for a class, any of the decent supplies cost a lot, and the process of getting better can be slow and frustrating. I tried to get my department head to allow me to take more technical courses to help me to have a career post graduation but I was told that I couldn't. The degree that I have will only be useful if I make it useful with outside work. The reality is that an art degree is almost assuredly an investment that will increase artistic skill but will not increase the likelihood of being hired. I absolutely loathe that that is the case. I think viable career choices post graduation would make an art degree more encouraged and accepted in society. I wish that colleges would offer a more interdisciplinary approach that taught some technical skills that could be used artistically. To me the innovation and success of the renaissance and antiquity relates to a more integrated approach to learning. Da Vince is a perfect example of an individual who wasn't forced to pick technology or the arts.
The book "Proust was a Neursocientist" by Jonah Lehrer was an interesting dive into the value of artistic expression as a precursor to scientific discovery.Empirical discovery is always preceded by an initial intuitive understanding. Science likes to ignore the intuition part sometimes.Aug 1 2013: I did notice that in India creativity is discouraged from a very young age. In the West children go through the phase of questioning everything, yet in India children are obedient and don't get "out of line" with all the "crazy" questions. When you ask in India people about why they do things in a particular way, they don't know how to answer it for a moment, because it's not usual in India to question things.
I think it would be very hard for an Indian community to change this, because parents control their children almost fully. Also if someone stands out, he/she is considered an outcast. The Westernization is coming though, and together with the bad, it's bringing the good too, such as more creative and independent thinking.
Aug 1 2013: Thank you for sharing an international perspective.
When a few months ago we had a very eye-opening thread about the education of youth across the world, one striking theme that came out was the difference among countries in how much creativity was actually encouraged or indulged. Your observation is consistent with what came forward there about numerous countries in Asia.Jul 31 2013: I would normally try and articulate a proper, and decent response to this particular question, but it will suffice to say this: MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY. The creative fields do not generally bring in enough of it to appear attractive to young people, even those who have the skill to be successful in the respective fields.Jul 31 2013: It's all about balance. If promoting or imposing something too much, it will end up too much competition in that area.Jul 31 2013: ...India is known for its art and culture all across the world even today...and would be till this world exist...and this is not for India only...
I have study Maslow in my college studies and from there it was clear that hunger and hungry can't think about anything than the food...after a slavery of many centuries one came to open sunlight, it takes time...art and music have been seen and taken as a matter of entertainment, not related to mind and livelihood...and the people who have taken this as profession were not taken as a part of society and respect, expect few exceptions...
...the education system (though exist today) was developed to create slaves not the masters...and is one another reason ...
...but if the people don't have respected the art and music, schools would not have considered them as important part of their curriculum...
...people are earning from it now and getting respect also...and this is not in India only, but in all civilizations and nations as it is...
With regards
Manish Kumar Aggarwal
The Mindfood ChefJul 30 2013: Ken Robinson lays out the real reason quite well in his TED Talks. Unfortunately, the world is addicted to industrialization. As such, not much else really matters to popular culture.Jul 29 2013: This is why we have a few real artists. Although one who has talent in art wants to be an artists, there are too many obstacles in front of him/her. As you mentioned, he has to overcome parent's expectatio , hope and he himeself really have firm confidence of his ability. People taking risks and chanllenging continuously will be an great artist at the end.
Jul 29 2013: True.
We could have had so much more talented artists in the world if only art was treated as equally as any other 'high standard work' and if everyone was encouraged to be what they are good in.
Just for the record, I'm not asking everyone to be an artist, I just want equality in thought.
Thanks for contributing Sophia.Jul 29 2013: Art is taking seriously being from Bay Area that are mine business that need some kind of artistic express to caught the eye of a consumer in order walk into there store. However I do believe that traditional art is not celerbrated like it should be.Jul 28 2013: I think the interest and validity given to discoveries both external and internal of ourselves is of undeterminably equal measure. I agree with Simon that there is less value given to intrinsically created expression that there is to extrinsically contextualised discoveries, that is to say, expression of the self is regarded and less discoverable and by extension a consistent framework we can knowingly connect on. There is always, perhaps a defining characteristic of art, currently no definitive reference we can use, expression is taking the blurring elements of our conscious and un-concious abstract constructs and wishing to pass some degree, through some medium, to another to interpret and to be able to gain reference of that expression through their own internal dialogue with those same aspects.
Until we understand more of the neurological-psychological-conciousness interplays, plus greater aspects of the sociological influences on these, then perhaps they will always be regarded in a number of sense as less valuable as they are less definable and repeatable.
I am fascinated in the cause and effect relationship between experience and expression, however the mechanics which manifest the expression may remain a mystery for a while just yet.
With Genuine Interest,
PaulJul 26 2013: I consider art valuable, but if you read my comment you would notice that I claimed that art isn't as effective as physics or the field of science and technological advancement in terms of views of industrialism and revolutionism, since art didn't lead to as many discoveries in benefiting humanity others don't consider it as valuable as the others. You must understand one thing if a physicist though art was more revolutionary ge wouldn't be a physicist.
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http://simonsingh.net/books/recommended-books/recommended-science-books/it-must-be-beautiful/Jul 25 2013: Its all just your exposure to only India. I've been exposed to many musicians so I can see ambition and competitiveness in it. There are billions of people on the earth. I asked myself a question as a musician enthusiast, if the shit hit the fan, who is more valuable, the person of art or the guy who did something a little more humanly beneficial. I think a doctor or an engineer would be more accepted and trusted by a group. Of course that will most likely not happen in this lifetime. I also can see art in being an engineer.
I also think lots of parents are going to think they know whats best for their kids. A good portion of the time they are right but they can also tend to put what was or is better for them and project it onto their kids when their kids are built for another path. When it comes to work ethic required to be a doctor or engineer, I believe that the equal work ethic isn't as present in art. I see why schools and society wouldn't want to prioritize music because its meant for leisure not direct living. I think art is just a hobby to produce happiness. Like the maslow's pyramid says, physiological before happiness especially in a place that has poverty and overpopulation. I personally think there are enough musicians. Competition is hard in everything. Its all overpopulation.Jul 24 2013: I recently heard that in Portugal, they have cut arts funding to a mere 0.37%. It's a real struggle to live as an artist there, there just is no profit to be made from creativity anymore. Their government views art as an expense rather than an investment: and that's the problem. Without culture we are slaves to the state: I view culture almost as part of a contract between the people an the state: the ordinary person works and pays taxes etc, but if there are no films, TV programmes, art, poems, books, or anything that is born of somebody's creative input, then what do they have to live for? Culture and the arts help us develop interests, personalities even. Who are we without that? Yes, the arts are not regarded seriously now, but Portugal may be one to watch as an example of how much we really need the arts. If only to keep up public spirits.
Jul 27 2013: There have also been drastic funding cuts in the arts here in The Netherlands. Thousands of musicians are losing their jobs due to orchestras having to disban, cultural subsidies diminishing and music schools and conservatories merging. Thousands of musicians are entering the job market with incredible expertise, proficiency and talent, and there are literally a hanfdul of jobs available. The ending of this sad story, is that the majority will end up receiving unemployment, which will probably end up costing the government mor money, than if they had just let the subsidies alone in the first place!Jul 22 2013: Because it is not a money tree statistically or ..."needed". By that term "needed" no one needs to see an expression through a picture and not many want to stare and figure out what it means or how it relates to themselves. That is why I believe art is not taken too seriously.
Jul 27 2013: I agree, Vincent. As a musician, I am confronted almost daily with this misconception. Art, and in my case music, is for everyone, so why should I pay for it? If the majority of people continue to think this way, artists will no longer be able to do what they do best. A world without the arts is a poor one, indeed.Jul 21 2013: If you want a field to be treated with just as much seriousness as an academic curriculum, then you have to present something more substantial then berating and screaming:
If the creative field has just as many academic rules as any other subject then teach them, but don't pose to us that you're actually teaching something if it is nothing more then ego gratification.Jul 21 2013: The current societal view towards art is perfectly justified.
For every full time writer or artist that makes a living in their craft, you've got three others making ends meet by waiting tables. It only gets worse if you factor in aspiring actors.
Parents are right not to encourage their kids to peruse a purely artistic path. There is a reason "starving artist" is a tired trope--its based in reality.
Granted, there is no issue with people practicing in the arts in their spare time, and once they've made a name for themselves, even quit their day jobs over it. Trying to earn a living in the arts to begin with on the other hand, is just a poorly calculated risk.
I'm not saying the arts should be suppressed, but the current social stigmas and norms do make people think twice before perusing it as a career path. This is a good thing--it keeps people from ending up broke and out of work.
Jul 25 2013: Yes, its true that its a tough road for any artist.
But I'm not asking people to take up a career as an artist even if they are good at it. I purely want more encouragement and motivation. I want it to be treated as equal as everything else. I want it to be treated as a norm. I want everyone to get a chance/try at art, just like how everyone gets a chance/training in scientific fields. Many are not in the right place in life just because they did not get a chance at life. Just want that to change and I hope to do so in the future.Jul 21 2013: I would argue that art IS taken seriously. Why? Because creativity is a constant in the human psyche. The question is "Where are you looking for art?" Many people look for it in a context of custom and tradition (e.g., painting). However it is a contradiction to do so because creativity by definition operates outside of such rules and norms. With changing technology comes changing technique. Why should we expect painters to thrive (or to be supported) when so many more effective communicative media exist?
A related thought; Any artist worth his salt will always look at his last work as obsolete.Jul 19 2013: Art doesn't grow crops... (I'm actually thinking about the Maslov pyramid)
But self-expression is important, after you have a full stomach.
Other than that: Does art need to be taken seriously? I know I beg the question, but I don't know the answer myself...
I like quite some works of art, and admire quite some artists. And I do think art can make you think or wonder or awe... As it can be beautiful and fascinating.
People will stay creative and make art. And it might be interesting to get more of it in the curriculum, as learning skills enhances our ways to express ourselves.


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Q:I've always heard to never ever wipe your face because it will lead to wrinkles. That goes for washing with a cloth, drying with a cloth.. This product actually needs wiping to come off. Is there any other way to get it off? I feel like I'm hurting my skin because I need to wipe good to get the makeup off. Otherwise the makeup will still be on my face if I "gently" wipe. Help! (I haven't used any other products but I have ERW, TTW, GL, and FF so if I were to use any combo of them would they help to remove the left over makeup if I "gently" wipe off the UB?Asked on 5/22/2015 by Jayde
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A:I would recommend gently wiping the Ultrabland off the face and then using Fresh Farmacy to clean off anything remaining on the skin. You will feel ultra clean without disturbing the skins natural moisture barrier.Answered on 5/26/2015 by Alexander from Lush Direct
A:I realize it may be harsh on your face to use a washcloth.. but I do it all the time.. I have had facials before..by a professional.. and they use those Soft round sponges to wipe your face.. if are gentle around your eyes.. I don't see any reason to use maybe a soft wash cloth.. I love the ultra bland because it does remove all the dirt and makeup from your face.. I use pretty good hot water to wash my face to make sure to wash everything off.. then use the ERW , spritz then use a cotton swab to wipe any dirt there after.. hope this helps..I also use a couple different Scrubs in the shower every once in a while.. other than these products, I don't use any others..Answered on 5/23/2015 by Tawni from San Luis Obispo, Ca.
Q:Can this be used with oily skin? I've tried Dark Angels, Angels on Bareskin, Herbalism, and Let the Good Times Roll. LtGTR made me break out, and all of the others were decent, but I am hoping I can find my goldilocks face wash. I haven't tried Farm Fresh or Coalface because I am worried either of those would be too drying.Asked on 5/4/2015 by Mandie
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A:I have extremely oily skin and I LOVE Ultrabland! I've tried Herbalism too and it was okay, but Ultrabland clears my skin and controls the oils like none other. And it's very moisturizing! I recommend giving it a try!Answered on 5/25/2015 by Jen from Missoula, MT
A:Ultrabland can be used on all skin types, however, some people with oilier skin might find it a little bit heavy. It really just depends on personal preference, and it is definitely worth trying out!Answered on 5/14/2015 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:Ultrabland certainly does not cause dry skin. My skin feels very
moisturized after using it. I really like it for removing makeup.
Sometimes I follow it up with an exfoliating cleanser, like Angels on Bare
Skin. The labeling states that if you use it exclusively for 30 days it is
supposed to make your skin balance out. I really love it! I'd recommend
trying it out!Answered on 5/5/2015 by Anonymous
Q:Do you apply this cleanser to wet or dry skin for the best results?Asked on 3/29/2015 by Marissa from Pittsburgh, PA
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A:You are welcome to use it either way, it really just comes down to what feels best on your skin!Answered on 4/3/2015 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:I massage a nice dollop on my skin and take a warm wet washcloth and hold it over my face to steam a little and then wipe the ultra bland off using more warm water and writing out the washcloth between.Answered on 3/29/2015 by Anonymous
A:I always use it on dry skin, wipe it off with a paper towel and then wash
with warm water and a towel. Leaves skin very moisturized.Answered on 3/29/2015 by Chrissie from New York
Q:My question is simple and has probably already been asked but that's okay. I recently bought a pt of Ultrabland from my local LUSH store along with an Angels on Bare Skin FAcial cleanser, on the lush packaging it says to use ultraband alone for a month, does this mean i cant apply my other cleanser, what can i use?, i was instructed to use AOBS in the morning and ultrabland before bed and im also wondering how long till results are seenand how long do the two products really last? thanks!Asked on 2/23/2015 by angie from san jose, ca
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A:You can definitely use both products! We just recommend using Ultrabland by itself for a month to show how well it works all alone. Ultrabland and Angels on Bare Skin will be great together too! You could see results as soon as a few days! Ultrabland will last 14 months from the made by date, and Angels on Bare Skin will last 3-4 months from its made by date!Answered on 2/27/2015 by Meg from LUSH Direct
A:It depends on your skin, and what you's like to change about it/improve
with your skin. Ultrabland is very moisturizing, since it has so much
honey in it. When you use ultrabland, you don't wash your face exactly.
You want to apply a small amount, then wipe away with a warm cloth. AOBS is
slightly scrubby, so that adds a different element to your daily routine.
Everyone's skin is different, but in my experience, washing twice a day can
actually strip moisture from your skin, and cause your pores to make more
oil to replace what was taken out. But ultrabland isn't a soap cleanser,
so it could benefit you if your skin tends to be dryer. It's hard to say
without knowing more about your skin. I'd try using both as suggested for
now. Results depend on many different things, but ultrbland always makes
my skin feel very dewy and healthy after I use it, so many you'll notice
that right away. As for how long it lasts, with Lush products, a little
bit goes a long way. I like to purchase the larger pot of ultrabland, and
it usually lasts me a few months. Sometimes it expires before I use it all
- but I do not use it every day. It depends on what your skin needs. I
hope this didn't confuse you more. And I'd always suggest giving your
local shop a call.Answered on 2/24/2015 by Anonymous
Q:I was really excited to try UltraBland Cleanser and Vanishing Cream, but I see they both contain parabens. These are known hormone disruptors that can contribute to a host of problems, including hormonal acne. So many of your products are shelf-stable without these ingredients- is there any push to eliminate them entirely from your otherwise amazing skin care line??Asked on 2/16/2015 by Sarah Scared-ah Parabens from Asheville, NC
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A:LUSH has a commitment to using safe synthetic ingredients that have a long standing history of being safe for the body and the environment. We can't use alternatives to parabens until we grasp a safe synthetic which has a long running history of safe use. The truth is we actually use less parabens in our products then are in most natural foods. All of the parabens we use are food grade and safe. We understand that our customers are making the switch to paraben free lifestyles and are looking at this issue very carefully. We recently produced MOVIS soap with is SLS and MPG free! I suggest you check it out!Answered on 3/21/2015 by Alexander from LUSH Direct
Q:If I want to use it at night even when I don't wear make up would I apply it the same? for example on dry skin then wipe off with a warm cloth afterAsked on 2/2/2015 by Alex from burbank
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A:Yep, exactly the same! Massage it into wet skin and wipe it off with a warm cloth or cotton round to remove the product from your skin.Answered on 2/13/2015 by Meg from LUSH Direct
A:Yes. I also do not wear make-up, so I just use it as a nighttime
cleanser, exactly as you described. The fact that it's oil-based seems
to work really well with my complexion.Answered on 2/3/2015 by Anonymous
Q:I bought a pot of Ultrabland for the first time the other day, and I noticed the texture is super gritty and not at all smooth and creamy like I was expecting. It also smells pretty bad, pungent and almost sour. Could I have bought a bad pot, or is this the standard for Ultrabland?Asked on 1/21/2015 by Anonymous
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A:Oh no! That doesn't sound right, it's not suppose to be gritty or have a pungent smell. I would recommend going back to the store and exchanging it for another one! All of our products are made by hand so there's always room for batch variations.Answered on 2/14/2015 by Pauline
A:I've used Ultabland for some time, and while it does have a strong smell, I
wouldn't call it sour. Texture can vary between pots, but I've never
noticed a gritty texture (to me, gritty means a sand-like texture).
Sometimes if there is a problem with a batch, the store will receive an
email to pull pots, so I'd call the store where you made your purchase to
be sure, or call the customer care line. Both would probably be able to
reassure you better than I can. Other than that, since many of Lush's
products are hand packaged as well as hand made, so there may some
differences between the batches, but that doesn't always mean a batch is
"bad". I hope this helps.Answered on 1/22/2015 by Anonymous
A:I don't recall UltraBland ever smelling pungent, or perhaps my sense of
smell is less sensitive. There is a subtle texture to it, so that is
normal. There should be a date as to when it was made on the pot. If you
bought it at a store, or there is one nearby, I would suggest taking it in
to ask their opinion. Otherwise, call customer service. Lush takes a lot
of pride in their products. I feel they would exchange it if necessary.Answered on 1/22/2015 by Anonymous
Q:I have Love Lettuce, Grease Lighting, Tea Tree Toner, Ultrabland and some seriously acne-prone skin. Assuming I use this as a cleanser before bed and for taking off makeup, what order to do I put it on my face?Asked on 12/15/2014 by Deezy from United States
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A:I would go Ultrabland, Love Lettuce, Tea Tree Toner, then Grease Lightning!Answered on 12/19/2014 by Serena from LUSH Direct
A:Use Ultrabland first! Then tone, and follow with grease lightening. I'd use
love lettuce just after cleansing (before toning)every few days or so...Answered on 12/16/2014 by Anonymous
Q:How well would this help with combating KP(Keratosis pilaris)? Has it been associated in treating KP?Asked on 12/5/2014 by Richard T
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A:Ultrabland, in combination with a product that will exfoliate gently, should likely work well on KP. While we don't specifically formulate the product to treat KP, we have had lots of customers say it works wonders for them!Answered on 2/13/2015 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:I've never had KP myself, but I have had problem skin my whole life (which, at times, resembled KP symptoms. Also, my skin's not a problem anymore!). Since KP is exacerbated by dry weather conditions and harsh skincare products, I would imagine that this cleanser would be a good option. It's super gentle and moisturizing and would probably help soften/loosen dead skin cells and hard keratin on the skin's surface. I would visit a Lush store if that's an option for you and get a sample of this, along with a gentle exfoliant like Let the Good Times Roll, which is really good for people with eczema and rosacea, or Angels on Bare Skin. See how Ultrabland works for you! I don't think this product has been clinically tested for treating KP, but its gentle, restorative properties will probably help those with KP - it definitely can't hurt.Answered on 1/20/2015 by Apathetic Star from Atlanta, GA
Q:Hi, I recently purchased Ultrabland Cleanser, Herbalism Cleanser, Eau Roma Water Toner, & Celestial Moisturizer. Can you please tell me what order I should be using these products?Asked on 12/3/2014 by Amar from United States
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A:Hi there! Thanks for your question!
I would recommend using one of the cleansers first, then the moisturizer, followed by the toner, to spray on after!Answered on 1/2/2015 by Anonymous
A:I have used all of those except the herbalism cleanser. I used the
ultrabland, then the toner, followed by the celestial moisturizer. You
could alternate cleansers for morning and night. Ultrabland would probably
be better at night. I would take it off by getting a washcloth with very
hot water, holding it over my face for a minute and then wiping very
lightly.Answered on 12/4/2014 by Anonymous
Q:How long am I supposed to leave this on my face? I've seen that some people who've found success leave it on for up to 5-10 minutes in the reviews but the instructions give no indication that you are supposed to leave it on for an extended period of time. Do you only do that if you have blemishes on your face? I have acne as well and when I left it on yesterday for 3 minutes my skin's texture improved notably. I just wanted to know if time really made a difference.Asked on 8/18/2014 by A from FL
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A:It really depends on personal preference, and what works best for your skin. Some people choose to leave it on for some time, while others prefer to wipe it away right away. Ultrabland doesn't contain any acne-fighting ingredients, so there are no benefits to leaving it on the skin in terms of clearing up blemishes.Answered on 9/25/2014 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:Personally, I only let it set a few minutes if I'm using it as my soap to wash my face and not remove my makeup. I really only do this once a week or so if my skin is feeling dry in a couple spots (which is rare as I tend to be more oily). I find it best to do this before bed, but even then I don't think I've ever let it sit more than 5 minutes. In my experience with LUSH, if its supposed to sit on your skin for any length of time, they generally tell you or its on the label. Hope this helped :)Answered on 9/16/2014 by Allie Cat from America's Hi5
Q:About how long does a small container of Ultrabland last if used twice per day? I know that some people use more, some use less, but how long would a small container last on average?Asked on 7/29/2014 by Nathan from Green Bay, WI
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A:On average, you can expect to have the product for at least a couple of months, as a little bit goes a long way!Answered on 9/25/2014 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:A month or 2.Answered on 7/29/2014 by Anonymous
I have been using ultrabland for a month and love it! My skin is so much better.
I went in and bought a larger ultrabland size and with the new one it is gritty. The first tub I bought which I still have some of, was completely smooth. This second one almost feels like it exfoliates. My skin is too sensitive to have any roughness or gritty feeling to it. Did the product change? I hope not, I love it and have been able to come off all cortisone creams for my face. But I can't use it if it is going to be gritty. Any info would be great thanks!Asked on 6/29/2014 by wackycheetah11 from Dallas, TX
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A:The grittiness that you are describing is very uncommon, but will happen occasionally when the beeswax in the product is melted down too quickly. It doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the product itself, it is just a slight variance in batches that is a result of the handmade nature of our products. It is similar to the way chocolate tends to get gritty when it is melted at too high of heat when baking.Answered on 9/25/2014 by Melissa S from LUSH Direct
A:Hey, I just bought the product yesterday and it did not have a gritty texture. Its supposed to be the same texture no matter what the size. I hope this helps.Answered on 8/18/2014 by A from FL
A:I would definitely go back to the lush store and show them the product. They'll probably replace it at no charge.Answered on 8/14/2014 by Joey from Chicago, IL
Q:The pot says use nothing but Ultrabland for a month to see balanced skin.
Does this mean no toner? moisturizer? make up? All other instructions say to toner and moisturize after just needed clarification.
Thank youAsked on 4/13/2014 by Cassi the Curious from United States
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A:This is just meaning no other cleansers. Stick to Ultrabland as your cleanser of choice for a month but definitely follow-up with any or all of the other products you've listed.Answered on 5/3/2014 by Kendra M from LUSH Direct
A:I most certainly used both toner and moisturizer with it and saw results
anyway so use how you'd like to. And def with makeup. I think it means no
added cleansersAnswered on 4/13/2014 by Anonymous
Q:Do I keep this item refrigerated?Asked on 3/6/2014 by lovleyd from LA, Ca
1 answer
A:No, the Ultrabland Cleanser doesn't need to be refrigerated.Answered on 3/7/2014 by Jeanine from LUSH Direct
Q:I was told that this, along with using a Toner, can really help blackheads, is that true?Asked on 3/4/2014 by T.J.
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A:I find that it does! Everyone's skin is different, so I would recommend trying it out and seeing the benefits for yourself!Answered on 3/28/2014 by Kayla from LUSH DIRECT
A:I was told the same thing and it definitely seems to be true. How it was explained to me and what I've experienced is that after using this for a couple of days you will start to see the blackheads kind of being purged out themselves, making it much easier to squeeze them out. It's because Ultrabland pulls out the toxins, oil, and dirt so the blackheads start to get pulled out themselves.Answered on 3/9/2014 by Charlie from Santa Clarita
Q:How long (on average, ish) will the two sizes last if I use it twice a day? I'm going away to school, and I just bought the smaller size, and have fallen in love, and with no Lush nearby I want to make sure I bring enough since it's right up the road from me here at home!Asked on 1/8/2014 by Lauren from Louisville, KY
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A:Like with so many of our products, a little goes a long way. If you're using a small amount twice a day, the large pot will usually last about 4-5 months.Answered on 3/19/2014 by Kendra M from LUSH Direct
A:That cleanser is awesome. All u need is a lil bit twice a day.
It only lasts up to three
Months and that's about how long it will last for you.
I'm sure if you are away at school there are computers, order your products online and it will come to your door! :) enjoy and good luck!
Sent from my iPhoneAnswered on 1/10/2014 by Anonymous
A:It really doesn't take very much product at each washing. Mine has lasted
almost a year, but I only use it once a day, so if u use it twice a day I
would say around 6 months, plus u can always order it online :).Answered on 1/9/2014 by Anonymous
Q:I have a separate makeup remover for my skin is very sensitive but would this be a good cleanser for the morning time just to give my face a quick cleanse before my moisturizer and makeup? do you have any suggestions for a gentle morning cleanser?Asked on 1/3/2014 by sceaster
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A:This would be a great option as it is very gentle and works well with sensitive skin.Answered on 2/28/2014 by Kendra M from LUSH Direct
A:I use this as my daily face cleanser. My skin is prone to flaky dryness in some areas and breakouts in others. This cleanser takes care of both. While it does remove my eye makeup with no trouble, it works just fine as cleanser. It is so gentle that I can open my eyes while I am rubbing it around on my face. It doesn't drip and it certainly doesn't sting.
If you are unsure, I would recommend going to a Lush location and asking for a trial sample. I am sure they'll be happy to give you some so you can try it at home.Answered on 1/28/2014 by MoMo from Hartford, CT
Q:i feel like i am just rubbing my make up all over my face then wiping it off do i need to wash with it twice if i have a lot on?Asked on 9/20/2013 by Anna G from Albuquerque
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A:You do not need to use a lot of this product. It's recommended that you only use a quarter-sized amount and apply to the entire face, including the eye area, with gentle, upward, circular motions. Remove with a warm, damp face cloth or cotton pad.
Also, if you would like follow this with a balancing facial toner such as Eau Roma Water.Answered on 11/21/2013 by Anonymous
A:I love ultrabland. I put it on my face and then use a washcloth to take it off. I only use about a dime size. Hope this helps.
Sent from my iPhoneAnswered on 9/21/2013 by Anonymous
A:Don't be afraid to apply a glob of Ultrabland directly into your eye area if you, like me, don't have any reaction to it getting in your eyes. Concentrate gentle, circular motions on the areas with heavier/sticker make up, then soak a wash cloth in very warm water. Hold the wash cloth against your face, and let the heat form a little steam. I push my finger tips against my eyes and hold it against my cheeks with my palms. After pressing the wash cloth against your face for at least 3-5 seconds, remove it in a slow, wiping motion like they do when you get a facial, being sure to gently, methodically wipe the entire surface of your face once. If I have particularly heavy make up on or if I didn't take enough time or care with the wash cloth the first time, I will rinse the cloth and repeat the steaming/wiping step. The wash cloth will be full of make up that is hard to rinse out so I often use a new one each day, which is sort of a pain. If your skin can handle it, I sometimes wash first with Cetaphil. I understand that's not ideal, but if it makes you use the Ultrabland regularly, it's better than...not using it. Try taking more time with the Ultrabland before jumping straight to pre-washing. The ingredients in Ultrabland really should be enough to break down your make up, so washing first is more of a way to make you feel better. It's similar to how you might feel like your hair is cleanest when it's squeaky after shampooing, when what you've done is dried out your hair.Answered on 9/20/2013 by Anonymous
A:I personally.. get a hot wash towel.. wet my face before I put the
cleanser on, and then rub the cleanser on my eyes mostly.. then rub
around the rest of my face., and you don't need a whole lot to rub on
the face..I rub it in , till I get all the cleanser rubbed into the
face to loosen up the makeup .. and then I wash it off.. then rinse
the towel a couple of times, and rinse again... till I feel its
washed off , and feels clean.. :)Answered on 9/20/2013 by Anonymous
A:I don't wear too much makeup, on a heavy day it's BB cream and mascara and blush so once does the trick for me! I don't think it would hurt any to do it twice!! I usually use a nickel sized amount and massage it in my face for and on my eyes and that seems to more than cover everything
Sent from my iPhoneAnswered on 9/20/2013 by Anonymous
A:Anna G - the ultrabland is a bid thick. I use it like those old
fashioned cold creams. You put it on and some people just wipe it off
with a tissue or cotton ball. This leaves a moisturizing base on and
they use that instead of lotion. I actually like to wash it off with
just some warm water and a facecloth. This also leaves a moisturizing
base on but it isn't as heavy. I think that it's okay to wash it twice
if you have a lot on.
Also, my mom uses it just as a nighttime lotion. She will put a thin
layer on after a shower (she often showers at night) and then just go to
sleep. She says that it really helps to moisturize her skin, especially
in the wintertime.
Hope this helps.Answered on 9/20/2013 by Anonymous
Q:I've been using this as a cleanser and a moisturizer, I've seen a positive change but will this end up clogging my pores in the long run?Asked on 8/29/2013 by damsel.incontrol from United States
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A:Utlrabland is really effective at removing build-up from your skin, so I don't think it will contribute to blocked pores. It is very moisturizing as you've found, so you might want to alternate with a different cleanser if you're finding it is over-moisturing your face.Answered on 10/4/2013 by Kendra M from LUSH Direct
A:Hello. I use the ultrabland pretty much every day. I also gave some to
my mom and my aunt and they love it. We haven't had any problem with
clogging of the pores. I use it mostly as a cleanser and in the
wintertime, also as a moisturizer. My mother mainly uses it as a
cleanser. We're all way above the age of any pimples - puberty is far
behind us. I've been using this product for almost five years now
(pretty much daily) and oiliness/pimples has not been an issue. Hope
this helps with your question.
SunnyAnswered on 8/31/2013 by Anonymous


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