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I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I've never read any of the Lord of The Rings books, nor have I watched the movies. Given that it's one of the most popular books and films of all time, I'm sure it's quite an excellent story. Still, it's just never appealed to me.
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Northeast Ohio's Foreclosure Crisis
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- Darnellas Caldwell had her home completely paid for. A series of bad decisions and bad luck cost her her home.
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Cleveland targeting bulk owners of foreclosed homes
By Mark Gillispie, The Plain Dealer
November 28, 2010, 5:00AM
An effort to prosecute companies in Cleveland Housing Court has mostly failed thus far because the owners or their attorneys don't show up. Judge Raymond Pianka has issued more than $20 million in civil penalties against corporate no-shows, but cannot issue an arrest warrant to a company that fails to appear in court. Full story »
Cleveland Housing Court issued $20 million in fines for contempt by no-show companies, but collections are sparse
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
November 22, 2010, 6:30AM
Companies that repeatedly fail to appear in Cleveland Housing Court to face charges of neglecting their property have wracked up more than $20 million in fines for their defiance since last year. But almost none have paid a cent for their contempt. Full story »
Federal study says mortgage companies could help reduce abandoned foreclosures
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
November 15, 2010, 7:00PM
Ohio is one of the states hardest hit by the practice of mortgage service companies walking away from foreclosures, leaving homeowners and communities to deal with the blight and costly fallout. Full story »
Inez Killingsworth of ESOP awarded $100,000 by Civic Ventures for starting group that fights foreclosures
By Patrick O'Donnell, The Plain Dealer
November 10, 2010, 10:00AM
Long critical of predatory lending, Killingsworth and her group have called for foreclosure moratoriums or halts in interest hikes on adjustable rate mortgages. Full story »
Real estate buyer sentenced to two years in prison for role in Slavic Village mortgage fraud scam
By Leila Atassi, Northeast Ohio Media Group
November 04, 2010, 5:33PM
Pak Yan Lui will be forced to forfeit $35,000 he made when he helped corrupt mortgage broker Mark Kellogg deceive lenders with false loan applications that inflated both the value of the houses and the finances of interested buyers. Full story »
Resource Real Estate to acquire the Bingham apartments in downtown Cleveland
By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
November 01, 2010, 6:40PM
The real estate company, based in Philadelphia, was the only bidder Monday at a foreclosure auction in federal court. Resource bid $25 million -- what the company paid for a note on the building during an auction of delinquent loans in March. Full story »
Cleveland Housing Court judge bars 3 companies from real estate deals in the city
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
October 26, 2010, 10:00AM
Cleveland Housing Court Judge Raymond Pianka hopes his prohibition prods the out-of-state companies to appear in court and face criminal charges for neglecting their properties. Pianka previously found the companies in contempt and fined them $1,000 a day. Full story »
No restitution awarded to neighbors in Cleveland Housing Court case
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
October 16, 2010, 10:00AM
Cleveland Housing Court Judge Raymond Pianka has ruled that a trio of homeowners who lived near a vacant deteriorated house on Cleveland's East Side suffered from the neglect, but didn't meet the legal test for victim restitution. Pianka also rejected the city of Cleveland's claim for restitution. Full story »
Cleveland shares its expertise at national conference here on reclaiming vacant properties
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
October 11, 2010, 6:00PM
Cleveland got clobbered early by the foreclosure crisis and has been trying to fight back with innovative strategies that will be showcased during a national conference here next week. Full story »
Do you know anyone who has lost a home to foreclosure? A Plain Dealer poll
By Randy Roguski, The Plain Dealer
October 09, 2010, 3:28PM
The controversy about possibly improper foreclosures has grown wider day by day. State and federal officials have ramped up pressure on the mortgage industry amid evidence that employees or lawyers signed documents without verifying the information in them. . Full story »
Ohio sues GMAC; attorney general says other big banks may have foreclosed improperly
By Teresa Dixon Murray, The Plain Dealer
October 06, 2010, 6:19PM
Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray on Wednesday filed a civil lawsuit against GMAC Mortgage for allegedly filing false documents in hundreds of Ohio foreclosure cases, and stressed that other big banks may be guilty of the same practice. Full story »
Cleveland Councilwoman hopes to save her house after it fails to sell at sheriff's auction
By Mark Gillispie, The Plain Dealer
October 06, 2010, 9:00AM
Cleveland City Councilwoman Phyllis Cleveland says she is working out a repayment plan with a mortgage company after her home on East 36th Street failed to sell at sheriff's sale on Monday. Full story »
Ohio awarded an additional $250 million from the federal Hardest Hit Fund to avert foreclosures
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
September 29, 2010, 5:33PM
Ohio is getting an additional $250 million from the federal Hardest Hit Fund for a foreclosure-prevention program that launched this week. The dollars will go to expand Ohio's Restoring Stability program, which aims to help the jobless and other struggling homeowners pay their mortgages. Full story »
New program provides foreclosure-prevention counseling to at-risk families with children in Cuyahoga County
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
September 29, 2010, 11:00AM
The Family Stability Initiative aims to provide comprehensive services to keep families in their homes and children in their schools so they don't falter academically because of disruptive moves. Full story »
New foreclosure prevention dollars available to aid jobless and financially strapped homeowners in Ohio
By Sandra Livingston, The Plain Dealer
September 27, 2010, 7:00AM
Starting Monday Ohioans struggling to pay their mortgages can apply for help under the federal Hardest Hit Fund. Statewide the program aims to help 26,000 homeowners -- most of them jobless -- with as much in $15,000 in financial assistance. Full story »

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James McAvoy VS Tom Cruise For "At The Mountains Of Madness"
Written by Douglas Reinhardt on 9/03/10 • • Filed under: Casting, Headlines
Just when I thought my vacation had begun, the movie news cycle has pulled me back in. Frankly, it's bit of a whooper and we're going to need to talk about it after the jump.
On Thursday afternoon, Collider ran a rather interesting and juicy story about Guillermo del Toro's At The Mountains Of Madness and casting rumors. Apparently, Universal, the studio picking up the bill for the film would like to cast James McAvoy where as del Toro would like to cast Tom Cruise in the role of Dyer, the leader of the disastrous trip to the titular Mountain Of Madness.
Despite having the cinematic protection of James Cameron, At The Mountain Of Madness is going to be a tough sell especially since Universal has been losing money hand over fist with their more daring and challenging projects as of late; films like Scott Pilgrim VS The World and The Green Zone. So, del Toro may be in a situation where he has to play a bit of ball with the studio and go with some of their casting choices.
Although, McAvoy isn't necessarily a house hold name, at this point. Sure, people may recognize McAvoy as the guy from Wanted and after next summer, Professor Xavier, but can he carry a bleak, spooky ghoul fest?
At the same side of the street, you have Tom Cruise, an actor who's more successful in the international market place than say domestic. Can Cruise open a film like this in America?
Obviously, the natural fan boy knee jerk reaction would be more in favor of McAvoy over Cruise because Cruise has become more of a meme generated in the last few years and less of a respected actor. Despite his personality, Cruise is a strong actor and when given the right talent, he can knock things out of the park. Where as McAvoy is a rather plain, vanilla type of actor. Audiences did not see Wanted because of McAvoy's acting chops, they saw Wanted because the trailer looked cool and Angelina Jolie was hanging out of a car with a shotgun.
Cruise hasn't done a film of this nature since 1994′s Interview With The Vampire and that film was a success, in terms of box office and critical praise. It's an interesting choice and I hope Universal Studios allows del Toro pursue it and hopefully, the scheduling gods work it out.
Either way, things are happening with At The Mountains Of Madness and we're still at least 10 months away from the project's potential production start date.
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What do you guys think of this kid Thanasi from Australia ? 16 years old taking it to Steve Johnson our NCAA champion , I am not surprised but would like to hear some of the posters on here .
There is a thread in General Pro Player Discussion about Thanasi Kokkinakis. |
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He hit all his performance goals. The character of his tennis was better. I could actually see that he improved over the holidays, but I semi berated him because despite all of this it was time for him to hear that I expected a win, not just improvement. I regretted it later that evening, but this morning I don't. This Johnson loss has informed me greatly. |
Maybe Steve Johnson was caught off guard with the heat down under. If anyone has ever been in that part of the world this time of the year, they would know. Maybe it was part of Steve's preparation or lack there of...conditioning, aclimation, etc.
are you guys saying S. Johnson lost ? ... I checked the results and SJ won that match .. what are talking about?
Thanasi has 13 Futures main draw wins and 14 main draw doubles wins. That does not include the wins in the qualifying to get to the main draw. Impressive for a 16 year old. No young American I can think of with that kind of resume. Posters on here need to look into this kid.
Losing teen Thanasi Kokkinakis hailed future star
IT is rare that a loser in a qualifying tournament is lauded but anyone who witnessed Thanasi Kokkinakis in action at Melbourne Park yesterday will attest he is a rising star of Australian tennis. The 16-year-old first displayed his outlandish talents when stepping in for the injured John Isner at last week's Hopman Cup in Perth. Although he played only an exhibition match against Fernando Verdasco, the former Australian Open semi-finalist was stunned by the South Australian's power. "The serve that he has is ... professional, it's like much better than many professionals," Verdasco said. "He will be like a great player if he can keep going like that. He's so young ... but like I said, he has unbelievable serves for his age and also a very good forehand and backhand." His qualifying debut at grand slam level yesterday against American Stevie Johnson was entertaining both in scoreline and in the tennis produced. Johnson is a two-time collegiate champion for the University of Southern California who reached the third round of the US Open in August, further testament to the Australian teenager's ability. While Kokkinakis fell 6-4 6-7 (5) 17-15, he showed great poise to break Johnson's serve at 5-4 in the third set and then to stave off break point opportunities later in the set before fatiguing late in a match lasting well over three hours. That the Australian was tired is hardly surprising given the third set alone lasted 2hr 7m. It prompted Darren Cahill, who has coached former world No 1s Andre Agassi and Lleyton Hewitt, to praise Kokkinakis. "Really impressive young man. Looking forward to watching his progress in the coming years," Cahill tweeted. |
Johnson won. Period. Not sure stats in a first round qualifying means a thing in the long run.
My bad on jumping to the conclusion that SJ lost in the match. I just read some of the post and assumed.
Anyway, Australia needs a good up and comer. I just hope that he doesn't have the baggage like Bernard Tomic. Anyone know his disposition/character? I did get to see the exhibition doubles match on the Tennis Channel where he partnered with Venus Williams...seems like a good kid:) |
Like TCF and others have been saying- there are great juniors not playing the OB, Eddie Herr, or any ITF juniors. Here is one of them age 15- straight to the pros. Results are impressive.
Highlights from the match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb8yYj1KCQA Stevie has a lot of action on the forehand, almost looks like a kick serve. Impressive serve from the 16 year old. |
I hear you...
MY SUPER BAD. STEVIE PULLED IT OUT. A WIN IS A WIN. I DO NOT EXPECT DOMINANCE. GLAD TO BE WRONG ABOUT THE RESULT. GO STEVIE! GO USA! Definitely will keep eye out on this 16 y.o. though |
Steve Johnson hit with our top American juniors recently and one went on the record saying Johnson is at a whole different level. He couldn't believe how much bigger Johnson's forehand was. One of the things to look for is a junior whose talent jumps out at you. At age 16 Ryan Harrison had an ATP top 100 pro level serve. It was incredible to see. Cahill and other have some nice things to say about this young man. We shall see.
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Acrobat gives you some tools for making your forms nice and neat, looking more professional. Let's look at one of those tools. We'll look at a grid; View>Show/Hide>Rulers & Grids>Grid. So there's the blue grid. Now if I take my Select Object tool and I start moving my fields around, I can use the grid as a visual guide, but my fields don't snap to it. So by default, they don't respond to the grid. By the way, if you want to change the measurements of the grid, here's how you do that. On Windows, you go to Edit and Preferences; on the Mac you are going to find Acrobat up here, and you'll go to Acrobat Preferences, slight difference, but you'll end up the same place.
Down at the very bottom of the list, choose Units & Guides. So if I have Width between lines, both Height and Width, 1 inch, may be I want 10 subdivisions. So I'll make 10 subdivisions, click OK and you might notice a subtle change in my grid. Still, my fields have not been told that they need to snap to the grid. So that takes a second choice. Go to View>Show/Hide>Rulers & Grids, and choose Snap to Grid. Now as I start to move them around, you see that sort of jerky motion. It's because now the fields are going to snap to the grid.
So as I move them, I want their top edges to align and that's very easy to do. However, we will tell you that it's rare that this grid lines up with your underlying artwork. Here I don't have any underlying artwork, so I have sort of free reign. So you might find that even though the grid is nice for neatening things up, it may actually fight you when you're trying to match your artwork, but at least now you know it's there. If I go to View>Show/Hide>Rulers & Grids, and turn off the grid, these fields are still going to snap to that grid, even though I don't see it, it's still active.
So you have to remember to go back to View>Show/Hide>Rulers & Grids, and turn off Snap to Grid or it will kind of drive you nuts as you try to match up to your artwork. Let me show you what I think is an easier way to make your forms nice and neat. I want to select all three of these form fields and I want their top edges to all line up with the top edge of Text1. To select them all, I have two methods I can use. I will click on Text1, hold down Shift, and select Text2. I am still holding down Shift and I click on Text3. That's one method.
Here's another one. Just click and drag and create a selection marquee that touches all three; it doesn't have to totally encompass them. It just has to touch them and now I have all three of them selected. Notice that two of the fields have light blue outlines and one has a dark blue outline. That dark blue outline is significant; it means that this is going to be the key field when I perform an alignment. It means that field is going to hold still and the other selected fields are going to match it. I am going to right-click, choose Align, Distribute or Center and choose Align Top and notice that Text2 and Text3 move up, so their top edges align with Text1.
Pretty straightforward! I am going to undo, so that we can try something else. What if I want Text1 and Text3 to line up with the top edge of Text2? To change the key field, the field that's going to hold still and govern the other fields, hold down Shift and click on that field. Notice now it has a dark blue background. Right-click>Align, Distribute or Center> Align Top, and see, Text1 and Text3 move to match the top edge of Text2. So just remember that Shift+click to choose a field to be the key field in an operation like that.
What if I want all these fields to be the same width and height as Text2? Very easy to do with a contextual menu; right-click and choose Set Fields to Same Size. Notice what the options are, adjust the Height, adjust the Width, or Both. I think I will go for Both. So now Text1 and Text3 are the same size as Text2. So you can see, you could actually put your fields in pretty quickly and not worry about being very neat, and then use these operations to make things neat after the fact. Let's look at Distribution. So I am going to move these fields to kind of a sloppy random pattern.
First of all, I am going to make them all the same size, because I just think that would be nicer. So I am going to select them all with that marquee drag, Text1 is the one I want them all to match, right-click>Set fields to Same Size>Both. There we go! Now, when I choose Align, Distribute or Center, if I choose Distribute Vertically, what's going to happen is Text1 at the top, Text6 at the bottom are going to hold still, and the other fields are going to move, so that the distance between them is the same. It's a little hard to tell with them all spread out like that, so I am going to align their left edges, and there you can see, nice and neat.
So keep this in mind; you may find it easier to work a little loosely when you start to create your fields, and then use this contextual menu to control the size, control the position in the page, and neaten up your form, so that it's nice and professional when you're done.
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A study published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology suggests that those with easier to pronounce names are more favored for job promotions and to be elected in political campaigns.
The study led by Simon Laham from the University of Melborne, set out to see if a name influences impression formation and if it affects decision making in the workplace or in elections.
The research team used data from 500 lawyers in the United States with a range of names from Asian, Anglo, and Western and Eastern European backgrounds.
The results were pretty interesting — click through to read:
The team analyzed data collected from lawyers who completed information regarding their workplace, their jobs. The researches also created a mock ballot experiment to test the researchers theory on how names may influence in the political context as well.
The study found that lawyers with more pronounceable names were promoted quicker to superior positions in their firm over those with names harder to pronounce. The data collected from their mock election also showed the same result of those with easier names were 'elected' more so then their counterparts. According to the researcher, this result was driven by the name's ease of pronunciation, not its length or cultural origins.
:: Now I ask you, do you worry about your child's name for the future? Did you/will you take this into consideration? ::
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mondo1515 5pts Let's say I lease a 2015 honda accord for $319 a month for 36 months with 12,000 miles a yr. what would be the salesman commission on this?
solerpower68 5pts Let's say a car salesman wanted to take this approach - if he is simply honest with the customer about how much he is making on the front end per car sale, and is aiming to make an identical amount per sale, that this would ultimately build a good reputation for that salesman and the dealership, thus having a positive effect on the volume of sales, while building an honest sales reputation. This way, even if others in the dealership are more concerned with their personal financial maximization, they still benefit from Mr. Honest's word of mouth reputation. Secondly, the salesman,being a humble person, can also present to the buyer his reasoning behind the amount (as in, "I just need to make $200 per sale to live a meager life")My question is - would any dealership in this country hire such a salesman? Sure, he lacks killer instinct, is not money motivated, and severely limits profit per sale, but logically his reputation would increase lot customers, potentially significantly if properly marketed,, allowing the other more money-focused salespeople to improve their volume as well. It's basically a win-win for all types of salespeople at that lot.Anyone agree with this?
loveforspain0023 5pts heres a question to all i work 50 hours a week sell about 6 cars a month due to the fact we only carry about 12-16 cars on lot I am doing all the bank contracts all the paper work and dmv . im moving cars from auctions . BUT i get paid off books and make only 400 a week . I personally dont think that this is fair ! So what is one to do ?
Jonathan Clark 5pts How effective is asking for invoice minus hold back and just top the sales person
bob 5pts Hey Mark still cant comment on your latest blog. not sure why but its been over 10 days and you would think motortrend would have fixed this by now
brebuch1 5pts Mark,Sorry if you already answered this, but how do car buying services play into your commission? I bank through USAA and they have a car buying service. I am in the market for a new car and building and pricing different makes and models through the website is incredibly addicting. I do wonder how the dealership/salesperson makes money. It appears most of the prices are 3-5% above invoice plus any manufacturer's incentives can quickly get the prices 10-15% below MSRP, even more on outgoing models. While I consider myself a decent negotiator, I also have three kids all under 5 and I am dreading actually buying a car because of the time involved and keeping the kids occupied. Having a fair price already established is an efficiency I value more than haggling for a few extra dollars off. I didn't know if the car buying service gives a little to the dealership or if the dealership agrees to participate in exchange for more potential traffic. I am also going to assume there is probably one or two salespersons assigned to work these leads or referrals. Thanks and keep up the good work, really enjoy reading your blogs.
bugeye 5pts Mark,I have a comment and a question relating to the discussion of "why would you wait three months to buy a car".Since I hate haggling, I'm planning to buy via a manufacturer partner program. I've narrowed my vehicle choices down to two, and both of those two manufacturers have programs for members of partner organizations that set a purchase price relative to invoice. The only catch is that eligibility only kicks in after 6 months of joining the partner organization, and I'm only 4 months in. So I have another 2 months to wait. In the interim, I'm making my final decision between the two vehicles, and deciding on options. You might ask why I'm visiting dealerships already and not in 2 months time. Well, there is some paperwork to submit for the partner programs ahead of time, and I only intend to do it for the manufacturer I actually end up selecting.I actually would be ready to make my decision and buy sooner, if the dealerships in question would just give me the partner price ahead of time. I've been honest with both about my intentions. But the dealerships are not willing to give me the partner price, and instead are trying to convince me to buy sooner at a higher price. Which is not going to happen.My question: Do the dealerships get some additional consideration from the manufacturer when a customer makes use of a manufacturer-sponsored program? Because that is the only reasonable reason I can think of to explain why they would not just extend that pricing to me already.I'm not sure if the etiquette of the forum allows me to mention the specific manufacturers, but I certainly can if that would help.
goblue0720 5pts If a person shops you, it's because they don't trust you. In today day and age, it's all about taking care of the customer. Yes, we have to eat. Yes, we need to make as much money as we can. However, the customer has to be happy or you will be starving. Are there customers that I've made more than "mini deal"?....yes. Are they 100% completely satisfied?....yes everyone of them! Are there customers that I've made $125 on...yes. Are they 100% completely satisfied?...not all of them. I will always be there for my customers. It's about the service and understanding. Profit is what keeps every business in business. So, if you pay $500 or $200 more, whatever isn't it better to pay more money to the consultant that took the time and got your interest in the car. Especially, if your dealership is local and you shop out of town.Hey, if you want to shop different manufacturers, totally understand. Shop same brand different dealership. I don't get it. Unless, the dealership treated you wrong.Also, "get rid of the car salesperson"? So, you know anything and everything about the vehicles, programs, incentives, what the best option to buy for your living style is, etc. I doubt it. I've had cash customers finance. I've had finance customers lease. I've had cash customers do a one pay lease. It's all based on me listening to what the customers intentions are with the vehicle. And numerous customers appreciate it. I wish I could negotiate my medical expenses from my $100,000 surgery. I don't get to price shop that. Instead, I pay $135 a week to cover my family to cover that stuff, and than some person come in that makes $300k a year negotiate over $200 and they are unhappy.So, it's about making customers comfortable and happy. The value of their experience. In my opinion.
Tacoss23 5pts And THAT'S! exactly why the job of a "car salesman" is (and should) go away. Personally I despise salespeople, specially car salesman. Why? Because exactly what this guy just wrote up here. They serve ABSOLUTELY no practical/useful or decent purpose to the consumer. They are just there to squeeze the consumer out of as much money as they can, based on the fact that a lot of people are still leaving in the 70s and are not informed. Thanks God, baby boomers are dying now and with them this whole dealership model will go away as well.The old-fashioned model of car selling is probably the most cancerous anti-consumer practice in modern economy.There is no much wrong with the dealership model itself, if it was used to what theoretically was intended to do. Which was help manufacturers (Ford, GM, etc) reach the customer at a local level and provide with a point of contact and assistance of services post purchase. Make money in between….sounds good, that's a good business practice. Nothing anti-consumerist about charging for facilitating a service that otherwise wouldn't be available (such as servicing your car after purchase, and for the old folks…buying a car, since you know…they don't know the interwebz).However, BIG however….The current old-fashioned car dealership model has become a total cancer for consumers. The model relies on abusing and going out of their way to miss-inform consumers, from the moment they advertise on TV to the moment that poor soul is signing papers. They are not there to "sell" you on behalf Ford. They are there to make as much money as possible of a product that is already priced to generate profit.The whole point of a "salesman" is in my opinion flawed for a modern economy. It's based on convincing someone about the attributes of a product, instead of informing them. In the current scenario of this article, it goes even further. Because the situation this poor guy is in, he is NOT motivated to inform the consumer, he is motivated to deceive the consumer, because as he said…that's how he eats.Thanks to the internet and modern methods of communication, the whole purpose of a "car salesman" is obsolete, plain and simple. Just like "car/house insurance brokers", and other the like, there is absolutely no reason for them to exist, other than of course, service and take advance of the current old folks that don't use internet. I would feel bad for the position car salespeople are in, but on the other hand, they could be working in something else, it was their choice to get into this line of work, and if they are surviving there, it's because they have the attributes of a con, therefore…I don't feel one bit sad for the position some of them are put into.
bdapp 5pts Random question, I was at a Chevy dealership the other day looking at ~30k car and the salesman treated me like I was crazy for asking for a lease quote without giving a credit application. Said since there was no manufacturers specials any number would be near meaningless without a formal review of credit history. And I was like," umm that's ok just give me a ballpark, I have excellent credit"- and then he rolled his eyes and said everyone thinks they have excellent credit. Kept on bringing up about being able to be "bought". It was a thoroughly uncomfortable conversation because I've been to many dealerships and it has always been incredibly casual getting lease numbers. The last car I leased was a BMW and was about ~42k. We negotiated and shook hands on the number before even talking about credit. Right afterwards they said by the way, this deal requires spotless credit. Then I did the application where F&I approved the lease. Anyways, was the salesperson right in this situation?
myopinionisbetter 5pts when you have 5 salespeople at the front of the store how do you decide who gets to approach the next customer?
Vicconcep 5pts I'd like to respond to three questions that have been asked by Car Salesmen on this thread:Q: Why would you wait three months to buy a car? It just seems like an excuse not to buy.A: First, the person who posted their desire to wait three months isn't buying anything from anyone here. So there's no need for him to make excuses. Second, there are many reasons why someone would not buy now. Maybe they are still in their current lease. Maybe they'd rather wait to payoff the car before committing to a new one. For many people, cars are emotional purchases, so an emotional person would want to see how it "feels" to own their current car out-right (who knows, they might decide that "no payments" is the best thing since sliced-bread).Third, for many folks in highly populated states (especially large cities, where it sometimes makes more sense to rent), buying a new car is the most expensive thing they will ever buy. I know that car salesmen sell cars everyday (or at least see them sold everyday), but that doesn't mean that a person should be flippid about their car purchase. I don't know too many people that will impulsively buy a home. And I certainly don't know anyone who has bought a home at the listed price. Many folks who do buy homes, go through many offer/counter-offers from different sellers before they agree to buy. This means many visits to different homes, many meetings with sellers/brokers, and certainly TONS of negotiations on repairs and such. I know that cars aren't homes, but for many folks, buying a car is very similar, in that it is the most expensive thing they will buy, ever. So it is possible that a person has decided that they would give themselves ample to research, test drive, and improve their credit before committing to buying a car. I feel that many salesmen would benefit from remembering that SOME folk approach a car purchase in the same way that MOST folk approach a home purchase.Q: If you're not buying now, why test drive now? Why not wait to test drive until you are ready to buy?A: Well, if you have never bought a car that you hated, then God bless you! It is very demoralizing to drive home in your brand new JCat 5000, only to realize that you've made a mistake. Sure, some dealers offer 5-day returns on used cars. But many don't. I once bought a Honda coupe that I returned the very next day. When I called the dealer to ask if I could exchange the car for something else, here is what they said: No. After much prodding, he agreed to take back the Honda Coupe, in exchange for a Honda Sedan. In the end, I ended up paying an extra $1,000 for a Sedan that was listed at $1,000 less than the Coupe I had initially purchased. So there, right there, I lost $2000. After this experience, I promised myself that I would never buy another car without test driving every possible trim combination available for any car that I might be interested in. Sure this sucks for the sales man, but I've yet to meet a salesman who'd be willing to give me back my $2,000, so I still keep to this rule. The great thing about sales is that everyone has the ability to protect their own interests. So, this is one way of protecting mine.Q: Why would I give you a quote as soon as you walk into my dealership? Aren't you going to walk right out of my dealership and use my quote against me?A: Yes, I am. At a recent dinner party, someone suggested that they best way to seduce a lady is to find a way to get naked on her bed. The theory being that if she finds you naked on her bed, she will either ask you to leave, ask you to put on your clothes, or she will simply join you in bed. This means that for every three times that you pull this stunt, at least one of the ladies is sure to end up you in bed with you. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.Though I'm not sure that I agree with the premise behind this theory, I do think that many used car managers play the same odds when it comes to used car sales. The customer will either pay the asking price, or they will negotiate, or they will just walk out. In this scenario, the customer stays at the dealership two-out-of-three times. Because of this, many managers have very little incentive to be aggressive with their pricing. From a customer's standpoint, this equates to a waste of time. Here I am, buying flowers, paying for dinner, and you just want to be friends (or demand that I pay near sticker for your used 2013 Jalopnick with 5,000 miles). If you want me to buy now, give me an aggressive quote. Who knows, we both might end up naked!
mehgerbil 5pts I find this article hard to believe.I say that because every time I buy a car it still takes 2-4 hours even though the price is negotiated in 5 minutes and I've a letter of credit at the ready from a local credit union. Seems to me if people were that pressed for profit they'd find a way to speed the process along a little bit.
dptech247 5pts I can assure you if you only put $3000 down the salesman made a mini or what we call a flat .but a good salesman has no concern with that he only wants to sell cars the money will follow .hopefully he ask for referrals and repeat business and the leash you again in another 2 to 3 years possibly even lowering your payment.Honda and Toyota leases are the best they have no tricks at the end of lease
dptech247 5pts Well train salesman deserves to make good money.but every customer deserves a well-trained salesman.it's not only important what you buy and where you buy it's important who you buy from Will this guy stand behind the product for you when you come in with a problem .that would be the time you want him to have a killer instinct !to take care of your problem.
fastedsales 5pts we should be honest every second of our life whether it is in car sales or home sales . Why do people think that a salesman that works 50 hours a week should tell people how much he makes or limit his commission at $200 a deal.
dptech247 5pts The experience you're gaining is priceless.find a dealership that sells more cars. Figure out how many cars they sell and how many salesmen they have. Take your experience and get your portion of them sales. You have an advantage over the other salesman because they didn't learn all the things you learned at the little store you were working at .take what you learn to become a franchise at a bigger store . figure out how many cars they selling .how many salesmen they have.and get what you want
dptech247 5pts The true definition of success. Is the ability to pay profit. If every store sold a car for what they paid for it how long would they be in business what would happen when you need an oil change or you get a scratch or like the car looked at .no car stores going to sell all their cars for cost it's impossible.but getting the price you want to pay is not unreasonable you have to be a little open-minded
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts brebuch1, when a customer goes thru a company like USAA or uses another 3rd party buying service, it usually means a "mini deal" for the salesperson, or a small commission. However, it's usually an easier deal, so the same things that make it attractive to you-- less haggling, less time involved-- make it attractive to us as well. Usually the dealership pays the 3rd party lead provider an agreed upon fee, and the benefit for us is the increased traffic, as you point out. All of the things you describe-- having kids, having a fair price established before you go in, these are the things that make services like this very attractive to buyers. And yes, many times these leads are the responsibility of 2 or 3 salespeople. But the fact is, you can get a price as good as, or even better than, a 3rd party price just by negotiating. And not all dealers will honor USAA type pricing on every model. They still reserve the right not to give you the special low, low price on the hot models. And if you come in thinking you'll start at the TMV price, or whatever, and knock off another grand or two (which some people try to do) you are in for a headache. It's not happening. Thanks for reading!
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts bugeye, I think I can guess which manufacturer it is but it's not necessary to name them. I know some dealers do get compensated on some of these plans, but it's hard to say. I think they're probably pressing you to buy now because those "Partner" or "Friends & Family" deals are thin deals for the dealership. The only reason I can think of for your company expecting you to wait is, they don't want people signing up, buying a car, and then quitting. So they make you wait 6 months. The good thing is, you're not stuck with one manufacturer. But at least you have a legitimate reason for waiting, and it makes sense. Most of the time I hear that "I won't be buying until August 15th, 2016" I think it's a ruse. Thanks for the question!
fastedsales 5pts just like you make money in whatever business you do salesmen are entitled to make some money too . sales is how world functions and revolves . Salesmen are herwy to stay . last if you wanna have good experience buying a car maybe you should pay the sticker price and see how fast and easy buying a car will be but people like you dont wanna give any profit and then you wounder why salesman hassle you .
WickedTwyst 5pts @Tacoss23 Where do I begin with your post ....... Not all car dealerships are sleazy or out to screw you over. Sounds to me like you are one of those people who do all their surfing over the net and then come to the dealership thinking you know it all. You are the people these sales people dislike and here is why ...... Your know it all attitude may get you out the door with a car you really like at a price you really want and then you start whining you don't know how the car works. You didn't know this button did this or that button did that. Then you have the gall to call the dealership and gripe because you didn't get the "information" you needed to make an "informed" decision. Of course you didn't because you knew it all walking into the dealership and closed off your brain to what the sales person was telling you. Safety rating is a big concern of mine so I went on the net did my research and bought the vehicle I could find with the best safety rating, I knew this walking into the car dealership what I was looking for. I also know walking into the dealership what I am going to ask for a discount on and what I won't negotiate on. To me there are things that are NON Negotiable in the deal and if that loses me the car I want then that is my fault for not seeing reason.You expect things to be handed to you and you want to haggle and you want to blame the sales associate. What you think it costs pennies to build these cars on the road? You want to carry your family in sub standard equipment? Think of it from this perspective your car purchase pays the car salesman, the middle man, the people who build the car, the people who supply the items to build the car and right on down the line. Depending on what YOU personally do it also helps pay you ...... your employees don't get to work because they don't have a car your production goes down and you lose money out of your pocked...... everything is a circle. In order to get something you need to give something it is a rather simple economic structure. So for you griping about these "Antiquated Car Dealerships" you may want to remember if it weren't for the sales people and their dealerships you would be without some of what you have now .....
CollegeGuyj2 5pts @Tacoss23And that's why car salespeople hate people here like you. No one wants to say it but you are the person that comes in and thinks they know everything because they "looked on the internet" but when it comes to knowing "what this button does" in the vehicle you couldn't tell your ass from your elbow. You're a leech with the mentality of prepubescent teenager who thinks they know it all but in reality you would never understand half of what the vehicle actually does without the knowledged assistance of a salesperson because what you actually buying is a computer. We aren't the "Geek Squad" but you won't snub their advice on your laptop.But you don't see salespeople as someone who is there to lend their expertise. You only see them as money grubbing subhumans who are there to take your hard earned money. The fact is, it's because of people like you that when salespeople do a "first pencil" hundreds of dollars are deducted instantaneously from hard worked for pay which is why they end up with $62.50 for hours of work trying to please your smug personality. Yet you still won't think we deserve such compensation for our time. You should take your own advise since you think our jobs are arbitrare and just go directly to the manufacture for your purchase and see how that works. Gather all the correct paperwork that you obviously already have and make sure that is sent correctly to the state so that you don't get audited. I have never wrote something so hateful on this blog but you are the face of sales related and attributed bigotry. You are the bain of our existence and if you never showed your face in a dealership again we would all appreciate it. Have a nice day.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts I disagree with most of what you say but I appreciate you taking the time to comment, because I know a lot of people probably feel the way you do and I want them to know they're welcome to express their opinion here. This is not a blog written by a car salesman strictly for other car salesmen. But I do have to say, saying "Thank God a whole generation is dying off" is a lousy thing to say, and I hope you don't mean it. I'd never say that about any generation-- WW2, Baby Boomers, Gen X, Y, or whatever. But again, thanks for the comment.
MaverickAZ 5pts @Tacoss23 This guy has watched "Used Cars" one to many times. YES, we all wear plaid jackets and do our best to screw customers out of their hard earned money with lies and deception. You need to meet the "Badger", the greatest car sales person ever! You really don't have any idea of what you are saying. "You car salesman are there to make as much money as possible of a product that is already priced to generate a profit." What does this mean? So you want to pay the MSRP of a car? Then pay it and move on and everyone will be happy! The dealer isn't there to negotiate the price of the car, the consumer is. If everyone paid the listed price, would you be happy?? Well, we know you wouldn't be happy no matter what. Do you understand that because you can negotiate most of the time on a car, that the consumer is saving money? Do you get that concept at all? If you could negotiate pricing on everything in life, we might have a different economy. I along with my fellow sales people will continue, as you say" abuse and going out of our way to miss-inform consumers.
Tim_Turbo 5pts @Tacoss23 1987 called, it wants your post back. Not even worth responding to. So since I have said that, let me guess, "it's because you spoke the truth, and I (we) can't handle it". That is usually how these things go.
bmcd1985 5pts @bdapp What part of the sales process were you in? If you were seated at a desk and already working figures then it should have been very easy to provide a lease quote for you. However, if you were on the lot, it truly is impossible to provide a lease quote on a vehicle without putting the information in the computer. One of my biggest pet peeves is someone asking for a lease payment on a vehicle when they've looked at it for five minutes. Unfortunately, I don't have all the residual values memorized for different terms, different trim levels, and leasing incentives and program rates for every vehicle on the lot, much less without known what credit tier you would be approved for (which believe it or not does make a large difference). Nation lease ads are even worse, because they create such a false expectation in the consumer. For whatever reason, at my facility we have no way of ever getting close to advertised lease specials. It'll be a -$2,000 in the machine and it's still $70 a month more than the national ad. Also, Chevrolet leases in general are absolutely atrocious. You can normally lease the GMC counterpart or even the Cadillac version for the same or even less money per month.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts Bdapp, no, he was not, in my opinion. If I required everyone to give me a credit app before I quoted them prices I'd probably never quote a single price. The lease specials (if there are any) are usually right there on the manufacturer's website. So what's the problem? I would have given you leasing figures and told you "Now, you understand this is with approved credit only. The numbers may vary once we actually look at your credit." Thanks for reading!
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts Billy_G, to answer that question I'd need a whole blog. And maybe I should do one! :) To use an (imperfect) analogy . . . why do you need to deal with a teller or a loan officer at a bank? Why not just go directly into the vault, or the President's office? I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just pointing out that a lot of the reason has to do with practicality. If there are 20 customers on the lot they can't all deal with the 2 or 3 sales managers at the same time. But there are other reasons and I'll try to do a blog on that subject in the future, because it's a good one. Thanks!
MOAR! 5pts I'm not sure if the customer "needs" a car sales person (your question is sexist btw.) However, the Auto companies do. No one would ever buy anything if there were not salespeople. Everyone would test drive things for 6 months and have no idea what to buy, or if they should buy anything. Good luck learning all of the technology in the car on your own. The automakers JD Power surveys would plummet, since their customers wouldn't know how to work their own car. Probably not the majority of people on here, but 90% of customers do need us. And there are lots of successfull women in the auto industry. They can also vote and own land now too.
MaverickAZ 5pts @myopinionisbetter Great question! It depends on the dealership policy. Some have what is called an "up" system, which basically means they take turns. So if someone comes in that is "3 months away" that sales person has to walk with that guy until he leaves and now the sales person goes to the back of the line waiting for his next turn. The other method is a "free floor", which means there is no "Up" system. So the first person to walk up to you and greet you, is the sales person that will show you the cars. So while it may seem that the sales person is being "aggressive 'to begin with because that is his lively hood, that is his paycheck. The sales person that waits around for the "right up" or the "passive sales person" that wants to be liked by all the other sales person, will never make it in the car business. So that is why you look like a juicy steak to the 5 sales people waiting for a customer to pull up. Try not to take it the wrong way, but the aggressive sales person that comes up to greet you out of the pack is doing it to survive!
MOAR! 5pts @Vicconcep If you or any of your friends have a 33.33% closing ratio, with cars or ladies, I'm hanging out with you guys!
myopinionisbetter 5pts @Vicconcep "This means that for every three times that you pull this stunt, at least one of the ladies is sure to end up you in bed with you."The one out of three only works if all the women are forced to cycle through the available choices each time they are with you rather than make the choice based on her own decision.
bob 5pts @Vicconcep I hate commenting on this page sometimes.....I get typing and its gone, all that work for nothing. lol. Vicconcep I would never in a million years start car shopping before I am ready. Its stupid. Why not start test driving when your ready to buy. The reason is you can test drive all the cars you are interested in back to back, that way its fresh in your mind what you like. You know as well as I do if you drive a car three months ago and now your ready to buy you will have to re-drive that same car again, not only wasting your time but the salesman's time and the dealership's gas.As for quotes I am more then happy to quote you full MSRP on any car I have on my lot. I do it every single day. When you look up at me and say no discount? I look you and say are you buying it today because I don't negotiate maybes and I might buy someday. If the customer is ready to buy you better believe I will do my best to get a fair price for them. No one wants someone coming in to drive 4 or 5 cars that they may or may not buy in three months. If you really need to drive a car because you might buy someday go and rent a car and stop wasting dealerships time and money. Its so easy to test drive a car when its free but if you had to pay you sure wouldn't be so eager to test drive cars that you may or may not buy someday. RENT A CAR its that easy!Oh your analogies are terrible please don't use them anymore I'm embarrassed for you.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts @Vicconcep I appreciate your comments but I can't resist saying this . . . it took less than 3 months to plan the D-Day invasion.OK, slight exaggeration, but you get the point. When I look for a house I know it may in fact take 3 months for me to find the right home at the right price . . . but I have never set an arbitrary date for myself 3 months in the future and said "Even if I find the right house, I'm not buying a house until 3 months has elapsed." That is the difference. So when someone says to me "I'm not buying a car for another 3 months," they're not saying they expect to be shopping that whole time, or that they expect the process to take that long. (Why would it take exactly 3 months, anyway? Why not 2? Or 4?) They're saying they're not planning to buy until 3 months from now-- for some reason. And my question is always "Why? What's the reason?"Are you getting a tax return? Are you waiting on news of a new job? Are you waiting until you think we'll reduce the price? Are you waiting to graduate, or for a child to graduate? Are you hoping to hit the lottery? What's the reason?If they can't give me a concrete reason, I'm sorry, I'm inclined to think they're BS'ing me. It shouldn't take 3 months to find a car. It shouldn't take 3 weeks. It can be done in a weekend.If you don't know yourself and your own likes and dislikes and are prone to making poor decisions when it comes to cars, delay will not help you. You can buy the wrong car 3 months from now just as easily as this afternoon. No, I'm sorry, experience tells me that people who say they are going to take that long are, by and large, saying that just to shake the salesman off.As far as the lying in bed naked story (funny story!), here's the way your salesman sees it: you want me to take off my clothes and jump in bed . . . but you have no intention of joining me. You've already told me you're going to "shop around," i.e., get a whole bunch of other folks to disrobe before you make up your mind. So what's my incentive to join in your game? It's clear what's in it for the customer . . . but what's in it for me? Thanks for reading!
MaverickAZ 5pts @Vicconcep Your personal example of how you bought a coupe and they wouldn't allow you to return it, until after much prodding. First, I really hope you thanked them for doing that. There is no law that says they have to do that at all. You went into their business and made a purchase, they didn't come to you. You obviously don't know the paperwork that has to de done at the dealership level and at the bank. Dealers can be funded from a lot of lenders electronically that same day. Try to reverse a deal that has already been funded by the bank. Not easy and very time consuming. Again, you just see it as the dealer playing hard ball. I have never seen a coupe cost more then a sedan with the same equipment in the same model. So the sedan you bought had more equipment then the couple had, is the reason it cost more. Not because they raised the price $1,000. Again, you blame the dealer because you think you lost $2,000. Did the dealer force you to sign paperwork?? Why should the salesman give you $2,000? Not one salesman has ever said, don't test drive a car! Have i had many buyers buy cars without test driving. Sure I have, but I always make sure to offer them a test drive.
MaverickAZ 5pts @Vicconcep You have a lot of perceptions, but not a lot of facts. All buyers have defense mechanism's. Yes me included. I'm just looking, is the number 1. So if you ask 9 out of 10 people that say, "we are a few months from buying", If the price was right, would you buy today? 9 out of those 10 people will say, YES! I know this to be true because I have lived it for 12 years. I know the amount of research people do on the Internet about cars, before they ever set foot in the dealership. So yes, call it an excuse or defense or whatever you want to call it, but more times than not, people aren't months away from buying.
bob 5pts @mehgerbil That's easy to fix. Tell the salesman that before you start with anything you want to speak to his/her manager. Tell the manager you expect them to respect your time. If they cant you are not going to do business with them. It works all the time. Ive had my customers bump other customers who have been waiting for hours because of this. If you are with a good salesman this shouldn't be a problem. If your with a rookie or a bad manager don't buy anything just leave. I hate it when customers are going to sink thousands of dollars and everything stops because the Finance guy cant get his act together.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts mehgerbil, I wish I had you as a customer! Only 5 minutes to negotiate the price? That's pretty quick. Some dealerships are incredibly slow. I won't deny that. It depends on the F&I guy, it depends on the dealership's procedures, how much paperwork they have, etc., etc. But here's one thing that no customer seems to consider: they are not the only customers in the dealership. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, but the mindset of most people seems to be "I am the only one here." Which is understandable, in a way, because you're spending so much money. But what people don't realize is, there may be 3 or 4 people ahead of you in line buying a car. These 3 or 4 people got here before you did, and they have to go first. Now, had you walked in an hour earlier-- or an hour later-- you might not have had to wait at all. But just by an accident of timing, all the customers got here at once and decided to buy a car. It's very frustrating for us, too, because we don't like the wait, either. But it just happens. Thanks for your comment.
DSmithy3211 5pts @mehgerbil Exactly this. If the motivation to speed things up doesn't come from the customers themselves, then surely it would come from the salespeople.
bugeye 5pts @Mark McDonald Mark, I completely understand why there is a six-month waiting period for these programs, from the point of view of the partner organization. In my case, one of these programs is via a car enthusiast club that I joined. The other is a benefit that is extended to shareholders of the manufacturer after owning shares for 6 months.What I don't fully understand is why the dealerships are not willing to just give me that price now. I mean, their choices are (1) wait another two months, and then make a sale to me at $x, or (2) make a sale to me at $x right now. Seems to me a bird in the hand and all that... but then again maybe I'm being too rational.
dptech247 5pts Your comment is actually a good one but there are two types of dealership in today's market? 1 is the old-fashioned used car dealership even though they sell new cars they have an old attitude. 2 .is the new business dealership these dealerships have HR department training department and constant individual learning systems.these new dealerships or training salesman that people are not pieces of meat. Salesman have to learn it's all about service today build a relationship sell a car .people buy cars from people they like !
dgr1000 5pts @MOAR! Slow down there, MOAR! Billy G probably didn't need to upset you and your little sister. Using a word like 'salesman' could just as easily be like the Greek word 'anthropos' for mankind, meaning both genders. I'm cutting Billy some slack on this one.Test drive for six months and not know what to buy? Those people need a lot more than a salesperson (feel better?). They probably need a refill on their medication. I will agree that salespeople are helpful. That is, when they're not on you before you ever get a shoe on the asphalt. That one thing bothers me so much that when I'm in the market I will either take bids in the internet (the way I bought my last car) or look at a dealerships website and choose a salesperson by their photo and narrative (if it's there) and ask for that person when I first arrive.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts Maverick's answer pretty much covers it. I would add, you don't have to stick with the guy/gal you got if you're not happy with them.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts @bob Very good point. If you drive a car today, and you really aren't buying until 3 or 4 months from now, you won't remember how that car felt or drove-- especially if you drive more than one. You'll have to drive it again to refresh your memory.What "I'm not buying for X months" really means is . . . "I don't want to be pressured into buying today." That's all.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts @MaverickAZ @Vicconcep I agree with you. It's a defense mechanism. I can't tell you how many customers I've met who tell me they're 3 months out from buying . . . or 6 months out . . . or a year away . . . and the next day I call them and guess what they say? "Oh, I've already bought a car." Really? But you told me yesterday you weren't buying for several months. What happened? "Well, I just found a deal that was too good to pass up."Thanks for the comment!
Bigbrawler 5pts @bob @mehgerbil So you want your time respected, but not the time respected of those that were in line before you? There are so many holes in this argument...... You just sound self absorbed and like someone who likely isn't worth the time of doing business in the short or long run.
mehgerbil 5pts @Mark McDonald I know the 5 minutes to negotiate price seems fast but their first offer was close enough to the mark that I accepted it. I didn't really care about spending another hour fighting over $300.00. The vehicle was totally stock so there wasn't much wiggle room.I brought in a letter of pre-approval from a local credit union (one the dealership uses) and it still took 2.5 hours to get out of there. I don't think there were other customers, I went over lunch and there were at least two salespeople doing nothing at all. In fact, while my guy was out working magic in the back I talked to salesman for 1/2 hr. just shooting the breeze.The odd thing is when I went to the Credit Union it took them all of 10 minutes to decide to loan me the money - I just cannot figure out what takes so much time.I'm not calling you a liar as I enjoy your articles but when I hear of salesmen doing more than 2 deals a day I don't know how they make that happen - unless they're putting in 16-20hr days. It takes less time to get married, join the military, or get through security at the airport. =)
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts @DSmithy3211 @mehgerbil Believe me, I've seen salespeople practically come to blows with management and/or F&I guys over the time it took to get their customer in & out. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do about it.
bmcd1985 5pts @bugeye @Mark McDonald At my facility, the supplier program requires that you receive a code, and once we apply that code with the VIN of the vehicle you select, it allows the dealership to sell it for that price but receive a stipend from the manufacturer, much like a rebate. However, the salesman does not receive any compensation for that, just the dealership, so if you sell the 'supplier' deal and it equals $500 below invoice, enjoy your $100 mini. So you your salesman it doesn't matter when you buy the vehicle, but to the dealership they stand to gain more once you have your authorization code.
MOAR! 5pts lol, I was just giving him a hard time. Thing about being on people as soon as there feet hit the asphat. Half of the customers don't want to be bothered for a few minutes, and just take everything in before speaking with someone. The other half gets pissed off when you don't run over to them wanting to wait on them hand and foot becuase they are spending good money at your dealership. So it's kind of a tricky balance. And those people who you don't run over to, that want you to, are the ones that complain to the dealership and the brand.
Tim_Turbo 5pts @Mark McDonald We have had people in finance who will ask very detailed questions about every single document, or read every piece of print before signing. Which in theory is not a bad idea-but that is a lot of reading. What I'm getting at is I have seen some customers be in finance for 2 hours. So if you are the next customer in line, that will certainly add to the wait time, although it does not appear busy to the customer.
Mark McDonald moderator 5pts @mehgerbil @Mark McDonald It varies quite a bit, dealer to dealer. There was one place I worked where it seldom, if ever, took more than about an hour to get them in & out of Finance.But there was one place that was just ridiculous. I remember I had a customer call in from another city. We negotiated everything over the phone and agreed on the price. I got him to fill out a credit app on line, and I got all his pertinent info over the phone and pre-loaded into the computer. The guy made an appointment to be there the next day at 9 AM. I got the car cleaned up & ready for him in advance. He got there at 9:30. Guess what time he left.One o'freakin' o'clock.Don't ask me why. I don't know. On the other hand, I've waited 3 days for a credit union to approve someone my dealership got approved in 15 minutes.
dptech247 5pts This is caused by the belief of the management. And the FNI manager that the customers only there to see them also if they think they're not going to make money they slow the whole process ...on purpose


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BMW's ballistic 1 Series M Coupe, the latest in the M stable, will come to Australia at a whisker under $100,000.
BMW Australia today confirmed to CarAdvice the BMW 1 Series M Coupe will be priced at $99,900.
BMW Australia tells us that it will be specced with just about everything: Harman/Kardon surround sound stereo, internet, BMW Professional Navigation, voice control, remote alarm system, adaptive bi-xenon headlights, an alcantara trim on the dash, and of course, M-Drive.
We're told that all you'll have to do is specify a colour, of which there'll be three – Alpine White, Sapphire Black, and the hero colour, Valencia Orange.
Of course, with 19-inch wheels and a 250kW turbocharged straight six under the bonnet, plus aerodynamic, suspension and brake upgrades from the already potent 135i, the new M car will be aimed at the serious driver.
Only 100 examples are allocated to Australia, and we're told that all dealers have already been given a certain allotment. Almost all 100 have been spoken for with plenty of deposits already laid down.
CarAdvice will bring you a full road test once the 1 Series M Coupe arrives in Australia.
Note: Story updated February 4 with official confirmation from BMW Australia.
Guys, there will be 3 colours and not the entire 3 Series palette as suggested above.
valencia orange
alpine white
& sapphire black…
damn, i would've liked to see one in interlagos blue… =\
kind of reminds me of the m3 when it first got started.good looks,straight 6,100k…
another beautiful car, affected by ridiculous "oz pricing structure"
you have to be kidding me – i bought a 135i in alpine white with all the options and that came to $98,000 drive away….
only reason i did not hold out for the 1M is that everyone including BMW told me it would start at around $110 – $115 ex on roads.
Well suck it up i'm selling my 135i and moving to the US so i can buy 1M and enjoy it on proper roads without speed catching devices!!
Have a look at the price of this car in the US…and start weeping. Its less than 50k, plus on road costs.
And why did they spec the hell out of it?
Answer – so people can't buy a basic one and save some money, because then the price would be too close to the 135i.
All they had to do was price it in the low 80k range without all the trimmings and that would have been fair and reasonable.
But alas…once you pay BMW's ridiculous delivery fees this car will be more than $110k on the road.
What about $99,990 drive away BMW? Do you think you could actually manage that? A decent car under 100k Australian? Didn't think so…
my point exactly
I told you it would be about 120k delivered, you are kidding yourself if you thought it was going to be any less. $99k delivered would of been competitive but for a little extra you could get a real M3.
To be honest, that's bang for the buck. If it was hitting $100k without options, I'd say see ya BMW…but spec'd like that as a base….wow…very surprising and impressive.
If only I had $100k…….
Pfft, the best bang for buck is getting S15, and spend only 1/4 of the price of an M1, and weep at the outcome of S15.
Less money buys a 335kw Supercharged quadcam V8 FPV GT-P! And you do not have to be an amputee to fit in it!
Much, much less money again would get you a 200hp, 200kg Kawasaki ZX-10R with unlimited headroom. With the change you could buy a 4WD ute and a good trail bike with money still left over for other hobbies. Your point being?
Oh, I forgot. I would like to see the FPV GT-P keep up with the 1 Series M on a mountain road…
Or about the same money will get you a 2006 BMW M5 that will sh## all over the rep mobile. What's your point?
What is it with you and second hand BMWs? Seriously
And buy yourself a glorified taxi with bad build quality, cheap plastics, and bad resale.
I dont disagree that the comparison betwween the falc and the beemer is silly but lay off the taxi insults. Go to germany and see what they sport as taxis….
Anyone who thinks a buyer of a 1M Coupe would also consider a 335kw Falcon or vice versa is losing grip on reality.
Completely different buyer profiles, and thank Christ for that.
If a Falcon is your performance dream car, be my guest AC! Its all yours!
Correct jimmy , the guys who buy the M1 dont give a toss about the price , they want they get it, whats $15k when you up to 100k .
No way would they be interested in a bogan falcoon .
That would be an easier truth to swallow if you weren't able to buy the same car fully optioned for less than fifty grand in the US and not much more in the UK, in truth no one thinks you're a person of better taste for choosing the BMW, rather you're just a fool for buying into BMW Oz's BS about premium car ownership. I'd hate myself for being so weak as to pay so much more than the cars value just to be another BMW badge whore.
Jimmy James, I own an FG XR6 Turbo, admittedly with some sensible modification to dampers and brakes.., and yes, I would also buy a 1M as I am a passionate enthusiast of european cars. Own several in fact, one I use for competition. Why do I drive an XR6 daily? Because I dont view vehicles as a fashion accessory, rather I appreciate value. Very few options exists if you are searching for a traditional manual gearbox and mechanical limited slip differential in a rear wheel drive chassis. In my opinion, Falcon has the most feelsome steering on any car this side of a 997 GT3. If you take a close look at the front suspension of the current FG, the entire assembly is cast from aluminium utilising a multi-link design a generation or two ahead of BMW's strut based systems. The driveline is a little cluncky, but driving around it is part of the challenge. Cars are becoming so good that enjoying them is becoming difficult, the limits are way to high. E92 M3 case in point. Falcon is raw, a great all rounder and a driver's car. Who would have thought it ever possible. In actual fact a Falcon is the grass roots and honest type of car that BMW have recognised their fans want them make once more. Ford/Holden just need to move on from wings and stripes in driver orientated models. Take one for a drive, even if you have no intention to buy one,, you will be proud of what Australia has designed on small development budgets.
Well said mate!!
"small development budgets"
Are you kidding? Those small budgets suddenly become significant if you start to add the tax payer billions that keep the industry afloat. Or don't those count?
most feelsome steering this side of a GT3? Ever driven a lotus, or a boxter….or cayman…or a clio 182…or or or…
Also thanks for assuming I have never driven an XR6 turbo. FYI I have driven two XR6 Turbos – the current car and the previous model, plus a mate's G6E.
They're good cars, and the steering is good, but their size means they're not nimble. Also the driving position is comically high. To me they're a family sedan in a fancy frock and stilettos. If you need a big family car with grunt and acceptable dynamics, they're a good choice…second hand that is.
But last time I checked the story on this page was about a new small german coupe, which is nimble, agile and has big power and excellent weight distribution. And then some clown gets on here and says a big falcon with a supercharger will beat it. Different car, different market, different appeal. There might be some that would consider both, and for you it sounds like the 1M might be one car in a fleet of many…but would you really expect the average person who owns one car to have narrow down their choice to a falcon xr6 and the 1M and then choose one of them?
And don't for a minute assume I am some euro snob. I have chosen all my cars based on bang for buck and thus far they have been japanese turbo coupe, 4wd turbo sedan, and french hot hatch. If I am lucky, and can scrape together the money, one day I might get a lotus or a porsche, or an BMW M car of some description. Unless of course something comes out that's much cheaper, appeals to me, and can match the above mentioned cars on steering and dynamics.
As I said before, if a falcon floats your boat, go for it. Fine car. But I won't be joining you because I dont need or want a car that big and I (like many others I suspect) wouldnt consider one against a car like the 1M.
French Hot Hatch….. hahahahahaha
if i'm buying i don't want any of that fully specced crap in whats suppose to be a pure drivers' car.
Go buy a Caterham then.
$110K-$120K on road for a 1 series… OMG!!!
BMW have gone mad – I'm sure it is going to be a hoot to drive. But a 1 series for over a $100K? Give me a break.
I imagine it won't have those awful bloody runflat tyres though…
Well to be fair, its not BMW's fault that the price is so high. There are factors such as GST (10%), Import Duties (5%), Luxury Car Tax etc that add alot to the final price of the car….thats why when you look at the U.S or Europe the price is much lower…..oh and of coarse, look at the quantity of units they can sell here. Our smaller population means they need to have a slightly higher margin to cover things such as dealership costs, advertising and of coarse shipping to Australia. We ARE a nation far away from most major markets for these cars. Even in Asia, China and Japan are the largest importers of such brands and they (Europe, U.S and Central Asia) are located within equal distance to each other.
So basically we get screwed….mostly by the government imposed taxes and duties though.
P.s: Look at the price of buying a Holden Commodore (Chevrolet in the U.S) in the States and its actually cheaper than in Australia….AND THE CAR IS MADE HERE?!
What we need is some major reforms into this whole industry….the whole country needs to take a step back as see what is going on…we are moving backwards in many respects actually and no one has the ballz to do anything about it
the key word there David is 'slightly' higher margin.
something BMW know nothing about. try giant margin, which is something BMW australia understands.
don't get me started on dealer delivery fees either…which should be abolished. I'll wash the bloody thing myself!
This car costs less than $70k ON THE ROAD in the UK. They have a 20% VAT. If you don't think that the problem is with certain importers and their margins then you need to brush up on your year 7 maths.
P.s: Look at the price of buying a Holden Commodore (Chevrolet in the U.S) in the States and its actually cheaper than in Australia….AND THE CAR IS MADE HERE?!
—> kind of shows that the price of shipping isn't that great doen't it?
we should just buy cars from the US and ship it back here.
BMW M3 $60,000… in the US.
BMW M3 $160,000… in AUS.
Pontiac G8 GT (Holden SS-V) $35,000… in the US.
Holden SS-V Redline $55,000… in AUS.
Ask yourself, is the badge really worth 100k?
I do like the car but I agree…way over prised!
I bet you guys are already arguing over who gets to test review this thing when it lands. Such a gorgeous car.
Really – the 1M is a lot of things, but gorgeous isn't one of them. I think you need your eyes checked.
the 1 looks arkward from read 3/4 or full rear angles and the front just doesn't look proportionate.
The only thing that helps it is the low stance.
can half the people commenting here afford this car? It's a great car, a return to the ethos of some of the first 3 series BMW's. Looks pretty good, and will no doubt be an instant classic. If you can afford a 135i you can afford this car. BMW knows that.
comparing a falcon to this is silly.
OR in other words $49,000 more than it's worth, only in Australia would our collective convict guilt (or some such thing) allow us to believe that a sporty version of the most base model of a cheap car in most other countries could be worth near $100,000, I guess Holden should be thanking you for subsidising their manufacturing process so that they can sell a car priced upwards of $50,000 in Australia to the Americans for under $40,000, well done.
Wake up Australia, until we start demanding value for money we will continue to get ripped off by a self serving government and a long list of very greedy automotive importers. Use the internet look outside your four walls and start asking what the hell is going on. Don't worry badge whores I'm sure when these vehicles are reasonably priced they will still be a bit more expensive than the average Bogan's car.
Top Gear just priced the 1m at GBP 40K in the UK. That's AUD 60K. I wonder what would happen if the Oz governments stopped protecting the local production lines and got rid of luxury car import tax? competition perhaps.
If idiots like myself keep paying these ridiculous prices for over valued cars,then what incentive is there for dealers to reduce pricing? I mean seriously,why would they reduce pricing? out of the goodness of their hearts? Gimme a break!
My current car is my second euro and it's also my last.I'll be damned if I'm gonna be stitched any more by these ridiculous prices,the internet has opened my eyes at the shafting which is occurring in this country.
I've decided to vote with my wallet and if more and more people did the same,then and only then will distributors and dealers realize the party's over.
I know very well though that this will never happen,as we are a nation that is just too passive,and are used to just accepting things no matter how unfair they are……
wow to perfomance specs, but looks like shit, look at the headlights : P
the only WOW factor are those quads at the back. thats all. give me a 2nd hand C63 anyday.


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