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"you had to be there" leaves
Some species' leaves don't photograph well - maybe they feel funky to the touch, or maybe they come in tones even expensive cameras can't reproduce, or they have the sharpest edge, or an unusual succulence, or a crinkly edge, or raised veins, or a recurved edge not typically visible in 2D, or... or...
Sometimes googling images just isn't enough to get a feel is what I'm saying. Let's talk about what surprised you in some hoya species' leaves when you got them or saw them in person.
I'll start.
H. litoralis: the leaves look like nothing special at all, but the undersides feel like the gentlest nail file ever. There's a rough velvet sort of feel to them. I am very glad I got it.
H. DS-70: the tops of leaves is what you normally see in foliage pictures, and yes, they are alright - but the edges are recurved and the undersides covered with very short very dense hairs - they feel like velvet. I think this one is due the props it deserves but surprisingly rarely gets, despite its seeming ubiquity.
H. curtisii: another one that is relatively wide in circulation. The splotches and the adorable leaf shape and the copper coloration in high light and the cute growing habit - all of that is google'able - but have you noticed that mature leaves feel like buttons on an expensive men's dress shirt? The proportions feel right for it (leaves are thick and rounded, except for the apex of course), and the nice tactile feel is present as well. I've actually noticed this just now as I was going around my trays feeling all the leaves for this thread - despite growing it since last fall. :-) By the way, do not feel that leaf too enthusiastically - petioles are very crunchy and feel like they will snap right off.
H. macgillivrayii / onychoides / archboldiana: this was mentioned by GG and Denise previously. Goth-looking leaves, apparently, that do not photograph well. My cutting of macgillivrayi is new and recovering, so I personally cannot be the judge of that till new leaves grow.
Some species are on my list partially because I suspect they belong to this list and I want to look at them up close and personally. Does this make sense? Here:
* caudata (hairy top surface, jagged-knife-looking edge),
* sp. DML 5655B IML 1398 EPC 653 (surface looks like it would feel sandpapery),
* erythrina (wavy edge with raised veins - that must feel even better than it looks),
* clemensiorum (it looks like a veiny bodybuilder, but you know, infinitely nicer),
* sp. UT-001 EPC 201 ("I am here to sand your floors" kind of leaves),
* villosa/globulosa (they are somewhat similar, I understand - very dinosaur-looking),
* endauensis (looks similar to but better than kanyakumariana, not as raggedy - those crinkled leaf edges seem touchable and adorable),
* thomsonii (very hairy leaves),
* miralbilis (I don't even know with this one - it looks hairy, or gritty, or pox-faced, or something like that),
* campanulata (what's up with those wavy bubbly leaves?)
And I think I'll stop. What do you have along these lines that you can share with us? Let's keep flowers out of this conversation - they deserve a thread of their own.
You have a pretty nice collection of leaves and I will add a few of my own that don't often get talked about. First if it were up to me, I would ask to take one off your list, as I have grown campanulata for three years now and while it is a great plant, it has only mediocre leaves in my eyes.
Hoya cv. Noelle when mature has leaves as big as my hand with outstanding color and veination with lots of cool red splotches when grown in good light.
Hoya vitellinoides has very large leaves with fantastic dark veination on a light background.
Hoya latifolia just for the dinner plate sized leaves, which get tinged with red on the edges in good light.
Hoya callistophylla does get mentioned a lot, and for good reason. It has some of the hardest leaves with best veination of any Hoya I've seen.
There are many more, but those come quickly to mind
GT, you'll like clemensiorum - the very defined veins are gorgeous and the leaves feel tough as nails. I just got a cutting this spring from Carol and it came with a budding peduncle. Of course, I had to remove the buds (dang!) to improve the rootability, but I'm hopeful that it might rebud before the end of the summer...
Another one that surprised me was patella. Looks a little ordinary in photos, but the leaves are very interesting, kind of fuzzy in a course way (kind of like the difference between shag carpet and berber carpet on your feet!)... And it seems to get a "kiss" of color in the sun...
And I have to mention fungii, whose leaves are always attractive, but every year, mine will put on a few leaves that are extra large and absolutely outstanding...
I really loved it when my variegated verticillata got a whole group of all white leaves...
I've since lost that vine, which isn't unusual, but I sure enjoyed it while I had it!
Denise in Omaha
I've been meaning to respond to this thread since you posted it, GT. I looove the topic, and am just having a hard time finding time to organize my many many MANY thoughts on it.
So I figured I'd just take my collection section by section and pull the plants that I feel fit in this category. Here is today's installment.
This won't be my only australis entry, in fact it's not even my favorite australis, but let's face it, australis is one beautiful Hoya. You know how psychologists proved that we are attracted to faces that are symmetrical and prefer composite images (that average out features) to real faces? To me, australis is like that composite face. Round and full like the moon, perfectly proportioned, with a pure matte spring green color. Then australis ssp. australis has that peachy down all over it, like it's been gift-wrapped for a baby.
Hoya sp. Lata Iskandar (Aleya)
A lot of Hoyas fall into the "you had to be there" category because they have leaves that seem to be made out of special materials. These leaves are firm, thin, round and cupped, but unremarkable except that they have that same faint silky iridescent sheen as cagayanensis. And it's easier to see on this plant because the leaves are broader and catch more light.
Hello, Kunming Kina. A lot of Hoya people like this plant and it's because it's very tolerant and the leaves are atypical for the genus. Classic "rare-plant-that-you-can-trust-a-beginner-with." You can't really tell from photos, but the leaves are thick and plump, like someone inflated them a little bit too much, and their veins dig into their flesh like the scoring on an unbaked loaf of bread. They don't drip or spring from the vine - they just hang stiffly, the way little girls hold their arms away from their bodies when you put a fancy dress on them. It's hard to describe but this is one of those plants where the vine and pedicels are very appealing - smooth and thick like plastic cables - the same is true of meliflua, but, of course, Kunming Kina is a discreet mannerly size.
This is a bit of a departure because you can't see the leaves very well in this photograph and it's not a plant you could just pick up at your local Hoya vendor. This is one of the seedlings from Sue's fungii, maybe crossed with something else. I got it on a trade from a lovely GW member, who grew it, and as you can see the leaves are so heavily splashed they are 75% silver, and of course they have that amazing fuzzy fungii backing to them. I just really like this plant.
Ah, perfect. Now we have a perfect example of GT's criteria. The unphotographable leaf. Dasyantha has such interesting leaves, because they are this inky dark green, but they aren't that thick, so the light shines through them beautifully, creating this subterranean effect like light sluicing through the dark waters of a pond in deepest shade. It has very beautiful ornamental veins that make it look like a gothic window if you catch it right.
NOTE: I purchased this plant as graveolens - please note the IML#, and see the explanation of the naming issue here.
Ah-HA! Another good criteria-meeter. You can barely see the leaves, and I took this photo at the same time and location as the others. It's because these leaves have this silky matte look, like washed silk, and dark green color like something you'd see at the bottom of a well. As black as they are green. I don't even know how to describe what makes them appealing. They're hard and uneven with crisp curling edges, and they're just interesting somehow, like that girl on the subway with the not-pretty-face you couldn't stop staring at. I've always liked this plant from the day I got it.
Actually, this is the plant that oreogena most reminds me of. They have leaves of the same shape and size, except balansae's are kelly green with thick lichen-y camouflage. I just really like the way the surface of the leaves have this rough granular look to them, from the heavy speckling, but when you touch them they are smooth and hard, like stones rolled paper thin, then shaped into leaves.
I don't know whether other people see this plant the same way I do, but I just love to look at it. It's like lacunosa's edgy big sister, with spiky plum-colored hair and long sharp nails. I just love all these plants with small long dark dagger leaves. They look so ornamental and so mean. It's awesome.
"And now for something completely different…"
This is probably the single most eye-catching plant in my collection. I'm not saying it should be, but it is. Even if you bury it in the middle of a flat, it catches your eye every time you walk past, almost like it moved. Which is fitting, because it looks like something that would move on its own.
I bought this plant 100% because I'm a string musician and this is the Hoya named after string instruments. But I ended up liking it a lot more than I thought. Its leaves mayyyybe look like some kind of a lute, but their appeal is in that flat grey-green color, like dry lizard skin or a piece of sea glass. It grows kind of inconveniently, like lobbii, on long arcing stems, but since it's so little that just makes it adorable, as it's always sticking it's arms out and away from the group, showing off its pretties.
If you asked me what one plant out of this group you should buy, I would hem and haw and never give you a clear answer. But if you quick held me out in front of an oncoming subway and wouldn't let go until I gave you an answer, I'd immediately shout "Queson queson queson" because in my gut, I feel this is the most deeply enjoyable Hoya there is. It grows FAST, like a weed. But it's pretty, like a model. Really pretty. It's like velvet wrapped around elegance. You expect even the leaves to smell like perfume.
Look how pretty this is! It's like retusa's big sister! (And then acicularis is teletifolia's big sister!) The reason these plants are so likeable is that they are way out of proportion, like a daddy-long-legs or a praying mantis. They just end up looking like a jumble of bones or a sea creature. A photo can't capture the way every time you pass them, your hands twitch, wanting to gather all those long leaves up in a neat pile, rap them against the table to even it out, and put them back in place, organized.
Cheater! Cheater! A photo can capture how awesome those leaves are!
Yeah, I know. So sue me.
Hoya aff. scortechinii (SRQ 3019)
Ah, now here's a good candidate for sure. I will collect anything with the name scortechinii on it, ever since getting my hands on this little baby. But this is the best one. This is the real deal. The others are not the same, even the real scortechinii that I bought from CB, which is also cool, and will be on this list later. So what is so great about this plant? You can't see it at all from the picture, can you! No, you can't. Well, the leaves are nice. They are thin and crisp, like those expensive mints you get at symphony fundraisers that snap in half with a little snick. They are a cool mint green color, too, with hard sharp edges and a jagged claw tip and a hollow curving belly. But really what makes this plant beautiful is how they grow tightly together, like the huge scales of ornamental plate mail. This, I think, is what LOTR elves must model their armor off of.
Hoya sp. Bogor, Hoya acuta (IML 0079), Hoya pallida
Maybe acuta doesn't look too fancy, but everyone should have one. The leaves are so simple and perfect and elegant, like a raindrop. Even when they are massed together, they look fantastic. This is the no-bad-hair-day plant. The J. Crew model of Hoyas. The one that is so classic you forget to put it on lists, but really, it's what every plant wants to look like. The golden mean. I actually think the leaves on sp. Bogor are a little prettier - longer and darker, so the flecking stands out more, but the internodes are spaced further apart, so it's a toss up.
Speaking of acuta, here is my new love, aff. acuta. Jack calls these leaves "" and even in my conditions you can see an inky spray shimmering over the backs of the leaves. But what really makes these leaves beautiful is the fact they are long smooth spear tips that put all the neighboring leaves to shame with their tame round shapes. This plant is not the warm fuzzy part of the jungle, waiting to be churned up into medicine to cure cancer. Nope, it wants to be on the tip of a poison dart. It's hawkish.
Anyone can photograph a flower, but not everyone can grow them….
Thanks! I'm working on the leaf-photography-skill with mixed success. It's not until you're behind a camera that you realize how our eyes bounce around from spot to spot, taking something in. When you are forced to lock into a single perspective, you have to choose what is the most important detail to show others. You can never have it all with a camera. But that, too, is a blessing, because sometimes our brains don't appreciate what they are seeing until a camera slows it down for them.
Anyway, I'm just a beginner photographer, so it gives me something to sharpen my teeth on.
> I looove the topic, and am just having a hard time finding time to organize my many many MANY thoughts on it.
Haha, I know GG, me too, I just stopped procrastinating with my reply today finally.
> First if it were up to me, I would ask to take one off your list, as I have grown campanulata for three years now and while it is a great plant, it has only mediocre leaves in my eyes.
I just checked googled images once again - and yep, they still look interesting to me with those wavy edges and bubbly inter-veinal spaces. Your own photo, Doug, seems to show it well: http://vermonthoyascom.fatcow.com/2012/03/16/one-more-hoya-campanulata-photograph/. Perhaps it's the antithesis of this thread - one that photographs way better than it really is. :-)
> Hoya vitellinoides has very large leaves with fantastic dark veination on a light background.
Oh yeah - it was in my last shipment. Looks great! Although it does advertise itself very well in pictures, I think. In addition to it being pretty, it apparently also grows slowly (an advantage for a big-leaf species in limited space) AND it doesn't need lots of light to achieve that veiny look (again a big plus indoors).
> GT, you'll like clemensiorum [...] I just got a cutting this spring from Carol
Unfortunately, Carol was down to woody growth on this one, so she could not cut for me. That's fine, something to look forward to in the next order.
> I just got a cutting this spring from Carol and it came with a budding peduncle. Of course, I had to remove the buds (dang!) to improve the rootability.
I had a similar dilemma (to cut buds or not) when a bunch of cuttings had them. I decided not to. Most of the buds quickly faded and dropped off, which tells me probably not too much energy reserve was spent on those buds - but one single bud on one peduncle on one of the cuttings did hang on, grow and flower for me just 9 days after potting the cutting. It was pretty cool, so I personally would not cut buds again - generally. I guess exceptions would be particularly weak-looking cuttings, combined with uninteresting flowers or a difficult to get species. There is a thread about that experience of mine on facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=865947530085266.
> Another one that surprised me was patella.
Yeah, combined with those campanulate flowers, it's definitely an interesting plant.
> Hoya sp. Kunming Kina
GG, Carol offered to give me this one in my shipment. I googled the images and politely refused. She gently but enthusiastically insisted. I googled some more but refused again. She never mentioned it since, so I guess I won that argument, hehe - except now I think I might have lost. :-/
> Hoya dasyantha - Ah, perfect. Now we have a perfect example of GT's criteria. The unphotographable leaf.
OMG, tell me about it! A gorgeous new leaf was growing a few weeks ago, so of course I grabbed the camera (aka the phone). Two camera applications, many settings, zooming and unzooming, lots of turning / lifting / holding / tilting / leaning (both the pot and my own body) later - and the best I could come up with was this:
It just seems like the leaf is out of focus - except it isn't because the water bubbles on it look sharp. The camera just does not want to capture all the depth of the color green here, as well as literally the depth of the leaf, which seems clearly visible live. It's as if you can see half-way, quarter-way, three quarters way into the thickness of the leaf in different spots on it. The camera shows none of it! Frustrating!
Here are some old leaves, by the way. Those do photograph a little better, I think.
A local orchid society recently offered a talk on how to photograph orchids. I could not come, unfortunately, but it might have been interesting, I think. A better camera will also help, of course, although I've decided I am sticking with a smart phone for now - those built-in cameras have gotten very good and they are getting better still.
Anyway, moving on down the list...
Looking at Hoya oreogena here and in googled images (and not seeing anything exciting, except for GG's description) gave me the idea of having a separate section of my wish list, so that perhaps I could try getting a few of the species in this thread when they pop up somewhere, just to see WTH the big deal is.
Thanks, everyone, great pics! (well, as great as they can be in this thread!) Denise, I love how sunshine seems to play hide-and-seek behind the leaves being photographed in some of your pics. GG, looking forward to your going down the list of the other trays! You are amazing!
So, I must have taken advice in this thread seriously because I got about a dozen of the species mentioned here.
Got it almost 2 months ago, but so far it has not started growing above ground. I am not complaining - I find this is often the case with these sun-bathed weathered woody cuttings - they take a while to adjust to my indoor environment. I also got a Hoya flagellata, its relative with smaller leaves, and it's also doing nothing.
Hoya erythrina 'Bajo' SRQ 3036:
I was surprised how hefty those leaves felt in my hands. It's amazing that this thing can even grow, as in "leave the ground level", with leaves as heavy as those on a vine as flexible as that.
Some people swear this is the same plant, and others see a lot of differences. Where I got it from, these are two different ones. Globulosa's attractiveness can stand just fine on its own, with very cool venation and touchable fuzziness to the leaves, but not when compared to villosa, which has those things and more - like those crinkly leaf edges, bubbly interveinal spaces and larger leaves. I got both - because I wanted to see them both but also to avoid later getting the same plant I already grow, mis-ID'ed.
In my wish list, I had both this one and H. endauensis, with the latter one preferred. It just seemed tidier, neater, more orderly than kanyakumariana, which appears raggedy, rambly and sunburnt to me in majority of googled pictures. Well, it was H. kanyakumariana that found me first, and I have to say, it was one of the biggest positive surprises: it's just absolutely, irrefutably, "9-to-0" most adorable flirty little thing you'll ever know! A good example of one that does not photograph nearly as well as it looks and feels in real life.
This one does photograph well generally, I think (not here though - macro pics with a better camera look way better), and so it was no surprise how lovable it is. A very slow grower, people say, so I am bracing for watering a "silk plant" for a couple of years till it decides to grow. :-/
Hoya vitellinoides / Hoya meredithii (depends who you ask):
Here, words are barely necessary and a picture is worth way more, I think. Even if it just sits there for 2 months (which it has, by the way), that single leaf is the antithesis of an eye sore.
Then there's the verticillata group. I got three of those.
I got 2 very generous cuttings of this one. Love the trinerved leaves and the very sparse non-intrusive speckling. It's a variegated plant for people who do not like variegation. The leaves look like they may feel very rigid (here again those pesky misleading photographs), but they are actually rather bendy.
Fresh off the presses: this may actually be the species just published as "Hoya amoena subsp. bogorensis" (see p. 14 of http://rare-hoyas.com/hoya_2-4.pdf). Whatever it is, I love the raised "Treasure Map" venation, the rigidity of the leaf and that sheen - there's something about the sheen... The photo exaggerates it, but it's definitely there. Or maybe it's the temporary effect of my soap bath - I'll have to wait and see...
The last of the three verticillata types is Hoya acuta pink:
This variety was collected by Carol in Sabah, Malaysia. The white/lime/yellow backs of leaves are interesting on this one. Forgive the slight leaf dehydration here - it was taken on the day the cuttings were received.
When Carol and GG both tell you to get it, you go ahead and get it - no matter how few WOWs google image search results generate! The plumpness of leaves, the habits of leaf margins to reflex onto themselves and of leaves to form these bunches on the stems are interesting. People say this one should get many extra points for how easily it grows and flowers - we'll see.
And the last one I am going to mention here is Hoya aff. scortechinii SRQ 3019:
GG, my leaves seem much thicker and flatter than yours, with no "hollow curving belly". But I like that they are arranged so orderly, like shelves of a multi-level "Lazy Susan", perfectly parallel to one another, even as they point in random different directions.
I just received a cutting of rotundiflora, and pictures don't do those cute little fuzzy square leaves justice at all!
cv. 'Noelle' has beautiful, thick leaves. It does photgraph quite well, but the leaves don't appear as thick as they really are!
I really do like the leaves of my multiflora (or javanica, hasn't bloomed yet, so I cannot say for sure which one it is). Generic looking, yet exquisite!
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And finally, there is my hoya sp. IR-26 EPC 495, some of the leaves are tinged a beautiful red, others have a bronze hue, and still, others are speckled! And photos fail to capture the differences!
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Lo loves her paci. She loves to chew and suck and just play with it in her hands. We realize that she needs to cut down on it and end it completely very soon. So eliminated it during the day. She asks for it sometimes and will get a bit upset, but nothing we can't handle. So after that success we tried taking it away for naps and bedtime and holy crap this has been my worst nightmare. Tantrums, screaming for hours on end, hitting, scratching, a crazy demon child possessing my sweet angel! PLease if someone has some advise I could really take it right about now!
The taking away of the paci... for god's sake, HElP US!
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My sister's pediatrician told her to give it back to her girls at this age when she ran into the same issue. Only for bed but yes give it back. What's the huge issue? Teeth? Not worth it for right now to worry abotu a bit of soft rubber mishaping teeth. Not sleeping isn't healthy either.
They were OBSESSED, and after she took it away and gave it back it actually got worse. They went through winter with sicknesses and teething for the molars. But then, when they stopped asking during the day she stopped at night as well. One tactic for that is to put baby girl to bed when she is sleepy and she says "paci!" and you say "oh, I'll go get it, you start going to bed." If she's tired and getting ready to really give it up, she'll fall asleep without it. Not every night, but then it becomes less of a "need".
Just one tactic. With my Logan we waited a bit until he was closer to 2 and had him give it up. But he was old enough to "get it." and reason with.
Kristin, Mommy to....
Logan 11 Sylvie 9 Venice 3
Sorry it's so rough, we're going through this too, but luckily our LO is adjusting better, we're on night 4 without it and while he still cries, it's only for about 5 min. So, Hugs. I don't know if it makes a difference but we started new night time routine (without the pacifier). We read a couple of books when he is getting tired, just to calm him down some more and then put him to bed with his favorite blankie.
LO wanted boob not a binky so he rarely took one so no weaning for him.

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I have a table (TableB) that has a foreign key relationship with a parent table (TableA).
When I delete a record in Table A, I want to preserve referential integrity by deleting all records in TableB that reference the deleted record in TableA.
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Click on the players by the questions to hear Johnny's answers in streaming mp3 audio. For more explanation of site playback options, go to our Playback help desk page.Mike Thorne: How much of an upstart did you feel when tackling this project?
Johnny Reinhard: Well, I didn't feel very much different from the way I always feel, because all the work I have done in completing works which have been left insufficiently prepared for performance are on an equal level in my own mind. I guess I am aware that the outside world may have a different measuring stick in terms of what they are going to pay attention to.
My work with Mordecai Sandberg doesn't get me the same attention as even the work I've done with Edgard Varèse. So with Charles Ives' Universe Symphony, I guess the biggest surprise is the reactions that I am getting, which are powerful and from all directions. I'm grateful to have colleagues that I can work with and trust to get through the very tough periods, because this is already over a ten-year period project. I couldn't walk away from this if I wanted to.It's the biggest of them all, but it's really an extension of something you've been doing for some time. How do you get into the mind of the composer in order to complete something that they've done?
Well, as Harry Partch used to say the orchestral player is the concert horse [in the concert ring]. We are soldiers marching to other people's tunes. We're trained as players, and I count myself as a player foremost, to represent as fully as possible the concepts of the composer; the aesthetic, the sentiment of the composers. There are differences, internationally and chronologically. So, with all of that going on in the player's head, I took it as an extension to, I guess the term I like best is to 'curate' this piece as a certain responsibility.
Todd Vunderink of Peermusic [an Ives publisher] actually asked me once for a recording of my String Quartet, not so much for my quartet, just to make sure it didn't sound anything like 'my Universe Symphony'. Well, since it's not my 'Universe Symphony' but Charles Ives' Universe Symphony, that didn't prove to be an issue at all.
How accurate can you think to be when you are realizing the wishes of another composer? The composers themselves might think there are different ways of solving a particular issue or concluding a situation. How accurate do you think it could be, or is this a very false word to use in any circumstance to do with music?
I do realize that there are buzz words in terms of historical performance and accuracy, with critics on all sides leveling accusations about even the appropriateness of that language. Whether it's even something we should care about. Because we are all living in the modern age, why should we care about old instruments playing in an old vestigial style? Maybe it's inappropriate to focus on that. So, I'm thinking, how do you balance that with months of late-night deduction of these Basic Units of Ives' Universe Symphony, where I find myself in a place, and I was sure that I was lead to the right door, but then I didn't know whether to make a right or a left.
Just the mental activity of the brain growing, which is apparently what happens in the heads of musicians, when we struggle with something we worked with in the past...so that we can develop the technique to follow through on what might seem 'Herculean' tasks, but it's not so because that's your profession. That's what you do. I would come up with these answers that [demonstrated] clearly [that] I had changed metaphysical seats. And I was sitting in the seat, put there by Charles Ives. I mean, this is an open invitation – so I'm put there – to anybody.
The only attempt of this previously was a non-curated version. Lets put it that way. It ignored Ives' designations of instruments. It disregarded his tempo choices, and avoided his aesthetics, at least in terms of click tracks, for instance. (The discussion about click tracks we can save for another time.)What was the breakthrough in your mind, in finally seeing the large picture of what Ives had intended? What was the 'Eureka!' moment?
Here I find on page 16, where there's no page 15, or 14, or 13, which is like a word processing trick, where you make a very high number page so you know its the end. So everyone who looks at it knows, 'this has to be the end.' And on this page, with this plug, and the Heaven and Earth, it was just made clear where it goes. In that section of Heaven and Earth, it made it clear that there were some formal implications. There's no better time for a Eureka! than when the form has finally been determined.
It would have to be, I guess, when I saw these phrases by Ives in his writing, that said, "maybe we should hear the earth separate from the percussion, which then should be separate from the Heavens orchestra, before we hear everything put together at the same time.' And I thought, 'yes, indeed! What a great idea.' Because the alternative that Ives had come up with was insufficient. And that was to listen to the whole piece played twice through, with a mental refocusing, first on the Earth, then on the Heaven.
Talk about wishful thinking, considering that the accomplishment of the piece wasn't in a condition to be effected in his lifetime! How could he imagine, way before CDs existed, that you could even listen twice through such a long piece. Of course, there is the Ring by [Richard] Wagner which he was familiar with. But without text, an abstract work, with this mental strictness, is probably beyond anyone he ever knew.
The result of this noticing of these formal implications allows for a little bit of foreshadowing, almost in an overture-like way, the separate orchestras within an orchestra. Once I read that and I understood it, I reached a new level, I think, with the piece.Many people have tried, both at Ives' invitation and over and above Ives' invitation. Why you?
And there is the fact that no one could truly say that they understood his music while he was standing there. I doubt there is somebody who wants to stand forward, including myself, and say such a thing. I am being very careful in working with what is really new here, which is the Universe Symphony. To some degree it filters to some of his other piece. Since you know, that's my work, I produce the work of many different composers, not just Ives. It's only natural that we do works of Ives besides the Universe Symphony.
It's a colossal undertaking. Would you have started if you had realized how long it was going to take? We're now at over ten years, aren't we?
The radical music had a radical method of recording which finally came through, and finally delivered something which reflects the power of the music. Do you think there is anything lacking in the layered recording approach to it that could have been achieved in the concert hall? Or do you think that the layered approach took the music much further than it could have done in a conventional recording situation?
I've come to the conclusion that people listen differently, and I certainly don't listen the way other people do. I don't put myself in a concert hall listening to my own music in the same place as I watch other composers and where they sit.
I don't get the same information that other people do. In fact, I usually get a lot more. In a concert hall, one group [or section] can knock out another group's playing. And the Alice Tully Hall, where we performed, is notorious for this. You can watch the violins playing and not hear a single one if the right combination of winds and brass are playing.
The experience following the live performance of all the players being in such different places (about where they were), in terms of how together it sounded, or didn't; what the piece was intended to mean, or didn't, how successful it was according to my score, or wasn't, was off the wall. I was just stunned by the 180 degree opinion differences of the critics. Okay, I had a wonderful standing ovation. I felt good for doing it. I think the whole thing came out to $36,000 in cost. We actually got it paid up within two years. So, no debt still from there, so I have no real regrets. There was a big challenge at one time with the musician's union, but we worked out something together. Everything was pretty good except for the miserableness of not having a commercial release.
Until now.
I've been a fan of layering since I first experienced Igor Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring." Having been frustrated by the visual "dissonance" of player confusion in the premiere performance – as well as alternating "deer in the road" reactions from the other two conductors in the concert – I relished the idea of the high level of control I could have over the project. My live experiences conducting the score gave me a valuable physical memory imprint of the important conducting choreography needed for a studio dance.
Perhaps the most controversial issue for me was the level of added reverb demanded. Having accepted that this largely counterpuntal work would have impeccable separation, I believed the harmonic lock of the extended Pythagorean tuning of cycling pure fifths would resonate more powerfully, if in a different way, with minimal added reverb. We added and subtracted reverb innumerable times until we could reach agreement, and I'm sure the music is the better for it. One may hope there will be other mixes in this composition's future. After all, it has always been about perspective: it's what the piece is all about.
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The Future of the Internet and Broadband …and How to Enable It Prepared Remarks for the Big Ideas Workshop National Broadband Plan Federal Communications Commission Washington, DC September 3, 2009 Robert T. Atkinson, Ph. D. President, Information Technology and Innovation Foundation Richard Bennett Research Fellow, Information Technology and Innovation Foundation Overview The ITIF is pleased to have the opportunity to offer our viewpoint on this very important issue, and pleased that the United States' expert agency on telecommunications is making a concerted effort to gaze into the crystal ball in order to divine the contours of events that none of us can really foresee. It's a useful exercise that should stimulate some creative thinking, whatever the immediate outcome. Let's review how we got here, at least with regard to the Internet. The Internet as we know it today is the culmination of a 50 year experiment with packet switching that began in the mind of a young engineer named Paul Baran. Baran set out to devise a method of building communications networks that could survive nuclear attack, and Internet is a side-effect of that project. His work inspired the designers of the ARPANET, which fostered the education of a team of engineers who in turn helped design the CYCLADES network in France. CYCLADES engineers in turn provided the conceptual framework for the modern Internet. The Internet now serves 1.5 billion people connected to 65,000 autonomous systems, which meet in 300 Internet Exchange Points where they share 300,000 routes. The theme we draw from the past is a pattern of global cooperation in research; independent investment; ever-increasing utility, performance, and power; and ongoing collaboration in research, engineering, and operations. We use this system today for e-mail, social networking, telephony, video-conferencing, and publishing prepared content in many forms, and will continue to use these traditional applications for some time. In the not-too-distant future, we're going to make greater use of rich audio-visual media for a variety of applications such as home monitoring and control, the maintenance of the smart grid, interpersonal communication in rich forms all the way up to holograms, and encompassing wider circles of participation. Distance learning, distance conferencing, and entertainment experiences from near and far will be routine. Libraries, encompassing written as well as audio-visual content will of course be easily searchable, and if we're too tired or restless to read a book, we'll have it read to us or performed on a nearby screen by real or virtual characters, and we'll chat with friends (or strangers if we prefer) while we watch or simply immerse in a 3D sound field. More than eight billion new CPUs will be sold this year, but only a small number will be networked. Both of these numbers will grow. Our computers will be embedded in our cars, homes, workstations, glasses, and clothing, and we won't have to login or out as we move around because they'll know who we are, where we are, where we're going and what we intend to do when we get there, and they'll know how to share this information with each other while keeping it private from prying eyes. We'll interact with our machines more by gesture and speech than by keyboards and mice, but they'll anticipate a lot of our wants, wishes, and whims. We'll need a network with several orders of magnitude more power, reach, and scale than the ones we have today to make this future come to pass, of course. This will mean continued advancements in processing power, storage, and transmission. With regard to the Internet itself it will also mean that the Internet of the Present will not become the Internet of Future: there is no migration path. Rather, it will be one of the networks that will form parts of this new Mega-Internet; probably an appendage that we utilize for passing stored content. It will be like the AlohaNet in Hawaii was when it was attached to the ARPANET through a gateway: a limited, but still vital, system. Internet Architecture It's been known for some time that the Internet architecture is challenged. The system has grown far beyond the scope of its original design, and currently suffers from a number of ailments related to its addressing and routing scheme, the structure of its protocols, and the method of its financing and operation. The Internet Architecture Board's (IAB) Workshop on Routing and Addressing declared as much in 2006: The clear, highest-priority takeaway from the workshop is the need to devise a scalable routing and addressing system, one that is scalable in the face of multihoming1, and that facilitates a wide spectrum of traffic engineering (TE) requirements.2 The Internet's addressing problem began when TCP and IP were separated. There was only one address, and IP got it. IP turned what had been a computer address into the address of a wire, which would have been fine if the computer had then got an address of its own. This didn't happen, hence issues with mobility, scalability, and routing redundancy arose because routes and wires had addresses but end systems didn't. The Internet is thus an end-to-end system in which "ends" aren't directly addressable. The Internet engineering community has tried to work around this fundamental design flaw with systems such as Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR) and Locator/ID Separation (LISP)3, but these modifications simply delay the inevitable routing overload. So it's clear that a new architecture is needed, and some of the best minds in the research community have been trying to devise one for some time now, using a variety of testbeds funded in by the National Science Foundation such as GENI and Stanford's Clean Slate. We need to make sure that the Internet's new architecture doesn't suffer from the "Second System Effect" that Fred Brooks taught us about.4 We don't want bloat, but we do need a somewhat richer set of transport services than the current system provides: the one-size-fits-all model of transport and billing also inhibits growth. There is a very important reason to emphasize this requirement. We have seen that most of the innovation the Internet has fostered takes place at the edge of the network. This is by design. But we have also seen an interaction between the capabilities of the network and the range of applications that it can support. When TCP/IP was originally deployed on the ARPANET infrastructure, the fastest link between any two routers was 56 kilobits per second. At that speed, video streaming was not a practical application. Most uses emphasized stored content and limited interactivity, such as the remote logins that were the major use of the ARPANET before TCP/IP. As the link speeds have increased (all the way up to 100 gigabits per second in some cases,) the range of practical applications has broadened and now we take it for granted that we can do one-on-one video conferencing in standard definition and transfer entire DVDs worth of files, but not always at the same time and not always as often as we might like. We can now access the Internet from mobile devices, despite the evident shortcomings of a system of addressing that's distinctly hostile to mobility, thanks to a number of clever tricks inside the mobile networks, but the handoffs from sub-network to sub-network aren't always as fast as they should be. Capability has improved, but we're not yet in a position to utilize a fully pervasive system of universal connectivity, nor will we ever be in such a position given the constraints of the current architecture. The Internet of the future has to support multi-homing, multi-tasking, and rapid mobility. The economics of this system need to be rational, with a proportionate ratio of cost and price for various uses and a high capital efficiency ratio. Currently, we have to increase the speed of a core link by 5 megabits per second to realize a 1 megabit per second apparent increase in throughput, and the ratio should be closer to 1:1.5 And it has to be secure and resilient to failures, although most of the security will continue to be provided in end-systems and their network gateways rather than in the transport system. Internet R&D There's no guarantee that the Internet of the future will be designed in the United States. The world of the Internet is flat, and many of the brightest engineering minds live and work outside our borders. In fact, we can be confident that a many of the innovations we will come to accept on the Internet of the Future will be created outside our borders, and that the fundamental architecture may be as well; the architecture of the current Internet was largely developed in France, after all. We're constrained by establishment thinking here, and often fail to appreciate how thoroughly wedded we are to conventional wisdom and sacred cows. And in contrast to some other nations, we have not made Internet R&D as much of a priority in recent years. With regard to the particular area of network architecture research, it doesn't take large teams with enormous budgets to make fundamental advances. Paul Baran worked with a very small team, as did Louis Pouzin, the inventor of the framework for end-to-end networks that informs the Internet of today (as well as the four other major packet networks created during the same period as the Internet.) These gentlemen and their teams had a willingness to construct the problem differently than their predecessors had, with no commitment to the preservation of a status quo, and the ability to produce spare, elegant designs that could scale into extremely large systems with no loss of capability or runaway increase in overhead. The Internet of the Future will start with a very simple architecture which combines the functions we now know such a network needs to have in a different conceptual model. The model will probably be "recursive," one in which large pieces are built out of small pieces whose structure resembles that of the larger ones, and so on. A small bit of work in this direction has been done by Joe Touch of the Information Sciences Institute at USC, and a much more comprehensive effort is underway at Boston University behind the leadership of John Day building on an Inter-Process Communication framework. The fourth generation wireless networks specified by the 3GPP Working Group are explicitly "Next Generation Networks" which combine existing elements of Internet protocols with new wireless capabilities in ways that have not been possible in the past. LTE uses Internet Standards such as RSVP and Integrated Services, for example. Such efforts don't depend on the invention of new transport protocols, they're primarily different ways of combining many of the elements of network technology we use today, but in different ways and through different interface functions. That being said, TCP is overdue for replacement. We needn't design the new Internet in this workshop, but we must emphasize that fundamental re-conceptualizations of the networking problem need to be an important research focus, and these efforts need to be explicitly driven by the requirement to support innovation by the network's ultimate users even better than we have in the past. Broadband and Telecommunications The Internet runs on telecommunications networks, and increasingly on wired and wireless broadband networks and these support end-use devices that rely on semiconductor processing. That system, and the companies that provide the hardware, software and services that enable it, has been driven by research and innovation. Innovation beyond the Internet itself is a different and more wide-ranging challenge, in part because the scale of the problem and the resource needed for progress are much bigger. Historically, the United States became the world leader in computing and telecommunications because we had institutions that made large and visionary investments in early stage research which was then widely shared. A core component of this innovation ecosystem was Bell Labs. Since its founding in 1925, Bell Labs has made seminal scientific discoveries, created powerful new technologies, and built the world's most advanced and reliable networks. These innovations included data networking, the transistor, cellular telephone technology, operating systems, the laser, digital transmission, and digital signal processors. Because so much of the results of this research "spilled" over to other firms (not just AT&T) and industries, the incentive to do this kind of foundational, generic research was based on the fact that AT&T had significant market power and was a regulated monopoly. When the costs of research could be included quietly in the rates paid by U.S. telephone customers, it was much easier to support the optimal level of telecom research. But with the introduction of competition to the telecommunications industry, Bell Labs has been restructured to focus more on incremental technology improvements with a shorter-term payoff. But while the downsizing and restructuring of Bell Labs is just one example, it is reflective of an overall shift in corporate R&D, with companies in the U.S. expanding their investments in development much more quickly than their investments in research. Indeed, the decline of the U.S. long-range industrial research infrastructure is troubling for the future of broadband technology, and importantly for the competitive position of U.S. telecommunications equipment suppliers. The Bell Labs experience is emblematic, albeit more dramatic, of what has happened in corporate support for R&D, including in IT and telecommunications. Overall, corporate R&D support in the United States has shifted away from more exploratory research toward more short-term projects with more certain results. And in some segments of the IT industry, corporate R&D has declined. For example, from 2001 to 2007, corporate R&D in the United States in the communications equipment sector has fallen almost by half (declining 45%) as a share of GDP. As such, if the United States is to maintain its role as an innovation leader in this area, the federal government needs to step in and help create the incentives for the conduct of more exploratory and risky research in these areas. Unfortunately, in some areas the federal government is going in the wrong direction. For example, another major player historically in the development of the Internet and telecommunications has been DARPA. DARPA played a key role in supporting the development of computer science as an academic discipline through large sustained investments at universities like Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and Stanford. But like Bell Labs and many private sector R&D supporters, DARPA too has shifted its focus in the last decade away from more exploratory research toward more short-term projects with more certain results.6 In contrast, other nations have focused more extensively on broadband and telecommunications R&D. There are a wide range of examples. Finland's TIVIT program seeks to create new ICT-based business ecosystems aimed at enabling a real- time information society. Tekes (the Finnish innovation agency) will provide €50M ($71M) of funding in 2009-2010 for research into Future Internet, Flexible Services, Devices and Interoperability, and Cooperative Traffic ICT. A separate program, Value- Added Mobile Solutions (VAMOS) 2005-2010, is funded at €16.4M ($23.5M) annually for R&D into how mobile devices, networks, and component technologies can be used in commercial applications by Finnish industry. If the U.S. were to match this on a per- GDP basis, it would have to invest $6.8 billion per year. Sweden invested SEK 909M ($128M) in 2008 and will invest SEK 1,445B ($204M) in 2009 for government-funded R&D aimed at transportation and telecommunications industries. A joint partnership between Vinnova (the Swedish innovation agency) and the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology will invest €4M ($5.7M) in seven joint projects focused on mobile technologies. The Dutch government provided $155 million funding for research into high-speed networks, including the GigaPort Next Generation Network, a national infrastructure research network permanently at the disposal of the government, the IT industry, educational and research institutes; the Virtual lab e-science (VLE) for collaboration and testing new technologies; and Freeband Knowledge Impulse, a joint initiative of the government, industry, and academia to increase knowledge of fourth generation telecommunications7 The UK government is investing £1 million to help companies and universities carry out initial research and feasibility studies into technologies that will be needed for the next generation of broadband beyond that currently available, so called Ultra Fast Broadband. The funds and projects are being channeled through the UK's Technology Strategy Board. At the EU level, the European Union's 6th Framework Programme prioritized €3.6B ($5.1B) of funding for information society technologies (IST) research. The EU Member States have earmarked a total of € 9.1 billion for funding ICT over the duration of FP7. Asian broadband leaders are also investing heavily in IT R&D. Japan funds advanced telecommunications research through, among other agencies, NEDO (New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization). For example, they are investing 1.04 billion yen ($11 million) in the Development of Next-generation High-efficiency Network Device Technology. In South Korea, the Electronic & Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI) receives over $350 million annually for electronics and telecommunications research. The government is also supporting research on ubiquitous sensor networks, aimed at letting smart machines and products communicate with each other. Policy Issues We're in a period of transition between the Internet of the Past and the Internet of the Future, and consequently are caught in the middle of several tugs-of-war and innovation tensions, many of them not visible to the general public except in their side-effects. We don't know which elements of the Internet of Today will survive the transition and which ones will be upgraded, but we need to be able to ensure that the networks we use in ten years time will support the applications we want. A core challenge for moving forward will be the development of a more robust Broadband and Internet research program. This should start with an increase in government support for research in these areas. There are a number of programs at the federal level to support research in this area. The major one, the NSF's Directorate for Computer and Information Science and Engineering, supports research in these areas. The program supports investigator initiated research in all areas of computer and information science and engineering and helps develop and maintain cutting-edge national computing and information infrastructure for research and education generally. In FY2008, it received $535 million, with an approximately $235 million in addition through the ARRA. However, not counting the one-time ARRA funding, CISE funding has barely increased – just 7 percent as a share of GDP from 1995 to 2008.8 And overall U.S. government R&D to computer science increased at a slower rate (30 percent) from 2000 to 2005 than did overall federal government support for R&D (40 percent) and has barely budged as a share of GDP.9 If we are to maintain the kinds of innovations we need in the future in these areas, we will need to increase federal support for research in this area. There have been efforts that recognize we need to do more here. The Advanced Information and Communications Technology Research Act (S.1493) was introduced in 2007 to among other things establish a Telecommunications Standards and Technology Acceleration Research Program at NIST to support and promote innovation in the United States through high-risk, high-reward telecommunications research. In addition, it would establish a program of basic research in advanced information and communications technologies focused on enhancing or facilitating the availability and affordability of advanced communications services to all Americans. However, the legislation was not passed. It is time to build on these efforts in several ways. First, we should expand federal support for these initiatives. This would include increasing support for networking R&D by at least $50 million per year at NSF, with additional increases at Department of Energy and DARPA. In addition, NSF should fund a major upgrade of "campus cyberinfrastructure," (including high performance computing, data centers, local area networks, and external connections to advanced backbones).10 But it's not just enough to increase research support; the federal government should also spur more inter-firm and industry-university collaborative research in these areas. We have some successful experience with this to date. For example, 12 wireless communications companies have formed a research consortium with the University of California-San Diego Engineering School to work on advanced research related to their industry.11 The Semiconductor Research Corporation (SRC) – a nonprofit research consortium of 36 companies and federal government agencies – plans, invests in, and manages a low-overhead, industry-driven, pre-competitive Global Research Center program that addresses the short-term needs identified in the Semiconductor Industry Association's International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors. The Microelectronics Advanced Research Corporation, a subsidiary of SRC, operates a Focus Center Research Program that funds multi-university research centers to address broad, long-range technological challenges identified in the Roadmap. Semiconductor and related firms and the Department of Defense jointly fund the Focus Centers.12 The federal government should create a process to allow more industry-university collaborative research efforts to be formed in other related areas. For example, as discussed above, the Finnish government supports an active research consortium in wireless technologies. The idea would be to offer competitive grants to industry consortia to conduct research at universities. These competitive Industry Research Alliance Challenge Grants would match funding from consortia of businesses, businesses and universities, or businesses and national labs. These grants would resemble those that the current NIST Technology Innovation Partnership program (TIP) and the NSF innovation programs (Partnerships for Innovation, Industry-University Cooperative Research Centers, and Engineering Research Centers) offer. However, these grants ideally would have an even greater focus on broad sectoral consortia and would allow large firms as well as small and mid-sized ones to participate. But in addition to funding these kinds of consortia, we also need to fund small team efforts, outside the research establishment. This is particularly important in helping to create the new architecture and give them access to the research testbeds and opportunities to confer. The DARPA SBIR process is instructive. With respect to the Internet itself, there are several steps to take. First, we should abandon the idea that there's a seamless path to the future. There may be one, but we don't need to assume we know where it is. Second, network engineers often express fears of fragmentation and stress uniform solutions. That may not be the most productive path, as it leads not to a "network of networks" but to "one large network" with a common set of limitations. A multiplicity of separately designed and managed networks with common data interchange formats may be a more productive approach. Third, it is important to clarify the rules on permitted and non-permitted forms of network management. Relying on vague, service-stifling generalities, overly prescriptive minutiae or outright bans as some legislation proposes will limit needed research and innovation in the network. Fourth, it is important to develop rules for unlicensed and secondary use of spectrum that recognize the nature of digital packet networks and build on our experience with such systems in the past five years. Related to this is the importance of providing an expedited means of resolving disputes over spectrum use that conforms to a legal doctrine of spectrum rights and doesn't require lengthy court battles. Problems arising over particular secondary uses need to be resolvable in minutes, for example. Conclusion The Internet of the Future will come about with or without action by the Commission, the Congress, or the research community in the United States. This is because networking is now a global concern and much of the work that will build this network is already underway around the world. But without U.S. leadership, progress will be slower than desirable. Moreover, if the United States wishes to provide leadership in this effort, let alone participate in it, we'll need to actively support research and deployment efforts. The Internet that we use today was designed for research purposes and pressed into service to meet user needs for a global system before it was sufficiently well-developed for the purpose. Moore's Law, massive investment, and the heroic efforts of a global team of professional administrators working around the clock have enabled it to come this far, but we can't count on it to grow much larger. Fortunately, we've learned enough along the way to be able to devise a system that will serve us for the next 35 years. The trick is to tap into the intelligence of the network engineering community around the world, extract the best ideas, test them in parallel, and synthesize. Endnotes: 1 Multi-homing provides multiple network paths to a system or service. 2 David Meyer, Lixia Zhang, and Kevin Fall, eds., "Report from the IAB Workshop on Routing and Addressing," RFC 4984 <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4984.txt> 3 David Meyer and Darrel Lewis, "Architectural Implications of Locator/ID Separation," Internet Draft <http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-meyer-loc-id-implications-01.pdf> (accessed September 27, 2009). 4 Fred Brooks, The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering (Anniversary Edition,) Addison- Wesley, 1995. 5 The inability of the Internet core to saturate links is a consequence of the congestion control algorithm employed by TCP. 6 Erica Fuchs,. "The Role of DARPA in Seeding and Encouraging New Technology Trajectories: Integrated Photonics, Microelectronics, and Moore's Law." Invited Chapter in Swimming Against the Current: The Rise of a Hidden Development State in the United States. Ed. by. Fred Block, 2007forthcoming. 7 Ministry of Economic Affairs, "Broadband and Grids Technology in the Netherlands," Innovation, (The Netherlands: Ministry of Economic Affairs, 2005), <http://www.ez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=143637&rid=142410>. 8 National Science Foundation, NSF Budget Request to Congress and Annual Appropriations, 1995-2008 (Washington, D.C.: NSF), <http://www.nsf.gov/about/budget/>. 9 The National Science Foundation, National Patterns of R&D Resources, 2009 <http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/natlpatterns/>. 10 The federal government has also provided minimal funding (around $1 million per year over the last five years) to Internet2, a consortium the research and education community, which promotes the missions of its members by providing both leading-edge network capabilities and unique partnership opportunities that together facilitate the development, deployment and use of revolutionary Internet technologies. 11 Center for Wireless Communications Web site, <http//www-cwc.ucsd.edu/members.php>. 12 See Focus Center Research Program Web site, <http://fcrp.src.org/member/about/fcrpqa.asp>.
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Cancer that starts in the uterus (uterine/endometrial cancer) and spreads to the ovaries/other organs is pretty common place with Stage 2 or Stage 3 (sounds more ominous that it is). Staging is just a way for them to say whether a cancer is still where it began, moved outside the original area, tumors, no tumors, etc so it's more important to find out what her personal prognosis is. ;)
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All aside, I have seen Grace baked between layers of roofing during tear-offs. Appears someone thought it may be a good idea to peel back the bottom foot of covering down to the decking & apply I&W for the first foot, with the balance adhered to the roof covering. I have seen it more than once, and it bakes the adhesive, rendering it useless.
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