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Shinya Aoki in second place??? hahahaha please
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Shinya Aoki in second place??? hahahaha please
Aoki is a good fighter but I think Florian would run through him and i doubt he could beat some of the better wrestlers like Griffin, Sherk, Sanchez, or Stevenson. The competition in Japan isn't as stout and it favors a fighter like Aoki. He would not have the same success fighting in the us.
Well I would switch 2nd and third place for the p4p section… First of all, GSP defeated BJ, he avenged his two only losses in great fashion and have dominated so far all the top competition in his category. When you take a look at the common fighters both of em faced off GSP still have the upper hand. BJ stopped Sherk in the third round, GSP stopped him in the second. GSP clearly dominated his two wins against Matt Hughes while it was a little harder for BJ even if he stopped Hughes one round earlier than GSP. GSP only lost one of his 29 rounds he fought in the ufc and it was to BJ, even when he lost his two fights he was winning the rounds, while BJ lost 3 times by decision. Even with those stats I would say BJ and GSP are pretty close from 1 to another but when we look at it it's a bit unfair to see BJ ahead of Georges.
BJ is an amazing lightweight, but lets be serious for a minute. Are they still going to call him a p4p contender When Ken-flo methodically picks him apart and takes a third round win?
Sorry guys I forgot an important stat up there… The combined record of the opponents both fighter fought. For GSP, the combined record of the opponents he faced is 239-35-2 in 13 fights, for an average of 86,6% of victory. For BJ the combined record of his opponents is 224-36-6 also in 13 fights. For an average of 84.2% of victory. Again, GSP have the upper hand. Note that these stats are only based in their UFC carreer and I picked my stats on Sherdog.com, which sometimes have a record for fighters different than the UFC's official record, for example, the record of Matt Serra is 9-5 but the official UFC record is 16-5, I think that's because Sherdog don't count the wins of Ultimate Fighter internal events.
Well to finish I made a mistake in my other text above, BJ lost only twice by decision in the UFC, his loss against Lyoto Machida was in K-1. Sorry about that mistake!
Well said Josh and Alex.
I still don't uderstand why people won't concede that Fedor is the best P4P fighter in the world. He has fought all of the big names handed to him and dominated. He is the most well rounded fighter in the world. Anderson Silva is great, but he has lost to some sub par fighters. Fedor has (essentially) never lost. What else do you have to do to get credit as the hands down best pound for pound fighter in the world?
The lightweight division could get a lot of debate here. Aoki most recently defeated JZ and Alvarez which are two standout lightweight fighters. Before this loss Alvarez was getting a lot of attention in a lot of P4P rankings.
Am I hallucinating or did GSP and BJ just switched their places in the p4p section following my comments???
Well Dave Although Fedor is good he hasnt shown why he should be lately i mean come on his last 5 fights and wins were against very low mediocre fighters even Sylvia. While Anderson Silva has fought everyone and even stepped out of his weight class for a few fights for a catch fight per say and won those in dominating fashion…honestly speaking Silva would beat Fedor in my opinion but that wont ever happen..Fedor is great but he hasnt proved he is the best p4p fighter…Silva has proven he belongs in the top 2 at least..Give Fedor 3 more wins against top notch talent and i could see him rise in the rankings.
Lesnar is right where i thought he should be…ahead of Randy..if he beats Mir that would put him at 4th…
GSP is amazing and wil beat BJ.
Tim did u just call Tim Sylvia Mediocre? LMAO.Then u say Fedor would lose to Anderson. Wow ok well they bith weight they same walking around but Anderson fights at MW. Hmm I wonder why? He is nervous about even going upto 205 so I dont even think he would fight Fedor. Then u want fedor to beat every single top 10 HW then he can be #1 P4P. I dont think that P4P in boxing means a whole lot so im not gonna really argue. I mean Anderson just fought James Irvin, Patrick Cote and is possibly going to fight Thals Leites. Now say what u want about fedors opponents but those fighters arent that good either atleast not if you are claiming Anderson to be #1.He should be fighting other top guys. GSP now he is IMO the P4P best and he fights the best everytime too. Just 1 more question Tim do u think Anderson would beat Lesnar b/c I think he has a way better chance against Lesnar then he does against fedor.
take gomi and put in Grey or nick diaz..
Thiago Silva should be 3 or 4 fuck that..he is way better then chuck and most the ppl put on the top ten i think he will kill forrest or Evans watch
faber and torrels are like number 2 or 3 best pound for pound hahaha
im with you steve about anderson
if he is really retiring after his contract every fight should be against a superstar i dont want to see him against thales.
TIM – no offense, but the fact that you actually said that Anderson Silva would beat Fedor, tells me that either you know nothing about MMA or you work for the UFC's marketing department. Anderson has 3 legitimate losses to Ryo Chonan, Daiju Takase, and Luiz Azeredo (2 by submission). Fedor has been beat by nobody. He beats anyone who he gets matched up against, good or mediocre. That is why he should be the P4P champ.
And by the way, Tim Sylvia is mediocre? A guy who is 24-5 with only 6 victories going the distance? Put down the pipe, dude.
really Leonard Garcia should be held within the top 3 featherweight you saw how he destroyed pulver whereas faber took max rounds on him. i see Garcia as a champ this year.. heard it here first
No way should Dan Henderson be listed ahead of Rich Franklin. Look at who Franklin has lost to — only Anderson Silva and undefeated part-time marathon runner Machida. Franklin has beaten some of the best in his division. Henderson on the other hand is a seasoned veteran, but has come up short in his last few fights. Sure, he looked better than Rich Franklin against the Silva fight, but looking at the overall fight career as of late, Franklin should be ranked higher.
i agree derek franklin should be ranked higher silva is the only one to beat him in the 185 division ever.
Good points. Ok, so Franklin above Hendo. Gomi is fighting tonight so I'll wait to see what happens there before dropping him down. I agree with moving Leonard Garcia up.
As far as pound for pound, all of the first 5 dominate their division and you can argue away for all of them. One person can say Fedor is pretty much undefeated and dominates almost all of his fights, then another person would say who has he fought lately. Then they'll say Tim Silvia doesn't count becuse he sucks, Coleman was past his prime, and Lindland was in another weight class.
The point is that all five of those top guys are dominant and could be argued for any one of those spots. But the good news is in a few weeks we'll see Penn vs. GSP and that should say a lot.
Tom brought up Thiago Silva. Anyone else think he should move up in the rankings?
He's 13-0 (2 sub, 10 TKO, 1 decision) and has 4 UFC wins including 2 to newcomers and then Houston Alexander and James Irwin. Are his wins and record good enough to put him higher?
no thiago hasnt beaten anyone in the top 15 let alone top ten imo but if he beats lyoto which i doubt but will be rooting for him he should move way up.
Gomi loses for the second time in a row at Sengoku 7, he is now off the lightweight rankings. Took Toms advise put Gray Maynard in Gomi's place.
fuck yeah…i like i said last night gomi should be out and gray should be in…check out what happend..Gomi out gray in at his spot
I'm not sure how Gray Maynard makes the top 10 for lightweight. Who has he fought?
maynard dominated edgar who was undefeated and beat quality opponents. edgar was on the fast track to the title before gray took him out. he just dominated rich clementi who was on a crazy winning streak and if clementi beat maynard u better believe he would be in the top ten. i think gray is way more deserving than gomi who looks like shit the last two years or diego who hasnt even proved he can make 155 yet.
I agree that Maynard should be in the top 10 because he has looked really impressive since TUF. I have to admit I was pissed he won Edgar because I had money riding on that fight. What the hell happened to Gomi anyway he's looked shitty since he lost to Diaz.
Honestly, I didn't even know Edgar was in the top 10. Either way, I must have missed those fights because I don't remember them. I agree, I do like Maynard, and Edgar for that matter.
Grey is a badass.. he has great takedowns and ground and pound and now he can strike pretty good and he for sure has punching power.. happy to see him in the top 10 but still if Gray is in i think Nick should also be in becasue Daiz sub him
i totally forgot about diaz i think he should be in there too
give him sanchez's spot until sanchez actually wins a fight at 155
bj will tko florian when they fight. kenny looks techinical against good oppoments but bj will be too much for him.
how did matt hughes even make this list???
DAVE to say that Fedor can not be beat is an understatement and just goes to show you and everyone else here who thinks that they must know nothing about MMA or are just so Hung tight around FEDOR balls that they cant seem to think otherwise that he could actually lose and right Now the best P$P fighter in the world today is Anderson Silva as he has beat legitamate opponents in every fight he has had so far in the UFC while Fedor has faced only 1 Tim Sylvia within the last 2 years so until Fedor faces top notch competion straight for the next 2 years and Silva loses he wont be P$P best fighter although he is right there at number 2. So dont tell me i know nothing because if you knew anything about MMA you would know Anyone at anytime can be beat in MMA even my favorite Lesnar can and probably will lose sometime this year although i hope he doesnt. But Seriously your just a damn fool to think that Fedor cant be beat….Never say Never.
Steve….with all due respect Tim Sylvia was a mediocre fighter…come the only thing he had going for him was his hieght and Reach advantage and we all saw what Randy did when he neutralized that…Sylvia was beat to shit for 5 rounds by a guy 3/4 of his weight. Seriously WTF…yes Silva in my eyes could be Fedor just like you think Fedor would beat Anyone in the world..LMAO Anyone can be beat but but will it happen now that is the question….Now correct me if i wrong but didnt Anderson Silva step up to 205 to fight twice and did he not dominate them both? Get your facts straight dude and even talking about Lesnar vs Anderson is ridiculous as it wouldnt ever happen and foolish to even consider due to the wieght difference…while Anderson silva can fight at 205 and Fedor is about 220 so thats not to far off but as well that fight will never happen so its stupid to even bring up which i did so end of story on that. i just think its funny that whenver anyone says anything negative about Fedor everyone gets so riled up and has to avenge the world…come on its MMA dont be so stupid and ignorant while Fedor is Great…he is not unbeatable he just has not faced top notch talent in the past few years to be beat…lets see this year or the next 4 fights who he faces and if he wins.
i do agree tim anyone can lose, but anderson has not faced all top comp either and i beleave he only fought at 205 once and it wasn't with a ranked fighter.i would not agrue who is p4p best its all a matter of opinion anderson might be on top right now but he has lost fights before if you look at careers as a whole i would put fedor above him and i think he has fought the tougher fighters.
First off, i only read the first quarter of the discussion because I then got sick to my stomach. Not to mention someone suggesting Fedor as P4P #1 fighter in the world but I'll get to that. BJ Penn and GSP. One of you started listing STATISTICS to determine the P4P rankings. Are you insane or just retarded. It's not like the NFL or NBA where you can determine the MVP. BJ Penn lost 4 times but to who? Jens Pulver during his prime, GSP, Matt Hughes, and frigging Lyoto Machida who I know will be the next champ and P4P king. The lost to GSP and Matt Hughes, he dominated the first round until he ran out of gas. Why? Because he didn't train like a normal fighter. His philosophy back then was if you're a fighter, you're a fighter. Now he knows that he has to work hard and improve on conditioning. Since then, look at what he's done. You can't tell me that GSP is in the #2 spot when he got knocked out by MATT SERRA! I'mma say this again..MATT SERRA!!!! C'mon man, an ultimate fighter COMEBACK winner. Did any of you notice that when GSP came back after that loss, he became a wrestler? WHy? Because he's afraid to get knocked out. He only stands and fights when he's already worn the guy down. What a puss man, I thought his standup was stellar but now he doesn't even have confidence to stand throughout the whole fight. Second of all, you're gonna tell me that Florian who got rocked by Sherk all 5 rounds can beat BJ Penn? Look, I like Florian but he won't be able to take out BJ Penn. He might as well wait it out till BJ moves up to welterweight but then again he still has to beat Sherk who will have the same game plan. Bottom line is that BJ has fought higher quality fighters. GSP beat Matt Hughes on his decline, beat BJ when he wasn't training, avenged the loss to Serra after a year layoff from surgery. Yeah he beat Koscheck and Fitch but I'm not saying GSP is a bum. I'm saying he is overrated. Speaking of overrated, Fedor is the most overrated fighter in history. The guy thinks he's god and keeps talking his trash. I'm getting so tired of this, it's time to put up or shut up. Let's see who he's beaten. Nogeuira, Mirko Cro Cop…..and who? Tim Sylvia? He was going down the P4P rankings until he beat Sylvia, then everyone was on his nut sack again. Yes, the Tim Sylvia who lost to Randy Couture, then Nogeuira, then Fedor. 3 fight losing streak. Sounds like someone on the decline to me. Now he's fighting Arvlovski who I think is a decent fighter but not the top contender. Fedor fans need to STFU and mail him letters begging him to get into the UFC. Cuz if you're not in the UFC you can't be the best P4P fighter because you haven't fought the best in your division.
I'm out
Now David i agree on Fedor being overratted but with all due respect as some people on here have gave me the insight too Not everyone in the UFC is the best although arguably so the UFC is the most anticipated and marketed promotion out there. There are plenty of array of great fighters in other promotions but i do agree that UFC has about 80% of the top talent around the world under contract between the WEC and UFC.
david your funny, i am a big bj fan but come on you make every excuse for his loss's and say since than look what he has done, yeah what beat sherk and joe daddy.sherk was a good win but kenny beat joe even faster and neither one is gsp.yeah tim sucks he only had the ufc belt like 3 times and only lost to coulture,nog,fedor and aa awhile ago probally 4 of the top five hw's, most hw's could not even list half those names on there resume.than you say aa isn't the next contender?well who is than? maybe barnett but aa would be a close 2nd.and please list the hw that has a better resume than fedor and list who he has foughten.
Roy exactly what I was about to say. David this proves how stupid u and everyone that talks shit about fedor really are. Fedor has beat the top guys. Has he beat everyone in the top 10 no. But who has? And everyone that only watches the UFC and knows nothing about everybody else in any other Organization and say they cant be good b/c they dont fight in the UFC. But like roy said the very top HWs in the world are in Affliction right now. #1,2,3 or all there. Fedor will fight AA then probally barnett and after that yeah then he can go to the UFC. But after beating AA and Barnett I would be pretty sure he would be the favorite in any fight against anyone in the UFC. If he isnt already. What is also hilarious is that if Dana White signed Fedor he claim he to be the best fighter of all time and all this and that but since he doesnt have him fighting in the ufc he keeps talking shit and how has fedor ever talked shit? U say he thinks hes GOD and keeps talking his trash. LMAO. Then u got Tim who will say anything to bad mouth Fedor. Like saying Anderson would beat Fedor. HAHA What does that have to do with anything? Like I said TIM would Anderson beat Lesnar? Come on answer it. B/c Fedor has proved in every single fight why he is ranked #1. All u hear is OMG he doesnt always fight the top guys in the world he sucks. He would get beat by anderson, he would lose to Lesnar in 3 yrs just stop saying he would lose. He hasnt yet and he has fought 29 times. Unless u count the cut he got and was given a loss. Which he avenged. Anderson lost to some of those no name type fighters that Fedor has beat everytime. Almost every top guy has losses to ppl who are shitty. U just dont talk about them like Anderson has. But not Fedor. Also Tim pull ur head outta Lesnars ass and stop hating on the guy who u know could rape lesnar. And when did I say that Fedor would beat everyone in the world. U are a dumbass that tries to make shit up to make yourself look better. Like I said before when u and Dane said that Lesnar could beat anyone in the world up and I said that nobody can beat everyone in the world up.
"Fedor is the most overrated fighter in history. " WOW? "The guy thinks he's god and keeps talking his trash. " I really can't get my head around it. I really wish we could get Fedor into the UFC so we could settle all this nonsense. On the other hand, if he were in the UFC we would never see him fight AA or Barnett in 2009. It would almost be worth it to show some of these UFC only fans that maybe there are great fighters out there beyond the UFC and Dana White's little fantasy world. But that would hurt Affliction and I would rather see competition between promotions. The UFC is not big enough for ALL the best fighters in the world. MOST of the best talent is in the UFC now. MMA is bigger than the UFC. Roy put it well. Steve is on point to. Tim also agrees Fedor is the best hvywt today. I just feel bad that some UFC fans cannot see past Zuffa and enjoy the high level mma fighters that go out and compete just as hard and well as their UFC counterparts. Maybe one day we will get to see some co-promoted superfights with the UFC but only if guys like Fedor and AA don't bow down to Dana. I love mma. I love the UFC. I don't have to defend Fedor. His record says it all. Happy New Year guys!!
Well put Fedor24.
David, I agree and disagree. I agree with you about GSP. Everyone says he came back (from his knockout loss to Matt fucking Serra) as a MUCH better fighter, but after that fight, he fought a one dimensional Matt Hughes who was starting his downfall, a Josh Koscheck who tried to standup with GSP, and Jon Fitch, who was an actually high ranked fighter. And Serra again, which took him into the second round, almost the end. He is a great fighter, but I don't think anyone can truely say he is much better, not yet. I do disagree about Fedor. I actually think he lives up to most of the hype, but yeah, some people get crazy and talk shit for him. He is a pretty humble guy though. He is kind of like Kimbo, people create a hype around him, then say he is overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still don't like Kimbo). Tim, you say Steve is hanging on Fedor's nuts. What do you call you with Lesnar? An unhealthy obsession? You always say nothing is personal, but you start name calling. Hmm. I seem to remember you saying that Lesnar is unstoppable.
And if you are trying to determine the #1 pound for pound fighter, they would have to fight, because pound for pound means just that, that is why the rankings are all weights. How else can you truely believe someone is better without seeing them in combat with eachother?
Seriously at least i admit to Lesnar's mistakes and that he needs work i play the MMA game and think things through while most of you just point at records and shit which mean nothing honestly except that you havent faced a fighter that can beat you….FEdor as i have admitted before many times as i know Roy can agree is a great fighter and on his way to creating a lasting legacy in MMA..but he is not unbeatable and No lesnar could not beat Anderson Silva as of today..he is still to yound and inexperienced, what is so wrong with me likeing Lesnar just because i have a wrestling background and we both have served in the military and i met him back in 2000 at J Robinsons wrestling camp, so i see a man who i met and admire for walking into a sport with only 2 years of training at the time and dominating top notch talent? say all you want but i will be the first to admit that Lesnar is still Raw but also possesses RAW talent that the HWGHT division has never seen before…We can disagree and say irrational and harse comments back and forth but the bottom line is you like Fedor and i like Lesnar and the difference between the 2 is years of training and experience…not to mention at least i can admit that Lesnar can be beat while Steve over here is saying Fedor cant be beat…and i am not saying shit to make myself look better as when you talk Fedor like you have in such i high respect manner and practiclly licking his balls…i think its safe to say that you dont think he can be beat. I get it dude your hung on his nuts but fucking admit to MMA knowledge my friend that Fedor can be beat but he is not the top p4p fighter in the world today in my opinion…maybe yours so fine…but Ryan S said the only way we will find out is if the top p4p fighters fight…which will never happen so the ranking will change and the speculation will grow but no one knows for sure….Now i will admit that as of now Fedor is the top HWGHT See i am not afraid or to highon Lesnars per say to admit…so stop with the BS. Lesnar is the future of MMA win or lose wether you like it or not so get used to it…and both have already created lasting legacies in MMA more so Fedor has but Lesnar has as well. Bottom line Fedor is number 1 HWGHT and Lesnar is #4 and i am not unhappy one bit i like both fighters i just think FEdor can be beat and everyone on here talks like he is the GOD of MMA..i just think its funny thats all.
Oh and I dont start the Name Calling…Never…someone always has to start shit….and i did say lesnar is unstoppable but i remember me saying that in a few years 3-5 he could be unstoppable metaphoriclly (cant spell) speaking that is as anyone can lose a fight. And people who need to defend Fedor are stupid bottom line as i dont anyone will disagree that Fedor is a great fighter but i believe the hype is when people start saying shit like no one in the UFC can beat him…etc…and as i said before the UFC has about 80% of the top talent in the world between the WEC and UFC…the other 20 % are under contract with M-1, K-1 Etc…like Fedor, AA, Barnett, Gomi, little Nog, Silva the one that is suspended, etc…Nothing is ever personal with me except when some of you go to the extreme and start key word Start the trash talking..trash talking is alright just dont get personal and call people rash and harsh names or use harsh phrases as it really shows the kind of person you really are someon who will hide behind a computer but when it comes time to throw down they will back down or you just know you can get aways with saying that shit cause no one knows who you really are.
I need to give credit to Roy and Dane Drebin as they have both over the past taught me and made me realize that there is more to MMA than just the UFC and that Fedor really is a great fighter.
And Happy New Years to you all…
Sorry forgot credit to Tom as well…
First off, I didn't insult any of you guys so why start with that shit anyway? Callin me stupid because I disagree with you? Roy, you say you're a BJ Penn fan but yet you back up GSP more than you do BJ Penn. You may like both but we both know which side you're on. Yeah, I'm biased but it's not excuses. It's the facts. If you have been following BJ Penn, you know that he doesn't train his cardio and it shows as early as the 2nd round. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't train hard, most likely you won't win. And no, it doesn't matter if Florian beat Stevenson faster than BJ Penn. Take that and all the statistics and throw them out the window. They both finished him. Just cuz Florian beat Daddy faster doesn't mean that he will dominate BJ Penn. Everyone knows Florian's weakness. A skilled ground guy can get him on his back and it's over. If Florian were to fight Sherk again, everyone here knows Sherk would win.
Back to Fedor and how I think he's overrated. Look when I say overrated, I'm saying that he shouldn't be the #1 P4P King. I know he's good. He's a talented fighter. But the way everyone hypes him up, it's just ridiculous. He doesn't care about being the best, all he cares about is money. He's like the Floyd Mayweather of MMA except that he really doesn't talk shit, his fans do. Which means, you guys, who overrate him and make him look bad. I'd be a Fedor fan too but honestly I don't want to associate myself to his entourage. I'm a fan of fighters who want to fight the best. I can't believe you are talking up Tim Sylvia right now. Yeah he WAS good, I'm just saying he sucks now. Everyone knew that he sucked after he fought Monsoon. Why do you think Randy came back as a HW? Now you are trying to back him up by saying he's a great HW when he fought Fedor because of his resume? You can talk about resumes when the fighter is in his prime, not when he is on the decline. Let's get the facts straight, I'm not a UFC fan, I'm an MMA fan and I call it like I see it. And no, jump off that Afflictiion vs UFC bandwagon. I don't care about that. Fedor knows he had a chance to fight Randy Couture but turned it down cuz he wanted more money and he wanted to compete in his home country's tournament (which he just lost). Do I think Fedor has the talent and ability to be the P4P king? Yes. The only problem is that if he beats AA, and then goes on to Barnett. What then? He won't go to the UFC and fight their HW's. Whether he can beat them or not, we'll just never know and I think Fedor is happy with that. You guys just need to realize that he doesn't care about fighting the best. He cares about fighting quality fighters that will earn him phat check. To be the P4P king, you need to take out the best in your division and then some. And yes when I say Fedor is overrated, it's because you guys place him in the #1 spot after he beat Tim Sylvia. That leap frogs him over Anderson Silva. Even though Silva's recent fights were against guys who are the top contenders in a thin division, Fedor is in a thin division as well. But Anderson Silva knocked out the UFC and Pride Middleweight champs while Fedor has only taken out Tim Sylvia. To be honest, I would rate Fedor higher than BJ Penn because of his resume but I respect Penn for going after the best. Just think about it
I'm going to end with my thoughts on Brock Lesnar. Yes, I was horrified when he knocked out Randy Couture. I think Brock will be a great fighter and a great champ because of his work ethic. Yes I am jumping on the Lesnar bandwagon but as of right now, he needs to improve and he knows that. Yes Fedor can submit him and win that fight and yes I think he got a title shot way too early, and yes I know he has a long way to go. But you have to admit, the guy's got potential. Yes, ppl hype him up but not in a P4P king way. They hype him up because of his size and speed. And yes, I'm starting to get sick of Dana White.
That's my two cents and guys c'mon, we are all MMA fans. You don't have to stoop that low to start insulting each other. Just because I said something about your favorite fighter that pisses you off, doesn't mean that you should just start insulting me. You can talk shit about my boyz BJ Penn, Wanderlei Silva, and Lyoto Machida all you want and I won't stoop that low.
Til next time, put money on CB Dollaway even though I think he's a jerk, he can make you money.
I do realize that I called someone retarded… so I apologize to that person.
mike brown is no champion, just a flash in the pan…can you imagaine how bad he would get beat up if BJ decided to cut an extra 10 pounds?
David I'm the one that you called retarded and I really don't know why. My comments were all objectives and I never said that GSP was a way better fighter than BJ. If you read well I said both fighters are nearly equals and it's hard to determine who is better. To do so I just relied on statistics, and usually statistics don't lie. What did BJ do to prove he deserves to be ahead of GSP? Not much on my opinion. And if you read what I just wrote, I just said ''Not much on MY OPINION''… Unlike you I don't think I have the absolute truth, I just want to prove my point intelligently and with respect!
David…i could not have said it better myself in regards to the BJ Penn,Fedor and Lesnar Statements and i agree about the name calling.
Alex, I'm just saying that you can't use statistics and records to determine who is better in MMA. I mean Randy Couture who was 15-4 at the time became a UFC Hall of Famer. Joe Stevenson currently holds a record of 34-9 but he's not even close to the Hall of Fame. So when you combine records of opponents, it doesn't make sense to me. It only matters who you fight. It doesn't matter who knocked out who faster but it does matter if one person finished an opponent and the other didn't. Bottom line is that if it's that close, you don't need to go to the statistics, we'll see who's better on Jan 31st. I would rather compare abilities than statistics.
You can argue all you want about the rankings and yeah I'll admit, BJ's opponents haven't been impressive. Especially now that Jens and Joe have been gettin whooped. But I'll tell you what BJ has done to prove he's been ahead of GSP. He didn't lose to Matt Serra as a what 11-1 underdog? A guy who's career was basically over until he beat the likes of Shonnie Carter to revive his career on a comeback reality show? GSP lost to Matt Serra man at the top of his game. He just became the champ and couldn't defend it. Yeah he came back in dominated him on the ground but why? I remember GSP being a ruthless standup striker from the start of the bell. Now he just wrestles. You can say he learned from the first Serra fight but I don't like his transformation. He's too scared to stand up and knock people out without wearing them out first. Good strategy and it's a great way to win but IMO, GSP is too good to convert to that. I want him to be that dynamic fighter that made him a fan favorite in the first place. I used to like GSP until he lost to Matt Serra. No, I didn't jump off the bandwagon just because he lost. I didn't like the fact that after he lost, he said he lost fair and square. Then a few months later, he came up with all these excuses on why he didn't win and never gave full credit to Serra for beating him. On top of that, I hang out with a bunch of GSP fans who try so restlessly to erase that loss to Serra and hype him up by saying he's a better fighter after his transformation.
I call it like I see it, it's not the absolute truth, I'm telling you from my perspective and I feel very strong about it. You can't deny many of the points I have made unless you choose to turn the other cheek, or cover it up, which most die hard GSP and Fedor fans do. I understand you want to prove your point but make valid points. You say they are pretty much even but it's obvious that you favor GSP and choose to turn the other cheek. In this case you mentioned that they both finished Matt Hughes. Although it was HARDER for BJ to finish Hughes, he finished him one round earlier. That's exactly why you can't base it on what round they finished them in because there are too many exceptions. GSP avenged his 2 losses against guys who are clearly on the decline and one was to Matt Serra. The other to a man who's lost 3 of his last 4. But then you give full credit to GSP who stopped Sherk one round earlier than BJ. Remember that Sherk is a natural lightweight who had to fight GSP at welterweight. You didn't mention that right? Look man, you can say GSP is #2 and I don't care. I'll even say that BJ belongs at #4 behind Fedor because I know BJ needs to beat GSP to get to #2. But don't come at this by saying stuff like that to prove that GSP is better. If you want my respect, don't turn the other cheek or cover up or erase his blemishes and make valid points.
GSP, like Mayweather says you betta STEP YO GAME UP
good post david, i am a fan of bj's and not a fan of gsp's but i respect his abilities and the only reason i brought up the excuse's your giving for bj is because your bashing one fighter well making excuse for another.i used to hate fedor but because he was so good and a good person i became a fan and i don't think its money he is looking for and i don't think he had much to worry about fighting randy so i dout he ducked him.1 he already has proven himself that its not his fault he beat everyone that was around at the time now there are new fighters out there that will someday pass him but probally not his career as a whole you bring up the ufc but i think we all agree that aa than barnett are the best fights for him right now after that what more does he have to prove?who's in the ufc that he needs to fight?randy?that would have been nice but he lost to lesnar and is only getting older the only other legend there is nog who just lost and fedor already beat so who whould he fight?the only match up left there would be lesnar and that would be great but i don't think it will happen and even if he lost that fight would that erase what he has already done?i don't care about p4p its all a matter of opinion i would probally put bj 1st because he is moving up weights to fight people if gsp beats him and a.silva than he would be #1.oh and i have bj winning that fight but it will be close and it would not surprize me if gsp won.
ps. you did know that bj fought matt serra and it was every close went to decision.
Hey roy to respond to your Fedor post, he is looking for money. The 2 main reasons why he won't go to the UFC is because he wants to be paid a million per fight, just like Randy did. He also wants to compete in his home country's tournament but he would give that up if the UFC paid him the million but they won't. If you claim that Fedor isn't looking for money, what is he looking for? I can tell you that he's not wanting to fight the best. Sure AA and Barnett are good but they weren't even in line for a title shot when they quit the UFC. If he really wanted to fight the best then he would have signed on to fight Randy when he was still the champ. He may of won it but we'll never know now because the fight isn't going to happen. And now that Brock beat Randy, everyone is saying oh Fedor would have won. He's just sitting back and watch his best competition get taken out while he sits there and fights the safe fights where he is a 10 to 1 favorite. Fedor is finally getting a quality fighter in AA after what 2 years? I can't believe he signed on to fight Lindland who is a natural middleweight then Tim Sylvia, a guy cut by the UFC. Maybe he can fight Werdum next because he's not with the UFC anymore either. What I'm saying is that the UFC although thin at HW still has the top contenders. I know Fedor is a nice guy and that's why I like the guy. But I don't respect him because he's not out to fight the best, and he's proven that over the past 2 years. They are just gonna wait until the UFC cuts HW so that Fedor can fight. If he wants my respect, he needs to be hungry and do anything it takes to fight the top contenders, and at that time it was Randy Couture. I'm not saying he ducked Randy, I'm saying that even though he knew at that time, Randy was the top contender to take down the Last Emperor, he didn't take it. Why? Because of money. I mean look at Kenny Florian, he is out to fight the best and he didn't wait around for BJ and still fought, yet the guy barely makes what is it 80 G's? I forget..so correct me if I'm wrong. Then take a look at BJ Penn. He said he wanted GSP years ago. Dana said well take out the lightweight division. Fast foward and here we are. BJ gets exactly what he wanted to fight the #2 P4P champ and he's moving up in weight to do so. Fedor does not have that type of ambition and all the Fedor fans will soon realize it They are even talking about starting a reality HW tournament show to see how can take down Fedor! C'mon man, if that doesn't make you sick, I don't know how blind you guys can be. If he goes over and takes out the UFC HW division which should be a walk in the park for him, then I would bow down and say he's the best fighter in the history of MMA, next to Royce Gracie. But in all reality, he won't and will retire and his fans will still say he coulda woulda and shoulda beat the best during his time.
Yes BJ did fight a close decision to Matt Serra. Serra was in his prime, or around it at that time, not a TUF Comeback winner. Just take a look at his body and you can tell there is a massive difference. He actually had abs, was toned and conditioned, compared to a bulky Serra now. GSP then avenged his lost and keep in mind that GSP took out 2 guys while Serra was nursing a herniated disc. I'm not saying Serra will ever beat GSP again, but shit he wasn't suppose to either. I may be biased because I had 20 bucks on Serra just for fun when I was in Vegas because he was such a huge underdog. I love rooting for the underdogs and I hate it when some fan favorites are talked up so much. For me to root for a favorite, I would have had to follow him in the beginning. In this case I root for BJ Penn, Wanderlei Silva, Lyoto Machida and yes Manny Pacquiao.
Whether or not BJ wins or loses, he gave it his best shot and went out of his way to get this fight. You can't say that about most fighters out there, and yes I'm talking to you Fedor.
Yeah i hate to say it but every fighter out there including Fedor is looking for who will pay them the most money and the incentives along with it. Fedor turned down the UFC due to the so called restrictive contracts which to me a contract is suppost to be rescrictive and the only reason why other promotions dont have exclusive contracts is because they cant afford to keep the fighters under contract meaning insurance reasons, medical etc…and flat out pay…the UFC is the top dog in MMA no doubt but it is missing a few of the sports best fighters but they haveunder contract about 80% of the best fighters. Secondly Fedor wanted a million per fight and no less plus paperview bonuses etc…come one who is the greedy one…Fedor or Dana….no fighter in the UFC has a base pay of 1 mil plus bonuses. Randy has a base pay of 200K per fight base plus a 200K win bonus i believe so thats 400K with a Win, then he also has bonuses for paperview buys…last figt with Lesnar he made 2.6Mil and Lesnar gets 250Kbase plus a 200K win bonus so thats 450 if he wins plus bonuses..he made like 2.2 Mil for the Randy Fight. So what i am saying is Fedor could make millions in the UFC he just cant be so greedy as what brok off the arrangements were that he wanted a base 1 mil per fight plus a win bonus plus paperview bonuses….come on even Dana isnt a fool to fall for that especially since no other fighter comes close to those stats. Fedor doesnt even get bonuses in Affliction or M-1 he gets like 1 Mil per fight or so…so i dont understand what the beef is with not signing with the UFC oh wait its the whole exclusive fight contract…
While i understand the concept of fight where you want and agree with some none exclusive fights the level of where the UFC is makes it more of a business decison than personal as the UFC has to think about protecting its rights to making money on marketing and video libraries etc…do you know that every fight thats on Affliction the UFC if it wanted to could use that footage and show it on its networks…but affliction wont pay the marketing nad copyright tabs nor do they own the exclusive rights to Fedor and his fights so he can fight with them or anyone else…thats losing money for Affliction and other promotions but honestly they cant afford to pay for all those rights and regulation taxes etc…but the UFC can and is only protecting their rights as a promotion to exclusivity to their fighters fights.
Fedor and Randy tried to make that fight happen. The UFC won't co-promote. For money. Fedor has and will continue to fight the best fighters available to him. Right now the UFC won't co-promote. Over money. Fedor has never ducked anyone. He is fighting AA and Barnett. 2 former UFC champions in 2009. I agree its all the money. Fedor wants a million and so did Randy. Fedor isn't over 40 and on the clock like Randy was. It was the UFC lawsuit that kept us from seeing that fight. If the UFC can't afford Fedor then so be it. He is still the best heavy on the planet. Greedy or not. lol
david what are you talking about you lost alot of credility with that last comment, barnett and aa where not in line for a title? barnett had the title when he left and has always been a top 5 hw his whole career aa would have been up for the title but left the company he was not dropped he left! they are the 2 best hw's outside of fedor who is he ducking how is he looking for easy fights fighting these guys your crazy and don't know what your talking about. than you bring up werdum? yeah that would be great he lost his last fight and before that he was supposed to get next shot at the ufc title he talked shit and they used that loss as a excuse to cut him, are you saying werdum is not a top 10 hw? or that he sucks?as far as the money the ufc offered him more money than anyone dana already said this sorry if fedor dosn't have to bow down to dana and fight for the ufc and again he already proved himself he can retire right now and who would of had a better career than him at hw? please name the better hw's with better careers that fought the better fighters. you make no sense yeah fedor is ducking real compition instead he is fighting aa and barnett! LOL
PS. alot of fighter are making a million plus per fight in the ufc randy,lesnar,chuck,hughes and tito and others.the top guys get 250-500 to fight plus win bonus and a ppv cut.the ufc would be happy to pay fedor a million plus to fight there its not the money.
No offense but i just said that….and again Fedor wanted with UFC 1mil per fight as his base pay on top of win bonus and paperview cuts…the man is greedy and insane and that and the exclusive fight the UFC has is the other so its two sided… Sure Fedor could of signed a one fight deal with the UFC to fight Randy at the time but due to the court battles and money litigations and exclusive contracts rights…it just didnt happen and as i say it wasnt meant to be. But still Fedor is the best for now…there is always someone better than you….Always.
AA and Barnett are top level Talent and i am sure that Fedor will beat them both but dont be surprised if he does not.
Tim, I didn't say what I said to insult you, but you always say people like Steve are "on Fedor's nuts" or sukcing them or something. But you get that way with Lesnar too, and you say things like he will walk through Mir. When someone tries to disagree with you, you just say how great Lesnar is. Mir beat him once, it can happen again, just like Lesnar can also win it. Both of them can completely capitalize based off of one of the other's mistakes. That's what can happen in EVERY fight. Thats all I will say. I'm done. This is stupid and it always ends the same way.
Fedor wanted with UFC 1mil per fight as his base pay on top of win bonus and paperview cuts…the man is greedy and insane
i have heard alot back and forth on this but i reall don't think we know the truth, if you have seen the contract or have a credible source please share it.i am sure fedor asked for alot of money because he is in a postion where he can, just like lesnar getting payed with no experience but i have heard dana say that he offered fedor more than anyone and he still didn't sign so it was not about money.
AA and Barnett are top level Talent and i am sure that Fedor will beat them both but dont be surprised if he does not.
i agree tim they are the 2 best hw's outside of fedor and either one could win, i have always thought barnett would be the one to give him a loss but i am looking forward to theese fights and don't care who wins.
Roy let's back up a bit here. You are saying that I don't know what I'm talking about but let's take a look at this. We are talking about AA and Barnett not being in line for the title . Let's start with AA. I like him, I like him a lot, and love the fangs but he wasn't in line for the title when he left the UFC. Yeah he had won 3 straight and was making a comeback with back to back losses to Sylvia but they had other fighters in mind. After Randy won the belt, they wanted Mirko Cro Cop to fight Randy except Gonzaga put his bid in when he beat Cro Cop. Not to mention that they just signed Big Nog to the UFC. In addition Brandon Vera was a contender before his managerial dispute. AA was probably 3rd or even 4th in line for the title. AA was still with the UFC up until March of 08 when he fought Jake O Brien. Well they had an INTERIM HW match between Big Nog and Tim Sylvia a month before. Not to mention Frank Mir had just submitted Brock Lesnar. SO yeah, he WASN"T in line for the title. He needed another win or 2 before he was even considered for a title fight.
Let's go to Barnett. Yeah he was the HW champ when he left but you left out the part where he was tested posiive for steroids and was stripped of the belt. TO me, that's cheating and you can't be considered the champ if you use steroids, allegedly. He then went on to Pride and had a great run, that is until he ran into Cro Cop and Big Nog in 2006. Then he took a 2 year break man and came back against Yoshida and who? Monsoon? The guy Tim Sylvia beat so bad that he left the UFC? So how can you say that Barnett was in line for a title fight even in Pride when he lost to Big Nog. He wasn't even in line to fight Fedor for the belt!
Look I'm not denying they are great fighters and probably the top 10 possibly top 5 HW's. I'm not saying that Fedor is ducking any opponent. Let me make this shit clear, Fedor isn't ducking but he's not going out there and stating that he wants to fight the best either. But we do know, as Tim clearly elaborated, it's about money. I mean now he is getting quality opponents because they aren't in the UFC anymore but what did he do when Pride was bought by the UFC? He went on to fight Matt Lindland, a middle weight. His next opponent…a kickboxing champ in his 2nd MMA career fight in Hong Man Choi. Yeah Werdum is good and he was in line for a title but he just got knocked out by a guy making his UFC DEBUT MAN! You kno that unless you have been a top dog in the UFC, a lost is a big hit on your road to a title shot. Fighters would have to fight maybe 4, 5 or even 6 fights before they are even considered. JUst look at Florian.
So before you open your mouth and say that I don't know what I'm talking about, make sure you know your history and while you're at it, make sure you are interpreting my comments right. You go on and put words in my mouth by saying that I don't think Barnett and AA are good fighters. They are great fighters, and yeah they can be a top 5 HW but what I simply said was that they weren't even in line for a title shot. And they weren't. If you are the P4P King and best HW on earth, wouldn't you want to fight the #2 best HW on earth? Just sayin
And I can't believe you went back to saying that Barnett was the champ (2002) and we are in the year 2009 and even then he got stripped for using steroids…allegedly but he's still a great fighter and a top 6 HW now. I don't know if I'd place him at #3 after Mir's strong showing against Big Nog and Lesnar, who I think are better competitiors than Barnett's last 3 with the exception of Rizzo. But taking out Big Nog like that should have leaped frogged him over Barnett but only time will tell.
Thanks Tim for your input and elaboration.
By the way, I'm gonna be rooting for Arvlovski and I hope he comes back to the UFC to dominate because I do think he has what it takes, especially under the supervision of Freddy Roach.
dude david i dont know where u get ur facts but they were bypassing arlovski because he wasnt resigning his contract with the ufc. they put him against o'brien because he wouldnt sign a new contract thats why they put him on the undercard. he had a lot more wins than mir did. you better believe if he would have been danas bitch like most fighters that he would be one of the top contenders for the title. he prolly would have faught nog for the interum title. he is a lot more marketable and liked than sylvia.
The difference between me liking Lesnar is that i can admit to his faults and that he can and will likly lose again sometime…but most of you are so hyped and hung up on Fedor like he cant be beat its kinda sick…thats all i am saying.
I have to admit Tim I have my favorites but you seem to take it to a pretty big extreme with Lesnar whom I happen to root for myself. Nothing wrong with being a loyal fan but sometimes I think everyones getting at that you walk the line of creepy
david you seem to keep changing your tune or i am missunderstanding your comments.i know all these thing you say but don't agree with how you put them all.and aa was sidelined for a year before they put him on the undercard for not resigning.either way at first you where acting like he did not want to face the best when he pretty much is facing the best hw's. i am not sure about mir, one i thought he sucked until his win over nog he really had done nothing other than beat tim, nog was sick but it was still impressive but i will wait and see how good he real is i dout that he will beat lesnar and after he loses that fight i wonder if he will beat any other top ufc hw, he is not close to barnett imo.
here is a great new interview with fedor, he says he would fight a.silva if thats what the fans wanted.
Dane, whether he's dana's bitch or not, my facts are still straight. I had previously said that he wasn't in line for a title shot. And he wasn't. You can sit there and say Oh he did deserve one or not but the truth is, now you are just getting into what if's. What if he stuck with the ufc? what if he was dana's pet dog? what if???? Dude don't even go there. I get my facts from watching MMA and the same sources as all of you. You guys just tend to dabble in the what if gray areas too much. What if Randy and Fedor fought, oh yea Fedor would win cuz he just got knocked out by Lesnar. What if AA fought Big Nog, oh yea AA woulda won cuz Mir just knocked him out and AA has better stand up. IT's all what if's, shoulda, woulda coulda about you guys. I give you guys straight facts, and then you try to twist and turn it around by saying if he did this, and if he did that. Drop your bias, get reality checks, and come at me with something I don't know.
david you had some good post, than you drop that last one it was weak.
Speaking of overrated, Fedor is the most overrated fighter in history. The guy thinks he's god and keeps talking his trash.
thats from you please show me a interview where he talks shit or acts like he is god.
Drop your bias, get reality checks
Yeah, I'm biased but it's not excuses.
witch is it?
Roy my rap has been the same since the beginning so I don't know how you can misunderstand me. Let me help you make this clear. Only now, can you Fedor fans say that he is fighting top 5 HW's. Why? Because he basically just waited for everything to unravel. Randy lost and Big Nog who were both ahead of Barnett and AA. But since they lost, those 2 leap frogged to the #2 and #3 rankings. How can you explain the P4P king to fight someone who is TWO weight classes lower and then a guy who's fighting his 2nd career mma fight? You can say that Barnett is a better fighter than Mir, but just remember, he was the champ and beat Sylvia during his prime. He only lost his belt because he got into a motorcycle accident, not tested for steroids. He came back and lost to Brandon Vera who had a different mentality back then and was undefeated. In addition, he demolished the guy who just beat Barnett. Big Nog was sick, but do you really think that things would have gone different? No, Mir had the perfect game plan and respected Big Nog's BJJ. He found a weakness int he stand up game and exploited it. Besides Fedor being the #1 HW, the rankings 2 – 6, you can make an argument for anyone of them. It's just a matter of your biased opinion. Look, I like AA and Barnett for making the move to Affliction so that they can fight Fedor. I respect that a lot. Along with money, they wanted to fight the #1 HW in the world. Why did they have to move? Because Fedor was too stubborn to sign with the UFC, where at the time, the best HW's in the world were except for Barnett who signed with the Japan inc.
Bottom line, and I want to make myself clear. This is about Fedor, it's not about AA, or Barnett, or any other HW. It's about Fedor. I like the guy, he looks invincible. The reason why I can't respect him is because he doesn't care about fighting the best, and yes Im talking about his 2 fights after pride. Not a single one of you can explain why he was taking those guys out while other HW's were hungry. I don't know how you can respect a guy that knows if he would have fought Randy, it would be one of the most anticipated bouts in MMA history. Don't tell me you're sore about the UFC not co-promoting. That's like asking Mickey D's to promote a value meal where you (the upcoming burger joint) have the best waffle fries in the world and you want to pair it with their big mac. Fedor had a chance to sign with the UFC but he didn't. Instead, he signed with a new company in Affliction, and so begins the best HW fight in MMA history NOT to happen. Now he is fighting the best HW's cuz the guys in front of them just lost to higher quality opponents. Fedor is just waiting for guys to come over and take him out. He's NOT looking for them, and that's what I don't like and what you all fail to realize. Let me bring back the example of BJ Penn.
BJ Penn: I want to fight the best, and he is GSP
Dana: No, go back down to lightweight and take out the division.
BJ Penn: Ok
Fast foward
BJ Penn: I took out the best in the lightweight division so now I want GSP, and I dont giva shit, i'll move up to 170lbs again. Oh yeah and while you're at it, if you want me to fight Kimbo then I'm game even though he sucks but I just want to shut up the Elite XC folks
Look, I'm done with this. I'm just gonna leave you guys with your biased opinions. I think I've read enough to know that you guys are beyond saving. So I'mma sit back and enjoy this new year. Have a safe one guys.
i am not biased and i don't need you to save me, but thanks for caring.
1. i hated fedor and always rooted for him to lose in pride, i have come to respect him as the best hw out there though.
2.i don't care about p4p it means nothing to me and i don't care where people want to place fighters on this fantasy list, its all just for fun.
3.after pride he fought lindland-i would say props to lindland for trying to challenge himself and he looked for that fight and fedor wasn't going to turn it down.the hong man choi fight had was for the japanese fans who love the freakshow fights so he did it.i bet choi could beat a few of the ufc hw's.
4.you say randy was ahead of barnett?how by losing to him or beating 2 guys after getting knocked out.also nog didn't destroy barnett and barnett has a win over nog as well.
5.mir? great win over nog you can't take that from him but i don't think he will beat anyone else that is significant and barnett is far better than him.
6. talk about biased i am not a fedor nutthugger i can just credit where it is do, but talk about a typical fedor hater and it you, stop being so biased you come with some good things you should just let the hate go.
Roy i completely agree on every level that you state here….it was you who opened up my eyes to how great a fighter Fedor really is…its like the man is an animal and literally stalks his prey…and stunns his oppenants and than capitalizes on them with G&P or Subs…the man is a methodical beast…but eventually the hunter becomes the prey its just how the food chain works.
Regarding Lesnar and how some of you think im a little nuts about him…well first off i have a great deal of respect for him for what he has accomplished both past and present, the man is a superb athlete with Raw skills and overwelming abilities where the sky is the limit for him. The main reason i talk so highly on him is because i actually met the man as i have said before back in 99-2000 during J robinsons wrestling camp in Minnesota…so off the bat when i heard he was going into MMA i was like damn i met that guy…i want to see him succeed and i know what type of person he is and the raw natural talent he has to basically succeed at anything he puts his mind to…Not to mention and yes i will admit i watched him during his WWE days as well so i wanted see for myself if he could make the transition from and entertainer to professional Fighter and athlete once again. So if you cant understand that so what i dont care….say what you want but i admire and respect the man for what he has accomplished throughout his career…even Barnett in an article on Sherdog stated he respects Lesnar for his abilities and that he deserves everything great that comes to him in MMA even the title. Even though he got a shot at it early he still earned it. But at first i need to make a strong case for him as many of you didnt think he was cut out for MMA or could hang with the big boys per say…well now that has been answered i can back up and play the MMA game and get real with the future…Lesnar has along way to go and we all know his raw abilites and to me its exciting to see a man i met in the sport that i love watching….MMA…as well as having a similar background in wrestling and the military.
Now Fedor is a class act, never have i seen or heard an interview with him disgracing another fighter or saying he was the best and if i recall was it not Fedor himself that said he isnt the best P4P fighter in the world…being humble maybe but Roy said the P4P fight ranking mean nothing and there are just for fun. Its Fedor's fans that over rate him into this so called God of MMA. I am sure not one of them but i do respect the man for his abilities and what he has accomplished in his MMA and Sambo and overall fight career.
thanks tim, i have learned from you and the others here as well, i love debating here and hearing other peoples side of things and i have been wrong plenty of times. you don't have to justify you liking lesnar tim i like people that are loyal fans and not just bandwagon followersi had my douts about lesnar but he has answered them with every fight so far, yes some day fedor wil get beat and some one will pass him it might be aa or barnett but even if he gets past them some one else will try to step up.if lesanr sticks with mma for the rest of his athletic career who knows how far he will go maybe even the best ufc hw ever.i like the fighters that i like win or lose i am a fan.
good arguement.
Thanks Roy I agree and as well i am a fan for life win or lose on the fighters that i like.
All I have to say is fuck the Lesnar fans because they are all stupid and they should not….blah blah blah. HA! You probably clicked on this because you saw that first part in the recent comments. I'm just kidding. With his size and athletic ability, when Lesnar becomes more well rounded, I will probably become a fan. I like pretty much all the well rounded fighters because I think they are fun to watch. This is all stupid. We are all biting eachother's heads off for being fans. I'm a fedor fan. Steve is a Fedor fan. Tim is a Lesnar fan. Of course our opinions will clash. I try to take nothing away from Lesnar though. I do think he has tremendous potential, possibly more than anyone in the sport (arguably). When Fedor loses I will still be a fan. I don't look at any other MMA site because I think they are all trash and I like debating with the same guys over and over again. I say lets not jump the gun. Lesnar has Mir first. After that who knows. There are many fights that tickle my fancy, especially with Lesnar as he evolves into a more well rounded fighter.
well said ryan


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This review is from: LG EB2442T-BN Black 24" 5ms Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 DFC 5M:1 (1000:1)
Pros: Nice Look, Good Picture
Cons: So Many problems, there is no warranty with LG, yes no warranty with LG, they will just scrow you over and over again and again! I got $5k gaming/workstation system, all high-end parts, and I got 3 of these LG Led's, after 8 months there is a white spots start to show in all of them, one of them start to blink sometimes, I contact the warranty they took all the info's they need and they said they gonna email me the shipping labels, I got them later and shipped only 1 (smart move), after 10 days they send me another unit, that one has even a bigger white spot! so I contact them again, and the super visor was like "am not gonna keep handing leds for you!" like its my fault they send me unit with bigger problem! after that he is like "you know what! I think we don't cover your led!!" o.O! after 58 min call! and sending him pictures, and tested the led on 3 different PCs while he is with me on the line, he said he gonna change it, guess what, after another 10 days, I got one 10 times worse, the white is blue! you cant read any text, so fussy, almost dead led, also got power supply problem, so I contact them again! sending them 7 pictures! and they said they are sorry, they will replace it with new or give me refund! because so many problems with my case, guess what! after 10 days, I got the exact same unit I sent in the first time but they messed up the box ! (yeah same SN), So I contact them again, (and the funny thing they seems so shocked! they always says "we have LED professionals in our warehouse who test the leds in 4 stages before they pass it out to the costumers!") , anyway they put me on hold 20 mins, and they said they are sorry they couldn't reach the warehouse super visor or his assistance (maybe that's why? they are always not there? ), and they gonna contact me ASAP, and now its 2 weeks am waiting! so please do yourself a favor and don't buy anything LG, maybe their things are nice sometimes but they have no warranty at all! now selling all my LG products and printing out this story with pictures and emails from them, for another costumers to know what they are getting! cheap trash!
Other Thoughts: Pay more for Sony or others brands and get a better warranty, and products last longer, these lg leds wont last a year without problems, and when it does, just throw it in the trash because you have no warranty!READ FULL REVIEW
This review is from: Arctic Cooling P253BT Bluetooth Headphones with Mic
Pros: Nice quality, Good Mic, the best battery on this thing!
I used it since I got it like 10 times, each time I use it for 4 hours, and still didnt charge this thing yet >_<! lol
Cons: I emailed the rebate before the last day, but they didn't accept itREAD FULL REVIEW
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I am 38 y/o and this will be baby #3 for me. It's been a rough pregnancy to say the least, and my OB is constantly reminding me that I am "elderly" to be having another baby. But... i beg to differ !!! My birth will be a scheduled c section due to previous c section . With c/s #1 it was an emergency situation, and I had the epidural. Not a very good experience. I could feel a lot of things and uncontrolable shaking. I am considering the spinal since this will be planned. I have heard from multiple ppl that you can't feel yourself breathing, I have a lot of anxiety about that, and am nervous. Do they give you anything to help relax you before the procedure ?
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#1 was general anesthesia (I was in Korea, and it's more common there).
#2 was a spinal, but I was already in labor. I had the awful shaking, then, too like you did.
#3 waited until her scheduled time. I had a spinal again. No shaking. I think labor may have more to do with the shaking than the anesthesia (hormones, exhaustion, pain, dehydration, who knows?).
I did not have any weird breathing issues. The actual procedure for my two with spinal were quick and easy, and recovery was easy, too. Breastfeeding right away, and I only spent one night at the hospital for the last one.
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I had a spinal both times. Didn't feel anything. I get itchy from anethstesia and always puke afterwards (counting my 2 c/s, I've had 4 surgeries). But I can't say that was spinal related since I didn't have a spinal in my other 2 surgeries. I've heard alot of people say that they felt things with the epidural. But I can say with the spinal, I didn't have that issue. I felt nothing.
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#1 I had the epidural, which was not working when we got into the ER and I ended up doing it with general.
#2 I was very nervous about the spinal, but it wasn't bad at all. It was scheduled and very easy.
#3 was also a spinal with no issues.
I agree with pp, tell your doctor to stuff it about your age! I was 37 with number one and 39 with number.
Number one was am emergency c after 18 hours of labor, about 14 of that I had an epidural and it had worn off. They had a hard time placing it an I didn't want them to do it again. The effects of it lasted way way way too long. I wound up having to be knocked out for the actual surgery and something like twelve hours later I still couldn't feel my legs.
Number two was a planned c, with a spinal this time. The spinal was much easier for them to place - the needle is smaller - with an epidural they also have to place a catheter and the needle if I understand correctly, so with a spinal it's just a needle. And you are either numb or not. The effects were much less, I had no problems breathing and the numbness wore off gradually with my toes being numb about six hours later. Much more comfortable. I think the stories about people not being able to breathe or feel their lungs is if the spinal is placed too high. But if you have an anesthesiologist who knows their stuff that won't be an issue.
Personally knowing what I know now, I would choose the spinal.
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03.06.05 - Joan Guzman, W.B.O. Super Bantamweight Champion, and his New York based Manager Jose Nuñez, were far from impressed with I.B.F. Junior Featherweight Champion Israel Vazquezs performance on Tuesday night. After Vazquez won a closer than necessary decision victory over journey man Armando Guerrero, Guzman and Nuñez presented a bold challenge to the Mexican gladiator..
I am tired of hearing this guy say he wants to unify the Junior Featherweight Championship. Joan is here and has been here for over one year. Vazquez and Guzman share the same promoter, Sycuan Ringside Promotions, noted Nuñez.
If a unification bout does not come to pass between Vazquez and Nuñez, I put the blame all on Vazquez and his manager, Frank Espinoza.
Though Guzman was scheduled to watch the bout between Vazquez and Guerrero in person, he was unable to travel to Chicago due to last minute personal reasons.
Guzman did share these words, For over a year, I have been calling out Vazquez, I am just waiting for him to step up to bat. A bout between Vazquez and me would be a true treat for the fans.
A much less diplomatic Nuñez closed with the following statement.
I am sure and have been sure for well over a year that Guzman would kick Vazquezs ass. That being said, Guzman and I are willing to bet $50,000 dollars against Vazquez and his manager Espinoza.
Make the fight happen Israel. Make it happen Frank. If the fights never gets done, you guys punked out. Put $50,000 on the line against our $50,000 and let the fans see who the true champion is at one hundred and twenty-two pounds!
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Kareena Kapoor has featured on the cover of the movie magazine Filmfare almost 20 times, and she has also won six Filmfare awards - but she says any association with the brand is never enough.
Kareena also graces the cover of the latest edition of the magazine.
"I would like to thank the entire team of Filmfare for having me on this reinvented Filmfare cover for 19th or 20th time. But it's just never enough," the 32-year-old said here at the launch of the new magazine.
"It's never enough to be on a Filmfare cover and it's never enough to have Filmfare awards. There are two things that every (Indian) actor or actress wants," she added.
The new Filmfare packs in fashion, lifestyle and luxury besides the routine film news, gossip and interviews.
Kareena hopes to feature on many more Filmfare covers, even when she is 60.
"I hope I can always be on the Filmfare cover, even when I am 60 with all my wrinkles, hopefully no botox! I would still want to be on the Filmfare cover like I was when I was a six-year-old child," Kareena said.
The actress' next film is the Karan Johar production "Gori Tere Pyaar Mein".
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There are at least two plausible introduction scenarios. One scenario posits a northward migration of the common morning glory along with maize culture over 1,000 years ago. A second scenario posits an introduction of the common morning glory into the southeastern U.S. by European settlers of this region as a horticultural plant. The genetic evidence points to a strong founder effect associated with the introduction of the common morning glory into the southeastern U.S. Maize does not appear to have experienced so extreme a founder effect, and it is not obvious why the two species would experience different population restrictions during a common migration process, so we regard the first scenario as less likely. Under either scenario, we may regard the southeastern U.S. populations as a crude series of experiments in the microevolution of flower color determining genes.
Epperson and Clegg (1986) conducted geographic surveys of flower color variation within the southeastern U.S. at three different spatial scales. The smallest spatial scale (the intrapopulation scale) was analyzed via spatial autocorrelation statistics (Sokal and Oden, 1978); second, the sub regional scale (defined as local populations that range from 0.8 to 32 km apart) was analyzed via gene frequency distances between populations (Nei, 1972); and third, the regional scale ranging from 80 to 560 km between populations, and including much of the southeastern U.S., was also analyzed by using genetic distance statistics. A strong result of these analyses is that there is no correlation between genetic distance and geographic distance at subregional or regional scales for either the W/w or the P/p loci. Populations separated by a few kilometers are as differentiated from one another with respect to the P/p and W/w flower color determining loci as those separated by hundreds of kilometers. Such a pattern is consistent with the hypothesis that the flower color variants were randomly introduced into multiple locations in the southeastern U.S. Analyses of spatial distributions within local populations led to two major conclusions: first, spatial autocorrelation statistics were heterogeneous between the W/w and P/p loci within the same local populations; and, second, analyses of spatial correlograms for the P/p locus revealed genetic neighborhood sizes consistent with an isolation-by-distance model of population structure (Epperson and Clegg, 1986). We begin by elaborating on the second conclusion; we then turn to the importance of the first conclusion in establishing that the W/w locus is subject to selection within local populations.
For clarity, it is useful to review a few elementary definitions in spatial statistics. A spatial autocorrelation measures the correlation in state of a system at two points that are separated by x distance units. For example, in the common morning glory case, the state may be the flower color determined by the P/p locus x distance units apart. The autocorrelation is


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Fieldbus Foundation remains at the forefront of industry efforts to ease integration of multiple industrial communication protocols. At the end of November it was reported that specifications for HART and WirelessHART transducer blocks had been added to the latest Foundation Fieldbus technical specifications. This step reportedly enables full integration of HART and WirelessHART device information, including device diagnostics, into a Foundation for ROM (remote operations management) system.
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