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George M. Wells of Johnsburgh is ill with quinsy. Mrs. Kate Hill of Friends Lake is ill with typhoid fever. Harry Parker of Friends Lake has been away for two years and has returned home. He did not lose his whistle while traveling.
Oliver Hammond, 63, died at his home at Diamond Point on Sunday, Nov. 24, 1912. He leaves a widow, one sister, Mrs. Winchip and a brother, Eugene Hammond.
Enos Perry of Chestertown died Monday morning, Dec. 2, 1912 after a long illness at his home on North Main Street. He leaves a widow and one son. Burial was in the Chester Rural Cemetery.
Charles Jones of Landon Hill, Chestertown and Carrie Flewelling of Minerva, were united in marriage on Nov. 27, 1912 by the Rev. Bert S. Van Vleet at the Baptist parsonage in North Chester.
D.B. Jenks of Landon Hill, Pottersville butchered two fine hogs on Friday, Nov. 29, 1912, one weighing 390 pounds and the other, 419 pounds. F.E. Shaw butchered one weighing 334 pounds.
Some young men of Athol, working on the theory that competition is the only way to bring down prices, have opened an up-to-date department store under the firm name of Goodman & Pasco there.
In Johnsburgh Corners, there has been nice sleighing the past week but the rain on Monday, Dec. 2, 1912 has changed things. Sam Balcom is removing an old land mark known as the Mack house. Jabez Waddell has moved his family to his new farm on Elm Hill which he bought from Walter Whittemore. The remains of Mrs. Daniel Carey of Glens Falls, former resident and daughter of George Hewitt, were brought here Thursday, Nov. 28, 1912 and buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery.
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The Sedalia Bombers and Ozark Generals went back and forth Sunday night at Dey Field at Liberty Park, but a wild pitch in the ninth inning ultimately gave the Bombers a 7-6 win.
The Bombers took a 6-4 lead into the top of the eighth, but Spencer Blacksher cranked a home run to center field to get Ozark within a run. The Generals tied it up in the ninth on a sacrifice bunt, but the Bombers weren't planning on extra innings.
Jess Cartner singled to lead off the bottom of the ninth and got to third on a sacrifice bunt and a sacrifice fly. The bases were loaded up after Hunter Leeper was intentionally walked and Jerrod Perry walked.
Alex Bee came to the plate, but stepped out of the way after a wild pitch and Cartner scored the winning run.
"They hit the ball, we hit the ball," said Bombers manager Jud Kindle. "We did just enough to get the job done."
Tyler Tuepker pitched the first six innings, allowing four runs on eight hits. He pitched 1-2-3 innings in the first and fourth.
Tony Forcelledo pitched a scoreless seventh, but Dalton Christian gave up a home run in the eighth and Brian Reed walked two and allowed a run in the ninth.
"He's our go-to guy at the end of the game and he'll still be our go-to guy at the end of the game," Kindle said about Reed. "It's just one of those things where he's got to have the confidence to go out and throw strikes."
After Christian allowed the home run, he got two of the next three batters out. Reed struck out Blacksher to get out of the ninth.
Bee commanded things behind the plate and threw out two Generals at second base on steal attempts.
"They wanted to run so we took advantage of that," Bee said. "Good defense tonight. Two errors, but all in all a good game for us."
Bee also keyed on the Generals' baserunning strategy. In the sixth inning, Bee threw to second base to catch a runner stealing, but Tony Sandifer threw the ball back home when the runner at first stopped. Bee easily tagged out the runner attempting to score.
"They like to do that steal and stop," Bee said. "We played that perfectly. We talked right before they did it. Throw through and if he runs then we'll just get him out at home. That's exactly what we did."
There were five lead changes in the game. The Bombers scored once in the second inning, but the Generals took a 2-1 lead in the third.
Trey Hair attempted to tie the game up in the fourth inning, but was out at home after trying to take two bases on a passed ball. Hair led off the inning with a single and steal.
But the Bombers did take the lead in the fifth inning. With runners on the corners, Shain Showers singled to center to bring in Jonathan Ramon. Hair's single to left scored Cartner to give the Bombers a 3-2 lead.
The Generals took the lead in the top of the sixth, but the Bombers scored three in the bottom half to go up 6-4. Ozark scored the next two, but the Bombers walked off with the win to improve to 20-9.
The Bombers will attempt to win their third in a row when they host the Nevada Griffons at 7 p.m. today.


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The next several pages will allow you to examine the texture filtering quality of the 65.76 driver. Under OpenGL, Doom 3 is being used, which offers application controlled texture filtering and allows comparative images to be captured from a consistent position. This capability is important in conducting a proper image quality analysis and was accomplished by loading a saved game. After a saved game is loaded in Doom 3, the player always begins play at the same position.
Darkness dominates in Doom 3, but there are areas with enough light that make them useful for comparing image quality. The three comparative scenes that are being used in this article were captured with the high quality image setting enabled in the driver control panel.
The high quality image setting provides the best texture filtering quality although it does not make use of the adaptive texture filtering capabilities of the GeForce 6 Series graphics processing unit. When the high quality image setting is selected in the driver control panel, all optimization settings are forced to off and cannot be changed, which will result in reduced performance. Also noteworthy is that anisotropic optimizations are not used in OpenGL.
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60 Minutes Blunder: News Report on Resveratrol Overlooks Longevinex(R) Which Activates More Longevity Genes than Resveratrol Red Wine Molecule or Calorie Restricted Diet
"The French are drinking 3 to 5 glasses of dark, aged, red wine per day and living longer and healthier than populations in other developed nations," says Sardi. The French have far more centenarians per capita than any other country, a testament to the healthy properties of red wine. The new and more economical option to red wine is to consume pills that provide concentrated red wine molecules, like resveratrol, quercetin and ferulic acid, says Sardi. While there has been considerable attention given to one red wine molecule, resveratrol, a recent study shows an array of natural molecules produces a more profound genomic effect than plain resveratrol.
In a head-to-head comparison, a unique patent-applied-for matrix of molecules (resveratrol, quercetin, IP6 rice bran) as provided in Longevinex(R) activated 9-fold more longevity genes (1711) than plain resveratrol (225 genes) or a calorie restricted diet (198 genes) at a dose of resveratrol 17-320 times lower than prior studies.
Researchers interviewed on 60 MINUTES failed to mention a study published last September in Experimental Gerontology which showed that Longevinex(R) rapidly mimicked the genomic effect of calorie restriction in laboratory mice, an effect that otherwise takes life-long food deprivation to produce. [Experimental Gerontology 2008 Sept; 43(9):859-66] The public was deprived of hearing about a major breakthrough in longevity science.
Studies show the healthy range of wine consumption is 3-5 glasses a day. Sardi says the point of a well designed red wine pill is to provide about the same quantity of mineral-controlling molecules provided in 3-5 glasses of red wine, or about 180-300 mg, without the alcohol, sugar, calories and sulfite preservatives, at a cost that ~5-6 times less than wine. A
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JOHNSBURG- Mike Markwica, superintendent at Johnsburg Central School (JCS) was surprised when he saw the proposed amount of state aid cut from JCS for next year. JCS will see a 8.46 percent hit, which translates to $275,342, according the Gov. Andrew Cuomo's budget.
Through extensive cuts, which totaled roughly $450,465, JCS has managed to reduce its budget by 2.04 percent this year. This year's initial proposed budget was $10.3 million - a $253,000 reduction from the previous year and through several board and community budget workshops, the 2011-2012 proposed budget was finalized at about $9.9 million - a 4.15 percent reduction from the initial proposal.
"We have had to make some tough decisions," said Markwica. "And I am afraid that we will have to continue to make tough decisions."
Despite cuts in state aid across the state, Markwica said rural schools have been hit significantly harder this year.
"In proportion to larger schools, we have taken a larger hit," he said. "It is devastating smaller schools, forcing them to make hard decisions and they are certainly getting hurt."
The JCS board of education introduced community budget workshops earlier this year in order to involve the surround community in the budget process. They were very successful, according to Markwica.
"The workshops made people aware of the needs of the school," he said. "It also helped us to evaluate where we could afford to make cuts."
As a final budget moves toward approval at the state level, local schools may receive some reinstatement of cuts made in Cuomo's proposal. Markwica, however, knows that such reinstatements will do little to help the decisions that have made.
"It won't be a lot," he said. "And may not be enough to reverse any of the cuts we have decided to make."
The JCS board of education will go to vote on the proposed budget Monday, April 11.
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- Elimination of non-mandated Home Ec. program - $100,000 cut from building reserve fun
- Reductions in supplies and sports uniforms
- Reduction in teacher and staff conferences
- Reduction in field trips
- Reduction in vocational education
- Elimination of buildings and grounds projects
- $143,000 savings from salary and insurance concessions
- Reductions in BOCESemployee benefits
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National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines
"This property is of no value to the Government."
"...if it cannot be occupied and cultivated, why should we make a public park of it? If it cannot be occupied by man, why protect it from occupation? I see no reason in that."
How times have changed.
Those two statements, the first from U.S. Sen. John Conness in 1864 as he urged the chamber to protect the Yosemite Valley, and the second from Sen. Cornelius Cole in 1872 in opposing legislation to create Yellowstone National Park, painted two of the more glorious units of today's National Park System as worthless tracts of land. Today they are viewed as part of a $26.5 billion economic engine that supports 240,000 jobs and countless businesses, large and small.
While Sen. Conness had to persuade his colleagues that Yosemite was worthless, and Sen. Cole believed Yellowstone to be worthless, today the National Park Service points to the economic worth of the parks.
"National parks are often the primary economic engines of many park gateway communities," Park Service Director Jon Jarvis said last week in announcing the fiscal impacts of the park system. "While park rangers provide interpretation of the iconic natural, cultural and historic landscapes, nearby communities provide our visitors with services that support hundreds of thousands of mostly local jobs.
"... The big picture of national parks and their importance to the economy is clear," the director added. "Every tax dollar invested in the National Park Service returns $10 to the U.S. economy because of visitor spending in gateway communities near the 401 parks of the National Park System."
Lodging is the biggest business in the park system, generating $4.4 billion in economic activity last year, notes the report, 2013 National Park Visitor Spending Effects, Economic Contributions to Local Communities, States, and the Nation. Next in line, not too surprisingly, is dining and drinking (yes, bar drinking), which contributed $2.9 billion.
In 2013, NPS visitors spent a total of $14.6 billion in local gateway communities while visiting NPS lands. These expenditures directly supported over 143 thousand jobs, $4.2 billion in labor income, $6.9 billion in value added, and $11.2 billion in output in the national economy. The secondary effects of visitor spending supported an additional 94 thousand jobs, $5.0 billion in labor income, $8.8 billion in value added, and $15.3 billion in output in the national economy. Combined, NPS visitor spending supported a total of 238 thousand jobs, $9.2 billion in labor income, $15.6 billion in value added, and $26.5 billion in output in the national economy.
Which park system unit contributed the most to that total? The Blue Ridge Parkway, which generated nearly $1 billion ($999.3 million) in business last year, according to the report, followed closely by Great Smoky Mountains National Park with $943.2 million.
The report also noted that overall visitation to the parks was down in 2013, in large part due to the partial government shutdown in October, and due to ongoing impacts from Hurricane Sandy, which swept up the Eastern Seaboard in October 2012.
What was not part of the report, but which would be equally important in assessing the overall value of the National Park System, would be an analysis of the ecological worth of the parks. What value are the forests that act as air and water filters? How important to the nation are the flora and fauna protected by the parks? Let's measure the ecological, and economic, value of coastal wetlands and barrier islands at places such as Everglades National Park, Gulf Islands National Seashore, and Assateague Island National Seashore, that not only provide critical habitat for shorebirds, waterfowl, and fish, but also serve as storm buffers.
If the Park Service feels it must tout the dollar-impact of the parks to generate Congressional and public support, it could similarly bolster that argument by defining the "natural capital" that resides in the park system.
"Nature has provided ecosystems and their benefits to us for free. However, perhaps because this capital has been provided freely to us, we humans have tended to view it as limitless, abundant, and always available for our use, exploitation, and conversion. The concept of an ecosystem as natural capital can help us analyze the economic behavior that has led to the overuse of so much ecological wealth. If we can understand this behavior better, then perhaps we can find ways to manage and enhance what is left of our natural endowment. -- Edward B. Barbier, Capitalizing on Nature, Ecosystems as Natural Assets.
I am so glad to hear that our national parks are making Big Money. I was indeed worried there for a moment that untrammeled nature was all they offered.
Don't worry too much Alfred. Those are, for the most part, manfuactured numbers.
ec, please show us some proof of that allegation.
If anyone thinks that national parks are not paying their own way, come to Gatlinburg, TN, one of the gateway towns to Great Smoky Mountains National Park.
Visitors spend on motel rooms, meals, trinkets and serious camping equipment and ice cream. And that includes me.
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ec, please show us some proof of that allegation.
Lee - read the analysis. It is full of assumptions. The most blatant and erroneous of which is that people would not spend the money elsewhere if parks didn't exist.
ecbuck, I thought the point is; they would spend money elsewhere if the parks didn't exist not the other way around.
Kinda like if the USFS didn't allow for the operation of a ski resort around Aspen, Telluride, Brekenridge, etc while maintaining large tracks of public lands around these areas, those poor real estate title exchangers wouldn't be able to reap in larger profits for overinflated prices for the private lands around these spots. Mainly, because the wealthy would spend their money elsewhere since many of these places would be of less value, especially if these mountains were turned over to mining companies, and thousands of subidivided lots, but hey.... Some just don't see the reality of any current situation, now do they? West Virginia is a good example of this compared to what you find in many areas of Colorado and Western Montana.
Yes, David, people would spend elsewhere. The report assumes otherwise.
because the wealthy would spend their money elsewhere
And non "wealthy" alike
I had a conference at the Univeristy of Minnesota in June and made reservations to stay at the Arrowhead Lodge and the Kettle Falls Inn at Voyageurs NP. Due to severe flooding, NPS was forced to cancel my backcountry permit, so I skipped the park and just flew home after the conference, never spending any money at either business.
My wife and I are about to meet her family for a week-long vacation in Edisto, S.C. She's never been to Shenadoah NP, so instead of driving straight through to Edisto, or maybe staying a single night somewhere, we're going to spend two nights at the Skyland Resort in Shenandoah.
In September, my wife has a conference in San Antonio. Instead of flying home right after the conference, we're renting a car and driving to Big Bend NP, where we will be hiring a shuttle and renting watercraft from a local outfitter in order to float down the Rio Grande for two days.
The list goes on and on. And in each case, without the National Parks, our money would otherwise be just sitting in our bank account rather than circulating through the economy.
True, but the wealthy definitely drive those small mountain town resort economies and keep them somewhat afloat. Otherwise, they will just become another one of those rural impoverished areas where many residents dont even have running water to their homes.
ecbuck...I see your point. What your saying is if for every dollar invested in something else besides the National Park System we may get more than $10 in return. But than we would have crappy parks.
No David, I think you are still missing the point. My point is that people recreate. Even if no National Parks existed, they would recreate, I do a camping/sightseeing road trip every summer. Sometimes I go to National Parks, sometimes I go elsewhere. If the NPs didn't exist, I wouldn't stop going on my road trips. I would still make those trips and still spend that money. The NPs haven't generated anything in my case. In fact, because it is far cheaper to stay in a NP campsite than a motel, I probably spend less when a NP is involved.
Is the NP contribution to the economy zero? No. There probably is some stimulation in demand but you can't count every dollar loosly connected to a National Park as an incremental contribution.
"It is full of assumptions. The most blatant and erroneous of which is that people would not spend the money elsewhere if parks didn't exist."
Many people wouldn't spend the money elsewhere in the United States. The report makes it clear that the parks are a large driver of tourism, both foreign and domestic. If we didn't have the sort of flagship parks that draw in foreign visitors, they would not be spending their money in the United States. And if we did not have parks like Virgin Islands National Park, for example, many domestic tourists might be spending their money in the British Virgin Islands instead.
The tourism of the parks facilitates travel. They're not the only reason people travel within the country, but they are a big driver. Domestically if people weren't traveling, that is money that would not go to lodging (they'd be home), or restaurants (they can cook at home). And foreign tourist money just wouldn't enter our economy at all.
Domestically if people weren't traveling, that is money that would not go to lodging (they'd be home), or restaurants (they can cook at home).
You are assuming that if there were no NPs people wouldn't engage in tourism, travel or eat out. That assumption is absurd. Yes, there may be some incremental demand but to claim the entire spending as incremental is equally absurd.
ecbuck, I get your point. But fact is the parks are trying to show their worth through a little propaganda. They are competing for recreating dollars spent by vacationers and at the same time competing for tax dollars. If anything, they at least deserve more money for maintainance of the parks and show on paper that a dollar spent returns 10. I would bet Disney talks about their tax contribution when they need better roads or services. Anyway my point is it may be important to NPS to use the propaganda to get what they need.
"You are assuming that if there were no NPs people wouldn't engage in tourism, travel or eat out. That assumption is absurd. Yes, there may be some incremental demand but to claim the entire spending as incremental is equally absurd."
I claimed no such thing; only a willful misreading of what I wrote could lead you to such a statement. The line immediately preceding what you quoted had me saying this: "They're not the only reason people travel within the country, but they are a big driver."
So no, I am hardly assuming that if there were no National Parks people wouldn't engage in tourism. I quite specifically said that there are other reasons to travel. But the National Parks are a significant driver of tourism, as clearly demonstrated by the millions of visitors certain parks get and the spending they engage in for food and lodging and alcohol in those locations.
True, but the wealthy definitely drive those small mountain town resort economies and keep them somewhat afloat. Otherwise, they will just become another one of those rural impoverished areas where many residents dont even have running water to their homes.
If that were true I would say "So what?". But living and being involved in one of those communities I know that it isn't true. The vast driver of economics in Breckenridge is the tourist. The non-wealthy family from Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Minnisota.... Their sales taxes and lodging taxes provide by far the largest portion of the towns operating budget and generate the vast majority of the employment and income for the town and County.
That's a good point, ethelred. I forgot about the millions of foreign visitors to the parks each year. Whenever I speak with them, it's interesting how much of their trip to the states is organized around the parks. It's pretty implict that their trip through the U.S. would be abridged if the parks didn't exist. In National Park of American Samoa, everyone we encountered was from another country, traveling through the South Pacific islands, and not a single one would have stopped in Pago (pretty obviously (and unfortunately) if you've been there) or made it to Ofu (no easy way to get there) without the park.
But the National Parks are a significant driver of tourism, as clearly demonstrated by the millions of visitors certain parks get and the spending they engage in for food and lodging and alcohol in those locations.
Again you assume the driver to tour is the park. In some cases that may be true. But I find it incredible that the majority of those people would stay at home and sit on their hands if there wasn't a NP to go to.
["The parks] are competing for ...tax dollars. If anything, they at least deserve more money for maintainance of the parks and show on paper that a dollar spent returns 10."
You're right, David, and I believe that's the primary reason for these reports. Right or wrong, a key measuring stick for many in Congress when it comes to appropriating tax dollars seems to be whether an agency or program contributes to the GNP.
"Again you assume the driver to tour is the park. In some cases that may be true."
I don't have to assume that. The visitation numbers speak for themselves. Places like Great Smoky, Yosemite, Virgin Islands, Shenandoah -- they are drivers of tourism, which we know because tourists are going there. This requires no assuming on my part. And since, in this study, local tourists were filtered out, the report can pretty clearly show the impact on lodging/food services that tourists to the parks have had.
200 years ago, the state of Pennsylvania nearly tore down Independence Hall. Now between 3 and 4 million people a year are visiting that. That is a concrete driver of tourism.
Now, maybe if that building hadn't been saved, those 3 to 4 million people would still be visiting. And maybe if we had chopped down the redwoods, and hadn't protected Yosemite Valley, and hadn't protected Yellowstone, maybe there would be virtually no impact to the amount of travel done within the United States. There's been no study to support such an assumption, though.
"But I find it incredible that the majority of those people would stay at home and sit on their hands if there wasn't a NP to go to."
Sounds like you're the one making assumptions, then, not the report. You're assuming that if we didn't have any of our National Parks, there'd be little fluctuation in tourism. Sounds like a shaky assumption.
Thanks for righting the ship, Jim. From the opening quote, the thrust of the article is about the economic activity promoted by the parks. Would some of that economic activity exist without the parks? Obviously. Would most of it? Maybe. But to assert that the same level of activity would exist without the national parks is pretty ridiculous.
they are drivers of tourism, which we know because tourists are going there.
So lets make this easy. If those parks didn't exist would those people play tourist elsewhere? Yes or No.
Eric, you even admit that you like to travel to National Parks. Nature is what people are seeking, and the National Parks are some of the best areas for nature in our country. There are also many that don't have great acess to natural areas near their homes. One of the reasons the Smokies region is so popular is that there is around 2 million acres of protected forest in the region from the Cohutta Wilderness up to Southern Virginia. It's one of the few spots, outside of the Everglades, and some may argue the Adirondacks where you can find anything considerable in size that is protected. After Orlando, DC, and NY, this area is one of the most popular tourist destinations in the Eastern US, and viewing pure nature is part of that draw. If these mountains were not protected like that, not many would travel here, as much. Southern West Virginia doesn't have much National Forest, nor a tourist industry, but the terrain is somewhat similar. It's a definite contrast between the two areas.
But to assert that the same level of activity would exist without the national parks is pretty ridiculous.
And of course nobody has made that assertion. In fact, quite the opposite.
Gary, I don't disagree with anything you said in your last post. But saying people will stop spending tourist dollars if there are no National Parks is the same as saying people will stop eating if their local grocery store closes.
The most blatant and erroneous of which is that people would not spend the money elsewhere if parks didn't exist.
Yes, David, people would spend elsewhere.
"So lets make this easy. If those parks didn't exist would those people play tourist elsewhere? Yes or No."
Now you're asking me to make assumptions?
Okay, I'll play along. If none of our National Parks existed, my assumption is: we'd get very little foreign tourism, much of our domestic tourism would be redirected to places outside the country, some of our domestic tourism would cease altogether, and some of it would take place elsewhere in the US (theme parks, state parks).
I think it's a safe assumption that without any of our National Parks, tourism within the US would take a very substantial hit.
ethelred "very little foreign tourism"? Do you have anything to substantiate your believe that the vast majority of our foreign tourism is driven by the Parks?
Would "some of our domestic tourism" go away. Perhaps. Would all of it go away? Not a chance in you know where.
National Parks steer tourism dollars to where the parks are located. Since lots of parks are in rural places where jobs are scarce, they are the main economic engine. NP are the ultimate renewable economic resource.
Justin, If that quote is supposed to prove that I said there is no incremental spending, you are sorely mistaken.
I made the point that the report assumes that people wouldn't spend at all. That every dollar in the park is incremental. Which is absurd.
I elaborated later that "Yes, there may be some incremental demand but to claim the entire spending as incremental is equally absurd" So contrary to your accusation I have never said there was no incremental spending - quite the opposite.
I am probably in the middle on this one. Without the NPS people would recreate elsewhere. But because they are there we need to show that they are an important tourist destination and worth investing tax dollars to keep them up. If growth in tourism happens in anyplace there will be a need to do upkeep and upgrades in roads, services, airports, etc... in my view that is the sum of the report.
So, it looks like we're now in agreement that 1) there is incremental spending (of course we don't know what defines or how to capture "incremental spending"), and 2) that some people might spend comparable money elsewhere in lieu of a visitation to a national park.
Ethelred, the chart on page 5 may interest (but disappont) you:
Of the overseas visitors in 2009, less than 20% visted a National Park and of course that would include things like the National Mall or Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island which would be visted no matter what their status.
80% didn't visit any National Park and who knows how many of the 20% came primarily for a park rather than going to a park tangentially.
Did some come because of the Parks. Probably. Was it the overwhelming majority, absolutely not. So your contention, "we'd get very little foreign tourism" is absolutely wrong.
No one can fault Jarvis for trying to promote the parks, after all that is part of his job. If his point is to sucure additional funding then I see this as the same argument professional sports teams use to justify asking taxpayers to buy them new sports complexes or business uses to ask for land and subsidies. If in fact every dollar spent returns 10 as Jarvis states or is good for the local economy as is the justification in the other cases, then we should be able to lower taxes shouldn't we? Yet it always results in a tax increase.
Were the national parks ever intended to be economic engines? Or where they to preserve slices of American grandeur? I think the latter.
I also think it would be just as, if not more, valuable to point out the role national parks play in filtering air and water, providing habitat for species, helping to keep some species off the Endangered Species List while helping others rebound from being listed.
There is an impressive aspect to the ecological role that the parks play that should be promoted just as vigorously, if not more so, than the economic component.
I agree, Kurt. The article invites a more interesting conversation about the parks as preserving value that hasn't been capitalized. (And since these places are so uniquely American, it's a nice way to think about American exceptionalism in the context of economic globalization. That's my Rooseveltism speaking.)
Although Grand Canyon National Park officials don't track visitors' nationalities, they say they've noticed a sharp increase in international tourists in the past year or so and estimate that they now make up about 40 percent of all visitors to the massive gorge.
From a 2008 article (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0330canyonvisits0330.html). All the evidence on this seems to be anecdotal--and therefore probably no way to resolve the arguments above. But it's interesting to consider--would 40% of visitors to the Grand Canyon have come to America if it didn't exist? Or would they have gone on safari in Kenya, to the rainforests of Central America, the Canadian Rockies, the islands of Greece?
But I like Kurt's question better.
Kurt nicely said, I also was disappointed in the NPS Director not pointing out the enormous ecological value of the parks, along with the recreational and economic benefits. Agree completely.
The parks do spend a lot of time showcasing the importance of ecology, protection of endangered plants and animals, and the value in preserved nature. I take it many here don't follow the various National Park pages on their social media pages, because that's 99% of their posts.
Justin, your post sums it up well. These places are INTERNATIONAL destinations. Without the designation of a National Park, they will not be on the map of most international tourists. Countries that have preserved large scale national parks like South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe, the United States, Canada, Brazil, Peru, etc ARE in that ecotourism driven game because they have preserved nature that attract a certain breed of visitor. Some people in our country recongnize this. We are international community, and not just exactly a county, or a state anymore. It's an international community, and places like Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Great Smokies, Kruger, Banff, Torres del Paine, Serengeti, Manu, Yellowstone can be held in the same breath.
Time is short on this planet, so some of us don't plan on wasting those dollars chasing theme parks riding roller coasters. To me it's chasing National Parks, and experiencing some of the best that the Earth has to offer. That's what drives my tourist dollars. In fact next week, i'm off for a 2 week adventure doing just that in the Northern Rockies again. . . Not a theme park involved.
I'm with Kurt. I'm an idealist. There are things that I believe in because they are the right thing to do. The National Parks are one of those things. I believe that it is a judge of a nation how much it invests in things that are worthwhile for themselves, with no tangible [dollarable] return.
How to pay for them? Oh, there is a long list of ways. After taking care of every veteran, divert some of the money wasted on wars over the past couple of decades and spend it on the parks. Take back the tax breaks given to the oil companies and insurance companies and such, and spend it on the arts. Take back the tax free status of churches and spent the millions gained on feeding the poor and healing the sick and infirm. The parks, like kittens and butterflies, are their own excuse.
I believe that it is a judge of a nation how much it invests in things that are worthwhile for themselves, with no tangible [dollarable] return.
Well said, Rick. Better than my post above.
Take back the tax breaks given to the oil companies and insurance companies and such,
LOL Ignorance is bliss.
At CHNSRA the NPS has recently changed policies have negatively impacted economic prosperity of the villages contained within the park. A 35+% decline has been mostly attributed to excessive beach closures. The recent changes include the most popular beach destinations are closed to ALL access during the prime tourism season resulting in dozens of businesses closing, layoffs, and more. The economic engine at CHNSRA has been broken and so has the promises of the NPS.
NPS stats indicate visitation is only off 4 percent year-to-date through June. Where did you get the 35 percent figure, Beach?
Sorry, I meant economic impact since the new rule. After 2003, estimated 2.8 million, the visitation dropped signigicantly corresponding with the NPS changes in management and beach closures. Visitation numbers have not recovered and probably never will unless the NPS changes. Business's once depended on the relationship with the NPS now loathe the NPS.
I know your about to pull some stats from SELC propaganda how the "OBX" economy is improving, but those numbers are skewed by non-island numbers and changes in taxes, so don't bother...
Beach, NPS shows 2003 visitation at 2.6 million, though 2002 was 2.9 million. Still, using your 35 percent figure, it doesn't work with 2002 figures compared to last year's 2.2 million. (35 percent of 2.9 million is a bit over 1 million)
Nevertheless, how do you differentiate drops in visitation caused by NPS regs and that caused by hurricanes and Highway 12 washouts?
Again sorry, I meant a 35% decrease economicly since the new rule, not visitation. Though visitation has of course suffered, as they go hand-in-hand, 2.9m in 2002 and what is it now barely 2m.
I believe the NPS purposely doesn't make accurate counts of visitation because of internal politics. At CHNSRA they use car counters, which includes every trash truck, service deliveries and residents working off island. It's simply impossible to rely on these numbers. Based on my experience and discussions with business's, the visitation is down and a direct result of the NPS actions. Spin it your way as you wish...


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With the controversy regarding his last fight - a points win over Ike Quartey - still fresh in his mind, Forrest was keen to speak on this subject and others. Here is how the interview went.
James Slater: First of all, have you an opponent lined up for your next fight yet?
Vernon Forrest: Er, we are in negotiations with a few people right now, but theres nothing concrete yet.
J.S: So therell be no rematch with Ike Quartey then?
V.F: Well, if he wants one thats fine. But if not, Ill be moving on, you know.
J.S: Youre probably tired of talking about it now, but you feel you won it clearly?
V.F: The three judges that matter scored it for me and theyre all that count, they score the fight.
J.S: Why do you think the result was deemed so controversial by so many people?
V.F: Well, er, the only thing I can do is do what I do. We have expert judges that are paid to do what they do. Theyre the only ones that matter, everybody else is just opinions. So they (the judges) saw it how they saw it, and thats it!
J.S: So you were happy with your performance?
V.F: I thought I couldve done a lot better, but I maximised what I was working with at that time.
J.S: How was the shoulder after the operation?
V.F: Oh, we still working on it, we still got things (to work on) but Im glad I was able to put out throughout the fight and get the win.
J.S: Is it frustrating for you, a guy who was once up there in the pound-for-pound ratings - beating Sugar Shane twice and all, looking in so to speak. Would you love to be in there with Floyd (Mayweather)?
V.F: Well, I cant make 147, thats why Im fighting at 54. But yeah, if Floyd moved up Id fight him. Id take on anybody. Im a fighter who never ducked anyone, so it dont matter who the person is, its just about the negotiations and if everything is right. If everything is right, you know, Ill fight my mother.
J.S: You dont plan on fighting again until next year though, right?
V.F: No, er, we looking at late January or early February.
J.S: I know youre a guy who always keeps in top shape, you look in great shape now, how much above your fighting weight are you?
V.F: Oh, just a few pounds.
J.S: So is 154 your natural weight now, where youll see out the rest of your career?
V.F: Im gonna fight at 54 right now and then Im gonna let my body do what it does. If my body decides to move up then Ill move up.
J.S: Can I just ask you about tonights fight. Do you rate Floyd as highly as everyone else seems to first of all?
V.F: Yeah, hes the very best right now. Hes proven himself over the duration of his career. Hes one of the best undefeated champions so you gotta give him his credit.
J.S: Just finally Vernon, do you see him having any problems tonight with Baldomir?
V.F: No, I think Baldomirs pretty much tailor-made for him. I dont expect him to have any problems at all.
J.S: Well I want to thank you for your time, I really appreciate it champ.
V.F: Oh, no problem talking to you.
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Having worked memorizing skeletal anatomy all year, with only the arm and hand bones to go, suddenly the thought of practice seems intolerable. Like being stuck inside when outside the day is a glory of blue skies and sunshine.
I'm obsessively diligent and thorough, and feel learning anatomy is equivalent to learning musical scales. Of course what I really wish to do is compose beautiful pictures to satisfy an increasingly hard to ignore aesthetic craving, and enjoy the total absorption such work provides, but like a Raphael with No Hands, first I must learn to crawl before anything else.
I've given myself a five year plan of informal study, in which this year I work on the skeleton; next year the muscles and face; the third year perfecting gesture drawing and perspective; fourth year rendering, shadows and value; and the fifth year colour and experience with various mediums.
Now Starcraft 2 has come out and drawing is no longer the sparkly wonderful thing it was. In fact, I feel a desire to abandon it completely, like a capricious husband forsaking his newly wed bride in favour of a fresh conquest.
Should I resist the temptation, and continue doggedly with my drawing practice? Force myself to work, even though it feels like the dead end of the world, and all the wonderful things are happening elsewhere? Is this the narrow gate that only few pass through? The trial which must be overcome if one is ever to attain mastery?
Has anyone ever continued through this feeling for better or worse?
On the other hand, maybe clinging to my drawing ambitions will be like holding my breath? The greater I persist, the more complete will be the suffocation. Maybe I must let go, and refresh myself in another diversion, and if drawing really means anything to me at all, it will come back. Maybe a kind of duality must assert itself, whereby a sustained growth in skill must occasionally be refreshed by something different. Like in nature there is summer and winter.
Does anyone here have an unswerving interest in drawing, and such a dilemma as mine is incomprehensible? They cannot wait until their next chance to improve their skills? Is this why the great masters become so accomplished - because they have an almost savant monomania?
I feel once I attain a certain level of competency, where I am finally able to draw with some degree of fluency and express my ideas, this won't be a problem. If I feel like painting, I will paint. If I feel like playing Starcraft 2, I'll do that. My frustration is that I haven't even begun to explore my potential, and the clock is ticking. I'm scared all the subtle tricks I've learnt thus far could easily be forgotten.
Anyway, I would appreciate views and anecdotes concerning this dilemma.
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JESUS CHRIST ON A FLYING PONY, I can't UNDERSTAND you people!
You drain every bit of pleasure out of the process, you turn ART into WORK, and then you complain because YOU LACK INSPIRATION?
Draw what you like. Draw because you enjoy it. Not because you want to show off your awsum artz and get pats on the head and cookies, not because of what you hope to do SOMEDAY, but because you enjoy DRAWING. Exploring. Creating. Learning. Because that's the ONLY WAY to get good. THE. ONLY. WAY.
And if you don't enjoy it, DON'T DO IT.
Find something worthwhile to do with your life.
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July 31st, 2010 #3My SketchBook http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=139784
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Respectfully speaking but if someone told me that I wasn't allowed to draw anything but bones for an entire year I'd tell them to shove it.
I'm kinda getting the impression that you're trying for way to much anatomy/detail and you're not actually drawing the entire person. Try working on everything including bones/skin/face/shading and trying to improve in all areas rather than becoming an expert at bones and then moving onto muscles.
That's what I'm trying to do now. Sometimes my shading looks terrible but the body is good or vice versa. But by allowing myself to draw a complete person even though I don't have perfect anatomy or shading keeps my interest a lot more than just drawing bones over and over.
Also let yourself draw other stuff besides people. I get the impression that sometimes people (including myself) focus so much on the main subject of a piece that we never learn how to draw things like rocks, grass, trees ect, then we have to place out beautiful person on a plain white boring background. XD
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July 31st, 2010 #6
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE: You dont need to have a "five year plan" - the most effective way to learn anatomy is to bloody well draw the human body, from life or from photos. Learn how it works instinctively and artistically, with some technical backup, or you will SMOTHER YOUR SOUL.
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July 31st, 2010 #7
I vote for stickying Elwell's reply.
July 31st, 2010 #8
I second Noah's vote.
What is UP with this idea that you can somehow force-feed yourself art skills. That's NOT how you learn to draw! Not if you want to stay sane, anyway. It's not like memorizing a bunch of facts and then you pass a test and voila, you can draw now!
I've given myself a five year plan of informal study, in which this year I work on the skeleton; next year the muscles and face; the third year perfecting gesture drawing and perspective; fourth year rendering, shadows and value; and the fifth year colour and experience with various mediums.
You'd do much better trying to make pictures. With bodies and heads and faces and light and form and space and color and composition in them. All at once. You know. DRAWING. PICTURES. That's how you learn to draw pictures. By trying to draw pictures. And you learn all the stuff that goes into making a picture as you draw.
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I believe anatomy studies (and any other studies) is something you do on the side of your personal work. Locking yourself in the room and studying bones for months will most likely lead to death of creativity. Your art is reflection of who you are as a person. If you sacrifice your personal developement for just daily robotic drawing from anatomy books without experiencing and interpreting world around you then after few years of such brain torture you'll most likely end up creating meaningless empty pictures. It just won't be something memorable. Only pictures about well proportioned characters.
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Thanks for the views, but not quite what I'm after. I entirely agree that if something is not enjoyable, one would be better spending their precious time on that which is of greater interest. Though sometimes, for example, I find myself halfway through a novel not feeling particularly enthusiastic, yet push on and am glad for that sense of completion.
I certainly don't limit myself to drawing exercises, but feel a need for some structure to my study. I like meeting goals, and apply it to whatever takes my fancy.
My dilemma is better understood like this: if someone has a girlfriend, who they once really loved, but things are growing a bit stale and predictable, and then along comes a new woman, with all the allure of fresh novelty, should one remain loyal to the girlfriend, or seek after the fresher conquest? Perhaps my question is better suited for a philosophy forum or something. Thanks anyway.
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Naw, you got the right place. People are just used to answering same types of questions over and over, that's all.
As for your question, I hope you'd stick with the girlfriend. But for art, my answer depends on how easily you can get back into a routine. If you took a week-long break to let yourself play StarCraft, for example, could you go back to studying anatomy at the end of it?
July 31st, 2010 #12My dilemma is better understood like this: if someone has a girlfriend, who they once really loved, but things are growing a bit stale and predictable, and then along comes a new woman, with all the allure of fresh novelty, should one remain loyal to the girlfriend, or seek after the fresher conquest? Perhaps my question is better suited for a philosophy forum or something. Thanks anyway.
August 1st, 2010 #13
Oh, and terrible ham-fisted metaphor, BTW.
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This reminds me of that Harry Potter book with the fat toad teacher.
"Just study that chapter and if you've studied it long enough you'll pass the test?"
"But ma'am, how are we supposed to pass the test without practicing any of the techniques or spells?"
You have to apply what you learn. I think a better way to approach figures would be to draw figures and go "Hmm, this arm looks weird, lets do some studies of the arm and find out how the muscles work and how it's supposed to look when being used this way. . ."
August 1st, 2010 #15
If Starcraft is your highest priority, then by all means, go ahead and spend your time with that. I just wanted to chime in as a former gamer and say that I get it--games are addictive, and you wind up spending all that time you should have been doing something rewarding and worthwhile playing them instead.
Well, I don't game anymore. It's easy! Just don't buy the games. Drawing isn't always SUPER FUN, a lot of times it's downright hard, but if you enjoy it and care about making it then you'll keep doing it. If you don't, then like Elwell has already said far better than I could--why bother? Do what will make you happy in the long run.
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I totally agree with all the resposnes you've received from others, but I'm kind of familiar with what you're saying, I just don't let it bother me like it's bothering you.
One of my biggest problems is that I get shit from my dad in the form of "If I were you I'd love to be able to use my talent to make people happy." He REFUSES to understand that what I draw doesn't every interest him anyway, so I have to draw things I don't particularly want to in styles I don't want to. And there's something HORRIBLE about feeling like you HAVE to do things - like you've expressed. It instantly becomes a chore. I had every intention of doing a painting of my grandparents of their old dog, but when dad uttered the words "You should do it soon becuase they won't be around much longer!" and that I "should want to do it for them" it instantly became something I was dreading doing.
I often feel like I don't have enough time to do all the things I enjoy doing. I will go extended periods with little or no drawing because of other interests. It means I'm never going to have the opportunities I would if I practised daily consistantly, but I think it's healthier to give yourself some room if you need to. The joy of doing art is too fragile to risk damaging. And I'd rather enjoy it. People are different.
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Im not sure what you want with art? Do you want it as a hobby or do you want to work with it?
and that times is ticking away for you well I do belive that if you deeply want something and really love it. Its never to late you just have to work abit harder to reach your goals.
just have a look into this thread. Wow this was just....all my respect to Jason.
But I can understand you aswell. I also play games but yeah you gotta make art into something fun and if you dont think its fun and worth the time. Maybe you should just take it easy for a moment and figure out what goals and dreams you want to have.
if you figure out what art is for you. then perhaps you can figure out what to do. Play games or draw.
Good luck
August 1st, 2010 #18
hahah starcraft 2 is like a new, hot woman? Cmon man its just a game
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August 1st, 2010 #19
I've taught figure drawing for years and always believed that most do it bass ackwards. Learn to draw first and then if you are inclined get into the intricacies of anatomy. I don't care if you know the human figure from the inside out, if you can't draw it won't matter. Draw what you love an especially draw from life. I also believe we put this romanticized notion on the whole Zen thing of pulling a bow string for a year before we even notch an arrow. Most of us are not from that culture or time and must learn to learn in different ways. Draw from life and supplement with the innards.
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I play online games too (WoW), but when the school term starts I stop my subscription, stick it away and don't touch it until the holidays. That takes away the temptation (even though Cataclysm is supposed to be out in November) so I can concentrate on what's really important. When it comes down to it, do I really want to be someone who does nothing but absorb the work of others? To consume creativity but create nothing myself? That's why I'm attracted to art in the first place, because I can create and be a contributing part to the world.
Games have their place. TV has it's place. But to me, art is my life.
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It's all about how you want to spend your time vs. what you want to accomplish. You can't practice art 24-7. You're not complaining about all that sleep interfering with your practice. You can easily play Starcraft for an hour after you've gotten the practice in. So the real issue is that you find your practice boring. You're not sure you want to spend five years on this. Which is fine -- it's not compulsory to be an artist. You could quit today and the only person who would care is you.
Personally, I'd try a different approach to it before giving it up forever. Your method sounds tedious as all fuck.
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I mean there are so many great books in the world why on earth would I waste the short time I have here on ones I don't even like? And especially for a reason involving some daft sort of smuggery? Jesus.
August 2nd, 2010 #25That's a pretty terrible analogy. It's not like art is going to leave you because you're sleeping with Starcraft 2. You can fuck both of them. Neither one cares.
I really don't get all this oooh woah is me give up everything and focus on art and spend you're whole day doing it every day.
That's... great, if you enjoy it. If you're somone, like me, with other interests then it would be suicide! It feels like some people here shun those who don't spend every waking hour drawing. Practise, practise, practise is the only way to get better and I don't for one second on my scedule think I could ever be as good as many who work at it daily (or even many who dont! lol), but there's more important things to me than just art.
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August 2nd, 2010 #26
Buy only games that aren't multiplayer games like WoW or such. After a while you have done all there is to do and you'll get bored from playing it too often and will do other stuff instead like drawing.
Then you get both your gaming and drawing - and save money on subscriptions which you can spend on that new cool Wacom Intuos4 or that anatomy doll you wanted for some time.
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Games are addictive, period. Some are worse than crack, I hear. Personally, I played Everquest and Everquest 2 for years. Then, I realized that I was throwing my life away on nothing. I stopped for awhile, picked it back up, stopped, etc. Now, I play games on Facebook until Diablo 3 comes out. Then, I'll partake again (Sorry, but I've played every Diablo version since the beginning. Love the genre).
Honestly, you can play games without getting overly drawn in. I play a number of cool Facebook games, but they don't take over my time completely. Why? Because they aren't as addictive to me as art is. Do I sit around drawing the human body until it's perfect, then move to the next body part? OH HELL NO!!!!! You'll never get me to spend that much time on one type of art right now. I switch from painting to digital to drawing to sculpture to digital....blah blah blah.
In short, I do what I like to do, right now, in the medium I want.
Sure, you can allow games to suck your life away. I know a lot of people who have done that. Someone should form a Gamers Anounymous group with as addictive some of these games are.
Whatever you decide to do...put yourself on a schedule with the game. Only play for 2 hours a day 3 days a week. You'll be less likely to get completely sucked in that way...unless that's what you are looking for. If it is...we'll see you after you get out of rehab. LOL
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i think, that if you love art, and are creating art, it is never work. in fact it may be work to stop. I understand that forcing in the studies are hard annoying and often times just down right awful, but then stop. Its much like trying to study a text book. if you read and read the text book for hours and hours at a time, you may think you are studying, but in reality, after about 20-60 minutes (depends on your attention span) you are just staring at the words on the page. your not retaining anything and the sun has gone down, and now you really need to read, so you go back to staring blankly at the page.
basically you need to take a break every now and again.
i feel you on the studies, because i have just begun them. no, coping another's art is not fun, but i am driven to get better. i don't expect to get better over night, but i am already seeing the world differently. i study because i want/ need to get better. this is not for anyone else, only me. I love to draw, but i don't love what i create, so i am trying to work on making things i can love. these studies are not getting in the way of life, life gets in the way of my studies.. damn life.
as far as games.... well i was addicted to games, then i became broke, so i went cold turkey. occasionally i will play games and get that same rush, but i don't allow it to over take me. what i have decided though, because i still enjoy becoming lost in these worlds is to mix my love of games and art. hopefully i about 5 years i'm hoping to be at least in the lowest levels of game animation. keep your fingers crossed for me.
art is hard. it is like a sport... the only way to learn it is through practice. you could read thousands and thousands of art books, but i feel that until you put your pencil to paper (stylus to tablet, charcoal to new print, etc) you cannot be an artist. this is not the case with math, or english, or the sciences. yes for other fields you become better by using them in a real environment, but it isn't necessary, so long as you can comprehend them. art is the opposite. you can understand the living hell out of art, but until you really use art, you are not going to get better.
any way, with your GF metaphor, the grass is always greener on the other side, and i hope i have been some help. you only get to live once, so do what makes you happiest.
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serpian... everyone knows all flying ponies have wings.... duh...
morphane, take a break from studying bones for a while... entirely.. do whatever you want.... come back in 2 weeks and then see how you feel... cuz i dont think its Art v starcraft... its you not wanting to keep up with your routine... so dont.. i mean honestly if you want to be like the great masters, youre going to have to call one of them and ask them how... but having doubts about whether you should give Art up for Starcraft 2 is NOT the right way... its ur decision, not ours
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