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Looking for any information on Jacob Wayne and Nancy Barnhouse Wayne. Jacob was the son of Tunis Wayne and Catherine Propst. Thank you Ardella Cottrill email@example.com ========================================================= I am seeking the parents of Andrew Wayne who was born March 20, 1799 in PA, married Elizabeth Smith on Dec 12, 1822 and died April 24, 1879 in Marshall County, WV. He is buried in the Smith cemetery near his father-in-law Samuel Smith. One source lists his father as Samuel Wayne, son of Jacob Wayne. I have no details on Samuel Wayne. Another source lists his father as an Anthony Wayne (not Mad Anthony). Who was Andrew Wayne's father and who was his mother? What relation was he to "Mad" Anthony Wayne? Is anyone else researching this family? TIA, Augusta Eller firstname.lastname@example.com ============================================================== Hi Chris, Yes my maiden name is Wayne, and we have an interest in the family tree. This is as far we have found, John Augustus Wayne 1913 to 1995 Father Millard Earl Wayne 1883 to 1956 Grandfather Thomas Augustus Wayne 1854 to 1935Great Grandfather James B. Wayne about 1825 to ? Great Great Grandfather John Wayne ? to ?GreatGreatGreatGrandfather. The family came from Cherokee County Georgia to Fort Belknap Texas then to Cloudcroft New Mexico, then to Tucumcari New Mexico and Albuquerque. I was told by my father that we were decended from Capt. Anthony Wayne from Ireland, who was the Grandfather of General "Mad" Anthony Wayne. I also have some names of the other children of the Wayne family. Let me hear form you. Thank You, Barbara Wayne Totzke "barbara totzke" firstname.lastname@example.com =================================================================== Subject: Re: Signed Guestbook Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:51:50 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Chris, I have some information on the Wayne family. General Anthony Wayne's grandfather was my gggggggrandfather (?) or close to it. I am fairly new at doing genealogy research so I do not have a webpage but my cousin has posted her information at <http://home.fuse.net/myleslie>. We have a John Wayne born in 1718. We have information on his parents and his ancestors but nothing on him. If this is the John Wayne that you are looking for we would love to have any information you may have. Since I got your email I have been looking for any connection to Campbell County, Va. When you visit the site you will see a lot of John's and the information that goes back to 1431. I have contacted the Anthony Wayne historical society. This past fall I visited Waynesborough in Paoli, PA and they had a lot of information on the Wayne's. I wrote to the lady who was researching the family and asked for her information. I have not heard back. I encouraged them to get a web page but they said they didn't have the resources to do this. I told them that it would be really cheap and there are people who would do it for them at little or no cost. I would love to hear back from you. It looks as if we might be related. I live in Simpsonville, KY which is just outside of Louisville. My mother is a Wayne and grew up in Nelson County, KY. Her father and uncle's had told her many stories about General Wayne which peaked my interest in starting with her family when I started researching my family tree. I am looking forward to hearing from you. Carol ================================================================ Subject: [WAYNE-L] Churchwell and Sarah Jane Wayne/Wain Resent-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:13:43 -0500 From: charla hyam <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com I have great-great-great grandparents named Churchwell and Sarah Jane Wayne. They came from Kentucky to Macoupin, County IL prior to 1850. The 1850 census spells the last name "Wayne", but the 1860 census spells it "Wain". They had seven children, all born in IL: William, Issac, Victoria, Sarah Jane, Marian, Silas, and Frances. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Charla Hyam =========================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] EPHRAIM WAYNE Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:00:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:02:16 -0600 From: "CHRIS DOEHRING" <email@example.com> To: email@example.com My GGGGGrandfather was Ephraim Wayne. His name is on the Chester Co. Pa. tax list in 1780. It then appears on the Philadelphia tax list for supplies in 1782. He then shows up in Madison Co. Ky.on the 1800 census and owns 62 acres of land. He, son William L., and grandson, Archibald Hill Wayne then moved to Audrain Co. Mo.in and around 1817. They made trips back and forth to Kentucky . I found an Ephraim Wayne on the 1850 census in Talbott Co.,Ga. He was 68 and listed Maryland as his place of birth. I am looking for any earlier dated information on Ephraim. Thanks, Barbara Doehring ============================================================ Subject: Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:01:01 -0600 From: "CHRIS DOEHRING" <email@example.com> To: "Chris Wayne" <firstname.lastname@example.com> Chris, Thank you for answering. My Wayne tree was undertaken in the 60's by two very alert and charming little old ladies, one a descendant of Nathaniel of Madison Co., Ky and the other a descendant of Archibald , who was my GGGgrandfather. I will answer your questions first and then add some information. 1) We don't have a clue what the L in William L. stands for. 2) The ladies think that Ephraim had more than one son. The 1799 Tax List of MadisonCo. listed a white male over 13. Mrs. Patterson thought that is was Nathaniel. It might have been Ephraim of Ga. (My son, Chris, thinks that the Ephraim of Ga. is probably a nephew.) 3) William L. Wayne was married at least three times. His second wife was Sally Johnson, widow of Jepe Johnson. His children were: Amelia Perry Wayne and she married Moses Miller, Archibald Hill Wayne, Elizabeth Jane Wayne who married Houston Canada, Martha Wayne(?), Mary Elizabeth Wayne who married Houston Canada, and Lucy Wayne who lived to be thirteen. Archibald Hill was married three documented times and there is a mention of a fourth. He sired 10-11 children that we know of. Ephraim died in 1824 and left the slaves and household goods to Eleanor and William. If Ephraim is the same as listed on the Chester Co. Pa. Tax List, he would have been in his 60s when he died. He started as a shoemaker. I found his named listed 5 times in the Pennsylvania Archives. He was also listed as a member of a regiment located in Chester Co. There is still alot to be researched in those archives. An oddity is that my uncle looks like Mad Anthony. The similarity is uncanny. Again, thank you for your response. Barbara ============================================================== Subject: Re Wm L. Wayne Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:06:13 -0600 From: "CHRIS DOEHRING" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: "Chris Wayne" <email@example.com> Belated Merry Christmas, Will try to answer the questions you posed first. William L. Wayne had Elizabeth Jane who married Houston/Housen/Houser Canada/Kennada and Mary E. Wayne who married James Crosswhite whose sister Nancy married Archibald H. Wayne. Do not know what happened to slaves. Now to the more interesting part. I called Archie L. Wayne , who lives in St. Charles. His wife answered. I introduced myself and told her that I was researching the Waynes and trying to fill in blanks. She had corresponded with a lady in California, who is now dead. I asked what her huband's name is. It is Archie Lee Wayne. His father 's name was the same. He is deceased. He is from the Buford Tracy Wayne , whose mother was Cynthia Copher Baxter. She was Archibald's last wife. The other Archie Wayne is a realtor in downtown St. Louis. I know that we are not related. Archie Lee's wife told me that he would not be interested in this but that she was going to put me in touch with Brad Wayne Brice who is a cousin of Archie Lee and interested in family history. This Wayne line is from Hannibal, Mo. You placed Ephraim on the Waynesborogh tree. How and why? Remember that there is an Ephraim born around 1782 in Maryland. I have not found a way to research this area. Our libraries are sparce in some of the Eastern States. If you come across any thing get back to me. I will look up in the book on the Kingdom of Calloway for your Waynes. Thanks. Barbara ================================================================ FTM wayne file. montrose email@example.com walker K. McCulloch =============================================================== Subject: Norton Hall Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:17:50 -0700 From: Chris Wayne <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: email@example.com References: 1 This is my first real post. I've been lurking for awhile now, hoping to learn some of the basics and the like. I think I've got all I can without asking questions, so here goes... I'm looking for anything on Norton Hall, which I believe is or was near Chesterfield, perhaps in Norton Parish??? From the information that I have, I believe I am descendant from this place. The information I have comes from a family tree that I cannot confirm. The pertinent data that I have follows: GABRIEL WAYNE: b. Abt. 1622, Thurvaston, Formack, CoD; d. Aft. 1678, Norton Hall, Dsh. m. (1) MARTHA SAUNDERSON, daughter of NICHOLAS SAUNDERSON and ? NORTON. Fact 1: 1657, Mayor of Borough of Chesterfield (Wain variant spelling) Fact 2: Dealer in Iron Mines More About MARTHA SAUNDERSON: Fact 1: Widow of Gilbert Morewood, of Dronefield, CoD They then had 10 children MARIA ( b. October 26, 1645). FRANCIS (b. May 27, 1649; d. WFT Est. 1644-1751) CHARLES CAROLUS (b. March 26, 1650; d. WFT Est. 1644-1751) GABRIEL (b. December 10, 1653, Chesterfield, Dsh; d. January 18, 1721/22, Conham, SS Philip & Jac, Co. Glouchester, m. ELIZABETH SHARPE, daughter of WILLIAM SHARPE and MARGARET. Fact 1: 1688, Patent Roll by King William H.M. Mary Fact 2: July 16, 1691, Patent, smelter for copper/iron ore Fact 3: April 28, 1693, Warrant for charter of incorporation Fact 4: Burke's Landed Gentry pg 1223, 1852 Ed. Fact 5: Wain variant of Wayne) JOHN (b. October 11, 1655, Chesterfield, Dsh; d. December 12, 1655, Chesterfield, Dsh, ENG) REBECCA (b. July 09, 1658; d. December 04, 1667) JUDITH (b. Abt. 1665; d. June 27, 1668) RICHARD (b. Abt. 1666; d. January 06, 1668/69. Fact 1: Ricus variant of Richard) ANTHONY (b. 1667, Chesterfield, CoDhire; d. Dec 02, 1739, Eastown, Chester County, PA. m. HANNAH FAULKNER 1690 in County Wicklow, Ireland) Unnamed daughter (b. May 1649) I believe that the majority of Waynes in the USA, can trace a line to Anthony. He had Six surviving sons (and three daughters). He is also the grandfather of General "Mad" Anthony Wayne of the American Revolution. Anthony was a captain of dragoons that fought with William of Orange at the Battle of Boyne in 1690. Because of this, he was granted land near Rathdrum, County Wicklow, Ireland. It is my belief that the family "came into" money when Gabriel married Martha and this allowed Anthony to obtain an officer position. I'm interested in anything, past or present - pictures, who lives there now, how did the Norton's lose it, if they did? What happened to it? Who was the original Norton? Duke, Earl, what? What is the relation to the Royal Line? Books to look at. Anything. Can somebody, do a lookup in the Burke's Landed Gentry, pg 1223, 1852 Ed. and if it's not a lot, send it to me? I'm also interested in NICHOLAS SAUNDERSON. thanks, chris ==== DERBYSGEN Mailing List ==== The Derbyshire Look-up Exchange Page can be found at: http://www.vaxxine.com/genrace/dbys.htm =============================================================== Subject: [JESSE-JAMES-L] Looking for family link Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:41:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:59:12 -0700 From: Chris Wayne <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1 We have a family story that we are related to the James/Daltons. How? By blood, marraige, association or tall tale? I figure about half of the American population also has such stories too :-) It's said that my gg grandfather, Benjamin M Wayne, would pack up the mules with enough supplies to support a small army for months and then disappear into the Missouri countryside. Two or three weeks later, he would return with no sign of supplies or mules. Benjamin was born in Callaway Co. in 1833. In 1860 his mother, Elizabeth "Betsey" Talbott Wayne and a brother-in-law, Alexander Williams die from some epidemic in Grand River TWP (at least the mother does - I assume she was visiting), Bates Co. Benjamin and his father, John W. Wayne, Jr. packs up both families and settles in Henry Co. (at least buying land there), perhaps they setup house in Bates?? In 1858, Benjamin marries Flavia B ?? I have yet to find the marriage record. Is this the link? When war breaks out, Benjamin is 28. He joins the Union (I assume at Warrensberg??) in the 7th Missouri Cavarly, company H. It is some time after the war that these stories of him disappearing take place. He has at least four children (by 1860), Mary E. (b. 1858); John W. (b. Mar 9, 1859); James L (b. May 1860); Ann (b. 1852). I don't know how Ann is related? Probably Flavia's daughter from a previous marriage?? John W is my great grandfather. He hired onto wagon trains heading west (I know nothing more on this). In Dec 1885, he settles down in Shawnee, Pottawatomie Co., Oklahoma and marries a Nellie C. Lester (b. Oct 6, 1863) sometime prior to 1900. There was an Uncle Ezra Estes that lived two doors down. Ezra had a son named Lee. I assume that Ezra was Nellie's relation?? I found this record: 91-77205: Chostner, James Earl, 1894-1973. Kestner-Kastner- Costner-Chostner, 1550-1991 : and the related families of Estes, Hopkins, James, and Nanney / Jackson, MO : D.B. Davault, ^^^^^ ^^^^^ c1991. 233 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: CS71.K194 1991 Which makes me wonder if Nellie is the link? One thing I noticed, is that three places that the James gang hit were in or adjacent to counties that are named Wayne: Corydon was in Wayne Co., IA Gads Hill Wayne MO Huntington, Cabell Co., WV (adjacent to Wayne Co., WV) Now I admit that this is probably a coincidence, but I was curious on how they picked their jobs? Perhaps Benjamin got Jesse pissed off, so he pick a place named Wayne to relase his tensions?? :-) If Nellie is the link then the James probably didn't know Benjamin, unless the reason that John W settled in Shawnee was because of related James family settled there too? In 1912, Nellie dies (Mar 7) as well as her daughter, Virginia (Mar 5). Benjamin and Flavia move to Shawnee to take care of John W's son, J.W. II, my grandfather. By 1917, Benjamin and Flavia moves to Westwood, CA to live with a family friend or relation. A lady with the last name of Dolton or Dolan (note: not Dalton). Is this Dolton a James' relation? Flavia dies in 1917 and Benjamin in 1920 and both are buried in the National Veterans Cemetery in LA. This is all I have. Does this ring a bell with anybody? thanks, chris ==== JESSE-JAMES Mailing List ==== Visit the Jesse James Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/jamesged.htm ****************************************** If you have a page on the James Gang or other MO Outlaws let me know and I will add the URL here. ============================================================== Subject: Re: Norton Hall Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:01:48 -0000 From: "David Draycott" <email@example.com> To: <email@example.com> Chris, I was born in Sheffield, and until 1957 lived in Greenhill. I am sure I remember a Norton Hall just to the west of Greenhill. The map I enclose shows the area between Sheffield and Chesterfield and I have highlighted Norton, a suburb of Sheffield in South Yorkshire. I also vaguely remember my parents telling me that the area was, prior to boundary changes, in Derbyshire. There is definitely a Derbyshire Lane in Norton. Cheers and Take Care, DaveD (8:D) ============================================================== Subject: Temple and John Wayne, Jr Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:15:37 -0600 (CST) From: Delbert Brooksher <email@example.com> To: email@example.com CC: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com Hello Chris, Frank, and Jim I'm laggin behind lately Have been so busy at our Lodge, and Chuirch work has been heavy, too. Era meetings, and cooking for Lodge and outside organizations has kept up more than busy. For Chris. Regretfully the only thing I have on John, Jr and Betsy Talbot is their marriage on 7 Mar 1818 in Bourbon County, KY. I can give you the names of two researchers who may be able to help: (l) Evelyn Moore, 1617 Kasold Dr., Lawrence, Kansas, 66047-1709, and (1) Ralph Nations, 202 Locust, Mound City, Kansas, 66056. Neither are online to my knowledge. For all you guys, we hope you have a great Thanksgiving holiday season and much happiness thru the Christmas season. I've got to quit working and get back to playing so I can keep in touch with you guys. Regards, Delbert ============================================================== Subject: possible clue Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:56:52 -0600 (CST) From: Delbert Brooksher <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com Wishing you guys a Happy New Year with only good things happening. I really am alive and well in SE Kansas and anxious to get back to my gen pursuits, and at least get caught up. While poking around for something else I ran into information on a Nancy Tankersley. She is not our Nancy Tankersley, but due to recurrent use of names within families, and because she was a Tankersley, I thought I'd send it along. Perhaps we can use it to locate our Nancy Tankersley. Quoting: 4545 TANKERSLEY John H. 44 M Farmer 4545 TANKERSLEY Eliza 36 F 4545 TANKERSLEY John B.. 15 M Laborer 4545 TANKERSLEY Nancy E. 12 F 4545 TANKERSLEY Francis E 12 F 4545 TANKERSLEY Miranda 10 F 4545 TANKERSLEY Hugh L. W. 8 M 4545 TANKERSLEY Lewis 6 M 455 TANKERSLEY Mary 4 F 4545 TANKERSLEY James R. l M CENSUS YR: 18850 TERRITORY: TN COUNTY: Hardin. PAGE: 204 REFERENCE: Enumerated 26th Sept 1850 By: George D. Morrow, MF407 The 1998 Linn County Reunion report is out. Will get copies and snail them to you, but think I need Chris' snail address. For Chris: Will also get the stuff I have copied and on its way to you. Temple Wayne had a son, George. We have located a decendent of George in Canada. Very little is known about George, but our Canadian cousin is trying to gather up some information for us on George after he left Kansas. There is a Wayne reunion in Washing State annually, presumably of George's decendents. Happy hunting! Delbert ============================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] "Mad" Anthony WAYNE Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:02:46 EDT From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Am looking for decendant info on Mad Anthony Wayne. My GGmother was Queen Victoria Wayne and reported to be a decendant. Any leads appreciated. ====================================================================== From: Chris Wayne <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com <email@example.com> Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 12:03 AM Subject: Ezra Estes (OK) >My grandfather, John Wayne II, told me about visiting Uncle Ezra Estes >in Shawnee (before 1950). The two families lived on Beard St about two >blocks apart. My ggrandfather, John Wayne, moved to Shawnee in 1895 and >married Nellie Lester (or Lister?) some time after 1900. Nellie was >related to Ezra. Ezra had a son named Lee. I saw a reference that some >Estes was related to the James/Daltons, plus, there are family stories >that we are somehow related. I'd like to find out if this is true and >if it's through the Lester/Estes link. Can you help out? >================================================================= Subject: Wayne-Talbott Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:58:23 -0600 From: ED DOLAN <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Dear Chris: I just caught your message to the Bourbon Co. List. I'm also descended from Hugh Talbott, through his daughter Margaret, who mar. Samuel Monson, Jr., date unknown. I had some help with the Talbott line from another genealogist, who believed Hugh was the father of Margaret, bur had no proof. I had been researching Bourbon and Nicholas Cos. for some time, and had seen a book "Millers of Millersburg", by Harry Middleton Hyatt. I tried checking his name at my local LDS Family History Center, and found he had also begun a book on the Baker family of Bourbon and Nicholas. On one of the microfilm reels were miscellaneous Bourbon Co. records, and one was a reference to a suit brought by Henry Hall (husband of Fanny Talbott, dau. of Hugh) vs. heirs of Hugh Talbott, including Margaret Fox (formerly Monson, she had remarried Nathaniel Fox) and John and Betsy Wayne, of Missouri. The next time I went to Paris, Ky., I looked into this box (old metal long boxes built into the walls of the probate office) and found the originals from this suit. The Waynes had gone to Missouri; Augustine Talbott to Ohio, etc. Here's a listing: ----- Bourbon County, Kentucky Circuit Court. Box 1158. Papers from a lawsuit, dated 13 April, 1846. On front page is the following: Henry Hall --Bill -- vs. Nathaniel Fox [2nd husband of Margaret Talbott] & his wife -- Nicholas Co. John Wayne & Betsy Wayne his wife -- Missouri James M. Talbott, Hugh T. Talbott, & Henry Talbott, Jr. -- children of Augustine E. Talbott -- infants -- Ohio William Kinney -- Bourbon County Jno. H. Kinney -- Mercer Co. -- inft [infant] Saml. L. Fisher & Lucinda Fisher his wife -- Bourbon Co. Henry Talbott -- do [ditto] Mason Talbott -- Nicholas Co. Horace Trigg & Melvina Trigg his wife -- Bourbon Co. HEIRS OF HUGH TALBOTT DECD. [The above is the first actual proof that Margaret Talbott was the daughter of Hugh Talbott. It also gives data on her siblings; especially helpful is the location of the Waynes in Missouri and the sons of Augustine Talbott in Ohio]. -------- I then checked a Missouri census index, and got lucky: -- 1850 U.S. Census for Calloway County, Mo. Roll #393. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. p. 244. Dwelling and family #702. John W. Wayne, 58, farmer, value real-estate $1,000, b. Pa.; Elizabeth, 55, b. Ky.; Henry, 27, Ky.; Emerine, 19, Mo.; Benjamin, 17, Mo.; Paula (or Pamela, spelling unsure), 14; Amanda, 12, Mo. ---- I had almost nothing on the Wayne connection. What you have given helps. Many Bourbon Co. families went to the Missouri River counties. The Millers founded Millersburg, Mo. in Calloway Co. Bakers went there and farther north along the Mississippi. My mother's Collier family left Nicholas Co. later for Saline Co., Mo. I can send more on Hugh Talbott if you want. Ed Dolan. firstname.lastname@example.com =================================================================== Subject: Re: Pottawatomie County Lookup Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:48:17 -0800 From: "Forte Family" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.com> Hello Chris, Sorry it has taken me so long to answer , but with the Holidays and work and kids I try to get the lookups done as I can... My marriage Books skip around the dates that you are looking for. It looks like the only help I will be will be with information from the Cemetery Book. SO here is What I have found..... Early Tombstones in Fairview Cemetery Shawnee Oklahoma. Pg. 44 Block 5A ( south to north) Row 44. 1) "Mother" - Lester ( WAYNE) B. Sep 2, 1843 D. June 29, 1913 Also White marble block "Mother" 2) Virginia (WAYNE) --- NO DATES ----- 3) "Father" - (WAYNE) --- NO DATES ---- on 15-ft. family monument in center of plot is inscribed J.W. WAYNE B. Mar 9, 1859 D. July 14, 1934 4) Nellie C. (WAYNE ), his wife - B. Oct 6, 1863 D. Mar 7, 1912 " She was a kind and affectionate wife, a fond mother and a friend to all." Inscribed on south side of #3. 5) Della WAYNE - B. April 21, 1903 D. April 10, 1978 Inscribed on east side of #3. 6) Virginia V. ( WAYNE ) , daughter - B. Nov 20, 1906 D. Mar 5 1912 "Weep not, papa and brother for me for I am waiting in heaven for thee." Inscribed on #3 Also Masonic emblem, O.E.S. emblem, and dove. I do not live in Pottawatomie Co. .You might check with the Pottawatomie Co. Genealogy Club for information. Good Luck Brenda Harper Forte firstname.lastname@example.com Dos Palos, CA ---------- : From: Chris Wayne <firstname.lastname@example.com> : To: email@example.com : Subject: Pottawatomie County Lookup : Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 10:04 PM : : Hi Brenda, : : Got some lookups for you to do in Pottawatomie. I was born in Shawnee, : but the family moved when I was four. I think we were part of an : extened family - people I don't know and from time to time I may be : asking for help for info. I'll try to be as specific as possible. : There are currently two aunts living there. : : 1) marraige record for a John W Wayne and Nellie C. Lester about 1896. : 2) marraige record for a John W Wayne II and Della Kahanek in 192? : 3) marraige record for a Robert L Wayne and Patti-Sue Killingsworth : about 1955 : (my parents) : 4) marrige record for John W Wayne III and Jimmy ? : 5) marraige record for Joella Wayne and ? Carson : : 2-5 may be out of you area. If so, then don't worry about it. : : I don't know what will be to late for early tombstones, but I think the : following should be there (family plot): : Nellie C. Wayne ~191? : Virgina Wayne ~191? : John W Wayne ? : Della Wayne ~1972 : Jammie Wayne ~1996 : John W Wayne II Feb 1998 : : As far as history goes, just anything on Wayne. One of the families : we're related to in Shawnee, is the Ezra Estes family. He had a son : named Lee. I'm told that we are also related to the James/Daltons. I : have a hunch that it is through the Estes'. My grandfather (OB : Killingsworth) was friends with Jim Thorpe. OB's brother was a sheriff : and he was held hostage by Machine Gun Kelly? It's said they became : friends. My other grandfather (John W Wayne) owned several buildings on : the SW corner of Oklahoma and Main. Sonic Hamburgers got their start in : one of those buildings. My dad (Robert) grewup with L Gordo Cooper. I : "know" the history, I'm curious how it's written up and how much of it : is factual :-) : : If you can't help out with much, don't worry about. This is the first : time I've tried to write down this part of my family tree, so I'm kinda : rambling a bit. I'm starting to compose a letter for the okpottaw-l : maillist and a lot of this will end up there. : : thanks, : chris : : ===================================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] WAYNE Family Notes Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:02:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:17:26 -0800 From: Frank & Carol-Lynn Bevc <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Colleen's message was correct in one sense...there's very little traffic on the WAYNE Maillist. I've been researching the WAYNE Surname for about three years and have found a considerable amount of material on the ancestry of the Mad Anthony Wayne family, about 1620's Wayne's in tidewater Virginia and about a number of Wayne's emigrating as indentured servants. My focus is on identifying the ancestry of a John Wayne, who's 1831 Edgar County Illinois will noted four sons Benjamin, John, William and Temple as well as daughters Elizabeth Wayne Scott, Mary Wayne Miller and Lucy Wayne Martin. The will bequeathed land to the four sons. Benjamin is in my ancestry line, later moved to Grant County Wisconsin and his children later moved westward to Kansas and Missouri. Temple Wayne also moved on to Audrain County Missouri. Less is known about John and the will is uncertain as to William being alive in 1831. An 1879 History of Macoupin County Illinois includes the biography of Churchwell Wayne, a son of the Benjamin Wayne noted in the 1831 will. The biography states that John was born in Pennsylvania, later moved to Virginia, then Kentucky. It also incorrectly states that John was a brother to Mad Anthony Wayne and served as an officer under Washington. Even in the 1800's folks had a tendency to stretch things a bit. John and Benjamin Wayne names show up in Campbell County Virginia (inclucing the marriages of Elizabeth, Mary and Lucy) and Montgomery and Bourbon Counties in Kentucky. Of course any information on any of the Wayne family listed or on Wayne's in any of the locals noted would be appreciated Frank Bevc Orlando, Florida ============================================================== Subject: [Fwd: [WAYNE-L] EPHRAIM WAYNE] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:45:09 -0800 From: Frank & Carol-Lynn Bevc <email@example.com> To: email@example.com CC: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com In searching for WAYNE surname references I came across the following secondary citations for the name: Ephraim Wayne Wayne, Ephraim Montgomery County Kentucky Tax Records 1797-Book 1, (Miami Beach, Florida: TLC Genealogy, 1990),Page 19 1797: Wayne, Ephraim One white male over 21, 5 horses Wayne, Ephraim Montgomery County Kentucky Taxpayers 1797-1799, (Miami Beach, Florida: TLC Genealogy, 1990), Page 12 1797: Wayne, Ephraim Wayne, Ephraim Kentucky 1810 Census Index, (Provo, Utah: Precision Indexing Inc., 1978) Wayne, Ephraim, Madison County, Kentucky, p.237, 00101-00201-01 One male between 16 and 26, one male over 45, two females between 16 and 26 and one female over 45, one slave. Wayne, Ephraim Early Kentucky Tax Records, Ford, Carol Lee, (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1987) Page 209 Wayne, Ephraim, Montgomery County Tax List 1797, persons chargable with the tax, no taxable acres listed. Wain, Ephraim Second Census of Kentucky 1800, Clift, G. Glenn, (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1952) Page 311 Wain, Ephraim, Madison County, August 12, 1800 Tax List Record Date Wayne, Ephriam: Kentucky Pioneers and their Descendents, (Kentucky Society of the Daughters of Colonial Wars, 1941-50, Robert's Printing: Frankfort, Kentucky, 1950) Montgomery County Kentucky Tax Lists, 1797, Page 209 Wayne, Ephriam, 60 acres It appears that you may already have most of these references, but if not I hope they're helpful. They certainly point to an Ephraim Wayne having lived in Kentucky between 1797 to around at least 1810. If I come across any other info I'll post it also. Frank Bevc Orlando Subject: [WAYNE-L] EPHRAIM WAYNE Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:00:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:02:16 -0600 From: "CHRIS DOEHRING" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com My GGGGGrandfather was Ephraim Wayne. His name is on the Chester Co. Pa. tax list in 1780. It then appears on the Philadelphia tax list for supplies in 1782. He then shows up in Madison Co. Ky.on the 1800 census and owns 62 acres of land. He, son William L., and grandson, Archibald Hill Wayne then moved to Audrain Co. Mo.in and around 1817. They made trips back and forth to Kentucky . I found an Ephraim Wayne on the 1850 census in Talbott Co.,Ga. He was 68 and listed Maryland as his place of birth. I am looking for any earlier dated information on Ephraim. Thanks, Barbara Doehring ================================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] Churchwell and Sarah Jane Wayne/Wain 1850 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:47:19 -0700 From: "Gerald L. Bolles" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com On 31 May 99, at 11:13, charla hyam wrote: > I have great-great-great grandparents named Churchwell and Sarah Jane > Wayne. They came from Kentucky to Macoupin, County IL prior to 1850. The > 1850 census spells the last name "Wayne", but the 1860 census spells it > "Wain". They had seven children, all born in IL: William, Issac, > Victoria, Sarah Jane, Marian, Silas, and Frances. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. Charla Hyam > Charla, I am not sure if I can help you but I have a Sarah Jane Wayne that I have been researching. However, I have her born 14 Mar 1843 in Coles Co., IL. She married a Chester Robert Pratt and apparently removed to the Boscobel area of WI. Any thoughts? Jerry Gerald L. Bolles, P.E. 6814 W. Burchwood Avenue Nine Mile Falls, WA 99026 (N.W. of Spokane) 509-466-5905 Web Home Page URL: http://www.iea.com/~gbolles (Family Tree over 3500 entries) E-Mail: email@example.com ______________________________________________________ Bolles Family Association Web Page URL: http://www.genweb.net/~bollesfamassoc =============================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] WAYNE, John, 1790, Lancaster & Westmoreland Cos., PA; 1860, Adams & Macon Cos., IL Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:38:42 -0800 From: "Greg Baxter" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: <email@example.com> John (Johannes) Wayne and Elizabeth Huber were married at Trinity Lutheran Church in Lancaster, PA on March 14, 1809. Sons Jacob (born June 19, 1809) and John (Johannes) Jr. (born Oct. 19, 1810) were baptized at Trinity Lutheran Church on Jan. 1, 1811. Son Abraham was born May 16, 1814, possibly in Marrietta, Lancaster Co., PA. Daughter Elizabeth, born June 11, 1816, possibly in Marietta, Lancaster Co., PA was married to Isaac Hollinger on Nov. 2, 1837 in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA. Son David was born May 10, 1822 in Lancaster Co., PA. John and Elizabeth Wayne were divorced on August 21, 1827. Son Jacob, and perhaps John Jr. later lived in Westmoreland Co., PA. Jacob Wayne married Frances Clark. They were in Westmoreland Co., PA as of the 1850 census. Their children were Annie, Abraham, Maggie, John, Jacob, Simon Peter, William, Alice, Alexander, Caleb, and Alpina. Jacob Wayne and family were living in Quincy, Adams Co., IL as of the 1860 census. His widow, Frances Wayne and some of the children were living in Quincy, Adams Co., IL as of the 1870 census. By the 1880 census, widow Frances was living with son William J. Wayne and family in Decatur, Macon Co., IL. ============================================================= Subject: Re: 1-016 (Wayne) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:47:24 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com I'm afraid I have no Judiths married to my Waynes -- good luck! Christy ============================================================== Subject: Re: [WAYNE-L] "Mad" Anthony WAYNE Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:14:27 -0000 From: "Helen in Pa." <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hi, you might try http://www.geocities.com/~hsdurbin and go to the second page and follow the Wayne links. Sincerely, Helen in Pa. =============================================================== Subject: Re: [MORAVIA-L] Celadna & Nada Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:44:22 +0100 From: "Ing. Felix Gundacker" <email@example.com> Organization: Netway AG To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2 Dear Chris! Celadna, former CZELADNA, now Celadna (with a ^ on the C), is located south of Ostrava. 1880: 310 houses, a population of 2344 (1135 men), katholic: 2307, 22 protestants 15 jews. all spoke czech. Records (vital statistics) begin 1771, and are located in the archives of Opava. Best regards, Felix Gundacker IHFF Genealogie Gesellschaft mbH A-1190 WIEN, Pantzergasse 30/8 Tel = 011 43 1 369 97 29 Fax = 011 43 1 369 97 30 email: <firstname.lastname@example.com> <http://www.netway.at/ihff/index.htm/> new books: <http://www.netway.at/ihff/werbe.html/> Chris Wayne schrieb: > I am looking for the location (map?) of Celadna, Moravia and Nada, Moravia(??). > Do they exist today? What was the population in the 1880s? What was the make > up of the population? What were the types of industry? etc., etc.? History? > Did the Mongol Hordes ever enter these two places? What were the reasons for > immigration? > > thanks, > chris ==================================================================== Subject: [KYBOURBO-L] Distillery at Ruddles Mills Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:06:27 EDT From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Dear Bob In your research on distilleries in Bourbon county did you find anything on William or Samuel Fisher owning a distillery in Ruddles Mills 1810 - 1843 on the Licking River. William also owned a Woolen Factory there. Thanks for your help Alan email@example.com WM. H. FISHER, farmer; born Nov. 12, 1829, in Ruddel's Mills Precinct; eldest child of Samuel and Lucinda (Talbott) Fisher. Samuel Fisher was born in Lexington, Fayette Co., in 1809; son of William; a native of Delaware, and came to Kentucky about the year 1800, located in Fayette, afterward locating in Ruddel's Mills Precinct about the year 1810, and established a woolen factor; he afterward engaged in farming, which he followed until his death, which occurred in 1835. Eight children were born to him, who grew up: James, Margaret, Samuel, Mrs. Bowman, John Amanda, Hannah and Maddox. James and Samuel settled in Bourbon; Margaret married a Sutton and moved to Indiana; John settled in Missouri; Amanda, Maddox and Hannah died young; Mrs. Bowman settled in Harrison County; Samuel, the father of our subject, engaged in farming; he succeeded his father in the distillery business, which he ran until 1843; when he located in Paris Precinct, on the farm owned by William, his son, situated on the Flat Rock Pike; the farm is called the McClure place; he died here March 18, 1848--death occasioned by the kick of a mule; he was a member of the Reformed Church; his wife, Lucinda Talbott, was a daughter of Hugh and Elizabeth (Carter) Talbott; Henry Talbott, the father of Hugh, emigrated from Hanover County, Va., to Bourbon County, about the year 1789; Hugh was for several years a merchant at Ruddel's Mills; he died in 1832. To Samuel Fisher and wife were born two children: William H., and Susan, who married Charles Nolcini; she died February, 1860; leaving one child, William; Wm. H. was raised a farmer; Dec. 13, 1866, he married Emily Peck, who was born in Fleming County, Ky., daughter of William and Louisa (Stevens) Peck; Louisa was born Sept. 7, 1813, in Fleming County, on Locust Creek; daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth (Weaver) Stevens; he was born December, 1767, in Loudon [sic] County, Va.; his wife 1769, and were married 1788, and removed to Fayette County, where they settled; William was a son of William Peck, of Mason County, Ky.; the former died Dec. 10, 1875. The religion of the Stevens was old Baptist; and the Pecks were Methodists; both families were Whigs. Mr. Fisher has 220 acres of land--the farm called Wood Brook; he has two children: Wm. Peck and Nebilla; he raises short horns; is a member of the Presbyterian Church G.S.A. Fisher Talbott Sutton Carter Nolcini Peck Stevens Peck Weaver ========================================================== Subject: Re: [Missouri-L] Cemetery listings Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:24:22 -0700 From: Janis <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2 None in Pike County. In Boone County: Riggs Cemetery in Riggs MO Wayne: Anthony 6/16/1843 - Mary E. 6/11/1845 - 2/4/1911 Ollie May dau of A & M E died 2/15/1882 age 5 yr 4 mo 3 day That's all of the Waynes (etc.) that I have listed. Janis Chris Wayne wrote: > > Janis wrote: > > > I'll add to it all... >> > > I have cemetery listings for Boone County MO and Pike County MO > > Do you have anything for Ephraim, Eleanor and William L Wayne? Well, any > W[h]ayne or Wain[e]? > > thanks, > chris ============================================================= Subject: Wayne Family Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:33:05 +0000 From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: email@example.com CC: firstname.lastname@example.com Hello Chris - Thank you for your letter. I'll try to answer all your questions. John Wayne b 1752 in Pa. m Mary _____(we're still trying to establish Mary's last name and the parents of John) One thing we do know is that it's not Mad Anthony as many would like to claim. Another researcher that I've worked with believes that they lived in King & Queen Co. Va. and also possibly Frederick Co. Va. prior to moving to Campbell Co. Va. I tried to check the records of King & Queen Co. last Sept when I was working in the LDS Family History Center in Salt Lake City and discovered that the Court House had burned. Another researcher I know is working on Frederick Co. Va. John & Mary Wayne had 4 sons and 3 daughters. 1. Benjamin Franklin Wayne b 1774 m Nancy Ann Tankersley 11 Apr 1801 - Campbell Co. Va.(my ancestors) he d 1838 Edgar Co. Ill. 2. Elizabeth m 18 Dec 1804 in Campbell Co. Va. to Matthias Scott. 3. Mary b 1791 - King & Queen Co. Va. m James M Miller. 4. Temple b 1798 Va m lst- 17 June 1821 Lorinda Peyton in Bourbon Co. Ky. 2nd marriage was in Audrain Co. Mo. 5. John Jr. m 7 Mar 1818 Bourbon Co. Ky. to Betsey Talbot. 6. William m Judith Lawrence. 7 Lucy m _______Martin. They spelled their name Wayne, sometimes Whayne and Wain. The above children may not be listed according to birth dates. John Wayne, Sr. d. Jan or Feb 1832 Mary D 6 June 1836 in Edgar Co. Ill. I fully believe that although no markers can be found, that they are buried in what was known at that time as Catfish Point Cemetery (now known as Milburn) because this cemetery was on or adjacent to the land owned by John Sr. In John's will he mentions all his children including William. Then further on the will states "it's not known whether William Whayne is dead or living, if the said William Whayne should never apply for his part of the before-described lands, it shall fall to Mary Miller and her heirs--". So apparently William was estranged (or at least lost) from the family at that time. The research on the Wayne-Whayne Family has been extremely frustrating because of so many errors and facts that were not proven out. Some errors can be attributed to some of the DAR records. I sincerely hope that I've been of some help to you. Jim Subject: Wayne Family Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:09:46 +0000 From: email@example.com To: email@example.com CC: firstname.lastname@example.com Hello Chris! Got your letter and will not be able to answer all your questions at once. There may be some that I won't be able to answer at all. I've started going through my huge files on the Wayne Family. I've been collection info for 25 years. The most productive was from Evelyn Moore of Lawrence, Ka. She had gotten my address from a researcher in Edgar Co. Il. in 1995. We corresponded for several years. She had a serious illness and was forced to retire from work. I've tried several times to contact her, without results. I fear the worst. She was really into her Wayne research and just happened to be from the same line as mine. She hired researchers from all over to research for her. She sent me a copy of a letter from her researcher in Va. It contained the following info - John WAYN was first listed in the Campbell County personal property tax list in 1786. In 1782, a John Wayne was listed in King & Queen Co. Campbell Co. Deed Book 1784-1790 shows that John Wayne was deeded 200 acres on Little Whipping Creek in 1789 by Thomas and Elizabeth Smith. Campbell Co. deed Book 7, page 289, shows that he sold this land in 1805: John Wayn and his wife Mary Wayn of Campbell Co. convey to John Poindexter in consideration of L70 paid by sd. Poindexter on Little Whipping Creek and containing 237 acres. dated 22 Nov 1805. John Wayn was not listed in the Campbell Co.land tax or personal property tax records after 1805, so it seems likely that he went to Ky at that time. She further states that the 1810 census of Ky shows Benjamin and John Wain in Montgomery Co. in 1810. Matthew Scott was also listed Montgomery Co. as a close neighbor of John Wain. According to my reference book Bourbon County was formed in 1786. Clark Co. was formed in 1793 from Bourbon Co. and Fayette Co. In 1797 Montgomery Co. was formed from Clark Co. From some other source, which I haven't come across as yet, I found that the Waynes had a problem getting their land title cleared, and from what I recall they never did own this land. There was a considerable number of errors in the land records not only for the Waynes but for many others. I am what they call a Winter Texan. My wife and I spend our winters in S. Texas and return to Wis about Apr l in hopes that the miserable weather in Wis has warmed up. Fortunately I have most, if not all my Wayne Family files with me I will send more later. Hope you have a Happy and Wonderful Thanksgiving. Best Regards Jim Subject: Re: Wayne Family Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:14:51 +0000 From: email@example.com To: email@example.com References: 1,2 Hello Chris: Received your letter and don't have anything on John. I think you are referring to the John who married Betsey Talbot. Am I correct? What part of Calloway County did you trace your family back to? I have a lot of info on Temple Wayne and he moved to Audrain Co. He must have lived in the very southern part of that County, because when his first wife died he buried her 2 miles over the line in Calloway Co. There were other Wayne's who moved to that area including Audrain, Boone and Calloway Counties. I've just sent an email to two of my email buddies, who are also working the Wayne Family. Don't ever give up on this Family History business. I've worked for 30 years trying to get my gggrandfather Abraham Carnes back from Augusta County Va. to North Ireland where he was born. To date - no luck. Best regards Jim Subject: Wayne Family Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:32:10 +0000 From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: email@example.com CC: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com Hello Again! In going through the material that I received from Evelyne Moore I found the following, and I quote. "I wrote to Orval Woodward and within ten days received so much information that I've been busy ever since following up on the many names he gave me, which enabled me to discover new names. Since Orval's lineage may be linked to ours, I will include that. He can prove his lineage as far back as Nathaniel Wayne, who sources say was the great grandson of Francis Wayne, uncle of our "Mad Anthony"Wayne. He is very CAUTIOUS about stating any positive relationship before Nathaniel, saying "if these sources could be proven accurate." Orval gives the following list as possible ancestors: Francis Wayne, b. 1690 - Son John Wayne b. 1725 - His son Ephraim Wayne, b. 1755, Nathaniel Wayne, b. 1788-1780. Orval sent me a letter which he received in 1985 from an A. Joyce Brown of Edgar County, Illinois (comment by Jim - Joyce was also my researcher) in which she quotes from an abstract that showed the father of our great grandmother, Lucy, (Evelyne's) to be Benjamin Wayne who was born in 1774 and his father to be John Whayne (Wayne) born in 1752. Joyce is listed in the land records of Edgar County as a compiler of probate records and will indexes. Now, of course the big question we're all hoping to find the answer to is: how was our great great grandfather Benjamin Wayne and his father John related to Mad Anthony Wayne? Orval hypothesizes that Benjamin and Orval's great great great grandfather (3rd great) grandfather, Nathaniel Wayne, were either first cousins or brothers. He bases his judgement on the fact that in the records they are shown to have been always together, first in Virginia, then in Kentucky, and finally in Edgar County. Ill. Nathaniel and Benjamin were also nearly the same age, Nathaniel b in 1778-80 and Benjamin in 1774. Also, after Benjamin's death in 1839, his widow and four of his children followed Nathaniel to Wis to live. A brother of Benjamin, Temple Wayne, left Ill to live in the same county in Missouri where Nathaniel's brother was living, and adjoining a county where Nathaniel's father had lived. Orval says, "It seems impossible that these two Wayne families could be so closely associated in so many places over so long a time and not been related." Some new information may explode this hypothesis, but based on what we know now I know of nothing to conflict with it. It is a guess, but I believe a logical one." (End of Evelyne's quote) I guess I feel that she is on the right track, in that our John Wayne and Ephriam were brothers and sons of John Wayne b 1725 and wife Sarah Evans. I was aware of Nathaniel and Benjamin both living in Edgar Co. and not too far apart. In a Edgar County Historical collection Nathaniel claimed no relationship to Benjamin. (Perhaps because Benjamin was a great stretcher of the truth) I am aware of the descendants of Nathaniel coming to Grant County, Wisconsin. They settled in the northern part and then moved across the Wis River to Crawford and Richland Counties. If only I could get in touch with Evelyne to see what further info she might have. I have tried for the past two years, but unable to reach her. At time of our correspondence, she had been very ill and I fear the worst. She had kept me posted regularly until all of a sudden no letters. I guess its up to us to try and prove the above comments. With best regards Jim ==================================================================== Subject: Re: Wayne lookup Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:39:31 -0600 From: Jim Jenkins <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2,3 Chris Wayne wrote: > > Jim Jenkins wrote: > > > I don't have much information from the mid-1800's. Most of my reference > > books are newspaper clippings that didn't start until the 1880's. The > > only WAYNE I find is Laura WAYNE who was 20 in 1895. She committed > > suicide south of Urich. Probably not connected with your family. I > > checked "History of Henry County" with no success. It was published in > > 1919 though and if a family wasn't long time residents of the county, > > there was little or no reference to the mid 1800's. >> > > If you are interested in the writeup on Laura WAYNE's death, let me > > know. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. > > Yes I am. Even if she isn't directly related, some other Wayne may want > to know about her. More than likely, she is related. I think that the only > Wayne family in the area was mine. My great grandfather settled in Shawnee > Ok, in 1895 - I wonder if there is a connection? I was hoping that you had > easy access to the 1870 - 1920 Census books. My next step is to go to the > LDS library, but this will take at least a month. > > Do you have anything on Alexander & Susan Williams or John & Emma Bowdon > (or bowdoin)? These are probably more in Bates Co., but it seems like there > was some overlap. Was there anything that made Henry and Bates counties > appealing to settle in, in the 1850's? I'm curious to find out if there was > more between Alexander and John than being brother-in-laws. > > Every little bit helps. That little tidbit you have, may be the key that > someone else needs to unlock a lot of mysteries. I just recently had this > happen on a couple of things. > > thanks, > chris Good Morning Chris, >From "Annals of Henry County", vol. I, To 1900, compiled by Kathleen White Miles, pub. Fall, 1973 by The Printery in Clinton, Missouri, p. 222, from a newspaper published May 11, 1895. "Laura Wayne, a young lady of about 20, committed suicide by hanging last Friday at H. T. Mullin's south of Urich. No reason can be assigned for the rash act. Her remains were buried in Mullin's graveyard Saturday." Mullin's Cemetery still exists south of Urich. I have several relatives buried there. It may have started as a family cemetery, but others are also buried there. Just didn't want you to make an assumption that Laura Wayne was in the Mullins family just from the cemetery information. The fact that she died on H. T. Mullin's property may tie her to the family though. I have the census microfilm and used to do lookups for the USGenWeb. I had to stop though because in March, our church secretary resigned and I have been filling in on a volunteer basis. I just didn't have enough hours available to do the census searches because it takes so long to do each one. It would take between 8 and 12 hours to search 1870 through 1920. I can find no references to the surname BOWDON/BOWDOIN, etc. WILLIAMS was and is a very popular surname in Henry County. There are 116 WILLIAMS buried in Englewood Cemetery; however, I can find no Alexander or Susan WILLIAMS anyplace. Bates and Henry Counties have similar topography, fairly flat and very good farm land. In the 1850's, it was kind of the western edge of civilization (if you could call it that). The migration from Henry to Bates was common. In fact, my JENKINS ancestors moved from Henry to Bates and my dad was born in Bates County in 1906 and lived there until returning to Clinton in the early 1930's. I do have the "History of Bates County" and checked for WILLIAMS and BOWDON/BOWDOIN. There is a biography for John H. BOWDEN who married Emarine WAYNE 11 Oct 1854 in Callaway County. If you don't have it, I will be happy to send it to you. Jim <firstname.lastname@example.com> ================================================================== Subject: Re: Wayne lookup Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:39:58 -0600 From: Jim Jenkins <email@example.com> To: email@example.com References: 1,2,3,4,5 Good Morning Chris, I have the census microfilm for selected counties - those that I had ancestors living for several years. In Missouri, I have Henry, Johnson, Bates and Pike counties. I have all years except 1920. I have not purchased that one. 1910 was so long and such poor quality that I kind of got soured on that one. The 1910 census is at least 10-20 percent unreadable. That gets very frustrating when doing a line by line search. Unfortunately Flavia was not an extremely rare name in those days. I have several relations named Flavia. The following is from "The History of Cass and Bates Counties, Missouri", pub. 1883 by National Historical Co., St. Joseph, Mo., p. 1242. "John H. Bowden is among the prominent farmers and stock men of Bates County. He is a native of North Carolina, and was born in Caswell County, February 22, 1830. Benjamin Bowden, his father, was a native of North Carolina, where he grew to manhood and married Miss Anna Combs, also of that state. John H. moved with his father to Missouri in the spring of 1843, and located in Callaway County. He spent his early days on a farm, obtaining his education principally through his own efforts. In the spring of 1850, in company with Captain McCulloch and others, he made the trip overland to California, where they arrived in July. After passing about two years in the gold mines prospecting and mining, he returned to Missouri in the fall of 1852. Mr. Bowden was married in Callaway County, October 11, 1854, to Miss Emarine Wayne, a daughter of John W. Wayne. She is a native of Callaway County, where she was raised and educated. Directly after this event he came to Bates County, purchased land and improved his present farm. He has 700 acres, 400 acres in his home place, all fenced and improved, upon which is a fair house and barn and a good orchard, with 300 apple trees and an abundance of peach, etc. He resides on section 24, and is quite extensively engaged in feeding and handling stock. Mr. and Mrs. Bowden have seven children: Margara R., a teacher in the Butler school; Georgia Ann (now Mrs. William Herrel); Elizabeth W. (now Mrs. John Allison); Susie E., Ella, Charles P. and Emma J. Mr. B. is a member of the M. E. Church and his wife of the Christian Church." >From this, it would appear that they came directly to Bates County and didn't stop in Henry. There's a lot of good information here if you didn't have it before. Hope it help. Jim <email@example.com> ================================================================ Subject: Re: [WAYNE-L] Purpose of List :) Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:53:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:00:25 -0500 From: "John & Nancy Hendricks in Barefoot Bay, Florida" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: email@example.com References: 1 Vicki Lindsay wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I'd like to remind people that this mailing list is for the WAYNE surname. > Please post your WAYNE information. You never know who you will meet... > Thank you, > Vicki Lindsay > Temporary WAYNE-L Listowner > email@example.com __________________________________________________________________ To All WAYNE Researchers, My WAYNE connection is as shown below: John Wayne, b 4 Feb 1799, d 14 Mar 1858 Lower Augusta Twp., North'd Co., PA. sp-Isabel Brady, b 2 Mar 1802, d 19 Oct 1870 Lower August Twp., North'd Co., PA. George B. Wayne, b 28 Sep 1828, d 16 May 1896 at Fisher's Ferry, North'd Co. PA sp-Emma ?, d before Dec 1882 at Fisher's Ferry, North'd Co., PA. George Hiram Wayne, b 29 Jul 1870, d 24 Jul 1954 at Sunbury, PA. *sp-Amelia Estella Heim, b 1868, m aft Jun 1888 Ida Ameda Heim, b 13 Jun 1888, d 28 Jan 1942 at Sunbury, PA. sp-Horatio Elmer Shipman, b 1 Oct 1880, d 18 Mar 1909 Edna Maude Shipman, b 22 Jun 1909, d 10 Feb 1970 John Imanuel Hendricks, b 31 Jan 1910, d 4 Aug 1977 John Shipman Hendricks, b 7 Apr 1931 Nancy Joy Smith, b 2 May 1934 *The birth of Ida Ameda HEIM occurred prior to the marriage of the apparent parents (George Hiram Wayne and Amelia Estella Heim) and as a result Ida Ameda carried the HEIM surname as her maiden name throughout her life. Both her marriage license application and her death certificate listed George Hiram and Amelia Estalla as her father and mother. Good hunting, John Shipman Hendricks Researching: Bogar-Campbell-Dunkelberger-Everett-Ferster-Fisher-Godschalck-Heim Hendricks-Klingemann-Liebenguth-Lytle-McKinney-Minegar-Moll-Musser Neese-Reitz-Reichelderfer-Sampsel-Shipman-Stetler-Wayne-Zettlemoyer ================================================================== Subject: WAYNE in Derbyshire Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:07:22 +0000 From: John Palmer <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hello Chris, At 15:42 11/11/98 -0700, you wrote: > Thanks for the information, however, it was not "Mad" Anthony that I am >looking for. If I was vague, I apologize. It is Norton Hall that I want to know >more about and the Wayne line in general in Derbyshire. I know the Wayne line may >be harder to find info on, but certainly, the Nortons (being royalty??) should >have left some marks of who they where. Just to remind you that you can browse through about 200 indexed WAYNEs from Derbyshire on http://www.lds.co.uk/wirksworth Best wishes, John Palmer, Dorset, England ===================================================================== Subject: RE: Callaway Co. Waynes from prior to 1830 on Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:22:39 -0500 From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Keith Chilton) To: <firstname.lastname@example.com> Chris, I found no Wayne family listing in the Callaway Co history books which were published in 1880's. The 1850 census had the following- family #707 Wayne, John W. 58 male b. in PA Wayne, Elizabeth 55 female b. in KY Wayne, Thomas 27 male b. in KY Wayne, Emerine 19 female b. in MO Wayne, Benjamin 17 male b. in MO Wayne, Paralee 14 female b. in MO Wayne, Amanda 12 female b. in MO I couldn't find any Wayne's in the 1860 census book. The orginal land entry book had the following John W. Wayne bought land Nov 5, 1824 in SW quarter of township 47 North Range 10 West section 28 Marriage record book had the following- William J. Wayne to Elizabeth A. Bishop 3 Nov 1870 Temple Wayne to Elizabeth Gregg 12 Mar 1835 Joshua Wayne to Jane Straw 17 Oct 1848 Erminie Wayne to John Bowdoin (possibly Bowden) 11 Oct 1854 Elizabeth J. Wayne to Thomas W. Ferguson 22 June 1870 Mrs. Jane Wayne to George Green 16 Apr 1861 Matilda Wayne to ??? (she was listed in index but couldn't find her on page) Roberta G. Wayne to Anderson J. Baker 13 Aug 1839 Susan Wayne to Alexander Williams 19 Dec 1848 Zerilda Wayne to James Pace 24 Mar 1836 Under Death notices was the following- Temple Wayne age 71 d. 20 Apr 1895 in the Auxvasse Review James H. Wayne age 73 d. 20 Feb 1906 in the Callaway Weekly Gazette Mrs. John T. Wayne d. 14 Feb 1902 in the Auxvasse Review John Wayne age 72 d. 27 Apr 1909 in the Montgomery City Standard. Hope this helps, Julie > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wayne [mailto:email@example.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 11:11 PM > To: email@example.com > Subject: Callaway Co. Waynes from prior to 1830 on > > > This is my first post here, so I'll just request any and all info you > may have for Waynes or any of the variations (Wain, Wayn, Waine, etc.) > and related families. My g-grandfather was born in Callaway Co., my > gg-grandfather was born in Ky but grewup in Callaway Co.and my > ggg-grandfather was born in PA, grewup in Ky and settled in Callaway > Co. if you go to http://www.nmia.com/~cwayne/genealogy/Missouri.doc and > Kentucky.doc, you can see what I have. These documents are in word97. > If you can't read these, Email me and I'll sent them to you in txt > format. > > thanks, > chris > =========================================================== Subject: RE: Callaway Query Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:23:15 -0600 From: email@example.com (Keith Chilton) To: <email@example.com> Unfortunately at the library there was no reference that told me where this is. I at one time saw a reference that told me but I think it was at the HIstorical society in Columbia, MO. Unfortunately i don't get there often enough. I also believe there is a book out that I have seen in the past that outline districts and townships per census year for the entire US.. I can't remember if it when into specific counties. But the next time you are where they have census you may give it a look. I know I state archives has a copy but again I haven't been able to get there in a while. Julie > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wayne [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:30 PM > To: firstname.lastname@example.com > Subject: Callaway Query > > > Need physical description (location & boundaries) of District 12 from > the 1850 census. > > Thanks, > chris > =========================================================== Subject: RE: Callaway Co. researcher for Wayne Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:25:19 -0600 From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Keith Chilton) To: <email@example.com> It's been awhile but I found a map at the historical society in Columbia that pointed out where the 12th district was but I at the time didn't pay close enough attention. If I ever get a chance to get back there I will have to look it up. I believe the numbered districts were more the outlying areas of the county, They being less populated. townships got their names the more populated they became. Some even were divided in half with half retaining it's original name and the other have given a new name, I know the township in which I live now went through at least 2 or 3 name changes. If all your Wayne info is on your website it would probably be easiest to give you email and web address under the surname pages. Those names stay there unless I find out that the address becomes outdates, ie: you change web address' and I am not informed. I try to once a year check email address to see if they are still valid. Julie > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wayne [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.com] > Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 12:18 AM > To: email@example.com > Subject: Callaway Co. researcher for Wayne > > > Julie, > > The attached file is most of what I have on my Wayne line. It is still > a work in progress. Please look through it. give me some feedback. If > you think it is worthy, please add me to your "Callaway County Lookups > Page", "Callaway County Surnames and their Researchers" or "Callaway > County History Page", which ever one is appropriate. My web page has > this document on it: http://www.nmia.com/~cwayne/genealogy/Wayne.txt or > Wayne.doc (word97). > > thanks, > chris > > BTW, I looked up the map reference you gave me : > > "The orginal land entry book had the following > John W. Wayne bought land Nov 5, 1824 in SW quarter of township 47 > North > Range 10 West section 28" > > I made a copy of the Guthrie Quadrangle and found the section. It's > about two miles southwest of the Fulton Municipal Airport, around the > Carrington Pits Picnic Area. It appears to be in the Round Prairie > TWP. The 1840 Census has John living in the Nine Mile Prairie TWP > (approximately two Quadrangles to the east). I don't know what to make > of this? There are several possibilities. The 1850 Census has John > living in the 12th District. Do you know where the boundaries of this > district lie? > ================================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] RE: WAINE/ WAYNE families of NY -1700s Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:32:08 -0700 From: "Laura Greene" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Does anyone have any information re: the Anthony WAINE or WAYNE (b. in Derbyshire England) family that settled in New Scotland, Albany County, NY in the 1700s and was a revolutioniary war soldier? He had several sons, including a GEORGE WAYNE and probably a JAMES WAINE (Wayne). Anthony was a cousin of General "Mad" Anthony Wayne - they shared the same grandfather (Capt. Anthony Waine/Wayne) according to several history books. Anthony Waine was married to Sarah Johnson. Thanks for any info you are willing to sahre on this family. Laura Greene Carlsbad, CA ================================================================ Subject: [WAYNE-L] Wayne/Duncan Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:19:25 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.com (M J Buck) To: firstname.lastname@example.com I am looking for information on Elizabeth Wayne, b. 1 may 1794 - probably in Kentucky but possibly in Pennsylvania. She died 23 Sep 1880 in Taylor Co., Iowa. She was married 5 July 1813 in Herrodsburg, Bourbon Co., Kentucky to John Duncan. Their children: unknown male b. bet. 1810/20 Judith Ann Duncan b. 4 Aug 1814 in Mercer Co., Kentucky Ann Duncan b. abt 1821 in Kentucky Thomas Roger Duncan b. 10 Oct 1821 Kentucky John Wayne Duncan b. 22 Feb 1824 in Calloway Co., Missouri Alexander Duncan b. 5 Jul 1826 Calloway Co., Missouri Daniel Duncan b. 10 Oct 1828 Calloway Co., Missouri Mary Elizabeth Duncan b. 8 Jun 1831 Calloway Co., Missouri William Duncan b. 1 Sep 1835 Calloway Co., Missouri I have no idea who Elizabeth's parents were. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, M.J. Buck firstname.lastname@example.com ============================================================ Subject: [WAYNE-L] William Whayne Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:55:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:58:04 EST From: email@example.com To: email@example.com William Whayne was in King & Queen Co VA before the Revolution. He appears to have been married to Sarah. His son (Isaac), his daughter (Elizabeth Whayne Simcoe) and a Sarah Whayne were in Jefferson Co, KY before 1813. In 1787 Personal Property Tax for King & Queen there was the est of Tabatha Whayne plue a charles, Benja, William. They seem to be connected to Prewitts and Jefferies. Family tradition says they are related to Anthony Wayne. Any information is appreciated. =========================================================== Subject: Re: Signed Guestbook Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:19:31 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com In a message dated 98-12-27 03:55:00 EST, you write: << Hi Mark, I was reading the guestbook for the Legion Ville website and ran across you query about Waynes. I was wondering if you have recieved anything yet? I'm trying to trace my line back to Anthony as well, but I've hit a brick wall. Unlike you, I know we are, it's just a matter of finding that one missing link. thanks, chris >> I never heard a thing, Chris. What info do you have on Mad Anthony's descendents?..... Coincidentally, my brother's name is CHRIS! Mark ================================================================ Subject: [WAYNE-L] Wayne, Mary Martha b. ca 1865, PA or MD Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:11:53 -0400 From: "Michael L. Wayne" <email@example.com> Organization: Pahel-Wayne To: firstname.lastname@example.com Haven't posted for awhile so here goes -- Looking for parents of Mary Martha Wayne, b. abt 1865 in either eastern PA or northern MD. Had a son Ernest Alfred out-of-wedlock in 1882 in MD (county UNK). Mary later married Mr. Torbert/Tolbert and had two daughters Clara & Margaret. Ernie m. Rose Elizabeth Ward and settled in York Co., PA. Anybody have a connection to Mary Martha? Thanks. Michael ================================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] Wayne, Mary Martha; MD/PA; 1860s Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:51:33 -0400 From: "Michael L. Wayne" <email@example.com> Organization: Pahel-Wayne To: firstname.lastname@example.com Haven't posted for some time (actually thought the list was defunct until yesterday's posting). Mary Martha WAYNE gave birth in (probably northern) MD in 1882 to a son, Ernest Alfred WAYNE. Mary was unwed at the time of Ernie's birth. Mary later married a man whose surname was Torbert and had two daughters -- Clara & Margaret. Ernie married Rose Elizabeth Ward (d/o James & Mary Myers Ward)about 1910 and they settled in Chanceford Twp, York Co, PA. They had nine children, all of whom resided in York Co. Ernie died in 1969 in Red Lion, York Co. Have talked to the elders of the family -- was like pulling teeth. Had to get Mary's name from Ernie's death cert. I'm guessing Mary's DOB to be mid 1860s. Do not know if she lived in MD or was sent there to have her child. Checked with MD records -- they said before 1910 or so, need to check church records. Family says these people were not church goers. Any ideas? I could use all the help I can get on this line. Thanks. Michael ============================================================= Subject: [WAYNE-L] WAYNE family, 1880, Harford Co, MD Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:32:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:43:28 -0500 From: Michal <email@example.com> Organization: Pahel-Wayne To: email@example.com Looking for ancestors/descendants of this WAYNE family found in the 1880 4th dist Hardford Co., MD census. Thomas, 30 Lorana, 40 Mary M., 20 Hannah, 18 (?) next house: Mary Ann Wayne, 62 Sarah Ann Clark, 37, daughter James Clark, 4, grandson Mart Ann, 1, grandaughter Josiah Wayne, 37, son A. Elizabeth Wayne, 42, daughter Is Mary Ann the mother of the children in both households? Are the four in the household headed by Thomas siblings? Is Mary M. Wayne, age 20, the same Mary Martha Wayne who later married John W. Torbert and moved to York Co, PA? Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Michael =============================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] WAYNE, Thomas, b. ca 1800, York Co, PA> Harford Co, MD Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:07:33 -0500 From: Michal <email@example.com> Organization: Pahel-Wayne To: email@example.com Looking for info on this man. 1850 census shows age 45, living in York Co, PA. 1870, age 60, living in Harford Co, MD; 1880, age 80, Harford Co. Wife's name -- Mary, several children, spanning 1838-1862 (still trying to sort them. Thanks for any help. Michael mailto:firstname.lastname@example.com ============================================================= Subject: FW: Legion Ville Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:06:32 -0500 From: Patrick Riley <email@example.com> To: "'email@example.com'" <firstname.lastname@example.com> CC: "'email@example.com'" <email@example.com> Chris, I'll send an e-mail when I get back. Rathdrum is a small suburb town just south of Dublin. I want to find the family home if possible. I am also working with public officials to place a plaque at the place. I will also be going to Chesterfield. The best place to find addresses for Santorum and Specter are on the net. Type in Senator Rick Santorum or Senator Arlen Specter in Yahoo or Alta Vista search engine. Let me know if you have any problems. Also you may want to scroll through our guestbook as many Wayne descendants have signed our guestbook. At some point in time I would highly recommend contacting Waynesboro at (610) 647-1779 about Wayne. Tell them who you are and that you would like to speak with the lady that has done all the genealogy on Wayne. Postal address is Waynesborough 2049 Waynesborough, Paoli, PA. You can get Zip. The fellow named Stroud who signed our guestbook also has an extensive genealogy on Wayne. He might send you pictures of the graves, Etc., as he is the groundskeeper at St. David's Church where Wayne is buried. Sincerely, Patrick Riley ---------- From: Chris Wayne[SMTP:email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:30 AM To: Patrick Riley Subject: Re: Legion Ville I definitely would like to see anything you bring back - headstone rubbings, wills, documents, maps (road and topo), pictures (panoramic, monuments, buildings), etc. I would love to know where the "ancestrial lands" are in County Wicklow and Derbyshire. I would also like to find information on Capt Anthony's father, Gabriel, who married Martha Saunderson of Norton Hall and became mayor of Chesterfield in 1657. What and where is Norton Hall. Where does Norton Hall stand in British Royalty? I believe this is where the family "came into" money and eventually allowed Anthony to acquire an officer's rank and serve under William of Orange and provided him the means to come to America. If you don't mind these requests and more as I think of them later on, that would great. Also, what addresses can I send letters to your Senators? thanks, (I wish I was going :-) chris Patrick Riley wrote: > Sir, > > Thanks for the sign-in. I am in the process of writing a Biography of Wayne and will be going to Rathdrum and England this summer. Would really help our cause if you could send a few letters to Senator Rick Santorum and Arlen Specter on our behalf. We need to show that this is not just a Pennsylvania issue. It can be the same letter. Keep in touch. > > Sincerely, > > Patrick Riley > President ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Wayne genealogy Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:31:30 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com I do have record of a John Wayne, but the year is 1772, a later decendant named Benjamin Turner Wayne, born in KY, 3-9-1810 died 3-17-1889 with a son named John Andrew Wayne bn 7/15/1837. What program do you use? I can send you the whole file. Just let me know the format. Robert Wayne ============================================================= Subject: Re: placing the right Wayne to the right place. Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:33:34 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com His Father was born in the Phil. PA area, and moved to KY later. His father was married Twice, I only have info on one spouse, Mary Turner. Benjamine Was born in Washington,KY 1810 died 3/17/ 1889. Had 7 children. I don't know if this helps or not. Robert Wayne ========================================================== Subject: Bates County History Book Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:37:13 EST From: email@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hello again I was looking thru some more of my mothers things yesterday and came across a picture about 4x6 of a G Williams. Probably taken around the turn of the century. He looks 30's. Beautiful handwriting in script. He is dressed extremely well. My family members are all gone and I don't see him mentioned anywhere. Any of your Williams begin with a G? Patti Subject: Re: Bates County History Book Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:46:49 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hi, In my mothers Butler High School year book during 1921-1926 here are the Williams Mrs J.E. Williams in 1925-26 was on the school board Lucie Williams (mother had written in her book that Lucie died 9 Aug 1926 Martha Williams was in the 1921 year book and this is the only Williams. Of course in the other towns like Rich Hill, Appleton City etc. may of been lots more. Sure wish I could help. Patti Subject: Re: Looking for Wayne, Williams and Bowdon Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:44:52 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: email@example.com Hi, Sorry, I don't see either of these families in the History Book. Mrs J E Williams was on the School Board in 1926 also same year is Lucie Williams a student and Martha Williams was a student at Butler HS 1921. Patti ========================================================== Subject: [KYBOURBO-L] JONES deeds from Bourbon Co Deed Bk Q (1821-1822) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:52:24 -0700 From: Teri Pettit <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: email@example.com Bourbon Co. researchers: I have about half of the microfilms for Bourbon County deed books from A through Z (up to 1833) at a local FHC, and am taking notes on my surnames of interest. I've offered to share my notes with others, and got so many responses especially on the common names like JONES and BROWN that it will be easier for me if I just post to this list, so that I can be sure of not missing anyone. This first installment is JONES deeds from Book Q. Is it alright with the list members if I continue to post these? I don't get to the library except about four hours a week, so it will be more of a trickle than a flood. ========================================================== Subject: [WAYNE-L] Temple WAYNE Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:52:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:08:32 -0500 From: "Tom & Linda Ladoski" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hi WAYNE Researchers, I am brand new to the list and would like to find someone who is researching the following WAYNE family. (I would like to verify if this info is correct.) 1 Temple WAYNE b. 12-18-1797 VA d. 1861 KS m. Lorinda PEYTON b. ? d. MO 2 Mary J. WAYNE b. ? d. ? m. Robert THROCKMARTIN b. ? d. ? 3 Mary Elizabeth THROCKMARTIN b. 1849 d. 1885 m. 3-30-1865 KS Phillip OSBORN b. 1838 d. 1922 MO If anyone can help, I would be very grateful ! Thanks, Linda firstname.lastname@example.com ====================================================== Subject: Capt. Gabriel Wayne Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:13:30 -0500 From: "Tom Wayne" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.com> Dear Chris, I tried to respond to your query in "Wayne Family Genealogy Forum", but was unsuccessful. I have info on Capt. Gabriel Wayne and his son William who married 2nd Esther Trezevant. I am not aware of another son William Collye. There were a number of William Waynes born about the same time and living in PA. I would be glad to share my info if it would be helpful to you. I am using my son's E-Mail and do not have E-Mail myself. My address is: Hugh S. Wayne 2322 N. Lander Ln. Charleston, SC 29414 Please contact me and I will be happy to send the info I have. Sincerely, Hugh Wayne ================================================================ Subject: Re: Talbot Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:42:30 -0500 From: Wayne Talbott <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1 Sorry Chris I have no information on any of the ones you are looking for, my list are far from complete, if you can come up with any other Talbot, Talbott's maby we can find a connection. Wayne Talbott ============================================================ Subject: Re: [KYBOURBO-L] Caney Ridge Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:57:01 -0700 From: Conrad E Palmisano <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: email@example.com References: 1,2,3 There is a Henry Talbott grave site marked (1794) north of Hinksons creek and west of Indian Creek Pike.... There is also a Talbott Inn South of the Marysville pike on what is marked as an old pioneer, buffalo trail Near a place called Walnut Run........also ther is a Demreal Talbott mared 1808 South of Spears Mill Pike east of Winchester Pike and west of stoner creek......... Ring any bells???? let me know , Conrad P. ================================================================ Subject: Re: Wayne-Talbott Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:46:20 -0600 From: ED DOLAN <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: email@example.com References: 1 Chris: Here's the notes I have in my computer about Hugh Talbott: ------- 1). "Descendants of James Burden 1740-1806, James Whaley 1684-1750, Henry Talbott 1745-1819." By Karl Rosenburg, 5249 Wren, Apt. 244, El Paso, Tx. 79924. [State Historical Society Library of Missouri, 1020 Lowry St., Columbia, Mo. 65201. No publication date or publisher given in book. The library says the book was probably privately printed, and the date probably close to when acquired by the library in 1982]. p. 609. Birth location given: Va. Death location: Buried in Millersburg, Ky. Spouse: Susannah Carter Parents: Henry Talbott/Hannah King, dau. of John King and Mary Osborn of Loudon Co., Va. 2). "The Personal Property Tax Lists for the Year 1789 for Loudon County, Virginia." By Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florene Love. Genealogical Books in Print. Springfield, Va. 1986. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. p. 54. Talbott, taxed under Francis Summers. 3). "The "Corn Stalk" Militia of Kentucky 1792-1811." By G. Glenn Clift. Frankfort, Kentucky. Kentucky Historical Society. 1957. Reprint 1982 by the Southern Historical Press, Inc. % Rev. S. Emmett Lucas, Jr. P.O. Box 738, Easley, S.C. 29640. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. p. 29. Commissioned Officers, 1797-1798; Company Officers, Bourbon County Regiments: Talbot, Hugh--Ensign, 13th Regiment-- 22 August, 1797. p. 59. Talbot, Hugh--Major, 2nd Batallion, 13th Regiment--27 July, 1801. 4). Family Group Sheets. Munson-Monson Family, from Thomas Munson of New Haven, Conn. to Samuel Monson Jr. of Nicholas Co. Ky. [From Diane Webb, 3628 Del Amo Blvd. Apt. A, Torrance, Ca. 90503]. Birth: ca. 1770, Loudon Co., Va. Death: 27 July, 1833 (She believes he and his wife died in the cholera epidemic of 1833). Buried: Old Millersburg Cemetery, Nicholas Co., Ky. Spouse: (Elizabeth) Susannah Carter 5). "History of Bourbon, Scott, Harrison, and Nicholas Counties, Kentucky". Edited by William Henry Perrin. Originally published by O.L. Baskin & Co., Chicago, Ill. 1882. Reprint by Southern Historical Press/% The Rev. S. Emmett Lucas, Jr./P.O. Box 738/Easley, S.C. 29640. p. 463. Spouse: Elizabeth Carter (Mr. Rosenburg above gives her name as Susannah). Death: 1832 Other data: was a merchant for several years at Ruddel's Mills, in Bourbon Co. 6. "Kentucky Federal Court Records-District and 6th Circuit Order Books, 1789-1804." Vol. I. Michael L. Cook C.G. and Bettie Cummings Cook C.G. Kentucky Records Series, Vol. #31. 1993. Cook Publications, 3318 Wimburg Ave., Evansville, Ind. 47720. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. p. 225. p. 83 in original. Court for 16 Nov., 1801. James Morrison for the use of the United States, v. Hugh Talbot, on debt. Samuel Munson of Bourbon County undertook bail for the defendant. p. 84 in original. James Morrison for the use of the United States, v. Samuel Munson, on debt. Hugh Talbott of Bourbon County undertook bail for the defendant. p. 234. p. 122 in original.19 Nov., 1801. James Morrison for the use of the United States, v. Hugh Talbott, on debt. Defendant acknowleged damand. Plaintiff to recover $250.00 and costs. p. 122 in original. James Morrison for the use of the United States, v. Samuel Monson, on debt. Defendany acknowleged demand. Plaintiff to recover $200.00 and costs. p. 254. p. 201 in original. 18 May, 1802. James Morrison for the use of the United States, v. Hugh Talbot, on debt. The defendant having produced remission of the penalties and forfeitures adjudged against him at a former term of this Court, by the Honorable Albert Gallitin, Secretary of the Treasury, dated January 28, 1802, it is therefore ordered that execution of the order of this Court be perpetually stayed except for the costs. p. 201 in original. James Morrison, for the use of the United States, v. Samuel Munson, on debt. Same order. 7). "Nelson County, Kentucky Records. Vol. I." Bettie Cummings Cook C.G. Kentucky Records Series, Vo. 15. Cook Publications, 3318 Wimberg Ave., Evansville, Ind. 47720. 1992. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. Beginning p. 112: Nelson County Will Book C, 1811-1817. p. 118. [p. 86 in original]. Inventory and appraisal of the personal property of Edward Carter, [Father-in-law of Hugh] dec'd., total of $2,830.00 3/4, plus list of property recieved by the legatees, John Carter, Hugh Talbert, Benjamin Mason, John Neal, John Hughes and Mason Carter, $237.00. Appraisal made by Samuel McKay, William Davis and John O'Neal. Dec. 25, 1812. Rec. Jan. 18, 1813. 8). Bourbon County, Kentucky Circuit Court. Box 1158. Papers from a lawsuit, dated 13 April, 1846. On front page is the following: Henry Hall --Bill -- vs. Nathaniel Fox [2nd husband of Margaret Talbott] & his wife -- Nicholas Co. John Wayne & Betsy Wayne his wife -- Missouri James M. Talbott, Hugh T. Talbott, & Henry Talbott, Jr. -- children of Augustine E. Talbott -- infants -- Ohio William Kinney -- Bourbon County Jno. H. Kinney -- Mercer Co. -- inft [infant] Saml. L. Fisher & Lucinda Fisher his wife -- Bourbon Co. Henry Talbott -- do [ditto] Mason Talbott -- Nicholas Co. Horace Trigg & Melvina Trigg his wife -- Bourbon Co. HEIRS OF HUGH TALBOTT DECD. [The above is the first actual proof that Margaret Talbott was the daughter of Hugh Talbott. It also gives data on her siblings; especially helpful is the location of the Waynes in Missouri and the sons of Augustine Talbott in Ohio]. 9). Bourbon County Deed Book R, pp. 327-28. Indenture between Hugh Talbott, 1st part, and John Collier of Nicholas Co., Elisha McClelland & John Parker, 2nd part. Talbott sells land in Hinkston Creek, in Bourbon Co. 112 acres, for $1,000. Recorded 18 August, 1824. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 9). Bourbon County Deed Book R, pp. 388-89. Property sold by Hugh Talbott to Charles Talbott & Samuel Munson [sic]; 2 stills, 26 tubs, 6 cattle, 30 sheep,, etc. Signed Hugh Talbott, 7 Sept., 1824; recorded 10 Nov., 1824. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 10). Bourbon County, Ky. Deed Bk. R, p. 366. Indenture, 1 Sept. 1824, between Hugh Talbott of Bourbon County, and Henry Hall of same -- for $1,472.44, 112 acres, including the tract that Hugh got from his father -- also one house and lot in Millersburg, the lot Talbott now lives on. --Condition of this conveyance is that Talbott is indebted to Hall for $580 due 21 March 1818; also two other notes, (1) $401.50, dated 4 Oct., 1821; (2) $241.69, dated 12 Nov., 1822. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 11). Bourbon County, Ky. Deed Book R, p. 524. Indenture, 28 May, 1825, between Hugh Talbott & Susannah his wife, & Daniel Talbott of Indiana. Part of town lot in Millersburg. Recorded 29 May, 1825. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 12). Bourbon County, Ky. Courthouse. Recorder's Office. Deed Bk. Y, p. 126. Indenture, 6 July, 1830, between Hugh Talbott and wife Susan, to Henry Talbott, for $126, 2/3 of of a tract of land in Bourbon Co., being the tract Henry Talbott died in possession of. Hugh and Susan retain the widow's dower and eleventh part of the 2/3 is 10 1/2 acres. Signed Hugh Talbott. Witnesses: James McClure, George Talbert [sic]. Recorded 7 Feb., 1831. --Henry Hall relinquishes all right title and claim to a lot of land which Hugh Talbott had mortgaged his interest in to Hall. Dated 13 June, 1830. Recorded 7 Feb., 1831. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 13). Bourbon County, Ky. Courthouse. Order Bk. K, p. 295-96. Administration of the estate of Hugh Talbott, dec'd. is granted to Henry Hall, who made oath, and with Charles Talbott his security, executed bond in the penalty of $1,000, conditioned agreeably to law. Ordered that Leland Whaley, Robert Bowles, Wm. Henderson, and Joshua Irwin, or any three, being sworn, do appraise said estate and report to next court. [Extracted at Bourbon County Courthouse, Paris, Ky. 40361]. 14). Kentucky Tax Lists. Bourbon County. [Microfilm at North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. 1829. Talbott, Hugh. 100 acres 2nd rate land; on Hinkston Creek; 1 taxpayer; total value $2,100. 25 do. do. $875. 15). "Trigg History". By James Knox Trigg. 1994. Tennessee Valley Publishing Co., P..O. Box 52527, Knoxville, Tn. 37950-2527. [North Independence Branch, Mid-Continent Library, 15616 East Highway 24, Independence, Mo. 64050]. p. 788. >From Register of Kentucky Historical Society, Vol. 44, p. 48: Bourbon Co.: William F. Trigg, age 38, d. Sept. 7, 1856, married. Parents: Hugh & Susan Talbott (This must mean parents of the wife). ------ I can xerox the records of the lawsuit I mentioned and send by land mail--send along your address. The suit was over, of all things, a slave. Hugh Talbott doesn't seem to have been a very good businessman. Ed Dolan. At 06:57 PM 1/31/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Ed, > >Now that I'm aware more about my Talbott line :-) I ran across this site. If >you've never seen it, it has some references to Henry Talbot in Bourbon Co... > >http://www.starbase21.com/kybiog > >chris > > ================================================================= Subject: Celadna & Nada Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:22:41 -0700 From: "Heinrich History" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.com>, <email@example.com> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wayne [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.com] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 5:05 PM To: email@example.com Subject: [MORAVIA-L] Celadna & Nada I am looking for the location (map?) of Celadna, Moravia and Nada, Moravia(??). Do they exist today? What was the population in the 1880s? What was the make up of the population? What were the types of industry? etc., etc.? History? Did the Mongol Hordes ever enter these two places? What were the reasons for immigration? thanks, Chris --Response-- Celadna Moravia is located 178.1 miles east of Prague at coordinates 4934-1823. The following towns are located within 4 miles of Celadna. 1.2 miles S Ostravice also know as Ostrawica Ostrawitz Ostrawitza 1.4 miles NNE Malenovice 1.4 miles NNW Nova Ves 1.9 miles NW Frydland Nad Ostravici a.k.a. Frydland Frydlant 2.3 miles N Lubno 2.4 miles SSE Stare Hamry a.k.a. Althammer 3.2 miles WNS Pstruzi 3.8 Miles NNE Janovice To my knowledge there is not a Nada, Moravia. There is a Nada Texas, however, and a large number of Moravian families settled in Texas in and around Nada Texas. You will find a the information on a large number of the Moravian families that settled in the Nada Texas area at my web site (address below). NADA, TEXAS. Nada is on State Highway 71 in southern Colorado County. The original name of the town was Vox Populi (from Latin vox populi vox dei, "the voice of the people is the voice of God"); the present name is an American version of the Czechoslovakian word najda (hope). There is a small town near Nada, which is now known as Vox Populi. The first settlers were J. William Schoellmann and his family, who arrived in the area on February 15, 1881. In 1882 Florian Frnka opened a store and post office. Many of the early settlers were Germans and Czechs from the Frelsburg area. The town grew as more settlers arrived, and in 1894 a post office named Nada was opened. On October 7, 1897, the first church in Nada was dedicated, and in 1889 a schoolroom for eighteen students was built. The original site of Nada was approximately 200 yards east of the present site; the town's businesses were moved when the highway was built. In 1948 the Nada school district became part of the Garwood Independent School District. Nada had a population of 165 in 1986. Hope this helps! Gerald D Heinrich mailto:email@example.com Heinrich Family History Worldwide research of the Heinrich Family & many German Moravian, German Bohemian, Moravian, Bohemian, German, Czech and related families http://www.geocities.com/~gdheinrich RootsWeb Sponsor RootsWeb Heinrich Mailing List Sponsor RootsWeb Moravia Mailing List Sponsor details can be found at http://www.geocities.com/~gdheinrich =============================================================== Subject: [KYBOURBO-L] Fisher,Butler,Peck,Talbott, Family Search Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:34:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:44:12 EST From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: email@example.com I am reserching the Fisher family.I have been able to get back to my ggg grandfather Samuel L. Fisher b.1809 d.3/28/1848 Wife Lucinda Talbott ? (Tabbott) -gg is William H. Fisher b.11/12/1829 d.3/3/1903 Wife Emma Stephens?Stevens Peck - g.grand is William Peck Fisher b.12/21/1869 d.1/18/1937. Wife Nannie Rachel Butler.My Grandmother was Nannie Belle Fisher husband Alfred C. Determan. In my grandmothers diary she wrote that her family owened the Oakland farm on Little Rock road.She also wrote that she lived on Steel Pike Road. I have visited the Paris courthouse and was told that Cane Ridge Rd. use to be Little Rock Rd.and that the old Oakland dairy farm is now the Buckner home. If anyone has any more information on these families or can confirm or correct this info please let me know. Thank Alan Dorschug firstname.lastname@example.com ============================================================== Subject: Baker-Callaway County Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:04:08 EST From: email@example.com To: email@example.com Hi: I, too, have a Baker ancestor who lived in Callaway County. He was Sylvester Baker, born mid 1700's. His wife was Experience ?. Their daughter, Nancy Baker was born about 1774 in Smith County, TN. She married Reverand William Coats in Sumner County, TN in 1791. They moved to Callaway County about 1812 or so. Sylvester apparently made the move with them. Any connections? Best wishes, Linda ================================================================ Subject: Re: Signed Guestbook Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:53:11 EST From: email@example.com To: email@example.com In a message dated 99-01-01 00:16:28 EST, you write: << Hey, Weird... My younger brother's name is Mark Anthony. I have a document on my web site: http://www.nmia.com/~cwayne/genealogy/Wayne.doc (word97) or Wayne.txt (not as clear or pretty) that has most of what I have, however, it's already out of date. Most of the new stuff, makes the link (??) from my gggg grandfather to his grandfather, Francis (who is "Mad" Anthony's uncle). How far can you trace back? What part of the country do you live? thanks, chris email@example.com wrote: > I never heard a thing, Chris. What info do you have on Mad Anthony's > descendents?..... > Coincidentally, my brother's name is CHRIS! > > Mark >> Chris, you have a lot of good info. It seems in my case that my group of Wayne's are unrelated to any of your people. My family was originally McElwaine/McElvaine/etc, etc, and my ggggrandfather shortened the name to Wayne for reasons unconfirmed.. A Revolutionary War vet, I think he WANTED to be related to Mad Anthony. Just a thoery. Family legend dies hard though, and I am trying to show that we are NOT related, using known descendents of Mad Anthony as proof. =============================================================== Subject: Re: Whayne's Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:38:34 -0600 From: firstname.lastname@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Although I can't "prove" any of what I'm about to tell, It has been passed down from Generation to generation. The story goes that the two branches of Waynes were in different counties and had a lot of trouble with shipping & supplies getting mixed up between the two Wayne families in the two different counties. (A part of the story you just seemed to confirm for me!) It was decided among the family that one would add the "H" to the name to clairfy which family goods were meant for. I'm very excited to hear from you. We have all been wondering where exactly the split came from and you seem to have the answer to it! My branch of the Whaynes will be estatic! (Although our little branch has almost died out, the only surviving "Whayne" is my uncle Aud Earl Whayne, Jr. and if he does not have a son...our little branch will die...very sad isnt it?) I am in contact with a few other Whaynes...I'd be interested in seeing all of your information. If you have a Gedcom file I can receive it via e-mail. Please keep in contact with me. I'm sure our line will cross eventually. I have only just begun my research but my cousin Cindy (Whayne) Gunthrie has been doing the research for a while now and has some more information for me to look at still. I will forward your e-mail to my family. Although I have information going way back on the Whaynes....We have not yet figured out our place in the puzzle....We are trying now to find out which ancestor is our gggggrandfather....The family bible says it was Issac Whayne but some of my research shows it could be William M. Whayne. We are still trying to piece it together. I'd be happy to share what I have. (Which is very little right now.) I have a tiny bit on the computer but did not want to go further until we established which one Isaac or William is our ancestor. Please keep in touch and let me know what other information you have. I'd be interested in obtaining a copy! And I will share what I have too! Thank you so very much for responding. Its the best "Christmas" present I've gotten this year! God bless, Raven Hardin At 12:20 AM 12/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Raven, > >I saw your query on the Wayne Genforum. The search for my line has >brought me to Campbell Co., VA (circa 1800). My research has shown that >there is a relation between the Waynes of Campbell Co. and the Whaynes >King&Queen Co., VA. What that relationship is, I'm not sure. As far as >I can tell, this is where "all" Whaynes originate. I have never found >any other place with such a concentration, although, I have noted that >even in K&Q Co., Whayne is interchangeable with Wayne. > >I believe that my Wayne line and your Whayne line are offshoots of >Francis, son of Capt Anthony Wayne, that immigrated from Ireland in >1722. Francis had five sons, I believe that the Whaynes come from his >third son, Abraham and his wife Tabitha. My line comes from one of the >other four sons (Anthony, Humphrey, John or Michael). Can you prove or >refute any of this?? > >thanks, >chris > > > Raven :Þ~~~ =============================================================== Subject: Re: Names Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:15:22 +0000 From: richard tetley <email@example.com> Organization: The Tetley Genealogy Page To: email@example.com References: 1,2,3 Hi Chris, I'm sorry, but the introduction doesn't have a separate treatment of Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire names. Just Yorkshire, Manx, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Breton, Norman etc. There is no specific entry for Wayne, he refers it to WAIN Wain, Waine, Waines, Wayne: John, Richard Wayn 1319 FFEss, 1386 LoPleas. Metonymic for WAINER, WAINMAN or WAINEWRIGHT, or 'dweller at the sign of the wain': John Attewayne 1327 SRDb. Wainer: Henry le Wayner 1381 LoPleas. A derivative of OE waegn, waegen 'wain, wagon'; 'driver of a wain, wagoner' (al 500 NED). Wainewright, Wainright, Wainwright, Wainwrigt: Ailmar Wanwrecthe 1237 HPD (Ess); Adam the Waynwrith 1285 Wak (Y); Alan le Waynwright 1332 SRLa. OE waegnwyrhta 'wainwright, wagon-builder'. Wainman, Wenman, Whenman: John Waynman 1297 SRY; John Weneman 1327 SR (Ess). OE waegn, waen 'wagon' and mann; 'wagoner' (1392 NED). Now, unfortunately this is littered with references, which is one of the reasons that scanning entries from this book is a bit of a pain! However I'll try to identify most of them. OE is Old English. FFEss:- Feet of fines, Essex LoPleas:- London Plea and Memoranda rolls SRDb:- Subsidy Rolls Derbyshire al500 NED:- ante 1500 New English Dictionary HPD (Ess) Hornchurch Priory Documents Wak (Y) Court Rolls of the manor of Wakefield SRLa Lancashire subsidy rolls SRY Yorkshire subsidy rolls SR (Ess) Essex subsidy rolls 1392 NED New English Dictionary As for Norton near Sheffield, are you aware that it is a place as well as a 'Hall'. Norton, apparently, dates back to anglo saxon times. Norton Hall, was built in 1815 by Samuel Shore, on the site of two earlier halls. It was bought by Charles Cammell in 1857. Cammell was one of the Steel magnates. He bought the house from the assignees of Samuel Shore. Charles Cammell died in 1879. Norton hall is now a private clinic. The magnificent grounds of Norton Hall were donated to the city by J.G.Graves, and are now known as Graves Park. Cheers Rich Chris Wayne wrote: > > richard tetley wrote: > > > Hi Chris and folks, >> > > I have a book by P.H.Reaney called 'A Dictionary of British Surnames'. > > I will be looking for this book, but, in the mean time can you pass on the > sections for Derby and Notts (I assume you scanned the Yorks section??) and > the section (or part) on Wayne and it's derivatives? I do think that that > my family originates in Derby, but there is some cross over into York and > Notts. Also any information on Norton (as in Norton Hall just south of > Sheffield and not Norton just north of York). > > thanks, > chris -- Born in Sheffield, but currently in Nottingham UK. Family names:- ASHFORTH, CAVE, CHAMPION, HODGES, HOPE, JACKSON, NICHOLSON, SIMPSON, SLEE, TETLEY, WALKER, WESTOVER, WOOLLEN, WILLIAMS. Home Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/richard.tetley/ ================================================================ Subject: Re: Names Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:53:13 +0000 From: richard tetley <firstname.lastname@example.com> Organization: The Tetley Genealogy Page To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2,3,4,5 Hi Chris, Chris Wayne wrote: > > richard tetley wrote: > > > As for Norton near Sheffield, are you aware that it is a place as well > > as a 'Hall'. > > Can I assume that Norton Hall is in Norton? I.e., did Norton growup around > Norton Hall? I suspect that Norton, the village, was there before the hall, when the folk were living in mud huts. The hall might come later, when the village was properly established. There are quite a few really old 'hall' buildings in South Yorkshire. The old Cruck construction barns, that used to be what they called a long house, I think. I imagine that the first Norton Halls would have been similar examples, but I don't know that for sure. I can't tell you much more about this at the moment, but Saunderson (or more likely Sanderson) is one of the 'old' Sheffield names. There must be some history on them. Fraid I don't have that though. The nearest cemetery would be the old village church in Norton. The church is still there. In fact, my brother Michael was married there. I can't remember what the churchyard looked like though! It is a few years ago! I'll have a flick through some history books and see if I can come up with anything. I doubt if Sheffield history books will have much in them, because Norton was way outside the old city boundaries, and at that time, Norton was just a country village. Cheers Rich > -- Born in Sheffield, but currently in Nottingham UK. Family names:- ASHFORTH, CAVE, CHAMPION, HODGES, HOPE, JACKSON, NICHOLSON, SIMPSON, SLEE, TETLEY, WALKER, WESTOVER, WOOLLEN, WILLIAMS. Home Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/richard.tetley/ ================================================================ Subject: Re: Names Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:17:58 +0000 From: richard tetley <email@example.com> Organization: The Tetley Genealogy Page To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 Hi Chris, Chris Wayne wrote: > > I'm guessing (from what I've seen on Yorksgen) that a "Hall" is where a Duke, > Earl or some kind of Nobility lives?? If this is the case, then what comes > first, the Noble and his lands or the peasants that form a community. Am I > thinking in the right way? Being an American, I'm trying to understand :-) I think it is fair to say that the peasants were there first, but not a strict rule. If the village of Norton goes back far enough, then it would be an Anglo-saxon settlement. Basically a large farm, with an extended family or possibly several extended families living in a group of mud & wattle huts. There was likely to be one head man, or chieftain. The 'ton' on the end of Norton, is the old english word for a farmstead. So this was possibly something like 'the farmstead of Nor, or something similar. Another interpretation might be the farmstead of the Norse folk. You'd have to consult a better authority than me for a correct interpretation. Some while ago I read that, the name of a village that we used to live in in Co. Durham called Heighington, was derived from 'the ton (i.e. farmstead) of Hecca'. Over the years hecca became hegga and the name was gradually corrupted to become Heighington, which is now pronounced High-ing-tun. It should possibly be more correctly pronounced Heggas-tun. You see how difficult it is to establish the proper interpretation of the origins of the name of a place. Back to Norton; As the centuries went by, the head man might build himself a very large house. And a large single roomed house is often called a hall. We still call our passageway from the front door a 'hall'. (I'm not sure what you call that part of the house!). So Norton Hall might not be as grand a place as the word Hall suggests to you. It would still be the biggest building in the area though! Not all Halls are big grand places (although some are). It became fashionable for the relatively wealthy industralists to build themselves a biggish house and call it Broomhall, or PageHall, or CarrHall. They weren't gentry though! Just 'nouveau riche'. When the Normans came over from France and conquered England, the Sheffield area was ruled by an absentee landlord Roger de Busli, presumably a Norman. The local lord of the manor of Hallam, was of danish extraction, called Earl Waltheof, who probably lived in Sheffield. So I guess that, whoever lived at Norton, he was a minor player in the game, and probably paid allegiance to Waltheof. He would probably be of much lower rank than a Lord. Certainly if Norton fell with the manor of Hallam, he would pay dues to the lord of Hallam. The domesday book describes Hallam as one manor with sixteen hamlets. I suspect that Norton was one of the hamlets. There were thirty three villeins in Hallam. The boss man at Norton, and maybe a couple of others, are likley to have been among these villeins (or villagers). Villein carried some sort of rank, but I'm not sure exactly what level. I don't think they were 'free men' though. > > There are quite a few really old 'hall' buildings in South Yorkshire. > > The old Cruck construction barns, that used to be what they called a > > long house, I think. > > I imagine that the first Norton Halls would have been similar examples, > > but I don't know that for sure. > > Where they all built on the same site? That's what this book of mine implies, but I wouldn't assume it is necessarily true, he probably didn't research it himself. As I said before Norton Hall was bought by wealthy industrialists. These guys would have bought it for the land that went with it, and not caring about the old house already there, would have knocked it down to build something more modern. Where could I find a history of Norton? Not sure about that. Have you read the history of Sheffield on Sheffield Library's web page? Try this URL http://www.earl.org.uk/partners/sheffield/index.html > > Again, any ideas where to look for history on Sanderson or Norton? Not really, you're delving a bit deep into the sheffield history here. I've no doubt that there would be some interesting stuff in the Sheffield Local History library and the Sheffield Archive, but accessing it is another problem altogether. I'd love to say I'd do it for you, but I just don't have the time, what with the day job and all! > Family records seem to indicate that Norton Hall had it's own cemetery?? I'd have to pass on that, I just don't know enough about Norton Hall. It is a private clinic now, you might try writing to it, if you could get the address of it. I don't know what it is though. You could try asking that question on Yorksgen I suppose. It would need someone with current Sheffield knowledge to give you the answer. There's no guarantee that anyone at the clinic knows anything about the history, but you never find out if you don't ask I suppose. > > BTW, I have a friend traveling to Chesterfield (I think it's later this year??) > doing research on "Wayne". If you find points of interest, etc., we can arrange > for him to "drop by" and pickup whatever or take pictures. Probably the best bet is to get some local history books. Most good bookshops have a few in stock at any one time. Any of the books by David Hey (who is a professor of local history at Sheffield University) might be interesting. That's all I can think of for now. Rich. ============================================================== Subject: Re: Names Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:53:17 +0000 From: richard tetley <email@example.com> Organization: The Tetley Genealogy Page To: email@example.com References: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 Hi Chris, Chris Wayne wrote: > > richard tetley wrote: > > > The 'ton' on the end of Norton, is the old english word for a farmstead. > > So this was possibly something like 'the farmstead of Nor, or something > > similar. Another interpretation might be the farmstead of the Norse > > folk. You'd have to consult a better authority than me for a correct > > interpretation. > > I heard that Nor meant North, i.e. the North Farmstead?? There's a Norton just North > East of York. I wonder if the naming is similar? There are also various parishes > that are named Norton or have Norton in the name. I think that Nor meaning north may be true or maybe not. I'm not an expert. It may not be true in all cases. The reason I suggested Norse, was that several places are named after the tribe that lived there, For example there is a village near Sheffield called Wales. (many miles indeed, from the country of Wales) This could be because the place was inhabited by the Welsh or the 'old english' or Briton folk. As I understand it this is why the country of Wales is called that name. Wales and welsh are terms used for the land where the indiginous welsh or Britons lived. You have to remember that the Britons were conquered by all sorts of folk over the centuries, Danes, Norsemen, Angles, Picts you name it they've all invaded us. Then the Romans came, then the french or Normans. They didn't have a clearout every time someone invaded. The invaders often settled amongst the folk who were there already. But you can imagine that they would all live in their separate areas or villages. At least until a century or so had gone by and some intermarriage had taken place. > > > So Norton Hall might not be as grand a place as the word Hall suggests > > to you. > > It would still be the biggest building in the area though! > > I was under the impression that nobility lived there and I thought that this was "our > link" to royalty. Evidently not or is it still maybe? Oh I wouldn't rule it out. I was just trying to suggest that not all 'halls' are grand places and necessarily associated with nobility. Some halls are grand, some aren't grand at all. It remains to be proven as they say! > > > It became > > fashionable for the relatively wealthy industralists to build themselves > > a biggish house and call it Broomhall, or PageHall, or CarrHall. They > > weren't gentry though! Just 'nouveau riche'. > > Maybe this is the case of the third Norton Hall?? That sounds to be the case. The chap who rebuilt it in 1815 Samuel Shore, was such an individual. He wasn't actually an industrialist, but a banker. The man who bought it in 1850, Charles Cammell was one of the steel magnates. By the way I've just noticed that Norton church is called St James. > > > When the Normans came over from France and conquered England, the > > Sheffield area was ruled by an absentee landlord Roger de Busli, > > presumably a Norman. The local lord of the manor of Hallam, was of > > danish extraction, called Earl Waltheof, who probably lived in > > Sheffield. > > This is where I kind of get lost. Where is Hallam? Was Waltheof sort of like a > second in command to de Busli? Or were there other "local" lords under Busli? Hallam covered a large area to the south of Sheffield. I'm not sure of the actual boundaries,. In fact it may not be known accurately. At the time of the Domesday book, much of sheffield fitted into the manors of Hallam, Attercliffe and Sheffield. Again, you need to know a bit about the local history. There were no fixed boundaries all those years ago. As battles were fought and won, the boundaries shifted. At one time, the river sheaf which rises in the hills to the west of Norton, and runs into the centre of Sheffield, was the boundary between Mercia and Northumberland. The southern border of Northumberland is now about 150 miles further north! > > > The domesday book describes Hallam as one manor with sixteen hamlets. I > > suspect that Norton was one of the hamlets. There were thirty three > > villeins in Hallam. The boss man at Norton, and maybe a couple of > > others, are likley to have been among these villeins (or villagers). > > Villein carried some sort of rank, but I'm not sure exactly what level. > > I don't think they were 'free men' though. > > I would love to see a map of these hamlets. They may not have been 'free men', but > certainly they enjoyed an easier life and had more privileges?? They weren't like > trusted house servants? They were allowed to farm their land, but had to pay taxes to the lord. This may not have been money, but say 10 chickens a year, five sacks of wheat etc. etc. Some of these taxes could be punitive. They had to pay what the lord said they should pay. No choice in the matter. They had to ask the lord's permission to do all sorts of things. Like get married. They were bound to the lord i.e not free, and weren't allowed to wander off and live somewhere else. If they did, they were outside the law, or outlaw. This is reputedly what happened to Robin Hood, or whatever he was really called (Earl if Huntingdon? Earl of Loxley?) he fell out with his 'Lord', and was outlawed. They were, in effect, slaves, being 'owned' by their 'Lord'. Don't forget that the Normans were incoming conquerors and had subjugated all the folk who actually lived here when they arrived. And of course, even within Norman society, they all belonged to the one above them. Even the lords were subjects of the top dog himself, the King! > > > Not really, you're delving a bit deep into the sheffield history here. > > I've no doubt that there would be some interesting stuff in the > > Sheffield Local History library and the Sheffield Archive, but accessing > > it is another problem altogether. >> > > I'd love to say I'd do it for you, but I just don't have the time, what > > with the day job and all! > > You've been very very helpful. You're the best lead I've had. You've given me new > hope and energy to continue looking on this line. Anything you can find is helpful, > but if you run into somebody that could to do the research, hook us up. > > > It is a private clinic now, you might try writing to it, if you could > > get the address of it. I don't know what it is though. You could try > > asking that question on Yorksgen I suppose. It would need someone with > > current Sheffield knowledge to give you the answer. There's no guarantee > > that anyone at the clinic knows anything about the history, but you > > never find out if you don't ask I suppose. > > Yes, I think I will. Do you at lest know the name? "Norton Clinic"?? You've given > me more information to at least make my query more specific. Sorry, I've just flicked through the yellow pages and can't see anything. I would try addressing the letter to: The Administrator, Norton Hall, Norton, Sheffield. England. The place is big enough, so that should find it. At worst, you lose the cost of a postage stamp! Ther'e no guarantee they'll reply. Not everyone is interested in genealogy. You never know though! > > > Probably the best bet is to get some local history books. Most good > > bookshops have a few in stock at any one time. Any of the books by David > > Hey (who is a professor of local history at Sheffield University) might > > be interesting. > > Does he have an Email address that you know of? Perhaps if I could talk to him, he > could help me out, at least point me to one of his books? Not that I know of, but you could try someone like Amazon Books to see what they've got. A search for AMazon should find them on the net. David Hey is the president of the Sheffield Family History Society. Try writing to David Hey, c/o Mrs Jo Rundle, 75 Sunnyvale Road, Totley Sheffield S17 4 FA. If you include a couple of Interantional reply coupons, that should help. Tell him you're particularly interested in the history of Norton Hall and the village etc. and ask what books he recommends. You never know he might tell you something himself. Now he IS an expert <grin>. I hope all this makes sense, if not let me know! Cheers Rich -- Born in Sheffield, but currently in Nottingham UK. Family names:- ASHFORTH, CAVE, CHAMPION, HODGES, HOPE, JACKSON, NICHOLSON, SIMPSON, SLEE, TETLEY, WALKER, WESTOVER, WOOLLEN, WILLIAMS. Home Website: http://freespace.virgin.net/richard.tetley/ ============================================================== Subject: Re: [MORAVIA-L] Celadna & Nada Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:19:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: email@example.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:12:12 -0500 From: "Sharon H. Ritchie" <email@example.com> Reply-To: email@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.com Hi: I have used ShtelSeeker and found my town of Nadas in Slovakia Coordinates 4832 1728, located 31.0 miles NNE of Bratislava. The other Nadas is at Coordinates 4913 1823 in Slovakia, 59.9 miles ENE of Bratislava. Hope this helps, Chris. Sharon R. email@example.com =========================================================== Subject: Re: [MORAVIA-L] LINCOLN COUNTY OKLAHOMA Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:51:24 -0600 From: Shirley Anderson <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1,2 Chris Wayne wrote: > > This isn't about Lincoln Co. I noticed that your in Shawnee. Are you from > there? I also assume you are of Czech decent?? Anyway, I was born in > Shawnee. Lived on McAurther, West of St Gregorys (two story stone block > house like). Grand parents lived down on S. Oklahoma, near Forrest (behind > the slaughter house). My other grandfather owned much of the SW corner of > Oklahoma and Main. Then I have an aunt and uncle (Block - Raymond was the > Police Chief at one time) that lived off of Harrison. I've got another aunt > and uncle living there too. Anyway, to get to my point, my grandmother > (dad's mom) was a Kahanek. Does that name ring a bell? I don't know the > geographic location, but I was told that some part of Pottawatomie Co. > formed what was known as "Little Bohemia". Evidently, a large number had > settled there (I assume coming from the Galvestion area)? You're getting a > sneak peek at what I'm planing on posting to MORAVIA-L :-) > > chris Chris, Yes I do live in Shawnee, in fact on 45th between Kickapoo and Harrison, just west of Union. My Moravia research is for a friend of mine, David Petricek. He has lived here most of his life. His family is originally from McLoud. I will show him your email, I'm sure he will recognize it. Also, just for your information, there are several KAHANEK's listed in the Lincoln County History. First names of these are Al, Albert, Albert Earnest, Bertha, Charlene, Charles, Cye, Della, Emily (Straka), Framces, John, Lucy, Lydia, Mary, Mary (Sliva), Mary Pat, Mary Pat (Teape), Mike, Mildred, Robert and Wesley. If any of these are people you are looking for, let me know. I'll send you the stories from the book. My personal web page with my family trees on it is located at http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/n/d/Shirley-J-Anderson About as far back as I can find my family is GA. Shirley Anderson Shawnee, OK =============================================================Subject: Re:WAIN, Wayne, Wayn, Waine Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:37:23 -0800 From: SILVERHELM <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.com References: 1 Chris....I went to check on the Oregon Census. there were NO Wayne's (no matter how you spell it) before the 1860 Census...I do have some Wayne's listed on a couple of the Cencuses. I found on the 1870 Census a W. Wain lived in Polk County in the town of LACKEMUTE, OR but when I went to check on the Census to get his age and what not....he was not there..I asked the people at the front desk to help me (as I have been looking at fishe all day) to see if I am missing something....they could not find him either. I was very disappointed. I did find a Wayne, F.B 28, white male, Painter, born in PA (no family on the census) and I found Wayne, H.M age 8, white female born in MO (the family she was listed with was different than WAYNE. this was on the 1870 Census On the 1860 Census I found a James Wayne, Jackson County, Eden Precinct, OR If you could give me a better Idea of the year you want...I can go from there....:) Teia ================================================================ Subject: wayne line Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:16:45 -0500 From: "Thomas Croft" <firstname.lastname@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.com> Hi Chris. My name is Tom Croft (Thomas Wright Croft,Jr.) originally from Georgia. I live in Pittsburgh, and have been talking to the folks at Legionville, who gave me your name. I'm trying to help with the Legionville situation, and do not yet have a handle on the controversy. I do have some economic development background, however, and may be able to help. My father's mother's family, the Wrights, came down from Tennessee to northern Georgia at the end of the 1800s, and my great grandfather built the first hotel in Chattsworth Ga. in the Appalachians. It is now a national landmark, left behind by my great aunt Kate Wright Raines, a nurse on reservations in the west for 30 years (BIA, etc.). The Wright family (derived from the flying Wrights of Dayton, Ohio) evidently married a Wayne somewhere along the way. Supposedly, Wayne was a great, great (etc) uncle. (3 times removed, whatever that means) Thomas Monroe Wright married Laura Holbrook at end of century, leading to a large family of Wrights, of which,Jennie Mae, was my grandmother on father's side (Thomas Wright Croft). Granny Wright's mother was a Moreland, evidently half-Cherokee of family who successfully avoided Trail of Tears. If you have any thoughts about how to find out where this happened, or have info, I would really appreciate it. It's an interesting fork in the (tree) road.....Thanks. Meanwhile, I'll do what I can in Legionville. Tom ===============================================================Subject: Re: [JESSE-JAMES-L] Re: Receiving no posts Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: firstname.lastname@example.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:33:56 EDT From: email@example.com Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.com To: email@example.com Hi, I am new to the list. Virginia Winn Parker b. Deepwater, Henry Co MO. now in Oxnard, Ventura Co, CA. I do not think there is a connection to the Jesse James family but I do have James in MO connected to my WINN family - those living in Henry and St. Clair Co, MO. The surnames connected to this James line are:MILES, PROTHERO, MARLIN, AND LEWIS. Also connecting is WINN surname is COLE, DAVIS x2, MORGAN, KNIERIM, HATFIELD, a different LEWIS family; UNDERWOOD, WEAVER, ROTH, and more. I joined the list to see if I could get further info on my James line and connecting surnames and to either confirm or rule out any connection to Jesse James and family. Does anyone have any info on those surnames I mentioned above connected to my James line? Thanks, Virginia ==== JESSE-JAMES Mailing List ==== Visit the Jesse James Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/jamesged.htm ****************************************** If you have a page on the James Gang or other MO Outlaws let me know and I will add the URL here. ==================================================================
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