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Saturday, December 31, 2005
Our Legal and Political Culture JB
The other day Marty was musing that it now seemed as if there was no legal proposition, no matter how outlandish, that you couldn't get some prominent lawyer these days to defend, whether it be that (1) waterboarding isn't torture, or (2) that Congress has given the President carte blanche to engage in unregulated domestic spying or (3) that no statute can limit the President's power if he asserts that he is acting as Commander-in-Chief. No legal argument, it seems, is now beyond the pale. And the worry is that given that you can find a lawyer to defend almost anything the Administration has done, the public throws up its hands. Lawyers tell us that the latest outrages coming from the Administration are actually close legal questions, on which well-trained legal minds can differ. So even if the Administration turns out to be wrong, it was only doing what Executive lawyers should do-- pushing the envelope on behalf of their client-- the President-- and the war against terror. Marty raises an important point about our contemporary political culture, but it is not, I think, primarily a point about lawyers or about legal culture. Lawyers have always, to my knowledge, been willing to come up with clever and ingenious arguments for the interests they represent, even (and especially) when the other side believes those arguments to be spurious or to twist the law in ways contrary to its underlying spirit or purposes. And lawyers have always been willing to assert that, far from twisting the law, it is they, and not their opponents, who are being most true and faithful to the law. Put another way, we have all known for many years that lawyers are rhetorical whores; their job is to confuse, obfuscate, and make unjust and illegal things seem perfectly just and legal, or, if they cannot quite manage that feat, to muddy up our convictions sufficiently that we conclude that it's a close case. There is nothing new about this; lawyers have been implicated in the worst injustices in human history, arguing heatedly for them all the way. They have used their considerable talents to defend-- or to protect from legal sanction-- human slavery, sweatshops, lynchings, and every possible evil that human beings can inflict on each other, they have repeatedly done so in the name of justice and the rule of law. In this sense, there is nothing unusual or distinctive about our present moment from the perspective of legal culture. Given that lawyers are whores-- and I apologize in advance for the offense I may have given to prostitutes by comparing them to lawyers-- the question becomes, what restrains lawyers from being the most shameless tools of interest, or power, or both? There are two answers. First, lawyers' craft is always hemmed in by larger social forces and by popular opinions about ethics and morality, opinions which are not always articulated or articulable in precisely legal ways. One important task that lawyers perform is to translate or channel these moral opinions into struggles about the law. But this moral constraint has its own limits: If the moral opinions of a time are deeply corrupt, the law is unlikely to be far better. Second, lawyers have developed a professional ethos that is devoted to formalities and procedures, and that professional ethos sometimes gets in the way of the most outrageous things that powerful people want to do. But my experience has been that professional ethos often does not constraint lawyers from serving unjust ends very much; at most, it forces them to articulate their defenses of unjust things through legal formalities. And by exercising sufficient cleverness, they are almost always able to do so. Indeed the cleverer they are, the more the professional ethos of lawyers may fail to constrain them. Of the two constraints, I believe that the first is more important than the second. I don't think it's at all surprising that we can find lawyers today who will defend the legality of torture or the President's plenary power to spy on American citizens-- or, to take Marty's point, who will argue that all things considered it's a close legal case. I don't think it's surprising because there are people in the larger political culture who will happily argue for these practices on the merits. What I am counting on is that, at the end of the day, the American public will recoil from both practices, and that is why, at the end of the day, the legal arguments made by opponents of torture and unauthorized domestic surveillance will prevail. Lest I be misunderstood, I do not mean to say that law and legal doctrine counts for nothing, and that lawyers have no independent role to play other than as political cheerleaders for one side or the other. Rather I mean to say that the law always needs help from other sources in political culture if it is to do its job appropriately. The rule of law, I would insist, is not a purely legal or professional ideal-- it is a political ideal that demands that power be checked, circumscribed and made accountable in fair and publicly knowable ways.
lawyers' craft is always hemmed in by larger social forces and by popular opinions about ethics and morality, opinions which are not always articulated or articulable in precisely legal ways. One important task that lawyers perform is to translate or channel these moral opinions into struggles about the law. But this moral constraint has its own limits: If the moral opinions of a time are deeply corrupt, the law is unlikely to be far better.
How you suppose this hemming happens is far from reassuringly clear.
Professor Balkin,
Respectfully, I think it worth mentioning the basic element of our legal system: adversarialism. The primary assumption is explicit in the Old Testament story of David and Goliath: God will not let an unjust cause prevail. (I recall reading a piece either at SSRN or on Professor Solum's blog arguing that the adversarial system yields more justice than other systems. Perhaps this is the case; I am not qualified to argue the merits of adversarialism one way or the other.) In our adversarial system both sides fight their hardest, because the champions are not responsible for the justness of their cause; God is. The moral failings in our legal and political culture, then, are not the fault of lawyers qua lawyers; they are a cost of adhering to a system predicated on trusting Deity to support "the just champion" irrespective of substantive disparity in strength and skill. This, I think, is the strongest extra-legal force behind the prevelance of rhetorical whoring found in the legal profession. I am at a loss to imagine what we can do about it.
Consider the claim of the plaintiff for personal injuries and property damage resulting from a collision of her motor vehicle with a tree, where her lawyer asks her: "How fast was that tree going when it hit your car?"
While the adversarial system has much merit, sometimes it can be an ass.
You are nearly on to something. Rather than the old slow way of doing things, where you actually confront the issues and argue the individual points, it is far more efficient to misrepresent the other side with broad generalities and then dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as an intellectual whore. However, to be effective you have to go a step further. Not eveyone who disagrees with you is a lawyer. You need to broaden the scope of this attack to include the non-lawyers, or you will have fallen seriously short in your effort to poison the well.
One cannot be an outstanding lawyer without having a healthy reserve of cleverness to tap on behalf of a deserving client. That having been said, the careful practitioner will keep distinct the roles of counselor as to the lawfulness of a client's proposed action and that of advocate as to the client's past action. Those advising the current presidential administration seem to have improvidently conflated the two roles.
While the ultimate decisionmaking is that of the client, responsible members of the bar (while acting as counselors) should not advance a client's unlawful objectives nor facilitate the client's unlawful conduct. Any neophyte criminal defense practitioner should be able to discern the risks and liabilities inherent in failing to discern the limits of the dual roles. It helps, of course, if the client is not a megalomaniac. To put a current twist on a hoary joke about federal judges, the most salient difference between God and George W. Bush is that God doesn't believe that He has been chosen by, and receives instruction from, Mr. Bush.
A few minor adds to Jack's excellent post. (1) The very large legal academy is supposed to articulate the basic right way of looking at issues with almost one voice. There will always be a Yoo or two, but we look to the academy to overwhelm such outliers. (2) The Supreme Court and the preponderance of intermediate appellate judges are supposed to play a role akin to the academics: keeping the extremists, the bad logicians, the overly politi cized, the intellectually corrupt from getting anywhere with their degrading views about the majestic law. (3) The ABA and similar legal institutions of civil society, perhaps less than the academy and the courts, are also supposed to condemn those who plainly wrong. For instance, the ABA president should be condemning the Administration's assertions about warrantless search.
Lawyers aren't just con men, they're tradesmen, comparable to atheletes in the sense that they play a game according to formal rules. [I know women who say the same thing abot sex]
And a respect for form is a kind of morality. Fascism is an attack on the very idea of 'rules.'
One might add, I suppose, to the list of outlandish arguments that are nonetheless advanced and defended by prominent lawyers -- even accomplished scholars at the Yale Law School -- the claim that the First Amendment is violated by a policy requiring that schools receiving federal funds not discriminate against military recruiters.
Not only is there no argument so outlandish you can't find a lawyer advancing it, there's no argument so outlandish that, if it serves to excuse a federal usurpation of power, you can be sure the Supreme court won't find it persuasive.
Do the law schools still teach that sophistry is a vice?
Hypothetical scenario:
Lawyer (A) works for client (B). A is aware that B has a problem with someone else (C), who seems to hold certain information that B would really like to know. B seeks A's professional advice regarding the limits of the law when it comes to obtaining such information, without C's consent. A produces a memo. B then spies on, tortures and even kills C. Sound familiar? Indeed, in the history of the 'war on drugs' dozens (hundreds perhaps) of lawyers have been indicted on a charge of conspiracy [ http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm ]. Obviously, we're talking about a completely different *war* now (even if undeclared). In sum, I totally agree with what commentator Sean said in response to Prof. Balkin's previous post ("[…] law is politics, and if there is no one with the political power to enforce a view, that view simply doesn't count as law"), when it comes to legal issues with a national security angle. The only real difference between Nixon's and W. Bush's record with impeachment is that Vietnam was so much more unpopular than fighting terrorism, and so many more Americans were killed. Since Prof. Balkin mentioned in his post the most despised / most demanded service in history, I believe citing Franklin Delano Roosevelt's words is more appropriate than ever: "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." You just have to change Somoza for "that lawyer".
I think that the ideal of the adversary system tries to harness lawyers' whorishness (is that a word?) for the greater good in the same way that capitalism is supposed to harness greed for the greater good. If someone wants to do something like waterboarding or domestic spying, if he cares enough, there are thousands of lawyers willing to put out the best possible argument in favor of it. If those who oppose it care enough, they can argue against it. Then, at the end of the day, we have the best arguments for and against waterboarding and can decide which has the better of it.
This system breaks down when one side has far more resources than the other, when the lawyer who knows he has the worst of it is able to obfuscate, or when people can't see the right when they're presented with the best arguments for both sides. Or, as you put it, What I am counting on is that, at the end of the day, the American public will recoil from both practices, and that is why, at the end of the day, the legal arguments made by opponents of torture and unauthorized domestic surveillance will prevail. This quote comes to mind way too often, and is a bit overused, but at the risk of exacerbating this situation, I'll use it again here. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. -Learned Hand
I think there's a little too much cynicism here about lawyers, even though I agree with much of what has been said.
In fact, lawyers are supposed to be able to say "no" to their clients, and many in fact do. They urge their clients to settle weak claims. Criminal defense lawyers urge guilty defendants to plea bargain. They convince their clients that advocating a legally unsupportable position will cost them credibility with the courts (or, in a high publicity case, the public) that will make it more difficult to achieve their objectives. In extreme circumstances, they even withdraw from the representation. Despite the popular image of lawyers as "whores" as well as my own experience with some lawyers who have lived up to that description, I truly believe that most lawyers do use these techniques when confronted with a client who wants to take an unreasonable position-- rather than simply marching into court and arguing with apparent conviction that the sky is green. (It is true, of course, that where a position IS legally supportable, a lawyer is required to zealously advocate the position for his or her client, even if the lawyer does not believe the position is correct. But while the line between a creative, but supportable, legal position and a completely frivolous one can sometimes be fuzzy, it still exists, and if a lawyer is ignorning known historical facts or disregarding clearly applicable legal authority, as Yoo did in his memos, the lawyer has crossed the line.) Indeed, all this cynicism about lawyers lets John Yoo off the hook. His defense for his memos is precisely that he was just a lawyer advocating the interests of his client. Yet there is no evidence that he pushed back. There is no evidence that he urged his superiors to moderate their position-- even on the pragmatic grounds that it might be an easier sell to the courts and the public. And he didn't resign. Rather, he went ahead full throttle and wrote memos authorizing what he surely knew-- as a lawyer with a better education than mine-- to be gross violations of established international law and explicit Congressional prohibitions. What Yoo did is completely contrary to the established professional ethics of my profession. Yes, there are other lawyers who would do it-- but not as many as people think. And there are many, many lawyers who take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that they NEVER make arguments that are not supportable by some colorable legal justification.
You make good points, but what confuses me a bit is the leap you make from saying that lawyers sometimes say no to their clients to the proposition that they should be expected to say no in some circumstances. When a lawyer tells a guilty client to accept a plea bargain or a civil litigant to settle a weak claim, that's a strategic decision, not a moral one. In other words, the lawyer's not saying "my principles prevent me from being your whore," but rather "even my considerable whore-skills will probably not get you what you want." That doesn't say anything about John Yoo's situation unless you're trying to say that Bush was so clearly going to lose the debate that Yoo shouldn't have argued as he did. At this point, it's not clear that he's lost. If, on the other hand, you're trying to argue that John Yoo should have pushed back on moral grounds, then I don't think that's necessarily clear. Lawyers may refuse to make arguments they find morally repulsive or to take clients they find reprehensible, but I don't think that society demands that. Indeed, society often praises lawyers who defend less desirable characters and give their best shot at making sure that the client--even if guilty--is treated fairly and that the other side is forced to prove its case. Under the "lawyers should represent the best interests of their clients and let the judge/factfinder sort it out," John Yoo would be praised for advancing the debate on the limits of executive power and making the best arguments for a broad position. If those arguments are such clear failures on their merits, then the blame falls on the courts and the public for not recognizing that.
My point, which as usual no one has responded to, is that the lawyerly respect for argument, for means as opposed to ends, is precisely what Woo has shown contempt for.
A friend of mine knows a lawyer who will brag, at the drop of a hat, that he is "...at the forefront of the defense of our great Constitution." He handles mostly federal drug cases; mob related; conspiracy etc. He wears fancy suits, drives fancy cars, and has lots of money. He lives in a big house out on the Island. He's slick, cynical and funny. He's a slimeball. And he's right: He is at the forefront of the defense of our constitution. Justice is imperfect and it has to be, which is why so many lawyers take offense at assholes like Woo who try to 'clean up' the mess. When lawyers become fascists they argue against the idea of law itself. It's the cynicism that's the problem: Woo's an idealist. And besides, the problem isn't whores, it's johns.
Your view of what legal ethics requires is simply wrong. Under the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct and every state's professional ethics rules that I have seen, no lawyer is permitted to make arguments to Court that are not supported by the facts or the law, or a good faith argument for extension or change of the law. And a lawyer's advice to his or her own client-- including as to what the law provides-- must be completely truthful.
Dilan, too bad there's such a vast gulf between legal ethics in theory, and legal ethics in practice.
Professor Balkin,
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I refer to your apt description that lawyers are whores. There seems to be a subtle difference between these two old professions in that one says "its a pleasure doing business with you", while the other submits that "it's a business doing pleasure with you". An antinomy, at best. But, a whore can pick and choose his/her clients, whereas lawyers dont give a hoot as long as the smell of pecuniary advantage is in the air. Therein, Sir, lies the rub. |
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An Iwagakure kunoichi that led a battalion of Iwagakure ninja to attack Konohagakure's border after its invasion by Sunagakure and Otogakure.
She is shown to be very cruel as she sacrificed many Iwagakure genin during her fight with Kosuke Maruboshi. She also has a liking of cutting her opponents into pieces.
She has long brown-coloured hair which she ties in such a fashion as to form a ball on top of her head, using what appears to be a knitting-needle, while two large locks with darkened tips frame the remainder of her face. Her typical attire consists of a short sleeveless dress, further adorned by the presence of numerous bandages that encircle various portions of her body, including her waist and thighs.
Like most Iwagakure ninja, she uses Earth Release, which she employs in the form of dragons and landslides. She also wields a sword, meaning she is possibly skilled in kenjutsu.
Part II
Konoha History Arc
She was defeated when Kosuke used his Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique to overpower her Earth Release: Earth and Stone Dragon.
- She resembles Pakura, a famous kunoichi from Sunagakure who was reincarnated by Kabuto in the Fourth Shinobi World War.

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Something to think about
It seems that every other week or so, we get some new thread about "What women deserve" or "chivalry" or similar topics. Notice that the focus on these topics is always the women....what the women can expect from the men. Now, I think is a fair time to put out the question:
Ladies, what can you offer the gentleman?
Notice, I did not say, "what can you do that would encourage the guys to be nice to you more " or "what can you do to show appreciation for what the guy did for you". No, what can you do out of genuine love? Let's not turn this into another "thank the guys for holding doors", yada, yada, thing.
What type of man do you seek? And are you worthy of such a man?
I do not mind holding doors for women (or men or children). But to base your decision to date someone based on these things sounds to me a little.....selfish?


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Interesting to read! East Asians have a reputation in the west as liking milder scents than those in North America and Europe. Guess you're proving that wrong, ten sprays at a time.
I actually dont understand how all people in youtube advice to wear like: "1 to the neck & 1 of each wrist". Can people smell it? and can they finish the bottle like that? I think all these people live in Europe/US.
I think because I live in Malaysia, always hot here (summer everyday, sometimes raining, lol).
I just got Creed GIT, I plan to wear 12 spray. Does any of you live in Asia also do same like me?
Thanks guys!
Last edited by azri_azmi; 4th May 2010 at 02:18 AM.
Interesting to read! East Asians have a reputation in the west as liking milder scents than those in North America and Europe. Guess you're proving that wrong, ten sprays at a time.
12 sprays seems like a lot even if you lived on the sun.
hot weather and 12 sprays?
I'm glad you are way over there.
Yeah, maybe too much.
Havent try my 12 spray to GIT yet, just bought. haha. (but will be problem if suddenly have to attend meeting in a close meeting room).
Other fragrance that I spray a lot: Versace Man Eau Fraiche, Rochas Man, Hanae Mori & all other fresh fragrance.
I know, if TMugler B*Men i will not spray more than 2.
Wearing 12 sprays is too much, IMHO, for most scents. I usually wear 3 - 4 spritzes.
GIT is one of those scents where your nose won't be able to smell it after 2 hrs, but others ard you can smell it. 4 sprays is good enuff for me
Try 4-5 sprays of GIT first, ask the people around you if they can still smell you after a couple of hours in. Bring along an atomizer/decant to top up your dose if you need. It's as warm and humid here, and my scents on skin tend to fizzle away really quick with perspiration (I perspire a lot and rather easily) and all, so I tend to have to re-spray.
The trick is to apply to the right parts of the body. I normally use 4-5 sprays...3 sprays to the chest and abdomen and 2 more sides of the neck. If the frags is really strong I will only do 1 spray to the neck (adam's apple) and 3 sprays to chest and abdomen. If u are outside a lot then u might need a bit extra sprays. But if u r in an air conditioned environment for a good part of the day then you really got to limit the no of sprays. We Malaysians ain't the most vocal of ppl so don't expect feedback even though your frag is filling up the whole room.
"A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed."
Don't listen to these people LOL...I like 6-8 sprays of most anything from my wardrobe with very few exceptions going down to about 4. I also reapply from a small vial if necessary.
I agree that in humid weather, one can't smell fragrances because of no evaporation from the skin. Depending on your environment (conservative office, meetings, etc.) do use discretion and trial and error but don't think there's necessarily a right amount just because someone says so.
Enjoy your fragrances!
For me 12 sprays isn't unreasonable if it's a light scent like 4711. For GIT, I usually do 4 sprays to the chest underneath my shirt and another 3 sprays to my neck. It's pretty strong for the first few hours but turns into a skin scent soon after.
You can spray your wrist and see if you're able to detect it after several hours. That's how I gauge the longevity and sillage of my fragrances.
Last edited by teflondog; 4th May 2010 at 05:27 AM.
Application really varies with the potency and sillage of the fragrance. Spraying to the neck tends to start the olfactory fatigue earlier for me so I prefer to spray to the chest and solar plexus, one to each arm and maybe a mist over. I find that the layering of topnotes over fabric compliment the heart notes from the skin. But for powerhouses e.g. Grey Flannel, 1-2 to the chest is usually enough.
And I second matthewfoo's approach. Reapplication works much better than heavy application in the somewhat misguided hope of making a fragrance last longer.
some scents can get stronger over time. do exercise caution. you dont wanna smell like those people on the bus right?
and do spray on your clothes. that way you can enjoy it privately.
I find sprays to the chest and throat give the wearer a good dose--when you move around, your shirt causes puffs of fragrance to come out of the neck of your shirt. Neck sprays will begin to give more projection to the environment. Wrist sprays may give the most projection as you naturally wave your arms around walking or whatever.
People in Japan tend to be pretty conservative about fragrance in offices and other 'captive' spaces like public transport. Of course, clubbing is another matter. I like the idea of a light reapplication for refreshment. Also, spraying partially on fabric may extend longevity. However, I found out this method backfires in the case of L'Eau de Issey Miyake pour homme. The development gets all scrunched together. Used on skin, LDIM can show off its individual stages of development a bit better.
I hear you, azri_azmi. I live in a climate very similar to Malaysia's (fact: your commercial palm trees came from us! ;o)). 12 sprays of some frags is not entirely criminal, even in hot weather, especially when you take other competing environmental issues (ambient aromas, woodsmoke [yep, even in cities], outdoor cooking aromas, etc) into consideration.
Number of sprays is a "diplomatic" issue here on BaseNotes, but the least i usually use is 8.
ointments and perfume delight the heart....
Hmmmm...i live in SL. For office it will be always 2 sprays and it will do enough till the evening (lover of powerhouses) and takes d MAX use of them. Thanks to BaseNotes i have listed all d powerhouses whenever discussed and will only buy from that list when i spend for perfumes.
Today did 3 sprays on Aqua Di Gio and i can smell it very better even now, almost after 5-6 hours from the morning. Great! did 2 sprays and wore a shirt on the hanger but then remembered i wore the same for a long walk d before day, so got a new one from the wardrobe and had to reapply - and did only once more on chest
I wear for my pleasure mostly. If i can smell it while i sit and work, walk and drive and etc. It's more than enough, BUT at the same time if i can smell it during d whole day, even after my own nose getting used to d smell for hours > that means others are surely getting my scent too!
12 sprays. Never! i'm very greedy! even if its such a lovely, romantic or a special occation it would be 4-5 sprays MAX.
Well, i use powerhouses, and d other frags that last long and smell nice!
Last edited by kbandarage; 4th May 2010 at 10:32 AM.
I usually apply 4-8 sprays on different parts including clothes
I thought there was a small Creed counter at the men department of Tangs ?
There is a Creed section at Isetan@The Gardens but the selection is quite pathetic compared to Isetan KLCC.
So what kind of freebies did u get when u purchased GIT ? Pls tell me you at least insisted on a few samples LOL.
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Agreed, sort of - whilst I recommend you definitely test with the number of sprays and, here's the crucial bit, ask several different people for their opinion with different numbers of sprays at different parts of the dry-down, it's not a one-size-fits-all thing. I have VERY dry skin to the degree that the 2-8 sprays most people say is more than enough for them, on me is gone and undetectable by anyone inside of an hour. I have tested this several times over the years with various family, friends and work colleagues. There are very few exceptions to this (I can do 4 sprays of VC&A Pour Homme and it will last and project all day), but as a rule I don't generally use less than 12 or so sprays because otherwise frags would be a pointless hobby for me, akin to just splashing on cold water. In fact for most things closer to 20 sprays would be the average for me. Sounds a lot to most people, but I've experimented long enough to know how frags work (or don't) on my skin. 20 sprays on my skin tends to work the same as half a dozen or so on others.
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Although I'm not in Asia, I'm in the same boat, folks! Where I live It's 9 months hot and humid and 3 months max a bit less hot (raining). So, I usually apply 9-10 sprays (even more) when the fragrance is light/citrusy. At night or in the less hot months, I tend to use stronger/powerhouse fragrances, and 4-5 sprays are fine.
It may seem too much, but It isn't! The hot weather isn't the major problem in my case. Humidity is.
It really "arrests" the fragrance's projection.
Remember they can breathe through their mouth if they have to.
No more Creed counter at Tangs. Then straightly to KLCC and the salesperson inform me they cant survive at Tangs Pavilion. The stock there has been sent to KLCC. Oh yeah, i remember The Gardens..
Sadly they just give Annick Goutal sample (vial) about 3 or 4. Said that they not received Creed sample anymore. And the price INCREASEd!
I bought Millesime Imperial 75ml for RM 549 before at Tangs Pavilion. Now the GIT is RM 599. Oh no! with no any creed sample!
Make me think better i use less spray.. : D
Being asian doesnt make me spray any differently than other people )
However i do spray 8-10 times of any fragrance when i was in Asia. (3 for Black Aoud oh so strong =) )
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SMH People really have a difficult time judging things such as sillage/longevity it seems. 2 sprays to the chest underneath clothes, during the hottest weather, and I project well, get longevity of well over 6 hours (even with MI), and get regular compliments and can still smell my fragrance well (plus I have dry skin). It's really not that hard of an issue to tackle, but I think people overthink it too often.
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wait im confused, i thought heat and humidity helped spread the scent?
Sales thread here
well, heat really makes the perfume burn faster. so while you need less sprays to be reasonably stinky, the stink goes away faster as well.
some people think cranking the volume to 12 sprays results in more sustain, but it's possibly just a much louder version of the same thing.
humidity should make the scent last longer.
Yes, I could certainly understand heat, making a frag disappear quicker, but not humidity. The fact that the air is humid, means the air is already saturated, and cannot take on any more substance. In humid weather, the evaporation of the fragrance should be greatly reduced.
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I agree, I thought that was what I said : )
so heat = more projection but a faster burn; humidity = less evaporation and therefore more longevity but less projection? so a hot and humid climate is actually the best of both worlds it seems
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depending on skin chemistry some people need more sprays..like more me i need around 3-4 sprays on my skin for stuff like M7 and Heritage and around 6 for lighter stuffs like bulgari aqua marine. There isnt really a hard and fast rule to this or a set one.
Agree 100% esp. about neck = olfactory fatigue.
Women can get away with it on the back of their necks. Scent flows upwards and if they want male attention it's not a bad idea, as we're taller.
However if she sprays the sides of the neck in the 'hot spot' under the ears prior to a date; though she may get olfactory fatigue, watch out! Odds are she seriously means business
Or the worst, if you sit on a crowded bus with someone with less than exemplary hygiene
Back in Cuba, the usual routine was to take two showers daily.
And go with Bay Rum or Limes or such.
Is this not the case in tropical climates around the globe?
Here in the desert heat of Southern C.A. Evaporation is the only problem. I'm not sure about powerhouses in humid climates but powerhouses that are NOT sweet work great in the desert.
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No, never try 12 sprays at once.
Myself probably 6 sprays most would be more than enough..
Never say Never. If 12 sprays works for you (i.e., makes you happy, doesn't make your partner or your boss, secretary run away, doesn't give your cat a sneezing fit)... GO FOR IT!
And vary it and note the differences too...!
Me personally I've always been a big amount kind of guy when it comes to fragrance.
I blanche when others try to prescribe to me, "Spray and walk into it..."
Good grief ....
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I did 16 sprays of Montale's Musk to Musk today. I survived -- and others around me did, too.
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GIT has 0 longevity so 12 sprays is very appropriate, assuming they don't all come at the same time. Once every hour for 12 hours seems legit.


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A term that has come to describe an Asian male after consuming alcohol. Due to a reaction to the liquor some asians experience a full body blush. A.K.A "Asian Glow"
DEANE (to Luke): "What's wrong with Mikey? He's all red...is he sick?"
LUKE: "No Deane he's just a Red Dragon"
LUKE: "No Deane he's just a Red Dragon"
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The sex act of being balls deep in her from behind in the doggy style position. Keeping your left knee down behind her left leg and then while still impaling her bring your right foot around and put it on the base of her skull. Once this is accomplished shove her head down with your foot and pin her down and fuck hard until finished.
Holy shit, did you see Jim and Kelly doing the Red Dragon on the dance floor at the prom. Kelly was all twisted up in the game.
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15 december 2004
When a girl (or maybe even a guy) is giving a blow job then when the person is swallowing/deep throating, you (as the one getting the head) punch them in the stomach so that blood and jizz come out of there nose!
I gave her a disgustingly brutal red dragon just for shits and giggles!
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13 februari 2009
cross between red wings and an aklaskan firedragon, when a guy is getting his red wings and the girl says something like 'I have vaginal herpes' the man tries to pull out of it but is chocked by the girl causing the period to burst out of his nose like a dragon.
Bob:*licking his way to his redwings*
Sally:*pulls Bob's head in close and whispers* 'hey cocksucker i have herpes'
Bob:*tries to wrench away but chockes causing the blood to spurt from his nose...Like a red dragon :D*
Sally:*pulls Bob's head in close and whispers* 'hey cocksucker i have herpes'
Bob:*tries to wrench away but chockes causing the blood to spurt from his nose...Like a red dragon :D*
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7 september 2008
when you are having ass sex with a girl and you punch her very hard in the ass she will tighten up when she does that pull your dick out, this will rip the lining of her ass out, giving her a Red Dragon tail.
i gave kailey quinn a red dragon.
av dane johnson
3 december 2004
When the male having fucked his bitch ragged. Pulls his dick out of which ever hole he is fucking and continuously slaps her face with his throbbing penis. Producing a red welt on her face. Thus, giving the name the red dragon.
i pulled my trobbing member from her ass and pounded her face untill she screamed mercy from the dragon master.
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21 juli 2003
The most famous and feared of all dragon's, the Red Dragon was larger then all other Dragon's except the Black Dragon, and the White Dragon. The Red Dragon was made famous in teh game, followed by the movie, Doungeons & Dragons where it was the sworn enemy of the Gold Dragon, a much smaller and more noble Dragon. As like all dragons, the Red Dragon could breath fire.
After kidnapping the princess, the rider of the Red Dragon flew off with Gold Dragons in pursuit.
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Evolution is no longer theory it is fact, religion is just modern mythology
I go with what I can see in this world if you don't beleive in evolution you are blind to the word around you
I consider myself agnostic in the way that if there was proof of an intelligent creator I would accept it and change my beliefs as such
Did i miss the memo that stated evolution was fact?From my understanding its still just a hypothesis made by men (like the bible).
I dont think I can prove that theres a "intelligent creator" but with a quick google search I can prove to you that events described in the bible have been documented and proven to have happened before.
I think you can believe in evolution and also be a religious or spiritual person. It seems as though science is becoming the new religion though. There are so many youtube videos of physics with spiritual music in the background, and the people talking like prophets. A scientist can create a non-falsifible theory (not talking about evolution), and people will except it as fact, just like religion. What's worse is that if you disagree you are labeled ignorant. Science is as true as current knowledge, many times in history scientific theories have proved to be wrong later. I am a scientific person but I am open to spirituality. I think that assuming everything just randomly became perfect from nothing isn't any more logical than the opposite.
both sides are ignorant as shit
you're just plain flat out wrong. like, straight up. evolution WAS a hypothesis PROVEN as a theory. Theory is a tentative term in science, because scientists, unlike religious folk, don't want to jump to any conclusions, but as far as we know, evolution is as sure a thing as gravity and the sun being the center of our solar system.
And to say it's "made" by men "just like the bible" is ridiculous. Evolution is something that is going on in the real world right now, it's how our biology has developed, its why we are upright creatures with thinking brains that can problem solve and use tools. Something being "made up" is the story of jack and the beanstalk or noah's ark or a 7 day creation.
I dont think I can prove that theres a "intelligent creator" but with a quick google search I can prove to you that events described in the bible have been documented and proven to have happened before.
back your words up and prove it.. I want scholarly documents and/or sources. Not wikipedia.
A theory does not equal a hypothesis. Evolution has been proven the only crucial evidence they're missing is the step 1.
Creation on the other hand: some omnipotent being blinked a couple times and then everything magically appeared. On top of that if God if is so omnipotent why did he have to rest?
Don't deny blatant facts because you are so brainwashed by what you were force fed as a child.
Im not a evolutionist nor a creationist from my knowledge of both, both could be true, so saying that evolution can be proven doesnt mean creationism isnt real .I dont believe in god as human but I try to get to know him as one does that make sense ?You dont know me, so why do you assume im brainwashed by my parents?
@americanlegend no not noahs ark.But more like kings prophisized in the bible, could be proven through science for one,euphrates rivers etc.
I would give you "scholalry documents" and sources but B.E.T is in town and I have to go now
but you could look it up yourself if you got the time
both sides are ignorant as shit
haha what? this makes no sense. It's ignorant to believe in evidence and hard science? No buddy.. It's ignorant to restrict gays from getting married and serve in the military because some jesus freaks think its gods will. You'll never see an atheist or agnostic trying to restrict someones rights or blowing up a building because of what a fairy tale says.
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I can't even believe that this is still a debate. Actually I can.
When you are young, it makes sense to believe everything your parents tell you on good faith rather than experimenting and figuring everything out yourself. Anyone other than your parents telling you anything different must be a liar, because well... why would your parents lie to you? They want to you stay alive. It's actually almost cripplingly ironic that this evolved trait is the number one reason why people are unable to change their minds about this issue.
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He is right.Your saying they believe in fairytale thus causing them to blow up buildings (ignorant )
like a 27 inch zenith, believe it
I believe the bible is 100% accurate so I guess that makes me a creationist.
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there is way more impossible events in the bible than those "documented events" you say there are, what do you believe in, noah's ark or someshit
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there is way more impossible events in the bible than those "documented events" you say there are, what do you believe in, noah's ark or someshit
Most scientists agree that there was a great flood throughout the Earth at the same time that the Bible describes the story of Noah and the Ark.
"Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.'"
1 Man built an arch that was capable of housing 2 of every animal in the word. Damn, that sounds so believable!
Most scientists agree that there was a great flood throughout the Earth at the same time that the Bible describes the story of Noah and the Ark.
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Darvish coming off complete game while Milone hasn't lost since May 3
Despite the Rangers being ravaged by injuries this season and sitting in fourth place behind his American League West-leading A's, manager Bob Melvin knows the division rivals can't be taken lightly.
Melvin experienced it first-hand Monday, when the Rangers defeated the A's, 14-8, to take the first of a three-game series between the teams in Oakland. The two teams split their previous two series earlier in the season, each getting swept at home. The tug-of-war continues Tuesday when two 27-year-olds face each other on the mound. Right-hander Yu Darvish will get the ball for Texas, while left-hander Tommy Milone will take the mound for Oakland.
"[We are] fortunate enough to get off to a good start, but our division seems to be as tough as it's ever been this year, with Houston doing what they're doing right now, Seattle's a lot better, really impressed by what Texas is doing with the injuries that they've had," Melvin said. "You know they're going to get a little bit healthier, so it's a really good division. We take nothing for granted."
Darvish is 1-7 with a 4.73 ERA in nine career starts against the Athletics. He won his first start against them on May 16, 2012, and has lost seven in his last eight starts against them.
Darvish has pitched against them twice this season. On April 21, he allowed three runs in six innings and was not involved in the decision as the Rangers won, 4-3. He allowed four runs in 3 1/3 innings in a 4-0 loss to the Athletics on April 28. It was the shortest outing of his career.
Despite those numbers, Darvish is 6-1 with a 1.83 ERA in his past seven starts. In that stretch, he has held opponents to a .204 batting average and struck out 11.33 batters per nine innings.
Brandon Moss has four home runs off Darvish, tied with Mike Trout for the most against Darvish.
"They have some very patient hitters over there -- and when they do get a pitch they can do damage with, they don't miss," Rangers manager Ron Washington said. "They also make him throw a lot of pitches. … He's got to stay ahead of the hitters."
Darvish is coming off his first-complete game shutout Wednesday night against the Marlins. He gave the ball from the game to his father to display at the Darvish museum in Kobe, Japan.
Though he's aware of his struggles against the A's, Darvish said he's feeling prepared, and has been comforted by the words of Hall of Famer Greg Maddux.
"Greg Maddux told me last year that he didn't really have good numbers throughout his career in Arizona," Darvish said. "To know that a great pitcher like him had a team that he didn't have any good numbers, that kind of alleviates my thoughts."
Milone is 4-3 with a 3.47 ERA on the season, coming off of a win in Anaheim on Wednesday, when he gave up just one earned run in 6 2/3 frames.
Milone has not lost a game since May 3 -- good for a span of seven starts -- and took a no-decision against the Rangers on April 22 in Oakland, where he gave up three runs in six innings.
A's: Plan set for Reddick's rehab
Josh Reddick will begin a rehab assignment with Triple-A Sacramento on Wednesday, and he hopes to rejoin the A's in New York next Tuesday against the Mets.
Reddick, who hyperextended his right knee in Anaheim on May 31, will fly to Texas on Tuesday morning before meeting up with the Triple-A team in Round Rock on Wednesday. He expects to play several innings Wednesday and Thursday, rest Friday and play two more games in New Orleans over the weekend.
"They want to get me comfortable as possible," Reddick said. "I'm not opposed to that by any means, taking more days than usual."
Rangers: Robertson gets chance to lead off
Daniel Robertson was in the leadoff spot on Monday night with left-hander Drew Pomeranz on the mound for the Athletics. He could be there again on Tuesday against Milone.
"He takes pitches, doesn't swing much out of the strike zone and makes solid contact," said Washington.
Robertson, who started in center field, is still wearing a clear plastic mask on defense and a special batting helmet when he hits. He is still dealing with three small fractures in his left cheek bone, the result of colliding with outfielder Alex Rios on May 22 in Detroit.
"I'm a couple of weeks away from not having to wear any protection," Robertson said. "I've worn it so much, I really don't notice it. It just protects me if I do something wild and crazy, like running into a wall or trying to make a diving catch."
Worth noting
• Rangers reliever Robbie Ross has allowed six runs on eight hits over three innings in his last three outings.
"He's missing his spots," said Washington. "When he hits his spots, he's good. If he misses, that's when he gets in trouble. He's just not getting the ball where he wants it."
• Infielder Alberto Callaspo was reinstated from the paternity list Monday and Andy Parrino returned to Triple-A Sacramento.
Grace Raynor is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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