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PA official: Female dress code at Gaza university 'illegal'
Published Sunday 27/01/2013 (updated) 06/03/2013 12:25
Al-Aqsa University in Gaza City will implement the dress regulations
when the new semester begins. (MaanImages/File)
RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- The Palestinian Authority Minister of Higher Education on Sunday issued an official condemnation over a Gaza university's decision to implement an "Islamic" dress code for female students.
Al-Aqsa University president Salam al-Agha told Ma'an Sunday that the code, which is set to be implemented when the new semester begins, does not require the jilbab (full-length coat) or niqab (face-veil), but rather what he termed dress befitting of the university.
He said students would not be expelled for violations of the dress code.
Ali Jarbawi, PA Minister of Higher Education, issued an official response to the university's announcement, labeling the decision "illegal, and therefore null and unenforceable."
There is no system in place to define what constitutes "modest dress", Jarbawi said, and Article 11 of the Palestinian Basic Law specifically guarantees personal and public freedoms, which would overrule the decision by the Board of Al-Aqsa University.
Although the university enjoys financial, academic and administrative independence, it cannot implement policies which contradict the Basic Law, Jarbawi added.
One third-year student at the university told Ma'an: "If I had known before that the university would impose Islamic dress, I would not have registered here in the beginning."
The university president said the code would be implemented by persuasion, and staff would give lectures on appropriate dress, including loose clothes, long jackets, and wide trousers.
He said 97 percent of female students already dress appropriately, but the dress code was implemented to ensure all students dress properly to avoid attracting male desire.
1 ) Ghassan / Palestine
27/01/2013 19:12
In our Palestinian tradition women & men (especially fellahin) cover their heads by scarf or Kuffiya, It seems that Hamas is unsatisfied for that and wants every Palestinian to cover his/her brain as well. Does Hamas want to transfer Gaza into Talbani's zone. Today is Hijab and tomorrow they will forbid women and girls from attending schools. What about the day after? Who knows?
2 ) pal / us
27/01/2013 19:32
ali jarbawi the enemey of Allah
3 ) Nour / One-State
27/01/2013 19:36
Hamas will not have its backward, 12th century ways forced upon the proud and diverse people of Palestine. A reminder to them that personal freedoms of worship (and by extension - dress code) are not only inherent to the indigenous Palestinian identity but are also universally sanctioned. Basically, Hamas can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
4 ) Marianne / Belgium
27/01/2013 19:38
Sorry, I was teaching at this university and not in Hamas time. Most of the girls were dressed with the jalabiya and the scarf. The one who weren't were usually submit to comments from at least one professor of Coran subjects, a Fatah imam. Some girls who didn't want to dress like that were telling me: "We put the scarf to be in peace in the public space." i don't agree with "laws" on the way to dress but it's more a question of society than a question of party.
5 ) Chanda / Gaza
27/01/2013 20:39
What nonsense !!
6 ) Ghassan / Palestine
27/01/2013 21:25
[Ms Marianne] I agree with you many Muslim girls in Palestine & rest of Arab Home cover their heads in order to avoid any problems from extremists. Unfortunately, Many EUs & USA regimes have supported the Islamic movements in order to fight the unity in Arab Home. See what's going on in Egypt, Iraq, Syria… etc. Unfortunately, western regimes EU & US have transferred the Arab Spring into Islamic Spring. In the past they used to fight the Arab regimes and now they support the Islamic movements :(-
7 ) Mel / USA
27/01/2013 23:54
#6:Ghassan:I agree.EU,UK&my own USG,have played secular & fundamentalist Arab factions(Palestinian & regional)AGAINST each other for DECADES,to block & avoid the one thing neo-colonialists FEAR the most. PAN-ARAB NATIONALISM & UNITY!And when it comes to Arabian ladies making their own intelligent decisions about their mode of dress,that's their RIGHT.They are dignified & respect their DIGNITY.The guys should TRUST them more.UNITE IN NATIONAL trust! Not DIVIDE in petty ideology....AGAIN!
8 ) ian / australia
28/01/2013 00:43
All a bit backward (and illegal) but all that's being asked for is "dress befitting of the university" and no-one will be punished for ignoring it. Not exactly the Taliban. (Doesn't everyone live with dress codes of some kind? And dress to fit in or not?) "...staff would give lectures on appropriate dress, including loose clothes, long jackets, and wide trousers." Lecture all they like but ultimately it's the students who decide what to wear (and it might conflict with traditional Palestinian
9 ) ian / australia
28/01/2013 00:45
(contd.) dress of SpongeBob sweater, head scarf and super tight jeans.) "...the dress code was implemented...to avoid attracting male desire." Could be hard given how cute Palestinians are. What? (Should I be taking this more seriously?)
10 ) saya / finland
28/01/2013 00:52
when we are muslims,we should follow qoran and sunnah and only law that is acceptable is law of God,so the dress code is very clear on that! who doesn`t like islam and doesn`t accept shariah law,maybe should think to go study in west,where you can dress what ever you want!!
11 ) Colin Wright / USA
28/01/2013 00:52
This is a fine thing to not fight about.
12 ) ayyub / New Zealand
28/01/2013 01:07
"the dress code was implemented to ensure all students dress properly to avoid attracting male desire." As a result of this misguided and counterproductive idea, the mind of the young adults is filled with daydreams of exposed skin. Ask them..
13 ) gabi / australia
28/01/2013 01:36
They look very, very attractive and so elegant, but . . .
14 ) What / The
28/01/2013 04:50
Hey could be worse you could be a jewish women and wrar a wig..
15 ) Reader / from Edmonton
28/01/2013 08:48
One uniform for all students.
16 ) charliehebdo / paris
28/01/2013 08:53
the picture yet is showing too much skin
17 ) Charity Clayton / UK
28/01/2013 09:44
This article is unspecific as to what the 'modest dress' might be. However, I can't help wondering why females should be held solely responsible for the purity of thought of a nation?
18 ) mb / mb,gaza
28/01/2013 14:01
1 ) Ghassan / Palestine27/01/2013 19:12 "Today is Hijab and tomorrow they will forbid women and girls from attending schools. What about the day after? Who knows?".... this has been case since when
19 ) Question / Palestine
28/01/2013 17:02
#10: Saya, writing from Finland, so you are a muslim? You live in Finland? If you do, and if you are a muslim, do you wear a hijab in Finland? Do you follow Quran and accept Sharia law as the only law? If you do, why are you living in Finland and not in a muslim country?
20 ) saya / finland
28/01/2013 22:59
al hamdulillah,i`m muslim and from finland,but living in palestine,and where ever i will go i will dress the same and that`s hijab,that`s not my choice,but rule from allah that every muslim must follow,like it or not. you can`t just choose the rules that you like and ignore the others.to be a muslim,isn`t just enough your words,you must prove it also by your actions.
21 ) gabi / australia
29/01/2013 01:33
# 19 - what a hate-filled statement!
22 ) ian / australia
29/01/2013 06:59
#17 "This article is unspecific as to what the 'modest dress' might be. However, I can't help wondering why females should be held solely responsible for the purity of thought of a nation?" Interesting Charity. Girls visiting the Haram al-Sharif or Ibrahim Mosque in Hebron (for eg.) are provided with long white skirts to cover up jeans. (Men in shorts have to drape some bit of fabric to cover legs which is often an improvement.) 'Modest dress' is just nothing too tight or revealing I imagine.
23 ) ian / australia
29/01/2013 07:00
(contd.) Al-Aqsa U. doesn't sound too draconian. Backward societies are often intensely patriarchal. So called "honour killings" result from the deep belief that the purity (virginity, morality) of young women is a "possession" of the male parent, family or group and that it can be tainted causing shame to these "owners"! This uni has a much milder form. Female students, as the "possessions" of the male dominated culture, are held responsible for the effect their dress/appearance has on men!
24 ) ian / australia
29/01/2013 07:01
(contd.) It's primitive, and weird, and places an absurd burden on young women, but it's gradually breaking down.
25 ) Kvetcher / Poland
29/01/2013 07:51
#19 your questions to #10 could be answered by the fact that she / he has the freedom of speech, and the freedom of dress, often not allowed in a Muslim country.
26 ) Nizar / Tanzania
29/01/2013 09:19
Now let PA also declare that honor killing of women is murder and will be treated as such
27 ) southparkbear / usa
01/02/2013 09:01
pay attention, honor comes first. we always hear about palestinians dignity, we can't take that dignity from them. conclusion since it is not banned it is legal
28 ) sylvia / UK
09/02/2013 17:53
Having spent a week in Gaza in November (2012) I can tell you that I didn't
cover my hair (I am not a Muslim) and it was NEVER suggested by anyone
that I should. Also I noticed the freedom to protest - I attended a large
demonstration (several thousand people) in Gaza city in support of the
UN non-member status bid. This was organized by Fatah but Hamas allowed
it to go ahead.
29 ) Maureen / Australia
19/02/2013 22:31
In my opinion, we in the Western world have no right to pass judgement on a request made for women in attending a Gaza uni to follow a certain dress code - the culture of alcohol/violence in among young people in our country is reaching crisis!
30 ) Maryam / Netherlands
22/02/2013 10:43
I agree with @29 wholeheartedly. There is such hatred from the West to what happens in the Middle East, Africa and Asia, as if it is their job to implement their views onto the '3rd world countries'. At the same time the regimes need to pay attention to the whole context of the dress code. It is also written in the Qur'an and Hadith that a man should cover his knees among other things but we never mention the male dress code just that of our sisters!
31 ) clr / .ps
06/03/2013 18:36
@28,29,30.. i dont think u get it
32 ) Anonymous / Gaza
15/05/2013 23:35
Would it then be appropriate for universities to form a dress code that disallows women to come naked? In Islam and the Muslim culture, it is also immodest to wear tight jeans or show the hair. You (the West) have a lower standard of modesty and we have a higher standard. So let us be as we are and follow that which we believe in.
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My site is monetized by adsense revenue and in fact the ads I pay for are in exactly the same category as the ads that run on my site--I aim to break even on adwords advertising in that I pay about as much for a visitor from adwords as I earn from a visitor via adsense (I pay for 5th-6th position ads and then some click through the 1st position, net it balances or I'd stop paying for the traffic). I view that as a way of generating a little extra exposure for my site--if a few of those bookmark me or tell their friends I come out ahead. I actually earn my income on organic traffic (search, referral, or returning).
At any rate, this puts me in a position to compare adsense revenue with adwords costs and I've noticed something interesting. By comparing the exact same time periods this year with last year I can see:
-- My organic traffic has grown 50-60%, great!
-- My adwords ads cost 2x what they used to, and since I refuse to raise my bids that means my CPC traffic has crashed
-- My adsense per click revenue is about 60% of what it used to be, per click
So advertising cost has gone up while advertising revenue has gone down, per click, for the same/similar keywords. Google is taking a very much bigger bite now than they used to.
The net result is my overall income from the site is about the same as it was last year, except that I now have much higher free organic traffic, and much lower paid adwords traffic... I know advertisers are actually paying more (I am one of them!) so google got the difference.
Can't wait to see what others will have to say.
Even so, you don't know what advertisers are actually paying for clicks from your site. That can vary due to smart pricing, the number and type of ad blocks on the page, the range of ads that get matched to your website, etc.
Welcome to the world of big corporate business.
Do no Evil!(and quietly suck more revenue from the middle of the pie)
It is a natural tendency since the begging of time. A middle man will always strive to increase the percentage of their cut.
The effects you are seeing are a result of a much bigger network of advertisers and publishers - but both are not growing equally. Plus budgets are often capped on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. This all leads to the same conclusion:
-CPC will fall - *and continue to fall* for publishers as long as new sites are added -Costs on Adsense will rise.
Lets say you had a budget of $100, $1 per click. And you get 100 clicks out of 125 you could have got. The ads are only appearing on one site. Your budget runs out at about 6pm (probably 7-8pm, but it's only a rough example). Other cheaper bidders take your place. The sole publisher sees a CPC drop later in the evening (But really they don't see it directly, because they only have daily totals). After Google's cut and allowing for lower bids, they may see a CPC of, say, $0.60 for the day
Because of competition, now you have to bid at $2, your budget runs out much earlier. You expect that the publisher gets rougly the same income for the day. However, now imagine if there are now three sites showing the ads instead of 1, the original publisher will now only get a third of the income from that advertiser (assuming same CTR and traffic). The original publisher now gets just 16.6% of the clicks (we'll call it 17). Depending on how many other advertisers are bidding, the CPC may decay quite rapidly during the day - the more sites displaying the ads, the greater the decay. This effect cascades down through the Adsense network and the publisher may get an end result of $0.40 CPC for the day.
They then come here and complain that Google is taking more money...and lot's of people agree that this this is the only possible explanation!
Niche fragmentation by too many publishers in your area.
2 great points of expanding market forces.
But I still think there is some algo pie slicing constantly going on.
As outlined in msg # 3242856 in the thread "Google just disclosed the amount of money given to AdSense partners" ( [webmasterworld.com...] ) the revenue share of the Google earnings report is meaningless because we as publishers do not have enough insight into how this figure is being calculated. It depends on:
- details of special deals Google might have (we don't know) - number of publishers participating in Adsense (we don't know) - individual payouts (we just know our own payouts) - revenue share (we don't know)
You could get to 75% revenue share ("traffic aquisition cost", i.e. money paid to Adsense publishers for running Adsense) two ways:
(case 1) Site A: 100$ Adwords income, 100% revenue share, 100$ revenue for publisher = 100$ accounted to publisher, 0$ to Google Site B: 100$ Adwords income, 50% revenue share, 50$ revenue for publisher = 50$ accounted to publisher, 50$ to Google Total: 200$ Adwords income, 150$ revenue for publishers = 150$ accounted to publishers, 50$ to Google The overall revenue share is 75%
(case 2) Site A: 100$ Adwords income, 75% revenue share, 75$ revenue for publisher = 75$ accounted to publisher, 25$ to Google Site B: 100$ Adwords income, 75% revenue share, 75$ revenue for publisher = 75$ accounted to publisher, 25$ to Google Total: 200$ Adwords income, 150$ revenue for publishers = 150$ accounted to publishers, 50$ to Google The overall revenue share is 75%
You see, the overall figure of 75% does not help estimating the individual revenue share. To Google, the net result is exactly the same (while we certainly both agree that the net result for the publisher differ big time).
Can we now at least conclude that the revenue shar must be at least 50%? No, because we have to account for the size of pie as well:
(case 3) Site A: 100$ Adwords income, 100% revenue share, 100$ revenue for publisher = 100$ accounted to publisher, 0$ to Google Site B: 50$ Adwords income, 25% revenue share, 12.50$ revenue for publisher = 12.50$ accounted to publisher, 37.50$ to Google Total: 150$ Adwords income, 112.50$ revenue for publishers = 112.50$ accounted to publishers, 37.50$ to Google The overall revenue share is 75%
Again, the overall payout has stayed the same (75%), but the shares are very different.
We simply do not know the details behind the figures, so we should try to avoid using this figure ever again to explain the details of Adsense.
There is a much simpler explanation as to why Advertiser costs are going up and Publisher CPC is falling - growing markets.
I also would like to point out that this is about CPC, not earnings. More advertisers mean that inventory is more likely to be filled. So a falling CPC doesn't mean falling income.
It seems to me that more likely explanations would include supply and demand (the dilution effect that was explained earlier in this thread) and "smart pricing."
First, my site is not some made for adsense click farm. I'm an expert in my area and the content is written to educate people on the subject and provide actual answers to questions people have. I don't even run it to earn the adsense revenue (though it's nice to receive), but rather, long-run, to build my reputation.
My site helps people make decisions that involves a fair amount of money--the advertisers on my site are primarily trying to get new customers, and my site is educational, and primarily offers advice to people on how to make this decision. Presumably when they click through they intend to compare the advertisers' offering with what they've learned reading my articles. I would think that makes them high quality clicks.
In terms of empirical evidence 22% of the visitors to my site are repeat customers who bookmarked it, 30% of new visitors browse several articles before clicking off the site, and I receive a couple of emails every day from people saying they appreciated the effort I put in. I've been contacted by advertisers who want to advertise on my site, but I've stuck with Adsense.
In terms of "click arbitrage", first we're talking about just 13% of the traffic on my site that comes from CPC, probably not very significant. Still, they're probably among the best quality--they represent people who were searching for something, found an apparently related article on my site and then clicked off to a related advertiser. Either the article helped them figure out how to make the decision, or it was slightly off topic and they found an ad on my site that was more in line with what they were searching for.
Obviously I don't really know how well my traffic converts for advertisers, because I'm not them, but I'd be pretty surprised if the traffic I'm sending them isn't among the highest quality traffic they're getting. What I'm saying, in this long post, is that I think if anything I probably benefit from smart pricing, if, as I understand it, it's designed to reward high quality sites that deliver high quality traffic. I've seen "made for adsense" sites, the sort that smart pricing should punish, and mine is not one of them.
In the long run I'm not overly bothered by all this. I think that if I keep on producing high quality content I will keep on building up organic traffic. At some point, whether it's via adsense, or via something else, I will find a way to leverage that into something valuable--possibly just by building up a reputation that I translate into non-online advantage. Possibly by monetizing the traffic.
For now it's nice to have the adsense revenue--it adds about 7% to my annual income--but I dont' view adsense as core to my success. I view it as one current method of extracting some value for the work that I've done.
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Sometimes people take comments on "smart pricing" too personally, or misinterpret the meaning (which is actually partly google's fault for poor use of language when describing it).
It's not really about site quality in terms of your visitors. It's about site quality in terms of advertisers as guessed at by google and its algorithm. It's confusing because QS on the adwords side IS partly about user experience re: landing pages.
You're drawing an incorrect conclusion when you talk about the quality of your site and smartpricing, and that you probably "benefit from it". It doesn't really work that way... it's way more complex.
So, what you see could certainly be smartpricing at work, and although you can't see that it "should" be that way, that's likely it.
The descriptions of your site resemble my situation and websites and their focus. I can tell you without a doubt, from looking at the abrupt and fairly regular changes in income, that our sites certainly get smartpriced, then get unsmartpriced, AND, that changes in our EPC/ECPM are also a clear result of adjustments in advertiser behavior.
There's no way to know if there are OTHER variables at play like "improvements" in the ads google serves to your/our specific pages, for example that have happened over the last year or two.
Too many things continue to change to identify only one or two explanatory variables.
2. Smart pricing is more than simply conversion rate. It may also be related to the theme of your site, the content on the specific page where the ad is shown, where your traffic comes from, user behaviour after a clickthrough, etc.
Smart Pricing may have nothing whatsoever to do with your situation, but you could at least look at it rationally. For example, if Smart Pricing works as designed, then a website that has a high degree of repeat traffic and displays ads for infrequently purchased products/services should see its revenues decline over time (as the ROI for advertisers drops due to saturated eyeballs). As another example, if Smart Pricing works, then many websites should see revenue decline as their traffic increases since, beyond a certain point, traffic increases simply mean displaying ads to less qualified prospects.
Since Google is pouring a huge amount of cash into getting data to make Smart Pricing work better, it seems to me it's only sensible to carefully consider it as a factor in any significant change of payout over time.
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Smart pricing is one possible reason for your troubles; I also mentioned supply and demand. But let's talk about click arbitrage for a moment. You say that your site isn't a "click farm," and I'll take your word for it, but it would appear from your initial post that you are buying and selling clicks, even if that doesn't represent the bulk of what you do. So, if Google is using profiling to determine smart pricing and/or revenue splits, it's certainly possible that your click arbitrage (relatively limited though it may be) is working to your disadvantage.
-- I had about 20% returning customers a year ago as well
-- My site is seasonal, so most people haven't been reading it for a good year. Traffic volumes go up 10x this time of year. I really doubt I have stagnating traffic since 9/10 of the site visitors haven't been visiting since last year
-- Point about quality declining with volume is interesting, but I don't think my volume is at a level yet where that would apply. My site probably captures 1% of the available relevant traffic so there's a lot of room to grow before I hit that limit. Traffic volumes have gone up because I moved from page 2 of the relevant keywords to the bottom of page 1 on google search.
-- The supply/demand argument misses the point. If it were supply/demand I would see prices move in the same direction on both the buy and the sell side. I'm seeing prices move in opposite directions.
-- I have every reason to think that my adwords ads are well targetted--they get high CTR's and those CTR's often lead to lengthy site visits (30% view 5 or more articles) meaning people generally find something interesting when they click through
OK, so sure, a lot of things have changed over a year and I can't conclusively prove that this is google taking a bigger chunk, but it SURE does look like it, and I think most of you here are too quick to discount that.
It's okay if someone discounts that. It would be strange not to, given there are many facts we aren't privy to. ;) You could very well be right but there's no way to prove it, and all the other suggestions can be considered equally valid given the lack of certain facts.
And some are too quick to discount the fact that other publishers are reporting increases, which hardly supports the notion that Google is taking a bigger chunk across the board.
Of course, Google could be giving a smaller percentage to some publishers and giving a larger percentage to others, based on its own criteria (e.g., whether the site is using click arbitrage, what type of content the site has, etc.) We just don't know.
If you're seeing a 30% increase in price and your advertisers are seeing a 100% increase in price Google is still taking a bigger bite from you.
I'd like to hear reports from others who have visibility into both sides of the equation, as I do.
I do. But here's the problem. You/we can't take the data from a very small sample of sites relative to the whole, and extrapolate any general conclusions about what google is doing. It simply doesn't work that way, because both adsense and adwords or too complex for us to even get close to knowing even a handful of the variables that would apply to any individual site.
All of these thread that try to explain some limited data (and I've participated in some of them) are really a mug's game. Entertaining perhaps, but absolutely pointless with no utility whatsoever for understanding google, or improving revenue.
I say the same thing when people claim their revenue increases as a result of doing x or y. You cannot extrapolate to any other site, or to the network.
I don't know whether google is taking a bigger share or not. It's essentially unknowable from where we sit.
There is one more scenario that is almost never discussed. Google admitted they lost money on some deals so here is another scenario in which the overall numbers can indeed tell us something about the payouts.
(case 4) Site A: 100$ Adwords income, guaranteed revenue, 150$ revenue for publisher = 150$ accounted to publisher, -50$ to Google Site B: 50$ Adwords income, 25% revenue share, 12.50$ revenue for publisher = 12.50$ accounted to publisher, 37.50$ to Google Total: 150$ Adwords income, 162.50$ revenue for publishers = 162.50$ accounted to publishers, -37.50$ to Google The overall revenue share is NOT 75% yet this number seems to remain constant! How can this be?
I used $150 as a guaranteed payout amount to keep the math simple. We do not know how much they lost so that number could be anything but it is still going to be a loss as Google says. The deals that Google loses money on are huge deals so keep that in mind.
Knowing that Google has a loss on some of the BIG deals where there is a guaranteed payout and the Google overall percentage remains the same where does the money come from? Anyone?
Funny post. Has it occurred to you that it can work BOTH ways?
...that google may lose on same of this "fixed" type contracts, and they may also gain?
PS. You may also want to reflect on exactly how these "sweetheart" deals are actually structured, and determine what you KNOW is true, and what you are guessing MIGHT be the case!
..but...uh...wait. You don't really know, do you?
Actually it has occurred to me. But I cannot make the math work if it did. If Google is paying more than it is making to BOTH the garanteed payout folks and the others that would be a funny post indeed. Please rbacal, or anyone else, show me how to do the math in the BOTH ways scenario and still have an average payout of 75%.
I don't have to know the details nor do I care. All I need to know is what Google has said which is that some have been a loss.
I would really like someone to prove me wrong based on the Google facts. Please, keep trying.
That's kind of obvious. The nature of the deals is critical to your argument -- and for example, it makes a huge difference to the numbers if the agreements are flat rate, percentage, or a combination.
But we don't know. As for making the numbers work, the problem isn't in your numbers, but in your logic, and since you "don't care", I'll leave the explanations to someone else that wants to track through your messages on this topic for like the umpteenth time.
..and it has occured to you that "some might have been a gain"?
(does that give you a hint as to "where the money might come from"?
I like your "Case 4". In fact, when I made my post earlier, I also thought about such a scenario, but was too lazy to work out how it might get to a revenue share of 75%. :-)
The flaw in that case as presented by you is that you assume that Google are actually losing money. At the end, they see a balance of -$37.50 which is not the typical scenario of the earnings reports.
One possible answer to your question - "How can it be still 75%?" - is that Google tries to limit the number of sweetheart deals, and the content network to balance the whole thing off:
(case 4b) Site A: 100$ Adwords income, guaranteed revenue, 150$ revenue for publisher = 150$ accounted to publisher, -50$ to Google Site B: 150$ Adwords income, 25% revenue share, 37.50$ revenue for publisher = 37.50$ accounted to publisher, 112.50$ to Google Total: 250$ Adwords income, 187.50$ revenue for publishers = 187.50$ accounted to publishers, 62.50$ to Google And again, the overall revenue share is 75% (surprise, surprise)
To make the situation even more complex, Google may be pouring money from other sources (marketing budget) to increase the Adwords market. For example, I have seen deals from big hosting companies that offer Adwords vouchers of up to 50 Euro (65$) with each new contract.
Also, Google could be using associated sites like Youtube to "correct" issues as required, acting as "flexible sweetheart deals" if you want.
Sure it has. But as I said, for the umpteenth time, the math doesn't work. To cancel a loss, and still keep the payout percentage as a whole at 75%, Google would have had to collect more than it charged the advertiser OR reduce the payout percentage to others. What's the chances Google will overcharge folks let alone get away with it?
No. It doesn't.
Thanks. That's great. The numbers do not lie. Please explain where my logic is flawed. Please explain how if the numbers are correct and the 'logic' (as you call it) is wrong when it comes from Google themselves.
I'm not making all this up. It is there for you to read in Google's documents. The only thing I am doing is applying the math (which we agree is correct) so please carry on and explain with math, and facts, how I am wrong. The only thing I keep reading is 'what if this or what if that' or 'but some have had a gain' etc.
At the end of the day the math is correct and the data to do the math is straight from Google themselves. No 'what ifs' in my posts.
Actually, I'm not. It is in their 10Q. They lost money and they say it as they should.
Right...which brings the little guy down to a 25% payout which is the basis for these type threads. It's the little guy that gets the shaft to keep the 75% payout number the same :-)
There's one problem with that argument: Not all little guys are getting the shaft, so the question becomes "Why is John Doe getting the shaft when Jane Buck isn't?" Maybe John Doe needs to be looking for reasons that are closer to home.
Getting back to supply and demand (which the OP dismissed earlier in this thread), it's a mistake to assume that the term "supply and demand" refers only to bids. It also refers to inventory. If more publishers are chasing the same number of $1 clicks for "nickel-plated widgets" or "whatsitville hotels," there will be fewer $1 clicks for each publisher.
Still, in the end, John Doe (or the OP, for that matter) can't know what's causing a drop earnings per click. He can experiment and try to find a solution, or he can look for alternative sources of revenue to supplement or replace his declining income from AdSense. But there's one thing we do know: Idle speculation, unsupported allegations, and venting don't pay the bills.
this makes it possible to discount or prove either side
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone because there isn't really enough data
to talk about factors that are possible and may contribute to a possible truth is fine but I don't see any use in getting too entrenched on either side
these threads should be more amicable analysis and less confrontational absolutism
I don't know about that...Google gives enough data to figure it out.
But, I agree that we'll always have two very different sides of the house with this subject so please stick red hot needles in my eyes if I ever get sucked into this topic again :-)


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I was late by 10 days on my period and thought I was pregnant ,I had no cramping pain but on the 11th day I got out of bed and went to toilet and I had black blood coming from the vagina this lasted around 5 hours then it stopped and there was nothing no blood whatsoever until later that evening and it slowly became a dark red.my stomach was bloated before the bleeding and I ate quite alot and still to this day my stomach is bloated and i eat a lot which is abnormal for me,I have had moments where I have felt sick and simetimes been sick also I seem to be tired more often and sleep more This happened last month. Could I be pregnant or is there something else wrong ?
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Thank you for your post.
It is possible that you may have miscarried but if it was last month it may be too late to know. I think it's a good idea to take a pregnancy test to see if you are pregnant nonetheless.
Dark blood is often old blood so this may have come out before the regular red blood that is your period. Take a pregnancy test and since you are still unwell, I think it's a good idea to see a doctor.
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Palestinians wave flags as they celebrate their successful bid to win U.N. statehood recognition in the West Bank city of Ramallah, Sunday, Dec. 2, 2012. The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, not shown, has returned home to a hero's welcome after winning a resounding endorsement for Palestinian independence at the United Nations. Israel on Sunday roundly rejected the United Nations' endorsement of an independent state of Palestine, announcing it would withhold more than $100 million collected for the Palestinian government to pay debts to Israeli companies. (AP Photo/Majdi Mohammed)
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Usually, but not always, the Courant would attribute the source, as in (my emphasis):
HARTFORD - A city man accused of trying to rob the same East Hartford gas station three times last summer, twice successfully, pleaded guilty in Hartford Superior Court Monday as part of a plea bargain in which he faces up to 3 ½ years in prison, the Journal Inquirer reported.
Sometimes, the Courant did not attribute the information. Sometimes it even put a byline of one of its own reporters on the stories, as if it has actually covered the event.
On August 19, Powell wrote the Courant's Graziano a letter, saying the Courant's print and Internet editions have been "misappropriating on a wholesale basis local stories published in the Journal Inquirer."
"While attribution to the JI of the occasional big story we have broken may be welcome, the Courant's frequent use of the JI's work to report ordinary events in the towns in which our circulation overlaps is not welcome - it's theft of copyrighted material and costly to us. Please stop this practice."
On August 29, the JI went public with the dispute with a story headlined:
'At best plagiarism, at worst outright theft,' one newspaper publisher says; Courant covers towns with other papers' reporting
(Note: the links may lead to the JI's pay wall.)
The story also quoted news executives from the Bristol Press and New Britain Herald, (which share an owner), and the Waterbury Republican-American, saying they suspected the same thing.
The same day, Jeffrey Levine, the Courant's "content direct" and a senior vice president, published a statement chalking up the problem to "mistakes" in the paper's new "aggregation policy," which he said was under review.
The problem is that Levine, who didn't return my calls, mischaracterized what the Courant had been doing—it wasn't "aggregation," as he put it in the apology.
People can disagree about what aggregation is. But Levine goes to the trouble of defining it himself—"synopsizing information from other news sources, most commonly by placing a portion of the information on your web site and linking to the original story." But the Courant was just lifting stories and rewriting them.
So, that's a problem. What's more, Levine's note focused entirely on whether the taken information was attributed.
Most importantly, we discovered a mistake in our editing process when we take articles from our website to our print newspaper. We found that we inappropriately dropped the attribution or proper credit and in some cases credited ourselves with a byline to a Courant reporter. Once made aware of this mistake, The Courant took immediate steps to correct the process. It is, and has been, the policy of The Hartford Courant to attribute all information to its proper source.
But the problem is taking what doesn't belong to you. As the JI put it tartly in a headline over a column Powell wrote in response:
Local news is costly, so Courant rips it off
Similarly, Graziano's statement on Thursday speaks only to plagiarism, not to rewriting others' coverage.
There is nothing more sacred to a newspaper than its credibility. It is my responsibility to point out our ethical violations and tell you that this newspapers' staff and I are deeply sorry. We apologize to our readers, competitors and advertisers.
The Courant wants to assure its readers and news staff that we
vigorously subscribe to strict journalistic ethics and to maintaining
and achieving lasting credibility. We know that there is nothing more
important to a newspaper.
Even now, it's far from clear that the paper will stop using others' content.
A Courant spokeswoman last week sent me this statement:
Aggregation online is both legitimate, acceptable and a practice that's been embraced globally. Our mistake was attempting to carry it into print and we have stopped that.
But there's no difference in principle. if one paper collects the facts, does another paper have the right to use them, even with attribution? Even if you don't agree with my answer—no—better to address the issue squarely.
For his part, the JI's Powell says if the Courant keeps it up, the paper will consider legal action.
I don't know how the legal issues will come down, but here are a few observations:
First, disciplining employees for poorly executing a bad policy is preposterous. It is also revealing.
Put it this way, does anyone think individual reporters have anything to gain from "plagiarizing" a three-paragraph story about some obscure event in some tiny town? (UPDATE: See correction below.)


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Neon Play turn one gamers dream into a reality...
Back in 2011, Future and Neon Play launched the Design your own game competition searching for the next big idea for an iPhone game. And now the winning idea has just launched on to Apples App Store!
The champion idea, Rollerhog, was conceived by landlord Patrick Jamison and beat off hundreds of others to win this unique competition. As the name suggests, the new game features a rolling hedgehog, which has to overcome playful obstacles such as pesky rabbits, snapping crocodiles and flowers that must be removed to clear the way. Oli Christie, CEO of Neon Play, says: The Design your own game iPhone competition was tremendous fun for us in the studio. Everyone always claims they have a cool idea for an iPhone app, but Rollerhog is really special its fantastic that weve been able to turn one readers dream into a reality and produce a game that will last forever and hopefully be a roaring success with mobile gamers. Talking of his winning idea, Patrick Jamison says: Its very exciting to win such a fantastic prize. I am a keen gamer, so it is particularly thrilling to able to design a game and see it go from a paper outline to a full-blown app on sale! Rollerhog is available to download for the iPhone and iPad on the App Store now - http://itunes.apple.com/app/rollerhog/id499217397?ls=1&mt=8. |
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It happened one day when I was at my best friends house for a sleep over. Her mom and dad were gone for the weekend, so it was just me, her and her older sister.
We were at the mall in the morning and then went to her house for a dip in the pool. We had only been swimming for a little while when Jill was called in to work. She was bulbed but said that her sister would entertain me while she was gone. I always thought that Jill's sister Stacy was cute but i had never been with a girl so it just didn't seem right to think like that. We were swimming and just playing around a little bit when we got out to lay in the sun for a little while. Stacy had on this hot little bikini that just covered her tits; her nipples were hard and really sticking out. She was so damn hot.
"Can I get you something to drink?" Stacy asked me
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Over the past couple of years, hunting has reached a new peak in our society. The origins of such a movement can be argued, be it a case of eating organic/healthily, a particular nationally famous family known for their facial hair, or just a new trend taking on a different form. Regardless of the cause, hunting is the new in thing. From little kids to adults who have never owned, much less touched a firearm in their lives, the hunting bug is being spread around like a new epidemic. There are those in the hunting community that do not appreciate this, and enjoy the exclusiveness of it. However, most of us are either neutral or excited at the prospect of having another set of ears to talk off, and swap stories with.
I, for one, am excited at the new allure hunting has taken on to those who have not been exposed to it. It's one thing to experience buck fever, but just like a knee ache or an old itch, you get used to it. It's invigorating to see someone new being introduced into the community we call the outdoors as they encounter new feelings and experiences at every corner and turn. That feeling is amplified when you're the direct cause of it! Any father who has taken his son or daughter hunting can relate to this. At the risk of sounding pompous, I enjoy taking on that pseudo-fatherly role when introducing someone to the outdoor life. I feel responsible for their experience as I guide them along their new chosen path. So when I take someone new to the outdoors on one of these little excursions I try to make things as comfortable as possible for them.
Anyone who has tried to squeeze two butts into a one butt ground blind knows that it isn't easy. It's often cramped, uncomfortable, and difficult to maneuver when you finally get a good shot in. Some hunters who have their own land have circumnavigated this problem by building their own custom blinds, but the rest who hunt on leases and/or public land, that isn't exactly an option. RedHead answered that call with their new line up of BlackOut blinds for the 2014-2015 hunting season, and boy did they answer.
The X72, X83, and X300, the first two being respective to their HUB to HUB interior dimensions are the new pop up blinds BlackOut has introduced. Seventy-two inches of roomie space is more than enough for two adult hunters and a Mr. Buddy space heater. The X83 stands a whopping 73 inches tall, and has ample space for one hunter to set up a small camping cot, a space heater, and hunt comfortably. Or, if you aren't into that yuppie style of hunting, and prefer to share the misery with your buddies, three grown men can fit into the spacious ground blind, and mumble and grumble like old times. And the "Big Kahuna" of them all is the X300. With enough room for three grown men to hunt comfortably (4 semi-comfortably) and a 300 degree view of your surroundings, it is by far the most bang for your buck.
All BlackOut blinds are made of a durasheen material to prevent that new-out-of-box glare from giving away your position, and come with an external mat extending seven inches from all sides to help keep out critters, any environmental factors in the immediate vicinity, and retain your scent. All windows are made of shoot-thru mesh, and come with handy cargo pouches on the inside to store all your knick knacks. The entrances to all blinds also have been made larger to accommodate those handicapped or physically disabled hunters. They also come with the brush straps, to add any vegetation or foliage and better blend in with your surroundings. All they need are elevators and blind attendants to hand you your weapon and replace the propane canisters in your Mr. Buddy.
The best feature, which RedHead carried over from their blind model two years ago, is the HUB style set up. This ingenious bit of technology has brought the break-down and set-up time of pop up blinds in half. What used to take two people ten minutes to take down, now only takes one person half that time (5 minutes on average) to set-up and break down. With nifty folding rods, that when locked into place make the install a dream to those hunters who like to move spots, there isn't much to complain about if you follow the instructions correctly (What are instructions?).
All in all, RedHead has out done themselves this year. Their new BlackOut lineup is full of all new gadgets and toys for reasonable prices, from blinds to broadheads, bows and arrows. Shoot, even their chairs and stools are comfortable (I made one my home office chair.) One could easily argue that their products will be up there with Primos and Ameristep, but I don't think either of those brands have breadth of variety that BlackOut has stamped their name on this year. And it's all exclusively sold at Bass Pro Shops! I don't always buy Blackout stuff from Bass Pro Shops, but when I do, it's because that's the only place I can get it .Head to your local (or closest) Bass Pro, or check out their ads in the mail and online. See for yourself all the cool new toys and gadgets. You're going to like them. I guarantee it.


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In a recent talk at Yale SOM, Dean Edward A. Snyder highlighted a column by David Brooks speculating about what's likely to happen as more and more knowledge work becomes automated. Snyder noted that in Brooks's analysis, certain skills are likely to become less valuable (memorization, ability to follow protocol), while others become more valuable ("voracious explanatory drive," "strategic discipline," and ability to drive "loosely bonded teams").
This has far-reaching implications for MBA students considering their future careers, and Snyder pointed to this sentence as being particularly noteworthy: "So a manager who can organize a decentralized network around a clear question, without letting it dissipate or clump, will have enormous value."


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There are quite a few videos on YouTube and elsewhere on the web by now about disassembling the new PS3 UltraSlim. The following one doesn't go very far in terms of disassembly but it's very practical: How to change the Hard Disk Drive in a PS3 '4K series' console.
It appears to be even easier than on a 'fat' PlayStation 3.
In the meantime, we're still waiting for a confirmation whether the (solid state) memory in the new 12GB model can be replaced in the same easy way, i.e. whether it uses the same (SATA) interface.


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It looks like a bog-standard lappy bag, but in actual fact it's an incredibly practical and convenient laptop bag, designed for absolute airport check-in straightforwardness. The people behind the Checkthrough laptop bag must really have a personal detestation for having to remove your laptop for the sake of an x-ray, and they're not alone there. The purpose of this bag is rather obvious now. Skooba Design has designed it so the bag can be screened without having to carry out the immensely irritating task of extracting your precious cargo from its padded lair.
We've been told the bag will be available for purchase late this summer, so fingers crossed this is true – that'll be just in time for my holiday.
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Your fashion sense will be magnified every time you try on this Mastermind crew-neck tee. Everyone will be loving the flame-inspirie Fox head logo.
- Double silicone wash.
- Logo screen print with foil at front.
- Contrast stitch at sleeves and bottom hem.
- 25" Body Length.
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It Takes a Village (of Nanny Tattlers)
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What do I tell other mothers who are trying to tattle on my nanny that I have total confidence in her?
Attachment Parenting, Anxious Parenting
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Should I be concerned that my baby will have different (but loving family) caregivers most days of the week? Will it cause attachment issues in my infant?
How Much Do You Really Pay A Babysitter?
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Seriously, I want a straight answer. Is there a secret formula out there other moms are using?
Daycare Bullies
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I love my daycare provider…but not her kid. What to do when there's a bully in the playgroup.
Can This Daycare Situation Be Saved?
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I'm having second thoughts about our daycare provider. Should I listen to my gut or are my mommy instinct overreacting?
Grandma The Underminer
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My mother-in-law watches my children during the day for free, but it's costing me my sanity!


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quote: good time for Simon considering his height
quote:One of the most important and consistently overlooked measurements at the combine is the first 10 yards of the 40, known as the 10-yard split. This is simply a measurement to see how fast a prospect can cover the first 10 yards of their 40. It's great to see how fast someone can run 40 yards, but how often in an NFL game are players required to cover that distance on one play? A more reasonable measurement, and a better indicator of "football speed," is 10 yards. A "Great" 10-Yard Split Time (1.55 seconds and under) A "Good" 10-Yard Split Time (1.56-1.59) An "Average" 10-Yard Split Time (1.60-1.62) A "Below Average" 10-Yard Split Times (1.63-1.69)
quote:Reid's broad jumo at 11'02 is nasty.
quote:reid and simon probably both break 4.5 at LSU pro day. Everyone always seem to run faster at the pro days.
quote:Ties him for 6th best in Combine HISTORY. ETA: Actually since 2006 which is as far back as the "Top Performers Tracker" goes. That is for all positions.