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Good morning, everyone. I have a dilemma and would like some opinions. Our local (read 2 blocks down the street) and intimate (read small) catholic school is closing its doors for all the usual reasons that catholic schools close. I am heartbroken. My children love this school and their friends. I, too, love this school. I don't care for the other catholic schools that we would now have to drive to plus they are more costly. So my two options are the public school and homeschooling. I shake in my boots at the thought of homeschooling and I dread the public school system. I only have a high school diploma (catholic school) and don't feel qualified to teach them. Especially math! No mention of God for 6 hours a day has me feeling so sad. I am trying to pray on this but am so distracted by my own thoughts that I can't seem to concentrate. Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Has anyone heard anything about the use of the common core curriculum in Catholic schools and what it means?
KMB - are cyber schools an option in your area? They could work at home with teacher instruction and still make God part of your day.
Our Catholic school will be adopting common core. I don't know much about it other than it's supposed to emphasize basics. Catholic schools don't need to adopt all these pedagogy trends, but for some reason they always do.
KMB, Studies have shown over and over that the parent's education level has NO impact on the performance level of their homeschooled students. If your kids are still lower elementary pretty much ANYONE is qualified :) Not saying homeschooling is easy, but the material is easy at that age. There are plenty of curriculum providers that would hand you everything you need including lesson plans (Seton is one) and there are plenty of books out there that you can use to pull your own curriculum together. Also, everything is easier the 2nd time around. If you don't feel confident in math you may have no problem as long as you are keeping a step or two ahead of your kids (that was me with Grammar/English). In fact, that is my weakest area yet it's where my now college age daughter excels the most! There are also numerous co-ops around. If you can locate some homeschoolers in your area they can fill you in on what's available. I am currently homeschooling elementary, junior, and senior high with a baby to add to the mix. We are fortunate to live near a co-op (4 actually, but we just use one) offering once a week classes. 2 of my kids attend a couple classes. haha, my kids take math there simply to ease up my schedule (and that's my college major) Not trying to convince you to homeschool. I do not believe homeschooling is the best option for everyone, but it is the best option for our family at this time. Also, it's a yearly decision. If you homeschool next year and decide it's just not right for your family you can certainly put them back in school. One friend of mine started homeschooling when their Catholic school closed 2 years ago. They love it, but with many littles they are having a hard time and are putting the kids in school next year. They are planning to pull them back out when their youngest ones are a little less work. Prayers for your decision.
unknown & Carolyn A: From what I understand, Common Core is bad news from a freedom, educational, privacy & parental rights perspective. Parents & teachers, not federal education bureaucrats, should decide how & what children learn. Common Core has become a one-size-fits-all approach to education & the federal government has no business using tax dollars to entice the states to adopt the Common Core. The Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) rightly opposes the institution of Common Core: http://hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201212170.asp HSLDA opposed the creation of a national database of student-specific data through Common Core since such national databases threaten the privacy of students, could be abused by government officials or business interests that may gain access to the data, threaten the safety of young people if their data is breached, & are not necessary in order to educate young people: http://hslda.org/docs/news/2013/201304090.asp
KMB: Sorry about the closing of your local Catholic school! I second RealMom4Life's great response. There are tons (don't be overwhelmed!) of fantastic Catholic homeschool resources out there (Seton, Catholic Heritage Curricula, Kolbe Academy, Mother of Divine Grace, to name a few), as well as the option of tutors, co-ops & online resources. Try to hook up with some other local homeschoolers for ideas & support. We've been homeschooling for 13 years (our children are 4, 7, 11, 13, 15 & 17) & it has been such a blessing for our family! Yes, there have been challenges, but it has been so worth it! Prayers for you & your family!
Thank you Real Mom, Carolyn, and Patricia. I am going to pray on it. It's such a big decision and I want to make certain that I am fully informed before I make any decisions. One more quick question. How do I find out about co-ops in my area? Or catholic based ones?
RE: Common Core If your children attend a Catholic School that already follows your state standards and state testing schedule (mine do), then there isn't going to be a drastic change with Common Core. I know people have various disagreements with the implementation, with control being taken away from the states, with the standards themselves, etc. But basically it means that most of the states (something like 45 of them have adopted common core) will be using the same standards instead of each state setting their own standards. So there will be changes --- the math sequence for older kids may change, things like that. But like I said, if your kids already take yearly state tests that align with state standards you are already familiar with the basic idea. I am fully prepared for a barrage of comments blasting Common Core (and possibly blasting me and/or my response)--- I'm not really for it or against it.
KMB: Search online for local homeschool support groups (Catholic, Christian, secular) in your state. What state do you live in? I believe that HSLDA has links to statewide support groups on their website. Recall that homeschooling doesn't have to be a permanent decision if you find that it is not working for your family. Flexibility is one of its many blessings. God has given you the grace to educate your children through the sacrament of matrimony. Trust in Him, trust yourself & give it a whirl. You may surprise yourself! :) God bless--
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Common Core only has standards for Math and English/Language Arts, definitely not religious education!
KMB- I agree with Patricia that no decision is permanent. If you decide to homeschool and it's too hard, try public school. (and vice versa). In my city, we have 3 (that I am aware of) hybrid Catholic home schools. You send your children there 2-3 days per week and then homeschool the others. They provide the curriculum so the days at home can be relatively structured (or unstructured if you choose). Also talk to the secretary at your church - this is the hub of all church gossip. She probably knows families that home school from your parish. Meet up with them and learn a little bit about what resources are available in your community Good luck!
Here are some links to videos explaining why people are against Common Core. I believe they were put out by stopcommoncore.com http://youtu.be/coRNJluF2O4 http://youtu.be/E8FJ1U90HIg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnpqT_XirPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLCamWdblE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjJFjNx6jOI
KMB - I agree with all the above comments about homeschooling. You can do it if you decide it's right for your family. I started 1 1/2 years ago with a lot of trepidation. We started out with Catholic Heritage Curricula because it was all laid out for us and an easy pace. I've also heard great things about Mother of Divine Grace and Thomas Aquinas. A friend of mine started out with Seton for her 3rd & 4th graders and found it overwhelming. As we've gone along it's gotten easier and we've branched out from CHC. For math we now use Math U See, which is great. I have a math background, but continue to learn from Steve Demme's simple approach. Praying for you.
unknown: Thanks for voicing your passion for education...as one who also has a Masters in Education, I share your passion. Educational standards aren't my concern with Common Core, rather, I doubt the government's proficiency & educational expertise in this area. I don't recall indicating that I hate the government...in fact, I am a proponent of government... limited government, as our founding fathers proposed. Actually, as a home educator, we (vs. the government) take full responsibility for our children's learning to be productive individuals, which we don't necessary equate with acquiring a high-paying job. Sadly, as you pointed out, today's public educational system is failing America's children in many ways. I'd be interested to hear how Common Core is supposed to trickle down to the parish level...since, as Andrea pointed out above, Common Core isn't about catechesis. The Catholic Code Canon Law supports the right (& responsibility) of parents as the primary (first & principal) educators of their children (including Sacramental preparation)...as these rights are rooted in the Sacrament of Matrimony. I willingly submit to the authority of the Church, which is the authority of Jesus Christ Himself. As far as submission to educational leadership...we've taken that role on ourselves, with God as our judge & authority. I am happy & open to dialogue. :) God bless & enjoy your dinner with your husband!
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Since you seem to have lost your driver anyways, try:
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make clean
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i've got a problem with the xf86-video-ati driver for my x1400 mobile card in my thinkpad t60.
I've tried the usual steps for installing a program from source code.
But if X starts there is an error message that there is no kernel module found:$ ./autogen.sh
$ make
$ make install
Does someone have advise?(EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, 0)
Thanks for your help.
Edit: Tried both, "ati" and "radeon" in device section for driver.
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Identifier "Default Layout"
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Inputdevice "Generic Keyboard"
Inputdevice "Configured Mouse"
Inputdevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
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Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad"
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Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "0"
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Identifier "ati x1400[0]"
Boardname "ati"
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Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
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Identifier "ati generic monitor[0]"
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Identifier "ati screen[0]"
Device "ati x1400[0]"
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Last edited by Gottxxc; 03-05-2008 at 11:51 AM.
Since you seem to have lost your driver anyways, try:
./configure --prefix=/usr
make clean
make install
./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
Thank you, my X server starts :-)
But everything seems very slow. The desktop icons are flickering.
When I start a video with xv playback my computer halts... :-(
Last edited by Gottxxc; 03-05-2008 at 01:20 PM.
What does your Xorg log say?
xf86-video-ati (aka "radeon") is just the X driver, which is entirely userspace. What you're missing is mesa/mesa (the 3D driver) and mesa/drm (the kernel driver and interface library).
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i dont know about you guys, but i dont go a day without running the latest windows 64 bit drivers on my ubuntu machine. The latest drivers are required for valid results.
Like I said, I think NVIDIA can make a good case for these cards on Linux. For the same price you've got 3 distinct options:
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I suspect NVidia would probably win the majority of the marketshare based on the 3 options above. The problem is that in Windows the drivers are fairly even and NV just can't match up with the hardware.
Oh I know about Charlie, Like anyone his word should be taken with a grain of salt, but it doesn't change the fact that even he is right on the money sometimes. As for Beyond3D, I wouldn't know, they aren't one of my usual haunts. I perfer HardOCP, Guru3D, MadShrimps, Jonny Guru, Xtreme Systems and OCF for my tech info.
Loss of the chipset market is by no means irrelevant, especially since it only leaves you with a delayed series of GPU, and the hope that the next gen Gameboy doesn't flop, not everything Nintendo touches is gold, remember the that the N64 did nowhere near what was expected and that the Virtual Boy is the bastard stepchild they keep locked under the basement stairs. Lets also not forget that the 800Lb gorilla in the room, Intel, is looking to take the GPU market by releasing their own GPU for the low to mid range, I wouldn't expect the Larabee to take the high end till at least it's 3rd generation, but Intel having a GPU in the market that is anything better then an IGP means that they will be able to further leverage themselves till they force everyone else out.
VIA was driven out by failing at just about everything they did since they made S3TC. Though thats not to say with a 3rd party chipset and GPU that a scaled up Nano couldn't get them back into the low end desktop market.
Who says I'm not planning on going with ATI/AMD on my next build? I'm looking for a buyer for this box first.
So...Does this mean I win by default or something? Oh and before I forget http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature Just waiting on the prerequisites to fall into place and the driver should come together quite quickly.
This card has 48 cores??? Shouldn't it be getting higher benchmarks?
Maybe the drivers or benchmarking software are not taking advantage of this? Not a bad price for a new low end card.
I have a GTX 285 now and I'm pretty sure I'm not using both cores in Jaunty Jackalope with the 185.18.36 driver.
Can't wait to see what the Nvidia open source drivers can do!
Nvidia is starting to look worryingly similar to 3dfx when they tried to release the Voodoo 6000 (albeit vastly larger and more efficient). I'm sure some people are rubbing their hands with glee now - Nvidia acquired a lot of bad karma and ill-will when they bought 3dfx...
Come on, why are you even paying attention to this shill? He registered just to advertise the GT220, you won't find any truth to his words that's not twisted to hell and back.
For example this "shitty drivers on Windows" argument. He forgot to mention that Nvidia drivers were responsible for 3x times as much crashes as Ati drivers in 2007 (28.8% vs 9.3%). (If you have any more recent statistics, I'd love to hear them!)
My personal experience is that NV drivers were beyond shitty on Vista for over a year after its release (Ati drivers worked pretty much fine since Vista RC1). Even now, multi-monitor support is a crapshoot with Nvidia's drivers forgetting or setting the wrong resolution time after time (Ati's drivers work correctly in the same setup).
Simply put, no. That's why you shouldn't listen to anything that comes out of a shill's mouth without a huge barrel of salt (1024 threads, oh wow!)Originally Posted by cliff
This is a low end card with low end performance. For comparison, Ati's flagship (the 5870) has 1600 cores, each one more capable than this card's paltry 48. Of course, this doesn't say the whole story either: the 5870 uses GDDR5 memory (vs GDDR2 or 3 for this card) and its architecture is vastly different, both more efficient and more capable (shader model 5 vs 4.1).
As I said, you won't find any truth in a shill's words that's not twisted beyond any recognition.
The bottom line is that this card is a marginal improvement over Nvidia's previous low-end hardware. It's mostly an attempt to increase margins for Nvidia and tide them over to the GT3xx release. There's no point in upgrading if you are already using a 8600/9500/9600 and there's little point in putting this card into an HTPC as long as it has a fan.
I'd only recommend this card if (a) you can find it fanless and (b) you want to build a low-powered Linux box. In all other cases, there are better choices than the GT220:
- Nvidia's 9500 for a fanless, low-power Linux box.
- Ati's 4670 for a fanless, low-power Windows box that can also play some games.
- Ati's 5xx0 series for more serious gaming.
Edit: spelling mistakes...
Last edited by BlackStar; 10-20-2009 at 04:14 AM.
In about 2,3 months nvidia knows exactly what the marked share for lowend videocards are on linux. No informed window user would buy this card.
Last edited by tmpdir; 10-20-2009 at 05:31 AM.
The ATI result look like V-Sync.
With AMD's Windows drivers, H.264 decoding via DXVA is restricted to level 4.1, while NVidia's drivers can decode up to level 5.0 (like VDPAU). I guess this is just a software issue though.
It's clear that AMD has the superior hardware at the moment, but with the crappy driver situation it simply is a no-go.


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