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We apologize for this, we are working to address the situation. Thank you for your patience Thank You BCGA Executive Forum FAQ Search Log in to check your private messages Login IntegrityIf you have questions/comments about geocaching in general or anything that doesn't fit anywhere else, post them here. Forum Index » General View previous topic :: View next topic Author Message IRLPGUYJoined: Mar 01, 2007Posts: 174 Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: Integrity Integrity: I want to bring to the attention of the local caching community a cache owner who has a "parking lot" cache. When I logged this cache for the FTF I sent an email to the owner suggesting the cache was on private property and if he did not have permission, he might want to seek it, as this was not allowed. This cache was the owners first or second cache placement. We have become friends and last night I emailed him and asked that he call me on the telephone to discuss his cache. He called me almost immediately and we discussed what he should do, we discussed moving it, or archiving it, since the move would be more complicated than simply archiving the cache, he decided he would just archive it. The cache has been logged 25 times. Since solonm knew I was going to contact the owner there was no need for her to also contact him, so "almost" all others ignored the fact this cache was likely not in compliance with Groundspeak rules. I have asked the owner to hold off archiving his cache and I will accompany him, and see if he can get permission to have it remain where it is. This young fellow attended the recent geocaching 101 event in Chilliwack and I am sure he left with a better understanding of the whole concept of geocaching. This folks is an owner and geocacher who shows maturity beyond his years, and is one we should all be proud of, because The Designator is only 14 years old. I say good for you my friend. Back to top CAMOKELLYJoined: Mar 24, 2008Posts: 482Location: Abbotsford BC Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Great Post. I for one could have learned from this young man in the past. I'm sure there are others who could too. You see I just past my 1 year anniversary of caching out here in the Valley and with spring approaching thought that I would review my 28 caches placed since starting this game. With my first winter of caching behind me I wondered how they all had faired with this nasty weather we've been having. Some fared well others not so well. Standing near each one I examined the area around them to see what if any damage has been done to the area. Most changed the area very little, however a few I can honestly say I regret the spot I chose. My poor location choice quite often was due to not thinking about all the seasonal changes we go through in a year. An area that fits perfectly for a cache in the middle of summer can change quite significantly during the winter. The same can be said for the opposite. There have been quite a few new caches placed this winter that as I look at them I know without a doubt will be nearly impossible to get to come this spring and early summer. The hiders simply did not take into account the growth of Brambles and Vines that will take over the area in the warmer months. You see a clear dry field in the summer can turn into a soggy, muddy mess when cached upon in the winter. A frozen hard and barren tree grove in the winter will become laden with flower and foliage in the summer and when cachers go into these areas well you can imagine the damage that can occur over time. The question however still remains how do we properly assess an area before we place a cache? How do we properly educate new cachers on the same? One way is through awareness events, another is through caching time put in to learn the lesson the hard way like I did. However if the cacher is not willing to care about how the placement will affect the area well then there lies a bigger problem to deal with. Just recently I read a blurb in the monthly newsletter we get from Groundspeak on the importance of cache maintenance. That is when I decided to check on my caches, drying them out, replacing full log books, and surveying for damage to the area. Like I said earlier I have started to remove my less desirable caches archiving them in the process. Now that I have a better understanding of the effects caching can have to an area I hope my next location choice will be an educated one and one I can truly be proud of. I only hope this message might encourage others to do the same. Looking back I now realise that being new I was all too excited when I found my first few caches and even more excited to hide my own to experience others finding them. In all that excitement I realise some of my choices were not the best ones. Now that I have a few caches behind me I see new cachers and their excitement doing the same. Unfortunately I also see the mistakes they are making like I did. So how do we show them their mistakes and do it in a way as to educate them rather than anger them. Ultimately it is their responsibility on placing and maintaining any caches they have, but we all need to learn to accept concerns voiced by others and to voice our own concerns when we have them. This is the only way we are going to be able to keep our sport as free and unregulated as it is today or face the consequences of regulations from other less desirable groups such as the government. Back to top boomerangpapaJoined: Apr 25, 2006Posts: 196Location: Ashcroft, BC Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Now this is how the forums should run! Bravo to both of you for taking the higher road and bringing up a problem the right way so that we can all deal with it in our day to day caching. I agree that sometimes when we put out a cache we might not think about all the possibilities of damage that might occur to an area be it because of seasons or otherwise. I think if everyone voiced their concern about an "offensive" cache (being one that might be in a bad location due to possible damage etc) to the cache owner in a non-threatening, concerned way that we could all work together to keep this sport as positive and regulation free as possible. Because in the end, we are all out there to have fun and to create fun for others...lets keep it that way! Back to top HwyGuyJoined: Oct 25, 2005Posts: 129Location: Langley BC Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Well stated Kelly!! If the geocaching community could all have this attitude, in the future, we will not be required to have meetings with Municipalities regarding caching in their parks. This idea of responsibility is what the Executive of the BCGA should be promoting to the cache owners. Unfortunately the Executive has been - in my opinion - quite restrained in their comments on this topic. The last "flare up" between cachers on this very topic was ended by the Executive and then removed from the Forums. Is that the way to deal with the topic - to hide it?? I saw that the "war of words" was starting to take on an unpleasant note but the discussion was very pertinent in today's cache hiding. One thing I took from that "now archived" discussion is that not all cachers believe that after 15 people have found a cache that there should be no indication any have been there. This is what caching is supposed to be. It appears there are a number of us who are willing to disregard any rules, regulations, authority or general common sense just to place a cache in any spot these individuals decide they wish to. The defense that there are other caches "just like it" doesn't hold much water to me. Be a leader, show some self control and do exactly what Kelly has indicated - think ahead. There is no shame in admitting your "greatest cache in the world" isn't placed in the most ideal location. The cache hider needs to be able to get an email from someone about possible problems without being offended. The couple of times I have taken this route, I met a brick wall so I do not hold out much hope for that naive solution. Whether someone belongs to the BCGA or not - if we are to be "self-policing" - the caching community needs to have a way of getting mtn-man to archive the offending caches. This should NOT be the decision of just one cacher but the group as a whole. Will this stop poorly placed caches - No! Will it reduce the time these caches are potentially damaging the surrounding area - I hope so. The Executive should be leading this parade - not hiding behind the tubas. Perhaps before mtn-man approves a cache from someone in BC, the cache placer should be required to have read and signed off on the regulations or taken a seminar given by the BCGA so the potential problems are pointed out. Education is the key as I don't believe anyone places a cache with the intention of causing a problem. Now - what are WE going to do about it?? Back to top boomerangpapaJoined: Apr 25, 2006Posts: 196Location: Ashcroft, BC Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity HwyGuy wrote: The last "flare up" between cachers on this very topic was ended by the Executive and then removed from the Forums. Is that the way to deal with the topic - to hide it?? I saw that the "war of words" was starting to take on an unpleasant note but the discussion was very pertinent in today's cache hiding. The reason why the last topic was removed was that it ended up being more destructive conversation as opposed to constructive criticism. The BCGA does not condone this type of behavior and therefore there is no room on these forums for such bashing. The BCGA has no problem when people voice different opinions on a topic but the manner in which things are portrayed can lead the conversation on a path that is less than productive. As you see, this topic itself deals with the same topic as before but in a much more constructive manner. The BCGA feels that we should all lead with respect and integrity when on the forums and in the caching community. We also will look into giving more education during BCGA related events on cache placement and its impact on the area (as there should be none!) We all choose to play this game so lets work on our sportsman-like conduct shall we! Back to top geo_canuck77Joined: Mar 10, 2009Posts: 39 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Since most of this discussion was started by my post and a issue with my cache I would like to say something. I am new to geo caching, and the thought of hiding well hidden caches that people have troubles finding sounded fun to me. And hey still is! After reading the posts from the Surrey meetings and also the great post from TESKELLY I see where some people are coming from and realize that it's more than that. If someone goes and finds a micro in the woods and thinks it's cool, than the chances are they may do the same, soon enough we run into the problems that Surrey is faced with now. Really I did the same, I found some cool tough hides in the woods and thought how can I top that! I have already started to review my caches that I have set out and will continue to go through them. I plan to make sure that they not only abide by the rules but will leave as much minimal damage to the area as possible, this might be as simple as leaving a better hint or saying that there is no need to go in a certain area to find it. Its no secret that I've been having issues with a local cacher and I'm sure he only wanted what was best for the game. But has unfortunately escalated beyond that. People take criticism and read emails differently. For example: I read the comment in quotes below and is he saying I'm not a leader and have no self control? I know you are saying this in general(I hope!) but, someone could easily take it that way. "The defense that there are other caches "just like it" doesn't hold much water to me. Be a leader, show some self control and do exactly what Kelly has indicated" Everyone who is wanting to help other cachers out, or are going to make a comment need to really think about how they word what you are saying, and also make sure you aren't over stepping any lines. If a new cacher gets the wrong vibe from someone that may give them a negative feeling towards the game. My personal feelings to the question TESKELLY asked "What are we going to do" because of what I've been through is....I would rather see someone from the BCGA review a cache if needed, I don't think(i know) it goes over well another cacher trying to tell you that your cache isn't placed properly. If someone has an issue with a cache let the rep in their area know this way no tension is caused between cachers, everything can be confidential. I'm sorry for bringing my problems to this Forum(and this long post), but in a way I'm glad I did, I've been inspired a bit. Hope to meet some of you soon, I'm guessing most will be in Tulameen so I will see some of you then. Back to top Mach2003deadJoined: Nov 14, 2006Posts: 263Location: x Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Nice post, geo_canuck77. There is a lot of communication information missing in an email or forum post. We humans use body language and verbal tone more than words in our communication. You brought up a good point in recommending careful reading of what you type before you send it. Geocaching.com makes the rules to list caches on their site, not the BCGA. I don't think that I would want to have the responsibility to review all cache placements, even in a small area near where I live. I am a cacher, not a cop. This would effectively take away from the fun in caching for me. I do email cache owners with private comments when I see something that may be a problem. Some local cachers contact me to ask for advice before and after they place caches. In general the BCGA encourages cachers to follow a leave no trace creed, and the current board will do more along this road, but in the end cachers themselves are best able to help out others in hiding great caches, and leaving no impact. If anyone sees a note from another cacher try and see it as friendly advise, instead of a complaint, no matter how it is worded. If you find the need to send someone a note about their cache, try your best to be helpful and not critical. Albert Mach2003, BCGA Director. Back to top boomerangpapaJoined: Apr 25, 2006Posts: 196Location: Ashcroft, BC Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Look forward to meeting you at the Tulameen event geo_canuck77! Back to top BestredJoined: Jul 08, 2008Posts: 280Location: Abbotsford, BC Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Well stated TESKELLY and Geo-Canuck I am not sure if anyone has seen my 'Cache Placement' post but it is along the same lines. When placing a cache, you want to think...think about what other cachers are going to say about the cache. If you feel they are going to have a problem with it, then they probably are. I understand that not everyone is up for being a 'caching cop', but if there were a couple people from the general areas who would volunteer to be available to those who have questions about placing a cache, I think that would be wonderful. If there is someone just starting out and is placing a cache but is not too sure about it, the volunteer could go with them, and help them out. Why make this game a hard one. The more we work together, the more fun it is for everyone. I do agree with HWYguy...I would like to see the BCGA participate more in the forums and discussions. Not just one or two, but the whole. I understand life is busy, but to see more participation on the boards would be wonderful. It would also help those who don't have a 'clue' who the BCGA is, get to 'know' you more as well. The BCGA's opinion is valued, so please, have your say _________________ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN...not Kelly's, he has his own - ask him. Back to top gearheddJoined: Feb 16, 2007Posts: 124 Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Good Post! I believe the BCGA board members are not geo police, and are here to organize, facilate, incourage ...but not police. To put all the blame on cache owners for damage is crazy as well, they may have made the first mistake, but they never told anyone to trample over plants. Everyone is responsible for their actions or their part of the problem. These kind of caches can still be found without damage, had cachers respected the area, the owner would have saw cachers in the area, but should have found they did no damage, ask what they are doing, and then may have asked for its removal without being agry. And came up with a better location he would be OK with. Now with this statement I'm not pointing any fingers, to suggest that a cacher that has over 1000 finds or 50 hides, is better then a newbie is also crazy. It all come down to each individual and the way they cache. eg: 1) the dog owner that doesn't pick up after their dog 2) the dog owner that does but then trows bag in bush 3) the responsible dog owner how throws it into the trash 4) the owner whp picks up after any dog 5) the guy with no dog how picks up after someones dog Anyone can be a 4-5, it doesn't take a pro. But I would agree to get advice from someone with more experience under their belt. Back to top SOLONMJoined: Apr 12, 2008Posts: 125 Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Integrity is defined in Wikipedia as: "consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations and outcome." "It may be seen as the quality of having a sense of honesty and truthfulness in regard to the motivations for one's actions." We use the word integrity (or the lack of) to qualify the merits (and shortcomings) of everything from buildings, to art, science and both the morals and ethics of an individual, business and society. We are not born with integrity. Developmentally it is an awareness we hopefully absorb in late adolescence as we move into adulthood. "If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would YOU??" We have all had that one thrown at us!! The sentiment behind the words is "show some integrity!!" Gearhead's analogy of cleaning up after a dog (or not) is perfect! It illustrates the quote, "integrity is doing the right thing, even if nobody is watching". Teskelly and Best Red's contributions show how integrity continues to evolve and deepen through experience and commitment. HwyGuy questions the integrity of BCGA's actions of burying a forum and its content which in turn is defended by BCGA as being consistent to their policy ergo: their integrity. The purpose of the thread of this forum (as I read it) is to encourage all of us to consider the degree of integrity we demonstrate when both hiding and seeking a cache. We are given clear guidelines through Groundspeak. At every step of our involvement in geocaching from getting our handle to placing a cache, we agree to accept certain terms and responsibilities. If a person requires further clarification, the Geocachers Creed says it all. Irlpguy's young cacher does indeed show maturity beyond his years. He accepted his responsibility to the caching community, his role within it and showed integrity by considering his options, agreeing to firstly seek permission and failing that, to archive his cache. Irlpguy has demonstrated his commitment to geocaching and high level of integrity by mentoring this young man to a positive outcome. We should not require a long list of draconian rules and regulations to regulate geocaching as long as we hide and seek with integrity. However, if we choose to ignore the guidelines, are not prepared to identify and question irresponsible actions on the part of other players, this will be the end result. The Nordsrom's Employee Handbook says it all: Rule #1 Use your good judgement in all situations. There will be no additional rules Back to top HwyGuyJoined: Oct 25, 2005Posts: 129Location: Langley BC Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity I don't think I am questioning the BCGA Executive's integrity - I have no reason to doubt any of them. I think I am questioning their perceived inactivity while the membership battles around them. In their posts on this topic two Executive members have stated: "In general the BCGA encourages cachers to follow a leave no trace creed" and "We also will look into giving more education during BCGA related events on cache placement and its impact on the area (as there should be none!)". While I could ask what circumstances allow for the breaking of a "general" rule, or why it is only "general", this would just be me being a contrary s.o.b. and not helpful. But they, as Executive members, brought nothing substantial to the discussion on how to resolve the issues being discussed. I see nowhere on this - the BCGA site - where it is stated what the Community as a whole ( as represented by the Executive) thinks are good geocaching protocols. In this topic and in the Nanos and Micros topic, I see some saying: 1) we can move stuff around as long as we put it back 2) that sometimes you might need to break a few pieces of vegetation that has grown since cache placement 3) nothing should show you were ever here 4) some geotrails do happen as examples of what people think should be OK when looking for tupperware in the bush. What this shows to me is there are as many interpretations of the "rules" of geocaching as there are cachers. I would like to see from the BCGA a set of guidelines ( not rules ) that spell out what the Executive thinks we, the geocaching community, should be doing when we are in the bush, finding or hiding caches. This set of guidelines could then be discussed at length on the forums (as I am sure they will be). I am aware of Geocaching.com having guidelines, but if I have ever seen them I don't remember. In any event, I would like to see more "homegrown" ideas than what would be on that site. These could then be posted prominently on the Main Page, so new ( or old) cachers could easily see what this organization thinks its members should be doing while participating in this activity. While "word of mouth" works to some extent, the story changes with each telling and soon becomes a far cry from the original story. A written record can be accessed by anyone. If a cache is then placed that in the opinion of a cacher looking for it, does not follow the guidelines, it would give a benchmark for a discussion with the cache owner. This would help minimize the conflict between the two parties as they discuss their differences. I guess what I am really looking for from the Executive is leadership. Back to top The DesignatorJoined: Mar 17, 2009Posts: 1 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Thanks guys, i am new to this and learned from my Pepere in the summer in Merritt and decided would make my account in Chilliwack and start with some friends. I admit that my 2 caches are not the best, one on my property which some people don't like and one in a parking lot. I just happen to pass the one in the parking lot today biking to the cache and wanted to check if it was still there and it's not so nobother getting permission i'm just gonna archive it now. Thanks to everyone that has helped me out in geocaching especially IRLP GUY!!! Back to top IRLPGUYJoined: Mar 01, 2007Posts: 174 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Bravo HwyGuy I would like to offer here a portion of an email I sent to the current BCGA President in response to a request for input on just this topic, included here are portions from 2 separate emails I sent March 6,2009: 1) This is something Chris that I think BCGA should take a strong stance on, and that is when caches are placed in sensitive area's, on private property without the knowledge of the property owner, and any number of other inappropriately placed caches, that cachers should not ignore this just to get a happy face and another cache on their count. I think this should be a big part of the introduction to new cachers not just for placing caches but when they are seeking them and come across ones that are not appropriate, that they should not ignore the problem. If everyone ignores the problem ones, then newer cachers seeing these types of caches will say "well here is one that lots of people are doing and no one is saying anything" so why can't I put out a cache in this area or next to this building or whatever. We as responsible geocachers must police the game ourselves, if we don't, we will have no game to play and we will be constantly facing problems with Cities and municipalities making rules about placement that makes it difficult for even the most prudent cache owner. 2) I don't know Chris, it seems to me that the guidelines for the placement of caches is fairly basic, not too restrictive but respectful of the environment and peoples private property and security. To follow these guidelines does not hinder our ability to place caches in places we ourselves would be comfortable taking our Mothers and Fathers and our kids, I think that the onus is completely on the cache owner to understand that if you place a micro in a stump that is so well hidden there is a good likelihood of damage being done to the surrounding area by those seeking it, then that is not the place to put a micro. But alas I don't know how we can ever educate those that think they can do anything they like without thinking of the game as a whole. I believe that the BCGA's roll would be best served in attempting to not only educate new cachers but to perhaps make some kind of a mission statement to the effect that they support the posting of logs which identify and are critical of improper or inappropriate cache placement, people don't want to do this for fear of being criticized by other cachers notwithstanding the owner, I think if they felt it was appropriate to do just that we would soon weed out the ones who have no long term interest in the game... I have also sent an email to another member of the Executive whom I respect very much and I share with you the following, which I have shortened for this post: Dated Mar 15,2009 I have been a member of BCGA since I started caching, I am not a big fan of forums and certainly not a fan of participating in them, as is evident in that I have had 4 posts and they have all been within the last couple of weeks.. On March 10, my friend Paul joined BCGA after caching since last August I believe, he then posted immediately a thread with a topic called "something and geo cops", I do not remember the exact topic name. I have looked back at Topic names going back to 2006 and there are none that even come close to being so blatantly controversial and self-serving. That combined with his first post should have sent red flags up all over the BCGA executive's collective computers. I was informed of this topic and post by a friend since I do not monitor the forums and rarely visit that part of the website. My question is, how was that "topic" and post ever allowed to be placed and why was it not halted before I felt the need to offer a defense. BCGA promotes and I quote: (a) The reason why the last topic was removed was that it ended up being more destructive conversation as opposed to constructive criticism. The BCGA does not condone this type of behavior and therefore there is no room on these forums for such bashing. [b]The BCGA feels that we should all lead with respect and integrity when on the forums and in the caching community. Am I wrong in saying that there should be no "personal" topics allowed and if one is started then it should be halted immediately. If moderators are going to stop a topic, as they have every right to do, then they should also be willing to defend their having let it start in the first place. If BCGA is saying it promotes fair treatment and respect then this topic should never have been allowed to happen. End of messages: You can agree or disagree with my submissions and my assessment, I care not, for I know who I am, and I am completely comfortable with "my" integrity in caring for this game we profess to love, and choose to play. Back to top goaliegirl38Joined: Apr 19, 2008Posts: 148Location: Pitt Meadows, Burnaby, or driving in between Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Geocaching.com guidelines can be found here: www.geocaching.com/abo...lines.aspx I appreciate what you are saying HwyGuy and we do have a number of projects on the go that will hopefully give you some of what you are looking for from the BCGA Executive. But I would like you to keep in mind that as a cacher you have over 1500 finds. You can take 4 of the current executive, combine our finds and still not reach that number. We are just average cachers that have put our names forward to help out. We are not expert cachers, we make just as many mistakes as everyone else. This is why the input of all cachers is valuable, not just what the elected minds think. I do support having a resource for our members to go to for some guidance, but ultimately, the caches we place are approved based on the guidelines I've linked above. And rest assured, while we may not all be vocal in the forums, we are aware of the discussions that are going on and the suggestions that are being made! Shannon goaliegirl38, BCGA Director Back to top HwyGuyJoined: Oct 25, 2005Posts: 129Location: Langley BC Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Goaliegirl - thank you for your reply. That is what I was looking for as a constructive addition to the discussion by the Executive. I went and read the Geocaching.com regulations. I found them to be virtually useless for the discussions in this forum. They are very vague and general - which is a great starting point - but this forum has progressed past that in its discussions of "good" caching procedures. If I use these regs - of my 5 favorite caches - 3 don't meet the criteria and of my 5 most hated, environmentally destructive caches - 3 probably do - at least at the original time of placement. There are no specifics on that site. Specifics is what new cachers need. No mention of the pitfalls of: geotrails, cammo'ing with moss and expecting people not to tear apart all the moss in the area, the stupidity of a nano in a stump or just a micro in the forest, hiding on a slope, near a stream, using bouncy coordinates without a more direct clue to minimize damage etc. No examples of good practices such as: hiding caches close to existing trails, taking a number of readings on a number of days before sending a group of people into an area in any type of weather, using a clue to actually help cachers find the spot etc These are things that need to be itemized in some way so the damage can be minimized, the inevitable discussions can be civil and constructive, and the caches can be placed in a positive, challenging and environmentally sensitive manner. To use the crutch of "these are the Geocaching.com rules that the cache placements are following" is not acceptable. Not all cachers go to events, so to put all our eggs in that basket would be foolhardy. This site could and should be a visible source for what we as members of the BCGA deem to be important guidelines for caching in the province. It would then be able to be shown to groups like Surrey Parks etc that we are proactive in our concerns and that these groups can be more comfortable with us using THEIR resources and lands. I realize that the Executive are just cachers like the rest of us but they have the platform to make changes, we just have desire for progress. Back to top Mach2003deadJoined: Nov 14, 2006Posts: 263Location: x Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Nice start HwyGuy! Great Idea! Type up a starting list and email it to me, or, even better, start a new thread and post your ideas there. People can discuss the ideas, add to them, and in the end we can establish our own version of the "Geocachers of British Columbia Creed". Once something is "finalized", we can post it to the site, and make a big deal of pointing everyone to look at it. Cudos to you for starting off a positive solution, keep it up! (ps) If you would like some of the posts from THIS thread moved over to start a new one, just email me, I'd be glad to assist you there. Although these topics are formed from one another, the two threads really should be seperated, anyway. Back to top HwyGuyJoined: Oct 25, 2005Posts: 129Location: Langley BC Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Will gladly start that thread when I get back from Kelowna some time on the weekend. Back to top grafinatorJoined: Nov 12, 2006Posts: 195Location: Coruscant Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Integrity I'm glad this topic has been brought up. I for one have placed questionable caches in the past, and some of them probably still exist. I recently had a discussion with a local cacher and we decided we were going to soon archive our questionable and undesirable caches. I'm glad there has been so much constructive discussion in this thread and I look forward to seeing what it leads to. When I first started my hides, I was so excited to be hiding caches I was putting out 10 new caches a day at times. This is definitely going to lead to some not so nice hides. As with everything, it takes trial and error before you get good at something. Like they say, practice makes perfect. So when we do discover a new cache that is probably not in an area where it should be, lets be patient with this person. I have meet more than one geocacher that was completely turned off from geocaching by the way things were handled. We all started out knowing nothing. I myself am leaning more towards the hiking hides now. Anyways, that is enough of my uneducated and incoherent ramblings for now. _________________I find your lack of faith disturbing. - Darth Vader Back to top landsharkzJoined: Sep 28, 2005Posts: 356Location: Victoria Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Integrity Thanks Grafinator, This has been a very interesting discussion... I'd like to share a few guidelines that we personally make an effort to use when hiding caches and I encourage people to develop their own along the same lines. They are: 1. Read and understand Groundpeak's rules. Ask questions of your reviewer if you're not sure about their application in specific case. 2. Know who owns the property where you want to hide a cache. It may be public... what does that mean? Is it municipal? Is it federal? Does it belong to a logging company? Are you really ok hiding a cache there? 3. If in a park, does the park authority have policies about caching? Don't know? Find out and abide by them. (BCGA can tell you which of BC's parks have policies) 4. It may look barren... but in the spring, is the area full of wildflowers and birds nests? Are there other seasonal environmental issues. 5. When you hide a cache, put yourself in the mind-set of a new, inexperienced cache finder... a young family with kids for example, trying it out with an old GPS that's not very accurate. Is the cache container the appropriate size for the location? Is there a good hint? Will they find it and go, "COOL! That was fun." If so, great... you may have a good cache hide on your hands. Will they be likely to cause damage or disturbance? Will they likely leave with a DNF because they couldn't find your micro in the woods? If so, it does not belong there. 6. Finally, if you really feel the need to communicate with someone about what you feel is an issues with one of their cache hides, you don't have to do it publicly. ALWAYS treat people as you would wish to be treated... not how you know you can handle being told. A good model of communication to follow is 1. praise 2. express the problem in terms of how it makes you feel (no finger pointing) 3. praise again. People from all walks of life geocache for all kinds of reasons, but they ALL want to have fun. Not everyone knows and understands the rules... but they really do help make it fun, and breaking them really can hurt the sport. The people involved in this forum are fairly experienced, so I am kind of preaching to the converted here... the challenge is to share guidelines like these with new cachers in a positive and fun way. my 2 cents. Chris Back to top IRLPGUYJoined: Mar 01, 2007Posts: 174 Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity The guidelines that Landsharks have submitted as what they try to use in their cache placements are all very valid and important, I would suspect they were formulated very early on in their beginnings into geocaching, for that I applaud them. Many have similar standards they aspire to consider and live by before placing a cache. Each and every one of us will view our placements in a different way as we seek to place cool and desirable caches, hoping to bring pleasure to those that seek them. If we set a high standard to begin with as did landsharks, then there would be very little need to be looking at coming up with guidelines beyond those which are now in existence. Not everyone who places a cache will look at their choice of a location from the point of view of an inexperienced cacher seeking and finding it, and what their enjoyment might be. This is fine and to be expected, since some will choose to place caches in locations which challenge the seeker physically by placing their cache in hard to access areas along a rock face, or high up in a tree, these placements are "cool" also, providing they meet all the other requirements and clearly warn the seeker of what they should expect to encounter. Seeking and placing these types of caches is no less valid than those which appeal to the majority of "family" cachers. The important thing here, as with any cache placement, is for the owner to ensure the location meets the guidelines, is safe in all respects, and does not pose any unforeseen danger, if you do this you will not receive anything but good logs on your cache page. It is my opinion that everyone "should" feel the need to communicate obvious issues with a cache placement that is either inappropriate or does not follow the rules. I do not believe anyone sets out to be critical of the owner in pointing out a perceived issue. It is however my experience that in some cases that will be the result of your communication, no matter how you word that communication. This is a very public game we play, when we place a cache, and we do not perform our responsibility to ensure it meets the guidelines and is appropriate and safe for others to seek, then we should surely expect to receive criticism and unfriendly logs on our cache pages. To say that not everyone knows and understands the rules is fine, if you are only seeking caches, however if you are intent on hiding a cache, then you accept the responsibility to make yourself aware and have an understanding of the rules that govern cache placement, because when you submit a cache for review that is exactly what you are stating by ticking off the last two boxes on your page for submission. If there is any question at all in your mind, ask the reviewer, he has likely had tons of experience and will be more than willing to advise you on your placement. On a couple of my caches his input was asked for, and freely given. I have been taken to caches where the area was littered with junk and garbage, and the owner knowing that, has asked for me to help CITO the area. Well, I am not going to go and clean up an area that never should have had a cache placed there, but I sure am going to identify this placement as being less than desirable for anyone that might want to read my log and save themselves a trip to this cache location. It is my belief that if we all did this there would be far less undesirable caches out there. I started this forum topic by pointing to a young man who was willing to accept advise from someone far more experienced, who also did not view the communication I had with him as being critical, rather helpful, and in so doing he did indeed show what the name of this thread was all about. If we all use integrity in our cache placements by knowing and understanding the rules, and attempting to follow them to the best of our ability, asking advise when needed, and accepting someone's attempt to assist us as being just that, and not a criticism, then new and "old" cachers will all reap the benefits. That is my opinion for what it's worth. Back to top olipeJoined: Sep 13, 2007Posts: 22Location: Vancouver Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity I have read all of this and I can say as a beginner with 30 finds and several of those from attending events that this is all very interesting. I think that at this point in time pandora's box has been opened and you cannot close it. I joined the BCGA so that I can learn about geocaching and being apart of the community which also includes reading the forums from time to time. I would just like to tell you, as a beginner, what I thought about when I absorbed all of this. 1) I believe the avalanche deaths are in the 20's this year from skiers going out of bounds even though the areas are clearly marked out of bounds. Meaning that no matter what you tell people and how much you write, there will always be those who chose not to follow the rules. 2) I am a member of the BCGA and to be a member I must follow their rules. Period. If i dont want to follow the rules then I don't have to be a member, but that still doesn't stop me from geocaching. Any person can geocache. Anyone. All that the association can do is guide its membership in a constructive manner to allow the membership and the sport of geocaching to grow in a responsible manner. 3) No matter how much I like any person on this earth, there is always something that they say or do that I disagree with. How I deal with that is a measure of my integrity. Calling someone names, calling them out or making fun of them shows lack of respect. Telling them what my concerns are and allowing them to make their own decision with the information I have given them demonstrates leadership. Listening to what a person has to say and acting on that information is more important than dismissing it because of who has said it. That shows leadership and integrity. I would prefer to take advice from someone who has 40 caches found and OFFERS advice then to take advice from someone who has a million caches found and tries to ram it down my throat. In other words what you have to say will be measured with how you say it. 4) If you feel that the course of the current executives is not to your liking then you are allowed to vote them out at the next general election. If you think that you have something to contribute and are able too feel free to run for a position at the next election. Improving something is always a good thing. 5) This is a hobby. I want to have fun but in no way does this rule my every waking hour. If you find that you are thinking about geocaching 24/7 and you are actually getting angry over it, then this, in my opinion, is a time to take a step back and perhaps a break from geocaching until it becomes fun for you again. 6) Lastly as a beginner, the first place I come to for information and help would be here. When my daughter was sick this is where I came to because even though I had only a few finds and a few attendances I had already felt like I was part of the community. I came here tonight to read some of the stuff to try and become a better cacher and I have to tell you that some of the stuff I have read would make any new person never come back. This is not directed at anyone or at any specific post. This is in fact accumulated over several of the last few posts I have read. If you feel that I am singling you out please read the first line of this paragraph. I just felt that if it is truely your goal to educate me as a beginner then this, as a beginner, is how I feel after reading those posts and how I would like to be educated. Olipe Back to top tjguy98Joined: Aug 06, 2005Posts: 206Location: Maple Ridge Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Integrity Thank you Olipe for saying so eloquently what many of us have thought about some of the latest posts..... _________________Read about my geocaching adventures on my website at: tjguy98.blogspot.com/ Back to top gotlost001Joined: Nov 06, 2006Posts: 95Location: Abbotsford Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Integrity olipe wrote: 5) This is a hobby. I want to have fun but in no way does this rule my every waking hour. If you find that you are thinking about geocaching 24/7 and you are actually getting angry over it, then this, in my opinion, is a time to take a step back and perhaps a break from geocaching until it becomes fun for you again. This is what I decided to do last week. Yesterday I took a group of Cub Scouts out for a hike and we did a little caching (we planned it weeks before). I was able to see the kids have fun hunting the cache, not worrying about numbers of finds, good hides or bad. They just had fun getting outside taking a hike and finding a treasure box and looking inside. To me that is what this sport was when I started, and that is what I going back to. Back to top _canadianbacon_Joined: Jan 05, 2004Posts: 1154Location: Surrey, BC, Canada Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Integrity olipe wrote: 2) I am a member of the BCGA and to be a member I must follow their rules. Period. If i dont want to follow the rules then I don't have to be a member, but that still doesn't stop me from geocaching. Any person can geocache. Anyone. All that the association can do is guide its membership in a constructive manner to allow the membership and the sport of geocaching to grow in a responsible manner. Olipe Exactly what I was thinking! That is the great thing. The BCGA does not have any rules around Geocaching, it only has rules around behaviour on these forums, and operation of the society. Geocaching.com has the rules, you pay them for the privilege of getting cache information, and their 'volemployees' try to enforce the games rules. The BCGA's role is to educate cachers about the rules and work with authorities to set boundaries where needed. Not to enforce those boundaries. When the BCGA becomes a police force, is when I will hand in my membership, stop reading the forumns and continue on caching without a care in the world of what is written here. _________________~~~~ _CanadianBacon_~~~~ Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First Forum Index » General Page 1 of 1 All times are GMT - 8 Hours Jump to: Select a forumTerms of Usage AgreementGeneral AnnouncementsPoliciesCALL BINGO WINBingo DiscussionGeneralRecommend a CacheHow To?SWAGMilestonesNews Article DiscussionsFraser ValleyKootenay - RockiesLower Mainland / Coast MountainsNorthern B.C.Thompson / OkanaganVancouver IslandWebsite Questions2012 Director Nominations & Discussions You cannot post new topics in this forumYou cannot reply to topics in this forumYou cannot edit your posts in this forumYou cannot delete your posts in this forumYou cannot vote in polls in this forumYou cannot attach files in this forumYou cannot download files in this forum Advertisement :: Copyright 2003 - 2009 BC Geocaching Association :: RSS Feed:Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/BCGeocaching Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy PolicyTheme by British Columbia Geocaching Association.


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Azzarello Unmasks The Batman of "Flashpoint"
Eisner Award winner Brian Azzarello spoke with CBR about his take on the Dark Knight in "Flashpoint: Batman - Knight of Vengeance" while hinting what's to come in his and Risso's next series for Vertigo, "Spaceman."
UPDATED: DC Releases Advance "Flashpoint" Covers, Solicits
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CBR Forums Cameo in "Batman Incorporated"
CBR's own forums, under the pseudonym of "Gotham Guardians," are featured in the latest issue of DC Comics' "Batman Incorporated" as Bruce Wayne surfs the web for reactions to his recent announcement.
Geoff Johns On The Shockers Of "Flashpoint" #1
DC Comics CCO Geoff Johns speeds into CBR for a rundown of the changes at the heart of DC's summer event "Flashpoint" including the secrets of the world's Batman and a first look at Andy Kubert's cover to issue #4.
New Photos, Potential "Dark Knight" Plot Details
As the Christopher Nolan-directed "Dark Knight Rises" wraps up its location shoot in India, more images and possible story details leak from the Jodhpur set. SPINOFF has the potentially spoilery details.
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: "Red Robin" #23
Courtesy of DC Comics, CBR presents an exclusive preview of "Red Robin" #23, written by Fabian Nicieza with art and cover by Marcus To and Ray McCarthy. The issue hits Wednesday, May 11.
VIDEO: Green Lantern Guest Stars on "Batman: TB&tB"
Cartoon Network has released clips and images from the next episode of "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" guest-starring Green Lantern as he and the Caped Crusader take on Star Sapphire.
What Does Bin Laden's Death Mean for Miller's "Holy Terror?"
In the wake of death of Al Quaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, ROBOT 6 wonders what effect the news will have on Frank Miller's long-gestating graphic novel "Holy Terror?"
REVIEW: "Batman Incorporated" #5
CBR Reviewer Greg McElhatton gives Grant Morrison & Yanick Paquette's "Batman Incorporated" #5 4 stars, saying the series "has kicked into high gear" with this latest installment.
REVIEW: "Detective Comics" #876
CBR Reviewer Kelly Thompson gives Snyder & Jock's "Detective Comics" #876 4.5 stars and says the series "has shot to the top of my must have list again." Read on to see why this series is receiving rave reviews.
PREVIEW: "Batman Incorporated" #5
DC Comics has released a preview of "Batman Incorporated" #5 by Grant Morrison and Yanick Paquette. The issue, guest-starring Batwoman, hits tomorrow, April 27.
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: "Detective Comics" #876
Courtesy of DC Comics, CBR presents an exclusive preview of "Detective Comics" #876, by writer Scott Snyder and artist Jock. The second chapter of "Hunger City" hits stores April 27.
FIRST LOOK: McCarthy's "Batman: Gates of Gotham" Art
DC Comics shares an exclusive first look at artist Trevor McCarthy's work on "Batman: Gates of Gotham," the Scott Snyder/Kyle Higgins crime thriller focused on Gotham's past and future.
"Batman: Year One" Animated Details Hit
Ben McKenzie's Bruce Wayne and Bryan Cranston's James Gordon headline the animated adaptation of Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's "Batman: Year One" with Eliza Dushku and Katee Sackhoff as the first stills hit the web.
Pipeline - 4/19/2011
TokyoPop is now living the future of comics non-publishing! Are trade sales down because on-line sales are up? Free comic! Phototracing! And Augie's 1978 Batman costume!
Gordon-Levitt, Cotillard Officially Join "Dark Knight Rises"
Warner Bros. has officially announced the long-rumored casting of Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard in Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight Rises," albeit in roles nobody expected.
THE BAT SIGNAL: Tony Daniel on Dick Grayson, Two-Face & Classic Villains
THE BAT SIGNAL returns for a conversation with writer/artist Tony Daniel about the creation of Catgirl, the return of Two-Face and the artistic process behind "Batman."
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: "Batman" #709
Courtesy of DC Comics, CBR presents an exclusive preview of "Batman" #709. The final chapter of "Judgment on Gotham" by writer David Hine and artist Guillem March, hits stores April 20.
CBR TV: Winick on "Batman and Robin," "Power Girl," Reality TV & More
Judd Winick talks about his time on "The Real World," unique challenge of taking over Power Girl" while tying the series into the storyline of "Justice League: Generation Lost," taking on "Batman and Robin" and more.
"Batman Live" Unveils Character Costumes
The cast of the upcoming $20-million touring arena show "Batman Live" was unveiled in England this week, revealing the costumes for Batman, Robin, Joker, Penguin and more.
DC Comics Solicitations for July, 2011
DC Comics has released solicitation information and images for new comics and products shipping in July 2011, including the latest chapters of the various "Flashpoint" series the return of Cassandra Cain and more!
EXCL. PREVIEW: "Batman & Robin" #22
Courtesy of DC Comics, CBR presents an exclusive preview of "Batman and Robin" #22. The final chapter of Peter J. Tomasi and Patrick Gleason's "Dark Knight, White Knight" hits Wednesday, April 13.
WC11: Tony Daniel Spotlight
"Batman" writer and artist Tony Daniel treated WonderCon attendees to an afternoon art lesson as the creator gave insight into his creative process, answered questions and drew a page while the audience watched.
SPINOFF: Does WB Really Need a New Superman & Batman?
With Warner Bros reportedly planning a Justice League movie for 2013, with a brand new Superman and Batman attached, SPINOFF wonders whether this is as bad an idea as it sounds.
DC Comics Unveils Cover to "Flashpoint" #3
Capping off the latest "Flashpoint Friday," DC Comics has unveilied Andy Kubert's cover for "Flashpoint" #3. The series, written by Geoff Johns with art by Kubert, is slated to debut on May 11.
Comic Book Legends Revealed!
What new DC comic book led to an edit in an episode of "Batman: The Brave and the Bold?" How did an artist miscommunication lead to an Aquaman story? And was a comic really used to test the sense of humor of Germans?
VIDEO: "Batman: B&tB" Featuring Scooby-Doo, Batboy & Rubin
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REVIEW: "Detective Comics" #875
Ryan K. Lyndsay gives "Detective Comics" #875 4.5 stars, calling the Commissioner Gordon-centric story by Scott Snyder and Francesco Frankavilla, "Snyder's strongest issue yet in Gotham City."
CBR TV @ C2E2: Scott Snyder
Writer Scott Snyder spoke with CBR TV's Kiel Phegley at C2E2 about the upcoming WWII arc in his creator-owned "American Vampire" and its spinoff miniseries, the themes and future of "Detective Comics" and much more.
WB Developing "Justice League" Movie, Reinventing Batman
Warner Bros. President Jeff Robinov confirms plans to develop a live action "Justice League" movie for 2013 reinvent the Batman franchise post-"Dark Knight Rises." SPINOFF has details.
VIDEO: "Batman: TB&TB - Battle of the Superheroes!"
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Shelf Life - 3/24/2011
Ron takes a look at projects pitched but never approved for various reasons, including a project to be illustrated by Dusty Abell and "Altered Egos," a Superman/Batman Elseworlds co-pitched with Cully Hamner.
REIGN OF THE DOOMSAYERS: James Robinson
James Robinson discusses Doomsday making a mess of Blue Lantern Saint Walker's debut in "Justice League of America," the ongoing Eclipso story and why he loves writing his version of the World's Greatest Heroes.
EXCL. PREVIEW: "Batman: Streets of Gotham" #21
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THE BAT SIGNAL: Fabian Nicieza
Fabian Nicieza drops in on CBR's THE BAT SIGNAL to discuss his plans for the next arc of "Red Robin," "Seven Days of Death," the character's approach to crime fighting and his approach to Tim Drake.
PREVIEW: "Batman Inc." #4
DC Comics has released a preview for "Batman Incorporated" #4 written by Grant Morrison and illustrated by newly-exclusive artist Chris Burnham. Batwoman guest stars Wednesday, March 23.
PREVIEW: "Batman: The Dark Knight" #2
DC Comics has released a preview of "Batman: The Dark Knight" #2, written and drawn by Dave Finch. The issue, with covers by Finch and Andy Clarke, hits stores on March 23.
THE BAT SIGNAL: Scott Snyder
Writer Scott Snyder swings squarely into THE BAT SIGNAL to discuss his upcoming "Hungry City" arc in "Detective Comics" and exploring the history of Batman's city in the "Batman: Gates of Gotham" miniseries.
R.I.P. Michael Gough AKA "Alfred"
The actor who portrayed Batman's trusty butler Alfred Pennyworth in the four Batman films of the 1990s has passed away at 94 years old.
VIDEO: "Batman: Arkham City" Gameplay Trailer
Warner Bros and DC Entertainment have released a trailer featuring the first look at gameplay footage from "Batman: Arkham City." The Rocksteady Studios game is slated for release on October 18, 2011.
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NFL Mock Draft 2014: Bridgewater, Clowney first players off talented board
NFL Mock Draft 2014: Bridgewater, Clowney first players off talented board
The 2014 NFL Draft class is one of the most talented in recent years, as the crop is loaded with top quarterbacks and elite linemen on both sides of the ball.
With the draft order based on current Super Bowl odds, we make our first attempt at a 2014 mock draft. The Jaguars take the top spot and find their franchise quarterback, as do two other teams in the top five.
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Jacksonville Jaguars - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville*
The Blaine Gabbert experiment has run its course. With a new general manager, a new head coach and plenty of new faces on the roster, the Jaguars are ready to bring in their franchise quarterback. Bridgewater is the 2014 class' best passer as of now.
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Oakland Raiders - Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina*
The Raiders lack talent across the roster, and they could go a number of directions. Early in the season, quarterback Terrelle Pryor has flashed the tools to be an NFL starter. If that continues, the Raiders can pass on a quarterback to secure the best defensive prospect in the country.
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon*
The Bucs have benched Josh Freeman and might soon realize 2013 third-round pick Mike Glennon isn't the long-term answer, either. Though we prefer UCLA's Brett Hundley over Mariota as a prospect, the Oregon QB's upside and experience in the Chip Kelly up-tempo offense will be intriguing to many teams.
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Minnesota Vikings - Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
The Vikings certainly could be in the quarterback market, especially if they land in the top five. But if Leslie Frazier returns — a good bet considering the team made the playoffs last season — he may be more inclined to add an impact defensive prospect like Nix than draft a young quarterback who won't pay dividends for a few years.
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Cleveland Browns - Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA*
By trading Trent Richardson, the Browns made it clear they're focused on the future — not the 2013 season. Building this team starts with finding a franchise quarterback, and Hundley has the arm strength, athleticism and pocket passing upside to give Rob Chudzinski the QB he needs.
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Arizona Cardinals - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
After investing a top 10 pick in guard Jonathan Cooper (out for the season) in April, the Cardinals still need to add talent and get younger in the offensive line.
Matthews carries a higher grade than either of last year's top two offensive tackle picks, and the Cardinals would have their franchise left tackle for Bruce Arians' offense.
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Buffalo Bills - Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
With Barr playing opposite Mario Williams, the Bills would have the needed pass-rush punch to take full advantage of their talented secondary.
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St. Louis Rams - C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama
The Rams must add talent to their roster. They don't have any glaring weaknesses, but they need more playmakers. The addition of Mosley would make their linebacking corps an elite young unit — something they need against the running games of the Seahawks and 49ers.
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Pittsburgh Steelers - Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Despite their draft strategy of taking the best player available, the Steelers can't hide from the fact they are in great need of offensive line help. Lucky for them, in this scenario, they get both. Lewan is a franchise left tackle who is in the discussion for the best offensive lineman in this draft.
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San Diego Chargers - Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State*
Under new coach Mike McCoy, the Chargers' offense has seen a resurgence — especially thanks to the play of Phillip Rivers. However, the defense needs talent, and Roby would help them match up better against the Peyton Manning-led Broncos passing attack.
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Philadelphia Eagles - Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson*
Chip Kelly's offense is designed around playmakers, so don't be surprised if the Eagles continue to target offensive playmakers in this draft. Regardless of whether the team brings back Jeremy Maclin, Watkins would help stretch the field and spread the defense with his quickness and big-play ability.
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St. Louis Rams (from Washington) - Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
This might be a bit of a reach, but Clinton-Dix is the best at his position on the board and would fill a slight weakness. Ideally, the Rams would like to target another playmaker (don't rule out a receiver or tight end), but Clinton-Dix would give them enough talent at every level on defense to be a consistent playoff contender.
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New York Giants - Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Linebacker has long been a weakness for the Giants, and Van Noy would fix that problem on a couple of levels. Not only can he play inside or outside, but he can rush from a 4-3 linebacker position with tremendous success.
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Carolina Panthers - Marqise Lee, WR, USC*
Steve Smith doesn't have many years left to be Cam Newton's go-to target, and despite Ted Ginn Jr.'s success this year, he isn't the long-term answer. The sure-handed, versatile Lee could be Newton's safety valve and third-down target for the future.
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New York Jets - Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon*
Although the Jets could go a number of directions in the first round, it would be a major surprise if they didn't focus on offense throughout this draft. The Jets lack an NFL-worthy tight end on their roster, and Lyerla would provide the versatile playmaking ability the offense needs.
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Tennessee Titans - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama*
Off to a surprising start, the Titans have built a solid young nucleus on both sides of the ball. So outside of reaching for a running back to start supplanting Chris Johnson, I'd expect the Titans to target the best player available or focus on continuing to rebuild their offensive line. If Jake Locker is the quarterback of the future, they'll need to continue to stockpile lineman to keep him upright.
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Detroit Lions - Cornelius Lucas, OT, Kansas State
Former first-round pick Riley Reiff has assumed the Lions' left tackle position, but the right side could use an upgrade. Though he's not one of the more well-known linemen in this draft right now, Lucas has the length, movement and hand placement to play on either side and is worthy of a top 20 pick.
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Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis) - Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
After securing their franchise quarterback with the sixth overall pick, the Browns can target help for their defense, especially the secondary. Verrett is a shutdown cornerback who, paired with Joe Haden, can give this team one of the best duos in the AFC.
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Houston Texans - Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
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Chicago Bears - Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State
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Green Bay Packers - Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech
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San Francisco 49ers - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon*
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New Orleans Saints - Morgan Breslin, OLB, USC
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I live in Socorro, NM and write monthly history articles for the local newspaper. I have some information on the Biavaschi's. The Biavaschi, Gianera, Bianchi, del Curto, and Strozzi families arrived in the area in the late 1880s, coming here from Italy on the same ship. Most have descendants still living in the area.
The least is known about Giovanni Biavaschi. He built a brick saloon on the Socorro plaza with partner Antonio (Tony) Gianera in the 1890s that is today's Capitol Bar. His "Biavaschi Saloon" was shut down in 1909 for failure to pay property taxes and his liquor license, becoming the property of the city, which sold it to Henry May and leased by Judge Amos Green as a saloon and courtroom. It was converted to a pool hall and speakeasy during Prohibition, reverting to a bar afterwards. It was renamed the "Green Front Saloon" in later years.
Biavaschi shows up again operating a saloon in the coal mining town of Carthage circa 1914, and disappears shortly after that.
I have copies of newspaper accounts and County Clerk property records I can provide to you if interested. Unfortunately, there are no known copies of the local newspaper from 1912-1918, making tracing Biavaschi's whereabouts in this period next to impossible.
I would certainly like to communicate with you so we can fill in each other's missing holes.
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