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Show me the light above your main sink, please
So my GC called me and told me that they put a can light approx 2 ft from the upper cabinets in front of the main sink. However, the electrician thought that we wanted a light directly above the sink. If do that and do not have a soffit or box built connecting the upper cabinets on either side of the sink (sink is in front of a window), the GC thought it would look really weird to have a can and a fixture right in line with each other. I agree, but am not sure what to do. If we opt for no light over the sink then we will have an extra switch that does nothing. Thoughts? I know photos would help, but unfortunately I am at work.
Having really good light over the sink in my 9' tall was a high priority for me, so a pendant was the answer, even though I may have ended up with too many things suspended from the ceiling. I have cans around the periphery of the kitchen, but they won't do for task lighting.
Natal, I think the need for light must be idiosyncratic. My eyesight is not getting better with age, and my cutting board shares whatever lights my sink.
A can in a 10' ceiling is not sufficient for me. I may have overcompensated with so large a pendant from a 9' ceiling, but I can always reduce the wattage if it turns out too bright.
If it's too late to remove the "can", consider two small pendant-type lights over the sink. That will give the direct light you need but the lights won't be "lined up".
Honorbiltkit is right...I've found that as I age, my need for better and better lighting is necessary. It's an age-related thing. You probably won't notice it until you hit your mid-forties or so...but the time will come! If you plan to be in your home as you age, I recommend at least "roughing in" task lighting.
BTW...this is probably why there's disagreement on the need for under-cabinet task lighting around here as well. Usually it's those of us who have hit that time that say it's necessary; young people often say it's not.
Holes can be patched, so don't live with something that's going to drive you nuts.
I agree about the need for adequate lighting ... especially as we age. I use my under cabinet lights more than any other lighting in the kitchen. They're on all day. The cans are rarely turned on, except for the one above the sink. It's on a separate switch.
Our ceiling above the sink is 11 feet. We have a 6 inch eyeball light over the sink and it is more than sufficient. If you did that and decided later you need something else - i.e., pendant, the electric is there and it could be changed out. Your main problem would be finding an escheucon (sp) plate to fit.
Thanks everyone! I talked to the GC more and he said I have 3 options:
1) Move the can that is near the sink to be directly above the sink
2) Eliminate the can that is near the sink and add some sort of fixture above the sink (pendant, flush mount etc) OR
3) build a "valance" that connects the two cabinets on either side of the sink so that I can hide a light in the box so that it is not really visible.
We had something similar to option 3 in my old kitchen but it was with a fluorescent tube light. Do people really do option 3 or is it outdated? I ask because my only experience with it is my old 1957s kitchen.
The benefit of #3 would be that the light above the sink could be on a separate switch and we do not have mess with the ceiling to move the can. If anyone has photos of a valance please show me. I work so much better with photos.
I'm new here but thought I'd chime in.
Our current kitchen has the valance above the sink 'helping' to conceal the light. It's the wonderful fluorescent tube kind and does a great job of lighting the sink, but isn't terribly attractive. Plus I find the light kind of harsh. Also, the light was retrofitted after the valance (I believe) as the valance has a decorative hole in the center which allows you to see the 'wonderful' fixture. Needless to say Mrs. Johnny Dollar has indicated the valance is going and the fixture is changing when the kitchen is remodeled. I'll try and post a pic or two later on.
So I figured out how to get a photo off of my camera and into GW. Here is a photo of the window in question.
From the photo you cannot see the sink but trust me it is centered under the window. The cardboard is protecting my soapstone. The can light is centered in front of the window (this photo was taken at an angle). Does this give anyone any other ideas?
Here's a mid-construction shot of ours.
The kitchen has since been completed.
We have 7 1/2' cielings. The light is a 3" low voltage halogen MR16 can directly over the sink. (It's the one in the middle) It works fine for us.
In your case I'd either move the existing recessed light over the sink or simply add a pendant style light. I don't think that adding the pendant will look odd.
I put in a single small recessed halogen but i wish i had out in a small ceiling mount drop light, like a small school house light.
The halogen is the perfect amount of light, the drop light would have been more for aesthetics.
If you're looking at RH lighting you might consider visiting Schoolhouse Electric as well. They have LOTS more options for finishes and shades and they have superior customer service. I don't work for them! We just ordered SEVERAL fixtures from them for our kitchen and three porches and they all arrived promptly, well packed and EXACTLY as shown. They address concerns efficiently and they have a HUGE selection of finishes, shades and bases that you can mix and match to your heart's desire.
Oh, I just found this one on ebay! (Please do not steal it!) for 1/2 the price it was originally listed on RH since it was no longer available through RH.
Overall I am having the most problems with lighting. I have not picked out a light for over my peninsula or for over my non-existant (still need to purchase) dining table. So frustrating. I have had fun picking out most other things, but lighting really throws me for a loop!
I'd still move the can and put it directly above the sink. Forget the valance with hidden fluorescent. That's very dated. Had it in my old kitchen too.
You have a beautiful view outside your window. I wouldn't want a pendant blocking it. My concern with the schoolhouse light you posted is would it provide adequate light?
@Natal- DH hates the idea of a pendant because he does not want to block the view from the window. He is leaning towards the wood valance with the "hidden" light. I on the other hand have seen some really nice wood valances on GW--but just do not think it will work in my space and will look dated. As for getting enough light-- the kitchen faces east so it really bright in the room w/o any lights. Not sure how much light is really needed.
I really like these from Hubbardton Forge, pricy as they are. I am drawn to them because you get the drop down effect without any view blockage for DH. We have 8' ceilings.
Here is a link that might be useful: beautiful semi-flush ceiling
clueless- we have 8ft ceilings as well. I found the price of $236 to be not that terrible. I am just wondering if it would give off enough light?
natal- I know! But it is difficult to tell how much light I will need when it is dark since most of my cans are not installed yet.
I saw a similar pendant at a lighting store, but it's just so hard to tell in a store with a plethora of other light sources! They really glow, but as far as direct light??? They have 100W bulbs. We'll have 2 lights over one space that's a whopping 71" with an undercounter light and hood lights on either end. There's a 100W fixture centered in the room.
Interesting thread since we are also in the process of picking a semi-flush or pendant fixture to go over our sink. We've ordered a number of fixtures from School House Electric, Rejuvenation, and Restoration Hardware for our ongoing kitchen, bath, porch, etc. renovation. We have been super impressed with the quality of School House Electric and Rejuvenation (both made in USA). They are beautifully made and so solid. Unfortunately we have not been so impressed with the quality of the made in China Restoration Hardware fixtures. Of course in some ways the company is brilliant at knocking off much more expensive lighting fixtures. I guess you get what you pay for with RH. Just my two cents.
Lighting above our kitchen sink. 3 Pendants and 3 halogens for a bit of extra light.
We had a valance in our old kitchen and it worked well to hide the light, plus it connected the cabinets which we felt was necessary with the lower window. I think a valance *can* look dated, but doesn't have too. This picture isn't the best - I took it the day we moved out, but it will give you an idea.
Hi newbie --
I agree that the can should be moved, and you should get a fixture for above the sink. I have definitely hit that age where dedicated task lighting is essential, and if you're not there yet, you will be eventually.
We spaced our can lights along the cabinet run where the sink is, and will have an 8" minipendant (Murray Feiss P1144)above the sink. Here's the pic so far (with cans, without fixture installed)
To keep your DH happy, I would point you to a semi-flush light from Pottery Barn that we had been considering (which I came across in the bath lighting section of the PB website, but which would work perfectly well in a kitchen.) The wall area about your sink would be about the same size as the fixture, so it wouldn't block the view. (p.s. it comes in many finishes) Win win?
Here is a link that might be useful: PB lighting Covington Semi-Flush
We have natural light (daytime), two pendants, and three cans over our sink. We use the pendants the most, the cans not as often.
The pendants & cans are b/w the wall and the person working at the sink, so they don't cast shadows on the sink.
BTW...the pendants don't really block the view, they're too small, relative to the view/window size.
The world of pendant lights is so rich that there is tremendous adventure available to you if adding one or two to your kitchen sink area.
I am biased against recessed lights, esp here. The pendants over a sink add an architectural detail that brings the ceiling and the ceiling height into the room design. Pendants or semi-flush fixtures over a sink also bring some drama into an otherwise mundane area of activity--dishwashing. And when it's dark outside, they comfort and invite. In our case, the sink area is seen from the street so the pendant is actually part of the exterior decor. We planned for 3 bell-like pendants in the three sink-side windows from the get-go in our design and the strategy has worked well. We put in top-down, bottom-up honeycomb shades in and the bells hang above the shades when at half-mast--a look that is very good from street.
Jgs- I love your pendant! That will look very nice. Your window cabinet run looks a lot like mine. I noticed that you have not opted for a valance. Any particular reason?
Buehl- Your pendants are very lovely and I love that you have a bowed window in your kitchen. We looked into that but it was going to be cost prohibitive--we were on a budget.
Florantha- I too would love to see a photo of what you described.
My question regarding pendants is that I will have 1 or possible 2 over my peninsula... so will that look weird? Should they be the same or different?
Hi-I don't know if this helps, but we have a pendant over the sink, 3 pendants over the island and 2 over the bar. They are all the same, but the light in the dining room above the table is different. Our pendant over the sink we hung higher than the other pendants.
Ugh.. So DH just talked to electrician (E) and E thought that the plan the entire time was to move the can and put a smaller can on a separate switch above the sink. Not sure why I do not remember making this decision-- but I must have. So my thought was to just change the smaller can to a pendant/fixture of some sort. DH does not want to since E already purchased the smaller can. Also to put in a fixture it would involve putting in a box/adding 2x4s or something like that. Now DH does not want to change it to a fixture since E already purchased the smaller can. DH says we can change it down the road if we want to. Arghhh.. :(
Thanks for all of your help!!
Newbie, apparently it's fairly easy to convert a can to pendant, so don't despair. If the can is too small it may not provide adequate light and then you'll have the perfect argument for making the switch. ;)
Here is a link that might be useful: converting recessed can to pendant
Thanks Natal! You have no idea how much time I have spent looking at different fixtures. I understand DH's point but ughh.. I am at the frustrating stage of the remodel where I JUST WANT IT DONE! At least searching for fixtures occupied my time a little.
Buehl- I know what you says makes a lot of sense the only thing is that DH is on the fritz. We already paid for the smaller can above the sink and does not want to shell out more money (and possibly delay the project even more) by changing this when we are not whether we will like the can or not.
Here's a photo of the valance over our sink. The photo's not great, but you can see they connected the two cabinets with the valance and sort of cover the fluorescent light. From Garden Web


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Magnolia Grandiflora hardy cultivars
My parents live in the Cleveland, Ohio area and love Mangolia grandiflora. They have a beautiful 20-25ft Edith Bogue magnolia. In the past 10 years it has had leaf burn only one winter. They have also had good luck with Brackens Brown Beauty. I bought them a nice 10-12 foot Brackens this summer that actually survived the past winter in a pot buried in the ground in Cleveland. I spend a good deal of time in Ohio and we recently traveled down to Marietta, OH and found a very nice Little Gem for their courtyard. The nursery in Marietta said that Little Gem was reliably hardy in much of Ohio and has been one of their more reliable grandifloras. I have seen info on the internet to the contrary, though. In visiting nurseries throughout OH, WV and PA I'm seeing a good deal of grandiflora's showing up including- Edith Bogue, Bracken's Brown Beauty, Little Gem, DD Blanchard, etc. Does anyone out there in zones 5 or 6 have experience growing Magnolia grandiflora?
Others will chime in w/various success stories. The 'Victoria' cultivar for me here is ideal -- a bit smaller & more compact than others. No leaf damage at all in z6 in fully exposed conditions. Even a few blooms only in 5th season in ground.
In Toronto you'll need as much wind protection as you can get, if possible.
I think most M grandiflora cultivars will be hardy in Cleveland now. Warming over the majority of the US in the last few decades has placed all of Ohio into a zone 6 or higher climate. I have found grandiflora to be completely hardy in zone 6.
As a point of interest, there are cultivars like "24 Below" that are reported to be hardier than many others.
Little Gem is the least hardy of the selections listed. It has been fine in the Cincinnati area for some time though as we have not had a hard winter since 1993 or so. If you are going to try little Gem you may also want to consider Kay Parris. It is a seedling of Little Gem with the nicest foliage of any southern magnolia. The other parent may be Brackens so it may also be hardier.
Thank you for the information. I should note that I'm not particularly interested in growing magnolia grandiflora myself, but I am posting for my parents. I do recall about 5 years ago, while I was in Ohio seeing a good deal of grandifloras being sold up along Lake Erie at certain nurseries. My father purchased his first Edith Bogue in Akron. The BBB I bought for them was from the Eastern Cleveland Suburbs. I am a plant enthusiast and was truly amazed to see the fact that so many Ediths and BBB's had survived in pots, in the ground, with little to NO damage after consecutive nights around zero and record snowfall in March. I have also spent some time antiquing with them in Lebanon/Waynesville, Ohio and visited some nurseries in the Dayton/Cincy area and I do realize that by the time one reaches Cincy that the variety of grandifloras one can grow expands greatly.
I wasn't personally impressed w/ the looks of Edith Bogue, though it makes a nice specimen for the north. I was much more impressed with the looks of BBB, Little Gem and DD Blanchard. I found the tomentum on the Blanchards to be most attractive, though I was told in Cincy it would not be hardy in Cleveland and to stay with BBB.
David- what type of damage does Little Gem incur in Cincinnati? Do any of the grandifloras suffer winter damage/burn in Cincinnati? I'm under the impression that the most damage to grandiflora in winter actually comes from win and sun, not from cold. Many Grandiflora's can tolerate temperatures below zero, but when the ground is frozen and the evergreen leaves are exposed to bright winter sun, damage occurs. Would sighting more tender grandifloras against a building or out of winter sun help with something like Little Gem?
Locally, I am seeing more and more varieties being sold in places that never before carried them in my area. I think there are probably at least three reasons for this. 1.) People are realizing that grandifloras may be hardy in their area even in not traditionally grown in the area, 2.) There has been a lot of work improving the cold hardiness of specific cultivars, 3.) Climatic changes may be pushing their range north. As to cold hardy cultivars, I have heard of the following as being known for cold hardiness: Edith Bogue, Little Gem, Bracken's Brown, and Victoria (free flowering, compact, dark green, vigorous). I know there are others but these are the ones I am familiar with and grow. I also grow Green Giant (very fast grower but not renown for its cold hardiness, nor compactness), Majestic Beauty (very large flowers and lush, sprawling habit. I actually like all of them; each cultivar has its particular advantages. I've read previously about Bogue not being particulally attractive but grown for its cold hardiness. I don't really
understand this critism. I have two Bogues. Both seem to have medium tomentum, are relatively compact, dark green leaves and relatively large flowers. I was going to report a favorite one, but I can't! In answer to your question about leaf scald. Yes, it is true that bitter cold in February or March (as the sun is getting stronger) can be more of a problem than cold earlier in the season. Partially shading in a very cold winter area would be helpful and lessen burning. But you want all of these plants/trees to be given adequate room to grow because most eventually get quite BIG (vertically and HORIZONTALLY). I would be very careful about placement next to a house (though, you're right, it would be milder there). Don't do it!! Also, SPRAY WITH AN ANTI-DESSICATE in November for all newly transplanted trees. Good luck!:)
I don't have Little Gem but I have talked to 2 peolpe that have grown if for the last 10 years here with no problems. Brackens is planted and sold here more than any other selection. In the winter you can get winter burn on the leaves some years but it doesn't hurt the plants.
As far as winter sun and wind goes I agree that they play a factor. The more established a plant is the less of a factor it will be asthe plant roots will be more establishes and more able to supply moisture in the winter. From what I have seen here I would think that the hardier selections of southern magnolia can take -20 for short period of time.
This past November, I planted two espaliered 'little gems'. I didn't know about the dessication issue, so I didn't treat them to protect them for it. They are now looking rather sorry and brown. Are the branches with the burnt leaves dead, or will these leaves just fall and be replaced?
Thank you.
Theresa ~
I assume the 6 indicates Zone 6. I will base my answer on what information you provided.
"This past November, I planted two espaliered 'little gems'."
~ Ouch! November!! I plant all of my Magnolia grandiflora cultivars in SPRING. Why? - This gives them a full growing season to make root growth before their first winter. Do not despair as I do not know of what your winter conditions are like and how you treated/prepared them for winter. I "baby" my trees for at least 3 years to ensure that they are established.
"I didn't know about the dessication issue, so I didn't treat them to protect them for it. They are now looking rather sorry and brown."
~ I hope that you watered them well up unto late fall and they went into winter under moist conditions. I do not know about your wind, temps, sun reflection off house - siding color can make a difference.
" Are the branches with the burnt leaves dead, or will these leaves just fall and be replaced?"
~ Is the bark on the branches still green? If so they MAY still be alive - best to wait until the trees put on new growth. If an when they do, the trees should look as good as when they were first planted. I lose leaves in spring, but they will replace them.
The fact that they are espaliered ( against house?) should help...
Just have to wait and see..........
March 9, 2009 - Update
I checked all magnolias - all except for Edith Bogue have burn on their leaves. The burn is not severe, however the winter has been colder and windier than normal. My magnolias normally lose leaves in the spring when new growth begins so I am not too concerned with springtime leaf dropping.
The trees have burlap screens on the side where the Sun would normally shine on them in the afternoon and the burlap is on the side that the winds normally come from.
I gently "wiggled" random buds on all Magnolias. A stiff rigid bud indicates winter kill and possible die back. All buds that I tested were flexible indicating that they survived to this point. I have done this last year so I am confident that they have survived the worst of this winter.
How did this work out for your parents?
Just some comments on Cleveland vs. Cincinnati as a former Ohioan chiming in:
As far as absolute minimums, and all-time record lows, Cincinnati has actually been colder than Cleveland in many instances. The lake warms Cleveland a bit on cold winter nights (the Ohio River is too narrow to have much effect in Cincy except *right* on the shoreline. Cincy also tends to have somewhat clearer skies leading to colder nights at times. Both are rated zone 6a.
However, Cleveland's AVERAGE winter temps are about 6 degrees colder than Cincinnati, and Cleveland is more likely to see prolonged subfreezing temps lasting many days. Probably puts CLE at a slight disadvantage over Cincy in that department for a S. Mag. Also, Cleveland gets more snow, and snow load can be a problem for S. Mags.
Overall though they probably have some options to try!
I've seen southern mags die back even here in zone 7. Not sure of the varieties though, and likely they went into the winter not well tended (dried out).
Also, just a note that 'Little Gem' really does not handle heavy snow and ice loads very well. I'm always getting broken limbs nearly every other winter.
Victoria here is fine. A fair bit of leaf-browning & fallen leaves on the south side -- the most since it was very young -- but not a real issue. Plastered by wet snow several times, but its shortish branches popped back up.
Just recently had enough snow melt to go looking at some trees on the property, and my Edith Bogue was one of them. She's been a star performer other than her first year or two after planting. Never had any branch breakage, to speak of. Not much winter burn with no extra precautions. This winter, she's looking pretty weather beaten on the foliage, but we've had some really nasty temps for prolonged periods and winds accompanying some of it. So far, it's leaf burn on maybe twenty percent of foliage. Have to wait and see, I guess how it snaps out of it come warm weather (or not). I'd hate to lose her, she's rather large and quite lovely.
I have grown Magnolia grandiflora "Edith Bogue" successfully in Guelph Ontario for 3 years. Planted outdoors in moist clay loam , slightly above grade and acidified by pine bark, peat moss, humus mix as top dressing . Watered regularly in winter thaws with luke warm water to keep surface roots drawing moisture for leaves ( to mitigate wind desiccation/ winter sunburn ) Flowered 3rd year after planting. Now 9ft high ( 8-12 inches /year) . Growing well this spring (2014) after extraordinarily cold winter down to negative 34C for several nights in January/February. Some leaf dessication this year (first time since planted, probably because of very cold winter)) and 25% leaf burn from spring sun (possibly due to late soil thaw this year as sun got stronger), but these leaves will drop anyway as a matter of course to be replaced by new leaves by June 1. New leaf buds already swelling. Also successfully growing Magnolia asheii, Magnolia virginiana "Porcelain Dove ( amazing plant), 2 hardy crape myrtles, 5 hardy camellias, stewartia and franklinia alamataha amongst other rare/ endangered / and zone pushers. All doing well.


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@ 2015-02-01 – 19:15:40
A Chameleon with ties to UKIP
@ 2014-11-19 – 18:40:59
During coverage of Chameleon Dave's final token visit to the doomed Tory cause called Rochester and Strood yesterday, the Stoat sits abruptly up on his springy reed bed at the sight of the PM brazenly sporting the old UKIP blackcurrant leash!
Just as I've suggested through several posts over many a long year; politicians do in fact attempt to play subliminal mind games with the electorate via the colour of the tie they accidently-on-purpose choose to wear for a given event or speech. Gone on Tuesday was the true Tory blue tie shining beacon-brightly out at us at PM Qs, Conference platform rant or Lord Mayor's Banquet lame joke-around; nay, herewith the Prime Minister of this country clinging desperately to a dope's hope - magical thinking. That somehow the sight of big chief Downing Street wearing UKIP colors will, in some Freudian way, sway UKIP waverers into believing a Farage mirage to be nearly the same as Farage himself in all but fag & pint down the local, name.
Nice try, loser
UKIP Dave with the ravishing Kelly Tolhurst, the Conservative candidate for the seat of R&S
18/11/2014 ( image courtesy Daily Torygraph )
Image from June 1st 2014 blog post; " Cam Clegg & 'Bland - UKIP suit you sirs!!! "
Linkback here
Update; 26/11 The wretched Nick Clegg now dangling by the UKIP lifeline leash too - as predicted.
Nick " UKIP colors" Clegg is set to outline his proposals to curb benefits to European Union migrants during a meeting with his German counterpart in Berlin.
Toodle pip
Bend it again Sepp.
@ 2014-11-14 – 20:17:38
All the old Cheeky Stoat gags are the best ..so here we go again following the latest sewer of corruption manhole cover-lift view down on more passing poo'ey naughtiness by those loveable rogues FIFA and World Cup bidding-rigging in favor of Qatar and holding the tournament in a frikkin' outdoor oven.
This guy'll bend it all day long with a piss-taker's permagrin etched far and wide across his fat, greasy, corrupt old chops; while that evergreen stuck-in-a-football time warp clique of old school tie tossers, that anachronistic archetype of the days of Coleman commentary and the leather ball - the FA - simmer with impotent rage.
That'll teach 'em to play fair with foreigners!
Toodle pip
( Link to BILB artwork from 2011 )
"Global Warming & CO2 rises" - a stoat's angle.
@ 2014-09-21 – 07:54:16
Sparked by fellow blogger in arms Ian Thorpe's latest, lampooning the so-called climate change experts, the bought-off scientists so-called consensus - have a butchers
Here's how a stoat down a dank hole might - just might - make more sense than the entire IPCC..
As vehicle numbers in large cities and conurbations worldwide rise almost exponentially, it'd be interesting to discover the downwind effect their emissions may be having on data from the measuring stations scientists use to derive figures on global CO2 and temperature rise.
It may well be that stated global increases in CO2 and temperature that are imputed to be global are merely the result of combined readings corrupted by increases in localized pollution.
Determining the geographical proximity of these measuring and sampling stations to large cities and analysing the prevailing wind directions at each location may give one good explanation for apparent global temperature and/or CO2 rises.
Glacier retreat may also be explained in quite another way apart from mean air temperature allegedly rising. Particulates of industrial and vehicle emission (especially with regard to the dramatic increase in soot-producing diesel-powered cars and HGVs ) pollution are being deposited onto glaciers ( fallout in rain & snow ) at a greater volume than at any time in man's history. These particles are dark or black in colour, the colour that absorbs maximum heat due to its albedo ( reflective index) being very much less than the native snow or ice onto which it falls. Therefore a much greater amount of the sun's energy in form of radiation is absorbed through into the glacier than would previously be the case, causing it to melt and retreat from its pre-industrial extent.
The gold standard test for this hypothesis naturally being to compare retreats - or absence of - similar latitude and altitude glaciers of those remote from large industrial and population centres, with those relatively close by.
- M.St.M
As they say, there's usually a good reason for everything - but it aint necessarily the one they gave you at school, kiddies
* Copy&paste away, fellow surfers ...but be a decent chap or chapette and give a Stoat credit.. or I'll be down yer trousers like my cousin the ferret.
Saturday silliness, IBC down under..
@ 2014-09-13 – 10:49:51
Bibi & Blair meet Gilbert & George
@ 2014-08-10 – 07:26:19
Arse Holes
c. London Dada 2014
Re-working of the infamous Gilbert and George "artwork" Bum Holes.
A self-evident appropriation where additional comment is totally superfluous.
Bum Holes ( 1994 )
c. Gilbert & George
- from their remarkable Shitty World series of the early 90s that rendered the talented twosome flush with success!
Make of the gallery commentator's convoluted justification for male excrement, urine and semen on canvas what you, er, willy.
" The visual co-existence of any combination of the anal (shit), the penile (piss, spunk) and the oral (spit) challenges further the masculine rigidity of I, which provokes what Calvin Thomas calls male anxiety and catalyses the queer affinities of the imagery. "
Ahh FFS!
London Dada; Reconnecting art with true perception and criticism of the times we live in.
How Israel exercises its " right to self defence".
@ 2014-07-16 – 16:28:25
Specifically the banana attack.
Israel has no right to defend land stolen through the ethnic cleansing of an entire people from their ancestral homeland and by use of indiscriminate mass genocide of civilians: against the very descendants of the surviving refugees living in the world's largest prison, Gaza. Quite to the contrary, Palestinians certainly do have the right, both morally and in international law; to resist decades of occupation and blockade of even medical supplies, their inhumane imprisonment and denial of basic human rights over decades.
Israel has virtually wiped Palestine off the map, yet, amazingly, is outraged at vengeful terrorists suggesting the reverse should happen as just recompense.
Two thousand Palestinian civilians killed and thousands more horribly injured, many maimed for life - including hundreds of children - vs less than a hundred Israelis, 95% of them soldiers killed or injured in battle during the illegal invasion of Gaza.
Israeli government Zionist terrorist thugs don't know the meaning of compassion, fairness or of proportionate response. To them, the life of a Palestinian in the Zionist-created concentration camp called Gaza is worth less than that of an animal.
Kow-towing gutless politicians and statesmen - even, shamefully, the Arab League - make the usual token grudging whimpers of protest about "restraint" to the almighty Zionists. If Israel nuked Gaza tomorrow, you get the feeling even that would be tolerated in the long run, so ingrained by racial cronyism now is their corrupt and perverse influence at the heart of western establishment and mainstream media, proof of which is self-evident by the silence of the leaders including our own, David Chameleon - along with Ed Millibland and the wretched Clegg; fully paid-up sycophants of "The Friends of Israel"; in the face of unspeakable war crimes and genocidal atrocity never before seen in the history of warfare in the respect that the civilian population is fenced in and has nowhere to escape to for safe shelter.
They're bombing mosques, hospitals and even targeting ambulances, the morgues are full to overflowing and the medical staff unable to cope with the stream of victims; whilst Israel continues to restrict access to relief aid at the one and only border crossing.
And still Obama gives these heartless sub humans the green light to continue wreaking death and destruction previously unknown in warfare, onto an entire civilian population.
Not for the first time the mental atmosphere of the entire planet is being polluted with anxiety, fear, grief and hatred by the unspeakably evil war crimes of the Israeli military; you don't have to be a sensitive psychic to feel it.
Israelis will never achieve the balance of peace and security that they crave, so long as their government continues to practice unspeakable barbarity against the Palestinians and to deny them their human rights and legitamate claim to a state of their own. How long will it take for truth to dawn - for hearts to open?
Jam Tomorrow Politics - 'give us more! '
@ 2014-06-07 – 19:04:38
A Triptych of 'Jam Tomorrow Politicians' TM
The Con hold (a conman's hold) in Newark this week, albeit with a much-reduced majority, goes to show the electorate in this country can be flayed half to austerity death by a bunch of privileged out-of-touch crooks yet still be counted on to get their vote, even when their former MP, the bent bar steward Patrick Mercer, was forced to quit after being exposed in an unlawful lobbying scandal. Terminally unreal.
Not that the Stoat advocates UKIP as the solve-all to the nation's woes - but bloody hell Middle England, grow the f*king spine to try something post-WW2 different FFS.
The time-honoured world of Jam Tomorrow Politics, where don't worry everything's going to be just fine and dandy-rosy in the garden of tomorrow, blooming hedgerows of electoral pledges and all... if you can just hang on, work hard and keep swallowing the never-ending compost heap of shite they're forking out to you today...and I don't know whether anyone's ever noticed, but last time the stoat at least checked, it's always today - yes?
Cam, Clegg & Milli' - UKIP suit you sirs!
@ 2014-06-01 – 19:21:44
Ed Milliband on the rebound and holding forth, soft-soaping the crowd with more " Jam Tomorrow Politics" c / w grandoise Tony Bliar -style "Billy big balls statesman" hand gestures, at a Labour gathering the day after the Euro elections nightmare before... nicely turned-out and sporting a UKIP colored tie we see.
Co-incidental / Subliminal? Hardly.
And a UKIP flavor shirt awaiting Chameleon Dave on his return from Brussels and pathetic grovel plead to lard arse Merkel and the EU tin pot bureaucrats to adopt a more basically UKIP-leaning stance.
* Update Friday Oct' 25th. Nice to see The Times Cartoonist Peter Brookes got the idea in the end, albeit with dyslexia.
+ We'd been referring to Cameron as UKIP Chamlelion for weeks prior to this.
Nigel Farage with trademark pint... and Vince "froth" Cable pictured during his pub outing with Nick Clegg today - you guessed it sporting the obligatory UKIP blackcurrant leash and drinking from the identical Farage " workin' bloke " tipple well.
Well well well whatever next - The LibDoomed arguing for an in/out Euro referendum before 2015? You Bet !
First all three main parties and all the MSM subject Farage to a barrage of cheap shot juvenile personal abuse.. then when the electorate still vote for the party that best reflects their real concerns; start pilfering UKIPs clothes boith politically and literally.
Cameron, Clegg, Milliband and UK Main Sewerstream media paid-off journos, hacks, cartoonists & editors - anti-democracy bastards beneath contempt.
Toodle pip
* " Jam Tomorrow Politics" and " Jam Tomorrow Politicians" are phrases coined and introduced online by Michael St. Mark, 25th May 2014
A Lardy Lord's apology for an apology
@ 2014-05-29 – 20:59:36
Breaking news on C4 this evening; that bastion of defense of womens' rights, Lord Rennard, finally apologizes to the four Lib Dem ladies who, over the past 15 months, have insisted he groped them during the course of their Parliamentary duties.
In a blood-from-a-stone long-overdue letter to the women, the gracious Lord says sorry for " invading their personal space" ( lol ) and assures them it was entirely " inadvertent " ( LOL ).
So; the lard-laden Lord claims to have sneaked his sweaty paws down the back of a female party colleague's attire by accident... yet C4s Cathy Newman, in interview with one of the victims - Ms Goldsworthy - didn't have the common gumption to spot the gropingly obvious and raise the insulting nature of Rennard's apology ( poor show, Channel 4 )
In that case; here at Stoat tunnels we thought it would definitely be rendering a valuable service to the overweight ermined one, to point out the subtle difference between an open filing cabinet and a lady's skirt; both of which I suppose could inadvertently be mistaken one for the other when frantically dipping ones hands here n' there abouts a busy office in the hectic thoes of coalition - if one urgently needs to get one's dirty MCP arse over to Specsavers that is...
Note to diary, Lord Rennard - the open filing cabinet drawer is at bottom left. picture
Toodle pip!
* Linkback to the first CS Lord Rennard post, " when only a few words will suffice".
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Both Boone and Doug Worthington starting the 1st games of the year after their DUIs. Tressel couldn't even suspend them for cupcake openers just to save face.
I was a student at the time, Boone was so drunk that he passed out at the wheel and smashed into a parked car on campus. He could have killed multiple people including himself, Tressel really projected the sweater vest morals by starting him against Northern Illinois.
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I have a special place in my heart for any victim of the 1999 expansion Browns team.
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Improvement irons. First off, if height is an issue then you definitely need your clubs fitted. Adjusting to clubs that are the improper height can set off a chain reaction of terrible fundamentals in your set up. You could be destined for a bad shot before you even take the club back.
The new Callaway Big Bertha irons, Callaway XR standard, Rocketbladez standard irons, Titleist AP-1 is where you should start swinging.
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Driver tech has only varied slightly in the past 5 years, they're mostly putting the same gift in a different box. There are major deals to be had with new drivers that are 2-3 seasons old. Irons on the other hand have improved dramatically to make mishits playable.
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Played it. I'm also a big fan of his Bond movies. His comedic play on it was what made it charming.
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You cannot compare his season to Mike Hart. Hart had 318 carries in 2006 and Fitz had 187 in 2011. Fitz had a great season.
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I'm always worried about the players those 3 teams let go.
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Isn't it possible that if given the chance the players would make the exact same decision to play no matter what they had to do?
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Asian & European pears on same tree?
Is there a reason that no one sells combo trees with both Asian and European pears?
I realize that there are pollination issues, but I've seen trees with 4 or 5 varieties, which would be enough to have two of each type. And the multi-grafted Asian and multi- European pear trees offered by Raintree are both grafted onto the same rootstock, so the reason isn't rootstock compatibility.
I'm down to the last two spots in my yard that I can place a tree without causing marital discord, and one of those needs to be a pollinizer for my plumcot, but I'd really like to squeeze in both Asian & Euro pears somehow.
If it's a reasonable idea, but not commercially available, I'm game for trying to make one myself, in which case, I would prefer to start with a tree instead of rootstock - can you graft Asian to European or vice versa?
I have a tree that started out as a Seckel pear. I grafted on Comice, Bosc, Housi, and Korean Giant. They all did fine for about 6-7 years with Bosc and Comice growing more. So the three Europeans seem compatible. But the last 3-4 years the Asian's, Housi and Korean Giant have been in decline. Each year they die back a little more. The Housi I don't care about losing. I've grafted KG on another that was 20th Century and it's growing like a weed.
So there maybe some delayed compatibility issues.
You don't need a pollinator for an Asian unless you love spending hrs thinning. Well actually even without a pollinator you will still spend hrs thinning.
Really? I've read that Shinseiki and Nijiseiki are partially self-fertile, so the two with "Century" in their English names, but only those two. And some places only say Shinseiki.
Is there any reason that they couldn't be grafted onto the same compatible rootstock? I think it was OHxF33 or 97.
If grafted directly onto the rootstock then you should be able to put both on one tree. Mine were all grafted onto Seckel.
Maybe there are places that Asians don't set well period or don't set well without cross pollination. But it's not something I'd worry about.
For commercial production I expect its pollination. There is a much bigger chance a variety will lose its pollinator and make it useless.
I have a bunch of those I grafted myself. I have not had any problems with compatibility but some combos are supposed to be problematic. In particular Euro on Asian is more problematic than the other way. Most of mine are with both on rootstock but I also have some Asian on Euro that are doing well. One combo failed, Olympic on some Euro I don't remember now. I then put Olympic on a different Euro and its doing fine.
I have a shinko and a hosui tree that are in their third year. I traded for some bartlett cuttings and am going to graft them onto both trees to have multiple varities on one tree. I am in zone 7, N. VA. I have decided to do the grafting in late April. The last freeze is expected tonight and the trees are leafing out and preparing to bloom. The cuttings are larger caliper than I would like, about 3/4 inch. What type of graft should I use since the cuttings will be larger than the recieving branch?
Would a Kieffer pear be a good choice to graft onto since it's already a cross between Asian & Euro?
Since I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to grafting, it would be nice to start with something that would still be useful even if all the grafts fail!
Would a Kieffer pear be a good choice to graft onto since it's already a cross between Asian & Euro?
Since I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to grafting, it would be nice to start with something that would still be useful even if all the grafts fail!
I have a youngish Keiffer that's become, over the years, 'foster home' to a dozen or more different pear varieties. Some Euro, some Asian, most EuroXsand pear hybrids (like Keiffer, Orient, etc.)
Pears are easy to graft. We sometime kid that you can just throw the scions at the tree, or just get them together in the same room - and you'll have success. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much of one.
Charlie that is Euro on asian so stands a greater chance of failure. I never tried one myself so can't add any personal experiences. For a large scion on smaller stock I use a simple wedge and align one side. Wrap very tightly.
Christy, Re: Kieffer I have heard it works reasonably well as a rootstock but if you are buying something you may as well get an Old Home rootstock or some other more standard one.
What does it mean for a graft to fail? Obviously, it could just not do anything, but several posts have talked about it seeming fine for years, then suddenly failing. Does the actual graft junction fail, or is the grafted portion of the tree just weaker and more prone to whatever diseases are floating around? Are there warning signs before that happens?
I've found a number of sources for rootstock, but scion wood seems to be expected to come from friends or trades. Are there reputable place you can just buy it?


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"We should ask ourselves: Where Fiat would be today if it did not encounter Marchionne on its road," said the Venice University business school dean, who has written two books on Fiat.
Volpato said that when Marchionne joined Fiat in June 2004 it looked unlikely that the company's auto division could be saved. The most viable pre-Marchionne option was to force General Motors to takeover Fiat Auto. The U.S. giant bought 20 percent of Fiat Auto for $2.4 billion in March 2000 and was contractually obligated to buy the remaining 80 percent.
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I had an unscheduled shoulder surgery and didn't get to harvest my potatoes. I planted fingerling and German butterball potatoes. I also planted so Oca.
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I hope you're on the mend. You've certainly nothing to lose by digging around to see what you have! Better to do that than leave them to rot in the ground. I would think that the raised beds wouldn't offer enough protection to overwinter them. I've never left them in the ground past fall, so hopefully some more experienced potato growers will chime in.
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Guess what? I just discovered.....
I just discovered what I may do with my own throw away fan..Or two...I will paint it a flower color or maybe psychedelic color (at one of my kids suggestion) as a yard deco....Thanks to you all here for getting my mind going...and making good use of what can be.....1st time posting...can you tell???
I could just kick myself. I got a retro turquoise green fan from my Dad's junk pile. DH fixed so it ran for a month or so before the motor died. Anyhow, once it died, DH looked at me and said, don't even think about keeping it, it's going in the trash. I shoulda snuck it out of the trash and dismantled it. Those fan blades were cool........
Garden Momma, I am making a whirlygig out of mine. I just posted about this over on Garden Junk. I have a stand fan that the only part that won't be used is the motor. The 2 grids will be birdfeeders and a hanging basket, the base will be a table base for a flower stand, and the fan blades will be the whirlygig.
Now I'm kicking myself, I had a small personal sized fan that burned out a couple of months ago. I could have used those blades as a flower decoration! dang it!
BTW, hi, it's nice to be back on the T2T forum. I posted here months ago before my move, and got so snowed under with life stuff that I hadn't had a chance to post before now.


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What is this "Dominican Style" recipe you speak of? And will it help me get chicks naked too?
Usually said chicks were naked on some day prior to me making them dinner, or I made them dinner an hour or two before nudity. Also, I made the beans on a "camping" trip once that had a clothing optional hot tub. The beans and the nudity in the latter instance are coincidental of each other.
But for the beans I use two cans of goya (or similar) black beans, 1 small onion chopped, 4 cloves garlic minced, 1 can of tomato paste and a packet of sazon goya. If I want a little spice and make the beans completely inauthentic I will chop and add a jalepeno as well. I sweat my aromatics in a little olive oil, salt and pepper, and then add my beans (the whole can, water included) and stir over medium heat while adding a packet of sazon. When the seasoning is where I want it to be, and some of the water has evaporated, I add my tomato paste and stir in. I take off the heat and deam ready to serve when the beans have thickened considerably and you can serve over rice with a ladel.
That's sounds good, but not as good as it did when I thought it had a 3:4 chance of getting a girl naked...
You have to be of the attitude that you arent wasting good beans on the forever clothed...
It's not so bad if you think about it in the terms that you also get to eat some of the beans. It's not like you are giving her all of the beans with the expectation that she will take off her clothes.
I'll have to try this in a few days. My family is likely to have other plans for meals. They did not partake of my beans.
Southern beans:
Cranberry beans
Ham hock or side meat
Salt and pepper
My wife's grandmother's homemade chow chow
A great book is The Gift Of Southern Cooking by Edna Lewis and Scott Peacock. My bible for old fashioned southern food done right.
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The only thing worse than dumping beer is serving beer you should have dumped.