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With Windows gaming struggling I don't know why people think that Linux gaming will be successful.
Insert Windows CD > Install ... if you want to play games on your PC.
Phoronix: Unigine OilRush Barely Does 800 Sales To Date
While OilRush is the first Linux game using the Unigine Engine and it features impressive graphics (a second look), the pre-orders continue to be well below Unigine Corp's expectations and certainly what we would have expected as well...
With Windows gaming struggling I don't know why people think that Linux gaming will be successful.
Insert Windows CD > Install ... if you want to play games on your PC.
With a stupid and boring name like "OilRush" what did they expect?
This is why we can't have nice things.
I would have preordered it if I could get it for windows and linux. I don't understand why it is locked to one platform.
I would rather use linux full time. But right now that is not possible for me. If in the future it is I don't want to have to buy my games again.
1. Focus on the graphics.
2. Make sure it only runs well on less than 1% of the hardware out there.
3. Make sure it only runs well on less than .00000001% of hardware running Linux out there.
4. Profit!!
You would think that people would learn by EXAMPLE. Next time, look at something like World of Goo as a reasonable model.
well, part of the reason sales have been low is that nobody BUT Phoronix is covering Unigine news.
There's not been a peep of it on Kotaku, IGN, or Joystiq, the blogging / news sites most casual gamers go to. Most advertiser driven sites simply aren't interested in pushing games or tech that doesn't give them a paycheck of same kind.
Even HardOCP hasn't been covering Unigine... although their news feeds have improved in covering a wider range of tech subjects.
Boutique sites for hardcore gamers that aren't advertiser driven, like Gamenikkiinexile, haven't covered it either, although that example would be entirely my fault now wouldn't it.
I pre-ordered but I sure as hell am not recommending it to anyone else yet. Although it looks pretty, calling this a beta is a very long stretch.
- It always crashes when playing a game (usually 45 seconds or so after encountering the enemy)
- Keyboard focus is stolen - you cannot alt-tab out, the volume keys are ignored etc. The only way I have found to do these things is to exit the game completely
- It will need lots of play balancing
- There are random pauses and slow downs
- Multi-platform gamers have to pick a platform
- Yet another account with yet another password is created on yet another server using yet another payment processor
- No mention of DRM in the official materials, and a statement of "none" to my direct question. Things could change and I bought on good faith.
The reality is they need to get far closer to finishing the game. For example it shouldn't crash all the time. This cannot spread by word of mouth or recommendation until that is addressed and some of the other issues are improved.
The bottom line is that people buy finished products and they need to finish it. They are lucky that some people are prepared to pay early.
Don't think I've ever pre-ordered a game in my life. The reviews will hit the web, then I'll make a decision to buy. If they've got Oilrush right, sign me up. If it's a stinker, then there's other, probably better ways to support linux game development.
As for sticking in a windows CD to play games? Not a chance. That's hardly supporting linux game devs, is it?
Both Humble Indie Bundles showed that there's a market there, and hopefully it's a growing market.
I too am interested, but I don't really buy stuff without testing it out first.
I support linux gaming, but buying something just by looking at screenshots and "hoping for the best" I think is not the best model for using my money.


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The key reason why some Tibetans still show defiance towards the government is fundamentally an economic one. when young people can't enjoy the same opportunities as their counterparts in other parts of China, the usual turn-out is to look for a spiritual and revolutionary discourse.
Strategically, the Chinese government has got it right. As long as they keep the stick and carrot way of maintaining the stability of Tibetan region, while promoting the overall well-fare, the influence of Tibetan religion will be confined to a cultural sense.
The fact is that the Tibetans in China who show defiance towards the Chinese Government number only a few thousands. They represent less than 1% of the total number of Tibetans in China, who number around 6 million. And the proportion with respect to the total Chinese population is less than 0.0001%. As you know the total population in China is 1.34 billion. However, the western media blows out of proportion each and single incident involving these Tibetans so that the naive readers in the western countries have the impression that the disgruntled Tibetans represent the majority of the population in China. As you might know, more than 75% of the articles published by the western media on China revolve around Tibet and the Tibetans. And when a typical western journalists carries out an interview, he interviews solely the separatists Tibetans and therefore his published article inevitably gives the impression that the great majority of the Chinese population would welcome a separation of Tibet. Since the ordinary reader in the western countries is usually ignorant of the facts in China and too naive to see through the agenda of the journalist, he forms the impression that China is on the verge of disintegration.
I can not agree more!!
The first time I noted his eccentricity was a few years back when he bursted into his Gucci-bag and Prada-shoes Western paying audience announcing he is a true Maoist. He then went on to berate the CCP for their capitalist road. Now he is even wilder than ever.
For the Dalai Lama's next publicity stunt I think he should attend a NY Yankees game, run out onto the field and immolate himself.
Obviously he will be reincarnated so there will be no harm done.
The Dalai's increasing neurotic state is a cause for international concerns about his mental capability and suicidal tendency. He has issued self-destructive calls to Buddhists which are obviously going to have an impact on impressionable minds bought out to worship him as a God-King. He would need time off to work off his prolonged depression so as to think more rationally and hopefully, finds an opportunity to talk to Hu-Wen team as they leave office this year.
And then the US government could sue the Dalai Lama and his estate for hate crimes against the Tibetan people.
Tibetans have done all they could do to get what they have been wanting for so many years - Autonomy. However desperate the circumstances may have got, immolation is definitely not a measure to fight for ones right.
As the exile flock despair over the slow or no progress toward Greater Tibet Autonomy, I am afraid that the Dalai will be forced to re-introduce more extreme Caste destructive practices like Suttee, Rioting and Killing in Urban areas etc. to highlight his problems to the Western Media.
Truly a sad situation. The immolations do help to keep Tibet on the world's radar screen, but that's about all. Suicide bombing of concentrations of Han would accomplish more and cost no more Tibetan lives.
Gotta take some of the bad guys with ya's, fellas, if you want to accomplish anything.
Yep, I do encourage terrorism - more reason to crack down and more pressure on West not to found TGIE through NED. Great idea, I am all for it.
"One man's terrorist is another's ...."
Besides, MJWP, when did dead Chinese ever bother the Reds or their apologists? The feeble Tibetans will never come close to bagging as many Han as Mao did, will they?
Nope - Mao was one of a kind. Plus, China's poor infrastructure and lack of development back then didn't help either.
The US also looked at Chechnya as a chance to weaken Russia (seriously, bordering the newly independent Caucasus countries like Georgia and Azerbaijan). Unfortunately, the Chechens were swayed by Wahhabists from Saudi Arabia (pals of Dubya) and decided to conduct terrorist attacks in Moscow and elsewhere (did I forget to mention the invasion of Dagestan in 1999 by some "Islamic International Peace Brigade"). Thus, it became untenable to support the Chechens, and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was crushed and reabsorbed into Russia.
What you are advocating will end w/ the same results, except China would most likely not even have to reabsorb Tibet :)
"What you are advocating will end w/ the same results, except China would most likely not even have to reabsorb Tibet :)"
What I meant here is that Tibet wouldn't even have the 4 year window that Chechnya had to function as an independent entity.
"When you ain't got nothin' you got nothin' to lose" (Bob Dylan)
Any cause worth dying for is certainly worth killing the bad guys for, isn't it? Reds understand that better than any other people on the planet - and have the body-count to back it up.
'Turn-about is fair play.'
I don't understand what we are debating here. We both support terrorism by Tibetans, so what is there to haggle over?
Just these items - which side is the right side for people of good conscience to support, and what is the proper outcome?
Suspect we'll never see eye-to-eye on that, Red.
I agree, Western Imperialist.
You should be the first to plant a bomb in one of the crowded places in China. This will show that you are not a coward and you can both speak and act. I am sure you will succeed; however, you will definitely not live beyond the day after, and your death will not be a loss to any one.
Funny, I don't recall saying I wasn't a coward; fact is - I am.
It's the good people of Tibet who are brave, not I. They sacrifice their lives in the struggle for freedom from tyranny, as so many others have throughout history - and as so many of the good people of China have done, are doing and will continue to do. Only right and proper that those who oppress others accept casualties as well - the more, the better.
Time is not on the side of tyrants, nor is principal.
By immolating themselves, the Tibetan monks are doing the right thing. On the one hand, there is their sacrifices which will certainly be recognised by others on earth and beyond; and, on the other hand, they will be less of a burden to the Dalai Lama who is having much difficulty collecting funds from foreign governments. So it is a gain to all parties: to the taxpayers of the foreign country that is funding the Dalai Lama's activities, to the Dalai Lama and to the Chinese Government. It is certainly a win-win situation and I suggest that this program be increased a hundred fold and to be implemented immediately.
"They sacrifice their lives in the struggle for freedom from tyranny"
Let's not intentionally misconstrue things. The Tibetans are struggling for independence from Chinese imperialism (which is a very respectable struggle). They are struggling for their religion. But they are NOT struggling for "freedom" in any kind of democratic or liberal sense.
Tibetans have no history of individual freedom or cultural foundations for liberalism. They've lived under theocracy for over a thousand years and the fact that there are Tibetans who are saying they can "die without regrets" if they've only just seen the Dali Lama makes it pretty clear that they want a return of religious tyranny.
When it comes to violent resistance, just look how well that works in Xinjiang.
Tibetans are struggling to have what they wish to have, and whatever that is - it's their call to make and noone else's.
That's right, isn't it, guys?
Tibet is part of China and it is not the Dalai Lama to decide who and how to govern China and its provinces and regions.
Similarly, California is part of the USA and it is not the Natives who can decide who and how to govern California.
No, you are wrong.
Xinjiang and Tibet are part of China. Dalai Lama is son of India.
And the Han Chinese are fighting for what they wish to have: Tibet.
We shouldn't look at this in terms of what each side wants, because their desires are in opposition. Let's look from a utilitarian perspective of what is good for the greatest number of people. If Tibet becomes independent, the several million Tibetans will feel the joy being able to revive and preserve their old traditions and be ruled by the Dali Lama once more. If China retains control over Tibet, they can harvest it for natural resources that will directly and indirectly bring material benefits to hundreds of millions of people.
Ethics are on the side of China, as usual.
Do you mean that California should not be part of the USA and that it should be given to the Natives? Then you should tell this to the US Government because the Chinese Government will not do it for you.
"Ethics are on the side of China, as usual."
Actually if Tibet were free, then chances are that China would just exploit it for its natural resources like it is doing with Burma and many African countries. It may cost China a bit more, but the negative effects on the Chinese economy would be minimal.
I think China is holding onto Tibet mainly for a pride thing...
BTW why are you so pro-China-biased? Do you have a Chinese wife or something?
FYI, in case you ask the same question of me in a rebuttal, I am pro-China-biased because I'm 1/2 ethnically Chinese and I'll probably make a living off of the West-China trade for the rest of my life, so it's in my own interets to want to see China's and the West's economies both doing as well as possible.
Also Tibet is kind of a game to me; a real life re-troll of Western trolling. Seeing as how I'm a troll at heart, and my trolling is strangled IRL because I don't want to piss off people IRL, you see why I find the Tibet trolling enjoyable?
I too find it enjoyable, ST, so let's you and me have a troll-to-troll exchange that the Red's ring-kissers can witness. OK?
California and all the other States of the US became part of the US through a "free, fair and open" process of democracy, in which the people of the effected territory expressed their desire to become part of the US. The people of Tibet have never had the opportunity to express their desires in a similar manner on the matter of becoming a part of China. Hardly surprising, as the people of China-proper have never had any opportunity to express their desire in the matter of Red rule over them either.
The assertion by one of the apologists that ethics favor the Han since there are more of them than there are Tibetans is both revealing and ominous. Doesn't bode well for China's neighbors, does it? Numbers are the decisive element, according to that Han view of morality – "might makes right" is the only language the Han appear to respect.
"California and all the other States of the US became part of the US through a "free, fair and open" process of democracy, in which the people of the effected territory expressed their desire to become part of the US."
Guess you never heard of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? The US, by aiming its gun at the head of the government in Mexico City, bought the southwest (including California) on the cheap. The US was so apt at bargaining back then lol.
""might makes right" is the only language the Han appear to respect."
It is also the only language that Americans seem to respect - see cases of Operation Ajax, Pinochet in Chile, and Invasion of Iraq for examples.
China should set up its equivalent of the School of the Americas (now called The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation aka WHINSEC). I am sure it will produce some fine leaders like the exemplar it is modeled after - Manuel Noriega, Hugo Banzer Suarez, Efrain Rios Montt, Manuel Contreras, etc.
I'm Pro-China, but I don't consider myself irrationally biased. Certainly not in the way PL123, Jean Micheal, or that Canadian "WatchingChina" guy is.
I do live and work in China and plan to do business of some kind with China for most of my life; but I could just as easily work elsewhere. I'm a student of philosophy, history, and anthropology. In my eyes, China has the most interesting and glorious history of any nation/civilization on Earth. I love their food, art, philosophy, women, and politics. I also think that most people don't know much of anything about the real China and most of the criticisms of China either come from ignorance, misguided idealism (I believe exploitation is the foundation of human society and I think those who believe the reverse are incredibly naive and detached from the real world), and cultural differences (If you look at most of the policies and behaviors of the government- excluding the blatant corruption which I of course condemn- they are moral from a Confucian perspective). Me being pro-China does not lead me to be anti-anything. I'm a proud westerner, but I am disgusted with America's religious right and its increasing populism. I basically like all of East Asia and Europe. I think Africa is giant joke. I think the proud Indians who consider their country a super power are a joke, but I have no ill will against India. As my screen name states I'm a pluralist. And China has a special place in my heart.
Holding onto Tibet is definitely partly about the Chinese obsession with national unity and holding the Empire together. But I do think it is definitely to their economic and strategic advantage. If Tibet became independent, it would turn into a buffer state between India and China that would likely lean to the south out of justified resentment towards the Chinese imperialists. The Tibetan leaders are obviously not motivated by pragmatism, economics, or a desire to modernize their country. As such, I expect that they would likely squander their wealth of resources and keep most of it in the ground. I have no ill will against the Tibetans, but I'm irritated by the Free Tibeters who couple their love for Tibetans with a hatred for the Han Chinese. I love the Han Chinese and could care less about the Tibetans. They've contributed nothing of value to the world. Even when it comes to spirituality, Chinese Buddhism is far more "useful" for or at least utilizable in the modern world than Tibetan Buddhism.
You need to remember that countries are not individuals. Individuals are individuals, and some countries have more of them than others. If you believe that all individuals have an equal right to happiness, then obviously more happiness (and the possibilities for happiness) need to be directed at a country with more individuals.
I'm a westerner and that is utilitarianism, a western philosophy birthed of Bentham and Mills.
And come on, it is extremely well-established and inarguable that Americans consume far more than their fair share of resources. On a per capita basis, Chinese people do not.
California and the rest of the southwestern USA was annexed from Mexico by the USA beginning with Texas. Just like the USA annexed Puerto Rico and Hawaii. Democracy had nothing to do with the USA's western expansion. Learn your own history.
It could be more fun on Western TV than watching some Jihadists chopping some Imperialist heads off in public.
The original Americans had never a chance "free, fair and open" process of democracy, in which the people of the effected territory expressed their desire to become part of the US. You can see them either in Museum or reserve. Very generous and fair.
You wrote: "California and all the other States of the US became part of the US through a "free, fair and open" process of democracy, in which the people of the effected territory expressed their desire to become part of the US."
Were the Natives in the US ever given the chance to vote for their independence?
Were the lands of the Natives stolen from them and distributed to the Whites?
Were the Natives murdered by the white people?
Many people call this a genocide? Do you agree with their opinion?
Where are the rights of the Natives?
First main post in a while:
Anyways, China made an enormous mistake when it formulated its nationalities policy post-1949. Either because of some bone-headed CCP official or the desire of not wanting to increase administrative workload, the CCP decided to lump all the disparate Mongolian, Tibetan, and Uighur groups into mega ethnic groups. I have written about this before, but to simplify, the Uighurs, for example, have historically seen themselves as dweller of a particular oasis first (e.g. Turpanlik, Kasgharlik, Qumulik, etc.) and Uighur second. The Uighur identity was not formulated until the early 20th century w/ the assistance of Ottoman scholars (proto-pan-Turkicists).
Now, Tibetans were a little less fractured, but they were still divided into the 3 groups of U-Tsang (Wei Zang, basically the TAR), Kham (Kang, today's western Sichuan, as well as parts of Qinghai and Yunnan), and Amdo (An Duo, today's Qinghai and part of Gansu). Apparently, the Tibetan varieties spoken by these 3 groups are not even mutually intelligible (sort of like Mandarin vs. Cantonese vs. Hokkien/Minnan). Politically, DL and co. only controlled U-Tsang. Kham was controlled by local kings and chieftains, like the King of Muli, while Amdo was controlled by first, the Kokonor Mongols (branch of Oirat Mongols from today's northern Xinjiang) then by the Five Ma family (famous generals who fought for KMT and actually counterattacked the 13th DL's invasion from U-Tsang into Qinghai back in the 30s). Thus, it was extremely short-sighted for the CCP to merge these groups into one mega classification, since what they did was create a modern, Westphalian national identity from where there was none. Heck, they even merged part of Kham (Chamdo region) which the DL did not control into U-Tsang to form the TAR.
A further example of how complex the ethnic situation was - the present DL was actually born in Takster, a Tibetan village in Amdo. According to his own autobiography, his family did not speak a lick of Tibetan of any kind. Instead, they spoke some variant of Mandarin Chinese common to the area, which is around Xining. DL did not learn to speak Tibetan until he was selected as the 14th and taken to Lhasa for education. Of course, TGIE would not advertise this, even though DL himself admits it.
Just another example of why the Soviet model (Stalin's child) does not and will not ever work.
Note: When I say control, I mean temporal control. The DL certainly had spiritual influence among Gelug followers in Kham and Amdo - it is just that he did not govern them as well.
Note 2: Just giving my thoughts here about the nationalities policy of PRC. I am not arguing for or against Beijing or Dharamsala in this post.
I also saw a post on some forum (history I believe) by a Tibetan youth. I can't vouch for its veracity, but basically, he said how his family, who are Khampas living in Nyingchi right across from Arunachel Pradesh, voluntarily helped the PLA w/ supply lines in its 1962 war against India. He claimed that they were motivated to do this because they wanted to take Tawang and its monastery back from Indian control, since one of the DL's was born there. Thus, they were very disappointed when the PLA pulled back to the McMahon Line despite capturing Tawang and other parts of AP (it wasn't called that back then).
Apparently, his family was even more shocked by how Tibetan Khampas flocked through their region from Sichuan right before the 2008 Lhasa riot en route to the city. They also heard that some of their neighbors' children joined in, and ended up in big trouble, and how saddened his father was over the incident.
Thus, Tibet is not a one-dimensional place. Even exiled Tibetans can't speak for the 6 million Tibetans living in Tibet and surrounding regions. Heck, even a few monks burning themselves to death in Sichuan can't do that. Only Tibetans still in China, from all walks of life and all the regions, can do that, but unfortunately, because of the censorship, we aren't able to hear those voices
Also want to add one more thing - Nyingchi, the place I mentioned in my last post, is also home to the Monbas and Lhobas, the former adopting some aspects of Tibetan culture but retaining many of their own customs and languages, while the latter were looked down upon by the Tibetans and treated like their version of untouchables. Thus, even the TAR is not 100% Tibetan.
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In contrast to CCP's indiscriminate merging of peoples into mega groups, the KMT and even USSR conducted much wiser policies. For example, the KMT divides the aboriginal groups in Taiwan into groups based on their own tribal affiliations (PRC, by contrast, puts them all into Gaoshan category). USSR, rather than PRC's merging of Tsahars, Khorchins, etc. into Mongol, separates their Mongol groups. For example, Buryats and Kalmyks, though both speaking Central Mongolic languages and sharing many characteristics in culture, are in separate groups. As a result, Buryats do not even identify themselves w/ their ethnic relatives in Mongolia or Inner Mongolia, but sees themselves as belonging to their own distinct Buryat identity as well as loyal Russian citizens.
Too bad for China though - it is simply 60 years too late to reverse anything.
I agree. But the policy is OK under Mao who really believe in a Chinese family of nations under China's historical borders. And, no foreigners will dare to trifle around with Mao. The current leadership is very weak when dealing with the devils.
Most Chinese, even if they live in the West, are very defensive and childishly sensitive about criticism of their "motherland". Loyalty to the "Han Civilization" seems to override even the loyalty to the country where they hold their citizenship. They also typically assume that all other non-Western countries would automatically be pro-Chinese and anti-US. No one, let alone primitive Burmese like me, is allowed to criticise the "Mandate of Heaven" in achieving the "Great Economic Leapfrog Forward", come hell or high water, smog or sandstorms, self-immolating Tibetans or bursting water-melons.
Most Chinese (including those living in the West) believe that China is engaging in an epic struggle against the West for global supremacy. The rest of the world is of course, just populated by "underdeveloped and uncultured barbarians" but useful for natural resources (such as caterpillar fungus?). Ethnocentricity combined with such fervour and righteousness is scary, especially coming from such a large nation.
I agree, but if you know about the sort of racism and discrimination faced by Chinese and other Asians in North America, Europe and other countries dominated by Europeans and their progeny, you can understand why. Just look at the recent racist headlines and snide comments about Jeremy Lin (though I am glad outlets like ESPN moved very quickly to rectify these).
At least you are making a reasonable response to my comment.
Racism is definitely not just a problem of Whites against Chinese. Anti-semitism, for example, was quite prevalent in many parts of the world for the last 100 years. In fact, as someone born in Burma, I am quite aware that racism is multi-layered in most Asian countries and is based on many aspects, such as skin colour, culture, money, religion etc. I have lived in the West for quite some time now (longer than Jeremy Lin) and although things are not optimal, most Western countries (even Germany!) have made serious attempts by establishing anti-discriminatory laws (and even affirmative action) to accommodate and assimilate citizens and immigrants from very diverse racial and religious backgrounds (not just for Chinese Harvard graduates). I believe that the US and the West has been very successful during the last 40 years or so, in making the world a "global village", which now includes China (thanks to Nixon and Kissinger!) and perhaps even Burma soon (thanks to Aung San Suu Kyi?) Maybe some "white supremacists" might not like what they see is happening to the world, but in my opinion, diversity, inclusiveness, tolerance, freedom of speech and expression, justice, human rights, civil liberties, transparency of both the political and economic processes are the main strength of Western democratic societies and judging from the large number of bright young Chinese students who are studying (or vying for a spot) at the top Universities in the West (even Jinping Xi's daughter is at Harvard, no?), most rational and intellectual Chinese must admit that the way China is governed and the way China views and exploits other poorer Asian countries or even their own ethnic minority groups is full of hypocrisy, ehtnocenricity and self-aggrandisement (regardless of the success or failure of the "Great Economic Leapfrog Forward").
If China would become a more inclusive society and base their politics less on materialism and greed, and perhaps adopt the values that I described above not just as Western values but "Universal Human Values", the world would be a better place. China will be judged by the rest of the world on its ethical values, moral generosity and humanitarian achievements, not on its GDP growth!
Agree w/ what you said. Only disagree that it is white supremacists who are racist. I think most people are innately racist (I may even include myself) - it is human nature. It is just that they don't act it out, but they do betray their true sentiments via certain actions (for example, white cop giving warnings to most white drivers, but mostly tickets to black ones etc.).
The problem is not criticism, but rather obsessive unilateral criticism coming from a Burmese guy who obviously holds a grudge against Chinese people.
You manage to make multiple China "criticisms" in every China article, but almost never do you criticize anyone else, which suggest that you have a very personal and very strong grudge against China, and may even make you a racist.
But yes Burma is indeed populated by "underdeveloped and uncultured barbarians" and should be exploited for their natural resources and work as slave labors because the Burmese literally bring nothing else to the world.
I don't agree with what you said. But I must give you
credit for not calling those pro-China commentators 50 centers.
Hey, Tocharian is a 1-Dime agent !! A dangerous sleeper in Canada.
Thank you for the infomation. I thought this guy disguised
as a harmless Burmese refugee working for some anti-China
NGOs in Canada. I have changed my mind since. He is more
than dangerous. He is insidious in that he is trying to stir
up hatred against the overseas ethnic Chinese in their adopted
countries. Be aware he is really a devil.
"..The Dalai Lama, who formally dropped his political role last year, enjoys enormous respect. But respect has no army...."
Here's a Special "Radical=Thought", from the FAR-WEST:
The Shocking Truth, is that "Respect" Commands & Controls the Greatest-Army, this World has ever Witnessed!
When WE the People/Sheeple WAKE-UP, .................
Peace, Love & Respect.
With his growing self-destructive neurotic tendency, Dalai's dhamasala will become Jonestown 2 before he kicks the bucket.
wow that sucks.... kenny feel bad 4 those hombres who burn theyselves up.... kenny hopes the PRC gets the hells out.... mebbe they can move 2 El Lay....
Why don't you go pick up an AK, write "cannon fodder" on your forehead, and head to Tibet and start some insurgency?
Kenny has allready carried a ak. would rather go 2 school, dig?
Ohhh, so you must be one of those child soldiers.
Obviously the quicker China eliminates the Tibetan mess the quicker China removes the Western-pro-Tibetan trolling headache.
Subtlety and speed are the keys, folks.
I do not think there is any mess to clean. The western media is building up an imaginary mess for the western readers to swallow. If some Tibetan monks and nuns wish to leave China for Dharamsala, I do not any problem for China. What is a few million people in a country of more than one billion people? And if some of them would like to kill themselves, I do not see any problem, too, except to the western media and the readers of the western media.
Ok, here is what you call a "call for genocide". Thanks for making it clear, and sorry for the earlier confusion. Very explicit.
As usual you understand nothing. Suicide is one and genocide is another. When someone kills himself, it is called a suicide. Looks like you are stll a teenager. Never mind you still have a long way to go though it seems it will be an uphill battle all the way.
Ok, here is what you call a "call for genocide". Thanks for making it clear, and sorry for the earlier confusion. Very explicit.
Those BBQ monks were genociding their own culture, Buddhism is not allowed to kill including suicide.
Actually I thought I used a bit of obfuscation there. Obviously most of the Chinese posters didn't understand what I was talking about....
No, really? What did you expect? Don't ask too much from our wumaos.
Chinese don't expect much from F R O Y either! A 1-Dime-agent !!
Those BBQ monks were genociding their own culture, Buddhism is not allowed to kill including suicide.
Which begs the question, why are you wasting your time arguing with the wumaos? It's like arguing with robots who are incapable of logic.
(They're probably just Western Chinese kiddies rather than wumaos. I've read what the wumaos actually write on Chinese language forums, and the writing styles are very distinctly different.)
Are you a Wumao? Be honest.
Yes, I know, they're like annoying children. I try to ignore them, but I can't help myself. This can get pretty addictive.
Chinese don't expect much from F R O Y either! A 1-Dime-agent !!
Those BBQ monks were genociding their own culture, Buddhism is not allowed to kill including suicide.
What is not honest ? Froy is exactly a annoying child like me.
I asked that question with no particular comment of yours in mind.
I doubt anyone on this board is a wumao agent, but with all of the accusations that Free-Tibeters throw out sometimes it gets me thinking. If anyone on this board are Wumao's, it would be you and Jean Micheal.
I am buyable, offer me a sum in Euro, see if we can make a deal. :D
I wish I could earn a third pay check on the Economist.
You don't even know what you are talking about let alone understanding what others are writing. Just like silly FROY.
So you have a first and second pay check? :D
And you have a tiny penis. (We all know you do; no point in lying...)
I suppose you know it better than I do since you have tested it and you have compared it with others. Was it good, though?
Nope I know because of the massive inferiority complex that you constantly display, which in a person can only result in having a tiny penis.
Maybe if you played with it more it'll "grow" a bit larger?
Obviously you have never been to Tibet. Chinese military is killing and torturing Tibetans!!! Why can't you get that through your head? Tibetans cannot leave for India without risking being shot - again by your compatriots, the Chinese military - or losing limbs from frostbite. You are just spouting hate-filled opinions. Your time will come my friend.
It is clear you are very stupid. If the terrorists want to go to Dharamsala and elsewhere, they are welcome to do so because each terrorist who goes away means less headache for the Chinese government. Indeed if all the terrorists could leave China, the country will be more peaceful. Similarly, if the terrorists could BBQ themselves to the last, it would be a gift to all the Chinese. By the way, you are also welcome to BBQ yourself. But stop speaking like a child. You are making a fool of yourself. You don't even know the history of your country and the atrocities it commits.
From the tone of this article we can smell some hostile meaning to China.Do you Westerners feel happy when such self-destruction happened in China?
If I should feel happy that economic crisis happened in the West,how do you think of me?The Westerners could not bear any good things in China out of jealousy.
When Jim Jones brainwashed his hundreds of Christian followers to commit mass suicide in Guyana by drinking poison laced KoolAids, the world began to realize that religious leaders should not turn their teaching into brainwashing anymore.
Today, while these young monks burned themselves to death in vain (Heavens, monk Lobsang Phuntsog, was only 20-year-old), they took Dalai Lama's brainwashing and some said instigation so wastefully to douche off their young budding lives, just like the way young suicide bombers were led to believe their teachers or handlers.
But even Banyan should know better that, no government should submit itself to the intimidation of blackmail by religious violence of self immolation or suicide bombing, and no nation should be held hostage by such cowardly acts of self immolation or suicide bombing trying to publicize some unholy scheming of things, such as in this case, the separation of Xi Zang from China.
China should not be swayed in its policy by any such ruinous Dalai-Lamastic manipulation of young people's minds.
and exactly, dear Banyan, you want to tell me is there any difference between them self immolation monks and suicide bombers?
Actually there is no difference. they are all pitifully innocent and the real culprits were their trainers, masters and dalai-lamas who tricked these young things into killing themselves through unceasing propaganda of hatred and fear.
All these negative posts do not diminish the FACT that the Chinese military, the enforcers of the mother-land, are torturing and killing innocent people. Do not try to justify this, you may someday be on the other side. Your diversionary comments seem to be your own denial of the reality of what is happening.
All the armchair apologists and propagandists have never actually been to the restive areas. You should go and see the truth. Then your observation will carry some weight. Otherwise it's just another goofy opinion that means absolutely nothing.
It seems youbhave visited a lot of places. Have you heard of Guantanamo?
And what about YOUR goofy opinion that means absolutely nothing?
See you Free Tibet crowd havent even been able to stop a single Western mining company from exploiting Tibetan resources. Every time I meet one of you, I cannot help but laugh at your ineptness.
Yes I have heard of Guantanamo. Very sad, very incorrect. However, it does not diminish one iota from the atrocities happening in the Tibet region or anywhere else atrocities are happening. Do you think what is happening in Tibet is okay because of Guantanamo??
What are the names of the western mining companies in Tibet?? I have seen plenty of Chinese mining companies creating huge pollution and not employing any Tibetans. I have seen Chinese logging companies clear-cutting the forrested areas of southern Tibet while not allowing any Tibetans to cut even a single tree. I have seen the immense pollution caused by Chinese mining companies in Mongolia. What are the names of the western mining companies? I would like to petition them. Thanks. Unfortunately you can't petition any Chinese companies or you will be arrested and re-educated (tortured)for sedition (going against the "Great Leap Forward" policy).
My post is not an "opinion" Troll. Chinese military is killing, torturing and murdering. And I personally am not a "Free Tibet Crowd" but I am willing to stand up against brutes and bullys like you and a few others.
There is a saying that one must clean his house before he crticises the dirt in his neighbour's house. You don't give advice to other people when your house is full of shit. You are simply a shameless character. If at least you stop killing and torturing people around the world, the world would be better.
No. But it's hypocritical for you to point your finger at China while your country committed atrocities and continue to do so. The lattest being the killing of 16 women and childdren in
Afgan. This is the problem with people like you in the West.
I despise any killing and at minimum work and petition my own government to have it stopped. I protest all bullies. In China you cannot do that. So i see your point that you must conform or you, yourself and your family become a victim. However, all your arguments still do not diminish the fact that Chinese military are killing, torturing and enforcing sterilization on Tibetans. They are killing the culture, the language and trying to eliminate a very valuable asset that could belong to and be good for China. My recommendation is that you stop defending the atrocities in print. It is not good for YOU. You become complicit when you do this. If you can't stand up for goodness in the world at least don't vocalize support for murder and torture.
Please realize that i do not ever kill or torture people. I despise any killing and at minimum work and petition my own government to have it stopped. I protest all bullies. In China you cannot do that. So i see your point that you must conform or you, yourself and your family become a victim. However, all your arguments still do not diminish the fact that Chinese military are killing, torturing and enforcing sterilization on Tibetans. They are killing the culture, the language and trying to eliminate a very valuable asset that could belong to and be good for China. My recommendation is that you stop defending the atrocities in print. It is not good for YOU. You become complicit when you do this. If you can't stand up for goodness in the world at least don't vocalize support for murder and torture.
Maybe you must realise also that I, too, am against any form of killing and torturing. When I look at the atrocities committed by the western countries, my stomach goes upside down. Only a few days ago, a state-sponsered invasion of Afghanistan by the US-led coalition, murdered sixteen unarmed Afghans. And before that, for over two weeks, the US soldiers fired several times the unarmed protesters and killed no less than than 30 civilians. So, over a period of three weeks, the US sponsored invasion of Afghanistan has cooly murdered nearly 50 unarmed Afghans.
As you might be aware, the history of the US started with a genocide. Almost all the original inhabitants have been killed in the most atrocious way and all their lands were stolen from them. Now they are living in reserves, that is, in a kind of a prison. Very pitiful! Why don't you fight for their cause? Have the natives in the US ever had the chance to vote for their independence?
Then, there was the shameful slaves trade. Millions of Africans were taken forcefully from their countries by slavers to serve the whites in the US. More than half of them died horribly during their forced voyage to the US and, those who were not killed, suffered even more horribly that they envy those who perished during the voyage.
More recently, the US-led coalition invaded Korea, Vietnam, ASfghanistan and Iraq because they did not share the political philosophies or the dreams of the western countries. And, the US-led coalition killed, murdered, tortured and mutilated millions and millions of people.
The US also sent its assassin to assassinate many politicians in the South American countries. Now, they are assassinated the Iranian scientists.
Even more recently, the US-led coalition bombed Libya and caused the death of 40,000 Libyans, most of them civilians and most of them unarmed, and destroyed billions of dollars of Libyan property.
You know, when you shit in your house, you must not criticise other people's houses. You must first of all clean your house and change your manners. Then, after your house is clean, after you have good manners, you can look at other people's house without any shame.
YOu just don't get it, do you? Killing and torturing is abhorent anywhere - US or China - so don't try to justify it ANYWHERE by saying it's okay because the US did it. Let's try to stop it, or at least don't encourage or defend it which is what you seem to be doing.
Western countries are going into bankruptcy, but every day you think about how to make china split,to be a chinese,thanks to you a lot,coz you are so friendly to chinese people,we will remember this.
2012 - 2008 = 4 not 3.
Lol, Banyan have failed to do basic arithmetic not once but twice! Third times a charm?
What an ironic twist from his dramatic fall from Nobel Prize pedestal idolatry to near obscurity today? The starving Dalai Tigress is now consuming his own fanatic followers cubs to save his Serfdom dream.
What really baffles me is that a lot of westerners talk about Tibet like they really have been there before. If you are really aware of the conditions raised by Dali lama in the negotiation with Beijing, you would know he is adamant that all the Han people must leave Tibeten area which ,according to his opinion, accouts for one quarter of Chinese territory.Ok,let me ask you self-righteous American one question, if one day Indian people tell the US government that all the non-indian people must get out of their territory which they claimed long before the arrival of western immigrants,what should US government do? Right, now I guess, some hypocrite are gonna broach the so-called 'uprising'occurred 5 years ago,seriously? I wasn't there back then,but one of my friend happened to be in Tibet for internship, he borne witness over how the Tibeten mobsters decapitated Han people with machete, how they burned down the shops owned by Han people.Ok,you can call this 'uprising' against communist oppression, but I am wondering what noble name should UK government bestow on the riot in London last year(I was living in london back then,those youngesters did pretty much the same thing the only difference is they did't behead people).I remember PM of the UK described it as unacceptable and despicable.WOW!!!fascinating!!!
Kraken! You are very mistaken about a negotiation point being that Han leave Tibet. Were you in on the negotiations? Foolishness. I don't know why i am responding to this. Have you really been there? Obviously not or you wouldn't be saying these ridiculous things. BAH.
Can you please provide evidence that the Dalai Lama would forcefully expel non-Tibetans from Tibet? I must have missed that part. And anyway, the vast majority of those Chinese in Tibet are all born in Sichuan and other Chinese provinces. They generally never plan to stay indefinitely. What an autonomous Tibetan government would do is control the immigration of Chinese into Tibet, so after the current Han population eventually go back home on their own free will, they would not be replaced.
Are you asking or answering a question?
Do you think you own Tibet to give instructions how to govern it? From your post, I think that you have missed not only this part but many other parts too.
That's the best you can do for a rebuttal? Come on "Jean Michel", earn your 5 maos! I wouldn't give you more than two for such a poor performance.
If you care to read carefully, I'm not "giving instructions", but merely explaining to Kraken here how the Tibetan Government-in-exile has repeatedly stated they would handle Han immigration under the "true autonomy" they advocate. Not by mass expulsions and ethnic cleansing, but rather through immigration control. A sensible policy, but theirs, not mine.
But then the Tibetans in exile do not own Tibet and they have no say on this matter. Tibet is governed by the Chinese government and the Chinese Government knows better than you or the Tibetans in exile how to govern China and all its provinces and regions.
Ah, the imperial arrogance. So difficult to see it expresses so explicitly these days. Makes one feel kind of nostalgic. "The master knows better, you pesky savage". Very well put.
Grow up little baby. The boundaries of each country are defined and each country is governed by its government. Instead of trying advise the Chinese Government how to govern its country, you would do better to advise your own government how to govern your country.
Yes, that's what all repressive regimes say: "take care of your own problems, and leave us alone to repress how we see fit". Sorry, but that's not going to happen. As long as China keeps oppressing Tibetans and disregarding their rightful claims, it will continue in the spotlight. Tough luck.
Have you heard of the Occupy Movement? They claim they represent 99% of the population in the western countries. Ask them which countries have got oppressive regimes. They know better than you otherwise they would not be camping in the big cities.
Can you please provide evidence that the Dalai Lama would forcefully expel non-Tibetans from Tibet? I must have missed that part. And anyway, the vast majority of those Chinese in Tibet are all born in Sichuan and other Chinese provinces. They generally never plan to stay indefinitely. What an autonomous Tibetan government would do is control the immigration of Chinese into Tibet, so after the current Han population eventually go back home on their own free will, they would not be replaced.
That is your wet-dream not to let Chinese people migrant to China other province. May be you should go back to the Mars.
"true autonomy", "true truth", "true democracy" Can you explain a bit clearer. What is really true!! I can put also another true in front of your true.
Ah, the imperial arrogance. So difficult to see it expresses so explicitly these days. Makes one feel kind of nostalgic. "The master knows better, you pesky savage". Very well put.
Ah, typical white Aryan arrogant !!
It may be easier to explain what "true autonomy" is not: calling a province "autonomous" but then appointing all the government from Beijing, putting only outsiders as top Party officials (the ones with real authority) and making all key decisions from Beijing is NOT autonomy, but actually the opposite of the concept.
Something closer to "autonomy" would be allowing the native inhabitants of Tibet (regardless of their ethnicity) choose their leaders, and that those leaders would have actual decision power over key matters and policies: economy, economy, religious practice, cultural preservation, immigration...
It may be easier to explain what "true autonomy" is not: calling a province "autonomous" but then appointing all the government from Beijing, putting only outsiders as top Party officials (the ones with real authority) and making all key decisions from Beijing is NOT autonomy, but actually the opposite of the concept.
Something closer to "autonomy" would be allowing the native inhabitants of Tibet (regardless of their ethnicity) choose their leaders, and that those leaders would have actual decision power over key matters and policies: economy, economy, religious practice, cultural preservation, immigration...
I am sorry to tell you this is polity with our Chinese Characteristic.
You mean a election, not autonomy. The slaves leader was gone for good many many years ago to the west and now he is doing more harm to his own people. :D
Keep dreaming!!
No, PL, I mean autonomy. Elections are just part of it. If all decisions are taken in Beijing, that can't possibly be "autonomy", with or without "Chinese characteristics". The CCP just likes to add that sobriquet to anything they like and then offer just more of the same old authoritarianism.
To be autonomous, key decisions should be taken in Tibet by Tibetans. That does not happen today in the "Tibetan Autonomous Region".
You have great but rather naive ideas. I also believe that the Natives in the US (who incidentally are the true owners of the US) should be given autonomy. They should be given the chance to vote for their independence and if the majority of the Natives so decide in favour of independence, they should be given either the state of Texas or the state of New York. Why don't you propose this to the US government. Why plague the Chinese Government with your stupid ideas.
You seem to criticise China a lot but you remains blind to what is going on in the western countries. You spoke of border controls in China as if there are no border controls in the western countries. As I once told you, the border controls in the US are more stringent and for some people who have to submit to such controls, more humiliating. Some people have to undress themselves completely to satisfy the immigration officers. Can you imagine yourself stripping in front of strangers and having yourself examined throughly? Don't just criticise China for the sake of criticising but keep your eyes open to what is happening in other countries.
99% also should have their autonomy, but they were kicked out by the regimes (1% government).
see,you're exactly the kind of westerner I am talking about.As a Han people who spent my childhood in Qinghai, I am sure I know way much more than you.Ok getting back to the expulsion of Han people,here is the link,http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detail_2010_12/10/3441979_0.shtml.In 1987,Dalai said:'For the Tibetans to survive as a people,it is imperative that the population transfer is stopped and Chinese settlers return to China'.In 2009,when he was receiving the interview of German media,he said:'we can't accept that non-Tibetan outnumbers Tibetan.And judging from the atrocity committed by Tibetan mobster 5 years,instead of condemning the violence,sending condolescence to victims,some shameless western media were even barefaced enough to label it as peaceful uprising.I do not want to argue u as well as persuade u to accept my view,I just hope,when it comes to Tibet and China,some western media and people could get rid of the prism and stereotype and be objective
Tibet is not part of China. By repeating that erronious assumption you have made it a reality in your own head. Tibet actually is much bigger than the maps and at one time ruled China! Should we say that China is part of Tibet? And obviously China does NOT know how to rule outside the greater Han area. The evidence is all the trouble, the re-education policy, torture, murder, news black-outs, military police invading innocent peoples homes and temples, "the 9 must-haves", fear mongering, Uighar uprisings, Tibetan uprisings, etc., etc., etc.. Sure... china knows exactly how to best govern these areas.
Can you kindly provide a link to prove your point that Tibet once ruled China?
The recipe provided for the sauce of self sacrifice given to the various groups of useful idiots globally is the same, be it Tibetans, Uighurs or the LIFG'ers out of Libya that were controlled by "Betrayus" that ran suicide missions against his own troops in Iraq.
And what is a credible US authored account of those useful idiots? Those participating in the imperialist derring do exercises always speak best for themselves and often make for the only trustworthy disclosures and sources.
Plainly, the contemproary ill informed mass of liberal neo-Plebians are co-signatories in the western imperial terrorism partaking of the same project to exterminate all culture other than that of godless crony elite led white liberalism.
Whatever your thoughts on the Dalai Llama -= He has already given up his flesh and his life to the Tibetans.
Burning one self is for ordinary people - The Dalai Llama is looked upon for Spiritual help by most Tibetans, includine the provinces that used to be Tibet.
His sacrifice has been a lot more severe - He has travelled the world to make awareness. He has never married and never had a family - things that we ordinary Humans long for.
The ultimate sacrifice is giving up his powers to a younger generation. This is better then what Mao did.
I think that his sacrifice is more supreme then that of the ordinary Monks.
At the end of the day - would you rather have Buddhists or Muslims rebelling against you?
I think the Dalai Lama's greatest sacrifice is to renounce his vows and to become the head of a terrorists group in order to satisfy the agenda of a foreign country.
Keeping on Hope!! Don't forget to say hello to our Pakis fan.
dalai lama is no longer the issue. he is the son of india and chinese tibetans no longer want him back any more. he is a goner basically.
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The origins of "On Top of Spaghetti" date back to 1963 when a folk singer, Tom Glazer performed with It is a ballad tune that provides a funny story for children. It is sung to the tune of "On Top of Old Smokey".
It tells a tale of a meatball that was sneezed off the pile of spaghetti and then rolled out the door and into the garden.
"On Top of Spaghetti" was written in 1963 by folk singer Tom Glazer. This parody ballad and children's song was to become his biggest hit. The song is sung to the tune of the traditional folk song "On Top of Old Smokey" and well as the do-re-mi melody.
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A variation that skiiers sometimes sing
On top of Mount something
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Here's an original version submitted by a fan who wrote it himself!
On top of Spaghetti, all covered with cheese.
I lost my poor meatball, when somebody sneezed.
It rolled off the table and on to the floor.
And then my poor meatball, rolled right out the door.
It rolled down the stairway, bounced down every stair.
Past our lazy hound dog, and the old rocking chair.
It rolled down the alley, into a drain-pipe it fell.
Then down to the river, in-to a clam-shell.
That clam didn't like it, so it spit it out,
right onto the back of a big rainbow trout.
It frightened that old fish, out of the water it jumped,
and threw my poor meatball, on an old horse's rump
That horse started bucking, and with one giant kick.
My meatball went flying, back into our at-tic.
It bounced down the heater vent, and out of the grate,
and then that darned meatball, landed square on my plate.
No one would believe me, I lied, they all said.
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I can't say I liked it, well, it tasted like poo.
So when no one was lookin', and no one was on guard,
I threw it out the window, and into a yard.
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But then the next summer, it grew into a tree.
The tree was gigantic, a hundred feet across.
And on it grew meatballs, all covered with sauce.
So if you have spaghetti, all covered with cheese.
Hold on to your meatballs, 'cause someone might sneeze.
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On top of spaghetti all covered with cheese
I lost my poor meatball when somebody sneezed,
it rolled off the table and onto the floor,
and then my poor meatball it rolled out the door,
it rolled down the sidewalk, and onto the street.
and now my poor meatball, is nothing but meat.
If you're trying to teach a little child, this 2 line version is great.
spaghetti and meatballs all covered with cheese,
I lost my poor meatball when somebody sneezed.
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Inside of my skull bone, it's slimy and grey
I'm losing my brain cells, more gone every day.
Though they're microscopic, I cherish each one
And when they're all missing, life won't be so fun.
About my strange problem, I thought for so long
I worked out a theory (and also this song).
All those neurologists say it can't be true
But I'm losing my brain cells, from talking to you.
And each precious neuron that fizzles right out
I'd save if such chatting, I could go without.
So inside of my skull bone, as you've probably guessed
I've lost all my brain cells, and I need some rest.
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Josie horvath, Canada
25 April 2015 at 11:48am
I don't know why it says originated in 1967. I used to sing this song when I was very young, ten yrs old or less. That would be around 1957 or earlier.
Alpha Skua, USA
24 April 2015 at 12:02am
Done the THE TOP of OLD SMOKEY
Sophia, United States
23 April 2015 at 10:48pm
This version is for all of you who cried as a kid on Santa's lap: On top of a snow caped icy hill that really had an weary chill all covered in red I shot Mr.Santa cause I found him, spying in my bed next to the chimny I made sure he was dead He knew I wasn't sleep'n But I have to tell ya that fatso is creep'n he abused poor rudoff made his nose gush with blood So I t Mr.Santa in a pile of crud so next time he tries to give me coal I surly will kill him that fat old troll
lisy, earth
31 July 2014 at 1:17pm
there is a Calvin and Hobbes comic with this song!
Chloe, Canada
26 July 2014 at 11:51pm
This is a nice song for a camp.
Carrie, United States
20 February 2014 at 3:49am
The original of this song began .. On top of old Smokey, all covered with snow, I lost my true lover for courtin' too slow. Don't remember the rest of it. It was about the Great Smokey Mountains.
Sashiipoo, Australia
14 September 2013 at 7:43am
My version goes On top of spaghetti all covered in cheese I lost my poor meat ball when somebody sneezed It rolled down the table and on to the floor And then my poor meatball rolled out the front door. It rolled down the side walk and into A bush and then my poor meatball was nothing but mush The very next summer it grew to a tree And on it grew meatballs all covered in cheese!
Yup, United States
8 February 2013 at 11:33pm
My older sisters used sing the variation of this song to me when I was little and it always made me cry cause the meatball died at the end :c
Kate, Ireland
7 October 2012 at 7:15pm
When you click on the video it says "On Top of Spagetti" by Olivia Gissing.But I don't know for sure she wrote it. Hope this was helpful!
Kate, Ireland
7 October 2012 at 7:09pm
Great song-love the brain version! I laughed when I heard it!
Vixen, United States
3 October 2012 at 2:37am
I remember this song from when I was a kid. I'm 24 now, so finding it is a real laugh. Of course, my favorite version was always 'On top of spaghetti, all covered with blood, I shot poor Barney, with a 44 stud. He rolled out the door and into a store, he rolled through the aisles and out the back door. I went to the army, but he wasn't quite dead, so I took a bazooka, a shot off his head. I went to his funeral, I went to his grave. Everybody threw flowers, but I threw a grenade.' I also heard is with 'teacher' instead of 'Barney' on several occasions. Either way, it was always a hoot... at least, as long as the teacher was one of those really mean mile long pole up the ass people.
Morven, United Kingdom
19 March 2012 at 4:28pm
I first sang a variation of this song when I was at Brownies. I loved it (well, I still do), and always pestered one of the leaders to let us sing it. The variation I sang didn't have the last three paragraphs, but instead just one: Several years later, a meatball tree grew, And now there are meatballs, for me and for you.
Hillbilly Jo, Bhutan
4 March 2012 at 2:41am
ME and My friends have been having a real good time singing meatballs and spaghitti and what not
Poop Me, Argentina
4 March 2012 at 2:38am
i like singing it in a FAKE country accent
Aaron B, United States
24 January 2012 at 6:24am
But i love these songs
Aaron B, United States
24 January 2012 at 6:24am
i lost my poor braincells :(
Op, China
23 January 2012 at 6:11pm
Dee, United States
2 January 2012 at 1:39am
Seniors loved it at the Assisted Living Facility I volunteer for. They were singing it going into the dining hall! I hope they were not having spaghetti and meatballs for lunch! :-)
Dana, Bangladesh
30 December 2011 at 2:01am
how do you enter your own country? im stuck with bangledesh
Aiza, Pakistan
29 November 2011 at 3:30pm
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The stage was set last week as soon as the probable starting pitchers were confirmed for the Braves' three-game series against the Nationals that begins Monday night in Washington. With each team's three most proven starters set to take the ball, whichever team comes away with the series win will make an important statement about the final two months of the National League East race.
After building upon a perfect seven-game homestand with a series sweep in Philadelphia over the weekend, the Braves, who have won a current MLB-best 10 games in a row, can all but lock up the division crown if they stay hot against the Nationals, who are 12 1/2 games back of first place and clawing their way back toward .500 after a draining six-game losing streak coming out of the All-Star break.
Since their figurative backs were pressed against the wall midway through a doubleheader after an 11-0 drubbing at the hands of the Mets on July 26, the Nationals have been playing solid baseball, but the team they're chasing in the East has cranked up its offense in response.
"You are not going to give up on winning the division," first baseman Adam LaRoche said on Sunday, before an 8-5 loss deprived the Nationals of a weekend sweep of the Brewers. "But ... when you lose ground, it makes it harder. It's getting down to the point where [12] games are a lot. We do have some ball left, but it's going to take some really good ball."
Mike Minor and Stephen Strasburg square off on Monday in the first of this series' three compelling pitching matchups. Strasburg has run hot and cold in July and is looking to snap a four-start winless streak in which he has posted a 5.63 ERA and received no more than three runs of support each time out.
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• Strasburg has posted a 1.68 ERA in 11 starts at home this season with a stellar 6-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio at Nationals Park.
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A racing video game that Electronic Arts made in 1995. The first title was Road&Track: The Need For Speed. The first game was only for the PS1, Sega Saturn and the PC. Also in the PC version, they have the special edition of The Need For Speed. In 1997, the sequel began, Need For Speed II. The second game has no cops, no damages and no imports. Then again, the special edition starts once more. After the sequel, they quit making into a special edition and stick it to the real title. In 1998, EA strikes again with a new sequel, Need For Speed III: Hot Pursuit. The cops were in that game for sure. There's no limits to that. In 1999, another sequel will blow our mind, Need For Speed IV: High Stakes. This time they're getting to the damages of the cars. Before there was no addons, the gamers are having an idea. They call it, Downloadable Addon Cars. They create cars from scratch, 3D or 2D. It's only for the PC version. After that, EA want something else besides other cars. There's only one car manufacturer that's from Germany that want something in the game, Porsche. EA acquires the license for the game and then, it was called Need For Speed V: Porsche Unleashed. In Europe, they call it Porsche 2000. It was a different for Unleashed. Later on, they went for the Game Boy Advance to let the GBA owners play it. In 2002, EA revives Need For Speed, once again! They call it for the sequel of Hot Pursuit, Need For Speed VI: Hot Pursuit 2. The cops are getting furious with racing. They will arrest you for the last time. It's for the PS2, Gamecube, Xbox and the PC. In 2003, the exotics are taking a break and they're getting into the tuner side. They call it Underground. Need For Speed VII: Underground was a new game that impresses the tuners who are getting into imports. One of the gamers are not that interested in "rice 'em up" thing. Well beggers can't be choosers, you know. After that, Underground strikes again, once more. Underground was the first start of the game and then they made it to a sequel. Need For Speed VIII: Underground 2 has a fresh start of new ricing out thing. It was a little worse that EA took out the S2000 and the Neon because they don't have anymore money to buy the license again. Right now, EA has a new sequel, again, with a new title, Most Wanted. EA promised a new sequel to impress all racing gamers into a new level. Will EA survive making it? There were other titles from Need For Speed that just had, V-Rally, V-Rally 2, Motor City Online and Underground Rivals. We have an acronym for Need For Speed, NFS. For short, that is. When High Stakes, Hot Pursuit and Hot Pursuit 2 are still active, the pros are making the first High-Poly cars for the ones who own fast computers. They're not suitable for slow ones because it might crash your game. Now the NFS fans are so hyped about their games. Is there going to be a Need For Speed 10? We'll see about it sooner or later.
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Phrase popularized by Tom Cruise in the film Top Gun and commonly applied to those who enjoy participating in activities involving high velocities, including aviation, sky diving, downhill skiing, and most forms of motorsports.
Motorcycle roadracers share a pathological need for speed.
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Same as amphetamine.
Used on streets to define whether you have a need for amphetamine or not.
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