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Thursday, September 25, 2014
U15G - U15 Girls Youth Soccer
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554 you are mistaken
Region 1 league last year included CFC Arsenal which is the B team to the ECNL team called CFC United. The CFC club well understands at tryouts that the best kids are funnelled to the unitied teams after the ECNL ages.
Further my comment on B teams in rgion 1 wasn't intended to be limited to ECNL B teams. The NEFC B team (premier) played region 1 last year not their A team (Elite)
A testement of the times with the best teams scattered across too many leagues to provide consistent competition for the best players.
- December 2, 2014 at 6:50 AM
It is a market driven situation and the customers seem to be supporting a big variety of teams of leagues. It is driven as much by money as by the ability and location of the players.
Now there are options beyond the immediate local area for good players that want to pursue them and pay for them.
- December 2, 2014 at 8:23 AM
The uber competitive top level is in for some frustration because it is difficult to consolidate them in one place and they could benefit from playing with and against other uber soccer stars. Income disparity, transportation availability, scheduling conflicts are all road blocks to gathering together a top team.
But oh well, of all the challenges to face, not having the perfect soccer team is insignificant.
- December 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM
If your child is one of the top 5 players (assuming that a rank order is definable)on her team, the team at least plays region1 and top flight at Jeff cup, CASL, NEWSS etc, is not unhappy with the coach or the kids, would you try and get her on an equidistant ECNL team? Does it make a difference if she is a regional ODP player? Does it matter if her team is poised to play in the national league next year?
- December 2, 2014 at 9:08 PM
Only consider it if she is clearly the top dominant player on the team.
- December 3, 2014 at 8:04 AM
If she would make a competitive ECNL team and would get playing time you are putting her in the best possible position for recruitment. If she is going to play for one of the non-competitive ECNL teams at this age group (Continental, East Meadow) she may be better playing top flight with her current team at show case tournaments. The weaker ECNL teams will not make ECNL nationals or play against other strong ECNL teams at the regional tournaments. If you name the ECNL team you are considering I could answer your question.
- December 3, 2014 at 10:54 AM
PDA, FC Bucks and Penn Fusion under consideration.
- December 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Also possibly match fit though a little further than bucks and PDA but about the same as penn fusion
- December 3, 2014 at 11:01 AM
Daughter moved to one of the teams mentioned . I think PDA, FC Bucks, and Penn Fusion are good choices. We didn't consider Matchfit so cant give you opinion. All 3 coaches responded to an email. 2 of the teams invited us to practice. Email the coaches and go watch them play. They are all playing against each other soon. Good Luck.
- December 3, 2014 at 11:43 AM
The answer to the question lies in what your objective is. Sounds like your daughter is happy with her coaching and team. If playing and having fun is the objective then why move? If the objective is a D1 school with a scholarship, then the question is whether your daughter will be a top 5 kid on an ECNL club. You daughter will potentially go from top 5 to top 20-25 with something to prove. Then you need to ask how willing will your coach be to also pick up the phone and talk to a college coach. In my experience with a daughter who plays D3 is that nothing is more important in getting your daughter soon and getting a college coaches attention than an enthusiastic club coach supporter irrespective of the club. If your daughter is interested in playing in college at a D3 level, then I'd say, enjoy the time you have left in soccer. Your daughter realistically has 7 years of competitive soccer left. D3 or D1 will be a battle and a grind the first few years because you will have an underclassman competing for 30+ roster spots. Also, there is the view of big fish little sea or little fish in a big sea and where your daughter will be happiest. Sounds like she's the big fish right now, would she be happy as the little fish.
- December 3, 2014 at 12:29 PM
12:29 - You are correct - The objective of what you want from soccer should drive where you play. I do not think that you need to be a top 5 player on an ECNL team to get a D1 scholorship. For example , The top 5 players on PDA will easily get D1 scholorships, the number will probably be 14 or 15 players. The coaches of the ECNL teams will be calling college coaches and pushing for all players. The number of players they get playing at the highest college level is what justifies the $!!! The objective doesn't have to be college to play ECNL. The objective may be as simple as wanting to test herself at the highest possible level of soccer. There is no simple answer, it is a different answer for each player. I will agree, if the player is happy, loving the game, and her current team can help her reach her objective it doesn't make any sense to move.
- December 3, 2014 at 12:45 PM
Does it make sense for this kid to try ODP and see if she makes the regional pool? If so is the exposure there? Worried primary team won't get as much exposure and kid has high (possibly not realistic) college aspirations- ACC PAC10 . How do you know if the aspirations of the kid are realistic? No sense moving if not really in the game anyway...
- December 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Is the ODP selection process corrupt? If so does she have the right connections to get selected?
- December 3, 2014 at 3:00 PM
The state selection doesn't seem too hard its at the regional level. Don't know what that situation is regarding politics. Seemed like many different clubs represented so I tend to believe the politics aren't too bad there.
- December 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM
I would agree that the ODP Sate Selection appears to be non-political. But that is really tough to verify either way given ALL age groups and gender.
My biggest complaint about ODP is the fact they can invite 500 kids of the same agree group to 'tryout'. Sure, the standout kids can usually still be spotted but you can't form that way. At least in any meaningful sense. They need to improve the tryout process. Or better yet do some actual work and scout kids.
I do appreciate the fact that ODP is non-invasisve from a team perspective. They do not DESTROY teams in order to work. Like so many of the business academies.
- December 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM
Which business academies destroy teams?
- December 5, 2014 at 3:22 PM
Are you talking about 500 kids at regional camp?
They have the individual coaches of the scramble teams recommending kids for the id pool. If a scramble coach doesn't rate your kid, she almost certainly won't make the pool. However, it really then is a triple phased process. Your kid gets picked as 3-5 or so out of 18 from the scramble team to go into the "id" teams then they get picked as 40 out of 100 by several coaches doing evals over several days to make the pool and then they get picked 18 out of 40 to go to Boca- ultimate "prize". While all tryouts have some degree of luck: Did the coach look when she did something well or only glanced up from clipboard when she made a mistake? Does the coach appreciate my child's style of play? Only a relative few make it based on politics as evidence by the wide collection of coaches. Its not like there are one or two coaches trying to evaluate 500 kids at once.
- December 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM
question - on academy teams, or teams where coach is paid, do you give a large team gift or any team gift for that matter? just moved my daughter to an academy level team, and was unsure what was appropriate. or does a card suffice?
- December 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM
Do what PDA parents do, all give him individual gifts in order to keep in the inner circle.
- December 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM
4:02 Are you talking about all of PDA or a specific team?
- December 6, 2014 at 6:06 PM
Only required for players 4-30, first 3 are exempt from gift giving. But the optional winter sessions are mandatory, plus request some private training lessons. Otherwise no gift is needed.
- December 6, 2014 at 6:13 PM
Fun Question. Who is the best team in NJ? Who is the best team in PA? Answer with positives only. Let's see if we can answer a question without being negative or hateful towards other teams.
- December 6, 2014 at 7:56 PM
606 I think we all know which PDA they are referring to.
- December 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM
The Pda that lost today?
- December 7, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Not everyone lives in the PDA world to know which team who lost or what you are referring to.
- December 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM
I saw the Gunners lost today, no news on the other teams, but it is great to see that the other teams doing well. WC has won back to back games against the Gunners and it looks like the other ECNL clubs are stepping up their game.
- December 7, 2014 at 8:57 PM
The "inner circle" only exists on PDA South. Better get those Xmas gifts ready.
- December 7, 2014 at 10:55 PM
Can someone explain all the hate towards the PDA South team? I know there is a lot of negativity towards PDA as a club which is to be expected when you are successful, but the South team is not near the Gunners Level and its an OK team and yet they always are getting railed on here.
- December 8, 2014 at 10:19 AM
It is only a couple of people who are posting and hating on PDA South. Because it is anonymous and they are obsessed they have posted multiple times It appears like a lot of hate but its just a couple of haters whose team lost a few players to PDA South.
Good luck with the rest of the year.
- December 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM
4:02 C'mon man, you know that there are people on the team that post negative comments also.
- December 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM
Everyone associated with the south team knows all about the inner circle.
- December 8, 2014 at 6:03 PM
"Seeking "to benchmark itself against other soccer powers," the federation will also commission an as-yet-undetermined outside group to lead an independent assessment of its youth national teams and Development Academy system.
Starting in the 2016-17 season, it will also add an Under-12 division to the DA's existing U-13/14, U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups, and will increase funding for the DA's scholarship program in order to open up the nation's premier youth competition to players from humbler economic backgrounds."
*begins slow clap
- December 8, 2014 at 7:21 PM
DC Shore,
Your information cannot possibly be correct. I have read a lot on this blog that the exclusive pay-for-play system is the only way to develop the future of American Soccer. I've been told the best way to attract the highest quality players is to slap on the word Elite to whatever your doing, charge $2500+/ year and the masses will follow. You also get to charge a premium and are assured to get the highest quality players if the term Elite is somehow connected to the term development and bonus points if you have Academy in your title.
- December 8, 2014 at 10:27 PM
I sense sarcasm :)
If you study THE GAME enough the more you will come to many of my conclusions (maybe some nuance differences here and there). This action being taken is for GOOD reason. The betterment of the U.S. National game and U.S. soccer in general. I applaud this truly GREAT step.
- December 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM
You are right that these are good steps, but I also think the women's game is very far behind. I also think that our NCAA system is a barrier on both the men's and women's side.
- December 9, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Sure, but these are steps which will take root and more importantly hold in the next 3-5 years.
IMHO the women's and men's game are equally far behind. Just my opinion.
The athletic advantage the U.S. women had for so long has been negated by the upper echelon of team's. The U.S. men always have a puncher's chance to win but boxer's with a puncher's chance end up with a few upsets but more often than not look outclassed by boxers with true talent.
NCAA system does not help the U.S. National program agreed. Sure it supplies bodies but School Ball at any level is like a box of chocolates. You never know just what you're getting.
I can only hope the U.S. program becomes a network inter-connected leagues where a common-game or at least approach is shared and focus is exclusively on individual player development.
You do not need to travel to Disney to become a better player or see better competition. Dispel myths like this. Let players advance to higher teams based on principled agenda's focused on development and not 'stacking' teams to win...and collection huge checks.
We will all quickly see that state as populous as NJ can support more than one 'Elite' team. In fact there will be dozens. How much more enjoyable will it be to watch? How many more great experiences will player's get to enjoy? How much easier on everyone's pocketbooks? How much better for U.S. Soccer?
This is the type of mentality that I will enthusiastically support...even through the rough learning curve years.
I'm off my soap box...for now.
- December 9, 2014 at 7:41 PM
Not following you. There won't be more elite teams in the NE with these changes, especially if they are translated to the girls side, there will be fewer. It will be like the pre ECNL era Striker's teams. All the best players will come to the free team, with the best coaches, the best resources, and playing the best competition. Then there will be the next layer. Now if you consider the next layer "elite" also, maybe you are right that the technical level of soccer as a whole might be elevated with promised improved coaching instruction. This is the same model as in Europe which the US seems to want to adopt with its "consultants" yet to be specified coming in.
There is currently a serious dilutional effect going on in the US with all of these girl's leagues in play. No clear winner so the best kids are scattered and not concentrated. In the old USYSA model, the best teams qualified to play in the top competition leagues. There was no argument over who the best teams were since they all regularly played each other in various tournaments and region1 or national league. They all competed for a single championship. The best kids often then left their second tier team to go play at the top- which was clearly defined. There was a natural concentration of coaching and player talent together. Now we can have a great coach, but he doesn't have the talent because he isn't coaching in the ECNL or his club isn't an NPL club etc. We have eliminated the singular great teams led by great and charismatic coaches from the highest success and that is unfortunate.
I am glad that the USSF has finally recognized the "off year" loss to national level development. These are the birth years not associated with FIFA u17 world cup years. There is a u17 WC each year, but it alternates years between girls and boys. In 2014 it was girls. In case you didn't know, in this year's U17 WC the US did not field a U17 ('97)team because we failed to qualify. Anyone citing US women's soccer supremacy should take note of this fact. (and its not the first time- the '93 by u17s failed to qualify also) Further, in September the U20 were knocked out by North Korea and played extremely uninspiring, pedestrian, soccer. That team (technically birthdate on or after 1/1/94) was populated by more than half of the kids who were technically underage because they were carried along from the U17 ('95) national team 2 years before. You cannot tell me there weren't better 1994 birth year kids out there to have been chosen. The US even picked a 1998 "wunderkind" who put forward one of the weakest performances of the tournament. The US had to change its entire strategy when she couldn't hold her own at attacking mid. We then had to utilize Lindsey Horan in that position leaving us weak up top. Unfortunately Horan could not pass to Horan...
Now the system should be better at catching the off years (even years for girls- odd for boys). Other than that all the changes are directed to the DA and boys. The comments on Soccer America suggest there may be more on girls program enhancements in January, but I am not holding my breath. So at this point if you have a national level even year child, this is good news, otherwise not seeing a huge change in the landscape, but hope for more in January.
- December 10, 2014 at 8:53 AM
Hard to understand how the US will ever find and develop it best women soccer players until there is a financial incentive to do so. The current system requires good players to finance their own development and it does not come cheap. The selection pool is limited.
- December 10, 2014 at 9:20 AM
I wonder if part of the restructure will be to eliminate the Bradenton residency program. I think 6-8 of the current boys u17 ('98) are training overseas as strongly supported by Klinsman. As opposed to US women's soccer strongly discouraging Horan at PSG.
How much money does the USSF get from outside sources such as the MLS?
- December 10, 2014 at 9:55 AM
Any commits yet for 2018? The commits are starting for 2017, but haven't heard of any 2018s (despite that NYT article proclamations of 8th grade commits last year).
- December 10, 2014 at 10:33 AM
The best players have been to " unofficial", but invited visits but haven't heard of any definite commitments. Will though this spring.
- December 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM
Official college visits can only be offered to students in their senior year, and coaches (D-I & D-II) can only contact students after Sept 1st of their junior year, there's no kids in the class of 2018 that fall into these areas.
Nothing prevents a kid from saying "I'm going to XYZ University", but in terms of signing an NLI that's not going to happen for a while.
- December 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM
Good luck believing that those rules are followed. The reality is that the D1 college coach calls the kid's club coach and tells him he is interested in the player and says he will be in his office at a certain time to take calls. The player call the coach at that time and they set up an "unofficial visit". The player then verbally commits as early as spring freshmen year. Yes non binding but thought of very poorly if either party does not follow through.
- December 10, 2014 at 1:48 PM
What if there was a County type development system? Whichever county a kid lives in, they would have to play on that County's "Elite" team. The town clubs could charge a minimal "National Team Training" fee to all kids playing in that town to PARTIALLY fund the teams. There's many different directions this could go from there. In NJ for example there would be 20 or so teams. Some would be better then others but there could then be 2 or 3 flights, a North & South All Star team coming from that, the top flight playing neighboring States top flights etc. Just a thought, might it work?
- December 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM
Really to what end?
- December 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM
Who is going to want to pay a National Team Training Fee? The fees we all pay already are enough.
- December 10, 2014 at 2:26 PM
Very easy, if you have US Club and USYS collect a $1-3 fee for every registered player, you would have a substantial pool of money for both regional and national development. In that model, the entire pool of kids subsidize regional and national development but not to a very significant degree. There are 3 million kids registered with USYS.
- December 10, 2014 at 2:33 PM
Just a hypothetical scenario to discuss pros and cons. A County system would be partially subsidized to make it affordable to all, it would have teams moving up and down in flights, travel for practices would be reasonable, it would bring out the best talent locally, etc. What would be some negatives?
- December 10, 2014 at 3:11 PM
The biggest negative is politics which embeds itself into player selection. Just like coaches have preferred players on teams a coach for a county or regional team will have preferred players
If you don't think it's right just look at the PA ODP, there is a bias towards Penn Fusion. I have seen kids from NJ who play for Penn Fusion tryout for the PA ODP not NJ. Why, because the coach is from her club.
There is no way to get away from politics and biases.
- December 10, 2014 at 3:39 PM
@3:39 "There is no way to get away from politics and biases."
Agreed you can NEVER fully get away from it, but there is ways to limit it. There is an old saying in politics, "all politics are local". Maybe all County clubs, due to the fact that club members provide partial funding, have a limited oversight panel where each club gets 1 equal vote, regardless of the club size. If a County "Elite"coach is getting to political, even the smaller clubs would have equal power to vote out a coach or have the problems addressed somewhat.
But yes, nowhere in all corners of our society can you completely get away from politics. Of course this is all hypothetical, the Penn Fusions of the world would not exist under this scenario so ODP could not be biased towards them.
- December 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM
Cannot see the system fundamentally changing. The top clubs and leagues successfully exploit our system wherein players finance their own development.
- December 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM
Ans what is a "county club". Is there a county organization involved with these soccer clubs or leagues?
- December 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM
Lots of good comments above. And a few questions that will need to be answered but it is clear MANY of you see the potential in all of this. And yes it is just a first step.
"Not following you. There won't be more elite teams in the NE with these changes... Now if you consider the next layer "elite" also, maybe you are right that the technical level of soccer as a whole might be elevated with promised improved coaching instruction. This is the same model as in Europe which the US seems to want to adopt with its "consultants" yet to be specified coming in. "
--->forget the word Elite. As you elude to in the second half of your paragraph, YES I see an overall growth in the player pool for producing top notch players, some of which may participate in National Play. I compare it to acting though. The greatest actors still need a great supporting case. And we all know you can't have a team of GREAT players or the BEST Players. OK, a few European teams come close.
The point remains that if we funnel every player up, or at least try to, we will develop real talent amongst players. Right now the concentration is on building winning teams. Does anybody deny this?
The changes I see coming will grow the sport beyond its your popularity (participation-wise). You could see many more young adults play well into their 20's, at the Club Level. More importantly DEVELOPMENT will be the main focus. Winning at U14 amongst coaches/programs is nice but not the priority. NOT what they are judged on. NOT what they are paid for. Parents will not be marketed to. They will not be fleeced for THOUSANDS (really is insane) each season/year.
BETTER for U.S. soccer and better for our kids to be a part of such a program.
- December 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM
County teams...because that really takes the politics out of baseball! What happens if your county team has a coach that is not a good match for your daughter? What happens if a player is one of the best players in the country but lives in a county where the soccer is terrible? It is ok to say she will get funneled up, but once a month playing with girls of similar ability is not enough. It would be tough for a player to develop if they are practicing with kids not nearly as good as them. Why should we restrict the place a child can go and play soccer? Regardless of which league you like or hate, at the moment you have a choice. The costs will never go away because there is no money in girls soccer. Women's soccer helps cuts the crazy costs of college for 1000's of kids who get scholarships. To me that is much more important than focusing on developing 20 girls who can maybe beat the Germans. People continue to claim it's all about developing. What percentage of girls who played D1 college are even playing competitively at age 25? What are we developing for? We should be focusing on getting girls money for college and developing a love of the game.Stop focusing on the top of the pyramid as only the very few get there.
- December 10, 2014 at 9:16 PM
DC Shore - What is the European model you speak of? If you reference a model can you inform us as to how and where this model operates?.........Many of you are confused about the "European Model". And lets not forget the model you talk about is for the mens game. And lets not forget there are many countries in Europe that all have different models. The most common Model is one that is very similar to what is happening here. Players choose a local club team to play on. If they are good they get to play for their county team. (similar to ODP here). Scouts from premier league clubs take a very small number of players and place them in the academy of that club. The presumed European model that is designed for the men's game and is probably one of the richest sports in the world is not the answer for amateur youth girls soccer in the USA. America has been blessed in Women's soccer for a long-time. Now there are a few countries who can compete with them everyone is at a panic. It is not because America Soccer is getting worse, it is because Women's sports is gaining popularity and acceptance in many European countries so the international teams are improving.
- December 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM
Who is in a panic? It is interesting to analyze why teams from a county with such a huge pool of young players can struggle to compete with teams from countries that start off with significantly smaller pool of players.
Maybe it is because international competition is not the goal for most female players here.
- December 10, 2014 at 10:25 PM
I get the terrible impression that you are someone defending their Business Academy. How else can you justify this:
"What is the European model you speak of? If you reference a model can you inform us as to how and where this model operates?.........Many of you are confused about the "European Model". And lets not forget the model you talk about is for the mens game. And lets not forget there are many countries in Europe that all have different models. "
Are you asking or telling me something?
One moment it is "Can you inform us as to how...?", the next moment it is "And let's not forget the model you talk about..."
The European Model, can be further specified by saying the Spanish, or the German, or the Dutch models which YES historically based on the Men's program but in more recent years is now being adopted cross-platform with women. Remember the women's game let alone league's is newer to international competition historically speaking.
"The presumed European model that is designed for the men's game and is probably one of the richest sports in the world"
I have provided countless examples and links to this topic. The European model (again you can specify further with the countries above, is based on player development. Open system league play.
It can be argued that the U.S. women's game has not gotten worse, but the point I make (and so many others) is that our success was based on physical dominance and YES the lack of global participation. Not because we were really doing anything outstanding from a technical perspective.
We mostly out-athletes the competition. Sorry to burst your bubble.
In my honest opinion there are probably 3-4 countries who play a much superior technical game. And it will only get worse.
I'm not going to detail point by point my compete thoughts now but as you have seen in the past I will love time. And DON'T take my word for anything. Listen to what experts are saying and I will once again share links to sources like: http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2013/1/4/3833932/wasted-diamonds
"Employing and giving the poor a chance to play soccer without financially ruining themselves would solve the issue but instead it seems that the powers that be are happier with soccer being a hobby of the upper middle class. And then complaining about it."
- December 10, 2014 at 10:51 PM
"After all, we need U12 National Champions, otherwise how will we be able to identify the players of the future -- winning is everything. Yet, in the 30-plus years that we have had organized youth soccer on a mass scale, we have not yet produced even one truly world class player! In the long-term development of a soccer player, winning in any particular season means almost nothing. It is the playing and experimentation that are almost everything."
"I have spoken with many world-renowned soccer players and coaches over the 32 years I have been coaching. Basically, they all say we need the same things for to become great at soccer. We need creative players who can play in unique ways, more quickly, and who can score. We recognize the need, and yet beginning at age 8, we force our young players into more rigid and competitive teams where they are recruited to play certain roles so that the "team" can win. We wonder why when we evaluate players at ODP tryouts out of 100 players we see five who have the beginnings of flair, but the 95 other players seem to be cookie-cutter players. When do we allow them to be creative? When do we allow them to try to solve problems in unique ways? When do we allow them to experiment and enjoy the game? When do we allow them the opportunity to search for and learn new solutions, and to do so again and again, thousands of times in thousands of situations? The answer is: we don't."
- December 10, 2014 at 11:00 PM
Last post of the night.
Comparing the US Soccer Environment to the World's Soccer Environment
"Our "top" players stay in their age group or are kept in their age group, to win State Cups or other events. Their top players are pushed up, from an early age, to ensure they are developing their ability - not succeeding due to size and athleticism rather their "footballing" ability.
Our "top" players often play for Clubs with little vision or plan for youth development, and are dependent on the qualities of their individual coach, they often play in Clubs with little or no cooperation between coaches, teams and age groups - sometimes with decisions concerning travel and training made by parents or managers.
Their top players compete in Clubs, who have a vision on youth development, with a boss - who ensures the coaches are placing individual over team development, with an emphasis placed on training enough times (yearly, monthly, yearly) to allow players to develop specific areas of their game."
- December 10, 2014 at 11:03 PM
One difference with Europe is that the Women's Club's are affiliated with the Men's professional clubs. This means that a women's league on its own does not have to be financially self-sustaining and they are subsidized by the revenue of the whole club. And if you look at Germany, Sweden, and France where there are close links and established good professional leagues you have sen countries whose women's programs have developed well. We have very little link between our MLS and Women's League. But what happens in Europe is that Women have a viable year round program with high level competition. IMO, the person who said it earlier, that the US was better at soccer than world was because we played more and had more athletes than the teams that competed against us in years past. That is no more, and the European National teams have caught up to the US. There is something to be said about a system of professional soccer where there are men and Women's teams within a club.
- December 11, 2014 at 3:19 PM
Just to be clear though, while you are correct that the women's teams are affiliated with the men's teams (same club) they are more often than not financially independent. Especially in Germany. In other words they do get the benefits of awareness and affilition with long standing clubs but they have to 'earn their own' when it comes to the finances. So it's not like Bayern Munich (proper) invests heavily into the women's program on an annual basis. As you say though, the working benefits of the men's model is the end goal from all levels with these programs. ESPECIALLY from a development point of view. Granted this is a top down approach and it has not worked its way completely, or even substantially down the youth level...but it is heading that way and there are already much stronger strides in Germany than the U.S. as an example.
On the men's side...there is no comparison.
Est ist Das Model!
- December 11, 2014 at 4:29 PM
actually until clubs can sell youth players as the commodity that they are in Europe there really isn't much difference in the business model for girls and boys development in the US.
Will be interesting to see if the USSF recognizes the ECNL in their promised January release. If they do some sort of anti high school position, many of the role players, at least,on ECNL teams will go back to USYSA.
- December 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM
What do you mean "USSF recognizes the ECNL"?
- December 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM
So PDA Athletica beats PDA pride? Does that make Athletica the new B team? Seems like a lot of money to play inter club.
- December 13, 2014 at 10:08 PM
The Ultimate Closed System...LOL!!!
- December 13, 2014 at 11:14 PM
Yes , DC Shore, you can see it works well!
- December 13, 2014 at 11:44 PM
PDA has never lost a match. When it plays PDA.
And the best part is one set of parents gets to say "We beat PDA today".
- December 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM
"actually until clubs can sell youth players as the commodity that they are in Europe there really isn't much difference in the business model for girls and boys development in the US."
---> but don't you see...the incentive for the club is to develop players...they are rewarded for this.
If you don't believe/understand that the U.S. is behind I can't make you. However I'll ask the question again. How's it working out for our National teams?
- December 14, 2014 at 9:01 AM
Since you brought up USWNT.
Tied China 1-1
Lost to Brazil 3-2
Out with the old in with the New. I know the last coach got fired for that.
Not all women clubs are affiliated with the men side. AND I agree until clubs can get paid to develop players they don't care as long as they win.
- December 14, 2014 at 10:02 PM
Stole this from the LI forum because I thought it was interesting:
Your child might get seen and recruited by lower level college coaches at a local league or even high school. But if you think there are any ACC, Big 10, SEC, PAC12 , big east etc coaches looking for the stand out player in that venue, you would be mistaken. Those coaches must be convinced that your child can play at their level. They must see them playing quality competition. The best NEFC players play ODP just for that reason. The competition they face is weak. They prove they can play in the interregional. NPL and region 1 are questionable competition for these coaches. They are looking at national league and ecnl especially champions league and the top teams (who get scheduled to play against each other) at national showcases. The multitude of leagues has hurt many of the better players as it is now harder to show that they are of the level than it was years ago when the best players naturally migrated to the best teams in the state, which by u15, were generally coached by the best coaches. At that time it was much clearer which were the best teams because they were frequently playing against each other in region 1, top tournaments, to which they all applied, and state cup. Now there are top teams playing in all the leagues. The problem is that often they have difficulty finding anyone at their level to play. There are many more unbalanced games now that both top and lower level teams must suffer through than there were years ago. The better programs are recruiting from ecnl, national league, odp interregional and a few top national level tournaments. They might go and see a player of interest at a more local event near the school.
It is an urban myth that if a player is great they will be found no matter what team they play for and at any venue. The idea appeals to our American sense of fairness and reward for good work ethics, unfortunately it just isn't true. I won't even go into the international competition that is increasing scarfing up college spots.
- December 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM
There you go. How's it all working out for the National Teams? Not very well.
Tom Sermanni was fired because his coaching "philosophy" did not match that of the 'U.S. model'.
"Every coach that comes on has their own philosophy and stamp that they want to put on the game. For us, we're very American, attack-oriented, score goals until the 95th minute," she said. "That's how we are. I think that maybe the direction of the team wasn't going in the direction the federation had hoped, not only the Algarve result, but I think just in general."
So yeah, he was trying to get the team to the point where it did not have to rely on Abby Wambach's freakish physical capabilities (scoring headers in the final minutes of a game) and that takes time and "development". We have to 'win'! ...so yeah Abby...how is that working out for us?
Yeah, what you write 'mostly' resembles the way things are. Let's not argue the point at this time of whether or not it should be that way.
All things remaining the same, my advice is to walk any college you attend. Lots of Dummy coaches who are also lazy. So they prefer to be spoon fed. It's a nice business arrangement.
All of this said...how's this working out for U.S. soccer?
- December 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM
I noted on the ussoccer website that there have been several "Market Training Centers" in region 1 this year. Can anyone comment on the experience that their child has had? Has anyone advanced to national camp through these? Are they competitive? How are the kids chosen who are participating etc.
- December 17, 2014 at 10:25 AM
With nearly all the top local teams heading to Florida for the 3 main tournaments it makes me wonder how they can handle all the officiating. Must be 800 teams plus boys tournaments. Anyone have any history on the quality levels for officials at Disney? Hate to travel that far for high school kids. Thoughts? Prior experience?
- December 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM
Been a while since I was on here. One to correct one misconception about VA.
Last years' ECNL teams were not way beyond the USYS teams as stated. First thing, Mclean - Chantilly finished in Top 4 and the team is doing about the same as last season. Not a big improvement.
And while ABGC has improved FCV, last year's FCV ECNL team scrimmaged State Cup runner up (and the team that beat Chantilly Elite) and it was a tie and very even game.
Last year, FCV game within a couple second of beating Mclean. ABGC has improved FCV, but it wasn't like last year's team was way below the top USYS teams.
Other than ABGC, last year's team probably had more talent than the USYS team but could never gel because they were put together in June, didn't practice over the summer until mid August, and then asked to plan an ECNL schedule and top brackets against elite level teams that had been together for a while. They also had a roster of 17 and 3-4 girls were hurt every week. The coach was playing girls out of position.
It was a no-win situation and FCV coaching was partly to blame.
Most of the girls who left FCV are now on Bethesda ECNL, Mclean ECNL, or the three top USYS teams (Vienna, Chantilly, and Herndon)
Look at Chantilly Storm, WAGS D2 team that got one of FCV's ECNL a player from Harkes, a key player from Loudoun and Chantilly won WAGS D1. A 1-0 score beating Herndon a week after FCV beat Herndon by the same score.
Headed to R1 league and according to many on ASA and Vienna - the touchest team they faced in the Fall because that team has a very fast, technically strong midfield with very good possession players, combined with a striker who is 6 feet tall with great ball skills, and two center backs that are really tough to beat.
- December 19, 2014 at 8:18 PM
Forgot, Richmond United ECNL has has one of the player's from last year's FCV ECNL team.
So much for a second rate team, most of the players are went on to other ECNL teams or significantly improved the remaining USYS teams.
- December 19, 2014 at 8:26 PM
I just looked at the NPL Showcase schedules before heading down to Florida to Disney. It does seem that the pecking order in the lower 3 teams has changed, it's seems pretty clear that PDA is protecting their little South team with a powderpuff schedule. Nothing like really challenging yourselves. Seems like 2 of the teams are ranked around 50 in Illinois and Florida I guess the South team has had enough of losing to the FC Stars NPL team that they are going to letting Atletica play them.
- December 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM
And now for something completely different. Does anyone know of a place or organiztion in NJ that collects lightly used soccer equipment such as cleats, shinguards, balls, etc. and then distributes them to those in need in the U.S. or international? Thank You.
- December 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM
1127, must be nice to already know they will be winning. Better to keep the parents happy and wallets open. PaSouth is mediocre at best and everyone knows it.
- December 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM
I think its interesting that ABGC sends its A roster to the national league and leaves its b roster in VA to play a couple of ECNL games. Suggests that the coach is not sure this ECNL thing s going to work out. Got to keep his USYSA options open especially national league. ECNL champions league and National league are equivalent in competition level and exposure.
- December 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM
Region 1 Champions League brackets are out:
- December 23, 2014 at 11:39 AM
That is really poor. All the best teams in the blue division. Top 4 or 5 teams beat all the red division teams handily. Who decided that this is a good idea? Notable absence is NEFC. No B teams this year as NEFC entire club is US CLub soccer. (Their b team was region 1 premier last year) and no CFC B team as they also are all US club. Not that those 2 teams make a difference but showing the trends. Santos best players went to world class ECNL as part of that "merger"/"alliance". Santos aren't in the picture anymore. Wonder what's up with Quickstrike and Massapequa. putting their eggs in US club's basket? PDA B team(s) all NPL SJEB? What about Europa? Va teams save FC VA (ECNL) are all weak. Unbelievable drop in quality over the last few years. Strikers and FCVA are probably happy they are both blue so they get some competition. Strikers also always struggle with YMS
- December 23, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Here we go again with this incorrect comments about VA.
1) Mclean ECNL beat FCV/Annandale Premiere and yet comments are made that Premiere is head and shoulders above the ECNL teams last year.
2) Chantilly saved Mclean, yet Chantilly lost to Herndon in State Cup and their players really haven't added much to Mclean other than take minutes away from the better players and give Cindi Harkes a platform to get chased out of another ECNL team (the way she was run off at FCV).
3) Unbelievable drop off in the past couple years......what?
It has always been Premiere and then a group of teams of team a step below (Chantilly, Herndon, Vienna). What drop off. Vienna could have made the league, but probably didn't apply. Chantilly and Herndon made it.
4) Quickstrike. Lost to ASA in WAGS Tournament and they didn't look like the same team
5) Santos has had injury problems.
I do agree Blue looks stronger than Red, there is comments coming from FCV that you might see a renewed focus on ECNL so lets the roster for Premiere League. You may find that the club has split the ECNL team into two and that the team playing Premiere League is vastly different that the team of 18 who has been playing both.
- December 24, 2014 at 1:21 AM
December 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM - that coach only cares about two things:
1) Money. He has finally found a group of sucker parents who will pay anything to win anything. Normally, his VSA and Herndon parents were smart enough to get rid of him and bring in a real coach who develops players. The Premiere parents are so greedy, they would pay $1,500 to stay in Florida and win the Super Y National Championship just so they can be king of something
2) Getting players in college - since that coach has never gotten a team past U15 - he is depending on this group finally getting him a couple of college committments.
What I found interesting was that even with the domination in Super Y - ABGC/FCV Premiere only had 2 field players on the All Tournament team.
Which supports the conventional wisdom that the team has a small cadre of really good D1 prospects and then a whole bucket of role players.
After all, Premiere lent some of their defensive players to FCV ECNL last year as Discovery player and the defense was still horrible. They tried intermixing players and the initial results were not good. Premiere needs the group of 18 to be effective because if you intermix 7 from the B group with 11 from the A group - it isn't the same Premiere team.
- December 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM
Your last 2 paragraphs are contradictory. On the one hand you are saying that a couple of "D1 prospects" are carrying the team and the rest are just role players. And then you say that if you swap out the bottom 7 players, they are a lesser team.
Having my child's team play against them several times in the recent past, I think the latter may be closer to the truth. They have at least 5 impact players on that team although 2 or three are potentially national level.
Just wodering what happens next year. How is the heavy ECNL USYSA schedule going? They are registered in the ECNL and champions league this spring. National league will be over in December so not really a factor in the schedule for the spring. Are they going to tournaments too? Do the b team kids play in anything? Do they rotate the bottom 7 players to come off the bench at various events? Hows it working out? Will he choose USYSA or ECNL next year or back the superstars back out to an independent club and just do USYSA and super y? If it is working will we see more teams going this route?
- December 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM
"They heard we'll spend $5,000, even $10,000 a year on our child's soccer."
- December 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Am I the only one who thinks R1 Champions League has a top flight and a second flight, but has called them both Division "1"? The groupings can't be a coincidence. Is this because they have planned to have 3 divisions for a while now and wanted to keep it that way. The worst Blue team would be a favorite to win the Red group.
- December 26, 2014 at 5:43 PM
It's obvious from looking at the teams that the Blue group is clearly the top flight. No one in their right mind can look at those groups and think otherwise. It looks like the bottom team(s) from Blue will be relegated to Red, and the top Red teams will be promoted to Blue, although as you mentioned, there is a large gap between the strength of the teams.
- December 26, 2014 at 7:48 PM
Hopefully region 1 has sense enough to see that. However. In years past there has been a playoff between the 2 groups. Top 2 to national league. Winner to regionals. Wonder how they plan to handle the advancement opportunities
- December 27, 2014 at 9:56 AM
Random thought, although PA strikers seem like the #1 in PA, and this might be true, they are not unbeatable. YMS, FC Europa, FC Warrington, LDC, etc are all competitors and have beaten strikers many times, just because they aren't ranked #1 with tons of poitnts does not mean they can't compete with the strikers or any other high ranked or known team. So, I do not think there is a huge gap in PA.
- December 28, 2014 at 9:00 PM
9:00 PM, I would agree but PA Strikers are always looking to improve their team. Rumor has it that the PA Strikers picked up a solid striker for their team. I think she is a region 1 player. It looks like they are trying to solidify their position in the NL and region 1. Time will tell. YMS is strong also and could be a dominate force against PA Strikers.
- December 29, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Strikers will pull away from the rest on 2015. Do you consider 4-0 against Europa earlier in the month as competitive? Also rumors of Europa blowing up due to coaching change. Will they look to strikers or love to the ECNL. Will the strikers be ECNL next year? Lots up in the air. How is Sanford for you ECNL people?
- December 29, 2014 at 7:13 PM
That is true about the Europa loss, not quite sure whats up with them. But I do know that strikers have trouble against YMS, Fc Warrington, and LDC. I guess we will wait and see what happens this spring and the state cups. As for strikers and ecnl, I do not see that ever happening, they are a one team club, I don't see how that would ever happen. Just my opinion.
- December 29, 2014 at 7:51 PM
Warrington? You are joking right? LDC ? Ok score looks close but not sure if the games really were or not. YMS yes definitely don't seem to match up well. However I have heard they actually have added 2 impactful starting forwards and moved their old one back. Time will tell whether the match up remains a difficult one for strikers. Strikers did reasonably well in national league. YMS did not qualify. YMS roster seems stable.
- December 29, 2014 at 11:35 PM
Should a B team for an academy pay the same amount as the A team. This team has not played one tournament as of today and has done only one scrimmage but the tag price is 2,200 for the year. Training one/twice a week only for the Fall starting in November. What do you think?
- December 30, 2014 at 7:50 PM
The question isn't "should" - be team pay it is "will" a b team pay. If the answer is the later, then the answer is yes because the market supports it. Remember this is all a business. Think of it like that and you will get it.
- December 30, 2014 at 8:25 PM
What B team are you referring to ?
- December 30, 2014 at 10:31 PM
Well all the PDA teams pay the same $2500.00 but aren't they all one big happy family so I am sure no one minds.
- December 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM
Yes a B team should pay the same as an A team. You are paying for full time coaching and dedication to a team you are not paying for A or B team. Unless the B team has lower quality and cheaper coaches, the costs of running a B team are the same.
- December 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM
This is a great article about a player from WInslow (2016 graduate) with a verbal commitment from NC State. She's never played at a big academy, got exposure at camps and showcases and was able to get noticed. It just shows what can be done if you just love the sport.
- December 31, 2014 at 1:13 PM
$2500 a year to train and tie a team ranked 50 in their state? I would be a tad annoyed if I was a PDA south parent. I thought the NPL was their showcase to win?
- December 31, 2014 at 3:03 PM
At 3:30pm and on the brink of a New Year you are spending your time worry about what........C'MON Son you gotta do better than that this coming New Year. Stop worry about PDA and just worrying about your own childs development. Just look at the post above yours......Perfect post and even better article and most important that young childs parents has everything to be proud of because regardless of anything that kid is going to make New Jersey proud. Anyway stop worrying about PDA dude and Happy New Year. Eric Harris
- December 31, 2014 at 3:52 PM
PDA team seem to be doing well in Florida
All teams won!!
Who are the teams they are playing against?
- December 31, 2014 at 5:55 PM
PDA playing low ranked teams, set up by their "handlers". Happy New Year!
- December 31, 2014 at 9:53 PM
5:55 PM According to the NPL schedule the PDA D team actually tied even though all of PDA are playing a rigged schedule.
- January 1, 2015 at 2:52 AM
Why is anyone writing about NPl showcase? All the good teams are playing now at Disney. And for last weeks ecnl tourney, how did gunners and MF do?
- January 1, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Because PDA is the only place in NJ where high quality proper soccer is played, so people are interested. (sarcasm intended)
- January 1, 2015 at 9:55 AM
Shouldn't they change the name to the PDA Showcase?
- January 1, 2015 at 9:32 PM
It does not make sense to travel so far to play teams that are ranked 90 and 50 in Florida.
They will get better competition by setting up a scrimmage with one of the top 20 teams in NJ.
I feel that the state of soccer with all these different leagues is just a lie.
- January 1, 2015 at 10:17 PM
Copa Milan is doing very well in the Disney Showcase. What happened to NJ Stallions Stampede. Not a good showing
- January 1, 2015 at 10:19 PM
Much about the matchups. Though Stampede hasnt been great of late
SDFC Panthera also there, ahead in bottom flight, makes final if they win tomorrow
- January 1, 2015 at 11:51 PM
WoW!! I just looked at the college coaches that attended the ECNL Sanford showcase ->> sooo many....and from great schools!!
- January 2, 2015 at 3:13 PM
ECNL players get first crack at the college coaches and scholarships.
Anyone bragging about how well a team is or is not doing at a SHOWCASE needs their head examined. The players are there to be seen by coaches. Save the bragging for TOURNAMENTS and not SHOWCASES.
- January 2, 2015 at 8:16 PM
Why would you want to saddle your kid with the increased pressure of being a scholarship player in addition to the stresses of playing collegiate soccer while taking a full course load?
Better be a hefty scholarship and a kid ready for that grind and pressure.
- January 2, 2015 at 11:16 PM
D1 College play is a lot of work. My daughter received a lot of money both for academics and to play soccer. However, coach did not care that she was hurt and continued to play her to win. So now she has to go for physical therapy and work very hard to get back in shape.
It's a full time job. If we had to do it all over again academics is the way to go!! This is after many years of traveling for soccer and playing at one of the top academies in the state. Not worth the time and effort!!
- January 2, 2015 at 11:31 PM
I understand that after his weekend's NPL showcase that coaches have already started showing interest, this is if the PDASouth mother I spoke with is to be believed.
- January 3, 2015 at 7:41 PM
"PDA mother (or the one you only spoke to" please stop coming on this site and spewing BS to try and make your club seem more important than it really is. I am quite certain that no college coach proactively communicated with any kids and would have only responded to a player email or call. A coach cannot unless he/she is breaking NCAA regulation contact a Freshman or a sophomore.
A coach cannot talk to you off-campus which means a coach could have watched your kid at a showcase but couldn't have discussed your kid.
A coach cannot call or email a parent or player, but a player can contact a coach.
Are we to believe that coaches were on the phone and email breaking NCAA regulations.
- January 3, 2015 at 9:36 PM
Shout out to SDFC
Disney hardware.
Re: PDA players getting first look.....
well, good for them.
Looks are nice
But you'd better have the GOODS or the coaches will go elsewhere.
Now, if there were schools only looking at PDA players, you'd be golden
I do think PDA is a great place to play if you want to almost guarantee a collegiate roster spot of some type. Uou can always get some college to take a PDA kid.
But most seasoned parents are looking for more than just that for their child.
- January 3, 2015 at 11:27 PM
Are quality college coaches really flocking to a second rate, rigged showcase like the NPL showcase? I doubt it and this mother's claims.
- January 4, 2015 at 2:04 AM
I just got some clarification on the interest shown to the PDA players after Florida. It was the Rutgers coach showing the interest.
- January 4, 2015 at 1:22 PM
yea the one who coaches in Newark
- January 4, 2015 at 3:38 PM
What a shocker! Now the PDA coach can say, " See, I got college coaches to look at you."
- January 4, 2015 at 10:57 PM
Your jealousy is transparent!
- January 5, 2015 at 11:38 AM
so real question:
Are the 2018 kids really seeing significant interest from college coaches after CASL, Disney and Sanford or is it only the top of the pyramid at this point? When would you know if a coach was interested in your child?
- January 5, 2015 at 4:20 PM
11:38, what exactly is 10:57 jealous of? Has your daughter been looked at by the Rutger's coach too?
- January 5, 2015 at 4:42 PM
Coaches cannot pro actively talk to any Freshman, end of story. If a parent says otherwise either a coach is breaking NCAA rules or the parent is a liar. I vote for the latter.
- January 5, 2015 at 5:51 PM
because parents do the leg work .idiot, inside or outside the ECNL. ECNL just provides a bigger more visible stage and PDA provides just their reputation . In the end the parents know that coaches do very little.
Some will make a call.
But the stage and reputation is at your disposal. the rest is up to the girl on the field and who you reach out to for your daughter Academic college of choice.
- January 5, 2015 at 6:06 PM
Hey it's the idiot here. Which coach are you referring to? The club coach or the college coach? The college coach can't do anything even make a call. I doubt any Freshman unless the kid is truly the rare exception is getting any interest especially at an NPL tournament. Division 1 coaches don't know what their needs are 3 years from now yet and unless the have access to one of the few special ones, they will be hesitant to give any kid too much interest now.
- January 5, 2015 at 8:00 PM
College coaches can talk to Freshman as long as the player calls them. They can not make the call to the player.
The college coach emails the club coach and indicates interest in the player and provides a number to call the coach. Visit is set up. It doesn't break rules and is happening.
- January 5, 2015 at 9:20 PM
Right, so you really believe the PDA mom who within a day if the showcase ending that a group of Freshman are receiving that much interest and it filtered through within a day. It sounds more like people blowing smoke.
- January 6, 2015 at 7:18 AM
There are some of the top kids who are truely recruited. By that I mean there is no email from the player to the the school, but instead, the school emails the club coach expressing interest in the player and including the coach's cell number. The email to the club coach requests that the player call the college coach to discuss the school and their interest in the player. And thus begins the dance, which includes "unofficial" visits and negotiations. Often this process with a freshmen takes a year or so to complete. Comittments being made in mid sophmore year or so.
- January 6, 2015 at 7:20 AM
PDA 15's not even in Sanford, which means mom is on the wrong blog, or her kid got looks at NPL showcase...
There were many top coaches at ECNL event, and in attendance at games. Parents were given a list each game of coaches in attendance.
Just wondering if the kid is getting looks, why not play with the Gunners? Same cost and travel as NE NPL?
Were Gunners needed to round out the 3 other teams the day after Sanford? Probably not. Just waiting for San Diego.
- January 6, 2015 at 7:50 AM
@ 9:20 Thanks for the fact based explanation and you did it without calling anyone an idiot or any other name. Maybe there is hope for humanity. I would wager that the person calling people idiots doesn't speak that way to parents on the sideline face to face.
There were little to no coaches at the Freshman games at the NPL but plenty of them at the older levels. Legit D1,2 & 3 schools showing serious interest in players.
- January 6, 2015 at 7:58 AM
I too heard this PDA south mother going on about the supposed "interest". I agree if her daughter was that good, she would be on Gunners. I believe she is just blowing smoke, she has before.
- January 6, 2015 at 10:32 AM
Here is the link to the NPL college coaches. There were a handful of academic elite D1 schools, but keep in mind they only recruit junior year or above as the player needs to have the grades to get in to the school. The other D1s mostly schools northeast players would not have heard of, or the schools sent their associate coach while head coach was at Disney. No need to debate whatever a PDA parent may have said or embellished - it's all online anyway.
- January 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM
Enough of this talk, this PDA south mom is notorious for her exaggerations. She incessantly raved abut her daughter's high school goals and now we are hearing about big time college prospects. Let' s move on to a great season!
- January 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM
Sorry but I believe the PDA mother and what she is saying. Was I there.....no I wasn't but is what she said believeable....yes and does it happen.....yes and this I know for sure because I seen it and I can tell you from experience in the past that although colleges may not be be able to directly walk up to your kid or you and talk to you about their school or interest in your kid TRUST me there are creative ways of going about it, that are not against rules of any kind. Trust me do you think that every college sends out its HEAD coach to see kids. That is why they have assistant coaches. Trust me it happens in football as well. UNLESS you are that really special person you don't meet the HEAD COACH first you always build that relationship with the assistant that is recruiting you. So for all that talk that this woman does not know what she is talking about and that she is LYING.......I would say to you that you have no clue (in a nice way)and for sure that coaches do go watch these U15's and some U14's just to see whats out there and take notes on whats coming up and who they might want to pay attention to in the years to come. I say all this as FACT not fiction and certainly not opinion. I say that because I went through it and I have help other kids in different sports navigate through the process. So for the PDA mother good for your kid or the kids that were getting the look. Has nothing to do with the letters on her/their chest its just that they must be pretty good players or show signs of being special. Eric Harris
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- January 7, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Sorry if I confused you with my blabbering but no it was not at PDA South U15 game but it was a U15 game with teams that were NPL teams at least one was for sure but neither was a PDA team. Trust me they are out there watching kids. On another note that you mentioned PDA.........For all the fellows and ladies that have been in the PDA remember when we always said that soccer has brought us together but would never tear us apart........well its 2015 and WE BETTER get some kind of GRILLING going or mens night out. I know several of the guys get together and never invited me to Hoboken to that steakhouse......lol lol So whats up lets do something. Eric Harris
PS We still have to settle our COOK-OFF that we staged at TCNJ...Man that was soooo much food lol lol
- January 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM
I would like to hear from some athelitica, breaker , or pride parents what are your thoughts on the tournament did you feel it was worth the expense? Did you see any coaches at your daughters games and what did you think about overall competition .....and how about the hotels were you happy with the accomadations. Thanks
- January 7, 2015 at 2:04 PM
Having returned from Florida it has taken over a week for the college coaches to begin emailing/calling the club coaches with the players in whom they have interest and then the club coaches a day or so to forward the interest. Only the top few players/team are seeing this type of interest at this point in the U15 year. These are the kids who are probably destined to realize substantial if not full offers. It is a fallacy that college coaches will only seek contact (invite a call) with those players who have already expressed interest in their schools. There are many "cold" invitations being extended at this time. There are also many more schools putting interesting kids on a "watch list" potentially to be alerted to their interest at a later date. But for sure, there are now letters going out to club coaches lamenting the early recruitment timeline but expressing concern that certain outstanding players will likely be committed before too long and the college coaches don't want to miss out on the best.
- January 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM
So what your saying that at this moment the Athletics,breakers and pride coaches have been contacted by interested college coaches and they in turn have forwards this info to the players
- January 7, 2015 at 3:40 PM
Perhaps but this comment is in general specifically including ECNL teams...
Odd how everyone gets so excited about PDA gossip and not interested in recruiting fact. But then maybe most of the children of posters on this blog are not destined to be recruited. At least as detailed above...
- January 7, 2015 at 4:02 PM
Perhaps the DOC of the South should tell his moms to shut their mouths.
- January 7, 2015 at 6:20 PM
Why? What have they said other than there was some college contacts occurring? That seems like good press for PDA. Doesn't seem like something he wouldn't want discussed in a forum. Or really is it that these comments make you worried that your Mia is already behind in the recruiting process...
- January 8, 2015 at 7:42 AM
Ok, PDA parent, enjoy the looks by the Rutgers coach.
- January 8, 2015 at 9:00 AM
Not a PDA parent. Shackingly this is a region 1 forum and the beyond NJ PDA does not hold the same fascination.
- January 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM
Hey I would be darn proud if Rutgers was looking at my kid regardless if its Newark or whatever. I would be proud of that because that means someone outside my family actually thinks my kid is worth watching or at least giving the benefit of the doubt that she is someone. True story.....I was at a track meet in December as of recent watching my daughter run and jump....in my eyes a long way away from anything close to being a track star lol lol but I am watching her high jump and long story short this college coach not knowing I am her dad starts talking me about her and saying that she has potential for a Freshman and he liked how she looked. He also went on to say what school is she from she was from so I told him....no mind you my daughter has never run track needless to say high jump or run hurdles and here she is as a Freshman out there competing against these other seniors and juniors....so what do you think I did knowing me......I told the coach that I was her father and that in my opinion I thought it would be a wise thing to do if he stood around the pit a little longer because I think some far better jumpers were on the way. My point is that if it is happening to my kid I know its happening to others not only in track but soccer as well. So hey Rutgers Newark if you are looking at my kid.........."IM PROUD" and thankful. Eric Harris
- January 8, 2015 at 11:20 AM
Be very careful discussing specific children on an anonymous blog. Whether they are your children, or others, it is often an invitation for some ugly bullying. But congrats to your budding track star.
- January 8, 2015 at 12:38 PM
Here is the shocking truth about PDA. Most of the haters commenting on this board about PDA are not about PDA North, Shore, or Atletica. It's PDA South. How Come? My kid goes to school and plays HS with a few of the players and I talked to a few of the parents a lot in the Fall There are so many people - current and past - that have very little good to say about the environment. there is lots of talk about about dishonesty and lies and that we should not move if my daughter was happy We were talked out of trying out. The reason that so many come on here talking about PDA South there is no trust and there are a lot of people with a current and past history. They come here to air dirty laundry. The kids don't like each other, the parents don't get along, and no one trusts the coach. The stuff that Eric talks about the North being a big happy family sounds doesn't sound like its part of the South.
It would be awesome if we can move away from the PDA talk, but listening to people like Eric and what I hear about PDA South there is a pretty toxic environment in South that doesn't exist in other parts of PDA. My two cents and time to move on.
- January 8, 2015 at 1:45 PM
Yes I understand the "BULLYING" issues that go on and how some adults can't help but to knock another kids dream down but for anyone that knows me I am my kids biggest critic and also biggest fan but surely me worrying about some adult saying some foul things about her on a blog is least my worries. As long as the person that says it only says it here where they are safe and protected is a good thing. Now if they were to say it to my kids face or where we it could be heard by either her or someone that would tell me then thats another story. And lets be clear never ever ever ever never ever use the words TRACK STAR next to my kids name lol lol lol thats just a disrespect to TRACK.....as I told that coach......you better wait for the next kids to come through, now I love my kids but I have to tell the truth lol lol. Eric Harris
- January 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM
If players are being contacted via cold calls or some type of "watch list" then I bet those are coaches that want the players to attend their summer "ID" camp. In other words, line their pockets.
All coaches take notes on players they have been invited to see or see by chance while watching someone else while attending Sanford, NPL, Disney, etc. You can easily find out if a coach really saw a player. Have the club coach reach out to the college coach and have them ask what they liked and how that player might fit in with that college team.
- January 8, 2015 at 6:18 PM
Ah... some of the coaches have actually talked to the club coaches about the players they liked at Sanford or Disney. Or they personally emailed the club coaches and it's the club coaches that pass on the email with the coach's cell number. It is not the ID camp thing; it's the real deal, but keep trying to dimish the kids who did get interest. You don't know what you're talking about. The better teams are handing our player profiles and recording the coaches scouting the games. The players know which coaches were watching, if one they notified of interest was there, and which game a cold call coach saw.
- January 8, 2015 at 8:35 PM
Anyone sending a kid to a college ID camp, combine especially the top drawer ones? Any tips from people with older kids?
- January 9, 2015 at 2:53 PM
Jeff cup acceptance list is posted.
- January 9, 2015 at 7:40 PM
PDA North can be be difficult for those kids that are talented but are not in the coaches favor.
You must remember that there is a PDA inside of PDA for the favored few. it is often about talent but necessarily.
Your experience can be a great one- neutral one or a negative one. Those that talk about the virtues of this club so openly are usually in the inner circle of PDA.
It is not what I call the median experience, The median experience can be cold and a bit cut throat.
- January 9, 2015 at 10:32 PM
Thank you 1032 for being honest and telling it exactly like it is. My daughter was in the inner circle at first and all was peachy, then, the inner circle parents got in the coach's ear and she was relegated to the outer circle. Our experience ran the gamut, in retrospect, it was never a healthy environment.
- January 9, 2015 at 11:55 PM
The last 2 post were right on with there comments
- January 10, 2015 at 12:27 AM
Wow 3 unhappy pda poster in a a row I luv it
Now tell me what you thought about the showcase
- January 10, 2015 at 12:37 AM
NPL showcase was a joke, we should have stayed home!
- January 10, 2015 at 12:59 AM
I really cant justify the expense
I.did not see any college coaches
not that they were not there perhaps they were looking at tthe older girls games but none were at my daughters games and.there was not very good competition
They should have kept the better teams in the.same brackets so what if pda vs pda occurs
Hotel was nice
- January 10, 2015 at 10:16 AM
That is the accurate description of this club that I have ever read on this blog!
- January 10, 2015 at 10:01 PM
Anyone at the Penn State or UVA ID clinics yedterday? They were both closed when I thought to look for my kid and I wondered how they are and if I shuld be looking far in adcance now for future clinics.
- January 11, 2015 at 2:46 PM
my daughter played 2 years for PDA Atletica U11/12. it was a great experience, the team was composed of the next 18 girls out of about 90-100 who tried out for the 4 spots for the Gunners that did not get accepted.
PDA figured there was enough talent in the next 20 or so to form another team. I remembered the speech about how we were a Club, not just teams.
They were the best players in the teams they came from, lots of creativity, confidence and the parents were the best (except one or two of course). We went to the State Cup finals against the Gunners and lost 1-0.
She was cut after 2 years due to injury - no hard feelings. We played in the highest levels - Eclipse Cup in Chicago, Jeff Cup. Even thought our coach was awesome, we're glad she's not interested in playing in that environment. It's really about what your daughter wants.
The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art
- January 11, 2015 at 9:03 PM
9:03 I recall those tournaments a bit differently than you. Eclipse? AtLetica went 0-3 and had a goal diffetential of 0-11 over those 3 games. Cost to parents to fly daughters out to get their butts whipped? $1,000. Jeff Cup not much better.
- January 11, 2015 at 10:11 PM
@903. Where did your daughter go after pda ? Is she still playing ?
- January 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM
@ 9:03 "The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art"
Agreed. Spot on.
- January 12, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Says the parent of the kid with no talent
- January 12, 2015 at 11:40 AM
Says the parent who's kid is also a gifted artist.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:15 PM
10:11 - yes, true, but we got to see how good other U-11 Teams are. It was really an eye-opener.
11:09 - she went to Match Fit, and she's still playing, but on a lower level Club. We're more interested in training for the long run, just to get the development
11:40 - she may not be as talented as the other girls still in PDA/MF, but she's the Valedictorian of her middle school and plays piano, bass and guitar. We're not counting on soccer to get her accepted, and even if she was super-talented, I don't think she'll even consider schools that will offer her an athletic scholarship, unless the name happens to be Princeton (LOL), or something comparable.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:19 PM
People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted, because of her soccer ability and decent enough grades and scores to prove she can do the work. Others will go to college for free or nearly free and experience the joys of intercollegiate athletics -yes I was a 4 year letter winner in college and loved every minute of it. yes my child has seen serious top 10 interest already- such early interest is not an urban myth. You guys are just trying to make yourself feel better as you realize that your kids' soccer will end before college. You wouldn't be on this board if you didn't care about your kids' soccer or maybe you are just really...peculiar.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:22 PM
1215 I am sure there is an "art board" for you to frequent since your child isn't gifted in soccer
- January 12, 2015 at 12:23 PM
A kid can get college credits while in H.S. in addition to grants & scholarships for arts & music. That's more than you can get for soccer.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM
@ 12:22 "People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted"
After college your top 10 soccer player will be going to work for the 2400 SAT kid
- January 12, 2015 at 12:48 PM
Any decent player is going to find a college to play in at some level. The difference is some kids focus on their kid playing and others focus the name of the club and trying to live through the playing of their child. We all know the parent you are, the one who gives your kid a big speech before a game, the one who's kid has to look over to the sideline for approval every 5 minutes, you the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction. You probably still pay your kid to score goals. You can talk to a lot of gifted kids who brag about the club they play of the school they are trying to get into, or that they day after a showcase a bunch of schools contacted them, and yes believe or not there are gifted kids that play soccer and have other serious interests, even if there are parents like you who make your priorities your kids.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM
12:48 Maybe even serving them dinner.
- January 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM
"the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction."
Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent.
- January 12, 2015 at 1:07 PM
I don't really care if my daughter plays for her College team, as long as she keeps active in athletics. We've scaled down on the soccer expectations because this is the reality. And there's just not that much time after academics and her other interests.
Getting her the training and experience so she can at least have that on her resume is enough. I know that even Ivy League looks for athletes, after academics of course. One thing I won't do is let her attend just any school because they're giving her money for college.
She's played for most of the top clubs in NJ and we've learned a lot along the way. She decided it's not for her, so I accepted that. Three years ago I would have persuaded her to get more training and stay at the top level but things change, kids grow up. I grew up.
Oh, and I read this blog because it's hilarious entertainment.
- January 12, 2015 at 1:15 PM
Wait, your all not giving your kids hand signals? How will they know what to do?... LOL
- January 12, 2015 at 1:16 PM
"Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent"
Are you referring to a PDA ECNL Dad? I know him.
- January 12, 2015 at 1:17 PM
You know what is really funny, there are still parents paying their kids to score goals, and its not a dollar like when your kid was 5. Now that encourages team play.
- January 12, 2015 at 1:29 PM
I understand parents of kids who don't have anything other than soccer to offer to a college, they should be extremely focused on the athletics angle. In actuality, women's soccer is very low on the scale of talents to get college dollars. Academics #1.
- January 12, 2015 at 1:54 PM
The chances of anyone going to college for "free or nearly free" because of a soccer scholarship are extremely low.
Only around 10% of girls that play in high school actually play in college. Only 14 full-time equivalency scholarships are available per D1 team, and those are usually spread amongst the team. I believe the average athletic scholarship across all sports is less than $10,000 when you don't include football and basketball scholarships.
In reality, you kid will get more merit based financial aid than athletic aid, so tell them to study.
- January 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM
If academics don't count, why do we have to post our child's GPA on our team's website? AND why do some parents fudge it? I know fora fact of a mom entering a 4.0 when her child can barely break Cs. AND this parent still pays her kid for scoring high school and club goals. Scary...
- January 12, 2015 at 2:32 PM
Some of you are just being flat out mean to each other on this lol lol....does it really matter if your kid goes to a top 10 school for sports or academics. Trust me I preach to my kid about grades are the most important thing to a student athelete because without them you will not be able to play this game that you love or like so dearly for long. I would disagree that those who don't get a 2400 on the SAT or have a 4.0+ GPA will have those as myself who the highest I ever received on the SAT's was a 990 and thats out of 1600 but clearly I had a couple of best friends that got perfect scores and does that make them better than me or does that give them more opportunities than me....certainly not but what it did do was give us both opportunities in different manners. At the end of the day its not about what you know is WHO you know. There are plenty of Princton Grads without jobs. That is no knock on Princton because as I said my best friend in High School attended and he is a fine lawyer and still best friend. A lot of what people are saying on this board is their own insecurities to this whole soccer stuff and thinking too far ahead. I will say this and I don't care who you are or where you from doesn't matter to me but I have not seen one girl that I have not thought was legit or had the ability to be. Mind you parents these girls are still "BABIES" they barely can go into the bathroom without us asking them did they wash their hands lol lol lol. I mean cmon each and everyone of these kids whether she is at PDA, MATCHFIT, WOrld Class, FC Copa, Freehold, Jackson etc has just the same opportunties and the other. It comes down to what that kid whats to do at the end of the day. Those kids that want to be great then guess what that kid will be as long as they keep working hard and going after their dreams, will that same kid be a great student and go on to be successful in something other than sports......I bet again they will if they choose to work hard and continue to strive to be the best that they can be. Scholarships are not my concern...now my kid I am sure she wants one but trust me I tell her all the time Scholarship are not something that is given but something that is earned and if you have it you better be willing to earn year in and year out. No such thing as a 4 year scholarship. Same goes if you have an academic scholarship its year to year so don't think you got it made there either. Do I give my kid a talk before each game HECK YEAH I do....I tell her to do HER JOB I don't care about scoring or defending. Thats not my concern as a parent. I remind her to do her DAG ON JOB........whatever the coach ask she better be doing it. I for one don't need hand signals my voice can be heard clearly....yeah yeah I know I shouldn't say anything but I am a fan and I can't help myself sometime. Anyway stop being mean to each other lol lol Eric Harris
- January 12, 2015 at 2:52 PM
We need a new rule, posts should be 300 characters or less.
- January 12, 2015 at 3:14 PM
Better yet everyone should have to register a first and last name with club affli.. Thats GREAT RULE....Eric Harris
- January 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM
Based on the history, you would then have to enjoy the conversation with yourself. At least you would get someone agreeing with you al the time.
- January 12, 2015 at 3:25 PM
@1:29, can you say "ball hog"! lol
- January 12, 2015 at 5:06 PM
Hilarious! Especially since I would be one of the rule breakers!
Students should choose the school that best matches their academic interests.
Walk on to tryouts.
If you don't make the team there is always intramurals.
Enjoy life and Enjoy the game for as long as you can, school and beyond.
- January 12, 2015 at 6:04 PM
Yes - DCShore - Intramurals can be such fun.
Hey Eric, brother, there's a lot of mean people out there but I know it will never change you - just say it like it is.
Alex (Gaby's Dad)
- January 12, 2015 at 7:29 PM
PDA, Match Fit, and all the other top clubs sell themselves through fear that in fact, every player does NOT have the same opportunities. They claim that their players get better opportunities than all the others.
They use this fear to heavily monetize youth soccer. So really, do PDA players really just have the same opportunities as every other player?
- January 12, 2015 at 8:16 PM
I hope you were being sincere.
- January 12, 2015 at 8:23 PM
DCShore - yes I am. I know Eric when my daughter was at PDA and we've remained friends on the sidelines. You may not agree with him or the way he expresses himself but at least he's real, honest and doesn't hide behind anonymity. It's more than I can say about most of the posters here.
PDA is not for everybody, us included. But if your daughter never played for these clubs you'll never know what it means and you'll forever be on the outside and it's easy to trash talk.
There's good and not so good, but all things being equal, it's so much better to have experienced belonging to PDA, MF, World Class, and the like.
My daughter has played in 6 clubs in 7 years and players/parents in these academies are generally classier and have more social skills than the rest. Even though some of them will stab you in the back, they'll do it with a smile. I would say 75% of the families in these academies are great to deal with, as opposed to over 50%+ that are obnoxious in the other places. This is from my own personal experience.
- January 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM
Can I ask why your daughter played with so many clubs ? Was it difficult for her to change ? And what county do you live in that you are geographically able to make that work ? Inquiring minds want to know !
- January 12, 2015 at 9:36 PM
It's not a matter of whether or not I agree with Eric.
Most of the time I really don't even understand him.
What I can tell is that his daughter is in a good spot for herself, which is ok by me.
- January 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM
Sure. Those that know me and my daughter would know this to be true. At U10 she played for a travel team in Bayonne but wanted to take it to the next level and there wasn't any program around Hudson County that we thought was good - back then I knew absolutely nothing about youth soccer, and still wished I didn't. It was so simple.
She played for summer select at STA U-10 but one day we were invited by a friend to try out for PDA. I didn't know what/who they were. She was accepted for the then 2nd team Atletica and stayed for 2 years until cut due to injuries.
She played Super-Y for Match Fit summer pre-U-13 then accepted to the newly formed Match Fit (North) NPL Team, formerly the Roxbury Rovers. Great team, very athletic players but really not her style of play. There was a lot of turmoil as MF was getting accepted into ECNL and we decided to leave.
Ended up at Copa at U-14, great organization, a place that we thought was home until we had a falling out with the principals, which I would not discuss here.
So, we're with GFA/TSF Valkyries U-15. Great club - excellent training year round 4 times a week if you want it, indoors and out. Metuchen Sportplex has WiFi, hot running water in the bathrooms, tables, chairs to catch up on work.
Is that enough detail for you?
- January 12, 2015 at 9:54 PM
@ 9:54 PM What's the cost at GFA? Is it around the same as PDA/Copa or is it significantly less?
- January 13, 2015 at 7:26 AM
Alex, man what imformation you gave bro and trust me you know I am going to continue to be me regardless the dude on the porch is saying or says. Alex you hit some spots right on and not only that you use your name which in my eyes is even more reason why people should listen and respond to what you wrote. The one thing that hit home for me was the fact that you said that Gab got cut. I don't blame that Gab but I do blame that on PDA because I am totally against cutting any kid when you are in the business of developing. Just think of when she was cut and I will say cut because it comes from you and your word is your bond and I know you and I know you would not tell some made up story but any club that says they are development or whatever should see the process out for every kid. When the Gunners/Atletica group was about 50 kids deep I was so happy because I actually thought that why play games outside your club when you can just have scrimmages inside your club and control the environment and not worry about the winning aspect but the development which is most important. When you think about it Gabs best soccer years are yet to come because she is still growing as a person outside of being a player. That is one thing that I don't like about youth sports and maybe its the academy setting that gets at me but I feel there is no need to cut any kid. We as culture want our kids to experience that "EUROPE" style of soccer but we do the exact opposite as clubs and sometimes parents. I will still say that there has not been one kid that I come across that I feel will not make it. Coaches do have their say but the fact that you have moved Gab to a place you deemed meets your expectations only shows that you have it right. Its not about the letters on your chest its about what is best for your her and that she continues to get better and develops as player and person outside of the game. I still need to find out where you guys are having your parties so that I can crash it lol lol lol Eric Harris
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Answer #1Superbob April 06, 2011, 18:39Master
The front one is the engine and the rear one is the transmission. Being that you're unfamiliar with cars, it'd be better for you to have someone who knows how to change oil help you. You may avoid a catastrophic mistake if you have some guidance the first couple of times. If you make a typical beginner error like not getting the oil filter on right, you could ruin the engine.
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