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Addressing school violence (2 letters)
Posted By DP Opinion On December 26, 2013 @ 5:02 pm In Letters | 136 Comments
Re: "School shootings: Early reporting may stop emotional crises from escalating to violence [1]," Dec. 24 news story.
Bravo to The Denver Post for publishing Colleen O'Connor's timely and useful article about Safe2Tell and the carnage it has prevented in Colorado schools.
Safe2Tell uses the same risk-communication principles as the industry-wide Aviation Safety Reporting System, which has saved an untold number of lives and has been adopted in other advanced countries.
We need to encourage more people, including students, to report suspicious behaviors that may lead to a school attack. Having an anonymous hotline answered by trained people who will report risks to police and school administrators is vitally important to the success of such a system.
O'Connor reports that Safe2Tell has no direct state funding. We need to correct that.
Bravo to The Post and reporter O'Connor.
Phillip K. Tompkins, Denver
This letter was published in the Dec. 27 edition.
Re: "Keeping perspective on school violence, [2]" Dec. 23 editorial.
Gov. John Hickenlooper said, "If you look at the number of kids who die in accidental deaths in swimming pools, [it is] far more than die in shootings."
Pardon me (pun intended), Gov. Hickenlooper, do you really think accidental drowning in swimming pools is even remotely comparable to the cold-blooded school shootings of our children? How do you write off such an alarming statistic of "an average of 23 youth deaths per year" from school homicides, equating it to an expression as frivolous as "once in a blue moon"?
Governor, please don't minimize the senseless murder of innocent students.
Ann Moore, Centennial
This letter was published in the Dec. 27 edition.
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136 Comments To "Addressing school violence (2 letters)"
#1 Comment By Robtf777 On December 26, 2013 @ 6:22 pm
"Gov. John Hickenlooper said, "If you look at the number of kids who
die in accidental deaths in swimming pools, [it is] far more than die in
Pardon me (pun intended), Gov. Hickenlooper, do you really think
accidental drowning in swimming pools is even remotely comparable to the
cold-blooded school shootings of our children? How do you write off
such an alarming statistic of "an average of 23 youth deaths per year"
from school homicides, equating it to an expression as frivolous as
"once in a blue moon"?"
Because someone who must defend the legality, the ethics, and the morality of…….abortion……that has terminated the living lives of over 1,000,000 living human lives every year……..can't possibly think rationally?
#2 Comment By thor On December 26, 2013 @ 6:35 pm
Safe2tell is just one aspect we need to utilize. Add to safe2tell shut down drills and an armed security person,be it an off duty cop or retired military. We can keep our kids safe if we intelligently approach the situation.
#3 Comment By Robtf777 On December 26, 2013 @ 6:44 pm
"We need to encourage more people, including students, to report
suspicious behaviors that may lead to a school attack. Having an
anonymous hotline answered by trained people who will report risks to
police and school administrators is vitally important to the success of
such a system."
But what of the Other Messages our kids are seeing……like the ones on T-Shirts that proudly proclaimed something to the effect of "Just Say NO To SNITCHING!"?
Our kids are exposed to a VARIETY of conflicting messages…….and each message that has gone to court has been upheld as being "freedom of speech"…..REGARDLESS of the "offensiveness" of the message.
We want our kids to treat each other as they would want to be treated……then we have music and video games that expound racist, sexist, and ethnic……ideologies……and where the player who kills the most people "wins."
We want our kids to treat each other as The Government, Our Society, and Our Culture…..says……we should treat other people…….and then they watch and listen to The Government, Our Society, Our Culture, Judges/Justices and Millions of People/Voters……Advocate for…..Insist that…..Demand that…..and Unashamingly DEFEND……the killing of the most tiniest and most innocent of all living human lives……by the MILLIONS…..via abortion.
We want our kids to report suspicious behaviors or conversations…….while, at the same time,……we are growing more concerned about the All-Intrusiveness of The Government/NSA/FBI to……watch and monitor every aspect of our lives……with at least the suggestion that kids should be….spies……on each other.
There seems to be a…..inconsistent…..and oftentimes……confusing…..balance on what it is we want our kids and our students to do…….with both the ACLU and Federal Judges/Justices then defending the "absolute right" of the "wrong influences" to be able to influence them.
#4 Comment By Fedup_withgungrabbers On December 26, 2013 @ 7:23 pm
Never did I think I would be defending Governor Hickenlooper but the fact is, Ann Moore, he made a good point. More kids do die drowning in private swimming pools than from gun violence and interestingly, no one's trying to ban swimming pools. He's also right that these types of shootings occur once in a blue moon. Despite the saturation media coverage they receive when they do occur, the fact is that they are extremely rare. Yet you get angry that he points out the facts that get in the way of your apparent dislike of gun ownership. Hickenlooper leaves a great deal to be desired but at least he is fairly pragmatic and level headed. The same cannot be said for members of the gun prohibition movement.
#5 Comment By irisman On December 26, 2013 @ 7:58 pm
There's no magic solution here. Also more kids are killed by guns in people's homes. One thing that might help in a few cases is to make the legal age to buy or own a gun 21 rather than 18. It has been shown that the frontal lobes of the brain, which control judgement, are not fully developed at age 18. At age 21 people tend to be less impulsive. This could help prevent a few school shootings.
#6 Comment By Robtf777 On December 26, 2013 @ 8:28 pm
You want to end School Violence? How about ending Violence in general?
The only way to end violence……is with something as dramatic as the Saul
to Paul Conversion…….or with something akin to that…..if anyone can come up with something that had as much as a dramatic effect as that had on Saul.
For those who don't know the story……and it is doubtful that most have never heard it before…..Saul was a persecutor of The Way…….as the followers of Jesus were known before the tag "Christians" was placed on them. Saul…..stood by….and held the
coats of those who stoned Stephen…..and then actually seemed to relish his self-anointed mission to hunt down, track, down, break into the homes of, drag away, beat, and imprison the followers of Jesus……who were doing nothing more or less than being a follower of Jesus.
The followers of Jesus weren't breaking into others homes, stealing from
anyone, nor were they assaulting or killing anyone. They followed Jesus
and did what Jesus did: Told people about Jesus, about God, about the
Kingdom of Heaven, and even performed miracles of physical healing.
But Saul…..relished…..persecuting them. Saul even got a letter from the
Jewish Authorities authorizing Saul to go to Damascus to find and bring back to Jerusalem any of The Way he could find there.
It was on that "road to Damascus" that Saul had his "Jesus Encounter"……and
the subsequent Saul to Paul Conversion…….in which Paul became NOT a
persecutor of "Christians"…..but one of the greatest evangelists of that time…..and whose letters make up a good part of the New Testament.
That Saul to Paul Conversion…..had an Immediate and Profound Effect on Saul/Paul…..who had a profound change…..of heart….and in his heart…..that changed forever how he interacted with other people.
GONE was the violence. GONE was the beatings he afflicted. GONE was breaking and entering. GONE was the desire to even think of murder, killing, beating.
In the place in his heart that used to be occupied by violence, violence, and violence…..in the "name of God"…..was love, joy, and peace…….and the desire to
preach, talk, discuss, and debate…..all things about and concerning God and Christ…."in the name of God/Christ."
THAT is what the Columbine Killers needed. THAT is what the Arapahoe High School Shooter needed. THAT is what the Sandy Hool School Shooter needed. THAT is what
the Washington Navy Shipyard Shooter needed. THAT is what the Aurora
Theater Shooter needed…..and needs. THAT is what the Virginia Tech
Shooter needed. THAT is what the Fort Hood Shooter needed and needs.
THAT is what the New Lofe Church Shooter needed. That is what Timothy
McVeigh needed. THAT is what Ted Bundy needed.
And THAT is what Abortion Doctor Tiller's Killer needed and needs.
They NEEDED….a change of heart…..that would have a profound effect on
how they thought, how they looked at life, how they thought about God
and Eternity, how they sought to solve and resolve problems……that
would have a profound effect on how they behaved.
Saul went from a "man of violence in the name of God" to a "man of peace in the name of….the same God"…..because of that Saul to Paul Conversion.
Now some will claim that…..we don't "need" God or Christ……that man-made made-up counseling, therapy, and psycho-therapy is just as good. If it is…..great…..go for it.
One of the problems from the git-go is what, though? It's kind of hard for an atheistic secularist to convince anyone to "change their ways"……if neither of them believes in heaven and hell……and they both believe that there are absolutely no eternal consequences to anyone's actions……no matter how good or bad they are. To an atheist……Hitler and Ghandi both ended up in the same eternal state of non-existence. And to a Pro-Hitler Nutcase…..Hitler had more fun.
That is why it is actually…..impossible…..to come up with something "like" or "akin" to a Saul to Paul Conversion…..that works as well as the real Saul to Paul Conversion.
Man-made made-up counseling, therapy, and psycho-babble-therapy…….is no substitution for the real thing…….that can change hearts……that can change hearts that changes the mind……that can change hearts that changes the mind that changes thoughts and actions and behaviors…….as well and as quickly as Saul became Paul…….as well as Violent Saul became Non-violent and Peaceful Paul.
#7 Comment By tomfromthenews On December 27, 2013 @ 8:03 am
I promise you there were regularly scheduled lockdown drills and an armed security guard at Arapahoe HS. Now what?
#8 Comment By thor On December 27, 2013 @ 8:06 am
And the results were way different than Newtown, that's what. And add to the mix Safe2Tell and the shooter may have been stopped. Thanks for helping me make my point.
#9 Comment By toohip On December 27, 2013 @ 8:35 am
This seems like a step in the right direction to offer a line of anonymous? communication of a fellow student who has expressed intent to harm someone or themselves. I'm sure the friends of the Arapaho high school shooter are second guessing if they could of prevented this by speaking up. The shooter expressed words "I want to kill him" meaning the teacher he was angry with, but how many kids say things like this when they're angry? One would want to believe if his friends TRULY believed he was going to carry it out, they would of spoke up, but they obviously had enough doubt that the risk of looking like a snitch or over-reacting type was stronger. Not the way to improve a relationship with your friends or peers, by going to the school VP or police to say you think Johnny might want to harm a teacher or fellow student.
Then there's the first line of defense, which appears to be the police and "school authorities" (typically the vice principal who's in charge of "discipline"). If you're already angry, especially at someone in authority like a teacher, someone with greater authority is confronting you and calling you out? Doesn't seem to be a viable solution to a deterrent, but rather just a delay in the act, with more anger. What's need is mental health counseling, and the parent needs to be involved then. Can't force the teen into mental health counseling, but the parent can.
The positive side of this program is that it provides a convenient line of communication, easy to remember, (and anonymous?) that could raise the flag of getting attention or help to the angry teen. But it shouldn't be accepted as a panacea for this problem, but a step in the right direction. That "step" is communication and awareness.
#10 Comment By toohip On December 27, 2013 @ 8:37 am
What! that would denying these 18 year-olds. . . their. . . FREEEEE-DOM! (oh, and their constitutional rights!) /sar/
#11 Comment By toohip On December 27, 2013 @ 8:42 am
Naturally the gun-nuts love any distraction from their inanimate object p-nis extensions! Then of course there's the obligatory bad analogy of banning swimming pools, because we know swimming pools were designed to drown kids!
So I guess Fedup, if you had to lose a child you'd pick gun violence, over an "accidental" pool drowning. . because, hey, what does it matter? The kid's dead, who cares. . . "how." The factor of prevention isn't an issue, it's quantity of death, not quality!
I really find it hard to believe you're lauding the comments and support of Hickenlooper, just because you think he made a pro-gun statement. Remember, Fedup, Hickenlooper signed those gun control laws, so he's not the pro-gun type of nut like you are!
#12 Comment By toohip On December 27, 2013 @ 8:46 am
How about encircling our public schools with concertina wire, maybe a machine gun emplacement in case there are several? Or a sniper on the roof top to watch suspicious activity in the parking lot or that kid reported on Safe2tell? And you forgot to mention arming the kindergarten teacher with a Glock, and pass a law to exclude the maximum magazine capacity and let her keep a few 30-round magazines around. . . just in case! Mo' gun, mo' guns, . it's the only solution to 'mo guns.
#13 Comment By toohip On December 27, 2013 @ 8:50 am
I've come to realize the failure of the arguments, rhetoric, and beliefs of the usual suspects in the face of facts, reality, and majority common sense, have gotten so desperate they now use leftie talking points, and claim that your commentary in some vague way makes their point. It won't be long before we hear. . "I'm rubber, you're glue, what bounces off me, sticks to you. . nanay neener!"
#14 Comment By thor On December 27, 2013 @ 9:08 am
Its "nana neener, not nanay neener. And since when does the left own a talking point? You've got to get out more.
#15 Comment By thor On December 27, 2013 @ 9:10 am
Governors often sign laws they don't agree with.
#16 Comment By eddie47 On December 27, 2013 @ 9:37 am
You are correct. How many times have parents heard their own kids say they hate them or "I wish you were dead" over a simple grounding. So we have to use strong parental skills in knowing what is said in jest/heat of the moment or a very serious threat. Almost always its the former.
#17 Comment By holyreality On December 27, 2013 @ 9:50 am
Rational is working to help people with a DOB and a name.
Irrational is worrying about those poor souls who have not squeezed their way into personhood.
Got it?
#18 Comment By holyreality On December 27, 2013 @ 9:56 am
Safe2tell, really?
While we should be able to tell proper authorities that we know of a person who may be unstable and intends to pull off a mass killing, we must ask where the line is between informing admistration of a possible Holmes/Klebold situation and a personal attack on someone who is not a threat.
IOW when is safe2tell a weapon in highschool gossip backstabbing that we all knew so well?
#19 Comment By Granny On December 27, 2013 @ 10:13 am
Somehow your comments drag abortions into nearly all discussions.
Were you ever raped? A young child victimized by incest? A mother of several children whose life would end if she carries the fetus to full term? A woman forced to carry a fetus with no chance of a live birth? A young woman worried that zealots want to rob you of access birth control?
If not, maybe you should stop judging others, telling women how to live their lives since you're obviously a male who has never had to worry about getting pregnant..Bottom line: What women do with their bodies is between a woman and God, not for you or anyone else to judge.
I have to wonder is you are just as concerned about helping people who had the misfortune to be born into abominable circumstances, or involved in helping the children now going hungry as a result of slashes in the programs that feed them.
It might also be beneficial to stay on topic, which in this case is protecting students from school violence.
#20 Comment By Cathy Waskewicz On December 27, 2013 @ 10:35 am
There may be less drownings…but the emotional toll on the school is far greater….
#21 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 27, 2013 @ 10:48 am
I believe you used that argument on a previous thread… didn't it also include something about "poopy cahcah?" Or was that your evil twin lesship?
#22 Comment By irisman On December 27, 2013 @ 10:48 am
Teenagers tend to be impulsive. that's why I suggested that the legal age for buying guns should be 21.
#23 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 27, 2013 @ 10:56 am
Yes, Hickenlooper signed the bills… that was the politically expedient thing for him to do. But you conveniently neglected to mention that he also went on record saying that he didn't believe that they would have prevented either Newtown, or the Aurora theater shooting, and that he didn't believe that they would prevent future occurrences. I'm sure that was just an honest oversight on your part, which you were planning to correct as soon as you had a spare moment.
#24 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 27, 2013 @ 11:03 am
That needs to be something for the Safe2Tell folks, the police, and the school administrators to sort out. Better they receive a hundred "got'cha" calls than miss the one that prevents another Sandy Hook.
#25 Comment By rwl On December 27, 2013 @ 12:20 pm
What's with liberals and their penis fetish?
#26 Comment By rwl On December 27, 2013 @ 12:21 pm
Yet you have no problem sending them into combat, armed with more than a little pea shooter.
#27 Comment By rwl On December 27, 2013 @ 12:29 pm
That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. But it is no more than an opinion.
#28 Comment By rwl On December 27, 2013 @ 12:31 pm
Just like making the drinking age 21 has reduced the number of drunk drivers?
#29 Comment By peterpi On December 27, 2013 @ 12:44 pm
A long-ago friend of mine might still be alive had such a suggestion been adopted.
On impulse, he bought a gun. On impulse, he drove into the eastern plains. On impulse, …
They found his body three days later.
#30 Comment By primafacie On December 27, 2013 @ 2:49 pm
Sounds to me like that could result in a hundred police investigations without probable cause.
#31 Comment By holyreality On December 27, 2013 @ 3:06 pm
Sadly it appears a Big Brother style turn in your neighbor police state tactic is necessary to "keep us safe".
#32 Comment By holyreality On December 27, 2013 @ 3:06 pm
Not to mention those scary guns
#33 Comment By Fedup_withgungrabbers On December 27, 2013 @ 5:47 pm
Exactly. Thanks to the scheduled lockdown drills and an armed security guard at Arapahoe HS, many lives were saved. This could have been much, much worse.
#34 Comment By Fedup_withgungrabbers On December 27, 2013 @ 6:03 pm
…If I had to "loose" a child, toohip? It's spelled "lose." Also, many guns are in fact designed to kill people, as in, they are designed for personal protection from violent attack. I'm glad the one I legally carry on a daily basis was designed for this purpose, because it provides a valuable deterrent to those who would do me harm. The right to kill in self-defense (if one reasonably believes he/she is in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily injury) is recognized and protected by law. Those who hate guns refuse to acknowledge this very legitimate reason for gun ownership.
#35 Comment By Fedup_withgungrabbers On December 27, 2013 @ 6:19 pm
Public policy shouldn't be based on emotion, it should be based on sound facts and reason.
#36 Comment By Fedup_withgungrabbers On December 27, 2013 @ 6:25 pm
It's all they have. No facts, no logic, just childish silliness.
#37 Comment By rwl On December 27, 2013 @ 7:14 pm
Just read an article in the DP about a REPUBLICAN bill in the house that would improve mental health care. Wonder if the Libs will strike it down in favor of pushing useless gun legislation.
#38 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 27, 2013 @ 7:40 pm
It's usually toohip who likes to share his fascination with male genitalia.
#39 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 27, 2013 @ 8:01 pm
I would think that someone communicating a threat, even if s/he does so in an off-handed way, would be sufficient probable cause to investigate the threat. The Secret Service certainly thinks so when the threat involves the President. And of course, if it's found that the report to Safe2Tell was made maliciously, there should be repercussions for that, as well.
#40 Comment By petty_patrol_tengu On December 27, 2013 @ 11:59 pm
Sure, but Robtf's claim that having such an opinion indicates irrationality is also an opinion. Kinda a dumb and toxic one at that.
#41 Comment By jinarvada On December 28, 2013 @ 9:09 am
Yes, it could have been worse. He could have had possession of a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine. Thanks to reasonable restrictions, this 18-year-old wasn't armed to the hilt, so many lives were saved.
#42 Comment By eddie47d On December 28, 2013 @ 9:09 am
Who said differently other than you? Every comment is an opinion including yours.
#43 Comment By Dave52 On December 28, 2013 @ 9:14 am
Someone used this, or just an anonymous call to my kids' high school two years ago, and the cops stopped two teenagers carrying 5 stolen guns on their way to school.
And I've been called by the sheriff twice now asking if my kids have witnessed so-and-so with a gun.
#44 Comment By eddie47d On December 28, 2013 @ 9:16 am
Who is the YOU? If anything that would include YOU or at least collective approval or guilt by all.
#45 Comment By eddie47d On December 28, 2013 @ 9:19 am
So you do support Stop & Frisk "just in case". That was sarcasm Papa!
#46 Comment By eddie47d On December 28, 2013 @ 9:22 am
Then why do you always use emotion in defense of the gun and sometimes claim slippery slope arguments. You refuse to admit there is another side of the argument which means facts are left out.
#47 Comment By eddie47d On December 28, 2013 @ 9:27 am
There had been many bills put forth by Democrats advocating for better mental health care yet Republicans refuse to pass them. I personally would accept any bill by either party that addresses mental health so which side are you really on ? Are you playing low brow politics or are you really concerned?
#48 Comment By primafacie On December 28, 2013 @ 10:29 am
Threats, of course. But this debate stretches well beyond that, to reporting and monitoring people who simply act strangely or show signs (to the lay person) of mental illness or instability. Launching investigations "because that guy is a weirdo" is a frightening prospect.
#49 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:44 am
Ah, the Spelling Police, alive and well! Can't find fault with my facts, so nail my spelling. O-K!
I'm aware, Fedup, that guns are designed to kill people. . . you don't take a Glock for duck hunting. . .but there's a big difference between a Glock for home defense and an AR-15 with 30 round magazine. What you're planning on an invasion of your home by a similarly armed gang of jack-booted army?
Don't ever carry in front of me, I will confront you on your "right." Just because you're a pussy ;o) and live in fear of everyone else doesn't mean you need to conceal carry, but we . . . understand. :o)
Really, Fedup, you have so much fear of your fellow man you have to carry a firearm with you? Fearful of that mom with a stroller or teenager on the skateboard, might be "illegally" conceal carrying or they're a "bad guy with a gun!" What a pitiful small world you live in. The reality is you probably couldn't defend yourself in a real world attack as the element of surprise is not with you. You're just fantasizing that movie-like scenario where someone pulls a gun and starts shooting people around you. . you not yet, and you get to pull your Glock and be the hero! Kind of like the Tucson wannabe who heard the news of the shooting on the radio, raced to the scene with is hand gun, pulled it and nearly pulled the trigger as he was about to shoot the old man who took the gun from the shooter as he paused to reload his 30-round magazine and was holding it on the shooter. Yeah, the "good guys with the guns" are already turning them on themselves in the recent story of the two concealed shooters who shot and killed themselves in a road rage argument.
I don't hate guns. . I love guns, remember! But I think the penis-extension better fits you, since you can't leave your guns and toys a home.
#50 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:47 am
ah, the old turn around the liberal talking points, ploy! We're not the ones who collect inanimate objects of death and destruction so we can fantasize playing soldier or hero. We're not the ones that "cling" to our firearms so much that we defend them as passionately as we do in clinging to our religion and morals. Hence the extension of the penis reference, since this is usually an all-male religion.
#51 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:49 am
Yeah. Sure. Ask the majority of Americans if they believe this is all "childish silliness!' Or the parents of Claire Davis, who the likes of you had to continue the pro-gun argument while talking about the Arapaho shooting on the news release of Claire's death. It's more than a passion with you. .it's a religion.
#52 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:51 am
OMG! You're now enabling Hickenlooper all because he made an analogy that YOU gun nuts believe endorses your believe that we shouldn't be any more excited about the deaths of children by guns then accidental pool drownings!? You really don't have any shame, do you? You keep endorsing Hick, and please, please, . . vote for him on his re-election because you believe in his values. Don't hold your breath on the latter.
#53 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:53 am
LOL. . . stupid and concise. Thanks, thor. All of you who hate Hick love it that he made a statement that you believe endorses your pro-gun agenda. LOLx2
#54 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 10:55 am
I didn't use "poopy cahcah" because I thought it might offend your sense of morality! Trying to give you a break, papa. But keep attacking the messenger, because the message is too complex to tackle.
#55 Comment By toohip On December 28, 2013 @ 11:00 am
ouch! you got me, thor! You nailed me in the misspelling of a informal taunt! Oh, the pain!
Actually it's "nanny neener" [5]
EVERYONE knows the talking points of the left and right, but it's obvious when the right has to use them like you and your ilk, here, it's a sign of desperation that you've run out of your tired talking points. Just like when you try to use the "pull your pants up" to me, when I called you out on your (racist) comments about young black men.
#56 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 11:13 am
The only thing stopping him from having an AR was the price tag. Your reasonable restrictions did nothing.
#57 Comment By Dano2 On December 28, 2013 @ 11:23 am
One of these incidents just happened – Repubs just…erm… shot down a mental health bill last week.
#58 Comment By Dano2 On December 28, 2013 @ 11:25 am
#59 Comment By Dano2 On December 28, 2013 @ 11:26 am
I tooootally agree – we should use the NSA to monitor for gun threats and mental health issues. Freedom, yasee.
#60 Comment By Dano2 On December 28, 2013 @ 11:28 am
Next step: all students wearing Kevlar (donated by Cabela's, visit a store near you today)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#61 Comment By rightwingliberal On December 28, 2013 @ 11:40 am
If that is what you think, then you are showing everybody how little you understand. You and Dano need to form a support group where you each can enjoy your little blue pills and revel in your belief that everybody is free to believe as they wish, as long as it is how YOU believe. Isn't that the Liberal mantra, either think like us, or we will shut you up.
#62 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 11:53 am
Maybe learn to read, then you would know who I was referring to.
#63 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 11:54 am
Oh boy, you got your tin foil hat back on.
#64 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 12:09 pm
The bill you speak of has bipartisan support. Coburn and Lee blocked it. However, they can't stop it for long.
#65 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 12:12 pm
If you had been a better friend, he would probably still be alive. Did you ever think of that, or are you transferring blame?
#66 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 12:50 pm
NOTHING in the law restricted this shooter to a shotgun… at age 18, he was eligible to purchase any "long gun" he wished, including an AR-15, if he so desired. He CHOSE to purchase a shotgun… perhaps it was all he could afford? AR-15s run upwards of $1000.00. I know it really burns you guys to admit it, but the ONLY thing that kept this shooting from becoming a massacre was that "good guy with a gun," in this case an armed Sheriff's Deputy. Had it not been for him, the shooter would have had free rein to fire, and kill, at will until other "good guys with guns" arrived. Spin it anyway you want, but those are the facts… even the Arapaho County Sheriff agrees. He said so several times.
#67 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 1:00 pm
No, TH, I was referring to his radio interviews where he specifically spoke about the gun laws passed last Spring vis-à-vis rampage shootings. Nothing was said about swimming pools. Of course, you already knew that… but it just didn't fit your paradigm, so you chose to twist it around, and lie about it in order to further your agenda. And as to voting for Mr. Hickenlooper… didn't last time; won't this time.
#68 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 1:03 pm
Good for you, TH! You've got all of Obama's talking points down pat. I don't think you missed even one… you must have been "clinging" to his press clippings.
#69 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 1:48 pm
First of all, you forgot to insert "negro" between "jack-booted" and "army," like you always do… kinda left your point a little flat.
Secondly, I'd really like you to ask the twelve people who were killed in Aurora about the "fantasy" of that "movie-like scenario where someone pulls a gun and starts shooting people around (them)…" or ask the twelve who were killed at the Navy Yard… or the 32 at Virginia Tech… or the six in Tucson… or the eleven at Ft. Hood… or the thirteen at Columbine… or….. Oh, wait, you can't ask them, 'cause THEY"RE ALL DEAD!!! These things happen, and they don't happen because of Fedup, or me, or the approximately 150 million other legal firearm owners out there who will go through their (our) entire lives without ever hurting another soul with a firearm. They happen because very, very rarely, some crazed nut-case goes off the rails and commits an unspeakable act. For the most part, they do it out of the blue, with no warning, whatsoever. It's impossible to predict where, or when, they'll take place… if we could, then they wouldn't happen, would they?
Guys like Fedup and me, and the tens of thousands of other concealed handgun permit (CHP) holders just here in Colorado alone, understand this reality. We're not paranoid, we're pragmatic… we know that the *probability* of ever being confronted with such a situation is miniscule. But we also understand that the *possibility* is always there. It's an ugly reality that isn't going to go away… another of those "inconvenient truths" one of your idols spoke about. So, we choose to be prepared for that unlikely possibility. And you're right… it may not even help. But here's the deal… unlike you, toohip, if I'm going to die, I'm going to die fighting for my life, not begging for it. If that makes you uncomfortable… tough. Get over it.
#70 Comment By rwl On December 28, 2013 @ 3:00 pm
I guess in your world, nobody has ever been raped while jogging, nobody has ever been car-jacked, robbed at gun or knife point. IN your world, everybody is perfect. You are the delusional one. By the way, the AZ shooter COMPLETED a mag change. The only reason he was able to be tackled is the magazine jammed.
#71 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 4:15 pm
Actually, I've always supported "Stop & Frisk" with reasonable suspicion, a standard that's a tad lower than probable cause.
#72 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 4:18 pm
I use the pull your pants up to you because you missed my.point andso you misuse racist because you are clueless.
#73 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 4:20 pm
I agree with you… if acting "weird" was the criterion, a simple walk down the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder could elicit a hundred calls. But like I said, misuse of the system can be addressed with appropriate consequences. In the Arapaho High case, though, the shooter openly spoke of wanting to harm his coach, and that's exactly what Safe2Tell was devised for.
#74 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 4:37 pm
Whoa, dude… we're on the same side here, but that was way too much, and totally uncalled for.
#75 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 4:55 pm
this sounds like the KGB asking soviet kids if their parents or any neighbors have voiced displeasure with the soviet regime, or the nazi gestapo telling young Germans it is their duty to spy on their neighbors and relatives.
#76 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 4:58 pm
The only way that any person who is accused of being "mentally deficient" to be deprived of their civil right of firearms ownership is for them to be subjected to a trial with a jury, prosecutor and judge, and a defense attorney, with compulsory means of obtaining witnesses in their favor.
That's as it should be. For due process is guaranteed to all citizens.
#77 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:01 pm
Believe that the stats say that there are more drownings of children than there are victims of school shootings.
A child who dies in an accidental drowning is no less dead than one who is shot.
Basing public policy on hatred and fear of inanimate objects, because one is not mature enough, emotionally or logically, to handle the stresses of life is not a good means of ruling a country.
#78 Comment By Dave52 On December 28, 2013 @ 5:03 pm
I don't have any idea how to respond to the concept that anonymously phoning the police to inform them that two kids are on their way to shoot up a school is akin to the KGB forcing kids to inform on their parents.
#79 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:05 pm
It is always those who oppose the civil right of gun ownership and freedom and who support slavery who use only the emotions of hatred and fear to gain support of their cause, not those who support the right to own and carry arms.
You claim that those whom you hate use "slippery slope" arguments, but their arguments are based on facts, logic and reasoning, which show that the anti-gun side always uses hatred and fear of inanimate objects to support their pro-slavery, anti-freedom campaign.
And the facts support the argument that if any guns are banned, then all guns can be banned, and if the 2nd amendment is destroyed, then the rest of the Bill of RIghts is meaningless.
SInce you and your like never present any facts, but only use emotion to support your arguments, what facts are left out?
#80 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:09 pm
Wrong, papa, for if they receive one erroneous phone call, that is way too many. It is reminiscent of the KGB's (old Soviet state police) and Gestapo's telling the children of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany that their duty was to inform on their parents and other relatives,and any acquaintances they suspected might be undesirables.
If you are willing to give up any liberty in return for some illlusory increase in safety or security, you deserve neither safety or security or any degree of freedom, and you will lose your liberty and have nothing.
#81 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:10 pm
What is "freedom" about encouraging people to spy on each other, and letting government spy on people without any reason? For ownership/carrying of firearms is not a crime (except to hoplophobic liberals).
#82 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:11 pm
A lot of people make so-called "threats" about others without meaning to carry out those threats.
#83 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:13 pm
So you support violation of the fourth amendment just because you are "suspicious" of another's actions, or statements?
Ben Franklin warned us many years ago of people like you–those who are willing to trade even the smallest degree of freedom in exchange for some illusory or promised increase in their own security. He stated that such people deserve neither freedom nor security. And many wise people have stated that such people will cause everyone to lose both freedom and security.
#84 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:18 pm
Yet teenagers often handle guns as safely if nor more safely than their supposedly more mature grown up relatives. In fact, "children" as young as six to eight years of age have used firearms in defense of their homes, often without a shot even being fired. It all depends on their training.
From the 1700s up through the mid twentieth century, kids could take their guns to school in many of the western states (and quite a few states east of the Mississippi, also) and there were few, if any mass shootings.
The primary reason we have such shootings is becaluse of the idiotic and unconstitutional "gun free zone" laws that deprive only those persons who are neither inclined or determined to rob, rape, maim or kill others from having firearms for their own defense anywhere they wish to go. Those who support such unconstitutional, idiotic laws want to make things easier for those who are determined to kill others, and harder on those criminals' victims, and make it more likely that the murderers will commit such crimes, and be successful in them.
#85 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:19 pm
What you are saying is that you ignored his problems, and couldn't be bothered with helping him.
#86 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:21 pm
disagree, papa, for it's pretty apparent that "peterpi" is assigning blame on everyone else for his "friend's" evident suicide.
#87 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:23 pm
read the name of the person to whom "rwl" responded ("irisman"), who said he/she supports making it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to buy a firearm. (Yet we send soldiers into combat at the age of 18, sometimes with weapons far more powerful than any handgun, rifle or shotgun. d)
#88 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:28 pm
Where is the factual support for your unsupported statement that "more kids are killed by guns in people's homes"? For there is none. In the first place, irisman, guns are inanimate objects, with no will of their own, and they don't walk around choosing people at random and killing them. Only a person can cause the death of another with a firearm, and they use weapons other than firearms almost as often as they do firearms.
It's quite strange that what you would call "children" of the age of six or seven, can and have learned how to handle firearms safely, and used them safely in marksmanship competitions, and many other venues without ever harming anyone. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to show that any child who is brought up to respect firearms and to handle them safely, is far more mature than people like you who claim that anyone under the age of 21 isn't to be trusted with anything that might present a danger to themselves or others, for such "children" normally don't commit crimes of any kind. .
#89 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:29 pm
And you and your like would deny EVERYONE their freedom, impose slavery upon them, and deny them all rights, because you and your like are terrified of inanimate objects that never do anything by themselves.
#90 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:32 pm
Naturally you anti-gun fanatics fail to see any logic or reasoning in the facts Both Fedup and Governor Hickenlooper present. For you have no facts to support your irrational hate and fear based opposition to gun ownership
Your totally irrational non-sequiturs and personal attacks on "Fedup" are evidence of your hatred for the truth, for freedom and for logic and reasoning.
#91 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:34 pm
it's more than a passion or a religion with you anti-gun fanatics, toohip, it's an obsessive and totally misplaced hatred and fear of those inanimate objects that do nothing unless a PERSON picks them up and uses them to kill people.
#92 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 5:35 pm
Unless someone kills my dog or steals my truck,I don't hate them. This was not a stream of conscience, but it was equally inane.
#93 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:36 pm
No one is under the delusion that Hickenlooper endorses any pro-gun agenda, despite your lies, TH. But he was telling the truth when he stated that more children die in accidental pool drownings than are killed in mass shootings. (And way more children die in automobile accidents (despite regulations on those massive juggernauts) than in any shootings, nationwide.
#94 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 5:38 pm
Turning around liberal talking points isn't a ploy. It is more like playing with children. So,in the end,pull up your pants and quit thinking you even know what that discussion was about.
#95 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 5:41 pm
You have only a progressive understanding of what guns are designed for. We have over 300 million guns in our country,but percentage wise, very few are used to kill people. So drop the penis nonsense, pull up your pants and think outside of your progressive box.
#96 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:41 pm
why limit the "armed security person" to just off-duty cops or retired military? Why not restore the right of constitutional carry to all adults who work in and around schools? (By constitutional carry, I mean the ability to carry firearms anywhere a citizen goes, without having to get any governmental entity's permission, and without any government entity's knowledge). Many (if not most) workers in and around schools are parents also, and I believe many would be willing to provide that little bit of extra security that their armed presence on the school grounds would make. And that would cost the taxpayers nothing.
Many school districts in Texas and other states that have only a small police force and are from 30 minutes to an hour from any place where a law enforcement might be, have restored the right to carry to their teachers and administrators, with no problems.
#97 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:42 pm
There's no solution to your ignorance and hatred/fear of inanimate objects, and your opposition to freedom, is there TH.
#98 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 5:43 pm
His only purpose on here is to spread his progressive agenda. Even liberals on here make sense at times.
#99 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:44 pm
One armed security guard at Araphoe HS. Whoopie. And he didn't stop the kid who walked brazenly into the school with his shotgun, before he began shooting.
But because that police officer was able to get to where the young man was within a minute (instead of the 10 minutes to an hour common with other shootings in gun free zones) he did probably stop the kid from killing any other victims.
#100 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:45 pm
wrong. The shooter had a shotgun, which is far more deadly at close range than any AR-15.
#101 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:47 pm
You and your like never use any facts, nor any degree of reality, or any degree of common sense to support your irrational hatred and fear of the inanimate objects that you believe are walking around killing people at random. Nor do your idiotic childish comments help your cause any
#102 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:56 pm
How many abortions nationwide are because the woman was raped or the victim of incest, or a woman who "MIGHT" die if the pregnancy is carried to full term, or a woman who is "forced to carry a fetus with no chance of a live birth", in any given year, Granny? Less than 3%, according to Planned Parenthood's own statistics. Over 97% of abortions are strictly for the "convenience" of the woman, who doesn't want to be "bothered" with the pregnancy, or with caring for the baby after its birth.
The subject is the un-necessary deaths of human beings, is it not, granny? Perhaps if the idea of the sanctity of a human life, were restored by making it illegal to murder an unborn human child, there might be fewer murders of children in schools (and in the inner cities of our nation where law-abiding citizens are the only ones who have no weapons with which they can defend themselves, any more than can an unborn child defend itself against the murderer who kills it. It is because of this not respecting the value of all human life that we have so many shootings. Even Louis Farrakhan said something to that extent about 20 years or so ago, IIRC.
Abortion is and always has been first degree murder, granny. It is not a right, and even the Roe V. Wade court did not declare it to be a right. All that decision stated was that it had invented a "right to privacy" out of thin air and applied it through some lack of logic to the murder of unborn children.
Where is it written in the Constitution that the federal government is responsible for providing health care or food, or anything else to any individual, granny.
#103 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 5:59 pm
Those poor souls are living human beings, who are persons from the time the fertilized embryo begins to develop in the mother's womb, holyreality. They cannot be "non-persons" at any time during the pregnancy and still be human beings (persons, if you will) after their birth, for that flies in the face of all logic, reason and scientific fact.
#104 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 6:01 pm
Opinions based on facts, logic and reason, as robtf's comments were, are far more than opinions, though, eddie. They stand the test of time, unlike those opinions based on fear, hatred, and lies.
#105 Comment By ags4ever On December 28, 2013 @ 6:02 pm
Such a statement is based on fact, logic and reason, though, for opposing the murder of unborn children is the same as opposing the murder of those who are born. The only difference between the victims in either case is their age.
#106 Comment By thor On December 28, 2013 @ 7:22 pm
When working with liberals, you have to take small steps.
#107 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 28, 2013 @ 11:36 pm
But how can you know the difference… or are you advocating for allowing the carnage to take place, and only then connect the dots? Hindsight is, indeed, 20-20, but that doesn't do much for the dead.
#108 Comment By Papa Smurf On December 29, 2013 @ 3:25 am
It is NOTHING like the KGB, or the Gestapo… if you don't see that, you're an even bigger idiot than I already think you are. And BTW, You're no Ben Franklin… you never were… you never will be.
#109 Comment By holyreality On December 29, 2013 @ 3:47 pm
I agree with your sentiment, but personhood is established with a DOB and a name. This simple fact, while not scientific is a legal fact none the less.
#110 Comment By toohip On December 30, 2013 @ 10:57 am
No I think that's you TeaHadis. . see: gov't shut down. The penis-extension is an old reference to you guys who love your guns, as the typical guy who loves his penis. I didn't think it up, but thanks anyway!
#111 Comment By toohip On December 30, 2013 @ 10:57 am
Really? Obama uses the penis-extension talking point! Another Republican conspiracy theory? Ain't reality a b-tch!
#112 Comment By toohip On December 30, 2013 @ 11:01 am
a "progressive understanding?" Wow. Not a "free-thinking" understanding???? Oh, so this is the new talking point from the NRA. . the ratio of gun deaths per firearm owned? Wow (again). That's really pathitic, like pointing out more children drown in pools than in school shootings! My "understanding" of firearms, first of all precedes you thor, both in time and experience. I "may" know more about guns then you, does that count for "understanding?" Or do I have to drink the NRA kool-aid and grab my member and yell. . "this my rifle, this is my gun. . this for killing, this if for fun!" I actually had to in the Marines back in 1969.
#113 Comment By thor On December 30, 2013 @ 3:20 pm
If you first touched a fire arm in 1969,then you did not touch one before me. And if you really knew anything about fire arms,then you would call them that. Guns in the hands of a Marine are for killing, but you are no longer a Marine, so you have to broaden your understanding. Most guns are used to either hunt or target shoot.
#114 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 5:53 pm
the fact is that personhood is established by the fact that a genetically unique human being is created when the human egg cell and human sperm cell unite, and the fertilized egg begins to develop. Obviously you never have known any pregnant women who wanted to keep their child, for they know that they are carrying a "person" the instant they even susplect they are pregnant.
If that person that is created by the union of the sperm and egg cells is ever considered to be non-human at any time during the pregnancy, then what agency makes it human when it is born. It cannot be something that it was not during the pregnancy.
#115 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 5:54 pm
Spying on others is despicable no matter what reason is given for that action. How can you be certain that "two kids are on their way to shoot up a school", when they could be just taking the weapons to a shooting range for some target practice.
#116 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 5:58 pm
Typical of your like, smurf. Even though we agree on many things, you are too willing to give up freedom for the never fulfilled promises of those who wish to destroy the constitution. Obviously, you refuse to see the clearly parallel advocacy between informing on others about some illusory school safety and informing on others who have said something against the government in power.
I notice that you prefer to use nothing but personal attacks in your defense of spying on others, showing everyone that you know you don't have any facts whatever, or any conceivable form of logic or reasoning ability to support your own opinions.
BTW, quoting Ben Franklin (or any other of the Founding Fathers, or any other authority) hardly means that the person is claiming to be that person, (except possibly in the minds of persons who have problems comprehending what they read). Franklin's quote about those who are willing to give up any degree of freedom for some imagined form of safety has been quoted so often most people know the source without it being mentioned.
#117 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 5:59 pm
Secret Service is the Gestapo/KGB of this government.
#118 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 6:01 pm
I oppose the carnage, papa. I support keeping such things from happening by ensuring that there are no "gun free zones" where only the law-abiding citizens are disarmed, for it has long been known (since the early 19th century, at least) that the presence of armed citizens is a strong deterrent to the desires of evil doers.
#119 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 6:05 pm
The odds of any liberal making sense at any time are about the same as having a room full of chimpanzees turn out something like the Holy Bible by banging away at random on keyboards.
#120 Comment By ags4ever On December 30, 2013 @ 6:08 pm
why? Their ultimate objective is the total banning and confiscation of all privately owned weapons. Make it clear that the gun owners will accept nothing less than being able to own any gun they wish and be able to carry them anywhere they please without having to get government permission to do so.
#121 Comment By holyreality On December 30, 2013 @ 10:02 pm
Boo Hoo
The sooner you RTLers work to help children with a name and DOB, the sooner I'd give credence to your protests.
All you guys care about is controlling the wimmen and their naughty bits, grandstanding on some pseudo-scientific rhetoric is mere distraction.
As it is now, the unborn are precious, but as soon as they are born it is all get a job you bum.
#122 Comment By ags4ever On December 31, 2013 @ 4:31 am
People who oppose the murder of innocent unborn children also oppose the murder of innocent children (and adults) who have been born. But you and your like support the murder of innocent unborn children and then hypocritically claim to oppose the murder of those who have been born. You are a liar and a hypocrite. (and you cannot even spell women correctly, further degrading them, despite your claim of upholding their honor.
Those who oppose the murder of innocent unborn children support those who are born with their own time and money (the way Jesus Christ told his followers to do) far more often than those who claim to be christians, but then demand that the goverment steal money from others to support those who prefer not to work when they can work.
Your personal attacks show that you know that you have no facts whatever, or any conceivable/possible form of logic or reasoning to support your own opinions.
#123 Comment By Dave52 On December 31, 2013 @ 7:46 am
Bull Hockey. The police stopped the two kids a block from the school, 5 guns, one is now in state prison. The other, a minor, was expelled, is under some sort of JV surveillance. And I'd love to shake the hand of whoever phoned it in.
#124 Comment By holyreality On December 31, 2013 @ 10:23 am
I never claimed to uphold any woman's honor, especially after they commit to a heinous decision.
What I do support is their right to self automny in their body and life.
The unborn human beings they choose to end is their decision alone and you, nor any other rabid RTLer have NO SAY in her private matter.
Take it to the election booth, lobby personhood to your Congressman and maybe after they're done kowtowing to the Lobby, they will have time to pander on your hot button issue.
Otherwise abortion is the law of the land and there is nothing else you can do, well you COULD call folks like me names.
#125 Comment By ags4ever On January 1, 2014 @ 11:32 pm
direct quote of your 2nd paragraph in your response to me two days ago: "All you guys care about is controlling the wimmen and their naughty
bits, grandstanding on some pseudo-scientific rhetoric is mere
distraction." So you are disproved once again.
Women have never had the right to murder anyone they please just because that person might "inconvenience them" at some point in their lives. But the unconstitutional Roe V. Wade court decision, which even the majority opinion in the case declared was based on "emanations" from the constitution (IOW–hot air). actually never established any "Right" to abortion. It merely stated there was a right of privacy.
I have more say in the right of an unborn child to live than any anti-gun fanatic has to declare that I don't have the right to own and carry arms if I so desire. For my opposition is to murder of an innocent human being, and a person. There is nothing in the pregnancy period or birth process a woman undergoes while carrying her child that that destroys the person hood that that unborn baby possesses from the mere fact that it is a human being from the time the fertilized embryo begins developing in the womb. Any claim that the baby is not a "person" at any time during the pregnancy negates any claim that the baby can become a "person" after its birth.
#126 Comment By ags4ever On January 1, 2014 @ 11:34 pm
And you show that you have no concept of the rights of individuals, for you would rather that dozens of innocent people would be killed by deranged individuals because you oppose the right to keep and bear arms.
How did that person know that the two people were not going to a rifle range for marksmanship practice, which is still legal in most states.?
BUt you and your like oppose freedom and support slavery with your every breath, don't you?
#127 Comment By Dave52 On January 2, 2014 @ 8:40 am
WTF? Lets see – I own, and use weekly, several guns, and I've used them in self-defense when I lived overseas. I have no problem with that at all. The person who phoned it in obviously had some knowledge of where they going, and they were stopped a block from the school. The firing range is 2 miles east of town, in a different direction, Ace.
As for 'opposing freedom and supporting slavery', if you mean I don't like kids shooting up schools, you're right. And if you mean that I support citizens helping save school children from getting shot up by informing the police, you're right.
#128 Comment By ags4ever On January 3, 2014 @ 12:41 am
by opposing freedom and supporting slavery I meant exactly what I stated. You oppose the right to keep and bear arms, therefore you support slavery, for the only thing that differentiates a free man from a slave is that the free man can own guns, and a slave cannot. Any attempt to prohibit the carrying of firearms is an attempt to enslave others. For that is the ONLY reason that such attempts are made. Depriving citizens of their inalienable right to own and carry firearms has no relationship to controlling crime, for its sole purpose is to enslave others.
|You support violation of peoples' freedom by informing on others, just as the KGB and Gestapo required the people of their slave countries to inform on others.
Obviously, the person who phoned any thing about another person's carrying firearms was acting on the same impulse you and your like always act upon–your inordinate fear and hatred of the freedom represented by firearms.
#129 Comment By Dave52 On January 3, 2014 @ 8:17 am
So, if I know that someone intents to shoot up a school, and for fear of retaliation by their thuggish family – say a gang – or what ever other reason I wish to remain anonymous, I phone up the police anyway and tell them who, where, and when this is going down. They go check it out, find out that its true, arrest, charge, try before a jury and convict the guys and send one to prison, the other into JuV.
That makes me a KGB / Gestapo with my inordinate fear and hatred of the freedom represented by firearms. Even though I own and use several myself.
Okeydokey. You keep it up, fella, you do more disservice to gun owners and users than you can possibly imagine.
#130 Comment By holyreality On January 3, 2014 @ 10:07 am
You have just as much "say" in a woman's decision on her pregnancy as a liberal gun grabber has in a nutjob's decision to go to the local gunsmith and procure deadly hardware to murder their fellow citizen.
AKA none at all.
#131 Comment By ags4ever On January 4, 2014 @ 6:28 pm
If the laws against first degree murder were enforced, which they are not, and that is one reason we have so many shootings in this country
I do have more of a right to declare that the unborn child has a right to live despite the satan driven desire of the un-natural "mother" to kill that child is wrong than she has to kill that unborn baby, for no one has ever had the right to kill another who was not directly threatening their life at the tim.
The fact that your response consists only of personal attacks against those with whom you disagree shows you know you have no facts, nor do you have any conceivable/possible form of logic or reasoning to support your worthless opinions.
#132 Comment By ags4ever On January 4, 2014 @ 6:31 pm
So you are capable of reading another person's mind, and divining what their intentions are, before they do it? Just carrying a firearm is no crime, in reality, except to those who are so terrified of weapons in general that they hate other's freedom to carry. ROFLMAO! Such is what the KGB and Gestapo depended upon in the 1930s and 1940s (Gestapo) and up through the 1980s (KGB).
Doubt that I do any disservice to gun owners. For I state only the truth. The attitude you espouse always has been the mainstay of police states everywhere.
#133 Comment By holyreality On January 5, 2014 @ 11:58 am
In the word of our dearly departed goodspkr;
#134 Comment By ags4ever On January 5, 2014 @ 6:20 pm
IOW, you know that you don't have any logical or rational reasons for opposing what I state, nor any factual support for anything you state, so you continue to make personal attacks, proving that you and your like care nothing about the lives of innocent people, because you hate and fear inanimate objects so much
#135 Comment By ags4ever On January 5, 2014 @ 6:27 pm
Obviously, you still show that you know you have no verifiable facts, nor any conceivable or possible form of logic or reasoning to support your own opinions that you make worthless by such comments.
Abortion is, and always has been, and always will be, first degree murder. You show by your support of abortion and gun free zones that you care nothing about the murder of innocent children and adults
#136 Comment By ags4ever On January 6, 2014 @ 8:17 pm
We notice again that you have no facts, nor any conceivable form of logic or reasoning to support your own comments, holyreality. Your response is typical of liberals who know they have lost the argument, and prefer only to make personal attacks or call names.
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"You do know your major is pretty much a worthless degree now, don't you?"
"Nobody can make a living, majoring in English," the person continued.
It wasn't as if I didn't know the current trend of things in academia and the outside world beyond the degree. It was the total lack of respect from the person speaking to me that had rendered me speechless.
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"Well, yeah, that," he said, "but the real world is the world of business. That's where you make money. That is what matters these days."
At that moment, I didn't choose to enter a conversation with this person about what is real and what is Real. I didn't think it was the time or place to instigate a dialogue about what matters most in life. Nor did I think for a moment that anything I said would change the mind-set of this person for whom what cannot be held in one's hand, measured on a graph or actually seen or heard by one's senses had absolutely no value whatsoever.
I walked away, stunned.
I walked away, sorrowful, as well. I have been told on more than one occasion, "English departments are shrinking," and "No one is interested in the humanities or the arts these days."
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Fly Your Linux Box by Gyromouse
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Pick it up off the table. Squeeze the trigger on the bottom and tilt your wrist slightly. The cursor instantly follows your every movement. It's accurate, wireless and projects the ultimate in techno appeal. It's an Ultra GT Gyromouse.
The Gyromouse, by Gyration, is an ultra high-tech pointing device, and it's the best thing to happen to mice since wireless. In fact, it is a wireless (proprietary RF) optical mouse with little gyroscopes that sense your hand motion. You hold the trigger button on the bottom and wave the Gyromouse around to move the cursor. Sit it on the desktop, and it magically becomes an optical desktop mouse.
My in-air mousing started several weeks ago, when the Gyromouse/Compact Keyboard suite appeared in a retailer's Sunday newspaper insert. The price, $119.95 US or about $88 US after rebates, was a little steep perhaps. But because I'm a Linux-only kind of guy who lugs around a 5-year-old 300MHz PII laptop and recycles ancient Pentiums for my Linux Lab, I thought I could splurge a little. The package came with the mouse, compact keyboard, RF receiver (USB), charger and software (for Windows). Naturally, I had no need for the software.
Several models of the mouse/keyboard suite are available in retail land. A quick call to Gyration confirmed that the 30-foot version (average distance the mouse can be used) was the latest consumer model. The early model is distinguished by its 25-foot range. Mega-dollar presentation pros might opt for the Gyromouse professional model with its 100-foot wireless capability and $180 price tag.
Installing the mouse and keyboard couldn't be easier. They both worked out of the box on one of my ancient Pentium desktops with SuSE 8.0 Linux Pro. I did have to edit several lines in my /etc/X11/XF86Config file so the Gyromouse would work with my 300MHz PII laptop, however. Specifically, I added an InputDevice section for the USB mouse.
Section "InputDevice" Driver "mouse" Identifier "USB mouse" Option "ButtonNumber" "5" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0" Option "Name" "AutoDetected" Option "Protocol" "imps/2" Option "Vendor" "AutoDetected" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "resolution" "250" EndSection
The imps/2 line makes the wheel on the Gyromouse work.
I also commented out the PS/2 line and added a USB line in the ServerLayout section.
# InputDevice "PS/2 mouse" "CorePointer" InputDevice "USB mouse" "CorePointer"
This setup lets me plug in my wired PS/2 mouse and simply switch the # character on the two lines, in case I run out of mouse battery power or something.
You should be aware that if you've turned on your machine and forgotten to plug in the USB receiver, you occasionally have to restart X. Linux recognizes the device, but X doesn't respond to the mouse movements and your cursor just sits there. In this case, simply CTL-ALT-Backspace to crash out of X and restart. Usually, though, I can turn on the mouse and keyboard, start the laptop and it works fine. It doesn't happen often enough for me to bother making it 100% predictable.
You might want to tweak some desktop and XF86Config file settings to get the most comfortable response from the Gyromouse. Start by going into your XF86Config file and playing around with the InputDevice resolution value, under the USB mouse. Mine is set to 250. Larger values tend to make the mouse more sensitive to movement, making it hard to control the cursor when using the mouse in the air.
Next, in KDE go to the Preferences -> Peripherals -> Mouse menu and select the Advanced tab. The important values I use are 1X for the pointer acceleration and 1 pixel for the pointer threshold. High values in the pointer acceleration make the mouse almost totally uncontrollable on my machine. You may have to juggle these values to get the best feel.
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Purchased the keyboard and mouse for a MythTV based home theatre PC. While mostly acceptable for use in low duty cycle applications (such as a home theatre PC), it certainly is unacceptable for regular use.
I find the mouse problematic on Mandrake 10 (it sometimes simply does not report movements unless the base unit is power cycled by unplugging it and plugging it back in, then reloading the USB module stack and restarting X). What's most strange is that the keyboard still works just fine with the same receiver when the mouse is non-functional. The mouse issue may be related to the 2.4.25 kernel I'm running or some X configuration issue because it did seem to work reliably when I used it on another box running SuSE 9.0. I find the keyboard is too cramped for serious typing when compared to a standard desktop keyboard. The keyboard is also difficult to use with games (it's basically the same style keyboard you would find on a typical laptop). I suspect, based on experimentation and prior experience with RF (I'm an EE and have designed RF receivers) that the receiver is regenerative and is thus very prone to interference. To get any range (even say 10'), expect to be looking to find ways to place the receiver a good distance away from your monitor, TV, etc. To make mine work in my living room reliably, sitting 6' away from the TV (and where I would have liked to have placed the receiver), I had to add a USB extension cable to get the receiver far enough away from the HTPC and TV to make it work. The receiver now sits on top of a speaker in the corner of the room about 8' away from the TV.
If I had to make the decision to buy this product again for a similar application, I would not.
also own and am a fan of the fly mouse
After a week of fiddling with this usb keyboard and mouse combo I can say its a pretty well done deal. Sadly support under linux is a little sketchy (works fine on a knoppix livecd tho)--I need to have another usb mouse plugged in at boot to have the gyromouse detect--though the keyboard picks up quite nicely. The transmitter is tiny--fraction of a pound--and gyration just opened a recall for some defective transmitters (an RMA I applied for and got because the first transmitter didn't do jack).
Anyhow another interesting point about the device that I think was over looked is its gaming potential. Though overly sensitive at first the gyromouse can change the way that games are played. Immediate issues facing gamers looking to check out a 3d mouse, 1)because of the gyro leaning back is up and forward is down aka airplane controls 2)clicking--the position will kick for each click--real 1st person problems =) 3)finally the mouse pad of no mouse pad. Overall it is a daunting task faced with relearning how to play a game and really how to be accurate with a pointing device.
Best of luck and I do recommend -- though the full size keyboard of course
Re: also own and am (NOT) a fan of the fly mouse
I wish I could share everyone's enthusiasm, but I've had nothing but trouble with the full-size version since purchasing it about a year ago. I too got one of the bad receivers, and it took several phone calls to gyration and two mailings by them before I had a replacement. And this was AFTER no one responded to my email to tech support regarding why the device was working so poorly. Shortly thereafter I experienced a marked decrease in battery life. Gyration sent me another battery, no questions asked, but its life is just as poor. For example, I started using a fully-charged battery on Monday and it died Wednesday afternoon; the large majority of that time it was simply idle.
I purchased this suite because of the claimed 25 foot (or is it 30? The box says 30 ft, but the back of the mouse says 25 ft!) sensing range. However, to achieve near 100% reproducibility, I have the receiver about 2 ft from my desk. I'm using the suite on a PC used to control 4 industrial robots, and even this distance is too far when the motor amplifiers are turned on. Changing channels makes little difference.
Finally, I find the keyboard to be a little stiff. I'm sorry I spent so much money for such a frustrating product, just glad it wasn't my $!
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You'll find that you have nicer experiences with swapping mice if you used the following line, then no need to restart X:
InputDevice "PS/2 mouse" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "USB mouse" "CorePointer"
This means you can wack a mouse in any time - I do this for my usb mouse/dock for my laptop.
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I own this mouse and keyboard combo myself. While I definitely like the mouse for couch-surfing and presentations, I would not recommend the mini-keyboard for extended periods of typing. As a presentation and web surfing keyboard, the mini serves its purpose. But the tactile feedback is poor (it feels like a laptop keyboard, but flimsier) and the keyboard is very cramped and the keys are in strange places. It's taken me well over three weeks to get fully adjusted to it, and when i go back to regular keyboards I find my hand curling up to hit the Ctrl-Alt keys when I shouldn't have to.
Re: Fly Your Linux Box by Gyromouse
I just did a SuSe 8.2 install on a box that was formerly running windows 2000 and using one of these mice. Sometimes it boots fine but sometimes it hangs when trying to start USB. If you unplug the USB cable it continues to boot but then you have no mouse support. Other then that I love it.
Re: Fly Your Linux Box by Gyromouse
I saw one in the store today, but opted for the logitech wireless optical mouse instead, at much less cost. For presentations, I use a little ACOM Data wireless mouse/laser pointer combination. Very comfortable and effective. But I am intrigued about this Gyromouse...
The real point to this post, though, is you don't have to kill X to get it to recognize a properly configured USB pointer. Just switch to a different virtual X terminal. On my laptop, (Mandrake 9.2) X is on virtual console #7. If you switch to 8 or 9, and then back to 7, it will re-read the devices, and USB pointers start working (as long as the drivers and XConfig is set up for it). Ctrl-Alt-F8, then Ctrl-Alt-F7, and you're all set. In Knoppix, X runs on VC 5, so it's Ctrl-Alt-F6, then Ctrl-Alt-F5.
Hope that saves you a bit of trouble...
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How big is the usb radio receiver?
I'm not happy with any of the regular laptop mouse devices and would consider the gyromouse. But how portable is it? If the USB end of the device is bulky that's a definate downside. The other question would be how much power the device requires for it's USB end. Wouldn't want to run down the batteries instantly.
Re: How big is the usb radio receiver?
The receiver is a little larger than a deck of playing cards, but it's extremely light weight. The cable can actually lift one side of it up if you try to bend it too sharply.
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