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|By Jeremy Geelan
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|October 25, 2004 12:00 AM EDT
IBM Response to the study entitled
"Comparing Microsoft .NET and IBM WebSphere/J2EE"
by The Middleware Company
October 2004
IBM Competitive Technology Lab
Another Flawed Study
The latest Middleware Company study is flawed and does not accurately reflect the capability of WebSphere J2EE vs. Microsoft .NET. Like two previous discredited Middleware Company studies, this study was funded by Microsoft. While expert Microsoft programmers were allowed to contribute to the .NET side, neither IBM nor other WebSphere J2EE product experts were invited to contribute to the testing.
The Middleware Company publicly retracted the results of its previous J2EE vs. .NET study because of serious errors in its testing methodologies and its failure to invite J2EE vendors to participate. [1] This study has similar problems. The products and toolsets compared in the testing were mismatched, and relatively crude WebSphere J2EE programming techniques were used rather than the most optimal tools and programming methodologies. Statements made within the study show that the choice of tools and methodologies were purposeful.
The cost comparison between IBM and Microsoft also is inaccurate and does not represent a real-world environment. In addition, there were important cost considerations missing on the Microsoft side.
The Middleware Company's WebSphere J2EE programmers failed to use development practices that would have yielded more favorable results for WebSphere J2EE - for example, practices that would enable software reuse across enterprise architectures. The study also did not attempt to measure the advantages of team development across a business with multiple team members involved. Rather, the study timed the work of three relatively inexperienced WebSphere developers. The results are misleading in each of the categories the tests aimed to measure--Development Productivity, Tuning Productivity, Performance, Manageability, and Reliability.
In its apology and retraction letter for its last J2EE vs. .NET test, The Middleware Company wrote: "We also admit to having made an error in process judgment by inviting Microsoft to participate in this benchmark, but not inviting the J2EE vendors to participate in this benchmark." [2]
Inviting an expert Microsoft partner to participate while not inviting IBM or an IBM partner to participate was once again a fatal flaw. Using outside experts for the Microsoft .NET programming team while using its own employees for the WebSphere J2EE programming team is an obvious conflict of interest in a study funded by Microsoft.
We believe that if J2EE development best practices had been used, the developer productivity would have exceeded that of Visual Studio.NET. The performance and manageability of the WebSphere J2EE application also would have exceeded the published numbers.
Microsoft's track record on these types of studies is not good, and users should generally approach them with caution. Besides two previous Middleware Company studies that were retracted, [3] Forrester Research issued a disclaimer of its Microsoft-sponsored study on the cost of ownership of Linux vs. Windows, [4] and a similar IDC Linux/Windows study was discredited in Business Week by one of its authors. [5]
A closer look at how the tests were conducted and the results framed reveals why The Middleware Company study is without merit.
[1] In the Appendix is the complete text of The Middleware Company retraction letter published in November 2002.
[2] The Middleware Company, "A Message to the J2EE and .NET Communities," November 8, 2002.
[3] The initial Middleware Company Pet Shop study and the J2EE vs. .NET study cited in the retraction in the Appendix.
[4] "Forrester Alters Integrity Policy," CNET News.com, October 7, 2003. "Forrester published a new policy that forbids vendors that commission studies from publicizing their results. The new policy follows the release last month of a study that concluded that companies spent less when developing certain programs with the Windows operating system than with Linux. Giga polled just 12 companies for the study, which led some critics to question the report's statistical relevance."
[5] "Pecked by Penguins," Business Week, March 3, 2003. Says the report: "One of the study's authors accuses Microsoft of stacking the deck. IDC analyst Dan Kusnetzky says the company selected scenarios that would inevitably be more costly using Linux."
Wrong "WebSphere" Tool
One of the largest faults of the study is the focus on Rational Rapid Developer (RRD) as the primary J2EE development tool from IBM. The results for RRD are represented as "WebSphere" and RRD is characterized as the main WebSphere development tool. However, IBM has never marketed RRD as a full-blown WebSphere toolset with all the functionality of WebSphere Studio Application Developer (WSAD). WSAD is the tool intended specifically for building integrated enterprise J2EE applications.
Comparing VS.NET to RRD is not a fair comparison, nor is it the comparison IBM would have recommended. Why then did The Middleware Company characterize Rational Rapid Developer as the primary tool for WebSphere J2EE environment? The choice is particularly odd in light of the fact that they were aware that WSAD was the "mainstream" tool for WebSphere development (and that they achieved better results with WSAD). Articles in the trade press reported that the WSAD results were "unofficial" because they were not as controlled as the RRD measurements. This explanation was provided by The Middleware Company and Microsoft.
The WSAD results in this study were comparable to VS.NET in developer time spent on the project. The approach to application development in RRD is very different from WSAD, so the theory postulated in the study that the WSAD results were boosted by the experience the team gained using RRD are not credible.
The bottom line is that The Middleware Company chose to emphasize and give more weight to a tool that would not be recommended by IBM as the primary tool for WebSphere J2EE development. By focusing on RRD, the study draws attention away from the more favorable results posted by WSAD, which is IBM's premier application development tool and the direct competitor to VS.NET. Representing RRD in this way is inaccurate and misleading.
The table below summarizes the development tool comparisons made in the study:
Development Productivity .NET beats RRD .NET = WSAD WSAD beats RRD
Tuning Productivity .NET beats RRD .NET = WSAD - uncertain -
Performance .NET beats RRD .NET = WSAD WSAD beats RRD
Manageability .NET beats RRD .NET beats WSAD RRD beats WSAD
RRD = Rational Rapid Developer
WSAD = WebSphere Studio Application Developer
In order to have a fair comparison, you should make more of an attempt at having a level playing field. Here are the specific problems in this study which invalidate the results.
Unequal Programming Teams
Among the most questionable claims made in the study were that the .NET and J2EE programming teams were equal in programming experience and knowledge of their respective platforms. Having programming teams of equal skills is critical to the credibility of the end results.
The report states that three Microsoft "senior developers" were sourced from a Microsoft Solution Provider (Vertigo Software). The J2EE developers were sourced from The Middleware Company. Why were the J2EE developers not sourced from an IBM business partner that would have had some knowledge about IBM products?
There is an obvious disparity in the skill level of the .NET and WebSphere team exhibited during the actual development work. The Microsoft team exhibits amazing experience and depth of knowledge. An example is the Microsoft team's decision to code distributed transactions using "ServiceDomain classes" instead of the "COM+ catalog." ServiceDomain classes are very new, very complex, and not that well understood and documented.
Another example of the high skill level of the .NET developers was their use of "Data Access Application Block" (DAAB) for enhancement of performance. This is not a standard part of .NET and one must go out explicitly and download and install it. To decide to code the distributed transactions with ServiceDomain classes and to add DAAB for performance enhancement, and to have it work the first time, shows a deep amount of technical skill.
The WebSphere team, on the other hand, exhibited little or no experience with WebSphere Studio Application Developer. Their inexperience is obvious and is easily traced throughout the study.
The study reports (pg.37) that "the .NET team was undoubtedly more experienced with their tool than the J2EE team with theirs."
The J2EE team decided to install the Sun JVM rather than the IBM-supplied JVM 1.4.1. WebSphere Studio product requirements state to use the IBM JVM or unpredictable results can occur. The unpredictable results that occurred later (pg. 59-60) were an unrecognized parameter during garbage collection. The time it took to troubleshoot and fix the problem counted against the J2EE team. The substitution of the Sun JVM can only be explained lack of experience with WebSphere Studio. If the intent was to test how WebSphere Studio performed, why would you introduce a non-IBM JVM?
The J2EE team decided not to do any source code management (pg. 32), even though ClearCase LT and CVS were available. "Instead they divided their work carefully and copied changed source files between their machines." The .NET team used Visual SourceSafe for source control. Does the J2EE decision indicate experienced developers? Problems resulted (pg. 45) for the J2EE developers that increased their development time. It appears again that lack of experience played a role in this poor decision.
The J2EE team decided to use the Sun J2ME wireless toolkit in Sun One Studio to create an application for a mobile device that was part of the specification. The code generated from the Sun wireless toolkit did not work with the RRD-generated application. Again, this displays a lack of experience in not using the WebSphere Studio tools to interface with the mobile device.
It took the J2EE team extra time to discover that they had a SIMPLE rights (SELECT rights) user error when they went to access the Oracle database. This counted as developer productivity time and again showed lack of experience.
- The J2EE developer team used POJO (Plain Old Java Object) instead of what best practice might have indicated here - EJBs. It was noted later in the report that the team created a "framework" to handle the JDBC access. If they had used EJB's, they would have had the container handle the pooled requests and it can be argued that the performance would have been better. In the POJO scenario, a new connection had to be created for EVERY call to the database which is very expensive. In addition, they spent extra time developing a "crude" framework to handle the requests, which counted against them.
- The J2EE team chose not to use (or did not seem aware of) the more productive tools available such as Java Server Faces and Service Data Objects.
- The J2EE team specifically chose not to use the Model View Controler approach such as STRUTS technology.
Despite the fact that the three J2EE assigned developers from The Middleware Company had little or no experience with WebSphere Studio, and did not use recommended best practices, WebSphere Studio was still robust enough to allow the J2EE team to equal the results of the expert Microsoft team using VS.NET in the areas of developer productivity, configuration, tuning and performance.
Software Platform Disparity
For a fair performance comparison, the software platforms being tested should be equal. However, in addition to the lack of J2EE developer experience, different databases and operating systems were used in this test. Consider the following:
Although an attempt was made to make the hardware equivalent, that did not hold true for the base development systems. The Microsoft development team's system consisted of Windows XP and a pre-loaded SQL Server database. The J2EE team's system had Windows XP and a pre-loaded Oracle database. These two different databases were used in the production environment as well. Why were two different databases used by the two teams? At the very least, the databases should have been tuned, optimized, tested, and certified that they were performing equally. We have no information or data to indicate how they compared.
This flaw by itself should be enough to call the entire performance results into question. Before a single line of code was written, the entire study was suspect.
Linux was mandated to run the performance tests. A real performance test should compare one competitor to another with as much commonality as possible. The WebSphere J2EE tests should have been run on the same platform (Windows Server 2003) as the .NET tests.
Single-Tier Restrictions
The configurations in The Middleware Company study were restricted, which benefited Microsoft in performance vs. the J2EE application. The study did not allow for multiple-tier implementations - configurations that would mirror real-world usage. Customers like to separate physical tiers of Web applications because it gives them more flexibility for allocation of resources on a tier-by-tier basis and the ability to separate tiers for security and/or geographical concerns.
There were a number of other factors in The Middleware Company study that impeded the J2EE application's performance:
- The Edge server is not needed and adds another layer that is not required. Using the IBM HTTP Server where the Edge Server is, and deleting the two IBM HTTP Servers from the Application Server machine would suffice. This would decrease the complexity and total path length of the application, and allow more processing power for the application servers.
- The teams used different patterns to design the applications. The Microsoft team used a stored procedures pattern while the J2EE team did not. It is quite possible that better performance had been achieved on the J2EE side if it had had the same playing field.
- Heap size affects the amount of memory allocated to the Java Virtual Machine. One would want to dedicate as much memory as possible to the heap size. The heap sizes were allocated stating that the servers had 1 GB of memory each. This appears to be incorrect. The diagram on page 26 states the servers are 2 GB each, as does the CN2 Technology auditor report. A higher heap size should have been used, something like a minimum heap size of 1,256 MB and a maximum of 1,536 MB.
- The standard method of storing data in the HTTP sessions was not used. The standard method of storing session data for both should been used.
- The use of two datasources in the J2EE case affects performance negatively. The two datasources allocated were one, an XA compliant for two-phase commit; the other one was not XA compliant. Their claim was that by splitting the requests to each of the data sources, performance would improve. In theory that might be true; however, it basically precludes sharing of data connections between the two datasourses, and all the database requests going through the XA datasource would lock the tables for other transactions. If they had a single XA datasource, they could satisfy the two-phase commit and the connection pooling. Performance might have improved because of the ability to cache the connection pools.
- In general, the performance runs were done based on achieving a maximum response time of one second. The servers were not driven to maximum capacity. It is never stated what the limiting resource was on the system. A more realistic view of performance and stability is a stress run, where there is no "think time" or wait time between interactions, and the only constrained resource is the application server under test.
- On the integrated scenario, the testers conveniently chose to implement 75% of the application where Microsoft is slightly better than IBM, and only 25% of the application where IBM is better than Microsoft on a 2 to 1 ratio, when run together. If one does the math on the separate scenarios, IBM should have been 650 vs. 550 for Microsoft, yet with integrated scenario IBM is 482 vs. 855 for Microsoft. There are no details on the throughput for each application in the integrated scenario, and there is no attempt to ascertain the limiting resource(s) during the runs, yet we are expected to believe that the applications themselves ran slower because they were run concurrently on separate servers.
Cost Manipulations
The study's cost assessment is inaccurate -adding costs to the IBM side while excluding costs that should have been associated to Microsoft. One such extraneous cost was the use of high-end 4-way servers, which was unnecessary and raised the WebSphere configuration cost significantly. For example, a typical configuration like the one in the study could have been deployed on three 2-way servers instead of the 4-way servers that were used.
The Middleware Company's J2EE team initially used a three-node configuration (pg. 28) but added a fourth server to run WebSphere MQ Series. The developers' lack of experience added unnecessary cost to the configuration because a JMS server ships native with the WebSphere Application server at no extra cost. This unnecessary use of hardware and software increased the cost of the WebSphere configuration by more than $200,000.
While IBM's costs were inflated, we believe the Microsoft configuration costs were understated. The Microsoft configuration was missing an extra year of Software Assurance for the Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Server license. This was due to The Middleware Company's misinterpretation of the terms of the Open Value Agreement, which is three years, not two. The Microsoft configuration should be increased by $595 per server to cover the cost of an extra year of software assurance.
In a typical configuration, users are required to authenticate before gaining access to Web applications. Each client device would require a Microsoft client access license (CAL). Client access licenses are fees Microsoft charges customers for each user or device that accesses a Microsoft Windows server and Microsoft's middleware server. These fees are costly and are in addition to the base server pricing. In Microsoft's Software Assurance licensing scheme, users pay an additional 25% of the CAL cost per year for three years. The WebSphere configuration doesn't require users to pay an extra cost for client access and also allows unlimited customer and external customer access to the middleware servers. As shown in the charts below, the inclusion of CAL cost increases the overall price of the Microsoft configuration.
Another omission was the MSDN enterprise subscription cost that reflected only one year rather than the three-year terms of the Open Value Agreement. This would add an additional $5,000 to the Microsoft pricing.
The study's assessment of pricing is skewed in other ways that favor Microsoft. For example, the Microsoft configuration is based on a nonsecure environment that would be considered a security risk in a real-world deployment. The WebSphere architecture provides native reliability and security as a standard and does not require users to pay an extra cost for secure client access.
The Microsoft configuration does not require users to authenticate against Active Directory, allowing anonymous users access to the studies' Web applications. Not using authentication or security simplified the development of the .NET application and left the environment open to the types of security risks that dominate the news headlines.
The Middleware Company's cost model understated the full Microsoft costs required for the scenario. A more thorough study of the total costs of ownership shows that Linux and WAS Express have costs slightly lower than the Microsoft solution. This is in strong contrast to their claim that WebSphere would cost ten times more than the Microsoft solution. Below is our assessment of IBM and Microsoft pricing based on a typical customer deployment.
|Tabby Rasah 11/03/04 12:04:37 AM EST
Is the Middleware Company really independent? I think they're a subsidiary of Veritas--not that they are a platform vendor, but you have to figure there's some cross-interests there.
|Movie Lover 10/31/04 12:20:23 PM EST
What is TMC? The Movie Channel?
|Al 10/28/04 11:43:58 PM EDT
This so-called "leaked" report is as questionable as the .NET/J2EE comparison including the claim that even with the inexperienced J2EE developers, they were still more productive than the experienced .NET developers using WebSphere. C'mon, SysCon, stop wasting our time and perpetuating this debate publishing this dribble. You might as well be publishing articles to pursuade people to change their political leanings.
|Edu 10/28/04 04:36:52 PM EDT
Chris, it doesn't metter what 'staff' you like more. It metter what technology is more suitable for which task. I would like to see someone who had made Windows drivers with Java?
Mario, there isn't a question about Microsoft trying to strengthen .NET position in 'MS native' market. MS try to put .NET based solutions into J2EE market. This is why they participate in this study. This is a MS way marketing.
|Consultant 10/28/04 11:27:15 AM EDT
I find it hard to believe that a J2EE developer worth their weight would design their own framework, not use struts, not use connection pooling, and not at least use session EJB's in the design for this application. There's no benchmarking of the databases, and you're telling me that the results are not based on stress tests? What industry do they work in? I've consulted and assisted with implementations at many Fortune 500 companies, and I can tell you that the tests were not anything like what happens in the real world.
|Mario 10/27/04 03:25:31 PM EDT
It is amazing how Microsoft is so scared of J2EE that they have to cheapen themselves by taking part in the study. If .Net is as great as they profess it to be, I am sure that more companies would be using it.
It is just like politics - say anything to ruin your competitor and the common un-educated folks will believe it.
With the money that Microsoft has to throw around it is amazing that everything we use is not running some kind of Microsoft OS on it.
|Software Architect 10/27/04 12:36:01 PM EDT
You cannot take any of these comparisons seriously. The fact that the J2EE project was developed by non-experts is a plus in my eyes since most projects do not have so called "experts" on it. I never take development time comparisons seriously either since that is always dependent on the team and the project. So which tools were used are almost irrelevant to me. In fact, any platform dependent on a specific tool for development is a poorly designed platform. More important is how the platform performs, so the fact that the IBM JVM was not used is probably the most valid complaint. The fact that the DAAB was used for the .NET and has to be downloaded is a petty complaint. IBM has tons of tools downloadable from their site to aid development as well. I'd like to see a test where two non-expert teams can pick whatever tools they like, use any generally available software from the vendors, and given a specific amount of time to attach the same problem.
|WebSphere Lover 10/27/04 09:14:22 AM EDT
Sure Microsoft should sponsor the report like they did and the clowns at TMC should announce the results as an independent study. Way to go Chris
|Chris 10/27/04 09:07:41 AM EDT
Sounds like the old, it's not the tools its the programmer who uses them issue. True enough in most circumstances I suppose. Then again, I have no doubt that an newbie coder could be productive with .Net in a much shorter time. I love the Java stuff tools and mindset, but the .Net stuff is by far much easier to develop with.
|Mike Driver 10/27/04 07:38:55 AM EDT
The damage is done now, even if the report is discredited.
|Ben 10/27/04 07:16:31 AM EDT
Cameron, this is in response to a *new* TMC study, not the original one in 2002.
|malcolm davis 10/27/04 12:28:35 AM EDT
I read the Middleware report, and the details. After investing a great deal of time in both J2EE and .NET, I knew the report was serious flawed.
The TMC report also led you to believe that they had invited IBM developers. The Middleware had demonstrated that it is nothing more than a political hack. Unfortunately, damage is done when reports like TMC are published at legitimate sites.
What should happen now? Legitimate sites should ban printing anything from TMC, even if TMC has genuine news. The only way to kill a political hack is to cut its output venues.
|Cameron 10/26/04 07:52:21 PM EDT
odd that it takes IBM two years to get a response out ..
|Matthew Quinlan 10/26/04 06:26:03 PM EDT
Interesting. It is easy to throw stones at any benchmark or comparison study. However, it is a much more difficult task to actually design and conduct one. While the funding by Microsoft is clearly a conflict of interest, I would expect that even a truly independent comparison would generate many of the same inconsistencies. The fact is that these kinds of comparisons must take into account so many variables that have their own tradeoffs (and no clear corresponding variable on the competitor's platform) that the margin of error is larger than the absolute results.
This type of analysis is therefore relegated to for-hire companies (e.g. TMC) who provide fodder for customer executives who wish to defend their existing or upcoming technology decisions.
|Alexander 10/26/04 06:16:11 PM EDT
The whole buzz in this article mainly shows one thing - it doesn't matter what tool and environment is used, the question is who is using it.
|Scott Simmons 10/26/04 11:13:54 AM EDT
I find it a very large concern when an "independent" group (The Middleware Company) professes vendor neautrality and then publishes a report which would not even qualify for an undergraduate Computer Science class homework assignment -- it is clear that they are not acting in the best interest of the market when they publish these types of reports. It could be said that they are only harming themselves (as per limiting their credibility) but I take exception as lead decision makers depend on these types of reports to make critical business decisions. Makes you wonder about how the report has been funded ... and brings to mind the ongoing LINUX versus Windows ramblings that Microsoft is pushing. You would think that Microsoft should be spending money on fixing the huge number of security glitches (that still remain after SP2) versus engaging it what looks like a well-funded attack campaign. It actually reminds me of the political election process we are witnessing across the US ...
|Heath 10/26/04 05:11:09 AM EDT
Yes lets make sure all comparisons are actually equal. The Vendor interests must be taken into account in a way that enables true best practise and (as close as possible to) real-world deployment.
By the same token, vendor interests that unnecessarily bias against others must be avoided or, if that is not possible, clearly identified and 'costed' into the comparisons.
I wonder how TMC would feel about an orgainsation committing itself to a big project based on their 'test' results with open slather to sue them for each discovery that was contrary to their findings? That is the real test.
(I'm not troubled by the '3 fonts', but your link to Table 2 for the Microsoft costings is wrong - it points to the IBM Table. It is important to see the MS details as well)
|sa 10/26/04 02:36:03 AM EDT
Completely ignoring the content of the article, why do you have to publish this with so many fonts?!?! There has to be at least 3 sizes and two faces in use throughout this article. I expected better....
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Palmerston North's National candidate Jono Naylor is taking advice from the MP with the narrowest majority in the country.
Social Development and Local Government Minister Paula Bennett was in the city yesterday helping the mayor with his campaign.
Picking "an absolute scrap" in a close race between Naylor and incumbent Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway in September's general election, Bennett wanted to remind electors that every vote counts. She holds Waitakere by nine votes.
"If nine people had not got out to vote that day, I would not be the MP for Waitakere."
Bennett said the Department of Internal Affairs was investigating ways to boost voter turnout above an average 47 per cent for councils and 74 per cent for central government.
"But it comes down to people giving enough of a damn."
Bennett and Naylor campaigning together signalled some of the clashes between local government and the National-led Government of last year had been put behind them.
Under Naylor's leadership, the city council fired off some strongly worded submissions about proposed changes to the Local Government Act and Resource Management Act that the council said were disrespectful and wrongly identified local government as "the problem".
Bennett said her appointment as Local Government Minister was about relationship building, about having a "stroppy" advocate for local government on the front benches. She said the fact Naylor had taken a couple of "swipes" at the Government made him a strong advocate, "and I hope he will continue that in caucus".
Naylor said local government had won its point, that it wanted to engage with the Government earlier, rather than having reforms imposed on it, and the relationship was healthy. An understanding of each other's roles and powers was critical to making New Zealand better.
Both said the key issues this election were the economy, jobs and decent incomes.
Investment in defence, research and development were seen as critical for achieving those outcomes in Palmerston North, Naylor said.
Those who thought National had "neglected" Palmerston North in the past were driving a different agenda, he said.
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The "wave glider", which from above looks like a yellow surfboard, picks up signals from tagged fish up to 1,000 feet (330 metres) away in the ocean and then sends their positions to researchers via a satellite transmitter.
Scientists have only a hazy understanding of where great white sharks, portrayed as ferocious killers in films like "Jaws", swim in the oceans. The new robot will give insights into their movements.
"Here we are in the 21st century and scientists have just put a rover on Mars. And we don't understand what is going on in the oceans," said Barbara Block, a marine sciences professor at Stanford University in California in charge of the project.
"We will send a wave glider out to follow the sharks," she told Reuters. In one eight-day test, the glider, made by California-based Liquid Robotics and which moves at less than walking speed, made 200 detections of 19 individual sharks.
The glider, about 7 feet long (2 metres) with solar panels above and a wave-power system below, could also give clues to other tagged creatures ranging from mako sharks to tuna and salmon.
It can only notice creatures that have been previously tagged by scientists with tiny battery-powered acoustic transmitters that bleep once every two minutes. Thousands of creatures carry the tags, Block said.
The glider, and listening buoys in fixed positions chained to the seabed, are building on a previous project for the tagging of Pacific predators, which was part of an international census of marine life from 2000-10.
Block said that scientists already knew that great white sharks wandered across the Pacific from North America, often all the way to Hawaii.
There were also mysterious gatherings, including in one mid-ocean area dubbed the "white shark cafe". Unlike the fixed buoys, the gliders can monitor such "ocean wi-fi hotspots".
The researchers are setting up an app, "Shark Net" allowing people to track the fish.
Block hopes to extend the ocean observing network down the west coast of the United States, likening the region to a "blue Serengeti" as rich in wildlife as Tanzania or Kenya.
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Anti-establishment rhetoric against democratic values
Publication Date : 14-04-2014
A group of around 1,000 demonstrators gathered in front of the Zhongzheng First Precinct of the Taipei City Police Department on Friday night, protesting the department chief's decision to drive the remaining protesters out of the Legislative Yuan compound earlier that day.
The angry crowd threw ghost money, water bottles and insults at Fang Yang-ning and the police force amassed in front of the police precinct, calling for his apology and resignation for a "breach of trust." The resignation was rejected by Taipei Mayor Hau Lung-bin, and it is clear that Taiwan doesn't need more anti-establishment activists that incite ridicule of the police and parliamentary system using rhetoric that risks belittling our democracy with oversimplified messages.
The students' answer to the malaise of today's youth is far too simple — let's do away with the ruling party's politicians or, better yet, throw away everything that smells of power, privileges and Chinese politics — and, absolutely incompatible with Taiwan democratic values, despite their hundreds of thousands of supporters on social media.
The truth is that these students derive their energy from misplaced resentment, and the real key to their success lies in the exploitation of anger — at the ruling Kuomintang, at President Ma Ying-jeou, at mainland China and the whole establishment in general. That is what makes their movement look great, not the appeal to reason or the love of democracy. The problem with such "zero-sum rhetoric", however, is the growing risk of driving the country to a dead-end.
The zero-sum mentality refers to a way of thinking that hinges on the notion that "there must be one winner and one loser, and for every gain there should be a loss." The term is used in its simplest form in the social sciences to describe systems in which "one of us wins while one of us loses." If we're going to share a pie though, it also means we each have to fight to get more pieces.
In a society that has allowed alternative actors to take advantage of the size, dynamic nature and low communication cost of social media to communicate directly with citizens, such a zero-sum mentality has now become extremely successful in mobilising people. Beppe Grillo in Italy and Marine Le Pen in France are examples of underdogs who have successfully used social media to raise issues, publicise meetings, respond to news, mobilise supporters at the grassroots level and recruit new "friends".
In Taiwan, the Sunflower Movement leaders, Chen Wei-ting and Lin Fei-fan, have been using the same tactics to fuel the passions of their supporters through social movements. Contrary to hour-long TED talks centered on "ideas worth spreading", they have been using social media to spread their movement's zero-sum mentality regarding Taiwan politics, the economy and cross-strait relations with short pamphlets, explicit videos and emotional photos.
In the real world though, politics is a rather unappetising business that depends on compromise, meaning that not everyone will be happy with it. Sometimes you have to ask the people to accept things they don't understand or want. Yet, the opposition Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is siding with the students in spreading the idea that the votes of the street are somehow more democratic than the votes of representatives sent to parliament in a democratic election. This is major illusion that has found many adherents in Taiwan.
However, the move is poised to further push moderate voters away from the party that cares less and less about attracting middle-of-the-road voters. To the contrary, the party should know that voters are not only swayed by policies but also by the impression that the country is on the right or wrong track. If the opposition party aims to regain power in the near future, it is time to give up zero-sum thinking and move forward to attract middle-of-the-road voters and become a responsible stakeholder in Taiwan's economy.
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This beautiful waterfront property boasts a private beach and dock. The house has large picture windows in the living and dining rooms for spectacular views.
Accommodations: Plenty of room for up to 4 guests.
2 Bedrooms (1 King, 1 Queen), 1 Full Bath, Dining Room, Living Room, Full Kitchen And Laundry Room (washer/dryer) Plus Screened Porch Off Living Room. Off-street Parking.
Beach Fun: Swim from the private beach or fish and crab from your own dock! Located on Mattox Creek with Potomac River access. Bring your own boat or jet ski. Fishing poles, paddle boat, beach toys, floats, beach umbrellas, chairs, and life jackets are all available for your use.
Amenities: All the comforts of home. Central AC and heat. All linens, bath and beach towels provided. Full-sized kitchen with all utensils, K-cup style and regular coffee maker, blender, toaster, microwave, toaster oven. Coffee, tea, condiments, paper goods, trash bags are included. There is no house phone or WiFi so be sure to bring your own cell phone/wireless access.
In-Home Entertainment: Enjoy the space. TV, DVD/VCR player in living room, Flat screen TV in master bedroom, board games, outdoor games including croquet and bocce ball.
Location: Close to many attractions. 15 minutes from the town of Colonial Beach, Virginia, George Washington's birthplace and Westmoreland State Park (which has some of the best fossil hunting on the east coast!). Close to Stratford Hall (home of Robert E. Lee), Bell Grove Plantation (birthplace of James Madison). We are also 45 minutes east of Fredericksburg, 1 hour to King's Dominion theme park and less than 2 hours from Washington DC, Richmond VA, Baltimore MD and Jamestown/Williamsburg.
Owner lives nearby and will be available to help with any questions or needs.
This property is near many attractions while still offering you a quiet, relaxing get-a-way. Enjoy your own private, sandy beach and dock. Fishing, crabbing, swimming, sunning or bring your boat, kayak or jet ski and explore the creek and coves.
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This was our second stay at Swan Creek and we have enjoyed every minute of it. Vicki and her husband are without a doubt the most gracious of hosts I have encountered and they keep a lovely home. There is virtually everything you could need for your stay either in the house or in the outbuilding. We have enjoyed the quiet of the neighborhood and the neighbors have been very nice as well. It is really hard to leave there. This past 4th of July was the most enjoyable we have had in years. You absolutely can't go wrong by staying at Swan Creek and we look forward to more visits. But what is more important is meeting these fine folks. Vicki, we can not thank you and your husband for letting us stay at Swan Creek making our family feel at home.
Bob, Sandra, Evan, and Dylan
We have stayed at many VRBO houses, Swan Creek is fabulous. Vicki the owner is so helpful and the house is spotless. The house is stocked with everything you need. She provides a paddle boat, fishing poles, life jackets, beach towels, crab pot, and lots of wildlife to view! This was to most relaxing vacation we have ever had. We are planning on returning the end of September.
Vicki thank you so much!
My family and I just returned from our vacation at this home, and we didn't want to leave! The house was wonderful, had everything we needed, very clean. We fished every night from the dock and caught catfish, croaker, even an eel. Our 3 year old son loved the beach area, and we also saw bald eagles sitting on the dock posts. The house had great views from almost every room in the house. We absolutely loved it!
My family and I stayed here for just a short weekend but certainly wanted to stay longer. The home is SUPER CLEAN and like the other reviews have mentioned, was well stocked with necessities and nice extras (such as fishing equipment, lawn chairs, chilled bottled waters, kids beach toys, towels, sweatshirts, etc). Vicki welcomed us even though we arrived much later than anticipated on a busy Friday night. She was accessible via cell phone for any questions, concerns we had. My family enjoyed such a calm, peaceful, weekend here that included fishing and paddle boating, playing in the sand and napping! We would certainly recommend this property to anyone just looking to get away from it all and enjoy the sounds of nature.
Vicki, the owner, has worked hard to create a nice, clean, inviting home-away-from home! Plenty of creature comforts provided for indoor and outdoor activities, and lots of local information to enjoy Colonial Beach and the Northern Neck. My wife and I just spent four relaxing days here on a nice, quiet get-away. We enjoyed Colonial Beach, Stratford Hall, and just lounging on the screen porch and on the dock. Thanks, Vicki, for providing such a cozy place! Andy and Anita - Virginia Beach.
I have rented many many homes across the country through VRBO, as well as other rental companies, and this is the cleanest home I have ever stayed in. This was a very nice surprise! The house also had everything there we could possible need....from a paddle boat, swans, sheets, a beach blanket, extra fan for the screened porch, to complimentary chilled water bottles. I mean every detail has been thought about to make the stay perfect. And it was. Thank you so much Vicki! We can not wait for our next quiet and peaceful getaway!
Our community has all private beaches and docks. We are near Washington's Birthplace, Stratford Hall, Westmoreland State Park, Westmoreland Berry Farm featuring Voorhes Nature Trail, historic Fredericksburg, the town of Colonial Beach, shopping, restaurants and more.........
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 13:53
So think of it as Nightly = Chrome Dev, Aurora = Chrome Beta, Stable = Stable.
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It works with extensions.CheckCompatibility6.0a.
Posted 13 April 2011 - 20:57
Nice to see that once again Firefox is becoming primarily a Windows browser with Mac and Linux users supported by accident rather than actually deliberately designing for the platform. Promises of OpenGL accelerated layers in Firefox 5.0 and low and behold they've failed to deliver - why aren't I surprised.
Posted 13 April 2011 - 21:05
True, but x64 browsers ATM, aren't ready for primetime yet. They're kinda like Office x64, nice to have, but not really needed by 99.9% of users.
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Been running various incarnations of Windows Mobile for years. Never had a virus and it seems that virus scanners for PDA's take up a lot of processing power.
However there could be a first time.
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It's the first time that I am worried about.
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I did look at anti-virus when I first got a Smartphone but decided against it as I don't download much and read e-mails on the server, plus I could see it slowing everything down and out-waying the benefits.
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Greece in the age of Heroes. Patroclus, an awkward young prince, has been exiled to the kingdom of Phthia. Here he is nobody, just another unwanted boy living in the shadow of King Peleus and his golden son, Achilles. Achilles, 'best of all the Greeks', is everything Patroclus is not - strong, beautiful, the child of a goddess - and by all rights their paths should never cross. Yet one day, Achilles takes the shamed prince under his wing and soon their tentative companionship gives way to a steadfast friendship. As they grow into young men skilled in the arts of war and medicine, their bond blossoms into something far deeper - despite the displeasure of Achilles's mother Thetis, a cruel and deathly pale sea goddess with a hatred of mortals. Fate is never far from the heels of Achilles. When word comes that Helen of Sparta has been kidnapped, the men of Greece are called upon to lay siege to Troy in her name. Seduced by the promise of a glorious destiny, Achilles joins their cause, Torn between love and fear for his friend, Patroclus follows Achilles into war, little knowing that the years that follow will test everything they have learned, everything they hold dear. And that, before he is ready, he will be forced to surrender his friend to the hands of Fate. Profoundly moving and breathtakingly original, this rendering of the epic Trojan War is a dazzling feat of the imagination, a devastating love story, and an almighty battle between gods and kings, peace and glory, immortal fame and the human heart.
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