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This review is from: Darwin's Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design (Hardcover)
Amazon has taken a couple of different lines at different times from this review and featured them on the main page. One of them ("One almost wants to shout ...") was ripped out of context -- it wasn't even the whole sentence. It made it seem as if I supported a certain position, which I clearly rejected in the part of the sentence they didn't include. I regret that I have been misrepresented this way, but I cannot control it. (The other line I have seen them feature is fine.) END OF JUNE 19 EDIT This is the book the evolutionists won't want you to read. It's too hot to handle: it might cause you to question whether evolution happened the way they say it did. And questions are horrible, right? This risky volume is Stephen C Meyer's latest challenge to theories of undirected/unguided evolution. I have to admit, though, that it took a few hundred pages for me to warm up to the adventure of reading forbidden material -- and that's because the first 80 percent or so of the book contains nothing but mainstream science. Sure, it raises serious doubts about unguided evolution's explanatory power, but where do those doubts come from? They come from Charles Darwin, to start with. The title of the book refers to the difficulty he had in explaining the Cambrian Explosion; the vast proliferation of new animal body plans (new "phyla") or major animal groupings) that appears in fossils in the Cambrian strata, deposited some 530 million years ago. These animals appear suddenly in the fossil record, without any plausible predecessor such as Darwin's theory predicted. Meyer quotes Darwin, "The difficulty of understanding the absence of vast piles of fossiliferous strata, which on my theory were no doubt somewhere accumulated before the Silurian [i.e., Cambrian] epoch, is very great. I allude to the manner in which numbers of species of the same group suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks." Darwin saw this accurately as a challenge to his theory. It remains one still. The animals appear too quickly in the record to be explained through his gradualistic theory. And it remains a challenge from the perspective of mainstream science. Various theories have been proposed in explanation of the suddenness with which these new phyla came on the scene. Perhaps selective fossilization caused their predecessors to disappear from paleontologists' view. Mainstream science casts serious doubt on that view. Statistical paleontology renders it deeply improbable. The soft-body hypothesis appears unlikely to succeed, since the evidence shows soft-bodied organisms have been frequently fossilized. Or maybe the Cambrian animals' precursors really are there in the record, in the form of exotic Ediacaran fossils. But these organisms are not clearly animals of any sort, and what they are is so in confusion that they could hardly be considered evidence for anything. Further, Meyer points out, "As *Nature* recently noted, if the Ediacaran fauna 'were animals, they bore little or no resemblance to any other creatures, either fossil or extant.' ... This absence of clear affinities has led an increasing number of paleontologists to reject an ancestor/dependent relationship between the Ediacaran and Cambrian fauna." Scientists have proposed genetic histories for these phyla, but as Meyer pointedly puts it, these scenarios all "assume a gene." And a lot more besides. That is to say, they beg the question of evolution's explanatory adequacy by assuming that it must be true. From there they suggest pathways according to which genes "must have" evolved. But there's no evidence of it in the record. I could go on summarizing chapter by chapter, but even in summary form it would lengthen this review beyond reason, and besides, the pattern remains the same: the hypotheses for explanations of the Cambrian explosion have been rejected -- by mainstream science. That's the account Meyer gives of it. I'm no expert in the field, but I have to admit it's convincing. The Cambrian Explosion remains unexplained on any standard terms. So if it's all basic science, what makes this book so hot? It's Meyer's suggestion that explanations need not be limited to standard terms; that the data might point to a Designer who intelligently guided the world to be the way it was 530 million years ago -- and by extension, today as well. That's a tough one for mainstream science to swallow. I think I can see, or rather almost rather feel, why that might be. There's a definite weirdness to the idea that God (yes, I'll identify him as the designer, even though that conclusion doesn't derive from ID) did something like that in our world. One almost wants to shout "Hey! Quit meddling with our world! Stick to your own reality, would you?" -- as if our reality were not first and above all God's. And I wouldn't be surprised if that same feeling might explain the anger that ID provokes. That anger was evident when Meyer's last book, Signature in the Cell, was published. Some time after its release I ran a quantitative analysis of Amazon customer reviews of the book. Here's some of the analysis, as of the time I conducted it: - Negative (1-star) reviews were significantly more likely to come from reviewers who definitely (31 percent) or likely (43 percent) hadn't read much of the book. Only 26 percent of 1-star reviews came from people who had definitely read it. - Theological considerations clearly motivated just 8 percent of 5-star rating reviews, but 51% (!) of 1-star criticisms. Only 9 percent of 1-star reviewers were able to avoid black/white, simplistic dogmatism in their statements, while 75% of positive reviewers avoided that kind of language. - And 86 percent of 1-star raters used personal pejorative language (accusations of stupidity, unthinkingness, or worse) with respect to Meyer or ID proponents generally. It adds up to a general response that could far better be characterized as emotional rather than reasoned; reacting rather than thinking; stereotyped rather than reflective. I'll be interested to see how the same kind of analysis pans out with this book. Signature in the Cell was too hot to handle; or at least, its Amazon.com critics handled it poorly. Darwin's Doubt promises to be just as hot to the touch -- even though most of it is really quite mainstream. It's that suggestion of a meddling Designer that bothers people: Again: One almost wants to shout "Hey! Quit meddling with our world! Stick to your own reality, would you?!" -- as if our reality were not first and above all God's. The problem with a book like Darwin's Doubt isn't its science. It's the suggestion that there might be more to reality than what we want to deal with. Comments
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T. Makinson says:
Thomas Gilson:
1) Everybody knows that "ID proposes that [God] was involved in the origination of [gaps that we say evolution can't explain] in the natural world." That ID's 'Intelligent Designer' is God, and that the "certain features" are a vague and equivocal coverall for the features that ID arguments claim that evolution cannot explain, is hardly a big secret. 2) Are you or Meyer claiming that Dawkins created the Cambrian body plans? If not, what Dawkins can, or cannot, do is irrelevant. There was no known intelligence around in the Cambrian, and the only purported one was God. Therefore, any claim that features of natural intelligence (or new knowledge about it) provide support for ID, or that ID is not a religious/supernatural argument, is spurious. 3) The "demand for a mechanism" is not question-begging. Natural intelligences implement their designs by natural mechanisms (e.g. creating arrowheads by chipping stone). Only by breaking the ID code of silence and admitting that the Intelligent Designer is God do you get around this. But that creates a whole heap of new problems. For example, (i) any purely supernatural hypothesis (i.e. one that does not make any purely natural claims -- e.g. that there was a worldwide flood) is unfalsifiable. (ii) We have no reliable knowledge of supernatural intelligence, therefore no reliable basis for claiming that it exists, let alone that our knowledge of natural intelligence in any way transfers to it. Finally, I make no apologies for not taking anybody seriously who simply repeats another's meaningless jargon or long-debunked claims. Nor do I apologise for referring to said repetition as "parroting". If that gets your knickers in a twist, then that's your problem. <Makey laughs unashamedly at Tommy and Pentzey>
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Jun 19, 2013 7:48:17 AM PDT
Thomas Gilson says:
Ummm, no, I'm not claiming that Dawkins created the Cambrian body plans. (This is a discussion about intelligence, after all, so let's try to keep it on that level.)
Your conclusion in point 2 does not follow from the premise. Simple as that. Your point 3 skips the transition between intelligence and physical action. "Intelligence" doesn't chip stone; human beings chip stone. You still need to think through how humans' intelligence operates to cause that, and I am quite sure you won't be able to describe any mechanism there. Point 3 also misses the point of what ID is and is not trying to claim. For more on that I suggest you read my article, "What's Wrong and What's Right with Intelligent Design:" http://www.thinkingchristian.net/posts/20
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FWIW, I just sent this message to Amazon customer service:
********** I wrote a review of Darwin's Doubt (http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Doubt-Expl That's only part of the sentence I wrote, and it turns my meaning upside down. The full sentence reads, "One almost wants to shout 'Hey! Quit meddling with our world! Stick to your own reality, would you?' -- as if our reality were not first and above all God's." Because the quote misrepresents what I wrote, I am asking you immediately to correct it. Note that this appears intermittently, or perhaps it only shows up on the Kindle page for the book. It's not always there when I look. But since it's wrong, and it misrepresents me, I'm asking you to ensure that it *never* appears. Thank you. **********
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Glen Davidson says:
Evolutionary processes in organisms lacking substantial horizontal gene transfers--such as in the eukaryotes of the Cambrian--enforce an extremely derivative inheritance, resulting in the nested hierarchies dominant in eukaryotic taxonomy.
What do we see in Cambrian life? The extremely derivative inheritance reflected in nested hierarchies, just as we see in most eukaryotes before and after the Cambrian. Meyer has no explanation for that--certainly not design, which is never constrained by inheritance as life is--thus he fails completely to solve any sort of problem, or even to put a dent into evolution. Creationists don't care, of course, hence they ignore such a blatant lacuna. Nevertheless, anyone who cares about science cares about causes and effects, and notes that genealogical trees extend throughout the metazoan world.
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Keb Shemp says:
Well, Rajkumar Pratab, since you put it that way - okay, Darwin was wrong.
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Jun 19, 2013 4:25:36 PM PDT
M. V. Hustad says:
Meyer isn't a creationist.
"anyone who cares about science cares about causes and effects" Which is the basis for much of the ID position. The only known cause for such complexity in any form is intelligence. Thats the point that everyone seems to love to ignore.
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Glen Davidson says:
"Meyer isn't a creationist."
Not only is he a creationist like other IDists are, he's an old-earth creationist who doesn't believe in common descent. It's true that you have to actually pay attention, and not simply parrot the line of the egregious IDists to know that, but what creationist pays attention to the facts? "'"anyone who cares about science cares about causes and effects' "Which is the basis for much of the ID position. The only known cause for such complexity in any form is intelligence. Thats the point that everyone seems to love to ignore." Says the creationist who ignores the fact that the only known cause (outside of genetic algorithms or other human attempts to mimic evolution) of the extremely derivative nature of life happens to be evolution. The fact is that any honest scientist identifies the effects of causes, then matches up those effects to those causes. Creationists do like you do, make blanket statements about causes--without demonstrating that these blanket statements are correct (that is, they simply analogize human causes to what are clearly quite unlike what is humanly caused--thus have no legitimate analogy)--ignore the very different aspects of effects that they find inconvenient, and then proclaim that they have proven something. The only thing they've proven is their lack of intellectual honesty, however. The fact is that if one were to blame any one or any group of humans for, say, creating P. falciparum, the most notorious cause of malaria, not only would this accusation be laughed out of court, few ID/creationists would fall for it either. But because they believe in a magic being that supposedly made things actually unlike humans do, they simply accept such a claim for the magic being. Any honest explanation simply has to account for the details, such as the extremely derivative nature of metazoan life. Evolution does, ID/creationism does not. That is the fact that you and Meyer want everyone to ignore.
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M. V. Hustad says:
If you're going to talk about honesty then be honest about what people actually say about themselves. Creationists believe in a literal view of of the book of Genesis. Read that book, then get back to me because its blatantly obvious you are doing so in order to reduce credibility. If somebody doesn't hold that view then they just aren't creationists. Its about as dumb as saying all muslims are darwinists. Thats how much sense it doesn't make.
"The fact is that any honest scientist identifies the effects of causes, then matches up those effects to those causes. Creationists do like you do, make blanket statements about causes--without demonstrating that these blanket statements are correct" Thats funny, because thats what darwinian evolutionists do for a living. Ultimately, you believe that the human brain/mind is the product of natural selection plus mutation. Thats what you hold to with little data and ALOT of speculation as support. Supposed future discoveries I guess. A mechanism that scientifically has yet to show much promise at all in its ability to produce what you and others believe it can. I'm sure you could cite a study of some kind that extrapolates limited data into amazing far reaching conclusions, or you could also cite common ancestry and a plethora of other evidences for your position but ultimately we are going to have to deal with the details, the mechanisms behind the theory in order for it actually make any headway in a scientific sense. Testable, repeatable that is. The types of problems that engineers, developers, etc.. have to deal with every single day with things that are far, far less complex than what we are talking about in this discussion. Its really not that hard to see why the public has such a hard time accepting this view while having virtually no problems with conclusions in other fields. Other fields of science use experimentation and real time data to support their conclusions while darwinists use stories, exaggerations and censorship to support theirs. I applaud them though at how good they are at it. Getting people to believe that something as ridiculously complex as the human brain(among other things) is the product of something as inefficient and in adequate as darwinian evolution would have to be a full time job. "Says the creationist who ignores the fact that the only known cause (outside of genetic algorithms or other human attempts to mimic evolution) of the extremely derivative nature of life happens to be evolution. " <<< How is this not a blanket statement? Why should I agree with this more than another position that explains the same thing through more plausible means? Humanity, by its very definition, cannot MIMIC evolution. That would be a case of ID. A mind(s) involved in manipulation of such a thing to a certain end would immediately disqualify it as such. Starting from something complex, an intelligence, and then ending with an intelligence is exactly what I believe. I just throw out all the BS in between that you think is good science.
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M. V. Hustad says:
"Any honest explanation simply has to account for the details, such as the extremely derivative nature of metazoan life. Evolution does, ID/creationism does not."
How exactly does evolution deal with the details and the mechanistic problems of creating life as well as all the details missing between then and now?
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A vampire dog, a human spaceship hybrid and a half fish, half human. These are some of the things that you will read about in Jeff Carlson's short story collection called Long Eyes. This anthology according to the author is the book no one wanted him to publish except his fans. Long Eyes includes all of Jeff Carlson's short stories from when he first started writing to the present day.
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I have to admit even though I enjoyed all of Jeff Carlson's stories that I've previously heard on podcasts or read in magazines I was a little apprehensive about reading Long Eyes. I do like science fiction but I find a lot of it goes over my head and I thought that might be the case with the stories in this anthology. Not only was every story excellent but none of them left me feeling confused as to what was going on. Long Eyes is very well written and shows how a great science fiction anthology should be.
One theme I found that seems to run through all of the stories here is loneliness. There is usually one character in each story that doesn't fit in with what is considered normal. A good example of that is in the title story Long Eyes. Which tells the tale of a woman named Clara who is physically connected to a space ship. Clara has been traveling through space for 600 years before landing on a planet and being attacked by humanoid creatures. Clara sees the potential in these humanoids and has to decide whether to help the creatures become more then they are or put in a distress call in to help her leave the planet.
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In recent years sweet corn has been modified so that it has a long shelf life and a reasonable flavor, which I find insipid. Seneca Chief a hybrid is my favorite. Obtaining seed can be difficult. After growing various types of the modified corn, all were found to be inferior in my opinion. The pictures depict my planting method.Durgan
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Programs and ReviewsHutong School provides study, volunteer, and internship options in Beijing and Shanghai, China. Students from all around the world join Hutong School for personalized Chinese lessons. Classes begin at the beginning of every month, and students have the chance to learn Chinese at their own pace!
Hutong School's professional internships are geared towards students looking for an international internship experience in Beijing. Hutong has partnered with national and multi-national companies to provide students with hands-on experience during their time abroad. Check out the options below to see which one is right for you!
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Submitted on 12/11/2014 by Rhea | Yes, I would recommend this programAfter studying Mandarin at SOAS University in London(a hilarious but unfortunate name as SOAS means STD in Dutch..) I decided to further develop my language skills in Beijing and my choice of institute was The Hutong School.
The Hutong School not only offer language classes (from beginner to advanced) but also help with accommodation, visa (which is a little more complicated when not visiting for tourism), finding cheap tickets and anything you could possibly need help with. They also organise social events, which is nice when living somewhere you don't actually know anyone.
After a 10+ hour flight with a short stopover in Helsinki I arrived early in the morning. I picked up my suitcase, made my way to the exit and looked for the Hutong School representative.
The representative in question was no less than Bruce Lee himself. No, I'm serious, 1.71m, black hair, died 41 years ago.. Well, I guess the name was just a mere coincidence. Anyways, Bruce Lee was just lovely and I would meet him quite a few times during my stay in Beijing.
He took me to my apartment and on top of being picked up by China's most famous actor,Bruce informed me that my neighbour was none other that Jackie Chan himself! I staked out but never caught a glimpse..My apartment was located in Dongzhimen, a really nice and central location only 4 bus stops from the school, 2 stops to Tiananmen Sq. and 2 tube stops from Dongsi and Dengshikou where I usually stay when in Beijing.
The apartment was, as I guess could have been expected, not quite as "nice" as presented on the website. There were cockroaches, it was dirty and located in a building that was generally pretty run down. However, this too had it's charm and as the location was great and a proper clean improved it a lot, I called it home.I had 4 roommates; a Dutch guy who arrived the same day I did and would be there for 4 months doing an internship at the Dutch embassy whist learning Chinese, two Columbian brothers who had been in Beijing for 7 months, an American guy who had lived in China for 2 years already and worked for The Hutong School at the time.
After settling in, Bruce took me to register with the local police, as a "resident" you need to register and always carry this form with you. He quickly showed me where the supermarket was and took me to The Hutong School to get a level assessment, arrange my schedule and to meet my teachers.
The school is, well, on the contrary of what one would expect and is implied by the name, not actually located in the Hutongs (traditional Chinese style courtyards & houses), but located on Sanlitun bar street - probably the most popular tourist street in Beijing - think Kao San Rd in Bangkok. Not to mention the school, quite opposite of a house in the Hutongs, is a massive skyscraper with The Hutong School located on the 15th floor. Obviously less charming but it did make for great views.I had a 2 hour private class every day and my teachers were just lovely (as were the rest of The Hutong School staff my I add).Being in China and constantly being immersed in Chinese improved my Mandarin so much.
How could this program be improved?
Definitely cleaner apartments (cockroach free!), better lesson plans & guidance and more activities.
Female | Age: 19-24 | United Kingdom | School of Oriental and African StudiesResponse from Hutong School to Rhea
Dear Rhea,
Many thanks for your review. As we always strive to keep improving our services, we mostly appreciate any feedback! I'm happy to hear you enjoyed your stay at Hutong School and I hope you still keep speaking Chinese!
As for the apartment, cockroaches unfortunately are inevitably present in Asia. We were however aware of the problem, and the apartment has been made cockroach free.
As you mention, we can improve our lesson plans & guidance, I touched base with our education staff in Beijing, and they didn't receive any complaints from you regarding this during your stay. We would be happy to know why you were unhappy with your lesson plan and the guidance you received so we can make improvements for our future students. Feel free to shoot us an email anytime (email@example.com).
Thanks again for the review Rhea and wishing you all the best!
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Program: Hutong School Internships in China10 / 10 Overall Rating
Perfect Program to study chinese and to have an oversea experience
Submitted on 12/01/2014 by Sylvain D. | Yes, I would recommend this programI had really great time studying at Hutong School. The teacher, Mo laoshi, is really comprehensive and very friendly.
My internship was really interesting, integrating an international team and developing new projects! Thanks for all the staff!Male | Age: 19-24 | Paris | Other -
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Submitted on 11/14/2014 by Amerigo Quatrini | Yes, I would recommend this programWhen i first applied online to the courses the first thought i had was "people will be cold and heartless, foreigner school in china...doesn't sound like a good deal".
I couldn't have been more wrong. The first contact with the staff was through email and since i haven't had any problem whatsoever dealing with them about anything.
I had few issue appling for my visa but i've been helped a lot by the kindness of the staff who supported me since the first email i've sent them.
I arrived in the middle of the night and there was a guy from the school waiting for and saving me from the savageness of being a new "laowai" in the airport - if you've ever been in southern Asia, it feels the same: taxi drivers touching, screaming at you and overly concerned airport staff that look a bit suspicious -.
Anyhow, as soon as i started classes i realised how it feels like home to be at hutong school, how people is always there for you.
Classes themselves are small and cozy, teachers are usually around my age or so and usually extremely friendly.
As a matter of fact my teacher was so concerned about my health she brought me straight to the nearest farmacy and dealt with the ladies at the counter - and also helped to communicate with them suggesting words -.
Hutong school is simply an extrimely good place to study in, nice people around great staff and heaps of free extra activities that make you feel they really care about you.
Such a shame i can't afford to stay more at the moment, i'd love to stay here 'till my chinese gets decent!How could this program be improved?
Probably accommodation system could be improved.
A little minority of people, which i belong with, is financially self-supporting and i believe that there's should be a wider choice of sharing-house. I woulnd't mind to share a double room if its costed less. Simply as that, there's people who don't really mind sharing a room and save a bit of money for the everyday life as there's a lot of people asking for more privacy.Male | Age: 19-24 | Shanghai, China | N/A -
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Submitted on 11/14/2014 by Ella Est | Yes, I would recommend this programSince I started to learn Chinese in my home country, I knew I would go and visit China one day. Back then, I didn't know how quickly my wish would be fulfilled. Because of given circumstances, I took the chance and chose to take the internship program at Hutong School. I must say, I do not exaggerate when I tell you: I had the time of my life!
Starting from the beginning, I have to say, that this school was the only Chinese language school located in China that fulfilled all my wishes and needs from the beginning: not only that I had the chance to gain professional work experience, I also could decide whether I would like to take additional Chinese classes. Moreover, they offered accomodation, trips around the city, and 24/7 service was included.
Honestly, this school was the only school that offered all this (and even more) for a reasonable price.After my arrival, I had (and still have) a great time! Of course, China is a beautiful country that is totally worth to go, with their wonderful and interesting culture, history, sights and landscapes (and food!!). However, the staff from Hutong School do their best to make my time here even better. My work from the internship placement is diverse and interesting, my colleagues are lovely and help me out whenever I messed up something (which happens a bit often, but noone complained yet and I won't complain that noone complained yet!)
The Hutong School team always tries to help me out with any issues I have and they make my time here as comfortable as possible. I heard stories from other students who told me the same so I can tell: They're really there for you!
Last but not least: My Chinese lessons. To be honest, I'm not the most hardworking student, but my teacher never loses her temper and her lessons are always varied and interesting. I learn a lot about the Chinese culture from the first hand.
The only thing I could complain would be the accomodation. I share a great apartment with two very nice roommates, a nice (but small, but the sizes varies) sleepig room and two bathrooms(!), which prevents a lot of struggle, especially when there are only girls in a shared apartment! :) Nevertheless, some of my other schoolmates (if only a few) didn't really like theirs.
Further, the kitchenware wasn't too much. At least not enough to cook a big meal. Since I really like to cook, I am not too hapy with this (though it's very cheap to buy this on your own).
However, I hear that the staff already works on both issues so I don't think, this will be a huge problem for future students.To sum it up:
Do I like China? Oh yes!
Do I recomment Hutong School? You bet!
Would I go to Hutong School again? Absolutely!Female | Age: 19-24 | Germany | OtherResponse from Hutong School to Ella Est
Dear Ella Est,
Many thanks for your nice review. I can speak for the entire team of the Shanghai office when I say it is (has been) a great pleasure having you here!
All our apartments are equipped with basic cooking utensils, but we're indeed looking to expand them.
Lazy student or not, don't give up on your Chinese language learning, whatever your next move will be after finishing your internship!
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Submitted on 04/16/2014 by Nikai | Yes, I would recommend this programI spent a month in the Beijing branch, improving my Chinese. The atmosphere is pretty good at Hutong school. The school is not that big and there are enough activities so that it's pretty easy to meet other students and spend time with them.
The majority of students are probably in their 20's, staying for 1 to 3 months and have no prior knowledge of Chinese. If you're looking for a good time in a gap year/exchange period, Hutong school is a good place to be, however for me, it was also important to improve my chinese.
If there is a group for your level (for beginners there always is), you have 2 hours of speaking class and 2 hours of character class. The groups are usually small enough (2-5) to make for an intensive experience. If you want private classes, you can have 1 hour of private class instead of 2 hours of group class as well.
What I really liked about Hutong school is that the teachers/staff are quite flexible towards your lesson program. For example: If you are somewhat advanced in speaking but neglected learning characters, you could take 3-4 hours of character class and after you catch up, change back to normal. This is extremely useful for the non-beginner student who knows in which areas he's lacking, and something you can't get in a cookie cutter course at a Chinese university.
The private classes are also excellent. It really gives you a chance to make your own lesson. The standard group classes follow a textbook approach, but in your private class you can do whatever you like, from discussing movies to conversation drills, to grammar exercises. The teachers are really great, as they are willing to try a lot of things.
How could this program be improved?
The accommodation is really not as modern as the website states. The first apartment I was put in when I arrived was quite depressing. After explaining the situation to Hutong, they showed me another apartment and let me decide if I wanted to move there. Glad I did, it was much better, looked like a home instead of a run down warehouse.
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Submitted on 03/20/2014 by Mirjam Samland | Yes, I would recommend this programAfter I decided that I wanted to study Chinese, I decided to take part in the Intensive Chinese Course for 2 months at the Hutong School in Beijing. It was a great decision and was the best eight weeks of my life. The teachers are very good and it's amazing how much you learn in 8 weeks. The small groups made it very easy to learn. The employees of the Hutongschool are always there for us and they are helpful in many areas. The activities at the school outside the classroom are very entertaining and well worth your time. You meet people from all over the world and I have many friends from all over the world!
A day in the life at Hutong School: My classes were in the morning and then I met up for lunch with my classmates and roommates and then went back to class. The classes always flew by because they was so much fun! After just 3 weeks we could understand Chinese much better. After class we went to dinner and depending on the activities the school had planned; such as cooking classes, KTV, lectures or film evenings. On the weekends, we went sightseeing. A highlight of every month was the welcome party for the new students...we were always up till the early morning for those occasions. A special highlight for us was that we were experienced the Chinese New Year in Beijing and had lots of fun celebrating!
When the eight weeks came to an end it was very hard to go back to Germany, but I've already decided that in 2 years if I have to spend my compulsory year abroad, I will go back to the Hutong School in China.
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Shanghai School: Very good experience
Submitted on 02/15/2014 by Jose-Miguel | Yes, I would recommend this programAnother student noted that the biggest highlight of the program were the teachers. That they were really nice and became not only instructors, but friends as well. I agree, but I must add that, for me, the Secretariat staff was just as lovely and dedicated. I thank them all for the trouble they took to help me every time it was needed.
I didn't take an Intensive Course but a half-Intensive Course or so in order to make it affordable for me. Quite enough to make noticeable progress; I thank the staff in charge for allowing me this option.How could this program be improved?
I agree with some comments about the living conditions being something that could be improved, although I was told they would be. The apartment was good indeed but the location less so, and when I arrived I wasn't given the apartment that I was kindly previously told and so was expecting.
There was no airport pick-up service for me because I didn't arrive on a certain Course starting date, too bad.Male | Age: 51 or older | Spain, Argentina, Switzerland, China | Complutense University of Madrid -
10 / 10 Overall Rating
Because of the quality of Hutong I am returning
Submitted on 02/08/2014 by Heinz Schulz | Yes, I would recommend this programWhen there were any difficulties or misunderstandings they were handled politely straight away.
Two hundred characters is a very long request. I prefer to write in telegram form, this saves time for the writer and the reader.
One could write a book. The more that is written the more it can be misread and misinterpreted.
There are some people who have developed the art of writing and or speaking all day and longer with out saying anything.
however, this is valuable to some.
How could this program be improved?
Make sure that there is more air in the class room.
Male | Age: 51 or older | South Australia | University of Adelaide
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Alumni Interviews
Staff Interview
What position do you hold at Hutong School? What has your career path been like so far?
Amy: I started off at Hutong School as a general intern; a fantastic experience where I was able to learn from different aspects of the company. After my internship, I was ecstatic to be offered a full time position as Admissions and Sales Officer which soon developed into a Program Consultant role. I thoroughly enjoyed my role, as it was very rewarding being in direct contact with students to assist them every step of the way as they prepare for their trip to China.
However when a new role in the marketing department came up, I decided to take this great opportunity! My personal progress and development within this company has been both fast and rewarding, and I feel like I am continuously learning. I feel fortunate to be working for Hutong School where we have a great team and hard-working attitude.
What separates Hutong School from other language study programs?
Amy: At Hutong School, you will not only learn Mandarin from a team of passionate and knowledgeable teachers, but you will also be able to discover China in a unique and fun way by participating in our many cultural events and activities alongside friends you will make from all over the world.
Our friendly multi-national community here ensures we look after all of our students from day one in order to give you an experience you won't forget. If you want high-quality learning, a reliable support network and memories to last a lifetime, you should definitely choose Hutong School!
What are some trends you've noticed in the language study and internship market? What can students gain from studying Mandarin?
Amy: Its rising importance on the global stage has enabled China to continue being a top destination. China's rapidly growing economy has helped to facilitate the attraction of overseas tourists and entrepreneurs alike over recent years, and one thing that has been clear is that those with Mandarin language skills are often at a competitive advantage, particularly when it comes to business.
Mandarin is the most spoken language on Earth and that is why learning to speak it should be in the interest of anyone who wishes to develop themselves either personally or professionally. To be able to communicate with one fifth of the world definitely opens up more doors and opportunities!
What is one piece of advice you would offer someone considering studying Mandarin in China?
Amy: Be patient and open-minded, and get ready to start seeing the world and its people in a whole new way! This experience will challenge you and change you in the most positive way.
For once, do jump on the bandwagon and get yourself to China!! You will not regret it :)!