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Is it time for change in MMA scoring?
Recently everyone from fans to fighters to UFC President Dana White has expressed issues with the current MMA scoring system in place. While it's true that many bouts have been controversial at decision time, not all have been scored on an extremely consistent basis. That seems to show each fight is subject to the preferences of the judges in place.
One instance that comes to mind recently is the Johny Hendricks vs. Carlos Condit bout at UFC 158. While many think it was the best fight of 2013 so far, many others disagreed upon the outcome, which had Johny Hendricks winning by unanimous decision.
Hendricks may have won the fight on the strength of his wrestling, taking Condit down an alarming 12 times. But there's a different side of the tale, as Condit was effectively getting back to his feet after many of them. He was also, as Joe Rogan noted during the fight, seeming to do more damage from the bottom than Hendricks was inflicting from the top.
Which brings us to the debate at hand. Is wrestling being scored altogether too highly in MMA? Sure, Octagon control and aggressiveness are two of the main criteria used to judge fights, but are takedowns being used just to score points rather than finish a fight? It could be argued in some cases they are. When a fighter gets a takedown but does next to nothing with it, some judges may give this a bit too much importance.
I'm not saying Johny Hendricks was doing that, because he was fighting all-out the whole time. He won and absolutely deserves the next title shot. Condit is just simply that good to be able to get up quickly and also not get knocked out on the feet. If damage is heavily weighed, which I think it should be, takedowns could take a backseat.
Take the controversial lightweight title fight between Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar last year. While Henderson landed a good amount of leg kicks, I thought it was Edgar who was more active with his boxing. He also won out in the wrestling area. Although Edgar lost again, I think this is an instance where wrestling, in a close fight, could have actually been justified as a deciding factor like it was for Johny Hendricks last Saturday.
That brings us to UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre, who although ultimately well-rounded in wrestling, submissions, and striking, has largely used his wrestling in his recent string of dominant decision victories. While he is no doubt one of the world's finest martial artists, perhaps taking second only to Anderson Silva, fans and media have begun to grow tired of his predictable gameplans.
GSP is one of the best, that's not on trial. But his mindset seemed to changed that night he was knocked out by Matt Serra in one of the sport's biggest upsets ever. He went from an unpredictable finisher to a wrestler who used top control to grind you out. At this point, I think opponents know what's coming. They just can't stop it. I understand the point of view that believes GSP's fights to be so hyped that another decision is simply not enough. But it is called 'Mixed' Martial Arts, so the debate is a back-and-forth one.
Perhaps the UFC is noticing this too, as GSP actually fell a spot in the rankings after thoroughly defeating Nick Diaz at UFC 158. Jon Jones, an avid finisher of bouts, took his place. And Jon Fitch got cut due to his largely unentertaining style (although not officially). It's no secret that Dana White wants fighters who 'bring it' every time out, not boring lay-and-prayers.
Overall it's up to the athletic commission's judges to decide what is and is not valued in terms of MMA scoring. However, in a sport where you could lose your job at any time, more fighters may utilize that safety blanket of wrestling rather than risking a finish only to lose. That could be a double-edged sword that gets you cut faster than a loss as well.
So is there a huge need for scoring changes in MMA? I would say there is a need for more specific, situational-based judging. Take into account the actual bearing that the takedowns have on the fight, not just the takedowns themselves. Focus on damage done and intent to finish a fight. Striking may be more exciting, but it can be used to keep opponents at bay as well. There are so many fighters in the UFC now that there's such a small margin of error for young prospects.
Ultimately, you still can't play it safe and win the favor of the fans and Dana White. There is definitely a need for more overall consistency in judging. Either way, scoring in MMA has gotten a bit confusing. Do you think there is a need for overarching change? And if so, how would you implement it?
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I don't mind scoring a takedown as aggression but it seems that judges think that as long as you are on top you are being aggressive. To me that is such a joke, I believe without a doubt that the person on the bottom should be able to score more points then the guy on top if he is doing sub attempts, fighting to get up, hitting from the bottom etc. I don't mind them scoring takedowns just score them as a 3 sec aggression, nothing else.
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As much as I admire guys that are active from their backs sub attempts are the same as a punch that nearly landed. Takedowns are a significant technique or equivalent to one good strike for me no more no less, but from that point it's about damage done or control or the balance between both. Anthony Pettis has some of the best wrist control I've seen from the bottom but the Judges don't have the knowledge to asses these things imo. We have to remember that the Athletic Commission WILL NEVER!!! change, they have never reprimanded judges for getting it wrong and they won't start now.
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personally i would score a takedown the same way as a jab in the sense that it doesnt count for much if you dont follow up on it through the fight. but at the same time you can win the fight from it if the opponent doesnt do anything significant.
if a guy lands a takedown and stays in guard the whole round while the other fighter lands strikes and attempts submissions he should clearly be winning the fight because of aggression, damage and the fact that hes trying to finish
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They need to allow fighters to grab the fence, whether it's in order to get up. Or any reason really. It's just more like real life, and more fair. Then guys can more easily escape those boring LnP take downs. Plus we would be able to see all kinds of cool flips and reversals using the fence. That'd be awesome. There's no way elbows should be made illegal. Diaz is only referring to those really short and usually fairly weak elbows that people throw from the top. When they don't want to raise up and give any space, because as Diaz has stated, that creates at least some opportunity for the guy on bottom to get up. I'm not a big Diaz fan but he has a good point. If the guy on top is not advancing position, or working towards a sub. He should be stood up if throwing b s elbows. Especially if he did it all of the first round. So it's now clear to everyone that even on the ground for 5 minutes the top fighter isn't even thinking about working for a submission. And the strikes are doing no damage, just staying busy. Maybe they should even take a point when it really gets outta hand. Think about Guida vs Maynard. Guida was faster so as long as he could land a few strikes early in the round, he had the ability to at least keep Maynard from landing on him. And would have stayed ahead on points, every single round. However they took a point from Guida late in the fight, and the judges must have given Maynard a lot of points just for coming forward and getting mad, and throwing hay makers that missed. On strikes landed, there's no way Guida should have lost. But if he loses because they say he's avoiding the fight, when he's at least landing some shots before using speed to avoid shots the rest of the round. Then any wrestler should be penalized the same way. Both fights are examples of a fighter being better at one thing. And finding a way to keep the fight in that realm. So even if they don't accomplish much, they still did more than the other guy.
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I think the best example of the failure of the scoring system was the Torres vs Johnson fight
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Great article, very hard to think of a solution that is not too convoluted. Nick Diaz's comments about elbows on the ground seem smart but I doubt they will ever outlaw them. What I hate to see the most is the guy on top throwing fake punches(chael sonnen vs silva 1) just to keep from getting stood up. If you doubt me go back and watch the fight, Looks like Sonnen is swimming on top of silva, not punching.
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Dana could simply say he will no longer be putting on shows in America or anywhere else where he cannot control judges selection and judging criteria. Money talks and he'd soon get his way.
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Great article, Mike. You, sir, have written one of the best articles I've read on this site in the past 3+ years.
I will be back shortly to comment on the subject.
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I really appreciate that UG.
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You're welcome, Mike. Just giving credit where credit is due.
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Since you're giving out props & all, how about you giving me mine for that fight I picked.
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I think many of us thought Hendricks lost that fight, HATE.
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Hey Mike, props for the good article and following the recent discussion. I wanted to answer Evan in the latest Hendricks-Interview discussion, but it'll take it on from here.
The Condit/Hendricks fight was close and seeing Condit actually doing more damage from the back and getting up every time, made the takedowns IMO an overrated technique, which in such cases simply favours the wrestler in his point game.
There is this notion, that Takedowns do damage, maybe to the condition for the one who has to get up, but TD don't do any KO damage by themselfs to the one being taken down. Again, they are [ in the best case] just exhausting like being pushed aginst the cage. I know how to break someones hip, neck, arm or leg with a powerful judo/sambo throw, or a brutal lift/slam and I know that this damage can be severe compared to a single or double takedown. With an eager TD attempt I will probably knock myself out, just like Mark Kerr once did in the pride days.
So what if, for example, pulling guard would get the same amount of points and attention? It's not an active move like the TD, but it's in my book 'just' a transistion.
Or what if submission attempts would get the same amount of points on the scoring cards, which I mentioned before? The grapplers would crank their ankles in joy for such a change in the scoring system. Would they adjust their skillset to attempt half assed flying arm and kneebars from every possible way? Maybe.The truth lies between all those different opions. I'm not against a wrestling based fighting style, I'm simply against this detail in the scoring system, which determins fights lately quite often. And this will play a major role the better the allround skills become.
The commision has to reevaluate its scoring system contrary to the favour of safe playing. Also they need to hire more former fighters, who take those new rules into action.
And fighters have to rethink, if they wanna go that way, follow that regime and play the safe card. We have seen the transformation from exciting fighters like Clay Guida, Diego Sanchez, Kos, or Rashad to boring LnP fighters, who call their gameplan suddenly 'smart.-
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Agreed. I wish AC's would hire more former fighters and/or coaches who actually know more about what is truly happening in the Octagon.
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I understand where your coming from, I really do. Honestly, I think the rules/scoring criteria can be effective the way it is now. For instance, a fight like King Mo-Mousasi back in the day saw Gegard basically kick the crap out of Mo for a few rounds from his back before he gassed (and it was scored wrong). There's also correct moments of it being implemented like Sanchez-Guida where Guida's effective work from his back was definitely more noteworthy.
Again, however I have to completely disagree with the notion that Condit-Hendricks was anywhere close to fights like these or any other in history (example Guida-Hioki or even Guida-Pettis in a lesser sense). Condit did more damage over the course of the fight to Hendricks, but he did not do more damage to Johny over the course of the first two rounds. Johny's shots had more power, and clearly got Carlos's attention multiple times. Carlos also didn't do that much work from his back in those rounds as his elbows landed well only a few times. This is the only questionable part of the scoring, the first two rounds. Stats, and just watching the fight, shows that it was extremely close standing (literally could be scored either way), but the takedowns that again weren't throws or slams (but were not just transitional maneuvers either) make up the difference. One thing I will say could be discussed is the implementation of 10-8 rounds more often. However, that could very well lead to more draws.
Getting takedowns against a fighter much more effective shouldn't count for a lot. However, giving more credence to a fighter who does get up routinely than the guy taking him down makes absolutely no sense. It is a defensive move.
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In a lot of the slow-mo replays during Condit vs. Hendricks, a lot of the big power shots that appeared to strike Condit, either barely missed because Condit slipped them. Or they grazed him. Only one or 2 well placed shots really got Condit during that fight. The rest was just throwing bombs for show and when it looks like some are landing it appears Hendricks did a lot more than he really did. Also in Guida vs. Sanchez, it was Sanchez who was winning from the bottom with nasty elbows. Not Guida. Great fight, but split decision was ridiculous.
I still really believe Condit won the fight. But like the article mentions, too much credit is given to takedowns. Even if they call that octagon control, it should be negated when the fighter on the bottom is the only one accomplishing anything. Judges should pretend they can just turn their heads sideways when a fight hits the ground. So both fighters appear upright. No top, no bottom. And whichever fighter is accomplishing the most, is winning during that period of time. If neither fighter accomplishes anything while on the ground. Then sure, give that period of time to the guy on top.
Condit sure did seem to want that win more, as far as having a sense of urgency right down to the end. Hendricks pretty much admitted after the fight he was playing it safe. I just believe Condit won in reality. That being said, I'm kind of glad he isn't fighting GSP again already. I don't think Condit will beat GSP just yet, but with a few more fights his finishing skills certainly could sharpen a little more.
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"Also in Guida vs. Sanchez, it was Sanchez who was winning from the bottom with nasty elbows. Not Guida. Great fight, but split decision was ridiculous."
I was mentioning it as a case for takedowns, and the defense on the ground being scored effectively.
"In a lot of the slow-mo replays during Condit vs. Hendricks, a lot of the big power shots that appeared to strike Condit, either barely missed because Condit slipped them. Or they grazed him. Only one or 2 well placed shots really got Condit during that fight."
Literally, the exact same thing can be said about Condit's strikes. He landed one shot the entire fight that visibly rocked Hendricks. The rest were hard shots that didn't do as much damage, as the ones Hendricks landed (in the first two rounds). His knees especially have been getting a lot of press, and most were either thrown with very little steam or led directly to a take down.
I understand your opinion, and you are more than welcome to it. However, you have to realize that opinion does not jive with the majority.
Also, you make a good point (whether you were looking to or not) about Condit. A win here in a close fight with Hendricks would have gotten him a good win bonus, but it would have done little for his standing in the WW division. After a close fight like that he's still 2-3 wins (over good competition away from another title shot. And that's exactly what he would have been with a win.
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Also, every official I have ever worked with has a background in mixed martial arts. Whether its BJJ, kickboxing, competing, or actually being a trainer. I would guess most commissions are this way, but Nevada has always been a center for nepotism. And that is the commission that the UFC loves to go through for most things.
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@ Holy
Defending the take-down ( no-pun intended)…It's not that the TD does damage or possibly even threatens a fighter, regardless of whether or not the top can do damage or the bottom can defend, counter-damage, submit or even get back up.
The point of the TD is to demonstrate one thing, that it can be done and more particularly that it can be done and the opponent cannot or failed, to stop it. It's the old…I can do this to you, but you can't or haven't done it to me. Should it win a fight? No. However, it shouldn't be discounted or blown off and to be honest, at this level (The UFC or Bellator) a fighter should be able to do several things….prevent take-downs, get back up, sweep, reverse and execute take-downs him / her self.
I truly do believe that these issues will organically work themselves out, as the sport grows and matures.
Also, if I had any complaints about the Hendricks / Condit fight it wouldn't be the amount of times Hendricks took Condit down or the amount of work that the did or didn't do, but rather, the fact that a fight of that magnitude, with fighters of that quality, were matched-up in a 3 round bout.
Hendricks / Condit, had it been scheduled for 5 rounds, could very well have been finished by one of the two and it would have tested both combatants, particularly the un-tested Hendricks, as to their (Championship Rounds) cardio. Personally, I think Condit was looking stronger than Hendricks by fights end. Big Rig looked a little gassed, to be honest.
For me, the problem with that fight was that it was a 5 rounder. A fight determining the next challenger to the belt, should always be a 5 round fight. All co-mains, should be 5 round fights, period.
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A take down should be scored the same as a punch. Land it, get a point. Once on the ground dominants positions should only be counted if they are used for control. If a guy is on top but he is taking all of the real damage then that position shouldn't count as dominant. Also, just being on top isn't always a dominant position. If you are in someones guard then you are in a neutral position. You can throw punches but you have no submissions. The guy on the bottom in this situation has both strikes and submissions to work with but his strikes generally lack power with the exception of 6-12 elbows. That said some guys can F\/(k you up from their guard. If you take someone down and lay in their guard while they beat on you, you should lose.
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Diaz does have a point because Gsp did not demolish him in the ground and you cant get your striking game in tack because You know the other guy wants to throw maybe 2 jabs and sprint for a take down…''Shits gear towards the strongest wrestler'' Nick was not being a slouch on his back, gsp was just too strong. First round re watch it, nick catches gsp with two good punches and BAM goes the take down…Its Mma I guess..
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I would say scoring of actual rounds could be looked into. IMO, and let me also emphasize the consensus opinion throughout the internet, Hendricks was the clear winner of two very close rounds against Condit. However, Condit's third round was by far the best round for either in the match. However, even though it was a much better round than the first two it was scored the exact same way. Should 10-8 rounds should be given out more frequently, and in turn bring more 10-7 and 10-6 rounds in to the occasion? Or should there be half point rounds put in place to give out also?
I will also say takedowns these days are not weighed as heavily as they have been in the past. If they weren't than the example of Frankie losing to Ben twice would have never happened. The second fight was the worst as he actually outstruck Ben while taking him down multiple times. The judges scored it for Ben because they "thought" his strikes were harder (even though the only knockdown of the fight was scored by Frankie). If takedowns were added in so highly as has been the prevailing sentiment on Lowkick in the last few days, than that decision would have never happened. Frankie would have won the first fight.
I think we also need to make sure the scoring criteria discussion doesn't get thrown around so much that the only answer is "well just don't leave it to the judges". Condit-Hendricks was scored 29-28 on virtually every single PBP site on the net. These are guys who have scored fights for years, and mostly train a good amount. It was a close fight, but it wasn't a display of a wrestler getting beaten up and stealing the fight on the score cards. It was an extremely close fight on the feet, and Hendricks takedowns (off of mistakes by Condit mostly) won him the first two.
Hell, if takedowns get too much credit than the guys who scored Voelker-Cote earlier in the night obviously didn't get the memo.
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The best way I can think to eliminate these boring fights is take out the round you just keep fighting until someone finishes. Its still 5 min rounds or maybe even change it too three but either way someone will have to finish. Before you shoot down my idea listen to my explaination. Fighters like gsp jon fitch etc. know there is a set number of rounds so they train for either those three or five rounds to impement their boring gameplan. If there is no set number of rounds and they know they either have to finish or get finished it give them more urgency to train for the finish. just imagine this shogun vs hbomb one of the greatest fights to date, there is only one thing that could have made that fight better it finishing with a TKO KO or Sub.
http://lowkickmma.com/members/Brian-Cox/ Brian Cox
What happened to the un-written rule of "learn-to-deal-with-it"?
Learn to deal with the TDs'. Learn to deal with the top-control. Learn how to sweep and reverse. Learn how to get-back up. Repeat process as required.
If a fighter is not doing enough while on top, what does that say about the fighter on the bottom that can't do something about it?
Ironically enough, one of the most iconic fights of recent memory was Silva / Sonnen 1. For (nearly) 25 minutes we saw a whole lot of wrestling and control from Sonnen, with precious little payout in the way of damage done, then only to watch him lose the fight via triangle arm-bar @ (virtually) the end of the bout.
I know at the end of that fight I heard no complaints from the fans about the bout being boring, nor did we hear any complaints from The Champ, about being held down for 5 rounds. No, he simply dealt with it. Why? Because somewhere along the line The Champ learned he "had" to deal with it. So, he did.
Wrestlers, take-downs and control are a "big" part of MMA and fighters need to learn to deal with it.
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Sounds like an Ultimate Take Down Championship fan to me
http://lowkickmma.com/members/Brian-Cox/ Brian Cox
I don't know how you could read my post and come to the conclusion, that I'm simply a fan of take-downs.
Are you simply a fan of stand-up? Fighters shouldn't be taken down and if so, they should immediately put back on their feet and all that non-sense.
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The article is all about questioning the high significance given to take downs, boring decisions and clock wasting. You didn't address the article's questions. All you said was "deal with it"
http://lowkickmma.com/members/Brian-Cox/ Brian Cox
Yes, the fighters must deal with it.
I did address the article's question…with deal with it. Nothing needs to be addressed. Personally, I don't think there's so many boring fights, that it becomes or has become, an issue.
My view of it, at any rate.
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What I hate to see the most is the guy on top throwing fake punches(chael sonnen vs silva 1) just to keep from getting stood up. If you doubt me go back and watch the fight, Looks like Sonnen is swimming on top of silva, not punching.
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I noted the lack of (real) damage done by Sonnen in their first match, as being "precious little". With that said, I watched that fight in a bar with a couple of hundred people and the place was rocking for the whole fight and cheering Sonnen on and then it erupted in disbelief, when Silva submitted and did so, off of his back.
Let us not have any revisionist histories of how exciting that fight was, regardless of it being on the ground for 25 minutes or regardless that Sonnen did little, if any, damage. To not appreciate that fight, is to not be a fan of MMA.
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Sonnen was faking punches to eat up the clock. that is not fighting to me.
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But I can't deny that fight was exciting, I am not blind.
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It was, exciting. One of the best fights I've ever seen.
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The Sonnen Silva fight is a different situation from what we are talking about here. Sonnen was fighting. He was controlling position and landing punches. Lots of punches. The power of a punch shouldn't be taken into consideration at all by people (the judges) who aren't experiencing them. How many times have we seen a fighter KOd by a punch that looked like nothing? Too many to count. Every successful technique should be valued equally. Position should only be counted if it is advantageous. Being on top is not advantageous if it isn't used to land strikes or go for submissions. At best it is stalling and at worst it is sitting in someone's guard eating shots and fighting off subs.
http://lowkickmma.com/members/Brian-Cox/ Brian Cox
Well, Sonnen was controlling position and it "looked" like he was landing lots of punches, but they either weren't landing or weren't that hard. As I see it, at any rate.
Without re-judging or debating that fight, to me, regarding the larger issue, I see no legitimate solution to this problem, other than the law of the jungle, evolution, survival of the fittest and all the other cliches.
I do not believe that it's in the best interests of the sport to try and micro-manage, what really isn't, a significant problem. Fighters will adapt and get better, while the scoring and judging will never please everyone.
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I don't think he was faking, he just wasn't be effective, but even in that he was trying. It was certainly more than enough to allow him to continue and not be stood up.
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Fake punches? Do you think this is the WWE or something?
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I agree that every fighter should know how to wrestle. That said the way things are done rewards guys for training 90% wrestling and dabbling in the rest of the sport while truly well rounded fighters are at a disadvantage because they can't possibly reach the level of these wrestlers without neglecting the rest of their game. GSP is a perfect example of this. With how good his striking is he should be able to KO guys all day. He used to be a pretty dangerous striker. Since he started to really focus on wrestling above all else, he has maintained most of his ability to land shots but it isn't what it used to be. I am all for rewarding take downs but not more so than every other aspect of the game. The point of MMA is to get as close to real combat as can be done while still being a sport. If you lay in someone's guard absorbing damage in a street fight while they beat on you, you lose the fight. You took the guy down but he still beat you up, you lost. It should be the same in MMA.
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every year theres articles, debates, and finally arguments about this topic. and yet nothing has change, nothing, 0,nada, same rules same refs same judges. So im with MMA Truth on this one….just deal with it
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where do they get these judges anyways? maybe from ping pong tournaments?
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joe rogan should judge the fight, a lot of fans seem to listen to him anyway.
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Knockout or submission gets a win. 3 rounds gets a draw.
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I think it has to do with the culture. If winning wasn't touted as the best possible outcome and losing wasn't so punishable, there would be a lot of guys who would put on exciting fights. But because fighters and media are obsessed with the best in the world, and winning is the only promise of being the best, guys care more about winning than putting on a good show. Case in point, GSP.
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I appreciate wrestling, when used with other skillsets. Wrestling should be used not just to control–but to set up for submissions or GnP.
But the Hendricks vs. Condit fight really stumped me. While Hendricks did take Condit down–showing agression and control–albeit briefly–once on the ground–Biggus Riggus did no damage. In fact, he was taking so much damage while on top–he was ovbiously uncomfortable while in top position.
I had the stand up close to a tie–with an edge to Condit–as he came on gangbusters in the last two rounds. It seemed to me that Hendricks was taking Condit down to avoid getting hit, and to hold Condit down–not as an attempt to finish Condit or do real damage.
So honestly, by the current rules of MMA, Hendricks won the match because of the takedowns–but I personally thought Condit won the fight–barely. I am pretty sure if that fight was 5 rounds, Hendricks would have been in trouble.
However you score that fight–it was an excellent fight.
Funny thing though–no one seemed to criticize Condit or Biggus Riggus for not finishing the fight.
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why did i have to watch a video just to read the article ? c'mon lowkick
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DJs intent on stemming margin falls
PUBLISHED: 23 Aug 2012 09:43:00 | UPDATED: 25 Aug 2012 00:45:10PUBLISHED: 23 Aug 2012 PRINT EDITION: 24 Aug 2012David Jones CEO Paul Zahra. Photo: Louie Douvis
Sue Mitchell
David Jones chief executive Paul Zahra says the department store chain is doing "10 years' work in 10 months" to stem the sales and margin squeeze that will drag 2012 profits down by as much as 40 per cent.
The upmarket retailer is reducing floor space for low-margin products such as gift wrap and books in favour of higher-margin cosmetics and accessories, negotiating with global suppliers to cut wholesale prices, introducing new brands, curtailing discounting and hiring new sales staff while rebuilding its online store ahead of a relaunch before Christmas.
While well-heeled customers spent more on luxury goods and youth brands in the July quarter, "middle Australia" remained reluctant to shop and David Jones' sales fell for the seventh consecutive quarter.
"The luxury end of our business is doing quite well . . . and young fashion is in positive growth," Mr Zahra said. "Anyone who is not concerned about the future is shopping. But the more modest ranges we stock is where we are doing it a little bit tougher," he said.
Weakness in homewares and electrical products offset growth in beauty and fashion and softer sales in NSW and Queensland countered gains in Victoria and Western Australia. Fourth- quarter sales slipped 1.3 per cent to $455.8 million, dragging sales for the year down 4.6 per cent to $1.87 billion.
The fourth-quarter result was an improvement on the 3.1 per cent decline in same-store sales in the April quarter, but analysts had been hoping for flat sales given the unprecedented 10 per cent fall in same-store sales in the July quarter of 2011.
Mr Zahra said sales momentum was improving month by month and he hoped to return to positive territory this quarter. But Deutsche Bank analyst Michael Simotas said the latest figures did not indicate a significant improvement in the downward trend over two years.
"With sales continuing to decline and operating costs increasing [due to underlying cost inflation and investment in service], the economics will likely continue to deteriorate," said Mr Simotas, who is forecasting a 4.6 per cent profit rise in 2013.
Sales growth was undermined by mounting price deflation as more international suppliers agreed to trim prices to help David Jones compete against international online competitors. David Jones is now selling shirts by French brand Equipment, for example, at a lower price than net-a-porter."We are seeing continued price deflation, particularly in the electrical area, but equally prices are coming down across the board – in beauty, accessories and even in women's and menswear," Mr Zahra said. "We are getting great cut through on price harmonisation – it's complex but most of our suppliers get it."
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27.10.03 The most feared man in the 154-pound division, IBF jr. middleweight champion WINKY WRIGHT, 45-3 (25 KOs), read with great amusement, from his St. Petersburg, FL-based training camp, the excuses offered by the self-proclaimed Aztec Warrior Fernando Vargas, whom Wright has dubbed The NASDAQ Warrior, for not accepting Wright's numerous invitations to fight for his world title in their next fight. I am calling Vargas The NASDAQ Warrior because he is under the counter HIDING from real fights, said Wright. "His stock has been dropping with every fight since I pasted him in 1999." Vargas was repeatedly asked on a recent media conference call why he was fighting journeymen and refusing a world title rematch against Wright. Vargas escaped with a disputed and highly-controversial majority decision victory in 1999. No one wants to see a slap fest, said Vargas Translation -- Fernandoid -- it rhymes with steroid -- does not want to get slapped around the ring by me again, responded Wright. He remembers I was the one backing him up the whole fight and knocked his mouthpiece out in the ninth round. Maybe those steroids he took shrunk up his nuts to raisins and he does not have the guts to fight me. Fernandoid, who is world-rated No. 2, already fought a tune-up against Fitz Vanderpool. Now he needs ANOTHER tune-up against Tony Marshall?!!" continued Wright. "Hell, I beat Marshall EIGHT YEARS AGO IN HIS PRIME!!! Marshall has lost four of his last six bouts, and was knocked out in the third round of his most recent fight!" Next on Fernandoid's "hit charade" is a title elimination bout against Javier Castillejo. "Who ever heard of a tune-up for an elimination bout?" asked Wright. "Real fighters fight for world title shots. That is what this game is all about. Fernandoid is not a warrior. He is a complete wreck. Wright, who is two years into his second reign as a world jr. middleweight champion, defends his title against NABA champion and IBF No. 6-rated contender Angel Hernandez, Saturday, November 8, in the co-main event to the Roy Jones, Jr. Antonio Tarver light-heavyweight world championship at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, NV. Both fights will be televised live on HBO Pay-Per-View, beginning at 9 P.M. EST / 6 P.M. PST.
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Optelecom-NKF, Inc. Announces Completion Of Acquisition By TKH Group N.V.
GERMANTOWN, Md., Jan. 28, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Optelecom-NKF, Inc. (Nasdaq: OPTC, "Optelecom-NKF") announces the completion of its acquisition by TKH Group N.V. (NYSE Euronext Amsterdam, AMS: TWEKA, "TKH") on January 27, 2011.
Pursuant to the merger agreement by and among Optelecom-NKF, TKH and a subsidiary of TKH, Optelecom-NKF's stockholders are entitled to receive $2.45 in cash, without interest and less any applicable withholding taxes, for each share of Optelecom-NKF's common stock owned by them. As a result of the merger, Optelecom-NKF's common stock is no longer listed for trading on The Nasdaq Capital Market effective as of the close of business on January 27, 2011.
Alexander van der Lof, CEO of technology company TKH stated that Optelecom-NKF will contribute to TKH's ambitious growth path in security solutions. The specific market niches that Optelecom-NKF serves will benefit from the complementary portfolio and technologies within the TKH group. Through our combined sales forces we will be able to grow our market share in the world wide security solutions market.
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Solia 1875W Thermal Ionic Hair DryerAnonymousVery GoodThis is a very good product for the fair price, Ill recommend this product to anyone that is loooking for a VERY good hairdryer.NO FLIES AWAY!!!!!!!posted May 1, 2008Link to this post
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Solia 1875W Thermal Ionic Hair DryerIzzyVictoria, BC CANADAThe Best Hair Dryer I've Ever OwnedAfter using hair dryers bought at the drug store all my life, I decided to treat myself to a good one. I read a lot of reviews and decided on this one. Although it isnt the quietest hair dryer, it makes my hair so smooth that I dont even need to use my flat iron most days! I have really fine and frizzy wavy hair and my hair looks shiny and healthy everytime I use this dryer.I am really happy with my choice. And Folica is really nice to Canadian customers. I received my order within 2 days right before Christmas.posted Mar 2, 2008Link to this post
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Hi all, I'm Tijs (My forumnickname usually is Tizer, but it was already taken ) from Team Wreck it Sideways. I am the 2012 National RC Drifting champion here in the Netherlands. I use a Yokomo DRB as my competitioncar.
I recieved my HDT045070B Digital Brushless Low Profile servo this week and I love it! It feels very solid and man is it fast! The dimensions and spline are similar to the Futaba S9550 I had in my car before. The OMG servo feels at the very least just as precise and its much faster than the Futaba. I also had a few other brand servo's in my car but they don't even come close. I made a little video of the speed that this servo has. I will have acces to a track next week so I can make another video of me actually driving the car with this servo in it.
And here's a few pictures I took while unboxing the servo: Very strong box, my package arrived with a few dents and scrapes and DHL had opened the box also.. But the servo (and box) were safe and unharmed Plenty of wire if you need it. Long wire comes in handy for an offroad car or a plane. Here it is in my Yokomo DRB. I need the smallest servo possible as I don't have a lot of room in my chassis. This one fits very nicely. |
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Thanks for Tom Hamiltion's Test video!
Jan 07, 2013, 03:51 AM | |
RC OMG Servo Test Video
Published on January 5th, 2013 | by DriftMission.com Staff DriftMission received a special package in the mail from a new Servo manufacturer called RC OMG. These servos are very precise and fast, the ones we received are all titanium gears. We will be providing reviews once we have enough time to adequately put them through the paces. As you can see from our video below this servo is insanely fast! DriftMission received a package of RC OMG servos to test out for RC Drifting. This was the first quick test of the RC OMG HDT065070B titanium gear servo. The HDT065070B servo is a powerful, accurate ultra speed precision digital servo with its heat sink aluminum case, long wear titanium gears, a precision brushless motor and improved electronics, legendary quality. It can be capable of 4.8 to 7.4 volt operation. The HDT065070B takes a whole new galaxy of performance. RC OMG provide legendary digital precision with higher torque and faster speed servos. ___________________________ Music used under license from danosongs Starburst Dreams Tags: Drift RC, driftmission, electronics, fast servo, for drift, high speed servo, omg, Rc Drift, rc drifting, RC OMG, servo, servos, video http://driftmission.com/rc-omg-servo-test-video/ |
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dunno why "wparsons" got such a stick in his ass. if u dont like this thread report it to the mods, if not stop pissing in our thread before we report you.
I deal with tough guys on my forums who think cause they live on the forum and have million post they are some how better than some one else.. go get some fresh ari and step back edit one more last thing I reported all the people who came into my review thread and call it spam, is this how you guys welcome new members trying to spread knowledge .. have fun haters |
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It has nothing to do with the "testers" experience, it's all that the manufacturer is soliciting (by giving you free parts in exchange for a review, that's considered a payment) reviews of their product. Quote:
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If you were sharing knowledge you wouldn't have started a thread full of specs without having seen the servo in person. If you wanted to make a legitimate review you would have real world testing with multiple other servos of the same quality and specs to compare quantitative results. |
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dont worry wparson u have been reported as well
please explain how im not spreading knowledge 1) specs of product before i got as i was excited 2)pictures of new product 3)video of new product 4)reviews from around the global the new product. 5)comparing it to a top end futaba and in no way does my review have to be beneficial, its a review bro what part dont u get . Its my thoughts and reviews on a product i am no the manufacture, i am giving me honest opinion, on a product that was giving me to test. |
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Fletch ready to start
Bournemouth legend Steve Fletcher insists he is ready to fulfil a starting role should he be called upon.The 38-year-old target man has had limited game time since being appointed assistant to new boss Lee Bradbury nine weeks ago, mainly entering as a second-half substitute for on-form striker Michael Symes.However, with Symes now struggling with a groin injury and the Cherries out of form having lost their last three matches the veteran may be handed his first start since New Year's Day against Charlton on Saturday.Fletcher told the Bournemouth Daily Echo: "Symesey did ever so well when he came in and kept me out, which was fine. We were winning and he was scoring goals and playing well. You don't change a winning formula and that kept me on the bench."But, we haven't had the results we would have wanted in our past three games. It would be easy to look back and say we should have done this or that but we made our decision based on lots of factors."We will have to wait and see whether I will start in the near future. A lot depends on Symesey and who we are playing. I've played 90 minutes a couple of times this season and also played 70 and 80 minutes. Just because I'm on the coaching side now, it doesn't mean I don't want to play."
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Maudena on 11/28/2010 9:59:00 AM more reviews by Maudena
Age: 30-35 Skin: Oily, Fair Hair: Black Eyes: Brown
It has a greasy after effect feeling, does not absorb that well (you end up over massaging the eye area),and the packaging looks cheap. It does not do anything for my dark circles. I am going to give this eye cream to my mum to try if it does help with her fine lines
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LOREBUNDE on 9/7/2010 2:45:00 PM more reviews by LOREBUNDE
Age: 44-55 Skin: Combination Hair: Blond Eyes: Blue
Running out of all my usual products so turning to my Mario Badescu samples I had stocked up on. First I thought it might of been my diet, too salty, as the next day I had slight puffiness under eyes.
I then used a different item for a few days. However, after putting this on again last night, woke up puffy. I do like the consistency but it just didn't work for me.
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gigglesbugg on 8/2/2010 3:43:00 AM more reviews by gigglesbugg
Age: 25-29 Skin: Combination, Medium, Neutral Hair: Black, Straight, Fine Eyes: Brown
I can't really comment of the effectiveness because I don't have a lot of problems around the eyes. I don't like the way this products feels. It is very greasy and I don't think it gets absorbed. On the other hand, a little goes a looooong way. I won't be purchasing again. I don't like to wake up with greasy eyes!
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*TOP REVIEWER* Abrial on 4/23/2010 5:24:00 PM more reviews by Abrial
Age: 19-24 Skin: Dry, Fair, Cool Hair: Blond Eyes: Blue
I really don't hate, nor do I love this product. I don't see any differences actually.
I have extremely dry skin, and I don't feel like for an eye cream that this moisturizes enough. Also I'm obviously very young so I don't have any fine lines or crows feet, but I do have really dark under eye circles. Dark circles and dry skin are the reason why I need eye cream, and for that I really don't feel like this works.
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book_worm on 4/23/2010 4:03:00 PM more reviews by book_worm
Age: 19-24 Skin: Sensitive, Fair, Warm Hair: Black, Straight, Medium Eyes: Brown
I seem to be in the minority here...but I actually like this product. Granted, I have no fine lines or obvious dark circles or puffiness. I was looking for a gentle cream for the eye area and this delivered. It was on the heavy side, but a little goes a long, long way. I first received this as a sample and it took me more than 2 months to go through the little pot! I ended up ordering the 0.5 oz format and I've been using it for a few weeks without making a dent in the product. I don't really like the packaging though, it's basically a big jar that leads to over-using and infection. Instead, I scooped out a dollop of it and put it the little sample pot that I first received. This way, I monitor the amount of product I use and I have less chances of contaminating the entire jar.
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GREENGAL on 4/10/2010 12:40:00 PM more reviews by GREENGAL
Age: 25-29 Skin: Oily, Olive Hair: Brunette Eyes: Other
I have been using a sample of this for about 3 weeks. No noticable differences yet. I am 28 so I dont have much wrinkles yet but I do get a little dark under the eye when I am tired. This if anything is just a good moisturizer for the under eye area. Keeps it hydrated throughout the day and works well with my erase paste concealer. Not sure of repurchase yet. I will use it up till its gone but for now its a no.
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shizumasa on 4/10/2010 12:52:00 AM more reviews by shizumasa
Age: 19-24 Skin: Combination, Fair-Medium Hair: Black Eyes: Black
I got this as a free sample and have been using it religiously for the last 2 months. Needless to say...I it just makes my under eye area look really greasy... Hasn't done anything to improve my eye area...and I actually have wrinkles appearing when I had none before. I guess the plus side is I got to try before I buy..
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Braethan on 4/8/2010 9:53:00 PM more reviews by Braethan
Age: 30-35 Skin: Normal, Medium Hair: Brunette Eyes: Brown
Another one of my mario must-haves! This eye cream diminished the fine lines and the the dark circles under my eyes. I use it every morning and night under my moisturizer. In the morning I do wait about 15 minutes for it to absorb before applying my foundation so as not to have a oily look. I dont notice any scent at all. Great product at a great price.
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jansonlygirl on 3/19/2010 10:28:00 PM more reviews by jansonlygirl
Age: 44-55 Skin: Other Hair: Other Eyes: Other
Love this eye cream! Really smoothed the tiny wrinkles the I had right under my lash line and brightened my dark circles and smoothed my eye lids!
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"Hyaluronic Acid formula helps lock in the skins own natural moisture without the use of heavy, greasy oils. Absorbent, medium weight cream for use day or night. Aloe based formula makes this cream suitable for all skin types, even sensitive."
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1) Locks in the skin's natural moisture: True, I guess. I don't know what that would look or feel like, but I do know that my skin doesn't feel as though it dries out even by the next morning.
2) Absorbent: True. It does however depend on how dry the area is. I find that it absorbs better when my skin is more dry or irritated, or absorbs faster.
3) Suitable for sensitive skin: True. Although it always differs from person to person, it does not affect my sensitive skin.
Although I have only gotten this as a sample, the full sized product comes in a larger tub. Very simple, yet slightly unhygienic. I don't mind this however for eye creams.
I've never really noticed a fragrance to the cream.
A very nice, light cream. In terms of thickness, I'd place it in the middle between thin and thick, and it is very spreadable and smooth. It has a slight oiliness to it, but nothing terrible. However, I would not see anyone being able to use this during the daytime, unless they had excessively dry skin.
Ease of Use:
No nonsense product to use. Just dab on lightly and let it soak in. I don't really like applying eye creams, as they never seem to really sink in or blend into my skin when I simply dab it on. Other than that issue for me, there are no difficulties to overcome with this product.
Bang for your Buck:
At $18.00US for 0.5oz, this is definitely on the steeper side. And considering that it is not a brand that is found locally in all countries, it can be even steeper when purchased online. As very little is needed, it can easily last for quite some time, so I would not say that the money spent would be a waste if the product works well for you.
Final Consensus:
Like many others have stated, this is a product that screams "meh". When I first tried it, I wasn't blown away, but I wasn't completely disappointed either. My eye area is naturally on the normal side, while dryness only occurs if I use drying products. When my skin is feeling very irritated, is burning or happens to be dehydrated, this cream really does work wonderfully. However, I think that it is still slightly too thick for my tastes, and I would never be able to use it on a daily basis. I've just spent the last two days testing out a new eye cream and discovered that it has caused VERY noticeable dehydration lines. I'm hoping that this cream will help return my eyes back to normal - and thankfully, it has! Dehydration lines are gone this morning, which caused me to raise my rating to a 4. Fragrance free, doesn't burn or string my eyes, and sinks in better than their Ceramide cream. I think that this would work great for someone with drier skin looking for simple hydration, and if it were locally available here in Canada aside from only a handful of salons, I'd consider buying it. But for now, I will not purchase. If anyone has used anything similar that is cheaper and widely available in Canada, please message me!
Overall Rating: 4/5
Price: 3/5
Packaging Quality: 2/5
Would you buy this product again: No.
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1st December 2012, 09:27 AM | #1 |
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Wharfedale crossover question
Apologies if this sounds like a newbie question. I've just changed caps on Wharfedale Diamond III bookshelf speakers after changing blown tweeters some time back to 6Ohm PSB units. On my speakers the high pass consisted of 6uF and a 2.2uF in series, with resultant capacitance of about 1.6uF. This would appear to give a crossover frequency of in excess of 7000Hz with 8Ohm tweeter, yet the label on the back claims 5000Hz. I've seen pictures of different Diamonds and they've had 4.7 and a 3.3uF caps, not sure if in series or parallel.
In any case I put 4.7uF (actual value 4.9) caps in because tables suggested 5.3uF for 6Ohm tweeter with 8Ohm woofer and I had the 4.7s on hand (and I live a long way from any electronics outlet). I also changed the 450uF caps on the "low pass'' which apparently (according, again, to the label) give "5th order" characteristics to the crossover, but I've read it's mainly to protect the woofer. The new caps checked out at around 480uF (my multimeter only goes to 200 so I had some maths to work out with a known sub-200 cap in series). Anyway the sound seems to be improved, which was the point of the exercise. Have I made any mathematical errors? |
1st December 2012, 06:03 PM | #2 |
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6uF and 2.2uF in series is just a bit odd. It does of course make an overall 1.5uF or so. Fairly typical cheap and cheerful high first order tweeter crossover. 1.5uF to 2.2uF in series with tweeter is common enough and protects tweeter from low frequencies.
Such low slope that crossover point is almost meaningless and depending on the woofer rolloff. The series 450uF low pass is designed to protect the woofer from subsonics. It may well have a 1mH series coil too, to boost the bass performance. Well, actually it rolls off the woofer in the midrange, which has the effect of making the bass relatively louder. I think I used to have this tiny 2 way speaker. Lively performance if a bit ragged. Quite nice. |
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Thanks Steve, yes, there is a 1.8mH coil, there (at least, that's what I measured it at). I have two other pairs of Wharfedale speakers (510s, which had issues, now sorted) and some 70s Lintons, which I gutted and replaced drivers and crossovers. While I didn't listen to the Lintons (only wanted the cabs to reduced the need for woodworking, not one of my strong points) the Diamonds and 510s have always astounded me in that they sound pretty good to my ears yet appear quite shoddily made in some respects. I bought the Diamonds and 510s new in 1989. They've been through a lot, including salt air and mouse infestation on a remote island. The Linton crossovers looked like they'd been thrown together with WWII bits, in 5 minutes.
I can only surmise that Wharfedale had a good supply of 6 and 2.2uF caps lying around when they put the Diamond IIIs together. They are the blue "Alcap" brand I've seen in other Wharfedales (pics online and the 510s). I had a great couple of weeks in and around Portsmouth in '77, Queen's Silver Jubilee. It's remarkable that Elizabeth has passed Gold and Diamond and has been queen my entire life (and I'm approaching 60). |
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Isn't that funny! I used some Linton cabinets for a complete rebuild too. Very solid!
If you're interested, there are some better tweeters around that might fit a small space: Morel Classic CAT408 Monacor DT-28N It's not hard to add an attenuator circuit to get levels right with wirewound resistors. I certainly like those little plastic bass units. You can stick rubbery carpet underlay on the sides too for the BBC sound. Replacement capacitors are easy too: Alcap 50V Low Loss Electrolytic capacitors for all audio and hi-fi loudspeaker crossover applications I realise you're not in the UK, but you get the idea? |
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Thanks for the links, Steve. I used some small (much smaller the the Wharfedale purple things) Miller and Kreisel buyout tweeters from the US in the Lintons, with some 6.5" carbon fibre woofers from a company here in Au/NZ called Jaycar. The original Linton 8" woofers had been replaced with cheap Jaycar-branded units, mounted at the rear of the baffle. I mounted the new drivers from the front, with a small ring to fill out the (surprisingly small) hole and rebated slightly so I could retain the Linton grilles.
These speakers were meant to be a reasonably cheap way to fill out the 7.1 set for AV, realising of course that one can buy cheap Chinese stuff even in my local electrical shop or from Ebay, but I wanted something I had made/assembled myself. The carbon woofers I had anyway, 4Ohm and designed more for car use although extremely heavy (despite the carbon fibre). I hadn't thought that Alcap caps were still around (so many great British companies having folded) so will bookmark the site for future cap needs. I have bought some stuff out of UK, as with US postage can be really scary, especially for large drivers, but quite reasonable (at least for small/light goods) out of UK. And, the service so far has always been friendly unlike some of my contact with US sellers. |
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The Diamond III crossover is 18dB/8ve. There'll be a 0.2mH air cored inductor between the 2 caps & earth.
Don't bother trying to get values for classic filter circuits. The better speaker makers stopped doing that in the 70s and designed the xovers to match the units/box response. Shame about your blown trebles. Are they the ones with a rectangular faceplate with rounded sides? These are some of my favourite treble units. The diaphragm material is now Unobtainium. |
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DT 94 - 8 Ohm DTW 72 - 8 Ohm Vifa D19TD-05 3/4" Poly Dome Tweeter 264-500 I'm not too sure they are really all that good though. Just bright. |
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I don't know if tweeters can "blow" as comprehensively as these ones (well, one of them at least) did. I pulled the grille off because the tweeter wasn't working- to find ferrofluid leaking in quite disturbing amounts. I opened the cab, to find that the magnet had actually fallen off the faceplate and was attached to the woofer's magnet. The tweeters are "truncated" i.e. a flattened circle, with a dome a little under 25mm. The PSB units I obtained from US are aluminium-domed and a little "bright". My circuit would have differing requirements now with that 6Ohm tweeter. In retrospect the Dayton 8Ohm truncated plate units would have been a better fit. Anyway the Diamonds do sound better to my ear with a new 4.7Uf cap replacing the series 6 & 2.2UF caps, which were approaching 25 years in age, too. I'd reckon Cooktown is a more pleasant place to be at the moment than where I am in western NSW. A week of 38-44C temps has left me frazzled, trying to catch up on outdoors chores now the temp's back to 32C- still drenched in sweat. |
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Valkyrie_Sera posted... Troll Harder, TC! I'm old FF fan and going to buy FFXIV:ARR because I love FFXI. FFXIV:ARR will be better so much than all the FF games. Enjoy your s***** game! yea, cause ff xiv worked out so well, too bad for you ARR is trying hard not to be anything like ff xi. --- PSN - Sacred_Darksoul | |
kirusu posted... LenneValkirye posted...The old fans are in denial because they expect a series aimed to teenagers to grow up and get old with them. yes yes, massive wars fought over magical implements and the kids who fight them is original. No its not. Not even for SE as teh Ivalice games exist. Please do not bring up the violence in the game as a way to say the story is good. this is the problem. Massive platitudes. Stop trying to represent something that charmed you as the only way a game can be handled. We are very sorry you didn't enjoy the other recent FF games outside of Type-0, (if you even understood the game which im not saying isn't possible, but people who i know who don't know a lick japanese proport that game even without knowledge of the story), but do not insult those who did enjoy the other games you didn't. We know what we appreciate just as much as you know what you appreciate. --- nobody owes you anything but a roll of the eye, a kick in the ass, and gaffaw at how much you suck | |
How exactly does a fan retire? --- It's not a JRPG until you kill a god. http://somestatic.tumblr.com Don't mess with Mrs. Chu; she'll put you in the soup. | |
Some_Static posted... How exactly does a fan retire? Apparently by whining for well over a decade on how the series is dead, while buying every new entry of said series on day one without fail. | |
Some_Static posted... How exactly does a fan retire? Stopping to care about FF. Stopping to play new FF. Stop to come to FF boards. Basically ignoring the series story and move on to ther games. I decided to stay just for the laughs. --- The official Vulcanus of the Shin Megami Tensei IV boards |
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