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Dan Haren served up four homers in six innings yesterday.
VIERA, Fla. — With Opening Day now so tantalizingly close, it's perhaps a real mental challenge for the Nationals to slog their way through these last few days of the spring.
"Few days?" Ryan Zimmerman said with a smirk yesterday when I asked him that. "Yeah, this is awful. I mean, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but it's pretty hard to get excited to play a game for the seventh week in Melbourne, Fla. We've been down here a while."
Yes, they have. And it's safe to say they are absolutely champing at the bit to get out of Florida, head north and begin this season already.
We probably saw evidence of that yesterday during the Nationals' 8-5 loss to the Marlins in Jupiter. Aside from Bryce Harper's torrid streak at the plate — 9 for his last 9 with a walk — and Dan Haren getting his final six innings of the spring in the books, there wasn't a whole lot else that piqued many people's interest at Roger Dean
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- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 10:24 AM
Count those of us who sit in the stands during games and on the sidelines during practices as done in by this extended Spring Training.We are worn out.
- JT - Mar 27, 2013 at 11:08 AM
It will be good to get the long spring in florida over….but get ready for some cooler/colder non spring weather in DC. Fins up.
- Rabbit34 - Mar 27, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Haren giving up home runs is like Zimmerman striking out. They both walk away like they are bewildered, like is was some sort of anomaly, which of course it wasn't.
- natsfan1a - Mar 27, 2013 at 11:20 AM
High of 61 is sounding good to me for Monday.
- sjm308 - Mar 27, 2013 at 11:55 AM
I am still sticking with my plan for minimal attendance on Friday (with other activities included) but Monday is looking stronger. An old swimmer of mine sent me a red curly W hat with ear flaps as a joke!! Guess who will have that on the for the exhibition? Looking at the new alternative hat as my latest purchase (total of 15 National/Senator hats). I just can't get into the spring training hat as it reminds me of the Orioles. I figure if I buy the new alternative hat, I can retire one of the two non-fitted hats they gave out at various games and use them just for yard work and off season. I have already retired the green non-fitted hat.How many others here are having a difficult time with our lads now being the favorites? I don't mean that it is laborious but its just not the mind set I have had in the past. I love that we are now good but I liked how we sort of snuck up on people as we improved each year. I have actually run into people that are not crazy about us because we are considered to be so good. We have not won anything yet, we are not the Yankees with multiple pennants. Certainly is different to say the least.Go Nats!!
- SCNatsFan - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Would it be possible to build up arm strength abd not give up 4 bombs?
- JayB - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Flipping a switch does not always work. Haren is a vet so I will believe it for now. His MPH is down in the warm FL setting. Not completely sold that he is health and not washed up. This team should be the favorites to win it all. If they do not (again)….I do not want to hear excuses about just missing by inches or lack of experience showed. That was last year…..this is a new year and they have no excuses left.
- natsfan1a - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM
I'm not having a difficult time with it but it's certainly different. On a related note, I was talking with my Chicago baseball buddy the other day and she was remarking on how the Cubs and the Nats were still in rebuilding mode. I had to correct her on, er, half of that statement (she doesn't follow the Nats as closely as I do, which is understandable given that she's not local). That said, I did also opine on how there's no sneaking up on other teams now, given that they'll probably be bringing their "A" game.
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:18 PM
sjm308… I hated the ST and practice hats….at first… but they've really grown on me. Now I kinda like them.As for the Nats…. get used to it. They have huge targets on their back and are now the hunted. I always tell everyone that, I agree…. the Nats haven't won anything….. but it sure beats being ridiculed for being inept. I also remind people how 2 years ago, I told them that this is exactly where they were going to be.
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Spring Training games are played with about 25% of the intensity of a regular season game for the vets. That's why it's not good to someone like Cory Brown or Carlos Rivero look so AAA when they need to stand out.
- sjm308 - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Natsjack – thanks and I actually do remember you saying stuff about how good we were going to be!I will trust you on the Vets% but like JayB, it is tough thinking they can just hit a different level in a few days. That is what I loved about my sport, you got out of it what you put in. You could not have continued poor practices and all of a sudden get results. Maybe baseball is just a different animal.
- Traveler8 - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:38 PM
SJM, remember the year (2008?) that the Nats got three managers of opposing teams fired? Good old days, eh?
- Faraz Shaikh - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM
on my way to work, all I could think was how the first game would unfold and Nats win. can't wait for OD.
- Mac - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:50 PM
"I always tell everyone that, I agree…. the Nats haven't won anything"Wrong. They have won the NL East. Not exactly an easy task. The Marlins despite two WS wins have never done it.
- NatsNut - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM
sjm, agreed on the strange feeling. I think the sense of anticipation that something good *might* happen this year is gone and replaced with a comfortable assurance that no doubt we're going to see some very good baseball. It's not difficult, but I do feel a little weird about it. Still, I can't wait for Friday!
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Ok…they've won a play off berth……and 2 playoff games……Beyond that….nothing yet. Show me a League Championship……that's something.
- sm13 - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM
NatsNut – well put. I find it all bit disorienting, but in a good – I cant wipe this smile from my face – way. Looking forward to good baseball and good crowds at the ballpark.
- Laddie Blah Blah - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I want to see baseball played at the highest level. Win or lose, I want to see the Nats all go for it like the Cyborg does. If they lose, then I want someone else to beat them. They are too good to beat themselves, again. So don't do that, Nats. Give Davey your best and the chips will fall where they may, and you will get no complaints from me. It's a team game, so play like it, and I will cheer you on. Play to win and, more often than not, you will. Play not to lose, and too often you will lose.This should be the best year for baseball in DC in any of our living memories, if you guys just do your part. You can do it.
- LoveDaNats - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Leaving Florida this morning. True. This has seemed like the longest spring training ever and the boys look like they are having trouble gearing up their enthusiasm these last few games. I honestly cringe when I hear how we will easily take the WS. It reminds me of when we would play the worst team in baseball (the years when we weren't actually the worst team in baseball) and were predicted to win it easily and they would thump us with a sweep. One game at a time….
- DaveB - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM
As folks noted, it is probably unrealistic to think Haren will flip a switch and be great from day 1. It's a lot more realistic to think that he will gradually settle in and get more solid over the first month. Will be interesting to watch, however, all of the screams for his (and Rizzo's) head from the Legion of Doom if that happens.
- BigCat - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Haren…..4 more bombs…..hmmmm…..I don't have a good feeling on this.How many starts do we give him before we pull the plug on him? 5? 7? And who takes his place? Maya?
- natsfan1a - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:21 PM
And then there were the times when the other teams were supposed to win easily against us, with results as referenced by Traveler.
- Sec. 3, My Sofa - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:21 PM
"I honestly cringe when I hear how we will easily take the WS."I would too, but seriously, who says that?
- BigCat - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Haren will probably come out and spin a 2 hit shutout his first game and I will be eating big time crow. Hopefully
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Haren's fine. He's a much more consistent improvement over Jackson.
- Sec. 3, My Sofa - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:28 PM
"How many starts do we give him before we pull the plug on him? 5? 7?"Depends on who "we" is. Fans, or Rizzo and Davey?
- PDowdy83 - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM
How many seasons is it going to take for people to stop making asanign judgements based off of spring training stats? Every year people want to cut someone or send someone down based off of meaningless stats where people are working on certain things or just not playing as hard as a regular season game. Haren did give up a bunch of homers yesterday but at least 1, maybe 2 of them would not have been regular season homeruns. Yes Storen has struggled in spring training but he struggles EVERY spring training. Case and point. Strasburg has a 2-7 record and an ERA over 4 in his spring training career. Is anybody worried about him being ready because of some meaningless stats?
- Mac - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:33 PM
"Ok…they've won a play off berth……and 2 playoff games……Beyond that….nothing yet. Show me a League Championship……that's something."They have won a division championship, not just a "playoff berth." In other words, they have competed across a full 162 game season and emerged in first place. Four other teams tried and failed to do that. Not only that, in doing so they had the best record in the entire 30-team MLB!You often hear it said that "it's a marathon, not a sprint." Actually, the regular season is the marathon and the playoffs are a sprint. The Nationals won the marathon, even though they have yet to win the sprint. That is definitely something.
- SCNatsFan - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:35 PM
BigCat I'll get a spoon and happily eat half the bowl of crow with you
- Sec. 3, My Sofa - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Even in a worsT case, if Haren is done, this year's Brad Lidge, he still probably mixes in a couple of good-enough starts. If he isn't injured, Davey'll go a long while. Fans, OTOH, not so much.
- Sec. 3, My Sofa - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Of course, another case in point would be the Caps, who finished in first a couple of times.
- Rabbit34 - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Even if we won the world series last year, it wouldn't make any difference now. It would just be bragging rights. We would still be where we are now. The same team, the same record, the same expectations. The past means nothing. The future means nothing. Baseball is just in the "now".
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM
I agree, Rabbit…..that's how I like my baseball….. Now.
- JayB - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Too Easy and a cop out in my view….NOW….just Now…no past no future….No accountability no growth that way…..yes less pain….but nobody has to own their performance that way. Drew, Jackson, Davey all just walk away from Game 5?
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Yep…. They've totally moved on.
- Joe Seamhead - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM
I, for one, am not expecting the Nats to win the World Series, but I have a realistic feeling that the could. JayB if it doesn't happen, it won't be Rizzo, or Davey's fault. I still see this team as being way ahead of the schedule I thought we on two years ago, and for that I thank Rizzo and Johnson. GYFNG!!!
- Theophilus T. S. - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:05 PM
The only tension at the moment is awaiting Ghost of Steve M's "Rizzo Surprise."
- Joe Seamhead - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM
"that they could"
- NatsJack in Florida - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM
Rizzo gas been conspicuously absent for the past 2 road games. On Monday evening, I asked Bob Boone where he was and he said with a smile "I don't know. probably working on a deal".I wouldn't put anything past Rizzo.
- 4571c960-cc1f-11e1-909b-000bcdcb471e - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Pul-eeze. Don't get me wrong, I love Ryan Zimmerman, but a multimillionaire complaining about playing baseball in 80 degree weather in March is hard to stomach. Particularly considering that he didn't even put on a glove in a spring game until about two weeks ago.
- JayB - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Not exactly Njack…..Jackson sent packing, Drew still can not get anyone out and is not longer closer…..and the one that really counts and time will tell…..Davey….this year I think he will manage to win in the Playoffs…..if he had done that it would have been Ryan M pitching and Danny sitting. It would have Drew not pitcher 3 days in a row. It would have been Drew or his replacement intentionally walking to get closer out of game……Davey must have learned something from losing that game.
- baseballswami - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:01 PM
The chilly temps and metro DMV traffic will wake these guys right up. Oh- and the large, noisy crowds : )
- 4571c960-cc1f-11e1-909b-000bcdcb471e - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Honestly, JayB, do you really follow the team for fun or just to channel negativity? the team isn't a total failure that completely sucks if they don't win the World Series. A lot can happen in a season, and its entirely possible that the Nats don't win the division without being complete idiots that aren't worthy of your time. we've got a good, well constructed team that has a chance. The world didn't come to an end because we lost game 5 last year. We had a great, memorable season. Chill out and try to have some fun being a fan.
- EmDash - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Interesting Harper-Trout note: in addition to publicly taking the Angels to task for the amount of money Trout was paid, his agent has said that Trout's unhappy and disappointed about being moved to left field this season. Harper, and Boras, haven't said anything like that. Should be a bit of an eye-opener for people who think Harper is so immature and arrogant and Trout is down-to-earth, but probably won't be.
- EmDash - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Also, something interesting in Haren v. Jackson – last year, he went 12-13, so the Angels won at least 12 games he started last year.Of the games Jackson started, he got the win in 10 and the Nationals went 12-19 in his starts. So if Haren just repeats last year, he'll be roughly the same as Jackson – not a step forward, but not a step back either. And last year went pretty well.
- Diz - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM
My concerns would be Haren, Stammen on the pitching side and Span and ALR on the hitting side.I am fairly confident that everyone is where they need to be though, since they are all vets and have been through it before.It will also help we get the Marlins to start.
- BigCat - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:29 PM
I would feel a lot better if Haren was giving up a lot of grounders thru the hole, not barreled up bomb after bomb. I said when we got him that his lost velocity was a major concern. Nothing has changed as far as I am concerned.
- UnkyD - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:29 PM
PDowdy83: "asanign …"Spellcheck: "…….. Go for it. I got nothing."{=^D
- baseballswami - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Stamen had exactly one bad outing- all the pitchers had at least one. He was awesome last season.
- sjm308 - Mar 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM
Asinine – there you go UnkyD and PDowdy (by the way, your short lived blog was well appreciated by this old fan)JayB – sure am glad you got to spout off again about Davey being stubborn, Mattheus throwing in game 5 and benching Danny. Bet we won't hear that again this season huh? please please please leave it alone, let it rest. Any I am convinced you never ever competed on a high level in any type of sports if you honestly believe that world class athletes look backward. One of the great aspects of a winner is that he has a short memory. Another aspect of winners is that they all have failed and moved on. Looks like you can't do that.
- Oldguy - Mar 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM
There is no rear-view mirror in baseball. Never. Period.
- PDowdy83 - Mar 27, 2013 at 4:40 PM
Haha yeah that's how you spell it sjm. Thanks! Sadly real life got in the way of much writing these days.Big Cat, Haren's average velocity in 2011 was 89mph and just barely 90 in 2010. It sounds to me like he is sitting in that range now. I haven't heard reports (other than the dead arm start) that he is lower. He was touching 92 early in spring and has consistently been 88-90. He was a very useful pitcher in both of those years I stated above and Haren has NEVER been a flame thrower. Also BigCat, is your name an Andres Galaragga reference?
- PDowdy83 - Mar 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Even if Haren only repeats last year he was still worth 1.8 WAR which is very good for a 5th starter. Yes he is making $13mil this year but the higher salary this season was Rizzo's way of not having to deal with long term deals for the likes of Jeremy Guthrie, Kyle Lohse et al.JayB, when are you going to give it a rest on Storen? Drew is awful EVERY spring training and flips the switch when the season starts. This is nothing new. For relief pitchers you cannot simulate the adrenaline coming into the middle or end of a spring training game that comes with a regular season game.
- Sec. 3, My Sofa - Mar 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM
PDdowdy, sjm, hexa-bits: you're talking to a wall. Just think of him as one of those motion-activated fish on a plaque that sings the same song whenever somebody walks past it.
- Ron In Reston - Mar 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM
Right on the nose, Sec 3!!!


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[DBAL-40] Transparent table&column names escaping Created: 05/Aug/10 Updated: 28/Mar/15 |
Status: | Open |
Project: | Doctrine DBAL |
Component/s: | Platforms |
Affects Version/s: | 2.3, 2.4, 2.4.1 |
Fix Version/s: | None |
Type: | Improvement | Priority: | Major |
Reporter: | Jan Tichý | Assignee: | Benjamin Eberlei |
Resolution: | Unresolved | Votes: | 13 |
Labels: | None |
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Description |
Hello, I would like to re-open the discussion about automatic transparent escaping of all table/column names sent from DBAL to database. It was already discussed in http://www.doctrine-project.org/jira/browse/DDC-88 without any satisfactory result. Why do I have to quote any reserved word used in table or column name? Why Doctrine doesn't do this automatically for all table and column Before you start to explain how complicated it is and what problems you will be faced with, try to look at excellent DIBI database layer - how it acts in this way - it's behaviour is very cool. Unfortunally at the moment the full documentation is in czech only, but here is a brief automatic google-translation to english - http://dibiphp.com/en/quick-start. My suggestion to Doctrine 2 ORM/DBAL solution is: 1. Developer should never care about any escaping or avoiding any reserved words - it is not his business, the DBAL shoult solve it transparently and safely. 2. So there should be no need and even no possibility to add any quotation chars in @column or @table annotations as well as in DQL queries. ORM layer has nothing to do with escaping, it is all a business of the DBAL layer. Current possibility for manual escaping the names in mentioned annotations is totally wrong and should be discontinued. 3. DBAL should escape ALL table and column names transparently and automatically. There should be ne option to enable or disable the escaping, there is no reason for disabling it. 4. The escaping should be performed just in the final translation of DBAL queries to native SQL query, not earlier. This is the right place to do that. So what do you think about that? |
Comments |
Comment by Roman S. Borschel [ 05/Aug/10 ] |
My point of view (and the reason for the current implementation) is as follows:
So, supporting selective quoting in the name of a (slightly) better interoperability with legacy schemas looked (and still looks) like the best solution for us. The support is limited, explicit, does not require much implementation or overhead and does not unnecessarily bloat the SQL. There is only one solution for reserved words: not using them. Quoting is a workaround, not a solution and especially not a good one. ps: I really wish quoting reserved words would not be available in SQL It's not available in most programming languages and noone cares, people just don't use reserved words, because they simply can't. |
Comment by Jan Tichý [ 05/Aug/10 ] |
Hi Roman, thank you very much for your response! I storngly disagree with most of your points . There is no doubt that using reserved words is bad practice - FROM THE VIEW OF DATABASE SYSTEM. But we are discussing about ORM and DBAL. One of the biggest goals of ORM/DBAL is to provide transparent usage of the storage behind the scene. No matter if it is MySQL or PostgreSQL or even maybe something completely diferent. The ORM/DBAL layer should prevent me from any specifics of particular storage as much as possible. I don't want to remember (and I never should to) that I cannot create entity Order because "order" is reserved word in some weird technology far away from me as ORM programmer. It is strictly consistent with what you have written above in your PS - "It's not available in most programming languages and noone cares, people just don't use reserved words, because they simply can't" - just consider Doctrine 2 to be another programming language - and there is no real systematic reason in Doctrine 2 itself to prevent developers create entities named "Order". Here is an analogy - It is the same as if you would say that you cannot use associative arrays in PHP because C-language or Assembler behind PHP doesn't support associative arrays. Yes, they don't support them but it is the responsibility of PHP to provide them. In the same way I don't want to respect this weird limitations of particular RDBMS behind Doctrine 2. This is Doctrine's responsibility to transparently cover the limitation. Moreover, when list of registered keywords is different from one to the other RDBMS, so the naming of entities is strongly dependent on current database server. Moreover, when I realize that I have used a registered keyword as lately as an error returns from database engine, not earlier. I suppose here is probably no risk of SQL injection, but I feel the current Doctrine 2 acting to be "vulnerable" in very similar way, on principle. Simply - you are sending an unescaped piece of SQL query to the database without any warranty what it is. And sometimes it fails, sometimes not. From this view I don't consider overall escaping to be overkill at all, I consider it to be a necessity. I am strongly convinced that developer working upon DBAL or even ORM layer should never think about such naming limitations and he even shouldn't know anything about reserved words in his particular DBMS. Now to mentioned problems with case sensitivity. Resulting from the fact that Doctrine 2 entity names are case insensitive I belive that all table definitions and SQL queries comming from Doctrine 2 to database should act as case insensitive too. And that the only practicable way is to normalize (lowercase) all table and column names just on DBAL side before it is passed as SQL query to database. Jan |
Comment by Benjamin Eberlei [ 05/Aug/10 ] |
There is actually a very good reason for not quoting. Oracle columns behave differently in their internal structure when escaped. for example: /** * @column(type="integer") */ private $foo; With quoting it would lead to a column "foo" being lower-cased IN the database and even returned so from resultsets. Without casing it would be a column "FOO". We would essentially need to implement lots of glue code just to get this annoying Oracle feature to work and i think Postgres has the same with lower-cased columns. |
Comment by Roman S. Borschel [ 05/Aug/10 ] |
@"Hi Roman, thank you very much for your response! I storngly disagree with most of your points" I guess we can agree to disagree then @"But we are discussing about ORM and DBAL. One of the biggest goals of ORM/DBAL is to provide transparent usage of the storage behind the scene. No matter if it is MySQL or PostgreSQL or even maybe something completely diferent." Actually, no, "hiding" the storage completely from the developer is not the goal just as it is not the goal to "hide" SQL. There is an object model on one side and a relational database on the other side. The goal is to provide a mapping between them which is not the same as "hiding" one from the other. In order to create good applications that use ORM technology you need to know both very well, OOP and relational databases. The goal is not to make relational database knowledge "unnecessary". This only results in inefficient use of the databases. The goal is to give people who know both sides equally well a tool to map between the two. Not even "portability" between different relational database vendors is a main goal of an ORM technology, it is just obvious to provide assistance with that as part of the mapping. @"and there is no real systematic reason in Doctrine 2 itself to prevent developers create entities named "Order". Noone prevents you from naming domain classes anything you want. Class naming is different from table naming. That the table name defaults to the class name is just that, a default, that can and should be changed if necessary. @"Moreover, when list of registered keywords is different from one to the other RDBMS, so the naming of entities is strongly dependent on current database server." Correct, and if you want to create a portable application that works, and will be deployed on, a different set of vendors, you need to have some knowledge of these databases and consider their characteristics. An ORM/DBAL technology does not give you any guarantee for complete and transparent portability between vendors and especially not that it will perform equally well on all of them. The ORM/DBAL technology helps you for the most part in a lot of cases with portability issues but it is no free ticket. @"I suppose here is probably no risk of SQL injection, but I feel the current Doctrine 2 acting to be "vulnerable" in very similar way, on principle. Simply - you are sending an unescaped piece of SQL query to the database without any warranty what it is. And sometimes it fails, sometimes not. From this view I don't consider overall escaping to be overkill at all, I consider it to be a necessity." Do not confuse identifier quoting with quoting/escaping of special characters as it is used for security reasons on input. Identifier quoting is absolutely not a necessity, it is a workaround for using otherwise reserved words as schema element names. Speaking of goals, it is neither a "goal" of ORM/DBAL technology to completely remove the possibilities of SQL injections. You can't. It'll always be possible with wrong usage. @"I am strongly convinced that developer working upon DBAL or even ORM layer should never think about such naming limitations and he even shouldn't know anything about reserved words in his particular DBMS." And I am strongly convinced that a developer working with a DBAL/ORM should know the underlying databases pretty well. I think you're really not aware of all the consequences it has across different database vendors to quote every identifier. If not for developers using Doctrine, you cause at least any developer or application pain that does not access the database through Doctrine and is thus feels the full pain of case-sensitivity and mandatory quoting you enforced on the whole schema. Ubiquitious access to the data is actually a strong point of a relational database and it is far from uncommon that the same database is accessed by many parties. I think the approach taken by DIBI is a bad idea and even worse if there is no way to turn this behavior off. Do they have Oracle or DB2 users? I'm wondering what the sysadmins behind these databases might think if they see this quoting nightmare since to my knowledge this is considered bad practice among them as well. Yes, we're disagreeing on many points but if you really think identifier quoting is a good idea then you're ignoring a whole lot of prior experience (not only mine). |
Comment by Lukas Kahwe [ 05/Aug/10 ] |
I was one of the lead developers of MDB2 and we just ran into tons of issues when we overly aggressively did identifier quoting by default. even the option caused lots of headaches. furthermore I agree that the ORM is not about turning an RDBMS into an Object Database, but instead to make a mapping possible. In this vain using reserved words or making all identifiers case sensitive will be a big pain for the people that do work one level lower aka the DBA's. heck even as a developer I frequently work on the DB's command line. Now as for helping people prevent issues with reserved words. Back then I added some reserved word checking into MDB2_Schema. Obviously its hard to really keep track of all of the different reserved words for all RDBMS. Maybe its possible to work with this guy for this: http://www.petefreitag.com/item/290.cfm This way it could be possible to validate if the names chosen in the models will not cause issues with a certain list of RDBMS. |
Comment by Benjamin Eberlei [ 07/Aug/10 ] |
Reserved words checking sounds to be a fair compromise! |
Comment by Jan Tichý [ 30/Aug/10 ] |
Hello, thank you all for your responses. This helped me understand much about Doctrine 2 basic objectives - especially that it is designed mainly to "make a mapping possible" only, not to be as much as possible transparent layer between database and application. And even if I don't like this conception (because I personally think ORM should provide all such features - like automatic reserved keywords escaping - to make the particular database as transparent as possible), at the same time I fully understand all metioned arguments for doing things in such way. Thank you again. |
Comment by Damian Boune [ 17/Jan/11 ] |
I would like to state an agreement with the OP. I understand where there are difficulties in handling reserved words and backtick/quoting, and certainly one should always avoid the use of reserved words in their own schema designs. This is a given when one is able to exert control. At present I am working on a project in which I am dealing with an outside database where I have no control over the schema, nor am I able to push the remote into making the most sensible changes to their schema. I must live with what they provide. DBAL presents me with a set of invaluable tools that can not be used as-is, because it lacks the ability to handle quoting when generating schema sql. I'm sure there are some other places where I will find this lacking as well. This is disappointing. Regardless of what we as developers should do when designing our own schema, we still need to be able to work and play with others who may not follow the same common sense conventions. Edit: |
Comment by Francesco Montefoschi [ 03/Feb/11 ] |
"its hard to really keep track of all of the different reserved words for all RDBMS" That's the main point for me. |
Comment by Adrian Rudnik [ 26/Apr/11 ] |
@Damian thanks for the hint. I just ran into a similar situation. Not every project is a startup. I tried to use doctrine2 on a customers database for a small web ui. Well I told them to rename their `iso3166-1` table and `alpha-2` field, then we had a good laugh. We made the mapping possible but i'll remember the one thing i learned: doctrine did not help, guide, prevent or cared at all. It did not even hesitate to spew invalid sql snippets when asked to dump. Its okay for me, but i've expected something more resilient from a DBAL. |
Comment by Robert (Jamie) Munro [ 02/Feb/13 ] |
What do you mean by "Quoting everything is like hitting all the SQL with a huge big hammer"? Is there a performance hit? I have always quoted all names when working with PostGres. Not quoting them has always felt like not quoting strings in PHP (e.g. $foo[bar] instead of $foo['bar'] because unless the string is keyword or defined as a constant somewhere, you don't need to (although you will get a "Use of undefined constant" warning). In the early days of PHP, not quoting array keys was common example practise. |
Comment by Marco Pivetta [ 02/Feb/13 ] |
If you want quoting by default on everything we have a quoting strategy (in ORM) that you can use. I don't think quoting everything by default is a viable solution. Back in `Zend_Db` times this was eating up a lot of performance for no real reason. Users having a clean schema without horrors like columns called `order` or `group` should not be penalized because of users not using valid naming schemes. |
Comment by Steve Müller [ 24/Jun/13 ] |
Hello, if I understand correctly, the issue of quoting reserved keywords automatically is solved in https://github.com/doctrine/dbal/pull/302. Besides reserved keywords you can still decide quoting or not quoting identifier manually by passing quotes to the identifier or not. |
Comment by Arthur Bodera [ 26/Sep/13 ] |
It's still broken in 2.4. PR 302 only selectively fixes indexes, PK and FK, but ALTER and all CRUD will still fail (and schema tool will produce invalid sql). There is no performance hit, as all operations already hit `DefaultQuoteStrategy`. Currently you have the following workarounds:
Here is a class you can use: https://gist.github.com/Thinkscape/6713196 |
Comment by Arthur Bodera [ 26/Sep/13 ] |
QuoteStrategies are not used for ALTER queries. This means that using the EagerQuoteStrategy mentioned above won't fix invalid ALTER queries generated by schema tool. For ALTER to work, we need this merged: |
Comment by Doctrine Bot [ 26/Sep/13 ] |
A related Github Pull-Request [GH-379] was closed: |
Comment by Sebastien Lavoie [ 28/Mar/15 ] |
My 2 cents from DBAL-96: 1. Users should not have to worry about platform-specific quoting when using the query builder or helpers, the DBAL should do that for you. |
Comment by Arthur Bodera [ 28/Mar/15 ] |
Sebastien, ad 3. that is incorrect. Read the ticket more closely, look at the PR, look inside schema tool and platform classes. There is already a lot of quoting+unquoting being performed in 2.* and a lot of assumptions. Having quoting enabled across the board might actually increase performance in some cases, because there will be less scanning for keywords (see platform classes) and possibly less quoting/unquoting across Schema*. The problem is, the quoting right now works in some places and in some platforms and is being performed only when schema/schematool/dql needs it, but is being ignored in all other cases. This means that columns like "group" or table names like "platform" will fail randomly depending on platform/rdbms you actually use. It's a nightmare with cross-platform apps and a struggle for single-platform apps, where your tables are named according to domain-rules and happen to overlap with some rdbms. Quoting identifiers being "a bloat" is similar to saying, that implicit quoting values is a bloat. Although from security standpoint the former is much rarer, it's the same for portability and stability of the DBAL across platforms. |


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Aconitum - Fears, Baby and Child, and GeneralitiesIndex1. Aconitum - The Essential Homeopathic Features, Anxiety Attacks, Sympathetic Element 2. Aconitum - Fears, Baby and Child, and Generalities Please note that you are not allowed to copy this page to your website. Check our copying policy for details. The Fear of Closed Spaces Aconitum also produces claustrophobia; it can arise in a crowd, a train, an airplane or a bus. If the weather is dark or cloudy, the claustrophobia will be aggravated and may eventuate in a panic attack. Fear of the dark, fear of suffocation and, especially, fear of crowds are characteristic of this remedy. Aconitum patients will not participate in a demonstration which would necessitate their being in close proximity with a large number of people. A characteristic case I once saw illustrates the possible intensity of the claustrophobia and the fear of crowds. The claustrophobia was so strong that with only six or seven people in the room this patient would have to leave the room. As a consequence, she could no longer invite all of her relatives to the house on the same day. In theatres they may sit in the rear so their exit will be made easier if an emergency arises. There is also a fear of suffocation, especially in warm, closed places and when they are caught in traffic jams, where panic may overtake them and force them to leave their car or the underground train. Sometimes, interestingly enough, one will encounter exactly the opposite sensation — a fear of open spaces. They cannot drive on open highways, yet they will have no difficulty driving within the city. They are paralyzed with fear the minute they enter a highway. But they can also have a fear of going out of the house or crossing a street. The Fear of the Dark These patients often can not sleep with the lights off. Darkness is aggravating, producing a feeling of suffocation; there is also fear of ghosts. They will not go through tunnels (dark and closed places), nor will they take the elevator lest the electricity goes out, leaving them trapped in a "closed and dark place" where they might suffocate; they would rather walk up five stories than enter an elevator. The same fear precludes their riding in an airplane. A fear of accidents can be so prominent in Aconitum individuals that they refuse to drive an automobile alone; they need someone to accompany them. The Fear of Diseases They also have a fear of diseases, of impending disease, brain stroke and heart disease — a fear that their heart will stop beating and that they will drop dead or that their heart will explode. It appears that these fears are usually dormant, but with the least provocation they surface with an impressive intensity. All such symptomatology surfaces quite readily in our modern cities with their inhuman aggressiveness and violence; consequently, this remedy will be required increasingly often. Some Aconitum cases bear a strong resemblance to Lachesis by virtue of a peculiar nocturnal aggravation: after having gone to bed and having slept for ten or fifteen minutes, they suddenly awaken with tremendous fear and jump up in a panic. The difference is that with Lachesis the fear is not a fear of death; it is rather a fear of suffocation because they cannot breathe. It results from a momentary paralysis of the vagus nerve as they were falling asleep. Aconitum has a fear of death that occurs ten to fifteen minutes after falling asleep. Pay special attention to these differences because one can easily confuse remedies with similar symptomatology. In Aconitum the subconscious fears surface as sleep removes the control of the logical mind. Aconitum has a subconscious mind loaded with fears. These fears surface suddenly with such an intensity that the person jumps up from bed "in a panic," trembling and anxious, feeling that he is about to die. Another possible explanation for this symptom is that since Aconitum has an aggravation from heat, the panic state is provoked as the person becomes warm in bed. Sometimes these fears will appear as nightmares — awful nightmares — instead of the symptom just described. Another condition that can be encountered in Aconitum is a state of paralysis on waking (Phosphorus, Lachesis, Sulphur, Medorrhinum); they are unable to move their extremities and subsequently become extremely panicky. The Fear of Earthquakes Aconitum is the remedy most affected by earthquakes, and it is an interesting and very apt simile that the internal state of Aconitum is like that of an earthquake. The internal circulatory system is in such a turmoil that it is as if an earthquake is occurring inside the body. Sometimes the sensation of an internal earthquake is so strong that these patients may wake up from sleep with a feeling that there is an actual earthquake taking place and that the ceiling may fall on them. There is a tremendous commotion inside these patients; it can be so intense in the chronic Aconitum patient that it becomes terrifying for the practitioner to behold. The Fear at Twilight I have seen Aconitum cases that have suffered a state of agony every evening at twilight. They would experience intense fear and would sob so intensely that the sounds resembled the barking of a dog. One case I encountered was so terrified that she was unable to voice any of her feelings during the crisis because of her anxiety; she could only sob and sobbed so loudly that she could be heard in the neighbors' apartments. One such crisis was actually witnessed as it occured while her case was being taken; it was a terrifying experience. One of the times of aggravation for Aconitum patients is twilight, and the aggravation may continue until midnight. The Confusion The Aconite patient will complain that ideas haunt him, and that he cannot get rid of them. His mind is veny active, but he will say that his attention is distracted while reading, and that thought seems to cease. He cannot finish a half-written idea without great effort. On attempting to think of one thing, another intrudes, followed by another and so on. There may be a stupid feeling in the head, as if there were a board before the forehead; or he may say that he cannot think, that ideas seem to come from the stomach. Such patients suffer from diminished intellectual power, and cannot perform even light mental work. They can also suffer from weakness of memory. They may feel that what they have just done was a dream, and be scarcely able to recall what it was. The inability to continue long at one thing may be accompanied by impatience; the patient throws himself about, constantly changing position, unable to think or perform even the slightest mental labor, with an unusual distraction of ideas. The Alternating States The Aconite mood can alternate between laughter and crying; at one time he is gay, at another gloomy; he may be excited, or sit buried in thought; at times he seems to weep, and at times he sings. Now he is perfectly conscious, now raving. There may be alternate attacks of opposite moral symptoms. The patient sometimes doubts he will recover, while at other times he is full of hope. The Delirium In Aconite the delirium is characterized by worry, fear, raving, and sometimes unconsciousness. In this state the Aconite patient may cry out, with a staring look, with convulsive motions, with great heat in the face, dilated pupils or convulsions, speaking in a childish, nonsensical way and being extravagantly gay or talking about death. At night he raves, springs out of bed and may imagine that he is driving sheep. He may be quarrelsome, with constantly varying delirium, imagining his thoughts come from the stomach or that parts of his body are abnormally thick. There is the feeling that what has just been done was a dream. Insanity and maniacal delirium follow. During the convulsions there is loss of consciousness. The delirious patient lies in a stupid condition, with eyes closed and twitching of the facial muscles, while the mouth is tight, without power of speech. Comatose states may also be found in Aconite. The Irritability The Aconite individual may have an angry disposition, be quarrelsome, morose and peevish and desire to be alone. She makes reproaches, takes every joke in bad part, is irascible and fretful, and inclined to be irritated over trivial matters. In this state she shuns people, dislikes to talk and answers laconically yes or no. She has no affection for anybody, is morose, misanthropic, peevish and of a malicious mood. Such an individual may also have anthropophobia. The slightest noise is unbearable, and the irritability may be accompanied by over-sensitiveness to light and touch. For instance, in cases of otitis, the patient does not want to be touched. He screams with pain at slightest touch. In cases of depression the patient will not be touched or uncovered. It is apparent that Aconitum states can include a wide range of symptomatology. Symptoms can vary from relatively mild tachycardias, arrhythmias, numbness, tinglings, etc. to fears, phobias, tremendous panic and, finally, coldness, extreme prostration and collapse with blueness and coldness of the whole body. The Aconite Baby and Child A few observations about Aconitum children may prove helpful. They can be subject to sudden anger, fits of rage and nightly enuresis, this occurring if one or both of the parents behave aggressively or if the child has a fright. Aconitum can also be helpful in convulsions after a sudden nervous shock or in convulsions of teething children with jerks and twitches of single muscles, high fever, hot and dry skin; the child gnaws its fists, frets and screams and cries violently,with convulsive twitching of the facial muscles The remedy is often used in newborns for asphyxia, apoplectic symptoms, hot, purplish, pulseless breathlessness; icterus; ophthalmia; vomiting of blood, with bloody stools; retention of urine from the shock of birth or the sudden coldness of the new external environment. When suffering painful affections, Aconitum children will feel the pain so intensely that they tend to protect the painful part with their hands. During a cystitis for instance the children reach with their hands to the genitals and cry out. The whole body is sensitive to touch; the child will not allow itself to be moved; it whines. It is important for the student of homeopathy/ to understand that a case that needs Aconitum will be cured in an impressive way only by this remedy alone; no other remedy can replace it, be it an acute or a chronic case. Do not hesitate to prescribe it if the symptoms agree in any case no matter how severe its pathology may appear to be. I repeat, the information given by old masters that Aconitum is indicated only in the beginning stages of acute conditions is totally misleading. Characteristics of Aconitum as they appear in the General Systems Some general remarks: It is important to understand the remedies in their general action upon the human organism and apply this understanding to the diseases being treated. One should avoid the trap of getting stuck on little details and instead try to perceive the general image of the patient, then prescribe correspondingly. The student of homeopathy should make sure that he knows a wide range of homeopathic remedies before attempting to make a differential diagnosis; otherwise he will tend to see in all of his patients the characteristics of the few remedies he knows. Generalities Physical and mental restlessness. Most of the symptoms are accompanied by shivering and anxiety. Nervous excitability. Trembling and tendency to palpitation. Aconite will be indicated in cases of epilepsy or convulsions when you see a picture like the following: loud lamentations; body rigid and bent backward; fists clenched across throat; gnashing of teeth; eyes drawn up spasmodically under lids; the limbs are distorted with spasms; jerks of left leg or arm, grinding teeth; comatose; restless, moaning. Convulsions of whole body worse towards noon time. Sudden and great sinking of strength. Great muscular weakness, weariness, prostration, almost total inability to stand. Feeling very drowsy, languid and unable to rise from couch; obliged to discontinue all work; system feels prostrated with sense of inward fever. He loses his ability to stand, must sit down. Numbness, tingling more on left side. Numbness and tingling over the body. Faintness on attempting to sit up. Pains intolerable; more so at night. Stitches in the forehead, back, sides of chest, back of hands, and other parts, as if he stood on the isolated plate of an electrical machine, and one took sparks from him. Very fine stinging, or stinging burning pains in many parts, as if seated in the skin, sometimes combined with a sense of heaviness, numbness, or swelling. Tearing, cutting, wandering pains. Burning through all the mucous membranes. Neuralgia with congestions, from dry cold air or checked sweat. Pains are intolerable to the extent that they drive him crazy. As if bruised or beaten in different parts. Has but little effect on disorganized blood-globules, hence seldom useful in true typhoid states. Acts more on arterial system. Plethora; active capillary congestions (from overactive serous membranes). Local congestions and inflammations. Neuritis, with tingling. Complaints in joints: shooting, cramp, cracking, loss of power; drawing in joints and aponeuroses. Acute rheumatism, much fever, restlessness and anxiety; swellings of joints which are red and hot or pale; shifting from one point to another; especially if caused by suddenly checked sweat or by dry cold air or winds. Common colds with high fever in the very beginning. Muscular rheumatism with high fever. Palpitation of the heart and anxiety, and increased heat of the body, especially in the face. Palpitation of the heart with great anxiety; oppression of the breathing and great weariness in all the limbs; it rises from thence into the head, and she is as if stupefied from flying redness in the face. Wounds painfully sensitive after surgical operations; fever. Shock from injury or surgical operations. Children's diseases; with high fever. Contraindicated in fevers which bring out eruptions, unless there is agonizing tossing with dry skin. Tendency to apoplectic congestion; plethora. Sensitiveness to fresh air. All the symptoms of having caught cold. Remarkable degree of sensitiveness to the least draught of cold air. From a fall or concussion; face pale or red, but no stupor. Apoplexy or apoplectic congestions. Head feels dull, stupefied. Dull, stupid; pressure outwards, aggravated on sitting up; with anxiety and fear of death. Alternate stupefaction and restlessness, with mild delirium twitchings, starts as in a fright, pulse frequent. Stupor, with cold feet. Aggravations and Ameliorations: Anxious restlessness, finding no comfort in any position. Worse from dry cold or from becoming overheated. Worse from motion, like Bryonia, but in Aconitum the restlessness usually reigns and forces the patient to move despite the fact that he is aggravated by motion. Better in open air; worse lying on affected side, from music, from tobacco-smoke. Worse at twilight and in the hours following until 11 or 12 midnight; also worse from 10 P.M. until 4 A.M. Worse after fright. Worse from touch, especially in fevers where the whole body is in pain. The patient has an aversion to being touched and is aggravated by touch because of the pain. There is decided relief from any kind of discharge; such as, vomiting, diarrhea, perspiration, free flow of menses, leucorrhea, etc. … …. …. …. Missed pages …… CLINICAL Anxiety states. Common colds. Inflammatory conditions. Measles. Encephalitis. Meningoencephalitis. Endocarditis. Pericarditis. Acute arthritis. Neuritis. Pneumonia. Peritonitis. Pleurisy. Gastritis. Conjuctivitis. CAUSATION Fear. Fright. Chill. Cold, dry winds. Heat, especially of sun. Injury. Surgical operation. Shock. RELATIONSHIPS Compare Aconitum with Belladona, Coffea and Lachesis. Compare also with: Aconitine - Heavy feeling as of lead; pains in supraorbital nerve; ice-cold sensations creep up; hydrophobia symptoms. Tinnitus aurium 3x. Tingling sensation. Aconitum It is complementary to Arnica, Coffea and Sulphur. Arnica can complement its action, especially in injuries. Similar to Belladona, which can be antidoted by Aconitum, if one is not careful. ANTIDOTES When taking Aconitum, vegetable acids and wines, as well as other alcoholic stimulants, should be avoided. It is antidoted by Acetic acidum, Alcohol, Paris quadhfolium, Belladona, Berberis, Coffea, Nux vomica, Sulphur and Vinum. It antidotes Belladona, Chamornilla, Coffea, Nux vomica, Petroleum, Sepia, Spongia and Sulphur. DOSAGE Aconitum seems to be active in all the potencies from the very low to the very high. In the Centre of Homeopathic Medicine in Athens experience has shown that the very high potencies act well and for long periods of time, especially in chronic cases and cases of anxiety neurosis. According to Hahnemann: "In measles, in purpura miliaris, and in the acute pleuritic fevers, &c, its curative power is marvellous, when, the patient being kept rather cool, it is given alone, all other medicinal substances, even vegetable acids, being avoided, in the dose of a thousandth part of a drop of the decillionth development of power. It is seldom that a second similar dose is required thirty-six or forty-eight hours after the first." Index |


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No matter how well the one armed man's wife treats him - he will only have one arm. Wheat works a little differently. It is possible with a lot of TLC for wheat to regenerate - compensating for early loses. It is possible but not probable for a total recovery. The challenge - price wise - is there is a lot of supply for most wheat types. Damage to Hard red winter wheat could allow its futures price to earn its carry. But will be hard pressed for a better move unless hard red spring wheat, here and/or in Canada, has a good stubble. High protein wheat will demand premiums. Ninety plus percent of soft white winter wheat (SWWW) is grown in Oregon, Washington and Idaho. That cropâ?s production could be hurt enough to move it to rationing mode. About half of SWWW is exported - mostly to Asia. There have been indications that Soft Red Winter Wheat (SRWW) has picked up that demand in the past. The gulf SRWW basis might be indicating that increased demand. Europeâ?s big crop will limit east coast exports allowing SRWW to find the feeding ration in the Carolinas. If wheat does not find its missing arm, wheat prices, could stabilize and grind higher. This might be mildly supportive for corn. Freeport, IL
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Pam, Forbes carried a very informative report on neonics. The tone of the report was that when politics trumps science we all loose. The EU has banned neonics due to public pressure but allows farmers to substitute organophosphates which are many times more deadly to bees. The report goes on to site mites as the major cause of CCD and also questions the practice of sending 2/3 of our honeybee colonies to California for almond blossoms in Feb. before the colonies have a chance to come out of hibernation and reproduce with healthy new bees. Also reported is the census of increasing bee colony populations that doesn't correlate with the introduction and use of neonics. Apparently the EPA noticed these things and decided in February to not ban neonics. EPA also concluded that there is no evidence of neonics on soybean seed adding to the farmers' bottom line.
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Curt that's a good synopsis of what I understand too. The value of nenonic seed treatments on soybeans depends on where you live to a certain extent. Southern growers have higher pest pressures. I will say that I've seen dramatic in-field examples of how helpful they can be with managing bean leaf beetle in the Midwest. Still, that's not an every year pest in my neck of the woods. One thing that does concern me are hints of nenonic in water. Bees drink more water than might be realized. Have you seen much written about that? One thing that makes writing about bees difficult and sometimes confusing is the pollinator services is quite different business from keeping bees that are not moved. They have challenges unique to that industry for sure.
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Spring Weed Race
Keep it clean this spring to prevent yield losses.
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Friday 04/03/15
Untangle Traits
Sort through the alphabet soup of traits on those seed tags. Knowing what's in the bag helps juggle traits and avoid market access issues.
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Monday 03/23/15
Last Call on EPA Rules
The EPA extended the public comment period on its proposed rules for Bt-corn users and here's why all farmers -- not just those with rootworm problems -- should take the time to read them and comment.
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Tuesday 03/17/15
Avoid Dust-Off to Protect Bees
Are you "bee-ing" a farm-friendly neighbor? There are things to do to help your beekeeping community this spring.
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Monday 02/23/15
Planting is a Precise Art
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Wednesday 02/11/15
Will We Swallow GE Potatoes?
Acres of genetically engineered crops continue to grow, but so do consumer concerns. Farmers need a voice in the discussion.
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Pam: I am involved in both grain and beef operations. I have put much thought into the issue of GMOs, and I must say, that I remain skeptical of their future. I have seen many food developments over the years and have always been skeptical of so-called "scientific foods." I have successfully predicted the mediocre acceptance, or actual demise, of so many scientific foods over the years. As a young college student, I took an early stand against cyclamates. They are now gone. I have been skeptical of aspartame, and that sweetener has stagnated if not bombed in the marketplace. When the much-touted Olestra came out, I predicted it would be a huge market failure...and it is. Most recently, I predicted the demise of rBGH, and most of the dairy suppliers in my area have abandoned the hormone supplement. Pam, I see the same fate for GMOs. Most of my partner farmers do not use GMOs...and my farmers are outstanding, well-informed, and highly educated professionals. I predict by the end of the decade, GMOs will be on the way out of our food supplies. When consumers become informed, the will vote with their dollars and avoid GMO foods.
Posted by tom vogel at 9:12PM CST 02/12/15
I agree whole heartedly with you Pam - farmers need to educate themselves so they can help educate the public. Several are already doing this with on- line social networks. I've prided myself in knowing a lot about GMOs but just learned this past week that Bt only works on alkaline guts, not the acid guts of mammals and humans. With the folly of vaccine paranoia, we now have an open door to doubt the anti-science community. Add to that the governments change of position on cholesterol and acceptance of eggs as a dietary benefit. Most consumers don't want/don't understand scientific lingo. We have to approach the GMO concern from another angle. The fact that millions of wildlife and livestock flourish on GMOs gives pause to consider. National Geographic has accepted GMOs as a necessity to deal with endless pests and pesticides. Nat Geo believes GMOs will help feed mega-billions of people in the future. Then there's the anti-corp crowd that can be silenced with the the Golden Rice story. Golden Rice was developed with a beta-carotene gene from corn by non-corporate interests. Radical anti-science groups destroyed and propagandized against Golden Rice even though it would have prevented blindness in millions of children. I ask anti-GMO people if they want to be a part of that?! Then there's the fact that over 1,000 plant and genetic scientists have given GMOs a clean bill of health. Ask the anti-GMO person if they believe 1,000 scientists claiming man-made global warming. The list of support goes on and on, but the challenge is to deal with people who are susceptable to paranoia in the first place.
Posted by Curt Zingula at 7:35AM CST 02/13/15
BTW Tom, don't I recall that you were switching over to padding your pockets with organic produce dollars? People like to point at corporations benefiting from GMO dollars but ignore that the organic industry is 62 billion dollars strong. Kudos to those of you who figured out how to sell yourselves as holy-than-thou but at the same time make it difficult for the 46+ million people who already need food aid to afford what you grow!!
Posted by Curt Zingula at 7:40AM CST 02/13/15
Curt: I am not certified organic and don't intend to be such. However, my partner farmers and I attempt to avoid the GMOs. A lot of my thinking has developed over the years as I have learned to listen to the wisdom of my Amish farmer friends. I may be proven wrong, and I do recognize that food volumes must increase, but I am not convinced GMOs are the way to go. Ultimately it will be consumers who make these decisions, just as they have with rBGH...which they obviously don't like.
Posted by tom vogel at 7:57AM CST 02/13/15
Boy o boy, Tom. Wisdom from those who do not accept many modern practices, but hide behind the barn to talk on their cell-phone. I thought I had heard all.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 7:48PM CST 02/13/15
It gets better Bonnie, The Atlantic published an article (against GMOs) that an Amish boy discovered that good soil fertility leads to good plant health and that in turn reduces/eliminates the need for genetic engineering. Kudos to the Atlantic for realizing that the public is stupid about agronomy and scare tactics work.
Posted by Curt Zingula at 7:01AM CST 02/14/15
The Atlantic article appeared on Facebook. I responded to it with some common sense and a friend of the person who posted it responded back with a graph showing that increased Roundup use matches the linear uptrend with the increase of world wide disease. I'm not real good at cut and paste or I would have attached the graph showing how well the increase in organic sales matches with autism!!
Posted by Curt Zingula at 7:12AM CST 02/14/15
I think that in regard to GMO food, Americans are taking a page from the European anti-GMO playbook (or the whole playbook for that matter). What most advocates of "safe science" and GE traits in food plants and animals is that they ignore the science that exists alongside the GMO- antiGMO debate. The science of psychology. While psychology uses statical methods itself, the irony is that the fear and skepticsim in the human brain and mind doesn't use the "second standard deviation." Put together with the trend that more and more consumers are perceiving that they are always "being sold something" and more general mistrust (the government records our phone calls) it should not be hard to see that advertising and "education" are becoming a tough sell.
Posted by Lonnie Leake at 1:51PM CST 02/14/15
I think what is really missing is balance. Why is it that one is right and the other wrong. Usually when I see comments about GMO's all I see is bickering. Its to bad. I'm pretty sure not every new biotech food is safe. And I'm pretty sure the GMO's are not going anywhere they are here to stay. Intention is every thing. If we make food to help people in third world countries be able to access nutrients that's good intentions I think. If we make GMO's so we can spray carcinogens on them so we can control weeds and insects. Poison is poison I don't care what anyone says. I am a farmer and some times I burn off in the spring with round up, then herbicide, fungicide and desiccate with round up again. That's lots of carcinogens on one crop. So I hope the consumer educates them selves and starts to pay attention to what how and why the crop is being modified. Because intention is everything in my opinion.
Posted by MICHAEL BOISSONNEAULT at 11:17PM CST 02/18/15
All this is food for thought. Thank's Pam and Commenters
Posted by Raymond Haas at 11:13AM CST 02/19/15
Some of the issues get cloudy, such as genetic engineering of traits native to the plant, such as it appears is the case with potatoes versus transgenetics using non-native genetics. The disconnect that I see is that many people opposed to GMO are passionate advocates for the science behind anthropogenic global warming. But then farmers want to appeal to science to defend GMOs yet reject the science for global warming! :). Me, I'm skeptical of the science claims for both!
Posted by LeeFarms at 12:09PM CST 02/19/15
I'm enjoying this dialogue--keep it coming. We now have apples to throw into the GE discussion. I had a fascinating discussion with the Arctic apple folks this week. Stay tuned.
Posted by Pamela Smith at 7:58AM CST 02/20/15
"You are what you eat!" is the old saying. I personally choose to avoid any genetically modified foods and crops. Everything was created perfect and we have destroyed it. I don't know if GE crops have caused the increase in cancer but I can guarantee that there will never be a cure! There is too much money made off of it. As for GE crops, they won't go away either until there is proof they are harmful. Two decades or 20 years is not long enough to prove safety. It will take generations! I am glad that there are two sides to all this debating. Someday one side will find out which side failed, They will be the ones still living! Monsanto and the others own the ag communities and the farmers HAVE to do what they say to plant their crops. But really its all about money. My advise is do your own homework, form your own opinion, and keep an open mind. This is part of the free world. I'm glad that not all people think like I do. However, while some farmers are getting $3.50 for a bushel of corn there are others receiving $11.00 a bushel for corn. One last comment to fuel your fire!! Why are we trying to feed the world cheep food? It should be that we are trying to provide the healthiest food at a reasonable price, and if we are trying to feed the world, then why do we care about ethanol? It appears to me that we are trying to starve the world so we can put their food in our gas tanks.
Posted by edward bowman at 7:09AM CDT 03/24/15
Tuesday 01/13/15
New Year, New Weeds
Two new weeds, burcucumber and toothed spurge, are causing problems for many Missouri farmers (and at least one Missouri gardener).
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Tuesday 12/30/14
Year for Record Books
Good yields dominated the landscape with a few slaps from Mother Nature. The challenge for 2015 will be balancing inputs in a weaker market.
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Wednesday 12/10/14
Need To Bee Accurate
A news story had the wires buzzing Tuesday afternoon after a report that EPA was set to restrict the use of neonicotinoids, but it turned out to be incorrect.
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Wednesday 12/03/14
Monsanto Wants to be Part of the Conversation
The Monsanto Company has launched a new consumer-focused campaign in an effort to improve its image with consumers.
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I'm not particularly in love with Monsanto but this Monsanto hate thing has gone too far! While my wife and I were biking in Colorado this summer, a retired couple and their son stopped to rest and talk with us. Upon learning that we farmed the son immediately asked if we did business with Monsanto. When my wife replied "yes" the guy groaned, shook his head in disgust and rode off. I guess its gotten to the point we farmers have to hide what we do for a living.
Posted by Curt Zingula at 8:17AM CST 12/05/14
Curt--I've had the same experience in all kinds of scenarios. Yet, when I ask the same individuals about other companies that participate in genetic engineering, for example, they seem shocked. Why is it so easy to be negative and against? Thanks for the feedback.
Posted by Pamela Smith at 10:23AM CST 12/06/14
The debate mentioned above can be watched at: http://fora.tv/2014/12/03/Genetically_Modify_Food
Posted by Pamela Smith at 5:32AM CST 12/10/14
Part of their image problem stems from the fact that the Big M wants to own so much of the future profits of anyone connected to them.
Posted by Vince Moye at 6:43AM CST 12/10/14
Guess what Monsanto no matter what lies you try to portray to the consumer will only expose how power hungry and money hungry your corporation really is. Why don't you explain the enormous amount of tech fees that are l involved with your products that are paid for by the producer and the consumer. Also your involvement in destroying rain forests all over the world for more "safe food production" is out of control, will there ever be enough? So setting up shops in South America, Russia, Ukraine etc. will only result in overproduction and cheap commodity prices for the producers with the USDA on top of markets with "REPORTS" that only benefit corporations and not consumers. Be honest for a change the lies are getting old.
Posted by DAVID/KEVIN GRUENHAGEN at 9:05AM CST 01/28/15
Wednesday 11/26/14
Dow's Gutsy Decision
Dow's decision to launch Enlist offers some hand-selected growers a chance to test drive new technology.
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Any idea what the actual loss per bu. per year would be to corn growers in the Syngenta law suit? I think we all got shot in the foot over that issue! Plus it just gave the Chinese cheaper corn! They are shrewd!
Posted by Roger Cooper at 8:45AM CST 12/02/14
Roger--thanks for the question. NGFA says its 11 cents per bushel â? thatâ?s what most of the lawsuits are based on.
Posted by Pamela Smith at 12:06AM CST 12/05/14
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Rough outings have been few and far between for Chris Sale during his dominant and injury-shortened season. His last start, when he allowed four earned runs in six innings, qualifies as one for the American League Cy Young Award candidate.
The left-hander will try to bounce back from the rare rough day when his White Sox finish a three-game series against the Rangers on Wednesday afternoon at U.S. Cellular Field.
"I just was kind of erratic," Sale said after his last start. "Fastball command wasn't really there at all the whole night."
Sale (10-1), whose 2.09 ERA ranks behind only Felix Hernandez in the American League, had only allowed four earned runs in a start one other time this season. Facing last-place Texas is an opportunity for Sale to get back on track.
But Nick Tepesch, who's getting the start for the Rangers after missing his last turn with a knee injury, won't be fazed by the pitcher on the mound opposite him. Tepesch (3-7) had struggled before skipping a start, going 0-4 with a 7.15 ERA. There's nothing he can do, though, if Sale returns to his usual dominant self.
"I'm not worried about who I am pitching against," Tepesch said. "It's the opposing lineup."
White Sox: Chicago suffers another blowout
Before Sunday, the White Sox hadn't allowed more than 12 runs in any game this season. On Sunday, they surrendered 16 to the Twins. Two days later, the Rangers piled on 16 more.
The Rangers jumped ahead early with three runs in the opening frame and four more in the second. After scoreless third and fourth innings, Texas scored two more in the fifth, another in the sixth and broke out for four more in the seventh.
By the end of the day, designated hitter Adam Dunn was on the mound for Chicago and the White Sox had suffered a 16-0 loss.
Rangers: Odor to sit, Andrus to play against Sale
Manager Ron Washington is planning to sit rookie second baseman Rougned Odor on Wednesday afternoon against Sale. Washington doesn't want to have Odor go up against a pitcher who has held left-handed hitters to a .125 average this season.
So Adam Rosales will likely start at second base. Elvis Andrus, a right-handed hitter, is going to start at shortstop. Andrus is 0-for-15 in his career against Sale, but Washington wants all the right-handed hitters he can get into the lineup.
"And if he doesn't get a hit, he'll be 0-for-19 against him," Washington said. "But he's going to play."
Rosales is 5-for-9 with two home runs in his career against Sale, tied for his most against any pitcher. Rosales also has two off Baltimore's Brian Matusz.
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• Rangers right fielder Alex Rios is hitting .333 in day games, sixth best in the American League.
• The Rangers are 14-17 in day games.
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Read more »Researchers study how a traditional Chinese mushroom helps cancer patients strengthen their immune systems in a $5.4 million investigation.
Read more »Penny Simkin, the namesake of Bastyr University's Simkin Center for Allied Childbirth Vocations, helped give birth to the doula profession and has remained a frontrunner in serving childbearing women ever since.
Read more »A little physical activity goes a long way at maintaining the brain health of seniors.
Read more »Veterans at Bastyr plan to use their counseling and healing skills to help other military members returning from service.
Read more »Acupuncture and Oriental medicine students train in busy Chinese hospitals on the annual fall externship.
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