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It is probably the case that if a *totally* satisfying PM solution could be created with the available info then that might weaken the argument for releasing more info since there would be no apparent customer benefit, but I don't think anyone was expecting the short term work to go that far.
You take away the driver and you take away the ability to use the hardware... Its simple logic if you can't use the hardware then there isnt any point in buying the hardware. Thats really stupid. With steam coming to linux right now is a really retarded time to make that choice.
EDIT: If what you say is true about AMD's attitude internally then they have some serious problems to consider. FGLRX is ---NOT--- an adequate driver. the OSS drivers are the only workable solution for the vast majority of linux users. You take that away and AMD becomes irrelevant on linux.
Up until this conversation I had been very optimistic about the furure of AMD products on linux, but you make it sound as if the end is very near.
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I'm not going to respond to the rest of your points in detail because you're basically saying "I don't like fglrx therefore everyone so must obviously believe it's crap and if AMD funds work on it then they must be stupid" over and over again. I continue to hear that fglrx works pretty well in the applications where its primary focus lies -- 3D workstation apps -- and it seems statistically unlikely that all of those people are stupid.
Also note that even if the open source drivers are superior for "the vast majority of Linux users" that doesn't mean fglrx doesn't have a place. Remember that fglrx's primary target is still the 3D workstation market (which is small but important), while the open source drivers *do* directly target the larger consumer and desktop client userbase.
I guess it would be unreasonable for me to ask you and BO$$ to come up with a consensus view before we go any further ?
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I didnt say that AMD customers were stupid. I said it would be stupid for AMD to drop out of OSS driver development right now. It sounds like what you were saying is thats where things are headed. That AMD will drop out of OSS driver development.
If I interpreted you wrong please set me straight and tell me that AMD isnt going to.
EDIT: If you guys want to develop fglrx then thats fine... I just don't like how you use the fact that fglrx exists as an excuse for why its taking so long to bring up support for features in the oss drivers. Whenever video decode (or any other feature the oss drivers don't have) is mentioned it always come to "well fglrx exists use that, it was designed for cases that the oss drivers dont work in"... Thats all fine and good except that it doesnt work.... And then to make things worse you say that it should be up to "thousands" of community developers to do it for free with no documentation.
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Bridgman thinks these small improvements to the static profiles would make a big difference. The oss devs think no one except a couple phoronix readers would even notice.
I have to say, I kind of agree with Dave and the others. Improving the static profiles might help quiet a couple trolls, but 99.999999% of people need good dynamic PM, and nothing less than that matters at all. Better to spend dev time working on things people will actually care about.
Please tell us Bridgman, what are these 3D workstation customer demands, that Radeon driver can't satisfy, besides superior performance. Is it GL 4.x? Is it OpenCL? Is it some secret sauce that is used to differentiate Radeon chips from FireGL ones.
Isn't possible for FOSS driver one day in the future to be 3D Workstation compatible?
Tell us, what you think it could be done with currently available information for PM. You said something of AtomBios table interpolation. Explain. This are super honest questions. I am not trying to argue with you, by no means.
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Can you please stop disagreeing with things I didn't say ?
I have said that we targetted the open source drivers at areas where fglrx was weak, but not the other way round. I never said that it should be up to "thousands of developers" other than summarizing what others were saying around the start of the project 5 years ago. My expectations were basically what we worked out with Dave and Alex in mid-2007 and so far things have worked out as planned, maybe a bit better if anything.
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There are some other requirements like GL overlays (for floating a UI over a full screen model) but I think it's the first two that require a big development effort.
The key point here is that a code-shared proprietary driver allows us to write the 3D code once and use it across multiple OSes, while providing the same functionality and performance on an open source driver requires doing all the same work again on a separate implementation, and it's a *lot* of work.
Everyone would benefit from full dynamic power management and that's what we're working on, but we knew that would take time. I felt that in the meantime it would be possible to make some reasonable guesses for "mid" values on cards which didn't have those entries, so at least everyone would be at the same level rather than the current state.
The trap everyone falls into is thinking that it's an either-or choice, ie working on a short term solution delays a better long term solution. It would if the work was being done by the same people (and that's why I didn't ask our devs to work on improved static PM, or at least didn't push very hard), but community work on static PM would not slow down AMD work on dynamic PM.
Dave's main point (which was correct) was that community work on static PM *would* slow down work on other areas where the work would not be throwaway; he weighted the "throwaway" aspect a bit more highly than I did which is totally fair.
Last edited by bridgman; 01-18-2013 at 10:20 AM.
Better power management should have absolute priority. The APUs, probably AMD's most important products right now, are nearly unusuable with the free drivers due to lack of power management. Not even the profiles work.
It's not just that APUs need more energy than they should, they're also limited to a (low) fallback clock, that means practical performance is a fraction of the APU's potential.


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I have the sneaking suspicion that this study was done and reported internally within Canonical in the days prior to the open discussion on the lists about Unity vs Gnome2 for Natty, but they deliberately withheld it from the public because they knew that the results would damn Unity in the eyes of the public and make it very difficult to proceed with Unity in Natty.
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Unless those crashers are 100% reproducible on all systems and completely obvious, chances are good that they won't be fixed before release. Two or three weeks is not a long time in software engineering. Not to mention that quite a lot of enhancement requests could plausibly be filed in response to the data gathered from the study, and without those enhancements Unity would seem quite "rough", and you see where I'm going with this.


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I always admire the young and talented, especially if they also bake very well because I am such a klutz when it comes to baking. Hannah of Honey & Jam is the uber talented 19 years old from Georgia and a star in baking, food photography, blogging, and writing. Honey & Jam is one of those blogs that I just want to linger all day—a welcoming design with luscious and vivid photography, and I feel like I could smell the sweet aroma of her baked goods whenever I visit her site. She is truly gifted. Honey & Jam bakes us some vanilla cheesecake today. Please welcome Hannah of Honey & Jam to Rasa Malaysia. Now, let's dig in to those cheesecakes!
Hi Rasa Malaysia readers! I come to you today with one of my very favorite desserts, cheesecake. It's one of those desserts that connected with so many memories for me, like the years when my little brother was totally obsessed with it, he had to have it every time we went out to eat, and usually ended up licking the plate when he finished! It's also the dessert I bake every year for my dad's birthday. It's delicious, rich and creamy, and pretty easy!
This is the most basic cheesecake recipe you can work with, but with a couple of touches that kick it up a bit. Firstly, start with really good ingredients, especially the cream cheese. That's the only way you're going to get a really fabulous cheesecake. Also, considering making your own graham crackers! It sounds like a lot of work, but it's totally worth it. I made my own for the first time for this recipe, and it really added a lot of great flavor…
What's great about cheesecake is you can top it with pretty much anything, fresh fruit, caramel, chocolate shavings, or my favorite, jam. I topped one a traditional cherry and the other with scrumptious orange-elderflower marmalade. Have fun with it!
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Such a treat I like vanilla,I like cheesecake and I love graham crackers. Who doesnt right?? =)
Just want to share some tips on the cheesecake recipe that I tried.
Cheese cake is basically a cream cheese custard (hopefully I did not drive anyone away from trying the recipe having said this). So baking it at high temperature will crack the surface, still eatable but it will not look presentable. If it does crack, you can use a little sour cream to smooth it over the cheese cake.
But another trick is to cover the pan with foil and bake it in a pool of water. Not boiling water. Cold water if you will. The objective is to bake it evenly. I usually bake it at lower temperature but longer time.
Another way to build the crust, sometimes manually pressing it down will not be even. So in James Petterson's book, you can actually bake the cheese cake first … then pat the side with the blended graham crumbs. I have not tried that but at least the surface are more even that way.
Just my 2 cents.
Those are all really good tips! I probably should have stated this in the post, but I've never had any issues with this cheesecake recipe whatsoever, no need for a water bath, etc! : )
I love cheesecake, but I am always too lazy to make it. The marmalade toppings are such great idea, where can I get the marmalade recipes?
I wish I had made the marmalade! The cherry is from bonne maman (best jam ever) and the orange elderflower is from ikea, it's delightful.
I can't resist cheesecake…ever. This is a dangerous recipe! :-P
Thank you so much for your kind words, Bee. It was a pleasure putting this together for you!
Stunning. Everything is beautiful.
What an amazing recipe!!! Great post.
You made your own graham crackers?! You are my new hero!
I am really going to save this recipe because it just looks decadent!!! amazing!
Hi, I am bit confused on the amount of cream cheese used, is it 38 ounces or 3/8 ounce.
Kindly clarify and your blog is one of the best.
Oh, this looks perfect! Hannah, your work is always such a joy to follow!
Mmmmm wow this cheesecake looks so unbelievably tasty!!
Nice looking cheesecakes. I have never thought of putting jam on top. I am sure it is great and goes well with the creamy filling.
Oh my God, Hannah. I just visited your site. You're such an amazing photographer. So dreamy. Incredible.
What a great recipe too! Thanks for sharing.
thank you so much!
Ah! This looks adorable and delicious too!
oooo lovely! cheesecakes can be so versatile and are not really all that hard once you've mastered it! lol plus they look so impressive too!
thanks for the graham cracker recipe! we dont get graham crackers in malaysia and i've always wondered what they taste like. :)
u r right! she is VERY talented. This recipe makes me drool-and it rocks. Great tips included. Thank you for sharing!
hmmm boyfriends birthday is next week. Looks like I'll be making cheesecake for him this year! :)
I've always been kind of afraid to make cheesecake but you make it sound easy!
can i use other biscuits e.g. marie, etc. which are easily available at supermarket. if so how much butter and sugar do i have to add.
sorry – you mentioned 350. is it degrees in F or C. Can u pls give degrees in both F and C. thanks alot.
Bee, I'm the same way with baking, I need to get more guest bloggers doing baked goods for NR.
Hannah, these cheesecakes look amazing, and I think it's especially awesome that you made you're own graham crackers. I'm all about making things from scratch.
looks easy to make and yummy too. I'm going to try it. Can i place the pressed crackers in th fridge while making the filling, just like some recipe say so. this is to harden the crackers. Is it ok?
That's not necessary, but it wouldn't hurt! : )
How much is a cup in grams?
Yum!! I love the idea of combining vanilla with a cheesecake! This looks divine! You should consider entering it into Recipe4Living's 5th Birthday Recipe Contest! The site is turning 5 years old, and we're giving away a Scharffen Berger gift basket to the top birthday cake that's submitted!
The sugar is caster sugar?
I've just tried this recipe, its yummy and it is worth trying:)
Hi, is it possible that I don bake it and just put into the fridge?


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For the last time: "FLOPSsp ≈ f × n × 2 (FMA)"=wrong, does not exist. Correct="FLOPSsp ≈ f × n × 2 (FMA2)". Fermi="FLOPSsp ≈ f × n × 3 (FMA3)". They don't write it because the third OP is not certain, but with a good driver is above 90% certain for games. They actually explain that in the past, and in g80-Gtx200 models they actually count it "FLOPSsp ≈ f × n × 3 (madd+mul). Second: gtx580=1.6TflopsSP is in 64bit Dual-Isue. Fermi cores are 64bit, you can't compare them with 32bit cores of Radeon6970=2.7Tflops. You must convert Fermi Flops in 32bit if you want to be accurate, thats 2x tested. Anyway Fermi is faster in 99% of all benchmarks, I don't thing you have an objection here, are you? Ad at the end, a card with 3 billion [email protected], can't lose to a card (same generation) with 2 billion transistor@880mhz. And Kepler with 3 billion transistor@3ghz, 640cores-128bit-quad-issue(probably not sure), will be 5 times faster than gtx580. Also don't forget all the Radeon problems on Linux.
The most problematic part with EFI booting is the mac support. Usually you can add menu entries using efibootmgr but there this does not work - on standard UEFI systems it works. You just need to learn how to use it when you exchange the motherboard and your bootloader is not named "/efi/boot/bootx64.efi". You can not chainload to EFI when you boot via mbr, so you want grub2 to boot Win you need to use Linux via EFI too. os-prober does not find it, but grub2 itself can find it as well - a new 64 bit Kanotix Hellfire will feature grub2 hybrid mode iso image where you can directly test it on mbr, EFI and even mac. So 1 iso for every system...
the nvidia is not magic magic faster and the HD7970 much faster than the old 6970.
nvidia lose in nearly all "Calculating only" benchmarks and they won in graphic benchmarks only because of there tessellation unit but the tessellation unit of the hd7970 is faster.
you claim that 64bit means double of the speed is proved wrong on the PC if you benchmark an old Pentium 4- 571 on 32bit and 64bit then the result is 32 bit is faster.
only the amd cpus are faster in 64bit because they do have deactivated calculating units in 32bit and they activate it in 64bit mode.
In fact in most of the cases 32bit is faster than 64bit if you use the same instruction set and the same pices of calculating units.
You claim your nvidia is double speed just because 64bit is just wrong in most of the time its slower because of 64bit because 64bit just eat your memory bandwith.
When both the official nVidia drivers and the open drivers has proprietary components, they both should be considered a "degree of evil", if considered evil at all. It would be wrong to consider the one as "evil" while the other one as "good". Having a buggy, unstable, low-performing, power hungry driver would certainly taint my system.
BTW, are you expecting DeepColor(30-bit) through DisplayPort on the open drivers anytime soon? SLI support?
While the open drivers still are playing catch-up struggling with version 3.0, version 4.3 could just be around the corner. A new revision is expected when Kepler arrives. There is also a difference between proof-of-concept support and performing production support.
Its a Quatcore with 3,3ghz and 16MB L3 cache and quatchannel 256bit ram per cpu.
this means a full 64bit ram channel per core. and full 4,5mb cache per core.
for a workstation you can get a dualsocket mainboard with this kind of cpu.
but yes its expensive: 474,00 per opteron 6204 cpu.
Opteron 6204 --> 151/8cores =18,87
Opteron 6282 SE --> 355/32cores=11.09
The Opteron is single threated 71,5% faster than the Opteron 6282 SE.
the amd fx8150 makes 78,8 points with 8cores
this makes the opteron 6204 single threated 91,6% faster .
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Btw. i did some benchmarks i7-2600 (4cores,ht,4gb ram) vs 2x Opteron 6180 SE (24 cores,32 gb ram) and the i7 kicks ass in most benchmarks. When you do a short one, like compiling mplayer2 then the i7 is twice as fast, when you do a longer one, then running the complete kernel compile in ram the opterons need 17min and due to missing ram 21 min for i7 on simple 500 gb hd a few years old. 7zip benched would win the opteron, but not much more real live benchmarks - or the diff is a joke compared to the price. Btw. i did not compile a minimal kernel, but a full u release 3.0.0-15 kernel on 64 bit.
second of all the top speed is not the question there are many many faster systems.
and the last joke: price dosn't matter because he ask about a workstation Intel Xeon computer and not a cheap super market I7-2600 price breaker.
Show him a Workstation with Coreboot (not bios/UEFI) with TOP speed at SINGLE-TREATED performance.
i just answers his question! your writing just do not answer this question!
It's my understanding that Xeon E5-1620 would outperform Opteron 6204 in most single threaded uses, even when considering the slight overhead introduced by EFI. My personal concern regarding EFI is primarily regarding security and protecting company property. With EFI we might see the first real OS independent viruses, and with all this "surveillance" features embedded into EFI I fear this would become a target for economical criminality. So for servers I would consider this security very important, and maybe a little less important for the workstations, but that's just my opinion. One of the reasons for the requirement of high single threaded performance is graphical development. With Kepler's increased programmability the CPU might become less of a bottleneck tough...


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To Jews today, the term tzedakah connotes giving charitable contributions, but the term originates in another realm. In the Bible, tzedakah means "righteous behavior" and is often paired with "justice." In Jewish thought and tradition, material support for those in need is not a matter of "charity"--a term that implies generosity beyond what may be expected--but a requirement. As in most areas of life, here too Jewish tradition makes practical demands and specifies expectations.
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BSD is a license for a perfect world in which everyone shares and those who share get rewarded and respected.
GPL is a license for an imperfect world in which those who share get shafted and have their code used against them.
There are times where a BSD-like license is preferable. But most of the time, it feels a lot like bringing a self-baked cake to Walmart, and then having to pay for parking on their property as a "thank you".
I've released code under BSD-like licenses, FWIW.
And I'd do it again when the license fits.
The idea of donating charity to big corporations so they can screw you over (like they did with Kerberos) is terrible, though. why should I donate code to multi-billion dollar companies?
They are selling products, and ask for money in return. So if they use my code, they should offer money in return.
To add to this debate, I provide my own perspective:
If good code is BSD licenced, (e.g. OpenSSH) then everybody will use it, even if they do put it behind a proprietary licence. The downside is that they *might* not contribute money/equipment/anything back to the community, the upside is that the *end users* get the best code of any sort running on their machines.
The BSD licence strikes me as a "it's for the good of everybody, even if it's not great for us"-style licence, whereas GPL strikes me as a "only help people if they are prepared to release their modifications."-style licence.
People may disagree, and I do find the differing points of view interesting, but if you're going to flame me then please go and have a cup of tea instead - we'll both feel better for it
In other news far more relevant to this threads topic, R600g now has point/sprite rendering support http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mes...98a6f5f2142207
People have short memories.
Do you know why Wine changed their license to LGPL?
The Windows Kerberos story, however, was classic Embrace, Extend and Extinguish.
Well, since it's in LGPL, not GPL, you could technically make adjustments you want under LGPL to change the API such that you could get to use all functionality from Wine in your proprietary program and then keep extending the functionality in the proprietary side which links against Wine. Sort of a mess but as far as I've understood legal.


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SOUTH BERWICK, Maine — Leading by 25.5 points heading into the finals of the Western Maine Class A Regional wrestling tournament, Marshwood High School already had enough points to win the title. But that didn't prevent them from doing even better in the finals as the Hawks tacked enough points to win the overall title by 40.5 points, accumulating a total of 237.5 points to second-place Noble's 197.
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Noble's two champions were Bill Gagner 113 and Jacob Guimond at 195. Placing second for Noble were Otto Keisker (145), Jon Badger (160), and Robert Worell (220).
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Thread: Horror Recommendations!
May 1st, 2003, 06:19 PM #1HemingwayGuest
Horror Recommendations!
What Horror novels do you recommend?
May 1st, 2003, 07:21 PM #2
The Stand- Stephen King (pet semetary and the shining are also worth reading)
Have a look though the HP lovecraft tales (depends on the anthology you pick up as to which ones occur in which volume)- quite a few pretty good ones - try and find one with montains of madness in it to start with
Best Ghost Stories of Algernon Blackwood- Algernon Blackwood (is an antholgy edited by Bleiler
I am Legend - Matheson (sp?)
Frankenstein- Shelly
The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - R.L. Stevenson
The Exorcist- Blatty
Something Wicked This Way Comes- Ray Bradbury
Hungry Moon- Ramsey Campbell (good luck finding it though)
Rosemary's Baby- Ira Levin
Imajica- Clive Barker
Sineater- Massie
Relic- Preston
Sacrifice- Vachss
The Between - Tananarive Due
Lost Souls - Brite
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Ah- found the list I was using to decide what to read when I got back into the genre last yr:
(it's been updated with winners of the Stoker awards- oh surprise surprise- american gods won last year)
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May 4th, 2003, 03:04 PM #3
fluffy bunny, At the Mountains of Madness is my favorite HPL story.
Extremely powerful story. HPL has never been better. I had to grab a blanket while reading it -- did anything like that happen with you?
I'd like to read it again, but re-reads are often a disappointment, and I don't want to ruin the memories of that story.
May 5th, 2003, 01:23 AM #4
It's easy to forget how much tension one author can pack into such a relatively small number of pages. I think my sanity was preserved by reading it in 2 sittings rather than one due to time, but I was gripped nonetheless.
Loved the style Lovecraft writes in- MoM hooked me from the start. 'I am forced into speech because men of science have refused to follow my advice without knowing why. It is altogether against my will that I tell my reasons for opposing this contemplated invasion of the antarctic - with its vast fossil hunt and its wholesale boring of the ancient ice caps. And I am all the more reluctant because my warning may be in vain.' From there, it starts off benign enough, but it builds and builds. Genius.
I find that the short stories of Lovecraft are best read between big novels of genres based in normality rather than all in one big chunk. Keeps you on your toes, looking over your shoulder. Something is out there brewing in the background of normailty, and the quest to find it has driven many people insane. Conspiracy lovers would thrive on it. In one go, I'd imagine Lovecraft loses some of his impact.
May 5th, 2003, 05:36 PM #5
Fluffy, I think you must be right, about interspersing HPL with normal reading.
Did you ever think that the Necronomicon might actually exist? That HPL knew something we didn't, that his "fictional" stories were the only way he could tell us about The Old Ones?
At the least, did you ever think that HPL believed what he was writing? I sure do, uh, er, did.
There lies madness. Now I'm freaking myself out.
May 9th, 2003, 05:22 AM #6
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Most recently, I enjoyed "Sumer of Night" and "A Winter Haunting" by Dan Simmons very much.
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SWAN SONG by Robert McCammon
IT by Stephen King
Good horror short stories by Rob't McCammon in BLUE WORLD
May 14th, 2003, 02:53 PM #8
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Did you ever think that the Necronomicon might actually exist? That HPL knew something we didn't, that his "fictional" stories were the only way he could tell us about The Old Ones?
The foreward, which includes some hilarious accounts of "tragedies" and "odd events" coinciding with the publishing of the book is worth reading, just for laughs.
May 14th, 2003, 05:47 PM #9
Gravity's End, I think I've heard of that one. Yeah, it's not the real thing, of course, and by now I realize that the real thing doesn't exist.
But it was fun, back in the late 70's, calling bookstores and asking did they have this book, and then having to spell it for them.
June 30th, 2003, 03:33 PM #10
Does Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door count as horror? I'd say so. There were some pretty horrible scenes, that's for sure.
July 3rd, 2003, 03:14 PM #11
diabolus -- The Girl Next Door probably counts as horror but without the supernatural aspect. Or is there a supernatural aspect? I haven't read it -- it's a psycho killer story, isn't it?
December 1st, 2003, 02:42 PM #12
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December 4th, 2003, 03:10 PM #13
Read The List of Seven by Mark Frost.
No, really. Go. Right now. Buy it. Read it. Fear it.
January 10th, 2004, 03:56 PM #14
I finished "The Fallen" by Dale Bailey and am in the middle of his next book "House of Bones".
I usually don't read horror, but I've really liked his books so far.
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The Fallen..any relation to the movie w/ denzel Washington and John Goodman, where the detective finds this demon that passes through people by touch? Love that movie!


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Anyone out there collect snowdrops? Snowdrops have always been a favorite of mine, but for some reason somethng happened this winter and I feel the need to have a couple named snowdrops.... even thought they've never really done so well for me.
My other problem is I don't think I can justify spending 20 or so dollars on a little bulb that still just kinda looks white and the same as what I have. Is this normal? (normal being not so much the 20 dollar part, just the part of wanting several versions of what's pretty much still just a white drop of a flower)
The only people I've heard of that collect Galanthus (snowdrops) live in the UK (England, etc.) Frankly, collecting something I can scarcely tell apart doesn't appeal to me. I have singles and a few doubles, which I like, but I'll leave the collecting of them to others.
I think you're right, there are many more collectors in the UK and Europe, but I'm sure there are plenty in the US and Canada too. There must be since I've found a couple suppliers. Right now I'm trying to talk myself out of it using the "scarcely tell them apart" argument but only because it would probably save me a lot of aggravation!
Some people live entirely peaceful and productive lives growing only three hostas; a green one, yellow one, and one with white stripes.... other people go off the deep end.... some people have three kinds of wine; red, white, and sparkling.... others go off the deep end. I guess my thinking is I should at least take a look and see what all the fuss is about. How bad could it be to just try out one or two little bulbs?
I have to admit I also find it hard to understand Galanthophilia. There is an article on snowdrops in the latest issue of The Garden (RHS magazine) but unfortunately it is not available in the on-line selection. Even with close-up pictures and descriptions it's hard to get excited by minimal differences in green blotches. I am just happy to see them appearing in any form at the end of winter. Nor do I get people who collect masses of versions of any particular plant, including hostas and day lilies. The latter obsessions seem very common in the US, less so over here.
I don't think I can justify spending 20 or so dollars on a little bulb that still just kinda looks white and the same as what I have. Is this normal?
NO THAT IS NOT NORMAL! hahahahaha. Order daffodils instead. At least you can tell them apart...usually.
I just went off the deep end here the last couple of days and late last night finalized my rather large Winter 2012 daffodil order with G & F Miller from New Zealand. The deadline was the 31st.
You were right. I am hopelessly addicted to daffs. Those 'enablers' sucked me right in.
Depending on your climate snowdrops may flower from October until March with the variety of cultivars and species available. Bloom time is one factor in selecting a bulb. "Potter's Prelude' flowers reliably at Thanksgiving in the mid-Atlantic region. G. reginae-olgae flowers in autumn.
Color is another trait that comes into play. Not only are there cultivars with yellow ovaries such as 'Wendy's Gold', nivalis 'Sandersii', 'Primrose Warburg', there are some with showy green markings on the outer tepals like 'Scharlockii' and ' Viridapice' and 'Trym'.
Foliage on various species is quite different in color and width from elwesii types with blue-gray foliage that is wide and strappy to the narrow nivalis, to wide bright green woronowii.
If magnification is needed to separate one flower from the other, do not bother buying it.
Flower form separates unusual from the ordinary. There are doubles that face upward, singles with elongated sepals, puffy sepals that makes their form pop among other snowdrops. 'Diggory' has puffy tepals. 'Walrus' and 'Wasp' have elongated tepals.
There are some snowdrops that are much taller or smaller so these also stand out. 'Colossus' is a giant.
There are very short cultivars available.
'Straffan' normally produces two flowers per scape which is unusual.
The last quality that should be present is that the clone is a robust grower. There is little point in spending money on finicky snowdrops.
Flowers in bloom during winter give the pollinators nectar, and add interest to the garden at a time when there is little else.
I agree that huge collections of any type of plant are uninspiring. Unique snowdrops integrated into the garden along with other bulbs, perennials, shrubs and trees make a statement in the winter landscape.
Sue you are beyond addicted. It would be bad enough importing from Europe, but you are going to the southern hemisphere!!!! Some people might not realize it's more serious than just a longer distance, it means over a year of 'turning over' the bulb from a southern hemisphere spring to a northern hemisphere spring. Crazy. Suddenly I'm perfectly fine with named snowdrops and I might even get some named corydalis on top. Compared to you I'm pinching pennies.... and my daffodil plantings are pretty spartan.
Hi Carol,
Your post has done an excellent job of clearing up all my muddled thoughts on snowdrop collecting. I keep getting lost in the similarities and caught up on some of the terms, but I think what you've explained sums it up. I don't want anything I need a magnifying lens to tell apart.
Actually you've named quite a few of my wish list bulbs, so I feel alot better about the ones I was leaning towards as 'starter' bulbs. I'm hoping for four species; nivalis, elwesii, plicatus and woronowii and then a couple named ones like sam arnott, Viridapice, magnet, wendy's gold and potter's prelude - those last two are unlikely!.... Something like diggory or straffan would be great some day, I've seen their names come up a couple times too as nice plants.
I guess I'm started and I guess I've given this alot more thought than I realized. Now it's just a matter of getting them and having some kind of confidence that they are correctly named. Just a quick look for something like 'three ships' gave me a couple pictures that I think are wrongly labeled.... but what do I know?
Apparently Brent and Becky still has gift certificates on sale. I just gifted myself a couple while I was putting this email together and I'm sure they'll come in handy. Funny that just a couple of days ago I told someone I had no need for on sale B&B gift certificates....
Wish me luck, too bad I didn't figure this out in August, I'd have some in the ground already.
....well actually I have a few elwesii potted up under lights. I think they are the reason I'm too into snowdrops right now while the snow is blowing.
Excellent post, carol23.
My plain old double G nivalis are just about 2 inches up now. Soon the flower buds will appear, the slugs will eat them, along with any tulips and hyacinths they can find, and I'll begin the 12 month wait for the next lot of gastropod fodder.
It's best to start with common snowdrops to be certain your growing conditions suit them. If you see them multiplying, then you have the right spot. You should plant some in various places so they are not all clumped together. They can be susceptible to Narcissus bulb fly.
These are unnamed very short snowdrops with pale yellow winter aconite and one darker common yellow aconite.
I think (here in the States at least) that the major attraction of snowdrops is their season(s). In mild winters here in 5b, I may have snowies blooming at New Year's or usually at least by the first week of February, and have a couple of late types that start blooming around Thanksgiving and may bloom well into December, so I have some faint semblance of 12 month gardening, which otherwise is a mirage here in the midwest. My snowdrops (and I have close to a hundred species/named varieties), are one of my most valuable groups in a one acre garden with thousands of varieties of all manner of plants; but if they bloomed in May they'd be lost. Besides, they aren't all exactly alike...
The winter garden is my favorite. Many early bloomers are fragrant so they will attract pollinators. Snowdrops add a lot of diversity along with companion plants such as witch hazel, hellebores, cyclamen, winter aconite. The flowers normally last a long time unlike some later flowering bulbs which may encounter one hot day that ruins their petals.
If I was on the fence before, I'm a convert now. Those are some great pictures! thanks
Blewberry tart and Wendy's gold? I cheated on the double since the name appears when your mouse hovers over the picture, I probably would have guessed walrus, but really have nothing to go on since I've only ever seen one double in person! But I have been a little obsessive on the internet.....
wow, the yellow is really nice, an amazing plant and an excellent photo. I'm determined to work on my camera skills, even if I can't match the artistic side at least I can try to get a closeup thats in focus and not over exposed on the white!
I've had some success with snowdrops, but Carol mentioned the narcissus bulb fly. I'm actively fighting this pest and will be growing any fancy snowdrops under netting. I'm missing a few snowdrops each spring and I'm sure the flies are to blame (I frequently find them in dug narcissus).
Yes, the winter garden is my number one reason for growing more snowdrops. The winter aconite is coming along, hellebores and cyclamen are maturing, my one witch hazel is full of buds.... March has become my new April! (and if there's a midwinter thaw there's even hope in February.
Thanks again for the pictures, they are great inspiration, but they may prove costly since I'm now sending out a request for Hitch Lyman's catalog. We'll see if there's anything in there that fits my budget.
Kato; yes Blewbury Tart (meant to label it). Hello Hitch's catalog, goodbye wallet.If I had narcissus flies, I'd be very wary of spending much on a snowdrop; it sounds like (on the SRGC forum) like many snowdrop collections are getting ravaged in GB. Below Art Nouveau:
I've heard the Lyman catalog is expensive, I'm wondering if my wallet stands a chance or if it's completely beyond my budget.
That's another nice one and well named too. Does the leaf(?) on the bloom stem always curl so artistically? or was it just good luck?
I've been battling bulb fly for a few years here and although I've already resorted to pesticides, it doesn't seem to be helping much. Netting will be my next plan of attack. The flies tend to find and attack the most expensive or newest and rarest of my daffodils, I'm sure it will be no different for the snowdrops. In fact they already eliminated most of my snowflakes, they must know how much I like the earliest of spring bulbs..... the snowflakes (leucojum v.) were the first bulbs to go into the witness protection program, covered after blooming with a little tent of reemay cloth. Seems ok so far.
kato; yes, the spathe is always curved; gives it sort of an "artsy" look, hence the name. Wow, feel for you about the flies; are they getting pretty common in NE? I suppose sooner or later they'll get to the Midwest. It's the reason I'll never again buy daffodil bulbs.
This post was edited by hawki on Thu, Jan 10, 13 at 15:19
I think the easiest way to get the flies is via infected bulbs, they seem to be a very localized problem. I'm hoping that if I can control them in my own yard new flies will not be coming in from the neighbors. (one of the benefits of living in a horticultural wasteland)
Here's my own version of winter interest. The snowdrops were a clearance sale purchase that I didn't want to plant out in the open, the cyclamen are seedlings that I never got around to planting out. Sorry to bring down the picture quality on this post, but my little shop light in the garage does alot to cheer me up on the coldest days.
Well, that's a cheery sight. Do you have a lot of cyclamens in the garden? I just finally started teasing out seedlings that were popping up around mother plants and moving them about, and already have about a thousand new little plants. They also spread around themselves, apparently by ants and by washing downhill, and have little cyclamens popping up all over.I'm definitely going to collect seeds this year and plant them out. Should be really neat in five years.
Hah hah, thousands of plants!? Awesome, and even if a few dissapear along the way you are still setting yourself up for an amazing display. Even better if they are doing some of the work kn their own. I do have a couple seedlings growing but its been a little hard letting go. For some reason I can't convince myself that they can really make it on their own outside. The indoor lights came about last winter when I chose last minute to line them up along the garage and basement windows.... And then needed more room, hence the light.
But it was too much this year. I planted most of the coum during the fall, some of the hederifolium, and potted up the rest. After bringing them in for the first hard freeze out they went when I realized it just wouldn't work. They're mostly Sheltered along the house foundation, dug in to their pot rims. Not exactly how it plays out in the gardening magazines, but I hope it works out.
If not I still have a couple new packets of seed, some purpurescens seedlings, and some more seed exchange seeds coming my way. I guess I'm a little into the cyclamens too :)
I'm in a LOT less temperate climate than you, and coum, hederifolium, and purpurascens all overwinter just fine here. Main things are that they need good drainage and protection from the hot summer sun. I have gotten in the habit of throwing a thin layer of pine needles on them in the early winter so that the foliage looks really nice in the spring; you shouldn't have to even do that. Below, Cyclamen coum early last spring, showing how well the foliage comes through the winter:
Interesting how your coum flowers have kind of a propeller shape, and what a nice silver leaf! Mine seem to have stubbier blooms, but who knows if they'll all turn out that way, hopefully spring will bring an answer. I feel a bit better knowing that they can handle much tougher weather, but maybe I will cover them a little with some evergreen branches just in case. They do get some winter sun where they are and maybe that'll be helpful.
The narrow leaf is nice, I like the shape and pattern. I'm hoping for something like that in my mix, so far it looks like I might have a couple that are different too.
Here are some baby pictures (the grow light last winter). I don't show too many people these pictures since I guess I'm a little in denial over the cyclamen collecting. I blame my self consciousness on my friends, they just give that not-understanding look when they ask about all the pots and I start to explain. I guess I could get new friends but it's slim pickings around here, and most are related by either blood or marriage.
It probably didn't help things when I potted up most of the c. hederifoliums into seperate pots rather than plant them out, but I didn't want to be too hasty in where I planted them out to.... better to get to know them one on one for a couple months first. Plus they handle drought well, a good trait considering my abyssmal watering record.
Carol, I got a few like that, I think some were labeled fancy leaf mix, others were in a generic mix. They were from Green Ice nursery though, so it was a really good source. I liked them too, but can't put my finger on why they are special. There are many more with fancier patterns but the ones with the silver center stand out.
Now I'm nervous again about having left them outdoors to fend for themselves. I hope I dug in the pots well enough.
Kato; my eyes were also immediately drawn to the hederifolium seedling with the broad green margin and silver "oak leaf" in the center; that's a very unusual, distinctive, and attractive leaf. Baby that one! By your pictures, you're far too modest in your description (I see tons of little seedlings in the ground). Believe me, these small plants will, in a few years, be two feet across and spreading, and you;ll be looking for places to plant them: My plants are coalescing into big patches of cyclamen foliage (below purpurascens):
Here are several hederifoliums and one coum around the trunk of a Japanese maple. Planting the cyclamens around the base of small trees and shrubs, where there is no competing ground foliage seems to work particularly well, and fills in spots that otherwise wouldn't be utilized very well.
Kato, I save Hitch's catalogs. Last year's most expensive was nivalis 'Walrus' at $50.00. In the elwesii group (only 2 offered last year) was 'Kite' at $40.00. But most of the rest - plicatus, single and hybrid doubles went from $15. to $25.00. The rest were 'specials' (= expensive) of 7 , highest $45.00, lowest $30.00.
The popular 'Scharlockii' he sold at $15.00 ea. All of the snowdrops are usually only 1 bulb per order - with the exception of nivalis ('still the best' he says) - 5 bulbs @ $15.00 and nivalis 'flore pleno' (nice to pick) - 3 bulbs for $18.00. Even with half success from stored bulbs for fall planting you may want to buy those 2 from bulb companies. Ditto the 'Woronowii' - mistaken for 'Ikarie' often, especially by Van Engelen.
If you're patient ;-p, you could build a collection from Hitch over time without breaking your bank, and there is no minimum for orders.
His new catalog should be coming soon, I will try to practice restraint ;-)
It was an excellent day in my muddy snowy foggy garden. The cyclamen were busy sending blooms up under the snow and look great as they thaw out (hmmmmm have to remind myself it's not even mid January), I spotted a few snowdrops (elwesii) poking out their green noses, the potted hederifoliums look great (still I threw a few evergreen branches on top)..... and the Temple Nursery catalog was in the mailbox.
Paula, I saw a price much higher than the $50! but for the most part they're as you described. I can still do a $15, and as long as I don't go on about it too much I'm sure I can sneak in one or two others without raising any eyebrows around here (I know what a new pair of UGGs cost and if it gets ugly I can always pull that card). In fact I bet if I promised not to talk about snowdrops during dinner, I could probably get another $20 approved for the budget.
Looks like all that talk about being responsible and taking it easy and trying things out first was wasted on me. I of course apologize and still want to say thanks, and although I may still back out I promise to at least cover anything I get with screens so I'm not throwing money away.
In fact I bet if I promised not to talk about snowdrops during dinner, I could probably get another $20 approved for the budget.
If tempted to talk about them during dinner, just wait a bit and call me and talk about them after dinner.
Today I discovered 2 little snowdrops in full bloom in 'the weed patch' bed, that has been slated for destruction for a couple of years now. Luckily I can move them a bit later while 'in the green'. They are labeled Flore Pleno, but are clearly a single, thus labeled wrong. I love them just the same though.
I know what a new pair of UGGs cost and if it gets ugly I can always pull that card).
You are sure right...see link. YIKES!
Here is a link that might be useful: $135-$325 for a whole lot of UGGly
This post was edited by chemocurl on Sat, Jan 12, 13 at 15:04
Got my catalog today as well. Of course....it's mid 50's, sun is out, and what better timing! Kato I see that one for $75.00 :-O
I found most of mine are pushing through the ground, or up an inch or so. A few just about to bloom. A few are no shows so far. I'm hoping it's just the delay that is typical first season after planting.
And the pictures get even better! ontnative is right in that this thread is as good as a book from the library. I just re-read the entire thing and it's also full of great information.
I guess at some point I should mention that my wallet is considerably lighter, thanks going to Mr. Lyman. The big plus in this (other than the new varieties) is that I'll have a couple new ones settling in a whole year earlier than if I had waited until the fall planting season! My list is all white snowdrops (except for one double with green tips). All were "easy to please" or "clumps up fast" so I'm hoping this works for me. I'm hoping for a good range of bloom from early to late.
"I don't think I can justify spending 20 or so dollars on a little bulb that still just kinda looks white"..... obviously I got over this.
Just a couple more weeks and I should be able to see some of the plain old common drops already growing here. Prior to the snow and cold last week I was able to see sprouts and buds coming and it looks like it will be a good year. (January is always a month of optimism with it's seed and plant catalogs.... late freezes, drought, flood and insects will temper that feeling soon enough)
Not only did I place an order, but on the 16th of March the Temple Nursery had an open day and I took a drive up there. It was a 2 hour drive and it was cold but I saw a few nice snowdrops so for me the trip was worth it.... 40 degrees would have been a whole lot nicer though, and sun sure would have helped more than the snow flurries!
This was labeled Naughton, I couldn't find anything online about it...
This was my first chance to see "fancy" snowdrops in the flesh and I did see a lot of nice ones but for now I think my wallet will be safe from getting too many all at once. There were plenty I couldn't tell apart..... but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't need them ;)
There were also several yellows. Look at how nice this one was, all fresh and springy in a dead winter landscape. How can you not love snowdrops?
I don't really remember how I found out about the open day, somewhere along the line I must have stumbled upon something saying he does this through the garden conservancy..... then I checked out the g. conservancy's website and found the date.
No and no, I didn't pick my order up and there was nothing for sale. It was still mighty cold so I guess digging wouldn't start for another couple weeks at earliest, but I would have really been tempted if there was anything with a price tag! (actually I made sure my wallet had a little extra in it before we left just in case) I really got the impression this is his personal collection and the nursery deal was just a way of passing on extras.
I thought Naughton was tall and skinny! this snowdrop looks awfully short and plump :)
Is it too early to talk about snowdrops?
Since you asked, I went out and checked to see if one little clump had emerged yet. They are up about 1/2", but sadly there are weeds growing in among them. When the soil is good and thawed out, should I try and dig and move them in the green? I think the weeds are perennial ones with established root systems that probably wouldn't pull out very easily.
If I get them dug and moved to a weed free area, I hope I don't lose the bloom for this spring.
I'm looking forward to seeing your new ones!
Hi kato_b! Great minds must think alike, since my thoughts have also been turning to early spring flowers like Galanthus, Helleborus, Eranthis, Adonis and Cyclamen coum. I believe I also have a few Leucojum vernum bulbs, given to me by a very kind and generous gardener, that are tucked away in my frozen garden. I am curious to see how fast they will settle in and start to bloom.
This past spring, I purchased a 'Potter's Prelude' from Carolyn's Shade Gardens. This autumn-flowering selection of Galanthus elwesii did indeed sprout and produced a single perfect bloom around Thanksgiving. I enjoyed it for less than a day before some unreasonably early snows started and it has been buried in snow ever since. The bloom is probably mush by now but I hope the plant survives and multiplies and is able to show off during the next mild fall.
I also put in two small Helleborus niger clones this past spring--'Josef Lemper' and 'Jacob'--which were also starting to form tiny buds just as the snow hit. Hopefully they are holding up well and will produce flowers as soon as temperatures moderate a bit.
There is something about winter that makes me absolutely obsessed with snowdrops and hellebores!
Ahhhhhh to be in England where the snowdrops bloom in what to me seems the middle of winter!
The darn holidays are keeping me from my snowdrop obsession - which is probably a good thing since there's still a long way to go until blooms show up here. Sue, I'm sure you could move them anytime it's convenient (dormant is best). But i move stuff all the time, even when blooming, since I feel like they're easier to work with then instead of after I've forgotten where they are. I've sliced too many bulbs with shovels to trust my dormant season memory Any more :(
Ispahan- I wonder if snowdrops and their companions would be just as popular if they were summer bloomers. Maybe..... All I know for sure is I think about it way too much. No one else seems to show much interest when I've been asking them about snowdrops this week. I usually hold a pretty high opinion of my family, this lack of interest is confusing me! How can they not be interested in talking about all the different forms of green tipped galanthus?
I'll be interested to see how potters prelude does for you, I think our winters are milder and if you have decent luck up there in your Icebox I might give it a try outside down here. I got lucky and had a fall snowdrop mixed in with some lose bulbs that I bought. It's planted indoors now but I'd like to move it outside in the spring.
Since last spring I've added a few of the easier to find named varieties and then some named ones from the Temple Gardens. Hopefully they will do well enough this spring for me to decide if I "need" any more.... Price says no but in weak moments I've been known to click carelessly or slap a stamp on an order before I realize what I'm doing!
Come to think if it even if I avoid snowdrops I could really use a few more hellebores, a nice yellow tipped snowflake, some brighter red stemmed dogwoods, some pale yellow aconite..... Hmmmm. I need to get back to work to get away from these ideas.
I fired up the winter garden light this past weekend to give some brighter light to my first winter bloomer. These were supposed to be g. woronowii but I don't think too many of them will be since they should have much brighter green leaves.... Normally it's annoying not to get what you pay for but in this case I'm happy anyway since they seem like an interesting bunch.
Any ideas?
OK - here we go..... I checked the park again today. These are just plain old Galanthus nivalis. Sorry for the picture quality. I don't have a fancy camera and I had to take it through the railings in very low winter sun. But here's my first sighting of 2014.
I confess to desperate excitement since buying some Norfolk woodland. Some rather famous snowdrop recluse (Greatorex) lived practically next door (in crazy isolation in an ex-railway carriage) who bred some famous doubles after WW2 (Hippolyte is one still about) and planted them all over my area....and in fact, we did spot many on the edges of our woods, last year, and having been on a bramble removal spree, I am hoping to find more, from seeds carried by ants.
That sounds fun Campanula. I have only the old fashioned doubles in my wood where people dumped garden rubbish in the past. They are also responsible for my wishy washy pinky/mauvy/purply primroses, clumps of double daffs and the Japanese Knotweed.
Look at those little guys sprouting!
I also have a few, but just green tips, nothing more. I'm glad they made it through our arctic blast though (I hope).
Campanula- that's an amazing story! I hope you do find some special blooms showing up in your woodland. I bet just clearing a few things out and mowing some of the growth will go a long way in bringing all kinds if small bulbs and wildflowers back.... Maybe not this spring, but I bet with each year they will gain strength.
Hi everyone, checking in for the new year. I'm buried under 8 inches of snow now with no extended warm up in sight.
It's comforting to know that my drops are well insulatedagainst the even more brutal temperatures coming Tuesday :-O
If anyone (in USA) wants to trade this spring I'm throwing my name in the ring :-)
Last year's snowdrop season was so exciting I guess I forgot to check back here. As usual I seem to be getting way too interested in snowdrops again, and in fact got myself into a little trouble over the past few months with named snowdrops.
They've been doing well though and I'm quite pleased. With my bulb fly issues under control the plain old unnamed snowdrops have been clumping up and I'm already looking forward to seeing these out again this spring. Here's a picture from Late March of last year.
Sorry to hear about your bad luck southern23. Snowdrops are notorious for being hard from dried bulbs, and depending on the variety and where you get them from your success will range from great to complete failure. I've had quite a few 'dud' batches along the way too.....
I hope the ones that grew last year will settle in and do well for you, they're such a nice way to start spring. Do you remember what variety they were?
I have no idea what variety they are and don't remember where I ordered them from. It was late in the season and it took me a while to find a site that was not sold out of them. Snowdrops were always the first to bloom when I was growing up and I remember getting some in a little bouquet on my birthday from family each year.
Look at that! I guess there is some hope for those of us surrounded by a different kind of white.
All the green ground cover doesn't hurt either. It will still be several weeks before there's any hope for green leaves and white blooms here! Enjoy your mild weather :)
Thank you for that picture, Floral. So beautiful and must lift your spirit to see something so lush in the winter. I have a forced tete a tete sitting on my windowsill, not the same but slim pickings here!
For the cyclamen, I added two to my garden this year. Love them...but they are so small definitely need a drift to make an impact. The seeds are very cheap compared with even just one plant. I would prefer to imitate nature and just sow in the ground under my fir tree and cross my fingers. Anyone have advice on when to do this?


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Three Dog Night has been eligible for induction since 1993. Co-founder Chuck Negron says they've consistently been passed over simply because the group didn't write their biggest hits: "It's a very strange thing. For some reason Three Dog Night has been stuck with this stigma that we weren't innovative and that's mind-boggling. Based all on the fact that we didn't write (our own material). We changed the music . . . the landscape of the touring business, we created stadium tours. And, y'know, if you're going to talk about writing, Elvis Presley didn't write a song."
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