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Adding another code path and making users have to chose whether or not they want KMS is just stupid. Just fix older hardware to work with KMS. You have all the documentation and examples of old working drivers.
Phoronix: Intel's GEM-Free UMS Driver Still Doesn't Fix Things
Towards the end of last month we reported on GEM-free UMS support for the Intel driver that was worked on by Intel's Chris Wilson to hopefully address the stability issues and other problems that have challenged owners of old Intel i8xx hardware running the newer Intel driver stack, which is presently limited to kernel mode-setting support with GEM (the Graphics Execution Manager) memory management. However, it seems the work invested into adding back user-space mode-setting support to the Intel driver without the kernel memory management still doesn't resolve the i8xx issues at hand...
Adding another code path and making users have to chose whether or not they want KMS is just stupid. Just fix older hardware to work with KMS. You have all the documentation and examples of old working drivers.
I think you have it backwards. You cannot fix the older hardware... it's already released and cannot be changed. Maybe you can fix the driver, but:Just fix older hardware to work with KMS.
Well there is very little documentation over modesetting. On those older Intel stuff they left much of the implementation details up to the particular motherboard manufacturer. So a lot of the stuff is specific to specific motherboards and laptops.You have all the documentation and examples of old working drivers.
Normally I would agree with you 100% that there should not be multiple code paths and users should not be forced to choose. In this case the drivers and kernel should automatically use the older cruddy drivers on this older cruddy hardware.
All I can say is that the Intel 8xx stuff is just intensely bad. It's REALLY REALLY Bad. Even when it was new it was terrible and 3D stuff never worked right in any OS. The GMA stuff was a godsend for people depending on low-cost Intel hardware.
It's worse then "Windows ME" bad.
It's one thing to have new changes to drivers break support for older hardware... that is bad. But when the older hardware never worked right in the first place then it's much less tragic.
If your using this older hardware then give up and buy new stuff. Turn your old laptop into something useful like a low-power file server or router or something. The 915 even though it's fairly ancient now is still massive improvement over the 'Extreme Blaster' series of Intel stuff.
If you cannot then just use the VESA drivers and give up on hardware acceleration. It's not like there really is much of a difference with it enabled in the best of times.
im just wondering if there are no problems when switching to UMS and no GEM when the actual plans of distributions is to make X root free. i thought that was one of the biggest advantages of KMS and GEM.
it seems as if there are only few people left hacking on drivers. otherwise i wouldnt understand sentences like:
i ve got a i945 and am quite happy with it. no troubles at all so far. well some websites with maps and objects on it with animaion and stuff renders the hardware acceleration performing rather bad.If your using this older hardware then give up and buy new stuff.
but supertuxkart for instance does work ok.
theres just something funny: glxgears stuggles hard for frames. but only when using in window. and not moving the mouse. if you move the mouse or expand the window to max the frame ratev doubles, gets stable and the gears run fluently.
gallium seems not to be an option for i8xx does it?
855GME worked flawlessly in Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic
But I'm unable to get a working configuration in Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid. Whenever a video is played the whole thing just crashes.
Flawlessly? Do you mean 2D and video or are you including 3D as well? I can't remember a recent release of Ubuntu that didn't require some kind of tweaks for Intel (and I also have a 855GME)
That being said... considering I have 10.10, running .34 and Intel 2.11 with stable 2D and OK enough video, and even 3D works for a while ... I can't believe these issues are not un-fixable.
Especially considering I really just want low power 3D - enough for my desktop and some games like World Of Goo...
So why would I abandon my hardware? It's working just fine for 90% of what this machine needs to do.
BTW... before they 'kill it with fire', I'd love to see some real statistics of how many people are still using 855 hardware. Considering how much hardware is more than fast enough, I would find it really hard to believe that there isn't considerable 855 hardware still in use out there (ie, abandoning it seems misguided)


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Okay, I want to find the pieces of information from the Fanbooks/Databooks. Is there any way to search, for example "First Fanbook", and get all the pages that have "First Fanbook" in their refferences?Patsoumas1995 (talk) 12:49, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Movie jutsu?
Why aren't the jutsus from the movies added in the infobox? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 23:17, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's because movies are one of the least canon media for this franchise and they, like the games, tend to take a lot of liberties with the characters. So in order to get some level of streamline/uniformity they're omitted from the infoboxes.--Cerez365™(talk) 23:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
How can I search, for example, Naruto's jutsus from the movies (or the video games)? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 23:33, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
- In his infobox, you can click "jutsu" which will carry you to a drilldown of all his techniques. You can customise that page to search for all the jutsu from whichever movie it is that you want (I think) or you can just go to the movie's article and see the list of techniques.--Cerez365™(talk) 23:41, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks! Patsoumas1995 (talk) 23:48, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Kekkei Genkai symbols
Would it mind if we would add the nature transformation or kekkei genkai symbols in the pages as well? I think it would add more flair to some pages, as they're quite empty (like Steel or Swift release, for example). Derigar (talk) 05:32, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Images are added to page only when those have enough text to balance them out. Those two are quite short pages. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:14, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
Also short pages, and they have images already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:51, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hi... So, I am starting a new wiki, a fanon wiki for the anime Magico, and I wanted to know how did you guys do that whole TagSync thing to obtain the infoboxes. Is it something manual or do I go somewhere and get it done?
Davidchola2 (talk) 17:33, April 22, 2012 (UTC)Davidchola2
why are episodes 257 - 260 of naruto shippuden repeats from the original naruto series? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:34, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
They are called "Filler episodes". As you have probably noticed each episode consists of several chapters, and they both come weekly. If the episodes followed only the main plot, it would come to a moment where there weren't more chapters to animate. Filler arcs are the necessary time for manga to escape the anime. Hope you understood. --Vecanoi (talk) 20:44, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
They are more likely "recap episodes" not filler episodes. —This unsigned comment was made by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) .
I know the front page says: "Be warned that the wiki is filled with SPOILERS about the Naruto series, read at your own risk." but for example there's currently the Edo Madara picture in "new files" ... one could not read the manga and just look at a description of a technique for example, and spoil it all for him/her by seeing material and things that have not yet appeared/were not revealed in the anime. Should not we make some spoiler protection like information that's not yet portrayed in anime would be "hidden" under "spoilers" tag or something ?--Elveonora (talk) 00:21, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
- You said it yourself; we tell people this wiki is full of spoilers, read at your own risk. No need to go through the hassle of separating info with spoiler tags and the like when we've already warned users what to expect.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:42, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations, the wiki is much more enjoyable with the new style. Now it seems she is more current. I bet everyone loved this new style. --JoaoKrauss (talk) 03:26, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, I like the new style. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:20, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, the new homepage looks much more modern than the old one that appeared as though nobody had touched it since 2005. --Speysider (Talk Page) 17:38, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Somewhat Like Bar Thingy
Should we change the color of the somewhat like 'bar' like the "poll" bar there? Should the color match with the color of the "Rules" 'bar'? —IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 16:37, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Links for Characters and Jutsu
I think we should change the links for the characters and jutsu part of the slideshow on the main page. To me, it would nicer looking if we linked it to an actual page. the jutsu one is obvious this one. I don't know if we have a good one for characters and the only one I can think of using is this but it doesn't have a link to any character pages like the one we already have. Joshbl56 19:02, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
- That could work. It's just a round-about way to end up at the same page though. The only issue is linking to the shinobi article when everyone in Naruto isn't a shinobi.--Cerez365™(talk) 19:53, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
- I like the links to the browsedata, makes it more in their face that wikia hasn't fixed things yet... — SimAnt 20:49, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
Main page redesign
I'm totally not affiliated with this Wiki, but I must say, when looking at the main page I was totally astonished with how much it had changed. In a good way! I just wanna say: "Good job! :D". Bereisgreat Shout! 13 edits on this Wiki 23:46, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you should be praised for making a such good innovation in your Wiki. Keep the good work, Narutopedia guys. (way to go, Cerez-san!) Guilherme Abe 02:46, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
What I like about this wiki
Guys, I am gonna state one of the things about Narutopedia I like the most. You tell the entire saga of the character in the series in their pages. In some other wikis, you have to go to each episode or chapter to know what happened next. Its very economical.Undominanthybrid (talk) 17:20, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Road to Naruto chapter
Hi is anyone going post information from that road to naruto chapter? I think that it shows a deeper understanding with the characters interactions and personalities, especially Hinata. —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Road to Naruto The Movie. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:16, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
naruto / nartuo: shippuden pic
Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to make a buttom (like the manga-anime buttoms) just with Naruto and Naruto: shippuden pictures? so that you don't have to go down the page to see the difference in the charecters. And of course only with those that have made a difference in aperrance.--Kasan94 (talk) 19:26, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Can you be a little more specific about these "buttons"? —White Flash. 19:28, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Well you know the buttons there are at some pics (not many any more), but there are some where you can shift the main picture of the page, between Anime pic, and manga pic. I'll try and find a page that have it. --Kasan94 (talk) 20:36, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Darui --Kasan94 (talk) 20:36, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
- You mean tabs. Possible? Yes. Will we do it? No. It's been long established that we show the character as that character was introduced. This means part 1 images for part 1 characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
- Ohh tabs will remember that. To bad then. --Kasan94 (talk) 20:09, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
- I think it would be a great idea to include both pre- and post-timeskip versions of characters on their pictures, utilising the tabs feature. Both the One Piece and Bleach Wikis on Wikia do so with their timeskips, and neither of the series are even divided into "parts" like Naruto is. I think it would more accurately portray the characters, while still being able to portray them as they were introduced. You could even default it to the Part 1 pictures, if it means that much to you. Just provide a tab to the Part 2 version, in addition.--ScruffyC (talk) 20:50, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Ohh tabs will remember that. To bad then. --Kasan94 (talk) 20:09, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
- You mean tabs. Possible? Yes. Will we do it? No. It's been long established that we show the character as that character was introduced. This means part 1 images for part 1 characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
Filterable jutsu/characters
What happened to filterable characters/jutsu? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:21, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Probably a bug due to the upgrade. --(Talk to me) 14:22, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Yep. It is either a problem on their end due to the upgrade, or on our end. If it's on Wikia's they have to fix whatever it is they broke. If it's on our end, we have to wait for Simant to come in use his Coding Magic to fix it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:24, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- But it was working till now. --(Talk to me) 14:31, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- OK guys, thanks for very fast reply! I hope they will bring back this option soon, because it was very useful to me. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:40, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- But it was working till now. --(Talk to me) 14:31, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Yep. It is either a problem on their end due to the upgrade, or on our end. If it's on Wikia's they have to fix whatever it is they broke. If it's on our end, we have to wait for Simant to come in use his Coding Magic to fix it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:24, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
New infobox issue
So that we don't get people posting the same thing on all the pages, in light of the new infobox issue (i don't know how long it will last) is there a way we can make a general announcement or message to let all the readers know that we're aware of the situation etc? --Cerez365™(talk) 17:49, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
Narutopedia?? narutowiki?? Eddy wijaya (talk) 07:47, August 10, 2012 (UTC)eddy wijaya
I'm trying to do those detailed searches where you can browse characters by gender, loyalty, classification, so on and so forth. The part where choose that is missing so is there something broken on the site? —This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .Mac
- Yes. Site is broken due to an update. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:28, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Cerez, do you have any idea when the type icons are going to be restored? Thanks mate :) Derigar (talk) 17:36, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
- That would require compatibility between the MediaWiki engine version 1.19 and the negref extension used in that part of the infobox. I don't know if the extension is actively developed, or if there is something in Wikia's end that can be changed to restore compatibility. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:16, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Does this mean that every symbol entering that box will become glitched, or only the one's we're using currently? Derigar (talk) 16:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't have to do with the image, but with the way the image is inserted in the infobox. For example, the Lava Release icon should appear twice in the Mizukage's infobox, once in the kekkei genkai field, and once in the nature transformation field. It shows up in the first, but not in the second. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Does this mean that every symbol entering that box will become glitched, or only the one's we're using currently? Derigar (talk) 16:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
Mess on Kurama's page
Thier is a major problem on Kurama's page.—This unsigned comment was made by Super side swiper (talk • contribs) .
- There is a major problem everywhere. Sign your posts please.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:46, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
Poll Results
Where can we see them? 18.104.22.168 (talk)
Character Tabs
so I have been seeing some people ask for the profile pictures of the characters to be updated to the Shippuden ones and they have been told no because you guys want the picture of when the character was first introduced so that everyone would know who it is which is understandable but my question is if maybe you could make like a Original Series Picture Tab showing them from the Original Series and then a Shippuden Tab showing there picture from Shippuden (or if you will a Pre-timeskip and Post-timeskip button) so that the characters can be represented in both forms in case the Shippuden form is more known than the Original for someone or whatever (I know the Bleach Wiki does this and I have seen a few other Wikis that do like a Pre-Timeskip and Post-Timeskip tab for there characters to show changes that have occured during the x amount of years that went by in the media [in this case 2 1/2 years]. to put it more simply (I know that was long and somewhat confusing) basically a tab that contains the original Naruto series Picture (like 12-13 year old Naruto) and then a Post-Timeskip Tab (featuring a picture of 15-16 year old Naruto) that way both forms are there in the picture section and people can change it at will to suit whichever form they are more familiar with. just a thought. Lordofninjas1 (talk) 23:23, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
- This wiki's said no to that for a while now. It's not going to kill anyone to scroll down a bit to see a "post-timeskip" image.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
can I ask why besides "it wont kill someone to scroll down to see the picture" that you wont do it because that doesnt really answer the question or say anything against it. it kinda seems like you are saying "we are lazy and dont want to do something that may take a little bit of time but will improve the site". I would like a legitimate answer to the question other than your proposed "we are lazy and dont want to do it" answer.
I am not trying to be or sound rude I am just stating an opinion.Lordofninjas1 (talk) 17:25, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
- So why there are Manga and Anime tabs, not just one image? It wouldn't kill anyone to scroll down a bit to see a Manga/Anime version... Falnin (talk) 19:50, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
- When the anime catches up to some event of the manga, we usually replace the manga image with the anime one. However, sometimes the anime does a botched job in showing something the way the anime did. That could be big things or small things. In those cases, we put both images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with "Lordofninjas1" here; it wouldn't kill you to put tabs on! You could even default it to the pre-timeskip image, if it means that much to you. That way, characters could more accurately be portrayed, AND could be portrayed as they were introduced. It makes more sense, and both the One Piece and Bleach wikis on Wikia display pre- and post-timeskip versions of their characters! And those series aren't even divided into a "Part 1" and "Part 2" like the Naruto manga! --ScruffyC (talk) 20:49, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- We're not the One Piece or Bleach Wiki. This is the Narutopedia. However, I have to agree that I can't see what the issue is adding both images, other than people being lazy. >_> --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel 21:03, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
So, Lordofninjas1 and ScruffyC in the same way it wouldn't kill us to do that, would it kill you to scroll down the article to see Part II images? Because I've yet to see either of you answer that question regardless of whether or not the people here are lazy. I don't recall coming here to answer to every whim of a reader. It's called compromise: learn some. Next I suppose people will be asking for an image of how people look as Edo Tensei or maybe we should just chuck the child, adolescence and old age pictures up there too. God forbid Kishimoto does another time skip on us or even worse that people spend two second to scroll...--Cerez365™(talk) 11:28, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't kill me to scroll down. I don't even care about that. I already know what characters look like in Part 2. But I think characters would be more accurately portrayed if we included both. I just don't see why not. I can see why we SHOULD, and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't. Therefore... the pros outweigh the cons (if there are any at all), the way I see it. And if the pros outweigh the cons, I think the decision should be made. --ScruffyC (talk) 00:58, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Spoiler tag please
I know this is your guys website and it warns against spoilers on the front page, I do not read the manga i can not get into black and white and i went to look up something about the hokage monument and had tobis identity spoiled for me in the trivia section.. Don't you guys think if you are going to have a massive spoiler like that to cover it up with one of those *SPOILER* things you click and then it shows the spoiler... Like i said i know it warns of spoilers on front page but that would really help... Basically had the last WTF moment of shippuden ruined for me because its ending soon :( —This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
- Wiki's don't have things called spoiler tags, those kind of things are found on forums and if we had a spoiler tag, we might as well put every single page in one. This wiki quite clearly says that there is spoilers so why would we hide spoilers ? --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel 18:42, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
- Everybody is at a different point in the series, it would require either putting tags on every single section or we could just warn you at the front door. — SimAnt 18:58, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Age Differentiation
how come that when you go to the page of kakashi you'll see that he was six when he became a chunnin but when you go to the page of obito you'll see that obito was nine when he participated the chunnin exam and that kakashi was promoted to chunnin after defeating might guy but they are the same age right? so who's story is correct?
Dogla91--126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:07, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
German Naruto-Wiki
Hello, this is the German Naruto-Wiki:
Please link us --220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:08, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
- For some reason, adding the interlink wiki isn't working. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Could you do that in the past? I thought you have to request it here.~ 01:10, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Never knew you had to request it. As far as I knew, all that was necessary was to add the code like there is for the current interlanguage links we have. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:34, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Could you do that in the past? I thought you have to request it here.~ 01:10, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
Error on mainpage
It's not over 4,785 articles, it's exactly 4,785 articles. Dinai (talk) 18:36, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
- The wiki is more than its content articles, it's also the talk pages and filterable lists (though those are regrettably broken at the moment). And that is standard text generated by the wiki engine, it's not something that we can overwrite, as far as I know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:06, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering how come Naruto never mentions that he's related to Tsunade, since Mito Uzumaki is Tsunade's grandmother and Naruto is Mito's grandson? SageModeBeatsEMS (talk) 19:11, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Because it hasn't been stated that Naruto's mother Kushina was related to Mito. They just came from the same clan. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:19, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Unknown Hyuga members
I know some of you don't really like unknown character pages, which is why i have made this page: [[1]]. What I wanna ask of you, is if might could get some better pics for these members, and also if you spot someone new. --Kasan94 (talk) 20:41, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
- If any one you can get better quality pictures of those i use it would be great. You can see them in my profile, if your are interested. --Kasan94 (talk) 19:26, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Idea for next poll, "What is your favorite Kekkei Genkai (Or Tōta), Zelwolf (talk) 05:04, October 27, 2012 (UTC)Zelwolf
Been about three months and stuff is still trashed.
Well... It's been since August that the missing pages have been gone. Doesn't seem like anything is going to be done about it...22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:24, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Rits
- There is nothing we can do about it.— UltimateSupreme ƒ(♫) 10:30 UTC, Tuesday, 6 November 2012
- I am very unfortunately aware of that.220.127.116.11 (talk) 12:07, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Rits
- Thats great.— UltimateSupreme ƒ(♫) 12:21 UTC, Tuesday, 6 November 2012
- I am very unfortunately aware of that.18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:07, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Rits