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According to a report by Yahoo! News' John Cook, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal -- the second-largest shareholder of Fox News' parent company News Corp. -- has deep funding ties to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the "principal planner" of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan.
You'd think that alone would give pause to the screeching heads on Fox News that repeatedly try to tie Rauf "by way of lengthy and often confusing chains of causation and association" to terrorism.
Cook reports:
The opponents of the proposed Cordoba Initiative Islamic center planned for lower Manhattan are fond of suggesting, by way of lengthy and often confusing chains of causation and association, that its principal planner Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is connected to terrorism. "The imam has been tied to some shady characters," Fox Business Channel's Eric Bolling recently said, "so should we worry that terror dollars could be funding the project?" Blogger Pamela Geller, who has become a regular talking head on cable news channels to denounce the mosque, has noted Rauf's involvement with a Malaysian peace group that funded the group that organized the Gaza flotilla under the headline, "Ground Zero Imam Rauf's 'Charity' Funded Genocide Mission."
On last night's Daily Show, Jon Stewart skewered these antics as a "dangerous game of guilt by association you can play with almost anybody," and proceeded to tie Fox News to Al Qaeda by connecting Fox News parent News Corp's second-largest shareholder, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, to the Carlyle Group, which has done business with the bin Laden family, "one of whose sons--obviously I'm not going to say which one--may be anti-American." But Stewart didn't need to take all those steps to make the connection: Al-Waleed has directly funded Rauf's projects to the tune of more than $300,000. If Fox newscasters can darkly suggest "terror dollars" are sluicing into the Islamic Center's coffers via "shady characters," then are Al-Waleed, and News Corp. leader Rupert Murdoch, by the same logic, also terror stooges? (The "Daily Show" video appears after the jump.)
Indeed, as none other than Rupert Murdoch's New York Post reported last May, the Kingdom Foundation, al-Waleed's personal charity, has donated a total of $305,000 to Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, a leadership and networking project sponsored jointly by two of Rauf's organizations, the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative. Al-Waleed owns a seven percent, $2.3 billion stake in News Corporation. Likewise, News Corporation owns a 9 percent, $70 million stake--purchased in February--in Rotana, Al-Waleed's Saudi media conglomerate. Put another way: Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are in business, to the tune of billions of dollars, with one of the "Terror Mosque Imam's" principal patrons.
Fox News had no comment. An e-mail to Al-Waleed's Kingdom Holdings was not returned.
Cook's entire piece is well worth a read, especially if you want to see Geller spin the lack of outrage based on Fox News' ties to al-Waleed.
When Media Matters first highlighted reports that Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. -- the parent company of outlets like Fox News, Wall Street Journal and New York Post -- had given a $1 million contribution to the Republican Governors' Association, we noted the possible motivation behind the massive contribution:
According to the [Bloomberg] article, News Corp. is actually the RGA's "biggest corporate donor." Bloomberg suggests that News Corp. has made these donations due to their opposition to "proposed federal rule changes that would weaken the position of its Fox network in negotiations with cable companies," stating that "Governors may have a stake in the issue."
Over on Newser.com's Off The Grid blog, Michael Wolff has even more to say about the possible motivation. He writes (emphasis added):
The notable thing about Rupert Murdoch donating a million bucks to the Republican Governors Association is not that he's risking general censure and opprobrium with this donation, but that he's donating money at all. Murdoch hates the idea of giving away money for nothing. The simple public relations idea of courting goodwill by donating an infinitesimal part of your wealth to a charity of your choice is anathema to Murdoch. He thinks the rich guys who do it are phonies. He's always irritated with his 102-year-old mother for supporting Australian charities—in this regard he rather thinks she's a phony.
Just say a little bird told me … the money doesn't come from Rupert.
The company is claiming the donation has nothing to do with its news side, going so far as to audaciously say, "There is a strict wall between business and editorial." The "corporate side" made the donation, News Corp.'s hapless spokesman insists. But the central advocate for giving the dough has been none other than Fox Chief Roger Ailes. In the past, Ailes has been stymied or neutralized in his quest to have the company put its corporate money where its mouth is, because the No. 2 in the company until last summer, Peter Chernin, was a Democrat.
With Chernin gone, and with Fox News outperforming most other parts of the company, Ailes is the central voice. What's more, Chernin's sidekick, corporate PR-guy Gary Ginsberg, who could be counted on to use the threat of bad press to keep Murdoch from giving in to Ailes' none-too-politic schemes and demands, is also gone—purged, in part, by Ailes.
Newsbusters' attempts to explain away Fox News parent News Corp's $1 million contribution to the GOP would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.
Earlier this week, Tim Graham offered the utterly inane defense that "Democrats are having a fit over the RGA donation, even if the overall donation levels are about even." By "overall donation levels are about even," Graham was referring to the fact that, according to the Washington Post, prior to the $1 million contribution, "the News Corp./Fox political action committee had given 54 percent of its donations to Democrats and 46 percent to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics … News Corp. also gave $45,000 each to GOP and Democratic campaign committees on Capitol Hill."
Now, that 54/46 split obscures the dollar amounts in question, which is roughly $78,000 to Democrats and $66,500 to Republicans. Add in the $45,000 each to the GOP and Democratic campaign committees and we're talking about $123,000 to Democrats and $111,500 to Republicans -- which is, indeed, "about even." But wait! We can't just ignore that $1 million contribution in assessing "overall donation levels." It is, after all, an actual contribution of actual money that can be spent on actual political activities. When you add it to the mix, Fox has given the GOP about $1.1 million, and Democrats about $123,000 -- that's nearly ten times as much to the GOP. And yet Graham claimed that "overall donation levels are about even"! That's just incredibly false. In doing so, he conveniently omitted any mention of the actual dollar amounts referred to by the 54/46 split, which would have given away his little ruse. That's just incredibly dishonest.
Now here's Newsbuster Noel Sheppard:
Comedian Jon Stewart on Wednesday bashed Fox News for parent company News Corporation's $1 million donation to the Republican Governors Association.
Unfortunately, Stewart failed to inform his viewers that Viacom, the parent company of Comedy Central, has so far given disproportionately to Democrats this year.
according to Open Secrets, Viacom's Political Action Committee has so far this year contributed 62 percent of its money to Democrats and only 38 percent to Republicans
In 2008, this ratio was 58 percent Democrats, 42 percent Republicans
Sheppard stopped there, not telling readers what the numbers were for 2006, or 2004, or 2002, or 2000, or 1998. Call me a cynic, but I suspect that's because Viacom gave more than 60 percent of its PAC contributions to Republicans in 2006 and 2004, and a majority to Republicans in 2002 and 1998 (Viacom's PAC contributions were split between the parties 50/50 in 2000.)
See, PAC contributions tend to flow to the party in power, as corporate PACs tend to give money to incumbents. Given that, Viacom's contribution pattern isn't particularly noteworthy. Not to mention the fact that Sheppard has a problem of scale that he isn't addressing: According to the data Sheppard cited, Viacom's PAC has given a total of $176,700 to politicians of both parties this year, so that 62/38 split in favor of the Democrats results in about a $42,000 advantage. Now, remember, Fox/News Corp have given about one million dollars more to the GOP than the Dems this cycle. So responding by pointing to the $42,000 advantage Democrats have in Viacom contributions is pretty silly. Maybe that's why Sheppard used percentages rather than raw numbers? Nah, he wouldn't be that dishonest … would he?
Sheppard then repeats Graham's absurd argument:
Beyond this, as NewsBusters reported hours before Stewart made his comments, prior to this $1 million donation, News Corp. had actually given 54 percent of its donations to Democrats and 46 percent to Republicans.
Yes, it's true: if you don't count News Corp's $1 million contribution to the GOP, it has given Democrats slightly more than it has given Republicans! And if you don't count everything Noel Sheppard has ever written, he rarely makes a fool of himself in public.
UPDATE: Graham has appended a correction to his post, acknowledging: "Adding $1 million to the GOP side shows a more dramatic tilt to the GOP than my faulty original assumption."
Last night on MSNBC's Ed Show, Democratic Governors' Association executive director Nathan Daschle discussed the $1 million donation given to the Republican Governors' Association by News Corp. -- Fox News' parent company -- saying the right-wing network was, "literally the mouthpiece of the Republican Party." He also discussed his numerous failed attempts to appear on the outlet and discuss the issue:
Now Daschle is calling on Fox News to display a disclaimer whenever it discusses governors or 2010 gubernatorial races. As Politico's Ben Smith notes:
Democratic Governors Association Executive Director Nathan Daschle writes Fox News chief Roger Ailes with a challenge:
In the interest of some fairness and balance, I request that you add a formal disclaimer to your news coverage any time any of your programs cover governors or gubernatorial races between now and Election Day. I suggest that the disclaimer say: "News Corp., parent company of Fox News, provided $1 million to defeat Democratic governors in November." If you do not add a disclaimer, I request that you and your staff members on the "fair and balanced" side of the network demand that the contribution be returned.
From the August 17 edition of Comedy Central's Colbert Report:
We already know that News Corp.'s $1 million contribution to the Republican Governors Association all but confirms that Fox News is little more than the media arm of the Republican Party. But it turns out that the donation may violate company policy as well.
The News Corp. website has posted the company's "Standards of Business Conduct." Under the section "Dealing With Government Officials," it states (emphasis added):
No payment shall be made to, or for the benefit of, any public official in order to induce or entice such official to: enact, defeat or violate any law or regulation for the Company's benefit; influence any official act; or obtain any favorable action by a governmental agency or official on behalf of the Company.
Social amenities, entertainment and other courtesies may be extended to government officials or employees only to the extent appropriate and reasonable under applicable laws and customs. Gifts of greater than nominal value to, or lavish entertainment of, public officials are prohibited. No gifts in the form of cash, stock or other similar consideration shall be given, regardless of amount. Any gift about which an employee is uncertain should not be made without the prior written approval of the Company's General Counsel. Any expenses incurred by a Company employee in connection with the matters discussed herein shall be accurately recorded on the Company's books and records.
Further, Dow Jones, the Wall Street Journal parent that News Corp. acquired a couple years back, has a similar policy stating that "Dow Jones does not contribute, directly or indirectly, to political campaigns or to political parties or groups seeking to raise money for political campaigns or parties, and Dow Jones does not and will not reimburse any employee for any political contribution made by an employee.
News Corp. stated that its reason for donating to the RGA was that "the RGA's pro-business agenda supports our priorities at this most critical time for our economy." Bloomberg pointed out that one possible motivation for the donation is possible state influence on "proposed federal rule changes that would weaken the position of its Fox network in negotiations with cable companies."
It appears that News Corp.'s donation goes against the spirit, if not the letter, of its own prohibitions against such contributions.
(h/t Think Progress)
In May, I noted that Rupert Murdoch's Times Online and Sun Online were clamping down on traffic stats in advance of putting up a paywall.
In retrospect the move appears to have been adept, especially when you consider the post-paywall traffic decline of more than 1.2 million readers from the two papers.
MediaWeek's Sarah Shearman reports:
In May, the free-to-access website Timesonline.co.uk attracted 2.79 million unique users in the UK, a slight increase on the level of the previous three months.
News International launched its separate Thetimes.co.uk and Thesundaytimes.co.uk websites on 25 May. It made registration compulsory and began redirecting users from the old site on 15 June and started charging for access to both sites on 2 July.
According to ComScore, the combined number of unique visitors to the two new sites has fallen to 1.61 milion in July, from 2.22 million in June, and 2.79 million in May.
The average number of minutes each user spent on the site was 7.6 in May, 5.8 in June and 4 in July.
Page views have dropped from 29 million in May to 20 million in June and 9 million in July.
News International has run an introductory offer offering subscribers 30 days' access for £1. Its basic pricing is £1 for a day's access to The Times and The Sunday Times and £2 for a week, while subscribers to each newspaper get free access to the related website.
No indications have yet emerged from the company as to how many people have subscribed or how much revenue subscriptions have generated.
The figures relating to dwell time and page impressions on the site suggest the actual number of subscribers is much lower than the 1.6 million recorded by ComScore, with many people accessing the homepage and then moving on, adding to the overall unique users but drastically reducing average time spent on site.
On October 30, 2008, Fox News' Bill O'Reilly went off on one of his trademark tirades about the media, complaining that they're all irredeemably liberal and biased, and the only hope for the free press in America was "Fair and Balanced" Fox News. Of particularly note was O'Reilly's scathing attack on General Electric, the parent company of NBC and one of O'Reilly's favorite punching bags, for "using its money and power to benefit a presidential candidate. That is a gross violation of the spirit of the constitutional powers given to a free press."
As O'Reilly put it, General Electric allegedly sided with Barack Obama so "they could lure millions of Obama supporters and make money."
Fast forward to today, and we find out that News Corp., the parent company of Bill O'Reilly's Fox News, has donated $1 million to the Republican Governors Association, an openly partisan outfit that helps to elect Republican gubernatorial candidates through campaign coordination and independent advertising. According to Politico's Ben Smith, a News Corp. spokesman said that the company "believes in the power of free markets, and the RGA's pro-business agenda supports our priorities at this most critical time for our economy."
Here we have News Corp., to borrow O'Reilly's words, "using its money and power to benefit" several Republican candidates for statewide office. And unlike General Electric, whose alleged support, according to O'Reilly, came in the form of biased news coverage, News Corp. has made a direct cash contribution to this Republican outfit.
So when can we expect O'Reilly's denunciation of News Corp.'s "gross violation of the spirit of the constitutional powers given to a free press"?
Bloomberg News reports today (h/t Daily Kos' KingOneEye) that News Corp. -- the media giant which owns Fox News and The Wall Street Journal -- has donated $1 million to the Republican Governors Association, the GOP organization that helps coordinate Republican gubernatorial campaigns and pays for independent ads in support of their candidates.
Media Matters has confirmed Bloomberg's report using publicly available IRS filings. We also found no evidence of corresponding donations to the Democratic Governors Association in the current political cycle. News Corp. wants Republicans elected to office, and they're willing to spend money to make it happen.
According to the article, News Corp. is actually the RGA's "biggest corporate donor." Bloomberg suggests that News Corp. has made these donations due to their opposition to "proposed federal rule changes that would weaken the position of its Fox network in negotiations with cable companies," stating that "Governors may have a stake in the issue."
Whether or not that is the case, this large corporate donation to the GOP underscores News Corp.'s role as an appendage of the Republican Party.
UPDATE: Politico's Ben Smith has received the following quote from a News Corp. spokesman: "News Corporation believes in the power of free markets, and the RGA's pro-business agenda supports our priorities at this most critical time for our economy." They're not trying to hide it anymore. As the coverage of its media outlets indicates, News Corp. supports the Republican Party's platform. It's just now started putting its money where its mouth has long been.
Coming soon to your iPad or mobile device, Rupert Murdoch's News Corps brings you the news in what is being billed as a "new national digital newspaper to be distributed exclusively as paid content."
The new digital paper will be produced under the roof of Murdoch's New York Post so it is sure to tug News Corps' right-wing party line.
The Los Angeles Times Dawn C. Chmielewski reports:
News Corp. Chief Executive Rupert Murdoch is embarking on an ambitious plan for a new national digital newspaper to be distributed exclusively as paid content for tablet computers such as Apple Inc.'s iPad and mobile phones.
The initiative, which would directly compete with the New York Times, USA Today and other national publications, is the latest attempt by a major media organization to harness sexy new devices to reach readers who increasingly consume their news on the go. The development underscores how the iPad is transforming the reading habits of consumers much like the iPod changed how people listen to music.
"We'll have young people reading newspapers," the 79-year-old Murdoch said during the company's Aug. 4 earnings call. "It's a real game changer in the presentation of news."
Unlike News Corp.'s business-centric Wall Street Journal, the new digital newspaper would target a more general readership, offering short, snappy stories that could be digested quickly. The newsroom would operate under the auspices of Murdoch's New York Post and be overseen by its managing editor, Jesse Angelo. News Corp. has yet to set a launch date, although people familiar with the matter said the news organization would like it to debut by year's end.
Although it would draw the reporting resources of the Post and Dow Jones, Murdoch could potentially invest millions of dollars to staff the operation and charge a yet-to-be determined subscription fee. One person familiar with the plan said News Corp. envisions a staff of several dozen reporters and editors and that the budget has not yet been determined.
Claire Cain Miller and Brian Stelter have a must read piece in the New York Times about net neutrality in which they note the palpable silence from media companies like Comcast and Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.
Barry Diller -- "who oversees Expedia, Ticketmaster, Match.com and other sites" – comes out swinging in the Times story against a proposed compromise by Google and Verizon calling the deal a "sham."
More on that proposed deal can be found at Free Press.
As Media Matters has noted:
Right-wing media have falsely claimed that the Net neutrality principle supported by the Obama administration is an attempt by the government to control Internet content. In fact, net neutrality does not mean government control of content on the Internet; rather, net neutrality ensures equal and open access for consumers and producers of content and applications, and is supported by a wide array of groups including the American Civil Liberties Union and the Christian Coalition of America.
Perhaps no one in the national media has done more to muddy the issue of net neutrality than Glenn Beck, a News Crop employee:
More from the NYT after the jump.
How long will it be until News Corps honcho Rupert Murdoch goes after those using the word "My" because of MySpace or Disney because its animated classic The Fox And The Hound has the word "Fox" in its title?
The Telegraph's Rupert Neate reports that Murdoch's BSkyB "has been ensconced in a legal battle with Skype for more than five years" because "because customer[s] might assume that 'Skype' is part of Sky."
Neate writes:
A spokesman for Sky, which is 39.1pc-owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, said the company was trying to prevent Skype from using its trademark in relation to the sale of TV or internet service, because customer might assume that 'Skype' is part of Sky.
"Sky is involved in a long-running dispute with Skype in relation to several trade mark applications filed by Skype, including, but not limited to, television-related goods and services," the spokesman said. "The key contention in the dispute is that the brands 'Sky' and 'Skype' will be considered confusingly similar by members of the public."
Sky said it has taken legal action against a string of companies for attempting to piggyback on the "Sky" brand.
Back in April, I wrote about News Corp and Fox News' love/hate relationship with the LGBT community:
It's no secret that Fox News doesn't live up to its "fair and balanced" slogan, especially when one considers its coverage of the LGBT community. In fact, much of its coverage is openly antagonistic and downright homophobic. On issue after issue of importance, the network, its hosts, anchors, contributors, and guests offer up lies, misinformation, and right-wing spin that only further stigmatizes the gay and lesbian community.
A review of Fox News' employment practices however, reveals a network at odds with its own homophobic public image.
According to an examination of the Human Rights Campaign's (HRC) employer database, News Corp. (Fox News' parent company) has had a policy protecting employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation since at least 2005 and has offered health care benefits to same-sex partners since at least 1999. Time Warner (CNN's parent company) and General Electric (NBC/MSNBC's parent company) offer not only these basic protections to gay and lesbian employees, they appear to go even further.
The HRC's Corporate Equality Index rates Time Warner and General Electric with 100 percent and 80 percent, respectively, while News Corp. has yet to complete the survey that HRC uses to establish its index. News Corp. would give us a better understanding of how it treats LGBT employees on a variety of other important issues by completing the survey, but the media company does deserve credit for at least offering some very basic protections and benefits for gay and lesbian employees.
Lack of a Corporate Equality Index rating notwithstanding, News Corp. has taken its support for LGBT employees a step further by sponsoring the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) which describes itself on its website as "an organization of journalists, media professionals, educators and students working from within the news industry to foster fair and accurate coverage of LGBT issues." In fact, the program from the organization's annual conference last fall in Montréal included an ad from News Corp. stating: "The networks of Fox News honor NLGJA for its commitment to fair and balanced reporting. From your friends at Fox News Channel, Fox Business, News Corporation."
That ultimately is what's truly sad about News Corp.'s relationship with its LGBT "friends." The media company gives its employees decent protections and benefits while making the lives of the very same employees more difficult in the long-run by broadcasting homophobia and misinformation that harden anti-LGBT views and slow the movement for full equality under the law.
Evidence of this love/hate relationship couldn't be clearer of late, especially for those watching the right-wing network in the days following Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling that California's Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.
As Media Matters noted this week:
What must the LGBT employees at News Corp and Fox News think of their employer's attacks on the landmark, detailed, 136 page ruling?
To be fair, you may be looking for the "love" part of the "love/hate" relationship in this particular story. It should be noted that Margaret Hoover -- a Fox News contributor and the great-granddaughter of President Herbert Hoover – is on the advisory board of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which spearheaded the legal challenge against Proposition 8 leading to this decision.
Read the entire ruling after the jump.
According to an article in the New York Post, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp (which owns the Post) is considering a "bid for the bankrupt Texas Rangers."
How cool would it be to see the Rangers playing at MySpace Field? A kid can dream can't he?
The Post's Josh Kosman reports:
Bidding for the suddenly resurgent baseball franchise will begin at $307 million, but a winning bid may be $100 million higher -- or more.
It could not be learned if News Corp., whose Fox Sports Southwest unit owns television rights to the team, would bid independently or as part of a group.
News Corp. may add its name to the list of wannabe owners of the suddenly competitive Texas Rangers baseball team.
There are several other potential bidders, including a group led by Hall of Famer and Rangers team president Nolan Ryan and a group led by Mark Cuban, the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks.
It wouldn't be Murdoch's first foray into athletics. I highlighted the following report from The Independent in May:
Rugby club Melbourne Storm, which is owned by Murdoch's News Limited, has been at the centre of a major scandal, after players were found to have been receiving secret payments to stay at the club. This contravenes Australia's strict salary cap rules, and Murdoch has been fined a A$500,000. How many more fines can a magnate afford?
As a result of the scandal, the Storm was stripped of its "2007 and 2009 championship titles" as well as "three minor titles from 2006-08."
UPDATE: Accoring to another Post report, "News Corp. announced Tuesday it will not be submitting a bid for the Texas Rangers."
The National's Ben Flanagan reports that "Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud plans to launch a 24-hour Arabic-language news channel in partnership with Rupert Murdoch's Fox network, and has recruited the controversial Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi to head the station."
Something tells me Murdoch won't be importing the anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria found almost daily on Fox News stateside to this new venture.
The Daily Show's Jon Stewart did a send-up of Fox News' anti-Muslim tendencies earlier this week:
You can find a great deal more here about the right-wing network's history of making controversial assertions about Muslims -- often by baselessly branding them as "terrorists" or "terrorist sympathizers" -- calling for profiling, or equating Islam and all of its adherents with radical extremists who claim to act in its name.


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Liam ya crazyb ole C*NT!lol Ya stil livin dwn n Belfast?? Stil avent seen ya about... Were bouts do u hide out n drink???lol
Ach sure you're just right. I might be going up to Belfast for halloween so I might see ya there? Not much was at a house party last night where i managed to consume almost a litre of vodka and naughty shenanigans were had which i cannot discuss over bebo lol and I still made it into work today And now I have three tests to study for and a short story to write.... not looking forward to going home today lol Hows 2nd year looking for ya then?
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He's full of banter that man you'll have a good night I'm sure... I did lol Back in Beal Feirste are ya having the time of your life ahhh hopefully I'll be joining ya next year tehe. I suppose you were full for the whole 5 days of freshers week... even thought youre not a fresher Haven't been online much lately myself the internet has finally run out of things to entertain me with lol

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September 19th, 2006 #1
Is tracing ethically ok and is it useful?
More and more people trace those days. And I'm not talking about the ones that just rip off anatomy books like eldavissimo but people that are using photos, frames from movies and the like, usually plundered form the net. I'm not talking about using reference for something I'm talking about straight tracing when somebody takes a porn picture or a still frame from a Hollywood movie, puts it on a layer in photoshop and draws over it (and sometimes uses part of the original photo in the final art). Countless people now do that PROFESSIONALLY (i.e. making money out of their art), especially in comic books (covers and interiors). Some 'artists' are even really famous for that.
To me this is ethically wrong, because you basically steal from somebody else, and this is technically wrong because it will never look good. Any pro can spot those images a mile away. They have a lot of perspective problems, anatomy mistakes due to lense distortion and so on. BUT a lot of average customers and clients cannot see this, especially if the final picture looks 'like a photo'.
So I'd like to hear some opinion on this. Is it right to make money by tracing something, be it a character, a car, a building, a whole scene, of somebody else work (photo, movie, drawing, etc.)? This is to me a new problem because in the past it was never that easy to trace over things, but Photoshop and the current taste for 'realism' make it tempting for people without talent or shame to rip some reward.
What do you think?
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I use it as a learning tool only. And even then, it is tracing portions of a photo which i am finding impossible to eye-ball. The more i do it, the less i need to. essentially. I'm also a student, i'm all about learning. In a professional setting, unless you are are a traditional 2d animator, i don't think such a thing can be entirely legal. I mean, that is saying you are tracing something other then you're own work.
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Tracing and recolouring something, especially for commercial purposes, is definitely unethical, and probably illegal, though I don't really know about that stuff. I know more than one person who traces the drawings of others and passes it off as their own stuff. It's art theft to claim it as your own.
September 19th, 2006 #4
I consider it one of the cardinal sins, personaly.
But that's just me.
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September 19th, 2006 #5
i am learning, and i usually draw something from eye, then make a quick trace, and see how much i can improve, but using it as a pro is wrong, i mean if you understand color, balance anatomy and great enought to be called a pro, why should you trace something, use what you learn
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Tracing, photo manipulation, 3D backgrounds, whatever. More and more people use it in digital painting. I guess that's where it's heading.
The thing that's going to make someone stand out is good design.
September 19th, 2006 #7
Cardinal Sin.
I can see the usefulness in using it as a learning tool for paintovers, etc., in photoshop. I've managed to avoid it, however.
September 19th, 2006 #8
When you copy something for practice.. either a master drawing or a photo... When you're done you can trace your copy and place it over the thing you copied and see what you did wrong.
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September 19th, 2006 #9Originally Posted by Rebelismo
Copying for exercise purpose yes, tracing is counterproductive instead.
Yes it is something I personally stir away from, so yeah it is a 'cardinal sin' for me as well.
People who trace things to get advantage in the workplace should be barred from ever working professionaly and subsequently shot in the face.
Rebelismo: your position and nickname are very fishy, just saying.
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September 19th, 2006 #10
I don´t like it either.
September 20th, 2006 #11
Beyond plagiarism, I say do whatever it takes to make the piece look as good as possible as fast as possible. If you're putting up arbitrary rules that prevent you from making your image look the best it can, then you should rethink those rules.
That goes both ways. Tracing can just as easily make a piece look worse if you don't know what you're doing. It takes skill, just like everything else involved with creating art.
"If you can't draw, you can't trace.
And by that, I don't mean shouldn't. I mean can't."
PS. I would have never finished my Thunderdome image on time if I didn't use a little tracing here and there.
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September 20th, 2006 #12
I use to trace when doing line art. It still sometimes gets hard for me, just because it's such an easy way out and I don't want to take it.
I admit, I've "traced" when painting digitally, but only because I felt insecure about painting textures and such with a mouse. I'm weening myself off, but I still have photographic references. Also, I often trace when I do tattoo flash, just to keep consistency if I have repeating images.
September 20th, 2006 #13Originally Posted by 0kelvin
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September 20th, 2006 #14
Does it really make a picture be the best it can be?...because I think something like tracing would narrow the posibilities is a particular picture.
Isn´t it better to be trained enought to not have to trace anything??
I mean Okelvin, you said it, you coudn´t have finished your TD piece if it weren´t for tracing here and there...why depend on such thing to be able to reach a dead line?
And I don´t mean it as an "arbitrary rule", but no tracing haves benefits in the long run and tracing might spoil you, and it could be a big problem if for some reason you have to make a non-traced picture after tracing 100 before.
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Where did I say that tracing, photos, and 3D will help you come up with a better design?
Things are different with digital painting because people have the ability to use all of those elements. And they will. It's not going to be good if they don't know what the hell they're doing is it?
And you should look up what Scott Robertson, and Mark Goerner have to say about these subjects (use of photography, and 3d).
I'm pretty sure that Rockwell used the projector to trace some of his designs from time to time. Rockwell knew what he was doing of course.
September 20th, 2006 #16
Learn to observe, and draw what you see, instead of what you see, and you won't need to trace. At least not that often, anyhow. I almost always trace my own work when it comes to redraws, but I won't trace anyone else's work.
September 20th, 2006 #17
aslong as the end result looks good, and they didnt murder anyone in the making of it, i dont see the problem..
September 20th, 2006 #18
there was an extensive thread on this a little while ago...
and here it is: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71441&highlight=tracing
I personally don't agree with using other peoples' photos and frames from movies as your key refs (though this is as much for practical reasons as ethical ones) but people need to give the "cheating" issue a rest.
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September 20th, 2006 #19Originally Posted by Rebelismo
Besides there's a difference between tracing and referencing the two things are very different.
September 20th, 2006 #20my opinions stays the same, I don't condone it
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They started us tracing our own sketches in this animation class I am taking. I think I remember seeing documentaries at Disney where they use a lot of tracing, to keep images flowing seamlessly in the animation.
I have learned to trace my sketches in Photoshop so I can work under the lines, rather than directly on the sketch as I used to.
The issue confuses me. I see that many professionals use it, but that doesn't necessarily make it ok. It does make it easier to get a realistic image quickly. What would take me days or weeks of modeling skin tones in oil could only take a photomanipulator around an hour. Because I am interested in the field of entertainment art, I suppose this is an issue I will have to confront someday.
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September 20th, 2006 #22Originally Posted by DavePalumbo
It detracts from my appreciation of the piece, if they tell that they traced elements in it. Process is just as important as the end result, of course I value enourmously more the person that does not trace.
I don't really buy the whole 'whatever means necessary' discourse.
September 20th, 2006 #23Originally Posted by DavePalumbo
Is an odd, but a possible way of thinking...And not everyone thinks alike or enjoys things alike, otherwise we would all agree.
I wouls say yes, if I was to find out something was made from tracing I would be disappointed, because of the interest I had on that particular process. Of course I don´t mean a snobby disapointment in wish you need people to know that you don´t like that picture in order to show your apparent moral highground.......I mean a thing you feel in your chest and keep to yourself...Is uncontrolable, unwilling disapointment...
Personally I don´t consider it cheating unless you are using pictures that belong to other people, but still, I don´t like it....Just like my sister doesn´t like shrimps.
September 20th, 2006 #24I don't really buy the whole 'whatever means necessary' discourse
which is to say we can agree to disagree
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I understand what you are saying, but the first reason I do artwork is for myself, the fact that I need to sell my artwork to make a living is not why I do it. I don't delude myself with purist notions of selfrighteousness and whatnot, but I know that with enough effort most crutches can be avoided and the result can be a whole lot more satisfying.
On the subject of tracing, besides that I think it's the cheap way out, you don't really learn nearly as much from failing(even though that sounds weird, it makes perfect sense to me).
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I'm pretty much with Evildisco on everything (including his name pic ).
The problem is there will alwaways be ONE guy who thinks 'by whatever means' is ok. And this one guy will spread that type of behavior to other artists because if one is making good money and has the admiration of the crowds by tracing, why wouldln't other people want to do the same? It's a vicious circle where we could end up with a majority of tracers. So I think it is an ethical and moral choice: you have to decide for YOURSELF not to trace (and by that I mean 'tracing over other people work, be it drawings, photos, movies...').
I believe that what makes you as an artist is STYLE. Style is how you interpret reality as an artist. Mike Mignola didn't become famous because he can make drawings that 'look like photos'. And I could say the same about Picasso, Charles Schultz, Frazetta, Botticelli, Hugo Pratt, or Katsuhiro Otomo. Not a lot in common between all those artists except that they all have their own voice, their STYLE.
And they don't trace.
Tracing is evil.
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If it's business you should not place restrictions on yourself?
So no restrictions at all?
With that kind of philosophy you can also become a used car salesman, a bank robber or an astrologer.
Now, do you mind if I trace one of your paintings? I have a client who could be interested.
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If tracing is used, then on the final artwork it should have something like "Contains sample of the Mona Lisa", like they do on rap records. Tracing is stealing someone elses work, we can't debate that right? Why even trace, wouldn't it also be possible to just outright take someone elses work then claim it's your own. There's is stuff like collage, but everyone knows those pictures are taken from different sources. So if there was some way for the original artist to collect royalties, and the tracing was acknowledged, then I'd be ok with it.
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ironically, I think it's more of a crutch to draw arbitrary lines which cannot be crossed. I've always felt the tracing arguement is just a more refined (compromised? relaxed?) version of the reference arguement: The idea that you have when you're a little kid that all your favorite artists just conjure it all out of air, drawing everything from imagination (not even crediting memory as a source of reference). I think it's a naive viewpoint. You get older and realize that the guys in the movies don't use real bullets, the guys on the radio do 50 takes to get it perfect, and the guy behind his easel has photo refs to support his education and experience.
We all know that not just any fool with a prop gun can make a stunning chase scene or any joe with a recording studio can sound like the Beatles. We know that it's the skill, the tallent, and the years of experience that allow them to do these things using the tools at their disposal. Tracing can be an asset or a liability depending on the job and your own level of skill. In the end, it's a tool. I bet all the digital artists in the house make use of the history/undo features in photoshop. Why not make that against the rules too? Why should an artist of any creative field impose limitations for the sake of romance? Marathon runners don't run in dress shoes.
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September 20th, 2006 #30So no restrictions at all?
With that kind of philosophy you can also become a used car salesman, a bank robber or an astrologer.
Now, do you mind if I trace one of your paintings? I have a client who could be interested.
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After the board meeting, Ferguson explained he didn't agree with "shutting things down for nine months." He added that as far as he knew, Spezio, the owner of the Elam operation, had done things right and according to the existing town law. Spezio applied for a special use permit last September.
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