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A partial or full sale of Fox Sports Australia to either Foxtel or Telstra is a key concern for the telco and media companies as the competition regulator weighs up News Corp's possible takeover of Consolidated Media Holdings.
Submissions by interested parties to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about News's $2 billion takeover bid of CMH at $3.50 per share in cash close today. Submissions for Seven Group Holdings's request to obtain regulatory clearance to acquire the 76 per cent of the CMH shares it does not own close on Friday.
Rivals said a key concern was that News may on-sell Fox Sports to either Foxtel or partially to Telstra because both outcomes would give the telco greater reach in pay TV.
If News's bid is successful, it will own 100 per cent of Fox Sports and 50 per cent of Foxtel (which is already half-owned by Telstra).
Telco and media players were also concerned that Kerry Stokes' Seven might leverage News's takeover bid to better position its Seven free-to-air TV network in general programming or sports rights negotiations, said sources.
One scenario was for Seven to team up with Fox Sports and/or Foxtel to acquire programming for both free to air TV and pay TV that would otherwise have been only broadcast on free TV, they said.
A Ten Network spokesman said the broadcaster was still considering whether to make a submission to the ACCC. Telco operators Optus and iiNet objected to Foxtel's $2 billion merger with Austar earlier this year. It is understood Optus has concerns about further concentration of the distribution of TV programming.
Seven director Ryan Stokes yesterday declined to say if the company had discussed News's bid with chief executive Kim Williams.
The ACCC is scheduled to announce its findings on the News and Seven applications on August 2.
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DOCTOR WHO: A Companion's Companion – Season 17
By Kyle Anderson on October 3, 2013
After the success of "The Key to Time" season, Doctor Who took its largest leap into the silly. Graham Williams was about to begin his third and final year as producer and he'd just brought on Douglas Adams as new script editor, having written "The Pirate Planet" the previous year. Mary Tamm had chosen not to come back for a second season as Time Lady Romana and would need to be replaced. Even John Leeson, who had voiced K-9 for the last two years, would not be around, giving way to David Brierly. Conversely, Tom Baker was beginning his sixth year as the lead of the series, edging past Jon Pertwee as the longest-serving Doctor and, owing to his enormous popularity (and enormous ego), he felt that this show was his. This was to be a witches' brew for scenery-chewing and insanity that became Season 17, a year that gave audiences three incredibly weak serials, one pretty good one, one hands-down masterpiece, and one that wasn't even finished due to industrial action. The '70s are ending with a real bang.
Season 17 – 1 September 1979 – 12 January 1980
Unlike his predecessor Philip Hinchcliffe, who ushered in the Tom Baker tenure, Graham Williams didn't have nearly the same control (nor did he seem to want to exercise any) over his lead actor. You get the sense, going through Seasons 15 and 16, that Baker is trying to see how far he can push the craziness and get away with it. It appeared he could push it all the way. By time Season 17 rolled around, Williams was dealing with health issues, Anthony Read's sure-handed script editing had given way to Douglas Adams' sci-fi zaniness, and Tom Baker now had free reign.
If it seems like I'm setting up Tom Baker's egomania a bit too much, it's because he was, in my opinion, an egomaniac at this point. I'm not going to lie, I really don't like Season 17, and a lot of it is because Baker is ridiculously over the top. I'm all for silliness in Doctor Who if it's well handled (and if Adams himself writes the scripts, it seems that it can be well handled), but not if it begins to feel like the people making the show are making FUN of the show at the same time, which this season often did. It didn't start off on the best foot, either.
Like many seasons in the past had, Season 17 began with the return of an old foe… the Daleks. Unfortunately, it's one of their worst outings. The final script to be written for the show by Dalek "creator" Terry Nation, Destiny of the Daleks was their first time on the show since 1975's "Genesis of the Daleks." The serial begins with an offscreen Romana talking about wanting a change and trying out different looks for her regeneration before finally settling on looking like Princess Astra from the previous story, "The Armageddon Factor." This was because they wanted to cast Lalla Ward and needed a reason for it. This scene was almost certainly written by Douglas Adams and has his brand of absurdity all over it. Unfortunately, however, so does the rest of the story.
From here, they land on the remnants of Skaro following the complete destruction of the Kaled city after the events of "Genesis." The Daleks have not been killed off and are using humanoids as slave labor. After the Daleks kidnap Romana, the Doctor meets members of the Movellan race, aliens who are at war with the Daleks. Good for them. Wouldn't ya know it, though, Davros, the scientist responsible for the creation of the Daleks, isn't dead either, instead waking from suspended animation. There's more talk about the Daleks and things, and eventually they are infected with a Movellan virus and defeated, seemingly forever… except not at all.
I find this story all but insufferable. There's a very specific way the Daleks CAN work, and that is if they're taken 100% seriously, despite how rather silly they look. As over-the-top as "The Stolen Earth" was at parts, the scene in Torchwood where Captain Jack all but gives up hope when he hears the Daleks are around is exactly the way they need to be handled. They look ridiculous, we get it. They can't really move very well and they have plungers and egg beaters as weapons. That's painfully obvious. But if the Doctor openly mocks them, and they simply shout and shout and shout and never do anything, their entire reason for being feared goes right out the window. Very stupid story, and a crap way to begin a season.
Luckily, the second story is one of the best the show ever did. Credited to the fictional David Agnew, City of Death was actually written by Douglas Adams, Graham Williams, and David Fisher. It sees the Doctor and Romana take a trip to Paris, which was actually filmed in Paris! After feeling a time disturbance, the Doctor and Romana encounter the Countess Scarlioni at the Louvre Museum and a slovenly detective named Duggan. Duggan fears the Scarlionis are going to steal the Mona Lisa due to their dealing in a lot of high-end art. What we eventually learn is that Count Scarlioni as actually Scaroth of the Jagaroth, an ancient species of alien, and he is attempting to fund his time travel research to get back to the moment of The Big Bang to prevent it.
In order to do this, and this is ingenious, he, back in the early 1500s, forced Leonardo da Vinci to paint multiple copies of the famous painting so that Scarlioni could sell them in the future to people for exorbitant amounts of money, and they would each think they owned the real thing. And no one would ever check it because that would be admitting they have a stolen masterpiece. It's quite the scheme. However, the Doctor, also a genius, writes "This is a Fake" on the back of each of them, even the "real" one. This way Scarlioni can't sell it, because it's perceived as a phony.
This story is so good, and the production matches it so well, that it could only have come out of adversity. As the story goes, Fisher wrote the original story, which took place in Las Vegas in the 1920s, but when it was determined that they actually could film in Paris, Williams asked that he change it and drop a number of elements (like K-9). However, Fisher was indisposed, dealing with a messy divorce, and so Williams stuck Adams in a room for a weekend and told him to finish it. The result is arguably one of the most accessible and enjoyable classic Doctor Who stories of them all, and a great one for people who've never seen the show before. How could such a thing come from such a crap season?
And it only gets crappier, as the next story is Fisher's The Creature from the Pit. The Doctor, Romana, and K-9 follow up with a distress signal sent from the planet Chloris. It is a lush and green planet nearly overrun with plant life. They soon discover the humanoid population are ruled by Lady Adrasta, who callously hordes the planet's last remaining metal mine, which people need to make the tools to cut back all the plants that are choking the resources. Lady Adrasta takes the Doctor prisoner, while Romana and K-9 are taken captive by metal scavengers, who are deeply impressed by K-9.
The Doctor gets thrown into Adrasta's pit where he encounters Organon, an astrologer who'd been thrown in the pit long ago, and the creature that lives down there, which is a giant, green blob of a thing that has, well, has what appears to be a giant phallus. It turns out that this creature, Erato, is the ambassador from the Tythonian race who has been imprisoned by Adrasta. Adrasta is the real baddie here, as Erato had arrived to negotiate a treaty between Chloris and Tythonus exchanging metal for chlorophyll. Adrasta was keen to keep all the metal for herself, and so kept Erato in the pit; only now, Tythonus has declared war on Chloris. Whatever will everybody do?
This is just the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Everybody clearly knows that Erato looks like a writhing bag of nothing with a huge penile-shaped protrusion, but nobody did anything to change it, or maybe that was their idea all along. Tom Baker does some very questionable things with the creature for "comedic" purposes, and K-9 is used about as stupidly here as he ever has been, shooting everything all the time, as though the problem wasn't there in the first place. It's hard for me to decide whether it's this one or "Destiny of the Daleks" I dislike more. Real toss-up here.
I can't believe I'd ever say this, but, hooray, there's a story written by Bob Baker next. Baker had been partnered with Dave Martin for eight previous stories, but here the lone Bristol Boy gives us his final script for the show, Nightmare of Eden. Two spacecraft, a cruise ship and a trade ship, come out of hyperspace at the exact same time and coordinates, fusing the two vessels together, quantum-like. The Doctor and Romana must figure out a way to separate them or there could be a massive time-space disaster. The captain of the cruise ship is highly dubious of the Doctor and keeps a keen watch on him.
Elsewhere on the ship is Professor Tryst and his assistant Della, zoologists who, using a Continual Event Transmuter Machine, can literally remove pieces of a landscape to be kept in crystals and projected whenever they want to visit. Their most recent one is the planet Eden, upon which one member of their expedition died. Romana is sure she can see eyes in the darkness when looking into Eden. There are also drugs aboard the ship, a highly dangerous hallucinogen called Vraxin, to be precise, and some giant monsters called Mandrels. But what could they all mean and who could be behind it all?
"Nightmare of Eden" tends not to be regarded very highly, and I think a lot of that has to do with the time in which it was made, in a season full of insanity. However, this story is very well plotted and paced, which I think is due to Bob Baker being an old pro at it by this point. The characters are very interesting, and it even tries to put in some anti-drug messages for the young people, which is handled rather well. The director of this serial, Alan Bromly, was harangued off the set by Tom Baker, and the rest of the story had to be directed by Graham Williams himself. The behind-the-scenes unpleasantness does transfer ever so slightly on screen, as do some questionable acting choices from the guest artists, but overall I think the serial works. It's not great, but it's good.
The final broadcast story of the season was certainly not meant to be that. Former script editor Anthony Read returned to pen The Horns of Nimon, in which Tom Baker is at his least-reined-in, but that doesn't really matter, because it lets Lalla Ward's Romana take center stage. Honestly, the best part of this story is that the Doctor is almost Romana's companion, proving that she is just as, if not more, capable of getting things done. It's an okay story otherwise, though the costuming of the titular Nimon (a horned beast akin to a minotaur) is a bit silly. The acting of Graham Crowden, who plays the mad dictator Soldeed, is a thing to behold. It's like he thought the show really had gone into full pantomime, and in some ways it had. The show had, in a way, become a parody of itself.
There might have been a change to that idea had the planned final story of the season actually been finished. Douglas Adams scripted the six-part finale, Shada, and it had been cast, locations were scouted, sets were built, and half of it was even filmed when industrial action (a strike, in other words) caused a halt in production. Unfortunately, when the strike ended, the BBC deemed other programs more important to finish and thus, Doctor Who's season was cut short and "Nimon" ended the season on a bit of a sour note.
In 1992, the existing portions of "Shada" were released on video with Tom Baker on hand to give linking narration for the bits that were never shot. It's a weird thing to watch. All of the exteriors were filmed and about 40% of the interiors were shot, meaning everything in certain locations is there, but often, especially toward the end, it's a continual cut back and forth from one location, to Tom, to the same location again, back to Tom, and so on.
It's a real shame, as "Shada" could very well have been one of the best stories of the Baker era, and it surely would have been Douglas Adams' crowning achievement. The story revolves around the lost planet Shada, on which the Time Lords built a prison for defeated would-be conquerors of the universe. Skagra, an up-and-coming would-be conqueror of the universe, needs the assistance of one of the prison's inmates, but finds that nobody knows where Shada is anymore, except one aged Time Lord who has retired to Earth, where he is masquerading as a professor at St. Cedd's College, Cambridge. Luckily for the fate of the universe, Skagra's attempt to force the information out of Professor Chronotis coincides with a visit by the professor's old friend, the Doctor. It's a delightful idea with some terrifically funny lines and enjoyable characters. If I were you, I'd watch either the BBCi audio/animated version (featuring Eighth Doctor Paul McGann) and/or read Gareth Roberts' novelization that came out in 2011. You'll get the idea.
And so, Season 17 ended with a thud, as did the tenures of Graham Williams and Douglas Adams. Both had led the series into a tone so comedic that it lost its grip on the kind of show it once was. You could blame Adams for it, but yet the stories he actually wrote himself are easily the best. It's a strange dichotomy. Williams made the series more fun, certainly for its lead actor, and made it much less terrifying for children. But I'm an adult, so I don't really care for that.
When the show would return in fall of 1980, its new producer, John Nathan-Turner, would have changes galore. His would be the longest tenure of any producer, lasting until the end of the classic series run. There would be a new theme arrangement, new sets, new costumes, a greater focus on hard science, and, by the end of Season 18, a new Doctor. It's Tom Baker's end next time.
I really like this article it is the first Dr Who I saw on television, when I was stationed in Europe while I was in the Army.
After television went digital I did away with televison, get my entertainment on the internet. I just wish that the BBC would have a online station. I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable subscription fee to watch their programming.
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Douglas Adams finishing a script in a weekend makes me imagine him being literally chained to his desk so he can't procrastinate.
Very unfortunate that you obviously do not enjoy this season as much as i do,Mr Anderson.I wish it was more pleasurable for you.There is a definite drop in the quality of the production standards,even compared to other television productions at the same time from the BBC.Retrospectively,that might have been caused by neglect as much as by economic circumstances.I find Destiny Of The Daleks to be an enjoyable curiousity with the strange combination of Adams and Nation.Adams is present in the dialogue in a lot of the script but there is also the usual amount of death and plotting that tends to feature in all Nations stories.For all the problems,i still like a lot of the writing and performances in Doctor Who at this time.I think considering the production quality was so poor that many of the actors thought they would look less ridiculous if they over played things.I don't think Graham Williams was as much of a pushover as you suggest as Tom Baker has expressed some regret about the number of arguments they had when he was in charge of the programme.
I just watched City of Death for the first time last weekend. It was VERY good. Brief cameo from John Cleese too.


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After the excitement of Suzuka, the paddock barely has time to catch its breath as it heads straight to Yeongam for this weekends 2011 Formula 1 Korean Grand Prix. Its only the races second year on the calendar and after the torrential rain of last seasons inaugural event, the teams and drivers will be hoping for some drier conditions in which to sample the challenging 5.615 km Korea International Circuit
Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull
2010 Qualifying - 1st, 2010 Race - DNF
Its been a great few days - but now I am fully focused on the next race in Korea. The circuit is very demanding and quite tight, especially at the pit lane entry. You actually drive almost blind along the wall and, if the car in front of you drives into the pit, you have to quickly get out of the way. The track is pretty slippery at the start and gets better by the end of practice. The track in Korea is effectively made up of three parts. The first reminds me of Turkey; the second stretch has long straights like Monza and the third has tight corners like a town track. It is as if they have taken corners from Monte Carlo or Istanbul. Its important to find a rhythm. I find corner 11, which has two apexes, the most interesting.
Mark Webber, Red Bull
2010 Qualifying - 2nd, 2010 Race - DNF
Im looking forward to racing again this weekend. Korea is a track that I like driving on - the last two sectors are very busy with lots of corners and Im also expecting the racing to be pretty exciting on the long straights too. The DRS is allowed for the second part of the long straight and should help with overtaking in the race. As always, we need to see how the tyres perform on race day, which will have a large bearing on the results. Im looking forward to being right in the mix for the win. Its the second year we will go to Korea and it will be interesting to see if the track surface has changed over the winter at all.
Charlie Whiting, FIA race director
Were hoping for a slightly easier race this year than last. 2010 was very difficult for a number of reasons. The circuit was very late, as we know, and lots of problems had to be sorted out between practice sessions. Were hoping it wont be like that this year and were optimistic that things will have improved considerably. The track was quite a hit with the drivers as it was quite challenging. The only thing that was a little bit of a problem was the long straight between Turn Two and Turn Three, in the wet, as visibility was quite difficult. A good deal of marshal training has gone on since last year, with the help of CAMS, which will also help the event run smoothly.
Adrian Sutil, Force India
2010 Qualifying - 14th, 2010 Race - DNF
(Last year) it was a very wet weekend for all of us but the track was very nice. When we arrived it still needed some work doing with some kerbs missing, but the general layout was nice with a good flow. It may have changed a bit this year because nearly all tracks develop bumps in the braking zones - thats just what happens when you have Formula One cars running because of the forces involved. The first sector is mainly straights and hairpins, which is ideal for overtaking, while the second and third sectors have some high-speed corners. I particularly liked the direction changes through turns seven, eight and nine. And the last sector has lots of changes of direction one after the other - a bit like the first sector at Suzuka. So there is a good mix of everything.
Paul Di Resta, Force India
2010 Qualifying - n/a, 2010 Race - n/a
Its another technical lap with some quite distinctive sectors and different characteristics. There are some slower, more technical parts to the lap in the first sector, which should play to our strengths, while the second and third sectors are high-speed and have a nice flow. Also, Pirelli are bringing the soft and super soft tyres, which is a combination that tends to work quite well for us.
Timo Glock, Virgin
2010 Qualifying - 20th, 2010 Race - DNF
On the way to Korea I went to Kyoto. I took my bike with me and did a bit of cycling and training. I enjoyed last years race here in the rain. Lets see what happens this year, but Im sure it will be another interesting weekend for us again. Im looking forward to Korea; its still a young race and the track is quite good. It combines long high-speed straights and slow corners like the start of sector two: three extremely slow zig-zag turns where you need to find a good rhythm, attack the kerbs a little as well as keeping the speed up. Then you have to accelerate hard out of Turn Six towards a very fast sequence of turns where its very important to get them as clean as possible otherwise theres a high risk of going off track. So in general theres hardly a breather to be had in Korea, which makes it even more of a challenge. On the way to Korea I went to Kyoto. I took my bike with me and did a bit of cycling and training. I enjoyed last years race here in the rain. Lets see what happens this year, but Im sure it will be another interesting weekend for us again.
Jerome DAmbrosio, Virgin
2010 Qualifying - n/a, 2010 Race - n/a
I feel that in the last two races - Singapore and Japan - Ive built up a strong momentum which I hope I can continue to the end of the season. Im learning so much with each new race and really enjoying all the new experiences. I have spent a couple of days in Tokyo before heading to Korea, l did some training and prepared myself for the race weekend ahead. Im looking forward to this race - the track was definitely a fun one to drive last year, even with just my brief experience of it in FP1. Its a very different kind of race, coming from somewhere like Japan where F1 is very established and the fans are just incredible with their support, to a new territory like this and seeing how it can grow from the grass-roots level. I feel that in the last two races in - Singapore and Japan - Ive built up a strong momentum which I hope I can continue to the end of the season. Im learning so much with each new race and really enjoying all the new experiences.
John Booth, Virgin team principal
The championship may have been decided but we can still look forward to some great racing in the remaining four races. The team has done an excellent job getting from one race venue to the next in just over 12 hours. Its been a very tight turnaround but we are now here in South Korea ready to go racing again and hopeful of a positive weekend ahead. The championship may have been decided but we can still look forward to some great racing in the remaining four races. We learnt a lot about the track in 2010 but of course this year we go there with the Pirelli tyres for the first time. Were expecting to encounter a few challenges; finding the right set-up compromise is quite interesting here given the mix of long straights and tight, twisty sections. The track surface will have bedded in now, having been freshly laid just prior to the race last year, so we will see how the tyre choice plays out. The weather played a defining role in last years race but so far the forecast indicates a chance of rain earlier on in the weekend. Id like to take this opportunity to congratulate our reserve driver Robert Wickens, who won the WSR FR 3.5 Championship last Sunday while we were in Japan. He has done a great job this season and was a very worthy victor after a hard fight all year. We look forward to celebrating with him this weekend.
Rubens Barrichello, Williams
2010 Qualifying - 10th, 2010 Race - 7th
The race last year was very enjoyable. We were racing on wet tyres so well have to wait and see what the forecast has in store for us for this year but Im looking forward to enjoying what was a good Grand Prix last year.
Pastor Maldonado, Williams
2010 Qualifying - n/a, 2010 Race - n/a
Korea will be another new circuit for me so it will be a hard race. I need to understand a bit more about the circuit to get myself ready ahead of Friday practice. It will be interesting as it will be my first time in both the country and at the track.
Mark Gillan, Williams chief operations engineer
After a difficult weekend in Suzuka, the whole team has reacted quickly and pushed hard not to have a repeat of the issues that gave us trouble during Friday's practice sessions. For this 55 lap race Pirelli are providing the Soft and Supersoft tyres, as per Singapore. Last year we saw a large grip evolution throughout the sessions and one should expect the same this year. Currently the forecast is predicting a wet Friday and chances of rain throughout the weekend, so we need to be prepared to adapt our running programme to suit the conditions. This is a medium to high speed circuit with a smooth track surface. We want to give both drivers maximum testing and set-up time on Friday in Korea in order to optimise the car's set-up. Our aim is of course to score points and to show a clear performance improvement from one race to the next.
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren
2010 Qualifying - 4th, 2010 Race - 2nd
I had a pretty good race here last year, finishing second - it was a long, tough afternoon, but Im glad we got the chance to put on a race for all the fans whod come for the first-ever grand prix in Korea. I think the DRS zone into Turn Three should definitely make for some exciting racing: last year, the back straight didnt really produce too much overtaking because it was so wet and there was so much spray by the time we reached that downhill braking area, that it wasnt an easy place to pull off a pass. The weathers supposed to be good next weekend, so I think well really begin to see how this circuit works in the dry. You can tell that this track has been designed to be a good place for racing - Turns Four, Five and Six are a bit like the end of the lap at Istanbul Park, where you can attack on the inside and the outside and try and fight your way past. So, yeah, second was a good place to start last year, but I want to go one better in 2011.
Jenson Button, McLaren
2010 Qualifying - 7th, 2010 Race - 12th
Winning in Japan was one of the most satisfying and emotional victories of my career, and Im really looking forward to carrying that momentum into this weekend, too. Although last years Korean Grand Prix wasn't one of my greatest performances - we just couldnt get the car hooked up properly - I think that, given the current pace of the car and the form the team has at the moment, Im going into this years race feeling much more positive. The most important difference is that I have a car beneath me that I can really trust - for me, that wasnt really the case here last season: but, this year, our car just feels positive in every type of corner, and I feel comfortable pushing hard, because you can really feel the limit. I think you could really see that at Suzuka. So Im feeling much more optimistic about this years race. Its an interesting circuit, theres a good range of corners - Turn 11 is pretty unique, its a double-apex, heavily cambered left-hander, and the back-end of the track is quite interesting, too - theres only really one line through that sequence of bends, and, if you get one wrong, you can risk losing out through the whole sequence. Im quite confident that we should be able to hook the car up quite well through that sequence this year.
Martin Whitmarsh, McLaren team principal
Jensons fantastic victory in Japan last weekend was his fifth consecutive podium finish and a great reward for him after some of the most impressively consistent driving of his career. Hes in fantastic spirits, and I know hes heading to Korea feeling incredibly positive about following up that win with another great result. Lewis, too, is keen to convert his pace into a strong result - he showed at both Singapore and Suzuka that he had the pace to put the car on pole position, but was unlucky to lose out for a variety of different reasons. It seems like luck is against him at the moment, but, knowing Lewis, he will bounce back stronger than ever. Weve lost none of our ambition to win now that the drivers championship has been resolved, and I know both our drivers would dearly love to score a one-two for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes to further proof that we have a superbly competitive car at the moment. Last year, the people of Korea seemed to really embrace this Grand Prix - the grandstands were packed and the enthusiasm for the sport was infectious: thats a great foundation for a new race, and I hope that we can sustain that interest and enthusiasm into our second year. Finally, its a matter of considerable pride to the whole team that this weekends Korean Grand Prix will mark McLarens 700th Formula One Grand Prix - that's a massive achievement, so I hope we can crown it with another victory.
Bruno Senna, Renault
2010 Qualifying - 23rd, 2010 Race - DNF
My memories of last years event are not great; I had suspension failure in practice and then I had a very difficult race with the rain, safety car and then the red flag. It was a very difficult way to learn a new track and certainly an eventful weekend. This year will be like starting afresh. It is a difficult track, and I think there are many places where you can make mistakes. There are off-camber corners scattered through the track and for a driver thats not really the most comfortable thing. However, its the same for everybody and Im hoping that we can use Suzuka as a baseline for when we arrive in Korea then take the car out for the first time on Friday. From then we can just chip away at the time and get on target for qualifying and the race.
Vitaly Petrov, Renault
2010 Qualifying - 15th, 2010 Race - DNF
I have momentum and confidence behind me, but Im fully mindful that it will be a different proposition to Suzuka. Some of it is driven at high speed, but there are also a few second gear corners too, which our car wont be so keen on. It was quite a dirty circuit last year, but I expect that to be less of an issue this time around. We will collectively put our thinking caps on again to see how we can get the most from the weekend.
Eric Boullier, Renault team principal
I fully maintain that for Formula One to consider itself a global sport it needs to cross borders, and showcase itself in new territories. Korea joined the F1 calendar only last year and I was very pleased to see it put on a good show. Japan may well be well-established in the motorsport world but Korea is not, and the country deserves the chance to build its own brand in F1, too. I am looking forward to returning and seeing how the venue and organisation has progressed from last year.
James Allison, Renault technical director
The Korean International Circuit is not a track which favours any particular aspect of the car; its one where the entire package has to be maximised. Whilst there are long straights where a low drag package would be beneficial, there are sufficient corners to require higher levels of downforce for a quick lap. Interestingly, the track surface is very smooth and there are no notable bumps. Ally this with no kerbs of any stature and you can run the car very low. This could play to the strengths of our exhaust package as the potentially more constant proximity between car floor and ground should aid and assist hot air flow management. We run a similar level of downforce to that employed in Japan, however there are subtle yet pertinent differences. For example, DRS should be far more effective in Korea thanks to the long straights so we will give this aspect due consideration amidst our musings of wing angles.
Vitantonio Liuzzi, HRT
2010 Qualifying - 18th, 2010 Race - 6th
For Korea we need to strike back a bit after encountering a couple of complicated races. We have to understand all the issues we had in Suzuka and try to put up a better fight with our main rivals. We still have four races to go and we have to keep on fighting. I finished sixth last year in Korea so Ive got good memories and I like the circuit quite a bit. Traction is a really important factor in Korea which is an area weve been struggling with, so hopefully we can have a trouble-free Friday and Saturday so that we can understand the set-up better. It wont be an easy end to the season but we have to keep our chins up.
Daniel Ricciardo, HRT
2010 Qualifying - n/a, 2010 Race - n/a
Korea will be another new circuit for me so that is something Im looking forward to, another new challenge. Speaking to some of the drivers who raced there last year they told me that it is quite a good circuit so Im sure I will like the track. After the qualifying session in Suzuka, my race engineer felt that we should have done more and we did so, personally, I feel we found something in Japan that we can put into next weekend. So I am hoping for a better weekend in Korea.
Colin Kolles, HRT team principal
"Last year the Korean Grand Prix was an unconventional one but hopefully this second event will go a lot smoother. The characteristics of the track, featuring the longest straight of the championship and its slow corners, won't suit our car much but we are hard workers and we will do our best to put in a fight. Daniel took a step forward in his F1 learning process in Japan and Korea, another track that he has never been at, will mean another challenge for him. And Tonio will be willing to put the Japanese Grand Prix behind and have a fruitful weekend. Like in Japan, Narain will be driving in FP1 instead of Tonio and he may be able to contribute to the team towards a positive result.
Paul Hembery, Pirellis motorsport director
Korea presents the super-soft tyres in particular with their toughest test of the year, but with the championship decided this is a valuable opportunity for us to try out some alternative nominations in order to have some more information for next year. Because of the abrasive surface and comparatively high lateral loading in Korea we might expect a higher number of pit stops than usual from the drivers basing their strategies around the softer tyre. Some may prefer to concentrate on the harder compound, so its going to be another very interesting race tactically. But all this speculation could come to nothing if it rains, which is quite possible too. Whatever happens, historically it will be an important event for us as its the first race we come to with a Pirelli-equipped Formula One world champion for more than 50 years.
Michael Schumacher, Mercedes
2010 Qualifying - 9th, 2010 Race - 4th
"Visiting Korea for the first time last season was an interesting experience, and I enjoyed learning the new Yeongam track. It's a very impressive facility, and the track has enough challenges to make it enjoyable to drive. We also had a good result there as I equalled my best result of the season, finishing the race in fourth place. We have enjoyed some encouraging race finishes since the mid-season break, having worked hard to improve our performance. I hope we can carry that trend through to Korea this weekend and then to the remaining races."
Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
2010 Qualifying - 5th, 2010 Race - DNF
"I'm looking forward to racing in Korea: I really enjoy the track and, for the first race last year, it was certainly a full house spectator-wise. I'm certainly aiming for a more successful weekend than last year, when I was taken out in an accident with Webber on the second lap at racing speeds after the safety car came in. We learned in Japan that our performance has taken a small step forward since Singapore. I hope we can make the next one this weekend."
Ross Brawn, Mercedes team principal
"Having completed the weekend in Suzuka, the team has now packed up and headed to South Korea for the second leg of the season's final set of double-header races. The Korea International Circuit made its debut on the calendar last year, and the venue combines impressive facilities with an interesting and demanding track layout for the drivers and engineers. We delivered a strong race performance in Suzuka after not the smoothest of weekends, so our focus in Korea will be on getting the most of our current technical package and continuing our recent run of results."
Norbert Haug, Vice-President, Mercedes-Benz Motorsport
"The Korea International Circuit at Yeongam presents a very complete challenge for the cars and the drivers: long straights in the opening sector, and then a much tighter second half of the circuit, which includes some blind corners and tricky, narrow sections between concrete walls. This contributes to making the average lap speed one of the lowest of the year for a permanent circuit, at around 205 km/h. Last year's inaugural race saw very challenging weather conditions and four safety-car deployments; although we hope for better conditions this year, there remains a reasonable chance of safety-car periods due to the limited run-off areas. Indeed, the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG safety car has been deployed in each of the past four races. We enjoyed a stronger weekend in Suzuka and delivered quite a competitive team performance. Our challenge will be to perform at this level on a very different type of circuit and, as we have managed at three of the last four races, to finish in the points among the top three teams."
Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber
2010 Qualifying - 12th, 2010 Race - 8th
The race last year was pretty difficult because the track was wet, had very low grip and very poor visibility. I like the track with its interesting layout. The high speed and medium speed corners should suit our car well. We know from last year that tyre management is crucial. I quite like the fact that Korea is so close to my home country. I hope the weather conditions will be stable this year and we will have an exciting race. With the aero update we introduced in Suzuka, we should be competitive, and Im confident that we can fight for points there.
Sergio Perez, Sauber
2010 Qualifying - n/a, 2010 Race - n/a
I have not been to Korea before, and I have heard various stories from people in the paddock about last years race. I always like to get to know new places, which naturally is happening quite a few times this year because it is my first Formula One season. I have actually trained on the Korean track in the simulator. It has a lot of challenging high speed corners, and it is not an easy one to learn. In any case we have to use every chance to improve, and hopefully we can catch Force India in the championship.
James Key, Sauber technical director
We have got some quite good memories of Korea from last year. Its obviously a neat track. It took a bit of work with the very low grip levels on the very fresh tarmac, but, once the track rubbered in, it turned out to be a good circuit which the drivers liked. It seemed to be quite technical with two long straights, but then youve got the relatively winding sector towards the end of the lap, and then some high speed corners before the last straight. So its a really good mix of corner speeds that will probably require quite a different set-up compared to what we were using in Suzuka. Last year it was extremely wet, therefore we havent experienced a full race distance in the dry, so we dont fully know what to expect from the tyres, which will be the super soft and the soft compounds. We dont know how green the track will be in the beginning, so well have to see the track evolution during the weekend and try to allow for that. Concerning the car, we will continue to develop the package we introduced in Suzuka. Well have some small additional follow up development items for introduction in Korea. I hope we can carry on the momentum we found in Suzuka.
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overwintering koi under thick ice
Hi everyone,
Hard to believe but the first hints of fall are already starting to rear their ugly heads up here in northern WI. BOO!!
So my mind has turned towards finding a home for the koi this winter. I know that for this coming winter I will be overwintering them in the garage in a stock tank. But, I really have been doing a lot of looking around and researching to figure out the best way to keep them in the pond year round as this seems like its a lot less stressful to the fish (no chasing them down and netting them) and less work for me!
I came across this article in Pond Trade Magazine on overwintering koi in very cold midwestern winters and wanted to get the reactions/feedback of all the more experienced koi keepers here.
Thanks! Jenny
Here is a link that might be useful: Overwintering koi under thick ice - article from Pond Trade Magazine
i'm in south eastern va. here people use a water troff heater the ones for cows water and air raters (i'm so not good at spelling) but the things that add oxogen and move the water bubbling on top to release gasses from the water. but i'm going to bring mine in this winter.
the article you found is great, thank you for sharing it.
Jenny, that is one of the best written articles that I have read about "wintering a pond".
The author, Jamie Beyer, has certainly covered most of the bases in a very informative way and has avoided re-quoting some of the myths connected to wintering a pond.
His advice about preparing the pond for winter, well before the cold weather sets in, is great advice. There is nothing worse than trying to make a vent hole in the ice when the wind and snow are blowing and the temperatures are numbing.
Two aeration pumps, as he suggests, are of course the best way to go. Even people who use electric heat pond de-icers, should consider having a back-up plan in place, just in case the heater stops working.
Never, never, never hammer on an ice covered pond to break a hole through after it is frozen over, as the shock-waves could damage the fishes hearing or even cause fish deaths.
I use a small water pump to keep a portion of my pond open and I also cover the pond over completely with a frame and translucent tarp. It keeps the wind from blowing over the water and locks in some heat from the sun. That may not be a practical plan for you in Zone 3.
I'm in Zone 5b and our winters can be harsh but we don't have the prolonged cold season that you encounter.
David (DRH) is away way up there in the frozen tundra of Vermont (Zone 4) and he has used an air pump and air stone in his pond over the winter, with great success for many years.
I even believe he has a similar system in the floor of his igloo so he can ice fish all season.:-)
I'm sure he will chip in with some very wise words of wisdom about over-wintering a pond. In fact David,Ronaye and Steve, submitted an article, some years ago, to the *FAQ on this pond forum, about this very subject.
* FAQ is at the top of the message posting page.
I saved that article for reference for my climate. I tried 2 years in a row to overwinter fish in my pond with aeration but no heater. By the time January hit with our
-35C (sometimes -40C which is the same as -40F) the air dome had frozen over. Both times the fish were popsicles in the spring. Since the ice in my pond doesn't leave until mid April I bring my fish in every year. They are housed in a 300 gal tank in the basement and the water temp doesn't go below 70F so they don't get the "dormant" period the article talks about. I feed them all winter but only once a day and they are fine. There are people here who overwinter their koi in their ponds but they run aeration and 1500Watt stock tank heaters. Others have built a frame over their pond, plywood on top of that and straw bales on top of that--with aeration in the pond. I don't have access to straw bales and my pond is peanut shaped so kinda hard to build a frame over it. So I guess bottom line is either bring them in or experiment.
Laura - thanks for the great article! I think that between the two articles I should be able to make something work!
Horton - As always, your advice is invaluable! Can't wait to see what you have to say about my pond expansion plans that I'm going to run by the forum later. Found a great seller of epdm on Craigslist that sells the stuff for .25 a square foot. Going to pick up a 18 x 19 piece on Saturday! Only $86!!!!
I'm going to be digging a 4' x 5' addition to the pond this fall that will be about 6' deep. It will be connected to the main pond but will be separated in a way that I can block off the two sections. My eventual plan is to herd the koi (or more likely lure them with food) into the deep section for the winter and block off the entrance to the main pond.
I'm not sure if I should build some sort of green house over the section the koi will be wintering in or just let the snow do it's insulating effect. Unfortunately, the snowfall in the last few winters has been sparse. Last year we had probably 3' at one point but that is the largest amount we've had for years....most years it's been about 18" at any one time. northern ponders, any recommendations?
This winter will be the experimental stage. I'm going to go to PetSmart and buy some el cheapo koi to throw in there and see what happens. My pet koi are going into an insulated stock tank in my garage that will be aerated and have a homemade deicer in it (thanks Horton for pointing me to Greg Bickel's dvd!) I'll be back with a full report in the spring telling you how the experimental koi fared! :-)
As Horton has mentioned, I live here in Northern Vermont - not as far north as some, but we get a bit of "cool weather" - typically down in the -20's. I've been wintering my Koi & Comets in our pond with nothing more than an aerator for many years with no loss other than a few of the Comets which get eaten by the larger Koi. The catch with this approach is that your pond must be deep enough. What is enough? It depends how deep the frost layer will penetrate the soil. Around here all buildings are designed with a minimum 4 foot deep frost wall. Our pond, however, is only a tad over 3 feet deep. Yet in all the winters we've been here I've not had frost penetrate much over two feet. The maximum ice thickness I've ever recorded is 18" but more typically around 12"-14" about 5 feet away from the aerator. According to what you've listed for your zone (3b) you may find the frost level penetrates significantly deeper unless you receive a fair amount of snow cover. Areas that only get 6" frost penetration can probably get by with an aerator and a 2 foot deep pond. By the way, if you do use an aerator do NOT walk out to the hole and check it!!! I can personally attest that the ice is very thin next to where the bubbles come up .... and the water is VERY cold! :-))
One thing not mentioned in the article/website you attached is location of the bubbler. I don't put it directly on the bottom of the pond but rather suspend it about 18" below the surface for two reasons: 1.)So I don't stir up anything on the bottom. The slow currents created with a suspended bubbler are sufficient to distribute oxygen evenly but without stirring up other "stuff". 2.)The amount of air from a bubbler/air pump is highly dependent on the back-pressure exerted on the pump or rather how much water depth the pump has to pump against. Some of these little pumps can only handle 2-3' of water head so if you had a fairly deep pond and placed the aerator at 5 feet or so you'd get no air coming out.
Plus the fact I really, really like the fact that my system only consumes 4.5 watts!!!!! My New England DNA won't let me hook up that 2500 watt tank heater!!!!
P.S. I think Horton lives down in the banana belt somewhere!!!
Thanks David for the info! The author of the original article did address aerator depth in the comments section at the end in answer to a reader's question. He recommended putting the aerator all the way to the bottom. But, your rationale about keeping it suspended a bit off the bottom in order to stir up stuff makes sense. Even with the best cleaning I can give the bottom before the freeze up, I'm sure stuff will still be left behind in addition to other stuff finding its way in before the pond ices over.
I've put in an email to the local extension office to see if anyone can tell me what the average frost penetration is for my area. Hopefully that will give me some info on how deep is deep enough for the new pond addition. Since the snow has not been plentiful over the last several years, I'm not going to count on snow cover to add an insulating effect. I'd rather just make sure I get below the frost line from the get go.
I'm glad to hear that you've managed to over winter your fish with no problems. As I wrote in the comment section for the article I referenced, after spending more time in the past several winters than I care to remember freezing my *ss off sitting on the ice trying to catch fish, I knew that fish survive just fine in near freezing water and that, in fact, is the norm for them in the winters. So, I just couldn't understand why my koi couldn't do the same. Of course, they are a different breed of fish but even the very, very invasive asian flying carp are surviving just fine in the mighty Mississippi as far north as La Crosse, WI (about 50 miles south of Minneapolis/St. Paul). As an aside, everyone pray they never make their way into the Great Lakes...it will be devestating!
I know that other zone 3ers on here have not had any luck overwintering their fish so I'm gonna get all the best info I can when I build the new deep addition and trial it with some guinea pig fish this winter. Hopefully, if enough of us igloo-dwellers (you're in good company David!) can get our fish to survive the brutal winters, we can have some definitive recommendations that will help all the other crazy cold lovers like us help their fish make it through the winter.
David, can I ask what brand of pump you use and where you store it when it's running over the winter? I live in a very cold climate (zone 3 because of my elevation) and I'm concerned about condensation freezing in the line. Has that been a problem for you?
Do you use a variation on the plastic bucket design in the link, or do you keep the pump in a shelter such as a garage?
My next question. What happens if the power goes out? We're in the woods and it's not unusual for a big storm to take down a branch and with it our power, too, every couple of winters or so.
My husband thinks that it would be necessary to have a check valve in the line near the airstone so that water wouldn't flow back into the line and freeze during a power outage. Do you have a check valve? Have you been through a power outage? How did you deal with it?
I'm thinking about getting fish next spring and trying the air bubbler solution to wintering them over. We can usually count on snow here and my pond is 4 feet deep, so I think I would have enough open water, even under heavy ice.
My husband and I are just trying to foresee and head off potential problems ... nothing like being able to share experiences from folks who've been there, done that.
Jenny, I much prefer the cold to the heat! I've indicated a url below that should pop up a folder containing a pdf document for building a float - it's about the third document down in the list. There are also so couple of jpegs showing what it looks like. I've put this out here before and I know the data for the cost comparison is out of date but I believe it's all relative. The fundamental aspect was building a float which I could anchor in the middle of the pond to hold the aerator at a fixed spot and depth. The light bulb in a pot? Not sure it would work this far north.
Hi Marn! As to what type of air pump? I've been using Hagen Optima pumps - they're rated 4.5 watts, approximately 5 liters/min. Note that the air flowrate is "free air capacity" meaning no back pressure on the pump. Picked mine up at our local Pet Store (Petsmart) and have also ordered one through Amazon a year or two ago. They run about $38-$40 U.S. and you can get a kit for rebuilding one for around $2-$5. However, the exact type of pump doesn't matter too much...you want something with a little bit of umph behind it; something that moves 4 to 5 liters/min
As to enclosure...yes, you will want one. It can be nothing more than a rubbermaid tub turned upside down or a pail. In the document below I believe I described how I built one using slabs of foam insulation (left over from building the float - I bought the pink, 1 1/2" thick foam board - comes in 10 foot lengths so plenty left over to make a "pump box" or if you like you can use the blue foam board!). The foam board adds a bit of insulation to help keep the pump somewhat warmed. You do NOT want to put the pump in the garage or inside your house or any inside place!!!! What happens - very rapidly - is the pump sends out that warmish air. The warmish air is loaded with humidity which condenses in the air line and freezes solid. Usually only takes an hour or two to plug that way. By putting the "enclosure" - my foam box - out in the open - see jpegs in folder below - then the air pulled into the pump will already be at a dewpoint to avoid condensation in the line. I do not use or need a check valve since I make a point of keeping the pump & enclosure about 6" or so above the water level...no way for the water to back up into it. If I lose power and the water backs up into the line and freezes I've got a couple of options. The easy one - I keep a spare air stone and line handy or you can pour hot water on the air line to thaw it out.
The plastic film on the "teepee" structure - I tried using polyethylene on year but it broke down due over time. Best thing was when I was able to get the dry cleaner bags (they'll usually give you a couple for free!) which were made of the un-environmentally friendly stuff...but they would hold up for 3 years! May have to get some film they use for greenhouses this year - the UV stabilized material.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Here is a link that might be useful: Folder containing pictures and schematics
Dr David,
Thank you so much for sharing your schematics and experience! I am feeling like I'm very well armed with plenty of info about helping my fish survive outdoors over the winter.
Just a few more questions before I go out and buy some guinea pigs - aka exeperimental fish - for the winter. I thought I'd ask the questions here on the forum so everyone can get the info. I figure if I have a question there is bound to be someone else out there who is wondering the same thing.
First, it sounds like from your posts that I shouldn't even bother wasting my time making one of the lightbulb deicers because they just don't do much in the northern zones when the really cold snaps hit. It seems like you've found that the aerators are sufficient to keep a hole open in the ice. Is that an accurate statement? And, what do you do when the really cold weather hits to keep the ice open? Is the aerator enough? The winters have been fairly mild here the last few winters but, it is still normal to get a really cold snap where the temps do not get above 0 degrees Farenheit (that includes during the daytime also) for about 10-14 days in mid to late January. Would I be wise to get a electricity guzzling stock tank heater to run during those few days? Like you, the thought of keeping that running all winter makes my New England DNA cringe! Well, I'm not from New England but I think I might have some in me because we both think alike on that matter! But, I could probably suck it up and put it on for the really cold, cold snap that always hits in January.
Second, does the plastic tent you designed to go over the air stone float prevent an ice dome from forming over the open hole in the ice? If it doesn't, at what temps (both daytime and overnight lows) do you recommend that I should be going outside and checking the hole for ice domes? And, if I do have ice domes, what is the best way to handle it? Poke holes? Splash some warm water? Does the tent need to be removed?
Okay I better stop with the questions for now and wait for a few answers. My mind is already starting to spin out of control with a bunch of possibilities and "what ifs"!
Are you starting to get some color in the maples in VT yet? First hints are showing up here already. Summers go so fast, don't they? Of course, what would life be if we didn't have snow shoveling to look forward to? LOL
Thanks again, Jenny
Hi Jenny,
First, the more important questions: Nope, leaf peeper season hasn't started yet! That's usually the end of September - first week in October (for the Champlain Valley). Already many motels and Hotels are booked solid. Shoveling snow?? When one is retired it is irrelevant. You get up, you look out, you say "oh, it snowed last night; looks like 18". Isn't it pretty". You have another cup of tea/coffee; go back to bed or not. Wait until Spring to shovel out. Not-a-problem!
Now to your questions: First let's deal with some heresy: a hole in your ice DOES NOT MATTER! Gasp! WHAT DID HE SAY??? Nope, it's all about providing a surface for gas exchange. IF... you're using a heater, a light bulb, stock tank heater, etc. then it IS about keeping a hole open since that is the only surface over which the gas exchange can take place. However, with an aerator the gas exchange surface is in the bubbles...NOT in the hole that may or may not be in the ice. All that air you pump in there has to go somewhere otherwise you'd have the equivalent of one of those air-hockey games only with an "ice puck" floating on an air cushion! But that doesn't happen...the air finds a way out - through a crack, through the edges, though a hole. So if it "domes over"...so what? The air is STILL finding a way out. And because you are pumping air in it is the aggregate surface area of all those bubbles that is providing the surface area for gas exchange...and it is HUGE! With a stocktank heater in our neighborhood with our winters you might get a few square feet for a hole although at -20F you might find it disappears! But the aeration approach continues to put out 10's of square feet of surface area every minute!!! As a result not only will you keep more than enough oxygen in there (not really that much of a problem given that the metabolisms for the fish are almost non-existent as well as the microbes involved in consuming organics - and oxygen - aren't doing too much...but still not exactly zero!) but you will be stripping out ammonia and carbon dioxide and other gases you wouldn't want trapped under the ice. This is the real benefit of the approach to using aeration.
As to the plastic tent? Not sure it does too much although it does allow me to see the hole for an extra couple of months. But I've had it get ice inside, even an inch or so ABOVE the water level... but still not really relevant as long as the aerator/bubbler is doing it's thing. Note the ice auger in one picture...I went out to check one fine February day (think high of -10°F!). Couldn't really see a hole in the ice under the teepee. Drilled a hole and looked...yep, everything was working fine. But the ice melted out under the teepee more about a month before it melted out of the pond so there is some solar benefit. The real purpose of the floating thing is to hold the aerator above the bottom of the pond.
As to adding a stock tank heater on the coldest days?? I wouldn't bother. If you lived in zone 6 or 7 you might have some impact on the temperature in or around the heater but in my zone (and I suspect yours) adding even a 2500 watt heater is akin to performing a particular bodily function into the wind! Yes, it probably will melt out a hole, but once the heater is down near the bottom of the pond with an outside temperature of say -15° or -25°F I suspect there will be no measurable impact on water temperature. Having a heater on hand, however, does provide a way to work on thawing out a line if it develops an ice plug. I don't own a heater since, as mentioned above, I use other approaches for that problem.
Like I said.. it works for me and as posted in the URL above it works for other folks as well. The problem is to understand that you are not really trying to HEAT the water to some acceptable limit but rather maintain a surface area open for gas exchange. I like cheap. I like what works...and so far, over several years, it has worked for me. The biggest factor will be whether your pond depth and volume will provide the heat transfer necessary to keep a water layer below the ice, i.e., making sure the whole (no pun intended!) thing doesn't freeze up!
My pond is about 3' deep and is only 150 or so gals. Like David I have some pretty cold weather up in the mountains.
I put my bubbler on an old birdbath stand with a garbage can inverted over it to protect it from the elements. Worked great all winter. Because I can't get to the pond once it snows, I never know how well it works, but so far the fish have been alive in the spring.
I used to cover the pond with a frame and plastic but one year the frame broke. Now I am using old windows from a pop-up camper that fit perfectly over the pond.
The link below will take you to pictures I posted in a thread about bubblers a couple of years ago.
Thanks David, Horton and everyone else who contributed to this thread!
Okay, I think I'm about 95% confident I can get my fish through the winter. Still debating whether or not I should try this winter or not. I read somewhere - I think on Greg Bickal's site that koi should be at least spawning age before attempting to overwinter outdoors.
I'll keep you all posted on the fate of my fish! The maples have officially started changing colors and fall is definitely in the air so I will know soon. thanks again!!! :-)
HI everyone,
If anyone is interested I tried to overwinter my koi this past winter using Doc David's advice posted on this thread and here is what has happened.
All the stars finally lined up today: the pond opened up AND it was light enough after work to put the AquaVu down in the pond and see what was going on 6 feet down.
In case anyone is wondering an AquaVu is an underwater fish camera marketed to anglers. Anyway, got the bf out there with his AquaVu to see if anything was living in the pond. Along with a bumper crop of string algae already blooming we managed to find 2 live koi swimming around.
I started the winter with 6 koi and 2 shubunkins. My bf speculated the koi were spooked by his camera and probably all of them are still alive down there; we just couldn't see them because they were swimming away from the camera. He looked carefully for any dead fish carcasses on the bottom and couldn't find any nor were any floating on the top.
Soooo...SUCCESS!!! I'm really excited especially since we had over 10 consecutive days of below zero weather in January.
I'll come back and let you know the final fish count once the water warms up and the fish start getting active enough that I can see them without the aid of an underwater camera.
PS Thanks Doctor David!!! Worked like a charm!


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