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Despite the fact that Greek immigrants who were to work in the textile mills and shoe factories of Lowell did not begin to arrive in America until the early 1890s, starting in 1900 they became a significant ethnic force in labor disputes and strikes. At first, being new arrivals who urgently needed and wanted to work, they avoided labor disputes that would idle them, and remained at their jobs. Mill managers, as they had done with other ethnic immigrant groups, used the Greeks as strikebreakers, knowing their reluctance to participate in labor turmoil and thus jeopardize the jobs that they so desperately needed. Naturally, they aroused anger, resentment, and hostility in the workers whom they had displaced. But the displaced workers, the union people, the mill managers, all misjudged the Greek immigrants. Because they needed jobs, the mill overseers assumed that they would meekly comply with company edicts on workloads and pay indefinitely. The overseers saw unskilled workers willing to work at menial jobs at low pay and therefore puppets to be manipulated for profit. What a gross miscalculation – brought on by ignorance of the character of these new immigrants. They accepted their lot philosophically, but most importantly, only temporarily.
First and foremost, from the highest to the lowest person, each believed that they bore a proud cultural heritage: Greece, the Cradle of Western Civilization. They bore first names that reminded them of that heritage – Demosthenes, Socrates, Aristotle, Plato. They recited tales: of the poet Homer who wrote of mighty Achilles, beautiful Helen, tragic King Priam of Troy; of Alexander the Great who conquered the ancient world; of Emperor Constantine who ruled the great Byzantine Empire from Constantinople. They would not demean that proud legacy by acting meanly.
Toil to extract a living from the rocky, arid, unyielding soil of Greece had bred independence and self-sufficiency in them because of their individual ability to survive. They knew the worth of their labor and resented when someone tried to cheat them or use them for less. Respecting themselves, they also respected fellow workers and supported any just grievances. Four hundred years of Turkish occupation had left many lessons to be passed from generation to generation; lessons of injustice by powerful men, of greed by rich men, of duplicity by political men, of hypocrisy by learned men. The Greeks learned, even as they listened to words, to judge the motives, as they did when they listened to the words of the overseers. Once they obtained a foothold in the mills, they not only refused to let the mill overseers use them to browbeat fellow workers, whether Greek or non-Greek, but they also placed themselves in the front ranks of protesting workers. What gnashed teeth and muttered oaths from those who had hired the "docile" Greeks.
On March 2, 1903, the Lowell Textile Council, a skilled textile workers' union, asked the major mills of Lowell to give the approximately 17,000 to 20,000 mill operatives a ten-percent raise, as the Council had asked the year before. Since the average pay was about eight dollars a week, a raise meant eighty cents. The mills again refused and the Council voted to strike on March 30,1903. The morning newspaper, the Lowell Morning Citizen (price one cent), headlined, "MILL WHEELS ARE SILENT," and subheadlined, "Greatest Labor Struggle in City's History Begins."
In the days before the actual strike, as the mill representatives threatened to fire strikers and replace them with unskilled workers, the mostly unskilled Greek mill workers emerged as a significant ethnic force because it appeared that they would act united, whatever side they chose. However, their exact number was unknown. Newspaper accounts differed from official census reports. The Lowell Morning Citizen (March 21, 1903) stated that 3,500 Greeks worked in the cotton mills. Yet the Massachusetts State Census of 1905 listed a total of 2,093 Greeks in Lowell (1,738 male, 355 female) in a Population of 100,000 people. Whatever the total and the number of cotton mill workers, they figured prominently in the newspapers before and during the strike. That same article stated that practically none of the Greeks belonged to unions and that most opposed a strike because they had not worked long enough to save any of their earnings to use as emergency income.
Two days later (Monday, March 23), the weavers met at Loomfixer's Hall (Merrimack and Kirk Streets), and a Jules Duchesne spoke in English and French. Then a Greek who had given his card to a secretary so that his name could be pronounced spoke in his tongue. He said he was president of the Greek Social Club and that he could call the Greeks out on strike. On Friday, in the same hall, over three hundred Greeks listened to speeches by members of their social club who urged them to strike with the unions. All day Saturday and Sunday they gathered in the coffeehouses and on the sidewalks of Dummer and Market Streets to discuss the strike, heatedly and excitedly.
The Lowell Morning Citizen reported the events. One outside observer said, "They (the Greeks) favor high wages, but won't commit themselves to an outsider on whether they'll stay out Monday morning." A prominent community figure, Michael Iatron, advised, "If you belong to a union, stick with it and go out. If independent, wait until another nationality takes the initiative." He added, "Greeks can stand a long strike. They've saved their money. I judge they have seventy-five thousand dollars in the banks." Most wanted the higher wages, and so sympathized with the union, but a sizable number still hesitated, fearing to lose their pay, perhaps even their jobs. When a bachelor Greek berated one of his patrioti – for only a close fellow villager could accuse another of timidity without a fight – the married man replied scornfully, "Neh, Neh, my friend, for you it's the ninth of the month (only carefree days). Today Ioannis and his bouzouki, and Sophia and her sly eyes welcome you and your dollars at the beeraria (beer parlor). But wait," the man shook his head knowingly, "wait until tomorrow, until you have a wife and children. Then you'll sing like a crow and dance like a jackass to the cacophony of the weaving room."
The bachelor laughed and slapped his thigh with his palm as he would slap his heel if he were dancing. "Can I help myself! The music frees me and lifts me, and I rise into the air and land softly back."
"Like a mountain goat which does it better," said the married man dryly.
"Your menagerie grows. I'll let you tend them and the weaving looms. I'll not become a hamali (lowly laborer)." As most prophecies about life extracted from experience, their words came partly true for each of them and for each other.
At the Sunday meeting (the day before the strike) of the Textile Council, for the first time Greek delegates represented the Greek colony (as the papers called the Greek community). Monday the unions struck; all the major mills shut their doors, except the Lawrence. An assembly of seven hundred Greeks at the Loomfixer's Hall voted to cooperate in the strike and not to ask for any financial assistance from the unions. The unions were surprised and elated. To paraphrase a union official quoted in the Citizen, "The Greek lives a life of economy; he saves. He's not shy about running to the overseer to demand what's due him. It may seem cheaper to get the Greeks over here, but the bargain will prove costly for the mill agents."
For the Greeks, cooperation in the strike meant involvement. On Wednesday, April 8, 1903, the main headline of the Morning Citizen read, "RIOTOUS SCENE OF THE STRIKE CAUSED BY GREEKS AT LAWRENCE GATE." A number of Greeks had gone to work in the Lawrence Hosiery, as well as some ring spinners of other nationalities, which infuriated those who were staying out of the mills. Five hundred of them waited at the gates at 6:00 P.M., and when the mill operatives appeared, they began to jeer and jostle the workers. Crowds of people rapidly gathered by the hundreds. Special police, reinforced by regular police, pushed the crowd, grown to ten thousand, to the intersection of Merrimack and Cabot Streets. Four Greeks (Louis Condos, Louis Pappas, Peter Sarris, Costas Markopoulos) were arrested and booked on the charge of obstructing the streets. About a week later, hundreds joined Constantine Anton, a parade marshal, and thousands of other workers in a march to support the strike. To what purpose? The State Board of Arbitration ruled that the mills, except for the Lawrence, could not afford to give a wage increase. The ruling hit the strikers a body blow; many shouted, "a low blow!" The mills stiffened their stance, and economic hardships increased for the workers. Slowly, both union and nonunion workers returned to their jobs. The strike of 1903 collapsed. Just cause, enthusiasm, and large numbers could not overcome the lack of industrywide organization and unified strike actions. Lessons were learned, but at a cost, especially to a dedicated few. As a warning to future potential strikers, selected strikers were not rehired; or if rehired, they were fired abruptly at some later time at the mills' convenience and probably satisfaction.
During the next few years, sporadic strikes occurred with increasing frequency as workers struggled, not only to survive, but to live with dignity. In early April 1907, two hundred and twenty-five Greeks went on strike at the Bigelow Carpet Company on Dutton Street. Strikebreakers were brought from Nashua, but they left the building without taking their coats off. The Greeks retained Constantine Anton to represent them. He said to the Lowell Morning Citizen, "They didn't want to strike, but the men make only six dollars and eighty cents a week for dangerous work in the dye house. The clouds of vapor are so dense that they can't see four feet in front of them."
The Bigelow Carpet Company discharged the strikers and declared that "NO MORE GREEKS" would be hired. Also, the company would pay other nationalities eight dollars a week for the same work. A company spokesman complained that the Greeks were not a "find," as previously thought, and that they stood together when wages were an issue.
A few days later, the strikers followed home six Lithuanians who had been hired to replace them. The Lithuanians did not appear for work the next day. In May, Bigelow Carpet Company declared a five-percent wage increase for one thousand workers, and also stated publicly that none of the Greek strikers had been rehired. Once again, a demand for fair wages had cost the Greeks jobs and money.
Other immigrant groups also suffered the loss of jobs and money in labor disputes and strikes. Lawrence (Massachusetts) was a sister mill city of Lowell downriver on the Merrimack River. There, as in other textile cities, the poverty from low wages and the indignity of long hours and miserable working conditions had left a powder trail of worker resentment and anger. In January of 1912, the mill owners provided the spark that exploded into the Bread and Roses Strike by cutting workers' pay because the Massachusetts State Legislature reduced the mill working hours from fifty-six to fifty-four. A Lawrence newspaper solicited pay envelopes to determine the average mill wages. As reported in the Lowell Courier-Citizen (January 19, 1912, page one), the largest wage was $7.06 and the lowest was $3.06 for fifty-six hours. The bitter and violent struggle lasted for two months. During that time, a series of violent events occurred. A woman was shot – the first fatality. Troops charged a group of strikers with bayonets drawn. A Syrian was bayoneted by a soldier and died of his wounds. Armed men attacked police. Cavalry patrolled the streets and harassed strikers. Thousands of strikers and sympathizers staged marches and demonstrations leading to confrontation with the police and the militia.
John Spanos: "A friend of mine and I went to Lawrence one day to see the big parade by the workers who were on strike. The workers were marching to the cemetery; I guess some had gotten killed. When the workers reached the cemetery, the cops didn't try to stop them. There was no trouble that day."
All during the strike, two unions fought each other for the right to lead and speak for the strikers: The Central Labor Union, affiliated with the American Federation of Labor (AFL), and the Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.). The AFL was formed in 1886 based on the principle of organizing workers in craft unions. During the ensuing years, critics criticized it for being too conservative and for failing to give unskilled workers a voice by organizing them in industrywide unions, and indeed, many times opposing any such attempts. The I.W.W. (Wobblies), founded in 1905, consisted mainly of unskilled laborers and strongly advocated the use of the general strike, and if necessary, sabotage. Its leaders were seen by businessmen as dangerous radicals and accused them and those affiliated with them as subversive and un-American. Its president, William D. (Big Bill) Haywood, had formerly led the Western Federation of Miners. His violent and bloody experiences fighting against the mining companies, which were many times supported by police and militia, had convinced him that only by strikes and battles could the workers gain and keep their rights. On February 28, 1912, the Courier-Citizen headlined, "LOWELL WILL BE NEXT SAYS LEADER HAYWOOD." The I.W.W. began to recruit in Lowell; twenty-five cents to become a member, ten cents a week dues. It claimed that it had over one thousand Portuguese as members, but the Poles stayed with the AFL. The Greeks remained unaffiliated.
On March 25, the Lowell cotton mills, seeking to head off a strike, revealed a purported six to eight percent wage increase. The I.W.W., demanding fifteen percent, denounced the offer as spurious, and its members in the Appleton Mills, mostly Portuguese and Lithuanians, struck. The next day, the Lowell mills locked out all the workers and the general strike began in Lowell. Throughout the four full weeks of the strike, two unions vied for the allegiance of the workers, the I.W.W. and the UTW (United Textile Workers, affiliated with the AFL). The leaders denounced each other almost daily. Haywood blasted UTW President John Golden as an ineffectual do-nothing; Golden attacked Haywood as a ruthless violent radical. The Greeks, though they welcomed a wage increase, were suspicious of the I.W.W. and its methods, but also shied away from the UTW. They never formally joined either union, though they were wooed by both and fully supported the strike.
Showing a solidarity that in the 1920s would be shattered by endemic religious and political quarrels, the Greeks coalesced around one spokesman, Dr. George A. Demopoulos, and obeyed his edicts throughout the strike. His words were reported in the local papers. "You stay together in the Greek section of the city and stay away from meeting where there are members of the I.W.W. I will say to them, the Greeks will cooperate with them insofar as striking is concerned, but will have nothing to do with them." He accepted the leadership on the condition that "you promise to hurt not even a fly." As the strike continued, he exhorted the Greeks, "Stand firm and do not break the strike so that other nationalities will not think us dishonorable people." He repeated his pleas for nonviolence, "Be peaceful and avoid the least disturbances; and victory, respect, and estimation of the public will be ours." He took action to help the Greek strikers. He wrote to Greek newspapers in New York City to solicit funds; sent advance notices of his intent to solicit funds to other Greek communities; established a headquarters in his building where striking Greeks could go for help; and visited Greek grocers to arrange for credit, up to three months if necessary, and at lower prices for food.
William Hayward and the I.W.W. leadership believed that the strike's ultimate success depended upon Greek support, and they constantly kept this belief in mind. When the I.W.W. moved from their original headquarters at Market and Central Streets, they relocated in the heart of the Greek colony in a building at the comer of Market and Hanover Streets. Their leaders continually sought Greek help. One of the most effective organizers for the I.W.W. was a young Irish woman, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn.
John Spanos: "The organizer was an Irish woman, Elizabeth Flynn. She was a beautiful woman, about twenty-five years old, and very smart. She had a room at the Waverly Hotel. She used to hold meetings there and I'd go sometimes, with others, of course, to listen to her talk. When she talked to us, we kept quiet; you could hear a whisper."
After Dr. Demopoulos permitted the I.W.W. to address the Greek strikers, the union leadership chose her, a woman, to speak to what would be a predominantly male audience. This choice certainly showed their tremendous confidence in her oratory. Did the choice also spring from someone's knowledge, or intuition, of a personal volatility that might ignite between her, an alofili (a non-Greek), an Americanitha (an American), and the Greek male in the audience? The Greeks would listen to her courteously. She was a guest in a Greek home, the Holy Trinity Church, but could she influence them? The likeliest first choice should have been President William Hayward or organizer William Trautmen, both effective and experienced crowd exhorters. They would have at least raised the pride of the strikers at being addressed and wooed by the top leaders. The Greek immigrants had been born and raised in a patriarchy, and living in America had not significantly lessened the primary role of the Greek male in Greek male-female relationships, especially in matters outside the family home. A large number of the audience were from Peloponnesus in southern Greece who had constituted the first large influx of Greek immigrants in the early 1900s. In southern Greece, patriarchy was rooted as tenaciously as the native olive trees that grew out of the rocky soil for thousands of years. Yet even their patriarchal belief sometimes wavered, sometimes collapsed temporarily, when confronted by competent and confident American females such as Elizabeth Flynn or other I.W.W. organizers such as Pearl McGill and Elodre Coppens. During one noon hour, twenty-five young men, led by Miss Pearl McGill and Mrs. Coppens, marched up and down Market Street four abreast shouting and singing the I.W.W. songs. Then there was the attraction of the "Americanitha," excluding the physical, though sometimes skirting or touching it, that emanated from her seeming freedom to act as she wanted, coupled with a seeming inaccessibility to the male Greek immigrant because of language and economic class barriers.
In the crowded church basement, Dr. Demopoulos first elicited a resounding voice-vote in support for the fifteen-percent wage-increase demand. Then he introduced Elizabeth Gurley Flynn to a thunderous ovation, and he stood by her side during her speech and translated her words. Irish mellifluousness surged into Greek impassion. She reminded them of the blue skies and warm climate they had left to come and live in the Acre in old disease-infected tenements, of how they had to starve themselves because of low wages in order to save money to bring their families to America. She appealed to their ethnic pride, "Are you, the descendants of the original democracy of the world, going to bring your vigor and manhood into this country to be worn out by a few years of work in the mills... ?" The crowd shook the church building with their cheers, and she left followed by the emotional shouts of "ZITO!" (Long live!) Still, the Greeks later listened to Dr. Demopoulos and followed his advice throughout the strike.
Though women such as Elizabeth Flynn organized and led both male and female strikers, the ethnic female mill workers in the early 1900s, except for a few, played a subdued role and participated unenthusiastically in labor turmoil, not that they didn't resent the long hours, deplorable working conditions, and meager pay. However, they placed their anger second to their immediate concern for the income that would pay the bills and thereby protect the integrity of the family. Many times external forces and pressures, pride, self-respect drove males to strike at the cost of desperately needed income, and even with knowing that pay losses could not be recouped for years, if at all.
As reported in the newspapers, at the beginning of the strike the men walked out of the Appleton Mills enthusiastically, but the women reluctantly. Many women declared that they would not have left the mill but for fear of some who threatened them. During the strike, at a meeting, one hardy Greek woman who claimed to represent many fellow workers offered a resolution approving a return to work. It failed miserably.
In later years, women took a more active strike role, especially in the garment shops, but the pressure to go out remained on those women who were reluctant to strike and came from both males and females.
Mary Koutsonikolas: "The boss asked me if I were going out (1940). I said, 'I can't stay on the job while others strike. Do you want the women to kill me?' If I had stayed I would have been against the people I worked with every day."
Vasiliki Karas: "I don't know how many (in 1947) of the workers wanted the union (at the Boott Mill), but the men pushed it and they shouted to go on strike ... Most of the women wanted to work, but what could we do. We didn't dare go into the mill past the picket lines."
The strike ended and the mills opened their gates on Monday, April 22, 1912, four weeks after the strike had begun. The workers got a ten-percent wage increase (instead of the fifteen percent which they had sought), time and a quarter (instead of double pay as the I.W.W. demanded), and the right of weavers to measure and weigh their cloth. The strikers lost approximately seven dollars per week per worker. This loss caused many to leave the city seeking other jobs, forced others without savings into debt, and dropped some deeper into poverty. Most accepted the strike results as a victory.
The previous Monday, April 15, Greek operatives met in the Holy Trinity Church hall and voted to accept the ten-percent wage increase offered by the mills. Their acceptance settled the strike. That same day, the Courier-Citizen headlined the sinking of the Titanic steamship in the North Atlantic and all week stories of that tragedy filled the newspapers. The business of settling the loose ends of the strike continued with subdued newspaper coverage. The I.W.W. declared the coming Saturday as "Jubilation Day" and planned a massive parade. A meeting was called for Friday on the South Common.
Dr. Demopoulos declared that he would join the mass meeting Friday afternoon and gave his permission for other Greeks to attend if they wanted to be there. He said he would terminate his official connection as strike leader, having kept his agreement with the I.W.W. and the promises he had made to the Greek strikers. However, he forbade the Greeks to march in the "Jubilation" parade. In early May, a group of Greeks asked the doctor to be a candidate for president of the Greek community. At a meeting at the church hall he imposed three conditions in order for him to run: He would make no campaign promises; each follower would have to enroll as community member at a cost of two dollars; and he required five hundred signatures in elections held at the end of May. The Noukas party defeated the Couzoules-Houpis party for control of the Holy Trinity Church, which elevated them into a strong and commanding position to speak for the Greek community.
Meanwhile, organizers, William Trautman, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and others prepared to leave Lowell and continue the I.W.W. work in other cities. However, labor trouble surfaced again. It began on May 8, 1912, when the Merrimack Mill locked out forty Greek operatives who had left their jobs to protest the mill's refusal to pay time and a quarter for overtime, as per the strike agreement. The incident pushed many Greeks to formally join the I.W.W. and they voted for a general strike. The I.W.W. considered a general strike, and Portuguese and Lithuanian members voted in favor of the strike if the lockout continued. In late May, the I.W.W. and Agent Wadleigh of the Merrimack Mill compromised.
Dr. Demopoulos, from a window at I.W.W. headquarters, with Trautman and Flynn by his side, addressed over three thousand Greeks crowded below on Market Street and on Hanover Street. He advised them to return to work and that not all strikers would be rehired, but other mills promised to give them jobs. "Some hotheads jeered," and he said later, "Some of my countrymen have become my enemies today."
Once more the siren call of labor strife in another city summoned Elizabeth Gurley Flynn. As she had left Lawrence for Lowell, she left Lowell for New Bedford in mid-July to assist the I.W.W. in organizing a strike involving more than thirteen thousand mill workers. Once more, summoned by the bells, the Lowell mill workers harnessed themselves to the daily routine and trudged through the open gates into mills and factories. Where now the excitement of rallies and parades, the defiance and strength on the picket line, the heated debates, the urgent conferences, the loud arguments, the quiet discussions, the camaraderie and oneness with strangers united in a common purpose, the feeling of being vital as an individual in a just cause? The influence of the united "Greek Colony" and its front-page exposure crested in the strikes of 1912. After this period, the other ethnic groups also lost their power to influence union policy when acting parochially. Their influence waned as the power of the I.W.W. waned.
The strength of the I.W.W. in Lowell weakened as its leaders became embroiled in labor wars in other cities. As Europe drifted into World War I and America edged closer to entering, the I.W.W. was the lone labor organization to oppose entry. The stigma of radicalism, which in earlier years remained dormant as workers rallied to the I.W.W. call for decisive action, now aroused public condemnation and official harassment. Its leaders, including Bill Hayward, were prosecuted and sentenced to prison under a World War I sedition act. Meanwhile, the AFL became the leader of the labor movement in Lowell, and its formal hierarchical structure precluded its leadership sharing power with coalitions of ethnic groups which maintained their independence. Henceforth, union officers spoke for the workers in labor matters, not local ethnic leaders. Individual and ethnic group heroics gave way, like ancient knights, to organized battles directed by career union officials.
On July 1, 1918, the Lowell Textile Council (affiliated with the United Textile Workers of America, AFL) voted to strike. Not without some satisfaction and glee did President Golden, once characterized by Bill Hayward as ineffectual, state that "... there will be no disorder. We do not believe in winning strikes by I.W.W. methods." The newspapers reported that there was no I.W.W. organization in Lowell and very few workers to be heard speaking its sentiments. The Lowell Textile Council declared that it would not include the I.W.W. at any stage. No Greek names appeared on the strike committee, but unlike the deliberate exclusion of the I.W.W., this omission occurred because of natural circumstances.
The AFL was organized in 1886 when there were very few Greeks living in America, and even those few were not involved in the labor movements. When many more began to arrive in the early 1900s – strangers with little knowledge of English and only themselves as a resource – they cautiously refrained from joining unions, not wanting to cause labor trouble, wanting only a job and wages. Thus, they did not enter union ranks and therefore could not rise to positions of leadership in established unions like the AFL. Even the unity, which served them well in the 1912 strike and might have given them a strong voice in the AFL, shattered. The Merrimack Mill strike and the role of the I.W.W. and Dr. Demopoulos in its settlement caused serious disagreements among the Greek operatives. Then, in years following their pivotal role in the 1912 strikes, the Greek immigrants became firmly established in America and grew more confident in their ability to act independently as individuals, a characteristic Greek trait that frequently assumed an argumentative mien. More fragmentation occurred as endemic personal, political, and religious differences emerged, rock-hard and intractable, to divide the Greek community. These differences would continue to plague them in the 1920s and 1930s.
Thus, in the 1918 strike, after five days the Lowell Textile Council agreed to end the strike and also agreed that there would not be any further work stoppages while World War I lasted.
The struggle between the workers in different industries nationwide and management flared periodically during the 1920s. In 1921, Samuel Gompers, first president of the AFL, attacked attempts by the Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers to promote nationwide open shops. An open shop meant that workers did not have to join the union even if a majority voted to unionize. Management maintained that no worker should be forced to join the union. The union stated that it was unfair for workers to share in the benefits obtained by the union without contributing to the cost of obtaining these benefits, whether it be by loss of pay while on strike, or union dues. In addition, workers who stayed on the job during a strike would be acting as strikebreakers. The union workers called them, "scabs." The closed-shop controversy continued for decades until partly outlawed by the Taft-Hartley Labor Relations Act of 1947, an act passed by Congress over President Truman's veto.
After the economic boom created by WWI, and beginning in the 1920s, the textile mills of the Northeast slowly continued their relocation to southern states where nonunion labor and tax incentives and breaks promised larger profits. This movement, coupled with worsening textile economic conditions in the late 1920s, brought hardships and struggles to the Greek immigrants, as to other textile workers, as jobs disappeared. There was no network of social safety nets to help them; they had to depend upon themselves. People worked a partial week, if at all, and hiring became sporadic so that they didn't know from one day to the next whether they'd have work. Every day they walked to the mills and factories and waited for the overseer to hire them or send them home. They didn't dare miss a day, for perhaps that's when they'd be needed. The mill offered this advance information: "If you want work tomorrow, come to the mill and find out if we need you." The hard times of the mid and late 1920s slid into the black days of the Great Depression which began with the stock market crash in October of 1929 and stayed through the decade of the 1930s.
For many of the Greek immigrants hardship changed to grinding poverty, struggle to interminable writhing as they battled to feed and clothe their family and save the Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Church and the Hellenic American Parochial School from foreclosure by the banks. Still they survived, and however difficult the times, however high the unemployment, they struck when work conditions and wages became intolerable. One angry Greek worker cried, "Work like a hamal (a loutish Turkish porter) for poor wages – and dance for the boss also? Better to perform like Karagiozi (a puppet character) and beg for pennies."
However, Lowell in the early 1920s still had a substantial manufacturing base. In April of 1923, the Newmarket Manufacturing Company purchased the number two mill of the former Bigelow-Hartford Carpet Company and converted it into a silk mill employing three hundred people. The Merrimack, Appleton, Boott, and International Mills announced a 12.5 percent wage increase affecting eighteen thousand workers. That same month, Mr. and Mrs. Rudolph Valentino came to the Lowell Stadium to pick the prettiest girl in the city. Two years later, in April 1925, President Coolidge saw increased business prosperity in an address to the National Cotton Manufacturers Association, yet he chose not to run again for president, and Herbert Hoover became president. Instead of continued prosperity, the Great Depression came. In March of 1930, the Massachusetts Industrial Commission held public hearings to determine ways to help the textile industry and decrease the mushrooming unemployment. The commission made no progress.
Greek immigrant workers of the 1930s participated in unions and strikes mostly as rank and file, and not as individual leaders or as a cohesive Greek bloc. Some Greeks became union organizers or business agents, and a few Greek-Americans rose in the union hierarchy during the later years. James (Boutselis) Ellis organized and led strikes at the Merrimack Mill; Nicholas Georgoulis also organized at the Merrimack; Louis Vergados directed drives to unionize the Boott and other mills.
The Greek immigrants generally supported unions and union efforts to improve wages and working conditions. The unions brought many benefits that workers expect today but didn't exist then: no child labor, living wages, reasonable work hours, paid vacations and holidays, seniority rights, pensions, medical benefits, tolerable working conditions, grievance committees. The unions provided the workers with power, a most effective persuader to cause the min owners to agree to worker demands.
Yet, the Greek immigrants also viewed unions cautiously and rejected them at times. At Laganas Shoe Company, with a large number of Greeks, union recognition came "in the morning" and "left at night." Merrimack Mill workers, many Greek, voted for a company union – that is a union composed of only Merrimack Mill workers – instead of a national union like the CIO or AFL. The Boott Mill, with a large number of Greek operatives, voted for CIO representatives; later many refused to pay union dues because of its unsatisfactory performance in settling workers grievances, especially the increased workloads. Workers rejected unions mostly because of meager, if any, gains after costly strikes, and ineffectual or unsatisfactory results in dealing with mill agents.
In March of 1933, banks which had been closed by President Roosevelt to prevent the collapse of the banking system opened to restricted business. Commercial banks paid out thousands of dollars so that industries could meet expenses on a fifty-percent basis. Locally, union electricians balked at contractor attempts to cut their hourly pay to $0.75. In Lynn (Mass.), 4,000 shoe workers continued their strike for a wage increase. Up to the 1970s, Lynn would be the shoe capital of the world, boasting of having, at one time, 150 plants. In 1985, only one company remained making baby shoes.
As the textile industry in Lowell declined, people turned to shoe shops for jobs, even at low wages and poor working conditions. Labor trouble was inevitable among the 4,000 shoe-shop workers. In April of 1933, workers struck four shops, among them the Laganas Shoe Company owned and operated by Greek immigrant brothers.
Apostolos Eleftheriou: "I wasn't a strong union man at Laganas because I had relatives who were bosses. Many of the workers were Greek; Laganas was a Greek and we knew each other. We were, as the saying goes, of the same family."
Strikers claimed that 90 percent of Laganas workers were out; Mr. Laganas claimed that only 200 of the 500 workers had left their jobs. Forty police officers with motorcycles patrolled Jackson Street, and they questioned pickets to seek out possible radicals and communists.
The principal leaders of all factions maneuvered to gain advantage or advance their interest or cause as the strike continued and violence began. The Shoe Workers' Protective Union (SWPU) fought with the Boot & Shoe Workers' Union (AFL) for the strikers' allegiance. Mayor Slowey, worried about increased welfare recipients and lost tax dollars, appointed a committee of two prominent Lowellians and a committee composed of clergymen and businessmen. Mayor Slowey dismissed the citizens' committee, and a member, Reverend Appleton Grannis, protested in vain. Later, both the reverend and the committee of two recommended that the SWPU be rejected. The SWPU asked Mayor Slowey to invite the State Board of Arbitration to mediate, a request he delayed, to the union's frustration. City councilors questioned the use of police escorts for the cars of strikebreakers, but the mayor and police superintendent declared that it was necessary to ensure public safety. President Nolan of the SWPU denied in court that the union was demanding a closed shop; only better working conditions. Governor Ely met with all parties to attempt a settlement.
Apostolos Eleftheriou: "Of course, Laganas didn't want the union. What factory boss wants to bring in another boss? Anyway, we got the union and it lasted for a few years; then we dropped it. It came in again later; lasted awhile; left again."
At one meeting of the SWPU, the local president, Victor Picard (French), spoke, as did James Kourkoulakos (Greek), the treasurer of the local relief committee. The union fed the families of needy strikers and provided any necessities and services that it could elicit from the community. However, the union could not make up the loss of pay, and as the strike continued week after week, violence broke out again and again between the strikers, those who had stayed on the job, strikebreakers brought into the shops by the owners, and the police.
On April 26, for the first time, strikers and mill representatives met in the mayor's office. Their only agreement was that there should be no violence. At seven o'clock that same morning, a striker had been struck on the head with a piece of lead pipe by strikebreakers as the striker and two companions took down the registration numbers of passing cars on Boston Road in Billerica. At two thirty in the morning, police picked up five young Greek men in the vicinity of Concord Street on suspicion of breaking house windows. The union disclaimed responsibility for their actions, but declared that they would be defended by union lawyers. The next day, about one in the morning, unknown perpetrators hurled bricks into four houses near Chapel Street. Officer William Brennan heard the crack of glass and rushed to the scene in time to see an auto leaving. He fired a shot in an attempt to halt the car, but missed.
The shop owners declared adamantly that they would close their shops and relocate before they would recognize the SWPU because of unsatisfactory previous experience or knowledge of the organization. More than 1,500 strikers marched to City Hall to request protection of Mayor Slowey from strikebreakers. Chief of Police, Hugh Downey, said police are taking no sides, but that strikers must understand that people have a right to work just as people have a right to strike; the police would continue to escort out-of-town workmen (strikebreakers).
Police charged one group of men with throwing bricks through the windows of a house occupied by a worker at the Alden Wood Heel Company. On May 4, forty police officers quelled a disturbance outside of the Becker Brothers' shop on Bridge Street. The owners had invited the bitter anger of the strikers by obtaining a court order which limited picketing and patrolling, and then also brought in out-of-town workers. Strikers hurled stones at the cars of the strikebreakers, and police arrested three men, two French and one Greek. This violence escalated into a pitched battle the next day at the Becker plant. An estimated 2,000 strikers and sympathizers hurled bricks, stones, metal, and other objects at the cars waiting to transport the workers in the Becker Shop. Police battled the strikers and arrested seventeen men. Many in the aroused crowd remained in Kearney Square until evening to confront any strikebreakers who had not dared to leave the shop during the day.
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by Dan Lambskin » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:43 am
by rookies and cream » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:24 pm
by rookies and cream » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:57 pm
garf112 wrote:I don't trust him, yet. Before last year, it wasn't just a playing time thing, it was also an injury thing. 228 DL days in the past three seasons including last year when he had zero. 363 DL days in the past five years... I don't see him being healthy all year, which will hurt his value. Think 500 plate appearances versus 633 last year.
by rookies and cream » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:28 pm
garf112 wrote:But he has had groin and hamstring issues... The hamstring was so bad that he was put on the 60 DL and missed 75 days. I wouldn't say that an injury jumping into the stands to catch a fly ball is a "fluke." Guys that go all out tend to get injured a lot... Especially center fielders. He also had surgery to remove a bone spur in his elbow and missed 50 days. Colitis can be a chronic condition... Here's where I got all of the injury history from: http://www.baseballinjurytool.com/playerresult.php.He was my fantasy savior last year in many ways, but I think he comes into this season overvalued.
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by Broncmet724 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:09 am
CBMGreatOne wrote:I like Pagan, but that is based on the fact that he seems to be going very cheaply in drafts. I would not pay for last season's numbers by any means. He was a good story and a very productive FA OF for a lot of fantasy teams last year, but if people are especially eager to buy, the price might get too high for my taste.The difference between Pagan and Victorino is upside. I think Victorino is capable of hitting 20 HRs, whereas Pagan is more likely to top out at 10-12. The speed is comparable, but I'd give the slight edge to Shane. If I knew Pagan would stay healthy and at the top of the lineup, I'd project him at around 90 Rs. Victorino in 650 ABs has a much more realistic chance to be in the 110 range. Vic also should have a slight edge in RBIs although neither will be very valuable in that category. Pagan hit for higher average than Victorino last year, but I'd call batting average a wash between the two.All that said, I expect Victorino almost certainly to be too expensive, whereas Pagan has a realistic shot of slipping to my price range.
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After years of waiting, Montreal fans were finally able to see the clubs 2004 third round draft choice in action last year. He didnt catch fire right out of the gate but as a 25 year-old NHL rookie, a learning curve was expected after playing his entire professional career on an international ice surface. Once he adapted to the North American game, he became somewhat of a smashing success.
Emelin was expected to challenge for a top six spot on the backend coming out of camp but was ultimately outshined by a guy in a similar spot as him, but with much lower expectations. Raphael Diaz took the lead out of the gate in preseason for a regular lineup spot but it didnt take long for Emelin to catch up. He became a solid regular on the back line and a punishing presence on the ice. His 236 hits were 14th in the league and he played fewer games than anyone ahead of him on that list, aside from Martin Hanzal who had three more hits in three less games. He was a regular presence on the penalty kill and displayed the ability to make that first big pass. The best way to describe his first NHL campaign was that he progressed, not regressed as the season went on.
Season Stats: 67 GP, 3 G, 4 A, 7 PTS, -18 rating, 30 PIMS, 0 PPG, 1 SHG, 1 GWG, 59 Shots, 17:17 ATOI
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Emelin should pick up where he left off last season. A punishing, physical defenseman is what we all expect to see minding the blueline with the ability to play in special team situations, albeit most of those situations will be on the penalty kill and not the powerplay. He has shown he has the capacity and intelligence to complete smart hockey plays and is a strong enough skater to keep most players at bay. He has a solid first pass and should trim down the turnovers now that he has roughly a full NHL season under his belt. Opposing players will hate him and Canadiens fans will love him.
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Stats are a little tricky when it comes it comes to Emelin. He never played in a North American league and aside from his 2010-2011 campaign with AK Bars Kazan, where he showed some offensive flair, there is little to suggest he will be putting up 40+ points. Thats not to say he wont have value in fantasy hockey, its just that his talents may not translate well into traditional formats. I think he will put up regular numbers but they will come in bunches so the key would be to pick him up when it looks like hes heating up. If hits are a part of your fantasy league, he will give you a boost in that department as a late round pick. Hes also shown he a knack for being dangerous on the penalty kill, scoring two points shorthanded last year along with some shorthanded chances he couldnt bury. A downside of his was his plus/minus rating. An improvement is expected but -18 from a single player will hurt you in any league.
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Author(s)X.Luo, F.Dehne, P.Liang |
TitleIdentification of transposon insertion polymorphisms by computational comparative analysis of next generation personal genome data |
Publication NameInt. Conference on Applied Mathematics, Modeling and Computational Science |
Publication TypeProceedings |
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Abstract Structural variations (SVs) in a genome are now known as a prominent and important type of genetic variation. Among all types of SVs, the identification of transposon insertion polymorphisms (TIPs) is more challenging due to the highly repetitive nature of transposon sequences. We developed a computational method, TIP-finder, to identify TIPs through analysis of next generation personal genome data and their extremely large copy numbers. We tested the efficiency of TIP-finder with simulated data and are able to detect about 88% of TIPs with precision of >=91%. Using TIP-finder to analyze the Solexa pair-end sequence data at deep coverage for six genomes representing two trio families, we identified a total of 5569 TIPs, consisting of 4881, 456, 91, and 141 insertions from Alu, L1, SVA and HERV, respectively, representing the most comprehensive analysis of such type of genetic variation. |
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From time to time packages will get 'dropped' or removed from the distribution. To prevent the last build of these packages from continuing to show up in composes of updates or future collections the package must be 'blocked' from the appropriate tags in Koji.
Blocking a package in koji simply prevents it from being listed in normal operations unless specifically sought out. Due to how inheritance works any "downstream" tags will inherit the block as well, so blocking the package at the appropriate place (oldest tag) could take care of all other effected tags.
The 'block-pkg' koji command is used to block packages.
Usage: koji block-pkg [options] tag package [package2 ...] (Specify the --help global option for a list of other help options) Options: -h, --help show this help message and exit
For example, if we are asked to remove stickywidgets from Fedora 8 and newer releases we would issue:
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After which dist-f8 and any collection that inherits from dist-f8 will now block stickywidgets.
To verify that the block was successful you can use one of two (or both) methods.
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To build or not...financial ???
We have been tossing around building a larger home on a larger piece of land. Our current home is 5 years old which we built. We do still carry a mortgage. The market for building is great right now due to the supressed industry. However, the selling market is not so great. We do not want to take a hit on our current home unnecessarily-although not sure we would ( another one of those unknowns). We have 6 kids so any kind of moving will be an upheaval. Building this home would be pushing the limit of our house affordability-plus requiring a larger mortgage-but on the other hand we would be doing it now when we need the room and getting more house due to the economy. Is it stupid to go further into debt in this economy? Is there such a thing as affordable debt? We don't carry debt on anything else other than our home. Any financial counselors out there that would care to weigh in?
I doubt that anyone here would try to tell you what to do. But perhaps we can offer questions to consider.
The only debt you have is your mortgage, right? Do you have enough equity to pay for a substantial amount of a new home, or would you be stretching your budget? I ask because building a home entails unforseable, unavoidable expenses. You've done it once, so you know what I'm talking about. It's very tough to do on a shoestring and/or a tight budget. Unless you have a substantial amount of equity, I'd consider remodeling or purchasing an existing home that would meet your needs.
If you decide to go for it, you will then have to decide whether to sell and find temporary housing while you build. Or wait and hope that you can sell at an opportune time. In today's market, the first option would be less risky (albeit more work and hassle, esp with a large family).
How does your spouse feel about it?
My DH is pretty much leaving the fact finding up to me. He will support it if it is prudent and workable. Since it has only be a little over 5 years since we last did this he certainly doesn't love the idea of all the headaches, but who does? We do have equity in our home. Hopefully, about 30% of the loan amount. It would still be a decent jump. Basically twice as much as our current, but we do already pay a substantial amount on an equity loan- but that includes the extra I pay on the principal for both the mortgage and equity.
Believe me, if I could find an existing house I would jump on it in this market. However, with a large family there just aren't homes out there with the footprint that we need. We also are looking outside the planned neighborhoods. I can find nice homes with decent prices, but they are all in neighborhoods and that would be silly to make a lateral house move and not get all the features that we need. My main question for asking this on the financial forum is because of the economy and any upcoming forecasts that people may be more in tune with than I am that would frown upon digging deeper into our pockets and putting more debt on our plates. I realize there isn't a right or wrong answer. Just wondering if there is a general wind blowing in any certain direction.
FWIW, one of the economists with Northern Trust Bank in Chicago has been quoted saying the new home market will probably recover in 2010 -- the existing home market later.
I'm not sure what you are saying when you talk about planned neighborhoods -- do you mean land being developed by a builder or builders?
I'd look at this very closely. Things happen. What if your income suddenly took a hit? Six kids? Would you be OK?
Another thing to consider - not only would you have the cost of building an extra-large home, but how could you recoup your costs? It's pretty well-established that in most RE selling situations, a home considerably larger than its neighbors doesn't get an appreciably greater price, although of course YMMV.
Are you and DH fully funding your retirement portfolios? If you are not doing this, and building a larger house will strain your budget even further, I'd suggest you stay where you are and perhaps do a modest addition.
The children grow up and move away, whereas your retirement is getting closer all the time, LOL! Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
I think some of this depends on the area that you live in. You wouldn't be thinking of this if you didn't think you could sell your home for what you need. So....a fairly good appreciation market? You don't see that changing?
What about if inflation starts to go up, that's been talked about. It will impact your budget quite a bit.
I think you need more information and then run some numbers with some cushion built in for a recession/rising inflation and or small emergency.
As an alternative to moving at all, is it possible to add on to your current home so that it would suit your needs?
If it is simply the house that no longer works for you... not the neighborhood, neighbors, amount of yard, distance from whatever, or other things that can not be changed, then it may be easiest and cheapest all around.
After all, you know what's wrong with this house, what works and what doesn't, you'd have to go through all that again with any other house, regardless if you bought or built it. Whereas with an addition you could possibly fix what doesn't work for you in your current home.
I'd be very nervous about doubling my house payment. With the rising prices of food and fuel.....
Have you actually attempted to live with what you would be paying for the new house payment? Like putting the amount that is more than your current payment (including HELLOC) in a savings account each month for several months, and seeing how it would impact your quality of life. If you are thinking of increasing your sq footage considerably, also tack on a bit for larger fuel bills, and if you are considering moving further from the places you go, add in a bit for fuel for the vehicles as well. After that you would have a better idea about whether or not it would be advisable for you to move.
If you decide not to, well then you have a bit saved up for the addition (or paying down your current mortgage or HELLOC), and if you decide to move you have a small cushion to pay both mortgages if it becomes necessary.
One more thing..... I would have a realty company come out and price the house for the current market. It may not be worth as much as you think it is, and that may impact your decision.
Good luck!
CHISUE:"I'm not sure what you are saying when you talk about planned neighborhoods -- do you mean land being developed by a builder or builders?"
I guess I didn't phrase that well. We live in a community with lots and lots of builder developed neighborhoods. That is what I was referring to. Our current one is a nice size and is only accessible by one entrance which cuts down on any thru traffic, however, it is still a neighborhood with people having visual access to our backyard at all times. We live on a corner lot which makes us more exposed. Fences are not allowed. With 5 boys we have always thought that living on a larger piece of land but still being accessibly close to amenities would be a nice trade off. This 10 acre parcel allows that while not having my kids leave their current schools. That's the tricky one.
MOMTO6: We don't really have anyway to change our home without it costing a lot of money that would not be recoupable. Plus, I'm not sure we have the room on our lot to do so. The idea of trying to live on ad adjusted monthly payment is a wise one. The extra I pay to the HELOC a month plus the extra I pay on the regular mortgage a month (and other monthly payments I have recently payed off) would show that I am about 300-500 short of an actual monthly payment that I have already been paying out a month.
This housing option is kind of an "wouldn't it be nice....." house. I'm sure a financial planner would look at our lives with 6 kids and college on the horizon and say we are nuts!!! (At least, I think they would...)However, life is short and if we do this, now would be the time as our kids are all still home. Sure, we could be perfectly fine staying in the home we are in. I still love this house and the features that I designed for the functionality of the way we live. There would be trade offs both ways. Our community's real estate has definitely adjusted- I wouldn't say it has tanked. Certainly leveled off. It was going gang busters for awhile-crazy! I think it will stabalize and recover before the national average. There are many high end homes and neighborhoods. A new hosptital opening this winter and a huge expansion to a local industry being built tells me that people moving into the community will need homes. I'm getting such competitive prices from builders right now-not sure that will be repeated again in a long while. So hard to pass up the ability to get more house for less money. But on the other hand- hard to sell my house for less money than I had hoped it was worth......
What are the property values doing where you live? Are values declining or staying steady. Have a real estate person, or 2, provide you with a market value for your present home.
The market may be great for building right now because sales of homes has slowed, but the costs assocaited with building (and everything else) keeps increasing as the price of oil increases.
As a mortgage person, I cringe when I hear people say "Building this home would be pushing the limit of our house affordability". If it's pushing the limit, then you shouldn't do it.
pamghatten: Property values have declined somewhat but are not on a free fall. I did have a market analysis done in the spring of 07, but not sure if it is reliably relevant at this time. Actually, the cost of building materials for the bids I am getting are quite reasonable (other than copper) and one lumber yard said his bid would be about 5-10% less in the winter months as compared to now. For a very nice custom home I am getting bids just under 100.00 a square foot which is for this area very reasonable.
I would agree that pushing the affordability limit is not always the wisest. We thought we were doing that when we built this home 5 years ago, but that hasn't turned out to be the case. We are one of those families where are income looks really great on paper....but the realities with 6 kids is we do tend to spend a lot of money. I'm sure we could find ways to cut cost significantly if we wanted to. I believe the operative word there is "want to." It's nice to have extra money to send kids to camps and other luxuries like that. We would have to cut back on the discretionary spending for sure. Thanks for your input. At this point I am probably going to end up going with that gut feeling......I've turned away from opportunities like this in the past and denied those desires, so I know I am not being impulsive. I do hate that I am probably out 15K in architect fees, but that won't be a killer...just a drag!
comfortdog: Not sure there are many folks (financial planners or not) out there who get past the 6 kids without thinking you're nuts! *LOL* Not even sure they get to hear the rest of the question. =0) At least, I find myself having to repeat my question after the shock wears off. =0)
Ah well, it was an idea. Would it be possible to purchase the land without building on it right now? If you can get it at a good price and are really drawn to the location. You could spend the next few years paying down the house you are in now, which may help you be able to build your house later at a more affordable mortgage payment. Your month to month mortgage may be less, even if you pay a little more to have it built.
Hold on to the plans for the house. Even if this is not the right opportunity for your family, there will be others. =0) And if you do end up building it in a few years, you won't have to hire another architect to draw them up again.
Good luck!
CHISUE: "How about a farm?" Yeah....I'd be willing to "farm" them out! Does that count???
I'm finding that kids get way more expensive as they get older. Fisher Price just doesn't have a good corner on the market for 14 year olds! Seriously, thanks for the extra thinking thoughts. I have run just about every scenario through my head. I would wait for a couple of years...but then my guys all start leaving home for college and would we still have as great a need? Granted, I will have plenty of kids home for a good number of years, but a little over 3 years with all six......sigh.......That is hard to believe.
The first thing I thought of was the increase to heat, cool, insure, and pay taxes on....(besides there being more to keep clean).
I for one would be very very careful in this day and age, especially with six children. I'd much prefer being more secure, than maybe having the most suitable house in the right area.
The house actually will have about the same taxes as we pay now due to the fact we change counties. Odd, I know. We live in a county and pay as much as houses that cost twice as much as ours in a different county same school district. We are possible going with ICF walls and basement. This would mean our heating and cooling costs would be kept at a reasonable amount. Even if we wouldn't, windows and HVACS are so much more cost effective than they were even 5-6 years ago. Personally, I am more worried about selling our current house and having to move 2 times. That really was not fun last time.
I don't know how old you are, but you seriously need to have a home paid for when you retire. None of our kids will have that, they keep upgrading or selling to get out of a financial fix they get themselves in due to lost jobs or bad decisions. There is a good possibility they will end their lives living in a low income area or working until they die
jonesy: I understand the paid off sentiment, but I don't see myself living in this house (or dying in this house, rather). It would be a need for the immediate future to 10 years out. My husband and I would definitely sell and take the equity and buy something that we could either pay off or have a very affordable mortgage. We always think investment when we purchase or build a home. If we don't think it has appreciative value we would never do it.
It is a necessity for most people. We are fortunate to have a pension and savings. Savings can go in a hurry.....In the last year I paid out about $90,000. in care home bills. A paid for home is your best security for retirement. If your home is paid for no one can take it away from you except IRS. If it's mortgaged they can take it real fast. If it's paid for you can also down grade if you run out of savings.
I think joneysy's idea is good for a lot of people. Not everyone are financial mavens.
comfortdog - its' probably disappointing to give our idea but it probably works for your kids in the end in many ways as well as finanacially. Some friends moved to a small acreage and when they got transferred back to a city the kids were unexpectedly quite happy - now we'll have kids to play with! Not that they can't play with each other and have people over, but a good neighborhood with other kids right down the street is what a lot of memories are made of.
momto6 wrote: "Would it be possible to purchase the land without building on it right now? If you can get it at a good price and are really drawn to the location. You could spend the next few years paying down the house you are in now, which may help you be able to build your house later at a more affordable mortgage payment."
I like this idea. Have you seen that family with 16 kids on tv? The 'Duggars' built a huge house while still living in their rental. Everyone in the family helped build it.
Do you have a vacation home? Perhaps you could buy that large property now, put up a temporary 'vacation' dwelling (cabin/trailer/etc) while you take your time building. The kids would appreciate having a place to roam while learning life skills.
If you build a house with a mother-in-law suite, this would expand your options for privacy, whether it be for guests, grandkids or retirement.
I have always been a stay at home wife except for times when I was bored. I am where I am because of making the right decisions, staying out of debt as much as possible, saving as much as possible and paying off the mortgage with any extra money that came my way. My husband was just a laborer like most people we know. Neither of us had to have the best of anything. I wanted security and paying off the mortgage game me that.
Not sure what your market is like, but in most markets, buying a re-sale is less expensive and a LOT less hassle than building new. Have you considered a resale? As someone who has built a semi-custom home, I know that not having all the details of your house "your way" is tough, but a resale might meet your square footage needs more cheaply and with less agony associated with a build job.


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December 3rd, 2011, 07:41 PM #1381
Well I've been mucking about with:
Dungeon Defenders- coop multiplayer, build a base, defend against baddies etc. Worth the sale price but doesn't hit me as a classic
Frozen Synapse- awesome tactical game. It's one that strategy gamers should look up IMHO. There is virtually no luck, nearly 100% tactics as you try to outmanouvre and outhink your opponent's squad. Turn based. A lot of planning resulting in a fist punching the air or a 'oh crap how do I recover from this?' Tense with a decent soundtrack to boot - go look up the youtube reviews.
Gemini Rue- very Phillip K Dick type atmosphere- I'm only an hr or so into this adventure but it's very engrossing so far.
December 4th, 2011, 04:29 AM #1382
Didn't realise you were into indies, FB!
I should probably try and finish the campaign of Dawn of War II: Retribution this week. I'm playing as the Imperial Guard, and it's sort of fun.
December 4th, 2011, 04:54 AM #1383
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December 4th, 2011, 10:42 AM #1384
My buddy and I got a couple missions into the Ork campaign and it was fun times, especially doing it two player co-op. It's wonderful to see the Ork mindset in action. "We gotta kill them panzees that zogged my ship!" "Foolish monster, there are only a few Eldar in this sector and we would appreciate any help you could offer with the Chaos forces who did destroy your ship." "Right when we're done crumping them panzees we're comin for you!" Like trying to use a forest fire as a weapon.
I'm still playing the crap out of Arkham City. I can't tell if the comments of one of the side characters are about what happens later on in the story of this game or if he's prognosticating about the story of a future game. It's a shame Mark Hammill is done being the Joker though the parts of this game without him weren't nearly as much fun.
December 4th, 2011, 10:47 AM #1385
I like shooting the Orks "Dem humies be comin', boyz!" They go down with such a satisfying splat, but they do put up a bit of a fight - especially those walkers they use.
I'd heard it was his last time as the Joker too, but apparently Mark has come out since and said it might not be - Not exactly sure. He is a very good Joker, though, I'd say the best by far.
December 4th, 2011, 12:02 PM #1386
What do you make of DOW retribution? Does it add much to DOW2 and chaos rising?
December 4th, 2011, 12:14 PM #1387
Yeah, the freedom from Games for Windows Live You're still tied to Steam, though, but that's not too much of a bad thing.
It does, but not. Instead of the campaign being just for one faction, instead it's basically a one-size-fits-all deal for all six races (Eldar, Imperial Guard, Orks, Chaos, Space Marines, Tyranids) but there's some nice variety in the missions. The load out of your armies is different, too, instead of improving your squads like you did in the first two, you have four heroes per faction and aside from the "main" hero, they can either be used as themselves or you can replace them with an honour guard with extra benefits such as more population (so you can field bigger armies), extra damage for certain units and so forth. And unlike the rather irritating points scheme from the first two, you get one point per level for a skill or a boost, and some of those apply to your units if you don't take said hero.
THQ/Relic have gone mad with the DLC, though, and largely I would stress you don't bother with it unless you get the complete pack on sale, as very little of it truly adds anything to the game. The Tau Commander hero for Last Stand seemed funky from what I'd seen, but unless you've exhausted the other heroes or need something special, he's really not worth the non-sale asking price.
I prefer it to the first two, I must admit.
December 4th, 2011, 12:18 PM #1388
I've started playing AC Revelations but to be honest the game bores me quite quickly and I can only manage an hour a day at best.
Maybe I shouldn't have started it directly after finishing Brotherhood.
I liked the improvements they made to the combat in Brotherhood i.e. you could wipe out entire platoons of guards in seconds using the hidden blade as an open combat weapon.
The latest installment feels like a filler though, as if the game designers are merely treading water until they write a decent conclusion to the series. (a little like Brotherhood)
As for the "Revelations" I doubt there is anything players of the series hadn't already figured out for themselves.
What cracks me up is how the game world is described as "sandbox". It quite clearly isn't, especially with the secondary "attain full synch" parameters attached to EVERY mission you do.
So I'm just piling through the main quest arc asap and pretty much ignoring the peripheral quests etc.
I should probably add that I was a big fan of this franchise and loved the first two games.
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December 5th, 2011, 09:38 AM #1392
I started up a new character in Skyrim yesterday. I accidentally did a quest that pushed me further along the main story line than I wanted to be, so I decided to go back to the drawing board.
December 5th, 2011, 06:19 PM #1393
That happened to me a lot in Fallout 3 and it bothered me every time.
December 6th, 2011, 06:19 PM #1394
Yeah. I was bummed. Two of us are playing the game and they still haven't figured out a way to separate the saves by character instead of lumping them all together. Really, Bethesda? That sort of thing should be mandatory by now. I was only keeping three save files so we didn't have a long list of saves to sift through. I'm not doing that anymore, let me tell you. I'll sift.
December 7th, 2011, 04:58 AM #1395
Are you on the PC with it, Nickee? Someone's created a tool to separate save games/profiles.


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