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This article takes a correct picture of the political situation in Italy. I agree that Bersani and Monti together can do a good job if their alliance is based on necessity to have the majority in both chambers. In same crucial fields such as institutional reforms, market liberalization, corruption, budget cuts, etc they can really change things if the far-left influence is low. After the elections we will also have a new president of the Italian republic who will play a fundamental role to enable a good level of communication and to develop an understanding between majority and minority in parliament. If he somehow manages the Berlusconi's problems with justice we can have 3 responsible parties working for Italy and not arguing to each other for the center-right leader's trials. Finally, we need a strong Europe which is able to set ambitious and binding goals. This way after election in Italy and in Germany we will be able to see the european future with new optimism.
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There is a danger of under estimating Burly Boy but even more disasterous would be to over estimate the Italian electorate. The escape valve from a Frutti-Vendolo on one side and a half baked/grilled loon on the other might just let in a real clown - which would be a sick joke.
Dear Professor Monti
I'm probably one of the few Englishmen who read your 25 page 'Agenda ' almost as soon as it was published but, as I live in Italy, I have more than a passing interest. May I congratulate you on virtually re-writing my own critique of the status quo in Italy in such succinct and readable Italian.
L'Italia della bellezza e del turismo. (p. 13)
The whole cultural package from Etruscan sites to opera in the Sferisterio via food wine and painting that so delights me is just waiting to be sold to 0.005% of the population of the so called emerging nations. This is Italy's U.S.P. ( unique selling point) and that's a lot of tourists. How are we going to do it? Here's a few ideas.
The most successful tourist country in Europe is France. Go there and offer the number 2 in the tourist ministry almost any salary he asks for to come and clear up the mess that is Italy's attempt at self-promotion – lousy unilingual web-sites , crazy opening hours, a non-standardised hotel grading system and worst of all a disparate set of regional organisations each with their own local tsar. Give your Frenchman carte blanche at today's budget to shut down the regional offices and set up a national system of promotion à la française. When the number of arrivals increases, increase his budget accordingly.
Italy's universities (two of which I've taught at) are stuffed full of young people doing arts, language , economics, business degrees for whom 'the road out' is the best thing about Italy since there's nothing here for them. Create a Culture Corps and at minimal salaries bring them into the tourist industry. Your Frenchman should be able to devise a coherent career pattern to offer these cadets based on merit alone, since he knows, and is beholden to, no one - on day one. Students at university studying any discipline should get a premium for studying and subsequently offering the ability to explain Italian cultural achievements in foreign languages ; in the following descending order, Far Eastern languages , Russian, Arabic, Hispanic, German , English.
Rivitalizzare la vocazione industriale dell'Italia (p 7)
Your expressed need to reform the legal system should, I feel , have stressed the enormous disincentive to F.D.I. ( Italy has the lowest level of foreign direct investment in the EU) that is the result of a legal system that can take 10 yrs to resolve civil disputes. Ten years is way beyond most companies' investment horizons. This is pretty frightening when the remaining multinationals, including your own FIAT, who elsewhere absorb graduate output and give them modern management skills, are all making for the exit. It's equally symptomatic that the FMC's sold in Italy's supermarkets can be the likes of Colgate Palmolive products made in Greece of all places - rather than here.
Aperti ma non disarmati sui mercati globali (p. 9)
There should be more emphasis on fiscal and other incentives for small firms to merge, come out of the tax shadows and achieve the critical mass to be able to market and export effectively. To your 'consulenza giuridico-economica' I would add marketing and export strategies. Kids on their second degree in economics/business studies don't even know about buying and selling currencies forward. Who is going to put these 'consultancies' together? Camere di Commercio?
La crescita non nasce dal debito pubblico (p. 4)
Congratulations! You are the first person I've seen in print presenting the gvt.debt/GDP ratios in the simple way I use for students. E.g 120% ( actually for 2012 I'd say more like 128%) x say 4.2%
( for 10yr bonds) = 5% of GDP in interest payments alone. Of course this is shorthand as Italy's rollover period on average is about 7 not 10 years. But on the other hand my figure of 128% debt/ratio has actually been admitted to. En passant, it might interest you to know that I was teaching the meaning of 'lo spread' in 2007 in the face of fairly sceptical but much better qualified colleagues. So it's a bit unnerving to hear your President Napolitano referring in slightly dismissive tones to 'lo famoso spread' as if this were an imprecation rather than a symptom of underlying problems.
Sfruttare tutto il potenziale dell'economia verde (p. 11)
OK. Let's do the green industry bit, but why cover some of the finest alluvial flat soil in Le Marche with subsidised solar cells? And who will clean up the mess in 15 yrs time when the plant is redundant? Another set of subsidies?.
Despite the above comments, believe me Professor, I am a supporter of yours of long standing ever since your stint at the EU as commissioner for competition when you made a spirited defence of the much needed Bolkenstein proposals on freeing up services.
As a supporter of Vendola and Bersani, I appreciate many or most of your suggestions.
But Monti is hardly the reformer he pretends to be. Where were the privatisations of this market "liberal"?
Speaking as a Leftist, Napolitano is a very old man who should retire - and who in fact will retire within a few months. I might have been satisfied with Monti as the next President, but I think he has blown that stint with his ill-advised decision to enter politics. When Vendola mentioned Prodi's name as a potential candidate last year, I thought Prodi was not bipartisan enough. Now I am thinking "to hell" with the bipartisan spirit - and in the meantime, Prodi was President of the Commission, not just a Commissioner.
"… and in the meantime, Prodi was President of the Commission, not just a Commissioner."
Yes indeed. And also a much less effective and well-remembered one. The main point being that Italy's problems are more with practically good ideas than personalities. Pity that — commenting on a peculiarly sensible post — you are still insisting on old empty ideological clichés.
Certainly the "bipartisan spirit" is indeed an old empty ideological cliché.
Here's a news flash for you professor: the division between Right and Left is alive and well.
Very simply, in our country, it is overshadowed by the lack of media freedom and the many unresolved conflicts of interest. Not to mention the Vatican.
Get ready for a very long period of Left government Ferretti. If your kind had listened to the Economist's advice 12 years ago and voted against Silvio's disastrous party, Prodi would have had the debt load down to reasonable numbers (below 100% of gdp, anyway) there would have been no Euro-crisis, and the country would have been ready to vote the Left out of power, feeling relatively confident about its future.
Did you pay any attention to the election results in Genoa last year? Berlusconi's man came in fourth place - behind Grillo's candidate, and behind a grouping of Jurassic Liberals who had Renato Altissimo campaigning in the city for them (what, from a wheelchair?)
"... Prodi would have had the debt load down to reasonable numbers (below 100% of gdp, anyway) there would have been no Euro-crisis .."
How much more dreaming nonsense like this — totally ungrounded on available data — must you still inflict on us? Qousque tandem ...
How much longer will you defend the gross corruption of Berlusconi's governments that have left Italy an impoverished nation and then continue to ascribe Silvio's stunning incompetence to Romano Prodi?
Prodi was selected by northern European countries to govern the European Commission. Countries that would never elect Silvio Berlusconi even to govern a residential condominium.
He then dismayed many northern European governments because, surprise surprise, he actually believed in European Unity. And he put forth policies in a competent fashion that "encroached" upon the prerogatives of the national states.
Apriti cielo. the political Right, and even some of the Left in northern Europe, does not want political union with Catholic and/or Orthodox countries. And so we got two non-entities like Ashton and Van Rompuy to lead Europe who have done just a dandy job during the Euro-crisis.
The issue you so ridiculously raised, and I commented upon, was Mr Prodi's fiscal policy and its likely effects on Italy's debt ratio and the euro crisis. You are now trying to change the subject, and moreover are doing so by openly slandering me (I have never dreamt of "defending" anybody's "corruption", not even yours). In so doing you are openly displaying your very bad faith. And, as far as I am concerned, that is the final end of the story.
@ZORZON.I am afraid that this doesn't work here.The experience of the regions,useless entities whose only task is the managemenet of the sanitary system,shows that federalism multiplies the thieves and the expenses.One more thing:many federal republics do exist on the Planet,but all them have a unique foreign policy,one Army,one federal police leading the local forces.
Of course 1 army and 1 federal Police, is there another way?
federated countries, like USA, Australia, Canada, NZ etc have their regions/states keep 50 to 75% of tax to govern. The rest goes to the government. Italy need to do the same, its clearly proven from the very first Government in Italy 1860 ( which went bankrupt) to the current government that Italians cannot manage a centralised system, too much money is slipping through the fingers........it has never worked and it will never work.
At least, in a federated system, the failure of a state falls on the state politicians. What we have in Italy at the moment is a caste system of politicians, where they pretend to be against each other, but all make rules to favour each other.
While a centralised form of government runs Italy, Italy will never recover.
Centralised governments over-regulate rules which is detrimental to family-owned and small business. These businesses are the middleclass, the backbone of every nation, once the middleclass fail regardless of whichever nation, the nation will collapse.
Big factories = a socialist, communist slave state.
centralised governments horde a lot of money which is far harder to keep track off, this leads to money being pocketed by certain government people without being tracked. De-centralisation is the only way to save Italy.
Until Italy fully collapses in a heap of ruin and become the new "greece" is the only time that centralised, over-regulated, money thieves type of governments will be changed in Italy.
We must say something once and for all. The respectable Italians, the decent Italians cannot trust and put their faith in people who are spiritual heirs of the craziest and most lethal ideology which has ever infested the planet Earth: the Communism. Bersani and Napolitano are two former-communists, two scoundrels who have never renounced their faith. On these grounds to rely on such people it is not only masochism, but sheer madness. This Napolitano in his role as Head of State has now gone to visit Obama in order to have Obama's endorsment for his 'comrade' Bersani and in the meantime to splatter with mud Berlusconi and the conservative party in view oft he next elections. He's a typical comminist servant.
Please describe for us any crime of the "scoundrel" Giorgio Napolitano.
You refuse to accept that Italy is an upside-down country, thanks to the presence of the Vatican. And that in Italy, the only scoundrels were those who jumped on the American bandwagon to defend their version of "the West".
Sort of like Mubarak in Egypt.
He has always been member of the communist party and in his position has always approved all criminal deeds the communist regimes committed all over the world. This scoundrel praised 1956 Hungary's Red Army invasion with related slauther of innocent people. This scoundrel sang in Bologna with other scoundrel like Berlinguer, Cossutta, D'Alema, Bersani, hymns to Pol-Pot after his rise to power in Cambodia and so on, and so on. He was hand in glove with all red tyrants of the planet...and you dares to ask me to describe his crimes. If a guy agrees with what criminals left tyrants have done, he is cast in the same mould. My cat is laughing!
Monti is a ridiculous schoolteacher, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egoistical imagination that can at all times command interminable and inconsistent series of arguments, malign at Berluscoini his benefactor and glorify himself. In private life he would have been called a dishonest blockhead. A nonentity!
Berlusconi is not only a disgrace for italy, he is a disgrace for Europe too. If you love him so much i suggest you adopt him and share his underage girl, corruption forma mentis and leave italians alone
Since there are some ill-informed people who don't know how the s.c. centre-left is formed in Italy we have to begin by making a few general points. We must say first that centre-left is a wrong definition. The right definition is "left" because the PD is composed mostly of old and young communists and very few come from the 'centre'. What is this PD (Partito Democratico)? Let me put you in the picture. First you have to know that the PD is the spiritual heir of the old Commies. In order to become more presentable they, after the fall of the Berlin's wall, changed several times their old name PCI (Partito Comunista Italiano) into PDS, then into DS and finally into PD. They had to make such a transformation in order to appear fitter to be seen! But since the leopard cannot change its spots, the operation miscarried because they are from the bottom of their heart Commies and act accordingly. They only disguised themselses as 'democrats'. Among them there are some false Catholics used as straw men, baits to soothe the Vatican and mislead the believers. Bersani the leader of the PD is a former communist and for this reason is misleading to think he is a social-democrat. He is not. He is a communist of the old school and he and his ' comrades' were hand in glove with the Kremlin with KGB. Napolitano, the head of State, too. He 1956 praised Red Army's invasion of Hungary.
yes I'm nobody, nobody's muppet while you are cleary one of Berlusconi's muppet.
You can clearly see that the left party or PD in italy is a crappy one and I agree with you and would put in more argument to support the thesis that the PD is not fit to govern.
On the other hand you are blinded about the PdL and Berlusconi. They are not fit to govern either. The Craxi's era and its continuation has proven to be almost fatal twice for Italy in 92 and 2011.
You have a faith and is called Berlusconi, I'm an atheist
We must say something once and for all. The respectable Italians, the decent Italians cannot trust and put their faith in people who are spiritual heirs of the craziest and most lethal ideology which has ever infested the planet Earth: the Communism. Bersani and Napolitano are two former-communists, two scoundrels who have never renounced their faith. On these grounds to rely on such people it is not only masochism, but sheer madness. This Napolitano in his role as Head of State has now gone to visit Obama in order to have Obama's endorsment for his 'comrade' Bersani and in the meantime to splatter with mud Berlusconi and the conservative party in view oft he next elections. He's a typical comminist servant.
Mate, I guess you read italian. You can find here what I think of you beloved Berlusconi and your communist ennemy.
Do you still love nature in spite of the joke it played on you?
yes I do
This is unbelievable ! A comment by longman333 which could exceed 5 recommendation is blocked ! Why ? Simply because it's in favor of Berlusconi and is highly critical in respect of Mr. Monti ! The Int'l Press Association of AntiBerlusconi journalists strikes again !
No, because he's a troll and repeats his comments ad nauseam.
Don't feed the trolls.
An opportunity,this article,not to be missed for those who write from Paris that this is a dead country:a dead country that export more than Britain while carrying the burden of the Euro,and not caring on statistics on "productivity".All our history is a mess,a continuous struggle:at the old times of Dante he wrote
.But at the same time,and later,we gave a fantastic contribution to art and science.We still are a marvelous country,even if divided by factions but envied by our enemies,and capable of surviving troubles that would kill anyone else.The same Italy that turned into the fifth economy in the world after 25 years since the end of a lost war that left us totally destroyed.We preserve our identity of country of elegance and smart life.We only must get rid of traitors paid by foreigners,like Monti,and by the dark side of our world,the ex and actual communists of the PD ex PCI led by an ex communist like Bersani,trying to seize all the institutions to turn this fantastic place into the nightmare dreamed by their ideology.But all those folks are far from winning.They will go to the polls shivering,and they have some reason for it.
the real problem for Italy are the Italians.
1 of 5 still votes for Berlusconi. that's incredible!
just yesterday he said that he's in favour of international corruption in order to take more orders in emerging countries as India!!!
1 of 5!!! 20% of italians will vote for him.
who else is to blame??!
an Italian.
You are slow on the uptake! You have not understood what Berlusconi meant. Everybody knows that in the third world countries, if you want to strike a deal, you have to bribe people otherwise you are left without anything and return empty-handed..
Probably you are not working for ENI or any other business having Third World customers. Otherwise you would know that the probability you lose your job deeply depends upon the capability to win jobs orders abroad. France is cheering now because of the new won job orders stolen from their Italian competitors and their "corrupted" intermediaries are cheering, as well !
Hey 80% don't vote for him. We just need new and good rules to take advantage of that 80%. A Fundamental role could be played by all the European citizens by building a stronger Europe capable of pushing all the members in the right direction. Don't you think?
"....third world countries..."
Yep, big mistake to have allowed 3rd world countries such as Italy into the EU. Fully agree.
Italy's number one problem is the state of the public sector, which is far too large and too powerful in Rome's politics.
Frankly, the Economist reading of the situation is superficial and repetitive.
Endorsing the vote for Bersani's PD is the latest of gross misjudgements: when PM Monti a few months ago proposed a reform of Italian teachers' working hours, the day after the unions called for a strike, everybody in Rome was in the streets with their panino alla mortadella calling a day off, and Bersani immediately withdrew his support to the proposed reform in fear of damaging his ties with the powerful unions.
Would you trust PD as the party which has governed Tuscany, the Province and the city of Siena, major shareholders of Banca MPS, and appointed the majority of the board of directors of the bank for the last 20 years (filling it with incompetent people who could not see what the finance department of the bank was doing), would you seriously trust them to run the country's economy ?
First reform to be made in Italy would be to public sector: school and justice system as a priority.
Of course when the Berlusconi coalition made these proposals when in power in the past two decades, they were met as a response by shameful endless public strikes on one side and by timely court cases mushrooming all over the country against prominent figures of the PdL: dozens of those, and how many definitive convictions for Mr Berlusconi? He's still around, isn't he?
The man made lots of mistakes, sure, both politically and maybe in his private life (BTW, dear Economist, your line of not entering into private lives that you so fiercely advocate for politics, f.i. as the main reason for not endorsing Romney, shouldn't it be applied consistently?...), but the reason why many Italians are forced to vote for him once again is that such vote is the only way for them to show strong disapproval for the idea of a country which has been governed for too long by magistrates who want to remain powerful (above what the Constitution state in terms of separation of powers) and not accountable.
Hello genius. Shortly:
Strikes are not days off. They are not paid, and certainly they do not cover for your imaginary mortadella sandwich: this was clearly a very intelligent take on a rusty stereotype, chapeau for the creativity.
Powerful unions? In which country are you living? In the last 10 years an appalling school reform has been implemented regardless of the widely negative opinions of people working in the sector, irrespective of unions' opposition and despite waves of strikes. Strikes nowadays are just statements; they don't affect decision-making but send an opinionated message. What probably teachers want is that every new politician getting to power doesn't go on, as a first priority of his/her mandate, destroying through new means what was one of the best performing educational systems in Europe. Education is the investment of future generations, but it seems you'd love to live in a place with few educated elite (of which probably you are part) and a mass of ordinary illiterates.
Berlusconi was seldom acquitted. In fact, most of his processes went beyond legal duration because of parliamentary intrusion, ad-hoc laws, immunity, and clever (not a positive adjective in classical English) use of legal loopholes to delay proceedings (conflicts of attribution, legitimate impediments, and so on). When he was acquitted, in many cases it was so because "facts were not considered penal crime" anymore, because he had the laws changed, as in the case of accounting frauds. In most other cases, he was acquitted with a dubitative statement, which is not like saying you're clean and nice, but probably evidence was not sufficiently strong. Some of the stuff nearly comical if it wasn't so damn stupid and politically serious: we're the only country where a senile so-called politician can say with a straight face that he thought the minor he was humping was the niece of Mubarak, and people believe him. Incidentally, it's also sad to see that a Moroccan whore gets no visa problems and continues engaging in idiotic beauty events, while professional honest foreign men and women who could actually contribute to our economy have to pass through hell to obtain a legalized status.
By the way, Berlusconi had plenty of time and full majority for proposing changes to the judicial system and having them approved: in fact he did, when it was convenient for him and his band of crooks. Of course, he forgot that judicial system changes should have benefitted the broader population, or take away from the magistrates what you claim being their control of the country (clearly an absurdity). He also had the majority to change (and did change) the educational system. The appalling result is readily available through a look to all international ratings on the quality of educational systems in the world, no matter the methodology.
I have no sympathy at all for the Bersani team, but if you think some presumed interference with MPS makes a good electoral message for getting a senile thief again in power, either you are involved in an artistic attempt to get Italy closer to faithful representation of Allen's Banana, or you're just another troll in the Longman333 team.
Certain of the comments here which basically deny that Italy is in trouble are astonishing and depressing in that they suggest there is no need for real change. The data, as pointed out by this and other publications, is grim. But the sorry state of things is also clear to see just by going there. I live outside the country but go there about 3-4 times a year and each time I notice more shabby "Compro Oro" ("We Buy Gold") shops sprouting up, the cars look on average just a bit older and when you walk into a shop, the attendant will often let you know discreetly that everything is on sale already. It's a country filled with many desperate people, whose enterpreneurship and willingness to take risks is stifled by terrible management at virtually every public institutional level, beginning with the sickeningly inward-looking, self-centered and ignorant individuals who make up a large portion of Italy's political class.
Good attempt to picture the state of the Italian economy. It could have been said in fewer words: Italian economy is in trouble for decades and no internal force (be it market, citizen or politics) will be able to change it. Past Italian growth was based on inflation and/or debt and this source is dried up.
Italians live outside the official economy, they "arrange". As long as nationalistic denial is the main stand of the voters, it is quite claer what one should expect from these elections: same as usual, NO CHANGE.
The only help for Italy can come from outside, that is the EU kicking it out until it proves able to manage its economy.
Great article that touches lots of point that in italy none is talking about such as the unit labour cost.
However there is a miss judgment as it appears that Berlusconi is the only one at fault for the lost two decades. Yes, he has been a disgrace, but saying that he was alone is not true. He was in (good) company of the PD. In 17 years post "tangentopoli", he has been governing for 10, while the PD for the reminder 7
Given the above, saying the PD is a reformist party is far from the truth. The have guaranteed Berlusconi (sse Violante speach to the house of commons in 2003) and they are, as Berlusconi is, linked to lobby that do not want anything changed (CGIL). The non reformism of the PD is clear if you look at the incompetence of Fassina and Boccia whom have no clue of economis and finance, something they pretend to be knowledgeable. Fassina is not aware of what a CDS is (he made a huge confusion in an interview in 2011) while according to Boccia the great depression of the '29 was unlinked with the excess of the finance world of the time...thanks god he was not one of my teacher/professor
the PdL (Berlusconi) and the PD (Bersani) are the two different faces of the same coin. They want to preserv the status quo. The excess of politics is something that is not in the ageda of any party. Italians do spend 2.2bln to maintain its political apparatus and is of no help saying that you will cut by half the MPs when the cost is not only their salary but rather super cars, body guard, subsidised travel, meal, etc. To note that they apparently have driven cars that use more petrol than an F1 car...wondering in which cars (relative of the driver or politicians) the petrol goes.
Italian people, the one that are no scared, the one that have realized that the politicians will not do anything for the good of the contry but only for the good of themselves, have given up and those who haven't are aware that it is impossible to keep going like this and the disillusion of the changes post tangentopoli have been the propeller for Grillo. Those who realize that there is nothing more to loose, will vote for him. He might not be for the better, but surely he will clean up (ot try to do so) politics from corruption and the mentality that being a politician allow you to do whatever you like, including living like a king with taxpeyer money.
Also, Italians knows very well that Monti is not a reformist. Come on my dear Economist, how can you say that? Do you really think that taking the retirement age to 67 represent a reform for growth? or does it any tax added to the existing one? Monti has shown that he wants to preserve the current political mind set - milk the cow
The electoral campain is going about tax cut but none has the courage to say that Italy has to reform the tax system. Cuts are the effect of reform not the solution.
None wants to do that, they are afraid of touching vested interest (so is Monti). They do not want to liberalise. It is not the Taxi the problem, or really do you think so? The lack of competition is something designed by the law maker in area people spend money like utilities. Eni belong to the government and 30% of the income belong to the government. Will they want to loose the income by liberalising? No way. Also they do nominate the BoD of these companies so it is politically infiltrated. Do they want to loose that vested interest? No way
Grillo is a Masaniello that's the reson people are following him.
But if you want to know what Italy need then look back 100 years, you'll find a man called Einaudi. Italy needs someone like him, but unfortunately the skills, competence, forward thinking, and moral integrity of the current political class is far from the one of the man that masterminded the great italian Boom of the 50's
Good luck to my country and to those who hope that Monti or Bersani will be the saviour of a dead country. They will only play the part of the undertaker, while the executioner part has been played by berlusconi and Prodi and Bersani (as a minister of Prodi's government)
I suggest you to look after Giannino's Fare per fermare il declino. It is a liberal party and it's currently gaining more consensus in Lombardy. He does speak about reforming the tax system
I know Giannino and yes I think he is a reformist. Though I think he is driven by ideology which is somehow bad. I recalled Einaudi because he was a liberal (a true one) but was also very clever and his idea vere not grounded on ideological thinking.
To quote Einaudi: "you can not be always liberal or interventionist or socialist at all costs, every problem will have a solution of its own, dictated by an appropriate calculation of convenience."
Giannino is one way thinking: liberal, regardless the problem. And he is driven by ideological view.
He is a new clean face for italian politics, but he is far from Einaudi
You are too analytical. Why don't you start to have a different approach to choose a good candidate .... e.g.: using your heart.
I suggest look at Giannino
I suggest look at Giannino's masterpiece: the forgery of his false university qualifications (e.g.: his Chicago's master). He has criticized a great number of politicians of dishonesty and now one of his main collaborators has catched him red-handed. The collaborator has now left Giannino's party. A lie has no legs. Moralists are all scoundrels
Today the newpaper "IL GIORNALE" has discovered a video registration made in Lucca at 1 December 2012 where this Giannino is bragging, is boasting in front of an audience of students that he has got a "master" at the Booth University in Chicago. This boaster dared to say yesterday that he has never said that he had got a "master": it is all a misunderstanding he said during an interview. The funny side of the situation is, how everybody knows, that a 'master' is normally obtained after you have already got an university degree. Giannino hasn't got any university degree in his life. Giannino is the living proof that moralists are always scoundrels of the worst sort.
What has become of your Giannino? I have heard that he has come to a sticky end. This liar has today resigned as president of his party, after they discovered that he hadn't got any master at Booth University in Chicago and no university degrees as he had instead ever boasted to have. This fraudster strutted about that he was a true moralist and all the other opponents were scoundrels. That has been a true lesson to this trickster. I'm happy!
You are right. He did a horrible thing: lying. No excuses for him, I couldn't have thought a worst end to his political campaign. However I still agree with most of Fare's program. I still think that our Parliament, Senate and public sector is full of people that are lying since a decade (or investigated for mafia, abetment, child prostitution, fraud and so on). Keep in mind: I'm not saying that Giannino is forgiven to not have done worst. I said Giannino just because he was the leader of the party (as most people do with other parties).
He has cheated me too. I also thought he was a competent fellow instead he was a true charlatan who could only speak well. Of course all charlatans are able to speak well and be credible. Otherwise how could they diddle people and pull the wool over people's eyes? That was a close shave!
Your endless comment is yet another proof that some Italians still see politics as football supporters and simply cannot admit that Berlusconi and those who voted for him have been by and large responsible for this catastrophic epilogue. He and his corrupted allies have been in power for 80% of the last 20 years, so blame on them! "Good luck" is for people who still are unable to admit: "I was wrong about him". And I am afraid they are still quite a bunch for a (supposedly) democratic western country.
It's curious: in every profession in order to have success you have to face a lot of practical exams to have your preparation tested. In politics for some people preparation isn't thought necessary. Take the leader of the left in Italy Bersani (a former communist!) or the bankster-undertaker Monti for example: they are two ignorant persons (except for the basic school knowledge: philosophy the first and a smattering of economy the second), they have not even the experience in managing a newspaper kiosk or a petrol pump, fancy a country. That's amazing! They are talking about economy,work, growth, governance, taxes without having the foggiest idea what they are talking about: only baloney and tommyrot. About economy and taxes they don't know anything! Look at the nice mess Monti got Italians into!
longman333, try as you might, Monti is not to blame for Italy's mess. It was decades of terrible leadership, most recently the leadership of Berlusconi, that resulted in Italy having a growth rate that was comparable to that of Haiti. Italy is in the state that it's in because of its overprotective labor and other special interest laws, overregulation, a culture of mistrust, an absurdly slow and byzantine legal system and politicians, like Berlusconi, who are interested only in their own political and financial security. Monti took steps to break up the anti-free-market forces in Italy, to restore Italy's public finances and to grow the economy. It was an impossible task to complete in one year and in reliance on teh existing parliament.
You draw up a list of problems which have been tormenting Italians for the last 60 years all created by Italian politicians of the past not by Berlusconi who, on the contrary, has tried to solve them and to remove them but the old politicians of the old parties, specially the PD the spiritual heir of the communist party and the left Christian Democrats have done anything to put obstacles in his way. Let's get one thing straight: if the Italians want to find the key of their problems and don't want things to go to the dogs, they have to put their faith in Berlusconi because with the way things are going with Bersani and Monti they will all be reduced to poverty.
Just a couple of questions:
1) Berlusconi led the largest Parliament majority of the Italian Republican history. Why wasn't he able to solve these problems in such a strong position?
2) Why should he be able to solve these problems after the next election, with a fewer number of deputies?
P.S. The opposition of the Democratic Party was not so heavy (this is the reason why PD has lost votes from 2008)
You should know why. His most important ally (Fini) betrayed him and with 50 of his men left tha majority. You cannot rule properly if you are surrounded by traitors. The fascist Fini was benefited by Berlusconi when he was leader of Italian fascist party (M.S.I) and as all beneficiary had to betray his benefactor.That's physiological, typical. If this time Berlusconi wins the election he would be able to solve the problems because he has any traitors around him any longer. Traitors as Fini and Casini are going to disappear in thin air next week. Maroni and the Norther League are trustworthy ally because without Berlusconi and PdL the important North Regions as Lombardy, Piedmont and Veneto where the League is ruling, would get lost.
This Monti is not even a public figure. A man of no experience. And of the utmost insignificance. Listening to him is like staring at a cow for forty-five minutes. His Italian is very poor,dishorderly, ungrammatical and confused; his English is pitiful. He'd better shut up.
I really hope you are kidding. What has done Berlusconi for Italy? Scip 2 was a total failure. Tremonti wasn't able to do anything to reduce the public spending. He is a liar, friend of mobsters (dell'Utri etc.) and a fraudster. Do you want a list of all the incompetent people he put in Parliament? Just a reminder of all the ad personam laws: Legge Cirami, Legge Schifani, Legge Pecorella, Legge ex-Cirielli, Lodo Alfano etc. Can you imagine what will happen to Italian's bonds interest if Berlusconi wins?
If Berlusconi wins nothing would happen to Italian bonds. Berlusconi is for the free-market economy, great entrepreneur who has a great experience as statesman whom the other European partners wouldn't be able to deceive as they has done with Monti who was used as a bedside rug by frau Merkel, and would do with an incompetent as the former communist Bersani. Berlusconi is the only one who could be a match for Germany and France; the only one who could have Italy's economy grow. The other two (a former communist and a bankster) would sink Italy once and for all.
He is for the free market? Are you blind or what? If you can teach me how to vote for a party that betrayed italians for over a decade, well: help me! People who still believe in Berlusconi and his friends make me sick. If you ask to a Pdl representative about the wrong things he has done he will blame someone else (I was a witness of this kind of comedy). And just to remind the perfect english spoken by "Sua Eccellenza" Berlusconi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWa9U79-Yg0 Please longman333, help me understand: "ai consider des de fleg of unais steit, nosonli...", what does it mean?
Berlusconi's party didn't betray the Italians. Italians were betrayed by former fascists like Fini a true turncoat who deceived even his party embezzling some of its properties. You are free to vote for anybody, but if you vote for Bersani, Monti and Grillo then don't complain of your sure disgrace.
Berlusconi's party didn't betray the Italians. Italians were betrayed by former fascists like Fini a true turncoat who deceived even his party embezzling some of its properties. You are free to vote for anybody, but if you vote for Bersani, Monti and Grillo then don't complain of your sure disgrace.
An article totally desinformed.FIRST our economy grew in the last ten years,but in the black.So what?If you try to count the uncountable number of MERCEDES,JAPANESE SUV,BMW running in our streets,you will realize that this economy is what it is:the GDP of SWITZERLAND.TE wrote years ago that we lost 6% of GDP in the year 2009:some recent surveys demonstrated that it GREW,and that that fall was nothinhg else than the effect of small companies hiding in the black to save themselves from taxes.It worked
SECOND.As for Monti,this traitor and marionet working for GOLDMANN-SACHS,BILDENBERG,TRILATERAL is trying to destroy our economy to be sold to our enemies at sales prices.The running inquiries of the band of false magistrates and true agents of those enemies trying to kill our strategic assets with the backing of the ex agents of the KGB called PD,sees him helping those magistrates rather than denounce what happens.He raised enormously those taxes to finance the german banks:the infamous tax named IMU gathered 24 BILLIONS:23 wento th the european funds of "stability" helping the banks involved in the greek mess.Also,the first move of Monti was a law protecting the bonds emitted by our banks with taxpayer's money.A crime that we tolerated,hope not forever.Anyway,Italy is a far harder mothful to swallow than they believe.The incomimg elections and some polls shows it.Let's wait and see
In my opinion, the problem of Mr.Monti is who is supporting him. Mr.Casini and Mr.Fini are old politicians, they were supporting Berlusconi in the past(Last legislation).
On the Monti list (that is fixed) you can find old politicians looking for a seat with not interest on the best for the country. They just need to have power and money. This is the biggest problem in Italy.
What I can say is that a new party is rising, it's liberal, done by worldwide economists as Mr.Zingales and Mr.Boldrin. That formal head is Mr.Giannino a journalist. They are pragmatic and with a very detailed program. (www.fare2013.it).
I think Italy needs someone new, Mr.Monti, Berlusconi & Bersani are the past, Mr.Grillo is the dangerous, Mr.Giannino(Fare per Fermare il declino) is the new!
This article needs to be deconstructed. Its analysis is superficial and incorrect, although it expresses much of what passes for "popular wisdom" in the media and abroad.
At 11.2%, our unemployment is below the EU average. Your newspaper insists on hammering away at the 36% unemployment rate among youth, but that only means we are much closer to full employment among adults over 30. So? Young people are forced to live at home until 30 in the midst of the current crisis... hardly the end of the world. You fail to mention that many employed persons in the South are working under the table and that our unemployment stats have always been exaggerated.
The only difference between our unemployment and the stats in the UK or the US are the lack of McJobs in Italy. Even literally, in fact: McDonald's has 1200 restaurants in France and only 400 in Italy (other fast food restaurants are virtually non-existent). This problem could be eliminated tomorrow by liberalising shop hours. But would we really be producing more by extending shop closing times from 19.30 to midnite or even to 24 hours a day? Sounds like a recipe for: unlimited consumerism, an explosion of imports and resulting deterioration of our trade balance, less personal discipline, more obesity and health problems and students who study less frequently.
But we would have lower unemployment stats as in the US.
Some small and medium enterprises are badly managed?? Which ones? All of them innovate or die on an annual basis. There is a reason we are the EU's second-largest exporter. Yet you mention our exports as an after-thought. Let the British, the French, the Spanish, the Americans and the Japanese worry about their own exports: Italy has trade surpluses with all their countries.
Italian "uncompetitiveness" is bogus. At the moment, our country is merely favouring full employment over productivity. Notice for example that FIAT is still not sacking any workers, despite losing €1 billion on European operations last year. You fail to mention that rates of hunger, homelessness and crimes committed by citizens (as opposed to non-citizens) are all much below those of other advanced countries (but that does not correspond to prejudiced northern views of Italy as a crime-ridden, mafia-run country).
You also fall hook, line and sinker for the idea that Monti is there to guarantee reforms. He is not. He is there to guarantee Bersani's government will fall after two years. He is there to guarantee civil government instability, because that has always been the Vatican's objective within the peninsula in the modern age.
Italy has one problem: our national debt, and the resulting excessive taxes, that are clearly killing business in our country. What we need is to slash the corporate tax rates in half, as soon as possible.
But that cannot be done while we are struggling to reduce the deficit and debt load. Ergo, our gold reserves must be sold off (traded to the ECB in exchange for our bonds held there) our state holdings must be privatised - which would also have the triple benefit of attracting foreign investment and advertising a certain wave of "liberalisation" and "getting the political sphere out of the economy". And government expenses must be cut. How? Greece has already showed us the way: cut the golden pensions by 40%, trim pensions between €2000 and €3000, sack 5% of state employees - and cut the pay of the remaining 95%.
The problem is NOT based around removing the fragile legal protection remaining for those workers who are wrongfully dismissed.
We should ask the Economist if they know the real figures on unemployment in Britain, as much of it goes unreported because it is covered under the name of incapacity / disability. Britain has the same population as Italy but a much higher number of people on incapacity / disability benefits. Now, in Italy it is well known that a sizeable portion of people on incapacity / disability benefits are fake disabled, who have received their allowances thanks to a clientelistic political system (in particular in the South). If Britain has a higher number of working-age people (especially young people) on incapacity / disability benefits, that means that a very large part of them are fake disabled. That also means that the British figures on unemployment are largely underestimated.
... or maybe the Brits have such bad genes.
I wish the five stars movement be taken for what it si and nto shunned by any media outlet the Economist included. Their goal is fundamentally one: understand pleas ehow bad we are because of the politicians (all of them) we have had so far.
It seems the economist does not discuss favorably the Five star because if it ends up gainig some sort of power the Economist would then not have anything to say anymore about the ridiculous corrupt inept "leaders" of Italy.
Why don t you comment on how politicians are chosen in Italy to be MPs? WHy don t you comment on the scandals and the relationships of Monte dei Paschi Finmeccanica Eni etc etc with those that have destroyed Italy? No, you are silent, you support them. Pathetic really.
The Economist comments on all of that quite regularly actually
Since grillo wants to present a referendum whether staying in the EURO or not, it's absolutely correct to link a success of the FiveStar Movement to a danger for the EuroZone. In fact the referdum as an democratic tool wouldn't be really a problem, the problem is GRillo, who is conditionating his electors like Pawlow's dogs: "When I say Euro, you say OUT"! And that with wrong facts. E.g., getting out of the Euro devaluate the future Lira by 50% vs the EURO will generate growth in Italy. That's a hope not a fact. But he doesn't tell the people, taht they probably loose everything in the first place and can't pay their energy bills.
Since grillo wants to present a referendum whether staying in the EURO or not, it's absolutely correct to link a success of the FiveStar Movement to a danger for the EuroZone. In fact the referdum as an democratic tool wouldn't be really a problem, the problem is GRillo, who is conditionating his electors like Pawlow's dogs: "When I say Euro, you say OUT"! And that with wrong facts. E.g., getting out of the Euro devaluate the future Lira by 50% vs the EURO will generate growth in Italy. That's a hope not a fact. But he doesn't tell the people, taht they probably loose everything in the first place and can't pay their energy bills.
Being angry about the Italian Political is totally worthless when things do not have the basis for change. The Italian People are - generally speaking - too divided and too busy to protect their own private interest for taking care about the common national interest.
Each small party protects the very small interest of their little group of voters.
Mr. Berlusconi is still in time for regaining the credibility he lost. All he needs is a large majority, something that only the still undecided voters can grant him.
Monti will gain the credibility of the investors only he could succeed in making real structural reforms, something his center-left allies are very unlikely to concede.
Saying that as Mr. Bersani is a weak performer, Mr. Berlusconi is a powerful proprietor is quite misleading and not honorable for TE: we have a law that grant to the major parties the same number of TV's hours dedicated to Electoral Promotion for each of the major candidates.
Reforms were not made by Mr. Berlusconi simply because his party didn't get enough votes.
Saying that he was never interested in reforms is totally false. His allies and in particular the Northern League were not ready to endorse such reforms.
This article appears a mixture of facts (not always described correctly) and editorial writings: "the nightmare would be for Mr. Berlusconi to overtake Bersani and win ..." is a free totally sided opinion.
I see hope. Italy is still in thrall to the older generation, but the mentality is shifting rapidly. Those over 70 probably left school at 12-14, those over 50 at 14-16, the youth of today either at 20(ish) so people under 30 probably have 10 more years education than their grandparents - at some stage they will realise this and will discount the 'old ways' as the product of a bygone era. Just like horseshoes, sharecropping and arrows - the time has past, blind obedience to the elders is no longer needed... will any of the Italian youth still left in the country please stand up and make a noise.
Since after every victorious war there is a baby boom, and since the only war Italy ever won was WWI, our problem has been with the generation born in circa 1919-1929. I think, finally, that these voters count less. But the young people need to take their liberty, it will not be granted to them. A very good battle would have been to bring the right to vote for the Senate down to 18 from 25 years old. But every time I have suggested that locally over the last decade, it seems like such a non-starter...
By not allowing young adults to vote for the Senate, we enforce the idea (from about a century ago) that you are not an adult until you reach 25. This almost guarantees that it is virtually impossible to work, rent or buy a car or house in those years, which is the source of Italy's "high unemployment" statistics - mostly concentrated in the 18-25 bracket.
You are very optimistic about the educational levels of older generations in Italy. Talking about the working-class, compulsory education in the age range 11-14 (lower middle school) was introduced only in 1962 but it was fully implemented and enforced only much later. In other words, at least all through the 1970s it was still possible to leave school before the compulsory age without getting the police at the door. Though the completion of upper secondary school is still non-compulsory, now Italy's A-level students have reached and sometimes overcome the figures of countries with an older history of mass education. It is in the field of higher education and post-graduate education that the Italian figures are still considerably lower than the EU average and the Lisbon objectives.
"..the only war Italy ever won was WWI ..."
In what alternate universe did that happen?
Italy did not win the war. It was just admitted
to the winning side to steal land from the Austrians.
We must have a stomach for bullshit to endure Monti - to say nothing of the zombie-like expression he mistakes for ruling. This zombie dares to say that he has saved Italy. On the contrary during his government Italian public debt exceeded 2.000 Bill. euro, unemployment doubled and growth went below zero. This fellow, who doesn't know any more about politics and economy than a pig knows about Sunday, and he has also shown that he is not possessed of the backbone of an angleworm, dares to "ascend" in politics. Perhaps not all know that this guy has a lot of skeletons in his cupboards and in his backyard, since he was advisor of the merchant bank Goldman Sacks which with the Lehman Brothers contributed to trigger off the financial world crisis we are in and he was senior member of the trading agency Moody's which together with its sister Standard & Poor Mr Obama is on the point to press charges of criminal association against. The other competitor is the former Communist Bersani who would bring Italy directly to the default and to the disaster anyhow as all communists usually do.... since he hasn't the faintest idea about politics and free market economy. All considered we think that Berlusconi is the only candidate available and in a certain sense more trustworthy and more competent than the two above mentioned fellows....
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Annual to shrub, some aquatic. Leaf: basal or cauline, alternate or opposite (whorled), simple, entire to dentate or lobed, venation generally pinnate; stipules 0. Inflorescence: raceme, spike, or flowers axillary in 1–few-flowered clusters; flowers few to many, each subtended by 1 bract. Flower: unisexual or bisexual, radial or bilateral; sepals 4–5, generally fused at base; corolla 4–5-lobed, scarious or not, persistent or not, generally 2-lipped, upper lip generally 2-lobed, lower generally 3-lobed, spur present or not, tube sac-like at base or not; stamens 2 or 4, alternate corolla lobes, epipetalous, staminode 0 or 1–2, anthers opening by 2 slits; ovary superior, [1]2–4-chambered, style 1, stigma lobes 0 or 2. Fruit: generally a capsule, septicidal, loculicidal, circumscissile, or dehiscing by terminal slits or pores.
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It is worth mentioning that one of the B. Eurosport guys noted that they wouldn't get level fours on the pattern dance due to errors on the twelvth step in each pattern
It is worth mentioning that one of the B. Eurosport guys noted that they wouldn't get level fours on the pattern dance due to errors on the twelvth step in each pattern
Anissina has no pull with the Russian Fed since she "defected" to France to win Olympic gold, however, she is a personality in the tabloids now that she is back living in Russia and could affect general audience reaction against American skaters in general - back to the old "cold war" type of thinking. Of course the Russian Fed will do all they can to push Bobrova & Soloviev, so we will see what happens at Cup of Russia this week.
Anyone who followed reports in the North American media around the time of the Vancouver Olympics would have seen the exact same thing. I won't rehash the Inman e-mail mess, but the criticism of Plushenko before and after the event was way over the top, and some of the stuff about DomShabs was far uglier than their OD costumes.
The Russian Fed will do what they can to push B/S because that's their current no. 1 dance team. Just as Skate Canada will push V/M, and USFSA will push D/W, and the FFSG will push P/B. We'll see who skates best - and who politics best - in a couple of years.
I have a ton of respect for P/B because they're a team who really had to work their way up the rankings from a fairly low starting point, and improved steadily both as technicians and as performers. Not a lot of teams have the patience and the commitment to keep at it, and not a lot of federations are willing to support such a process these days. I find that to be a wonderful example to younger teams.
ITA, that P&B are a wonderful example to other teams. And I agree that all federations politick, either more or less effectively for their top teams. In the case of USFS, the politicking of Igor Shpilband is about 50x more effective than the politicking of USFS, who have never given a rusty hoot about ice dance, and have generally been very ineffective. Igor, OTOH, has demonstrated effectiveness.
The Inman email is one example of the ineffectiveness of USFS connected people-one does not put one's eville intentions in an email for all the world to see, if one is to be effective.
I don't get what you thought was particularly ugly about the DomShabs's situation that they didn't bring on themselves. They got a sideways exemption for using props that was legal, but rather repugnant. They skated an excellent Tango Romantica (amazing, considering the state of Maxim's knees). They skated a weak FD. And their OD was so wrong in so many ways that it is difficult to count them, although it was clear that some fans of theirs did not understand at all why many people found it objectionable.
However, it is possible to demonstrate that it was indeed objectionable to some non-fan people, because the British composer of Indian ethnicity who wrote a section of the music they used at Euros was so offended she refused to give them permission to use the music again (and of course, they had never asked her in the first place). That composer was not from North America, and I don't think anyone in the UK thought the Kerrs had a shot for a medal, so I think she qualifies as an uninvoved observer. And the Australian people that the team said the dance was representative of at Europeans registered their unhappiness as well. A great deal of patching had to be done to replace the music, but the DomShabs should have asked the composer first, and they should have consulted an expert in Australian dances if they wanted to be controversy free.
Granted, a number of American fans thought B&A should have gotten the bronze, but preference for your own team is business as usual, and not particularly ugly, IMO, although some of the ways people express this can be ugly.
Please explain?
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I suspect all this is true, especially the part about Igor. But I must say, the Inman e-mail proved to be highly effective.
Well, one example that comes to mind is an American skating journalist who basically wrote that their lead after the CD was evidence of a conspiracy against the NA teams, something that observers couldn't understand, and generally a terrible thing. That was pretty out of line, IMO. I'm fine with criticism of their OD and of course the costumes, but some of it was very over the top, with unpleasant insinuations about the DomShabs on a personal level. Shabalin's post-event comments were taken out of context in some places, to make it appear as though he'd been showing poor sportsmanship. That sort of thing. I'm not a fan of DomShabs (though I am ever grateful to them for introducing me to the Double Life of Veronique score) so I didn't keep close track of what appeared where, but I felt that some journalists cast them in the role of the Evil Russians, and no matter what one thinks of their skating and programs, that was unfair.I don't get what you thought was particularly ugly about the DomShabs's situation that they didn't bring on themselves. They got a sideways exemption for using props that was legal, but rather repugnant. They skated an excellent Tango Romantica (amazing, considering the state of Maxim's knees). They skated a weak FD. And their OD was so wrong in so many ways that it is difficult to count them, although it was clear that some fans of theirs did not understand at all why many people found it objectionable.
As for the OD, I'll never understand why someone as savvy as Linichuk sabotaged her team in such a way. But treading more carefully, I feel that there is probably greater sensitivity to such displays in some cultures, and I can understand how some people might have found the controversy confusing.
Shabalin DID make sour grapes remarks. He said V/M maybe did skate well enough for gold, but that D/W should never have been placed above himself and Domnina.
Here's a translation of the interview:
Note that what he is talking about is D&W's Bollywood OD.: As you had to get used to the Olympic games result. I still find it hard to put into words what do I feel about your placement. I realize with the state of your legs the bronze was the best you could had hoped for. On the other hand it's not for the bronze you went to Vancouver..
MS: No, not the bronze. Hence I have mixed feelings about the medal. It was a hard thing to get. From that perspective our participating the Olympics is a huge win. But we were going for the gold. We were fighting for the gold.
V: Really?
MS: Yes. It became clear we don't have a chance after the Original Dance.
V: It is probably hard to be objective while in the middle of the competition compared to the outside glance. But let me remark: it was obvious for the outsiders that the first two places will be decided between the Canadians Virtue-Moir and the Americans Davis-White.
MS: I disagree. Oh yes, the Canadians - they are brilliant and it's obvious, even though am not overwhelmed by their programmes. If Oxana and I didn't have to make changes in the programmes according to my leg's state I don't think Virtue/Moir had a chance to beat us. What the Americans showed doesn't look like and ice dance to me at all. I can only see the kids who are running fast across the ice and do some acrobatics. If I were a judge at the Original I would put them outside the top 3.
vs his & Oksana's so ice dance Aborigine OD. Here's the Euros version:
Here's the GPF version of D&W's Bollywood.
(Olympic videos vanish off youtube)
I can tell which OD I think looks more like a dance.
Inmans email was effective. Two judges gave Plushenko fives in transitions! Only people in the first group got that. Kevin Van Der Perren didn't get any fives. Weir got no fives when he got a three from inman at us nationals. The inman email was one of the more effective politics against any skater at an olympics of all time! The people had stopped judging what was on the ice and just went by inman's email.
DW OD was Bollywood movie dance I am not sure about real traditional Indian dance and I beleive there is a difference but his comments are way more true about Davis and White free dance which was not dance at all in any way.
This was an interview from June 2010, and I was referring to comments attributed to him at the Olympics, and which where taken out of context. I don't recall Shabalin making any actual unsportsmanlike comments at the Olympics. And he was not the only one whose comments were misrepresented at the time; Massimo Scali also ran into, shall we say, an overzealous reporter, in the mixed zone after the FD. As for the interview itself - Russian interviews are always interesting! Not canned answers there... obviously DomShabs were greatly handicapped by his injury, though I'm sure V/M didn't have an easy time of it health-wise, either. I do kind of wonder what DomShabs' programs would have been like had his knee been in better shape; would they really have done such a ridiculous OD? As for his thoughts about D/W - I can't say I haven't expressed similar opinions at times, though obviously my status is rather different than his. I'm not sure how I feel about it; not everyone's obliged to appreciate D/W, and in addition, he was retired by then; I don't have as big an issue with critical comments when skaters aren't going head to head anymore. That having been said, he probably should have toned it down. BTW, going into the Olympics, there were quite a few comments from several of the men about how they were being underscored, their opponents overscored, their opponents had mediocre programs, the judges had it in for them etc., but I don't recall anything like that in the other disciplines.
Since this is a post-season and post-retirement interview, it doesn't change my opinion about the media coverage of DomShabs at and immediately after the Olympics. Plushenko and the Inman e-mail are fast approaching dead horse status - if they're not there already - so I won't go there.
BTW, you can view the the entire dance event - all three segments - on Youtube via the Vancouver Olympics official channel (here's the figure skating playlist, and the direct link to the OD). This channel also has the complete men's event (I refuse to watch that, too traumatizing), the pairs and the gala. Personally, my favorite ODs that season were V/M's and F/S's.
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and yet it was a big hit in India...
NBC is sooooooooooooo biased against the Russians... in 1994 (for CBS) it was the former East Germans... US Media, when it comes to the olympics, is always extremely pro US (makes sense) and in skating's case is always anti-Russia... they all pretty much peed themselves with glee when Russia failed to make the podium in Pairs... I don't think commentators like Besic or Hamilton truly believe in the whole "cold war" mentality, but they want to keep their jobs so they say what they're told... Scott said as much in his book referring to the 1994 olympics. Not the best character trait, but when it's all you've got I can see why you would do just enough to keep the bosses happy... I guess.
Last edited by Tonichelle; 11-22-2011 at 04:21 PM.
Their OD was a big hit in India - it was very reflective of the movie culture and they took it as a compliment!!
Jan Hoffman is very respected but was bashed as another East German stealing Kerrigan's gold.
Bezic and Hamilton did not have any use for B/S or T/M. They just loved the Canadians and the Chinese. NBC was just as into S/Z in 2006 as 2010. S/Z got the stories and maybe because S/Z made efforts to`Americanize their choreo.
Re effectiveness of Inman email:
Plushenko certainly fell into Inman's narrative by saying of course he had no transitions, though. Hard to argue with the horse's mouth himself.
Re US commentating:
OTOH, Dick Button totally adored B&S. And G&G. And for that matter G&P. Ans Shen & Zhao...If some team or skater was having a great performance, Dick was over the moon happy, regardless of country. More over the moon if it were a US skater, but still he wasn't hating on great performances.
IN fact, that's why with all his verbal gaffes, I still like Dick as a commentator a lot better than Scotty. He has his biases (like for a particular position in the layback versus other positions) but he is not as US-centric as Scotty. Or perhaps NBC is more US-centric today than ABC was in 1988, for example? I'm in no position to know.
Re: Bollywood
Yes, taking a representation of your culture as a compliment is such a bad thing At least its a better response than completely angering the people you are trying to represent. Who knows? Maybe some Indian kids will take up ice dance now? You never know.
IIRC Dick was more US centric when on NBC than he was ABC... ABC pushed the US team, but wouldn't deny the other countries their praise... NBC definitely does that. I think of the three big networks that have had the Olympics/Worlds/Figure Skating since I've been around NBC is the most "digusting" in how they push the agenda... CBS comes second, ABC third... Terry Gannon, though, doesn't seem to play by that rule, so we may see a little less anti-everybody else from here on out, I don't know.


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Yankees 7, Orioles 2: Yankees' Russell Martin hits the go-ahead home run in the ninth.
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Needing a mulligan: Orioles closer Johnson allowed two runs over his previous 26 outings on his way to a club-record 51 saves. He gave up all five runs in the disastrous ninth. Baltimore has thrived because of its bullpen and Johnson will have to be there if the Orioles are to advance.
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Electric Shredder Easily Turns Leaves into Nutritious Mulch
- Shred leaves to use as mulch or to add to compost pile
- Electric shredder is easy and efficient to operate
- Lightweight and quieter than gasoline-powered shredders
- Sets up in minutes; nests for storage
Leaves are one of nature's best soil conditioners, but a few trees' worth of fallen leaves can really add up. This easy-to-operate electric shredder converts 11 bags of leaves into one bag of mulch without the hassle and fumes of gas-powered models. Made by Worx, it sets up easily and nests for compact storage.
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- Pulverized Leaves
- Doesn't Hold Bags Easily
- Frequent String Changes
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take antihistamine if you are allergy prone
makes a bit of a mess
- Compact Design
- Easy On Off
- Easy Set-up
- Cuttingline Wearsout Fast
- Jams
- Very Slow
Best Uses
- Very Small Jobs
Comments about Electric Leaf Shredder:
Used the leaf shredder to create leaf mulch for my roses. It would have been easier to use my lawnmower the way I have in the past. The shredder becomes very quickly over-loaded and cuts the same leaves at the bottom of the funnel over and over without releasing them and does not circulate to the uncut leaves. You end up having to either load the funnel in very small amounts which causes them to fall through the funnel and not be cut enough, or having to hand-mix the leaves with a thick stick and shake the cut leaves out of the bottom to release them.
- Compact Design
- Easy Clean-up
- Great Mulch
- Shreds The Leaves For Gre
- Cut Lines Wear Down Fast
Best Uses
- Mulch & Fertilizer
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I just got this & am using it for the first time today. This product is extremely easy to set up, use, and move around-I'm pretty strong, but I think just about anybody who gardens could move this. No need to bag the shredded leaves-I just set it up in a place in my beds I want to mulch & shredded away until I was ready to move to another area. Took a rake to spread it a bit. My only complaint is that the cutting lines MUST be changed frequently. I've used it for 2 hours now & just put in my 3d set. The mulch is noticeably finer the first couple of loads. Do not pack the funnel. It doesn't work as well. Curious what the life of this will be. It's getting some pretty heavy use here in the next few weeks, as I've got several hundred bags of leaves stored up.
- Compact Design
- Easy Clean-up
- Easy Dissambly For Storag
- Easy Onoff Switch
- Even Consistency in Mulch
- A Little Noisy
Best Uses
- Dry Leaves
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Great to be able to easily clean up the yard and quickly apply leaf mulch to the vegetable and perennial beds. Everything looks so tidy and it is recycling at its best!
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Just tried for the first time today and mulched about 15 bags of leaves in a short time. Previous reviewers have accurately described the design and operation.
Please note that your leaf mulch will not drop neatly into a trug as pictured. I put a heavy duty polypro leaf bag inside the stand and wrapped it over the top of the frame. This worked well. When you operate the mulcher, leaf debris flies all over the place---some out the top of the hopper.
This is a very dusty job so wear eye protection, a dust mask and perhaps hearing protection. Wet leaves will clog the hopper but can be cleared easily. As the strings wear down, so does the mulching capability. The strings are easy to replace.
- Compact Design
- Easy Clean-up
- Great Shredder
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- Shredding Leaves
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Love it, and even bought one for my parents. I can't stop shredding! It works well with leaves only; no green plants or sticks.
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I got one of these last year. I haul it out 2-3 times a year when leaves accumulate. It shreds them down into mulch like a champ.
It works on the principle of an upside-down weed whacker with a hopper on top for receiving the leaves. Easy-peasy. It does a sensational job on dry leaves. Less well on wet leaves. Can't take more than the smallest, driest twigs. Anything larger keeps the leaves from feeding down into the trug and breaks off the nylon trimmers.
Jams are pretty rare unless we're talking wet leaves or a lot of sticks. When they do happen they're easy to clear out.
There are a couple things worth noting:
• The replacement nylon trimmers from Worx are very difficult to find which is a bummer as they need frequent replacement. OTOH, installing new ones is pretty easy and found that slightly larger gauge ones from the hardware/garden store held up better. I suggest cutting them at an acute angle to get them to feed into the mechanism.
• Leaves come out with a furious gust. Wouldn't work with the trug pictured but I put one trug upside-down and a second one upside-right on top of it so that the opening is up at the bottom of the motor.
• The quality and appearance of the resulting mulch is excellent.
- Easy Clean-up
- Even Consistency in Mulch
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- Leaves & Yard Debris
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It works to reduce the big sycamore leaves into finer particles for my compost pile. These leaves usually take forever to compost, but this leaf shredder helps to create a better compost. Little sticks and too many damp leaves will cause build-up to occur around the edges of its cone.
- Compact Design
- Easy Clean-up
- Even Consistency in Mulch
- No Blades To Sharpen
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I shredded about 10 bags of oak leaves as soon as I got it. It reduces leaf volume as stated, with a consistent size mulch as long as the nylon filaments are in shape--filaments shortened and shredded by twigs produce less consistent size mulch. I replaced the nylon filments twice. The small twigs that inevitably come with raked leaves went through the mulcher without jamming it, but they do cause the nylon filaments to shred and shorten--the more twigs, the more often you need to replace the filaments. Nevertheless, nylon filament replacement is very easy, there are many included with the mulcher. Do follow the directions and use a dust mask when using this. Finally, I really like how compactly it stores in my garage.
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- Extremely Dustygritty
- Hard To Move
- Hard To Store
- Incredibly Noisy
- Slow
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This machine was a headache to use. It is large and heavy, difficult to move and store, and painfully noisy.
You will need eye protection, hearing protection, long gloves, and a dust mask.
This is basically a string trimmer in a megaphone, and was very slow to use. It takes only leaves, a small handful at a time. We were careful. My husband, who has always been a big user of big noisy machines, hated it. Neither one of us wants to try it a second time.
Right now, it dominates the patio (it's just under four feet high), and we don't know what to do with it.
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- Format: DVD
- Studio: Universal Studios
- DVD Release Date: October 4, 2011
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