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I'm using the WP-17 that came with the machine which I understand is limited to 150 amps. Occasionally I need the extra 50 amps up to 200 amps. Since I don't want to damage the torch, can anyone recommend an upgrade whether it be Weldcraft or CK that would give me that extra 50 amps without going water cooled? I'll need the extra amps for AC Aluminum. It's impractical and penny unwise for me to buy a water cooler.
By the way, this is one nice machine. Suits my needs well.
PS typo in the title. Meant " Sync 200 " for Syncrowave 200
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Upgrade torch for the Sycn. 200
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You can, but you will need an adapter from the WP17 to a WP26.
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I have a coolmate 4 and a 25' #20 water torch for sale.. I used this with my sync 200, I am selling the welder so I don't need the cooler and torch anymore.
If your interested pm meLast edited by benny365; 04-04-2013 at 01:22 PM.
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You should get a cooler and water cooled torch.
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I agree a water cooled torch is the way to go, It doesn't lend itself to portability but then again neither does the syncrowave machines.
I love the size of the smaller #20 torch.
the coolmate 4 s rated at like 600 amps, so it will keep a sync 200 torch plenty cool.
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Ratings and duty cycles
I used to think like you did, that if I ran the torch over 150 amps I would ruin it. But if you look at the actual rating on the WP17 torch vs the Sync. 200 rating, they are pretty well matched, which makes sense. The Sync 200 is rated at 150 amps at 40% duty cycle, and the WP17 torch is rated at 125 amps AC at 60% duty cycle. The Sync 200 is rated at 125 amps at 60% duty cycle, just like the WP17 torch. At 200 amps, the Sync 200 is rated for 20% duty cycle. As you get close to 200 amps, you will have to spend a lot of time waiting around while the welder and the torch cool. I think that if you are careful you should not burn up a WP17 torch. If the torch gets hot set it down and take a break. If you tap the pedal without welding you will get a burst of cooling gas through the torch, in case you get impatient. Or just run compressed air through the torch. If you get a big torch to run 200 amps then you may find you are having thermal shutdown with the welder.
I went the other way on my Sync 200, I use a CK9 torch most of the time. It is a smaller air cooled torch, same size as the WP-20 water cooled torch, rated for 125 Amps AC at 100% duty cycle. So on paper, it will carry more power than the WP17. I have run my Sync 200 with my WP17 torch at 200 amps, but not for any length of time.
By the way, Tig Depot was very good to deal with on the CK9 torch, and I am sure that they would sell you a WP-26 at a reasonable price if you felt you needed it. I bought a complete setup, cable, DIN connector, etc, so I can quickly switch torches. The smaller torch also has a lighter super-flex cable, very nice.
The other question is how often you really use the full 200 amps. You might have the dial turned to 200 amps but only have the pedal floored for a short time. If you are running 200 amps a lot then you have the wrong welder, in my opinion.
I would be interested in hearing if anybody with a Sync 200 has burned up their WP17 torch, or do they just set it down when it gets hot. I confess that I usually TIG weld around 100 amps, plus or minus.
My two cents.
Richard, your post is worth much more than .02 cents worth. The duty cycle match between the machine and the torch pretty well convinced me to stick with what I have. When the torch starts getting a little too hot, give it a rest. If the aluminum is too heavy, I'll use my spool-gun with the MM252.
It would be nice to have a machine that could run 250 amps at 60% duty cycle, but that would take some major changes in my garage electrical anyway. Most of the aluminum projects I have are light weight stuff.
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I've been welding 0.145" wall aluminum pipe on 160+ amps AC for over a year using the WP17 torch that came with my 200. The torch definitely gets hot; I wear a thicker glove on the torch hand versus the filler hand to compensate. My torch hasn't melted or malfunctioned yet.
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I have a sync 200 and I normally weld on solid 316 stainless which is machined into large valves and pipe with a 1" to 2" wall thickness. I regularly run my machine at 160 to 200 amps and run it until the lead starts to get hot on my leg. I have only overheated two or three times and now I guage that on the temperature of the torch lead. I have issues with my collets getting to hot and twisting up. I should upgrade to a bigger machine, but just haven't worried about it yet. I recently used a lincoln precision tig for the same stainless valve, and it seemed to have a much shorter duty cycle.


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Obviously you want to hear Jane Lynch's voice when reading her memoir.
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I have not.
The narration was too slow.
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It definitely pulls you in. Some parts are slower than others but it kept me engaged throughout.
Will probably listen to it again.
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It was a memoir, so...
It made me laugh often. It was a little too dark and depressing at times, but did not make me cry.
There were a few slow points, some times when I got tired of his voice, or when it got too cynical. But overall it was funny and worth listening.
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Maybe, in a really long time from now. I'm always interested in hearing how actors got their starts and Betty White is particularly interesting because she started around the same time as TV. However, there are some slow parts.
It's a rather short memoir. While entertaining, not a comedy book. I don't really know what to compare it to.
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I can't find any meaningful information about the game, though, besides that it will be an MMO with an unheard-of level of dynamic content. There's only a few pages on their site, most of them are very short, and half of them are in German only. Screenshots page is empty, videos page doesn't even have this video, and their "concept art" looks like a few photographs of German parks run through a Photoshop filter. There's no UI, no combat, no trading, no people of any kind, and the forum TODO list implies that most of the core systems haven't even been started on it. I have absolutely no freaking clue why they think they have an "upcoming" Alpha. They are about two years away from an actual Alpha at an absolute minimum; more if their team is of usual indie-dev size.
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Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)Hi peeps,
wanting to buy a roadie soon/ish having a look and just wanna get my head around groupsets... comparing various brands and models and levels of components to ensure getting what I would consider a good deal.. Shimano: Dura-Ace Ultegra 105 Sram: Red Force Rival is this correct? what is the difference with SRAM RED BLACK (Is it just the colour of components...) I was pretty keen to get Ultegra level on Shimano or up.... what if it were SRAM? I wanna ride a few to get a feel for my personal preference, but I mainly want assistance in just confirming the levels of each brand.
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)You are basically correct. I suppose Di2 would be above standard dura ace (in terms of cost, at least) and Ultegra electronic Ui2 would fit somewhere in between standard Ultegra and Dura Ace.
From memory, there is no difference between SRAM red black and the standard Red. But you do have all the hierarchies correct. In terms of what you want/need, just go test ride a shimano and a sram bicycle - I dare say you will be able to tell immediately which you prefer to the other (I know I did). Main differences probably being shifting action and shifter size/shape.
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)If you're starting with a blank page, is there any reason why you exclude Campagnolo from consideration?
My bike blog. Long on rumination, rambling and opinion. Why let facts ruin everything?
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)Thanks minez1.
James, every bike I've looked at in my price range has either SRAM or Shimano on it, haven't seen any campag. wouldn't rule anything out, though the others seem more common which possibly has it's benefits?
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The original SRAM Red was created in 2008 (or 2009?). It was a mainly silver groupset. In 2011 they made a 'black version', the only difference is in the colour. Take note, the new model SRAM Red (often denoted as 2012 or 2013 SRAM Red) is a new generation of groupset that is almost completely new. The SRAM Red 'Black' refers to the older generation. The new SRAM Force (denoted as 2013/2014 model) is essentially SRAM Red 'Black' with different stickers.
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)New Sram Red has updated front der too.
Apparently fixes the flex etc people experienced running the previous versions and why some chose to use a Force FD which was steel and not titanium.. Proudly "a hater of academics with helmet cams"
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)Definitely try both and see which you prefer, it will be pretty clear. For me, it was SRAM all the way.
My opinion (without actually trying them all) on the comparisons/levels between the two would be this (from best downward) SRAM Red Shim Dura ace SRAM Force Shim Ultegra SRAM Rival Shim 105 Of course these are just mechanical groups, you'd need to try electronic to see if it's for you or not. Also SRAM Red 2012/13 is a huge improvement over the previous Red from the small amount of test rides I have done.
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)Are you new to road cycling? If so (like me), I would recommend spending only around $1000 on the actual bike (Tiagra/105, alum frame levels). I have not ridden the more expensive groups, but have found a noticable difference in a clean vs dirty driveline. This suggests to me that a clean and well tuned driveline is much more important than how expensive/light/precise it is. Since spending $900 on a bike (Orbea with Tiagra), I've spent more than double that on other stuff (clothing, accessories, etc) that actually has much bigger impact on how fun/comfortable it is to ride.
I was having a look through the "Money Pits" thread, and don't understand the logic of spending more than $2k on a bike, but only $50 for shorts+jersey - I like my $50 Sportwool Torms a lot more than synthetic $25 jerseys, and Torm is the low end of Sportwool (Rapha, Road Holland, Shutt VR). Also, "upgrading" from $20 T7 shorts to some $80 Sugoi RS bibs and $150 Assos bibs. When I was getting my first road bike, I agonised over which groupset to get. Having gone through it - just make sure you're getting an ok deal (value wise), but I just chose on looks in the end. I'm not fit/fast enough to notice the difference. If you're an experienced roadie, then you'll already know all this (and may very well disagree... )
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)What about SRAM Apex, some people say it is superior to 105.
Last time I checked, 2015 Distance: 1284km Time: 59hr Rides: 47
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I have not owned a road bike, however have been doing alot of miles on my single speed and over the last few years built up a bit of a collection of clothing and accessories (bibs / jerseys / gloves / pumps / spare tubes etc). I am quite competitive and would like to get into some crit racing in the future, so I want a road bike that I can use for this without having to upgrade too heavily.
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I have not been involved with crit racing at all, but have heard that it's quite aggressive, and crashes are common. In light of that, I wouldn't personally spend that much on a racing bike. From reading around, it seems as though 105 should be fine for racing on, and that means ~$1000 for the cheapest 105 bikes (Reid, Cell, Cycling Express). Not sure if they;re considered suitable for racing though. Branded 105 bikes are in the $1300+ range. In any case, have fun on your eventual road bike, and good luck in any races!
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it is somewhat. you'll have to try it. personally i have rival and i love it . i tried ultegra and 105 at the store, but couldn't get over SRAMS double-tap. Rival was at that sweet spot in regards to bang vs. buck. IIrc the main differences between Rival and Force is just weight. There's a big difference between force and red though because of the shifters and the 2:1 throw or something, i forget hehe.
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I have SRAM Apex on my CX commuter bike. Even though it is the bottom end of SRAMs Groupsets, I think it is at least on par with Tiagra, and quite possibly 105 (I have only used Tiagra & Ultegra/Dura-Ace, so I have no personal experience with 105). I like the Double-Tap shifting, but the front derailleur performance on the Apex is a bit twitchy. I have never been able to get the derailleur trim configured so that it works, and I am always throwing the chain off the big ring. The Dura-Ace shifters with Ultegra chainset on my road bike gives a perfect shift from small to big ring every time. The SRAM Apex with Apex Chainset is awful in comparison, and I suspect the front derailleur is most of the problem. Back to the workshop! '11 Lynskey Cooper CX, '00 Hillbrick Steel Racing (Total Rebuild '10), '09 Electra Townie Original 21D
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)+1 re Apex FD. My wife had SRAM Apex until recently, and moved away from it due to persistent difficulty in shifting to the big ring. In my view it is a product that is not good enough on that dimension. She had Tiagra before that and no problems.
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Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)are you guys talking about the long throw on the left shifter?
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If as you say Apex is on par with Tiagra and possibly 105 (even after having never ridden 105) how do you come to this conclusion, if the front shifting on Apex is total rubbish? Did you have similar issues with Tiagra? I would take Shimano any day over Sram, admittedly my only experience with Sram is via my 29ers X7/X9 groupset but to me the construction seems flimsy compared to Shimano. 2013 Oppy SL
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Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)So is the poor SRAM front shifting only on Apex or does it afflict other levels of SRAM?
Last time I checked, 2015 Distance: 1284km Time: 59hr Rides: 47
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Ha ha...because any shortcomings in SRAM are forgiven because it's not Shimano...
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The overall quality of the Apex Groupset is pretty good. The shifters/brake levers do not have a cheap feel, and the RD and Cranks are fine. However, the issues with the shifting performance is related to the FD. I think the cage on the Apex FD is too wide, so getting it positioned correctly is a nightmare. Limit screws too far in = can't shift to big ring, limit screws too far = chain getting thrown off big ring on a frequent basis. I had Tiagra on my Hybrid, but only for the chain set. It is about the same build quality. The FD issue is either a design issue or I just got a poorly built unit. I prefer Shimano, but my commuter has Apex so I can use the 11-32 cassette. It also came that way from the manufacturer '11 Lynskey Cooper CX, '00 Hillbrick Steel Racing (Total Rebuild '10), '09 Electra Townie Original 21D
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I run Rival on my flat cross bike and the front shift is spot on with an X7 shifter. However, the X5 shifter on the 29er would be flat out moving dead leaves even with the assistance of a strong breeze let alone the FD - the less said about X5 the better. Hopefully (if Jenson comes to the party) I'll move the X7 shifters off the cross bike and onto the 29er if/when the Rival brifters come off back order But the answer to your question is yes. Ours is not to reason why...merely to point and giggle
Re: Groupset Hierachy (sram & shimano)My Masi is a bit of a mongrel build but all SRAM.
SRAM apex rear with 11-32 cassette Sram Rival FD Sram Rival brifters Why Rival brifters & FD where cheaper than the apex counterparts and my shifting is sweet Masi Speciale CX 2008 - Brooks B17 special saddle, Garmin Edge 810
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X9 and have zero shifting issues with the FD, actually zero issues at all with that grouppo. Have red on my road bike, 2011, that had some FD shifting issues. Have now after 12 months got it dialed in, however shifting up onto the big ring under power can still be problematic. Sent from my not iDevice using Tapatalk 2
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I went from 105 with Ultegra RD to Rival. I wont be going back. Double tap is awesome, took a bit of getting used to but second nature now. [/2c]
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Have heard that some versions of the 2011 Red FD had a titanium cage that flexed. There were steel versions floating around. Alternatively some people just used the Force FD.
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Written on January 22, 2003 TCI Shows How a Couple of Bags of Air and Four Bars Do the Trick for '55-59 ChevysYou may recall from the "Rizzo" days my '55 Chevy Stepside--the same one I said would retain its dual parallel leaf system for its daily driver duties. Well, age and distance have taken their toll (I've since moved quite further from work, and the age thing, well...) and the old truck and its pilot just ain't what they used to be. At the 2001 SEMA Show, I dropped by the Total Cost Involved booth and struck up a conversation about their four-link kit for airbag applications. Thinking I might as well bring the underpinnings of the pickup closer to today's standards, I became sold on their application, but that only solved half my problem. Looking at me like I had just fallen off the proverbial veggie truck (an effect I've been known to have on many), the folks from TCI "suggested" their IFS as the obvious companion. Fine. So the sometimes-difficult task of choosing appropriate components was handled--now I just had to get everything installed.
Despite a normally hectic schedule, TCI worked out a few days to do the rear suspension on the '55. Being that the four-link is a relatively easy job, it was a definite drive-in/drive-out type of deal. As for the frontend (which you'll have to wait till next month to see the results), I thought it best to give TCI a little break, opting to have Temecula Rods & Customs wrap things up. And since the IFS is not a bolt-in, it took a little more time, but once they had finished with the last detail, suffice it to say I was one happy camper. We'll leave all those details for Part II.
Before we move on and let the photos and caps do the talkin', let's briefly run down what the rear four-link setup entails. For starters, the locators were provided in stainless steel, but are available in regular steel as well, and feature laser-cut frame and rearend bracketry. Although the brackets for the rearend housing are not bolt-on items, the kit we're dealing with includes a Ford 9-inch, so that's not an issue in this case (they can be ordered separately). A bolt-in, square-tube crossmember provides mounting for the shocks, while a weld-in piece provides that for the airbags, and 1/4-inch boxing plates with C-notches allow rearend clearance and frame strengthening. Speaking of the rearend, again, the Currie-based unit was supplied with a TSD third member, which in laymen's terms is a modern posi, complete with 11-inch drum brakes. The airbags are Firestone's Ride Rite sleeve-type with a standard compressor and 2-gallon air tank. Being that the bolt pattern would be going from six (stock Chevy truck) to a 5x4.75, a new set of wheels was necessary, so Wheel Vintiques steelies with '56 pickup caps were ordered along with a quartet of BFGoodrich Silvertown wide whites (6.70-15 all 'round). You'll also notice in the lead shot that the pickup's sportin' 18- and 20-inch American Torq-Thrust IIs with Toyo Proxes 35-series radials--we borrowed those from a photo shoot for sister publication Custom Rodder just to see how they'd look...it's a toss-up which style best suits the '55.
All right, hopefully you've got the picture now...let's move on to the real pictures. Stay tuned for next month's wrap-up of the frontend install at Temecula Rods & Customs.


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The nominations for the 2014 Oscars have been revealed with American Hustle and Gravity proving the biggest pull with 10 nods each.
Steve McQueen's critically lauded 12 Years A Slave follows closely behind nine prestigious nominations.
All three films will battle it out for the biggest award of the night, Best Picture, alongside Dallas Buyers Club, Captain Phillips, Her, Nebraska, Philomena and The Wolf of Wall Street.
Hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, the 86th Academy Awards take place at The Dolby Theatre in Hollywood on Sunday 2nd March.
The nominations list in full:
Best Motion Picture of the Year
12 Years a Slave
Dallas Buyers Club
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
The Wolf of Wall Street
Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role
Chiwetel Ejiofor for 12 Years a Slave
Leonardo DiCaprio for The Wolf of Wall Street
Christian Bale for American Hustle
Bruce Dern for Nebraska
Matthew McConaughey for Dallas Buyers Club
Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role
Amy Adams for American Hustle
Cate Blanchett for Blue Jasmine
Sandra Bullock for Gravity
Judi Dench for Philomena
Meryl Streep for August: Osage County
Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role
Barkhad Abdi for Captain Phillips
Bradley Cooper for American Hustle
Jonah Hill for The Wolf of Wall Street
Michael Fassbender for 12 Years a Slave
Jared Leto for Dallas Buyers Club
Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role
Sally Hawkins for Blue Jasmine
Julia Roberts for August: Osage County
Lupita Nyong'o for 12 Years a Slave
Jennifer Lawrence for American Hustle
June Squibb for Nebraska
Best Achievement in Directing
Alfonso Cuarón for Gravity
Steve McQueen for 12 Years a Slave
David O. Russell for American Hustle
Martin Scorsese for The Wolf of Wall Street
Alexander Payne for Nebraska
Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen
American Hustle: Eric Singer, David O. Russell
Blue Jasmine: Woody Allen
Her: Spike Jonze
Nebraska: Bob Nelson
Dallas Buyers Club: Craig Borten, Melisa Wallack
Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published
Before Midnight: Richard Linklater
Captain Phillips: Billy Ray
12 Years a Slave: John Ridley
The Wolf of Wall Street: Terence Winter
Philomena: Steven Coogan
Best Animated Feature Film of the Year
The Croods
Despicable Me 2
Ernest & Celestine
The Wind Rises
Best Foreign Language Film of the Year
The Broken Circle Breakdown: Felix Van Groeningen(Belgium)
The Missing Picture: Rithy Panh(Cambodia)
The Hunt : Thomas Vinterberg(Denmark)
The Great Beauty: Paolo Sorrentino(Italy)
Omar: Hany Abu-Assad(Palestine)
Best Achievement in Cinematography
Gravity (2013): Emmanuel Lubezki
Inside Llewyn Davis (2013): Bruno Delbonnel
Nebraska (2013): Phedon Papamichael
Prisoners (2013): Roger Deakins
The Grandmaster (2013): Philippe Le Sourd
Best Achievement in Editing
12 Years a Slave (2013): Joe Walker
American Hustle (2013): Alan Baumgarten, Jay Cassidy, Crispin Struthers
Gravity (2013): Alfonso Cuarón, Mark Sanger
Captain Phillips (2013): Christopher Rouse
Dallas Buyers Club (2013): Martin Pensa, John Mac McMurphy
Best Achievement in Production Design
American Hustle - Judy Becker (Production Design); Heather Loeffler (Set Decoration)
Gravity - Andy Nicholson (Production Design); Rosie Goodwin and Joanne Woollard (Set Decoration)
The Great Gatsby - Catherine Martin (Production Design); Beverley Dunn (Set Decoration)
Her - K.K. Barrett (Production Design); Gene Serdena (Set Decoration)
12 Years a Slave - Adam Stockhausen (Production Design); Alice Baker (Set Decoration)
Best Achievement in Costume Design
American Hustle: Michael Wilkinson
The Grandmaster: William Chang Suk Ping
The Great Gatsby: Catherine Martin
The Invisible Woman: Michael O'Connor
12 Years a Slave: Patricia Norris
Best Achievement in Makeup and Hairstyling
Dallas Buyers Club: Adruitha Lee and Robin Mathews
Jackass Presents Bad Grandpa: Stephen Prouty
The Lone Ranger: Joel Harlow and Gloria Pasqua-Casny
Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Score
The Book Thief : John Williams
Gravity: Steven Price
Her: William Butler and Owen Pallett
Philomena: Alexandre Desplat
Saving Mr Banks: Thomas Newman
Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Song
Despicable Me 2 (2013): Pharrell Williams ("Happy")
Frozen (2013): Kristen Anderson-Lopez, Robert Lopez ("Let It Go")
Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom (2013): Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen Jr., Brian Burton ("Ordinary Love")
Alone: Bruce Broughton (Alone Yet Not Alone)
Her (2013): Karen O ("The Moon Song")
Best Achievement in Sound Mixing
Captain Phillips
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
Inside Llewyn Davis
Lone Survivor
Best Achievement in Sound Editing
All Is Lost: Steve Boeddeker and Richard Hymns
Captain Phillips: Oliver Tarney
Gravity: Glenn Freemantle
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Brent Burge
Lone Survivor: Wylie Stateman
Best Achievement in Visual Effects
Iron Man Three
The Lone Ranger
Star Trek Into Darkness
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
Best Documentary, Feature
The Act of Killing: Joshua Oppenheimer
Cutie and the Boxer: Zachary Heinzerling
Dirty Wars: Rick Rowley
The Square: Jehane Noujaim
20 Feet from Stardom: Morgan Neville
Best Documentary, Short Subject
Cavedigger (2013): Jeffrey Karoff
Facing Fear (2013): Jason Cohen
Karama Has No Walls (2012): Sara Ishaq
The Lady In Number 6 (2013): Malcolm Clarke, Carl Freed
Prison Terminal: The Last Days of Private Jack Hall (2013): Edgar Barens
Best Short Film, Animated
Get a Horse!
Mr. Hublot
Room on the Broom
Best Short Film, Live Action
Aquel no era yo: Esteban Crespo
Just Before Losing Everything: Xavier Legrand
Helium: Anders Walter
Do I Have to Take Care of Everything?: Selma Vilhunen
The Voorman Problem: Mark Gill


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Another day, another way
That was last year.
The merry ride back into pennant contention has been full of contributions from all corners — some of them even on the other teams.
"Take the lead, give it back, we continue to scrap and claw our way to manufacture a run in the ninth," said Boston manager John Farrell, whose new closer, Koji Uehara, blew the save on yet another Jose Bautista homer in the top of the ninth. "I thought the four-game series here we played very well."
Thole mishandled Shane Victorino's bouncer, chasing pinch runner Jonathan Diaz home from second to give Boston its fifth win in the last six games.
"I've played first base, that's what I'm here for," Thole said. "It (stinks). I've got to catch the ball and make an out."
The walk-off win took place after Bautista, who won Saturday's game with a pair of late homers, ruined Uehara's perfect save mark with a one-out solo homer.
Jacoby Ellsbury walked and closer Casey Janssen relieved Perez. Diaz ran for Snyder and scored when Thole booted what would have been at least one sure out. The run was charged to Perez, the first he has allowed after 15 straight scoreless innings.
Bautista hit his 25th career homer against the Sox, his 17th at Fenway Park.
It was Family Day at Fenway, and one could make the argument this was the day Snyder became a true member of the family.
The win, the fifth in the last six games, allowed the Red Sox to finish off a 17-11 June that saw them in first place in the AL East from start to finish.
Reyes hit his second homer, Bautista had three hits and Rajai Davis two for the Jays, who went 17-9 in June, including an 11-game winning streak. Toronto went 2-5 on a seven-game road trip.


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The Total Control Batting Ball is the first ball developed for the Fastpitch Softball and Baseball hitters to develop strength and extension through the hitting zone and provide instant feedback to the hitter.
Before the TCB Ball, coaches and players used numerous types of balls for warm-ups and hitting practice. The 16 inch softball, basketballs, softballs, tennis and league balls. None of these gave a true indication on how the hitter made contact with the ball and required ample hitting area or expensive batting cages and nets.
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