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Help With a Heat Pump decision
I would love some help deciding on a heat pump. I am looking at Carrier and Trane. I have the Carrier info below (hope prices are OK), but not the full Trane info with me as I am travelling.
I live in Southern Oregon. Our house is 2200SF, multi level w/ 20 ft vaulted ceilings in the lower level.
We currently have an 11 year old, 4T Carrier system with a 2 zone system that just had the condenser go out in. Rather than do a "Dry Unit" we are thinking about doing a whole new system.
The Trane rep has quoted me $8,800 for a 4T XR17 w/ TAM air handler (sorry dont have info) and new lines. He is talking about using the existing Carrier 2 zone system and Tstat with the new system. The other option is an XR15 with the same options for $8,000
Below is what the Carrier guy gave me...He is not replacing the lines. Also, we do not really want the 4 zone module because we dont need it. He said it was not an option.
I am leaning towards the Trane....What should I be concerned about or asking??
Thanks for the help!!
Remove and recycle existing heat pump and fan coil.
Provide and install a new high efficiency Carrier Infinity Zone system.
OPTION 1: 4 ton Infinity Greenspeed, Puron heat pump and Infinity variable speed communicating fan coil with 20 KW aux heat. Infinity 4 zone control module with Infinity Smart Zone user interface controls. (18.3 SEER,13.5 EER,12.5 HSPF)
COST: $15,491.00 Less $2,323.00 RVHA Cash Discount $13,168.00
( Unit qualifies for Carrier mail in rebate of $1,150.00 and Oregon Energy Trust Rebate of up to $500.00)
TOTAL INVESTMENT: after rebates $11,518.00
OPTION 2: 4 ton Infinity 2 speed Puron heat pump and Infinity variable speed communicating fan coil with 20 KW aux heat. Infinity 4 zone control module with Infinity Smart Zone user interface controls. (16.8 SEER,13.1 EER,9.5 HSPF)
COST: $14,155.00 Less $2,123.00 RVHA Cash Discount $12,032.00
(Unit qualifies for Carrier mail in rebate of $1,000.00 and Oregon Energy Trust Rebate of up to $500.00)
TOTAL INVESTMENT: after rebates $10,532.00
OPTION 3: 4 ton Infinity single speed Puron heat pump and Infinity variable speed communicating fan coil with 20 KW aux heat. Infinity 4 zone control module with Infinity Smart Zone user interface controls. (15.5 SEER,12.5 EER,8.5 HSPF)
COST: $11,799.00 Less $1,769.00 RVHA Cash Discount $10,030.00
(Unit Qualifies for Carrier mail in rebate of $525.00)
TOTAL INVESTMENT: after rebate $9,505.00
I would want to see model numbers for the HP condensers and air handlers.
Of course the GreenSpeed is the nicer of the systems. Great pricing. Understand you are paying for the low temp heating efficiency with the GreenSpeed.
There have been a few noise related issues with the GreenSpeed. Not trying to scare you off but you should know. You might go to youtube and check this out. I would want to qualify the dealer that he is a certified in GreenSpeed installs. Carrier has a special class. The heat strips should be staged. Any air filter cabinet?
Thanks for the reply! I have the model numbers for the Trane system at home so I can post them when I get back. All I have from the Carrier dealer is what. I posted above....should I ask him for those?
I wasn't really looking at the Greenspeed due to costs. We were hopeing to stay closer to that $8k - $9k range so I was leaning to the Trane options or #3 above. Is the extra $2 - 3k really gonna pay off over the next 5-10 years? Our current system was a 12 SEER and probably 8 - 8.5 HSPF (I'm guessing) and we never had any issues with heating or cooling so I figured those options were a little overkill.
My main concern is if I go with the a Trane system will it really work with the current Carrier Tsat and 2 zone system that I have like the dealer is telling me? He quoted me an additional $3,200 to do the Trane zoning and Tstat, but as I said we are tryin to keep the cost down if possible.
The price after all rebates you have gotten on the Greenspeed is very attractive. I realize it is more money you want to spend, but don't discount it until you do some return on investment calculations.
How much are you currently spending each year on heating and cooling? What are the typical summer highs and winter lows? The more money you spend on energy, the shorter the ROI time period.
The Greenspeed has very good low temperature performance. This means the auxiliary heat strips would be locked out a lower temperature and used less frequently. This translates into savings. There will also be some savings during the summer.
Here is the 2 year history for our power, but I'm not sure how to know how much of it is heating/cooling.
Period Days Usage (kwh) Bill Amount
Jun-14 30 1273 142.17
May-14 29 1477 168.14
Apr-14 29 2216 259.13
Mar-14 32 2768 324.44
Feb-14 28 2241 262.52
Jan-14 36 3774 435.35
Dec-13 29 1882 212.96
Nov-13 32 1567 172.48
Oct-13 25 1279 143.88
Sep-13 31 1958 220.78
Aug-13 30 2045 232.09
Jul-13 33 1960 219.4
Jun-13 32 1648 180.97
May-13 28 1544 171.49
Apr-13 32 2214 247.97
Mar-13 28 2428 276.75
Feb-13 29 2971 339.79
Jan-13 34 2737 302.9
Dec-12 29 1730 188.78
Nov-12 29 1529 165.23
Oct-12 33 1761 189.09
Sep-12 30 2061 226.78
Aug-12 33 2191 239.51
Jul-12 29 1684 183.41
Jun-12 29 1447 156.93
Our summer high temps average about 90 degrees with high temps reaching 105-110 at times. Winter low temps average about 30 with lows dropping down to 10-20 at times. We do use our gas fireplace a lot in winter to supplement our heating as well...
Does your house have natural gas? If it does then a better strategy may be to install a gas furnace and an AC condenser. Post your gas and electric rates. This will give an indication which type of heating is more economical for your location.
You can create an estimate of how much you have spent on heating and cooling during the last two years. First identify the months you know you did not use the heat pump. Take the average of those months. This represents the monthly electric usage for everything other than the heat pump. Next identify the months you know you used the heat pump for heating. Sum up the total usage for those months and subtract the average for each month. The difference is the money you spent on heating. Repeat this for the months you used the heat pump for cooling.
This method is not exact but at least it will give you an idea of the energy costs. It is good to do this over two years in case you had a year of unusual of hot or cold temperatures.
Thanks for the heads up on the Greenspeed noise! I watched some of the videos and don't think I would like that. Our unit sits right outside of our master and I can hear our current unit turn on and off and I think I would be annoyed if I had to listen to the Greenspeed all the time (kinda OCD)!
So if I don't choose the Greenspeed, do you guys still suggest Carrier over the Trane?
The Carrier tech is not replacing the lines...should I be concerned about that?
Mike, I appreciate the info on the Heating/cooling calculation. I'll try to figure it out, but I would guess that it is costing me $150 to heat and $100 to cool....? I really don't know but that is what it looks like.
Thanks again!
Not my intent to scare you off the GreenSpeed but it is something I feel you need to know. GreenSpeeds are mighty quiet. If not going GreenSpeed which has the best HSPF(COP) for heating, then Trane because of the electronic demand defrost feature which Carrier does not offer.
As long as the refrigerant lineset is the correct size to mfg spec, then flushing is OK as long as proper procedure is followed.
Trane XR17 or XL18i if you want the extra 2 yr on compressor warranty along with proprietary funky top which could help in your winter weather.
I also need some help on the Carrier Greenspeed 25VNA0 units I need 3 units with an air handler model# FE4ANF002these are 2 ton units each. Retro fit to existing duct. would anyone know of a cost for this unit? I really don't want to get shafted on such a large purchase.
I think you are paying more for heating and cooling. If find it hard to believe your costs are so low. You are also supplementing the heating with the fireplace so the numbers are skewed.
I may be wrong, but I thought the Greenspeed noise problems were solved by adding a muffler.
You have a low electric rate so the Greenspeed may be a little over kill. The Trane heat pump would seem a better value.
Thank you for the help guys! We have decided to go with the Trane system for $8,600
Air Handler #TAM7A0C48
15 KW Supplemental Heat
New Line Set
Connect to existing Carrier Zoning and Tstat.
Is there anything else I should be asking the tech to verify or do during install?
Appreciate it!!
I recommend a filter cabinet if you don't already have one. The 15 KW heat strip should be staged.
Tell me a little bit how Carrier zoning is set up. Trane dealer sees no issue using it?
This would be the better air handler choice.
5768478 Active Systems XR17 TRANE 4TWR7048A1 *AM7B0C60H51 1585 1270 48000 13.00 17.00 47000 9.50 30800 1 HRCU-A-CB 350 1045 Yes
We talked about a Filter Cabinet - Do you mean the Trane Perfect Fit or Clean Effects?
OK on the heat strip...I'll tell him I want that.
Not sure what you need per the zoning. It is a two zone system (upstairs/downstairs) that seems to work very well. We usually just turn of the upstairs zone unless we have people visiting. The tech seemed to think it would work fine, but I am going to ask again.
I don't see that air handler listed on the website. Should I just ask him about it? Is it just a 5T air handler or are there other benefits?
Thanks again!
The air handler I recommended has the best performance /efficiency numbers for the 4 ton XR17. AHRI #5768478. I would insist on it.
And I do recommend the Perfect Fit media cabinet.
I assume the thermostat is just for cutting the system on/off and the zoning panel actually controls each zone. Correct?
OK, will do on the air handler and media cabinet.
I'm sorry, I am not 100% sure, but I think so. I program both zones at the Tstat for each day and period. The panel is in the attic, but I have never looked at it. Here is the link to my Tstat...
Here is what my current zoning system is....Carrier Comfort Zone II. 2 Zone set up with remote sensor up stairs -
Comfort Zone II is a residential zoning system capable of providing zone control requirements for 2, 4, or 8 living areas. This system allows the homeowner to control the living environment in an individualized and energy efficient way. The Comfort Zone II kit includes the user interface, equipment controller, remote sensors, a duct temperature (LAT) sensor, and an outdoor temperature sensor.
Temperature settings will change automatically on schedule to reflect occupancy or usage
Fully modulating dampers regulate the flow of conditioned air into the zones
The system can selectively cool or heat certain portions of a home depending upon space temperature requirements
Indoor humidity can be displayed and controlled
Enables the IdealHumidity system by monitoring temperature plus humidity at the same time
Power Supply:
24VAC, 50VA, 60 Hz. Only one transformer required for a complete system
Add 5 VA for each additional damper
Electrical Ratings for Actuators:
24VAC, 50VA, 60 Hz. Supplied from WeatherMaker Control Center or Comfort Zone II Equipment Control
Actuators are factory mounted on dampers. Cycling time is 15 seconds
Guys are here installing the new unit....There seems to be some confusion. I told them about the 060 air handler you told me about above, but it seems he thought I meant I wanted the 5T outdoor unit. So this is what they are putting in...
4TWR7060A 5T Heatpump
TAM7A0C48 Air Handler
Am I getting screwed? The guy says he looked up the numbers and it was the best efficiency for my climate...
So they're upsizing from 4 tons to 5 tons? I wouldn't do that -- not on a zoned system when there were no comfort issues before and not without the necessary ductwork modifications. Going bigger in size when not necessary (as per a load calculation) likely won't provide the same level of comfort due to shorter runtimes. It may never 'need' to go to high stage (not sure how the zone control panel will be set up for staging). Without looking up the actual expanded performance data, low stage alone on a 4 ton 2-stage scroll unit will be fairly close to 4 tons (net capacity) -- you want the full advantages that a 2-stage unit has to offer.
What did the final contract that you signed specify to be installed?
This post was edited by ryanhughes on Thu, Jun 19, 14 at 13:53
Didn't sign a contract. Have a price sheet with several options and prices and just talked about which option we wanted to go with. When Tigerdunes recommended the other Air handler I called and talked to the rep and that seems to be where the confusion came in...That was my bad! Of course the rep isnt here yet...
Another question, the installer talked about setting the Air handler to 5T with the dip switch. Is that possible and should I let him do that?
You don't have the duct work to handle the 2000 CFM required for the 5 ton unit. In addition the larger condenser is going to create problems when one zone is calling for cooling. I don't know the capacity of the low stage but I would be concerned one zone would not be able to handle the air flow.
They say the duct work is over sized (which I knew it was) and there is a large bypass so that is why he said the 5 ton would be OK. However I told him that I wanted to go with the original options - 4T HP & 5T AH. It will be another two week delay because of scheduling, but I guess that will have to work.
Thanks for the help everyone!
Hello again! We are finally getting our heat pump issue resolved next week...They are putting in the 4T HP and the 5T AH. I am wondering what the difference is (if any) between the Tam7"B" that Tigerdunes recommends above and the TAM7"A" that they are talking about installing? I have searched and can't find anything related to the "B" airhandler...? Just want to make sure there are no issues this time! Here is what they have listed this time:
I think we are OK, but like I said, I don't want any drama this time!
Thanks for all your feedback previously and now!
I would like some advice or opinion on a quote received for a 3.5 ton Lennox heat pump model XP17. I live in the NY area and received a quote for $9,500 for the 3.5 ton XP17 with a CBX 40MU048 air handler.
The rep said he would include the backup heat strips necessary for my area.
The price appears to be on the high side but I am just not sure. There are $1,700 in rebates from my local electric company and from Lennox bringing the cost to $7,800 but I get the feeling the price is being inflated because of the rebates.
Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.
need help deciding, very confused in quotes with 2 different companies, I live in southwest Pa, currently have 30 yr old Ge forced air electric. 2 story colonial and full basement. The 2 story is @ 1,000sq ft per floor.
Company 1 gives 3 quotes
carrier 15 seer 3 ton hp #25hbc536a003 and fan coil fv4cnf002 heat strip 20 k non prog thermostat $7320
2nd quote, same as 1st but change fan coil to fb4cnp036 $7,000
3rd quote carrier 13 seer 3t 25hcd336a003 $6490
2nd company quotes
carrier 13 seer and coil $5915 no change in current old thermostat but going to a 3.5 ton
next proposal, 16 infinity two state hp infinity fan coil and infinity thermostat $10,895-1,000 cool cash rebate=$9895 and upped it to a 4ton unit and this includes 10yr parts and labor, the first company is charging $850 for that. Both said existing duct was ok.


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Hello, I have an upstairs (about 2000 sq ft) cooled by a Rheem 5 ton. I am planning on upgrading and got a quote on a Lennox XP17-048 for about $8700 after rebates. My several questions:
1) the salesman seemed to think that my original system was too big --is this possible?
2)I have read a lot about complaints on earlier Lennox heat pumps--is the XP17-048 reliable
3) is an 8700 cost reasonable on Long Island, NY?
thanks for any input
Why guess on the size? Dealer should perform a load calculation!
How do you heat home?
You are replacing a HP system?
I prefer Trane or sister company AmStd over Lennox but that's my bias.
$8700 for the XP17 4 ton is not a bad price for LI, NY but I would want to know more details such as air handler Mdl number, size heat strip, and thermostat. Anything on new refrigerant lineset? Should be if you are downsizing. What about filter cabinet and thermostat?
" the salesman seemed to think that my original system was too big --is this possible? "
Have there been improvements in air sealing windows or insulation since the old system was installed? If so, then sure thing. Is the old system operating, nominally? If so, what is it doing on the most hot, humid days? If it is running constantly or nearly constantly on those days, the system is right-size. If it is spending significant time off, it is oversized.
Is the duct work for the upstairs AC in the attic? If yes, has a contractor evaluated for size, leaks, and layout?
The proper way to size an AC is to do a load calculation. I would think a 3 or 3.5 ton condenser would be sufficient for upper floor of 2000 sq. feet. The 5 ton was over sized, and my suspicions is the duct work was probably too small to handle the air flow.
Thanks for your responses:
1) it includes an HC10 filter cabinet and the Icomfort thermostat. I have gas heat, so I do not expect to be using the unit for heating much (just as a backup?) the handler is the CBX32MV48. We don't have any hyperallegenic children, so I'm not sure why I want to go the route of an additional (expensive) filter cabinet.
2) I also priced out the Lennox system--just AC--using a 5 ton system (XC17-60) and CBX32MV-068 handler). After rebates, it comes to about $8200 for the system.
3) To complicate matters, another salesman came in and quoted a Tempstar TX5600 with an FVM4+ handler for around 7600. I'm under the impression that Tempstar, while pretty good and quiet, is not as good as Lennox--does that make sense?
4) Re home improvements: while we redid our house and put in better windows, the contractor did not install an extraordinary amount of insulation or seal properly (ie, we had someone come in to evaluate). As a result, based on ionized's comments, i'll stick with the 5 ton unit. The ac doesn't cycle constantly--it will turn on, cool for an hour or two and then shut off.
I would recommend a load calculation. By a company or yourself. Just because your old system would runn for a few hours then shut off, doesn't mean it's not oversized. There could be a problem with it. After the house is cooled, I can't imagine a system running for a few hours. Maybe 15 minutes or so.
over40 , "I can't imagine a system running for a few hours. Maybe 15 minutes or so. "
I think most techs can agree you want at least 25-60 minute run times on cooling mode depending on ambient temp and RH levels in the home. It could also run continuous maintaining the set temp if 100F+ temp outside and the unit is sized correctly. If the system runs for 15 minutes or less its typically a sign of being over-sized but not always.
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HOUSTON, July 13— The long-awaited thawing in the relationship between Roger Clemens and Mike Piazza as teammates for the National League in the All-Star Game was remarkable only for how unattractive it was. Everyone waited for four years for this pairing to see the duo combine for this?
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The pitcher and ambassador had a bad night all around because his prediction was wrong, too. The A.L. prevailed over Piazza, Clemens and the rest of the N.L.
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It's been enjoyable to spend time researching some of the real specialty cold-weather gear needed for Denali, and I've made some selective purchases.
Daniella and I took the opportunity presented by the President's Day long weekend to head to Zion National Park in Utah. I hadn't been to Zion since my first trip there a decade ago while I was at business school, and I was keen to go back and explore more of the park.
We flew to Las Vegas on Friday evening, and after some stuffing around with the rental car (and tracking down an REI to buy fuel for the camp stove) we hit the road around 9pm and drove north up I-15 through Nevada, through the north-west corner of Arizona and into Utah. It was after midnight when we drove into the park, and as everything was closed we went to the Watchman campground to hopefully find a place to camp for the night. All the signs said the campground was full, but we drove around until we found what looked like a vacant spot and set up the tent in the gusty, cold wind.
At dawn we woke up to learn that we had set up the tent in someone else's site, but we were pointed towards a vacant campsite nearby which had just been vacated (it was first come first served); lucky we did so as the campsite was very full, and we would otherwise have been out of luck. The first thing we did was get to the wilderness desk at 8am to try and secure a permit for the following night, and we were lucky enough to score a great campsite up on the West Rim for the night we needed.
With all the admin out of the way, we drove north into Zion Canyon to do some sightseeing on what turned out to be a spectacular, sunny and cool day. We walked to the entrance to the Narrows (the famous canyon hike up the river) and were surprised to see so many brave souls wading in to what must have been some pretty icy cold water. We finished the day hiking up into Hidden Canyon, and after a nice 45 minute hike up to the mouth of the canyon we found an exposed rock overlooking the main canyon to have lunch on. After lunch we scrambled our way a distance into the canyon before turning around and heading back down to the car. On the way out of the canyon we stopped off at the park Lodge for a refreshing drink out on the deck looking up at the towers and cliffs. By the time we made it back to the campsite it was nearing sunset, so we grabbed some wine and scrambled up a nearby hill to watch the colours change.
The next morning we packed up camp and drove to the Grotto trailhead, arriving there around 9am. We saddled up with our boots and packs and started the hike uphill. We had secured a wilderness permit for one of the West Rim campsites, but rather than hike down into Zion Canyon from the north we were going to do West Rim the "hard way" all the way up from the canyon floor.
The early start meant we avoided the morning sun on much of the ascent. The trail was full with ill-equipped day hikers heading up Angel's Landing, but by around 10:30am we had reached the point at which the West Rim trail peeled away from the crowds. We had already done about half of the total ascent for the day so we took our foot off the gas a little and enjoyed the steady climb north on the trail along the edge of the canyon walls.
By early afternoon we crested the rim of the canyon and came across our campsite. Campsite #2 turned out to be a real winner, with space for just two people (ourselves) in a location with views back east over the canyon and a hint of Bryce Canyon cliffs in the distance. We dumped our gear and walked down to the West Rim spring, an iffy water source which was fortunately still flowing (just), and found a nearby rock on the cliff edge for a tasty picnic lunch.
After lunch we set up the campsite and left our gear there while we continue the hike to see some of the views out to the western side of the park. After a couple of hours of soaking in the views we returned back to our campsite and set to making dinner as the sun set and the temperatures dropped to around freezing.
As we were headed back the way we came up, we emerged back on the main Angel's Landing trail by mid-morning the next day. After stashing our packs away from the crowds we joined the conga line heading up the chains. It's an awesome, exposed hike and scramble along a knife-edge ridge with tremendous views, but I was frustrated and annoyed at the ridiculous number of people on the hike – with a fairly high number freaking out at the exposure and perceived "risk". What should have taken about 15-20 minutes took double that time waiting in the "traffic jams" of people going up and down. The views at the top did however make the hike up worthwhile – it's a world class outlook north and south along Zion Canyon.
We were back at the car around 2pm, and basking in the glow of our hiking success we started the long drive back to Vegas.
On the way out of Zion we swung by the old ghost town of Grafton, which has been abandoned since the late 1800s. There wasn't a lot there apart from a couple of old buildings and the Mormon church that had been restored, but it was a pleasant enough place for a picnic lunch. We drove back south through the desert and were back in Vegas by late afternoon. As our flight the next morning was at 6am, our plan was to grab a nice dinner, have a few drinks and stroll around the strip before getting a few hours of much-needed sleep before the early morning wake-up. We went to the Aria casino and were fortunate enough to get into Michael Mina's new French restaurant there AND take advantage of the happy hour specials
Brief update about a change in my departure date for Denali that has some exciting implications. It's just one day later than I originally planned (May 18th rather than May 17th), but I made the change to take advantage of the fact that explorer and guiding legend Vern Tejas will now be leading the May 18th departure! I wanted to take the opportunity to climb with someone so experienced (not just on Denali but on some of the biggest mountains around the world, as well as the polar regions), plus this departure is for six climbers rather than the original team of nine which is an advantage in my mind.
Here's Vern's bio from the Alpine Ascents website – looks like I'll be in good hands!!
Vern is known for Denali's first solo winter ascent, the first solo of Mt. Vinson (Antarctica's highest), first winter ascent of Mt. Logan (Canada's highest) and as lead guide for Col. Norman Vaughan's first ascent of Mt. Vaughan in remote Antarctica. In 2000, Vern was named one of Alaska's top 50 Athletes of the Century by Sports Illustrated and in 2012 was inducted into the Alaska Sports Hall of Fame.
In addition to his fame in the extreme environments of Alaska, Greenland and Antarctica, Vernon's success in guiding people to the summit is simply remarkable. Along with guiding numerous high altitude expeditions, Vern is a ten time summiteer of Everest and an avid adventure racer finishing 10th in 1999 and 13th in 2001 in the Eco-Challenge Race. Vern's guided ascents are an extremely unique blend of his dynamic spirit, climbing expertise and guiding savvy, known throughout the guiding community.
Recently Vern had outstanding success Mt. Vinson, Last Degree-South Pole, Denali, Elbrus (Europe's highest) and has guided all of our Everest expeditions this century. Notable among his accomplishments on the Seven Summits, Vern climbed and guided all 7 in 134 days (the current speed record), he has climbed all 7 at least 10 times. He also completed all 7 twice within one year. Vern is also the only person in the world to have completed "The Seventy Summits," and first to guide Seven Summits and North and South Poles. With a guitar in hand and a smile on his face, Vernon treats everyone to the remarkable experience of life.
Significant Ascents
First person to climb Seven Summits 10 times
Mt Everest (10 guided summit ascents)
Denali (53 guided, 1st solo winter ascent, 1st paraglider descent, 14:50 speed ascent)
Elbrus (32 guided & speed 3:20 ascent from hut)
Aconcagua (25 guided & 8:02 speed ascent)
Carstensz Pyramid (3 Guided, via Jungle route)
Vinson (30 guided & personal,1st solo ascent, 10:20 speed ascent, 1st paraglide descent)
Kilimanjaro (14 guided & 10:45 speed ascent)
Greenland (world's northernmost mountain)
Mt. Hunter (first winter ascent), Alaska
Mt. Logan (first winter ascent), Canada
Mt. Blanc (3 guided & personal), Rainier (2 guided), Cho-oyu (1 guided)
Chimborazo, Matterhorn, Kinabalu, Cotopaxi
Significant Explorations
1st Traverse of Wrangell-St. Elias Range
Ski Mt. Guide Shackleton Traverse
First Wheeled Crossing of Antarctica
Ski Guide Last Degree to South Pole
Ski Guide Last Degree to North Pole
Scout Overland Traverse to South Pole
Kayak Guide Greece, Santorini and Crete
Awards & Recognition
Alaska Sports Hall of Fame
Life member American Alpine Club
Alaskan of the Year Governor's Award
Sports Illustrated Top 50 Athletes Alaska
Eco-Challenge finisher 10th & 13th place
NPS Denali Pro Pin for Rescue
"Cover Boy" Alaska Magazine
15 year member USHPA (Paragliding)
Producer "Strummit from Summit" CD
Host for Food Network's "Tasting Alaska"
Talent ESPN TV special "Surviving Denali"
Wilderness First Responder (7 times)
20 year member AK Mountain Rescue


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Who is God? And if He's there, what does He want from me?
Related posts from Permission to Live:
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/08863579550620358675 Jill
Thanks for your honest expression of your questions and struggles.
What if Christianity isn't just what you've been taught, but so much more? You say you have found things like: a change in discipline, a different view of your husband and your role as a woman, a less judgmental attitude since faltering in your faith…I have found those things in my understand of Christianity, not just in my questions about it.
What if religion (not just Christianity but others) is less about finding the "right" answer and more about invitation to a relationship with God…that some will find through Christianity, some through Islam, some through Judaism, etc? What if God is okay with that?
What if Hell is something we human beings have created because we don't know how to fully love? What if God's love is so big that there is no need for Hell?
Just wondering with you…
- Anonymous
Great and honest questions.
I find that TRUTH is what keeps me moving. There must be truth and God is not keeping it a secret. Finding it and knowing it may require more of us than we want to give at any given moment, but it's out there and it's not subjective.
Hell? Yes, I believe there is a hell. But not because God's love isn't big enough. No. I believe it exists because our human love is too small and our pride too big. Sometimes those extremes in us are such that we reject real love in favor of fake love. And God loves us enough to let us do that ~ though at great pains to himself. We are FREE. Yes, that free.
- Rebecca in CA
My path was from Protestantism to atheism to agnosticism and finally to the Catholic Church. What I had rejected was various pictures I had painted in my mind–I put God into the box of my understanding, and then set him aside. I found, somewhat to my surprise, that one of the most relieving and liberating things about being a Catholic is that now I know that God is way, way bigger than anything that can fit into my little box of understanding. God is immense and cannot be comprehended. That is somehow a huge relief to me; it has taken a great load off my shoulders. Receiving grace does not fit God into us, it takes us up into Him. It touches our hearts to that immensity, which our minds cannot yet comprehend. In heaven our minds will be illumined by a light called the light of glory and although we will not comprehend Him we will know what He is; we will apprehend His essence.
When I read your post, a picture of Jacob wrestling with the angel came to mind. The Scripture says he wrestled with an angel, but he also says He wrestled "with God". Two things really strike me about that episode. First, that Jacob doesn't see the angel in the night; he has to wrestle with someone he can't see. This is different from the three angels who came to Abraham, who appeared as men with certain features, etc., or Raphael appearing to Tobias. Secondly, Jacob hangs on. He hangs on all night, and doesn't let go. Now I'm pretty sure that angel could have whupped Jacob pretty good, but I think he didn't, because Jacob held on. He then let Jacob overcome him.
- Anonymous
I do not know you but here is my two cents after reading your blog a bit:
It seems that these struggles are deepening as you shift from Protestant Christianity to Catholicism. I think it is similar to birth. When we undergo such a deep change, we will experience pain and doubt (like transition in labor). But as we mothers know, it is worth all of the struggle. Jesus is worth all of the struggle. It is not easy for most of us. We wrestle and grapple with Him. We are Israel – One who struggles with Him.
Lord, I believe, help my unbelief. Sometimes, I think Jesus made sure that was in there just for me.
Do not despair. The darkness shall not overcome.
- http://thesavingmomparents.wordpress.com/ thesavingmomparents
The Bible says that Jesus paid it all. He completed the work. If Jesus has redeemed us from all "sin" might that include the "sin of unbelief"?…which is the sin mainstream Christianity says makes us have to go to hell. Just something I have been thinking about of late. Perhaps life is all about having a relationship with Jesus. Maybe that's all we need…
- http://briancjacobs.com Brian C Jacobs
I appreciate your transparency so much. I think you are expressing (outloud!) what so many of us struggle with between our ears! I have a great book I think you should read (I may even have an extra copy I can send you) called GraceWalk by Steve McVey. He say sit so much better than I can but let me summarize it this way. God saved us by Grace alone. We don't have to earn his approval or do anything to earn his gift of salvation other than accept His gift He gave us on the cross. Now that we have accepted that gift, THE RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED! WE still do not have to TRY and earn his favor. There is nothing we can do to make Him love us more and there is nothing we can do to make Him love us less!
Hope this can be an encouragement to you.
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/13092965958240199796 Kristina Joy
"Perhaps life is all about having a relationship with Jesus. Maybe that's all we need…" Yes!
As we come to know His love and Him, our faith and trust increases. Jesus IS the answer, for many reasons! Christianity is the only religion that offers a God coming here. Meeting us. Living with us. Loving us enough to die for us. He is historical and his resurrection was real. There are tons of great apologetic (defending our faith against other religions) books that cover the hows and why and questions of whether we can really trust the Bible. Yes we can! When compared to all other ancient books, the Bible far outshines them all as the most historically accurate text!
It sounds to me like the Christianity you grew up with was a perversion of what Jesus taught. Don't let human error discourage you from faith in a perfect God!
God is not afraid of your questions! Nor is He angry that you ask them! Don't give up on Him. Even if you don't feel it, He loves YOU!
(OK, wayyyy too many exclamation points! Can you tell I believe strongly? )
- http://blog.earthlingshandbook.org 'Becca
The God you describe here isn't the "God of Christianity" I know. Can you remember where you got the idea that God "decided to categorize an extensive bunch of stuff as sin," rather than God eternally knowing what is right and wrong while humans struggle to understand and categorize? How about the idea that God "decided to send us all to eternal punishment after we die," rather than that punishment being simply separation from God? How about the idea that God would ever have had a time of sending EVERYONE who died to eternal punishment? How about the idea that Jesus "paid" for our sins–if Jesus is God, then that's just God paying himself with himself, so how does that achieve anything? If you can trace those ideas back to their roots, and then look hard at whether those roots are growing in truth, you will learn more about what you really believe.
I think that if you study other religions, that too will teach you more about what you really believe. When I read some Muslim or Mormon or Catholic idea and think, "But that's crazy! Because the way God really works is…" then I can articulate something I didn't know I knew.
Having faith does not mean blind obedience to a doctrine. I think you are becoming a better person because you have questioned what you are doing and what God is calling you to do. You are changing from listening to human authority figures telling you about God, to just listening for God. Sometimes that can feel like you're not "doing anything." There's a lot less certainty to it than to listening to some preacher who has all the answers and doing exactly what he says.
Remember how Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow? Don't worry about what will happen when you die. Trust God on that. Pray to discern the right thing to do now, and take it day by day.
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/13674332089949439989 Young Mom
Jill- Thank you. I love your questions. I think alot of our human understanding about God is flawed by our limitedness.
Rebecca- Wow, it is so encouraging to hear from someone else who has walked this same road. I have also been amazed when I realized just how small a God I was taught to believe in.
Juliet- Thank you! I really like the comparison to transition.
Jessica- Wow, what if He saves us even from unbelief. What an incredible question.
Brian- It's not so much that I think I have to earn His favor. Its wondering why I need to have His favor at all? Not sure if that makes sense?
Kristina Joy- Thank you! I definetly haven't given up. I feel like I am starting to find God for the first time in so many ways.
'Becca- You ask interesting questions. I'm not sure where I get the idea of God categorizing sin, maybe from the 10 commandments and the law? Why must God be separate from from God if we don't meet his standards? I wouldn't do that to my own children. The idea that Jesus paid for our sins is everywhere, songs, sermons. How would you express it otherwise?
Thanks for saying that sometimes it feels as though you are doing nothing, and for the encouragement to not worry about tomorrow. You are right.
- Rebecca in CA
I've already said enough but can I just address the point about God categorizing things as sins? You tell your children not to touch a hot stove because it will burn them, or jump off a high place because they could hurt themselves. You are not arbitrary about it; anything you tell them not to do is not to deter their happiness but to keep them safe. There is one "do" and nine "do nots" in the ten commandments. The "do" is all about our happiness–here is your end, here is your happiness. You were made to gaze on beauty and to be filled with love, therefore "Love the Lord Your God with all your heart". The rest of the commandments are for the sake of that one commandment. If we hurt ourselves and maim and kill ourselves, we can't very well attain our purpose. Each of the "do nots" finds its root in our very nature. If you try to saw a tree down with a violin bow, the violin bow won't do its job well anymore. If you take any creature and do something violently against its built-in nature, you will harm it grievously. God was doing just what we do when we say, "don't touch! Hot! That will hurt you!"
The first sin is a little more difficult because it involved a matter of positive law. There was nothing inherently evil about the tree itself or partaking of its fruit; I'm sure it was a perfectly good tree. Adam and Eve would not have been tempted to sin against the natural law because their appetites were in perfect order, subjected to their reason. By giving them this one commandment which was a matter of simple obedience, they were given the opportunity to practice the virtue of simple trust and obedience. It was not a difficult commandment to keep but it did present the possibility of failure. That is something to grapple with.
- http://briancjacobs.com Brian C Jacobs
Young mom,
Yes your question makes sense. When I read your post again I find myself searching for the "main question" you are really asking. The question that if you could find an answer to it would probably lead to easy answers for all the others. It sounds to me like the question you most need to answer is do you believe is "Do you believe in a literal Heaven, one where you would spend eternity with the God who created you?" I think all other answers will start to fall in place from there,like do you want to go to that Heavenly place? If there is a heaven then what is the alternative? Hell? Without heaven, then having a loving family and great friends in this life might just be enough that you don't need room for Jesus. If you do believe in that heaven the bible speaks of it seems intellectually dishonest to not also believe in the other things that the bible speaks of, "If you Love me then Keep my Commandments."
I understand your thought process though: If Life minus "my faith" seems to be better than Life with "my faith" than why am I attempting to hold on to "my faith"? If you want my very direct-pulling no punches- answer ti would be this: your doing "my faith" wrong. Jesus said, "take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is EASY and my burden is light."
- Anonymous
"Perhaps the greatest interior suffering is the kind that strikes us when we thirst for God and then find ourselves deprived of the awareness of His presence." Mother Angelica, founder of EWTN
Remember, faith in God is a gift of grace from Him. It doesn't come from within ourselves, we merely respond to Him reaching out to us. Therefore, if you have doubt about faith, about God, about His interest in how you live your life, then you should admit this to Him and ask Him to make Himself known to you by increasing your gift of faith.
You have my prayers as you continue in your faith journey, and I will be asking all the hosts of heaven to pray for you as well. God bless.
- Anonymous
((hugs)) Once again, I can relate to this. It can be such a scary place to be at times. All the "what if". I am starting to think and realize that God is so much more infinitely kind than I ever knew. As we begin our shift away from the Fund. mindset, my husband started talking about how our theology is colored depending on where we start with God. If we start with God as Judge, we live under His frown and condemnation and we need Jesus to make Him like us. If we start with God as Father, our whole perspective changes. We live under His smile and love and Christ is the older brother who brings us back to the Father. It really got me thinking. I just think we don't understand how deep God's love and kindness are for us, and we have almost been taught that it's dangerous to focus on that. In our new church, the emphasis is on the fact that we don't have to strive to please God. God knows that we can't be perfect so He doesn't require that of us. Christ has done all that, why are we trying to add to that. Our responsibility is to take the love and forgiveness that we have been given and give it out to our neighbors (which it seems like you have been doing with your family). Christ frees us to focus on others because we don't have to constantly worry if we are walking the line before God. I don't think I am explaining this well, but it is giving me hope. But fear not, you are not alone in your feelings and wonderings.
Leigh Ann
- http://blog.earthlingshandbook.org 'Becca
I really like the way Leigh Ann explained the difference between God as Judge and as Father. Of course for some people, their father is like a judge, distant and formal and throwing down punishment…so it might be more helpful to focus on God as Love. The reason to avoid sin is not to avoid punishment but to honor Love, to let God's Love flow through us and act accordingly.
Why must God be separate from from God if we don't meet his standards? I wouldn't do that to my own children.
It's not God who separates us from God. It's our choice. It's like being an angry teenager who'd rather stand behind the garage in the cold rain than come into the warm house because her father is in there and she doesn't want his stupid old love and she doesn't want to do what he says, so there!
If your children are angrily rejecting you and your standards, do you change your standards to try to coax them back? or do you hold firm, prepare to welcome them if they do choose to come back, and maybe send someone out to talk to them?
My belief is that God loves us no matter how horribly we fall short of his standards. We are always welcome to come back (remember the story of the prodigal son?) and God will always love us and support us as we try to do better. But if we choose to stand in the outer darkness, gnashing our teeth and wailing about how unfair God is to us, well, he'll mainly leave us to it. That's our free will. Jesus, though, seeks us out and tries to talk some sense into us…but if we don't have ears to hear, he will shake the dust from his sandals and move on, for now.
The idea that Jesus paid for our sins is everywhere, songs, sermons. How would you express it otherwise?
That idea is called "substitutionary atonement" and it is popular, but if taken literally it does not make a lot of sense to me. My God is not one who delights in suffering or requires a victim. I believe that Jesus came to teach us how to repent and to show us that life isn't everything and death is not the end. His real sacrifice was not dying, but humbling himself to live as a human. "Jesus died for our sins" to me means that sinful human nature is the force that tortured and killed Jesus. He wasn't a sacrifice that people gave to God to please God. He lived among us to teach us, and then he allowed our sins to kill him as another way of teaching us: to make us see just how bad we can be, and then to show us that even our worst acts are not as powerful as God. It's not that Jesus let God kill him instead of killing us, but that Jesus let *us* kill him and then showed us the amazing power of God's redemption.
Does that make any sense? I've had a very different faith journey than you–I was raised Unitarian and have learned about Jesus through The Episcopal Church and liberal theologians–so I'm not sure how well I understand the point of view you're coming from.
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/13674332089949439989 Young Mom
Thank you so much for sharing and encouraging. Alot of us come from very different backgrounds and faith journey's, I've really been loving everyones thoughts on this,
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/09723067016206324874 Claire
At times when my mind or heart are lead to question or doubt, I find strength in the simple prayer from the Gospel…
"Lord, I believe: help my unbelief!"
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/09723067016206324874 Claire
…here is another beautiful prayer of the heart that speaks to me often: "Stay with Me, Lord" (by St. Padre Pio)
…and an author that I heard about on Relevant Radio sometime ago and really want to check out. He stuff looks really interesting! (I won't do an official recommendation since I've not read him yet, but I thought you might be intrigued).
Blessings and hugs!
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/13674332089949439989 Young Mom
Thank you so much Claire, you are always an encouragement to me.
And "Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief" is my prayer as well.
- http://www.mamabean.ca Mama Bean
I appreciate your bravery to post this. I thought I had answered some of this stuff for myself, but reading this, it resonates in such a way that I know I'm far from settled… and that's okay. I don't know if God wants us settled.
- http://prettyinorange.com Angela
Personally, my faith and my spirituality have little to do with any church and I've even turned from the Bible as it was written by man.
I feel as though I have great conversations with God on my own. I pray to him without the benefit of a church or a minister.
Some people need a church to feel closer to God. I simply choose to eliminate that middle man and go right to the source.
It seems to me that the majority of issues with religion and God come from the people trying to tell you who and what it is, rather than you listening to your own beliefs – and isn't God inside each of us?
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/09723067016206324874 Claire
You're welcome!!
- http://www.blogger.com/profile/11894992378619176830 Jennifer @ Conversion Diary
Just now catching up on your posts. My heart really went out to you when I read this one. This is the sort of thing that I wish I had 10 hours to sit down and formulate a response that would clearly articulate all my feelings on the subject, but unfortunately time is short. (And Yaya, whom I think you're familiar with through my blog, is here, which means that there is a LOT of chaos in the background as I type this). Anyway, here's my shot at an answer:
It all comes down to love.
My first crisis of "faith" as an atheist was when I realized that you cannot defend a peace- and love-centered worldview from the material world alone. Sure, you can say that we're evolved to treat each other well, but there are other ways you could interpret evolutionary data to advocate for a much more ruthless worldview (e.g. killing off weak people so that only the strongest genes survive).
So it made sense to me on some level when I heard the idea that God *is* love — that all those yearnings we have for love are yearnings to be with the ultimate source of it all, the wellspring from which all the world's love flows, that belief in God is nothing more or less than the belief that love exists as its own entity, outside of the material world. It also made sense to me when I read the doctrine that hell is simply separation from God, from love. God doesn't toss us down there out of anger, it's where we end up if we choose not to love. Kind of like how you can't go against the laws of physics, it would be a logical impossibility to say that someone who had not conformed himself to love could be with Love itself for eternity.
(This is where it also made sense to me when I read the doctrine that even people who'd never heard of Jesus could go to heaven — that someone who had conformed himself to a life of love had accepted Christ, even if he didn't know his name.)
So anyway, it made sense to me when I heard the Christian theory that the whole meaning of life, the universe and everything is LOVE. The meaning of life is to seek Love (i.e. God) and to conform our lives to the very essence of self-sacrificing love (i.e. Christ crucified). It was stunning when I saw that the reason for all of salvation history — the Bible, the Church, everything — is to lead us to love.
Again, I write this amidst a three-ring circus, so I'm sorry if anything's not clear. Just wanted to throw my rambling $0.02 out there! (Also, I emailed you the other day, but I'm thinking it's likely that it ended up in your spam filter.)
BTW, if you haven't read Mere Christianity (or haven't read it recently) I highly recommend it since it goes into questions like this.
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Hi ! I have just discovered your blog, and I love your insights and the sensitivity that goes into all your posts. I think it's great how open you are about your struggles and how you are willing to examine your life and beliefs to get to what you think is best. I wish you the best of luck.
As for faith, people with many different faiths and doubts and even no faith at all live loving, joyful and fulfilling lives every day. Contra Jennifer above, atheism isn't incompatible with a peace-and-love worldview; neither is agnosticism, less-defined forms of faith such as deism or pantheism, or specific non-Christian faiths like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism in its multidunous forms…
What I'm trying to say is that you want faith, but your doubts and questioning may lead you to a completely different faith from the one you currently hold, or to no faith at all. Or not. And that's all right, because none of those need stop you from leading a happy and fulfilled life. Either way I wish you the best and hope your journey leads you someplace that satisfies you !


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Reproducción de la corvina rubia Micropogonias furnieri del sector rioplatense. Su relación con los gradientes horizontales de salinidad.
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Reproduction of white croaker collected during 1991-1993 in the Argentine-Uruguayan Common Fishing Zone (CFZ)(34°-39°30'S), was studied by means of histological analysis of ovaries. Areal and seasonal maturity stage distributions were compared; ripeness degree was correlated to horizontal salinity gradients. During June and July an overall predominance of the resting stage was observed; nevertheless, a high proportion of females in early maturation was detected near Cabo San Antonio and Punta Piedras. In late October-early November an increase of maturing individuals was observed. Females in advanced maturity stage and partially spent,with postovulatory follicles, were collected mainly in estuarine waters with wide bottom salinity ranges (between 9-25 psu), in agreement with the saline front. This suggests that spawning areas of Micropogonias furnieri could be associated with this oceanographical feature. Late November showed a high proportion of females in partial spent stage, which indicates an increase in spawning activity. In early April a high percentage of individuals in reproductive activity was observed. Nevertheless, the increase of atretic oocytes suggested that the end of the spawning was imminent.


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There's no way an ISP can safely "dump" relevant logs while legal proceedings are underway to acquire said logs. But all of the the non-relevant logs could be dumped.Other than that, it appears that an ISP could make a statement up front about changes to log retention, and then gradually phase in the changes without trouble.
Here is an interesting idea...What about the concept of logging "For internal/business use only"Meaning an ISP can keep logs all they want to reduce problems on their network (Hackers, DDOS, assholes, etc), but essentially "screw you" to anyone external who wants them. It IS a corporate decision after all right? That means there's zero legal obligation to provide those logs to anyone outside of the company."Sorry we keep limited logs for internal usage and troubleshooting, but they are not available outside of the company due to privacy/security reasons"I don't know how that flies in regards to a law enforcement request, but I DO know that if you run a NATed address and are unable to provide customer info because it's a 1 in 300 chance of who it is, there is nothing they can do and the issue is closed. So the obligation to "try" is there, but the obligation to actually "DO" is not.
My personal suggestion here would be to pay for the content, or do without. I remember coming here years ago and seeing someone suggest that the people who used torrents and were complaining about throttling on Bell's end were torrenting for reasons that were less than legal. It was vehemently denied. It seems that individual has been vindicated by what I see here.
In light of the recent Voltage issues, and given the clarification we now have on Legal Mandatory Minimums, or rather the lack of them, I'm wondering if ISP Log retention times might well become a point on which different ISP's might compete?Dave
Law enforcement and the courts want to know IP assignments from time to time. So you keep logs and you give them the info they want. They are happy.If you did not keep logs, they would be unhappy - AND THEY WOULD SIMPLY ENACT LAWS TO COMPEL YOU TO KEEP LOGS. Maybe throw in other rules or requirements while they're at it.
Gabe has already stated that most of the child pornography cases they've been asked for info on have involved pulling data from one or more months back.
At which point, they kill the golden goose and logs are just "not available" in any case, no matter how severe.
I've asked this question (legal requirements to log IP assignments) before here on dslr (and on usenet - can.internet.highspeed) and have never gotten any coherent answer.But I'll tell you why TS and Bell and any other ISP does it. It's a very simple concept.The telco / ISP industry wants as few laws / rules / regs as possible.Law enforcement and the courts want to know IP assignments from time to time. So you keep logs and you give them the info they want. They are happy.If you did not keep logs, they would be unhappy - AND THEY WOULD SIMPLY ENACT LAWS TO COMPEL YOU TO KEEP LOGS. Maybe throw in other rules or requirements while they're at it. Then the telco's / ISP's would be unhappy.It's just that simple.Now answer me this:There is no technical or billing reason why a telco would need to keep logs of any local (non-billable) calls you make with your land-line. But - are there any laws on the books that require such logging?If the answer is no, then the same logic and rational should apply to logging IP assignments.
said by sm5w2 So we don't really know why the smaller ISP's maintain IP-logs for such a long period of time given there is no legal requirement for them to do so, and also given that the information is a legal "hot potato" for them and it would be better if they did not have the information in the first place.Presumably there would be NO downside for them if the courts ordered them to turn over information that they didn't have...


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