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thank You Economist, thank You UK!
shows, an article can be fair as well, that s why I love the UK and I d be NOT unhappy if the final would ve been England vs Germany!!
God save the Queen & that lovely places across the channel...
OK, if you are a foreign immigrant in Germany and would like to be "accepted" by Germans, here are some "tips":
1. Speak German (plus even a dialect) fluently without a heavy accent.
2. Have a sound knowledge of German culture and history (you can start with the Nibelungen)
3. Don't be a religious fanatic (especially if you are a Muslim)
4. Don't be dependent on welfare (and don't lie about the number of children and family members you have)
5. Support the German football team wholeheartedly (even if it's playing against your "mother land" because Germany is your new "Vaterland" ok)
6. Drink German beer (other beers are no good; remember "Reinheitsgebot")
7. Eat pork and Currywurst (but not with chopsticks)
Believe me my German is absolutely perfect and meanwhile without any kind of an accent.
I know about German history because we in Russia (Kaliningrad) quite a lot of it.
And I am no religious fanatic bit only orthodox as it has been usual in Russia.
And I never got a single penny from welfare in Germany.
Even for my German passport I paid the fees.
And I usually supported the German football team because it is really multikulti.
But indeed I am not a real fan of football.
And I drink German beer although Russian or Polish beer is not bad and I usually prefer to drink Vodka.
And Currywurst is not at all I like.
I prefer Bratwurst or Leberkäse:)
Ok.. It seemss you are aproved in the test... Now go to the next room to mark the "German" branding in your arm !! Lol
Just kiding :))
No I never will forget my Russian roots and just 2 weeks ago I have been back to Kaliningrad:)
And my wonderful 5 years of service in the Red army I never will forget.:)
It was a real adventure.
And my branding is my German language which I speak better as many Germans who are born ion Germany:)
A Russian posing as German???
Some other points you didn,t mention:
Change your name, deny you background, take some special tablets to get blonde and blue eyed.
At the long end you will be denied.
I have never seen a Russian, as you are with your 5 years Redarmee experience and vodka enjoyment, who can controll the russian RRR...... . So you can,t speak better German as germanborn :-), may be your kits, but not you. So you are lying!!! In your comments you act as a German, e.g. when you make islamophobic comments. That's not fair, because people think you are a German and Germans are like you. So you are lying again, you,re not German. You are acting as German. That is something different.
except if you're a girl, a french girl in the seventies was quite a attraction in Germany
Of course, there are exceptions to any rule and young attractive French girls are always exceptions (at least for the guys!), but if you were young and attractive in the seventies you must be pretty old now (and still attractive?) lol
esp. the latter with the "chopsticks", rotfl
I really do not understand why the whole discussion is based on this strange survey from PEW. Their numbers seem implausible, e.g., some of the numbers double over the course of three years. Somehow I wonder if opinions are that volatile. And, if they are: the survey is from 2008, by now it could be completely different.
Now, don't misunderstand me, I cannot make any accusations against the PEW study, because I connot find any information on how the study was conducted, how their samples where structured etc. (maybe somebody can point me to it)
As a recommendation: here [1] you find a more recent study about intolerence in Europe. It does not look at Amarica, it is much more detailed than the PEW and is not as prone to generalizations.
(Of course you can doubt it, because it was published by Germans. But maybe we are lucky and it were some of the few Germans who were taught to think critically, right emmafinney ;-)
There is a reason why PEW is recognised worldwide as credible and reliable.
If you had read the link for PEW, it would answer all your questions you had about how PEW conducted the research.
About your recomendation [1] : Its a very interesting document. However, I have doubts about some of the results.
Every country have a particular kind of emigrants. For example in Portugal we have lots of brasilians. Unfortunately, mixed with the large majority of the honest brasilians also come here lots of women only for prostitution. There is also a much higher rate of violent crime involving brasilians. So if you ask if brasilians are welcome here, people will remember easily those situations, and maybe they answer according to those bad examples. However their answers are only related with violent crime or prostitution, and the result can not be seen as the attitude against emigration. If you ask to a portuguese if an honest brasilian worker is welcome, i'm sure you will get a much higher positive answers. I believe that in other countries one could conclude the same regarding some types of emigrants.
You make a good point.
We have quite a lot of Portugese immigrants in Toronto and they are one of the most tolerant and least racist of all the European immigrants in Canada.
Dreamriotin - agree with you 300%. Remember vividly FIFA worldcup 1974, when Germany beat Holland in the final 2-1. I was only 6 years old and driving with my parents over small country roads in Bavaria. On the end signal, street parties erupted everywhere with German flags, horns, cow bells and lots of beer. My parents car got drowsed in beer several times, but nobody laid a finger on us.
You have to ask my Dad what the h** he was thinking driving around in a Dutch car in Germany hartland during the 1974 Worldcup soccer final, but that's another story. He was no a football fan, I'm afraid. But a great German party it was!!
I don't agree.. I don't believe my country have had any problems waving black+red+gold flag before 2006. Germans are very proud nation. Hard working, punctual, crazy about football and nevertheless ..fun nation:) If anyone knows Germans and ever visited any German City by type of events like: from Octoberfest to important Football Match you would see the flag all over and 2006 is not a breakthrough, but just maybe when Economist notice that fact? Who wrote this article?
In 2006 they waved their flags perhaps but living in Germany I fortunately do not see any flag.
Even in Berlin you will see a flag only at the top of the "Reichstag" and nowhere else.
So I can clearly say that Germans are no flag-fetishists.
And Germans proud? Of what?
Germans are used to stay modest and at the sideline of every event.
And even in 2012 it was for most people just embarrassing to see more flags as usual.
There is no need at all in Germany celebrating themselves.
I always wondered about your inane postings GA...now it becomes clear. A deranged Russian posting as a German.
Good for them...they deserve to be proud. They are single handedly carrying the burden of most of Europe.
Why should they be proud?
There is not any reason for being proud on anything.
Germans are happy if you just leave them alone.
So I never met anybody in Germany who has been proud of anything.
Germans are use to do their job and that's it.
I am German and I am proud what our people have achieved through hard work and dedication.
Yes we had 12 shameful years in our 1000+ year history but we stand to it, contrary to other European countries.
In England for example I have never seen a monument or remembrance site for all atrocities the British committed in their colonies.
I am glad I was fortunate enough, having been born into this fantastic country.
I can understand you from the German pov.
I am glad and grateful living in this country as well as you.
But you know very well that the rest of the West and South is regarding each of us as a part of an inferior type of primitive and stupid human beings and therefore Germans are the most hated people in Western world.
And our more than 1.000-years history is for most Europeans nothing but inferior crap and nonsense.
So you can be proud at home in Germany with your fellow-countrymen but not outside of Germany.
If you read all those many hateful comments you see that I am completely right.
Clearly I agree with - and only because you are a German- that Germany for me is a fantastic country.
But you have to take it as a matter of fact that nobody in Britain, Canada, USA, Italy, France, Spain or Greece ever will agree with us.
We have to deal with it and we are used to their negative pov.
I have been living all around the world and I had my fair share of negative experiences, but most were actually positive.
I even lived in Israel for two years and was mostly welcome. Only Jews of German origin did not like me.
In London I also lived for two years and gained a lot of friends.
I would say we have a much better standing in the world than some of the commentator here are willing to like.
Indeed in Israel I made much better experiences as I ever made in Britain.
Even elder people who were born in Germany were very open-minded and absolutely unbiased.
And the young Israelis are completely unbiased and open-minded and very friendly people.
So I felt very well and very welcome in Israel and did not hear any rant or bad remark about Germans or Germany.
And at the moment German courses in Israel are booked already until the end of the next year.
It is astonishing how many Israelis want to lean German and in Berlin we have some ten thousands of them.
Emmafinneys or Sherryblacks you will only find in Canada, Britain or the USA.
In Israel I did not find any of them:)
You are right, Israelis are rediscovering their German roots and learn German, especially since they can apply for a German passport, which is almost guaranteed if one can prove German ancestry.
In this uncertain times, with the possibility of war in the Middle East, I would do the same.
They are welcome in Germany:)
Because they are decent and very well educated people.
Never heard anything that they had problems in our country.
From us they have nothing to fear and their skills in dealing with aggressive Muslims can only be of help.
Lets just hope they do not leave somewhere else like the Jews of Malmö are doing, they are leaving there because the Swedish government cannot protect them form Muslim aggression there.
I wonder how our Muslim friendly government will react when we get problems like in Sweden.
As portuguese, and maybe because we live in a touristic country, I never felt any hate against germans. The few germans I knew here were more polite, sociable and fun than, for instance, most the english , french or spaniards. Luckily or not I never met here an arrogant german. In portuguese schools WW2 events were teached in general, and not in racial terms. Of course we didnt participe directly in WW2, so i never heard about real events of war againts germans. Even when I was a kid, and despite the comic books i read about WW2 where germans were allways the bad guys, didnt affected me at all. It was like cowboys Vs Indian comic books. And I confess i prefered the indians:) You have to see that WW2 is still very recent and with time germans will be seen as they realy are: "Hard working, punctual, crazy about football and nevertheless ..fun nation:) " as someone said before.
Anyway it depends also on german atitude regarding the other europeans. Germans can not think that for the fact they have a very sucesseful economy they are better or superior persons. Nevertheless I think they have to feel proud for the present. They have many reasons for it.
Being in a certain sense a foreigner as well when I came to Germany, I never have been treated badly or arrogant.
People were reliable and helpful (but I spoke fluent German only with a slight Russian accent)
So, your answer came to me quite unexpected.
But wait until Mr. MilovanDjilas and Emmafinney alias Sherryblack will tell you about this topic:)
And never to forget MarieClaude.
They all have a very different pov as you have.
And as far as I can see nobody in German his arrogant to anybody and I never met a German who ever felt superior to other people.
I would say that Germans feel basically inferior to all others because they are told by the rest of Europe that they are inferior bastards and stupid Nazi-drunkards.
So there is nothing Germans ever would be proud of.
Neither in football, nor in sports nor in economy.
So it is a real waste that German is participating at the Olympic games especially as they are this time in London.
And if you look around Germans are used to be extremely humble if they come to a foreign country.
All of them made their very bad experiences in foreign countries.
Im sorry but I have to laugh out and loud about your point of view. It sounds a litle bit with that litle black duck allways saying :" It's an injustice. It is !" This article was a surprise to me. why should german people not to be proud of their flag?? Lets be optimistic !! one day All european will be glad to belong to a great European Union. I bet this will be true in 2 or 3 generations...Despite I dont like some economic views of Mrs Merkel, I prefer her position rather than the ones stated by Mr Cameron-European-Troy-Horse !!
"I am German and I am proud what our people have achieved through hard work and dedication."
You may want to take a look at all those Asian countries that too recovered remarkably after the utter and complete devastation of WW2. You do know that WW2 was not merely an European war don't you?
I really admire South Korea for not only were they utterly destroyed by a brutal Japanese occupation but also suffered another brutal devastation when communist North Korea backed by China invaded South Korea and infliced a horrendous war on their soil. This will be equal to Germany going through the devastation of WW2, TWICE within 10 years.
Now South Korea is a flourishing vibrant economically affluent country. And they did this without Marshall plan aid, no solidarity tax transfers, no EU funds.
It appears humans have a remarkable capacity to rebuild, recover and flourish after devastating wars and this is not merely a super human German trait but common to all humanity.
Rwanda is now being touted as the "Singapore" of Africa because it appears to have rebounded and flourished so well after going through hell just a decade ago.
The USA suffered a devastating civil war in 1865 and barely 4 decades later by the early 1900's it had became the greatest economic and industrial power in the world. And they did this without Marshall plan aid.
So what are you trying to tell me?
My statement applies to me and my country.
Obviously there are many other countries in this world who have all reason to be proud of their countries.
Hence, just because I am proud of my country does not mean others cannot be about theirs.
What I am trying to tell you is to learn more about the history of the rest of the world or otherwise you will fall easily for any propaganda that tries to portray the German recovery from war as super human German trait that only super human Germans possess.
Cameron is going the straight way. And his way is right for the British.
Europeans must stay in clear separation to each other.
It makes no sense band it is impossible mixing up together so many controversial nationalities.
So a united Europe is more than a lost case.
All Europeans should enforce their differencies including al their bias they have against each other and then it will work in Europe.
It makes not any sense uniting those many controversal countries in big European state or federation.
Fortunately and I am so glad about all of it- it never will work:)
The British and French will hate the Germans as they have been doing over centuries and the Italians will hate the Germans as they ever did and as well as the Spaniards and Portuguese will hate the Germans as they ever did.
If you want to create Europe then without the Germans.
Nobody will ever be able to overcome these deep and profound feeling of honest feeling of an utmost hatred they have to face in each West European country including Canada with an extreme hatemongering population as well, was you have in the USA.
Being German means getting disposed all over the Western countries and being hated wherever you go in the Western countries.
Germans should clearly avoid Britain, Canada and of course the USA.
In all those countries Germans risk nothing but their lives.
Killing a German is in those countries less than killing a fly.
I met thousands of British soldiers who openly conformed to me that they have been educated to regard Germans this way and in the US Army they are trained quite similar.
A Germans life is not worth a penny.
But therefore it is the Germans who are racist because they are not accepting being killed by British and Americans just for their leisure and amusement.
You are ...........
Who is going on about the recovery after the war.
I am Proud of what my nation has achieved as a whole in its entire history, not just since WW2.
Why does everything concerning Germany have to be put into relation to the last war??????????
Anyhow, in future I will not bother to comment your comments any more. It is plainly a waste of time.
What ever does not fit into your limited frame, is apparently wrong and false. Why do you just not keep your comments for yourself if you are not interested in facts that contradict yours?
Do not bother to reply, I will never comment your comments again.
Well said. Emmafinney has to be the most irritating, bigoted not to mention plain rude commentator on this forum
"Do not bother to reply, I will never comment your comments again."
Do you also telephone peope to tell them you won't talk to them? LOL
meet some Germans in Spain, they think they own the country, and would shout at you if you don't walk in the right pedestrian lanes, if you don't wait for the green light, if you have dogs...
Well, I don't know about the rest of your anti-German whine, but if you "don't wait for the green light," then, clearly, you are about to cause an accident, possibly injure or kill someone.
A small matter like that, and some people actually shout at you for it? Quick, report them to emma* for being intolerant.
Germans and the flag. "Great Expectations". The example of the Euro 2012 football championship which German not only expected but assumed to win, but did not has taken the wind out of the flag. In line with other countries when things get tight the rodents of nationalism pops up. Football being a national judiciary the popular press dissected the German football team with an axe of criticism over the shameful losses. How high the flag flies in the Olympics remains to be seen.
Please don't make the Germans too angry. They already lost to Italy and Spain is Europameister. If Germans get mad they might refuse to bail out Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal. The Bundesverfassungsgericht still has to decide whether the whole "bail-out-deal" is constitutional. Maybe there will be a referendum on this Euro-thing and all these "lazy Mediterraneans" better keep the Germans in a good mood. LOL
As a German I only hope that the German flag will never be needed at he Olympic games.
I really wonder why Germany is participating.
They better should abstain and stay at home because they have nothing to do in London:)
It is the politicians who created the Euro.
The German people would have never agreed to the Euro if asked.
And now, if Germans were to decide if they help or not, the would not. Because they know it does not help anyone except banks and it will only delay the inevitable.
The Euro is dead, long live the new currency.
So, finally, we are rid of insipid messages that
-- compare WWII bombing damage in Coventry (and other Brit loci) to the bombing damage in Dresden (and other Central European loci)
-- judge ethnie by how soccer-fans behave in stadia
-- call people of different opinion "not honest."
I once again feel encouraged to give a great deal of credit to the German people for re-building their economy and creating a society that (while not exactly my cup of tea when it comes to being regulated and too P.C.) is one whose products are sought after and a place to which a great many people relocate for good.
The poor will relocate anywhere.
Europe gets only 2% of the world's skilled immigrants while the USA gets 50%.
The German government during the Schroder years tried to copy the American green card program to lure skilled IT professionals but it was abandoned a few years later because it turned out to be spectacular failure. Apparently if given a choice immigrants preferred other countries. The poor of course have no choice.
This was purely a matter of language and of course pay.
Highly qualified people leave Germany for better pay abroad.
And of course the poor Migrants and Asylum seekers have a choice, they head for Germany because it is a paradise for parasites.
They enter Europe via Italy and Greece but always head for Germany. Switzerland was popular too, but since they made it less attractive and more difficult for them, they are getting a reprieve.
First of all, I have said that the online(!) version of Der Spiegel is a tabloid. There is a very big qualitiy difference between the print and online version of Der Spiegel. The print version complains often enough about its little brother. Sorry, but you are wrong in this case.
Thanks for the PEW review and I looked into it:
We should further restrict immigration. No/Yes:
Canada 35% & 62
Germany 33% & 66%
Favorable views of immigrants from Asia & Latin America +
Favorable views of immigrants from North Africa/Middle east & eastern Europe:
For Germany it should be the same. But we have no data here. It is strange that the PEW review doesn´t ask every country in this case. Is there somewhere a complete version of this review?
You shouldn´t cherry-pick your data. I can do this, too. Let us look on the USA:
I am completely aware of the still existing prejudices in German society and it is shame, but there is really no reason to hunt us Germans down, emmafinney. I have read several of your comments and I can´t understand your obsession with Germany.
Unfavorable views of muslims
Germany = 50%
Unfavorable views of Jews
Germany = 25%
"For Germany it should be the same."
Wishful thinking. An no evidence provided just your view. Same as your view that Germany is in the same league as USA in terms of tolerance towards immigrants.
And if Germany had a open border with Mexico with millions of ILLEGAL immigrants pouring in and with 11 million ILLEGAL immgrants living openly & straining social services, I wonder how Germany's attitudes towards Latin American immigrants would be?
Do you think it will be as favorable as USA (57%). As it is Germany doesn't even have an open border with North African/Arab countries with 11 million ILLEGAL immigrants from those countries and yet Germany has much lower rate of tolerance for those immigrants (26%)
I suppose they teach critical thinking skills in German schools?
They you should not have a problem understanding why PEW chose the countries that are the biggest immigrant groups for Europe and N.America respectively.
Europe gets most of its immigrants from Eastern Europe/Arab/North Africa.
Whereas North America gets most of its immigrants from Asia/Latin America.
So PEW naturally asked what Europeans & North Americans thought about the groups that make up the bulk of their immigrants in their respective countries.
Europe was polled on how they felt about EUROPE's immigrants.
While North Americans were polled on NORTH AMERICAN immigrants.
Simple enough for you?
And here are the hard cold facts about how tolerant Germany and USA are towards the immigrants that come into their respective countries.
German favorable views of immigrants that come into Germany = 2% to 34%
American favorable views of immigrants that come into USA = 57% to 61%
And this is not 'cherry picking'. It is very precise polling on the immigrants that come into their countries.
And Germany is the most intolerant country in the west, the USA is the most tolerant in the west and you think Germany is in the same league as the USA. What are you smoking?
typo " German favorable views of immigrants = 26% to 34%"
you take drugs or watch too much fox news or both. I live among Germans for quite some time now and albeit I dislike quite some of their habits I still prefer 'intolerant' Germany to unreasonable and badly educated USofA.
Btw: hating Germans is also racism.
Ok so PEW hates Germans.
We get it.
"Wishful thinking. An no evidence provided just your view. Same as your view that Germany is in the same league as USA in terms of tolerance towards immigrants."
Canada 35% & 62
Germany 33% & 66%
Regarding the 11 million illegal immigrants (~56% from Mexico, ~22% from Latin America). If we convert the number to the size of Germany´s population, it will mean that Germany would have around 3 million illegal immigrants in her border. The guesstimate for Germany is 0,8 to 1,2 million immigrants, but don´t forget that Germany shares in despite to the USA free movement of people with East-Europe. This means that East Europeans can freely settle down in Germany and are not regarded as illegal. What would happen, if it was legal that every Mexican and Latin Americans can move into the United States?
You asked, how Germany's attitudes towards Latin American immigrants would be in your case. I don´t know. If I have to guess, I will say it would a negative one then.
However I don´t believe that the US-American approval is as high as you suggested. The Republicians are not very well-known for their pro-immigration efforts. And the question wasn´t about Latin Americans solely. Imagine someone would ask Germans about their views of immigrants from Canadians AND East Europeans.
"I suppose they teach critical thinking skills in German schools?"
They do.
"They you should not have a problem understanding why PEW chose the countries that are the biggest immigrant groups for Europe and N.America respectively."
I know. But the problem is that you cannot (or better: you shouldn´t) mix data like this. What will Europeans say about Asian immigrants? About Latin American immigrants? What would the US-Americans say about immigrants from Eastern Europe/Arab/North Africa?
Sadly the question wasn´t about immigrants in general. Therefore I took the immigration restriction question.
"German favorable views of immigrants that come into Germany = 2% to 34%
American favorable views of immigrants that come into USA = 57% to 61%"
Can you show me the statistic? Too be honest it can be that I am wrong and the today´s USA is more liberal. The media usually shows the ugly face of a country and I read too much about US-American history.
By the way Canada is much more tolerant than Germany and the USA. "What are you smoking?" ;)
The questions were:
Q10e On a different topic, please tell me if you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable opinion of: e. Jews
USA: 41% (very favorable) / 36% (somewhat favorable), 5% (somewhat unfavorable) / 2% (very unfavorable opinion) / 17% (DK/Refused)
Germany: 8% (very favorable) / 56% (somewhat favorable), 21% (somewhat unfavorable) / 4% (very unfavorable opinion) / 11% (DK/Refused)
Q10g On a different topic, please tell me if you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable opinion of: g. Muslims
USA: 20% (very favorable) / 36% (somewhat favorable), 13% (somewhat unfavorable) / 10% (very unfavorable opinion) / 21% (DK/Refused)
Germany: 4% (very favorable) / 36% (somewhat favorable), 38% (somewhat unfavorable) / 12% (very unfavorable opinion) / 10% (DK/Refused)
Too be honest, I doubt that this survey answers the question about the level of tolerance regarding Jews or Muslims in Germany.
The German public is just more critical about the Mideast conflict and the immigration problems of the Muslim immigrants are more concrete in Germany.
"However I don´t believe that the US-American approval is as high as you suggested."
I did not "suggest" it. Unlike you and other who think wishful thinking and myths magically turn into facts, I gave the results of PEW surveys. It appears that critical thinking skills are indeed lacking in German schools if simply because you 'think' USA is not as tolerant as Germany it magically becomes a fact.
Here are the hard cold facts from PEW.
USA - favorable views of Latin American immigrants = 57%
USA - favorable views of Asian immigrants = 61%
If this contradicts the propaganda you have been fed by the European media who have skilfully managed to distort the opposition to ILLEGAL immigrants as as assault on ALL immigrants even legal immigrants, than blame the european media.
Eurpeans are not generally aware that the USA like other nations of immigrants (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) has had immigration programs for centuries that allow people from all over the world to LEGALLY immigrate into the USA. In fact the USA allows 1 million LEGAL immigrants into the country every year.
ILLEGAL immigrants are a different matter, no country allows ILLEGAL immigrants, least of Europe where most of them are locked up in detention centers and deported.
AS you are aware the USA faces a huge problem of ILLEGAL immigrants who pour in through an open border with Mexico.
It is however interesting that even though all European parties even socialist parties are against ILLEGAL immigration, it is not considered intolerant to be against illegal immigrants for European parties. However the republicans are considered intolerant for being against illegals by Europeans. Very interesting don't you think?
"Can you show me the statistic?"
Here are the stastics from PEW.
Most of Germany's immigrants come from Eastern Europe and Middle-East/North Africa.
So PEW polled Germans on their attitudes towards the immigrants who come to into their country.
Germany - favorable views of Middle-East/North African immigrants = 26%
Germany - favorable views of Eastern European immigrants = 34%
Most of USA's immigrants come from Latin America & Asia, so PEW polled Americans on how they feel about the immigrants that come into their country.
USA - favorable view of Asian immigrants = 61%
USA - favorable view of Latin American immigrants = 57%
These are the conclusions from PEW on the research into attitudes towards immigrants. Please note this is PEW study.
"North Americans generally are more welcoming to immigrants than are Western Europeans.
Among Western European publics, Swedes are the most likely to say immigration from North Africa and the Middle East, as well as from Eastern Europe, is a good thing for their country, while Italians and Germans express the most negative views."
Okay, I have looked into this survey, too.
PEW´s conclusion "North Americans generally are more welcoming to immigrants than are Western Europeans." cannot be verified by the underlying data. (Download it, if you want.) What we can conclude is that North Americans are very welcome to Asians and Latin Americans. Additionally we can conclude that Swedes are much more welcome than Italians and Germans.
By the way I´ve said that Germany and the USA were in the same league and not that Germany was more tolerant.
However I think that I was wrong. Even if we cannot make this conclusion with the PEW survey, I doubt that Germany would be as welcome towards Asians and Latin Americans as the USA (or if there was a question about immigrants in general: towards immigrants in general).
I know many nice and liberal US-Americans myself. Therefore it surprising that they usually say that Europe is more tolerant in this matter.
You´ve said that illegal immigrants are a different case. That´s true, but the overall impression is that the Reps are intolerant.
After all they use the same arguments as far right-wing Germans, who are against legal immigrants from Eastern Europe/Arab/North Africa: Uneducated, poor, cannot speak the native language, abuse our high-standard welfare state (health care, living cost and rent fee inclusive).
The USA have very strict rules in this case, which would sort them to the "illegal immigrants" group.
Saying, as Swedes do in their best poll-behavior, that
" . . . immigration from North Africa and the Middle East, as well as from Eastern Europe, is a good thing for their country"
sounds cute and fashionable. It may even bring new dishes to the local restaurants.
We may ask, though: Do migrants to these kewl countries live better, earn more money, etc than migrants who end up in "bad, unfriendly" Germany?
It's an open question. Any polls on that?
"You´ve said that illegal immigrants are a different case. That´s true, but the overall impression is that the Reps are intolerant."
And what is the position of Eurpoean liberal parties on ILLEGAL immigrants?
Are not even socialists in Europe against ILLEGAL immigrants?
So why the double standard? If europeans are against ILLEGAL immigrants, it is ok and they are tolerant. But if Americans are against ILLEGAL immigrants it is not OK and they are intolerant and use the language of fascism.
"The USA have very strict rules in this case, which would sort them to the "illegal immigrants" group."
No the USA has like other nations of immigrants (Australia, Canada, New Zeland) has had for centuries immigration PROGRAMS which allow immigrants from all over the world to LEGALLY immigrate into the USA. The USA accepts 1 million LEGAL immigrants every year.
Europe has no such history and seems to confuse the situation of illegal immigration in the USA with the situation of legally residing immigrants in Europe.
You need to compare the republican stance on illegal immigrants to the Europe's stance on illegal immigrants.
Europe locks up illegal immigrants in detention centers and deports most of them back home.
Reagan when he was governor of California gave amnesty to millions of ILLEGAL immigrants in California and gave the children of illegal immigrants the right to attend public schools in California. Reagan as you know was a republican.
Rick Perry the current republican governor of Texas gave the children of illegal immigrants the right to the state funded Texas university education paid by the taxpayer.
And tell me how many European political parties are in favor of giving free state funded university education for IllEGAL immigrants?
In Europe people who lock up ILLEGAL immigrants in detention centers are considered "liberal". In Europe people who send EU border guards to Greece to keep out ILLEGALS from entering EU are considered "liberal".
In Europe, giving the police the right to check ID papers for legal status is considered "liberal".
At some point, Europeans have to take a good look at their double standards when it comes to ILLEGAL immigrants. Pointing th finger at republicans as fascist while eurpeans have much harsher and more cruel policy towards ILLEGAL immigrants is the height of hypocrisy.
"Do migrants to these kewl countries live better, earn more money, etc than migrants who end up in "bad, unfriendly" Germany?"
Well, if the polls give an impression of "bad, unfriendly" Germany, than you have to take it up with the Germans. After all it was Germans who were polled on how they felt about the immigrants in Germany. Not me.
And as for living better in Sweden, since Sweden consistently scores better than Germany in quality of life in UN and OECD stats ....
Ok, so I see that "lumping togther" failed, the PC failed, now we are on the "which country gives a better life to immigrants".
"And what is the position of Eurpoean liberal parties on ILLEGAL immigrants? Are not even socialists in Europe against ILLEGAL immigrants?"
Usually they say, that it should be made legal.
"No the USA has like other nations of immigrants (Australia, Canada, New Zeland) has had for centuries immigration PROGRAMS which allow immigrants from all over the world to LEGALLY immigrate into the USA. The USA accepts 1 million LEGAL immigrants every year."
Germany took over these immigration programs after WW II and has even laxer rules than Canada. Germany accepts ~ 0,6 million immigrants per year.
"Europe locks up illegal immigrants in detention centers and deports most of them back home."
True. Same goes for USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#D...
"Reagan when he was governor of California gave amnesty to millions of ILLEGAL immigrants in California and gave the children of illegal immigrants the right to attend public schools in California. Reagan as you know was a republican."
The reasons behind Reagan´s decision are a little bit complicated. However I appreciate his choice. But isn´t the amnesty used against the Reps at moment? "Reagan did this, too." "Even Reagan wouldn´t be elected by the Republicians at the moment" etc.
"Rick Perry the current republican governor of Texas gave the children of illegal immigrants the right to the state funded Texas university education paid by the taxpayer.
And tell me how many European political parties are in favor of giving free state funded university education for IllEGAL immigrants?"
I don´t know, but there are politicians of the three left parties in Germany. However I am not sure, whether they are serious or not. Wasn´t Rick Perry hit hard by criticism?
"In Europe people who lock up ILLEGAL immigrants in detention centers are considered "liberal". In Europe people who send EU border guards to Greece to keep out ILLEGALS from entering EU are considered "liberal" In Europe, giving the police the right to check ID papers for legal status is considered "liberal"."
No, it isn´t considered as liberal.
"At some point, Europeans have to take a good look at their double standards when it comes to ILLEGAL immigrants. Pointing th finger at republicans as fascist while eurpeans have much harsher and more cruel policy towards ILLEGAL immigrants is the height of hypocrisy."
No, many Europeans think the same about illegal immigrants. Nobody said that Reps are facists. Maybe you should stop to involve non-existing accusations.
"Europe locks up illegal immigrants in detention centers and deports most of them back home."
True. Same goes for USA
Sorry but the 11 million ILLEGAL immigrants currently residing n the USA are not locked up in detention centers but living openly and also marching by the millions demanding the same rights as citizens such as the right to vote and welfare benefits.
Very different from the EU.
But hating Germans is a national duty in many Western nations and in most Western nations people are educated and trained hating the Germans as it has been a very long tradition in the USA and first of all in Britain.
Every school-system in Western countries is demonizing the Germans like a brainwash.
Just have a look at the school-books in Britain, France, Italy or the USA and then have look at Polish or Russian school-books and you will find out the difference.
That does not surprise me
Muslims in the USA have to work to make a living
Not so in Germany!
They know how to milk the social system to perfection.
Even the law in Germany is in favour of Muslims. They can have lots of wife's have 10-15 kids and expect the Germans to pay for it and thank us by calling us Nazis in our own country.
In day to day experiences we ordinary Germans have with Muslims makes me wonder that the percentage is so low.
Now to Jews
We Germans have no problems with Jews, the poor perception is due to the policies of the Israeli government and of course due to one sided media coverage.
In the German media it is always the Israelis who bomb Gaza, even if the Israelis are just retaliating.
I hope this shed some light to the numbers.
As you can see there are often other reasons than just plain racism.
The comparison of tolerance toward inmigrantes in Germany, USA or Canada doesn´t make sense.
USA and Canada are two countries founded by inmigrants, they received
contstant flow of inmigrants through their history and today American
and Canadian societies are really multicultural and tolerant.
In Europe, the level of tolerance toward inmigrants may vary from country to country but as average, the tolerance of inmigrants
in Europe is far lower than in USA and Canada.
My personal impression is that Germany is among the most tolerant
countries in Europe, with the exception of East Germany (former GDR)
which still has a long way to go to be at the same level as the western part of the country in the aspect of tolerance as well as
in many other aspects.
Obviously, this last remark doesn´t apply to Berlin, which as a capital, is a truly cosmpopolitan city.
"My personal impression is that Germany is among the most tolerant
countries in Europe,"
Well than if you had this erroneous impression it is probably due to German propaganda because PEW surveys clearly show that Germany is the most intolerant country in Europe towards the immigrants groups that come to europe.
Europe gets most of its immigrants from Arab/North Africa & Eastern europe. And PEW did a survey on European attitudes towards these immigrant groups that come into Europe.
Favorable views of immigrants from North Africa/Middle east & eastern Europe
Sweden = 57% to 63%
France = 53% to 53%
Britain = 51% to 56%
Spain = 44% to 45%
Germany = 26% to 34%
PS: And yet Germans will claim with confidence that they are the most tolerant towards immigrants in Europe. Very strange.
And it appears they also think they are as tolerant or even more toleant than the USA which together with Canada is the most tolerant towards immigrants in the west. Very strange indeed.
Any survey that lumps together immigrants from Eastern Europe with those from North Africa and the Middle East is seriously flawed.
The first group (generally) shares many things with Germans.
The second group shares almost nothing with Germans, and their influx is more likely to cause societal headaches.
So an honest survey question would be: "Are you in favor of less or more headaches?"
If you had bothered to read the link, you would have seen that eastern europeans are not lumped together with North Africa and middle east.
hence that is why there are two percentage figures given for each country.
Example Sweden : 57% for Middle East/North African
63% for eastern europeans.
Simple enough for you?
So you don't even bother to read the link and than comment on it. No wonder you get so many things wrong.
If you did bother to read the link than you would see that PEW gives two separate charts for two different polls. One showing approval rates for E.Europeans, and another poll showing approval rates for middle east/North Africa. And I have given the TWO poll percentages for each country in my post.
Canada and the U.S. are largely tolerant of immigrants because they have rigorous standards for which prospective immigrants must meet before even being considered for immigration into either country. Take a look at Canada's recent immigration reforms (on top of already tough standards): immigrants MUST speak either English or French (and are tested), immigrants must have knowledge of Canada and its history (again, they are tested), they must have jobs waiting for them upon arrival, they must be highly skilled and their expertise must be in a field that will benefit Canada (family reunification is almost non-existent these days -- the gov't in Canada has slashed this kind of immigration by up to 90%), and all immigrants are expected to comply with the "duties" and "privileges" of living in Canada (these expectations are outlined in a formal citizenship guide given to all new citizens). As a result of these standards (plus all the health testing required), Canada and the U.S. only admit wealthy, highly educated, law abiding immigrants and thus public support for immigration remains high. North America attracts a very different type of immigrant than Europe does and I think Europe would do well to pay attention to North America's immigration requirements and emulate them for itself.
I generally do not read paste jobs ("links")
I've read your text, though:
"Favorable views of immigrants from North Africa/Middle east & eastern Europe
Sweden = 57% to 63%"
That has the appearance of lumping together.
But technically you "win," if that's your ambition.
It is not mine.
This does not diminish the validity of my observation: Today's Germans are P.C. enough in many ways, but they are not P.C. enough (for you) to mouth the fashionable text to pollsters, claiming that they are just sooo crazy about immigrants. Instead, they enact laws to allow the immigrants in, create conditions that allow them to work and raise families, and generally treat them much better than they are treated in their homelands by their own kin / governments. (Algeria? Egypt? Syria?. . .)
Poverty does not explain all: Poor North Africans flood into Spain, too, but they move on as quickly as they can, because living in refugee camps is not their life ambition.
You and I agree on many things; certainly when it comes to standing up for the US against wild accusations. It is regrettable that you refuse to see my point, my only point, which is that post-1945 Germans created a society that is about as free of problems as possible in our time.
1)Since PEW assures anonymity to those that it polls, the question of PC does not arise. But nice try anyway.
2) It is not a question about 'winning" but about FACTS. It is not me who won, but the truth that won - that NO, Eastern europeans were not lumped together with middle east/North Africans. Period.
It appears your attempt to discredit the PEW poll with that "lumpimg together " didn't work.
So now you have tried the PC route and that too doesn't work since PEW polls are conducted on a basis of anonymity.
Now one must ask, why you feel the need to make up excuses and come up with all sorts of lame attempts to discredit, everytime infactual remarks that paint a rosy picture of Germany are exposed as lies , it seems to send you off the edge.
"As a result of these standards (plus all the health testing required), Canada and the U.S. only admit wealthy, highly educated, law abiding immigrants."
What planet do you live in when in this day and age of the globalized media when even in the most remotest corner of the world, people know that millions of ILLEGAL immigrants pour into the USA from Mexico.
The largest number of immigrants to the USA were from Mexico who simply crossed the border ILLEGALLY and they are poor and uneducated.
It is estimated that the USA has already absorbed over 20 million of them in the past 2 decades and currently has 11 million ILLEGAL immgrants living openly and sending their chilren to free public schools and getting free healthcare from emergency wards, marching by the millions demanding the same rights as citizens such as the right to vote and welfare benefits.
In Europe, ILLEGAL immigrants are locked up in detention centers and most of them are deported back. I hear the EU is sending more border guards to Greece to keep out ILLEGALS and all those barbed wire detention centers across Europe for illegals have been beamed to the world thanks to the globalized media.
And before you say anything, the 11 million ILLEGALS in the USA are not in detention centers but living openly and marching by the millions demanding the same rights as citizens. In Europe if any illegal immigrant dared to march openly they would be immediately arrested and locked up in a detention center and deported back pronto pronto.
Nice try.
And you are terribly ignorant about Canada too. Canada has a very lax refugee policy which has seen large numbers of refugees admitted into the country for humanitarian reasons from all the trouble spots of the world ranging from Somalia to Bosnia, to Kosovo etc.
Also no immigrants don't need to have a job waiting.
This is the part of my message you either did not read or did not consider important, which is a mistake because this is the only thing that matters:
You and I agree on many things; certainly when it comes to standing up for the US against wild accusations. It is regrettable that you refuse to see my point,
my only point,
which is that post-1945 Germans created a society that is about as free of problems as possible in our time.
I've been debating some obtuse individuals for five decades now (Commie apparatchiki, East Coast salon-pinkos, Alabama racists, and lately Jihadist-apologists) but your "style" takes the cake.
(Btw, here I only refer to how you come across in in your "contributions." For all I know,in real life you could be a normal and pleasant enough person.)
You live by what polls say, go ahead: I will live by what I see on the ground.
Since Germany is a country of over 80 million people, what you see on the ground is a very tiny slice of the whole country.
This why serious research uses surveys/polls to get an better and more accurate picture of the WHOLE country, not merely anecdotal evidence.
There is much under the surface of any country which is not visible to the outsider. Perhaps this is most clearly seen by the success of Thilo Sarrazin's book which claimed muslim immigrants lower the intelligence level of Germany became a hot best seller in Germany. Clearly there is something brewing under the surface of this "about as free as possible society". And please note, once again I am talking about FACTS - Sarrazin's books did become a hot best seller.
. . . hot best seller = "facts." That's a novel notion.
Ok, that was a flippant remark. Apologies. (But still: "Love Story" was a "hot best seller" too.)
I looked at the book quickly, and I find myself agreeing with much of it.
But Sarrazin says nothing about the the ONLY point I am making: Namely that Germany rebuilt admirably and today's Germans (while deep down "not loving" immigrants) provide good living for them and a way out of their miserable existence "back home."
Something brewing under the surface . . . everywhere. Duh.
To be as picayune as you are, I did not say "about as free as possible society." What I did say was "a society that is about as free of problems as possible in our time."
There are plenty of my colleagues who disagree with me. If you're with them, that's fine. Around here we call that diversity of views. And we cherish it.
Europe in general has integeration problems with muslim immigrants and Germany is no exception.
However while I think immigrants have to learn the language and integrate into the host country and accept the values of a liberal democratic state, I draw the line at linking intellience to ethnicity. That is cuckoo.
Keep living in ignorance. Try gaining LAWFUL entrance into the USA. It's next to impossible. In addition to Canada's overall immigration laws having been completely overhauled, Canada's refugee policies have been severely tightened (it has a conservative government). And FYI, the largest number of immigrants to the USA now come from Asia. Nice try re: Mexico. What was true 10-15 years ago is not true now (I keep on top of these things, unlike you obviously).
Europe doesn't deport illegals 'pronto.' HA HA HA (that made me laugh out loud). Europe's immigration system is a joke. I couldn't believe all the poor, uneducated Africans and Muslims lying about on European streets. I was truly shocked. Every single European I talk to believes Europe's immigration system (including the process dealing with illegals) is a joke.
And yes, to move to Canada now (under its most heavily used immigration categories), an immigrant needs a job. Again, the differences between the European and North American immigration system are like night and day. Do your research, please.
Also, beginning next year, with the exception of American citizens, anyone (including ALL citizens of the European Union) travelling into Canada will be required to complete an online visa petition called an Electronic Travel Authorization (ETA). Canada implemented this change just last year. This brings Canada into line with Australia and the United States who also require visas or some kind of entry permit for ALL travellers (except the U.S. allows Canadians to travel freely as if they were American). Europeans fed up with limitless immigration and open borders can only dream of policies like this. Also, Canada still requires visas of Romanian and Bulgarian nationals (completely disallowed under European law for travel within the EU). So I'm afraid it is YOU who is terribly ignorant about Canada's laws.
These are just numbers.
No one in his right mind would publiclly say anything that is not pc.
And why should Germans not be intolerant to people who only come to milk us dry, keep on making demands on end expect us to adapt to their way of life instead of them adapting to ours.
This government ordered multicultural experience is bound to fail and it is bound to explode into our faces..
Please don't try the PC excuse as it will get laughed out of the stage.
There is a reason why polls are conducted on a basis of anonymity. So the question of PC does not even arise.
Nice try however.
And by the way all European countries have problems with muslim integration however other western European countries are more tolerant. Example France even after the suburbs of Paris burned has a more favorable view of Middle-east/North African muslims than Germany.
PEW research show Germany as the least tolerant towards immigrants than other western European countries. And since other western European countries have the same problems or even worse problems than Germany with integration of muslims, your reasons or shall we say excuses don't sound convincing.
Irony should have it that the American flag has undergone a transformation in the opposite direction as the German flag has been rehabilitated. The Stars and Stripes too was once an innocent symbol of patriotism. But thanks to ultra-hawks and social conservatives who insist America is a "Christian nation", the flag has become infused with an ideology that closely resembles fascism.
Amd this supposedly "fascist" flag has a liberal democratic president and a democrat majority congress?
Kinda looks fishy to me.
An innnocent flag that is being hijacked by fascists.
Nowadays the aforementioned have to carefully calculate just the right amount of flag waving.
Too little and you clearly hate your country (and probably weren't even born there). Too much and you're a nationalist to whom any other country may as well be the dark side of the moon.
Remember how pissy you guys got because Obama didn't wear a flag on his lapel?
I don't give a damn whether Obama wears a flag on his lapel or not.
Just pointing out some facts whenever someone goes over the top.
you may have democracy as much as you want and still be a fascist country. It may come as a surprise to you but increasingly USofA is perceived as war mongering, narrow minded, self obsessed and righteous country - your flag is routinely burnt o streets around globe. it is of course a shame but considering how widely spread such views are then even if they are largely wrong they count and USofA has a problem.
Oh dear you must be mistaking what is happening in the streets of Greece to Germany's flag.
Perhaps you need some eye glasses.
>>"USofA is perceived as war mongering, narrow minded, self obsessed and righteous"<<
Sounds like their latest export, this emmyfinney (SherryBlack).
Perfect fit! :):):)
to umghh
"your flag is routinely burnt o streets around globe. it is of course a shame but considering how widely spread such views are then even if they are largely wrong they count."
Negative. Sorry: Wrong views do not count. If they did, then racism, antisemitism, and the like would rule our behavior.
Do they rule yours?
I do not agree.
The American flag is the first flag of all countries.
The German flag fortunately does appear fortunately nowhere and so it is a rather unimportant flag.
And Germans are right if they have been hiding their flag wherever they can.
There is no need to represent the German flag outside of Germany.
If the Greeks and other nations love to burn the German flag just let them have their pleasure:)
Germans should stay at the sideline everywhere and stay modest.
The current German flag was never hijacked by fascists.
They had their own.
very true, and that will probably help Germany maintain a clear distinction between healthy patriotism and dangerous nationalists.
the NDP dreams in red, white, and black. everytime i see that colour scheme on a 'minirock statt mineret' sign, i daydream about doing a little public burning of my own. tolerance and moral authority tries my patience.
i was referring to the American flag. sorry, should've been clearer.
"However I don´t think that Germany is more tolerant to immigrants than Canada. I would rather say, that my country is on the same league as the USA."
You are entitled to your myths however you are not entitled to your own facts.
Germany is not only far more intolerant than the USA when it comes to immigrants but it also appears to be the most intolerant in western Europe towards immigrants.
From PEW :
"North Americans generally are more welcoming to immigrants than are Western Europeans.
Among Western European publics, Swedes are the most likely to say immigration from North Africa and the Middle East, as well as from Eastern Europe, is a good thing for their country, while Italians and Germans express the most negative views."
From PEW:
1) Germany the most intolerant towards immigrants in western europe.
2 North Americans far more tolerant towards immigrants than western Europeans.
PEW did a survey of west Europeans and North American attitudes towards the immigrant groups that come to their countries. North America gets most of its immigrants from Asia & Latin America. Europe gets most of its immigrants from Eastern Europe/Arab/North African countries.
Favorable views of immigrants from North Africa/Middle east & eastern Europe
Sweden = 57% & 63%
France = 53% & 53%
Britain = 51% & 56%
Spain = 44% & 45%
Germany = 26% & 34%
Favorable views of immigrants from Asia & Latin America
Canada = 71% & 72%
Bottom line
Germany favorable views of immigrants = 26% & 34%
USA favorable views of immigrants = 61% & 57%
PS: What planet do you live in ListePeople to make such grandiose remarks such as Germany is in the same leagues as the USA when it comes to tolerance towards immigrants. You are not even in the same leauges as the Spanish let alone the USA.
Germany isn't tolerant of Germany, just get any West German to discuss East Germans.
I would like to emphazise, that "germanambassador" is definetly not (!) speaking for a majority of germans, no matter how often he repeats.
Best Regards from Germany, Cologne
P.S. Just visited UK last month, thanks for warm welcome ;)
His nickname says otherwise xD
emmafinney and Germanambassador are an interesting pair.
Can someone explain me what happened between them? How can these two completely different persone exist in the same place?
Real diversity.
Not the "diversity" that is in vogue US-wide: You know, the kind that can be photographed and looks "great" in magazines.
But real diversity -- of thinking, mindsets, attitudes.
The diversity that makes this such a wonderfully interesting world.
How dull gray life would be without it.
Interesting how a thread can go off on a tangent. I was just going to comment that I count 6 foreign last names on the German team: 3 Turkish, 2 Polish and 1 Ghanaian and 1 Spanish. Whilst Gomez is unusual, I'm equally surprised that there is no name of Greek or Italian origin playing on the German squad.
Germany is a heterogeneous and culturally tolerant country and I'm delighted on their behalf that Germans are also allowed to be proud of their national football team. After all they do allow those of Italian heritage wave il Tricolore right in their faces after being beaten by the Azzuri in the semi-finals.
Sorry to bring the discussion back from WWII to the 2012 Euro and flag-waving.
If you think the ethnic composition of a football team tells us anything about a country's tolerance you are living in a delusional world.
France's team has been for a long time composed mainly of North African/Arab ethnicity, however this didn't prevent the suburbs of Paris burning.
And in Germany, racist abuse against players is quite common in football stadiiums.
From Der Spiegel:
"The problem of racism on German soccer fields is one that has gotten worse and worse in recent years. There have been numerous cases of fans chanting ape noises at black players.
There was even a case last summer of fans firing off a torrent of anti-Semitic abuse at two teams of 14-year-olds.
Hardly a weekend goes by in Germany without some sort of racist incident on the football pitch or in the stands."
I was saying, or implying, nothing of the sort. I was correcting the number 5 in the article to the number 6. I concluded nothing from that.
I believe Germany is tolerant to immigrants compared to other countries. I did not, and will not, comment on the behaviour of football fans.
If you don't have the time or the interest to read and understand other posts, please don't comment on them and refrain from making offensive statements.
Why don't you back up your remarks about "Germany is tolerant to immigrants compared to other countries" with links.
And wise descision to not comment on the behavior of German football fans because that would contradict your above remarks.
And instead of being abusive and nasty towards those who point out our remarks paint a far too rosy picture of Germany, try to deal with it.
The online version of Der Spiegel usually exxagerates many topics. It isn´t similiar to its print version and is called a tabloid.
However I don´t think that Germany is more tolerant to immigrants than Canada. I would rather say, that my country is on the same league as the USA. There is still enough work to do.
On the contrary Germany is far more intolerant than the USA - see PEW surveys below. However don't let the facts get in the view of your myths. I guess now PEW will be proclaimed "tabloid" too? lol
Unfavorable views of muslims
Germany = 50%
Unfavorable views of Jews
Germany = 25%
And you think a country where football stadiums erupt in ape chants at black players is in the same leagues as a country that has elected a black president? LOL. Don't let critical thinking skills get in the way of myths either.
And excuse me if Der Spiegel is "tabloid" by your standards, a blatant lie however we will let it go. How about BBC? New York Times? I guess they are all "tabloid" by your standards too? lol
If and when any continental European country elects a black president, ape chants will the least of his concerns. A fascist putsch will be more likely given Europe's history and sad record of racism.
Don't even think you can compare your country to the USA in terms of tolerance. The south now has 2 governors of Indian heritage elected by majority white voters in state wide elections to the top post. How many governors of Turkish heritage in Germany now?
Time has an excellent article on the sad state of racism in Europe today now in the 21st century which erupts openly in football stadiums. Very sad indeed
"it's quite conceivable that Barack Obama, were he a football player rather than the President of the United States, would be targeted by racist taunts."
Gomez has a German mother and a Spanish father. Khedira has a German mother and a Tunisian father. Baoteng has a German mother and a Ghaniaian father. Özil is a Turk born in Germany. Podolski and Klose are born in Poland.
Who are the other two Turks?
Thore also thinks Germany is more tolerant towards immigrants than other countries while PEW surveys show the opposite.
So, doesn't surprise me that he sees more Turkish players in the German squad than there is actually.
You are right.
The ethnic composition can be put down to a Migrant quota requirement.
After all the government needs to show their people how well the Multicultural experiment is progressing, never mind that they refuse to sing the national Anthem.
And hardly a weekend goes by where violence erupts from all those immigrant teams whom beat up referees and German fans if the lose.
The real racists are the immigrants themselves.
The think they are better than Germans and hence refuse to assimilate
Can you prove this? Please provide the sources for how immigrants are beating up German fans and shourting racist abuse at Germans in football stadiums.
But I see that reverse psychology where you project the behavior of German racism into the immigrants is well honed skill.
Kinda similar to how Goebbels blamed the Jews for Kristallnacht don't you think? Reverse psychology. Project your own behavior onto others to deflect blame.
The PEW might statisticly demonstrating to you Germany is inferior tolerant compared to the USA. But you are using every single number you can find in world statistics against Germany. You should realize it, you are a german hater. Nothing more nothing less.
What's not to be proud of? Bombed "back to the stone age" and yet, within a few years, back at top of their game -- which is the well-being of their own people. If every country did half as well, suddenly the EU would make sense, hideous ideologies would be mere reading matter and a butt of stand-up comics, and people would be happy enough to remain within their own cultural environments. (Extensive and frequent visits excluded, of course.)
Well, prehaps if you had any common sense it would hit you that if you go around bombing others to the stone age, they would come and do the same to you.
BTW, when you will start talking about how Germany bombed Poland, Britain, Soviet union, Netherlands etc back to the stone age?
Coventry was reduced to ashes, Rotterdam was bombed to smitherens after Netherlands surrendered, Warsaw was reduced to ashes, the Soviet union received more bombs in one month than Germany received in 3 years.
Time for Germans to think about all the other countries they "bombed back to the stoneage".
Next time think twice before bombing the hell out of countries oK?
Read Bomber Command by Max Hastings. That will set the record straight. What the Germans did the British simply does not, and cannot compare to the utter destruction unleashed by the RAF. The Battle of Britain was over in 1940, the RAF's last sortie was April 1945.
Tell that to Warsaw, Rotterdam, Stalingrad, etc
The first terror bombing of civilians was by the luftwaffe during the Spanish civil war. The city of Guernica was destroyed.
I wasn't aware that Warsaw, Rotterdam, or Stalingrad were British cities.
Didn't say they were.
So you are just randomly brining up a separate topic to justify your point?
The British are proud of their bombings on German cities and they celebrate their actions every year many times.
Bomber-Harris is a hero in Britain.
So let the British enjoy their pride as long they need it.
Fortunately nobody in Germany is celebrating anything.
But that is the basic difference between British and German people.
Germans feel ashamed while British feel pride by mocking at the Germans they bombed.
So Germans and British are different and will stay enemies for ever.
So I definitively would say that British and Germans are a completely different type of human beings.
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Phoronix: NVIDIA 310.14: OpenGL 4.3, Threaded Optimizations
NVIDIA pushed out their first Linux graphics driver beta in the 310.xx series on Monday. The NVIDIA 310.14 driver supports OpenGL 4.3, brings threaded OpenGL performance optimizations, and many other new features. The NVIDIA 310.14 Beta for Linux is an exciting release!..
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That's brilliant, actually. It seems this is in-line with http://www.aewi.info/rgl ?
And more users means more power to pressure nvidia for openness and more chances of getting it(Yay!). But some people are to stuck thinking one way only.
I guess the opensource zealots thing was kinda true in the end.
Nvidia might be unable to implement Optimus through DMA-BUF though due to legal issues, regardless of zealotry etc.
Glad to see improvements on the driver though.
Hopefully Catalyst 12.9 will have some good improvements too.
Not only that, it says it addresses the performance issues when moving a window which uses VDPAU - this is great since I tried playing video with VDPAU and it's wonderful - CPU usage went from like 50-60% to only 2% but it wasn't usable because of the window move/resize severe performance drop, as soon as this update hits some PPA I'll surely switch to it and see if it's indeed fixed!
I even recall thinking to myself "why did Nvidia invent VDPAU which has such severe issues with moving windows" now I know it was just a bug in their driver.
PS: to test VDPAU I used smplayer since neither gstreamer/Totem, nor VLC use it, at least not by default and I heard VLC's usage of VDPAU if enabled is not efficient.
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Wasn't nvidia supposed to have this for years? Or is it only now coming to linux, having been on windows for long?
Yes, threaded optimizations have been supported under Windows for a while now.


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A new worldwide medical-assistance program is now available for travelers looking for greater peace of mind. Private JetMD provides members with $1 million of coverage for travel-related accidents or illness.
December 14, 2011
Houston-based Landmark Aviation has introduced Landmark Connect, a free application that's compatible with iPhones and iPads. (Versions for Android and Blackberry smartphones will be available soon.) According to Landmark, the app provides customers with service and contact information for every FBO in its network.
December 14, 2011
Year-over-year business aircraft flying activity is up 1 percent, according to data released by aviation services company Argus. The greatest growth was in the small-cabin-jet category, where the number of flights rose 2.1 percent. Flights increased 1.7 percent for midsized business jets and 1.1 percent for turboprops, but declined 2.8 percent for large-cabin jets.
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Fontainebleau Aviation has opened an FBO at south Florida's Opa-locka Executive Airport. The facility incorporates five hangars with more than 100,000 square feet of space and can accommodate aircraft as large as a Boeing Business Jet.
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Atlantic Aviation has announced that six airports where it operates have been approved as gateways to Washington Reagan National Airport under the DCA Access Standard Security Program. The program allows certain pre-cleared general aviation operations to fly into Washington Reagan National. The newly approved Atlantic locations are George Bush Intercontinental/Houston Airport, William P.
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Gulfstream Aerospace has opened a Beijing sales office in the China World Tower, which is in the middle of the city's central business district. "As the business aviation market continues to expand in Asia Pacific, it becomes increasingly important that Gulfstream and [parent company] General Dynamics have a permanent presence in Beijing," said Larry Flynn, Gulfstream's president.
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Strengths: Good water-soluble cleansers.
Weaknesses: Expensive; most of the products contain fragrance ingredients known to cause irritation; no sunscreens; no daily-use AHA or BHA products to exfoliate skin; no products to address the needs of those with acne or skin discolorations; the Replenishing Night Oil doesn't replenish anything; some products will see their natural ingredients become ineffective due to jar packaging.
United Kingdom–based Nude Skincare has made quite a splash in that part of the world. It was founded by "eco-entrepreneur" Bryan Meehan, owner of the U.K.'s Fresh and Wild organic grocery stores (their American parent company is Whole Foods). Now, in addition to selling healthy foods, he mixes them into cosmetics and sells them as well, which was a natural (pun intended) next step for Meehan. After all, it was only a matter of time before he noticed and took advantage of the fact that natural skin-care products sell well in health food stores, just as major grocery stores sell mass-market product lines. Thus, Nude Skincare was born, and according to Meehan, Nude Skincare is "the first luxury skincare line that is free from the chemicals your body would rather avoid." Regrettably, the only luxurious parts of Nude Skincare products are the prices.
The endless parade of natural or organic product lines and their endless claims of how pure and healthy their products are is exhausting and more fiction than fact. Much like antiwrinkle and anti-aging claims, the hype and misleading information about natural ingredients appear time and time again. It is important to reiterate that there are good and bad ingredients in both the natural and the synthetic realms. Plus, labeling something "natural" doesn't mean it is. But of course that didn't stop Nude Skincare, a company that claims to be all natural, but isn't. Regardless, this line claims to be all you need for skin, which isn't true either.
One look at Nude Skincare products' ingredient lists make it abundantly clear that the ingredients in their products are not all natural. Like many cosmetics companies, Nude Skincare attempts to get around the synthetic aspects of their ingredients by putting the natural source of their chemical-sounding ingredients in parenthesis. Describing dicaprylyl ether or lauryl alcohol as coming from coconut doesn't mean you can take that ingredient and make a piña colada; those ingredients are not found in nature. We're not saying that those ingredients are bad for skin, but misleading claims don't add up to good skin care; what counts is what works on your skin. Of course, plants have a place in skin care, but they also have drawbacks, although the latter fact seems to fall on deaf ears among those converted to natural and among those fear mongers who love to make women afraid of anything synthetic. Ironically, however, Nude Skincare also includes several natural ingredients that, unfortunately, have published, peer-reviewed research showing that our skin is better off without them!
Other than the high prices and the sleek, modern packaging, one aspect of this brand that has captured consumer and media attention is the claim that Nude Skincare products contain prebiotics and probiotics (i.e., microorganisms) designed to normalize the microflora of skin. In a cosmetic, neither the prebiotics nor the probiotics will stay alive and they must be alive to have any impact, at least that's the case when they are digested (i.e., yoghurt has live strains of bacteria). What is more significant is the limited research showing that topical application of bacteria strains has any effect on skin, for better or worse. Nude Skincare claims they have conducted clinical trials that show these products were highly successful, but we were told they weren't available for review. The company wouldn't send us any information to verify their study, so we have no way of knowing the details of their clinical tests.
What we know so far (again, from limited research) is that topical application may reduce skin inflammation brought on by immune system disorders and help skin grafts on burned areas heal faster, but that was sourced from living strains, not applied in a cosmetic skin-care product (Sources: International Wound Journal, February 2009, pages 73–81; and Der Hautarzt, Epublication, August 6, 2006).
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BW-1681 Front Diffuser for 100x100cm Softbox
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BW-3595US Esprit Gemini 125, 125 Watt Second Monolight, 117 Volt
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BW-7676 Clear Glass for Ringflash Pro The Bowens Clear Glass Cover for Ringflash Pro acts as a safety shield for the flashtube and modeling of the unit. One is shipped with the unit; this is a replacement. |
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The Bowens QUADX 3000 latest generation of power-pack flash from Bowens sets new standards for studio lighting in today's digital world. With its precision controls and consistent light output, the QUADX is perfect for t ...
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BW-2600 10' Hi-Glide Support Rail (Pair) Includes End Stops
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BW-1270/A 1/8" Honeycomb for the Pioneer Flash Head
This Bowens Honeycomb is an accessory for the Pioneer BW-1268 Flash Head. It provides a more precise and direct light output. The 1/8" honeycomb allows a great amount of light to pass through, giving more contrast to ima ...
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BW-2520 Modeling Lamp for Mini Flash Head - 100 Watts/120 Volts This is a Bowens Modeling Lamp for the Mini Flash Head. It is 100 watts and designed for 120 AC voltage. It has an E11 mini Edison screw base, and its ANSI code is ESN. |
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AWGS207 Empty Dual Wing Cordura 35 Lb Sandbag with Zippers for Loading & Unloading
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BW-2155 Esprit Digital DX500, 500 Watt Second Monolight, 110-120 Volt AC, 60Hz.
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BW-2926 35mm Slide Holder for BW2931 Focus Spot
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Wein XL8D Micro Ultra Slave - H-Prong - for Digital Cameras
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BW-2650 Adjustable Girder Clamp for the Hi-Glide Rail System
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BW-7673 Flashtube Assembly for Ringflash Pro This is a Bowens Flashtube Assembly for Ringflash Pro. It installs easily, and with proper care should provide tens of thousands of flashes. |
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BW-1200 Pioneer S-70 Flash Head with Power Cable
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BW-2914 Fresnel 200, 200mm (8") Focusing Spot Attachment for the Digital Esprit Monolights or Quad / Duo Flash Heads
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Wein XL8E Micro Ultra Slave
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BW-1211 Pioneer S2 (SII) Portable Rechargeable Flash Kit
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Bowens BW1667
BW-1667 Replacement Internal Diffuser for 24x32" (60x80cm) Softbox This is a replacement Bowens Internal Diffuser for the 24 x 32" (60 x 80cm) Softbox. It adds extra diffusion and insures an even spread of light across the front diffuser of your softbox. |
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Bowens RD1600
RD1600 Cocoon Shooting Tent 70 - Medium - 17 x 20 x 27"
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Bowens BW4500US
BW-4500US SL455 Fluorescent Starter Kit - consists of: SL455 Fixture, Barndoor Set, 4 Fluorescent Tubes - 220 Total Watts (117-120VAC)
The Bowens SL455 Fluorescent Starter Kit features a robust, four-tube fixture tailored to meet the needs of both digital photographers and video studios. The dimmable, 5400�K easily replaceable lamps have a money-saving ...
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BW-4455 Honeycomb Grid for Intensifier Ends - 30 Degrees The Bowens 30� Honeycomb Grid screws onto the front of your StudioLite SL455 to minimize light spill. It is for use with Intensifier Ends (BW-4454), available separately. |


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Beauty in a class all its own! 100% Pure natural skincare products are made with pigments from fruits and vegetables along with nature's best all-natural ingredients. Packed full of antioxidants and organic nutrients, they are best described as "Health Food for the Skin!"
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Norway has a lot of interesting and beautiful areas for diving. From Lygnstøylsvatnet, a submerged village in the Sunnmøre Alps to Saltstraumen, the world's strongest maelstrom, from ice diving in Svalbard to wreck diving in the fjords or near Narvik, the options are many.
"Norway can be truly exotic for divers. You feel more like a real explorer, and less like an underwater tourist here. Diving in some parts of Norway is just the thing to get the adrenalin pumping", says Christian Skauge, editor of the Norwegian scuba diving magazine Dykking.
Norwegian waters usually offer superb visibility and many treasures. "You can choose between current diving, fantastic wall diving, wreck diving and more."
And it does not end here: Night diving and diving in kelp forests are also on the menu. If you want the ultimate indulgence you have to go up north above the Arctic Circle – to the Lofoten Islands – where you might get the chance to dive with the magnificent killer whales during the winter season.
Coastal currents run continually around the islands and fjords of Norway, pumping the nutrient-rich, deep Atlantic Ocean waters in among the maze of islands, creating the foundation for an intriguing marine world, where rich forests of kelp give way to reefs covered in bright orange corals.
Fish tend to be evident more in quantity than in variety, but do reach enormous sizes. There is the chance to spot and photograph interesting varieties such as the wolffish. Unless you prefer to dive with giant king crabs off the coast of Finnmark – and eat your catch for dinner.
The flow of the Gulf Stream reaches Norway, creating warmer temperatures than might otherwise be expected at this latitude. Nevertheless, dry suits are recommended although a semi-dry suit may suffice in summer.
Most diving centres offer diving equipment rental, including compressors and air supply, and some have guided boat trips to selected diving spots too.The Norwegian Diving Association is first and foremost an organisation for Norwegian members, but they can provide further information on legislation and rules regarding diving in Norway, as well as information on safety. They also have a list of approved diving schools, and information on related activities such as filming underwater, underwater heritage, marine biology and more.
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Gonzalo Higuaín talks about his older brother, Federico
Real Madrid forward Gonzalo Higuaín, brother of newly-signed Designated Player Federico Higuaín, took the time to talk to MLSsoccer.com while Los Blancos tour the U.S. ahead of their upcoming La Liga campaign. Skip ahead to the 1:30 mark where Gonzalo is asked about his older brother coming to MLS (translation below).
Have you had the chance to talk to your brother Federico Higuain? He was recently signed by an MLS team, the Columbus Crew. Have you had a chance to talk to him about this chance that he has in the USA? And what is your personal opinion of soccer here?
Yes, I talked to him. He asked me about the US, the city I'm in right now, the team we are playing. He wants to know because it's a new league for him. I am very happy because it's a change for good, and I hope he can do things the best way. I saw him very excited, I hope things go well for him because if he's doing well, so are we (referring to his family).