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It is difficult dealing with a peopl whose religion allows them to lie in court and in making agreements.
Guys and girls, please get the priority right. The majority of the entire planet wants peace in Palestine. Why don't we focus on how to achieve peace there. The then dispersed Israeli population is now a formal nation n country. The Palestinians are living like the animal under the supervision of the Israeli big brothers. Big brothers want to punish the Palestinian animal anytime the want as there is an obvious imbalance of military power between the two. The non US countries should provide military assistance to the Palestinians to counter balance their israeli counterpart. Only when the Palestinians n the Israelis are equal in military might can attract the Israelis to seriously negotiate with the Palestinians.
Now that palestinians is now recognized as a legal country with boundary by the internation. Palestinians should participate more actively in the international stage to establish a tighter relationship with the rest of the world. Then, this move will actually create a momentum for improvement of bureaucracy within Palestine, improvement for the infrastructure within Palestine, and let others countries to participate building for these infrastructure n bureaucracy. Letting others countries to build these things can create a bonding between palestinians n the other countries n their political support. It is a long road ahead for peace but it's a close step towards peace.
Also, to end the hatred between them both sides to expect someone will be put on trials for war crime prosecutions.
Please be ready to support the palestinians to reshape the imbalance of power to achieve peace there. The Isreali Americans please help achieve peace instead of creating more trouble to your homeland which don't end these killings at all.
"Palestinians are living like the animal"? What kind of distorted blindness? In accordance to UN and WHO and other international organizations statistical data the level of living, education, health, infrastructure etc... is much higher than in any other Arab country, and most of the Muslim Countries.
That is the reason East Jerusalem Arabs refuse to give up their Israeli citizenship and only pay "lips service" to the politically correct slogans that are so pleasing to your ears.
The Judiciary in the West Bank is at standard that is by far lower from that in Israel. Nevertheless it is still improvement from the Judiciary level in Palestinian Authority not speaking about Gaza.
Israel is looking for a way to leave the Palestinian Territories but from experience of Gaza we learn that any area Israel leaves El Qaida or Jihadists State is created there.
Instead of demonizing Israel or quoting "politically correct" slogans that have nothing to do with reality of realistic solutions - the "liberals and progressive forces" should support solutions where "Palestinians" should start being questioned about the real intensions of those who lead them. Whoever has eyes can clearly see that these leaders do not want Palestinian State and peace. The present leadership is unfortunately focused on one real goal – elimination of Israel as Jewish State.
Most of the population in Palestinian Territories is seeking Pease in accordance to all the opinion polls, which the Dictators who rule these territories ignore.
The only question one should ask himself is: Why the "progressive and liberal forces" in the Western Countries are so blind to the real goal of the present Leaders in Gaza and West Bank.
A little correction!
"The Palestinians are living like the animal under the supervision of the Israeli big brothers. "
Between 1948 and 1967 the Arabs kept the Palestinians in the trashy refugee camps. Betwen 1967 and 1986 when the first intifada began, the Israelis raised the standard of living of the Palestinians but when Israel tried moving the Palestinians out of the refugee camps and into proper housing, the UNRWA filed complaints against Israel.
Go fight that!!!
These jovial octogenarian judges and likely sophisticated dinner-party guests who evoke sympathy has a job on hand. The General Assembly's decision to accept Palestine as a non-member may encourage new International Criminal Court prosecutor to open cases against Israelis and Palestinians for war crimes. The General Assembly's resolution unambiguously define Palestine's boundaries as the 1967 borders, Palestinians can legally maintain that every settlement that was built in sovereign Palestinian land is unlawful.
Every megalomaniac within the Islamic world has hijacked the Palestinian cause; this is the first time those 'hijackers of causes' like OBL can be stripped of any legality. Their idea 'that world is against Islam' and the Palestinian freedom cause is a 'global Jihad' is bankrupt now. The whole slogan is now pathetically devoid of any legitimacy. Nearly 6.1 billion people have supported the right of Palestinians, the world should not be punished any more with this imposed guilt of purported Islamic persecution. Buddhists, non-believers, Islamicsts, moderates, atheists all have said 'yes' to the statehood.
Morally on this planet Earth majority of the world population wants peaceful coexistence between the two neighbours, that is what this vote implies. It has legal ramifications for the Hamas, for Israel and for Palestine, it evokes accountability of war crimes under a universal court. The Geneva Convention forbids "the transfer of civilian population of the occupying power to the occupied territory" and defines this as a war crime. So illegal transfers of populations to occupied territories can lead to prosecution of Israeli leadership guilty of expanding and growing settlements. So does Hamas and those Palestinians bent on terror will have to face a new kind of music from the 'Justice from International Criminal Court.'
The world has spoken in unanimity for peace and security of Palestine and Israel's 'Muslim and Jewish inhabitants.' The warring factions amongst the Palestinians should realise that this issue has put the whole global peace at risk. They should now look and reset their priorities. International Criminal Court in April 2012, had rejected a Palestinian demand to examine Israel's alleged war crimes during its Gaza action in 2009. The International Criminal Court said that only a state could request the court to intervene as Palestine was a UN "observer" not a "non-member observer state." Now the International Criminal Court door is open. Instead of risking being treated as war criminals, the 'rogue as well as democratic leadership' of the region can come to their senses, the time and geography can be reshaped, to start a new beginning and a journey of hope.
The Palestinians will have a difficult time in the ICC because one of the conditions is that they show that the state being charged has not investigated the charges themselvs. Israel has investigated these charges and in cases found soldiers guilty.
What will they show when Israel files charges against the Palestinians at the ICC?
The premise of the article and the film is extremely flawed. When the U.S. occupied Iraq, was it obliged to grant Iraqis the freedoms and rights of American citizens? The Israeli rule over the Palestinians is exactly the same. It is a temporary military occupation which will terminate once a settlement will be reached. Yes, this settlement turns out to be elusive, but that is definitely not Israels fault. Israel is not morally obliged to reward Arab intransigence by just granting Arabs everything they wish in return for nothing.
So yes, the Arabs of Judea and Samaria are not citizens of Israel and don't have freedoms and rights of Israeli citizens (unlike their brothers the Arabs of Israel who enjoy full equal rights under the law). But it is up to them to decide whether they wish to reach a permanent settlement or continue their war with Israel. When the conflict is resolved, these Arabs will have all the rights and freedoms of citizens of whatever Arab entity will be the party to the said resolution (a bleak prospect, admittedly, but not our problem nevertheless). As long as such a settlement is not reached, they continue to be enemy citizens. The Israeli democracy treats its enemy citizens by the same standards of justice and fairness as does any other democracy on earth.
Some of the phrasings in this article seem to be deliberately designed to convey the wrong impression.
"In similar ways, these men and their counterparts creatively interpreted international law to sanction house demolitions, deportations, extra-judicial killings and the classification of Palestinians returning home as infiltrators."
Let's see. "Extra judicial killings", a truly awful sounding name for a policy which is carried by, say, the Obama administration. By this extremely "creative interpretation of international law" it is legitimate to target enemy combatants who dress in civilian clothes if there is sufficient intelligence that these pose a clear and present threat to the lives of civilians. The Israeli judiciary puts stringent conditions on the exercise of this policy, probably more stringent than those of the U.S. judiciary. In any case there is nothing especially creative or extraordinary about this interpretation to the law.
"House demolitions". These are of two types. There is the enforcement of building codes, a practice prevalent among all law abiding nations. Then there was for a certain period of time the demolitions of houses of suicide bombers. People may argue that this is a collective punishment of inflicted on the family of the suicide bomber. But given the severity of the situation, when suicide bombers were exploding in the streets of Israel on a daily basis, the urgent need for an effective deterrence outweighs this by any sane standard. This measure was quite mild in comparison to measures usually taken in war.
"Deportations". Sounds like something Stalin or Hitler would do. I hope someone will illuminate me on this issue. When and where did these mass deportations, sanctioned by Israels ugly judiciary occurred.
"Judge Meir Shamgar, who rose through the military ranks to become a venerable Supreme Court chief justice", this seems designed to convey the impression of a country run by a military junta where soldiers rise to the ranks of Supreme court judges.
Since In Your Face insists on comparing with the US occupation in Iraq, let us outline a few differences; that the US did not annex any part of Iraq, that the US never tried to settle the land with its own ethnic group at the expense of the locals (hence no chance of their military courts discriminating like the Apartheid courts on the West Bank), and that the US occupation did not last for over 45 years (and it is not as if the Israelis are making signs that it will ever end, let alone that they intend to respect the territorial integrity of the land they have occupied).
Some of your distinctions are true. Nevertheless I fail to see their relevance. You could have added that the Israeli army wears different uniforms than the American.
The only relevant point is the duration of the "occupation". However I have addressed this point in my original post. The fact that a resolution has not been reached is not Israels fault given that it has continually negotiated over a settlement, only to get campaigns of terror and murder in return. Israel has offered reasonable terms and has been turned down time and again. It is under no obligation to just give in to the demands of the other side just because they insist on it.
Israel has indeed exercised its historical and moral right and annexed East Jerusalem while offering FULL and EQUAL citizenship and to its inhabitants (a right most of them, for their reasons, still choose not to fully exercise). That is of no bearing whatsoever on the question at hand.
Finally, Israeli settlers did indeed move in to those territories, but unlike your description that is definitely not at the expense of anyone. They purchase land legally and the Israeli military which is currently the authority there does not prevent them from doing so. I fail to see by what law they are obliged to prevent that. Hardly a crime against humanity and in any case of no relevance to the point discussed here.
Just to go ahead and prove Godwin's Law: "Historical and moral right" to annex conquered territory? Kinda like the Germans "historical and moral right" to annex parts of Poland?
Nor does granting equal citizenship really matter all that much when you drove the majority of the locals into the West Bank first (where they do NOT have equal citizenship).
Yes, you have to pick. Do you want the West Bank? If so, grant full and equal citizenship to the Palestinians. Either you have an Israel inside the Green Line with a Jewish majority or else you have the entire territory with a majority made up of Muslim and Christian Palestinians. You don't get to de facto annex a territory, grant selective rights to a tiny percentage of the annexed people, then claim to be innocent of wrongdoing.
I can assure you that the minute Israel acceeds to your suggestion by annexing Judea and Samaria and offering full rights to the locals living there, the world will be up in arms that Israel has no right to do that. They will then argue that its not giving the other party their right to choose (never mind that the Pals have been arguing since day 1 for all citizen state - without Jews that is.
Let's be honest, Israel is time and time again singled out for standards that no other country faces. War crimes? How many courts heard crimes committed by Nato in Yugoslavia, Libya, Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam?
How about other countries? Russia (in afgahistan, Poland, Hungary, Czechlosavkia...) What a laugh! Turkey (Kurdistan). Cuba in Angola... Where were all the war crimes trials in the Hague, did I miss them somehow ???
Settlements? Why doesn't the EU, propose labeling products from Kashmir, Tibet, or the even the Malvinas/Falklands Islands? Isn't it very convinient to start "history" at particualar time periods comfortable for the West? (IF french "settlers" from Algeria were forced to move, why should have the Protestants from Northern Ireland? )
In short, its pure hypocracy!!!
Simplistic analysis. In fact, Israel's occupation of Palestinian and other Arab lands is belligerent, brutal and illegal,i.e., in flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Flawed analysis. Israel's occupation of Palestinian and other Arab lands is not only brutal, it is illegal, i.e. in gross violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, binding on all UN members and also ratified by Israel.
Flawed analysis. Israel's occupation of Palestinian and other Arab lands is not only brutal, it is illegal, i.e. in gross violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, binding on all UN members and also ratified by Israel.
"Just to go ahead and prove Godwin's Law: "Historical and moral right" to annex conquered territory? Kinda like the Germans "historical and moral right" to annex parts of Poland?"
You mean you criticize Jews? Kinda like Hitler used to criticize Jews? Tell me, are you an idiot?
"Nor does granting equal citizenship really matter all that much when you drove the majority of the locals into the West Bank first (where they do NOT have equal citizenship)."
That is a BLATANT LIE.
"Either you have an Israel inside the Green Line with a Jewish majority or else you have the entire territory with a majority made up of Muslim and Christian Palestinians. "
Why? Because of the weight of your authority? Given your opening display of imbecility that doesn't amount to much. What is so holy about the the 1949 armistice line? It's a just an arbitrary line reflecting the facts on the ground right after the 1948 war. The 1967 war initiated by the Arabs created a different line with different facts on the ground. There is no moral law that aggressors get to reverse the results of their aggression.
"You don't get to de facto annex a territory, grant selective rights to a tiny percentage of the annexed people, then claim to be innocent of wrongdoing."
For your information Israel granted FULL rights to ALL the people who reside within the area annexed by it. You don't make your case stronger by making inaccurate statements.
This reads just like a classic example of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs web-blogging campaign that I have posted about elsewhere: designed to sound odiously reasonable whilst concealing an iron fist.
With the announcement yesterday (30 November 2012) of yet another 3,000 building permits for further illegal settlements on the West Bank, the patent falsehood of the claim that Israel's is a "temporary military occupation" is there for all to see. Israel is morally obliged to accept international law because it was on that basis that the country was founded in the first place. But, the country's track record in this respect is not exactly "world class" is it with just how many breaches of UN resolutions over it illegal occupation of the West Bank, illegal settlements, illegal expropriation of water rights...?
The game is given away by the Zionist reference to the Biblical notions of Judea and Samaria - which no-one else outside of the fantastical Manichean world of global Zionism considers to be of any relevance whatsoever. As always in the world of Zionist thought-crime/hate-speech, it is the Palestinians who have to make the concession, the additional compromise before there can ever be any accommodation with the state of Israel that has stolen their land and water, ruined their economy and killed thousands of its people during the decades of occupation.
The fantasy world of "In your face" continues with the repetition (in the Zionist lexicon, if you say it often and loudly enough it has to be true....!) of the transparently false declaration that the "Israeli democracy" (sic) treats its enemy citizens by the same standards ...as does any other democracy on earth". Ha, ha, ha - that's a cracker! Let's be absolutely clear about this: there is NO democracy on Earth that has occupied another country for over 40 years! Israel is utterly, completely, resplendently unique in having occupied someone else's land for over 40 years and then set about systematically stealing it as part of its own territorially expansionist agenda. The supreme irony of this is that it comes straight out of "Mein Kampf" and as pursued by a particularly vile bunch of racists in eastern Europe during the 1940s. It would appear that Zionists really do not understand "irony"particularly when they give every impression of having found a rather well made pair of jackboots lying around somewhere in middle Europe at some point after 1945. Upon being tried out for size, they were found to be rather a good fit. And they have been using these boots to kick the sh*t out of the Palestinians and anyone else who's stood in their way ever since.
What has become "in your face" clear after decades of Zionist Israeli propaganda is that Josef Goebbels lost one job in Berlin in 1945 and found another one in Tel Aviv/Jerusalem after 1948!
"With the announcement yesterday (30 November 2012) of yet another 3,000 building permits for further illegal settlements on the West Bank"
1. Settlements are not illegal. Repeating the lie won't make it true.
2. The overwhelming majority of the settlements are in parts of the territory (constituting less than 4 percent of the total area) which Israel has no intention of ever conceding. That is of no bearing on the fact that Israel does not intend to rule over the Pals indefinitely. You don't like this de fact annexation of some tiny part of the area on the other side of the 19494 armistice line? Fine. But it's not a human rights issue. It's just a territorial dispute.
Indeed Israel will not allow the Pals to stall time and will continue to determine facts on the ground. You Pals have problem with that? Pull your act together and come to the negotiation table with no preconditions. Reign in your extremists and speak with us in one voice. Today you will get less than you would have gotten yesterday. Tomorrow you will get less than today. Bad choices have consequences. Thats just life.
"The game is given away by the Zionist reference to the Biblical notions of Judea and Samaria". There is no reason on earth why we should accept our enemies terminology. What they call the west bank we refer to as Judea and Samaria. You're too dogmatic and intollerant for that? Go bang your head in the wall.
"Let's be absolutely clear about this: there is NO democracy on Earth that has occupied another country for over 40 years!"
You should chec your facts before you go ahead and make such a fool of yourself. U.S to this day holds many unicorporated domains and does not grant their inhabitants the rights and protections of U.S. citizens. Not to mention European imperialism. In any case even it were true that occupations by othe deocracies were shorter it is of no relevance. No two real world situations are ever the same. No dmocracy has had to deal with the kind of existential threat the Arabs pose to Israel. That accounts for the duration of the "occupation". Israel can not just give in to the Arab terms because some western dimwits think that occupation is unconditionally evil in itself, no matter what are the causes and context.
"The supreme irony of this is that it comes straight out of "Mein Kampf" and as pursued by a particularly vile bunch of racists in eastern Europe during the 1940s."
Oh, you are such a nutcase. Why did even waste time arguing with you?
@So yes, the Arabs of Judea and Samaria are not citizens of Israel and don't have freedoms and rights of Israeli citizens .....
Science, Logic, Pluralism and more Science does not support handling of worldly disputes based on hearsay and thousands of year old biblical scriptural tales, legends and myths.
The behaviour of 'holy intransigence' even before the ink on the resolution that was passed by UN had dried, is as 'illogical' as represented by a Talibenised mindset. Both mindsets demand writ of יהוה (YHWH)or Allah.
Please most kindly stop this blind following of 'scriptural Puritanism' encouraging 'Zionist mindset' to act exactly like 'Talibans.'
Israel responded to UN vote by approving 3,000 new settlement units and plans to build in strategic West Bank corridor! After 90% of the World voted for a Palestinian state under President Abbas, how is it fair to make a declaration of 3000 new houses in the West Bank? United Nations endorsed a two-state outcome. Israel in its settlement decision in the E-1 corridor, endorsed a one-state outcome.
President Obama and Israel's American sponsors need to ask whether this one-track Israeli mind is ''democratic'' or "apartheid" in its direction.If 'peace' is not given a chance now, will it not enhance the radicals' claim that peace is only an 'illusion'? This is a colossal blunder, Obama administration blinked as he refused to apply the enormous influence at his disposal to maintain the 'freeze.' Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's dealings and conduct with Hamas is one thing, but to run down the West Bank and secular-minded government led by the likes of Abbas and Hanan Ashrawi is a strategic blunder.
Scriptural myths and legends are abhorred by all rational man , the only exclusion from this abhorrence are the 'biblical prophecies of return. 'These biblical prophecies cannot become the basis of today's geography and political realities and need of cohabitation. Like 'rapture' and Ahmadinejad preoccupation with 'Mahdaviat' these legends of biblical myths will only multiply 'Chaos.'
The world cannot be run on injunctions of bygone scriptures. That is what Taliban try to do and exactly the Iranian clergy is bent on. We oppose both but we cannot be expected to be quite about this scriptural Puritanism, what is not good for political Islam is not good for Jews too. World cannot pursue double standards , liberal of the world look the other way when thoughtless arguments about biblical sources are used as legal mandates.
A progressive, secular minded Jewish community has to live up to its credentials of secularism and coexistence and stop this nefarious design to apply scriptural license to modern day disputes.
Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria, which the world calls "the West Bank," is at the heart of Jewish demands of the return to the ancient biblical heartland is the basis of Judaism. The aim of the religious right is to rebuild the 'Lost kingdom of Israel.'
Judea and Samaria is the heart of the biblical land, that Israel by virtue of scriptural book will try to hold, the main Israel of today is not the biblical return places, it is unfortunately the West Bank and Gaza.
Judaism is a religion. Its orthodox wing vehemently opposed Zionism. 90% of the original Zionists were atheists. Their point was that the Jewish people are a nation, entitled to return to their ancient homeland, which at the time was a virtually unpopulated desert and swamp, without a geopolitical name, within the vast, officially Islamic, expanse of the Ottoman Empire. The local population of what is today Israel and Palestine, was appoximately 50,000 Jews and 300,000 Arabs. Jewish population was small, but well dispersed and non-existent in the large Arab population centres of Samaria - Nablus, Ramallah, Jenin etc., today's northern West Bank. Jerusalem, which was not much more than a large village, had a Jewish majority, which it almost always had. So with 18 million dispersed Jews in the wings, most of them suffering under severe persecution in Eastern Europe, the idea made sense. Tel Aviv was founded in 1909. Intense settlement of the deserts and swamps of the Galilee, Negev, Sharon Valley etc, commenced thereafter. There was zero friction with the local population. In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration, viewing with favour the creation of a Jewish National Home in Palestine. This was followed by the League of Nations Palestine Mandate, which ordered Britain, the Mandator, to establish the Jewisn National Home. The Emir Faisal, the ruler of Arabia, wished the Jews a "warm welcome home". Mass Jewish and Arab immigration commenced to Palestine, the Arab immigration - from southern Syria, Trans-Jordan, Egypt and Sudan - being the result of the new prosperity created by the vast new human enterprise of the Jewish National Home. Paradoxically today, Palestine was a name re-invented for the Jews, in order to apply the Jewish National Home provisions to a tiny part of the vast Middle East territories controlled by the British (today's Israel, PA Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Hejaz, Egypt, Sudan). From then things started to go wrong and the world concluded 65 years ago today, that the only solution was partition between a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jewish state, Israel, was created. However, the Arab state was not. After attempting to physically annihilate the Jewish state with seven Arab armies, Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza. Another attempted war of annihilation, pre-empted by Israel, ended up with Israel occupying the West Bank and Gaza as well. And this is where we are. Occupations are ugly, so is military justice in the midst of an armed uprising with hundreds being killed every year in terrorist and counter-terrorist attacks. Few countries attempt to maintain any semblance of legality in such a situation.at all. I am not aware of the US and UK doing so in Afghanistan today. But Israel always falls foul of its attempts to do things properly due to its Judeo-Christian Western values. The result is this ridiculous attempt to compare military courts in the Occupied Territories during the Intifadas with the civilian judicial system in Israel proper. Something like comparing policing in Taliban Kandahar and Tory Bognor Regis. Now there certainly are issues. One of them is the West Bank settlement movement, some of which certainly is Biblical-Messianic. But that no more represents the 8 million citizens of Israel - including 1 million Israeli Arabs who are most certainly NOT second class citizens - than the KKK or National Front represent the US and UK. Yes, sorry, some of the rabid criticisms of Israel, do reek of singling-out and even antisemitism. Criticism of Israel is often justified and certainly legitimate, even when it is factually unjustified. But some of what goes on today, goes much deeper than that. It comes from somewhere else. And after 2000 years of pogroms, crusades, inquisition and ultimately holocaust, of Jews in Christian lands, we know exactly where from. And it has nothing to do with the Israel-Palestine dispute.
Get your figures right: by 1800, before the massive waves of Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe, Jewish population of Palestine was around 7000 souls, living in relative tranquility with 270.000 Palestinians. That made 2.6% of the population. Also take into account that many of those Jews were actually foreigners, arrived for religious reasons from Europe late in their lives. Palestine was Arab through and through, until a ultra-nationalist political movement from Europe sought to violently change the demographic composition of the region. It is not a surprise that Arabs opposed the plan to divide their homeland for the benefit of these foreigners. What people on Earth has ever welcomed colonization?
"Few countries attempt to maintain any semblance of legality in such a situation.at all. I am not aware of the US and UK doing so in Afghanistan today."
Do more research, then. Not only do our forces in Afghanistan have a "semblance of legality", they're actually there with the approval of the Afghan government. Ask the Palestinians whether they'd like you to stay and protect them from terrorists, and then respect their decision. Then we can talk.
''...most of them suffering under severe persecution in Eastern Europe...''
Most of them were suffering under severe persecution in Western Europe not Eastern Europe, such that they could no longer live in those countries. By 1939 over 60% of the Jewish population of Europe lived in Poland and Ukraine, where they were able to lead a normal life free from persecution.
''...most of them suffering under severe persecution in Eastern Europe...''
Most of them were suffering under severe persecution in Western Europe not Eastern Europe, such that they could no longer live in those countries. By 1939 over 60% of the Jewish population of Europe lived in Poland and Ukraine, where they were able to lead a normal life free from persecution.
I take you were replying astaris here. I basically agree with your post, and I think you agree with mine.
It's a natural bias all people have.
The judges see their duty as upholding the law in the context of benefiting Israel.
They can justify their actions by believing they are making a compromise. Allowing half the injustices is better than allowing all of them. I have deep concerns about such a line of thought, but it is easy for them to rationalize their decisions.
Christians have their Christian states, Muslims have their Islamic States. Nobody holds it against them. But Jews should not have a Jewish State and Hindus are saffron terrorists if they call their country Hindu. Where is democracy in the world?
Where is there a Christian state - apart from the Vatican which is of course an outlier proving nothing more than, say, Bhutan?
The U K has its Church of England, and Ireland is Catholic to such an extent, that if an abortion can save a life, they would rather the patient die than violate their religious creed. Is the U S , like India, call itself a secular state?
No country in Europe officially defines itself as a 'Christian state', maybe some politicians claim it's based on 'Christian principles'. But that should be Jewish-Christian-Islamic principles anyway. So no, your argument is invalid.
Is your argument - about some freak hybrid of Jewish-Christian-Islamic principles - valid for Saudi Arabia?
Actually, don't bother answering. We all (you included) know that it's BS.
Ireland isn't catholic. The Catholic church is absolutely reviled and we spent billions investigating them.
The Savita Haalpanavar case is a terrible tragedy but isn't representative of Ireland. Abortion is allowed in cases where "there is a substantial risk to the life of the mother" but wasn't performed in this case. Legislators haven't specified exactly what "substanial" risk to life of the mother for fear of a very vocal minority but they sure as hell will now as Dail is besieged by angry protesters.
Freely available abortion should be legal and will probably be legal in Ireland soon but hasn't been because it is available just 100 miles up the road in Northern Ireland and Irish people tend to avoid uncomfortable and divisive discussions if we can. It's a character flaw of our nation but there is a majority in support of changing constitution on abortion.
Anyway Ireland is definitely not a Catholic state, a priest (who 99% do fantastic work in the community) is likely to face a lot of hate.
p.s. Church of England isn't really a state church, more Catholics attend church than Anglicans do. You have no idea what your talking about.
I do have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about - that religion does play a large part in the ethos of every nation. What did godless China do to Buddhist Tibet? The money for conversion of Hindus into Christians or Muslims are always funded from abroad. Every human identifies himself/herself by their religion first and that is the reason the attack is always on the religion and not on the region, because by attacking his/her religion we attack the fundamental identity of the person. Whether it is devotion or loot that motivated the confrontation between Christians and Arabic/Muslims in and around Jerusalem in the Middle ages, the enmity remains, and the Europeans are in general Christians, if not Muslims. Being a majority, they have never needed to specify, but it is a given. It is the puritans from Englad, Spain and France who went to the U S and populated it after decimating the native population.
It's a little pathetic to see you so determined to cast off any Catholic connection with Ireland. You are so proud that a priest is 'likely face a lot of hate'. With all respect, every Irish I have known had affection for his Church and felt culturally Catholic, as many in Italy say. And whilst we don't go to Church (even less than Irish) we don't spit on our heritage.
The issue is not whrther jews shound have a state of threir own or not; the question is location of this Jewish state. Dont Palestinians also derseve a state of their own (presently occupied by Israel)just like your beloved jews.
A Jewish state is not the issue. The issue is eviction of local people and ethnic cleansing in Palestine. I hope we are living in a post-colonial world??
Any state based on granting greater rights to one religious group over another is abhorrent, and should be. Nor does this concept have anything to do with democracy.
The majority of people in most European and American countries may be Christian, but we don't limit immigration or property ownership to Christians, nor do we constantly fret about whether we're remaining a "Christian Nation". We certainly aren't denying the vote to a non-Christian minority in order to stay Christian (heck, in my nation we have a strict separation between religion and government, so that we find even the limited government-church interaction you see in countries like England abhorrent.).
You might have shown ahmedjcb the courtesy of dealing logically with his comment starting with understanding it, if you have the brains to. His throwaway addition was clearly just saying that claims to be Christian were largely rhetoric as consideration of the nominal common principles of the major Abrahamic religions tends to prove. Your reference to Saudi Arabia only goes to show that you haven't bothered to understand what he is saying and implying.....
Little by little, each and every justification behind the Zionist myth of "Israeli exceptionalism" falls away from the edifice leaving its foundations more exposed and the edifice itself progressively weakened.
Israel loves to view itself as "the great oasis of democracy and western values" in the Middle East. But, in order to protect that status, its use of military force has to be overwhelming. Its systematic discrimination against its own Arab population awards them second-class citizen status at best. In its treatment of the Palestinians, the combination of excessive force, racism, Biblical-fanaticism, Zionist ideology and a systematic abuse of legal norms makes a complete mockery of Israel's cherished aim: to be considered a western state just like any other.
Sadly for them, even though this will comprehensively misunderstood by the legions of Israeli state-paid bloggers who will soon swarm all over this site, Israel long ago lost the battle to win over the world outside of American Jewry.
It wouldn't occur to me for a moment to believe that there were "state paid" bloggers. Unless you can substantiate that you deserve as much credit as a spokesman for the North Korean government.
You give a bad name to anti-Semites. At least Himmler knew a lot about Jews. And you have no excuse for your rant because here, in the TE article is the most cogent evidence that Israeli civil society is tough and demanding on themselves. How long did it take British MPs to clean up their sleazy acts? Well, of course, they never did until the press exposed their rorts.....
FWIW I am not Jewish, have never been to Israel but do detest bad arguments either because they are produced by people who ought to know better (probably not you) or because they waste my time.
Maybe the Arab Israeli population should move to Syria. They would have a much better life there. Instead of being abused and systematically mistreated by fanatical bible loving racist Zionists the Arabs would enjoy a very fruitful and promising future under Assad's leadership.
Wouldn't the Israeli regime just love that?
Maybe the Jewish Israeli population should move to Brooklyn.
As the Jewish father of a friend of mine said: "Why would any Jew want to live in Israel? It's the only country in the world with Jewish janitors."
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An apology is due for your tirade and your libel. But Zionists don't do apologies do they?
Ah, I note that things have gone VERY quiet at your end after you have been shown not to know what you are talking about concerning the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' use of both paid and organised blogging to put the Israeli/the Zionist side of the story.
Could it just be that after having tripped over both your own tongue and your own hubris, you have fallen flat on your face?
Because your tendentious hyperbolic statements do not bring anything to the table. Hate-mongering is not going to bring both the Palestinians or the Israelis closer to peace. Please keep your oppugn thoughts to yourself before you post ridiculous claims about others. If it is anyone it is you who getting paid my friend.
A standard extreme-Zionist response: we cannot abide the facts you present because they totally undermine our position so we will denigrate you and label you an anti-Semite to try and shut you up.
Unfortunately for the galaxy of global Zionism, the critics of racist Zionism and the apartheid facets of the state of Israel will no longer be silenced by your pathetic insults.
There is no way out and no way forward.
If you believe that you are the chosen race or the master race or the few saved by god's love or law or obedience to the book then all other beings are sub human and can be eliminated to claim/cleanse the earth for the few who count.
And of course the devil is in the details.
I want to see the film.
Esteban - the Nazis thought that the Germans were the master race, so use of the term is a Jewish context is obscene. As for the "Chosen People" this is something that the Christians invented. The term has no basis in Judaism and doesn't even exist in Hebrew (the term "am nivkhar" is simply a modern Hebrew translation of the English term). The Jews, secular and religious, don't want to be master, chosen or anything of the kind. The Hebrew nation, the vast majority of which is secular, agnostic or atheist, just wants to be a free people in their own land, as recognized by the international community. That is the meaning of Zionism. And it does not preclude the creation of a peaceful, independent Palestinian state alongside Israel, recognizing Israel for what it actually is and was founded for, and forgoing any ideology of destroying Israel, either militarily or by way of swamping it with several million grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the 600,000 refugees of 1948.
At least Israel doesn't allow Jews to go off the boil in mental energy and application. Compare the amazing new article on "The Myth of American Meritocracy" in The American Conservative by Ron Unz.
Quotas at Ivy League Universities?
Still, if one considers the nurture side of Jewry, it may be said, without frivolity, that a flood of immigrants from the old Soviet Union hasn't emphasised the soft side of Judaism which began to emerge in the last few centuries BCE.
A question to TE? What general distinction can be made between the military judges and civilian judiciary? I wouldn't expect a US Military Commission to be the best place to seek to have one's rights upheld as if one were a US civilian.
I'm just waiting for all the usuals to flood this blog and call Mr. Alexandrowicz anti-this or anti-that...
The usual hard-line Zionist slur is to label those Israelis/Jews who dare shine a spot light on the excesses of the state of Israel as "self-hating Jews"... Expect plenty of denunciations from the usual suspects who will soon be out denouncing both Mr Mr Alexandrowicz, his film and anyone and everyone who has dared give him the oxygen of publicity. If the latter are not Jewish, then they will be ipso facto "Anti-Semites".
To the victor go the spoils. Why pretend otherwise? Fairness has nothing to do with it. Life is not fair.
Interesting. So that makes it alright then, does it? If you could let me have your address please, I will come over, turf you out and expropriate all of your property. No, you won't have any right of address through the legal system.
Highly unfortunate, but true...
Indeed, very true. But you must ask, why do Israelis continue to flaunt their democratic credentials to gain the moral high ground instead of bluntly cheering they are the winners and can enact whatever they damn please?
Something to think about.
How is what you're describing not fascism? Your "might makes right" policy may commonly exist, but that's no reason to endorse it. Isn't the point of the social compact, perhaps of civilization itself, to make life more fair?
Because of the nation's official association with Judaism, Israel's actions are causing a rise in anti-Semitism around the world. Although the nation claims to exist in order to protect Jews, Israel is doing harm to Jews everywhere, with its brutal behaviour and total disregard for other human beings.
Provoking violence against its citizens by stealing from and murdering its neighbours, I find it hard to believe that Israel exists for the purpose of benefiting its citizens. I'm sure a cessation of the illegal occupation would do more to protect Israelis than 400 nuclear weapons ever could.
Jews can best prevent the rise of anti-Semitism by distancing themselves from Zionism, and criticizing Israel's actions. This would show the world that it is the actions of that nation which should be abhorred, not the religion of its people.
In this way, we can fight anti-Semitism and the illegal occupation at the same time.
As an accession, in hind sight, there was no need for a special homeland for Jews, as Jews have been living happily, peacefully and honourably outside of Israel since world war II. Canada will be the first country to welcome Israeli's who find themselves incompatible with the attitude of their nation.
Right, because there was no rise in antisemitism during the last several centuries. The cessation of the illegal occupation in Gaza got the Israelis an armed military camp that fires rockets at them. I can understand they may not be in a hurry to repeat that experiment. All the anti-israel commentators here would have far more credence if they discussed the rampant terrorism and warfare that has led to the occupation in the first place. But you'd rather preach to your own choirs...
Unfortunately, you are right. Netanyahu and his supporters, both in Israel and in the US, are an anti-Semite's dream come true.
A commendable effort to expose to the world the real face of the "only democracy in the Middle East". Democratic for Jews, Jewish for Arabs.
I wonder what sort of justice is handed out in Syria or Gaza these days..or even Guantanamo for that matter.
What does that have to do with the content of this film. Keep your comments focused.
So Arab despots are just that, despots.
But Israel's soul and "conscience" is indifferent to the worst military regimes the world has ever known. Well we Palestinians have been the recipients of that injustice for so long.
WOuld you like to be a Palestinian subject to Israel's "civilised" rule ?! Enough to drive any sane man to extremism.
It is not textbooks, not upbringing, not our DNA, but Israel's inhumane and unjust butchery that keeps fuelling extremism. ponder if you could !
What was the injustice in Gaza when Israel withdrew and handed over authority? What was the provocation to initiate indiscriminate rocket fire into civilian population?
How dare do you say it's not the upbringing when so much hate permeates though every facet of the Palestinian media and society.
Furthermore, are you denying that Hamas' agenda is to drive every Jew out of Israel and to destroy it? Please don't disassociate Hamas (and their Islamic fanaticism) from the Palestinians. They are after all "democratically" elected.
You can yell "butchery" all you like, but there are no TV shows in Israel glorifying death and drilling in religious zeal. Until the Palestinians show that they value their children's life more than they hate the Jews, the will continue to be treated as rabid dogs who seek to tear your throat out - along with their so called elected government. Importing in weapons to fire into civilians and then crying about a siege.
I do agree though that the West Bank settlements need to be dismantled. I predict that when they will, they will get the same treatment as the green houses that were set on fire by the Gazans.
Ah the much flawed argument about gaza withdrawal. It never had much credibility and it's losing its impact.
American diplomats ( Israel's staunchest blind allies, not Palestinians ) describe Gaza's siege as intended to keep Gaza "functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis."
Israel repositioned its army, but intensified its blockade of Gaza's air, land or maritime borders.
Until recently pasta, ketchup and pencils were banned from Gaza. Banned by Israel, which has never ceded control of occupied Gaza, in one guide or another.
"Gaza's water supply is failing, as Israel blocks the entry of materials that could be used to repair and upgrade its sewage and water-treatment infrastructure."
Israel is more polarised than ever, with fanatics and settlers dangerously roaming wrecking havoc on any attempts of establishing normalcy.
Have you ever truly experienced what it feels like to be stuck at any one of Israel's barrier crossings ? It's inhumane to put it mildly.
Have you ever had to go through dehumanising interrogation at Israel's borders ? I did. 8 long hours, over 12 times so far ! I don't need textbooks to realise this is not getting us closer to peace.
Have you ever looked in the eyes of children who have just lost their parents ? Care of Almighty F16 bombs, white phosphorous ones that is.
We can never have peace until Jews disassociate themselves from blindly supporting the crimes perpetrated in their name by an illegal military occupation.
You may shout as much as you like, that does not bring us closer to peace though !
Thank you, TE, for publicizing this documentary. Without your drawing attention to it, I would not have known of its existence, although I have long observed the partisan, egotistical, inhuman, and often cruel and grossly deluded behaviour of Zionists, Zionist sympathizers, and Zionist hangers-on. Albert Einstein was quite right in regretting their influence on the true human spirit of truly Jewish people everywhere.
Is it right to say that Israeli Jews have not taken any lesson from the PAST?
ISRAEL and her Zionists supporters around the globe should take a deep breathe and think why they have to waste their time, image, reputation, humanity and Judaism keeping illegal, barbaric and ruthless occupation over the 4 million human beings rather than uniting together and fight a decisive war against the real enemies of Jews and Judaism, particularly in Europe and where they had been ruthlessly massacred using inhumane means some 65 years ago.
Judge in the time, against the tablet that is written.
Spare a deep thought for these judges who served to incrementally evolve the rule of law.
In otherwise religiously lawless lands.
Sorry to inform you, but the rule of law, human rights and judicial rights were not just "incrementally" invented but known since more than six decades.
Pity, knowledge was not accompanied with implementation.
Wanton interpretation of international law and application of "six" decades.
Rule of Law, Human Rights, judicial rights ?? Where in Israel ? Towards the Palestinians ?
Are you delusional ?
Administrative detention, without any access to legal assistance, no charges, house demolitions, extrajudicial assassinations, ... what human rights are you talking about.
Wake up !
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Says navy. Looks black.
This one looks great congrats
Very Cute, just not me. Love the idea though.
Good color contrast, I guess. Like the rest of the shirts this week, it's a little too 1st-grader for me though. Congrats anyway!
Again with a cutesy shirt...What's up with this week?
sorry, too cartoony for me. perhaps if the dragons looked a bit more realistic and less like i just drew it on paint.
Good for kids. Looks like a coloring book to me.
über cute....*sigh* definitely a good one from the Motherhood derby!
it's cute and all, but color prints usually dont look good on navy imo
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Nice, but the joke (the knight) is too small to distinguish. I guess all you people born post-1985 didn't get the Psycho reference in Momma's Boy.
look at that...a tshirt fit perfectly for a 7 year old takes first yet again. really quite astonishing.
*giggles*, I like this one but I've got too many black tshirts that I don't wear anymore - mostly because I don't like black tshirts anymore.
mscho wrote:sorry, too cartoony for me. perhaps if the dragons looked a bit more realistic and less like i just drew it on paint.
yeah...I was kinda questioning the single-toed drgaon.......? cartoony does kinda fit, but maybe this one takes it juuust a little bit too far
I think this will score well with wannabe parents or if you have a kid at home or if you want to think you are one (which is not a bad thing). OK, I just convinced me that I want one. Nite all!!
i like this shirt, and i hope the people falling off the bridge gets made, it was getting insane votes last couple days
eH9116 wrote:*giggles*, I like this one but I've got too many black tshirts that I don't wear anymore - mostly because I don't like black tshirts anymore.
.....black? the shirt is has quite the green overtone, and the background seems to follow suit, or at least through my screen it does ....maybe turn up the brightness a tad?
Nothing really did it for me this week, but this would definitely be a cute shirt for the Ren Faire
congrats sparklz! this was worth staying up for. cute with a twist. in for 2 one for me and one for the girls to share. we <3 dragons.
Tempting....but the longer I look at it the more I get this creepy child molester feeling.
jawnaw2000 wrote:Nice, but the joke (the knight) is too small to distinguish. I guess all you people born post-1985 didn't get the Psycho reference in Momma's Boy.
Momma's Boy was just submitted too late. :/ I would have gotten it otherwise. This one is too 2D, methinks. Simplicity can be a good thing, but I feel it's lacking.
I can't believe this got 1st... oh well just not my style
Congrats to the designer, sparklzk27, I was pleased to see that the vote counts went this high! As a mother I really do appreciate this design, we'd do anything for our kids wouldn't we? Anyway your win is well deserved for a very cute shirt.
I don't know why you're all saying it's too cutesy, I like it just fine. Dark humor with a fun appeal, what's not to like? In for one!
yay! in for one! congrats on the printing!
Love it, but its a little too cutesy for me, OR my son. Wont buy, sorry
I don't know what everyone's complaining about, I love it! I've never bought more than one shirt at a time before and wanted four of these (for all the moms in my life), so I had to create a second account just to get my gift shopping done. When my shirts get here I'm going to find matching jammy pants and my Mother's Day shopping will be complete!
kylemittskus wrote:Says navy. Looks black.
Looks navy to me. I can see the black outline of the shirt, though it's hard to make out. But the outline is visible, so it's navy. =P
this would make more sense to me if woot actually had a very young kid's size. seriously, "dark humor"? uh, maybe if he was headless or something. you don't always need gore to make something dark but there's not really any dark subtext to this picture that hasn't had the punch sucked out of it by eons of neutered fairy tales.
Damn, I forgot to update on time, so I didn't have a woot anywhere remotely close to the first one O:-) It's okay. Yay for first place! Congrats!! <3 this design.
NosferatuRed wrote:Again with a cutesy shirt...What's up with this week?
agreed. but the cutesy shirts always win the derbies it seems. oh well. here's to the egg timer shirt!
Congratulations to the artist. Not my style, but very, very cute. Very, very, very cute. Very cute. Really, really CUTE!!!
ihgg wrote:agreed. but the cutesy shirts always win the derbies it seems. oh well. here's to the egg timer shirt!
Keep in mind that the shirts I vote for almost never win. I voted for the egg timer shirt. Let's see if my jinx holds.
I don't get the sizing chart. What is WS, WM, and WL?
Gratz sparklzk27 for the design. You did a wonderful job on it.
aallawzi wrote:I don't get the sizing chart. What is WS, WM, and WL?
Women's sizes, they're cut a little closer to a woman's curves and fits a bit more snug.
How do you track a FIMS number???
Webfoot08 wrote:Congratulations to the artist. Not my style, but very, very cute. Very, very, very cute. Very cute. Really, really CUTE!!!
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The dictionary defines a paradox as a statement or concept that contains conflicting or apparently conflicting ideas.
Now, my fishin' buddy, Sean and I have certainly recognized, and maybe even reveled just a little bit, in the fact that urban fly fishing qualifies as a paradox.
We're OK with the common perception that fly rods somehow just don't work in urban waters.
We have grown accustomed to the odd looks, strange questions, or the guy who walks up to us and plants himself next to us so he can give us long-winded explanations as to why flyfishing doesn't work – even as we are pulling in Bass and Bluegill.
We've gotten used to the packs of kids running up to us and staring, the dogs on retractable leashes barking and snapping at our flies, the stroller joggers observing our back casts and yelling in that protective parent way to warn us that they are behind us with a child.
We already plan on giving away wooly buggers and short pieces of tippet in a somewhat self-serving act of charity that buys us a little peace and quiet and we are always on the watch for nefarious characters in the same way that our Alaskan wilderness counterparts always keep an eye out for grizzlies.
Yet, given the realities of our work schedules, our finances, our time commitments and the alternative, i.e., flyfishing only very occasionally, we have opted to adjust to the circumstances and be urban flyfishers.
To that end, we are always looking for new ways to engage, enjoy or enhance our chosen obsession.
Sometimes, paradoxically, new ways even find us.
Consider what happened to my fishin' buddy, Sean, recently:
A few months ago Sean made an impromptu decision to stop at a small urban pond on the way home from the office to blow off a considerable amount of steam acquired after a particularly grueling business meeting.
As he stood there, in the dark, muttering and grumbling to himself and hurling a Krystal Bugger into the inky blackness, a couple of things happened:
One, his blood pressure began to drop back into the normal range;
Two, he began to catch fish and;
Three, he experienced a heightened sense of awareness that he had not felt before while flyfishing.
Now, I'm not talking about a sense of awareness like, "Oh crap, I'm standing by myself dressed in slacks, shirt and tie in the dark in a (hopefully) deserted urban park griping out loud to myself and waving a very expensive stick in the air… and no one knows where I am."
No, I'm talking about a "gettin' into the zone"—that heightened sense of awareness regarding the feel of the unfurling fly line on the back cast, the heightened sense of feeling that same line slide through the guides in a smooth forward cast and even the heightened sense of hearing for the subtle plop of the fly as it lands in the dark forty feet out in front.
Yeah, in that impromptu moment, Sean discovered flyfishing at night.
And therein lies part of the paradox.
Flyfishing is all about catching fish, for sure, but it is also an art form and as such, there are elements to it that one might consider "active meditation".
I'm not going all mystical or anything. But almost every flyfisherman I know takes a subtle pleasure watching his or her line form a perfect tight loop and then lay out on the surface of the water in a perfect, straight line.
Almost every flyfisherman I know delights in watching for that subtle dimple in the surface as a trout or a wary urban carp quietly sips the carefully presented fly.
And almost every flyfisherman I know breaks into a smile when droplets of water shower in every direction and sparkle in the sun like a million diamonds as the line tightens from a solid hook set.
So, what happens when darkness seems to render all those simple pleasures null?
Well, paradoxically, new types of awareness kick in and new pleasures with our obsession reveal themselves.
Flyfishing in the dark becomes more about feel and movement. It becomes more about perfecting skills that may have grown a little sloppy and it becomes more about appreciating familiar realms in a whole new way.
Case in point: A couple of weeks ago, Sean and I made arrangements to hit a local park where he has had pretty good luck catching Carp and Bass after dark since his epiphany about night fly fishing.
We drove to the target spot and parked under a street light about two hundred yards away from the water's edge.
The air was mild and still so we only donned light windbreakers and the bare minimum amount of gear. I opted for a lanyard rig and Sean grabbed a small waist pack. We clipped on our nets and we both put on LED headlamps over our TU ball caps.
I choose a five-weight while Sean chose an eight-weight rig. He was clearly more optimistic then me but, then again, he had caught one of the largest Carp he had ever taken on a fly in this park after dark.
We tied on rather large, flashy buggers in the cone of light thrown off by the streetlight then headed across the wide expanse of grass.
My first impression, as we stood there waiting for our eyes to adjust to the darkness, was with the peacefulness of the situation. During the day, this park is loaded with runners and bicycle riders and kids on skateboards and an endless variety of dogs and dog-walkers. Now it was still and calm and a slight ground fog rose from the damp grass.
The water was glassy smooth and reflected the three-quarter moon, the treetops and the lights from nearby businesses. Near the edges, where the water was shallow, little wisps of mist also rose up and blurred the normally sharp concrete lip of the pond. We stood near the edge for a long time waiting and listening. Occasionally we would hear a faint splash but mostly we heard snippets of lively conversation and distant laughter bouncing out of the row of restaurants across the normally busy street.
When we decided to move. It was slowly and deliberately, almost reluctantly, as if we each did not want to break the spell of the moment. Our walking roused a mixed flock of sleeping ducks and mud hens who protested with soft quacks and grunts and moved en masse just far enough away for us to no longer be considered a threat according to some streetwise avian formula we couldn't figure out.
Then in our usual fashion, we split to the left and the right and began fishing.
My first casts were pathetic, limp tangles of fly line. I kept misjudging the timing of my back cast.
Was I really that dependant on sight for my casting technique?
I shook my head and muttered to myself and was thankful that Sean couldn't see the mess I had created. Then I took a deep breath and regrouped.
The words of a pilot friend of mine came to mind: "You can always count on your basic training, if you've been properly trained in the basics."
So, I took a deep breath, pulled a couple of yards of line off my reel, gathered it in loose coils with my off hand, positioned my grip on the cork the way I had been taught and actually closed my eyes.
This time, when I made my cast, I could feel the rod load on the back cast, I could actually hear the line move through the air with a soft, smooth whooshing sound, I could tell that the forward cast was smooth and straight and I heard the fly land with a clean plopping sound just like an Olympic high-diver making a clean splash on a 9.9 dive.
I was in the "zone".
With each subsequent cast, I worried less and less about technique and began to enjoy the moment more and more.
I marveled at the way the ripples of my casts made the reflection of the moon shimmer and sparkle on the water. I delighted in the peace and freedom of being alone in the moment even though we were in reality only a few hundred yards away from thousands of people. I took pleasure in "hearing" my line form a perfect tight loop on each cast. I smiled at the millions of starry diamonds that formed in the moonlight when I made a hard hook set and the droplets of water showered away from my line in every direction. And I laughed out loud each time I saw Sean's headlamp snap on from across the pond because I knew he was playfully taunting me with a visual cue that he had landed yet another fish
And that's when it occurred to me, in one of those great paradoxical moments, that I had to step into the dark before I could see the light as to why I love this addiction called urban flyfishin'.
2 Responses to "A LIGHT (BULB) IN THE DARK"
Great post. Makes me want to get out and try Night Fishing. Cool effect on the photos, all black ops and stuff. Great Blog!
Awesome post man,Well written!


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Sycamore Speedway
A great location if you want to race your car or bring the whole family out to experience a racing event. Please visit their website to gain knowledge on all their rules and disclaimers for racers.
CITY:Maple Park
The Arboretum Club
This beautiful 30,000-square-foot clubhouse features an upscale restaurant with patio seating and 18 holes of championship golf.
CITY:Buffalo Grove
The Dome at the Ballpark
Seventy-mile per hour riseballs, 240-foot frozen ropes, soft hands and lightning-quick reactions all wound into seven feverish innings of gritty, gutsy, fast-paced action. Welcome to hard-hittin', fast-pitchin', affordable family fun. Welcome to National Pro Fastpitch! Come out and chear on the teams!
Topgolf Chicago
TopGolf is an interactive high-tech golfing experience like no other. With state-of-the-art equipment, restaurant, and bars, they are able to take care of your every recreation, social, and event need.
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Turf Room
Relax, this place has a winning combination of fine dining and exciting atmosphere. OTB, cozy fireplace, fine wine, gourmet burgers. American eclectic menu that changes with each season. Whether in one of their three dining rooms, lounge, wine bar or track room you're assured of a great experience. So relax and enjoy the upbeat atmosphere, friendly services and most of all the unique gastronomy.
CITY:North Aurora
Turnberry Country Club
This private member-owned golf club features an 18-hole course, along with a swimming pool and tennis courts.
CITY:Crystal Lake
Vernon Hills Golf Course
This golf course has been ranked as one of the top ten 9 hole golf courses in Chicagoland. Situated in Vernon Hills, this challenging 9-hole municipal course boasts small greens, rolling terrain, tight fairways and seven holes featuring water. Golfers of all skill levels will appreciate both the playability and the eye-catching views. The full-service clubhouse features a varied lunch menu, which is served all day and a full-service bar. Banquet facilities available for up to 80 people.
CITY:Vernon Hills
Villa Olivia Country Club
This Killian/Nugent-designed course features five water holes. An Olympic-size pool is available for free to golfers, along with sand volleyball, tennis, a softball area and more.
Volo Auto Museum
The most under priced attraction in the area! 36 acres of family fun. See 300 classic, antique and muscle cars, including the country's largest display of Hollywood TV and movie cars! Experience the Military Combat Zone, a life-like battle scene with rare military vehicles and weapons. Shop 5 Antique Malls. Take a Haunted Trolley Tour. Enjoy great food in a Betty Boop themed diner and more. All in one location!
Walnut Greens Golf
Championship 9-hole. Perfect course for beginners and teens. Great practice course for all skill levels. Unique Killian and Nugent design.
Western Acres Golf Course
DuPage County, Chicago's Western Suburbs - This 9-hole, par-35 course stretches over 3,000 yards. The well-maintained fairways and greens, along with sand and water hazards, offer a unique and challenging golf experience. The newly remodeled clubhouse is a picturesque location for a special event.
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WhirlyBall Vernon Hills
WhirlyBall is a combination of basketball, hockey, lacrosse and bumper cars all rolled into one exciting sport. The Lake County location also includes a two-level laser tag arena, climbing wall, video games, pool tables and a sports bar. A second suburban outpost is located in Lombard.
CITY:Vernon Hills
Whisper Creek Golf Course
This beautiful course is set on 240 acres rich in bluegrass, protected wetland environments, and even magnificent rock formations with casading waterfalls.
White Deer Run Golf Club
Built on the well-known Cuneo Estate in Vernon Hills, White Deer Run Golf Club is an 18-hole public course sprawling over 240 acres of rolling terrain and picturesque lakes with bent grass greens and fairways. Able to accommodate small and large group outings and banquets.
CITY:Vernon Hills
White Pines Golf Club & Banquets
A local favorite since 1928, White Pines is conveniently located minutes from O'Hare, and its two year-round 18-hole courses are situated on 240 beautiful acres. Banquet facilities are perfect for golf outings, weddings, business or social events, large and small.
Wing Park Golf Course
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Xtreme Trampolines
Trampolines on steriods!! This giant warehouse is filled with commercial grade trampolines that are connected together. Play trampoline basketball, trampoline dodgeball and land in a huge foam pit. Kids of all ages love the fun and completely forget that they are getting exercise. Check out this exciting concept online for more pictures and videos.
CITY:Buffalo Grove


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The type of meditation that Garden Variety has been writing about is quite fulfilling. I also enjoy "active" meditation, where my body is moving but my mind is still. Sometimes that works better for someone like me who doesn't sit still well!
Yoga is one example of this. Also, there are walking meditations, such as walking a labrynth. I have some guided meditaitons on my iPod, and I listen to them while I'm on the treadmill at the gym. Of course, I don't want to listen to anything that's going to make me sleepy; nodding off on the treadmill is not a good thing! The one I listened to today was about Gratitude, breathing in Gratitude, feeling Gratitude expand my chest cavity, etc. I hold on to the rails of the treadmill (that's an important part!), close my eyes, and allow my mind to focus only on what's coming through my earphones. Even in a noisy gym I'm able to tune out what's going on around me and find stillness within.


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