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Lifting residency rule would benefit the city, Sheriff Clarke says
Gov. Scott Walker's proposed elimination of residency requirements for local government employees gets strong support from Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. »Read Full Blog Post
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Not a surprise. Predictable partisan.
Not a surprise... Barrett on the wrong side of a topic.
Not that long ago Walker agreed with him.
Wasn't until Walker left Milwaukee that he change his tune.
jarule, check the 1999 bill he sponsored in the assembly before you make yourself look any worse
jhumb - so he flip flop and flipped...meh so much for local control. white flight due to forced bussing trashed the city by driving everyone out. removing residency will just finish off milwaukee. this will help those of us in the burbs with our home values....
there is nothing more local than the family unit... this gives them control back to make decisions outside of these unecessary government restrictions... so yeah, local control
Libs love local control...right up until the time they need money for all of their social/entitlement programs, then they run to the rest of the state taxpayers with their hands out.
jhumbe - when Walker was County Executive he was FOR the residency rule.
Why won't the Sheriff have something to say. He gets up each day looking for an opportunity to hear himself speak. And, why not support Walker. Clarke is a thoroughbread republican who ran for office as a Dem. Can't trust a man who denies is basic political affiliation.
All Dems need to think alike in lockstep? Sounds like Germany 1928.
A libertarian running as a republican progressive comes to mind.
Only the Constitution Party represents the conservative Country Class against the progressive Ruling Class democraps and repugnicans. -
He might actually be a thoroughbred too.
Can you please tell me the precise difference in a Republican Sheriff and a Democratic Sheriff as it directly relates to their job responsibilities they're elected to do?
Steve Schultz- wrong headline. Nowhere does it say that repealing residency would "improve" Milwaukee. Headline should have read: "Sheriff says lack of residency rule forces City Leaders to actually do their jobs". GASP!!!!!
Yup Barrett DO YOUR JOB
Thanks for the advice...now bobcats, when are you going to get a job?
I want sheriff Clarke to be the Mayor of Milwaukee
He'll be one of the first to move out of the city. Maybe he can be mayor in the burbs
The residency requirement was written at a time when we all rode horses to work. So it's obvious.....Oh wait....Does Clarke still ride a horse to work ??
Clarke is awesome. can you even imagine how much better how much less BS there would be in Milwaukee if Clarke were mayor?
I didn't realize everyone road horses to work in 1938
Many individuals in rural areas did ride horses and did not own cars in the 30s. This would have made it difficult for them to live in appleton and worked in Milwaukee. Remember the suburbs of today were heavily filled with agriculture back then.
in 1938 Tosa was the suburb...
Most people in the city in the 30's took mass transit. Streetcars
They didn't have streetcars and many rural citizens didn't own a car. This would have made it difficult for them to work and commute to the city to eork
Apparently You never heard of the interurban rail lines. Ran all over rural areas into Milw. as early as 1900
The article states that Barrett is concerned about property values. Freedom and liberty should always triumph over greed and money! Thank you David Clarke for your support and for risking your life everyday to protect others!
What has Barrett done lately to increase property values in Milwaukee?......I see.
Agree, Clarke is awesome. did you see JS is looking for city employees to talk about the residency rules?
Yes however the author requesting employees does not write about the MFD or MPD in a very good light. This concerns me so I did not respond. Also I'm a wife of an employee not one myself
I understand
What could be greedier than bargaining for wages, salaries, and benefits. Then, instead of using that SAME bargaining to get rid of residency requirements, or seek a waiver, you have the Governor sneak it into a Budget bill.
Milwpov, MFD and MPD attempted to negotiate and Barrett refused and told them to take it to the state. They were willing to give up a lot including raises. Now they did. Your mayor is to blame!
There you go CW. MPD and MFD tried to negotiate it. Maybe give up raises. Well they can still negotiate, and got raises. All other city employees got no raises and the Gov said no more negotiating, Pur Payback from Walker
Hey ded hed you can't negotiate if the mayor wont sit down at the table on the issue. His firm policy is that he will not negotiate. In fact at the last session of contract negotiations he told the negotiators from both police and fire unions that if they wanted this changed then go to Madison and get it legislated. Well they did, and now he is whining about it; something he told them to do in the first place. The unions wanted to negotiate, but he wouldn't. If you doubt this then check the city's open records. There is a letter on file from alderman Donavan to the mayor confirming what I just wrote. These employees are just trying to enjoy the same basic freedoms that everyone else enjoys. They shouldn't be confined like prisoners because of the job that they do to provide for their families. Time to lift an archaic rule!
TNAST Barrett - log off plant.
I'll tell my boss that freedom and liberty are more important than greed and money when she asks why I showed up to work two hours late wearing a T-shirt and jeans.
Do you seriously think David Clark is out on the street every day risking his life to keep you safe?
Mark the difference is the city is making demands on my free time residence. You are talking about an employer making demands while on company time. Two very different concepts!
Concerned Vukmir - Didn't Walker warn you that you aren't supposed to be typing on these posts during work hours?
How embarrassing for Barrett to have to publicly admit that he believes City workers would flee without this requirement holding them here.
What's more embararsing is that empoyees who took the benefits if the bargain now wish to renig on residency. What's their promise worth? I don't think the freedom w/o responsibility voices are the REAL firefighters and policepeople. These are the Walker koch propoganfists and Tea Partiy ignorants posing rights/w/o responsibility philosophy that is the foundation of their fascism.
When is Tom Barrett's term as mayor ending. I'm trying to find it and I noticed Barrett's state of the city address is Monday 2/25
Removing the residency rules will eventually turn Milwaukee into Detroit...and if you think you can "blame" any one politician, you need to remove your head from you know where.
why? I think it will have the opposite effect
how is Milwaukee UNLIKE Detroit now anyways? If the only way that the city can keep people wanting to work there (or live there) is to force them, the city is already in deep do-do
There are less than 7,000 city employees out of a total population of 600,000. Not everyone is going to move. And I'm sorry you are more concerned with the city than you are with freedom for all!
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Sorry Diane, Milwaukee is Detroit already. Time to get rid of the same old policies and politicians.
I suppose the fictitious 6,000 number also has no spouse and no children.
Time for some new lines from you NAST, because the ones you keep using are tired.
Poor litte temper tantrum thumb boy couldn't read his job ap. How's that one?
Sounds like the same line as usual from you Thomas.
A leader with VISION!!!!!
Please, Sheriff lead our city
Clarke for Mayor!!!!!!-
Clarke for President!
Good idea
Milwaukee Tantrumman is back again.


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Hello I purchased this , and used the 60 W bulbs that were recommended. The shade turned brown behind each light bulb. I immediately reduced to 40 W but my shade is scarred. Can I get a replacement shade? I am totally late in doing this because my husband was very ill and I wasn't able to check on this. Thanks so much Marilyn
Modern and Elegant. Looks beautiful in my master bath.
4-light Chrome Crystal Chandelier
Bring a touch of luxury to your home with this beautiful chrome crystal chandelier. With four lights, a chrome shade, and clear crystal glass details, this modern chandelier will make you feel like royalty without the royal price tag.
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Bring an elegant, luxurious touch to your home decor with this beautiful four-light chandelier. This light fixture features a chrome finish, shade and clear crystal glass details. Create beautiful illumination in any room in your home with this attractive light fixture that features a blend of traditional style elements with a bold and modern design. Sized just right for hanging over a dining table, this fixture is also ideal for rooms with tall ceilings, such as foyers.- Chrome finish, chrome shade
- Clear crystal glass
- Chain length: 40 inches
- Setting: Indoor
- Fixture finish: Chrome
- Number of lights: Four (4
- Requires four (4) 60-watt candelabra (E12) bulbs (not included)
- Dimensions: 16 inches wide x 20 inches high
- Shade dimensions: 16 inches diameter x 8.5 inches height
- Ceiling plate dimensions: diameter 4.7 inches x height 1.6 inches
- Overall dimensions: 60 inches high x 16 inches wide
This fixture does need to be hard wired. Assembly is required. Professional installation is recommended.
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Color | Silver |
Material | Chrome Glass Iron |
Finish | Chrome Finish |
Number of Light | 4 Lights |
Width | 16 in or less |
Shade Material | Clear Glass |
Height | 20 in to 23 in |
Switch Type | Hardwired |
Assembly | Assembled |
Bulb Wattage | 60 W |
Ceiling Light Fixture Type | Chandelier |
Light Bulb Type | Incandescent |
Light Direction | Downlight |
Lighting Style | Contemporary |
Lighting Type | Chandeliers |
Dimensions | 16x20 in |
Materials | Metal, crystal |
Model Number | BCM-030-SC4 |
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Beautiful Chandelier Modern and Elegant. Looks beautiful in my master bath.
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Crystal chandelier Beautiful chandelier for my Dinning room. Clean lines and gives the room a hint of glamour.
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BEAUTIFUL I just had this chandelier installed in my dining room and it is so pretty. I can't comment on installation because I didn't do this one but I'm sure I would have heard about it had it been difficult. The photo doesn't do it justice really. When it is lit the mesh area behind the metallic cutout sparkles and it is very elegant with a soft glow. Its my favorite replacement light fixture for my old worn out brass fixtures that came with my house.
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Okay I guess you get what you pay for.
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Excellent Item This fixture looks fantastic in person. Easy install too!
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Beautiful Unique Chandelier I purchased this chandelier for a pool bath and love it! Most of the people that purchased this said they were using it over their dining room but is had just the vibe I was looking for for my pool/guest bath. I wanted a drum shade chandelier but most of them were too large, too fancy or just too pricey. This one is perfect for a smaller space because it offers plenty of light but doesn't overwhelm the room. The silver scroll shade is unique and can go with a contemporary or traditional decor. The shade glows a little ivory which makes it nice and soft. If you are looking for a bright white light this one might not be for you because even though it claims that the shade is white, unless you put in a led bulb or one of the newer ones you are going to get a soft ivory. I love it!!!
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Better Than Pictured! This chandelier is gorgeous! The chrome with the Optical Crystals make the chandelier shine more. Optical Crystals create sparkle, shine, and most of the time cast shadows on the ceiling or wall. Outter side of shade is made of stainless steel with a chrome finish! Simple Assembly... just add the crystals! Ideal for Retro, Chic, Modern, Transitional and Many Decors. As a Personal Shopper, this is a great seller! My clients couldnt be happier! :) Highly Recommended! Regular Overstock Shopper? Join their Club O' and save money! :)
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amazing chandelier I am in love with this chandelier! I purchased it for my dining room & have received numerous compliments on it. The crystal just give it a "wow" factor & makes you do a double-take to admire it!! Certainly took my dining room from "blah" to "WOW"!!If you like what you see on the website's picture, you will love what you receive! So far so good with all the items purchased from O, top notch quality & excellent prices as well as an unbeatable shipping charge :)
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So Pretty It is so nice. We have a funky formica and chrome 1050s style table and this chandelier looks great over it. It gives you that crystal chandelier look with a chic modern look. Another A+ from Overstock.
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This is a Stunning decoration! I received this Chandelier 1 week and half after order it because of the 4th of July Holiday. The packaging was intact and the chandelier was packed in sturdy styrofoam. All the Crystals were wrapped in styrofoam wraps and they also gave me extra crystals and hanging wire just in case I lost some. The installation was easy at first until we got to the part where I had to screw the main tube in the middle to the top of the hanging plate. It was so hard to line up the screw to the hole and there was not enough screwing part to screw into the plate. It is hard for me to explain it but you will see when you get to this installation part. Anyway, my father-in-law and my husband got it figured out. It took us a while but when it was all done, it was all worth it! Thank you overstock for this beautiful chandelier. My dining room looks more like formal dining now. It brings a contemporary and upscale look to our entire kitchen!
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Hello Manny, you are welcome to use compatible LED bulbs for this fixture. Thanks for shopping with us!
Why did you choose this product?
Need chandelier for my master bath. Its elegant and modern. Goes perfect with the design of my shower door.
Hi, Who is the manufacturer for this fixture?
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what kind of light bulbs are recommended?
Hello jshpo, this chandelier requires 4 60-watt candelabra (E12) bulbs. I hope this helps. Thank you for shopping with us!
can this be converted into a plug in? i know some do but not sure about this one. Well i already purchased it :(
Hello Rosanna, unfortunately this item is out of stock. We currently do not have inventory to check, and cannot guarantee the item will be restocked. Thank you for shopping with us.
Do you have coordinating lamps that could mount to a bathroom mirror?
Thank you for your question, moneypit13. We did not find any coordinating lights. But, we found the Empire 3 Light Polished Chrome With Alabaster Vanity, item 14332512. Please check it out along with our other bathroom lights. Have a great day.
hi! this lamp is beautiful. I am considering the flushmount for our small 1 story foyer. To match, i would like to use this candelier for the adjacent staircase. I'm sorry, I hope I am explaining properly, I wish I could add a picture, but the house is a centerhall colonial, with the staircase enclosed by walls. Do you think this is big/substantial enough for that space?
Hello kl1218, this chandelier would be great for that area! Thank you for shopping with us!
I need to replace the velum liner that sits inside the chrome shade. Where can I order that from?
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Hi, I wanted to put two of these over my kitchen island. Will these chandeliers be too big to be next to each other.
It depends on how close together you'll be hanging them and how big your island is. They are about 17" in diameter. They are a lot bigger than a typical pendant lamp one might put above an island.
Thank you for your question jacksmiami. That depends on a couple of things. How big is your kitchen island and how much space you have to work with. We suggest that you measure the area you want to hang the chandeliers over and check out the dimensions of the lights. Have a great day.
Hi, thanks for the reply. I just measured and its 31 inches in between to 2 light hookups in the ceiling.
I would go with pendant lighting, unless your island is huge.
I have one over a 43" round table. It fills the spot perfectly. It would take a good size island for two. I absolutely love mine. It make me smile every day! If your kitchen is large, go for it! Otherwise, something smaller. Lots of choices besides a "traditional" pendant. Me, I love chandeliers!
I would not suggest 2, but one should suffice nicely.
I think 2 would be far too much, these are a bit of a statement, but there are similarly styled pendants which would probably work better.
Hello, I also have 8 ft ceilings and am considering this for my kitchen over the dining table. Can anyone tell me if this would hang too low, or overpower a small eating area with 8 ft ceilings?I'm very undecided between this or one of the flush mount chandeliers. Thanks!
Thank you for your question heavenlyh0me. The total lamp length for the 4-light Chrome Crystal Chandelier is 61 inches, it would hang low. So, the you could choose one of the flush mount chandeliers and we suggest the sku#14531418, which has the similar design as this chandelier, but it's a flush mount chandelier. Have a great day.
You could certainly shorten the chain to the length you need. It depends on the look you are trying to achieve. The chandelier is much more dramatic.
The chain can be shortened, it would be a nice touch over your dining area - I love mine!
I did not receive an instruction booklet on how to install crystals. Please send a link to instructions, or advise on how to do so.
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It didn't come with a booklet. It came with a sheet of paper that outlines how to install the crystals.
What is the least amount of chain I can use? I have 8ft ceilings, and if the total height is already 20in, I'd have to add the chain as well?
Thank you for your question ak3986. The overall dimensions, including the chain, are 16 inches w x 60 inches h, the fixture dimensions, the length of the chain is excluded, are 16 inches w x 20 inches h. The chandelier will work if you hang it on the 8 foot ceiling, so there's no need to add the chain. Have a great day.
I hung mine in the dressing room (9ft ceiling) and it looks great! You should have no problems with an 8ft ceiling!
I would like to purchase a replacement shimmery plastic sheet. Please advise as to how to go about ordering.
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Does the manufacturer sell replacement shimmery plastic sheets?
Thank you for your question d1wash2. Yes, replacement shimmery plastic sheets are available. Have a great day.
Is it dimmable?
Hello internationalgoddess, yes this is dimmable. Thank you for shopping with us.
Yes, and needs to be. It can be quite bright. I have it overhanging at the side of my bed. I use the remote for turning it off when I go to sleep.
Yes, we have our on a dimmer.
Is the wiring aluminum or copper?
Would it be suitable for a bathroom or would it rust with the moisture?? thinking it would be great to hang over a tub.
I don't think it would rust. It would look lovely in a bathroom. But it would have to be a large room and in a place where it would not be directly in contact with water.
would look awesome over bath
I wouldn't put it in a bathroom.
can the chain and the electric cord be shortened?
Thank you for your question. Yes, the chain and the cord can be shortened on the 4-light Chrome Crystal Chandelier. Have a great day.
Yes! We've shortened the chain so it hangs higher because we're tall and don't want to bump our heads.
Yes to both questions
is the outside shade made of metal of plastic
Thank you pashis for the question about the 4-light Chrome Crystal Chandelier. The shade of the light fixture is metal that has been chromed. Thank you for the question and thank you for shopping Overstock.com.
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Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with groff (which these days I use synonymously with troff though that's not quite right). It has many extensions to troff that help quite a bit, and it does pretty much all I need to do. TeX/LaTeX has some added flexibility, but it comes at the expense of greatly increased verbosity (if you use LaTeX). And no one really uses groff without macro packages or the proprocessors. -ms is fine for most things, but there are others, such as -me, -mm and -mom. Support for the groff family also is quite good through a small but dedicated group on a mailing list. Its main failing I have found is that it is hard to float text around an inserted graphics element, which is important when you have page limits, and that the graphics insertion routines are rather picky about the eps syntax (and you can't use any other format, though you can always convert). The other limitation is that very few publishers accept troff code, but usually do accept TeX/LaTeX code. That is a *major* problem. Some accept a submission in PDF format, but many more do not. I also think that the computer modern font Knuth developed is downright ugly. I understand the motivation for its development, but there is a reason that type designers didn't come up with something like it. I know you can use others, but Times Roman is just a better default (not that it is my favorite either). |
Unfortunately domination of the TeX is probably due to the fact that TeX was open source while Troff was jealously guarded ATT child until it was too late. |
personally, i don't use g/troff or (la)tex and i never thought about this until you guys brought this up. so why did Knuth create TeX if troff was already available at the time?
(BTW, i think Jmj_coder was asking the same question ) > I preferred if he worked on improving Troff instead of waisting 10 years of his life to code TeX from the scratch. the man is known as the father of computer science and his intellect/achievements exceeds that of all of us combined. do you really think he would "waste" 10 years of his life creating TeX without a compelling reason for doing so? |
I'll not let facts get in the way of healthy speculation, but I would guess that Knuth simply got interested in text processing and thought he could improve the state-of-the-art. Academics are free to do that -- there need be no real "reason". That troff was closed at the time was likely a motivation.
third volume of the Art of the Computer Science for almost two decades would cold -heartedly agree with me. I would go with Dr. J healthy speculation. Troff was closed and there were no real alternatives at the time for typesetting while the old gold standards were scraped by publishers due to the cost. I agree that Knuth is the Leonard Euler of CS. However do not let the greatness cloud your mind. Great people also make blunders. The famous one in Computer Science is one committed by John von Neumann by putting a single clock in the heart of the computer despite fierce opposition of the chief co-architect Dr. Lehman from U.C. Berkley (Just like Dr. J) who wanted to put couple clocks and run programs in parallel fashion. That effectively hindered the development of parallel programming for half a century. I could not get of the impression that Knuth has gotten himself little bit too much into calligraphy. The fact that he brought Brian Ried inventor of the third major type setting system of the time Scribe to Stanford is the one of my arguments. It is important however to notice that typesetting systems that we are talking for granted today have been painfully developed by some of the brightest minds of computer science. Cheers, OKO P.S. For Moderators. I apologize to BSD666fun and everybody else as I had no intention of hijacking original thread. It seems to me that one of my original remarks mentioned in respond to the question to PCC compiler lead to this very interesting discussion TeX vs Troff. Could you pelase separate the thread. Last edited by Oko; 9th November 2008 at 07:23 PM. |
like Knuth we started with PCC then switched to a completely unrelated topic.
can the moderators fork this thread? > The famous one in Computer Science is one committed by John von Neumann by putting a single clock in the heart of the computer despite fierce opposition of the chief co-architect Dr. Lehman from U.C. Berkley (Just like Dr. J) who wanted to put couple clocks and run programs in parallel fashion. That effectively hindered the development of parallel programming for half a century. this is interesting. can you tell us more about it or point to any links? BSDfan666, sorry for hijacking the thread. > U.C. Berkley (Just like Dr. J) Oko, don't get me wrong, I was just being a fanboy and I didn't mean it that way. Last edited by ephemera; 9th November 2008 at 06:51 PM. |
While troff was closed, AT&T was rather liberal with academic licenses. Stanford undoubtedly had the source. It would hinder its wide-spread propagation, though that may not have mattered much to Knuth initially. My guess is that he looked at the troff source, and found areas where he could improve the product, such as the spacing and line-break algorithms. You also have to remember where the industry was in those days. troff and its many preprocessors was the practical justification that was used to develop Unix originally. KSRs were still very common, and being displaced slowly by terminals. The PDP 7 and 11 were considered to be very powerful computers. These days we have more computing power in our cell phones. Move forward a few years into the late 1970s and early 1980s, and you are in the era of CP/M 8-bit machines. Wordstar was king (though I used the EMACS- and Scribe-like editor-formatter Final Word). Eight-pin dot matrix printers were the most common (yuk!); there were some daisy wheel and rotating ball printers that had extended character sets but they were really costly (like over $2K). The majority of scientific and technical document processing was done on Wang stand-alone word processors. On the other end of the spectrum were the dedicated phototypesetters. These usually ran on minicomputers, used proprietary software, and drove the phototype output device. The output form was photographic paper; resolutions were extremely high (on the order of 6000 dpi) and the type was absolutely beautiful. My wife at the time was a typographical proofreader and typesetter, and it was through her that I originally got into type. The output from troff was limited to a single typesetter (Berkeley had one which I used) and the troff output type, while quite good, fell terribly far short of what could be done with dedicated systems. There simply was not enough attention given to character spacing (kerning), typographical "nicities" like ligatures, interword spacing and use of thousands and thousands of type families, and their corresponding weights, in condensed and expanded faces, and in faces (like italic). While extremely capable as a technical document production system, troff was a pretty crude typesetter when compared with the professional systems. That's the context into which Knuth started TeX. It is no wonder that he thought he could do better -- there were many areas where improvement was possible. At the same time, he was undoubtedly influenced greatly by troff, which you can see in how it handles mathematics. Personally, I think the troff preprocessor eqn is one of the most brilliant pieces of software ever written. Incidentally, type these days has taken a terrible turn for the worse. There simply is no replacement for phototype -- it is simply stunningly beautiful. You really should try to find a galley on photographic paper produced by a first-rate system. There is nothing like it. At the same time, the word processors uniformly turn out ugly type. MS Word, for example, in spite of the alleged sophistication of its many internal algorithms, produces profoundly ugly type. I can always tell when someone has written a document in it. Both troff and TeX produce type that is worlds better. But even those pale in comparison with the old dedicated systems. These, alas, are pretty much dead. Typography has never really recovered from the introduction of the personal computer. And I count that as a great shame. The upside is that for a few hundred dollars (including an inexpensive laser printer), one can use troff or TeX to produce documents that are pretty good. They are much, much better than documents produced by the old Wang (or even scientific typewriters!) and so they are much more accessible to the general user. Sadly, those users tend to use Word or its equivalents, which really have no place for anything beyond a simple memo. That is, if one places any value in the appearance of type. Sorry for the length of the post, but this is an area near to my heart, as you can probably tell. |
Lets put this way. I know very well the guy (mister X) who is now 85 years who was Ph.D. student of late Dr. Lehman at the time. For the record mister X was not my Ph.D advisor. We are just very good friends. My Ph.D. advisor was dealing with computers mostly through me! Last edited by Oko; 9th November 2008 at 07:35 PM. |
Is the roff family capable of any typesetting task presented to it - or is it just the syntax is so unnatural that it is hard to learn?
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This might be an interesting reading for you http://www.tug.org/interviews/interv...r-lemberg.html By the way Werer Lemberg is current maintainer of Troff. He has significantly contributed to LaTeX, and he is professional composer by occupation so he uses Lilypond on daily basis. Speaking of Troff syntax I find it little bit more difficult than TeX but I have used TeX thousand times more than Troff. It is OK actually. Why don't you try. There are enough documents on the net to get you start with the simple document in Troff. Unix in the Nutshell has a good short introduction. Lets face it. Any markup language is far beyond capabilities of most desktop users. Don't forget most Windows users are not like Dr. J who uses Windows because he has to run specific software. Last edited by Oko; 9th November 2008 at 09:24 PM. |
The macro packages are pretty easy to use for most things, as are the preprocessors for equations (eqn), tables (tbl), references (refer), line drawings (pic), graphs (grap) and chemistry (chem). I've found that you have to know a certain amount of raw troff to do some of the things I want to, and that is less than intuitive until you get the hang of it. That takes some time. The next level up, such as writing macros, is pretty challenging for me, mainly because I don't do it enough to stay in shape. An excellent introduction to the troff family is the original Bell Labs documentation. You can find much of it here: http://www.troff.org/papers.html Remember that groff has many useful extensions from the troff of these papers, but they are an excellent place to start. I still use my dog-eared Unix Seventh Edition programmer's manual (volume 2) as my day-to-day reference. FWIW, I learned it by writing everything in raw troff (from the tutorial), including overhead slide presentations and simple memos, until I got the hang of it. Then I moved on into the macro packages, which then were quite easy. I don't know if that sort of effort is worth it these days. The upside is that every *nix system has groff, it is still used for man pages, and it is very powerful. The downside is that an investment in TeX might be better if you are looking to publish or exchange source files with other authors (though they usually use Word). For me I've used it for 25 years, so it is second nature. But it really does suck to have to translate the code to TeX, and then diddle with it, to publish anything. There are enough hurdles to getting articles out the door already. |
These are the sort of discussions that leave me confused as to what to study. On my list of things to learn is troff/groff/nroff/tex/latex and I'm not sure what to choose or where to start. I always find articles and postings that do what seems to be done above, that is, "troff can do anything you want better"/"I don't know if it's worth learning anymore" and "Latex isn't as good"/"No one can accept your troff files" or "Everyone uses Latex"/"It can't do what you want". (Don't take all that literally.)
This rocking back and forth makes me unsure what to take up first and what's worth pursuing later. I think, I think, I want to be able to markup my text that can be easily published, or at least easily translated to postscript or pdf (or even Word/OO?). As an assembly language programmer, I like working with the simple basics of handling raw code but I don't want to waste my time with something no one can use, or no one uses anymore. I even get confused with the differences between the different roffs. Does it all boil down to this compilation from DrJ above? Quote:
If you are not doing mathematics, you should learn DocBook
The roff's and Tex are presentation-oriented, while Docbook is presentation-neutral. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DocBook : Quote:
It wouldn't be too difficult to write a stylesheet to produce Tex or troff markup. Some more details about this can be found in http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=184 BTW the FreeBSD handbook is written in DocBook and IIRC it uses Tex to produce the Postscript/PDF output.
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The answer is "it depends." Lots of help, right?
But it does depend on what you want to do: what sorts of documents you want to produce, the parties with whom you collaborate (if any), and where those documents will go. Either troff (used generically) or TeX produce decent documents, even getting html or pdf from them. That's easy. Where both of the shine is in producing complex documents, like technical reports that include heavy math and tables and the like. That includes things like technical publications or proposals. If you want just a PDF at the end, use either. If you want to submit an article to ACS or APS (for example), go with TeX. Many publications from the Royal Society or Elsevier accept PDFs and massage them directly. But honestly, most are geared, even in this space, more for Word. If you collaborate with all but a few of us nerdly types, don't bother. Just use Word or OO.o. And there is no good way to take a troff or TeX document and convert it to Word and back. I'd suggest you learn both troff and TeX, at least at a rudimentary level. They are in many ways very similar in how they do their jobs, but the specific statements are of course a bit different. It is like picking up a new programming language -- at first it seems like it is hard, but after you know four or five, picking up a new one is just no big deal. You don't have to learn all of the low-level troff stuff -- I did, and it helps, but it is by no means necessary. Most people can get by just fine without it. These days I write in troff, use a translator to convert it to TeX, and then massage the code so that it formats properly. OKO probably does something similar, but in reverse. I probably should learn TeX/LaTeX better, but honestly it just does not seem worth the time. If you are set on only learning one, TeX is probably the better choice these days. It is used in more places, and more people seem to know it well. You probably won't see much difference in the output quality unless you do *really* heavy-duty math (mostly in the symbolic area). In this case TeX is better. It is also better for writing non-Roman documents (like in Arabic). For western documents it makes little difference. On the other hand, the introductory troff + preprocessor documentation is really outstanding, and just feels like Unix. TeX feels more like Pascal when you are used to troff's C, or the GNU command-line options ("-this_option_is_really_long") when you are used to BSD ("-opt"). That's an aesthetic choice, and not one of functionality or usefulness. One example might be the number of options to control font size. LaTeX has five (or more?) options to make fonts larger. Most troff macros have one, since it was geared to writing standard patent applications. I usually just use the direct font-size commands from raw troff, so it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I hope this ramble has been of some use. If you want to share more of what your needs are, we can certainly discuss it. |
Much of what J65nko write is true: both troff and TeX are geared primarily for paper output of whatever size. That can be proposals, reports or books -- that does not really matter -- but they are not at their best for other formats.
That said, how an abstract (for example) appears is controlled through the macros, and those are pretty easy to edit. That part is transparent to the user. You just have to designate it as an abstract. As an aside, when people ask me what I do for a living, I often say that "I kill trees." Clearly output to paper is what matters to me. |
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Now. For me... that's progress!!!
I was always a kind little kid. Hyper-sensitive, too.
After my feelings got hurt so bad -- I couldn't handle the emotional pain, so I turned to being an anger-monger (later, when I grew up more). Because, later, my feeling still hurt. And, I had to act as if I was real tough... because "a real man" would never have hurt feelings!!!
After getting sober and taking the Steps -- it wasn't hard to be kind -- most of the time. But, I still had some spells that would resurface from time to time. I realized those were resurfacing because I would get away from the daily growth Steps... 10 through 12.
Now, I know what the problem is BEFORE I get disturbed... It's always the same... I haven't been doing the daily stuff that keeps me straightened out. So I try. And, try and try. And, sometimes, for a while I can consistently do it. But, it takes help.
This is why I have a sponsor. I need an authority figure in my life that I will consider what they say -- more than what I say. Someone that can see through me and see when I'm moving into bs territory. Someone I can check in with and get weighed by. And, someone to tell me what's really going on in my life instead of what I think is going on in my life.
For me, this is using spiritual principles and it works for me.
I can lie to myself and lie to God... and think that I"m getting away with it. But, I know ahead of time -- that I can't like to my sponsor and get away with it. It isn't because he's so smart. It's because I'm trusting God to work through him. Perfect protection in perfect vulnerability.


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Review: Panama Red 108 Overproof Rum
Posted by Arctic Wolf on June 5, 2011
Panama Red 108 is a Panamanian rum brought to you by PANAMONTE BRANDS. The rum is handcrafted by the creator of Zafra Master Reserve, Master Blender, Francisco "Don Pancho" Fernandez. It is produced from the sugar cane that grew in Las Cabras de Pese, the same region where the Distillery is located. Although the rum is stated as overproof, Don Pancho has assured me that the rum will feel much smoother in the mouth than a typical overproof rum. It has as its base, a 5 year molasses based rum which is aged in used Bourbon casks at the distillery warehouse in Pese.
There is a bit of a romantic story behind the name of this Rum and it was related to me via email by the Mr. Carlos E. Esquivel G., the Executive Director of PILSA (A Rum distillery and production company, specializing in Aged Rums, and Rum related products in Panama and South America). With his permission, I have reproduced the story here on my website and you may access it through a link in the review.
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Cozy up in soft and flirty style with the Coastie Cardi from Rip Curl! Featuring a removable waist tie, custom wooden buttons, a longer length and a snuggly hood, it makes being away from the waves more bearable - maybe even fun.
- 100% Cotton fabric
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- Imported
- Metal logo badge at bottom hem
- Model is 5'6" and measures 32-25-32
- Model shown is wearing size XS
- Removable waist tie
- Ribbed placket, cuffs & waist
- Rip Curl knit cardigan with hood
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You'll never have to shout to be heard with the SSG 61-Watt Megaphone. Housed in a high-impact PVC shell, this megaphone has a trigger-controlled mike, adjustable volume control, and siren button. Use on a table-top or go mobile with the adjustable shoulder harness. With the 1000-foot range, you can be heard over 3 football fields away. Operates on 6 "C" batteries (not included).
- High impact PVC construction
- 1000-foot range
- Activated by trigger control
- Built-in mike at rear of unit
- Adjustable volume control
- Siren button
- 10 watts of power
- Operates on 6 C-size batteries, batteries not included
- 90-day manufacturer's warranty


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The average distance from Chase Field to Prescott is only about 100 or so miles, but on May 16th it seemed closer to a million. That's because for Brad Ziegler, his lovely wife Kristen and myself, we could barely contain our collective anticipation as we made our commute north for the organization's newest and most moving "Diamonds Back" Field Building dedication to date.
Brad Ziegler Field, with support from APS, local businesses and a donation from our reliever himself, was the D-backs' 34th such field dedication since the program's inception in 2000. That
means 34 tracts of land throughout our state with revamped baseball amenities like lights, scoreboards, fencing, irrigation, grass and dirt -- all earmarked to give youth ballplayers a beautiful
new field to play on. But unlike the previous 33 dedications, this was no ordinary field.
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