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ALBANY, Ore. -- An Albany woman and her daughter will have to pay back thousands of dollars after an elaborate scheme to rip off soft drink giant Coca Cola.
Police say the duo figured out a way to manipulate a bottle cap promotion and collect more than $200,000.
It s a game many who consume soft drinks are familiar with. Beneath the cap of the soda bottle, there is a code. You go onto a website to find out if you've won.And in most cases, you don't.
But according to police, an Albany woman and her daughter figured out a way to cheat and they won, time after time after time.
On Friday, 55-year old Carrie Jones and 31-year old Sarah Jones pleaded guilty to computer crime.
Coca Cola investigators got suspicious in 2011 after tracking an unusually high number of winnings to a computer IP address in Albany.
Police say the suspects sold their contest prizes on eBay.
Investigators still don't know how the mother-daughter duo got the winning prize codes.
Coca Cola estimates it lost nearly $200,000.
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I speculate that there is more than Carrie and Sarah Jones involved in this situation, said Det. Mike Wood with the Albany Police department. I mean, it boggles the mind that they could single-handedly fool a multi-billion dollar company like Coca Cola.
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Earlobe Repair
Your ears are one of the most visible parts of your body and can often require cosmetic repair. Often it is because the earlobes have been pulled down after years of wearing heavy earrings. Some people simply wish to have old holes closed, which may have been torn or misplaced when piercing, and new holes pierced in a different location. While others may want to change the shape of their earlobes.
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For a torn earlobe, the procedure consists of "freshening" the edges of the split by removing a small amount of skin. Then using fine sutures, the split is stitched together.
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Patients go home immediately after the procedure with flesh-colored steri-strips over the incisions.Bacitracin may be given to apply to the affected area. Sutures are removed one to two weeks after the repair procedure. Healing generally takes 4 to 6 weeks. Earlobes are usually re-pierced after 8 to 10 weeks.
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The licence to operate the Crusaders will be taken up by the Crusaders Limited Partnership from 1 January 2013.
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The woods are rumored to have had a strange cult like group of people that would spend nights in the woods chanting and doing rituals, according to locals and witnesses the group stopped visiting the area some time in 2007.
Since this time strange incidents have been reported, people have reported blacking out randomly, and entering cold spots that soon go away.
Two different police reports have been filled out claiming that the person was suddenly scratched across the back, but both people claimed that when they turned to face their attacker no one was there. The most common thing people have reported in the woods is screaming from a long distance away, and loud talking that quickly stops.
The last strange thing reported about the woods is a certain area in the woods named "Elliotts pass", supposedly this location is where the cult held their gatherings, animal sacrifices, and initiations which came in the form of rape for women and for men, and draining a pint of blood by cutting off the tip of the left ring finger.
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It was a good year to be an Eagle
Arlington High is The Herald's School of the Year
I imagine it's been a fun year to be at Arlington High School.
The Eagles have gotten at least one team to state in every season, had several teams continue to surprise throughout the state playoffs and even had one team head to eastern Washington and come back with a state championship.
The sustained success, along with a passionate fan base that seemed to follow the Eagles wherever they went, helped make Arlington the top choice for The Herald's School of the Year.
In the fall, the Arlington football team pulled off perhaps the greatest upset since the 1980 U.S. men's hockey team, when it defeated fourth-ranked Kentwood 21-14, clinching a berth in the state tournament.
Winter came and the Arlington basketball teams continued to surprise throughout the Hardwood Classic at the Tacoma Dome. The boys team placed at state for the first time in the team's history, finishing fifth. The Joe Marsh-led girls team got all the way to the championship game, where the Eagles fell to Mead.
The second-place finish was the best for any Arlington basketball team since 1982, when the girls team won the state championship.
The weather changed a bit come spring – it got a little bit warmer, I'm pretty sure – but Arlington's success did not. The Eagles' softball team went on a tear to finish the season, winning their last 11 games including the 4A state championship to bring back Arlington's first softball championship since 1986.
Lyndsay Leatherman was one of three Eagles to finish in the top 15 in the shot put at the state track and field meet, where Arlington finished tied for ninth. Leatherman placed third in basically every throwing event there is: the shot put, javelin and discus.
Dan Boyden finished second in the discus and fourth in the shot put and AJ Passalaqua finished fifth in the javelin at the state tournament.
At the wrestling Mat Classic Bryce Thomas got eighth in the 132-pound weight class.
Arlington even had Anthony Allen place 30th at the state golf meet.
Like I said, it was a good year to be an Eagle.
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From the Chesapeake Bay to the Atlantic Ocean, Marylands extraordinary coastal resources contribute to its economy, environment and quality of life. With these remarkable resources comes great responsibility. Coastal resources must be protected and conserved, yet communities must be able to thrive economically. Marylands Chesapeake & Coastal Service (CCS) works to achieve that balance, providing leadership in the management and restoration of Chesapeake, coastal, and ocean resources.
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Marylands Chesapeake & Coastal Service is a partnership among local, regional and state agencies. CCS collaborates with many private organizations, such as local land trusts and economic development groups. We provide technical assistance, training, information, tools and science, and by administering state and federal funds to help the State and local communities restore local waterways; prepare for future storm events, shoreline change, and sea level rise; protect habitats, foster clean coastal industries and encouraging citizens to become caring stewards. Over the past three decades, this partnership has helped Maryland work to reduce the environmental impacts of coastal development, resolve significant conflicts between competing coastal uses and provide critical assistance to local governments in coastal planning and resource protection.
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GARETH DUNCAN chats to former Sharks centre Brad Barritt, who's been included in England's 32-man Elite Player Squad.
Barritt is one of nine newcomers to the squad along with fellow Saracens centre Owen Farrell, Northampton Saints duo Lee Dickson and Calum Clark, and Scarlets No 8 Ben Morgan.
Barritt joined Saracens in August 2008 and has played 87 matches for the club. He was named Saracens' Player of the Year in the 2009-10 season and was called up for England's tour to Australia and New Zealand in 2010, playing the midweek match against the New Zealand Maori.
Speaking from the newly opened Stellenbosch Academy of Sports, where Saracens trained on Wednesday morning, the 25-year-old was delighted with the news he received from England.
'I'm delighted. It's an opportunity that I've been wanting for a long time and one I'll be grabbing with both hands,' Barritt told keo.co.za. 'I've been in England for three years now, and I feel I've adapted well since my arrival. Now I just have to work hard.'
Over and above international retirements (Lewis Moody, Jonny Wilkinson, Steve Thompson) and long-term injuries (Andrew Sheridan and Richard Wigglesworth), interim coach Stuart Lancaster has axed nearly half of the 2011 World Cup squad including Mike Tindall, Nick Easter and Mark Cueto.
'Lots of players have been putting their hands up and there were some tough calls to make,' said Lancaster. 'However, in line with the selection philosophy about starting new era for English rugby,we have taken the chance to make changes and give players opportunities to be part of the journey towards 2015.
'We are looking both at the present and just as importantly the future. We wanted to get the right balance in potential and experience and giving us the flexibility to play in different ways. We need to use the upcoming games to build the collective experience and we are confident we have got the right mix to take England forward into this Six Nations and beyond.'
Barritt added that he's excited to be part of a new era in England rugby.
'Losing many players is the general trend after a World Cup. And this now a huge chance for the younger guys who are ready for the step up. There are some new talented guys in the squad and I believe their selection is warranted. It's an exciting time for everyone.'
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Coffey Park, like nearby Coffey Street, is named for Michael J. Coffey (1839-1907), the former state senator, alderman, and district leader representing Red Hook. Coffey was born in 1839 in County Cork, Ireland, and then immigrated to the United States with his parents at the age of five. He went to school in Red Hook and soon began working in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. When the Civil War began, Coffey joined the United States Navy. He served on the gunboat Monticello, and quickly earned the respect of his commanding officer. At the conclusion of the war, Coffey returned to Red Hook and became the Democratic district leader for Red Hook Point. The Red Hook district was locally known as "Coffeyville" by the end of his 39-year tenure as district leader.
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The Salvation Army in Kinston expects to boost the number of applicants for Christmas assistance this year by another 50 percent three make-up days next week for those who missed the original application deadline.
Applications can be submitted Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
About 700 applications have been received so far and the Salvation Army expects another 300 by Wednesday, the final day. Last year, the Salvation Army provided Christmas support to nearly 1,000 families.
"We like to do a make-up the day after we distribute for anybody who's just missed it," said Maj. Robin Starr of the Salvation Army. "You've got to have this stuff early."
His wife, Maj. Pam Starr, said this is the latest they've accepted applications. Other organizations they're working with have also extended the deadline for figures to be submitted.
"Toys for Tots asked me how many children we have today, but I told them we have a make-up day," Robin Starr said on Tuesday.
Operation Community Christmas, sponsored by The Free Press, also collects new toys for distribution through the Salvation Army.
Applications for assistance are screened case by case, with the federal poverty level typically as a primer.
"That's pretty much where we start to give us a little bit of a guideline," Robin Starr said. "If someone isn't in that (percentile), there could still be a need."
The Starrs said they see a lot of single mother households, but more two-adult homes are asking for assistance this year.
Pam Starr said she's seen families still hit hard overall this year.
"The families that I personally know are feeling the pinch a lot more than last year," she said. "I see more people who work, but (are) having to come here to get Christmas assistance."
The Salvation Army's kettle campaign is taking a slight hit, too. "The kettles are down per hour compared to last year," Robin Starr said, looking at donations for the first eight days.
"They said the economy is getting better, but I haven't seen it here yet … with our clients," Pam Starr said. "They still have not been able to get out of the hole they've been put in the past two or three years."
The Angel Tree at Salvation Army is also feeling the drought. The tree is still covered with names of children who need toys this Christmas, which the Starrs are hoping to clear soon.
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Inspired by an antique ship light, our flushmount fixture comes complete with a distinctive metal cage designed to protect the glass shade from the elements of daily life. Can be mounted to the ceiling or wall.
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|\ October 1, 1991 I JC: We are going to be discussing the history of the current Honors Program at the University at Buffalo. I want to thank you, Barbara, for agreeing to this interview, and I think that we should have an interesting discussion here. The first question that I have for you is: If you could give me some idea of how you became involved with the development of the current Honors Program at UB. BH: Yes, Bob Ketter decided that he wanted to reestablish an official Honors Program for a small number of students, Josie. I think he had ten at the outset and maybe twenty all tolled was what he had in mind.· And it's my understanding that after he had asked twelve other people to chair the committee, he got to me. (laughter) But, I'm not proud, so I said "Sure, I' 11 do it." So he put the committee together, and we starting meeting, and he came in to give us our charge. And I can't remember the exact time limit, but it was less'than a year that we had to get this thing ready to take the students in the following fall. So we had lots of meetings, we had a committee that was very interested in what they were doing, was often a very contentious group, and we did it. JC: Can you elaborate a little bit on what you feel were Ketter's reasons for wanting to reestab~ish the Honors Program. 1 BH: I think that as we were talking earlier in our little conversation about the importance of Capen here, as I said, Capen was a particular idle of Bob Ketter. That may have had something to do with it. I am not sure that he saw it as much as a recruitment tool as a subsequent president did. I think that had to be on his mind, but he wasn't after big numbers. I think he simply wanted us to have a program that would display the best of our talents. JC: Do you remember, in going back through the material that I had, Vico College? BH: Yes, that was a tough one. I'm trying to remember who was one of the leaders in it. JC: Murray Schwartz. BH: Murray, but there was another guy in the English department who hates athletics. JC: Stefan Fleischer? BH: No, Stefan isn't so bad about it. I'll think of him, but anyway, yes, I remember that because, believe it or not, I was also on the committee that reviewed all the colleges. 2 JC: Because one of the things I found when I was going through the materials that we have stored in the Honors Office, was a recommendation that Vico College wanted to establish a classical college which, in fact, would be an honors college. Did any discussion of that come up in your committee early on? BH: No, I don't remember hearing anything about that at all. I sort of vaguely remember that that was the orientation that group had and that's why I said that it was a really tough group. As a matter of fact, I think it was one of the first colleges that failed because they couldn't get enough students. They were very, very demanding. JC: At a time when things were going in a very loose direction? BH: That's right. JC: What made you decide to take up the chair for the Honors Program? BH: Oh, I guess I was just young and eager and thought it would be an interesting thing to look at. I had no particular interest in it. In fact, I had a difficult time, as I think some of the other members did, because I .... it took me a while to convince myself that being elitist was OK, and I finally developed the arguments which I later used to try to prove 3 that it ~ OK. I mean you can't argue, it's a state university, and everybody ought to be treated equally. But that isn't the way that life goes, and we have all sorts of special programs for the handicapped, the less well-trained, that sort of stuff, and I convinced myself that it was unfair that we didn't have a program for the opposite end of the coin, for the truly academically talented, and whenever I would be accused of elitism, that would be my argument. We're elitists down here, why can't we be elitists up here? And it stopped a lot of discussion. JC: How did the other committee members feel about it? Did they buy your argument or did they have some other creative arguments? BH: No, I think the number of them that came in like I would guess, say that Stefan and Bernie Gelbaum, they didn't have any problem with that particular idea of doing something special for the upper end of the realm. Others like Ed Jenkins, and to some extent, I think Marjorie Girth, sort of had the same whim, whammies that I did. But, yeah, that was a reasoned argument, and we certainly went through with it and gave the Honors Program as much support as we could after that. JC: How would you describe your role with the committee? Once you 4 got into it, did you have a certain mission in mind, or ... BH: We started with essentially nothing but a charge - 'Give me an Honors Program, and do it in a very short period of time.' We had a good librarian on there who is no longer with the University, and we looked at some other charters and ways that other people did it and so forth. And I think that the biggest argument that we had going on in that committee was how to distribute the $2,000 to the students. I mean, that figure, I don't remember how we arrived at it, but we did, or we were told we could do it, whichever it tJt.Tas. And we had the standard group who wanted to put so much in a dormitory, and so much in a book store, or ... , and then the kid could go draw on this, and then you had the rebels who said, 'Hey, these are supposed to be real bright kids. Let's just give them the $2,000 (bucks) and let them do what they want with it.' Ahh ... that took us a little while to fight that out. But we finally did and decided to go that route, because, yes, we had convinced ourselves these were going to be very bright kids, and they ought to learn to take care of themselves right off the bat. Another one was trying to decide what the grade point average that they should maintain, was going to be set at and you'd have, again, sort of a purest approach which says, 'Well, you know, this ought to be a 4.0 or something very, very high, 3.8 something like that.' And then you'd have, I don't know if they were the rebels or what who said, 5 'Hey, look, we don't want these kids here just grubbing for grades. We want them here to experience everything that we can give them and to teach us other things that can be given, and you can not put that kind of a onus on them or they'll take nothing but courses they know they can ace.' So, after some long discussion, we came up with an overall of 3. 2. Later on you will ask me why it got changed to 3.5 at which point we had probably better blister the microphone. (laughter) JC: You mentioned money. Was that a given right off the bat? BH: Yes. JC: And was that Ketter's idea, or ... BH: Yes. As I remember it was Ketter's idea that these people would get a stipend, and so we knew that there was money involved. So that's what raised the question of how do you spend it?, how did you let the kids handle it? JC: Okay. Once Ketter gave you the charge, did he interfere very much with ... I mean, did he have certain ideas that he wanted to see develop or did he just ... ? BH: He did not interfere. If I recall correctly, I think we asked 6 him to come back after he had given us the charge and have a discussion with us because we were contentious, and he did so reluctantly and basically told us to get on with the charge he had given us. And that was it. And when we brought the proposal to him, I don't remember any portion of the proposal being changed, to be very honest about it. But it was a very loose proposal, purposely. I mean, we did not want very strong, strenuous rules because we thought the program had to grow and that we had to learn. None of us had ever been associated with this type of an endeavor, and that we just simply had to be willing to roll with it and to let the program grow and to learn from the people in the program - what the better things to do were. JC: When you were developing this, did you look at other Honors Programs that existed across the country? BH: Yeah, we had some data as I recall on some of the other Honors Programs that were available, and we also looked at a little bit, I think it was a paper by Julian Park, and it's probably in the stuff that you have at the office about our own program that we had here. And, I think I'm very proud of the committee because we did not really copy anyone. And it's something that I've long had a strong feeling about and that is that if it works at the University at Chicago, that's fine but we're not the University of Chicago. And we have to 7 develop our programs according to the talents that we have here. And the whole committee seemed to feel that way; they wanted to do their own thing. We may have done exactly what ten other places have done, but if we did, we didn't know it. JC: Well, you haven't done what ten other places have done in that sense. We're very, we're very unique. (laughter) BH: Good. That's what we wanted to be. JC: The more we go out and see what other schools are doing through the National Collegiate Honors Council Forum, we've realized that we are fairly unique 1n that respect. Particularly with providing scholarship monies. Although there are other schools that have extensive budgets for programs, a lot of that, that's where we're a little on the thin side, obviously. Did you, as a committee, were you very self-contained or did you solicit people from within the University for their opinions? Was this something that they just wanted to present and say this is it and it exists or was there a need to go to the Faculty Senate and get their approval? BH: As I recall, we were very self-contained. I don't remember asking anyone particularly in, that doesn't mean that the 8 members of the committee did not have discussions with their colleagues and that sort of thing, but it was a ~ focused committee. We had a short period of time, too, and we were going to meet that deadline to come up with this plan. In a way it was a very fortunate committee because we knew that if we carne up with anything that was reasonable, it was gonna be implemented. I mean there are very few committees that know that their recommendations are gonna be implemented. So I mean we were really very focused on corning up with something that could be implemented and could work. So we were a very self-contained committee. As a matter of fact, we met 1n a very small room, we were sitting all over each other. And it was, and the committee members were there, we were meeting sometimes 2-3 times a week, as I remember. And they were there. There wasn't any of this business of getting tired of it and sloughing off and all that, and I think part of that was also the brief amount of time that we had. We knew, you know, get at it - do it and you're done. And now you asked, did we have to go to the Faculty Senate? Nope. It was called the Presidential Honors Program, as I recall, and it did not involve any change in curriculum over which of course the Senate has control. All it involved was passing out some money, a selection process which the committee also worked out, basically Gerry Rising worked it out, and then setting up someone to oversee the program. So it did not require Faculty Senate approval. The President simply gave the money and put 9 it into effect. JC: Did you have little sub committees from the general committee? And how did they function? BH: We probably did but to be very honest, I don't remember. The main thing I remember is that it was a committee of the whole. I mean, you'd get into an argument - Ed Jenkins presented his side of the coin every time he had an opportunity. Bernie Gelbaum had his own particular slant on it, and we came from very different approaches. And I think maybe one of the reasons that we were successful was that we were willing to wait and see what happened - get it started and let's wait and see what happens. JC: Do you remember what any of the major arguments or some of the better ones that people had or put forth? BH: A major argument was of course always was always how you were going to get minority representation to which we still don't have any answer. A major argument was what's going to be the grade point average that these students have to maintain. An argument about what curriculum could they take and, for instance, the same thing that you still get that if they're in a natural sciences, or mathematics curriculum or an engineering where the grading is traditionally low. Should we 10 take that into account as compared to social sciences where the grading is traditionally high and obviously nothing was done about that because we kept saying, 'Well, let's try it and see what happens. We can always change it.' (laughter) And to the best of my knowledge, we haven't changed that yet, although we've had many requests to do so. JC: Every now and then, Denny Malone will pull me to the corner and say- 'Oh, by the way, ... ' And Reichert also does that. BH: And Jonathan Reichert, yeah. JC: The two of them form a team together. BH: Oh, yeah, yeah. BH: Yeah. And yet you have a lot of engineers in that program who manage to stay in the program pretty well. But if you're looking for the top talent and you're defining that top talent by a grade point average, then I guess you just have to figure that the people who are in engineering had better be the very best, the very tops in engineering. JC: Were there any other people on the committee besides yourself who sort of stand out or really had a major impact? 11 BH: Well, I think I've mentioned the ones that from my waning memory, Stefan Fleischer was great, really~ interesting. Relates some very good ideas and was really a very good committee member. Ed Jenkins with his particular slant which was an important slant. Marjorie Girth was a magnificent compromiser. She could just calm things down and come up with a little slant that was in there. Bernie, who was his usual cantankerous, straightforward, contentious self. But he addressed the issues. I mean there was no running around the bush with Bernie. He brought it on, 'What are ya worrying about the minorities. They're too damn dumb to get in the program, then they don't get in the program. That's all that is to it.' Oh, here we go. I guess and Gerry Rising who is undoubtedly probably the fairest person I've ever run into and would calm us down and back us off every once in a while when we'd get into some of these discussions. And Gerry was the one who came up with the weighting system that we have. The SAT's, the grades in high school and the rank in high school. 'Cause that was, of course, was a major problem, is how do you select these people. The first year they had to write an essay, it seems to me that ... was Jack Peradotto on that committee? He may have been at least, I know he had to read the essays. JC: He was Dean at that time. 12 BH: Was that it? OK, because I know he was somehow involved with this. And so they had to write an essay you know; "Why do I want to come to the Honors Program at UB?" I think that only lasted one year. (laughter) It was awful. And from then on, it's been as you know just a straight, down the line sort of thing, which apparently has not got us into any major problems. I can remember a couple of times that that might have been a disaster and that an interview might have been a much better idea. But since we haven't changed it, I assume that that has worked out fairly well. JC: Yes, there have been very few problems, at least, and I think the other thing is that perhaps for some of those students that we might have rejected, who were having a hard time dealing with the fact they they were very bright but felt very awkward or uncomfortable about it or were made to feel that way about it. That it's very nice to see them let go of that and develop, sort of 'de-nerd' themselves, if I may use that phrase. (laughter) There are a few nerds, and they sort of get 'de-nerded', and it's nice to see that. It's nice to see them feel comfortable among their peers and take advantage of the University. So, as you say, it really was a committee of the whole, then, that everybody was committed to this and probably in part because they felt that they could do something; it wasn't just a committee that was going to spin its wheels. 13 BH: Yeah, oh yeah. That was one of the neatest things that Bob did - he said 'You've got this short period of time, and 'this is what I want you to do. And when you do it, if it's good enough, I'm going to put it in place. We're not going to wait two or three years to thank you.' Another thing that was going on at that time was that the SUNY Central was trying to develop their own vision of an Honors Program which would utilize all of the SUNY system. You didn't have to stay in any one school. We were aware that that was going on, and that it had been going on for some time and that may have been part of the reason why Bob put the push on because it didn't look like the thing was ever going to materialize. And we had been patient, or he had been patient and waited you know to be a good boy and get into the SUNY system. But it just didn't look like it was going to come up. I think it finally did. They finally did promulgate some rules and regulations and probably far too well set in granite. But one of the things, this was after our program was in place, was that their median grade, their grade point average that had to be met was 3.5. And Carlotta, of course, was involved with SUNY Central and the development of this and was handling our program here and she just arbitrarily changed our 3.2 to 3.5, and I think in that material that you have in your office, you will find a very scathing letter from Gerry Rising. Because this was done in the middle of the year, and by this time of course, the committee was disbanded. There was a sort of an Honors 14 Council. I'm not even sure there ~ an Honors Council at that time or if Carlotta was just basically taking care of it. But she did this, and people were angry about it. She did this because it looked like we would be a part of the SUNY Honors system. And that was their requirement and, therefore, it was going to have to be QY£ requirement. As I said, that SUNY thing never did do anything, and we're still stuck with what I think is a too high a requirement if you go back to the original intent of the committee, and that is that these kids should be able to develop in the areas that they know they may not get an A in, but that they can learn a lot from. And now you know, I've been mentor for these kids, they're not going to take anything that's going to ruin their grade. Even if they're very interested and want to do it. And I don't think that that is a good idea in any program. But certainly not in a program in which you've got~ expansive minds. JC : So you feel that a 3 . 2 would have, to maintain it at that level, would have been better. BH: Yes, I think that the majority of them would have come in higher than that, but I think they would have been taking a wider range of courses, internships, things like this that they won't take now because they're afraid they won't get a good grade in. I don't know if you did change this, but I remember also, this was after the original decision though, it 15 was in a council meeting, of someone suggesting that the Honors students not being allowed to take S/U grades which again, that does away with the whole idea of their being able to take something that they don't think they'll get a good grade in. And it does away with the, I guess I should say, the equality among the rest of the students. As I said, I'm willing to go elitist on one end because I'm elitist on the other, but I want the big equal sign in between. And the Honors students should not be penalized just because they're Honors students. Anything else? JC: Yes, a few more questions for you. Did Carlotta Bocca play a major role in this? Did she have any impact or was she just Bob's assistant? BH: She had the impact from the standpoint of that grade change. But as far as the committee was concerned, she was a resource person, and we worked through her and got our room assignments and things like that. But she was not a major player in it. No, she was the Assistant to the President who was going to administer this program. JC: Do you know if at any point in time there was any concern voiced from SUNY Central to the establishment of this Honors Program at UB? 16 BH: As I recall, Josie, the only thing was that they kept wanting assurances that when the SUNY program went into effect, that we would be a part of it. And I do sort of vaguely remember, I may have been on the SUNY Senate at that time, I don't know, talking to some people from SUNY Central and saying you know, 'look, if we get ours going and it seems to work, it may help you get yours going but we were not going to back off from trying to get one established here and keep on waiting for them. But we did say 'Yes, of course, you know, we will be interested in being in your system.' As I said, that one never really materialized. JC: OK. (pause) In deciding the admissions format, you mentioned that Gerry Rising basically came up with the formula that's still basically, currently used. But what other suggestions were there in addition? BH: There was the usual one of course of having to write that essay so we could get an idea of their writing sample. There was a possibility of determining a certain number of slots for a given character - would 50% be women and 50% men, would there be a certain number of minority. And the first year we did go with the essay, which was a nice way that we designed this program because it became perfectly obvious after the 17 first year 'That wasn't a very good idea.' It really didn't get you a lot. And it just turned out that we wanted, the majority of the committee said 'Let's be blind.' JC: What was the problem with the essays? What was missing, other than the time it would take, perhaps to read them? BH: The essays were, as I recall, what we had them do was write and tell us about themselves, you know, talk to me about yourself. And they didn't add anything to the plan. One of the things that Carlotta did use them for, and that we, I think she, it wasn't part of the committee's idea, had planned to use them for, was if the kid would write in and say 'I was an olympic skater in the Children's Olympics' or something like that. Then we had a blurb that we could send back to the local newspaper, all right, about this kid who you may remember was the olympic swimmer, has been accepted to the Honors Program at the University of Buffalo, and that sort of stuff. But as far as helping you to decide which of the students you should take, it just didn't seem to work out. JC: So they had some other ideas, too? BH: No, not really. I mean we went, we pretty well went along with this weighting that Gerry came up with and with the idea that it was best to be blind, and that way you couldn't be 18 accused of any discrimination, for instance, because you didn't know. All you knew was a set of numbers. And the argument was made, of course, that you can be pretty sure that those set of numbers are not going to be heavily tilted toward minority. And actually it was funny because there wasn't much of a worry, as I recall, in terms of how many males and how many females because, at that time, the general impression was that the men would be higher on the mathematics part but lower on the verbal, and the women would be the other and so it would even out pretty well. And as we know, that has changed. It's not the case - the men, I think, are higher on both now and the women have come up on the math. JC: Also, just the general character of the institution affects it, too. As far as how many women, very bright women choose to come to a very large university. BH: That's true, too. JC: So basically, Gerry developed the formula. Do you know where he got it from? BH: I don't know. I think ... You're going to interview him so ask him, but my recollection is that he just came up with it as a weighting system. Now, you gotta remember that Gerry has a long line of experience, I mean for a while he was a high 19 school teacher, he was a college teacher. He's always been in education, and he knows how people get into things and, I can't remember, whether at that time he was teaching his gifted math program or not. But I believe that that's the way he does the entry into the gifted math program as well. JC: So he just carried it over, refined it a little bit? BH: Or, from one area to the other, I don't know which came first, 'cause I don't think ... How long has he been doing this gifted math? JC: For a while. Before, I think he had it established before the Honors Program was established. BH: So it may have been a formula that he knew was being used at other places with good results. JC: Given the fact that this was a presidential program and, therefore, really didn't require any approval from anybody else, at any point in time did any faculty members approach you or other committee members that you know of and were vehemently opposed to this? BH: Faculty members, no; students, yes. 20 JC: Oh, .... elaborate. BH: I would be at different meetings where there were students and so forth, and the ones that knew about this would very often would come up and want to know why we were going this elitist route. And, as I said, I had already worked that one out in my own mind. And I think the place I ran into them the most often, was, I used to spend, during the summer - orientation. I would go over and talk to either the parents or the students and we had the students that were there and they knew what was going on and they would hit you with this. 'Why are we going this elitist way?' And I gave them the answer I gave you earlier and it apparently was reasonable and they accepted it, I don't think they liked it but they realized it was a reasonable response so they accepted it. But there was never any acramony, no finger pointing or hollering or yelling or anything of that sort. In fact, it was not very much known. And even when it went into effect, it was not very much known. 'Cause there were, I think, ten students that we took in the first year. Carlotta was looking over them and then Healey and you and so forth got into it. And one of the things that the committee was very concerned about was that you wouldn't be able to identify these students. We didn't want them to be known as the 'nerd group' or something like that and particularly not just that the students couldn't identify them, but that the faculty couldn't identify them because we 21 know that you've got some faculty who grade on what the student does. We've got some faculty who if they think that kid is going to come out with a 4.0 will see to it that he doesn't come out with a 4.0 and others that were so impressed by the fact that he's an Honors student that they forgive him a lapse or two. So we just wanted them to be invisible, just like any other student. As far. as classroom things are concerned, I think that's probably been the case. I don't know that they necessarily identify themselves, but in your special courses and in the dormitories where they have special privileges and things like that, I'm sure they can be picked out. And I don't know if there's been any problem with student or faculty since that time, but at the time, there really wasn't. JC: We still maintain a low profile ... in that respect. BH: I think that's good for the kids, yeah. JC: ... and I think they prefer it, too. They're very much involved 1n a lot of University activities, and they want to be seen as a student. We encourage them to wear their intelligence well. They get the message, I think. (laughter) BH: Oh, yeah, they're bright kids! 22 JC: Who came up with the perks, I mean the ideas of a mentor in particular and the other things we provide students, with the housing in Governor's and the first registration? BH: OK, that reminds me of another person who was great on the committee, and that was Wolck - Wolfgang Wolck. And it was the committee that came up with the mentor system. And that the idea of having two mentors and in disparate fields so that if the kid were an engineer, then the other mentor should be from a humanities or a social sciences, that sort of thing which we did for a while. And the two-mentor system was meant to have someone who was in the, in the area of the student who could help him in that but someone who was outside the area who could try to broaden him and bring him out into the other things. That was interesting because one of the things that was brought up, as I said, this was a straight forward committee, was 'Who's gonna decide on this because I would hate .... there are certain people that I would not be comentoring with.' (laughter) So it was decided that there would be a primary mentor, mostly in the field and that then there would be a secondary mentor and the primary mentor would be involved in choosing this. And as I recall, we even went to the bit of soliciting mentors from among the faculty, asking in all the different faculties and perhaps even as far as departments, if they would be interested in being a mentor and they had to be approved, had to be someone that was here 23 for a long enough period of time to get on that list and then that was the list to which the mentors were first assigned. I believe also, and this may have come later, it may not have been with the original committee, that we wanted a DUE faculty advisor also involved with the two mentors. And I'm not sure whether that was a committee decision or whether it was brought on board later on. I would hope it was a committee decision because, even at that time, trying to figure out what the general student requirements were was beyond most faculty members, (laughter) so we needed a DUE advisor to make sure we aimed the kids in the right direction. JC: The academic requirements for the program, not grade point average but the course, the seminar course. How did that evolve? BH: That I don't remember anything about. So it was probably long after the committee had broken up and probably was decided on by the Honors Council, which was finally put in place. I don't remember how long it took to put the Honors Council 1n place after the thing went into action, but I don't think it was too long, maybe a year or so. JC: So basically, your committee then really just looked at the admissions criteria, how you were going to give the scholarship money, but did you and the mentors, but what other 24 things were you responsible for? BH: We didn't have to worry about, we talked about ... but did not have to worry about curriculum, whatever they were going into. It was the same thing for the rest of the University, and there would be no restriction on that. If everyone that was chosen the first year was in the engineering department, so be it. That was all that we had to plan for. So we really didn't, in the period of time we have, do much more than I remember telling you that we did - setting up the admissions requirements, and fighting about what the grade point average should be and things like that. JC: So the seminar component and the other things actually came after. BH: I think so. I don't remember us being involved in that because had we been, we would, probably you would find somewhere in the files a list of people who would be invited to give seminars. I just don't think it's there. I think, we did the mentors, we tried to get the mentors identified but after that, it was to be up to the mentors and the student to develop the program for the kid. So I suspect it was the Honors Council later on that came up with the seminar idea. JC: So then you finished your work in a short span of time, 25 really? BH: Yes. JC: ... and then handed it to Ketter. What were his replies, or what, how did he feel about it? BH: Basically, he accepted it, gave it to Carlotta and said 'Start recruiting.' There really wasn't much to be argued with because it was, a, loosely drawn. I mean there were rules that you had to meet, you had to have a certain grade point average and that sort of stuff. And there were certain things that the University was committed to do for them. But that was it. From there on in it was 'bring us those kids in and let's see how it flys.' JC: Now, in your recollection, was the Honors Council developed shortly after that? BH: I think so, ah, because I think I remember recommending that Wolf be on it. Ah, I don't think~ was on it, but I do think there was some carry over from the original committee. I know I got back on it later on, but I don't think that I was on it at the time but I think there was a council set up almost immediately, which was chaired by Carlotta and probably appointed by the President. 26 JC: OK. The committee itself that you were on, the formation committee, what hopes did they have for these students? Was there any .. did they have some idea of how they hoped these students would develop or did they have .... ? BH: Oh, yeah, I'm sure everybody had his own idea. Bernie was certainly looking forward to getting the mathematical genius, and would have been perfectly willing to take that kid all through the University on a 499, an independent study. We talked about curriculum and this and that, and we finally said 'OK, that's the way that you see its best way to do it, fine, but it's got to meet all the University's requirements,' which would mean at that time I think was distribution. But I don't think there was any big talk about 'they should be leaders, we would hope that they are presidents of the student association.' As I recall it was just an idea that you had extraordinarily good students that we though we could get some of them to come here. And it was as I said a small number - ten to twenty - was supposed to be about the maximum. And that these students would be given every possibility that they could be given to interact with the faculty and to grow as much as they possibly could. Whether Bob had in mind the tutorial type of approach that you tell me Capen had here or not, I don't know because he never put that onus on us. He just said 'get me some Honors students.' 27 JC: Was there any idea that this program might impact on the University or was it just that these numbers would be too small and would never be felt? BH: I think it was that the numbers that were originally planned were probably too small to make any big impact on the University. As far as the student body was concerned, as far as the total faculty was concerned, I, I suspect that all of us hoped that one of those days one of those kids would win a Noble prize or something or go off into space. I don't think we thought about that at the time. And that that would be good for the University. But I do not remember any feeling at all that we were doing anything but offering them an opportunity and that all they had to do was their very best to stay in the program, but not commit themselves or did we expect anything else from them. It was a very ... It was a group that were really very interested in doing for the student. It wasn't looking to get something for the University. And that small a number, it's not going to make any impact on overall SAT's or grade point average or anything like that. Oh, I suppose we did hope that they would influence other very good students to come here. But it wasn't part of a plan. It was maybe a hope. There was no plan other than to set up an Honors program and get these bright kids in here. 28 JC: Ten years have passed ... (laughter) BH: Really? JC: ... since that time. (laughter) BH: Yes, and there's an order of magnitude difference in the ... JC: What are your feelings about those 10 years and what's happened with the program? BH: Ah, I think it has been used. That the numbers have gone up. I can't argue too much about that because that simply means to me that more very good students get the opportunity. But I do think that it has been used to picture the University in a perhaps not totally honest way. I think we have a right to be proud of it. I still think that we ought to go back to the 3.2 instead of the 3.5, and I think we're got a right to be very proud of a lot of those students. So me have gone onto the professional schools, to graduate school, to other areas. I think we have gained from them, but I certainly think that they got an awful lot out of us, and that they're deserved it. The perks ~ great. At the time when some of those perks were being given, like early registration and all of that study hall areas and all of that sort of stuff. At that time, if anybody said anything about it, I said, 'Yeah, we do that 29 for the athletes all the time. Then when I got involved with the athletics, if anybody said anything about the athletes (laughter) getting all these perks, I said 'Well, my God, we do it for the Honors students, why can we do it for the athletes?' JC: Covering yourself on both ends. BH: That right. I've got an example -anytime you want to look at it. So, I'm very proud of the program. The one thing that probably, I wondered about considerably, was the transfer student thing. Partly because I did not feel that we needed to recruit transfers, and I still don't feel that we need to recruit transfers. I think it's nice that we're getting some non-traditional people in the program, but I would rather have seen a way to get some of the Millard Fillmore students into the Honors Program than to go outside and look for transfer students because, as you know, I'm very impressed with the number of those people in the Millard Fillmore program, and I'd like to see them get some way of being appreciated. I think we brought this up at one time, and it may have even come up in that committee, but I think it was later. That, you know, even if we could just tell those kids that if they could get $500 a semester because they had made the cut off for an Honors Scholarship or something like that. That probably that would have shortened up the amount of time they 30 had to spend to get their degree. happened. But that really never JC: I want to go back to one point. You mentioned just a few minutes ago that you feel that the University hasn't been necessarily represented in the light that it really is. What did you mean by that? BH: Oh, if you're going to use the Honors Program to try to say that that's what the University is like, it's not true. All right? And I prefer the approach, if not just point out, which Steve would take every once in a while, not just point out 'Look, we've got this elite group of people here,' but also 'Look, we've got this group of people who need both economic help, tutoring help, EOP type programs, and we're doing that, too. And we got a large group right here in the middle that, quite frankly, we are ignoring, but they are living regardless of the fact that we are ignoring them. And I would prefer, you know, instead of just focusing on the two ends, to see a little bit more emphasize on the fact that we got some very good students who may not graduate cum laude. But they do a heck of a lot for the University, for the community. Very active students in the community. And I think they gotta, we ought to give them a little credit every once in a while as well. 31 JC: Do you see any benefits that have fallen from the general Honors Program to the University as a whole or to the student body? BH: Yeah, I think the mentor idea that was accepted there and has been expanded by the special major, actually probably came from the special major, not sure of that though, has worked out very well for a large number of our students, including a large number of Honor students. The idea of independence, of being able to do internships, tutorials and that sort of stuff has of course spread throughout the University. And that's a very common thing now in a special majors program or even in some of the standard curriculum. Probably, although I can't say I've seen it, you might get a spin off from some of your Honors seminars - that would be open to the rest of the University or become a basis, say, for a freshmen seminar. JC: Yes, the freshman seminars originated from the Honors seminars. BH: Okay. And one of the reasons that I think that that has happened is that there has always sort of been a two way process, the Honors Program has never tried to hide itself. It's never tried to say 'We are here, and we are it!' But there's always been an involvement with a number of other people and other groups within the University and they're open 32 programs. And so if we see something that we think is going great in the Honors Program, we don't mind swiping it. I mean, after all, it was developed here, it was ours. And I'm sure if you see something that is happening in the rest of the University that looks like it would be useful for your Honors students, you do the same thing. So the neat thing is that they aren't out of the mainstream. OK. They're not going down their own little tiny path. They are part of the University. All be it, they have a few more requirements on them other than the rest of the University students, but they also get more perks than the rest of the University students. But they~ a part of the University, .and I think that's very important. JC: You've been very gracious in serving as a mentor to a lot of the students in the program. Do you have any contact with them once they leave? BH: Uhm, yeah. I think the first person that I was a mentor for was Oleh Zazula. And I had a lot of contact with him while he was getting ready to try to decide what school he was going to go to, and he could have gone just about anywhere. Of course, he ended up in Buffalo, which we all knew he would because he was from Rochester, and he didn't want to be that far away from his family. And Oleh would come in so he was right here at the UB medical school and that's usually the way that I 33 have continued contact with them 'cause a lot of them come into the medical school here, and they come bopping in and sit down and they complain to me or they tell me how great they going on or they just want to sit and talk and they know I've got an easy chair. So I kept track of Oleh for a long time, and Oleh has a sister here, by the way. You know that? JC: Oh, no, I didn't. BH: She's in the Occupational Therapy program, and she took the 300 course and came in, just like Oleh, always worrying, you know, to ask to have a late exam or something like that and scored an A on the course. And that's a very uncommon name, and so I said 'Do you have a brother?' And so he's finished his residency in opthamology and is now I think in practice. Neil Reich, a recent one, is presently in medical school, and he bopped in yesterday to tell me how he'd done on his first blocks and that sorts stuff and he said 'it was your turn, I saw Dr. Rokitka last week.' And these were people that, yes, they were in the Honors Program but that I knew as well as I did because they did a special major with me. Amy, with whom I am mildly pleased, I mean she did not, you know, burn up the bridges but she did a good job, she was in there on all of them. She didn't have any really big problems, and if we turn this off, I'll talk with you about another person that I'm sure you were as surprised at as I was. But, yeah, I see Amy 34 quite often because, of course, I was not only her mentor, special major adviser, but also the adviser for the sorority that she founded. And there you got two people, and I see Alka Patel every once in a while. I think she's with Rokitka. Some of the students are just almost totally grade oriented, but the majority of them, at least the ones that I know, are very much in the swing of the University and are very good citizens. You know they really want to do something to help their fellow man, if you will. So I think even though we look at them by numbers, somehow you get the people very often who are really very broad, very good, very widely oriented. So, yes, if they're in the medical school, I have others - A Carol. What was Carol's last name? JC: Bradley? BH: No, B something or other. JC: Bezio? BH: Bezio. I haven't heard anything from her. JC: She's out in California. BH: Yeah, and I think her boyfriend is as well. That that's where they finally decided to go. Which doesn't come as a surprise 35 to me. But the students who are around here, yeah, they feel welcome to stop in and talk and chit-chat. JC: Good. One last question. Was there ever a time when you thought the program wouldn't go or wouldn't happen? BH: No. No, as I said to you earlier, that was the neat part of this committee. We had been basically told, 'You come up with something that is decent and it's gonna be implemented. And Bob took a look at it and said 'Carlotta, go get me the students,' and then that was it. So, no, that was a nice thing. Because we did feel that the work was gonna be brought to fruition. That you weren't just spinning your wheels like you do on so many committees. JC: Anything else? BH: No, it's a pleasure talking about it. isn't that good. I 'm sorry my memory JC: Well, I appreciate the time you've given me and a lot of good insights into what's happened at that time. BH: Well, I think you have in the office the stuff that we wrote 36 our first report from. I think I left it over there because I can't find it in my office. And that's probably one of the best records you're gonna find for it. JC: Good, OK. Well, thank you very much. BH: Yes. 37
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GARETH DUNCAN, writing in SA Rugby magazine, says size matters when it comes to international U20 rugby.
The record speaks for itself. Between 1994 and 2007, South Africa claimed six titles at the U19 (1994, 2003 and 2005) and U21 (1999, 2002 and 2005) World Cups. However, since the inception of the U20 Junior World Championship in 2008, which replaced those two tournaments, the Baby Boks have failed to reach the final, winning the bronze medal on three occasions.
This is disappointing when you consider the huge junior player base and talent in South Africa, a luxury the more successful U20 teams, like three-time champions New Zealand, Australia and England, can't match. When speaking to several former and current Baby Boks personnel, all give similar reasons for South Africa's shortcomings at the U20 event, citing a lack of experience and proper preparation, and emotional frailties in pressure situations.
'I'm not sure of all the reasons why the Baby Boks have struggled in recent years, but I can speculate that there are the same problems I experienced in 2006 when the team didn't do so well,' says former SA U19 coach Eugene Eloff. 'The teams we faced at the tournament that season, like France, Wales and England, were bigger than us. Their forwards, some of whom weighed up to 120kg, dominated our pack. One of our biggest players in the 2006 squad was Frans Steyn, and he was a backline player.'
A key statistic that has been overlooked in previous seasons has been size. In the past three campaigns, the Baby Boks averaged 95.6kg (2008) and 95.9kg (2009 and 2010) per player, whereas New Zealand's, Australia's and England's players have increased in size or remained bigger each year. According to the experts, this size advantage has been central in these countries' success at the Junior World Champs.
This is an issue Baby Boks coach Dawie Theron has taken into consideration ahead of his first tournament in Italy. The 31-man SA U20 squad he took to Argentina in March averaged 98.6kg per player, which was an improvement, especially among the forwards. That number is likely to increase when other Super Rugby and Springbok Sevens players join the squad at a later stage.
'Against Argentina, I noticed how size helped us as the players were bigger and in a better condition than before,' says Theron. 'Argentina are traditionally physical at the breakdown and scrum because of their big forwards. But our pack managed to contest well and even dominated them at times. The increase in size will make us more competitive against New Zealand, Australia, England and France, who have always selected bigger players.'
However, Theron believes size shouldn't be the main focus as 'the system can't deny opportunities to the future Gio Aplons'. In the 'Small Wonders' article published in the December issue of SA Rugby magazine, the writer points out that the law interpretations allow smaller players, like Aplon, to have a bigger impact in the modern game. However, Sports Science biokineticist Justin Durandt and Professor Mike Lambert, who have both consulted with the Baby Boks regularly since 1995 and have studied the development of South African rugby, don't support this theory.
Durandt says: 'It is scientifically proven that weight plays a big role in rugby. If you look at the Stormers' win over the Bulls in Pretoria in March, you'll see it was one of the few times the Stormers had a heavier pack.
'However, size has a bigger influence at junior level than it does in senior rugby.This is because the junior boys are still developing and maturing, while the senior players have matured and have reached their optimal level. Some juniors also mature slower than others. The stronger nations at the U20 tournament have used this to their advantage by picking their bigger players, who aren't always as talented but are physically superior.
'In the past, the stronger nations would have a 10kg advantage per player on our juniors. This stat can also be misleading as it's the squad's weight averages that are recorded. In a match, this advantage could be even bigger, like 15-20kg, especially among the forwards. If the South African junior teams don't have players who can match the bigger opposition, they will never win the Junior World Champs.'
Durandt counters Theron's point that size shouldn't be the main focus.
'Some players take longer to reach their optimal level in terms of conditioning and strength. Aplon can cope at senior level now because he has matured and developed adequately, but he wasn't as strong when he was a junior. A bigger U20 player will dominate a smaller U20 player in contact. If your team lacks size, it will struggle.'
Lambert says there are a several reasons why South African players are smaller.
'There are a few interesting statistics that Justin and I have discovered,' he says. 'The players' weight averages at the U18 Craven Week are increasing each year but this wasn't the case with the Baby Boks. This highlights a selection issue.
'White players also tend to be bigger and better conditioned than black players. But this isn't a racial or genetic thing, it has more to do with the players' socio-economic backgrounds.
'Players from wealthier backgrounds have easier access to gym and top rugby schools and get the proper nutrition and conditioning at an earlier age than players from poorer homes. This is proven by the fact that black players from top rugby schools are bigger than the norm because they have gone through better development structures.
'Saru has taken note of this and has sent several quality mobile gyms to poorer areas to try and rectify this issue. This will allow these players to have access to gyms earlier in their careers, and in turn, players from poorer areas will become bigger and stronger.'
Lambert also points out that the junior contractual system is problematic as players are signed by their respective unions, whereas other countries sign their players centrally. With the South African system, Saru relies on the provinces developing national juniors while other countries play a more hands-on role with their players' development, growth and conditioning.
However, high performance manager Herman Masimla says Saru can't adopt other international systems because of unique circumstances.
'We can't contract our players centrally just because it's successful in New Zealand, Australia or England. Their junior structures and systems won't suit us because of our bigger player base.
'Our relationships with the unions have always been good but there are times when communication regarding certain players' progress is a problem. In order to improve this, we will be sending Saru officials and conditioning coaches to each region to oversee each player's development.'
Masimla admits that experience, and not only size, has been a problem for the Baby Boks and says Saru is rectifying these issues.
'We take our junior rugby very seriously as these players coming through the system are our future Springboks. So we need to ensure they are world-class players.
'We've acknowledged that a lack of experience and size has hampered the Baby Boks' performances at the Junior World Championship, but we have systems in place to sort out these issues. Some of these implementations, like the mobile gyms, have taken a while because of financial constraints while other solutions are still being discussed, like the possibility of playing an U20 Tri-Nations or Four Nations tournament.
'The national high performance programmes for U16s and U18s help a great deal in the players' development. At these workshops, we also have a host of former players and top coaches helping out on a consulting basis. We also give out booklets at the national U16 and U18 tournaments, which give players information on proper gyming and nutrition. That should improve their conditioning and help them become bigger and stronger.
'In terms of experience, European teams benefit from playing in the U20 Six Nations, while New Zealand and Australia's U20 players feature in Super Rugby. They have this luxury because their player base isn't as big as ours.
'For a number of years we have been encouraging the unions to give their youngsters more senior opportunities. It's been good to see it happening this season. An immediate solution could see a Baby Boks team in the Vodacom Cup or Varsity Cup, while we will continue to organise more international warm-ups.'
Masimla believes the Baby Boks will become one of the strongest U20 entities with time.
'What we are very happy with is our player development blueprint. Our junior teams form the foundation of South African rugby and they will go through the ranks and work their way into Currie Cup, Super Rugby and Springbok teams.
'There are also windows that allow other talented players to enter the system at a later stage if they weren't identified at junior level. We understand that some players mature slower than others.
'I believe the Baby Boks will have a strong campaign at the Junior World Champs this season. But with these structures and systems coming along well, we will be even better at future tournaments.'
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