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I for one would like something to substitute for the Journal of Functional Analysis. (My own feeling, but I could very well be mistaken, is that GAFA has both a slightly different focus and a higher median "quality" these days.) There is also, lower down the ladder as regards algebraic functional analysis, the Journal of Mathematical Analysis and Applications.
A couple of newer free journals in analysis have been set up in the last couple of years, but I don't think they have reached the status where those of us needing to play these silly publication games can gladly submit there. Perhaps if more senior people submit to them then their stock will rise.
Disclosure: I have a paper in JFA and a paper in JMAA, and done a fair amount of refereeing for the latter.
I guess I can plug Analysis & PDE, an MSP journal where I am an editor, which is basically the analysis version of Geometry & Topology, and has respectable citation indices (for those people who have to care about such things). Thus far it hasn't had many submissions from the functional side of analysis, but I don't see why it wouldn't be able to take such submissions.
Thanks, TT - I must sheepishly admit that I hadn't heard of Analysis & PDE before. Well, the calibre of the authors to date seems a bit daunting, but certainly this will now go on my list of journals to consider if I ever strike gold. (In all honesty, I think only one of my papers to date would have been a realistic candidate for submission there.)
I second 8 that there is a need for a math-society driven top level journal in algebra in general (that is: not too focused on better covered group/representation theory or number theory, which had several of their own journals). Communications in algebra has large volume, so while the price per page is not that much a problem it is overall a sizeable subscription pricewise and most of the institutions I had relation to in past had no subscription for it; besides it is not as good as Journal of algebra. If we look at the list of journals issued or distributed by American Mathematical Society and Soc. Math. de France which is at this alpha journals list we see that most of the journals are of general nature and besides we have there listed specialized journals for algebraic geometry, number theory, representation theory, operator theory, computation, applied mathematics, dynamics, probability, history of mathematics. London Math. Society controls new Journal of topology and there is a related control over new Journal of K-theory whose board went to better deal than before with Kluwer. Thus the most obvious big gap in big-society driven publication is algebra without quite well represented group/representation theory and number theory.
I also feel a difficult fragmentation in mathematical physics. For much of that area the things are OK. String theory gets easily published almost anywhere. Old fashioned mathematical physics (like analysis of Schroedinger operators) has its own favorite journals, even among the general ones (even Annals get biased toward those often). With the rest it is a problem. Letters in Math. Physics (Springer) and Communications in mathematical physics (Springer) are excellent but not enough for such a big area of science; besides they are bpth in Springer and not handled by a mathematical society, and Communications in particular, is not affordable for many libraries. Most of other journals in mathematical physics are published by more physics oriented boards (e.g. Journal of Math. Physics, Journal of Physics A) and like to reject papers which did not get enough close to a concrete physical application. This makes many of my colleague and even some collaborators resorting to a not so honest style with a long introduction talking about general motivation, metioning so many references and talking Planck scale physics and all kinds of bullshit which is not even touched in the calculations in the paper. If you do not do that you get rejected, while if you do that, you obscured the text and cheated the reader. It is becoming an accepted, received and normalized behaviour in number of areas like in the study of noncommutative space-times and so on, where I happened to write few articles. It is always a frustration when you risk a quick rejection of the paper just because you reject the impulse to write a nonsense introduction mentioning quantum gravity and alike without true excuse for that. I am talking about average level publications in journals of the level of Journal of physics A. The fate of their publishing depends less on their results and more on their packacking and presentation. I know authors who publish by steady pace very non-original work but have established patterns how to package and do not mind getting through 2-3 journals per paper per publication until acceptance. On the other hand, I feel if one has a paper rejected one should rethink through the whole issue, redo the part of the research and so on, and not just go to the second journal and do the job by persistence.
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The Mongol army led by Genghis Khan subjugated more lands and people in 25 years than the Romans did in 400. In nearly every country the Mongols conquered, they brought an unprecedented rise in cultural communication, expanded trade, and a blossoming of civilization.
Vastly more progressive than his European or Asian counterparts, Genghis Khan abolished torture, granted universal religious freedom, and smashed feudal systems of aristocratic privilege. From the story of his rise through the tribal culture to the explosion of civilization that the Mongol Empire unleashed, this brilliant work of revisionist history is nothing less than the epic story of how the modern world was made.
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"With appreciative descriptions of the sometimes tender tyrant, this chronicle supplies just enough personal and world history to satisfy any reader." (Publishers Weekly)
"There is very little time for reading in my new job. But of the few books I've read, my favourite is Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford. It's a fascinating book portraying Genghis Khan in a totally new light. It shows that he was a great secular leader, among other things." (Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India)
"Weatherford's admiration for Genghis and his firsthand knowledge of many of the sites important in Mongol history give this text an immediacy and a visual quality that are enhanced by Davis's presentation. When the narrative begins to lag in its final hour or two as it moves farther from the twelfth century, Davis's crisp pace maintains the listener's interest to the end. An informative and provocative work of popular history." (AudioFile)
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What a comprehensive and fascinating detailed history of the great Khans. Weatherford's mastery as a researcher is on full display and is truly up to the task of investigating and sharing the incredible evidence he witnessed being uncovered. The performance is also brilliant. Just to hear the reader pronounce so many names which are difficult to pronounce and read in English with so much confidence, clarity, precision and consistency is worth the price of admission alone. To me this book is a high water mark for its combination of content, performance and new information. Its an instant classic highly recommended. Flawless.
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Western histories tend to avoid this bit - this book fixes that big time. It is a history, but with about as much characterization as is possible. It is filled with details and I learned a lot and enjoyed every minute. I would recommend this book to anyone interested in history. The story is filled with action and intrigue, technology and religion, war and even a little peace. It is more than just the novelty that makes this a wonderful listen, it is the story and the characters.
"A passionate, eye-opening chunk of history"
The writer, Weatherford, is not what you'd call a great prose stylist, but the story he tells is stunning, and he did all the leg-work. His heart is in it. If you want to know how the modern world was born, listen to this.
Davis' narration is thrilling. Loved it all.
Hey Audible, don't raise prices and I promise to buy lots more books.
"A Classic"
Tolerant, wise, enlightened, brilliant outside of war... hardly adjectives to describe the historical figure we have come to know as Genghis Khan. Yet this is only the surface of the positive attributes described by Jack Weatherford. Genghis Khan was one who lived in the 12th century but had so much to contribute to the modern world it is really quite unbelievable. Genghis Khan's people came from within tribes to successfully govern over and administer to a land-mass of cities, states and countries greater than no other in history.
I was brought up on black and white TV watching cowboys and Indians. Like everyone else of my generation, we were taught the Indians were savage and barbaric... not too unlike what we are taught about the Mongolian people. Perhaps there have been others but this was my first read revisionist history to lend some balance about another tribe of People who have been so long persecuted even to this day.
For me the book had just enough about the military campaigns to reveal that aspect of of Genghis Kahn without overshadowing all of his contributions and what exactly the entire world was like back then. The book is so relevant for today's world. This is a book about history, literature, religion, philosophy and of course cultural anthropology. The balance of all things in this book were exquisite.
For me this was an incredible book, scholarly written and beautifully narrated.
"Superb History"
This book was extremely interesting and informative. It filled in the missing gaps of my personal history knowledge. The style is fluid and easy to follow and the reader has a very pleasant and soothing voice.
Fantastic read or listen. Highly recommend.
I listen to audiobooks commuting to and from work and until Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World never had listened to one that actually kept me in the car for longer than necessary. I'd be idling for extended time while it got later and later listening to this incredible work.
The narration is great and the story is spellbinding. I bought the book on a whim and have no regrets.
The first half is much better than the second half, but I enjoyed the story immensely from start to finish and highly recommend.
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"Stunning News! Great story."
It is hard to believe that we were taught so little about such a major part of our worlds history. I guess that can be partly attributed to the fear that the powers had of even the story of such a man as Genghis Khan. I loved every minute of this book. It reads more like a novel than history. I hope that this will filter down into our education system as it is important to know the hands that shaped our world into what it is today. Genghis Khan was one of the most influential of those hands. Excellent book. Highly recommended.
"A New Vision of the Mongol Empire"
Fantastic book. Very good introduction to the Mongol History. Wonderfully written, keeps you entertained, wishing that the book never ends.
The narrator also did a wonderful job.
A must read for who likes History
"You need to read this book."
I have either been asleep at the switch my whole life or no one took the time to really teach me history. I had no idea that the world was anything like this book depicts. Your notion about history will change forever once you have read this fantastic book. It really is a game changer.
"Forget what you've been taught in the past!"
I am not a big reader of history, but this caught my eye, and I was not disappointed. The audiobook is a little bit hard to follow, in terms of the large amount of information and its organization. So, it isn't a casual, or bedtime, read (listen). That said, I would include this in my short, "must listen" list since it is such a stereotype busting book. It will change your perception of the past with lessons that clearly apply to today's world. For me it ranks up there with Sun Tzu's Art of War -- albeit a much more engaging read.
"Amazing! Wonderful! Couldn't get enough!"
I stumbled onto this one by chance, and quickly grew to love it -- who'd ever know that much about the Mongols and how they changed the world? Years of research have gone into this book, and it shows. The 'Secret History', an original Mongol document about Gengis Khan's life, only became available for researchers quite recently, so there is now a wealth of brand new information. Many surprises, many really astonishing facts are waiting for the listener! The prose is at the right pace, not patronizing, not too scientific. One can also feel how much the author simply loves Mongolia... Good reader too. I simply couldn't get enough and was thirsting for more when it was over. I am now going to read his other books...
"Liked it so much I didn't want it to end"
I actually already did start to listen to it again. This book is so packed full of interesting stories and information, I found it hard to retain them all from one listen.
I never thought a history book would keep me so entertained and interested. This one certainely did, the story of Gengis Kahn and his sucessors is told so well it almost reads like a novel. I loved the way this book changed my understanding of world history, illustrating the impact of the mongol empire on the world.
Despite being packed with historical information, place names, dates and significant people, this book does not read like a history book at all. The story flows incredibly well and keeps you coming back for more. The reader has a voice that is very nice to listen to, becomes noticable when the reader changes for the afteroword.
I wouldn't say "moved" but I did get excited about this book and recommended it to friends and family.
The ultimate measure of a non-fiction book must be if it changes the way you think and see the world. This one absolutely changed my understanding of history.
"A new outlook towards the traditional history"
A very important part of the history spanning for 4-5 decades and influencing every aspect of modern civilisation. Very little credit has been given to this and very few books available in english.
Genghis Khan and Kubel Khan and their regime.
Excellent piece of work, highlighting religious tolerance and meritocracy propagated by Genghis khan.
Must read for everyone as. The book changes the outlook towards history and makes you think before accepting anybody view of the history in the future.
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Islamic states, Africans walk out on UN gay panel
Published Wednesday 07/03/2012 (updated) 12/03/2012 16:41
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay addresses the 19th session
of the Human Rights Council at the United Nations in Geneva Feb. 27, 2012.
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GENEVA (Reuters) -- Brushing aside high-level UN appeals for cooperation to halt murder and violence against gays and lesbians around the globe, Muslim and Arab countries on Wednesday stalked out of a Human Rights Council panel to tackle the issue.
Speaking before the walkout for the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Pakistan described homosexuality as "licentious behavior" while African group leader Senegal said it was not covered by global human rights accords.
Nigeria - where gay rights groups say there have been many attacks on male and female homosexuals - declared none of its citizens was at risk of violence because of sexual orientation or gender identity before it too left the chamber.
And Mauritania, for the Arab group, all of whose members are also in the OIC, said attempts to impose "the controversial topic of sexual orientation" would undermine discussion in the council of all genuine human rights problems.
The walkout, which diplomats said not all countries in the Islamic and African groups joined, was the first by three major blocs in the 47-member council, which has been dominated until recently by a caucus of developing countries and their allies.
It came after United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Human Rights High Commissioner Navi Pillay told the session that gays and lesbians should be protected by all governments.
"We see a pattern of violence and discrimination directed at people just because they are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender," Ban said in a video message to the panel, chaired by African group dissenter South Africa.
"This is a monumental tragedy for those affected -- and a stain on our collective conscience. It is also a violation of international law. You, as members of the Human Rights Council, must respond," the UN chief declared.
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Islamic and most African countries have long kept discussion of what the UN dubs "sexual orientation and gender identity" out of the council but a strong drive by the United States and South Africa brought it onto the agenda last June.
With a developing country bloc in the body eroding, Latin American countries like Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay joined in to push through a narrow vote to mandate Wednesday's panel and the High Commissioner's report.
Pillay, once a South African high court judge, told the session her life under apartheid had taught her that "ignorance and bigotry" could only be overcome by education and frank discussion among people with different views.
In her report she detailed the often fatal abuse - she labeled it "homophobia" - homosexuals faced around the globe ranging from mob killing for males, multiple rape of lesbians "to cure them" and torture in public and private jails.
The report said 76 countries among the U.N.'s 192 members had laws criminalizing homosexual behavior. At least five - in particular Iran - provide for the death penalty while efforts are under way in Uganda to introduce the same punishment.
"I know some will resist what we are saying," said Pillay, who earlier this week was accused by Egypt in the council of promoting homosexuality by pressing on with the report despite the objections of Islamic countries.
In a clear reference to Islamic and African countries, she said some states would argue that homosexuality or bisexuality "conflict with local cultural or traditional values, or with religious teachings, or run counter to public opinion".
But while they were free to hold their opinions, she declared, "That is as far as it goes. The balance between tradition and culture, on the one hand, and universal human rights on the other, must be struck in favor of rights."
1 ) milad / syria
07/03/2012 22:27
the u.n. leadership are just tools of the americans.
2 ) Nour / One State
07/03/2012 22:29
What a shame, our Arab countries cannot even come to terms with human sexuality,or any minority! Shame on us for living in the stone age. Wake up people homosexuality is found in nature.
3 ) Colin Wright / USA
07/03/2012 23:42
"That is as far as it goes. The balance between tradition and culture, on the one hand, and universal human rights on the other, must be struck in favor of rights." Just as an abstract philosophical consideration, absent tradition and culture, can there be any such thing as rights? I don't see how. Isn't that what tends to go wrong with revolutions? Without traditional constraints, there are no rights, and the sky (or the execution ground) becomes the limit.
4 ) Colin Wright / USA
07/03/2012 23:52
Anyway, the UN et al are headed for a fall on this one. Various East Asian cultures don't much care about homosexuality, and of course that homosexuality should be tolerated has become accepted in most circles in Western Europe, the United States, and those places that look to these for moral guidance. However, the whole thing doesn't cut much ice in Africa, Eastern Europe, or the Islamic world -- in other words, among a good third of the human race.
5 ) Ajibola Hasan / Nigeria
08/03/2012 00:29
We're not animals like the WEST. We totally reject this abnormal practices in Africa and other part of Islamic countries.
6 ) Nour / One-State
08/03/2012 09:54
Why censor me, Maan? Have we decided to turn our back to the entire world? Freedom of expression? Human rights?
7 ) Hilde / Palestine
08/03/2012 12:01
The way sexual minorities are treated in some countries makes #5 statement about who is being an "animal" appear rather ... ridiculous. People are being tortured, burned and hanged for loving eachother. How is that not barbarism?
8 ) Nour / One-State
08/03/2012 15:20
#5 Those elements in the West calling for tolerance and a scientific attitude towards a vast portion of human sexuality, cannot be branded "animals" Ajibola. Your attitude reminds me of Boko Haram (Which translates to "Western Education is haram")- who of course cannot be branded "Muslims" for they kill and destroy people who don't agree with them. With all due respect, fix your own house which is on fire, before inciting other cultures to target their minorities. Respect human rights!
9 ) Nour / One-State
08/03/2012 15:23
#1 Milad, I'm curious to know, are you one of those stupid fascists who think homosexuality is a Western concept? If so, then I invite you to read the Arab poetry of Abu Nawwas and others who acknowledged homosexuality as a human condition and the subject of discourse, not taboo. The same can be said to Ajibola, if you think homosexuality is alien to Africa, then you must be uneducated. It PREDATED European colonialism - explain?
10 ) Nour / One-State
08/03/2012 15:26
Colin, I am thoroughly confused by your posts. What is your stance on homosexuals..i.e. people who are attracted to members of the same sex and pursue personal relations with them? Shouldn't they have access to jobs and perks of citizenship? Do you condone their cold-blooded murder at the hands of terrorists and at times, the State itself?
11 ) No-Nour / No-State
08/03/2012 16:03
It is obvious that the only thing which is uniting countries inside UN is their hatred toward America, West, Israel and Jews. As soon as UN stops talking about Israel they can not agree on anything.
12 ) Mohammad / Jordan
08/03/2012 18:22
Islam,Judaism,Christians all say homosexual is wrong.thats gods words.But if they want to be gay that's there problem,god will judge them,not me.But dont ask me to support gays that we should never do.I dont think this should be UN problem.
13 ) Sam / USA
08/03/2012 18:29
Hold on,I just solved the whole problem of rights for gays. Israel says its the state for Jews only right,wy don't we give all the gays a state of there own,but where,maybe some European country. If Jews can do it wy not gays.Then we can do them like Israel dose to GAZA,have blocked of them.because when god strikes them he can just take them out.
14 ) Business / Israel
09/03/2012 04:44
It is not a "shame" Arab- Islamic culture cannot come to terms with gays, it is simply a symptom of their totalitarian mindset. #5 is the perfect example. That is one more reason why we will not subject ourselves to this culture. Totalitarian intolerant haters.
15 ) milad / syria
09/03/2012 13:27
@ nour9 if you have your views good.but western imperialism once again shows its liberal fascist policys,interwoven with zionism.we don't need those policys
16 ) imperialisms / disguises
09/03/2012 13:35
morecolnial policys of the west,be it economically,culturally or political mrs.nour. the same people who want to bomb syria ,inthe name of zionism,wahabism.why accept them to use liberalism in the name of attacking arabs,muslims non westerners. its part of they globalisation policys
17 ) a nour / zionist?
09/03/2012 13:37
and why would u call me a fascist.. get a grip man
18 ) zahwa / paris
09/03/2012 14:34
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There has been some talk of a huge bull recently taken in the northwest. Some confusion is did it come from Oregon or Washington? This is not a 466 bull from Oregon. This huge bull elk was shot with a rifle in Washington and green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical. This elk was taken by Dan Agnew. I emailed Dan to confirm as it seems rumors are already abound about this new potential state record Washington non-typical elk.
The elk was taken on September 3, 2008 in eastern Washington and is a 9 x 10 that green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical.
How does this rank in the books?
The current state record is the Jeff Thorpe bull from 2003. Jeff took this elk with his bow and so is the overall state record in addition to archery state record. Jeff's bull scores 421 7/8 B&C.
The Dan Agnew bull with a green score (if this holds up) of 436 net B&C will not only shatter the state record but be the biggest bull elk from the northwest and also a potential top ten non-typical bull in the world.
Dan Agnew is no stranger to monster record book bulls. He currently has the #7 all-time non-typical bull and the #21 all-time typical bull – both coming from the San Carlos Apache Reservation.
I will post some more as I get more information about this awesome elk.
Man, the dark-horse bull elk from 2008 just might be from Washington. Who would have thought!
UPDATE: This bull has officially been scored and recognized by Boone & Crockett with a score of 436 4/8. This 9×10 point giant is the biggest bull in the state of Washington as a non-typical and ranks #13 in the world.
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that is a nice bull but where in eastern washington did he shoot it becuse most of the east side is spike only. I wonder if he had a speacial permit
I believe that Mr. Agnew was in possession of our Governers Tag which allowed him the opportunity to hunt this BEAST of a bull.
I was told it was the Washington Govners Elk tag. Also told it was Taken around Dayton, WA
He purchased the eastern washington governor's taq for a mere $63,000
It was shot on the west side of the blues in the dayton unit
Seriously.. $63,000 for a tag? That's insane. Or, he's just insanely rich. Either way.. insane!
I'm nos so sure it was in the Dayton unit. I heard it was in the wenaha unit? Can anyone battle my claims with concrete info. What a bull !!!
I was emailed six photos of this bull. Both alive and after harvest. The one shown above is not one of them. But the ones I have show the antlers much better. The photo above really doesn't do this bull justice. The straight on photo is most impressive. The mass is incredible. Do you not have other photos to post? I I can send the photos I have if given the email address. Can't attach photos here and can't find an address on the site. Also, that area around Mill Creek Watershed, where this bull was taken, overlaps into Oregon and is known for huge bulls but it is very difficult to draw a tag. I know of three huge archery bulls from that area on the Oregon side and have pictures.
I do have some other photos. I agree that the front on photo shows the elk the best. Therefore I have updated this post and included that photo as well.
You are correct in regards to the tag that Dan Agnew had. It was the eastern Washington Governor's tag.
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that is a monster, but i dont think any animal that costs more then normal tags,permits should be a legal record. fair chase is when any one can hunt it. not vary many people can pay $63,000 to hunt, if it realy did cost that much. if it didnt cost that much then,,, wow and congrats!!!! some one i know got one that scored 354 down in the blues with a permit and has video of one that would have scord over 400.
ITS NOT A HIGH FENCE BULL!!!! But even so it is still the governors tag and I disagree with that. It shouldnt even be eligable for the record book. Oh well what can a poor bee farmer do?
nice bull!!, Corey, did you guide?…nice…its not a high fence…its in the mountains , man!!
chump….formally of Walla Walla.
I always felt the record book was to honor and admire the animal NOT the hunter. Who knows, if it wasn't for this expensive state wide tag and an army of scouts and guides this bull may of lived out his life and died with no one knowing he existed. At least now Washington will get the recognition of having monster elk and we all get to see a magnificent specimen. Who cares who harvested it, as long as it was legal.
There has been a lot of talk around here this year about a set of 400+ sheds that were found in the area this spring. I also heard that "the guy that got the Governor's Tag" was trying to find out where they were found. I wonder if this is the same bull. Good for him I say. If I had $63,000 for recreation that is how I would spend it. There are a few 400+ bulls in the blues, it is nice to see someone get one.
What the heck is a govorners tag, I do not see any reference to in in the rules.
Don't get me wrong this is a very nice bull. However it is very pathetic that a person has to pay 63,000 to buy this bull, that is not a fair chase hunt when you hire guides to find you an animal. It is a disgace that hunting has came to how big your wallet is.
This bull was the governor's tag for eastern washington. He was shot on Chase Mountain with the assistance from several guides. When the bull was found, the hunter was called, he flew in to Walla Walla airport, and then shot the bull the next day. He took the horns, and got back on his jet and left. I think it is wrong and disrespectful of the animal. If you can't put in the time and effort to respect the animal, DON'T HUNT IT.
Who were the guides for this hunt?
Nice bull. Hey Dan, call me next year if you want to see a even bigger one. I bet you buy that tag again.
Get over the fact that Mr Agnew spent big $ for the opportunity to hunt this great bull! I can't think of a better thing to do with money than to pursue a trophy bull! One guide, two guides, or 10..Fair chase is fair chase and it's good to see Washington Guides come thru in a big way!
The sad part is the money does not go towards wildlife, but as with the rest of the tag money it goes directly into the general fund (which is spent on mostly Welfare and Police) and less than 2% is spend on anything to do with wildlife. This person killed this elk, but he did not hunt it…..he is not a hunter.
Actually the money does go towards wildlife per law see below. From what I have looked at it appears his tag was auctioned by RMEF at the 2008 Elk Camp in Reno.
By law, the revenue from a particular species auction and raffle tags must be spent on management of that species. Given that, the expenditures (since July 1999) for deer and elk have been marked for special projects, including a buck mortality study on black-tailed deer, investigations of deer hair loss syndrome, elk augmentations, elk carry-capacity study, and elk calf survival investigations. Expenditures for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats has been primarily for annual surveys for these species (83%), with smaller costs associated with special research projects (8%) and raffle tag marketing (9%).
It is a great bull, and a fine example of what Washington can produce, no debate there.
But there's no way, in my opinion, that a big money auction tag hunt, unless the same rules/seasons would apply for it as everyone else, should be considered a Fair Chase.
Fair Chase if you have Batman money to enter the extreme high dollar bid wars, so as to be able to BUY a bull, or buck of this caliber maybe.
If it was a drawn tag it would be different.
That is what keeps it Fair Chase…..everyone has a chance.
This way you only have a chance if you're willing to spend more than the next guy!
Look at the antelope records.
Govenors tag in Arizona is the current shared WR .
The same guy who holds the record now, just killed another one this year, they're saying may break his own, with….yep, another Govenors tag…..$60 some thousand worth, with the same guide outfit.
That is Fair Chase?
At least put one of those lil' marks after the entry, that would let us know how much the guy bought it for…….
Bottom line, I don't blame the guides or the hunter, and not even the trophy, but the rules need to change to better define Fair Chase in my opinion.
Whether he bought the tag or was drawn for the tag, he harvested a big bull. You get drawn for that tag and pay for a guide to get you in on a bull like that or spend the time to find him yourself either way it is hunting. Was he supposed to drive there instead of fly would that make it better. So what if he has enough money to buy the tag if he didn't buy it someone else would.
From the background in an email photo I saw (not shown here) it looks to me that it's in the Wenaha on Sawtooth Ridge. About a mile from the trailhead. Toward the top of that first big hole on the west side of the trail.
Hey branch bull '08, are you a local? Had you seen this bull before?
FLAT OUT THIS IS NOT HUNTING!!!! Money talks and unfortunately this bull is a commodity. To hire someone to locate and sit on an animal until your arrival to place the shot lacks any type or form of morals or ethics. I'ts all about bragging rights and a complete lack of respect for the animal you pursue.
I've known Dan for many years as he was neighbor of mine in Centraila,Wa If you don't know, he inherited some great wealth some years ago. It is not uncommon for Dan to spend an enormous amount of money for elk tags. Take a look at the jrecords, he holds the record I believe in the REMF auctions as well. Us normal folks would never get the chance to harvest these types of Bulls without the $$$$$$$.
Good Hunting anyway.
clearly a magnificant animal, this bull was harvested on public land,( Umatilla National Forest, Walla Walla Ranger District), the debate over how hard this particular hunter worked for him is a fair debate, bottom line this part of the Northwest houses some large bulls that are drawing plenty of attention..
that is a nice bull, I would personally have a hard time bragging about a $63,000 bull. In Oregon and Washington it is hard to draw tags for trophy units and these so called hunters with their governor's tags go into the prime units and kill huge bulls with rifles during archery season. Thats what I call hunting!!!
The antlers on this bull show a lot of Red Deer characteristics.
I wonder if this bull was an escapee from the Idaho game farms? It should be genetically tested.
So this guy simply paid $63,000 to fly in and pull the trigger on a truely magnificent animal. Absolutely pathetic IMO and this is EXACTLY what is wrong with "hunting" today and this guy deserves no recognition what so ever.
Also you can get this same tag your self yes if your lucky and only cost a few dollars i put in every year for them a local guy I know has drawn at lest 2 or 3 of them in a raffle just rember any animal is a trophy rember that fists buck that forked horn biggest animal you ever set eyes on and the memories will last forever no matter what the size my wifes elk hunt called dozen or more 300 class bulls no she didnt get one but I will rember that moment on each bull for ever and the look and smile on her face when they where 20 yards away
One heck of a bull! I just wish they would spook few of these bulls over into Idaho. Does anyone know if you can archery hunt without a special permit in the area or for that matter is it spike only all over Washington? Rifle and archery?
Jealousy in the hunting world is incrediable! This bull was taken legaly and fair chase. If anybody had the same kind if $$ as the hunter i would gaurentee you that they would do the same thing as he did. Just recognize the bull for what it is. Maybe some day we all will draw a permit and be lucky enough to hire some dedicated individuals to help locate and spot a "toad". Being that most of us do not live where we have access to public property so close to home. With the price of fuel most of us can not travel every weekend and evenings to scout. Therefore if some one can afford to pay some one to scout for them, what better way is there to "fuel the economy"?
I have to agree that this is a nice bull. You know what would even be nicer, if the WDFW allowed other paying hunters to get opportunities like this. i am not talking about people who can afford $63,000 for a tag, but those who have put in for many years for a branch antler bull tag and have never been drawn. I bet those people at the WDFW office often get drawn for big bull tags….Amazing how that works! The point system in the state is a joke, but apparently money can by anything, even a Boone and Crocket bull elk. Amazing what happens when you know someone that works for the WDFW….You get a nice trophy bull!
I agree with both sides on this one to certain degrees. I think at the very least the guy could have worked harder for it regardless of how wealthy he is. Most of us elk hunters work so freaking hard to get close to any elk that the ease of this kill makes it hard to swallow.
That said if this was $63 grand spent at an RMEF auction then it is money VERY WELL spent and to the good of all elk and wildlife habitat.. if you don't believe that you're not very well informed or are perhaps living under a rock.
This bull is a huge bull by any standards. I myself would not pay that kind of money for an elk. He apperantly has the cash flow to be able to spend that kind of money so be it. I just believe that a hunt like that is not in the true essence of hunting. He didn't have to hunt for that bull he had someone find it for him. That to me is not hunting. I can't take anything away from the bull it is huge.
I'm tring to figure out if some of you are upset about the killing of such a great animal or that someone paid a huge sum of money for the tag, guides, and travel to hunt a huge animal. It's never boring to go after spikes and 3 points all the time, but if you had the money to go on a big trophy hunt, wouldn't you do it. Is it any different than an Africian safari lion hunt or a marlin fishing trip in mexico. At least he spent the money in state, which the money from big hunts like this keep our hunting tag prices lower, and was taken in a spike only unit where he wasn't stealing it from other possible hunters.
It is a nice bull, but at what cost? It is a shame to take such a magnificent animal. The rich get to buy these tags and that is just wrong. Even worse is the fact he hired people to track it for him and learn where and when it traveled. How sporting…NOT!! To try and build the herds from good genetics is now gone. I feel that a person needs to hunt in the unit in which he lives and stay out of our back yard with your fat pocket book. This is a real crime.
I also have six pictures of the bull, they gave credit to someone named Butterfeild, maybe that was who took the pictures. They say the Bull was killed in the Wenaha.. The Wenaha Tecan wilderness is in Ore. and Wash.I Don't Know Dan Agnew but Believe everyone who says he killed it.I hunted this area forty or more years ago when I was in High school.They kill some nice bull there every year, it's hard to draw a tag.I am currious about the 466 inch Oregon Bull. Does anyone have info or was it a rumor?
I will guarantee you he didn't fly in and shoot this elk. He's a lucky man who has the money to do what he enjoys. He won this on a Raffle tag. I am not sure how much it cost but under Five dollars.At least I read it was a Raffle and not Auction.Face it thats the way it is now a days. Any wild Bull that big wasn't dumb. We have a couple big old bulls in our neighborhood. They don't come to calls, and they survive about five different hunts ever year.Very few people have ever laided eyes on anything but their tracks.Neither is as big as this bull.
The bull taken in the blue mt. by Dan is a great Bull. I have a friend that shot a bull this year with his bow that might beat Dans bull as the new state record.
I don't know Washington's unit names but the Wenaha unit is in Oregon. Although Wenaha does border Washington near Dayton.
Wow what a bull. I know one of the guides and this hunter came in two weeks prior and scouted the area for 3 days before yes receiving a call an flying over once they had spotted the bull. I do think its crazy that he paid 63,000 for the tag but if i could do it and get a monster like this why not especially when the money goes to the rocky mountain elk foundation. I love the comments about the people claiming he isn't a hunter and what is a governers tag? haha why are we so negative and such haters. If there is one place people can go and not be judged buy status and the money you have in this world, it is out hunting geared up in the same camo as the guy next to ya both smothered with deer scent enjoying the serenity of nature and all that comes with it.
I have a book called "Idaho's Greatest Mule Deer". The book tells the story of the biggest mule deer taken or found dead in the state of Idaho. The book is great and I would recommend it to anyone who likes to see big mule deer. I bring it up because as you read through this book you will not find many stories that start out about how the hunter paid thousands for the Gov's tag and then hired an outfitter to find a trophy for him. Most of them are hunters that didn't have that kind of money and hunting was something they did only during the season. Now you go buy a hunting magazine and the first few paragraphs on each animal might as well be an add for the outfitters used for the hunt. As for Dan's money going to a good cause I would disagree. The money will help to manage the elk herds but all that means is they will restrict more areas to keep you and me from shooting the big bulls so that in a few years Dan can over pay for another trophy like he has done in the past on the San Carlos. It isn't fair chase when you have guys like Dan or the guy that shot the "Spider Bull" who can buy trophies as they have.
First off I would like to congratulate Dan on a awsome bull. All you jealous people that like to make stuff up and belittle people for their accomplishments make hunters look bad. The only way to shoot a big bull in that area is to buy the gov. tag or draw a tag. If a guy has money let him spend it he earned it. Im sure the trucks you drive around with their huge lift kits and over sized tiers and alumminum wheels and any other assesories cost more than 63 thousand dollars . And for what you probable dont eaven take them off the pavement! All you haters get a life!!!!!! So I see Dan shot another bull this year that scores over 400″ let the bashing start all over?
What a bunch of jealous sore-heads…
YAY another guy that paid big bucks to go shoot him. He paid 63 thousand dollars for the govonor tag. He had guys scout him for him and when they found where he was they called him and he went out and shot it. IT WAS IN THE FIRST HALF AND HOUR THE MORNING WHEN HE WENT HUNTINg.
Curtis, I must disagree with you. What your saying about "Idahos Biggest Mule Deer" makes no sense. Do you use a good pair of binoculars when your hunting?!?!? I bet those guys in your book didnt have 1000$ Swarvoskis… Dont tell me you wouldnt buy the nicest scope you could afford if it helped your chances in the field. Unfortunatly for us and fortunatly for him he can afford a 60k$ governers tag, if I had that kinda spare cash you bet your ass I would do it. As for the money not benefitting the average hunter, thats ridiculus if people like you controlled permits and such, the elk herds would be diminished in a matter of years. The people that you say will restrict more area, are why bulls like this are around. Without them the sport of hunting woud not exsist…. (sorry for the rant)
Well it looks like Mr. agnews bull is not so big anymore. the pther bull that had rumors about it was shot on tuesday Oct 21 in the same unit. It scores 451. It is the one that the WDFW is passing the pics around trying to get a good price for next years govenor tag.I do not know if the guy is going to turn it in or not. He was just an average Joe that said when he drew out the anybull tag after aquireing points that he would just be happy to shoot any bull bigger than a 3 point. Now that is a true trophy not paid for just a good bull shot by an average Joe
My last comment was not approved for posting, so I will try to reword my comments. I don't know if my first comment was considered an "attack" on this guy or what…but I was simply relaying the information that I recievd from the Wildlife Enforcement Officer, from which area the bull was taken. Long story short, this guy had lots of help from the hired guide service, as well as help from a hired helicopter, to haze the bull onto the open hillside. This bull was not taken honorably or respectfully. This man does not deserve the right to get it scored, it wasn't a fair chase by any means. I am also told, that this guy is in trouble for his actions. This is not an attack on the man, just telling the truth about the hunt….
Carnivore is right…the "other" big bull (who's prior year's sheds have been senn by everyone) was taken in the same general area over a week ago. However, this year that "other" big bull is a 7 x 7 typical (not the 8 x 8 non-typical that he was last year) that will socre in the 415-420 range. This bull will likely be the new #2 typical in Washington as the current typical record (the Gunnier bull scoring 420 5/8 net) appears safe but we all will wait for the offical score. He will not socre close to 451 (I've seen the pics).
this is a great trophy to anyone. BUT i think faire chase should also be faire chance for every hunter.for it to be a true record then the tag should be atainable to all hunters that buy tags and draw permits, not just the rich guys. i dont think ther is anything wrong with what this guy did, i just dont think it should be in the same books. i know he can hunt with any wepon but since when can u not use hunters ornge during rifel season, more rule bending for the guys with money? to many records are being broke with this gov tag in many states not just here.
I can't believe no body has any comments about my last inquiry…I see "Ben" wrote about hunter orange and rule bending….but it wouldn't have mattered if all these guys had tied cow bells around their necks!! With the aid of the helicopter to haze this bull out, and all the horses used with the guide service…. I know who he is (the guide) I find it incredibly disturbing that no one else has heard of this, or maybe has and just don't believe it!?!? I ask you all….why would a Wildlife Game Enforcement Officer lie to me about this!?!? In fact two different Game Enforcement Officers gave me this information. I am only a hunter with no inside ties or anything like that…I just talk to the Watershed Enforcement guys and Wildlife Enforcement guys… I am amazed that I haven't seen more on this story. Everything was confiscated and he faces charges and fines!!!! That poor Bull had no chance against those odds!! He was trapped between a helicopter, men on horseback (guides), the actual hunter with the rifle, not to mention some of the terrain!!! I am sickened by the whole thing…….
"…the poor bull had not chance against the odds, he was trapped between a helicopter, men on horseback (guides), the actual hunter with a rifle, not to mention some of the terrain"…man, if that's your story on this hunt you have got some incredibly bad information and have no clue as to what actually happened.
This bull was killed after being seen by the outfitter, guide and hunter from a pickup within a 1/2 mile of a FS road in the first 1/2 hour of daylight on the hunter's first day of hunting after arriving in camp the night before. Yes, the hunter had a rifle and the terrain was steep but a Helicopter? Men (guides) on horseback?A trapped bull with no chance or place to go?
Maybe another year, maybe another hunt, maybe another tag holder, maybe another guide service but certainly not this year's hunter or his hunt for this bull! BE SURE you have your facts straight before you gossip and spread lies such as this.
I think that this is a nice bull, I have been hunting deer in North Idahofor about 12 years, and really trying hard for about 3 years to find an elk, mostly I just run in to people, though. I haven't been able to get a good shot at an elk, but I am definately not going to go buy one. I would rather spend another three years walking my butt off looking for a spike, maybe even a cow, you cant eat antlers anyways.
Great bull. I don't think any tag that allows you to hunt any unit, during the rut with a rifle, should be allowed in the books. Take your trophy, hang it on your wall and buy another one. Don't let them in the books with your true hunters, who don't stand a chance of "buying" their trophy. And if he was buying the tag to help out the elk cause, let him donate the money, and buy a general season tag. Just because you have money, you shouldn't be allowed to break the rules; right OJ.
Cross tha creek is full of B.S. up to his eyeballs!! Unbeliavable how somebody can come up with so much b.s. Horse's and Helicopter's??? That dude watches to much T.V.
Does anyone know how to get the facts? how much $ or where this came from?
All I read about is complaints about this person and a few compliments.. My question is this…. I see he took the horns and left.. What happend to the meat of this bull, did it go to rot, or did it get go for food. I was always taught , don't kill it unless you are going to eat it. Just wondering what happend to the bull ? And congrats to the hunter.
im not sure if dan did allthe things that cross tha creek implies and honestly i hope that if he has any amount of true sportsman in his blood he didnt,however with the way the gov. works in ore,wash, and other states i have been priviledged to hunt,i have seen a lot of wastefulness and complete disregard for our wildlife and giving respect to the the true majesty of a monster muley or a toad of a bull elk. all of us who hunt for these types of animals on a truly fair chase playing field know how amazingly hard it is to honestly harvest an animal of this magnitude,i hope that the wdw didnt allow this to happen but it wouldnt surprise me after all our states allow them to put up scruffy and entice people to shoot from the road! so i agree this bull shouldnt be allowed in the books if it wasnt fair chase
Why would this auction tag hunter take the horns and leave the meat? The elk was cut and quartered in the field and 100% of the meat was packed out…some taken by the hunter, the rest donated and none went to waste.
Facts and story of the hunt have appeared in multiple newspaper articles…Spokesman Review, Oregonian, The Daily Chronicle, Wenatchee World, etc. Unfortunately, a lot of misinformation and lies have been spread as well.
just because it is in the news papers does not make it fact!!!! but i have no problem with what he did, people can spend there money however they want, but it SHOULD NOT BE IN THE RECORDS WITH REGULAR TAG HUNTERS. what is the differance between a ranch hunt and having guides sit on the elk for days waiting for you to come shoot it. and the part about having guides ther long before him, was info he gave in one of his newspapers..
WHY CANT THE STATE WRITE IN AND CLEAR THIS ALL UP, mayby they dont know
It would be nice to get the whole story, probably won't happen, and I even know one of the guys who went on this trip, but if we think about it this is not much different than if one of us drew a big horn sheep tag. We would all spend a ton of money, whether we had it or not, to scout, hike, hire a guide and maybe even fly the area to insure we had a probability of success. Can we compete with Dan's funding, probably not. Is it the way I like to hunt, no. Do I think there should be a dividing line between traditional hunters, taught be their dads or self taught, and those that hire guides or private hunts, sure. But as long as men will be men, someone will cheat so there will never clearly be a line drawn. It is truly awesome to see an animal like this. Some of our thoughts may be envy, ego or frustration, I just hope all of us realize what we need to do to keep hunting open for everyone to enjoy. That means respecting people's property, not leaving a mess, poaching and follow the guidlines. But that also means not charging people to cross your property to public lands. Buying up open land just to charge people to hunt on it and everything else that comes with greed. Hunting has always been a way for people to come back to their roots and if we continue to abuse it, no matter how big or small our pocket book, we may not have a chance to share the experience with our children. I am already experiencing this as I teach my boys to hunt, with respect and dignity, by all of the lands that are either closed or baught up for greed. Think of this and see what you can do to help the sport, that includes those with both with fat and skinny wallets. Too bad my statements will mostly likely be forgotten after one reads this. I just hope I can stil share the outdoors with my kids!
I'm not sure I understand your logic about disqualifying this bull from the record book.
All current rules of Boone & Crockett, Pope & Young and other organizations allow entry of big game into the record books when killed by Governors, auction or raffle tag hunters (or any other hunter for that matter) who are assisted by professional guides in scouting, locating and hunting their animals.
This is fundamentally no different that your favored "Regular Tag Hunters" who take a half dozen of their own family members, friends and hunting buddies with them into the woods to help them scout, locate and hunt their animals.
What, you want to disqualify them too when brother Bob and Uncle Joe find an elk or deer and sit on it until the "Regular Tag Hunter" gets the phone call, heads to elk camp and shows up to pursue his trophy? Or is this different in your mind?
I'm assuming the only big game you want to qualify for the record books is those harvested by the solo DIY regular tag hunter who has no help or assistance, correct?
Think about it raggey. I'm talking about hunting during the rut with a rifle. Only bow hunters, and the person who buy's the governers tag can do this. Bows vs. guns. Who cares what guides he gets. He's only paying them to tell him where the elk is. If I hunted during the rut with a rifle, I could kill a record book bull EVERY year. That's why they shouldn't be allowed in the books. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
i have never known or evan herd of someone sitting on a animal for someone else to come shoot. you must have some great friends. everyone i know would just shoot it. is there anyone here on this blog that goes out and sits on a animal for there friends for days? this is a real question and i would like to here answers from everyone. how many of us could shoot a monster bull in archery season if we used a gun. everyone. thats not hunting, thats why the seasons are the way they are. guided hunts are diferant, thats why they promise a 90% chance or better of getting a bull. how many of us get that each year. im not saying its wrong, just different. its the differents between real hunters and people shooting . soon all recordswill be held by the rich guys. look at how many records have been broken with gov tags in the last 5 years. AGAIN IM NOT BITTER, I THINK THE ANIMALS ARE AWESOM AND GANGRATS TO THE HUNTERS, BUT I IS JUST NOT THE SAME.
you people are just upset you didnt kill him. my buddy's wife drew the dayton archery bull tag this year and we didnt get mad that the governors tag killed it before we got a chance. that bull was killed on chase mountain about 2 miles from our camp. we wern't mad, she killed a great 350 bull. she missed some that were over 4oo hundred that i got on video. he aint the only big boy out there. quit whining and hunt
To have the opportunity to shoot such a large bull under any circumstances is an accomplishment. If he paid 63K for athat tag and it helps with conservation great. I drew the dayton unit for rifle and am tickled to death. Yeh, I'm a woman and all that but I hunt hard when ever I'm in the field. I've shot several muleys and blktails. None are huge but one muley is out to the ears, perfectly symetrical, and on my wall. I'm proud to say I dragged that deer out of the mountains for 2 hours with my 12 year old daughter, a 17 year old young man from our church and had it hanging in camp ready for my husband to cape for the wall. It will always be a trophy to me. I can't wait to hunt this elk, (t will be my first elk hunt) I hope to shoot something huge but will be satisfied with what I get. It will be the first animal I hunt that my husband will be with me. We have a few daughters that we take hunting also which has made it almost impossible fore him and I to hunt together. Yes he will help me find and hunt this bull but you can be sure I'm packing my share out. That's how I like to hunt so any elk taken that way will be a trophy for me. Yes permit hunting is a great way to have the opportunity to get a large bull cause the general public hasn't shot them all before they reach maturity. Good luck on drawing this tag in the future, I got it with only 5 points and can't wait.
it's a nice bull! but this guy didn't hunt he paid for someone to do all the ground work for him it sounds like from some of the postings? I don't know the hole strory behind this. I agree if he paid with his wallet for this record then fair chase was never in the mix and B&C should not allow this in the rocord books but maybe start a new category for the very wealthy, called look what i bought!
i would like to know the name of the outfitters this guy used?
Hi Guy's,
Just took a look @ the Blue mntn Bull………I grew up in Dayton, and still have family there, I have personally seen bull(s) that size in areas that we hunt ( mostly for deer, 3-point minimum rule and there are some nice bucks there) and yes it is a "spike only" area, with the exception of drawing a cow tag(antler less) or a coveted branch antlered tag…………when I was a kid you could hunt any elk, then it went to permits for cows, and then SPIKE ONLY , that was originally meant to be short term….well that was about 20 yrs. ago………I have never put in for those tags, when they went spike only, I started hunting Idaho, Montana, ……well you get the point. I have some relatives that have put in unsuccessfully for many years…. the drawing odds are nothing short of 'DIVINE INTERVENTION'……….but we always had fun going up in September and doing a little(a Lot ) of bugling……there is usually a good bull taken in there every few years or so…….MY brother in law lives on the south end of town….we were privileged to watch a nice 7×7 bull, and a large 5×5 whitetail buck spend part of their winter just a few hundred yards above his house…..pretty cool………….most people are not aware of this little out of the way place!!….thanks for taken the time to read this, hope the info was helpful and accurate……….Rick!!
P.S. Great place for Blacks(bears I mean)…Good Hunting!!


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