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- It all started innocently enough, in the gaming forum section of a non-gaming related website I visit. The fanboys were going at it, spitting venom and vitriol back and forth as they tried to declare their favorite console as being the best choice for everyone.
Someone said that the PS3 simply had "more power" (and that is a direct quote). Others maintained that the PS3 had literally no good games that the 360 didn't (and I guess for some reason this meant that they thought it never would).
That's when someone chimed in with the argument that the PS3 is a better buy because it supports 1080p output via HDMI, without having to buy an "Elite" version. Of course, that's forgetting that the XBOX 360 in all its flavours comes with HDMI output now - including the "Retard" or "Arcade" version.
The point is that the current generation of games are not really full HD anyway. Most of them, at least.
Halo 3 Controversy
As I was doing research for this article, I came across this massive thread at Beyond3D. This is the thread that generated a lot of buzz on the net, and heat with Bungie, because they exposed the fact that Halo 3 played at a native resolution of 640p (that's 1152Ö640 - or 0.7 megapixels, less pixel area than that of the "old" gaming standard of 1024Ö768). People were upset, and Bungie took an overly defensive stance.
See, the common gamer just doesn't realize that most games do not necessarily use their 'full-HDTV' to full advantage. Most games run at a lower res, and use the console's hardware to scale it to native HD resolutions. In the case of Halo 3, it runs at 640p, and is upscaled to whatever you have your console set at - be it 1080p, 1080i, or 720p.
Current GPU's simply aren't powerful enough to run games at 1080p, at least while maintaining playable framerates with good graphics and the special effects current-gen games are known for. For instance, Halo 3 uses a lot of nice HDR and lighting effects to give scenes a more realistic look. With the XBOX 360, it wouldn't have been feasible to have these effects enabled and the game run smoothly at 1080p.
My guess is that they were aiming for 720p (early screenshots from beta builds are in 720p, which supports this theory) but had to crank the res down to 640p fairly late in development to keep things running smoothly. Perhaps they added one more effect that just pushed them over their EDRAM memory limit of 10MB.
Anyway, I didn't want this to turn into a Halo 3 discussion; it just happened to create a lot of buzz when it happened.
So is next-gen gaming really High Definition?
Now that we've established that most games use a native resolution of 720p, and use hardware to upscale to whatever res your television uses, some people may question calling XBOX 360 and Playstation 3 "HDTV Game Consoles". The answer to that is: they are HDTV gaming consoles, but scene complexity would have to be sacrificed to run games smoothly in full-HD. Imagine Halo 3 without the HDR effects, or Gears of War or Heavenly Sword without the full screen effects like haze, water, blood, etc. Yes, these consoles can run these games at 1920Ö1080. But they will look like crap and/or run at an unplayable framerate.
There are some games that do run at full 1920Ö1080. These are usually the less graphics-intense games like sports games and many downloadable 3D games, such as Blast Factor, Pixel Junk Racers, and the upcoming Street Fighter II HD game. These games can handle the extra pixels, since they usually have much more simplified graphics, with fewer low-polygon characters on the screen (even if they are often heavy with effects). Some would argue that some games that do run at 1080p probably shouldn't; if you've ever played Full Auto 2 PS3, you'll know what I'm talking about.
So be happy with 720p gaming - even though I don't consider it "full HD", it's quite a bit better than consoles have ever been, and each console does a great job of scaling in most cases. The Playstation 3 does have some issues with scaling when it has to do so in software mode, but we can save that discussion for another day.
If you see a game with "HD" in the title, chances are that it is indeed a 1080p game. If that's important to you, check the game out and see if you like it. It won't have the complexity of an AAA title like Gears of War or Metal Gear Solid 4, but it will have crisp, clean graphics, and hopefully a playable framerate. A couple of upcoming titles that come to mind are Wipeout HD and Gran Turismo 5.
It's not just Halo 3
Halo 3 isn't the only game that uses a lower native resolution than 720p. B3D Forum user Quaz51 discovered Halo 3's odd resolution because he is interested in finding odd resolutions in today's console games. He has discovered a number of games that use sub-720p graphics, on both consoles. Here's a quick list of those that he has mentioned so far:
-Tony Hawk's Project 8 - XBOX 360 - 1040Ö585 (with 4XAA)
-Tony Hawk's Project 8 - Playstation 3 - 1280Ö720 (no AA)
-Perfect Dark Zero - XBOX 360 - 1152Ö640
-Halo 3 - XBOX 360 - 1152Ö640
-Call of Duty 3 - XBOX 360 - 1120Ö630
-Call of Duty 3 - Playstation 3 - 1120Ö630 (software scaled to 720p)
-Project Gotham Racing 3 - XBOX 360 - 1024Ö600 (2xMSAA)
-Tomb Raider Legend- XBOX 360 - 1024Ö600 (2xMSAA)
-Tony Hawk's Proving Ground - Playstation 3 - 1024Ö600
-Tony Hawk's Proving Ground - XBOX 360 - 1280Ö720
-Super Rub a Dub - Playstation 3 - 1600Ö1080
-Gran Turismo HD - Playstation 3 - 1440Ö1080
-Super Stardust HD - Playstation 3 - 1280Ö1080
-Skate - Playstation 3 - 1536Ö864 (no AA)
-Skate - XBOX 360 - 1280Ö720 (4x AA)
-The Darkness - Playstation 3 - 1024Ö576
-The Darkness - XBOX 360 - 1280Ö720
-Jericho Demo - Playstation 3 - 996Ö560
-Call of Duty 4 - XBOX 360 - 1024Ö600 (2x AA)
-Call of Duty 4 - Playstation 3 - 1024Ö600p (2x AA)
-Def Jam: Icon - Playstation 3 - 1152Ö648
-Transformers - Playstation 3 - 960Ö1080
-Pirates of the Caribbean - Playstation 3 (720p mode) - 960Ö720
-Pirates of the Caribbean - Playstation 3 (1080p mode) - 780Ö1080
-Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - XBOX 360 - 1024Ö600
-Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - Playstation 3 - 1280Ö720
-Virtua Fighter 5 - XBOX 360 - 1024Ö1024
-Virtua Fighter 5 - PS3 (720p mode) - 1024Ö1024
-Virtua Fighter 5 - PS3 (1080p mode) - 1024Ö768
As you can see, each console has its fair share of "cheaters" (note that not all of the above should be considered 'cheaters' as this is simply a list of 'odd' rendering resolutions). Sometimes a game will run better on a console with a lower, antialiased resolution, while on the other console it makes more sense to have it run at full 720p. XBOX 360 tends to use FSAA more often, due to the advantage of having a 10MB EDRAM framebuffer integrated into the GPU.
Quite often though, games do not perform equally on both consoles. Tony Hawk's Project 8, for instance, only manages to run at 30 fps on the Playstation 3, despite not having any filtering. On the 360, it looks and plays smoother despite the lower resolution, because antialiasing is used.
In the end, you can rest assured that even though you sometimes aren't getting a "full 720p" experience, like in the case of Halo 3, developers are choosing the best resolutions and setting in mind to make sure you are getting the best graphics possible without sacrificing playability.
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When my dad got a tape player for the house, that was what we listened to. My dad was a big old fogey. Sometimes, we'd have family singalongs, and Simon & Garfunkel was like the one unifying group, maybe even more so than the Beatles. I had to ask my mom what everything meant. Like, "What's a mean individual stranded in a limousine?" That was kind of beyond me at five. I had to ask my mom about all the words and put the pieces together from that.
You've got to walk away from your parents' style of music; I really couldn't dig most of the stuff my dad was into. But that was the one group I was able to come back to. I still love Paul Simon. Graceland was a huge album at our house, and I've never turned my back on that record. If you play "Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes" today, you'd be a fool to not say that's a great song. I think people thought we were taking the piss when we called the !!! song "Me and Giuliani Down by the School Yard", but it was totally a nod of respect.
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When I was 10, I got really into AOR. They called me the KZAP Kid around that time because I was just so about classic rock and hard rock, Van Halen and all that. I loved it. On the last day of fourth grade, I bought Foreigner's 4 off a friend for four bucks. I was psyched, set for the summer. It was totally my summer album.
When you're 10, that safe pop-rock is just right up your alley, but anyone who was cool in 1983, I'm sure, thought that record was bullshit. I'm not going to say that the record's a masterpiece; it's mostly just about the hits. It wasn't one of those albums where I knew every single tune, but the hits are just major, like "Urgent". "Juke Box Hero" was telling you, "You can do it! You can be just like me! You can be a rock star!" I definitely used to air guitar that song for my parents, and I believed in the myth; I totally believed it could come true. I would use cardboard guitars for my air guitar shows. "Urgent"-- I made a cardboard sax for that. And maybe we made one cardboard keyboard, like out of a Kleenex box, but I'm not going to stand by that.
The album has Thomas Dolby on it. The synths on it are big on "Waiting for a Girl Like You". I mean, I bet if you chopped and screwed that, you could have a deep ambient Kompakt piece. The synths still sound right on that. I think they were trying to do like a 10cc "I'm Not in Love" kind of vibe. But it totally sounds dreamy. It's always funny to listen to those songs when you're 10. Rock and roll definitely molded my conception of what love is and what love would be like. And in "Waiting for a Girl Like You" it sounded awesome, you know?
Wire: The Ideal Copy
This is such a heavy year for you musically. I could list like 100 albums that were all so, so important. I kind of can't talk about my teenage years without talking about the Smiths, but the Smiths are so talked-about that I decided to go with the tape that I bought on my actual 15th birthday, which was The Ideal Copy. It's kind of their comeback record, and the reason I bought it was because I read a review in Rolling Stone that said that Gareth Jones produced them. He was the Depeche Mode producer, so I was like, "Oh, this has got to be it."
I got it and it was kind of one of those albums-- the lyrics were just beyond me; I didn't even understand. And now I realize Colin Newman was just putting pieces together in more of a surrealist way, but at the time you're like, "He must mean something." It all seems so intense when you're 15. Siouxsie & the Banshees held all the answers, and then you grow up and you read their lyrics and you're like, "Oh, they didn't know anything at all." [laughs]
I actually do stand by this record; I prefer it to 154. It's a little digital-sounding. I really love 80s production, but I think this maybe does sound a little clean. It's like a new shirt you want to throw in the wash. I don't know how you'd throw this album in the wash, but it could deal with a little grittier production. But I think some of the songs are just some of their best songs. We actually even covered the song "Ambitious"; we played it live a few times a couple years ago.
The Ideal Copy didn't lead me to older Wire albums then. I didn't get into that until I was probably 19. Those older albums were kind of hard to find. On some of those groups, I could work backwards. I remember the first Gang of Four album I got was the slick one, Songs of the Free, and that sounded great to me. I loved that record. I mean, I still love that record. So then I was lucky to get into them early, working backwards from that. With a lot of those groups, you get into the big album that's getting sold to you and pushed through the press, and you think, "No, this is crap!" You completely miss the fact that they had a time when they were actually cutting edge and were making good records. When I first started buying punk records, I was buying, like, the Circle Jerks from 1988, and it just doesn't work. When you get into any style of music, you're always buying the easiest ones to find in the used stores, the ones 10 years after that aren't any good, and so it puts you off at first.
New Age Steppers: Action Battlefield
I had just gotten into acid and was listening to everything through that lens. Every trip, when you'd see your friends after, it'd be like, "Oh, what did you listen to?" Each time, it was kind of a giant step forward. I'll never forget the first time I heard Action Battlefield. The sun was coming up, I was with my friend Ken, and we had just smoked a joint. He kind of passed out and put on this tape, it just completely changed my conception of music. I had just never heard anything like it, and it was absolutely everything that I wanted.
It had big, loud drums and basslines, and then they were kind of doing these reggae songs, but just so sweet-- splintering shards, like the way that the drummer would tease with the snare. Each snare hit was different; it'd be a rim shot, then a rim shot with delay, and then he'd hold it back and not do it at all. I'd never listened to music like that before. The tape ended, and I remember just feeling like, "Fuck! I just hope there's more of this on the other side". I turned it over, and it was the first New Age Steppers album. And that's almost as good, actually. It was a 90-minute tape I carried around for a long time after that.
Action Battlefield was definitely very post-punk. It's got Keith Levene on it, Neneh Cherry's on it, and Adrian Sherwood was the ringleader, the producer or something. That was a big influence on Out Hud. We looked at it as this collective thing at first, with Justin [Vandervolgen] at the head as the producer, and the group was just whoever would end up in the studio with him. We started playing live, so then that solidified the lineup of Out Hud, which was the people who were jamming the most with Justin in the studio.
That same trip, I remember we listened to Jimi Hendrix, the beginning of Electric Ladyland. We also listened to Last Poets. We listened to Nick Cave. We were huge on the Smiths on acid. That's when I came back to the Smiths again. Meat Is Murder-- that whole album was just huge to us. It was the early 90s, so we'd definitely listen to stuff like Cypress Hill, Beastie Boys, Butthole Surfers, Sonic Youth. That was where it all changed for me. On one acid trip, I'd just plugged in my stereo after moving it out of my roommate's place, not having used it. I plugged it in and opened the CD, and it was a CD that didn't have anything written on it; it was just a trippy design. I didn't know what it was, and I was just like, "Fuck it." I put it in, and it was [Sonic Youth's] Bad Moon Rising. I had never listened to that before, and that was like-- I mean, I listened to that like five times that trip. That was absolutely another life-changing moment.
Missy Elliott: Supa Dupa Fly
That album just loomed large for the next few years. We were just starting to listen to a lot of R&B radio, and Missy and Timbaland's songs would always poke out, like the first Aaliyah song, "If Your Girl Only Knew", and Ginuwine's "Pony". Then when this album came out, everybody was on there, and you're like, "Oh, this is Timbaland! So he's been the guy behind all this?" So everything came together. It's still in my top 10. When I listen to it, there's such an obvious creative connection between the two of them. The songs are so catchy, compounded with his beats. It just felt like he was in completely new territory. He had all these new things that he had to work with, and he was just playing in it, and he could do anything! It's one of those records where it's hard to explain to people now how fresh it sounded then, because a year after that, everything sounded like that.
The first time I heard Aaliyah's "One in a Million", I was reading and the radio was on. That drum'n'bass fill skittered across the speakers, and I was like, "What the fuck was that?" It sounded totally out of place on radio. And within a year, that's all it was. That was an exciting time. Even with the people who followed Timbaland, it was such a free, open territory, and everybody was finding new things in it. We were into leftfield stuff, but to have stuff like this be just on pop radio-- when we just wanted something avant-garde, all we had to do was turn on the radio! It was just totally exciting. And it was in these little pop gems. I loved pop as a kid, I loved it then, and I love it still. To me, it was such a perfect music. And it was the funkiest thing I had ever heard. At the time when I heard it, I was like, "She's gone further! This is funkier than James Brown!" That's sacrilege to say, but I think some people would agree with me.
The other thing that's hard to understand now is how, at the time, indie kids could only like hip-hop with a message. To like R&B or hip-hop that was about sex and money? It was kind of looked at as wrong if it didn't have a message. So it was a jump, and it was a step you had to take, but it was step that all of us were totally happy to take because we just loved it so much. It hit us right where we wanted it.
Supa Dupa Fly is actually one of the only albums I've ever got into because of a listening station. They always have this set-up, and you always check out a bunch of things, but I had never really liked anything. I was like, "Oh, Missy! I like that song 'The Rain'!" just listened to it, and each song as it was going through, I was like, "Oh my god! Oh my god!" Each song was there.
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We had been living in New York for a couple years. Tyler [Pope] and [Dan] Gorman moved out to New York first to find a house, and I remember Tyler calling me and saying, "Man, the thing here is disco. There's just so much of it! We haven't even scratched the surface of it." In Sacramento, we really loved Chic and Bohannon, and we always listened to the jammin' oldies station, but it's the same thing as album-oriented rock there. They have 50 songs that they play, and that's it. The Whispers, the Gap Band, whatever-- and you know all those songs inside out. And so when we came here, this whole new world of disco opened up. On the radio here, you could hear all the lost classics.
The album that synthesized a lot for us was Prelude Mastermixes. It's the KISS-FM album, and it's all mixes by Shep Pettibone, and it's got a bunch of our favorite favorites. Shep Pettibone's mixes combined the dub with the regular, so it was like dubbed-out but not too dubbed-out. But all those were seven-, eight-minute songs, and that's what we were all listening to at the time. It was all about the late night down in the basement with John [Pugh], smoking weed and playing disco 12" singles. It's more of a singles genre, so it wasn't so many albums, but this is a double-album collection that's my favorite of that kind of stuff.
Disco is kind of the strain of dance music that-- and maybe it's just the clubs or the parties that I go to-- but still, even if they can mix house and other stuff in, it is the dance music that stands for New York. And it does sound better here. If I'm on the way to Australia, I'm going to listen to the Go-Betweens. Wherever I am, I put on that music, to take me there or something.
Bon Iver: For Emma, Forever Ago
We had to carve out our own niche musically. We always wanted to be not listening to what our contemporaries were. We were really kind of stuck up about it in the 90s, too. It was hard to compare anything in indie to Missy and Timbaland, so we just thought indie was all bullshit. Hip-hop dried up a bit, and it seemed to me like the most exciting albums were coming out of indie, so I made my way back to it slowly through other records. For Emma is one of those albums that's had so much written about it at this point that I don't even like throwing my two cents in, but it was one of those records that just struck me to the core and still does. And I don't know why, either! I feel like [Justin Vernon] carries around very different things inside than I do, but it was that channeling of the straight root of the raw emotion that I responded to. Whatever happened to him with it, you felt like he was really touching that part of himself-- like that was honest.
I was reading something about it on the Internet and looked up his MySpace, and I was doing other things. It hit me the same way a lot of albums have hit me that same way in my life-- I hear it and it strikes me that this is kind of cool. It doesn't knock me out the first time, but I definitely recognize that there's something there. Its depth is immediately recognizable. In singer-songwriter stuff, there's not as much creativity in the sound of it; it's more about the songs and the lyrics. But I liked that he didn't see the rules of it. He's got the vocoder on, and you're not supposed to do that, but he didn't give a shit! I really liked that. That first song, with the vibrating strings or whatever that is-- it sounds like quarters on strings he's miced up or something. Right when that happens I was like, "Whoa, this is a bit different."
I've never met [Vernon]. I saw him play once. You know, everyone says that artists are supposed to make their music for live shows now, with the record industry slump. And I always say some of my favorite music is quiet, and I don't want to see it live. I like laptop guys. I don't want to go watch them play, but I like to listen to it at home. He was the one quiet guy that I went and saw and I was blown away. I thought his band was fantastic; they just breathed together so well. He did "Woods", and he had everybody singing along at the end. I was moved. He's not some belter or something. He could go off. But he's fully giving it, so he doesn't go off. I think he's a great singer.
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Chelsea interim manager Rafael Benitez has backtracked over his rant after the Middlesbrough game on Wednesday night as he took part in his first press conference since then.
Benitez did not apologise for his comments about the fans on Wednesday and insisted he still wanted them to back him and the team and said that he had no regrets about taking the role at Stamford Bridge.
But remarkably, Benitez said that his title of 'interim manager' is not a problem. This comes after he said on Wednesday that it was a "mistake".
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When asked about unrest at Stamford Bridge because of his remarks about the club's decision to make his title 'interim' manager he said: "I do not have any problem with the board, Michael Emenalo, Roman Abramovich, the players.
"Yesterday I was with Ron (Gourlay), today I was with Ron. He was saying it's a cold day and I was wearing shorts. We were joking.
"What I want to do is the best for the team, the best for the club.
"I have been for 26 years training and coaching and always I have had principles, respect and education.
"It's the way that I have achieved what I've achieved. We have 11 games to play. If we stick together, it will be easier and we can get more points.
"I would like to see a fantastic atmosphere supporting the team, and I will be really pleased with that."
Benitez refused to confirm if he had been spoken to by Roman Abramovich after his comments and said they were designed to get the fans to back the team instead of chant about him.
"The message was very clear. Together, it will be easier to win games to get points, to be in the top four, top three, or maybe top two,' he said.
"I can control what I say. I cannot control what some people write. I don't have any problem with anyone. With the owner, the board, the players, Emenalo, nothing."
Following Wednesday's FA Cup win at Middlesbrough, Benitez said the decision to appoint him as 'interim manager' was "a mistake", but has now said "it's not an issue".
"I said before... One thing's a mistake. Another's an issue. Now it's not an issue.
"In my head, I am the manager. I have to manage the team. The title doesn't matter. The Champions League is a big title. I just concentrate on my job. That's fine, okay."
On Wednesday Benitez said he would be leaving Chelsea at the end of the season and he re-confirmed this today.
Benitez said: "What I said is I finish my contract until the end and I do not want to be a distraction.
"What I want to say to everyone is that if they concentrate and support the team, it will be easier."
And he would not be drawn when asked if a 'special' boss was needed to follow him.
"That is not my business," he said, sternly.
Benitez risked the sack after his passionate rant but the club insisted yesterday that it was just another normal day.
The manager and his players reported to their Cobham training base as usual for a routine light session and sports massage to get Wednesday night's match out of their legs.
Chelsea made no mention of Benitez's rant on their official website despite it dominating yesterday's sports coverage.
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Julia Ann Nixon
Julia Ann Nixon of B'nai B'rith Apartments, Wilkes-Barre, and formerly of Slattery Street, Wilkes-Barre Township, passed away Tuesday, April 30, 2013, in Wilkes-Barre General Hospital.
Born Oct. 9, 1927, in Wilkes-Barre, she was a daughter of the late Benjamin and Mary Williams George.
Julia attended Laurel Run School.
She was employed for many years by TeleRadio Communications, Penn State Belt and Buckle; Silco Specialties, Wilkes-Barre Township; and RCA Corp., Mountain Top.
She was a member of Laurel Run Primitive Methodist Church.
She enjoyed crocheting and various crafts, and loved decorating for the holidays, especially Christmas.
She was preceded in death by her husband, John Edward Nixon Jr., on Nov. 29, 2010; granddaughter, Jennifer; brothers, Garfield, Edward and Benjamin George; and sisters, Elizabeth Welebob, Jane Stefanski, Martha Swartwood, Mary Heddismehr and Grace George.
Surviving are her daughters, Pamela Schoonover, Wilkes-Barre; and Kathy Flannery, Wilkes-Barre Township; sons, John and his wife, Phyllis, Wilkes-Barre Township; and David Nixon, Wilkes-Barre; grandchildren, Frank, Brian, Michael, Stephanie, Randy, Crystal, Kelly and Steven; and great-grandchildren, Sarah, Chelsea, Jarrett, Jessica, Lucas, Josh and Meghan.
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After being distracted last week by the "educated rooster," we return to our regularly scheduled programming… Today's retailers have to deal with the economy, fickle consumers, shoplifters and more, but probably not this: Microfilm of early editions was made from the old bound books, so that is most likely why the page is cut a […] [Read More]
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Asbestos Mastic
Good Evening,
Thank you in advance for your help. I'm completing a kitchen renovation in my 63 year-old home. When I removed the lower cabinets, I discovered some asbestos (I believe) tile. The tile wasn't in squares, but appeared to be in longer sheets (I put a pry bar under it and it all popped up in a single sheet). This tile/sheet was adhered to the hardwood floor under the cabinet and, after being removed, left a think black layer. Since some of this hardwood floor would be exposed in the new renovation, I took a sharp knife and scraped a small portion of the black layer away. I then hand sanded a small portion to get to the wood.
To my surprise, I learned tonight that asbestos can be found in mastic and am now very concerned that my sanding has caused a series problem. Fortunately, I only sanded roughly 1 square foot. Since some experts seem to post on this forum, I'm curious about the type of health damage I inflicted today. I realize sanding is probably the worst thing I could have done to the mastic now, but, since the area was small, should I have concerns or am I fretting needlessly? Thank you!
I wouldn't worry. You need long exposure at high levels to create a health risk.
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Here is a link that might be useful: OSHA: Asbestos Facts
Isn't it the white mastic that contains asbestos? I didn't think the black stuff did, but I could be wrong.
I know the feeling of lying awake at night and going "why did I do that?? How could I be so stupid??" but I think in this case you can congratulate yourself for having hand sanded. This limited the spread of dust. Now your task is to try to clean up as much of the dust as you can.
The basic principles of working with asbestos are working wet, and containment. So you could just wipe with damp rags/paper towels. I wouldn't do any vacuuming unless it's with a good vacuum cleaner with a hepafilter (we bought a Miele for an outrageous price last year and those "I wonder if this is asbestos" moments make it seem worthwhile - even if it doesn't catch it all, it will catch more than the 20-year-old Hoover did!). And be sure your vacuum outflow isn't positioned so as to blow the stuff around.
This is a reminder too to pretty much always work wearing a mask when you take stuff apart. You just never know what you're dealing with. As with the vacuum, even if it doesn't get it all, it's better than nothing.
Your exposure will really have been minimal in any case. Most of us probably have worse asbestos "oops" stories. For me, after living in my house for 18 years it's just dawned on me that the popcorn ceilings in the basement are probably asbestos (having them tested this week). We bump that ceiling and knock little bits off it all the time, and my husband has cut holes to run wires and stuff quite regularly. So far, no health impacts.
Asbestos is an issue because the fibers are small enough to go airborne and be inhaled but large enough to get stuck in your lungs. When that happens, your lung tissue can get inflamed and cause all sorts of health issues. Your body naturally will get rid of asbestos, but it is slow going. A 1 time exposure isn't going to cause noticeable irritation in an otherwise healthy person. It also isn't going to give you cancer. The serious side effects come when you get large amounts of this stuff in your lungs over a long period of time. It is kinda like smoking. One cigarette might make you cough, but it is the 2 pack a day habit that causes the real problems.
As for what to do, the most conservative approach would be to take the steps that an abatement company would. Basically, you air the place out and wipe it down. The pros would bring in high power ventilation systems, but you can just open windows on the far side of the house and put fans facing out in the kitchen windows. Then, you would follow up by using damp cloth to wipe down surfaces so the dust doesn't become airborne again. Swap out any air filters in your ventilation system so you don't accidentally recirculate any dust trapped in them. That would be complete overkill for the potential "danger" you described, but it would be a cheap and easy way to ease your mind if this is keeping you up at night.
I'm very cautious around asbestos-containing materials as I used to be involved as an environmental engineer with removals. Having said that, I think you should not worry about this particular situation too much:
1. It was a small area.
2. You don't know if it contains asbestos (although it is possible).
3. With asbestos-containing mastic, the actual asbestos content can be a relatively low percent.
4. You are already exposed to a small amount of asbestos every day as it floats around in the air as a background pollutant from many sources so it's not like this is the one exposure to asbestos that will give you cancer in 20-30 years.
5. Continuing to worry will not improve the situation.
So, take this as a valuable learning experience abut remodeling and, in the future, get suspect materials analyzed at a certified test lab before messing with them. If you have any dust from the sanding still around, don't vacuum (the particles go right through the filter of a regular vacuum and get re-suspended; instead, do a wipe with moist paper towels.
Now, if you fasten your seat belt when driving, look both ways when you cross the street, and quit smoking, you'll have greatly reduced the major risks in your life which are much more threatening than this little episode.
I wouldn't worry. You need long exposure at high levels to create a health risk.
"Long exposure" and "high levels" is pretty vague. Malcolm McLaren, the former manager for punk group the Sex Pistols, died last year of mesothelioma; his only known asbestos exposure was the ceiling panels he ripped out in his clothing store in London in the early/mid 1970s. Apparently he took them down, broke them into pieces and left them laying around for a few years as decoration--his goal was to make the shop look like a bomb had hit it.
So it's not like you have to spend your career in an asbestos factory to get mesothelioma. And black mastic can (but doesn't always) contain asbestos. But yeah, what Jryand described was minimal. That being said, the advice everyone has given on how to deal with that kitchen without breaking, dry-scraping or sanding any more asbestos is great. And also, Jryand, did you get the tile and mastic tested? Asbestos testing isn't expensive--for my floor mastic I was quoted $25 (I had a few pieces in a ziploc, they didn't have to come out and get it themselves)--and certainly worth it for the peace of mind.
"Long exposure" and "high levels" is pretty vague.
According to footnoted references in Wiki and WebMD, documented cases indicate exposure of as little as one-three months can result in the disease.
I'll trade with the OP.
In a five-plex I renovated with a partner in 1989, at one point he had the workers use handscrapers to remove sprayed-on asbestos from all the boiler pipes. I spent only a few minutes in the dust. But I was around that property for the next few months. Wonderful.
I'm bumping this thread to see about the best way to remove some mastic. It was used in the 60's to glue ceramic tile directly to plywood subfloor. The tile has been removed, and I had the mastic checked for asbestos. The report came back 2% asbestos content.
What is the best way to remove this mastic? It sands quite readily, but that seems a bad thing.
Although 2% is a fairly low level, I can guarantee you that sanding it is the most effective way to create a hazard, and that your local pollution control agency would not be happy if they found out that you removed it that way.
What do you intend to do with this floor next? Often the best approach is to adhere another substrate -- like 1/4" Hardiboard -- on top and not bother with further removal. If you don't want to raise the level of the floor at all, other than to put something like seamless vinyl down, there are bonding agents you could put on top of the remaining mastic.
Putting something over it poses no risk and presents no continuing hazard. How well Ditra would bond to the mastic is something I don't know about, so would refer you to that company for info. Something else, like a hardwood floor -- with or without additional underlayment -- is an easy solution.
The only other thing that I should mention is that, if this is a house, and the mastic stays in place, then you may have to disclose the presence of those asbestos-containing materials when you sell the place, even though it is only at 2%. This particular situation should not be a concern for any prospective buyer, but a few uninformed folks might be concerned, or try to use it as a bargaining point. If it were me, I'd leave it in place and put something over it as you described.
The discussions on this subject are voluminous in these forums.
A simple google search for asbestos containing linoleum or tile will lead you to "cutback" adhesive.
Here is the story;
An interesting discussion, linoleum, and possibly cut-back adhesive.
This product, as with all products containing asbestos as the binding agent only atain a "hazardos" status when they become "friable", iE airborne.
Since there was a lack of consistency, state to state, for the remediation of these products, encapsulation became the method of choice and so, many have been simply covered over with "safe" products, such as Hardie-backer.
The simple test that determines whether or not cut-back adhesive is present is to spill boiling water on an exposed area. If the water puddles, you have cut-back adhesive, if the adhesive melts, you do not.
The solution in the removal process is to keep the area moistened which will serve to prevent the binder from becoming friable.
There are also several products which work quite well for adhesive removal.
I've read about this and now I am so concerned about my health. I had lived in an old house, in a room (10x15ft)that had the tile taken off the floor looked just like that!! I was mastic floor, literally. I had lived there for almost ten years and the floor had never been fixed, There are still some tiles on the corners, but most of the floor in the room is mastic.Should I be worried about the asbestos expusure I have been through? How Can I fix the floor myself? Please help... In my case it was not just a small area and not for a short period of time. I mop the floor to try to get rid of the black stuff (mastic) it had faded away over time on some small areas...
I've read about this and now I am so concerned about my health. I had lived in an old house, in a room (10x15ft)that had the tile taken off the floor looked just like that!! I was mastic floor, literally. I had lived there for almost ten years and the floor had never been fixed, There are still some tiles on the corners, but most of the floor in the room is mastic.Should I be worried about the asbestos expusure I have been through? How Can I fix the floor myself? Please help... In my case it was not just a small area and not for a short period of time. I mop the floor to try to get rid of the black stuff (mastic) it had faded away over time on some small areas...