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Thread: Jon a Targaryen?
June 9th, 2012, 06:04 AM #16
All she's saying is that since in the real world it DOESN'T work like that (with the black hair thing) but in Westeros it DOES then rather than have exhaustive arguments on message boards about how DNA works we can save ourselves the trouble and just say that DNA doesn't follow the rules of science which we know in reality in Westeros and it might as well be because of magic.
Kind of like the 10 year long summer thing. Or people who don't die when they walk into an inferno. Or zombies... hey I know let's get all snippy because in Westeros there are zombies but no bath salts! Source please! How could this be? I demand Martin provide some link to what we know as fact that these homeless wildlings from the north wouldn't behave like the shambling dead without crazy drugs like that guy in the news! How dare he ignore science in his fantasy story?!
I wish someone would ask Martin about this DNA thing so he could go all Shatner and be like, "Why are you breaking my balls do I like I have a biology PHD? I made it up! It works good enough, it's an awesome story is it not?" then Neil Gaiman could saddle up and let people have it again. When Neil Gaiman got all mad before I felt the same as a fantasy fan as I did as a hockey fan when the Great One got all mad at the Salt Lake Olympics. "Holy crap look at Wayne getting all mad! Things have clearly gone too far."
I'm sorry. I recently went from coffee twice a year to coffee several mornings a week and I'm sure this won't be the last morning tangent that results. In closing I'd like to demand that Martin expose the clearly evident use of growth hormones on those poor wolves before I get PETA on his ass.
June 9th, 2012, 06:25 PM #17
Okay, yes, definitely less coffee, Saint Jon, though it makes you funny.
Originally Posted by PalfreyOriginally Posted by saintjon
We do not have the facts established for us on Jon's parentage. That's simply conjecture, but the theories are based on people's understanding that important backstories usually have relevance for the main story. There isn't really any reason to have the backstory of Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna and her dying in a tower unless it has relevance to something in the story. Martin has placed images and prophecies that indicate that Rhaegar and Lyanna had a child -- and therefore that child might be Jon. He has placed symbolism like the blue rose in the wall that might signal this. He has created mystery around who exactly is Jon's mother. Maybe he's setting the audience up to go in another direction. Recent events in Jon's storyline indicate that his fate may not be what people originally believed. But that's why it's a rather fascinating issue, because his parentage has an impact on what Jon's fate will be. I don't think it would be so horrible to discover that his father was indeed actually Ned. But Martin does not yet want to cement this in established fact and keeps hinting that it is not necessarily the truth in the series.
Things I also don't know -- what Gendry's fate is going to be. Whether Arya will actually become an assassin capable of changing her face. Who is the chosen guy of the Red God, etc. But that Robert only has black haired kids -- that one Martin nailed down.
June 9th, 2012, 06:47 PM #18
June 11th, 2012, 12:36 PM #19
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The only way that a child of Robert's could be blonde is if Robert had a blonde recessive (Bb) and passed on the recessive three times. But again, there was no evidence of any blonde recessive in Robert's family (despite marrying into the Targaryens,) as all his family had black haired children and all Robert's bastard children have black hair (which is why Cersei has them slaughtered.) So logically, even if you're doing real world genetics, the three kids are clearly not Robert's.
Suffice it to say that since you can't tell the difference between a homozygous and heterozygous individual by looking, there is no surefire way (save genetic testing) to completely weed out blonde recessives. It would be statistically unlikely for Robert to have 3 blonde children, but not impossible, especially since he was married to a blonde. OTOH, since blonde is recessive, it is possible to have a family of guaranteed blondes such as the Lannisters.
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Just my 2 cents.
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June 12th, 2012, 03:48 PM #23
But Westeros, as saintjon pithily pointed out, isn't the real world. In Westeros, magic is in the DNA of the characters and effects them. That's why Jon and the Stark children are all wargs, able to go into others' consciousnesses. That's why Dany has silver blonde hair, violet eyes, is fire proof and can communicate with and is bonded to dragons and was able to make their petrified eggs hatch. That's why the Reed children have powers, why the Mountain may be huge and brutal because of possible giant's blood, etc. Why the Nameless Men can change their faces entirely. In Westeros, Martin has long established that people's appearance -- their genetics -- is shaped by magic, magical destiny, including of parentage. And Martin has a long chain of only black haired Baratheons -- no brunettes, no blondes, etc. Which means it isn't possible in Westeros, because the stag is not just the symbol of their House. The stag, wolf, lion, etc. are part of the magic of the story. The wolf killed by a stag was the beginning image that Martin imagined the whole story from. So in Westeros, Robert cannot have a blonde haired child.
And again, as was also pointed out, the two men aren't geneticists. The records that Robert's kin always throw black would have been sufficient for them to raise the issue, given it's the royal succession. But Arryn first checks Robert's bastards to be utterly sure, and even then plans to broach the issue carefully. He's killed before doing that. When Ned discovers what Arryn was up to, he also checks the bastards before doing anything, and even then he goes to Cersei first to let her have a say, and Cersei admits the children aren't Robert's, which resolves the issue (well at least for Ned.)
So, while it's fun to talk hair genetics and horse breeding, it doesn't really matter for what Martin concocted. In his world, only the black haired kids exist in that line and that becomes sufficient evidence. It's not a long bow because Martin established it as the ground rules of how Robert's house functions, the same as Dany being fire proof.
Originally Posted by Glelas
If Jon is not Lyanna and Rhaegar's child, then we misunderstood the visions he set up. He may have wanted us to partly misunderstand them, but the reality is that there are a number of different rose issues in the book. The Tyrrells have the gold rose, (again, not just a symbol for Martin's families,) there is the blue winter rose connected to Lyanna and Danys' vision in the ice wall and Jon's dream of being draped in blue roses. There is the fact that the story is very loosely based on the War of the Roses, white and red (and Loras Tyrell throws white roses to the crowds and gives Sansa a red rose at the tourney.) In the War of the Roses, the York royal princes of the tower's parentage was questioned by their uncle, who seized the throne. The princes disappeared and were probably murdered. One of the possible murderers who supposedly confessed was named Sir James Tyrrell. One of the Houses in Song has a white rose for its banner. In one of Danys' visions, she sees a white lion running through tall grass, but the Lannister's lion is gold. And then there are of course the griffons -- stone statues, House symbol, connected to the dragon, Dany's visions and warnings she gets, etc. There is Ashara Dayne, who Belmy remembers as having gotten pregnant from Ned or Brandon, who flung herself off the tower, just like in the ballad in the North about the northern princess stolen away like Lyanna. She could also, possibly, be Jon's mother with Ned. The Daynes are important, they often had violet eyes, as Ashara did, and their sigil involves a sword and falling star, like a comet, and an actual comet plays a role in the sky, seen as an omen and guide, and on and on.
So you can play ring around the mulberry bush with Martin's symbols and portents, which he drops every five seconds. (One of the reasons I find calling the series low magic a misnomer.) The likelihood is that Jon is R&L's son, not Ned's, from the various clues. But the clues could end up adding up elsewhere.
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It would actually be very similar to the Taimandred red herring that Jordan pulled, just on a larger scale.
Kat: Yeah, the violet eyes of the Dayne's threw me for a loop. I was actually theorizing that Ned Dayne was actually Aegon Targaryen because of them at one point.
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June 12th, 2012, 06:43 PM #25
With that said, I tend to look at books like these from the outside, meaning, as someone who is an avid reader, maybe even a fantasy reader, but not the type of reader that sites like these consist of.
Sometimes I forget most readers, just read to read. I have friends and family who have read these books over the years from my recommendation. None frequent fantasy forums, none write fantasy, none will think about the books as soon as they are finished except that it kept them entertained. I forget the majority of readers are similar to my friends and family.
We (most of the folks here for example) go deeper. We are seasoned and passionate fantasy readers. We are going to look for the "blue rose in the wall" or "promise me Ned" as more than just words filling a page. My avid reader friend is just going to read the words and keep moving until the book is done and he or she is on to the next book.
The Dayne stuff does throw me and gets me wondering maybe Martin has another plan for Jon's parentage but the average avid reader will never go that deep. Jon is Ned's bastard and that's that.
We live and breath ASOIAF, we read and re-read. Martin knows this, but I think he also knows there are just "regular" fantasy readers out there. And more people will be stunned when we find out Jon is Rhaegar's and Lyanna's than not.
When I tell friends and family and co-workers the R+L=Jon theory their eyes light up and are wowed by how it all perfectly fits.
We see R+L=Jon as so obvious we figure there is no way it can be.
And this does not mean non forum going, passionate fantasy readers won't pick up on this, I just think lots of people read to be entertained and move on. So Martin is not going surprise 5% (making that number up) of the readers, but he will shock the 95% with the R+L=Jon.
Throwing a red herring to fool 5% makes no sense to me.
This is also not an elitist position I am taking nor do I think anyone here is an elitist. Good Lord, this thread alone has more posts on genetics and recessive traits than a fertility forum, I'd hardly call myself an elitist. Not sure what to call myself after reading this thread.
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Double post. I have no idea what happened there.
June 12th, 2012, 09:35 PM #27
Martin does, however, like SFF fan readers. He wrote the series for them. He wrote something he thought would never be produced on film. He wrote a giant epic that got bigger as he went, but he's always known the ending, as most fantasy writers do. While it was expected, back in the late 1990's, that the books would do well, given Martin's standing in the field, and might appeal to non-regular fans, it's gone well beyond what anyone was expecting. And the extent that the series and now the show are talked about on the Internet is enormous. But would Martin torture his main fan base? Yes, especially as he started it out in 1996. Most of the fantasy authors would and do.
I have talked about little details concerning the series and about Martin more than I normally would have because Martin fans are obsessed. And the show has just created an entire new, bigger group of obsessed people. Does Martin have to produce hundreds of symbols in his books for the average reader? No. Does he do it anyway? Yes. Put it this way, I trust that most that is in Martin's work means something, but I don't trust him about what it means. He's one of the few writers I've read who can sneak things in on me, despite dropping lots of imagery clues. So I don't trust the possible truth of Jon's parentage based on clues for alert readers. I do, though, agree that who Jon's parents are has an impact on the plot.
June 13th, 2012, 07:24 AM #28
It certainly feels like 50% that much I agree. But when I remove myself from my passion, I realize it is a lot lower. Again this doesn't mean 50% are not reading it, I still believe 50% are not digging as deep.
And Kat, you may have only read it once. But as you said you did some research. You dug a bit. But you are one of my 5%. A seasoned passionate fantasy reader.
My brother in law who "picks things up and puts things down" in a gym all day read it too. He is NOT in that 5%.
I have no numbers to base it on except the people I surround myself with every day:
And I was about to go through each group of friends, family, acquaintances, training partners, etc...and do my best to tally it all up but I doubt sffworld wants to know how may cousin-in-laws I have and if any read ASOIAF.
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To get back on topic, it just doesn't make sense to me that Ned would go so far as upsetting his wife and compromising his own honor just to protect a half-Targaryen nephew. He clearly was no fan of the Targaryens. Besides, if Jon's life was under threat from his parentage, it would have made more sense for Ned to bring him to Winterfell as a stable boy or some such - no one would have been interested in where he came from then.
But here's another theory I can believe: Coldhands is Benjen Stark.
June 13th, 2012, 03:33 PM #30
I'm not arguing that Martin doesn't have a sizable not-regular-SFF fan audience. He does. And with the t.v. show, he has even more. I'm just arguing that they do not make up the bulk of his reading audience. They certainly didn't in 1996 and they definitely don't now when people are finally accepting the fact -- and not freaking out about it so much -- that SFF is the main force of mainstream arts culture.
I look stuff up because people ask questions and I don't know the answer immediately -- but I know there's a wealth of info available from people who do. And because my memory for a fifteen year old hugely complicated series isn't perfect, especially for names. I do that because I am one of those people who like to talk about SFF stuff and Martin's series is something that people like to talk about. But there are millions of these people. Wert is not a rare phenomena. (Not that he's not special.) I still argue that fully half of Martin's audience can beat you silly on details.
To get back on topic, it just doesn't make sense to me that Ned would go so far as upsetting his wife and compromising his own honor just to protect a half-Targaryen nephew. He clearly was no fan of the Targaryens. Besides, if Jon's life was under threat from his parentage, it would have made more sense for Ned to bring him to Winterfell as a stable boy or some such - no one would have been interested in where he came from then.
You have to ask yourself, why does Lyanna exist? She's completely unnecessary for the plot. Why does Rhaegar exist? His purpose in the plot is little and could have been handled differently. Why have Rhaegar kidnap Lyanna based on a prophecy about the future of the kingdom and her die mysteriously? Why is this backstory in the story at all? Why have a ballad of the North that tells a similar story? Why does Dany have the vision of a man she's sure is Rhaegar and a woman and a baby and Rhaegar saying what he says? Why does Ned refuse to tell anyone who Jon's mother is, only telling Robert that it was servant Wylla when Robert as king insisted? For those who read fiction, Martin seems to be setting up for a reveal of some sort. So it's not an illogical theory, I think. It just may not be the right theory.


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Flight to the Ford: Asfaloth's Tale
3. Never Cross an Elvish Horse
Hmmm, I believe I left off on the second day of my journey and just after my little, ahem, pleasure jaunt and the ensuing chase. We rode hard. I did not complain because I felt sorry for leaving Arwen in the tree (even if she deserved it). Well, perhaps the fact that our ride was frequently disturbed with the sounds of the Nazgul calling to each other also made me a little reticent. A shiver went down my spine whenever I heard their calls and I dearly wished they would keep silent. I had determined that they had not pursued us because they had better game to chase. Probably that which we also sought, but I could not be positive since certain elves who shall not be named refused to enlighten me on the matter.
All the same, by moonrise, around two hours after darkness fell, little visions of a soaking wet elf who had been dumped into mud holes or tossed into brooks were darting through my head with increasing regularity. That is why I didn't pay any attention to what Arwen was doing when we stopped. All I could think of was the delightful look of rage that would be on her face as mud got smeared all over her lovely dress in the shape of the Hooves of Asfaloth. Oh, bliss! That is why all I did when she dismounted and led me with drawn sword, was gnaw on the ends of her long hair. I did not even see the human until she stopped and I ran into her.
"Silence," she whispered.
She crept forward towards the human. He was bent over, cutting at a small, white-flowered plant. Humans! Ugh! I do not understand how any elf, even Arwen can like them. They are ugly and they stink. Uhh, maybe you should forget I said that. After all, Elrond and his children are half-elves and they would not take kindly to it. Neither would my master.
Nevertheless, despite their appearance and their low intelligence (Have I mentioned that humans are stupid?), it is not wise to sneak up on a human Ranger with a drawn sword. Unfortunately, that was precisely what Arwen was doing. At first I thought she was angry because he was destroying the plant life. Then I noticed she was smiling. Crazy elf! If he killed her, I had no intention of going to report her death to Elrond. I was going straight back to the stable and staying there! She crept up behind him and placed the tip of her sword at his neck. He could not see her, but he froze instantly.
"What's this?" she murmured impishly. "A Ranger caught off his guard?"
I did not have a great amount of confidence in her abilities as a warrior and barely resisted the urge to close my eyes and try to stick my hooves in my ears. It is fortunate I did, or I would have missed the human tilting his head up and giving her a slightly disgusted look. He stood up and Arwen withdrew her sword and sheathed it, still smiling delightedly. A smile suddenly flashed across his face as well.
"Well met, Undomiel," he said.
"Well met, Aragorn," she replied smugly. "It has been too long." She paused, and then said simply, "I have missed you." Then she frowned. "You are gathering Athelas. One of the hobbits is injured?"
He nodded grimly, his smile disappearing. "The Ringbearer was stabbed by a Morgul blade. His wound is beyond my skill to heal."
She nodded thoughtfully. "I will do what I can for him, Aragorn," she promised. "Where is he?"
"Behind you," he replied. "By the stone trolls. There are three other hobbits with him."
My eyes were turning circles in my head at this point because I had recognized the human. My sire, Noladar, had pointed him out to me when I was young and told me horrible tales about when that dim-witted Aradorm son of Aritorn (or whatever his name was) used to ride him. Not only was he a terror, he was a human (though my sire said there was nothing wrong with that)! The nasty little fiend liked nothing better than bouncing around on my sire's back, and pulling his mane. Although he had been called Estel (which means hope) not Ara-whatever, there had been nothing about the little monster that had inspired even the remotest spark of hope in me then and there still was not.
Arwen walked to my side and climbed onto my back again. 'Traitor,' I thought savagely. Before I stopped to think, I did what I had wanted to do for a long time and whipped my head around and bit her leg. Surprisingly, there was no terrified scream of pain or fury. She simply nudged me, instructing me to move. Instead, I gnawed a little bit on what I was holding in my mouth. It was tough and unyielding. It was. . . . a saddle. Oh, that pestilent she-elf! She was just sitting in the saddle and snickering! She probably made me do it.
I raised my head and pranced off, pretending that I did not care what she thought of me. A worthy effort on my part, but her giggling only grew louder.
'Just you wait until I tell Glorfindel about this,' I thought furiously. A slight movement caught the corner of my eye and I turned my head (I had long since mastered the art of looking at one thing but moving in another direction since it often helps with an innocent air and swift retreat) and saw Estel cutting the plant called Athelas. The problem was he had the impudence to be watching me with a smirk on his face. I was so thoroughly disconcerted by then that I bumped a tree slightly (all right, I ran straight into it) and was forced to concentrate on my forward path.
I arched my neck, cantered forward and then turned slightly to my right. There they were: three hobbits, and another one lying on the ground looking quite ill, who were underneath three large statues that upon closer examination turned out to be very ugly stone trolls. Not to say that another kind exists.
There was also a chestnut pony with a white blaze on his face. Estel had not even bothered to mention the poor, hard-working beast of burden. We horses get completely disregarded all too often, though I was uncertain of how worthy of regard this pony was, seeing how he seemed perfectly happy despite the presence of a human. Since everyone was so worried about the hobbit lying on the ground, I suppose they just forgot us.
As I paused and eyed them uncertainly, Arwen alighted from my back and approached the hobbits. They all looked at her with expressions of awe on their faces, even the unwell one who hardly appeared to be able to focus his eyes, but gasped at her approach.
"Frodo, I am Arwen. I have come to help you. Hear my voice. Come back to the light."
This she said as she approached; kneeling beside him. Apparently she was going to try to heal him or something. After all, she was the daughter of the greatest healer in all of Arda (my master said so).
I heard one of the other hobbits ask in an awestruck voice, "Who is she?"
"Frodo," she said again. It was almost as if she were calling him.
Another hobbit, who was slightly more well-built, replied in an even more awestruck voice, "She's an elf."
That, at least, was obvious I thought with disdain. Maybe not in the same class as Glorfindel, but an elf still and the hobbits should have known that.
Estel brushed past me and crouched beside her. He was holding some of the Athelas, but surprised me by putting it in his mouth and chewing it. As I have said before, I do not have a lot of experience with humans, but they usually do not eat flowers (not that there is anything wrong with that, mind you).
"He's fading," she said. "He's not going to last."
Even more unexpected, was Estel's then spitting it out and placing it on the shoulder of the hobbit called Frodo (Where had I heard that name before?) on what appeared to be a small wound causing the poor halfling to moan and convulse.
"We must get him to my father."
My ears pricked up immediately. Father? Elrond? That meant Imladris! Oh, yes, yes, yes! At last! Home, sweet home! I felt like doing a little dance but restrained myself like the good, elvish horse I am. Maybe Arwen was not as heartless as she seemed. Estel scooped Frodo up into his arms and started to carry him in my direction. Uh-oh. . . . maybe not so good after all.
As they reached my side, I turned my head slightly so I could watch them. Arwen stayed beside them.
"I've been looking for you for two days. There are five wraiths behind you. Where the other four are, I do not know." She told Estel as he placed Frodo on my back.
Now before I continue my narrative, I need to explain a little bit about my opinion of hobbits. Unlike humans, I have had some contact with them, and I actually am fond of them to some degree. They understand that horses need apples and bread (and anything else the hobbit happens to be eating) to sustain them. Mind you though, hobbits are nothing like elves. But I stray from my point. My point being that Frodo did not immediately find himself airborne and the human remained intact.
"Stay with the hobbits," Estel instructed Arwen. "I will send horses for you."
I rolled my eyes back in my head and pawed at Arwen's foot, hoping she would get the point. More explicitly, that if the human thought I was taking him anywhere he could think again. She placed her hand on my shoulder to quiet me (which only annoyed me), and shook her head at Estel.
"I will take him," she disagreed. "I am the faster rider."
"The road is too dangerous," he countered.
I mentally rolled my eyes. Humans always state the obvious. Hello? Nazgul are the definition of dangerous, human. Lamentably, he could not understand me.
"What are they saying?" I heard the hobbit who had not spoken before ask.
Arwen did not notice, her gaze being intensely fixed on Estel. "Frodo is dying. If I can get across the river, the power of my people will protect him." She hesitated. "I do not fear them."
What?! What do you mean you do not fear them, you senseless she-elf?! It is their mission to inspire fear and they fulfill it well. We barely got away last time.
Estel sighed, looking worried, but nodded. "According to your wish."
He gripped the hand she had placed against my side, and then released it, stepping away as Arwen mounted and gathered the reins. I breathed a sigh of relief. I was going home. No more hideous Nazgul, no more disagreeable humans. I looked ahead and prepared to set out.
Then I heard Estel's voice again. "Arwen, ride hard. Don't look back."
I felt Arwen gather the reins, and heard her voice call to me as I had heard it call after we fled from the Nazgul. "Ride fast, Asfaloth! Ride fast!"
I cantered swiftly away through the ferns, gaining speed as I went; ready to break into a gallop as soon as we cleared the trees. As I ran, I heard the voice of the well-built hobbit echoing through the woods.
"What are you doing?! Those wraiths are still out there!"
I ground my teeth. So much for stealth.
It did not take us long to leave the trees behind. Once clear, I galloped as fast as I could for Imladris. And despite what you are probably thinking, it was not just so I could get back to my stall as quickly as I could. I wanted to, of course, but in truth, I like hobbits and this one looked very ill to me.
I galloped until Isil had set and Anar had risen far into the sky. I had not heard the calls of the Nazgul in some time, but I knew that did not mean they were not near. I galloped over hills and through fields. The Hithaeglir were visible, looming forebodingly at the far horizon. I entered a forest with numerous fir trees which was annoying since I kept getting whacked by low branches.
It was there that, though I did not see them, I felt their presence closing in. As I galloped through the trees (the trees were sparse, making traversing the woods easy, if annoying) I noticed movement to our sides. Glancing from the corner of my eye, I could see two dark riders approaching. One was on either side, even, and drawing closer, attempting to intercept us.
My heart jumped into my mouth and I snorted fearfully as I leaped forward, somehow finding the power to increase my speed yet more. I heard an increasing number of hooves drawing closer and surged forward again as we entered a small clearing. Horses have better peripheral eyesight than humans or even elves, so I was able to see that there were more dark riders coming to intercept us. Despite my fright, I couldn't help feeling slightly smug as their attempted interception of us failed miserably.
We exited the clearing and branches whipping at us from the sides forced me to stop gloating over their typical stupidity and concentrate. I am not used to being smacked by branches since Glorfindel is always very careful of my well-being. My poor, tender, sensitive nose! It will probably never look the same again.
Now mind you, I would not have lost any ground if it were not for the distraction, but when my eyes stopped watering and I managed to pay attention to my path again, two of the dark riders were almost upon us. They were so close that if they had tried, the horses' heads could probably have touched my flank.
Then we were out into a field. The way before us was clear. I stretched my neck out and fled for all I was worth. The river Bruinen was not far ahead. Once through it, we would be in the outer boundaries of Imladris. I thought of my nice soft straw, my stable mate Sailandil, bread rolls and apples slathered in cinnamon, a nice, tasty book (mmm, paper), my master. . . . Glorfindel. I could not let him down! Irritating or not, the elf princess was not actually that bad a rider. I could not go back and tell him the dark ones had claimed her. The problem was, the horses of the dark were fast. Not as fast as I am, but too fast to claim an easy victory over.
Despite my desperate endeavors, one of the dark riders drew nearly even with me. I briefly considered turning my head and biting him, but Arwen sensed my distraction and twitched the reins to keep my attention on the path. The rider beside me shrieked in triumph as he reached toward Frodo.
"Ride fast, Asfaloth!" Arwen cried to me just as we entered. . . . what a surprise, more trees.
I felt a sudden dread of our path further on as I sensed the presence of another servant of Sauron in the trees ahead, directly in our path.
'Ride fast,' I thought, for Glorfindel. If the dark ones had their way I would never see him again.
Suddenly, I was filled with a deep and unreasoning rage. This was so unfair! How dare they chase us? How dare they disregard the authority of Elrond and threaten his daughter and her charge?! There is not much for which I would fight, but I respected Elrond (my master spoke often and highly of him) and would do anything for Glorfindel. Arwen did not deserve this fate. Neither did I, but that is hardly consequential. My fear vanished completely in the wake of my wrath. They wanted a chase; I would give them a chase.
I increased my speed still more and this time, started to leave them behind. The other dark one was still in our path, but I no longer cared. They might still catch us, it was true. However, I was going to make it just as hard for them as I possibly could. I requested my head from Arwen, asking her to allow me to choose my own path. She seemed to have sensed my change in feelings, and granted my request instantly. I held my course for another pace, and then dived to the left, swinging tightly around a small pine, briefly surprising them. I had thrown them off now and they struggled to regain the ground they had lost. I tossed my head and dove to the right, feeling triumphant. They were not quite as taken aback this time, but they gained no ground back, and every foot we traveled brought us closer to home and safety. I swerved left and then right again, making sure to kick dirt in the faces of those who were closest. To her credit, Arwen stayed with me during my display of superior speed and agility almost as well as Glorfindel would have. He must have been the one who taught her to ride.
Then, approaching from my right, HE appeared. I was dismayed and almost stumbled, but just as quickly recognized him, the last rider to have appeared in my previous encounter with them, their leader. All tales told of the one who commanded them, the captain of the Nazgul. My fury again overcame my fear and I swerved to the right, easily avoiding him. I clenched my teeth as I ran, considering turning around and stomping him into the ground. He would make a nice rug for my stall doorway.
I felt the reins twitch as Arwen tightened her hold on me again. The problem with being able to communicate with elves is that they can often tell what you are thinking. I let her guide me and jumped over a fallen tree. I laughed inwardly as I did so, for it was wide and had been a great tree in its day.
'Just try to jump that,' I thought to the dark horses. With great satisfaction, I heard them jumping over it after me, then sliding and slipping in the mud. I, Asfaloth the Agile, never slip. I am an elvish horse after all.
The path turned slightly to the left and down a bank which I followed without thinking, and almost before I realized it, I was splashing across the Ford of the Bruinen. Bruinen means Loudwater in the Common Speech and I do not believe I have ever heard a more welcome sound in all my life.
I had to slow down as I entered the water and be more careful of where I placed my hooves. Arwen stopped me as we neared the far bank, and turned me to face the dark riders who had stopped at the far shore. I was rather surprised, for I had not believed that she would take such a course of action, but I was not complaining. I was trained by Glorfindel of Imladris. I never run away. Well, almost never.
Now that I could see them I saw that all nine were there, the horses neighing and their riders shrieking, for neither wished to enter the water. They were probably more powerful when together, for that is the way of such creatures, but I was not unduly worried.
I snorted a challenge and shook my head trying to appear a ferocious warhorse. Despite the fact that there were few battles to be fought in Imladris (who gets to eat the rose bushes first and who gets to chew through the elf-lord's bowstring before he turns around and sees basically summarizes the total excitement) and since my master was an elf-lord and might be required to command on a battlefield, he had trained me for years on how a warhorse is supposed to act. But my poses did not really help much. The dark riders paid me no heed whatsoever.
The dark captain stilled his horse and called to Arwen. "Give up the halfling, she-elf!"
I snorted again and half-reared (as a warhorse would), pretending the sound of his voice had not sent chills down my spine. Undomiel drew her sword. If nothing else, she was brave. No fear was evident in her voice as she cast forth her challenge.
"If you want him, come and claim him!"
The nine riders drew their swords and spurred their horses into the water. I smirked inwardly. Now they are encroaching on elvish ground and, evil though they may be, the battlefield is ours now, not theirs. Perhaps arrogance clouds their wits. After all, they were once human.
I prepared for the coming attack, but I felt Arwen shift as if her concentration had faltered and she was paying them no heed. Glorfindel never lost his focus, and once again I started wondering why I had to be the one she chose to carry her. But then I understood what she was doing as I heard her voice, quietly at first but increasingly commanding as it echoed off the surrounding hills.
"Waters from the Misty Mountains, listen to the great word;
Flow, waters of Loudwater, against the Ringwraiths.
Waters from the Misty Mountains, listen to the great word;
Flow, waters of Loudwater, against the Ringwraiths."
Again I reared and snorted. The foremost of the black horses was over half-way across the ford. At that moment there came a roaring and a rushing: a noise of loud waters rolling many stones. The River rose and down along its course there came a plumed cavalry of waves. White flames seemed to flicker on their crests and it seemed that I saw amid the water white riders upon beautiful white horses with frothing manes. The black horses were filled with madness. Leaping forward in terror they bore their riders down the stream, but were swiftly overtaken by the fast flowing water, and their piercing cries were drowned in the roaring of the river as it carried them away. I splashed in the water with my forehooves while briefly considering chasing them down and gloating over their destroyed bodies. But Arwen indicated that I should hold my ground. Frodo was moaning again and seemed to be worse.
I could feel Arwen starting to sheathe her sword as she turned back towards the bank. With that in mind, perhaps I should have been more careful since the water was still flowing swiftly. Instead, I tossed my head and jumped in the direction of the bank, nearly turning completely in mid-air for I was feeling rather gleeful that we had put the black riders to flight. As I did so, I felt Frodo starting to slide off my back. Arwen jerked, I suppose trying to catch him, and I saw Hadhafang fly over my head, arcing gracefully in the air and then vanishing under the waves. Not good. Not good at all. Arwen had not seemed to notice, being preoccupied with Frodo, but I was not looking forward when she did. I remembered clearly that Glorfindel had particularly asked her not to lose Hadhafang. I groaned inwardly. I was going to be orc-bait, I just knew it.
Arwen was starting to become rather impatient with me, for I was simply standing in the water, staring downstream at the path of the departed sword. But being the good, elvish horse I am, I turned away and scrambled up the bank at her insistence. At once, Arwen pulled me to a stop. She dismounted, pulling Frodo off after her, laying him on the ground. Horses do not study the healing craft, but Frodo certainly appeared to be dying. He was making some odd sort of choking, squealing noise and his eyes (which looked very odd) were glazing over.
"No!" Arwen cried. "Frodo, no!" Her eyes filled with tears and she shook him slightly. "Frodo, don't give in! Not now!"
Arwen's grief-stricken voice tore at my heart. I felt terribly saddened as Arwen held Frodo close, shutting her eyes and allowing a tear to trickle down her cheek. For a moment, it almost seemed to me as if she glowed. The wind blew over us, ruffling my mane. As it whispered by, I thought I heard words murmured by it, indistinguishable. Perhaps they were no more than a figment of my already overwrought imagination. But it seemed as though I heard, "What grace is given me, let it pass to him. Let him be spared. Save him."
I shook my head vigorously as I tried to regain my breath from the run. 'Stop it, Asfaloth,' I scolded myself. 'You cannot let your mind gallop away with you now. Arwen needs you.'
I heard a muffled sob from Arwen. She was still kneeling and clutching Frodo. I walked over and nuzzled her hair. In my experience, this never failed to get a reaction out of a person--either affection and appreciation, or complaints about horse slobber. In this case, it got neither. Arwen took a deep breath and rose. She said nothing, but turned and lifted Frodo up onto my back and mounted after him. I felt her pick up the reins and nudge me in the direction of Imladris. "Ride on, Asfaloth," she said. "Ride home." I needed no further encouragement.
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Here we bring you the top bows from each of the many bow companies on the market. While several of these companies have more than one new bow for 2009, (you can go to their websites to see the others) we didn't have enough room here to mention them all. We hope this gets you fired up for the bow season that is (unfortunately) still several months away.
Bowtech's newest bow, the Admiral, features all four of the concepts that we have defined the company. It has a Binary Cam system for easy maintenance. It won't go out of time easily. It features the center pivot riser and limb system. It has parallel limbs and it is a pleasure to shoot – fast and stable.
The Center Pivot riser system moves the pivot point of each limb toward its center so the limbs can still be long enough to spread stresses, but positioned in such a way that it they are parallel to each other even with a moderate brace height. Binary cams are hybrids that look like conventional dual cams but with the harnesses from each attached to the other cam so they can't easily go out of time. The Admiral has an amazing seven inches of draw length adjustability and a carbon string suppressor that lines up with the stabilizer to maximize recoil reduction.
Model: Bowtech Admiral
Website: www.bowtecharchery.com
Brace Height: 7 1/2 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 31 inches
Letoff: 65 to 80% adjustable
Advertised IBO speed: 312 to 320 fps
First off, the Cat Hybrid Duo Cam is a binary cam style for which the cams are slaved to each other; they cannot easily go out of time. Martin also amp'd up the speed of the Firecat from last year's version with this new cam. It has an adjustable hard draw stop allowing you to create a super-solid back wall right where you want it. Finally, the new Firecat also has a roller cable guard to reduce bow recoil.
As far as features go, you will find a rubber-covered rest shelf and a custom string and harness system that promise to offer low-stretch reliability. You will also find a leather grip for warmth, vibration reducing modules in the riser and a string suppressor. The Firecat has every one of Martin's top features.
Model: Martin Firecat
Website: http://www.martinarchery.com/
Brace Height: 7 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 80%
Advertised IBO speed: 335 to 345 fps
Mathews is now making two cam bows. While they have selected a very narrow band of products (two bows – the Monster and Monster XLR8) to carry the new system, it is huge news from the company that pioneered the single-cam. In no way is Mathews saying that the two-cam is better than the single-cam. They are just using their version of the two-cam for a specific purpose.
The AVS cam system is short for Advanced Vectoring System. This technology revolves around the way Mathews anchors the end of the cable to the opposite limb. The harness comes off one cam and then loops around two eccentric shaped elements, one on each side of the cam, on the other cam. Both cams (top and bottom) function the same and are mirror images of each other, just like a traditional two-cam bow. As the cams turn, these sidecar elements turn inside the looped harness ends so the cable can actually cross from one side of the axle to the other giving designers more ways to make the bow fast and smooth. The result is shocking.
Model: Mathews Monster
Website: http://www.mathewsinc.com/
Brace Height: 6 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 33 1/2 inches
Letoff: 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 350 fps
Rytera's new Alien X is one of the coolest looking bows on the market. It also has a smooth draw and is low maintenance due to its binary cam system. Many of today's bows look roughly the same and essentially shoot the same. They are all good, much better than anything we shot back in the 1990s. It is hard to stand out in this crowd except in a negative way. But the Alien X impressed with its lightweight, smooth draw, solid feel and fast arrow delivery.
By the way, Martin makes Rytera. The Alien X owes its good looks to a large number of cutouts in the riser that give it a very distinctive appearance. These cutouts also make the bow very light. It is one of the lightest bows on the market. It also has a moderate brace height and a roller cable guard. There isn't much else you could ask for with this bow except maybe a guarantee that a big buck will walk past this fall.
Model: Rytera Alien X
Website: http://www.rytera.com/
Brace Height: 7 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 330 to 340 fps
Matt McPherson calls the Reezon's new cam the most efficient, fastest single-cam system ever developed. Dealers will also love the cool Quick Change Axle that makes swapping out cams much easier. Since Mathews uses draw length specific cams, being able to swap out cams quickly makes the bow much more dealer friendly.
The Reezon 6.5 has many of the features that have made Mathews bow famous: narrow, parallel composite limbs for light weight, a roller cable guard for reduced recoil, harmonic dampeners in the riser and a professional grip.
Model: Mathews Reezon 6.5
Website: http://www.mathewsinc.com/
Brace Height: 6.5 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 340 fps
Not everyone wants a low brace height with a super aggressive cam system. In fact, there aren't that many situations where you really need that much raw speed. That is where the Bow Madness comes in – it is ideal for bowhunters looking for smooth shooting and moderate performance. Inspired by the relationship between Drury Outdoors and PSE, this bow shares its name with a television show the Drurys are producing for the Outdoor Channel.
The Bow Madness is one of the lightest adult bows on the market, weighing just 3 1/2 pounds. It features a smooth single-cam design and limbs that go well past parallel when you draw the bow. This limb geometry reduces recoil and hand shock.
Model: PSE Bow Madness
Website: http://www.pse-archery.com/
Brace Height: 7 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 80% adjustable to 65%
Advertised IBO speed: 318 to 326 fps
Darton is the originator of the hybrid cam and the binary cam. Seemingly, everyone in archery has licensed these technologies from Darton's Rex Darlington. So, there is no reason to expect that Rex's own baby would be without these advanced cams. The Pro 3500 features Darton's version of the binary cam system.
The G2 system balances the forces acting on the limb tips by splitting the harnesses and running them on both sides of the cam. The forces acting on the limb tips are balanced and that prevents cam lean that can result from limb tip torque. As a result, the bow produces very good nock travel for easy tuning. The Pro 3500 has a string suppressor near the middle of the string to eliminate any whip action that might occur when the string stops. This bow is fast and feels good in the hand.
Model: Darton Pro 3500
Website: http://www.dartonarchery.com/
Brace Height: 6 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 33 3/4 inches
Letoff: 75% Advertised
IBO speed: 338 to 343 fps
Diamond's Black Ice wasn't super fast but it was very smooth, had a great back wall, was quiet and fast enough. It was one of the best bows on the market when it cam out in early 2007. The Iceman has the same qualities but also exhibits Bowtech's Center Pivot riser design owing to the fact that Bowtech makes Diamond bows. If you are wondering why this design is significant, refer to the write-up we did on Bowtech's new Admiral.
We shot the Iceman at the ATA show. It is hard to remember every single bow when you shoot 30 or 40 of them in two days, but this one did make an impression. It had an aggressive draw, but was stable, fast and quiet. The single-cam used on the Iceman permits seven inches of draw length adjustability in 1/2 inch increments. It will probably fit everyone you know, making it easier to sell it or trade it or give to your children when you eventually upgrade.
Model: Diamond Iceman
Website: http://www.diamondarchery.com/
Brace Height: 7 1/8 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 31 1/2 inches
Letoff: 65 – 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 310 to 318 fps
Bear Archery has a very understandable product mix. They basically have bows for every price range. You can find a new Bear with a suggested retail price all the way from $330 up to $700. They are all good bow, but the top end bows simply have more features. The Game Over fits right into the middle of this range. These bows have string suppressors, single-cam systems and a smooth draw cycle. All carry a set of flared split limbs that give them a snappy, futuristic look. And all will a truck bed with whitetail deer.
The grip of the Game Over also has a very distinctive Bear graphic that looks great. This bow has a single string suppressor below the grip and is a bit slower than the top of the line Truth 2, mostly due to its higher, more forgiving brace height.
Model: Bear Game Over
Website: http://www.beararcheryproducts.com/
Brace Height: 7 3/4 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 33 inches
Letoff: 80%
Advertised IBO speed: 303 fps
The new AlphaMax 32 impressed us with its quiet performance, low hand shock, light weight and excellent speed. Really, that is the whole story for this bow, in a nutshell. It is the best bow Hoyt has ever made. If you like Hoyt bows, you will love the AlphaMax 32 or its big brother the 35.
You will find a new ZTR Cam & 1/2 system (a hybrid cam), parallel split limbs and a riser design with more cutouts – hence the drop in weight. The XTR cam permits easy draw length adjustment via rotating elements (no bow press required) and has a draw stop to assure a solid back wall. A spacer between the limbs assures precise limb alignment for consistent shooting. A string suppressor eliminates string vibration after the shot.
Model: Hoyt AlphaMax 32
Website: http://www.hoyt.com/
Brace Height: 7 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 75%
Advertised IBO speed: 321 fps
MSRP: $800 to $849
The Mission bow line is produced by Mathews Archery so it can offer lower priced products to consumers who want to own Mathews innovation and manufacturing, but can't afford all the bells and whistles. The Eliminator has everything you need on a hunting bow: parallel limbs, solid performance, a moderate brace height, a good grip and string suppressors for reduced string noise after the shot. But it is much less expensive than top-end bows.
With an MSRP of roughly $480, the Eliminator is at least reasonably affordable. If you don't need more, and can't really afford more, don't pay more.
Model: Mission Eliminator
Website: http://www.missionarchery.com/
Brace Height: 7 1/8 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 30 1/4 inches
Letoff: 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 310 fps
Quest bows are made by G5 Outdoors, a very good machine shop in Michigan that also makes broadheads, sights and rests. There are some very neat features on the XPB. One is the revolutionary cable guard system. It is a very simple, efficient design. The harnesses run through ceramic-glazed holes in the cable guard bar. It is like a roller guard but without the rollers.
Additional features include a Metrao custom string and harness system, factory installed limb and string silencers, a two piece laminated wood grip and a string suppressor. When G5 Outdoors (who makes the Quest bow) got into the bow market, they didn't mess around. It is as good a bow as there is on the market.
Model: Quest XPB
Website: http://www.questbowhunting.com/
Brace Height: 7 1/2 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 32 inches
Letoff: 80%
Advertised IBO speed: 320 to 324 fps
Bowtech purchased the Ross brand last year and is now producing a very nice new model called the Carnivore that has one very intriguing feature that sets it apart. This feature is called the Krank.
The Krank is a pulley at the end of the harness that would otherwise attach to the bottom cam in the hybrid system. Instead, a separate short mini-harness attaches to the cam, loops over the Krank and then back to the axles of the bottom limb. This gives the cam designers another pulley to play with as they create the ideal force versus draw curve and it also spreads the force of the harness equally to both sides of the limb tip for perfect balance and no draw-induced cam lean. The result is better nock travel and better arrow flight.
Model: Ross Carinivore Website:
Brace Height: 7 3/8 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 31 inches
Letoff: 65 to 80% adjustable
Advertised IBO speed: 310 to 318 fps
MSRP: $650 to $700
APA bows have odd-looking risers with carrying handles built into the grip section. The handle serves a more utilitarian purpose beyond simply making it easier to hold onto the bow. We never found that particularly hard before. Actually, the handle makes the riser stiffer and stronger in its midsection permitting the designers to make the grip itself smaller.
APA has been making fast bows longer than almost anyone. The new Black Mamba MX1 is fast; it features an advertised IBO speed rating of 352 fps. APA's new King Cobra is even faster with a brace height a shade over five inches; it blasts out advertised IBO speeds of 362 fps!
Model: APA Black Mamba MX1
Website: http://www.apaarchery.com/
Axle-to-Axle Length: 34 inches
Brace Height: 5 1/2 inches
Letoff: 75% Advertised
IBO speed: 352 FPS
Alpine employs a version of the hybrid cam called the Velocitec Hybrid. Both cams are slaved to each other in this binary style cam system. It has two harness take-up tracks on both cams, like the Darton and Bowtech systems. This produces a very balanced limb because the forces acting on the limb tips are equal on both sides of the cam. As a result, the cam won't torque to the side when you draw the bow and this promotes good arrow flight.
The Silverado Ventura is the first new bow from Alpine in the past three years that features a conventional riser instead of Alpine's multi-part risers that have been the standard offering on most recent bows. The Ventura is for those who simply prefer a conventional design. Other features include Alpine's VX Pocket that allows you to tightly clamp the two split limb halves together in the pocket for total security and zero movement during the shot. I shot the bow at the recent ATA Show and it was smooth, very quiet and exhibited virtually no hand shock. It was a pleasure to shoot.
Model: Alpine Siverado Ventura
Website: http://www.alpinearchery.com/
Brace Height: 7.75 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 35 inches
Letoff: 80%
Advertised IBO speed: 320 fps
We had a chance to shoot the new GT500 at the recent ATA Show and were very impressed. The bow is fast (we knew it would be). But what surprised us was how quiet it was how little hand shock it exhibited. It produces amazing speeds of up to 346 fps with a forgiving brace height of 7 1/8 inches.
As mentioned, the bow is nice and stable in the hand with good balance. We also liked the narrow grip which we are certain will help reduce bow hand torque making the bow even more forgiving.
Model: Elite GT500
Website: http://www.elitearchery.com/
Brace Height: 7.125
Axle-to-Axle Length: 35 Advertised
IBO speed: 346 fps
The DZ-30 is super short, that much is clear by the name (the "30" kind of gives that away). It also features a limb pocket that moves the limb forward (called the Rolling Fulcrum System) so that the bow can produce a modest brace height with reasonable length limbs that are parallel and a straight well-balanced riser. In many ways this pocket serves to have the same affect as the Center Pivot riser from Bowtech. You have to shoot the bow to appreciate how all these elements come together.
Other features include a fast hybrid cam, Winner's Choice Custom bowstring and harnesses, many bow silencing, rest silencing, arrow silencing and string silencing accessories (what else would you expect from the company that pioneered modern bow silencing). The bow was surprisingly stable and quiet when shooting a lightweight IBO arrow.
Model: Sims DZ-30
Website: http://www.limbsaver.com/
Brace Height: 7 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 30 inches
Letoff: 80% Advertised
IBO speed: 320 – 325 fps
We were not able to shoot the new Addiction at the ATA Show because it was still a work in progress. However, we did get to look at it – and study it. It has cool vulcanized rubber in the string slots of the cams. This reduces vibration in the bow and makes it quieter. It also has a hinged cable guard that lets the cables move sideways slightly at full draw to reduce side load and friction.
The Addiction also has machined aluminum tip overlays on the limbs to protect them from cracking. The string suppressor is spring loaded so it moves forward slightly when the string bottoms to fully cushion and dampen the string. It is not a hard stop. It is a great looking bow. I look forward to the next opportunity when I might be able to shoot it. It is due to be released in March of 2009.
Model: Full Force Addiction
Website: http://www.fullforcearchery.com/
Brace Height: 6 3/8 inches
Axle-to-Axle Length: 31 3/4 inches
Letoff: 75%
Advertised IBO speed: 337 to 342 fps
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In case the school is closed on the scheduled Tuesday, there will be no meeting of the Good Ole Sports.
Our quilting group meets on Mondays at 11:30. Experienced and new quilters are welcomed. We offer Bingo for our members every Tuesday at 1:00. We have a lot of fun. Various crafts are on Thursdays. We also have a variety of books, movies and puzzles for you to borrow.
Our dinner meetings are held on the 4th Wednesday of the month at noon. This month it will be Baked, stuffed chicken, salad, potato, vegetable, dessert, coffee and tea.Cost is still only $6.00 for members. You must call by noon on the Monday, before the meal, to cancel or add your name to the list. We must pay for all meals ordered.
Our monthly Wellness Clinic is on the same day before the meeting from 11:00-12:00. Nurse Sandy from the Rochester VNA will be here.
The Senior Center Office is open on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, from 11:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. We're located in the Community Center Building on Wakefield Street. Look for the red railings. Drop in and get a free copy of our latest newsletter, The Senior Scanner. It includes a calendar that lists all of our activities. Membership is open to all who are at least 50 years of age or more and you don't have to live in Rochester. Dues are still only $12.00 for the entire year.
Advanced line dancing classes are held on Fridays from 2:00 -3:00 p.m. Cost is $2 per class.
For more information please call (603)473-8324.


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March 19- N.E.W. DIRT officers made several changes in the 30th Anniversary schedule for the Seymour Speedway at their board meeting on Monday night.
The season opening 4th Annual Spring Thaw has been canceled for this season. With winter not giving up its grip this year, it will be impossible to get the track in race ready condition by April 6. The season opener is now set for Sunday night April 28. Racing will start at 5 PM and will feature 6 divisions on the 1/3 mile banked oval. The IMCA Modifieds, Stock Cars and Sport Mods are joined by the Street Stocks and 4 Cylinders. Also on the weekly programs will be the Fast Track Late Models.
The starting times for 2013 were also altered. During the entire month of May, racing will begin at 5 PM. Starting in June and for the rest of the season, racing will start at 6 PM.
Pit admissions were also discussed and are now set. Club members will pay $18.00 and non-members will pay $25.00. All drivers MUST be a club member and memberships are $10.00 for the season. Anyone interested in entering the pit is urged to get their membership before opening night to reduce congestion at the back gate.
The next club meeting is set for Monday night April 1st at 8 PM at the Crystal Springs Golf club in Seymour. Memberships and parking will be available at the meeting.


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