text: Items 25 to 48 of 167 total View 12 / 24 / 48 Previous 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 ... 7 Next Really durable and complete. By Felix on 8/1/2014 Felix would recommend this product to a friend I prefer to run 2 singles than a dual, that way i can shut one off at a time to change media. These are great quality and really impressed with small ball valve and tubing. I'm pretty ruff with these and they hold up great. Really complete out of the box to connect to plumbing of your choice. simple no frills reactor that just plain works By Ricky on 7/16/2014 Ricky would recommend this product to a friend I have three of these on my tanks and they are perfect for the job in the tank room. Less than 1/4 cost of other reactors I've used and a lot easier than some for maintenance. These will be used exclusively in our coral farm operation coming up this year. Easy setup works great By MMM923 on 6/24/2014 MMM923 would recommend this product to a friend When i decided to upgrade my refugium I figured why not add a carbon reactor. I mean after all who enjoys rinsing carbon filling a bag (as it drips across the floor) and hoping that you are getting it enough flow? Water was clear with this method but with the reactor it is MUCH more clear. The unit it sturdy, hoses could be a little longer but most people could get away with the 2 3ft lengths. I am happy with my purchase however I think about the times I have "cheaped" out in this hobby and it always bites me - for a few bucks more I could have had the dual... Oh well, the single and dual are priced cheap enough so unlike many other times I have "cheaped" out this time wont cost me as much. Im the past I could rinse nearly any brand of carbon and it always seemed to have "fines" in it. This reactor hooked to a maxi 1200 took less than 1 gallon of water to go from black to grey to clear (just like they show in the video). Great product BRS! Awesome Reactor By Michael on 6/17/2014 Michael would recommend this product to a friend Run a mix of GFO and activated carbon, will most likely upgrade to sister model of duel reactors once I get a bigger tank. Must have for all your water clarity needs! Great Product By Dave on 5/31/2014 Dave would recommend this product to a friend I'm incredibly happy with my reactor. It's versatile and extremely effective. I saw a major difference in my water quality by the next day. Easy to put together and easy to refill. I'm going to buy a couple more for my other tanks. Like a tank By Taia on 5/21/2014 Taia would recommend this product to a friend BRS keeps up the heavy duty theme! This really pleased me with how heavy it is, it feels like a drop to a tile floor wouldn't even faze it. The kit is well thought out, easy to assemble, and includes everything you'll need. I didn't buy the version with the pump, but I'm sure it would be just as sturdy. The quick connects make me wish they came in larger sizes so I could plumb my whole tank that way. Whatever you do, don't misplace the wrench! It's really hard to get the lid off with out it, that being said, it also doesn't leak a drop. Heavy By Devon on 5/19/2014 Devon would recommend this product to a friend This is just a filter canister from the BRS RO units. The outer canister is very heavy. The included tubing is not very flexible. I would definitely recommend using a Cobalt MJ1200 with this filter. It is much less loud than a Mag Drive 3 and the flow is fine. Loud maxijet but good reactor By Christopher on 5/12/2014 Christopher would recommend this product to a friend This was my first reactor I have ever used and my only complaint is the maxijet being loud every now and then. Every week or so I get a pretty decent vibrating noise out of it but other than that this thing works really well. Nice Reactor, Great Results, Pump is a Bit Strong By Woodrow on 5/6/2014 Woodrow would recommend this product to a friend Regarding effectiveness: I purchased the reactor to battle a sudden (but persistent) onslaught of algae. Within two weeks, I no longer had algae growing on the sand. As an extra bonus, several of my SPS and LPS started growing much more quickly as well. I've had the reactor running about a month or so, and the tank continues to improve. Great stuff! Regarding the product quality: The reactor is built nicely, and the kit comes with everything you need to get set up. My one (minor) complaint is that the included pump seems way overpowered. I have to throttle the valve back to the almost closed position to keep the GFO from tumbling like crazy. With the valve closed that much, I have some concern about the pump's longevity. That is, however, a minor concern. Great! By Shawna on 5/1/2014 Shawna would recommend this product to a friend This reactor is easy to set up and use, water is as clear as can be. Thanks BRS for another great product. Great product By Ante on 4/28/2014 Ante would recommend this product to a friend This is another awesome product by BRS. Easy wet up and well built. Remover if you when you run the reactor or punt new media in it to was the media out so no dust get into your display Great and can't beat the price! By Monica on 4/25/2014 Monica would recommend this product to a friend I was buying chemipure elite every few months and realized it's cheaper if I buy a reactor and some carbon and gfo. Well I did and haven't regretted it since. Great construction, no leaks, can take a licking if it bangs up against ur stand or where ever u place it. Easy to use and I just love it. Excellent! By Eli on 4/3/2014 Eli would recommend this product to a friend Reactor is extremely well built and you can't lose at that price. Great option for a reactor. Great Product By Nicholas on 3/25/2014 Nicholas would recommend this product to a friend I run GFO/Carbon together and this product makes it very easy to have them tumbling accordingly. I would highly recommend this! I like it! By Steve on 3/19/2014 Steve would recommend this product to a friend I love the BRS reactor, it's well built and seems to be made to last - the cartridge though is just OK. I don't like how difficult it is to get the top off. The little pin sticking out of the top is not very easy to get a good grip on and I hate using tools to pull on it for fear of it breaking. Having said that, I still think it's worth 4 stars! great for the money! By Kris on 3/18/2014 Kris would recommend this product to a friend I bought just the reactor, no pump. I have three of these now that I use for various media. I really like them and the price is right! Very helpful unit By Jake on 3/13/2014 Jake would recommend this product to a friend I was having an issue with cyano bacteria. Thankfully, after doing some research, I came across this nifty unit. Not only is it well priced but I love the fact that it is bulk reef supplies own model because you know when you are buying something from them, it'll be a quality product. Love the adjustable features as well as the online calculator, that makes for a perfect gfo system! Good Reactor, beware of pump By Bryan on 3/7/2014 Bryan would recommend this product to a friend The reactor does what it should. The MJ1200 pump however went out in three months. My advice is to get the reactor, buy your own pump. Good, but not perfect... By Michael on 3/2/2014 Michael would recommend this product to a friend So, these things are pretty awesome. I have to admit that I haven't used any of the other skimmer models (other than the aqua-gadget for the Nani Nuvo 16), but this thing is inexpensive and easy to use. It is a little cumbersome if you don't trim any excess to your hoses, and even then you might want to buy some elbow fittings to make it easier to place the pump and return where you want. No biggie, though. The reason it gets three stars is because with every one of these that I own, only half of the cartridge gets flow. When I tumble GFO I can only get stuff on one side moving. This makes me wonder if I'm not utilizing all the GFO I'm using, and that's a big waste of money...and extremely irritating. This is something that BRS should address, either by letting us know that it's no by deal and the flow seems greater on the intake side, or lets us know it's not supposed to do that so I know o get a replacement cartridge. Great product! By barby on 2/24/2014 barby would recommend this product to a friend Product is very easy to install and I recommend it as it has eliminated 95% of the algae problem I had in my tanks. I have recently purchased #2 more. Thank you!!! Built to last By Bryan on 2/3/2014 Bryan would recommend this product to a friend Very easy to install the single reactor using my own pump. Comes with valve (which you will need) and all plumbing which makes a hassle free install. great By kevin on 1/19/2014 kevin would recommend this product to a friend this is a great reactor i use it for my gfo simple to setup and use Cheap price, cheap product By Dan on 1/18/2014 Dan wouldn't recommend this product to a friend Bought 2 of these pumps and reactors to run GFO in 2 of my 4 tanks. As of start up both pumps were working fine. Within 24 hours one of the pumps already crapped out. I had to go to my LFS and I grabbed a marine land pump which is working great. The 2nd pump yes is still working, but its loud and vibrates. I've tried a few different location installs in my sump but its still noticeably loud. And I mean noticeable. The reactor is great though. Price is great on the reactors. They are sturdy and easy to mount. I love BRS but please get rid of these garbage pumps. I'd rather spend a little more money for a quality pump that doesn't break within a day or vibrate my whole tank sump and stand Awesome reactor kit By Vince on 1/14/2014 Vince would recommend this product to a friend I bought this single reactor kit for my 29 Biocube. I had some issues opening up the media canister but after a quick call to customer service I was told to pry one of the tabs with a flat head screw driver and it popped it right off! Another consideration is the amount of tubing included is perfect if you are mounting this in a sump, if you do not have a sump I recommend getting extra tubing to reach your tank, I ended up getting around 12 feet to run the reactor in my BC29 stand make sure you get the MUR-LOK brand tubing from this site or you WILL get leaks! Do not try to use large airline tubing it WILL leak, I also recommend the black colored tubing for added looks. I suggest a the Cobalt MJ1200 pump filters Write Your Own Review You're reviewing: BRS GFO & Carbon Reactor - Single *How do you rate this product? *Would you recommend this product to a friend? Yes No *Nickname *Summary of Your Review *Review Submit Review


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Akron (2-6; 1-3 Mid-American Conference) took a 7-0 lead with 12:09 to go in the first quarter off a 2-yard run by Jawon Chisholm. The play was set up when the Zips blocked a punt and recovered the ball on the RedHawks' 13-yard line. It took just four plays to capitalize on the field position.
Miami (0-7; 0-3 MAC) evened the game when senior quarterback Austin Boucher hit junior wide receiver David Frazier in the back of the endzone at the 4:36 mark of the first quarter. A sophomore Kaleb Patterson extra point knotted the game, 7-7.
With seconds to go in the second quarter, it looked as if Akron would break the stalemate heading into halftime. After Akron's Fransohn Bickley caught an 11-yard pass, freshman safety Jay Mastin forced a fumble just before the goal line, and sophomore linebacker Josh Dooley recovered it in the endzone with 11 seconds to go. Miami took a knee to run out the half.
The Zips broke open the game with Chisholm touchdown runs of 8 and 1 yards at 11:35 and 7:18 in the third quarter. A 19-yard field goal by Akron's Robert Stein at 8:19 in the fourth quarter extended the Zips' lead to 24-7.
Boucher launched a 44-yard touchdown pass to junior receiver Dawan Scott with 4:49 to go to cap a nine-play, 83-yard drive that pulled Miami within 10 of the Zips, 24-14.
After recovering an onside kick, Patterson booted a career-long 52-yard field goal with 1:27 to go to pull the RedHawks to within seven of Akron.
Senior defensive back Dayonne Nunley led all players with 11 tackles, including a game-high seven solo stops. Boucher finished 23-for-34 for 226 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. Frazier led the RedHawks with nine catches for 76 yards and a touchdown.
Miami hits the road for a 2 p.m. Battle of the Bricks game at long-time Mid-American Conference rival Ohio on Saturday, Oct. 26.

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Tackling an ocean menace
Researchers determined that the Northwest die-off that began in 2005 was triggered by low-pH seawater along the West Coast. This ocean acidification, caused largely by fossil fuels and the uptake of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, is strafing the state's marine economy. It's a complex, colossal mess, unseen unless you own an oyster farm or have a thing for pH testing paper.
Thanks to the work of a state panel co-chaired by Bill Ruckelshaus and Jay Manning, a few regional fixes are now on the table (Forgive the governor for calling it a "blue-ribbon panel." The overuse of that term makes it tough to distinguish the real from the cosmetic.) The panel's recommendations are area-specific and provide a more manageable blueprint than getting the world to abruptly stop using gas and coal.
Adapting and remediating for ocean acidification is one key strategy -- essentially damage management. Suggestions include developing commercial-scale hatchery designs and water-treatment methods to safeguard larvae along with planting additional vegetation in upland areas.
Other components include reducing local, land-based contributors such as organic carbon and nutrient runoff. That will require some planning changes and perhaps a tweak to the holy grail of land use, the Growth Management Act (GMA.) The GMA limits sewage-system infrastructure in rural areas adjacent to water even though septic systems often contribute to acidification.
Investigating and monitoring causes and effects are critical. On Tuesday, Gov. Chris Gregoire signed an executive order that includes directing the Department of Ecology to work with the University of Washington to conduct technical analysis on the acidification fallout and how to tackle it.
Washington is now the first state to declare war on ocean acidification. Northwesterners excel at engineering, from Dreamliners to floating bridges, but the magnitude of seawater acidification is a whale. A piecemeal approach, ideally duplicated by Oregon, California and British Columbia, is a first step.
Rep. Norma Smith, Republican of Clinton who served on the panel, expressed some reservations. "We must continue to be cognizant of potential added costs and burdens imposed on our farmers, small-business owners, local governments and our communities," Smith said in a statement.
Smith's concerns are analogous to the costs associated with salmon restoration as well. Washingtonians will pay now or pay later, as the West Coast recalibrates for a (literal) sea change.
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The Voss Inn Bed & Breakfast
Our Bozeman, Montana bed & breakfast is truly a Victorian "home away from home" for people who enjoy fine lodging, personal service and hospitality. Voss Inn is close to the best of the Bozeman area. The Inn is only three blocks from downtown shops, galleries and restaurants, eight blocks from Montana State University and a mile from the Museum of the Rockies. By car, you're only 15 minutes from excellent Gallatin River fly fishing, 15 miles from Bridger Bowl Ski Resort and eight miles from Bozeman Hot Springs. Also closeby are Big Sky Ski Resort (40 mi), Three Forks and the Headwaters of the Missouri River (45 mi) and Yellowstone National Park (90 mi).
Our inn is a circa 1883 Victorian mansion furnished entirely in antiques in an elegant, yet comfortable Victorian style. Located on Bozeman's most prominent historical residential street, the Inn is within easy walking distance of downtown shops and restaurants, Montana State University and the Museum of the Rockies.
We offer six elegant guest rooms, each with private bath, quality linens, and period antiques. Here you can relax in comfortable surroundings and enjoy a style of gracious living reminiscent of an earlier time.
The Voss Inn is the perfect place to stay while traveling to Bozeman for business. Free wireless internet and in-room sitting areas make catching up on your work easy, plus downtown convention locations are just within walking distance.


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More cameras
To provide photographers with a broader perspective about mobiles, lenses and cameras, here are links to articles, reviews, and analyses of photographic equipment produced by DxOMark, renown websites, magazines or blogs.
Olympus has unveiled an updated Mark II version of their hugely popular OM-D E-M5 mirrorless hybrid camera.Continuing to feature a 16Mp Micro-Four-Thirds sensor, the new Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II offers enhanced image stabilization, a new 40Mp high-resolution image stitching mode, and the refined build quality of its predecessor — but with enhanced handling capabilities.
In this second installment of lens recommendations for the Nikon D810, we've been analyzing the best performing models for landscape and wildlife photography. Admittedly when it comes to fast-paced photography there are better choices in Nikon's range but there's always a case for high-resolution imagery but the Nikon D810 also serves to highlight the best performing models, and particularly in the longer focal lengths where it's more common (and often more practical) to use cameras with lower pixel densities.
Nikon's mid-term refresh of the firm's hugely popular D800 and D800E models resulted in a single model, the D810. Like the D800E it aims to maximize the resolution of the full-frame 36-Mpix CMOS sensor and omits a modified AA filter completely. We've analyzed the image quality of over 100 different lenses mounted to the new camera to discover how well this new model performs.
Nikon have launched a new full frame FX 'consumer' DSLR. Representing a new product line, the new Nikon D750 sits between Nikon's full frame consumer D610 and professional D810 DSLR and shares features and specs from both models. Featuring a 'newly designed' 24.3Mp sensor we look ahead to see how it might perform.
Launched a little over 2-years ago, the first Zeiss Otus model was a triumph in optical and mechanical perfection, and now Zeiss has added a second model to the range, and high speed 85mm with a heady mix of six anomalous dispersion glass elements, one asphere and a floating system to reduce aberrations at close range. Read on to see how well this new exotic model performs.
Nikon has enjoyed phenomenal success with both the Nikon D800 and D800E models, and particularly so with latter model with its unusual optical low-pass filter that cancels out the anti-aliasing effects. So it comes as little surprise to see the usual mid-term update, the D810, consolidates the two by offering a newly developed full-frame 36-Mpix sensor without optical low pass filter. We've had the opportunity to put the new camera through its paces this summer in our Paris-based labs. Read on to find out how well the sensor in this new revamped model performs.
Aimed at professional studio and landscape photographers, the full-frame 36-Mpix D800E with its modified AA filter effectively increasing resolution over the standard D800 model is the closest 35mm full-frame camera yet to rival larger formats in rendering fine detail. If you're undecided over which of the two models to choose, we've analyzed the image quality of the Nikon D800E with over 100 different lenses to discover how well this groundbreaking camera performs.
Aimed at professional studio and landscape photographers, the full-frame 36-Mpix D800E with its modified AA filter effectively increasing resolution over the standard D800 model is the closest 35mm full-frame camera yet to rival larger formats in rendering fine detail. If you're undecided over which of the two models to choose, we've analyzed the image quality of the Nikon D800E with over 100 different lenses to discover how well this groundbreaking camera performs.
Aimed at professional studio and landscape photographers, the full-frame 36-Mpix D800E with its modified AA filter effectively increasing resolution over the standard D800 model is the closest 35mm full-frame camera yet to rival larger formats in rendering fine detail. If you're undecided over which of the two models to choose, we've analyzed the image quality of the Nikon D800E with 100 different lenses to discover how well this groundbreaking camera performs.
At less than half the price of the marginally wider, slightly faster Zeiss 24-70mm f4, this in-house Sony model looks like a tempting alternative, but can it meet the demands of the high-resolution sensor in the A7R? Read on to find out.
Following the recent review of the Canon mount model we've had the opportunity to test the Nikon mount version of ultra-high speed Samyang 24mm F1.4 prime. Unlike the Canon version this model has a built-in CPU for full compatibility with the various exposure and metering modes. It also has a fully automatic aperture. Read on to find out how well the Samyang performs in our tests and if that or a rival model is the best choice for Nikon FX users.
Nikon's mid-term revision to their flagship full-frame D4 series camera includes an updated 16-Mpix CMOS sensor and the new Expeed 4 processor amongst a raft of other, mostly subtle refinements. Read on to find out how the new top-of-the-range model performs.
The highly configurable RED Epic Dragon is the latest version of the firm's original Epic-M Digital Still and Motion Camera (DSMC). Although we are more used to analyzing still cameras at DxOMark, we've had a unique opportunity to assess RAW output from a prototype using all of our usual industry standard tests. As the results were extraordinary, we thought we would share the findings. Read on to find out how this high-performance sensor performs.
The Zeiss Sonnar T* FE 35mm f2.8 is a compact moderate wide-angle lens designed for the full-frame mirrorless Sony Alpha A7 and A7R. But with only a moderate-speed f2.8 maximum aperture and an $800 price tag, optical performance has to be first rate. Read on to find out if that's the case.
Debuted alongside the Sony Alpha A7 and A7R, the Sonnar T* FE 55mm f1.8 may sound rather conventional and unexciting on paper, but with a Zeiss badge and at close to $1,000, is it capable of offering extraordinary image quality? Read on to find out.
Sigma are well known for their accessibly priced models and at just under $1,100 the 150-500mm f5-6.3 APO seems like a promising alternative to the premium offerings from the camera makers. Although one of the older models in the firm's range now, does it still have what it needs to compete with more modern rivals?
We've now had the opportunity to assess the entry-level 24-Mpix Nikon D3200 with a wide range of lenses. We've analyzed a total of over 140 Nikkor and third-party prime and zoom models to assess image quality, and to discover which of those models perform best on the camera. Read on to find out the models you should be looking to use and which ones you should try to avoid.
Although not a new lens we've had the opportunity to test the Tokina AT-X M100 AF Pro D in Nikon mount, a dedicated macro lens complete with a manual aperture collar. Manual selection of the aperture is an important feature with Nikon users as it allows unrestricted use with extension rings. Read on to find out how well it performs.
Nikon's retro styled Df harks back to the days film externally, but the metal shell with its plethora of dials and buttons conceals a state-of-the-art 16-Mpix CMOS sensor intended for the worst imaginable lighting conditions. Read on to find out how this new addition to the range performs.
After testing the remarkable Otus 1,4/55 from high-end maker Carl Zeiss we were curious to see if the optical performance of the Apo Sonnar T* 2,0/135 may be close. Read on to find out how well this lens performed.
Following on from the lens recommendations for the earlier full-frame Nikon D600, we've now had the opportunity to assess a wide range lenses with that model's replacement, the 24-Mpix D610. We've analyzed a total of 95 Nikkor and third-party prime and zoom models with the D610 to assess image quality, and we've come across some unexpected results. Read onto find out more about that and which lenses perform best when paired with the camera.
High-end lens maker Carl Zeiss has just released the first model in a series of high-grade DSLRs lenses in Nikon mount and we were more than curious to see if the performance of the new Otus 1,4/55 could match the hype. Read on to find out.
Nikon's manual focus ultrafast Noct-Nikkor was in production for 20 years and was removed from the line-up two years before the introduction of the APS-C Nikon D1 in 1999. While this high-grade model eschews the f/1.2 maximum aperture of the original, it is the spiritual successor to that lens and includes all of Nikon's latest technology. Read on to find out how well it performs.
The Sony Alpha 7R is the most expensive of the two full-frame Alpha 7 mirrorless models announced earlier in the month. Externally the two share the same body and much of the same feature set, but, where the A7 adopts a 24-Mpix sensor with on-chip PD-AF capability, the Alpha 7R has a 36-Mpix CMOS sensor without an optical low pass filter for optimal image sharpness. Read on to see how well the sensor in this new model performs.
Sigma's has recently revamped the 120-300mm f2.8 DG OS HSM as new high-grade Sports series model. It's a promising combination offering far more flexibility that a 300mm f2.8 prime yet at $3,599, it's close to half the price of a prime. Read on to see how well this unique lens performs.
In less than a year the Nikon D610 replaces the hugely popular full frame 24mpix D600 and features a new, improved shutter mechanism and some minor improvements to the auto white balance system. Although the firm didn't announce any improvements to the sensor and imaging pipeline, we were intrigued enough to put it through our labs to find out.
This is part one of our lens recommendations for the Nikon D7100 where we've tested over 120 Nikkor and third-party prime and zoom models to assess image quality. Read onto find out which of these lenses are perform best when paired with Nikon's 24M-Pix APS-C format semi-pro model.
Sigma's range of telephoto zooms can put the premium marques to shame in terms of choice, and this one is not only hugely versatile but can boast stabilization and a ultrasonic type motor while also saving a considerable sum. But, just how well does it compare with the new Nikon 80-400mm VR? Read on to find out.
Nikon has had a 200mm f/2 in its range since 1977 and has been regularly updated over the years to maintain its position as one of the highest performing lenses in the maker's range. Read on to see if how well this highly regarded lens performs in our stringent lab tests.
After the publishing the test results on the Nikon 500mm and 600mm f/4 super-telephoto lenses, we've now turned our attention to the 300mm and 400mm f/2.8 versions. Read on to see how well these legendary models perform.
Super-telephoto lenses like these are indispensible for shooting action, sports and wildlife but their high price and limited versatility restricts accessibility to the average user. Most are to be found in the hands of photojournalists working on behalf of picture agencies, but it's also true to say that a fair number are used by wildlife photographers including working professionals and well-heeled enthusiasts. Read on to see if the current iterations deserve their celebrated status.
Nikon's update to the film era AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-35mm f/3.5-4.5D IF-ED boasts an enviable spec, including built-in silent wave AF motor and re-designed optical construction with two ED glass elements. Read on to see how well it performs on the 36-Mpix Nikon D800.
Tamron's latest 70-200mm f/2.8 is the first from the firm to feature image stabilisation (VC or Vibration Compensation, as Tamron calls it) and is now available in with a Nikon mount. After the Canon mount, read on to see how it performs on the high resolution Nikon D800.
Following on from our series of selecting the best lenses for the Nikon D800 with its potential for massively detailed images from the 36Mpix sensor, we've now turned our attention to that camera's younger sibling, the 24Mpix D600.
Most manufacturers have a lens that gets bundled with their cameras to make a 'Kit', and Nikon is no exception, but when its full frame cameras are beginning to be accessible to the consumer market, the kit lens needs both coverage and quality to be an appropriate partner to the likes of a Nikon D600.
Nikon's flagship medium range telephoto lens the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II offers a versatile focal range, great features and top-class optical quality. Costing $2,400 it's an expensive option however, and notably with cheaper alternatives like the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 EX DGH APO HSM II and Nikon's latest f/4 version, the AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR now on the market, is this top-of-the-range lens worth the extra money?
Launched in February 2012 the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD is a 'fast' standard zoom available in Nikon, Sony and Canon lens mounts. On full frame DSLRs its wide-angle through to short telephoto focal range is ideal for general use photography, and featuring Tamron's VC image stabilisation system, as well as a fixed f/2.8 maximum aperture, its low-light credentials are pretty hot, too.
Introduced in 2007 alongside the AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8G ED and Nikon's first full-frame DSLR – the 12-megapixel Nikon D3 – this lens was a first of its kind and set new standards for image quality for ultra-wide angle lenses. How does this lens perform on demanding high-resolution bodies, such as the 36-MPix Nikon D800? DxOMark has the answer.
The second in our series of selecting the best-quality lenses for your camera concentrates on one of the most highly-anticipated cameras of our time, the successor to the hugely popular EOS 5D Mark II. But by the time it was announced, in early March, it's probably fair to say Nikon had taken fair amount of interest away by announcing the 36M-Pix D800 and D800E models the month before. Be that as it may, there's no denying the 22.3 M-Pix EOS 5D Mark III is a remarkably capable camera, and a formidable rival to the Nikon.
After years of unadventurous, unexciting "slow" speed zooms "fast", high-quality primes are experiencing a comeback thanks to the popularity of full-frame DSLRs and the merging of video capture. The moderately wide 35mm focal length has seen numerous new versions from most lens makers over the last two years or so, including this ultra-high speed offering from Sigma. Read on to see how well this lens fares on the highest resolution DSLR currently available.
Announced at Photokina 2012 the new Leica M digital rangefinder camera is available for pre-order and expected to ship soon. Although the 4th rangefinder in the M range to feature a full frame sensor, Leica have changed from the previously used Truesense 18Mp CCD to a CMOSIS 24Mp CMOS model. With new features added too expectations are running high, so lets get under the hood and see what it has to offer.
Announced in 2012, the Nikon D800 is the current undisputed king of DxOMark, with results that eclipse every other camera from all other manufacturers. However, with so much resolution on tap, the question is, which lenses should you use to make the best of what you've got? The DxOMark labs have tested 61 different lenses on the D800 to bring you an unparalleled resource of which lenses are best and which should be avoided. To make it easy to follow, we have broken the reviews down into sections so you can concentrate on the lenses that are important to you. This first section will give you an overview of the D800. We will follow this with a review of the standard focal length lenses, then the telephoto lenses and super-zooms and finally there will be a wide-angle review.
Leica enthusiasts are getting excited as the revered German manufacturer looks set to ship their new M Type 240 digital rangefinder very soon. Featuring a brand new 24-megapixel CMOS sensor, the latest model in the M Series departs from the CCD sensor technology Leica have previously used. So as we await the new, let's look back at the Sensor Scores for the M9, M9-P and M-E Type 220 using that CCD Sensor, to get us in the mood.
The high-end Sony RX1 was one of the most eagerly awaited cameras in our labs and while we assessed the camera's full-frame sensor early in January, we've decided to publish the results of the Zeiss-branded Sonnar 2/35 T* lens. Readers will already be aware that it's fixed, and can't be purchased separately, but we can test it just as we would any other, albeit on one camera body only. Is this "fast", moderately wide-angle lens an outstanding performer worthy of the Carl Zeiss name? Read on to find out.
Launched in January 2012 the Nikon AF-S 85mm f/1.8G prime lens offers a great focal length for portraiture and a wide maximum aperture for low-light photography. Compatible with both Nikon FX and DX lens mounts this latest version of Nikon's popular short telephoto prime also features a built in autofocus motor making it full functionality on all Nikon DSLR cameras. At $500 it boasts a great price too, so if you're after a 85mm portrait lens this could be the one for you.
A noise benchmark of 187 digital cameras by Peter van den Hamer
DxOMark Camera Sensor is a raw benchmark for camera bodies by DxO Labs. The benchmark is "raw" because it measures image quality using Raw output files. It is also raw as DxO's data can be used to cook up camera reviews that cover more aspects than image quality.
The new Sony RX1 offers discerning photographers the unique proposition of a full frame CMOS sensor and fixed 35mm f/2 prime lens in a compact shell. Perfect if you're after great image quality without the bulk, weight and inconvenience of a large DSLR. But how will the RX1 perform in the DxOMark Sensor Scores?
The new Sony SLT Alpha 99, Sony's first full-frame DSLR equivalent in three years, combines the company's latest and greatest 24.3-megapixel Exmor CMOS sensor with its SLT (Single Lens Translucent) technology to deliver impressive image quality combined with fast and continuous autofocus while shooting still images and videos.
Finally, a Sony full-frame DSLR: the last one was the Alpha 850. But though the new full-format 24Mpix camera shines with all of its new technology and features, it now belongs to the family of cameras with electronic viewfinders instead of with the Alpha 900 and its traditional DSLR viewfinder. With this new positioning, Sony stands out from among the leading lights in this market segment.
Nikon's recently released consumer-oriented full-frame sensor DSLR, the D600, has just gone through DxOMark's image quality evaluation tests. And the verdict is in: the D600 is an affordable camera that places a high premium on image quality, as it ranks just behind the top performing Nikon D800 and Nikon D800E. It is also a significant improvement over the high-end professional flagship DSLRs, the Nikon D3X and the Nikon D4. Here are the DxOMark test results for the D600.
The Nikon D4 spent only a few days in the top spot for DxOMark sensor results before being dethroned by the Nikon D800, which is a complete success in every sensor-related respect:
A few weeks ago, in response to the announcement of the Canon EOS 1D X, Nikon unveiled its new flagship camera, the Nikon D4, which replaces the D3s at the top of the Nikon DSLR line-up.
In the course of the past several weeks, both Canon and Nikon unveiled their professional digital reflex cameras for the next two years to come. With the D4, Nikon has updated a number of points in its pro camera body which cumulatively lead to an entirely new generation of SLR camera.
Three-and-a-half years after the release of the full-frame reflex EOS 5D Mark II, Canon finally unveils its successor, the EOS 5D Mark III, a reflex camera that takes several significant qualitative and functional leaps forward by borrowing the latest must-haves in photo technology from the EOS 7D and the EOS-1D X.
Despite its success with its latest high-end camera models (the Nikon D3s and D3x), Nikon had yet to respond to the great success of the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, whose superior resolution and numerous features (notably with respect to video) simply outclassed the aging Nikon D700.
Today Nikon announced the long-awaited D800 with a 36 MPix full-frame sensor. This new high-end DSLR has many promising aspects.
Added by rich1808 | March 07, 2014
D800 as Super DX?
may have posted this in the wrong place... Just discovered DXO- WOW, whata great service you guys provide us camera geeks!
My thoughts, correct me if i'm wrong; The D800 in-camera crop leaves the remaining 16 mp at the same density as the 36 mp right?
Doesn't this actually make the camera also a High Density DX camera?
More to the point is that I've found my 17-55 f2.8 DX lens including the 18-300 Nikon f3.5 has AMAZING sharpness that you can see from the back of the camera. You're jaw will drop when you zoom in!
What do you say to a review of at least the Nikkor DX lens on the D800? The 2.8 Nikkor DX lens should be sharp anyway so, just to see if I'm Looney or not, test just one, the 18-300 and see what you see.
So far as I've seen, almost every lens scores higher on the D800 as oppose to other Nikon cameras. So, What do you say DXO? Up for even more work???
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Added by seemara | March 13, 2014
Re: D800 as Super DX?
Unfortunately, no. 36 MP is the total number of pixels in a full sensor exposure on a D800. If you crop, whether in post or in-camera via DX mode, you're deleting pixels. The pixel density of the D800 is actually slightly less than the D7000 (even in FX mode), and significantly less than the 24 MP DX D7100, but this doesn't really speak to IQ. Pixel density is nothing more than number of pixels divided by physical size of the sensor. If it were possible to measure IQ based on number of pixels or pixel density, then the D800 would be 2 to 3 times better than the D4, which it clearly is not!
But back to the point, the main difference in cropping a full frame exposure (assuming you used an FX lens) is that you can choose exactly how much to crop whereas in DX mode you're maxed out at 16 MP, which gives you an image that is a close equivalent, as it's been reported by many, to that of a D7000 in both size and various measures of image quality (and also very similar pixel densities). I have a D7100 and love it and also a D800. I seem to be in rarefied air when I say I'm thrilled with the DX mode (and 1.2 crop mode). 16 MP is PLENTY! And if you get the MB-D12 grip and put in either the D4 battery or AA's you can get 6 FPS in cropped modes. You can also try the bracketing trick from here http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51004727 to get 6 FPS without a grip! The difference between 4 and 6-7 FPS is huge and makes up for some of the ground this camera gives up to the D4. It doesn't turn it into a D4, of course, but it makes the D800 even more versatile than most people give it credit for, especially if you use the right glass. And this is the right place to find out what that glass should be!
Added by cwms | February 01, 2013
I'm curious why DxOMark lists the D800 as "semi-pro" and the 5D Mark III as "Professional", they even called the 5d Canon's "Flagship" in their review(?) Am I mistaken, or are these two cameras in the same class?
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Added by Emilie_DxOMark | February 11, 2013
Re: Hmmmm
No you're right!
These 2 cams are in the same class. Between professional and semi pro… They do not replace the 1Ds Mark III and D3x so their marketing segment are slightly ambiguous...
Kind regards,
Added by Max Dof | January 17, 2013
Best camera sensor ever, but no lenses tested after almost a year?
Dxo rates the D800/D800E higher than any other camera sensor. You would think they would be interested to see how well various lenses perform with it. It's now been almost a year since the camera's been released and, to date, they have tested only one lens with it; and the lens they chose to test? A cheap Tamron.
Please, let's see some tests with the kinds of lenses a Nikon D800 user is likely to own. Maybe even a Nikon lens...
Start with a few decent primes, like the 16mm, 24mm, 60mm, 85mm f/1.4 105mm and/or 200mm. Then a few of the decent zooms, like the 12-24mm, 14-24mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, and/or 200-400mm.
Any D800 owner will have one or more of those lenses in their kits.
It would be nice to know how my new D800E stacks up against the camera I upgraded from. Just knowing how the sensor alone compares isn't all that useful, since I rarely shoot without a lens on my camera.
What do you say?
By the way, for those interested in whether the D800E produces moire in the real world: I've shot over 4,000 photos on the D800E, including lot of shots with textiles and architecture, and so far, there's been zero moire.
Added by vigorotaku | November 20, 2012
D4 vs D800
My main Reasons for the D4:
1)Speed of focus - I can't use my 85 f/1.4 or 24 f/1.4 on my D3 or on a D800 and have it focus fast enough to get in focus shots of toddlers or other erratically moving things.
2)Ethernet port ethernet tethering- I use a Netgear WNCE2001 and Mophie Powerstation Gen 2 which works quite well.
D4 Wireless Tethering
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Added by My Self | November 22, 2012
Re: D4 vs D800
<div id="linkdxomark">This a comment for <a href="http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Nikon/D800">this page on the website</a></div>My main Reasons for the D4:
1)Speed of focus - I can't use my 85 f/1.4 or 24 f/1.4 on my D3 or on a D800 and have it focus fast enough to get in focus shots of toddlers or other erratically moving things.
2)Ethernet port ethernet tethering- I use a Netgear WNCE2001 and Mophie Powerstation Gen 2 which works quite well.
<a href="http://vigorotaku.blogspot.com/2012/11/d4-wireless-tethering.html">D4 Wireless Tethering</a>
Please tell me you're a pro who works for Parents magazine or some such.
We now need a D4 to take snapshots of toddlers?
First world problems. LOL
Added by fishnose | November 22, 2012
Re: D4 vs D800
Please tell me you're a pro who works for Parents magazine or some such.
We now need a D4 to take snapshots of toddlers?
First world problems. LOL
He MUST be joking, I can't imagine any other explanation....
Added by Rogerio Medeiros | November 06, 2012
D800 vs D600
I am considering one of these cameras. I have read many reviews but none has given a definitive answer to image enlargement. I intend to print the files at 40X60 to 40X80, with interpolation, of course. It seems, from what I read, that a minimal camera shake, even from the mirror movement might not reveal the extra resolution of the sensor. Besides the array of lenses suited to work with the D800 in order to bring out all of its qualities seems to be rather limited and expensive. Ultimately will the 30% increase in pixel count make such a big difference for the print sizes I'm aiming at?
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Added by fishnose | November 06, 2012
Re: D800 vs D600
The D800 is an exceptional camera in all situations. I use it for everything, including fast action, as well as for live evening performances without flash at iso 6400. Hand held in all situations. No shake troubles at all. And the images look great.
As long as you have reasonably disciplined technique, it's not any more 'difficult' to use than other cameras.
That said, the D600's 24MP is a LOT. Just think - the highest resoluton DSLR in the world was 24MP until just a year ago (D3x) - so the D600 will do a fantastic job. And it has a far better sensor than the D3x, it's much faster, has better iso etc....
Added by pepegidwa | October 16, 2012
Where are the lens tests? !!!
Where are the lens tests?
Where are the lens tests?
Where are the lens tests?
Added by My Self | September 20, 2012
Where are the lens tests?
In the article you said:
"Even though the D800's sensor results are exceptional, we are looking forward to measuring the best Nikon lenses on it"
Where are the tests?
Added by electronicbazaar | August 18, 2012
Nikon D800
The D800/D800E render levels of texture, nuance and detail to your photography that, until now, have been the exclusive domain of the complicated medium-format system. Define every eyelash, every line in tree bark, and every shimmer of light. Savor the exceptional depth in your still images — with the combination of an astounding 36.3 effective megapixel, the world's highest*, and the outstanding performance of NIKKOR lenses, you can. Enlarge them as big as A1 poster-sized prints (59.4 x 84.1 cm/23.4 x 33.1 in.) at 200 dpi, or crop aggressively to reach the composition you desire, all without sacrificing the detail and tonal range of the original. In order to maintain clean, high-resolution images, 14-bit A/D conversion within the sensor and a high signal-to-noise ratio deliver phenomenal images in a diverse array of situations. The image sensor's incredible potential does not stop with photography, either. For cinematographers ready to put their exceptionally sharp NIKKOR lenses into action, the D800/D800E's 36.3 effective megapixel data is efficiently processed for exquisite 1080p broadcast quality video at 30p.
Added by koleh77 | May 07, 2012
thanks for test
I`ll soon buy this new king !
I hope this is great camera !
Thank You a lot for test !!!
Added by wmac | April 02, 2012
What is the point of D4 then?
Now that the sensor does not have any considerable advantage?
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Added by SLRist | April 13, 2012
Re: What is the point of D4 then?
How about the fact that it shoots 10fps?
Horses for courses. Sport and news do not need 36MP. They want speed and ultra low-light shooting.
Added by fishnose | April 19, 2012
Re: What is the point of D4 then?
Better battery life?
Hardly. You can use the D4 battery in the D800 if you have the grip and the right grip cover.
Added by eireann | March 29, 2012
D800 price
Here in Singapore they offer the D800 for S$4488 which is 20% above the price in the USA, 2999US$ and lower than the hefty price Europeans have to pay....2900Euro
I think the camera should be sold everywhere at the same price. I am now thinking of asking an American friend to buy the camera for me there and bring it over. Maybe I even go for the D800E which is cheaper in the US than here the D800.
@impurenrg...I think you got things confused here. The D800 sensor was rated higher than the D700 sensor.
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Added by PapaRomeo | April 12, 2012
Re: D800 price
Well the US price is with no sales tax. The Europe price is with VAT. Vat ranges from 17% - 25% in different EU countries. Crazy! But the VAT 0% price is about 2200 euros in Finland for instance. How does that compare to your price?
Added by SLRist | April 13, 2012
Re: D800 price
Beware - as Nikon camera body warranties are generally very restrictive, and if you buy one from elsewhere, you will not find a local dealer who is prepared to service it.
Added by xrunningman1 | March 27, 2012
D800 Sensor tests vs D700, Canons, and others
Look, it gets pretty ridiculous when people start arguing over what are miniscule issues and not real-world photographer's issues. I, for one, have seen fastastic 20x30" images done with a D3 and I personally can attest to the fantastic image quality of the D7000. Sure I, too, want a D800, but the bottom line is that the quality of the image is in the hands of the photographer whether the sensor is 10mp or 36mp. The greats of photography's past just went out and took their images. They didn't worry about lens comparisons. Anyway, I'm not saying anything new. I'd rather lug a D800 on my neck with a couple of lenses than a much heavier medium format camera with is 5-figure price tag. In my humble opinion, no camera is worth spending 5 figures on. Get a Leica M3, a Mamiya 7, or a 4x5 and you'll do fine for a lot less if the talent is there.
Notwithstanding this, it is great news that Nikon has finally produced a "35mm" size camera that can take its huge range of lenses and which is comparable to medium format quality. Bravo Nikon! Now, please get me my ordered camera!!! :)
D800's crop modes available for RAW files or only JPG?
Following to my first question, I've got another simple question where I see different answers on forums. When using the D800 in DX crop mode, we only MP, not IQ, but can we shoot RAW or the crop modes only apply to JPEG files?
First question: http://forum.dxomark.com/index.php/topic,701.0.html
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Added by fishnose | March 24, 2012
Re: D800's crop modes available for RAW files or only JPG?
Crop modes will have corresponding RAW files. So both jpg and RAW will be cropped according to chosen crop factor - called 'Image Area'.
However, if M or S size is chosen in any mode (FF or crop), the jpg only will be made M or S, the raw file will always be L. This is called 'Image Size'.
Image Size is achieved by taking the full capture at chosen crop factor and downsizing it if M or S is chosen to create the jpeg. The RAW will however remain L, full capture size.
Added by PHOTOwebb Designs | March 24, 2012
really though...
does it really matter who makes the sensor or the shell or how fast it goes or how many megapixels it has? no. buy a camera, point it at something, and make a great image. there have been times where i got better images out of my D40 than my D90 with half the megapixel count.
Added by nugeny | March 24, 2012
If D800 gets 95 score, D800e should get much higher score in landscapes, a whopping 105?
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Added by photosynth | March 31, 2012
Re: D800e?
No, the DXO score doesn't measure resolution
Added by MikeWhis | April 18, 2012
Re: D800e?
They do test resolution, but not in sensor score.
Added by Ofeqve | March 24, 2012
While D800 is the undisputed resolution king, somehow the DR results don't sit well with me. Smaller pixels with better DR then larger pixels ? This would be the first time it happens and would bring a niggling question into sharp focus: if Nikon has this fantastic technology enabling a high density, small pixel sized sensor to beat everything else on the planet, why not use the same technology in a lower density, larger sized pixel sensor in their flagship camera? The next D4s perhaps?
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Added by SiliconVoid | August 15, 2012
Re: Umm...
You are absolutely correct in your apprehension to believe the results.
The smaller pixels (photosites) do not provide better performance than larger pixels, and that is where the results have to be understood. The score DxO gave for the D800/D800e is not based on what the sensor does, it is based on what you can achieve when downsampling the image to ~25% of its original size. DxO evaluates performance on an 8mp image, therefore just about any camera above 8mp will show better results than an 8mp camera, and certainly better than its predecessor. In the scoring system you also have to understand that DxO awards the score based on the highest achievable performance score - even if the camera only performs to that level at one ISO setting and performs worse at every other setting - see a comparison of D3x and D3s where the D3s excels above the D3x in every criteria except at ISO 100, which is where the D3x achieved its score. If you were to fairly compare the maximum quality output of cameras against any other you would either do that at the sensor level or at the same downsample ratio. How about a comparison of the D800 downsampled to 8mp, against the D3s downsampled to 3mp - that would be a fair comparison of output given that there are certainly just as many quarter page magazine prints (3mp) as there are 8x12 paper prints (8mp) being used in the industry..
In order to see the real performance you have to select the little toggle in the upper left of the measurement page labeled [Screen] where you will then see what the performance is at the sensor level. You may be asking why this is important, I mean some would be saying 'the camera I want just got the highest score ever, that is good enough for me' but as is to be expected a considerable percentage of buyers (those without real photography experience or knowledge of composition, lens selection, exposure, aperture, etc) will be looking to crop into all those megapixels hoping to get the image they should have captured correctly to begin with - and that is where the performance is the worst, at the pixel level, or the closer you get to the pixel level. If you compare the performance of the D800 against any Nikon above, say the D80 or so, you will see that its performance at full resolution is no better than most of Nikon's lower megapixel models - and actually begins trailing behind most of them once you get past ~200 ISO.
The relevance of the score has more to do with your intended/needed output. For studio work the D800 should be great as most of those images are headed toward magazine and smaller prints (where the downsample will provide benefit, either digitally or in print) however the other group Nikon has marketed the D800 towards, Landscape photography, will not see the performance they have paid for as their output is typically larger prints needing higher megapixels to yield the extra detail - the area where the D800 performs no better than most of Nikon's bodies other than megapixels. As for walk-around/general photography, like you do with a D700, the D800 is not for that group. Not that it cannot take general subject photographs, but how many of you in that group are looking to incorporate professional level post processing, lenses, and additional overhead all that comes with just to yield the results you are already getting from whatever you already use? Remember too not to be mislead by marketing, you do not need high megapixels to upscale an image.. Upscaling an image allows more pixels to draw the same detail present, which means any additional refining of the detail needed can literally be added in the process, this should always provide a benefit no matter what camera or megapixels you have (up to a percentage of the original of course). If you are losing detail when upscaling your print you need to look at a different software package, and of course make sure you have done everything you can to capture the detail to begin with.
Added by Gandalfsson | March 24, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
Added by Weyskipper | February 18
Re: Questionable bias...
Your 5D MKII sounds like the all time perfect camera. I would suggest you don't bother with any other camera ;)
Agree, and we all know, that this camera has a fantastic AF - also the "side-AF"
D800's DX crop mode
Simple question. When using the D800 in DX crop mode, do we lose IQ or only MP?
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Added by hectorjr | March 24, 2012
Re: D800's DX crop mode
You only lose MP. You can also choose between S, M or L sizes on ANY of the 4 crop modes the D800 offers (FX, DX, 1.2X or 5:4 crop mode).
Re: D800's DX crop mode
OK thanks... Can I shoot RAW with the crop modes or only JPG ?
Re: D800's DX crop mode
Got the answer: http://forum.dxomark.com/index.php/topic,706.msg1197/topicseen.html#msg1197
Added by Mescalamba | March 23, 2012
Hm hm..
I admit it looks impressive, but metamerism index of 78/75 really isnt much impressive. For what is good 25 bit depth when colors are "off" right from sensor? ICC profiling probably can help, but if you ever saw difference between color profiled 5DMK2 and 1DsMK3, you will know it cant save it.
In theory it could be best studio 35mm camera, in practise it will be still Sony A900. And most likely A99, cause Sony is using superior CFA on pretty much everything except very low end models.
Considering "improved" noise performance of 5DMK3, I doubt it will be much better in this deparment, but they can suprise as samples from 5DMK3 seemed quite promising and very "non-Canon" like. Unlike D800 studio ones where skin looks mostly bit wierd..
Added by lastras | March 23, 2012
February 9th
"When you test it, I think we'll see a DxOMark new high score, and world's best dynamic range and fantastic low light ISO scores."
I said that 2 months ago. Thank you, DxOMark for making my look smart. Sony EXMOR sensors are incredible.
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Added by fishnose | March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
Only one problem here - the D800 sensor is NOT made by Sony.
Added by GrumpyDiver | March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
According to all the reports, it is a Sony sensor. Nikon does not make its own sensors. While they manufacture many things, they do not own a fab and contract all that work out.
Added by impurenrg | March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
Correct. I believe the D700/D3 was the last time Nikon made it's own sensor in DSLR. (which is why the D700 performs better than the D800)
Added by joeholmes | March 05, 2012
D800 Review Quibble
You state that the D800 will do 6 fps with the addition of the grip, but you should correct that to state that the 6 fps is available with the grip and ONLY in DX format, that is, the 15 megapixel crop of the full frame.
Added by Jools33 | February 27, 2012
Its not the MP count... its other things that make a good camera
I read today that Nokia are releasing a 41MP phone - so already the D800 is losing out to a smartphone ;) Seriously though it takes more than MP count to make a good camera - and what will be interesting is the dynamic range and high ISO abilities - of both the D800 and Nokias new wonder phone. I'd personally like to see the D4 sensor in an ultraportable trimmed down DSLR - a sortof Nikon FE for the digital era.
Added by ghibby | February 17, 2012
EOS 5D Mk2
Totally ignoring anything other than the thumbnails of the two cameras here but it really bugs me that after more than 3 years on the market the image of the EOS 5D mk2 is quite clearly a doctored one of the original 5D. This shot first circulated when people we wondering what the Mk2 would actually be. This site should be a little more organised and professional that this and it staggers me that no one has picked this up!!
Added by diforbes | February 17, 2012
D800 vs D700
"The D800 gives up the very high sensitivity of the D700 in favor of higher resolution." I'm surprised to see this statement from DxO without supporting data and test results.
Added by SiliconVoid | February 17, 2012
Questionable bias...
I regularly visit DxOMark for statistical data before seeking my next lens or considering a new body. (No - the equipment does not make or break your images, but while you can technically cut a steak with spoon it is much easier, faster, and precise with a sharp finely honed blade..)
What I am unfortunately seeing in some of your verbal assessments of late is the comparisons seem 'fanboyish'. When the 'older equipment' information is presented like an obituary and the newer equipment reads like the front page of a tabloid you could hardly consider that an unbiased 3rd party perspective. Specifically the comparison of the 5DmkII.
Before anyone starts thinking 'Canon fanboy rant!' I own both Canon and Nikon equipment. Through inheritance, adoption, or simply hooking up with a spouse that prefers another brand I have ended up with two Canon bodies (60D/5DmkII) and two Nikon bodies (D300s/D700) not to mention a healthy amount of glass for each. My gripe is simply when I see comments and comparisons made with verbiage designed to imply superiority over another even when the differences are slight or nonexistent.
In this comparison it is obvious that someone at DxO prefers Nikon in this context, and even the simple listing of data shows it. O.o
In this 'paper' comparison it would have been nice to have relevant information added and/or embellished:
The images produced by the 5DmkII and its 'lowly' 21mp are superb, there is no sharpness lacking that cannot be achieved with better glass (certainly something that will be a major factor with the 36mp sensor of the D800). So to automatically hypothesize that the D800 sensor will meet expectations or be superior because it has more pixels is absurd, especially as you have not even tested the D800 yet.
You at least described the ISO range evenly without adding or leaving out relevant data to favor one or the other.
AF - Lets be honest, you do not need any more than one AF point and place it over the subject you want to be in focus. Quality images rely more on composition than focus. While the 5DmkII appears to be lacking in number you do not include the same description of its components. Artificially emphasizing some inferiority of the 5DmkII by stating no more than the number of its points even though there is relevant data for its AF mechanism and that all points are cross type - and that there are additional 'hidden' points that assist in the evaluative focus and tracking. I will certainly give kudos to Nikon though for their servo tracking mode, it is indeed superior to Canon across all models. I enjoy it a great deal on my D300s and D700 when shooting wildlife, especially birds. Though to be fair in handing out praise I have to say that my two Canon bodies, and all the way down the Rebel line I have used, all appear to focus faster on average. So even though they may have less focus points in each tier something is working more effectively.
Metering? Nothing more than two different ways to get to the same point. I have never encountered a metering issue that could not be adjusted where it needs to be, and have had to make adjustments for both brands. Not sure about the scene recognition and its role in face detection AF, played with it on a lower Nikon model without any lasting impression.
If you wish to make any comparisons for video capabilities please at least mention where they differ! Both bodies do full HD video, have the same frame rates at 1080p, and with the same input/output options sans the raw HDMI output (though available on the 5DmkII with Magic Lantern.) The main differences are the cropped modes (magnification) offered by the D800, and 60fps at 720p - versus the full manual exposure control provided by canon. Whether trading either of these features for the other will make you go with one over the other can only be determined by the user.
Yes the viewfinder is larger on the D800 (100% vs 98%), but does it really make any difference to the image that one has a tiny bit smaller view? No it does not. Now if one were larger than the actual capture area, and you ended up cropping off parts of the scene you thought you were getting, that would be an issue! At this level you are doing post processing 95% of the time anyway, if you got something in the shot around the border on the 5DmkII you did not want just clip it off... Both are big and bright and display relevant shooting data. The 5DmkII allows you to change out the focus screens for specialized needs. -moot
They both have the same display, why you felt the need to add viewing angle for one and not the other just reads like one is inferior. Not only are they the same, but Canon has been offering that lcd for longer and across more models than Nikon. Not to mention that Canon's display does not pixelate when zooming into the last two or three magnifications like Nikon. (hopefully they have changed that in the D800)
The frame rate is identical for any practical measurement for the exception that the frame rate does not increase on the D800 with the addition of any other accessories, it increases when shooting in DX cropped mode.
I will give the point to Nikon for the flash. I know many people who say a pop up flash does not belong on a pro body. All I can tell you is that I use it often on my D700 for a little fill in the field and wish my 5DmkII had one.
Both have external flash sync. Not sure what you are describing as if it were any different. (wireless commander mode maybe?)
Weight - Canon is lighter, both have magnesium bodies.
Battery life - About the same at this level from any manufacturer. (Though Sony would be the only other manufacturer of a 'compact' body FF, and no longer considered in this tier as it does not offer video.)
If you are going to even mention price, Canon is the winner. Outstanding image quality and broadcast video for ~$800 less currently. If more mp, more post processing, pop up flash, and digital video zoom are worth ~$800 then by all means get the Nikon.
Weather sealing - You do not mention anything about the 5DmkII as if it does not have any environmental sealing, which it certainly does. Can we please let this issue go already..? The number of equipment review sites that incorrectly imply there was no additional sealing or body improvements from the original 5D is staggering, and just emphasizes the lack of experience and knowledge the reviewer has with the product being reviewed. I have had all four of my cameras out in the rain, crawling through dew soaked grass, spilled drinks on/around them, been splashed around the pool, lake, beach, etc and never had an issue with any of the higher end bodies from Nikon or Canon. None of them are waterproof, they all have some level of sealing, all things being considered the only thing you need to be overly concerned with is your lenses.
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Added by Weyskipper | February 18, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
Your 5D MKII sounds like the all time perfect camera. I would suggest you don't bother with any other camera ;)
Added by kdsand | February 23, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
There's several review conclusions that have me scratching my head. Following the numbers going by the data leads me to for example say two lenses are fairly evenly matched yet one has a very vigorous and enthusiastic review while the other average. Perhaps there's something I'm overlooking.
Thus attempting to weigh my options but.......
Added by qbic | February 24, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
There should be another parameter - noise uniformity, I have 5dmark2 and pattern noise is horrible @ low iso and on stacked images ( (1+1+1) /3).
Added by Simen1 | February 09, 2012
Is D7000 overkill?
<div id="linkdxomark">This a comment for <a href="http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Nikon/D800">this page on the website</a></div>D800 have the same pixel density as D7000. I dont think thats overkill. D800 will just offer wider images at the same pixel density with the same optics. Safari photographers would not need a D7000 backup camera to get closter to the subject compared to using the D700.
I guess the D800 will offer significantly less ISO noise (amount) then the D700, when comparing prints and full screen images on screen. In addition to less amount of noise the noise will be more fine grained and problably look smoother in prints and full screen viewing. Think fine sand vs coarse sand.
If you dont like the improved crop capabilities, try pixel binning 2*2 pixels with D800E. Despite lower pixel count i think i could be sharper then D700 images due to no AA filter. High ISO would probably be a lot better then the D700.
Large files are a backdraw that impacts speed, storage capasity and probably battery capasity in #pictures. You just have to be more patient both when shooting, transfering and editing images. About 50% more patient compared to D3x, and 3 times more compared to D700.
DR are probably better then both D7000 and D3x. That could mean a new over all high score.
Btw. How is the formula to calculate the overall score from the sub scores?
Added by lastras | February 09, 2012
Nikon D800
<div id="linkdxomark">This a comment for <a href="http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Nikon/D800">this page on the website</a></div>When you test it, I think we'll see a DxOMark new high score, and world's best dynamic range and fantastic low light ISO scores.
Added by funniq | February 08, 2012
Overkill of MP
Beautiful camera, but for me personally the 36MP seems a bit of an overkill. But may be we have to think out of the box and is 36MP in a few years standard?? I assume many people have to buy a new computer as well ;-)
Like you stated in your article, I am very curious about the performance and image quality of this camera. We'll have to wait until March :) ...
Good luck with the testing and thank you so much in advance for your appreciated work!
Kind regards,
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Added by Mescalamba | March 23, 2012
Re: Overkill of MP
It can be bit problematic to process 36 mpix RAW at full resolution, but depending on intended use its no issue to downsize it to 12 mpix and process after that.
Tho storing 36 mpix RAWs with current price for HDD can be issue..
But if you consider there are 80 mpix digital backs out there, some ppl already did that, so its possible. :D If you have enough money..
Added by fishnose | March 24, 2012
Re: Overkill of MP
Fast computers and large HDDs are cheap these days, compared to even just a couple of years ago. That's the least of our problems.
Added by BeepBeep2 | March 25, 2012
Re: Overkill of MP
Fast computers and large HDDs are cheap these days, compared to even just a couple of years ago. That's the least of our problems.
Mescalamba was talking more about the inflated prices due to supply restrictions from the flooding in Thailand. Of course, prices are recovering...


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If you want something new, cool and flashy, I would advise you ask for an Opto Line River from Latitude. It's a great disc and their plastic is awesome (looks great and nearly indestructible).
Vulcans are awesome!
instant distance....they are great for people who like the big rim feel, but don't have big arm!
Try one out MikeD!
Please post your review
if your looking for a 13 speed understable driver try the lat 64 bolt. it is much better than the vulcan in my oppinion.
Katana's are very good and easy to throw. I used one for a while before I moved on the the boss.
Not necessarily. I can't throw anywhere near 400 feet, but I can throw a Boss and a Vulcan both a hell of a lot better than I can throw a Valkyrie.
I have learned, for me, anyway, the Vulcan has to be thrown in the right wind conditions. I have to have either no wind or a slight tailwind and it will sail really well for me. The good thing about throwing a Vulcan is you can't overthrow it or it screws up---you have to make a nice, easy release or it seems to try to flop over and roll.
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I have 2 pro Katanas great disc. The star Katana i didn't like so much.
I think my wife got me nothing but disc golf stuff for Christmas
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Witty, respected Herald reporter Theresa Goffredo dies
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Theresa Goffredo at her desk in The Herald's features department on July 6.
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Theresa Goffredo on vacation on the Oregon coast earlier this month.
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Dashiell and Goffredo on vacation on the Oregon coast earlier this month.
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Peter and Goffredo on vacation on the Oregon coast earlier this month.
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Theresa Goffredo and husband Peter Verhey admire their long-awaited son, James Dashiell Verhey, shortly after his birth in Everett on Nov. 6, 2003.
Everett Daily Herald reporter Theresa Goffredo died Thursday evening following a long battle — a fierce fight — with cancer.
While it was obvious that this petite, dark-haired Italian-American woman wasn't a Left Coast native, Everett clearly was her chosen hometown. Goffredo, 55, loved Everett.
As a news reporter and later as an arts reporter, she covered the city of Everett. She volunteered as a master gardener docent at the city arboretum, she advocated for programs at the downtown YMCA, and she served on the PTA board at Jackson Elementary School, where her son Dashiell, 9, is a student.
Like the New Yorker she was, Goffredo walked. Everywhere.
A perfect day included a stroll from her home near Jackson Elementary down Marine View Drive to the Fresh Paint festival or the Sunday Farmers Market on the waterfront with her "boys" in tow, husband Peter Verhey, son Dash and a dog — first with the corgi, Angus, and later with the schnauzer, Baxter.
An award-winning journalist, Goffredo is perhaps best known for her very personal, first-person series of stories on infertility, which she wrote with courage and honesty. It had a happy ending, the birth of Dashiell.
Her longtime friend and fellow journalist Marina Parr praised Goffredo and Verhey for their loving devotion to their bright, creative son.
"One time a teacher told Theresa and Pete that Dash was doing so well in school. The teacher said, 'Dashiell is the whole enchilada,' " Parr said. "I think that meant more to Theresa than any journalism award she ever won."
Theresa Anne Goffredo was born to Ralph and Marie Goffredo on Oct. 29, 1957, on Long Island, N.Y., and grew up with brother Ralph Jr. and sister Roseanne. She graduated in 1975 from Long Island Lutheran High School in Brookville, N.Y.
"Theresa was a tough cookie from a middle-class background. At one point, she was even a bike messenger in Manhattan," Parr said. "She was a self-made woman who decided young that she would go West to start her life."
She earned a bachelor of arts degree in journalism in 1983 from San Francisco State University.
"I take some pride in luring Theresa into daily journalism," said Herald executive editor Neal Pattison, who was then working at the Spokesman-Review. "I offered her the police beat in Spokane. She drove up from San Francisco where, I believe, she had worked as a bike messenger and a restaurant reviewer for local weeklies.
"She had everything she owned crammed into her car; she hadn't found a place to live. I offered to let her get settled and start a few days later. No way. She wanted to start right away. Boy, she was strong-willed."
After her stint at the Spokesman-Review, Goffredo worked at the Idaho Statesman in Boise, the East Oregonian in Pendleton, Ore., and in the Tri-City Herald's Hermiston, Ore., bureau.
Goffredo was a tough reporter, and the New York sensibility helped.
"Theresa asked the tough questions," Parr said. "She wanted people to know the truth."
Goffredo briefly considered a career change and in 1994 earned a bachelor of science degree in fish biology at the University of Washington. It was after earning her degree that she met her husband, Peter Verhey, a Royal City farm boy and now a longtime biologist with the state Department of Fish and Wildlife. Goffredo was close to her husband's family and enjoyed helping with the peach harvest on the family farm.
But the call of newspapering was too strong. Goffredo took a job as a reporter at the Skagit Valley Herald in Mount Vernon.
Scott Terrell, the chief photographer there, remembers her work.
"Theresa expected the best of herself and of others. She brought a lot of heart and passion to the job, her life and family," Terrell said. "Her writing while at the Skagit Valley Herald reflected her professionalism and devotion to getting the story right. The world lost a wonderful woman and a great journalist."
Not long after her move to Everett and The Daily Herald in 2000, Goffredo and Verhey decided they wanted a family. It wasn't easy.
Stephanie Cordle Frankel, a former Herald photographer who worked with Goffredo on the fertility story, remembered her strength.
"She loved that Dash and wanted to be his mother more than anything on this Earth. It was an honor for me to witness her struggle to become a mother. And I will always remember her encouraging me not to put off living my life to the fullest," Frankel said.
Goffredo also served for a time as The Herald's night city editor, said Jon Bauer, assistant news editor.
"It's easy to praise Theresa as a journalist. I was fortunate to work with her while she was an assistant city editor. Theresa made my job easier though her skills in organization and communication," Bauer said.
"I watched her work with younger reporters and knew they were getting the benefit of guidance from a calm and thoughtful editor. She also was a welcome part of the day, quick to offer praise as you passed by her desk for something you had written the day before," Bauer said.
Later, as part of the features department, Goffredo was responsible for The Herald's series of stories on people with names that fit their jobs and another on how to remember the downtown Everett street names.
Artist Jack Gunter said he woke up the other day to a world without Theresa Goffredo.
"It's not the same. There are less beautiful thoughts on this planet, no more well-penned stories about what is good in the Pacific Northwest. She was my champion, a friend with a love for all things beautiful, a cheerleader for culture and an asset to the region she wrote about."
Her interview style was engaging, said Carol Thomas, the city of Everett's director of arts and culture, and it was obvious Goffredo knew what she was talking about.
"Theresa was not an art snob. She honored everybody brave enough to express themselves through art. She was just as enthusiastic about Village Theatre productions as she was the grass-roots community theater here," Thomas said. "She wrote with her heart and made people feel good about their work just by the enthusiastic way that she interviewed them."
If all this wasn't enough, Goffredo still cycled. She road the Seattle-to-Portland endurance ride in 2009. And she woke up, even in the midst of a chemotherapy series, to attend the 5 a.m. Tuesday "spinning" class at the YMCA.
Her instructors, Gael Thomson and Dr. Art Grossman, kept the class going, even when it was just them and Goffredo on the stationary bikes.
"That's how important she was to us," Thomson said. "And just by living her life, she had a great impact on people at the Y and other people fighting cancer."
Everett Mayor Ray Stephanson and city economic development director Lanie McMullin said Goffredo's death is a great loss to the Everett community.
"She was an incredible human being and will be deeply missed. I am sorry for all of us," Stephanson said.
Goffredo was civic-minded, fair and ethical, McMullin said.
"Theresa understood what a city needed to do to grow from a livable city to a memorable city. She herself often contributed ideas, and she was one of the people who first approached me with the idea of doing Street Tunes here in Everett."
Goffredo's editor Melanie Munk remembers that one of her most popular stories was about George Perez, Goffredo's checker at the 41st Street Safeway.
"Who knew before Theresa's story in our Vitality magazine that Perez was 'The Flash,' a boxer in his youth, as well as a busy volunteer at his church and an usher at the Silvertips games?" Munk said. "Theresa loved to talk with people."
Many observations have been made about Goffredo's determination, her strength and her resolve, Munk said.
"She fought her illness with every weapon in her arsenal, and she grieved as the cancer progressed. But she never lost her sense of humor. She always referred to her hospital visits as spa days.
"Every night, she would come to my office for a little chat before she left for the day. She had gotten a little wobbly and a little weak, but when it was time to get up and go, she would announce her progress: 'She's up! No, she's down again! And she's up!' And off she'd go, with a farewell smile that would break your heart."
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Atheism & Gardening
"What on Earth has Atheism to do with gardening?" you might ask.
Well, if you live in a Bible Belt area as I do, a great deal, it turns out.
I'm the type that enjoys my house and garden. I like to stand back and bask in the sun, the greenery, the peace, my surroundings in general.
To my Bible Belt neighbours, this looks to them like I'm not doing anything, that I "need something to do". One fellow in particular is very opinionated on the subject, and lets me know it. He acts as mouthpiece for those too timid to say such things to my face. "Needing something to do" seems to be his mantra. He's always visibly busy, working, working, working, and perpetually jazzed as though he's just pounded back fifty cups of strong coffee. He can't sit still for five minutes, can't focus, can't concentrate, can't enjoy himself. And he thinks everyone should be just like himself.
"What ya doin' that fer?" he demands when I'm cutting wood by hand. "I've got a chainsaw I can lend ya!"
"I have a chainsaw," I tell him. "I prefer cutting by hand. Keeps me in shape." Like most farmers around here, he has a big paunch and a ruined back, from years of riding machinery and getting no exercise.
"If yer wastin' time, yer wastin' money!" he likes to tell me.
"That's an example of false equivalence," I tell him. He pooh-poohs gyms as a waste of time and money too. "I'm getting exercise, plus I'm getting my wood bucked up for Fall."
And so it goes.
"Still, what has this to do with Atheism?" you might ask.
The thing is, I don't just view Atheism as non-belief in God and things magical. I view it as an active goal- that of pushing bad belief-systems aside and replacing them with good ones. Yes, I'm an Iconoclast, insofar as I'm "someone who tries to destroy traditional ideas or institutions", to quote Webster's, but it's not quite that simple. It's the thinking and beliefs behind such ideas and institutions that concerns me. People tend to think and believe some very bad things, religion being but part of a greater whole.
The thing is, if one stops at religion, one is entirely missing the point, because what people do is far more important than what people think. If bad beliefs were harmless, then we wouldn't need Atheism for opposing those beliefs. And in terms of what people actually do, religion may be the root cause or it may not. Religion is so deeply entrenched in Western Society, because of its centuries-long period of close association, that much of its effects are indirect and hard to ferret out, especially in this Secular age when so many people are ignorant of the roots of their own behaviour, ideas and beliefs.
Picasso said that "art washes away the dust of everyday life", and I think of Atheism in similar terms.


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