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Having spent a minute or two researching the history of Mothers Day I find it fascinating (especially being one myself!) that this tradition is still going strong. (more…)
Chips (wooden)
Georgian Houses are beautiful to look at, and a pleasure to live in. They are however a complete nightmare to heat. Despite 3 foot thick walls and knee deep roof insulation there seems to be little one can do with large sash windows. It is clear how much heat is lost through the windows when opening shutters which have been closed overnight, its just like opening a fridge door as a wall of cold air enters the room. (more…)
Epic Weather!
Having only just cleared the last of the damage to our trees caused by the gale we suffered here on Christmas Eve, we watch with horror the devastation being caused further South. Although we lost three tree and had major branch damage we seem to have got off lightly so far. We have seen no snow here on the coast this year to date, and only a couple of slight frosts. (more…)
Autumn Delights
Autumn Delights
All of apples have now been picked and juiced. Normally this labour of love falls to Wendy and I, but this year Charlie and his crew plus Ian our Groundsman achieved in an afternoon what normally takes us two or three days. We had an enormous crop this year (although plums and pears were not so good) so lots of lovely apple juice. How difficult is it to make cider?? (more…)
Homegrown Fruit & Veg
Watching the national evening news tonight. Tube strikes, massive rail fare rises, appalling state of inner city schools etc which caused me to reflect on how lucky we are up here in the Highlands of Scotland. (more…)
Beech Bums
When we came here some 22 years ago the parkland at the front of the house had a number of magnificent mature beech tree. I have read that after a couple of hundred years beech trees start to decline and drop limbs for no apparent reason. This has been happening to us for the last five years or so, indeed the last time was only a week ago. We were rebuilding the boundary wall to the north of the house on a lovely hot 25 degree afternoon when a large limb some 20 inches in diameter split lengthways and sagged to the ground. (more…)
Busy Bee – Not Me!
I have been a casual beekeeper for a number of years now. We started off with three hives of the local black bees which thrived for the first three years, then started to decline. Despite efforts to shore up the dwindling populations we eventually lost the last hive this winter. No sign of any disease, and despite a couple of poor summers we would not normally have expected these losses a few years ago.
The current decline in bee populations is well documented at the moment, and it does seem odd that urban bee keepers are not experiencing the same percentage of losses as those of us surrounded by countryside.
Whilst scanning the internet looking for all things bee I came across these bumble bee hives and bought one to see if it would prosper here. The small hive and the colony arrived a few weeks ago and is thriving wonderfully well, great to see as bumble bee populations are also under threat. I would encourage anyone who wants bees but no suit, smoker or stings (or honey }to look at these little marvels. There is absolutely no upkeep, but there are lots and lots of beautiful bees bumbling and pollinating round our garden again. Apparently the hive dies out over winter (although some queens will survive to start again next year} but the company simply supply another cassette population next spring, and I believe that for around £70 per annum this has to be one of the best investments we have made for some time – we are going to buy more hives next spring and dot them round the walled garden and orchard..
As I said earlier there is no honey, but there is no work involved either – ideal for the lazy environmentalist and for those of us who love to see those fat, striped little marvels hard at work whilst we sip a glass of chilled white wine.
Check out – www.dragonfli.co.uk/bees/beepol-lodge
An Inspector Calls
An Inspector Calls
We had a brace of Hotel inspectors in to see us the other week. After all
these years we know many of them, but in this case neither of them had been
before. Inspectors generally come singly, book in advance, and do not declare
themselves until checkout in the morning. At this stage they will sit down with
whomsoever wants to discuss the visit, and go through their experience.
Some individuals in the industry seem to resent the inspecting bodies, but we
have found them to be helpful, informative, and extremely knowledgeable.
Anyone who visits several hundred establishments a year, and is trained in the
job normally has a lot to offer if you care to ask questions beyond the "how did
we do?" level. Many inspectors have been chefs, hoteliers or wine bu
Wot no snow!
Wot no snow!
I may yet regret these words, but the weather here in February and early March has been outstanding. Almost every day the same, cold frosty mornings with clear blue sky's giving way to a fairly warm day with no wind to speak of followed by another cold frosty night.
The snow plough we purchased the year before last after two of the worst winter's in recent years languishes in the shed still waiting to see snow. Machinery has of course replaced most of the manual labour in the fields. The garden here would have had at least six permanent garden staff a hundred years ago. Now we have a part time lady and a groundsman who does a million other things (including a lot of tea drinking).
Twenty years ago we would have spent days and days raking leaves in the Autumn, now with a large leaf blower be can do the job more effectively in a matter of hours.
What cannot be replaced (fortunately) is the sheer wonderment caused by plants bursting from the earth each Spring. No matter how many times I see this annual miracle (this will be number 69 – though I confess I cannot remember the first half dozen years) it still makes me realize how privileged we are to be able to get dirt under our fingernails, and home grown produce on our table.
Now brace yourselves for snow!
Greenhouse Blues
Greenhouse Blues (or rather BS??? Pale Stone)
We certainly live in area of outstanding natural contradictions (beauty too of
course) Last week we had howling gales and snow, this week we have T shirt
weather (if you come from round these parts) and snow drops, winter aconites,
cyclamen and crocus miraculously sprouting all around us.
I would have had more time to admire them if Wendy had not decided that the
greenhouse needed a makeover. The entire frontage came out – all eight metres-
and was replaced by new timbers. This is work enough but of course we then
had the inevitable change of paint colours, why it is inevitable is a matter of
mystery to the average male, but inevitable it invariably is.
No complaints though some thirty litres of timber preservative, floor paint and
wall coatings the greenhouse is now a thing of beauty – or it will be when we
have scraped the paint dribbles from the glass.
If you happen to be wandering round our walled garden this Spring or Summer
do pause to admire our handywork, but be warned that anyone disagreeing with
the choice of colours will be badly beaten with a four inch paint brush!
Ian and I did breathe a momentary sigh of relief as the paint pots were stowed
away, but only until we realised that this now clears the way for the frenzied
planting of the first batch of seedlings, which in turn leads on to pricking out and
then to planting out and rather a lot of weeding.
Wonder if the potting shed needs the roof replacing?


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Conference MVP signs with Nuggets For immediate release . . . May 31, 2007 NEW ORLEANS — Ciara Taylor, a 5-foot-10 forward from Contra Costa College of San Pablo, Calif., and the most valuable player of the Bay Valley Conference this past season, has signed a women's basketball scholarship with Xavier University of Louisiana. Taylor, from Hayward, Calif., averaged 8.4 points and 5.8 rebounds per game in 2006-07. She was second-team all-state after helping Contra Costa go 28-9 and win the conference championship. As a freshman at Contra Costa in 2005-06, Taylor averaged a team-leading 10.3 points and had two triple-doubles for a 21-15 team. She was third-team all-state and first-team all-conference. Taylor will have two seasons of eligibility at Xavier. "Ciara is quick enough to do it all," Xavier Coach Bo Browder said. "Her mid-range game is real. She's one of the best players we've signed in the past six years. She will make her teammates better, and she will make a major impact on our program." Taylor is a 2005 graduate of Hayward High School and was first-team all-league three times. She is the niece of Terrell Lowery, who hit .282 in four seasons (1997-2000) of Major League Baseball. Taylor is the Gold Nuggets' fourth signed recruit for the 2007-08 season and the first from outside Louisiana. Previously signed were guard Shayla Boyd and forwards Danielle Jones and Johnna Williams, all from the Baton Rouge area.
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Eleven years ago, Elaine Ng Yi Lei had an affair with Jackie Chan and gave birth to their daughter,Cheuk Lam. After the scandal broke out, the married Jackie dismissed the affair by saying, "I committed a wrong-doing that men all over the world are guilty of!"
Afterwards, Elaine moved to Shanghai with her daughter, who grew up in a single parent family due to her father's absence. Allegedly, Jackie gave a monthly stipend of $350,000 (Yuan) to Elaine. The amount would pay for living expenses and substitute for his fatherly responsibilities. In the last decade, Jackie never spoke about his illegitimate daughter and they led separate lives as if they were strangers.
Allegedly, Elaine hoped to send her daughter to the United States [to attend boarding school]. As a result, Elaine accepted several advertisement jobs to earn extra income recently. Due to the National Holiday on October 1st in China , Elaine took advantage of the holiday season to return to Hong Kong with her daughter. On a recent Causeway Bay shopping trip, reporters spotted eleven year-old Cheuk Lam, who resembled Elaine closely.
Due to Jackie Chan's inappropriate remarks regarding the Hong Kong tourist deaths in the Philippines several in August, he aroused the wrath of many people. In recent months, Jackie has been living in his Beijing mansion. Although Jackie's daughter, Cheuk Lam, is currently in Hong Kong , she lacked the opportunity to meet her father once again.
Source: Tom.com
Jayne: Many men do cheat in relationships, whether they are married or not. Some extra-marital affairs are just more public than others. I found Jackie's statement, "I committed a wrong-doing that men all over the world are guilty of," to have a dismissive nature. He appears to justify his adultery by saying that it's a common thing about men, dismissing its importance. From the sound of things, Jackie does not appear to be an involved father for Cheuk Lam. He even denied he was the father when Elaine's pregnancy first surfaced and there may even have been DNA tests conducted.
With the upcoming November elections in New York State , it reminded me of former Governor, Eliot Spitzer's prostitution scandal. Spitzer's prostitution habit became the butt of many jokes, but I found his actions to be highly disturbing. Along with regular extra-marital affairs, apparently it's common for men (from good backgrounds and education) to pay for sex. I know of a few friends' friends who have paid for sex. They are well-educated men who hold professional jobs.
While traveling to Xian, China several years ago, the 4 star hotel we stayed at had a karaoke bar that offered escort services. I saw some of these girls in the elevator and they were probably 18 to early 20s. Prostitution seems to be a common and accepted practice in China . In fact, many men who vacation in China seem to love paying for these "high quality" prostitutes. "Sex vacation tours" are common in Asia and in one particularly disturbing news expose, tours that involve child prostitutes are in high demand.
Is it the convenience of paid sex that makes men gravitate towards prostitutes? They don't have to work hard to impress a woman at the bar to have a one-night stand. Are the men so lazy? Or there is no possibility of rejection if sex is paid for? Is there a sense of power that the men have when they pay for sex and the woman will not say no? Some men's preference for child prostitution is in a class of its own, which I find to be especially disturbing.
Men pay money to have sex with a prostitute. Keeping a mistress involves paying for her living expenses. Perhaps men have more feelings for their mistresses. But ethically, they are not very far apart from each other. If sexually-transmitted-diseases were not a concern, I believe that more men will sleep with prostitutes.
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I really hate Jackie Chan's comments on many important, sensitive issues. It really makes him lose credibiity and the respect of people as an international icon who is supposed to be a good role model for people. Just the way he responded to the bus incidend in Philippines, and the way he denied that he was the father and then dismissed the extremity of what he did by saying that men all over are guilty of it, as if it's so normal. Cheating and paid sex are becoming common, but for it to come from an international celebrity that is supposed to be influential to others, he should be ashamed of the way he dismissed what he did. The money that he gives them monthly can no way replace the lack of fatherly love that his daughter never had these 11 years. I was just wondering how he and Elaine met in the first place? She was never really active in movies or series, was she?
first u are just too damn dumb to realize that jacky chen has a point on his tweet but u simplistic people always looks down on people who come out with things the way it is.
Maybe jackie did mess up for his affair but he is human and what happen to him happen to many normal and celebrity people. He is trying to make up for it now.
I think they met when he was making a movie. I believe she was involved in the making of the movie, perhaps had a role in it.
She's 11 now? How time flies. Thank god she doesn't look like him. And I think she will do better without such a father. Look Elaine was no angel but Jackie was no saint either. He has been having god knows how many affairs, except this time she got pregnant. Anyway I hope he is still paying for her expenses. He can afford it. And if the mother had to work to send her to school, which is a bit dramatic if she is taking money from Jackie, the better way is to force him to pay more through courts. All those advertisements jobs and all, don't you think those are just for drama? If Jackie is paying her?
lol too funny u think 350,000 yuan is not enough let me ask have u ever seen that much money. 350,000 about 50,000 dollars is more then 98% of american jobs a month and u think thats not enough. Think about it how many womens get that much money in child support? probably about 3 others
50000USD may be a lot for other women but we are talking about Jackie Chan here who is worth multi millions, at the least. I never said it is not enough but if he can afford it why not?
He's probably not paying her enough. How many men do even when they've been married to the woman?
I didn't find Jackie's comment about the bus tragedy to be offensive. I don't like it when people let their emotions take over in situations like that. People should calm down, read/listen to the comment again, and think outside the box before they jump to conclusions. Jackie didn't applaud the way the Philippines police handled the situation, he didn't encourage people to smile and take pictures at the scene; all he said was that situations like those are sad because the "end results" are always tragic, hard to prevent, and will always anger people. Well, guess what? What he said was true. Why? Because when we're speaking in hindsight perspective, it's ALWAYS EASIER TO ASSUME "WHAT IF…", "WHY DIDN'T THEY…", "SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS…" I felt many people just jumped on the wagon and attacked Jackie because they're angry, hurt, and too emotional to rationalize what he said. Would those people say the same thing if Philippines citizens were killed in China or Hong Kong in a similar situation? What makes them 100% sure that the police force in China or Hong Kong would have done something different to prevent any Philippines citizens from harm? Remember people, it's always easier to point your finger and/or blame someone when you're on the other side of the grass; but what if the shoe was on the foot?
As much as I hate having the idiotic Bush as president for 8 years, I would never blame him & his ignorance for 9/11. We should be united, supportive, and forgiving in tragic situations rather than look for a scapegoat, take our anger out on someone else, and jump to conclusions. Because when you let your emotions take precedence over reasons and facts, you're channeling your energy in the wrong direction. You'll be surrounded by mistrust, anger, and hatred…not things you need in a time when you need to be strong, optimistic, and hopeful in order to move on and heal. Therefore, don't let your emotions take over when you're mad because chances are you're not thinking things through so you're more likely to misinterpret/misunderstand people and things.
Actually, if you look closely, the girl does look a little like Jaycee Chan (jackie's son with Lin Fong Jiao). I think I've lost my respect for Jackie Chan after his many inappropriate responses in different situations. The other irritation about him is how he plays up to the West's version of Chinese by speaking in bad English. If Chow Yuen Fatt & other actors can take time to learn & speak well, why can't Jackie Chan…
I don't think Bush was idiotic nor was he ignorant of 9/11. There were many factors and many people who could be blamed but ultimately those who flew the planes were to be blamed and no one else. Obama doesn't fare better. Bush just had the bad luck of having presided over that horrible tragedy early in his presidency which shaped his actions to come.
He was a C student. He went into a war when he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. What kind of president WOULD you call him? Oh wait, maybe not idiotic, maybe not ignorant, maybe just evil.
The philipines police were truly incompetent. Again knowing who to blame. Kidnapper too but the police certainly didn't help matters. But if this was France, they would have stormed in and shoot anyway. Americans would wait and negotiate for hours till the point the kidnapper kills everyone. China would have stormed in as well. HK I am not sure but I am sure the kidnapper is alive and arrested would have been sentenced lightly. Malaysia? Probably will pay him off or just say to all his demands and then arrest him.
Funn, what are your basis for what each country would do if the same tragedy happened to them?
Anyway, jacky chan is an arrogant fool. Everyone knows he's a married man … Elaine jumped at the situation and now she's got money for her daughter and herself. I pity the daughter, Jaycee and Lin Feng Qiao.
Jackie Chen is STUPID, he can not read or write English and Chinese. So, he is true player when dating many girlfriends that aren't intelligent.
yea and he has more money then u will every have how much more stupid that made u
Are you saying he's illiterate in BOTH language? OMG!
Guess Jackie is a stupid illiterate who laughs all the way to the bank. Incidentally,also one of the richest Chinese man on earth. So who needs to read and write in Chinese or English? lol!
First of all, I really don't like that comment that Jackie made, but then again… Did he really say it?? Or did the news reporter stick words into his mouth?? I used to believe everything that I read the in papers, but not anymore… Unless, I actually heard them actually say it on a live interview or something.I also agree with Trang about Jackie's bus comment. I think people just misunderstood what he said.
About this incident, who really knows the whole story behind it? I am not defending Jackie, but since we don't know the whole story behind it, who really knows?? But I do agree that he should not neglect his responsibilities as a father since his daughter is innocent. All of the money in the world cannot buy back the time and love that he should have given his daughter all these years….
pandamao, just past observation since some did have similar happenings (although some are seige and not kidnapping per se) and what they actually did.
Like US is the really tragic Waco seige
France I believe was a plane seige, they just stormed in and started shooting. They do no negotiate with terrorists
Malaysia is a hunch.
HK in its past had been very lenient to kidnappers that it took China to finish off one very prolific kidnapper even if legally sorta murky area how China got to pushed the jurisdiction to their own country. Can't remember the kidnapper's name.
Anyway purely past observation.
I think the French probably disregards the whole negotiating aspect to let all terrorist know, they mean business.
I was just wondering since I wasn't too familiar with how these situations are normally handled in the books. It seems like the one in charge at the moment makes all the call.
You see Jayne, We (men) are kinda already paying for sex the first time you go out on a date with a girl. You take them out, pay for their shit, treat them to a good time and this process could take days before you hit the gold mine. After you hit that gold mine, you gotta think about feelings and what not (that is if it wasn't a one nighter. Whereas with a prostitute you go right to it with no strings attached and you get variety here.
What Jackie is saying is true, we are all dogs. It's hardwired into our male instincts and our culture. I like Jackie as an actor and entertainer, but not so much as a person that just pays off his responsibilities.
EkinFan, men spend a lot of money on women. A single guy will be able to save so much more. In some relationships, the man always pays for dates, dinner, vacations etc. But in my circle of friends, we also treat our guys and pay for dinner and dates too. I think in a fair relationship, there is give-and-take on both ends, including who pays the bills.
So with a prostitute, there is less consideration about feelings. There is big convenience and variety. It depends on what the man is looking for. Prostitution is at the extreme end of a "no nonsense sexual" relationships where money makes it simple.
In the past, a female friend told me that if you want to keep your boyfriend, you have to give in to sex early in the relationship. Or else the man will get frustrated and may move on. However, your comment about only "taking days to hit the gold mine" is a little fast-paced for my own ideals though. Although I guess having sex within the first week of dating is not uncommon either. Maybe I should run an anonymous poll just to find out.
first week? i'm with you Jayne – old school.
I'm sad that EkinFan felt that buying things for the girl he dated and paying for their meals together is paying for sex and all the things he paid for her are shit. I'm so sorry that you have such bad feelings when you pay for your girlfriend.
It's even sadder that he thinks all men think like that because he does.
Jayne, it's the culture change. I remember watching a standup comedy show by Micheal Hui and he reminiscence about the past dating culture where it was more innocent. The guy will court the girl for some time before he get to hold her hand and it's all slow but sweet.
Also, I believe many faithful men will disagree with Jackie Chan's statement of him making a mistake that all men will make. Some men who really cherish his wife will not make this mistake. I have a guy friend who strongly against legalising prostitution because he took into consideration of the feeling of wives. He actually asked me 'How would you feel if your husband next time go to prostitute?' Another guy was disgusted by a play we saw that made fun of large breast. He said why need to use women's breast as joke and said that it is very disrespectful to women. Another man who has been married for a long time said that if the husband and wife's love is strong and have great trust for one another, they will not stray however big the temptation because they don't want to lost this trust.
So, girls. Read Ekinfan's comment. If you are serious about a guy, don't give in so early. He might not have develope enough feelings for you for him to 'think about feelings and what not' if you let him hit the gold mine so early. :p
But, anyway, if the guy will leave you if you don't give in early in the relationship, is he worth keeping?
I personally don't think that all guys are pigs/dogs since there are good and bad guys just like there are good and bad girls. I also don't believe that it is right to always make the guy pay for everything, especially if the girl also works and makes her own money. It is only fair if she also treats and pays sometimes because I think it is so messed up to always have the guy pay. There should always be a balance. I think it is just the traditional view of thinking if you believe that it is the guy that always has to pay. I really hate it when a girl takes advantage of a guy and vice versa. It just makes me sick….
About the sex thing, I guess I am traditional since I would want to wait until I get married. I think if a guy doesn't respect that then he may not be the one for you. I personally would be bummed if I lost it to a guy that may not be my future husband. But then, that may be too ideal since times are different now.
I totally agree that should not let a guy have it so early or else he may in some cases lose respect for you. He may think you are way too "easy". One of my former classmates told me that you should never be too easy on any guy or else they will not know how to treasure you…
I agree that in today's world, for the guy to always foot the bill for everything is not a rule nor is it polite anymore but i feel the guy should at least pay for the first date as a sign of good faith.. And i don't agree that just because the guy is paying for everything then the girl has to put out unless of course both parties agree to this sort of a relationship.
Call me old fashioned but I still believe that a girl should wait until after marriage and to only do it with her husband. I mean if the guy truly loves and cares for the girl then he would respect her wishes and be willing to wait. If he is just in it to 'hit the gold mine', then this is not the sort of guy not worth it and the girl can do better.
"You see Jayne, We (men) are kinda already paying for sex the first time you go out on a date with a girl. You take them out, pay for their shit, treat them to a good time and this process could take days before you hit the gold mine. After you hit that gold mine, you gotta think about feelings and what not (that is if it wasn't a one nighter. Whereas with a prostitute you go right to it with no strings attached and you get variety here."
That's a very negative view of your own sex, assuming you're a guy. To equate all efforts used on a decent girl is to in the end bed her is maybe true in context for some men but yet very pessimistic view. If such is the case and if the effort is so difficult, well hiring a prostitute seems easier.
Some men do like the chase. Some girls do like being chased. I agree some girls are materialistic. I agree some men do all efforts to bed the girl. But some, that tiny sum, and in my wholly positive view of men, some men are true gentlemen and girls true ladies. Dinners, movies, dating, flowers, kissing, holding hands, etc are part of being romantic, are part of what some call relationship. I don't think all men are pigs or all women are "suckers" (you know, suck the money away) BUT I do believe chilvary is dead.
You know the best way to bed the girl you want perhaps on the first night? A tip from a girl; treat her decent. Treat her not like a princess, that would be spoiling her but treat her like a lady. Open doors for her, be chilvarous, be a gentleman. This is even more effective than money spent. I mean I am old fashioned, I like a guy who opens doors for me even if I can open that darn door, I like it if a guy opens for me and I am sure a guy would appreciate a shy smile in return. This is called flirtation.
As for how long a girl should wait, etc, well this is the modern world. Hardly could find anyone who hasn't had a first time. I despise most those who wears those purity rings only to dress like a complete slut, if you know what I mean or a guy who jumps from girl to girl. Don't hide behind the purity ring.
It is a choice. Wait if you wish, and if you don't, damn well be sure you're a willing participant taking ALL precautions because believe me, not all parents would take care of that parasite in you if you make a mistake. I have someone told me he saw 2 12 year olds holding hands saying I love yous. How cute eh? Puppy love? Knowing kids today, I would believe within months there goes another one.
I do hate it when people say "You have no self respect" if that older person finds out the younger girl or guy slept with someone before marriage. Our bodies is made for that specific purpose and it is made feeling good simply to achieve one goal; pregnancy. That the way we are made biologically. So can't blame the kids. But you know at least wait until you're old enough to find work and pay off the education of that kid.
P/S CY the guy can forward the same argument saying "If you love me you will show me" sort of nonsense. So now if "If you love me you will wait" vs "if you love me you will show me". Believe me the girls will always back down or if the girl is made from stronger stuff, the guy will in the end move on to another. If he doesn't get it from you, he will get it elsewhere.
P/S CY the guy can forward the same argument saying "If you love me you will show me" sort of nonsense. So now if "If you love me you will wait" vs "if you love me you will show me". Believe me the girls will always back down or if the girl is made from stronger stuff, the guy will in the end move on to another. If he doesn't get it from you, he will get it elsewhere.
Funn, if this is the case, I'll rather he move on because we already are incompatible in our values. How to be together in the long run?
Girls shouldn't give in to this kind of pressure because not all guys will be responsible if accident happens. If the guy brush his hands off, the girl will have to bear all the consequences. You can't even sue him for maintenance since you 2 are not married.
Funn, like what Kidd said, if that's the case then I'd rather he move on because we just have too different values to be able to have a lasting relationship. Besides, I agree that girls don't and shouldn't give into this kind of pressure. Guys who use this type of argument just strike me as jerks who are in it to sleep with the girl and then move on and like Kidd pointed out, there's nothing the girl can do about it if accidents happen and the guy doesn't want to be responsible. I know that the girl can't really blame the guy for not taking responsibilty if both parties were willing in the first place but I just don't see the point of putting oneself through this grief just for a night of fun.
I guess in this aspect I'm quite a prude and old fashioned but I still believe that a girl's first time is a special thing that should only be shared with her life-long partner aka her husband. If the guy can't understand that then I guess he just won't be the one for me.
Kidd, you can sue him on behalf of the child. However the amount is minimal.
I am pretty open minded. I would think it is a personal choice so I am not here to judge on who's right or wrong. Everybody has their values so I am happy to read there are people in this world who won't jump into something and not having a set of values.
However just for discussion sake, better check out the goods first. Don't want to marry a guy into sado masochistic stuff you know. Or someone sexually selfish. Whatever that may be, make sure do a full background check on the guy or girl.
With so much headache sometimes I am rather glad I am alone but like I used to say come Valentine's day I feel rather too alone!
Yup, to each his/her own. As long as the person is happy with it then it's their life to lead.
Haha, I've had that discussion with my friends before. I guess it would be a good idea, just not sure how to bring it up though. LOL.
Sometimes I also think that the headaches and heartaches that come with relationships are more trouble than they are worth haha, but I guess only time will tell.
You're right Funn about a very tiny part of men that are still noble, but then how would you able to sort them out? There are guys acting nice all the time just to hit it and quit it. A sort of wolf in sheep's clothing. In fact, that's probably the oldest trick in the book. Sure, maybe the guys I hang out with are all dawgs, but to be honest, most of the guys I've ever met at least act that way.
So, if you ladies are hanging out with so called "good men", good for you otherwise they are just (as the Chinese saying goes) luring sheep into the tigers mouth.
Lim, Now that you laid out the gameplan for a one night stand, I would like to take you out on to date. Lets eat somewhere preferably with a lot of doors. =)
I appreciate everyone's honesty about sexual attitudes in a relationship. When I was in my young teens, I wished to wait to get married and save myself for my future husband. I am glad to hear that these values still exist and that sex is not treated so casually.
As I became older and talked to more friends, this may not always be a realistic scenario though. Overall, guys are engineered biologically differently. A man is usually attracted to a woman physically first and probably thinking of bedding her already on the first date. He may not make the move to do so, but he can certainly think it. Lust and love are often hard to separate in a guy's mind. For a guy and even some women, I do believe that lust comes first, admiration, mutual respect, and finally love. Even then, love takes awhile to develop.
Dating someone for 1 to 3 months, how well do you know that person that you can say it is real love? What we have in an early part of a relationship is usually a very good friendship, a closeness, and lust. Are these factors enough to make the woman comfortable enough to sleep with the man? Many guys already lust after their girlfriends after the first few dates, so they would have asked already.
From Kidd: "Funn, if this is the case, I'll rather he move on because we already are incompatible in our values. How to be together in the long run?"
Relationships are about compromise. How long to wait before the relationship turns sexual is also an issue to be compromised. Most guys are okay to wait until the woman feels ready (and this could take months), but not necessarily wait until marriage due to their biological needs.
I believe that one's sexual attitudes, as with other beliefs and values in life, may evolve as we get older and be shaped by our own experiences, the friends we meet, etc. I also think that the more dating experience a person has (men and women included), the shorter the "waiting time" is before the relationship turns sexual.
I think relationships are difficult to sustain in the mid-term without love and sex, such as 3 to 5 year relationships. Because the man will always want it. I agree with Funn's view that from a practical standpoint, finding out about each other's sexual preferences first is a good idea, after you've gotten to know each other in other aspects well first.
So in navigating the dating scene, know yourself and what you are looking for. Like EkinFan said, there are wolves hiding in sheep's clothing: men who are after one thing only. That's fine as long both people are interestd in having a good time together. Not all dating relationships have to be deep or about marriage. The woman can enjoy the sexual relationship as much as the man (think "Sex and the City") as long as there are no illusions and deliberate lies of the future or marriage when there are no intentions to do so.
I do believe that we tend to surround ourselves who share the same values and are a reflection of ourselves in some way. Hopefully for the men we date, they share the same values as well. Experience will teach us to be a better judge of other people's characters. One thing though, do not expect to change a man in a relationship. If he had a "player" past before, don't expect him to be any different while dating you. Otherwise, it is ignoring the warning flags.
From Kidd: "Girls shouldn't give in to this kind of pressure because not all guys will be responsible if accident happens. If the guy brush his hands off, the girl will have to bear all the consequences. You can't even sue him for maintenance since you 2 are not married."
That's why birth control should not be left in the guy's hands alone. A woman should take birth control into her own hands. Not every man will marry you just because you are pregnant. An unwanted child can disrupt our life plans. Our parents may not always be around to help us.
Nice input Jayne.
This Jackie Chan article has turned into a Dear Jayne relationship column.
Thanks for your message Jayne and you addressed some really good points. My parents have always been traditional and don't believe in premartial sex. I also want to wait until I get married but I know that that may not be realistic. One of my close friends told me that one time since she is experienced. However, she is lucky that she dated only one guy in her whole life and is now married to the same guy too.That is really rare these days.
Besides pregnancy, there should also be STD concerns as well. There are many people who don't think about this stuff and just go with it to keep a guy. But sadly, the next thing you know, you can suddenly break up with him but have already lost it… I would feel so sad if that happened to me. However, it is the modern times now and things have changed. I guess girls should not be required to still be "virgins" before marriage. But sadly there are people like my mom who thinks that a guy would dump you if he found out that you have lost it. She lives in the old and traditional world though that is just way too ideal for today's standards.
@EkinFan says: October 25, 2010 at 2:38 pm
You see Jayne, We (men) are kinda already paying for sex the first time you go out on a date with a girl. You take them out, pay for their shit, treat them to a good time and this process could take days before you hit the gold mine.
not all girls are high maintenance. If you choose to go after a high maintenance chick then that's your choice. You have to prepare to put up the costs!
Have you all read that Karen Owen thesis? That girl certainly gets around and my god, how cruel of her to taunt some of the men. However I do think she was rather honest and strangely enjoyed reading her "experiences" or as she calls it "research". But how cold and calculating, was she ever in a relationship during her college days at all I wonder?
She is one example you don't want to be. And to write that report… or thesis as she calls it; internet is perpetual. The entire uncensored document is hard to find but not THAT hard. So it shows, be careful what and who you send your stuff to. 3 people and one of them could forward it to another.
Some men are great actors but lousy parents. Some are lousy parents but greats actors. He is neither. I have no respect for anyone who totally ignores the existence (giving money is TOO EASY, he has more than millions)of your own child? Well, he is an action actor and his movies gave me some laughs and that's about it. The man, unlike Bruce Lee, has no charisma.
I must agree, in this day and age, men just don't have the patience to wait and those who do, ofcourse, aren't plenty. However, i won't entirely shift the blame on men alone just yet. n this era, when technology and materialism flourish, we want to take a careful look at the thinking of the times and ask ourselves whether or not this is a good age to live in. Science has made great advances in technology and that certainly counts as good. But we should also realize the truth of the saying, "anything taken to the ultimate point transforms into its opposite." In the case of technological advances, good things also beckon misfortune. Let's look at television, for example. TV plays a huge role in shaping and fostering how our youth view things.(Internet now becomes the ultimate replacing TV but i wont' get into that) Have you seen how TV drama and especially reality tv are coming out these days? Girls wearing skimpy clothes and have casual sex with guys. You name it! Kids sit in front of the tv screen all day intaking these kinds of "role model." i'm not surprised how they will turn out.
From a practical point of view men seeking prostitutes or one-night stands largely revolves around two interrelated concerns of convenience and control.
For most guys, they'll want it and do it and they move on to do other things. Which is why its so much more convenient to pay or just 'hook up' because everyone is on the same page.
There are some guys who understand the base nature of obtaining entirely physical pleasure from sex thus learn to 'control' or slowly regulate that arguably instinctive need. People must remember instincts are not necessarily self-serving just because they are instincts.
I think its just modern media has allowed people to be more upfront about their desires and for those people to 'hook up'. Its giving a positive light, a cool light, to something traditionally seen as taboo to confess regardless how one felt or what one did. It may be the case that people are more open to fulfilling their sexual needs, not necessarily an increase of it. Prostitution is the oldest occupation.
Culturally speaking, 'sex after marriage' value is very Christian- and the breakdown of religiosity in the West is the major factor why women now are much more open to one-night-stands also. For the East however, 'sex after marriage' was largely a value rooted in male chauvinism. Men only married virgins because psycho-physically, men did not want 'their property to be tainted'.
If people can understand the breakdown of both those old values in the West and East, the sanctity of 'sex after marriage' is not apparent. The idealism sought to replace those two values, that sex is cherished in its own right to be shared with ones' eternal lover, is fated to die because our world today teaches us no 'ideal' is definite. Further if you can grasp the fact your 'body' is no more valuable to every other person, subject to wear and tear, separated to the mind- you can no longer argue there is much to 'cherish'. Is not medical surgery just as invasive as sex?
Wow, what an objective point of view. Based purely on reason alone, you are absolutely right, SDS. But for many people, including myself, as much as I see no apparent meaning in giving up physical intimacy later on, emotionally, it does leave an impact.
I cannot say that I'm not affected emotionally on the issue as sex brings people closer together – cements the intimate relationship, if you will. You don't just do that with anyone (though you can.)
Most girls strive to build an emotional relationship with their s.o. first before they do the act. It makes the act so much more meaningful, and also tests the sincerity of the men they date.
If you want to look at this objectively – women are the egg holders, and it is men's desire to seek them out in order to produce the next generation. From a biological standpoint, however, it takes a lot of physical and environmental resources to nurture children. So women HAVE to be choosy with whom they entrust their eggs to.
Thus, it makes sense why women would be withholding intimacy more than men. Main point: don't have sex with the guy unless you don't care if you might end up getting impregnated by him.
I know you might counter that condoms, birth control, etc. are all modern conveniences which helps to curb pregnancies. But these are biological instincts ingrained in women.
We don't give until we are sure men are here to stay. And it should be that way.
I know someone that would frequent "massage" parlors often. Recently I heard he had contracted AIDS. Do I feel sorry for him… HELL NO! You get what you deserve.
ok. first people should not be poking in somebodies personal life and second bumbarding people about embarrasing questions is not right its rude and hurt full and he's human everyone makes mistakes, it happens
Many husbands give nothing to their wives. Jackie Chan can be considered very generous towards Elaine Ng. I heard that he is paying her lot – more than what our Malaysian professional women are earning. The woman we should sympathize with is Joan Lin Feng Chiao! I hope that she is living happily now but how can she really be happy when her husband …
Funny how you all seem to disregard that if Jackie's inital comment was made in his native language of Cantonese it's the person who translated into English that may be to blame. If it was translated word for word without an ounce of emotion in it, then it's no wonder something crap comes out of it! You all just amuse me!
So, what should be the correct translation for his comment? Maybe you can do more justice to Jackie's words?
Hi Jayne
Bumped into this website of yours. Love this post of yours. I totally agree with you that a lot of men out there are into child prostitution now. They thought they won't get transmitted by any disease and only need to pay much lower price than the other prostitutes! They just simply love satisfying their lust without even thinking of the consequences
Are men into child prostitutes simply for price and concern for Sexually-transmitted diseases? Or there is a greater sexual perversion at work? I think it's their attraction to a child's innocence and glee in the power and domination of a young body and spirit.


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No doubt the most extreme case involves Clifton Lamb, a fifth-grade teacher at Dr. Edward L. Whigham Elementary School in South Miami-Dade. He not only was charged with breaking the district's corporal punishment rule, but criminally charged as well.
A white fifth-grade boy (whose name has been removed from the records) told school police that on April 4, 2000, some other students were joking with Lamb about a �booger� hanging out of Lamb's nose. The boy chimed in: �That's your mama hanging out of your nose.�
�Mr. Lamb became upset and grabbed [the student] by his shirt collar and left shoulder and pulled him across the hallway,� the report reads. �Mr. Lamb took [the student] into his classroom, which had no other students inside, and grabbed him by his face. Mr. Lamb then told [him]: �I don't like you, I don't want to talk to you, and I don't want to see you.'� Lamb then allegedly let him go, and he ran crying from the school, yelling that he was going to tell his parents what happened.
In investigating this incident, school police also determined that Lamb would regularly make students who misbehaved stand in the corner holding heavy books over their heads. In fact while school police Sgt. Dermot Horgan was at the school interviewing the principal on May 15, he went into Lamb's classroom and witnessed a student standing in the corner holding two books over his head. �I took the books and placed them into evidence,� Horgan wrote, noting that he advised Lamb not to use corporal punishment.
By this time the first student's parents had contacted the State Attorney's Office about Lamb allegedly grabbing their child. Horgan also had been in touch with the SAO. When Lamb and his union representative showed up at the Region 6 school police station on June 2, Horgan arrested Lamb for battery, a misdemeanor.
Lamb was forced to resign from the district and is awaiting trial in the criminal case. No date has been set.
Although the Lamb case actually has resulted in criminal charges, and several of the others described some rather shameful smacks, grabs, and slaps, none of these cases received the amount of media attention, or whipped up as much outrage, as the Milhomme case. The Miami Herald and local television stations followed the case closely at the time of her arrest -- precisely because Mariefrance Milhomme, unlike the other alleged spankers in the district, had been charged with felony child abuse.
Her criminal attorney in the case was Miami attorney Edward Tobin, who remains perplexed at the district's aggressive pursuit of his onetime client. �I thought there was a separate agenda at work here,� Tobin says. �There was somebody up in the school system who had an agenda -- one that had nothing to do with corporal punishment. Somebody had an ax to grind.�
This assessment may be accurate. As New Times detailed in a feature story (�A Lesson in Mismanagement,� May 20, 1999), a group of some half-dozen teachers at Reeves Elementary had a laundry list of complaints against the school and principal Diane Paschal. Many of these problems stemmed from the teachers' displeasure with the Edison Project, the for-profit education management company that operates the school under a contract with the school district. But some of these disaffected teachers also cited other problems at the school, notably the openness with which Paschal permitted some teachers to practice their chosen form of Christianity, and with the corporal punishment occurring in the school. Those teachers blew the whistle not only on Milhomme, but on Paschal herself.
Paschal was never arrested or charged criminally. The arrest of Milhomme, though, prompted a swift and determined response from the parents of many of her students. At Milhomme's arraignment, several parents stood in the audience wearing hastily printed T-shirts that read, �Miss Milhomme, we got your back.� When the SAO dropped the charges against the teacher, the parents turned their attention to the school district and began holding strategy meetings on how best to pressure the school administration to stop its investigation of Milhomme and get her back into the classroom.
�Miss Milhomme has a passion for kids,� said Anita Latson, mother of one of Milhomme's first-graders. �The children were whining and crying in class, saying, �I thought Miss Milhomme was coming back.'� Like most of the other parents, Latson said she didn't mind that the teacher had used corporal punishment.
But when Jasmin Farquharson's son, Seth Gordon, told her he had been among the first-graders Milhomme had paddled, Farquharson was livid. �I don't oppose corporal punishment,� she says. �If a parent decides to do it, it's his or her business. But kids go to school to learn, not to be beaten.� Farquharson, a black woman originally from Jamaica, has retained an attorney and is considering legal action against the school district.
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Emily Maynard's quest to find love ends up a success, HollywoodLife.com can confirm exclusively.
Not only does Emily say "yes" to skater boy, Jef Holm, on the season finale of the Bachelorette, but the two aren't wasting time — they're already planning their wedding day!
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I would like to see the twist that Emily realizes she shouldn't have sent Sean home and that when Chris Harrison asks Emily if she feels she is betraying both of them (Jef & Arie) that it's because she decided on Sean. And it would be awesome, if like the other times he went after Emily for another kiss.
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I think that Jef and Emily look good together. It really doesn't matter that he looks like a boy, as he is very genuine and he loves her deeply. Looking back on the last episode, I don't think she made the right choice sending Sean home, but it is her choice and she has to follow her heart. I don't think it is fair to put either one down, as none of knows them personally, and things can seem different on TV than they can in real life. Emily deserves happiness, as she sure wouldn't have got it from brad, that is for sure. At this point, it is hard to know exactly how it will end, as watching the previews of the finale, it appears she doesn't choose either one, but only time will tell for sure. I just hope that finds the happiness she needs for her and Ricki.
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Well if this true about Emily she need to start being lady wearing dresses for morman don't wear short short and they can't party and must of all they can't say bad curse word like she did early with kalon that not in the faith and there kids are to married there religion not out they are mustly home school good luck Little Ricki you going be in a camp. if your mother picks Jef.
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Obviously, certain Mormons swear – even on TV!!! Remember Jef's infamous quote "I want to date you hard and marry the f**k out of you? Also, Jef is a rebel and his family seems to have accepted that. They are thrilled that she is the one that can "tame" the free spirited Jef. I think his parents and family are THRILLED to have Emily and Ricki in their and Jef's life.
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JEF is definately not an active member of the church and I am a LDS myself and i dont know where you got your info but MORMONS CAN!! party there is something called free agency wether you choose to curse or not and yes they can marry out of the religion but it would be best if they married in in and NO i dont know where you got home school from that is just BS! lol
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When was the last time we heard any news regarding the Phantom? More importantly, when was the last time we heard any good news regarding the Phantom? Now those fun-loving toaster manufacturers over at Infinium Labs are in the headlines again, thanks to the resignation of their Chief Executive Officer, Kevin Bachus. Bachus, who'd only begun presiding over Infinium in August, allegedly resigned to "pursue other opportunities." Rumors that he rowed away in the only lifeboat, shouting obscenities about the captain going down with the ship have since been denied. In his stead, Infinium's former European director Greg Koler will serve as temporary CEO, CFO, and president. Despite this setback, Infinium remains dutifully dedicated to releasing the Phantom distribution service, "soon," a stance they have maintained since the late Mesozoic.
So what's the deal, Infinium? Electronic distribution is supposed to be the wave of the future, and you had the chance to get in on the ground floor. Back in 65,000,000 B.C. this whole "streaming online content" thing sounded brilliant, but nowadays, with services such as Steam, GameTap, Xbox Live, and Nintendo's upcoming Revolution allowing us virtual access to a plethora of amazing games over broadband, the Phantom's looking more and more evanescent by the day.
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So why is Down Syndrome still a "syndrome?" It's a Trisomy 21 disorder, causes measurable anatomical effects and has a fairly consistent set of symptoms, that vary with the severity of the disorder.
To me, Lyme Disease is more of a syndrome by that definition. Yes, the cause is known, but the symptoms can be nonexistent or life threatening, and tend to change. Some people may have fever and joint pain. Others may not have either, but may just have fatigue and headaches. The symptoms aren't that consistent, or there wouldn't be so many people who go undiagnosed for so long, whereas most doctors can spot a Down Syndrome baby at birth. So many people who have Lyme Disease are "finally" diagnosed with it after being treated for a dozen other disorders first.


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This bronze figure of a Union Soldier facing South with gun in hand was built to honor Colorado's Civil War heroes and to promote civic pride. The stone base of this monument is adorned with four tablets that list the battles and the names of the Soldiers who died. Also chiseled into the base of this grand memorial is the proud statement that Colorado had the highest average number of volunteers in the Civil War of any state or territory in the Union. The plaque on the north face of the monument simply reads, "For the Unknown Dead." The statue was unveiled on July 24, 1909, at the Colorado State Capitol. (Photo © 2010 Deborah Grigsby Illustrative Photography/Used with permission)
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, March 23, 2012
CONTACT: Army National Guard Lt. Col. Jamison Herrera505-474-1206
CENTENNIAL, Colo. (3/23/12) – The Colorado and New Mexico National Guards will perform a memorial ceremony to honor the fallen Soldiers of the Civil War battle of Glorieta Pass March 28.
A ceremony will begin at 9 a.m. at Santa Fe National Cemetery in Santa Fe, N.M.
The event is free and open to the public.
March 26-28 marks the 150th anniversary of the Battle of Glorieta Pass, during which a Union force comprising Colorado and New Mexico Guardsmen, along with a smaller number of federal Soldiers, defeated Confederate forces in what some historians have called the "Gettysburg of the West."
Pre-ceremony music will be performed starting at 8:30 a.m.
The Colorado Army National Guard's 101st Army Band will perform and invocations will be given by the state Chaplain of the Colorado National Guard and the archdiocese of Santa Fe. Historians and authors will be on hand to give accounts of the battle.
Adjutants general from Texas, New Mexico and Colorado will attend.
A funeral procession will follow the remarks, while a wreath laying and an F-16 flyover will help commemorate the fallen Americans who perished in 1862 battle.
In the afternoon, the Colorado National Guard will hold a commemoration ceremony at the Kozlowski's Ranch location of the Pecos National Historical Park.
This event will also feature the Colorado Army National Guard's 101st Army band, and remarks will be given by the state adjutants general. The afternoon event will begin at 1:30 p.m. and is scheduled to conclude at 2:30 p.m.
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Both times had efficienices in the mid 50s 10gal Igloo mash tun single rest at 153-155F (first batch at 60min, 2nd batch at 90min) batch sparge on both batches probably too cool on the sparge water (was 168, but from what I read should be much hotter to get bed temp of 170) thought it was mash time, so I raised it 50% on the 2nd recipe (went from 60 to 90min). I doubt the "cool" sparge drops efficiency that much so I'm inclined to believe its the grain crush. I made no attempt to correct the OG by boiling off excess water prior to hop addition. first batch was good (palmers brown ale recipe), just lower ABV. Hope 2nd batch doesn't suck too bad. I wanted to boil off the excess, but it was getting late last night and didn't have the 1-2 hours needed Its a super hopped IPA so I fear its not going to be quite balanced haha. Both batches crushed by LHBS. I just gave in and ordered a MM3 (std roller with 1/2" shaft). Hope this cures my problems Plan to do a few test mashes with basic grains to measure consistency in efficiency before trying a new batch.
More details about the sparge would help give a better picture. If you sparged only once try sparging two or three times to increase efficiency. I noticed a big jump when I went from one to two.
Thanks for the reply. I used a single sparge with 15min rest. There's lots of info in here that said minimal noticed difference going from single to multple sparges. considering I'm 20% down, I have a hard time believing sparge is the only problem. what kind of increase did you see going from 1 to 2? Hey, at least I justifed buying a new piece of equipment I figure the other variables will be worked out in my test mashouts.
I had this problem too when crushing at my LBHS. I started running the grain twice and noticed a difference.
thats how I justified the mill purchase...just another variable I can control
I'm betting on crush. If you stir like crazy at every turn from dough-in thru sparge, it doesn't matter if it's hot or cold sparge or one or three sparges...your efficiency will be similar. Crush greatly affects it though.
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What's your water like?
Honestly, never tested, but I do have a clean underground spring source. I did use the PH stabilizer in the last mash to try it (with no dissernable difference). Guess I'll defer until after I get my new mill and try it out. So many variables, can't really change more than one at a time to know what has the most influence
I looked at the spent grist and see quite a few uncracked grains...


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The breakfast buffet was excellent, the staff were very nice.
The location of the elevator and hot tub was cold and very dirty.
Very nice, modern and clean.
You had to pay for the Internet and no breakfast was not included.
Friendly, quick service. Nice, quiet room. Comfy bedding.
The nice spaces to sit and work on my computer. The nice breakfast buffet. The consideration from the front desk to give me a room on the first floor, near the entrance. The ice and vending machines were perfectly located.
The beds were too hard; the bathroom had only one sink for two and the bathroom would have been improved with a magnifying mirror. The HVAC system in the room was a ittle hard to understand.
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Very friendly and helpful staff.
Nothing, all was good.
Good breakfast
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Mini refrigerator wasn't very cold.
The staff here was great. The room was clean and I had such a great night of sleep. It was the perfect place for me to stay for a night. If I had to make one complaint, it would be that it can be sort of difficult to get to depending on which direction you are coming from. But overall it was amazing.
Good wifi, clean room, didn't smell like smoke, easy check in.
The workout room was filled with kids every morning/afternoon I tried to use it. Everything else was great. I don't want to sound like a Grinch about kids being in the workout room but it made it impossible to use when they were playing the whole time.
beds were comfy, provided your sheets fit, which ours didn't. The location is good, once you find it. It was quiet, even though located near a freeway (couldn't hear it. The pool area was nice, including a wading pool with fountains. Well equipped.
We chose this after staying in New Orleans Homewood. Not the same. The maids are lazy, half inch of dust under beds, the sheet for our king would've fit a queen, was torn. Room never vacuumed in 5 days, towels barely changed, breakfast was inedible.
The room was excellent!!
The breakfast was horrible!! That's the only thing I didn't like. Food tasted fake!!!
The ease of checking in with out of town people arriving before me.
we heard music all night! found out since our room was right over the reception area it was the music piped outside that was not turned down after hours.
The location and the price
Found a bug in the bed was not happy about that
The room itself was better than expected. We were very impressed.
Some of the other guests were extra loud, but that is no fault of the hotel itself.
Great location, friendly staff, lots of services. Wow what a hidden gem of a place!
Location and price.
Room next to elevator which made noise at night.
Elevators were broken and we're not repaired during our 2 night stay-Was checked in under another person by my same name in a different state and did not realize it until I was given that persons receipt when I checked out- discovered on my way home
Restaurant for breajfast
No coffee in room ? Milk at breakfast. 3 sips worth $2.75
Bed and pillows were comfortable, had good water pressure
The room didn't seem to want to cool down, this might be because of the climate change, that was the first time I stayed in Louisiana
Room was large and very clean. An excellent experience.
There was no negatives.
Okay for the price but nothing special
The owner banged the supply boxes open while we were eating breakfast Inconsiderate and rude.
The location
I didn't like the construction going on all nite at the burger King next door..I'm pregnant and I was very irritated by it.
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Loya's Lowdown: Edition 3
Cliff Loya is a member of the
Wheeling Nailers (ECHL) and will be blogging for Faceoff-Factor
outlining life as a professional hockey player. He runs hockey camps and small ice 3-on-3 leagues in the Pittsburgh area during the summers. His is web site is: nelitehockey.com. |
Time for another addition of Loya's Lowdown. I apologize for the amount of time between entries, but we've had a real hectic schedule lately.
The team has rebounded after a dreadful 2-7-1 start and we're now flirting with a .500 record. Currently, we stand at 8-10-2, but we're just 7 points out of first in our division – a small gap to make up at this point in the season.
We're coming into a stretch of games where we'll be playing 15 games in 31 days. To say this stretch is important is an understatement. For us to get to the top of the standings, we need to put together a nice win streak, and I think we can.
As if this schedule was not brutal enough, you have to deal with scenarios such as the following:
One weekend, we play Friday night at home (Wheeling, WV) then travel to Kalamazoo, MI for a Saturday night game. That's about a 7 hour bus ride between two games spaced 24 hours apart.
But wait the hits keep on coming!
After the game in Kalamazoo, we travel back to Wheeling and play another game at 3 pm Sunday afternoon.
For those of you keeping score, that's 3 games and 14 hours on a bus in a span of 45 hours – or less than two full days.
Talk about a kick to the pills!
In the end, it is part of the job and every team has to deal with stretches like this, but that doesn't make it any easier for the team.
Personally, I don't mind playing so many games. The more games you play the less you practice. And when you do practice, it's generally pretty short, to conserve the players' energy.
Call me Allen Iverson, but that's okay with me.
I think one of the main reasons for the recent success of the team is the simple fact that the guys are getting to know one another better.
There's a lot of turnover in minor league hockey from year to year and even within the season.
In the NHL, you can lock up guys to multiple year deals. This means there is consistency in the locker room. Consistency in personnel brings about consistency in play.
In the minors, all contracts are for one year, which means every year you have 22 guys that don't know each other and who are expected to win games.
That can be tough, and it often takes a while until the players gel. This is easier said than done.
Pittsburgh Penguins coach Dan Bylsma says that a team needs the first 20 games of the season to find their identity. This is especially true in minor league hockey, where predictability and chemistry are key.
After a good two months of playing together, we all know what each player's roles are. We know that in one situation "player A†is probably going to make a certain play with the puck, while "player B†may do something completely different. Everyone knows what our systems are and we rely on them heavily.
But maybe more important than the on-ice chemistry is the off-ice chemistry.
After living, traveling, and playing with all the guys for 20 games, everyone gets to know each other much better. There are more jokes in the locker room and everybody is comfortable around each other. It makes for a better working environment.
When the working environment is good, the results are good – and I think we're starting to see those results.
Well, that's it for this edition of Loya's Lowdown. I wish everybody a happy holiday and I will try to get another entry in soon!
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Storm deny boycott rumours
PUBLISHED: 16 Jul 2010 11:02:32 | UPDATED: 17 Jul 2010 04:00:45PRINT EDITION: 16 Jul 2010
Melbourne Storm officials have emphatically denied rumours their players will boycott the rest of the NRL season.
Club officials have quashed suggestions the Storm will not take the field against the New Zealand Warriors on Saturday, with the squad due to board a flight to Auckland at 1610 AEST on Friday as planned.
Melbourne radio station 3AW had reported a rumour the Storm players could pull out of their remaining matches this season following Thursday's release of an independent investigation into the club's salary cap rorting.
The audit, carried out by accounting firm Deloitte and announced by owners News Limited, found the Storm were $3.17 million over the cap since 2006, more than 80 per cent more than originally thought.
It also named 13 players who received payments outside the cap.
The club was stripped of two premierships by the NRL in April and is playing for no points this season.
When asked about the rumours, News Ltd owner John Hartigan told 3AW: "Look I don't know anything.
"You've cold decked me there, I certainly haven't heard that."
A Storm official said the rumours had no basis.
The squad were in a meeting on Friday morning before they were due to train, with a leading player likely to address the media on Friday afternoon.
Warriors chief executive Wayne Scurrah laughed off the suggestion that the Storm could boycott Saturday's match.
"We'd be pretty disappointed if they didn't turn up," Scurrah said.
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Abraham's Bosom and the (Light?) Side of Sheol
4/26/2012 ▲ 1115Have you ever wondered what happened to the Israelites when they died? Or what will happen to us? Do we lie immobile in the tomb until the final day? Or are we instantaneously reunited with the one who purchased us? Dante holds an interesting view, and comments accordingly in The Divine Comedy,
"I [Virgil] saw One come in majesty and awe,
And on His head were crowns of victory.
Our great first father's spirit He did withdraw,
And righteous Abel, Noah who built the ark,
Moses who gave and who obeyed the Law,
King David, Abraham the Patriarch,
Israel with his father and generation,
Rachel, for whom he did such deeds of mark,
With many another of His chosen nation;
These did He bless; and know, that ere that day
No human soul had ever seen salvation." (Dante, pp. 92-93)
Essentially, Dante (through Virgil) is claiming that after His death, Christ 'descended into hell' and rescued all those who trusted him prior to that point. Proponents of this view would cite Luke 16:19-31, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The argument says that since the rich man in Hell could speak to Lazarus (at Abraham's side), Abraham and Lazarus must not be in Heaven. Instead, they'd continue, Lazarus is in Sheol –a Hebrew word meaning Hell or the underworld. However, Lazarus is not in Hell – he is in a section of Sheol that is separated by "a great chasm" (Luke 16:26) from the Hell section of Sheol. This is referred to as "Abraham's Bosom," because of verse 22 of Luke 16. "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side." This would perhaps be backed by the definition of Sheol, which extends from Hell to simply a term used (often by David) to refer to the depths of despair. (cf. Ps. 139:8, Ps. 18:5, others)
Sheol was thought to possibly be a physical place, inside the earth. Numbers 16:31-33 supports this view in recording the results of Korah's rebellion:
"And as soon as he has finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. 32And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. 33So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly."
Finally, those who favor this view would cite Psalm 68:18 "You ascended on high, leading a host of captives in your train" saying that the "host of captives" were those in Abraham's Bosom, in the "Light Side" of Sheol, if you will.
The position is summed up well by Jon Payne in a letter to his congregation:
"The Roman Catholic position was solidified at the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) where they determined that "he descended into hell" meant that after Christ died His body went into the grave and His soul into hell. He did not, however, enter hell in order to undergo more suffering. Rather, Christ descended into hell as a victorious Savior and King, heralding His truth, proclaiming victory, subduing the devil and his minions, and freeing Old Covenant believers, not from suffering, but from a state of limbo where the beatific vision and glory of God had been withheld from them. Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church held that Christ liberated all those who were dwelling in purgatory and for whom, up until His death, was no access to heaven. The Eastern or Greek Orthodox Church possessed a similar position, espousing that Christ, in His spirit, descended into hell to rescue the Old Covenant people of God, along with the thief on the cross, and usher them into paradise. Of course, most poor interpretations of this little four-word phrase were based on a faulty understanding of passages such as Acts 2:27, Ephesians 4:9, and I Peter 3:18-20." (Payne)
And Calvin says,
'Others [say] that Christ descended to the souls of the patriarchs who died under the law, to announce his accomplished redemption, and bring them out of the prison in which they were confined. To this effect they wrest the passage in the psalms "He has broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder" (Ps. 107:16); and also the passage in Zechariah, "I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water" (Zech. 9:11)' (Calvin, p. 330)
However, I would disagree with this view. If all those who died before Christ's ultimate death were placed aside in an Upper Sheol (which, by the way, seems to make no sense – Sheol by definition means "low place") then what of Enoch and Elijah? Elijah was taken into heaven by chariots of fire "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." Is Elijah taken up to heaven, only to be plunged back down into the depths of the earth? Does the chariot of fire make a celestial u-turn? Or is Elijah of a special class? An elite group? Why then did Moses, the greatest prophet of all time (Deut. 33) not receive this privilege?
And the impression given from Luke's language (and Luke was not just any writer) is not that Abraham's Side is Sheol, but rather that 'Abraham's side' is a seat at a feast table. Some feast if it's taking place in Sheol.
And Luke's lack of detail shows that this is no physical place – rather, the few characteristics he mentions are solely to support the parable. The "great chasm" signifies not a physical span but rather the eternal distance between heaven and hell; the inseparable divide that is fixed after death. The rich man will never be granted a drink, he will never be relieved, hence the divide.
Paul explains Psalm 68 in Ephesians 4:8,
'But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift. Therefore it says
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men."'
He goes on to delineate the gifts given to the different members of the church. Basically what Paul is saying is that Christ "descended" (vs. 9) into Hell and then ascended, he led on high a host of captives – all the elect, not only those who awaited his coming, and he gave gifts to each member of his kingdom.
Calvin continues from above,
'Though this fable has the countenance of great authors, and is now also seriously defended by many as truth, it is nothing but a fable. To conclude from it that the souls of the dead are in prison is childish. And what occasion was there that the soul of Christ should go down thither to set them at liberty? I readily admit that Christ illumined them by the power of his Spirit, enabling them to perceive that the grace of which they had only a foretaste was then manifested to the world. And to this not improbably the passage of Peter may be applied, wherein he says, that Christ "went and preached to the spirits that were in prison" (or rather "a watch-tower") (1 Pet. 3:19). The purport of the context is, that believers who had died before that time were partakers of the same grace with ourselves: for he celebrates the power of Christ's death, in that he penetrated even to the dead, pious souls obtaining an immediate view of that visitation for which they had anxiously waited; while, on the other hand, the reprobate were more clearly convinced that they were completely excluded from salvation. Although the passage in Peter is not perfectly definite, we must not interpret as if he made no distinction between the righteous and the wicked: he only means to intimate, that the death of Christ was made known to both.' (Calvin, p. 331)
The point is that those who came before Christ were not refused the privilege of Heaven simply because the physical sacrifice had not yet been made. They had been redeemed, justified, and purchased. It is not as if God must await the result of the Crucifixion, hoping that Christ will succeed but all the while biting divine fingernails; – no, the Sovereign Yahweh of the Universe is not bound by time and will not be surprised by His own plan being carried out. The words of Christ echo still through eternity past, present and future, indeed, Abraham could hear "It is finished" as clearly as could the those surrounding the cross. To place the souls of those who precede Christ in a type of Limbo is to grossly diminish the sovereignty of God and his miraculous grace.
Works Cited
Calvin, J. (2008). Institutes of the Christian Religion (2nd Printing ed.). (H. Beveridge, Trans.) Peabody, Massachusetts, United States of America: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.
Dante. (1949). The Divine Comedy: Hell (25th Printing ed., Vol. I). (D. L. Sayers, Trans.) Harmondsworth, Middlesex, England: Penguin Books Ltd.
Payne, J. D. (n.d.). He Descended Into Hell. Retrieved from www.grace-pca.net: http://www.grace-pca.net/GenericPage/DisplayPage.aspx?guid=1CF8C5FB-8AAE-4EF4-8C04-2E1C73B937B8