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A knowledge-based workflow to dynamically manage human interaction in extended enterprise
- Maura Mengoni,
- Serena Graziosi,
- Marco Mandolini,
- Margherita Peruzzini
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Extended enterprises require novel modes of organizing companies and managing collaboration. Although the promise of Information Communication Technologies to connect people, processes and information, it is worth to notice that current implementations are strongly document-oriented and do not enable flexible workflow management overcoming well-known inter-enterprise integration difficulties. The long-term goal of the research is the study of a new methodology and the development of dedicated software tools to facilitate the dynamic collaboration among 21 companies participating to a research project, funded by the Italian Economic Ministry, called CO-ENV. The definition of dynamic workflow system architecture represents the step forwards the implementation of a collaborative platform. Preliminary benchmarking of available systems and techniques, the product development process analysis of the project participant companies and a possible structure of the system are well illustrated. Examples of expected and unexpected exceptions are reported and differences between static and dynamic workflow management systems are discussed.
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- Title
- A knowledge-based workflow to dynamically manage human interaction in extended enterprise
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International Journal on Interactive Design and Manufacturing (IJIDeM)
Volume 5, Issue 1 , pp 1-15
- Cover Date
- 2011-02-01
- 10.1007/s12008-010-0103-7
- Print ISSN
- 1955-2513
- Online ISSN
- 1955-2505
- Publisher
- Springer-Verlag
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- Keywords
- Dynamic workflow
- Design process
- Product innovation
- Product lifecycle management
- Extended enterprise
- Industry Sectors
- Authors
- Maura Mengoni (1)
- Serena Graziosi (1)
- Marco Mandolini (1)
- Margherita Peruzzini (1)
- Author Affiliations
- 1. Department of Mechanical Engineering, Polytechnic University of Marche, Via Brecce Bianche, 60131, Ancona, Italy


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Set in the small township of Kendram, in the village of Kilmaluag on the Isle of Skye, this traditional cottage is stone built and boasts wonderful open views across The Minch, an Atlantic sea strait. Just made for a rural getaway, the cottage is cosy and light, with sea views from many windows. There is one double room, one twin and one single, and open fires in both the sitting and dining rooms. The area offers terrific walking and climbing, some of it literally on the doorstep, and this cottage is perfectly based for enjoying the spectacular scenery of the Isle.
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Top defensive end prospects appear headed elsewhere
Posted by Rob Moseley
Oregon's chances for a top-10 recruiting class took a hit in the last couple of days, as did the Ducks' efforts to shore up one of their priority positions in this recruiting class.
Defensive end Owamagbe Odighizuwa of David Douglas in Portland, told the Portland Tribune his three finalists are now Nebraska, UCLA and—in place of Oregon—Oregon State. Odighizuwa is the No. 8 recruit in the country regardless of position as ranked by Rivals.com.
(Personally, I always assume a player will sign with his first love, and Odighizuwa never seemed that high on Oregon early in the recruiting process. So this isn't something shocking from where I sit.)
Also note in that Tribune story that former UO defensive end Dominic Glover will sign with OSU after spending some time in junior college. Glover's two seasons at Oregon in 2007 and 2008 were marred by injury, and he later was dismissed for academic issues.
There's also a lot of scuttle right now that defensive end Gabe King, another SuperPrep all-American, likely won't end up at Oregon, either. King is the North Carolina native who transferred to South Eugene High for his senior season but then had his season cut short by knee problems.
Earlier this recruiting season, Oregon had five-star D lineman Dominique Easley of Staten Island, N.Y., all but locked up, until he received a late offer from Florida and jumped at the chance to join the Gators' sterling class.
The Ducks lost three seniors on the defensive line from 2009, including two starters. They've already added JC transfer Isaac Remington, who has the size to play both tackle and end. And they have verbal commitments from ends Tony Washington of Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., and Chris McCain of Greensboro, N.C.
Oregon is also still pursuing tackle Ricky Heimuli of Salt Lake City and Bjoern Werner of Salisbury, Conn.
One thing to remember at this point is that two of the players who made the biggest splash on the scout team last season were defensive end Anthony Anderson and defensive tackle Taylor Hart. Also, tackle Wade Keliikipi is a big body who is also entering his redshirt freshman year after missing most of last fall following shoulder surgery.
But the Ducks lose five more seniors off the line after the 2010 season—Brandon Bair, Zac Clark, Tyrell Irvin, Terrance Montgomery and Kenny Rowe—so building depth for the future was a priority for this class.
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ChicagoDuck, Chicago
Bummer. My boss is a Nebraska guy, I'll never hear the end of this one.
greenbaaron, Greenlake
Seriously? - Owa, now King? This is craptastic.
Rob, where's the "scuttle" coming from about King?
Does it have to do with this nightmare weekend the Ducks are having?
Chip and Azinaro better dig in and get some bodies over there ASAP.
In other news, I've got two laptops and a guitar for sale if anyone's interested! ;)
Tom -BVTn, BVTN
So what about Werner and Hemuili (sp?) ? are they still considering the Ducks?
lynn, east bay
Rob- I heard that actually Owa is still interested in Oregon (although I think he will end up at Nebraska) and that the OSU thing is not correct.
DJ, N. Marion
I'm not sure there's a team more well suited for emotional roller coaster rides than the Ducks.
The anticipation building up to the '09 season and then the BSU game with the punch. Up and down.
The thrilling drama of the season ending with everything seemingly so magical as the team headed for the R.B….heck, we even had a cool video…then whoop…there goes the carpet from under us. Up and down.
It's all good though because we have all of these amazing recruits coming in…uh oh…violence, theft allegations, and the most highly sought after recruits slowly dropping off. Up and down.
I'm going to look at the bright side here though…even if everyone drops off right now…the guys that have already verballed are great. We still have an awesome group with a lot of talent already there. The glass is definately full…at least through my green and yellow glasses.
I'm just hoping that in the next few days we get some good news. Something along the lines of, "Seastrunk goes flying with the Ducks"; or "Heimuli and Werner, the O's new T's". That would definately smooth over a lot of this up and down action.
It's okay to say up and down action in that context isn't it?
trustyman, las vegas
These kids change their mind more than a woman's outfits. We'll see what really happens come signing day. Doesn't lache seastrunk announce his school tomorrow at his high school gym?
Brian Duck Carpenter
as a top notch Defensive player would you really want to play in a Bend but don't Break style Defense.
Sorry but Nic Allidoisallowalot is the pink elephant in the room…
Offensively we recruit all types of Great top 5 star types, Because they want to play in Oregon's Offensive system and for a Great offensive mind/coach Chip Kelly
I wish we had a Defensive Coach that would illicit those same kind of feeling about playing in Oregon's Defensive system. Because until that day i doubt we can get too many Commits for the top Defensive recruits.
had to say it -
James, Beaverton
Owa always seemed like a strong UCLA lean given his desire for great academics (though his stated desire to have a career in sports marketing would have seemed to play into Oregon's favor). Then again, with the success of Suh (likely first overall NFL draft pick) Nebraska could be attractive to him.
Either way, he's a great kid and I hope his decision works out for the best.
Phillyduck, Philadelphia
While both of these are tough losses to swallow since we seemed destined to land at least one of them… I am still impressed with our recruiting capabilities as of late and remember we already do have Remington and Washington coming in next year…. Hopefully we can land Heimuli or Werner which would be of great help. We really need interior linemen for this class… that's our biggest concern left unaddressed.
As for Dargan, Seastrunk, Jefferson… These are our next big three to focus on for signing day. Hopefully we can land at least one or two of them. I'm really pulling for Seastrunk tomorrow that would be huge.
Hey Rob, can you expand on what exactly triggered Oregon to pull Gabe King's offer? I can't see any reasoning behind it, especially after we just lost Owa.
I don't get too worked up about individual recruits going to other schools. Our overall recruiting classes have improved quite a bit in recent years. We're still in that place where we're being considered by top prospects but not quite one of the big boys yet. It wasn't so long ago that Oregon wouldn't even be considered.
Top recruiting prospects can payoff, but we're still talking potential. They get injured too, or can run into academic issues, or can become overcome by personal problems, or have problems adjusting to life after school and leaving home. This is all about potential. Potential is not always realized. I think CK has a great staff that will get the most out of the players we have and the players we recruit.
DJ, N. Marion
Trustyman- Yes, Lache is suppossed to make an announcement tomorrow from an assembly at his school.
Also, I don't know about many of you…but if Owa's not coming to Oregon, I think I'd rather see him play at Nebraska. Pelini and co. might be a great route for him to develop and it would take the sting out of losing him if he is not in the Pac-10.
Man, he was the one I was really hoping would come to Oregon…who knows…maybe he'll change his mind? Again…
tape, Portland
Well, who will be the top DE's for 2011 class. Perhaps we can start our disappointment earlier.
I really thought coach Az is the perftict personality to bring in to-tier DL help. Perhaps he'll have to coach/develop some here first.
Brian Duck Carpenter
Craig Akin DT Thurston H.S. springfield
any as a side note, family from Marcola and he grew up a Beaver fan ; {
MarcTheDuck, pdx
Yeah, Owa was one I really wanted too. But, as Rob mentioned above, we may have always been a long shot on that. I also agree that I'd rather see him go to Nebraska if not here - I don't want to have to play against him every year.
We've done a great job with offense over the past few years. We've been one of the best in the country several years in a row, and absolutely fun as hell to watch. Now it's time to put some focus on bringing the defensive level up a few notches. We don't have to try to match the offense but we should aim to be consistently top 40 in every category (consider that we're generally bottom 20 in a couple on the D). Higher would be even better but I'd settle to top 40 at this point. But we need to get more wins in the defensive recruiting as part of that. So I'm pretty disappointed we can't keep a local guy, Owa, here due to "lack of focus on defense" (paraphrasing him) at Oregon.
Curtis Interuptis, Sisters, Oregon
Yeah, top notch defensive lineman don't want to play for Allioti. It's too bad we can't get guys like Haolit Ngata, Igor Olshansky, Junior Siavii, Nick Reed…..
You know, guys who make it at the next level….
Marcus, Ann Arbor
Rob - Do you see Oregon's recruiting taking a hit because a certain newspaper decided to name two UO football players in relation to the alleged burglary at the SAE fraternity this weekend?
P.S. Thank you to Rob and the whole staff at the Register-Guard for remaining professional journalists with regard to said story.
MarcTheDuck, pdx
Yeah, Curtis, guys like that would be great. If you had all 4 of them on the D line at the same time instead of several years apart. Kind of like the team that just defeated us in the Rose Bowl. And they do that every year.
I'm not sure where the "bend but don't break" defense idea is coming from, because it's not based on Oregon's defense. Oregon blitzes as much as almost anyone in the Pac 10, and maybe more, and blitzed constantly against Ohio St., and maybe more than they should have. Oregon's defensive issues starts and ends with personnel, not scheme. Aliotti used a variety of NFL-style zone blitzes last year but that is not as effective against teams with strong running games. These issues with Defensive line recruiting is a big deal and if the Ducks don't do well in that area it will severely limit any defensive scheme. You could have the best scheme ever, but if you don't have the players to make it work it won't matter.
Asher 44, Eugene
Coach Azz couldn't sell Gatorade to a man stranded in the Mojave Desert. Just once, I wish we could get a world-class salesman on our coaching staff.
honestduck, Long Beach
How big of a flake is this guy?
nick musgoe
Curtis, remember that fiesta bowl!!! Funny how Reed, Chung, WT III, and Byrd all will play at the next level and Nick A. was able to coach them to a somewhat south of 60th total D rating in 2008. Yeah, that's who I'd want to play for. Chip's a smart guy, this won't go on forever.
El, Colorado
The 'bend but don't break' philosophy only ended last year - when they decided to add a more aggressive blitz package with the knowledge that Azz brought. Who have you been watching for the previous 20 years my friend? I can't even count how many 3rd & 15+ we have allowed to convert to first downs, when Alinotti decided to sit in a soft zone only bringing 3-4 linemen with no extra backers off the edge or up the middle. Time and time again. Not to mention how many times Bellotti stuck up for Aliotti for the heat he would get, even using the term 'bend but don't break' like it was okay, saying on many occasions, "…it's not how many yards you give up its the points we are worried about…"
My problem is that you can't judge based on how often they are blitzing but how successful they are and how many extra people they have to bring to get pressure. I personally think that they do not teach the fundamentals of blitzing very well and the timing of their blitzes is predictable. Many of our players over the years seem to get stacked up at the line of scrimmage and don't ever put any pressure on the QB. Even Terrell Pryor said they knew exactly what we were gonna do….and he's no wizard behind center!
Let's just look at the Jet's – a bunch of no-name defenders (mostly) that a defensive genius can turn into the #1 defense all because of his scheme and play calling.
BK, Greenfield
I appreciate your attempt at keeping me from panic mode, " They've already added JC transfer Isaac Remington, who has the size to play both tackle and end." Rob, last I heard he goes about 260lbs. That may pass as a D tackle in our D scheme, in our present situation, but doesn't instill a lot of confidence in where we are, or where we are going as far as our defense is concerned.
He may be big compared to a Kenny Rowe (230lbs) who is linebacker size for the (t)OSU's and other top D's out there.
Why are we having such a hard time in getting good D linemen? The question has to be asked. Getting great guys for our offense doesn't seem to be a problem.
I think BD Carpenter hit the nail on the head. (#7)
remember the pryor sweepstakes?
owa has the same "feel" to it
the ducks need to focus on good D linemen THAT THEY CAN GET
they can get very good players at all other positions to come here and then coach them up to the highest level
example: lamichael james was not the most sought after RB, but ducks got him and developed him to greatness
maybe they should try the same formula on D linemen?
El, Colorado
Agreed with #25 & #7 - we can market our offense but not our defense? I don't think so. Someone on that side of the ball can't recruit kids. I used to think that Bellotti stole all the offensive talent from the Defense (Rosario for example) but that hasn't been the case lately, so what gives? I think we could afford a mid-high end defensive guy that could stir things up and attract some kids. Look at the comments Owa has been making about Nebraska! He wants to go there for the coaches and the scheme! Same thing goes for the uniforms and facilities – nice things, and the ideas of future success attract kids to a school. Allioti may be one great motivational speaker and can recruit the bay area but we need more than the bay area.
Bryan, eugene
nick musgoe, I guess you did not watch Bryd in the nfl this year, he had an ok year for a rookie LOL, and by the way he played for Nick
BK, Greenfield
CI, (#16) where are those guys at now? Where were they last year? Can they at least be here next year when we will really need them?
dfb, we blitz a lot because we can't pressure the QB with our undersized D line. Wake up, before OSU played the Ducks Prior was just a decent QB. After the RB all of a sudden he is projected to be the best QB to ever walk the planet next year. Oregon's D made him a pre-season Heisman favorite!
nick musgoe
Bryan, Hello, anyone home? that was the point, nick has had some great talent, just can't do anything with it. Keep LOL'n, I'll try to make it a little simpler next time.
FluffyDuck, NYC
BDC, I hope you'll get a kick out of this, because I'm posting it with a grin. Read the posts in this thread, then read this post that some knucklehead wrote a few days ago in response to gushing about this year's recruits, and see if you see the relationship:
"Any one of those kids that have already made verbal commitments (not to mention the uncertainty of the uncommitted) may change their mind and sign somewhere else or not qualify, and then it's going to be months of handwringing about the ones that got away and criticizing of teenagers and blaming of coaches and questioning of direction and projections of doom."
It's already begun. Potentially greatest recruiting class in Ducks history still won't be good enough. We're doomed!
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'll save you all the trouble of saying it: "It's just our defense that's doomed. Fire Alliotti!"
Don, Aloha
Looks like the same old story as far as landing a big time recruit! I'm very disappointed.
casey, Des Moines
Man, this sucks. Oregon is not going to take the next step until they're able to make a major talent upgrade on the DLine. The biggest difference between Ohio State and Oregon in the Rose Bowl was that their DLine could control the LOS and disrupt our offense. Ours could not do the same to them. The result was a 42:00 to 18:00 difference in time of possession. (Yeah, Chip, it matters. See, your offense can't score from the sidelines.) This is getting really old. The Zack Freiters, Cole Linehans and Blake Ferris' of the world are gutty, hard working, overachievers who play solid if not unspectacular football for the Ducks. But the truth is, these guys might not start for half of the other teams in the Pac-10. We have to make due year in and year out. Until that changes, we'll be out of our league against college football's true heavy weights. BTW, are we sure Coach Az is any better recruiter than his predecessor?
BK, Greenfield
The "potential" that would have made us a top 10 recruiting class were defensive players. They are not coming here now. No one is questioning the great recruits on the other side of the ball.
I guess you are happy with out-scoring our opponents.
I didn't expect to get Owa or King. Those guys might be great individual players, but it is sometimes more important for a player to fit into team chemistry. If those guys don't think they are a fit here, we wish them well. We'll get other guys.
Getting a great education and being on a great team are secondary to some kids. Owa said he wanted to study sports marketing and the U of O is the BEST school for that. So its not about the education. OK, fine. Nebraska's coaches did a good job with Suh, but the team is overall weaker than the Ducks project to be. But soem players want to excell individually and think a certain posiiton coach is their best shot.
Its like that some times.I mean, distance runners come to Eugene because its a great place to train. Nebraska does a good job with linemen. Penn State is known for linebackers and so on. More power to Owa if he finds a home. Hope he stays injury free and has a great future. But I'd rather have a team first guy.
As for King, you have to wonder if the knee plays a role. Moving all the way across country to Eugene and seeing games at Autzen up close for a year, then he wants to go to Cal? Hard one to figure. Cal is an annual also ran. Good school academically tho. We'll see if he earns a degree. Also wish him well.
What sometimes gets overlooked is that we like the guys we got.
and…. we love our Ducks. -
FluffyDuck, NYC
BK, you kind of missed the point of my post, but that's OK. As a matter of fact, I am very happy with out-scoring our opponents. I find it very satisfying. Outscore your opponent and you win 100% of the time.
Duck4cover, PDX
Ah Fluffy you always have it- must be that NYC state of mind. You just let the wind out of all these amateur coaches and critics (who have every right to coach and critique). But at the end of the day you put your faith in the folks who run the show and recruit the players. Hand wringing never moved a football or blocked a run. Both Oregon schools have done great things with lesser lights over the years and grown their programs in the process. The various bird droppings that have occurred over the past season, and most recently, notwithstanding the trajectory is still upward.
What will be will be and then you make the most with what you've got. Comparisons to other schools are pointless. It's never what the other guy does, it's what you do that matters.
In the normal course of things there will be positive an negative surprises. Here's hoping that when the dust settles the Ducks have an even greater year this coming season! I lub my Ducks!
MarcTheDuck, pdx
Tongue in cheek (to those who say don't recruit the east… we never get anyone good from there)...
Obviously we're wasting our time recruiting western states like Oregon. We never get anyone any good from there. Too close to where our school is. Too close to their families. They want to go further away.
(I didn't mean that as a slam to anyone… it's just funny that sometimes you just can't win and there's no particular geographic to blame.)
dorkey duck, arizona
I find it really hard to believe that real Oregon fans would be panning the defense coach one week before signing day. This seems quite stupid to me and makes me think they are really beaver lovers. Did any of you stop and think that the two senior defensive backs we lost could have made a great difference in the stanford and ohio state games. So if your really Oregon fans wake up and smell the Roses.
BK, I can't remember the last time you ever said anything positive.
You crtiticize me for being too positive, and blast anyone else with something positive to say. Why even call yourself a fan if you don't cheer your team and hope for your team to do well?I try to balance out the negative comments I see on here (and they are legion) by being positive and looking on the good side of things. I am a coach and that's what coaches do, we encourage and build people. Im a Marine and that's what we do, we build men from the ground up.
Nobody ever led a team to victory by being negative.I try to let rescruits and their parents know how cool it is to live in a place like Eugene. Its a rare place with a great school. I chose it from dozens of other schools. It is great academically,great climate, good air quality and a very healthy environment. It has low crime, no crowds, no pollution and you can get away to a fishing spot or hiking trail in minutes.
What's not to like?
The kids that come to Eugene love it here. I look forward to cheering for the ones that show up
We just came off a magical season. Next year looks even better.
Its a great time to be a Duck fan, so gee whiz, enjoy it willya?
Jim S, MD
Good comments El and casey, in my opinion. Azz definitely seemed to bring a new intensity and some help in defensive schemes, the verdict is still out on his recruiting.
Look at his recruiting list:
http://oregon.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=242&sport=1&year=2010Hopefully with more years in the program he can come into his own. But why are they trying to pull D linemen (I'm not saying RBs, QBs) out of Florida and Georgia away from those schools? The Beavers have verbal commits from 3 quality, maybe not spectacular, DT prospects that Oregon did not even offer according to Rivals. Why not start by going after more attainable recruits like that?
Hopefully things swing back the Ducks' way before signing day, as its all still up in the air.
BK, Greenfield
You got me on that one! Kind of set myself up for it I know.
You know what I meant though, I don't want to have to rely on having to outscore every team we play. You know your stats very well, I know you could mention a couple teams we played well defensively last year, one dimensional teams though, not duel threats. -
Our coaches look for a certain kind of kid, personality wise. They are mixing team chemistry here. Finding kids with the heart of a winner is a rare thing. The coaches know what they are doing and who they want. They have shown that STARS mean nothing to them.
Our kids play above themselves because they have heart, not just ability.
We'll do great with who we already have. Its going to get better.
Trust the coaches and trust the players.
Kelly -
Jerry, The Land of Bowerman
If I'm an Owa type DL, I wouldn't base my whole decision on defensive schemes as to which university I choose.
Regardless of schemes and philosophy of coaches, you still have to get it done on the field, in practice, and in the classroom. If you're a 5 star, you can do that, regardless of who your coach is.
I think people like Nick Reed and Haloti Ngata, to name a couple, are great examples of that.
UCLA and the Beavers, don't strike me as defensive powerhouses, though they have some good talent.
Good luck to Owa, whatever he decides.
Look BK, no hard feelings. At least you gave FD some props.
I think we will need to expand Autzen again. Fans love TDs.But Owa and Gabe, and other DL prospects considering the Ducks, fans love sacks on 3rd and long. And we could use some help with that.
Curtis Interuptis, Sisters, Oregon
Hmmm…. Not to be a smart aleck to Marc the Duck, et al, but….
Obviously CBS Sportsline and the other NFL draft sites know a heck of a lot less than folks on this site. FYI the defensive line of tOSU has three players listed that may get a look… At picks 290, 423 and 563.
Which means free agent to camp at best.
So, the team that just beat us did not have four defensive linemen anywhere near the level of Ngata, Olshansky, Siavii, Reed…. And definitely not at one time, and not year in year out…..
But, they were damn good…...
FluffyDuck, NYC
BK, I do know what you're saying, but I really think all the hundreds and hundreds (and hundreds!) of posts on the site over the past couple of weeks about our defense are mostly an overreaction to one single game: The Rose Bowl. It was just one loss; but it was the last one, and it was a bitter one, and we all have nine months to think about it. Nobody was screaming for our coaches' heads when we beat Cal and USC. Remember that? That was just a couple of months ago.
But the point I was making (and chuckling about) is that this thread has handwringing, and criticizing of teenagers, and blaming of coaches, and questioning of direction, and projections of doom. And yet, we STILL don't know what our final recruiting class is!
I think Duck4cover's summarized it nicely in #37, 3rd paragraph.
And I might as well finish the thought from that knuckleheaded post of a couple of days ago:
"I'm just suggesting that we all take our lithium and try and keep a little perspective until we actually have a signed recruiting class."
BK, Greenfield
Your right, I don't say much positive on here. I'll work on it. And happy (post) veteran's day to you. I am an ol' grunt, US Infantry. You know what boot camp does though, it tears you down first. Your brain doesn't realize what your body can do, or the punishment it can take till it hits rock bottom. And I have concerns for our D for the next couple years that it could hit rock bottom.
I knew you wrote for the recruits! I guess I save my cheering for the games, I don't sit while on defense and yell the whole time.Anyway, I'll work on being more positive if you will take your rose colored glasses off every now and then and put a little fire in your blogs. We'll have to agree to disagree on NA though.
Phillyduck, Philadelphia
Guys don't forget we do have Tony Washington coming into this class who is a 6'4" 235 lbs DE that has plenty of room to fill out and bulk up. Did I mention he runs a 4.7? Seriously. I think he'll shine in our program in a couple years. Also, of note. Chris McCain is coming too. 6'6" 205lbs right now. He'll be a project and depending on how he develops may opt to play D-Line if he bulks up.
And don't write off Azz or Alliotti. They're good coaches with an excellent track record of getting players to the next level. Anyone who disagrees can go look it up. Coaches divide up their recruiting based upon regions a lot of the time so that is why you see Azz's name after so many non-local players. Steve Greatwood has always been the Northwest recruiter for the Ducks.
Brian Duck Carpenter
Haloti was the # 1 D lineman coming out of H.S. what do we do ? get his knee blown out, as a freshman, covering a Punt. limit my potential by playing me in a two gap system that reads and reacts . He is now a NFL pro-bowler
Igor I give you that, he was a weight lifter that turned into a good solid NFL talent.
Savii ??? NFL bust never played and was good one year for the ducks
Nick Reed is just a amazing. He may be my favorite duck ever, because he did more with less.
but those are duck best 4 ? In almost 20 years as a D. Cordinator.
Pink Elephant says boooooooooo
Greenblood, Mountlake Terrace, WA
But I would argue that we have successfully "recruited" top DLs. In 2007 it was Myles Wade & Simi Fili (?), and in 2008 Justin Thompson. All didn't qualify academically, which I consider a separate issue.
Having said that, I don't mind a mildly warm fire being kept under our coaches on their DL recruiting efforts.
Curtis Interuptis, Sisters, Oregon
What I was trying to say, tongue FIRMLY planted in cheek, was that we do get some good defensive linemen here, even under the oh-so-hated Aliotti. And Ohio State does not get four pro level linemen on the D-line every year. And definitely not this year. No one does. The closest is USC offensive linemen, who take a cut in pay when they go pro…..
And I think Junior is still playing for Dallas. He has been in the league for quite a few years, so he is not a bust by any measure. He was a good two year JC transfer guy. Ngata was a beast, the best ever at Oregon, Igor made his body big enough by lifting and still plays, with Junior, and Nick Reed has a heart the size of a water buffalo…..
Stars aren't everything, it would've been great to have a guy like Owa, but if he's not feeling Oregon, then so be it
The immediate Depth for next season is pretty good for the Ducks at DE, some of the fans have the perception that these guys would just walk in and start day one. Usually for DLinemen, they redshirt to get up to speed physically
The year after is when we lose lots of ends/tackles and that's when we have to recruit
but get excited for the men coming in
Consider: Brian Orakpo, Gaines Adams, Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, Jamaal Anderson, ect regardless of what they are doing in the NFL, were simply dominant in college.
What do they have in common? they were all 2-3 star playersNot saying that we should stop targetting 4-5 stars, but I'm saying Coaches know best. They see the talent, and they figure out who'll fit the mold. They don't rely on the star system to tell them who's hot and who's not
ex. You don't see the Ducks recruiting a 265lbs blocking TE or fullback out of high school
Think about Anthony Anderson, sure he's not very highly rated, but he's a terror on the defensive line in scout team. If that is the case, with one college offseason with coach Rad, imagine the potential.
He's described as "lengthy" but he didn't go through a college offseason regimen yet. Theres even talk about how he might even startChris McCain recruited as a Outside backer, but very likely will put his hand down and play DE.
Tony Washington is a very athletic DE who has the size, but doesn't have the strength yet, 1 good offseason and he'll be a beast
Curtis White, heard initially was recruited as a backer, then the coaches gave him a position to play. In my opinion he should play DE where he'll make the most money and impact -
luckaduck, Southern Oregon
No doubt, winning the Rose Bowl would have been a scale tipper on some of the recruits that might be saying should I or shouldn't I go to Oregon.
Another thing is our scheme and the number of players coming back. Most of the football world of high school schemes has adopted the spread offense, not entirely like Chips version, but similar. I would think that players wanting to find a school to display their talents would want familiarity.
I felt from the get-go that Odighizuwa would not come to the ducks, but more apt to follow in the Heisman fellow Portland lineman's footsteps. Incidently don't you think that his heisman contender friend has a lot to do with recruiting him. Give Chip props for as late as last week going to Odighizuawa's home and making probably a last ditch pitch.
The backs and linemen that have been recruited have no doubt been told such things as available playing time if you work hard in spring and fall practices. They all know that this 2010 team is gonna be good and want to know just how they will fit in to help them get the brass ring.
I look for the majority to fulfill their letter of intent. Go ducks live will be on the air with Jerry Allen on LOI day from 8am to 10am giving info on who has signed and who has not.I believe that 2010 is the beginning of letting the world know that the ducks are climbing the ladder, and for the first time will be making real noises across the United States. This year was a learning year, and next year we play for the big prize.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
Maybe more big time defensive lineman would come to Oregon if they thought they'd get good coaching from the Defensive Co. Allow-a-lotti is a joke:
http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=231541941853 -
Spike, PDX
So Brian's such a genius, he knows we wasted Ngata's talent. Instead of putting him where he absorbed attention from both guards and the center, genius Brian would have played him where he would be automatically double-teamed, and where the potential for big plays away from him would have gone way up.
I swear, half our "fans" need anti-psychotic meds.
FluffyDuck, NYC
OK, so I'll get off my high horse and stick to the topic.
If you've kept up with the articles and interviews about Owa, it's very clear that his personal preference is Nebraska. Even Curtis White says this after speaking with him at the all-star game (it's posted on Rivals today.) It's understandable, because I'm sure they are recruiting him hard with the "blackshirts" tradition, and Suh's incredible success and accolades this year (a D-Lineman finalist for the Heisman!) are certainly vivid images in his mind. (As an aside, this is what I'm talking about when I say you can develop a recruiting pipeline to another part of the country. Success breeds more successes.)
From what I've read, his Mom's preference has been Oregon, but the Nebraska staff did a good job last week of making her comfortable that Owa's going to Nebraska could work for them. His Mom lives in Portland. His Mom certainly read about the bad weekend in Eugene. Ask yourself a question: How would your Mom feel after reading all that news?
While people have been tagging King as an Oregon man since he moved to Eugene, everything I've read has had him leaning to Cal. Now, I don't know why he might prefer Cal over Oregon, but I also couldn't tell you why I chose Oregon over Minnesota 30 years ago. I had an older brother and sister living in the Twin Cities. I could have had a ball there. Beats me why I ended up in Eugene.
The one that makes me angry is Easley, because those Florida kids don't seem to understand that Meyer isn't going to be their coach. He's just saving the recruiting class. Doing a fine job of it, too. Then he'll be gone.
All that said, NOTHING is official until the beginning of the signing period on Feb 3rd. To quote Ensign Taylor in Under Siege, "I guess we'll just see what we'll see, won't we."
Lets get away from the DE and concentrate on the DT's!!!
We have some good DE' stepping up on the roster and a boat load coming in this recruiting class. we need DT's!
Heimuli and Werner would be huge. According to Scout.com writer, Heimuli has the most chance of stepping in and playing right away in college out of all the DT in the 2010 class.
Go get um coach AZZ. you can coach, but can you get the big boys to come in and play for the Ducks?
Brian Duck Carpenter
thanks spike
chadalack, portland
We need more positive comments like bc. This recruiting class is going to be alright!
Jerry, The Land of Bowerman
I want the best for the Ducks on the recruiting front, just as everyone else does.
However, I just went to this link, and what you'll notice is there have been very few DE's or DT's who have made all Pac-8/10 over the years for the Ducks.
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=31851Ironically, we've still had great success over the years in spite of the fact we haven't had outstanding talent on the DL.
Incidentally, Mike Walter was a DE/DT for the Ducks in the 80's who managed a fairly lengthy career in the pros for the '49ers.
Jeff Stover, an Oregon shot putter, received praise from none other than Bill Walsh for his defensive play with the 9ers, but, unfortunately, he never played football at Oregon.
My point: lets go for the best DL's and hope for the best.
So, why was it Coach Gray got fired?
Terrysheldon, Eugene
Rob, I don't get it. You usually resist commenting about recruiting because of its flakey nature, but then you pass along a "tip" about Gabe King, then don't substantiate it? What gives?
I refuse to believe the owa reports. I believe in thge power of the photo:
He likes the ducks!
BK, Greenfield
I couldn't get on either link
sorry bro, I should probably take down, if I knew how. haha
You have to be a facebook member and be signed in at the time you click on the link, I guess.
Its just two picks of owa, one on his way to school, rocking the ole ducks sweater, and the other is of him rocking the ducks beanie.
Deputy, Eugene, Oregon
When one door closes another one opens. Use it to are advantage and get the best available linemen out there. The deference between great players and solid players is small. We want guys who want to be here, period. A happy player is more motivated, doing what he wants to do in the place he wants to do it. Trying to lure someone here that doesn't want to be here, just isn't going to happen. You can't win that battle so fight the ones that you can win.
Remember guys we had a great year, our class is very good, we are poised to be a great team. Chill with all the negative feelings, think positive and good things will come are way! -
you can always go to google search bow and enter his name, click enter then click on the images tab., there is a pick of him in his beanie, and no, I dont believe it was from his official visit
DuckJersey, NJ
I have been, and continue to be, most excited at the prospect of Ricky Heimuli coming to Oregon as a true defensive tackle. Although Owa and King would have been great additions, we have no shortage of defensive ends. What we need is someone in the middle, and from everything I've read, Heimuli (all 6'4" and 294lbs of him) is the kind of prospect that Oregon fans should be clamoring for.
Bottom line, even without any more additions, this is a great recruiting class. The reality is NO ONE gets every prospect they want or need. But…. Our coaching staff has already addressed some needs with the current set of commits (including the defensive line) and more big announcements will happen. I think, on Feb 3, it's going to be a exceptional class coming in.
As for the bashing of the coaching staff, I just can't agree. Lose 2 of your best cornerbacks, and still win the Pac-10 title and a BCS bowl berth? With a very young team that wasn't expected to do anything? Have writers excited enough about the team that early polls for next season have the Ducks as high as #2 in the nation? What more could you possibly want? Sit back and enjoy it. This past season was one of the greatest in Duck history, and I expect the next one to be, as well.
luckaduck, Southern Oregon
Couldn't agree with you more Duck Jersey. Sit back, relax, and mark down February 3, as the day the duck football program took an upward turn
jerrell gordon & troy boyland look like two good under the radar big bodied DTs that have oregon high on their list but no offer. Anyone know anything about these guys?
RevFabulous, Junction City
Wouldn't it be great if, in the end, King came to South Eugene because of it's Academic rep, and went to Cal for the same reason?
All we heard about when he moved to Eugene was how Phil Knight was buying more help for Oregon… yada yada yada…
Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
I also wonder, if the Ducks haven't cost themselves in some small way with top 5 kids like Owa, because they've ceded in-state recruiting to OSU or even Boise state for 2 and 3 star kids. Don't know, but if the Ducks had a history of local kids becoming stars, maybe there'd be more of an advantage.
Mike Walter, mentioned above, Chris Miller; Sheldon guys who made it big under Rich Brooks. Alex Brink and Jordan Johnson; Sheldon guys who didn't get a sniff from Oregon.
Oh well. Bellotti and Chip both have several more Pac-10 wins then I do, so…
Dave Andrieu, Salem
It appears that many Husker fans are creating a much more positive image of Nebraska for Owa on the Portland Tribune blog than Duck fans are doing on this blog.
Click on the link and read some of the comments to see how fans of a school can make posts to positively influence a recruit.
Dave Andrieu, Salem
Alex Brink wasn't offered a scholarship by either Oregon or Oregon State.
He was offered by Boise State but turned them down for Washington State.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Alex-Brink-11378Jordy Johnson wasn't offered a scholarship by Oregon, Oregon State or Boise State. He had offers from Air Force, Army, Montana and Portland State. He chose Montana.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/army/football/recruiting/player-Jordy-Johnson-94509Evidently, both Oregon and Oregon State ceded these fine athletes to out of state programs.
Dave Andrieu…you saying we don't know how to woo recruits on this blog? Come on…we even have people dedicating time to websites for our recruiting luster…no…wait…that was a fire our coach website put together by a fan…we sure know how to lure the big ones guys…
WHAT THE HECK IS THAT ABOUT???? Hey! come to our school! But we want to fire our coach! Lets just go post that website on all the recruiting websites and see how the recruits start flowing in…
Dave Andrieu, Salem
Here's an example of the "poor" coaching that athletes get when they are coached in Nick Aliotti's defense.
Note that this guy was a 1* recruit that committed to Oregon on 07/05/2007 (five months after LOI day). He was recruited as a WR and started his Sophomore year at Rover.
Contrary to the opinions expressed by some of his detractors, it does indeed appear that Coach Aliotti and his staff do indeed know how to recognize and develop talent.
If we don't get all of those 4 and 5 star recruits (like Owa) that everyone in drooling over, we may just have to settle for some project like Javes Lewis or Igor Olshansky.
BK, Greenfield
I think we should should change the name of this blog to "The Stepford Duck Blog." We'll all be required to stick to our scripts about how bright and cheerful we all feel about our peachy keen D coordinator. Don't say how we can't seem to land the big one on the defensive line, by golly, he probably wouldn't have played nice with the other fellas anyways. We're better off without em!
Every blog will be written just right, in case a recruit were to read it. You all know we're the only school that doesn't follow the stepford script, and think happy thoughts about our guys. No sir, no Debbie downers around here!
No more words like that F word either. You know "freakin" as they might think we have potty mouths too, their mom could be reading!
For gosh sakes fella, what were you thinking.So think positive, happy thoughts and gosh darnit, stay positive and all those recruits will start pouring in. You'll see.
diego duck
BK. You may be onto something, here. But you forgot the power of prayer along with the happy thoughts. And how about a little censorship to ensure we all speak with one voice….one great big Quaaaak!
It's all good. Let's all fluff it up and waddle in step.
What's a recruit not to like? Except maybe a few DL's. But that 's cool, we'll make out. Hell, we won't even need this blog.
Kelly, Spokane
Folks, and BK especially. It amazes me how you constantly call for the defensive coordinator to be fired .... then wonder why top defensive players might not want to come to Oregon.
Geez, lemme think, spose there could be a connection?
Think of it, if you were considering here and Nebraska, and you read all this lemony toxic spew, wouldn't you find the friendly and optimistic comments by the Nebraska fans (see the posts on Oregonlive for contrast) more of a draw? Anyone would, especially 17 year old boys wanting to fit in somewhere.
Why its dumb: All this negativity accomplishes nothing. Nothing. Coaches don't read these blogs. They are too busy working 15 hour days. Mike B doesn't read them either. So whining accomplishes nothing to remove this coach. Nothing. Its just dumb. Pointlessly dumb.
All the negative crap (and that's what it is) on this blog does nothing but run down the team and defense ... to those who do read it… the recruits.
This blog is not your own personal gripe soapbox. You people are hurting the program with all this negativity. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
If we lose out on stellar defensive players, its not Nick's fault. He is trying to attract them You guys are making his job harder.
So please knock it off -
Seabass, Oregon
Kelly #35, well said. I am holding out hope for heimuli from Utah, but if he doesn't choose Oregon then I will be happy with the young men we do get. That said, I don't think it is an issue with talent as much as size. I see all of these schools that are dominant on defense and they have great 300lb DT's. I hope that we are able to get some heavyweights and I am excited about our young men who redshirted last season.
Stephen, Oregon
If we don't win the NC for the 2010 season, it will be a longggg time until the opportunity comes up again. Settling for mediocrity is the M.O. for some people their entire lives.
Jerry, The Land of Bowerman
Kelly, Seabass—well put.
You know, one thing I notice. Those "elite" programs with those "big" DT's still blitz their Linebackers and corners, just like Oregon does. Is that because their big DL aren't getting enough pressure on the QB?
Also, I notice the Duck coaches invite prospective recruits to the games (and campus) at Autzen, and probably don't tell them to read the blogs about the Ducks. Any recruit who would base a decision about a university on any blog probably isn't someone I'd like to see in the Duck program.
I would also tell them their odds of making it to the NFL, and being there for more than 5 years, are not in their favor, regardless of which univerisity they choose, so they should look beyond the immediate horizon and consider their future.
Stephen, #81, I'm glad to know you can see the future of Duck football so clearly. What will our record be at the end of the 2010 season? Who do you think we'll be playing in the NC game?
I look forward to you future posts.
Patty, spring valley
From a mom of one of the new d-line men on the ducks team. You guys are worse than a bunch of women sitting around husband bashing. From what I know the heart of a player is better than how many stars you guys put behind his name. If you have a team where all are giving a 110% for the team is better than a Team of 5 star player all looking to make a name for themselves. Grow up
FluffyDuck, NYC
Kelly, I agree with your post. I don't understand why many people here think that recruits and team family members don't look at these blogs. Of course they do. Wouldn't you?!
I've read the Nebraska posts to Owa, too. Almost looks like a planned campaign to get the kid to go there. They seem to understand that they have limited local talent and that it takes a lot to draw a kid to the Great Plains to go to college. Their tradition is the one advantage they have, and they get that being nice and complimentary makes people feel good.
In my opinion, we seem to have a lot of fans on this blog that think that the Ducks are Oregon's pro team, and they treat it as such. They seem to think that Phil can buy a National Championship, just like Dan Snyder, and that the team owes it to them in return for their financial support, and that anyone who would "settle" for anything less is a loser. They criticize coaches and players at will, because they can and they want to and nobody can stop them and they are only speaking the truth and anyone that can't see it or doesn't agree is blind. They don't get that maybe their words aren't helping anything, and that it doesn't really matter what they think (because this ISN'T Oregon's pro team). But, you know what? They probably never will. So our posts are just as pointless as theirs are. Oh, well. Go Ducks!
DJ, N. Marion
Patty- Delivers the smack-down comment of the day!
I love it. Thanks for your perspective and humor…and I think you'll find a lot of the bloggers here agree with your assertion regarding heart over stars.
Also, please understand, that all of us 'husband bashers' are just people who are passionate about Duck football. I used to have other hobbies like kayaking, climbing, and mountain biking…but those things were just so…I don't know…outdoorsy. So much better to fixate on my ducks from behind a keyboard. :-)
If his heart is 6'4", 295lbs with sub 5.0 40 I'm with ya Patty.
diego duck
Patty: Please don't take many of the comments here personally. None could be intended as comments against ANY Duck athlete, whose dedication and spirit has brought glory to Oregon.
We're at the end of the season of insanity called recruitment. It tends to bring out the worst of fans who ordinarily would be considerably more civil. There certainly is no excuse for excessive, abusive posts that simply provide an avenue for pent up frustration.
At it's best, this forum provides a venue for the reasoned, expression of opinion in civil exchange, even if it sometimes brings criticism of some aspect of offense, defense and recruitment. But at all times it should be civil, while leaving room for debate. It seldom, if ever, engages in the denigration of any athlete.
You must be very proud of your son. And even not knowing his name or position, I can tell you that I, and 100% of the posters here are equally proud of him as well. After all, and after the petty bickering is done, we are all of the same Oregon Duck family and would defend it against any challenges. Even the hillbilly part of the family would.
I wish nothing but success for your son and for you and your family.
BK The Terrible, Greenfield
OK, so it is now my fault that we are not getting the DL recruits. You all are good! The spin Doctor's are in the house! I've got to hand it to you, I have heard a lot in my day, but that has to be in the top 10 load of BS I have ever heard!
I'll tell you what, since Nick, sure as hell, won't shoulder any responsibility regarding his D, you can go ahead and blame me.
I have to tell you though, you are wasting your true talent. Really good spin Doctors are hard to come by, you should be in Washington DC spinning health care!
Terrysheldon, Eugene
Stephen: Huh? Who is settling for mediocracy? Are you preaching to people who actually have influence on the Duck program, like coaches who recruit and teach? How about the passionate fans who sell out Autzen every time and yell their guts out. Not following you, buddy.
Patty: Thanks for the comment. I'm right with you. Stars are not ultimately important compared to heart. But as DJ said, we are at heart just fans who want the best for our program. Please excuse us if we get a bit too dramatic. Welcome to the Duck family.
Patty, spring valley
Dramatic is an understatement. They have been enlighting, entertaining and very educational to a newbie to college football. i will grow a thicker skin when it comes to my sons name being mentioned.
Go ducks
Dave Andrieu, Salem
Congratulations for your son winning the defensive scout team award at team's postseason banquet. He is indeed an example of a player playing with much heart. He must get that from you!
Duck4cuver, Tall Grass
Diego- You have it right compadre. But I would just add that rather than criticizing people for their opinions we should factually dispute the opinion and not just emotionally attack the person. There is too much of the latter and not enough of the former in this country. Nearly all who post do so because they care.
I'm not happy with MB's decision about EK (I think he should decide now) but that's his job, not mine, to make. All of these recruiting choices and efforts are thought out by the people hired to make those decisions and they are made in the context of a grand plan (one would assume) that embodies such things as their view of potential, character, inclination, fit physically and chemistry, etc. You wind some and lose some and come back and do it again.
For me the real question is whether the program is building? I think that is a definite yes. USC and others didn't become recruiting powerhouses over night and don't stay that way forever. All things change and these kids make decisions with their own set of parameters that may or may not mesh with the school.
So we can wring our hands and gnash out teeth but que sera sera for now. Regarding Alioti I am willing to leave that to the guy who took this team unexpectedly to the Rose Bowl with these guys (team and coaches). And I will leave it to him to make the most of what we get while planning to do even better next year.
Going Qwackers, PDX
Patty- I wholeheartedly thank you for your comments. Please don't take ANY of the comments in the blogs personally. Us Ducks are like family- when we criticize it is out of love. Except them hillbillies of course! :)
Deputy, Eugene, Oregon
Patty I'm with you girl, some of these guys act like they didn't get what they wanted for Chrismas so they want to fire someone! I don't know whether it's the rain, the events of last weekend, or the lack of a love life!!!! Clearly there is something missing girl. I will take heart over attitude any day. Maybe they will come back to earth after Feb 3rd.
Spike, PDX
"Settling for mediocrity."
If you find yourself typing such things here, you need not one but two long stretches of intensive psychotherapy.
What mediocrity? Is your definition of "mediocrity" winning the Pac-Ten by two full games?
Likewise, what in the world does "settling" have to do with anything happening in Duck football? Nobody is doing anything but giving 100 percent. And for a fan to talk about "settling" says a ton about that fan's sense of spoiled entitlement.
Grow up.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
Patty, great point about "Stars behind their names." I couldn't agree with you more. This is what has impressed me most about Oregon and thier ability to find the "Diamonds in the rough."
The problem is, the defensive players are not being put in position to have the most success. These young men play and work their tails off in order to become the best they can be. Then they have some idiot coach tell them to play soft zone coverage on 3rd and 2.
I love my Ducks, and they have some great talent. But if they want to be able to get some of the "Elite" talent to come to Eugene, they need a DC that knows what he's doing. Nick truly doesn't.
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FluffyDuck, NYC
Thanks for being part of the Ducks family, Patty. We all truly love our Ducks, and most of us feel community with the other posters here, even when we disagree. While we sometimes get out of line on this blog, it's the best comment area you'll find on the internet regarding the team. Most other sites are just vile playgrounds for mean-spirited children; I can't even stand to read them, and I don't have nearly the emotional connection that you do. But if you decide to visit here often, you'll inevitably read some things you'd rather not have read. For your own peace of mind, you might be better off sticking with the printed news and avoiding the anonymous and lawless world of online comments.
Patty, spring valley
I am married to a coach and my son plays football. What more can I say. I have just about heard it all. What i have learned is you have to take for what it is, an opinion and everybody has got one. But I do love the debates you guys have.
DJ, N. Marion
Have to agree with Fluffy-
"While we sometimes get out of line on this blog, it's the best comment area you'll find on the internet regarding the team."
The thing I love about this blog is people's ability to discuss topics in a mostly, civil manner. I actually learn a lot from many of the bloggers here, and it is a normally fun community. I don't enter comments on any other blog because the lack of integrity and intelligence is dumbfounding.
Patty, I'm glad that you're here now and enjoying the debates. It keeps me coming back several times a day.
I love my Ducks!
Spike, PDX
Seastrunk supposed to announce soon. If he does not go with the Ducks it will be a huge surprise, and the Nick bashers will be out in force accusing everyone of mediocrity.
You can tell who the real fans are.
BK, Greenfield
We are set at running back for quite a while. It will be a great year for our offense regarding recruiting. Those coaches did and have been doing a great job.
Are you trying to soften the blow in case he goes elsewhere? I couldn't blame him if he did. I don't think there is a 5* running back out there that after seeing LJ this past year could think for a minute that he would start next year if LJ stays healthy.
You do understand that Nick is the D coordinator, right? I don't see why anyone would blame him if this kid goes elsewhere. You're a true fan though Spike, good job!
Terrysheldon, Eugene
Patty: I also want to add that it would be great to have your voice here as well, if you can stomach the occasional stupidity, grandstanding, self-righteousness and exaggerations (mine included, folks). We seem to be, as a group, mostly made up of male fans. Age seems to be spread out, some who have played the organized game, but I am guessing most who have not. Not many women, and most likely no Moms of Oregon athletes so far. As such, perhaps you can see how we can get a bit out on the fringes at times.
Anyway, your perspective is absolutely appreciated and desired. Keep 'em coming and we'll try to behave ourselves.
Patty, your husband is a coach? Well then I am sure that you know that often its the parents that are the biggest problem. (Why doesn't my Johnny play more?) Here, the comments are kind of like that sometimes. They exhibit a range of views, from knowledge to shocking ignorance, and people often use this blog to vent frustrations.
Just like those problem parents every coach has to deal with.As a coach's wife, I suspect that you find it very strange for some to call for the head of a defensive coordinator where the D loses two starting CBs and a big hitting safety for much of the year, has basically 9 underclassmen playing all season, (three freshmen), and finishes first by two games in the Pac 10 (which has not been done in a while). Especially since the defense saved the first third of our season until the offense got going. But there is just no pleasing some people.
Glad to see your posts. You show such grace and respect. Sets a good example for all on here.
Patty, spring valley
As a coaches wife and mom of a dline player. You have to earn the job before you can get it. You give 100% you get 100%. I hope this is what my son has learned. Got to admit I am partial to the dline. Big props to the Ducks for a great season and many more to come.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
So what has been N.A.'s excuse for the last decade? He had Jarius, Patrick, T.J., and Walter all of last season, and they finished 104th in passing defense, 93rd in passing defense, and 89th in total defense last year. He's averaged 51st in total defense and 61st in scoring defense this decade. In the meantime, Oregon has sent on average 4 players from the defense to the NFL. All that talent N.A. has had, and he has never done anything with it. If he was some juggernaut recruiter I could understand keeping him.
2010 class has 19 kids at this time, Allow-a-lotti was only a part of one recruit.
2009 class had 26, N.A. was appart of 3, only recruiting one himself.
2008 class had 23, N.A. was appart of 3.
Are we seeing a trend here? Others recruit his athletes for him, and he doesn't put them in a position to succeed.Spike,
Oregon gets great talent on offense, has for some time. The reason for that is becuase they know they'll get to showcase their talents, unlike the could on defense. BTW, L.S. is a Duck! -
diego duck
Not for one minute do any of us intend to impugn the efforts of our Duck athletes. But it is precisely because we passionately want excellence and success on our program that we hold opinions that we need to express, and WILL express regardless of pom poms, cheerleading and claims of disloyalty, dissuading recruits, etc. etc. etc.
I'll stand up, in a heartbeat, for BK to express the same frustrations I have with our DC. But I challenge anyone to please explain why our fortunes still depend on a dominant offense. Over time I've heard from David and others it's because we score too quickly, and that we've developed magnificent, NFL athletes such as Ngata and others….in years past who were rocks in our defense.
No one in their right mind quarrels with the success we've had that's brought us to the edge of national acclaim. But what's the missing element? What stepped up in the Rose Bowl to give our less than productive offense more chances, rather than concede 42 minutes to bend but don't break until we've no more time but to break?
Look. We all watched the Bowl Games and especially the BSU game with TCU. Most of weren't even close to giving BSU a chance. But to view, with some amazement, if not genuine approval, the defensive schemes and effort that BSU marshalled was nothing less than inspirational, especially when it counted. And with defensive atheletes nationally ranked lesser than our own.
At Oregon, we've NEVER had the tradition of a dominant defensive program to compliment the offense for years. I'm grateful for the effort, the striving the loyalty the .....nonetheless.
But until we are as dominant on defense as we are on offense we will be like the Texas Longhorns in the NC when our version of Colt goes down and any pretext of championship with it.
OK. If it's not the DC, it's the athletes. And y'all out there just tell me just where we need to change, upgrade….or what the hell…just wave a pom pom, trust in the Lord or Chip or whatever…
If in fact it's the NC you aspire to. If not….well I'm on board with the status quo…
But I'm not and never will be.
This one's for you, BK.
Dave Andrieu, Salem
diego duck,
1. Do you think Chip Kelly wants to win a National Championship?
2. Do you think that he is incapable of evaluating his staff?
From what I have seen, Chip Kelly very much wants to win a National Championship and believes he can do it with the staff he has.
I have difficulty seeing how fans trashing Chip's staff while he and his staff are trying to recruit the best talent available is going to help him achieve his goal. Please explain to me how this constant carping is helping to improve the team.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
What hurts the Ducks recruiting of top tier defensive talent is N.A. Having 4 players at the DB position in 2008 and only managing to muster 89th overall, 93 in scoring defense, and 103rd against the pass is what hurts him.
But by all means, blame the players. That's what N.A. does too. -
Dave Andrieu, Salem
I am pleased to learn that you know so much more about evaluating and putting together a coaching staff than Chip Kelly.
Have you discussed your concerns with Chip Kelly? If so, what did he say?
I seriously doubt that your negative comments regarding Nick Aliotti are helping Chip Kelly and his assistants recruit the talent they need to produce a National Championship team.
You state: "Having 4 players at the DB position in 2008 and only managing to muster 89th overall, 93 in scoring defense, and 103rd against the pass is what hurts him."
1. Shouldn't the 2009 statistics be more relevant to the current status of the Oregon defense than the 2008 statistics?
According to the Official NCAA statistics, Oregon had the following defensive rankings in 2009:
Total Defense - 35
Rushing Defense - 42
Pass Defense - 44
Pass Efficiency Defense - 25
Scoring Defense - 51The corresponding rankings in 2008 were:
Total Defense - 81
Rushing Defense - 23
Pass Defense - 111
Pass Efficiency Defense - 57
Scoring Defense - 81http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=529&year=2008&week=19
Where did you get your statistics figures from?
Where were you during the 2009 season? Didn't you notice the significant improvement in the performance of Nick Aliotti's defense?
Despite the very significant performance by the Defense, the team record only improved from 10-3 with a win in the 2008 Bowl Game to 10-3 with a loss in the 2009 Bowl Game. This doesn't speak very well for the theory that improvements in the defense will lead to improved records. It will take a lot more than firing Nick Aliotti to make Oregon be the 1 in 120 teams to win the National Championship.
Regarding your assertion that the 2008 statistics achieved by Nick Aliotti's Defense are what's hurting the Duck's ability to recruit "top tier" defensive talent, please consider the following:
First, the star ratings of the "players at the DB position in 2008":
T.J. Ward - Walk-on - no star rating
Jairus Bird - 2*
Patrick Chung - 2*
Walter Thurmond III - 3*Now consider the star ratings of the DB's in the two recruiting classes since that disastrous 2008 season:
Cliff Harris - 4*
Brian Jackson - 3*
Avery Patterson - 3*2010:
Troy Hill - 3*
Derrick Malone - 3*
Dior Mathis - 4*
Terrance Mitchell - 3*
James Scales - 3*Note source of star ratings is Rivals:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.aspIt appears to me that the Ducks are recruiting even better talent after the "4 players" had a disastrous season in 2008
Could it be that the two 2* players that went in last years draft were taken in the second round and have performed quite well in the Pros this year? Also, the walk-on player and 3* player are expected to be drafted this year - possibly very high despite very limited playing time this year.
It appears to me that more highly rated DB's are coming to Oregon because they see that Nick Aliotti's defense prepares them for a career at the next level.
The better players are not scared away by poor statistics. In fact, they are attracted by the opportunity to do better. Especially when the players that produced the poor statistics were not as highly regarded as recruits and are getting drafted.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
I got my info from a different source. But you have only made my point stronger. He doesn't recruit but maybe one or two players a year, get nothing out of them due to his terrible coaching, and the NFL takes those players and molds them into juggernauts (Jarius, Haloti, Igor, ect.) He has all that tallent and can't do better.And to act like the defense had anything to do with Oregon's success is, well, foolish.
He has never, and I mean never proved he could stop anyone. It's the players others recruited that have bailed him out by making great plays.
And to act like by my stating the obvious to anyone that understands football is detrimental to recruiting, why is it Oregon is having one their best recruiting classes ever? Why would a defensive player that is a sure 1st round NFL pick go to Oregon when their coach won't put them in the best position to do well? Sure is amazing that Oregon defensive players go on to do great in the NFL, but they couldn't do any better than the top 70 on pass defense while being coached by Allow-a-lotti.
Does 18 minutes of TOP sound familiar? FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP SOMEONE NOW AND THEN! I know, let's play cover-2 on 3rd and 3. Give me a break. -
Dave Andrieu, Salem
You state, "Does 18 minutes of TOP sound familiar? FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP SOMEONE NOW AND THEN! I know, let's play cover-2 on 3rd and 3. Give me a break."
I assume that you are talking about Oregon's time of possession in the Rose Bowl Game - 18:23 minutes.
Don't you think that Oregon would have had a higher time of possession if the Offense had converted more than 2 of 11 third down attempts? The time of possession is the amount of time the Offense has the ball. Obviously, Nick Aliotti needs to be fired because the Offense failed to convert third downs.
I find it very commendable that Nick Aliotti's Defense held Ohio State's Offense to 26 points in 41:37 minutes.
You should call Chip Kelly and let him know what he is missing in his evaluation of Nick. I am sure that he is eager to hear from you.
Chip doesn't waste time reading these blogs, so it is very unlikely that he will learn your pearls of wisdom unless you call him.
By the way, he will be at a recruiting dinner in Salem next Thursday. You are welcome to come and let him know what you think at that event.
BK, Greenfield
Are you CK's personal assistant? I figured out what it is about you.
You are that name dropping butt smoocher. You know, the one with his big brother standing behind him while he talks smack to another kid. How would you know what blogs CK reads, man you irritate me. -
BK, Greenfield
Dave knows stats, wouldn't argue with him over stats, but he has ZERO common sense, and no backbone, heart or fire. I wonder if he blindly defended Gary Crowton while here, then talked smack after he left. That's what would happen if NA left. The very next season would be much improved and folks would say, wow, it was Nick after all.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
I would love to come down and talk to him, believe me. But I'd doubt I could tell him anything he doesn't know.And if you knew anything about football, which you obviously don't, you'd know that a defense is there to stop the other team know and then. Oregon can't win a game unless it scores in the 30's at least. A team shouldn't be forced to do that every game.
I can see you are a fan of N.A., and good for you. So do you like how Wazzu has been playing? After all, they can't score or stop anyone.
As much as it pains me to say this, and it does, look at what happened to the Dawgs this last year. They showed a huge improvment on both sides of the ball, particularly on defense. What was the diference? COACHING!
What kind of fool blames the offense for only having the ball for 18 minutes when they amassed 260 yards of offense. Did they make some mistakes, of course they did. But why should they have to get 500 yards every game to win? It's obvious to me and everyone else you know nothing of football.
Dave Andrieu, Salem
I am very impressed with your vast knowledge of football. I must admit that I did not know that if the Offense converts only 2 of 11 attempts that it is the Defensive Coordinators fault. I guess one can learn something new every day.
I am also impressed with your observations regarding the Dawgs Defensive Coordinator. Maybe we should hire him and give Nick Aliotti the boot. He does have an impressive Bio.
http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/holt_nick00.htmlYou stated: "As much as it pains me to say this, and it does, look at what happened to the Dawgs this last year. They showed a huge improvment on both sides of the ball, particularly on defense. What was the diference? COACHING!"
I took the liberty to compare the impressive statistical rankings of your hero, Nick Holt's, 2009 Washington Defense with the statistical rankings of Nick Aliotti's 2009 and 2008 defenses.
First Nick Holt's Great 2009 Washington Defense:
Total Defense - 79
Rushing Defense - 64
Pass Defense - 93
Pass Efficiency Defense - 99
Scoring Defense - 70Nick Aliotti's 2009 Oregon Defense:
Total Defense - 35
Rushing Defense - 42
Pass Defense - 44
Pass Efficiency Defense - 25
Scoring Defense - 51Nick Aliotti's Horrible 2008 Oregon Defense:
Total Defense - 81
Rushing Defense - 23
Pass Defense - 111
Pass Efficiency Defense - 57
Scoring Defense - 77Now, I know that I have no where the knowledge of football that you do, but it appears to me that Nick Aliotti's Horrible 2008 Defense is not significantly worse than Nick Holt's Great 2009 Defense. In fact, appears that Nick Aliott's Rushing Defense and Pass Efficiency Defense are significantly better than Nick Holt's, The other three categories are only marginally worse.
Also, it appears to me that Nick Aliotti's 2009 Defense is so much better than Nick Holt's 2009 Defense that it is indeed laughable.
I am not jumping on your bandwagon. I'll just keep Nick Aliotti instead of swapping him for your hero - Nick Holt.
Patty, spring valley
You go Dave
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
It's becoming more clear you know even less than I gave you credit for. A great year for allow-a-lotti is 35th? Holt just took over as the DC in Wash, N.A. has been around for about 20 years. The difference is, the dawgs improved under Holt. What has Oregon done under N.A.? Not to mention the talent level of Oregon is far better than the dawgs.So keep bringing up invalid and obviously poor logic. You think it's ok to give up more points than 1/2 to 3/4 of college football teams, that's ok. After all, why should a major college football program want to win NC's? Let's just play shootouts with every team out there. The hell with slowing someone down, it's overrated. Right?
4 of the starting DB's from Oregon will start in the NFL, and
Total Defense - 81
Rushing Defense - 23
Pass Defense - 111
Pass Efficiency Defense - 57
Scoring Defense - 77
is ok with you? Fool. -
Terrysheldon, Eugene
Just a reminder to all forward thinking individuals: Take in all the facts, look at the big picture, then make an honest assessment about something. Wrong way: start out with an assumption based on your frustrations then go and try to prove it.
Before you jump to conclusions about my lean here, I am somewhere in the middle of the NA issue. Facts can be deceiving both ways and I know the frustrations with the defense are real, but just be careful with statistics. Also look for trends, other factors, and again, the big picture.
What it ultimately comes down to for me is, can't we trust Kelly to do the right thing? He let go of two assistants right after he got the job. The results were a much improved defense this year, even with underclassmen. Does anyone really think he would put his predecessor's relationship with NA over his desire to win? It is ultimately his neck on the line.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
I don't know if Kelly would or not. But since his boss is buddies with allow-a-lotti, it could turn into a bad situation for him. -
Terrysheldon, Eugene
fusky: You know, I just don't buy that he would sell himself down the river like that. Coaching is a crazy business (ask Ernie Kent) and they love you one minute and hate you the next. At the end of the day, he's got to be thinking wins and being around for another year, not as much personal "loyalty".
By the way, I think it would help if you ditched the name calling. Like the job he is doing or not, he is a devoted professional, and a Duck like you and me. He deserves our respect.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
Respect is not given, it is earned. I have no doubt he is a good guy, but I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he's done anything to keep his job. He doesn't recruit, and he sure doesn't game plan for squat.I love the Ducks. I want them to be a national power. But unless they get rid of a guy that can't stop molasses from going uphill, it will never happen.
The fans deserve it, the state deserves it, and the players have done everything they could have to earn it.
Terrysheldon, Eugene
No actually, showing up for 20 years on a job as a professional, working your tail off with long days and nights, pouring out your heart and soul to bring along 19 year old men should get anyone's respect. Being a arm chair quarterback blogger, not so much, if you get my drift (including myself in that statement).
Besides, this is a space for debating, not mimicking the Jerry Springer show. With all due respect to your point of view about NA, fusky, we all need to respect each other on this blog. Have you been on OregonLive? It's reprehensible.
And he doesn't recruit? Where are you getting that information, or did you just make it up? His name is on Rivals and the other sites all the time for our defensive line guys.
Again, disagree with the job he is doing if you want, but keeping it civil only helps your cred.
fuskyhucker25, La Pine, OR
Many people work hard, it doesn't mean they should have a high end position, right?And if you look at the kids being recruited, he only recruits 1-2 guys a year himself. He has been a part of others, but only a few has he gone out to get himself. It's not my opinion, it's rivals and scouts saying this.
And I didn't give N.A. that nickname, it's been around for years. That he has earned.
And you're right about O-live. We Oregon fans can disagree on things, just as anyone can. But who in their right mind makes and argument about how good a coach is by giving stats that show the opposite? Just seems silly to me.
Anyway, GO DUCKS!!!


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