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Global temperatures are well within normal climate fluctuations -- they are nowhere near the scary temperature rise predicted in the 1980's by Hansen et al of the IPCC (International Panel on Climate Change). This article is nothing but liberal propaganda to fellow Regressives.
Global Warming is a non-scientific myth. Check the data...
Sea level rise tracks the upper range of the IPCC predictions. But you'll never hear that from Steven Goddard, WUWT or Climate Depot. Those blogs (run by people without any scientific credentials) give a very one-sided view of the world.
See Skeptical Science.
sea levels have been rising continuously since measurements were available, in the 19th Century. There is a debate over whether this trend has recently slowed down, but none that data shows it to be increasing.
And you will never hear this from SS, as it contradicts the message he delivers.
Other authors do see an acceleration in the sea level rise, especially those that take a longer view than the 20th century alone. See http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_few_hundred.html and here.
Regardless, it remains that sea levels are rising faster than the IPCC expected. And based on recent satellite observations of the ice masses of Greenland and Antarctica, which show accelerated melting, more sea level rise seems certain.
The present trend, according to the most recent publications, is an increase of 1.5+/-0.3 mm/yr. What was the specific prediction by IPCC? Do you actually know what they predicted?
Authors see many things
Your source exhibits a great deal of scatter in historical sea level changes. A statistical analysis would identify a general upward trend over 300 years with no statistically significant variation in that trend.
Satellite observations show the rise is more than twice your 1.5 mm/yr, at 3.11 mm/yr since 1993 (http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators#seaLevel).
The fact that you think you know the results of an analysis that has not been done is telling.
We seem on track for a 50-80 cm sea level rise by 2100. Maybe we're lucky. It would be unwise to count on that and dismiss the scientific estimates.
The reference below provides the consensus from 9 data sets from across the world. They comment on the variability from one location to another
I am still interested in what the IPCC prediction was. Since the 100 year average has been 1.7 mm/yr I would have guess that would be their prediction.
For one thing, the IPCC cautiously did not include any effect of melting land ice. It was deemed too uncertain at the time. And as I understand it, the IPCC prediction is based on a mix of existing model results.
Here is some discussion of the IPCC scenarios and how things subsequently panned out, although of course it's from a source you may find suspect: http://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise-predictions.htm
Your caps lock is still on. But that's the least of your problems, it would seem.
As to the temperature chart, I'm surprised you can't find it. But try NASA: http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators#globalTemp
There are other costs, of course, than those which can be measured in money.
Children will grow up not knowing all sorts of flora and fauna, because it has gone extinct.
The psychological wellbeing that contact with nature brings will be diminished.
Our health will suffer.
One has to wonder how we survived past events, some even more extreme than the present case
Not all of us did, Rob. Many died prematurely.
How many? Do you have any data? One would expect that the impact of climatic changes would depend on the locale. There was the Ice Age, of course.
No idea. But from the fact that we exist, it doesn't follow that all was fine in the past, and even less that climate change can't result in major disasters.
At least some experts think that overall, a 4C warmer world would be quite disastrous for humanity (Google 'Are you ready for a four degree world?'). Regrettably that article is not well-referenced; it would be interesting to see what evidence underpins this: "Previous rapid temperature fluctuations of 3-5°C, historically, have caused great hardship, suffering, death and social-political disruption around the world."
. . . but none even close to what is in the pipeline if we don't act.
I believe there is only one country where it continually exists debates on whether there is any climate change caused by humans or not.
In the same country people rather live in city suburbs and drive their car to work instead of living in city center and bike or take the metro. Children go by school bus instead of walking or biking.
It is also in the same country where high-speed trains doesn't exist despite a huge population density and wealth in certain regions, because people rather drive their car for hours or take the airplane.
This is a country where a president candidate can argue in favor of more dirty energy without being controversial.
If you could guess which country I mean I would be interested to see if anyone that oppose the whole idea of global warning comes from another country!
Greece here... I dont believe in global warming. It is cheap propaganda
Yet the US has been a leader in the reduction of CO2 emission. How can that be accomplished with all of this debate, no significant super trains, all that driving?
An amazing accomplishment, right?
Dear Rob S,
I recognize efforts made by American universities, companies and private persons and I believe the US has come very far in science and innovation. I apologize if it sounded as I was generalizing I have just never seen as strong opposition in any other country and therefore believe it is harder for Americans that want to change the politics in a more green way.
For sure American CO2 reductions are positive, I would never argue that! I have a hard time finding better data than at the world bank about comparisons of all countries, maybe you could help me there (and then make the arguments below useless)?
Anyhow if you look at the http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?order=wbapi_data_valu... it is clear the US has reduced some 2.7% (of the per capita emission) from the period 2002-2006 to the period 2007-2011. In addition China has passed the US as the country with greatest emissions (these are also the World's top two economies).
As always though it is easier to reduce something you have a lot of and also in a high-tech country where substitutes more easy can be found. Please notice that the US still has higher emissions/capita than all European countries except Luxembourg. It is also extremely cheap to buy gasoline in America and people are still complaining much more about the high gasoline prices than in Europe, probably because the society is much more dependent on cars.
Last of all it is much more important for the World that the USA and China do a lot more since these two countries together are responsible for about 40% of all CO2 emissions (~33% of GDP PPP). Considering the importance of America I am more afraid of an American debating against global warming than someone from Greece. The Americans have a much greater responsibility!
Americans are less prone to accepting dogma handed down from their government than, say, Swedes. Americans tend to be skeptical of official pronouncements, suspicious of experts and argue over them. I personally find the scientific arguments supporting the AGW hypothesis inadequate. They would be unacceptable in a discipline which was not overwhelmed with politics. More than half of the people I know who have training in science that is my level agree with me. Many Swedes I know who have scientific training have similar reservations. But they know enough to be politely quiet.
The most straightforward way to reduce CO2 emissions is to substitute natural gas and nuclear energy for coal. The replacement of coal by NG accounts for a significant fraction of reductions to date. We see China and India expanding their efforts to find a cost effective alternative to coal, using nuclear power. Compare these actions to Germany, where they are shutting down nuclear power plants, de-emphasizing solar energy and expanding the use of coal. Who is REALLY serious about global warming?
Thank you for a well formulated answer!
Let's say the AGW lacks of adequate scientific support and is proven to be nonsense in 15 years from now.
The countries that believed in this nonsense and tried to do something about it will then see their country having energy-independent houses, electricity efficient high-speed trains that has left the old rails more available for goods transport and the roads less crowded, less SC costs for companies trying to minimize transportations, efficient industries that doesn't waste chemicals, energy or materials in their processes, healthier population that breath fresh air even in city centres and keep in shape by walking to work, etc.
To answer your question I would say that neither America, China, Germany nor any other state is the most serious about global warming and even less with the financial crises. Instead I would argue the most serious ones are universities and private companies, anticipating a lot of honour and profit by providing new solutions or science to the world.
During the socialist era there were many small local coal plants all over China which have gradually been replaced by bigger and more efficient coal plants in northern China. The energy produced from these, still dirty, plants has to be transported from the north to households and industries all over China where the waste will be enormous. The last years people protest against the dirty air, NGO:s and foreign politicians crave for change and the CPC try to do something to look better in the eyes of others. I would still believe it is the private companies and universities that will do something in China and probably India aswell!
Your response highlights one reason for skepticism with the AGW movement. The lack of direct effort (even opposition) to significantly reduce CO2 emission using available technology, coupled with promotion of ineffective but highly symbolic (and expensive) programs suggest a lack of real interest in the problem itself. Promotion of solar energy, high speed trains and other visible symbols of commitment lead to huge spending programs with little or no impact on the problem you profess to be solving.
High speed trains are a boondoggle and little more than a very expensive amusement park ride for the well-to-do. The same service could be provided much more efficiently using bus service, as has been demonstrated in the NE Corridor. A express superbus trip from Manhattan to Boston costs less than an Amtrak ticket, ignoring the huge taxpayer subsidy for the Amtrak ticket, and takes less time. The only investment the taxpayer makes is maintenance of the existing roads, which the bus company contributes to through fuel taxes and licence fees. But, to politicians, that is a major weakness of the approach. It eliminates large construction and purchase programs, that always benefit the politician. Using NG to reduce CO2, rather than solar energy has the same problem - far less capital and none of it passes through the hands of politicians.
Some of these comments veer quite deeply into magical realism.
For those who hate science, is it all science, or just all science you are passably aware of?
"magical realism"??
Sounds like an oxymoron. Can you try to be a bit more specific?
If you don't understand something, you could just look it up:
Not everything worth knowing can be found on Wattsupwiththat.com
Are you serious, or trying to be ironic?
Nothing worth knowing can be learned from Oprah. That is the kiss of death, even for somebody as famous as Marquez.
What valuable and interesting work! While the article seems to focus on the decisions of governments, the economic implications of various climate changes are also critical for businesses. I will definitely pick up Kahn's book.
On a different note, the article is well written, but I did notice one error. Typically, when two complete thoughts are joined by a conjunction, there should be a comma before the conjunction. The occasional exception to this rule is when both sentences are short. The following sentence is not an exception: "Climate-change science is still a realm of great uncertainty but there is consensus that the planet is warming dangerously and that people are to blame."
As we can see from official reactions and the comments below as well, whenever the human responsibility for global warming, weather changes come up, it descends into an emotional, political or personal debate leading nowhere.
It is easier to examine the situation from systemic point of view.
Despite what many people think, humans are not above, not independent of the vast natural ecosystem they live in.
We are simply sophisticated mammals, and our biological body and our psyche works based on the same principles any living organism, or the whole ecosystem is based on: the laws and principles maintaining general balance and homeostasis. Without these principles life and development would not be possible.
Only humans do not fit into this general balance because people, driven by their ego consume way above their natural needs, they completely ignore the natural harmony of the system around them, and try to change it to fit their excessive, exploitative, self centered needs, completely unbalancing the system.
The so called "free market, constant quantitative growth" economic system is a perfect representation of this behavior, which resembles cancer in a healthy body.
Today when due to many factors humanity has become round, global and interdependent and we also inch closer to depleting natural resources in this closed and finite system, this behavior has become much more acute, triggering a system collapse, a self destruction in the form of the global crisis.
We can keep arguing about human responsibility for the global warming, but before the rising oceans reach the shores we can easily deplete or even exterminate ourselves by other, human-made means through economical, financial collapse, non-existent food or water supplies, or even nuclear war.
@ZG perhaps you should live in a cancer-free cave?
I am not sure how you drew that conclusion.
It is statistically proven that about 90% of all the products the economy is pushing out is totally unnecessary and most of the time harmful for normal and modern human life.
We only chase those products because we are brainwashed by a very sophisticated marketing machinery and the subsequent social pressure to keep buying. We do not have a second to think for ourselves, we are unconsciously running after everything they put in from of us like robots, the whole media, everywhere we look is a hidden advertisement, every moment of our lives is geared towards consuming more. As a result we are more unhappy than ever, most of the western world is on antidepressants, the family is broken down, people, provided they still have jobs work more than ever, still everybody is drowning in debt.
Is the only alternative to this going back to a cage?
I wouldn't know about carcinogenic items per se. But products that are needless, and probably harmful to some extent, certainly ZGHerm is right about this. Advertisement is to sell a product, not inform about the availability of something providing for a natural need. As such, the producer really doesn't care what is produced, as long as it is bought. The parameter of interest is maximizing profit.
Therefore, the actual value of products to people's health and such, is relatively random -- left to entropy. The expectation is that more harm than good will come from it. I would say that the chances of net harm (though it might be minute), from such product is 90%, and that in terms of unnecessary, I suspect it quite more than 90%.
Perhaps we should all live together united in the intention to achieve the best possible balance with each other that is human(e)ly possible, respecting not only the balance we must live with in order to thrive together on this planet but respecting the fact that we alone do not have all the answers. Answers will come by us creating better science which is not based on politics or economic models alone but on honest inquiry and observation of the effects of our habits. We must collect solutions from every source possible and those solutions will have to include lessons on how to understand and unite around a common goal and reduce our desires to become talking heads for the sake of egotistic arguments. Millions of innocent people really are suffering because our methods of education, medicine, social interactions and business perpetuate chaos rather than create balance. We need combinations of solutions but these need to come from the heart of those interested in mankind's development not the hearts of those who are solely devoted to their own interests. What this may be will depend on all of us together, not on biased political schemes.
I hear the Tibetan Monks are looking for some Greenies...
Leave the rest of us to use our cars to get places we want...and buy the stuff we want...The Earth is doing just fine...
And please don't mix up Global Warming crap with environmental protection.
I'm sorry that you misunderstand me. In the future you and I will work together so that you can have what you need and desire and so can everyone else. You're so right, the Earth will always do just fine, but we can do better for mankind and achieve a better balance. I don't believe in "global warming" in any political sense whatsoever and I'm definitely not into monastacism and I don't believe that our human needs create a problem. We just need a better trajectory.
Finally the liberal regressives got their storm, years after hurricane Karina hit New Orleans in 2005. Since then, there has been a remarkable paucity of hurricanes (unlike predictions made by the Global Warming crowd). The whole Global Warming myth (now ironically called Climate Change) is the biggest spin story ever told. Hats off to ol' Al Gore -- he's the only person in history to have made millions selling hot air.
PS: And yes, the Climate Changes. Duh.
The Hurricane that hit NY was nothing like those that have struck in the past. Sandy is therefore a window to the past, and a small one, as much as it is one to the future.
Don't you think you should have googled hurricanes and NY before writing your erroneous babble?
What are the qualifications for a job at the Economist: lazy and ignorant?
Given that there is no man made global warming (climate change), the entire premise is wrong. Supercomputers cannot predict the path of the largest weather event, a hurricane, for more than 48 hours with any accuracy - yet scientists can project out weather globally for 20, 30, 50, 100 years?
In October 2007, the United Kingdom High Court has ruled that the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" (by Al Gore) to be propaganda and described as irredeemable, containing serious scientific inaccuracies and "sentimental mush." One day before the announcement that Al Gore was a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, a British High Court judge ruled that Gore's global warming film, "An Inconvenient Truth," while "broadly accurate."
Since 1880, when reliable temperature records began to be kept across most of the globe, the world has warmed by about 0.75 degrees Celsius. From the start of 1997 until August 2012, however, figures released last week (October 2012) show the answer is zero: the trend, derived from the aggregate data collected from more than 3,000 worldwide measuring points, has been flat!!!! Global industrialisation over the past 130 years has made relatively little difference.
Many European countries have backed off from CO2 goals because they realize they are unachievable, too costly and will not impact the climate. Going green killed the national economy of Spain. China, NOT America, is the biggest CO2 producer in the world yet is exempt from Kyoto Treaty.
Climate change is due to Nature, not man. 50% of global warming computer models DO NOT use plant consumption of CO2, that evil greenhouse gas that humans, you, exhale! Models to not figure in that evil hot thing in the sky called the Sun. Models do not figure in the movement of tectonic plates in sea level calculations. Movement of tectonic plates (land "floats" on these) is not considered in alleged sinking of land/rising of sea level.
The end game is MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL, regulation, and taxes; plain and simple.
Some simple facts:
-In October 2007, the United Kingdom High Court has ruled that the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" (by Al Gore) to be propaganda and described as irredeemable, containing serious scientific inaccuracies and "sentimental mush."
- Al Gore (who got a D in Natural Sciences at Harvard & stands to make BILLIONS off the global warming LIES) purchasing a multimillion dollar beach home in southern California is a prime example that he doesn't think sea levels are rising anytime soon. Al Gore increases his carbon footprint, buys house in ritzy Santa Barbara neighborhood
- Al Gore as senior advisor to Google: Google is sheltering $10 billion in Bermuda to avoid taxes.
- Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago - UK Dailymail
- Now there's more ice at South Pole than ever - UK Dailymail
- Drilling discovers ancient Antarctic rainforest - yahoo news
- C.I.A. Closes Its Climate Change Office - NY Times
- Coldest winter in 100 years on way -UK Express
- LULEA, Sweden (Reuters) - A Stone Age camp that used to be by the shore is now 200 km (125 miles) from the Baltic Sea. Sheep graze on what was the seabed in the 15th century. And Sweden's port of Lulea risks getting too shallow for ships.
CO2 is neither the most powerful nor abundant of the so called greenhouse gases - WATER VAPOR is! 70% of the Earth is covered by oceans, SUN warms the oceans creating WATER VAPOR. Last time scientists looked, the oceans are not going away and the SUN warms the oceans everyday.
Greenhouse Gases by percent:
Water vapor 95.000%
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618%
Methane (CH4) 0.360%
Nitrous oxide (N2O) 0.950%
CFC's (&misc. gases) 0.072%
Total 100.000%
With all respect, I stopped reading after "Given that there is no man made global warming..."
If you start out with a dogmatic 'given' like that, nothing informative can follow.
Well, what is the proof for man-made global warming? A bunch of deceptive and fabricated GCM's, rather than the actual weather measurements themselves.
Hey, its your brainless theory. Provide the evidence.
Great post, LePen.
The moron Mann made Gorons at the Economist have been peddling this smut for years. Now this crap is all coming to an end. And they still won't let it go.
Sense Seeker: Oh really? Then how come you listen to Al Gore, the UN, and all the other "experts" when they say "the debate is over" or "the scientific consesus"?
All my facts are listed, do some of your own homework on the issue.
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs , there is NO consensus that man made global warming is real.
These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth. http://www.petitionproject.org/
"Let's be clear: The work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right. … The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus." Michael Crichton – who, in addition to being a best selling author, was also a physician.
"State of Fear" by Michael Crichton, clearly explained the huge lies in the global warming relegion.
One study showed that 97 percent of the scientists who publish about climate in peer-reviewed journals say global warming is man-made. these are the "scientists" who are getting research grants to study "climate change." the journals may be peer reviewed, but the PAPERS on climate change in those journal are NOT!
"31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs"
Well, that says it all, doesn't it? And how many had PhDs in climate science? Or published peer-reviewed papers in that area of science? For information on climate science you go to NOAA, NASA or the Met Office, not to silly open petitions or fiction writers. (By the way, if that impresses you, I am also a physician.) You could start here: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
And you think all those papers in Nature and Science are not peer-reviewed? Really? What kind of information environment do you inhabit? Anyway, you'd better come out of it. (Keep reading TE!)
Sense Seeker
1. You tell me how many climate "scientists" have PhDs? do your own research like I did. your side has few.
2. The Met Office release the report that the Earth has cooled! Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it.
3. The NASA link you posted uses the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as a SOURCE! The main governmental world body that seeks to rob wealthy countries under the guise of a carbon tax! "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal." Yes, no debate, just pay the UN hundreds of billions of dollars in carbon taxes. IPCC cherry picks "studies" that feed the big lie.
NASA is also trying to stay alive as a government agency; Obama cancelled their Space Shuttle programs and directed NASA towards more liberal goals - like "climate change" and educating Arabs on outer space!!!!
4. "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton, was heavily researched and FOOTNOTED, he explained the huge lies in the global warming religion. He work was so good his life was threatened by you Kool-Aid drinkers.
"The greatest hoax: how the global warming conspiracy threatens your future" by James Inhofe, is also heavily footnoted and debunks the global warming lies.
5) Your lead liar Michael E. Mann has NO degree in "climate science." A.B. applied mathematics and physics (1989), MS physics (1991), MPhil physics (1991), MPhil geology (1993), PhD geology & geophysics (1998). The other liar is Al Gore (who got a D in Natural Sciences at Harvard), stands to make BILLIONS off the global warming LIES)
6) Pier review? HAHAHAHAHA!
Science journal 'Nature' abandons peer review experiment, Posted 12/21/2006 By Alicia Chang, The Associated Press LOS ANGELES — Citing a lack of participation, the British journal Nature said it was ditching a closely watched online experiment that allowed scientists to comment on their peers' research before publication.
Looking over the papers published by The International Journal of Science and Nature, I am NOT finding citations or any listing, of scientists who independently performed a peer review of papers.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid and I hope you are a better physician than a researcher.
How many times does this bigoted Daily Mail article have to be debunked on this forum? As I wrote earlier:
One gets somewhat tired of that endlessly repeated 'Global warming stopped 16 years ago' lie. The MET office officially denied any such thing. See here: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14...
For a full explanation on how 'journalist' David Rose violated journalistic standards to bring his bogus story into that tabloid, see http://youtu.be/Qbn1rCZz1ow.
As to the rest of your comments, if you have more confidence in fiction writers on the topic of climate change than in NASA or Academies of Science, further discussion is pointless.
Sense Seeker: If you READ what you sent me from the Met, you would see they did not deny the conclusion reached by the Daily Mail, they just danced around the interpretation of the data.
The youtube video was so silly I almost fell off my chair! Mann produced his famous "hockey stick" chart using just 10, yes 10, data sources - I believe 3 ice core samples and 7 tree ring samples. Daily Mail chart was produced using thousands of data points from a hundreds of collection points. But liberals are always correct and never supercilious, or condescending.
From the Met Office website (which you clearly never read):
November 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.4 °C BELOW the 1981-2010 average.
October 2012: The UK mean temperature was 1.3 °C BELOW the 1981–2010 average, and it was provisionally the coldest October since 2003; Northern Scotland had its 5th coldest October in a series since 1910.
September 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.7 °C BELOW the 1981-2010 average, and it was provisionally the coolest September since 1994.
August 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.4 °C ABOVEthe 1981-2010 average.
July 2012: The UK mean temperature was 1.0 °C BELOW the 1981-2010 average and it was the coolest July since 2000.
June 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.3 °C BELOW the 1971-2000 average and it was the coolest June since 1991.
May 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.5 °C ABOVE the 1971–2000 average, the very warm spell towards the end of the month offsetting the earlier cool conditions.
April 2012: The UK mean temperature was 0.6 °C BELOW the 1971-2000 average, and it was the coldest April since 1989. Unusually, April was colder than March (the last time that occurred was in 1998) and the temperature failed to reach 20 °C anywhere (this last occurred in April 1989).
Enough time spent on trying to suggest a Kool-Aid drinker perform just the basics of critical thinking. So when your taxes go up to "save the planet" and your bank account balance drops, I told you so! Live in a cave, I intend to drive my SUV over the speed limit in your name.
Of course, if you insist on misinterpreting what the Met Office wrote, you are free to do so. You can also try to be as offensive as you can without violating TE's code of conduct. Be my guest.
The MET Office wrote: "As we've stressed before, choosing a starting or end point on short-term scales can be very misleading. Climate change can only be detected from multi-decadal timescales due to the inherent variability in the climate system."
That temperatures are variable on a short time schale is also the only thing we can conclude from the monthly temperature averages for the UK that you cite. With the added fact that those figures are about one small country, not the whole world, so the variability will be much greater still.
Obviously it says next to nothing about whether human-made global warming is real or not.
No more dogmatic than insisting that global warming IS man-made, SS
It all depends on your personal preferences for dogma - much like religious preferences.
"It all depends on your personal preferences for dogma - much like religious preferences."
You see, that is exactly what distinguishes skeptics from deniers like yourself. Deniers think they can just choose the dogma they like best, rather than the theories that have most support in actual evidence.
If you take 'evidence-based' as criterion, and you take the opinions of representative scientific bodies as the best indicator of the level of support for theories, then you would have to accept that global warming IS more than likely mostly man-made.
The use of consensus is not part of the scientific method. The views of the majority - the dogma - has been demonstrated to be wrong too many times.
I have chosen no dogma. I have never argued that AGW has been disproved. I argue that the evidence is insufficient to accept it as proven. THAT is how we differ, SS. You depend on dogma to support your argument. A scientific theory that says "but we have no better explanation for the present warming trend", that most scientists believe that CO2 causes global warming (a tautology) and then admits that the present theory also has no quantitative explanation, is lacking. There are too many contradictory facts.
Mja, my assessment is different. I see the evidence for global warming mounting: every decade is warmer than the previous, sea level rise, arctic ice loss, species moving towards the poles, extreme temperature events, you name it. Many scientists have looked at it, including sceptical ones like Muller, and confirmed the warming trend.
As to what causes it, the greenhouse properties of CO2, methane etc. have been known for ages, and I know from secondary school that hot air can contain more water vapor, which accounts for most of the greenhouse effect. Satellites track the energy arriving and leaving earth and confirm energy is added to the system. There are no credible alternative explanations, and the model mimic the events after volcanic eruptions quite well. The vast majority of climate scientists seem to believe AGW is real, and I don't believe in a conspiracy among scientists.
It all adds up. It is coherent with what I learned in school. There comes a point at which you have to conclude that there is enough evidence to take action to avoid possible adverse consequences. For me, that point has passed.
It's time to stop arguing and roll up our pants legs on the way out of NYC and LA! It's the only prudent thing to do.
We currently waste a lot of time talking about whether the warming is manmade or not, and trying out feel-good ideas that will supposedly make it all better. These questions and gestures do not matter.
If it's not manmade, then obviously we need to cope.
If it is manmade, no effective mitigation measure can be deployed quickly enough and commpletely enough, I suspect, to reverse the changes of a century of aggressive development. We have difficulty just beating last year, with increasing population and development.
(People seem to think turning the themostat down a few degrees will reverse climate change. I think widespread poverty and dislocation would be more likely required. Someone, please paint me a scenario that would actually reverse human influences. I have seen none.)
Hey Yankee Lib,
Aha, I thought nobody would ask. Here is a scenario, and it involves a lot of job creation and export products.
We don't even have to force-move people a lot to get this done, since it sets up a natural draw that can only come with productive enterprise. It does not even have to be the stark kind of encampments that gather around new oil fields.
Start by looking at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5eIVVvdgA
Here is an example of innovation that could help unlock the massive agricultural resource lying under-used or even unused in large parts of the North American continent.
We hear a lot of optimism coming out of politicians and promoters about the great wealth of innovative talent in the USA. We need to take care that some innovation is more beneficial than others. Where it unlocks productivity, that is good, but it still needs to be expansionary, not just efficiency. By that I refer to much in the world of computers and automation that lets one person do the work of several, thus eliminating jobs. And no, this is not net job creation, though it gets passed off as creating jobs.
The tractor project seen on youtube as linked above is key to expansion of agriculture in the USA. By making farm labor humanly acceptable, it taps into hard assets, much of which is actually federal land. A lot of it is private, but would be raised to much higher use with the availability of reliable irrigation.
We know how to do this. Some re-evaluation of priorities toward the environment may be needed, but it could happen with intelligent evaluation of competing points of view.
Originally, the possibilities of irrigation as a way to develop standing forests were explored as a way to balance the CO2 generation in fossil fuel fired electric power plants. This can go even further with planning of agricultural projects, that is, a continuous agregate of orchards and vineyards provides a standing wood mass, and if done on a widespread basis, it would be enough to hold back CO2 expansion.
It was a surprise to learn that China has been working in this direction.
Wasnt it computer models tha gave AAA rating to toxic bonds?
Only a fool would trust a computer model.
Climate was never stable to start changing lately due to human activity.
The statistical significance of temperature records is ZERO given that climate changes in time scales orders of magntidude larger that human lifespan (or human civilization itself)
If dinosaurs were proven to be warm blooded that would prove that the normal climate of the planet is tropical!
Only a fool would discard a model without testing how well does it fit to reality.
Climate has never been stable - true. But thanks to that we have identified factors that influence it. Mostly it is the Sun cycles and there are particular signs of a climate change induced by the Sun. For instance the initial temperature rise precedes the CO2 increase. It also runs much slower than the current change, as you promptly indicated.
Todays change is different - CO2 increase is not like in previous warm periods, it precedes the temperature rise. The change is rapid compared to the previous events. In just 50 years the atmospheric CO2 increased by more than a quarter. The temperature increased by 0.4C - a significant amount. This suggests something completely opposite to what you claim. Such a rapid change is extremely significant.
Dinosaurs, sadly, are extinct. You mentioned yourself that climate fluctuates - so in that light claiming that any climate on Earth is "normal" is just ridiculous. Question is - which type of climate is beneficial for us.
True... there is not such thing as normal climate...pardon me.
Human beings are the most adaptable species ever set foot on the planet.
I believe that human beings will adapt to any climate change as they did in the past ice age.
That is if the climate doest regulate itself to human friendly conditions.
And speaking for human benefit I see little benefit to taxes, especialy carbon taxes that this newpaper argues for.
We should never forget that the more CO2 out there the more plants grow and we feed more people and living beings general
The oil that is under the earth used to be carbon in circulation what is wrong in putting in back circulation ?
Isnt this our benefit?
The model has been tested and it does not predict historical temperature trends, unless adjustable factors are added to fit the model to the data.
Pavlarus makes a significant point. Like the climate, computer scientists attempted to predict future trends in a complex system, the stock market, based on knowledge of the past. Their models failed.
Pavlaras, I am afraid you are misinformed. This time, it is human activity that warms the planet.
The proof for that is in basic physics and empirical data. Models are used to get a sense of what the future is likely to bring. Climate modelling is about physics, which is fundamentally different from modelling stock markets, which is fundamentally about human judgement.
Just this week a (peer-reviewed) scientific article appeared in Nature Climate Change with the title 'Assessment of the first consensus prediction on climate change' (discussed ,here).
The conclusion? Climate change predictions made 20 years ago have so far proved accurate, suggesting that the world is indeed on track to a radical climate shift.
We are adaptive. But to adapt we need to state loud and clear, that climate is changing and it is time to take some action. You might mention that in some cases climate changes did drive us to the brink of extinction.
The taxes might or might not be the best option. The way to find out is to propose alternative solutions, not to deny the existence of the problem. It is a big problem, that one of the major parties in the US prefers to bury their head in the sand. Not only it hinders finding ways to deal with climate change, it also gives exclusive voice in the matter to one political option, which never is healthy.
The more CO2, more plants vision is a very simplistic view. OK, there is evidence that doubling pre-industrial CO2 will increase some crops - but only marginally by 20%. Main crops, like corn or rice will gain nothing, their photosynthesis is already at the maximum. High CO2 also increases wheat biomass but decreases the crop, not really a dream scenario. In increased CO2 plants have also been shown to use much more water. The picutre there is much more complicated than shown on denialist websites.
Oil, used to be CO2 in times when the Sun was shining with only 80% of todays intensity... Today it would not be feasible.
Though there are some similarities, market models and climate models are world apart. Especially stock market models are more similar to weather prediction, than climate prediction. Completely different modelling capabilities between the two. As for the reliability, Sense Seker provided some reference to that. Beats me what addjustable factors do you mean?
Climate models are more complex than the market models. It is the complexity of the models, and resultant instability that leads to problems.
The amplification factor is referred to as the "feedback multiplier" in the 2007 IPCC report. It attempts to account for the 70% of the global warming unaccounted for when the calculated CO2 effect is used alone.
Earlier models ddi not invoke feedback and empirically determined CO2 forcing functions were found to be physically unrealistic. Reductions in the calculated effects of CO2 has required climate scientists to increase feedback effects to fit the temperature data.
Rob, the IPCC predictions have been shown to be cautious for sea level rise and pretty much spot on for other parameters. As the paper I referred to above, even the models from 20 years ago got the big picture right.
I wish people would just accept that and move on to more useful discussion points.
The basic physics denies the global warming model. The basic physics states that CO2 contributes to only 1/3 of the observed warming trend, according to the last IPCC report.
What is left is an empirical observation of a coincidence.
The authors referred to chose the 1990 prediction to compare to their calculated slope because it was the lowest of several projections. More recent predictions gave higher values, which do not accommodate the near zero change over the last 15 years.
Also note that the authors made "adjustments" in the data to to "reflect naturally occurring fluctuations in global temperature averages".
So what you are saying is "The models are wrong".
Self-proclaimed 'skeptics' said the same 20 years ago. They were proven wrong: the models were right. Those that remain unconvinced are not true skeptics. They are deniers.
How exactly do you measure suns intensity millions of years ago?
As far as I know the sun looses mass and converts it to energy.
Millions of years ago sun had more mass/fuel to burn and therefore shinned much more brightly that today. How exactly do get the 80% of todays intensity?
And still a brighter sun might mean increased temperature->more clouds->more rain less radiation....
I still dont get why putting carbon trapped in oil underneath the earth back in circulation of life is a bad thing for us as speices
Your ideas of solar evolution are on par with your ideas about climate change. Sun burns hydrogen and produces helium. This makes it brighter and larger as it gets older. To give you a good analogy, 60 years we had more fossil fuels available, but we use more of them today. Stars like the Sun, warm up as they age, reach the status of a red dwarf and then collapse.
Wow, what can one come up with while sleepy... Red giant of course.
Archimedes a couple of thousand years ago... used mirrors to set roman ships ablaze...
Attempts to reproduce his achievement today had mixed success... you need hundreds of shield/mirrors to set a single sail ablaze... defeating a fleet looks unlikely.... unless the sun was brighter a couple of thousands years ago.
Maybe we even do not need so many commodities.Every day we see countries and retailers promte products to civilians with whatever possible methods. That's crazy and terrible! If we cut down this kind of consumption,some other goods' production would be decrease as well, and it would be not necessary to worry about some aspects of climate change.But I know human beings will not stop or slow down what they are processing now,whatsoever,that's the destination we are running for without retreat. Just pray when that day comes.
As it is rightly observed in this article, climate change on account of global warming may be a debatable issue but fact remains that unpredictable climatic conditions have made people engaged in all professions very vulnerable to unpredictable storms, weather changes and heavy or scanty rain falls. In India too we have seen how the consumers at large have to put up with adverse weather conditions and sudden shortages of commodities of daily use and more particularly with the rising prices of food items. But unfortunately we who live in the developing world are the poor victims of uncontrolled use of petrol and other non-renewable sources of energy by the rich countries in the world. Our government has been actively saying in so many international conferences that the developed countries have to cap their energy consumption but with very little impact. Time has now come for the rich countries to accept that the climate change is a direct result of uncontrolled and very massive use of hydro-carbon based fuels and take steps to reduce energy consumption. That is the only hope for the human community the world over.
Why accept an unproven assertion? Why make sacrifices when the two largest contributors refuse to reduce carbon output?
There is a straightforward solution that could make dramatic reductions in carbon output. We need to use available capital resources in the most effective manner. That would lead to an abandonment of investment in high capital solar energy and redirecting those resources to a conversion from coal to natural gas and nuclear power. Natural gas, the cheapest path, requires 1/20 (or less) the same capital investment as solar energy for the same ENERGY (not peak power) production, and cuts carbon output in half. Nuclear energy is more expensive, but eliminates carbon output. Neither are intermittent energy producers, requiring additional redundant capital investment.
Advocates of solar energy clearly have an agenda that contradicts a goal to effectively reduce carbon output. What is their agenda? Who knows.
Great idea... when we make some parts of the planet uninhabitable, we will move elsewhere.
This nomadic style maybe worked for small communities with limited impact, but we can make the whole Earth a barren toxic desert within a few generations.
Cue the hate and bile from American conservatives whenever the subject of climate change comes up. The American Conservative Creed is: "Science is only valid if we decide to accept it as such, and we don't."
If Republicans ever return to power, they will be able to back their unscientific beliefs with nuclear warheads, so US citiznes would better THINK before voting.
Climate change is the ultimate threat to their worldview. Admitting it is true means admitting the the Free Market has failed. They'd rather sacrifice the world as we know it.
Politicization of the issue, as evidenced by comments posted here highlights the dogmatic approach to the problem used by AGW advocates. An ad honemin attack on critics is a certain indication of the weakness of the dogma.
It's no doubt that economic activity makes influences on climate change.Largely,the impact of economic activity on the environment is dominant .However, few people are willing to give up the existing excellent sources of economic or reduce their incomes.So we need the typical entrepreneur to play the lead role.And it is not enough to rely on the consciousness of the people.It's time for the government to take measures.To maintain climate to be stability,we must sacrifice something even it is significant.When necessary,the government can even keep a tough stance.Only the government has shown determination will let the people follow the implementation
It'no doubt that economic activity makes influences on climate change.Largely,the impact of economic activity on the environment is dominant .However, few people are willing to give up the existing excellent sources of economic.It is not enough to rely on the consciousness of the people.It's time for the government to take measures.To maintain climate to be stability,we must sacrifice something even it is significant.
The adaptation suggested by the authors is likely to occur following trillions of dollars being spent trying to reinforce existing shorelines and urban structures, a sunk cost of unimaginable scale.
There is a way to leverage economic growth towards climate goals.
Investment in ideas/technologies that economically productively and profitably sequester CO2/CH4 for the long term (as against CCS which is an expensive cost impost)offers real potential. Emerging strategies include building 30-40% of new urban centres with sustainably sourced cross laminated timber and the use of bio-char produced from slow pyrolysis of urban waste in increasing soil fertility.
Renewable energy, productive sequestration and a consumer society better aligned with Gunther Pali's Blue Economy is a policy mix that has the potential to deliver equitable growth and climate resilience.
This is perhaps best a private sector initiative supported by minor public sector policy nudges. There are private vehicles to stimulate investment in technologies that can make a difference, the most notable being the XPrize.
It is time to place a priority on strategies that can begin to restore the climate rather than just reduce the damage.
Campaign for an XPrize in productive sequestration.
There are some problems with this article.
Climate change is assumed to happen so fast that people are "fleeing upstate" from New York city. Get real. The changes we are experiencing will not cause a mass-migration from New York in our life time. But it makes sense that people will migrate back from a rising coastal tidal zone over time with very little economic impact. Buildings and infrastructure get old and are either updated or abandoned for more desirable locations. Which is better? Isn't that was happened in the past?
The implication that only New York, for example, can be productive, or that anywhere else is inherently unable to be as productive is not rational and does not reflect the modern model of economic development. Yes, the capital investment in NYC is great, but it can be reproduced elsewhere over time.. After all, NYC is a relatively recent invention . . .
The suggestion that "policy makers" would or could shape society in such a way as to prevent or distort the price-discovery process is likely, as they already have by providing implicit insurance against flooding by taxing everyone else and handing it over to the self-professed flood "victims." Maybe a better idea is to implement mandatory flood insurance on any flood-prone property in order to make the price-discovery more accurate and less political and move the cost to the land owner and off the taxpayers' backs? Areas of repeated flooding (and there are many such areas on the Mississippi) should be treated similarly.
But a carbon-tax is a dopey idea if indeed the problem is carbon emissions. If that is the real culprit, then carbon emissions must be eliminated, not taxed. A tax is just kicking the can down the road, allowing the rich to continue carbon emissions.
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By Neurotic Cat Person
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It was worth buying on sale. It is a comically, extremely lazy way to entertain an animal. The movement is slightly repetitive, although it's not horrible. It seems to follow the same pattern every 30 seconds, which, for a simple-looking/cheap product is fairly good. It's likely some cats will get bored/just watch after 5+ minutes. I move it around the house on various platforms/floor spaces each week/bi-weekly to make it a bit more interesting for them. It sounds like a laserjet printer, which is easily ignorable, but some people don't like noisey toys and one of my cats has a greater interest in figuring out where the laser comes from in laser-pointer toys and the sound just gave it away immediately, so he ends up pouncing the machine constantly. It is very convenient, however. Turn it on when you leave the house, on your way to the bathroom, before you go to bed.


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Teen Library Turns 5
Start Date: October 21, 2013 4:00 PM
End Date: October 26, 2013 9:00 PM
Location: Teen- Main Level (Max 75 Teens)
Help the teen library celebrate its 5th birthday! The week of the 21st, there will be games, cake, prizes and more. Stop in, write down favorite teen library memories and answer some trivia questions about The Third Place. The birthday celebration will culminate with the teen library's 3rd Annual Quidditch Tournament!


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(42) Customer Reviews
Price Range: USD $176.99 to $498.99
Passenger Cars / All Season / Ultra High Performance
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MICHELIN Pilot Sport A/S Plus tires are the only UHP tires in the Michelin lineup to offer TriFusion™ Compound - three different compounds bonded together on the tread face for superior all-weather performanceState-of-the-art directional tread pattern and wet-weather silica compound combine for extreme wet-weather control.MICHELIN Pilot Sport A/S Plus tires are the first to make use of the enhanced MaxTouch Construction™ - a tire design innovation that delivers dramatically improved tread life without sacrificing performance.
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Recently put these on my Dodge Charger RT and what a difference. Great grip on take off and stopping. Really allows the car to perform at it's optimum. Tires hug the road and allow for confident hard cornering at a higher rate of speed. Highly recommend for any sport car enthusiast.
Size: 245/45R20
Vehicle: 2008 Dodge Charger 4 Dr Sedan R/T 20" option with 80000 KM of Tire Wear
Anonymous made this review on 9/3/2014 and is a Aggressive Driver (Hard Cornering)
I purchased my 2007 Infiniti in January of 2008 with a set of Goodyear Eagle GT II with 24,000 miles on them. The ride was firm but very noisey. At 35,000 miles I replaced them with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S after a coworker told me how excellent they were on his Camry. I have to say my friend was right. The Michelin's are a great improvement and very quiet! They handle great in wet weather and stop on a dime. This is by far the best tire on the market for my car,
Size: 225/55R17
Vehicle: 2007 Infiniti G35 4 Dr Sedan Journey with 40225 KM of Tire Wear
Anonymous made this review on 7/3/2014 and is a Confident, Experienced Driver
Put A/S Sport tires on my '98 BMW Z3 when prior model tire was no longer available. Have been very happy with the tires, although as they age and their mileage climbs, they don't grip as well as when new. Have noticed only a slight increase in road noise. These tires have been on my car for 5 or 6 years and close to 100K miles, and I would buy them again w/o hesitation.
Size: 225/50R16
Vehicle: 1998 BMW Z3 2 Dr Convertible Roadster with 160900 KM of Tire Wear
Anonymous made this review on 5/21/2014 and is a Aggressive Driver (Hard Cornering)
One has got to give credit where credit is due........these are the best all season tires that I have had. I own a Subaru Outback in Toronto and have put on over 265,000 miles (426,000 kms) on the car. I am now at the end of my fourth set of tires and only regret is that they no longer make this in my size (225/60R16). An absolutely great tire in the dry and wet and it handles magnificently. In the snow......well....not for spirited driving but I have gotten by for a number of winters with lots of snow without any i.ssues
Size: 225/60R16
Vehicle: 2001 Subaru Outback 4 Dr Wagon Base with 80000 KM of Tire Wear
Anonymous made this review on 5/20/2014 and is a Aggressive Driver (Hard Cornering)
My poor bmw 7 series ride, Paid full price for set of stagger tires (4), the tires are chunking (coming apart) less than 10000 mi.The tire shop did not have temp tires to put on waiting on replacements, and did not take off thinking more damage to the tire would occur, will not hold air. These tires started out fine, are know beating the suspension to death.This is second time Americas tires sent me down the road with certificate in hand.Unsafe traveler??, what do think.???
Size: 275/40R19
Vehicle: 15286 KM of Tire Wear
Anonymous made this review on 4/21/2014 and is a Confident, Experienced Driver
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Meaning & Origins
Originally a pet form of John, but now a well‐established given name in its own right. It is derived from Middle English Jankin, later altered to Jackin, from Jan (a contracted form of Jehan 'John') + the diminutive suffix -kin. This led to the back-formation Jack, as if the name had contained the Old French diminutive suffix -in. It is sometimes also used as an informal pet form of James, perhaps influenced by the French form Jacques. It has been the most popular boys' name in England and Wales since 1995. Well-known bearers include the actor Jack Nicholson (b. 1937) and the golfer Jack Nicklaus (b. 1940). See also Jock and Jake.
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German (Übell): variant spelling of Uebel.
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Jackie, Jacki, Jacky, Jackey, Jackye, Jackee, Jacke, Jackso, Jacks, Jackque
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Not too much new footage, but I've watched it twice again already.
Iron Man 3 arrives May 3, 2013
After The Avengers, does anyone else seem to find it a little silly that any of these guys would be taking on anything by themselves ever again? Like, at least have Capt. come help Tony out or something like that. I realize this is the plan and the way it's gonna go with more solo movies and I'm not complaining or anything. Just something I started thinking about pretty much right as I was walking out of the theater after seeing The Avengers. I mean, isn't The Mandarin basically trying to do the same thing Loki was trying to do? Take over the world? Again, just a thought that had been rattling around my brain for a while. Not trying to stir anything up.
No. It's just like in the comics a lot of the stuff happens simultaneously. So they're all handling their handle at the same time
still waiting on the man of steel trailer....iron man 3 looking good so far,.. and after watching the new JJA, Star trek trailer i'm thinking he's the one that can pull of the JLA, movie...
I'm read Iron Man 3. The Man of Steel may have promise and as far as the trailer for Star Trek... MEH!!!!. I'm just not a fan of the Star Wars approach to Star Trek. I'll be there opening night to watch JJ Abrahams movie, but I just don't feel he has the right idea of the show. As far as him in the JLA movie... I think that would be the best bet for DC.
I gotcha, Wise. You can tell I never read comic books. That thought had crossed my mind though. I was just thinking in a real world scenario you would think SOMEONE would come help him out. Even if it's just Hawkeye or Black Widow. But I get how they each have their own battles both personally and on the broader scope. Again, not complaining. Just something that had been rattling around in my brain since Avengers.
Eh... I liked the more somber tone of the original trailer. The "actionish" music in the background totally throws it off, IMO..


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The Swift in Cork is a shoulder bag specifically for knitters and crafty types, designed by Tom in collaboration with the readers of Knitty® magazine. The tote-bag design allows its contents to be easily found: you'll never have to waste time searching inside deep caverns for small lost items. The Swift in Cork is made out of real cork fabric from Portugal. Cork fabric is a durable, handsome material made from real cork bark. Cork fabric holds up exceptionally well over time, and the darker sections of its pattern will deepen and become richer with age. Cork is known for the sustainability of its production. Harvesting of the cork bark is performed by hand and does not harm the tree. After harvest, a new layer of cork bark will grow, and the tree will be ready for harvest again ten years later. Oak woodlands in Spain and Portugal, known as dehesas or montados, have been used to produce cork and graze livestock for hundreds of years, making them a haven for wild birds and the endangered Iberian Lynx.
Pet/animal hair does not stick to Cork and the "lining" of the Cork fabric is very soft and nonabrasive to fibers. And due to the natural variation in cork, no two Swifts in Cork will be alike.
The Swift Story: In 2005, we held a contest with Knitty® magazine and asked their readers to tell us everything they would like to see in the ultimate knitting bag — from colors, materials, and style of bag to functionality, accessories, and size. We received a flood of entries and suggestions. Tom made a few prototypes and sent them off to the editors of Knitty® for review; they responded with their ideas and thoughts. And, when the final design was ready for debut, the editors of Knitty® held a naming party. Many great names were suggested, but the winning entry was chosen because it has significance to knitters but doesn't designate the bag as solely for knitting: it's a great bag for all kinds of crafts, and many folks will find its clear pockets and stuff sack useful features in an everyday bag. Special thanks go to Amy and all the editors and readers of Knitty® magazine: we (really) couldn't have done it without you. |
Inside the Swift in Cork are two clear urethane pockets backed with our Japanese Dyneema®/nylon ripstop fabric. The pockets mirror each other, and they close with strong #8 YKK zippers. Above one of these pockets you'll find an
The included Medium Yarn Stuff Sack (Clear Bottom, in Steel) is made of the same Dyneema®/nylon ripstop fabric that backs the clear urethane pockets of the Swift in Cork. This Yarn Stuff Sack can accommodate a large ball of yarn. It has a drawstring top, and it includes a feature knitters will immediately notice as indispensable: a triangular clip open/close grommet to feed yarn through. The clear urethane bottom allows you to quickly see what the Yarn Stuff Sack contains.
Additional Yarn Stuff Sacks, available in a wide variety of sizes and colors, are available for purchase here.
The remaining interior of the Swift in Cork is devoted to space: lots of it. For custom organization, add Clear Organizer Pouches or Clear Quarter Packing Cubes. A button closure secures the top of the bag, which, unlike a zipper, won't fray yarn or projects. The handles are the ideal length for carrying in hand or on the shoulder, with the highest quality PORON® foam padding them.
A smaller version of the Swift in Cork — The Little Swift in Cork — is available. Also available are the Swift and The Little Swift, both available in a variety of fabrics and color combinations.
Knitty® is a registered trademark of Knitty magazine, used with permission.
Cork fabric from Portugal |
.016" clear urethane inside pocket fronts |
200 denier Dyneema�/nylon ripstop inside pocket backs |
#8 YKK coil zippers on pockets |
PORON® foam handles |
Made in USA |
100% finished seams |
Dimensions: 7.5" x 12.5" x 13.5" / 190 x 320 x 340 mm |
Weight: 1 lb 3 oz / 545 grams |
Volume: 950 cubic inches / 15.5 liters (ASTM Standard Measure) |
As reviewed by indigodragonfly:
"This bag holds A LOT! To give you an idea of how much, I�ve filled the main compartment of the bag with 8 balls of yarn, the finished Tilted Duster and a copy of Knitting Nature, along with everyday things like my wallet and glasses. The bag is fill about 2/3 of the way to the top. I wouldn�t want to put much more in it, because it would make access to the pockets a little difficult. Yes! The pockets. The bag has 2 big zippered pockets with a clear vinyl front so you can see what you put in them. The back of the pockets are lined with the Dyneema nylon which has a dark grey background and white grid. Very easy to see what�s in the pockets. I use one pocket for everyday items like my glasses and cell phone� " Read the full review.
As reviewed by Lapdog Creations:
"Swift's spacious tote design was well thought out, allowing for easy access to what you put in - and want to take out without calling in the search hounds - the bag. Nothing is going to get lost at the bottom or in a tiny dark corner of this bag - not even the dog treats! The entire interior design has been devoted to space and organization - two more factors in finding my perfect knitting bag." Read the full review.
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Swift in Cork - Perfect
"I just received my pre-ordered Swift in Cork and - WOW. It's bigger than I was expecting (which I like) and the swath of cork trimmed in black is beyond beautiful. It stands upright on its own and the handles are more than long enough to slip over my shoulder, even with it filled. It is simply a stunning bag.
I ordered the Swift even though I don't knit primarily because of the cork but also because I wanted a bag to throw a couple of books in, maybe my little Acer Aspire One, my Kindle, or any of my other take-alongs. My stainless water bottle sits perfectly in one end, held in place by a small carbiner-esque clip, with plenty of room to spare for all my other goodies. " — posted by Foggy Morn
Swift Steel/Steel Ballistic - LOVE IT!!!!
"Just received the regular size Swift in Steel/Steel Ballistic, and I can't say enough about this color combination! The steel is much darker than shown on my monitor and that was a pleasant surprise. It is gorgeous - a very rich color. I can see this bag not only as my knitting bag but also my daily carryall. I added the Guardian Dual Function Light, two colored key straps with 2 clear organizer pouches and a tall yarn sack. What else can I say - it's perfect!!! Hope to see the Little Swift made in this same combination. Thanks, Tom Bihn!" — posted by Wishnfarm
Swift another winning TB bag!
"First look out of the box it seemed smaller than I expected. But once the 15 skeins of yarn for the afghan went in and my Vogue Knitting book and folder with patterns and all the misc. tools of the trade into the clear pockets and my active projects in the quarter packing cube, the Swift filled out nicely. Mine is ballistic and holds its smooth shape well as I kept packing in more and more yarn. I'm really pleased with how much it holds. So much nicer beside the chair than the old brown grocery bag." — posted by Skylark
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Use this set of two chargers under ceramic dinner plates or to upgrade your centerpieces. Artfully crafted from lightweight organic bamboo and rattan by Core Bamboo, these chargers can be mixed and matched for a festive, multicolored look.
Set of 2 chargers. All Core Bamboo products are made by an experienced team of artisans in a safe and responsible work environment. The company uses 100% organically grown bamboo and food-safe water based adhesives. Products are finished with top grade natural oils. Every product adheres to the standards of the FDA and its European equivalent.
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