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January 17th, 2005, 05:17 AM #1
Indian SFF
To start off this forum, thought Id paste an article I wrote about the state of Indian SFF in English....
A long, long time ago, in a country far, far away from the dwellings of the ancestors of Isaac Asimov and J.R.R. Tolkien, ancient Indian wise men wrote about flying saucers, death-rays, hideous alien monsters and incredible machines, setting down tales of wonder and imagination in massive epics that still enthrall the world.
Our old tales are full of creatures and devices that make other epics all subsequent world literature, in fact - look like non-fiction. Add to that our vast, sprawling panorama of folktales old and new, and youll agree with me when I say that Indians are culturally geared towards a fondness for fantasy or science fiction under whatever guise it masquerades in its twenty-first century avatars, be it alternative history, space opera, magic realism, cyberpunk, steampunk, speculative fiction or my personal favourite, Weird Fiction.
Yet unlike in the west, where SFF (Science Fiction/Fantasy) literature has a huge market of its own and has achieved comparative literary legitimacy, in India SFF is still the far-outer-country cousin of Literature with a capital L a mindset that will take years to break. It doesnt matter how thought-provoking or insightful SF is, or that the fundamental questions that speculative fiction asks about the human condition are the same as that of any great literary work, or that SFF lit offers a huge, colourful playground in which to study the numerous quirks of the human race humans have ever faced at some level, say our self-styled lit-elite, SFF will always remain small-l, not-so-legit literature.
A great many SF writers have gone off into long tirades about the beauty of the genre how SF both reflects and inspires science, how Somnium, the first major western SF work, written by Johannes Kepler and published in 1634, is a landmark in world literature (it tells the story of a young Icelander who travels to the moon and is a response to discoveries about the earth made three decades previously by Copernicus.) In my opinion, SFF doesnt need a defence. Down the ages, Weird Fiction has catered to a variety of tastes all over the world; it has proven immensely popular, and will continue to be so long after its critics have been reincarnated as tapeworms.
What is undeniable, though, is that until very recently a combination of a largely conservative mindset amongst the people who decide which way Indian publishing is going and the tiny size of the market for Indian writing in English have meant that there is hardly any Indian speculative fiction in English of note which is criminal, given our countrys oceans of fabulous resources, mythical, historical and social.
When my first novel, The Simoqin Prophecies, was published in January this year by Penguin India, it marked a milestone (OK, more like an inchstone, but a stone nevertheless) in the story of Indian publishing in English. Its not very often that Indian publishers are willing to experiment, to stray from the conventional Great Indian Novel/Memoir/Exotic Guide path, and I was lucky that the market has matured enough for Penguin to give SFF publishing a shot, to decide that it was time for Weird Fiction to come out of the closet where it was lurking with miscellaneous monsters and rear its ugly head amidst the lofty heights where Indian Writers in English walk, converse, and eat steamed rice with lentil curry.
Which doesnt mean, of course, that my book was the first SFF novel an Indian writer has written in English it was just the first book that was marketed as an unabashed genre novel, that didnt need to be hidden under a cloak, and smuggled into Literatures halls. Indian SFF writing in English has actually been around for a while.
By restricting the field of discussion in English I am, of course, excluding a lot of fabulous Weird Fiction in (other) Indian languages in Bengali alone, the Upendrakishore-Sukumar-Satyajit Ray dynasty has given us a sparkling array of world-class speculative fiction, topped off by Satyajit Rays charming SF stories for children and any Bengali worth his fish will also tell you that Ray was the one who came up with the original idea we saw onscreen as Speilbergs ET. But were discussing English writing alone, where India has also produced the Worlds First SF Award-Winning SF Novel Which The Author Didnt Consider SF Amitav Ghoshs The Calcutta Chromosome, a fabulous, extensively researched and compelling tale about Ronald Ross malaria research that won Britains top SF award, the Arthur C. Clarke award, in 1997. I spoke to him at the launch of his new book (spoke is perhaps an overstatement, babbled like an incoherent fan-boy is more accurate) where I learned, to my infinite sorrow, that he doesnt plan to write more SF at the moment. Besides, he didnt think his award-winning effort was SF either. In an interview with Paul Kincaid in 1997, Ghosh said, I don't really think of The Calcutta Chromosome as being a genre novel. Science fiction tends to lie very squarely within the domain of the world's richer countries and it was a challenge, as an Indian writer, to write about science.
In any case, anything Amitav Ghosh writes is Literature. The same holds true for Indias other great SFF writer, Salman Rushdie and Im not just talking about magic realism being a very close stepbrother to genre SFF. Nearly all of Rushdies novels contain SFF elements, but his first novel, Grimus (1975), was straightforward genre fantasy, based on the 12th-century Sufi poem The Conference of Birds. Grimus is an anagram of the name 'Simurg', the omniscient bird of ancient Persian myth. Rushdies best fantasy so far is undoubtedly the wickedly funny Haroun and the Sea of Stories (1990) with its swashbuckling colourful landscape and tongue-in-cheek tributes to fantastical literature from Baghdad to Bengal.
An interesting case in the history of Indian SFF is that of Ashok Banker, author of the new seven-part Ramayana, which is being sold all over the world as genre fantasy, but, strangely enough, is being called a retelling of the epic, not SFF literature, in India. Banker, in his new avatar as a white-clad Hanuman-devotee, is the only Indian writer youll find discussed on international SFF websites. In India, though, hes launched his books saying hes treading in Valmikis footsteps. In either case, his books, which take the most incredibly material-rich epic in the world and add to it popular SF elements and monsters from well-known contemporary western writers, signal Indias first entry into the big-league international SFF publishing market. Hes currently working on a new-age Mahabharata, after which he plans to take on the take of Krishna as well.
Another big-advance Indian author, Ruchir Joshi, incorporated SF elements very effectively in The Last Jet-engine Laugh. And yet another Indian writer (well, hes British, but his father used to live in Kashmir once, so we are entitled to adopt him) who almost wrote SFF is Hari Kunzru. In a recent interview, he told me hes always been fascinated by alternate worlds and has always been a huge fantasy addict. Unfortunately for genre enthusiasts, he discovered early in life how to sell Literature to publishers for millions of pounds though he also told me, in the same interview, how his next novel would be a fantasy about an Amazonian tribe visited by men from outer space. I wouldnt start booking advance copies of this masterpiece if I were you, though, since hes never going to write it.
Following this impressive top order, theres me, with my little flag and trumpet, and a few others Manjula Padmanabhan writes SF, as do the Dynamic Duo who write under the pseudonym Kalpish Ratna. In fact, the other day I found this story by Kalpish Ratna about the issues faced by cloned incestuous lesbian twins in post-apocalyptic Bombay. Fabulous! And Vandana Singh, author of the charming childrens book Younguncle Comes to Town, has written for international magazines and aims to be an SF novelist. We havent all met in dark alleyways with fake lightsabers in our hands yet, but I suspect we will soon.
What is the future of Indian SFF? Search me, I dont know, but it can only be good. Sure, the scene now isnt too encouraging the market is tiny, the foreign publishing market for SFF is completely distinct from the mainstream literary ones where a lot of Indian writers are big names, and this new crop of Indian writers still needs to have their SFF published abroad to stand a chance of making a living from it. But things will definitely change for the better hopefully soon. We have writers of immense talent and stupendous imagination, an ever growing market, and a few editors and publishers who dare to innovate and give new genres a chance, no matter how boring the industry is in general. There are galaxies to be explored, and the first ships are already on their way.
Then again, are you going to take my word for it? After all, Im just a fantasist.
January 17th, 2005, 08:31 AM #2
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WOW! I just read the book details at Penguin India and I definately want to read the book.
Only problem is not sure If I can import it into Pakistan? The Indian price is very reasonable, I'll probably have to write to Penguin to inquire a way of shipping/costs here.
[They don't have a regional representative in Pakistan and they have 'em in Nepal and Sri-lanka]
January 17th, 2005, 12:51 PM #3
I wil certainly look up several of the books you mentioned. Thanks for the post! I always look forward to reading genre books from people of completely different backgrounds. it gives so much more richness to the SF/F experience that way.
January 17th, 2005, 05:22 PM #4
Hi Samit - thanks for that fascinating piece. Is your book available through Amazon? Your comments about magical realism also make me wonder about South American fantasy - I read part of an Argentinian (?) book once that was frankly wonderful, translated by Ursula Le Guin, and would like to know more about that as well. Do you see any links? And is SFF completely Anglocentric, from your point of view?
It's obvious, once you think about it, that Indian culture lends itself to speculative fiction. Suddenly I feel a little envious about all the riches you can draw upon. Sounds to me like you're at the beginning of something big!
January 17th, 2005, 11:19 PM #5
I had heard about the SF stuff written in ancient India, though not read any of it, it is some of the 'proof' used by those who think that aliens landed on earth a long time ago and were responsible for a lot of the unexplained ancient wonders (nazca lines, moving stones larger than we can move today ...).
I just checked. The book is listed on Amazon.com for release in the summer of 2005. I put it on my wish list so I won't forget when it comes out. It sounds interesting.
I have a book called The Ramayana by Aubrey Menen, who doesn't sound Indian, published in 1954. It is from my mother's collection, but I have not read it yet. I assume it must be a translation of the story/myth by some English person circa the 1950s.
I haven't read any Rushdie, but I have read The Calcutta Chromosome - was not all that impressed.
I have the first Banker book and will read it and the rest of the series when it goes into paper.
I actually have a good collection of books written about and set in India of various periods, but they are almost all from English or American authors. Some are from my mothers time and are older and therefore not PC: John Masters, but some are more modern: Leslie Forbes.
The history and culture of India is a rich setting in or out of the genre.
January 29th, 2005, 12:59 PM #6
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About 'The Simoqin Prophecies'
I've read Samit's book and I assure it is quite wonderful. I personally feel he was a little too ... influenced, shall we say, by other writers, but otherwise, the book is immaculate, detailed, and very well-written. I've submitted a review to this site, and let's see if it's accepted (it's my first, after all).
As for me, I am eagerly waiting for Samit's next book. Hurry up, will you?
My 2 paise on Indian SFF:
As long as SFF is regarded as fringe literature, growth is unsure. While we see writers assuring us that their book might 'look' like SFF but is, in fact, serious literature, no one will take SFF seriously. In fact, I get many raised eyebrows when I count Michael Moorcock among my favourite writers (but then, I get raised eyebrows as a matter of course).
The fact (and a sad one at that), is that if we are to encourage Indian SFF writers, we'll first have to increase the sales of western SFF writers, and get something on the shelves apart from Tolkien and Rowling. Then readers *might* get interested in excelletnt writers like Samit here.
Lastly, congratulations (and thanks) to Samit for his inspired use of Indian mythology in his book.
Keep writing, keep reading.
January 31st, 2005, 04:13 AM #7
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Hi Samit...(is that pronounced like "Sam-it"; I guess not!)...I checked on Amazon for your book SImoquin Prophecies. It says it will be out in April by Penguin Global. Is that a new publisher or an Indian publisher in the States? I've read the first Ramayana novel, Prince of Ayodha by Ashok Banker and it was pretty good. Am looking forward to the rest of the series. If your's is anything like it, I'm definitely going to grab it! I'm a new member, by the way, based on Colorado Springs, CO.
February 7th, 2005, 12:38 PM #8
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What a great article, Samit.
Being round this Forum gives me such a fantastic idea of the global network we belong to.
Indian Sf (or even Asian Sf!) is an area I know very little about; I'd heard of Ghosh, but not read his book. I knew that Arthur C Clarke lived in Sri Lanka these days. And a little about Salman Rushdie, but that was it.
It's great to hear that things are on the up. I'd be interested to hear what you think of Ian McDonald's River of Gods, which is up for the BSFA Awards this year, set in an India of the future. Such books can only raise the profile and show people the diversity of Indian culture, I hope.
In the same way but more fantasy based - any thoughts on Ashrok Banker's modern retelling of the Ramayana?
February 7th, 2005, 12:55 PM #9
Very interesting info. India is known for their fantasy fiction in the States, but as you say, it is published here as non-genre fantasy, as contemporary "ethnic" literature by non-genre imprints of the publishing houses. Rushdie, and other Indian writers are respected not so much for their fantasy elements, which are seen as a cultural preference, as for their literary prose styles. But the big determiner in Western publishing is which publisher publishes it, a genre publisher or not a genre publisher. The sf/f genre publishers in the U.S. don't necessarily have an interest in foreign fantasy that has no clear appeal to the genres' core fan audience.
I did not know that Indian writers were doing sf stories, though given that India is often in the forefront of technological advancement, this is a foolish assumption. While India certainly has the population to create and sustain a sf/f genre fan audience for Indian or English writing, however, it might not be in the writers' best interest to do so. The sf genre in the U.S. came out of sf magazines that appealed mostly to a market of young males and were considered the equivalent of comic books. Seeing a ready made audience, folks in the community started publishing sf novels for that same mostly male genre audience. SF stories were published outside of the genre, but the genre publishers putting out sf stories specifically for sf fans created a separate field, one that put out work in paperback because that's what the fans could afford and was, due to all these factors, labelled pop entertainment.
In the seventies, the sf genre publishers recognized that the same young people who grooved on Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" and the like were into Tolkein's LOTR and other fantasy tales. So they were the publishers who put out Tolkein in a paperback edition, let several writers who were doing fantasy-type stories in sf really produce fantasy stories and found new fantasy writers for yet another new market genre that specifically published for a fan audience. Because the new fantasy genre was published by the sf publishers for a mostly young male audience, and because the titles came out in paperback, it too was labelled pop entertainment and indistinguishable from sf. All works that are produced by the sf/f genre publishers are considered genre. Works that are published by non-genre publishers may be sold in the sf/f section of the bookstore, like Crichton's "Jurassic Park," but will be considered non-genre.
If sf and fantasy works remain in the mainstream in India, rather than being singled out as a separate category and marketed chiefly to a fan audience, it is more likely that such works will be considered literature, as you've seen. If a sf/f genre is created in the Indian market, it will be effective, it will be full of vitality, and it will be of great interest to the young, but it is unlikely that it will be respected. The mainstream respect that sf/f genres have managed to gather at all in the West has been very hard won, and due as much to successful movies, the influence of the children's market, and the force of high sales, as it has to changing social views.
If Indian writers' work is exported to the U.S. and reprinted by sf/f genre publishers, then India will be seen as having a genre market and that may result in a small group of genre publishers in India too. If Indian writers' work continues to be reprinted by non-genre publishers in the U.S. and Europe, then it will be seen as Indian literature or contemporary fiction, and it will be unknown to most Western sf/f fans who read only genre works from genre publishers. In some instances that may actually result in a larger Western audience. If Indian publishers decide that there is a sf/f fan audience in India that they want to go after, they may create genre imprints of their own and that would establish India in sf/f genre publishing, but such genre publishers would probably be seen as putting out commercial fiction, not literary fiction. SF/F fiction also may not be adored by some because it is either straying from fictional traditions in India or because it is seen as being too traditional, using elements that Indian fiction should have outgrown. In other words, there will always be critics, whether sf/f stories are genre or non-genre published.
I'm not entirely clear how Penguin India is selling and marketing your work, Samit, whether as a new genre or as simply another fiction title on their list, and I know nothing about the politics of English versus Indian language publishing in India. But if you want a sf/f genre in the market, if you want to identify and develop a fan audience specifically for sf/f fiction in India, then it will probably be up to the interested writers to mobolize and court that fan audience, with the publishers then reacting to the presence of this specific market. Conventions specifically for the genre, magazines specifically for the genre, websites based in India specifically for the genre and about Indian genre writers -- all these things may eventually lead to change. Interest from foreign sf/f genre publishers in the English language market may also lead to such change. Just be sure you want it, that you want to be outside the main body of general fiction, though. Because once you go genre, it's not so easy to go back.
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Really interesting comments, KatG. You make a really valid point about genre v/s non-genre writing. If I've understood correctly, Ashok Banker says (on his author forum Epicindia) that he doesn't really mind being called a Fantasy author as he loves the SFFH genre. But his publishers and readers take strong objections to it, so his UK publisher from the outset never labelled his books fantasy, and in fact they've recently revamped all the covers of his Ramayana books to make them more 'literary/mainstream'. In India, he says, his publishers insist on removing the "A work fo fiction" disclaimer because they were threatened by a lawsuit by irate readers who insisted the Ramayana is "not fiction". So often an author doesn't have a choice in the matter, it seems. Also on the same note, Banker's first book published in the US as a fantasy work, backfired badly. Though it was loved by Indian readers, it didn't go down as well with fantasy readers and critics who made nasty comments about the book's cultural differences from most Eurocentric/medievalistic fantasy series. They then wanted Banker to remove all Indian cultural references and names to make it more a typical fantasy series, and when he refused, it seems they decided to cancel the series. They could have opted for doing what the UK publishers did, as the book had sold reasonably well already, but apparently they had cultural differences with the contents as well--the editor was apparently unhappy about references to the religious/moral vedic philosophy and wanted it to be sanitised. Ironically, the UK publishers, part of the same mega-group, is now releasing the UK editions in the USA through the same distribution network!
So as of now, though Banker himself veers more towards the fantasy side, his books are being published as mainstream and are doing apparently very well for it. Maybe it isn't always in the author's control what labels publishers put on books. Besides publishers often get things badly wrong: Robert Silverberg's fine novel The Lord of Light is repeatedly attributed to Hindu philosophy. But from my own knowledge of Buddhist lore, I can authoritatively say that its based on Buddhist myth and lore, not Hinduism!
What's your experience been like with US publishers so far? Have they seemed xenophobic at all?
February 8th, 2005, 12:50 AM #11
KatG - thanks for that fabulous post. will post a proper reply soon as i get this tribal areas travel story done
February 8th, 2005, 06:12 AM #12Originally Posted by prohasta
What is the name of this first book ? Are you talking about Prince of Ayodhya , or a different book ? I looked on Amazon and it lists only a couple of books by him, or 590 possible books - and I don't have the patience to wade through that many.
February 8th, 2005, 12:45 PM #13Originally Posted by prohasta
I'm not sure why then they would try to put it out with a genre publisher in the U.S. Maybe it was an experiment. I'm guessing Banker's work was seen as epic fantasy. If it fell into the urban/contemporary fantasy sub-genre, there would have probably been more receptivity. But fantasy as a genre is at most 40 years old, and epic fantasy, its main sub-genre, has been slow to move away from a British medieval framework in that time. While many epic fantasy novels use cultures that are Arab, Indian or African in their fantasy realms, the central culture is usually British-based, a la Tolkein. It may be that one of the main draws for epic fantasy with fans is its familiarity and the comfort of that familiarity, using the framework of the British/Western legends and fairy-tales, which are so well known in the English language countries.
Nonetheless, there has long been griping that epic fantasy needs to expand into other cultural realities and try different strategies, and so I'm saddened to hear that such a work was then criticized in the genre for doing so. Saddened, but not entirely surprised. As general fiction, exported to the U.S. from the U.K. from an Indian writer, Banker may have a lot more success because that market is established, whereas in the genre market, they have to work up to it, not out of xenophobia, but because the fantasy genre and fantasy fans are still figuring out what they want the genre to be. SF went through something of the same process way back when it moved from pure space adventure and alien invasion fiction to a wider range of stories, and it is still trying to develop that variety, especially in terms of multiculturism. At least they tried to interest genre fans. A few years down the road, such a work might become much more welcomed in the genre. And in general fiction, there is a definite market for it.
And no, it isn't really in the author's control about what goes on the cover and how it is marketed, though kicking and screaming by an author does often produce results. And an author can usually control which type of publishing imprint puts out the work by selling the initial rights and the foreign print rights to specific publishers. An author can pick whether to be non-genre or genre in a market where the genre exists. But if his U.K. publisher had U.S. sub rights and decided to market to U.S. genre publishers for that territory, then Banker might have had little say in it. That's assuming it wasn't Banker's agent who sold the U.S. rights to the genre publisher. Hard to know. Anyway, ten years from now, "Ramayana" and Samit's book may be beloved by fantasy fans. Remember, only twenty years ago, most of the U.S. genre audience was white and male. It changes, if sometimes slower than we'd like, but the Net has helped speed it up a bit. I wouldn't be that surprised to see a genre market develop in India, but I also wouldn't be surprised if a genre market did not develop, as non-American countries tend to be less interested in specializing markets for fiction than the U.S.
February 9th, 2005, 03:18 AM #14
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Thanks for that excellent post, KatG. I can see you really know your stuff, and love your reading!
The title of the Ashok K. Banker book I was referring to, for those who asked, was Prince of Ayodhya.
I think there are two ways to look at books like Ashok's (or Samit's):
A. As Indian stories retold in a manner that appeals to modern readers, both Indian as well as international--I'd include most mainstream/literary Indian writers here, incl. Salman Rushdie, Vikram Seth, Arundhati Roy, Vikram Chandra, Rohinton Mistry, etc. These stories (like Rushdie's, Roy's and Chandra's) may have strong elements of SFF but are nevertheless marketed as general/literary fiction.
Or there's a second group of books/writers marketed as
B. As genre stories aimed at specific audiences in each country. Such as Prince of Ayodhya which was marketed to epic fantasy readers in the US as a big new commercial fantasy based on the Sanskrit/Indian epic Ramayana.
The problem with the (B) approach is that it doesn't really work. Or, it works so long as the primary story and characters are recognizable genre tropes and staples, with a flavouring and seasoning of ethnic spices. It fails if you make the ethnic spice the main course and just add genre elements as flavouring. So if you look at books like Robert Jordan's WoT series, which have strong elements of Hindu philosophy (the very wheel of time itself is at the core of Hindu creationist belief), they work because these elements are only exotic new elements in a more or less traditional Tolkienistic tale. But when you try to package Banker's Ramayana as an epic fantasy for western readers, it doesn't work, because then they ask, and have every right to ask, where are the epic fantasy staples we're used to? Even one of the finest epic fantasies today, George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire after all began as a thinly veiled retelling of the Wars of the Roses of medieval Europe. The dragon storyline in exotic Eastern lands is very much a subplot and while I, for one, love it, many readers find it an intrusion. Which is ironic because it's probably the most original addition that Martin gave to an otherwise quite straightforward but brilliant retelling!
Banker's UK publishers didn't start out marketing his work as mainstream. They launched him as a major new fantasy author who happened to be Indian. Big mistake again. Now that they've found his readers happen to be largely Indian, with the occasional non-Indian fantasy fan who really does want something genuinely different, they've completely revamped the covers and formats of the books and are relaunching them. The mistake wasn't just their's, it was the author's as well. Sometimes, an author is the least suitable person to judge his own work and so it was that Banker failed to realize that he was in fact retelling the Ramayana imaginatively for modern readers, and NOT creating a new epic fantasy that only used flavourings from Indian myth. So I'd argue that Banker's Ramayana is not fantasy at all. Nor is it literary. He quite unabashedly sets out to tell a great story and entertain you hugely, and succeeds admirably at both. He's effectively created a new genre: Indian epic fiction. Which, I guess, is why his site is called www.epicindia.com
Basu's book, Simoquin Prophecies, on the other hand, is entirely an Indian rift on Indian myth + western genre tropes. Basu is consciously paying homage to SFF tropes and using them playfully. But in using Indian elements, he's essentially talking to other Indian SFF fans like himself. It's what's called "fan fic" rather than SFF (or the derogatory "sci-fi" which the cover blurb uses) and as such, it's very enjoyable. But its primary readership is always going to be just Indian SFF fans, which, as you rightly pointed out KatG, might or might not be a large enough base to sustain a publishing program.
February 9th, 2005, 08:40 AM #15
Knowledgable about English language publishing yes, but obviously not about Indian literature.
About the Western market, you're right and you're wrong, I think. You're wrong when it comes to sf and non-epic fantasy, though non-Western themes still need encouragement there. You're right about epic fantasy, but it's changing. And a lot of the change may need to come from American and British genre fantasy writers doing stories without the British-centered focus. Enough of those and some doing well, and everybody jumps on the bandwagon, opening the way for foreign writers. But change may also come from exporting foreign writers. If genre publishers remain willing to experiment, even if some of those experiments fail, it will change things, and with epic fantasy sales figures dropping for many, experimentation may be an option they chose. Right now, it's the Australian epic fantasy authors being exported as the hot trend. I can conceive of a time when Asian fantasy or other areas may become the new source for export titles. More epic fantasy authors are also sneaking stories into the Renaissance period, moving away from the medieval. Fantasy is old, old, ancient. Genre fantasy is young, young, young. It's not going to stay exactly the same forever. And globalization -- in music, film, and other mediums -- has an effect on it. The U.S. interest in Bollywood, for example, may or may not have an impact.
As for India itself, I simply don't know enough about the culture to know if a genre publishing program is possible or not. But it may be someday.


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J.R. Smith, who had 30 points off the bench in his previous three games, finished with 15 points and 12 rebounds.
Jeff Green scored 27 points, and Paul Pierce had 24 points and 15 rebounds as the Celtics had a two-game winning streak snapped.
"We just didn't close out to their shooters," Pierce said. "We pretty much gave them everything they wanted. We opened up their shooters, we opened up their drives (and) we fouled them too much. I don't even know how to explain it. They just beat us to the punch."
Pierce turned his ankle in the first quarter and could sit out the Celtics' game at Minnesota on Monday.
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"It's just a little sore," Pierce said. "I turned it in the first quarter. It shouldn't be a problem."
After noting that Pierce had said he was fine, Celtics coach Doc Rivers said, "We're going to give him a rest, we're going to sit him games, for sure. Very soon."
Pressed on if that meant Monday's game, Rivers answered, "Probably."
New York opened a 4 ½-game lead over Brooklyn atop the Atlantic and dropped the Celtics to 8 ½ games back and the brink of elimination in the division race. Boston has won all five division titles since acquiring Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen in the summer of 2007.
The Knicks, who won by 15 in Boston on Tuesday, haven't won a division title since the 1993-94 season, but a 12-6 March -- their most wins in that month since going 14-0 in that last division championship season -- has them on track.
"We all knew it was going to be a tough month and we're playing like we're trying to get something accomplished and that's winning our division and trying to secure that second spot," Woodson said.
The Knicks played their 10th straight game without Tyson Chandler, who has a bulging disk in his neck and hopes to return Tuesday. They flourished using a variety of small lineups, taking advantage of a Celtics team that has no inside presence, either, with Garnett continuing to rest a sore left ankle.
They believe a playoff meeting would be different with Garnett back. Boston swept New York in the first round in 2011.
"I feel like when we're healthy we can compete with anybody," Green said. "We can't get down on ourselves thinking that just because they beat us the last couple of times, that if we play them again that we have no chance. We have a chance on it, whoever we match up against."
Smith had averaged 26.4 points during the winning streak but shot just 4 of 12 Sunday. Still, New York controlled the game from early in the second quarter in the opener of a five-game stretch against likely playoff teams.
The Knicks shot 52 percent in the first quarter, got 12 points from Anthony and led 28-23. They opened it up with eight straight points early in the second to take a 42-32 lead on Steve Novak's 3-pointer. The Celtics trimmed the deficit to single digits just once in the half, which ended spectacularly when Felton threw in a buzzer-beater from just beyond half court to make it 65-48.
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Knicks F Kenyon Martin sat out the latter part of the first half with a strained left abdominal muscle but returned to start the second. He threw up an airball on a third-quarter free throw but made the second, and sat out the fourth with the Knicks comfortably ahead. He insisted he could have returned. ... The Knicks also won eight in a row in the 1994-95 season. The last time they had a longer streak was a 15-game run late in the 1993-94 season.Information from ESPNBoston.com's Chris Forsberg and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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MVP: Carmelo Anthony. Nothing spectacular (24 points on 19 shots to go along with 10 rebounds), but Melo's steady hand underscored a balanced Bocker attack -- a nice mix of smooth jumpers and determined takes to the tin.
X factor. 3-point shooting. The Knicks once again used a barrage of treys (14-for-26 on the night) to keep their opponent playing catch-up. 'Twas an equal-opportunity effort as well, with seven Knicks connecting from deep.
That was ... the first time the Knicks have taken a season series from the Celtics since, like, the Clinton Administration. Still, this short-handed squad likely won't be the one the Knicks face in a prospective playoff series. Enjoy, but beware.
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Victim was operating a motorized scooter
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If your driving skillset doesn't include seeing the people with whom you share the streets, please stay home, take the bus or have someone who is a qualified driver haul you around! The rest of us are unwilling to place ourselves and our families at risk just so you can blindly and stupidly tool around in your souped-up old hot rod.
That "scoop" looks alot taller than 4"?
That would be sad if that's why he was unable to see the lady in the cross walk.
Regardless, a motorist vs. an electric scooter is a patently unfair fight. I maintain my position that the hawk-eyed Mr. Christie should have yielded for Ms. Warren regardless of her right-of-way--especially in a heavily-populated-with-pedestrians-area like Third and Baker. If Warren was jaywalking, then she clearly is partially at fault. But the bulk of the blame should rest squarely upon the shoulders of Christie.
When a driver is issued a driving license, there is an assumed minimal level of competence attached to that. One would hope this includes the ability to see the other folks on the streets.
The other day, I drove to work in downtown McMinnville, following a woman who stopped her car at every intersection. Every freaking intersection. Was the light green? Yes, but she felt it was safer to stop and then very hesitantly proceed across the intersection. If cross traffic had a stop sign and we didn't, she stopped anyway. When she turned right, she stopped, regardless of any traffic control device anywhere. In twenty-or-so blocks, she stopped 16 times. She was legally required to stop exactly three times.
Two weeks ago, I was behind another driver who was absolutely terrified of any opposing traffic. When we crossed Baker Street eastbound on Second, she proceeded across the intersection and--you guessed it!--stopped behind a pesky parked car in front of the city hall. She drove half-in and half-out of the parking lane and whenever there was a parked car blocking her way, we stopped until there was no opposing traffic in sight.
My point: why do we allow people who are clearly incompetent to get behind the wheel and endanger the entire community?
And a woman lost her life. Her life! I can't imagine a situation more deserving of finger-pointing.
Oh.....on a side note, I still can't locate this parking zone in front of City Hall for eastbound traffic on 2nd Street between Baker and Cowls. You know, where you claim you encountered a parked car in front of City Hall. They must have anticipated your rant was a comin,,, and conveniently had that parking zone removed and the curb painted yellow before the city could be made to look a fool. Good Job Public Works!!!
I do not EVER hold it against anyone when they exercise intelligent caution when driving. On the contrary, I've been trying to state that drivers should do exactly that. What I do find problematic, however, is the ridiculous level of "caution" demonstrated by both drivers I used as examples above. Those behaviors are not "cautious," they're absurd and dangerous. When a driver stops unexpectedly and for no reason, it creates an abrupt hazard for everyone behind him or her. (See ORS 811.130 Impeding Traffic.) Likewise, an inattentive and careless driver is far more likely to cause serious injury and death than a driver who is alert and intelligently careful. These are all competence issues.
My complaint is against the general incompetency we allow on our streets. Am I qualified to judge whether or not a driver is competent? Of course not (although I am entitled to form opinions based on observations). Once more, in this situation, a woman paid for a simple and accidental mistake with her life. Perhaps we can use this event to reexamine what constitutes the minimum level of driver competence we allow.
Even though I did express myself in rather blunt terms, I also feel badly for Mr. Christie. I'm certain he meant no harm and I do not wish to disparage his moral character. My focus is purely on driving skills.
I apologize if I've offended either of you but I stand by my points. But I most definitely could have expressed myself in politer terms.
I apologize for the offense that I have caused.
but around town in your prius or smart car , or what ever piece of crap works for you, just shut up and keep "your" incompetent actions and comments to yourself. apparently you have not seen the Drag the gut festival in town to see just how many locals blindly and stupidly own and drive their stupid souped up hot rods!!
would also like add that hood scoops and altered suspensions does not make them any less safe than a stock car, some times it is a great improvement.


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All signs point to Tungsten/VMWare having an internal DirectDraw/Direct3D state tracker already, but they haven't confirmed this.
Mesa's core has already been adapted into a state tracker for OpenGL 1.0-2.1 support. A few developers (mostly idr and osiris) have been submitting patches for various extensions belonging to OpenGL 3.x. Fortunately, it looks like we're not too far behind the ball this time; the important stuff, like FBO handling changes, will be really easy to adapt to, since we're using real memory managers on the Gallium drivers.
I seem to recall zackr mentioning that somebody was working on an OpenCL Gallium state tracker. Also, the preferred video decoding interface would be VDPAU; supporting it or either of the other two advanced video APIs (VA-API, XvBA) will require augmenting g3dvl with a true pipeline. (If you're serious about this, ping me and ymanton on IRC. #nouveau or #dri-devel.)
Regarding writing Gallium code... There's really no way around reading the code, but I'll give you a few places to start. Read the headers in src/gallium/include/pipe/p_*.h. The main class of drivers is pipe_context, which contains a few dozen methods for setting state and issuing draw commands. There's also pipe_screen, which contains things like the capabilities of the card you're on, and buffer management.
If you're writing a driver, you'll probably fill out your pipe_screen, and then your pipe_context, and most of the code you write will be for managing the state connected to the pipe_context.
If you're writing a state tracker, you'll want to get a pipe_screen and pipe_context, and then send drawing commands to it, while interfacing with your frontend.
The API is constantly shifting bit by bit to be more sane, but all drivers and state trackers that are in-tree enjoy maintenance and testing on a semi-regular basis, just like the kernel, so it's really not that bad. (I don't know anybody actually using the Cell driver except for the occasional guy on the mailing list, but it still receives updates and API fixes.)
Again, if you're serious about writing code, come into #dri-devel; we're more than happy to help you start understanding the code. :3
As in, something that's easy to wrap up with VMWare virtualization products later on to get a code path without OpenGL in-between there. Would be a good thing in any case.
There is something i do not quite understand in this matrix. I thought the aim of Gallium was to write only one driver per pipe and once this driver written, all state trackers would work automatically, unlike current mesa in which you have to rewrite all the stacks in each driver. So why is it that the completion state for each state tracker depends on the pipe? It looks like we are losing the advantage of gallium but i must be misunderstanding something. I would appreciate if someone could explain me where i am wrong. Many thanks!
If that's the case, perhaps it would be more clear to just color the titles, and then just set X once the GPU have Gallium support and the particular state tracker have been written.


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