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: Is sniping possible?
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Sniping in Paintball
OK i know that the topic of sniping has been pounded into the ground, that is why i made this forum, because I feel that it is possible to snipe in paintball as long as one has a realistic definition of sniping. I will explain to you what my definition is and why it is that way, if you disagree with anything i say then say so and say why, because simply saying "ur a n00b" does not solve anything.
My definition of a sniper:
1. a sniper usually uses a highly customized marker, normally a very accurate one with a long or specialized barrel. Normally semi - automatic markers like Tippmans or pumps (i can't think of any examples right now, sorry) are used
2. Sights, scopes and other aiming devices are not required to make a sniper, as these are for the most part useless
with paintball markers
3. snipers
not play speedball with their sniping setup, as sniping in speedball is suicide
4. snipers
use camoflage or ghillie suits, or at least clothes that blend in with their surroundings
5.a sniper is
supposed to be
very patient and chooses his shots very carefully, using a minimum of paintballs
6. a good sniper
should be
skilled in stealth, long range shooting, evasion of alerted enemies,
snapshooting, calculating where their first shot's going and basic light infantry tactics (not necessarily training) anyone lacking these skills isn't really a sniper in my book
7. snipers
use silencers (which will not be discussed in great length, because of forum rules)
A sniper will move often during a game to get a better shot or complete an objective, if a "sniper" doesn't move then they're not a sniper
Things not necessary to snipe:
1. scopes - just because he has no scope does not mean he isn't a sniper
2. a 21" barrel - it is just n00bish stupidity to think that a 21" is necessary to snipe, as that long a barrel will contribute little to accuracy as increased friction will negate much of the benefit
Also 21" barrels are very clumsy and hard to aim on the move (not good in paintball)
3. greater range than a "normal" marker - in real life sniper rifles have the same range as normal guns, it is just that they are constructed to be more accurate at long range (like the Russian SVD, it is almost identical to the AK-47 but has finer parts, a longer barrel and more customization)
Please read this definition before posting, if i find anyones points make sense then i will update my definition. An if you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that sniping is impossible then i will declare you a god.
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I will agree, this topic has been tested before...you're asking for a flame war (hopefully it won't happen, but I am a student of history and history on these forums show us it probably will). That said, I would like to amend a few points:
A highly customizable gun is not neccessary for sniping in PB or in combat by your definition. In combat, an M-16A2 can be used to snipe if the shooter knows what he is doing, and there is nothing customized on it. In paintball, since I don't have a problem seeing the 200 ft that my ball may eventually get to off the hop (I always estimate 100-150 feet for maximum target range), I don't need any special equipment to make that shot. I have a longer barrel, but that is another story...I use it because of my setup and how I shoot.
I can hide with a bright hunter's orange jacket just as well as with camouflage. It depends on how much movement you have to catch your opponent's attention.
Finally: snipers (real snipers) don't use silencers. That is a good old fashioned myth courtesy of Hollywood and the video game industry.
Your intentions are good, and I think you set foot on a good path to argue it, but the diversity here is too great and there are many differing opinions as to what a sniper is. I go by the historical definition of a sniper that has evolved from WWI, but somebody else might go by more of the classical "sharpshooter" aspect (which is anything but a sniper, but that is another thread). I suggest that you play your way and forget what anybody else says. Besides, it sounds like you are convinced of this anyway so what should our opinion matter?
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As much as it goes against my judgement I'm going to let this thread stay open for a little while.
Please keep it civil gentlemen. I really don't feel like having to come back preach about maturity and all of that stuff to a bunch of people who should ALL know better. In fact I may just skip straight to being down-right mean.
Bottomline: This thread stays b/c I'm feeling giving, if you want to be the one to mess it up go ahead...I dare ya.
As for my opinion, sniping is around in scenarios and woodsball. While there are many who call themselves "snipers", very few are actually good enough to deserve the nomenclature.
There is no such thing as a sniper in speedball, the style of game play is prohibitve to those kinds of tactics.
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We need to agree on a definition.
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we will never get
here to agree on one
truth is, most everyone starting off w/ rec / woodsball goes through their sniper phase. Usually this is because the cinemas places a lot of emphasis in war movies on them, and make make them seem super cool and untouchable. Who wouldn't want to be that? Play a few years on a lot of fields and you'll understand sooner or later that it will simply never be like that.
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I voted sniping in all cases. Because sometimes I do eliminate people in one shot (when I am flanking them pfffft), of course it's after I covered the width of the entire field and I am trying to sweep up what's left.
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Here's some things to ponder Shep about the sniper title...I know, I know, semantics shemantics, but hey, what is in a name right? (okay, enough of the proverbs and clichés)...
A sniper by the military sense is one who has numerous mathematical computations memorized (or readily available) to compute out exact adjustments for range, wind, temperature, humidity, how much pressure in the air (sort of like humidity, but more like mountatin versus flatlands), and the round being used. Now, granted you could in theory create these formulas, I highly doubt that you will have that much consistency in even one hopper of paintballs let alone an entire box. If you use CO2, then you increase another variable's unreliability. See where I am going?
What about using the term "sharpshooter" or marksman? Hey, originally the "snipers" in the Civil War were called Sharpshooters, because they used the Sharps 1859 rifle which had a high level of accuracy and good range, but these units did not have anywhere close to 100% accuracy. I mean, if you hit 100% with an M-16 you are called a "marksman," not a sniper. Basic combat in woodlands also forces you to use camouflage (in fact, it is outlined in my ROTC manual), so does that make every soldier a sniper?
I hope this opens up just a few of the flaws with your assessment. Like I said, you are welcome to challenge me or call yourself whatever, but it should explain at least one of my reservations about such a title.
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You'll get the speedball players flaming that there are no snipers, you'll get the new players with their tippman sniper package saying they are snipers because they play in their back yard, you'll get the rec woodsball players who agree there can be snipers but usually not enough time in a rec game to make them count, and then you'll get the scenario players who agree that there are snipers because they've seen them in action at scenarios.
Personally I think you can be a paintball sniper in woods ball (never in speedball unless you're on the sidelines cheating
), but you won't be effective unless you have time to set up and get into a good position....ie. scenario games.
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OK, let the clarification begin:
apjunkie is basically right about the biases he's listed; they are kinda generalized but nevertheless is right: speedballers tend to be non-believers, rec-ballers tend to believe to some degree, and the scenario gamers and backyard Tippman champs believe 100%.
As far as the military definition of the sniper goes, Cadet2005 is completely right, but no matter what people do the term sniper will always be used to label players who should, in reality be called marksmen. The only reason I use the term sniper is that it is widely recognized and associated with accurate shooting. Anyways, it isn't really possible to create these formula's, like you said, but instinct and training in snapshooting along with a little mental math can simulate this to the needed (IMO) extent, as headshots and extreme accuracy are only necessary in the real world.
Suprisingly the post I found most relevant was Coenen's, I think he's on to something, after all we have all seen someone call themselves a sniper (I have yet to see our area's sniper in action though, still too cold) but quite frankly most of the ones I've read about here seem kinda n00bish, like the backyard Tippman champs
, with their 21" barrels and "sniper scopes" i.e. a Crossman pellet rifle scope. Also his comment on speedball being prohibitive of sniping tactics is dead on, unless the game is all but won and it is becoming a mop-up operation.
Also I noticed a slight problem in your reasoning Cadet2005:
Quote #1:
I can hide with a bright hunter's orange jacket just as well as with camouflage. It depends on how much movement you have to catch your opponent's attention.
Quote #2:
Basic combat in woodlands also forces you to use camouflage (in fact, it is outlined in my ROTC manual), so does that make every soldier a sniper?
Basically the two quotes contradict, but when viewed individually make sense...BTW no offense is intended, I understand what you mean but it illustrates one of my points which was originally questioned, when you are hiding from people who want to light you up its best to err on the side of caution and have camoflage, just like it tells you in the manual for the most powerful Military in the world.
Anyways...I will update my definition again, check it out, maybe someday we will be able to get some agreement.
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Basically what I was saying is that this thread will turn out like the hundred's of thousands of "Sniper" threads posted on various message boards throughout the paintball internet world. This is my 5th year playing, 3rd being truly active in the game, and I've already seen hundreds of these threads. Every single one of those threads end up with people posting the same old arguments and end up flaming each other by the 4th or 5th page. That's why the mods should sticky the best sniper thread and have the same rule apply as it does with silencer threads.
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I'll give it some thought, but the worship doesn't hurt.
We'll see how this one goes, if it stays the way its been I'll sticky it.
I'm not exactly surprised that you thought my opinion was one of the most relevant. Like most who have been around this forum for a while I've heard this argument an awful lot. That means a lot of chances to form and refine one's opinion.
We'll let this go for a little longer and then sticky it. Thanks for playing nice guys.
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Now the tricky part
OK, I decided to give you people a little bit of a warning before you decide customize your gun for sniping, this is serious stuff, this is not going to be cheap or easy and you should already have a fair understanding of paintball and it's mechanics. Personally I recommend playing a lot before trying to snipe, as you will need some expirience in sneaking, accurate shooting and concealement. This sort of stuff is not for newbies.
OK, so we got a good start, once again, I don't mind constructive criticism on any of my work, now it's time for the heavy work. So, here's what a sniper needs/should have. (tactics will come later)
The Marker and marker accesories
OK, this is a major point of contention, but it should also be relatively easy to solve. I will list the basic guidelines that a person who wishes to be a sniper should follow.
1. The most desirable trait in a marker meant for sniping is consistency (which mostly means good paint, but that will come later), without consistency their is no possible way that a sniper will get the single shot eliminations he craves. This means that a sniper will want
at the very least a anti-siphon tank and a regulator. High pressure air and nitrogen powered markers with regulators, are preferrable though.
2. Accuracy is another consideration when buying a marker, this is not usually a problem though, as one of the most important factors in accuracy is the barrel, which most of the time can be easily changed for a more accurate one. The only other real consideration (that I can think of that is directly marker related) is length, naturally the 21" sniper is popular, but personally I find that most people agree when I say that that large a barrel is definitely more of a hindrance than it is worth, it has been proven to be just as accurate as any other 12" or longer barrel and is very unwieldy. One option definitely worth considering is a barrel kit, which will allow a precise match of the barrel's inner diameter to the paint's outer diameter, improving accuracy greatly. Another barrel that is slightly more useful is the flatline, I have read many reviews and it seems that it is OK, as it makes shots arc less (hence flatline), but I've also heard the maximum effective range is decreased, so try before you buy. To sum it up: try out different barrels, look at the reviews here a PBreview and don't fall for marketing gimmicks, buy yourself a good 12"-16" barrel and enjoy.
3. A good sniper will use a hopper modified so it will not make much noise when shaken. This is accomplished by glueing thick, lint-free cloth to the inside. Although special care must be taken with motorized hoppers so as not to interfere with the feeding mechanism.
4. Optics are a good idea for sniper's, generally the most effective scope to use is a simple pellet rifle scope with a small magnification factor, it should not be used to target, but instead to scout area's ahead of your position and get a better picture of the situation.
5. Optics are normally mounted on a sight rail, but as many marker's are vertical feed, this can be problematic. To compensate you can put a custom 3/4" mount on the side of your marker (make sure it's not on crooked).
6. Make sure your marker is not a flashy, chrome coloured one. The best kind of paint job is dark, muted tones, and preferrably more than one colour (although one is acceptable). Then, further camoflage should be added, like a ghillie wrap (although I'm not a fan of burlap, it's too hard to sew/cut/shape, creates dust and smells. So it's not too good to put on a marker) or a camoflage pullover.
7. Your marker should be modified so that it is as comfortable as possible in your hands. Some idea's are:
- comfortable grips so your hands don't cramp up, which is really bad when taking a long range shot
- a remote line (to lessen the weight of the marker), which makes for ease of shooting, although some perople prefer the tank to brace against their shoulder
- Remove any useless parts, like a top mounted sightrail on a vertical feed (unless it actually holds something)
- Maybe lightened internals, to reduce movement while firing (be careful, a delrin bolt will swell if it is lubed, so some markers may be better of with an aluminum bolt, if they are messy)
- use a small tank if you're in a short game
- a small hopper isn't a bad idea, with a couple of spare pods and the pods should have some sort of wadding in them to prevent the balls from moving and making noise
- A carrying strap can be handy in some situations
- A simple bipod might be a good idea, as it makes careful shooting easier
- A good trigger and grip frame is a very wise investment, a good e-grip or very finely tuned mech trigger will provide a much more responsive trigger pull. Also the grip should be comfortable in your hand
Ok, paintballs is easy. When your a sniper nothing but the most high-quality paint you can afford will touch your marker. If you have problems with this then do something else. The good part is that when your a sniper you should use less paint (hopefully) and so shelling over more money for the good stuff is not much of a problem. If you don't know whats good enough then look through the reviews section, or ask a field manager or proshop owner. From what I've seen Draxxus or Evil should work perfectly, but check the reviews and paint/barrel forums for more info.
Also, you will have to check to make sure that the paintballs fit your barrel well, there is plenty of info on the forums here, all you have to do is use the search function. What I've been told is that if a paintball can be placed in your barrel and then blown through with relative ease then it's a good size. Naturally you should shoot some to make sure the paintball is the right size though.
Paintballs should also be carried in pods with some wadding (lint-free cloth) in the top to keep the balls from breaking or making noise, and when you fill your hopper, put some more wadding in the pod to occupy the space the balls were in (unless the pod is empty, then it doesn't make a difference)
When choosing camoflage the best thing to do is be realistic: the realtree stuff looks cool and all but it is not really effective when people are close as it is sometimes too distinct and sharp (why else wouldn't the U.S. military use it, it's not like their cheap, as they account for 1/3 of the world's total military spending). A far better bet is something simple like the camoflage you see on BDU's, as the point of camoflage is not to look like a patch of brush (realtree), but to blend in with the brush and become an indistinct mass. The main consideration when doing this is colour, you should only wear green camo during the summer, during fall and spring go with yellow and during winter you should wear white, grey and light blue.
Ghillie Suits
These are the hallmark of any sniper. Also they are often the target of much hatred, as these wonderful bush look-alikes tend to bounce paintballs. When buying or making a suit you will want several things
1. It must not be too thick, you do not want to be sweating like a pig all day in a over-thick suit, also it helps to keep people happy if your suit does not bounce balls, as if it does they will be slightly resentful and will light you up if you are seen. It also helps when you are crawling if your suit does not catch on everything and drag it along for a ride (although a little catching is not bad, it helps to collect natural camoflage and further hide you).
2. You must have some natural camoflage on your suit, like freshly picked leaves and branches and such.
3. You must waterproof and fireproof your suit, all you have to do is buy certain chemicals and wash your suit in them (I've only heard them mentioned, sorry for being so vague).
4. Ghillie suits tend to be awkward, hot and sometimes noisy, so when you want cover, but do not need to move, you could use a (green) sheet, dyed with different shades of green, olive and brown, and then attach burlap and twine like you would a ghillie suit. This will create a ghillie blanket, which can be unrolled when you find a good spot and rolled when you want to move.
Shoes are a big thing, you will need some good athletic quality shoes like cleats, and they must not be brightly coloured, nothing will give you away better than white nike's
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Okay Here's My :2Cents:
Alright growing up with a father in the Marine Corps (Considered the best snipers in the world by most of the UN countries). Alot of war and weapons analysis took place in my lifetime. I at one point asked him what makes a sniper because we just finished watching the movie sniper.
First of all all Military forces wear camouflage, that doesn't make a sniper. A sniper has advanced training and practice with non-general issue camouflage (i.e. ghillie suits). So just wearing a wal-mart "Advantage camo shirt" doesn't make you a sniper.
The .308 rifle, that Marine Corp Snipers use, is standard issue for all Marine snipers. The only thing that is adjusted is the stock, which has different risers, and butt plate lengths to fit the sniper like a glove. So that could translate into a heavily modified Paintball gun, to fit the PB snipers shooting style like a glove.
Marine Corp Snipers are trained at Quantico, VA. They are trained to take shots up to 1000+ yards. However, that is only a small part of the total training. 80% of the program is dedicated to stealth, concealment, egress and regress.
As a qualifying exam a sniper must in a field with spotters shoot a target and remain undetected for a certain period of shots. Not at a 1000yards mind you, but more along the range of 300 yards and in. This is well with in the normal range of any general issue rifle for the military. So that easily translates into fact that all paintball guns shoot within roughly the same range.
So a modern day sniper in the real military sense is someone that is more capable of remaining undetected while stationary and almost undetectable while moving, which was 80% of their training, than taking shots well out of the range of standard issue weapons.
I know people will flame me for sure, but under mine and my father's (22 years in the Marine Corps, several of those posted at Quantico), definition of a sniper they can exist in paintball. If you don't believe me, next time you are playing woods ball and you are walking along and you feel a sting on your chest, or you goggles are covered in paint, and you don't see where they are at just remember paintball snipers don't exist, right?
As a matter of fact on the history channel you can catch a show every so often on marine corps snipers that will support all the information i just gave, except for my references to the PB world of course.
Please feel free to inform me of gaps whether adding to my definition or punching holes through mine. I won't argue, but I will take and listen to your side, and will add to this definition.
Edit: I do not consider myself a sniper, just for those that are wondering, I am more of a SWAT tactic style player, I have no clue what mods on a PB gun make it more consistent, more accurate and more precise. I do however, know the Modern Day Definition of a Sniper according to the Sniper Training School, that all SWAT, FBI, CIA, and Various other federal dept. snipers of the gov't will spend some time in if not all their training time in.
I also do feel that the term sniper is deserving for a few individuals, who dedicate their style of play to absolute concealment, and do not run and gun. The term however, seems to be used more and more by rich kids who have been romanticized on the idea of a sniper and go out and buy the longest barrel, the most "accurate" marker, and so forth. That doesn't make a sniper, what makes a sniper in PB is someone that has dedicated himself to camouflage, concealment, and stalking ones opponent for quite possibly for hours, in BIG games, or Scenario games for that one Day Making shot, that will be talked about for weeks afterwards.
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cdwilliams, good post, well thought-out argument, but you have the same loopholes everybody else does. Just because I am concealed for hours on end doesn't make me a sniper...in real combat, I could be an LRRP, SEAL, Ranger, basic rifle squad with an ambush assignment or a smart L-Tee who is aware of an enemy presence, etc, but none of us may be good shots. We see one guy, my best shooter takes a shot, he drops, life goes on...in paintball, it might be someone who can hide really well and just gets a good shot and takes it, that's intelligence, not sniping. We see one guy, my best shooter takes a shot, he drops, life goes on. That isn't sniping, that is ambushing. It is a fine line, but given that range and consistency is one of the most important characteristics of a sniper, I have to question that definition.
As for the recommendations, here are some things to consider about your proposal:
I can't tell you how many times I see "snipers" with CO2...umm, no. It is too responsive to air temperature regarding its phase and therefore could be difficult to have pressure at the same level throughout an entire game or even games week after week unless you play in an indoor environment that is very climate-controlled. HPA would have to be a must, but as the tank runs empty, you lose some pressure. How does a "sniper" compensate then?
Another factor is the barrel length. Yes, I will agree a better barrel is good, but that doesn't always mean better accuracy. Like you mentioned, paint comes into play, and if you break a ball, now you fouled up any remote indications of a system you once had. If the bore is bigger than the field paint, then what? If you get a bad batch of your favorite paint or if one is deformed? These are things to consider when considering the title of sniper. A sniper has physical and mathematical answers for nearly every one of the potential variables thrown at them. What are your calculations?
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Yes I did leave out something. Seal are in teams of 6, A rifle Company is a team of 20-30 sometimes but rarely more. A sniper unit is in Doubles but more likely than not singles, who are lone units.
Also snipers do not shoot everything that most "snipers" in PB shoot. A sniper is trained to take out or literally "assasinate" (which is why snipers at least the Marine Corps ones have a bad rapport with other types of units). So just because he sees some guy with a rental say in a woods ball game that doesn't mean he is going to take him out. Save that for the other guys, what he would go for is either fellow "snipers", or other players with expierence. To eliminate key individuals is the snipers job. In scenario ball the sniper has an even better opportunity, since the game play is much much longer.
And the Paragraph about the 1000+ yard training was supposed to signify that these guys are well above the average shot, sorry that didn't make much sense.
The only thing that is close to this description is a seal team. They do have snipers on their teams with .50 cal rifles. However, guess what kinda of sniper training those guys received... thats right...training in Quantico, VA right along side of the Marines. The only difference is a Seal Sniper protects his other units at the maximum range. This could easily be concidered a person on a team that flanks to the side, during a prolong shooting period and takes out key people, unnoticed, and at maximum range of a paintball gun. This is where the key to me is, UNNOTICED.
Rifle Squads, and so forth have a different mantra all together. More ammo, more rifles, to kill more things. Thats why Rifle squads, and companies are the ones that are sent out on "Search and Destroy" or "Sweep and Clear." They will try and take out any available target. So a rifle squad can't be called a sniper unit, even in ambush, because it violates the 1 to 2 person guideline, and if its in groups like a seal team then he still is a sniper, however, his role is to take out key individuals that are either pinning down their fellow teammates, or are the key target all together for the team.
Also the Mantra of a sniper "One Shot, One Kill" is only a guideline, Snipers do miss for miscalculation in math or an inconsistency he didn't take into effect, its rare, but I am told it does happen. A sniper will take controlled shots, until he is discovered, or he feels that the enemy is honing in on his posistion. So a PB sniper that misses the first shot doesn't always make him not a sniper. The rounds that we put down our barrel are the in consistency that we deal with.
Please read my previous lengthy post before you read this one, simply so you will hear the whole argument.
Thanks Cadet for showing me some things I forgot. I was writing this at work. I want to try and get those that don't think PB snipers don't exist to just know all the facts before they start popping off with movie "facts" from all the war movies they have seen, and using the extreme examples of what movies show as a sniper. Which is what most of it I have always read through out all the 100's of threads i have read about snipers.
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the real definition of a sniper.
ok here is a quote from a well respected sniper from the vietnam war era some of you may know him his name is Carlos Hatcock, " The sniper is the big game hunter of the battlefield, and he needs all the skills of a woodsman, marksman, hunter, and poacher. He must possess the field craft to be able to position himself for a killing shot, and he must be able to effectivley place a single bullet into his intended target."
Ok now for my definition: a sniper is someone who not just shoots a single shot to kill someone. a sniper is a scout. he is an infromant for the rest of his team. marksmanship is not what makes a sniper. knowing how to stay invisible to your enemy is what makes a sniper. some of the most important things in sniping are cover/concelment( 2 diff things wich i dont feel like explaining but if you want me to pm me) movement, and also the snipers surroundings. if you go into the feild with the idea that a sniper is just an expert marsmen then your wrong. i personally somtimes dont shoot in a game if i dont have to. i do a lot o frecon work when i play. i identify enemy positions an radio back to the rest of my team. now with that said im ready for some comments.....lol
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You couldn't have picked a better MARINE sniper than Carlos Hatcock. Big ups to you. That quote comes from a sniper as the definition of what a sniper is. You can't get more real than that.
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yea he's probabbly the definition of a marine let a lone a sniper.
one other thing id like to add if your really into sniping in pb you should check out
its all bout snipers and scouts in pb.
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The entire idea is dumb.
1. From 50 yards, at the best, we're looking at maybe fifty-fifty chance if the shooter is a good marksmen. I saw one guy shoot from 40 yards or so and was able to hit every 2-4 shots. Then, breaking...from 5 yards, balls can still bounce off a human target.
2. From 50 yards, where you wouldn't even want to shoot, camouflage and concealment are greatly reduced since even the smallest part of the body hanging out (shape) can easily be distinguished.
3. Any scouting advantages are usually blown. Radios are not usually encrypted, so the other team knows that you are there and can start searching and knows what you know now so can change it. From there, the dynamic nature of the field makes it so that whatever information you gather is usually old in around five to ten minutes.
4. Stalking on target for any length of time beyond an hour is somewhat wasteful. Why? Okay, pop a general, get a few points, big deal. The other team just blew up your headquarters.
5. Players just re-insert.
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I do have a question for you "snipers:" do you work alone or in pairs?
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I think there will be a type of files.app, and will be announced along with iPhone 5. We already know for certain not every iOS6 enhancement has not be implemented or announced. I think they are saving a couple of additional big features to go along with the iPhone announcement... I hope... :)
iOS 6 and why we got Passbook instead of Files.app
At WWDC 2012, Apple Senior Vice President of iOS, Scott Forstall, did NOT announce the following:
Next up is a brand new app we're calling Files
Now Files is:
The simplest way to get all of your documents in one place
There are a lot of really great apps in the app store that let you create and edit documents, text files, spreadsheets, and presentations, inside apps. There are Apple's own iWork apps, as well as some competitors, and a host of note-taking and text-editing apps that all let you work with documents right in the apps.
Now this is great but the problem is, when you need to find a document you have to try to remember which app you created it, hope you still have it installed, fumble around your Home screen to find the app, and then find the document or not within the app.
So Files takes all of these documents and combines them together in one place. And integrates it right into the OS.
That would have been the simple, user-friendly, file repository I've been asking for in iOS going on several years now.
And it would solve the current problem of users having to remember which app holds what document. (Or deleting documents b
What Forstall and Apple announced was almost exactly that, but for coupons, tickets, cards, and other forms of vouchers instead. It was Passbook.
Passbook has a lot of the functionality I've been asking for for documents for years, but it's for commerce rather than productivity.
It does show -- once again -- that Apple isn't philosophically against repositories in iOS, and can handle them in a way that's drop-dead simple for iOS users. But it also shows what Apple's current priorities are.
Here's the actual Passbook announcement:
Next up is a brand new app we're calling Passbook
Now Passbook is:
The simplest way to get all of your passes in one place
There are a lot of really great apps in the app store that are starting to put passes, boarding passes and tickets, into the apps. There are some airline apps, like this one from United, where you get your boarding pass right in the app.
There are some store card apps, like this one from Starbucks, where you get the store card right in the app and you can use it to scan and pay coffee.
And there are some movie ticket apps like this one, where your movie ticket goes right into the app.
Now this is great but the problem is, when you get to the movie theater or to the airport, you fumble around to find the app, and then find the ticket or the pass within the app.
So Passbook takes all of these passes and combines them together in one place. And integrates it right into the OS.
Now, I'm thrilled with the idea of Passbook. The less I have to carry around in my analog wallet, the better. And it's not difficult to imagine the day when PassKit (the framework behind Passbook) layers QR codes behind more advanced systems like RFID/NFC, all tied to iTunes' hundreds of millions of credit cards-strong checkout system.
It's easy to see why Apple gave Passbook that attention as well -- mobile ecommerce is going to be huge. Billions of dollars huge.
File access isn't that goldmine. It's just a point of friction for iOS users.
Having to remember which app you created which document may be an unnecessary cognitive load. Having documents tied to apps, when apps can be removed or replaced from devices with a touch, jiggle, and tap, may not be the kind user experience Apple is famous for. But it's also not a high-order bit for Apple at the moment.
For many users, especially professional and productive users, files and documents are as important as pictures and coupons, maybe more so. But they won't be shared socially, or paid for or redeemed by the masses.
Apple showed they could do simple, user-friendly, flat file repositories back in iPhone 1.0 with Photos.app and the Image picker. For anyone silly enough to doubt it, they've shown us again with iOS 6 and Passbook.
Maybe in a future WWDC we'll see a Files.app and docs picture bullet pointed, and given the same few seconds of attention pull-to-refresh in Mail got this year. Or maybe iCloud's document system will simply evolve into this, automagically surfacing any compatible file type in any app capable of editing it. That would solve 80% of the problem all on its own.
Bottom line, however, Apple has proven once again that they can do repositories and do them well. They've simple chosen not to do so for files. At least not yet.
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iOS 6 and why we got Passbook instead of Files.app
I my opinion, if Apple announces new iOS features this fall, they will be tightly linked to the new phone's hardware (like Siri was, Facetime before that and video recording before that). All I'm saying is, even if they announce some new software, it will most likely never grace our current devices (with the exception perhaps of the new iPad)
Yeah, I'm not so sure I actually want Finder or some simulacrum of it on my iPad/iPhone.
In fact, I don't think most of us work in a doc-centric way like you describe. It's more project oriented for me and most of the people I know. The "document" is just an artifice.
If there is a way to make the "file" completely disappear and for the OS to synthesize an aggregation across apps and actions, that might be useful. Or maybe just open up spotlight more on iOS.
What would the point of having a Files.app be? To (pointlessly) organize your files into some kind of folder structure? So that you can tap the file to have it load in the app that reads/loads (when you can just go to the app itself)?
"In fact, I don't think most of us work in a doc-centric way like you describe. It's more project oriented for me and most of the people I know. The "document" is just an artifice."
I agree totally, especially within the context of the iOS world, which is centered around Apps, not files or documents. I think the issue is that many are still looking at mobile OSes with their legacy, desktop oriented eyes, where the orientation is on files.
I would even go so far to say that on a consumer level (non pro or power use) this same methodology of hiding the file system from the user would work on desktops, and would eliminate the "where did my file get saved to?" issue.
The point would be to create a BETTER user experience.
Right now the user experience sucks for files as much as it does for coupons. Apple chose to fix coupons but not files.
They could just as easily fix files, and in just as easy, elegant, and user friendly way.
Stop thinking Finder. Start thinking Photos or Passbook for files.
Passbook is orders of magnitude simpler than a Files.app would be, because Passbook does not have to deal with user-created content, or multiple different applications having multiple different permissions (read only? read-write? delete?) on different documents. Passbook is little more than the photo picker applied to coupons, and will probably work well. The same level of effort into a files app would be a disaster.
(I am with you, though -- I want a files app; actually, I want the ability to control application associations with documents without jailbreaking, but I cannot see Apple doing that either.)
But the question is if the average iOS user cares enough about their "files" for it to even matter? We have Photos and Videos...and I think for most that takes care of a bulk of what they would need a Files.app for.
Files.app would probably be only of use to power users and because of that, Apple likely wont waste the time. It might be better off developed and launched separately as a standalone app (similar to Apple's iTC Mobile app).
I'm an iOS power user (and developer)...and I wouldn't even use it. The stuff I write is synced in Evernote or via Dropbox in Byword. The little bit of web dev maintenance and basic bug fixes I do on my iPad work changes directly on files stored on a server. Being able to see in one central area all of the files across all apps would be nice for me personally...but I think that's where its usefulness ends.
I think what many of us are saying with all respect is, " get off your soap box" cause most "users" don't need or want that I have Docs I open them in pages, numbers, or keynote. End of story. Are you really using so many Apps to make documents that you can't remember where you put it? Seems like you could simply just use only one document type app. Quickoffice, Documents to go, and so on.
I agree with Rene. The problem is that product (work or whatever you are trying to get done) is fundamentally file-oriented. A document is a document is a document. A photo is a photo is a photo. It's not about how (app) you work on the document or photo. It's about the end result. A simple example is that I like the red-eye reduction in one app (photoshop), but I like the colour of brushes in another app (sketches). Currently, to get the final product I want, I need to problem solve how to weave my file through all the applications I want to edit it which seems extremely inefficient and silly. Apple should just let you see the product of your work, the file! Apple is simply shoving the philosophy that an app should be a complete solution to a task down everyone's throats. This is a poor philosophy for any real work because solutions to problems do not often fit in a preconceived mold (otherwise they really wouldn't be problems would they). The lack of a visible file system is my one major gripe that I believe Apple really misses the mark.
Rene, has this question ever been address by Tim Cook as to why Apple hasn't come up with a file access solution for document files yet?
My guess as to why? Microsoft Office for iPad.
I believe that has been working toward the goal of opening up more of the iPad for productivity, and I have a gut feeling that once Office hits the shelves ( app store ), we may just see a "Documents" folder appear. My guess is that they won't call it "documents" or "my documents" to avoid confusion with Microsoft's "My Documents" folder. And yea, I am still annoyed that the file browser on OSX is called "Finder", but I digress...
Regardless of what it's called, I think that document access is one of the major things hindering the iPad from being a true productivity powerhouse for the masses. With Windows 8 and Metro coming this fall, Apple is going to have to come up with a solution sooner or later.
Agree to a point, but I use docs to go for everyday files I do not care if synced to iCloud. I use Readdle docs for sensitive information I do not want to sync to iCloud. It is just a matter of time before Apple does something. When the iPad first came out, it was all about music, and games. Enterprise was just an afterthought. A lot has changed. You can now do both, and very well, but a file system with iCloud would be nice.
I think that (as you yourself conclude) that iCloud's document system will address the bulk of your concerns. As a user that is very comfortable with the notion of a file system, I too think that a files.app or similiar would be a good thing. But I think Apple is desparately trying to move the world, with iOS away from the file management notion of computers. I just spent the weekend with my mom (age 78), brother (49), sister & sister-in-law (47)...all non-computer geeks but all iPhone users. Sister hadn't upgraded to iOS 5, brother & his wife were better, but had 35ish app updates a piece. My mother had to be reintroduced into how the camera app "works". iCloud to this bunch is utter black magic. Dropbox? Forget about it. The bulk of their iPhone work is phone/SMS, Maps, Facebook, Angry Birds and the like, and the camera. They rarely (if ever) connect their phones to iTunes. The moral of this story: in a room of 8 people, everyone had an iPhone. I consider myself an expert, my wife & two daughters by osmosis and some talent are advanced, and the other four I've described. Only I would have any use for a Files.app...but when I described the Passbook app, everyone thought that it was cool and would definitely use it. So in this small, unscientific test it was 87.5% of the test group that is way beyond expert and 50% that were complete neophytes. And that's why Apple is not aggressively pushing a Files.app.
The whole point in iOS is to make the filesystem disappear. For that reason alone you will not see Files.app.
In addition, files are meant to be stored either in iCloud or sandboxed within an application. It would be slow for Files.app to iterate over each installed application and display the files as it may not know what are internal use only and what are documents to be "shared". A shared files folder would be frowned upon for security reasons - if an app had ability to read anything in a shared location, then it could read all of your data.
Filesystems are not needed for 90% of users these days...
Respectfully disagree, Rene. Easier to remember which app handles certain document types than it is to remember the contents of a file by its name. And "pro users" wouldn't like scrolling through hundreds or thousands of thumbnails.
Oh, and speaking of files, the extension for iOS apps is ".ipa."
Not ".app."
I would appreciate a Files.app for the simple reason that I could email documents from the Mail app rather than from the individual apps themselves. In addition, if Suzie Q. emailed me to ask for a copy of a document, I could reply with the document instead of going to the app, sending it from there, and losing the "replied to" message. Long story short: file attachments are just as important as photo attachments, especially as the iPad becomes used in more business settings.
Good opinion piece, Renée. However, Apple addresses the needs of the 99%. We, the developers and people using our iPhones to be productive, are not the target audience. If it would not be immediately understood by the average Joe, Apple is not interested.
What I would like to see, and what would address your concern, is that Apple make it so that when you accidentally or intentionally delete an application, your documents are still preserved and backed up somewhere. That way when you need to access that document, the document as well as it's application have restored from the cloud and, voilà, it's there for use..
Most business users would love a file structure to attach documents to emails. There are so many workaround apps that manage files because of this very reason. To reply to an email inline, I have to cut and paste the email thread into the files app and essentially spoof the format so it looks like an inline reply with the proper attachment. That is just plain silly in 2012. We shouldn't even be discussing this as a "feature" it should have been in there since iOS1 let alone version 6.
I completely agree. To keep up with completitors look at Windows Phone. They have office and access to all the documents you save or even create. Why not have this as basic functionality. We use PCs or Macs and go through the file strucure all the time, not like it should be any different on a handheld device. I would have no use for passports or movie tickets, heck your phone should be off in a movie theatre, why would you use it? Having a native file browser would mean wonders to alot of people, and the people who say it wouldnt would be the first to use it and praise it because we dont have it...yet.
Re: "We use PCs or Macs and go through the file strucure all the time, not like it should be any different on a handheld device."
Negative. Microsoft tried that for 10+ years with all manner of UMPCs, Pocket PCs, WinCE devices, and Windows Slates. And what did it get them? Nothing. HP sold 9,000 "HP Slate 500" units.
There is no need for a 1980s vintage "desktop productivity" metaphor in hand held devices. If you want to build web sites or run Office, use a MacBook Air. And if you're just doing simple document-based editing, and you still think you need to drag files around, then you need to change how you think.
"There is no need for a 1980s vintage "desktop productivity" metaphor in hand held devices."
This couldn't have been put any better frankly.
Even without this dead metaphor being in existence in iOS, the last I checked iPads were enjoying some reasonable uptake of use in the business and productivity world.
I think the issue is that there is different types of productivity, and different types of people hold differing views of what each type means. Apple (and Microsoft) is trying to foster a modern concept of what mobile productivity is and how it goes hand in hand with other devices, while others are holding on to an outdated concept, or, are attempting to shoehorn an outdated concept onto modern devices.
Depends on how you use your phone. I use AutoCAD on my iphone 4 to review drawings. I have to review and edit word and excel documents when on the road. Having acess to the files I have made/edited would be a plus. Being able to bring up an old file at a business meeting would be awesome but there isnt a feasable way of doing that. My coworking with a Titan can bring up the word document and email it to me. That is a waste of time and resources to have him do it. Given that I was born in 88 I can elimate the vinage 1980s style computing, its just basic functionality that we all use.
Lol, '86 here.
You bring up good points...which is why I have no issues with Apple creating an standalone app as I mentioned above, or, if its going to be pointed at power users, go a step beyond, and design it with them in mind instead of trying to pretend to make something like that consumer-level friendly.
My main concern is just the idea of adding things to a mobile OS (or rejecting new idea out of hand - see Metro) just because "well...thats what we had on Windows 98SE".
Hey, Rene. Interesting article. I think this issue of file management and productivity is tangentially related to another issue: the iPad needs a modified interface all it's own. It's is still largely (not entirely) a blown up version of the iPhone. In my heart of hearts, I believe they should be similar, but not identical, experiences. I'd like some help from apple on being being more productive on my iPad, but don't really care about files on my iPhone.
I was disappointed that iOS 6 was not more iPad centric, as I truly believe tablets are the future.
But they are not there yet.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
Thanks for iMore!
It may not be needed but why not throw it in for the people who would use it? Cant hurt right? I wouldnt use it that much but EVERYBODY could get at least a little use out of it. Whether your using it for work files, school files, social event files or even just for notes. It would be handy to have all files in once place and would get used more than you think by more people than you think.
A files app IS important. Different people use the iPad in different ways. I work where there is no WiFi and no computer is on the Internet. I use my 4G iPad to receive file attachments to transfer to one of the computers I work on. I use GoodReader and Cloud FTP to fetch the attachment and transfer it to a USB stick. It's good thing that GoodReader can handle files unknown by any app. An IOS-level file capability with mail allowing you to save a file and attach a file to outgoing mail would be great! I also like to have PDF user manuals for my gadgets at my fingertips. Remembering which app (iBooks, Adove Reader, etc.) has the manual is a pain. iBook's PDF reader doesn't support all PDF features. Finally transferring file/docs from one app to another if you chose the wrong one initially can be very awkward.
I already have Files: it's an app called Dropbox!
This is only really an issue for those of us with multiple apps for the same function (like, for me, creating and editing Markdown). Furthermore, if Apple did one, it would have to be an iCloud app to sync all devices. Dropbox (and Dropbox-integrated apps) works well for me.
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I have been thinking of how Apple could possibly implement this. I made a concept for an app called iDocuments that would be included with iOS 7. I think it would be a simple solution to the document problem on iOS. I posted it on MacRumors:
Let me know what you think of it.
The reason that Apple won't create a Files.app is because all iphone apps are sandboxed to keep them from harming the filesystem. To know which files belong in Files.app, iOS would need to scan your files. So if someone found a vulnerability in that system, they could create an iphone virus that would render your phone unusable. Plus that could create unneeded drama because in theory Apple would know exactly on your phone, which could get people upset over privacy.


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like the holy roman empire, before the era of decline.
Yes the US people really go crazy in Afghanistan.
and in 3 month they will also start a war against Syria and Iran and then us soldiers run amok there to.
like the holy roman empire, before the era of decline.
Im not american, but I seriously question american will kill anyone in amok for no reason so ever.
It is either staged, an accident, or he was forced to.
l know american helicopter pilot shooting journalists with gau, because he confused camera with rpg. But he was shooting from safe location - this is way more "american" behaviour.
these actions goes wild the people really should stop these wars posthaste!
here is the "Islamic" response to this tropic:
"Statement of Islamic Emirate regarding the inhumane crime committed by the American savages in Kanda
Monday, 18 Rabi'ul Akhir 1433
Monday, 12 March 2012 04:03
Statement of Islamic Emirate regarding the inhumane crime committed by the American savages in Kandahar
The sick minded American savages, in continuation of their barbaric actions have once again reached out to committing a blood-soaked and inhumane crime in Panjwai districts Zangawat region, Kandahar province today. According to their own statistics, more than 20 defenseless villagers were directly
shot and killed whereas the scene testifies to numbers far greater than that. A large number from amongst the victims are innocent children, women and the elderly, martyred by the American barbarians who mercilessly robbed them of their precious lives and drenched their hands with their innocent blood.
According to witnesses from the scene, the American savages perpetrated this crime in the homes of three such villagers which posed no threat to them militarily or security wise and neither were theses martyred villagers a menace to them.
The American terrorists want to come up with an excuse for the perpetrator of this inhumane crime by claiming that this immoral culprit was mentally ill.
If the perpetrators of this massacre were in fact mentally-ill then this testifies to yet another moral transgression by the American military because they are arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans without giving a second thought.
Is there any military stipulation in the entire world which gives legality for unstable persons to be armed and be drafted into the military and then be given the duty of so-called peace keeping?
The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, while sympathizing with the victims of this savage act as part of its Islamic and human obligation, gives assurance to their heirs that it shall take revenge from the invaders and the savage murderers for every single martyr with the help of Allah (SWT) and they shall receive punishment for their barbaric actions.
The Islamic Emirate once again calls on all the international human right organizations and NGOs, as part of their human conscience, to help the Afghans in preventing such unjustifiable crimes by the American invaders from taking place and to put them on trial as part of its moral obligation.
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan"
US officials start to think about US soldiers like dangerous "animals"
This means they unarmed the dangerous murderers if they join a room.
"Leon Panetta visits Afghanistan: Hundreds of U.S. Marines unusually asked to disarm before he speaks
The highly unusual security measure comes amid rising tension in the country after an American solider allegedly killed 16 Afghan civilians on Sunday"
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1pCoGCsaY
really the US Americans really should leash with chains there blood-dogs
these murderers are really dangerous!
and yes nothing special any Soldier is a murderer.
Last edited by Qaridarium; 03-15-2012 at 01:09 PM.
in france they now get the Bill 2 Jewish childs are death 1 jewish man and 3 france soldiers are death.
and the Al-Qa'ida assassin die as a martyr with his weapon in his hand...
and more innocence people die
Last edited by Qaridarium; 03-22-2012 at 07:37 AM.
Arab vs Israeli is conflict lasting so long, it is just "normal".
Israeli in Tora - only jew people are rulers, all other are slaves.
Arab in Quaran - only muslims are true to god.
If they destroy themself, there would be peace at last.
the only true solution is a 3. party like "Roman legions" to make sue both of them are forced to stay in the law.
maybe UN troops with the explicit order to shot on Israel/Jewish people if they violate the law.
but one is for sure these 2 groups can not find peace alone.
without "UN-Tropps" like the old-school "Roman legions"


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They send Anibal Sanchez to the mound, who has been very good but doesn't have much to show for his efforts. He notched a pair of no-decisions his last two times out, and has an ERA of 2.79.
He's looking to do what Kennedy did for the D-backs in his last start -- snap a losing streak. After getting swept by the Nationals (two games) and the Mets (three games) the Marlins dropped Game 1 of their series against Arizona and mustered only three hits on Friday.
Kennedy snapped the D-backs' five game-losing streak the last time he took the ball. He went seven innings and allowed three runs on nine hits to Philadelphia. Kennedy hasn't lost a regular-season game since Aug. 18, 2011.
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Left-hander Wade Miley will stay in the rotation and start Sunday against the Marlins, D-backs manager Kirk Gibson confirmed Friday.
Miley pitched out of the bullpen to start the season, but took the place of injured righty Daniel Hudson and tossed six shutout innings against the Phillies on Monday.
"It's self-explanatory," Gibson said of the move.
Gibson also said right-hander Josh Collmenter may be moving to the bullpen after struggling in the rotation to start the season.
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"I'm looking to build off the stuff I've been working on in the first half," Koehler said. "There have been a lot of games where I've thrown really well, and there have been some where I've struggled. For me, the key is just try to be as consistent as I can and not have such high points and low points. Basically, be able to keep my team in the game but always do it as I'm performing."
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Worth noting
• The Marlins' Adeiny Hechavarria leads the National League with a .429 batting average (27-for-63) during July. He finished 2-for-5 on Sunday, making him 3-for-9 since moving to the leadoff spot on Saturday.
• Marlins reliever Chad Qualls struck out two in a scoreless ninth on Sunday to record his seventh straight scoreless outing, spanning eight innings.
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Sausage and Cheese Bread
A perfect appetizer for any party, this Sausage and Cheese bread made from frozen bread dough is a definite crowd favorite. Regular Italian sausage works great for this, but I prefer to use the hot version of Jimmy Dean sausage, and add shredded pepper jack cheese for the extra kick they both give. Together with the onion and bell pepper, that is really all the seasoning you need. If you're making it for tailgating, bake it, let it cool, wrap it in foil and warm it up on the grill before slicing.First thing you'll need to do is thaw the frozen dough and let it rise. I do that in about 1-1/2 hours using the speed method on the package. While the bread is thawing, brown the sausage and saute the veggies, so that they'll have some time to cool. Course, you can make your own bread dough from scratch too if you prefer.
Here's how to make it.
Make one loaf of bread at a time. Spread or roll the dough into a rectangle onto a sheet of parchment or wax paper. This is simply for the purpose of transferring it to the baking pan more easily. Add half of the sausage filling along the middle of the dough. Brush all of the edges of the dough with water or the egg wash.
Fold the bottom half of the dough up, fold the sides in, brushing with more water or egg wash as needed.
Fold the top over and pinch together to seal. Transfer to a well greased baking sheet, and repeat with the other loaf. Brush both loaves all over with the egg wash if you like, and bake at 350 degrees F for about 30 to 35 minutes, or until golden brown.
Transfer the bread to a cooling rack and let it settle and cool down just a bit before cutting into slices about 1-1/2 inches thick. Try not to eat the whole dang loaf yourself while you arrange slices on a platter. (Good luck with that!)
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Recipe: Sausage and Cheese Bread
©From the Kitchen of Deep South Dish©
Prep time: 2 hours incl thaw time |Cook time: 40 min | Yield: 2 loaves
- 2 loaves of frozen bread dough (like Rhodes), thawed
- 1 pound of hot breakfast sausage (like Jimmy Dean)
- 1 cup of chopped onion
- 1 cup of chopped green bell pepper
- 1 cup of shredded pepper jack, cheddar or your favorite cheese
- 1 egg beaten with 1 tablespoon of water, optional
Put the frozen bread dough on a greased baking sheet and allow it to thaw and rise. I use the quick rise method on the package. Meanwhile brown the sausage in a skillet, remove to a paper towel to drain, transfer to a plate and set aside. To the pan drippings, add the onion and bell pepper and saute until tender. Remove and add to the sausage. Let cool completely.
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Butter or spray a large baking sheet generously with non-stick spray; set aside. Place one of the bread dough rolls on a sheet of lightly floured, wax or parchment paper, rolling or pressing into a long rectangle, about 1/4 inch thick. Add half of the meat and veggie mixture along the length of the bread directly in the center, leaving a border all around. Top the sausage with half of the shredded cheese. Brush the very edges of the bread dough with water or the egg wash, then fold the bottom part of the bread dough up over the filling, fold the sides in, applying more egg wash, and then fold the top half over, pressing seam gently together to seal. Transfer the bread to the prepared baking sheet by lifting the paper and rolling the dough off, so that it is seam side down on the baking sheet. Repeat with the second bread loaf.
Brush bread all over with the remaining egg wash if desired, and poke several vent holes into the top of the bread with a fork or the tip of a knife. Bake at 350 degrees F for about 35 to 40 minutes or until golden brown all over. Transfer to a rack to let rest and cool for 5 to 10 minutes or until set, then using a serrated knife, slice into pieces about 1-1/2 inch wide. Arrange on platter and serve immediately.
Note: Can substitute any other raw sausage such as chorizo, Bratwurst, or Italian sausage, or use plain ground beef. Add additional seasonings as needed for flavoring.
Stuffed Pizza Bread Variation: Make this pizza bread by adding your favorite pizza toppings. Pre-cook pepperoni a few seconds to render fat, then dab with a paper towel to remove excess fat, and let cool. Use cooked, well drained and cooled ground beef, bacon, grilled chicken, ham, whatever you love. Add favorite veggies you like - onion, mushrooms, sweet peppers or jalapeno are all good, though I do suggest sauteing many of them first. Let all ingredients cool before adding to the bread dough. Sprinkle lightly with Italian seasoning and red pepper flakes if you like a little kick. You can also spread a thin layer of pizza sauce on the dough, though it isn't necessary. I prefer to save the sauce for dipping and make a nice marinara instead, which is delicious. Don't forget the cheese - mozzarella or provolone with a little Parmesan, Romano or Asiago are great choices!
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