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I am not a fan of this trend, I tend to like conservative democrats and liberal republicans, who could work together to get things done, occasionally freezing out the wing-nuts of one side or the other. But if America as a whole looks like a normal curve around 50-50, the parties look like two smaller curves at 20 and 80, meaning that they represent their constituents less accurately, and there is less overlap for compromise and governance.
David Kaiser, PhD
Executive Coach
There are three remarks that I would like to make.
First: gerrymandering undermines the credibility of the United States as a democratic system in a very serious way. I can not think of any other longstanding parliamentary democracy in which districts are drawn as arbitrarily. During the Cold War, anticommunists in Western countries could look to the United States, as a champion for democracy, although not perfect (but no democratic system is), but now I, for one, have changed my mind. Moreover, if such practices are allowed so blatantly in the United States, that sets a bad example even for a country such as mine, given that on many occasions, on television and on other media, we are told that we should "do as in the US".
Second: I wonder how a congressman such as Mr Barrow can be described as a "moderate". If I were a US citizen I would be a Democrat, and I would see very little difference between a congressman such as Mr Barrow and a mainstream Republican. If I were given a choice between Mr Barrow and his Republican opponent, in the absence of a more leftist alternative I could vote for Mr Barrow only holding my nose.
Third: the blame for partisanship can not be equally divided between Democrats and Republicans. One of the reasons why Obama has delivered so little, compared to what he promised, was his excessive willingness to yield to Republicans and the fact that, within his party, there is a fifth column of congresspeople whose stances on the issues that were defining for the Obama administration were much closer to those of the Republican Party than to those of the Democratic Party. That, in turn, was one of the factors in forcing Obama to seek compromise with the Republican Party again and again. Republicans, understanding that, extorted one concession after another, with the result that, for example, health care reform was so watered down that it was practically devoid of any meaning (but the Republicans were dissatisfied nonetheless).
First of all, the USA is not unique in gerrymandering. The UK does not even require exactly equal population in all its constituency districts, and they are gerrymandered to benefit the party in power.
The only practical alternatives to gerrymandering are EU-style proportional representation and multi-member districts. In my view, proportional representation is much worse, and multi-member districts are no solution either.
So in what way are the Democrats becoming more doctrinaire and ideological? In many of these Senate races the Democrats are winning because the Republicans are pushing their fellow, though not quite pure enough, conservatives at the Dems. A. la. Indiana.
We may be seeing the final days of the American era. This is certainly a time for reflection.
We may... but I wouldn't bet on it.
While these are serious problems, and they frustrate me daily as well, we also need to keep our eye on the fact that despite the partisanship, things are still pretty good here. Despite the rhetoric and frustration, both sides still cooperate pretty well on most things. (We still shop in the same stores, root for the same teams, we may shout but we rarely get violent).
And for all the flaws of the two party system, it also encourages a natural flow back toward the middle. (Moderates tend to have to choose one party or the other instead of abandoning them).
Mitt Romney winning the Republican nomination is a testament of this dynamic. He was by far the most moderate of all the Republicans in the race. If this extremism was as bad as we think, how could he have gotten the nomination.
Most of us think Romney got the nomination because the other well-funded GOP candidates were either idiots (see "Rick Perry") or bat shit crazy (see "Herman Cain.") Romney is moderate only in the sense that he has no serious core beliefs. If advocating the return of slavery would win him the election, he'd be all over it.
I agree with your optimism. Groups like No Labels are working on changing the culture of the institution.
However, I disagree with the idea that moderates/pragmatics/centrists end up picking a party. Unfortunately the numbers are not really bearing this out. 40% of the electorate is no longer registered with either of the major parties. Granted some of these people are in third parties, some are just not interested, but some like me genuinely are interested but are repulsed by the two major parties. It is unfortunate but right now the system is designed in such a way to flow power and influence into the hands of a very very narrow group of people in the two parties. These people control everything and exact enormous party discipline on their members to point where staffers are no allowed to have a picture taken of them talking to someone from another party.
I think the only plausible non-drastic systemic change which could alleviate the gerry-manderin effect of the current congressional redistricting system is to take the redistricting rights out of the hands of partisans.
Perhaps this could be done by some non-partisan commission. However, most people are partisan, and the commission could be unduly influenced by one side or the other. Perhpas the redistricting could be done by a computer program, with set (non-partisan) criteria - both sides would be forced to accept the computer generated results.
This would be the best system, and one or two places have it. Unfortunately, we cannot randomly assign candidates to districts the way parliamentary systems sometimes do, which might incentivize fair districting. Gerrymandering, though, defeats the local rule basis of the present system by instead messing up the locality.
Every state that has adopted "non-partisan" commissions has ended up with a map gerrymandered to favor Democrats. Complete Democrat dominance in the academic, Media, and legal realms gives them an advantage in anything that is supposedly "non-partisan". The Democrats will always have a majority of the commission. If you actually want compromise and less partisan district drawing, the only way to do it is to require 2/3 majorities for district drawing.
Do you have any proof of this? Sounds like a talking point made up by a right leaning think tank to get more Republican friendly gerrymandering. A talking point with no basis in fact. Here in Texas it is done by judges (when it happens, as it did this year because the Republicans intentionally disenfranchised latinos), who are elected and mostly Republican.
This phenomenon is more pronounced in the House of Representatives, where gerrymandering districts makes a difference. It is less of a problem in the Senate, where the vote is statewide. The House has always been a hotbed of inflamatory language and positions, by its very nature. The Senate is supposed to be the "cooling saucer" in which the hot liquid from the House is moderated. A lot of the partisan sensitivities of the Representatives can be addressed via strong party leadership -- even if the tea partiers are demanding doctrinal purity, a local Congressman can be put in a good position by party leaders by giving that Congressman "perks" for his home district in exchange for party votes. This wheeling and dealing is a long standing part of the sausage-making that is legislating. Strong party leaders have been doing this for decades, but the last two Presidencies (Bush and Obama) were SO polarizing for the opposite party that party-head cooperation has been virtually non-existant. Clinton and Reagan were able to make lots of deals, and it seems perplexing to me that Obama seems incapable of this kind of nitty-gritty politicking.
It seems to me the issue between Obama and the GOP is that the GOP has made a commitment to not give him anything and to protest everything he has done.
The GOP is holding congress hostage because their guy didn't win the POTUS. And to think they'll only govern if they have a GOP POTUS is a disgrace to our flag.
I don't see how one can blame Obama for the Republican polarization against him. As late as last year 80% of Republicans polled didn't even believe he was an American citizen.
Clinton and Reagan were polarizing as well, but they were able to make deals with the other side. Even Bush 43, with all his flaws, was able to make deals some of the time. Obama is not able to make deals with the GOP, and I attribute this to Obama's commitment to fundamentally change the USA. He wants to change the USA in deep fundamental ways that would have the practical effect of abolishing the Republican Party permanently, and the Republicans know it.
Your attribution is incorrect. The reason he can't work with Congress is that the Republicans have decided that gridlock will help them regain the presidency, damn the cost to our nation.
I would like to see gerrymandering somehow reduced, minimized or eliminated. Right now for many districts the real election is the primary and the one who wins that is the most extreme candidate. Going on to the general election is really just a formality since the district is so highly skewed towards one party or another. Make the district competitive and the parties would be forced to select more moderate candidates who would have a chance in a general election.
How TE does go on about "GOP extremism." Someone needs to remind these guys that, in 2008, TE endorsed the most liberal Democrat in the US Senate -- the "excluded middle" then being John McCain, a moderate who had crossed the aisle many times (immigration, election laws, defense), Obama not ever. Ignoring any concern about extremism, TE editors endorsed Obama because he "inspired" them, yet TE now is offended by those less "inspired," those who push back. Witness the treatment of the unfortunate Georgian in this article: a "paunchy...farmer with hooded eyes and a thick drawl [have they missed Obama speaking Negro to certain crowds?]." Clearly this poor fellow is somehow subhuman, not an Oxbridge type at all. Worse, he probably doesn't use a teleprompter....
Spoken like a GOP extremist.
This is a big part of the problem. Extremists like you continue to fail to recognize they are extremists. So extreme that anyone in the middle appears far left to you.
(And before you accuse me of partisanship: yes, there are people who do it on the left too. )
I was leaning toward voting for McCain because of his greater experience and moderate [for a Republican] positions. Until, of course, he picked a right-wing, TEA Party ignoramus as his VP candidate.
Your obviously biased comments, which they share in abundance, are why I regard TEA Party, Televangelist, Taliban-like FOX/GOP/TEA/Murdochist candidates as pure poison.
Gee, MacJ. All I wanted was relatively free markets, unencumbered by massive health care mandates, a still unfolding Dodd-Frank, prosecutorial guvmint entities such as the SEC, DOJ, FTC, state AGs, the Fed, and now, thanks to an alleged president with no experience in or sympathy for the free enterprise system, a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (I guess it's the CFPB). All of a sudden I'm an extremist -- but one who actually has little interest in things that seem to bother you greatly: religion and guvmint, TGBGwhatsit, solar/wind/bio and the other causes that drive you "moderates." You folks have spent so much time on the left that you've forgotten the system that allows you to afford The Economist....
The US doesn't have "free markets" because corporations and banks have been allowed to escape from reasonable regulation. Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of letting the foxes guard the hen houses [but anti-government GOP more so].
My problem with the GOP is that it is a complete package. The good policies are tied up with a lot of extremely bad policies. The Democrats are somewhat corrupt, and are too likely to spend too much, but they spend too much on different things than those the GOP spends too much on [like credit card wars, cutting taxes for those who can actually afford to pay them, unnecessary weapons systems, corporate welfare, etc.]
As far as mistreating a poor Georgian GOP politician is concerned, do you know what the Rovian GOP did to a disabled Democratic candidate in Georgia, Max Cleland?
I am strongly opposed to the radical polarization that has been plaguing American politics in the last few years. However, I view this moderate purge as a good thing, and I am hoping for one of the following outcomes:
The power vacuum created by the lack of a middle ground may well provide a path for a viable third (even fourth and fifth) party. This would force the old guard back to the negotiating table, and some real progress might happen. Even if neither of the current parties were willing to work with their old nemesis, they would be forced to wheel and deal with the new comers.
An alternate outcome, which may be better for the long run, is an implosion of the current system. Paralyzed by an unwillingness to be reasonable, our government could go for years without accomplishing a single thing. Such a high level of inaction might just be the catalyst that forces us to rethink the way we let our government operate.
As if we didn't have enough problems already, I'd like to see change but via an implosion might be a little more exciting than most people would care for.
Perhaps Jefferson was right after all, the tree of liberty might need to be watered by the blood of patriots from time to time. I hope the blood is all metaphoric and provided mostly by the Taliban-like right-wingers.
More third party fantasy dreaming. A system that requires a district or state to be won by an actual majority precludes third parties from being viable. Third parties are only viable in systems that have proportional representation from party lists, as in the EU. And only a fool would want to emulate the EU.
I'm not convinced that moderates have been purged by partisan primaries as much as they were washed away in the Democratic and Republican landslides of 2006 and 2010. Nor am I convinced that this is entirely a bad thing. Compromise and civility are not the same as moderation. It's hardly a compromise for a Democratic supporter of the NRA to vote for looser gun laws.
Citizens United plays an outsize role in the continued repression of moderates (and moderate and civil discourse).
There are many William Clarks the world over, and many more people following them.
Did not having Super PACs prevent the financial industry from exempting derivatives from regulation and dismantling New Deal financial protections in the mid-1990s?
Any action against special interests must extend BEYOND Citizens United.
Moderates have been driven out, but what we're seeing in the rise of Independents (of which I'm proud to be one) is the making explicit of moderates' role in pressure toward the center. If neither side can count on party loyalty from us, they're going to cater to us. We ruin political profit margins from decreasing brands. More Independents counteracts attempts to increase political control, such as gerrymandering.
Party membership is a much better deal for party leaders than for the rank and file, and it's incompatible with genuine intellectual independence. I know people who say it's not. I agree the effect is subtle, but it's real, and long-term, unavoidable.
I highly doubt that. Professor Daron Shaw believes that close to 75% of independents leaning a certain ideology are likely to vote with the party line anyway.
Independents have nothing to do with gerrymandering. Under the current winner-take-all system, whoever wins the State elections at the start of the decade gets to draw the lines. It's a shame that there isn't an independent group that draws the lines: so-called "nonpartisan" commissions today has members appointed by the ruling party.
If the influence of independents is as strong as you proclaim, then why do you think the Republican Party hasn't given a shit? The answer is that independents either CANNOT or will not participate in primaries, which typically attract the most energized and extremist segments of the population. Then, because voter turnout in general is minimal but is even worse during midterms, many politicans rely on getting their most energized voters to the polls and getting enough independents; if they took more moderate positions, they wouldn't be able to attract the former group. Moreover, because most districts are "safe seats" (thanks to gerrymandering), the election doesn't make much of a difference anyway. As long as independents aren't allowed in most parties and voter turnout remains low, this trend will continue.
I wasn't suggesting Independents engage in gerrymandering. I was suggesting we confound the calculations of those who do.
The Republican party has cared; they nominated their most moderate candidates in both '08 and this year. Who have, naturally, acted more conservative than they are, but if Romney wins I bet he'll disappoint his base as much as Obama has disappointed his.
You're acting as though Independents' main influence is clearly in primaries. It's not; it's in their unreliability in voting and in framing the terms of debate.
As a political organizer I'll tell you that you have it wrong. Almost all independents lean to one party that they vote with when they don't have a very strong opinion about an individual candidate. And as a political organizer, we spend time identifying and motivating the people that agree with us and not persuading. Why, because voter turnout in the US is so low that true independents just don't vote.
Mitt Romney's candidacy is a result of many of the most qualified Republicans, people like Jeb Bush and Haley Barber not wanting to waste their one shot at the presidency against an incumbent President. The same reason the Democrats nominated John Kerry in 2004 and not Hillary Clinton.
If the result of taxing something is you get less of it, then taxing political parties, the wellspring of partisanship, should be both popular and moneymaking. 0% on the purple, 50% on the red and blue.
There are three observations I'd like to make.
First, moderates are usually the first to get kicked out in congressional elections. They are often wrestling seats that are traditionally strongholds for the other party (or at least lean that way), forcing them to adopt a more moderate approach. Meanwhile, "safe" seats often hold more ideologically firm candidates. Extremism pays off, literally.
Second, moderate Democrats aren't exactly liberal at all. If placed on the political spectrum, the most conservative Democrats are probably center-right at heart. This troublesome group places the Democrats in the worst of both worlds: they were instrumental in watering down or outright rejecting much of the reform agenda in 2008-2010, and yet the painful internal compromise the Democrats go through doesn't qualify as bipartisanship, even though it most definitely counts as pragmatic compromise. Had these same people been affiliated as Republicans or even a third party, the Democrats would still be seen as pretty damn good at bipartisanship.
Third, the moderate Republicans have been systematically purged for the past 4 or so decades. These endangered and increasingly rare group of politicians were usually either beaten by the opposition party or ousted by far-right primary challengers funded by big money. The remaining few are forced to adopt stances that match the rest of the party; as a result, they aren't actually so moderate in practice. From 2008-2010, the only Republican senators who dared compromise were Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Arlen Specter (who was so scared of Republican primary challengers that he defected to the Democrats). And Olympia Snowe was so viciously attacked after voting for the ACA that she has decided to retire (thankfully, centrist Angus King is a worthy successor). The dramatic rightward shift of former moderate John McCain has been particularly remarkable. Scott Brown, who advertised himself as a moderate to win the special election, voted with the party line FAR too often to qualify as a "moderate."
Because moderates dog the Democratic party and are practically extinct in the Republican party, we see two major vacuums ideologically. The progressive left often sees its agenda frustrated by moderate Democrats, while the center-right lack a voice in politics period. This is where the epic failure of the two-party system in providing adequate political discourse really shows. As long as one party is incredibly fragmented and inefficient and the second is full of crazy assholes, expect to see little done by the U.S. Congress, whose approval at 11% is lower than even King Louis XV and King George III during the time of the French and American Revolutions.
Apparently a "crazy asshole" is any Republican who doesn't toe the Democratic Party line or back O'Care. I'd be interested in just what Disillusioned might support -- she views herself as a "moderate," but I suspect a European Social Democrat is lurking there under all those many, many self-serving words.
I'm a female? That's very presumptuous.
The ACA was actually very close to the framework backed by the Heritage Foundation in the mid-1990s; under your definition, it would qualify as a "crazy asshole" (don't forget that the Koch Brothers were one of its founders and a principal funder!) Meanwhile, the economic stimulus plan was dominant in tax cuts (which I don't see Republicans opposing) and debt relief to the States (a good idea). Meanwhile, the Republicans completely opposed any form of financial regulation; the dismantling of New Deal financial regulations got us in this deep mess in the first place!
I never said I was a moderate. I do, however, believe in a second Square Deal, where special interests are kicked out of public policy so that governments act in the public interest rather than the interests of Grover Norquist, Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove, et. al.
Campaign finance reform (a robust system of publicly funded elections) is my single most important issue and one that is conveniently ignored by BOTH parties (The Democrats want Super PACs to go, but that didn't stop the financial industry from exempting derivatives from regulation...) That's precisely why I preferred Buddy Roemer over the President DESPITE his relatively conservative platform. That is why I will be casting my ballot for Jill Stein rather than tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum.
You're conveniently selective in what you cite. Nothing here about the impact of O'Care, Dodd-Frank or the consumer protection regime being put in place by this administration. Nothing here about Barney Frank's (one of your "moderates"?) successful efforts to reduce lending standards so "his folks" could "participate in the American dream of home ownership"? Election reform? You missed your chance when this country voted for obama, not McCain. Folks who take issue with O'Care, Dodd-Frank, lowered lending standards, or excessive consumer protection are "crazy assholes" in your book. (Why did I assume you are a female? No gentleman would be so crude.)
You've been even more conveniently selective in what you cite.
The ACA is actually TOO light on small business (it exempts small businesses with fewer than 50 employees), creating gaps in coverage. Meanwhile, it HELPS businesses overall because it chips away at the explosive long-term growth in health care costs more than the status quo. On top of that, it saves the federal government a dozen billion dollars or so every year.
As I mentioned in my previous post, Dodd-Frank is DEEPLY flawed. However, I firmly believe that it is better than NO financial regulation at all. You did not specify a feasible alternative.
However, I will. The most fundamental way to end Too Big to Fail is to cap the size of financial firms. In their book "13 Bankers," James Kwak and Simon Johnson provide the following guidelines: a cap on 4% of GDP for commercial banks, and 2% of GDP for investment banks (because their leverage triggers greater contagion). This allows banks to go bust without any worries and addresses an ENORMOUS market failure: currently, big banks, which are perceived as "safer" than their smaller counterparts, collectively receive a $34 billion subsidy every year through discounts in interests, suggesting a market that is FAR from fair. Moreover, big banks, realizing that politicians will step in to save them, WILL maximize risk because they CAN'T lose.
Who said McCain supported the level of campaign finance reform anywhere CLOSE to the level I want? McCain-Feingold was absolutely TOOTHLESS.
Guess why there was bipartisan support for subprime mortgages? One, the financial industry lobbied incessantly to open up a toxic market. Two, special interests were responsible for blocking reforms that would have helped out private unions; as a result, they were unable to raise wages for EVERYONE in the industry and provide a strong voice for the middle class. As a result, income inequality skyrocketed, and concerned politicians sought to decrease CONSUMPTION inequality at a time when household debt already reached 100% of income in 2000.
Consumer protection is important. I don't want banks to give me a contract the length of The Great American Novel and riddled with fine-print shit that would screw me over. Elizabeth Warren, a strong candidate, was shot down for her appointment. What more could you want?
Females are crude? What, are your views about gender stuck in the medieval age?
I go back to my original observation: the sum total of your "reforms" makes you sound like a European Social Democrat -- too much guvmint, too little free enterprise.
Cap the size of financial firms? Then one assumes you do not expect them to compete in global markets, with Asian giants, say? It would not be too many years before we would be wringing our hands about the non-competitiveness of too-small American investment banks. Let them grow, let them fail if they're foolish, and stop once and for all the moral hazard of guvmint guaranteed bailouts.
McCain-Feingold "toothless"? Compared to what?...the obama plan? Far too toothy for me: if I choose to throw my cash away on an election, who are you to tell me I should not? That is how I exercise my free speech.
o tried his best to sneak Chief Warren into consumer protection. To be sure, she would be a fitting symbol of the "Granny State" o is trying to implement. I suggest a bit less "protection" from guvmint bureaucrats, a little more personal responsibility, and far fewer laws to encourage far fewer lawsuits and make the USA more competitive.
In all you set up a worthy model economy -- for France. I have no doubt it is on the way here: losses by Hoover, Goldwater and, I suspect, Romney will have changed his nation into what you wish, a nation of dependents hanging on the teat of a massive guvmint spending trillions trying to make a world without risk (or so they will claim as they devour our tax dollars). That is o's world, your world, a world of eventual poverty and disillusion. May I hope you are an old person so you don't have to live to see happen what you wish to happen.
I can't speak for women, modern or medieval. Gentlemen aren't crude in public fora -- it makes them sound... desperate.
Your sense of left and right, like many Americans, is WAY too far to the right (this means that in your view, the center-left is socialist, the center-right is a RINO, and a Republican is the right kind of conservative).
The ACA is fundamentally a center-right reform. It also happens to be the MOST conservative health care reform any politician in the rest of the developed world would ever DARE to mention.
To end Too Big to Fail by letting them fail is wishful thinking. Because of TARP, an assumption that the government will bail them out has become a guarantee. No sane politician will let a big bank go bust: when TARP was rejected the first time, the stock market completely TANKED. Letting a big bank fail would trigger the second Great Depression. Because banks will assume that politicians will bail them out, they will continue to maximize risk.
Even if Too Big to Fail ends that way, the lack of financial regulation in the first 150 or so years of our history is telling. Harvard Business School professor David Moss explains: "For most of the nation's history, [financial crises] represented a regular and often debilitating feature of American life. Until the Great Depression, major crises struck about every 15 to 20 years-in 1792, 1797, 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893, 1907, and 1929-33."
Because even The Economist admits that recovering from financial crises takes years, you're essentially advocating a HUGE bust every two decades INDEFINITELY into the future. Not very smart policy if you ask me.
McCain-Feingold is VERY toothless when compared to proposals such as the Fair Elections Now Act and Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig's proposal for a $50 voting voucher for every voting age American. These would force politicians VOLUNTARILY participating in the system to accept a $100 cap on other donations and NO Super PACs.
The concept of money as free speech is laughable. First, is it justified to allow deranged millionaires a MEGAPHONE to drown out the speech of the 99.9%? Second, does political equality still exist when the rich and businesses get to use buckets of money to tilt the election one way or the other?
Third, there is A LOT of evidence suggesting that Congress's addiction to money to get reelected creates DEPENDENCE corruption. Lessig states that most Congressmen spend 30-70 percent of their time raising money; that's time taken away from governing, reading bills, or helping out constitutents.
Moreover, does anyone think that the Republicans will still adopt 6 degrees of crazy as their platform if Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove, Sheldon Adelson, et. al were to lose their influence overnight? Is there really no connection between the $205 million spent by the financial industry on lobbying in 2010 and the incredibly watered down Dodd-Frank, which smothered small banks but inevitably created loopholes for large ones? Was it just a coincidence that private insurers happened to oppose the public option and it was dropped despite VERY strong support by Americans in BOTH parties?
Ah, "self-regulation." Because that worked so well in the financial sector. Because the private sector will automatically account for negative externalties such as pollution and carbon emissions. Heck, let's repeal the Clean Air and Water Act! Good luck not getting cancer.
The worthy model economy I am shooting for is Sweden. It features robust economic growth, a dynamic private sector, low income inequality, VERY high social mobility, a fine public education system, an effective social safety net, LOW health care costs, and EFFICIENT governance and regulation.
So a "nation of dependents" didn't occur under W. Bush and wouldn't occur under Romney, but did MAGICALLY occur under the President? More people qualified for welfare because so many people are out of work and the economy is in a doldrums thanks to BUSH and BLATANT REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM. Outside of unemployment insurance, the President has not ALTERED the eligibility for welfare in any way, shape, or form, and Mittens has not made any mention about CHANGING the eligibility for welfare, outside of his 47% video.
Despicable. Please read The Economist, get enlightened, and shut up until you actually KNOW something.
"The worthy model economy I am shooting for is Sweden." There you have it -- smoked out! I'm pleased to say I called it from the get-go. That and your last full paragraph say it all (and glad to see you've cleaned up your language -- it's risen to a mere "shut up," anyway).
The Swedish model works well, I suppose, in a nation with a homogeneous population -- I always love it when we see documentary comparisons of our schools and those of the Scandinavians, when they film their classrooms just full of blonde, blue-eyed kids whose parents understand and support the importance of schooling. A nation whose population hangs on the guvmint teat, cradle to grave -- not exactly the "American way." Then there's a friend of mine who left Stockholm for the USA to begin a start-up, wanting to escape confiscatory taxation there. To live there sounds to me like putting ones self in a nursing home at age 25 -- a world you'd enjoy, Dis. My guess is you're on the redistribution end, not the wealth production end -- am I right there, too? Give me the free market, warts and all -- and don't worry: I'll help support you.
You do realize that you've failed to actually respond in a substantive way to any of the numerous points he made, right? This would mean that you lost the argument. Only pointing this out because you seem not to appreciate that fact yourself.
Your post exemplifies the group "Disillusioned" references. The Taliban wing of the GOP wants to restrict the rights of Women and Gays [or GLBT Americans], put religion into government [violating separation of church and state and amendments I and XIV], keep power by gerrymandering and vote suppression, and put money and corporations ahead of the welfare of the nation.
Your use of "European Social Democrat" as a compound slur is also indicative of the ignorant, anti-intellectual and pure "dumb-ass" orientation of the anti-science, anti-education party that nominates people like Akin, Bachman, Palin and Perry.
I disagree with "Disillusioned" that the whole party is ignorant. Those who control the party, from Murdoch to the rich industrialists, are not ignorant, just intelligent but evil.
The way to end Too Big To Fail would have been to let them fail. Complete liquidation. However, neither Bush nor Obama dared to do this.
This article encapsulates why I am long term bearish on America. If Obama wins, the right will spend the next four years hoping the country sinks into an economic abyss and certainly not doing anything to try to help the situation. If Romney wins, I doubt the left will do anything different. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." This is certainly the case given the way the US federal government is set up. If we are going to have these types of blood feuds every two or four years, we should at least have the decency to move to a unicameral parliamentary system.
I agree, if Obama wins, the GOP Congress will remain obstructionist.
I disagree, however, that if Romney wins, Democratic Congressmen will be equally obstructionist. To the extent Moderate, Rational Mitt presents himself to Congress, I think the Democrats will be willing to work with him on most issues.
To be sure - this is Romney's best selling point: "Hey, if you vote for Obama, I promise you my buddies in Congress will continue to stone-wall. If you vote for me, I'll be able to pass policies by negotiating with the more level-headed, responsible Democrats".
I don't know how well that talking point would go over if Mitt actually verbalized it in his stump speaches, but it is, to be sure, one of the few good reasons to support ole Two-Face.
Ramesh Ponnuru even said as much in an editorial a few weeks ago.
It is never a good idea to give in to extortion, even, or especially, when the extortionists kidnap the congress.
Mittens is not out to fundamentally change America. The Democrats could work with him on some issues, but only a solidly Republican Congress would repeal ObamaCare outright.
We're all focused on the wrong branch right now.
Most of the country's problems are rooted in the classic agency dilemma created by the way campaigns are run. Its time to think of political donations in the same vein as management compensation. The majority of politicians are going to act in their best interest and that obviously is going to involve whatever insures funding for future campaigns.
Reset incentives through campaign finance reform and maybe we can get Congress to start worrying about the entire electorate equally again.
I agree about the problem, but not with the solution. Instead, short-term, vote for third parties whenever possible, and long-term, pass the Congressional Apportionment Amendment. The larger Congress is, the more money has to be spread around to influence it and the less they get for their money. There's only a finite amount of air time, after all.
I highly recommend reading Winner-Take-All Politics (Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson) and Republic, Lost (Lawrence Lessig).
I always knew special interests were bad, but I did not realize that they RAPED the public interest for 3 full decades until I read those two books.
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The Pobblebonk (or Banjo) Frog, Limnodynastes dumerilii, gets its name from its distinctive "bonk" call. It is a fairly large species, growing to about 85 mm in length. It can be readily identified by the presence of a prominent tibial gland on each hind leg and a metatarsal tubercle on each hind foot. Three subspecies, L. dumerilii dumerilii, L. dumerilii insularis and L. dumerilii variegatus occur within the greater Melbourne area. These can be separated by their distribution and colour patterns. L. dumerilii insularis has a prominent pale vertebral stripe, which is absent in L. dumerilii dumerilii, and L. dumerilii variegatus is a uniform dark colour. The warty appearance of this frog sometimes causes people to mistake it for Cane Toad.
Pobblebonk or Banjo FrogPhotographer: Peter Robertson / Source: Wildlife Profiles Pty. Ltd.
L. dumerilii dumerilii is widespread over the western and northern areas around Melbourne, L. dumerilii insularis is found in the south-eastern areas, and L. dumerilii variegatus is restricted to the Otway Ranges. The frog is found in a variety of habitats. During periods of inactivity, this species burrows into the ground.
The diet consists of small invertebrates. The loud 'bonk' call is often heard in the suburbs. Females lay a large white floating raft of eggs in still permanent water such as dams and ponds. Tadpoles grow to a maximum length of 68 mm and take up to 15 months to complete development.
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Hi Grace,
The major problems with moving frogs are a) putting them into a habitat that doesn't suit them, b) moving them into another frog's territory, and c) transferring chytrid, a fatal fungal disease. None of these should apply in this case so we can't see any problem in moving them out of your way.
Hi Mary, the fish are more likely to eat the mosquitoes than the tadpoles, which are generally confined to consuming algae. The fish are unlikely to eat the tadpoles but they probably will eat the frogs' eggs. Given that the Pobblebonks (Limnodynastes dumerilii) have found your pond on their own, the best option is to leave them to it rather than spreading them around to other dams, which the frogs themselves may consider unsuitable. Or if the dams are suitable, the frogs will find them on their own.
Pobblebonks are adapted to shallow ephemeral ponds and should be fine as long as there is some water. There are minimum and maximum periods for tadpole development, but these are influenced more by temperature than the amount of water. If the water dries up completely the tadpoles will die so in this circumstance you should feel free to add more water, but otherwise they should do well on their own.
Hello Kate - whilst no permit is currently required to keep Pobblebonks according to DEPI, in order to keep them they do need to have been originally sourced from captive-bred stock. If the tadpoles and frogs weren't sourced from a licenced breeder and dealer and were instead taken from the wild, then the best (and most legal) option would be to release them to a suitable habitat in the wild.
If they were sourced from a licenced dealer of captive-bred native animals, then this dealer is probably best placed to advise you on their husbandry.
Hi Phil, Pobblebonks are known as being really slow developers as tadpoles. Some individuals will mature really quickly but others take as long as you are finding in your pond. We keep them here at the Museum and the time it takes for one spawn to all metamorphose can be well over a year. They can be quite robust individuals before their hind legs finally appear. Best of luck.
It's not a good idea (and not legal) to move the frogs to another location. The Pobblebonks have made their own way to your yard and obviously consider it a reasonably good habitat.
Hey Michelle,
White oil is a suffocant rather than a toxin - that is, it suffocates the insects by blocking their spiracles, rather than poisoning them. It is therefore one of the least harmful insecticides and one of the more environmentally friendly. White oil was traditionally made from vegetable oil but modern versions are made from petroleum.
Frogs are very sensitive to insecticides, particularly in the tadpole stage. White oil is not considered biodegradable, and the product's material safety data sheet (MSDS) recommends not using it near waterways, mainly because toxological studies have not been done on aquatic animals.
If you're keen to use white oil, perhaps you could make your own version from vegetable oil - there are a number of simple recipes available on the internet.
The main threat to the tadpoles is the golfish. If the goldfish remain in the pond, you could expect the tadpole numbers to decrease over time.
In captivity they can be feed a range of food such as egg yolk, vegetables, non-citrus fruits and baby food, but the most successful food is boiled lettuce.
Hi Lina, the Department of Environment and Primary Industry states that it is not permissible to keep a wild-caught specimen as a pet, as dictated by the Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988 and the Wildlife Act 1975.
Hi Faye - we checked with our Live Exhibits folk, and they've responded as follows:
Frog ponds have become very popular in recent years and consequently there is a vast amount of information available on the internet. Three good sites are listed below, but there are many more once you start searching.
Pobblebonks (Limnodynastes dumerilii) will burrow into the soil around the pond more so than using the pond itself.
Good resources can be found here, here and here.
Hi Lesley - we checked with our Curator of Herpetology, who has responded as follows:
The Spotted March frog has two call races ..... the northern call race (central/eastern Victoria) has been described as sounding a bit like a machine gun with a series of distinct clicks, while the southern call race sounds like two stones being clicked together. I'm not sure where the change between the two occurs but it could be around Seymour – perhaps the enquirer has both races of Spotted Marsh Frogs in their area. An example of both calls can be heard here
Hi Serge, if you have frogs already coming to your garden, it suggests you may not need a pond. Banjo Frogs and Common Froglets (the two species you most likely have) will live in moist ground or under logs or rocks, or around and under plant pots. A pond will help keep them and possibly attract other species, but for these two it's not completely necessary.
The type of pond liner will depend on your budget and how long you want it to last. Black plastic liners will do the job, but plastic and fibreglass custom-made ponds will last longer, and concrete or similar material will last a very long time. You can make a usable pond by inserting a plastic tub into the ground, as long as it's childproof. Unlike other animal groups, frogs don't seem to mind what the pond is made from. The other important aspect is to put logs and rocks around the pond to give the frogs somewhere to hide that is moist and well sheltered.
Hi Bruce, the residue in the wine barrel should not be a problem for the frogs. Any active compounds will have evaporated long ago and others will be diluted by the water. It would be safest to rinse it once or twice before use. Make sure that if you use other material to waterproof or re-waterproof the barrel, you'll need to give it an opportunity to off-gas and shoud rinse it well once again.
Fifty centimetres may be a bit high for some frogs, particularly the smaller ground-dwelling species, but if the habitat is desirable they will find a way in, particularly if foliage is draped over the sides. Frogs are accustomed to water being at or below ground level, but many will climb short distances and some common species, such as Peron's Tree Frogs, are regularly found high on tree trunks. If you need the barrel to remain intact for aesthetic purposes, the frogs will adapt if they find the habitat appealing enough.
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Hi Will, the Department of Sustainability and Environment doesn't recommend relocating animals for a number of reasons (http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/plants-and-animals/native-plants-and-animals/problem-wildlife), and in some cases it is illegal to do so. The only way to keep them out would be to build a fence around the pond or to drain the pond. If your concern is the noise they make but you still want a pond, you could drain the current one, fill it in, and construct another pond further away from the house.
Having said that, many people build ponds in their backyard specifically to attract frogs, and many wait long periods before they are finally blessed with their presence.
Hi Glenn,
We forwarded your question to the Museum's Live Exhibits team and they provided the following information:
Banjo Frogs will eat Marsh Frogs unless they are well fed themselves. But if you keep the food up to the Banjos, this shouldn't be a problem. Coco peat is best for burrowing species such as Banjo Frogs, but fine gravel will work just as well and is easier to clean. Soil is not particularly good as the acidity is wrong and soil tends to turn 'sour' over time with constant watering and accumulation of wastes. Frogs tend to stop eating when they are full so you are unlikely to overfeed them, but they are easily underfed. An adult frog will take 8-12 medium-sized crickets per week, and they are best fed three times a week or so. That is 2-4 crickets per feed, and this should only take a minute or two.
Hi Lorna, the incubation period for Banjo Frog eggs can be as little as four days, but they can remain as tadpoles for up to 15 months. Both time periods depend greatly on the ambient temperature at the time.
As for keeping the frogs you don't need a licence to keep pobblebonks for private purposes, provided they have come from a lawful source. It is not legal to take them from the wild. If they came from the wild then ideally release them back where they came from. We feed our pobblebonks three times a week and one of those feeds we dig them up and make sure they eat. Otherwise, we dust the crickets etc in vitamins and leave them on the surface overnight.
Hi Kathryn,
We forwarded your questions to Museum Victoria's animal keepers, who responded with the following:
Pobblebonks are common in certain situations throughout their range – the subspecies you have in Rutherglen is the Eastern Banjo Frog (Limnodynastes dumerilii dumerilii). These situations include gardens, where the soil is often moist and a range of plant species attract a range of invertebrate species. So your garden is more attractive to frogs than a paddock across the road, and if you relocate the frog it will most likely return at the first opportunity. Females lay their eggs in ponds and dams, but do not make a nest as such. Pobblebonks will bury themselves underground during periods of inactivity, or even just during the day. Once uncovered, they will rebury themselves as soon as possible.
Snakes can be attracted to frogs, but generally only if frogs are present in large numbers. They are usually more attracted to water bodies, for the water itself rather than the frogs. There will probably be snakes in the area anyway, and a few Pobblebonks will not make your garden any more or less attractive.
Hi Wendi,Pobblebonk spawn can be gently picked up by cupping both hands underneath and lifting it up. Alternatively you can use a small net to do the same. Transfer it to a bucket or container and then gently tip it into the new pond. Pobblebonk eggs are generally safe to leave in with White Clouds as the tadpoles will quickly grow too big for them to eat. Even if they do eat some they are unlikely to eat them all.
Hi Ross. Good question! We contacted our Live Exhibits department and they provided us with the following information:
The fish in the pond is the most likely reason that no tadpoles are surviving. Pobblebonk tadpoles are generally really hardy and will survive in just about anything so we believe they are being eaten.
Ideally in an outside pond you need varying water depths. Shallow areas where the tadpoles have access to good sunlight and higher temperatures, as well as deeper sections to get away from threats and to retreat to if it is excessively warm. Water depth should be 45 – 60 cm with some shallower areas.
The frogs in the foam box will have to be fed on frozen lettuce, bok choy or spinach leaves and will take quite a lot of work. We would suggest that if you really want to encourage frogs to breed in the pond then removing the fish or swapping to some frog-friendlier types would be the best solution. Species such as Murray River Rainbows or White Clouds are a good choice.
Any froglets that emerge must be left to disperse naturally. It is illegal to translocate frogs as you may be spreading things such as chytrid fungus. It can also affect the genetic integrity of frog populations.
Hi Kim, there are several possible reasons your frogs are not making noise.
Firstly, they may be juveniles or may all be females. In this case they either won't be calling yet or won't be calling at all. Secondly, the conditions may not be right for calling, particularly if the substrate is too dry or the wrong type.
It might be difficult to determine the exact cause of the issue but you could try the following things. Use cocopeat as a substrate if you're not doing so already, or swap the substrate for fresh substrate, whatever you're using. Add more moisture to the enclosure, at least temporarily, to encourage them to think it's raining. Add live food or a variety of crickets/cockroaches/flies to stimulate activity.
Good luck with your frogs and we hope this helps.
Hi Emma - the Pobblebonk isn't deadly (except to the small invertebrates that form its diet), however we certainly don't reccommend licking it! You can find out more about this interesting species from the following links:
To hear the frog call, the "bonk", and another unusual photo, see: http://museumvictoria.com.au/bioinformatics/frog/images/dumelive3.htm
Try also: http://frogs.org.au/frogs/species/Limnodynastes/dumerili/
Hope this helps!
Hi Maddie, I don't think you need to be worried about having 3,900 frogs all calling from your backyard. The number of tadpoles that actually make it through to becoming frogs is very tiny – many will die before maturing. Within your pond ecosystem the tadpoles feed on the algae and plant matter and are quite low on the food chain. This means they can exist in quite large numbers before competing for food. Frogs on the other hand are predators and need other animals in which to feed upon. Other animals such as bugs tend to be harder to come by than algae so they cannot exist in such large numbers.
I think you will be lucky to have a big population of frogs calling from your yard – with pobblebonks it often tends to only be a few individuals calling from a single pond each season.
Hi Laura,
Great questions about your frogs. The first question about how goldfish affect frogs and eggs is – yes they do enjoy eating eggs and tadpoles so you need to be careful when you introduce these fish into a pond system. If you wanted to be good to the frogs you could try some local fish such as Southern Pygmy Perch that are not interested in feeding on the young tadpoles and they are local to the Melbourne region. The second question about them jumping into your pond – chlorine does not go all that well with frogs but if you can get them out quickly enough they may be fine. If they are pobblebonk frogs, or other frogs with claws rather than pads on their fingers that will really struggle to climb out of a pond – adding a ramp for them to climb onto and out of the water is a great solution to help. If they do however have pads on the end of their toes they are tree frogs and should be able to use these pads to climb up the wall – although a ramp to escape would also help. Best of luck
Hi Diane tadpoles have some great survival strategies to help them live in adverse conditions – even in a laundry tub. You should find that some of them will grow quite quickly and all four legs will pop out and they will metamorphose into frogs at a rapid rate – other tadpoles may stay as tadpoles for more than 12 months. This is a strategy to divide the emergence of the young between two years to increase the chance of some surviving to reproduce. If they are burrowing frogs, such as Pobblebonks they may find it hard to climb out of a laundry tub – the best thing you can do is provide a platform and branch for them to climb out of the water and onto land when they become frogs. As to what they eat – tadpoles will feed on algae and other things they can scrape of the plants and walls of the pond. Here at the museum we freeze pieces of lettuce that we then add to the tadpoles enclosures so they can feed. Here are links to the Live Exhibits blog that shows photos of Pobblebonk egg masses (which sit above the water) and Pobblebonk tadpoles just before they leave the water to become frogs.
Great weather for frogs!
Pobbles Grow Up
Hi Chris, if you have Pobblebonk tadpoles / frogs it is good to remove your frogs as they metamorphose and transfer them to an enclosure that they can burrow underground and rest. Your frog has a very different diet to the tadpoles – they eat insects and any other small animals they can fit into their mouths. I would recommend that you either collect some invertebrates from your school grounds – such as crickets, cockroaches, grasshoppers etc or you can purchase crickets from lots of pet shops. Newly emerged frogs tend to have quite small stomachs so small meals (i.e. 1 – 2 food items) every one to two days.
Hi Darren, it is important to remember that keeping wildlife is illegal and they should be returned to the wild. Saying that – to keep them happy and healthy I can give you a few pointers.
Hi Emerald, thanks for your enquiry. The Live Exhibits team recommend placing the frog back in the garden bed not far from where you found it. Dig a small hole and let it burrow down.
Hi there. We would expect that a Pobblebonk may live up to 10 years. Some species of Australian frogs have been known to live to 20. Despite what our human emotions cause us to think, a lone Pobblebonk would not be sad. Pobblebonks are not social animals, and don't relish the company of other frogs - so being alone should not affect its lifespan. The calling is to attract females (which do not call), so he may be having silent success without anyone knowing. (If a frothy egg-mass appears in the water, he is definitely having success). A second call would be that of a rival male. We can't speak for that particular Pobblebonk, but if I was calling for a mate, the less competition the better!
Hi there, Yianni. For your information, The Department of Sustainability and the Environment states that it is not permissible to keep a wild-caught specimen as a pet, as dictated by the Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988 and the Wildlife Act 1975. Ideally, you should leave tadpoles where you find them, as translocation of individual animals can disrupt local gene pools, and contribute to the spread of disease.
Furthermore, instances of albinoism in frogs are extremely rare, even in controlled environments, as described in scholarly journals TRSSA and the Journal of Heredity. Hope this helps!
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IMO it wouldn't be redundant.
I'm tempted to blind buy the current formulation (in dark green bottle) of Tsar. I'm a fan of Quorum, Azzaro PH, Rive Gauche, Z14, and others of this ilk. Would Tsar be redundant given my collection?
IMO it wouldn't be redundant.
I've seen 2 different formulations but I don't know the difference between vintage and current formulation, can anyone mention them?
The current formulation of Tsar is excellent.
Make sure you get the version above in the leafy patterned box. It's a green, fresh and long lasting fragrance - projects pretty well and smells good for 8hrs+. Opens with strong lavender and herbs but dries down woodsy and mossy.
It should fit in well with the other fragrances in your collection but is quite different from the ones listed.
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The one to avoid looks like this:
It's not terrible but is weaker than the current one and why buy it when the better ones are so easily available?
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vintage "de"
second formulation
for the recent formulation, see Derbyman´s pic.
Thanks easyfish! I couldn't find a decent picture of the original / vintage! I believe this is considered as the original and best version but the current is very close. The old bottles look very similar to current but are soild coloured, not opaque. (Same with Van Cleef and Arpels Pour Homme)
First time I ever saw the second formulation bottle. Use to own the Dark Green bottle. Longevity is crazy!
unfortunately, THIS is the real Tsar:
(Find the box with "two squares, one partially inside the other").
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Save your money. Cheap watered down garbage. Buy something decent.
Well, two things:
- the vintage and the "green leaves" version got the two squares.
- your pics (smaller sizes, one splash and the ad photo (100 ml spray) show the original juice!
Plus, as far as I know, the green leaves version is the recent one and the second reformulation.
Yes, this is 100% correct imo!
The green leaves box is the second reformulation, current juice and most similar to vintage, not the first reformulation Andre; see also Derby's and easyfish correct posts. The ribbed glass bottle which is to be avoided is the first reformulation.
The vintage splash and spray smell the same. (I own all versions: vintage splash and spray and green leaf bottle, except the ribbed glass version)
My Top '10' : (In no particular order)
- Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vintage)
- Annick Goutal: Ambre Fetiche
- Loewe: Esencia/Pour Homme/Solo
- Davidoff: Leather Blend Edp
- Revillon R
- MPG: Santal Noble
- Acqua di Parma: Colonia Intensa Oud
- Histoires de Parfums: 1740 Marquis de Sade
- Pal Zileri: Cuoio
- YSL: Kouros (Fraicheur)
Green Leaves box is the 2nd (current) reformulation: sort of a repair job on the disaster that ws the ribbed-bottle edition.
ointments and perfume delight the heart....
Oh yeah...I smelled this recently. I liked it.
Nice fragrance with good longevity and projection
Current top choices:
1- Portrait of A Lady
2- 34 st Germaine Boulevard by Diptyque
3- Bleecker Street by Bond 9
4- Acqua Di Parma Oud
5- Clive Christian #1
6- Coromandel by Chanel
7- Acqua Di Parmal Colonia Intensa
8- Guerlain Derby
9- MFK lumiere Noir
10- Dans Tes Bras
Good cheapie powerhouse. Not for below 25 youngsters
Claus The Danish Viking
Now with 418 unique bottles in my collection
Thanks for asking 'cause I was about to ask about it.
I'll share my story on this one.
Back in 1991-1992, my girlfriend gave me a bottle of Tsar for my 26th. birthday, according to her I was wearing only "old man fragrances" (Z-14 and Fahrenheit). As soon as I sprayed it, I thought "What the...?!" this is really feels even more mature! of-course I didn't say anything, lol.
Now fast forward, I saw it at Marshalls, the one with the leafy box. the price was a steal and I'm thinking well I'm 45 now so maybe it'll work now. But no, still doesn't. Somehow I remember it more green-isch or fresh-ier, maybe more mossy!? So I started using it as an air freshener in my bathroom.
So the other day my daughter comes home from school she goes into my room and says to me "Dad I don't like what your wearing, you smell like a "Dad's cologne" lol, I wasn't wearing anything, it was just my new air freshener taking over the whole apartment. I totally agree with her.
Now, don't get me wrong is not bad and yes if you have those you mention I think you'll like it. It is strong and for the price, get it, it won't be a great loss if you don't like it.
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Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
Yes, I apologize, I made confusion with pictures. Very sorry for confusing ideas.
The vintage perfume I was considering -the first version, launched in 1989- is the one with the two squares both on box AND bottle.
My Top '10' : (In no particular order)
- Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vintage)
- Annick Goutal: Ambre Fetiche
- Loewe: Esencia/Pour Homme/Solo
- Davidoff: Leather Blend Edp
- Revillon R
- MPG: Santal Noble
- Acqua di Parma: Colonia Intensa Oud
- Histoires de Parfums: 1740 Marquis de Sade
- Pal Zileri: Cuoio
- YSL: Kouros (Fraicheur)
You seem to be in the great minority. When was the last time you tried it?
BTW I have looked high and low in and around Portland, OR, for a sample - no one has this one in stock. I haven't seen it at my local Ross, TJ Maxx, Marshalls either. Does Perfumania still carry this?
i think i might have seen tsar at tj maxx recently..i will keep an eye out
14 sprays of DRAKKAR NOIR should do it
^ Let me know if you see it around PDX or Clackamas.
Curiously, I'm a big fan of the one in this bottle. I have two bottles of it, and it lasts longer with strength on me than the 30ml dark bottle I bought 12 years ago. I do recollect, however, that quite a few people here were like you and were unhappy with the content of this clear bottled one when it came out.
I tried once the first reformulation and thought it a so so, to me something like jazz. But there are many many guys telling the recent one had a improvement back to vintage roots. By the way, i will be buyng the leafy Van Cleef and Arpels PH to see what i get. Overall i was happy that some house did the way back, instead of watering down again and again.
^ Did you make your purchase of this yet voidvader?
If someone wants it, I'll sell or swap my bottle.
Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
Hi Renato - I'm sure I read somewhere on here that there might have been some better versions of the 'ribbed bottle' around. I'm sure someone else reported that theirs was much better than they expected or had read. I'll see if I can find the thread.
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I think this is the thread I was thinking of...
scentimus's original post is very relevant to the discussion here and it was our pine-loving friend odysseusm who liked the 'ribbed' bottle version.
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IMO the vintage and de last reformulation are very good.
...No!...it's still bad...!
Can anyone here give me an idea of what Tsar smells like? Is it close to any of the other fragrances I mentioned in my opening post?
It's nothing close to Quorum, Azzaro PH, Rive Gauche or Halston Z14. It's very dry, green, fresh smelling. There's no sweetness in Tsar. It bears a resemblance to YSL Jazz / Paco Rabanne Pour Homme / Pasha de Cartier - sharing facets of all 3. Some say it smells like RL Polo Green, however, it's not as deep and smoky in my book. Like the topend of RL Polo maybe...?
It gives me the same vibe (and also a little on smell) as Drakkar Noir and Francesco Smalto pour homme.
My Top '10' : (In no particular order)
- Dolce & Gabbana: Pour Homme (vintage)
- Annick Goutal: Ambre Fetiche
- Loewe: Esencia/Pour Homme/Solo
- Davidoff: Leather Blend Edp
- Revillon R
- MPG: Santal Noble
- Acqua di Parma: Colonia Intensa Oud
- Histoires de Parfums: 1740 Marquis de Sade
- Pal Zileri: Cuoio
- YSL: Kouros (Fraicheur)
Apart from a decrease in projection and longevity of the newer versions, didn't notice much of a change, the notes are pretty much the same.
Yes I remember that thread by Scentimus lamenting the change in Tsar. I have two of the ribbed bottles, one I picked up ages ago and the other was a tester I picked up last year for $7 (I can't walk past a bargain bin). Both smell pretty much the same to me.
I also have a bottle of Eau de Tsar - which is pretty good for summer.
I went to the Perfume House off Hawthorne Blvd. in Portland, OR, today. All they had for Tsar was the second (lighter green bottle) formulation version. I tried some on my skin - seems pretty feint smelling to me. Definitely not the powerhouse I was expecting. It's pleasant enough but I tend to like stronger scents like Polo Green and Azzaro.
Thank you boys for this informative discussion. I had the original Tsarwhich was striking and sophisticated, while very masculine, and then bought the stuff in the clear, green bottle which was hateful. I'm very glad to see another, better version is available. I'm going to buy some right now.
Thanks again.
I have compared vintage and current the latest formulation side by side on my skin - just like in the case of many other fragrances, also in Tsar's case the vintage is superior. (Vintage is more mossy, thicker, richer, more concentrated) . But the difference is not a big one! Anyway, Especially the rich oakmossy feel of the vintage formulation is important to me and that's why i prefer wearing it.
"Le parfum est la musique du corps"
(Marcel Rochas)


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The Library is offering a trial of the newly released Psyctests, a research database that provides access to complete psychological tests, measures, scales, and other assessments as well as descriptive and administrative information for each instrument. The trial will end on March 1. Please let us know what you think by adding comments here or email Nancy Egan at firstname.lastname@example.com.
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Please join library faculty members Marta Bladek and Kathleen Collins as they discuss several online tools to help with completing the publications portion of the Faculty Report and Self Evaluation (Form C). They will demonstrate using Scopus, Ebsco, MLA and APA resources, Google Scholar and others to find relevant journal and author citation information.
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In support of Open Access Week* (October 24-30) colleagues in CUNY created a Halloween themed quiz about journal pricing. The Open Access "Pretty Scary" Quiz is ready, don't be scared to take it, or share it!
* Open Access Week is a global, annual event that promotes open access in scientific publishing and research. http://www.openaccessweek.org/
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To Wikipedia or Not to Wikipedia…Is That Really The Question?
Thursday, October 20th
1:45p – 2:45p
Location: CAT, 333T
Led by Professors Marta Bladek and Kathleen Collins
Lloyd Sealy Library
Wikipedia. We've all found ourselves on Wikipedia at some point. In fact, Project Information Literacy researchers report that 85% of students use Wikipedia as a resource. Yet, some instructors dissuade their students from using the site as a resource. Others are telling their students to use it as a jump off point for their research papers. Use it but don't cite it. Do either one of these positions benefit students? What alternatives to this popular site does the Lloyd Sealy Library offer? Come to this workshop to explore the pros and cons of Wikipedia and to participate in activities and that enhance the teaching and learning experiences through Wikipedia.
Posted Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 12:12pm
Banned Books Week begins Saturday, September 24. Banned Books Week is the only national celebration of the freedom to read. It was launched in 1982 in response to a sudden surge in the number of challenges to books in schools, bookstores and libraries. More than 11,000 books have been challenged since 1982. Believe it or not, among the ten most challenged books in 2010 were Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley and Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America, by Barbara Ehrenreich. Celebrate the freedom to read by reading a banned book this week; you'll have plenty of great books to choose from!
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Variable WS1 : Main source of drinking water
Format: numeric Width: 2 Decimal(s): 0 Range: 11-96 Invalid: 98, 99 |
Valid case(s): 20349
Invalid: 28 Minimum: 11 Maximum: 96 |
File: bh
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Variables merged from Household File. for full variable documentation refer to HH.sav.
Value | Category |
11 | Piped into dwelling |
12 | Piped into yard or plot |
13 | Public tap/standpipe |
21 | Tubewell/borehole |
31 | Protected well |
32 | Unprotected well |
41 | Protected spring |
42 | Unprotected spring |
52 | Roof top |
53 | Berkad |
54 | Balli |
61 | Tanker-truck |
71 | Cart with small tank/drum |
81 | Surface water |
91 | Bottled water |
96 | Other |
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Literal question
What is the main source of drinking water for members of your household?
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The purpose of the first two questions of this module is to assess the type of household water used for drinking as well as for other purposes, such as cooking and washing hands. Definitions of the various sources of water are as follows (codes refer to those used in WS1 and WS2): · '11' - Piped into dwelling, also called a house connection, is defined as water service connected by pipe with in-house plumbing to one or more taps, for example, in the kitchen and/or bathroom. · '12' - Piped water to yard/plot, also called a yard connection, is defined as a piped water connection to a tap placed in the yard or plot outside the house. · '13' - A public tap or standpipe is a water point from which the public may collect their water. A standpipe may also be known as a public fountain or public tap. Public standpipes can have one or more taps and are typically made of brickwork, masonry or concrete. · '21' - A tube-well or borehole is a deep hole that has been driven, bored or drilled with the purpose of reaching groundwater supplies. Boreholes/tube-wells are constructed with casing, or pipes, which prevent the small-diameter hole from caving in and provide protection from infiltration of run-off water. Water is delivered from a tube-well or borehole through a pump that may be powered by humans, animals, wind, electricity, diesel fuel or solar energy. · '31' - A protected dug well is a dug well that is protected from run-off water through a well lining or casing that is raised above ground level and a platform that diverts spilled water away from the well. Additionally, a protected dug well is covered so that bird droppings and animals cannot fall down the hole. · '32' - An unprotected dug well is a dug well for which one or both of the following are true: (1) the well is not protected from run-off water; (2) the well is not protected from bird droppings and animals. If at least one of these conditions is true, the well is unprotected. · '41' - A protected spring is a spring that is free from run-off and from bird droppings and animals. A spring is typically protected by a 'spring box' that is constructed of brick, masonry or concrete and is built around the spring so that water flows directly out of the box into a pipe without being exposed to outside pollution. · '42' - An unprotected spring is a spring that is subject to run-off or bird droppings or animals. Unprotected springs typically do not have a 'spring box' (described above). · '52' - Rainwater collection refers to rain that is collected or harvested from surfaces by roof and stored in a container, tank or cistern until used. · '53' Berkad · '54' Rain water catchment (Balli) · '61' - A tanker-truck water source transports and sells water by means of a tanker truck. · '71' - Cart with small tank/drum is used by a water provider who transports water into a community and then sells the water. Types of transports may include donkey cart, motorized vehicle or other means. · '81' - Surface water is water located above ground and includes rivers, dams, lakes, ponds, streams, canals and irrigation channels from which water is taken directly. · '91' - Bottled water is purchased water sold in bottles. Note that the code refers only to bottled water that is commercially available. Sometimes household members may store water from other sources in bottles - this should not be coded as bottled water.


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I've searched the amd/ati website for where you can report bugs and have not found where i can report an issue. If your interested its:
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The Suunto Vector Wristop Computer combines a variety of Altimeter, Barometer and Compass functions with an advanced timepiece for the demanding outdoor enthusiast. Use these features to find your location, monitor performance and progress, predict weather changes and much more.
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