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Let's get back to your regular scheduled knee
I alluded to a medical fact. Knee injuries are made worse by rushing back from them too soon. I'll wait for you to link the medical evidence suggesting playing in pain on a recently injured knee is good for you.
And please keep telling yourself you know what EJ is going through, while the rational among us leave emotion out of it and exhibit patience.
Go ahead and be patient, and every year and that one patient Oden fan can have a party. Good luck.
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"I don't know if people know I dislocated my pinkie finger. And [Tyreke] told me, 'You wanna go home or you wanna be here?' I want to be here. And he said, 'All right, then go tape it up and let's play. Let's go. We not stoppin' at no stores. Straight gas. That's what we do, just keep going.'"
Eric Gordon out indefinitely due to head injury from Soggy Nachos thrown by fan during opening night.
It'll be interesting to see the fan reaction tonight if Gordon is introduced to the fans. I'm guessing since it's opening night they'll introduce the entire team, no?
"I'm not going to allow my putative owner to answer that question, this is an NBA related press conference. Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell have collectively sung their praises of Tom and if uh ESPN has a problem with that tell Mr. Skipper to call me at my office."
This won't kill my joy for tonight in the slightest....even if we lose I just wanna see these young guys that WANT TO PLAY for their teammates and for their city on the floor. I've just been exhausted with guys not wanting to play for us. IMO I've always appreciated guys no matter the talent level that wanted to be on the floor and put every thing they had into it. (there is a reason so many people love/loved guys like JJAck, Aaron Gray, Jason Smith...) Guys like Gordon just don't have that but this young nucleus seems to truly like playing for this organization, for their coach and with each other.
So i'm excited for tonight. And I think this whole Eric Gordon thing might be a blessing in disguise for a guy like Rivers whole thrives in his natural position.
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Gordon would say he's too sick to play if he had a 98.7deg temperature.
Gordon is supposed to address the media tomorrow about his knee.
Well I wish this wasn't the case. But I have been saying that I thought the Rivers pick was to hedge the bet on Gordon in case he was not ready for the season. Anybody can tell me different but I won't believe them. People on here also need to give Michael a break. I mean my god where else are you gong to get this kind of hornets coverage. The answer, NO WHERE !!!! I remember when he said that a bout Gordon & David Thorpe made his comments, we all were hoping he was going to be ok. But its not & I would not be surprised to see the Horents move in a new direction with Gordon now if the knee doesnt get any better this year.
at least we still have rivers...if gordon cant play by january, I say trade this fool if anybody wants him
He seemed optimistic about the season a couple days ago. It would just be strange if he is faking it. I see no logical reason for him to fake it whether he wants to be here or not. Hes one of those players who wants to be an all time great- sitting out for the hell of it just makes no sense. This is just a new breed of insanity.
To be fair, I don't think Gordon is faking an injury or pain as some may have suggested. So i don't think Gordon is lying, but if the doctors say it's fine, which i think they have, and there's no risk at damaging it more and he's still not playing, then thats where my frustraton lies.
Lets just call him Erica Gordon.
I tore my ACL in July and had my knee surgery july 27th and I think I'll get back on the court faster than Gordon.
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How long do your computer mice last?
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How long do your computer mice last?
The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
by NixieBunny (859050) on Wednesday December 11, 2013 @03:50PM (#45663081) HomepageYes, they were atrocious. I often found myself cleaning *other peoples' mice* just to be able to use them. Ewww!!
Yes, they were atrocious. I often found myself cleaning *other peoples' mice* just to be able to use them. Ewww!!
Years back I'd often go to someone's desk to try to show them something or change a system setting and found their mouse was all bockety. A twist of the bottom plate and a few seconds scraping big chunks of gross stuff out and they couldn't believe how wonderful the mouse worked, never mind what I was sent over to sort out or demonstrate for them.
Fond memory from when I was in support:
Customer: my keys are stuck, sorry.
Me: Have you tried turning your keyboard upside down and shaking it?
(sound of customer doing such).
Customer: Ewww, there's oh, gross...
I don't remember if the call continued or she hung up. I bet her keyboard worked better after that though, or got replaced.
The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
Try using one for very long when you have a cat. You left "cat hair" out of your list so I'm guessing you don't have a cat. Semmantically kind of funny when a mouse chokes on a cat hair ball.
I used to have one that detected the motion of the ball by shining a light down the a cylinder that the ball rolled. This made it very accurate, but it had the down side that in bright sunlight enough light got through the white plastic to permanently trigger the sensor, so it never saw an occlusion and thought that the ball was stationary. A nocturnal mouse.
We had an excuse to procrastinate before we had Wikipedia available.
I toss them after a year or 2 even if they are working. Like glasses, you can only get them so clean after a while.
I actually had an optical mouse die. The left button micro-switch started failing so a click of the button didn't always translate into a button event. Really annoying when it first started to go because I was always wondering if I had just "missed" whatever I was attempting to click. Finally started seeing some really obvious things.
I keep loosing the middle button on Logitech mice. It usually ends up with me reprogramming one of the thumb buttons for middle click.
I bought a Logitech mouse/keyboard package in 2002. The thing lasted, without any issues, for 10 years. Loved it. Wound up replacing the mouse with another Logitech mouse, not six months in the middle button started failing. Sounds like this isn't an isolated incident and that Logitech isn't making mice like they used to. Shame.
The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
This may be true, but I've never had anything go wrong with a roller-ball mouse than couldn't be fixed by cleaning out a bit of lint from the ball.
My current optical mouse has lasted through at least 3-4 computers, possibly more.
What is this "mouse" thing of which you speak?
I use laptop with touchpad. What is this "mouse" of which you speak?
It's this wonderful, accurate, precise pointing device, that should be packed with every laptop, and used if at all possible.
I use laptop with touchpad. What is this "mouse" of which you speak?
I found the touchpad to be too annoyingly oversensitive, so I prefer to use a good old wireless Logitech Trackman Marble T-RA18 with mine. I was surprised at how quickly I took to using a trackball.
On my gaming rig though, I am rather fond of my Logitech G300, and really should shop around for a spare just in case this one ever bites the dust...spaaaaaace cadet...
What is this "mouse" thing of which you speak?
"Use the mouse? How quaint." Lt Cmdr Scott.
Obligatory IBM Mouse Ball Memo (Score:5, Funny)by UnknowingFool (672806) on Wednesday December 11, 2013 @03:16PM (#45662767)This memo [snopes.com] was supposedly from IBM on how to replace and clean mouse balls. It is not clear whether it was serious or in jest.
Mouse balls are now available as FRU. Therefore, if a mouse fails to operate or should it perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel.
Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse. Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Ball removal procedures differ depending upon manufacturer of the mouse. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop-off method. Domestic balls are replaced using the twist-off method. Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately.
It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items.
To re-order, specify one of the following:
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I first saw that memo in the late 80s. One of the IBM field engineers brought it in, it was hilarious!
Re:Obligatory IBM Mouse Ball Memo (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd say legitimate memo, written by someone with a sense of humor.
Legitimate because domestically and foreign-produced ball mice did have distinct differences in how the ball was made, and what it was made of. Used to frustrate the hell out of me as a kid trying to swap enough parts from three broken mice to make one that works.
Someone with a sense of humor because... well, the obvious.
[i]It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items.[/i] So what the memo is saying is, women shouldn't service mice, because they don't have the balls for it.
I've been using the TrackPoint as my primary pointing device on Dell Laptops or ThinkPads for over ten years, so my mice don't get a lot of use. I use synergy [synergy-foss.org], so I can control my desktop and laptop using just the laptop keyboard.
But, I still have a couple of working keyboards that are over twenty years old, and mice that are nearly twenty years old.
Who uses mice? (Score:4, Insightful)by techno-vampire (666512) on Wednesday December 11, 2013 @04:14PM (#45663329) HomepageI've never bought or connected a mouse to any computer I've owned. I've always used trackballs (not trackpads, TYVM) and find them far, far more reliable than any mouse I've ever used at work.
Re:Who uses mice? (Score:4, Interesting)by NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) on Wednesday December 11, 2013 @05:11PM (#45663935)Indeed. Where's the "when they pry my Logitech Trackman Marble FX from my cold, dead fingers" option?
I feel the same about my Cordless Optical Trackman. It's finally starting to act up after many, many years and I found out there's no replacement for it. Not only that, all the other trackballs I've seen suck. I don't know what I'm going to do when it stops working - maybe get a touch screen? [/sarcasm] It's better than using a mouse.
I've always wondered why they made it cordless when it doesn't move...
On-the-fly adjustable DPI, wide scroll wheel, options for two additional buttons, quality components.
I'm surprisingly fond of Thinkpad clit mice. Er, trackpoints? Damn, what is the polite name?
(Okay, surprisingly? Heh.)
+1 for the clit. I first learned to work the clit when I bought a Toshiba Satellite Pro 2400CT back in '94 that had a green clit. I totally fell in love with the clit as it allowed me to mouse around without the need for a hand to leave the keyboard, which I'd think a great deal of touch-typists would appreciate. I loved it so much I went out and bought an IBM keyboard with a nice red clit that cost me over a $100; which back then was 1/3 of a month's rent. Since then every Intel PC keyboard that has been a
I've been using Kensington trackballs since the early '90s. I actually prefer the old mechanical Turbo Mouse line over the current optical Expert Mouse design. The Turbo's large stainless steel rollers didn't collect nearly as much gunk as the little plastic beads in the Expert Mouse.
I just replaced a 5+ year old Apple Mighty Mouse - the first Apple mouse I've ever worn out (bluetooth was getting flakey). On the other hand, the mice that I get with my work PC laptops have generally lasted months, not years. Dell mice are utter crap.
The maker definitely matters.
I've been using the same mouse for the past 5 years, when I replaced the Logitech 3-button mouse that I purchased in 1994. So, that's 2 mice in 20 years. And that old mouse was doing just fine, but I needed something that was USB, and the switch to an optical mouse was a nice upgrade. However, I'm starting to think about going wireless on the mouse and keyboard. Not sure if that will work well with my KVM switch.
I've never had any trouble with the Dell mice that I've used at work but then again I never had to use any one of them for more than a few years before getting replacement during a tech refresh. That said I don't care for the ergonomics of them at all.
My favorite mouse of all time was some old model of microsoft intelli mice they made back in 2002 or so. I used the same mouse for six years straight with no problems at all. It had a very nice feel in the hand and was light weight. I had to leave it when I en
Ahem. Trackball. No need to look down to see where the mouse has gotten to on my desk. Big fat ball that's always where I expected. Like all the balls in my life.
It would almost be easier for me to list the ones that have broken then put a lifespan to them.
Ever since I have moved to optical USB mice, of the dozens that I have used at home or work, only 3 no longer work. Ironically 2 of those were "high end" mice. The budget Microsoft and Logitech mice seem to last forever. I only just replaced the original Microsoft optical wheel mouse my grandmother had after ~10 years of use after a button broke. My other ones of that era are still going fine.
The only mouse I have ever worn out is an Amiga mouse. This was in 1999-ish, on an Amiga dating back to about 1990. The left button microswitch wore out, it still pointed fine.
Strewth. The only mouse I can remember having that died was an early Logitech USB optical mouse from around '01. It'd been my mouse until ~'08 and then my wife's until just a few months ago, when one of the button actuators finally got clogged up with something and quit. I might have been able to fix it (and maybe even put it back together again), but mice are so cheap that it wasn't worth it.
My crappy mice that I use at work tend to last about two years, but I am sure I will have my Logic Tech Performance MX with Dark Field technology for a while (At least I better at the price I paid)
by Reliable Windmill (2932227) on Wednesday December 11, 2013 @08:10PM (#45665943)I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working. It was built to last. The Logitech optical mice I use these days usually fail after a year or two; they are obviously and intentionally made as consumption items so the manufacturer can get a steady income.
My old Logitech MX500 mouse pointer was ONLY retired because the scroll wheel no longer worked after five years of yeoman service. I've replaced it with a Logitech M500 model.
I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working.
I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working.
My oldest ball mice still work fine as well, several Apple IIGS mice, a few Commodore 1350 mice, a 1351 or two, and a Tandy mouse (which has a bigass steel ball that a much younger me would have been tempted to use as a steelie in the marbles arena back in grade school).
Every single old Microsoft Intellimouse Web (the optical with the back and forward buttons on the sides) that I have collected and kept in use for the past decade continues to work to this day. The signs of finger wear are obvious but the little bastards are basically tanks in mouse form. I don't know about the newer ones but these may simply never die.
I got a new job and they had these crappy old Dell mice. My first request was a gel wrist rest for my keyboard, a gel wrist rest mousepad, and a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse [amazon.com]. It's the best mouse I've ever used, I'm not sure why Microsoft ever went away from the design. Clearly by the price, they are still highly sought after.
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse. It's the best mouse I've ever used, I'm not sure why Microsoft ever went away from the design. Clearly by the price, they are still highly sought after.
That is another one I never pass up at Goodwill or St. Vinnie's, the 3.0 and the 4.0 especially. Those are also consistent resellers for me.
Microsoft? (Score:5, Funny)Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical -- the only virtually flawless product Microsoft ever made, so of course they discontinued them.
Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical -- the only virtually flawless product Microsoft ever made, so of course they discontinued them.
Flawless for the user mean fatally flawed for the manufacturer. The manufacturer wants something like a mouse to work well enough but last just long enough that you're willing to replace it when it breaks. If it lasts longer than that, they missed a chance to extract more $$$$ from you. See "planned obsolescence."
My mice would last much longer if I could resist the urge to smack them against the monitor whenever my computer slows down. I know perfectly well that the mouse is blameless, but my lizard brain needs to SMASH something.
Where is that option?
It's the perfect mouse. Will never be exceeded and they seem to never break either.
Or a Logitech MX518.
I should have remembered that one.
So far, so good. Some of the silver paint has scraped off where I rest my thumb, but otherwise it's held up like a champ. The one I use at work is five months old, but has survived multiple airplane trips now, providing a testament to their durability. (Plus my wrist doesn't hurt and people hate using my computer. Double win!)
My very first Rising Star mouse from the mid 80s was still working when I tossed it a couple years ago. I used the bus mouse I got with my 286 until I built a machine with no ISA slots (and therefore no way to plug in the mouse's interface card). On the flip side, when Apple switched from the angular ADB mice to the rounded one in the early 90s, the rounded pieces of crap would start double-clicking after a month or two. I had to scrounge a box of the old mice to replace the new ones in our department.
I have had this mouse for ages, closer to 10 years than 5. I went looking for a replacement on the off chance that this one died and found that they now go for 300$ new in the box!
I'm not sure when it was released, I think in the late 90s, but I've been using the same Logitech iFeel USB mouse since I picked one up for $20 on clearance and it works great. Too bad only a handful of games use the rumble feature though. Weird that it caught on with gamepads but not mice, since many like to use mice for games.
My mouses (sic) tend to last a couple of years. Main reasons are that I buy them on the cheap rather than the proper choice of Logitech/MS product. I'd go for more expensive stuff but then I see the wife clicking with increasing violence and with her indicator finger reaching considerable height before slamming on the buttons when things don't quite work as she expects. Can't wait to get a laptop with a touchscreen to see her punch that Start screen.
My first mouse cost me EUR35, had a huge rubber ball and w
Evoluent vertical mouse (Score:4, Interesting)by niktemadur (793971) on Thursday December 12, 2013 @09:39AM (#45669721)
I've had an Evoluent Vertical Mouse for 6 years now and my wrist has already forgotten why to thank me for it, and see no reason to replace it anytime in the foreseeable future.
I've only had one mouse actually fail on me and that was because the cord became mostly detached. Currently using two different logitech wireless mice on my desktop/laptop. I have to replace the AA battery in each every few months or so.
Until a fancier mouse hits the market.
All my Logitech mouses are still operational when I replace them with a better model and I don't change very often (every 4 years?).
As I suffer from multiple sclerosis, my right hand isn't what it used to be - operating a mouse became incredibly hard, so I switched to a thumb-operated trackball (M570). After a not too long learning period and honing my precision, I am now 100% trackballed.
That said, however, this is actually my third trackball in three years. The first one was a victim of my stupidity: it stopped working on me, I opened it up, found that the battery connectors are so shoddily put together that if you put in a battery en
Out of all the mice I've owned, only a few have actually died. One was a small travel mouse that came with my previous laptop - it lasted about two years, and was actually pretty nice because it had a cord perfectly sized for a laptop (about 40cm long). Eventually the left-click stopped working. I've also had a few ball mice die, but since I ended up with an entire shoebox full of ones that still worked, I never really cared (I eventually just threw them away, because a working ball mouse is still worse tha
I tend to use mine for just a few years before the style either bores me or my usage pattern changes enough to warrant an upgrade.
Way back when (early 90s) I bought inexpensive mice and they'd die after a few months. Since then I bought better quality (e.g. more expensive ones) and they last for a very long time. I have a MSFT USB Intellimouse (optical) from 1998 or so that I used at work until a few months ago when I cut over to a laptop for my daily use. The plastic has gone a bit yellow and I've cleaned it a number of times with rubbing alcohol to get the gunk off.
The original mouse included within the 1968 "(Mother of all demos) Demonstration [stanford.edu]" presented by the inventor, Doug Engelbart.
Computer... Computer? {is handed the mouse and speaks into it} Hello, Computer? (Scotty)
Just use the keyboard. (Dr. Nicolas)
Keyboard? How quaint. (Scotty)
I used a Kensington Expert Pro Mouse trackball at home, a Logitech MX620 wireless mouse for my laptop, and a Logitech S510 wireless mouse at work. I prefer the trackball as it's more precise and takes up less room on my desk.
Way back when I used the keyboard for playing Quake CTF. A bunch of my clan buddies switch to mice and started wiping the floor with my ass. I switch to a mouse but found that it would reach the edge of my desk or roll off the mouse pad (this was before laser mice) at inopportune ti
My favorite mouse is an old Logitech MX LASER. It has built-in rechargeable batteries with a charging stand that also serves as the receiver. This also allows me to put the receiver closer to the mouse Most importantly, it has a PS/2 connector which is pretty hard to come by these days.
Now I just need to get a shark for it.


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- Don't complain about lack of options. You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
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Old cellphones, in my household ...
Technology changes quickly. Old cell phones become incompatible with new networks in about a decade or two. I have a startac from 1998 that only makes analog calls. Analog has been dead for a long time. It isn't like a classic game or computer that are stand alone devices. It absolutely requires a network to be useful. Today's tablets will have the same fate as well as their unupgradable software, abandonded walled gardens, and network dependent features (such as running) go dark.
What percentage of 'old' cellphones kept are older than 2 decades?
Re:Useless (Score:5, Funny)
What percentage of 'old' cellphones kept are older than 2 decades?
Zero. Only new cell phones are kept more than two decades.
A cell phone designed by the slashdot beta team would have tiny buttons on a big white field, and after pressing three buttons, you would have to click to expand the name. No seeing the phone number. And the users who protested would be called neckbeards opposed to change.
by Anonymous Coward
I had a phone like that . It actually had touchpad buttons, a one line LCD screen. Could send SMS messages but the characters looked awful and you could only see 12 at any time.
Re:Useless (Score:4, Interesting)by Hamsterdan (815291) on Monday February 10, 2014 @01:41AM (#46207873)
I still have my Nokia Cityman somewhere. Big old brick of metal that would destroy the stairs if dropped... Real story, It flew out the window once while trying to rest it on my shoulder while driving my '79 Celica GT Coupe back in early '90s. Had to hunt the battery down the street, but apart from some scuffs and nicks (and a slightly bent antenna), it worked fine after being put back together. Those things should have been rated as weapons as they were virtually undestructible. Had an iPhone 3G, probably still in a box somewhere, now using a stupid phone (Moto V360 hacked for 4-bands since Rogers didn't think it was a good idea to let the phone use 850Mhz which penetrates buildings easier) because the battery lasts for an eternity between charges. And most importantly, it's used to make/receive calls. Besides, I'm pretty sure that thing lost about 20% of its mass with all the drops it went trough (and still running like a champ)
Today's tablets will have the same fate as well as their unupgradable software, abandonded walled gardens, and network dependent features (such as running) go dark.
don't know what you mean here. my tablet is largely independent. it depends on the network to download new software and use wifi to access the internet, so these things can go away. but it will be able to run existing software locally presumably until the end of time, or until the LCD bites the dust. it will last much longer than any Tandy or whatever from the 80's.
Depends on how you define old.
True, my old analog phone has long since become a boat anchor, but my first digital phone still works. ( not that i would use it.. ). My (old) 3gs still works too. Its in a drawer as i moved to more open and larger screen androids, but no reason i couldn't shove my sim card back in and be up and running.
All of my tablets can side-load, so i'm not trapped in some walled garden, and besides, even if the world did move on and my 'market' vanished or refused to let me in, it doesn
Re:Useless (Score:4, Informative)
Depends on how you define old.
I defined it as "a phone I've replaced", regardless of the reason it was replaced.
My dad and godfather used to have those Moto Startacs. They would be able to use the phone while we were watching zero bars on our fancy GSM phones. (Unless I'm mistaking, Startacs used AMPS networks, right?)
My concern are some devices that have to activate before being able to be used. What do they do when the activation servers get shut off, and this can be an Apple device, a device needing MotoBlur activation, or some other requirement of having to authenticate against something before the device will function.
My old Motorola Cliq with a custom ROM still functions on my wireless network as a caching DNS even though it has been SIM-less for a long time. Not a big use, but the more data that doesn't have to
Will be interesting to see what happens. The analog-digital switch was a big one, but it happened so long ago now. GSM was introduced in the early 90s, so most people under 35 or so would never owned an analog phone, so even their oldest old mobile phone should still work. My oldest is from 1995 (so, 19 years old!) and it still works perfectly well (2G GSM). Calls, SMS texts and (very slow) data all work. Going into the future, since GSM seems to be remaining backwards compatible through all revisions so fa
The kids love to play with real cell phones with buttons, the older the better. Flip phones are the most fun. The old StarTAC and RAZR phones are the best toys, even better when the batteries work. With iphone/android phones you can still play games if they are still working, otherwise they are just paperweights without buttons,
Re:Old cell phones are kids toys (Score:5, Funny)by quickOnTheUptake (1450889) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:50PM (#46203139)
otherwise they are just paperweights without buttons,
Do most of your paperweights come with buttons?
Do most of your paperweights come with buttons?
Only the old ones.
Re:Old cell phones are kids toys (Score:4, Insightful)by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 09, 2014 @01:23PM (#46203341)
Take care with old phones as kid's toys. Even if they do not include service, they will still have the capability to dial 911 and the emergency services will disapprove of your children calling them with no reason...
I still have an old Razr V3i kicking around. I don't think I will ever own a cooler phone.
My Sony CM Z100 is still one of my favorites. Everyone else was lugging around those flip-bricks with extended NiCd packs that barely lasted 8 hours on standby. My little phone slipped in a pocket and ran 24 hours on a charge.
I've got an old Startac somewhere, I think. It was quite a great phone in it's day. Sounded better than any phone today, long battery life and had a great belt clip that was actually useful. I think I have an old palm phone in my office drawer somewhere, too. That was a piece of crap.
Mine are donated to charity. Battered women shelters hand them out as emergency E911 devices. You don't need an active account to use E911 on an old cellphone.
That and the vibrate function comes in handy.
Drat! Too late now, but should have added that as an option to the poll.
Drat! Too late now, but should have added that as an option to the poll.
You insensitive clod! You neglected to recognize the more knowledgeable of the Slashdot flock! For shame!
Don't worry -
... You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
should have added that as an option to the poll.
The vibrate function?
I was surprised there wasn't an option for selling them. I make a few thousand dollars a year selling old phones for friends and coworkers.
by Anonymous Coward
My wife and I did that with our Verizon cell phones.
When my wife called Verizon to cancel our service (we were a least a year out of contract), she said she wanted to shut the account down move her number and cancel my number - we did not want to move it. Verizon said that they'll move her number to the new service and "suspend" or something like that the other number. My wife thinking it was some sort of BS industry term didn't pursue it with the rep.
Next month a bill for $6 for a "suspended" number.
You don't need an active account to use E911 on an old cellphone.
That and the vibrate function comes in handy.
Indeed. I keep one in the glove compartment of my pickup truck for exactly that purpose. I pull it out every once in a while and put it on the car charger to keep the battery nice and healthy.
Mine are donated to charity. Battered women shelters hand them out as emergency E911 devices. You don't need an active account to use E911 on an old cellphone.
That and the vibrate function comes in handy.
Good for you for donating your old phones. (I think we all should.) But your charitable sentiment was tainted by your last sentence.
But your charitable sentiment was tainted by your last sentence.
Must....resist.... vibrating...taint....jokes....
Why? Because battered women lose all sexuality? Because he made a light-hearted joke about a horrible situation, to perhaps add levity to a grave scenario?
Fuck you and puritanism.
I have an inactive Verizon flip-phone in my hiking gear, just to call 911 in an emergency. My regular cell phone is Sprint, which has much worse coverage away from the cities.
Agree about Sprint's rural coverage being sad. But, for 911 purposes, you aren't helping much. Sprint and Verizon are both CDMA. If you call 911 from a Sprint phone (even a deactivated Virgin Mobile), it will use whatever CDMA network it can find (i.e., typically Verizon or Bell Canada). If you wanted an extra backup 911 phone, I'd suggest a deactivated GSM flip-phone, which would cover the rare instance where the only network is AT&T/T-Mobile/Rogers.
Properly Recycled (Score:4, Insightful)by evenmoreconfused (451154) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @01:25PM (#46203349)
They get separated from their batteries. Batteries and devices get put in separate Tupperware bins, and every year or so the bins are taken to the local recycling center. After that I expect they wind up in the Far East where child labourers get poisoned as they disassemble them.
Re:Properly Recycled (Score:5, Informative)
You can recycle old cell phones with Apple. [apple.com] And that's *any* cell phone, not just iPhones. (It says so right there on the page: "All models and types of cell phones".) You can bring them to an Apple store or fill out the form on that page and they'll send you a free box with prepaid return shipping. They also have links to free recycling programs in 18 states and programs in other parts of the world. They promise "responsible" and "environmentally friendly" disposal.
You can also bring in an old iPod and you'll get 10% off a new one.
Click the link that says "Apple recycles responsibly" to see this:
When you recycle with Apple, your used equipment is disassembled, and key components that can be reused are removed. Glass and metal can be reprocessed for use in new products. A majority of the plastics can be pelletized into a raw secondary material. With materials reprocessing and component reuse, Apple often achieves a 90 percent recovery rate by weight of the original product.
Apple meets the requirements of the Basel Convention on the Control of Transboundary Movements of Hazardous Wastes and Their Disposal. All e-waste collected by Apple-controlled voluntary and regulatory programs worldwide is processed in the region in which it was collected. Our recyclers must comply with all health and safety laws, and we do not allow the use of prison labor. Apple recyclers do not dispose of hazardous electronic waste in solid-waste landfills or incinerators. For an example of the stringent processing and operational controls Apple places on its directly contracted recyclers, read an excerpt from our recycler requirements agreement [PDF].
Tick me one under this option when Cowboy wakes his ass up and puts it in since it was the correct answer.
Yes, it's actually kind of astounding that no-one in the poll-editing crew seems to have considered that anyone might recycle the things. Talk about missing options...
Donate them to your favorite charity (personally I choose The Salvation Army) so they can get the recycling proceeds. Win win in my book.
The best thing about buying an iPhone 4S a couple of years ago is that you can sell it today for 60% of its original price. That's enough to pay for a brand new Nexus 5. Ip
by Anonymous Coward
Old cellphones? In my household?
It's more likely than you think.
Old iPhone (Score:4, Interesting)
All my phones from last 10 years are still around and being used, if I can help it.
iPhone 4 is still very much alive and kicking, used essentially as an iPod/music device/game device/development/whatever. I also take it when I travel to use with foreign SIM cards, to avoid risking newer iPhone 5.
iPhone 3 was also alive until last summer, but unfortunately got stolen during a trip abroad. Sure hope someone is enjoying it. Curiously, thieves in Bangkok were considerate enough to take the phone but leave the wallet that was right next to it in my bag.
Dumb phones:
I had a few "prepaid" Virgin Mobile phones laying around, reactivated and used sporadically for visitors from abroad or as needed. Unfortunately, they had to be discarded ever since Virgin Mobile stopped selling short term prepaid plans (and they cannot be activated directly on Sprint network due to their policy). Too bad, they all worked just fine.
An old Sprint phone has been recently revived and reactivated through one of the non-contract Sprint resellers - give it to kids as a "safety' device.
An old quad-band GSM phone from ATT is a spare, taken abroad to use with local SIM cards sometimes (but lately iPhone does that better).
The only phone I parted with voluntarily in the last 10 years was a Samsung Galaxy (forget which revision). I tried hard to like Android (hoping to develop applications for it, wanted to get some system experience), could not like it though and sold it on eBay.
My mom has an old Motorola brick that she got well over ten years ago for an emergency phone when she and my dad take road trips. The battery is not all that good any more, but she refuses to upgrade to, say, the Verizon pay-as-you-go my dad got for Xmas, lost, and found a couple years later after he was given another one. I think she likes the leather case it's kept in. The only reason why Verizon still supports this ancient brick is because it supports the digital protocol.
Ancient? My oldest cell phone is from 1985. Ten pounds of aluminum, lead-acid battery and first-generation circuitry.
I never got service for it, but I did mod one of its brothers to be the uplink transmitter for my unlicensed radio station fifteen years ago.
Stick around as backup devices (Score:5, Insightful)
for when newer devices get damaged/broken/lost
That's what I do as well. It beats paying for the insurance (which, if you banked, could use to buy a new phone anyways.)
Our local zoo collects old mobile phones to have them disassembled and recycled ethically and responsibly. So far I've handed in 4 or 5 handsets this way.
Some of my former workplaces collected old handsets for disposal, as well as batteries.
We generally hang onto the 'last' generation handset as a backup, and then dispose of it when we next replace the current handset.
Donate them to shelters (Score:4, Informative)by confused one (671304) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @05:14PM (#46205093)We donate our old phones to a local women's shelter. Some groups will reactivate them with pre-paid accounts before handing them out. Others just give them to the people needing aid. The phones will still put through a 911 call if they're not activated...
Women's shelters and animal shelters are where all of my charitable donations (items, money, time) go. Our motorcycle club has poker runs and such to raise money for Home of the Sparrow, a local shelter for women with children escaping (usually abusive) relationships.
Don't know if I'll be coming back after the boycott. Probably like most of us.
Oh please, you'll be back(if you even actually leave) no matter what. Clearly this is just an excuse for you to get attention. I mean, you answered a poll telling everyone it might be your last one....just like a spoiled entitled 14 year old claiming they will quit Facebook.
by Anonymous Coward
Melbourne Zoo makes money from recycling old cellphones or mobile phones as we know them in Australia.
Old cellphones get passed down to me, you insensitive clod!
For many years I was using second hand phones. 2 year old devices out of contract are good enough for me.
That, an I only use unlocked GSM.
My first cell phone (c. 2004) was a hand-me-down of a hand-me-down. It got dumped in recycling when they shut down the cell tower network it relied on.
Second phone was bought new, but close to cheapest available at the time. (It could send and receive text messages!) It got accidentally left in an airport.
Third phone was similarly cheap and new and is my current phone. It has a colour display! And a camera!
I've just been handed-down an Android phone a few days ago but haven't had time to try it out yet.
P.S. In
Poll comments don't work yet on the beta site -- they're on the list of stuff that will be re-implemented. My apologies for the inconvenience.
I don't have any old cell phones, because I don't use cell phones, and I don't want to use cell phones.
I am appalled at how cell phones have made people into zombies.
They walk the streets very slowly with eyes focused on their tiny screens, stopping in street corners, in narrow entryways, in pathways in the supermarket and sometimes suddenly in front of me. They are a nuisance.
I once saved one of these zombie-women from being run-over by a train when she while texting walked out into a railroad crossing jus
"I am appalled at how cell phones have made people into zombies."
That aren't.
"They walk the streets very slowly with eyes focused on their tiny screens,"
They? Who is 'they'? are you saying all phone owner, or some people?
A few people not paying attention means all cell phones make people Zombies?
And this begs the question who are you to determine they should behave like you claim? Maybe they are sick of you pushing past them like you own the damn walkway.
" Science has still not concluded enough for me that
But then I got tired of seeing people tweeting/chatting/posting-single-stupid-detail-of-their-lives everywhere: restaurants, buses, parks, and I was becoming like them, and it was sad. So I downgraded it to an even fancier Nokia 1100 [wikipedia.org]. Can't be happier.
I'm looking for a cheap slider for my Dad (which has to work on a particular network) to downgrade him back to a phone he actually liked.
You can still buy a few bar-phones, but they are garbage. And you can get flip-phones, which he hates. But for some reason there's no cheap prepaid sliders anymore.
Yeah, stupid people communicating with people who follow them. Clearly we should all sit in isolation and just stare at the nearest wall.
You should tell them all what the proper thing to talk about.
. . . I should have one really soon now . . .
I've sold my last three or four handsets to recycling companies in Australia (Mazuma [mazumamobile.com.au] has been fine fwiw). Got over $100 for my old Samsung S2 a couple of months back and put it toward a new tablet.
Obviously older handsets aren't worth as much / theoretically can be worthless if the parts are useless, but hey, I figure someone may as well be using the materials somehow - better than the phone just lying around useless at home.
Verizon and other carriers have bins where cellphones can be repurposed by women's shelters and other worthy organizations. That's where all of my old cell phones go--even for a cheapskate like me, who only replaces a phone when it dies.
by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @09:40PM (#46206847)
I want to be responsible environmentally, so I hold onto our old phones with the intent of recycling them.
In practice, though, what it's meant is we still have cell phones from the late 1990s in a box on the shelf.
Where's the option to sell older phones? We sell very old phones for spares and repairs, and newer phones still have some market value (e.g. my SGS2 that I sold last year.) I thought this was a common practice.
A 2 year old iPhone can usually be sold for $200, which is the same price as a new, on contract, iPhone. I just sell the old one every two years on eBay and get a new "free" one. I'm on a plan at work, so my contract price for unlimited data and talk is $50/month, and I don't pay it anyway.
I think the high resale value is one of the two advantages of an iPhone over an Android phone.
The other advantage is being able to deal with Apple, rather than a carrier, when there's a hardware problem.
I have a Nokia. They last forever, and never become 'old phones'. They stay alright as long as I will.
Project parts (Score:4, Interesting)
Project parts. It's a nice source of little pieces which can be retasked to other uses. Displays, speakers, vibration module, battery, backlights if they don't get used, capacitive or resistive touch input, if it happens to be integrated with the screen module because it's new enough, little speakers, little microphones, wireless or cellular modules, if they're separate components, jacks and USB and other connectors. 802.11 and GSM antennas, Cases, if you want something that looks like a cell phone, but actually isn't.
One thing I've been more or less wanting to do is a fooseball table, where the little men are really old iPhones with pictures of little men on the screen who make grunting noises when they're the one to kick things, and make various faces, and scream in fear "whoaoaoaoaoa!" if you spin the bar instead of playing correctly, etc.. The only thing in the way at this point is the tig welding needed to attach the cases to the bars, and a couple more first generation iPhones.
One thing I've been wanting to do is a fooseball table, where the little men are really old iPhones with pictures of little men on the screen who make grunting noises when they're the one to kick things, and make various faces, and scream in fear "whoaoaoaoaoa!" if you spin the bar
You shall make for an interesting Bond villain, my friend.
Yup, given away here...
What I consider an old phone is generally still a useful device, leaving them sitting around deteriorating when not in use helps nobody and it's not really worth the hassle of selling them on and having potential idiots bring them back because they can't use them / dropped them in the bath / put them through the wash etc.
by XxtraLarGe (551297) on Monday February 10, 2014 @09:42AM (#46209333) JournalIn the past, after wiping them, I've donated them to charity. Here's a list of places that will take them [howstuffworks.com], some of them will even send you plastic postage-paid return envelopes.
Over the last dozen years I've had almost as many no longer used cell phones turn into toys. While they are young they don't care that they don't turn on, they just have a cell phone.
I am building a house of of bricked phones. so far I have 8 square feet of wall. I haven't mortared it yet.
First I wipe all the data. Then do it again for good measure. Then I disassemble the entire thing and find anything that could possibly include any digital memory. I then smash it with a hammer until it is little tiny bits (no pun intended) and I burn the bits.
That isn't what I actually do. That is what I tell myself I'm going to do with it one day. In truth I'm guilty of #3 like most people.
by SleazyRidr (1563649) on Monday February 10, 2014 @04:23PM (#46212107)
The first comment sounds like an offensive cockney: "Get tossed! I only replace my phone when it's broken, not whenever a new one comes out like some namby-pamby tosser!"
I have a classic car which dates back to the days of the Dynatac. I had one installed in a hands-free kit and just left it there when the analog network went dark.
Its still a conversation piece. I've seen people looking in the car and figured they were admiring it for its age and condition. Then they say, "Cool phone. Haven't seen one of those for years."
I donate mine. Once in a while I get a bag that lets me ship them off to be reused for military purposes or for abuse victims.
After 2 years for about 1/3 of their original price.
And I can buy a new for almost half of the shop price(due to write off from my salary before taxes) so it is a good deal for me.
It would be way to expensive to buy otherwise and not really worth it.
I sell my iphones for 1/3 cost after 2 yrs and buy a new one for 1/3 cost. Mostly breaking even due to forced subsides built into very high monthly contract costs. glad to see that changing here.
I RTN the device back to factory defaults, then re-install whatever version of android is the latest rooted image, and drop the phone into the local phone donations box. Since I change my phone pretty often someone will get a pretty nice phone. My Galaxy S3 I donated when I switched to the Galaxy S4 had been in an Otterbox it's whole life and was for all inventive purposes was brand new as will be my GS4 when I switch to whatever they finally come out with that is better, not bigger, but better. So far all
I have them nicely displayed on the wall of my office. My 1984 Motorola is my pride of my collection.
I donate mine to a charity [cellphones...ldiers.com].
I have a handful of 'old' phones sitting around. Most are 2G (or 2.5G at best) dumb phones. I leave them around for guests from overseas to use. I have family in America so for the most part, their 'home' phones are network locked. So when they arrive, they can buy a cheap pre-paid SIM and I lend them an old phone to use for a few weeks.
The newest 'old' phone I have sitting around is an iPhone 4 which I keep a travel SIM in for when I'm travelling overseas. My main/current phone is network unlocked of cours
surprised to not see the "I sell them" option floating around, I usually get around $200 to $300 per phone.
Any old Android phones work GREAT as WiFi surveilance cameras. With the IP Webcam app [google.com] installed, not only can you connect with a browser and view the 640x480 streaming MJPEG video, but you can hit a button to get a full-resolution still anytime you want, and can turn the light/flash on/off as desired.
You can have some always-on computer (or DD-WRT WiFi router with connected USB hard drive) archiving this streaming video feed, OR you can utilize the built-in storage (perhaps a 32GB SDHC card) to do the DVR part right on the device, and have a 2-week archive constantly cycling around. You could even combine the two, and just periodically rsync the video archive, if your WiFi is patchy or similar. And your phone gives you two-way audio like an intercom, if desired.
While a WiFi camera isn't very expensive, your old phone can potentially do MORE, and is free. Plus the built-in battery means it'll keep going for several hours between power outages without buying a UPS. It doesn't even matter if your old phone's screen is shattered.
You could also glue one to your car's dash as an MP3 player, and (poor) offline navigation app with "OsmAnd~". It wouldn't hurt to have one hooked-up to your home stereo system, either, which you can wirelessly sync your music files to, and use as either an MP3 player or a white noise generator.
And you should be careful when giving away old phones for E911 use... Sprint has disconnected their iDEN network, and other 2G networks may soon be disappearing, or coverage areas changing. Without service, you won't realize you've got no network coverage, until you dial 911 in an emergency and find that you're out of luck.
My 10 year old uses them to play games. When she's older she'll get her own phone, but for now our she gets our hand-me-downs (with no service).
Smartphones get reused as webserver. After all a smartphone is a full featured computer with full networking so you can run most server daemons on it, httpd, dns, ftpd, sshd, bt-tracker, etc.


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if you haven't played this course you are missing one of the crown jewels of our area.
It is long, but you still have to bring your short game to compete.
if you haven't played this course you are missing one of the crown jewels of our area.
It is long, but you still have to bring your short game to compete.
I wish I could have played this course in good health or back when I could crush. It was still big fun though. Just riding the golf cart was a blast. the cart path has alot of elevation change. I think the best part was when I threw a second drive to get into the fairway, can't remember what hole it was but the two worlds of golf came together like magic.
Well said BWest
Me and my son played English for the 1st time today . What a crazy way to play disc golf in a cart. I don't know if we shot well or not J.d. shot a 64 and I shot 68 with a eagle on 13.What a great course worth every penny of the cost to play.
What did it cost to play per person? and did you have to make a tee time? would like to go out there this week before i go out of town and cant get info on price. Thanks
It's 20$ for all day.. or until your arm falls off. I'd make a tee time.
Thanks I will try to do that but the number on the site 800 isnt in order so i called the pdga contact number and it didnt give me the contact persons voice mail so Ill continue to look for a valid phone number to do so. Thanks again I have read alot about it and heard nothing but good things so im gonna try to go asap
Well if you show up they won't turn you away... especially if your in a small group. (4 or less) The disc golfers seem to move faster than the ball golfers. They'll be very welcoming for sure.
How do they have the baskets set up in relation to the ball golf holes? Do holes play similarly, or are the disc holes completely different layout-wise from the ball holes?
The baskets are not setup on the greens (this would damage them of course) but they are generally off to the side or close too where the greens would be. I believe the greens and sand traps all play OB as well as the water of course.
You do however tee off from the same spots that the ball golfers do, so all of the tee pads are natural.
I can't wait to play this tomorrow in tandem with some ball golfers.
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Rochas Man.
I just smelled Paco Rabanne 1 Million and it reminded me that I do not have any cold weather scents. I liked 1 million, although I don't know if it is right for me. I have also tried and liked A*Men Pure Malt...a lot.
Are there any other DESIGNER scents out there that you guys would lump in with these two as gourmand-ish warm scents that would work well in cold weather?
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Rochas Man.
Hugo Boss Soul
Jacomo de Jacomo Rouge
Rochas Desir
Issey Miyake Bleue (is not a gourmand..but, is a terribly underrated release)
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Another vote for Rochas Man.
Guelain L'Instant is another I'd say fits this description.
A* Men
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5. Francois Charles by Rance 1795
6. Puro Intense by Nejma
7. Usiku by Jo Wood Organics
8. New York by Parfums de Nicolai
9. Dia For Men by Amouage
10. Silver Mountain Water by Creed
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+1 L'Instant de Guerlain Pour Homme. Not a straight-up gourmand to my nose, but definitely a great scent.
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Another for Rochas Man!
Also, though not necessarily gourmand, but possibly gourmand-ish, I'd suggest CK Intense Euphoria Men and Gucci Envy.
"I don't know what the different scents is. I just know what I like." -- Sephora SA
I would of course go with the original A*Men (Therry Mugler). Rochas Man is "nice", though, just a bit milky-way for me. Too romantic, if you want. A*Men takes no prisoners! (How I like this English phrase.)
Jacomo's new "Man" (or "Silver") is mild but not a weakling. Pineapple, coffee, amber, plum, and mild pepper. I find myself reaching for it more than the other gourmands when I want a gourmand. Also, Dunhill Desire (red) for men is another one that doesn't get as much discussion here on BN as frags like A*Men or Rochas Man, but it's one I prefer by a wide margin over those two.
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I would have to say YSL, Opium. Now, if you can get your hands on the EDP version then that is even better because it, to my nose, smells much deeper than the EDT. I feel like the EDT, albeit fantastic, is a tad watered down when compared with the EDP. But please do not get me wrong the EDT is still fantastic and very strong - it can clear a room or even drop an elephant from 50 yards away.
I also like A*MEN alot better than Rochas Man. I feel like RM smells a bit plasticy and much cheaper than A*MEN. Maybe I am nuts though because RM is a beloved fragrance.
Pure Malt A*Men
Best version of A*men
I was gonna suggest Farenheit Absolute , not sure if its a gourmand but I would suggest its perfect for the winter
Bond New Haarlem (niche)
or maybe Givenchy Play Intense
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Delices d'Epices-Les Belles de Ricci
Winter Delice-Guerlain
Jil-Jil Sander-don't know if this is still available.
Gucci Envy.
To my nose Polo Double Black has a bit of cool mango to it, as well, but the dominant impression is of warm spices, coffee and maybe a touch of tobacco. A really luxurious fall scent.
B*men is nice and warm.It has a peanut-ish smell to it. Its comforting and not as off putting as A*men. Cheap too
Top 5 in rotation: Dior Homme, Pure Malt, Egoiste, Gucci Envy, Platinum Egoiste
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Pure Malt is the best winter gourmand IMO
Rochas Man, if you want a great lavenderish gourmand
Lolita Lempicka au Masculin, havent tried this one yet, but heard good things about it
Givenchy Play Intense, very nice gourmandish smell (its not an intenser version of Play)
Opium Ph, Givenchy Very Irresistible.
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Dior Homme Intense eau de parfum..........ah.
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Another one for Opium ph
+1 for Dior Homme Intense and Opium PH.
I would add Animale Animale for Men for a deep, warm scent full of bergamot, chocolate, vanilla and sandalwood. It can be found for cheap, as well.
All in all, if I had to choose a good cheapie that will warm me up, i would go for AA.:toppie:
Definitely Bond No 9's new fragrance Andy Warhol Success is a Job In New York. It is a spicy-oriental, very gourmand and rich making it a perfect winter fragrance..
Since you said "warm" I was going to say A Men Pure Malt too. It's a gourmand but it's also decidedly warm and masculine. I think of Rochas or JPG Le Male, fore example, as more cool scents due to the vanilla. I saw Opium PH mentioned which wouldn't be a bad choice either especially if you can find it for dirt cheap. I haven't tried Animale Animale but I've heard lots of comparisons to A Men so if you can find it cheap it may be worth consideration.
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No thanks
I second Animale Animale, Angel and Rochas Man.
Jo Malone-Black Vetyver Cafe, Bond No. 9 New Haarlen, Bond No. 9 So New York, Bond No.9 Chinatown.
How about the delightfully sweet, yet not exactly gourmand--Tom Ford Tabacco Vanille---so nice.
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Rochas Man, or Hanae Morie, though they are too popular here :P
Thierry Pure Malt, or Pure Coffee will be the best choice.
Another vote for A*Men. It is a fantastic scent for when the temperature drops.
I'd also say that Dior Homme is a fine one as well. Both of these get heavy play in wintertime.
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Bvlgari Black? Half gourmand (vanilla and tea) and half really really really not (rubber and leather).
Not familiar with 1 Million and I pretty much hate all Mugler's creations... but as far as warm gourmandish scents go: try L'Occitane Eau des Beaux. Not a gourmand note in sight in the pyramid, but I swear it reads as a soft gourmand oriental - very nice indeed.
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If anyone's really curious about Animale Animale, Perfumania is selling it for $20 bucks through Nov. 9th or something. I think it works but it can be dangerously cloying if used unsparingly. However, it doesn't strike me as a winter scent because of the citrus fruits in the top.
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givenchy play / intense
polo double black
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Lolita Lempicka au Masculin and Polo Double Black are also fantastic imho.
Also try Gucci edp (the original brown juice)--it's pour femme, but wonderfully rich, dark orange-vanilla that is completely unisex.
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Last edited by KMF; 28th October 2009 at 03:09 PM.
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1. Eau Noire Cologne by Christian Dior
2. Lumière Noire pour Homme by Maison Francis Kurkdjian
3. New Haarlem by Bond No. 9
4. Chergui by Serge Lutens Les Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido
5. Francois Charles by Rance 1795
6. Puro Intense by Nejma
7. Usiku by Jo Wood Organics
8. New York by Parfums de Nicolai
9. Dia For Men by Amouage
10. Silver Mountain Water by Creed
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It's spring and 25 degree C today here in Australia, and I'm planning on going dancing tonight, and I've got Dior Homme on today... It's also one of my faves anyway, and it gets heavy play in wintertime, but I imagine I can continue wearing it until the weather hits 30C.
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Animale Animale
Rochas Man
A*Men Pure Coffee
I never really considered myself a gourmand lover but apparently I am when i survey my collection! Here's some winter options that i absolutely love:
Musc Ravageur - legend.
Hanae Mori EDP - this is my latest obsession. EDP not EDT.
Jaipur EDP - more oriental than gourmand, but has edible notes and vanilla. Luxurious.
Lolita Lempicka - its bold and black licoricey.
Kenzo Jungle Elephant for women - Holy Cow this stuff is outrageous, and unapologetic. To this day it's the compliment king for me because i got 4 compliments in 30 minutes when i walked into work wearing this. Problem is that its toooo strong an cloying. apply sparingly, young Jedi.You will smell it for days.
Dunhill Desire - let others mock you. This cheap frag gets lotsa comments. How can you not try something that mixes green apple and lime into a vanilla frag?
I want to throw in Musc Ravageur. On me at least, it's less musk and more gourmand. I get heavy cinnamon/cloves with a hint of musk.
Chanel Egoiste
Caron 3ieme Homme
Givenchy Very Irresistable
I would highly recommend to you that you try Ignition by Lomani!