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I don't need that on a 1024x768 screen which is what I use Windows on right now. But what about big Full HD widescreens? There's enough space for three programs next to each other on them.
I don't need that on a 1024x768 screen which is what I use Windows on right now. But what about big Full HD widescreens? There's enough space for three programs next to each other on them.
Just to add: then I can have Windows Live Movie Maker at the left and the Videos folder on the right. That would be useful for me if I had a wider screen.
You can, its called a Macintosh. I normally utterly despise this saying, but this is one of those "you get what you pay for" moments. The more you pay for a computer, generally the less work you need to do. This applies to linux as well - pay someone who set it up for you and you don't have to worry about anything. Pay for enterprise and you've got support staff.
Billion dollar companies do help develop linux, it's just not their responsibility or priority to fix up problems like your driver issues, and its not profitable to them. Companies like IBM and Toyota develop toward linux, but they don't give a crap about YOUR problems, they develop the kernel and other programs that probably don't depend on a GUI.Here's what I've encountered. And apparently there has been no no solution and nobody in a billion dollar companies want to make a small change. One clever person with $ 75k p.a. would be sufficient. But noooo. They have to sweam in honey and tell people to GFT.
I've used a crappy i915 GPU and that doesn't have any kind of tearing. I don't use vaapi so I can't speak on that. What DE are you using that causes freezing menus and crashing under file dragging? I've never encountered that even when CPU load was at 100%.*Intel= ugly video tearing, some window tearing, crushing under vaapi, freezing menus, system crashes under file dragging
I've used fglrx on KDE 4 and have had a VERY smooth experience. Unlike most people, I actually don't encounter almost any issues when I use the catalyst drivers. I do however get problems with the radeon drivers to work on my 5750.*AMD= Catalysts/fglrx = choppy video playback, disgusting video tearing, ugly window tearing, complete instability leading to crashes
I haven't used the proprietary drivers in a while, but I'm currently using the open source ones and I'm not getting any tearing right now. I have a somewhat crappy framerate, but no tearing. Also, if stuff like vaapi and vdpau crash, STOP USING THEM. That's like putting a trailer on a hybrid car and you're complaining because it won't go uphill.*Nvida= ugly video tearing, tearing windows, videos freezing with NVDPAU, no crashes.Linux has no use for end user whatsoever.
Actually, there is. The proprietary drivers specifically let you choose, the intel drivers (AFAIK) have vsync on by default, and many DEs have the option to turn it on and off. If you're using a non-composited DE, maybe it just simply can't vsync.And yet NO SYNC TO VBLANK for any graphics. SHAME and DISGUST!
There doesn't need to be a fix because it already exists. Either pick different drivers, get a different GPU, use a different DE, or stop using linux. You've got 4 choices, and 2 of them don't involve payment of any kind.The major question is WHEEEEEEEEEEN is the fix coming? Who of any Linux coders and contributors to Xorg or kernel called them? Does anyone including Linus watches videos under Linux? Apparently not.
You do...Apple OS and Android do not have these issues, so who gives a fuck? Right?
That grammatical nightmare of a rant shows how you aren't thinking clearly.The most important is that the shitty spywarey mess from google named Android is included in the kernel, because everyone on their laptops and desktops need that shit, I believe. The need of Torvalds to work for Google is more important. Wee don't give a fuck about Google. We useers will not work for Google or intend to work. We are just a bunch of morons who want to watch videos on their computers. But who gives a fuck. GFY yousers.
What is this "2800pci" you speak of? But besides that, nobody is forcing you to use linux on your own time. Nobody is forcing you to use Ralink drivers. Most importantly, if you don't like how something is done, do it yourself, pay someone to do it, or deal with it.Honorable mention:
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9months, Ralink 5390sta pci WiFi has been open sourced and released under GPL, but yet we still have to deal with bad 2800pci for donkeys versions of kernel releases. WTF? Under Windows the latest drivers are like Lamborghini with a tank torque. 2800pci?
Excellent question, I wish I knew the answer.Shove the up yours.?
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Don't even know if this topic could be considered trolling, or it's just a bad case of PEBKAC. I haven't booted in Windows for weeks now, might as well ditch it altogether. Everything works well for me.
XP SP3. I know how to configure Windows, because I started from dos and went through 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista and 7. Some Windows drivers are simply messed up (and system itself). Windows 7 didn't fix BSOD (so I don't understand why did you mention 98), but it contains bugs from dos era which probably won't be fixed till a complete rewrite, so it's justiciable.
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Stop using ubuntu to test the drivers.
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Stop using ubuntu to test the drivers.
It was already proved that Xmir reduce the performance, then why you still use the worst DE for testing the drivers?
Would using straight Mir or Wayland increase the performance at all? I was thinking that maybe they would require less time to prepare/render each frame than X.orgIn looking at the OpenGL frame latency, Ubuntu Linux required more time to prepare each frame than Microsoft Windows 7.
It is slowly deprecating itself out. Unity, Mir, and others, Ubuntu is becoming it's own unique enclave.
Phoronix should recognize this and stop benchmarking with Ubuntu.
Or, stop calling Phoronix a Linux website - and start calling Phoronix an Ubuntu website.
And before the flames come my way, I'm not trying to ostracise Ubuntu. Ubuntu is ostracizing Ubuntu. I'm just recognizing it. They don't want to be with us. It is what it is.
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i'm joking... i use Win8. XD
I don't want to be part of that world where ubuntu is te future XD.#2
The testing used xorg not xmir, as stated on the first page... And according to previous benchmarks the performance of Unity is similar to the other desktop environments. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTM5MzY
Minecraft runs faster on ubuntu 12.04 than on windows 7 using intel i5 2410M 2.3ghz and the intergrated gpu .
Same experience on an older computer (ubuntu 10.04 vs win xp) using a pentium4 3ghz Nvidia geforce 4200Ti
I think its a windows or java problem.
At least its faster at something then windows xD
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Parents believe they are the only ones who teach their children, but the truth is – in my opinion - is the opposite. Proof of my words is my long story with my daughter, Dina, which goes back 35 years ago, during which, my daughter taught me a lot of things.I taught my daughter words, but in return, she taught me the meaning of these words: love, how to love and be loved, unselfishness and unlimited love. She taught me patience, endurance, tolerance and giving.I don't deny that bringing up Dina was a problem for me. She needed special attention and care continuously. There was no one to help or guide me in how to assist this little girl or bring her up. Though my husband is a doctor, nobody guided us. All we recognized then is that this child will need more effort than a more typical child would require.
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This is blown ridiculously out of proportion. This is someone that was copying and pasting carelessly, that's all.
This is blown ridiculously out of proportion. This is someone that was copying and pasting carelessly, that's all.
Ohnoz, Phoronix is doing it again! I so have a bad feeling about this not coming for steam at all.
I still do not believe that Steam will come to Linux. Phoronix saying so doesn't bother me at all (sorry guys, you have no credit here). Svartalf did suggest something along those lines as well and that does bother me though...
Hmpf... when will people learn. Yes it will have a Linux version. And no it will be not a "client" but a "server" version. It's the same old story.
EDIT: And you know also why this won't happen any time in the future? Steam is based exclusively on Windows technology ( IE and many others ). Can't be ported like that. They would have to totally rewrite it from scratch. Ain't gonna happen.
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TBH, I don't want Steam or Steam dependent games on Linux.
I got bitten with HL2 - getting it installed and running is too dependant on things that are out of my control and the willingness of Valve to keep the HL2 authentication/decryption service running.
I'd have loved if Phoronix saved their Steam screenshot from the news page as png, not jpeg. Maybe smaller file size, no quality loss for this kind of image
Man I love Phoronix's optimism when it comes to the possibility of new games on Linux. History has shown, however, that a healthy diet of skeptisism and pragmatism prevents a great deal of disappoint not to mention financial loss *cough*UT3*cough* if you're a gamer and a fan of Linux. Like all game related news on Phoronix, I'll believe it when I see it tatooed on my hard drive's raw, cold, bare metal, ext3-based buttocks.
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Thought-provoking graphs but they do not show the enormous size of the abortion phenomenon in the US: the number of legal abortions in 2010 was one third of the number of live births!
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Thought-provoking graphs but they do not show the enormous size of the abortion phenomenon in the US: the number of legal abortions in 2010 was one third of the number of live births!
As this graphic so clearly demonstrates, just because abortion wasn't legal, doesn't mean it didn't exist.
I've never wanted to have an abortion and I am very glad that so far I haven't had to have one. But I cannot express how much I appreciate the fact that I was born female in the late 70s. My grandmothers and even my mother lived in worlds where their entire existences were dictated by men, right down to the contents of their uteri, and by extension their health, social, and economic welfare. Thank god for reform.
"Though a majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal..."
Do they now?
Not even close.
I expect better of the economist. Really, it was that hard to look up a poll?
The source is Gallup, no wonder the Economist ignored it.
outdated gallup link. try this one - shows uptick you missed in yours:
outdated gallup link. try this one - shows uptick you missed in yours:
Ignore for a moment whether abortion is right or wrong, or whether it is good for society or not. Even ignore the fetus. Think just of the parents, and the mother specifically. What are the reasons a woman would terminate her pregnancy? We have statistics on the counts, but do we have any data on the reasons why a woman would take such action? We can all come up with a list of reasons, sure. But are there any statistics? And have the reasons changed over the years?
We do not have statistics on the count. Do you believe for a second that the abortion rate was zero in 1969 according to the above chart? Do we believe that the population of the country would be 350 million but for Roe? I am an old man and I can tell you credibly that there were plenty of illegal abortion providers before Roe. The incentive for abortion in those days was simple - a single mother was the automatic recipient of the social death penalty, shunned by all. If someone would bother to do an extensive regressive analysis of all the data, I would not be surprised to see that the abortion rate was more or less steady all along. Roe helped us count so the debate could be informed, but I challenge anyone to show me evidence of 50 million additional dead babies on account of Roe.
"Those who side with Jane Roe" is a most ambiguous phrase. Norma McCorvey, the Jane Roe of Roe vs. Wade is now an ardent pro life campaigner speaking from coast to coast. Do mean the position her lawyers took in the case or her current conviction on the issue?
Pro-life, Culture of life, and all the other marketing slogans have always been a big lie. America believes in killing people. Always has, does now, and probably always will. Put on a uniform, go to a foreign country, kill their citizens, including non-combatants, and its no problem. Convict someone of murder, or a lesser offence, and take that person's life. Again, no problem. I have listened to many anti-choice people spout moralistic nonsense about the life of the unborn, saving fetuses with severe abnormalities, doomed to a life of pain and suffering, but ask them if it was okay to rip out the throat of some 17 year old Iraqi conscript and they will say sure, why not.
I hope that you don't allow the hypocrisy of these people to form your judgement of the pro-life movement. John Paul II used "Culture of Life" to describe a way of life or societal order where ALL human life- from conception to natural death- is sacred. People who are against abortion but support the death penalty are anti-abortion, not pro-life. Ending human life in war is only acceptable if the war is just. Obviously this is open to interpretation, but I would say that almost all wars are unjust, or at least aren't worth ending human life.
You are confusing morality with justice. And remember that Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives, Pro-choice and Pro-life approved overwhelmingly supported the Iraqi invasion, so don't slant it as a pro-life negative. The death penalty should be used for justice, for murderers. Yes it is a corrupt system but does it validate killing the child in the womb?
The question always I ask myself is: would I eliminate a 2/3 months fetus with my own hands that were possible? I just wouldn´t...
But would you kill a person - not a fetus - if your government told you to do it? Some 17 year old Iraqi conscript? A person convicted of murder through circumstantial evidence?
The American military is volunteer based, so they wouldn't be forced to do it per say.
At the very end is a moral discussion... It´s like making a graph of deaths and robberies.. of course if you legalize robberies you will have less deads and robberies will increase. But at the very end the only question that matters is: is robbery good or wrong for humanity?? And there anyone can have his own opinion based on whatever he wants/believes..
Seems to be kind of odd that the number of abortions is at least standardized as number per 1000. I don't see that the number of abortion-related deaths is other than just a raw number. If that is the case the roughly 50% increase in population since 1970 would yet more emphasize the decrease in deaths.
All is a question about axes.
If we do the math for the y-axis a little differently, we see the havoc right away:
20 abortions per year per 1000 women aged 15-44 equals an average of
0.6 killed fetuses per woman in her fertile life.
The peak was 0.9
Whatever you may think about women's rights, the scale of this carnage is horrific.
Boy oh Boy!! It surprises me that men across the US are busy forcing their opinions, judgments and moral arguments on women concerning something they have no idea about for the simple reason – they never get pregnant.
I am happy I don't call myself Christian that too an American variety ;)
I think future generations will look at abortion with the same look that we have on slavery in the States.
Or, rather, at state control of women's reproductive rights. We're seeing which way the world is evolving.
Really? Abortion has been around for thousands of years in pretty much every culture. This is hardly anything new. Seeing as abortion is going to happen anyway regardless of whether it legal or not don't you think the massive drop in abortion related deaths is a net positive? If you think that abortion will go away if you make it illegal I point you to the illicit drug industry as an example of how well that works.
Mississippi will regulate abortion out of existence: http://littlebiggy.org/viewSubject/4755909
It has already.
The debate about when life begins, It must be based on a strong scientific base, today we have a huge problem, the problem is that ordinary people without any scientific base is capable of define when life begins, this definition is made solely on pretty subjective perceptions, its surpresing that in 21th century people is capable to define such an important issue without any scientific base, just on a subjective perception, mainly to protect a style of life based on a pansexualism view of life.
If you are a litle more objective on your point of view, and having at least a reference of a scientific base, you will realize that when there is a conception, there is a different DNA from that one of the mother, its interesting that in criminal investigations, what defines a person as different from other is his DNA, and this is because what make us humans and unique is our unique genetic code DNA, so why women should have the right to make whatever she wants with her own body? Its quite easy to see that it´s not her body, the fetus is not her body, since the DNA from this fetus is absolutely different from that one of the woman, this is just a scientific conclusión and not a subjective conclusión....
As a conclusion, I call all of you to make conclusions on scientific base, not on subjectives points of views, made to justify an style of life based on the satisfaction on sexual pleasure... remember scientifically the life is originated when there is a different DNA, so scientifically life starts with conception, because it origins a new DNA, a new structure for life, a new life....
If only the right could appreciate that argument about biodiversity. In fact, every living animal has different DNA. So if you eat meat and make that argument, then you are a horrible hypocrite.
I hate when meat eaters call themselves pro-life. Because every time you eat meat, you are killing an animal. And I would bet that you eat meat far more frequently than any woman has an abortion.
I don't think those who believe the SOUL enters the body at "Conception" ( not a scientific concept) can be influenced by "science". There is a value judgement here which is NOT SCIENTIFIC in nature.
Are you thereby equating a human being with an animal?
Latinman never mentioned SOUL. Why do you bring SOUL into the discussion. He specifically said that a different DNA signifies that their is a life different from the woman developing inside the woman and because of that the woman is not entirely free to threat that new life as it pleases her.
I am only pro (human) life. Men are not animals, although some of them behave like one.
I am only pro (human) life. Men are not animals, although some of them behave like one.
Plants are people too you know..... Just sayin. Life is life, death is death. There is no getting around it, but we can please ourselves with verbal constructs. Plenty of lefty meat eaters BTW, plenty of right wing vegans too.
Animals and humans: two different things.
20 abortions per 1000 women (age 15-44) per year. There are 50 million women in that age group so that's 1 million abortions per year. I never know the industry was that large.
STOP DOING THE MATH!! It is bad for business and just makes things messy.
STOP DOING THE MATH!! It is bad for business and just makes things messy.
The "abortion related deaths" tally, it should be noted, does not count the death of fetuses.
The author might want to note that Jane Roe (real name: Norma McCorvey) is now a leading Pro-Life activist. So, by the way, is Mary Doe (real name: Sandra Cano).
Yes, there is a strong tendency to become pro-life when it no longer affects YOUR options. Such changes are NOT indicative of a real change in philosophy of life.
Right... Because a scared 18 year old obviously has a clear and unchangeable life philosophy and couldn't possibly have been a confused kid used by high profile lawyers with an agenda.
I have NO INDICATION attorneys did any manipulation or other unethical conduct as you state. Stick to FACTS and you MAY find your statements are truer and stronger. If you need to avoid facts, that is a big red flag.
Are you kidding? The lawyers wanted a case to bring to the Supreme Court and they found Norma. I didn't say that the lawyers broke the law or had any malicious intent toward McCorvey. But, obviously they were looking to promote a position. And she was a young, pregnant high school drop-out who had been abused by her alcoholic mother and then by her (ex)husband. She had various psychological troubles, was unemployed, and generally in a rough spot in life.
She later accused the lawyers of mistreating her... I take that with a grain of salt, since anything they did very well might have come across that way, but I think it is indicative of her general state of confusion at the time.
You're the one accusing her of being a fraud. You're claiming that her position on the issue in that situation was somehow more real than her position when she was a full-out adult with the time and space to think things through without pressure.
I'm just saying that she finished growing up, got her life in order, and got a chance to consider things more fully.
"Leaving them in place is a cheap way for politicians to place themselves on one side of a culture war without having to accept the consequences of their position."
The worst result of decisions like Roe v Wade is that pols learned that they could let problems fester until the courts stepped in to deal with them. Then there is much sound and fury, signifying nothing, for constituents who oppose the decision. It is the easy way to be a legislator, never having to take a stand in advance that requires a vote to confirm it.
I found the timing of Roe v Wade unfortunate, in that state legislatures were already confronting the issue.
In 1965, the SCOTUS suddenly realized that in the US, women vote, too.
This year, they'll face the fact that gays do also.
You do know that Supreme Court justices aren't elected, right?
You know that SCOTUS justices are appointed and confirmed by elected officials, right?
I believe everyone discussing this issue agrees that life has value and should be protected, but the argument centers around what the definition of human life should be. I find any effort to assign the value of life to a person based on an arbitrary age disturbing, and birth in the end is an arbitrary age. It reminds me of efforts by other societies to assign value to human life based on racial background, gender, social status, or other distinguishing factors, usually leading to discrimination and sometimes to extermination of those groups. Abortion should be an option in cases of rape and incest, and when the life of the mother is threatened, but to end a life for mere convenience as in the vast majority of cases in the statistics above is clearly wrong. I would rather we all err on the side of protecting life.
Self serving logic.
But anyway, here is an interesting take on the connection between the rise of anti-abortion sentiment in whites and the rise of out of wedlock births among that group.
The term "mere convenience" may hide the unraveling of an entire society if this connection is real. It is food for thought no matter where you stand on where life begins or if abortion should be legal and safe.
"...but to end a life for mere convenience..."
This statement is red meat for the right.
I would argue that a woman deciding "I don't want to raise my child in poverty" is not about "mere convenience".
How is the OP's logic self serving? Is it not reasonable to question at what point in the development of life a fetus becomes a human being? Perhaps I am wrong about this (and I would appreciate direction to the appropriate scientific literature if I am), but I am not certain that medicine/science has yet given us a definitive answer to this question. Perhaps more importantly, is it even a question that is within the realm of scientific discovery, or is it simply a question of metaphysics?
I would argue that the aforementioned question *rarely* (if ever)comes up.
(In anticipation of your next questions: "Yes:" I'm a man. "No:" I'm an Independent).
Our society values expedience and disposability...is it really that far-fetched to believe abortion is just another source of that very expedience?
And before you label me, or otherwise chastise my opinion: I believe abortion should be legal. And rare.
So kill the child before he tastes that awful, awful poverty. Better to be butchered in a fetal abattoir than live poor, amirite?
As for the "red meat for the right" bit, abortion is one of those rare political issues on which left and right seem to have swapped ideologies: right-wingers talk of equality, human rights and "defending the innocent", while left-wingers fetishise "choice", selfishness and unbridled individualism.
To quote the late great late Christopher Hitchens in his column for the Nation. "Anyone who has ever seen a sonogram or has spent even an hour with a textbook on embryology knows that emotions are not the deciding factor. In order to terminate a pregnancy, you have to still a heartbeat, switch off a developing brain . . . break some bones and rupture some organs."
"Better to be butchered in a fetal abattoir than live poor, amirite?"
Is this something you can discuss rationally, or only emotionally?
"I would argue that the aforementioned question *rarely* (if ever)comes up."
Unless you counsel young women at Planned Parenthood, I would politely suggest that you don't know how often it comes up.
"Our society values expedience and disposability.:
Declarative statement. Source?
"And before you label me..."
Given that you've labeled women above as likely to have made their decision because of "expediency and disposability", I'd suggest that you treat others the same way you are being asked to be treated.
"I believe abortion should be legal. And rare."
From what I've seen, most voters in the US feel abortion should be legal, safe and rare.
Science gives us a definitive answer to the point that it can. A new human organism is formed at conception. When that organism becomes "a person," or whatever term you want to use for it, is more of a philosophical issue.
Poverty is relative. Are we talking about American idea of poverty? of Asian or African definitions of poverty? Steve Job, Justin Bieber almost got aborted for such reasons.
Does that mean you propose that a woman has a right to kill her 3-year old if she lost her job?
Nope. You?
Sounds like you've got me pegged Dialectic!
I didn't source ANY of my opinion from books, articles or interviews with Planned Parenthood workers. I hope that doesn't mean I can't play in the sand box with you?
You certainly don't NEED to agree with my suggesting there's a correlation between society's disposable mindset and abortion as a matter of expedience...but you'll be missing a good dose of common sense if you do!
By the way, I was wondering if you had any statistics backing YOUR argument (that women weigh their decision to abort against the potential for living in poverty)?
"...but you'll be missing a good dose of common sense if you do!"
You're making claim to all common sense? Interesting debate tactic.
Anyway, demonizing women who terminate their pregnancies does not make for a helpful discussion, in my view.
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Hunter Pence was an excellent pick up - exactly what we should have done last season instead on Beltran. Hopefully we can end this slide.
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I agree... we should have traded Wheeler to Houston for Pence last year. But I am glad we have him now. I like our outfield. Still iffy on our infield. But we are a much better team than our 2010 one.
After game one I didn't like our chances - just didn't feel like there was any momentum. After game two, I felt like the series was over given our lack of offense and the fact that Great American Ball Park has been a house of horrors for the Giants over the past few seasons. Game three was cool and all, but a 2-1 10 inning game didn't conjure much optimism in a series that the offense hadn't yet shown any signs of life. Plus we still needed two more wins in a hitter's yard that we've played poorly at, to make it three straight to stay alive. Then game four happened... The contributions on offense and Timmy's excellent relief performance... just awesome.
I had to work today, but I was about to watch the play-by-play on mlb.com and listen to it. I was in a meeting with the CFO of our company when Posey hit that granny and my phone started blowing up. Not sure if I would rather see the hot Cards that only won 88 games in the regular season or the Nats who are idiots for shutting down one of the best pitchers in the NL, but are still the better team IMO... I know I would like to see Timmy get a start in the NLCS. I think he is a big game pitcher, yeah he had a **** season, but 2010 was rocky for him as well and he stepped it up every time we needed him to down the stretch and in the postseason. |
I want the Cards. Play the matchup, baby. My brother was at the ass-beating the Nats laid on us this year. That single outing derailed Vogey's entire season. I'd waaaay rather have Bochy up against managerial rook', Matheny.
Good call. Looks like you got your wish too. Long road trip for the Cards - 3 in the capital, then travel to the other end of the continent for 2 games in SF. |
The two keys to the series are Pence and the rabbits. While I'm all in favor of Hooch's rally speeches, the Giants can't afford him to have another 4-for-20 series with no RBI's. Especially in STL, like CIN, where the ball just flies. The Giants don't have the bats to be able to afford Pence the luxury of a post-season slump. And the top of the order needs to wake up. Scoot and Pagan were only a combined 6-for-40 in the series and it's no secret, the Giants are a far more offensively potent team when those guys produce. Gotta be honest, with the way the starting pitching is looking uncharacteristically vulnerable, I'm worried about these duels against Carpenter and Wainwright. Game 1 becomes all the more important. Let's hope the bullpen can keep looking so bullet-proof... GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD |
Welp. Pence and the rabbits did their jobs; combining a .285 average (4-for-14) with 2 runs, but my uneasiness about the starting pitching blew up in my face as Bumgarner was flat out bad last night. You can't blame Pence for staying RBI-less with Posey and Sandoval taking 0'fers.
Gotta split tonight. Can't rely on 2 huge road trips to save us. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD |
yeah, tonight needs to be approached as a must win, but the pitching matchup favors the Cards who have Carpenter taking the mound. I'd like to see a low scoring affair - pull it out in the 6th or later. However we do it, we can't have our starting rotation (once the strength of this club... month ago?) dig us a 4+ run hole. Vogeltron was decent in that Houdini act he pulled out last series, but he'll need to keep it manageable for at least 6 inning this time around.
Larry Krueger brought up 2 excellent points on the radio thus morning.
First, he noted that in all 6 playoff games thus far, the Giants starting pitching hasn't produced a quality start - which isn't THAT tough of a mark to get. "Quality" starts don't even live up to their namesake, according to Krukow. Giving the opposition their fair credit, the Giants have faced (to my mind) the two most potent NL lineups in the game (with all due respect to Washington, I think the Cards and Reds are both more dangerous). But to not even have a single quality start, for a team whose calling card is supposed to be pitching, is just flat out bad. But the second point Krueger made us a little more worrisome to me: the Cards are a .500 team against right-handed pitching. Against lefties, they're winning 65% of their games. The Giants' left-handers are a huge advantage to be neutralized like that. Not only are Zito and Bumgarner a top 3 tandem for lefties in an NL rotation, but Affeldt, Lopez, and Mijares are 3 guys out of the pen that are hugely beneficial to this team. Lopez is perhaps the best situational lefty in the game, Affeldt is a guy that can go 2 innings when needed, and Mijares is pretty much the median between them (solid specialty guy, can occasional toss an inning when he's hot). The Cardinals' boppers all crush lefty pitching: Beltran, Holiday, Freese, Molina, Craig... They ALL prefer LHP. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD |
2012 vs 2010 lineup:
1. A. Pagan > A. Torres Torres had regular season pop, but Pagan has been throttling lead off homers, along with his superior average and speed. Both guys enjoyed career seasons but I'll take Pagan's bat over Andres' any day. 2. M. Scutaro = F. Sanchez Emotional leader 2nd basemen; both showed up in the playoffs. I've been touting Scoot as Freddy's doppelgänger for 2 months. 3. P. Sandoval < A. Huff Not to be confused with this year's Huff, Aubrey was the engine that drove the 2010 Giants. Sandoval hasn't been as bad in the NLCS, but Huff delivered constantly. 4. B. Posey = B. Posey I'm being polite here. Aside from a salami, Posey has underperformed compared to his 2010 self. 5. H. Pence < C. Ross Even if Pence wasn't hitting like a bag of dicks, you can't beat Ross the Boss in October. 6. B. Belt = P. Burrell Burrell had the power, Belt has the eye. Neither have done much to help the squad in the postseason. 7. G. Blanco = J. Uribe My whipping boy all postseason long has emerged as one of the G's best hitters. Uribe had sporadic pop, but Blanco is getting it done at a better pace. 8. Brandon Crawford < E. Renteria On paper, this year's team should be the superior one, but the lineup needs to wake up. Somebody, please, remind these fools who they are. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS DIE HARD |
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Scuturo and Pagan both coming back... their prices weren't too ridiculous either. Giants keeping the money in house.
Happy about both signings, but we may have over extended a little on Scuturo. He had a Huff like season that won't carryover, but we are thin in the middle infield.
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Its only 20 mill for 3 years. For the Giants, its not a big deal. they are trying to win another one next year.
The second base market is super thin; you needed to bring back Scoot. But $40 million for Angel Pagan is STEEP. Guess Gary Brown is waaaay less impressive than everyone thought...
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Red Bull KTM Factory racing rider Antonio Cairoli on Sunday claimed his 58th career GP victory in the Grand Prix of Brazil winning both the individual MX1 race and the Super Final after successfully hunting down Kevin Strijbos just as the two-lap board went out.
The races were held at the Beto Carrera theme Park in Brazil, the biggest in Latin America, which is also to host the 2017 edition of the MotoCross of Nations.
Jeffrey Herlings won the MX2 GP with a win in the MX2 race but the Dutch teenager came off the bike in the start melee of the 40-rider Super Final and had to fight his way back from the back of the field. He was unable to catch lead KTM rider Jose Butron who was the fastest MX2 rider in the Super Final but still came away with 47 points and the MX2 victory. Herlings up until now has won every individual moto with his KTM 250 SX-F this season. He was joined on the MX2 podium by Butron in second place and factory teammate Jordi Tixier in third.
Some 25,000 spectators were treated to a top weekend of racing where Herlings started the action with a great fight back to the front of the pack in the individual MX2 race, the first on the program. He missed the start and saw Dutch rider Glen Coldenhoff take the lead followed by UK rider Jake Nichols, both on KTMs. Herlings was on Coldenthoff's rear wheel with six minutes and two laps to go and went on to take an impressive and crowd-pleasing win.
When the MX1 riders took to the track for their individual race it was clear that Tony Cairoli was on a mission. Decked out in his special yellow helmet and boots, he shot out of the start gate, seized the holeshot and had distanced himself from the other riders by eight seconds just eight minutes into the race. He controlled the moto and never looked threatened, saying after that he liked the track, which was very technical. Cairoli's factory teammate Ken de Dycker, who finished ninth in the MX1 race bounced back to take fifth in the Super Final. He finished seventh overall in the MX1 GP.
Cairoli, who won the world title here two seasons ago, said he was happy to ride in front of such an enthusiastic crowd. "I was looking forward to racing this GP. I like the track and the people really cheer for you. Its very special to win here and to put on a show for these people." He dedicated his 58th career win to the memory of Marco Simoncelli, the Italian road racer who lost his life in a racing accident in 2011. "I am going to give this trophy to his father" Cairoli said. Simoncelli raced with the #58.
De Dycker said he was missing some condition this weekend because he has had problems with his back and has not been able to train enough on the bike. "I was struggling with myself this weekend and I didn't feel like I had any power. Now I will concentrate on training in Belgium and Italy to get ready for the next GP."
Herlings, a huge crown favorite in Brazil because of his exciting style of riding was clearly disappointed to lose his first race of the season even though he won the GP. "Now I will make it my goal to win every GP. It's very tough to race the Super final. With 40 riders on the track from both MX1 and MX2 anything can happen, especially at the start," he said. Tixier was also pleased to be back on the podium and to pick up good points for the championship, even though he said he was not satisfied with his riding this weekend. Both will now return home and concentrate on training in preparation for the next GP in France in two week's time.
The top 20 riders from both MX2 and MX1 contested the Super Final, a race format that has been adopted this year for the 'fly away' races in Qatar, Thailand and Brazil. A fourth race planned for Mexico was cancelled. Races in Europe are presently still run on the 2 x moto format for each class.
Results MX1 Race 1
1. Tony Cairoli (I), KTM, 39:15.493 min
2. Max Nagl (D), Honda, 39:18.510
3. Clement Desalle (B), Suzuki, 39:20.241
4. Gautier Paulin (F), Kawasaki, 39:39.935
5. Jeremy van Horebeek (B), Kawasaki, 39:45.826
Other KTM
9. Ken de Dycker (B), KTM, 40:06.391
14. Jonathan Barragan (E), KTM, 41:13.676
Results MX2 Race 1
1. Jeffrey Herlings (NL), KTM, 40:08.386 min
2. Glenn Coldenhoff (NL), KTM, 40:20.066
3. Jake Nicholls (GB), KTM, 40:24.937
4. Jordi Tixier (F), KTM, 40:32.097
5. Mel Pocock (GB), Yamaha, 40:38.801
Other KTM
6. Jose Butron (E), KTM, 40:40.723
Results MX1/MX2 Super Final
1. Cairoli, 40:49.230 min
2. Kevin Strijbos (B), Suzuki, 40:52.060
3. Desalle, 41:14.836
4. Paulin, 41:20.308
5. De Dycker, 41:30.351
Other KTM
10. Butron, 41:58.485 (fastest MX2 rider)
13. Herlings, 42:12.491 (second fastest MX2 rider)
15. Tixier, 42:18.203 (third fastest MX2 rider)
Classification MX1 GP
1. Cairoli
2. Desalle
3. Strijbos
4. Nagl
5. Gautier
Other KTM
7. De Dycker
Classification MX2 GP
1. Herlings
2. Butron
3. Tixier
4. Coldenhoff
5. Dean Ferris (AUS), Yamaha
Stanings MX1 after 6 of 17 rounds
1. Cairoli, 305 points
2. Paulin, 260
3. Desalle, 247
4. De Dycker, 229
5. Strijbos, 198
Standings MX2 after 6 of 17 rounds
1. Herlings, 325 points
2. Tixier, 237
3. Coldenhoff, 205
4. Butron, 193
5. Charlier, 180


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Usability Issues in Pulse iPhone App
Pulse is a news reader that aggregates feeds from various sources using RSS and presents them in an attractive interface. I've been using RSS readers for a while and at a first glance Pulse seemed like a great leg up from the existing apps such Reeder or Byline. It feels like you're using a proper app with all the goodies of immersive experience instead of a web browser wrapped in an app. Steve Jobs showed off the iPad version of the app in his keynote and there have been lots and lots and lots of rave reviews about the app, so I won't go into those details but focus on the issues instead.
The Key Differentiator Is the Problem
This is a classic example of how not to design for multiple devices. This interface was designed for iPad and it worked great there, but the problem started when the exact same UI was scaled down for the iPhone. Now when you start off its all hunky dory, but when the novelty wears off, you realize it's not that usable. Here's a comparison between BBC, which has a layout similar to Pulse.
Now I understand the need to stand out and be unique, but that can't come at cost of basic usability. As described above, this layout works for BBC because it has control over its content but won't work for someone who sources their content from independent feeds and has no control over their content.
I suggest something on the lines of TIME layout, which works better when you cannot exert control over the content.
I understand the business need to stand out and be unique, but that cannot come at the expense of basic usability. If there is a business need to present content in a particular manner, the designers should at least give users the choice to shift to a layout that aids efficient and easy consumption of the content.
The Pulse news reader interface was designed for iPad and it worked great there, however, the adaptation of the interface from iPad to the iPhone by scaling it down created a broken user experience.
- Users expect delightful experiences across devices.
- UIs created for one device may not work for others.
- Understand the context in which you application will be used.
- Understand the limitations and strengths of the device and other dependencies.
- Adapt the content presentation to achieve a great experience for each device.
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This is really interesting to read somebody else's opinion on Pulse for the iPad and iPhone. I actually thought about 6 months ago that there was an issue, but I prefer using Pulse on my iPhone rather than iPad. It could just be that I used the iPhone version first, so that created an expectation that it would be a similar experience.
One that that we both agree on is that resized versions of the same application are generally not a good idea. Even with games, there are big differences in the experience (ex: Infiniblade). With both the Apple's UIViews and Customer Views alike, there need to be subtle differences that are more suitable for the provided screen real estate.
I don't mind the images not showing up as much as the headline text exceeding the margin most of the time. You need to be able to read news in a news reader, and if headlines won't show up properly, that's a deal breaker for me. I like the fact that you've provided alternate design suggestions as well.
I use Pulse a lot. I also use other aggregators such as SkyGrid and Feedly. What constantly drives me insane are theses hack job articles talking about black and white Usability issues when all I'm hearing from this article is that Pulse doesn't display images when the feed it incorporates doesn't supply any. This is NOT a usability issue - it's a functional problem inherent to all feeders. The comparisons made here are from different apps which are not native aggregators (but I bet they collect news/stories from other sources not their own.
Pulse is a great tool for scanning through stories. I find this hackjob article baseless except that "in your opinion" the app has usability problems since it won't show images when none are available. And while your takeaways are valid, your use of this app and the manner in which you approached the topic are irresponsible as a strategist. I realize this is a clash of mental models but you offer no facts or even a heuristical approach.
Really liked the article!
If you have different screen sizes, make different interfaces!
Scrolling through a list feels natural on an iPhone, and the pulse squared layout don't. Tried using pulse with one hand? Half of the content is hidden because your hand is over them! And it's impossible to click on the 3rd column (if you are right handed, of course)


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What is the relation, if any, between this and MPI?
Phoronix: A Generic AMP/IPC Framework For Linux
Being proposed by Ohad Ben-Cohen for integration into the mainline Linux kernel is a generic AMP/IPC framework. This a-symmetric multi-processing (AMP) framework with inter-process communication (IPC) integration makes it possible to control remote processors and communicate messages with these remote processors. This work is the primary target of modern SoC devices...
What is the relation, if any, between this and MPI?
The article should have answered that question. I wonder too why anyone needs this since there's MPI. But I guess Michael is not familiar with the topic and just copy&pasted news here, so it's up to the reader to find out what this is all about.
Asymmetric is one word, you know...
Hopefully this will make it possible to have a process where the can be different coprocessors working together without help from the main processor.
(For as far as that is desirable of course. )
I really hope to see all kinds of advanced features with this framework.
Go, go, go!


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I've played Diablo 3 enough to get a couple of characters up into the 50s. I played earlier this morning for a short while... no problems connecting. Whatever flagged these very vocal gamers for getting banned was not the fact that they are using wine.
I am reading through the thread right now and REALLY want to take down the names of the idiots saying that "unsupported operating system = ban" just to shame them later. Too many idiots.
I think Blizzard gamers playing on Linux need to make a petition.
Blizzard uses Linux for Battlenet for AGES now.
There are a lot of people who buy and pay for Blizzard products, but have to play it via WINE.
Blizzard should finally get over this and make official Linux clients for its games.
Even if its made via winelib, it should be official, should be CRC'able so it plays well with their anti-cheating system.
Dualbox w/ Windows. Problem solved.
For fucks sake people, just because someone uses linux doesn't mean they aren't cheating.
Me and my buddies have played multiple expansions of World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2, and Diablo 3 under wine with no issues from Blizzard. This leads me to believe these people are cheaters plain and simple...
Just so you know guys, I was banned too a couple of days ago so I can confirm this is still happening..
Play-on-linux, ubuntu 64bits.
The funny thing was I only played for like 5 hrs just to try out the game... (used the starter edition trial installer) and then I got busy I never touched the game for like 2 weeks. Then blizzard emails me telling me my account is suspended and I'm using unathorized software and hacks..
Although I was never planning to buy the game as I am too busy to play full time ( I just wanted to play till level 5 or something just to see what it was about as I was a huge diablo 2 fan), I contacted them with all the info, asking them to lift the ban and to confirm whether they just banned me for using wine.
Here's the crappy answer that I got...
Anyhow, lesson learned... uninstalled it in two seconds and never looked back. I'll just stick to playing Torchlight or something easy that has better linux supportCode:Greetings, Thank you for contacting us. An additional review of the action taken against the Diablo III account on email@example.com has been completed. We have confirmed our initial findings, and the account action will not be reversed or changed. Actions are based on the violation's severity and take previous violations into consideration. This action was taken in accordance with the Terms of Use (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/) and our Diablo III Policies (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-policies), which all players acknowledge and agree to before logging into the game. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to enjoy their time in Diablo III. Thank you for respecting our position. Sincerely, Customer Services Blizzard Entertainment www.blizzard.com/support
Diablo III was a fail on every level.