text: Voice of ReasonAnd why did Floyd settle out of court rather than have his USADA's records made public? he who accuses usually has the most to hide. Notice how quiet he is now on the PEDS issues concerning Manny. No way he will ever accuse another boxer for fear of again being asked for his own records. J Posted August 29, 2013 9:43 amRichDumbo…I knew you wasn't all bad and would eventually come round….thank you for the invite and I will come correctly,is it a barbecue…You are certainly right I do wish to avoid having my arse turned into a dartboard,and thank you for your concern…But in turn to solidify your attempt to make friends…when you say "no rest for the drooling and stupid" well force yourself to rest………But I must say Dumbo when you said I'm not done with either of you by a long shot…I was over come with emotion,to think someone I had thought was lower than a skunks arse could show such affection ……Deeply moving attempt to start a friendship Posted August 29, 2013 4:23 amRichYour heroes also spat on him when he was being carried out……If that is racial perhaps you should complain to all the main newspapers who reported it……He didn't deduct a point because it was not warranted,unlike Clements "gift" which was ….You can't score rounds with any authority Dumbo you are just not qualified ,you are an amateur,you said as much yourself "I'm just a fight fan" remember….Now your over elevated sense of importance concludes that you can dissect any fight with Marq in and turn it with false information to your advantage. Why don't you and Marq(who probably doesn't know you exist) toast each other with whatever that concoction is and drink deeply…bottoms up!!!!! Posted August 29, 2013 3:34 amRichTUMBO….I suppose it's not difficult to understand why Pacq didn't want to fight in front of Mexican fans….Considering how you and your country men conduct yourself with such sterling sportsmanship…I well recall the night Johnny Owen was knocked unconscious by Lupe Pintor and those brave Mexican supporters took their opportunity to throw urine over his stricken body and not to mention members of his entourage who had their pockets picked…….Yes I suppose that would put a person off a wonderful bunch of fans like that…….Do all Mexicans drink urine…. Posted August 28, 2013 2:02 pmThe Voice of ReasonCorrection! Floyd did not request PEDS testing! He flat out accused Manny of being on PEDS and was on record many times of saying it. He was on ESPN and other channels saying Manny is not his own man and he does not want to fight him. If he wants me, just say it and we will get it on. The moment Manny heard it he went on Filipino TV and called out Floyd. RichTUMBO ……..All crap…all day long…. Posted August 28, 2013 6:26 amRichYour just blowing smoke out your arse with that "what 5 rounds did I score"…your know what I'm talking about,if Clements had scored the first round correct Pacq would have won by s/d….but he goofed,and apologized after saying he "DROPPED THE BALL"but it was still a gift for Marq…But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to acknowledge it.Your rants on here no longer resemble a discussion,you are beginning to sound hysterical and you will stoop to any level to win an argument, like that pathetic excuse for why you say that cringing "Viva Marquez"…..Take a bit more sugar when you drink what Marq has left over….you might then not sound so bitter….. Posted August 28, 2013 3:24 amte tumboLet's review: • Even with a 10-6 first round, Pacquiao* would still need to bank an additional 4 rounds to prevail on the scorecards. To this day, NObody has been able to identify which 5 rounds they scored for Pacquiao* to grant him the scorecard nod. All FactS, All Day Long. Posted August 27, 2013 8:44 pmte tumboRICH, "Viva Marquez" is a common cheer and rallying cry among Mexicans. it can be applied to everything from a national figure to your favorite beer. moreover, it follows "the rivalry is OVER. Marquez is Greater". it's the perfect cheer to conclude a post directed at Pacquiao* fanboys. in fact, if it makes you feel any better: Mabuhay ang Marquez! Posted August 27, 2013 8:06 pmte tumbo"Yes, Marquez said he has nothing to hide but what is happening now that Bradley wants VADA and not USADA testing?" why change the subject with after-the-fact developments? they're both harmless, aren't they? Wtf does Pacquiao* have to hide? "And speaking of USADA and testing; why does . . . Floyd alsways insist on USADA?" that's irrelevant because it still doesn't excuse Pacquiao* for being the ONLY fighter to decline MUTUALLY-Applied testing of any kind. you keep forming these "factual" conclusions based on pure speculation and conspiracy theories without any solid evidence besides your irrational hatred of Floyd(?!). "Marquez is running from Manny and the whole world knows it". what the whole world knows is that after being utterly FLATTENED, Pacquiao* is still trying to dictate terms to the Man who turned his lights out(?!). Maquez swallowed his pride for Eight (8) F'n Years to make the fights v. Pacquiao* happen, e.g., $3 million to Pacquiao's* $30 million for IV!? moreover, Pacquiao* is not only trying to dictate purse-splits, he also wants to determine location!? Marquez KTFO of Pacquiao* NOT the other way around. it's no wonder that Marquez feels disrespected and no wonder that true fight-fans like myself Agree that Manny* doesn't Reeeally want a 5th bout v. Marquez. after all, he still doesn't recall the punches that planted him on his ass and unplugged him from consciousness in their last bout. that kind of experience will wreak havoc on a fighter's confidence and Pacquiao's* confidence v. Marquez has never been particularly high. Btw, notice how i don't accuse Pacquiao* of juciing or cheating. only of using his promotional clout to handpick opponents and dictate every condition from purse-split, glove size, location, and ring-size to unfairly tilt the playing-field in his favor. that's not integrity. that's smoke and mirrors. You and Rich seem to be the last ones who haven't noticed the old man behind the curtain pushing buttons and pulling levers to create the Oz-like spectacle that continues to hold you both spellbound. consequently, you sound like little more than celebrity-smitten promotional shills. i never thought i'd see the day when two(?!?) posters would vouch for the integrity of Arum's promotional antics but just look at you two go and NO. you can not separate Pacquiao's* "success" from Arum's cynical and calculating promotional dealings. that says it All. Posted August 27, 2013 8:01 pmte tumbo"the facts remain Marq was gifted the first fight and its on record". the FACT is that even with a 10-6 first round across the board, Pacquiao* still needed to bank four additional rounds to prevail on the scorecards. my BOXING-related challenge to you is to please identify the 5 rounds you scored for Pacquiao* in that fight? as adamant as you are, it should be a simple task. Btw, you seem to have a hyper-elevated sense of MYself but i'm just a fight-fan. qualifications? ante-up to watch fights live on cable or in person. That's It. in that context, my credentials and right to comment on fights and pundits as I see fit are beyond reproach. Posted August 27, 2013 7:44 pmThe Voice of ReasonRich, it is a waste of type dialoguing with people with Tu Tumbo. He is a somehwat knowledgeable boxing fan but he goes out of his way to make a boxer he does not like look really bad. I think Floyd and Marquez are great and so is Manny but he will never admit that. Posted August 27, 2013 4:59 pmRichIncidentally Tumbo you seem content to label me a Pacq fan boy,but you must be some kinda hypocrite when you repeatedly sign off with "Viva Marquez"would that put you in the fan boy club as well…. Posted August 27, 2013 9:52 amThe Voice of ReasonTe tumbo, admit it. You hate Manny and will distort anything and everything to make him look bad. Yes, Marquez said he has nothing to hide but what is happening now that Bradley wants VADA and not USADA testing? Can I hear you? And speaking of USADA and testing; why does your programmer/master Floyd alsways insist on USADA? Why does he take so much time off and then comes back demanding testing? RichTUMBO….you also are a prime example…..of a Pacq hater who will manipulate the facts to suit your own posts. Your irrational take on Pacq bolting from negotiations is your own fanciful interpretations…I have nothing to prove to you,you are irrelevant, it is widely known the contempt and hate you hold for Pacq and his achievements and it festers to the surface every time you write about him..You assume, wrongly, that you know about boxing and I don't…But the facts remain Marq was gifted the first fight and its on record, if you new anything about boxing and I think you do you would not question this fact…..Fortunately I don't read all you posts on here,as I find your opinions vulgar,and incorrect,… Posted August 27, 2013 3:23 amte tumboVOICE, all "DINAMITA" did was KTFO of a fellow pumped-up featherweight. what's the big deal? he KTFO of the Juan Diaz that Pacquiao* ducked and he was a full-fledged lightweight that had never even been decked before. see how easy it is for me to shoot down your bias with nothing more than documented boxing facts? otherwise, i dare you to refute a single letter of what i just posted. Btw, Marquez publicly challenged Pacquiao* to stricter testing ("I'll take any test, any time. I've got nothing to hide"). Pacquiao* declined. consequently, the worst you can say about Marquez is that he's no cleaner or dirtier than Pacquiao*. real fight-fans are not going to rewrite documented history just to suit the butt-hurt feelings of Pacquiao's* fanboys. it's In The Books. the rivalry is OVER. Marquez is Greater. Viva Marquez! Posted August 26, 2013 8:49 pmte tumboRICH, you are a prime example of a Pacquiao*-worshipping fanboy. otherwise, the details of Pacquiao* literally bolting from negotiations with Marquez to confirm a bout v. Morales instead are a matter of public record. in fact, i've related them below and you've done nothing to refute my account and instead repeat the same ignorant question. you need to learn how the fight-game works before you post and remove all doubt that you really have no idea. Posted August 26, 2013 8:44 pmThe Voice of ReasonRich, you are dead on. But our self proclaimed greatest thinks he is the best. Ali was better than Norton but had issues with him. He lost to Jimmy Young but was light years better than him. I have never said Marquez was juicing but the evidence looks damning. He has never knocked Manny down but suddenly at age 38-39 he looks like a cartoon muscle bound man and hits harder with one shot than he ever has in his life. And ko's Manny like that so he is suddenly better. RichWhy didn't Marq take a rematch with Pacq after the first fight, well he was actually gifted with a draw and he knew it,so rather than take the rematch he thought he would take an easy mark with Chris,but after he lost it put him at the back of the queue,so he had to wait his turn…..Pacq had bigger paying fights in the offing …..So why not…Marq had his chance and blew it…. Posted August 26, 2013 2:24 pmte tumboyour post of "Because Manny had issues with Marquez . . . Marquez is not better than Manny " says it all. Marquez literally FLATTENS Pacquiao* and knocks him of the P4P lists of your precious "experts" and you continue to scratch your head wondering whose better? . . . (LoL) . . . NEXT? Posted August 26, 2013 11:50 amte tumboVOICE, i'm a fight-fan and i have no obligation to be "right" even though i usually am and just for the fun of it. not because of any self-proclaimed status of being an "expert" who is frequently beholden to fighters and promoters to make sure they continue to be granted access. you're satisfied to be lead and informed by these "experts" while i prefer to trust my own instincts and experience with following the sport. IMO, the likes of Clancy, Tarver, and Malignaggi mostly call fights correctly and i don't need or want any "expert" or paid shill to endorse MY opinion. some people follow the sport, others follow celebrity. i include myself among the former and you're welcome to fuel the latter. however, it's got nothing to do with Boxing as much as it does with marketing and profits, which isn't my concern or problem. I've got more important things to worry about than how much money DLH or Arum will make in their next fight-card or whether Pacquiao* or Mayweather will be my friend. Posted August 26, 2013 11:46 amThe Voice of ReasonTe Tumbo it seems that you and you alone know it all. I hereby declare that you are the greatest and most knowledgeable boxing person ever. Why? because you seem to think so and I am not wasting my time with this issue anymore. You feel Manny is a hype job and is dangerous but not great. I feel he is both dabgerous and great. The experts that you do not respect also feel that way. I am sure 99% of all people who follow boxing would agree with the experts because you despite your high opinion of yourself, have only you as the one person who shares that opinion. This in just like the saying anyone who defends himself in a court of law has a fool for a lawyer. AdrianSquared – thanks bro !i Love reading your post and I agree with most of your opinions. Posted August 26, 2013 2:19 amte tumbo"Morales had three fights with Barrera and all three could have gone the other way" Utter BullS**t. giving Morales anything more than three rounds in their rubbermatch would've been generous. he was soundly and convincingly defeated and not given much chance of defeating Pacquiao*, which he did anyway. that's just Documented Boxing Fact. look it up in Breadman's archive and transport yourself back to the buzz of 8 years ago. it's precisely how this poor, ignorant, and lowly fight-fan described it, i.e., The Truth. not shilling or publicity. i owe neither fighter a Damn Thing. Posted August 25, 2013 6:22 pmte tumboVOICE, that last post was nothing but unsubstantiated spin and gas. "For example, Marquez went to Indonesia to face Chris John for way less money" AFter Pacquiao* bolted from negotiations and confirmed with Morales. coming off a loss. instead of the eagerly-anticipated and red-hot rematch. the fact that ANYbody would even consider justifying this rematch Not Happening(?!?) is inexplicable to me. also, what does the choice of traveling to Indoneisa to face Chris John imply to you? cowardice? fear? IMO, it implies integrity. John was not a soft touch and i'm not Marquez's accountant so i can care less about the size of his bank account. "Marquez is not an attraction to Mexican fans"? think again, amigo. his numbers v. Bradley will either match or exceed Pacquiao's*. meanwhile, perhaps Breadman can explain the rest of your glossy post of omissions, random details, and selected highlights. you sound more like Pacquiao's* publicist than an "expert" or even lowly fight-fan like myself. Btw, what is an "expert"? why hasn't an "expert" ever become independently wealthy off of their picks? and if they can't consistently pick the winners, what is their purpose other than to influence (contaminate) the minds of the sport's fans? the ones who actually pay the bills in obscurity but know what they believe. i don't need an "expert", "historian", or "scholar" to tell me what i watched with my own two eyes. i believe that i can pick the best fighters for the right reasons and nothing else. you can either agree or disagree. as a fight-fan, i don't care, which is the beauty of simply loving the sport for the right reasons. i can assure you that i don't get a cent from any fighter's purse or any promoter's profits but I've contributed plenty, which entitles me to praise or critique the product. Pacquiao* is a very good and dangerous fighter but Not truly elite. Mayweather continues to prove it in bouts v. fighters that Pacquiao* would never even consider (and We BOTH Know It) and Marquez proved it by pulling the plug on Pacquiao's* consciousness for at least a couple of minutes. in the bout to "answer all questions and remove all doubt". I'm Convinced. Marquez and Mayweather are Greater. Posted August 25, 2013 6:18 pmBRUCETHERE ALL ON THE JUICE. Posted August 25, 2013 2:28 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)FACT: A few months ago, both Bradley and JMM were both offered an opportunity to rematch Pacquiao, but both turned down the chance in order to fight each other. I have the evidence to prove it. JMM just released a public statement to the media a few days ago, saying that he will NOT give PacMan a 5th fight — even though Pac wants one after Rios. "Plus Floyd doesn't have apprehension and fear about fighting Pacquiao…" I don't agree with that at all. Why did TEAM FMJ make those baseless, public accusations that PacMan was a PED-head if they weren't apprehensive or fearful about fighting him??? And why did FMJ demand comprehensive over-the-top testing requirements for PacMan that he never demanded for previous opponents or any of his opponents since??? PacMan eventually agreed to the over-the-top testing demands, but then FMJ created more obstacles when he refused a 50-50 split of earnings with Pac. Pacquiao was reportedly offered a flat fee of $40 million, with NO SHARE of the PPV sales. Why no percentage of PPV sales??? FMJ confirmed that a 50-50 split was NOT offered to Pacquiao — even though he deserved it. So, it was actually all the ridiculous drug accusations, testing demands and the financial obstacles that TEAM FMJ created, which prevented the fight from being made. His name "Money" fits him perfectly because he's proven many times that he's by far the greediest money-grubber in boxing. FMJ is even greedier than Bob Arum — and that's saying a lot. Real talk. "Money's" endless GREED that prevented the fight from being made. Posted August 25, 2013 11:22 amThe Voice of BoxingThey are also the same guys who initially were saying he beat guys who were coming off losses which is/was not true if you check the records of those guys. They also called him the catchweight king when he only basically asked for two, go check the records. In addition they said he only fought guys who were shot or old. Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)"Anyway those who claim that PAC dosent deserve a shot now because he lost in his two last fights i am sure are the same ones who said before that PAC must be on "juice" because he is too strong for his weight …lol amazing stuff…" Agree with that, Adrian. Posted August 25, 2013 10:22 amAdrianTark you said "TARK Ortiz and Guerrero got shots at Floyd by beating Berto — when Berto was thought to be a good fighter …" Anyway those who claim that PAC dosent deserve a shot now because he lost in his two last fights i an sure are the same one who said before that PAC must be on "juice"because he is too strong for his weight …lol amazing stuff… Posted August 25, 2013 5:28 amTARKBut the publicity caused by the delay has been good for both of them… At one time they were the 2 highest paid athletes in sports. Posted August 25, 2013 1:47 amTARKPlus Floyd doesn't have apprehension and fear about fighting Pacquiao … If Pac was willing to fight him for a guaranteed minimum of 40-million the fight would have been made. Posted August 25, 2013 1:46 amTARKSquared Circle.., You know Pac beat Tim — I know Pac beat Tim But the way Boxing works it's the opinion of the judges that's final. He wanted to settle the rivalry convincingly by KO … and that's what happened. Posted August 25, 2013 1:43 amSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)Adrian: Good point man! That's exactly the type of B.S. I'm talking about… LOL. Posted August 24, 2013 5:02 pmTARKOrtiz and Guerrero got shots at Floyd by beating Berto — when Berto was thought to be a good fighter … You won't see Soto Karass getting a title shot at Floyd — because that thought is no longer in boxing fans or promoters' minds. The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight never came together although they both wanted it.. First it was the PED testing war.. Then it was the purse-split war.. When everything was finally settled, and an agreement worked out, Pac lost to Bradley — then got KO'd by Marquez. There's those little flies in the ointment that keep ruining the fight. However… I suspect 2014 WILL be the year this fight HAPPENS!!! Posted August 24, 2013 2:00 pmAdrianLol all these post about PAC -mayweather saga and still keep saying "PAC dosent deserve a fight with mayweather but Guerrero does or Ortiz " lol Posted August 24, 2013 4:11 amGonzo the DragonbornEdit> yourself Posted August 23, 2013 11:18 pmturbo hamsterrich if you keep smack talking the vulture I will send a team of r@pe ferrets to your location with orders to rectally annihilate you. Posted August 23, 2013 5:48 pmThe Voice of ReasonTe tumbo, why act that way? The Breadman has forgotten more about boxing than you would ever know. It's people like you who could never comprehend facts. In fact you just proved how ignorarnt you are about boxing. The man gave a point by point example to disprove the myth painted by Floyd and family and on which his floydbots have hung their hats for the past 3-4 years. Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)The Voice of Reason: Thanks man, that's much appreciated! You made several outstanding and informative points about PacMan and his career as well. That's one of the best posts I've seen on ESB in a while. My hat is off to you, sir. Posted August 23, 2013 2:39 pmIt's Me, ErnieRichie-You need to be careful where you tread, we have several HTTV's (Highly Trained Tactical Vultures) posted near you on the ready… Posted August 23, 2013 2:11 pmERECTAMUNDOThe WORLD STILL wants to see Mayweather vs Pacquioa. Posted August 23, 2013 9:09 amERECTAMUNDOFloyd needs to FIGHT Pacquioa. Only Floyd's supporters dont want to see that fight but the WORLD wants to see it happen. Posted August 23, 2013 9:07 amThe Voice of Reason@ Suaqred you have captured what true boxing fans and the experts have been saying about Floyd for years. Although I believe that based on matchups and the ability to adapt, Floyd would have started as the favourite in that fight. I am not sayinge he would definitely win as the favourite is not a guarantee to win. Marquez was not afraid to time Manny and get hit to land his counter punches. Floyd would not do that but because he has the ability to remain poised and adapt to what is front of him, he would be the favourite. I watched his dad vs Leonard many times and the key to breaking down that shoulder roll was the right hand lead and hard shots to the arms, shoulder and body. Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)I have politely refrained from calling you a "FMJ nut-hugger and fanboy" to try and keep the peace. But quite frankly, the tone of some of your comments to me (below) came across as a bit threatening, combative and insulting. We may not agree on FMJ and PacMan issues, so we can agree to disagree without engaging in nonsensical verbal combat. We may not be friends, but you're someone that I considered to be an ally on ESB. Do you remember why? Does the name "Public Enemy" ring a bell? Notice how P.E. and SREDMOND are nowhere to be found on ESB and all the rampant anti-Mexican comments are almost non-existent these days? I played a MAJOR role in those changes, but I'm not asking you to give me an ounce of credit for it. It sort of sounds like you want to end this alliance? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sort of sounds like you want to start some type of feudal rivalry with me — like the one you've had with P.E. and a couple of others? Now I have an EXTREMELY important question for you: Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)te tumbo: -Agree that FMJ is among the ATGs but is NOT thee GOAT. But strongly disagree that Ali is the GOAT, as he would be lucky to crack the top 5 on my list. Gonzo the DragonbornWill Posted August 23, 2013 2:26 amGonzo the DragonbornEdit>helping spread and promote Posted August 23, 2013 2:25 amGonzo the DragonbornEdit> Your splendid post Posted August 23, 2013 2:24 amte tumboSQUARED CIRCLE, here's a preview of my talking points: • i don't hate Manny*. i simply feel an abiding resentment and contempt for his promotional antics that compromised the integrity of my favorite sport. Keep it clean but remember to defend yourself at all times. Posted August 22, 2013 6:57 pmPEEJWell I don't completely agree. I but the fights because I enjoy boxing and I like watching the fight. I never really cared to see that fight. I never thought it was gonna be that competitive in the first place. But that's my opinion. Posted August 22, 2013 6:51 pmBoxe0Well now he has a legitimate excuse. Posted August 22, 2013 6:47 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)I am extremely busy today. I will respond later this afternoon/evening, when I have time. Posted August 22, 2013 4:09 pmIt's Me, Ernielmao… Posted August 22, 2013 3:53 pmte tumboDid You Know? a California Condor was seen soaring above Manny's* prostrate body immediately after he was FLATTENED by Marquez. Condors are particularly sensitive to roadkill. Posted August 22, 2013 3:14 pmte tumboBtw, i've already maxed out my ESB ranking points and i've earned every single one of them. please give my points to less fortunate posters who remain woefully unaware of vulture facts and lore. Posted August 22, 2013 2:48 pmGonzo the DragonbornMessage to Rod the Mod: I'd like to report Rich for Racism. Thank you kindly. See you on the green on Saturday afternoon, mate. Posted August 22, 2013 2:13 pmGonzo the DragonbornEdit> You'll be taking more than just the piss out of Posted August 22, 2013 2:07 pmGonzo the DragonbornYour appreciation is noted Brother Ernie, as is your undying support and patronage of my quest to spread vulture awareness around the four corners of the globe (once I have fulfilled my duty and obligation to do this, we gonna take spreading vulture awareness to outer space baby! Oh yeah!). A pair of Slender-Billed Vulture winter socks are on their way to you as I type this Brother. Posted August 22, 2013 2:00 pmRichTier Three is not so bad,we have a lot of fun down here……taking the piss out of you losers,especially when you name drop about the "TWINS" we fall about laughing…. As for fun and festivities its probably as joyless as an open grave….. Posted August 22, 2013 1:12 pmIt's Me, ErnieMany thanks. Not only do I appreciate the use of the company vehicle, I also enjoy the discounts I receive around town for being a 2nd Tier member… Posted August 22, 2013 11:59 amPEEJYour right Marquez never knocked Pac down, but he stunned him on numerous occasions throught out there fights. And there is only so much your chin can take before it finally breaks. And Pacs just finally broke. Pac is no defensive wiz. He gets hit often. Its like chipping away at a rock, after so many swings the rock will eventually break. An example I have is I had a glass I dropped on the tile floor and it didn't break. Glad I didn't have to clean it up. When I picked up the glass and placed it on the counter it shattered. It wasn't cracked at all. But all I could think of was after that drop it was just fragile enough for it to break on the next impact no matter how soft or hard it was. Posted August 22, 2013 10:56 amPEEJYour right, I was more meaning to say Pacs team. Posted August 22, 2013 10:53 amPEEJHidalgo you are 100% correct with that. Pac should of simply said no, who are you to dictate what test I take. Thanks for the compliment of thinking I am on something but I am clean and I will take any test that I am required to take. It was the excuses that made him look bad. Posted August 22, 2013 10:52 amHidalgo"Whats funny is when Marquez KOs Pac it is ok for him and his team to say Marquez was on Peds. But yet Marquez has also never failed a drug test. " Vallid point Peej, but I don't recall Pac accusing Marquez of using PEDs. Roach did, before the fight ever happened. However, Pacquiao is speaking from experience. So is Roach. Pac has fought Marquez four times over a period of 8 years. Prior to their 4th fight, Marquez had never knocked Pacquiao down. Suddenly, Marquez comes into a fight bigger and stronger and more bulked up (even more than in his 3rd fight with Pacquiao) than he has ever been in his entire career. But Roach should know better. He's setting himself up for a lawsuit too. Only difference is Roach hasn't gone on about it like the Mayweathers did. Posted August 22, 2013 10:39 amHidalgoTark, here's some definitions from dictionary.law.com: "defamation n. the act of making untrue statements about another which damages his/her reputation. If the defamatory statement is printed or broadcast over the media it is libel and, if only oral, it is slander." Pac's reputation has certainly been damaged by the PED accusations. "libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others." Pac has certainly suffered much hatred, scorn, ridicule and contempt of others since the PED accusations were levied against him. " n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit." Again, Pac's reputation was seriously and permanently harmed by the PED accusations and resulting controversy. Posted August 22, 2013 10:26 amHidalgo"Pacquiao should have accepted the tests immediately… I believe he was clean…" I also believe he was clean, Tark, but I disagree regarding taking the tests immediately. What I think he should have done was just say "NO. I'm not taking any tests other than what's traditionally required. If you don't want to fight under those conditions, then no fight." Then let it drop. Forever. If possible. Posted August 22, 2013 10:18 amGonzo the DragonbornI'm watching you like a hawk Brother Rich. Anymore lip out of you and I shall be left with no choice but to demote you to Tier Three and ban you from attending the fun and festivities on International Vulture Awareness Day. Posted August 22, 2013 10:17 amGonzo the DragonbornYes that is indeed true Brother Ernie. And in a little over two weeks time (I know you know exactly what day I'm talking about), ESB ranking points are going to raining down from the heavens upon Tier Two posters non stop for 24 hours. Posted August 22, 2013 10:15 amGonzo the Dragonborn250,000 ESB ranking points for Brother Lion King, completely gratis. Posted August 22, 2013 10:10 amGonzo the Dragonborninto Posted August 22, 2013 10:09 amPEEJWhats funny is when Marquez KOs Pac it is ok for him and his team to say Marquez was on Peds. But yet Marquez has also never failed a drug test. That is ok though. Pac is now having his fights tested with the random drug testing because of that KO. So once again folks have a double standard when it comes to Floyd. Did Floyd go about it the right way, no. Did Pac go about it the right way in saying no, absolutely not because he made excuses on why he didn't want to take the test. But with folks saying Floyd was running, the biggest thing of all this is when Pac so called agreed to the test, Arum said Pac would not be ready because of a cut that was pretty much healed and because they needed to build an out door stadium for the fight. That says a lot in itself because of course we are all still waiting for that out door stadium. Posted August 22, 2013 10:06 amThe Voice of ReasonI have always maintained that Floyd is or was not afraid of Pac. He did not want to fight him for two reasons. 1. He hated him and was jealous to see how quickly he became a star and was drawing huge fans in the US and he was not even an American. He thought he had it made when he beat Oscar and people would break down doors to see him. But he had to adopt a bad boy image to get attention. 2. He knew he could get some serious hurt even if he won and his ego would never allow that. de LVery well said. Posted August 22, 2013 6:10 amTurbo-HamsterPacquaio's response should simply have been consistent. Say "I`ll do the drug tests the governing body and local commission require and no more. You want more I want more in the contract". Posted August 22, 2013 5:23 amTARKPacquiao should have accepted the tests immediately… I believe he was clean… He didn't want to be pushed around or dictated to by Floyd… They were playing "Who's the boss?" But as Floyd refused to budge Pacquiao relented little by little until he agreed to the whole ball of wax and let Floyd have more money.. So he actually was trying to get the fight done… But he got KO'd… That knocked the fight back — but it still could happen, and still could be a blockbuster event all over the world. To be record breaking Pac has to beat Rios… Floyd has to beat Canelo. Posted August 22, 2013 1:54 amSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)te tumbo: You're deeply begrudged hatred for PacMan is only surpassed by your even deeper love, admiration and constant defense of FMJ — and everything he's done throughout his career. Truth is FMJ used the doping allegations and over-the-top testing demands — which were WAY beyond standard — to duck PacMan for years. And he still is ducking Pac. Why else did FMJ just say: "He's not going to get a chance to fight me?" To me, that one statement confirmed everything I already knew and believed to be true. I don't know any Mexicans who love Floyd as much you — especially considering he's about to fight the biggest boxing star from Mexico. Perhaps you still believe that Chavez Jr. is the biggest boxing star from Mexico. I'm starting to get the feeling that you're really pulling for Floyd to win this fight. And at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to hear you call him the GOAT. But that's cool, I guess. As the age-old adage goes: "to each his own." Mexico loves you, Lil' Floyd! Viva Mayweather! Posted August 22, 2013 12:08 amte tumboBtw, if neither fighter requests it, harmless and stricter testing is not an issue. it only becomes an issue when one fighter rejects it. even after the corresponding commission and sanctioning body approved Mayweather's request, Pacquiao* still became the ONLY fighter in boxing history to reject stricter but harmless drug-testing. easily making him the most suspect fighter in recent boxing history. Posted August 21, 2013 9:36 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)Of course all those baseless PED allegations hurt Pacquiao. The Mayweathers are NOT the Official Anti-Doping Agency of pro boxing, so it was NOT their place to set the rules and regulations regarding the bout with PacMan. That is the sole responsibility of the USADA and the official sanctioning bodies, not the fighters. Period. Team Mayweather was WAY of out line when they made all those nasty, accusations about PacMan being a PED head. It's quite normal for young boxers who start at the lightest weight-classes (e.g., 112lbs) to move-up several weight-classes as they age and fill-out over many years. PacMan never failed a test in his life, so the Money Team's PR campaign to label him as a drug cheat and destroy his reputation was "defamation of character." And there are very real and legitimate legal consequences for slanderous defamation of character when it comes to professionals who live n the public limelight and make millions. Posted August 21, 2013 6:51 pmHidalgo"But all the allegations didn't hurt Pacquiao… " Sure they did, Tark. Pac will always have a shadow hanging over him as a result of their allegations and his legacy as a champion and a fighter will always be the subject of controversy. Posted August 21, 2013 6:03 pmTARKFloyd Pacquiao would have happened if Pacquiao agreed to the PED testing regimen up front… The reason Pacquiao won the lawsuit settlement is because Floyd, Floyd Sr, De La Hoya, and Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions put damaging innuendo out there. If they didn't settle out of court and apologize sincerely, they were risking massive fines in the 8 figures. But all the allegations didn't hurt Pacquiao… Pacquiao's fights did better than ever when Floyd was ripping him verbally. It was just more ink and more free publicity. Like they always say, "I don't give a damn what you write or say about me … just spell or pronounce my name correctly when you do it." Posted August 21, 2013 5:56 pmThe Voice of ReasonCurtley, unfortunately as soon as you make an observation, point or fact and another person does not agree, on this site they either attack you personally, your manhood or something else. But most times, they call you a diehard fan of one boxer. TARKOver the last 5 years the Mayweather-Pacquiao hype has given both Floyd and Manny the most free publicity of any proposed event of all time. Why wouldn't they want to keep that going for another year or 2 before they actually fight??? Posted August 21, 2013 2:30 pmPEEJDoesn't bother me none. But I am not responding to any of his post anymore. His insults can be funny at times but that is about it. He really doesn't talk to much boxing and if you don't agree with him he resorts to insults which basically is saying he has lost his argument. Plus he stays over seas so all that talk about stuff he is says he is going to do to me is irrevelant. I doubt he would want to step foot in Texas. Posted August 21, 2013 2:05 pmIt's Me, ErnieGonzo, Is there any truth to the rumor that next Thursday will be a double ESB points day? Posted August 21, 2013 1:32 pmRichSorry about the misspelling.. "PEEJ" Posted August 21, 2013 12:47 pmRichFight of the decade,blood,tears,one strong fighter against another….after one looses he would wander off morosely never to be mentioned again except with self pity…..he might even turn into a shambling wreck…I'm not talking about Pac v Floyd…..naa that's old hat ….I'm talking on the new big one…..Gonzo v Peeg…CLARET FOR EVERYONE…… Posted August 21, 2013 12:44 pmPEEJKeyboard warriors are amusing. Posted August 21, 2013 12:28 pmThe El Paso Fight ProphetWith all the interest you all showed over the years, Floyd knows he could fight Manny in his 40's and you all will still buy the ppv. Posted August 21, 2013 11:40 amGonzo the Dragonbornstarted Posted August 21, 2013 11:34 amMagF— pac, he did have his chance a few times… The fight was basically a done deal until he started dodging the random drug test in more ways than one smh…. Then his dumb ass turned down 40 mil to fight for much less and lose wtf…. He coulda got his was whooped for 40 mil but he chose to get less and get KO'd smdh…. I don't feel sorry for him… However I do think Bob Arum is 99% of the problem and I think they will fight if pac ever leaves top rank. Posted August 21, 2013 11:22 amHidalgoHere's excerpts from a 2005 interview with Marion Muhammad, Executive Secretary, who sent the first letter to Jones in August 2000. At the time of this interview, Muhammad was the head of the IBF/USBA: " QUESTION: According to my conversation with Jacob Hall, Richard Hall's attorney asked that the second specimen be tested, and it is my understanding that nothing was done regarding Richard Hall. Did the rules not apply to him? MMUHAMMAD: Remember, the WBA was the lead here, it was a WBA mandatory. If Hall had been the IBF champion… the only thing we could do was test the winner, and the winner happened to be Roy Jones, Jr. who was the champion. Richard Hall wasn't even rated by the IBF. QUESTION: And to the best of your knowledge, (and ours), they didn't, correct?… MMUHAMMAD: Well, I only know that on Richard Hall we got nothing but I have a positive test from Roy Jones, Jr. that was directed to Mr. Jake Hall at the Indiana Boxing Commission, indicating that Mr. Jones tested positive for anabolic steroids. QUESTION: I realize that 2-1/2 years have gone by, and perhaps you don't remember… but I have copies of the letters sent by the IBF to Richard Hall and to Roy Jones, and they both bear your signature, as then Secretary of the organization… MMUHAMMAD: That's correct and there was also another one that Ms. Knight herself asked me to send… She asked me to send them, (the letters), I sent them. Then she herself sent one to … it was directed to Roy Jones telling him that she hadn't heard from him about the results from Specimen B and that she was directing him to contact this office no later than the close of business on Friday, August 25, 2000. QUESTION: The fight was in May? Why such of long lapse of time? MMUHAMMAD: I can't tell you… Once I did what she asked me to do, it went from there… I don't know what happened after that… QUESTION: Can you think of any reason why this situation was never unearthed before the Richard Hall interview with Bragging Rights Corner's Aladdin Freeman? MMUHAMMAD: Well, I really don't know… I know that I saw something on the net at one time, immediately after the fight, but nobody never called me, and when I spoke to Jacob Hall after I got his letter, he said that the Indiana Commission had no way to deal with anabolic steroids intake because it was not covered in their rules, not even banned by Indiana, so he couldn't do anything anyway, that's what he told me. I was not aware of any of the arrangements that were made between Fred Levin, Roy Jones' attorney and Mr. Jacob Hall from the Indiana Boxing Commission. (Editor's Note: Ms. Muhammad is referring to the charitable contribution which was asked of Roy Jones, Jr. and which he submitted, in the form of a check for $250, dated Oct. 27, 2000, to the Indianapolis Police Athletic League). QUESTION: I would like to ask you if you have been asked any questions regarding this incident and Roy's use of a sinus medication which according to some members of his camp could have caused the positive test results… MMUHAMMAD: No one has… I've only spoken to Jake Hall, period. I've never spoken to anyone from Roy's camp including his attorney. I haven't spoken to anyone from any internet sites, I DON'T READ THEM, believe it or not. Nobody has ever called me about Roy Jones testing positive. QUESTION: Are you aware that members of Roy Jones, Jr. have gone on record saying that his sinus medication could have been the culprit for his positive reading? MMUHAMMAD: This is the first I've heard of any of it since 2000, nobody has ever contacted me about anything, and like I said, when it was going on I only communicated with Jake Hall, period. QUESTION: Now that you head the IBF, are you attempting to make strides toward implementing drug testing in all states? Are you working on that at all? MMUHAMMAD: No, what we do is in whatever jurisdiction we sanction a fight the promoter is obliged to get drug testing…" Of course there's more to this interview and you can read it by Googling " HidalgoAnd just because you guys got me interested, I also sent an email to the IBF/USBA today requesting a copy of the letter they sent to Jones regarding his "B" sample test after his fight with Hall. I hope they still have a copy of that letter–if they sent one–and that they will be gracious enough to email me a copy of it. Posted August 21, 2013 10:48 amBRUCETHERE ALL ON THE JUICE PERIOD. Posted August 21, 2013 10:36 amPEEJFans no longer care for the Floyd vs Pac fight anymore. That fight is old news and the only way Pac can be relevent again is by beating people at WW. Mainly Bradly and Marquez. but until then he is out of the picture. And with Floyd only having 5 fights left, that fight will never happen. Oh and Pac is still with Top Rank and HBO. 2 more reasons why the fight won't happen. Also Pac thinks he deserves more money that he actually should. Posted August 21, 2013 10:30 amHidalgoJust for the heck of it here's the content of the original letter from the IBF/USBA notifying Jones that he tested positive. This is the letter for the "A" sample test: "August 2, 2000 Dear Mr. Jones: Please be advised that we have received the results of the screen done on your urine specimen following the bout you engaged in against Richard hall on May 13, 2000. Specimen A has a positive reading for anabolic steroid. According to the rules of the IBF, you must now contact the Indiana Boxing Commission and have Specimen B tested at a laboratory selected by you and that Commission. You may communicate with them by contacting Gerald Quigley, Executive Director, Indiana Professional Licensing Agency, 302 W. Washington St, Room EO34, Indianapolis, IN 46204-2700 (317) 232-2980. Once Specimen B has been tested and that result reported to this office, we will communicate with you at that time. Very truly yours, Marian W. Muhammad cc: Indiana Boxing Commission Posted August 21, 2013 10:29 amcurtleyMbuyiseli I hate both fighters for not making it happen so please don't call me a Pactard or whatever but do find it strange that Floyd is now saying he will never fight Manny as the only people who are losing out are the fans and himself. The fans want the fight and if its such an easy fight as you and FMJ believe why not take the biggest reward for the lowest risk? This has been Floyds mantra throughout his career as he is always saying its just business. I want to see how Manny looks against Ortiz but if he looks good and FMJ looks good vs Canelo then the clamour for the fight will annoyingly continue. Posted August 21, 2013 7:39 amThe Voice of ReasonFloyd does not get tired and he trains very hard because we know he is on PEDS. Most boxers caught on PEDS have been from the US. Is this a coincidence? Since the fall of the Communist Empires it seems like all of the experst in PEDS us and masking its use are from the good ole US. Floyd who was so vocal in accusing Manny of PEDS use has himself been outed. Gonzo the Dragonborn"Problem is Floyd doesn't get tired and we've seen Canelo fade in fights before. Having to take off that extra two pounds is.. people think it's just two pounds but when you already struggling to make '54 that extra two pounds is a lot. He's going to put on a lot of weight but he's not going to be able to put on the right kind of weight just in 24 hours. So he's gonna feel the fact that he's, you know, stripped his body, cutting his muscles to get to 152" – Andre 'Son of God' Ward two time world champion, winner of the Super Six tournament, and the current P4P# 8 fighter in the world. Posted August 21, 2013 6:09 amGonzo the DragonbornRemove all the * things Posted August 21, 2013 5:53 amGonzo the Dragonbornh*t**tp:*//img21.**image**shack**.us/img**21/1403/963950451**.**jp**g Posted August 21, 2013 5:52 amMbuyiseliAll the Pacidiots are forming a circle and holding hands how sweet of you retards. How about the smear campaign that tema pacquaio started after JMM KTSO of pacquaio? You all know who you are. When Floyd after the Cotto fight screamed that Arum should make the fight happen. Did you hear the crowd at MGM? Everyone knows that Arum and Mayweather never want each other to earn from one another, not a single dime. That reason nullifies and trumps all attempts. Its water under the bridge get over it. Funny that whenever Floyd has a fight Pacquaio goes to the media and say he will fight Mayweather. Morons thinking Floyd should fight GGG, when he is already fighting a lightheavy. Haters are just gonna hate, let them do their job. Posted August 21, 2013 5:23 amGonzo the DragonbornHe definitely tested positive for anabolic steroids though. This has been confirmed by the people who tested him. Posted August 21, 2013 4:32 amGonzo the DragonbornBrother Turbo-Hamster… Jones' testosterone levels were elevated six times above normal levels, so I'm told its highly unlikely the stuff in Ripped Fuel could do that. He would've had to been taking an industrial dose of it for it to raise them to that extent. I think it was also used as a masking agent for other PEDs back then too. I'm certainly no expert but there have been a couple of very interesting threads regarding this on this site which I'll dig up later where a poster who was very knowledgeable about PEDs spoke at length about this. He was a big Jones fan too and he was convinced he was on roids. I'll also try and post that picture of Jones from the Hopkins' fight where Jones' muscles look like something out of a cartoon. Posted August 21, 2013 4:27 ampacmanDgreatif you watch a floyd fights you better bring coffee, to be able to open your eyes until the end of the fight. so boring! believe me now Im telling the truth. Posted August 21, 2013 3:01 amTurbo-HamsterI`m running global trials in an anti-androgen drug for prostate cancer, the mess caused by things like ripped fuel affects the legislation I have to wade through even today. Posted August 21, 2013 1:27 amTurbo-HamsterLook at the FDA letter I posted – just delete the *s and post into browser. It has a listed ingredient of 19-Nor-androstenedione. It`s metabolised to nandrolone. It is a banned steroid. The owner of the company is signing to confirm to the FDA those are the ingredients and that is why they can say it is a "Metabolic enhancer" on the label. Posted August 21, 2013 1:25 amTARKI agree that the sanctions for using banned substances are pathetic… Forget fines… A suspension of a year of more for one lapse — a lifetime ban for getting caught twice. Posted August 21, 2013 1:18 amTARKRipped Fuel does not contain, and never contained steroids… What it DID contain, and no longer contains, is Ephedrine.. The Jones flap caused them to drop that ingredient. Posted August 21, 2013 1:14 amTurbo-HamsterAt best the guy unknowingly took an OTC steroid and probably had been for all his fights up to getting tested. At worst he was taking something else and Ripped Fuel is a useful cover. In any case the sanction not just for RJJ but for virtually anyone caught drug cheating in the USA in boxing even till today is pathetic. Posted August 21, 2013 12:40 amTurbo-Hamsterthat letter contains the ripped fuel ingredients at that time – including the steroid. Posted August 21, 2013 12:38 amTurbo-Hamsterh*t*t*p://w*w*w.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/00/jun00/062100/let5569.pdf delete the *'s Posted August 21, 2013 12:37 amTurbo-HamsterNo I am not. Jones Jnr tested positive for a steroid – and admitted talking ripped fuel, which contains a steroid androstenedione. There is also a ripped fuel product which contains ephedrine – a stimulant also found in cough medicine. More than likely what has happened is Jones lawyers thought it was a stimulant he tested positive for and thought the cough medicine excuse would play out better than Ripped Fuel. So we know the cough medicine is a furphy. In any case it was NOT a B sample – from the same original sample that was tested and found clean. What happened was that after testing dirty Jones got a warning letter, and his biggest sanction was to have to have steroid testing for future fights – and in THOSE he tested clean. Posted August 21, 2013 12:29 amTARKTurbo-Hamster…. You are wrong again.. Jones and Hall both tested clean after initially having a false positive for a steroid. Ripped Fuel, an over-the-counter product to burn fat, had ephedrine in it and Roy tested positive for that – not knowing Ephedrine was banned for boxers… He's responsible for that of course… On another fight he tested positive for an ingredient that was in an over-the-counter nasal decongestant… After that he hired a guy to make sure any products he used were completely free from banned substances for boxers. BTW, there are a lot of junky over-the-counter supplements that spray their products with cheap steroids to make consumers think they're extremely effective … and of course the steroids aren't listed on the label. Posted August 21, 2013 12:06 amTomato CanAs far as PED's go, the ones getting caught are just the tip of the iceberg. Each and everyone of these fighters are looking for every advantage they can get. And why shouldn't they? They all know their competitors are doing the same thing. The better teams will be hard to catch, under todays methods… SO then we can bash the one who get caught and call them cheats, but really we're only fooling ourselves, cause the whole sport is more than likely tainted. Posted August 20, 2013 11:57 pmAdrianThank you brother gonzo:) Posted August 20, 2013 11:54 pmAdrianSquared — tayson admited using "checkue drops" wich are very powerful PE and basically undetected because it is used usually 30 min before the activity and gets out of the system fast … Posted August 20, 2013 11:50 pmGonzo the DragonbornYou too Brother Adrian. I bid thee all adieu Posted August 20, 2013 11:48 pmGonzo the DragonbornGlad to see the cavalry have arrived. Tier Two posters astride their trusty horses, resplendent and majestic in their Egyptian Vulture feather uniforms and raptor regalia, with their swords freshly sharpened primed for battle ready to slay the minion uprising from the lower tiers, crushing the undesirables like flies and sending them back down to the murky abyss from where they clambered and where only mortal souls dare to tread. Gonzo is all vultured out (4:42 am) but he shall return to assess the carnage on the morrow. Before he makes his departure though, Brother Turbo-Hamster, Brother Lion King, and Brother Spartacus check out this brief video excerpt on Youtube from a very interesting documentary pertaining to this called 'Bigger, Faster, Stronger'.. Over 2000 US athletes had the positive drug tests covered up. Type this into the search box: Bigger Stronger Faster filmrészlet: Ben Johnson elmondja a frankót 1988 Seul-ról. Posted August 20, 2013 11:47 pmAdrian"Land of the second chances "hahahahaha yet there is no mention of them asking for the second chance … But when it comes to PAC even though he never was cought using PE yet he is a SUSSPECT for those fans who are for their hero's having "second chances"that got cought using it …lol… Listen to yourselfs.. Posted August 20, 2013 11:46 pmAdrianVitally vitally …it is mayweather who is saying he want give a fight to PAC in this article of yours yet you say they"both " have fights lined up and will milk weaker opposition , hypocrite it is mayweather who says wont give PAC a chance so forget about " how both will milk weaker opposition" you can say about mayweather milking not PAC !! Posted August 20, 2013 11:41 pmspartacus 65Thanks for the additional info Turbo. Plus you are correct on the testing issue regarding Jones. The clean tests were with subsequent bouts. That is well documented. No getting around it. Jones tested positive. On another note, Im really looking forward to the Garcia /Mattesysse bout. Moreso than the main event. Looking forward to an action packed bout for as long as it lasts. Posted August 20, 2013 11:35 pmTurbo-HamsterSo what we can say is that were you a us amateur boxer from 1988-2000, you would have had any positive test conducted out of competition covered up by the USOC. Also if you turned pro – all the fights you had until 2002 would probably have had pathetic if any drug testing, and even for a period after that if caught on steroids you`d get just a warning letter. Jones DOES get caught taking a steroid, and the subsequent action is….silence. Hmmmmmm……. Good thing Joe stayed at home rather than get cheated and robbed. Posted August 20, 2013 11:34 pmTurbo-Hamster*100 tests not 100 athletes Posted August 20, 2013 11:27 pmTurbo-HamsterAlso anyone can just google Dr Wade Exum, the USOC's director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000 and see what he has to say about US Olympian drug coverups (over 100 athletes). So does testing clean for the US in that time mean a lot? Posted August 20, 2013 11:27 pmspartacus 65In my book for this very reason , though a different sport, I still consider Hammering Hank Aaron baseballs homerun king. No funny business, no stain nor hint of scandal with Hammering Hank. He did it the honest way. Just sheer hard work and determination. My guts tell me Iron Mike was clean as well. Tyson was just a natural. Unfortunately he squandered his talent just as he was entering his fighting prime. Makes me appreciate even more fighters like both sugar Rays, Hearns,Hagler,Holmes, Salvador Sanchez,etc.. Of course ALL the old warriors prior to the group mentioned. Posted August 20, 2013 11:06 pmTurbo-Hamster@TARK…you are incorrect. It was NOT a false positive and it wasn`t B samples that came up clean, it was subsequent samples taken later before subsequent fights which came up clean. That has no bearing on the initial failed test. The original test was failed, and Jones even acknowledged that admitting to "ripped fuel", though it could well have been something else he took, and this is just spin. Regarding no suspensions or discpline – this IS KIND OF THE POINT. Nevada was actually the harshest most progressive state for creating laws re drug testing, and to quote from a Hauser article: "In 2002, the Nevada State Athletic Commission instituted steroid testing for championship fights, but said that there would be a six-month period during which, absent aggravating circumstances, a fighter who tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug would be sent an "educational letter" rather than be penalized." That is the kind of bull$h1t testing place when several big US stars like RJJ, Toney, MOsely etc were in their prime. Posted August 20, 2013 11:02 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)spartacus 65 & Gonzo: Yes, that is correct about Jones testing positive for IMO… the whole "Ripped Fuel" excuse was just a lie to cover-up that he'd been taking hefty doses of the anabolic steroid. In 1997, the International Olympic Committee banned Androstenedione and placed it under the category of "androgenic-anabolic steroids." Androstenedione is also banned by the NFL, MLB, USOC, NCA, and the NBA. Was it just a coincidence that Jones blew up from 175 to HW, to fight Ruiz, in just a few months??? Looks like Jones was never the same after boiling back down to 175lbs because his career went downhill big time. Jones, Toney, Holyfield, Berto and Peterson have all been proved to be PED cheats during their pro careers. Tyson never got busted, but Holy swears up and down that Mike was a major Roid Boy during his career. Sad, but true. Posted August 20, 2013 10:41 pmspartacus 65.I just read a slew if articles about the steriod incident involving Jones and Richard Hall. Unfortunately it DID happen and from looking at this from an objective standpoint, I must say it leaves a very ugly impressi on on me. Mr. Hall was ten times over what was considered normal in the test findings. Roy Jones was found to be sixtimes over what was considered normal in his sample findings. Jones was discovered to have taken androstenedione. That is a precursor. If im not mistaken this is what Mark McGuire admitted to taking during his home run race with Sammy Sosa. Or should I say farce. The details get uglier from there. Suffice to say, this casts a cloud over Roy up until 2000 because no testing for peds hadbeen done in boxing up until that point. Officially the program was to be instituted in 2002. However the state where the fight took place had already secretly began the testing. The fighters were not aware and thought the test would be the usual fare. They were wrong. I have to be a bit skeptical a out Jones now at least up until 2000. Posted August 20, 2013 10:02 pmGonzo the DragonbornJones tested positive the first time he was ever tested as a pro you bollock-brained goose-stepping albino lesbian Posted August 20, 2013 8:59 pmGonzo the DragonbornPEEJ "Gonzo that was no trap. He said in there primes. None of them used or came up dirty for anything in there prime." ROFL you're stupid beyond words. Posted August 20, 2013 8:57 pmPEEJShows once again how dumb you are. I never said he didn't come up positive. I said that wasn't the first time he was tested. That's all I said. But go ahead and say what you will and throw out your insults. From here on out ill just ignore them. Posted August 20, 2013 8:53 pmGonzo the DragonbornDid Roy Jones test positive after his fight against Richard Hall? Jacob Hall: "Both of them did. Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level. He didn't mention that in his interview (the now infamous interview of July 18 with Bragging Rights Corner and Doghouse Boxing). A letter was sent to both (Jones and Hall). The Indiana Boxing Commission followed up – I talked to Jones' people and said we were going to declare the fight a no-contest, suspend and fine him. And at that time, Jones' attorney Fred Levin and the Indiana Attorney General's office got involved. Indiana has no law on drug testing as probably the majority of the states in the U.S. do not. The drug testing company sent us the results. Most states that don't have drug testing laws, the test results go back to the sanctioning bodies. I think most people are surprised at that. What do the sanctioning bodies do when they get positive test results? Suspend? Fine? They didn't in this case. And there's no way you're going to know about it. Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That's not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies. So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel. Whether that's what he took or not we don't know, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid. The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That's where it ended. No action was taken. Nobody did anything. We couldn't take action (because there is no drug testing law in the state of Indiana) but what we agreed to was before his next two fights, Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative. What surprised me about this is that the IBF chose not to do anything. And I have documents…what I'm saying, I can back-up. So I'm not concerned with that. Roy Jones' people were very cooperative and very easy to work with to reach a settlement. Also, I did tell Roy Jones that there are some amateur boxing clubs here in Indiana and he did send a check in the amount of $250 for the Indianapolis PAL." Boxinginsider.com: How many people have called you since the Richard Hall interview? Jacob Hall: "Brad Jacobs, now an advisor for Jones, and a reporter from some paper in France, and that was it. Brad Jacobs called to verify if the facts were true about Roy failing the test. He wasn't involved with Roy Jones back in 2000. He just wanted to know what the facts were, like you." Boxinginsider.com: Wow, that's hard to believe – that only one media outlet from France has called you about this. Jacob Hall: "All I saw on any of the websites was that Murad Muhammad said Roy Jones tested positive for take some (nasal decongestant). But that was innaccurate. This was not a nasal decongestant." Boxinginsider.com: Does the state of Nevada have a law on drug testing? Jacob Hall: "Yes. Most states do not. Nevada does have drug testing. I think most people are surprised at that…they think all boxers are tested. For some time I've tried to get a law passed similar to Nevada but we haven't got that done yet. If the sanctioning bodies choose not to take action, there isn't a lot the state commissions can do. That's why I'm in favor of a Federal Commission like the one Senator John McCain is proposing Posted August 20, 2013 8:49 pmExiled YankI would like to see it happen, but this fight only had real meaning 3 years ago. But, like I said, I'd still watch it. Posted August 20, 2013 8:28 pmPEEJOnce again someone post what excuses ever had? The testing and then later in other negotiations money. Posted August 20, 2013 8:24 pmPEEJAlso Gonzo is mistaken. Jones did not come up dirty the first time he was tested. Jones had been tested many times oh and lets not forget he was Oslo tested through out the Olympics. You just like to spit out false info on the regular. Most times they have nothing to do with boxing Posted August 20, 2013 8:23 pmPEEJJones didn't have a glass jaw. His jaw was glass after Tarver. Which shows another case why I think Rios is gonna KO Pac Posted August 20, 2013 8:20 pmPEEJGonzo that was no trap. He said in there primes. None of them used or came up dirty for anything in there prime. Posted August 20, 2013 8:19 pmPEEJSo you think that they use them for every fight? You don't believe in second chances then. Once you've been caught your career should be over with? Posted August 20, 2013 8:16 pmChicago guyFloyd jr. concern is his health an easy fight of course just to make money.Pacquiao is too dangerous i'm not crazy to fight him. Posted August 20, 2013 7:48 pmChicago guyNo one to be blame it is Floyd jr. itself because he is maricon. Posted August 20, 2013 7:45 pmChicago guymissing word: not Posted August 20, 2013 7:42 pmChicago guyFloyd jr. said: He's going to get a chance to fight me because i'm scared of him(Pacquiao). My excuses are endless. Posted August 20, 2013 7:41 pmTARKRoy Jones and Richard Hall both had a false positive for steroids in a faulty test… Their B samples came up clean…as well as other samples. If you look at the record there are no suspensions of discipline for either of them, which would have happened had the initial tests and findings been confirmed. Posted August 20, 2013 7:25 pmspartacus 65Peace captain. Posted August 20, 2013 7:19 pmGonzo the DragonbornNo problemo. Yes investigate this. No doubt one of the Roid Boys will drop by later.with the old Ripped Fuelor Andro bollock cover story excuse. :) Posted August 20, 2013 6:55 pmGonzo the DragonbornSame to you. 100, 000 ESB ranking points to you, completely gratis. Right, off to do my Tuesday night witching hour workout. They call me Gonzo, Gonzo the Dragonborn. Adios. Posted August 20, 2013 6:51 pmspartacus 65I must say THAT I DID NOT KNOW in regards to Jones testing positive for the Richard Hall bout. I WILL definitely look into that one. If so then that does not go well for Roy. I DO NOT LIKE CHEATING. People can get seriously hurt or worse. I will look into that one my friend. Cheers mate. Posted August 20, 2013 6:50 pmspartacus 65Gonzo, that's cool my friend, especially the non homo kindness ,Lol. That was a good one. Peace to you as well soldier. Posted August 20, 2013 6:45 pmGonzo the DragonbornI wasn't alluding to you when I was talking about setting traps. Oh no! That shot was aimed squarely at the Tiffany glass jaw of young PEEJ. Jones was clearly on the steramoids for much of his career. He tested positive the first time he was ever tested as a pro, for Richard Hall, no way you only choked your chicken the time you got caught. He was defo dirty in that pic of him from one if his earlier fights too down at 160, where he had cartoon muscles bursting out if him. And obviously for the Ruiz fight as well. Anyway, non homo kindness and greetings to you. Posted August 20, 2013 6:42 pmspartacus 65In my last sentence I meant to say a tko is a real possibility. Now in regards to setting traps my friend I will,respectfully say hmmm, cheers. Now as far as these men being on Peds their entire careers I have seen no proof of that. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Joe I know at one time was a formidable striker. His ha.d problems hampered him later on to an extent. Hence why I said Joe in his prime had a good shot if he timed Jones leaping in to land that home run shot. Still its quite alright my friend. Its all in good spirits. Peace and strength. Posted August 20, 2013 6:23 pmGonzo the DragonbornCalzaghe would've hit Jones plenty, jacked or not. Jones never fought anyone with the hand speed or who threw the amount of punches he did, and Jones even admitted to this too. Posted August 20, 2013 6:14 pmspartacus 65To add a bit more to the Jones /Calzhage affair, I will give Joe an outside chance to catch that glass jaw. Jones had a tendency to leap in with his right guard down at times. If Joe could time him then a rmo is a real possibility for Joe. Posted August 20, 2013 6:12 pmGonzo the DragonbornGood day to you too BTW. :) Posted August 20, 2013 6:11 pmCherry EaterIf Canelo KOs Floyd, Floyd will absolutely not fight PAC because PAC's punching power is even more deadly and more powerful than Canelo. On top of that, PAC has the Speed, the Endurance, the Movements, and the Southpaw that Canelo doesn't have. Overall, PAC is 100 times better than Canelo. Some bloggers elsewhere said PAC will not fight Canelo. I said since PAC is a small guy walking on the street at 145 lbs, so if Canelo can get down to 147 lbs, PAC will fight Canelo and beat him up. Is Canelo bigger than Margarito and Oscar? No. Posted August 20, 2013 6:11 pmGonzo the Dragonbornspartacus.. It was a mildly clever ruse, a trap set by thine own expert hands to ensnare the gullible. And it worked a treat. Mosley, Toney, and Jones are all proven drug cheats and any talk of hypothetical match ups between them and clean fighters has to be tempered with that, unless that is you're (not as in you) of the opinion that they only cheated the times they got caught or admitted to, which of course is the domain of imbeciles, or you're going to afford said clean fighters the luxury of being jacked out of their tits on illegal PEDs too. Jones for one was clearly jacked to high heaven throughout his prime years. And Calzaghe was past his prime when he fought Jones and his punch resistance had clearly diminished. Anyone who'd followed his career from the early days would be keenly aware of that. And besides, the shot that dropped him was an illegal closeline forearm to the face, ie. bone against bone, and anyone who deems it a legitimate knockdown or cites it as an example of how a prime Calzaghe would fare in a hypothetical match up against a prime Jones should not be taken seriously. Posted August 20, 2013 6:10 pmPower PunchPAC should have answered by saying, "I gave Mayweather the chance, but he was SO SCARED to fight me." Ha Ha Ha…Ha Ha Ha…Ha Ha Ha… Posted August 20, 2013 6:01 pmGonzo the DragonbornTo whom it may concern (ie. everyone who said they were in agreement with Lord Gonzo's initial offering in this thread. You know, the one that all the Floyd groupies conveniently ignore), His Royal Highness Lord Gonzo of ESB would just like to take the time to inform you all that he too is in agreement with the things you are in agreement with that he said. Thank you kindly Posted August 20, 2013 6:00 pmspartacus 65Jake the snake Good day champ. Peej of course is correct. It's illegal. No debate there. Therefore it's WRONG. Now my humble opinion on your question in regards to mosley and tyszu . Tyszu by tko in eight. Sha.e was a superb offensive fighter but his lack of head movement and inability to deflect a jab was exposed by Vernon Forrest. Also his inability to adjust to his opponents counters at times would not serve him well. He was a very explosive fighter no doubt. Kostyzu was a PATIENT sob who placed his shots well. The loss to Vince Philips actually made Tsyzu a better fighter. A healthy Tsyzu was strong as an ox. Mosley wouldn't be able to outmuscle him on the inside. Speedy guys ? Kotsyzu dealt with them pretty effectively. James Tony and Darius? Tony by unanimous decision. Too much skill. Jonea ans Calzaghe? Jones by ko. We're talking prime Jones here. Prime Jones technical faults and all was stikl a supremely gifted athlete with almost super human reflexes. His glass jaw would have NEVER bee. Reacbed by Calzhage. I like Joe. A darn good fighter. Yet Jones was Power PunchI just want to laugh every time when asked Mayweather about Manny "The PACMAN" PACQUIAO. Mayweather either gets mad at the intereview, changes the subject or comes up with something to close the door. How big is Mayweather's closet? Maybe he has slept in this closet countless times while PAC is in training in America. Posted August 20, 2013 5:58 pmPower PunchSo sad today that boxing is NOT the best against the best as a real sport, but a money-making business. IF boxing is MANDATORY for the best against the best, we would have had a story to be told–and that is Manny Pacquioa KNOCKED OUT Floyd Mayweather in round 4 five years ago. Has anybody recently asked why Floyd is so Scared of Manny? Did you get similar answers as usual? Ooops! We just had an answer from this article–still as SCARED as 5 years ago. Posted August 20, 2013 5:55 pmGonzo the DragonbornDon't you open that Trap Door, PEEJI like Calzaghe but he never fought the elite fighters in there prime. And that stuff Calzghe was doing when he did fight Jones with his hands down would of gotten him KOd. A prime Jones beats Calzghe. Wouldn't even be hard for Jones. Posted August 20, 2013 5:50 pmPEEJI'd probly take Mosley because of his work rate and chin, James Toney, too slick. But a prime Toney is smaller. Jones by decision. Way too fast for Calzaghe. Posted August 20, 2013 5:38 pmJake the SnakeOk, thanks for clarifying that. How do you see match ups between a prime Shane Mosley and a prime Kostya Tszyu going? A prime James Toney and a prime Dariusz Michalczewski? A prime Joe Calzaghe and a prime Roy Jones? Posted August 20, 2013 5:30 pmPEEJYes if it is illegal then yes you should not be doing it, nor should it be allowed Posted August 20, 2013 5:23 pmPEEJActually it does give advantages. First off it allow for a better recovery rate in training. With better recovery rate it can get you stronger and as you should already know this is the hurt business so nobody should be able to get the upper hand in that. And it can also increase your stamina. That is the reason. But to be clear I think he is a clean fighter. But my question to now is why is Pac now taking those same test? Posted August 20, 2013 5:00 pmJake the SnakePEEJ, why should Pacman undergo OSDT when PEDs don't imbue fighters with any advantages? Posted August 20, 2013 4:48 pmPEEJWell I have stated many facts and the only response I get is Floyd is scared or is running. The fact is Floyd has only demanded drug testing and now after the 2010 negotiations he wants a bigger piece of the pie. But since he sells more than Pac and brings in more money he deserves a bigger piece of the pie. Posted August 20, 2013 4:33 pmThe Voice of Boxing@ST I made my points very clear. I am on no one's nuts. Typical pr-programmed Floydbot you can only take shots and not give facts. I could care less if they fight now. I wanted them to fight back then to see who would win. If either lost, it made no difference to me. I am a fan of boxing and the voice of common sense not a nut hugger like you. You need to follow boxing like I have since 1960 and learn to be balanced. Posted August 20, 2013 3:57 pmmoonshinemanLittle Floyd is chicken chit. Posted August 20, 2013 3:46 pmraygordonreidFLOYD A LEGEND HA Posted August 20, 2013 3:43 pmte tumbo"The closest that fight has ever been to being done was back in 2010 when Pac declined the drug test" Bullseye! that is precisely the moment when negotiations inexplicably unraveled. in fact, i can still recall posters analyzing the matchup as if it was a done deal when Pacquiao's* phobias(?), religion(?), and culture(?) sank the eagerly-anticipated P4P Showdown. at this point, only Pacquiao's* willingness to produce a $50 million payday makes it worthwhile for Mayweather. even if it means a paltry(?) $3 to $5 million payday for Pacquiao*. after all, that's the mojo that enabled Marquez to score the #1 KO in Boxing History v. Pacquiao*, which is what a confident(?) Manny* should also be looking forward too, at all costs. Posted August 20, 2013 3:20 pmte tumboSPARTACUS65, my last post apparently fell short of the ironic tone i was trying to convey(?). i will try harder next time. Btw, i'm a fan of Mayweather's fighting ability. it's irrefutable and i never believed that Pacquiao* was on the same level. Manny* is a very good and dangerous fighter but he is not superior to any elite and Mayweather is Thee elite fighter of his era. Pacquiao* did once enjoy parity in the marketing/promotional department but that is no longer the case. just like Pacquiao* expected concessions from his promotional inferiors to confirm a matchup, he must now swallow his ample pride and do the same IF he truly wants to face Mayweather. Posted August 20, 2013 3:14 pmPEEJFloyd is actually the best boxer of this generation and that is a fact. Posted August 20, 2013 3:07 pmPEEJWhat excsuses did Floyd come up with when Pac was gonna sign on the dotted line? The closest that fight has ever been to being done was back in 2010 when Pac declined the drug test. So what excuse has Floyd come up with? There is the drug test and money. Floyd deserves a bigger piece of the pie because Floyd sells more. So he gets more. That is economics. Posted August 20, 2013 3:06 pmTARKI have Floyd favored 8:5… If Floyd runs away with the fight by more than 116-112 I'm wrong. If Canelo knocks Floyd out or beats him bad I'm obviously wrong. I see a close fight. I see legitimately close scores. You might see a stupid score or 2 like in Mayweather-De La Hoya — to me, that's just pathetic in a fight of this magnitude. You would think they would hire the best and most consistent judges in Boxing for this event. No Duane Ford's… Save us. Posted August 20, 2013 3:00 pmPowerPAC will kiss Mayweather's face left and right, right and left until his face is all RED and SWOLLEN with hot pepper and hot makeups…and can't be recognized. Posted August 20, 2013 2:29 pmFight The PACMANFight the PACMAN or go back and fight your ex-wife and ends up in jail!!! The more excuses, the more people know how AFRAID you are. Posted August 20, 2013 2:25 pmFight The PACMANRecently, Mayweather just told ESPN that in order for him to fight Manny PACQUIAO, PACQUIAO will HAVE to sign with the Mayweather promotion. What? That's crazy!!! Al Hayman (Mayweather's advisor), Allerbe (manager) and the Mayweather knew that PAC, is the most popular athlete in the world (1000 times more popular than Mayweather), so PAC will NEVER sign with his enemy's promotion. Thus, this is another tactic used by team mayweather to kill the fight. Now, team Mayweather may have heard a rumor from PAC that PAC will do whatever it takes to fight and KO him by willing to sign with his promotion, so team Maycoward changes to "He's not going to get a chance to fight me ." Ha Ha Ha…So SCARED!!! LOL… Posted August 20, 2013 2:23 pmFight The PACMANPAC did NOT blow it, but Mayweather purposely acted like he was going to fight PAC, but when PAC were going to sign the dotted line, Mayweather came up with MORE excuses to kill the fight. All the endless and nonsense excuses Mayweather and Al Haymon (his advisor) had made for the past 5 years were a Strategy to duck PAC, but somehowthey showed to the Floydiots that he still wanted to fight. However, in their hearts, they are SCARED as hell. This act of Mayweather is a classic example of a young elk bull that wanted to mate the cute and hot cows(females), but the when OLD and KING bull approaches, the young bull knows he has NO competition whatsoever with the KING BULL so he steps away with salivation and die-hard horny feeling. NEVER has the courage to face the OLD and the KING BULL. Posted August 20, 2013 2:14 pmCoward Should Figth His Ex AgainMaybe the PACMAN beat Maycoward up so badly in his last life, and he still has a remote memory from his past life. That's why Maycowrd is that SCARED of PACQUIAO. Posted August 20, 2013 2:02 pmCoward Should Figth His Ex AgainSince Maycoward is that AFRAID, let him be the cherry picker of the century! He will NEVER grow enough confidence to fight Manny PACQUIAO because he knows that he will get brutally beat up and knocked out. Period. Excuses from Maycoward will NEVER end when it comes to fighting PACQUIAO. Posted August 20, 2013 2:00 pmmurdermanThere will be a pac vs may fight next year! Why? Cause boyh fighters are running out of options as far as opponents people will pay to see them fight. May gbp along w arum n pac has to put egos aside and make this fight! Both parties are to blame! Floud low balled pac w 40 million dollar offer. Pac waffled back n forth on the blood testing issue! Both parties must squash the beef n give us fans what we been dying to see! Like it or not may n pac need each other! Posted August 20, 2013 1:26 pmPEEJstadium Posted August 20, 2013 1:16 pmPEEJI am still waiting for that out door statium to be built that Arum was so adament about building. Posted August 20, 2013 1:11 pmST@"The Voice of Boxing" (which you are not), hop off Pacmans nuts! Pac only wants the fight now, for the money. He was on top the world when nobody was asking him to drug test. Floyd calls him out, and now the tattood warrior is afraid of needles. Floyd was smart as can be by buying out his contract his Arum. He laid the groundwork. Pac could do the same. However, I guess he likes being controlled and spoon fed money Posted August 20, 2013 12:57 pmST@Hildalgo Marquez said himself AFTER he knocked out Pacman that the results of him vs floyd would be the same and he doesnt want another whooping. Get those facts right my man Posted August 20, 2013 12:50 pmSTYou guys must not understand that Floyd has now refused to put a huge amount of $$$$ in Pac and Arums pocket. That is the bottom line. Pac has sued Floyd for defamation to make matters even worse. Arum refused a mediator when talks stalled. Combine that with all the excuses of the doping tests, the outdoor stadium, marketing the fight and etc, and you have a Promoter that didnt want to see his cash cow lose Posted August 20, 2013 12:47 pmspartacus 65Te Tumbo, good day sir. I will continue to respect your commentary on this site. I dont agree with some of your observations which is my right. Im sure you don't agree with mine. That's perfectly fine. I see you're a Mayweather fan and that's absolutely okay as well. But sarcasm my friend, let's leave that where it belongs. Cheers. Posted August 20, 2013 12:30 pmIt's Me, ErnieOf course you have him @ 8 to 5, we wouldn't want you to ever be anymore precise before a bout, the I knew it all along comes after the fact… Posted August 20, 2013 12:14 pmTARKIf Mayweather somehow beats the Cinnamon Kid… and that is no given, I have Floyd an 8-5 favorite… I want to see him vs Matthysse. I just think that will be a massively interesting FOTC type of meeting. Posted August 20, 2013 12:04 pmHidalgo"especially by a guy Floyd beat every minute of every round after a 2-year layoff." That was then and this is now. Marquez would beat Guerrero to a pulp. Mayweather could never KO Pacquiao like Marquez did. Floyd won't face Marquez again–not after seeing him demolish Pacquiao. The only guy Floyd has "demolished" since he became a welterweight is Victor Ortiz–while Victor stood with his arms at his sides. Doing nothing. Posted August 20, 2013 12:02 pmHidalgo"He SURE can't beat Canelo." Pac will never fight Canelo. Pac hasn't fought as a jr. middleweight since his fight with Margarito. So your comment is moot. Posted August 20, 2013 12:00 pmANDREWMY FAVORITE COMMENT/?"BORING" Posted August 20, 2013 11:54 amthetruth101Mayweather vs Broner! Make it happen! Posted August 20, 2013 11:48 amspartacus 65Voice of boxing, good day champ. Well said my friend. Well said. Cheers. Posted August 20, 2013 11:27 amte tumboa post that begins with "First the torrent of sheer, ignorant onslaught of hatred directed towards manny Pacquiao from Mayweather fans is unprecedented in its intensity" followed by "I will go on reckrd and say that Mayweather is a FRAUD. PERIOD"(?!?) . . . no additional commentary necessary. Posted August 20, 2013 11:10 amTarkosaurusI'm not Ernie. I'm the dead guy on the horse. You should have guessed my main handle long ago. How obvious do I have to make it? It's not like I don't want anybody to find out. But more to the point, why are you crying and complaining about fighters using dirty tactics against Mayweather when you're a disciple of the holy trinity of the dirtiest fighters in the sport? I gave you another clue there, let's see how smart you're not. Posted August 20, 2013 10:53 amBIG FOOTSo there'll never be a Pac fight. There's still GGG and I think he could handle a 152 lb. catchweight demand as well as a drug test. Neil (Pomy)There is a good lesson there for future superstars …… when they money is on the table and the interest is there …. stop playing the waiting-game and go for it. Posted August 20, 2013 10:26 amNeil (Pomy)These 2 guys ruined their own chances of participating in the richest fight in history ….. they should of got it on 2 years ago ….. now the match up means nothing. No one really cares anymore. they've blown it Posted August 20, 2013 10:25 amTARKRight!!! Floyd is really scared of Pacquiao… In his last 3 fights Pac has looked massively beatable — especially by a guy Floyd beat every minute of every round after a 2-year layoff. Pacman had a Floyd fight in the palm of his hand twice — and down he goes to ignominious defeat… Now if Pac can only manage to beat Rios, a raw swinger coming off a loss, Floyd might reconsider and fight him. How many chances does Floyd need to give these losers? Posted August 20, 2013 10:05 amTARKErnie enema drinker…, You're the guy who needs a bedpan… You usually have your face in one … slurping up all the piddle. Posted August 20, 2013 9:54 amDJOf course Mayweather is scared. When it is all said and done and he looks into the mirror at himself every morning, he will know deep down that he is the one that has made all the excuses and he never fought the best opponents available to him. Yes he has fought some great fighters but he has continually ducked Pacman cause he know's it's to dangerous for him. He has ducked other fighters in the past like KT. I don't care that they were signed by two different networks. Mega fights are made too happen all the time and that fight should have been made but Mayweather knew KT would destroy him. just the way Pacman is too dangerous for him. Posted August 20, 2013 9:28 amZuksVoetsek leave Mayweather alone Posted August 20, 2013 8:51 amJay rockIt's a waste of a fight pacman is damaged goods Posted August 20, 2013 7:34 amThe Voice of BoxingI can recall Floyd going on FNF with Brian and saying if Manny really wanted him he would say so, I have never heard him say that. He is not his own boss and cannot make his iwn decisions blah, blah, blah. Manny had just beaten Cotto and had his ear damaged but when the little warrior heard that, he went on TV at home and said he is readdy and wants Floyd. Swedish Boxing FanFloyd Mayweather Jr – Overhyped boxing product. He is just afraid he will lose his precius "0" of his record thats all it is. Mayweather jr will never fight an opponent he knows have a decent chanse to defeat him. Also he is a sorry greedy one as well. Posted August 20, 2013 7:11 amspartacus 65Huckster, You just summed it all up in two words PERFECTLY. Cheers soldier. Hidalgo,Lionking and especially Granger, VERY WELL SAID, your posts. Now as Huckster stated very truthfully, I would suggest let's move on from this Mayweather THEATER and focus on real deserving fighters who are doi.g qhat figjters do. FIGHT. Peace and strength. (btw) Esb is late on this so called story. Posted August 20, 2013 7:01 amhuckstersoap opera Posted August 20, 2013 6:30 amspartacus 65Quite frankly this is getting tiresome. First the torrent of sheer,ignorant onslaught of hatred directed towards manny Pacquiao from Mayweather fans is unprecedented in its intensity. Second the exvuse making for this joker constantly coming up with excuses to mot face this man. Also tiresome is the old Arum is at fault card trotted out ad nauseum to justify this tease of a fight not being made. Tons ofoney could have been made here for EVERY ONE. ALL THE FOOLISHNESS in regards to testing etc.. jas LONG been hashed out. Pacquiao has been on a bit of a decline dor some time now due to his aggressive style of fighting. Yet his name STILL carries weight financially. There is NO REASON not to fight him. Bjt he won't. He never intended to fight this man. Mayweather has a personal thing with this man. In every quote from him he looks to DEMEAN him in everyway possible. This is about fear and ego. Pacquiao clearly has slipped a bit. Still this fellow is reluctant to take that chance. To me I will go on reckrd and say that Mayweather is a FRAUD. PERIOD. The second half of his career isbased on beating who ? Delahoya,Mosley, Ortiz, Guerrero and other no hopers. A very carefully constructed illusion that is accepted by certain individuals from a certain demographic and age group. Pacquiao SHOULD retire soon. The man has nothing to prove. He fought some real heavy hitters, moving up to do so in.the process over the course of his career . He took risks regardless of the outcome. Time to call it a day. Thankfully there are up.a.d coming fighters now who are giving boxing a much needed shot in the arm who are willing to fight each other. No b.s. games involved. Posted August 20, 2013 5:15 amRichIt should read Mayweather will never face Manny….It was Pacq who challenged Bunny in the first place and Bunny did all the excuses not to take the fight, including his little skit with retirement and extended holidays.At least Marq had the courage of his convictions and pressed for all 4 fights,never made excuses,never asked for anything,unlike our self proclaimed hero who has consistently wailed…."Ars jus wanna clean up baxin"……..starting with his own life wouldn't go amiss…… Posted August 20, 2013 3:51 amMbuyiseliThere's a moron who said Floyd would never fight Matthysse. Did you see Lucas' last fight? The guy punched with both feet off the ground and fell face first on the canvas. How funny was that? You believe that guy would beat Floyd, you guys are just plain retards. Manny will never face Mayweather, get over it. Why should Floyd fight JMM's sloppy seconds, I mean fourths? Posted August 20, 2013 3:22 amRichGonzo…..You must have a new pimp……I certainly agree with everything he wrote for you on here………. Posted August 20, 2013 3:13 amHavocFloyd won't smack PAC! PAC will….! Posted August 20, 2013 2:43 amHavocKFC!!!! Floyd is a whoosh ! Chicken!!!! Posted August 20, 2013 2:42 amKOrnermanwhy is anyone even interested in a mis match, lets be serious Floyd would spank him. Posted August 20, 2013 2:36 amHecdogGranger, thanks my friend. Posted August 20, 2013 2:36 amHaimatFloyd seems angry at Pacquiao. This is business. Grow up Floyd and fight him. Posted August 20, 2013 2:35 amHavocScrew Floyd he is a boring fighter! His fights are so sad that everytime he wins he made fans cry out for refund! Posted August 20, 2013 2:28 amTarkosaurusCan somebody call one of the nurses to come and empty Tark's bedpan? It's starting to really stink in here. Posted August 20, 2013 1:46 amTarkosaurusTark the disciple of the holy trinity of dirty gits Ward, Hopkins, and Floyd crying about other fighters using dirty tactics. Piss off back to the care home you useless bag of old bones. Posted August 20, 2013 1:42 amGrangerHecdog, GREAT POST BUDDY!! Posted August 20, 2013 1:39 amTARKTumbo…, "A lot of fighters might have remained "gentleman" in the same situation but Mayweather's killer-instincts only allow him to Win." NO they wouldn't., NOT after they've been viciously headbutted like that.. Ortiz was looking for a way out of the fight because he's a quitter.. He quit versus Maidana… Josesito… and Floyd… Versus Floyd VO got creative… First he tried to foul out by deliberately launching his head into Floyd's face after numerous warnings from Cortez to watch his head.. When the deliberate headbutt didn't DQ him, he looked at the referee instead of Floyd as he was hit twice. Usually getting hit once gets most people's attention… But Ortiz seemed to be saying, "Can you believe this… He's hitting me!!!" Well yeah Victor… It's a fight.. That's kind of the idea … Plus, you can always kiss and hug after the fight's over … but I think VO knew that… He made his 5 million dollars… time to clock out. Posted August 20, 2013 1:29 amRemHow could anyone be a fan of this joke. Legacy done he's a nobody in this sports history. Dudes are hilarious trying to blame Arum for one or two comments while ignoring all ACTIONS Floyd took to avoid Pac. Im now convinced Floyd has no confidence he can beat Pac. Posted August 20, 2013 1:10 amHidalgo"SO MUCH more dangerous fight in Canelo than the risk that Pac could ever be." Elaborate please. Tell us exactly why Canelo is a "dangerous" fight for Mayweather. Posted August 20, 2013 1:08 amBLUESMANThing is, Mayweather is a GREAT counter-puncher. Marquez counter-punched the crap outta Pacquiao, so it is INEVITABLE that Mayweather would beat Pacquiao, enda story. Posted August 20, 2013 1:01 amBLUESMANI honestly think Mayweather would beat Pacquiao. Posted August 20, 2013 12:52 amFarmboxerVoid will never fight Pac because he is extremely afraid of him. Void, Sr. said, right after Pac stopped Cotto, that Void, Jr. will never fight Pac. If Pac is such an easy fight for Void, then Void would have fought Pac years ago. Void is still running………….. Posted August 20, 2013 12:43 email@example.com WILL fight Pacquiao, once the boxing masses want it bad enough! Mayweather simply knows how to rile up the haters and those that are disinterested! Judging by these posts Mayweather still knows how to excite these HATERS, fans and all those in between; thereby receiving large sums of money!! Lets not forget Mayweather AGREED to fight PEDiquiao the1st contracted contract…. PEDiquiao FRONTED!! Posted August 20, 2013 12:13 amte tumboTOMATO CAN, i believe that Arum has played the leading role in sabotaging the Mayweather v. Pacquiao* showdown (and others) when it mattered, but Pacquiao* has also been his compliant co-star. Mayweather is barely a featured player in this production. after all, he remains undefeated. at this point, all Mayweather is doing is pointing out the dramatic decline in Pacquiao's* marketability, which is a credible deal-breaker for a fighter dedicated to bigger paydays not propping-up Pacmania. it's Mayweather's choice. if it isn't Pacquiao's*, then fearing Arum is no better than fearing Mayweather. Posted August 19, 2013 11:48 pmpacmanDgreatfloyd made a history right now, he will be remembered as an undefeated coward of all time…cmon floyd manny is calling you out pls have some balls to face manny,,so many fighters want a chance of a lifetime just to face a fighter like manny known as the best fighter of all time. And you were avoiding it. Posted August 19, 2013 11:36 pmEdgar GuevaraMayweather the best fighter right now. Sugar Ray Leonard says, we hope he doesn't get old that day of the fight. Mayweather arrogant like mother, I hate that about Mayweather no a chance to fight "Pacquiao" people don't even care about the fight. If it didn't happen March 13, 2010. It is over believe me. The hype right now is Canelo-Mayweather win this fight and like Larry Holmes try to break Calzaghe, Finito Lopez, Marciano great records 50-0, 50-0, 49-0 then retire. Let Pacquiao deal wiht Rios and only his wins against great name will land him, where he was at. Maybe he can demand you to fight him. Marquez-Pacquiao can make a 5th fight a great fight. Pacquiao as you don't need him, he doesn't need you. Leave it alone, go one with you undefeated record proctect it career. Canelo will be a run to the park, I know. Unless like Sugar Ray Leonard says we hope your mind and body doesn't give up on you that night. Posted August 19, 2013 11:35 pmwinetasterI am amzed so many people responded to this especially when it is obviously a year or more too late. I only could hope that Pacquaio could become even 80% of the force he once was was but that's a long gone. I don't even think Manny will get by Brandon Rios to even begin to discuss any hope of ths fight with Mayweather ever happening so I'll cut it real short. If anything, I think Mayweather finally wants to fight Pacquiao and is just tweeking the boxing fans' responses with this B.S. Posted August 19, 2013 11:29 pmnamelesslion queen, nobody cares what you say. Posted August 19, 2013 11:17 pmRayAs if we didnt know. I believe firmly that Mayweather NEVER wanted any part of Pacquioa and with Arum running his BS it made it even easier for Mayweather to avoid the Pacquioa fight…everything else is just BS and Drama. But if I had to pick, skills alone Mayweather would have beaten Pacquioa, it would have been a good fight nonetheless where Mayweather would have taken a beating but still came out with a SD victory. Posted August 19, 2013 11:09 pmRay RayTomato can agree 100% I don't no about there being no1 left 4 Floyd. Mattysse, Garcia even Austin Trout would b acceptable opponents. Posted August 19, 2013 10:43 pmTomato CanIt's kind of hard to believe that fans still think Arum didn't play the major role in this fight not taking place. Where the hell have such fans been, hanging out on pacland.com? Arum came up with excuses and blatant lies at every transition which took place over the years. Posted August 19, 2013 10:33 pmThe Truth TellerI still don't buy that Pacquiao and Arum were the ones keeping the fight from happening. Floyd was scared of Pacquiao because, IMO, he knows he's never had to face a guy like Pacquiao that can punch with that type of speed and power…and give him the angles Pacquiao would. I believe Mayweather is the more skilled of the two (especially defensively), but Manny puts doubt in Floyd's mine that he can beat him….why else did the most lucrative fight in boxing history not get made? When it comes to balls and willingness to take chances, Pacquiao clearly has shown that he'll take risky fights…Floyd has only recently been willing to take risky fights by taking on Canelo…and I get the feeling, the 30 million dollars guaranteed money he's getting from his Showtime contract has a lot to do with it. That said, I still feel Floyd wants no part of Pacquiao because of Manny's style Posted August 19, 2013 10:10 pmCORRECTAMUNDOGolovkin needs to face someone who can impress the EXPERTS. Stevens is probably not it. Martin Murray called Golovkin out but nothing has materialized for one reason or another. That would have been a GREAT measuring stick Fight as Martinez just barely beat Murray. Posted August 19, 2013 9:52 pmCORRECTAMUNDO3G isn't serious or else he'd start campaigning @ 154 now and force the Fight. He just wants the Mayweather paycheck like everyone else. IF he LOSES he'll have the built in excuse that he was drained because it was his first Fight @154….Golovkin needs to beat Martinez First and get himself on the Top 10 P4P list. Canelo impressed the EXPERTS with his WIN over Trout and made the list. Thus the Mayweather Fight is on his doorstep. Posted August 19, 2013 9:50 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)If FMJ can get past Canelo, we'll see what kind of courage he really has when 3G challenges him for all his 154lbs titles. And at the same time, Matthysse will move up to WW to challenge him for his 147bs titles. At that point, we will see just how courageous and heroic Floyd really is — and what a cherry-picker he really is. I have a feeling that Floyd will outright DUCK one or both of them — just like he ducked prime PacMan. FMJ is a greedy businessman first and foremost and a fighter second. Personally, I'll always respect REAL ring warriors who fight for honor, pride, glory and legacy above all else — especially above the almighty $$$ when they're already millionaires. That precious "O" only means so much if you avoided the very best at the most dangerous times. Posted August 19, 2013 9:40 pmUJellyGaaaah, just fight already! The only other option I'd throw out there that could do anywhere near the same money (without a rehash of Cotto or something like that) is Martinez… Martinez is looking vulnerable these days and I dare say Floyd could risk going up to 160 to take him for the legit middleweight crown. If he wants to play it "safe", then offer the fight immediately after the Canelo fght (assuming Floyd wins that) when Martinez is due for his first fight back after injury. Catch him before Golovkin gets to him. Posted August 19, 2013 9:27 pmBig MoeThe closer Floyd get to 49-0, the more his fights will sell. It won't matter against who either. He's already a marketing genuis. going after the undefeated record will be the cherry on top. Cause if you think people want to see him lose now, just wait until he reaches 47-0. the ppvs will go up. Posted August 19, 2013 9:19 pmGhetto ThugThis site is full of imbeciles, Money took a SO MUCH more dangerous fight in Canelo than the risk that Pac could ever be. There is no logic in blaming Money, just haters and Pactards do that. Posted August 19, 2013 9:13 pmTurbo-HamsterMeh… I`d always pick Mayweather to beat Pac no matter when they fought, but the fact is that when Pac was storming up looking fantastic, Floyds attitude wasn`t "Great a fantastic challenge to prove my greatness against". It was "This guys is a cheat, I am going to belittle and slander him, I`m going to introduce requirements I never had before". To my mind FLOYD is the one who missed a fantastic chance there not Pacquaio. Posted August 19, 2013 9:10 pmteepeeyall know Floyd good because ppl already trying to pick his next fight hell the man have to fight this big ass super middle weight first but that's what the G.O.A.T do kick ass and take names lol Posted August 19, 2013 9:05 pmte tumboMayweather's ring-style continues to improve with each performance and the Judah bout was a lonnng time ago. Floyd reveals an additional wrinkle with each new challenge along with keen reflexes that immediately react to once-in-a-lifetime openings , e.g., Ortiz. a lot of fighters might have remained "gentleman" in the same situation but Mayweather's killer-instincts only allow him to Win. i love Mathysse but he's not ready for a still-prime Mayweather. Posted August 19, 2013 8:58 pmteepeehell pac didn't even win his last 3 fights ever since the juicing thing came up pac has lost well Bradley fight was bs but he lost so leave pac out till he get some wins lol Posted August 19, 2013 8:58 pmMoneyGuerrero v Mayweather did 800,000 not good. Posted August 19, 2013 8:52 pmte tumbo"THERE IS NO WAY IN H3LL [Floyd] COULD EVER KO MANNY PACQUIAO THE WAY JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ DID. NO WAY". IMO, Mayweather would mercilessly Pummel and Punish Pacquiao* like he did Gatti for a one-sided TKO stoppage. the proposed P4P showdown always figured to be a one-sided beating in Floyd's favor. Posted August 19, 2013 8:50 pmTARKMatthysse has to move up… He'll weigh 165 into the ring when he faces Floyd at 147… Easy. He'll be unloading bombs from the bell. He may have the best chance of anyone because Floyd has been tagged early — before he's had a chance to make adjustments. With Judah it took 3 rounds. With Matthysse you might not get that chance. Posted August 19, 2013 8:49 pmte tumboi love what Mathysse brings to the welter table but a still-prime Mayweather bedevils and perhaps even severely PUNishes a smaller Mathysse. every welter is at a severe disadvantage v. a still-prime Mayweather with breakaway talent and skills. even the 152lb Canelo will have to rely on some degree of real or weight-related slippage to overcome the Mayweather threshold. nonetheless, considering that Mayweather already assumes a standing-handicap of campaigning at 147lbs (140lbs is his real optimal fighting-weight) there is genuine risk involved. Canelo may very well be the strongest fighter and hardest puncher Mayweather has ever faced but when the price is right, there is no opponent below 160lbs that Mayweather wouldn't seriously consider facing. Posted August 19, 2013 8:39 pmHidalgoBTW Vitali, I think you meant "contradict," not "contract" as you wrote in the first line of the third paragraph of your article. Posted August 19, 2013 8:23 pmTARKFloyd vs Canelo is in 458 theaters so far… They should be packed to the rafters to get the big fight "crowd" experience… It could also do 3 million in PPV the way Oscar is talking … Of course he's going to talk it up. How about 2.8 million? I'll take the under on that. If the promoters hype the PPV too unrealistically they'll wind up with egg on their faces. Posted August 19, 2013 8:18 pmMoneyFloyd v Matthysse, that is another fighter he would not fight. Posted August 19, 2013 8:16 pmHidalgo"He had a chance, he blew it, so that's what it is," Oh here we go again. "He blew it." As I've always said, if Mayweather truly wanted to make a fight with Pacquiao, he'd find a way to do it. But he doesn't really want to fight Manny so he won't make the fight. Floyd's ego is way to big for his shoes. He wants everyone to come crawling to him for a fight. Pac doesn't have to do that. Manny is every bit the megastar Floyd is. Floyd's problem is that he has always wanted to dominate Manny in every way, but he hasn't been able to. He slandered him with unsubstantiated PED accusations and ended up paying for that. He's ethnically and racially slandered Pacquiao and ended up apologizing for that. Now that Pac has suffered a KO loss to Marquez, Mayweather is downgrading him for that. Yet Robert Guerrero is a more viable opponent than Manny Pacquiao? Hardly. Floyd always has an obstacle to put between him and Manny Pacquiao. If he truly wanted to fight Manny Pacquiao, they would have already fought. But hey Floyd, in case you happen to read this thread, this comment is just for you: THERE IS NO WAY IN H3LL YOU COULD EVER KO MANNY PACQUIAO THE WAY JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ DID. NO WAY. Posted August 19, 2013 8:10 pmTARKI would rather see Floyd vs Trout… Floyd vs Matthysse… Floyd vs Broner… Floyd vs Garcia… and Floyd vs Canelo… I would be amazed if Floyd comes out of those 5 fights undefeated … That would astound me, but stranger things have happened. If Floyd wants to retire 50-0 he might throw Pacquiao a bone. I expect him to win that one easily. Posted August 19, 2013 8:08 pmTARKFloyd will win if this fight when it comes off… I would rather see Floyd vs Trout… Floyd vs Matthysse… Floyd vs Broner… Floyd vs Garcia… and Floyd vs Canelo… I would be amazed if Floyd comes out of those 5 fights undefeated … That would astound me, but stranger things have happened. But if Floyd wants to retire 50-0 he might throw Pacquiao a bone. Posted August 19, 2013 8:05 pmMoneyPacquiao v Mayweather wouldof done about 3 million PPV, Canelo v Mayweather will do half that, Mayweather was scared of Pacquiao, so edged it. Posted August 19, 2013 8:01 pmIt's Me, ErnieTe Tumbo, I agree. Floyd's marketing skills are right there with the Klitschkos. Those three know how to become wealthy beyond imagination from a sport that almost always does the opposite to it's participants… Posted August 19, 2013 7:57 pmJunioI'm moving on. Posted August 19, 2013 7:55 pmte tumbo"Floyd Mayweather has always been fearful of Manny Pacquiao"(?). HECDOG, please reconcile that speculative statement with the FACT that Mayweather has agreed to face Canelo instead? THAT is the challenge to ANYbody attributing fear to Mayweather. Cash (not fear) rules everything around Money. "Get the money. Dollah-Dollah bill y'all". Posted August 19, 2013 7:52 pmzeraHecdog FMJ just plays the "Bad Guy" to sell fights, the guys got a big heart too, he's just not showing it to everybody. Don't stoop to personal level, he just sells his fight that's all. if there is a common denominator between fFMJ and Pac, is the fact that they both give to charity, Pac is just on front of a camera while doing it, while FMJ is discreet and don't usually boast it. Posted August 19, 2013 7:46 pmzerasuch a shame the fight didn't happen… i mean, i'm a pac fan, i know pac would lose to mayweather (FMJ is just on a different level)… but still… it may be not that entertaining to see, but it would be the most lucrative fight ever… Blame Arum for not making this fight… After seeing FMJ schooled Guerrero… JunioThe interesting thing is, fthat Floyd was actually the more physically declined fighter of the two when this fight was first offered. But like the Great skilled fighters of the past, his I.Q. and boxing ability overshadow it so much so that his opponent is still seen as the underdog. It's something I've always wondered if Floyd had been younger, at his physical peak, would he have even bothered with the additional testing? If boxing used same day weigh-ins, when would this fight have been originally been called for? Posted August 19, 2013 7:38 pmHecdogFloyd Mayweather has always been fearful of Manny Pacquiao. Manny has always been the more popular fighter world wide that has never needed Mayweather to make money. He has so many avenues, so money wasn't and isn't t the problem now. Floyd knows that Manny is a real threat as he watched him terrorize all of his opponents. Floyd and his team opened their big mouths and accused Manny of using peds, and that backfired as he was sued for defamation of character. The Mayweathers and GBP had to eat mud as they had to give apologies to Manny for trying to ruin his reputation, and they had to pay him a hefty amount of cash. Floyd had to eat his words, pride and ego, and his anger, envy and jealousy does not want to reward Manny for anything. He won't fight Manny. He had to bow down to Manny Pacquiao and that is something he will never get over. Manny is the fighter people love, Floyd is the one they hate. One is good, humble and respectful. The other is egotistical, disrespectful and evil. Floyd wants all the love, adoration, respect and happiness Manny has. Unfortunately, Floyd has painted the picture of himself that he wanted. He won't be believable if he tries to act as Manny is because he's already showed us who he really is. The 24/7 show destroyed his reputation forever. Posted August 19, 2013 7:36 pmAnonymousSCARED OF LOSING….! Posted August 19, 2013 7:16 pmTitopaBrazilian Boxing Fan – I used to think that, but now….I DON'T Posted August 19, 2013 6:57 pmBrazilian Boxing FanMayweather is terrified of Pacquiao. Posted August 19, 2013 6:43 pmte tumboscorecard robberieS never discouraged Marquez from insisting on and earning rematches v. Pacquiao*, which Manny* reluctantly granted primarily based on a presumed lack of risk or danger v. an "older", "slower", and "ringworn" Marquez. in fact, Team Pacquiao's* mismatchmaking strategy has never been based on risk or challenge. conversely, adequately compensate Mayweather and he'll seriously consider facing any and every challenger — bigger, smaller, undefeated, and/or P4P — and he'll do it FIRST. Cash Rules Everything Around Me GrangerPeej, wow, just posted and then read you saying essentially the same thing, though more succinctly. Good to see that others can see through the lie that Manny, who avoids his greatest threat, can hardly b considered the best of his generation. He is gambling that people will overlook this giant wart on his resume, rather than gambling in losing to Paquiao. Truth be told, those who know boxing, know that drops him way down the list of truly great warriors in the ring. Posted August 19, 2013 6:27 pmGrangerI for one think Floyd has great skill and don't consider him a chicken in the ring. Though his style is like watching dry paint get dryer, he's effective. Many of us do however consider him a disgusting, braggart chicken outside of the ring. Unlike Wladmir Klitschko, who fights the best, Floyd has an undeniable reputation for running from fighters he fears, his entire career. Fighters have different shelf lives and Mayweather who fears Pacquiao, bides his time, hoping that Paquiao will be a pathetic shell of his former self and age with less grace than he will. Unfortunately, for honest boxing fans, that may now be the case. We need to have no doubt that Floyd has been terrified of Manny P. Even Floyd's uncle claimed that he would never let Floyd fight him, because Floyd might get hurt really, really bad or even killed. Of course they used the fictitious steroid excuse in that case. But yeah, Floyd's camp feared he may be killed by Manny and the whole lot of them ran like chickens. As far as claiming one would have to keep their distance from the Klitschko's and Floyd, when calling them chickens, that only applies to the Klitschkos, who obviously are not chickens. On the other hand Floyd is just above a feather weight and many of us who are skilled fighters/grapplers, who are over 200 pounds, would make quick work of him. That's if we could ever catch that chicken :) Posted August 19, 2013 6:22 pmFrank FinnubianPacqy was the guy who could have put a lot of leather on Floyd with his awkward style and punches launched from every where. Freddie knew it too. TARKIt's not a matter of if May-Pac happens — it's a matter of when it happens. If Floyd beats Canelo and Matthysse and Pac beats Rios it WILL happen. Let's face it… If Canelo beats Floyd and Rios beats Pac — why couldn't Floyd and Pac fight anyway??? There's no law aginst it — and it would be a massive money fight in China even if they both came in losers. Posted August 19, 2013 6:09 pmteepeebottom line arum blow this fight long ago if pacman had balls and really wanted to fight he should have step to bob arum and demand the fight pluse Floyd don't need pac he washed up look who he fighting right now and who is the highest paid in sports Floyd so why do he need pac Posted August 19, 2013 6:00 pmGoochbottom line, we have heard this old story from mayweather, " pac had his chance", " pac on peds", pac lost to marquez and unworthy", "pac needs to sign to my promotion before i fight him" "i want 60/40″etc,etc. …how blind/ denial can a floyd fan be? mayweather wants no part of pac.name a boxer in the history of boxing with so many excuses not to fight the #1/#2 pound4pound guy for the last 5 years. Posted August 19, 2013 5:49 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)It doesn't look like an ATG heroic move when you avoid a smaller fighter for years who started as a little Flyweight (112lbs). Especially when you're naturally bigger, two inches taller and have a 5″ reach advantage. Pac should really be fighting at 140lbs, but wants to prove that he can consistently outbox and beat bigger men in the ring. So he STAYS at 147lbs — even after being robbed of his title vs. Bradley. "On June 21, 2012, the five WBO Championship Committee judges on the review panel announced that Pacquiao should have won his controversial defeat, with all scoring the fight unanimously in Pacquiao's favor — 117-111, 117-111, 118-110, 116-112 and 115-113. However, the WBO cannot overturn the result of the fight, so recommended a rematch between the fighters." And Pac NEVER vacated his WW title like a little b*tch to go back down and fight smaller Jr. WWs after big wins at 147lbs. That's the spirit and conduct of a REAL champion. Posted August 19, 2013 5:47 pmPEEJUnfortunately there where excuses and out door stadiums that needed to be built. Like I said Arum takes most the blame. When the so called agreed, Arum said not we need an out door stadium and time to promote it. The fight had been promoted for 2 and half years already. Posted August 19, 2013 5:30 pmPEEJYeah but Pac should of taken an L against Bradley the 3rd time Posted August 19, 2013 5:27 pmte tumbo"It's just as much Floyd's fault as it is Pac's….BUT," the primary difference is that Mayweather (and Canelo) assert control over their own careers. even if it means contradicting and/or educating their management and promoters. IF Pacquiao* Reeeally wanted this fight, he would've ordered it to happen and not hid behind his promoter's(?) utterly absurd excuses to avoid testing and Mayweather. however, Pacquiao* is not only content to follow Arum's lead but endorse it whenever he's asked. i can't imagine ANYbody leading Mayweather by a leash around the entire sport. His body, His career, His decision. i can only imagine Pacquiao* demonstrating the same integrity. Posted August 19, 2013 5:24 pmte tumboERNIE, remaining relevant will definitely persuade Mayweather to recalculate the odds of Pacquiao* ever facing him. after all, "monster financially" is at the core of Mayweather's matchmaking $trategy. Posted August 19, 2013 5:19 pmFEARSThey didn't fight when the whole world was begging for it, so who really cares now? I certainly don't; however, I would watch if it happens, but it will not be any bigger than Garcia/Mathyssee. Posted August 19, 2013 5:12 pmTitopaPEEJ – I do agree with that. It's just as much Floyd's fault as it is Pac's….BUT, Arum is the MAIN reason. Posted August 19, 2013 5:10 pmTomato CanWell lets see now, One guy fights through GBP, and the other through Top Rank. Now they both fight on different networks. This fight is futher from being made than it was before, even if Manny agrees to terms that he didn't agree to in the past. Posted August 19, 2013 5:10 pmTitopaMakes no sense now. If Floyd wins they'll just say, "you waited too long to fight him", "Pacquiao was damaged goods", "Pacquiao was over the hill", and blah blah blah! Posted August 19, 2013 5:08 pmraygordonreidWAY TOO late Posted August 19, 2013 5:00 pmSquared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)"Pac is on a 2 Fight LOSING streak anyway." NO. Anyone who knows anything about boxing realized and admits that PacMan beat Bradley and was ROBBED in the one of the most corrupt decisions in boxing history. That is NOT a legit two fight LOSING streak. Real talk. Posted August 19, 2013 4:55 pmIt's Me, ErnieIf the declining Pacman can stay relevant for a while longer, Money's last fight could be a monster financially. Posted August 19, 2013 4:52 pmte tumboat the moment, I don't even favor Pacquiao* to defeat a technically "smaller" opponent coming off of a loss. especially when Team Pacquiao* hints that they will improve on Alvarado's boxing performance and win v. Rios. however, Punching NOT boxing has always been Pacquiao's* fight-game. nobody should be surprised if Pacquiao* trying to outbox Rios ends up looking a lot like Berto trying to master the shoulder-roll defense v. Guerrero and LOSING in convincing fashion. Posted August 19, 2013 4:38 pmte tumbo"Mayweather Jr. is running out of formidable fan-approved opponents, who will he fight when there is no one left?" adding Pacquiao's* name to the equation doesn't alter the scenario. IMO, there already is nobody left to challenge Floyd below 160lbs. once upon a time, Pacquiao* was a viable opponent but after the best training camp of his career and the best performance of his rivalry v. Marquez (neither Manny* or Roach has backed away from that assertion) resulted in being victimized by the #1 KO in Boxing History, Floyd has recalculated the math, and a bout v. Pacquiao* no longer makes enough dollars or sense to be included in Mayweather's ATG ring-legacy. ultimately, NObody will ever make a credible argument that Mayweather "feared" or "ducked" Pacquiao* but didn't fear or duck Canelo. only two major wins by Pacquiao* v. two prominent opponents coming off of wins would result in Pacquiao* regaining his previous P4P $tature. Posted August 19, 2013 4:32 pmCORRECTAMUNDOBaldomir was rated HIGHER than Margarito. SO I APPLAUD Floyd for ducking the LESSER rated Fighter and facing the Higher rated opponent. More Boxers should learn how to DO that….IF Kovalev would have done it we would have seen him vs Hopkins instead of Cleverly. Posted August 19, 2013 4:25 pmCORRECTAMUNDOPac is on a 2 Fight LOSING streak anyway. He may not even be able to beat Broner. He SURE can't beat Canelo. SO Floyd already facing STIFFER competition than Pacquiao…..while Pacquiao faces #0 P4P Rios. Posted August 19, 2013 4:22 pmJunioAll parties involved are the reason(s) as to why this fight between Floyd and Pac didn't get made. Posted August 19, 2013 4:10 pmJunioE in Denver: I had to refresh on the debate. Article: Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito PEEJI also believe the blame falls on both parties. But I hold Arum more responsible than Pac or Floyd. Posted August 19, 2013 3:53 pmE in DenverPeej- Using hindsight Margarito is downgraded for cheating.. But nobody knew that when Jr came into the welter division. Margarito was a hell of a lot more deserving than Sharmba Mitchell at the time. Not to mention Jr was still under contract with Arum when that fight could have been made. Broner has shown that a contract with one network doesn't void out a fight with an outside network fighter & has the same manager as Jr. Williams was over-rated but no where near as much as Hatton. Williams was a welter for 8 years. Far longer than Jr has been in any division consecutively. Ticket wise Williams was at least as much of an attraction as Baldomir, Mitchell, Guerrero. Counting ticket sales is for promoters & their accountants. Posted August 19, 2013 3:53 pmBoxerI always said Floyd would beat pacman and I still think he can I think he lacks the confidence in himself to beat pacman, now even if Floyd beats Canelo his legacy still won't touch those of ray Robinson,Ali,Chavez,Leonard,Duran because 1 thing no Floyd fan including myself can argue is that Floyd didnt fight the best when they were at their best, and he wasn't a fighter that fought everybody and anybody he'd don't take those risk and those risks are what make you a champion Posted August 19, 2013 3:35 pmTARKGman… "Floyd never fought, Tszyu, Freitas, prime Mosley, Forrest, Williams, Margarito, and Pacquiao. He didn't fight them because of the following. Hatton retired Tszyu… Juan Diaz walked over Freitas like a doormat… Mosley turned down 3 earlier chances to fight Floyd… Forrest was whipped by Mayorga before Floyd ever arrived on the WW scene… Williams was upset by the inept Carlos Quintana… Cheato was a clown who got beaten by Santos, Williams, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mosley… Pacquiao only needed to beat Marquez and the Mayweather Fight was his… He got iced in 6. Floyd didn't fight Paulie Malignaggi either… I wonder why? Posted August 19, 2013 3:34 pmBRUCEBORING. Posted August 19, 2013 3:29 pmwearerofallthebeltsI hate to say it but you're right Peej. I think it's still an interesting fight depending on how Pac looks against Rios (a not-so-safe opponent choice by Team Pac in my opinion) but it isn't up to Mayweather to make it anymore. Things have changed. Pacquiao's team did nothing more to make the fight than Floyd's team so the blame for it not happening when it could have is equal. I do think Mayweather is just giving lip service now but until Pac has proven he has anything left then there is no way the fight should even be discussed any longer. Posted August 19, 2013 3:12 pmPEEJMargacheato never deserved the fight, he was a cheater and also he was with Arum so the fight was never going to get made. Freitas and Kostya where both with Showtime while Floyd was contracted to HBO at this time. Fight was not going to get made. He tried to fight a prime Mosley and DeLaHoya and they both declined. Williams was overrated and couldn't sell tickets anywhere. Not to mention he couldn't stay at a weight class long enough to get a fight with any champs. He kept jumping around. He should of stayed in one weight class and became a mandatory and a known name. He didn't. He was never in the same weight class as Forrest. Posted August 19, 2013 3:08 pmAirborneque5Gman, I'm a fan of Mayweather too. Those would have been some good fights for Floyd to get but I disagree with your logic. The reason that Floyd didn't fight alot of those guys is simple…Floyd hasn't always been in the driver's seat when it comes to getting the fights. As "Pretty Boy" Floyd, he was the one who couldn't land the big fights because of his weight class and lack of a good promoter. Tsyzu was heavier than Money in his prime and so was Freitas. Mosley was worried about DLH and Forrest. Williams was worried about Martinez. Margarito and Pac-man are the two fights that there is no excuse for… Posted August 19, 2013 3:08 pmPEEJNo need to fight Pac. He has already lost 2 fights in a row and one of them was a terrible KO. We don't even know if Pac can take a punch anymore. Pac and his team which is mainly Arum and Koncz kept coming up or having Pac come up with lame, ridiculous excuses. Everybody says well Floyd didn't want to ever fight him. Well all Pac had to do was accept the drug test to call his bluff and he didn't do that. And then when he so called did accept (Koncz still says they have never agreed to it) then Arum said well there needs to be an out door stadium built and the date was too soon. So there is always an excuse with there team. Floyd only asked for the testing. And then of course when Pacs fights weren't doing as well as they used to Floyd wanted a bigger piece of the pie. But that is economics. Posted August 19, 2013 3:05 pmGmanI like Mayweather but he never 100% wanted the Pacquiao fight. Like i said im a fan of his but its no coinsidence that he never faught, Tszyu, Freitas, prime Mosley, Forrest, Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao etc. So many fights that could have placed him as one of the greatest of all time but his ego gets in the way. Posted August 19, 2013 2:59 pmColMayweather will not go near Pacquiao while Manny has a pulse. Posted August 19, 2013 2:56 pmhusslemanTo be honest Pacman did have his chance. He did blow the showdown with Floyd! Posted August 19, 2013 2:50 pm |