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According to the Gospel of Biff, Jesus' childhood pal, "Blessed are the dumbfucks." Surely 61 North Carolinian legislators were blessed yesterday.
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According to the Gospel of Biff, Jesus' childhood pal, "Blessed are the dumbfucks." Surely 61 North Carolinian legislators were blessed yesterday.
If the question comes down to whether marriage is not just a social institution, but the basis for the continuation of the human race - then homosexuality is an aberration, and would have no positive impact in the concept of mankinds survival. Without social morays defining what is acceptable it would have had little impact on human kinds existence. If your view is one that sex is either a form of social recreation or a part of emotional attachment then your view to insure a social environment,that is kinder and gentler is one that is based on this great social experiment referred to as the human experience. Frankly I could care less what your sexual orientation is, and as with your religious and spiritual inclinations would prefer you maintain a modicum of personal privacy and humility whether you be heterosexual, bi-sexual or homosexual.
Not interested in hearing about sex & marriage from an era where the people had to be instructed not to penetrate sheep.
More fundamentally, why should the dictates of Leviticus, established for the better deportment of Jews, have any implications for the behaviour of the rest of us?
True enough -- Jesus wasn't much for Jewish tradition.
If you can vote your conscience, why is it unreasonable for me to vote mine? This is a democracy, right?
Voting your conscience is different than stating that your viewpoint is unarguable fact because it is written in the Bible.
I disagree, OneA. Everyone gets to vote their conscience and everyone should stand up and handle any criticism that results without whining. Or not, as their conscience dictates.
What does my belief in the bible have to do with your vote? I feel like I've just been violated.
"Sex with a sheep" you say. Who knew the Old Testament had condemned the Aberdonians to the fiery furnace back then?! :o
What is it about gay marraige that bothers the religious fraternity so much? why don't they ever condemn the god of the Old Testament for mass murdering whole swathes of IS-RA-EL's enemies?
Meh, with Judgment Day around the corner, such things won't even rate as a warmup.
Rivers of blood, dead littering the ground like leaves and all that. Billions dead. The faithful quiver in anticipation for their escalator to Heaven.
Blood and souls for Arioch, blood and souls for Arioch.
Here's hoping.
This is my least favorite approach to this issue. There's no need to get into the validity of people's beliefs or the sincerity. It's easy to say and to prove that there is no consensus against gay marriage and that there is no threat to the state or the people from it. Gays should be free to marry and the subset of Christians who think homosexuality is especially offensive to God should be free to follow their faith as they understand it even up to the point of voting for bad laws that shouldn't be on the books.
Of course, we all need mockery more than jobs.
Amendment One was brought up and voted for solely from a religious perspective. So, my question is: If we as a society are going to start using the bible a reference guide with regards to our government, and we're are all OK using God's word to amend our constitutions, then I assume everyone is OK with us, as a group, adding amendments to the bible. It's got to be a 2 way street - the majority has the right to change things as they see fit.
61 per cent bigots & idiots who do not read their bibles but fondle them & vote as their criminal traitor theocrat preachers tell them to vote, so now single moms & children are also on the chopping block of equal rights under the law DENIED TO THEM .... marriage equality is for all couples or NONE ... enshrining hate alleged deity dictates & anti-science hate into a Carolina Constitution happened in 2006 here & yesterday north of me ... I will fight to pass E.R.A. & repeal this cruel stupid violation of basic humanity by delusional voters www.hireLarryFireBobby.com 843-926-1750 @VoteLarryDis114
Actually, Leviticus is only clear if you accept the context you've been taught. Remember, words only take meaning in context. You, like nearly everyone else, grabs the one sentence and recites it. Those words occur in a list of 3 "abominations". The other 2 are accepted to refer to Canaanite ritual practices. Those are burning your children as a sacrifice and sex with animals. If the old writers were better at clarity, they would have said this:
"The following Canaanite rituals are hideous things and you can't do them:
1. Don't sacrifice children to God.
2. Don't have homosexual sex as an act of worship to God.
3. Don't have sex with animals as an act of worship to God."
I know you mean well, MS, but you're reciting stuff that takes for granted a context. It's difficult to get beyond that context because of the subject matter. Imagine we were living in those times. Ritual sex with animals was done by many peoples. As for child sacrifice, we know it happened even in Carthage because we've dug up the bones of young. We also know the Aztecs did ritual sacrifice of children and teens in huge numbers. Hard to imagine, but it's real. So why exactly do we rip this one line out of context and then drag it into our world?
And such is the probem of treating the words of an ancient book, re-translated and interpreted multiple times, literally.
And such is the problem of treating an ancient text that has translation piled upon translation, literally.
Agreed. It is high time to stop talking about "the Bible" as if it were one definitive book. It is actually many many versions in many different languages. Very few have been translated from original texts, most have been translations from translations with classic "broken telephone" results with dishonesty by churches changing text thrown in.
There are so many differences, discrepancies and contradictions between versions, (and within different parts of single versions) that to claim that Biblical texts are reliably the word of God, even if you accept He exists, is, to put it mildly, intellectually dishonest!
Anyone who chooses to believe, however, that is their right, but there is no way that anyone in a democratic society should have the right to impose their personal beliefs or values on another.
A sad, sad day for North Carolina, a sad day for the U.S. and a sad day for democracy, but a celebration for hypocrisy!
Ah the cream always rises to the top! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I was wondering what the best way to address this issue of translation and context would be.
But we do it all the time, don't we? Why can't women make a fortune selling their bodies if they so choose? Why can't I marry my horse, or my toaster? If I catch someone raping a 2 year old boy or an 80 year old grandma why can't I take the law into my own hands? Wouldn't society be better off without that individual and save millions of dollars in the process? We have a moral code for a reason. There is no such thing as the "Good old days" but when we had a collective moral code we surely performed better as a society. (And please don't insult me by pulling out the civil rights movement of the 60's. I am an AA Male and I have heard all the crazy goofy reasons why I of all people should be ashamed of myself, only to see their faces crack when I tell them MLK was a Republican just like me.) Here's my question to you, isn't this whole issue about a small group of individuals trying to impose their own personal choices and beliefs on the greater society? You poll the majority of Americans and the response is overwhelmingly we don't care who you sleep with. Have fun ya crazy kids, don't do anything I wouldn't do. Now ask those same individuals if they want alternative lifestyles taught to their children, codified in the law and showing up in Saturday morning cartoons and the response is just as overwhelming. Heck no! I don't trust for one minute the new slight majority in polling numbers recently released showing a dramatic change in attitudes towards the issue. What we are most likely seeing is the American fear of being labeled a bigot and paying lip service to the cause in order to be viewed as more progressive, but trust me neither they nor their kids will be marching in a Pride parade anytime soon.
We take these lines and drag them into our world because they are still applicable. Don't practice child sacrifice, don't have sex with animals or members of the same sex. Still good rules of thumb.
Surely you can't be that obtuse?
For a start, the article and discussion are more about the appropriateness of using "the Bible" to justify limiting others freedoms. Homosexuality & gay marriage was used as the example, but the issue here is not homosexuality.
Since you raise the question thoguh, there is a substantial and and rather clear difference between two consenting adults choosing to formalize their relationship, and legal aspects of it, and marrying an animal who cannot consent. If your horse can talk and demonstrates a capacity to understand the implications of the decision, bring it up again.
What is the difference? Very simple. One is victimless, the other has a clear or potential victim.
You might have more of a case for prostitution, if you can imagine a way of ensuring that the women involved are really there of their own free choice, have not been sold into it, coerced or otherwise abused, and that it does not present a danger to society through the increased spread of STD's, including to third parties.
Don't pull out the civil rights movement? Why not? The people on the other side of the fence on that issue were very much like you. They also had a strong personal opinion that, facts and evidence aside, they wanted laws to enforce.
Had you conducted a poll in most southern states in the 60s, do you not feel the majority would have been in favor of continuing segregation? Would the majority not have objected strenuously to their children being taught that people are equal and skin color unimportant? Would that have been sufficient reason to not reform to "end" discrimination?
You can't have it both ways, remember...
Of course, your position is even weaker. In your case, the majority, polls/studies suggest, understands that protection of the rights of the minority from tyranny of opinion of the majority is basic element of democracy, even if you choose to disbelieve any facts that aren't convenient...
And how exactly is anything being forced on you if two people, who you almost certainly don't even know, want to formalize teir relationship? How is anything being forced on you if the educational system teaches the truth?
The job of the educational system, as I see it, is to prepare our youth for tomorrow by teaching them the skills they need and the best facts we can, including all sides of an issue when the truth is not clear.
On the issue of homosexuality, as I understand it, there is consensus between the overwhelming majority of competent professionals that homosexuality is normal, occurring regularly is a percentage of cases. You may not like it, you may choose, with or without any basis, to disregard it, but you do not have a right to try to deny our youth the best, and most truthful, education we can offer!
isn't this whole issue about a small group of individuals trying to impose their own personal choices and beliefs on the greater society?
No, this is an issue about making society fairer for everyone. We should have principles that guide our society. Some of our principles are that there should be equality under the law, there should not be second class citizens (not getting this is why you should be more ashamed than your non-black countrymen.) and that church and state should be separate.
There is no principle in US civic life that says that marriage should be one thing or another.
This is an issue for all people who care about justice and having a fair society. Finally, blacks make up about 15% of the population, not far ahead of gays 5-10%, so it is in the interest of groups that can't command a majority to stick up for the principles of equality under the law, otherwise they might not get the benefits of that principle.
MLK was not a Republican. He wasn't a Democrat or member of any political party for that matter. That lie never ceases to annoy me.
While im of the opinion that the state really shouldnt be in the business of deciding who should get married it brings up an oportunity to discuss another marital validity conundrum. It seems that it is "progressive" to talk about the oppression faced by homosexuals, but what about the unfortunate legal situation facing America's polygamists. The engines of state oppression have been used against them for far longer than the "gay rights" issue has been around. Utah was prevented from gaining statehood and a religious minority's rights were trampled due to "monogomist bigotry". If it is wrong to define who can marry based on gender, why is it right to define it based on number?
Agreed, which makes me more libertarian than libertarians.
Banning polygamy is an even better example of the state acting against the prohibition of separating church and state. Here there was no redefinition of marriage, polygamy may even predate two person marriage. It is not condemned in the bible. But the zealots of the time wanted to take away the freedom of their fellow americans because they did not agree with their religion. A perfect example of what the state should not do.
Firstly as a Christian I'd like to distance myself from any notion of Christianity being 'anti-gay'. Christianity is not anti-gay, indeed it is not 'anti' anyone as we are called to love all people without exception. (http://bible.cc/john/13-34.htm) In reference to the bible advocating the death penalty for various actions, Jesus says "All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!" (http://bible.cc/john/8-7.htm). Again a clear commandment not to judge others.
Secondly @qXHveEmauT and those who would quote the bible repeatedly out of context, here is the next verse of the passage from Corinthians: "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." Our sin separates us from God, but we only have to acknowledge it and ask forgiveness to be made whole again. We are saved by faith. Our works flow out of our faith as we become more like Christ, I am very wary of Christians who claim faith when their works suggest otherwise.
In regard to the latter part of the article, according to the bible sexual desire is described as a spiritual as well as a physical act between a man and woman. Let's not make a fetish out of one sin though, to struggle with lust for several women or materialism is equally problematic in a biblical sense.
Just for clarification on certain comments below the bible does not believe sex is 'bad' 'sinful' et al. Rather it regards it as pretty amazing, just in an appropriate context of commitment and yes hetrosexuality. Jesus remarks as mentioned are a good pointer for church goers obsessed with the idea that everyone should be married, but it should be noted that they don't condone homosexuality.
Nor does he condemn homosexuality.
Indeed, Jesus says that they (those "born eunouchos", the men who have no sexual desire for women) will get in to heaven.
Eunich means you don't have sex with anyone.
Celibacy in other words.
Wow! That interpretation was taken WAAAY out of context.
Considering that "eunouchos" were often thought of as sex objects for men, it certainly didn't mean that back then.
"Eunouchos" are castrated. Even if your assertion is correct that "eunouchos" refers to homosexuals (which I doubt based on the meaning of the word, and the function of "eunouchos"-castrated men to keep watch over the master's women) then you are inferring that Jesus thinks it is okay to use men as sex objects, men who can receive no pleasure in return, this is not the modern homosexual ideal. This sounds slavish to me. A more obvious interpretation is that Jesus literally meant, that some men are castrated, therefore cannot have sex, while some are "castrated" at birth, meaning that they happily choose celibacy for life. This is the common interpretation of thousands of years of celibate monks and nuns. To impose our modern sensibilities to an ancient text is poor hermeneutics. It is more likely that the interpreters who are closest in geography, language, culture, and time (i.e. the Bible interpreters of the first two centuries who lived in Palestine and spoke Greek) are also the most likely to accurately understand Jesus' intent.
""Eunouchos" are castrated."
Not necessarily. Yes, that is the modern use, but it was not the sole use in ancient times.
In truth, there really wasn't a clear cut idea of "homosexuality" back then to begin with, so the arguments either way are pushing modern sensibilities on ancient language.
The historian's fallacy, brilliant, you are the first to mention it. Much good may parsing logical fallacies do us when idiots can use this,
"Church and State are separated so the State can not control peoples' religion, not so there will be no moral influence on peoples' decisions regarding affairs of the State."
to justify the NC laws interfering in people's right to marry, or civilly unionize.
These people seem to have the mental capacity for logic of turnips.
You wrote: "In Corinthians, Paul makes it clear that homosexuals will have no place in the kingdom of heaven (nor will adulterers, people who have sex before they're married, slanderers or thieves)."
Can the term "utopia" be used in this context? Probably not.
Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia) is also the author of a FREE ON-LINE autobiography, entitled "Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality."
It is a testimony based on a diary kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).
I'm a devout Catholic, but am offering a somewhat contrarian view to the public position of my church. I believe that homosexual activity is wrong, as is sex outside of marriage, as is pornography, as is birth control, as is divorce in most cases. It is interesting that despite the huge fervor over gay "marriage" there isn't a lot of breast-beating going on over unmarried people living together, or premarital and extra-marital sex, much less divorce as a major social issue. We are all sinners as let those who are sinless cast the first stone.
Frankly, since it is already legal everywhere for homosexuals to have sex, live together, adopt children, name each other as heirs and perform virtually all activities traditionally performed by families, it's not clear to me that allowing them to get their relationsip certified by the state as "marriage" changes anything very much.
The Catholic position is that for a marriage to be valid it must (among other things):
1) be open to having children through natural means (implying a man and a woman)
2) occur through a sacramental transformation in the presence of God
3) be permanent and indissoluable
By this definition, most marriages that occur in the United States today are not "real" marriages anyway, and are closer in nature to what gay marriages would be than to what a true sacramental Christian marriage is.
So whether the government chooses to assign a label and grant certain rights to a particular form of relationship, even if unnatural from my perspective, is not a huge concern, unless they were to begin to force the church to sacramentalize and confirm from a religious perspective those unions which it cannot according to its principles affirm.
I think the biggest concern a lot of those who are vocally opposing "gay rights" today is that from an overall societal perspective, homosexual behavior will become fully destigmatized and that their children will be taught that such behavior is part of the norm. But hasn't the train already left that station?
"Your church" was today deliberating with the Portugese bourgeoisie, about which two religious public holidays were to be denied to the working class of that country... how more despicable can the Roman catholic church possibly get!!! Mind you, wasn't the pope in the Nazi youth? or the church remaining silent re attrocities during WW2 for fear of upsetting sensibilities...or was it the paeodophile priests...
Amen! I agree completely. The government position towards a "contract" between two consenting adults should not be such an issue. Personally, I believe "marriage" is a spiritual sacrament. The Bible is pretty clear about what a "marriage" is intended to be and my church only provides that sacrament for one man and one woman. My fear would be for this issue to become a slippery slope towards forcing my church to perform an act that is inherently prohibited in its doctrine (i.e., healthcare law forcing church bodies to pay for birth control and perform abortions).
One more thing. The writer says that nobody says they are "anti-gay" in polite company and that saying you are "pro-marriage" is just nonsense - implying that anyone who is "pro-marriage" is really "anti-gay". Garbage. No liberal activist says they are "anti-baby" or "pro-abortion". So, does that mean that being "pro-choice" is just nonsense and that those folks really just hate babies and love surgery? You can't have it both ways.
It's not my opposition to gay marriage that makes me defend my position so vigorous as much as it is people who call me a bigot. You disagree with me, fine. You call me a bigot, now we have a fight.
#2 is only required for sacramental marriage. The Church recognizes as valid non-sacramental marriages that satisfy 1 and 3. I do agree that many heterosexual marriages in the US today do not qualify.
I can think of a couple of ways in which allowing homosexuals to get their relationship certified by the state as a "marriage" would change things for them. One way would be the operation of the laws of descent and distribution. If your spouse dies without leaving a will, the statute on descent and distribution, at least in Illinois, says that the decedent's property passes to you, the surviving spouse. This is the legislature's way of protecting the investment that the surviving spouse has made to the joint enterprise, so to speak. Also, a surviving spouse (who is excluded from the deceased spouse's will) has the statutory right to renounce the will and receive half the estate. When Christian fundamentalists marshall their political might to deny these protections to the surviving member of a homosexual couple, I have a hard time believing their protestations that they are not anti-gay. Rather, I see them as champions of injustice.
So, what exactly are you saying? Because the train left the station (the harmful process of "destigmatization" has been started) combatting that process is now wrong?
If too many people enjoy heroin we should legalize it too?
It's a slippery slope.
Rom 1:18-32
I think the anti-gay = pro-marriage was a criticism of basing ones opinion on what the bible says, which is indeed anti-gay. One can think as some posters have said that marriage should only be available to breeders, while still not being anti-gay (a bizarre position IMHO). The thing is, we just don't see people like that. The people who are against gay marriage are almost 100% anti-gay. We see bigots who ignore almost all of the other restrictions their faith places on them and others and pick out the plums which justify their bigotry.
In the case of pro-choicers, they are indeed in favor of having a choice. Most point out that they are pro-baby but want to have that baby in ideal circumstances. So, I don't think it is inconsistent.
"It is already legal everywhere for homosexuals to have sex" -- for a limited definition of everywhere. It's legal in the USA and western Europe. It's illegal in many predominantly Muslim countries and much of Africa.
"If too many people enjoy heroin we should legalize it too?"
"It's a slippery slope."
You got this from Rom 1:18-32? You must be mistaken, my copies of the Bible [all 3] don't have these quotes. Were they penciled in by some creepy subversive?
Nah, it's just another case of believer in nonsense making up things out of thin air because there is no real support for the unsupportable positions.
Oh, wait, you're going to tell me it is a new and improved translation form the authentic Egypto-Mayan Heiroglyphs you found on a platinum tablet on your farm in Lower Slobovia, NC, which you can't produce for authentication because the Archangel Gobbledygook has taken it back to heaven. Right?
St. Paul not only begs the question, as the commentator says, but he plunges the reader into hopeless confusion. On the one hand, he declares that homosexuals shall not enter heaven. On the other hand, he tells us, "By faith are you saved, not by works, lest any man should boast." Well, refraining from sexual contact with someone of your own gender is a "work," and to get into heaven, St. Paul tells us, you have to perform that "work"---but "works" don't get you into heaven. Don't think too hard about this unless you have a bottle of Excedrin close by.
The NRSV translation is "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God"
A Protestant would say that good works flow naturally from true faith so that if you have faith, you won't be sodomizing.
A Catholic would say that both faith and works are required but you have have then solely by the grace of God.
Well he drank. A lot.
Must have been murder going into the boozer for a drink back then. "What are ye having Amos"?, "a glass o' wine please Ezekiel" :(
I would ask the Protestant, "Am I to think that all these gay ministers are frauds? They say they believe, but they're lying---they really don't believe?"
And I would ask the Catholic, "If God bestows faith and works, what's the difference between Catholicism and Calvinism? I'm no theologian, but I was under the impression that Calvinism was a branch of Protestantism."
Yeah, a little wine for the stomach.
Catholics also believe you have the choice whether or not to cooperate with the grace of God. IOW, you have to accept the free gifts of faith and works that get you into heaven. In practice, it isn't any different from saying that you need to have faith and do good works but it's a recognition that but for the grace of God go I.
But choosing to cooperate with the grace of God would be a "work"---which God bestows or doesn't bestow, depending on whether He feels like it. I give up. My head is spinning. Where that's Excedrin?
I just carry around a mustard seed on my keychain and hope for the best.
"Don't think too hard about this unless you have a bottle of Excedrin close by."
I think it is becoming crystal clear that the people we are trying to reason with, who can't follow rational propositions and who keep wobbling around in verbal circles are unable to reason because they have too many bottles [of moonshine] and too many reefers to hand.
I bet you if we criticize them for these indulgences they will smugly reply that neither OT nor NT forbids either by name.
You have a point. Reasoners tend to assume that reason is universally persuasive. Some people, though, are armor-plated against all assaults of reason, and reasoning with them is a fool's errand.
What really irritates me, as an educator, is that educational research shows that young children usually understand the concept of fairness and even demand it.
If you divide cookies and give one child an obviously unequal share, it will be noticed. The usual reactions are questioning, demand for fairness, resentment, etc.
If a 3 year old child can understand the concept of equal rights, what is wrong with these supposed adults?
I remember hearing, two or three years ago, about experiments suggesting that even dogs understand the concept of fairness or justice. As I recall, the experiments tended to show that dogs mope when they are treated arbitrarily instead of receiving their just deserts, and they mope when, for no apparent reason, they are treated less well than similarly situated dogs nearby. That news made quite an impression on me at the time. It suggested to me that, instead of being an artificial human construct, justice was something more fundamental, something prehuman: a sense of justice was inherent to a certain level of consciousness, whether in human or beast. Anyway, one could take your point further. Incomprehension of equal rights is evidence that the person has descended, in his or her capacities, not only below a three-year-old child, but below a dog.
I remember that, but can't cite. I have also seen the same kind of research on our relatives, other primates.
An odd thing seems to happen in our monkey family. Primates have developed deceitfulness, aggressiveness [as in warfare with primitive weapons], cupidity [selfishness] and other faults that purer animals seem to lack. Sorry, not being a biologist I didn't keep citations.
However, the Economist has had a number of articles relating to these issues over the past few years. I distinctly remember one on the biological basis of charity.
Lower than noble dogs, some members of the monkey tribe should be placed. Mankind however has the capacity to overcome the baser tendencies.
This is very good news IF ONLY for one reason: it gives pause for thought as to the apparently inexorable rise of homosexual rights and freedoms. As with many people, I believe there is nothing to hate in homosexuality but there is a lot to dislike in the way that lobbying and liberalism have forced this issue into the statute books all over the place.
I am also glad that our faux prime minister Cameron has been forced to back track on this matter.
I heard a male homosexual couple on the radio the other week: they called themselves dad and daddy. Their argument was that they were bringing up their seven children, all boys I think, in a normal environment so that they could lead a normal life. Both men were caricature gay boys and their delusions of normalcy are both risible and sad at the same time.
What terrible sounding people, these adopters of seven children! Risible and sad indeed that they would have the delusion that they could provide a good, stable home to children who needed one.
It is clear that these people want everyone to feel it is normal to be gay. A friend of mine was married twice and had a few children. She eventually realised she preferred women ... Set up home with a simialrly minded woman and had 11 children together by the time they combined their offspring, including at least two adopted children. One daughter killed herself. One son ran away and refused to see them ever again.
A small sample but alarm bells for me.
It's not a small sample, but an individual case. And you bringing it up speaks more about you and your preconcieved notions than it does about homosexual people's capacity for raising children.
Small sample, individual case, sample of one: call it what you like. I DO NOT disagree that I am discussing my preconceived notions of this situation. It is my firmly held opinion that a couple of homosexuals are not the right people to bring up children in the fully balanced way that they claim they can. It is my opinion. My friend's story is true. I said it rings alarm bells for me. If, however, this is unique then fine, my story becomes an unfortunate anecdote.
As far as I know, there is no publicly available research in this area but I would be happy to hear about it if it exists.
We all have preconceived notions, don't we? This is one of mine.
Thanks for your comment.
First a clarification some commenters have mentioned. The Bible, Old Testament and New, prohibit sodomy, not sexual orientation itself. You can be as flamboyantly gay as you want as long as you're celibate. They're in the same position as unmarried heterosexuals.
The body as a temple doesn't simply mean "eat healthy and work out." It starts with the dignity of the person and the sin of objectifying the body for carnal pleasure. It's why porn and prostitution are considered immoral. In the Catholic understanding, sex is procreative and unitive. The Church argues that sex closed off to its procreative ends can't be completely unitive and is therefore carnal objectification at least in part. That's why birth control is considered immoral. More unorthodox Catholics like Andrew Sullivan argue that sodomy within a loving relationship can be unitive apart from its procreative purpose and therefore morally permissible. He doesn't disagree with raising heterosexual relationships to the status of a sacrament because it is uniquely procreative though it would also exclude heterosexuals unable to have children.
Finally, "Because God says it's wrong" is the religious equivalent of the secular "Because it's wrong." Everyone appeals to an authority on normative values.
"First a clarification some commenters have mentioned. The Bible, Old Testament and New, prohibit sodomy"
No they didn't. "Arsenokite" referred generally to male prostitutes in temples, which was a common practice at the time, and "sodomite" itself is a modern invention that did not exist back then (the sin of Sodom was not of homosexuality to begin with).
Sodomy means anal sex. Arsenokoites is man-on-man sex. Distinction without much of a difference. The idea that it refers to the common practice of male prostitutes in temples sounds like something you just made up. You have a source? The sin of Sodom can be variously interpreted as gay sex, sex with angels, and sex with guests. From where do you receive this revelation that is it definitely not gay sex?
"Sodomy means anal sex."
Which is not proscribed in the bible, nor is "sodomy" itself anything more than a fairly recent addition placed within translations for political reasons.
"Arsenokoites is man-on-man sex."
No it isn't.
More Eunochs for the Kingdom of God.
How about a source/link for those of us seeking to learn more?
Here's one. It has some good sections on translation errors and biases, and has citations occasionally for further reading.
Though I have linked it before, I don't think it was for this article, hrm. There are other sites that discuss this. Some of them better than others-- on both sides I should note. So I don't know if you would consider this church's page a reliable source. But I find their reasoning sound.
"You can be as flamboyantly gay as you want as long as you're celibate."
Like pederast Catholic priests?
"Catholics like Andrew Sullivan argue that sodomy within a loving relationship can be unitive apart from its procreative purpose and therefore morally permissible."
Yes, like pederast Catholic priests.
"The body as a temple" of which equal in the eyes of the US Constitution's no establishment clause gods? Dionysus might be nice, Krishna would be fun and is still thriving.
"Everyone appeals to an authority on normative values."
However rational people prefer real authorities in the real world. I myself prefer the secularists who wrote our marvelous secular Constitution, and the document itself, of course. Not that there aren't flaws, but listing the flaws of the various Bibles will outnumber even a list of the flaws of all founding fathers together.
A better question would be, if the majority wishes to define marriage in their society in a certain way, by what right is this condemned?
The argument appears to be that doing so violates an individual right, and it is therefore proper that such action should be condemned and the right upheld by the courts.
But if that is so, one must explain what right is violated by such provisions. Is there a "right to marry"? I think not, since societies of all kinds prohibit certain kinds of marriage for all sorts of reasons, some of which are attached to dubious or undemonstrated social benefits and some just because that society has a high ick factor. Multiple marriage, cousin marriage, and so on are universally or widely prohibited, especially in the US, because these are deemed to be against social policy or just plain gross. Whatever else might be said of these rules, they demonstrate that there is no such thing as an absolute right to marry whoever you want.
If there is no such right, then what place have the courts in striking down marriage laws. And, to be more blunt, if the NC constitution says it is constitutional to pass such a law, as under this amendment it would, then what power should NC courts have, since that constitution is their authority? Federal courts would remain a viable arena, but then you have to ask where the US Constitution guarantees a right to marry, and how that meets the burden of the previous paragraph.
And to those who argue it is foolish to see marriage as having a timeless, absolute definition, since it is defined by society within history, well fair enough. I might note that no society on record has allowed men to "marry", even if it has allowed potential equivalents of civil unions. That is about as timeless and absolute as it gets, but let it stand. What is really interesting is this argument that marriage cannot simply be defined as timeless according to the Christian definntion because society has defined marriage, used as a weapon against people in this society who actually are using democratic means to have this society define marriage. In other words, if society gets to define marriage, then why is it illegitimate for NC society to do so now?
"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men ...
To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."
The US Supreme Court made this decision in 1967 - marriage is absolutely a fundamental civil right.
"A better question would be, if the majority wishes to define marriage in their society in a certain way, by what right is this condemned?"
Pardon me for breaking that old internet addage, but if the majority wants to define the right to live in a society in a certain way, by what right do you condemn Nazis?
The tyranny of the majority should not condemn the lives of the minority so unjustly.
Yes, but what is marriage?
Amendment #2 says your right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Now you demand to walk around with a thermo-nuclear weapon?
Obviously it is talking about the right to bear arms.
Sure, but despite that language they continued to allow that right to be limited by a whole range of social policy considerations, just as any right is and indeed more than most. So, again, they allowed for the definition of marriage to be defined first and foremost by the prevailing norms of society, and secondarily by law for the purposes of implementation. All manner of potential "marriages" remained invalid, including polygamy, which is barred for a combination of social policy and religious "ick factor" reasons, and cousin marriage, still illegal in many states for health policy and "ick" reasons", despite both being more common in the world and in history than same sex marriage, even by the loosest possible definition.
The court specifically addressed the issue of racial discrimination under law, in the context of the role that played in US history and society, and in awareness that, other than the "race"/color of the participants, such marriages are in every way identical with heterosexual marriages of the same race, and with the same statistical chances to reproduce the population of society I might add. For whatever else it is worth, that means an interracial marriage is indistinguishable from any other heterosexual marriage unless "race" is taken into account by law, which the court ruled it should not be.
This current issue represents a far more radical redefinition of marriage than that, whether by Christian standards or any other religious or secular standards practiced by any society of significant scale, ever.
That does not mean it should not or cannot happen. If the NC legislature voted it at some future date, then it should stand for NC law.
Or to boil it down, the court created a right to marry. When it used the word marry, it meant what everyone in their civilization had meant by marry for the preceding couple of thousand years, and even then left intact many restrictions less conceptually justifiable than a requirement for different-sex members. What we see now is an argument that there is an unlimited right to marry regardless, and a definition of marry that is being changed for the first time.
Let's see whether a cousin couple of Pakistani ancestry can challenge the requirements of Mass or some other state with the old Puritan cousin laws. By rights they should have a better case, yet I expect they would still be denied.
This isn't question begging.
Paul is saying that it is a brute fact that homosexuality is a form of sexual immorality (and wrong). He does not (seem!) to be trying to make an argument to support this point. He is just asserting it. He is not, for instance, saying anything like 'Homosexuality is a form of sexual immorality because sexual immorality includes homosexuality'. That would be begging the question.
But Paul is not saying that in the passages you quote. He is making a bare assertion. As you say before, 'begging the question' is a logical fallacy; it is a flaw in an argument. Paul is not making an argument here, he is asserting that it is a brute fact that homosexuality is a form of sexual immorality. He makes no argument to support the point.
We are allowed to posit brute facts. And doing so is certainly not question begging. It is a brute fact (so it seems) that the speed of light is 3*10^8 metres/second. Asserting this isn't 'begging the question'; it is not making an argument. It can be true or false, but it is not vulnerable to accusation of logical fallacy.
The same is true of Paul's point. Because he is not making an argument he cannot be falling into a fallacy. His assertion is simply true or false. In this case, it is false.
"Paul is saying that it is a brute fact that homosexuality is a form of sexual immorality"
Only according to modern mistranslations, not according to the original texts.
There are two issues here:
- Legal rights/responsibilities from a state recognized union
- Social definition of the institution of marriage
They are not the same thing.
Trying to use the legislative process to demand or force some form of social change is a non-starter.
I would prefer that folks concentrate on making the thing that the state can control, civil unions, exactly equivalent for any adults instead of trying to force people to change something that is apparently important to them - the definition of marriage.
I don't have to agree with the definition to respect that people have a different opinion and there are enough people who have this different opinion that marriage redefinition legislation has failed everywhere that it has been tried.
It is shameful that adult citizens are treated differently by the state in any way - and this includes trying to force social change requested/demanded by one group onto another.
Perfect analysis!
Distinct categories form the basis of discrimination. New Jersey, for instance, has marriages for heterosexual couples and civil unions for homosexual couples. In theory, they have identical rights. In practice, employers can and do use the distinction as a basis for discrimination in dispensing benefits.
You might try and solve that by saying the state should recognize all relationships as civil unions. To me this seems a bit of a bitter signal though: "Well if you won't marry on these terms then no one shall be married at all!"
"Trying to use the legislative process to demand or force some form of social change" is what happened with the Civil Rights movement. It's not perfect, but it can work. A representative government expresses the will of its citizens, and it's only natural that people should look to express evolving norms through that government.
The state forcing people to give up slavery [and at gunpoint], how unjust to steal their property.
The state forcing bigots to accept mixed marriage against ancient tradition and against their wish to continue treating people unequally, how barbaric.
The state forcing people to educate children and not make them work in sweatshops, and against long held beliefs, too.
It is shameful that the US government treats people so badly. FOX must be right about these Leftist, Nazi-Communist, Gay Muslims trying to ruin these United States.
Darn, where's my piece, can't find it, that reefer must have been too strong, what, oh, yeah. That proves it. The Bible says so. Period, end of con....Where was I? Social change sucks, so don't!
"One final question, though: why does the Bible think homosexuality is wrong?"
Because its authors were attempting to codify the norms of cultures that, like most cultures throughout human history, condemned homosexuality.
Great Pratchet reference!
That was my favorite part.
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i heard it was around 30 hours of gameplay.
Wow thats a lot. I never beat games for then 20 hours. I just give up at like the 20 hour mark(ME2, Oblivion, fallout)
i just beat it like a few hours ago, i played it for like 3-4 hrs yesterday, and all day today, so i'd say 15-16 hrs estimate total
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Probably jsut beat but ya thats a good length. Then I can go on and of to get 100%
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I like!
Marietta, GA - United States
Fantastic image with some really nice contrasting value!
Sunrise, FL - United States
Mike, Beautiful! Congrats on your sale!
Scottsdale, AZ - United States
I have loved shooting this Bridge in the past. Big Sur, one of the most amazing places to photograph and you nailed it with this shot! Congrats! V/F
Philadelphia, PA - United States
Congratulations on your sale!!!
Weymouth, NS - Canada
Beautiful picture! Congrats on your $ale! f/v
London - United Kingdom
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Holland, MI - United States
Beautiful image! Great work!
Anderson, CA - United States
One of my favorite spots; awesome work Mike - congratulations on this sale! jd
Morristown, Nj - United States
Congratulations on your sale!! Very nice!!
Christchurch, E9 - New Zealand
Mike Congrats on yuor sale!!
Renton, WA - United States
Great image Mike
Bay Area, CA - United States
Congratulations on your sale!!
Phoenixville, PA - United States
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Calgary, Al - Canada
Hi Mike...Congratulations on your image and your sale...Cheers Bob
St Albert, Al - Canada
Congratulations on your sale Mike.
Mosman, NS - Australia
What a wonderful shot, congrats/sale..........V
Austin, Mn - United States
Congrats I really feel like there is a depth in this work!
San Diego, CA - United States
Great shot, nice touch using black and white!
San Diego, CA - United States
Fantastic capture!
Cranbourne, Vi - Australia
Stunning! Awesome work Mike!
Menges - Slovenia
Beautiful! F/V
Phoenix, AZ - United States
Seabrook, SC - United States
Amazing image! Your tones are gorgeous! Voted!
West Decatur, Pa - United States
Awesome Capture!! Outstanding view!! It make you feel small in this world!!! Fabulous composition!! :^) Debi
Silute, Si - Lithuania
CA coast? Right. That's it... (had to come to the image page to see a description ans make sure my guess was correct, sales page doesn't show that info) I love your photo and can't find better compliments than all of above. Congrats on your sale!
Mahon - Spain
very good b&w. congrats!
Prairieville, LA - United States
Congratulations on your sale Mike
Plymouth Meeting , PA - United States
Congratulations on your sale Mike!!
Plymouth, MA - United States
Fantastic, Mike. Congratulations on your sale :)
Glenview, IL - United States
Wonderful image - congratulations!
London, Lo - United Kingdom
Awesome Mike, Congrats on your sale. Don.
Calgary, Al - Canada
Hi Mike...I like your image. Congratulations on your image and your sale...Cheers Bob
Plymouth, MA - United States
very nice, Mike. Congrats on your sale :)
Mahon - Spain
great b&w. congratulations
Hartselle, AL - United States
lovely, congratulations on your sale
Greensboro, NC - United States
Well done, congrats on your sale.
Meadows Of Dan, VA - United States
Intense! Wonderful shot! Congratulations!
Bethlehem, PA - United States
Love your bridge!
Arcadia, MO - United States
Very nice.
Anderson, CA - United States
I know this bridge well; marvelous capture - lovely in B&W - congratulations on the awesome sale! Joyce
Phoenix, AZ - United States
Great photo. Composition is outstanding!
Renfrew, PA - United States
Breathtaking photo. Beautiful! Congrats on the sale.
Karachi, si - Pakistan
great shot
Failford, NS - Australia
Love it black and white is great!!!!!
Victoria, BC - Canada
Fabulous shot....excellent perspective.
Glenview, IL - United States
Congratulations on your sale!
Rome, Ga - United States
Gorgeous B/W shot, Mike. Congrats on the sale!
Santa Clara, CA - United States
Beautiful! Congratulations on your sale, Mike!
Schuyler, VA - United States
I like the reversal of the curves with the bridge curving down and the mountains curving up.
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