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Quick pic of my current laundry stash :)
I am out of Persil, Ariel, Vernel and Lenor until mid Septemeber when my family arrives from Germany for a 3 week visit. I just refuse to pay USA prices for these items...it's insane. A huge box of Persil powder retails for like $50-60.00 here in the USA. In Germany, it's like � (Euro) 12-15. Crazy!!
Also out of Vaska...hate paying for shipping and waiting, since all our our 4 local Target stores discontinued carrying Vaska.
Gave the Green Works to a friend, that has a top loader...they love the suds!! :)
I also abandoned my "green" only fabric softeners. I really, really gave it a try though. 7th Generation, Mrs.Meyers, Ecover.... They softened a little, but never really smelled great. While I miss my original Downy April Fresh...I am trying to get used to the "new" version. I keep hoping that if people keep posting horrible reviews on the Downy website, P&G will either bring back the classic/original April Fresh scent or release a 'Classic' version. Either way, I want my April Fresh Downy back. Nothing softens like good old fashioned, animal fat softeners though!! LOL
Tide he liquids and their new he Powders work really great. And the new powders no longer leave a white, powdery residue on the inside of my stainless wash drum. I think for the price, and ease of finding...Tide he works great!!!
Oh Larsi ... I knew you'd never last on the green streak ;)
Thank goodness my Greenworks is still doing great things for me. No suds issues at all.
I prefer to not have my kids wearing/sleeping with things that reek of fragrance. No need.
Only green FS I have ever liked is Shaklee. I heard they are reformulating it this fall ... yikes ... sure hope they don't mess with a good thing.
@larsi - yes, it has the aloe, but also has perfume as an ingredient. A friend who was a chemical engineer in her former life & career has told me that detergent allergies are to the perfumes and not the other ingredients. I wish Persil would make a "free & clear" version so that I could go broke buying it. ;-)
@sshrivastava - well, I'm one-fourth German, but perhaps my Irish skin prevails. DH has more German blood, so maybe that's why he got a rash and I only itched. ;o)
"The Price of Tide HE" - LOL indeed!
I called Tide's consumer line this a.m. and asked them to make a Free & Clear powder for HE machines. They have F&C for top-load. I pointed out that top-load owners can use HE, but front-load owners can't use top-load detergent. They said they'd pass the request on to the appropriate department. Eh. Whatevs.
I never thought Tide rinsed very well. Do you find these new formulations better?
I too wish Henkel would make a F&C version of Persil - I'd be all over it too. Here is a link to contact them. I'll send a request and see what happens.
We don't have sensitivities here but I just can't tolerate that much fragrance in my laundry. I broke down and bought some new Persil Megaperls (Universal/Color). I washed tea towels with universal and can't believe how much they smell when I take them out of the dryer (although they were very clean and white).
My mainstays currently are Vaska, Greenworks (unscented), Woolite Complete, Shaklee Fresh Laundry Concentrate and FS. I prefer the Persil Sensitive to the regular ones (based on fragrance alone). I also have the Purex with Zout (unscented).
It gets complicated doing laundry around here. Knowing when to avoid enzymes or brighteners ... sheesh. Sometimes I take at least 5 minutes just deciding which detergent to use for a particular load.
I read recently that detergent builds up in cotton things like towels and you should run them with a cup of white vinegar once a month to bring back their softness. I did that on some Egyptian cotton towels I have and they did come out noticeably softer. Do we think the vinegar is bad for the Miele? I didn't see anything in the manual about it. They just say not to use dye removing products because of the salt.
@Larsi, I tried the Miele delicate wash ... bleck! WAY to much scent for me. If I could give it to you I would :)
I still have $100 for Miele care products so I think I'll stock up on vacuum bags and dishwasher tablets. I REALLY like their DW tablets - they work very well.
Agree about the Tide HE powder (F&C).
"Prince of Tide HE" .... LOL! He's usually "Prince of Persil".
Here is a link that might be useful: Henkel laundry - contact
@livebetter - I called Miele's customer service toll-free number recently, to inquire about all the sudsing I havae, when I use liquid detergents. The guy there said even HE liquid detergents tend to have more suds, so I'm done with those. I'll give away my Vaska and liquid Persil. But I digress . . .
I asked about putting 1/4 cup of white vinegar in the fabric softener dispenser to cut the suds and he said that was fine, it would not hurt my washing machine.
Some vinegar probably would help prevent mold growing in the deep dark bowels of our machines, as well. When I started cleaning our hummingbird feeders with vinegar & water, instead of soap & water, I have much less mold growing in them if any. My friend, who suggested this, swears by it.
@ Cavimum
Putting a pinch of citric acid into 2 cups of hummingbird sugar solution will also inhibit mold growth and make your nectar last longer. Citric acid is tart in taste and totally natural. In fact, our hummingbirds prefer nectar containing citric acid.
Regarding vinegar, it's completely fine to use it in your Miele. It's not prohibited in the instruction manual. I think one of the Miele techs told Larsi not to use it, but those techs say a lot of things they shouldn't and act like they know things they don't. I'll trust the user manual.
That might be true about vinegar and mold. My previous Frigidaire FL died from bearing failure at just over 10 years old. I never had a mold issue or even a slight smell. I always use vinegar for certain things - I wondered if the vinegar and sodium percarbonate I use regularly helped to keep a clean machine.
I was reading recently about cotton care. Apparently you shouldn't use FS on cotton as it "clogs the pores". I was reading regarding care of fine linens (that's where I read the vinegar tip for towels).
I always wash my sheets with a mild detergent (no enzymes or brighteners), oxygen bleach and some vinegar in the rinse. Sheets look great.
Prince of Tide, Prince of Persil...LOL
I know that it is not stated in the Miele manual not to use Vinegar, but besides from my favourite Miele Senior Technical Rep we've used for over 10+ years telling me NOT to use vinegar in a Miele...there has been much discussion on our board, about how vinegar is not good for rubbers and plastics & seals. Maybe it is fine, but I am trusting my Miele Rep and basic chemistry knowledge. And...I've tried Vinegar as a FS...it does NOT soften at all, and the faint vinegar smell is NOT pleasant on towels or sheets!!
@livebetter...I am sorry you do not like the Miele Delicate wash. I think I'm going to take a week long road trip, and just come to all your guys' homes and pick up your unused and neglected Persil and Miele detergents!! The Prince of Persil is to the rescue!! LOL
I agree that vinegar does nothing to soften laundry. It's an urban legend as far as I'm concerned. It may be helpful to those with hard water - the vinegar will help keep minerals from settling onto your clothes. In that regard, yes, washing with vinegar may yield "less scratchy" clothes than without. In my particular situation, vinegar does nothing but make my machine smell like feet.
To clarify, I didn't say I used it as a FS. I use it to remove residue from certain things like good quality cotton sheets/towels. I've done a lot of reading on how to properly take care of these items and this was recommended. It DOES have a positive effect on my towels for sure. I never use FS on my sheets/towels to begin with.
Most good quality all-cotton towels do not need to be treated with fabric softener and with repeated washings and dryings, they become softer naturally.
Nothing I use vinegar on ever smells like vinegar when done and my machine smells like ... my machine - not feet :0
I've been doing this for at least 6 years.
I don't use vinegar as a FS but I would point out that vinegar does indeed do something. Maybe not enough for your personal preferences.
"Fabric softeners work by coating the surface of the cloth fibers with a thin layer of chemicals; these chemicals have lubricant properties and are electrically conductive, thus making the fibers feel smoother and preventing buildup of static electricity. Other functions are improvements of iron glide during ironing, increased resistance to stains, and reduction of wrinkling and pilling.
Cationic softeners bind by electrostatic attraction to the negatively charged groups on the surface of the fibers and neutralize their charge; the long aliphatic chains are then oriented towards the outside of the fiber, imparting lubricity. Vinegar works on some materials in a similar way, as the hydrogen ions bind to the anionic groups on the fibers."
Here is a link that might be useful: Fabric softener - Wikipedia
When I spoke with the guy at Miele toll free customer service number, our conversation about vinegar was in the context of cutting through the detergent and getting rid of the extra soap suds from liquid detergents.
A little vinegar in the final rinse is good for wools and silks. They are protein fibers and prefer a little more acid pH than that of everyday (alkaline) detergents. You can even use shampoo for hand washing wools & silks for that reason. Baby shampoo is usually sufficient. If using a specialty detergent geared for wool, there is probably no need for the vinegar. One would assume hope it is pH balanced for wool.
Larsi, speaking of stocking up on German detergent. There are some new ones available (among other releases):
P&G released Lenor detergent. Comes in liquid or powder and three scents. Ariel is now also available with Febreze Effect.
Persil comes in a liquid Black Gel version with "long-term color protection".
I only bought the Lenor powder for colors - smells nice.
Whirlpool trainee....
Ariel with Febreeze...Just like Tide with Febreeze. ActiLift is also in both Ariel and Tide. P&G is sharing recipes for both Germany and the USA. I actually like Ariel liquid, the powder is so so for me. I like Persil Powder better!
Persil liquid Black Gel mit Langzeitfarbschutz!!! Das mag ich sehr! Ein toller Einfall! Das will ich!! Ich hoffe, Henkel/Persil bringt diese Artikel nach der USA! Ich muss sie haben. Der Prinz der Persil muss meine Familie anrufen, und mehr Seife auf der Liste vergroessern!!
Well, most detergents over here don't have a special scent, Cavimum. They just have their own scents but nothing special. Ariel, for a long time, was just Ariel. Then came Ariel with ActiLift. And now Ariel with Febreze (and ActiLift). There used to be a Free & Clear version of Ariel with minerals but it disappeared from the shelves.
Same with Persil. Every now and then, they will release a special edition of Persil with Vernel or Mountain Freshness or whatever... but most of the time it's just Persil with no extra scent/special scent added. There is Persil Sensitive but even it contains some scent.
All in all, most detergents here don't have extra heavy scents added to them - softeners take that part. Definitely nothing like Tide in the US, where you can get each product in ten different scent variations, it seems.
Another thing is that most Euro washers do three rinses by default vs. two rinses on US front loaders. And they tend to use more water for each rinse, too.
Larsi, I don't think P&G Europe and P&G US share recipes. Tide HE powder, last time I checked, only had two enzymes in it - Ariel has five. All Tide versions have optical brighteners - Ariel Color does not.
The last test of detergents done by Stiftung Warentest (big consumer magazine) rated powdered Ariel & Color Style and powdered Persil Color as the best choices to avoid fading and color-run. Better than all the other detergents tested - powders and liquids. I can email you the test if you like.
@Whirlpool trainee, I almost always use the sensitive option on my Miele W4842 (third rinse) and I still find the scent of Persil too much. I do not mind the sensitive version but they don't make it without brighteners. I did find a color version of sensitive but it was from Poland and did contain brighteners.
I find the German products seem to be more heavily scented than the NA ones (although I don't use most of them either as TOO much scent for me).
On a side note, @Larsi, have you tried the Purex with Zout? I did tea towels overnight with it and some oxygen bleach. WOW! Not one stain and very white. I used extra white, HOT, extended, sensitive. I used unscented with just a bit of the scented, vinegar in the rinse (to make the tea towels extra absorbent) and I'm very pleased with the results.
They will send you a free sample to try.
Here is a link that might be useful: Purex with Zout - free sample
@ larsi
You will note that all Tide HE powders contain fewer enzymes than their liquid counterparts. Ingredient lists are available on Tide's website for all of their products. Should we take this to mean that Tide HE liquids are better at fighting stains than Tide HE powders?
@sshrivastava - The number of enzymes in Tide liquid v.s. powder might have more to do with cost of production. My friend who was a chemical engineer in her former life worked somewhere where enzymes were part of whatever the company made. She told me it is more expensive to make powder detergents because it all begins as a liquid, there is the step of drying out to make a powder, and the powders require extra ventilation, etc. So it is cheaper to produce liquid detergents, which might explain the plethora of them on the shelves and the dwindling supply of powders. IMO, profit margins & stock dividends almost always take precedence over what the consumer would like to have, if corporate America can get away with it.
@ Cavimum
That's funny, I thought liquid detergents started as powders! I was under the impression that ingredients such as sodium percarbonate, sodium carbonate, etc. are dry and require to be dissolved in solution, possibly with the aid of an emulsifier like glycerin. I tend to think it's cheaper to produce powdered detergents, since most of the ingredients that go into them start out dry.
I never considered even trying Purex with Zout, since they few times I've tried Purex..I was not that pleased. Purex is at the very bottom of the Henkel line of products. Altough I do not find Purex Fabric Softeners that bad...the Aloe one is quite nice actually (but hard to find).
So far, the "new" concentrated Tide he powder with bleach, seems to be a powerhouse at removing stains and spots. My super active 4 year old's preschool clothes come out spotless and super clean.
LIVEBETTER...you might really like the new Tide he bleach powder. From the box, the smell is crisp and old fashioned, but after washing and drying (sad for me, since I love scent)...but there is NO scent. I cannot even detect a whiff of scent. And it works great!
SStava...I have been using Tide he liquid with a touch of downy and regular Tide he liquid for all our towels, sheets, colours and darks. So far, all stains come out very well compared to Tide he powder with bleach. I'm srue the oxygen bleach in the powder makes the detergent perform as well as the liquids!
@ larsi
I remember you proclaiming that use of tallow-based FS products was gross and disgusting, but I also remember reading that you are done with green/natural fabric softeners. So have you gone back to using the more gross and disgusting products? Do you no longer find them as objectionable as you once did?
I'm surprised to hear you speak so highly of Tide, to be honest. I thought we'd have to pry the Persil out of your cold, dead hands. Clorox Green Works is a no go because of recent sudsing, what about Vaska? As I remember, it cleaned very well for you. Have you gone back to more mainstream products due to cost? What's going on here? :)
I recently bought a box of the HE Tide powder 'Original Scent' - not the w/bleach version. The scent is not as powerful and overwhelming as Persil, so it may appear non-existent to those accustomed to Persil.
@livebetter - the Tide scent does linger in the our clothing, sheets and towels. I haven't tried a load of laundry yet using 100% Tide, since cutting it in half with Sears Ultra F&C powder gives us more scent than we're accustomed to, but it seems to be just enough.
@ Cavimum
I have Tide HE Liquid w/ Bleach Alternative and I find the scent lingers after washing and drying. It is that classic "tide smell" that people seem to love so much, and it reminds me of when I used to wash my clothes at the apartment laundromat years ago. I'm conflicted about whether I like it, though. While the smell brings back fond memories, it is also a lingering synthetic scent. I am somewhat bothered by that fact.
@ SStava...
I still do not like the ingredients of mainstream Fabric Softeners, but they just work SO much better than "green" softeners.
Vaska cleans quite well & I like it A LOT, but our THREE local Target stores all stopped carrying it. I now have to either order it from Amazon or soap.com or Alice.com. It annoys me having to pay for shipping and wait for laundry detergent.
Yes, one would have to pry Persil out of my cold dead hands!! LOL
But, I am out of it right now, and since my family is coming in September from Germany, literally filled with a suitcase with nothing but Persil, Ariel and Vernel fabric softener (including Henkel's new anti-bacterial fabric softener :)...I am just using more mainstream products in the meaintime. Surprisingly, the new Tide offerings are working quite well. And while I still shudder sometimes at what is inside Downy...I am using 1/2 the recommended amount, and filling the FS tray with water. So hopefully I am diluting some of the icky ingredients!! ;)
@ larsi
I know what you mean. I've tried Ecover's softener - you may as well use nothing. I know you don't like the Vaska softener, but I find that it works very well when combined with Vaska detergent. The only green fabric softener that actually worked almost as well as Downy in terms of softening was Seventh Generation's product. Vaska's softener is also quite good, although I know you don't like the smell. You said it smells fishy? I think what you are calling "fishy" are the normal, somewhat musty undertones of lavender. I have a bottle of pure lavender essential oil and it also has that humid, musty undertone that quickly disappears once you apply the oil. Once dried, clothes rinsed with Vaska FS come out smelling very light and fresh. Is your complaint about the way the product smells in the bottle or after drying?
Yeah SStava,,,Ecover FS was like using water. Rubbish. Smell was decent I guess, but softening was awful.
Seventh Generation did actually soften, but I only had a choice of unscented or Laveder/Eucaplptus. ICK!
Mrs. Meyers smelled good, but was very waxy and thick!
I did not care for Vaska FS scent in the bottle, or on the dried clothes. It was either fishy or musty as you described. I also found the texture odd and aesthetically unpleasant :)
Using 1/2 the amount of Downy, and topping off with water...the performance is really, really great...and I have a huge amount of scent choices. Even the unscented Downy softens really well!!
@ larsi
I did not care for Vaska FS scent in the bottle, or on the dried clothes. It was either fishy or musty as you described. I also found the texture odd and aesthetically unpleasant :)Yes, now that you mention it... rotfl!
I also have Downy Free & Sensitive. It pours like coffee creamer. You'll laugh at this... I keep it handy in case one of the new natural fabric softeners that I'm trying doesn't work very well. If that happens, I throw in a 1/4 shot of the Downy and it's just enough to put the lesser product over the top.
"including Henkel's new anti-bacterial fabric softener"
It's not a softener, just a disinfectant. Several brands offer their own version now. I think people at Henkel deserve a kick in their @$$e$ for this product. First, we have all these uber-moms on TV telling us how well new Persil acticPower cleans in cold water and then, a few weeks later, they try to tell us that, well, cold water is wonderful...but...sometimes... bacteria is left behind and we should all pour disinfectant into our washers. Here comes Persil disinfectant - what a coincidence! :(
I certainly won't buy (into) that.
BTW, the recommended dose of Persil disinfectant is 90 ml, as far as I remember. That is for European (small capacity) washers. I don't know how much one would have to use in a much larger Miele. On top of that, our softener dispenser does not even hold 90 ml to begin with. Persil says that softener has to be added extra.
I don't understand these manufacturers. I have been using grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with success as a natural disinfectant for laundry, household surfaces, and external application. 1.5CCs (cubic centimeters) is enough to disinfect a load of laundry. That's 1/4 teaspoon. And you need 6 tablespoons of the Persil disinfectant? Something is amiss.
I'm not a scientist and don't conduct studies in my home. However, it has removed mildew odors from the waistband of some troubled sweat pants that have had that strange odor for years. It also clears up my dog's ear infections and has worked wonders on a difficult toenail fungus. I would qualify all of those as successes.
Phew, I thought Larsi had changed TO TIDE instead of sticking with Persil.
I like Persil better than Ariel, and I hate Downy. The Italian softener that I liked is no longer available but if you look for Lenor at Amazon & Vernel they are available at Amazon from Better Products Online.
I bought 16 bottles of it btw. I adore Lenor! I'm kind of scared to use Tide HE due to oversudsing in my Miele.
I was told to use vinegar in my Miele dishwasher by Miele themselves so I use it a lot in there. So far everything is ok with it.
@ Miele Maid...
"You adore Lenor, but hate Downy".
You do know that they are both made by P&G...and they share the SAME formulas, and even several scents are IDENTICAL to USA and Canadian scents?? P&G just renames Lenor & Downy versions for different markets and countries..SO sorry sweetie...It's all in your mind, if you hate Donwy, but love Lenor :)
OK ... the only Tide compact powder available in Canada is the HE (non bleach) version. It is original scent (same as bleach version is US). Should smell the same right?
It was on sale today so I grabbed a box. We'll see ... I'm a little worried scent will be too much. I tried to smell through the box and it didn't seem over whelming.
Hilarious! I used to only use Tide original and Downy F&C years ago. Now I'm "scared" of it ... LOL ...
My mom was visiting this week so I gave her some Persil megaperls to try in her new LG. She often shops at a German store in her town (as my step father is German) and they sell it. She really liked the smell so she may become a Persil convert.
They have a friend coming to visit from Germany in September and he offered to bring me anything I�d like to try. Any suggestions for German laundry products I should try (different from megaperls since they are readily available here)? Remember I don�t like too much scent (if that�s possible from German products).
I have to say, I'm really liking the Woolite Complete. Very suble scent and gentle cleaning. I used it on Egyptian cotton beach towels today and they are lovely :)
Lenor is my favorite, too! I never used to like Vernel because it would gunk up the dispenser and leave no smell after drying - unlike Lenor. BUT, I recently got to try some Vernel and it's wonderful. Clean dispenser and the scent - oh my! The good thing about Vernel is that you can smell the "final smell" when you open the bottle. Lenor usually smells totally chemical in the bottle and you only know what it really smells like once you used it on your laundry. Don't like the scent? Well, too late! Unfortumately, I took advantage of a special offer and bought seven bottles of Lenor. Oh well, I still love it.
livebetter: obviously, if you want the best, it's either Persil or Ariel. They always rank as the top detergents. Best stain remover: Sil Powder by Henkel. Best dishwasher detergent: Somat 9 tablets or alio powder by Aldi (South).
Tide he Powder and Tide he Powder with Bleach SMELL 100% DIFFERENT!! The Bleach version smell crisp and herbal (and like old fashioned soap).
Tide he Powder with the Original Scent smells soft and somewhat powdery and of faint perfume..yet clean and non-offensive to me at least.
I think both smell great. If you like more powdery and floral, you will like the non-Bleach version better!
Thanks Whirlpool trainee!
Larsi, how can they both say "original scent" if they smell different? Is there more than one original scent?
The Tide smells somewhat strong in the box although not as strong as Persil. I'll see how dryed laundry smells.
Not even sure why I need to try this ... I'm pretty happy with current selection ... ah the addiction :)
Looks like I need a cross border shop soon! With the Cdn dollar so strong it's an extra incentive.
Larsi - serioiusly, I don't think that Downy & Lenor are the same! They smell completely different. They might both be made by P & G, but P & G also makes Ariel & Tide and SOME people say they're the same but they are also not the same. In fact the Mex Ariel is also really stinky compared to the Euro version of Ariel.
Of course they have scents that are different that what we have in the USA and Canada. It's like Dove bar soap and Dove body wash! When I lived in Germany & Austria...Dove smelled totally different than what Dove has smelled like in the USA for decades. BUT...the formula is basically identical.
Same with Lenor and Downy. Different smells somewhat, for different markets...but the formulas are the same. P&G loves maximized profits!!! :)
"The Bleach version smell crisp and herbal (and like old fashioned soap).
Tide he Powder with the Original scent smells soft and somewhat powdery and of faint perfume."
Tide's boxes are sealed so tightly, I couldn't smell anything from either version at the store. I may have to engage in experimental behavior and invest in a box of the 'bleach' version. @larsi's description sounds like that scent wouldn't bother me as much. It may cause another rash/itch-fest from the perfume, for DH and myself, but it's all in the name of (laundry)science.
Do the Tide liquid HE versions smell the same as the corresponding HE powder versions?
Someone will benefit from the perfumed detergents we cannot use.
@sshrivastava - I know you directed a question to Larsi regarding VASKA, and I have to say I am completely unimpressed with the washing liquid and with the softener which does not really smell that well, except when it's completely dry. If one phones up Vaska (they were sold to a larger company recently) they will send you samples. I got their samples - just not impressed with it.
I LOVE Vaska - I pay to have it shipped to Canada. To each their own obviously but I love the smell of the Herbatergent (don't use the FS) and I think it cleans really well. Of course, I don't wash my dirtiest tea towels with it but for gentle washing of items I'd like to keep nice - superb! I've used it for white sheets/towels with oxygen bleach and they are still very white and clean.
@cavimum, depends on the load. A load of queen/king sheets would get one full cap with 2 tbsp of oxygen bleach. I would use some vinegar in the rinse to help remove any residue. A load of towels would get about the same.
If the sheets were not changed for a few weeks (I hate that but it happens) then I might increase dose to 1-1/2 caps. I would might also use a prewash or extended cycle.
When I do smaller handwash or delicate loads I would use less depending on how many items in the load. Maybe half a cap for a smaller load. I also use it to handwash delicates in the sink (my expensive bras come out beautifully when washed with Vaska).
Water hardness here is moderately hard (8.7 Grains/Imp gallon). I've never had a suds issue with it and it rinses great.
My friend and I order it on line and have it shipped here (we both have Miele W4XXX machines). We both LOVE it and can't imagine laundry without it. My friend has a new baby and does all his laundry with Vaska - I can't stop snuggling him 'cause he smells divine (and he's cute)!
I looked for a LONG time for a nice natural lavender detergent that worked and I finally found it with Vaska. It will be a sad day for me if they don't make it.
I've been using it for several months so I know it works. Nothing is turning dingy.
I just did handwash laundry of mine the other day (some delicate tops) and I just couldn't stop smelling how lovely they all smelled when they were done.
@ mielemaid - Different strokes for different folks. I love Vaska because it leaves my clothes incredibly soft and fluffy. It may not clean as well as Tide, despite Vaska's claims, but for me it's a staple detergent for sheets, pillow cases, duvets, towels, and other items I would like to remain as fresh and soft as possible. These are not items that get heavily stained. I only have sudsing issues w/ Vaska when I wash towels at full dose, so for towels and similar "fluffy" items I cut the dosage in half.
I'm still waiting for the "perfect" detergent that will give me superior cleaning combined with excellent softness. I have recently achieved good results by adding 1.5 TBS of LanoSoft powdered laundry soap to whatever detergent I happen to be using at the time. LanoSoft is primarily soap flakes (w/ glycerin) that help to keep clothes soft even after using a relatively strong detergent like Tide HE. Now my Tide HE loads come out as soft as my Vaska loads, so I'm starting to combine my laundry stash in interesting ways to get the best of both worlds. :)
I just returned from Kroger grocery store. They have Tide Liquid HE Coldwater ~FREE~ formula. That isn't even on Tide's web site yet.
Would the Coldwater formula work well in warm and hot washes? It's a dumb question, but it may only work well in cold water....I am detergent-challenged, and it is perfume free...
I have that one too. It is on the US site (not on Cdn site for some reason).
I found this in FAQs:
What happens if I use warm water by mistake?
Tide Free for Coldwater HE can also be used in warm and hot water washes.
What is the ingredient that makes Tide Free for Coldwater HE better in cold water?
It is difficult to point to any one ingredient as the ingredients in the formulation work synergistically together to maximize the performance of Tide Free for Coldwater HE in cold water washing.
Let us know what you think. I thought it cleaned well. I'm not a fan of detergent is optical brighteners so I don't use it much (every know and then).
Here is a link that might be useful: Tide Free HE Coldwater
@cavimum, every Tide product has brighteners so I assume this is an oversight on their part. I will email them to find out. I too would be excited to find out it did not contain OBAs. I can't see why the regular HE Free would have them but not the coldwater version?
If you have Woolite Complete at a store near you - try it for your darks. I'm really enjoying it and using more than I thought. It has a fragrance but it is very mild (unless even a littel is too much for you).
@livebetter - I never considered Woolite. Just now looked it up on the 'net, but the product graphics don't show HE version.
Do you use the darks formula in your Miele? Sudsing?
A little fragrance may not bother me, but the itching is another story. I'm game to try it if it is HE safe.
@cavimum, the US site doesn't show it but the Cdn site shows what my bottle says. For both top load and front load. Same dosage for both.
I haven't had any suds issue with it.
I have not used the darks version. Here in Canada we also have a version for colors. Both darks and color have a die catching ingredient to keep clothes from taking on color from other items in the wash.
My mom has the dark version and likes it.
I find the darks and color have a little more scent to them.
I bought the complete one because my Costco had it for a good price. I've used it for my husband's dress shirts (Italian cotton), towels, sheets, nice clothes. No enzymes and no brighteners.
Here is a link that might be useful: Woolite Cdn Site
@mielemaid - Did your friend say why she did not like Tide Cold Water formula? Cleaning? scent? left clothes feeling scratchy?
@livebetter - Down here, Woolite is either loved or hated by people. For the past twenty years, most of the people who mention Woolite have nothing good to say about it, but it has its fans, and obviously is still in business.
@cavimum, I guess it depends on how you view laundry and detergent. I'm not from the camp of "one detergent for all things".
Detergent like Tide (or any myriad of others) are created to tackle almost any stain known to mankind. All that "stuff" (ie. enzymes, brighteners, surfactants) takes a toll on fabric.
This is what Woolite says about that:
Q: What does "washing related damage" mean?
A: Washing related damage is damage to your clothes that has occurred due to repeated chemical, temperature related or mechanical wear on your clothes during the wash. Certain ingredients that may be included in laundry detergents can damage clothing fibers and colours. This, in combination with high washing temperatures and heavy centrifuging, can cause your clothes to "age prematurely".
I've read comments from people who try to wash a dirty/stained load (ie. tea towels) with a gentle detergent and then declare it doesn't work. You need to select your detergent based on what you're washing.
I do use products like Persil/Tide but only when I feel that kind of power is needed. Even some greener choices like Seventh Generation, Shaklee, Method contain enzymes and maybe brighteners.
There are many items I wash where a gentle detergent to remove "daily" dirt is all that's needed. Any special stains would need a pretreatment.
My husband's dress shirts for example; he wears them once. He's pretty neat so rarely is there a food type stain. He has some collar dirt but not excessive; I pretreat the collars and wash with a delicate detergent like Vaska or Woolite Complete (with a little oxygen bleach). His shirts look wonderful. He buys expensive Italian cotton custom shirts and they stay looking good for many years.
These are obviously personal preferences/choices but it's working for me currently. The only down side is trying to decide which detergent to use :)
If I run across some of the Woolite Dark HE, I will sniff-test it and might give it a try. I'm desperate for something that won't lighten my dark clothing over time, beyond the norm.
Our clothes don't get really dirty and the perfume issue is going to limit our choices. I once tried adding some BIZ liquid to DH's sweaty golf shirts. The perfume odor permeated the house, and he broke out in a rash from it. BIZ liquid is far more heavily perfumed than the powder, but I still only use it for soaking mystery stains. It was a godsend for grass stains, back when our son played middle school football.
re: Seventh Generation detergent - Several years ago, I tried the SG "hypoallergenic" powder. It said "hypoallergenic" on the box and had no scent. I did a whole week's worth of laundry in one day with it, including sheets & towels. The next day, DH was fine but I was broken out in the worst red itchy rash and found a dermatologist who could work me in that day to give me a Kenalog shot. $90 later, I will never ever go near Seventh Generation again. (I also had to re-wash everything.) Years later, I stumbled upon that web site which shows lab-test residues, and SG had the highest residue, so I attribute my experience to that.
@Cavimum, I would highly recommend unscented Vaska for your darks and delicate laundry. I absolutely love it. It's great at removing deodorant residue and various smells and yet gentle enough for wool, silk and cashmere. My local Target carries it (in a special natural cleaner section, not detergent section). I've tried a number of detergents over the last 10 or so months, and Vaska Unscented hands down is the best detergent for darks and delicates.
For what it's woth: this is my current stash. Ariel Compact powder and Lenor powder for colors. Ariel stain remover and Perwoll for washing duvets in this wonderful new machine. Lots of Lenor softener as I took advantage of said special offer. And no, I usually don't stack this stuff like this. *lol*
@cavimum, I LOVE Vaska too. It's just great.
Try putting a small amount of vinegar in your bleach compartment. This will help squelch suds (I think).
Also, you should notice less sudsing with clothes. Towels can create a lot of suds as they are not very dirty and they are thick.
Let us know how you like it.
@whirlpool trainee, is the Ariel Compact Powder like the Tide Compact Powder here? Sounds similar. How is the Lenor for colors? Are they both heavily scented?
@ Whirlpool trainee....
Your machine looks just like our Whirlpool Duet (that still say Made in Germany, although some batches are saying Mexico).
Ist Bauknecht eine deutsche Firma??
Lenor Pulverseife hab' ich nie gesehen. Neu?
No no, I don't stack anything on the washer. It does shake some with heavy loads of denim and other stuff.
Ariel compact is P&G's top detergent over here. Not heavily scented, in my opinion. I don't know about about all the ingredients of Tide. I think Ariel has more enzymes - five versus one or two in Tide (last time I checked). Lenor detergent is brand new. Supposed to infuse laundry with its scent. It's as if Downy would sell a detergent. I haven't found it to be as effective as softener. Won't buy it again.
Yes, the washer is mostly the same as your original Whirlpool Duets - not the newest ones - with some modifications for the European market, like a powerful heater and the ability to do 203F washes. Bauknecht is a German company but was bought by Whirlpool years ago.
Here is a link that might be useful: for Larsi: Lenor Detergent
@cavimum, yep ... I thought so. Tide's response to my question re: brighteners in the Coldwater HE Free.
"Thanks for contacting Tide.
I do apologize for any confusion but Tide Coldwater Free HE does contain optical brighteners. The only detergent that P&G manufactures that does not contain optical brighteners is Cheer Powder.
Hope this helps!"
I didn't think it was possible for that one not to contain brighteners when every other flavor does. Sorry ...
@livebetter - Thank you for following up. I figured there had to be an error on Tide's ingredient list on their web site. We can't trust anything on the internet, can we?! LOL
Cheer's web site is not as informative or user-friendly as Tide's. There doesn't seem to be a F&C cheer HE powder and their liquid 'dark colors' formula is heavily perfumed. Bummer.
@livebetter - I have too many sudsing problems with Vaska. I don't know why. Last week, I washed two bath towels, four hand towels, some washcloths, 1/2 cup Vaska, 'Sensitive' setting for extra rinse, and had to re-rinse before I saw no bubbles. I really like the scent and wish it worked in my home.
So i read most of the thread here and i am still at loss here... i don't have that much laundry as i been waiting forever for my only bottle of tide to finish its half way done.
What do most recommend Persil combo for washing or something else? I have stopped using dryer sheets as my gas dryer produces little to no static and clothes come out smelling fine to me.
I was thinking of getting persil universal and persil colour (megaperls) but after reading this thread i am back to square one.
Am I the only one that dreams of having Persil Color PULVER here in the U.S?
We have the Universal Powder, which I love and have been using for a decade, but I only use it for whites.
Not a huge fan of Megaperls in general, and despise liquids for the most part.
Any ideas of where it might be found, short of a trip to Germany?
@ whirlpool trainee
I was wondering the very same thing. I can place items in den Einkaufswagen, but that's as far as I've gotten. I don't know the language well enough to figure it out.
I'd be in heaven, or bankrupt, if I could order from Amazon.de, lol.


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JAMES Constable will still keep close tabs on Oxford United's fortunes despite starting the next stage of his career away from the Kassam Stadium, writes MATTHEW BRUCE.
The striker, who left the U's this summer one goal short of equalling their all-time goalscoring record, is pictured above playing for his new team Eastleigh in a pre-season friendly at Didcot Town on Monday.
He netted twice in a 3-0 victory.
The 29-year-old is beginning to get used to life after Oxford, but will always follow United's progress under a new manager following the departure of former boss Gary Waddock.
"My decision was made early in the summer and the situation there and the fact that I was offered less, meant it wasn't going to be possible for me to stay," he said.
"I made the decision to move from the club and I'm still happy with that decision."
Constable added: "It was a big part of my career.
"I was there for quite a long time and it's natural to keep in touch with what's going on.
"It's not really for me to comment on, but the club have made a decision and new people have come in.
"I had a brief time with Gary and he was a nice guy. He was unfortunate to have lost his job, but a new guy has come in and I'm sure everyone will give him their best."
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Zambia Chlorhexidine Application Trial (ZamCAT)
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Each year nearly 4 million children die before 4 weeks of age, with one-third of these deaths due to infection. Contamination of the umbilical stump poses a significant risk of infection and death during the first 28 days of life, especially among home births, which are common in rural Zambia. Effective interventions that can be carried out at the household level are critically needed to reduce neonatal infections and mortality. Between November 2009 and December 2013, the CGHD worked in partnership with the Zambia Ministry of Health to implement the Zambia Chlorhexidine Application Trial (ZamCAT). The aim of the study is to demonstrate whether chlorhexidine, a simple antiseptic wash applied to the umbilical stump of newborns, will reduce infection and thus improve infant survival rates.
Almost 40,000 pregnant Zambian women were recruited for the study. Half of them used the topical antiseptic daily for a period of a week to ten days postpartum, and half cared for their newborns based on the standard practice—dry cord care. The study seeks to determine whether community-based health workers and mothers themselves can implement this effective and sustainable home-based program in a rural African setting, where neonatal mortality rates are high.
Before launching the project, the study team conducted formative research to identify community-specific behaviors and practices related to umbilicus care through focus group discussions and in-depth interviews in Zambia's Southern Province, where the trial took place. The results of this qualitative research have informed the design and implementation of a culturally acceptable intervention.
The trial is now in the data analysis phase, with over 39,787 mother baby pairs having completed the data collection follow-up.
The anticipated outcome of this study will be a proven, simple method to reduce neonatal mortality. Similar research in Nepal found that the neonatal mortality rate was reduced by 25% and up to 34% in children who had the first chlorhexidine application within 24 hours of birth. The intervention—which costs pennies—would be a cheap, effective method to protect newborns in the first 28 days of life in Zambia and has the potential to be applied in other settings in the developing world.
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Is a Fan/light combo enough?
I want to replace the lighting in our 3.5x7' powder room. Right now, we have a 3 light fixture over the mirror. I want to remove it and replace the existing fan with a fan/ light combination. Would that be enough light? This is the only guest bath on the main floor.
I didn't buy them intending on them being the only light source, so there may be models adequate for this out there, but neither bath fan I have provides enough light to be the only light source. Not even the powder room. The vanity lights are decent, but I like the filler light the fan adds when they are on together.
A fan/light combo will NOT provide enough light if it is the only light source in the bathroom.
We have this question too. Our electrician suggested a recessed can fan light. He said it should provide ample light. We shall see!
we have a couple of recessed can light fans and they provide a nice amount of light, but it won't light up the mirror like the above the mirror light did... plenty of light to see, but probably not enough to closely inspect yourself in the mirror unless it is directly over the sink...
Thank you for the replies. The fan/light would be the only light. Since we have 10ft ceilings, no window, and a very dark paint color, it seems it will not provide the light we need. I am having a hard time finding over the mirror lighting I like and it is not in the budget to hire an electrician to move the box. Back to the drawing board!
My experience (though limited) is not to chinch on lighting. Walking into a dark (or darker) bathroom is not near as pleasant as a very well lit bathroom. Err on the side of too much, IMO.
That said, I totally agree with you about the choices out there for lighting. I'm hoping that the choice is so limited because the industry is kind of going through a transition to LED and maybe they haven't had a chance to do all the new designs needed.
I've got one that I don't care for that much, it is a pendant light but I also have in my mind that I don't think it will be that expensive to redo when that day comes that I see exactly what I like (for the right price) so it is a placehoder for now - I don't hate it but I don't love it either. (Lighting can be VERY expensive - I am amazed at the range.)
But I've got the "bones" setup the way I want and that is the most important thing. Sometimes we have to settle and have a little patience.
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Phal's spike may be?
Would you expert in orchids tell me this is a spike or a root please? I have been watching this phal, Sine June I have it from someone just about to chuck it out and I took it home. It gave me 6 roots and 4 leaves. This time this little tiny green thing comes out and it does not look like the other roots before. I hope this is a spike. My hope is very high but if you say it's a root, okay, I'll keep on waiting..Thank you!
I can't believe it! the exact same thing is happening to my phalaenopsis! And I've had mine since June too. This is also the first spike I've ever had on mine. What are the odds? So cool! We should have a race to see whose orchid blooms first! lol
Exciting! Now comes the wait. Oh, the waiting. I had a phal start a spike in mid-April, and the first flower didn't open until mid-July! I'm not a patient person. However, the blooms lasted until November, so I shouldn't complain at all. Be sure to check back in with your blooms!
I'm currently waiting on an oncidium to show me its flowers (first for me) ... I noticed the spike on September 19, and it's so, so close! Every day I wake up and glare at it. And then I come home from work and glare at it. The buds are a deep purple ... if they would just OPEN! I am not a patient person.
Here is a link that might be useful: Link to my phal post.
Me too! Just as Jane predicted, although I'm not holding my breath that I'll have blooms by Christmas - and mine is white too. I've been excited about roses, and morning glories, and other flowers, but I've never felt this satisfaction. This one was, at least to my novice eyes, in pretty bad shape when I brought it home from the office lunchroom, and it's going to bloom! Who'd a thunk?? :)
Okay Ladies and gentlemen! We'll see whose phal will open first! Make sure you post it so we can see. I am just so excited and Danielle, I come to my orchids about 20 some times a day. First thing I got out of bed, I see my orchids right on my dresser, then I go in my bathroom, I see them right there. Then I go to my kitchen which next to my living room and see them there and I say "good morning beauties" to all of them. Since this phal gives my spike. I sing to them "You are my sun shine" all of the time. My friends said I am crazy and my neighbours probably think so too because whenever I have a moment, I pull a chair and sit next the them and inspect every leaves of every orchid. My orchid friend said to me "just like you're expecting your first child!" and sure it almost true!! I am wondering how long before they bloom. I am hoping it will bloom for my birth month which is February. That would be an exciting wonderful birthday gift!! So, dear orchids expert friends, how long do we have to wait. I can see the spike grow slowly every day.. I think...
I've been putting mine in the laundry room at night - the temperature difference between day and night are what trigger blooming, from what I've learned. The laundry room only has a small space heater to keep the washer hoses and water pump from freezing, and stays about 55 or so. The hard part was to remember to bring it back into the warm house in the morning. I am getting into a routine now_out when I feed the cat, in when I make my breakfast. LOL! I only have the one but I really can't wait till it blooms for me.
That's what my formerly blue phal looks like. It's re bloomed 2 times already, it's got a spike starting now. Just for the curious ones. It's pretty enough. I like the coloured ones, but white is nice for a change. I injected it with blue food dye for the first rebloom and got some sky blue veining in a few of the flowers (don't have pics sadly). Gonna try again this year.
Are they okay to move back & forth like that every day Thedogs? I heard from somewhere said they don't like to be moving too much. I have another phal just moved into my bathroom last week. This phal a few weeks ago, gave out something I couldn't have time to know what that was then I accidentally broke it off. I hope it doesn't get mad at me and sulk but I found in my bathroom which is facing east. It has a very nice sun shines in the morning for about an hour and warmer than my livingroom. I close the heating vent and open the window a bit at night. (it's about -12 F and down at night outside here where I live) I hope I'm doing the right thing and it will give me a spike.I also have a dendrobium in the same bathroom and it seem happy there. It gives me 2 new shoots since I got it in May. I hope to see a new spike soon though.
I can see yours is more mature than mine. Here's mine. Could you see something on the right to the spike a dot of something growing just beneath the leaf? I do hope it going to be another spike for me!! That would be a double blessing!! May be it just a root, it's too young to tell but I have been watching it like a hawk every 20 times a day or so. It's so exciting!
Tanie, I have two rescued orchids who have now recovered to the point that I expect a bloom any time now. In my ignorance, I over potted the plants, so they spent the last year mostly filling up the pot with roots. I, too, inspect the plants daily, and watch every bump like a hawk! I have a feeling you will indeed see your flowers in February. A happy birthday present indeed! :)
Today I noticed that the blooms on the oncidium spike I found in September have FINALLY started to open! I'm thrilled to know the color (dark purple), but I'm still looking forward to seeing the flowers fully opened on this tiny twinkle.
Oh Danielle, puple orchid is my most favorite of all kinds....In fact I even have a website for my jewellery called: purpleorchidjewellery.blogspot.com. I can visioned the beautiful purple orchid flowers you're going to have. Oh how blessed you are! I wish mine will give me some like that too. I don't have purple oncidium like yours but I have a oncidium with big white flowers with dark purple spots on them. They are very pretty to me too. At the moment, it looks healthy and gave me 2 new shoots since I got it in late May or early June. I come to it every day and look inside the leaves beside the pseudobulbs to see if any new thing coming.... Best of luck and enjoy your beautiful orchid...would you post the flowers when they are open for us to admire?
Tanie,I only used the cold laundry room for about two weeks till the spike clearly became a spike. From what I learned here, a temperature drop in the beginning of winter triggers flowering, but there's no need to keep doing it. Once the spike starts, it will keep growing and bloom, given that all other conditions are right.
Danielle, mine is also a rescue - a gift to my employer for a delivery rerouted to the correct place, but no one knew how to take care of it, and some were putting ice cubes on the moss in an effort to help, including me. I found this forum, learned a little and decided to kidnap it, and here I am. Everyone at work wants me to bring it in so they can see it when it blooms again! I won't of course, they'll get photos.
I keep looking at other orchids, but haven't yet bought one. I just can't make up my mind. I think all of you with so many scare me! I'm very much afraid I'll get addicted!!! LOL!!!
Be careful ThedogsLL, It is very addictive and I love it though. But again, I am very easy to get addicted to these kind of things. Few years ago, I was addicted to making stainglass. I worked so hard at it and so fast you won't believe it. I almost changed all my windows and doors into stainglass. Then I went to making jewellery, for last few years, I got into growing roses. I am still passionate with jewellery and roses. But now is winter, can't do much with roses so, orchids will do me good. Back to orchids, so for the one that has spike on, should I move it to a warmer area of the house? Would it grow a bit faster in a warmer room? I have one I put in the east facing window for sun in the morning and I open the window and close the vent at night and keep the tempt. below 60 F. I hope I am doing the right thing and this plant will give me a spike.
Oh dear,I'm not that experienced. I'm sorry if anything I said made you think I was any kind of expert. :)
I can only tell you that I keep mine at normal temps in my home. I figure if it's warm enough for me, it's good for the orchid. Ideally, I'd be able to provide more tropical, like higher humidity and warmer temps, but that isn't going to happen in New England in the winter. Summers are different - we get plenty warm and humid, lol!
The phal that I have seems to like it. I just used the night time drop in temperature to trigger the spike, because of all I had read, and it worked. I don't have an east facing window at all. Mine is in a southern window, so it gets midday sun, filtered by a mini-blind I adjust depending on what time of year it is. If the sun is too strong I can partially close it. If I remember correctly, phals like temps between about 65-85? Not sure, as it's been a while since I looked it all up.
Sorry Tanie, I didn't mean to make you jealous. By growing sideways do you mean it is growing toward the light? That's what mine is doing. It seems to be growing straight towards the window, except you cant tell in the above photo.That's a problem for me because the plant is right next to the window and I don't want it to get tangled up in the blinds. I'll probably have to train it in another direction if it continues that way. Good luck and I hope yours starts growing faster for you.
I measured my spike. It's only 5/8" long. My spike grows under of the leaves. So there's no leaf under it to push it up. So, it looks like it trying to crawl under the leaves and I can't see where it can grow straight up because there's no empty space. I think you're right about going toward the light. I put it by the window too and all the leaves are like an umbrella above the spike. So, I can't see how it will straighten up latter when it grows longer. I another couple of weeks, I'll take picture and post it. Now, there's not much different from last time. Yours looks like it grow very fast compare with mine. And looks a lot bigger too. Enjoy your spike!
Danielle317 your purple orchid is really gorgeous! Im so much in awe, and the fact that most of the flowers opened almost in the same time gives it that wow factor too!.
Although I'm still struggling with my first two orchids (phal and a mini) I would love to be in that situation of spike hunting! Oh I am overthinking so much, can't even imagine my first repotting!
Can't wait for all of your spike updates!
To answer the question about my Oncidium orchid: it took a few days, but it is incredibly fragrant! I had read several things about them being more fragrant at night, but you can only smell this one in the morning. It's a very sweet smell, like vanilla, but there is a slightly floral note to it as well. Nothing I have ever smelled in a flower before, that's for sure!
Jason, thanks for confirmation - and yes, it's VERY hard to wait.
Does anyone know - - is there a fragrant Phal? One of the things I insist on in my roses is that they are fragrant, and reading Danielle's post about her orchid makes me want that inside. Especially in the winter and early spring!
thedogs, here is a thread I found on GW from a few years ago about fragrant phals.
Here is a link that might be useful: Fragrant phals
Tanie, have you fertilized your plant lately? I did mine a few weeks back and that's probably why it is growing so fast. Mine will probably slow down its growth for a few weeks though because my family has a new hobby of parking large trailers in front of my window, blocking out all of the light Which makes me SUPER mad. But I suppose that I could keep it in the backyard during the day while my window is blocked. What kind of light does your orchid get? Anyway you might want to try giving it some fertilizer if you haven't already. And yes, Mine is getting long now, past 2 inches already. I didn't expect it to grow so fast. Good luck! :)
I do fertilized it with Orchid Food 19-31-17 every second time of watering. Light? not much! it's winter and day is much shorter than night and the sun is very low. I was thinking about getting an octopus lamp for it but first, I couldn't get out of the house and Westoh said that light might be okay because it spiked. So, I will have to let it grow on its own time. Yours has 2 nodes already, mine has only one. I don't know, may be because of the weather is so much colder here than where you are? Any ways, the advantage of growing so slow is that they will be slow in dropping the flowers too I guess. I have 2 buds trying to open for last 2 weeks and still not fully open yet. These are the ones I bought them flowering and budding. Every thing is slow but I am not complaining. As long as they are healthy and doing their thing. I have patient. I am so envy with you who live in beautiful hot weather. I have a terrible snow storm today and yesterday and being snowed in for another couple of days before the snow combine (not real name) to come and plow the snow so I can get out of the house. Can't even doing much baking because don't have enough ingredients....
Jason, thank you for the link. I guess I must not be very good at searching, because I did try looking for phals with fragrance, just didn't find this thread. It's absolutely fantastic - so many names to look up!
Tanie, I also fertilize every other watering, but I don't use commercial fertilizer, so I don't know the numbers. I compost my kitchen scraps using worms in a bin, and I mix some worm castings with water and pour that over the roots after I give it a good drink. It seems to like it. I get a new root or major growth in a new leaf within a week or so of feeding this way. And the spike is now just over 1.25".
You are so handy thedogLL! I won't have a clue how to compost by worms. Doesn't it smell? May be you have your orchids outside? I will have to stick with commercial fertilizer or I will look to see if there's any organic fertilizer in the green house. in the mean time, I'll have to be happy with what I have and with what my orchid can do for me.
There's no smell when you take care of it right - just like good rich earth, like what you find outside when there's lots of earthworms in the garden or yard or whatever. I don't often have visitors, but when someone comes over, they don't have any idea it's in the kitchen unless I tell them, and then they want to know where? There is actually a forum here on Gardenweb for it, it's called vermicomposting.
I do wish orchid spikes would grow faster, tho. I know this one had really pretty white blooms! And I only have the one orchid. I don't dare put it outside. I'm just a little north of Boston - it's too cold!
And you SHOULD be happy with your orchid! I don't know yet if using my "natural" fertilizer will be good for it or not. I think so, because it's been really good for my other houseplants, but orchids are different, right? Different is what makes them special!
Tanie, I would switch your fertilizer. Orchids don't really use much phosphorus, so high phosphorus fertilizer is a waste on them. They won't really enhance your flowers or flower count, especially as an indoor grower. You'd be better off with a balanced 20-20-20 or something organic like kelp meal.
Bob got it. But if I may amend a little bit, diluting by half is really only necessary if you have a strong formulation such as MiracleGro 20-20-20. Diluting it in half makes it a 10-10-10 formulation. So if you already have a 10-10-10 or something close to it there is no need to dilute further.
Though I'll be the first to admit I never dilute my miracle gro. Maybe not the best practice but my plants aren't harmed by it.
If I'm using MSU I go full strength and when I use the liquid MG with the hose attachment in summers, they get it at that strength also. I do reduce when I use anything else though. I'm adding a seaweed extract to things this winter, it will be added at 1/2 strength or less initially.
Question: Would the lower #'ed ferts already have suggestions/package instructions to use more than the higher #'ed ones?
Hi ThedogsLL, I didn't post picture of my spike but since you said that, I just measured it right now and it is exact 1.5". I have a question about the light. I saw either Weston or Bob or some of you said that the lights have to be as close as 6" to 12" or something like that. I just went and got an octopus lamp and I think they are a bit too high up. I saw Jane's octopus lamp are right over the leaves. My lamp is if I measure from the light to the top of the leaves, it is about 4-7" but if I measure from the lights to the base of the plants is about 16-18". Could you please tell me would that be okay or it is too far? Another question is that my Nellie is in full bloom. (I bought it just last month). Would it be okay for it to be under the light or should I move it to somewhere else? Thank you!
I got 60W and octopus lamp has 5 lights. I bent them down as close as I can. They are all the same size so I spread them out over the orchid table. I will take a picture on the weekend and post it so you will have an idea. Now, I leave to work when it dark, come home when it dark.... Weekend will be good time to take pictures. I still need you to help me answer the question about my Burr Nelly, should I leave it there with the lights or should I move it somewhere more natural bright instead?
Thank you Bob!
Tanie, (and Jason) - I do apologize - I didn't notice the dividing line between your post and Jason's. I thought that last image was Tanies. OOPS on my part.
Since I only have the one phal, I don't have supplemental light. What it gets is from the window behind it.
I thought about picking up some "regular" fertilizer, but it's doing fine on what I'm doing so far, so I think I'll let it go on and see what happens. Might work, might not, so we'll see. :)
Hi Bob & Jane, I just took a couple of pictures of the lamp eventhough it's dark but you can see what the distance between the lights and the plants and please tell me if that is okay. If not, I will raise the table up a couple of inches.
Thank you,
Distances look fine to me... I'm assuming you got 60 watt equivalents, they will work but look for the 100-120 equivalents when they need replaced. I think those (100-120 watt equivs) are 23-27 watts as far as the CFL wattage rating. It gets confusing.
Just to add more confusion :-), I actually look at the # of lumens produced, the more the better. You can find the lumens on the packaging.
I exchanged the bulbs to 100W and found another kind or orchid liquid plant food which is 15-5-5. I couldn't find anything with equal # except for general house plants. Is this okay? and should I still use only 1/2 strength? Thank you in advance.
Tannie, you can use any fertilizer, it doesn't have to say 'orchid'.
Congrats on your lights, they look great and I bet you will have beautiful flowers. Watch your spike that it doesn't get too close to the bulbs, you don't want it to get too hot.
Great job!
Thank you Jane, now I have another question. I just found this little tiny green thing coming out next to the new leave of the same phal that is spiking. It doesn't look like a leaf because I saw new leaf came from the top like this would be flat. This is kind of round and it coming quite quickly compare with spike in the bottom of all these leaves. Would root come out from the top? I am so curious. Would any of you experienced can identify this thing. I guess I can wait but I am too anxious to wait. Thank you,
Spikes can grow from the very top. Problem is that it spells doom for the plant. The reason is because it indicates the lead growig point (meristem) has converted from a foliage meristem to a flowering meristem. So new leaves cannot grow. Often a basal keiki can form (depending on the species behind the hybrid). So you get the plant back but it takes a few years.
Thank You Terp! Okay then, whatever it is, it is! Did I do anything to make spike grow like that or it does it own thing? If I did something to make it grow like that, would you tell me so I know and won't do it any more. I like flowers but if the flowers will prevent further growth and bloom then that's not too good.
Jason, it is too small yet for me to see. I will have to wait for another week or at least few more days to see it more clearly. I have another question about the lamp. I hope Jane or Bob or any of you can help me out. I just got the octopus lamp as you can see it the couple of posts before this one. I turn it on around 8 pm, and turn it off around 7:30 or 8 next morning. Now my other friend told me that I should let the plants in the dark at night and keep light on during the day instead. What I thought was turn the light at night in addition to the not enough light at day. So, would you please tell me how to do this? Thank you.
Tanie, the plant is doing its own thing. Nothing you can do about it.
Re: your light timing, give it darkness. Plants are naturally adapted to and require a dark spell for proper metabolism. As you begin to explore other genera, you discover that many actually require the darkness in order to bloom (unifoliate Cattleyas come to mind, as well as short day Phalaenopsis type Dendrobiums).
Follow nature on this. Keep the lights on only during the day, let them go off at night. What you are thinking of, using extended length of time of artificial light to supplement inadequate lighting, only works to a point before you start negatively impacting the plants metabolism and natural circadian rhythms, thus potentially negatively affecting the growth and health of the plant. A good rule of thumb would be no more than 16 hours of light per day, preferably shorter during the winter.
A timer is your friend on this and makes your life much easier!
The plants on my light cart are currently on a timer for 11 hours of light per day with 200W equivalent CFLs.
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Thank you very much Terp!
I have so much to learn and it's so good to have you all help me when I need it. Sometime I tried to be independent searching on Internet and all that but still this forum is best resource for me.
How is your orchid's spike? I imagine it might be over 3 or 4"? Mine is about 2". I still don't know how it will come out under whole bunch of leaves. I hope the lamp light will draw it upward and find the way out. Poor thing, looks like it bending its back all the time.
I always gave mine 18hrs in winter. My Phals went out for the summer and when they came in they were already spiking. As were the dends. The plants growing by the large windows got about 7hrs of light from the lamps. I had the timer set to turn on at sunset and run until about midnight.
The plants growing in the room without natural daylight got 18hrs from the lamps. Again, they were already spiking. I did not find any detriment by running the lamps for 18hrs. The lamps are supplementing the lack of sunlight and they are not strong enough to do that unless you extend the light time-length.
You can judge by the growth of the spikes. The more light the faster the spike grows. If the light is too weak, it could stall. You also need to make sure the room is warm enough.
I would not run the lights all night. Everything needs to sleep!
Hi Jason,
Mine is nothing like yours at all. It's also hard to take a picture because I have to take from underneath the leaves or turn it up-side-down. I'll do it on the weekend if you REALLY want to see it.
Thank you for posting yours picture.
Wow, Tanie! I see what you mean now! But I think it'll be fine. My daughter is here from IN, for Christmas, and she's got a few orchids. I showed her your photo, and she said she's had two do the same thing, and she also pointed out the little sprout on the left side. She says it may turn out to be a double spike! The curved one should grow out from under the leaf, and keep going.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Wow! is it unusual or what ThedogsLL?, if it is a double spike, and then another spike on the top, (I know the one on top is a spike now because it shows as a shape of a mitten). I hope it will stay alive for me after all this spikes bearing. Thank you for letting me know.
I just wanted to post a note here that this thread is one of the most encouraging & informative things I have read about Phal orchids.
I'm in year 2 of my orchid ownership adventure and I've yet to have a single bloom*- and now I know why! They're clearly the happiest silly plants I've ever seen because they keep throwing out leaves and roots like it's a game. I must have put them in too big a pot!
Anyway I just wanted to thank everyone whose contributed to this!
*I had a spike and then the cats knocked the plant over and it broke off and a keikei grew on the nub and then the whole thing died. Very depressing, not worth thinking about.
Oh, that's just awful! If my cat did that, she just might get, well, into trouble.
I also am really new to orchids. I have only one, but have to admit that tomorrow I will triple that number. Home Depot sent me a coupon for a BOGO on orchids. They only have phals, so I'm going to pick, to the best of my ability, the best two on the shelf, and see what happens. If nothing else, it will give me something to do with the rest of the bag of orchid bark I bought for the first one. :) From what I've seen, they are massively packed into tiny pots with tight moss. I totally get into rescue, you know, hehe.
Hi Lynn,
Where do you get the coupon for orchids? I was there couple of days ago, they had some on sale but still 13.99. And Jane, they have octopus lamps there now too the same kind I got for $19.99. I'm going there to pick one up tomorrow. Don't know where to use it yet but for that price, I'm going to stock up....
Good idea, Tanie. I used the lights for other orchids too. Maybe its time for you to try a few new varieties! The lights work great even on dirt plants.
I had 4 Plumerias which I grew outside each summer. They were in large pots. Some would begin to bud just as the weather was getting cold. I'd bring the big pots inside and stick them under the octopus lights and they would continue to flower.
I also used them to finish spikes on Dends which would begin to spike in Sept. but needed more light to grow the spike. The lamps were good supplements to the window light.
Buy a bunch!
Hi Jane,
I never had orchid outside in my yard but planned to have a few this spring coming. I have spot in the corner of my fence and garage where too shady for my roses. ( I mean no direct sun light) Do you think I can have a couple of orchids there? and if I can, would you advice me what kind? I can't wait for spring!
Tanie, you have to join Home Depot's Garden Club to get the coupons. They send different ones through the year. Summer 2012 I got one for buy two hostas, get one free. I don't know if they will still send one if you join now or not - but if you want to try, the link is below. I think. I've never added a link to GW, so I hope it works. We'll see.
I added two new phals today. I got some photos before they drop the buds. It isn't very cold out today, so I'm hoping they won't, but they had to ride in my Jeep for a couple of hours. If they do it's okay. The roots and leaves are really healthy.
Here is a link that might be useful: Home Depot Garden Club


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Closed up my Windmill Palms today!
Well I bit the bullet and decided to protect my two trachys today. It was partly cloudy most of the day and mid 50s, so perfect protecting weather in a t-shirt. Could get some snow Sunday and then even colder weather next week ... BLAH ... well I guess it is December next week, so I knew this was eventually coming. I did something different this year ... I took a photo documentation of closing them up in case anyone else is interested in my method. Also, this year I converted my boxes into four panels each which will make assembly easier as they get taller ... no lifting a 12 foot box over the top, lol.
Ok, here they are before I started.
First, I cleared all the rocks away to get a smooth surface.
Then, I tied them up using big zipties ... these are found in the heating and air conditioning aisle at Home Depot ... used for connecting flexible ductwork to hard duct.
Next, I built three sides of the enclosure and placed the electric heaters. The first enclosure is 8 feet tall and the second is 6 feet tall.
Finally, I fastened the styrofoam to each side except a portion of the south side to let sun in. Also, shoveled stones around the enclosures to close any air gaps at the bottom.
New addition this winter is a window in each enclosure. This will make venting easier on the warmer days and also allow for quick and easy inspection. Lots of palm in there! :)
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So what's your favorite knitting bag look like?
We did this before and it was an interesting posting. And I don't mean the inside of your bag either. Do you have a fancy designer bag or are you toteing around a Seagram's bag like my friend? My own favorite bag(s) of the moment are both second hand...yard sale or thrift shop finds. One is an extremely colorful german bag with a black forest lady and man on the side panels -it contains no pockets but expands wonderfully so you can shovel in just one more double skein...it has wide hoop handles for easy carrying. I was attracted to it because we lived in the black forest area of Germany ( where this bag was made ) for eight years....someone bought it and obviously brought it back at some point (probably another military wife at some time). My second is a homemade patchwork affair in browns and creams, the prints attract me and the long shoulder strap handles for looping over your shoulder when transporting. Inside are a couple of pockets for scissors, needles and tape measure. Someone lovingly made this as the workmanship is very good. Soooo now what's your bag (or bags) like? Obviously I needed a break from my own needlework to post this...anyone else need a breather?
I also have a German bag that I carry my work around in! I was in Germany on an exchange and my host Mutter worked for the county* of Aschaffenburg. They had these little bags that they gave all their workers, so she brought one home for me. In English, it says "County* Aschaffenburg, keep us environmental!" with a red woodpecker on it. It's pretty beat up, and needs the seams fixing, so my real mother got me a new bag for Christmas, that has Dala horses on it and says something witty about women's work in English and around it, has the same thing in Norwegian. Neither of my bags have pockets on the inside, so I stick a cosmetic bag inside for the stuff I need (tape measure, yarn cutter, extra needles, etc).
Yes, I needed a breather from my projects. I just ripped back all of the toe decreases on a pair of (thigh high) socks I've been working on for two months because they were about an inch too short. *grumbles*
~ Kit
*I have no idea what Landkries translates to in English.
Break here too! So I did my one of my fun things and went to all the thrift stores in my area. I found a new bag (they were two for one) this new one is heavy navy canvas pretty good size 16x17 with a zipper across the top. No pockets but it is heavy enough to maybe glue a liner inside with the pockets that I need. My other bag is a backpack (new also) use this on vacations or day trips. Holds H2O, camera,plus . IT was a good day and a nice break. (now winter can come and I am recharged, for awhile anyway)
I use a basket that I made. I also have a smaller round one that hangs from the cup tray in our pickup truck nicely that will hold sock yarn and needles for working in the truck on a trip. I used it when we went to Iowa last summer. Didn't think to include it in the picture I took. When I am just going someplace close, dr. office or for a ride, train watching with DH, I just stick a sock project in a qt size zip lock bag to keep it from getting tangled in stuff in my purse. There isn't room for much more than that in our little car that we take for stuff like that. I started a Rambling Rows sweater for my 3 y/o grandson in camoflage colors, and that is DH's sock hanging off the edge of the basket.
Tami...who expects to see Budster over at the KT more often!!
Why, my knitting bag looks suspiciously like a collection of gallon size, zipper top storage bags LOLOL. My only issue is having to use "point protectors". Not to keep the stitches on the needles, but rather the needles IN the bag. They try to poke through.
I have two canvas totes (a big one for a big project or a small one for...well...you get the idea ;). And I have a crocheted snowflake bag I made myself that I love but am too lazy to line and the needles poke through and threaten bystanders.
When I travel for work I use a rolling briefcase that is a moveable laptop case, pharmacy, geek/techie store, library, and knitting bag.
My favourite is about 15 years old. The zipper has gone but it's still useable. It's from England and has a cat playing with a ball of yarn on the side. Canvas and plastic handles.
I got another one with sheep with needles in their mouths, and wooden handles but it's just not the same.
Anyone wanting a proper long knitting bag? I have one for sale. New, blue, no decor.
I have a tapestry tote bag with travel symbols on it, like Route 66 sign, that I picked up at Beverly's. It sits well on the floor and has two outside pockets, one zippered and one velcro'd. It's 12x10x4, large enough to hold my pattern mag, needle, etc. bag, etc. I throw my latest project into a plastic bag I can whip out and throw in my purse or lap to keep my project together but carry it around in my tote. I use the circular needles so I don't have a problem with them poking through in my purse. If I did, they would still fit in my bag as I carry a 14 inch ruler in it with no problem. It works real well for me because I can carry most everything I need for either crocheting or knitting if I want to distract myself. It has a zipper across the top but I only use it when I am not going to use it for a while. Of course, that's not my only bag, hehe. I have incomplete projects, books, yarn, whatever in other bags. The good news is I haven't added any more new ones.
My favorite bags are the two gallon Ziploc food storage bags and the two and half gallon Hefty bags. I can put a project, with long needles and all the yarn in these bags. I can see through them and the cats can't get to the stuff inside.
The bulk of my yarn and supplies sit in a large plastic box (Sterilite), the top locks down so the cats can't get to the yarn. There's something about yarn that attracts my cats, not only wool but synthetic. They will lurk and sniff and try all sorts of tactics to get to it. They also supervise my knitting, usually from the arm of the chair, but sometimes from my lap. Always entertaining, frequently challenging.
I lurk here, and hang out mostly on the cooking and kitchen forums. I've been knitting since I was a child, my grandmother taught me to knit (the European way). I make lots of mittens and hats (an easy project when I get home from work), though I have made some cable knit sweaters. Now that I have a grandson, I guess I'll be doing more knitting as well as other needlework.
I finished the socks in my picture in my post above! They are for my DH. The yarn is from Meilenweit, & is meilenweit colortweed brown gray.
I'm hoping someone will add more about their favorite knitting bags! I enjoy seeing what everyone else uses.


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(...)Cristo venceu, não recuou, doou a sua vida por você e eu (..)
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