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What's in it for the "experts"?
Beyond the satisfaction of helping others, how should experts be rewarded?
Msg#: 4141623 posted
10:31 am on May 27, 2010
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I've seen a lot of suggestions in various feedback threads relating to the role of "experts" i.e. those with the knowledge and experience to provide the answers to questions posted by others.
Of course, most everyone will be an expert at something, so let's be clear I'm referring here to people with deep subject knowledge in their respective niche within webmastering.
Most of the posts have been focused on how/where these experts would be able/allowed to share their experience, but I've not yet seen any thread addressing the elephant in the room: WHY?
In other words, what is in it for them?
The "friendly" model ("oldbies helping newbies") is pretty ancient, and creaking at the seams. Witness all the long-time posters who are not around any more, and who have taken their tens of thousands of collective years of experience with them.
So what can experts get from WW? What SHOULD they get from WW? Their expertise might command hundreds or thousands of dollars an hour in their day job (or "equivalent dollars" if they're using their skills to further their own successful projects rather than working for someone else) so what's the payoff?
My instinct is that the gratification that comes from helping others not only doesn't go very far these days, but it goes less far than it ever has before.
Why? Simple: if you've been on the web 5, 10, 15 years, you've had the experience of thousands of newbies all asking the same questions again and again. And you've probably done what you've felt is your fair share - indeed probably more than your fair share - of helping out.
Sadly, it's like a waterfall of questions fed from a bottomless pool: you live in hope that one day the cascade will dry to a trickle, but as time wears on and the flow gets stronger and stronger, it dawns on you that there will NEVER be a time when the clamour of voices calling for answers will fade away. Nor, it has to be said, do the questions seem to be getting much "smarter"!
So what can replace this? How can the people who are most valuable be persuaded to share and participate? And how can they be persuaded to STAY?
Msg#: 4141623 posted
10:59 am on May 27, 2010
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As the old oldies leave, new oldies come around. It's cyclical, I don't think anyone needs to incentivize people to post.
Don't focus on the folks that have left - that's ongoing. Look at the new guard. there's a number of excellent and informed posters that have joined here in the last year alone.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
11:46 am on May 27, 2010
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In other words, what is in it for them?
Must there *always* be a "this for that"? I think someone looking for a reward would have moved on long ago.
The "friendly" model ("oldbies helping newbies") is pretty ancient, and creaking at the seams.
Not in my world. Then again, I'm rapidly approaching ancient. Away from WebmasterWorld, I'm a member of some organizations that thrive on this model. Without the newbies, there would be little growth. Without the newbies, there would be little incentive to sit around and listen to each others "war stories". Without the newbies, the traditions would quickly fade away and the organization (any organization) would have served its purpose and would fade away.
Again, my experiences with this are more with other organizations, which is another way to say I don't contribute a heck of a lot here. But within my experiences I hear almost the same thing from every newcomer. I see the same range of expressions - confusion, fear, anger, bubbly enthusiasm - and I deal with each on an individual basis. It doesn't get old. It doesn't take anything away from me - rather it adds to my own experience. To continue learning I must continue to teach, where possible, and to be available always.
There are a handful of people here at WebmasterWorld who were instrumental in helping me with the knowledge I desired. There are many, many more who were helpful in the application of that knowledge. To the exent that WebmasterWorld can maintain the "friendly" model there will likely be many more qualified 'experts' to guide the newcomer.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
12:48 pm on May 27, 2010
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Nobody's an expert in every area. I'm an expert in some areas, but not others. And in yet others I'm in the middle, so I both give and get help in the same forum. What's in it for me is that I know enough and am successful enough to handle almost all aspects of webmastering on my own, when I need help, I can always get it here. And before asking a question here, I always try to answer at least one or two others.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
12:54 pm on May 27, 2010
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AS MBJ says - give help in one's own specialised areas and ask for help in weak areas. I don't believe there are many on this forum who will know everything. The subject matter covered on this forum is broad and the times that I've needed a little guidance, I have also like MBJ tried to give guidance back.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
1:19 pm on May 27, 2010
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I don't know what consists of an "oldie", but I've been around for a couple of years. I go in spurts here - which is typical for any forum I belong to. I'll post frantically for a few weeks, and then disappear for months, and return to do it again :)
I LOVE to help people. I never expect anything in return. Most of the "experts" I've encountered here are the same. The reason I "disappear" is because webmastering - like many others here - is my "day job" and it's what puts food on the table. The clients come first. Many times I get backed up with work so much that I *can't* make it in here. Any forum I belong to (I don't belong to many, you'll see me here and on the WordPress forums mostly) has the same behavior. it's just due to my crazy schedule.
I LOVE it here. This is one of the best forums I've ever belonged to. I've never had an issue with any other posters on this forum, nor the moderators, even when I've had my stuff moderated.
I don't know if that helps at all, and - like I said - I don't know if I qualify as an "oldie" or an "expert", but I do know that I help when I can. I don't know what I'd do without this forum, so I always believe in giving back. The amount you all assist me when I need it is what I get out of it - I don't expect any further "compensation."
Msg#: 4141623 posted
2:05 pm on May 27, 2010
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just posted this elsewhere but it belongs here:
Others have mentioned that many of the top web developers elsewhere put together blogs with comments attached. Why can't WebmasterWorld do that?
have a separate "pro blogs" or whatever section. Get the big guns from this place - we all know the 50 names that probably contribute 50% of the content on here - give them each their own blogs. Perhaps have a blog attached to each forum. So you'll have an Apache blog, an Adsense blog, an Affiliates and Advertising blog, each maintained by the 1-2 recognised experts in that field on WebmasterWorld.
and put sensible advertising on the blogs and share the revenue with the blog authors. Give them the incentive to make the blogs as useful a resource as the forums they moderate or contribute to.
I think this would satisfy a lot of the disquiet people feel about the "overbearing rules" on the forum. Have a freer regime on the blog comments, not anarchy no, but far less stringent rules when it comes to link dropping and naming outside resources.
perhaps this would keep both sides of this argument happy.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
2:20 pm on May 27, 2010
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My point (perhaps too subtle and therefore lost) was that there's been a lot of talk in other threads that seems to "automatically" assume the participation of experts as a "given".
I was simply flagging the fact that it might be a good opportunity to explore ways to encourage/motivate that participation, especially on an ongoing basis. Yes, new experts may come along, but every time somebody with 5-10 years experience leaves for good the community's still losing a valued resource!
Msg#: 4141623 posted
2:30 pm on May 27, 2010
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OK, posting only as a "contributor" and ignoring any WebmasterWorld-related titles...
I'm sure that the motivation for "helping others" varies widely, and I haven't really given it much thought. But one thing that comes immediately to mind is that the best questions are those that "push" the responders' skills to the limit -- questions that challenge and require the responders to delve into something new.
In this way, I'd say that posting answers at WebmasterWorld has given me 80 years' experience in only eight years -- My "bag of tricks" is substantially larger than it would have been without looking into challenges faced by others.
And in the context of my involvement with a substantially code-related forum, it also helps keep my code-inspection and troubleshooting skills sharper.
So in short, replying to questions makes one think about many issues one might not otherwise have looked into, and keeps troubleshooting skills sharper. Those are two really big pluses, IMO. :)
Msg#: 4141623 posted
2:36 pm on May 27, 2010
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Agree 100% with Edwin. There are so many ex-WebmasterWorld experts who have no incentive to post here in 2010, because they spend their time answering the same n00b questions over and again.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
2:38 pm on May 27, 2010
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One type of reward could be...
If you keep the subscription area, you could add some sort of answer rating system, and people with highly rated answers and xx number of posts could get free admission to the subscription area. That way they get something for their dedication and wealth of knowledge and the subscription area gets their expertise as well.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
10:14 pm on May 27, 2010
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There is a second aspect to this. I forget what it's called, but there's a theory in Economics along the lines of an "expert dilemma" which relates to the problem that arises when a subject matter expert who is very well rewarded in their day job for their expertise is providing information voluntarily for free that they would otherwise be charging BIG money for to regular clients.
So long as they're not thinking in time/money equivalent terms, everything's fine.
But as soon as someone offers them (for example) $20 "for their time" as a kindness (and with, it's important to stress, entirely good intentions), the expert is snapped abruptly back to "reality" and wakes up to the fact that the expertise they've been dishing out is worth (on the open market) hundreds or thousands of dollars, rates which they have already demonstrated they can regularly attain.
It's like chatting to your friend who's also an accountant at a dinner party, and slipping in a couple of questions on a specific aspect of tax accounting. So long as you're just chatting and your friend is happy to provide answers, no problem. If you attempt to make some kind of "payment" for the help, there is a risk that they will realise that the same info they just handed over for free over a glass of wine they billed their last client $350/hour for.
So anything to truly incentivise expert participation needs to be put together in such a way that A) they feel a real and tangible benefit (i.e. it can't be a "fake bonus" of some kind) but B) it should not be instantly measurable in $ terms.
For instance, giving free entry to the subscription area, while a valid suggestion, will have the effect of valuing the expert's participation at $169/year or whatever the going rate is. In other words, it's telling them "you're not worth much"!
And if $169 sounds like a lot of money, just think how much it would cost you to sit down one on one with a true expert in SEO, PPC optimization, multivariate testing, etc. and ask them specific questions that will directly improve your bottom line...
So ideas more along the line of giving the experts a way to gently (but effectively) promote the availability of their expertise i.e. their consulting/design/programming/whatever business might be a more effective carrot. Especially if that promotion can only be earned, not bought (an ad that money can't buy...)
Msg#: 4141623 posted
10:46 pm on May 27, 2010
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If you call yourself a webmaster, you a master (or expert) at everything! /s
I don't think there should be an incentive. If I go to the Wordpress boards and see that there are a few topics I can help solve with some free time, I don't expect to be compensated.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
11:18 pm on May 27, 2010
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The incentive to help others shouldn't be provided by WW.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
11:33 pm on May 27, 2010
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Msg#: 4141623 posted
11:54 pm on May 27, 2010
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Experts often get recommendations and referrals from the people they help. I know I make an effort to remember the people that have helped me and send them business if I ever can.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
1:58 am on May 28, 2010
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Most of the posts have been focused on how/where these experts would be able/allowed to share their experience, but I've not yet seen any thread addressing the elephant in the room: WHY?
The information I've gain through this site has completely changed my lifestyle. I've lost thousands of dollars in PPC campaigns, I've owned websites that were a complete flop. But I learned from those mistakes and my success today has exceeded all my expectations.
There are billions of dollars to be made on the web. I don't need billions to be happy, and I'm glad to share that wealth with others. If I can save someone the heartache of losing $10,000 in a week (like I did), then I'm glad to help.
Msg#: 4141623 posted
6:25 am on May 28, 2010
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Fantastic video, that. Thanks nigassma!
Msg#: 4141623 posted
11:55 am on May 28, 2010
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I have a definite growing feeling of responsibility and genuine satisfaction to adding to the quality of resources on the net.
It is also true that a lot of work is available when you become an accepted authority by contributing. So if you�re looking for the commercial gain, it is there.
I feel no encouragement is needed, it�s just basic human interaction and networking.
As jdMorgan asserts, the stuff that gets me going is new challenges.
I like Webmaster World for the discussion, such as:
pontificating over the latest Google changes
throwing in ideas and experience about increasing ecommerce conversions, or
anticipating changes and trends such as how WebmasterWorld should develop or the future of social networking
Horses for courses, but if it challenges an area of your interest then I think you�re likely to post.
The how-to's for newbie�s are a Google search away, so I rarely post for answers or reply to others basic questions. Does that make me bad? ;-)
Msg#: 4141623 posted
8:38 pm on Jun 3, 2010
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Great question.
I'm not an expert of the sort that Edwin is talking about, but I do know enough to help out some newbies and I have posted a lot over the years. I've often asked myself why bother? (and I've taken time away of several months when I just didn't feel like being here).
I forget what it's called, but there's a theory in Economics along the lines of an "expert dilemma"
A nice discussion of this in Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely. He uses the terminology Social Norms versus Market Norms.
Experts often get recommendations and referrals from the people they help.
I've asked a lot of the experts I've met at Pubcon and many moderators if they get any business off WebmasterWorld, and they've all said "little" or "none".
I think it's more like JDMorgan says - and both of us tend toward more technical forums, rather than the more theoretical SEO forums, so that makes us perhaps a little different from the norm here.
What attracts me to a question is:
- when it's something I know cold and can with little effort on my part help someone out. I've gotten some great thank you notes over the years and I really value that.
- when it asks about something I don't really know or understand and it gives me a chance to look into something I've never encountered, but might encounter some day.
- when it asks about something I think I understand, but realize that I would really refine my thinking and my understanding by trying my best to explain it as clearly as possible.
- the desire to be perceived as a contributor and not a freeloader, so that when *I* have a question/problem, I'm likely to get a response. I first started answering questions in the PHP forum for a simple selfish reason: I figured if I could answer some easy questions, that would free up time for the real experts to answer my somewhat harder questions. That paid great dividends.
There's an old saying: "To learn a skill, study it. To master a skill, teach it."
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Burma report lays out road map for reform
Burma is emerging as one of the most promising efforts at democratization in the world today.
That assessment comes from the Asia Society, a policy institute in Washington, D.C. The group's recent report lays out a road map for Burma to complete its successful transition from dictatorship to democracy and free market economy.
The report, published in May, outlines Burma's current state of affairs as well as the challenges and opportunities toward a democratic society.
Suzanne DiMaggio, vice president of global policy programs at the Asia Society, and Priscilla Clapp, former Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Burma and a retired minister counselor in the U.S. Foreign Service, wrote the report.
"After more than half a century of brutal, debilitating military rule, the country is in the process of a calculated top-down course reversal, which has unleashed a bottom-up awakening of political, economic, and civil society activity," they wrote.
Burma is the second-largest country in Southeast Asia, bordered by China, Thailand, India, Laos and Bangladesh.
The military ruled the country from 1962 to 2011. The United Nations and several other organizations reported human rights violations. The military regime officially dissolved in 2011 following a general election in 2010 and a nominally civilian government installed. The military retains enormous influence.
Since the military began relinquishing more of its control over the government, coupled with the 2010 release of Burma's most prominent human rights activist, Aung San Suu Kyi, the country's foreign relationships have improved rapidly, especially with major powers such as the European Union, Japan and the United States.
Trade and other economic sanctions, for example, imposed by the European Union and the United States, have been eased.
Will military influence block progress?
Burma's narrative is evolving in the midst of typical growing pains toward a democratic way of life. Di Maggio and Clapp caution a wait-and-see approach, while identifying major challenges to progress.
"Notwithstanding the progress to date, from now until the next general election in 2015 the country's reform leaders – including former general turned President Thein Sein, parliamentarian and democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi, and speaker of parliament's lower house Thura Shwe Mann – will face a range of challenges that will test their capacity and threaten the durability of the transition," they wrote.
"Among the most urgent priorities are resolving ethnic and sectarian conflicts within [Burma's] diverse society, creating jobs for the vast majority of the population who live in poverty, continuing to transform the role of the military, tackling corruption, and establishing the rule of law."
DiMaggio and Clapp identified key challenges Burma's leaders must confront to sustain the reform process and take advantage of the current state of affairs. Redefining and professionalizing the military's political and economic role is at the top of the list.
"Until the military can be removed from its economic domination of the country, both political reconciliation with minority nationalities and economic development are likely to remain elusive," the authors warned.
Second, they suggest that the judicial branch remains a major weakness in the new government structure.
"This is partly a structural problem, and partly the result of decades of judicial abuse by successive military governments," they said. "These disconnects add to the problem of developing courts that are perceived by the people as capable of delivering justice fairly and establishing the rule of law.
Agenda: Human rights and power sharing
The authors stressed the importance of protecting individual rights in Burma after half a century of repressive military dictatorships.
"There are no legal protections for individual rights, despite the language in Myanmar's 2008 constitution," they wrote. "In fact, all of the rules and regulations adopted since 1962 have focused strictly on security, and they remain on the books, available for security forces to use at their will."
DiMaggio and Clapp warned that Burma and top army generals have yet to make moves to cede or share power with local regions, a crucial compromise that must be reached to assure lasting peace.
"Political transition itself is not enough to achieve ethnic equality; some hard, practical decisions about power sharing – both political and economic, and eventually necessitating constitutional amendment – will be required," they wrote.
Ethnic conflict, political corruption threaten progress
Social and ethnic tolerance is rapidly improving across Burma. However, signs of unrest quake beneath the surface and sometimes escalate into violence.
"Communal violence occurring between Buddhist and Muslim populations is providing fertile ground for small bands of troublemakers to turn local disputes into major conflicts," the authors warned.
Influential Buddhist monk U Wirathu has fueled much of the anti-Muslim sentiment in the predominantly Buddhist country. He is advocating for violence against Muslim Rohingyas, an ethnic and religious minority concentrated in the country's northwest that comprises 5 percent of Burma's population of 60 million people. Wirathu is using religious, nationalist and racist passions as fuel to build himself into a national political figure.
To adequately address the violence, the authors recommend that civilian police must be properly organized and trained to prevent and respond effectively to mobs. At the same time, civil society, religious and government leaders must address intolerance and prejudice urgently and with sustained education and counseling.
The Asia Society analysts also warned that Burma's endemic corruption remains "one of the most serious challenges to the reform process, democratization, and economic liberalization."
Burma's president cannot afford to ignore or delegate dealing with this issue, DiMaggio and Clapp warn.
"Thein Sein will have to play the balancing role between competing factions and interests in the effort to curb corruption," they wrote. "If the level of corruption that exists today is not significantly reduced by 2015, [Burma's] reforms will likely lead to the kind of 'half-baked' democracy we have seen in many other areas of the world."
The analysts credited Burma's leaders with "pressing for rapid and dramatic reforms on a sclerotic system, while civil society is beginning to clamor for responses on the ground."
However, Burma's small and long-embattled professional and middle classes still are "not empowered and lack the capacity to engage in the work needed to address these issues and implement solutions," the authors wrote.
Economic development, natural resources and global cooperation
Burma's government has a long way to go to fully address land and property rights, the authors warn. Local populations remain largely locked out of any say in the apportioning of natural resources to new international investors in the country.
"Despite the passage of a new land law by the parliament, people in [Burma] are still being unfairly displaced by large business and agricultural projects without adequate compensation or means of providing a livelihood. The lack of access to a fair justice system leaves people with no means of redress for displacement," the report said.
"It will be essential to work with local communities affected by development projects to address their needs and avoid having popular protests seriously impede the country's economic development and construction of essential national infrastructure," DiMaggio and Clapp advised.
"In ethnic minority areas, it will be necessary to ensure that proceeds from large resource extraction projects are shared fairly with the local area," they wrote.
Finally, the report warned, "It is likely that the situation on the ground in [Burma] will get messier before it gets better, especially as we begin to see winners and losers in the process."
What should Burma's citizens do to enhance the country's move towards democracy? Share your thoughts in the comment section below.


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I had a few friends in town from New York City a few weeks ago and they really only requested two things in the meal department:
1) A good Tex-Mex dish. (post coming soon)
2) A great brunch dish.
I don't think I disappointed on either, but I thought the brunch dish was especially good. Granted, I'm biased because eggs benedict happens to be one of my favorite things ever.
I rarely order it at restaurants though because I become irrationally irate if it isn't perfect. Luckily, when I make them at home, I can normally pull off a pretty solid version.
For this version, instead of switching up the middle layer between the egg and the bread, I switched up the bread by using a really crispy layer of hash browns!
It was a huge hit.
Hash Brown Benedicts
- 4 large russet potatoes, grated
- 1/4 Cup vegetable oil for cooking hash browns
- 8 large eggs
- 8 slices crispy bacon (or a filling of your choice: spinach, ham, crab, avocado, tomatoes, etc.)
- 1/2 Cup vinegar for poaching eggs
- Salt and pepper
- Hollandaise Sauce:
- 2 large egg yolks
- 3 Tablespoons water
- 1 Teaspoon vinegar
- 1 Teaspoon lemon juice
- 1/2 Teaspoon salt
- 10-12 ounces clarified butter (made from one pound butter)
1) Lay out bacon on a wire rack over a sheet pan. Cook at 350 degrees in the oven for about 20 minutes or until the bacon is really crispy. Remove and turn the oven down to 250 degrees.
2) Grate potatoes and dunk them in ice cold water. Keeping them in water will keep them from discoloring.
3) When ready to cook potatoes, dry them off on a few paper towels. Add to a hot skillet or griddle over medium-high heat with a few Tablespoons of oil. Cook potatoes in batches and as they cook, shape them into 8 bundles. They will take probably 10-12 minutes to get really crispy.
4) Add cooked bundles of hash browns to a sheet pan and store in the warm oven until ready to use.
5) For sauce, mix yolk, water, lemon, salt, and vinegar in a large bowl. Place bowl over simmering water bath. Be sure bowl doesn't touch water.
6) Whisk until egg mixture is frothy and hot. It should at least double in volume and be slightly steaming.
7) Slowly whisk in clarified butter until it forms a smooth sauce. If the sauce gets to thick, add a bit more water and whisk.
8) Poach eggs in water with added vinegar. Cook them for 90-120 seconds.
9) Plate hash browns topped with bacon while eggs cook. Then immediately top with eggs and sauce and serve right away!
Prepping the Base
The thing that can really go wrong with hash browns is discoloration. Potatoes will oxidize really quickly when they are grated and turn this horrible dark purple brown color that is in no way appetizing.
The only way I know of to prevent this is to dunk the hash browns in cold water as soon as you grate them. This will keep them looking nice and fresh.
When you're ready to cook the hash browns, pull out a few handfuls from the water and press them on some paper towels to dry them out. Then add them to a large skillet with a good amount of oil over medium-high heat. They'll hiss and complain for a bit, but that's good.
While the hash browns cook, use a spatula to kind of portion them out into small segments. Ideally, you are looking for eight hash brown chunks if you are serving four people. The hash browns will probably take 10 minutes total to get nice and crispy.
Once they are done, you can put them all on a sheet pan and keep them in a warm (250 degree) oven until you're ready to use them.
The Sauce
In my opinion, there are three tricky parts to making a good benedict: timing, eggs, and sauce. We'll get to the first two in a second, but let's handle the sauce first since I think that's the trickiest of the three.
Hollandaise sauce is a lot like homemade mayo, except instead of oil, we'll use clarified butter. It's also a warm sauce which makes it a bit easier to mix actually, but you run the risk of over-cooking the eggs which isn't good.
There are lots of ways to make this sauce and I'm sure there's an official cooking school way that I don't know. What I do know is that my way works… so whatever.
Start with two egg yolks in a bowl. To this bowl add all your other ingredients except the butter.
Whisk everything together and then put the bowl over a pan with simmering water. You want to be sure that the bottom of the bowl isn't touching the water. You just want it to steam.
Whisk the bowl pretty continuously as the yolk mixture starts to heat up. It'll be a bit runny at this point, but that's fine. Keep whisking for about 3 minutes and eventually your mixture will at least double in size and turn really frothy. This should also be hot to the touch at this point and very lightly steaming.
One common mistake that I've seen people make when they try to make hollandaise is just to melt butter and whisk it in. This might work, but you won't get a great sauce with it because butter is about 20% solids which is going to mess up your sauce.
So, even though it's kind of a pain, if you want to make a really good sauce, you need to clarify your butter before mixing it in with the sauce. I did an entire post on how to clarify butter a year or so ago, so just check that out.
My clarified butter was far from perfect for this version, but it's still way better than just melted butter. I got about 12 ounces of clarified butter out of 1 pound of butter and I used it all for this sauce.
Once your egg mixture is frothy and hot, start slowly whisking in the clarified butter. Start slowly and whisk furiously!
As your butter incorporates, the sauce should get really nice and thick.
It'll be a delicious thing.
You wouldn't want to make hollandaise sauce way before you serve the meal, but it will keep fine for 15-20 minutes. If it cools down, just put it back over the heat and add a few drops of water. It should loosen up and return to a nice hot sauce without a problem.
The Timing
More than any one ingredient, the timing of eggs benedict can throw some people off. This is the general schedule I used for these:
1) Make bacon in oven
2) Cook hash browns (and hold in hot oven)
3) Put large pot of water on to boil for eggs later
4) Make Hollandaise sauce
5) Poach eggs
6) While eggs poach, lay out each plate and make sure your sauce is hot.
7) Plate and serve right away!
Doing this schedule means that the things that are most time sensitive (the eggs and the sauce) are the very last to be prepared.
If you wait more than about five minutes between when the eggs are done and you eat the darn thing, the eggs will be cold and the sauce won't be great. This is why it's a hard dish to pull of in a restaurant.
The Eggs
I haven't talked about poaching eggs yet and that's because I find them to be pretty easy to do honestly. Using this method, I can poach four eggs at a time and have about a 95% success rate with the eggs. (You're bound to lose one occasionally though so have extras ready.)
Get a large pot of water simmering and add about 1/2 cup of plain white vinegar to the water. The acid in the vinegar will make the eggs stick together really nicely.
Give the water a stir with a slotted spoon to create a small whirlpool. Crack the egg in a bowl. Don't crack it straight into the water. Gently pour the egg into the simmering water from the bowl. Do as many as you feel comfortable with. I used to do two at a time, but these days I can handle four. How many also depends on your pot size.
Set a timer for 90 seconds. Once 90 seconds is up, start checking the eggs. Use a slotted spoon to carefully scoop one out and gently poke it. It should feel firm in the white sections and liquid in the yolk. As the eggs finish, move them to a plate with a paper towel to drain slightly.
Top each hash brown and bacon stack with one egg and a good drizzle of sauce.
To be honest, I'm not sure I would recommend the hash brown method if this is your first benedict ever. Stick with the english muffin just because it removes an element of cooking.
But if you're feeling ambitious or an eggs benedict expert, this was a freakin' awesome variation. The potatoes do a great job of sopping up all that delicious sauce and egg mixture. Obviously, if the bacon is too heavy for you, you could use something lighter like tomatoes, spinach, or even crab cakes!
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Jessica Dang and here I thought my little egg & Canadian bacon breakfast sandwiches this morning were good… Hollandaise sauce scares me though… I feel like I would royally screw it up.
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The Duo Dishes Breakfast (and a might good breakfast too) is served. The Hollandaise sauce is always the best part, along with a very runny egg. Pairing it with taters is a good idea.
@papalogic The Hollandaise always gets me, so I will have to go and check out your clarified butter technique before trying this out. Having a small tub of clarified butter in the fridge seems like a good idea too (and so does a tub of duck fat, for that matter). Alternatively, I did see Ghe(eeee) in the store… so that might save some time.
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Nick Yea… it doesn't have to be perfect either. The clarified butter I made for this version wasn't 100% clarified. Anything will be better than just melting butter and whisking it in though. Good luck!
Chris I like that you added in the timing order because that was the hardest part for me the first time I ever made regular eggs benny. Great post, Nick.
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Katie I can vouch that these we so awesome. The runny yoke seeped into the shredded potatoes, but the hash browns remained crispy. Glad we made the blog… I'm feeling famous.
James Fredrick Have you tried Snooze Eatery in Denver? There are several locations in Denver, Fort Collins, and Boulder. They do different styles of eggs benedict and they are all crazy good.
I tried Hollandaise for the first time for your recipe and it turned out well. I am not curious to try out a bit of a twisted Benny like they do at Snooze. You should check out the Benny's they make. I think you will like it a lot.
Lea Ann I'm new to your site and can tell I'm going to love reading your blog. Chris from Nibble me This steered me here due to a hash brown delimna. I'm an Eggs Benedict freak-o and agree with your theory of making them at home as oppossed to risking the non perfect at a Restaurant. Love this version of potatoes and bacon. I'm a new subscriber.


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Doug, I don't know if you'll catch this back, but I don't really differentiate Reps from Dems at this point. They're all a bunch of lousy hackers. If I could, I would just say, "Do over!"
Flipside, I don't know if you'll catch this but I've been offline for a few days My issue with the Republicans is that they aren't creditable anymore on discrete, efficient or limited government. To quote or paraphrase Alan Keyes, a word can't mean the same thing as its opposite and I've just watched Republican legislators spend eight years pumping out money, avoiding accountability and looking for new ways to get the central government involved in individual decisions at the molecule level. I'm not saying I don't want an alternative to Democrats. I'm saying I do.
Sertorius, I couldn't agree more that Keynesian economics and central planning is a bad idea. However, that's not really the issue of this post. The topic at hand is that someone running to be chair of the RNC thought that it was both funny and appropriate to send along a song called "Barack the Magic Negro". This is simply not the same as Democrats mocking Bush for 8 years. If Saltman had sent out a song mocking Barack Obama for his vapidity, his lack of experience, his cult of personality, or his wretched ideas, this would be another matter: in fact, it wouldn't even be news. Publicly calling someone, anyone, a "negro" is, plain and simple, completely unacceptable nowadays. You may disagree, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of the American people find it objectionable. If Republicans wish to be electable, they cannot allow themselves to be perceived as a party of self-identified racists.
I'll have to take issue, Doug. I've not read any of these books that assert intentional lying by Republicans. Especially any of Dr. Bob Woodward's psychoanalytic studies. But if we want to start talking about people with principle and common sense, I say we begin with the ex-Gov. of New York and the soon to be ex-Gov. of Illinois.
Sert, all of Obama's solutions have me leery and skeptical. That said, they are Republican solutions until Jan 20. Whatever the bloggers think, I desire for Republicans never to be elected again so that we can run some people with principle and a measure of horse sense. Democrats probably are on the road to ruin, but Republicans got there first and deserve the worse result for lying about their intentions.
sgw, and Economist writers, you keep confusing your desire for Republicans never to be elected again with reality. Lets see how unelectable republicans are when the Democrats are finished with the economy in 4 years.What does 2009 alone hold for the economy?-collapse of GM and Chevrolet, the resulting unemployment and pension liability issues (eg GM has 90,000 workers and 1 million pensioners/widows receiving benefits)-several states going bankrupt, due to out of control spending-several major cities going bankrupt, same cause-more and more home foreclosures-severe tightening of consumer credit, choking off consumption as a driver for the US and global economy-steep dropoff in student loans-Economic problems leading to political problems instability the world, see Greece, China, RussiaObamas solutions are guaranteed to fail to fix these problems. Green central planning will fail as disastrously as Red central planning. Keynesian stimulus will fail as it did in the US in the 30s and Japan in the 90s. Printing money never works.
Group C's response to such fare as Mr.Shanklin's parody song: "I generally agree with Group A, but I haven't listened to AM radio in years. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer with a 3-hour radio show. Radio personalities with a syndicated program usually have a following, but I'm not one of them. When I've seen Limbaugh in television interviews, he is quite rational - not at all the ranting lunatic he's portrayed to be."My answer to your question, sgw, is this: The attention span of the media/blogoshere is short. Mr. Shanklin's parody song will be history by next week. In 2-year's time, racism will no longer be such a hot-button issue. There will be other things to talk about such as: Where the heck are those three million jobs? Who's running for re-election? Which Democrat incumbent will be booted out of office?
Re: "Offensive" satire vs. "Politically Correct" sensitivity.Group A's response to such fare as Mr. Shanklin's parody song: "Why, it's nothing but a clever send-up of the liberal P.C. silliness. Juvenile, puerile, and crass, I'll admit, but ultimately harmless. In fact, the response from the liberals shows how on-target it is; after eight years of endless Bush parodies, they should take it with good humour."Group B's response to such fare as Mr. Shanklin's parody song: "My goodness, that is shockingly racist! No wonder the Republican party cannot get more than two or three percent of the minority vote, and seem doomed to be a minority party by geographically self-segregating themselves to the former slave states and Appalachia."Questions for the commentariat: Which of these two groups (A or B) are more likely to reflect an ethnically, religiously, and/or culturally diverse population? Which group more accurately reflects the demographic makeup of the United States?N.B.: A good rule of thumb, if you need it: If Mr. Limbaugh is involved with something, and virtually all African Americans think that it's racist, it's probably racist.
The white republican "real America" party being rascist as usual..what's new under the sun.
Pampl, youre right. The brilliant minds of the left are just putting us right-wingers to shame with their plans to print money, enact make-work Keynesian stimulus, and centrally plan the new green economy.Youre right, Economist writer. No opposition party has any hope in the face of these ingenious plans with such sterling historical records of success.
Since so many more people whine about 'the PC police' than actually complain about things they find offensive, I guess being PC is the new being un-PC. That means what I'm about to say may shock and offend you: you'd have to be a real God damn moron to mass mail a song called "Barack the magic negro" while applying for a high profile job.
Party's over, people. Nothing here. Move on.
I totally agree. Me and all my fifth grade buddies thought it was totally hilarious! USA! USA! USA!
By the way Economist writers, if you want to be offended again, listen to Shanklin's take on Barney Frank. Its called "Banking Queen" - to the tune of Dancing Queen. Its absolutely hilarious to people who dont have a political correctness microchip installed in their brains.
Of course not, ontheflipside. The Economist focuses its attacks on people on the right now, even when they are quoting left-wing journalists' own headlines. The real problem is Paul Shanklin (the satirist singer) offended the journalists' sanctimony. Obama isnt allowed to be the object of satire, he is the greatest president ever, his green central planning and Keynesian spending sprees will save the world, and theres no room for belittling this in the slightest.
Are you saying that L.A. Times columnist, David Ehrenstein, invented the "Magic Negro" so either Ken Blackwell or Michael Steele are assured an RNC chairmanship? I think Reid Wilson or perhaps WASHINGTON are inventing a racial mess where none existed. p.s. Goofy gifts are pretty standard stuff at office Christmas parties.
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Price? Meaningless. Look at a good single malt whiskey or scotch. Johnny Walker Blue is around $300 a bottle; "The John Walker" is about $2k. I have had both and I will still take a Jameson 18 year over them because in my soul I love whiskey. I have also had SA Utopias. IMO it is much like whiskey and not much like beer. Personally I would spend the money on something else and get a ticket to a tasting that was offering some. If you are disappointed in it you will not have a ton of cash tied into a bottle and can get something else PLUS not feel slighted; if you like it save up and get a bottle.
I could easily see $15 for a shot...but not a whole bottle. I like Scotch but $99/bottle is my limit there and I only did that once.
I got a bottle for Christmas a few years ago. Definitely agree with the special occasion, had it the following New Years, well worth it...but again, it was a gift. I'm not a hard alcohol fan but JW blue is worth it as well. Got a bottle with my initials etched in it for my brothers wedding. Same idea, great gift and great for special occasions. I'll break it out this Christmas and New Years.
It depends on your level of sophistication. If there are 25 other famous beers you could buy for $5 a bottle that you haven't had yet. Or if there are styles of beers you haven't tried yet, where you can get bottles for a reasonable price. Then there is no reasonable excuse to acquire Utopias except for vanity or prestige. It's like shooting heroin. If you need the next high... and everything else is old-hat... and you need to go bigger... well then there's SA Utopias waiting for you. Just reach out and grab it! But, if you haven't had sours, haven't tried many $20 bottles of beer, haven't scoured the beer aisles for the unusual offerings, etc... then why spend that much cash when there are less treacherous unknown waters to be charted? I get the feeling that when people say there's a beer for connoisseurs, every half-wit dim bulb with $200 burning a hole in his pocket rushes out and buys a bottle because "it's special" and tasting it is a symbol of status. But if you don't really know the difference, all you're really getting for it is a buzz. Hey, if money is not an object to you, go and have your buzz. Idiots, and people with money to burn, do that. It's fine. Connoisseurs do it too... but a poor connoisseur will likely invite 10 other people with and organize a tasting.... people with good palates, even if they can't afford a bottle themselves. In summary, rich people will drink it by the bottle. People of modest means will look for the opportunity to acquire a bottle and arrange a tasting amongst like-minded people for the shear joy of it. And connoisseurs will exhaust other avenues of exploration before bothering to spend such a ridiculous sum. Utopias is a milestone for connoisseurs... but a billboard for nitwits. As proof, consider this: If you were to list your ten favorite beers for under $10 per bottle. And were to ask beer lovers two questions: 1) Have you had Utopias? and 2) Have you had more than 5 beers on my list of ten? Who, of those two groups, do you think is the true connoisseur? And as for the person who answers yes to both... that is probably a very dedicated connoisseur whose opinions I would respect. I remember a friend from high school.. awhile after we graduated, were maybe 19 years old... and he talking about how great Dom Perignon was, how it was far superior to other champagnes. Connoisseur? Or nitwit? You decide. Personally, I've never had Dom. I've been in plenty of situations where it has tempted me. I've been inclined to order it... But I just frankly haven't had enough champagne in my life to know a good one from a great one. So why bother? If I were to order Dom, I'd have 10 other champagnes on hand to taste it against.... so I could really understand what the buzz was about. Otherwise, to me, it would be nothing more than some nice bubbly. Although I'm sure a true connoisseur is reading this thinking they could point me to a few even BETTER champagnes than that! Well, with someone to guide me, maybe I'd learn something and my investment would be justified. Otherwise, I'm just drinking expensive booze. I have organized beer tastings for friends. I've collected a dozen interesting and related bottles and said, "Stop on by, let's do a tasting." but I'm a long ways from needing to spend Utopias money to get a decent education on good beer. However, if a bottle fell into my lap, or if I found several friends eager to throw $10 or $20 down to taste the beer once, I wouldn't hesitate to organize a tasting and chip in the money myself... but I don't need to do that to improve my beer-geek status. The rest of my credentials speak for themselves already.
Also comes down to how much spending money you got rolling around your pocket. If you'd easily drop $250 on a fancy dinner, designer shoes, golf clubs whatever, then go for it. It sure is rare and a great conversation piece. Others might get more mileage on the $80 bottle of scotch and put the rest towards bills. Still others might go with a bottle of Jim Beam and a 6 pack of craft beer and be totally happy.
It's amazing. Buy it and cherish it.
I've had the '08, '10, and '12 Utopias, and IMO the '08 was the best tasting. The '10 needed about a year and a half to smooth out. I just had the '12 a few days ago, and for me it was kind of like boozy maple syrup, much as the '10 was when it was first released. I think that the '12 will also mellow out in a year or so. It's really a matter of personal taste, and your pocketbook. I personally think that if you can afford them, they are worth having or at least tasting.


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I never said that Stosur was popular in the U.S. What I said was,
"some of them know who Stosur is. Apparently you have to either have a baby or beat Serena to be known amongst the masses here."
you only quoted part of that statement. You said that Stosur is more popular than Maria, and Maria is popular in the U.S., so therefor you're implying that Stosur is popular in the U.S.
How in the world is that saying she is popular? You know after she beat Serena, the media beat that to death. Most people I know who don't follow tennis told me that they were shocked that some girl that no one ever heard of beat Serena. They had no clue that she was ranked 7 or 8 or whatever she was before that match. After that match, they knew who she was, even if they only knew her as the girl that beat Serena. I know I said later in that post or another post that the people who knew who Stosur was after that match will probably forget who she is in short time, which is, once again, not implying in any way that I think she is popular here.
As far as people hiding behind bushes to see Sharapova, I guess you missed the thousand times that I said that I'm not talking about tennis fans. If you've read the threads proclaiming Sharapova the biggest tennis icon ever, you would have seen that the argument is that she is extremely popular among non-tennis fans all over the world. I am guessing that the vast majority of people who actually buy tickets to the U.S. Open are tennis fans, and not just celebrity groupies who decided to spend a thousand dollars or more to see Maria from behind a bush. Also, I think there are lots of players who fans awarm around. When I went in 2010, they were stalking Clijsters, but I would never argue that that means that she is the greatest tennis icon in the world and that even non-tennis fans all over the world know who she is.
I think you are right that we have had different experiences, because the people that I know that do not follow tennis have no clue who Sharapova is. My tennis friends of course know who she is, and a few of them are big fans of hers. This might also be affected by the areas of the country we live in, but I'm just guessing on that. I'm in Chicago. Maybe if you're somewhere that has warmer weather year round, more people might play tennis and follow tennis, but again, I'm just guessing. Seriously the only non-tennis person I know who knows who she is only knows her because of a commercial, and when he saw that commercial, he didn't even know she was a tennis player.
Can we just finally end this conversation? I am not ever going to proclaim Sharapova the biggest tennis icon ever, known the world over by non-tennis fans. And I can't help that I think the fact that the FO final ratings were low is some indication that she is not as beloved in the U.S. as many think she is. You are free to disagree with that, and I couldn't care less. But you don't have to twist everything I say - like acting like I said Stosur is so popular in the U.S. - to try to prove a point. We just need to agree to disagree on this.
I think the problem is that we're talking about two different groups of people. I'm talking about casual tennis fans, and you're talking about non-tennis fans. It doesn't matter who non-tennis fans find more popular, because well, they're not watching tennis. From what I've seen, people who watch tennis occasionally almost always know who Maria is.
and BTW, those people going crazy weren't crazy Maria fans. They were just regular tennis fans who came to see Maria because their husbands got them tickets from their tennis clubs.
and I live in Philadelphia so it's very cold here, that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people who play tennis though.
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That President Barack Hussein Obama and his administration are racists has been apparent to all but terminally-devoted Obamaphiles since Day One–and even before Obama took office–yet he and his underlings continue to amaze with their brazen black racist actions and statements.
It's fortunate for America that African-Americans have less than three years left goal to accomplish their ultimate goal.
No slouch himself when it comes to racism, (remember Cambridge police Sgt. Joe Crowley and his defense of the son he never had, Trayvon Martin?), Obama now mostly relies on fellow black racists to serve as his watercarriers.
Perhaps the most viscerally racist member of the administration, Eric Holder arrogantly displayed his sentiments even before his confirmation as A.G., the nation's chief law enforcement officer, when he referred to white people as "a nation of cowards" and subsequently refused to prosecute New Black Panthers in a cut-and-dried, 2008 white-voter intimidation case in Philadelphia.
Holder and his Department further revealed themselves as black racists when it was announced the DoJ would only prosecute white civil rights violators and would not make federal cases of non-white school bullies. His civil rights division was irrefutably exposed for what they are by the highly-reputable former DoJ attorney J. Christian Adams who was never refuted since refutation was impossible.
AG Holder has now taken on what he considers inequities in school disciplinary actions against what he has called, "his people."
It's true that black students have been disciplined, suspended, and expelled at triple the rate of white kids according to government data even though blacks composed only 15% of students in the data collection. Black students, a third of the total number of students, were suspended once, 44% were suspended more than once, and 33% were expelled.
Disregarding the fact that over half of students involved in school-related arrests or referred to local police were Hispanic or black, Holder and his cohorts in Obama's Department of Education have "suggested" to administrators in American public schools that they cease and desist in punishing disruptive black and Hispanic students.
Premising his non-binding recommendations on the very tenuous proposition that "his people" are being discriminated against because of their race–and not because many of them are seemingly incapable of conducting themselves in a civilized manner whether in or outside schools–America's Justice-in-Chief has determined that racism is the fundamental cause of public school disciplinary actions, suspensions, and expulsions.
That thinking is par for the Obamian course. It's tantamount to believing racism in America is still the province of white Americans whereas black Americans gained the upper racist hand five years ago and are now in process of exacting revenge.
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