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Do all peach trees need to be bowl-shaped?
I got a 1-year old Floridaprince peach tree last year and it grew a lot since then. More than doubled in size.
I didn't realize until recently that they are supposed to be pruned to a bowl shape. I wasn't thinking about pruning and I allowed a lot of its growth to be in the middle.
Any suggestions? At about 2 feet up, i have 3 branches coming out, so i could prune off everything above that if I had to. Although 2 of the 3 branches come out of the same node. is that bad?
But if I top it at 2 feet, I'll be cutting off about 2/3 of the tree.
I prefer a bowl shape, but peach trees can be trained to a central leader.
If you want the vase shape, its not too late. For a vase, it's fairly standard practice to cut the center of the tree out after a season of growth.
Although I prefer to start my scaffolds at 2' or less, there's also nothing magic about that number. I have several trees w/ scaffolds at 3' and one w/ scaffolds at 4'.
If it were my tree, I'd go ahead and cut the tree at 2' (removing 2/3 of the tree). You don't want two scaffolds coming out at the same node, so I'd prune one of those off as well (keeping the one that has the best crotch angle). That will leave you with only two scaffolds, but I have some peach trees w/ two scaffolds and they fill in just fine.
Of course it may be a bit disheartening to butcher the tree this much, but I place a high value on getting a good scaffold structure started, even if it means pruning off a lot of productive wood.
Once you have your scaffolds selected, you'll get a lot of wood on the scaffolds that wants to grow vertical. You can tie some of the shoots more horizontal and your tree will spread out and fill in the open spaces quicker.
olpea, thanks for the info. I wondered if that was the advice I would get. It's hard to cut off that much wood, but I know it grows fast, so that is nice.
Lots of new branch buds came out on the trunk last year. Would it be wise to let 1 or 2 of those develop in that same area and become new scaffolds, so I'd have 3 or 4 instead of 2?
Yeah I'd develop another scaffold if you have some viable buds. You can develop a bowl shaped tree w/ just two scaffolds, but w/ three the tree fills in faster.
I used to prefer four scaffolds for a nice symmetrical tree, but it really becomes too crowded with four for the way I prune. Three evenly spaced scaffolds seems about right for me.
About a month ago I was at a peach farm where they try to leave five scaffolds one each tree, so there isn't really a magic number, but most of the industry seems to shoot for three.
I think the reasons that peaches are open center/vase pruned (please correct me if im wrong olpea :D ) is due to the growth rate of peaches, and their fruiting habits (on second year growth).
Open center pruning encourages a "low" but wide tree, where sunlight reaches the center of the tree. It also makes harvesting, and thinning easier on a low tree. I think the main reason is due to the vigour. It would be hard to prune a peach (usually quite a hard pruning when young IIR).
Simply, as far as ive read, vase/open center pruning just makes it easier on you, in regard to peaches.
There are many reasons peaches are trained to an open center but the most important issue is keeping new wood generating throughout the tree as once old wood stops generating new buds they are often impossible to induce on peach trees.
You can maintain a central leader peach tree if you make sure that the center doesn't excessively shade lower wood which eventually creates "dead spots" on the interior of lower scaffolds. This is most effectively done by doing summer pruning while trees are still in rapid growth. Highest, most vigorous new shoots are removed to keep sun reaching the new wood (shoots)lower in the tree.
4 scaffolds are sometimes recommended so that if one breaks you still have an efficient shape that can easily be guided to fill the hole created by the break. If the branches are selected for strength (no narrow crotches) and peaches adequately thinned, breaks should be rare and a three scaffold system the most efficient.
I always start my peaches as central leader trees and then usually cut out the center after a few years. I like to use branch spreaders and a center provides a point to push lower branches to a more horizontal position. Spreaders are much quicker than tying.
It is far better to remove problem branches early in a trees development and peaches will respond to heavy pruning more vigorously than most species because even youngest wood devotes a lot of energy to developing flowers and fruit which is an energy sink.
Any branch more than half the diameter of the trunk at point of attachment after its first season is a problem branch and is prone to breaking and also throwing a trees form out of whack. On species slower to fruit than peaches such branches can also delay fruiting. They can also starve out the leader (dominance) of a central leader tree.


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Citrus Fruit Peels In Compost?
I remember reading somewhere that it wasn't good to throw lemons, oranges and other citrus fruits into the compost. Is this still generally regarded as good advice? If so, why?
it's "urban myth" that they're bad for compost or worms - there isn't a problem with citrus in any kind of composting - the limonene ["zest"] needs to be broken down by particular bacteria before they're attacked by the general microherd, and until they're very microbially active, worms won't be interested, so it takes longer than mild sugary stuff, but they decompose fine - I compost , and with quantity, find putting them thru speeds things up
I have found recently that adding grapefruit peel daily cut in small pieces has turned my composting around. I have always had a hard time with it until the citrus. No matter how small I processed vegetable and fruit rinds they just seemed to hang around forever. It just seems everything disappears so quickly now.
I recently took an online composting quiz that said citrus is a compost no-no.
I believe that citrus peels do contain a naturally occurring insecticide, d-lemonine, so perhaps that's the issue.
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I find myself with tubs (several) of citrus peels just like squeeze showed a couple of years ago....if your are still reading this squeeze, could you tell me if one could somehow introduce the bacteria that attacks the limonene? maybe worth a google search....
I do have a mulcher so I will break them down, but we are getting a whole lot of them. We could even have a citrus only compost pile, but not sure if this would be a wise choice. The problem is that as other members observed, everything else in the compost bin looks well composted, but the citrus peels are still uncomposted. I am talking about regular composting, not vermicomposting.
Also, does anyone know if the final pH reading of a citrus rich compost pile (completely composted) is slightly acidic or neutral?
This is from an NC State University paper...
Citrus oil (limonene, linalool) are extracts from citrus peels primarily used as flea dips, but have been combined with soaps as contact poisons against aphids and mites. They evaporate quickly after application and provide no residual control.
Sounds to me that they are only 'hazardous' to pests when mixed with something - like soap.
Here is a link that might be useful: NC State University Botanical Insecticides
Seems the critters doing the processing are the key. Red wigglers leave citrus peel alone while devouring the rest. Has anyone tried citrus peel as top mulch in areas where insects are a problem? If citrus is a successful insect repellent (or is it a terminator?), might it also repel or harm those species of 6 leggers whose services we need? What about 8 leggers? Anyone know if limonene has the same effect on insect populations native to the areas where citrus is also native?
We compost 5-10 lb of coffee grounds and food waste per day at my office, and in winter there are a significant number of citrus peels. They compost just fine, the product is lovely and there is no shortage of insects in and around the bin in warmer weather. We've been doing this for 12 years now. Obviously others in this thread are doing the same. Perhaps whoever is saying not to put them in because they contain flea dip is just sitting at a desk looking at a pharmacological chemistry textbook, and does not actually have a compost pile? :-]


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Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks' Region 3 Citizens' Advisory Committee (CAC) will meet to continue its work on a hunter ethics campaign this Thursday, Mar. 26 at the FWP Regional Office (1400 S. 19th Ave.) from 6 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
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Volunteer Instructors to Be Honored
Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks will honor the service of its Region 3 Hunter and Bowhunter Education volunteer instructors at the annual workshop held this Saturday at the Holiday Inn-Bozeman.
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