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Abstract mathematical principles are often obtuse ideas that don't have any direct correlation to the real world. Indeed for the majority of the time I spent in university I had no idea how the concepts I was being taught could be applied in the real world, that was until the final unit where they showed us just how all these esoteric formulas and algorithms could be applied. However there are times when the real world and the land of pure mathematics cross paths and when they do the results can be quite amazing. Thus I present to you the Fibonacci Zoetrope:
The Fibonacci Sequence is one of the more commonly known mathematical concepts, one that can be seen often in nature. It can be used to approximate the Golden Spiral which everyone will readily recognise as the shape of a common sea shell. It also appears in sunflowers arising out of the fact that the interior of the flower is most efficiently filled in a Fibonacci like sequence, giving it an evolutionary advantage. The sculptures you see in the video above uses these same sequences to produce some rather interesting patterns which, when combined with a video camera, produce the illusion of motion that isn't there.
The trick works due to the way modern cameras work, capturing individual frames at precise intervals. If you were looking at this in real life it would look like a blur of motion instead of the strange movement that you see in this video. However you would be able to see this with your own eyes if you used a strobe that pulsed at regular intervals, much like the modern Zoetropes do. Depending on the speed of the rotation and the image capture interval you'll see very different kinds of motion and, if you time it precisely, it could appear to not move at all.
I really love these crossovers between art and science as they demonstrate some incredibly complicated ideas without having to dive into reams of proofs and scientific papers. The creation of the sculptures themselves is also a feat of modern engineering as some of those structures are simply not possible to create without 3D printing. I might lament not being as talented as the people who created this video but I think it's for the best as otherwise my hose would be covered in all sorts of weird and wonderful sculptures inspired by random mathematical principles.
Flash, after starting out its life as one of the bevy of animation plugins for browsers back in the day. has become synonymous with online video. It's also got a rather terrible reputation for using an inordinate amount of system resources to accomplish this feat, something which hasn't gone away even in the latest versions. Indeed even my media PC, which has a graphics card with accelerated video decoding, struggles with Flash, it's unoptimized format monopolizing every skerrick of resources for itself. HTML5 sought to solve this problem by making video a part of the base HTML specification which, everyone had hoped, would see an end to proprietary plug-ins and the woes they brought with them. However the road to getting that standard widely adopted hasn't been an easy one as YouTube's 4 year road to making HTML5 the default shows.
Google had always been on the "let's use an open standard" bandwagon when it came to HTML5 video which was at odds with other members of the HTML5 board who wanted to use something that, whilst being more ubiquitous, was a proprietary codec. This, unfortunately, led to a deadlock within the committee with none of them being able to agree on a default standard. Despite what YouTube's move to HTML5 would indicate there is still no defined standard for which codec to use for HTML5 video, meaning that there's no way to guarantee that a video you've encoded in one way will be viewable by HTML5 compliant browsers. Essentially it looks like a format war is about to begin where the wider world will decide the champion and the HTML5 committee will just have to play catch up.
YouTube has unsurprisingly decided to go for Google's VP9 codec for their HTML5 videos, a standard which they fully control. Whilst they've had HTML5 video available for some time now as an option it never enjoyed the widespread support required in order for them to make it the default. It seems now they've got buy in from most of the major browser vendors in order to be able to make the switch so people running Safari 8, IE 11, Chrome and (beta) Firefox will be given the Flash free experience. This has the potential to set up VP9 as the de facto codec for HTML5 although I highly doubt it'll be officially crowned anytime soon.
Google has also been hard at work ensuring that VP9 enjoys wide support across platforms as there are already several major chip producers whose System on a Chip (SoC) already supports the codec. Without that the mobile experience of VP9 encoded videos would likely be extremely poor, hindering adoption substantially.
Whilst a codec that's almost entirely under the control of Google might not have been the ideal solution that the Open Source evangelists were hoping for (although it seems pretty open to me) it's probably the best solution we were going to get. I have not heard of the other competing standards, apart from H.264, having such widespread support as Google's VP9 does now. It's likely that the next few years will see many people adopting a couple standards whilst the consumers duke it out in the next format war with the victor not clear until it's been over for a couple years. For me though I'm glad it's happened and hopefully soon we can do away with the system hog that Flash is.
There's a lot more to the world we live in that what we can see with our eyes. The colours of the world that we see are merely a subset of the wide spectrum of available light, one that extends out in both directions in an infinite expanse of wavelengths. Beyond that there are countless other things happening around us which eyes simply can't perceive, that is until we construct something that allows us to see the world that's invisible to us. One such device is called a Cloud Chamber which allows us to see the streams of ionizing radiation that permeate throughout our world. The video below is probably the best example I've seen of one and it makes for some extremely soothing viewing:
It's striking to see the chamber light up constantly with just the background radiation that's ever present here on earth. Even if you're familiar with the idea of the world having a constant source of radioactivity it's still another thing to see it in action, the ionizing particles whizzing through the space at an incredibly rapid pace. Adding in a radioactive source is a great way to visualize what radioactive decay is and how various materials decay at different rates and in different ways.
Cloud Chambers played an important role in the early days of particle physics with the discovery of the positron (the anti-electron) and the muon. There have been numerous improvements to the devices in the time since they were first used with the modern day equivalents being solid state devices, typically cooled to cryogenic temperatures. Unfortunately the modern versions don't provide as good of a show as their historic counterparts did but we're able to do much better science with them than we ever were with a cloud chamber.
Looking at the ingredients labels on food can be both an insightful and frightening affair. I've long been in a habit of doing it and I always find it fun to research some of the more esoteric ingredients, well that is right up until I find out where some of them come from. It's the old adage of not finding out how the sausage is made, although in reality you should probably consider that with all things that you put in your body. Still when I watched the following video I was honestly surprised to see the outcome, as I didn't think the effect of extracting iron from cereal would be so dramatic:
The first half of the video explores the idea that there's elemental iron within cereal which can then be attracted by a magnet. Whilst this is true to some degree, the iron within the cereal will feel an attraction to a magnet, you can actually perform the exact same experiment with cereal that is bereft of any elemental iron content. This is because water is a diamagnetic material which is a fancy way of saying that in response to a magnetic field it will create its own inverse field in response. For the cereal and magnet experiment this means the water actually divots around the magnetic field which the piece of cereal then falls into. The iron in the cereal helps this process along of course, but it's not the only force at play here.
However the extraction of the iron from the cereal was pretty astonishing, especially considering just how simple it was to do. Trying to extract other elements from the cereal would prove a much harder endeavour which is why I think an experiment like this is such a powerful visual aid. You're literally seeing the iron being pulled from the food you eat which, in turn, makes you think about all the other things that are listed on the ingredients label. It might not be a particularly pretty picture that you end up with, but at least you'll be far more aware.
I wish I knew about these kinds of science experiments when I was a kid!
The war against bullshit is asymmetrical. I couldn't tell you how many times I've had someone stumble across my blog post and rattle off a paragraph or two which then took me 10 times as long to debunk. It's not so much that I don't have the evidence, they are always demonstrably wrong, however the amount of time required to provide the proof to debunk them always outweighs the time it takes for them to spout it. Thus whenever I come across something that can aid me and my fellow crusaders against bullshit I feel compelled to share it, in the hopes that one day we can turn the asymmetry over to our side so that, one day, spouting bullshit becomes the harder proposition.
And to that end I share with you the below video:
I've come across pretty much every argument in that video before however I've often struggled to find an answers that are succinct as his. Of course I'm under no delusions that this video would turn a hardcore denier around, they're a different breed of stubborn, however it does a great job of highlight the faults in the arguments that many more reasonable people make. His previous videos showed just how scattered the public's knowledge is on this subject and so this follow video will hopefully go a ways to improving that.
There's still a long fight ahead to convince the right people that proper action needs to be taken, something which us Australians should hopefully be able to rectify at the next election.
Ever since I can remember my joints have always been prone to popping and cracking. It was the worst when I was a child as I couldn't really sneak around anywhere without my ankles loudly announcing my presence, thwarting my attempt at whatever shenanigans I was up to. Soon after I discovered the joy of cracking my knuckles and most other joints in my body, much to the chagrin of those around me. However even though I was warned of health effects (which I'm pretty sure is bunk) I never looked up the actual mechanism behind the signature sound and honestly it's actually quite interesting:
Interestingly though whilst cavitation in the synovial fluid is one of the better explanations for where the sound originates there's still some other mechanisms which can cause similar audible effects. Rapid stretching of ligaments can also result in similar noises, usually due to tendons snapping from one position to another. Some sounds are also the result of less benign activities like tearing of intra-articular adhesions tearing, although that usually goes hand in hand with a not-so-minor injury to the joint.
There's also been a little more investigation into the health effects of cracking your knuckles than what the video alludes to. A recent study of 215 patients in the age range of 50 to 89 showed that, regardless of how long a person had been cracking their knuckles, there was no relationship between cracking and osteoarthritis in those joints. Now this was a retrospective study (in terms of people telling the researchers of how much they cracked their knuckles) so there's potential for biases to slip in there but they did use radiographs to determine if they had arthritis or not. There's no studies around other joints however, although I'd wager that the mechanisms, and thus their effects, are very similar throughout the body.
And now if you'll excuse me I'll be off to disgust my wife by cracking every joint in my body
Ever since I first saw a 3D printer I wondered how long it'd be before they'd start scaling up in size. Now I'm not talking about incremental size improvements that we see every so often (like with the new Makerbot Z18), no I was wondering when we'd get industrial scale 3D printers that could construct large structures. The steps between your run of the mill desktop 3D printer and something of that magnitude isn't a simple matter of scaling up the various components as many of the assumptions made at that size simply don't apply when you get into large scale construction. It seems that day has finally come as Suzhou Yingchuang Science and Trade Development Co has developed a 3D printer capable of creating full size houses:
Details the makeup of the material used, as well as its structural properties, aren't currently forthcoming however the company behind them claims that it's about 5 times as hard as traditional building materials. They're apparently using a few of these 3D printed buildings as offices for some of their employees so you'd figure they're somewhat habitable although I'm sure they're in a much more finished state than the ones shown above. Still for a first generation product they seem pretty good and if the company's claims hold up then they'd become an attractive way to provide low cost housing to a lot of people.
What I'd really be interested to see is how the cost and materials used compares to that of traditional construction. It's a well known fact that building new housing is an incredibly inefficient process with a lot of materials wasted in during construction. Methods like this provide a great opportunity to reduce the amount of waste generated as there's no excess material left over once construction has completed. Further refinement of the process could also ensure that post-construction work, like cabling and wiring, are also done in a much more efficient manner.
I'm interested to see how inventive they can get with this as there's potentially a world of new housing designs out there to exploited using this new method. That will likely be a long time coming however as not everyone will have access to one of these things to fiddle around with but I'm sure just the possibility of a printer of this magnitude has a few people thinking about it already.
Liquid nitrogen is a scientific staple that I'm sure we're pretty much all familiar with. It's a great demonstration of how the melting and boiling points can vary wildly and, of course, everyone loves shattering a frozen banana or two. However seeing the other stages of elemental gases is typically impossible as getting the required temperature is beyond the reach of most high school science labs. However there is a trick that we can use to, in essence, trick nitrogen into forming a solid: reducing the pressure to a near vacuum. The results of doing so are just incredible with the nitrogen behaving in some really peculiar ways:
The initial stages of the nitrogen transitioning into a solid is pretty standard with the reduced pressure resulting in the superheated boiling, plunging the temperature of the remaining liquid. The initial freezing is also something many will be familiar with as it closely mimics what happens when water freezes (although lacking water's peculiar property of expanding when freezing). The sudden, and rather explosive, crystalline formation after that however took me by surprise as I've never really seen anything of that nature before. The closest thing I could think of was the fracturing of a Prince Rupert's Drop although the propagation of the nitrogen crystalline structure seems to be an order of magnitude or two slower than that.
What really got me about this video is that it wasn't done by a science channel or vlogger, it's done by a bunch of chefs. Liquid nitrogen has been used in various culinary activities for over a century, mostly due to its extreme low temperatures which form much smaller ice crystals in the food that it chills. It should come as no surprise really as there's been a huge surge in the science behind cooking with the field of molecular gastronomy taking off in recent decades. It just goes to show that interesting science can be done almost anywhere you care to look and its applications are likely far more wide reaching than you'd first think.
I remember attending an exhibition about Leonardo Da Vinci a couple years ago and I was astounded by the complexity of some of the machines he created. It wasn't just that he'd figured out these things where no one else had, more it was some of the things that he designed didn't seem possible to me, at least with the technology he had available to him at the time. Ever since then I've had something of a fascination with mechanical structures, marvelling at creations that seem like they should be impossible. My favourite example of this is Theo Jansen's Strandbeests, a new form of life that he has been striving to create for the better part of 25 years.
All of his designs are essentially tensegrity structures (I.E. all parts of the structure are under constant tension) arranged in such a way that when an outside force, in this case the wind at a beach, acts on them they're able to walk. His initial designs only functioned when the wind was blowing however further designs, many of which you can see in the video, are able to store wind energy and then use it later through some rather clever mechanical engineering. Unfortunately I couldn't find the best video which has Theo explaining how they work as that one also shows another Strandbeest he created that would avoid walking itself into the ocean (something which I'm still not sure I understand how it works completely).
The idea of creating a new form of life, even if it doesn't meet the 7 rules for biological life, is a pretty exciting idea and one that's found an unlikely form of replication: 3D printing. After many people made their own versions of his Strandbeests (I even printed a simple one off, although it broke multiple times during assembly) Theo has made the designs available through Shapeways, essentially giving the Strandbeests a way to procreate. Sure it's not as elegant as what us biological entities have but the idea does have a cool sci fi bent to it that tickles me in all the right places.
Taken to its logical extreme I guess a Reprap that printed Strandbeests that assembled other Repraps would be the ultimate end goal, although that's both exciting and horrifying at the same time.
Nature is full of patterns. For the most part these all have an organic feel to them, usually due to the soft curves or seeming randomness that's inherent in it. Artificial things, like those constructed by man, have the opposite feel to them. Nothing highlights this more than when you compare the view of areas like sand dunes or dense forests against that of a city skyline. However every so often the lines between these two worlds seem to blur together with nature producing something that looks like it was forged by hand rather than by the natural processes of the world. One such example of this, and one I wasn't aware of until I saw this video, was the creation of salt cubes in the Dead Sea:
There are many processes by which things like this can occur, Bismuth is a great example of this, taking on shapes that look down right otherworldly in origin, unlike many other minerals that take on much more organic shapes in their natural form. However in the case of Bismuth as well as these salt cubes there's a simple explanation behind why they end up looking the way they do. For these salt cubes it comes down to the microscopic nature of the molecule, namely sodium chloride (table salt), manifesting itself in macro form.
The Dead Sea is a giant salt lake with an average salt content of around 35%. This is the perfect environment for salt crystals to form and since the solution is so saturated with salt the amount of impurities that make it into the crystal are relatively low. Thus the crystal structure grows in the most idyllic way which just so happens to be a square lattice. Whilst the cubes shown in the video are relatively small the limit on their size is no where near that, with square crystals able to grow up to several kilograms in size. If you were so inclined you could probably grow one several meters in size in a laboratory although the usefulness of such an activity would be highly questionable.
But you would have a giant cube of salt, no one could argue with that


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Blackberry braised red cabbage with venison
Cooking timePrep: 15 mins Cook: 1 hr, 10 mins
Skill levelModerately easy
ServingsServes 4
Red cabbage dotted with berries perfectly cuts through game meat - serve with buttery mashed potatoes
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- Freeze cabbage only
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- kcalories
- 385
- protein
- 42g
- carbs
- 34g
- fat
- 9g
- saturates
- 4g
- fibre
- 7g
- sugar
- 32g
- salt
- 0.4g
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- 1 tbsp butter
- 1 red onion, thinly sliced
- 1 small red cabbage (about 600g/1lb 5oz), cored and thinly sliced
- 5 tbsp balsamic vinegar
- 3 tbsp soft brown sugar
- 1 tsp mixed spice
- 2 tbsp redcurrant jelly
- 4 venison steaks (about 175g/6oz each)
- 175g blackberries
- 2 tbsp crème de mure or crème de cassis (optional)
- 1 tbsp oil
- mashed potato, to serve
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- Melt the butter in a large saucepan, add the onion and cook slowly for 10 mins until really soft. Add the cabbage, vinegar, sugar, mixed spice and half the jelly along with 100ml water, then season. Bring to the boil, stir, then cover with a lid. Cook for 40 mins over a medium-low heat. Meanwhile, remove the venison from the fridge to come to room temperature.
- Add the blackberries and crème de mure or crème de cassis, if using, to the cabbage mixture. Continue cooking, uncovered, for 5-10 mins until the liquid has evaporated and the blackberries have broken down slightly.
- Heat a frying pan until hot. Rub the venison steaks with the oil, then season. Cook in the hot pan for 4-5 mins on each side, depending on thickness, for medium-rare. In the final 1 min of cooking, add the remaining jelly to the pan and spoon it over the steaks as it melts. Remove the steaks from the pan and leave to rest. Serve the cabbage and venison with mashed potato.
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We stayed 8 nights in Samara and one of our discoveries was MA MA GUI and the pleasure of getting to know Gigio, the restaurants' new owner. We had dinner two nights and returned a third evening just to have the delicious tiramisu. The thin pizza is some of the best that I had eaten in my many years of...
We went here twice while staying in Samara and both meals were excellent! The service is excellent, good prices. We had the a variety of pasta meals and shared a pizza for the appetizer and enjoyed everything we ordered. The pasta is perfectly cooked, we took advantage of their specials and they were delicious as were meals ordered off of...
Had the proverbial pizza and salad here and we were not disappointed. Lovely thin crust with good toppings on the veggie pizza. Nice salad to accompany pizza...one was enough for the two of us. Good service. Recommended.
Every year I come back to Samara, I try this place and I am constantly disappointed. Tonight as usual the pizza was virtually empty of ingredients and the service was hostile. The wait staff are aloof to the point of snobbish and the atmosphere is non existent. The spaghetti carbonara was dreadful and had way to much ground pepper almost...
Ma Ma Gui creates very good thin crust pizzas. We had a variety of them over our time here (a vegetable one, a margherita with pesto, and a meat option), and they are also more than happy to wrap up any leftovers for you to take home. I really enjoyed it- and we are picky about our pizzas!
I could not believe I was eating such delicious pizza in the small town of Samara. I had a basic pizza with sausage and mushrooms. It was thin crusted with the perfect amount of sauce and cheese.
Also had the wonderful goat cheese salad. Very friendly wait staff.
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For ultimate windward performance, nothing beats a deep-fin keeled sailing sloop with a tall, high aspect ratio Bermuda rig (also known as a Marconi rig).
Low aspect ratio sails are short and squat while high aspect ones are tall and narrow, or long and narrow like the wings on a high-performance sailplane.
But unlike sailplanes - which, being unrestrained by land or water, are always heading directly into the apparent wind - we sailors aren't always beating to windward.
In fact most of us go to some lengths to avoid it if we can.
Very high aspect ratio sloop rigs are only really appropriate for racing sailboats, where windward performance is vital for success.
Such rigs rapidly lose their efficiency when even slightly off the wind, which is why successful racing sailboats carry an extensive sail wardrobe with sails to cater for all conditions.
This is a route we cruising sailboaters don't want to go down, so the extreme versions of sloops aren't for the likes of us, particularly as we may have difficulty of getting eight crew members to sit out when going to windward...
Sailing sloops with moderate rigs though, are probably the most popular of all cruising sailboats.
With just a single mast, two sails (a foresail or headsail, and a mainsail) and the minimum of rigging and sail control lines they are relatively simple to operate and less expensive than two-masted ketch rigs.
There are two sailing sloop variants - masthead rigs and fractional rigs.
The masthead sloop is the simpler rig of the two, with the forestay attached at the top of the mast. Foresails of various sizes can be set on the forestay, from small 'working' jibs through to large 130% deck-sweeping genoas.
Incidentally, foresails are called jibs if the clew of the sail doesn't reach farther aft than the mast and genoas when it does. So the 'luff perpendicular' of a 130% genoa is 30% longer than the distance between the mast and the stemhead - known as the 'J' measurement.
Deck-sweeping genoas such as these create a wide blind-spot off the leeward bow. Unwanted surprises and chance encounters will be far fewer if the clew is cut higher, providing forward visibility from the cockpit under the foot of the sail.
Nowadays however, the headsail is set on a furling gear, with the mainsail being either slab-reefed or equipped with in-mast or in-boom furling gear.
With the fractional rig the forestay is attached at a point further down the mast, leaving the top section of the mast unsupported from forward. To maintain sail area the smaller jib is compensated by a larger main, which provides the following benefits:
And of course there are downsides. The primary one is the requirement for running backstays to tension the forestay and keep the mast in column. These must be properly handled during tacking and jibing or you risk damaging, or even losing, the mast.
All offshore sloops should have the capability of rigging a temporary inner forestay for hanking on a storm jib. Set on the 'outer' forestay a storm jib can cause lee helm, which is really what you don't want in heavy weather.
The inner stay is stored against the mast when not in use, and deployed by attaching to a strongpoint on the foredeck using one of the several tensioning devices designed for this purpose.
Sail handling may all get a bit too much for a shorthanded crew on a sailing sloop any longer than 45 feet or so, without reliance upon power-driven sail-handling devices.
At this point split rigs (particularly the ketch rig) with their smaller individual sails begin to look attractive.
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Death to Churches
While the mainstream media, government officials and so on try to portray these attacks as products of poverty, the fact is, wherever there are significant numbers of Muslims, churches are under siege.
Last Sunday, many Christians around the world celebrated Easter, taking for granted that they can congregate and worship in peace. Not so in the Islamic world, where top religious officials call for the destruction of churches, Christian holidays celebrated in church are increasingly a time of death and destruction, and a time of terror.
Nigeria, for example, saw some 50 Christians killed "when explosives concealed in two cars went off near a church during Easter Sunday services in the northern Nigerian city of Kaduna….the casualty figure may go up because some injuries were really critical." The church targeted was "the Assemblies of God's Church near the centre of the city with a large Christian population and known as a major cultural and economic centre in Nigeria's north." According to the pastor holding Easter services at the time, "We were in the Holy Communion service and I was exhorting my people and all of a sudden, we heard a loud noise that shattered all our windows and doors, destroyed our fans and some of our equipment in the church."
There is little doubt that the Islamist group Boko Haram ["Western Education is a Sin"] is behind the terror strike. Boko Haram has long been targeting churches—most glaringly, last December 25, when several churches were bombed in the Muslim majority areas of Nigeria, in what was described as "Nigeria's blackest Christmas ever: then, over 40 Christians were slain, "the majority dying on the steps of a Catholic church [in Madalla, near the capital of Abuja] after celebrating Christmas Mass as blood pooled in dust from a massive explosion." As usual, the charred and dismembered remains of Christian worshippers were seen scattered in and around the destroyed church.
While the Christmas -- and now Easter -- church attacks may be Nigeria's most known, they are certainly not the only ones. The last six weeks alone reveal:
While the mainstream media, analysts, government officials, and so on, try to portray these attacks as products of Nigerian poverty, the fact is, wherever in the world there are significant numbers of Muslims (Nigeria's population is half Christian, half Muslim), churches are under siege (see sections dealing with church attacks in the "Muslim Persecution of Christians" reports for February, January, December, November, October, September, August, and July).
Some of the more spectacular ones include the Baghdad church attack where 58 Christians were killed; similarly, the New Year's Eve church bombing in Egypt that saw over 20 Christians killed (when several more churches were bombed and attacked, and thousands of Egyptian Christians demonstrated, they were slaughtered by their own military); earlier, in 2010, eight Egyptian Christians were shot dead by drive-by Muslims as they were leaving church on Christmas Eve.
Further, Muslim attacks on churches during the holiest of Christian holidays are not limited to Nigeria and Egypt, but occur throughout the Muslim world—for instance, in distant, "moderate" Philippines, where another church was bombed during Christmas.
Of course, there are some Muslim nations—Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and soon possibly Kuwait—where one rarely hears of church attacks; but only because they have nipped the "church problem" in the bud by not allowing them to exist in the first place. The hatred for churches is still there, but in an unseen form.
What an efficient way church attacks are, with worshippers tightly gathered in one spot, to ensure the deaths of maximum numbers of Christians.
Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum.
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Shurb Rose VS Hybird Tea Rose
Living in zone 6 I pick hardy shrub rose over HT rose anytime even if I lived in a warmer zone where HTs don't get winter die back I would still pick shrub rose
the way most HTs roses look in Zone 6
newbies do not fall for Hybrid teas even after 100 yrs it will only be 1 or 2 feet tall in zone 6 with maybe 5 or 10 blooms you are much better off investing your money into a carefree shrub rose no spraying no black spot no slaving
This post was edited by Hrose on Sun, Jul 20, 14 at 17:13
To each their own. You can't really make blanket statements like that. I have many shrubs roses that do not ever get to be big bushy plants covered in blooms like your picture. As a matter of fact my floribundas and poyanthas do a better job of that then most of my shrub roses. And personally I think that photo of your HT looks fabulous! Big, bushy, healthy and blooming it's head off!
Some of my shrubs do have some lovely blooms, Quietness comes immediately to mind, but most of them are pretty ho hum in size and form for me. Nothing like the enormous, gorgeously shaped hybrid teas I have.
I'm sorry to hear your HTs never get very big. I have many that reach 5 or 6 feet each season. I have found that you really don't HAVE to prune them all down each spring like "they" say. I never just routinely prune my HTs down to "12 to 18 inches" in the spring as recommended in a lot of pruning guides. I only prune down to where there was winter kill and my roses seem to be very happy with that. Of course there are exceptions, like this past winter, where they did have to be pruned right down. But even so they're bouncing back wonderfully and a couple of previous one cane wonders have even seemed to be having new life they never had before.
jim 1961 I have four HTs myself two in the ground and two in planters The majority of my roses are winter hardy shrub roses made in Canada for Canadian weather
boncrow 66 I planted Morden blush and the one in the picture you see is Champlain rose very popular winter hardy to zone 2 has won many awards I can tell you from experience its vigorous grower
if you looking for hardy shrub roses search for Morden Parkland and Explorer series
"The Parkland series is a set of rose varieties specially developed to survive the Canadian winters by Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC) at Morden Research Station in Manitoba. They are exceptional for their hardiness in Canada. They require minimal care and are environmentally friendly, needing minimal sprays. They are hardy down to -35 C with only snow as protection, are disease resistant, flower repeatedly throughout the summer, require only minimal pruning and come in a variety of colours and sizes. See also their Explorer Series."
seil I;ve planted about 12 shrub roses this spring and all are growing vigorously maybe you didn't amend your soil before planting or something's wrong with your rose any plant will grow vigorously under the right conditions my Morden blush rose bush is in partial shade and already 2 times bigger then when I bought it and loaded with blooms again
The one and only thing HTs have over shrub roses is their bloom form which is supported by a 2 to 3 ft cane with many leaves long time in the making
"enormous, gorgeously shaped hybrid teas I have" hard to believe if your are living in zone 6B
This post was edited by Hrose on Sun, Jul 20, 14 at 22:12
Hrose - I do agree, your shrub rose is very lovely. I think, we as rose growers don't necessarily all want the same thing when it comes to our roses. Personally, I grow hybrid teas for the individual beauty of the blooms and most of the bushes they are growing on are healthy. While it is true that HT's aren't all loaded with blooms, some of them are fairly floriferous with two dozen or more blooms per flush, that's not unusual at all for my HT's. While I am most familiar with HT's and floribundas I am especially becoming interested in some of the old garden roses and have begun growing a few, and am very pleased so far.
This post was edited by Sara-Ann on Sun, Jul 20, 14 at 22:54
yeah it is a matter of personal taste what grows best and what is best suited for your zone in my zone 6B HT roses are stripped half naked due to black spot and completely leafless due to black spot by end of summer they may get 3 even 4 ft tall but come spring time they are dead down to only a few inches above soil level really looks bad in the landscape having nothing there or very little for most of the year
I have two left in the ground and probably will replace them next year with shrub roses The only HTs I will have left is the two in my planters where HTs look good in my zone they just don't get big enough for in ground I want big bushes like you see in the movies
sara ann looks like you need some mulch around your roses otherwise looks good
This post was edited by Hrose on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 9:25
Different strokes for different folks. I grow a little bit of everything in my garden. My Blushing Pink Knock Out is a beautiful garden display but is almost useless as a cut rose. I give cut roses out to all the neighbors and they always head for the HT's. The children go strait for the mini/minifloras. If all I wanted was a flowering shrub, I would be growing a lot of everything but roses.
you shoulve gotten the double knock out
most ROSE shrubs make for excellent cut flowers for example my Morden blush bush you can see in the picture would look lovely in a vase anyway I'm not interested at all in cut rose to hand out to neighbors or for myself
This post was edited by Hrose on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 11:38
As I've probably mentioned before, I like a variety of different types of roses for different reasons.
I have around a dozen or so HTs (and they are not blackspotted or leafless)
I have over a dozen Austins
I have around a dozen or so floribundas and other modern shrubs
I have around a dozen or so hybrid musks and other OGRs (Bourbons, polyanthas, hybrid perpetuals, etc.)
I have around a dozen or so mini roses
I have 4 climbing roses
And I love 'em all!
To tell the truth, I never quite understand gardeners who turn so strongly against HTs as they embrace OGRs. If my HTs looked the way they describe their hated HTs, maybe I would be revolted by them also, but my HTs have never looked like that--and I don't do anything special for my HTs. Just water and feed and occasionally spray them (couple times in the spring and a couple times in the fall).
That said, HTs are not my favorites, but I have nothing against them either.
My roses are similar to what Kate described in category, but I only have about a half dozen Austin's. I prefer OGR's and like Hybrid Teas in what I view as an appropriate placement. It is a matter of preference. I think that the rose selected should compliment the setting, which varies.
Horse, if you check out Seil's posts, she has submitted beautiful images of her very healthy roses; inclusive of Hybrid Teas.
This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 15:32
Thank you Hrose. Yes, I do need to have my roses mulched, I'm well aware of that fact.
I think it is great that because we all have varying tastes in what we like or dislike in a rose that there is no shortage of varieties or types of roses to choose from.
Location, location, location. A lot of people live in places where growing HTs is going to be difficult, and they should be encouraged to try roses that they are going to be more successful with.
Desertgarden, the analogy is more like
I can grow roses and many other things without any supplemental watering.
My reality is the only *real* reality.
Therefore, you should be able to grow anything you want without watering.
Saying that disease pressure does not vary is just as divorced from reality.
I just don't like people to make blanket statements like this as if they are facts. You can grow most any rose anyplace. You just have to determine what level of investment you are willing to give to your roses. I try to encourage people to grow what ever roses they like to the best of their abilities. I don't feel I have the right to discourage them from growing something THEY love because I don't care for it. If you want to state the reasons why YOU prefer one rose over another, fine. But I don't think you should tell other people that they should only grow those as well. And making statements that HTs only do this and shrubs always do that is not accurate. As mad said, location plays a HUGE role in how any rose preforms. HTs can and do get very large for me and bloom quite well. Some shrubs are pipsqueak small here and stingy. It just depends on the individual rose and the place it's growing.
Gardening and the ideal plant is so dependent on personal taste. For one person a rose that is full of brand new leaves and is two feet tall is perfect and another may call that a weak plant because it is not four feet tall full of seasons worth of leaves. Some want the v shaped ht form with few leaves and long stems while another is looking for a green mass with roses hung on it to each their own
On the other hand a title like "shrub rose" is more a marketing term to describe a shape. It is better to see what type of rose it is when deciding it if is appropriate for your area
But I am always sad when some one is disappointed they planted an apple tree based on recommendations and did not get a single good orange....
"Location, location, location. A lot of people live in places where growing HTs is going to be difficult, and they should be encouraged to try roses that they are going to be more successful with. "
this is what I'm trying to do encouraged people to grow roses that are best suited for their zone so they don't end up disappointed
seil my two HTs in the ground that get full sun are "pipsqueak small and stingy"
my shrub roses are lush with vigorous growth I'm not just saying this I can prove it with pictures if you want and I think most people would agree that shrub roses dwarf HT roses especially in zones where HT roses suffer die back year after year
This post was edited by Hrose on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 17:44
Mad Gallica,
Good analogy.
I wish it were true!!
We get 4.5" or less of rainfall annually and water everything. Few Cacti and succulents can survive without supplemental watering.
This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 19:05
seil you need to calm down I think the summer heat is getting to you
you need to accept the facts that a lot more people will be successful growing winter hardy disease resistant ORIGINAL shrub roses rather then HTs especially in zone 6B all the way to zone 2
you like your HTs you work hard for their blooms that's fine and dandy good for you
All I'm trying to do it encouraged people to grow roses that are best suited for their zone so they don't end up disappointed like myself when I was new to gardening and I planted HTs after winter the stems were all black and brown
And no I didn't just get lucky I planted roses that are disease resistant and suitable for my zone
This post was edited by Hrose on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 19:37
Hrose....I'm going the same direction as you. Cutting way back on the HT's in favor of floribundas (especially the ADR rated ones), modern shrub roses (especially the Easy Elegance series & the Dr. Bucks), a few select OGR's & an assortment of the hardy shrub rose (such as the Ag Canada roses). I'm definitely looking for better disease resistance & better winter bounce back, so far the Easy Elegance & ADR floribundas have been really impressing me. Have you seen the book "EVERYDAY ROSES" by Paul Zimmerman? This book really addresses a lot of the things you are looking at in your rose growing.
wirosarian finally somebody that can relate to me Thanks I will check out the book someday my four HTs I have left already have black spot my shrubs I planted this spring Morden blush and Champlain no sign of black spot good luck with your roses...these people and their high maintenance HTs you gotta be carefull what you say they get moody quick..
This post was edited by Hrose on Mon, Jul 21, 14 at 22:21
Ken if that's how you interpreted what i'm saying then your way wrong buddy nice try tho
Go ahead and grow whatever you want at your house heck you can even plant some tropical plants in zone 6B I don't care all i'm trying to do is encourage people to grow carefree roses that are best suited for their zone how many times do I gotta say it if you want to plant HTs that will require high maintenance in your zone be my guest
the majority of people couldn't care less about spraying or even watering
This post was edited by Hrose on Tue, Jul 22, 14 at 11:23
I grow all kinds of everything just as long as it doesn't die, and don't spray... I have always wondered how a rose is named 'shrub',.... I have HT's, OGR's, Chinas, Noisettes, Old Teas, Mini's, Floribundas, Knock-outs...some look 'shrubby', but are not called that whilst some 'shrub' roses look like the other named types... what 'lineage' does a shrub-rose have? How is 'shrub' different from the other named-type roses? Can a Noisette be a 'shrub'? how abt. a China? When I look at a rose catalog and it lists 'shrub', what am I looking at? what is it's ancestry? , is it a HT , or a Drift, or a KO? Did I get lost in this query? or do I make any sense? LOL, sally
Definition of shrub rose
"Shrub describes the shape or habit of the full grown plant. In contrast to hybrid tea and grandiflora roses which tend to make long canes, not to branch very much, and not to branch out very widely, shrub roses tend to branch much and are frequently as wide as or wider than they are tall.
Modern Shrub is an official ARS class for shrub-like roses that do not fit into other classes.
Thus, hybrid rugosas, hybrid musks, and modern shrub roses can all be examples of shrub roses. In fact, many good floribundas might be described as shrubs as well.
" "A class for all those roses which don't fit into any other class.
Types of roses subclassed as shrub roses are the hybrid musks, hybrid rugosas, and modern hybrids of species roses.
The "unclassifiable" shrub class includes diverse habits, sizes, and flower forms. Shrub roses can be upright bushes, loose, mounding shrubs and can often be trained as climbers.
Some of the more modern shrub roses include Kordesii shrubs, groundcover Meidiland, the Knockout series and English roses. They are particularly useful mixed with herbaceous plants in boarders and mixed beds."
http://d avesg arden.com/guides/terms/go/3458/
Missmary its a Champlain Hardy Shrub Rose
more info
pictures link http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=1062&tab=36
"Bred in Canada. Won the Classic Shrub Rose award four times from 1999-2001, and the Shrub award from the Patrick Henry Rose Society in 2001."
This tough shrub performs well across the country, surviving hot and cold temperatures with ease. Introduced as one of the Explorer Series of roses out of Canada, it holds its neat, compact habit and floriferousness in all climates, a most uncommon feat amoung shrub roses. Loads of true red, semi-double to double blooms are borne in clusters, produced in everblooming array from Spring to Fall. Autumn finds the blooms accompanied by round orange hips. Abundant, lustrous, dark green foliage has topnotch resistance to insects and disease. A great choice for both specimen and mass planting. Grown own root. Flower Size: 2-1/2 - 3". Fragrance: Slight. Hybridizer: Svedja, 1982.
I've been a perennial gardener for over 20 years only adding roses into the mix for the last few. And from my perspective ALL rose plants are shrubs.
It's about the right plant for the right place that meets meets the goals of the gardener and not classifications.
I think the point that is being missed in all this back and forth is that not everybody agrees that in Zone 6, HTs are more work and shrubs are supposedly more carefree.
NOT IN MY ZONE 6. They are both about the same amount of work and need about the same kinds of care.
Unless what is being recommended is a garden full of nothing but Knock Outs.
No thanks, not my style.
I just like any rose that is winter cane hardy, blooms decent, and has great Blackspot resistance because we do not spray.
My wife has MS and is starting to lose sight in her right eye so her MS is starting to progress.
So only the best roses will stay here so she can enjoy them while she still has some eye-sight left....
I do not know what the future brings so I'm leaning more toward the more trouble free roses for now...
I have had some so called VERY BS disease resistant non-hybrid tea roses fail here too...
But yet our Mister Lincoln plugs on without getting much BS at all... So go figure...lol
And if a person is willing to spray you can grow whatever roses you want...
Hrose--I'd be happy to show off my gardens.
Here is one of the two places where I grow my hybrid teas--along the Perfumed Path. (A couple of the roses are not in bloom there yet.)
Here is the other place I mainly grow hybrid teas (to hide my neighbor's ugly garage), but there are two hyrbrid perpetuals in there also (Mrs. John Laing--lighter pink).
Two hybrid teas--Oklahoma (red) and Valencia (buff/gold/apricot)--recently transplanted.
Two Kordes floribundas--Eutin (red) and Pomponell (pink)
Modern shrub--Clement's Braveheart (red); in background right side, Austin shrub Molineux (yellow/apricot/gold).
Hybrid musk Buff Beauty in foreground; grandiflora Earth Song (pink) in background.
Here's a couple Austins--my favorite shrub Munstead Wood (dark burgundy purple) and Queen of Sweden (light pink)
One of my seven Sweet Dianas (mini)
Wish I could show you a picture of my Boule de Neige (bourbon/noisette) but at the last moment, Horton notified me that they could not send it. That's my last open space in my yard, so I'm reserving it for next year in hopes that I can get a Boule de Neige then.
I hope you enjoyed the quick tour of parts of my gardens. I think they are probably typical of many gardens in that a variety of different types of roses are grown. And if I had more space and energy, I'd probably go on adding more types to my gardens.
I'd love to see pics of your rose gardens also, Hrose.
This post was edited by dublinbay on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 1:21
"so why don't you post a few pictures Kate lets see your style let us see what you got."
Oh my, Mistah hrose, ya'll do have a way with words. Ah'm all a-blush just readin' your suggestive request. Well, now that Miz Kate gone and displayed her glorious wares, 'spect ya'll be return in' the favor?
Lookin' forward,
Miz marti
P.s. That pic is how come I gotta have me some HTs
Lord! I do feel rich when I bring these inside.
Hrose, I love your "new" gardens. It will be so exciting to see them grow and fill out. I predict a gorgeous future garden.
And I love your deck and the whimsy of a giant sunflower towering over your new roses.
I think we both just proved our points. Some people prefer one type of rose garden, and others prefer other types of rose gardens--and they are all beautiful!
I just have to add, however, that about 5 years ago, I had very few HTs in my garden (2 Double Delights is all) because I had been so busy exploring other rose options for a number of years there. Then one day, I looked around and realized I MISSED THE HTs. That is why I created the Perfumed Path consisting of fragrant disease-resistant HTs. The second area where I grow HTs came about shortly thereafter when I realized the neighbor was never going to get around to fixing up his dilapidated garage. Since there is only limited space between the property line and my driveway, I had to plant "skinny" roses--hence the 2 hybrid perpetuals and the 7 vertical HTs in a long straight row (the only straight row in my entire yard; I take that back--have a short floribunda hedge out in front of the house).
I'm glad I added HTs back into my designs, but my Austins and hybrid musks are my first loves.
A quick observation from my own garden
Even though I am not spraying, no time or desire for that, I recognize that the first months worth of growing in my garden is really not representative for nursery bought plants that were treated by the grower and seller. They have to sell lots of happy healthy looking plants and in many cases also have gov ag programs to comply with. This means my no spray roses have probably had a lot of spray and systemics. The real test is how they look a year or two down the road.
For someone like HRose buying own root plants might be better in the long term. Yes it may require time and cold protection while they are babies. But then when the weather is bad and you have to cut them low you will get the same rose back.
Also HMF has the parent info when possible. It helps when you are buying a "shrub" rose that came from generations of HT
I agree with HRose, I am in zone 6a. HT doesn't do well for me here. I have close to 500 roses, half of them are landscaping roses for their beautiful colors, others are DAs, old garden roses, climbers & ramblers. I have a lot of knockouts, they give me a lot of free time for riding in the good weather. :-) I am a scooter rider, love my Vespas and Hondas. Gardening is not the only thing I do after work. Get a scooter/motorcycle everyone, get out of the garden,have some fun under the sun! :-) Any riders here??
I had lovely HTs when we lived in Connecticut. I sprayed fungicide biweekly for about two months in summer. That took about an hour every other week. Yes, the bushes were foliated from top to bottom. SIL in Jersey has very nice HTs. I enjoy teasing her about how large the Peter Mayle bush has become - he's taking over the garden but she doesn't have the heart to prune such an enthusiastic plant. Perhaps HTs need a higher level of culture than HRose was willing to provide to thrive in zone 6. Perhaps HRose chose HTs that aren't especially vigorous.
In Virginia I'm growing teas no-spray and enjoying the opportunity to try another class of rose. In local garden centers, the only roses available are Knock-out variants. I wonder where people are purchasing HTs. The only HTs that I've seen for sale in northern Virginia this year were body bags in Home Depot and Lowe's. If gardeners are purchasing low quality HTs, that may also explain poor results.
Great pics Kate!
I think I'm going to explore getting a few more HT's but will grow them in large containers next year.
Firefighters on my list so far...
Shrub type looking roses I'm thinking of adding Earth Song, Country Dancer to see how they do here...
Kate, your garden is lovely! Enchanting is certainly an appropriate description.
My garden is not old enough for me to have a valid opinion on this subject, I have an assorted mix if roses, about a dozen in ground and the same in containers, I have had a few BS problems with 2 of my HTs, but I have also had similar blackspot problems with another shrub rose nearby, yet my Chrysler Imperial (ht) and About Face (gf) are right up next to the heaviest BS area and are both still spotless, as well as the Lady of Shalott on the other side of the mess, so my results are mixed. I do not spray and if these 2 HTs don't shape up I may eventually replace them, but I am not immediately going to say they aren't worth my time, I will try experimenting with various organic fertilizers and see if anything helps. The experimenting and learning part of gardening is fun for me, so if things don't work out it's ok because that opens up a new space in my fairly small garden for something else. Trying new varieties keeps it interesting.
The thing that makes having my own garden so great is that I can choose to put whatever I want in it, I choose colors, scents and shapes that appeal to me. I personally take the time to research most things before buying them and if necessary I accept the possibility at that time that I may have to do this or that to keep them healthy. Every now and then I throw caution to the wind & buy something purely on impulse and just hope that I don't have any problems with it... I know, it's crazy! The gaul! But whatever ends up happening I am the only person who I have to answer to for my garden, it is purely a display of my own taste, I chose the plants, I chose where they were planted, I pruned them, watered them and fed them, my garden is one thing that is purely mine, imperfections and all & I find that to be friggin awesome.
Well, if I can type with thumb in mouth,...yes, still sulking no one lol'd my posted humor attempt.....I must say how i love the gorgeous pics. Kate, yours always blow me away, and oh, those Mordens! I want one! Jim1961, an lol for you. :). Hrose, I love shrubs, too. Floribundas are shrubs, right?
Here are my two favs: yellow Eureka and Hot Cocoa.
You can get a wimpy and disease prone 'shrub' rose as easily as you can get a hardy and disease resistant 'HT' one. People in this discussion are talking about HTs vs shrubs as if they are completely different plant species when really they are all in agreement that healthy and hardy roses are usually a better deal than sickly ones. In fact the main difference that is valid between the shrub and HT 'classes' is their difference in growth pattern. Genetics are all mixed up anyhow. That's my 2 (euro)cents worth.
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nice looking garden martinca looks good shrub roses are always more eye catchy to me because of the number of blooms
"Well, if I can type with thumb in mouth,...yes, still sulking no one lol'd my posted humor attempt....."
no worries I got a feeling most people here are square and lame
This post was edited by Hrose on Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 13:20
Since I didn't mention it above, I thought I'd just add that I don't spray very often in my gardens with the HTs and modern shrubs and older roses--maybe 2-3 times in the spring and once or twice in the autumn. I also don't spray all my roses every time--except for the HTs. and HPs. Some of the other roses never get sprayed or only sometimes get sprayed. Since I only buy disease-resistant roses nowadays, my roses aren't as needy in that respect--not even my HTs. And mid-summer is usually so hot here that even BS goes dormant for awhile.
Hmmm interesting Kate I remember when I sprayed a few times when I was a newbie didn't have much of an affect the rains would wash it all off
this forum needs a reply to a post button like most other forums the owners of this website are a little behind they didn't even have an edit button not long ago
This post was edited by Hrose on Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 13:17
Love that opened sunflower!
Nowadays, a lot of us use Bayer Garden Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs. It doesn't wash off in the rain. It kills any current BS and is systemic, thus acting also as a preventative. A lot of gardeners have found that they do not need to spray quite so often with this product.
And of course picking roses (including HTs) that are very disease-resistant also helps.
" "no worries I got a feeling most people here are square and lame" This post was edited by Hrose on Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 13:20"
I have found most people on this forum to be most helpful and want the best for other people gardening and spend time helping, even if we do not like the answer or have different tastes.
I know Bayer Garden Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs is not sold in NY, but can people use it in NY? Got really bad black spots on Morden Sunrise rose trees and some other roses. The weather has been too hot for sulfur spray.
I have to agree with the spirit of what Hrose has been trying to convey in this thread.
I greatly value the opportunity to see and enjoy all types of roses, but when I purchased my first rose plant as an ignorant newbie, I had never even heard of blackspot, nor did I realize that many roses were difficult to grow in my zone and required spraying. I carefully read all of the information on the tag and assumed if I planted the rose correctly and watered properly I would soon have as nice a plant as the ones I had grown up observing.
What an unpleasant surprise it was to gradually witness the sickly, inappropriate plant I had bought. Determined to find plants as healthy as the ones I had grown up with, I read as much as I could and haunted garden shops, observing the different kinds.
Imagine my indignation when I finally realized that the majority of roses being sold were made popular by a rather exclusive group of rosarians who would stop at nothing to keep their roses healthy, including poisoning every other creature around, and that this behavior was necessary to keep the majority of roses in commerce healthy in many gardening zones, including my own.
The very people who loved roses the most were making the breeding of unhealthy roses profitable!
All this happened years ago, when I was a young housewife raising two small children, and when the walnut trees I had planted in my back yard were still small, so I had plenty of sun and the right conditions--for the RIGHT roses. When I think of the years and years of disappointments with roses when I could have had vast enjoyment from them if the rose industry had not been promoting so many of the sickly, frustrating, disease-infested ones that have given roses a bad name to so many by this point I feel infuriated. That all happened before the time when most of us had internet access, and most books on roses still extolled the virtues of the hybrid teas to the exclusion of most of the other types. Even a rugosa was a rare acquisition back then.
I realize many if not most of the posters in this Forum take spraying as a matter of course, but a parent with young children or a sickly elderly parent, etc etc does not. It is not a healthy practice for you or the environment, and IMO you need to examine why you are willing to support an industry in such a manner that it is necessary. It is your purchases that shape the direction in which the rose industry will go. If you, who purchase the most roses, are going to acquire ones that MUST be sprayed, of course the industry will be happy to provide them, and then sell more and more others when those die. Meanwhile, people who are not rosarians but just love roses and want to plant a healthy one are going to have to look long and hard for a healthy one.
Even if you insisted on better labeling by the industry it would be helpful. That has gradually improved, but it still is nowhere close to what it should be.
A person can go out and purchase almost any other kind of shrub and gain some gratification from the process, but that is still not as true of roses as it should be. I did finally try a few of the "Hasslefree" roses and some reliable old standards I was at last able to locate, but my children essentially grew up with no idea of what a really good shrub a healthy rose could be.
Luckily I was able to afford the search and also able to replace the miserable sickly rose cheats I tried with other, healthier, plants, but what of those who still love roses but are working at minimum wage and save up to purchase a good plant for a Mother's Day gift or other family event only to in the end be bitterly disappointed?
I expect many of you to say "Caveat emptor", but maybe you will do better thjan that and take the essence of what Hrose has said to heart. The rose industry would be much the better for it.
Yes, I would hate to not see the old roses that really are not suited to our non-English climate disappear from American commerce, but I would like to see more insistence that the new roses being bred, be bred with healthiness as a major goal, marketed in the appropriate zones, and be clearly labeled as to their true needs so that the average person can judge whether a particular rose will meet his or her expectations.
"I greatly value the opportunity to see and enjoy all types of roses, but when I purchased my first rose plant as an ignorant newbie, I had never even heard of blackspot, nor did I realize that many roses were difficult to grow in my zone and required spraying. I carefully read all of the information on the tag and assumed if I planted the rose correctly and watered properly I would soon have as nice a plant as the ones I had grown up observing."
this reminds me of myself when I first started
eibren thank you very much for sharing your experience and bringing our attention to this poison fungicide it is another reason why everyone should plant carefree roses
unfortunately most here will stop at nothing to have picture perfect blooms for Gardenweb and pat each other on the back even if it means spraying with bayer fungicide they don't sell Bayer in Canada because its POSION to bugs
This post was edited by Hrose on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 10:16
You definitely and greatly over-estimate how much spraying many of us do. Many of us spray on a very minimal and limited and occasional basis. In fact, I don't personally know any of the obsessive types you are describing in such hyperbolic terms.
I don't think you know any of these people personally Katy neither do I and dont know how you think you can speak for anyone except for your yourself
anyway I do not want to argue with anyone everyone's got their own opinions all the info is here newbies can research in the future and make decisions for themselves
Patiricia43 What are you talking about?...are you a spammer? your of no help to anyone get out of my thread
This post was edited by Hrose on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 14:16
Sorry, HRose, I do not believe you are lacking in tact but that you have an agenda. You have no knowledge of posters' gardening practices.
As someone who has been posting here for 15 years, I do believe I know a bit more about these gardeners' habits and unlike you, I have grown roses of all kinds for decades.
You are here to stir the pot.
how many blooms on those HTs? 5? 10? one or two stem on each plant ha...and just because they don't have blackspot does not mean they will not get anyway
here is a shrub rose in my area when it was in bloom had at least 50 blooms uncared for left on its own
This post was edited by Hrose on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 18:17
I give those HT's credit for not having BS right now and blooming without any care...
Most people around here do not fertilize, water, or dead head roses either so not as many blooms as their could be for sure...
Yes that is a nice full shrub rose bush. What its name?
Of course it would look even better if it had more than one bloom at the present time...lol
I know its resting...
This post was edited by jim1961 on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 18:31
Hrose, a number of us have tried to be patient with you and not rudely put you in your place the way you rudely attack others. However, I'm in my 70s and don't need to put up with an arrogant child posturing and carrying on with no regard for anyone else. This is my last post to you--with one final observation. Everyone agrees with you that there are some wonderful and easy-care shrubs out there--so who are you fighting with and why?
I think the whole problem here is that we are trying to compare apples to oranges. HT's and Shrub roses are two different classes for a reason. If you are expecting HTs to grow and bloom in the same manner as Shrub roses then you surely will be disappointed. Same is true the other way around. If you are expecting Shrub roses to give you the large beautifully formed blooms of an HT you'll be disappointed too. You can not compare them to each other. That's unfair to both classes. In my experience if you try to even compare one HT against another you come up perplexed. EVERY variety of rose is DIFFERENT. They each have their own habits and no two are alike. You need to just enjoy and appreciate each one for it's own unique characteristics.
I like this thread. It's one of the best so far. It has heart and soul, you can feel people's love and passion about their shurb roses and HTs. It has carried out many wonderful rose photos, it's very educational for gardeners all ages. HRose, you might need to send Kate a bottle of Canadian wine, I am sure she will say hello again. :-)


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That's cool but who's going to buy a champion on release now? Seems kind of silly. I would rather wait a week and save 1500 ip.
about time something like this happened, if the first week price is the metaphorical price to drag the more obstinate money people into the 21st century of digital content then that's fine. (though seriously, the long term health of the game does require a lower barrier to entry then "HEY NEW GUYS, JUST PLAY RANDOM CHAMPS!"
this is a new way to earn some champions. Thanks Riot
How does the refund work for people who bought champions with RP? i bought ezreal on sale for 487 RP last week.
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I got brand on sale and Nocturne last week. Hope I get my refund here soon. Wish we could get the refund for ez and the others even if we had bought them before
I honestly think this was a great change. Although the new launch price is 7800 I don't mind. Its only 1 week before it changes back. And this way less people will have the new released champions. And there will be a lot of more price reductions this way :3 Every 3 new releases and a old champ gets reduced. Awesome .
When a new champion is released, will we also get a list of champions whose prices have been reduced?
Why is there no champs on sale?
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That sucks i bought all the champions last or the begging of this year and i will not get my rp or ip.
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