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Why can't I have sheets like my mother-in-law?
I have tried to get some really nice sheets that feel very silky, very soft, and very restful when I slip in bed.
My mother-in-law has one such fitted sheet in the bed we sleep in when we visit. It feels divine when I get in bed.
It is an old sheet that she has had for many years - so I don't know what quality level it was considered back in the day when she got it, and I am not sure she knows either.
Knowing how frugal she is and how she always goes for the lowest price she can get away with, I don't think she ever ventured into anything of the Sferra/Matouk/Peacock Alley types. Could it be because this cotton sheet may have become like silk from so many years of washing?
At the same time, it has no rips or holes in it but it does feel quite thin yet strong overall - which is superb for the summer. What comes to mind when I touch it is silk.
I, on the other hand, have been sticking my nose into luxury sheets (or should I call them "so-called" luxury sheets) in the hope that I will be able to buy some amazing level of softness like my mother-in-law has. Not that I can afford luxury linens, exactly; but I did manage to get a discontinued Peacock Alley Duvet Cover from Tuesday Morning once.
I also just got my son a Ralph Lauren Sateen Dunham sheet set and while this might not be considered "luxury", it was still supposed to feel nice.
Both DID feel nice at the store, especially the PA which also has nice, quality stitching (the RL not so much); but once I washed them that film of "something" from the manufacturer goes away, and only a somewhat rough sheet is left.
Both, including the PA, which is supposed to be officially "luxurious", are VERY FAR from my mother-in-law's old beaten sheet.
Although they seem sturdy and well made (except that RL's stitches are questionable) at the end of the day they still have some level of subtle roughness beneath the apparently soft make on top...or somewhere in there.
I should mention I did the baking soda, vinegar rinse and washing again trick to "break them in" after purchase, plus perfect pressing with a strong iron steamer... and it's still not the "soft" I have in mind.
Maybe I acquired the "Princess and the Pea" syndrome?
I have heard so many people complaining about post-purchase-and-washing roughness and some even saying that truly high quality, durable, silky-soft cotton sheets don't even exist anymore...that I wonder whether I should even waste my time looking.
Any suggestion for a brand guaranteed to give me that "waow" feel AFTER washing would be appreciated.
I'd like to find some nice 'soft' sheets also. my favorite set I bought about 30 yrs ago at Mervyns. since they are gone I don't know where to go. I checked the label on the top sheet and don't find them being made/sold anywhere these days. The bottom sheet wore thru a number of yrs back.
I do see a lot of sheets that say they are soft and then include 'sateen' in the description. I stay away from them because my memory of 'sateen' (from about 48 yrs ago when I worked in a fabric store) is that it is NOT soft.
I really need a new set... I have a few sets that are not very soft. a few from my sister and a few from the goodwill. one set from GW is soft but tho marked as Q size, it isn't! I do use the top sheet but can't use the bottom.
I don't know about luxury sheets; mine are from Land's End. I have a 15 year old set of their oxford cloth sheets--the bottom sheet especially has become very smooth and soft. My guess is that they are around 250 or 300 thread count.
Part of what you are looking for may just be the effect of time and wear and washing on a decent quality cotton sheet.
Try looking into the cotton from which the sheets are made. That makes a difference, too.
Combed cotton is a step above just plain old cotton. In combed cotton, the fibers are combed and aligned in the same direction, so the threads are smoother.
A step up from that is Egyptian or Supima or Pima cotton--all cottons with a longer fiber, so fewer ends to poke out of the thread and make pills and feel "rough." Turkish cotton is getting up into the same ranks, IMO.
It's a combination of the type of cotton used, how the cotton is combed and spun into thread and how the thread is woven that makes a sheet soft or silky.
... and of course they've been washed a bazillion times, and those earlier laundry detergents were pretty harsh. And they were dried by hanging in the sun. So. The fabric had to stand up to that treatment... or rather, had to get softer.
And if you have REALLY old sheets, they were beaten on the rocks down by the river, lol....
Sheets were made so much better back then, which is why I often go on eBay to see what is available in terms of "vintage sheets". they have a lot of them, so check out eBay.
I do have a set of Thomas Lee sheets which are very silky feeling without being sateen. I LOVE the way they feel (very smooth and silky), and they haven't changed in the five years I've had them. I follow their washing directions to a t, namely warm water, no bleach. They're expensive, though. Another you might consider would be linen sheets. VERY soft and lightweight, but again, expensive. See Restoration Hardware.
"Could it be because this cotton sheet may have become like silk from so many years of washing?"
Yes. I don't think there were some kind of magically better sheet making materials or processes in The Old Days. When you are sleeping on sheets that have been laundered for decades, you are just sleeping on sheets that have been softened by laundering for decades :).
There really is no quick way to duplicate that feeling. You just have to get decent quality sheets and wash them and wash them and wash them and...ad infinitum.
I'm noticing that my last batch of JC Penney egyptian cotton sheets, which are crisp but soft now after years of use, are getting pinholes. Sigh, the curse of bleaching. I should get a new set and start the breaking in process I suppose.
I think like everything else...they just don't make them like they used to. Growing up in the 50's and 60's, we had the kind of sheets you are talking about. My mom probably bought all our sheets at Penney's and always cotton "percale"...that seems to be the magic ingredient missing today. They were soft, crisp, and lasted for years. I have a set I bought from Penney's probably 10 years ago that remind me of the old ones. I have a sateen set I bought at Costco that I dislike very much. If you can find a Percale sheet it's worth trying.
I see you tried to break them in with baking soda, vinegar and a rewash- but have you tried using white vinegar as your fabric softener? I switched to it and my towels and linens are much softer and the towels much more absorbent. I use a cup of vinegar per wash load.
This subject comes up here about every 6 months. You can do a search to find other similar threads. They're all very long with many posts as, it seems that the majority of us here on this forum are also always on the lookout for them. Sheets like we grew up with that are crisp, cool and well-made. Sadly, I haven't found any like that so far. I have a set of (at least 6 year old) Ralph Laurens that are close.
I would think that some very smart entrepreneur would realize that he/she could make a fortune just by finding an old formula and making them for us all. Unfortunately, at this time, it seems that no one is that smart!
Just want to second two comments here. First, it is well worth looking for vintage sheets...I have found some great sheets and pillow cases at Salvation Army. You won't often get matching sets, though.
Second, percale is also what I think is missing. When you find a good percale set and wash them down for a year or so, they get that soft "rub" to them, while still having a crisp "snap" when you make the bed. Hmm...there ya go: a good sheet will have a "soft rub" and a "crisp snap." Ha! :)
I just purchased some LLBean Pima Cotton Percale sheets. They are beautifully stitched, soft, and cool. The one caution though is that they are made in China and actually it wasn't a sheet set as the top sheet, bottom sheet, and pair of pillow cases are sold separately.
They were more costly than I would expect made in China goods to be and I wasn't thrilled that they were imported but it seems that's the way the world is. Though I like them I will be looking elsewhere for another set.
We provide sheets and towels for our renters. I read several reviews and decided on these: http://t.jcpenney.com/tablet/jsp/browse/pp/product.jsp?Ntt=&ppId=1a149e3&categoryId=cat100250068&subcatId=&deptId=dept20000012®Id=&cmcatId=cat100250068¤tDim=&dimCombo=¤tDimVal=&dimComboVal=&grMode=
We tried one set before ordering 12 sets. I think they are a great value and a nice quality sheet for the money. They do have some poly in them, so don't wrinkle much. We have a weekly cleaning service to clean and do the laundry. The tenants so far have been leaving excellent feedback.
I have the Thomas Lee sheets also but their fitted sheet isn't large enough for my mattress. I use Macy's Hotel Collection 600 TC Egyptian Cotton for the fitted sheet. It's a sateen, but smooth & cool. I buy them on Ebay - way too expensive at Macy's. Check out Ebay. I've bought various Frette (Celeste, percale) Peacock Alley sheets but really like the Hotel Park 600 TC or Bloomingdale's Hudson Valley 600 TC. They are the same.
I love the TL pillow cases (ironed) & will change iit cleaning lady puts something else on my pillow.
This post was edited by romy718 on Tue, Jul 15, 14 at 11:01
Last year, I bought a set of sheets with a crocheted edge from one of the flash sales sites. It is the best set of sheets I have found in a long, long time. They are incredibly soft and smooth and launder like a dream with hardly any wrinkles even though they are 100% cotton. Wouldn't you know that I can't find a brand name on them anywhere nor can I remember which site I bought them from. It makes me crazy!
I agree that the best sheets are made from 100% long staple cotton. The thread count doesn't even have to be very high for them to feel wonderful. The best percale were the old Charisma brand (pre-1985) that were sold in most department stores. They were made of Supima (U.S.A. grown long staple cotton) and had a great crisp finish. I see that the Charisma brand is being used again, but I don't think it is the same manufacturer.
romy, the Thomas Lee fitted sheet isn't big enough for your mattress??? Wow. I have a VERY thick mattress, and it's too big for it. One thing, in fact, about Thomas Lee sheets is that they are larger than most. I was surprised to read that. How on earth did you ever find sheets deep enough, then, for your bed?
Thank you all for your answers.
Some comments:
1. How can I verify what kind of cotton the sheets were made of? How long the staple, etc? If they say Egyptian, or Pima etc on them - then you have some info. If not, there's nothing written anywhere about ply, staple, etc.
I forgot I also need that PhD in textile engineering. Now that I am done with a medical degree, law, pharmacy, construction, IT and Education - just to get mt kids through school, I will grab the textile one quickly too.
2. If washing it for ages is the only hope, I am afraid there isn't much hope. :-(. If I must wait until I am 70 to have such sheets...then well, I guess I am in for a longer ride without soft sheets. Also, this might be really, really bad - but we don't change sheets extremely often. Between full-time career, two kids and cooking, I can hardly change my sheets every few days like a hotel does.
3. I guess trying e-bay for vintage might work but it can be time-consuming to nail exactly the right thing, plus again - can't touch.
It seems there is a huge trend towards "buying-blind" with all decent merchandise being on the Internet, and hardly anything left in stores.
What bothers me is that you can't even have a brand guarantee anymore. If I knew shelling out the money to get X brand would guarantee softness and high quality, I would do it once and would get it over with.
But I got Peacock Alley - which is supposed to be all that - and I am still not impressed.
Just when I thought that going to Vermont's Country Store would solve the problem because, after all, they specialize in all things "grandma", you see reviews that say their sheets are far from grandma's. So what gives?
Maybe it really is a question of washing the living lights out of them over the years.
I have recently started drying mine on the line and yes, I am using the WHITE vinegar trick.
Don't see much softening up though.
You can order a swatch of the Thomas Lee sheets from them so that you can feel them. They also have a 90-day return policy if you're unhappy with them. they should, for what you pay for them! However, they really and truly are silky soft, and they really and truly do stay that way. they are oversized, though, which I love. The flat sheet actually fits well on these new thick mattresses!
But, they are tooooooooo expensive! What you feel in the swatch IS what you will have in the sheets forever, only if anything, with further softening up as time goes by.
I read that those super-high TC-s may not necessarily be a good sign. Do you find them much softer/better than sheets with lower TC, 800 and below?
I actually do have two swatches from Thomas Lee.
When I first got them I could recognize they feel different from mainstream store sheets. They have quite a bit of softness/fine-ness to them, this is true - but I still feel some level of roughness in too, believe it or not.
It may sound crazy but it is definitely not that ice smooth feel of my mil's sheet.
OK, I think these are the right words to describe the difference:
- all new nice sheets I tried, no matter how soft, high quality and "brand-y" feel a little bit like paper. Matte and a tad rough.
- my mil's sheet feels ICE smooth.
That's the difference: PAPER sheet vs ICE-smooth sheet!
I think those who said that type of smoothness comes from wash and wear must be right. Thomas Lee look nice but not nice enough to justify the price. They still feel like paper to me, perhaps even a bit more than others I have tried.
The funny thing is I have some sheets on my daughter's bed which I got them a few years ago from BBB, at a time I didn't care much about bedding. I just wanted to get away cheap. Not very high quality sheets because they are already breaking apart at the edges, looser weave, pilling, etc. However, they are DARN soft. More like fleecy soft - and they are 100% cotton, nothing synthetic.
It seems as though you can spend a lot on some fancies and still get that solid paper matte, slightly rough feel which I hate...and you can spend less, and get very soft but probably deteriorating fast, which is a problem in and of itself.
The world of linens seems to be quite crazy and I never knew it. I used to think it was pretty simple:
Go to store. Grab some cotton so you won't be stifled in synthetics. Pay. Leave store. Go home.
But...it doesn't look like it anymore. The whole "home" world is up in arms about not being able to find sheets like grandma's anymore. So there must be something true to this.
I didn't use to care at all about bedding. Must have been those 20's and 30's when all you care about is clothes, make-up and perfume. But then, in my upper 30's I slept in a nice hotel and realized what a difference high quality bedding can make; and then I started to care.
Guess it's a sign I am getting old. :-)
As my sister says, "in my 20's, I could have slept on a rock".
Now...lo and behold, even Thomas Lee or PA don't feel that great to me.
This post was edited by Begonia2005 on Tue, Jul 15, 14 at 14:03
There are very, very few linens produced today that we'll be able to pass down to the next generation.
At least we can recycle them into household rags, I suppose, to prevent them from ending up in the landfills with all the mismatched $2.00 Old Navy flip-flops.
Isn't some kind of synthetic in them...or I understood the process involves quite a lot of chemicals. I didn't understand exactly but I read they can't quite be passed as 100% natural.
I also heard some complaining that they can be clammy and stifling too.
Cotton is still "the tried and true" thing - but only if done right, apparently.
Reporting in as one more sheet addict! The sheets that my MIL and Grandmother had were those wonderful old scalloped Wamsutta sheets - they were 100% cotton percale and later called supercale or elite....alas I do not believe they are available. I have 2 sets left...they are worn to perfection and are cool & crisp. Today - I agree with Tibbrix...the closest is the Thomas Lee brand. Another brand that is not as elegant but quite nice is the 250 count all cotton percale from The Company Store -. I have the latter in a summer cottage...the jury is out ...but I will report back after a few more washings!
Re: bamboo sheets. Are they crisp and cool? The closest I've come to anything bamboo are several pairs of DH's socks. I was surprised at how much longer they take to dry in the dryer. They're not holding up as long as his other socks either. They were from a Clark Shoe store and were not cheap. Do bamboo sheets take longer to dry, too?
Ok, back from Macy's with my new bedding. It was overwhelming -- mostly sticker shock and trying to find simple, classy ecru or white for a king bed (all sizes but king for the pretty stuff, lotsa ugly otherwise).
I bought the Macy's Charter Club Classics -- 400 count, 100% generic cotton, made in India (if that matters). Any opinion on these sheets?
Bought a new bed skirt, and looked and looked for ecru/white matelasse or something similar, but no luck. At least there was a Martha Stewart quilted coverlet at half price. Unfortunately no plain white or ecru in king size, so I got a pale yellow print that isn't bad. But coming home, I realized I forgot to get a new mattress pad. So I ducked into our local Kohls to get one, and there was the perfect plain, ecru, quilted coverlet with a pretty scalloped edge!
Maybe I should paint the bedroom in one of those wonderful Farrow & Ball off whites...
I just googled "cotton percale sheets" and here is a list of places that supposedly sell them:
Exceptionalsheets.com, Kohls, Target, Company Store, Garnet Hill, LL Bean, Overstock, BBB, Wayfair, Linensource. Penneys did not come up but I think they sell a version as well.
I may take a look at some of these sites. I'll report back if I find anything significant.
Those old sheets that are very thin and feel so soft are probably without a doubt the old Wamsutta "Supercale" or comparable type that were made with good long staple cotton IN AMERICA and contain polyester. My grandmother had several of these sets and like an idiot I didn't keep them when she died. I also have bought the Thomas Lees and I like them but they are almost a little too stiff for me. I found some Peacock Alley at Tuesday Morning which was actually labelled "Dream At Home" which are percale made in Portugal and have the old fashioned scallop on the edge. I got a set in blue and red. These are thinner than the Thomas Lees and are more similar to the old Supercale types. I have gotten into the habit of changing the sheets once a week and ironing them after laundering on gentle cycle in warm water and drying on lowest setting, which makes the first night sleeping on them in particular wonderful.
The first thing you need to do if forget about anything other than percale. Don't buy anything made in China. Linens made in Italy or Portugal seem to be better. I don't even know if they make sheets in America anymore. I once found a sheet of Sferra "Linnea Casa" Percale at Tuesday Morning that felt wonderful, but unfortunately, they only had one set in king and I need queen. I check Tuesday Morning periodically--they always have these luxury sheet brands, but most are sateen. I usually find a couple of percales mixed in amongst the mountains of sateen.
By the way, why does hardly anyone make sateen anymore? The website Garnet Hill makes what look like high quality percale but I haven't tried them.
I recently needed to buy new linens for a vacation home and didn't want to break the bank, but am very picky about sheets. I've tried various ones as you mentioned like RL that felt great in the store and then not so much after washing. Years ago I'd bought Costco Kirkland brand sheets and loved them, but both DD's bought them about a year ago, and said they were different from what they used to be so I avoided all Costco sheets in my trials. But then someone on GW mentioned that the Costco Charisma sheet sets were a fantastic price and wonderful, and didn't wrinkle much. So I tried one set and was convinced. I've only bought the white ones, but I've decided that's my go-to sheet for right now. Sadly if you need any twin sheets they don't have that size, but do have king and queen. The only weird thing about the Charisma sheets is that the ends of the fitted sheets have a different fabric set into the part that is below the top of the bed. It's not felt or seen once the bed is made, and I'm not sure why they do it unless they think it makes them more durable. The cost is $39.99 for a queen set with 4 pillowcases and $49.99 for king with 4 pillowcases. The sizing is generous so I use jumbo queen pillows. The king seems about standard for king, but both are deep enough for my mattress.
The great thing about getting them from Costco is also that you can always return them.
You might have a point. It didn't occur to me that these sheets might have some polyester in them, which would clearly give them that icy softness. I never considered it because polyester sheets feel very stifly and clammy to me and these sheets sure don't.
Then again, if it's a combination with a lot of high quality cotton, I wouldn't be surprised. Next time we'll go, I will have to dig up for the tag!!
I recently bought 2 sets of Pottery Barn 400thread count Classic sheets. My options were limited because I needed sheets for XL Twin beds. They are 100% cotton. They come out of the dryer somewhat wrinkled, but not horribly so. I iron the pillow cases and the upper edge of the flat sheet just for esthetics, not for function. I am very pleased with them.
The sheet that I like most is from Sears. It came with DH when we married. The fitted sheet disintegrated years ago, but the flat sheet is still going strong! Wish I could find more.
These guys have the percale made from the long staple cotton with some polyester, SINGLE PLY.
These might actually be what you're looking for.
Another tip for sheets and a great night's sleep is to line dry them. Also saves energy, saves on your electric bill, etc. Unless it's raining when I have a turnover, I line dry all of my tenants' sheets so that they can climb into bed their first night to fresh smelling, cool airy sheets.
Here is a link that might be useful: Long staple cotton sheets.
This post was edited by Tibbrix on Wed, Jul 16, 14 at 10:37
I generally buy nice sheets for our bed, but I needed new sheets for a twin bed in a spare bedroom. I was in Walmart one day and saw some sheets that were really cute. I rubbed them with my hands and thought, "Why not?"
Oh my gosh. I took a nap on the bed that afternoon and slept like a baby!
I have to touch a sheet before I buy it, but let's just say I'm no longer a sheet snob. lol
I recently found 100% cotton percale sheets at Marshall's. They were made by nicole miller and were kind size. They didn't have a price on them so I took them up front and they only charged me $30! Score! Now, the don't sleep as "cool" as I would like but they're nice enough!
This may be a helpful read...
Here is a link that might be useful: The Best Sheets
Try eucalyptus sheets, they are amazing! We had some bamboo ones too that lasted about 5 years, couldn't find the same kinds again so we tried the eucalyptus from bed bath and beyond. Crisp, soft and wonderfulðÂÂÂ
This post was edited by mrsfireman on Thu, Jul 17, 14 at 0:47
This is exactly what is sitting on our bed right now and believe it or not, it is our ONLY sheet set besides a worn out, horrible, super-pilled flannel sheet set that we take out in the winter when it gets really cold and the eucalyptus feels simply too cold. I DO love the feel of these sheets, they are definitely very soft, but as laughable as this might be, it still kind of bothers me, striclty psychologically, to know that it is not a 100% natural fiber.
Given I don't have any nice cotton sheet set, I wanted to find out too. So I am still chasing for the cotton sheets of my dreams.
In the meantime, I simply wanted to find some good ones for my kids. After returning a Ralph Lauren set which was fine but too big, I grabbed an Organic Cotton Sheet Set from Target, mainly for the fit, and called it a day. I am so done with my son's sheets for now. It fits, it's OK, it felt very nice and smooth in the store but of course it roughened up after I washed it. Then again, ALL OF THEM seem to do that.
While at BB@B, the Wamsutta DreamZone Micro-Cotton sheets caught my attention. It felt very, very soft and icy in the store, and I almost got it.
Then I saw a review online that said it made the person "sweat like a pig"...maybe because of a very high TC? It is 100% cotton, after all.
No TC was mentioned on the package.
I don't know, it sounded a little suspicious - so I will keep looking.
Downy. Downy! (I use unscented.)
I agree they don't make them like they used to. Fieldcrest is not the same now, it's terribly disappointing. And yes, of course, on top of that old sheets are broken in.
But liquid fabric softener, used generously and often, does wonders. Vinegar is not the same at all. Vinegar is a rinse aid and can help with soap buildup - which, if soap was built up in the clothes, will help them feel softer. Liquid fabric softener coats the fibers - kind of like conditioner for your hair!
I'm a massage therapist and I actually use Macy's Charter Club at work and at home. Swear by them. Target made lovely bamboo ones at one point, but no longer. (Bamboo does take longer to dry, I use some bamboo pillowcases at work and they always take longer!) I also have the Target organic cotton ones at home; they aren't so great.
I agree thread count isn't important; it is all about the quality of cotton.
I should say I like the Macy's Charter Club Damask Stripe and Solid. They make other styles, but I don't know about them.
And even between packages of that same brand there are differences! The grey sheet set I got was particularly nice, but the matching duvet cover was NOT matching in quality. Different batch of cotton.
I also think dark colors such as brown can be less soft.
Sorry to revive this but...question for wormgirl:
I thought it is better not to use fabric softeners: first, for the chemicals and then, I heard it affects the fabric too.
You are right that vinegar doesn't do a thing.
I used it on several sheets and it absolutely doesn't work.
The 'old sheets' many of you mention were probably percale. It's what I remember my Mom talking about and saying never to buy the cheap muslin ones. I'm pretty sure she bought them at either Penney's or Montgomery Ward as those were the only two 'department type' store back when I was a kid~speciality linen stores had 'not been thought of yet'. When they were washed and became worn as well as thinner, with no balling up, they became as smooth as silk.
Here's the definition of percale........
Here is a link that might be useful: what it is
Tibbrix-Macy's 600 TC Hotel Collection makes an extra deep fitted sheet-fits a 25" mattress. Our mattress is 23" or so, pillow top with 2 body size impressions - big mistake on that mattress purchase.
My Thomas Lee are 5 or 6 years old. Love them for the top sheet & pillowcases.
Begonia - read the Macy's reviews on the HC 600TC & buy one sheet on EBay. I think you'd be pleased.
Or find a sheet that looks like MIL's & do a switch.
I'm always on the lookout for my favorite sheets: cool and crisp because some day my favorite old Wamsutta's may finally fall apart.
Fortunately I am still using my old Wamsuttapercale sheets - they were a 50/50 blend of cotton/poly and then later they became 60/40 (I think 60 poly/40 cotton) and if I felt like walking upstairs to my linen closet I could check. I also have a few sets of Springs percale.
My MIL worked in the linen dept at Beale's and that's what she always gave us as Christmas presents. At the time I suggested it so that she wouldn't buy me red paisley sweaters that didn't fit or weird kitchen appliances that were never used.
I have some sets that are over 20 years old and they're still wearing and laundering well. I have replaced the elastic on most of them .We're not talking high thread count either - these sheets were 200 or 250 thread count. They haven't pilled, some of the printed sheets have faded over the years but none of the fitted sheets have worn thin.
I have bought some of the high thread count sheets when I was seduced by a particular color or design. But they haven't lasted, they pill and the fitted sheet gets thin and tears.
It's funny because now that my kids have left home they've asked me what sheets were on their double beds when they were living here. I laugh because they'll never find them. I'd give the sheets to them but they all have king beds and even though I dearly love my kids - I'm not giving them my Wamsutta's.........although maybe I'll add them to my will.
I had a friend who sent her sheets out to be laundered. She had them lightly starched, too. She discovered that to get the crisp, pressed feel that she loved, she could not use sheets above 300TC. I do not recall her ever telling me if she bought sateen or some other finish. Regretfully, she is no longer with us, so I can't call and ask.
Melsouth.....growing up and even now J.C. Penney we've always called it just Penney's..never J.C. Penney.....it was mom's go-to store for sheets, towels and underwear for the family. I think she also bought dad's white dress shirts there as well. Fond memories going there as a kid at our little local "outdoor mall."
I do believe the best percale sheets are the lower thread count..I'm just not impressed by the expensive high thread count sheets.
I bought some sateen sheets from Garnet Hill for the guest room in a different color than the link below, but same pattern. I was hesitant about the sateen, but figured I'd give them a try for the guest room. They are wonderful!! Very, very soft and they don't wrinkle like my own cotton sheets. I haven't tried their solid sateen yet, but will.
On my own bed I have their hemstitched supima percale, which are not nearly as nice. More of a crisper feel and they wrinkle a lot.
Now I take a lot of naps in the guest room.
Here is a link that might be useful: sateen sheets
This post was edited by peacamp on Fri, Jul 18, 14 at 11:08
Begonia 2005,
Seventh Generation makes a liquid fabric softener. I haven't tried it yet but may get some next time when I run out of my Downy Free stash.
Without going on a whole rant -- remember water is a chemical, our bodies are made of chemicals, and there is nothing inherently bad about chemicals. As far as harmful chemicals in household products, fragrance is one of the worst! Even essential oils can be potent irritants. So buying unscented cuts down on a lot of them right there.
I haven't researched it but I was under the impression fabric softener is *not* high on the list of harmful products. I believe silicones are the main ingredient - like dimethicone - which are used in many hair conditioners and skin lotions.
Of course, your mileage may vary depending on how "natural" you try to be.
As far as it harming the fabrics - I do not know of this except to say, fabric softeners make towels much less absorbent, so I don't use them except occasionally, when the towels get hard and crunchy feeling.
We went through this a few months ago when we bought a thicker mattress. We have one old sheet set that feels as you describe (it's a twin from my childhood; DD uses it now) and it turned out to be a poly/cotton percale. We tried various "nice" quality sateens, which felt too slippery and hot, and one percale from BB&B, which felt too rough.
We ended up with LL Bean Pima Percale sheets and we are very happy with them. They don't feel exactly like the old sheets, but they are crisp and cool, yet smooth. I can't speak to durability yet, but they do seem to be softening up with each wash (though they were soft enough to start with).
WalMart has a percale blend that I almost tried. It gets very good reviews on their website. You might look into that if you'd rather buy sheets locally so you can feel them. I am thinking the flat sheet might be slightly smaller than LL Bean's and that might be why I didn't go for them, since our mattress is so ridiculously thick; but I can't remember now if that's really the case.
Mainstays 250-TC sheet set at Walmart
Here is a link that might be useful: LL Bean Pima Percale
northcarolina--thanks so much for that link to the Mainstays sheet sets....what a surprise! I picked two twin sets up today since I've had so much trouble finding decent quality at a low price, and was amazed to see that they felt great and are even hemstiched around the hems for the pillowcase and sheet! As you said, the reviews are great on them. Thanks so much for sharing that info as I'd have never tried them otherwise.
It may have been me that first mentioned the Charisma sheets from Costco. I love mine, and I thought that I didn't like sateen sheets. They are lightweight, silky and cool. They don't feel "slimy" like some sateen sheets feel to me. They don't pill at all, and don't come out of the dryer full of wrinkles. I love sliding into bed with my cool, silky sheets.
I was just cleaning out my linen closet today and removed some sheets I took from my mom's house after she passed away. I was going to give them to Salvation Army, because they are a 1970's brown. Maybe I should sell them on eBay or etsy instead......
She gave me a set of jersey sheets when they first came out. They were the greatest thing as well. That woman sure did buy nice sheets.
Hello friends, I'm chiming in just now after a slight absence and cannot resist tossing in my two cents worth on this topic, as I've had quite a similar experience. Some time ago my mother-in-law gave herself a wonderful birthday present, in that she bought all new everything for the boudoir, down to and including new carpeting, and I said, "Way to go, Rosemary, you and Johnnie deserve this treat!" She had a couple of old sheets that she earmarked for the church's charity drive but I wheedled them away for use in my own bedroom. One set, which I believe was Wamsutta, was like the silky ones your mother-in-law has, and the they were designed by Yves St. Lawrence, in awesome pinks and purples. The colors nothwithstanding, those elderly, well-worn and washed, and much beloved sheets were pure perfection to my husband and me. The lovely smoothness of that old bedding transported us into the sleep of the angels. I promise, we NEVER noticed the pink and purple designs, and we slept on them for another 20 years until they could no longer manage to hold together in one piece.
Oh! Holy cow, I just came out of my reverie and realized you had asked a question! Mea culpa! My bad! Here's my suggestion for silky sheets, or at least for as close we can come these days: Buy 100% Egyptian Cotton in a reasonably good thread count, like 300, 400, 500. I'm now a retired senior with rather thin, frail skin, which I feel warrants the smoothest, most silky bedding I can afford. And I buy my Egyptian cotton sheet sets from Penney's, when they go on sale twice a year. And they last forever, well, I'm still using them 8 years later! I have 3 sets and just rotate. Give them a whirl; they're quite reasonable on sale, and enjoy!
I have bought two sets of sheets I have a question about. One set is by Martha Stewart at Macy's; it's white eyelet, maybe $120/queen set, and they're noisy! I also bought a set of Ralph Lauren at Home Goods and they are noisy, too. I can hardly sleep due to the crinkling and crunching. Will this get better? They seem crisp to me, but maybe this is not the same "crisp" all of you are referring to?
I was just looking at the Garnet Hill site and found this description in their Hemstitched Supima 300tc sheets. Might be what some of us are looking for?
"Heirloom-inspired in every way and woven of pure Supima cotton combed to remove all but the finest long-staple fibers, our 300 thread count cotton bedding possesses the soft yet crisp hand craved by enthusiasts of classic percale. The flat sheet, cases and bedskirt are embellished with timeless hemstitch details. The fitted sheet is fully elasticized for a better fit (deep-pocket Queen, King and California King sizes will fit mattresses up to 15"). Imported."
FWIW, I haven't read through all the posts but I did just purchase sheets from Kohl's and washed them last night. They are called The Big One percale sheets. The washed beautifully, are soft, came out of the dryer a little bit wrinkly (but I probably overstuffed it). Haven't put them on the beds yet and can't speak to their longevity, but so far so good. And the price was right. I think what got me was the "percale". I have sheets from 20 years ago that are percale. They were Wamsutta from JC Penney. I couldn't find them anywhere so I took my chances with these. Again, the price and the percale are what got me.
Here is a link that might be useful: Kohl's The Big One percale sheets


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I have a couple areas in my house (hallways) where there are too many recessed cans. I dont want to remove them and cant use dimmers.
My question is are there any can-type bulbs (I dont want somethingthat will look silly) that are really low wattage (or I guess more accurately, low brightness) ? I am thinking like in incandescent like 20-30 watts?
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Yes, but those are about as bright as a 50 or 60 watt incandescent light.
I might try one. I still think it will be too bright. There are 5 cans in the one hall and 3 in the other. I kind of prefer just enough light so that you don't trip and kill yourself.
I use dimmers everywhere. The problem is these are 4 and 3 way switches on these and there is also a sconce that can't be dimmed.
You could either have one dimmer and 2 switches (4 way) for the circuit without the sconce that cannot be dimmed.
Or you could have a Caseta dimmer + pico switches mounted in wall for the circuit that can be dimmed.
Why can't the sconce be dimmed? Is it CFL?
There are sconces that use an antique-style bulb that are only 20 watts, and that cannot be dimmed (well, it can, but it is useless dimmed).
As I understand it, if I were to go with 2 switches and a dimmer, you have to know the wiring- the dimmer can't just be put anywhere.
I also don't really need dimming. It is a hallway. I need 1 set level of reasonably low light.
A dimmer just replaces one of the switches. Doesn't matter which one. I usually only need low lighting in my hallway too, so it is normally dimmed, but I need more light when I vacuum the hallway or otherwise have to clean the floor.
Since the discussion has turned to switch wiring...
Depending on your wiring, that could be possible (challenging) for a traditional wired multi-way setup. It's easy to mess up a multi-way circuit, so the easiest approach is to leave things be unless/ until problems develop.
With wireless switches such as Lutron's Caseta, Levity's LevNet (enOcean), you just need one switch wired into the circuit. The other switches/ remotes just talk to that master switch.
If you're planning on having a simplified switching setup, a wireless setup as described above or a Home Automation system - Lutron's RadioRA2/ Zigbee (Control4) would help.
Here is a link that might be useful: dimmers and multi-way switches
You could use a 5 watt CFL bulb with a low K value. This would give you a low, warm light (30 watt equivalent).
Here is a link that might be useful: Bulbs on-line

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While December is a festive month, it also is usually the month with the most house fires. Overloaded circuits and extension cords powering holiday decorations and careless use of candles are among the two most common causes of fires.
Consider these ideas when decorating your home:
1. Check the electrical rating of each string of lights before you plug it in. The newer "mini" lights are often only 1 or 2 amps per string, but some of the larger lamps (especially the older ones) may be as much as 7 or 8 amps per string. Since these lamps are stored away most of the year, they may become damaged from temperature changes in storage areas (such as alternately hot and cold attics), so inspect the insulation on each cord before plugging it in. If in doubt, purchase a new UL listed string of lights with a lower amperage rating. The newer lamps not only draw less power but are also safer around kids because they do not get as hot as the older ones. Cooler lamps are also less likely to catch combustible items near them on fire.
2. Choose extension cords carefully. Do not plug multiple strings of lights into the small "lamp" type extension cords. (These are often the small brown or white colored ones.) Use good quality UL Listed, heavy gauge cords, and check the amperage rating. Add up the amperage rating of each string of lights that will be plugged into the cord, and make sure that it does not exceed 80 percent of the cord's maximum rating.
3. If your lights trip a circuit breaker or blow a fuse, be VERY careful before just resetting the breaker or replacing the fuse. Household circuits are normally only rated for 15 or 20 amps. It's very easy to overload a circuit with holiday lights, especially if you use a lot of outdoor lights. If you have a lot of lights plugged in, it may be necessary to divide them up, with some plugged into one circuit and some plugged into another.
4. Do not leave indoor holiday lights turned on when you're asleep or away from home.
5. According to the National Fire Protection Association, candles were responsible for 18,000 U.S. house fires in 2003, killing 180 Americans. The most common causes of candle-related fires: Allowing children to light or play with candles, using candles in bedrooms (where people often fall asleep with them lit), allowing candles to burn unattended, allowing candles to burn too low, placing candles too near combustible materials, and leaving candles burning in any location accessible to pets. Having too many candles going in too many places in the house is recipe for disaster, because it's very easy to forget that some of them are burning.
Having children playing with candles may encourage them with the idea of playing with matches, later.
Not a good idea, as that's the cause of many house fires.
Maybe a good Thanksgiving/Christmas gift with which to endow yourself might be to give up smoking - remember how many house fires are started by people smoking - especially smoking in bed?
Ruined clothing, as well - but then, your friends who can't figure what to give you wouldn't need to wrack their brain so much.
Hey - what am I doing - giving you (even a thin) excuse to continue smoking - when you know how bad it may be not only for you but for others around you?
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A plastic garment hanger having a hook with an abutment for engaging an aperture formed in an indicator cap to support the indicator cap on the hanger is provided. A hook having an upwardly projecting web which defines an aperture wherein a descending flexible tongue for engaging an aperture formed in an indicator cap is also provided.
1. A plastic garment hanger comprising:
a hook adapted to engage a supporting means, said hook having an upwardly projecting web extending from said hook; and
an indicator attachment means formed on said upwardly projecting web to engage and releasably secure said indicator to said upwardly projecting web, wherein said attachment means comprises a resilient detent means formed in said upwardly projecting web, said resilient detent means terminating in a resiliently mounted laterally projecting portion.
2. The garment hanger of claim 1, wherein said laterally projecting portion is flexible.
3. The garment hanger of claim 1, which includes an aperture, wherein said aperture is defined by a top edge, bottom edge and side edges of said upwardly projecting web and said laterally projecting portion descends from said top edge.
4. The garment hanger of claim 1, wherein said laterally projecting portion is formed to extend outwardly beyond a plane defined by said web.
5. The garment hanger of claim 1, wherein said hook, said web and said garment hanger are integrally molded.
6. The garment hanger of claim 1 wherein said upwardly projecting web is shaped and dimensioned to extend upwardly from the hook above the top contour of the hook which engages a supporting means.
7. The garment hanger of claim 1, wherein said upwardly projecting web defines an aperture.
8. The garment hanger of claim 7, wherein said aperture is of a substantially square configuration.
9. The garment hanger of claim 7, wherein said aperture is of a substantially semi-circular configuration.
10. The garment hanger of claim 7, wherein said aperture is of a substantially rectangular configuration.
This is a continuation-in-part of U.S. Ser. No. 08/176,087 filed Dec. 30, 1993, now U.S. Pat. No. 5,388,354, which is a file wrapper continuation of U.S. Ser. No. 07/985,342 filed Nov. 30, 1992, now abandoned, which is a file wrapper continuation of U.S. Ser. No. 07/741,462, filed Nov. 17, 1991, now abandoned, corresponding to International Application No. PCT/AU90/00048 having an international filing date of Feb. 8, 1990.
This is also a continuation-in-part of U.S. Ser. No. 08/173,905 filed Dec. 27, 1993, now U.S. Pat. No. 5,507,086, which is a divisional of U.S. Ser. No. 07/670,963, filed May 2, 1991, now U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806, which is a continuation-in-part of U.S. Ser. No. 07/287,985 filed Dec. 20, 1988, now abandoned.
This invention relates to indicators for garment hangers of the type which may be used to indicate the size of a garment supported by the hanger and/or the name of the manufacturer or retailer. This invention is also directed to the field of garment hangers to which indicators are attached and from which clothing or other articles of apparel are suspended.
For purposes of displaying garments suspended on hangers in an orderly and attractive manner to the retail customer, it is often desired to affix an indicating means on the hanger in a position visible to the retail customer while the hanger is suspended on a rack. The indicating means identifies some attribute of the garment suspended from the hanger, such as size, quality, color, manufacturing data, or pattern.
To accommodate the various types of hangers available in the industry numerous indicating means have been developed in a variety of shapes, sizes and materials. Similarly, hangers have been developed to accommodate a variety of different indicating means.
For example, in U.S. Pat. No. 4,137,661 to Johansson a carrier attached to the bottom of a hook of a garment hanger is disclosed. A label may be adhered to or inserted in the carrier portion.
U.S. Pat. No. 3,024,953 to O'Keefe discloses a rectangular plastic guard which is adapted to be secured to the wire hook of a clothes hanger, and which extends upwardly therefrom to assist in preventing the clothes hangers from becoming entangled with one another.
U.S. Pat. No. 1,099,261 to Lewyt discloses a clothes hanger particularly adapted for hanging sets of furs, with a metal rectangular plate 10 which receives an index card describing the furs suspended therefrom and is positioned substantially between the hook and body portion of the hanger.
U.S. Pat. No. 4,115,940 to Phillips discloses an indicia-bearing tab which attaches to a member located substantially at the junction of both the hook and the body member.
U.S. Pat. No. Des. 302,214 to Wilson includes two embodiments directed to ornamental designs for garment hangers which include a designated member for attaching an indicating means.
U.S. Pat. No. Des. 244,197 to Ostroll discloses an ornamental design for a size indicator that is intended for attachment to a garment hanger.
The provision of a readily visible size indicator on a garment hanger is now accepted by retailers as a desirable addition to a garment hanger. The most widely accepted indicators have been manufactured by the applicant under Australian Patent No. 509042 (AU-B-42320/78 which corresponds to U.S. Pat. No. 4,322,902 to Lenthall) and Australian Patent No. 522614 (AU-B-55988/80). While the indicator disclosed in Australian Patent No. 509042 in particular has been well received by retailers in Australia, the desire of some retailers to reduce to a minimum the costs of hangers and indicators has meant that other manufacturers have developed less aesthetically pleasing alternatives to the indicator of the Australian Patent. In addition, differences in attitude have indicated that the "cap" indicator of Australian Patent No. 509042 may be regarded by some as being too bulky and dominant in the overall view of the hanger and the garments supported thereon.
The automated manufacture of hangers with indicators is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806 assigned to the assignee of this invention, and the specification thereof is hereby incorporated herein by reference thereto. U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806 describes a low-profile molded plastics indicator for garment hangers which requires modification to the hook of the hanger to enable the indicator to be securely attached to the top of the hook where it is most visible. The improvements described in the above patent overcame the major disadvantages of indicators of the type described in our U.S. Pat. No. 4,322,902. The indicator according to U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806 is also designed to enable sorting into a predetermined orientation to enable automated handling and fitting of the indicators. For these reasons, the indicator has enjoyed considerable commercial success.
Other indicators for hangers and hanger hooks for receiving indicators on disclosed are disclosed in U.S. Pat. No. 4,045,899 and German Offenlegangsschrift DE 3901086.
It is therefore an object of the present invention to provide an improved hanger hook for receiving the indicator described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806.
The invention therefore provides an improved hook design for receiving an indicator suitable for attachment to the hook of a molded plastic garment hanger, wherein the indicator comprises a body adapted to display indicia, and comprising side walls, end walls and a top wall dimensioned to form a body having a low generally rectangular profile and defining a downwardly opening cavity shaped and dimensioned to receive a narrow upwardly projecting web formed on a hook of a molded plastic garment hanger, said body having regions between at least said side walls and said top wall which are smoothly rounded while the lowermost edges of at least said side walls are substantially non-rounded to define relatively sharp edges at said lowermost edges, said end walls being spaced to engage in use spaced points on said web such that said indicator is in use stably supported on said web, said smoothly rounded portions and said sharp edges facilitating sorting of said indicators into a preferred orientation.
In a preferred form, the cavity is formed with a centrally positioned means dimensioned and positioned to receive an abutment means formed on the upwardly projecting web of the hook of the hanger. In one form, at least one side of the body of the indicator defining the cavity is formed with an opening adapted to receive said abutment. In a particularly preferred form, each side of the body has an opening adapted to receive an abutment formed on either side of the web of the hanger hook.
The invention also provides in combination, an indicator suitable for attachment to the hook of a molded plastic garment hanger, said indicator comprising a body adapted to display indicia and comprising side walls, end walls and a top wall dimensioned to form a body having a low generally rectangular profile and defining a downwardly opening cavity shaped and dimensioned to receive a narrow upwardly projecting web formed on a hook of a molded plastic garment hanger, said body having regions between at least said side walls and said top wall which are smoothly rounded while the lowermost edges of at least said side walls are substantially non-rounded to define relatively sharp edges at said lowermost edges, said end walls being spaced to engage in use spaced points on said web such that said indicator is in use stably supported on said web, said smoothly rounded portions and said sharp edges facilitating sorting of said indicators into a preferred orientation.
Another object of the present invention is to provide a garment hanger having a means capable of receiving and engaging a corresponding engagement point on an indicator. More particularly, the present invention also includes a garment hanger having an indexing cap for identifying at least one characteristic of the garment hanging therefrom wherein the garment hanger includes a hook adapted to engage a rod or other supporting means, and an upstanding flange extending from the hook for receiving one indexing cap, said flange extending and projecting above the top contour of the hook. The hanger of the present invention also includes a snap-fit engagement means defined by the upstanding flange, and a generally planar and stackable indexing cap having a recess formed therein for receiving the flange of the hanger therewithin. The indexing cap also defines a through opening which facilitates stacking the indexing cap in a bundle of stacked caps during transport, and which receives the snap fit engagement means when the indexing cap is attached to the hanger.
In still another embodiment the upstanding flange is shaped and dimensioned to correspond substantially to the recess formed in the indexing cap. The upstanding flange defines a window opening and further includes a descending tongue capable of engaging an aperture formed in an indicator cap. The engagement means and upstanding flange of this embodiment are particularly adapted to prevent unintentional removal of the indicator cap from the hanger yet facilitate intentional removal of the indicator cap from hanger when the hanger is recycled or used with a garment of a different size.
The hanger hook of the present invention is adapted to engage a rail or other supporting means to suspend the hanger and garment therefrom. The hook has an upstanding web which extends upwardly from the hook above the top contour of the hook which engages the rail or other supporting means.
The web includes means to position and releasably secure the indicator to the hook to prevent the inadvertent release of the indicator in normal use. The releasable securing means permits the removal of the indicator for recycling of the hanger body and reuse with a new and appropriately coded indicator.
The invention also provides the combination of a hanger having a hook with a narrow upwardly projecting web and an indicator as defined above engaging said web.
It is an object of the present invention to provide an improved indicator attachment mechanism which securely fastens an indicator to a hanger but which allows removal of the indicator in a simple operation which reduces the likelihood of damage to the indicator or to the hanger.
The invention therefore also provides a molded plastics hanger hook having an improved indicator attachment device, said hanger having a hook formed with an upstanding web shaped to be received within a downwardly opening cavity of a molded plastics indicator, said indicator having side walls formed with at least one opening adapted to receive attachment means for retaining the indicator on said web of said hook, said attachment means comprising a resilient detent means formed in said upstanding web and having a laterally projecting portion positioned to engage said side wall opening to prevent removal of said indicator from said hook, said resilient detent means enabling said laterally projecting portion to be disengaged from said opening to facilitate removal of said indicator from said hook without damage to said indicator or to said hook.
In use, the laterally projecting portion is disengaged from the side wall opening by inserting a probe through the side wall opening to displace the projecting portion from the opening to thereby release the indicator from the hook.
The detent means preferably comprises a downwardly depending leg integrally molded within a molded opening in said web and resiliently connected to said web to enable deflection of said laterally projecting portion into the plane of the web to facilitate removal of the indicator from the web.
In order that the invention may be more readily understood, embodiments of the invention will now be described with reference to the accompanying drawings.
The foregoing and other objects of the invention may now be more readily ascertained from the following detailed description of preferred embodiments thereof, taken in conjunction with the accompanying drawings; in which:
FIG. 1 is a perspective view of an indicator embodying the invention;
FIG. 2 is a perspective view of the indicator of FIG. 1 fitted to the hook of a hanger;
FIG. 3 is a sectional end elevation view of the indicator taken along line 3--3 in FIG. 2 and a first embodiment of the hook as illustrated in FIG. 2 but with the hook removed from the indicator;
FIG. 4 is an enlarged transverse sectional view FIG. 2 taken along line 4-4';
FIG. 5 is a plan view of one side of a bra and panty garment hanger having an index coded cap relating to an attribute of a bra to be suspended therefrom;
FIG. 6 is an exploded view of the opposite side of the bra and panty hanger illustrated in FIG. 5 with the index coded cap separated from the hanger and displaying an attribute of a panty to be suspended therefrom;
FIG. 7 illustrates a cross-section of the index coded cap taken along line 7--7 of FIG. 6;
FIG. 8 represents a corresponding cross-section of a second embodiment of the hanger taken along section line 7--7 of FIG. 6;
FIG. 9 illustrates an end view of the indexing cap seated on the hanger hook as illustrated in FIG. 5;
FIG. 10 illustrates a top view of the indexing cap and hook illustrated in FIG. 5;
FIG. 11 a front elevation view of the hook of a hanger incorporating a third embodiment of the improved indicator attachment mechanism of the invention;
FIG. 12 illustrates an enlarged view of a cross section taken along line 12--12 in FIG. 11;
FIG. 13 illustrates a front elevation view of the hanger hook depicted in FIG. 11 with an indicator cap seated thereon;
FIG. 14 is an enlarged view of a section taken along the line 14-14' in FIG. 13; and
FIG. 15 illustrates a front elevation view of a fourth embodiment of the hanger hook of the present invention;
FIG. 16 illustrates a front elevation view of a fifth embodiment of the hanger hook of the present invention.
Referring to the drawings, and particularly FIGS. 1-4, the indicator embodying the invention will be seen to comprise a body 11 molded from suitable plastic material having spaced flat sides 12 and 13 defining therebetween a cavity 14 dimensioned to receive a top web 30 of the hook 31 of a garment hanger, as shown in FIGS. 3 and 4 of the drawings. The sides 12 and 13 are formed with generally rectangular slots 15 and 16 centrally located adjacent the lower edges of the sides 12 and 13, and which are dimensioned and positioned to receive abutments 20a, 20b formed on either side of the web 30 of the hook 31 of the hanger to lock the indicator in position on the hook 31. The entry of abutments 20a, 20b into slots 15 and 16 is achieved by the resilience of the plastic molding forming the body 1.
Each side 12 and 13 of the indicator 11 is formed with indicia 17, in the present embodiment, a sizing number such as 12. In the present case, the indicia 17 is formed by molded depressions in the sides 12 and 13, although the indicia may equally well be formed by molded raised portions or by adhesive label applied to the sides 12 and 13. If desired, styling grooves such as 18 may also be formed in or on the surface of the sides 12 and 13.
It will be appreciated from FIGS. 2 and 4 of the drawings that the width of the indicator body 11 is approximately the same as the width of the hook 31 of the hanger, and the indicator has a relatively low narrow rectangular profile. Of course, shapes other than rectangular may be adopted, but it is considered desirable that the width of the indicator should not materially exceed the width of the hook of the hanger so that the indicator is not obtrusive in use.
The indicator body is also formed with smoothly rounded edges, particularly at the upper most edges of the body, as shown in FIGS. 2 and 3. This feature allows the indicators to be sorted with the cavity directed downwardly by running the indicators along a narrow edge in the sorting machine (not shown) whereby the engagement between the rounded edges and the narrow edge cause an indicator engaging the edge in this manner to topple over so that its cavity is directed downwardly.
The web 30 formed on the hook of the hanger 31 is shaped to provide engagement points between the ends 9 and 10 of the opening to the cavity 14 and the top 19 of the cavity 4 when the indicator is fitted to the web 30 to limit movement of the indicator on the hook 31. By the same token, the shape of the web 30 is not significantly different from a "normal" shape of hook 31 so the hanger can be used with or without the indicator.
While the web shape shown in FIG. 4 is preferred, for stability, a more standard web shape will provide acceptable results since the ends 9 and 10 of the opening to the cavity 14 of the indicator will still wedgingly engage the spaced edge portions of the web 30 to limit the amount of movement of the indicator even though the top of the web 30 does not contact the top 19 of the cavity 14.
Of course, the web may be molded with an upwardly projecting generally rectangular portion (not shown) which substantially fills the cavity 14 to inhibit any significant movement of the indicator on the web 30 of the hook 31. Such an arrangement has the advantage of providing a rectangular surface on the hook for labels when the indicator is not used.
Alternatively, the cavity 4 may be shaped to correspond to the exact shape of the web 30, although the net benefit of such an arrangement would not appear to outweigh the extra amount of plastic required for such a molding.
It will be appreciated from the above description that an indicator installed on a hook embodying the invention provides an aesthetically acceptable indicator with only a minimal modification being required to the shape of the hook of the hanger to which the indicator is to be applied. The indicator presents a narrow profile which does not excessively modify the shape of the uppermost end of the hook of the hanger, while the hook itself may be used without the indicator since it is not significantly different in shape to other hooks.
FIGS. 5-10 illustrate a second embodiment of the garment hanger and the indicator of the present invention. While the invention will be described and illustrated with respect to the hook of a single bra and panty hanger, it is understood that the invention is equally applicable to other types of garment hangers.
As illustrated in FIGS. 5 and 6, the garment hanger is a bra and panty hanger 40 having bra hanger strap clips 32a, 32b and panty hanger clips 33a, 33b arranged at either end of central support 34. The hanger presents a first side in FIG. 5 and the opposite side in FIG. 6 with the indicator 11 positioned for attachment in FIG. 6.
Hanger 40 also includes a hook member 31 having an upstanding flange 30 (illustrated in FIG. 6) for receiving one of a plurality of different indicators, one of which is illustrated at 11 in FIGS. 5-10. The flange 30 projects above the top contour of hook 31. A snap fit engagement means abutment 20 is defined on either side of the upstanding flange 30 as illustrated in FIGS. 6 and 8. The index coded indicator 11 is generally planar and stackable and has a recess 14 formed therein (illustrated in FIG. 7) for receiving the upstanding flange 30 therewithin. The indicator 11 defines a pair of apertures 15, 16 which define through opening 22 (illustrated in FIGS. 5-7) which receives the snap fit engagement means 20 when the indicator is fitted to the upstanding flange. This through opening may also be used to form a bundle of indicators or "stacked caps". The hook member further defines a horizontal flange 21 which cooperates with the snap fit engagement means 20a, 20b to engage the indicator in a wedging manner. The snap fit abutments 20a, 20b may also cooperate with the arcuate edges 9a, 10a of flange 30 to wedgingly engage the indicator 11 as previously described with respect to FIG. 9. Edges 9a and 10b extend upwardly and inwardly in an angular fashion (as illustrated in FIG. 8) to assist in centering the cap for engagement of the snap fit engagement means 15, 16 and 20a, 20b. Hook member 31 also includes an inner flange 23 which extends from the tip 31a of the hook to the intermediate frame member 34 to strengthen the hook and to provide a larger load bearing surface when the hanger engages a rod or other supporting means during use. Hook member 31 also includes a second reinforcing rib 24 which extends upwardly from control support member 34 to strengthen the hook and to resist twisting or flexure of the hook 31 when the garment hanger is in use. Central support member 34 includes upper and lower flanges 24, 25 and a center medial flange 26 which serve to stiffen the hanger.
By choosing a relatively resilient plastic material for the hanger 40, and a relatively stiff plastic material for the indicator 11, the snap fit engagement can be made relatively permanent, since once the indicator is secured by snap fit engagement barbs 20a, 20b, it is necessary to bend or flex the side walls 12, 13 beyond barbs 20a, 20b before the indicator can be removed. The stiffness of the plastic material used to form the indicator thereby determines the degree of difficulty one encounters in removing it. Further, the fit and cooperation of the flat edge 11a of the indicator and the horizontal flange 21 make it difficult to insert a screw driver, or other means, with which to pry the side walls apart for removal of the indicator.
As illustrated in FIGS. 5-10, the indicator includes several indexing features. The cap is color coded to denote a specific attribute of the garment suspended from the hanger. In addition, the indicator 11 carries on one side the legend 44 DD as illustrated on flat surface 26 to denote a bra size suspended from the hanger. On the opposite side of the cap, as illustrated at flat surface 27 in FIG. 6, a panty size "6" is indicated for a hypothetical bra and panty set. In this instance, the color coding can relate to a certain grade and quality of garment, a certain style of garment, or to visually reinforce one of the printed indicia such as cup size or panty size. This color attribute assists the purchaser in selecting the appropriate garment for his or her intended use.
The indicator 11 is planar, having first and second planar sides 12, 13 which facilitate stacking of the indicators for shipment as a bundle of "stacked caps". The bottom portion of the indicator 11a defines a flat edge, while the top edge 11b of the indicator may be rounded. The flat configuration 11a and rounded configuration 11b assist the sorting and stacking mechanism in a machine (not shown) which automatically aligns and stacks the indicators in a predetermined manner, as more fully described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,272,806, assigned the assignee of this application, the disclosure of which is hereby incorporated herewith by reference thereto.
As illustrated in FIG. 10, the top of the indicator 11b is unadorned in the preferred embodiment and as illustrated in FIG. 10, may be somewhat wider than the internal flange 23. It should be noted that as illustrated in FIG. 10, flanges 30 is not visible, and that horizontal flange 21 is substantially the same length as the indexing cap 11, and therefore not visible in FIG. 10.
The garment hanger illustrated in FIGS. 5 and 6 also includes a center strengthening rib 26. The use of ribs 24-26 allow the central web of the hanger to be reduced in thickness and weight, thereby reducing the material cost for the hanger and the shipping cost during transit from the various remote manufacturing facilities to the United States.
A third embodiment of the hanger of the present invention is depicted in FIGS. 11-16, which includes a hook 31, adapted to engage a rod or other supporting means, with an upwardly projecting web 31 extending upwardly above the top contour 31a of hook 31 that engages a rod or other supporting device. An aperture 35 is defined in said upwardly projecting web such that upwardly projecting web 30 completely surrounds aperture 35. Tongue 36 descends from an upper portion 38 of the upwardly projecting web into the aperture 35.
Referring to FIGS. 11 and 12 of the drawings, a modified embodiment of the hook 31 of a molded plastics garment hanger is shown in simplified form and will in practice normally include the usual strengthening ribs 23a, 23b around the perimeter of the hook. The hook 31 is formed with a flattened top region on rib 21 slightly larger in peripheral dimensions than the lowermost portion of an indicator 11 having side walls 12, 13 formed with retention openings 15, 16, as described in our Australian Pat. No. 638436 and corresponding U.S. Pat. No. 5,388,354, the contents of which are incorporated into this specification by cross-reference thereto. An upstanding narrow web 30 extends centrally from the flattened top region 21 of the hook 11, and in this embodiment the web is shaped similarly to the shape of the cavity of the indicator 11 so as to comfortably fit within that cavity. Alternatively, the web 30 may be configured in the manner shown in Australian Patent No. 638436.
The web 30 is formed with integrally molded indicator attachment means 36. In the present embodiment, the attachment means includes central opening 3 defined in the upper portion of flange 30 with a resilient detent tongue 36 which extends downwardly terminating in a laterally extending portion 37 configured to engage one of the openings 15, 16 in the side walls 12, 13 of the indicator 11, as shown in FIG. 14 of the drawings. Since the detent leg 37 is narrow and is resiliently connected to the web 31, it is easily able to be laterally deflected by means of a probe inserted in the opening 16 and engaging the portion 37 to displace the portion 37 towards the plane of the web 31 to clear the opening 16 and allow the indicator 11 to be removed from the web 31. This operation can be achieved simply and quickly with little or no damage to the indicator 11 or to the attachment means 36. Nevertheless, while the laterally extending portion 37 remains in the position shown in FIG. 14 of the drawings, the indicator 11 will remain securely fastened to the web 31 and will withstand all usual handling operations to which the hanger is usually subjected in day-to-day use.
Referring now to FIGS. 15 to 16 of the drawings, a modified embodiment of the invention is shown in which the same reference numerals are used to indicate similar parts. In this embodiment, the resilient detent leg 36 also extends angularly from its point of attachment to the web 30, as shown most clearly in FIGS. 15 and 16 of the drawings, and has a shorter laterally extending portion 37 formed at its free end. The upstanding web 30 of the hook 31 is further formed with a pair of ribs 38 on either side of the central semi-circular opening 35 to prevent the indicator 11 (not shown in FIG. 15) being inadvertently laterally displaced to clear the laterally extending portion 37 which engages the opening 16 in a manner similar to that shown in FIG. 14 of the drawings. FIG. 16 illustrates the hook 31 of the present invention in which rib 21 is integrally formed as part of the strengthening flange 23, which as illustrated in FIG. 16, extends around the perimeter of hook 31. The indicator 11 for the hook illustrated in FIG. 16 may also be formed with angled or sloping end walls to conform to the angularity of the hook design.
The indicator attachment mechanisms described in the above embodiments provide a particularly simple and convenient means of retaining the indicator 11 on the web 30 of the hook 31 while enabling the indicator 11 to be conveniently removed in a simple operation which does not significantly damage either the indicator 11 or the hook 31 of the hanger. In this way, the disadvantages associated with the attachment mechanism described in our Australian Patent No. 638436 are overcome in a simple but innovative manner.
In the preferred embodiment, the improved hanger hook of the present invention is formed of styrene which provides a clear, virtually transparent hanger for maximum display of garments suspended therefrom. Alternately, the hanger could be formed from K resin, H.I. styrene and polypropylene or other suitable thermoplastics.
While there have been shown and described what are considered to be the several preferred embodiments of the invention, it will, of course, be understood that various modifications and changes in form or detail can readily be made without departing from the spirit of the invention. It is therefore intended that the invention not be limited to the exact form and detail herein shown and described nor to anything less than the whole of the invention herein disclosed as hereinafter claimed.
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