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Is it necessary to refrain from eating garlic, and onions?
Do some devotees think it is wrong and some don't. Or is this a scriptural mandate from the Vedas/Upanishads? I have been a vegetarian for a while but I still eat garlic and all manner of onions; regular onions, long green onions, leeks and chives. Are all of these supposed to be avoided? And what about carrots? Someone told me that carrots should also not be eaten. I can do without garlic and without carrots. But I especially like to eat leeks and sometimes onions. However, I want to please Krishna and I want all my food to be offerable to Him. Though I am not yet convinced that onions shouldn't be eaten. If I want the food I eat to be completely acceptable and offerable to Krishna, do I have to give up leeks and onions too? |
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Dear Peshalah,
Lord Krishna advises eating Saatvik food as far as practicable. I don't think he forbids eating garlic, onions etc. There are many Vaishnavas who refrain from eating meat, onions & garlic. This doesn't apply to all Vaishnavas. Let me clarify here that if you are part of some religious Sampradaya like ISKCON then you should find out their beliefs on this issue. However, if you are Vaishnava just due to your natural inclination without being affiliated to any particular sect, there are no strict guidelines for eating or not-eating. Vaishnavas generally are vegetarian (though this is also not mandatory) but it is ok to eat garlic & onions. In Bhagwad Gita, different types of food are explained thus : a) Food which promote longevity, intelligence, strength, health, happiness, and delight are Saatvik food. b) Very hot, very salty or spicy ... food which cause various diseases, grief & anxiety etc. are called Rajasik food. c) Not well cooked, stale food, filthy etc. food which cause excessive sleep, disturbance of mind, laziness are Tamsik food. You may judge the food on the above criteria & decide what is good for you to eat. Lord is interested in your Bhakti ... other things are secondary. How much you love God is what is important. Onions & garlic have good medicinal value & it promotes better health if eaten in right proportion. OM
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Thanks for your reply devotee. You said, "There are many Vaishnavas who refrain from eating meat, onions & garlic. This doesn't apply to all Vaishnavas. Let me clarify here that if you are part of some religious Sampradaya like ISKCON then you should find out their beliefs on this issue."
Krishna said in Bg. 18.66- "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrenderunto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear." However, followers of ISKCON read the Veda's and Upanisads. If someone from ISKCON can give me Scriptural support for why they don't eat garlic and onions; and it makes good plain sense, I will not eat it. I am knew to Yoga and don't yet know a lot of Scripture. Is their anyone out their from ISKCON reading this? What is ISKCON's take on why onions and garlic should not be eaten? |
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What is your goal? Are you seeking enlightenment? If so, then I don't think that such questions can be answered by any religious organization. My impression is that one has to see in one's own experience whether something is effective or not. So, if you feel the inclination to cut garlic and onions out of your diet, try it out and see what happens. If you do not, then that is fine as well.
Nisargadatta Maharaj said (and I am paraphrasing) with regards to such practices that anything one does in seeking to realize the truth will be helpful, and anything one does in forgetfulness of enlightenment will be harmful. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you have any inclination to do so. Personally, I don't see how garlic and onions in moderation could do any harm, but that is up to each individual to decide. |
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Thanks for your sound advice.
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Radhe Peshalan
The poster "devotee" gave good information from B. Gita about types of foods and what they can do to our body. In the Gaudiya Sampradaya is it advised that we dont eat garlic and onion. I think it is mentioned in Hari Bhakti Vilas that onion can disturbed our mind, with garlic I dont know if it has some undesirable effect. However based on the Gita g & o are rasajik because they are very spicy. I think we can go on without them. |
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Dear, I think your question is very genuine but after reading all the replies, i believe i should give this information which is actually not just ISKCON practice but many spritual seekers wisdom on their diet. Excerpt from Kurma book.... " You may know that onions and garlic are botanical members of the alliaceous family (alliums) - along with leeks, chives and shallots. According to Ayurveda, India's classic medical science, foods are grouped into three categories - sattvic, rajasic and tamasic - foods in the modes of goodness, passion and ignorance. Onions and garlic, and the other alliaceous plants are classified as rajasic and tamasic, which means that they increase passion and ignorance. Those that subscribe to pure brahmana-style cooking of India, including myself, and Vaishnavas - followers of Lord Vishnu, Rama and Krishna - like to only cook with foods from the sattvic category. These foods include fresh fruits, vegetables and herbs, dairy products, grains and legumes, and so on. Specifically, Vaisnavas do not like to cook with rajasic or tamasic foods because they are unfit to offer to the Deity. Rajasic and tamasic foods are also not used because they are detrimental to meditation and devotions. "Garlic and onions are both rajasic and tamasic, and are forbidden to yogis because they root the consciousness more firmly in the body", says well-known authority on Ayurveda, Dr.Robert E.Svoboda. Some branches of western medicine say that the Alliums have specific health benefits; garlic is respected, at least in allopathic medical circles, as a natural antibiotic. In recent years, while the apparent cardiovascular implications of vegetable Alliums has been studied in some detail, the clinical implications of onion and garlic consumption from this point of view are still not well understood. Nevertheless, there are still many adverse things to say about garlic and onions. Not so well known is the fact that garlic in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism bacteria. Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is more harmful than hemlock". It should be pointed out that Garlic and onion are avoided by spiritual adherents because they stimulate the central nervous system, and can disturb vows of celibacy. Garlic is a natural aphrodisiac. Ayurveda suggests that it is a tonic for loss of sexual power from any cause, sexual debility, impotency from over-indulgence in sex and nervous exhaustion from dissipating sexual habits. It is said to be especially useful to old men of high nervous tension and diminishing sexual power. The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the alliaceous family were detrimental to humans in their healthy state. In his writings, one sage Tsang-Tsze described the Alliums as the "five fragrant or spicy scented vegetables" - that each have a detrimental effect on one of the following five organs - liver, spleen, lungs, kidneys, and heart. Specifically, onions are harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Tsang-Tsze said that these pungent vegetables contain five different kinds of enzymes which cause "reactions of repulsive breath, extra-foul odour from perspiration and bowel movements, and lead to lewd indulgences, enhance agitations, anxieties and aggressiveness," especially when eaten raw. Similar things are described in Ayurveda. 'As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, these (alliaceous) plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally nd spiritually'. Back in the 1980's, in his research on human brain function, Dr Robert [Bob] C. Beck, DSc. found that garlic has a detrimental effect on the brain. He found that in fact garlic is toxic to humans because its sulphone hydroxyl ions penetrate the blood-brain barrier and are poisonous to brain cells. Dr Beck explained that as far back as the 1950s it was known that garlic reduced reaction time by two to three times when consumed by pilots taking flight tests. This is because the toxic effects of garlic desynchronize brain waves. "The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you would be if you'd [not] had a few drops of garlic." For precisely the same reason the garlic family of plants has been widely recognized as being harmful to dogs. Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts. Nor is garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic also destroys beneficial bacteria, which are essential to the proper functioning of the digestive system. Reiki practitioners explain that garlic and onions are among the first substances to be expelled from a persons system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed. These are just some of the reasons I avoid leeks, chives, shallots, garlic and onions. " Hare Krshna |
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Here is another homeopathic view, for garlic.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the...-of-garlic.htm So if you do research on the topic, as with many other foods, herbs etc., you will find a variety of points of view. Tobacco was once considered healthy. Sugar is still considered healthy in some places. Science evolves. Ideas evolve. It is up to the individual to determine what they themselves think. Aum Namasivaya |
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I do not take Garlic or Onion. But there is an interesting view on Garlic. When Vishnu cut the head of the serpent, it had already drunk a few drops of the Nectar. So after beheading, these drops fell to earth and some of it became Garlic, along with other poisonous things. However, having imbibed nectar, these products also retain that original abrasive trait of Rahu along with immortality of Nectar. And I think it is true that poison can be medicine or medicine can be poison. Om Namah Shivaya
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CHICAGO -- There wasn't much Rudy Gay could do except shrug off the collision and hope his teammate wasn't seriously injured.
The fact that Jonas Valanciunas left the court on a gurney with a neck injury sure did take the shine off a wild win, though.
DeMar DeRozan scored 20 points, and the Toronto Raptors beat the Chicago Bulls 101-98 on Tuesday night.
Gay added 19 but collided with Valanciunas during a scramble in the closing seconds, resulting in a neck injury for the Raptors' center and an overnight stay for observation at Chicago's Rush University Medical Center.
"It's one of those plays," Gay said. "That's what makes the job tough. That's why everybody can't do it. Sometimes, things like that happen being aggressive trying to get the ball. He's an aggressive player, but he just ended up in the wrong spot. We're hoping that he's OK. But we all know that anytime anything can happen. We all know that. Look at the Final Four, some of the crazy injuries that happened in that. This is a physical game."
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Nate Robinson nailed a 3-pointer with just under a minute left and Carlos Boozer hit two foul shots with 16.8 seconds remaining to pull Chicago within 99-97.
DeRozan then made two free throws to get the lead up to four, but the Bulls weren't finished. Robinson hit the first of two free throws with 10.6 seconds left, and after a jump ball following the miss, there was a scramble for the loose ball.
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"I took my eyes off the ball," Robinson said. "I saw Kirk (Hinrich) to my left wide open. When Booz threw me the ball he threw it kind of fast and I was in pass motion to throw it to Kirk and I took my eyes off of it."
Right after the tip on the jump ball, Valanciunas' head hit Gay's shoulder. He fell backward, immediately grabbing the back of his neck, and he was tended to for several minutes while sitting up on the sideline. He had his neck placed in a brace before being taken away on a gurney.
The Raptors said test results at the hospital were pending late Tuesday night.
"Nobody wants to see their player get carted off, but knowing him, he's a tough guy and he'll push through it," Gay said.
For the fifth-place Bulls, the loss left them just a half-game ahead of Atlanta in the Eastern Conference with five to play. It also damaged their chances of catching Brooklyn, a team they trail by three, for the fourth seed and homecourt advantage in the first round of the playoffs. The Nets beat Philadelphia on Tuesday.
Veteran guard Richard Hamilton returned to Chicago's rotation after missing more than a month with a back injury, but with Joakim Noah (right foot), Luol Deng (hip), Taj Gibson (sprained left knee) and Derrick Rose (left knee) sidelined, the Bulls struggled on both ends and dropped their second straight game.
Gay shook off a poor performance after matching a season low with four points in Saturday's loss to Milwaukee.
DeRozan shot 8 of 13. Terrence Ross came off the bench to score 13. Kyle Lowry added 13 points and 10 assists, and the Raptors shot over 51 percent.
Jimmy Butler led Chicago with a career-high 28 points. Robinson scored 22, and Boozer added 19 points and 11 rebounds.
Hamilton was a surprise addition to the rotation after coach Tom Thibodeau said at the shootaround that he would not play. Instead, he got in 15 minutes and finished with four points after missing the previous 19 games, but Chicago again stumbled badly after falling to Detroit on Sunday.
"We dug ourselves a huge hole at the beginning of the game. It's hard to claw out of those holes," Butler said.
The Raptors broke it open midway through the third, scoring 12 straight to turn a four-point lead into a 76-60 advantage.
Gay had seven points during that run, capping it with a 3-pointer with 3:26 left in the quarter, but things got interesting at the end.
"This was a great game here and something that we can build on," Lowry said.
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Antti Tyrvainen
1989-04-03 |
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2008-09: Antti Tyrvainen made his pro debut as a 19-year-old, appearing in five regular season games and one playoff contest for Pelicans Lahti in Finland's SM-Liiga. He had no points or penalties and was -1 in limited ice time for the Pelicans. Tyrvainen led the Pelicans U20 team with 104 PMs and scored 9 goals with 9 assists in 27 games. He had no points with 29 PMs in three playoff games.
2009-10: Tyrvainen split the season between Pelicans Lahti in the SM-Liiga and HeKi in Mestis (Finland's second league). Tyrvainen was third on the Pelicans with 85 PMs despite skating in just 32 games and finished +6 on a team that finished twelfth in the league and allowed 31 more goals than it scored. Offensively, he scored 8 goals with 3 assists. In 25 games with HeKi he scored 10 goals with 9 assists and had a team-high 73 PMs. Tyrvainen scored 2 goals with 2 assists and 8 PMs in four games with Pelicans U20 team.
2010-11: Tyrvainen led the SM-Liiga with 186 penalty minutes in his first full season with Pelicans. In 52 games for the last place Lahti club he also scored 14 goals with 9 assists and had a -9 plus/minus. Tyrvainen signed a two-year, entry-level contract with Edmonton in June 2011.
2011-12: Tyrvainen skated in 55 of 72 games for Edmonton AHL affiliate Oklahoma City in his first pro season in North America. The Finnish forward provided the physical, energy presence that he displayed in the SM-Liiga and chipped in offensively for the Barons. His 71 penalty minutes tied him with Kirill Tulupov for third-most on the Barons and he was plus-nine with 6 goals and 13 assists. Oklahoma City finished first in the West Division and reached the playoff semifinals. Tyrvainen skated in all 14 playoff games and was minus-one with 1 assist and 20 penalty minutes.
2012-13: An early season injury kept Tyrvainen out of the lineup for nearly two months in his second season with Edmonton AHL affiliate Oklahoma City. The abrasive winger scored 3 goals with 2 assists in 32 games and was -1 with 65 penalty minutes. The Barons finished third in the South Division and reached the Western Conference finals. Tyrvainen skated in 16 of 17 playoff games, scoring 3 goals with 3 assists, and was +3 with 28 penalty minutes. He signed a contract to play for Jokerit in Finland in 2013-14 and was tendered a qualifying offer by Edmonton in July 2013, becoming a restricted free agent.
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Ferocious, relentless, and fearless. Tyrvainen developed a reputation in Finland as a dirty player who played over the edge on a regular basis and hit to hurt. He is not without a modicum of skill, however bringing energy and an undeniable physical presence to bear is what his game is all about and those are the attributes that will take him as far as he manages to go.
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mayser Posts: 1On 12/28/12, I purchased a 2013 Honda Accord EXL w/Navi for $26,733 + $790 destination fee in Jersey City, NJ. It seems that quite a few people across the country are getting amazing deals. It was tough to get the dealers to come down. We absolutely love this Accord. It drives smoothly, it is very sleek and stylish, the leather is top quality, and it has the feel of a luxury car. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences. This forum has been a great resource.
romil01 Posts: 75Specifically comparing the Sonata and the Accord, I think the visibility in the Accord is much better.
Agree. I have been leasing a 2011 Sonata GLS for nearly 3 years now. It has been a good car other than some squeaks in the interior and off-center steering. However, having test driven the new Accord, there is no comparison. The Accord is nicer in every way other than the exterior design and the price. -
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coches1 Posts: 104Hello Julian,
The front driver seat is my main concern. Almost all the time it is just me driving. It is interesting that a minor characteristic can make a big difference.
Go to a Honda dealer and sit in the back seat. Even better, rent a Honda
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unlv_rebels Posts: 32The latest IIHS test is the small front overlap, which places just a fraction of the front end with the brunt of a full-force impact. It's made automakers sweat the details a little more. And some have done a little better than others. The IIHS announced its new test in 2009, giving automakers plenty of time to make their vehicles safer.
A vehicle that came out all-new in 2011 might not have had the time to undergo any changes, as its design was locked into place years ago. But a new car only takes three years to reach the market. There's really no excuse for any of them to perform too poorly, even if it is an all-new test.
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sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,957Our Mazda3 s just hit 115k miles yesterday and we predict that we'll be keeping it until at least 150k if not longer. Sure, we've had to put some $ into it this past year but it sure beats having to spend almost $20k on a new car. And with the motor mounts repair, car drives like brand new. Mazda's are as reliable and will last just as longer as the other Japanese brands in my opinion...and we have never kept a car past 80k miles ever before...this Mazda is a great car!
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brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,36213A,
I KNOW YOU POSTED YOUR DEAL ABOUT YOUR NEW YRS EVE PURCHASE AT AUTOSPORT Honda in N.J.
correct me if im wrong. your deal was $1000 below dealers invoice on the auto / sport model..... You posted a 2000 below dealers invoice purchase price.... tks
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mycuzinvinny Posts: 3Wondering if this is a good deal:
Price: 27,314.14
Doc: 398.50
Tax: 458.85
Tag: 55.00
They threw in guards and wheel locks. Put a deposit down since they didn't have my color. I might need to call them about the tax. Bought in VA but live in NC, it seems a little low.
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mvperez4jesus Posts: 231I am still scratching my head in a way. Specially as a dealer offered me $750 less. The total would be like $16,860 for my OTD for a 2013 Mazda 6 isport automatic. I will meditate until Monday and see what's best. Again the 2013 accord won't go for less than 22k OTD. So I am still somewhat debating.
I guess you would go for the Mazda.
When I test drove the Mazda, for the first 2000 feet or so there was clucking clucking noise that went away completely after that. It wasn't the car color I wanted so it wasn't going to be that one anyway. But the reviews about engines failing and transmission going bad were what made me wonder and pull back. By the way the dealer is in Easton PA if anyone is interested. -
mvperez4jesus Posts: 231By the way my hopeful philosophy is that I will keep the accord for 120k150k saving me $2600-$3500 in gas. Plus Resale value and hopefully less money in maintenance, and the accord extra features: back up camera, bluetooth, alloy wheels, better crash testing will pay in the long run.
On the other hand with the Mazda I would save now and if reliability proof to be good, I wouldhave saved a lot of money.
The really odd thing about the Mazda is that I found out that they stopped production of that car in August 2012 and they still have leftovers. There were about 7k as of December.
They won't make them in Florida and they moved them to Japan for 2014 because they are not selling and don't get me wrong, is a hot looking car imho, and for those prices it makes me wonder why not more people are driving them. -
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gee22 Posts: 82HOnda's warranty does not cover the tires. If you check the documents you were given, you will find the tire manufacturer's warranty.
If your flat tire was caused by a road hazard like a nail, your flat won't be covered. You will only get something back from the tire manufacturer if there was a defect in the tire. -
brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,362I'm actually in talks with Metro honda right know.. managers name is baldimir i will let you know. jersey dealers with high doc fee's that wont come down on sale price of car is something you need to consider. Most of the jersey dealers will quote you between 400 and 600 below dealers invoice. all have doc fee's of 249 to 400 dollars. that means if you cant go any lower on car price your buying close to invoice price.. Last day of the month is your target buying date.
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brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,362your dealership went almost 1 k below invoice. really good price. but you gave 400 back for doc fee's. they are crooks these dealers..
i think when the accord market loosens up people could get the 1k plus the doc fee's added to sale price. right know most deals are going 400 to 850 below invoice knowing there recouping 300 to 500 on doc fee's. Every month you could wait longer the price will get better.2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350
brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,362yes i have. there is one poster 13a claims he bought a 2013 model last day of Dec, for 2k below invoice. I highly doubt that one. and there have been a few poster that got close to 6 or 700 below dealers invoice in our area but gave back high doc fee's.. The last day of this month will tell if Honda dealers are willing to come down lower on pricing. The high Volume dealerships will be the key. There are dealers who have went as low as 1k below dealers invoice in a few States but not many. Weymouth honda would be the only dealer so far that i know that would sell me any Accord for that price. They have doc fee's of 239 so in actuality Weymouth Honda is selling that accord at $761 below his invoice. like ive been posting in both Honda forums and been preaching... On jan, 31 after i send out my 30 emails and phone calls to the dealers i will then have my answer to best price scenario's Until then this is all hear say .
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jackson72 Posts: 6I purchased the car from Roy Small at Metro Honda. No trade in. I'm financing for 36 months at 1.99%. I received this low rate because of top tier credit. Metro Honda is tough. They would not waive any fees, including the $369 doc fee. I went there twice to negotiate and, both times, they let me walk away.
I decided to purchase the Accord from them because they offer lifetime free oil changes, they will let you use a loaner car if you are servicing your car there, and they offer 10 year/100,000 mile engine and transmission warranty (but caveat is that this is only effective if you've gotten all your routine maintenance work done there), I hope that $27.5 (including destination) is still a good deal. I'm sure that prices will come down as the months pass. But I couldn't wait. In any event, we absolutely love the car. The new model is very impressive and has a "wow" factor... from the "luxury" grade leather seats to the electronic/safety features. This is Honda's best Accord. -
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darrin8 Posts: 14Brian, update to Weymouth's price on the 13 Touring. We agreed to the price I mentioned in my previous post (1000 below invoice with 239 doc fee =761 total below invoice) and I am now waiting delivery of vehicle(1/2st Week in Feb 13) to Weymouth from the factory since there were no Black tourings located in North East that had less than 200miles(demo's) or would would trade with his dealership. Tourings are in low number right now.
Will update forum when I actually purchase vin. By the way no delerships in VA can even come close to it and will not come below invoice and they want to stick you with 499-599 processing fee's. I dont see how/why people here in VA are letting the dealerships get away with those profits. I did learn something with all of the negotiating with around 50 dealerships in Va and GA. The ones who really tried to match Weymouths (which there were none who could) there were a few sales mangers told me if I could get the car for that price I should jump on it and don't let that deal go since I would not see that pricing here locally. I figured those dealerships were at least giving me the straight talk. -
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brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,362Darrin
Are you taking a train to boston to pick up your car???????????????????????? I personally think, dont know yet til i start my negotiations on last day this month that there are a couple of honda dealerships here in new york with only $75 dollar doc fee's..
i plan on trying to get my best deal with them after getting best prices from New jersey dealers. i know if i go to Weymouth honda i could do 1k or better.
Here is a list of N.J. dealerships who i like in best to worst order and feel can get the best price closest to Weymouth honda if anybody is interested.
1- AutoSport
2- Paul Miller
3- Hamaliton
4- Joyce
5- DCH Acedamy Good dealership 500 below has been there lowest price.
6- Garden State........... maybe
7-Metro.. Always load there cars with add on's gotta know how to negotiate,high doc fee's $369
8- Planet honda.. High doc fee's of 398 claim to match any offer on paper so unless you can get a great price quote dont expect much at this place.
Brian2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350
sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,957Had the same problem two weeks after we bought the wife's Mazda back in '05...had to purchase a new tire and then two months later, a new alloy. Was sorry then that we didn't purchase the tire/rim package from the F&I guy but since then, only normal wear and tear. This is one of the pitfalls of owning a vehicle...[non-permissible content removed] like this seems to happen sometimes. Just have to chalk it up to bad luck and move on...sucks, but hey, life does suck sometimes!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:2015 Audi A3 (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1) / 2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)


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