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Since some people read this and not the news blog, 3.8 is out.
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Matt Mullenweg
Yeah, like me…
Since we can comment here and not the news blog, woot!
Joel Garcia Jr
Some new WordPress actions and filters?
Christmas came early this year! Amazing job.
Dejan Markovic
Woo Hoo!
Vasu Chawla
Merry Cristmas !! Ho Ho Ho
Miriam Schwab
It's amazing. And yes, this is where I saw the announcement. Short and simple
Bloody wonderful !
Congrats. Beauteous and magnificent. That's great! – as always
Ya-ba-da-ba-dooo !!! (And yes, even though I knew 3.8 was imminent, I got news via the email )
Great! Are you guys actualy still working on WordPress 3.5.3 and 3.6.2. It's realy anoying that we have to scroll down to be able to see milestones like 3.9.
Laszlo Espadas
Congratulation! Thank you very much! : )
Matt Mullenweg
State of 3.8, and thoughts on the next week
tl; dr: Still on track for release next Thursday. We're extending the window for code changes by 3 days, through the 8th. RC2 package on the 9th will be what ships on the 12th.
December 5th, our targeted but controversial freeze date, is drawing to a close. First the bad news: there are two blockers and we could not ship the package we have tonight, despite a lot of great effort. The good news is we are close, there are good priorities on the remaining issues, the new features appear resilient and are live on WP.com which has generated a ton of testing, and we're far enough out from our target (the 12th) that I'm confident we can ship that morning and still have had a 4-day freeze.
As a side-effect of the longer freeze and predictable date, I also think the best WP hosts will push it to their customers same-day and we'll continue or improve our record of having localized versions ready to go.
What could break it? If an unknown unknown blocker pops up on Tuesday or Wednesday, we're going to have to delay the release until the following week. Discovering that issue sooner, so it wouldn't cause a delay, is a function of testing — the more we can test and cover now the better. We want to shake out big issues now, not next week. The more people that can run the RC or trunk at this point, the healthier the release will be.
What's open right now? Our most substantial blocker, no-JS fallback for THX #25964, was raised a few weeks ago and we could have flagged its priority and developed a solution then, rather than the flurry of activity its had over the last two days. Our other blocker, the about.php page, is similar: I should have kicked off that page (#26387) when we nailed down exactly what headline features would be in the release, which was much earlier. Often user-focused non-code deliverables wind up as the last thing we do, but they're so visible they deserve time to bake just like a complex backend change would. Of the the other 15-ish open issues there is nothing intractable, but there's also nothing trivial, and for some issues we need to make a non-obvious decision to move it forward. We made the decision to punt or revert a number of things that weren't fully ready yet, like the new author widget and RSSJS.
The things we missed are not a matter of having enough time, they're a matter of priority. I think properly triaging issues as soon as they come in and being disciplined about working from highest to lowest will allow future release to avoid these problems. Even though that's not hard to understand intellectually, sometimes you have to make the mistake to really grok it. I'm extremely proud of everyone who has been involved so far and in the amount of learning and growth I've observed even in our accelerated cycle.
Give us a break already … we're just getting used to 3.7 and already the next release !!!
Matt Mullenweg
Once you've used the new stuff, it's hard to go back.
We're unapologetic about trying to get improvements in the hands of our community as soon as possible, but I do agree with you that upgrades can be a burden. How I'd like to solve that is not by avoiding upgrades, but by making them so seamless and effortless that people wouldn't mind if we did them every day.
I am not going to dispute the wordpress upgrades that are always great – but I agree that the frequency has become a bit high ( Not to say "Autodesky" ) – I believe no one will Dispute security, or bug related upgrades – but what is the reasoning behind too frequent feature upgrades ?
Jon Brown
"We're unapologetic…"
Matt, you should work for Apple 😉
Yes, like Chrome updates (and many other applications these days). I've absolutely no idea what version of Chrome I'm running, and I don't really care, but I'm safe in the knowledge that it's constantly kept up to date – and I don't even know it's happening.
3.8 is so worth it, if only for the new Admin UI along, it's so beautiful, really pulls everything together nicely
Matt the testing build you posted is not 3.8 RC1 is not working it is set to 3.7.1 ("Download WordPress 3.8 RC1 (zip) or use the WordPress Beta Tester plugin (you'll want "bleeding edge nightlies".) here is the link to that post: https://wordpress.org/news/2013/12/3-8-almost/
Matt Mullenweg
Someone else might have updated it, but I see this link in the post:
Does that work for you? Better than that is grabbing a nightly, here is the latest:
Hats off to Matt and everyone else for setting a hard release date and sticking to it. This is the kind of decision and process that fosters trust in the market and shows everyone WordPress is a mature platform ready for the challenges ahead. The develop new features as plugins method also seems to have worked out quite well and I hope it continues moving forward.
Impressive work from everyone involved.
The only thing that worries me is if/when plugin devs will jump aboard the MP6… err, NEW dashboard aesthetics. They have a couple of things to adjust for the new design, with menu icons being the first thing that pops in mind. I feel like I'm going to halt updating to 3.8 on my sites for while until most plugins adapt to the new look. Not a major thing, but it does worry me and I hope plugin devs do cooperate! Otherwise, I'm gonna nag them like a brat!
Matt Mullenweg
If any plugin devs want help working on a new icon I'm sure the team would be happy to help out.
Brian Cruikshank
Thanks for the update, Matt. The pace of WordPress innovation is tremendously exciting.
Is there any way #25838 can get some attention? All my author posts still 404s in WordPress 3.8-RC1 and it's an update blocker to me.
Robert Chapin
I'm hoping to offer a smooth upgrade experience to the Fix Admin Contrast plugin users. I see the major changes in the WordPress UI design, yet the same eye-strain-inducing invisible input fields throughout. Haven't looked at any of the code yet. Is it very different? Just very little time to offer here.
I would like to see a few actions added regarding the login & users-new pages. One for the password change screen so that we can add a security question. I was trying to do that on a new release for my plugin in and wound up wasting too much time trying to implement a more secure lost password recovery option. A couple other ones for the user-new.php file so that folks that have plugins that add extra fields can extend to that page. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BhjEk5dTa7E)
Thanks, that is all for now.
David Angel
Looking forward to trying it out (right now!)
Just taken a look at the RC – serious amounts of awesome stuff – can't wait!
Good luck….I hope you guys keep up with the multisite installs. Multisite dashboard has been super slow…I see lot`s of people with the same problem on multisites…
Please Matt help us out with this matter.
Matt Mullenweg
Excellent 3.8 brainstorm session today. People talked about a number of interesting ideas and started to form some groups around them. Not everyone is in IRC, so wanted to give an opportunity for people to post a comment with a given area here, and if you're interested in contributing to that area reply to that comment. This allows people to connect asynchronously. As people comment please connect with them directly in IRC, email, whatever, and discuss.
Next week groups will bring more fleshed out proposals for forming a Plugin Project team, including a lead, mockups, user tests, existing plugins…
Justin Sternberg
I'm interested in "Widget overload when there are too many"
Richard Tape
As am I. I love your plugin as a starting point – it's a great step in the right direction. I also have a few ideas which I'd love to talk through on the widgets screen itself.
Looking to help out with widgets.
Daniel Dvorkin (MZAWeb)
Justin Sternberg
Please check out the conversation we at WebDevStudios have started over on core.webdevstudios.com. There's a link near the bottom that is to a series of posts by @Ipstenu detailing this very problem.
Justin Sternberg
Tried posting over there without much luck — just an endless spinner.
Here's a few concepts I've been toying with for widgets:
Yoav Farhi
I love this!
Justin Sternberg
Yah, sorry about that! http://core.webdevstudios.com/2013/08/08/it-turns-out-were-having-issues-with-comments/
Anyway, I like your ideas, especially the one utilizing the media modal. We came to some of the same conclusions/ideas.
I'm not sure the other mockup is scaleable but that's something we can discuss as we move forward. If you would, take some time read through our site, and the linked sites.
Mel Choyce
I read through your post outlining your thought process getting to these mockups (which I think everyone here should read) and think this is such a good starting point.
Greg Rickaby
So in your mockup the sidebars live in a modal as well as widgets? Are you selected widgets from other sidebars?
Helen Hou-Sandi
And a third "Install Widgets" panel…?
Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
*ponder* What about moving widgets from one 'area' to another? Sometimes I like to try out where I want things.
Widgets would remain drag-and-droppable, and you'd be able to move widgets between sidebars the same as you do today. The hamburger-like three lines are supposed to be a "handle," and should help indicate that they're draggable.
nice work, could be cool also to have a info of which files or templates are using each sidebar. in a case of a newspaper theme who have a bunch of sidebars the editor get lost to remember were it shows each one, even if the description say it 😛
Would you happen to have an example (screenshot) of a site with "a bunch of sidebars?" I'd love some to play with the mockups using lots of different scenarios.
It´s a client theme so I can´t but let me work on it I have Editorial Clients and they sure use like one sidebar almost for each template
Still not entirely sure where to share these, but I've been posting some more thoughts on my site: http://www.shaunandrews.com/wordpress-widgets-initial-thoughts/widgets-tabbed-ui-concept/
Andy Mercer
I really love this idea, because the layout is so logical compared to the current. I think it can be even better though. One issue I've had clients complain about is sidebar locations when different templates have different sidebars. A homepage template may have 3-9 sidebars, while a blog template has 1. Add a few for the footer, and a single theme gets really complicated to a non-techy user.
Is it possible that we can create some way to divide the Sidebars page into template-specific sidebars? Even better, could we notify the user if they are looking at sidebars that appear on templates that aren't currently being used in any pages? And can we allow the Theme itself to somehow dictate the layout of the sidebar page. I'll work on some mockups of the first idea today.
Andy Mercer
I used your existing mockup, Shawn, and added an idea for sorting by template. I'm not sure if it's getting too busy though.
This is interesting. It took me a few minutes to realize that the tabs were for the different templates. I'm not sure most people would get that right away, but it sparks some other ideas in my head. Thanks for sharing!
Love this.
There was a part two floating around
Justin Sternberg
We linked to part one assuming it would lead others to part 2. Really like the discussion going on there and kickstarted our own.
Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
One doesn't actually link to Two. God knows what I was thinking.
Nick Halsey
Perhaps taking a different UI direction could resolve a lot of issues with widgets: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/08/08/excellent-3-8-brainstorm-session-today-people-talked-about/#comment-9694.
At the end of the day, something more visual and closer to the end result on the front-end will probably be the most usable, so mimicking the customizer experience might be the best plan. Then on the too many widgets side something like an add button would probably still work.
Greg Rickaby
WDS has started a P2 for this (although it might get moved over to .org). We've got some mockups, which require some polish…but it's enough to get a discussion going: http://core.webdevstudios.com/
Matt Mullenweg
I think because it's basically WDS branded it is a bit off-putting as a place to discuss or invite contributors. But I appreciate the enthusiasm.
Richard Tape
For reference there's a discussion started over on github in lieu of something more formal on .org: https://github.com/WebDevStudios/WordPress-Widgets-Refresh/issues?state=open
Konstantin Obenland
Featured Content group unite!
Amy Hendrix (sabreuse)
I'm in!
Mel Choyce
What would this entail?
Konstantin Obenland
Managing the information of which posts are featured in what order at which location.
Presentation of this information would be up to the theme.Still needs lots of hashing out how it might look like.
Daniel Dvorkin (MZAWeb)
+1. Specially the order will be a tricky one.
I'd like to be involved in featured content too.
Hmm, featured content, I love that idea, I always have to build something myself for that. I'd like to help if I can.
Robert Dall
Count me in on the UI aspect!
Jesper Johansen (Jayjdk)
I'd like to be involved on this.
Michael Fields
Yes please!
Jose Castaneda
I'd be down
Sounds great, I'm willing to help with this one.
Jeremy Herve
I'd be happy to help if I can!
Mel Choyce
I'd like to work on improving the content editing experience, including formatting and content blocks.
Scott Taylor
I can help code up proofs of concept – I have some structural ideas for the blocks could work once I have an idea what is intended visually UXually.
I'm interested in working on this as well.
sara cannon
I'm in!
Very much interested in content blocks / per-post art direction. Count me in I do feel there is some meshing between this and Sara Cannon's customizer idea though, which I guess is more site wide?
Mel Choyce
Some ideas I've been exploring: http://melchoyce.com/wpadmin-ui/content-editing.html
Can we go ahead and move this topic to the UI blog, ore somewhere else appropriate? Because i want to comment on your ideas, but don't feel this is the right place.
Mel Choyce
sara cannon
I'm interested in helping with this as well. Content blocks are a great idea.
Nick Halsey
I'd love to help with this too. Design, coding, ideas, whatever.
Mel Choyce
Content blocks discussion started in make/ui: https://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/08/08/proposal-improving-the-content-editing-experience/
Count me in for some serious beta testing on the content block feature if my interpretation of it as re-usable content and layout elements within a post / page / content type is correct. I feel like "drag and drop" or page builder features are becoming so common between the various theme frameworks that, much like menus was pre-3.0, the time is right to bake into core the pieces to standardize that part of the CMS puzzle.
http://wplift.com/best-wordpress-page-builders has a decent list of plugins which have a lot of overlap in approach.
Tracy Levesque
I am really excited about content blocks and would love to help!
I'd like to work on the JSON API with @rmccue.
Daniel Dvorkin (MZAWeb)
Pippin Williamson
I as well.
Coen Jacobs
I don't have much time these two cycles, but this is definitely a project that I'm keen to help out in.
For reference, @rmccue's efforts are happening here: https://wordpress.org/plugins/json-rest-api/
His v0.4 update is here: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/08/08/json-rest-api-version-04/
The GitHub repo for this development is here: https://github.com/rmccue/WP-API
Pinging @justinshreve on this too
Justin Shreve
Thanks for the ping. I would very much like to be a part of this.
Bryan Petty
We could actually already use your input / advice / comments on the current GSoC API tickets: https://gsoc.trac.wordpress.org/query?component=JSON+REST+API
Justin Shreve
Sure – I can make sure to take a look at some of these tomorrow. Any specific tickets I should look at first? Feel free to email me at justin at automattic dot com so we don't clutter the P2 comments :).
Ryan McCue
I'd love to work on it with you.
Note that while I'm still in GSOC, I can't accept patches, but GSOC finishes at roughly 3.7's release, so should be good to go for 3.8. As Bryan mentioned above, I'd love to have feedback on any of the existing parts!
Mel Choyce
Another idea: improving the screen options panel.
Chris Reynolds
That may or may not be something that could be rolled into the in-dash help, since they currently occupy more or less the same space
Mel Choyce
I think that would depend on how you guys are envisioning help working. They're currently paired together, but serve two different functions. We should definitely work together to figure out if they should remain together, and then split off of we find that it makes sense to separate them.
Chris Reynolds
Right, it's something that would need to be dealt with one way or another at least.
I'd like to be involved with this. Especially if part of it was for admins to be able to establish "global defaults".
sara cannon
oooo global defaults
Travis Northcutt
+1 for global defaults for screen options
Nashwan Doaqan
I like this idea
Mel Choyce
Something I've been playing with: http://melchoyce.com/wpadmin-ui/screen-options.html
Chris Reynolds
Bryan Petty
This really doesn't seem like something that even needs to be in a feature plugin, a core patch on Trac would do just fine here.
Mel Choyce
Travis Northcutt
I like the better organization/layout on the options, but why go from words to icons? I know that's extremely popular, but IMO it can be user-hostile, especially for new users. There's almost no indication of what clicking on the icon will do. Not trying to be snarky, just think it's worth talking about.
Mel Choyce
It's something we'd test before making any sort of decision. If it performs poorly, labels would be easy to add in.
Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
I suddenly love 'Draft an Idea' – Oh man, that would fill the niche QuickPress never did for me.
Having the icons and the words would help subtly teach new users what each icon is used for, without hammering it over their heads. @travisnorthcutt I'm thinking about what you said, and notice how it's both? That's going to help people if they ever switch to the compressed sidebar.
Nick Halsey
I'd like to help with this too. Those mockups are a great starting point!
Marko Heijnen
I like to work on JSON API, widget overload and or Image/Media editing.
sara cannon
maybe we should separate content blocks from utilizing the customizer? or do you see these completely related?
Mel Choyce
I see them as totally different, since ideally they'd be within the page and post editor.
sara cannon
urg that was supposed to be threaded onto @wonderboymusic's post
Scott Taylor
they are different, and touch different pieces of code – the blocks + visual improvements could be a side meta box driven by a plugin, the customizer changes may require rewiring some of the existing JS in core
sara cannon
ok then i'll propose the customizer/front end one separate from the content block one then
Nick Halsey
So basically we could merge widgets into the customizer as site-wide content blocks? That would be awesome.
In terms of implementation, it might work better to just replace the widgets page with a customizer-like version that has drag-and-drop for widget areas. Although it would be cool if it was all within the same page.
Mel Choyce
I thought about this a little during the 3.5 cycle: http://cl.ly/image/0A0M0x0E2R25
Justin Sternberg
I like this idea a lot, but think it would be even cooler if had widget-areas to choose/drag vs individual widgets. A widget-area would just be a package of configured widgets/content-blocks. see discussion: http://core.webdevstudios.com/
cc: Nick Halsey-
Nick Halsey
That would be cool. But it will be key to make it as conceptually simple as possible; if we aren't careful we could end up adding another layer of confusion for the average user (widgets of widgets). And if it gets more confusing I see this staying as a plugin rather than merging into core. Not necessarily a bad thing but not the primary goal. I think it'll be easier to understand once it's been implemented, though, especially if we can do the customizer part too.
Chris Reynolds
Interested in helping figure out Help stuffs.
Also interested in at least following along with and possibly pitching in here (not sure how much time I'll have for it).
Also interested in help. I believe those interested are meeting at 15.30UTC on Monday August 12th, in #wordpress-dev.
Chris Reynolds
Google calandar'd. Thank you
Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
Will attempt to get there.
I'm in here as well (as soon as I figure out what 15:30 UTC is in my world lol :p
Also interested in help (depending on availability from JSON API above)
got it on my calendar…thanks for the link
in my diary! I read about about the screen options improvements above. My inclination at the minute is that they ought to be decoupled since they actually serve different purposes.
Rather than simply making improvements to the current tabs it'd be useful to do some research into the problem that admin help is trying to solve. What problems are users having that require inline help? Are they having problems at all? Thinking completely outside what we currently have is a great starting point (even if, in the end, we decide we love the help tabs after all)
Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)
Rather than simply making improvements to the current tabs it'd be useful to do some research into the problem that admin help is trying to solve
A thousand times this!
Chris Reynolds
For those that weren't in the IRC chat today, we're going to use the https://make.wordpress.org/docs/ P2 (at least for now) for notes and discussion re: 3.8 Dashboard Help project.
Charleston Software Associates
I'd like to look at what it takes to implement infinite scroll of paginated lists on wp-admin. Or some better way to navigate through the pages/posts list other than search or "page number guess".
See this as an example: https://github.com/helgatheviking/Infinite-Scroll-for-Admin
Charleston Software Associates
Starting a thread listing the repo details, etc. over here: http://www.charlestonsw.com/wordpress-3-8-infinite-scroll/
Ricard Torres
The Real-Time preview in the edit screen would be so awesome
Justin Sternberg
I'd also like to work on "Global turn off comments."
Rafael Poveda - RaveN
I think this is a need too.
Tracy Rotton
Starting point: https://wordpress.org/plugins/disable-comments/
Rafael Poveda - RaveN
excellent idea!
Helen Hou-Sandi
Relevant ticket: #17478
Justin Sternberg
Possible idea for turning of core features:
Justin Sternberg
That would be most excellent.
Nick Halsey
I agree; probably not hard to make the case that this is a need if 69% use WP as a CMS only (SOTW). I'd guess only a fraction of those have a need for comments. So for everyone else it causes issues ranging from UI clutter to dealing with spam comments on posts where comments have always been closed. Shouldn't need Akismet if you aren't even using comments.
Bryan Petty
This really doesn't seem look like something that even needs to be in a feature plugin, a core patch on Trac would do just fine here.
Helen Hou-Sandi
Chandra M
+1.. I have been hating how the post closes the comments but the attachments are open to comments. Spammers spamming all the time. If you have 100s of photos in various galleries, this is one impossible job at the moment (in the core).
Frank Bültge
Plugin if interests, have all solutions. Only the fallback is not inside the plugin.
Peter Chester
Upgrades: Differentiate between major and minor upgrades for plugins, themes and maybe even core as a starting point for an eventual auto upgrade system. If the plugin is a major upgrade, then it should have something in the readme to indicate this and messaging for the upgrade can be handled differently in the WP admin
Helen Hou-Sandi
This doesn't sound like feature-plugin territory. Also, auto minor updates are already scheduled for 3.7; this is 3.8 planning.
Peter Chester
It could be a rather simple change that is mostly all about how messaging is changed. Technologically it would be trivial (i think).
I always wondered why there wasn't a drag and drop interface for sorting the pages in the admin, other than quick editing and specifying an order number or using a plugin. Seems like too basic of a function to have to install a plugin for, ie My Page Order.
Justin Sternberg
re: page-ordering, drag & drop may not be the best solution in the long run: https://irclogs.wordpress.org/chanlog.php?channel=wordpress-dev&day=2013-08-08&sort=asc#m659899
Andrew Norcross
in my experience, once you get to a certain number of pages (usually around 30) the drag & drop becomes a beast that is nearly impossible to use, as it's difficult to even see the entire list of pages.
sara cannon
Explore front-end posting / art direction – possibly utilizing the existing customizer
Mel Choyce
yes, +1!
sara cannon
any adventurous devs curious? 😉
Sara, I'm learning dev…waist deep at the moment.
I'd like to help with this as well!
not a dev but having this same idea +1
Here is another thread that ubernaut began:
Custom Post Type Archives in the Nav Menu builder – I've been using static links there for too long!
Justin Sternberg
Yah, there really needs to be an "Archives" accordion menu to handle post types and taxonomies and many other archives (authors, date-based, etc)
+1 on the author / date-based / taxonomy archive dropdowns. Totally forgot about that, but it's really lacking in the menu interface. Makes for messy themes when someone really needs that functionality.
Aaron D. Campbell
See #16075 for that. The solution may need a bit of a rethink, but it's a good starting place. There's a plugin here: https://github.com/OpenRange/Custom-Post-Type-Archives-in-Nav-Menus
(and on .org here: https://wordpress.org/plugins/cpt-archives-in-nav-menus/ )
Weston Ruter
To add a thread here re: "Collaborative post editing – WebRTC?"
For realtime collaborative editing of posts (à la Google Docs), I've been thinking about how we might leverage WebRTC for this now that it is gaining adoption. Being peer-to-peer, this could be an ideal fit for WordPress which often lacks robust server architectures (e.g. shared hosts) to support many concurrent connections via long polling or WebSockets. WebRTC could also be used to make the Heartbeat API more realtime in terms of what other logged-in users are doing right now (as Heartbeat only updates after 15 seconds by default, and would kill many servers if any more frequent).
Weston Ruter
For maximum compatibility, WordPress.com could provide a STUN/TURN server (e.g. via Jetpack) to help users who are stuck behind restricted NATs, if they don't have an existing server that they can leverage. I remember hearing that 20% of users need such extra help to establish these peer-to-peer connections.
I would love a way to group images into some kind of folder-like structure in the Media Library, a la NextGen Gallery. Such a thing would help asset administration immensely.
Marko Heijnen
I'm currently working on something outside core.
Is it in plugin form? I'd like to contribute if possible!
Nashwan Doaqan
Great!, Is the project public in Github so we can help?
Manuel Schmalstieg
Marko, I'm also very interested in testing/helping on that.
Nashwan Doaqan
Mel Choyce
This might be a longshot because it literally just got a complete redesign, but anyone interested in Revisions?
I, for one, would love to see custom fields make it into Revisions.
And other post metadata as well, for that matter.
Alexander Hoereth
Yes, please! +1
Something I would have really liked for my last plugin, more filters in the Walker_Nav_Menu class. For example, if I wanted a nav menu that displayed the links without the UL and LI tags, I can remove the UL easily, but the LI's are hardcoded and much more difficult to remove.
And maybe we don't need to solve that with filters. After all, the UL can be removed by changing the wp_nav_menu argument 'items_wrap', so maybe it would be possible to just have an 'item_wrap'? But I could see that being more difficult to code than just adding filters.
Either way, I feel like that would help open the door for more creativity and control over WordPress menus.
Bryan Petty
This is brainstorming for potential features that we've never been able to fit into any release schedule based on time constraints, but what you're describing doesn't sound like more than one or two smaller patches to core, which you would have better luck with simply submitting to Trac directly.
Many great ideas.
I think the widget management is one of the parts of WordPress that I really think there's a lot of room for improvement. Widget areas should not be defined by the theme but by the user and then connected to the pages.
Another thing that I really would like support for in the core is multiple languages. Solutions like WPML isn't very good and needs add expensive joins on more or less EVERY query. Some kind of support in the standard DB-structure is required for this to work well. Almost all other CMS:es has this. -
Valerio Souza
Use shortcuts for text editors to use editors. Example, ctrl + s to save.
Helen Hou-Sandi
I'm pretty sure this currently works in the editor.
Aaron D. Campbell
I think it's pretty finicky based on OS/Browser though
Unreasonably overdue and should be one of the highest priority topics: https://wordpress.org/ideas/topic/improved-visual-editor
Aaron D. Campbell
Not sure there's really a better functioning solution at this point and there's a lot to be said for the stability that TinyMCE has built up over the year. However, there are several ideas above that are aimed to drastically change this area. One has to do with implementing the customizer to augment functionality or possibly to create real-time previews of your content. Another is to build a content block based system, which may integrate into the existing TinyMCE or may need something altogether different.
I know that adding multilingual support into core is quite a distant thing yet, but can anyone give me an update of whether this has been discussed lately? I'm personally working on another plugin that would do that and I'm probably not doing it in the best way possible, but so far I'm able to achieve most of the stuff using what WordPress already has(custom post types and custom taxonomies) – so I'm thinking it might not be impossible to do.
Alex Mills (Viper007Bond)
I'm going to try to get my WP_Query date parameter improvements finished so that hopefully it can make it into 3.8: #18694
Scott Taylor
3.7, bruh – make it happen
Alex Mills (Viper007Bond)
Ha, we'll see. It would be hard to get it in in plugin form, and it should get in early in the release cycle…
Scott Taylor
you don't need to – 3.7 doesn't have to be plugins
Aaron D. Campbell
Yep, let's see if we can get that one into 3.7. Would be nice to finally get that closed.
Alex Mills (Viper007Bond)
Oh, right. Alright, then I'll try to get it wrapped up ASAP. I have a fresh patch done and am just finishing more unit tests.
Helen Hou-Sandi
Echoing @wonderboymusic – 3.7, yo. Plugins are for features, not API stuff.
Pete Mall
Anyone interested in Network Admin or general Multisite improvements?
Yes on both. I put together a list of stuff I have been compiling for some time now, mostly about improving the whole signup and management or users and sites.
Here is a post with my thoughts: http://martythornley.com/2013/08/multisite-improvement-ideas/
There is likely more to it and lots of tickets already in place explaining some of the same issues and ideas, which I listed out at the end of the post.
Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture)
Yep, this guy!
Richard Archambault
My coding level isn't anywhere near the level required to produce patches, but I love multisite and would be interested in providing a "user-centric" view on things related to it.
Pete Mall
What would you like to see improved?
Frank Bültge
I would see a Settings API.
But maybe a interest starting point: https://github.com/bueltge/WordPress-Multisite-Enhancements
All Sounds Great ! I would like to see installation instructions for everything. I would like it so much that i will start the process soon. I will start creating installation instructions via step by step in pdf , any helpers ? well i will start with some plug-ins, widgets, …… that i use on some of my sites. The step by step pdf will be explained into simple to experience developers to use as a guideline that helps plug-in installation with API configurations.
Helen Hou-Sandi
Possible idea for somebody who might be interested: New User Walkthrough.
Nick Halsey
I see a lot of potential there
Wasn't there once a GsoC project for this?
I'd definitely be interested in something like this in the future. I'm approaching the limit of what I can take on until December – if no one has got moving on it by then I'll try to kick-start it.
I want to see WordPress become a bit more friendly to Membership type sites. Without a hodge podge of plugins, WordPress insists on showing registered users the Dashboard and Admin bar. This is especially annoying when they access the Dashboard and see menu items for various plugins that have not been attentive with permissions.
Some sort of way to put certain users/user levels into a purely front-end mode would be nice.
+1 for this !
I'm currently working on this type of site, and I succeeded in displaying the WordPress registration form on the frontend and style it, but with some hacks.
I have also managed to hide the admin bars for a specific category of users and deny them dashboard access (with redirection the a frontend page). Registered users can even use the Media Library to manage their own media files.How do you imagine putting this in core ?
Erlend Sogge Heggen
This should be a coordinated effort together with BuddyPress and bbPress, since those two plugins are already creating their own profile pages for users. Ideally, they'd both have a bare-bones starting point in vanilla WordPress that they'd put their changes on top of. @johnjamesjacoby @djpaul @boonebgorges
Lance Willett
Project idea: Re-imagine the WP.org theme directory for a better user experience.
More useful and beautiful interface: bigger screenshots and less text-heavy on each page, add mobile screenshots, make the layout responsive. Better preview and theme discovery. Maybe extend the taxonomy and update the filter interface to be Ajax-driven.
Depending on the exact scope, could also bring the changes into
interface—it needs a revamp also. (Remember multiple screenshots: #19816?)-
Bryan Petty
I'm interested in this along with the same for the plugin directory, and it would all coincide nicely with Mert's GSoC project, however, I'm still waiting on actual working code to be added to meta.svn that I can build off of.
There is one experiment I added to my todo list to try once GSoC has finished for profiles, having seen Mert's mostly final layout.
Of course, I should reiterate that I'm not much of a designer, but I can certainly still help with responsive, some JS, and browser testing.
Sam Sidler
Note that most of this project would be related to changes only on wordpress.org and would be separate from the features-as-plugins projects that land in core.
But we could definitely have a companion project that was focused on improvements to the core theme browser specifically.
Matt Mullenweg
Actually have thinking for them to be in parallel — a great browsing experience on one should be the same as a great browsing experience on the other. People use the install-from-WP.org feature a ton for plugins and themes and it's fairly mediocre for both.
Amy Hendrix (sabreuse)
Love this idea — we're past due for a refresh of both the overall directory and the individual theme listings.
Mel Choyce
Mel Choyce
Would also love a better searching/filtering UI, like .com has: http://cl.ly/image/1q1a2i3C0c42
Matías Ventura
This is a very neat project. I concur with Matt that this is also an opportunity to see both the .org directory and the actual themes.php experience as one unified — and hopefully beautiful — experience. Fast, lean, mobile ready, retina, etc. Looking forward to it.
I would like to work on the native audio/video support there were introduced in 3.6. For quite some time I use WordPress to power media focused websites with MediaElementJS and JWPlayer (see http://www.thepuppinisisters.com, or http://amazonie.arte.tv/). I have ideas to add different format support for the same media element, CDN hosting support, poster image taken from the library, playlist support, …
I have published a plugin that add those functionalities to previous WordPress versions (https://wordpress.org/support/plugin/1player) but the code is not up-to-date. Do you think this could have its place into the core ?-
Mel Choyce
I love the idea of native playlists, they would have been awesome for me when I was a radio dj. I used to take screenshots of my playlists and post them every week on my radio show's blog. I can see a lot of use playlists for bands or even just personal blogs.
The idea for audio or video playlist is to use the already available image gallery interface and make it generate a tag like instead of .
Nashwan Doaqan
WordPress 3.7 and 3.8 coool! .. I love to help with anything about the API and testing
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Nikos M.
@WP Devs and collaborators
Just one suggestion:
*make WP FAST (and then a little faster)*
as a consequence of this suggestion (or as a prerequisite) :
make WP LESS BLOATED,
ie without loading a ton of files and classes
(without sacrificing proper software engineering principles also)features abound, but they are not going to be used when the site will be very slow, for any medium-traffic, non-trivial site/application
this might mean:
- an alternative DB management (maybe support more DB vendors, not necessarily)
- heavy re-use of things (variables, dynamic templates, query results)
- powerful and flexible caching scheme (better built-in than a plugin) it is going to be faster
- an alternative plugin system (minimize useless calls, integrate more, make it faster)
keep up the good work
Nikos M.
- consider saving most configuration settings in a local php file than the DB (it is going to be faster) (using an API of course)
- consider using a light-weight template engine which allows for cached dynamic templates
(thus most template parsing is going to be done only once, faster)
- consider loading DB values only when needed, on-demand (lazy loading)
- consider using a full MVC framework for hadling both admin section AND front-end (this is not necessarily faster, but much simpler than loading a ton of fles ie post.php, edit.php etc.., maybe faster, surely faster for development purposes)
- consider various micro-optimizations in core functions/methods which allow for same results with less memory/cpu resources (plenty of those, the problem is that they are specific to each case) (examples, php has functions which perform similar operations some are faster than others, objects/small classes over arrays, etc..)
Marko Heijnen
Improving the media experience since users still think it is confusing. Different style of dialog doesn't help.
- Fix edit image data dialog. So when you want to change the information of an image in your content it still uses a TinyMCE dialog what looks weird if you inserted the image with the new dialog.
- Moving the image editor to a dialog so we don't need to link to the edit media page. The current UX is weird and to me should never made it in 3.5. Opening a new tab to edit an image and then go back and press the refresh link isn't really user friendly. I would love to see an edit dialog that benefit the styling of the new dialog. I already played with it a bit and currently the dialog looks like: http://i.marko.io/2a/6vtf2qb3r44s4.png. Most likely the filters don't make sense to have in core but it would be awesome to have this idea in mind for so plugins can enable it.
-A WP_Image class that handles as an better API for dealing with media attachments. Like currently you can't create an editor since you don't know the url. This class also be a wrapper for that. Also it adds the ability to add new image sizes to an image in a few lines of code. A first step to reduce the amount of redundant. See https://github.com/markoheijnen/WP_Image.
If we can add this things this it would be an awesome 12 months for media inside WordPress.
Dominik Schilling (ocean90)
The ticket to point 1 and 2 would be #21811.
Frank Bültge
+1 for image class.
Mike Schroder
This would be awesome. I'd be excited to help.
I have created a few UI mockups:
- Using drag&drop templates as a base for a new page/post. Saving a layout as a template for easy page creation.
- Semi transparent grid to where one drops Elements (header, content, sidebar, footer and widgets. Sort widgets into user defined groups.)
- Draggable and color labeled sorting.
and more..
http://easywebdesigntutorials.com/wordpress/wordpress-mockups/ -
Eddie Moya
Widgets General Overhaul. Maybe not all of this for 3.8, and maybe most of it not in core at all ever. Just putting out here to see what bits of this might be interesting to try to work on for core.
Widgets as a Post Type, Sidebars as a Taxonomy. I have a plugin that is doing this currently, I have been squeezed for time to dedicate to clean it up so I can make it public. However if there were any serious interest for this idea in core (3.8 or not), I would put the pedal to the metal.
The plugin circumvents WP_Widget_Factory all together, and avoids the several global multidimensional arrays used by core. Instead I create a custom post type called 'widgets' and a taxonomy called 'sidebars'. This leads to a bunch of benefits:
- Sidebars can be created on the admin side by non-developers
- Implementations of sidebars in the theme function more like 'locations' in menus – because you create the sidebars that populate it in the interface, not in the code.
- Leverages taxonomy metaboxes to allow instant creation of sidebars.
- Widget data is stored as Post Meta, instead of single huge serialized array storing all the data for *all* the widgets in a single record.
- Widgets/sidebars can be exported/imported via WXR.
- Expansion of the basic idea of what a widget is – widgets can have their own singles pages if desired.
- My plugin is compatible with all widgets that extend WP_Widget, I have not tried to figure out how to expand compatibility to the older widget – I'm sure something could be figured out (maybe)
Widget UI – Theres been talk about the Widget UI, I will happily put forward my cleaned up version of the Widgets UI – which is mostly a simple clean view, separated from most of the logic – and maintains all the rest of the normal UI behavior. I would love it if the code for our admin templates was a little more sane – the current widgets ui templates in core are sort of a rats nest. The simple act of already having a clean version of the template might make it easier to make changes to the UI now, and in the future.
The reason I did the work of abstracting out the Widgets UI on my own was for the sake of sticking the said interface into a post metabox, allowing widgets to be controlled on a post-by-post basis the exact same way that are on the main interface.
Something I have mentioned to a lot of people – at WordCamps and online.
I plan to spend some time on 3.7. After that, I'd like to look at the possibility of a dashboard & the welcome screen refresh.
Just wanted to mention 2 plugins that had initially sparked a bit of interest but haven't been mentioned here: Post Format UI and Favicons (Blog Identity). Both had attempts in core, but were punted to Candidate Plugins. 3.8 seems like a good place to move on those (as having any sort of blessing might get folks involved).
P.S Can we call plugins like these, MP6, and GSOC projects "Candidate Plugins" so we have a term to refer to them by? They're not "Canonical" or "Core" like Importer or Links, and they're not stable general-use, so Candidate seems to fit as they are candidates for Core adoption. (Then maybe we can haz tag in Extend so testers can find them.)
Matt Mullenweg
An upcoming free Stanford HCI (human computer interaction) course coming up:
(Hat tip: @DanielBachhuber.)
Ben Tremblay
Human-Computer Interaction | Coursera – "Helping you build human-centered design skills, so that you have the principles and methods to create excellent interfaces with any technology." see syllabus and preview
Looks great! Thanks for the heads up
Matt Mullenweg
You might notice that this P2 has gotten a big head. All of the Make P2s have actually, and like the rug in the Big Lebowski we think it really ties the room together.
The Get Involved tab has been added, docs have been moved under support, home has been hidden. This isn't ideal — we'd eventually like to move to more of a verb-oriented navigation system — but it is better than everything under Make being its own island and not really linked to or from the main WP.org side, or to each other. Hopefully it will also let more folks know about how to get involved (I added a link to the Make Core Handbook to the top sidebar widget.)
I'll be talking more about some of the improvements to WP.org tomorrow at 11am PST and you can still get streaming tickets if you'd like to tune in: http://2012.sf.wordcamp.org/tickets/
Alex Mills (Viper007Bond)
This is awesome. 😀
George Mamadashvili
Great. Looking forward to "State of The Word".
Andrea Rennick
Noticed it earlier, went "Whoa." Cool beans.
It does tie the room together…
Cool. Only the parent page 'Get Involved' is missing the integrated markup.
Yeah, working on that later today. It's not a P2 theme there, so need to make a new child theme for it.
Brandon Dove
Like Donnie, "I was bowling." I miss these kind of things sometimes because I digest with RSS, so thanks for pointing it out. This is awesome.
Chuck Reynolds
nice man
Scott Kingsley Clark
This is absolutely one of the best ways to bring people into the project to contribute! Awesome job team!
Dominik Schilling (ocean90)
https://profiles.wordpress.org/ocean90 still has the old nav bar.
Not anymore.
Jacob Guite-St-Pierre
http://make.wordpress.org is using the wrong theme
Andrew Nacin
We'll get there!
Dominik Schilling (ocean90)
Jorge Bernal
Where is the "Like" button here? 😉
Matt Mullenweg
Looking for a lead
The Core Contributor Handbook is live here, and has a lot of great content from a number of contributors already:
What we're looking for is someone to "own" the CCH and be responsible for:
- Expanding and editing it, getting feedback from devs.
- Walking people through it to get ideas on how to improve it (and get people involved with WP!).
- Soliciting other contributors (don't want a one-person show) and keeping an eye on all the changes.
- Figure out a cool way to package and print the handbook.
Let me know if you're interested in taking on this role, a comment on this post is fine.
This also reminds me — it would be great to be able to see a feed of changes on a site, like edits to a page. Anyone have a favorite plugin there?
Good stuff, Matt. I would like to contribute here. Whoever ends up owning it, you have your first contributor/volunteer.
Ben Tremblay
Detail: that URL was not clickable in EMail. ThunderBird is pretty well behaved with that sorta thing.
Odd it wasn't a live link.
Links in header and footer were just fine. -
Can you clarify what level of involvement with the community the lead for this should have had to date? For example, I've gotten a few patches in here and there but don't know that I'm sufficiently familiar with all the things to be a useful lead on something like this. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that others who're interested in pitching in have similar feelings. Are you hoping to land somebody who already has a solid insider view of things or are you after a fresh perspective?
Matt Mullenweg
I don't think being super-involved in core is necessary, in fact it's probably better to have a beginners mind with regard to much of this. However you'll want to run things by folks with more experience just to make sure you're leading people on the right track.
Emil Uzelac
Good stuff indeed
Tom Auger
Boy oh boy, this is such an important piece of the WordPress puzzle! My own journey (still in its infancy) in becoming a useful contributor has been fraught with good intentions and big learning curves. If I had more experience I'd definitely volunteer to shepherd this thing into a true roadmap for the would-be contributor.
Mike Bijon
Hi Matt, I'd like to be considered for this position too. I'm a 1-time core contributor and have worked with the PDX WP Meetup and Codex lately. More details, http://www.mbijon.com/about-mike-bijon/. Now that I'm not a full-time developer at work, and take on a lot more planning & PMing tasks, I think I could be a lot more productive with this than I've been with trying to make rare, quiet coding windows.
Also, for tracking changes to the CCH:
Audit Trail has most of what you need, https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/audit-trail/, but would have to be turned into a feed. Adding some open diff tools could help make it more readable, http://www.raymondhill.net/blog/?p=441, or https://github.com/austincheney/Pretty-Diff. Although what would be interesting is to build a way to deploy all content via a git or Github repo, http://drupal.org/project/content_staging (which would also solve a lot of commercial users' Dev > Production deploy problems). -
Hey Matt, the Core Contributor Handbook is already an excellent resource, and I'd love to see it grow even further.
I would also like more information about what your expectations are for this role. Specifically, how much experience with core contribution do you feel is necessary? How much time per week do you expect this role will require?
Matt Mullenweg
Answered the experience question above. As for time, I would plan for 10 hours a week as a good baseline, as with any serious volunteer commitment across WordPress.
Hi Matt – I'd love to help out with this. I was looking at it before and wondering if you needed someone to help out.
I'm a documentation specialist (http://wordsforwp.com) and I spend a lot of time communicating with devs and translating what they say into beginner speak. I build a lot of documentation projects from the ground up, and work with a lot of developers on similar projects to this, so it's right up my street. I'd be more than happy to get involved. My time is a little limited over the next few weeks but as of the end of August I have 10 hours per week for sure.
Andrea Rennick
I'd vouch for Siobhan having the chops to take the lead on this.
Azizur Rahman
Hi Matt, count me in to be one of the volunteer. I don't think I can do 10 hours at the moment to take a lead, due to my other volunteering commitment at the moment. I am happy to be supporting whoever ends up taking the lead.
Beau Lebens
If anyone is planning on coming to the Dev Day for WCSF, I plan on making contributions to the CCH part of the action for the day.
Devin Reams
Great! I'll be sure to stop by and lend a hand…
Chris Olbekson
I would love to help where ever possible on this. I think the perfect plugin to help manage the project is Edit Flow https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/edit-flow/. I'm not sure if it has a feed but the notifications and editorial comments will be very helpful.
Doug Provencio
I added a section called Suggestions, for people to add suggestions about Missing Sections, Style and Navigations, and Sections still needing major work.
Do we want to break off a list of which pages still need work (and who's working on them) onto its own page?
Matt Mullenweg
MT has given the typography on WordPress.org a refresh to bring it more in line with our sans-serif (instead of Lucida) approach in the WP dashboard, and also tightened up the vertical space the sub-heads were taking up on the page. Helvetica / Arial is a bit tougher than Lucida at smaller pixel sizes, so drop a comment here if you notice anything funky on the site.
Jane Wells
For newer contributors who don't know, MT = Matt Thomas.
Also nicer on mobile devices as well. Nice guys!
Alex Mills
so clean
Jane Wells
The new profiles layout is a project Chelsea Otakan and I did a while back, but we didn't get it coded up until this week when Otto was in town and pitched in. This is a first step toward integrating more activity stream stuff like attending WordCamps, meetups, etc.
Seems like the profiles doesn't have sans-serif yet?
MT is an hosting.?
Mika Epstein (Ipstenu)
Much much love for the forum level up
Older people + folks with terrible vision comment. The fonts are a smidge too small on the forums. If #forumlist has a fontsize of 12px (instead of 11) and maybe #forumlist a to 13px, it's just a bit easier on the eyes
+1 – it's really really tiny on my hi-res MBP's screen.
Also anyone know why the Meetups forum reports -73 (negative 73) topics?
Mika Epstein (Ipstenu)
It needs a re-count in bbPress. It's from all the support tickets people posted in there that we had to move out, or the spam we deleted.
Am I seeing things, or have the too-small fonts in the forum been tweaked some time today? Anyway, much better, now, and I really like the changes overall!
Chris Van Patten
I thought something looked different… really loving all the tweaks to wordpress.org this week. Looking great!
typography was one of the reasons you got involved with B2. All these years later and you're still tough on creating the best typography.
Ben Huson
Ben Huson
Whoops, meant to post that in the previous post above plugin headers… duh
Another nice enhancement might be to add gravatars or something on the plugin author pages too – just a suggestion.
I think it would be better to combine both profiles.
Mert Yazicioglu
I think user profiles on WP Profiles are going to be used across the site, hence they are redesigning it. If that's not the current plan, it most definitely should be 😉
Michael (alchymyth)
I am missing the background color behind codes when they are posted inline, which makes them harder to recognize.
Looking great to me, I'm a big fan of the update!
Chelsea Otakan
humungous yay!
Matt Mullenweg
Been giving a lot of thought to how to give plugin authors more control over their plugin pages. In WordPress custom headers have been hugely beneficial in people's ability to make a theme their own without having to be a designer. (And designers can make them really sing.)
As an experiment we've turned on custom headers for the plugin directory. If you'd like to try out this feature:
- Make a 772×250 pixel jpeg or png. (No animated GIFs. :))
- Check it in to your plugin's SVN directory with the path
. Note that theassets
directory is added to your plugin's root directory, not trunk. - On the next plugin directory refresh (every 15 minutes or so) you should see your image start showing up on the page.
For an example of this in action, check out Hello Dolly, natch. Our goal is to mainly see how people use them, so if you try this out leave comment below with a link to your plugin!
Final note: this is just an experiment, and there is a 98.254% chance the dimensions, placement, and text overlay for this header will change in the future, or the idea might not work at all. But I think it's a nice toe in the water for letting authors really make their plugin pages shine.
Rev. Voodoo
Hey, that looks pretty darn good! Definitely give folks a little opportunity for creativity! (You sure you don't want animation?) 😉
Put in the flying bee for bbPress. https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/bbpress/
John James Jacoby
My favorite!
Daryl Koopersmith
Debug Bar is showing off some new UI: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/debug-bar/
John James Jacoby
Daryl Koopersmith
You can preview a banner by adding ?banner_url=A_LINK_TO_YOUR_IMAGE
to your plugin URL.
Imaging the possibilities for pranks! https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/all-in-one-seo-pack/?banner_url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJvrGA.jpg
Alex Mills
Yeah we'll probably have to close that down at some point.
Chuck Reynolds
okay that's pretty funny. nice
Cristopher Ocana
LMAO prank time XD
But it's useful for testing. That's right, for testing.
For science.
I've limited this so that only contributors to a plugin can use the banner_url trick to preview images. For science. You monster.
Mike Schinkel
This is excellent news!
I think this will result in more companies being interested in maintaining their plugins because they will be able to control their branding and thus it will seem less like just a technical thing to them.
Thanks Matt, Koop and the rest of the team who are making this happen; you made my day!
P.S. No .GIF?
If GIFs were allowed, they would have to screen for animated ones. I don't think we want dancing Rick Astleys or flaming skulls in the plugin repository. Or do we?
Alex Mills
Plus the GIF format just plain sucks. PNG is the way to go.
Of course. The animation issue is just icing on the cake.
Mike Schinkel
@redwall_hp – Ah, good point, I was thinking more about how some images files can be much smaller in GIF vs. PNG, and some images are not a good fit for JPG. But the animation issue does, mixing with your metaphors put the nail in that coffin.
@Alex Mills: GIF may suck, but JPG is not good for simple raster images and PNG files are typically 2.5 times larges in size than an equivalent GIF files. For a larger image like 772×250, especially where transparency is not really needed, PNG is actually the one that sucks when compared to GIF.
But @redwall_hp had a good point about animations and that does trump image size IMO.
FWIW I find PNG-8 files (vs PNG-24) to usually be the same size or smaller than GIFs. Also using a tool like pngcrush or pngslim or http://punypng.com/ gets them even smaller.
Matt: I wasn't familiar with PNG-8 vs. PNG-24, thanks!
If you're on Windows, use IrfanView (free) with the PNGOUT plugin option (also free) to produce incredibly tiny PNG images.
Scott Cariss
15 mins is so long when you are waiting… Here is mine waiting for the plugin refresh: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-file-monitor-plus/?banner_url=http%3A%2F%2Fplugins.svn.wordpress.org%2Fwordpress-file-monitor-plus%2Fassets%2Fbanner-772×250.png
I'm not a designer by no means but that doesn't look too bad for a first attempt if I don't say so myself
I know! Been giving some thought to how we can make that faster.
Mark Jaquith
That should be getting faster soon. I want the update process to run continuously, so it's as fast as possible.
Andrew Nacin
There's a systems request in speed it up, but it'll take a bit of work. Soon, I hope.
How about this 😀
Love it!
Cool, I like the updated headers, glad to see the plugin directory getting some love!
I added a banner I doodled up to my plugin Meteor Slides: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/meteor-slides/
WP Candy noted these:
I just updated Tweetable: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tweetable/
James Laws
Love the changes:
Rev. Voodoo
Very tastefully done! That's a good'n!
Todd Halfpenny
This is a fab idea… I love it.
Just added a quickie to Widgets on Pages https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/widgets-on-pages/
Adam W. Warner
I'm a big fan of this for the various reasons already stated about better branding, but my only complaint would be to possibly restrict the height a bit more. As an avid WP user, I would like to see the description a bit more front and center. It gets pushed down quite a bit for my taste.
…but that's semantics;)
We also have 88 vertical pixels being taken up by the mostly-useless plugin directory header and login area that could be tightened up.
Sergej Müller
Nice one. Next one 😉
Ofer Wald
Ok, mine should be up soon at https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/transposh-translation-filter-for-wordpress/
Any chances to move the screenshots to a similar directory so that the plugin download will be a little less bloaty?
Mark Jaquith
We're considering just dropping the screenshots from the generated zip files. Obviously that'll mean that anyone who hotlinks those screenshots from within the plugin will have to change tactics, but it might be worth it to slim down the size of plugin zips.
What do you think?
John Blackbourn
+1. There's no need for screenshots to be in the zip file. The new banner in the assets directory may as well be left out too to keep it slim.
Ofer Wald
You have my vote on dropping those as soon as you can, and maybe even add some sort of gallery to the plugin page if its worked on. Will be more than happy to assist (given a point of contact)
Tammy Hart
+1. This would make a lot of sense.
Mika Epstein (Ipstenu)
+1 as well. Yes. That would be awesome.
(Bad hotlinkers, no cookies)
Aaron D. Campbell
+1 – I like it.
James Laws
+1 for me as well.
For back compat we can continue to support (and include in zip) screenshots in main part of a plugin's repo, but there's no reason we couldn't allow people to move things to the assets directory as a replacement. (Haven't thought about versions, though, maybe we can ignore it.)
Joost de Valk
+1 here. Anything we can do to make the downloads smaller so fewer issues occur is nice.
Mark Jaquith
It's not that many plugins that hotlink their own screenshot files. Here's the list. We could probably notify them directly of an upcoming change. Or heck, just whitelist them.
Joost de Valk
BTW would that also mean being able to do the screenshots in something like a fancybox / thickbox / colorbox? I've always thought they look a bit weird…
Ryan Hellyer
+1 Sounds like a sensible approach.
Andrew Nacin
Yeah, I'm thinking we support /assets/ for screenshots. Can make it backwards compatible easily. Thinking versions aren't necessary as they're only shown on the plugins page (and wouldn't be included in the zip at that point). Only someone viewing an old version's readme.txt and trying to match the numbers up would pose any sort of a change in the user experience.
Andrew Ensley
+1. Absolutely agree. I've had the removal of screenshots from the .zip files on my wishlist for a long time.
Ian Dunn
+1. Move them to the /assets dir.
Mert Yazicioglu
Great idea, it looks great!
Also, is there any chance of replacing the Downloads Per Day graph with a JS-based one?
Yeah that's on our list as well.
Mark Jaquith
You're on fire!
Hugo Baeta
Jeremy Herve
Well, isn't this awesome? I already liked the changes that you rolled out yesterday, it is good to see the plugin repo getting sexier!
I took the opportunity to update my Facebook apps plugin: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-facebook-applications/
matt mcinvale
that is awesome! now i need to find something equally as awesome to use for my header images.
David Hollander
It's like Christmas for plugin developers… Thanks Matt! I love this…
David Hollander
Here's for a few of my other plugins I just did:
Duane Storey
Nice change!
Joost de Valk
Tammy Hart
Okay, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've committed my jpg to my new assets folder, but it's not working. When i download the image from the browser, it says it's corrupt. https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/recipress/assets/
Mark Jaquith
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Mark Jaquith
It's up now. Looks really nice! https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/recipress/
Joost de Valk
Awesomeness indeed
Tammy Hart
great! thanks
Mark Jaquith
Here's a fun one. Contains the complete usage instructions for the plugin right in the banner, and an example of what it looks like. https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/login-logo/
Joost de Valk
Somehow I think most of my plugins will never be that easy to make headers for
I trust Fredrick is already hard at work on a banner like this for W3TC, right?
Chris Hurst
I just started messing with this a little bit, took me a few minutes to figure out how to add the assets to the SVN, but I got it working eventually. Here is a link to a few more tips I learned in the process and a link to my plugin…
http://mywebsiteadvisor.com/2011/12/update-your-wordpress-plugin-header-image/ https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/transparent-image-watermark-plugin/
John James Jacoby
Testing ideas with BuddyPress: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/buddypress/
David Hollander
Very cool. I like how you extended the title box for the icon.
Tammy Hart
ooo, nice move on the icon hack. "in a", has too much spacing. **2cents
Stole your idea, JJJ!
Mert Yazicioglu
Just put something simple for now: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-move/
The Frosty
Got mine up! https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/custom-login/
Mika Epstein (Ipstenu)
This is the only one I'm actually happy with (the wrong size is being fixed…)
I need to Like this comment.
Mika Epstein (Ipstenu)
https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-grins-ssl/ is decent at least
Though I noticed we DO NOT get svn commit emails for the assets folder. Interesting.
Lee Willis
Simple image sizes have it ! https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/simple-image-sizes/
John Lamansky
James Collins
Great idea guys!
You've given me a reason to once again pretend that I'm good at Photoshop: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/typekit-fonts-for-wordpress/
No need to pretend, if you can crop you're in.
Ryan Hellyer
Awesome. Thanks Matt
Thank Koop and Otto, they coded the whole thing up!
Joe Dolson
That's very cool – https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/my-calendar/!
I'm thinking summer thoughts, if you can't tell…
Mike Jolley
Brilliant, the new font lets you fit in longer version numbers without wrapping too https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/woocommerce/
WooCommerce is looking good: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/woocommerce/
Alex Mills
Just committed a banner but I didn't get an e-mail notifying me of the change like I would if I were to make a change to some code in my plugin.
Is this intentional? A bug?
John Blackbourn
Yeah I noticed that too
Stephen Cronin
Wow, this is great! But…
There will be some who cross the line with marketing / spamming etc. How long until someone sells a "Brought to you by " ad in the banner image for their plugin? In some cases that might be acceptable (if the company sponsors the development of the plugin). But what happens when it's a less than reputable ad (like an adult ad or promoting a non-GPL product)?
It would be good to have some up-front guidelines about what's acceptable, *before* this becomes a problem.
Anything that doesn't follow the plugin directory guidelines will be removed or taken over, just like if they put something bad in the code.
mitcho (Michael 芳貴 Erlewine)
This is fantastic! Thanks Koop + Otto (+ Matt)! Now only if I had some design sense… here's two down:
Not gonna lie; was pretty tempted to just make it this, though: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/?banner_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmitcho.com%2Fcode%2Fyarpp%2Fyarpp-matt.jpg
HyperDB now has one — https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/hyperdb/
It works for geeky plugins too!
Daryl Koopersmith
This is one of my favorites. So classy.
Thanks! Dave Martin made it.
John Blackbourn
I thought I'd be cheeky and display a couple of testimonials from people who use my plugin: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/user-switching/
This is a good addition to repository. I have added banners to some of my plugins:
It would be nice to have more images added to assets, starting with icon image. Also, having screenshots in there would be a good change also.
Vladimir Prelovac
Kudos for the holiday gift. Great idea!
Jane Wells
Hi Vladimir. It doesn't say anywhere on your plugin page that the plugin ties to a paid service. Can you please include this information on the description page? If you're not sure where to put it, you could do what Akismet does on theirs with a PS. https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/akismet/
Finally rtSocial is up after 15 minutes of long wait. Its looking awesome though https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/rtsocial/
Great Christmas present, I just put one on https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-monalisa and one on https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-forecast. Wouldn't it be nice to see a smaller banner in the plugins details thickbox in wordpress?
Thanks a lot from tuxlog
Lee Rickler
Is it just me or is there now a character limit in the description text? I've checked a few plugins and they also seem to be cut off but in different points.
Sexy new header added:
Yes, because people don't pay attention to the rules in the documentation.
"Here is a short description of the plugin. This should be no more than 150 characters. No markup here."
That 150 characters is indeed a hard limit.
Be great if the plugin author(s) info could be moved back up near the top of the plugin page to go along with this new branding. Thanks.
David Decker
Great idea – you guys rock!
I've added my plugin "Genesis Layout Extras" to the list
…all my other plugins will follow in the next days
Chuck Reynolds
Updated one of mine: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/brown-paper-tickets-api/
i just posted a new one (fancy) on https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/mailpress/
Chris Clayton
Beautiful addition to the plugin directory!
IMHO, This would also be really nice for the theme directory too Those tiny screenshot make my eyes twitch. :p
Oh, and while we are in the process of doing some amazing things to wp.org could we also turn on buddypress and bbpress theme preview support for wp-themes.com… It's annoying not being able to preview the themes properly before installing.
It's great! Many thanks for this feature.
Adam W. Warner
Hey all, I just wanted to show you a social sharing use case that this addition of plugin banners has allowed:)
Adam W. Warner
I'm "trying" to keep up with all the plugins listed here and keep them added…it may be a few days before yours makes it into the list;)
Helen Hou-Sandi
Awesome, love it!
Bob G
Anybody else notice that some of their Screenshots disappeared? I only now show the first and last screenshot (of the seven screenshots).
Frank P. Walentynowicz
WP-Table Reloaded now finally has got one, too!
Mine's up: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/duplicate-post/
I find it useful to show the new UI of my plugin, since I changed it recently to add new features.
Great idea. Thanks to Koop and Otto!
And here's one of mine: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/dynamic-content-gallery-plugin/
Dan Milward
Thanks Matt. This is pretty awesome!!
A little seasonal touch to our banner! Happy Holidays.
We got ours up. We're loving it.
Seth Carstens
After hours of agony, I somehow managed to get an "×" symbol in my image name instead of the "x" letter. Really weird, but finally I get to join the ranks of bannered plugin authors! Woot
Ian Dunn
What I'd really like to see is the ability to create custom pages, beyond just Installation, FAQ, Screenshots, etc. My FAQ page (https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/basic-google-maps-placemarks/faq/) is overloaded, and I'd like to be able to break it out into multiple pages.
Todd Halfpenny
The spankingly new Lanyrd Splat Widget is also sporting a banner… still loving this!
Ian Dunn
Another thing that'd be great would be if screenshots could link to the full-sized version. Right now the CSS is setting a max-width of 530px, which makes full-screen images hard to read. I create my screenshots at 960px (https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/basic-google-maps-placemarks/screenshots/) so that people can see the full pages if they want, but right now they'd have to open or download the images individually in their browser to do that.
My email encoder's one: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/email-address-encoder/
Gary Gale
Better late than never, but then again, it's been the Christmas holidays … now WP Biographia has some banner love too … https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-biographia/
Thanks for giving us this ability, just a trial banner for now, but will update with more professional one later.
Had to add a header to three of mine
Love the new Header Image Functionality.
New plugin, new header! http://j.ustin.co/xguKiW
Jason Witt
I just can't get this to work. I created a folder in my plugin's root directory name "assets". In that folder I placed a image named "banner-772×250.png". Committed the folder and the file, but it still doesn't show up. If I browse the repo it shows there. What am I doing wrong?
Great idea!
Here our banner: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/oa-social-login/
Had to try it… works great
Shibu Lijack
Love this new idea! Check out my plugin's banner:
Still gutted about animated gifs being disallowed. However, still a great addition to brighten the plugin repository – https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/authorsure/ is my contribution
Updated my plugin just to see the banner. A nice and simple feature for plugin devs.
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Nice implementation, quiet workable to me. https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/jetpack/
Dawn @ JoeMobi
LOVE the banner idea!
Here's ours: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/joemobi/
Is this feature still working?
I've added the /assets/banner-772×250.jpg to the SVN root for my plugin and it's not showing on the plugin page.
It's been checked in for 2 days now.
Any clues?
Andrew Nacin
Your name is using the character for "times" (×) rather than a simple "x". Moving the file to the correct place should fix it.
Sorted Andrew. Many thanks.
This is a great feature! Just implemented mine: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-admin-navigation-filter/
Matt Mullenweg
One idea that grew from this thread about the number of developers whose jobs are supported by WordPress was that we should try to get more information about the WP developer community at large. There are probably hundreds, maybe thousands, that have never registered at WordPress.org, let alone been to a WordCamp or subscribed to this blog. It would be interesting to know about them, and also to give them an opportunity to participate in (and maybe even contribute to) the community.
I'm planning on including a link to a survey in the 3.2 announcement post. Because the email goes to end-users as well as developers, this is a great opportunity to capture some feedback from them too. We'll open source the anonymized/aggregate raw response data and probably present some of the analysis at WordCamps too, like the upcoming State of the Word at WCSF.
The goals of the survey are:
- Gather data on the number and nature of companies and independent developers that use WordPress. (How many jobs has WP created?) Use this both for some static reporting, but also to track trends over time if we do a similar survey next year.
- Provide the community with a picture of the end users. What people and companies use WordPress, and how?
- Inspire greater participation in the community through awareness and the opportunity to receive more information.
It's currently sitting in the wiki at https://codex.wordpress.org/User:Pjad/WordPress_User/Developer_Survey
What do you think? Any questions missing or ones we should re-word?
Andrew Nacin
At a glance, looks great. Nice job, Pete!
Question 6 should probably have something like "contribute to WordPress.org (support, documentation, translations, theme reviews, etc."
Bronson Quick
Love this idea Matt. It'll be great to get some more WordPress data.
The survey looks excellent. My only input would be to maybe add in Q10 'I've attended a WordPress Meetup' as well.
Andrew Ozz
Sounds good to me too. Perhaps would have added 1-2 more questions for developers, something along the lines of:
"What do you find most difficult/most frustrating while working with WordPress? Examples: not enough or outdated documentation, not enough comments in the source describing how particular code is working, etc.".
And then:
"What do you find easiest/most satisfying when working with WordPress? Examples: huge amount of open source plugins implementing even the most unusual features, large enthusiastic community, excellent expandability/large amount of core hooks, etc.".
Paul Gregory
In Q10, there's no ticky-box for Trac participation other than "submitted a WordPress bug report" which reads a bit too specifically as "first post". Also, there should possibly be a ticky-box for contributions to "Extend > Ideas".
It seems that there is no equivalent to Q10 for non-developers. I would have thought that end-users that get the notification email or read the 3.2 announcement are just as likely to attend a WordCamp or answer forum questions. I think you should split out the "engage with community" answers from Q10 and ask them of both types of people.
Matt Mullenweg
We have a checkbox in profiles where people can say "I make my living from WordPress." As of today, 19,932 people have checked that box.
It's a neat data point, but also makes me curious about more.
I'd love to have a yearly survey we promote when we do a release to ask questions of the WP community that we'd love answered, perhaps collecting (and refining) them on a Codex page throughout the year.
What would you ask?
Aaron D. Campbell
For those (like me) that were having a hard time figuring out where that checkbox Matt was talking about was, it's in your Support Forums profile NOT your profiles.wordpress.org profile.
Alex M.
Here's some I could think of:
- Type of job, i.e. independent contractor, work for a web development firm, work for a non-web dev corp but do their web stuff, etc.
- Amount of time they've made their living off WP (months/years)
- When did they start using WP (I guess sorta relates to previous question)
- Self-taught (reading code, Codex, etc.) or instructed in the ways of WP
How much time to they contribute to WordPress.org?
Edward Caissie
Following the original checkbox questions with sub-questions:
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I think a more in-depth survey, strictly WP-related, akin to what ALA does (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/survey2010) would be incredibly interesting. Not necessarily as in-depth, but more than just a single question.
Philip Arthur Moore
1. "Have you ever attended a WordPress WordCamp event?"
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Jon Brown
While I think more granular data about how people make their living with WordPress would be cool, it'd also be interesting to hear what users do that are not making their living with WP.
Pro:- as a theme developer (PHP/MySQL/JS)
- as a plugin developer (PHP/MySQL/JS)
- as a site designer (UI/UX/Graphics)
- as a site operator (business)
- My site sells a product
- My site sells advertising
- I've modified an existing theme's code
- I've written a theme from scratch
- I've written a plugin
- My site sells something
- My site sells advertising
Also maybe with 3/4 check boxes for novice, intermediate, expert…
Then random stuff
- The first version of WP I used was:
- My favorite thing about WordPress is:
- My least favorite thing about WordPress is:
Alex M.
BBCode doesn't work in WordPress. 😉 I've fixed your comment for you by switching to HTML, well specifically by putting asterisks in front of each of your list items (we have an asterisk -> list feature here on WP.com).
Mike Schinkel
Simple ask: "What do you do to make my living from WordPress?"
(Maybe add it next to the check box even?)
Dan Schultz
The folks at A list Apart do an annual Web Design Survey – http://aneventapart.com/webdesignsurvey/ . Partnering or consulting with them might be helpful, or you could just reviewing their past questions & results for some inspiration.
Since I work on the Fraxion Payments plugin and we are starting to get a core user base you would have to include "selling my content" as one of the ways to earn a living. Right now we only have a bit over 100 locked posts/pages over about 8 web sites and around 200 readers with Fraxions to spend but it is growing. And you can include folks that make a buck out of google ads etc.


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More Messages: Changing the Scripps
After the Rocky Mountain News entered into a joint-operating agreement with the Denver Post several years ago, many newspaper-business observers predicted that, figuratively speaking, the Rocky would soon go from wrapping fishes to sleeping with them. Instead, the tabloid has stayed above water thanks in large part to the steadfast commitment of Cincinnati-based E.W. Scripps, which owns the Rocky and several other local pubs, including the Boulder Daily Camera and the Colorado Daily.
Now, however, the corporation's resolve is in doubt. Yesterday, Editor & Publisher, an industry trade publication, released an article pointing out that in an investor conference call on January 9, Joseph NeCastro, Scripps' executive vice president/finance and administration, floated the idea of separating the newspaper unit from the outfit's other, more profitable divisions. That could mean either the creation of a newspaper-specific operation under the Scripps banner or the sale of properties to a single buyer or a whole slew of them.
After the E&P item was posted on Romenesko, a popular journalism website, Rocky managing editor Deb Goeken felt compelled to release a memo intended to calm the troops about the possibility of the paper being put on the market. "I want to reassure everyone that there is no sale imminent," she wrote, adding, "Business reporter David Milstead interviewed a company executive this morning who said it's important to note that nowhere in the question and answer did a Scripps exec discuss an outright sale." Of course, Goeken's soothing words wound up on Romenesko, too, as did a note to company publishers from Mark Contreras, Scripps' vice president of newspaper operations
Today, Milstead's piece about Scripps reflects the comment to which Goeken's memo refers, but doesn't allude to any inside-the-Rocky trepidation. The Post's take does, sort of; at least it cites Goeken's note. It also lingers longer on the prospect of the sale, perhaps even to MediaNews, owner of the Post; Dean Singleton, MediaNews' head honcho, declined to comment.
Singleton's silence on this topic shouldn't be taken as a sign that he'd seriously consider buying the Rocky. He'd likely make a lot more money having the only major daily newspaper in town than he would by propping up the Post's historical competitor. (Of course, he could buy it to keep rivals at bay, then shutter it...) But NeCastro's remarks can't be so easily dismissed. In all likelihood, he brought up the prospect of jettisoning the newspapers to gauge Wall Street's reaction to the idea -- and the investment experts quoted in the reports linked here universally got googly-eyed at the thought. As has been pointed out here and elsewhere in the past, newspapers simply aren't generating the hefty profits they once did, and that makes stock valuators nervous -- but not as nervous as the employees of Scripps publications. -- Michael Roberts
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