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2002-12-09 01:45:52
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still decorative after all these years
2011-08-30 21:42:43
Lots of LOLZ here
2009-06-19 14:44:50
erik ok
this thread should be in a GD textbook.
2008-04-09 02:49:01
Iron Canvas Studios
looks like trouble, nice simple clean design.
2008-04-08 23:45:20
ah, the memories....
2005-08-11 00:40:13
Yeah, I kind of thought these might come into the conversation.
2004-02-26 09:02:56
Michael Apparatus
2004-02-26 09:00:47
Giggle... Jason has an artshow in the city coming up so I was just going through his posters on this site again... forgot all about the discussion on this poster... absolutely classic stuff and some great back & forths in the comments.
And ofcourse dave started it all..
2003-11-05 23:47:07
Is this the biggest number of comments on one poster? 260... man...
2003-07-24 06:21:36
Brendan Jordan
Randomized argument
2003-07-24 04:22:39
Am I the only one who sees the swastika hidden on this poster?
What's that all about?
2003-07-18 20:41:36
Jimbo's back?
I was hoping...I mean...I though you were dead and I was worried.
2003-04-29 12:09:58
2003-04-29 12:05:44
you guys are all on crack. isn't a poster supposed to make people stop and look, and inform them about the show?
If i saw this poster, i'd stop and check it out. the colors are great, the information is clear, yeah it's geometery, but who cares.
give the guy a break.
2002-12-11 11:27:02
2002-12-11 07:08:06
Let it go people....let it go.
2002-12-10 22:10:51
TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO? wow
right on Jason. Do your thing. NEVER make posters for the people on this site. Please your client and yourself...
2002-12-10 21:50:57
Cody Pomeroy
you know I don't think that we've discussed this poster enough yet..wanna spend a couple more days picking it apart?
2002-12-10 21:48:25
uncle charlie
I'm with Richie, this poster is for FAGS.. A bunch of gay flowers on some brown paper.. fuck that shit.. My three year old daughter could draw this shit.. Hell its just copy/paste copy/paste.. fuck that's talented???
2002-12-10 14:02:18
I've decided I don't like this because in no way can I connect it with delicious pie. Not even as a table cloth.
2002-12-10 13:55:35
YO! At one point I swear it looked minty.
2002-12-10 13:48:42
ahem, your leadership was needed..
" philaarts.com 2002-12-09 15:15:41
good can be determined by only 1 fact
what richiegoodtimes says... "
2002-12-10 13:47:59
Not one thing strikes me about this poster. I can't believe you retards spent like 2 days discussing this. I leave here for a while and the place gets over run by retards discussing the merits of baroque wall paper as poster art. RETARDS.
I can't stress enough how retarded some of you are.
2002-12-10 13:44:29
2002-12-10 11:54:11
If this thread gets long enough, Jason can place the poster on a book cover, copy this text, and get it into the Alabama school system.
2002-12-10 11:53:08
Bradley W. Zimmerman
i can't believe i read the whoooooooole thread.
honestly, this is why i hang around this site. this kind of discussion, dick/clit-swinging or no, is more insightful and productive than anything tuition money covers.
2002-12-10 11:48:12
holy shit, im glad i recognized this as something that looked similar from before... interesting topics goin on...
whats the REAL BONE OF CONTENTION here... ? why so many posts?
2002-12-10 09:53:12
I agreed with you art...it was a minor discrepency and I made a better defined comment...thats discourse.
2002-12-10 09:53:04
art chantry
plastk - actually, i'm not taking anything out of context, i'm trying to carefully define the context. your advice is dangerous - and it is preciselybecause i skate such a fine edge in my work that i HAVE to know this stuff. so, you may think you have sound advice, but i personally know that your advice is dangerous, i'm trying to help people, not push my ego around. ok?
2002-12-10 09:44:57
boy - you really know how to take something out of context art...and by that you should also follow your own rules...much of your art hugs that fine line much more than you let on,,,you seem very steamed when its others and very defensive when its your own work.
2002-12-10 09:31:39
art chantry
the advice from the gag guidebook isn't too off, but it's not that good. there is a GREAT DEAL of information about filing and renewal and licensing and identity and trademarking and intelletual property that is not even hinted at in that paragraph you wrote.
it's a minefield, so using something as lame as a guestimated '30%' is a ticking timebomb.
sorry, it's BAD advice. don't give it out anymore.
2002-12-10 09:28:01
See, I showed this and the AA poster to my girlfriend who never sees this site so does not have some need to judge it out of context of its use. She said that while they seemed similar they were obviously different...its up to the Laymen, not the cliques.
2002-12-10 09:23:20
Youre right, 30% is not a legal number but is a general 'idea' set by past lawsuits...here is what is more actually something you should go by...which still covers this poster safely.
A. If you use someone else's copyrighted work without their permission, you always run the risk of infringing their copyright. The test for infringement is whether an ordinary observer believes your work to be copied from the other person's work. If you change the work to such a degree that an ordinary observer will not see any copying -- such as by altering the original work and adding new designs to it, you will be safe. Keep in mind that there is no percentage test -- such as changing 25 percent or 50 percent of the original work -- that will guarantee you have changed the original work enough. Also, in some cases your copying will be obvious, but it still may not be an infringement because it is what is called a "fair use." Four factors are used to determine whether using all or part of another artist's work is a fair use: (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether or not it is for profit; (2) the character of the copyrighted work (if it is news or factual, fair use is more likely to be found, whereas using fantasy or entertaining works makes a finding of fair use less likely; (3) how much of the total work is used in the course of the use; and (4) what effect the use will have on the market for or value of the copyrighted work. If you want to avoid potential copyright infringements, you can seek written permission from the person who created the art that you are copying. You would then be a licensee with the right to create and sell airbrush images of that art. Legal Guide for the Visual Artist has a permission form. In addition, Licensing Art and Design by Caryn Leland is filled with helpful information about licensing images.
2002-12-10 09:21:54
art chantry
i've learned a bit about copyright law, and that isn't true. there is no 30% rule. that actually stems from an old goverment policy of being able to reproduce money so long as it's 30% bigger or 30% smaller. a lot of people took that and extended it to all artwork. but there is no law supporting that at all. you'll just get yourself sued. and the last thing you want is to have to try to prove the intricasies of copyright law to a jury of fellow citizens. expensive! ouch!
2002-12-10 09:16:05
And, my point is this is WAY MORE than 30% difference...WAY!
2002-12-10 09:14:09
Art -
You of all people who flat out rip 40- 60's add copy for a poster should know what I am talking about, paaahhhleeezzze.
2002-12-10 09:13:26
Depends on your attorney and which jury you get...but there is copyright laws tha make these points art...
2002-12-10 09:12:43
The very nature of Graphic Design is to repurpose and recreate and take inspiration...How many Kleinsmith, Kozik, Chantry, Russian Avant Garde, War propaganda inspired posters are on this site? And, that is not a bad thing...as an artist confidence and vision grows they become more in need to define their own aesthetic and move away from what was comfortable or pleasing in inspiration of others.
2002-12-10 09:11:23
art chantry
plastk - i don't know where folks get that '30% rule' from, but it's total hokum. there is no 30% rule. copyright laws are intense complex and change almost daily. it's not good advice to toss around that 30% thing because it'll get a lot of people in trouble.
think about - just how do you extimate 30%? who gets to estimate it? you? the other artist? the jury? who? how?
2002-12-10 09:10:32
Something being defferent in Graphic design is actually a legal issue...its called 30%. If you make something it must be atleast 30% original, they teach this in school. At one point it was even considered making a 50% change just by flipping the image...that was changed in a court of law to the 30% rule with no direct use of the copied material in a fashion that it was previously used...
Sorta like I could use a Michellin man looking guy for a donut shop, but probably not for a Tire Company unless I totally recreated him with enough difference from the original...and even then there could be an arguement for parallel marketing which is also illegal within the same market.
2002-12-10 09:07:34
by making unconcostructive crit...opps..you get what i mean...
2002-12-10 07:40:48
Cody Pomeroy
amen, the very essence of "art" is that the artist is influenced by other artists and it then shows in their art. No artist is truly unique, though they want more than anything to think that. Everybody bites off of everybody that's the way it goes. If this site didn't exist, and this poster was never seen by a person who didn't know who AA was would it fucking matter? I think not. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all that shit, I pick up a little something from you guys daily. Now I gotta go work on some smoking bunny pictures, see you.
2002-12-10 07:35:20
good point supersucker. i agree. It doesn't help the designer by not make it unconstructive crit.
2002-12-10 07:27:57
Great read. Hey to each his/her own. Just be constructive and dont shit on something without going further. That makes you look like a jealous idiot. If you have the balls to say you "hate" something, be civil enough to justify your opinion. Lest you should jump on a bandwagon.
Its a fucking concert poster. People dont look that close at posters in the general public. Did it advertise -YES. Were the dates right -Yes. The rest is fucking taste. Period.
2002-12-10 06:57:25
inspiratoin is one thing. but this is waaaaaay too close to the aa poster.
2002-12-10 06:22:26
Not that at times I don't think Art doesn't deserve it but I think "godisold" is right with this. Yea there were some really shitty things said towards the end but in the begining Art was "not so simply" comenting more towards a style than this particular poster. This forum isn't just a place to pat each other on the back, its also a good place to talk and argue about design in general and that's where the good stuff is, so just because they are saying something you don't want to hear doesn't mean they don't bring anything meaningful to this site. I appriciate the comments made on the swiss style I don't really agree with them all but they made me think. There was some really great stuff amidst all the shit with this one today.
2002-12-09 22:32:55
true, I should read it all. .. .sorry
2002-12-09 22:23:13
These are the conversations that make this site great.
And I still don't like it.
2002-12-09 22:14:28
read it and you may get another take...to postulate is too easy.
2002-12-09 22:12:50
I really don't have time to read all these comments. . .but it seems that whenever Chantry puts in his two cents it turns into a "Art defends his work/himself" forum rather than a real discussion about the work in question
2002-12-09 22:08:18
yeah cody like 173 comments ago...(holy shit that is a lot of comments....)
2002-12-09 21:51:15
it reminded me of this poster.
2002-12-09 21:13:56
Cody Pomeroy
uhm..yeah this poster looks like another poster, has this already been mentioned?
2002-12-09 21:12:34
very cool, plastk.
2002-12-09 20:32:25
Platinum Rich
plastk, i agree.
that being said, i like this poster. i'm out.
2002-12-09 19:55:56
rich -
I would argue while similar there are many detailed unique elements as I have already mentioned previously. I totally respect your take, but would personally liken these to arabic mosaic styles that are repeated in literally millions of places but are all unique and subtly individual.
These both do pull off very different effects with the same treatment. Jason probably was inspiored by AA, but so am I - inspiration is no crime. I think he definately showed experimentation from what they did though and created something that is pretty good...although I don't think its his best.
Lastly, Mr. Apparatus was the coolest in being understanding to the winds of inspoiration... keep up the good work!
2002-12-09 19:51:31
Platinum Rich
also, the similarity to the aa poster, whether intentional or not is an interesting commentary on the lack of originality within those scenes.
2002-12-09 19:29:30
Platinum Rich
it represents the feminization of the male in society. it fits indie and emo perfectly. no balls and generic.
2002-12-09 19:08:50
well, i may as well post a comment on this poster (since everyone else already has). in this megatech high-turbo ultrafast industrial era, gig posters that have this mellow soothing feel (like AA's etc) can be seen as having a built-in irony. i mean, culturally, we're way beyond mellow. then again, they could be a reaction to the aforementioned high-powered onslaught. and then again, it could just be an exercise in prettiness.
2002-12-09 18:42:45
and i agree it means shit....
2002-12-09 18:18:41
hynes i know...i was being a smart ass with my whole "comment"
2002-12-09 18:14:23
skin- i'm not as thin as i used to be. baby got BACK. i really gotta say thank god for this site cause i'm like a girl right. well before i just sat there like a bump. everything was tepid but now i have my choice of middle age men to emulate and copycat so now life's great first i was kozik's parrot but i sucked up all his juice and now i'm milking art for every thought he's got once i'm ready to leave him to wither on the vine i thing i'll got for mike king he can be the intellectual humpert humpert to my sponge like lol.
2002-12-09 17:48:58
With the exception of the personel insults this was a great read and I may have actualy learned something from many of the posts.
I went from agreeing with one point to agreeing with another ..back and forth... excellent!!!
2002-12-09 17:38:39
Hynes -
My point about the pattern was that each of the two posters discussed, while similar, are using patterns to two totally different effects. Its subtle, but its there.
This is merely a comparrison / contrast used to get people to think about different ways to use patterns and grids to effectively pull off a solution.
2002-12-09 17:35:28
Its not neccesarily "all this" over this poster. Again its nothing special, thats why it got commented on so much. idont think i'd "freak" if a poster i did got this reaction. it means shit.
2002-12-09 17:30:07
So...Jason.....ummmm....whats with the pattern?
2002-12-09 17:27:12
so did we decide if we liked this or not?...i kid ikid....jason is going to freak when he see all this over his poster...whew....
2002-12-09 17:26:59
Steve H
2002-12-09 17:25:07
I return from picking up m,y girlfriend and the design talk died...hmmm.
So, whose up for discussing linear grid systems vs. duotone hue structures?
2002-12-09 17:23:13
seripop- Your very thin.
2002-12-09 17:20:56
i'm just a poor little girl thank the lord i have mr chantry to shape and mo(u)ld me.
2002-12-09 17:18:52
Long as you use that gooey phone voice, I might make ya my San Francisco treat..... fag.
2002-12-09 17:18:13
peekskill avenger
See he cant go away. Classic. This site feeds his ego. Classic passive-agressive martyr complex. Fucker your sad. Whatre you? Like 52, 53 years old?
2002-12-09 17:16:23
heh. too bad your married trucker
2002-12-09 17:15:14
"tough guy? Im no tough guy. Im a fuckin fag, basically..except I like girls."
Heh... fag.
2002-12-09 17:13:36
art chantry
(peeky - i'm tellin' ya! when you say 'schizophrenic', i just get all hot an sweaty and just gotta cum in that pink little mouth of yers. pm me! we'll set a date)
2002-12-09 17:13:17
"the chantry bandwagon? gimme a fucking break im more than capable of thinking for myself."
No argument here. You do however jump on everything Art rips up. Like clockwork.
My point to both of you is back your shit up right off the bat. Statements like "A fuckin ape could do this " or "it looks like really shitty wallpaper or a blanket from walmart" is chickenshit. If you praise something you can say you like it and that's that. If you are criticizing do the artist a favor and tell them what really doesn't work so they can choose to improve if need be. Your approach is always negative and you are "too punk" and "too cool" and "too good" to acknowledge something like this. If you went to art school you should know some things about design and be able compose a solid crit vs. "I hate it"
2002-12-09 17:13:04
peekskill avenger
Kozik read up on it. Its classic borderline schizophrenic behaviour. That guy thinks hes a mindfucker but he isnt good enough to pull it off flawlessly. Sad sad sad.
2002-12-09 17:12:13
peekskill avenger
Classic schizophrenic behaviour. Confronted with revealed diagnosis of his mental state, he runs. He veils the shit in humor and haughty 'Ive taught you a lesson and if you think real hard youll get it' behavior. Obvious shit. Youre a sad old man who hasnt done an innovative thing in over a decade. Youse guys who sit around and eat this guys guff should get a clue. You work more than he does!
2002-12-09 17:10:11
Iit seems to me that there is some elusive 'reward' you feel is/has been denied you...that is at the bottom of all your commentary.
what is it?
I mean..I'm a narcissistic pig and all..but you my man have a Martyr Complex of staggering proportions.
2002-12-09 17:08:54
art chantry
yaknow, magnifico is dead on. i'm bushed (no pun intended). i gotta do something else for awhile.
thanks for the dilaog. i enjoyed this a LOT. i hope you guys out there use it positivly and not just hate me (like is the usual way it goes). there is a stuff to learn in this discussion on both sides (insults alone were worth the price of admission.) i know i did.
peekskill - it's a standing offer.
2002-12-09 17:07:06
interesting. I tend to avoid academia myself, except for the occasional student who is doing a thesis paper on yours truly(theres been 7 so far).
Yale also uses my animated Dante film in one of their course syllabi.
I am very-anti academic..yet they seem to like me just fine.
Art..I feel that there was some sort of 'primal moment' deep in your past that wounded you somehow...
2002-12-09 17:06:18
gun sho
i don't have a problem with this poster. it's nothing mindblowing but I've seen people on here love much worse posters. it looks like the sort of design that's typical of the emo-post-hardcore thing, this guy's stuff reminds me of pretty much every polyvinyl records design to date, some of it works better than others. i just think these comments have turned into an excuse to shit on people and it's annoying. aside from that, look at this guy's other posters, he's obviously going for a look and i think that some of it is pretty successful.
2002-12-09 17:05:28
Mr Frumpy
I mean be honest, it is only wallpaper right? A bit like that album of ian Durys, ( I think), where they the used 16 different wallpapers for 16 different record sleeves...genius, collect em all. Like Mojo Magazine does releasing 4 covers with different beatles or stones of whatever on em... same shit inside though
2002-12-09 17:05:08
peekskill avenger
I cant think of one thing beneficial youve done on this site. Every conversation you start is destructive. Maybe you think thats all 'punk rock'. Youre an old man though so it comes off looking a little comical. An old jewish guy in St.Louis 'shaking up the system'...
2002-12-09 17:05:03
El Negro Magnifico!
Wow. I read all of these comments. I thought I was tired BEFORE I read 'em. I'm gonna eat something.
2002-12-09 17:04:12
art chantry
peekskill - i wanna skullfuck you, you lovely little thing. com e to daddy....
2002-12-09 17:03:25
art chantry
speaking figuratively, franky. however, i do know a lot of people who sacrificed a big chunk of their lives dedicated to certain design artforms, only to have them usurped by academic swine. they might as well have died.
2002-12-09 17:02:32
peekskill avenger
Youre probably off of your meds. And your art opinions arent all encompassing. Some of them just plain suck and a few of them are just flawed.
2002-12-09 17:02:08
Steve H
yea but not in those colours man
2002-12-09 17:01:52
uh..who died for deconstructed design?
2002-12-09 17:00:58
art chantry
peekskill - c'mover hyeah! yoo gotta uh purdy li'l mouth...
2002-12-09 16:59:42
art chantry
the funniest part about this 'academic swiss' style is that when computers came along and showed how easy it is (computers work on grids, ya know) that the human hand is not necessary to do swiss design (thus truly being an 'endpoint' design style) you started to see all of the major institutions start to frantically grope for new directions - postmodernism, new wave, vernacularism - all the time never acknowledging that people like us - the lowly rabble of popular culture - had beat them to the punch decades ago. so, they still don't acknowledge what we do in proper 'design history'. all 'new' innovative design ideas have salways got to emerge from the 'thinktanks' of academia. so, we get appropriated by geeks like tibor and scher and grieman etc., never even acknowledging the people who died for this crap. they think because they found it in a store somewhere they discovered a new style to name and adopt.
total crap.
2002-12-09 16:58:49
peekskill avenger
"peekskill - i have no idea what or why you are talking about."
Like plastk said, I agree with Stinkbait. About you and Seri, your shadow. First she was Franks shadow now shes yours. And I now know that you are crazy. Literally mentally ill. Sick. You have obvious schizophrenic tendencies to anyone whos studied that kinda shit. You probably are on some kind of medication. Thats what Im talking about.
2002-12-09 16:56:52
Mr Frumpy
ROFL... steve, that was incisive, well executed and appropiate. I fucking nearly spat coffee over the monitor. :-)
2002-12-09 16:56:04
Steve H
its a kinda nowhere poster to me, way too many things have been said about it already but while i'm here i might as well add my uneducated opinion, its nice, maybe an ape could've done it but how often does that happen? and everytime the concept is what matters, not the execution, so yea, if the bands are nice, boring and effeminate then its by gigposters definition, good, or is this one different somehow?
2002-12-09 16:53:24
the chantry bandwagon? gimme a fucking break im more than capable of thinking for myself.
2002-12-09 16:51:54
art chantry
sandard - i trul stand by my statement. a chimp can do this shit. the swiss design system is essential a standard (no pun intended) grid with clean clear (helvetica) typography adhearing to the grid. it was a design system to end all design, the final stage of human intellectual developement.
but, like hynes and plastk admirably pointed out, it is a STARTING point, not an end point.
they taught this system in schools (still do) because you CAN teach it - to ANYBODY! even the slow kids. it became 'good' design because it was all that's taught in academia.
what we are (all of us on this sight) doing is the antihesis of this sort of design. we are doing the HARD STUFF - out in the trenches. and i'll be damned if i'll see some junk like that show up here and go heralded as 'good'.
i care about this stuff. it's been my life forever.
2002-12-09 16:51:30
ok this is why i dislike this and i'm not trying to piss in anyone's soda or be "negi" while in art scoool i took a few classes desing students where advised to take : fibres and screenprinting in fiberes in was all the 3 d design students, in print all the 2 d. in BOTH classes ALL the fucking desing majors turned in stuff that loked this. no matter what the assingment was. other students would do weird cool stufff with images or text or drawinge design students did this. all of them u'd walk in the claas room and spot from a distance who were the design majors and who were the studio majors cause while the studio kids all had pretty varied and personal stuff the design students work was all indentical pretty floral paterns they either scaned from wallpaper of fabrick or put together with clip art and photo shop. in the years i was there i must have seen DOZENS of projects that looked EXACTLY like this. then when i started doing posters last year stuff thjat looked like this started poping up everywhere. kinda the devil girl of the moment on the wall of my city dozens of posters identical to this but all but diffrent people in shows the same yet while a good devil girl can have spark, sexiness and attititude all this has is "oh pretty" how bland yeah maybe it fits the dull ,pretty music- god knows there is no shortage of THAT in today's indie rock just when i look at this i don't see any of the things that draw me to a work of art poster or other and those are wit, originality, spark, personality and freshness. alot of things on here i like cause i see them as cool fresh ideas get dissed for not being "well excuted" this isn't new OR espcially well excuted. and yet there are posters using similar patterns that work ten times better on this site why?
2002-12-09 16:50:30
OK replace Jermaines posters with some other persons stuff you dislike...aand answer the question.
apart from being a little mesmerized by 19th century European culture Jermaine is OK by me.
2002-12-09 16:49:02
It does nothing for me but I can see what it might be trying to communicate, if it is a curtain and the bands are boring/effeminate then the CONCEPT is kind of good. But as far as being good design -wise, its nothing special. First it looks like some previous poster, second: This is just a repeat pattern (barring the 2 lines of type) A Repeat pattern while being a fundamental of design, is not a design. Its a basic principle.
2002-12-09 16:48:26
well..seeing as how a 5 dollar DONATION is requested I bet like only 12 people showed up.
that donation deal means one thing-no one cares.
2002-12-09 16:46:21
Art you are a sneaky bastard that's for sure. This was your first, highly inflammatory, comment:
"a fucking ape can do this shit."
Then Chloe climbed on the Chantry bandwagon started spewing her typical bile. Thus prompting my comments. Now You have turned this into a genuine discussion about design. (which is awesome) But why do you have to be such a curmudgeonly fuck about it?
This guy is good and if he's like me he looks up to you quite a bit. Why intentionally try to crush his will to produce by telling him an ape can do work as good as he can? This may not be his best stuff but for someone with five poster on here he's pretty fuckin' consentient with really great potential.
I've been defending you and your art offline to people ever since you went off on that Volante poster and it's been really tough. Why don't you lead off with some decent constructive critique sometime and have a civil discussion about what you know and how you could teach? Why should anyone listen to a nutter rant and shit on stuff at first only to finally get around to an actual discussion. You and Chloe really discredit yourselves with your approach. I'd love to learn more from what you have to offer but I get tired of wadding through the crap to get the good stuff.
2002-12-09 16:46:02
art chantry
ah! it's about jermaine, huh? just because i don't like jermaine, you take it upon yourself to try to trash me every chance you get, huh? very clever of you!
did it ever occur to you that just maybe i may be right to dislike jermaine? like maybe he's been a real prick to me for a long long time, and that maybe he isn't a prick to you at all? ever think that could be a possibility, frank?
2002-12-09 16:45:49
If there is a plane full of interior designers or hair dressers looking for me, this one hands down!
2002-12-09 16:44:53
tough guy? Im no tough guy. Im a fuckin fag, basically..except I like girls.
2002-12-09 16:43:57
If this poster recieved a fraction of the attention from its intended audience that it has recieved here then it was a really good poster! I guess that's why they teach monkeys that this is good design... look at the response. Even if it does suck I bet we all know now what bands are playing.
2002-12-09 16:43:38
lets see.... lets say you where starnded on a desert island and had to choose between a shelter that looked like this or one that was covered with say...Jermaine Rogers paintings.
you can only choose one. which do you choose?
2002-12-09 16:43:08
Damn, 156 comments! Jason Munn is one lucky bastard. All because of wrapping paper that ain't minty.
2002-12-09 16:42:49
art chantry
so, you try to fuck me because you read your agenda into my statements?
i'm really tired of your bullshit, too, frank. tough guy. make me puke.
2002-12-09 16:42:30
I only jumped you when you started gettin all uppity.
all power to the people's soviet!
2002-12-09 16:41:06
I'm with you Art, I don't like it either.
2002-12-09 16:40:48
art chantry
i won't let this be because i clearly stated that i thought this was a bad poster and clearly explained why i thought that. then everybody here, including you frank, saw fit to jump my ass and try to give me a good reamjob. on top of that you didn't manage to get it wet, so now you're acting all innocent and coy. me, i feel used. maybe a little raped.
2002-12-09 16:39:21
why cant it just be?
stop laying your Fascist Category trip on me maaaaaaaaaan..
got any weed?
2002-12-09 16:37:02
I bet this tastes like yogurt. Like a raspberry chocolate yogurt. Yick.
2002-12-09 16:35:32
art chantry
ok. so does that make this a GOOD poster or a BAD poster?
2002-12-09 16:35:18
Art, I am not arguing that..rather I am saying that pattern and form gives the possibility of the chaos. much how you were mentioning earlier that by knowing rules and how they work you can effectively break them to gain specific or percieved effect, like that of chaos...even though the chaos sits on a measurable form of a piece of paper...or other measurable substrate.
2002-12-09 16:34:10
art chantry
plasyk - please learn that a difference is not a condemnation. i'm not condemning you or your ideas. i'm disgreeing with them. out of this encounter will come knowledge. calling you a fuckface would be a condemnation. i'm not calling you anything at all.
2002-12-09 16:33:30
I say cut to the chase and slap some juicy ta-tas on there.
2002-12-09 16:32:29
art chantry
yes, it's true that a pattern IS a design. but conversely design is NOT a pattern. to say that all design stems from pattern eliminates chaos - the punks most trusted friend. with the element chance comes humanity. to say that pattern is the source of this language form is to eliminate chance.
2002-12-09 16:31:18
which one dear sir, please be explicit in your condemnations.
2002-12-09 16:30:14
Not THE fundamental of design, but one of the fundamentals with things like scale & contrast.
2002-12-09 16:29:45
standard -
seriously, now you see how by using say a pattern element, you could break it form and get a whoile other effect.
Holy shit, were talking about design!
2002-12-09 16:29:36
art chantry
plastk - i couldn't disagree more with your narrow statement.
2002-12-09 16:28:52
art - i too have found that love for you. i love you art.
2002-12-09 16:28:29
I think a skidmark down the center of the poster would create a dynamic bit of negative space.
2002-12-09 16:27:55
from pattern all more complex design grows from.
2002-12-09 16:27:46
but pattern is one of the first things tought, even to children, on how to understand and relate to design. a pattern is a design.
2002-12-09 16:27:11
art chantry
plastk - quit shitting on this poster!
2002-12-09 16:26:53
put this pattern on some little girls panties and no one is saying a word about it.
2002-12-09 16:26:05
art chantry
repeating patterns are NOT the fundamentals of design. they are the fundamentals of pattern. design is not necessarily a pattern.
2002-12-09 16:25:57
art chantry
oh. i thought you were saying that you read in a book that this is what good design looks like and that you were defending it because of what the book said.
sorry. my bad.
2002-12-09 16:24:54
2002-12-09 16:24:45
Repeat patterns are fundamentals of design.
2002-12-09 16:23:46
This would look good with a red bow.
2002-12-09 16:23:45
Just to show how poopular patterns and the like are, and how relavent this is I will point you to a website members of Factor27 have helped to create.
2002-12-09 16:23:02
art chantry
i was referring to plastk in my last post.
2002-12-09 16:23:01
art chantry
huh? me no get why you said that.
2002-12-09 16:22:32
If these bands sound like this is telling me they are going to sound like - then it IS a GOOD concept. Anyone care to admit they know what these bands sound like. I bet my description is pretty close to accurate.
2002-12-09 16:22:11
I like this poster alot.
I am just trying to point out the commercial value of layout. which, by the way, both this and the AA do very very well.
I don't see graphic design and the world of commercial art as something to be afraid of...it is me and I am it. Those are facts I can't runaway from. I like a well designed book cover as much as a well deigned stove top or sweatshirt. I am not scared to admit that.
Just looking at the graphic design world outside of posters but in relationship with them.
2002-12-09 16:21:14
art chantry
yer right! that IS a concept! so, there ya go!
is it a GOOD concept? (heh)
2002-12-09 16:20:39
It's telling me to buy a Whopper®.
2002-12-09 16:20:36
The headliner is the CURTAINS, and this thing looks like a curtain. The bands (who i know nothing about) are probably kind of boring and possibly a little effeminate. Simple, there's your concept. Plus if you go look at the latest comments posted pages this poster is repeated so many times it does look like wallpaper. I still think its a curtain. DUH!
2002-12-09 16:19:15
art chantry
hey plastk - quit shitting on this poster!
2002-12-09 16:15:41
Someone should try this with hot sauce bottles.
2002-12-09 16:14:46
...that's ro-A-ch motel
2002-12-09 16:14:30
youre right! I could see these as some kind of japanese or latin american candied sweet tart....or colored scandanavian chocolates...or maybe hawaiin roch motels that double as air fresheners.
Would be a cool for a rose show too.
Speaking of patterns...this is also used for comparison of items posters...like say a poster with peppers of all kinds on it. ...anywho...
2002-12-09 16:13:42
I hat to waffle on this, but if it smells like tic tacs I like this again.
2002-12-09 16:13:06
2002-12-09 16:09:48
What do you think this smells like?
2002-12-09 16:09:05
this has seven columns so the pattern created is symmetric thus the X created in the middle of the image.
Two completely different ways of utilizing pattern into form and form into pattern.
I only mention this because it is something anyone can play with if they realize its there...I wonder if either of these artist specifically arranged thier numbered rows of elements in a particular order for a specific effect...if so - then mad props to both.
2002-12-09 16:07:38
'because the Bible says its so'
no joy in badinage Arturo?
2002-12-09 16:05:35
art chantry
and this is still a bad poster.
2002-12-09 16:01:29
rules..I have laways viewed my own rules as the result of my limitations. as my tastes change and work changes(for better or worse I have no real idea) my own rules change. Some day I hope to discard them all.
AD for RS?
big whoop. Banal.
anyway...all I can say is that my abilities are limited, I never had any rules to break other than my own ones and I have done just fine in our tiny world of pop advertising.
But perhaps you are right. I certainly cannot state anything with certainty, as the world is ever changing..except for the basics. We do not really deal with the basics. we sit around on our fat butts drawing purty shit and complaining about the system while we have NEVER like..worked a rice paddy.
so its all bullshit.
2002-12-09 16:00:08
art chantry
i used to admire roger black until he started making stupid rules. i should never have used the word 'rule' here. it's not exactly what i meant, and everybody here reacts strongly to that word. i do too.
2002-12-09 15:58:13
art chantry
oh, amd peolpe shit on poster all the time. it's one of the things that people do. we ALL do it. to condemn one person for saying something ranking another poster is the most human of acts, not to be denied. it's why this site exists, it's why you folks all come her. to say otherwise is a total hypocrisy.
but then, i LIKE hypocrisy. it's funny.
2002-12-09 15:55:39
Roger Black was the AD at Rolling Stone for some years... he's best known (I would say) for being big on rules. And breaking them. He wrote somewhere about the 10 rules. for instance: "Rule #1: Your first color is white, your second color is black, your third color is red." Kinda like that. "Never track all cap text".... etc.
2002-12-09 15:53:35
art chantry
ahhh, but the only purpose of rules is to break them! however, you first need to know the rules in order to break them with reason.
roger black once looked at my portfolio and said - "gee, it's really cool to see an entire portfolio built around a style that was popular in california for two weeks three years ago."
i never thanked him for that.
frank, i'm not trying to hem your lard in, i'm trying to help folks understand that there are all kinds of differences here that exist for specific reasons, not just taste and whims.
2002-12-09 15:53:03
This would make a pretty quilt.
2002-12-09 15:51:40
because I hate psuedo-Marxist claptrap. its a hypocritical front.
Your using art for political means. I do not like that.
art should be free of all rules.
thats the point.
you got too many rules. way too many.
Plus, I love you.
Anyway...whos Roger Black?
did he have 'ideas'?
2002-12-09 15:50:20
This does kind of remind me of the wallpaper in the Pussy Cat Theater bathroom. What a great glory hole they had.
2002-12-09 15:50:19
Art, thats cool...I dont have a problem with someone not liking something...its the blatant shitting on it that is lame...I think atleast attempting to be positive about the fact that people are creating as opposed to doing nothing is good for all of us as a community...
There are many posters I don't like on this site...but I LOVE the fact that everyone is making them...and I wish them the best and only hope that everyone continues to create and express...its the only real fight there is.
2002-12-09 15:49:03
Just pointing out that just about everything you've said here about what design "is", sounds very much like Black's 10 Rules... nothing more.
2002-12-09 15:46:57
anyone notice the sublimanal pink X that brings your eye to the center of this piece, I just realized it...I can't stop my eyes.
2002-12-09 15:45:37
art chantry
uhg! roger black! now i have to kill myself! uhg!
2002-12-09 15:45:26
art chantry
i'm not threatened by this poster. i just don't like - and i tried to explain why. so what?
frank, you always seem threatened by damn near eveything i say here. why?
2002-12-09 15:44:34
but its bloody jimbo, I was sure you would like it.
2002-12-09 15:43:59
Mr. Chantry seems more and more like Roger Black in this discussion... While Mr. Kozik seems to be taking the more Warhol aspect... Screw us all! If it works, it works. Purile semantics, lofty "theory", and other bullshit aside. If it communicated the band's message and gets people to the show, isn't that enough?
2002-12-09 15:43:44
Maybe Art was asked by the artist instead of the venue to do this poster.
2002-12-09 15:43:10
I like this better than his fish. That one feels briney.
2002-12-09 15:41:31
I am discussing.
You seem very threatened by this poster.
2002-12-09 15:41:08
by the way...I prefer the term 'Paternally Challenged'
2002-12-09 15:40:23
art chantry
i'm not stupid, frank. it was a discussion. if it bothers you so much, don't participate.
now go enjoy yer little poster...
2002-12-09 15:40:00
I got a new bodywash and my cornhole feels very minty indeed.
2002-12-09 15:39:19
I can enjoy this without wanting to do it.
variety is the spice of life.
its like you got a hold of one idea once and just cant let it go.
the world is HUGE.
2002-12-09 15:38:48
You bastards wouldn't know minty if it cornholed ya.
2002-12-09 15:38:11
art chantry
boy, i really got you boys going! tell you what i'll buy you copies of this thing for xmas. you can hang them in your studios and make your work look just like it. it'll be easy.
2002-12-09 15:36:27
Art does kind of get pounced on but he holds his own. Im sure he doesnt care that i say that. Seripop just chimes in to whatever Chantry says. Art does have interesting points. But I think design and decor can be the same. Had to put in my 2 cents.
2002-12-09 15:36:02
Semantics are such a bore.
2002-12-09 15:35:30
design is the art of deliberate decoration
2002-12-09 15:35:04
design enhances the functionality of a piece decoration embellishes it.
2002-12-09 15:34:56
Its graphic design, not an answer to world hunger...it does as much to me as anything you have done...rehashed, yes - as is most of yours...treated in a well designed manner, yes - as is most of yours...
Myabe you should get into Performance Art and let your voice be heard...?
2002-12-09 15:34:38
art chantry
frank - how is what you said any different from what i'm talking about?
2002-12-09 15:34:13
a nice form or line or palette is not a political device. That is the road to Auschwitz and Siberia.
2002-12-09 15:34:13
art chantry
do you folks agree there is a difference between 'design' and 'decoration'?
2002-12-09 15:33:21
sometimes aposter is just a...poster.
not everyine has or needs some vast dialectic framework to work within.
all you commentary reeks of psuedo-marxist rhetoric...and it REALLY bugs me that you apply it to the most innocent of pleasures-pop music.
I do artwork to ESCAPE that drivel.
2002-12-09 15:33:14
I thought the best design was one that got you chicks. Like puppies or something.
2002-12-09 15:33:11
art chantry
the best design is a languge - a communication between viewer and designer (or 'artist or illustrator or whatever you want). does anybody here disagree with that? if not, then this says nothing according to every single post.
2002-12-09 15:32:20
art chantry
plastk =
you just added a desription. you haven't really said what any of this thing means about anything (except 'harmony','balance', etc.). why do this thing if it does nothing?
2002-12-09 15:30:30
why do you assume im talking about you?
2002-12-09 15:29:52
I like it because its simple and visually pleasing. My taste in visuals is broad I like your stuff, illustration AND this sort of thing. this IS wallpaper. craft only. theres no political message. I like that. Its strictly decorative. It also looks very sort of Japanese..like a Kimono pattern. I like the colors. they are wrong but work great. I like the proportions of it..it feels solid, yet light at the same time.
I do not need a message. its visually pleasing.
2002-12-09 15:29:23
art chantry
frank - exactly how do you think you managed to show "i have no clothes"? c'mon, dude. don't go giving yourself so much credit.
peekskill - you particularly cracked me up when you posted such a vicious and nasty remark and then accuse me of 'negativity'. very funny!
2002-12-09 15:28:47
I like the pattern form created out of the negative space. a minimal design has the ability to highlight itesms such as negative space quite well...the two tones of the font colors also add to the balance...I do like the pinback poster even more though...
2002-12-09 15:27:21
art chantry
frank - you only seem to be describing it, not really seeing it. WHY do you like it so much? i really want to know. your reasons may actauall y help me see this thing in a different way (although i can't imagine how).
2002-12-09 15:26:37
'mommy he isnt wearing any clothes!'
2002-12-09 15:26:19
The use of negative space is what this is really about. That and minty.
2002-12-09 15:25:27
art chantry
of course he did. i read it, too. but the constant attacks on me because i don't think this is a good poster are sorta silly, don't you think. i swear, sometimes some of you guys only come alive when you can attack me. cracks me up.
2002-12-09 15:24:46
he said ditto art, that means he is speaking the same sentiments as stinkbait was...add that to your permanent record as well.
2002-12-09 15:23:53
ok...I like the bold chunk of weird brown in relationship to the chrysanthemums. the line weight and colors of the flowers lend this a sort of subtle shimmer. I like the fact that theres a line of flowers on the bottm which really sort of finish this off. I like the compressed font, I like the bizarre yet tonally pleasing pallette. I like the precision and sterility.
IO hope its like 4 foot tall.
2002-12-09 15:23:22
he did art, as did stinkbait.
and by the way - I entered your promoter rule into my databank too.
2002-12-09 15:22:45
art chantry
peekskill - i have no idea what or why you are talking about.
2002-12-09 15:22:29
Atleast it gets a reaction. Damn 60+ comments. I dream of that kind of attention.
2002-12-09 15:21:43
uncle charlie
i actually would like to see a poster like this that you could tile next to itself so it could become wallpaper on the side of a building..
2002-12-09 15:21:19
art chantry
frank - quit talking about me and talk about the poster.
2002-12-09 15:20:54
art chantry
your definition has just entered my permanent record.
2002-12-09 15:19:56
uncle charlie
2002-12-09 15:19:53
this is a good poster because it is completely of its time right now. flatness is good right now. the piece is balanced and harmonic. the color choice is ironic. it's very sterility lends it an appeal.
I was immediately drawn to the thumbnail.
i like this for the same reason I like a nice area of tile in a foyer.
it seems to be restrained and controlled and smooth. perhaps the bands are too, who knows?
anyway who are you , Hitler?
Entarte Kunst Meister?
not everything has to be some decontructed 1950's psuedo intellectual kitsch collage.
2002-12-09 15:19:50
This poster is definetly not my taste but you know whatever. I'm obviously not the person to judge it.
I allways try to make posters that I think the band will like. That way I'm pretty sure the people who would come to the show will also like it. if I'm doing a poster for a band I don't know much about I go find some of there music and educate myself some. i find it helps get me in the right frame of mind for creating a poster that will work. Maybe thats the case with this popster.
2002-12-09 15:19:23
a dumpster diver is quite different than a dumpster hound...a dumpster hound LIVES LITERALLY IN DUMPSTERS, if you do - then you are a bum. Not that that's bad...just is what it is...I met my first dumpster hounds behind PIZZA CLASSICS in Austin...30 year olds who said they had been in Vietnam and shit like that while smelling more like they had been drinking lighter fluid...or better yet, huffing gold flake paint.
2002-12-09 15:18:52
peekskill avenger
"I have TONS of respect for your output Art and I also dig what Seripop's accomplished in such a short time but you two collectively bring more negativity to this site than everyone else combined. That's bullshit and a waste of everyone's energy. Why not take your track records and talent and do something positive? At least this guy is creating SOMETHING.
This poster doesn't suck half as much as your shitty attitudes do."
2002-12-09 15:18:16
art chantry
phil - DAMN! I FORGOT!!! wjere is that bastard?
2002-12-09 15:16:37
good can be determined by only 1 fact
what richiegoodtimes says...
2002-12-09 15:15:41
art chantry
good and bad are extremely subjective. i've given my reasons WHY i think it's a bad poster. aside from PRETTY, nobody's been able to give a single reason why it's a GOOD poster. are you folks just trying to be nice?
2002-12-09 15:14:58
sometimes just being pretty is nice.
I suppose the true yest is whether or not the bands where pleased by it.
remember bands? the ONLY reason posters exist?
2002-12-09 15:13:18
Who can say what is "good" and what is "bad"? Oh I know, the doorman! A "good" poster gets asses in the door. If it appeals to us visually or whatever, it becomes collectable art. And that's all I gots to say about that... just an opinion of course.
2002-12-09 15:12:00
yeah.. thanks... i really was trying to get yer point... thanks!
i wanna bang martha btw..
2002-12-09 15:08:33
art chantry
plastk - actually i AM a dumpster hound. but i'm not a bum. i work very hard at everything i do. maybe too hard.
2002-12-09 15:08:16
art chantry
when i say 'easy'. i'm certainly NOT referring to the difficulty of execution. the best work is often the 'simplest' work. but that simplicity can be extraordinarily deceptive and can mask an extremely complex and incisive concept.
this poster is easy because is has NO concept. it's just a pretty pretty that could say any band you want, or 'buy lima beans' or martha stewart christmas' or 'vote for hillary'. it's easy because it's generic and pointless.
have i clarified my remark?
2002-12-09 15:06:57
jimbo - minty with a pinch of urine?
2002-12-09 15:04:21
Art - it merely rhymmed, i trust you aren't a dumpster hound...though I wouldn't hold it against you.
2002-12-09 15:03:31
the one thing that i keep thinking art is when you refer to it being an "easy" poster to do... agreed, it probably is.. or was.. as you pointed out, i can do it..
but i find alot of GREAT posters here that fall under "great but simple" you know?
ps. you arent a bum.. :P
2002-12-09 15:03:11
It ain't as minty as it looks. That's all I'm saying.
2002-12-09 15:02:21
art chantry
plastik -
totally fair!
(except the 'bum' part.)
2002-12-09 15:01:06
Art - THIS IS A GOOD POSTER, so there you bum.
2002-12-09 15:00:33
art chantry
frank -
by that criteria, there's a lot of good posters on this site. heh.
2002-12-09 15:00:33
the only good poster is a dead poster.
2002-12-09 14:58:56
art chantry
jeph -
so there, chum!
2002-12-09 14:58:00
pink and brown... its a very cool combo..
peveto... eat me :P
2002-12-09 14:56:19
Especially those of you who can't take critism yerself.
2002-12-09 14:55:43
Joe Konopka
i hate the idea of using flowers but this looks subtle, yet crisp and delicate
2002-12-09 14:55:28
I was waiting for someone to go off. Nicely done "Stinkbait". I agree with you, I certainly don't like at lot of stuff on this site, but I think a person can say they're not fond of something or don't like something without calling it "junk" or "wallpaper" or whatever. Someone put all lot of work into this and because you don't like it, doesn't make it shit. NOBODY on this site puts out stuff that everyone likes. I believe the term is "Constructive Critism" You don't have to like it but don't shit on it.
2002-12-09 14:54:44
I kinda like it myself. dont know why. I think its the colors.
2002-12-09 14:47:54
Man what a bunch of downers you guys are. Does anyone bashing this know jackshit about the bands? This could be 100% applicable to what it's promoting. This is just like when people flipped out on the Nocturnal Show Print piece with Art calling it "dreadful 'designerly' crap." That design was perfect for what they were promoting maybe this is too. I don't know The Curtains or any of these bands but in looking at Jason's other posters you can tell he's placing some thought in the concept and how it applies to the show or band.
I agree it's a little too close to the AA piece for me but this isn't a bad design or gigposter. The colours work well and the attention to the layout, spatial relationships and font choice are also well done.
I have TONS of respect for your output Art and I also dig what Seripop's accomplished in such a short time but you two collectively bring more negativity to this site than everyone else combined. That's bullshit and a waste of everyone's energy. Why not take your track records and talent and do something positive? At least this guy is creating SOMETHING.
This poster doesn't suck half as much as your shitty attitudes do.
2002-12-09 14:43:47
its symetrical... pink and brown is cool...
2002-12-09 13:36:32
Don't lick the screen. It ain't minty.
2002-12-09 13:18:55
I didn't say Chloe wasn't right.... I didn't like it the first time around. :o)
2002-12-09 13:17:18
Bleckkkkk!!!! You're right! These aren't minty. But I am starting to feel woozy....
2002-12-09 12:47:21
Those aren't mints they're those annoying decorative soaps that smell of corn silk and lavender. How could be so blind to it's bold statement. "You are all dirty WHORES!"
2002-12-09 12:44:27
art chantry
minty, but not 'fresh'
2002-12-09 12:37:51
I still say it's minty.
2002-12-09 12:34:46
art chantry
chloe's right . it really does look like shitty wallpaper. perhaps what you'd see in a cheap furnished flat in charing cross in london...
2002-12-09 12:33:56
OH yea, your books shipped a week or so ago.... :o)
2002-12-09 12:29:45
Chloe, didn't you pm some folks pissed off that they were making fun of one of your posters like a week or so ago?
If one of us said something like "it looks like really shitty wallpaper or a blanket from walmart" on one of your posters, you'd be postal.
2002-12-09 12:29:13
Looks minty.
2002-12-09 11:47:20
i still hate it i find it dull and uninspired .
2002-12-09 11:46:19
art chantry
seems to me this particular style pretty much pooped out when modernism keeled over.now it just looks 'retro'.
isn't it funny that modernism has just become another 'retro' style?
2002-12-09 09:45:15
art chantry
"not the most compelling design..."
that's all i'm trying to say.
that, and the fact that this is still what is considered excellent design in the "wonderful world of graphic design."
2002-12-09 09:43:35
Michael Apparatus
Right. And as designers I would bet the majority of us have been guilty of "copycatting" before and probably will again with out that intention.
I don't know anything about the bands on this poster so I guess I can't really say if it makes sense or not. I agree it's not the most compelling design...
2002-12-09 09:42:12
art chantry
i guess you're still talking about "copycatting" (intentional or otherwise.) i'm not talking about that.
we've pretty much worn that particular topic down to the bone on this site.
2002-12-09 09:38:52
art chantry
michael - what's your point? i don't get it.
2002-12-09 09:35:12
Ouch. Hate huh? Wow.
It doesn't do anything for me personally, but I can't imagine actually hating it.
>>>It looks like really shitty wallpaper or a blanket from walmart not deep , interesting, smart or fun. meh meh meh i HATE it.<<<<
2002-12-09 09:34:24
art chantry
but you get my point. this isn't really design - it's geometry as decoration. it has no narrative value - nothing to say to anyone except people who make things look pretty. seems to me that if there's one thing that these gigposters do is challenge the viewer, to attempt interaction, to inspire feelings or thought.
this poster just sits there like a lump. it takes no real creative insight to do this poster. anybody on this site could have done it. nobody bothers to because there is NO personal creative challenge to it. even AA says so.
2002-12-09 09:33:16
Michael Apparatus
Oh, you know, give this fella a break. He may have not even known he was ripping off one of our posters. I know I've inadvertently ripped off other posters before...wait...I'll show you...
2002-12-09 09:32:58
marthas towels rule..
i understand what you are saying art, and i totally respect your opinion... you are nutty, but you know stuff...
but one thing that can be said ALOT of posters that get praise here can also be done by anyone.. u know? ie your sister etc..
2002-12-09 09:28:21
hip to be bland?
2002-12-09 09:26:38
art chantry
suddenly, it's kinda funny! i wonder if it's some sort of way too subtle commentary on consumer society and our collective slavery to shopping????
2002-12-09 09:26:31
art chantry
chloe - you may be right! i think this was ripped-off from martha stewarts' christmas selections!
2002-12-09 09:25:15
it looks like really shitty wallpaper or a blanket from walmart not deep , interesting, smart or fun. meh meh meh i HATE it.
2002-12-09 09:22:45
art chantry
i'd have to go back and look at the other poster, but i think they are not very smart or talented posters. dave, YOU could do this poster. my SISTER could do this poster. so, i don't think it's very special. pretty? absolutely! (i'd hang it in my bathroom). good (as i define 'good')? not really.
2002-12-09 09:20:32
so both in your opinion are crappy posters?
2002-12-09 09:15:21
art chantry
this kind of layout is what they teach in university design programs as 'good' design. a fucking ape can do this shit.
an instructor from the university of washington design department (about as consevative a design program as exists - they used to teach my work in class as how NOT to do deaign. they held me up a shinning bad example) was in my studio one day (a long story). he was curious about what i did. i showed him a copy of mu "instant litter" book and talked about how great i thought punk stuff was. he flipped through it, occaisionally stopping, staring, finally he stammered out, "But.... it's just.... so.......UGLY."
he really thinks design exists to impose order on a chaotic world and that beautiful was the highest called of the designer.
his work looked exactly like this poster.
2002-12-09 09:12:58
jason head of state
I am not sure how anyone who submits work on this site can execute this poster with a clean conscience. I think its funny that the layout and the premise is what seems to have been 'borrowed' and not AA's type/color sensitivity or concept. Just sayin' is all.
2002-12-09 09:06:14
ow, i was just gonna post all that. its kinda weird, they took the trouble to use your idea, but they totally blew it, AA's colors are so much richer.
2002-12-09 08:19:23
Michael Apparatus
Hey yeah. This looks like one of our posters.
2002-12-09 08:15:51
this looks very similar to a poster i think like with circles a few months back.. i cant remember. im sure someone is dorkier and can remember.. prehaps an aa poster?
2002-12-09 06:53:27
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Abnormal water levels can cause serious problems on the Great Lakes particularly Lakes Erie and Huron. Lake levels above normal cause flooding, while below normal lake levels cause navigational problems. In 1969, at the request of the National Weather Service (NWS) Eastern Region, the Techniques Development Laboratory (TDL) developed an automated, statistical storm surge forecast guidance system for Buffalo and Toledo on Lake Erie (Richardson and Pore 1969), and in 1977 a similar system was developed for Essexville and Lakeport on Lake Huron (NWS 1977).
In 1979, the system for Lake Erie was changed from a statistical to a dynamical system (Schwab 1978 and Richardson and Schwab 1979). In 1983, the Lake Erie guidance was extended from the 36-h out to the 48-h projection.
Richardson and Schwab (1979) determined that the use of multiple equation sets caused the statistical storm surge forecasts to have spurious oscillations. They remedied the problem by computing the water level fluctuations for each 6-h interval between 01- and 48-h and determining which interval had the largest difference (highest or lowest) They recomputed the water levels by using the equation set that produced the greatest difference, applying it with forecast values of pressure from the numerical model to get forecast water levels at 6-h intervals, and interpolating between the 6-h water levels to get the hourly water levels during the 01-h to 48-h forecast period. In early 1981, a similar procedure was implemented for the Lake Huron storm surge forecasts.
Before June 1987, the Lake Huron storm surge forecasts were transmitted only when the absolute value of a surge height was ň 1.0 ft during a 48-h forecast period. For 48-h forecast periods, when the absolute value of the peak storm surge height was less than 1.0 ft, only the maximum and minimum storm surge heights were transmitted. In June 1987, the program was changed so that all the Lake Huron storm surge forecasts were transmitted regardless of their value.
Prior to withdrawal of the Limited-area Fine-mesh model (LFM) (Newell and Deaven 1981) from the NCEP operational job stream, the Lake Erie storm surge system was changed to use the new Great Lakes wind forecasts (Burroughs and Dallavalle 1995), and the Lake Huron storm surge system was changed to use Regional Analysis and Forecast System (RAFS) output (NWS 1985). These changes were implemented in March 1993.
In November 1993, the titles of the forecast bulletin were changed to denote that the product was NGM BASED. Finally, in March 1994, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) bulletin header for these guidance products was changed from FZUS1 KWBC to FQUS20 KWBC.
Completely separate methods are used to forecast storm surges on the two lakes. An impulse response function method (Schwab 1978), developed by the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory, is used to make storm surge forecasts for Toledo, Ohio, and Buffalo, New York. In contrast, the forecast approach for Lake Huron is statistical and is in the form of single station regression equations, i.e., separate equations were derived for each location.
Hourly storm surge heights were calculated by subtracting the monthly mean of the lake level from hourly lake levels which were measured by the U.S. Lake Survey gages at the four locations. The storm surge height is the meteorologically-generated lake level fluctuation which does not include long-range fluctuations due to precipitation.
On the average, Buffalo and Toledo experience about five storm surges a year where the magnitude of the surge is greater or equal to 3 ft (Pore et al. 1975). On the Saginaw Bay at Essexville, surges of these magnitudes occur about once every 2 years. Lakeport experiences much smaller surges than those on Saginaw Bay or on Lake Erie. A storm surge with a magnitude of > 2 ft occurs about once every 2 years at Lakeport. Storm surges are especially pronounced on Lake Erie because of its shallow depth and geographical orientation.
Wind forecasts for Lake Erie (Burroughs and Dallavalle 1995) and uninflated wind forecasts for Buffalo and Toledo (Miller 1993) are the predictors in the Lake Erie response function method. The storm surge predictors for Essexville and Lakeport are RAFS sea-level pressure forecasts at RAFS Grid-B points (mesh length of 190 km) surrounding Lake Huron.
The dynamical method uses impulse response functions to calculate the storm surge height. The surge at a given time is calculated as a weighted sum of forcing terms during some period before the specified time, i.e.,
Here the surge height at time k is hk ,g ijis the water level response at time j due to an impulse from
forcing station i, is the forcing function at station i and time k-j, m is the number of forcing
stations, and n is the length of the response function. The forcing function is calculated as
where Vijis the wind vector at station i and time j, and c is a dimensionless constant, 4x10 The response functions gij were calculated by means of a linear finite difference numerical
model of Lake Erie described by Schwab (1978). To take into account hourly changes in the
forcing function, the response functions are recorded as hourly values. Richardson and Schwab
(1979) determined that a 36-h response function was sufficient for Lake Erie Storm surges.
Water level responses at Buffalo and Toledo were computed by using forcing at four wind
forecast points: two over lake points and the Buffalo and Toledo airports. Forcing functions for
storm surge forecasts are calculated according to (2) with hourly winds interpolated from the 6-h
forecasts over Lake Erie (Burroughs and Dallavalle 1995) and the 6-h uninflated surface wind
forecasts at Buffalo and Toledo (Miller 1993). This method gives more accurate storm surge
forecasts than the statistical method which was formerly used on Lake Erie (Richardson and
Schwab 1979).
2) Statistical
This method was developed by Richardson and Pore (1969), and its applications on Lake
Huron were implemented in 1977 (NWS 1977). It was modified according to the method
developed in Richardson and Schwab (1979) and implemented in 1981. Hourly water level
deviations from the monthly mean at Essexville and Lakeport (storm surges) were correlated
with 6-h mean sea level pressure analyses interpolated to a set of LFM grid point positions
surrounding Lake Huron. A screening correlation program (Miller 1958) was used to find the
best predictors of storm surges. The regression equations have the form
where hkl is the storm surge height at time k and projection l, Aol is a constant for each l, Ajl
are regression coefficients for each predictor j and projection l, Pjl are sea level pressures at
selected LFM grid points for projections tau and tau-1, k is 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours before the tau
or tau-1 being used or the lag time of a given water level equation, and n is the number of
predictors in each equation. A set of 12 water level forecast equations (six for projection tau and
six for projection tau-1) were derived for Essexville and another set for Lakeport. The first
subset of six equations uses pressures for projection tau. The second subset of six equations uses
pressures that are lagged 6-h at tau-1. They are applied with RAFS output at each 6-h projection
from 6- to 48-h and give hourly water level values from -05- to 48-h. Then the equation pair that
predicts the greatest water level fluctuation (positive or negative) between projections tau and
tau-1 during the 48-h forecast period is used to recompute all the water level values. For
example, suppose hk=3,l=24 - hk=3,l=18 gives the largest water level fluctuation. The
difference is divided by 6 and added successively to hk=3,l=18 to give water level values at the
intervening hours between l = 18 and l = 24. This is done for each tau from 6- to 48-h and
removes any spurious oscillations that may occur when using all six pairs of water level
equations for each tau.
The Great Lakes storm surge forecasts are transmitted as the FQUS20 bulletin on the
Domestic Data Service of the Family of Services and as the NMCMRPESS product on AFOS.
An example is shown in Fig. 2. The bulletin is available at approximately 0500 and 1700 UTC
daily and may be obtained on AFOS by typing: NMCMRPESS
The bulletin contains hourly storm surge forecasts from 01- to 48-h for Buffalo, Toledo,
Essexville, and Lakeport. The bulletin is divided into two parts: LAKE ERIE NGM BASED
STORM SURGE FORECAST and LAKE HURON NGM BASED STORM SURGE
FORECAST. Each part also gives the maximum (max) and minimum (min) of the forecasted
storm surges for each city.
The effects of ice cover on Great Lakes storm surges were not considered in the development
of either of the forecast methods. Hence, there may be times when strong winds over Lake Erie,
Lake Huron, and Saginaw Bay suggest large storm surges, but if the lake surfaces are frozen, the
surges may not occur. Therefore, the forecaster who uses these techniques as guidance may have
to modify the forecasts during times when Lake Erie, Saginaw Bay, or the southwestern portion
of Lake Huron is frozen.
In the developmental sample, the storm surges at Buffalo tended to be higher than normal.
Thus, when the prediction method was tuned by choosing appropriate drag coefficients, the peak
surges were suppressed somewhat. As a consequence, the peak positive surges at Buffalo tend to
be under forecast (Richardson and Schwab 1979). The accuracy of the method is also directly
affected by the accuracy of the wind forecasts. Forecasters may have to modify the storm surge
guidance when the wind forecasts are in doubt.
The regression equations used to make the forecasts are dependent on the behavior of the
NGM output. When the forecaster has reason to believe that the NGM is not performing
properly for a given situation, the automated guidance should be modified accordingly. For
example, if a trough or front has intensified or accelerated more than predicted by the model,
corresponding changes to the guidance should be considered. Specific localized conditions and
mesoscale features detected by real-time, ground-based or satellite observations also should be
taken into account.
Burroughs, L. D. and J. P. Dallavalle, 1995: Great Lakes wind and wave guidance.
Technical Procedures Bulletin No. ???, National Weather Service, NOAA, U.S. Department of
Commerce, 11 pp. [Available from Office of Meteorology, NWS, SSMC2, Silver Spring, MD
Miller, D. T., 1993: NGM-based MOS wind guidance for the contiguous United States.
Technical Procedures Bulletin No. 399, National Weather Service, NOAA, U.S. Department
of Commerce, 19 pp. [Available from Office of Meteorology, NWS, SSMC2, Silver Spring,
Miller, R. G., 1958: The screening procedure. A statistical procedure for screening
predictors in multiple regression, Part II. Studies in Statistical Weather Prediction, Contract No.
AF19 (604) - 1590, Travellers Weather Research Center, Hartford, Conn., edited by B. Shorr,
National Weather Service, 1977: Storm surge forecasts for Essexville and Lakeport,
Michigan. Technical Procedures Bulletin No. 186, NOAA, U.S. Dept. of Commerce, 6 pp.
_____, 1979: Storm surge forecasts for Lake Erie and Lake Huron. Technical Procedures
Bulletin No. 275, NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce, 6 pp. [Obsolete]
_____, 1985: The Regional Analysis and Forecast System (RAFS). Technical Procedures
Bulletin No. 345, NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce, 7 pp. [Available from Office of
Meteorology, NWS, SSMC2, Silver Spring, MD 20910]
Newell, J. E., and D. G. Deaven, 1981: The LFM-II Model--1980. NOAA Technical
Memorandum NWS NMC-66, NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce, 20 pp. [Available from
Environmental Modeling Center, NCEP, NOAA Science Center, Temple Hills, MD 20748]
Pore, N. A., H. P. Perrotti, and W. S. Richardson, 1975: Climatology of Lake Erie storm
surges at Buffalo and Toledo. NOAA Technical Memorandum NWS TDL-54, NOAA, U.S.
Department of Commerce, 27 pp. [Available from Techniques Development Laboratory, NWS,
SSMC2, Silver Spring, MD 20910]
Richardson, W. S. and N. A. Pore, 1969: A Lake Erie storm surge forecasting technique. ESSA
Technical Memorandum WBTM TDL 24, ESSA, U.S. Department of Commerce, 23 pp.
Richardson, W. S. and D. J. Schwab, 1979: Comparison and verification of dynamical and
statistical Lake Erie storm surge forecasts. NOAA Technical Memorandum NWS TDL-69,
NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce, 19 pp. [Available from Techniques Development
Laboratory, NWS, SSMC2, Silver Spring, MD 20910]
Schwab, D. J., 1978: Simulation and forecasting of Lake Erie storm surges. Mon. Wea.
Rev., 106, 1476- 1487.
a. Lake Erie Forecasts
b. Lake Huron Forecasts
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This 1974 Yamaha TY250 is said to be super clean and does look it, but it is unclear whether it is streetable. Whether restored or original, it is a no-brainer at this price, or better yet, a lower offer. Find it here on Craigslist in Royal oak, Michaigan for $1600. Special thanks to TY reader Tom D. for this submission!
I am interested in the bike,what is up with the Handel bars.Is it rust or is it the coler of them.What kind of mileage is on the bike?
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Here's his little brother, a TY80 for sale in Bozeman, MT.
Wonder if this is the same bike featured in a video from 2010, for sale for $650 in Michigan:
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Hey gang. I've been enjoying the heck out of this site (almost as much as B.A.T.). I've also been trying to retain some of the knowledge imparted by the staff and commentariat. I seem to remember something about Royal Enfield having some modern incarnations (India?). Here is one I spotted here in Olympia WA. Anybody got any idea of the age? It looked to be in pretty nice shape.
Thanks again for all the hours of entertainment…Jeff in Olympia
A TY on ThrottleYard! I think you need a mascot, guys!
I know of three people in our neighborhood with non-running examples of this very bike. Apparently they were popular at one time!
I think this is the perfect city motorcycle for someone very brave: Stairways and curbs be darned. Think commuting à la parkour!
Thanks for the info Andrew. Looks like a fine example too.
I owned and rode many trails bikes in the 70s, and I made most of them street "legal" so that I could ride to a riding area to practice, having no truck, car, or trailer. At that time, all you had to do was find a way to mount a plate, and at least in Minnesota, you were legal. A TY would make a rather nice city/town motorcycle, but you wouldn't want to go very far on one, beleive me. They top out at around 45 MPH at high-reasonable RPM. At least their saddles were better than most!
PS- I rode a 71 Cota 247 back and forth to college for many years.
Its a trials bike. That's a pretty narrow focus, so mentioning if it can be streetable is missing the point on this bike. It's geared to crawl and climb at a walking pace to about 40 mph wrapped tight. This appears to be a proper example and worthy pricing for the right vintage buyer.
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The local Arequipians don't think of themselves as Peruvians. Apparently they are better than that and are trying to become a separate entity from Peru. I do admit, it has an exquisite center and elder sector. But like every other city in the Central Andes, as you get further away from the main square, the quality of the infrastructure quickly deteriorates and you find yourself wondering how on earth you ended up there.
The people presiding in the city are devoted catholics, the cites expenses supporting their passion. I watched in disgust as hundreds of overbearing people marched bye praising their Saviour. Who decorated in expensive delicate outfits, walked right past a child wearing nothing but stained, white rags. A dirty plastic cup deriving from the ground now in her hand; she proceeded in drinking from the central water fountain, which is infested with disgusting, diseases ridden pigeon's who defecated as they see fit. Not one of the people in the parade even flinched, let alone helped.
Why do these South American societies continue to ignore the problems right in front their faces and chuck ridiculous amounts of money away into religious gatherings, practices and structures instead. Is it in hope they will receive a peaceful life once they are through the gates of heaven? I hope some of the decisions made wether good or bad, are from their own will, not someone else's..
Sorry its a bit of a crude outburst on my behalf. I'm just tired of seeing the same relationship here in Latin America over and over again.
I visited a very interesting museum, which I highly recommend (the name of it escapes me) Its based around a 15 year old girl, Juanita. Her body was found preserved at below freezing temperatures at the top of nearby volcano Misty. The little girl was sacrificed to the Incan gods, in hope the volcanic eruptions would cease. There method; march her from Cuzco (a 10 hour bus ride) in shoes fabricated from llama skin (skin from one of the 150 llamas which were also sacrificed), get her drunk, then strike her on the head.
Ten years ago there were eruptions from a nearby volcano, releasing Juanita from under the earth into the creator below. She was found three days later with the sides of her face exposed to the sun, slightly decomposed. It was unnerving staring at her well preserved body; a real life time capsule from the past, contained in a block of ice.
Apparently Arequipa has a thriving night life, however I would not get a chance to experience it. Two days before elections, an alcohol ban was put in place. Seems like the Peruvians cant be trusted to" drink and vote" Funny, yet slightly confusing. Not wanting to be stuck in a dry city for two days, I fled from society, towards the serenity of the second deepest canyon in the world.


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Effect of input states of polarization on the measurement error of Mueller matrix in a system having small polarization-dependent loss or gain
Optics Express, Vol. 17, Issue 15, pp. 13017-13030 (2009)
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For the measurement of Mueller matrix in an optical system with birefringence and small polarization-dependent loss or gain (PDL/G), we theoretically derive the statistical relationship between the Mueller matrix measurement error and three input states of polarization (SOP). Based on this theoretical relation and simulation results, it can be concluded that the three input SOPs, that are coplanar with an angle of 120° between any two of them in Stokes space, can be considered as a substitute for the best input SOPs which can statistically lead to the minimum measurement error. This conclusion is valid when the PDL/G of the optical system under test is less than 0.35dB.
OCIS Codes
(060.2300) Fiber optics and optical communications : Fiber measurements
(060.2310) Fiber optics and optical communications : Fiber optics
(260.3090) Physical optics : Infrared, far
(260.5430) Physical optics : Polarization
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Instrumentation, Measurement, and Metrology
Original Manuscript: May 7, 2009
Revised Manuscript: June 21, 2009
Manuscript Accepted: June 23, 2009
Published: July 15, 2009
H. Dong, Y. D. Gong, Varghese Paulose, P. Shum, and Malini Olivo, "Effect of input states of polarization on the measurement error of Mueller matrix in a system having small polarization-dependent loss or gain," Opt. Express 17, 13017-13030 (2009)
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Treatment of condyloma acuminatum with three different interferons administered intralesionally. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. | |
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PMID: 3358568 Owner: NLM Status: MEDLINE |
STUDY OBJECTIVE: To determine the efficacy and toxicity of intralesionally administered interferons in the treatment of condyloma acuminatum. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, and placebo-controlled study. SETTING: Outpatient clinics at university medical centers. PATIENTS: Seventy-nine patients with biopsy-proved condyloma acuminatum that was refractory to conventional therapy were enrolled in the study. INTERVENTIONS: Alpha-2b, alpha-nl-, and beta-interferons were used. One wart on each patients was injected three times per week for 4 weeks with either 1 x 10(6) units of interferon or placebo. MEASUREMENTS AND MAIN RESULTS: Forty-seven percent of warts injected with interferon resolved completely, compared with 22% of placebo-injected warts (P = 0.009). In addition, more recipients of interferon had a complete resolution of uninjected lesions. No differences in rates of response were noted among the different interferon groups. Approximately one third of interferon-injected warts recurred, compared with none of four placebo-injected warts. Intralesionally administered interferon was nontoxic and well tolerated, although transient pain on injection was observed frequently. CONCLUSIONS: Intralesional administration of each of these three interferons appears to be useful in treating condyloma acuminatum. However, the frequent recurrence of disease and the failure of many lesions to resolve indicate that different regimens, such as longer courses of therapy or different routes of administration, should be evaluated to maximize beneficial effects of interferon for treating this common sexually transmitted disease. |
R C Reichman; D Oakes; W Bonnez; C Greisberger; S Tyring; L Miller; R Whitley; H Carveth; M Weidner; G Krueger |
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Type: Clinical Trial; Comparative Study; Journal Article; Randomized Controlled Trial; Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't; Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S. |
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Title: Annals of internal medicine Volume: 108 ISSN: 0003-4819 ISO Abbreviation: Ann. Intern. Med. Publication Date: 1988 May |
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Created Date: 1988-05-16 Completed Date: 1988-05-16 Revised Date: 2007-11-14 |
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Nlm Unique ID: 0372351 Medline TA: Ann Intern Med Country: UNITED STATES |
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Languages: eng Pagination: 675-9 Citation Subset: AIM; IM |
Department of Medicine, University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry, New York. |
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Adult Anus Neoplasms / therapy Condylomata Acuminata / pathology, therapy* Double-Blind Method Female Genital Neoplasms, Female / therapy Genital Neoplasms, Male / therapy Humans Injections Interferon Type I / administration & dosage*, adverse effects, blood Male Neoplasm Recurrence, Local Random Allocation |
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20 Vibe Magazine Covers That Perfectly Define The '90s
The venerable R&B and hip hop publication that helped document the history of pop culture in the '90s is reportedly set to cease publication at the end of this year. Here is a look at some of the memorable covers from the decade.
1. Snoop Dogg (September 1993)
22-year-old Snoop appeared on the cover of the magazine's first issue, his cover story was in advance to his debut album, Doggystyle (which was highly anticipated following his contribution's to Dr. Dre's The Chronic, the previous year).
2. The Notorious B.I.G. and Faith Evans (October 1995)
For those of us old to remember; Biggie and Faith's relationship was a source of major drama in the mid-'90s.
3. Michael Jackson (June/July 1995)
For the cover and accompanying photo shoot, Michael dressed in hip-hop clothing (reportedly for the first and only time in his career).
4. Mary J. Blige (February 1995)
This was the "Queen of Hip-Hop Soul" first cover.
5. Tupac Shakur (April 1995)
The famous interview in which Tupac anticipated his death, he would be killed the following year.
7. Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Tupac and Suge Knight (February 1996)
In less than a year Death Row would fall apart, with Dr. Dre decamping that summer, Tupac's murder in September and Snoop forever distancing himself from Suge.
8. The Notorious B.I.G and Puffy (September 1996)
In the candid interview, Puffy and Biggie opened up about the events surrounding the 1994 near fatal shooting of Tupac, at a Manhattan recording studio, their feud with Suge Knight and Death Row, and the on-going East Coast/West Coast rivalry.
9. Tupac Shakur (November 1996)
10. The Notorious B.I.G. (May 1997)
13. Penny Hardaway, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill and Shaquille O'Neal (August 1996)
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14. "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" (August 1994)
Prince's first interview since changing his name, the previous year, to the unpronounceable symbol.
15. Method Man, LL Cool J, Busta Rhymes, Master P, Lil Kim, Missy Elliot, Foxy Brown and Lauryn Hill (February 1998)
Clearly, Lauryn Hill was the best pick of the year.
16. Lauryn Hill (August 1998)
The cover story to promote the release of her now classic album The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill .
17. Janet Jackson (November 1997)
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20. Tupac Shakur (February 1994)
The classic Tupac cover, summed up best by Complex:
"The world might never truly understand Tupac. What, if any of his persona was an act and what was reality? Was he a calculated genius? Was he crazy? Was he both? We'll never know. But the image of him on this classic VIBE cover captures the dichotomy of his character. Even in an insane asylum he maintains a 'don't-give-a-fuck' look on his face."