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My Catalpa and hostas under it
Here is a picture of my 6 year old catalpa tree and the hostas I have planted under it. I have 3 catalpas planted in the back yard but they aren't old enough to bloom yet. I do hope the long beans that develope on them will be easy to dispose of.
The low limb will be trimed as the tree gets bigger.Since the picture was taken I have taken out the two hosta infront of the statue and added Edd Tide,left, and Guardian Angel, right, on either side of the tree.
Ebb Tide and GAngel should look fabulous there! My only question is, and depth on photos can be deceiving...how wide is that circular strip of bed at that point? Ebb Tide is a medium I think, but GA is a large. You may have to widen the strip a bit in the future to accomodate growth. I'm sure that idea just breaks your heart ;o)
Your buddy,
My little 15 footer (just a guess) had only a smidgen of flowers last summer, but I did get a couple photos of them. Thinking of adding some hosta under it and maybe a bench, possibly just a cute little mini garden altogether. Here's a pic of a single bloom
Neighbor has a large one in their yard that was very pretty when it was in full bloom, mine was probably a baby from that tree.
I know but when you have a husband who loves his grass it is hard to remove as much sod as I would like to. I edge all my beds every year so don't worry the bed will be wider! LOL He doesn't really notice how much larger my beds have become. It's just the initial loss of grass that he notices.
Both EB and GA are hostas I picked up in MN. when we visited with Teresa for her club garden walk in late June.
The single flower is beautiful. I can hardly wait for my first bloosom.
I had never even heard of a Catalpa before. That blossom is beautiful!
Clever with edging the beds each year - I'll have to try that with my crab tree and daylily beds! I'd love to do that with my bed in front also but for the doggone plastic edging! He'd notice if I started messing with that!
I can't complain too much, he's letting me connect all the beds in the back. Since the development company behind us put the cedar fence back there, the island beds do not look right.
Oh Phil!!! I didn't need to hear about big green worms. Maybe they won't find my trees in IL.
Dot, thanks for the kind words about the look and for mentioning the statue. I have quite a few of them in my long hosta bed. Did you notice the round stand it is sitting on? I got them from the local vault company. They are rejected vaults for ashes to use in a cementery! I have round and square ones and they were free! I've gone back many times to look for more and they haven't had any.
I did find about a dozen round cement lids which work great under a pot to keep it up off the ground. I press the metal U shaped handle into the ground and on goes the pot.
Char, When you connect your various hosta beds will you add more hosta? Now that was a dumb question! Of course you will.
I still have to get more hostas from behind the property line (like my nice Spilt Milk). Then I'll re-assess. Much as I want to, I can't buy any more hosta until I know how much room I have to work with. I'll probably have a driveway sale in late May of the hostas that have been disappointments. Maybe that will make some room for new ones.
Resend me your address and the date of your future sale. Send them in an e-mail closer to the time you are going to do it! Would you be willing to trade if I have anything you might want? This is something we can write to each other as the time draws nearer.
Your rejects will be someone elses treasures.
It looks beautiful. The township cut down my old catalpa a few years ago because it was in the right-of-way. Luckily I had some pods, but I'd never tried to start them from seed. I am happy to say that I have 2 nice new catalpas in the back yard over 6 feet tall already. And I still have a bunch of seeds (someplace) :-) I always thought the flowers were pretty, the pods weren't a big deal, and thankfully I never saw any worms!
Great tree. One of the reasons a lot people grow it over here is the fact that it provides plenty of shade but only in summer : it is in fact very late to put it's leaves back. This makes it not an ideal tree for hosta, because you won't have any shade from it during april.
Anyway, I have it in my garden as well, and I love it... and I have several plants growing under it : hosta, hosta and hosta , and some more hosta
Hi Connie,
I am new to this forum(usually hang out at RR and wintersowing),but I just wanted to chime in a minute if I may?.I have a catalpa tree in my front yard that was here when we moved here six years ago and it gets eaten by worms every year. It has never bloomed since we've been here and I was thinking of cutting it down. I didn't know that they could have such pretty blooms. I haven't planted anything under it but yours is so lovely, maybe I will plant some hostas or something too. If I could only keep the worms from eating it so badly(they actually strip it bare).
BTW, all of you have some really beautiful gardens and hostas!!!Have a great day...Marylee
I had to laugh reading about catalpa trees and their worms!
When I was growing up, my family had a cottage at a lake in Northern Indiana. All the fishermen had catalpa trees -- we had two. My dad had a redworm pit in the yard and grew his own redworm bait, but when the catalpa worms were active, they were the preferred bait. We'd stand under the trees with long bamboo fishing poles, and when we spotted a worm, we'd knock it off with the pole. My grandma was willing to spot them, but not to put them in the bait box! She always cautioned me to keep my hand over my mouth . . . she was certain one of the worms would fall in!
I was an adult before I noticed a catalpa tree in someone's landscaping and realized that some people grew them for reasons other than bait!
Thanks for prodding some sweet memories for me!
You'll want to take at least the bottom three branches off that tree and maybe even a fourth. I can't tell how tall it is. Otherwise, the tree is putting all its energy into those branches instead of growing taller and stronger. Think about how far from the ground you want branches to begin, once its large. Now, keep branches off the bottom two-thirds of the tree and keep moving up as it grows. Once the last third is as far from the ground as you want, you can leave the branches off the main trunk be.
It only gets harder on the tree the larger you let those branches to be removed get.
Michigan Roots
I have a Catalpa (did not know that was the name until this week and simply referred to it as a bean tree). I have fond memories of sitting high in the branches of my best friend's "bean tree" as a kid and belting out all of the songs from the Sound of Music (hate to date myself).
My bean tree is about 20 years old. I grow hosta under it and they are all very happy. It casts a lot of deep shade due to the very large leaves. I have entertained replacing it because I do seem to have things eating the leaves, plus I seem to get some type of brown blight (not any type of official name) on the leaves every year. Fortunately mine is a light flowerer resulting in very few beans. I thought this may be because I either have the male or female tree and my neighbor has the other. Each Spring I curse my very nice neighbor because of the huge volume of dried beans that drop and blow into my yard. They get caught by the thousands in my perennial and hosta beds and I have to rake the whole yard again in the spring.
However the tree has very nice form in the winter. Good luck with yours.
"Depends on your location EO. MOst of the hostas start leafing out End of March - Early April over here"
I understand but still say they don't need the shade until it gets hot, more sun does require more water which will cause problems but it is not the sun. It may be the sun on dry hosta but not the sun per se.
Trust me they will prosper in the sun if they are cool enough. Maybe some that burn easily or have a lot of white but not most hosta.
Most of my hostas get a lot of sun, some even all day long. I have a garden that's oriented to the south. My plants thrive... they get a lot of water and the potted ones are all standing in a shell of water
But my Tardianas loose their waxy coating during may, I would like them to stay blue longer in to the year. And I prefer the shady June over the June-in-the-sun, and that one get's also too much sun in May because under the Cathalpa
Sug, I'm only addressing the sun, they will grow more and bigger roots hence larger plants faster IF one sees to the water.
There are other questions of course, the sun will melt the wax on blues and probably burn out some whites. There is plenty of reason to use more shade but not for growing. My question is if you have shade why put them in the sun when there are many plants that thrive in the sun.
I like June and others such as Paul's Glory that will perform differently depending the amount of sun. June looks different everywhere one plants them and always grand. I just like some in a lot of sun or shade for different reasons; others just don't perform well in to little or too much sun OVERALL considering all factors.
I'm not taking you to task only saying again the sun is not something to fear in general. If for example you have small plants and want to get size quickly before you landscape with them then put them in the sun for 3 years PLUS A LOT OF WATER then site them for the long haul. How many times have you planted a hosta to later find the color is wrong for the spot or they grew larger than you expected.
I've grown hosta in pots for years sitting in water constantly with good resultÂs, in fact I can't say I've ever had a problem with to much water in pots.
I know IÂm beating a dead horse but some are over concerned about the sun or donÂt respect that the sun requires as much as 4 times the water, maybe more.
I call hosta HEAT INTOLERANT perennials not shade tolerant perennials. In their natural habitat hosta evolved with 4-8 times as much water as our gardens get yearly. Further short periods of draught can cause much harm to hosta that year usually they come back ok but there is always a loss if the get to dry.
Like I said, an important share of my plants are in full sun, like from 10h00 in the morning up to 17h00 in the afternoon
The Cathalpa is the only shadow provider in my garden...I like the tree & the leaves
I'm not afraid of the sun, but for the blue ones, it's not so good (wax melting).
One growing, a Cathalpa makes a very dense crown, so not a lot of filtered light. I think there are better trees out there, but a Cathalpa is so nice, I won't be changing it
Catalpa worm (do they bother hostas?)
Want worms? Here a link that may be useful: catalpa worms
We have oak worms here in w. Michigan also. Don_r
Michigan roots,
Thanks for the pruning advice. I have been wanting to trim them up higher but my H hasn't wanted to. Now I have something to back up why I want to do it. When is the time to do the pruning? Should I do it now or wait? Please let me know if you can. Thanks.
Just how much of a chance do I have of getting those worms? I have had no problem so far here in NW IL. I knew about the long beans that develope but I think the flowers outway that. I may change my mind in years to come, we'll see.
When I posted the picture I never thought it would get this many responces! I understand if that is the tree you have in your yard then you work with it to the best of your ability. None of us has the 'ideal' garden for every plant. I did plant 3 catalpas. I guess if they become too nasty they can go.
Maybe it is location, but my hostas haven't been effected by late leaf developement. The area I have that tree in the pictured gets no shade except the tree shade midday till late afternoon if I remember correctly. I'll have to keep track of how the hostas do this year and let everyone know.
Hi Connie
I'm in Illinois. I love my Catalpa. I planted it as a near dead stick that had just a few tiny roots on it. It grew fast, really fast and huge. I agree with others, you'll want to start shaping your tree now. Seriously, you will amazed at how fast they grow and despite that, it doesn't seem to lose limbs.
I've never seen a worm on my tree, maybe because it is the only one in the neighborhood? The bean pods are numerous but they are light and rake really easily. The leaves are easy in the fall too. Even though they are huge, they dry up fast and are easy to clean up.
Catalpa is one of the fastest growing trees that are strong.
I love these trees. My father-in-law introduced them to me.
They have wonderful worms for fishing which attract a large variety of birds. They have the most wonderful flowers when they bloom, and the get pretty big. I noticed one out in the country by my house that has a trunk roughly 4 feet wide. It is a mammoth of a tree and is like something from a fantasy book when it blooms.
My father in law has a ton of these on his large peice of property and under all of them he plants hostas, Hyacinths (sp?), and day lillies.
I'm hoping my trees are High Class Ones and won't allow worms anywhere near them!!!! LOL LOL
So far I haven't seen any on them. I plan on extending that planting area I had in the picture to include another small Catalpa I have in the garden. More places for hostas to grow.
Have you put one in your garden yet?
I have not planted any in my garden. Unfortunately at the current time I have a very small peice of property, and these trees can get very LARGE. I just don't have the room, however I live across the street from a park and pond. I have planted about 20 of my seedlings from my father in laws hows over there and they have sprouted as of last summer. We will see how they look this year.

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Junk Mini-Pond and Solar Pump
I was over on the Garden Junk Forum and stumbled into a post from dcarch, who is my favorite poster. I expect to see him in the Cooking Forum but just found that his art and ideas are extensively displayed on the 'Junk' forum as well. I thought that his old post from 2010 on repurposeing an aluminum frying pan for a bird bath would be appreciated here. Both the design and pump application might be useful here.
Here is a link that might be useful: Take a look.
Whaaaa?! Are you saying dcarch is a frequent poster in the cooking forum as well? Don't think I've ever visited the cooking forum here, didn't realize it existed actually, but I am SO headed there now!
Thanks, chas, for the heads-up. This is bound to be good.
Yep, that's what I meant. He really likes to play around with cooking techniques and food display. Some others like food presentation too and there are always interesting cooking ideas and recipes too (well duh). When I first googled dcarch, he was known as the inventor of the square tomato. Perhaps he still is.


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ONE of the most offensive critiques of the argument for paying reparations to African-Americans is the notion that black people are owed nothing because they are better off in America than they would be in Africa. The claim pops up all the time, and recently reared its head in our comments section in response to my colleague's post on Ta-Nehisi Coates's recent article on reparations in the Atlantic. It's an absurd response, but for moderately interesting reasons. People often employ counterfactuals when making judgments about history: would the world have been better off if the Soviet Union had remained intact? If the British Empire had not ruled India? If the atom bomb had not been dropped on Hiroshima? And so forth. Indeed, ever since David Hume, philosophers have treated counterfactuals as a key element of the very concept of causality: "A causes C" means that without A, C would not be true. The notion that African-Americans are indebted to the slave trade because without it they would still be in Africa helps to clarify how one should and shouldn't use such counterfactuals.
There are any number of reasons why the statement makes little sense. For starters, if the slave trade had not existed, rather few of the people we refer to as "African-Americans" would have been born at all. The vast majority of today's African-Americans have some European or Native American ancestry. Even for African-Americans of pure sub-Saharan African ancestry, there is essentially no chance that their ancestors, who may have hailed from places as far apart as Senegal and Angola, would have met and had children in the same pattern if not for the slave trade. More to the point, it would be just as easy to claim that African-Americans are better off being born in America than they would have been in Syria. So what? One could also say "America owes Native Americans nothing, because they are better off being born in America than they would be had they been born in Africa." There is no alternative history that would lead to today's Native Americans being born in Africa, but there is no alternative history that would lead to today's African-Americans being born in Africa either.
But wait; the implications of this counterfactual don't stop just yet. Had the slave trade never existed, the whole course of world history would have been different, and that would undoubtedly have shaken things up enough that none of today's white Americans would have been born either. The chances of any particular couple meeting and having children, and the chances of any particular combination between egg and sperm occurring, are vanishingly small. Even a slight disturbance of the initial conditions a few centuries ago, let alone a massive one such as the absence of the slave trade, would result in a completely different set of people coming into existence. At this point it begins to look like our consideration of the counterfactual is proving too much. Perhaps it is enough to say that all counterfactuals set more than a century ago have no bearing on people who exist now.
Maybe this is right, but it smells funny. Can it really be true that we have no ethical stake in any event that happened before we were born because, had that event not taken place, we would not exist to have a stake in it? Let's try a few other test cases. Consider a Japanese person, born in 1946, who grows up poisoned by radioactive fallout from the Hiroshima bombing. Can we say that the bombing of Hiroshima was neither good nor bad for this person because without the bombing, this particular person would not have been born? Was the Holocaust neither good nor bad for the postwar children of Holocaust survivors? Was the Vietnam War neither good nor bad for Vietnamese children born after 1975?
The wording of these questions suggests the answer. With or without the Vietnam War, there would have been Vietnamese children born after 1975. Without the war, Vietnamese children born after 1975 would have been healthier, wealthier, and run lower risks of being killed by unexploded ordnance or poisoned by dioxin from Agent Orange. Any individual Vietnamese person under 40 whom one encounters today might not have been born had the war not taken place, but each of them belongs to a class, "Vietnamese born after 1975", who were made worse off because of the war. The war hurt the class, and the individual suffers because of membership in that class. The logical error in the proposition "African-Americans would be worse off without slavery, because they would have been born in Africa" lies in the fact that the counterfactual it proposes eliminates the existence of the class it is describing. The "they" in the second clause of the sentence does not actually refer to anyone.
This is where I think we start to get useful results out of this thought exercise. When we ask whether African-Americans are owed anything by America, the quickest objection is that individual African-Americans may be much better off than individual white Americans. This confuses the claim being made, which is that America has persecuted African-Americans as a class, and individual African-Americans deserve redress due to their membership in that class. This moral reasoning should not be surprising; it is the one enshrined in American law under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We accept that African-Americans constitute a class inasmuch as race, like gender, religion and national origin, is recognised as a protected class under the Civil Rights Act. If we refused to recognise African-Americans as a class, there would be no way to apply laws barring racial discrimination in housing or employment. And if we pursue the reasoning that people can only be injured individually, not due to their membership in a class, we end up with absurd results: that children of Holocaust survivors were not harmed by the Holocaust, that Vietnamese born after 1975 were not harmed by the Vietnam War, and so forth.
To put this another way, when we pose counterfactuals, it's important to keep in mind who is asking the question, and what choice they are trying to make. It makes no sense to argue that African-Americans would be worse off if their ancestors had never come to America, because under those conditions there is no longer a class called "African-Americans". It makes sense to argue that African-Americans would be better off if their ancestors had come to America as freemen, because under those conditions there is still a class called "African-Americans". To take a more relevant question that is key to Mr Coates's article, one might ask whether African-Americans would be better off if federal housing policy had not discriminated against them from the 1930s through at least the 1960s. Another sensible question might be whether Americans as a whole would be better off if they had confidence that the government would protect them from being singled out for persecution on the basis of their membership in some racial, religious or gender group, and would compensate them if such persecution did occur.
I think reparations for African-Americans are a bad idea. I will not go into that argument here; it wouldn't fit in this post. But I think it's important that people understand the claim being made, and that they understand that certain ways of dismissing it are actually nonsensical, or incompatible with the way we routinely talk about ethical questions that bear on groups or on historical events. The weakness of the reparations argument is not that we shouldn't talk about racial classes, that African-Americans are not a racial class, or that it cannot be true that one class of people owes another class of people something. We already accept all of these propositions in many other contexts. The questions are whether reparations would actually do anything substantial to solve the problems they claim to solve, whether the costs they impose on those who would have to pay them are justifiable or reasonable, whether there is any conceivable political likelihood that they will ever happen, or whether the effort to obtain them will lead to undesirable side effects that outweigh whatever benefits they promise.
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This liberal rag TE is going off the rails
You clearly don't know anything about the South or Jim Crow, so what are you doing? Whining about paying for something you want no part of? Yes, and why should I have pay for the war in Iraq and corporate subsidies?
If you bought a partnership in a corporation that owed debts, wouldn't your share of ownership also owe it's share of that debt?
This country owes a debt, when you take part ownership of this country, you take part ownership of that debt.
Instead of responding to the worse and most offensive response to reparations why you don't you spend your time responding to some of the more intelligent ones?
Why should people who never owned slaves have to pay reparations to people that were never enslaved?
Who is going to pay for it and how? Should states that didn't even exist at the time of slavery have to pay? Should people who's ancestors arrived after the emancipation have to pay? Should people who's ancestors fought (and perhaps died) for the Union have to pay?
Who is going to get it?
How is one going to prove their ancestor was a slave, how much slave heritage do you need?
Why would reparations go to people several generations removed from slavery?
Is it worth the total racial backlash that is likely to follow? After reparations are we still going to allow affirmative action to continue or will the "debt" be repaid entirely?
Who else deserves reparations? Let's face it, human beings can be cruel animals and virtually every single ethnic group has both perpetuated and been the victim of a great historical injustice.
Can the Irish get reparations from Britain? Can the indigenous peoples of Latin America obtain them from Spain? Perhaps Italy should pay reparations to Israel for the sack of Jerusalem.
Yes. Because no former-slaves are currently alive. Going down this road opens up all sorts of avenues for generational debt.
I'm obviously owed reparations by the English due to the abused heaped upon my Irish and Scottish ancestors.
My family originated from the southern Netherlands, occupied in large part and time by Spain and the Austrian Habsburgs between 1568 and 1648. For that reason, that part of Holland remained less-developed than the rest of the country for many centuries, and my ancestors were also not part of the very successful Dutch "Golden Age". Does that mean Spain and Austria need to compensate me? I don't think so.
Slavery still flourishes!
Dear Editors,
There are many more slaves today than 150 years ago!
Let us start by stopping this appalling condition where it exists, and we can talk about reparations to descendants of American slaves later.
Yeah, but it is not a company, nor a debt. In fact nobody alive has suffered as a slave and nobody alive has profited directly from slavery or slave trade. This is just a new way of looking for a easy handout.
Black Americans are owed nothing, because the converse implies collective guilt - and collective entitlement.
IMO people seeking "reparations" are doing something unfathomably unethical - they're actually using the suffering of their ancestors as an excuse to get at freebies they must know are undeserved.
Remember, flipping the polarities on racism doesn't make it any better.
How do you pay reparations to US Blacks? Are there any living ex slaves alive? But, OK, say payments are made. What about a second generation Asian American who objects to having his tax dollars spent on reparations, can he in turn sue the African chiefs who sold slaves to the European slavers? Maybe so...
Then why shouldn't British subjects sue the Italians (Roman Empire) for being colonized? The Italians could in turn sue the Germans for the demise of the Roman Empire.
I think the Economist is on to something: full employment for lawyers and unlimited stimulus payments to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Bring it on :)
This article is offensive. I'm an Asian American, why the fu$# should I pay for what a small minority of white people (none of whom are currently living) did over a hundred years ago?
It is serious time to move on from the Economist.
"ONE of the most offensive critiques of the argument for paying reparations to African-Americans is the notion that black people are owed nothing because they are better off in America than they would be in Africa."
Fair enough. Here are some equally offensive arguments:
* Any people alive today are responsible for slavery.
* Blacks have had it worse in history than all others (Native Americans, Jews, Chinese).
* That blacks, unlike all other groups, should not be should not be considered to be in control of their own lives (that, incidentally, is also racist b/c it implies that blacks aren't "adults")
* That whites who's ancestors fought for the Union cause in the civil war should pay "reparations" to blacks who partially descend from slave owners (and therefore, by this wholly uncontrollable concept of "hereditary guilt" which must, at some level be assumed to make sense of reparations, are actually more "hereditarily guilty" than whites who had nothing to do with slavery).
* In an international context, that the lion's share of the reparations bill will not be sent to black Africans and Arabs.
I think Reparations for slavery is a great idea...Everybody will get paid! Per the University of Washington 2013 lecture series 'The Making of Slavery in America', 40-45% of slaves in the Colonies and later the United States, were white Irish and English. Most Sharecroppers were white. My grandparents were Irish Sharecroppers in Kansas and they were white. Also, my good friends happen to be Asian mix with some Chinese and their ancestors built all the railroads for nothing and were abused and murdered just because they were Chinese. My old buddies at the bank are Mexican and their ancestors were enslaved, murdered and land taken. And the American Indians were also enslaved, murdered, robbed and sold off to other countries too.
If I have missed an ethnicity I apologize, but I am sure your ancestors have been abused, robbed and murdered along the way too... To only talk about Blacks would be an injustice to all the others who have worked, suffered, been robbed, murdered in building America... oh ya, forgot about the centuries of child labor.
Or they could just, you know, not partake in purchasing & consuming illegal substances & turn the system on its head by having no criminals to prosecute.
And I, in the good old land of Bohemia, am owed colossal sums by the Russians for four decades of de-facto occupation, the Germans for WW2 and the protectorate, and the Habsburgs for four friggin centuries of feudal opression.
In other words, the entire world owes the entire rest of the world everything, if you follow this logic. And it all boils down to an irreconcilable screaming match with a lot of revisionism and mythologised histories.
Or should it apply only to the specific case of black slaves?
Fine, that's racist as hell by way of condescension, because it implies they're so weak and inferior, they need special treatment.
Just nope.
And vice-versa.
What's your point?
"There is nothing a white person can say to a black person about race that is not both incorrect and offensive."
--- David Mamet
I could see a government "reparation fund" aimed at helping academically-qualified black kids with university scholarships. But I think there already are multiple scholarship programs to that effect.
The problems of broken black families and high dropout rates in schools -- both lethal forces that are continuing to hold back the black population -- cannot be solved by giving money away by skin color.
One must disagree. Slavery was iniquitous in a way that proletarianization during the Industrial Revolution was not. Antebellum planters loved to equate northern "wage slaves" in the new factories with their slaves and some Marxist historians furthered their argument. Elsewhere, the image of the "kindly owner" was embalmed in such historical pageants as "Gone With the Wind." Finally, in the 1950s, Kenneth Stampp wrote "The Peculiar Institution" to call attention to just how ghastly slavery was and his work has been constantly updated, most recently in "The Fall of the House of Dixie."
Here are differences between slavery and the proletariat:
* Slaves could be sold as chattel. This, alone, is a monumental difference.
* Families were frequently broken up and their members peddled separately. Watching your son go into the pit is bad enough but it pales beside watching a white slave owner walk away with your daughter forever.
* Death, whipping, maiming and castration were routinely inflicted on black slaves. The proletariat simply lost their jobs.
* There was no hope under slavery. None. You could never work your way out of it.
* Under slavery, your kids were condemned to a brutal life before they were even born.
* Basic education, even simple sums, was routinely denied slaves and often under the color of law. Not true with the proletariat.
* Slave women could be routinely raped -- and were.
* Marriage was not recognized as legally binding between slaves and so couples could be separated at a whim and one sold "down the river."
As for the argument that slaveholders "protected" their property in slaves because this property was valuable, it simply discounts human perversity. The Jews were valuable to the Nazis as forced labor -- what happened to them (the Jews?)
Slavery was not just the working class with a black skin. It was a hideous and sadistic crime perpetrated in history up to only a few years before the invention of the telephone and electric lights.
We are well rid of it!
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|Chew Proof: No
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This cage suits my needs. My adult dogs dont try to escape. I use them to separate my 3 females who will fight each other. I have recently discovered that my male dog is smart enough to open the cage from the outside and release my females... the cage was empty of females... he was actually going after the food that one of them had left behind. None the less, it made me aware that the double latch design is too simple. To be fair... he would not be able to open the latch from the inside of the cage. I have a cage (unknown mfg.) that I purchased some twenty years ago and still use... it also has a double latch, but they are connected by a double vertical rod that is spring loaded... it is more of a pain for me to open and lock but it is relatively dog proof.
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We use this in our living room for our 60lb. black lab. She has plenty of space and when we re-arrange furniture, we can choose to use the side or front door. This is doggy's house and she's very comfy there with her bed inside. My only complaint would be that the metal-on-metal can be noisy when doggy moves around. The removable tray is a nice feature if water is spilled or for cleaning.
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I needed a larger crate for my growing German Shepherd puppy. She was able to escape from her the one that had been loaned to me. I looked at a number of different brands and decided to take a chance on this one. I am more than happy with the quality. It's a little heavy, but I needed that for her. For the price the quality exceeds what I was expecting.
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Only problem I have with it is the front door latch is really hard to shut, just gotta use some extra muscle on it. Oh and I wish there was another door on the other side due to where I have to put it in my mudroom. But the price can't be beat at other websites and stores.
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We are trying to pick a dishwasher and have read all the reviews and feel like Miele seems to be the top pick. My only concern is that I really want all of my dishes to be dry--does the auto open feature on the Miele work? If you have this on your Miele are your dishes dry? Or should I pick a different brand with a heating element?
I have one of the ones that open the door to accelerate drying. My model is La Perla II which was the top model in the older line. In the current models, Diamond and dimension plus both have the auto open feature. The DW is incredible? I thought my DH will never stop scrubbing and rinsing dishes before loading the DW. Finally he trusts a DW enough to scrape and load. Even oatmeal cooking pots and bowls with dried cereal and oily tomato pasta sauces with baked cheese. Just brilliant.
Does my Miele dishwasher really dry my dishes?
My new Dimension Plus (edited to add that this model does pop open at the end of the cycle) does not dry all of my dishes completely every time like my crappy Kenmore did. I'm not happy about having to hand dry dishes or leave them laying cluttered on a towel next to the sink to finish drying. I even went through the manual and found how to adjust the settings to make the fan run longer at the end to help with drying. Things are definitely drier now, but not dry all the way. I'm really disappointed as after reading so many posts here saying that the heated dry feature wasn't necessary for drying I expected better results.
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I believe I have the Futura Diamond which has the option for Turbo Boost (higher fan circulation at end of cycle for ten minutes). Since I just started using it I have noticed that yes, the dishes are dryer, including glasses and cups with mild lips as well as the silverware. So now i regularly use that option. The door opens automatically to room air, so I let the DW set for a bit.
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I have a La Perla II
I use Miele Rinse Aid.
Yes, all my dishes get dry.
I don't have many plastics other than Tupperware.
There may be a droplet or two in the lip of the lids but that is about it.
When I have plastics in there or the DW is really full I use the extended drying option.
BTW A poster on here ,not too long ago, claimed the Dimension Plus has been discontinued and all the Dimensions have the auto open door option now. May want to confirm before buying.
I have the Miele Diamond. Plastics don't get totally dry, but that was also the case with my previous DW that had the heating element.
I have tiny puddles in the concave bottoms of certain mugs, but again, I think this is unavoidable regardless of which DW you have, at least it has been for me.
The Miele dries at least as well, if not better, than any DW I've had. I'd highly recommend it, but be sure to get a 5-year warranty.
I purchased a Miele Dimension Plus floor model (I can confirm the Dimension Plus has been retired). It has the auto open feature. It dries my dishes and I am thrilled. Of course, I have to be cognizant not to place things where they will collect and hold water (i.e.: a large soup ladle placed upright). I also have it full of rinse aid and use the turbo.
I've had 2 Miele DW over the last ten years, one when I lived in Southern California and one that I bought when we moved to Virginia, and have never had trouble with wet dishes. Like other posters, I sometimes have a few water drops, but not enough to have to leave anything on a counter to dry. I did wonder when I moved east if the Miele wouldn't dry as well in a more humid climate, but it hasn't been a problem. I love Miele dishwashers.
YES, YES, YES!! Do not hesitate to buy a Miele DW. There is no competition. Simply the best. Miele is the Rolls-Royce of appliances. We have 10 Miele appliances, and they are amazing!


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MIAMI (AP)—Once the Philadelphia Phillies broke up Dontrelle Willis' shutout in the ninth inning, there was no stopping them.
Thanks in part to the Florida Marlins' inept bullpen and defense, the first 10 batters in the ninth reached base, and Philadelphia scored 10 times to win 10-2 Saturday afternoon.
"It was strange," Philadelphia's Pat Burrell said. "Willis pitched a heck of a game. The way things were going, it didn't look good."
Willis (21-9) was on the verge of becoming baseball's first 22-game winner when he took a three-hitter and a 2-0 lead into the ninth. Instead, his streak of victories in six consecutive starts ended.
"When you get a well-pitched game, it's tough to just give it away and play like the Bad News Bears in that one inning," manager Jack McKeon said.
The Phillies won for the sixth time in seven games and remained a half-game behind Houston in the NL wild-card race after the Astros beat Milwaukee 7-0. The stunned Marlins fell 2 1/2 games back with their fourth consecutive loss, and the latest was the kind that can have a lingering effect.
Florida allowed four unearned runs in a nightmarish ninth, committing four errors—a team record for one inning—and at least two other fielding lapses.
"I haven't seen anything like it. I can't even explain it," center fielder Juan Pierre said. "It looked like we had everything in hand. To see the wheels fall off, it's a tough one to swallow, especially at this time of year."
Todd Jones blew a save for the first time in his past 28 chances. He faced five batters, gave up five runs and committed a throwing error that allowed Philadelphia to score the go-ahead run.
"If you want to play in the playoffs, you can't do what we did today," Jones said. "When you don't pitch and don't play defense, you're not going to win. I did a little bit of not doing both."
Jimmy Rollins started the comeback with a single leading off the ninth, extending his hitting streak to 23 games, longest in the NL this year. Jason Michaels walked—the only base on balls allowed by Willis—and second baseman Luis Castillo failed to glove Bobby Abreu's sharp grounder for an error, scoring a run.
Jones came on to face Burrell, whose short fly dropped in front of Pierre for an RBI single. With runners at first and second, Chase Utley bunted, and Jones made a wild, off-balance throw to first that sailed down the right-field line, putting the Phillies ahead 3-2.
David Bell hit a fly similar to Burrell's, and the ball dropped just beyond Castillo's reach for a single, scoring another run as jeers from the crowd of 27,203 grew louder.
"Things started to go our way," said Phillies manager Charlie Manuel, who earned his 300th career win. "When that second ball to center field fell in, I said, `Man, this is all right."'
McKeon said the bloopers hit by Burrell and Bell probably should have both been caught.
Mike Lieberthal followed with an RBI single, and pinch-hitter Ryan Howard hit a grounder that rolled between the legs of first baseman Jeff Conine for another error, scoring another run for a 6-2 Phillies lead.
Pinch-hitter Michael Tucker singled off Ron Villone to load the bases, and Rollins hit a two-run single. Endy Chavez and Shane Victorino, who entered the game as pinch runners in the ninth, closed out the scoring with RBI singles.
Willis watched the meltdown from the dugout but refused to blame his teammates for costing him win No. 22.
"I'm disappointed in myself," he said. "I feel like I let my team down today because we lost the game."
Going back to last weekend, the Phillies have scored 52 runs in their past five games against Florida. Philadelphia, 10-8 against the Marlins this year with one game left, is assured of winning the season series for the first time since 2001.
In the wake of the Phillies' latest victory, McKeon said they reminded him of the 2003 World Series champion Marlins.
"We gave them an opening," McKeon said, "and they cashed in."
The Marlins recalled infielder Joe Dillon from Triple-A Albuquerque. … Willis batted eighth, making him the first starting pitcher to bat anywhere other than ninth for the Marlins. He's the first in the majors since Tomo Ohka batted eighth for Montreal on May 30, 2004. Rookie shortstop Robert Andino batted ninth for Florida. … Felo Ramirez, a Spanish-language radio announcer for 60 years, was honored during the pregame ceremony. He has been with the Marlins since their first game in 1993.


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