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A quick search on Planet Gnome begs to differ with you:
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It is sad. No matter where the attacks are coming from. The difference is, the attacks you are referring to are from unknown people. We can't do much about that. The attacks against GNOME I'm referring to are right here in this thread and so I'm pointing those out in the hope that perhaps those posters will in future make more constructive comments, rather than flaming.
Nope you are not the only one. To all your valid points I should also add that if linux is to gain % in marketshare it should have one desktop... For normal people OS is the GUI they see not the kernel that works under the gui.
Actually switching to one toolkit would be a great thing... since Qt can imitate the GNOME HIG and style it would be a great choice. It also has developer base and is in better shape then gtk+ development which is a bit lacking in manpower ...
All those "this is gtk+ app so it doesn't look good in kde" or "this is qt app so it sucks in gnome was a major of linux and to certain degree it still is .. It goes deeper then just theme so pointing users to use qtcurve or whatever theme that is made for both toolkits does not cut it. OK cancel vx Cancel OK ... filepickers print dialogs etc. etc.
and it goes even deeper with people who absolutely refuse to use qt aps in gnome or qt apps in kde ... Thanks to that we not only have 2 desktop environments but also numerous fragmentation in third party apps like music players, mediaplayers and so on... because you know whenever there is a good qt or gtk+ app someone has to do a clone using the other toolkit ...
Basing both kde ang gnome on the same toolkit and technology would be a blessing for linux, though yeah I know it's not going to happen.
go, tell that the gnomers. They splitt off. They do everything they can to stay incompatible and screw over KDE.
Go tell gnome.
I know I'm feeding the troll here... but how exactly do the GNOME devs "do everything they can to stay incompatible and screw over KDE" exactly?
All I see is that they are pursuing one vision of a desktop and KDE is pursuing another. It's not deliberate sabotage, and both desktops follow the freedesktop.org standards so if anything they are working towards being more compatible.
But yeah, you just sit there act like a child, instead of you know, making constructive points like an adult.


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Art McDonald
Physique générale, particules subatomiques, systeme optique, biophysique, physique théorique
Director of the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory. Discovered that neutrinos have mass and that they can change from one type of neutrino to another. "The research that we are doing is fascinating for the fact that it really bridges the entire universe. We are attempting to understand the most microscopic laws of physics that describe fundamental particles. And, in so doing, we try to understand the most detailed things about the universe, how it was created and evolved, in short the origins of the universe." |
Some academics quietly wind down their careers as they near retirement. Not Arthur McDonald.
Particle astrophysics experiments have been the motivation for his research for many years, and he's not about to leave the exciting work now. In 1984 McDonald became part of an ambitious physics experiment that would hopefully take place in Canada. The project was counterintuitive: they would measure mysterious solar particles from the bottom of a mine.
In 1989, McDonald became the Director of the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory, or SNO as it is more commonly known. The detector was built 2 km underground in INCO's Creighton mine near Sudbury, and it was completed in 1999 after a decade of construction and financing. After only a few years, it helped particle astrophysicists prove that their model of the Sun was correct. It also showed that neutrinos do have mass, albeit a very, very, tiny one. The discovery changed the laws of physics at a fundamental level.
For McDonald the project harkened back to his graduate research and lessons learned from the Nobel-prize winning physicist William Fowler at Caltech. At that time, researchers in Fowler's lab were studying the nuclear reactions that power the Sun. However, they were also using the nucleus of the atom to test the laws of physics. "The combination of those two influences, attempting to understand the physics of the sun and other stars and understanding the laws of physics in a detailed way, was extremely powerful," said McDonald. "Those two interests came together very well in the SNO project and it was at Caltech that I really got the seeds of the interest in the sun and fundamental particle physics."
The SNO project was also an incredible chance for Canadian scientists to work with colleagues worldwide. According to McDonald there were about 130 scientists from around the world working on the project at any one time. Overall, he said there have been over 270 different authors on SNO-related papers. "This indicates that we have educated a lot of individuals," said McDonald. "Over a hundred graduate degrees are associated with this project. There is a tremendous team with a wide variety of talents that have contributed to the success of the project; even the people who sweep the floor and keep the facility ultra-clean contribute in a very large way."
Now, with SNO's crucial measurements solving what had been called the "Solar Neutrino Problem", the original experiment has been completed. The last measurement was taken in November 2006, and the last of the heavy water will be returned to the Atomic Energy of Canada Limited by the end of 2007. But that doesn't mean the lab is being mothballed.
McDonald is working with other colleagues who are leading the development of a new international underground laboratory near the SNO experiment. The new project, called SNOLAB, is the lowest radioactivity laboratory in the world, with an experimental area three times larger than SNO. Experiments in the new SNOLAB will try to answer further fundamental physics questions, such as: What is the origin of all the matter in our Universe? And, what are the dark matter particles that make up nearly a quarter of the Universe's mass?
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Astros take confidence into opener vs. Blue Jays
After winning series vs. A's, Houston to start Buchanan vs. Hutchison
Jake Buchanan will take the mound against the Blue Jays on Thursday at Minute Maid Park as the Astros attempt to build off their series victory over the American League-leading A's earlier this week.
The 24-year-old is starting in place of Jarred Cosart, who was traded to the Marlins in a six-player deal on Thursday. It will be the right-hander's second career big league start.
Blue Jays righty Drew Hutchison, meanwhile, will carry solid road results into his first career start against the Astros.
Hutchison's home-road splits have been stark so far through 21 starts. He's struggled at home (2-5, 7.71 ERA) in eight outings, but away from Rogers Centre, he is 5-4 with a 2.95 ERA.
The 23-year-old is 3-6 with a 5.10 ERA in his last 10 starts, but he is coming off a win against the Yankees on Saturday, during which he allowed two runs on five hits while striking out seven over 6 2/3 innings. He entered the game 1-5 with a 6.97 ERA over his previous six starts, but he figured things out in the Bronx and helped the Blue Jays snap a 17-game losing streak at Yankee Stadium.
Hutchison is trying to put his recent struggles behind him.
"Things that have happened previously, there's nothing you can do about them once they happen," Hutchison said. "It's a fresh game, go out there and do everything you can do to give your team a chance to win."
Astros: Feldman knows Deadline drama all too well
Elder statesman Scott Feldman, who was traded about a month before the non-waiver Trade Deadline last year, understands it can be nerve-racking for some of his teammates whose names have come up in trade rumors. But, he pointed out, hearing that teams may want you is not such a bad thing.
"Honestly, it's a good thing if your team has a bad record and your name's out there. It means you're pitching well and a good team wants you. It's weird getting traded in the middle of the season." Feldman said. "You've got your stuff set up for the year and you have to move that, show up at a new place."
Any time a player changes teams, Feldman acknowledged, it's difficult.
"For me, I was with the Rangers my whole career," he said. "Then I was a free agent and signed with the Cubs. To me, that was more weird than getting traded. It was the first time being in a different organization. I was so used to one thing for 10 years."
Blue Jays: Lawrie could see rehab action this weekend
Brett Lawrie is feeling better, and manager John Gibbons is cautiously optimistic that his third baseman will begin playing rehab games this weekend.
"Lawrie felt really good," Gibbons said. "He could maybe start rehabbing this week, or something. Maybe … he's starting to feel pretty good. The other two, the trainers haven't said anything on that."
Lawrie took batting practice, fielded ground balls and threw across the diamond Wednesday. He last played on June 22 and has been on the disabled list since breaking his right index finger that day.
Gibbons speculated last week that Lawrie would likely return after Edwin Encarnacion (strained right quad) and Adam Lind (fractured right foot). But Encarnacion suffered a setback Friday and Lind is still feeling some discomfort while running.
Worth noting
• Chris Carter, who has helped pace the Astros' offense through July, was a late scratch Wednesday with a stomach bug. The club is hopeful he'll be able to resume play Thursday.
• Jose Altuve is on a historic hitting pace for Houston, and if he keeps this up, he will shatter Craig Biggio's record of 210 hits, set in 1998. No other Astros player has recorded 200 or more hits in a single season.
No Astros player has ever won a batting title, but Altuve is maintaining a pace there, too. Entering Wednesday's action, he was leading the AL with a .343 average, ahead of Robinson Cano (.327) and Victor Martinez (.325). Altuve has hit safely in 12 straight games and has 151 hits on the year.
Jamie Ross is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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California Fish and Game Commission votes to add gray wolf to state endangered list
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The California Fish and Game Commission has voted to move forward with listing the gray wolf as an endangered species under California law.
The vote took place at the regularly scheduled commission meeting in Fortuna on June 4. Commissioners Richard Rogers, Jack Baylis and Michael Sutton voted for listing, while Commissioner Jacque Hostler-Carmesin voted no. Commissioner Jim Kellogg was not present.
"No land animal is more iconic in the American West than the gray wolf," said Sutton, who is also president of the commission. "Wolves deserve our protection as they begin to disperse from Oregon to their historic range in California."
The new regulatory language will take several months to complete and approve. However, the recent decision provides permanent protection for the gray wolf, and immediate protection under the California Endangered Species Act. That protection will remain in place throughout the required regulatory process.
The gray wolf is already federally listed as an endangered species and is therefore protected by the federal Endangered Species Act in California. The federal Endangered Species Act makes it unlawful to take any listed wildlife unless permitted by regulation. The term "take" means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, collect or attempt to engage in any such conduct. The protection provided under federal law overlaps, but does not supersede, protection provided by listing under California law.
At this time, there are no gray wolves known to be in California. A male wolf known as OR7 that originated in northeastern Oregon has crossed the Oregon/California state line several times since December 2011. At this time, OR7 is in southwestern Oregon, where he has found a mate. On Monday, June 3, biologists from the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife captured photographs of two wolf pups in the vicinity.
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Rox face Brewers' top prospect to settle series
Brewers starter Wily Peralta may have only six career big league appearances, but the right-hander already has an extensive history against the Rockies.
Peralta's potential promotion to the Majors was derailed in 2011 due in large part to a disastrous Cactus League start against Colorado in which he allowed five runs on five hits and two walks while recording just one out. Then, when Peralta finally made his Major League debut last April, it came in a relief appearance against -- of all teams -- the Rockies.
That second outing wasn't ideal either, as the Brewers' top prospect conceded one run on three hits in just one inning. Peralta is hoping the third time is a charm when he takes the hill opposite Juan Nicasio and the Rockies in the series rubber match on Wednesday night at Miller Park.
Following his April 22 debut, Peralta returned to the Minors before coming back and making five solid September starts. The righty went 2-1 with a 2.25 ERA while pitching into the sixth inning four times, including tossing eight scoreless, two-hit innings against the Mets on Sept. 16.
"Peralta has a huge upside," manager Ron Roenicke said earlier this spring. "If he pitches like he did a few of those games last year, he's got a huge upside."
As for Nicasio, the Rockies are hoping to see some of his upside this season as well.
The 26-year-old has shown flashes of his potential in two injury-shortened years with the Rockies. However, as a rookie in 2011, Nicasio suffered a broken neck after being hit in the face with a line drive and last year he suffered a knee injury while attempting to field a hard-hit ball up the middle.
Nicasio is healthy and returns to the mound Wednesday with a new weapon in his arsenal. The righty spent the offseason focusing on further developing his changeup to complement his 97-mph fastball. In his final test run this spring, Nicasio came away from a seven-inning Minor League outing pleased with his revamped changeup.
"I threw 105 pitches, and I threw 21 changeups and 21 sliders. I use a lot of my changeup now," said Nicasio, who barely used the pitch prior to last year's season-ending injury. "I want to work it into the games a lot more this year."
While Peralta looks to live up to his top-prospect billing in his first full year in the Brewers' rotation, Nicasio is just hoping to show the Rockies what he is capable of given an injury-free campaign.
"I want to pitch the whole season, not get hurt anymore," Nicasio said. "My body, my shoulder, my elbow -- everything is ready."
Rockies: Weiss trying to keep Pacheco involved
There isn't much Jordan Pacheco can't do for the Rockies. The only problem for manager Walt Weiss is finding a way to get the utility man his fair share of at-bats.
Pacheco led all National League rookies last year with a .309 average and hit .362 this spring. However, with a fully healthy lineup right now, there doesn't seem to be a place for Pacheco to get everyday at-bats.
The 27-year-old filled in at third base for an injured Chris Nelson last season and will spell Todd Helton at first base this year while also making occasional appearances behind the plate. Pacheco will also likely be called on to play the outfield from time to time and pinch-hit when necessary.
"My role is definitely a little bit different this year," Pacheco said. "I just want to help this ballclub out, whenever I get an at-bat, whether it's a situational at-bat or just getting on base."
Pacheco didn't come off the bench in either of the Rockies' first two games, but Weiss is hoping it's only a matter of time until he finds a way to best utilize Pacheco's bat.
"He's got a tough job," Weiss said. "Being that guy who can do everything, you're asked to do some difficult things. We're trying to create options for him. He's such a good hitter, we've got to find ways to get him in the box."
Brewers: Aoki focusing on leadoff job, not long ball
Despite logging the Brewers' first home run of the season on Opening Day, center fielder Norichika Aoki isn't going to abandon his usual hitting approach anytime soon.
Aoki, who hit .288 with 10 home runs in his first season in the Majors last year, was a three-time batting champion in Japan. Though he hit as many as 20 homers in a season in Japan and reported to Spring Training with some extra bulk this year, Aoki isn't about to start swinging for the fences.
"I can't really say," Aoki said when asked if he thought he'd surpass the 10-homer plateau this season. "I'd like to, but my primary focus is getting on base, because our real home run hitters are the guys behind me."
Worth noting
• Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez have both homered in each of the first two games of the series. Tulowitzki is hitting .338 with five career homers at Miller Park, while Gonzalez is a lifetime .333 hitter with four homers at the Brewers' home ballpark.
• Since the start of the 2010 season, the Rockies are 9-4 against the Brewers at home, but just 5-8 at Miller Park.
Paul Casella is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @paul_casella. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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I made this for the first time yesterday. Turned out very good. I will need to experiment with the sauce to get it just right. The one thing I don't know how to overcome is that the crust was quite tough, Any Suggestion
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Janet's Place Bed & Breakfast
A vintage bed and breakfast in Evanston's lakefront district, Janet's Place is located in a tranquil neighborhood close to shops, restaurants and public transportation. Northwestern University, beaches and Evanston's city center are just blocks away.
Volo Bog State Natural Area
Just 45 minutes northwest of Chicago is a state natural area featuring the state's only quaking bog with an open water center. Volo Bog State Natural Area was created when the melting of glaciers pushed deep into the ground 12,000 years ago.
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This public golf facility, designed by Robert Trent Jones, Jr., is one of the most challenging courses in the Chicago area. This 18-hole, par 72 c golf course is nestled on 241 acres of beautiful forest, marsh and prairie. This is the first public course in the United States to achieve Audubon Signature Sanctuary certification. Banquet facilities are available to accommodate a wide range of group sizes from small private outings to a full-course tournament. Golfers can spot bluebirds while playing one of the hottest courses in the Chicago area. Driving Range also available.
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Mickey Finn's Brewery is a landmark casual social gathering place famous for handcrafted beer. Since opening in 1993 as Lake County's first brewpub, Mickey Finn's has won a trophy case full of national and international awards for their beer. The menu offers a variety of items including burgers, pizza, fish n' chips, and buffalo wings. Also enjoy seasonal outdoor dining, a huge banquet facility, carry-out food and beer, live entertainment on weekends and a diverse clientele.
The Actors Gymnasium
Since 1995, The Actors Gymnasium has been guided by the vision of a revitalized American theatre: one with performances as thrilling as a rock concert, and as mesmerizing as the circus. To that end, we have dedicated ourselves to the education and development of multi-skilled, physical-theatre artists.
La Quinta Inn & Suites - Gurnee
La Quinta Inn strives to make your visit comfortable with outstanding accommodations and excellent guest service. This hotel offers a wide array of amenities, including indoor pool and whirlpool, lobby continental breakfast, and clean, comfortable rooms. Just a short mile away from Six Flags Amusement Park, walk to a variety of great restaurants, head to nearby Gurnee Mills Mall and visit Libertyville Sports Center for golf and indoor activities.
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Trampolines on steriods!! This giant warehouse is filled with commercial grade trampolines that are connected together. Play trampoline basketball, trampoline dodgeball and land in a huge foam pit. Kids of all ages love the fun and completely forget that they are getting exercise. Check out this exciting concept online for more pictures and videos.
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Chicago Botanic Garden Loop
The Chicago Botanic Garden Loop offers a moderate level of difficulty to those wanting to experience quiet beauty in far north Cook County. The 385-acre garden is home to 2.4 million plants and is one of the most visited gardens in the country. Hiking will take you 4.5 hours and with almost 7 miles of trails, mostly paved you will get to experience both the lagoons and the Botanic Garden.
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Together, adults and children can explore cool things about how plants connect to science, art, history, and culture. Each program includes a variety of hands-on activities and projects, as well as opportunities to bring the Garden home. Programs run from November through April on Saturdays.
Northwestern University Ryan Field
Northwestern University Big 10 Football stadium located in Evanston.
McHenry Riverwalk
The McHenry Riverwalk connects the city's shopping, dining and entertainment districts with the Fox River.
Elmhurst Historical Museum
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - This prize-winning museum features changing interpretive exhibits on Elmhurst history as well as national touring exhibits. Programs for children, families and adults throughout the year. The Elmhurst Historical Museum is located in a historically significant structure known as the Glos Mansion, which is the former home of Elmhurst's first village president, Henry L. Glos, and his wife, Lucy.
Glunz Family Wine & Cellars - Long Grove
Enjoy four generations of wine making at Lake County's first winery. Our award-winning wines are available for tasting and to purchase by the bottle or discounted cases. Shop unique gifts and accessories for wine lovers at every level.
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Downtown Arlington Heights Shopping & Entertainment District
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Westin Chicago Northwest
On O'Hare perimeter hotel, located just 12 miles from O'Hare International Airport (ORD) and 27 miles from downtown Chicago. Newly renovated in 2007, our four-star, four-diamond hotel is situated in the Chancellory Business Park and three miles from the Schaumburg/Woodfield business district, convenient to such companies as Arthur J. Gallagher, Sun Microsystems, Hitachi, and NEC Display Solutions. We offer special amenities designed to exceed all of your expectations - from the Heavenly Bed® with an oasis of plush comfort to the Heavenly Shower® with dual showerheads and more elbow room. Renew your commitment to fitness at the WestinWORKOUT® Gym. The Westin Kids Club® features fun activities, essential amenities, and helpful services for children under 13. Enjoy delicious dining at Don Shula's Steakhouse, considered one of the top steakhouses in the U.S. Renew, refresh, and revive at The Westin Chicago Northwest.
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Welcome to Lynfred Winery Wheeling, a satellite location for Illinois' oldest and largest, continually-operating winery. Since 1979, Lynfred Winery has been offering guests with great wine, food and lodging. We offer wine tastings, flights, and bottles every day of the week. We have received numerous awards for our wine, and we have countless events that go on throughout the year at the winery. We also have a variety of gift and gourmet food items.
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Experience refined style where stunning modern design and architecture blend with impeccable service. Our 500 spacious rooms and suites offer imaginative & colorful décor. The 148,000 square feet of modern meeting space is perfect for all events.
Cuneo Mansion and Gardens
The opulent Cuneo Museum and Gardens, located on 75 acres and dotted with formal gardens and statuary was the perfect setting for the wedding scenes in "My Best Friend's Wedding." The gazebo where the best friends were caught kissing was built specifically for the film, but Cuneo's owners liked it so much they decided to keep it permanently. Take a guided tour through the historic Mediterranean-style Cuneo mansion to see Renaissance artworks and lavish European furnishings.
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Fairfield Inn & Suites by Marriott Chicago - Lombard
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Spacious rooms & suites, complimentary deluxe continental breakfast, high speed wireless internet, coffeemakers, hair dryers, ironing boards, swimming pool, hot tub,exercise room, and more. Adjacent meeting space is available.
Hilton Chicago Indian Lakes Resort
308 newly renovated rooms and suites. Full-resort amenities: 27-hole championship golf course, 50,000 sq ft. of indoor and outdoor meeting/banquet space, indoor/outdoor pools, Precor Fitness Center, Spa Vargas, restaurants, lounges and much more.
Didier Farms
Didier Farms offers a variety of vegetables and flowers in our greenhouse this spring, and our farmers market in summer. U-pick opportunities are plentiful throughout the summer, weather permitting. During our Pumpkinfest, the last week of September and all of October, we offer hayrides, pony rides, and an exotic zoo, in beautiful Lake County.
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Cooper's Hawk Winery and Restaurant
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Seventy-mile per hour riseballs, 240-foot frozen ropes, soft hands and lightning-quick reactions all wound into seven feverish innings of gritty, gutsy, fast-paced action. Welcome to hard-hittin', fast-pitchin', affordable family fun. Welcome to National Pro Fastpitch! Come out and chear on the teams!
Northwestern University Spectator Sports
The Northwestern Wildcats offer some of the best Division 1 college sports action in the Midwest, featuring 19 teams and competing in the Big Ten Conference.
Bonnie Brook Golf Course & Banquet Facility
Bonnie Brook is one of the most popular public courses in Lake County, boasting a meticulously manicured 18-hole course with rolling, wooded terrain. Its natural, picturesque landscape offers golfers the ability to enjoy tree-lined fairways, spacious greens, small lakes and the beauty of the north branch of the Waukegan River, which flows gently throughout the course. With a course length of 6,701 yards, Bonnie Brook offers championship golfers a solid test while being friendly and forgiving to the high handicappers. The clubhouse features a Indoor Golf and Learning Center which houses a P3Proswing Simulator. The simulator and its software helps analyze a player's swing and provides guidance how to improve their game and is available on an appointment basis only.
The Lotus Suites
This affordable, extended stay hotel is situated on a 200 acre Championship Golf Estate. An 80-room all-suite hotel, some with full kitchens and fireplaces, offering great amenities including in-room microwaves, mini refrigerators, cable television with HBO, Nintendo games and coffee maker. Relax in the heated indoor pool or Jacuzzi, work out in the fitness area, play a game of tennis or practice on the driving range and wake up to a complimentary full hot breakfast buffet.
York Theatre
Enjoy first run films in a renovated 1924 Spanish-style movie theater with five auditoriums all equipped with Dolby digital sound. Baby Barton Pipe Organ is played on Friday and Saturday nights.
Aloha Falls Miniature Golf & Games
Seasonal facility offering outdoor miniature golf, a retro arcade, cafe and bar from spring to fall. Miniature Golf offers two Hawaiian-themed courses that offer a relaxing easy round of mini-golf on the Beach Course or an adventurous and difficult round on the Waterfall Course. Retro Arcade has over 100 of the favorite console games from the 80's and 90's with 10 screens devoted to classic console games and two 90" projection screens with modern consoles. Cafe & Bar features a few unique options including the Volcano Dog, and a Chocolate Avalanche ice cream float. Craft beers and sangria also available for the big kids!
Ram Restaurant & Brewery
We offer a cozy setting for dining, an impressive bar, as well as our own selection of delicious micro-brews made on-site. Our restaurant features a huge variety of menu choices. Banquet rooms available.
Marriott Theatre in Lincolnshire
See the "The Best of Broadway" at the Marriott Theatre featuring 5 great musicals every year. The intimate arena theatre is designed so everyone has the best seat in the house. The theatre earns lavish praise from critics, receiving a record 370 Joseph Jefferson Award nominations - Chicago's highest theatrical honor for artistic achievement. Marriott's Theatre for Young Audiences presents numerous original works as well as classic fairy tales. Through these works, children experience the joy and magic that is "live" theatre.
Devonshire Aquatic Center
The Aquatic Center features a zero depth pool with play equipment, a water play structure, drop slide and diving board. You'll also find lockers/showers and a concession stand.
Fox River Bike Trail
Dawn until dusk, a 36 m. trail is the forefront of outdoor recreation passing through Elgin, St. Charles, Geneva, Batavia and Aurora. It winds along the banks of the Fox River through miles of prairie grass, overshadowing trees and blooming flowers.
Dick's Sporting Goods - Schaumburg
Dick's Sporting Goods leads more athletes to victory by providing the edge they need to perform at their peak. They offer a deep assortment of sporting goods and apparel for baseball, football, hunting, golf, fishing and more.
Lincolnshire's place for dining, shopping, entertainment and work. Enjoy unique boutiques, the 20-theatre Regal Cinema and IMAX, glow-in-the-dark miniature golf, ceramic painting, outdoor summer concerts and a variety of restaurants.
Coral Cove Water Park
Dive into this beach-themed water park with 2 tall tube slides, drop-slide, diving well, walk-in swimming pool, splash 'n spray playground, sand play area and café. Locker rooms, showers & family restrooms. Available for group rentals for 50-1500 people.
CITY:Carol Stream
Sep 12
Tempel Lipizzan's 2015 Performances
Witness artistry and history come to life as the Tempel Lipizzan stallions enchant audiences with their power, intelligence and grace. From the play of newborn foals to the leaps of athletic stallions, the Tempel Lipizzans are an experience for the entire family. This unique performance set to music has become a Lake County favorite. Save and buy tickets in advance. Come early and enjoy a lunch or dinner in the cafe. Please visit the website for performance schedule.
Chain O' Lakes State Park
Located in the northeastern corner of Illinois in both McHenry and Lake counties, the Chain O'Lakes State Park is 60 miles northwest of Chicago. With nearly 6,500 acres of water and 488 miles of shoreline on the Chain, Chain O'Lakes State Park is the heart of a water wonderland. And, with six miles of relatively easy hiking and biking trails to navigate the scenery, Chain O' Lakes State Park has become a treasure to behold.
CITY:Spring Grove
The Popcorn Factory
For more than 30 years, The Popcorn Factory has been the "popcorn authority" with our impressive collection of crowd-pleasing gifts and great-tasting snacks. Our factory store in Lake Forest is delighting customers with delicious, premium popcorn, cookies, candies, nuts and snacks of all kinds, plus all your Popcorn Factory favorite items! A trip to The Popcorn Factory Store is sure to be an adventure every time!
CITY:Lake Forest
Westfield Shoppingtown Old Orchard
Enjoy a 5 star shopping experience at one of the most beautiful shopping destination in the Chicago area.
The Shanty
The Shanty located in Wadsworth is a place that once discovered, you always go back. With its comfortable rustic atmosphere and friendly service, this truly is the place where quality food meets a fair price. With a great staff that makes patrons feel right at home, it may be the only restaurant in the area where the customers run the show.
Lucky Strike Lanes & Lounge - Lombard
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Lucky Strike Lanes is America's premier bowling lounge. The cozy artistic atmosphere features 18 lanes of state-of-the-art bowling, customizable multi-screen video system, exclusive VIP & event room facilities, and unforgettable cuisine!
Dave & Buster's
There's no place quite like it! From hand-crafted tables and world class pocket billiards to the vast array of games in the Million Dollar Midway, D&B will provide one of the most unique entertainment outings you'll ever experience.
Fish Lake Beach Campground
This campground has been family owned and operated since 1939. This is a great place to spend some quality family time or just to get away for some fishing, swimming and picnicking. All of the campsites have water, electricity, and fire rings. Campers can use the swimming pool, kiddie pool, hot tub, laundry facilities, rent a row or paddle boat, watch a movie Friday and Saturday nights at the outdoor movie theatre or play a round of mini golf. There are also family activities including Bingo, ceramics, crafts, pool games and story time. The campground also has 2 basketball courts, a baseball field, playground and a teen recreational center with video games. Come for a day, a week, a month or stay all season.
Shakespeare Garden
A gift of the Garden Club of Evanston in 1920, the Shakespeare Garden, tucked away on the Northwestern University Campus, boasts 29 varieties of flowers.
Northwestern University Walking Tours
Founded in 1851, Northwestern University is a renowned educational institution rich in history and architecture. More than 150 historically significant and interesting sites on campus are featured in various 30-minute walking tours.
Elawa Farm
Built in 1917 for A. Watson Armour, Elawa Farm is a stunning example of estate farm architecture. Come and learn about Historic Elawa Farm and what it looked like way back when and what is happening today at the farm. This farm is a 16-acre parcel of land, including the original farm complex buildings that were part of an early 20th century gentleman's farm and has a unique combination of natural setting, designed landscapes and buildings of architectural and historic significance.
CITY:Lake Forest
North Point Marina
Enjoy the beautiful blue of Lake Michigan aboard one of over one hundred charter fishing boats on the Lake County harbors of Waukegan and North Point. You will find the Coho running in the late spring, Lake Trout biting in mid-summer, and the Chinook come home to spawn in late summer and early fall. Whatever time of the year you go, you'll find expert charter fishing captains ready to make your time on the water a great one. For information on hotel information, please contact the Visit Lake County at 847-662-2700.
CITY:Winthrop Harbor
Great Lakes Naval Museum
As an official Navy Museum, the Great Lakes Naval Museum's mission is to tell the story of the United States Navy, with particular emphasis on the Navy's only "boot camp" at the Naval Station Great Lakes.
CITY:Great Lakes
Beverly Lake Forest Preserve
Beverly Lake Forest Preserve Trail is perfect for hiking and biking. The five mile out and back trail located near Dundee that features a lake and is rated as moderate. The trail offers a number of activity options and is accessible year-round. Dogs are also able to use this trail but must be kept on leash.
CITY:Hoffman Estates
My Kind of Town Tours & Events
This company offers group cultural and educational tours. Reservations are required.
CITY:Highland Park
Topgolf Chicago
TopGolf is an interactive high-tech golfing experience like no other. With state-of-the-art equipment, restaurant, and bars, they are able to take care of your every recreation, social, and event need.
CITY:Wood Dale
Lake Arlington
Sail boating, Memorial Day through Labor Day, and weekends in September and October. Includes boat rentals (sailboat and paddleboat), 2 mile bike/walk path, picnic area, and playground.
CITY:Arlington Heights
11 - 12
24th Annual Civil War Days
Make plans to attend Northern Illinois' largest Civil War reenactment. The Lake County Discovery Museum is proud to present the 23rd annual Civil War Days encampment. The event features infantry, cavalry and artillery re-enactors, as well as musicians, sutlers, medical personnel and civilians. A large-scale battle reenactment, ongoing drills, kids' activities, and Civil War era shopping are available both days.
James Lumber Center for the Performing Arts at the College of Lake County
Presents the finest entertainers in the industry. Bold expressions of music, theatre, dance and variety acts. Featuring professional touring concerts as well as college music, theatre and dance presentations.
Ram Restaurant and Brewhouse
Hampton Inn & Suites Addison
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - This comfortable Hampton Inn & Suites is conveniently situated near the Marcus 16 Cinema IMAX, Dave & Busters, Famous Dave's and Home Run Inn pizza. We are 18 miles west of downtown Chicago and 10 miles from O'Hare, located off I-355 at Lake Street.
Elmhurst Art Museum
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - The museum's award-winning structure contains a dramatic glass entrance gallery, three museum galleries, an educational pavilion, and the Ludwig Mies van der Rohe-designed McCormick house.
Metropolis Performing Arts Center
More than 40 productions and 360 performances each year ranging from musical theatre, plays, live music, dance, family shows, The Second City Comedy and professional regional children's theatre.
CITY:Arlington Heights
Genesee Theatre
Experience the grandeur of world-class artists and Broadway theatricals in the beautifully restored Genesee Theatre. After undergoing a $23 million renovation, The Genesee Theatre is now home to world-class performances including Broadway shows, musical acts, comedians and more. In addition to the shows, this venue is a historic hot-spot for weddings, corporate functions, holiday parties, and a variety of special events. There are also a number of completely renovated auxiliary rooms connected to the main auditorium that are perfect for receptions, birthdays, high school reunions, corporate dinners, cocktail parties, or any other festive gathering, meeting, or presentation. Visit the website for a list of upcoming shows.
Light Opera Works
Light Opera Works presents a season of professional musical theater with a full orchestra at Cahn Auditorium.
The Arboretum of South Barrington
The Arboretum is South Barrington's newest and most exciting place to shop, dine and play. The open-air center is named for the lush treescapes and gardens of its landscape, and for the large tree farm that formerly stood on the site. An upscale mix of shops, restaurants and entertainment venues including iPic Theaters, the ultimate cinema experience and a new way to go to the movies; L.L.Bean's first Midwest outdoor gear and apparel store and the incomparable Pinstripes Bowling/Bocce/Bistro.
CITY:South Barrington
Features a distinctive entertainment and dining venue. Celebrate "sophisticated fun" in our warm and inviting 45,000 square-foot indoor/outdoor facility complete with 20 bowling lanes and 10 bocce courts. Exceptional Italian-American bistro with wine cellar, outdoor patio, fireplace, and beautifully appointed event and party rooms that can accommodate groups from 20-600.
Citadel Theatre
Citadel Theatre is dedicated to producing inspiring theatre by bringing together gifted professionals from all the theatrical disciplines to create exciting, compelling work of the highest caliber.
CITY:Lake Forest
Chicago Athenaeum International Sculpture Park
Sculpture from around the world is on display from sunrise to sunset at this park located in Schaumburg's Robert O. Atcher Municipal Center.
Chicago Slaughter
The Chicago Slaughter is a member of the Indoor Football League, which has teams in over 25 cities nationwide. Come see an exciting game and cheer on your team! Headed by Coach Steve "Mongo" McMichael and William "The Refrigerator" Perry, former Chicago Bears.
CITY:Hoffman Estates
Cabin Nature Center
Nature center, nature trail and dog park. Free admission, cost for some activities.
CITY:Wood Dale
Independence Grove Forest Preserve
This scenic 1,114-acre preserve offers a wide range of outdoor recreation and education opportunities centered around a 115-acre lake reclaimed from a gravel quarry. Visitors can enjoy swimming, fishing and boating, a Marina with boat rentals, a native garden and nearly seven miles of trails. The 19,000-square-foot Visitor Center features exhibits and a cafe. It can be rented for weddings and other private functions.
Westfield Hawthorn
Westfield Hawthorn is home to Macy's, JCPenney, Carson Pirie Scott, Sears and over 140 diverse specialty retailers including: Bare Escentuals, Banana Republic, Barnes & Noble, Disney Store, Gap, LOFT, H&M, Mario Tricoci Day Spa & Salon, Teavana, and Victoria's Secret. Ruby Tuesday and a food court offer over 20 eatery options. Sign up for the WFamily program to receive retailer discounts and invitations to free monthly fun days.
CITY:Vernon Hills
The Grove National Historic Landmark
The prairie grove, covering 123 acres of ecologically diverse prairie land, is preserved and maintained as former home of the visionary horticulturist and educator Dr. John Kennicott, who brought his family from New Orleans to settle on his land in 1836. The Grove, located in Glenview, is a National Historic Landmark and is on the National Registry of Historic Places. It offers many opportunities for educational, environmental and historical enjoyment including two historic homes, the Kennicott House and the Redfield Estate; the Grove Interpretive Center, a Native American Village, a Log Cabin, a Schoolhouse, a Wetlands Greenhouse and numerous interpretive trails.
Bad Teacher - Lincoln Middle School
Dumped by her sugar daddy, a foul-mouthed junior high school teacher pursues one of her new well-heeled colleagues, competing for his affections against a popular teacher.
CITY:Park Ridge
Brunswick's Buffalo Grove and Tavern '45
This 56,000-square-foot upscale bowling and entertainment center, offers a comfortable and lively atmosphere to enjoy the company of good friends. 32 lanes feature upgraded bowling equipment and plush sofa seating that encourages socialization and connection. A laser tag arena and arcade with multi-player games that are good for the competitive spirit. Food & beverage service is available laneside or in the in-house restaurant, Tavern '45, featuring distinctive American pub fare, local craft beer and an outdoor patio.
CITY:Buffalo Grove
Hotel Indigo Chicago Northwest
The area's only boutique style hotel. 192 rooms, 3 suites.
Glunz Family Winery & Cellars
Enjoy four generations of wine making at Lake County's first winery. Taste award-winning wines and shop the unique selection of gifts and accessories for wine lovers.
Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World
Bass Pro Shops has established itself as the prime destination for all your outdoor needs. Gorgeous waterfalls, giant aquariums, incredible wildlife mounts and more make Bass Pro Shops a must-see attraction for families around the world. For the best selection in hunting, fishing, camping, boating, archery, footwear and family clothing be sure to visit Bass Pro sporting goods store. Check out the boat and ATV showrooms or come in for a variety of outdoor skill workshops, including fly fishing and hunting. Enjoy kids and family events held throughout the year! Make Bass Pro your one stop place to shop!
Courtyard by Marriott - Lincolnshire
This Lincolnshire hotel provides you with exactly what you need to make all travels successful - whether traveling for business or fun. Located just off I-94 in Lincolnshire's historic district and within easy reach of downtown Chicago and North Shore businesses and attractions. Guest rooms feature the new bed from Courtyard, separate sitting areas, free high-speed Internet and free in-room coffee. Start the day at the Courtyard Cafe, and enjoy a full selection from a hot buffet. Relax in our indoor pool and whirlpool. Take some time to explore the shops, restaurants and attractions in the historic city of Lincolnshire. The hotel offers 1,500 sq ft of meeting space, making it an ideal location for small meetings and catered events.
Half Day Forest Preserve
This quiet and clean preserve features a 1-mile trail for hikers, bicyclists and cross-country skiers, three beautiful picnic shelters, a 3-acre pond for fishing, open playfields and a playground. The Half Day Forest Preserve is also the starting point for the Des Plains River Trail which links this preserve to the Wright Woods Forest Preserve. The entrance and parking area are located on Route 21 (Milwaukee Avenue) at the light for Woodlands Parkway, south of Route 60 (Townline Road) and just north of Route 22 (Half Day Road).
CITY:Vernon Hills
One of the nation's leading fashion specialty retailers, offering an extensive selection of contemporary and classic shoes, clothing and accessories for the entire family.
Russell Military Museum
"Where History Comes Alive." The Russell Military Museum has over 100 military vehicles on display from WWI to present day. The museum offers a 10,000 sq ft indoor display area and 8 acres of outdoor display. Birthday party and group packages available. Guided tours can also be arranged for groups. The museum closes during the winter months and is primarily outdoors, so please check the weather or call ahead before planning your trip.
Aug 2
87th Annual Lake County Fair
Come out and enjoy 5 days of fun at the 87th Annual Lake County Fair. Events at the fair include live entertainment, food vendors, carnival rides and games, live animals, motor crossing, banana derby, demolition derby, flower show, expo hall and so much more. Please visit the website for updated information.
Maywood Park Racetrack
Just 20 minutes west of downtown Chicago, Maywood Park features live standardbred horse racing action on a ½ mile oval every Thursday and Friday night all year round. Live race post times are 7:10pm. General Parking is free.
CITY:Melrose Park
Lombard Town Centre
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - Enjoy unique shopping and dining in Historic Downtown Lombard and the beautiful Lilacia Park. Special events for all ages throughout the year. Free parking.
Fox River Trail
Located in Algonquin only 30 short miles west of downtown Chicago is where you will find the Fox River Trail. This medium level trail hugs the Fox River between Aurora and Algonquin. The trail travels along the routes of historic railroad lines and crosses six bridges along the way while it changes surfaces between concrete, asphalt and crushed stone on its way through charming towns such as Carpentersville, Elgin and West Dundee.
Prairie Center for the Arts
Featuring concerts, plays, art exhibits and dance. Wireless headsets for hearing impaired and wheelchair seating available.
Moraine Hills State Park
Moraine Hills State Park located in McHenry, Illinois, offers a tapestry of mosaic marshes, lakes, prairies, bogs, wooded hills and streams that are perfect for hikers, skiers and cyclists. The hike consists of two 8-mile loops of crushed gravel that takes approximately 2-3 hours to complete. With a rating of moderate to difficult, Moraine Hills State Park hike will surely make the top of every outdoor enthusiast's list.
The Button Room Museum
We are a vintage and antique Button Museum. Our button displays rotate on a monthly basis based upon the current theme. Visitors will be given an opportunity to view beautiful buttons on display and learn more about two incredible women who saved and preserved everything (beautiful objects and historical artifacts). The museum will host a variety of small clubs, exhibitions, workshops, and events.
Big Shot Piano Lounge & Restaurant
Big Shot is an upscale Restaurant & Piano Bar. A cozy place to meet, eat, and drink while listening and interacting with talented musicians. From the warm atmosphere to the variety of enticing menu items, this intimate spot will showcase live talent every night. The extremely friendly restaurant will invite its patrons to participate and sing along with new songs performed by talented professionals. This will definitely be a place to start and end an evening.
CITY:Arlington Heights
Chicago Wolves
Founded as part of the International Hockey League in 1994, the Chicago Wolves have enjoyed two decades of consistent success on the ice as home to some of the most prominent names in American hockey, like Chris Chelios, Troy Murray and Rob Brown.
Libertyville Sports Complex
Libertyville's Sports Complex offers something for everyone in the family. A 360° climbing mountain for rock climbing, a 40 tee automated heated driving range for year round practice and a fitness center offering group exercise classes, life fitness with cardio and hammer strength equipment, personnel trainers, a free weight room, ¼ mile running/walking track and a kids club. It also offers an open gym for indoor soccer, basketball, youth sports and training sessions. There is also 3,503 sq. ft. of meeting rooms suited for events from small family gatherings to corporate events and trade shows.
Chicago Athenaeum International Sculpture Park
This wonderful cultural resource includes the art of international and American sculptors chosen to fit the natural environment of this beautiful site.
Oak Meadows Golf & Banquet
Professional caliber 18-hole golf course. Banquets/meetings up to 400 year-round. Four distinct rooms for meetings, seminars or receptions. Accessible from O'Hare Airport and major expressways.
Crystal Lake Plaza
Over 40 specialty shops, a grocery store, furniture store, and restaurants at this center.
CITY:Crystal Lake
Walnut Greens Golf
Championship 9-hole. Perfect course for beginners and teens. Great practice course for all skill levels. Unique Killian and Nugent design.
The Lehmann Mansion
Historical landmark situated on 60 magnificent acres in the Village of Lake Villa. Beautifully restored and renovated for weddings, banquets and private parties. Three-season tent accommodates up to 350 guests.
CITY:Lake Villa


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April 24, 2014 | 23
Misleading statements and conclusions regarding drug costs and prices are again being thrown around. It started with a post right here on Scientific American Blogs with the title "The Quest: $84,000 Miracle Cure Costs Less Than $150 to Make". As the title indicates, the post is about a new hepatitis C drug called Sovaldi developed by Gilead Sciences. The $150 was the manufacturing cost, the $84,000 was the price. The medicine is considered a real breakthrough and both Gilead and its shareholders have been rewarded with handsome profits during the last quarter. Sovaldi is also regarded as a first-in-class treatment for what was always considered a highly refractory disease.
To its credit the piece was measured and did make the point that the $84,000 was less than the hospitalization and liver transplant costs incurred by hep C patients until now. But unfortunately I think the title of the post was inevitably misleading because it made it sound like every extra penny in addition to the $150 was a profit margin. It also did not put the cost of developing the drug in the context of the very significant barriers to new drug development in the form of formidable scientific challenges, patent cliffs and FDA hurdles. The fact is that drug pricing is a very complex beast and while the system is definitely in need of reform and rational thinking, comparing actual drug production costs with price is basically a futile endeavor that is far more likely to mislead than to enlighten.
Was I mistaken in thinking the title was misleading? Not really. A day later, a Facebook post by Scientific American highlighting the same post ran with the headline "Profit Margin for Hep C Drug: Approximately one gazillion percent". This headline is egregiously, woefully wrong: the quarterly profit margin for Gilead was 44% during the last quarter, but the standard profit margins for pharmaceutical companies are about 20%. The title is grossly simplistic and says nothing about the cost of discovering (not manufacturing) the drug. Scientific American has 1.7 million followers on Facebook so this title is going to mislead quite a few, as is evident from the comments section of that post.
The bigger question to ask is, why are the profit margins so apparently high for Sovaldi? And that's a question the post did not address. The fact is that this class of hepatitis C drugs constitutes a real breakthrough in the treatment of the disease, and one that has been sought for decades. Until now the standard of treatment for the disease consisted of a combination of PEGylated interferon and ribavirin, a stop-gap measure that results in debilitating flu-like symptoms acutely affecting quality of life. The new class of medications directly targets a viral protein called a polymerase that the virus uses to make new copies of itself. It hits the source and is, by any definition, a vastly superior treatment compared to what we had before. For years the pharmaceutical company has been rightly lambasted for making "me-too" drugs, medicines that are marginally better than what existed on the market and whose high sales and profits are driven mainly by aggressive marketing rather than by real benefits. In this case we actually have a novel drug that provides real benefits, a significant achievement on the part of drug research that needs to be appreciated. Let's criticize high costs, but let's not ignore the improvements in quality of life for patients that simply did not exist before. And let's not fail to congratulate the teams of researchers who actually discover these novel medicines floating in a sea of me-too drugs; it's as big a testament to human ingenuity and perseverance as anything else in scientific history.
Does the price of Sovaldi sound high? Undoubtedly. But that's when I invoke my own "Law of Large Numbers" which roughly says, "The kind of reaction you have when you see a large number seldom has much to do with what that number really means". As with many other numbers we have to put the price in context. As the original post notes, it's still lower than what the price of hospitalization and liver transplants would have been. If you have insurance then your insurance company – encouraged largely by this comparative calculation – should take care of it. Is it still not accessible to a vast number of people in poor countries? Of course; I would like that to happen as much as anything else, especially since hep C is still a disease that puts most of its burden on the poor. But it's at least accessible to a few people whose quality of life will now be much better and it's still better than nothing. That's an important step in the right direction. As happened with AIDS drugs, at some point the medication will in fact become cheap enough, especially when generics take its place a few years down the line. But none of this would have happened if pharmaceutical companies stopped making profits and had to shut down because they couldn't recover R&D costs.
The most important context we need to understand again is one that is often neglected: a comparison of the price with the high cost of drug discovery and development rather than manufacturing which is always going to be low. The bare fact of the matter is that it takes about $5 billion to develop a new drug and this has little to do with profit margins. As a hypothetical example, even if the profit margin on Sovaldi was 0% it would still cost about $50,000 dollars and you would still hear a lot of criticism. The cost of a drug is not $5 billion because there's much profit to be made – as I indicated above pharmaceutical profit margins are about 20% – but because drug discovery is so hard. One can quibble about the exact number but that would only serve to obscure the real challenges. I have written four posts on the complexities of drug discovery science and I intend to write more. The reality is that Sovaldi would not have been invented in the first place had companies like Gilead not put enough money from profits into the R&D that went into its development. And sure, some pharmaceutical CEO's make obscene bonuses and and we need to have important conversations about that, but even that part does not significantly contribute to the high costs.
One thing I find amusing is that the same critics who talk about high drug costs also seem to have some kind of an exaggerated picture of drug company scientists as infallible oracles, discovering drugs with their left hand and then sitting back in their sleek sofas, cackling and waiting for the shower of green. But the truth could not be more different. As a drug discovery scientist I have very few moments when I actually think I am any closer to discovering even a new lead, let alone a new drug (and sadly no, I am also not rolling around in money). As I have quoted another scientist in one of my posts, the reason why drugs cost so much is not because we are greedy, it's because we are stupid. A lot of the times we feel the way Yamamoto must have felt in 1943, knowing that he was about to fight a war of attrition that he could not possibly win.
Drug discovery is one of the most wasteful research activities on the planet and it's all because most of the times we have no idea of how to go about discovering a new drug or what's going to happen when we put it inside the human body. The complexities of human biology thwart us at every stage and luck plays an inordinately large role in our success. Even basic issues in drug discovery – understanding how drugs get past cell membranes for instance – are generally unsolved problems, and the profligate inefficiency of the process would truly shame us if we knew how to do it better. The path from a new idea in pharmaceutical research to an actual drug is akin to a path trodden by a blind man along the edge of a cliff at night; any survival, let alone success, seems like a miracle in retrospect. No drug scientist will admit it, but every drug scientist crosses his or her fingers when a new drug makes it to the market because we are just not smart enough to figure out exactly what it will do in every single patient. That is why most drugs fail in advanced clinical trials, when hundreds of millions of dollars have already been spent on them.
The scientific challenges in drug discovery are a major reason why drugs are so expensive. Of course manufacturing costs are going to be low; once you have wasted so much money on R&D and hit the right solution you only have to make the actual substance (and I don't say "only" lightly here). Would one also decry the low manufacturing costs of integrated circuit boards and ignore the massive, extensive, often unsuccessful developments in R&D that resulted in the system being able to beat Moore's Law? It's the same for drug discovery, except that in this case nobody has any idea how we would even start to approach Moore's Law, let alone beat it. So criticize drug costs and CEO bonuses and profits all you like – and continue to have a much needed debate about healthcare costs in this country – but keep in mind that those numbers are more likely to wildly obfuscate than educate if you take them at face value.
Hi Josh,
Glad you are bringing more eyeballs to this issue. As the writer of the original post, I agree that pharmaceutical companies deserve fair recompense for their research and development costs.
But as you know, and as I discussed in the comments that accompanied the post, R+D expenses are becoming unsustainably stratospheric. If the true costs of new drug development are really $5 billion per successful medication then maybe the pharmaceutical model is broken.
Many in industry are aware of this–including at one time Gilead–which participated in discussions about alternatives that delink R+D expenses from medication prices (See http://keionline.org/node/1151)
Despite the headline of your post "Here we go again," I think you might find that this time is different.
Link to thisSorry, mistyped. Ash, not Josh
Link to thisThank you for a refreshing dose of reality. It was due and overdue.
Link to thisThe idea of delinking R&D in the article you linked doesn't seem to do anything about how much it actually costs to develop the drug, at least if I'm reading it right. It seems to be talking more about shifting the cost away from the recipient and onto governments and donors.
A possible problem I can see is that in these days of fiscal belt tightening getting any government, or all governments combined, to budget the sum needed for this doesn't seem likely. Using Ash's 5 billion per new drug, how many drugs can we expect those funding the project to actually fund? And of course, that doesn't even take into consideration the companies developing the drugs making a profit.
As for the 5 billion cost to produce one drug meaning that the pharmaceutical model is broken…I don't know. It doesn't seem so much to be a model as much as an insurmountable obstacle. Changing how the drugs are paid for won't change the actual costs, and I'm sure if the pharmaceutical companies knew of a way to bring down the R&D while still being able to produce the medicine, they would be doing so.
It would be interesting to know how much world wide pharmaceutical R&D costs are. It could have a substantial impact on how feasible the delinking idea is.
Link to thisAh, I read over the linked article on delinking again and on a second read through noticed that it was talking about drugs for developing countries.
It seems like a pretty good idea to me from that vantage point. Give the pharmaceutical companies a big roll of cash, metaphorically speaking, that covers the manufacturing costs, plus a hefty profit, and give the drugs to people who never could afford the price in America. The drug companies were never going to see the drugs bought from the people this is meant to help in any case, so any profit from giving them the medication is better than no profit at all.
The one problem, and the problem that probably makes the pharmaceutical companies hesitant, is that of a black market in the drugs developing. If the cheap medication meant for people in the developing world is instead smuggled back into first world countries, it could cause a big problem for their bottom line.
Link to thisStart with the low-hanging fruit: rich people who can't wait to be rid of an STD and the attached stigma. Once they supplement the cost of research for a few years, then costs will come down to where they should be so that the poor can afford it (or government programs).
While they need to take into consideration how long they can exploit drug pricing under patent protection, they might need to worry about medical tourism to poorer countries where they broker price deals (which the most capable [rich] may take advantage).
Profits from their other products, expected profits overtime from this one, and government grants should cover the cost of the research. Rolling it all into one medication's cost makes it so unaffordable and causes unnecessary suffering to continue. It appears the convenience of profit has a greater priority than providing healing to the worldwide community. Of course, do as they will, but on the surface it looks bad.
Link to thisRight on, Ash. If that pharm had FAILED — would Ms. Gorman have helped pick up the lives of the MD/PhDs who risked much?
Of course not. Like 99.99% of people, she wants all the upside — for free or one penny.
Well, news-flash, madam: MD/PhDs don't work for free.
That is HARD, difficult work, 1000% harder than writing "critques" or being a lawyer. Fear of failure is intense.
Inventors — with thinking like that B.S. of Ms. Gorman, don't stick out your necks.
Find a nice, easy government job that lets you loaf 40% of time, and have a life.
Ignorance is epidemic and huge today — don't waste your lives, battling penny-pickers who don't want to pay you.
Link to thisAlso, her column was a dumb and ignorant as Obama's people doing the Medicare data-dump, and all the uproar that some MDs made "huge money."
Then .. over the days .. it was discovered that those MDs did certain treatments that were lumped together and warped the data-dump.
Shades of "well .. never mind."
"Writers" like Ms. Gorman will have the USA living in caves, with her "critiques." No one will want to work for nothing. The USA can be France and Greece. Great.
Link to thisHi Christine, thanks for your comment; the "here we go again" title of the post was not really about your post as it was about reactions to it. I couldn't agree more that a system in which it takes $5B to discover a drug is unsustainable and broken. What I want to emphasize is that a significant reason for this is the formidable and exceedingly higher scientific barriers in drug discovery and this is something that's often not appreciated. I think there are a lot of both scientific and non-scientific solutions to lowering drug research costs, but the fundamental problems with the science aren't going away anytime soon. Nor are FDA regulations which – in many cases rightly – set higher and higher bars for new drugs.
You make a good point about competition, but I don't think competition is a problem with pharmaceutical research since any company which thinks it can reduce cost will make every effort to do so. I think the bigger problem is the lack of sharing of data which basically results in people reinventing the wheel and being unable to learn from each other's mistakes. And it's also the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) which plagues scientists working in the industry today, especially in Big Pharma.
Link to thisOh please, enough with the "poor drug comapnies and the cost to develop drugs. Here's the real facts and until those change, I hope they get regulated and forced into fixed reimbursement:
1. Average net profit by the top ten pharmacy companies per year is more than $70 billion EACH.
2. Pharmacy companies spend almost 20 times more on marketing and sales than they do on research
3. The US market accounts for more than 75% of the total annual net profit every year.
And we could easily go on. All of this information is in public records so I won't bother quoting sources. As far as I'm concerned we can nationalioze all of the drug companies and fund research that is in the best interests of the public from the profits obtained. Not to mention increasing production of critically needed generic drugs that Big Pharma has stopped because of lack of margin. Or how about the orphan drugs and research. And if the current companies want to whine and moan about the cost to bring a drug to market, they should welcome becoming nationalized to take the pressure off of them.
I could go on for pages. This defense of the pharma industry is completely ridiculous and insane. I assume the author is trying to get a job with pharma somewhere, or is simply completely oblivious to reality.
Link to thisWhen I was in big pharma and needed to respond to comments about the cost of drugs, etc. in a social situation, I said (quite truthfully) that "You are not paying for the drug. You are paying for all the things that didn't work."
About a dozen years ago the cost of a new drug was estimated at $802MM in a study by Tufts. Not having any market analysis resources of my own at that time (2002), I looked at Merck's performance since 1985 – at that time the gold standard for big pharma. I added up all the R&D dollars noted in the annual reports, corrected for inflation, and divided by the number of New Chemical Entities (I ignored new vaccines as I didn't know that field). The results was $936MM (in 2002 dollars). Corrected for the last 12 years of inflation, that number should be about $1.5BB today.
Hitting the wall – the cost-point where R&D expenses can never be recovered – is a real problem. But I would blame financial market expectations more than complex science or regulatory burdens. Simply to keep a company's stock price stable there must be increasing profits year-on-year; to obtain and increase in stock price, profits must increase at more than a linear rate over time. Indefinite revenue growth is not a sustainable business model regardless of what business is being performed.
Link to thisMissed two points. First, when I would be asked about big pharma's spending more on advertizing rather than R&D, I would simply ask "What consumer goods company doesn't spend more on marketing than anything else they do?" I never got an answer; that criticism is a cheap shot and uninformed.
Second – despite my comments, I will not defend big pharma. The industry has a complete lack of vision and is a failing organizational model. "Bigger" is not "better", and "more" is not "good"; "better" is better, and "good" is good. Let's start there.
First, the author of this piece works for a biotechnology company. This potential conflict of interest is not clearly disclosed in the piece itself or the author's biography.
Second, I'm not sure where you get the number that Sovaldi would cost $50,000 with a zero percent profit margin. While I agree with the author that drug development is expensive and using $150 as the cost of the drug is ridiculous, its also true that the $84,000 price tag reflects more than just the cost of R&D. For example, in its first quarter of sales, Gilead made $2.2 billion in sales, so at the current price it would seem to have no trouble recouping the costs of R&D even if they significantly exceed $5 billion.
Thus, Sovaldi's pricing is not, in fact, based on the cost of the drug but rather on the market's ability to pay for the drug. Indeed, Hepatitis C is prevalent among low income individuals (who are covered by Medicaid) and in prisons (according to the CDC 1 in 3 prisoners has HCV). Because the US government is legally barred from negotiating drug prices, Gilead must know that it can charge very high prices for Sovaldi in the US. Thus, at heart, the issues are economic, not scientific. The high price of Sovaldi in the US does not reflect R&D cost, but the failure of public policy in the US to institute adequate controls on healthcare spending.
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"First, the author of this piece works for a biotechnology company. This potential conflict of interest is not clearly disclosed in the piece itself or the author's biography."
While it is true that it is not stated plainly anywhere, that I can find at least, that Ash works for a biotechnology company. The third paragraph from the bottom of the article shows that he isn't actively trying to hide the fact.
I have always found it somewhat annoying when people act like working in an industry, or in someway being connected to it instantly means anything that person says is a lie meant to make their boss look good. Not that you seem to be doing that Bryan. Your pointing out Ash's working in the biotech industry and thus having a potential bias seems fair enough to me, even if it doesn't seem needed all that much with the paragraph I indicated saying it in so many words. But I hate it when other people dismiss points out of hand because of someones association, irrespective of their value or truthfulness. Not even giving consideration to such people seems ill advised when there is a good chance that their understanding of a field is much better than most anyone else who might weigh in.
Link to this@z34aa Exactly, discounting or ignoring what people say because they have a vested interest – means discounting and ignoring expertise that disagrees with you.
Link to thisSolvadi actually targets the HCV NS5B RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, not the viral protease. http://www.gilead.com/~/media/Files/pdfs/medicines/liver-disease/sovaldi/sovaldi_pi.pdf
Link to thisThanks, fixed.
Link to thisI have no problem with drug companies charging the requisite amount money necessary to make profits. Otherwise there would be no incentive to do the R&D, nor manufacture the drug.
However, I would like you explain to me why I can get my prescription for Lamotrigene (generic Lamictal)in Canada for 1/10th the cost I would pay in the U.S.? Of course, it's a rhetorical question.
The answer is that Big-Pharma owns Congress, so the FDA regulations literally "price-fix" the drugs by limiting who can import/sell in this country. Please don't give me the "we have to protect our citizens from tainted drugs", etc. Most drugs are manufactured in Third World countries, and the testing procedures in Canada are just as rigorous as the U.S.
The fact of the matter is that drug pricing in the U.S. is controlled by Big Pharma. And Medicare Part D, as well as ACA (Obamacare) would not have passed in Congress WITHOUT the "blessings" of Big Pharma Lobbyists. In fact, Medicare Part D was the Bush Administration and Republicans "thank you" to Big Pharma for helping them get control of the White House/Congress (Campaign $$$$).
Even the Obama Administration made no bones about the fact that they were among the first one's invited to sit at the conference table in the White House when that law was first contemplated.
So another rhetorical question, "Why"?
The question answers itself . . . just look at "the river of 'dirty' money" running from K Street Pharma shops to the White House and Congress.
Link to thisNo LanceMH, you are wrong. The situation is far more complex, and your suggestion that all of the questions you ask are rhetorical shows quite clearly you have not thought deeply about this complex issue.
The reason drugs are more expensive in the US vs other countries is that in the US pharma companies set the price of drugs, while in other countries some other government body sets the price. Pharma companies have a choice to make regarding selling their products in other countries: they can either sell them at a reduced price and make a little bit of money, or they can maintain the same price as in the US and make no money in other countries (because the government entities will not pay for them). They choose to make a little bit of money rather than none.
The reasons the US government has chosen to maintain this structure are complex and boil down to a whole lot more than "pharma is paying everyone off." Give me a break, stop being so lazy, dig deeper. Congress also has a choice to make: they can allow prices to be very high in the US relative to other countries, and in so doing support a healthy drug discovery and development enterprise, at the expense of Americans and to the benefit of all of mankind. Or they can overturn pharma's pricing power in the US, turn that power over to some agency, and force pharma to sell their products for much less. Why don't they do this? Ask yourself that question. Is it really because ALL of them are being paid off by big pharma? Really? Or is it because there's a very real risk of destroying the entire industry by doing so?
Surprisingly enough, some members of congress see actual value in the pharmaceutical industry. If you can't see the value that some of the industry's products bring, then frankly you've lead a charmed and sheltered life, and I congratulate you on never having had to watch one of your loved ones suffer.
The industry as a whole DEPENDS on strong profits to stay in business. This is difficult for many to understand, because they can't understand that there are industries that operate on a different business model than Walmart. Simply put, if Wall Street loses faith in the ability of pharma to produce a return on investment, Wall Street will stop investing in pharma, and the industry will cease to exist. That is a fact: pharma's very existence is fully dependent on outside investment. Would some drugs continue to trickle out of academia? Sure – and with 1/1000th the funding and a corresponding rate of production. Congress understands this to be true, and as imperfect as the system is (namely, the rest of the world leaches off of American investment), it produces life-altering products that are nearly guaranteed to be extermely cost effective, if not right away then in some reasonable amount of time once the drugs are off patent.
So give us all a break with your pharma-congress conspiracy bs, and realize that most people (in congress AND in pharma) are doing the best they can within the bounds of medical science to balance long term costs and investment and ultimately provide a net benefit to humanity.
Link to this@18, LanceMH: Lamictal (lamotrigine) was invented by Wellcome…the patent describing it is from 1980 (EP 1980-103032; "1,2,4-Triazine derivatives, pharmaceutical compositions and intermediates utilized for their preparation" Baxter, Elphick, Miller & Sawyer). At the time, Wellcome (now GlaxoSmithKline=GSK) was a British company, and the invention of lamotrigine occurred in Wellcome's laboratories in England.
I think @19 has it right. The situation is very complex, and even ex-US companies use the higher prices obtainable in the US to recoup the costs of all the drugs that *don't* make it to market (and also to maintain some very attractive [to shareholders] profit margins).
By the way, generic lamotrigine has been available since 2005 (and in all dosages since 2008). If it's not a lot cheaper than brand-name Lamictal, then complain to Teva (and Israeli company) or others who manufacture and/or sell it.
Link to thisGilead had nothing to do with discovering Solvadi, so the premise that the drug's cost/pricing is related to the high cost of discovery and development is not valid. Gilead paid $11 billion to acquire the company that did discover it. If anything patients are paying for Gilead's decision to spend that much money to get the drug. It's not like the drug would never have been discovered or developed if Gilead had't stepped in. Also, if the pricing is really related to the high cost of the discovery and development, have Gilead disclose the actual costs. Research on drug discovery and development would suggest the total costs, all inclusive of discovery and development, would be closer to $1 billion at most, and in this case I suspect the total costs would be a lot less.
Link to this@MikeW6 Sovaldi was hardly a "sure thing" when Gilead bought Parmasset in 2011. In fact, the $11B that Gilead paid was considered a "huge and risky bet."
The compound had just entered PhIII clinical trials, you can search the internet tubes yourself to find out how many drugs that enter PhIII actually get to market.
Large pharma and biotech companies can and have paid high proces for products that are ultimate failures. And anyway, do you think Pharmasset planned to give the drug away for free if they took it to market themselves?
sciencebasedmedicine you missed the point. Not a single dollar of that $11 billion that Gilead spent to acquire Pharmasset went to drug discovery or development of the drug which is what is implied in the article and espoused by Pharma as the reason for having to charge high prices for their drugs.
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I forgot r600g still doesn't support ST3C, so you're right that it wouldn't be useful. Still, it would be nice to see that for an r300g test.
Michael, can you clarify what Phoronix's position on that is? Are you afraid of getting sued if you publish an article using ST3C? I seem to remember some a long time ago, but perhaps not.