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VRBO Owner Withholding Damage Deposit, NO Recourse!
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KIRKLAND, WASHINGTON -- Don't rent through VRBO, if you expect any customer service. If you have a problem, you should expect them to side with the owner.
Use a credit card to pay, this is the only way that you have any recourse if the owner wants to withhold your deposit. Paypal considers this a service, so they will not give you the time of day.
Recently, June 30 - July 15, 2014, I rented a one bedroom condo, rental ID #421106, in Kirkland, WA, $85/night. I have a dispute with the owner about my 'damage' deposit.
The owner has already withheld part of my damage deposit. I ask that my deposit be returned.
The gist of the matter is that the owner is withholding a portion of my "damage" deposit, so that she can clean her carpets, in a vane attempt to remove the smell, the mold and mildew smell, that I did not cause. Here is how I found out that she is withhold my deposit :
Paypal note from owner:
Note from Sherrie [snip]:
Hello David, Because beyond normal cleaning was required to eliminate the order and mold due to the piled wet towels, I'm holding $100.00 of your damage deposit to cover professional carpet cleaning. Sherrie
I am a 50 year old man. I don't need the $100.00. It is simply unfair that she is withholding deposit, especially to deal with something that I suffered with my entire stay. I paid the money that I agreed to, for this cheap crappy place. I complained directly to the owner, and not in a review.
She is blaming me for the smell. Obvious to anyone who has been in a few old condos in the Pacific Northwest, this smell is from a long term problem. It was there when I arrived, and it will return soon, after she cleans her carpets.
Regarding her complaint about towels on the floor. I used one towel to dry myself my entire visit. I never put it on the floor, until the morning that I was to leave. I left it and two other towels that I had used to cover the couch, before I would not sit on it without a cover, on the floor so that the manager would know which towels I had used. I put dirty my sheets there too. I did not wet the towels, more then by drying myself after my shower and I wouldn't risk leaving something that I was going to use, on my body, on that carpet. It is not reasonable that these towels, left on the bathroom floor that morning, a half hour before I left, caused the mold and mildew smell.
The problem is that there is mold and mildew in her carpets. Among other issues, her bathroom has little ventilation and the shower curtain doesn't prevent water from getting on the carpeted floor. Over time, this has caused the carpets to smell. If she would check, the carpets not only smell in the bathroom, but they also smell in the living room.
I didn't cause this. I am simply the messenger. When I was there, I kept the fan on in this place, full-time, to keep the smell down.
This especially irks me, as the owner already takes $200 for cleaning, which is excessive based on charging $85/night. But fine, I had agreed to that. I have no problem, when treated respectfully. The cleaning fee was spelled out in the list of costs. However, to then withhold my damage deposit, when I did no damage, this is unfair.
The place is already overpriced, and low rent. When I arrived there was stolen and trashed car in the parking lot. The towels are cheap and warn, the sheets are cheap and the bottom sheet does not fit properly on the mattress, the comforter was made for bargain basement rayon and worn through in several places (manager says that they replaced that), the highest tech in the place is a VCR, the parking space is so small, if everyone in the building is parked in their spaces, you have to exit the build to get to your door, because you physically cannot get to the back of the garage to get in.
I wrote the owner about all of this, except for the part about the stolen car. I asked manager when got my key to report the car. A couple of days later someone hauled it away. But, there was a trash, abandoned car in the parking lot.
Finally, this place had previously received a bad review on the VRBO site, including mentioning the smell. I previewed the place because of that. At that time, in passing, I mentioned to the owner's manager Cecilia that there was a smell. It wasn't overwhelming and this was just one of many other little issues you might find in a crappy place. We agreed that the place was functional. I was already resigned and really stuck, so had no choice but to take it. When I arrived I also signed some kind of paper indicating that the place was in order, down to counting the spoons. It does not mention smell.
Here is the previous review:
title: Not even close to the 2 reviews I used to book this condo.
content: Local channels only on TV. No dishwasher soap, Half a roll of toilet paper, Not very clean, hamper in bathroom is moldy and smells terrible.
Stayed April 2014Submitted April 24, 2014Source VRBO
I do not agree with the owner's assessment that I caused this smell problem, and I am not willing to bear any part of the cost of fixing it. I simply reported it.
Besides, why would I report it, if I had caused it? I also called the owner's manager that morning, mentioned the smell and told her that I had sent an email to Sherri. She called later and told me that Sherri had received my email and was not very happy. She mentioned the towels, but she did not say that I was going to get charged for damages. I just ignored it. Again, I put them there for their convenience.
If I had caused the smell, why would I tell them about it? I didn't cause the worn towels or the comforter. They don't charge me for them, because they know that it's not me. I am simply the messenger here.
Don't charge the messenger.
I want my money back! I want payment for my wasted time. I already paid an agreed upon amount, to stay in this rental. I shouldn't be wasting my time, defending my actions. I did nothing wrong. If anything, I was a great tenant. I was never there. It was too unpleasant. I slept there only.
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CHESTERTOWN, NEW JERSEY -- Because I mentioned the amount of the security deposit, VRBO won't publish my review, and they refuse to respond to the the help request I sent asking them to revise it. My emails go unanswered. Here is my review:
We and three other couples rented this house for a long weekend. The PROS:The house is very nice and the kitchen was furnished for cooking. It's got nice rooms, a nice property & I like that we didn't all have to share one bathroom.
The CONS: I was disappointed that after we agreed on a price the owner informed us that the hot tub was broken but didn't offer to give us a discount. I felt that would have been fair, but let it go. After dinner the first night the sink garbage disposal got clogged. When we started to gather in the living room to play games we couldn't get the living room lights on, and found one of the leather sling chair's stitching was loose so that we couldn't use it. It was late for calling the caretaker, so I called the next morning. I told her about the 3 items & informed the man who came to fix the disposal & the lights that the wood under the sink was rotten & moldy from the disposal having a long term leak. He took care of the lights (circuit breaker issue), took the chair with him & fixed the clog in the disposal. So far so good.
A month later & I still hadn't received my $300 security deposit. I call the owner & he informs me that the chair is being looked at by the insurance adjuster & that he's holding my deposit. I told him that we didn't break the chair -- that the stitching was loose & I was merely letting them know as a courtesy, same as I'd like renters to let me know of anything that needs attention in my own rental. He then proceeds to challenge me: the chair was fine the day before when it was dusted, he hadn't seen it broken the last time he was there, etc. When I explained that we never even had the opportunity to use the chair, he got a bit heated & insisted that all was well prior to our arrival. (Luckily he didn't accuse us of causing the rotten, mildewed floor under the sink, too, since no one had apparently ever noticed that, either!) He eventually agreed to send my deposit back, but not after basically calling me a liar & getting quite nasty.
We've rented houses for years both in the US & in Europe. I've generally been pleased & often we end up returning to places year after year. One couple we were with was going to rent this home until I told them about the homeowner's behavior, when they decided to steer clear. The whole incident left a very bad taste in my mouth & ruined what otherwise would have been a very nice weekend.
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VRBO #149919 in Park City, Utah
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PARK CITY, UTAH -- We were excited to stay at this rental because the reviews on VRBO all sounded so wonderful. Didn't know at the time that VRBO owners have control over posting their reviews, so potential renters will never see the negative reviews. Our experience turned negative during our stay, and has soured our memories of the trip to the point that we will probably not ever rent another VRBO again.
Two things happened. First, this rental advertises "a secure GARAGE PARKING, which is heated in the winter time, with RESERVED PARKING space (Floor/level 1)". WOW, this is great in theory. The problem we had is that on our 2nd night there, someone else parked in the reserved parking space for our rental. After discussing the situation with the on-site office manager, we were told we could not have a pass to park out in one of the many spaces out front (the easiest solution for all), nor could we park anywhere else BUT our supposedly reserved spot. She was not very helpful, probably since we were renting from a private condo owner, and the office manager was there to represent condo owners who used HER services to rent their condos vs. VRBO. A towing policy was posted on signs in the parking garage for those who violated, so we had to call a tow truck to remove the offending vehicle, and my husband wasted 2 hours of precious vacation time dealing with the tow truck process so that we could just park our car for the night. The first tow truck was too big to fit through the garage door opening, and we had to wait for a second truck to show up. Then we had to worry about having damage done to our rental vehicle, keying or whatever, due to an upset owner of the towed vehicle. It cost this guy $250 to get his car back. So lesson here is (1) definitely don't park in anyone else's reserved spot, and (2) heaven forbid that someone else park in your reserved spot as YOU will get stuck wasting your vacation time to arrange for towing just so you can park your car. I'm not personally blaming the condo owners for this incident at all, but just noting it is a "benefit" - ? of this rental that can quickly turn into an undesirable situation for you.
The second thing that happened concerned the king-size master bed. My husband (6' tall, 190 lbs. - normal weight!) went to lie down, by himself, for a short nap on the afternoon of our last full day. After a few seconds, the side board of the bed collapsed. It was made of some type of softwood, with large grain variations and knotholes galore. The sudden drop actually jarred my husband's back. We called the local property manager immediately, and waited 1 1/2 hours for him to show up. He looked at it and we all noted that the weak point seemed to have been a rather large knothole right smack in the middle of this sideboard. We sent the condo owners a cell phone picture of the damaged board. The condo owner husband quickly texted back that he was sorry for the inconvenience, and that it appeared to him as well that the knothole was a weak point AND stated to us that he was a safety inspector for his career. THEN, the real problem started - the tune changed when the condo owner wife got the news. She called me about 2 hours later, and started making accusations that my husband or I must have stood on the side rail to cause it to fail. I told her we certainly did not. All we did was sleep in the bed during our stay, nothing else, if you get my drift (and I'm 5'6", 128 lbs. - normal weight, just like my husband). She was wanting us to pay for the damages, claiming we had CAUSED the problem. If we had caused any damages, we certainly would have offered to pay up, in a heartbeat - we are honorable, church-going people. But we had done no harm. If a 190 lb. person lying on a bed results in the bed collapsing on one side, then one has to question the integrity of the bed. When inspecting the bed after the collapse, while the property manager was still there with us, it was noted that the bed had no vertical supports underneath the mattress and that the bed side rail had an inferior quality wood that was used to support the horizontal slats underneath (at the point where they connected to the side rail). Most of the weight to support this bed was resting on these side rails. Paired with all the knotholes in the wood, it was clearly an accident waiting to happen. I'll save you the long story of the next few days concerning all the phone calls and e-mails from the condo owner wife seeking payment from us. Her husband seemed to be understanding that an accident had occurred, through no fault of ours, but she wanted to place blame and was unreasonable, in our opinion, to talk to. Bottom line, she deducted the money from our $400 security deposit to repair this obviously faulty bed. We came away from this experience grateful that something more expensive had not failed during our stay - a heater, a refrigerator..... as we surely would have been blamed if it had quit functioning properly during our stay.
So do yourself a favor. Don't assume, like we did, that just because a VRBO has favorable reviews that you will have an enjoyable experience with that rental. Truth be told, if the condo owner wife had been more sympathetic and understanding, we probably would have offered to pay for some or all of the damage of this unstable bed on our own initiative, just out of human kindness. But she insisted from the start on falsely accusing us of directly CAUSING the damage (stepping on the side rail - which we did not do), and that does not make for a very conducive environment for reaching a settlement. No one likes to be falsely accused. I would not rent this VRBO again, or any other unit, from these owners.
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WARNING WARNING --- VRBO did not post my negative review
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Be careful of renting through VRBO they are for the Home owners and not the Home renter. They will not post a negative review.
I stayed in a house with a pool in Rancho Mirage this spring. It wasn't cheap, but I was prepared to speed the money.. It also including a $1000.00 damage deposit... One week after our stay I sent the home owner a text message asking for the return of my deposit. Text came back saying no problem, they would be seeing their Accountant that week and a cheque would be put into the mail.... Right ....It's June and no replies to my text messages, emails, or phone messages.. I know that my text messages are being read as I have an iPhone, and so do they. With iPhone to iPhone texts you can see that.
So I let them know that I would post an unfavorable review as, they have not returned my damage deposit .. And I do not want that to happen to anyone else... I also feel really stupid that I paid them what they were asking for, it was worth maybe a third of what I paid them.
So I wanted to post a review with VRBO, and 3 times it has been rejected . So here I am on this site...
Beware of property 450223.
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Vrbo reviews are not reflecting truth
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KIHEI MAUI, HAWAII -- We rented this unit a year ago for a month on the first day found out it was infested with bed bugs. Needless to say we left his condo and rented another. After much discussion the owner refused to reimburse actually had the audacity to accuse us of bringing the bed bugs into his unit which the mattress was blackened from bed bug feces. We were contacted after from another woman who had dealt with the same thing in September. Then another man in April of 2012 also had rented this condo with almost the story as us and the same results. I actually contacted the latter and we both had written in our complaints to Vrbo. Neither one got posted but miraculously I see two postings now on his site and amazingly both go on about what a great guy he is and how lovely his condo is. The pictures on his site have the same delapated lamps and the mattress covers are the same ones that had the bed bugs all over them. Also somehow when you Google Vrbo and his condo number it has a 5 star rating.?? This is sad that he can get away with these comments and advertising it as a 5 star rating. Don t know how that can even be possible? .... So don't go by the reviews as they don't reflect the truth Read tripadisor...
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The absolute WORST website I ever used!
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A friend of mine who owns a condo in Myrtle Beach and has a website on VRBO.com asked me to take over running his rental property this summer because hes getting older and just doesn't want to do it. He had a guy last year running it who totally ripped him off, so I have been trying to edit the property page on the website. I log into his account, and cannot edit the page. First it tells me there are technical problems and to try back later, now its telling me there are no properties to edit, then when I try to click on edit from the page itself, I get an error telling me page can't be found.....Fantastic....So I log onto the forum page for the website, and everyone on the site tells me they are having no troubles with the site. So I try to contact them and the ONLY way to contact them is either emailing them, or sending message them with YOUR phone number and they will call YOU? What the heck kind of BS is that? Of course they have a phone number on their site for "sales" calls in case you want to give them your hard earned money for crappy customer service! From what my friend tells me, he paid a LOT of money to advertise on this site too and this is the kind of BS you have to deal with? I sent them an email and they tell me it can take up to 3 days for them to respond???? So meanwhile I am unable to get any inquiries or update for any potential renters while I wait for them to get to the email that apparently takes longer to get a response from than sending a letter with a stamp on it. So I try the phone number thing, thinking maybe I'll get a quicker response.....I enter my phone number and hit submit and all I get is a blank screen....So I have no clue if they even got the message or not. Unbelievable. What a crock! If I had known about this site before he signed up, I never would have let him sign up for this crap!
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VRBO is a SCAM
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VRBO is misleading
I have used VRBO a few times now, and about to again but my intuition is telling me not to. I shouldn't ignore the facts. My first VRBO rental was disgusting. The owner posted pictures of a home that had clearly been taken years earlier, when the house actually was livable. Everything in the home was broken and it looked like a foreclosure property. The pool didn't work, the grass was overgrown, every cabinet and door knob was missing, there were holes in the walls and stains in the carpet. They took arial photos of the properties which were just wide enough to NOT show the plethora of garbage and broken down fences which surrounded the property. My second rental in Tucson was better - the owner was very attentive, yet it was clear that the home had not been cleaned sufficiently before we arrived. It was a nice home, but had only received a light "wipe down" and a quick vacuum before we arrived. There's something about someone else's sticky glass stains that gross me out... The last rental was a similar process I have been noticing on VRBO. Many people will post very beautiful properties with attractive rates, show availability, yet when you email them, they are NEVER available and direct you to their private websites for their other properties, cutting VRBO and your protection out of the equation. These are horrible, unethical tactics, but clearly there is no supervision or consumer protection to prevent this from happening. Finally - here's what has happened to me FOUR times now...an owner agrees to the dates and rates via email and I wait patiently for the contract, which never comes, because they use my confirmation as a way to negotiate the rate up to another renter who is willing to pay more, never giving me a chance to rebid because VRBO prohibits bidding wars. So people do it in private and never tell you, thus screwing the renter yet again. What's sad is that most renters leave the properties in better condition than when they arrived, and are held hostage by not knowing a particular location or if the crime in the area is rampant - you can do all the internet searching you want but unless you've physically been to a specific location, you are at the mercy of the property owner, who I have found, is typically a huge liar.
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Beware RentJaco.com
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A friend and I booked this property via vrbo.com for two nights (including New Yearâs Eve) and immediately wired payment, including a $25 cleaning fee. Joe Scrivo, the owner, assured us that the condo would be ready for our 2 pm arrival. I arrived early (approximately 11 am), and the condo was an absolute horror show; it had not been cleaned from the previous guests. The sink was piled high with dirty dishes, trash was everywhere (including beer bottles both in and around the property), dirty towels were on the floor, and the entire condo reeked of smoke. The shower was filled with sand--so much sand, in fact, that the water could not drain properly. All three beds had been slept in and were unmade. To top it all off, there were broken eggs littering the entrance.
I immediately contacted Joe via email; I gave him the benefit of the doubt since I was three hours early. To his credit, he wrote back immediately. He told me that I needed to find the cleaning lady and get her working on it. Of course, I did not know the cleaning lady and it wasnât until 2:30 pm when she finally showed up on her bicycle. She told me that the condo would be ready by 3:30, so we waited. And waited. And waited some more. We sat outside the condo from 11 am until 5:30 pm, when the cleaning job was finally completeâ¦sort of. The towels that she gave us were damp, and the bedding consisted of only a fitted sheet and a flat sheet (no mattress pad or bedspread).
By 5:30 pm, we had lost both an entire day in Jaco as well as qualitative planning time, since we had hoped to book an excursion to Tortuga Island for the following day. I emailed Joe to give him an update and let him know that we were finally able to get into the condo at 5:30 pm. He wrote back that he, too, was on vacation and had been disappointed because his rental didnât have internet and had not been cleaned either. I regret that he had a similar experience, but it does not lessen the fact that he manages the Jaco property and should have been responsible for ensuring that it was ready for our arrival.
I tried to resolve this amicably with Joe via email, and he offered me a free night in Jaco. I explained that I do not plan on returning to Jaco, in part because of my rental experience at rentjaco.com, and requested monetary compensation to cover lost time. Joe has not responded to my request.
I would not recommend this property to anyone. There are much nicer, cleaner properties throughout Jaco; do not waste your time and money at this rental.
Unfortunately, vrbo.com allows owners to "opt out" of reviews. So, any potentially negative reviews will not be seen by prospective renters. Shame on VRBO!
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PHOENIX, ARIZONA -- In Jan 10, I entered into a rental agreement with the owner (a real estate agent) of a house in Phoenix, AZ, listed under VRBO #50260. The house was normally rented by the month, but with no Jan occupancy of the property she willingly agreed to a "last minute" rental for a one week period commencing 18 Jan 10.
On 18 Jan a major winter storm shut down our transportation hub and we were unable to get to Phoenix without incurring significant alternate transportation costs. I called the owner that morning to discuss options. She agreed to a postponement for a week to be determined later in 2010. She retained our cleaning & refurbishing and rent monies for the later week. So far, so good.
In May I called to arrange for a week in Nov 10 that was convenient for her. Unfortunately, it wasn't that easy. She reopened negotiations on what I thought was a done deal. After many follow-up calls and e-mails, she indicated we could only rent for a minimum half month even though she had no bookings for Nov. She also said we had to pay an additional $90 for cleaning & refurb, on top of the $90 already paid. We settled on a 12 day agreement. When the contract arrived, it called for 11 days for the price of the 12, and demanded yet another $90 for cleaning & refurb (for a total cleaning bill of $270). So much for the week postponement.
I questioned the additional charges. She realized I was unwilling to enter into an inflated arrangement. She decided to return the rent payment. She said she would be retaining the $90 because it was spent on cleaning and refurbishing in advance of our planned arrival in Jan. Interestingly, the owner was the last to inhabit the house in early Jan.
Three weeks later she decided to renege on her decision to return our rent.
The owner realizes I am prepared not to let this rest. In the interim, I have offered her the opportunity to make things right, which I will report here. Further action is being considered. Until that time, do not trust her to keep her word; in fact, be very careful about entering into a rental arrangement with her unless you are prepared to forfeit some of your funds.
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VRBO sucks
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They posted my negative review of a property - which two people found useful. Next thing I know I have a note from VRBO saying the review they posted wasn't posted, and an email from the property owner trying to make up by refunding part of a security deposit she withheld from me. VRBO is a disappointment and NOT trustworthy. Do Not Rely On Their Information.
The property is listing # 233549. Here's my review, in case anyone else has the misfortune of renting here. It's a home n Santa Cruz, CA.
"We stayed three nights in May to celebrate our wedding anniversary. The house is cozy and charming, and feels larger than it is. The backyard is also very pretty. It is two blocks from the beach, but this route to the beach is inaccessible during high tide, and you must walk about seven blocks down a busy road to reach a more reliable access point. Beyond that, the home is well equipped and comfortable. It comes with music, wi-fi, movies, plenty of dishes and cooking utensils, and most kitchen Staples. We encountered two drawbacks. The first was the owner, who was intrusive. She sent the gardener over twice to check up on us. It's uncomfortable staying in a house, especially a small one, with a stranger in the backyard. After we left she counted the number of empty bottles of alcohol that we had placed in the outside recycling bin and reported this to us in a letter. We had a dinner party for eight one night to celebrate our wedding anniversary. She charged us $50, ostensibly because my sister and brother stayed over that one night, but in a letter to me she mentioned that she also had to remove bottles from the recycling bin. The owner lists the property as dog friendly but there are a lot of ticks in the area, which was the second drawback. We let our Labradoodle into the back yard once, supervised and on a leash, and pulled 16 ticks off of her. We found three more crawling in the house and one dead on the bedroom floor. The owner also charged us $50 for "trampled" plants – allegedly by our dog, who didn't go out back unsupervised. I suspect it was more likely a wild animal, raccoon or skunk or whatever brings the ticks in. I want to give the owner the benefit of the doubt, which is why I'm giving this property three stars instead of two. Perhaps she was worried about the dog and in that case should not list this property as pet friendly. Or maybe she likes cataloguing her tenant's refuse (however if use of recycling bins is not permitted then the contract should make this clear, or steer clear of making assumptions about her renters). But the gardener and the bottle counting lead me to believe that this home might be better if it were owner-occupied. "
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Phoronix: A Duo Of Peculiar Games Being Ported To Linux
Replay Games has written into Phoronix to talk about two commercial game titles that they will be bringing to Linux...
How about they release the source code?
No, that's what I thought.
They want free money from the community but they don't want to share the source code with the community, they want to hoard on it themselves.
I hate this and I'm disgusted by all of you zealots hating on everyone who just happen to have a different (read: pragmatic) world view than you.
The "OMG zealots kidnapping your children" FUD mostly comes from people who misunderstand FLOSS activists and what they are saying.
Most of us zealots want essential elements of computing to be available to everyone, including source code: infrastructure, operating system, standard tools everybody relies on, as well as anything that you have to use. In addition, most of us zealots are already happy if we have ONE FLOSS option for each of those, which is fully featured and can freely exchange documents with closed source applications: give me Firefox, KMail and LibreOffice, and you can keep Opera, Eudora and MS Office -- as long as we can all exchange documents without anyone being locked in.
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These people does not have any game.
Who knows, maybe there wont be any game?
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1. If we're ever going to play protected video (DVDs, HD/BD) then we have to protect the decoded bitmaps all the way to the frame buffer, and we can't do that in an open driver.
2. For workstation business we invest a lot of money in performance-related driver work and wouldn't want to open source that because some of that work *is* useful to competitors.
Since we're not playing protected video today we could convert to use more open source in the short term, but by the time we finished that it would probably be time to start converting back
IMO the best strategy is to have open AND closed drivers and use each one where it fits best.
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Ahh, I think I see the problem. We did a bunch of interviews back at the initial announcment, and I talked about roadmap and schedule in many of them. When I go back and look at the articles it looks like many of them didn't bother with that much detail. Michael was pretty much the only one who asked technical questions and we spent more time talking about implementation plans, how far the open source support would go, differences between the GPU generations, AtomBIOS and the like.
I talked about roadmap and schedule so much I literally never wanted to discuss the subject for the rest of my life, particularly since all the schedules were based on putting together a big heap of estimates, but for all that apparently the roadmap didn't get out to the public as much as I thought.
Sequence of implementation is display/modesetting, then 2d acceleration, then 3d acceleration, then video. The reason for that sequence is :
- a display/modesetting driver is quite useful on its own, albeit a bit sluggish with those big monitors you all seem to have (runs real fast on my 17" )
- you need display first or you can't see what you're doing for the other phases
- 2d acceleration hardware doesn't really change much from earlier ASICs -- only real change is with R6xx where it's emulated by the command processor. Existing code *and* existing documentation were sufficient, although I need to re-release the R200 era docs so new developers can join in
- 2d acceleration was also a nice safe way to get the DRM going which could then serve as a foundation for 3d
- programming model for the 3d hardware didn't seem much different from earlier ASICs (as long as we weren't trying to take advantage of all the new features) but we weren't 100% sure and needed time to put documentation together.
- video in 5xx+ ASICs is completely different from earlier ASICs, since we took most of the dedicated image processing hardware out of the overlay and used the space for more shaders. The good news is that we can do cooler things with shaders than fixed hardware -- bad thing is that it means video support has to come *after* 3d support whereas on previous ASICs it was easy to do first
The schedule we expected was roughly :
- display/modesetting lighting up in 3Q07
- 2D acceleration lighting up in 4Q07
- 3D acceleration lighting up in 1Q08
- video acceleration lighting up in 2Q08
By "lighting up" I mean "working for most users, enough functionality for many people, but we'll be adding features and handling corner cases & systems for months afterwards.
If anyone has heard different roadmaps, please let me know.
Last edited by bridgman; 02-01-2008 at 03:08 PM.
You will not be in legal hot water if you do so obviously, while still making sure that the open source driver does 'everything'.
That's something different, and we are still going to try to do that. I'm just warning everyone that unless we find a way to enable use of UVD in an open driver without compromising the DRM in the closed driver I can't say that we will go any further than the IDCT/MC acceleration. We do DRM and decode in the same block, so exposing one without exposing the other is not necessarily possible.
We've got no problem with trying to enable decoding of non-protected content in the short term, assuming we can get around DRM and legal risks. I just have a problem with proposing to move fglrx on top of an open source driver if we would have to move it all back again to play protected content in the future.
By my experience it will be hard for fglrx to top open drivers on some fields. One may argue fglrx will improve .... well maybe,but who will report bugs to you guys ? I mean if everybody use open drivers (and I'm sure most people will if the quality is ok) the fglrx will experience problems. That's why the "blob module" seemed a better solution for me.
As for protected content support... Are there really users who want that ? From the other topic on phoronix forums I came to conclusion it was more a wish for hardware decoding but not for playing protected drmed content(just for normal unprotected h.264).
Anyway AMD sure is the best right now when it comes to contact with community. Thanks for that and for your answers Bridgman... and time you spent here and various irc chanels . That's one of the reasons which made me choose a notebook with rs690 with the hope for future support
About the "glacially slow" issue I think some people get a bit impatient because they already own ati hardware... that's all.
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What I expect is that more people will use the open source driver than the closed source driver, but the people using the closed source driver will continue to enthusiastically express their feelings when they're not happy with it
Besides, what happens when Crysis shows up on Linux ?
EDIT - I just noticed this is the Intel docs thread. We should move somewhere else. Keith and others put in a lot of hard work to get those docs out -- let's show them some respect
Good question. Right now it's a chicken/egg situation -- no secure driver, no certified player, no problemwell right now dell offers laptops with intel graphics so I wonder what will intel and dell do with BD ? they don't have closed drivers...
Of course nobody knows if there's a market for a certified player app that can legally play HD/BD on Linux anyways.


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Type 1 diabetes
Type 1 diabetes was formerly called "juvenile diabetes" or "insulin-dependent diabetes," because 70 percent of diagnoses occur before a person reaches the age of 30. However, it can be diagnosed at any age. Only 5 percent to 10 percent of those diagnosed with diabetes have this type. With type 1 diabetes, the pancreas produces little to no insulin.
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This type of diabetes was previously called "adult onset diabetes." But according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, type 2 diabetes has been reported among U.S. children and adolescents with increasing frequency over the past 20 years. Ninety percent of those with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. And approximately 80 percent of people with type 2 diabetes are overweight. With type 2 diabetes, your body either resists the effects of insulin or doesn't produce enough insulin to maintain a normal blood sugar level.
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Gestational diabetes
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Surgically induced diabetes
When surgery is performed on the pancreas for any reason, there's a risk that its ability to produce insulin will change. This condition may be temporary or permanent. If you have this type of surgery, frequent testing of blood sugar is needed to monitor whether or when medications or insulin injections may be necessary.
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Some types of medication can cause your blood sugar level to be higher than normal. Steroids, specifically cortisone or prednisone, are the most common cause of such high blood sugar. Treatment may include prescription oral diabetes medication or insulin.
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Ultimately, regardless of the type of diabetes you have, the best way for you to care for yourself is to eat healthfully, test your blood sugar as recommended by your health care provider, schedule routine follow-up care with your health care team, take your oral medication, insulin or both, and wear a medical alert bracelet or other identifier if you take insulin. Blood pressure control and cholesterol management is also important.
Even if you don't have diabetes, healthy eating and exercise is good for you and may even prevent or delay the onset of type 2 diabetes.
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This article was very good but there are more then 6 types of diabetes. I believe that if you are going to write the article at all you must have accurate information. THANKS!
Is there any more Different types of diabetes. one that the Kidneys are involved?
There is also Diabetes Insipidus.
Sorry, I should clarify my last post. My A1C was just tested last week and it was been 7 months since giving birth.
I had gestational diabetes and my A1C levels came back at 5.8 which is right over the line for pre-diabetic. I went to a nutrion course during my gestational diabetes and learned how to control it with diet and that was successful. It was solely based on a carb count formula for each meal and snack. My question: can I follow this same diet approach for trying to reduce my A1C numbers or does the diets change between gestational and normal diabetes?
Hi, been reading all your posts and the article, what I can understand is tha type 1 is the diabetes kind that are born with, that could be the reason is diagnosed on young age.. type 2 primarily its because bad food habits and lack of exercise, am I correct??
But, what of those (like myself) that have diabetes history in tha family?? That is parent and grandparents?? Always heard diabets could be inherited, if id been dignosed with diabetes,what type would I be?? 1 or 2?? Since, we pressume I was born with a high possobility on being a diabetic.
I have morning highs and if I skip meals I go high (300+). When I eat it doesn't go so high. Is my liver producing too much glucose when I'm hungry? Sometimes I think my insulin is okay with any sugar except my own. I'm really confused.
It seems any grains, wheat, starch of any type triggers yeast infection type symptoms down there. I was told I didn't need medication at this point. Am I only suppose to eat meat and veggies?? No fruit or whole grains?
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I am 71 and was diagnosed with type I diabetes at the age of 30.
One thing that is rarely talked about is the fact that it affects not only the production of insulin, but also that of glucagon which makes it so complicated to manage.
People in my entourage never quite understood
my situation. More so when, without knowing, I was developing an intolerance to gluten that provoked inexplicable hypoglycemia occurrences for many years before being tested for coeliac disease.
A more complete discussion of this immune system failure would help.
Thank you.
my husband has just had DKA he was in high dependency unit at hospital, people need to know just how serious this condition can be
Is it possible to have some of the symptoms of diabetes because of a damaged immune system?
How about those of us with gastric phoresis which I never heard about until last December.
My son is going to be eight on september and he weights oneeleve We eat all together but he seems never to fill up he might be like wanting to vomit but he cant stop eating drinking anithing Ive tried hiding stuff locking the fridge but dont know what is wrong with him his pediatrician said he doesnt have diabetes thank god but he constantly urinates,his feet hurt so bad he coul bearly walk hands all swollen, what this might be?He was checked for thyroid something like that and that wasnt the problem.
First of all, thank you for this great article. It is the best description of types I have seen. I have had type 1 since I was 5, and even my own doctors and nurses have confused me with a type 2 as an adult. It is very frustrating!
Ramsey, your comment really touched me. I have had the same experience, and agree many people with diabetes are obsessed with diet. I'm not sure what type you have, but since I'm on an insulin pump I have found it very easy to take insulin for food. I rarely have trouble with before and after mealtime numbers. However when I exercise or am just doing work, I have unexplainable numbers. I have never found a pattern, and my doctors finally admitted they will never know what causes it. It just takes constant checking and trial and error. It's definitely not easy!
do any other type 1s have fits as a result of hypo's?
Hi Mary: You are to be commended for the lifestyle changes that you made! Diabetes is progressive as over time you continue to lose beta cell function and make less insulin. You can be doing all the right things and diabetes will progress. For some, the progression is sooner rather than later (type 2). You are doing the right thing by working with your health care provider. Insulin appears to be a reasonable choice.
Help, please. I have been Type 2 for three years, have lost weight, exercise regularly and am pretty good with my diet. It seemed like everything was going okay as long as we added a new medicine every now and again to handle morning highs, late evening spikes or what have you. Not long ago my A1c was 5.5 but my daily readings were all over the place. This last round of blood work saw my A1c jump to 6.4 and my numbers are still way off. We're trying insulin. I had my first round of "normal" numbers in months last night and this morning. Why did the move to insulin happen so fast? Are we overreacting? It seems like the right thing to do but at the same time it doesn't make sense.
I am 65 and have been noticing my fasting glucose rising the last few years. My doctor told me he would let me know when to go on medicine, but i knew enough to educate myself. I went off of wheat and lost 8 pounds, but that did not help my fasting blood sugar. I bought a monitor, and I saw that any grains or starches sent my blood sugar to 200, and it came down slowly. I steer clear of any sugar. The only way to keep my blood sugar in the 120 range an hour after I eat is to eat only protein and green veggies. I now weigh about 120 and have exercised daily for years. My A1c is 5.2% because I am a very disciplined eater, but my fasting is still between 105-120. I take 1000 metformin at dinner. That does not seem to bring it down any. If I ate anything I wanted no telling how high it would be all day. Do I need to figure out what type of pre diabetes I have? How important is it to get my fasting numbers in the 80's? What more can i do? Will i get worse as I age? My mother had dementia and then was diagnosed with full on diabetes. She was put on insulin. I think she went undiagnosed because she was very disciplined until her dementia took over.
There is a big focus on diet no matter what type of diabetes you have, it is part of the balancing act (medication/insulin, diet, and activity). I don't know what type of diabetes you have but you sound like someone that is insulin deficient and people with type 1 or insulin deficient type 2 do have more variable blood glucoses and need to do pattern management. Discuss this with your provider or diabetes educator.
In most of the diabetes forums I have visited there is an apparent obsession with diet. But with my particular kind of type 2 diabetes, I had drastically lost weight - about 40 pounds - before I was diagnosed four years ago. I did not have 40 pounds to lose however and doctors told me regaining my weight was paramount.It took me more than a year to regain the weight and now although my blood sugar is still a little high - in the 100 to 140 range normally - however there is seemingly little, if any, correlation with what I eat. My blood sugar rises and falls regularly regardless of what I eat or even if I eat on any given day.
Is this some weird variation of the disease? In talking with other diabetes victims it is like I am from Mars and everyone else is from Venus.
My A1C has been 6.8 - 7.3 up and down for the last couple of years. I exercise every day and watch my diet. For 20 years my sugar has slowly been going up. Will high sugar affect some areas if not on meds?
Can you please let me know how we can clinically differentiate a case of Type 1 from Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus?Is it then mandatory then to estimate fasting Insulin levels in blood in order to clinch the diagnosis?
A1c less than 7.0
What is the safe range for type 2 diabetes.
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(There may also be additional requirements that apply before you are permitted into an actual classroom to practice teach.)
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29-1122.00 - Occupational Therapists
Assess, plan, organize, and participate in rehabilitative programs that help build or restore vocational, homemaking, and daily living skills, as well as general independence, to persons with disabilities or developmental delays.
Sample of reported job titles: Assistive Technology Trainer, Early Intervention Occupational Therapist, Industrial Rehabilitation Consultant, Occupational Therapist (OT), Occupational Therapy Co-Director, Pediatric Occupational Therapist, Registered Occupational Therapist, Rehabilitation Supervisor, Staff Occupational Therapist, Staff Therapist
Also see: Low Vision Therapists, Orientation and Mobility Specialists, and Vision Rehabilitation Therapists
Tasks | Tools & Technology | Knowledge | Skills | Abilities | Work Activities | Work Context | Job Zone | Education | Credentials | Interests | Work Styles | Work Values | Related Occupations | Wages & Employment | Job Openings | Additional Information
- Complete and maintain necessary records.
- Test and evaluate patients' physical and mental abilities and analyze medical data to determine realistic rehabilitation goals for patients.
- Train caregivers how to provide for the needs of a patient during and after therapy.
- Evaluate patients' progress and prepare reports that detail progress.
- Plan, organize, and conduct occupational therapy programs in hospital, institutional, or community settings to help rehabilitate those impaired because of illness, injury or psychological or developmental problems.
- Select activities that will help individuals learn work and life-management skills within limits of their mental or physical capabilities.
- Recommend changes in patients' work or living environments, consistent with their needs and capabilities.
- Design and create, or requisition, special supplies and equipment, such as splints, braces, and computer-aided adaptive equipment.
- Develop and participate in health promotion programs, group activities, or discussions to promote client health, facilitate social adjustment, alleviate stress, and prevent physical or mental disability.
- Consult with rehabilitation team to select activity programs or coordinate occupational therapy with other therapeutic activities.
Tools & Technology
Tools used in this occupation:
|Adaptive communication switches for the physically challenged — Computer switch interfaces; Switch use tools; Wobble switches
|Therapeutic balls or accessories — Exercise balls
|Vascular or compression apparel or support — Pressure care garments
|Visual presenters — Video magnifiers
|Wheelchairs — Electric wheelchairs
Technology used in this occupation:
|Computer based training software — Language arts educational software; Special education educational software; Text reader software; Text to speech software
|Graphics or photo imaging software — Boardmaker Software; Computer drawing software
|Medical software — Casamba Smart; HMS software; Lexrotech LxPediatric; Rehab Documentation Company ReDoc Suite
|Optical character reader OCR or scanning software — Duxbury Braille Translator; Text scanning software
|Word processing software — Crick Software Clicker 4; OpenOffice WRITER
|Psychology — Knowledge of human behavior and performance; individual differences in ability, personality, and interests; learning and motivation; psychological research methods; and the assessment and treatment of behavioral and affective disorders.
|Therapy and Counseling — Knowledge of principles, methods, and procedures for diagnosis, treatment, and rehabilitation of physical and mental dysfunctions, and for career counseling and guidance.
|Medicine and Dentistry — Knowledge of the information and techniques needed to diagnose and treat human injuries, diseases, and deformities. This includes symptoms, treatment alternatives, drug properties and interactions, and preventive health-care measures.
|Education and Training — Knowledge of principles and methods for curriculum and training design, teaching and instruction for individuals and groups, and the measurement of training effects.
|English Language — Knowledge of the structure and content of the English language including the meaning and spelling of words, rules of composition, and grammar.
|Sociology and Anthropology — Knowledge of group behavior and dynamics, societal trends and influences, human migrations, ethnicity, cultures and their history and origins.
|Customer and Personal Service — Knowledge of principles and processes for providing customer and personal services. This includes customer needs assessment, meeting quality standards for services, and evaluation of customer satisfaction.
|Biology — Knowledge of plant and animal organisms, their tissues, cells, functions, interdependencies, and interactions with each other and the environment.
|Monitoring — Monitoring/Assessing performance of yourself, other individuals, or organizations to make improvements or take corrective action.
|Service Orientation — Actively looking for ways to help people.
|Active Listening — Giving full attention to what other people are saying, taking time to understand the points being made, asking questions as appropriate, and not interrupting at inappropriate times.
|Critical Thinking — Using logic and reasoning to identify the strengths and weaknesses of alternative solutions, conclusions or approaches to problems.
|Judgment and Decision Making — Considering the relative costs and benefits of potential actions to choose the most appropriate one.
|Reading Comprehension — Understanding written sentences and paragraphs in work related documents.
|Social Perceptiveness — Being aware of others' reactions and understanding why they react as they do.
|Speaking — Talking to others to convey information effectively.
|Active Learning — Understanding the implications of new information for both current and future problem-solving and decision-making.
|Writing — Communicating effectively in writing as appropriate for the needs of the audience.
|Problem Sensitivity — The ability to tell when something is wrong or is likely to go wrong. It does not involve solving the problem, only recognizing there is a problem.
|Deductive Reasoning — The ability to apply general rules to specific problems to produce answers that make sense.
|Inductive Reasoning — The ability to combine pieces of information to form general rules or conclusions (includes finding a relationship among seemingly unrelated events).
|Oral Comprehension — The ability to listen to and understand information and ideas presented through spoken words and sentences.
|Oral Expression — The ability to communicate information and ideas in speaking so others will understand.
|Speech Clarity — The ability to speak clearly so others can understand you.
|Speech Recognition — The ability to identify and understand the speech of another person.
|Written Comprehension — The ability to read and understand information and ideas presented in writing.
|Information Ordering — The ability to arrange things or actions in a certain order or pattern according to a specific rule or set of rules (e.g., patterns of numbers, letters, words, pictures, mathematical operations).
|Written Expression — The ability to communicate information and ideas in writing so others will understand.
Work Activities
|Assisting and Caring for Others — Providing personal assistance, medical attention, emotional support, or other personal care to others such as coworkers, customers, or patients.
|Making Decisions and Solving Problems — Analyzing information and evaluating results to choose the best solution and solve problems.
|Documenting/Recording Information — Entering, transcribing, recording, storing, or maintaining information in written or electronic/magnetic form.
|Communicating with Supervisors, Peers, or Subordinates — Providing information to supervisors, co-workers, and subordinates by telephone, in written form, e-mail, or in person.
|Getting Information — Observing, receiving, and otherwise obtaining information from all relevant sources.
|Establishing and Maintaining Interpersonal Relationships — Developing constructive and cooperative working relationships with others, and maintaining them over time.
|Thinking Creatively — Developing, designing, or creating new applications, ideas, relationships, systems, or products, including artistic contributions.
|Updating and Using Relevant Knowledge — Keeping up-to-date technically and applying new knowledge to your job.
|Developing Objectives and Strategies — Establishing long-range objectives and specifying the strategies and actions to achieve them.
|Identifying Objects, Actions, and Events — Identifying information by categorizing, estimating, recognizing differences or similarities, and detecting changes in circumstances or events.
Work Context
|Face-to-Face Discussions — 95% responded "Every day."
|Contact With Others — 81% responded "Constant contact with others."
|Physical Proximity — 86% responded "Very close (near touching)."
|Indoors, Environmentally Controlled — 90% responded "Every day."
|Electronic Mail — 76% responded "Every day."
|Exposed to Disease or Infections — 67% responded "Every day."
|Telephone — 62% responded "Every day."
|Work With Work Group or Team — 62% responded "Extremely important."
|Frequency of Decision Making — 57% responded "Every day."
|Structured versus Unstructured Work — 48% responded "A lot of freedom."
Job Zone
|Job Zone Five: Extensive Preparation Needed
|Most of these occupations require graduate school. For example, they may require a master's degree, and some require a Ph.D., M.D., or J.D. (law degree).
|Related Experience
|Extensive skill, knowledge, and experience are needed for these occupations. Many require more than five years of experience. For example, surgeons must complete four years of college and an additional five to seven years of specialized medical training to be able to do their job.
|Job Training
|Employees may need some on-the-job training, but most of these occupations assume that the person will already have the required skills, knowledge, work-related experience, and/or training.
|Job Zone Examples
|These occupations often involve coordinating, training, supervising, or managing the activities of others to accomplish goals. Very advanced communication and organizational skills are required. Examples include librarians, lawyers, sports medicine physicians, wildlife biologists, school psychologists, surgeons, treasurers, and controllers.
|SVP Range
|(8.0 and above)
Percentage of Respondents
|Education Level Required
|Master's degree
|Bachelor's degree
|Professional degree
Interest code: SI
|Social — Social occupations frequently involve working with, communicating with, and teaching people. These occupations often involve helping or providing service to others.
|Investigative — Investigative occupations frequently involve working with ideas, and require an extensive amount of thinking. These occupations can involve searching for facts and figuring out problems mentally.
Work Styles
|Integrity — Job requires being honest and ethical.
|Adaptability/Flexibility — Job requires being open to change (positive or negative) and to considerable variety in the workplace.
|Concern for Others — Job requires being sensitive to others' needs and feelings and being understanding and helpful on the job.
|Dependability — Job requires being reliable, responsible, and dependable, and fulfilling obligations.
|Self Control — Job requires maintaining composure, keeping emotions in check, controlling anger, and avoiding aggressive behavior, even in very difficult situations.
|Cooperation — Job requires being pleasant with others on the job and displaying a good-natured, cooperative attitude.
|Initiative — Job requires a willingness to take on responsibilities and challenges.
|Persistence — Job requires persistence in the face of obstacles.
|Independence — Job requires developing one's own ways of doing things, guiding oneself with little or no supervision, and depending on oneself to get things done.
|Social Orientation — Job requires preferring to work with others rather than alone, and being personally connected with others on the job.
Work Values
|Relationships — Occupations that satisfy this work value allow employees to provide service to others and work with co-workers in a friendly non-competitive environment. Corresponding needs are Co-workers, Moral Values and Social Service.
|Achievement — Occupations that satisfy this work value are results oriented and allow employees to use their strongest abilities, giving them a feeling of accomplishment. Corresponding needs are Ability Utilization and Achievement.
|Working Conditions — Occupations that satisfy this work value offer job security and good working conditions. Corresponding needs are Activity, Compensation, Independence, Security, Variety and Working Conditions.
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|Healthcare Social Workers
|Health Specialties Teachers, Postsecondary
|Nursing Instructors and Teachers, Postsecondary
|Recreation and Fitness Studies Teachers, Postsecondary
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|Recreational Therapists
|Athletic Trainers
Wages & Employment Trends
|Median wages (2014)
|$37.89 hourly, $78,810 annual
|State wages
|Employment (2012)
|113,000 employees
|Projected growth (2012-2022)
|Much faster than average (22% or higher)
|Projected job openings (2012-2022)
|State trends
|Top industries (2012)
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics 2014 wage data and 2012-2022 employment projections . "Projected growth" represents the estimated change in total employment over the projections period (2012-2022). "Projected job openings" represent openings due to growth and replacement.
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Sources of Additional Information
Disclaimer: Sources are listed to provide additional information on related jobs, specialties, and/or industries. Links to non-DOL Internet sites are provided for your convenience and do not constitute an endorsement.
- Occupational Therapists . Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor. Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2014-15 Edition.
- American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA) , 4720 Montgomery Ln., Bethesda, MD 20824-1220. Phone: (301) 652-2682. Fax: (301) 652-7711.