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Vintage Track BikesNew to the forum so hullo everybody. I did a lot of track and road racing as a kid as a member of Dulwich Hill and Bankstown Sports. I also returned as a Veteran and did another 10 years road racing. Unfortunately now, the mind is able but the body is weak.
My Father is a bit of a hoader and he still has some interesting gear. I found today an old Ferretti track bike. Old Dad bought it from Turrini, the Italian Champion on one of his tours to Australia. I rode it for a couple of years before I became too big for it. The bike is mostly complete and is in reasonable condition, given its age. I also found a track tandem that I rode in the NSW State Championships in the very early 70's at Wiley Park. It has the brand name "Jack Taylor" and has 1" pitch chainwheels etc. According to an online search, it was made in 1965. Dad, who is in his 80's has finally decided it is time to sell. Is therr much of a market for this type of equipment?
Re: Vintage Track BikesWelcome!
I'd definitely be interested in the Ferretti track bike if you do want to sell! Depending of coarse on the size and price etc... been chasing a nice track bike I can restore and ride for a while! Would love to see some photos! The tandem sounds great aswell!! Last edited by LoveMiyata on Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Vintage Track Bikes......out of curiosity.... any dura ace 7402 road cranks by any chance????
Re: Vintage Track BikesI would bet that there would be quite a bit of interest in your old bikes especially with the history that comes with them. There's no one to pass them down to is there?
Re: Vintage Track Bikeshi jeff. this week, you're going to get about 40,000 people asking you to sell for less than they're probably worth.
ignore them. take mr fountain's advice, and pass them down to someone who can keep the stories too. they're arguably worth as much as the bikes.
Re: Vintage Track BikesThank you for the replies. I keep coming across lots of stuff but no Dura Ace. The Ferretti is a small frame. Tirruni was a relatively short man and I grew out of the frame. The frame I went to was 21" and I reckon the Ferretti would be about 19.5". I will measure it when I can.
I would like to pass the stuff on, but I am downsizing and the kids think the stuff should be at the tip. If they want to go track racing, they just get an app and challenge their friends online. I have also found a bike that is branded "Carbine". Old Dad reckons it was his father's bike. Anybody know anything about this one? There is also a road frame that was built by Bruce Opperman for Dad in the late 60's. Bruce was an old friend who raced against Dad at the Sports Arena. I doubt if it has ever been ridden.
Re: Vintage Track BikesTake some pictures of the frames and other gear and post it up. I get off over steel track frames and love riding them and generally just buy anything that tickles my fancy ha ha!!
Whatever you do don't take this stuff to the tip! If you decide to sell you may not make a great deal of cash from it, but there will be plenty of hoarders etc who will take it off your hands to ride/hang on the wall!
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+1 to that.. once they're gone, that's a sizeable chunk of you and your fathers history gone my friend. That'd be a damn shame. If the mind is willing why don't you restore them? I find it's almost as enjoyable as riding them.. and when they're shiny and new looking maybe the kids will re-think their harsh judgements!
Re: Vintage Track BikesHi Jeff
Looking forward seeing pictures, especially Carbine etc. and the Jack Taylor sounds great. Happy to help with information you may have, SL
Re: Vintage Track BikesHi Jeff
Welcome. I rode Wiley Park at the Aussies in 1970 as a Junior from W.A. - we stayed at the "Three Swallows Hotel" at Bankstown. Raced Turrini at the Worlds. Like to hear your price on the Frame. Cheers BrentonO Is this the blue frame here (in the first photo) the one you have? (maybe the Frame was a Paletti?) Here's a mid '70's look at Giordano Turrini. Lone Rider- I rode on the long, dark road... before I danced under the lights.
Re: Vintage Track Bikeslove to see photos, and if they are in good nick, don't repaint, keep them original.
any how, pics please, we love to see em. Phil
Re: Vintage Track BikesIgnore your kid's advice about the tip! Preserve it all and sell to those truly interested in preserving our vintage cycling (and your) history Munga's correct about the buyers trying to get a bargain (don't we all love one?), but don't buckle. A fair price helps everyone. Good luck finding appreciative homes!
Re: Vintage Track BikesThe blue bike looks the same and it is definately a Ferretti. The picture was taken at Camperdown and I was there that day, riding as an A grade Juvenile. You may notice that the name on the frame is covered up, as I think Turrini may have changed teams by then.
I remember an open meeting at Lidcombe Oval. During the warm up, Turruni rode up to me and said "thatsa my bike". Sorry that I have not put any pictures up, but I have a lousy pre-paid internet connection. I'll post piccies and maybe even a high def video on youtube.
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Hahah.. classic! - Kym
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Re: Vintage Track BikesTheres plenty of young track racers and collectors out there like my self,
Im 30 and have two Llewellyn's two tommasini's a Harry Quinn ridden by Kenrick Tucker in the 79 worlds A Frezoni track and a cecil walker. The thing is selling them, The best and fairest way is ebay other wise Take some photos email them to me and ill post them up for you if you like. These bikes should go to a good home and i think they will if sold on here.
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No worries, Jeff. Just some info, and as you say the name was covered. FME. In those days it was just stickers, and the bike underneath could be anything. In the photo, Gordy was probably on his own frame, stickered as a Carlton, my guess. It wasn't about the bike, it was the RIDER... and in comps, as you probably know, you wouldn't even look at their bike. It's such a modern thing. My own experience, had a commisioned Track & Road frame built in Paris, by a private builder, who built for most of the World Champs in the 1970's, and who you had to be referred to, as I was by the World Sprint Champion, at the time. Didn't even get them decaled. And to help with your identification, Italian pro team Ferretti operated from 1969-1972 and their team colours were the dark/light blue, and from my understanding the frames for the team were built by De Rosa. Hope that gives you a bit more info. Cheers Lone Rider- I rode on the long, dark road... before I danced under the lights.
Re: Vintage Track BikesPut them up on ebay, and be willing to box, for a buyer to arrange shipping at their cost.
it will then be highlighted on Fixed.org in the members marketplace, and you will have serious interest from hardcore track tragics. Sit back and watch the bids fly. Be sure to list with full history/back story in your listing.
Re: Vintage Track BikesJeff, i just want to say, please stick around the forums, it sounds like you have plenty of stories to tell (like BrentonO and others) and i for one LOVE to hear them! .
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Re: Vintage Track BikesBrentono
Thanks for the information. I do know it was a great bike to ride. Very stable and handled like a dream. I have a Legnano road bike that I got in the early 70's, again an Italian frame. This is a great unit and has done by my reckoning, in excess of 50000 klms. It originally was a metallic light limey green and about 15 years ago I had it repainted Italia Red, of course. In all this time, I have had to replace only the Zeus gearset and the cranks. One of the Campag cranks gave way during a sprint( I must have kicked too hard) and spat the pedal off. It came very close to being very ugly. The crank cracked below the thread for the pedal. I replaced the Capag stuff with some very nice Sugino gear. Not surprisingly, this bike will not be sold. I think I'll be buried on it, with my bottom glued to the saddle.
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If you want to get the most amount of money for your bike and bury it through ebay then thats the way to go but I bet you that it would most likely be baught by some fixie rider destroying the bike on the streets! If its about the money and not the bike then ebay is the way to go! In my opinion that is... and no offence intended towards fixie riders...
Re: Vintage Track BikesI am actually curious though... the Ferretti frame is too small for me... you dont have any 53-55cm track frames you want to get rid of?
Re: Vintage Track BikesI have a Bruce Opperman frame. It is about 21". I think it was Columbus tubing. I really don't know how good it is as it was built for me, but ultimately ridden by my Brother. After I had outgrown the Ferretti, I had another Bruce frame that I preferred. He was prone to falling off, so it has had a few knocks. If you saw him ride, he looked like a cross between a duck and a cement mixer. No style, no speed. Little wonder he kept falling off.
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Classic brotherly love there...I am adding a plus one for Munga's sentiments. Pass it on to someone who will care about its providence. It is great to see the fixie kids out riding instead of Playstation or whatever, but that frame certainly doesn't deserve to have its fork drilled and risers , aero, spokecards put on...
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+1...absolutely those stories are brilliant and i wanna hear more.
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So hilarious but so true, and even frustrating! You think you've got one over them, and boom, thread posted, it's all over, no more bargain lol
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Oakland, the best team in the Majors to this point, will play host to the first two games of the home-and-home series, welcoming in a San Francisco squad that has squandered a 9 1/2-game lead in the National League West over the last month. In spite of the Giants' recent slide, they are still right behind the first-place Dodgers in the division.
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The A's took three of four from the Giants in 2013, which was the first time since 1998 that the teams employed a two-games-each, home-and-home format. Oakland leads the all-time regular-season series, 50-46.
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Moss is tied with Josh Donaldson for the team lead in home runs (19) and RBIs (62).
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"Going back and playing for the first time against them, like I said, it's going to feel weird," the Mariners second baseman said earlier this week.
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Well it seems that what I thought was on 01 is an 02 Im told and I don't know how I messed that up (Dont get old kids!) and Berge, I owe you $10 as I was able to locate two of my pumps!
One pump is connected right to the front bag in the locker and there is another down in the engine well, it looks like it pulls water from an under boat pick up.
Switching over your wiring to new switches should be piece of cake (still). Which means running all new wiring to the pumps is really not necessary if they are all working at the moment. Unless you're looking for ways to tear the skin off your knuckles during the winter months.
- Where are my other pumps?
- How do you get to them? Is there some secret hatch under the carpet? Do I need a midget? Should I train a squirrel? (Like that is ever a bad idea)
- Am I supposed to have six total (plus a bilge pump)?
- Three fills and three dumps?
- It looks like I have 500 gph pumps, is it worth changing out to the 1100s?
And while I am asking questions;
- I found water under my front ballast bag and the boat is inside during our brutal NorCal winter (had to put jeans on today!! UGH!) What is the best way to get it out?
- What is a Gravity I or a Gravity III?
- What is an IBS? (I dont think you guys are talking about dairy products .)
Thanks again, Eric
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Best way to get water out of the under a ballast bag is just remove the bag dry it out. If your refering to the ski locker bag it is holding water due to the bilge area being connected and water sloshes while you tow the boat.
Gavity I or Gravity III is Moomba's way of denoting how many ballast bags came in your system. If you have a Gravity I then it came with 1 bag factory and pumps. Gravity III would mean 3 bag system from the factory.
IBS= Integrated Bow Sac. When you get the V sac for under your bow seats and plumb it in with pumps for filling and draining.
YES in my thoughts replace the 500 with new 700 Tsunami's or 1100 if you can, this only increases fill and lowers wait time on filling and draining.Malo <--- Means--Evil or Mean One. This explains a lot.
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A-dang good question, follow the hoses like you did and you should find them
b-secret hatch-yes at least my 03 did if its a LSV, but it was the whole floor-nothing under there but wires, hoses and a gas tank. mine had 3-4 screws going into the floor sideways from under the side seat bases in the rear, cant remember were else it was screwed down as its been close to 8 yrs since I had that floor up. can be hard to findthem but once removed the floor lifts easily, heavy but easy. really no room under there for pumps tho.
c-thinking so, mostly based off the 6 individual switch's
d-yes, 3 fills/3 dumps-early model year boat would have a very simple system
e-oh heck yes. personally with the arater styles I go the 1200 tsunamis and 1" hose all the way around and keep the hose lengths as short as possible. best bang for the buck I think without going to reversible pumps
1-remove all bags, vacum out all water
2-gravity 1--single front bag, gravity 3--3 bag system
3-IBS= Integrated Bow Sac. V sac for under your bow seats
observation-no hose clamps on the hoses connecting to the bag ?
hope that helpsHey, Its Moomba time
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e-oh heck yes. personally with the arater styles I go the 1200 tsunamis and 1" hose all the way around and keep the hose lengths as short as possible. best bang for the buck I think without going to reversible pumps
...remove all bags, vacum out all water
- Do I remove the bag entirely out of the boat? The only other boat I have had with ballast was my '03 Natique which had hard tanks.
- Any thing special in removing them? - Looks pretty simple
...2-gravity 1--single front bag, gravity 3--3 bag system
3-IBS= Integrated Bow Sac. V sac for under your bow seats
observation-no hose clamps on the hoses connecting to the bag?
hope that helps
11-08-2012, 05:24 PM #15Hey, Its Moomba time
13 Mobius LSV
08 Mobius LSV-sold
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life is about finding the balance between being a responsible adult and staying young at heart
So now I NEED;
- (6) 1200 tsunamis
- 1" hose all the way around
- Quick Connect fittings
- Some hose clamps
That is the "Zipper Effect" sound I hear a lot in my life!
Hopefully when I pull up the carpet, I can easily access the pumps.
***And my projector screen just showed up on a delivery truck!! Another project!!!***
Back then, they didn't use the "Gravity" ballast system nomenclature. In my manual, it refers to the "Bertha" ballast, and it looks like yours is called the "Hippo". I am not 100% correct, but also back then Skiers Choice was using 1 fill pump for all three sacs, with 3 electric valves (one for each sac) that would open when the pump would come on to send the water to the correct sac. If you have that system, then you would have 4 pumps (1 fill, and 3 empty pumps, one for each sac). The fill pump is probably a 2000gph, and you have discovered that the empty pumps are 500gph. The one down in the bilge would be the fill pump (the one that is not the bilge pump) as it must be below the waterline in order to prime. That pump will feed into a manifold with the three valves in it. These valves will run to the sacs. I am not sure where all the pumps and valves are.
As far as switching out the empty pumps, it would help a bit. Be aware of the sizes of the hoses, because if you get the 1100gph pumps, you will have to redo the hoses too, and the 1100gph pumps are a weird 1 1/8" hose. Your boat should have 3/4" hoses, so a 800gph pump should hook right up without swapping hoses. For the valves, some guys upgrade them to better valves that flow better. (Search for Irritrol Valves on the forum.) It seems that most folks just ditch them. If you do that, you have two options. The 6 aerator pump option (3 fill, 3 empty), or the 3 reversible pump option (on pump for each sac that fills and empties, this is how the new boats are done). The reversible pump option is a little simpler to plumb, but those pumps are for 1" lines, so you will have to redo all the lines, and I think the fastest one is 720gph. New fittings for the sacs would also be required.Brian Roberts
2001 Outback DD
You know this is the...
"can of worms"
"pandoras box"
etc etc
Maybe time to back up a little and ask
1- what do you REALLY want out of the system
2- how much are you willing to invest into it
1" hose can be used on the funky T-1200's 1-1/8" fittings with a little persuasion and heat. But like NSCU is saying if you have manifolds and valves to deal with you may just want to gut them all and start from scratch like you are thinking with 6 pumps. My old setup had a single Rule 1100 pump with the line T'd to fill both rears, and each rear had it's own drain pump, all wired to the same switch. I didn't have any valves or manifolds - nor front ballast. My new setup has 6 pumps, 3 switches.
There's lots of debate on aerator vs. reversibles. Both are/can be good.
If you decide to go aerator pumps - I'd be happy to share some advice and pics from when I went through a complete install last year.At the time it seemed like a good idea...
2001 MobiusV
I was thinking the same thing, and since I am redoing the interior and wanting to update the switch covers and relocate/add some switches. I "Zippered" on down this rabbit hole.
What I do know (at least I think I know);
- The current set up is painfully slowwwww!!
- We have a lot of different level boarders/wake surfers and would like quicker fill/dump times
- The pumps aren't that expensive - though it does add up!!
If you decide to go aerator pumps - I'd be happy to share some advice and pics from when I went through a complete install last year.
Then go ahead and change everything out as now the "Zipper Effect" has started!!!! Hey, a guy could have worse hobbies!!
Thanks again, Eric.
And the best part is, I will complete everything on this boat, get bored, sell it (probably at a loss) and buy a newer one, and.....there goes the zipper again!
ZIPPER EFFECT, been a victim myself manytimes.
just gut the whole stock ballast and start fresh. you will be amazed at the speed increase of going to the larger tsunami 1200 pumps.Hey, Its Moomba time
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Steve Lewis/Durango Herald
Steve Lewis/Durango Herald
After scoring just 18 points the entire game the first time around, the Durango High School girls basketball team hung 18 on Fruita Monument in the first quarter Friday.
Unfortunately for the Demons, they couldn�t hang on after the halftime break.
The Wildcats pulled ahead 27-26 at halftime, then used an 18-0 second-half run to put away the pesky Demons 49-36 at the Durango High School gym.
Durango (9-6, 2-4 Southwestern League) jumped out early, stunning a Wildcats team that won 52-18 in the matchup in Fruita earlier this season.
Emily McCue scored eight of her team-high 12 points in that first quarter to bring the Demons an 18-13 advantage after one period.
Durango senior forward Shanelle Bogus said the Demons were bent on proving the last time wasn�t an accurate depiction of their skills.
�I think we were quicker on our feet, and our intensity was higher. I think we had a lot of confidence coming into it, and I think we were lacking that confidence last time,� said Bogus, who scored seven points and grabbed six rebounds.
Bogus is the daughter of Mike and Wendi Bogus.
DHS then would battle toe-to-toe with Fruita Monument (14-6, 5-2 SWL) through the second quarter, and the Demons pulled ahead for the last time at 29-27 on a Molly Barnes� 3-pointer with 5 minutes, 33 seconds left in the third quarter.
But the Wildcats turned up the defensive pressure from there and started burying their shots, scoring 18 consecutive points and not allowing Durango to score again until there was just 3:36 left in the contest on McCue free throws.
The Durango girls wouldn�t bury another field goal until Augusta Brockus� 3-pointer with 2:11 to play.
But by then DHS already had dug itself a 45-31 hole and lost Barnes, likely the team�s best 3-point shooter, to fouls.
On the flip side, Durango wasn�t able to force as many Fruita Monument turnovers after intermission.
The Demons committed 15 of their 32 turnovers after halftime compared to just six of the Wildcats� 20.
Durango head coach Nancy Smith credited the increased effectiveness of Fruita Monument�s pressure defense for finally allowing the Wildcats to shake off the Demons.
�I think it was their great ball pressure,� Smith said.
�We turned the ball over. We talked to our point guards about keeping their head up.
�Coming in, those girls are meeting them right at halfcourt, and (the Demons were) having trouble making an entry pass.�
Brockus chipped in 10 points for Durango.
Samantha Parks led Fruita Monument with 12 points and eight rebounds.
Lauren LaBonde and Vanessa Herrera each had eight points and four rebounds in the Durango home game.
The Durango girls will try to get back in the win column and improve its playoff chances at noon today against Grand Junction Central.
STeve Lewis/Durango Herald


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Saturday, June 8, 2013
| 7 pm
East Building
Tickets available at the door, or call (919) 664-6754
Cruise into summer with the NCMA Foundation at our Art of the Auction fund-raiser. Hors d'oeuvres, small plates, full bar, and a signature cocktail prime your pump for energetic auction bidding.
The silent auction features juried works by local artists as well as items and packages that reflect the Museum's collection and exhibitions, including our upcoming Porsche by Design: Seducing Speed exhibition. Auctioneer Ben Farrell revs up the crowd for a live auction of one-of-a-kind experiences, splendid works of art, and a surprise item that you will not want to miss!
All proceeds from Art of the Auction benefit Museum exhibitions and education programs.
Please contact Mary Blake for details: (919) 664-6807.
Art of the Auction Co-Chairs:
Carole and Brad Wilson
Tracy and Bob Winston
Host Committee:
Hopie and Allen Avery
Libby and Lee Buck
Marion Church
Susan and Dustin Gross
Ashley Harris
Tom Kenan
Jes and Quinton Maynard
Lizzie and Charlie McNairy
Linda and Orage Quarles
Wyndham Robertson
Stephanie and Cliff Rogers
Flo and Charlie Winston
Lynn York and Alan Hirsch
Live Auction Committee:
Libby Buck
Marion Church
Ashley Harris
Rodney Hood
Lizzie McNairy
Grace Robbins