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"I am a LOYAL WALMART CUSTOMER!! Bought a laptop less than 2 months ago. I take online classes and now the computer decides that it wants to freeze and not allow me to get on the internet. Went back to Walmart, and they tells me that I can't return or exchange. Only through the manufacturing company. I didn't buy it through them, I bought it there so I want them to do What's right. I'm soooooooo furious right now. I have classes to take and can't. They tells me 15 days. Of course it's gonna work more than 15 days. I'm calling corporate because their assistant managers were VERY RUDE!! And just to think WALMART was my favorite store!! They lost a customer, and I'm writing statements on every site that I find to report them!! Store #1359"
"Do Not Write a Check at Store at La Porte, Tx. I did and the cash register would not read it so they would not let me use it.So I had to charge it on my credit card. When to my bank and told with officer and she said there was no reason for it to have happen. This is such an embarrassment . I will Not do this again at WalMart Laporte, Tx. "
"$5000.00 oil change. DO NOT take your car to Walmart for service! I took my car in for a simple oil change and basically they killed the engine. They over-filled the oil and when I picked it up it was smoking like crazy and I couldn't drive it over 35 miles an hour. It was making all kinds of noise, I took it straight the a mechanic and he told me the engine needed to be rebuilt! The bearings on the number one cylinder were shot. he said they put to thin of oil in and over-filled it pushing oil up past the rings. Walmart said they didn't do anything wrong, but I'm stuck with no car. They won't do anything about it. If you like your car, don't take it to Walmart. I found out from 3 other people at work that had similar problems with their service department. DO NOT take your car to Walmart for service!!!! I will never shop their again!"
"Ordered from walmart.com. Ordered a jumpsuit. Came with a broken zipper. I returned it but 5 weeks later still no refund. Was told i need to file a complaint with my credit card company because they dont understand why i didnt get my refund. Idiots"
"Due to Walmart's address mix-up, I've had to pay about $60 to return my item. Although the correct address was listed as the "preferred address," their system shipped to a previous address. Customer service was not helpful. They blamed the mixup on the vendor, yet their system handles the address. I use Amazon a lot for my current home project (>$1000 in the last 4 months) and have had no such trouble there. I strongly recommend against using Walmart.com."
"I am extremely frustrated at not being able to give feedback to WalMart if no store is involved in comment. I wasted a huge amount of time on my tablet trying to contact WalMart (no store) regarding difficulty of getting support or giving feedback. This was in regards to being told on website that correct information entered was not correct. Then when I called customer service, I heard my available balance, payment information, etc. a half a dozen times when the only thing I wanted was to talk to a person. "
"Copperas Cove Texas Wal-mart AND Killeen Texas Wal-Mart needs new staff and a new manager. I ordered a tablet to be shipped to the killeen store from Wal-Mart.com and they told me it would be there 4-5 days after I ordered and I tracked it that day it was supposed to be there and it hasnt even been shipped. So I cancelled it and then ordered it from the online at copperas cove Wal-Mart because it said they already had it in stock and it should be ready the next day. So I called to make sure it was going to be there and I wasn't going to be let down again. Well turns out I ordered the tablet under false pretenses because someone at that store was to lazy to update their information. So the tablet wasn't really in stock. So I got pissed and nobody seemed to care. None of the staff cared they basically told me "well too bad so sad" they didn't give me any alternatives, they didn't act like they cared. Then I talked to the manager and they treated me the same way, didn't care, didn't give me any other options. All I got was a rush order to the copperas cove store so now I can wait another 3-6 days. And its putting me behind in my work. If I don't get it this time I'm considering suing Wal-Mart so then maybe they can give jobs to people who actually care about what they do.
The least they could of done now is shipped it to my house for free. Nope, still have to inconvenience myself and go to the store.. again.
Dissappointed customer"
"I ordered mini fridge on Walmart.ca on 21/02/2015 and delivery date was 27/02/2015 however I got it today 24/02/2015. They brought my order with no phone call, no email or notice. I and my roommates were home all day and no one knocked on my door. @4 pm, one of my roommates came from school and she said there is a fridge on the porch. we were so surprised. We have no idea when it came etc. someone could steal it or make a damage on it. Walmart delivery department is unprofessional. NEVER EVER SHOPPING AT WALMART AGAIN! and NO CUSTOMER SATISFACTION AT ALL!!!"
"I purchased the Decor Flame Electric Fireplace for TVs up to 42" in Black. I am so upset with this entire ordeal of getting this fireplace. I was told shipment would arrive on 2-27-2015. I specified that this was going to an apartment I was not living at yet and did not want this item arriving prior to 2-27-2015. On 2-20-15 I happen to be at the apartment walking out to my car when I saw a FedEx driver. I decided to stop him to talk to him about my fireplace that was arriving on 2-27-2015. Much to my surprise, he said that's what I'm here for; I have it on the truck right now! I was shocked! By God's Grace I happened to be there and then approached the driver at the right time. The driver told me that he would have made an attempt to deliver the item three times and then I would have had to come pick this up myself! No way I could get 150 lb fireplace myself. He brought it in and I noticed the box was in pretty bad shape. I mentioned this to the driver and he tried to open it, but because of all the packaging material, we would have had to have taken it completely apart to thoroughly check. On Sunday, today, 2-22-2015 my son put it together. 3 1/2 hours later of working on this thing and trying to make sense of the incomplete directions, we notice that certain areas had no pre-drilled holes. Someone strong better be prepared to hand tighten these screws (which by the way were the wrong screws in the back of the unit - the screws don't fit flush against the unit and stick out, but since they are in the back, no one would notice). So we come across the final top piece when we notice that the hole where the manufacturer originally drilled split part of the top. This part would be underneath where no one would have noticed, but when we turned it over low and behold the laminate in the front of the mantle bubbled and a big chip was present. We then looked at the other side of the mantle and another piece was missing. Now you get a little bottle of black nail polish paint for touch ups, but no paint was going to touch up a bubble that made the laminate come up and peel off. I would like a new mantle piece sent since this mantle piece is so badly destroyed. I am not going to send this entire fireplace back because we are not going to have to take apart this 3 1/2 hour project just to have to put it back together again. I would like a new mantle sent out, so that this fireplace could look halfway descent.
I contacted Walmart.com and I'm told to get another mantle and they would reimburse me. Where in the world am I supposed to find a part to their item? I asked for the mfg co to call and was given the name.. IMPORT-SHANGHAI WINDO TRADING. I asked for the phone number and if it was in the US and no answer was given. Jessica R told me they would send me a new fireplace if I sent this one back. I asked if I would get one already put together since it took us 3.5 hours to get this together and of course they will not. I am scared now because I also ordered a dining room set and am just waiting for it to arrive. I sure hope it isn't as cheap as this fireplace. Any positive remarks you see for this item has to come from people who are paid to give good reviews, because no one in their right mind would be happy with this. "
"I will never in my life order from walmart again or even shop their for that matter. They're the most ridiculous fucking corporation that I've ever used I pay for rush shipping for it not even to fucking come then for them to turn around and try to cancel my fucking order. Call only to have to fucking wait another week for my fucking phones NEVER again "
"I ordered an exercise bench with 100 lbs weight online. Similar to the experience of several other reviewers for this product, the equipment was delivered with parts missing. In my case it was missing 30 lbs in weight and no assembling or exercise booklet. I put the whole thing together just looking at the pictures online and with some guess work, only to realize that I was missing a 20 lbs weight and a 10 lbs weight. I contacted Walmart who said I should contact the manufacturer. I contacted Cap Barbell and they told me contact the retailer. After a few frustrating emails, Walmart told me that if I could return the equipment in 1 day back to them (after these emails I was coming to the end of my return period) they will resend a new set. The reason I ordered it online was I dont have a car. So they wanted me to unassemble the bench, somehow unnail the barbell rod and take the whole thing back to them. It is more convenient for me to just buy the missing weights that go through this ordeal. This is what I will do, but I felt really cheated and let down by the poor customer service from both Walmart and Cap Barbell.
I would recommend spending more money to buy from a better manufacturer and from a retailer that takes customer service more seriously (Ama*on). The price tag from a low cost manufacturer/retailer is good, but its anyones guess on what you will get in the box. "
"I purchashed a repair kit online and went to pick it up at walmart in Watseka IL. While I was there I found a glass buter dish. After waiting around 10 minutes they found my package. When checking out I asked for a couple extra bags and the battleaxe told me I could only have 1. I told her service like this is a reason I avoid ---------------------walmart. I can see why walmart is NOT a member of this forum."
"Anyone else beginning to feel scammed by the fairly new Walmart Savings Catcher promotion where you shop Walmart, submit your receipt to Walmart Savings Catcher and they compare your purchases to their competitors advertised prices and refund the difference in the form of Walmart gift cards? The system seems to be intentionally stacked in Walmart's favor. Here's an example: While Walmart compared and matched the advertised prices at my local Kroger, Meijer and Foodlion stores, they refuse to price match with my local Aldi's. Hmmm, only price matching with stores that give Walmart the least amount of competition. "
"Walmart.com sent me a brand new Dell laptop 6 weeks ago, but did not send it in a Dell box, nor did they include the basic operating system backup discs. Walmart.com now will not help me with this Dell laptop that is less than 6 weeks old. They won't take it as a return, nor service it. Even though I paid them $400 in good faith, and now I cannot use the laptop at all because it won't load Windows 8. I tried Microsoft, only to find that they now charge a minimum of $99 just to look at a computer. The only reason I purchased it from Walmart in the first place is because I thought they would help me if I got into this situation. In fact, Walmart rates about the same as buying from an unknown person online, as far as I'm concerned. Fry's would've included the installation discs, and if I couldn't get it working by reinstalling on my own, would only have charged me $60 to troubleshoot."
"online packaging for glassware sucks...like anyone is gonna take a 2.08 cent bottle back to them when its nroken. Imjust writing this to say use bubble wrap not cardboard paper."


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5333 West Kings Avenue has a Walk Score of 23 out of 100. This location is a Car-Dependent neighborhood so almost all errands require a car.
This location is in Glendale. Nearby parks include Country Gables Park, Chapparal Park and Sunburst Paradise Park.
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Nearby coffee shops include Rayner's Chocolate & Coffee Shop, Starbucks and Starbucks. Nearby restaurants include Mike and Ronda's, The Place, Outback Steakhouse and Le Chalet.
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As smartphones have become de rigueur in the global digital economy, users want them to do more work, and businesses want them to be more productive for their employees -- as well as powerful added channels to consumers.
But neither businesses nor mobile-service providers have a cross-domain architecture that supports all the new requirements for a secure digital economy, one that allows safe commerce, data sharing and user privacy.
So how do we blaze a better path to a secure mobile future? How do we make today's ubiquitous mobile devices as low risk as they are indispensable?
BriefingsDirect recently posed these and other questions to a panel of experts on mobile security: Paul Madsen, Principal Technical Architect in the Office of the CTO at Ping Identity; Michael Barrett, President of the FIDO (Fast Identity Online) Alliance, and Mark Diodati, a Technical Director in the Office of the CTO at Ping Identity. The sponsored panel discussion is moderated by me, Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions.
Here are some excerpts:
Gardner: We're approaching this Cloud Identity Summit 2014 (CIS) in Monterey, Calif. on July 19 and we still find that the digital economy is not really reaching its full potential. We're still dealing with ongoing challenges for trust, security, and governance across mobile devices and network.
Even though people have been using mobile devices for decades—and in some markets around the world they're the primary tool for accessing the Internet—why are we still having problems? Why is this so difficult to solve?
Diodati: There are so many puzzle pieces to make the digital economy fully efficient. A couple of challenges come to mind. One is the distribution of identity. In prior years, the enterprise did a decent job -- not an amazing job, but a decent job -- of identifying users, authenticating them, and figuring out what they have access to.
Once you move out into a broader digital economy, you start talking about off-premises architectures and the expansion of user constituencies. There is a close relationship with your partners, employees, and your contractors. But relationships can be more distant, like with your customers.
Emerging threats
Additionally, there are issues with emerging security threats. In many cases, there are fraudsters with malware being very successful at taking people's identities and stealing money from them.
Mobility can do a couple of things for us. In the old days, if you want more identity assurance to access important applications, you pay more in cost and usability problems. Specialized hardware was used to raise assurance. Now, the smartphone is really just a portable biometric device that users carry without us asking them to do so. We can raise assurance levels without the draconian increase in cost and usability problems.
We're not out of the woods yet. One of the challenges is nailing down the basic administrative processes to bind user identities to mobile devices. That challenge is part cultural and part technology. [See more on a new vision for identity.]
Gardner: So it seems that we have a larger set of variables, end users, are not captive on network, who we authenticate. As you mentioned, the mobile device, the smartphone, can be biometric and can be an even better authenticator than we've had in the past. We might actually be in a better position in a couple of years. Is there a transition that's now afoot that we might actually come out better on the other end?
Madsen: The opportunities are clear. As Mark indicated, the phones, not just because of its technical features, but because of the relatively tight binding that users feel for them, make a really strong authentication factor.
It's the old trope of something you have, something you know, and something you are. Phones are something you already have, from the user's point of view. It's not an additional hard token or hard USB token that we're asking employees to carry with them. It's something they want to carry, particularly if it's a BYOD phone.
So phones, because they're connected mobile computers, make a really strong second-factor authentication, and we're seeing that more and more. As I said, it's one that users are happy using because of the relationship they already have with their phones, for all the other reasons. [See more on identity standards and APIs.]
Gardner: It certainly seems to make sense that you would authenticate into your work environment through your phone. You might authenticate in the airport to check in with your phone and you might use it for other sorts of commerce. It seems that we have the idea, but we need to get there somehow.
What's architecturally missing for us to make this transition of the phone as the primary way in which people are identified session by session, place by place? Michael, any thoughts about that?
User experience
Barrett: There are a couple of things. One, in today's world, we don't yet have open standards that help to drive cross-platform authentication, and we don't have the right architecture for that. In today's world still, if you are using a phone with a virtual keyboard, you're forced to type this dreadful, unreadable tiny password on the keyboard, and by the way, you can't actually read what you just typed. That's a pretty miserable user experience, which we alluded to earlier.
But also, it's a very ugly. It's a mainframe-centric architecture. The notion that the authentication credentials are shared secrets that you know and that are stored on some central server is a very, very 1960s approach to the world. My own belief is that, in fact, we have to move towards a much more device-centric authentication model, where the remote server actually doesn't know your authentication credentials. Again, that comes back to both architecture and standards.
My own view is that if we put those in place, the world will change. Many of us remember the happy days of the late '80s and early '90s when offices were getting wired up, and we had client-server applications everywhere. Then, HTML and HTTP came along, and the world changed. We're looking at the same kind of change, driven by the right set of appropriately designed open standards.
Gardner: So standards, behavior, and technology make for an interesting adoption path, sometimes a chicken and the egg relationship. Tell me about FIDO and perhaps any thoughts about how we make this transition and adoption happen sooner rather than later?
Barrett: I gave a little hint. FIDO is an open-standards organization really aiming to develop a set of technical standards to enable device-centric authentication that is easier for end users to use. As an ex-CTO, I can tell you the experience when you try to give them stronger authenticators that are harder for them to use. They won't voluntarily use them.
We have to do better than we're doing today in terms of ease of use of authentication. We also have to come up with authentication that is stronger for the relying parties, because that's the other face of this particular coin. In today's world, passwords and pins work very badly for end users. They actually work brilliantly for the criminals.
So I'm kind of old school on this. I tend to think that security controls should be there to make life better for relying parties and users and not for criminals. Unfortunately, in today's world, they're kind of inverted.
So FIDO is simply an open-standards organization that is building and defining those classes of standards and, through our member companies, is promulgating deployment of those standards.
Madsen: I think FIDO is important. Beyond the fact that it's a standard is the pattern that it's normalizing. The pattern is one where the user logically authenticates to their phone, whether it be with a fingerprint or a pin, but the authentication is local. Then, leveraging the phone's capabilities -- storage, crypto, connectivity. etc. -- the phone authenticates to the server. It's that pattern of a local authentication followed by a server authentication that I think we are going to see over and over.
Gardner: Thank you, Paul. It seems to me that most people are onboard with this. I know that, as a user, I'm happy to have the device authenticate. I think developers would love to have this authentication move to a context on a network or with other variables brought to bear. They can create whole new richer services when they have a context for participation. It seems to me the enterprises are onboard too. So there's a lot of potential momentum around this. What does it take now to move the needle forward? What should we expect to hear at CIS?
Moving forward
Diodati: There are two dimensions to moving the needle forward: avoiding the failures of prior mobile authentication systems, and ensuring that modern authentication systems support critical applications. Both are crucial to the success of any authentication system, including FIDO.
At CIS, we have an in-depth, three-hour FIDO workshop and many mobile authentication sessions.
There are a couple of things that I like about FIDO. First, it can use the biometric capabilities of the device. Many smart phones have an accelerometer, a camera, and a microphone. We can get a really good initial authentication. Also, FIDO leverages public-key technology, which overcomes some of the concerns we have around other kinds of technologies, particularly one-time passwords.
Madsen: To that last point Mark, I think FIDO and SAML, or more recent federation protocols, complement each other wonderfully. FIDO is a great authentication technology, and federation historically has not resolved that. Federation didn't claim to answer that issue, but if you put the two together, you get a very strong initial authentication. Then, you're able to broadcast that out to the applications that you want to access. And that's a strong combination.
Barrett: One of the things that we haven't really mentioned here -- and Paul just hinted at it -- is the relationship between single sign-on and authentication. When you talk to many organizations, they look at that as two different sides of the same coin. So the better application or ubiquity you can get, and the more applications you can sign the user on with less interaction, is a good thing.
Gardner: Before we go a little bit deeper into what's coming up, let's take another pause and look back. There have been some attempts to solve these problems. Many, I suppose, have been from a perspective of a particular vendor or a type of device or platform or, in an enterprise sense, using what they already know or have.
We've had containerization and virtualization on the mobile tier. It is, in a sense, going back to the past where you go right to the server and very little is done on the device other than the connection. App wrapping would fall under that as well, I suppose. What have been the pros and cons and why isn't containerization enough to solve this problem? Let's start with Michael.
Barrett: If you look back historically, what we've tended to see are lot of attempts that are truly proprietary in nature. Again, my own philosophy on this is that proprietary technology is really great for many things, but there are certain domains that simply need a strong standards-based backplane.
There really hasn't been an attempt at this for some years. Pretty much, we have to go back to X.509 to see the last major standards-based push at solving authentication. But X.509 came with a whole bunch of baggage, as well as architectural assumptions around a very disconnected world view that is kind of antithetical to where we are today, where we have a very largely connected world view.
I tend to think of it through that particular set of lenses, which is that the standards attempts in this area are old, and many of the approaches that have been tried over the last decade have been proprietary.
For example, on my old team at PayPal, I had a small group of folks who surveyed security vendors. I remember asking them to tell me how many authentication vendors there were and to plot that for me by year?
Growing number of vendors
They sighed heavily, because their database wasn't organized that way, but then came back a couple of weeks later. Essentially they said that in 2007, it was 30-odd vendors, and it has been going up by about a dozen a year, plus or minus some, ever since, and we're now comfortably at more than 100.
Any market that has 100 vendors, none of whose products interoperate with each other, is a failing market, because none of those vendors, bar only a couple, can claim very large market share. This is just a market where we haven't seen the right kind of approaches deployed, and as a result, we're struck where we are today without doing something different.
Gardner: Paul, any thoughts on containerization, pros and cons?
Madsen: I think of phones as almost two completely orthogonal aspects. First is how you can leverage the phone to authenticate the user. Whether it's FIDO or something proprietary, there's value in that.
Secondly is the phone as an application platform, a means to access potentially sensitive applications. What mobile applications introduce that's somewhat novel is the idea of pulling down that sensitive business data to the device, where it can be more easily lost or stolen, given the mobility and the size of those devices.
The challenge for the enterprise is, if you want to enable your employees with devices, or enable them to bring their own in, how do you protect that data. It seems more and more important, or recognized as the challenge, that you can't.
The challenge is not only protecting the data, but keeping the usage of the phone separate. IT, arguably and justifiably, wants to protect the business data on it, but the employee, particularly in a BYOD case, wants to keep their use of the phone isolated and private.
So containerization or dual-persona systems attempt to slice and dice the phone up into two or more pieces. What is missing from those models, and it's changing, is a recognition that, by definition, that's an identity problem. You have two identities—the business user and the personal user—who want to use the same device, and you want to compartmentalize those two identities, for both security and privacy reasons.
Identity standards and technologies could play a real role in keeping those pieces separate.The employee might use Box for the business usage, but might also use it for personal usage. That's an identity problem, and identity will keep those two applications and their usages separate.
Diodati: To build on that a little bit, if you take a look at the history of containerization, there were some technical problems and some usability problems. There was a lack of usability that drove an acceptance problem within a lot of enterprises. That's changing over time.
To talk about what Michael was talking about in terms of the failure of other standardized approaches to authentication, you could look back at OATH, which is maybe the last big industry push, 2004-2005, to try to come up with a standard approach, and it failed on interoperability. OATH was a one-time password, multi-vendor capability. But in the end, you really couldn't mix and match devices. Interoperability is going to be a big, big criteria for acceptance of FIDO. [See more on identity standards and APIs.]
Mobile device management
Gardner: Another thing out there in the market now, and it has gotten quite a bit of attention from enterprises as they are trying to work through this, is mobile device management (MDM). Do you have any thoughts, Mark, on why that has not necessarily worked out or won't work out? What are the pros and cons of MDM?
Diodati: Most organizations of a certain size are going to need an enterprise mobility management solution. There is a whole lot that happens behind the scenes in terms of binding the user's identity, perhaps putting a certificate on the phone.
Michael talked about X.509. That appears to be the lowest common denominator for authentication from a mobile device today, but that can change over time. We need ways to be able to authenticate users, perhaps issue them certificates on the phone, so that we can do things like IPSec.
Also, we may be required to give some users access to offline secured data. That's a combination of apps and enterprise mobility management (EMM) technology. In a lot of cases, there's an EMM gateway that can really help with giving offline secure access to things that might be stored on network file shares or in SharePoint, for example.
If there's been a stumbling block with EMM, it's just been that the heterogeneity of the devices, making it a challenge to implement a common set of policies.
But also the technology of EMM had to mature. We went from BlackBerry Enterprise Server, which did a pretty good job in a homogeneous world, but maybe didn't address everybody's needs. The AirWatchs and the Mobile Irons of the world, they've had to deal with heterogeneity and increased functionality.
Madsen: The fundamental issue with MDM is, as the name suggests, that you're trying to manage the device, as opposed to applications or data on the device. That worked okay when the enterprise was providing employees with their BlackBerry, but it's hard to reconcile in the BYOD world, where users are bringing in their own iPhones or Androids. In their mind, they have a completely justified right to use that phone for personal applications and usage.
So some of the mechanisms of MDM remain relevant, being able to wipe data off the phone, for example, but the device is no longer the appropriate granularity. It's some portion of the device that the enterprise is authoritative over.
Gardner: It seems to me, though, that we keep coming back to several key concepts: authentication and identity, and then, of course, a standardization approach that ameliorates those interoperability and heterogeneity issues. [See more on a new vision for identity.]
So let's look at identity and authentication. Some people make them interchangeable. How should we best understand them as being distinct? What's the relationship between them and why are they so essential for us to move to a new architecture for solving these issues? Let's start with you, Michael.
Identity is center
Barrett: I was thinking about this earlier. I remember having some arguments with Phil Becker back in the early 2000s when I was running the Liberty Alliance, which was the standards organization that came up with SAML 2.0. Phil coined that phrase, "Identity is center," and he used to argue that essentially everything fell under identity.
What I thought back then, and still largely do, is that identity is a broad and complex domain. In a sense, as we've let it grow today, they're not the same thing. Authentication is definitely a sub-domain of security, along with a whole number of others. We talked about containerization earlier, which is a kind of security-isolation technique in many regards. But I am not sure that identity and authentication are exactly in the same dimension.
In fact, the way I would describe it is that if we talk about something like the levels-of-assurance model, we're all fairly familiar with in the identity sense. Today, if you look at that, that's got authentication and identity verification concepts bound together.
In fact, I suspect that in the coming year or two, we're probably going to have to decouple those and say that it's not really a linear one-dimensonal thing, with level one, level two, level three, and level four. Rather it's a kind of two-dimensional metric, where we have identity verification concepts on one side and then authentication comes from the other. Today, we've collapsed them together, and I am not sure we have actually done anybody any favors by doing that.
Definitely, they're closely related. You can look at some of the difficulties that we've had with identity over the last decade and say that it's because we actually ignored the authentication aspect. But I'm not sure they're the same thing intrinsically.
Gardner: Interesting. I've heard people say that any high-level security mobile device has to be about identity. How else could it possibly work? Authentication has to be part of that, but identity seems to be getting more traction in terms of a way to solve these issues across all other variables and to be able to adjust accordingly over time and even automate by a policy.
Mark, how do you see identity and authentication? How important is identity as a new vision for solving these problems?
Diodati: You would have to put security at the top, and identity would be a subset of things that happen within security. Identity includes authorization -- determining if the user is authorized to access the data. It also includes provisioning. How do we manipulate user identities within critical systems -- there is never one big identity in the sky. Identity includes authentication and a couple of other things.
To answer the second part of your question, Dana, in the role of identity and trying to solve these problems, we in the identity community have missed some opportunities in the past to talk about identity as the great enabler.
With mobile devices, we want to have the ability to enforce basic security controls , but it's really about identity. Identity can enable so many great things to happen, not only just for enterprises, but within the digital economy at large. There's a lot of opportunity if we can orient identity as an enabler.
Authentication and identity
Madsen: I just think authentication is something we have to do to get to identity. If there were no bad people in the world and if people didn't lie, we wouldn't need authentication.
We would all have a single identifier, we would present ourselves, and nobody else would lay claim to that identifier. There would be no need for strong authentication. But we don't live there. Identity is fundamental, and authentication is how we lay claim to a particular identity.
Diodati: You can build the world's best authorization policies. But they are completely worthless, unless you've done the authentication right, because you have zero confidence that the users are who they say there are.
Gardner: So, I assume that multifactor authentication also is in the subset. It's just a way of doing it better or more broadly, and more variables and devices that can be brought to bear. Is that correct?
Madsen: Indeed.
Diodati: The definition of multifactor has evolved over time too. In the past, we talked about "strong authentication". What we mean was "two-factor authentication," and that is really changing, particularly when you look at some of the emerging technologies like FIDO.
If you have to look at the broader trends around adaptive authentication, the relationship to the user or the consumer is more distant. We have to apply a set of adaptive techniques to get better identity assurance about the user.
Gardner: I'm just going to make a broad assumption here that the authentication part of this does get solved, that multifactor authentication, adaptive, using devices that people are familiar with, that they are comfortable doing, even continuing to use many of the passwords, single sign-on, all that gets somehow rationalized.
Then, we're elevated to this notion of identity. How do we then manage that identity across these domains? Is there a central repository? Is there a federation? How would a standard come to bear on that major problem of the federation issue, control, and management and updating and so forth? Let's go back to Michael on that.
Barrett: I tend to start from a couple of different perspectives on this. One is that we do have to fix the authentication standards problem, and that's essentially what FIDO is trying to do.
So, if you accept that FIDO solves authentication, what you are left with is an evolution of a set of standards that, over the last dozen years or so, starting with SAML 2.0, but then going on up through the more recent things like OpenID Connect and OAuth 2.0, and so on, gives you a robust backplane for building whatever business arrangement is appropriate, given the problem you are trying to solve.
I chose the word "business" quite consciously in there, because it's fair to say that there are certain classes of models that have stalled out commercially for a whole bunch of reasons, particularly around the dreaded L-word, i.e, liability.
We tried to build things that were too complicated. We could just describe this grand long-term vision of what the universe looked like. Andrew Nash is very fond of saying that we can describe this rich ecosystem as identity-enabled services and so on, but you can't get there from here, which is the punch line of a rather old joke.
Gardner: Mark, we understand that identity is taking on a whole new level of importance. Are there some examples that we can look to that illustrate how an identity-centric approach to security, governance, manageability for mobile tier activities, even ways it can help developers bring new application programming interfaces (APIs) into play and context for commerce and location, are things we haven't even scratched the surface of yet really?
Help me understand, through an example rather than telling, how identity fits into this and what we might expect identity to do if all these things can be managed, standards, and so forth.
Diodati: Identity is pretty broad when you take a look at the different disciplines that might be at play. Let's see if we can pick out a few.
We have spoken about authentication a lot. Emerging standards like FIDO are important, so that we can support applications that require higher assurance levels with less cost and usability problems.
A difficult trend to ignore is the API-first development modality. We're talking about things like OAuth and OpenID Connect. Both of those are very important, critical standards when we start talking about the use of API- and even non-API HTTP based stuff.
OpenID Connect, in particular, gives us some abilities for users to find where they want to authenticate and give them access to the data they need. The challenge is that the mobile app is interacting on behalf of a user. How do you actually apply things like adaptive techniques to an API session to raise identity assurance levels? Given that OpenID Connect was just ratified earlier this year, we're still in early stages of how that's going to play out.
Gardner: Michael, any thoughts on examples, use cases, a vision for how this should work in the not too distant future?
Barrett: I'm a great believer in open standards, as I think I have shown throughout the course of this discussion. I think that OpenID Connect, in particular, and the fact that we now have that standard ratified, [is useful]. I do believe that the standards, to a very large extent, allow the creation of deployments that will address those use-cases that have been really quite difficult [without these standards in place].
Ahead of demand
The problem that you want to avoid, of course, is that you don't want a standard to show up too far ahead of the demand. Otherwise, what you wind up with is just some interesting specification that never gets implemented, and nobody ever bothers deploying any of the implementations of it.
So, I believe in just-in-time standards development. As an industry, identity has matured a lot over the last dozen years. When SAML 2.0 came along in Shibboleth, it was a very federation-centric world, addressing a very small class of use cases. Now, we have a more robust sets of standards. What's going to be really interesting is to see, how those new standards get used to address use cases that the previous standards really couldn't?
I'm a bit of a believer in sort of Darwinian evolution on this stuff and that, in fact, it's hard to predict the future now. Niels Bohr famously said, "Prediction is hard, especially when it involves the future." There is a great deal of truth to that.
Gardner: Hopefully we will get some clear insights at the Cloud Identity Summit this month, July 19, and there will be more information to be had there.
I also wonder whether we're almost past the point now when we talk about mobile security, cloud security, data-center security. Are we going to get past that, or is this going to become more of a fabric of security that the standards help to define and then the implementations make concrete? Before we sign off, Mark, any last thoughts about moving beyond segments of security into a more pervasive concept of security?
Diodati: We're already starting to see that, where people are moving towards software as a service (SaaS) and moving away from on-premises applications. Why? A couple of reasons. The revenue and expense model lines up really well with what they are doing, they pay as they grow. There's not a big bang of initial investment. Also, SaaS is turnkey, which means that much of the security lifting is done by the vendor.
That's also certainly true with infrastructure as a service (IaaS). If you look at things like Amazon Web Services (AWS). It is more complicated than SaaS, it is a way to converge security functions within the cloud.
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Huichica Music Festival
Music, Food and Libations, featuring Deschutes Brewery!
Fri, Jun 13 - Sat, Jun 14
6 pm - 10 pm
Gundlach Bundschu Winery
2000 Denmark St.Sonoma, CA
(707) 938-5277
The main stage area is outdoors, situated on a beautiful grassy hill that is a fantastic place to relax and enjoy some Deschutes Brewery beers. Gundlach Bundschu Winery encourages blankets or low-back beach chairs (those that sit near the ground) and flat, walking shoes for you to be comfortable during the music festival. There isn't any shade in much of the General Admission areas so pack some sunscreen, a hat and get ready to enjoy a day in the sun! And be aware that at night when the sun goes down the temperature drops drastically and it can get pretty chilly, so wear layers.
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The Good One! is a fundraiser for Face to Face.
Sat, Jun 7
1 pm - 5 pm
Wells Fargo Center for the Arts
50 Mark West Springs RoadSanta Rosa, CA
(707) 544-1581
Beerfest is an annual festive microbrew and food tasting extravaganza with more than 60 microbreweries, including Deschutes Brewery, featuring over 120 unique brews and lots of wonderful Sonoma County gourmet food purveyors. One ticket price gets you in the door and includes unlimited tasting of all the beer and food at the event, as well as a souvenir Beerfest glass. Beerfest – The Good One! is a fundraiser for Face to Face.
Beer-lesque: Tastings and Tassels!
Deschutes Brewery Beer and Burlesque = Beer-lesque!
Fri, May 30
7 pm - 10 pm
Old Stone Church
157 NW Franklin Ave.Bend , OR
(541) 385-8606
What's better than an evening full of craft beer from Deschutes Brewery? An evening full of craft beer…coupled with some comedy, variety acts, and lovely burlesque ladies. The event will be emceed by the one and only Naughty Pierre from Denver, Colorado, who recently hosted one of the largest burlesque festivals of last year and hosted Beer-lesque last year in Bend for Central Oregon Beer Week.
Seattle Beer Week Deschutes Brewery Night at Chuck's on 85th
Help us take over Chuck's Hop Shop!
Thu, May 15
5 pm
Chuck's Hop Shop
656 NW 85th St.Seattle, WA
(206) 297-6212
Deschutes Brewery takes over for Seattle Beer Week! We are tapping some reserves, plus the usual suspects! Enjoy Deschutes Brewery beer and maybe even win some prizes!
Seattle Beer Week at Tippe Drague
A Neighborhood Alehouse on Beacon Hill, Seattle!
Wed, May 14
5 pm
3315 Beacon Hill Ave SSeattle, WA
(206) 538-0994
Check out Seattle Beer Week and help tap some of Deschutes Brewery's best reserves and Bond Streets series brews. Deschutes Brewery Ambassadors will be on-site raffling off swag and other surprises!
Seattle Beer Week, Full Throttle Bottles Tasting
Try new Deschutes Brewery beers!
Wed, Apr 9
5 pm - 8 pm
Full Throttle Bottles
5909 Airport Way SSeattle, WA
(206) 763-2079
Deschutes Brewery tasting and swag giveaways! Don't miss the fun!
Vertical Flight Night in Bend!
Flights of The Abyss, Black Butte Anniversary, Barley Wines & more...
Tue, May 6
6 pm - 9 pm
Platypus Pub
1203 NE 3rd St.Bend, OR
Join us for a beer tasting of EPIC proportions! We'll be pulling out all of the stops at Platypus Pub and co-hosting a vertical flight night!
Enjoy these favorites:
The Abyss 2011, 2012, 2013
Black Butte XXIV, XXV
Mirror Mirror and Class of '88 Barley Wines
Fresh Squeezed IPA & Pinedrops IPA
See you there...
Enjoy these favorites:
The Abyss 2011, 2012, 2013
Black Butte XXIV, XXV
Mirror Mirror and Class of '88 Barley Wines
Fresh Squeezed IPA & Pinedrops IPA
See you there...
Bicycle Pub Crawl in Austin!
Grab a bike & follow us to the next pub stop!
Thu, May 15
5 pm - 10 pm
The Peddler
5015 Duval St.Austin, TX
Join Deschutes Brewery and Stone Brewing Company for a Bicycle Pub Crawl to some awesome spots in Austin! We'll be hanging out at The Peddler Bike Shop from 5-5:45pm and then taking off from there.
We're cruise next to Flying Saucer from 6-7pm, then to Haymaker from 7:30-8:30pm and lastly to Draught House from 9-10pm.
We're cruise next to Flying Saucer from 6-7pm, then to Haymaker from 7:30-8:30pm and lastly to Draught House from 9-10pm.
First Friday at the Pub w/a Celebration of Twilight Summer Ale & Hop in the Dark
Live music & tasty beer down at the Bend Pub!
Fri, May 2
6 pm - 10 pm
Deschutes Brewery Bend Public House
1044 NW Bond StreetBend, OR
(541) 382-9242
Join us for a toast at Twilight with Brewmaster, Cam O'Connor around 7:45pm-ish. Cheers!
Springtacular Concert Series
Party in the outdoor snow lounge!
Sat, May 24 - Sun, May 25
12 pm - 3 pm
Mt. Bachelor
13000 SW Century DriveBend, OR
(800) 829-2442
Enjoy live music with your favorite Deschutes Brewery beer in Mt Bachelor's outdoor snow lounge (weather permitting). This Saturday enjoy the sounds of Yogoman Burning Band. YBB plays Jamaica New Orleans Dance Riddims loved by all-ages and backgrounds, with a distinguished vocal based rhythm centric songwriting style and Rain leading the group, singing from the drum set. Groove with a beer in hand and all will be amazing! Cheers...


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Thread: Strike !!!!!!
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Strike !!!!!!
Before anyone starts flaming me..... I do not want to put anyone in danger or allow them to loose any property, but we have to do something.
I'm sure this is not the best solution (not my favorite), however I will stand behind my Brothers and Sisters.
Just want to hear some opinions.
Here is a link to the Newspaper article.http://nwitimes.com/articles/2005/08...520007b63e.txt
All the TV stations are talking about it, but I can't find a link.
I'm sure I'll have more soon.
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Bad Link?????
That didn't work !!!!
One More Try......
A little way down the page:
Gary Firefighters Authorize Strike
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Public safety departments in Massachusetts are forbidden to strike by state law. By our contract, we cannot engage in any work stoppage or slowdown.
I think that the Gary Firefighters will end up shooting themselves in the foot if they go on strike."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
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I hear ya Cap!
......Yeah, we do a lot of foot shootin' around here!
We were advised by our legal council.
We will be ordered back to work as soon as it happens.
......More later
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I've unfortuneately been through Gary,IN and I've met some brothers from there. That city is circiling the toilet, has been for years.
I feel your pain...No realistic raises to pay the bills and for the record Truckie many on here probably don't understand the type of environment you are working under there bro. What is it one of your houses has for their patch? "We don't go to work...We go to War!" Anyone who has seen Gary IN would understand why.
To relate it to other areas for those not in the know in terms of crime, fires and money problems it is as bad if not worse than, East St. Louis,IL; Camden,NJ;Kansas City, Kansas;Toledo, Ohio;Lawrence, MA or any other smaller, former working, class suburb. While areas of New York, LA, Chicago, Philly, Baltimore, DC...etc have ghettos the type of situation you find yourself in is much different where the entire city is economicly depressed.
I doubt you can relate your circumstances to many people on here as it seems to me live in and work in comfortable cities with relatively good pay, low crime and nice facilites. Also combine that with many who take themselves way too seriously as if we are priests who have taken a vow of poverty. Many have extreemly idolistic views and it leads me to believe they never lived paycheck to paycheck.
Also as for shooting yourselves in the foot...can't get any lower than the bottom...aka=Gary.
My dept called a strike before and so has the police dept here in the 1970s. For the cops anyhow it paid off in big dividens at the time.
I wish you guys the best and always remember to look out for your family and the brothers first...then you can worry about the unsympathetic and unapricative public.
You can't ruin public perception if they already don't care about you.
08-04-2005, 11:21 PM #6To relate it to other areas for those not in the know in terms of crime, fires and money problems it is as bad if not worse than, East St. Louis,IL; Camden,NJ;Kansas City, Kansas;Toledo, OhioIACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
"but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115
Hey GhettoTruck, I'm sure whatever you guys in Gary decide to do Your brothers in the IAFF will back you to the hilt. A strike is rough no matter where, but in the fire service it's doubly hard. I'm just glad in my jurisdiction we have binding arbitrationA'int No Rocket Scientist's in The Firehall
Your brothers in the IAFF will back you to the hilt.Proud Right-Wing Extremist since 1992
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Not a strike per-say
You can picket city hall off duty. You can take out full page ads in the newspaper. You can let the public know just how MUCH the city leaders care about the people they serve.
There are ways of sending a message without a work stoppage or slowdown.
Good luck to you guys in Gary.IAFF
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We will not stop working.......Period.
We will, however, be doing an "Informational Picket" (1 day only) to get our message out to the public.
How it is here.............some understand, some have no clue.
Wages are just the begining, not the only thing we have had long standing issues with.
Tiller: It is against the law to strike..... We should be "Locked Up" if we strike.
Slap in the face
I like "urban blight"......I would just prefer a little better compensation and better working conditions in return for showing up every day.
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Sorry Ghetto, I thought you were advocating a strike.
Yeah, any public safety employee who strikes should be tossed in the klink.Proud Right-Wing Extremist since 1992
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Ghettotruck - I spent the first 18 years of my life just south of Merillville. I've been to your city plenty of times. Heck, the last time I was there we were coming back from Chicago and when we finally got through Gary I had a bullet hole in my truck.
Keep trying guys. It'll happen. Never give up.
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History of firefighter strikes
Municipal firefighters have gone on strike in three periods in the last fifty years.
They went on strike for better working conditions between 1918 1921
These strikes forced municipal governments to go to a two-platoon system, increase pay or gain the right to form a labor organization that would be recognized by the municipality.
The aftermath of the Boston Police Strike that started on Sept 9, 1919, reduced the value of strikes and labor organizations. Twenty percent of new firefighter locals withdrew from the IAFF in 1920 in response to the public furor after the BPD strike.
They went on strike to preserve wages and staffing between 1931 1933
The 1929 stock market crash started the Great Depression. One local went on strike because it had not been paid by the city for two months. Seattle firefighters were required to take two 25 day furloughs in 1933 the city also closed seven fire stations and eliminated eight engine companies, two hose companies, two fire boats and one truck company.
A study of 39 firefighter strikes and lockouts between 1900 and 1937 showed about half of the strikes resulted in partial or complete victory by labor. The survey showed only one large loss fire during a strike an industrial fire in Pittsburgh
They went on strike for staffing, wages and contracts between 1973 - 1980
Most of these strikes occurred after labor and management reached an impasse while negotiating a new contract. Many cities were facing bankruptcy. New York City laid off 40,000 city employees on July 2, 1975 including 1600 FDNY firefighters. While 700 were hired back within 30 days, 900 lost their permanent jobs. It took over two years for FDNY to rehire the laid-off firefighters that wanted to come back on the job.
FDNY went on a 5.5 hour strike in 1973
San Francisco went on a 38 day strike in 1975
Memphis firefighters, police, teachers and sanitation workers were on strike in 1978
Chicago went on strike for 23 days in 1980
Unlike the firefighter strikes between 1900 and 1939, the strikes between 1973 and 1980 were not very successful. Many municipalities passed ordinances making it illegal for public safety workers to strike. Generally, there was a net loss in terms of pay, benefits or other firefighter issues when the strike was settled.
Changes in the federal response also affect the value of strikes. While strikes were illegal, the 1970 strike by the postal employees resulted in the type of success that pre-1940 firefighter strikes enjoyed.
There was a different response to the 1981 strike by the air traffic controllers. PATCO, the labor organization, was at an impasse with the Federal Aviation Administration. Recalling the Boston 1919 strike, President Reagan fired every striking employee and decertified the union. None of the striking PATCO workers were ever hired back. Many of the PATCO officials were subjected to years of aggressive litigation by the federal government.
For more information go to:
Chapter 5: Organized Labor and the Fire Officer
Fire Officer: Principles and Practice
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Much of this information was from a report I submitted in 1990 about municipal firefighter strikes for a research institution. I spent a couple of days at the National Fire Academy library and found very little information about the 1973-1980 strikes. If you only referenced the fire service trade publications you would have had little awareness of the significant turmoil most large city fire departments were going through.
Tillerman25 a PGFD fire commissioners dad was part of the 1970 postal worker strike. Should he have been fired for participating in an illegal strike of a federal employee?
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Would the Postal Strike have caused Injury, Death or Loss of property? If so, yes.
Any "public safety" employee who is striking, is not working. If a group of "public safety" employees don't work, than the public is not safe, and they should be fired or have criminal charges brought against them.Proud Right-Wing Extremist since 1992
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08-07-2005, 03:05 PM #15Originally Posted by TillerMan25A'int No Rocket Scientist's in The Firehall
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When the public is put in jeopardy because Public Safety employees can't play nice with city managers, IT IS MY BUSINESS! SCREW YOUR UNION!~
This is the EXACT reason why Public Safety Unions are BAD for services. The public is always on the bad end of some STUPID LABOR DISAGREEMENT.
Any Firefighter who would consider a strike PERIOD should be working in a fricking DRIVE THRU.
I love to hear you Union Guys cry about getting terrible pay for something I do for FREE!Proud Right-Wing Extremist since 1992
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Actually no, you don't get to screw my union. Thanfully, more intelligent people then you usually end up running the country and the country's judiciary. Otherwise we could end up with the same sort of dictatorship that the Nazi's espoused. IIRC they did not like unions either.
Go take your anti-union tirades elsewhereA'int No Rocket Scientist's in The Firehall
ding ding .................I think it gonna "be on" !IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
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08-07-2005, 07:56 PM #19There was a different response to the 1981 strike by the air traffic controllers. PATCO, the labor organization, was at an impasse with the Federal Aviation Administration. Recalling the Boston 1919 strike, President Reagan fired every striking employee and decertified the union. None of the striking PATCO workers were ever hired back. Many of the PATCO officials were subjected to years of aggressive litigation by the federal government.
When you decide (note the word-decide) to become an employee of an agency, a fire department, that is charged with protecting the public you now have a moral obligation to fulfill your duties. While all steps up to but not including a strike are understandable, a strike hurts innocent people - people who pay their tax dollars for protection.
Now having been a member of the IAFF I support wholeheartedly pay and benefits for the fire service. We all are paid far less than we deserve. We must raise families and have injuries taken care of-we deserve excellent healthcare and good wages. But that will not always be the case. Such is the lot of public service.
The great thing about this Republic is that you can choose to find another department or career. No one forces you to be a firefighter. This is not Poland in the 70's or the former Soviet Union. You have a choice.Jacktee
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When the public is put in jeopardy because Public Safety employees can't play nice with city managers, IT IS MY BUSINESS! SCREW YOUR UNION!~
This is the EXACT reason why Public Safety Unions are BAD for services. The public is always on the bad end of some STUPID LABOR DISAGREEMENT.
Any Firefighter who would consider a strike PERIOD should be working in a fricking DRIVE THRU.
I love to hear you Union Guys cry about getting terrible pay for something I do for FREE!
We went for 7 years without a raise here in Lexington, KY. Our healthcare costs increased and I was actually taking home less each year. Our platoon had 22 quit for other jobs in a two year period. Prior to that it was unheard of for anyone to leave on their own. Of the 22, 15 were paramedics, forcing more green paramedics to ride solo without any experienced medics to back them up, is that good for service? How did we get there?
Government hired a consultant to look at how to do things better. They proposed a new pay system with merit pay to replace the existing system of step increases. This changed for all government employees. They removed to ordinance for the step system but never put one in for the new merit system. For the next seven years we were told there was no money in the budget. The % of budget for salaries and benefits went from 54% of the budget to 46% after the new system. The government found the money to start a Purchase Development Rights for farm land in the county, attempted to condem the local water company, and even had faux brick crosswalks instaleld downtown. Is this good for the public?
Moral was at a all time low. Most were working two or three jobs to keep afloat. Is this good for the public? Disability claims rocketed up, was better to be disabled than be on duty. Is this good for the public?
The police lost even more than we did. Think they lost 20% of their department in the same time period. Is that good for the public?
The only thing that stopped this was the local IAFF and FOP. The local council kept dragging their feet, so we went to the state. The state changed the statute and allowed for police and firefighters in our type city the right to collective bargain. In the law the only person in the local government who has to sign is the mayor, without any ratification by the council.
Contrary to your anti-union stance we did not screw the city. We got to the level we would have been at under the old system with all the needed adjustments due to inflation, etc... No one has left. Some of the old timers are staying (30 year Captain still on the job). Moral is up.
Now is our public better off with the union or without? Would low moral, unqualified personnel, inexperienced firefighters be better?
Now stay in your job pretend you don't get a raise in seven years and see how you feel. You'd switch jobs.
As you can see there are always two sides to the disagreement. You cannot just point at the union and say bad, bad, bad. There is always the government side, the side that would sell their own kids to get re-elected. It is not always the union side.
As for the strike idea, do some research and see what is allowed. Work stoppage would get everyone striking a nice trip to jail. We can do informational pickets to inform the public of what is happening and what the consequences are. Work slow downs, red flu, and anything else that causes disruption of service is illegal.
08-07-2005, 09:56 PM #21Originally Posted by TillerMan25
Originally Posted by TillerMan25
Originally Posted by TillerMan25
Unfortunately, some places are interested in screwing their employees out of everything they can. It's good to have an organization to fight for our rights as employees.
I love to hear you Union Guys cry about getting terrible pay for something I do for FREE!
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Your bitterness, ignorance and imatutrity is almost unbelivable...but comming from a vollie makes it more believable. I guess when you are chosen and promoted based on popularity and politics this is the intelligent thought process that one gets.
Oh by the way...you've never done what we've done...Ever. (That includes supporting a family on our wages.) You can whine and bitch like the C*nt you apear to be...however it will still not change the fact that you are a volly buff(who if I recall needs to loose a few pounds) who wishes he got the respect he was seeking when he joined the East Cupcake Vol FD. Why did someone like you volly??? I'm sure it was so when at the bar you could claim you were a fireman...despite you actually work the fryer at Popeys Chicken. Many of you guys have the same MO....You didn't volunteer to be a plumber, traffic agent, Is that because you couldn't get a blue light and wear buffy T-Shirts from the last parade.
Considering we are getting paid much more money than you are to do supposedly "the same thing" it would appear that you are the biggest fool out there...You are more than welcome to deprive your family of your time and company for less than market rate compensation...I'm sure your family enjoys not having you around...your kids most of all will benefit from the absence of your pompus & arogant attitude.
All your neighbors who are getting you to save them the expense of a higher tax rate, I'm sure are laughing all the way to the bank.
08-08-2005, 08:01 AM #23but comming from a vollie makes it more believable.A'int No Rocket Scientist's in The Firehall
08-08-2005, 09:15 AM #24Originally Posted by cozmosis
The Unions mission is to work for its members, and secure a better wage and working conditions..Thats why I am a member of a union and will do what I have too, in order to make my life and my families life more secure and better.
Tiller you are a very warped and spoiled person and it's a shame, it appears that your mouth move's before your brain is booted up, there is no doubt in my mind that you will lose your job because your mouth will get you in trouble. The justice will be you crying how you got screwed and what a jerk your employer is.....but you will take it like a man and bad mouth them every chance you getIACOJ Membership 2002
Mike IAFF
The beatings will continue until the morale improves
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Ghettotruck is still in a mess. That is why we are here, to support our brothers and to learn. Isn't it?? For those of you who have never been to Gary, let alone fought a fire there, (GTruck, I used to do ridealongs back in the days of Squad2 and HIT2 and usually rode on Capt. Barksdales turn.) you cannot imagine the set of hazards and difficult situations they are in every day. Gary is a city swirling around the bottom of the bowl trying desperately to hold on. Some of the houses anre in BAD shape, (I remember old house 2 very well, with the burned out building behind it. Arson fire, Reggie told me.) Pay is bad, working conditions are bad, workload is insane. Especially for the Medics. I know a guy at 4's, who never looks rested even after two days off. The OT they are pulling because of staffing, the burnout rate on the EMS side is horrible.
I feel for you brother. I hope a strike will not be necessary, but I can understand the desperation that you guys feel, almost hopelessness is the reason STRIKE even came into the vocab. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the vollies in the area will support you. Ask the Hobart guys what we said in S.Haven when their Mayor was trying to put them back to a messed up kind of combo dept. We said NO. So did Union, Lake Station, and all the rest around Hobart. The Brotherhood is strong in this area. We are all firefighters and we stand alone together! I know lots of vols who support the career guys and lots of career guys who go to fund raisers for the local vols departments. For all you twits on both sides of this fence, get a CLUE!!!
WE ARE ALL IN THIS THING TOGETHER!I.A.C.O.J. Charter Member
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