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County to Give Money Requests From Private Groups More Scrutiny
Who to support and how much an ongoing issue
Published: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 at 6:26 p.m.
BARTOW | Any private group seeking money from the County Commission in next year's budget will face more scrutiny, commissioners agreed Tuesday.
The issue of what private groups to support and to what extent has been an ongoing issue during recent budget deliberations.
Commission Chairman Todd Dantzler called Tuesday's work session to ask his colleagues to outline the policy they want to follow now rather than waiting until this summer when the issue has been traditionally discussed.
County Manager Jim Freeman, who submits a budget to commissioners in July, said the problem with the summer discussion is that commissioners often wanted additional information at the last minute and it wasn't always available.
This early discussion will help to solve that problem, he said.
The consensus from the meeting was to direct Freeman and his staff to draft an application form that any group requesting money would have to fill out.
Once commissioners approve the form, it will be circulated to any groups that typically request funds and they will be required to submit it by a deadline to be determined later this year.
During Tuesday morning's discussion, commissioners agreed on the need to provide more accountability to how the funds were being distributed to guarantee there was a real public purpose and need for the expenditure.
"We need an itemized budget, we need to know what they have in their coffers and what their executive director makes," said Commissioner Melony Bell.
Commissioner Ed Smith, who in the past has criticized the idea of funding private groups in general, welcomed the increased scrutiny.
"There was a time when we were passing out money without any accountability,'' he said. "There are those who need and deserve the funds and those who don't."
Commissioner George Lindsey said in some cases commissioners might consider a different approach to funding organizations that supply specific public services by asking them to submit proposals to compete for the funds with other nonprofit organizations that supply the same service.
Commissioner John Hall said he'd like the criteria to include the organization's contribution to Polk's economic development or education.
But Dantzler said there are times when groups don't fit into that category.
"What about if sometimes it's just the right thing to do?" he asked.
Hall said he was hesitant to take money from taxpayers who are struggling to give to groups that would not benefit them.
Lindsey said the basic question remains whether there's a public purpose for spending the money.
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Pruning an overgrown Brugmansia
My Charles Grimaldi is about 12 feet tall and looks just terrible. It has 3 trunks, one of which has a "Y" about 3 feet off the ground, but the other two have no foliage or branching until about 8 feet off the ground. There is also lots of tip die-back at the top of the canopy due to the freak freeze we had this winter.
I would like to prune it back in hopes of getting a better shaped, healthier looking and shorter specimen. However, in my climate, I am not sure when to do this since Brugs are in active growth all year round here. -I am thinking spring is probably best? Also, should I lop it all to the ground or leave just the one trunk that has a Y and cut it off right above the Y?
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I live in Florida and ours grow year around, too. I cut mine back whenever they look crappy or when I can pawn the cuttings off on someone - no certain time, except when they are forming buds, which is right now.
When Nov. gets here and they aren't likely to bloom again until March or May, I will whack them down to about a foot above the ground. Wherever you cut them, two branches will form. I think you can do it whenever it suits you.


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I intended to use the dregs of a bottle of Jolly Pumpkin LaRoja in a Flanders Red (1.055 OG, 15 IBUs). I'm concerned I might have hosed up my lactobacillus population.Here's what I did:
1. Pitched dregs of JP LaRoja into 800mL of 1.047 / 38 IBU* wort.
2. Starter totally finished out in 4 days with good apparent yeast growth (judged by visual inspection).
3. Poured off liquid, added 600ml of 1.040 / 0 IBU wort to starter. Fermentation complete after 2 days.
4. Since I had such a good yeast population, I simply pitched into primary fermenter after complete and settled.**
*I used a hopped starter to prevent unwanted infection, but I could have also prevented growth of lactobacillus.
**I know Jolly Pumpkin uses WLP550, so I realize that I did not need to culture the primary yeast. But it was free and came along with the bugs/dregs.Here's my questions:
1. Did the usage of hops in my starter do anything to "harm" my lactobacillus? The presence of hops is used to prevent their growth.
2. Should I pitch a package of WY5335 Lactobacillus to assist in souring this beer?
3. Perhaps in general, does making a starter from a sour beer really do ANYTHING to assist in propagation of lacto, pedio, or brett? These are slow growing organisms? Does the starter help them at all?
Pitching lacto after the primary yeast will do little to sour it. At this point I suggest riding it out and seeing what happens...
I'm confused by your response. Typical fermentation of Flanders beers includes a saccaromyces primary fermentation followed by the introduction of lactic acid producing bacteria. This is my 5th sour beer and I promise they get sour if the bugs/brett are pitched after primary fermentation.
If I wanted to sour the beer in a week (i.e. a Berliner weiss) I agree that pitching lacto after primary fermentation would have a limited effect.
But I'm aging this beer for 6mo-2yrs, so I'm prepared for the bacteria & brett to work slowly.
My question is really one of cell count. Do I have enough lactobacillus from the dregs of one bottle? Did I limit their cell count or viability by pitching into a hopped starter?
I think what he might be saying is that lacto (lactobacillus) doesn't perform as well when the alcohol level increases, thus you'll get more sourness from lactobacillus in the primary. Pediococcus (another lactic acid producing bacteria) also also some alcohol limitation, but maybe it's higher, and more importantly can work in the presence of IBUs, and so RR claims pedio provides most of it's sourness. In short (though it's much more complicated): lacto: primary; pedio: secondary.
it would be possible, however I doubt that the amount of acidity one could get in a small portion of wort would have a large impact on a full batch
adding lactic acid would be very easy to do though at that point
I just made a Flander's red using La Roja yeast this past weekend. I started with a 500ml starter with the dregs, stepped up to 1000ml, decanted, then another 1000ml. I sampled the "beer" when i decanted and it was definitely sour, more so than La Roja actually. It's been fermenting pretty strong over the past few days. I'll wait a couple weeks to pull a gravity sample and cross my fingers it soured at least a little. If not i'll brew something else and blend it in a few months.
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The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)--the agency that administers Medicare--estimated that the program made about $700 million in improper payments for durable medical equipment, prosthetics, orthotics, and supplies (DMEPOS) from April 1, 2005, through March 31, 2006. To protect Medicare from improper DMEPOS payments, CMS relies on three Program Safeguard Contractors (PSC), and four contractors that process Medicare claims, to conduct critical program integrity activities. GAO was requested to examine CMS's and CMS's contractors' activities to prevent and minimize improper payments for DMEPOS, and describe CMS's oversight of PSC program integrity activities. To do this, GAO analyzed DMEPOS claims data by supplier and item to identify atypical, or large, increases in billing; reviewed CMS documents; and conducted interviews with CMS and contractor officials. GAO focused its work on contractors' automated prepayment controls and described related claims analysis functions.
To prevent and minimize improper DMEPOS payments, CMS's contractors conduct program integrity activities, which include performing medical reviews of certain claims before they are paid to determine whether the items meet criteria for Medicare coverage. As part of their efforts, CMS's contractors responsible for medical review use automated prepayment controls to deny claims that should not be paid or identify claims that should be reviewed. However, GAO found three shortfalls in these automated prepayment controls that make the Medicare program vulnerable to improper payments. (1) Contractors responsible for medical review did not have automated prepayment controls in place to identify questionable claims that are part of an atypically rapid increase in billing. (2) In some instances, these contractors did not have automated prepayment controls in place to identify claims for items unlikely to be prescribed in the course of routine quality medical care. CMS has recently begun an initiative to add controls of this kind for some DMEPOS items. (3) CMS does not require these contractors to share information on the most effective automated prepayment controls of the other contractors or consider adopting them. For example, Medicare might have saved almost $71 million in less than 2 years if one effective automated prepayment control designed to prevent Medicare from paying for more than one home-use hospital bed per month for a beneficiary, which was used by one of these contractors, had been used by the others. CMS oversees the PSCs' program integrity activities by providing written manuals and contracts to guide their work. As part of its oversight, CMS is implementing an annual contractor performance evaluation process, based on three evaluation tools, to assess each PSC's performance. CMS officials said that the agency will use the results of these evaluations to determine two things: whether to renew a PSC's contract, and whether a PSC may earn award fees--a monetary reward for good performance--in addition to the regular payments it receives under its contract.
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Status: Closed - Not Implemented
Comments: Although the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) agreed with this recommendation in its comments on the report, until recently it had not taken action that directly addressed the recommendation. The agency is currently streaming every Medicare fee-for-service claim prior to payment through its predictive modeling technology, known as the Fraud Prevention System (FPS). The FPS uses a series of algorithms to identify potentially fraudulent claims and prioritize the most egregious situations. As each claim streams through the predictive modeling system, the system builds profiles of providers, networks, and billing patterns. Using these profiles, CMS estimates a claim's likelihood of being fraudulent. However, CMS has not addressed this specific recommendation through use of the FPS.
Recommendation: The Administrator of CMS should require the PSCs to develop thresholds for unexplained increases in billing--and use them to develop automated prepayment controls as one component of their manual medical review strategies.
Agency Affected: Department of Health and Human Services: Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
Status: Closed - Implemented
Comments: The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) agreed with this recommendation in its comments on the report and responded that the contractors' Joint Operating Agreements (JOA) provide a means through which information could be shared. CMS currently requires these contractors to have Joint Operating Agreements attached to each of their contracts to outline specifically the contact people and coordination points for sharing information across contractors. In 2007, CMS reviewed the JOAs and confirmed that contractors are required to exchange information and coordinate on program edits including auto-deny and other prepayment edits. These opportunities for communication include meetings between the DME PSCs, DME MACs and other relevant contractor groups. The DME PSCs develop and share the information to determine if actions, including automated prepayment edits, would be appropriate for their jurisdiction and to refer such actions to the appropriate DME MAC. CMS also implemented a workgroup that will enhance the sharing of edits across DME MACs and DME PSCs to further address the GAO's recommendation. In addition, on October 6, 2008, CMS implemented a fraud module that allowed the DME MACs to share edits that were developed locally, but could be shared nationally.
Recommendation: The Administrator of CMS should require the Durable Medical Equipment Medicare Administrative Contractors, Durable Medical Equipment Regional Carrier, and PSCs to exchange information on their automated prepayment controls, and have each of these contractors consider whether the automated prepayment controls developed by the others could reduce their incidence of improper payments.
Agency Affected: Department of Health and Human Services: Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
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Just got my corona style mill station set up Monday. Put about 1/3rd # through to see how the crush was. How's it look?Comparison, Victory (I think) from brewshop on left. My MO on right crushed by my mill much finer? Look okay?Just my crush. Too fine? Okay? Too chunky?
Thanks & Schlante,
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I dunno, I see shredded husks and what appear to be several whole, unmilled grains in that picture. That seems like the worst of both worlds; low extraction and lots of tannins.
yeah you need to go finer, but don't worry about the tannins.
The comparison shot is probably more indicative of the crush. It's a HUGE diffference between the store crush and mine! Isn't it??? The bottom one has only 1 whole grain in it, the others are pieces/cracked.
I don't know it's got way more white than I've ever brewed with before, that's my worry. Anyone got pics of their crush for comparison... something to make me feel better?
Thanks & Keep it coming,
Holy crap I didn't realize the shot on the left was supposed to be milled grain. That's a terrible crush. Pretty much anything you do will be an improvement over that.
the crush in the first picture on the left is unmilled grain IMO. The crush in the second is way to coarse. You have whole kernels still.
Here's a pic of a crush that is about where mine is at from another thread on the same topic.http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/coro...please-133814/
I tend to asgree. The first photo on the left cannot be crushed, because the kernels look whole. Any store that tried selling that as crushed grain would have people complaining before they left the store.
The crush photo needs to be closer, it looks a little coarse. Here is the BC crush that has been giving me and others 80% and up for a while now.
Hey folks - I just brewed an IIPA (all grain) - but the OG was way too low. Everything went according to plan, ended up with slightly more than the planned 5 gallons, but should not have had this drastic of an impact. And of course, I've nailed the OG in other batches. The only problem I can think of was the grain crush - we had the brew shop do it. And upon examining the grains of the next beer we have ready to go (also crushed at the shop, within minutes of the IIPA), I believe some of you more experienced guys would say it's too coarse, when comparing to the posted pics. Any suggestions? Should I get out the rolling pin and do some more crushing in a cookie sheet or something?
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San Francisco Daily Journal July 24,2003 CARING INTENSIVELY Arthur Bryant- "I remain optimistic and confident that I'll be able to get back to the level of work that I once performed." Photo By S. Todd Rogers/Daily Journal ing-out party for Arthur Bryant, game, however, for most of the By Karen Coleman the organization's executive past year. Daily Journal Staff Writer director. The 48-year-old public-inter- Bryant became the nonprofit est attorney is still recovering SAN FRANCISCO - The Trial organization's second staff attor- from a near-fatal car accident Lawyers for Public Justice ney in 1984 and did much to last August that left him with a Foundation's 21st Anniversary direct its growth into a legal six-[week] blank spot in his Gala and awards ceremony this powerhouse. He had been out of memory and injuries that require week did double-duty as a com- the office and away from the continuing therapy. He made his first public ered in bandages, and it started university lost or settled all the appearance since the accident to sink in." claims by 1998. The case ended Sunday during the foundation's As surreal as the accident in the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of annual meeting in San may have seemed to Bryant, it Appeals. Cohen v. Brown Francisco. was worse for his colleagues, University, 101 F.3d 155 (1996). He upstaged Attorney who were the first to reach his Bryant has pressed important General Bill Lockyer, the bedside and remained at his side civil rights and federal preemp- keynote speaker, by drawing throughout the ordeal. tion cases. He is particularly three standing ovations lasting "They allowed us into inten- proud of a $950 [million] nation- five minutes or more each, the sive care," said Jeff Foote, of the al settlement in Tennessee in last one punctuated by whoops Portland firm Jeffrey Foote & 1995 over allegedly defective and hollers. Bryant was received Associates and a past foundation polybutylene plumbing, the with similar enthusiasm during president. "We were part of their largest property damage class the foundation's awards action in the United ceremony Tuesday evening. States. Cox v. Shell Oil Bryant said he was Bones Broken But Spirit Co., 18844. "thrilled" to finally see so Bryant who became many colleagues in person. Unshaken, Arthur Bryant the foundation's second "I spent close to a year Survived a Horrific Crash executive director in 1987, in hospitals and doctors' is credited with building offices, and rehabilitation Thinking About His Family the operation into a 3,000- offices trying to get better. and Public Interest Law member, $4 million con- So to return to people and cern. Its law firm, Trial work I love after that kind Lawyers for Public of a period is just thrilling," Justice, boasts 31 lawyers he said in an interview. therapy; we had voices they in offices in Washington and In a speech during the annual knew." Oakland. Bryant moved West to meeting, Bryant related his first Foote, a personal injury open the Oakland office three memory after the accident, when lawyer, also volunteered his time years ago. he fully "woke up" after weeks to keeping Bryant's personal "This guy has a very rare of lapsing in and out of con- affairs in order after the acci- ability to be a great lawyer and a sciousness. He had no short-term dent. great administrator," Gwilliam memory during that period. Once it was clear Bryant said. He said he thought he was grog- would make it, "it was the head The accident happened on a gy from a nap until a doctor injury that scared us," said Gary rural section of Highway 97 in asked him if he knew the date Gwilliam, of Oakland's Gwill- central Oregon. Bryant was driv- and where he was. iam Ivary Chiosso Cavalli & ing his family home to Oakland "I got every question wrong," Brewer, the new foundation after speaking at the annual con- Bryant said. president. vention of the Oregon Trial At the time, he said, he Bryant, a Harvard Law grad- Lawyers Association in Sun couldn't believe he and his wife uate, is known for his shrewd River. A pickup coming in the and son had been injured and legal mind and his dogged devo- opposite direction turned without that he had been in bed for the tion to Title IX - particularly for warning in front of Bryant's better part of two months. forcing Brown University to Toyota. The vehicles collided "My first reaction was 'get grant parity to women's sports. head-on. the hell out of here. I just took a Brown was the only school to Bryant had to be cut from the nap.'" Then the doctor told him appeal a Title IX loss all the way wreckage. He suffered brain to look down at himself in the to the U.S. Supreme Court, damage, two collapsed lungs, bed. "I was lying there all cov- where it was denied review. The broken bones in all of his limbs and a crushed right hand. The Stritmatter is a personal injury "Once my brain came back I doctors told his parents and his lawyer with Stritmatter Kessler never had any concerns about colleagues he wouldn't survive Whelan Withey Coluccio, in my mental abilities - they just the night. Hoquiam, Wash. seemed to be back. I did have Bryant's wife, Nancy "Because of what I would concerns about my physical sur- Johnson, also was critically call our medical-legal expertise, vival and the health and safety injured and unconscious after the we were able to keep track of of my family." accident. The couple initially him and make sure [his family] He said his biggest mental was airlifted to the St. Charles got good care," Foote said. challenge was the psychological Medical Center in Bend, Ore. Johnson recovered from her adjustment of learning about the Their son, Wally Johnson injuries, but after about three accident and focusing on recov- Bryant, then 7, had a broken leg. weeks in the Oregon hospital, ery. The driver of the truck, Bryant was moved to John Muir His mind remained active reported to have had a suspend- Medical Center in Walnut Creek. throughout his recovery, Bryant ed license, was treated and Three weeks later his faculties, said, judging from observations released that day. in his words, "came back." by friends and associates, though According to several Stritmatter said his first inkling he remembers nothing. accounts, a hospital representa- that his colleague was going to For a time he thought he was tive called the Oakland office of be OK came soon after Bryant's presiding over a meeting in his TLPJ first, asking Bryant's assis- return to California, when during hospital room, "running through tant for information about his a telephone conversation he laid agendas nobody else had," he family and medical history. out several reasons why an said. Paul Stritmatter, the founda- action planned for the board's Through it all, he said, there tion's president at the time, said next executive committee meet- were two things he never forgot: several colleagues rushed to the ing was a bad idea. his family and closest friends, hospital. Past TLPJ president "Rather than comment on the and his vocation as a public Susan Saladoff, of Davis substance of the argument, I said interest lawyer. Gilstrap Hearn Saladoff & Smith 'Arthur, you are back,'" "It was quite an adjustment, in Ashland, and her daughter Stritmatter recalled. He had when you've been on top of kept Wally company while his Bryant reiterate his comments by what's happening in an organiza- parents lay unconscious. phone during the meeting and, tion and you know daily what's "For the most part, the doc- he said, the committee had the going on, to being in a situation tors related to us very well," same reaction. where you're getting the newslet- Stritmatter said, although he "He's a very persuasive ter and learning we won a case remarked that one doctor was lawyer," Stritmatter said. three months ago," Bryant said. especially reserved toward the Bryant was moved to a By fall, he was keeping tabs pack of high-powered tort attor- Marin County rehabilitation hos- on TLPJ litigation again. In neys at the patient's bedside. pital in November and went October, for example, he made a Another doctor with a sense of home in mid-December. Since point of ringing up Washington humor made a point of ribbing then, he has been undergoing staff lawyer Leslie Brueckner to them about their business. regular physical therapy to wish her well on her U.S. The attorneys made a point recover full use of his legs and Supreme Court argument in a of putting the doctors at ease. his reconstructed hand. federal preemption case, "'Don't be afraid because it's Bryant said his doctors told Sprietsma v. Mercury Marine, a bunch of lawyers walking him he was cracking jokes while 536 U.S. 921 (2002). down the hallway," Stritmatter his head was mending and that "He called me before my recalled telling them. "We just "humor is a high-brain func- Supreme Court argument from happen to be a bunch of lawyers tion." Bryant didn't worry about his hospital bed and left me this who have a dear friend in here." his mental acuity. message saying 'don't worry I know you're going to do great, easy, either directly or indirect- held that the absence of federal and just remember, keep on ly" said Oakland staff lawyer regulations requiring boat pro- smiling,'" Brueckner said Victoria Ni. "We were all wor- peller-guards does not preempt during a speech Sunday. The ried about him personally." people injured by uncovered high court ruled 9-0 in her favor. Indeed, immediately follow- propellers from suing for dam- These days, Bryant is up and ing the accident, Stritmatter said, ages. about again, albeit with the the board worried that the foun- TLPJ lawyers, who often assistance of a cane, and he is dation wouldn't be able to main- oppose class action settlements working part-time. His face and tain its high level of activism they deem unfair to plaintiffs, body are nicked with scars and without Bryant at its helm. this year wrote an influential his left eye is swollen closed. Someone suggested that the amicus brief in a U.S. Supreme He's thinner and slightly less foundation cut back on its activi- Court case in which the court steady in gait and grip, but he ties while Bryant was out of ruled that the terms of an Agent still has his striking broad smile commission. Orange class action settlement and bushy brown hair. "I insisted that we do no such didn't bar subsequent suits. Dow "I remain optimistic and con- thing unless I had an extremely Chemical Corp. v. Stephenson, fident that I'll be able to get back well-documented memo as to 123 S.Ct. 2161. to the level of work that I once why we couldn't proceed with- TLPJ also scored one for performed," Bryant said. out Arthur," Stritmatter said. opponents of mandatory arbitra- As before the accident, he is Nobody ever came up with such tion when the 9th Circuit Court in charge of administration for a memo.The staff pulled together of Appeal held that a disabled the TLPJ Foundation and litiga- to keep everything humming. plumber could sue insurer tion for the TLPJ law firm. "Frankly, they barely skipped Lloyd's of London for bad-faith His immediate goal, he said, a beat," Stritmatter said. "It was denial of disability benefits, is to catch up on TLPJ's activi- surprising. He was such a strong despite a contractual arbitration ties and figure out "where my and forceful leader of the organi- requirement. Boghos v. Lloyd's unfortunately still-limited time zation that we couldn't proceed of London, 2003 DJDAR 7309 can best be used to fulfill our without him, and we did succeed "I would be proud of these mission." Going forward, he without him." accomplishments if I had been said, his goal is to shore up the TLPJ Foundation lawyers there and been involved with foundation's financing, which racked up several victories in them," Bryant said. "And to lagged somewhat his absence. Bryant's absence, including have them take place in my "We all at one point or anoth- Brueckner's Sprietsma case, in absence makes me feel even er have tried to tell him to take it which the U.S. Supreme Court prouder."
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You are an ignorant male adult with the mind of an intellectually impaired child. This makes you ignorant. You can not help it. You were raised that way. You have no life. You love ignorance.<quoted text>
..you know aT, if you could just all hold hands, then you couldn't do evil to on another, could you?
..and if you all had a big ole Hot C cock in your mouths, then you couldn't SPEAK IGNORANCE like you do now, could you?
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#89192 Mar 22, 2013
old racist trashbaggers, hating. Hate on!!! Won't change a thing. At the end of the day, may I reintroduce OUR POTUS, BARACK HUSSEIN. OBAMA. SO PROUD!!!!!
#89194 Mar 22, 2013
NO, truly, seriously we are laughing at you. LMAO!
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#89196 Mar 22, 2013
Ignorant people love ignorant racist 1/2 negro trollers. You have a right to be proud. While the entire world laughs you are proud. This is extreme ignorance. Your president is a joke. Your president is the biggest racist in the western world and you are proud. Ignorant people are proud of ignorant people. He is nothing without a speech writer. He is now a troll of the Israeli government because his ego was patted. He is a loser racist and a liar and you love him. You are ignorant.
#89198 Mar 22, 2013
what is a demonic rat, they are a society of worthloess slugs that believe the gubment should provide food clothing housing and internet service by stealing from peo0ple that earn their way through life to provide for the worthless slugs, these demonic rats claim to be of high intelligencia but when you examine them closely you realize thye are easily manipulated into following anything, they will claim everybody else lies, but you can see the lies in everything they claim, they will tell you a woman has a right to choosem but they will at the same time submit to wearing a seatbelt because the gubment tells em they must,they will even vote for demon seeds from kenya, beware of these demonic rats folks they are a sly bunch
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#89201 Mar 22, 2013
Learn how to spell your name correctly as you're trolling these boards.
This is probably the 3rd time you've spelled your own name wrong.
Try to keep up with your broken record posts over and over....
This poster has 'republicanitist' if you repeat bullshit over and over, in their minds, the lies become true.
That and this fat lesbian is very lonely and this is all she has since we owned her on her 7000 other names LMAO
Republicans are so dumb.
#89203 Mar 22, 2013
i see the demonseeds are up early or are they starting the crack binge early this weekend
#89205 Mar 22, 2013
lets see like the lie saddam didnt have weapons of mass destruction, or bush lied us into war or maybe ,clinton had a surplus are those the lies you are refering to as if they are told enuff the demonic rats will believe them , tell those 5,000 dead kurds saddam didnt have weapons of mass destruction
#89206 Mar 22, 2013
Republitards are licking the toilet this morning.
#89207 Mar 22, 2013
go blow it out your ass!!! you are like 2seconds from the psych Ward. do you take psych meds? will be
happy to set you up an appt. at Smith's animal psychiatrist.
#89209 Mar 22, 2013
JHell yes,but don't stop!!
#89210 Mar 22, 2013
you need a cheat sheet on being a human you worthless monkey fart
#89211 Mar 22, 2013
your spell check is jacked. Oh, 2nd. grade?
explains it.
#89212 Mar 22, 2013
You are a dingleberry on the hairy ass of a Goat.
#89213 Mar 22, 2013
You are an ignorant 1/2 negro loving troll. Barack Hussein O-negro is a troller. You are his troll. You are ignorant to be SO PROUD!!!!! You have nothing. You are nothing. Just a racist 1/2 negro loving troll.
#89214 Mar 22, 2013
You are an ignorant predator troll. You have proved you are a predator. You want to abuse anonymous posters and then 'own' them. You have demonstrated you are an ignorant predator troll for wanting to 'own' someone on a message board after having 'abused' them in your own mind. You are a predator. You can not hid it. You have outed yourself. You are ignorant. Please list the 7000 names like the many locations this has been posted from. You are ignorant. You need a life. You refuse to admit or deny you are a predator.
#89216 Mar 22, 2013
You are an ignorant 1/2 negro troll follower that has been trolled by a country that now owns your president for the price of a pat on the head like a nice little troll. This makes you extremely ignorant. The psych ward is not 2 seconds away it is 18 km from here. You are ignorant. You are a negro loving troll.
#89217 Mar 22, 2013
You love ignorance just like your Uncle T. You are both ignorant to be pandering to a middle age adult male with the mind of an immature teenager. You are ignorant. You have no life. You love 1/2 negro presidents.
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#89219 Mar 22, 2013
If you only knew how completely correct you are with your wording!
We've dealt with her for a long time.
It's a medication issue. Not an OTC thing either.
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A blind Chinese woman has sold four of her children, to pay for two others. This is necessary she said because her husband cannot hold a job.
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BEJING, CHINA (Catholic Online) - According to her own admission, Du Xiurong, a Chinese woman from Shibei villiage in Sichuan province, has sold four of her children to pay for her eldest two.
Xiurong has had six children but between 2005 and 2012, she sold three girls and a boy to pay for the feeding and education of the her eldest son and daughter.
Xiurong is blind and cannot work, and her husband has trouble holding jobs. She was married off to her husband as he was the first man that wanted her, she says. She also says that her children mean a lot to her, and that she did not actually sell her children, but only charged "pregnancy fees."
For her four children, she has been paid about $1,500.
"I have no other choice. If I were not blind I wouldn't have to do this," she told a reporter. "I am not selling them out, but giving them away. I only charge a bit for pregnancy fees. I love babies, if I were capable, I definitely would bring them up. But I can't really support them. I then find good families to adopt them."
She added, "I gave out babies to families which can't give birth. They want babies and I helped them. Rich people give out money for a daughter's wedding. Middle-class people earn money for a daughter's marriage, and poor people sell sons and daughters."
Xiurong was arrested and detained in January for selling her children but was released because of her disability. She said she was blinded in an accident when she was five.
China also has a one-child policy, so Xiurong has been compelled to hide her pregnancies to prevent arrests.
Speaking about her husband, "As a normal person, he can't earn any money. On the contrary, I, a blinded person, had to support the whole family."
How people, particularly children are treated in China is a profound issue. China performs forced abortions on children and steeply fines parents who have more than one child. This compels people to live in fear, and to take drastic measures if they're poor, which can include infanticide and selling children. Despite Xiurong's claims, many children end up in the hands of human traffickers.
Recently, another baby in China made headlines after its mother flushed him down a toilet. She claimed the event was accidental. That child was retrieved by its grandparents from authorities and no charges have been filed against the mother.
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Yeah, I see how it is. You use the word "fear" to describe our feelings, and then, denounce the same word, when used in conjunction with your own stance. Got it. I believe that I've already pointed out the double standard, but you do not recognize it, because you think that it's YOUR game, and we are somehow different. We've ALWAYS had the rights that you seek, but, since time began, your way of doing things has encountered resistance. Except, of course, for a few old timey cultures that no longer, technically, exist. Up until now, your desires have been loosely tolerated, but not approved of. NOW, you have infiltrated, usurped and bribed all of the properly placed people to garner the decision. And you get uptight with us traditionalists that want to preserve some of the ways that have lasted us this long, and resulted in our presence here, today. We, that it to say, I and others that think the same way that I do, do nor believe in the "mix-n-match" policy for marriage that you do. And you trivialize our feelings, while demanding that we respect your, as if they are somehow morally superior to ours. No, sir, I am not "fu**ing" (have to edit, you have privileges that I do not) with you, I am making my case the same way that you are. AND, I am not coming unglued at some words that have been used on the internet, as you did, although, you make it sound so nice and respectable, and logical. Passionate? You have shown yourself, repeatedly, to be sensitive, angry and the way that you justify "getting in peoples faces" makes me think that you might have a history of violence. Our rights have been accorded for our relationships that are in accordance with nature, not because we wanted to shack up with "Bucky" or "Victor". Marriage is a serious business, sir, not something to use for personal gain. Your relationships provide for no offspring, and are, therefore, sterile by nature. For this, you wish to receive the same benefits as a struggling couple, and are willing to disparage those same couples in order to make them seem frivolous. "Heterosexual marriage are shot all to hell", or some such thing that you said, using statistics of failed marriages to validate your claims.
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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage
A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.Read more
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#193576 May 28, 2013
Good morning everyone
"Vita e' Bella."
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#193579 May 28, 2013
Spot on old chap. Jolly good point.
#193580 May 28, 2013
That was really really bad....
"KiMare'a the Monster Mutation"
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#193582 May 28, 2013
You know the idea would be harmful to your cause, so you desperately try to distance yourself.
But you also know that the dumbing down of marriage legally opens the door for a host of issues including polygamy.
All of this exposes denial, not disinterest.
"KiMare'a the Monster Mutation"
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#193583 May 28, 2013
The ONLY reason marriage is restricted to two people is because of children. Dumbing down marriage by eliminating procreation removes that restriction.
You deny being aware of that. Simply a lie.
"KiMare'a the Monster Mutation"
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#193584 May 28, 2013
SS couples have to equate before they can claim equal rights. They clearly don't.
#193585 May 28, 2013
Nor do you, should we stop recognizing your marriage legally?
Since: Dec 09
#193586 May 28, 2013
No... The issue here is "Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage".
That is the heading on this TOPIX forum.
There is nothing in the title of this forum that has to do with polygamy.
You have continued to try to make it an issue, yet no one is biting.
We do try to redirect you to the issue at hand, but like a blind man, you keep wandering away.
No matter how hard we try to keep you on topic, you keep going back to polygamy.
To that end, I have set you up a "polygamy forum" called "Frankie wants to discuss Polygamy". You can find it here: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/start-la/TJ81...
Since: Dec 09
#193587 May 28, 2013
The door to polygamy was opened when heterosexual couples began to marry one another. Many of you are happy to report that polygamy has been seen more commonly than same-sex marriage throughout history. So, YOU opened that door; not us.
To discuss polygamy further, please visit the new TOPIX forum created for this issue, "Frankie wants to discuss polygamy", found here: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/start-la/TJ81...
"Vita e' Bella."
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#193590 May 28, 2013
The issue here is this: how does a self-consciously modern, liberal society continue to criminalize polygamy, a form of marriage that has existed throughout the world for millennia, when it has at the same time legalized a completely new form of marriage between same-sex couples?
Frankie Rizzo
Union City, CA
I find it difficult to see the logic of defending monogamous marriage as the historic norm when the laws of many states have already departed from the principle that it is heterosexual, monogamous marriage that is essential to social stability.
If heterosexuality is no longer legally, morally or socially relevant to marriage, why should monogamy continue to be so important?
"Vita e' Bella."
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#193593 May 28, 2013
Note the last line, the quote, it speaks volumes.
As an increasing number of American citizens grow more comfortable with the notion of gay marriage (46% of Americans), more and more individuals are seeking to legally challenge the very framework of this age old institution.
In addition to the calls by many to allow people of the same sex an opportunity to be legally wed, there are growing numbers of many old-style Mormons seeking legal immunity to engage in polygamy; an illegal practice of having multiple spouses.
This past summer, Jeff Buhman, the chief prosecutor for Utah County, Utah, made a decision that went largely unreported by many in the mainstream media a decision to no longer prosecute anyone in the county who may be guilty of this practice; Buhman also went a step further, by placing legal roadblocks for any future county attorney who may attempt to prosecute said individuals:
[Buhmans decision is] intended to prevent future prosecution of polygamists in Utah County for just the practice of polygamy,
The statements are part of a motion to dismiss a challenge to the states bigamy law filed by Kody Brown and his four wives: Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn.
An attorney for the Brown family had the following to say:
While I am pleased that the prosecutors are now promising to leave this family alone, the decision will not end our challenge to the state law, said Washington, D.C.-based attorney Jonathan Turley in a blog entry posted Thursday, expressing his great relief for the Brown family that this long-standing threat has been finally lifted.
According to the Browns attorney, the states law banning multiple spouses violates their constitutional right to privacy and religious freedom.
The new legal trend has the potential to decriminalize a way of life for tens of thousands of self-described Mormon fundamentalists, most of whom live in Utah where bigamy is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.
If homosexuals are free to be married, then why cant we? We have much more history on our side than they do. stated one Mormon-fundamentalist claiming to being married to three different women.
"Vita e' Bella."
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#193594 May 28, 2013
If homosexuals are free to be married, then why cant we? We have much more history on our side than they do. stated one Mormon-fundamentalist claiming to being married to three different women.
#193599 May 28, 2013
I am sure you know this, but none of them are actually interested in the subject and have stated so, only in how they can use the subject to oppose same sex marriage.
Since: Dec 09
#193601 May 28, 2013
I still don't see how you can make the leap from 2 same-sex people being allowed to marry to the legalization of polygamy.
You're trying to say that by changing any aspect to marriage means that all aspects to marriage must also be allowed to change.
To say that allowing same-gender couples to marry will lead to polygamy is like saying, "If we change the age at which people can begin to vote, then we'll have to allow non-residents to vote."
Just because one aspect of marriage (or voting) changes, does not mean that the doors fly open to every other possible change.
As I've said here repeatedly, if others want to have their shot at changing the laws of marriage to include them, then they have access to the same processes that are required to have that done.
If polygamists decide to pursue having their marriages recognized by the government, they're going to have a hell of a time using any arguments that have been presented by proponents of same-sex marriage. NO case that has been argued before a judge with regards to same-sex marriage have included an argument to increase the number of spouses a person can have.
If you were an attorney arguing on behalf of polygamy, which parts of the same-sex marriage trials would you draw from to support your case?
Finally, if you want to be historically accurate, it was during the Love v. Virginia trial--the one legalizing interracial marriage--that the Attorney General for Virginia warned that "polygamy" would result, should interracial marriage be legalized.
If you want to blame anyone for the future of polygamy, blame those who argued in favor of interracial marriage.
Since: Dec 09
#193602 May 28, 2013
I realize this... It's a parlor game at this point.
#193607 May 28, 2013
At this point.. a parlor game is all they have.
Did you see the news in Nevada, another state on the road to having its ban reversed.
Again I DO NOT expect a broad ruling, I expect them to "dismissed as improvidently granted" in both cases. Or at least in the Prop 8 case, DOMA they actually may remove one section, but I dont expect they will move on the other.
I am not expecting a ground breaking ruling here, it will be a minor ruling, that will toss it back to the states. California's case means Prop 8 will be overturned as our courts have already ruled that way, or at the very worst, back on the ballot to be overturned in the next election easily.
I would rather a major ruling, but I dont expect that at this point.
#193609 May 28, 2013
Because that is the order listed in the play book argument written in the anti-same sex marriage coloring book handed out after services at the Westborough Baptist Church
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#193610 May 28, 2013
Because the primary colors are already defined as "primary colors".
In the fight for marriage equality, only heterosexual couples can be defined as "married". Same-sex couples cannot.
Apples and oranges...
Since: Dec 09
#193611 May 28, 2013
I don't expect a major ruling either. However, the momentum favoring the legalization of same-sex marriage is strong.
At this point it's a waiting game. Everyone here knows that.
It pleases some of us, while disturbing others.
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