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A non-functioning Pakistan is potentially the worst news for Asia, Middle East and UK/USA. Culturally and ethnically Pakistan is a heady mix, and it is quite possible that this will prove too much to be steam-rollered by any mono-culturalist theology. One just hopes that the interested powers - USA, China, India, Saudi, Iran and Israel- stop manipulating or plotting to get leverage. Will Pakistan get over the humps of militarism, Pashtoon-tribal bonds, corruption and anti-democratic forces and begin to cleanse the militant terrorist footprint? One has to hope it does, for the cost of failure will be high and not just for the Pakistanis. The West should stop seeing this as a theatre of war or eulogising and hating in turn, "the noble savages" and spend money on education to counter-act the Saudi financed madrassa wave.
Remember Turkish Madrassas Cadets over runing Europe,keepers of Kabba yet betrayed by Arabs.
Not far fetched an alliance branded Turkfarus as renaissance of new Ottoman power?
Iran becoming Nuclear overnight without a bomb.Beware,learn Persian but master Hebrew though.
Pakistan and India aren't going anywhere economically without resolving the conflict. India's growth is temporary. Your lower middle class will give you trouble if you don't stop millitary spending soon. Who wants to invade India proper? no one is interested. Just hlding on to Kashmir doesn't require a nuclear sub and 10 billion dollars worth of jets. You could easily hold Pakistan in check with domestically produced weapons. Use your own weapons and give jobs to the poor instead of importing weapons and telling Pakistan what to do. Let Pakistan to its own fate.
India's conflict with Pakistan has always affected Pakistan but not India.
Pakistan has no chance of standing in an intense war for more than a month, so the Indian economy goes untouched.
No one is interested to invade India proper? All most all the terror attacks happen in the India proper. There is no open threat to India proper because of the military might which can only be challenged by China in the whole of Asia.
The cities under threat in the India proper are MUMBAI, BANGALORE, NEW DELHI, KOLKATA, CHENNI etc.
The lower middle class in India are growing to the upper middle class and are mostly receiving compulsory education unlike Pakistan where the growing youth are mostly uneducated and financially backward.
Kashmir dispute is not the focus of any military upgrade, the real issue is the India's Arunachal Predesh conflict with China.
Its not only a territorial dispute between India and China, but has extended to oil dispute in the south-China sea, Aksai Chin mountain range in the Kashmir region, economic competition between these two countries is huge(though both differ in their economies there is a race to the superpower ambition), there is religious dispute as well because China has the largest Buddhist population yet India was announced the center for Buddhism, rivals in the UNO as well, ideological differences and opposing Allies also contribute.
So Pakistan is not worth comparing with India. The real picture is India and China's rivalry. India is doing all its military upgrades so that its can take on a China just in case there is a military conflict with China. Pakistan? who care about it.
Indian society may be backward but India is no poor country, its the fourth largest economy in the planet and is expected to race japan within a decade to acquire the 3rd place.
So if you are comparing India with Pakistan then either you must be overestimating Pakistan's position or being ignorant of India's position or just ill informed.
You look so off colour lately, must have proper daily Bhoojan,feed the starving first, before worrying about MUMBAI,BANGLORE,NEWDEHLI,KOLKATA,CHENNI.
Maoist-Naxalites HQ,already....
I don't compare Pakistan and India millitrily or economically. This is one of the first times I've commented on Indian internal matters. I restrict myself to commenting on the conflict between the two countries.
I fail to see India's quest for superpower status without going through the intermediate stages.China has taken whatever it wanted to take from India, and she can take more if she wants to. Aksai Chin is a very feeble excuse in the face of statistics like these:
"Despite growing investment in education, 25% of its population is still illiterate; only 15% of Indian students reach high school, and just 7%, of the 15% who make it to high school, graduate.[5] As of 2008, India's post-secondary high schools offer only enough seats for 7% of India's college-age population, 25% of teaching positions nationwide are vacant, and 57% of college professors lack either a master's or PhD degree.[6]"" Wikipedia,
You want to have a millitary to beat China? China can beat India now, tomorrow, or any other time. Indians don't have the stomachs to get into a Korean style conflict. If the appetite isn't there, why the rhetoric? India has nuclear weapons, isn't that enough of a defence? You Indians have a Bollywood attitude, believing in cosmetics and stage dressings... you're just robbing the poor to cast a false immage of power and wealth. And then all the excuses....well, we're doing everything... education is cumpulsory...we've put an end to the caste system.. we've done this and done that and we're going to be like Americans in 20 years time..
darling you have electricity again!
1.India has been growing at atleat 6% pa or greater for the past 30 years.In which way this is 'temporary'?
2.Even at 6% pa (Currently we are at 7%) we will be the world's third largest economy by 2020 as opposed to Pakistan's which is not even in the top 50(nominal not PPP).
3.Our nuclear sub is built in India as will all but 18 of the 126 Rafale jets ordered so this is a bit different from you buying F-16s.Not to mention significant transfer of technology.So relax there will be plenty of jobs for the poor and not so poor.
4.The Kashmir conflict is the open wound which bleeds Pakistan white.We on the other hand spend the equivalent of pocket change keeping it from Pakistan.
"We on the other hand spend the equaivalent of pocket change keeping it from Pakistan."
Really, may be you have imported Chinese cat to catch rats, too,as for tech transfer?
No wonder,Dr M M singh,your perdhan mantry,going sleepless to square books of National Statistics with pocket change.
Talents scouts missed you again,Dr M M Singh to take note, without fail.
Inshai! Surprised to see you again. Apparently you haven't received enough. Very well.
Imported Chinese cats? Are you referring to yourself? :D
Look at the poverty in India. Fix your problem, listening to the Goras and their heady flattery will keep you as perpetual banyas.
You, sir, are a perfect example of someone who's thoroughly lacking education.
First - your arguments are neither on-topic nor logical.
Second - your english is atrocious.
Thank you but I have 3 meals and 2 snacks a day. I'm well fed and my family feeds a few slum dwellers occasionally. I cannot have more of bhojan.
Well MUMBAI,BANGLORE,NEWDEHLI,KOLKATA, CHENNAI, KOLKATA are the cities that are feeding the starving, so I have to worry about them.
KOLKATA is no Naxal HQ. You must be insane to even think of that.
Your statistics are hopeless.
68.38% of Indians hold at lest a degree.
every year 350,000 engineers pass out in India.
Literacy count is based on primary education and most of the Indians get primary education but some of them may fail to make it to the higher education.
When the wiki report was posted there were only about 2000 eng colleges and 1050 MBA colleges but now there are an additional 861 engineering colleges and totally 1600 MBA universities.
I saw the Wikipedia page and at the top of it was written
" This page is outdated pleas update it"
Please read before posting
Fan of Times of India,was reported therein.
Excellent keep it up,love thali.....
Nope I relay on Internet blogs and mainly the BBC, CNN, CNBC and other sources.
What ever I post is usually correct because I verify it in multiple locations.
And if the economist blogs about Bollywood I surely would refer Times of India.
"Moreover, Pakistan borders the world's two fastest-growing big economies, China and India".
Only China will fit that category going forward. Balochistan is being developed by Pakistan with China's help. Indians will soon be evicted from Afghanistan and they will lose all leverage in West Asia.
Forget even China. The spotlight is on Pakistan now, who is set to race past every other country at breakneck speed.
Don't forget to fasten your seatbelt.
Pakistan will make it. We always do.
Sure, U even made a Bangladesh
We will help you make a Baluchistan.
oil your gates. hot dogs are coming
No doubt,already made it ,living and dying for the Land of Indus,go for Hajj to prove that every Pakmuslim share blood group with Noor Jahan,Jahnsi Ki Raani.....
Inshai, Dont try to raise your peanut here !!
Try the hotdog. November will share it with you
Make that beef steaks.
Ya sure,You'l make it to another military rule and another economic collapse and another terror habitat.
Good going and keep going.
Yes every Pakmuslim descended from Jhansi Ki Rani just as you descended from Kim Jong IL
"Pakistan will make it. We always do"
Make what exactly? Another crisis?
You dont have wits LandOfIndus.
November is boasting of an uncappped hotdog. Now you are telling us that he he has a flattened beefcake.
Who bashed it !!!
Bangladesh declined to merge with Mother India.
Bangladesh was never persuaded to join India.
It was liberated and left alone.
Another base less statement.
Rulers of Pakistan should develop extensive trade with India and China. Pakistan is yet to reciprocate India's gesture in conferring upon her the MFN status. India made that gesture many years, if not decades, ago. Pak. army Generals are yet to agree on the reciprocation. "Come on Feudal Generals, show some decency and reciprocate."
Pakistan has good entrepreneurial people. After all, a section of the Hindu Baniyas converted to Islam during the Moghul rule, wishing to benenfit from special favours of the Muslim rulers in Lahore and Delhi.
So if India's business community can propel the country upwards, so can Pakistan's.
In fact, some scholars think that anything India can do Pakistan can do also, except winning military campaigns against India.
Some of these scholars may also be right in thinking that Pakistanis are, from many angles, Indians with Arabic names and a virulent strain of the virus called religion.
Even President Zirdari said once, "There is an Indian in every Pakistani and a Pakistani in every Indian."
There is a degree of truth in that statement. I only realised it after I rented rooms from a Hindu Punjabi land lord in New Delhi.
I propose to ask Ms. Veena Malik for her opinion of Zirdari's statement. She may agree with him. Adnan Sami already has.
So, I await Pakistan's economy registering a growth rate of 10 to 12% per annum.
You are wrong Indica
There is no such concept as 'Pakistani'. Just a crowd on the far side of Indus. And they never won any campaign against anyone. Just got overran and converted. Blood in their veins is still Hindu, brain though is misaligned to Arabia.
Adnan Sami can make money by singing in Punjabi marriages. Zardari can run a business of supplying tents and catering for the same.
Veena Malik is honest. She kept her name true to her blood. She even shed her clothes in a professional photo-shoot and unlike Pakistani generals in a Sheikhs harem
Guess who was overrun 1,000 years ago? Delhi was the capital of which empire?
1,000 years ago, the Turks, Afghans and Persians 'over ran' Northern India, gradually over a few centuries. Your ancestors fought them well.
Most of you lot cannot claim any DNA links to those Turks, Afghans and Persians.
You are the descendants of the defeated, and perhaps, the meek.
Check what the majority of historians have to say on this.
So India was overrun. We are happy about it, as we were 'liberated' from Brahmin caste fascism. Two Nation Theory works. Central/South India also have a large Muslim population. Without getting overrun.
Well Mr. HinduKafir! with all due respect this crowd on the far side of Indus has ruled you for well over a thousand years. And they have won every campaign they have ever undertaken and have repulsed every undertaken against them. its just that we are not interested in India anymore.
Leaving only a few, most comments here are childish. Neither of us, India and Pakistan, will ever be brainless enough to invade each other. As far the MNF status for India is concerned, it has never been an issue in Pakistan, nor, I am sure, has it ever been in India. We sincerely want a peaceful resolution of all disputes with India through a dialogue acceptable to the people of both countries for they are the ones who really matter.
Well for all the History presented, its not complete. I mean no story is complete without the ending right.
Gazni undefeated for 17 invasions was defeated by 'Bheem Dev Solanki' at Somnathpur.
Ghori the first Indian Muslim ruler was shot with an arrow by a blind king called Prithviraj Chowhan.
The great moguls : Humayun was defeated and chased off to turkey by Sher Shah Suri and Aurangzeb was defeated by Shivaji.
Moreover All of these invaders were Arab origin, non of the Pakis are Arab rather you are considered impure and Arabs don't accept you beeing Islamic, so sorry to say this all the history you gave do not belong to you
Again With all due respect, I do not want to prolong the argument, for history is not a perfect science. You can prove anything by quoting the same book of history. But again, non of the Kings or Sultans of Dehli, except the Sayyeds, were Arabs. They were either Turks or Pushtuns. You mentioned Sher Shah. He was a Pushtun of our Sur tribe. Descendents of Ghori still live around Peshawar and so do the descendants of the rest of the invaders that you have mentioned or have not. Pakistani Nation is made up of all of those and many more. And the argument that Arabs donot accept us being Islamic has no consequence, for, to begin with, that is not true. And also No Muslim, or follower of any religion for that matter, cares what do other races of the same faith think.
But if you think there is no such thing as a Pakistani Nation, well think whatever you like.
But again, lets not live in history and concentrate on the present and future. And by the way we do not hate India or Indians. I am surprised to see the amount of hatred that you are showing for us.
British India!
Shar Sha was not a Pushtu, he was a Pathan.
Descendants of kings might live now that does not mean anything at all.
It is not what I think that matters right. Well I'll give you proof from the Quran.
these are references in the Quran which limits itself to Arabic
XIII.37, XVI.103, XX.113, XXVI.192 to XXVI.195, XXXIX.28, XLI.3, XLI.44, XLII.7, XLIII.3, XLVI.12
more so the ides 'Dar'ul-Islam'(the world of Islam) limits it to Hizaz(the region of Mecca and Madina)
Chapter XIV verse 4 (HQ,620) specifies
||we sent not an apostle||
||except in the language ||
||of his own people, in order to||
||make things clear to them||
I don't think that any school or any other sources in Pakistan or Afghanistan would have thought this or at least translated it to you.
So now you have to choose..... is Quran the truth or your belief..
If you say that the Quran is the truth then Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan is just a mask and not a religion.
If otherwise you say that your faith is true then it means that you do not follow the Quran and that concludes the same, that Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan is not a religion described by the Quran.
Again with all due respect! Its hardly worth prolonging the argument with you sir, for you know so little about us. So little that you dont even know there is absolutely no difference between Pushtuns, Pukhtuns and/or Patthans. They are one and the same race and I myself am one of them. Pathan is an Indian variation of the word Pushtun or Pukhtun. So Good Bye and Take Care.
I'm not going to let you go so easily.
you did not reply to how you are a Muslim at all.
I have given proof from your own ultimate book the "Quran" that Islam doesn't accept you.
Again, you know so little about us!
Please!! give me a break.
That is not the answer I prefer. You show escapism, I prefer a reply.
It has been a cold winter with lots of snow fall (and still falling). Glaciers are well piled
By all indicators Monsoon will be generous too.
So some time between July - September, lets review the situation in Pakistan.
Indus is the only hope for Pakistan to wash it away (and its sins). I hope floodgates are properly oiled on the Indian side.
Oiled floodgates!!! have some shameman! those Pakistani missiles are getting revved up!
My good Friend (November) is back
Come On November. You can do better. We love your missiles. At least they are capped !!!
Very interesting!
I have always maintained that the loss of ice cover in the arctic will means lots more snow in the Himalayas. And that means bigger spring/summer floods.
So, come summer and a bigger, wetter monsoon courtesy of increased tropical solar insolation and climate change, will 2012 bring even worse floods than 2011, which were even worse than 2010 (and 2011 wasn't reported on much in the West.
There is only one answer to what looks like perennial ever-worsening floods down the Indus. Everyone with an interest (Kashmir, Pakistan, India, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, China) must get round the table and cooperate before it all becomes a tragedy.
Last time the Indus Valley saw conditions like this the summer floods were hugely worse than now. That was about 10-8,000 years ago.
Our interest in releasing more water down the Indus. Negotiations can wait. Like they have waited 65 years on KAshmir
Surely that's not in India's interest? Don't you want access to that water? It starts in India (and Tibet) after all. Don't you want access to the electricity you can generate as you manage the water? And what about the Chinese? They could dam it all themselves - and have all the electricity themselves.
Given the dreadful way both India and Pakistan have used their bits of Kashmir surely the only answer is to let a united Kashmir be independent. Then both India and Pakistan will have to cosy up to the new country if they are going to get the water/electricity they need. Such a settlement on Kashmir would need not only Indian and Pakistani agreement, but Chinese also. And then there are the earthquakes, which need to be both anticipated and, where possible, mitigated. Only the Americans have any real expertise here. So they have an interest too.
In fact the whole North Western Himalaya complex has an interest, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, even Afghanistan. Central Asia, a potential breadbasket for a burgeoning World population, too.
Of course things could continue as they are with hatred being stirred up on both sides. Two nuclear powers who, if they start throwing their bombs about could cause a billion deaths worldwide in the following nuclear winter. Long before that happens the entire globalised economy would be thrown into chaos, causing many more deaths even than that. How many people on the planet could survive if we were all reduced to hunter-gatherers overnight?
All this Indo-Pakistani hostility is an indulgence the planet cannot afford.
Blue Asgard
Like an average Pakistani , you live in the world of Cons[iracy theory
No one on this planet gives a damn to Chinese, , pakistani or Indian lifes.
Wake up and realize that Planet can afford Indo Pak hostility, at best planet is indifferent. Can NAPAQistan afford it. If yes, we are happy to continue. 65 year is not enough.
Lets welcome the monsoons
Conspiracy theory? Really????
Try:Robock, A. Toon O.B "Local Nuclear War, Global Suffering" Scientific American, January 2010 pp 74-81.
Their predictions: All-out nuclear was between India and Pakistan with 2010 nuclear arsenals will cause 20 million deaths locally, ! billion deaths worldwide in subsequent nuclear winter.
The authors comment: "Some people think that the nuclear winter theory developed in the 1980s was discredited. And they may therefore raise their eyebrows at our new assertion that a regional nuclear war, like one between India and Pakistan, could also devastate agriculture worldwide. But the original theory was thoroughly validated. The science behind it was supported by investigations from the National Academy of Sciences, by studies sponsored within the U.S. military, and by the International Council of Scientific Unions, which included representatives from 74 national academies of science and other scientific bodies. "
If you choose to disagree, do the numbers. The burden of (dis)proof is on you now.
Releasing more water through the dam will generate more electricity. According to norms India can use only a specific amount of water, so well we are happy to release all, the excess water and flood the Pakis.
And Indus does not flow through Tibet
Why attack or bring a regime change in Iran when it is reasonable to do so in Pakistan, instead. Pakistan is the most dangerous State on the planet. How? The 9/11 attack, the LOndon bombing, the Spain-Madrid train bombing, the Mumbai bombing...all originated in/from Pakistan. The attackers were trained there, too, and it is the Pakistan from where extremism, fundamentalism and terrrorism and terrorists get exported to other countries on the planet. Having such an unstable government while being armed with nuclear weapons - if those WMD weapons get into the hands of terrorist groups such Haqqani, Jungawi, Lashakr Taiyeba, Taliban...and all - that have close ties with Al-Qaeda, then that will be a serious threat for the West.
It seems hardly likely that the Madrid bombings in Spain had any links to Pakistan since they were carried out by Moroccans . The Moroccan secret services actually tracked the terrorists down to a villa in northern Morocco and after a long fire-fight ensued, the terrorist were either captured, killed or blew themselves up. Please do your research!
For Pakistan to be a great country, it is imperative that it should shun AAA (America, Arm and Allah)!!!
Best wishes
Kishore Nair from Mumbai
...Also India should shun America and arms and might against its contiguous states....refrain mulling to use nukes against China. Pakistan is not heather state to sun Allah. Any way!
Yes ,well painted,Pakistan is not heathen state to sun Allah.
Much could have been said about this fractious Indian states fraught with insurgencies by the Maoist,Naxalites....but less is more than more,MehdiDhiraj,in your rebuttal.
Why do you think we have bought arms from Russia, Israle, Brazil, France....India is truly non-aligned
Inshai, please read it 'shun' not sun.
Great article. Especially like the part where the Pakistani business guy attempts a cable car narrative vis-a-vis his country. It is the perfect example of a leading you around the garden path story as often encountered personally. Cracked me up good.
The truth is though, ever since its conception Pakistan has owed its continued existence to a strong military grip, that which once relinquished could raise the spectre of ethnic separatism that could spell the possible disintegration of the Pakistani state as we now know it. The military brass would never let that happen.
But for Pakistan to realise its full potential, civilian rule has to take a much more central stage and be allowed to flex its full functional muscle without undue martial interference. Interference which more often than not only serves to promote more security doubts (Benazir Bhutto's assassination and harbouring of freewheeling Taliban within its borders) and turmoil, ingredients of major turn off for any potential investors.
Pakistan can only begin to thrive when its military relinquish its strangling hold and influence on matters and ONLY do what it is supposed to do. But for that to happen would almost be like expecting Homer Simpson to go on a slim down program and stop eating donuts.
The article's presumption, "Pakistan has a lot going for it" was not been backed up by any facts.
(There is nothing promising about a 16th century economy and a feudal society run by its military)
TS2912, you are right, what happen is that the leftloonie messure countries by the amount of consumers it has.
Pakistan is a country of 177 million people. As you can see, yes, Pakistan has a lot going for it. 177 million reasons.
I had to check that this article was not written by the Pakistani Promotional Board, it unfortunately paints a picture that does demonstrate just what a failed nation this is! The state was founded on premise that a country based entirely on a faith would progress, has it? I think not and despite having no one else to blame but themselves they see devils everywhere. Look in a mirror - there is the problem.
Pakistan (translated as "pure place") was created based on Islam. Once all the non-Muslims were thrown out/murdered (and everyone living there was a Muslim), they 'discovered' that the Punjabis and Pushtuns were superior, the Sindhis one level lower and Bengalis and Mojahirs were completely inferior (and all the other ethnic groups somewhere in the mix, these levels being determined by skin color and fighting ability).
And they have been murdering each other since (the most significant being the genocide of half a million Bengalis in 1971).
177 million ways to go wrong :)
Once for a longer period the capitalists and feudal lords clung the control of Pakistan and used military to keep the general mass away from politics to have their interests unscathed. Now it kicks back. Lurching toward own interests the Pakistan military branded the Pakistani politicians (mostly rich people) as venal. Generals trade with the US. It seems the path is clear for Pakistan to utilize its opportunities by implicating the people in the body politic which would made them to think the state is for them. Consciousness and patriotism would be invigorated; so that aberration to militancy, Islamism, al-Quida and more will expected to be dissuaded. The feudalistic and rich politicians and the starred Generals are contending each other keeping the common mass away which seems difficult to extricate from abject economy and smarting from the recent scorn by the US. Those Pakistani tycoons are held responsible who had made military as the 'juggernaut setback'.
First can you please take a deep breath, turn off the Caps?
Is all CAPS a typographic error or do you believe your thoughts are
more impressive the larger print type you use?
Yes, it is a typographic error.
"Bastion of moderation" is a sobriquet Pakistan has been steadily moving away from since the 80s, starting from General Zia.
The idea of Pakistan that has been adopted by the polity and the public there is itself faulty. It sees itself as a fortress of Islam, born for protecting the religion and its adherents from infidels and increasingly, from their influences. This thought stalks the national psyche and keeps manifesting itself in one form or the other from time to time.
If only there were someone charismatic enough to convince people that a modern, secular, democratic and Muslim majority Pakistan is not only possible but is actually an imperative idea.
Psssshhh. You obviously didn't get the memo. Nothing says "moderate" and "tolerant" like a bunch of political/religious assassinations.
By definition China has been a dysfunctional for millenniums,acquired nuclear fire power that prompted India for me too effect.....
Why single out Pakistan?
Any cornered animal will use all that nature has endowed for its self preservation.Nation States no different,nuclear or otherwise.
Nation States are not like multinational,dysfunctional or otherwise, like BP,IMF.... or credit rating agencies,the bogus Standard and poor and others for example,awarding , benchmarking financial health checks,fraudulent agencies to bully smaller nations.
All dreamt up after WW2 by the USA including dysfunctional United Nations,embarrassing sorethumb for decades,global mafia club.
In real world, western capitalism,democracy,education,health system,social security,banks,bankers... are all part of the same carnival wearing proverbial kings clothes.
Labelling Somalia,Sudan,Yemen as dysfunctional,disfunctional,failed,dying,dead,non-existant is sign of intllectual bankruptcy of a braying donkey loaded with books only good at back kicks nothing else..egoist brat at worst.
I hope Pakistanis think the same way as you do; I very much like to see a country that I have no ties with suffer, makes for better news.
Smell like crocodile egg,unhatched, eaten up by the Herons....
"....very much like to see a country....no ties with suffer,makes for better news"
Hazard a guess,inmate of an Institution? making up time?
If no ties with Pakistan, could do better to buy an incubator,hence Curate's Egg is the news.
This article by the BBC's M Ilyas Khan is an eye opener on how the army manages the media in Pakistan:
Consider this almost casually bone-chilling sentence:
"I did get summoned to the ISI's offices in Peshawar in 2002 where an official took down the details of my family and offered me a polite cup of tea."
If Ossama bin Ladin was regarded as a national treasure and model citizen, then perhaps Pakistan morals and sensibilities are out of line with the rest of the world.
Pakistan is a dysfunctional state no different than Somalia, Yemen and Sudan. But it is the only one with nuclear weapons. And unfortunately seems happy to use them.
No. Pakistan is not happy to use nuclear weapons. It hasn't so far.
This distinction belongs to USA.Ask Japanese.
It's a vindictive sense against a country. Malicious thoughts of international politics.
The USA used nuclear weapons against the Japanese, because the Japanese leader stated publicly that they would continue the war with America, even though Germany had been defeated.
The USA had just developed a nuclear bomb, for the sole reason of ending this world war, and mainly its need to avoid losing its own troops fighting in it.
Most of the knowledge of the negative after effects of a nuclear weapon, come from studying the results of these bombs. Theory can only be proved with evidence, this is the difference between a theory and a proven theory.
What we know now, given the amount of time that has passed, about the after effects of a nuclear explosion, was not known in such detail before they had been used.
Please could you clarify what you have stated.? I do not understand what you mean by a "vindictive sense", I think you mean negative comments about Pakistan, though please correct me if I am wrong.
I also do not understand your next comment. Which "malicious thoughts of international politics" are you referring to? Is this a reference to your interpretation of the border dispute between China, India and Pakistan?
You must have an IQ to devise your penname by leafing a dictionary of English,hopefully.
Are MehdiDhiraj's plain words beyond you? Know Thyself first.
My name is a random one generated from the Economist web site. Your comment does show that your IQ is in question, not mine, as you did not realise this.
MehdiDhiraj's comments are not plain, clear or understandable, hence my polite request for clarification.
Equally, your comment "Know Thyself first" is meaningless and inappropriate, especially after your previous comment.
MehdiDhiraj - Please could you answer my previous question, as I would like to understand clearly what you are referring to, and so what you mean.
Ok,but randomly generated digits are not really random,as my professor advised....
May be you are right to query..follow your post godspeed.
I am not so learned to correct you. But I hope you would consider the following facts:
Usama bin Laden couldn't have been a national treasure of any country. He was a fugitive cave dweller in Afghanistan terrorized the US using militant tactics. US Navy operations in Abottabad have not been authenticated by live evidence in public. All the live witnesses died in a chopper crush said to be caused by Taliban attack. Merely some NATO ally foisted the operation. Pakistan bears the blemish like a clod pole. It might have been the political conundrum to end the Afghan war. Pakistan won't be contrasted with any pirate state as it fought against militancy with the US. Pakistan might have collusion with Taliban as any measure to defend country against India, their arch rival with which the US embraced. Also from now on the US administration doesn't feel Talibans are violent threat for them. It's true military-militancy-civil-judiciary made Pakistan dysfunctional.
However, I don't be nugatory or emotional on political/international affairs. Rather try to remain candid and fair to look into authentication of information. I am happy to exchange views with you.
Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your response, though it does raise some additional questions.
I understand your comments, though I have to ask about the fact that Usama Bin Laden, was living comfortably in Pakistan, not hiding in Afghanistan. The Pakistani government were not told by the US about their attempt to capture/kill Usama Bin Laden.
This would lead me to believe, that the US did not trust their Pakistani contacts completely, hence the raid without their knowledge or consent. This makes me question your statement "Pakistan bears the blemish like a clod pole", when it seems to be that some elements of the Pakistani army and political system were supporting him for some time.
This fact makes me question your view that Pakistan is so innocent, as he was not hiding in caves in Afghanistan. he was living comfortably in Pakistan. I do not know how long he was in Pakistan, but that would explain why the US could not find him in Afghanistan, despite searching for many years with the most well equipped hunters on the planet.
I would like to hear your interpretation of these facts, as it does question your reasoning very strongly. Also, I would also like to know why you state India as your arch-rival. Do you mean this as a competitor in the commercial and industrial sector? Could you explain what you mean when you say India is an arch-rival. If you do mean in the commercial and industrial sectors, then Pakistan will need to address its own internal governance and productivity, to be a better competitor.
Once again, thank you for your response, and I look forward to hearing your reply.
India is not my/our rival, Pakistan's. The US find bin Laden in Pakistan, is in question. You look for answer anywhere else.
Firstly, apologies for my late reply.
I did not realise that Bin Laden's location was in question. On what basis do you make this claim? All of the immediate reports, through respected news agencies, of his killing stated that he was killed in Pakistan. Please could you inform me as to which news agency contests this issue?
Again you have provided an incomplete reply. I understand the point you are repeatedly trying to make, but they are just your statements. The Economist reported his killing and has not issued a retraction, or update to say it was not in Pakistan.
Also, I do not understand why you say that India is Pakistan's rival. It outperforms Pakistan economically, and so they do not really compete with each other. Do you mean rival as in military force? Or do you mean with social issues?
Please could you provides some sources for your information? As it seems I am not getting the full story, and I would like to know where I can research the issues you raise.
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As you know, JUSTIN BIEBER and MILEY CYRUS were spotted hanging out in L.A. on Saturday night . . . so obviously, the rumors are flying. But during a radio interview, Miley said she's NOT with Justin because she's ENGAGED. She also addressed recent attacks against her by AMANDA BYNES, saying, quote, "I was rooting for her comeback until she started attacking me."
A 24-year-old model named LEYLA GHOBADI has come forward with allegations that she had sex with KANYE WEST twice . . . WHILE he was with KIM KARDASHIAN. The last time was October, when Kim was already pregnant. Of course, Kanye's rep calls the charges, quote, "totally without merit" and "a sad attempt to hurt two people trying to live their lives."
Just so you know, Halle Berry and fiancé Olivier Martinez are having a boy. Halle is expected to deliver sometime this fall.
We're not sure why it took this long, but it looks like 'Teen Mom' star porn vixen Farrah Abraham is about to take on a new role -- in the bedroom of Charlie Sheen. Farrah wouldn't come right out and name Sheen directly, but she gave In Touch a little hint about the identity of the celeb she says she's been chatting with. She says, "I think if I gave you some clues, you would guess it. He has been married, lives in L.A., and he basically was like the main character of a show, then left and they replaced him with Ashton Kutcher."
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KATE UPTON turned 21 on Monday . . . and sources say she celebrated with "Dancing With the Stars" stud MAKSIM CHMERKOVSKIY. Sources say they seeing each other recently . . . quote, "It's very new. They were set up through friends. They just started dating." Kate's people say they're JUST FRIENDS . . . and Maksim's rep refused to comment.
Oprah Winfrey is giving away a few millions for a good cause. She's pledged $12 million to the new National Museum of African American History and Culture on Washington's National Mall. It will be the 19th of the Smithsonian museums.
According to TMZ, Justin Bieber partied with Miley Cyrus at an L.A. hotspot this weekend. The two did some flirting and then left the place together around two in the morning. Later that morning, Justin's car was spotted leaving Miley's house.
AMANDA BYNES' longtime friend DRAKE BELL says she's FINE . . . quote, "I talk to her every day. She's a sweetheart. I had lunch with her yesterday, and she's brilliant. She's good, and she's healthy. Amanda is a beautiful, artistic, funny soul." He adds that she's just, quote, "a girl who is finding herself."
DRAKE BELL might say she's sane, but AMANDA BYNES is still acting like a crazy woman. Yesterday, she Tweeted a picture of her dad, along with the caption, "Haha look at how ugly my dad's face is!"
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These days everyone's talking about how much the government may be spying on us . . . but SHIA LABEOUF KNEW IT FIRST. Back in 2008, he was on the "Tonight Show" to hype his movie "Eagle Eye". And he said that an FBI consultant on the film told him one in five phone calls made are recorded and logged. Shia said, quote, "And I laughed at him. And then he played back a phone conversation I'd had two years prior to joining the picture . . . It's extremely creepy."
Former NFL star CHAD JOHNSON got arrested in the middle of a court hearing after he playfully slapped his male attorney on the backside. The judge was not amused. She refused to accept a plea deal that she was just about to sign off on, telling Chad, quote, "I don't know that you're taking this whole thing seriously."
Beyonce was photographed with her one-year-old daughter, Blue Ivy, in a hot tub and then posted the picture on tumblr. The picture posted of a sleeping Blue Ivy clinging to her mother's bosom may have gotten a lot of oohs and awws from her fans but now the backlash has begun because children under five years old are never supposed to be in a hot tub due to too much heat exposure.
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ELIN NORDEGREN has MILLIONS of dollars and a new man. You'd think she's moved on. But maybe she hasn't. According to "Us Weekly", she still has a lot of anger when it comes to TIGER WOODS. A source says, quote, "She hates LINDSEY VONN and everything about this romance." She's also, quote, "angry Tiger even has visitation rights with the kids."
Reddit users have come up with their own list of the 100 hottest women in the world, and MILA KUNIS won by a landslide. She was followed by Scarlett Johansson, Jennifer Lawrence, Olivia Wilde and Alison Brie.
JUSTIN BIEBER tried to sneak into a Hollywood nightclub through a back door on Saturday night, but he got kicked out after rapper GAME gave him a shout-out from the stage . . . which alerted security to his presence. A source says, quote, "Security saw him and escorted him out immediately. He left right away, he seemed really embarrassed."
Tabloid sources say that Lindsay Lohan has written letters to friends and ex-boyfriends, trying to explain herself and make peace. One of her friends said, "Lindsay's working through a lot of stuff, and she had an overwhelming urge to write to these people and explain herself. But she always does this when she's in trouble. It's like she's trying to find closure."
Jessica Simpson has been hit with a bizarre lawsuit that accuses her of stealing a stranger's baby -- for a photo shoot! The suit was filed by a man who claims that Jess, then pregnant for the first time, asked to hold his infant son at a department store meet and greet. When he agreed, a photographer whipped out his camera and began clicking away, snapping pics that would later end up on the cover of OK! magazine -- identified as the first pics of Simpson's then-unborn baby. Christopher Hurst is suing Jessica and the mag for damages totaling $75,000, according to TMZ.
6/7/13 Kanye & Kim Splitsville?
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DR. CONRAD MURRAY . . . who's currently in jail for killing MICHAEL JACKSON . . . sent Michael's daughter PARIS a message from prison. He said, quote, "I wanted you to know I'm here for you. I've never been gone. I always will be available to listen to you, answer your questions, or to share with you the plethora of beautiful and savored untold stories of your father, as well as his venerable thoughts of you that he shared with me."
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Last year I welcomed the rattling death knell of several of my least favorite design elements and facets of technology. Some of them have died already, some are dying, and a couple have been recently diagnosed as "terminal." Looking forward, I think their diminishing presence will make 2014 a better year for experience design.
1. The Drop-Down Menu
Drop-down menus have been a cornerstone of user interfaces since the dawn of the Internet. Countless sites continue to use hover state drop-down lists as a critical piece of navigation, but as trends shift toward fully responsive, device-agnostic design, there won't continue to be simple drop-down menus.
In its current form, the drop-down menu cannot function on platforms where the concept of a "hover state" doesn't exist (on tablets and phones). As the "mobile first" movement continues gaining traction, click-based navigation, such as the use of a "hamburger button" to nest an entire site's navigation in a clickable list, will become more prevalent.
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Praise the Internet gods! Major Internet corporations now phase out older versions of Internet Explorer far more quickly than before. Remember, just a few years ago we had to dumb down user experiences just to ensure compatibility with IE6. Even worse, the years that went by before we no longer had to support it. Fast forward to present day, where major players like Google and Facebook are embracing standards-based innovation, forcing Microsoft to either do the same or get left behind.
Praise the Internet gods! [We] now phase out older versions of Internet Explorer far more quickly
The old "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" philosophy hasn't really helped in the browser war. IE continues to lose browser market share to Chrome and will continue to lose ground if Microsoft cannot keep up with the beautiful innovations present in Chrome, Firefox, and even Safari. In November 2013, Google announced that it will stop supporting IE9, which usually signals that the rest of the UX community will soon follow suit. This is great for the future, because your UX can only be as strong as your weakest link. Catering to ancient IE versions always ensures Microsoft's browser costs you the ability to innovate.
4. Skeuomorphism
A hot topic with design nerds, the skeuomorphism vs. flat design debate raged all of last year and will likely continue into 2014. Arguably, Apple has been the biggest proponent of skeumorphism through their iOS design choices and their historical majority of users over other mobile systems (prior to 2013), whereas Google has championed flat design for years. As Android market share increased dramatically—and with Microsoft jumping aboard the flat train with their new Surface and mobile OS—Apple had to make a choice: Either continue leading a design trend that feels less fresh (and debatably creates a less-friendly UI), or embrace this new trend. With iOS7, Apple went flat, extinguishing the final major skeuomorphism flame.
5. Flash
Although the previous point tabs Apple as a latecomer to the flat design game, they won the Flash battle. When Apple launched the iPhone and iPad with the conscious decision not to support Flash and those platforms took major percentages of web traffic, advertisers, site administrators, and developers embraced this new "HTML5" fad. Now, in 2013 we've seen a serious decline in Flash advertising, let alone sites built on that tool. Many of the Flash programmers I know have since embraced Adobe Edge, which is supposedly a grasp at regaining some relevance within the web developer scene, but it seems like too little too late when there are tons of (arguably better) open source tools available for everything. Originally released in 2011, with major updates in late 2012, Adobe is really pushing Edge, and although Flash is still available and supported, it doesn't get nearly the developer love it used to. You'd be hard pressed to find any major sites using Flash components anymore.
6. Web Pages
Web pages are still around, but they're undergoing some serious innovation lately. Not to harp on a previous point, but the quicker we move away from old IEs that harsh our collective mellow, the sooner we can abandon individual web pages altogether. This trend is a combination of design and technical innovations that appeared a couple of years ago and are now gaining traction. We've seen a major shift towards "appification" of web sites, which has most likely been employed by platforms that neither need nor want to make native apps to cater to the tablet and mobile users. Sites like Quartz, Facebook and Google Apps exemplify this trend, and constantly receive accolades for their approach to UX on the web.
Gawker media was an early adopter of this approach, with a major shift to a much maligned and short-lived hashbang-driven experience in 2011. Their site leveraged the pageless design with a new-at-the-time HTML5 standard called PushState which updated content asynchronously without refreshing the navigational elements of the page. Pitchfork.com was another early adopter of this technique and helped popularize a few tools such as PJAX and TurboLinks, the latter of which has become a core feature in Rails 4. We've seen more and more sites move this way, and as the barrier for implementation lowers, we will see a greater number of sites take this approach because it makes them leaner, faster, and cheaper to run.
7. Shared Hosting
While I would say "colos" (short for colocation centers) are on their way out, they'll never completely die since major companies require physical servers (even if we'll only have Google and Amazon datacenters in the future). Regardless, the concept of "shared hosting" is something that makes little to no sense given the massive migration to cloud computing and Platform as a Service (PaaS) offerings. Why spend $20 per month with GoDaddy to host something you have no control over, when you could spend a fraction of that to serve exactly the amount of bandwidth you need? Why would you also share your server with someone else you can't see, creating bottlenecks that you can't fix? Now, almost every hosting company (GoDaddy, MediaTemple, etc.) has cloud or virtual server options to compete with the big dogs like Heroku, Amazon Web Services, and Google App Engine.
8. "m." Sites
Until the adoption of responsive design, there was only one good way to deliver content to users who visit sites on a tablet or mobile device: read the initial request, check the user device, and redirect to a mobile version of the same site. The mobile site had to exist as a separate code base with an entirely different set of features. Whenever publishers updated one version of the site, they had to do the same on the other version, complicating maintenance and driving development costs. That said, there are reasons why "m." sites lasted beyond the advent of responsive design. For example, advertiser platforms took a while to adjust to a single page being able to deliver two entirely different inventories. To handle this issue, advertisers had to serve all ads to every page, and then render only mobile or desktop ads depending on the device. This specific problem has long since been solved by most ad platforms, and now that "responsive design" is basically a household term, the cost benefits of supporting a single platform rather than two presentation layers are clear.
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Ummm, a good portion of this list are not "design elements". Last I checked, IE9 and Flash didn't qualify as design elements. Nor does shared hosting.
Is it ironic that there is an image carousel on the uxmag homepage? Or, is this a different case / treatment?
very good point on the post, but I not agrees with number 6. and number 1. for the number one, the client what it so we must do it. client must be happy with their website.
disagree 100%, while the client must be happy, he has hired YOU to make the right choices for him with the new technology and trends. By adding an element like a carousel, which is obviously going out in popularity and mobile experience, i think it is your job to show definitive reasons why he should go with a more modern approach. Here is a good way i like to guage it... Go to themeforest and show me one popular theme like the ones that have made over a million in sales, show me one carousel. Not going to find it, because those templates are using the most modern trends. I think as a designer of their site, and the only reason you added the carousel is because the customer wanted it, is the wrong approach. the client is paying you to build his site with the newest and bast practices, which does not include a carousel, just my 2 cents.
Hi John,
We really saw in East Europe a decrease in clients' offers for "m" websites.
Now 99% of them feel good with a responsive design.
I don't agree with you about 6 & 7 trends. It seems they will continue forever.
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Many of the Flash programmers I know have since embraced Adobe Edge, which is supposedly a grasp at regaining some relevance within the web developer scene, but it seems like too little too late when there are tons of (arguably better) open source tools available for everything.
How about linking to a list of the resources or specifying them. There is a overwhelming mount of programs out there with each doing certain things really well but I have yet to find a program that hits a home run when it comes to replacing Flash. On a side note.. has anyone tried to comment on this site using Firefox?
I believe Micorsoft actually led the way with flat design, and have been working towards it for some time starting with METRO design philosophy based on Bauhaus/modernist principles and is now well established in windows mobile 8 onwards and they now have the most distincitve brand style/direction accross their products now including their applications and online (both their product sites and outlook.com whcih is vey good) Google have now reacted with Material design which is slowly introducing flat design to Android and their web intercfaces. Apple seem to now have the least difinite style direction. Personally I have never liked OSX/IOS UI design, coming from a modernist design background. Wether poeple like it or not Microsoft may have created the best phone UI of all the big 3. Im not an micorsoft evangelist but I have a big respect for what they have done/been doing in terms of design and interface.
As someone of tenure in an agency that works primarily on growing small businesses (1-50 employees, 150,000-5mil in annual revenue), I can say safely and with a good amount of authority that many of your predictions, although wishful, will not be happening in the small biz arena for 8 years or more...this is especially true for item #7. I can't get my larger entities to want to switch to VPS, Dedi, or other, because the performance of their shared server isn't bad enough to warrant it, and to owners and decision makers in these businesses, "if it ain't broken or won't cause a sharp increase in performance, don't spend money on it, for God's sakes!"
someone may have already mentioned this, but hamburger menus are apparently also a serious UX issue, sorry: http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/24/before-the-hamburger-button-kills-you/
Wow. Disappointing article. Google and Facebook receive accolades for their UX? These two companies personify bad UX. Even Microsoft has become better than these two.
Predicting the future is tough, and it takes bold confidence when you do it. Too often, you might be wrong in the end, but read between the lines and you can dig up alarming ideas. The Web is changing, but to say Web Pages may face extinction is a wild guess.
But it's a scary thought! The idea of HTML was to create an equal playing field to all web browsers and computers. If that goes, so does net neutrality. Is your content at the mercy of a phone OS? Will phones and tablets only adhere to their own infrastructure? Will HTML be the "Linux" of the Internet?
As Google Play and the App Store duke it out, it seems to me that if web pages die, content providers and businesses will be more frustrated to code for mobile devices rather than testing browsers.
Dumb article. I barely think w3school's browser stats represent consumer browser stats at all. Overall unhelpful article which sounds pompous and easily misleading.
Poorly researched article. I'm disappointed UXmag. You usually publish a lot better than this.
Sites like Quartz, Facebook and Google Apps exemplify this trend, and constantly receive accolades for their approach to UX on the web.
Accolades from who. Certainly not UX and usability people. Certainly not from a ton of users, especially Facebook.
Wow, you're just wrong a lot. This is all opinion I understand but some of this is just terrible usability.
agreed that rotators are a less effective ux for promoting stuff. ironic that this article was promoted in a rotator on a site about effective ux.
Whether or not shared hosting is a design element, it has one thing in favour of it that most cloud hosting solutions do not: ease of use. Things like Heroku and AWS require being comfortable with the terminal, and being able to install not only databases but ways to interact with them (e.g adding PHPMyAdmin). Heck, it is possible to install Wordpress on Heroku, but you lose the ability to be able to use WP's one-click updates. Unless you've got some sysadmin talent to hand, shared hosting ain't going away any time soon.
Sorry but skeuomorphism, as a notion and not just a visual style as it is often considered -- that is a big mistake --, just can't go away since even flat design is using elements of skeuomorphism to achieve its goals.
As a matter of fact, get rid of all skeuomorphism and see what happens: people unable to do anything. I'd like to read an article about real skeuomorphism, especially on such a website (UX) but it seems it is a lot easier to follow the trend making skeuomorphism a bunch of drop shadows and textures, which it is not at all.
What are some open source alternatives to creating flash-like content? I am looking for software that I can create animated logos on, and add clickable/ tap-able content to videos.
There are some websites where having a completely different mobile landing page or site is important, e.g., airlines, hotels. Where you need to quickly book a flight/room, make a reservation, check on your existing reservation or modify it, or a phone number that is displayed very prominently.
Hi John, I found your article interesting and informative. Sounds like you took some heat for it. FWIW, I have no problem with the carousel on your site since, as the saying goes, "The cobbler's children have no shoes," would apply to my life, as well. :)
The element of your article that actually did make me pause was the title. "Goodbye to 8 Design Elements Whose Time has Come" While I'm a sucker for the # promise (8 Design Elements... 3 Mistakes..., 5 Easy Steps, etc.), if something's "time has come," it means it is at its prime. So, your title is confusing. Why say goodbye to something that is at its high point? Maybe, "Whose Time has Come and Gone" or "Whose Time has Passed"?
Regardless, I did enjoy the read! Helped me to expand my thinking about design!
HI THERE EVERYONE! Let me clarify a couple of things because everyone is yelling at me. (but first, thanks for reading this piece :) )
1. This article is not just about aesthetic user experience, it is about the "tip to tail" design of an entire web application stack. Otherwise, we'd be talking about "just the tip" .... amirite? This is meant to discuss the front, middle, and back end layers of any given web app as well as other cultural/environmental factors that have heavily influenced web development over the years.
2. Garage Band may be a good example of friendly skeuomorphic design, but is that really the best example to use for that argument? Ableton Live, for example, exhibits a very flat design and solid iconography set that is not confusing in the slightest -- in fact it is far more professionally viable than Garage Band. Plus, there are plenty of alternatives coming out and gaining ground in the graphic design tools market (check out Macaw, for example) that shed that notion that iconography must be skeuomorphic to make semantic sense. However, yes, I am elitist as f**k so you can take that for what it's worth. (Side note, if you've ever gone to some dude who you are going to exchange money for his audio recording services and he busts out Garage Band.... just leave.)
3. Isn't a VPS a virtualized server? The arguments about scalability and total control over the server are exactly why I'm asserting that shared hosting is worthless and annoying. We are on the same page brotherman.
4. (i can't believe i'm still going). It is not going to be better for your startup company (regardless of the market you are in) if you have to support an "m." codebase and a "www." codebase. More complexity == higher support cost == less profitability. In fact, I'd say (totally without any citation or ability to back up this claim) that the editorial sites are the ones MORE guilty of still doing this, likely because of the latency of display ad traffic tech to adapt to new standards.
5. Yes I am a giant hypocrite because my website has a carousel. And I still hate it. Is that so wrong?
Anything else? Please feel free to yell at me more. Thanks again for reading. That is all.
Shared hosting is not a design element!
I also use dedicated hosting, which, while more expensive than shared, VPS, or the like, is absolutely necessary for my needs. Plus, my provider can't shut me down for overuse of system resources (CPU, RAM, hard drive) and I get more bandwidth per month than most cloud plans. I get total control over every aspect of the server, which is a huge plus, but it definitely isn't for everyone. I'd recommend a VPS for most needs - far less hassle and more scalable.
That list is kinda dumb.
First off, the author assumes that "drop-down menus" are "hover menus". He fails to recognize that drop-down menus historically and even today often rely on clicks rather than hovers. Indeed your Mac menu bar features "drop-down menus".
Secondly, the "carousel" will be more prominent with touch devices since swiping is such a popular gesture. Yahoo Tech just launched and features a carousel. As another commenter points out, one of the author's websites (asheavenue.com) features a prominent carousel as well.
Internet Explorer 9 is NOT a design element. It is a browser. Comparing it to the evils of IE6 and indirectly to the hell of "quirks mode" is a just IE bashing for the sake of those who will blindly join in. Sure, IE10 is much better, but FF24 is not perfect either compared to its WebKit brethren. Either way, these are not design elements.
Enough with bashing skeuomorphism. Most who do it fail to really understand what it is and when it is useful. For example, Garage Band for iOS makes great use of skeuomorphism with virtual instruments. Can you imagine a image/graphics editor like Photoshop eliminating pencil, eraser, paint brush and air brush metaphors or the simple hand-shaped cursor that clenches to "grab" that on screen element and drag it elsewhere? These are all great examples of skeuomorphism. Bashing skeuomorphism is what layman do to make themselves sound like UX elitists. Further, iOS 7 is far from "flat" since it actually uses tons of depth illusions. Simply using a texture because you think it looks nice is not skeuomorphism. Using a texture for the sake of making an on-screen element look more like a real world element it is trying to mimic is skeuomorphism. For example, the linen background of iOS 6 and Mountain Lion was not skeuomorphism, but the textured paper background and torn edges on the Notes app certainly was.
From there, this article just gets worse. Flash is a Web development technology, not a design element. Web pages are a medium, not a design element. Shared hosting is the furthest thing from a design element. And the "m." sites are simply a choice between making two distinct websites versus one that adapts. These still make sense. By its nature, responsive design is like those "one size fits all" baseball caps with the plastic snap in the back for adjusting the size. In some cases that works fine, but sometimes you don't want your design for mobile or desktop to be limited by the capabilities of the platform. Saying "responsive design" is the only way is as naive as saying that mobile apps should all be hybrids with an embedded web view (one size fits all). Facebook learned the hard way how limiting yourself to a specific set of parameters can really hinder the user experience. Responsive design is cool and works well for news websites. Complex web applications will likely benefit more from developing separate versions for mobile versus desktop and even tablet.
1) Author probably should have focussed on the hover part of any menu instead of claiming drop-downs are to blame. I'd suggest that even the hamburger button is a 'form' of drop down. Essentially any navigation mechanism that exposes a taxonomy... yadda yadda.
2) Again, author probably should have focussed on the timing aspect of carousels instead of the mechanism itself, since a swipe-based carousel is still a carousel.
... I suspect there's more to push back on, but looks like much of it is already covered by other comments. :)
Shared hosting is not a visual design element, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon either. I would also remind the author that even virtual servers and cloud servers need to live on some hardware somewhere.
You read this and click on the author's company website and what do you get?
A fu***** carousel.


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- Studio: Warner Bros. Pictures
- Release Date: May 25, 2012
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Oct 21, 2014The idea is fairly unique and creative making for and interesting plot, however It's dim scenes and shaky camera movements make for a difficult ride. So interesting it deserves a sequel (A shot at redemption)
Oct 12, 2014Very awesome! I would like to see pewdiepie on this movie and hearing him screaming like a little girl.
I don't know why this movie has low ratings, I enjoyed a lot. -
Feb 18, 2014
Sep 26, 2013Chernobyl Diaries in an effective thriller, but only good at most. It is shot in the style of Paranormal Activity, except the story that captivated millions in Paranormal doesn't show here. Instead, we have a shell of a horror movie that has many clichés and flaws, but is worth a look-see. Well, at least a look-see at the last half hour, because the rest of the movie is just filler.
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Jun 11, 2013That's a great film. Good plot and great direction. The end.. bahh extraordinary I am sad that this movie has such bad reviews. In my opinion it's a must-see horror movie of the decade. Not the best of course, but still a good one
Jun 10, 2013This review contains spoilers, click expand to view.
May 4, 2013
May 1, 2013I am not a fan of this genera of movie. I am normally a scaredy cat but this movie didn't even make me flinch. The acting was horrid, it even made me laugh it was so bad. I liked the idea of being in Chernonyl and the exposer to radiation. I think they could have done it a lot better than they did.
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Mar 16, 2013This movie stinks, just another terrible horror movie. How fun would it be to visit Chernobyl? That is a serious question that this movie asks. Chernobyl Diaries is one of the worst of 2012.
Mar 11, 2013
Jan 12, 2013"Chernobyl Diaries" is like being in the world of Silent Hill which is 100% scary, no, terrifying to be honest.
"Chernobyl Diaries" delivers good scares, good scenes, and a great horrific-adventurous plot, with a great movie twist, expected somehow that they will get stick in Chernobyl, but great! -
Jan 5, 2013
Jan 4, 2013Suspense and atmosphere may be present at times as with a couple well constructed scares, but Chernobyl Diaries is a horribly executed film that could have been fun but ends up being cheap and frustrating.
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Nov 20, 2012Chernobyl is scary as hell
Nov 7, 2012
Oct 29, 2012"Terror in Chernobyl" is not a perfect film, but it has its quasi-found-footage charm terrifying. This is due to the simplicity of fictional suspense, and perhaps the film disappoint Hollywood fans, but it fits well and leads to a curious adventure where terror is not just a pompous CGI monster. It's like a little walk of skewed insinuation becomes in darkness radioactive danger.
Oct 20, 2012There is no denying the set pieces are amazing. I will give the film one point for that. Another point comes from the creative writing and conversations the characters have towards the start of the movie. And the third and final point comes from the fact that this is not a found footage film. I'm sick of those. Other than that this is a scare-deprived, cop out ending, recycled piece of garbage.
Sep 30, 2012Whilst there are a few moments where tension is built nicely, the fact that the only interesting thing about the film atall is the setting says a lot. A forgettable breeze of a horror movie that packs a few moments of brief tension, but no actual scares to back it up.
Sep 23, 2012It's one of the scary movies I have been afraid. This movie has a little of what happened after the Chernobyl disaster, and I personally find very interesting topic. The film is highly recommended and entertaining.
Aug 8, 2012What I enjoyed the most, was the complete lack of logic, no plot, bad acting and less brain then Paris Hilton has
Aug 7, 2012This review contains spoilers, click expand to view.
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Jun 27, 2012Nothing. Nothing for 90 minutes. Characters completely stupid, half movie is useless and the other half is irritating. What a waste of a beautiful set as can be Chernobyl was. Annoyng.
Jun 24, 2012An interesting concept with flaws with the actors as they unravel to become the most annoying and dumb characters ever to be in modern day films. I found myself in tense situations because of some of the interesting choices of "freaks" and "creatures". But overall vastly flawed.
Jun 23, 2012I didn't see it. I won't see it, ever. Why? Over 350,000 people were evacuated from their homes after this catastrophe. Deaths and birth defects and cancer still occur to this day. How would we feel if some B-list Russian director made a cheesy film about September 11? Would you support him by seeing it?
Jun 23, 2012I did not think this was a great film its pretty low-budget to be fair so it's not got much to work with so taking that in to consideration its worth a watch Hills Have Eyes comes to Russia.
Jun 12, 2012This movies is not for real fans of horror movies. This movie is mix of all real horror movies. This movie does have some suspenseful parts but only near the end ,I do not recommend this to anybody,
Jun 11, 2012While this was filmed really well, it was an awful movie. I felt guilty later since so many people suffered from that incident, and here I just paid $$ to watch basically a spoof on a tragic event - - wished I would have donated the money to a charity instead.
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Jun 3, 2012I realize I have nothing much too say about this movie, probably because nothing much happened. If you had told me, before my screening, that someone could make a boring mutant zombie movie, I wouldnâ
Jun 1, 2012To Be 100% Honest..
This Movie Scared The Crap Out Of Me! Great Cast, The Story Line B+...
Overall A A+ I Have NEVER Been So Scared In My Life (The Strangers Is Really Scary)
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May 30, 2012I thought this movie was actually quite well done. Sure, there was a dissapointing ending, but I've studies Chernobyl and Pripyat before and this really brings the horror to life. Sure there's no mutant victims running around eating people, but i think the scenes were well laid out and really got my heart rate going and had great suspense. i would go see it!
May 28, 2012
May 27, 2012I don't see what the problem was with this movie the acting was good and there was no dumb moments and I really enjoyed myself. But the ending suked
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May 25, 2012This is ONE of the worst movies I have ever seen. Its not even worthy of watching for free on T.V.....Jumpy filming, bad acting, to many mistakes. If I tell you all that was wrong with this movie, I would have to check the box for spoilers.
May 25, 2012Ok, we have again other movie that use the found footage (yes like Cloverfield and Paranormal Activity), and what happen? yes have some cool moment in that you jump, and you put a scare face, but the big problem of the movies is the next: Is same that the rest of the found footage movies. Good movie, but we watch all of this movies.
May 25, 2012This movie was amazingly good...Oren did an amazing job at building the suspense. There were scene we're the jumpy camera sorta throws you off but still Chernobyl Diaries was completely worth the money.
May 25, 2012
Jun 21, 2012Diaries is dark and gruesome, but with little in the way of genuine shock or surprise, you should expect the expected.
If, as some critics have claimed, "The Cabin in the Woods" made the horror genre obsolete, someone forgot to tell screenwriter Oren Peli.
The movie wants us to find this frightening, but there's no suspense, no terrifying images.


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One of our incredible Life Group Leaders put together a final few week of small group with his guys that was truly incredible. First, he wrote 24 Thoughts for Graduating Seniors – a final hit list of things he wanted them to know as a man and as someone who was finished with High School.
Beyond that, he planned a parent beach bonfire night where dads wrote letters to their sons that was incredible powerful as well. Terry is a great leader and after seeing his notes I asked if I could share them here on the blog – felt like it would be a win for others to read and maybe something other small group leaders could rip-off or adapt for their guys as well:
13) Be Yourself
It is so easy to leave home, be in a new place and you try to be someone you are not.
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb. 14 Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it. 15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. 16 You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed. -Psalm 139:13-16
14) Be Humble – Put others first
He leads the humble in doing right, teaching them his way. -Psalm 25:9
The LORD supports the humble, but he brings the wicked down into the dust. -Psalm 147:6
Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love. -Ephesians 4:2
15) Be Truthful & Stay Close to Truth Tellers
Integrity is noticed by everyone – it will set you apart
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -John 8:32
Truth provides freedom, Lies keep you from being free. Make sure you find one or two Friends who will be honest with you. Find a small group or some way to stay connected to God. You need to have truth put into your life on a regular basis or you will forget about it. You need someone to help you stay accountable.
16) Stay Positive/Find something good in ALL situations
Only YOU control your Reactions! What's your Attitude?
The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude to me is more important than facts…. We cannot change our past…we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the string we have, and that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10 percent what happens to me and 90 percent how I react to it. And so it is with you… we are in charge of our attitudes.
17) Rest – Take care of yourself
What fills your tanks? Make time for that activity
The LORD is my shepherd; I have all that I need. 2 He lets me rest in green meadows;  he leads me beside peaceful streams. 3 He renews my strength. He guides me along right paths,  bringing honor to his name.  4 Even when I walk  through the darkest valley,  I will not be afraid,  for you are close beside me.  Your rod and your staff  protect and comfort me. 5 You prepare a feast for me   in the presence of my enemies.  You honor me by anointing my head with oil.  My cup overflows with blessings.  6 Surely your goodness and unfailing love will pursue me  all the days of my life,   and I will live in the house of the LORD  forever. -Psalm 23
18) Don't let ANGER destroy you – Replace it with Laughter.
Control your temper
And "don't sin by letting anger control you.†Don't let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 for anger gives a foothold to the devil. -Ephesians 4:26-27
When Abraham Lincoln had to write a letter to someone who had irritated him, he would often write two letters. The first letter was deliberately insulting. Then, having gotten those feelings out of his system, he would tear it up and write a second letter, this one tactful and discreet.
Don't send the first TEXT MESSAGE when you are angry – DELETE IT and then write a second one to send!!!
Don't forget about LAUGHTER!!! It will do very positive things it your life!