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Comedian Bill Maher's anti-science bullshit is completely demolished ...
by a
Euthanasia opponent dies
The argument isn't over Euthanasia.
The argument is over religious freaks
being allowed to force rational people to suffer.
(sound monotonously familiar?)
If someone like Tippetts wants to drag out her agony
because that's what she believes her invisible ghost wants ...
then more power to her - that is her right.
But they should not have the right to force others to suffer
because of their screwy beliefs.
Canada finally got their religious idiots under control and legalized Euthanasia;
it's long past time, that we in America ... do the same
Thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court decision of 2010
this is what the 2016 election primaries look like:
Jimmy Kimmel's attack on anti-vax loons
(with the help of some doctors) ...
is hysterical (4:57)
Classic Emails (4 pages)
Prophet Walker tries throwing scripture at me ...
big mistake
This week's show was:
"Obama said that no religion is responsible for terrorism"
The Science Segment was:
"The 'Ouch Zone' has been discovered in the brain"
Listen (14:08)
Read (7 pages)
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Florida is sinking into the ocean
Rumor has it that Florida Governor Rick Scott
has threatened to punish state employees
who even utter the phrase "climate change"
Scott's people are denying it - but this guy got punished
Reality cares little for what delusional humans want to believe.
"The oceans aren't rising and Jesus is coming back."
The longer those two delusions persist ... the more humanity will suffer
Finally ... a blunt, no-nonsense verdict on homeopathy
I guess the "blunt, no-nonsense" part must have given away the fact, that ...
this was outside the United States
This is what religion does to the brain ...
They are arguing over whether or not this guy will reincarnate
So don't be so quick to laugh at all those religious leaders centuries ago who spent entire lifetimes arguing over how many angels could dance on the head of a pin ...
We haven't come all that far
How do you know if you are living in the Fox News Bubble?
If your intestines are tied in knots over Hillary Clinton using a private email server, that may or may not contain evidence of some unstated crime, but think it is no big deal that 47 seditious Senators sent a letter to Iran that undermines peace talks and threatens to push us closer to war ...
then you are deeply embedded in "The Bubble"
Classic Emails (9 pages)
My attack on anti-vaxxers
(and by mistake - one anti-anti-vaxxer)
And just when we were all getting to know one another
and I thought I could almost feel real bonds being formed ...
they all went silent
Major breakthrough in the war on Alzheimer's
Just how bad are things in Egypt?
This bad
While the Senate admitted that they've been lying about global warming
and that it is real and not a hoax ...
the House of Representatives is still holding out
Blocking the speech of scientists proves that they know they are wrong -
but they just don't care: their only concern is shilling for the rich.
And sadly, they also know that their constituents will support them
because a majority of the voters who make up their base are ...
dumber than dogshit
The picture we all had of the Milky Way Galaxy has been refined.
It is now defined, not as a smooth disk, but as "corrugated."
That also means that the Milky Way is 50% larger than previous estimates.
Christians continue to defy America's laws.
Now you know why they wave the flag so furiously ...
it's to distract you from what they are really doing
The religious objection to gay marriage
(on the grounds that it cannot result in childbirth)
may soon have to be discarded.
Two-dad babies may soon become a reality
Then they will be forced to object on truthful grounds:
that they are simply hate-filled bigots
whose discrimination is based on ancient, violent scriptures
written by ancient, violent people.
This story might make you puke. But don't feel bad ... you won't be alone.
Of all the people in the world,
who do you think has made the most money off quantum physics?
Niels Bohr? Paul Dirac? Richard Feynman? Werner Heisenberg?
or maybe John von Neumann? Max Planck? or Erwin Schrodinger?
Not even close. That honor belongs to a mind far more powerful than any of those listed above: Deepak Chopra. Here is a picture of him when he was young and he wrote a book which claimed that aging is not inevitable.
And here is a picture of Deepak as he looks today
Oh well, I guess the anti-aging thing didn't work out so well for him,
but quantum physics has made him filthy rich,
so at least he won't go away empty-handed ...
(I just wish he would go away)
Brigitte Gabriel shows us how to deal with those who resort to the tactic,
"Not all Muslims are violent - most are peaceful" (4:51)
Now let's take a look at the other side ...
Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks questioned Gabriel's claims and sources (8:47)
So, who's got their facts straight?
And who's playing loose with the data?
(Evaluation of this data by J.T. Eberhard)
It looks like Gabriel is the one who knows what she is talking about.
Cenk Uygur managed to demonstrate just about every logical fallacy in Wikipedia
in that 9-minute hack job. His best line was:
"It's amazing what happens when facts run up against prejudice"
That was a classic example of being completely oblivious to the fact that,
Cenk wasn't describing Gabriel ... he was describing himself.
Elliot Spitzer also took Gabriel to task (11:54)
When Spitzer asked, where Gabriel got her information about radical Muslim infiltration in the U.S., Gabriel gave him a detailed answer, including several names. Spitzer ignored the names she gave, and then tried to make it appear as though she had evaded the question. So Gabriel then gave him another name, and all Spitzer could do was say "we will follow up on that."
So, all that line of questioning got Spitzer was egg on his face,
since Gabriel provided a name and he had no reply.
Next Spitzer shows tape of Gabriel speaking.
He then takes her words out of context
and spouts the usual "are you saying all Muslims are evil" Straw Man argument.
Gabriel immediately set him straight about whom she was referring to
(and it wasn't
Her reply to Spitzer about the Arab Spring events proved prophetic as the Egyptian military would soon have to remove the democratically-elected Muslim Brotherhood leaders when they tried to destroy Egypt's fledgling democracy and replace it with a Muslim theocracy. I loved it when Spitzer said "history will tell us 10 years from now who is right."
Well Mr. Spitzer we only had to wait 2 years to get the answer ...
and it was Gabriel who was right - not you.
Gabriel then specifically differentiated between radical Muslims and moderates,
making it clear to everyone (except those like Spitzer)
that she does not consider all Muslims terrorists.
Since this contradicted the picture that Spitzer was trying to paint of Gabriel,
he defended his mischaracterizations of Gabriel's comments
by claiming that he was judging her by "the entirety of her comments."
So since Spitzer couldn't defeat her on an actual point-by-point basis,
and her replies disproved his Straw Man argument,
Spitzer was forced to throw his hands up and refer to a vague generalization
in a desperate attempt to save face.
Spitzer closes by again accusing Gabriel
of painting all Muslims with one broad brush,
basically ignoring her detailed explanations to the contrary.
So Spitzer has failed as a governor
(forced out over a prostitution scandal while married)
and now he has failed as an objective journalist.
Hopefully, Elliot will someday find ...
something that he is good at
Alabama Supreme Court bans gay marriage, defying the Federal government
I wonder why Judge Roy Moore is standing in front of an American flag
instead of the flag he actually honors and supports ... the Confederate flag.
Fundamentalist Christians continue to prove that
"hypocrisy" is a synonym for "Christianity"
Cell type changed in a single process.
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Republican representative from Idaho fights to protect religious parents who ...
let their children die from preventable diseases
Finally we have found a Republican woman dumber than Sarah Palin. My proof?
"Reformers want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it's not - it's a way of life."
Death is a way of life.
Even Sarah Palin would be rolling on the floor in hysterics from that one.
Remember last month when the Senate voted 98-1
that global warming was not a hoax but an actual problem?
That one nay vote was
James Inhofe.
But watch Inhofe a month later in the Senate
So what the hell is he doing with the snowball?
Why has he gone back to climate denial?
Was he lying then ... or is he lying now?
What this does show is that these goofballs
have so little respect for their base
that they know they can lie their asses off
and freely contradict themselves
without fear of losing their jobs.
(something Fox News has already taught us)
Remember that most of their constituents don't believe in evolution,
but do believe that the sun stopped in the sky for a whole day
because an invisible man told it to.
This is what makes our task so difficult:
evil people playing morons for the fools that they are,
all for the purpose of making the rich ... richer.
Yet somehow, we have to figure out how to get through to them.
No, I wasn't talking about getting through to the evil ones ...
I meant the morons
Humans are advancing into the future ... by baby steps.
Lawsuits filed to grant personhood to certain animals
I like some of their ideas but I think "personhood" is going a little overboard. Also, it is naive to believe that animals in the wild are better off than their counterparts in zoos and those kept as pets. Most 'kept' animals are the luckiest that have ever existed in Earth's history. Freedom is great - but is no match for security, food, and love. Watch videos showing how most animals struggle for survival and the violent end that is guaranteed for most of them and you should be able to understand just how fortunate most 'kept' animals are.
However, the above does not apply to mistreated pets, laboratory animals, and other animals who suffer at the hands of humans. Those are the ones that this group needs to be concentrating their efforts on.
Leave the lucky ones ... alone
You might recall that in Egypt a couple of years ago
Muslims surrounded a Coptic Christian church to protect it
Now a "similar" story out of Norway
Those Egyptian Muslims were brave. They risked their lives to stand against their fellow Muslims who had recently murdered Coptic Christians, and were threatening more churches.
But this is not the same situation at all. These Muslims weren't protecting the synagogue from other Muslims. This is Norway where only 2% of the population is Muslim.
Religion in Norway
Their true motive is to be found in their own words:
"No to anti-Semitism and No to Islamophobia."
What Islamophobia?
A Muslim killed one victim at a conference on free speech and then killed a Jew. There was no Islamophobia in any of that. So their words make no sense unless you understand what they are really saying. They are really asking Norwegians not to lump all Muslims into the same category as the murderer. They are motivated by a desire to avoid retaliation and prevent a violent backlash in a predominantly Christian nation.
The Muslims who surrounded the churches in Egypt were true modern heroes.
These guys ... not so much
One of the leading scientists promoted by global warming deniers
goes down in a ball of flames
I love the part about this "expert" not even being an actual climatologist.
This guy is just an aerospace engineer - and a crook.
The good news is: it sounds like he may be sending out resumes soon.
I'm sure the Koch Brothers can find a nice position for him
in return for all the services he provided for them.
I like this definition from Wiktionary:
"shill": A person paid to endorse a product favourably ...
while pretending to be impartial
DNA analysis indicates America was colonized by Siberians ~20,000 years ago (1:20)
Remember this picture from a few years ago?
Kirk Cameron was doing his imitation of Stephen Hawking ...
just the way that Jesus taught him
Last night, the actor who portrayed Hawking
in the movie "The Theory of Everything"
received the Oscar for Best Actor.
So how did Cameron and his movie "Saving Christmas" do?
Cameron slaughtered Hawking by winning FOUR awards!
(1) Worst Movie
(2) Worst Screenplay
(3) Worst Screen Combo
(4) Worst Actor
(Oh yeah, I guess I forgot to mention that Cameron's awards were "Razzies")
And just to add insult to injury, the internet movie database (IMDB)
rated "Saving Christmas" as the worst movie of all time.
Let's put that in perspective, shall we?
Here is part of Kirk's acceptance speech:
"And I would like to thank Jesus, without Whom,
none of this would have been possible"
John Fugelsang on hypocritical Conservative Christians (4:12)
Liberal icon Bill Maher bitterly disappoints the skeptical community
with his anti-vax nonsense (12:30)
But Orac takes him, and his panel, down
point by point
Now THAT ... was a beautiful read
A man gets angry during a conversation with a stranger
and begins stabbing the man.
A good samaritan tries to intervene and is also stabbed.
First watch the video (1:06) and then read the story
The CNN news report never once mentioned Islam
even though that was
reason why the suspect attacked the victim.
(No. This was not similar to the Chapel Hill murders)
Classic Emails (4 pages)
After an Atheist murdered 3 Muslims in North Carolina ...
some writers got it wrong
Her essay generated over 1,000 comments
many of which, tried to tell her the same thing I did.
(maybe that's why she got so "touchy?")
Bad news for Ayn Rand's Objectivists
The more gray matter you have, the more altruistic you are
And before you Ghost Worshipers try to jump in on this one,
altruism doesn't apply when you give money to your ghost.
That's because you are expecting a return on that investment.
As the article points out, altruism is done out of empathy for others.
It applies when you have nothing to gain, and it may even cause you to suffer ...
by sacrificing your own welfare to help others
Even in ancient Egypt, before anyone ever imagined inventing Christianity or Islam,
religion was still screwing up the place and ruining lives.
Canada legalizes euthanasia
Which groups opposed it?
Who else ... religious groups
In 2003, judge Roy Moore was removed from office in Alabama
over his refusal to remove the 10 Commandments from public property.
But in their infinite wisdom, Alabama voters put him back in office
and he is now the chief justice of the state supreme court.
In a display of unmatched egotism, Moore has again defied federal orders
by directing Alabama judges to refuse to honor the federal order
that removed the ban against gay marriage.
Judge Roy Moore defies federal orders ... again
Someone needs to inform this treasonous little bastard that ...
The Confederacy lost
For years I've had to bite my lip every time a study came out
touting the benefits of moderate alcohol consumption. Now ...
it looks like my intuition may have been right
Atheist nutjob murders 3 Muslims over a parking dispute
If there is a silver lining in this horrific tragedy
it is that the incarceration of this craphead
will nearly double the number of Atheists in prison;
something that Christians have been hoping for ...
for a long, long time
Science proves itself to be stranger than fiction ... once again
Baby girl is born (yay!) ...
pregnant with 2 fetuses (uh, say what?)
Republican Conservative Christians went nuts at the "National Prayer Breakfast"
when Obama hit them with historical reality.
Imagine the uproar if Obama had shown them ... this picture
Did you notice the tree full of loving Christians in the background
trying to get a better view of the murder?
ISIS has nothing on Christians
This is what happens when society
sets higher standards and requirements for hairdressers ...
than it does for politicians
Remember her bizarre speech after her teleprompter malfunctioned last week?
She couldn't even string together coherent sentences.
This is the same person who, like a little kid,
wrote on her hand with a magic marker
to remind herself what she wanted to say in a speech.
Is this really the person we want to have ... with her finger on the button?
And I thought I had some bad dates
Sometimes we win ... and sometimes we lose
Ghost Worshiper gets down payment on a house for winning an insane case
(It sounds like the O.J. Simpson jury got together for a reunion)
Paris mayor threatens to sue Fox News
Am I the only one who sees the irony here?
"When we're insulted, and when we've had an image, then I think we'll have to sue, I think we'll have to go to court, in order to have these words removed. The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honor of Paris has been prejudiced."
Is there anything Mayor Hidalgo said
that couldn't have been said by radical Muslims
during the Charlie Hebdo incident?
It's amazing how blind she can be to her own hypocrisy.
Also, before going into court ...
Hidalgo may want to straighten this out first (4:40)
Chicken Pox Parties
My official statement: Any parent who intentionally gets their child infected with chicken pox, or any other communicable disease, should have their children taken from them, and then be sent to Federal Prison. After their release, they should be prohibited from ever raising children again.
(Unofficially ... you don't want to know what I really think should be done to them)
"Better" News Clubs
I already have my introduction speech written
for when schools invite me to be a guest speaker for the Better News Club:
Ahem ... Uh ... So ... Their club tells you that you were born a worthless piece of shit, deserving of eternal torture. Our club gives you the truth: that you are one of the most amazing creatures to have ever existed on this planet.
Their club gives you fairy tales and tells you they are true.
We give you cool scientific facts ... which actually are true.
At their club, you will spend spend a lot of time talking to yourself with your eyes closed, and pretending that an invisible ghost is listening. At our club you will close your eyes and imagine a universe filled with all kinds of marvelous wonders.
At their club, you will be taught whom to hate.
At our club, you will be given the skills to battle the haters,
and to contribute to making this world a better place.
At their club you will be taught to worship
an evil invisible monster who murders, enslaves, and tortures.
At our club you will learn how to free yourself
from the threats of their invisible monster ...
Classic Emails (1 page)
I sent the following email to a long list of global warming deniers
after Senate Republicans voted to finally admit
that climate change was real and was not a hoax:
TITLE: Nearly every Republican Senator admits to lying about climate change
Senate Republicans abandon climate denialists
Now what are you reality-deniers going to do?
Nearly 100% of scientists were against you.
Now nearly 100% of Republican senators are against you.
They abandoned ship and left all you freaks to drown in a sea of humiliation.
Now, who have you got left on your side?
Religious nutjobs? That one senator who voted nay? Sarah Palin?
Hey, I know ... how about Bill O'Reilly?
He still hasn't figured out what makes the tides go in and out.
But even he knows better than to make a complete ass of himself:
Bill O'Reilly - not a global warming denier
And when even Republican senators
don't want anything more to do with you,
and are willing to admit they've been lying to the public,
rather than continue to be associated with you ...
that pretty well tells you where you stand in society.
You people have always been, still are, and always will be ...
the biggest idiots in America
So just how stupid are Americans when it comes to science?
Embarrassingly stupid
But the stupidity of some scientists, who should know better ...
is even more embarrassing
Here is a perfect example of the law of "power" which states:
"it's never about being right or wrong; what matters is ...
you are."
ESPN reporter punished for defending evolution
If we ever become a rational society,
it will be about right and wrong ... and not about power
Boy admits that when he was involved in a terrible car crash
that left him a quadriplegic at age 6,
he made up the story about dying and returning from Heaven.
It's been a hot Christian propaganda item for 5 years.
Many bookstores are now pulling the book.
But for all those millions of Ghost Worshipers who were tricked by a little boy
who told them what they desperately wanted to believe,
we now have an answer to the question:
Are you smarter ... than a first-grader?
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Anna Faris Is Eating More Before Her Wedding
Reality Check: Anna Faris Is Eating More Before Her Wedding
It's easy to lose focus on the big picture while wedding planning. A romantic engagement suddenly warps into a stressful process, and this stress is often accentuated by the pressure some brides feel to lose weight for the big day.
Anna Faris is turning her back on the idea of spending months before her wedding regulating everything she eats or turning the gym into her second home. She's getting more comfortable in the skin she has, and instead of worrying about fitting in an extra workout or counting every calorie, Anna is spending more time with her fiancé. To see what she said when asked if she plans on buckling down before the big day, read more.
I am fattening it up! Now that I have a man, I'm like, "Oh, I don't have to try anymore! Now I can eat." We love to splurge at home. We love to cook. My fiancé is an incredible eater, and so he's really fun to feed, and it's great to share some wine and watch a movie. He's always like, "Baby, don't lose that butt!"
While "fattening it up" isn't appealing to most brides-to-be, I love that Anna is remembering to enjoy herself during her engagement. It's always important to be active and eat healthily, but Anna's attitude is a reminder for brides to give themselves a break.
For more wedding tips, check out all of the Sugar network's wedding coverage here.
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"Child of the South"
I didn't read the book, so don't know. I enjoy listening and can do that while driving, don't often get the chance to set and read.
Eugenia...she was the main character and easy to follow. A strong, opinionated, caring woman that many of us , including myself, would like to be.
It gave a vivid insight to what the south was like in the days following slavery and how hard the black had to work to become free and have a voice!
There were parts that were a few times I got lost in trying to follow what was going on...but for the most part, it kept my attention.
She did and great job narrating.
No, just thought provoking, wondering how I would have felt about the black during this time period and, would I have been that cruel??
"I love Ken Follet's novels, this is no exception."
Ken Follett's' books keep me spell bound, another novel that, for me, was hard to stop listening to until the end.
I love the time period of which he writes....my imagination soars!
The whole story.
John Lee did an excellent job in his narration, making the characters come to life.
I look forward to seeing the movie.
"Very Entertaining"
A great mystery that keeps you guessing.
Unlike many of Patterson's murder mystery, this one is lighter without the blood and gore.
The end results were a mystery until the end....very well written.
Very well read, keeping your imagination alive.
I'm not sure about the "Tag Line" but I would definitely go to see the movie.
A great mystery.
"A Breath of Snow and Ashes"
The story was very hard to follow and the narrator extremely hard to listen to.
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Book club , Dining out , Hobbies and crafts , Movies/Videos , Museums and art , Music and concerts , Exploring new areas , Nightclubs/Dancing , Travel/Sightseeing , Wine tasting
Billiards / Pool, Bowling, Dancing, Other types of exercise, Skiing
I exercise 1-2 times per week.
I like Cats, Dogs
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Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
I'm completely reading this as the song so ...these are a few of my favorite things...My nook, my family and friends, anything modern in design, smiles, anything baby in size (i.e. puppies), sarcasm, banter.
Gone Girl because my inner nerd enjoys reading books that become movies or series. Still need to see the movie!
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Show me your OSMO finished floor
I am cross posting on Flooring- but thought I would see if anyone has pics of an Osmo Polyx finish floor. I have red oak, which I would like to keep the same color it is unfinished. Anyone have pics?
Okey doke. So here we go:
It's one before and one after (darker is after of course). The darker is RIGHT after we applied it so it's a little darker than it turned out.
Then there are too where we had done half the room and not yet the other half.
Questions welcome!
Here is a link that might be useful: My osmo floors
amberley, don't know if this helps, but the guy that did our floors (Rick at Colonial Plank Floors) mostly uses the osmo oil. (we opted for the poly) but here is his photo gallery. all the pics that say "natural oil finish" is osmo
Here is a link that might be useful: Colonial Plank Floors
Fabulous! That is exactly what I want! I have lots of questions, especially since you DIYed the floors. Your fir color looks very similar to my red oak, and the change in color looks pretty minimal, which is good!
One of the main reasons I am choosing this over Waterlox is the smell, and also the dry time. How soon after the first coat did you recoat? How soon were you able to walk on the second coat, and then move furniture back in? We have 2 kids and an active 1 year old lab. When do you think it would be "safe"? How easy did you find the application process? Did you do it by hand or did you use the Osmo brush?
I am hoping to do half of the floor (kitchen and DR) and then do the other half (LR and hall) the following week.
Here's osmo on red oak:
Both from the blog of LeBlanc Floors in Seattle, who apparently use osmo exclusively. Link below is to more red oak pictures, and their blog shows tons of other osmo examples on other types of wood.
Sounds like you're gettin' closer!
Here is a link that might be useful: leblanc floors blog
circus- great links! Thanks for letting me know about Osmo in the first place. After doing alot of research, and waffling between stain and paint, I think that this finish is going to be the best one for me.
Hope morgne shimes in again about the finishing process!
I am just dropping a note to say I'm on my way to work now but we had a SUPER EASY time refinishing the floor and I'd never go back to using something else now.
I'll take the time to do a good sized post about it this afternoon as soon as I get back.
OKAY! I'm home. Lol. SO. The osmo. Here we go:
1) THE MONEY: Our floor DRANK the osmo. It's coverage varies wildly and apparently old, dry wood just acts like a sponge. I would suggest figuring out the amount you need and then at least doubling it to get a better figure if budget is a concern at all.
2) THE ACCESSORIES: The people who make osmo also have brushes and rags and yada yada yada. We bought zero accessories. We were doing so little square footage at a time, a couple hundred feet here and a couple hundred feet there, so we just used the old kitchen towels we were throwing away at the end of the remodel anyway.
3)THE WOOD: We pulled up old growth fir from our 1910 house and then used a planer to remove the paint from it. So it was extremely dry to begin with and already aclimated to the house and weather.
4)THE PREPARATION: We laid the newly planed wood down and then right before applying the osmo we ran over it with a only just damp rag to pull up any dust that had settled in the room. That was a good idea because we pulled up a lot of dust. The trick was to have the rag damp enough to hold the dust but not damp enough to get the floor wet.
4)APPLICATION: We used the osmo the same way we would oil a piece of furniture. The two of us started in the corner farthest from the door and one person had the container and wet rag other had a dry rag. The first person started moving forward doing about a 3x3 foot section at a time on their hands and knees. After about 5 minutes the dry guy comes along behind and just literally rubs the oil both in and off. The important bit is that the wet is very wet and the dry is very dry. You slop it on and then ALL of it has to come off. Just like a stain. It probably took about... an hour to do each room that we've done. And your back hurts and your knees ache and you think... I shoulda bought the brushes. Except I'm glad we didn't because it turned out SO well.
5)WAITING: We followed the instructions exactly. As I remember it we did coat one on day one and coat two on day three and then waited 7 days before puting furniture on stills (like desks) and 14 more days before putting down rugs and low sitting furniture.
6) THE SMELL and such: I have alot of chemical sensitivity issues (I spent 3 days in the hospital because a landlord ignored my request and shampood the carpeting) and I slept in the room after day 7 with no issues.
7) AFTER TIME: Those pictures are from 3 years ago and the floor has mellowed into absolutely beautiful. I couldn't be happier with it. I just LOVE it. LOVE, love, LOVE. And we haven't babied it at all. Though it's technically the bedroom, we do in fact have a bed in it, it's also been the ONLY living space for the past three years. We walk around in it with our work boots straight from the construction site that is the rest of our house. We've spilt soda, soup, etc and it wipes up like a dream.
THE CAVEAT: This floor does not, and will not ever, look like poly finished flooring. It is mellow and soft and lovely. It has a few scratches and dents and they are part of the joy.
I am actually glad it doesn't look like poly! The only question I have is about the wait time after the second coat. I am planning to do the kit/DR first, which I can close off to traffic for as long as necessary. However, the living room is a different story. Our only way from the upstairs is through there, so I need to know how soon I can let my kids (and in particular the dog) use the floor. I can wait to put furniture and the rugs back in without a problem. I am sending the kids and DH to the MIL's house for the LR finishing. I was hoping to do the 1st coat on a Thursday am, second coat on a Friday am, and then have the kids back on Monday. Do you think this will work, or should I plan for a longer period of time?
Also, do you think I could do this by myself? Obviously it would take longer.
Oh, and I have plenty of cotton rags- so it sounds like I don't need to get any of the "stuff". I found a place that has 10 L for $400, which is what I figured I would get. It seems like at least double the amount I would need, and if I have any left, we do plan to do the stairs and the second floor next year. Our red oak is from 1942, except for the kitchen, which is from 1951, I don't think any of it had been sanded before. Did you sand to the recommended 100 grit?
On the timeline I think you could be okay depending on what you need from the living room. For instance, if it has the three days, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, to dry and you just need it to be walk-through good then I'd say you are definitely okay. Would you guys want to be hanging out in that area or could you party in a different part of the house that week?
I think doing it by yourself is doable. It will take twice as long but as long as you are carefull to do floor in pieces so the dry coat can be done very quickly after the wet then I think you're big problem would be sheer physical endurance. Boy I'm glad we don't handscub the floors in this modern century!!! My concern about one person is just that if you get too tired to move fast enough the osmo could start to dry... which is then a problem.
Sadly, I can give no advice on the sanding. Since we removed the wood and ran it through the planer it's very smooth already. Traditionally, or maybe normally, after the floor is laid people sand it smooth. We opted not to do that. I love to feel the edges of the wood and the grain with my toes. So we did not sand at all. LMAO. Everyone looks appalled when I say that but they are quite satisfied in my house barefoot and often comment on how cool the texture is.
Having said that, I wouldn't recommend to someone else to not sand. Our wood was literally brand new after the planer and if someone weren't doing that I think there is a possiblity that previous oils, dirts, etc would interfere with real penetration of the osmo.
Osmo is PERFECT for a test case though. After all, if you try it out on a small area ... say 10 feet? And don't like it then when you sand it would come right off. Remember that Osmo doesn't store indefinitely when opened the way paint does. So if you wouldn't put it down for six months then I'd hesitate to open the big can now.
You guys are awesome! I'm now researching OSMO finish for our kitchen flooring. I love the look. Do you think we could install cabinets on top in a week? Less (hopefully)?
I have to say absolutely not.
Osmo requires "breathing space" for almost 3 weeks after. Because it's an oil based product it's very important to allow that time so that it may evaporate properly. I would be very concerned that it would be too soon.
Having said that, do your cabinets have built in toe kicks or is the front open? If the front was open and you had fans and things to help circulate air then maybe I might chance it. You can put furniture on it as long as it doesn't inhibit air flow across the floor. It would be a real judgement call for sure. I'd look carefully at the instructions.
Somehow I missed the responses to my last post about this! Thanks morgne for your answer. I already have the floors sanded (that was done weeks ago). It was sanded to 100 grit. My DH is taking the kids on Wednesday night to my MIL's house and won't return until Sunday late afternoon. I plan to do the first coat on Thursday am, second on Friday am. If necessary, I can have the kids stay at my mom's for a day or too longer after they get back. I can leave the furniture completely off the floor as long as necessary.
I am doing it in 2 halves. The first half will be the living room/hallway. I can't do the kitchen/dr until it is cured enough to put the furniture back in, since I can't move it out of the house.
GOOD LUCK! Don't forget that you owe us pictures.
Standard cautionary tales: Make sure that you pay attention to the rag to garbage procedure, the disposal instructions that come with it when you're done. This stuff is oil based so requires you to be careful with how you handle it. It supposed to evaporate or whatever once it's dry but be careful until then.
I'm attaching a link to one of my happy DIYer sites that has an accidental blog about that type of thing.
Here is a link that might be useful: One of my favorite sites...
I missed your response to me. Thanks so much for the info! The time lag is something to consider. I wonder if I won't be able to DIY the floors after all. If we need to have our family stay at a hotel for a several days, that may negate the cost benefits. So complicated...
There is an FAQ here:
which has a link to the installation instructions.
The floor should be sanded with a grit between 100 and 150, and persons sensitive to chemicals should use nitrile gloves and a respirator with charcoal filters.
We used linseed oil as the first finish coat on our original fir trim (it's gorgeous, really brings out the grain). I was blithely ignorant, but thankfully my guy knew about the dangers and he always insisted on laying all soaked rags out flat on the driveway to dry before disposal.
I've gotten into the habit for pretty much all oil-based finishes I use, just in case. Plus it does help dissipate the odor much faster than if you wad them up in a can.
Drumming fingers, waiting for Amberley's numerous OSMO-in-process photos.. ;-)
Not to throw confusion into the mix, but has anyone heard of Fiddes Hardwax Oil? It is supposed to be comparable to OSMO in performance, and can be recoated in 4 hours, and is available in different sheens.
Here is a link that might be useful: comparison
I wish I had a good answer for you. I put a ton of time into my selection but didn't have the OSMO pro as an available option. Have you located a local seller? My guess is that it's not quite the quality of the others simply because I don't know how you would speed up the evaporation process without some kind of chemical reaction???
Dear Morgne, On March 12, you gave us a fine analysis. The caveat is what's bothering me. You said there were a few scratches and dents. I am looking for a bulletproof wood 'topping' for a kitchen that gets great wear and tear. Our maple floors, 1987, are trashed.
I don't want scratches or dents no matter how soft and pretty the floor is. Am I correct that Osmo is not for me?Thanks. i hope you're still around.
I am always here it seems like. Lol.
Hmm. Some of the answers to your question are more nebulous than I'd like them to be but I'll try.
First, the floors that we have are 100 year old cvg fir. That means that the grain runs the length of the wood. Cvg fir is KNOWN for producing small splinters lengths from the edges until they wear down to smoothness. My floor does that. That means the edges look frayed and older than they would have normally. I'm pleased with that but I'm going for a look more in keeping with the time period of my house (1910). Also, Fir is a soft wood by definition. ANY finish is going to mark and marr. It simply not as hard as many others.
I think it would be fair to say that the room in question (in my case it's a bedroom 12x16) gets way, way more wear than the average kitchen. We have lived in this teeny room exclusively for the past 2 plus years. It is the only room that has flooring in it (except the kitchen which isn't truly up and running yet) and the only room with furniture. I want to be totally clear that every minute that someone is in the house but not actually working on the house they are in this one room. Once you take my king size bed into account you are looking at a 4 foot walk path around the room that has been the sole walking area for ENTIRE house. That means through the entire construction process, all the boots, tools (heck we even have lumber stacked in the corner!) etc have come through here. I live in portland oregon so those are what? 700 days of soggy clothes and muddy boots. I also work from home so 6-10 hrs of everyday I wander around in there and roll back and forth on the floors with my rubber wheeled office chair. There was also a robbery so the room was trashed entirely by people who really could not care less. They knocked things over, threw things around and in general were ... well, robbers. Last, but certainly not least, every disgusting microwave meal, every take out meal, cup o' soup and every cold sandwhich has been eaten in this room. We have spilt soda, milk, water by the gallons and there was one regrettfull incident that involved a mini catapult bought at a childs store and several boxes of various candies (okay... the incident may have involved a LOT of wine and been 4 hours long and involved some friends and a tiny dog but i'm not saying more than that).
This room is a WAR ZONE. It's difficult to properly clean since it's the only room in house with stuff and I don't have a place to clean/or use? a mop to my satisfaction. AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT!!!
I have a client who has shiny new flooring in her house and you immediately notice every glaring nick or scratch while these floors hide it like a pro. I am continually happy with how the floor looks and behaves.
If your interested enough I'll come home tomorrow and put real effort into getting a matching "current" picture for the "old" pictures I posted. That way you can see the time lapse. I love the product and will never, ever, EVER use anything else.
Ok, Morgne, you win-the dubious honor of the greatest possible abuse of a beautiful wood floor. It is not meant to be sarcastic in any way, possibly humorous, but that does not always appeal to all humors. Yes, your poor floor gets humannnned over and above the call of duty that any floor should sustain. My once beautiful maple floor got trashed mostly when the felt pads on the 2 ton chairs disappeared. From then on it was, "I'm moving out of this dump" Whose fault is that? This was a reasonably nice house once in the late '70's and my husband's favorite, "I'm never moving because it doesn't flood!" like it's the only Chgo house that doesn't flood. And DH(and that phrase needs some rethinking) hates the 'lines' in the floor- the lines that are between each individual board. He'd not do too well in a really old house, altho we have a 1922 crap-ola, albeit cute and well loved, beach cottage,-he blames me for. We now have $1 sf laminate thruout the beach house, not shiny-actually gorgeous. It's even impervious to truckloads of sand. Go figure.
I suppose, as of late, I have given more info than needed. Lonely, kitchen crazed, ran out of pals who'd listen, don't know. How do Plllog/Buehl, et al, keep their appearance of sanity? Where was I? Oh, yeah, Osmo.
WAR Zone!!!! Great line. You made great points. I love Waterlox, not the fumes.
Hey all- about a little more than halfway done the LR/hall and WOW does this stuff go on easily. It looks like silk. I am exhausted as I am doing this alone, but it is going to be worth it in the end I think. I will post pics tonight.
It has very similar qualities to soapstone I've decided.
Done! At least the first half- the LR/hall. I will wait about a week or two to do the kitchen and dr, since I have all the furniture piled up in there.
I can't believe how easy it was to apply. At it has a perfect luster finish. Perfect. I will put pics up soon- but they really don't do it justice.
morgne- thank you for all of your assistance! I used rags as well- old cloth diapers and undershirts worked REALLY well- and I would have probably used the brush method had I not heard that from you.
Oh, and the best part? I only used just under half of ONE 2.5L can for BOTH coats in the LR/hall. Since there is less SF in the kit/DR, I don't think that I will even open the other can!! So grand total for refinishing the whole first floor (pro doing sanding, me doing refinshing) will be $970. Add my hardwoods (salvage) in the kitchen and the total flooring cost FOR THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR is only $1190!!
Amberly! You promised us pics!!! I'm glad that it's looking good to you. The overall look changes very little from wet to dry so I'm sure you'll be happy.
The diapers were probably perfect. The only issue I ever had was how crappy my back felt at the end of the day. Lol.
Penny saved is a penny spent elsewhere, right?!
Pictures please!
Sorry about not posting these right away- we stayed at my mom's the last 2 nights and I didn't have the driver for the memory card.
I don't really have good before pics- the floor was covered with dust- but you can see the difference in the finish color/condition in the pic of the steps (treads are old/original finish- floor below is with Osmo.
Osmo floor finished with original stair finish
Most of the pics are showing much darker than in real life. The best color match to real life is pics 4-6.
OMG my hands hurt! You weren't kidding! For that reason I am not so much looking forward to doing the kit/dr. I tried to move 4x8 sheets of masonite last night and I could barely pick them up!
My fav thing so far- the dog walked on it 24 hours later and it looks great! No marks!!
I am loving this floor more and more. We have been generally walking only with socks, but the kids have forgotten a few times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt it at all.
Morgen- do you think it would be safe to put low-lying furniture in after 10 days or so? I can't do the other half of the floor until I can move the low-lying furniture into the living room. I am chomping at the bit to get the rest of this finished!
I DO think you could put in the low lying furniture then. I would still wait a few more weeks for anything like a rug or bean bag but I do think you can get it in.
I'm so glad you like it. We put our bed in place early as well as our desk and I felt okay about that as long as we heaped the blankets on top during the day time to allow air flow.
Amberley, There's an OSMO finished floor in House Beautiful (May, The Advice Issue). Looks nice. How are your floors coming along?
As an aside, there's also a painted floor (pretty bold) in This Old House this month. Like a quilt pattern, but I tend to think that a tone on tone of the same design could be quite gorgeous.
I decided to split up the kitchen and dining room for that exact reason. There is a natural dividing point (board running perpendicular separating the 2 spaces). I really paid for it physically after the LR side. Aside from the general soreness, my physical Lyme symptoms REALLY acted up for a about a week.
Just finished the kitchen and I am thrilled with how seamless the salvage boards in the kitchen match the original hardwoods in the rest of the space. It looks like they were alwys there.
I am SO happy I decided to clear coat with OSMO. It is really a fantastic product. I am looking to get the Top Oil to finish my butcherblock now too. Have you used the OSMO cleaning products? I was about to order those as well. Looks like I will be able to send back at least one of the cans, and maybe 2. I may be able to do two coats of 775 SF with one can!! Crazy!!
Yea seconded! It is SO silky but I wasn't going to describe my floors that way first. Lol.
I haven't used any of the cleaning products. Thats mostly because in my littel room I just clean with a rag and water and it turns out great. In a bigger room I might try something more impressive. I can't wait to see how it all ends for you.
I am getting a couple of walnut boards planed from my local wood guy- I can't WAIT to put some OSMO on those! They will go a across the stretchers on the seating side of my island for a foot rail. I also plan to coat my wooden cabinet knobs with it (they will be stained dark walnut as well).
DH loves it so much he can't wait for this project to be finished so he can build a piece of furniture and use it on that!
Hello to everyone using and enjoying OSMO floor finish--I have a question for you re: where did you purchase your OSMO product? I live in the SE--sadly, no dealer listed on Ecohaus' website. Has anyone purchased from an out of state retailer, and would you recommend them?
Amberley: thank you so much for posting this question, your progress pics, and thanks to everyone for posting information on how-to apply, what to expect, etc. I had no idea OSMO existed until this thread and I've been following Amberley's progress. Really beautiful job!
TIA for any information re: a recommended retailer!
I got mine from ecohaus BUT I live in the same town as them so I just drove in to pick it up. I really like the people there so for what it's worth:
I got mine from Amicus Green Building Center in Kensington, MD. I live in MD, but decided not to brave DC traffic, as they sent it to me for $13 shipping (and that was 3 2.5L cans!). They were very knowledgeable and friendly. They also have a 30 return policy, which I will be taking advantage of since the coverage was so great!
Morgne and Amberly: Thank you so VERY much for responding with the info. I guess I didn't cruise Ecohaus' site properly. I found MSR pricing, but I didn't see an option for purchase. I actually checked out Amicus' site briefly this afternoon, seeing as MD is about the closest to us (GA).
I'm actually going to try the Top Oil before doing our floors. I'm in the throes of choosing countertop materials--butcher block was an easy decision for part of our kitchen. I haven't treated both sections yet (yea Top Oil!).
Thank you once again for this fantastic information! Looks like I'll be joining Amberley's fatigued muscle ranks (this summer) when we have our floors installed!
I think you actually call and place the order over the phone. LMAO! How old school is that? I think that because there's a little picture of a woman holding a phone in the upper right corner of the screen. That's actually REALLY funny because I call and tell them my order just so that I can save a little time. I wonder how many employees I've confused by doing what they thought was an online order and then requesting pick up!
I want to use this product! your floors look beautiful.
I am worried that my flooring guy has probably never used it before and is likely to balk at the idea. Also, we are trying to match existing oak planks and run them in to the kitchen. So I am worried that after we sand that there might be a matching problem.
If we want to stain, do we need the Top Oil version?
tarnator: I think OSMO makes a stain that's meant to be used with their floor finishes. (link below) They offer tons of advice on their web site, so I'm thinking you can print that off for your floor guy.
I'm so thrilled with all the great OSMO results! I've been itching to try it forever -- highly recommended by a painter friend of mine, thus my recommendation to Amberley -- perhaps I can try it on some furniture just to see.
I'm also wondering if anyone has ever used their Park Lane outdoor deck finish ...
Here is a link that might be useful: Scroll down just a bit for all the OSMO products
So we are going to use IKEA birch butcherblock, which comes pre-treated with their oil product. Do you guys think I should sand it down first, or just apply the Top Oil?
So I had to put a third coat on the kitchen, by accident. I dumped the can!! I got most of it up, slowly, with a brush, but decided that with such a small amount of floor, the spot covered about 25% of it, so I might as well recoat the whole floor!
So that backed me up a day, and I took a day off today to do some gardening chores. On to the DR tomorrow!
Amberley--we have the IKEA beech butcherblock, and I will sand the pieces before applying the Top Oil. One piece I treated already with a beeswax/mineral oil combination (about two months ago), so I may need to sand that piece a little more than the other.
At least your kitchen will be well protected! :)
I just purchased the IKEA VDE which I believe has a solid Birch top. IÂve read so many posts here about Waterlox  how dose this Top Oil compare to that?
Amberly  you are working so hard. IÂve really enjoyed following your adventure. Your floors look amazing! You are a true inspiration. :-)
I will take pics of the DR/kit sometime in the next few days to show you all the finished floors! I haven't finished all the painting yet though, so it is still a work in progress.
Side note- the 5 year old dumped a whole cup of water on the 5 day finished floor. NO problems. Perfect. Love. It.
Amberly, so great to hear that it's still going well and yes, I'd definitely to a complete resand of any wood that already has a finish!
Jeri, waterlox and Osmo are not really similar products at all as far as I can tell. Waterlocks is more like a paint and osmo is more like a stain. There may be different kinds that stack up more closely though.
Watching for yours too poppy!
This thread has got me so interested in using the OSMO top oil for my Boos block table top. I was getting ready to use Waterlox but everything I read here and about the OSMO has got me so excited about this option. Can anyone help me about where to purchase the TOP OIL online? Ecohaus does not show it on their website and I am not near a store. Also if anyone has used the top oil yet on a countertop I'd love to hear feedback Thanks!
Don't care which anyone uses as they both sound like good products but for the record, Waterlox is nothing like a paint. It is an exceptionally durable oil-based wood finish which comes in various sheens and tinted. It's put on with a lamb's wool applicator and cures down.
As for water resistance, I Waterloxed our reclaimed chestnut oak powder room floor -- wide boards, lots of knots etc. Well, we had a clog in the sewer line and guess which room the system backed up into?
Uh huh. The powder room. Floor got soaked overnight. I had a tiny bit of cupping on one board (the other settled down after a firebrick was left on it) but the Waterlox finish is teflon. It is as perfect now as it was before -- after an overnight soaking (and yes, I disinfected).
Who even wants to tell such a story but I had amazing results with the Waterlox through a really bad issue.
I put the used rags in a large can filled with water. That helps soak out some of the stuff. Then I let them dry and let the water evaporate outside. When the rags are dry I pop them in a paper bag and burn them on a rainy day. It's not a big fire and problem solved.
Rocogirl, I was comparing waterlox to paint because it leaves a laquer or film on top of the wood as opposed to a stain which soaks into the wood. I don't know what you mean when you say it's nothing like that?
Waterlox IS an excellent product. In comparing it to paint there was no insult intended. I was just using the comparison to show that the two products, Waterlox and Osmo are not really comparible products in this case.
Waterlox is a tung oil finish. It leaves NO lacquer, NO film on a floor. It is nothing like paint and I'm sure no one meant to misstate its qualities -- though that appears to be the case.
I used Waterlox it on an antique wood floor and it looks exactly like my other 100% tung-oil finished floors except it is more durable.
When you go to both websites, the two products appear, in fact, to be similar though the Osmo uses sunflower, soybean and thistle oil, plus two hard, natural waxescarnauba (familiar in car wax and lipstick) and candelilla.
Osmo appears to have lower VOC mineral spirits and therefore, perhaps is greener.
I don't know how they actually differ in terms of VOCs (Waterlox definitely needs open windows though the smell goes away completely). Nor would it be possible to assess the long term wear of each unless they were in the same place.
I know Waterlox is very good and from the enthusiasm about the Osmo it seems to be as well.
But I do think it's important to accurately state what products are -- it's too easy to create misconceptions which I don't believe was intended.
Here is a link that might be useful: Waterlox
Okay, here we go again: These are the instructions for using waterlox on a countertop from the waterlox website: "6. After the last coat is dry, lightly sand the surface with 320 grit or 3/0 or 4/0 steel wool to smooth out the finish." If it was a stain type of application there is no finish to smooth. I'm really not trying to be argumentative but for the use in question, waterlox on a table top, there is a significant difference between that and the osmo being discussed for floors.
I say this as someone who also loves Waterlox for many uses: Waterlox is based on tung oil, but it's not actually an oil finish, since it is cooked up with solvent (phenolic resin). This changes the tung oil into an entirely different finish: a wiping varnish. Unlike a wax or oil finish (OSMO), you can build up film coats of Waterlox like any other varnish, sanding in between coats. I've done it. My bath floor has Waterlox and it's a great resilient floor finish. I've also used it on furniture. Because it has a high solvent content, it can be applied more thinly (although requires more coats) than a polyurethane -- but also smells more. (Yikes, that smell! And the low VOC version is even worse than the original.) But it is a gorgeous finish, no question.
Pure tung oil, on the other hand, which I've also used, doesn't build at all, it soaks in and if you apply too many coats, it just gets smeary and gunky. I don't think pure tung oil is used much if at all for floors; it wouldn't harden enough for any kind of wear. (We used it on some window trim to accentuate the grain.)
Here is a link that might be useful: also: Bob Flexner on oils and varnishes
circus -- my whole first floor (except for the Waterlox powder room floor) is 100% tung-oil finished. 4 coats. It's worn very well with no reapplication for 4 years now. It's absorbed, with a soft sheen; no gunk. We weren't living there and had fans on 24/7 for 36 hours to help the oil absorb.
My mantel, OTOH, which also is finished with tung oil (3 coats) was steel wooled in between each coat.
Perhaps my house would not meet official approval of the coatings folks (my contractor has his own very definite ideas) but one reason floors are not so often finished with tung oil these days is cost and the difficulty in finding people who know what they're doing with it. We only did the downstairs and had an upcharge for the oil.
The quote you linked above is really handy for clarification in this instance so I'll pull it in here.
Hi Leyla:
I happened across your post, and would like to address your question without making this to "too much" of a commercial.
The first thing I should make clear, is that while the solids in our products are mostly tung oil, Waterlox is NOT pure tung oil, but a complete wood finish.
Oil/wax and "hard oil" finishes are very popular in Europe, and are starting to make inroads into the US market. The ones that I have seen are indeed beautiful, and are repairable, but are not easy for an amateur to apply, they need to be reapplied on a regular basis, and will water spot. They cannot be tinted, and there is no choice of sheen.
(OK, here comes the commercial)
Our products are different from those that are 100% tung oil. We basically take Tung Oil (a superior drying oil), Resin and Mineral Spirits and cook all the ingredients into a complete wood finish that gives you the look and feel of a naturally oiled wood, with the additional benefit of forming a film that is waterproof, stands up to foot traffic, and protects against household spills, and is easy for an armature to apply...If you can roll paint on a wall, you can apply Waterlox.
Complete finishing instructions can be found on our web site: http://www.waterlox.com/site/478/default.aspx
David Zarzour
Marketing Manager
Waterlox Coatings Corp
I used Waterlox it on an antique wood floor and it looks exactly like my other 100% tung-oil finished floors except it is more durable. I stand corrected on the "film" however it's invisible.
Believe my point is more clearly made now thanks to you. (BTW that Festool drill you put me on to rocks. I'm still learning about it but what a beautiful instrument! A thousand thanks).
Morgne, amberley and others: After a delayed start date, I began my butcher block project today. After sanding, and sanding, and sanding...I had to keep sanding to take all the beeswax/mineral oil off the wood. I haven't applied OSMO yet--literally waiting for the dust to settle! Taking the beeswax off was a bit of a nightmare, but I want to be sure I give the OSMO the best surface to work with.
Just wanted to say I haven't forgotten about keeping up with my progress.
And buffalotina, if you are still shopping for OSMO TopOil, I purchased mine from Ecohaus in Seattle. Highly recommend them! No option for ordering online--call the number on their website. It arrived on the East Coast within two days!
I wanted to post that I successfully finished my Boos Block table with the Osmo Top Oil. It was a simple project and I love the results. It is a nice smooth satin finish, no shininess at all. It also did not change the color of the wood too much, just enhanced it. I am pleased with the top oil and it sounds like it will be easy to just lightly buff down the top and reapply if needed. Tina
Yes to all- I did finish. It just about killed me, but I did. It looks great, of course. I also used the Top oil on the IKEA butcher block, and I am thrilled with that too. We are still trying to get a piece of IKEA bb to finish the counter though. My two pieces didn't even remotely match in color, and they don't have any that do, and they don't have it on the website...sigh.
My DH wants to coat everything with OSMO. He loves it. My GC loves it too. Actually, everybody that has seen it seems to love it!!
I realize this post is super old, but I just wanted to share some critical information with anyone considering Osmo on their floors. I just finished installing 2800 SF of flooring and finishing it with Osmo. I think I like the look, but the verdict is still out. It's definitely a more rustic look, so keep this in mind. I don't know if we didn't sand well enough, but the floor finish is not as even as I would have liked. Hopefully the look will grow on me.
What I wanted everyone to know is that rags soaked with Osmo will spontaneously combust!!! There's a warning label on the can, but it's not especially noticeable, and we didn't read everything on the can. Well, let me just say... our rags spontaneously caught on fire, so take the warning very seriously. We had thrown the dirty rags in the trash and about 12 am, the bags caught on fire. Luckily, the bags were in our front yard awaiting trash pickup the next morning so the house was safe. Fortunately, my neighbor's dog alerted our neighbor, who called the fire department in the middle of the night to put out the fire. The flames were 6 feet high in no time. So if you use Osmo, do not under any circumstances leave soaked rags lying around and never, ever leave them inside of your house. I just wanted to get the warning out there. I feel blessed that no further damage was done but it would have been catastrophic had we not taken out the trash and if our neighbors didn't have such an alert dog.


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The report said it's a "major Japanese company" that's involved in manufacturing Apple's rumored television set. Echoing previous claims, the report said that the Apple television will feature Siri integration, allowing users to control the TV set with their voice.
Powering the rumored television will be a new processor expected to debut in Apple's third-generation iPad, which the publication said will arrive "midway through 2012." Presumably that processor will be an "A6" custom-built ARM-based CPU.
Apple's anticipated high-end 55-inch model is expected to compete with "smart TVs" from established television makers like Samsung and LG. Those companies' next-generation TV sets are expected to have new features like faster processors, a "combination of OLED display," and "Super HD" from LG, the report said.
Rumors of an Apple television set have picked up steam since the release of the authorized biography of Steve Jobs. In that book, Jobs hinted to biographer Walter Isaacson that Apple was at work on a completely new device that would feature "the simplest user interface you could imagine."
Reports have suggested that Apple's anticipated television set could arrive as early as mid 2012, while others have seen Apple announcing it in late 2012 for an early 2013 sale date.
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