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Today Nikon announced the long-awaited D800 with a 36 MPix full-frame sensor. This new high-end DSLR has many promising aspects.
First of all, it should be said that there is a huge difference in the sensor compared to its predecessor, the Nikon D700 (with "only" 12 MPix). Almost 4 years later, the Nikon D800 leapfrogs the D700 but also all other DSLRs on the market with an impressive 36 MPix full-frame sensor.
This gives a pixel pitch of 4.8 µm, among the smallest for full-frame DSLRs such as the Nikon D7000, the Pentax K5, and the Sony A580. If the D800's sensor uses the same kinds of technology as these models, it should achieve some interesting DxOMark scores.
The D700 was known for its brilliant low-light performances with a DxOMark low-light score of 2303. One of the key comparison criteria for the D800 will be its noise level at high ISO.
Resolution | 12.20 MPix | 36.15 MPix | 16.16 MPix |
Sensor size (mm) | 24.0 x 36.0 | 24.0 x 36.0 | 23.9 x 36.0 |
Pixel pitch (µm) | 8.4 | 4.8 | 7.3 |
Frame rate (fps) | 5 to 8 | 4 to 6 | up to 11 |
ISO latitude | 50 - 25 600 | 50 - 25 600 | 50 - 204 800 |
One last thing about the D700 sensor: It was one of the last Nikon cameras with a dynamic range that hit a ceiling at low ISO, but we expect a much better performance from the D800 since it launched after Nikon fixed this limitation in the D700.
In term of lenses, the D800 is the first full-frame with such a high resolution, so it will definitely push lenses to their limits as the lens scores of the D7000 tend to prove. It will be interesting to see how the Nikon lenses cope with this.
With the D800, Nikon also announced the D800E. This E version comes without an anti-aliasing filter for photographers who want to take full advantage of the 36 MPix resolution, and who can deal with the potential moiré that the demosaicing creates.
We had the chance to attend Nikon's press launch and will give you more details about our first hands-on impressions tomorrow. (Unfortunately, we were not able to obtain either a D800 or a D800E to take back to our labs, so we will have to wait a bit longer to provide full DxOMark test results.)
To provide photographers with a broader perspective about mobiles, lenses and cameras, here are links to articles, reviews, and analyses of photographic equipment produced by DxOMark, renown websites, magazines or blogs.
Added by rich1808 |
March 07, 2014
D800 as Super DX?
may have posted this in the wrong place... Just discovered DXO- WOW, whata great service you guys provide us camera geeks!
My thoughts, correct me if i'm wrong; The D800 in-camera crop leaves the remaining 16 mp at the same density as the 36 mp right? Doesn't this actually make the camera also a High Density DX camera? More to the point is that I've found my 17-55 f2.8 DX lens including the 18-300 Nikon f3.5 has AMAZING sharpness that you can see from the back of the camera. You're jaw will drop when you zoom in! What do you say to a review of at least the Nikkor DX lens on the D800? The 2.8 Nikkor DX lens should be sharp anyway so, just to see if I'm Looney or not, test just one, the 18-300 and see what you see. So far as I've seen, almost every lens scores higher on the D800 as oppose to other Nikon cameras. So, What do you say DXO? Up for even more work??? Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
Added by seemara |
March 13, 2014
Re: D800 as Super DX?
Unfortunately, no. 36 MP is the total number of pixels in a full sensor exposure on a D800. If you crop, whether in post or in-camera via DX mode, you're deleting pixels. The pixel density of the D800 is actually slightly less than the D7000 (even in FX mode), and significantly less than the 24 MP DX D7100, but this doesn't really speak to IQ. Pixel density is nothing more than number of pixels divided by physical size of the sensor. If it were possible to measure IQ based on number of pixels or pixel density, then the D800 would be 2 to 3 times better than the D4, which it clearly is not!
But back to the point, the main difference in cropping a full frame exposure (assuming you used an FX lens) is that you can choose exactly how much to crop whereas in DX mode you're maxed out at 16 MP, which gives you an image that is a close equivalent, as it's been reported by many, to that of a D7000 in both size and various measures of image quality (and also very similar pixel densities). I have a D7100 and love it and also a D800. I seem to be in rarefied air when I say I'm thrilled with the DX mode (and 1.2 crop mode). 16 MP is PLENTY! And if you get the MB-D12 grip and put in either the D4 battery or AA's you can get 6 FPS in cropped modes. You can also try the bracketing trick from here http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51004727 to get 6 FPS without a grip! The difference between 4 and 6-7 FPS is huge and makes up for some of the ground this camera gives up to the D4. It doesn't turn it into a D4, of course, but it makes the D800 even more versatile than most people give it credit for, especially if you use the right glass. And this is the right place to find out what that glass should be! Reply |
Added by cwms |
February 01, 2013
I'm curious why DxOMark lists the D800 as "semi-pro" and the 5D Mark III as "Professional", they even called the 5d Canon's "Flagship" in their review(?) Am I mistaken, or are these two cameras in the same class?
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Added by Emilie_DxOMark |
February 11, 2013
Re: Hmmmm
No you're right! These 2 cams are in the same class. Between professional and semi pro… They do not replace the 1Ds Mark III and D3x so their marketing segment are slightly ambiguous... Kind regards, Emilie Reply |
Added by Max Dof |
January 17, 2013
Best camera sensor ever, but no lenses tested after almost a year?
Dxo rates the D800/D800E higher than any other camera sensor. You would think they would be interested to see how well various lenses perform with it. It's now been almost a year since the camera's been released and, to date, they have tested only one lens with it; and the lens they chose to test? A cheap Tamron.
Please, let's see some tests with the kinds of lenses a Nikon D800 user is likely to own. Maybe even a Nikon lens... Start with a few decent primes, like the 16mm, 24mm, 60mm, 85mm f/1.4 105mm and/or 200mm. Then a few of the decent zooms, like the 12-24mm, 14-24mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, and/or 200-400mm. Any D800 owner will have one or more of those lenses in their kits. It would be nice to know how my new D800E stacks up against the camera I upgraded from. Just knowing how the sensor alone compares isn't all that useful, since I rarely shoot without a lens on my camera. What do you say? By the way, for those interested in whether the D800E produces moire in the real world: I've shot over 4,000 photos on the D800E, including lot of shots with textiles and architecture, and so far, there's been zero moire. Reply |
Added by vigorotaku |
November 20, 2012
D4 vs D800
My main Reasons for the D4:
1)Speed of focus - I can't use my 85 f/1.4 or 24 f/1.4 on my D3 or on a D800 and have it focus fast enough to get in focus shots of toddlers or other erratically moving things. 2)Ethernet port ethernet tethering- I use a Netgear WNCE2001 and Mophie Powerstation Gen 2 which works quite well. D4 Wireless Tethering Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
Added by My Self |
November 22, 2012
Re: D4 vs D800Quote:
This a comment for this page on the website
My main Reasons for the D4: 1)Speed of focus - I can't use my 85 f/1.4 or 24 f/1.4 on my D3 or on a D800 and have it focus fast enough to get in focus shots of toddlers or other erratically moving things. 2)Ethernet port ethernet tethering- I use a Netgear WNCE2001 and Mophie Powerstation Gen 2 which works quite well. D4 Wireless Tethering Please tell me you're a pro who works for Parents magazine or some such. We now need a D4 to take snapshots of toddlers? First world problems. LOL Reply |
Added by fishnose |
November 22, 2012
Re: D4 vs D800Quote: Please tell me you're a pro who works for Parents magazine or some such. We now need a D4 to take snapshots of toddlers? First world problems. LOL He MUST be joking, I can't imagine any other explanation.... Reply |
Added by Rogerio Medeiros |
November 06, 2012
D800 vs D600
I am considering one of these cameras. I have read many reviews but none has given a definitive answer to image enlargement. I intend to print the files at 40X60 to 40X80, with interpolation, of course. It seems, from what I read, that a minimal camera shake, even from the mirror movement might not reveal the extra resolution of the sensor. Besides the array of lenses suited to work with the D800 in order to bring out all of its qualities seems to be rather limited and expensive. Ultimately will the 30% increase in pixel count make such a big difference for the print sizes I'm aiming at?
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Added by fishnose |
November 06, 2012
Re: D800 vs D600
The D800 is an exceptional camera in all situations. I use it for everything, including fast action, as well as for live evening performances without flash at iso 6400. Hand held in all situations. No shake troubles at all. And the images look great.
As long as you have reasonably disciplined technique, it's not any more 'difficult' to use than other cameras. That said, the D600's 24MP is a LOT. Just think - the highest resoluton DSLR in the world was 24MP until just a year ago (D3x) - so the D600 will do a fantastic job. And it has a far better sensor than the D3x, it's much faster, has better iso etc.... Reply |
Added by pepegidwa |
October 16, 2012
Where are the lens tests? !!!
Where are the lens tests?
Where are the lens tests? Where are the lens tests? Reply |
Added by My Self |
September 20, 2012
Where are the lens tests?
In the article you said:
"Even though the D800's sensor results are exceptional, we are looking forward to measuring the best Nikon lenses on it" Where are the tests? Reply |
Added by electronicbazaar |
August 18, 2012
Nikon D800
The D800/D800E render levels of texture, nuance and detail to your photography that, until now, have been the exclusive domain of the complicated medium-format system. Define every eyelash, every line in tree bark, and every shimmer of light. Savor the exceptional depth in your still images — with the combination of an astounding 36.3 effective megapixel, the world's highest*, and the outstanding performance of NIKKOR lenses, you can. Enlarge them as big as A1 poster-sized prints (59.4 x 84.1 cm/23.4 x 33.1 in.) at 200 dpi, or crop aggressively to reach the composition you desire, all without sacrificing the detail and tonal range of the original. In order to maintain clean, high-resolution images, 14-bit A/D conversion within the sensor and a high signal-to-noise ratio deliver phenomenal images in a diverse array of situations. The image sensor's incredible potential does not stop with photography, either. For cinematographers ready to put their exceptionally sharp NIKKOR lenses into action, the D800/D800E's 36.3 effective megapixel data is efficiently processed for exquisite 1080p broadcast quality video at 30p.
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Added by koleh77 |
May 07, 2012
thanks for test
I`ll soon buy this new king !
I hope this is great camera ! Thank You a lot for test !!! ------------------------------- http://photo-wed.blogspot.com/ Reply |
Added by wmac |
April 02, 2012
What is the point of D4 then?
Now that the sensor does not have any considerable advantage?
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Added by SLRist |
April 13, 2012
Re: What is the point of D4 then?
How about the fact that it shoots 10fps?
Horses for courses. Sport and news do not need 36MP. They want speed and ultra low-light shooting. Reply |
Added by fishnose |
April 19, 2012
Re: What is the point of D4 then?Quote: Better battery life? Hardly. You can use the D4 battery in the D800 if you have the grip and the right grip cover. Reply |
Added by eireann |
March 29, 2012
D800 price
Here in Singapore they offer the D800 for S$4488 which is 20% above the price in the USA, 2999US$ and lower than the hefty price Europeans have to pay....2900Euro
I think the camera should be sold everywhere at the same price. I am now thinking of asking an American friend to buy the camera for me there and bring it over. Maybe I even go for the D800E which is cheaper in the US than here the D800. @impurenrg...I think you got things confused here. The D800 sensor was rated higher than the D700 sensor. Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
Added by PapaRomeo |
April 12, 2012
Re: D800 price
Well the US price is with no sales tax. The Europe price is with VAT. Vat ranges from 17% - 25% in different EU countries. Crazy! But the VAT 0% price is about 2200 euros in Finland for instance. How does that compare to your price?
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Added by SLRist |
April 13, 2012
Re: D800 price
Beware - as Nikon camera body warranties are generally very restrictive, and if you buy one from elsewhere, you will not find a local dealer who is prepared to service it.
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Added by xrunningman1 |
March 27, 2012
D800 Sensor tests vs D700, Canons, and others
Look, it gets pretty ridiculous when people start arguing over what are miniscule issues and not real-world photographer's issues. I, for one, have seen fastastic 20x30" images done with a D3 and I personally can attest to the fantastic image quality of the D7000. Sure I, too, want a D800, but the bottom line is that the quality of the image is in the hands of the photographer whether the sensor is 10mp or 36mp. The greats of photography's past just went out and took their images. They didn't worry about lens comparisons. Anyway, I'm not saying anything new. I'd rather lug a D800 on my neck with a couple of lenses than a much heavier medium format camera with is 5-figure price tag. In my humble opinion, no camera is worth spending 5 figures on. Get a Leica M3, a Mamiya 7, or a 4x5 and you'll do fine for a lot less if the talent is there.
Notwithstanding this, it is great news that Nikon has finally produced a "35mm" size camera that can take its huge range of lenses and which is comparable to medium format quality. Bravo Nikon! Now, please get me my ordered camera!!! :) Reply |
Added by supergab |
March 24, 2012
D800's crop modes available for RAW files or only JPG?
Following to my first question, I've got another simple question where I see different answers on forums. When using the D800 in DX crop mode, we only MP, not IQ, but can we shoot RAW or the crop modes only apply to JPEG files?
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Added by fishnose |
March 24, 2012
Re: D800's crop modes available for RAW files or only JPG?
Crop modes will have corresponding RAW files. So both jpg and RAW will be cropped according to chosen crop factor - called 'Image Area'.
However, if M or S size is chosen in any mode (FF or crop), the jpg only will be made M or S, the raw file will always be L. This is called 'Image Size'. Image Size is achieved by taking the full capture at chosen crop factor and downsizing it if M or S is chosen to create the jpeg. The RAW will however remain L, full capture size. Reply |
Added by PHOTOwebb Designs |
March 24, 2012
really though...
does it really matter who makes the sensor or the shell or how fast it goes or how many megapixels it has? no. buy a camera, point it at something, and make a great image. there have been times where i got better images out of my D40 than my D90 with half the megapixel count.
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Added by nugeny |
March 24, 2012
If D800 gets 95 score, D800e should get much higher score in landscapes, a whopping 105?
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Added by photosynth |
March 31, 2012
Re: D800e?
No, the DXO score doesn't measure resolution
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Added by MikeWhis |
April 18, 2012
Re: D800e?
They do test resolution, but not in sensor score.
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Added by Ofeqve |
March 24, 2012
While D800 is the undisputed resolution king, somehow the DR results don't sit well with me. Smaller pixels with better DR then larger pixels ? This would be the first time it happens and would bring a niggling question into sharp focus: if Nikon has this fantastic technology enabling a high density, small pixel sized sensor to beat everything else on the planet, why not use the same technology in a lower density, larger sized pixel sensor in their flagship camera? The next D4s perhaps?
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Added by SiliconVoid |
August 15, 2012
Re: Umm...
You are absolutely correct in your apprehension to believe the results.
The smaller pixels (photosites) do not provide better performance than larger pixels, and that is where the results have to be understood. The score DxO gave for the D800/D800e is not based on what the sensor does, it is based on what you can achieve when downsampling the image to ~25% of its original size. DxO evaluates performance on an 8mp image, therefore just about any camera above 8mp will show better results than an 8mp camera, and certainly better than its predecessor. In the scoring system you also have to understand that DxO awards the score based on the highest achievable performance score - even if the camera only performs to that level at one ISO setting and performs worse at every other setting - see a comparison of D3x and D3s where the D3s excels above the D3x in every criteria except at ISO 100, which is where the D3x achieved its score. If you were to fairly compare the maximum quality output of cameras against any other you would either do that at the sensor level or at the same downsample ratio. How about a comparison of the D800 downsampled to 8mp, against the D3s downsampled to 3mp - that would be a fair comparison of output given that there are certainly just as many quarter page magazine prints (3mp) as there are 8x12 paper prints (8mp) being used in the industry.. In order to see the real performance you have to select the little toggle in the upper left of the measurement page labeled [Screen] where you will then see what the performance is at the sensor level. You may be asking why this is important, I mean some would be saying 'the camera I want just got the highest score ever, that is good enough for me' but as is to be expected a considerable percentage of buyers (those without real photography experience or knowledge of composition, lens selection, exposure, aperture, etc) will be looking to crop into all those megapixels hoping to get the image they should have captured correctly to begin with - and that is where the performance is the worst, at the pixel level, or the closer you get to the pixel level. If you compare the performance of the D800 against any Nikon above, say the D80 or so, you will see that its performance at full resolution is no better than most of Nikon's lower megapixel models - and actually begins trailing behind most of them once you get past ~200 ISO. The relevance of the score has more to do with your intended/needed output. For studio work the D800 should be great as most of those images are headed toward magazine and smaller prints (where the downsample will provide benefit, either digitally or in print) however the other group Nikon has marketed the D800 towards, Landscape photography, will not see the performance they have paid for as their output is typically larger prints needing higher megapixels to yield the extra detail - the area where the D800 performs no better than most of Nikon's bodies other than megapixels. As for walk-around/general photography, like you do with a D700, the D800 is not for that group. Not that it cannot take general subject photographs, but how many of you in that group are looking to incorporate professional level post processing, lenses, and additional overhead all that comes with just to yield the results you are already getting from whatever you already use? Remember too not to be mislead by marketing, you do not need high megapixels to upscale an image.. Upscaling an image allows more pixels to draw the same detail present, which means any additional refining of the detail needed can literally be added in the process, this should always provide a benefit no matter what camera or megapixels you have (up to a percentage of the original of course). If you are losing detail when upscaling your print you need to look at a different software package, and of course make sure you have done everything you can to capture the detail to begin with. Reply |
Added by Gandalfsson |
March 24, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...Added by Weyskipper | February 18 Re: Questionable bias... Your 5D MKII sounds like the all time perfect camera. I would suggest you don't bother with any other camera ;) Agree, and we all know, that this camera has a fantastic AF - also the "side-AF" Reply |
Added by supergab |
March 24, 2012
D800's DX crop mode
Simple question. When using the D800 in DX crop mode, do we lose IQ or only MP?
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Added by hectorjr |
March 24, 2012
Re: D800's DX crop mode
You only lose MP. You can also choose between S, M or L sizes on ANY of the 4 crop modes the D800 offers (FX, DX, 1.2X or 5:4 crop mode).
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Added by supergab |
March 24, 2012
Re: D800's DX crop mode
OK thanks... Can I shoot RAW with the crop modes or only JPG ?
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Added by supergab |
March 24, 2012
Re: D800's DX crop mode
Got the answer: http://forum.dxomark.com/index.php/topic,706.msg1197/topicseen.html#msg1197
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Added by Mescalamba |
March 23, 2012
Hm hm..
I admit it looks impressive, but metamerism index of 78/75 really isnt much impressive. For what is good 25 bit depth when colors are "off" right from sensor? ICC profiling probably can help, but if you ever saw difference between color profiled 5DMK2 and 1DsMK3, you will know it cant save it.
In theory it could be best studio 35mm camera, in practise it will be still Sony A900. And most likely A99, cause Sony is using superior CFA on pretty much everything except very low end models. Considering "improved" noise performance of 5DMK3, I doubt it will be much better in this deparment, but they can suprise as samples from 5DMK3 seemed quite promising and very "non-Canon" like. Unlike D800 studio ones where skin looks mostly bit wierd.. Reply |
Added by lastras |
March 23, 2012
February 9th
"When you test it, I think we'll see a DxOMark new high score, and world's best dynamic range and fantastic low light ISO scores."
I said that 2 months ago. Thank you, DxOMark for making my look smart. Sony EXMOR sensors are incredible. Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
Added by fishnose |
March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
Only one problem here - the D800 sensor is NOT made by Sony.
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Added by GrumpyDiver |
March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
According to all the reports, it is a Sony sensor. Nikon does not make its own sensors. While they manufacture many things, they do not own a fab and contract all that work out.
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Added by impurenrg |
March 23, 2012
Re: February 9th
Correct. I believe the D700/D3 was the last time Nikon made it's own sensor in DSLR. (which is why the D700 performs better than the D800)
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Added by joeholmes |
March 05, 2012
D800 Review Quibble
You state that the D800 will do 6 fps with the addition of the grip, but you should correct that to state that the 6 fps is available with the grip and ONLY in DX format, that is, the 15 megapixel crop of the full frame.
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Added by Jools33 |
February 27, 2012
Its not the MP count... its other things that make a good camera
I read today that Nokia are releasing a 41MP phone - so already the D800 is losing out to a smartphone ;) Seriously though it takes more than MP count to make a good camera - and what will be interesting is the dynamic range and high ISO abilities - of both the D800 and Nokias new wonder phone. I'd personally like to see the D4 sensor in an ultraportable trimmed down DSLR - a sortof Nikon FE for the digital era.
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Added by ghibby |
February 17, 2012
EOS 5D Mk2
Totally ignoring anything other than the thumbnails of the two cameras here but it really bugs me that after more than 3 years on the market the image of the EOS 5D mk2 is quite clearly a doctored one of the original 5D. This shot first circulated when people we wondering what the Mk2 would actually be. This site should be a little more organised and professional that this and it staggers me that no one has picked this up!!
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Added by diforbes |
February 17, 2012
D800 vs D700
"The D800 gives up the very high sensitivity of the D700 in favor of higher resolution." I'm surprised to see this statement from DxO without supporting data and test results.
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Added by SiliconVoid |
February 17, 2012
Questionable bias...
I regularly visit DxOMark for statistical data before seeking my next lens or considering a new body. (No - the equipment does not make or break your images, but while you can technically cut a steak with spoon it is much easier, faster, and precise with a sharp finely honed blade..)
What I am unfortunately seeing in some of your verbal assessments of late is the comparisons seem 'fanboyish'. When the 'older equipment' information is presented like an obituary and the newer equipment reads like the front page of a tabloid you could hardly consider that an unbiased 3rd party perspective. Specifically the comparison of the 5DmkII. Before anyone starts thinking 'Canon fanboy rant!' I own both Canon and Nikon equipment. Through inheritance, adoption, or simply hooking up with a spouse that prefers another brand I have ended up with two Canon bodies (60D/5DmkII) and two Nikon bodies (D300s/D700) not to mention a healthy amount of glass for each. My gripe is simply when I see comments and comparisons made with verbiage designed to imply superiority over another even when the differences are slight or nonexistent. In this comparison it is obvious that someone at DxO prefers Nikon in this context, and even the simple listing of data shows it. O.o In this 'paper' comparison it would have been nice to have relevant information added and/or embellished: The images produced by the 5DmkII and its 'lowly' 21mp are superb, there is no sharpness lacking that cannot be achieved with better glass (certainly something that will be a major factor with the 36mp sensor of the D800). So to automatically hypothesize that the D800 sensor will meet expectations or be superior because it has more pixels is absurd, especially as you have not even tested the D800 yet. You at least described the ISO range evenly without adding or leaving out relevant data to favor one or the other. AF - Lets be honest, you do not need any more than one AF point and place it over the subject you want to be in focus. Quality images rely more on composition than focus. While the 5DmkII appears to be lacking in number you do not include the same description of its components. Artificially emphasizing some inferiority of the 5DmkII by stating no more than the number of its points even though there is relevant data for its AF mechanism and that all points are cross type - and that there are additional 'hidden' points that assist in the evaluative focus and tracking. I will certainly give kudos to Nikon though for their servo tracking mode, it is indeed superior to Canon across all models. I enjoy it a great deal on my D300s and D700 when shooting wildlife, especially birds. Though to be fair in handing out praise I have to say that my two Canon bodies, and all the way down the Rebel line I have used, all appear to focus faster on average. So even though they may have less focus points in each tier something is working more effectively. Metering? Nothing more than two different ways to get to the same point. I have never encountered a metering issue that could not be adjusted where it needs to be, and have had to make adjustments for both brands. Not sure about the scene recognition and its role in face detection AF, played with it on a lower Nikon model without any lasting impression. If you wish to make any comparisons for video capabilities please at least mention where they differ! Both bodies do full HD video, have the same frame rates at 1080p, and with the same input/output options sans the raw HDMI output (though available on the 5DmkII with Magic Lantern.) The main differences are the cropped modes (magnification) offered by the D800, and 60fps at 720p - versus the full manual exposure control provided by canon. Whether trading either of these features for the other will make you go with one over the other can only be determined by the user. Yes the viewfinder is larger on the D800 (100% vs 98%), but does it really make any difference to the image that one has a tiny bit smaller view? No it does not. Now if one were larger than the actual capture area, and you ended up cropping off parts of the scene you thought you were getting, that would be an issue! At this level you are doing post processing 95% of the time anyway, if you got something in the shot around the border on the 5DmkII you did not want just clip it off... Both are big and bright and display relevant shooting data. The 5DmkII allows you to change out the focus screens for specialized needs. -moot They both have the same display, why you felt the need to add viewing angle for one and not the other just reads like one is inferior. Not only are they the same, but Canon has been offering that lcd for longer and across more models than Nikon. Not to mention that Canon's display does not pixelate when zooming into the last two or three magnifications like Nikon. (hopefully they have changed that in the D800) The frame rate is identical for any practical measurement for the exception that the frame rate does not increase on the D800 with the addition of any other accessories, it increases when shooting in DX cropped mode. I will give the point to Nikon for the flash. I know many people who say a pop up flash does not belong on a pro body. All I can tell you is that I use it often on my D700 for a little fill in the field and wish my 5DmkII had one. Both have external flash sync. Not sure what you are describing as if it were any different. (wireless commander mode maybe?) Weight - Canon is lighter, both have magnesium bodies. Battery life - About the same at this level from any manufacturer. (Though Sony would be the only other manufacturer of a 'compact' body FF, and no longer considered in this tier as it does not offer video.) If you are going to even mention price, Canon is the winner. Outstanding image quality and broadcast video for ~$800 less currently. If more mp, more post processing, pop up flash, and digital video zoom are worth ~$800 then by all means get the Nikon. Weather sealing - You do not mention anything about the 5DmkII as if it does not have any environmental sealing, which it certainly does. Can we please let this issue go already..? The number of equipment review sites that incorrectly imply there was no additional sealing or body improvements from the original 5D is staggering, and just emphasizes the lack of experience and knowledge the reviewer has with the product being reviewed. I have had all four of my cameras out in the rain, crawling through dew soaked grass, spilled drinks on/around them, been splashed around the pool, lake, beach, etc and never had an issue with any of the higher end bodies from Nikon or Canon. None of them are waterproof, they all have some level of sealing, all things being considered the only thing you need to be overly concerned with is your lenses. Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
Added by Weyskipper |
February 18, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
Your 5D MKII sounds like the all time perfect camera. I would suggest you don't bother with any other camera ;)
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Added by kdsand |
February 23, 2012
Re: Questionable bias...
There's several review conclusions that have me scratching my head. Following the numbers going by the data leads me to for example say two lenses are fairly evenly matched yet one has a very vigorous and enthusiastic review while the other average. Perhaps there's something I'm overlooking.
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February 24, 2012
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There should be another parameter - noise uniformity, I have 5dmark2 and pattern noise is horrible @ low iso and on stacked images ( (1+1+1) /3).
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February 09, 2012
Is D7000 overkill?

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D800 have the same pixel density as D7000. I dont think thats overkill. D800 will just offer wider images at the same pixel density with the same optics. Safari photographers would not need a D7000 backup camera to get closter to the subject compared to using the D700.
I guess the D800 will offer significantly less ISO noise (amount) then the D700, when comparing prints and full screen images on screen. In addition to less amount of noise the noise will be more fine grained and problably look smoother in prints and full screen viewing. Think fine sand vs coarse sand. If you dont like the improved crop capabilities, try pixel binning 2*2 pixels with D800E. Despite lower pixel count i think i could be sharper then D700 images due to no AA filter. High ISO would probably be a lot better then the D700. Large files are a backdraw that impacts speed, storage capasity and probably battery capasity in #pictures. You just have to be more patient both when shooting, transfering and editing images. About 50% more patient compared to D3x, and 3 times more compared to D700. DR are probably better then both D7000 and D3x. That could mean a new over all high score. Btw. How is the formula to calculate the overall score from the sub scores? Reply |
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February 09, 2012
Nikon D800

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When you test it, I think we'll see a DxOMark new high score, and world's best dynamic range and fantastic low light ISO scores.
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February 08, 2012
Overkill of MP
Beautiful camera, but for me personally the 36MP seems a bit of an overkill. But may be we have to think out of the box and is 36MP in a few years standard?? I assume many people have to buy a new computer as well ;-)
Like you stated in your article, I am very curious about the performance and image quality of this camera. We'll have to wait until March :) ... Good luck with the testing and thank you so much in advance for your appreciated work! Kind regards, André Reply | Read all replies for this comment |
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March 23, 2012
Re: Overkill of MP
It can be bit problematic to process 36 mpix RAW at full resolution, but depending on intended use its no issue to downsize it to 12 mpix and process after that.
Tho storing 36 mpix RAWs with current price for HDD can be issue.. But if you consider there are 80 mpix digital backs out there, some ppl already did that, so its possible. :D If you have enough money.. Reply |
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March 24, 2012
Re: Overkill of MP
Fast computers and large HDDs are cheap these days, compared to even just a couple of years ago. That's the least of our problems.
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Re: Overkill of MPQuote: Fast computers and large HDDs are cheap these days, compared to even just a couple of years ago. That's the least of our problems. Mescalamba was talking more about the inflated prices due to supply restrictions from the flooding in Thailand. Of course, prices are recovering... Reply |


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The promise of restorative justice: New approaches for criminal justice and beyond
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It is becoming increasingly clear that the principles of restorative justice can be used, as the editors say, outside the formal criminal justice system, and this book bears witness to that. Half is about criminal justice, and half about other applications in schools and elsewhere. The contributors reflect the book's origins among a group at Fresno Pacific University in California, but other chapters come from Bulgaria, Canada, Hong Kong and the United Kingdom.
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