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Would Sahara Bermuda work on this yard?
Hi Guys,
I am a home owner (from the Netherlands) on one of the southern islands in the Bahamas. (dont mind my English)
The yard is about 40.000 sqft of hot, Dry, coastline, sandy soil, never frost, full sun.
The lab result showed almost no nutrition in the soil BUT things do grow down there. (see attached link)
I do not want a golf course but a green(er) yard in the future to get rid of the zillion sand spurs and other weeds and fill in the bare spots.
I did some research on Google and think that Bermuda sahara is the best (payable) option for me to seed.
This is a remote island with no stores/experts and we all have to do it Robinson way, try and error.
My plan is to:
Do 1 or 2 fertilization rounds over the next 4 month (2 x 250lbs) to see what it does to the existing 'grass' types. I think one of them is crabgrass and the other is Zoysia.
Also add 70lbs sulfur to lower PH.
After that, weed, mow, and over seed with a slice seeder.
(ps.. i have a little tractor with bucket/backhoe/rake and tiller but do not want to go around as Terminator part 7 for now :) )
The big question is ... will it ever germinate and grow? ( I build in an underground sprinkler, but water is damn rare there and expensive to make with my RO)
Thanks in advance for every tip :)
Here is a link that might be useful: Part of the yard
This post was edited by ItsJorgen on Wed, Nov 27, 13 at 14:58
Bermuda will not grow well in shady areas under trees but will probably grow everywhere else. Getting it to germinate will require continuous moisture for about a week and frequent watering to keep it going after that until it is established. In your sandy soil it might be tough to keep it moist the first week. The seeds do not like drying out at all during that period. If you have a season where it rains almost everyday for a few weeks and temp is in the 70s or 80s then you might want to plant then. Bermuda loves nitrogen fertilizer.
Because of everything rdaystrom said, I think bringing in new bermuda seed will be an uphill battle.
Forget about changing your pH. When you get a pH above 7, that indicates lime. The sand you are dealing with is calcium carbonate from the shells of bazillions of sea shells crushed over the eons by parrot fish in the area. When you apply sulfur, the calcium will dissolve according to how much sulfur you apply. If you dissolve it all, then you will have a hole where your island once was. You need to think in terms of adapting your gardening to the situation including soil, pH, climate, wind, temperatures, etc.
The good news is the grass spurs is the weakest plant out there. Once anything is growing, the sand spurs go away.
Now for the interesting part. You should get a prize for introducing a new weed to GardenWeb. At least over the past 10 years, nobody in this forum has asked about Egyptian grass...until now. Here is your picture of it...
Since you already have that little piece of work, you would be best to just use it. It is a difficult weed to eradicate in good circumstances. If there is any good news, the seed is full of protein. If you let the grass go to seed and then mow it off, you might not ever need to fertilize. Protein is the key ingredient in modern organic fertilizers, so you have a ready source of it. Egyptian grass likes to grow in low spots in dense soils. If you can alter your soil profile to drain rain water away from where the Egyptian grass is, you might thin it out for awhile.
Here is some good news. You have many starts of St Augustine grass. It is the very coarse bladed grass in this picture...
It must be watered regularly to thrive, but it will thrive in your high pH sand. It loves salt, too. I've seen St Augustine growing out into the sea. But your problem is keeping it moist. Many grasses will go dormant when they dry out. St Augustine has no dormancy for dryness. It goes straight to dead. You should find it trivially easy to grow if you have any shade anywhere...and you can make enough water. You might just have to take that during rainy years. As long as you have any alive, you can replenish the entire island.
In that same picture, the fine bladed grass does look like zoysia. Does it get seed heads? Zoysia might work for you. It does go dormant but once it does, it often does not come back at all in the same season.
This stuff below is a problem. It is not crabgrass.
It is dallisgrass or a variety of other paspalums. Then again, it might be the lone survivor on your island. It can be killed, but it is not easy. Fortunately it is easy to dig or pull in your sandy soil.
If you want to save your back, raise your cinderblock barbecue up so you can stand to cook.
Sorry for getting back so late over here, but for some reason I do not get notification.
Anyhow. Thanks for the usefull info Dchall.
The problem is the expensive water. I have an underground sprinkler that is fed with RO water out the well.
The pure well water is just to brackish from time to time so I collect it in a 2000 gall tank by RO.
Thats why I wanted to go for Bermuda. It does not die if things get dry. (or saltspray because of hurricanes). Just dormant.
Are you sure it is St-augustine? I heard people say that it is Zoisya. (the bigger leaves)
I planted my entire yard with it 10 years ago (with spouts) but as you said.. it dies after drought.
Egyptian grass .. why is that weed? Its green? haha. If I would have that in the entire yard I would be more than happy :P
On the pic you post, with the st augustine, you see a very short,dense grass that grows very good on the Island, but is just dont like the fine texture. You can see every mole in the yard.
Its like walking on spikes with bare feet. It kills weed though cause nothing comes through. What type grass is that? You mentioned Zoysia but hmm.. i thought the bigger leave in the picture was Zoysia.
Hahaha.. the bbq is indeed to low, but thats how things go on the Island. Robinson style ;) But will build a new one next year. I even made a drawing for it.
This post was edited by ItsJorgen on Sun, Dec 8, 13 at 10:42
Fairly certain it is St Aug. The blunt tipped blades are a give-away.
Wish I could help you identify the spiky grass in the St Aug picture. It seems to grow low to the ground. St Aug will usually choke out low growing grasses if it gets dense and tall enough. But that won't happen without water.
I have an area in my back yard where the St Aug died a few years ago. Bermuda filled in nicely, but I really want St Aug back there. This year I got the St Aug to refill by use of careful watering and fertilizing. St Aug will smother out bermuda if you let the St Aug grow up tall enough. But the bermuda will come back when the St Aug dies out from water stress.
Here is a picture of my lawn in George West, TX.
My dog is a small chow chow, so you can see the grass is pretty tall. St Aug seems to grow up to 32 inches before it stops growing. This grass was in full shade under a tree with a canopy about 10 feet off the ground. I took that picture because that part of the lawn had not received anything but rainfall for the previous 9 months. It started off mowed to 3 inches in Oct 2011 and grew up to that height 9 months later. GW, TX is at the edge of the desert, and 2012 was a drought year, so it's not that much different from your island. Only real difference was being in full shade. That really helped because the grass I was standing in to take the picture was only 6 inches tall. I had been watering it weekly to try to get it growing, but out in the full sun in that heat it was not making much progress. The point is if you can get your St Aug up tall (at least 9 inches) it will live a lot longer on less and less water. I also had another 1,000 square feet of St Aug come in this year under a different tree. That came in like gangbusters before I knew it. I mow this lawn "down" to 16 inches with a string trimmer to comply with local regulations. Grass higher than 18 inches becomes a nuisance of some kind. In my experience with this tall grass since 2011 is that it is not a haven for vermin, snakes, or mosquitoes as the community seems to think.
My lot is an acre and not really next to anyone, so again, my lot is more like yours than the typical subdivision home on 1/4 acre. Stop mowing your grass and it should do better for you.
Wow .. that looks nice.
Seems like good advice. I really thought that 'mowing=growing' but keeping moist in I should let it grow higher. Hmm... Never thought about that. The thing is I actually never seen this stAUg higher than in my pictures haha. But then again I am not around all year. I will make a list for my care taker what to do or not.
Dchall. One other question about seeding. Does grass reacts just like other things in nature seasons?
I mean.. in cold countries leaves fall off trees in fall, and all comes back in spring. And you seed in spring/summer.
Does this work the same for areas that do not have real difference in seasons? I mean.. does grass stops growing in fall/winter on the islands?? Or does this not matter. Can you seed anytime as long as temps are over 70-80?
Like I told you I live in the Netherlands so I never looked into this before and/or did any study on this before.
Possibility here, if you have a bunch of old planting containers 1 quart or larger, start seeding in as many as you can with the native sand (or use some other container) and you can focus the water on those containers. Let them grow in those until you have containers full of grass. Then transplant them where you have sprinklers. Might actually start spreading as bermuda does. It might be worth a try so you don't have to use so much water over a huge area to start seeds.
yea, that might work too, but to fill 40k of yard would take a while. But I might do that next to the normal seeding.
For sure I am going to concentrate on a small area to seed that I can maintain. An go on from there
Thanks for the tip and happy new year :)
Not to late yet. I did not buy seed yet. I am still working with the St. Augustine, but I know this dies after extreme drought. ANd i am looking for a similar type grass in apperance that can handle drought and heat and enviroment.
Bermuda seemed the good choice but I am not the expert :)

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Alvaro Uribe is not edging towards autocracy, he is already an autocrat. The worst part of his autocracy or the most dangerous part of it has to do with the direct elimination of the control institutions provided by democracies to precisely oversee power excesses by the president. Therefore, it is not a coincidence that after learning of the paramount scandal of eves dropping on the opposition leaders, Supreme Court justices, journalist, etc, by his intelligence apparatus and ordered allegedly by former close adviser Jose Obdulio Gaviria, the cousin of late capo Pablo Escobar, impunity is the order of the day in the country of Alvaro Uribe. If you think this is bizarre, what can any one think about the political reform proposed for him and sent to the house floor recently and passed with no hurdles by the paramilitary congress he controls? This political reform was aimed not only to protect legislators with ties to mass murder paramilitary squads and their seats on the floor but also aimed to protect his possible reelection bid for 2010. After the country learned the extensiveness of the ties between congressmen belonging to Uribe's government coalition and paramilitary groups in 2006 in another scandal known as Parapolitics, any one could have thought that a serious political reform was needed in order to avoid the collapse of congress. It didn't happen. Instead, and interested more in keeping his political control in congress, Uribe has introduced reforms where impunity for these legislators is the order of the day once again, their seats are saved and of course the assurance that the re-election referendum will pass swiftly.
While is true that we Colombians feel safer when we travel within the country, the price that we are paying for that security is too high. Uribe is not a president for peace; he is a president of war for the war against FARC has given him a popularity never enjoyed by any of his predecessors. However, there has always been a misconception with regards to the apparent defeating or crippling of the FARC group. The Colombian conflict in reality can be defined as before and after the demobilization of the main paramilitary organizations and their commanders now in US custody.
Since the mid 90s, when Uribe was a governor of Antioquia, the proliferation of paramilitary squads, licensed to kill by the Convivirs or security cooperatives integrated by former Pablo Escobar assassins and formed by former president Cesar Gaviria, surged to a level of man power equal or greater than of those of FARC. By the time Alvaro Uribe became president the first time in 02; these groups were the main artillery to fight the guerrillas and not the president and his armed forces as he has made believe everyone and as our constitution mandates. The number was said to be nearly 30000 members. These paramilitary groups with the assistance provided by our army got rid of the guerrillas from most of the urban centers in the country and get them running for the hills and the southern jungle of Colombia. By 05 the job was done. The balance of that carnage: more than twenty thousand Colombians killed and buried in mass graves and four millions of peasants displaced. As a reward, the president gave birth to the Justice & Peace Law aimed at ending the conflict or intervention of these irregular fighters. I say reward because the punishment offered for giving up their drug trafficking and killing machines didn't fit the crimes committed by those groups. They were offered eight years incarceration a country farm, confession of their crimes against humanity and economic reparation to the surviving victims and relatives of the murdered. Once the guerrillas fled to the hills and the jungle to escape further confrontation with paramilitaries, Uribe and his armed forces aided by US intelligence caused significant casualties to some of the main guerrilla commanders, including the bombardment of alias Raul Reyes in Ecuadorian soil. His honeymoon ended with paramilitary commanders after they starting confessing about the ties with the lawmakers of his coalition and that prompted their extradition to the US where they are now serving long sentences for drug trafficking.
Continuing with Uribe's status of autocrat and not edging towards that status, Uribe's over extended period as president, has given him the opportunity to appoint seventy per cent of justices at the main three high courts that form the judicial branch, including half of the Supreme Court justices or the last instance of our judicial system. Our high Court Justices step down after eight years of services. Since Uribe wants it all and no part of it, he also owns the public ministry, the office of the Procurator. The procurator in our country is the official in charge of investigating and punishing government officials charge with any crime. A few months ago, Uribe's congress unanimously confirmed Alejandro Ordonez for this office, a right wing Christian who filled his office with crucifixes shortly after taking office. Having had one of the most corrupted presidential periods of our contemporary history with Uribe on the wheel, as Colombian, you want to see corrupted officials in jail but with Ordonez this is utopia. One of the first verdicts handed out by this procurator after swearing in was the dismissal of charges of two high ranking government officials from Uribe's tied inner circle accused of handing bureaucratic posts or basically buying the votes of two lawmakers in 2004 in order to pass legislation allowing constitutional amendments so Uribe could be re-elected for the first time in 2006. The lawmakers were put in jail after found guilty for taking the bribes but Uribe's aids continue serving in its administration as if nothing happened.
Luckily for us, in Colombia there are capable, decent and honest politicians. I hope it is not too late to recover our institutions from the brick of collapse and to save our democracy.
Mr. Uribe's damage control and reelection propaganda gangs want to make believe that paramilitarism is something that Mr. Uribe took care of, but they do not mention the Black Eagles, whose paramilitary terror grows day by day in Colombia. The Black Eagles are one of many new large paramilitary groups operating in Colombia and appeared only under Mr. Uribe's administration. Mr. Uribe sent the former paramilitary chiefs to U.S. to protect himself from their confessions of crimes against humanity, crimes not included in the U.S.process, and to allow them deals and lower penalties for returning partial wrong-obtain properties and for their collaboration on drug investigations.
What else will be new by Mr. Uribe's damage control and reelection propaganda gangs?
Uribe is the best president we have had in many years, how can be autocracy if we as Colombians vote for him again it is our choice and we are really worry that other president comes and ruin all the work that Uribe has done in this country.
I think the case is almost the same as Bloomberg (even thought I think Colombian problems are much more difficult that NY ones) I think Bloomberg will win because of his work in the city, and at the end will be good for NY.
Uribe is the best president we have had in many years, how can be autocracy if we as Colombians vote for him again it is our choice and we are really worry that other president comes and ruin all the work that Uribe has done in this country.
I think the case is almost the same as Bloomberg (even thought I think Colombian problems are much more difficult that NY ones) I think Bloomberg will win because of his work in the city, and at the end will be good for NY.
Some people confuse GDP with standard of living (see my commentary on May 19, 2009 17:20) and others confuse killing FARC's leaders and militants with a weaker FARC.
If leaders were immovable like Mr. Uribe, who has no "replacement" and who leads a cult that carries his last name, "urib-ism, then killing the leader is a great blow to the cult. But, the proof that people who talk about the FARC only repeat what Mr. Uribe told them to say can be demonstrated by showing those naïve assumptions of a weak FARC. They really don't know anything about the FARC. A course at the CIA will help them.
The FARC does not follow individuals, like the third Uribe's election propaganda commentators here, instead the FARC pursues ideals, which are not even Marxist-Leninist. The FARC can be mobilized by the objective to overthrow the Colombian' status-quo and replace it with a Bolivarian formula. No one is saying that the FARC ideals are right or wrong, what I am saying is that the FARC does not follow leaders like lambs. If "Sureshot", founder and leader, dies… too bad, but better "Sureshots" are ready to lead immediately.
That is not the case with Mr. Uribe. His brainwashed followers think that he is irreplaceable and that in 42 million Colombians not even one is even miles near Mr. Uribe's lower skills. That is why he has to be re-elected, if he is not re-elected they probably will die of heart attacks and desperation.
Because uribists think that way and do not know the FARC, then they think that if the FARC's Board of Directors dies the FARC will be finished. It seems that uribists have the ancient mentality of native tribes.
Best militants are hard to apprehend, because of the rings of security and the amount of exits that have in place. Uribe had caught, literately, the weaker, erroneous and bad-luck-day militants. Uribe is superficial, so numbers are the only thing important to him, but with a good cell of four FARC militants is enough to make devastated damage to the state. FARC are experiencing a law of selection process, where the strongest survive, and with those Rambos you can make a very good FARC.
Mr. Uribe does not dialogue, does not negotiate, and that is why he has killed hundreds of children, simply because they use the FARC uniform, it doesn't matter to Mr. Uribe if those poor children have no idea why they are in the FARC. Mr. Uribe has killed hundreds of women simply because they use the FARC uniform, it doesn't matter to Mr. Uribe if those women are in the FARC against their will or are exploited. Mr. Uribe with his accustomed big mean heart has killed thousands of peasants simply because they use the FARC uniform, it doesn't matter to Mr. Uribe if those peasants don't know any better and are in the FARC for food, clothes and shelter, for them that's better that being homeless. As far as Mr. Uribe can show large number of FARC uniformed people killed the better for his re-elections. The false positives is not an exception for Mr. Uribe's ambitions, they are the rule. Mr. Uribe himself stated prizes for killing people with the FARC uniform.
The real FARC are not affected by that, it would be better for them to be 50.000 than to be 15.000, but definite is more productive, cost effective and easier for them to feed, clothe and provide shelter to smaller and better groups of militants at a time of fewer provisions. If you have ten potatoes and have ten good militants that is not a problem, but if you have ten potatoes and thousand mixed militants that is a problem.
The fanatic uribists only look at numbers and they are convinced immediately. But the quality of the FARC is something that uribists never look at it. Because quality is less important to Uribists than quantity, then they see a smaller FARC, according to government "estimates" and immediately assume that the FARC are gone and that Mr. Uribe is a hero above all heroes. The FARC are better now than before thanks to Mr. Uribe. The selection law and development of new actions are qualities we should not overlook.
The funny thing is that Mr. Uribe himself is the one who constantly reminds the country that the FARC are powerful and that more and more money is needed to attack them. Almost eight years of day and night combats against the FARC, without a break, has not allowed Mr. Uribe to cancel the war tax, the Patriotic Plan or to demilitarize the highways. If the resources required to defeat the FARC are larger now than they were when Mr. Uribe took power is because the FARC end up being much more powerful than Mr. Uribe ever anticipated, especially if we take in account that he promised to finish them within a year.
The president's play to keep everyone second-guessing him may look thoughtful but suggests a calculated political move to avoid opposition candidates from picking up popularity. Furthermore, it also hinders independent coalitions that may form further down in the race from strengthening. But the present political uncertainty and numerous scandals involving the government don't seem to make a dent into Uribe's healthy approval ratings.
Read another analysis about Uribe's question of to run or not: http://carlosmaciasweb.com/2009/05/21/to-run-or-not-to-run-uribes-question/ Comments welcomed
"So far his government has done very little to solve Colombian social problems, inequality and justice which are the real roots of the conflict in Colombia. Killing the Farc will not solve inequality in this country but real democracy, where colombians have access to equal opportunities and social justice. Is Uribe looking for this goals?"
Beware the man who criticizes a society based on the notions of inequality and social justice, for they are nothing more than criticism of a free and democratic society. The reason that the left often ltaches on to these, other than the fact that they sound nice, is because the only way to achive them would be to trade them for individual freedom andf liberty. In a free society there will always be inequality. It's unavoidable. That inequality comes from the fact that a free society is free to ascribe value to indivudals in any manner it pleases. Doctors are valued more than ditch diggers, and this is refletced in the pay and presige that society affords them. Movie stars are valued even more. The underproductive or unproductive classes have little value to society as a whole, and society affords them very little. The only way to curb this natually occuring phenomenon is through a coersive mechanism, such as the state. If issues such as social justice or reduced income disparity are importnant to you, understand that they can only be accomplished through the suppression of society's natural inclinations. In other words, a facist.
You need to be stuck in a beehive to actually believe that FARC is stronger today than it was six or seven years ago. FARC's decline has only been mitigated by the Chavez and Correa governments support. In the latter case, that didn't even stop colombian armed forces of killing alias Raul Reyes, FARC's second in command and its highest profile element. Not to mention Operacion Jaque which left FARC without their most prized hostages including Ingrid Betancourt and the three American contractors. All hostages were rescued without a single shot being fired.
But in typical commy fashion black will be white, as always. It sickens me though that people continue to tell others than in the case of FARC, kidnapping of civilians is justified.
Colombia´s only problem is not terrorism and The Farc but Uribe´s only obsessive problem has been the Farc. So far his government has done very little to solve Colombian social problems, inequality and justice which are the real roots of the conflict in Colombia. Killing the Farc will not solve inequality in this country but real democracy, where colombians have access to equal opportunities and social justice. Is Uribe looking for this goals?
Communism defeated itself. There was never a military war against communism that defeats it. It collapsed by its own limitations, excesses and errors. Uribe has nothing to do with that. Colombia has been always a Catholic country between the right and the ultra-right. Mr. Uribe is just a blind warrior with a lot of dada-dada. The Communist Party, when it was important it was very small and had no power. The Communist Party is zero to the left in Colombia. What Mr. Uribe defeat? Nothing. Next, someone is going to say that Mr. Uribe invented penicillin.
If communists converted to Muslim they are not communists anymore.
Mr. Uribe camouflages all his actions and looking at his camouflage and commenting it does not make anyone an automatic member of the FARC, unless that person sees the world in black and white, like dogs, and cannot comprehend that besides thousands of different grays there are also millions of colors that are not black and white.
When people accuse Mr. Uribe of being short minded and responsible for polarizing Colombia between FARC and No-FARC , meaning "if you do not kneel to Mr. Uribe you are from the FARC" they have proof in this forum that they are absolutely right. Someone has to be shorter minded than Mr. Uribe to follow such aberration.
Uribists hurt by Mr. Uribe, when he abruptly closed DMG, turned against him with virulence and venom speech and they promise not to vote for him ever, they became anti-Uribe but never members of the FARC. Actually, hundreds of these uribists were paramilitaries.
Any one, without paranoia, but with a little bit of sanity, realized immediately that my criticism of Mr. Uribe is not only on his dubious morals, absurd ethics and criminal inner circle environment, but mainly his ineptitude, limitation and counterproductive war against the FARC. Mr. Uribe is to blame for giving the FARC a scenario and political power they never had.
Before Mr. Uribe, the FARC were a domestic problem, now it is an international problem that involves Ecuador and Venezuela. That never happens before. Did M. Uribe strategically ever though of blocking the FARC from reaching Colombian borders before pushing them irresponsibly to wherever?
Before Mr. Uribe, there were no "Colombians for Peace" neither POLO nor Liberal opposition, nor ONGs tracking transparency, human rights, etc., now even the UN, OAS and International Court are involved in issuers regarding Mr. Uribe an the FARC. Before Mr. Uribe, the FARC only had their Clandestine Communist Party and besides national and internal litigations they have nothing else. Today, thanks to Mr. Uribe, the FARC had reached national and international levels of litigation never seen before. Did Mr. Uribe ever though that if he only pursues the military option it will leave an open field for costly political defeats to the nation?
My commentary of May 19, 2009 19:50 shows more details about Mr. Uribe's irresponsibility of leaving a FARC much more difficult to defeat than ever before. Giving them the prolonged war is probably the worst he could ever do. The military victories and cutting FARC's militancy to half (?) means nothing compare to the strategic areas where they move, the international exposure they have now and the crimes of the army and the government that are the ones that catapult FARC credibility. It is more the damage that Uribe has done to Colombia than the good.
As I said before, everybody in Colombia knows that there is a well-paid campaing against Uribe financed by European NGOs, the colombian communist party, the leftist PDA party and FARC. There is a "cartel" dedicated to write comments against Uribe in newspapers and magazines around the world. But unfortunatelly for them, eveything he has been accused of has been proven as mere lies, (and believe me, with the Supreme Court against him that only means that there was nothing). Bottom line, 85% of colombians are not stupid, we support him because we know what he has done for our country's democracy,economy, prosperity and security.
Killremoval you have made a great point. Stalin killed many more than Hitler and in the colombian conflict Farc is by far the greatest single generator of massacres, displacement (IDP's), kidnappings, etc, etc. Somehow though the spin-doctors of the truth lead naive (and sometimes good-willing) people to believe that their cause is legitimate. Excuses you can find by the dozens in Colombia: social inequality, poverty, capitalism, the US, etc, etc. Non of which are exclusive to Colombia in the Lat Am context.
I deride over and over the paramilitary violence, but if anything paramilatarism in Colombia has been dismantled to a gtreater extent than the FARC or ELN have under Uribe. To prove the point; all AUC bosses are either dead or behind bars.
In his book "illicit", Moises Naim describes how the world mafias and terrorists are taking over political and economic control of large parts of the world. President Uribe has done nothing different than to fight back crime and all sorts of illicit business.
Venezuela's president has been trying to finance the FARC in order to gain political control over Colombia, not to mention how he is trying to finance opposition leaders (Piedad Cordova) in Colombia. Drug trafficking has expanded in Venezuela during his government.
AS a result of all this people are loosing faith in Democracy all over the continent and that is just because drug trafficers, terrosrists and all sorts of criminal organizations are ever more powerful and gaining momentum.
The only decency left in this godforsaken country is the one of President Uribe. Hopefully we could have a third term of Uribe and show the colombian mafias that there is no place for private armies, drug dealers, kidnappers, etc.
Term limits are artificial constructs not based on any social, economic or scientific reason. I believe that as long as a president is re-elected by the majority of its people in a clean election, it must be because he/she is doing what the people want and that's what democracy is all about.
If communism is not a problem today, it is only because millions of people stood up to it and ultimately defeated it. Uribe is one of them. The Al Quaeda terrorists of today can trace thier roots to the marxist insurgencies of the 20th century. In fact, I suspect that in Al Quaeda, many devoted revolutionary leftists have found the ally that could attack the liberal west in ways that the communists were never able to. This is bourne out by the number of conversions to Islam in Great Britain following the 9/11 attacks.
Your anti-Uribe rants are clearly biased in favor of the FARC, even if you'd like to make it appear otherwise. You don't have to like Uribe to understand that defeating the FARC can only be a good thing, and that in weakening them and their supporters, he has only furthered the cause of democracy in South America. Are you as equally willing to rant about Chavez, who is very much a dictator, or Morales, who is openly moving in that direction? Or, like ususal, are the leftist dictatorships a necessary means of curbing the power of capitalism/facism/imperialism/etc?
It seems that I am among some great-grandparents here. The Stalinist era of communism is over as is over the cold war. Of course, if you don't know any better you may be living in the 20s.
Communism is not the problem today. Is it Communism a problem for U.K. or the U.S.? No! For those who had not woke up to the recent history of the world, the new enemy is terrorism, and behind that label we are talking mainly about fundamentalism of religious origin, we are not talking about trivial posters of Marx, Lenin and now Che Guevara. We are not much concern with national insurrections as we are with international plots. Al Qaeda is an example of the new enemy, not the ETA in Spain or the FARC in Colombia.
It is embarrassing that some people talk with a big mouth of a communism we not even see anymore while the Myanmar Junta disappears their opponents at night, imprison every single leader that does not follow the Junta policies, when they are lucky not to be killed, maintain in house arrest a Nobel laureate whose only crime has been to dear to say "Democracy", keeps the population leaving like rats working for sweatshops producing for China and Indonesian countries, kill and imprison defenseless and peaceful Buddhist monks for praying the stop of the killings… and they keep silent about that, simply because is not communism?
To know is not to advocate for anything, except knowledge. If I know a little bit better what the FARC are of what Uribe is, that makes me a FARC lawyer or an Uribist?
Be grateful that I mention your holes and petrified fears that guide your thoughts, but I rather focus on the issues. I suggest not personalizing the comments; many times people simply repeat what they have heard over and over again. It's better to concentrate in the thoughts not in the people who have them.
What publications carry the news I choose to "believe"?
My comments make sense for people well informed in these issues.
Mr. Uribe maintains a distance position on the events he orders to be developed. As international analyst José María Rodríguez (also El Tiempo columnist) put it: "Uribe does not say ever that there is no chance that he will run for president a third time. That's how you know that Uribe is orchestrating his third election out of the public view. Uribe is a man of firm decisions and he has not made ever the firm decision not to run for president a third time. In the meantime you see his ministers in continuous advocating of Uribe's re-election and you see his coalition of parties' congressmen doing everything possible, at any cost, to make his re-election into law. Uribe is fully pleased and supportive of all this orchestration he put in place. It's exactly the same signature style as he orchestrated the para-military actions from his Antioquia's governorship. The "Convivir" role always will be his model. "
Mr. Uribe's policies had cost thousand of lives, because that is the balance of his war. Hundreds of innocent young people, "false positives", killed for the price to kill imposed by Mr. Uribe in the army is the most recent example of how many more lives has caused the Commander in Chief of the Colombian Army: Mr. Álvaro Uribe Velez.
It would be naïve not to know it.
Here's the bottom line. Communism killed 100 million people in the 20th century. Not even facism was able to come close to that number. Nothing else was. It was a system that was based on absolute control of every aspect of society. It's supporters justified in a myriad of ways: People weren't smart enough to rule themselves, it would create a better world, it was necessary to offset the evils of global capitalism, whaetver. At the end of the day it was a system that denied society virtually any sort of indidividual right. It created a priviledge class of nomenklatura that were more corrupt and more self-serving than Uribe ever could have been. A testament to this is the question of whether or not he should be re-elected. I can promise you that there would be no such question under a FARC dominated government. If you did the "priviledge" of voting, you'd be instructed ahead of time who to vote for. You can also see that in Venezuela right now.
I'll never understand it. If Beehives were defending the polciies of Nazi Germany as as vigorously as he defends those of the FARC, or perhaps more correctly criticized allied attempts to curtail facist operations, he'd be derided endlessly, and rightly so. Defense of communism, however, is somehow more palatable. Probably the biggest injustice of the 20th century was that communism as a movement was never forces to answer for the crimes committed in it's name. I could walk down the streey with a Che Guevara T-shirt on and no one would give me a second look. If that same shirt bore a swastika or picture of Hitler, the result would be far different.
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Brushwood Nursery has now updated their website with their 2012 catalog. They have a couple of newer clematis varieties that look interesting.
Here is the link to their recent e-mail.
Here is a link that might be useful: recent e-mail about 2012 catalog
Brushwood's plants are grown in a quart sized nursery pot, which has always been very well filled with roots in my experience. They are a bit smaller than those shipped in gallon sized pots by some other venders like Joy Creek or Silver Star Vinery, but they are NOT just shipping barely rooted cuttings. In my experience, Brushwood's plants have always grown vigorously. I have ordered many clematis and a couple of honeysuckle from Brushwood, and I have never had one damaged in the shipping process. Also their shipping costs are, I believe, the least expensive out there.
Here is a link that might be useful: Brushwoods photos of their plants
I have always had success by planting them directly in the ground. The only time I have potted them up is when a new bed was not ready for planting, and I knew it wouldn't be finished for a few weeks. I also planted directly in the ground when I lived in colder zones - 8a and 6b. I think many people do pot up the very small liner sized clematis you can buy, but Brushwood's clematis are much larger than a liner size and are close in size to some of the gallon sized plants I have purchased.
Perhaps someone else from a colder zone closer to you will give their opinion as well - there might be others who do prefer to pot them up.
Since no one else has responded to your original question so far, I thought I'd post a link to an older similar thread. If you type "Brushwood" in the Garden Web search box, you will find even more threads with feedback.
Here is a link that might be useful: feedback on Brushwood Nursery
Thank you for the link and responses. I'm dreaming of spring and picking out clems certainly helps. I'm going to place an order with Brushwood. There is a local nursery near me that sells Donahues clematis but they are between 35-75 each. Bought quite a few but I'm thinking I'll try someplace else. Thanks again :)
I was pleased with the two clematis that I ordered last year from Brushwood. Though some people plant them right away I prefer to pot them up to get a larger root system and to allow more time to decided where to plant them.
Mostly I buy the one gallon size clematis unless I can't find the variety in that size. It helps that I live close to Donahue's where I can buy clematis in several different sizes.
I've ordered something like 20 plants from Brushwood and have started my list for this year. I plant them directly in the garden and haven't lost any; great quality, healthy plants, well packed. I have planted them both spring and fall, and they have taken off quickly in both seasons, though not too much happens above ground with fall planting. I find that many of them want to bloom at least a bit the first year, and by the second year they really start to put on size and bloom. I actually didn't see much size difference this past year between Brushwood's and Silver Star's plants and how large they ended the season.
Thanks for the info. I went ahead and ordered 12 clematis-was so hard to pick only 6 and once you get the shipping bump at number 7 might as well buy 12 ;) . I can't wait for spring. SO excited. Now to finish finding spots to plant these babies. Thank goodness my yard is basically a large blank slate right now. Thanks again for the help. Laura


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Consumers need to be aware that con artists are staging automobile accidents, which are being created in order to defraud auto insurance companies.
Staged accident claims increased 46 percent from 2007 through 2009, according to the National Insurance Crime Bureau.
The top five states that generated the most staged accident claims are Florida, New York, California, Texas, and Illinois.
"As consumers take the road for holiday travel, it is important to practice defensive driving and to educate themselves about staged accidents," said Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto. "Drivers may already be distracted with inclement weather, busy streets, and holiday stress but it is equally important to be aware of other drivers who purposefully plan a collision. Staged automobile accidents are one of the fastest-growing types of fraud in the insurance industry."
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We recently blogged about dropping the script when it comes to customer service phone support. But sometimes dropping the script can result in uncomfortable situations – especially when a customer is trying to cancel your service or leave your company. They may even be vacillating on whether your product or service is right for them.
Providing an exceptional customer experience doesn't just mean answering questions or closing tickets - to be truly customer-centric you need to look at every customer interaction and constantly look for ways to improve.
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In simple terms I find your front cover incredibly insulting and as long term subscriber to the Economist you have left me no option but to cancel my subscription and pass on the funds to the campaign which will lead our country to independence; the normal state of affairs for almost every other ancient nation in Europe.
Such as Greece? The Economist is not Private Eye for goodness sake.
Sorry if you were being ironic but I suspect not.
Get a grip!
Longterm subscriber? Are you sure? With a random name like that and one comment in your history?
My thoughts exactly.
and.. New-Zealand is a small country with a population smaller than Scotland. It's doing fine. Their dollar is getting stronger against the US. The article is just a throwback, the last cries of a ruined empire. Imperialism at its worst. Even trying to hold onto the Falklands, a policy that must surely fail in the long term. Then we have the little problem of UK debt to GDP - 900% to be exact. the worst in the western world. Mostly casued by that giant Ponzi scheme called the city of London.
Explains why Britain is still lording it over smaller middle-east nations in an attempt to steal what they can get their grubby hands on.
O god, the trolls are in from the pub!
I am utterly appalled by the Economist's map lampooning Scotland as a basket case. One reader's comment hit it on the head: it is something one would expect from nazi Germany.
Shocking, shocking, shocking journalism.
Maybe the Economist can inform us what other country on the planet has been reviewed in such a scornful and hate-filled way?
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Get real, it's not hate filled at all, the Economist is merely pointing out a highly likely possibility if penury if Scotland becomes independent.
Haven't seen the other comment but comparing The Economist to nazi Germany is one of the more preposterous sincere comments I've read.
It is a prejudiced series of articles in the extreme. Just like your comments really.
"Maybe the Economist can inform us what other country on the planet has been reviewed in such a scornful and hate-filled way?"
Not sure where the hate is but I can tell you that a similar cover was produced in respect of the USA a while back after the debt crisis blew up. Being a grown up nation, the Americans didn't get quite so chippy about it though.
Drawing a map of a country and calling it "Skintland" and then changing the names of areas and towns in that country to equally derogatory names is prejudiced journalism. Doing such a thing against a nation of people is sad and is very close to the initial writings of journalists in nazi Germany.
Sorry if this is a repeated post.
Forgive me if your post was ironic but I suspect not.
SNP supporters regularly point to the UK economy as a basket case, as opposed to the strength of the Scottish economy, while at the same time wishing to retain the link to sterling now the euro has fallen out of favour.
And, the references to "Westminster and Bullingdon Club" by Salmond et al are not presumably intended to conjure images of effete, privileged English politicians oppressing the Scots? Or do insults or perceived insults operate one way only?
Time for a mature, informed debate and less rhetoric.
"Maybe the Economist can inform us what other country on the planet has been reviewed in such a scornful and hate-filled way?"
To show that Scotland is not as special in the eyes of the Economist as some seem to think, this link will take you through to the front cover on the USA I mentioned earlier:
Note the more mature and reasoned comments that follow it.
I completely agree that we should have a mature informed debate on this issue. What annoys me is that the Economist failed to give us that. Their cover was extremely insulting and the accompanying articles very much one sided.
I am personally not aware of Scottish nationalists referring to the UK economy as a basket case; I'm much more aware of British unionists referring to the Scottish economy as a basket case and English politicians referring to the Scots as subsidy junkies. I have lost all respect for the Economist because that is what they implied.
I think its true to say that the Scottish economy can make improvements and will do so with self-determination, but at present Scotland is a net contributer to the UK treasury.
Yes, for as long as you have journalists at the Economist and elswhere in London and the English media doing down Scotland, you will have Scots, and not only nationalists, making references to "Westminster and the Bullingdon Club"and other terms besides.It's a worsening situation, I think.
I personally believe that the Scottish economy is in a better state than the UK's as a whole and I think even the Economist alluded to that. However, I don't support Independence for fiscal reasons.
Perhaps you miss a point. There is only 5.2 million Scots and probably 50 million English. Yes, occasionally the Scots react in a foreceful manner to something that is said in a derogatory fashion about us. It's a natural reaction for all human beings.
However, we hear these derogatory comments coming from England on a daily basis, literally. Sometimes it just goes beyong the pale and that is what the Economist did.
Of course, insults come from both sides. That should go without saying. However, any notion that 5 million Scots fire more insults at the English than 50 million English fire at the Scots is really impossible at present. The fact that our media is controlled from London makes it not Scottish and makes it inclined to broadcast widespread assumptions about Scotland and the Scots.
I honestly believe that the English as a nation are endemically prejudiced against the Scots. And I do not come from a nationalist family. Experience has taught me that that is the case with simply the latest one being the Economist pieces.
I genuinely think the publication owe the people of Scotland an apology for the manner in which they presented the situation.
I saw it today and I was shocked by it.
James, I can empathize if you were shocked and it would never be my intention to insult a Scots person let alone a nation.
That said, I've been following posts in the Scotsman in particular where the "basket case" comments were made almost in the same breath as stating Scotland would use the Bank of England as lender of last resort. And let us not forget that the SNP movement has largely been predicated on "our oil" and the "fact" that it has subsidized the UK or more accurately England.
Little wonder therefore if this is challenged but I think the debate started in Scotland.
If offence is a natural reaction for all human beings then surely the size of the target should not matter? You can't be saying that 50m English should accept what 5m Scots won't in terms of abuse? Unfortunately, I think you mirror what many think- the English are big enough to take it.
You also over-estimate the capacity of the English to be prejudiced- most are apathetic without the same sense of identity that characterizes the Scots, Welsh, and N. Irish.
As half-Scots half-English. Why do you think it has no English parliament for English issues like Scotland, Wales & N.Ireland have?
It's up to the Economist to apologize or not but if it stimulates proper debate on such a critical issue it may be no bad thing.
Finally, thank you for your measured tone.
Nothing personal,
Yes. The Scotsman can have very heated debates, I haven't been involved in it. I remember last year a woman from the Channel Islands extremely opposing fiscal autonomy for Scotland despite the Channel Islands having such a thing themselves.
I also made a good friend with an English Democrat.
I dont understand people that complain that Scotland is subsidised while simultaneously opposing fiscal autonomy for Scotland!
If the argument is that Scotland pays it's way in the UK and that the UK is better off together for ABC then that is a more civilised and respectful arrangement.
I must say though, that I support Scottish Independence in whatever form and find the sentiment coming from England unacceptable.
I have English neices and nephews. I hardly understand a word they say right enough, but I am not in any way demeaning of any nationality. I also have a couple of Australian neices and nephews.
I should say that the Bank of England was founded by a Scotsman (the Bank of Scotland was founded by an Englishman) but despite it's name it does not solely belong to the people of England. It is the UK central bank. The fact that it's name was never changed is immaterial, and quite fortunate from a Scottish nationalist point of view.
Sterling therefore belongs as much to the people of Scotland as it does to the people of England, just as other things do.
I should also say that we don't have an SNP movement.
We have a Scottish movement which comprises several political parties and groups and individuals and that the SNP is simply at the forefront of it.
As said elswhere, Scotland is a major player in exports. It should actually go without saying.
Of course the size of the *target" is pertinent. When you have people of such a large national majority degrading and demeaning a much smaller national minority then you have unacceptable behaviour.
Finally, I can only say that I very much want the people of England to have their own parliament. ithink you very much deserve it.
Exactly right that Salmond and the SNP leadership are fanatics and fantasists. An independent Scotland would not automatically be able to join the EU, it would have to apply and then negotiate terms of accession. One thing is certain is that it would have to agree to join the Euro and have it's financial policies effectively governed by Brussels.
As to the oil in the North Sea - it's estimated that it will run out in about 50yrs. Bit worrying that. Have to sell a lot more whisky.
Whisky......One of the fastest growing products in the world today....not a bad bet really
North Sea Oil - 50 years you say? Plenty of time to build up an Oil Reserve Fund - a bit like Norway. I mean, it would be daft not to, wouldn't it? It would be like having 40 years of oil revenues and ending up with sod all, you know - really stupid!
Thanks for your concern regarding our whisky - you're not Willie "Hague" in disguise are you? We decided not to "Black Bottle" him but told him to do a "Johnnie Walker" instead.
Sales of whisky have went through the roof in recent years. Idiots can laugh. Whisky alone accounts for 25% of all food and drink products exported from the UK.
Scottish exports are rocking. 20 per cent of all salmon eaten in the the USA comes from Scotland.
Not to mention our beef being eaten in the finest restaurants in the world.
Agricultural produce, aquacultural produce, textiles, pharmecueticals, engineering products, life sciences. It goes on and on. Scotland exports more per head of population than the USA or Japan.
We export electricity to England to help keep their lights on and we are still running at under-capacity in our power stations.
And there also happens to be oil and gas.
You couldn't make it up.
Most E.U legal opinion states that Scotland and England are already members and would not have to reapply ro join the E.U. One thing that is certain is that if Scotland has to re-apply as a new state then so does rUK/england as both would be equal status. And if Scotland is a new state we then have zero resposibilty for UK debt, so we are debt free whilst as Europes largest oil producer we are fast track into the E.U.
Niether joining the Euro or even Shengen are preconditions for the E.U memembership.
No country can be forced into the euro. The Czech Republic joined the EU in 2004, after the euro had been adopted as the common currency of the original 11 members of the Eurozone. The Czechs won't be bounced into the euro, and have consistently refused to make moves to adopt it.
In January 2012, Czech Prime Minister Petr Nečas stated that the country did not require a special opt-out in order to retain the koruna as its currency. Mr Nečas said: "No one can force us into joining the euro ... We have a de facto opt-out."
This approach has also been adopted by the government of Sweden which has likewise declined to join the Eurozone but has no negotiated opt-out. Sweden says nej to the euro.
Some people should check facts instead of the Daily Mail before they rant
The article is historically innacurate. Scotland was not bankrupt after the Panama venture but rather the investors were. Trouble is they had great political influence and were "bought" by English gold.
after the Union there were riots in Edinburgh.
Before there was civil war!
There were riots in towns all over Scotland.
The relevant cover photo on the web is illegible for the smaller place-names.
Scotland should declare a tax free economy for new business on gaining independence.....that should get plenty of inward investment including a few English pounds id guess.....Wonder what the Economist banner would be then?? Look to the future forget about the past, itll always be with us, it will never pass. But surely Scots would be better off choosing their own ways to screw things up!! Or does Westminister have all the answers...
A tax free economy? Good luck with getting that past France and Germany if Scotland wants to be a member of the EU.
Why join that either?? Out of the frying pan and into the fire?? Not sure the benefits (or otherwise) of Euro Union are better than UK one?
Tax-free economy for new business?
We saw that in the S African homelands; all those companies are gone now.
There's no such thing as a free lunch; somebody pays
When it comes to Democracy, Britannia Waives the Rules
[as do its jounrnalists]]
"Scots found it tough in the 18th century to be a small nation in a globalising world"
Yes the Darian 'mis'adventure was both ill-fated and actively sabotaged by English adventurers in collusion with the English parly - but hey no hard feelings. We in Scotland are not so historically bound as the Economist authors evidently are. I can't imagine any other serious economic analysis of a 21st century nation being hamstrung by such historical irrelevance particularly when its only a partial account to begin with which has as little resonance to the Scottish independence debate as say the experience of the Mayflower settlers of Plymouth had to last year's AV referendum !
Topped and tailed by history as this article is it reflects poorly but not surprisingly a lot of the half-baked notions about the Scottish economy that have been swirling about in the London-centric maelstrom for decades. At least give us the respect of an article of journalistic and economic worth as befits a serious, reputable journal - It'll cost you right enough - but what price serious, balanced, independent journalism ?
Excellent comment..I loved the "with which has as little resonance to the Scottish independence debate as say the experience of the Mayflower settlers of Plymouth had to last year's AV referendum" M8
Saor Alba Gu Brath
What is Gaelic for "Act of Union is 300 years old. Get over it!" . Seriously though, if Scotland leave this will make the unionists in Belfast look a bit silly innit? Plus so many flags with union jacks on them ruined!
Ta an aontas tri cead blian d'aois........Fag E!!! does that satisfy your Gaelic curiosity??
To quote this magazine's favorite movie. "They may take our lives, but they will never take our freedom!"
God, when will people forget that (truly terrible) movie?
I am disappointed in the Economist for producing this illustration for their front cover. I'm very disappointed indeed. I'ts like something the Nazis used to produce in the 1930's. Shame on you. Shame, shame shame!
Never heard of Godwin's law, I take it?
Yeah saw it on the telly. QI - what a show!
Yes, I have actually. It's interesting, isn't it? And isn't it amazing how it works? It's one of the best known Memes around. A bit like the Knights Templar who have, ''something to do with everything''. (see Foucault's Pendulum by good old Umberto Eco). Incidentally, the Scottish Knights Templar are internationalists who believe in independence for Scotland. They're Christians, and they naturally give to charity. There isn't much of Christian charity coming out of London these days is there? For either Scotland OR northern England. But back on thread,that front cover of the Economist was ridiculous and should never have been published.
Dont really understand why there is an argument at all. People vote to determine their own future. If independence wins the vote or not, it is what the people have decided. Right? democracy ? Isn't that why we are all here? The country will succeed or fail. The point is that it was their decision and we should celebrate that they have the right to do so what ever the outcome is.
"Scottish independence would come at a high price" does this mean that people should not consider it until the price is lower?
500 pounds sterling, apparently. Or did you not read the article?
No.... you didn't read (or understand) his comment!
Actually, no I did not, that's the whole point. With that kind of title what else could possibly be in the article that would be of interest. Writer decided that there is a price, and that it was a high price, ... and you bought it.
Look, I was just cracking wise since "what price independence" really softballs it in there. I honestly don't care one way or another what Scotland decides to do. Over here, most people refer to the UK as 'England' anyway, so you can go do your 'Venezeula on the Firths' thing and we'll continue ignoring you.
One really has to laugh at the sneering condescension of the English mercantile classes when commenting on Scotland's future as an independent, prosperous and enlightened nation-state. "It'll cost you"? You couldn't make it up. Europe's biggest oil producer, the broadest energy portfolio of any country anywhere on this continent, leaving aside every other export and manufacturing asset at our disposal.. You are joking, aren't you? YOU, the washed-up remains of a malodorous, racist and self-congratulatory rump of a former empire, have the audacity to look down on US, SCOTLAND, and make your risible Brit pseudo-cartography, when it is YOUR country which will manifestly pay the costs of no longer being able to bleed our country's resources into your tawdry neo-con maw. Let's see you play hardball, Britannia, when it comes to relocating your pathetic nuclear arsenal away from our west coast. Begging bowl, anyone? Maybe you can negotiate with Argentina for deep water facilities in the River Plate when they retake the Malvinas.. GIFRUY
dont hold back
Firstly you are lying. Norway is Europe's largest oil producer. The UK as a whole is only the 19th largest oil producer in the world for a start so where you get your facts and figures from are beyond me. Secondly, you support Argentina in taking over a self governing society such as the FALKLANDS. So you are all for invading a sovereign territory internationally recognized in the UN as being part of the UK? A territory that chooses to be part of the UK? Bigoted, nationalist tripe. Go live in the past where you clearly belong
Yeah, uh, wow.
I have to guess at this because I'm just an American and therefore wouldn't understand your manly Celtic rage, but I have to imagine the sneering English mercantile classes look down on the Scots because of people like you, sir.
Ha Ha
It takes only 12,000 English tax payers to pay more in income taxes than the whole 5.2 million population of scotland combined ....glad to help!
Great rant but in the end just hot air. Scotland is not the largest European oil producer and the oil is going to run out by about 2050 so what will Scotland live on then?
Yes there is more oil in the same basin but sadly its all Norwegian.
Scotland is the European Union's largest oil-producing country. Norway while admittedly having larger capacity currently is not a member of the European Union, which Scotland will continue to be in as one of two successor states to the UK post-independence. As far as Argentina ending British colonial occupation of its continental shelf territories of the Malvinas is concerned, I will not take any lessons in "living in the past" from a bigoted British imperialist. Enjoy the sunset over your tripe-smelling empire. GIFRUY
Well, lookey here, if it ain't the patronising Yankee voice of reason.. I do apologise, Your Holier-than-thouness, for my uppity Celtic reticence at being talked down to.. GIFRUY
Oh dear.
A very slight problem. The River Plate flows down a delta which does not exceed 2 metres at the best. A nuclear submarine would hardly get its bottom wet!
I could not agree more.
Yes, exactly, Mr Greenwich Meridian, hence the piss-take.. You could try the Solent or Severn for your bigboy detterent.. they do so love a submariner in Southampton.. almost as much as a permanent seat on the UN security council..
deterrent even..
Ok...but DON'T support The Economist and it's blatent RACISM...it should NOT be tolerated!
Ok...but DON'T support The Economist and it's blatent RACISM...it should NOT be tolerated!
As with any asymmetrical relationship, England matters far more to the Scots than Scotland does to the English. The English will always be Scotland's only neighbours; geography pays little heed to romantic nationalist ideology. If Scotland chooses to turn it's back on England, it will be cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. The two nations have far more that unites them than divides them; 300 years of shared history, for starters. It would be a pity if narrow, xenophobic bigotry on the part of some Scots were to wreck an otherwise mutually beneficial partnership.
an otherwise mutually beneficial partnership, be reasonable
it isnt mutually beneficial, london takes all and gives nothing. it is because it isnt mutually beneficial, this is why we are scrapping it
Your bias shines like a beacon of Westminster self serving politics.
it's its not it's.
It would be a unsurprising if narrow, xenophobic bigotry on the part of some English were to ensure Scottish independence.
Tourism mostly from England...If England was to become anti scottish in nature the tourist industry in Scotland would implode. Finance industry can move easily so to build a future on finance alone is risky. Globalisation means here today gone tommorow.
if england becomes anti scottish? you mean it isnt already?. or do we have to wait in line behind, france, germany, iceland or any other "johnny foreigner" country?
Ah more anti-English misrepresentation. I see you've conveniently forgotten that England has one of the most racially diverse populations on the planet. Still keep trolling son.
must be something they put in the water then eh kev
Your comments "If England was to become anti scottish in nature the tourist industry in Scotland would implode" is nonsense, Wgt would English people act like petulent chuldren stamping their feet, you dont seem to have a high opinion of English people's level of maturity.
Also whilst important to the Scots tourist industry English visitors not the the be all and end all of Scottish tourism and certainly would not implode if they all decided to go to Scarbough instead.
Visit Scotland promotes tourism to Scotland all over the world with the the number of tourists coming from North America rising by 15 per cent in 2010 and the numbers of overseas tourists coming set to rocket over the next year in part due to the Hollywood Pixar/Disney blockbuster animated film, Brave..
" VisitScotland, Scotland's tourism organisation, and The Walt Disney Company Europe, Middle East & Africa today announced a unique global marketing campaign to promote Scottish tourism around the much-anticipated Disney•Pixar film "Brave", which is set in the Scottish Highlands and features some of Scotland's biggest stars" [I bet you thought that it was some london based organisation the dealt with the Scots tourist industry and we are beholding to England]
Scottish tourism has a world wide recognised brand that most countries and ad-men would die for.
As for your " Finance industry can move easily " Well we may be seeing that now when Barcley's wealth annonced its plans to invest and move its HQ to Scotland and the unfortunate job losses of English bank workers, Edinburgh is one of the largest financial centres in the world, ranked within the top 20 at least.
With the level of Jounalism shown in the above article its understanable whay Economist readers are so badly informed
Yes they do, but they're not too happy about it!
Which buffoon wrote this tosh......!The map of Scotland along with this article Just highlights the poor journalism coming out of London these days.Is the economist Just a tabloid in disguse?
A man with clearly more intelligence than you, the economist quite rightly states that it targets "thinking people", not "buffoons" who only heard of its existence on facebook or newsnut Scotland 15 minuets ago.
Care to elaborate with a coherent argument why the argument is wrong, or just blaze angrily away about the Journalist and a map of Scotland which said naughty things about Scotland :(
a map of Scotland which said naughty things about Scotland :(
naughty to you, evidently much more serious to the hoards of scots choking up this comics blog site?
Had subscription until today,and my comment clearly hit a nerve,haha are you the buffoon...?
i think you right there Ddee,
i think this might be the author of this piece of ordure
it targets thinking people ie eton tories what?? perhaps this is why the scots are rubbishing your article..........buffoon
I've been a print and online subscriber to The Economist for a few years, and have to agree with BonnyDdee that this week's cover mock-up is more befitting of a tabloid. The Economist may target 'thinking people', but this is imbecilic and an insult to any readership.
Lets see. Oil revenue is going to drop as output declines/ Not so. As oil gets scarcer the price goes up. Oil economists several years ago predicted oil would reach $125 a barrel by 2012 and $250 a barrel by 2014. Also when oil was discovered initally, the energy in one barrel of oil produced 100 barrels to the consumer. Today the average is the energy in one barrel produces on average over all current oil fields 30 barrels of oil delivered to the consumer. When we get to the tar sands alone the energy in one barrel of oil is used to produce 5 barrels of oil. This means that the price of oil is going to get higher and higher as the old oil fields are depleted and new fields brought on. Unlike the big pools of oil like the North Sea which last 50 to 100 years fracked oil facilities last about 2 years. The Economist knows this. So we have another scare story in what was a good discussion story. Pity Did Dave (our friend) ask the Economist to do this?
Also on the global economy, transportation costs will kill it. Countries will revert to making their own goods despite higher labour costs. The Scots can use a currency based on a basket of world currencies like the Chinese do and manipulate the value of the Scottish pound to increase exports like the Chinese do today. If oil goes to $250 a barrel, transportation of a loaded container from China to the USA goes from about $3,000 to $11,000 vs importing a container from Mexico at $3,000 at oil at $250.
The world is about to change dramatically. To "free and Scottish". How is England going to pay for food imports when oil rises as it will? They can pay more so your food will head south. Remember the 1840 Irish famine. Even though England was OK. British troops enforced contracts at the point of a gun barrel and the Irish starved to death. The same will happen to you unless you can have laws which prohibit the export of food from Scotland. You won't get that from Westminster if you are in the UK
Only Thorium reactors will replace oil. By the way right now the energy in a barrel of oil is able to produce 50 barrels of oil in applying the same calculation to the production of coal. This is better that the current oil energy scenario. Is this why the Chinese and Japan import massive coal imports? In my town in Canada a coal train leaves for Japan every 2 days. The train is 2 miles long and we had to build bridges so that we did not have to wait 40 minutes on the road to let it pass.
Why is Dave running scared? By including Devo Max as he originally proposed he would kill independence dead. A promise to make concessions ( undefined) after the independence vote won't cut it . The Scots remember a similar concession in the 1970s which Westminster conveniently forgot to implement. Nope Too little too late.
You fail to understand the politics of oil it seems. Its not a question of whether it is a declining resource; of course it is. The price of oil is governed by output which is controlled by OPEC. Although it is a declining resource in the UK, resources available elsewhere will still dictate the price. Therefore, oil could decline in the UK but the price will still be set by OPEC depending on worldwide output. The argument that a decline will force a higher price and thus provide more tax revenue even with a commodity in decline is simplistic. The world of oil does not revolve around Scotland. The issue is that any recoverable reserves may not be economically viable because of their value v cost to explore. The UK does not even feature in the top ten oil producing countries in the world unlike Norway for example. Their global impact in this sense is negligible and so retrospectively Scotland will have little to no control over oil tax revenue because the oil price is governed elsewhere which ultimately encourages investment or otherwise.
what complete havers freeandscottish
stick to baby oil and day trading
All true, no disputing that OPEC sets the price of oil,
Scotland would, however, get to keep a larger percentage of the revenues generated by the Oil industry, (and believe me, 35 years working on and offshore in the oil industry DO make me au fait with the economice of the oil industry) and even if the last drop was squeezed out of the north Sea in 20 years the money raised would be OUR money, generated in OUR country, and not sent south to have a small amount of it handed back to us as pocket money
You can look it up on the web if you like. But i suspect fact is not something you listen to
Scotland would still need tax revenue way over and above any oil revenue generated. A mute point for the fanatical nationalist who continues to bury his head in the sand. Won't be long before Scotland complains about having to pay through the nose for a pint of beer. The beauty of the nationalist argument however is its simplicity which is ultimately why independence will fail miserably
Freeandscottish... still trolling? I would have thought you would have given up by this time! Is someone paying you to stay on line and dish out this ridiculous diatribe... Either that or you are really pissed with the idea that the Scottish might just get away from Westminster... Sticks in your craw does it?
You do know what a craw is?
This article is reminiscent of the comments made by English politicians about colonies destined for independence over the centuries. So little has changed. This is an end of empire story. All it does is harden attitudes and makes the final outcome of negotiations even less congenial to English interests.
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