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2008 Carver Graduate Education Summer Institute VISUALIZING RESEARCH: Institute Leaders: When journalist Naomi Klein launched her most recent book The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism in September 2007, she also launched something else: a short film, released on YouTube, that distilled the key elements of her written text in 6 minutes and 46 seconds of powerful animation, voiced by Klein.¹ By visualizing her text, the book's content took on greater meaning and Klein's arguments became more compelling and memorable. By releasing the film on YouTube, her ideas were made accessible for the world to ponder and debate. Similarly, Al Gore, who recently won the Nobel Peace Prize for bringing attention to the calamity of global warming, used media technology to make his case. Long before his book and movie An Inconvenient Truth, Gore made speeches on this complex topic more understandable by visualizing the research with an advanced multimedia PowerPoint presentation. What Klein and Gore have done, brilliantly, is take advantage of our digital culture. Today it is easier than ever to express ideas—journalistic, academic, or otherwise— through digital video, interactive slideshows, animated charts/graphics, and photo-imagery. Those of us interested in visually communicating research or artistic work can do what Klein and Gore have done: We can make a video, upload it to the web, and share it both locally and internationally. We can put our data into animation templates and create seamless interactive pie charts, conveniently drop those charts into a video, and present it to our colleagues in a PowerPoint document. We can search the web for public domain (i.e., copyright-free) photos to illustrate our scholarship in the classroom, for our peers, and beyond. (We might imagine how far Al Gore would have gotten if his ideas on global warming were only released in text documents.) Many of us already have the raw data—large compilations of digital images or photographic slides tucked away in files or boxes—that could be shared with other researchers in the same way ideas in text form are shared (e.g., via conference papers and publications). As libraries have reconsidered what kinds of things they should archive, there are now new possibilities for visual research to be distributed through library digital collections—including at UNI's Rod Library. In this way, research in digital visual form can be distributed to students, scholars, and the public globally. Moreover, visualized research becomes a new, more accessible entry point for others to understand the academic work generated at the University of Northern Iowa. Imagine a UNI webpage with links to many of the projects our faculty are involved with, presented visually, promoting the rich variety of scholarship originating at the University. I am proposing a 2008 Carver Graduate Education Summer Institute to help UNI Graduate Faculty get a strong foundation in visual culture—why visual culture has special significance in our digital age—and then apply that knowledge in practical ways: search for public domain visuals online to support their research, learn how to best visualize their scholarship using a range of digital tools, and present and/or publish their visualized research as multimedia projects, which may later be included in UNI's own digital collection of digital projects. This project is a truly interdisciplinary enterprise that can benefit all fields of research and creative activity. Graduate Faculty learning these digital skills will be able to teach them to their students, who can then take on visual initiatives of their own. The Institute will also foster interdisciplinary dialogue regarding our expanding digital culture, and offer a means for graduate students to collaborate with Graduate Faculty on subsequent visual projects. TOP ^ ¹The film, called The Shock Doctrine, was directed by established film director Alfonso Cuaron, and voiced by Klein. Anticipated Goals The First Goal of this Institute is to help faculty understand the significance of the visual as it relates to the communication of ideas and culture. Visual culture has gone through enormous shifts over the last 100 years. The introduction of mass photography at the turn of the century changed the way people understood their environment and the public record. It gave individuals a glimpse of places they would never otherwise see, and enabled regular people to record their own lives in a way they had never been able to do before. For the first time in history there existed an authentic visual record of the appearance and activities of the common man made without literary interpretation or bias. Since that time, photojournalism has captivated audiences and changed history (and, of course, we've also come to understand that there can be bias and manipulation in photographic and other visual images). Advertising culture has cluttered our visual spaces, but also gave us a new visual vocabulary from the bold European design of the 1960s to the MTV-style quick-cut editing of the 1980s. To understand how the visual has come to dominate our communication discourse, new fields have emerged in Visual Communication, Visual Literacy, and Visual Rhetoric. Today, visual innovations are coming from the fusion of computer programmers and digital media artists. This partnership has resulted in accessible tools for making multimedia, and has encouraged the emerging field of "visualization." We've long known that readers often skip a news story unless a picture is attached. Now journalism institutions like the New York Times are exploding with multimedia options, which do so much more to engage readers and provide a wider range of entry points into a story than a single image. The same applies for research, especially as it gravitates to the digital realm. The First Goal for this Institute is therefore to give UNI Graduate Faculty a contextual and theoretical base for understanding our increasingly visual culture, and to illustrate for them why digital visual culture matters in communicating theirs and other scholarly work. The Second Goal is to help our UNI faculty learn about the intense debates that have emerged in academic and legal circles about the role of libraries and nonprofit digital archives in the age of Google. Google, which trumpets the corporate slogan "Do No Evil," is nevertheless a publicly shared advertising conglomerate that can do much, in the coming years, to limit the open access of information. The role of librarians and nonprofit archivists in this battle over knowledge and Internet control has become critical. Carving out educational spaces on the Web at a time when the Web is increasingly commercialized is an issue that every academic should be aware of. As such, the Second Goal involves introducing Graduate Faculty to the core issues of Internet commercialization as well as the vast array of visual digital archives available online. Many of these archives are located at colleges and universities around the world, where digital librarians are spearheading a massive effort to make information—print, audio, visual, and graphic—available to the public as part of a global information commons. For example, the University of Iowa has a considerable digital archive including historical photos documenting American railroads and a database of images related to geoscience; Rod Library has a growing digital collections Unit that includes digital images of every UNI Yearbook between 1905 and 1923 and audio files of UNI jazz band performances. The University of Michigan is the home to Oaister, a rich database that has joined thousands of digital archives under one searchable interface. Indeed, virtually every academic library is now digitizing all types of media, not just texts, and making them available for public viewing and, when possible, appropriation. In addition to academic collections, The Library of Congress and the National Archive offer an ever-expanding range of downloadable media; commercial, user-generated databases such as Flickr, Buzznet, YouTube and Google Video offer a rich resource of images that are often free of copyright constraints; and nonprofit endeavors, such as the Internet Archive, contain a formidable collection of moving images, still photographs, audio files (including concert recordings), and open source software. It is my intent, in this Second Goal of this Summer Institute, to help UNI Graduate Faculty understand the debates surrounding libraries and the public sphere; become comfortable locating relevant digital archives (thus participating in the public sphere ideal of free information access), downloading the material, and understanding the range of clearances and copyright issues that go along with publishing and presenting visual work. The Third Goal for this Institute is to introduce Graduate Faculty to a range of multimedia software so they can assemble the visuals in a way that reinforces their scholarship. For example, an Institute participant might want to create an interactive audio slideshow, complete with captions, using a collection of images she downloaded from a digital archive. This may seem daunting, but it's not. For example, in the past year consumer-friendly slideshow tools such as Soundslides have emerged, which enable users to import images and audio and let the program do all the background code. Soundslides is one of many new—often open source—visual tools now available for transforming academic research into interactive maps; interactive, image-based timelines; interactive charts; and simple 2-D and 3-D animations. None of this requires a degree in computer science. All of it is affordable and accessible to use. Since faculty may come to this Institute with their own personal collections of photographs, maps, or other artifacts, or may be interested in building such collections in the future, part of this second goal is to teach faculty how to best digitize and scan their original materials. This would involve demonstrating different kinds of image formats, resolutions, and best practices for scanning and storing digital files. Beyond image scanning I would also offer an introduction to video capturing, as well as elementary skills in video and audio editing. As I tell my digital video editing students at UNI, if one can write well, one can edit video well: there's not a whole lot of difference between writing with words and writing with visuals. Indeed, a large part of the Third Goal, which all involves some form of media production, is to be hands-on, to demystify the technology (i.e., focus on content, not technology), and to help faculty create manageable and powerful multimedia. It is very probable that Graduate Faculty attending the workshop will have a range of levels regarding their experience and comfort with new technology. Some will need extra help; others will want to shoot ahead. I am familiar with this problem as I confront it regularly in classes where I teach aspects of multimedia to undergrads: no-one is ever on the same level. The problem is solved in two ways. First, the projects I introduce will be tiered to offer a number of starting points, from the very basic to the very advanced. Those who need extra help can stay at the basic level; those who are more advanced can add more complexity to their projects. I'm mostly interested in introducing Graduate Faculty to possibilities: if they can leave the Institute knowing what is possible in terms of multimedia creation, even if they haven't completed more advanced aspects of a project, they can work with their graduate students to learn the next steps, perhaps in interdisciplinary off-shoots after the Institute is over. Second, a plus of this Institute (and not of undergraduate classes) is that I will know well beforehand the skill levels and motivations of each participant. This will allow me to adapt each project so it fits very precisely with participant needs and goals. The Fourth Goal of this Institute is to help Graduate Faculty learn numerous ways to share or publish their visuals. To understand how to share and publish, we will need to understand the legal implications of copyright and intellectual property. Some scholars no longer refer to our era as the Information Age, but as the Copyright Age. These again are critical times for information, especially visual and audio information. Copyright issues have become an enormous area of debate in academic, legal, ethical, and corporate circles, with scholars such as Lawrence Lessig (Stanford) and Kembrew McLeod (the University of Iowa) calling for a drastic reinterpretation of current laws in order to accommodate our "digital re-write culture." With this Fourth Goal we would spend considerable time learning about these issues and these debates. From theory we will turn to practice. We will learn ways to upload media files into a PowerPoint presentation, as Al Gore has so aptly demonstrated—a first basic step. But what about turning that PowerPoint into an online slideshow? What about saving it as a video and uploading it to YouTube, the Internet Archive, or the Wikimedia Commons? What about developing a web page that offers both text and a variety of multimedia illustrations? These days, our exhibition venues have increased dramatically. One important venue that will factor into this Institute is Rod library. The Technical Services Department at Rod has already completed the groundwork for a robust institutional repository and is welcome to house any digital collection produced by UNI faculty. These are exciting times, not just in terms of digital archiving, but in the way academic institutions can relate to the public: Digital archives enable universities to promote their valuable research and expand the notion of a shared information commons. It's a way to make knowledge matter, and visuals are a large part of this reaching out. Accordingly, part of this institute will involve helping faculty contribute to UNI's institutional repository and help them negotiate copyright terms through the Creative Commons and other means. We will learn how to license our academic intellectual property through the Creative Commons, an open source organization established by Lessig. TOP ^ Examples of Interdisciplinary Applications Visuals are, or can be, a component of every area of scholarship and/or creative activity conducted at UNI. For example, over many years UNI biology professor Laura L. Jackson has assembled hundreds of photographs of prairie landscapes. Some of these images are slides; others are in digital form, and she has used them to support various stages of her research, but has never compiled them into a coherent archive. Because she has taken photographs over the course of a decade, she has valuable visual data to illustrate prairie development and decline. Similarly, UNI history professor Tom Conners has accumulated a rare collection of historical cartoons that would be a precious resource for other historians, graduate students, and interested publics. And Leonard Curtis, professor of theatre at UNI, has his own collection of Wagner-era postcards that, apart from a short-lived exhibition at UNI, lies hidden in his office. All of these visual collections, properly digitized and organized, could become valuable resources for UNI and beyond. Other UNI Graduate Faculty can invigorate their scholarship or creative work by accessing the expanding range of digital collections available to us online. UNI communication studies professor Tom Hall, for example, studies secrecy, the intelligence community, and classified/declassified documents. Available to him is the digital archive at the University of California-Riverside, where a plentiful collection of historical photographs relating to Harry Truman and the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission await him for free download. Anthropology professor Anne Woodrick, who studies immigration protests and their historical context, can locate public domain images from recent anti- and pro-immigration rallies from the Wikimedia Commons; historical images of Mexican and other immigrants entering the U.S. from the Library of Congress, and historical film footage documenting Mexican workers in California from the Internet Archive. Both Hall and Woodrick can freely edit and rework these public domain media files into their own visual projects. They can also work these images into their teaching, their academic presentations, and their print scholarship. TOP ^ Brief Description of Institute Activities The 2008 Carver Summer Institute will involve both theoretical and hands-on activities. These can be summarized as follows: 1. Understanding the Visual Web Participants will explore the growing significance of visual culture and investigate the overwhelming opportunities of Web 2.0 for finding and sharing visual data. Discussions will focus on the significance of the "networked public sphere," the past, present and future of the nonprofit digital archiving movement; and the critical copyright debates regarding visual and audio production, including fair use practices, the Creative Commons, and the implications these debates have for academic research. 2. Seeing the Possibilities Participants will view inspiring examples of visualized research. They will visit and discuss numerous digital archives to better gauge what is happening to libraries, noncommercial archives, and commercial image repositories, all of which are positioning themselves for the digital age. They will also visit Rod Library's Technical Services Department (headed by Cynthia Coulter) and see how UNI is embracing digital media in its collections. Finally, a field trip to the University of Iowa's Digital Collections Unit will enable participants to better understand the promise and growing pains of a significantly more advanced archive than ours at UNI. 3. Demystifying the Technology Participants will learn how to scan photographs and other images such as maps and graphics to obtain the highest/best image resolution for their specific visual purposes. They will learn where to search for photos, graphics, audio and video relevant to their discipline and how to download and convert these media files. They will also learn how to create interactive slideshows, charts, maps, animations, and timelines. Finally, they will learn how to capture and edit digital video (including time-lapse) and audio, and integrate their Flash-based animation files into these projects. UNI's Information Technology Service and Center for Educational Technology staff will assist faculty in these activities. 4. Exhibiting the Work Participants will learn how to upload video content to YouTube; publish text, visual and audio files within the Wikimedia Commons and the Internet Archive; negotiate copyright terms and license work through the Creative Commons, create a basic Webpage, and start the process (if desired) to contribute visual material to Rod Library's Institutional Repository. Once again, UNI's Information Technology Service and Center for Educational Technology staff, as well as Rod Library's Technical Services Department, will assist faculty in these activities. TOP ^ How the Institute will Achieve Grant Objectives Because this workshop can potentially bring together Graduate Faculty from every college at UNI, this Summer Institute holds great promise towards fostering interdisciplinary dialogue about teaching and learning at the graduate level, a Carver grant objective. It is also a potential Petri dish for project collaboration between disciplines, as Institute faculty find common research/creative interests and discover ways to work together on visual projects. Moreover, the Summer Institute could very well be the beginning of rich "collaborative teaming" ( a second Carver grant objective) between Graduate Faculty and their Graduate Students, who can participate in the building and sharing of public knowledge, and use the knowledge and skills learned to further their own research. Finally, because this Summer Institute involves digital technology learning and an understanding of Web 2.0 innovations, it greatly satisfies a third Carver grant objective: the consultation, support and training for faculty in innovative instructional strategies. TOP ^ CLICK HERE to return to the brief description of this institute and the application |
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Riding on the high ratings of Highs and Lows <雷霆掃毒> and in preparation for the TVB anniversary awards, chok king, Raymond Lam (林峯) , recently sat down for an interview to discuss what chok really means to him, his thoughts on the TV King award and what is on the horizon for this budding megastar.
"To me, chok is a form of expression – an attitude. For the entertainment industry, chok is a part of the profession! I have to admit, in the beginning, even the other artists misunderstood what chok meant. They would say to me, 'Raymond, can you stop being so chok when you're onstage? It's very exaggerated!' What did they expect me to do? Just stand still and look directly into the camera with no expression? As a performer, we have to get into the character. So whether we're an actor or singer, we will have some form of chok in us, it's just not going overboard with it."
When discussing speculations that Raymond will win the TV King award this year, he said, "I've been filming TVB series for over ten years and my dad has never praised my acting. In fact, he only gives me constructive criticism. Recently he has been watching Highs and Lows and he actually said, 'This is your best role to date'. Wow! I didn't even know how to respond to that, so I simply said, 'Okay,' but deep down inside, I already felt like I won."
Because of Raymond's wealthy background, he especially wanted to step away from his father's shadows and stay low-key. In fact, Raymond saved up for 10 years to purchase his first Mercedes-Benz vehicle and shied away from high-profile dates with girls.
"I used to be very self-conscious, so I didn't go out with girls. Many people thought I was gay because I only hung out with guys. Of course, the photo incident last year [with Mavis Pan 潘霜霜] revealed that I do, in fact, like girls. Haha!"
The reporter could not help but also point out that Raymond liked big-chested girls. Raymond quickly refuted, "Absolutely not. Please don't misunderstand me. Beauty comes from within and that's what I look for."
In recent years, Raymond has spent his off time from TVB to advance his movie career in mainland China. "Although my movie career has just started taking off, I've been really happy. Jamie Chik (戚美珍) once advised me that it's important to stay focused and hungry in this industry and I couldn't agree more with her. That way I will never feel like what I'm doing is enough and will continue pushing myself to improve."
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wow, this shows a different side of raymond. i like these honest interviews. and though others may disagree, i genuinely believe raymond deserves the place he is at today because yeah, he may be attractive and have a huge fan based along with support from the executives, but really he has to be the one who's talented and hardworking enough to push through all of that. in the end, it's all up to him whether or not he succeeds and right now, i truly believe he's gotten to a point where his success is shown through all his years of hard work. i am definitely rooting for him for TV King and if his dad praises his acting as Happy Sir, then that's pretty much confirmation right there.
I agree with you. He's a hardworking person. Honestly with his family background he probably doesn't even have to work. If he's not hardworking we wouldn't be in this industry.
he harworking even more than a phd holder. PHD holder perhaps just everyday study or doing analysis or whatever. But LF sleeping time also no and practice ,acting, doing this and that, those hard work normal people cannot imagine it. But i can feel it. that's why he has the highest number of fans now!!!! It's epic and awesome
wow, wow,wow,phd? professor king?
It's very clear that you don't have an PhD or know what it takes to get one.
#1 I would like to know how you can compare a person who tried more than 15 years to get an PhD compare to an actor. Why are you even comparing like this??
#2 Are you in college? How do you know what a PhD goes through to be who they're today. Do you see celebrity in Hong Kong saying that going to school is hard, and some gave up and be an actor.
#3 Please before you post your comment check your grammar. And I know for sure you're his "Highest number of fans."
LOL, failed in arguing then talking about grammar. This is sore loser attitude. This is just ur noob thinking because you wouldnt know how much LF has sacrifice. Like u ah so poor there sure cannot succeed because of ur noob brain. Sorry to say that. LOL
Advo: like if u have phd? and also you wont have that kind of success that LF has that no 1 else had at this moment. and what it takes to have that success.
Please don't be so extreme. I admire him a lot but certainly he's not the most successful celebrity out there. Of course we won't know how much sacrifices he'd made but I'm sure he has put in a lot of efforts and hard work to achieve what he has today.
"If example u only love the song, or like the acting, the popularity will fall but if u like the person, then he will popular forever and succeed in everything and richest!!!"
For me, I like a celebrity through his/her works. I won't be attracted to someone just by seeing them in the news before even knowing them. Their popularity will not fall if they maintain their standards. On the contrary, I think their popularity will fall as they become older if people just like their idol images.
I neither claim to have a PhD or being a successful actor. I also don't need to demean a respectable career choice (PhD) to defend my favourite actor. You're a pestilence to regular LF fans.
when very old, popularity of course will fallen ignorant. But at least u have to wait in hopeless until he is not popular. Successful anot for me is based on money and number of fans. This 2 terms he wins everything. Unless u ignorant can show another term? pls do not argue stupidly without any factual points to support ur conclusion. face palm!!!
@ advo: you are getting more sttopiak honestly that talking nonsense to support ur argument and ended up talking rubbish. What a failure indeed.
I fully understand why you wouldn't understand my line of argumentation.
yea, i also fully understand how come you can be so ignorant and poorfag. Too pity.
LOL you made me laugh really hard!
@advo just ignore it. Btw, you do think of traveling to Hong Kong ??
Do you live in HK? Know any places that sell clothes for young people at reasonable prices (around 180 HKD? Those that I came across were branded or just really expensive and I went to different parts of HK (Central,Tsim Sha Tsui, Causeway Bay).
I think the cheapest clothes in HK are available in Mongkok.
lol…hihihih! lam, you are legend!
lets all give her an applause shall we?
@fox & E
Thanks a lot for the tips! I shall check out those places the next time I visit! E, you seem to know HK really well haha. I'm in Singapore.
@ star you can try Dna Galleria, it is located in 65 Chatham Road, South. Tsim Sha Tsui. There are some cute and fashoinable clothing. And on the Granville Road, there are many clothing shops, too. And no I do not live in Hong Kong i wish. I'm in the State, but my friend live there You?
I AGREE! He's like SUPER HOT!
this is best acting not best looking…
I like Raymond in Lofty Waters and Brothers… But I've not seen a good drama this year from him…
u r dumb or what? u think now is 90's century or 80's? nowadays its all about package. Most important you make people to like u and automatically u will succeed and work hard for it. And he is surely will be the most succeessful celebrities in hong kong and china sooner and number 1 because he possess the charateristic of loveable. If example u only love the song, or like the acting, the popularity will fall but if u like the person, then he will popular forever and succeed in everything and richest!!!
@LAM You just says package. If there is only lovable face+poplar and lost his acting skill, it's not a package anymore but just a person with a beautiful face with talking skills. Also, nothing is forever.
In addition, do you see me calling another person dumb?? I'm talking and explaining in an intellectual ways and showing my reason why I do not like him as an Actor this year. However, all I'm seeing is " And he is surely will be the most succeessful celebrities in hong kong and china sooner and number 1 because he possess the charateristic of loveable. "….Why?? Reason?? "If example u only love the song, or like the acting, the popularity will fall but if u like the person, then he will popular forever and succeed in everything and richest!!!"
What a great example…Because he is lovable by his fans only to be success, so that mean you like him also for his face???
@E – I hated LWVB. I don't remember what Raymond did in the show, but I do remember that he was a pretty stupid/naive character. He was also stupid in "Eternal Happiness," but overall, I liked EH much more than LWVB.
I did, however, really liked Raymond in "A Step Into the Past" and "Survivor's Law." After that, I really don't remember what else he was in LOL
i dun say people dumb and when i said it then its real. If he cannot act, do you think he can have so many job now having 8 digit pay at china for filming drama? you think people simply give him money for fun? So u think how dumb are you in saying he cannot act. face palm..Loveable is a charisma everything combine together not necessary just face. face palm!!! Your reasons have failed as he is earning the most from the entertainment industry.
gooddrama (dot) net/hong-kong-drama/twin-of-brothers
Only dramas I saw that was good you should tried it ^^
Currently, High and Low … I like Michael's acting in that and Raymond is in it too. I've popcorn, wants some
lolz@ LAM
And u ediot do not change my words. i do not say lovable face. Oh u think lovable is from face oni? Go check dictionary the meaning of lovable. failed max.
Sorry I do not really believe him when he said that he does not go for big chested girls. However, I do hope that he is at least partially telling the truth when he said that knows that beauty comes from within.
It's hard to say. He is located more in mainland nowadays and mainland girls tend to be big chested. I don't think he's only dated big chested girls all his life.
I think it was just a coincidence that the girls he dated (or rumoured with at least) were big-chested… Of course guys like big-chested girls but I think Ray did not ONLY choose those girls for their body and figure….
Apart from PSS, almost all his other girls r not considered big chest
@TVBaddict: Only PSS has a E cup :P.
OH. Well that's even easier for him to defend himself now!! Haha XD
Among all of his gfs, only PSS has the big boobs. You must forget that Linda is only 33C (according to her and look smaller than that) as well as Rain Li.
Oh come on. Considering his track record, I would hardly accuse him of only liking big chested women. I do however, not buy the whole beauty within BS.
Do I think he's ridiculous shallow and would date a stunning, but stupid women over an ugly but super smart woman? No, but I do think he would pick the stunning, but only okay smart woman over the okay looking woman who's crazy smart. Like most men.
True. He dun like dumb girls.
he dun like too smart too
@ subtleness
A lot of men are intimidated by smart women.
Lam Fung is the best and most handsome! Support him all the way!
I am so glad he pursued through his dreams
I am sure RL likes all 'hot looking' women particularly well endowed ones like any 'normal' heterosexual male. To be politically correct, RL had to answer in a diplomatic manner not to alienate his fans or his critics. In a matter of time, his future interviews will be so eloquent that it would be hard to pin down the "truth" from him on any issue.
RL can going into politics after his movie career because he is so smooth and charismatic to many of the ladies or so it seems…
I always got the impressed that he's slightly awkward tbh. Like whenever I see him in variety shows, there's something self-conscious over him (not his actual performances). I do agree that he knows how to be politically correct/dimplomatic. But he does it because he's such a pleaser type of person, not because he's a smooth-talker. It sounds OK in print, but it never comes off as completely genuine when you see him in person (saying these things). There's just this hint of awkwardness for it to be sincere.
I totally agree with you. I think it's because he's in his 30's yet the way talks is like a teen or someone in their early 20s…just doesn't sound right.
@ Lol
It's true. There is something childish over him. I mean come on, even his photo "scandal" is him sleeping wearing in a t-shirt, lmao.
What's wrong with wearing t-shirt while sleeping? My father and brother also wear t-shirt.
I can see the childishness in him too. That's what attracts me haha.
@ Star
Nothing is wrong. It's very basic and ordinary which is exactly my point. Not only does LF appear to be boring but he really is! LMAO. Kidding, bu my point is, unlike Ron, his scandal is so tame it's funny.
Haters like you gonna hate and poor but LF will still gonna be successful and richer.
That's the different between poor fag and richer. Poor fag will only know say this no good that no good but ownself like a shit and poor but poeple getting richer and richer.
LF is handsome and charming. I'm officially a fan after watching HAL. Really hope he gets TV King this year! Cause he deserves it.
LF is a good actor, but I have never been really touched by him before this year, I just love him as Happy sir lol
same happy sir is awesome
Never go out with other girls? Was thought as gay? Wasn't he has always been photographed clubbing and with many girls before Mavis?
And he looks haggard.
There was a time when he was thought as gay in his younger days. But it was just bromance like with Ron and I forgot the other guy that he was kinda close to.
Who are the girls, Funn Lim? Linda? He has been photographed to go club 2 times before PSS, one with 2 guys and one with Kibby Lau (dance together, nothing else).
And her name isn't Mavis anymore, so how many time I have to mention that dun call her Mavis?
And forgot to mention that Kibby's incident is after PSS, so he only caught to go to club one (in 2004). However going to club is something very normal in HK, what to make it a big deal?
I didn't think he was gay, but I think a lot of people did. He had a very "pure" image and if he was photographed clubbing, it was definitely kept pretty quiet.
From recent articles, I am impressed how he's tackling questions more honestly and like a man rather than just an idol caring too much about his image (eg Ron who ends up confusing and not answering anything). I mean, he's a grown man so its understandable for him to date anyways.
omg i know… whenever i read or watch ron's interviews its like so awkward cus he never knows how to answer… before i felt like among the siu-sangs only bosco or at times kenneth can answer questions naturally… but now i think ray improved his "speaking" skills
Glad to hear that his dad has finally told LF what he has always wanted to hear and this is especially important when it comes from his own parent. All of us strive for the best in all that we do in life for example, in school to attain the best grades, in the workforce to gain promotions and a higher salary, etc. and I'm not sure about the rest of you but when your own parents compliment you on your hard work, it totally means that much more and feels special in another sort of way, even it's for the smallest things. Hence I'm very happy for LF to finally receive recognition from his dad after working his butt off for 10+ years. I really hope he wins the BA award this year and continues his passion for acting and singing. Supporting him all the way!
He deserved the compliments
Any male HK star has as much plastic surgeries done as LF?
I am recently re-watching La Femme Desperado and totally love LF's character and performance in it. He gives off such a boyish charm as Chai Foon in comparison to his current manly Happy Sir role. He definitely has come a long way in his acting over the years and deserves that BA award.
He really deserved it during that year, but was robbed. This year, I'm not sure if he's the most deserving.
Who did he get robbed by again? I can't remember.
Kevin Cheng for the series Under the Canopy of Love.
Okay he really was robbed then. KC's performance in that series was really mediocre.
Raymond acting was really good that year, but Kevin acting wasn't the best but the script was really good… who knows…
But definitely not this year does he deserve it. I have not feel any good acting this year so far, include Highs and Low
I guess since he got robbed once, TVB will let him rob someone else once? Haha
TVB should give it to them based on whether they deserved it, rather than it being about time they got it.
I think he's mostly said to have been robbed in 2008, not 2006 — the frontrunners in 2006 were Joe Ma and… Steven Ma…? I believe, and in LFD LF was actually somewhat overshadowed by MT whose Jeen Man received more applause from the HK audience.
Hmm, my personal preference for 2006 has always been Raymond in 2006 due to his performance. Raymond is a natural actor from the start, I just think he got lost along the way these few years. On the other hand, Joe Ma is dead fish. He's good in police roles, because that was his actual career, but he sucks in anything that requires emotions.
I loved Steven Ma in Safeguards, but well, at least he got a Favourite Character Award. I thought it should have been either one of them (Ray or Steven), but never Kevin. Looking back at the award list for 2006, it was a whole bunch of undeserved wins. Like Shirley Yeung for Best supporting. Can she even act?
In 2008 however, I thought his Goon Ga Jai was bland and boring. It's a typical good boy character, not much for him to work with, so the audience may like the character, but in terms of acting skills, it shows naught. Honestly thought he was used by TVB to hype the awards.
Was Joe Ma being nominated for his performance in Maiden's Vows that year? If so, he should have won instead of Kevin because he had to portray 4 different characters in that drama compared to Kevin's single character which wasn't difficult to portray at all in my opinion.
Joe Ma's scandal released rite before the award nite 2 weeks, so he lost it.
I always thought he had a boyish charm in his past shows. I thought that what made him endearing in a lot of roles like A Taste of Love, ASITP (before he turned evil), EH, TOB, LFD, DOL and so on. It's in recent years that I found his acting more bland. I really think it's because he's lost passion for TV(B) acting. And granted, it's not like TVB offers the most compelling scripts or roles.
I haven't bothered with HAL but my sister says LF is OK in it so I might give it a shot later.
advo, I don't think he lost his passion for TV acting, but he's too tired and overworked. As I see the same blandness in his movie roles or performances? It's more like tiredness. With HAL, his back was injured and he wasn't able to get out of bed during a certain period? I don't think his performance is as good as he was back in those series you mentioned.
hope he gets some rest, and actually think about what he wants to do.
It's possible that it's more due to tiredness. But regardless, his performances do come of as bland so he should take a breather and think about what it is that he wants to do. While I appreciate the sentiment "to be hungry for more", in reality, it translates badly when you try to do too much all at once.
@advo: I think he lost his passion to Txb, based on what he talks about them as well.
For example, he said: "I'm confident that I will win unless the system is crashed again"
@Nicole: Blandness in his movie roles? Really? I dun think his acting in 2 light hearted comedies Perfect Wedding and Love is… pyjamas is any close.
For acting, his acting is still as good as before but for roles, recently he dun really have any good roles except the one in HAL – with more character. So I blv that giving him a good role and he will let it on the right way.
Forget to mention, HAL is a good series, the best among the ones I watch this year :D.
What is so special of DOL? He did Growing through life even better than DOL.
@ Fox
I liked his DOL character much more than GOL. I thought GOL was a copy+paste performance. But much lesser evenly written character.
Advo: same here.. I also refer DOL and it was one of his best drama. His character/role after DOL are kinda bland, or I should say TvB trying to groom LF as an idol?
Even master of tai chi is good. All those good drama or character portrayed by LF did not win any awards.
Hope LF will continue to excel in movie and singing, not limiting to TVB only. Good choice to film one drama per year
that is why the BA is due long time!! i really like his role in MOTC but too bad it was not well received or anything. I think his character or the way he portrayed it was really well and up to now, i will still rewatch it!
Now I think you are one of the ppl who mix acting with role, advo. His acting in GTL is better than DOL but his role is less interesting. Your comment that GTL is a copy of DOL leads me to this conclusion. He acted better in GTL especially the emotional scenes, for example the one in the kitchen. But since the role is similar but less interesting, you mix it to think that he acts worse.
@Chloe: He won Asia TV Best actor with Taichi, so it won something :).
@ Fox
No, I think you mean what you write and I mean what I write, and you shouldn't tell me what I mean.
It's what I feel from your post, simply so.
You mean it's what you feel given your own opinion of his acting choices in GTL/DOL. There were a lot of scenes that touched me in DOL. Not so in GTL. Therefore, I consider his DOL role more successful. Perhaps I'm influenced by the writing, however, acting has always been a combination of acting choices and writing. I don't appreciate you telling me what I mean/think and we're always been respectful to each other no matter the topic so it does sadden me that you let your bias influence the discussion to such a degree.
Lolz, what is my bias in this? Both roles are done by LF himself and I can't be biased with the same actor :P? I also agree that DOL has better character, you can read it in my previous post.
You have just told me that you mix both of acting and role in one :D. I think role is role and acting is acting, which give us the differences in view.
Btw, so far only Happy Sir in HAL is a role chosen by him, the rest are roles assigned by Txb to him. HAL is the first series he excelled his right of choosing series through script.
I agree that I think he is just overworked and probably burnt out. Regardless if you have passion for anything or not, if you are overworked and too tired, then it is hard to enjoy anything or put your best efforts into anything. That is why the companies in China allow people to get adequate rest so that they can give their best performances unlike TVB who overworked their artists and staff. I really wonder how they all put up with it.
haha that's the only series that made me like him other than that i don't find him good.
Obvious LF most deserves it this year. The best package so far in the history of TVB and not any other. There is one natural magic from him that is lovable. When u see him, it feeling so nice and warm and feel like hugging him. hehe
yeah he has the best package among the current siu sangs. But i think you're pushing it too far by saying 'in the history of TVB'. He has a looooooooong way to catch up to the levels of Andy lau etc
If you rmb, Andy Lau's singing wasn't accepted when he debuted with it. But I think most of young ppl dun rmb such thing.
I remember but that also shows what a long way Andy has gone and how hard he has worked. He made it so it shows that others can if they are willing to put out the effort.
But showing how hard you worked takes time, no? I don't think even the biggest LF hater can accuse him of not being hard-working. But I do admit that he's stretching himself thin over too many different things. He should focus on one thing at a time, but I suppose there is a certain pressure for entertainers to be multi-artists.
Ppl always talking about level, level, level. Can anyone actually define what those levels are?
LF not hard-working??? OMG
@advo: He is trying to put away his TV career by choosing only 1 series he likes each year. Good decision.
@ Fox
But it doesn't matter if he only films one TVB series a year if he's still doing a ton of other kind of work. It takes away his focus and he cannot immerse himself into the character. You know his schedule better than I do, so can you say that he's not very busy?
My mom saw him singing on Yan Oi Tong and she commented that he looked like he had lost a lot of weight! I don't know if it's because he's overworked or if he's sticking to Miss Lok's diet plans but I think he needs to put on some weight too.
Oh well, I said this thing before: He has the right to choose series from HAL and he had a very right choose. His role in HAL is much more interesting than the one Txb assigned to him 3 recent years.
So he actually knows what he needs for himself.
If you think he can't put himself in the characters, I disagree with you. Yup, he is busier than most of ppl in Txb, but it dun mean he can't portray his roles. It's something he can.
For diet, I agree that he is kind of obsessing with diet. But I guess it's the trend in HK that the singer must go diet before concert? All the time I hear of a concert, the singer will say s/he has to go on diet.
I see blandness as an inability to immerse yourself into the character. OK, I haven't watched HAL so I can't comment on his newest-newest character but that's what I feel about his acting since MOL.
pushing it too far? LF indeed proven that he is the best package. Because andy lau cannot acted in drama and popularity cannot sustain only he went into drama. And andy lau has been poorer when he was younger. So andy is still a loser if compete with raymond. Raymond at the age of 32 now already superb rich but andy at the age of 32 is still poorer. And in terms of fans, andy lau lose kaw kaw when he was 32.
*raise eyebrow* May I know if you know that Raymond was born in a wealthy family vs Andy Lau whose was born in a poor family can compare to their wealth today??
nhu vay, ban la nguoi ham mo Raymond nhung ma ban da noi qua roi. Neu ma ban biet minh dang viet vi moi la tuyet voi. Neu Raymond khong nhan duoc thi
@advo: How do you want him to act in MOL to portray the boring at core Kingsley King?
ediot is ediot. I am comparing when both of them is 32 year old and their revenue per year. Andy lau lose kaw kaw u ediot vietnamese. LOL.
@LAM: It's not nice to bring the nationality of anyone to a convo like this
lol, i did not mention any1 la. Those really idiot+brainless will only feel it.
@ Fox
There's no denying that Professor King was the most boring @ss character ever. That doesn't excuse him sleeping through the role. My opinion.
Hold your horse back.
But what do you want him to act in this role? Like the facial expression or the actions you want him to do? It's a boring chac and he acts out boring, so what is the matter of the acting?
@E hahahha I actually agree on the vietnamese part you wrote
True that it is not right to be nationality into this,but I find it a bit strange that someone would all of a sudden start writing in Vietnamese??
@hts : maybe they know each other.
I find LAM is kinda getting OTT, but like s/he intentionally does so.
@LAM: lol you cant compare it like that. it was 1993 when Andy was 32 and the inflation levels has gone up since. What used to be $10 now prolly cost $50 now. And Andy made way more movies than raymond before he turned 32. Just because others do not agree with you doesnt make them an idiot.
@939393 ignorant. It's nt just about movie. Minus back the inflation rate and everything LF still win andy kaw kaw. But i guess you dont have the ability to count it. Pointless to argue with someone who only think a person can only earn the most from movie. facepalm!!!
Omg LOL! She even changed her name. I think she must be very young to type in this manner or just faking it all. That's alright, quite entertaining to me. What does 'facepalm!' mean? And 'kawkaw' also.
@Linnh (giggle)
@HeTieShou Oh, because she keeps commenting on me, and bashing me so I just started to type in Viet for the fun of it. And she didn't even know what I wrote. ^^
@fox i do not know anyone on here. Just saw jaystar a few weeks ago. I actually only fluent with Vietnamese and English, Mandarin is just a bit
@star Lol I'm just gonna ignore her. No point.
the best package in the history is alittlebit to overreacting don't you think?
who cares if he will earn the most from the entertainment industry and be the richest and having the highest number of fans.
Haters like u butthurt also useless because haters will continue to be poorer and LF will continue to be richer and famous.
I pretend not to hear that!
good, butthurt internally and poorer. hehe. I will not say wrong. Normally poor fag will normally butthurt when his own weak idol not that popular and more butthurt when other famous idol is so famous and richer. In this world only have loser and winner.
I'm not a hater just because I don't find him to be the best package in the history, there is a lot of other people out there that is in his level or even better. I do like his series, and as i stated before I love his character in HAL, and he play his role really good in there. But i guess telling you this won't make any difference.
best package? who? not dare to say it out with proof? already poor still wanna be ignorant? Haha, between ownself know that person is not popular and richer than LF but still wanna argue nonsensically. facepalm!!!
pls la vietnamese but acts like knows everything but actually an ignorant. Don write out ur poor weak judgement without proof or fact to support. face palm!!!
LAM, you're rude & obnoxious! I don't think even Raymond Lam appreciate fans like you. Please grow up & have some respect for yourself.
hi dupe useless LOL. Dont talk rubbish if u cannot argue my points. I am very pity u are poorfag and brainless.
Anyone can become famous these days, especially as the line between fame and infamy has been blurred. The number of reality TV stars we have today who earn money by the bucket load – are they considered "successful"? And for what?
Is there also any need to compare Andy's wealth with that of LF's? People were paid less back in the days anyway. If anything, a lot of entertainers and athletes are becoming increasingly overpaid as the years go by.
@LAM: r u a hater trying to make his fans look bad??!
its still the same. The value of money last time is higher. But andy still losing to LF in term of wealth through entertainment industry and popularity when there are both 32 year old.
I am just hating those haters who have weak perception and judgement on someone that already earning the highest from the entertainment industry and having the highest number of fans and somemore has no clear competitors so far except those veteran perhaps LOL. It's monopoly and not even oligopoly.
@ lam, no one wants to argue with a hoodrat, so you can keep talking to yourself.
@LAM: you're calling people butthole and what not just because others do not seem to agree with you. I dont think Linnh has mentioned anything offensive or in anyway trying to be a 'hater'. On the contrary by calling ppl butthole demonstrates that you're immature and is the one hating on other people. please take a good look in front of the mirror before you say so next time. tqvm.
I think LF will be quite embarassed to have such a 'fan' who goes round bashing others with name calling, english not good but still want to type in english and act all scholarly..
By 'defending' LF the way u are doing so, is doing him more harm than good.
So for ur best package's sake.. Keeps ur lips shut/ leep ur fingers off the keyboard..
@ lol, lol, You better lol at at urself that so brainless and cant even argue a single thing. facepalm!!
@939393 , hi ignorant, people like you who are hater and canot argue a single points to support ignorant linh that LF is not the best package better look at ur mirror before blunted anything out.
@sand, dont worry, LF only wont want any brainless and incompetency fans like you as fans. Then your english is very great? LOL. In this world doesnt need good english to be the richest. Only poorfag like you need to struggle hard because brain cannot argue a single things out but talked nonsense in an efficient way.
subtleness, I start to agree with you.
@sand , you English are not good as well and if this was the only point that you can argue at, you are embarrassed your personality as well.
My last post to you Lam!
I never said that he isn't the best package, i just said that he is not the best package in the history.
ohh btw thanks 939393
@linh yea better to be the last because if you cant write out any proof to support ur statement then its useless and i doubt you understand the meaning of package. facepalm!!
Linnh, 939393, Sand, completely agree. I might not appreciate LF's art because of my personal taste, but I do respect LF as an artist. Much like I am not a fan of hip hop or rap, but I respect 50 cent and Eminem!
It is best to be mature and ignore those who are not respectful, ignorant, rude and cannot comprehend the beauty in diversity!
I only started commenting on Jaynestars this week, but I think this will be my last post…
Everyone has different perception and judgement in life. But LF indeed the best package at the moment and huge base of fans.
All this doesnt comes by luck but with hard works and talent.
@LAM, quite juvenile to call people by insulting names. Totally denigrating the site and other commenters! LF will not be proud to have fans like you. Thank heaven he's prob not reading it!!!
@Tim: Yeah, i hope LF doesnt read it.. may not make him proud to see how people are trying to defend him..
sorry, i meant, @Puff
LF wont bother to have haters and ignorant like u who has poor judgement in life. facepalm!!!
Lol, of course no point because you cannot argue my point instead of talking rubbish out. facepalm…
If you have time, please vote for Raymond to be TV King…It is NOT the official TVB one, but still, let him win also in other channel..thx
support Fund.
Thanks for the reminder!
LF Love FUNG!!!
it is great to see him interview…it feel so close and see the other side of him…also…proud of him that he improved so much and reply on the wealth from him family!!!
Tv King would be LF this year
Tv Queen battle between tavia yeung and kate tsui. Because now is 100% voting, tavia should have more fans than kate because she acting for more than 10 years already. So most probably tavia yeung will win. Tavia and raymond will hug each other for sure. Just see i will say wrong a not. haha. But raymond say he not free to go to the ceremony? pls go leh fung ger. hehe
i know…i worry about that too…i think he want to come back for the prize…just from China…just a few hour…
He'll be in HK for a stage drama 2 days before the award nite.
he at china doing what time that?
he is filming the drama in China
he got 8 digit figure of China dollar for this one…happy for him…
Btw i cant find his revenue every year from the entertainment industry. Must be very astonishing. Maybe he wanna be low profile since his dad already a billionaire. There is no need to brag anything. But still wish to know it.
Of course he is a good-looking fella. His fault is not that he is rich, his fault lies in the fact that he pretends to be something he is not. "He quickly refuted he does not like big-breasted women." It is okay if you are shallow Raymond, just don't pretend to be different!
Your statement do not have any premise to support ur conclusion. facepalm. big breast or whatever, in his heart most important is suitable for each other and in cantanose is "wu dong wu dui".
He's not pretending to be different. I don't think that's the only factor he looks for in girls since he's thinking of marriage, a long term relationship. He may be worried that people will believe it and his potential partners will shield away.
Besides, do you expect him to reply like Kenneth, to announce his lustful thoughts to the world and saying "Oh yes! I like them cause I can …"?
kenneth actually said that???? O.O
No, MM said "I like woman, no matter of age or boobs", oh sorry, wrong, actually he said "I think of sex everyday".
Lol Fox!
LOL! that's brutally honest of him. Maybe a little too honest. but ah well, who doesnt think about sex everyday? A saint perhaps
Many ppl dun think of sex everyday without being a saint, don't generalize.
Don't tell me that all you can think of the whole day is sex, if that then you are MM's soul mate.
Who said that MM isn't "honest", but his "honesty" is necessary? Or it only makes him look like a sex addicted man?
-.- I dont recall myself stating that I think about sex the whole day and wasn't in any way agreeing to his statement about sex. that's why i said he was a little 'too honest'.
Yep so you agreed with me that not everyone think of sex everyday, thats all.
Not sure why, but I seriously can't stand LF. He can't act, barely ok singing, annoying chok dancing!
actually, he sings very well…please search his songs on youtube…he has pretty good voice…people just said too much about his chok…and he improved his dance and act too…but it is okay…i understand everyone has he/she preference…if he is not your favor actor…it is okay…
What is the meaning of chok? Is it just a facial expression? I've looked it up previously and found a video explaining what chok is but LF don't give the same expression as that one in the video.
He often laughs like a child to me, of course he also gives off the cool and charming look but don't most artistes do that?
I feel that Raymond has an amazing voice. The theme song he sang in 'The Last Breakthrough' still plays in my head every now and then. But in recent years his acting has gone downhill, except for his role as Happy Sir.
I think you mistake acting with the role itself
Yup I start like him because of of this song,even at that time I don't know that he is also Dr. Ken in that series,I just like his voice before get to know what the actual look of his face…Until I found out when he received award and performed that song at ASTRO AWARDS
@kcabc: nope i did not. I feel that he's not as passionate in terms of acting (in Tvb series i mean) as before. cant blame him though since he has to also juggle btwn film, mainland series and music.
You keep saying about the passionate, so what is the passionate of others? I think all of them are doing their works in their own way, so they are passionate with it.
He can go further than Txb, it's his good. Who want to stay with Txb forever if they can go? In other words, I doubt that anyone can do better for Txb than LF if they are in LF's case, ie. their so-called "passionate" on Txb series is up to their chances outside Txb.
If you like him just because of the roles, you are watching roles and please don't mix role with acting. Acting is acting, role is role.
I see the opposite. With such packed scheduled, he can still draw out his roles well, he must have great passion in his job. I see his acting even enhanced recently, just all the LKH roles he received lately are bland and boring. His other roles in Sister Fa and MWNS although show his diverse acting skills, is not that popular because of the low rating series. I see Happy Sir's role interesting but the various expressions he delivered in MWNS is more diverse and attractive.
In reply to 939393
@fox: dude i'm not in anyway trying to diss LF here. I agree that he's the best package among the current siu sangs. and yes he definitely should go further and end his contract with TVB because he's already beyond that. That's why i said that he's not as passionate when he's acting in TVB dramas because of the low pay, low production value and around-the-clock schedule and I dont blame him for that.
@kcabc: what does MWNS stands for? I think his best was in moonlight resonance. yeah but i think he should go for the 'bigger fish' instead ie the mainland market.
I still dun get wat is the passionate attitude you need. Like kcabc said, he has more thing s to do not only Txb but he still put s his efforts on Txb series, is it the passionate attitude you want?
Btw, fyi MWNS is Men with no shadow.
His best is MR? I officially dun understand since I blv he has more chances to show acting in many series after MR.
Agree that he did good in MR, but not the best. After MR, he did better in some other roles.
A lot of people like him in MR, including myself because of his "Goon Ga Jai" character. His portrayal was good but it was a pretty simple role to act out compared to Growing Through Life in my opinion.
Hehe, he has just replied you about "Chok" above.
Agree with Gar, LF himself said his MR role is too hard to act because there's nothing to act in this character, he would have to work hard and think hard to make the character memorable.
Lolly: honestly I felt LF is the one TVB artist that can sing. Heard his album and concert are doing well… These are the evidence that his singing is acceptable?
Or maybe just his diehard fans support him blindly?
FYI, my sis in law gave me LF concert video and got me to watch it. I did. Then very quickly had to watch Adele and Jacky Cheung concerts to recover.
It's a personal preference, I am not convinced he is worthy of the awards for singing or acting.
Among Chinese singer – only jacky cheung & Faye wong are the best. Current singers are far from their level…
can sing superb well is not the criteria in today's world anymore. Its all about package. Jacky cheung can sing well is already past and he no longer can produce any good song and its out dated and not handsome like LF. Faye wong even worst i just knew recently during his concert she will not say anything except thank you. OMG.How boring it would be. But in lf's concert, u will feel so different and worth it. plus jacky cheung and faye wong cant dance a shit out. So LF most balance plus handsome and the best.
a bit unfair to compare cus from differ generations and experience but yah, i like jacky cheung
And unfortunately, he has many "diehard fans" to support in years :P.
I wun duno why say that u r useless because u r indeed a useless in judging. A person who judge a celebrities who has unlimited fans, earned the most from the entertainment industry, and yet still dare to say he is worst. Just like politician. Every country has it's own parties. 51%>49% and 51% is still the winner and the 49% is the loser. And indeed u r in the 49% group who are loser and failure. Nobody will be like by anyone. Most important to be the winner and i am happy LF is the winner and chok u loser forever.
U would not mention Chok if u do not pay attention to his presence.kindly correct me I am wrong.
Chok is an attitude, a look that says I'm sexy & I know you want me lol. The original king of chok is Andy Lau. LF is alright, his acting is a hit or miss, his singing is ok, his dancing is actually quite bad…he doesn't have rhythm….you can tell he's trying really hard just to complete the steps instead of dancing. Overall, LF is a pretty good entertainer but he's not a superstar.
I think it's funny that LF has patented the "chok" since I think it fits Michael Tse much more (for Laughing). Raymond has always come off too gangly for me to associate him with having a "sexy and I know you want me" attitude.
Raymond might not be a superstar – yet. But I don't think any other TVB star in his generation comes close to being "the whole package" like he does. So he's likely the closest to a "super star" or potential super star for his generation. He receives reasonable acclaim for his acting, singing and performances. No other TVB star has accomplished this (again for his generation). Linda is perhaps the only singer who sells okay (?) and she's a lot behind LF. Her acting also divide people a lot more than LF does.
In conclusion, I don't think TVB has produced anyone else (in this decade) that can transcend the idol stage to becoming a big star like LF.
Linda's sale isn't half good of LF, in fact that. The best she had was 15k/album. And LF got 1 mil for 6 albums, equal to 167k/album. So in fact her sale is only 1/10.
Advo, you do have a point if you break it down like that. Best of luck to him.
P/S: I don't think anyone in Txb now have the whole package like LF.
@ Fox
Hate him or love him, I don't think any other TVB star (of his generation!) can compare to him in terms of commercial success.
I agree that LF is the closest TVB can produced to be an idol artist, compare to the past actors like Tony Leung, Andy Lau etc
Guess that's why TVb really "sell hard" LF but he is given the good script/character for a long time. However, TVB does not seem to groom LF for long term result, more like short term popularity or money making
why seem like tvb dun cherish him much? like they give him horrible series in recent years to act with terrible script that even me as a fan cant finish watching! why do tvb not give him better roles and never cast in grand productions? and during tvb awards, he always gets dragged in but always wins the candy of fave character. so sick of tvb treating raymond like this and now i just want him to leave tvb because he dun need them! they need him more as they only focus on milking him really dry haiz
Ya.. I felt TVB doesn't cherish him. But LF is always been criticised by public that he will win this and that being TVB biological son and Ms Lok's fav son
Even Bosco, Kenneth Ma @Him Law are being treated better by TVB
I honestly felt LF is hardworking- he could have better life being real "Sui yea chai"
I think 620 favor moses and kevin more than raymond?
btw i am not surprised if tvb give ma ming BA this year and raymond dragged for hype -yawn
but yah, just get the award and leave and if tvb dun give then just leave too hehe i def wont miss cus tvb series r crap and movies will get him into the bigger world
And now he also can't bear the treatment Txb given to him anymore. He often mocks them.
Michael Miu >> Laughing >> LF in terms of chok severity IMO. I even find Bosco Wong to be more chok than LF.
But LF can be pretty chok in concerts so I guess now I can understand where chok is coming from LOL
What is really the "Chok" that ppl are talking about? A way of pose? Or acting cool?
This chok dun come from his concert but a joke about a scene in Perfect wedding starred LF.
A way of pose? Or acting cool
Both? Isn't that what chok means? An exaggerated expression of looking cool/handsome/cute and it makes the onlooker "choke" from hilarity/embarrassment? If this is indeed the correct definition, then it can be applied to Michael Miu. And LF at concerts. And Michael Tse since the birth of Laughing.
Chok started as a joke about a way of pose that can make ppl around "choke", but I dun know why ppl make it like "Act cool". LF dun act cool, so he dun suit the word "chok"
I wonder when in his concert he acts cool. I only saw him sing, dance, show sad face in sad song, wave hand to fans, shake fans' hand, interact with fans, etc. and I was there in his concerts, but when he acted cool or posed Chok, why I don't know?
who is SUPERSTAR in this time? you please name one?
LF is a superstar, heading to megastar.He would not have sold -out concerts in hk ,macau,malaysia,china,singapore,australia,
canada and u.s.a (throughout asia pacific)if he is not popular.
those brainless will tend to ignore all these things my dear. They just will stick to their poor perception and judgement while LF is getting more richer and successful.
i like him.. nt sure why.. a quality in him… lol st least hes admitting he likes girls lol…
Multi-talented singer and actor, charismatic, handsome, humble, caring and loving to his Honeys = LF !!! Love Fung! Always and forever!!!
Agree…support him….Please watch out the news from TVB during Nov…to vote him for TV King…This is only of the award he missed…he deserves it…Wonderful Fung!!!
Raymond is a talented actor and singer! Why would producers ask for him, why would he be offered to hold all those concerts? What about the platinmum sales for his CDs if he was otherwise? Even after all the unnecessary bad comments and bad press generated every time he gets a award, he remains humble. Like he said, awards are bonuses.
In the hearts of his Honeys, we would like Raymond to be healthy and happy and continue to do what he loves to do. He is passionate about his singing and acting careers. He loves and appreciates his Honeys. Love and support 峯 FUNG FOREVER!
This is a good interview. I'm glad he's finally crossing over to movies. The movies is seriously lacking a major star. The last one who successfully cross over & became big was Louis Koo perhaps? And that's a long time ago. The rest just wasnt that successful. I hope LF will do it this time. He has enough fans to make this happen. Still we need good stories!
Nick Chuemg is a better example.
That's Esther's Kwan husband right? Sorry not so familiar with the names.
Yes, he is
Yes and,he won 8 best actor awards for his movie. I blv he is definitely more successful in movie field than Louis. Providing that he dun have any TV king titles but it dun affects the blossom movie career he is having
Love Nick Cheung! He seems very into his art and a devoted husband, not to mention a great guy.
Nick Cheung is awesome!
he is brilliant in nightfall
Raymond sure hot but his acting is all right not best. Though I do really like him in La Femme Desperado and that is the only series of Raymond.
I hope Raymond Lam could win the TV KING title. I am looking forward!
Support Support Support LF!
Has he done any plastic surgery? I just watched back his old dramas in 2002, and he looked different than here.
he has but denied.
So many people look like LF and Wong Cho Lam on the internet! This look-like even when to the same school as FL and has the same name! Freaky.
Many people think it's Wong Cho Lam in this picture, but's it actually LF before plastic surgery.
He does look like Wong Cho Lam in that picture. I do remember the whole thing about filming in China, and getting a new nose in between filming. The new nose compliments him which was why he looked better. As to what other things he did, I am not quite sure. But now Wong Cho Lam can walk around and say I would have been Raymond Lam, if I had been taller.
No wonder people commented that his sister looks like Wong Cho Lam (during the news of his sister's wedding). He also used to look like Wong Cho Lam. Haha.
So what if he does any plastic surgery and not made known to others.Many korean stars also like that.It is just matter of his own personal comfort and as long as he does not messing around with others or his religion.
what's a big deal on p. surgery?
donnie yen- eye -lid, nose
jolin tsai-nose
dodo cheng-eyelids, nose
chow yuen fatt – eye bag, eye-lids
andy lau- revamp broken nose
michael miu,jacky cheung & jacky chan- eyelids
angelababy- eye lid, nose,nosetril,chin, ,ears
wong cho ming- chin
Ah this pic is famous on weibo for a long while and a weibo came to claim that this pic is his, not LF's. But he looks like LF a lot so after seeing the comments, this guy went to search for LF and claim that its his pic.
Jolie Tsai – not only nose but boobs, chin, jawline and etc. She almost had 80% of PS done.
Angelababy – almost everything on her face. like 98% PS done.
@fox: huh??! you mean that is not raymond? lmao
That is indeed LF before plastic. The girl next to him is one of Dai Si Chung's daughters. LF was once Dai Si Chung's student.
Pictures of Dai's daughters here:
plastic surgery. He used to look alot like this brother and sister.
I dunno who is the woman but there is a guy who claimed the photo is his. Yup LF was Dai Si Chung's student. And LF's bro looks resemble to him. You can check out the weibo of his brother Rocky. Recently there are a lot of his old childhood pix posted. He included them in his photobook. Ask HTS, she bought one.
So many people look like LF and Wong Cho Lam on the internet! This look-like even went to the same school as FL and has the same name! Freaky.
Uhm, that IS Lam Fung. Not someone who has the same name as Lam Fung and looks like Wong Cho Lam. So Raymond Lam Fung did look like WCL when he was young.
聖保羅 160周年紀念,早前展出林峯中五時勁似王祖藍的學生樣。
oops, i just read your other posts and realised you were bein sarcastic. LOL
This one is his pic, posted years before. But the one you given before someone claimed to be his, not LF's.
Not only WCL but also Evergreen Mak. When Evergreen was young, LF looks kinda similar to him.
Btw his old name wasnt Lam Fung and Raymond. His old name is Leo Lam Hooi Man.
But wat is the matter if they do look alike? Until now they still look a bit alike, for the upper part of the face
we all know what his name was then. It's just his name now, and everyone uses it to refer to him, so why are you lecturing us about his name?
To let muu find his old pic easier when searching on internet
What?!! On top of a fake face, fake personality, now he has fake name too???!!
What about these guys? Are they the real LF or just some random dudes on the internet that looks like him? I think some of them may have worked for TVB but may have disappeared over the years due to competition.
These pix are all his, but it doesn't mean the first one you posted is because there was someone claim the ownership.
I suggested you, if you wanna find more pix of kid LF, go buy or borrow his new photobook. He included a lot of old pix in. Dun need to search on internet that hard :P. Some of the link dun work. I even gave you his old name in order for you to search easier. If you are hooking on this, I think I can help you to find some more. Feel free to ask for help if want.
Wanna know more fake names (actually it's artist name) of the artists they used when they turn artists? I can give you some. For example, Ron Ng Chek Hei was Ng Chiu Tong, Bosco Wong Chung Chak was Wong Shu Fung :D. Raymond Lam Fung is an artist name.
Great, thanks for confirming Fox! I can always count on you to provide endless useless information about LF.
It's not hard looking for his old pictures. All I have to do is type Raymond Lam, and google automatically suggests Raymond Lam plastic surgery so his old pictures will pop up. No need to use his real, fake, artist, whatever, name.
LMAO~, you are so addicted on this. Go on and do spend your time on it and good luck to you :P. It's good to know that my info helped you, although you don't want to admit :P.
And it's obvious that he didn't plan to hide his old pix, so you can find them easily. Hehe, *blink* I blv you can understand what I mean. Hence, you can post many old pix of him, it can't change that the first pic you posted has a man who claimed that it's his. I hope your head won't be too "stone" to put it in mind.
Btw, as for fake name, don't tell me that muu is your real name :P.
*Yawn* What's so hot about this topic? LF?
Hey Fox! Muu is my real name. Didn't you know that everything on the internet is real? The guy that claimed to be the person in the first photo is telling the truth. How do we know that? Because he said so!
And sorry to burst your bubble, but no, LF does not control the universe so he cannot control what is seachable and what is not searchable on the internet. However he or his fans are ashamed of his old looks, it can never be erased from the internet.
Ashamed of his old look? His fans? Who? LMAO~. Nobody feel ashamed for his old look, even himself. Do you see what I wrote? He even included all of these old pix on his photobook so nobody feel shame for it, or only the ppl in your own imagination. If he wants to hide his old pix or control the search on internet, LMAO~, he must be stupid to put them all on the photobook? Ask HTS, she bought one and she can confirm to you that most of the old pix you found are in this book.
There is a guy who said the pic is his and I say so, what is wrong? Lolz, you can blv this guy or not, it's up to you. But still have a fact that someone claimed the picture belong to him. I have ever said a word that I blv 100% in him, or I don't blv him. I stated a fact.
Your real name is Muu, not muu (with M), so it still can be considered as a fake name? May I blv you 100% that your real name is muu? By your logic, I can say "No" to you and think that you are using a fake name. Haha, just an example to tell you that there is no fake name in such thing.
Btw, his look means nothing to me. What is the big fuss for it? I rarely say "Oh he is handsome" and on the other hand, I often said such thing to Ron before. I just want to help you to find his old pix easier because I saw that you were so addicted in doing such thing :). And until now you still can't understand this, aiyoh, "stone" too much. Maybe you are caring for the look too much :D.
One again, I have to repeat to you that nobody wanna hide his old pix, including he himself. If you wanna see more of old him, buy his photobook and you can find more there, dun need to take time to search on internet. Faster and more.
He's reduced his TV series by a lot compared to a few years back. He seems rather distanced from TVB for me for some reason.
Raymond's fans, if you have time, please visit
to vote for Raymond to be TV King..
It is NOT the official one from TVB…but still, help Raymond to get the title from other channel too…thx


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Lets see, when he walks up to the table he specifically says the guy needs to go secure the gun in his auto because the restaurant doesn't allow carry. Apparently told to him by a person in the establishment.
You can clearly hear the officer tell the guy that if they establishment allowed him to carry that would be fine it was a 2A issue but that isn't the case in this place.
As far as asking the guy to leave, does anyone think there is a remote possibility that an employee notified the cops that there was a guy sitting over there with a gun. Maybe the employee wasn't comfortable telling the OC guy that he needed to high tail it out. Guns do scare some people unfortunately.
I honestly hope WI changes its gun laws regarding CC soon, as I still have family up there and would like to be able to carry when I go back, but ruffling LEO's or business owners feathers is the wrong way to go about it in my book. You folks get to vote, maybe you could get some politicians in office that are more friendly to the cause.


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September 1st, 2013 11:16 PM #1Junior Member
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Yikes!! Name decision time.... Attn: all berries!
So, I finally joined, after poking around the site for name ideas, and I thought it was time to share MY list with you.
Let me know the names you like, and the names you don't like (and why). After reading a lot of posts, I can see that some of you have some pretty strong opinions, so have at it!
- Persephone
- Ingrid
- Isolde
- Athena
- Peony
- Venus
- Aphrodite
- Leonora
- Lisbeth
- Forsythia
- Calliope
- Jesminder
- Calliatrix
- Wenhaver
- Pridwyn
- Aithne
- Branwen
- Zelenka
- Tosia
- Thora
- Theodora
- Halia
- Iolana
- Anrid
- Artemis
- Addfwyn
- Una
- Millicent
September 1st, 2013 11:25 PM #3
I like the sound of Persephone but, the meaning is horrific. Not something I would personally name a child after, you know? I used to like Lisbeth until my brother jokes and says Lesbo - _ -
But I like Ingrid, Isolde, and especially Theodora because of it's meaning! Oh, and Millicent with the nickname Millie would be darling.
September 2nd, 2013 12:05 AM #5Senior Member
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It seems you several different genres going here: Irish/welsh, mythology, Russian? and vintage. Would you use a combo of these styles for first and mn?
I prefer the vintage names like Millicent, Theodora, lisbeth for first names with the mythology/Irish sort of names for middles. I think the vintage names are really versatile and the more exotic adds spunk.
I think names like Pridwyn and Addfwyn have pronunciation issues built in unless you are familiar with Irish/Gaelic/welsh names. There seem to be many berries who love these names but I think most people in the US would find them difficult. That said there are some lovely names that fit this genre but I would choose more intuitive spellings if it was my child, however not made up spellings.
So if I was going for a combo
Millicent Calliope
Theodora Peony
September 2nd, 2013 12:31 AM #7*Magnolia Alice / Evangeline ? / Adelia Clover / Athena Florence/
Genevieve ? / Georgiana Marion/ Eugenie Marigold/ Ondine Hattie/ Lilia*Liliana*
*Osias /Augusten /Thatcher/ Ignatius /Hawthorne/Banyan/
Peregrine /Fennec/Asher /Hugo /Beau/ August/ Maximus*
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I have almost finished the tube, which is unusual for me - I usually end up throwing out lip balms because they don't work or I don't enjoy using them. I got it as part of a set, and while I'm not rushing out to repurchase it, I might do so in the future if I can't find anything better.
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I got to the range the other morning and had the place to my self and was able to do some initial testing on my two latest guns, my Glock 21SF and the Sig 238.
I started with the 238 as I was pretty sure what to expect from from a used Glock.
First the good news, it fed all the types of .380 ammunition that I keep on hand, Remington 102gr Golden Saber, Speer 90gr Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, and both Remington UMC and Winchester FMJ all fed well.
Bad news is that I had two failures to extract the spent casing from the chamber. All in all I fired 50rds of Rem. UMC, about 25 rounds of the Winchester, 20rds of Gold Dots, 15 rounds of the Golden Saber, and only about 12 rounds of the Critical Defense. Also of note is that several casings were mangled up pretty good, I meant to take pictures of them, but didn't. I'll follow up with those later. As for the extraction, I think the extractor is just a little stiff, some more testing is definitely in order.
As far as accuracy is concerned, I'm pretty happy with the results from a hasty rested position (resting arms on the bench) and a 2.75" barrel.
That was the last four rounds of Gold Dots @ 50". Not too shabby given the size of the gun.
As for the Glock, it functioned fine as was to be expected, but right now I can't shoot it as accurately as I would like, some low and left but mostly just buckshot pattern. I really need to get used to that trigger type. My order from Comp-Tac came in and I'll be taking the G21SF to tomorrows IDPA match and see how it runs in more realistic environment than a 50' fixed target point.