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My poor labrador has come down with a case of the "itchies". He's especially itchy right on his chest and chews on all of his feet. The vet simply said that dogs get itchy this time of year because the heater's on now and there's really nothing to do, but it's hard to see him always scratching and he seems to be in at least some level of discomfort. He gets regular baths with a shampoo that has aloe vera and we wash his bedding once a month. I've been thinking of using a lemon balm poltice or sweet olive oil on his feet and chest; does anyone have any good ideas? Thank you! |
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- Posted by Daisyduckworth NSWAust (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 03 at 2:24
Sounds like the vet is a bit slack! He ought to have checked for fleas and flea allergies, food allergies, plant allergies, thyroid problems, eczema and other dermatological problems, mange and a host of other things. Get your doggie more thoroughly investigated, have the problem(s) properly diagnosed, THEN think about appropriate treatments. The aloe vera won't hurt, but there usually isn't a lot of the herb in a proprietary shampoo - use the fresh gel instead. Slather it on, daily. That's if he isn't allergic to aloe vera - which some animals and people are! Try bathing him in lavender tea. Very gentle and soothing on the skin, and will help repel fleas too. But first, get him properly checked out. He sounds utterly miserable, poor fellow! |
I have had dogs for many years and have heard of this problem frequently. First stop bath9ing him regularly for noe it is adding to any dry skin problem he is having by drying out the skin more. Then if he doesn't have fleas look at his diet. Are you feeding him commercial dog food? If so he is most likely lacking in proper nutrition. Give him fish oil and oilive oil in his food. My dogs take the fish oil by the capsule (they think it is a cookie) also give him brewers yeast in his food starting with small amounts and gradually giving more until he ia taking a tablespoon a day depending on his size. If he is bigger give him more. This will show results over the next month or so but the bottom line problem is what you feed him Take a good look at this website www.shirley's wellness cafe.com to learn about what is in your pet food and natural alternatives. I did and all of my animals are doing great (ps they have nice shiny coats and skin) |
- Posted by The_Passenger 10 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 03 at 12:34
Could be allergies too. I work at a groomers (I blow dogs. :o)) and for some reason, even the outside dogs were getting severe allergies this year, I thought that it was from the fires in southern Ca. We use ground up oatmeal in some of our doggie shampoos that seem to soothe the skin, when you wash the dog, make sure you condition the fur as well....it will help the little guys keep the oils they need in their fur. |
- Posted by chineseherbs 9 Florida (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 03 at 13:26
check to see if he is straining to poop too. it's very rare, but large dogs can get thier intestines twisted. this happened to my neighbors dog. he was constipated and straining, together with itchy skin for over a month. finally he started vomiting blood due to the obstruction. very sad, they couldn't save him (too much dead intestinal tissue) and he was only 3 years old. |
Chineseherbs...that's so sad! I don't think it's any more difficult for him to go to the bathroom then before, but I'm not sure so I'm terrified! I'll be getting him to the vet very soon, I think, and a different one if our regular vet doesn't have anything else to say. In the meantime I'll try your suggestion of lavender tea, daisyduckworth, though I know he doesn't have fleas or ticks because he's already been checked for that about a week ago, and he's never had them before, but it could still soothe his skin and at least it'll make him smell good! Thank you for all of your help! |
kfgesq has it right on the head. I have recommended the same thing for peoples dogs and cats. Overwashing is bad too. Dont let him go outside for a few hours after bathing him, it will make his skin worse. Does the same thing to people. You can add vitamin E capsules to his diet also. |
The vet said the same thing as before, and so did this new one (who was very expensive!). They checked his stomach and intestines and he doesn't have what chineseherb was describing (they gave me the name of the condition but I've already forgotten it.) He suggested I add vegtable oil to his diet, about a tablespoon a day. It's been a week and that doesn't seem to have helped, and he's started crying sometimes while he's scratching because he's made his skin so raw. I put booties on him to at least keep his nails off his skin. I've introduced vitamin E capsules and brewer's yeast to his food along with the vegatable oil to his normal kibble, which is supposed to be vitamin complete and easy to digest for old dogs; this is not cheap, but if it works it's worth it. He's mostly an inside dog, but he gets walked twice a day and he gets his baths outside because all we have is one standing shower inside; how often should he be getting his baths? How long do you think this new treatment will take to work? I'd really appreciate any help you could give me, this is so sad... Thanks again to everyone who was kind enough to help me so far. |
My dog, a Jack Russell, gets very itchy each year in late winter - early spring, and she would scratch herself raw if I didn't spray her occasionallt with this itch spray. She seems to be relieved of itching for about two hours after the spraying. It can be a temporary relief for him, and will allow the skin to heal. It is called Derma-Pax, Itch Relieving lotion, active ingredient is diphenhydramine hydrochloride (0.5%), produced by RECSEI Laboratories in Goleta, CA 93117. I believe this is their phone number: 1 805 964-2912 BUT THAT"S NOT ALL - I also spray the raw spots or itchy areas with a propolis tincture. That heals all problem areas in 2-3 days. Hope this helps. |
I'm going shopping tomorrow for all that, Krolewna! |
I just remembered one more thing to add to your dog's diet to prevent dry skin is Linatone. It is an oil and vitamins for shiney coats.= available in any pet store. Good luck. Krolewna |
Unfortunately it takes a month or more for the oil and everything to work. You are healing him from the inside out. That is not a fast procedure. But patience will be rewarded. When you have him healed you have to keep giving it to him always, otherwise it will come back. Liantone is a good supplement but works on the same principle. I hope that you are giving him olive oil and not something else. Also I would be interested in knowing what kibble you feed him. Have you looked at the website I recommended. you should you will learn a lot about dogs nutrition and helpful remedies. In the meantime some topical help is necessary as set out above. I have used several things on my dogs topically oil of oregano (expensive but works) collodial silver (heals wounds fast and very well). Try the silver first. good luck |
I was giving him vegtable oil, actually, because that's what the vet recommended. Will that even work? My family is kind of poor so I have to at least try the cheaper things first, but if he needs olive oil I'll give him that instead. Any ideas as to what caused him to develop this condition? Or what it is? I've been to two different vets who both said it was just a little dry skin from the heater and that it would go away in spring? Where can I get Liatone, oil of oregano and collodial silver? Can I make my own oil of oregano with my oregano plants? Thanks! |
Extra virgin olive oil, in the supermarket. Not pure olive oil, no blended olive oil, EXTRA virgin olive oil. Flax oil or fish oil would be good, try the health food store or a cinese grocery or for fish oil capsulesor flax capsles try a pharmacy or health food store. collodial slvr can be purchased at the health food store or go to this website email@example.com. they are less expensive than the health fod store. My opinion as to the cause of the skin condition is that you arefeeding him comercia kibble which is garbage and is well known to cause skin problems amongmany other diseases. Your vet will not tell you that because he doesn't know that unless h is a holistic vet. Go to the shirley's wellness cafe website and see what is in your dogs food and also see what holisitc vets say about that kind of food and what is does to your dog! Read everthing about natural food and products and then tell me what you think. |
I went to the website and did my best; financial sitch won't let me do *everything* suggested, but what I *did* do seems to have worked. He itches less, though still sometimes, but I just put a little of that silver on any raw spots and they seem to go right away! I'm budgeting right now to try and find a way to buy better food for him; that natural food stuff that's human-grade. He does deserve it. Thanks so much! I'll let you know if there's any updates... |
Jitai, I am very happy that it is working. isn't that silver great?! Anyway you don't have to spend a lot of money to feed him natural foods. I give my dogs cicken (raw with carrots or sausage raw with carrots or cabbage or any other veggie. I don't know where youlive but here in NJ i can get on sale chicken breat for 1.99 perpound a "family pack" lasts about a week, that's five buks a week and carrots .49 per pound, cabbage is really cheap..I have three dogs you have one..it's cheap if you shop around. I am sohappy that he s doing well, now get on a raw food diet! he will not have this again and you (and he) will be very happy. If you need more info let me know. |
It's strange that all through this I never thought of just feeding him human-grade food myself instead of buying it as proffessional dog food! And at about five dollars a week, the price couldn't be better! So I can just give him chicken breast and carrots or cabbage? Should I cook the chicken first or anything? About how much do you think a 90lb dog needs to eat? |
DO NOT cook the food. RAW food diet means raw food. I give mine chicken breast or thighs, carrots, cabbage sausage (that's what they prefer now) with carrpots ground up in the food processr. You should also give olive oil, calcium (egg shells ground in food processor) and whatever else comes to hand (lok at shirley's again) a ninety pound dog. Well, my dogs are 28, 24 and 10 pounds and I give them 2 carrots and two sausages morning and nite. so maybe start with 3 sausages and three cxarrots ( ad other stuf) twcw a day and see how it goes. Is he overweight? do introdce this food gradually, mixing maybe one sausage and 1 carrot with 2/3 of his regular food and add more real food and less dog food over a period of two weeks or so. Otherwise he may get diareah or other stomach upsets and you will think the food doesn't work. Anytime you change a dogs food you have to do it gradally. Ok so you are off. Let me know if you need anymore info. |
Thank you fo all your help! he *really* likes the chicken breast and carrots, and I haven't forgot to mix it with his old food for a while. I've never heard of ground egg shells as a source of calcium for dogs before, but what a good idea! |
I am glad he likes it, now remember never to feed him that poison "dog" food again. The same goes for cats. |
- Posted by SprightlyGreen z9 N.O. LA (My Page) on Wed, Feb 25, 04 at 16:45
How's your doggie doing? My dogs love lentil soup! That would be good, inexpensive thing to fix. I'm lazy, so I sometimes give them Progressive Lentil soup, but you could easily cook up a large batch for very little money. Other foods they get: eggs, chicken, tuna in oil, brown rice, green beans, broccoli, salmon. I tried flaxseed oil, but they weren't thrilled with the taste. Feeding them "human food" I think is actually cheaper. My dogs are 13 and 16 and in good health. I give them Ascriptin for pain and glucosamine. A long time ago, I was feeding them Nature's Recipe Vegetarian (Allergy) dog food because my first dog had "flea allergy". The vet didn't believe that she cleared up because of the food, but I experimented and switched her back to "regular" dog food.........and her skin got worse. So try different foods and see what happens. How about getting a humidifier? You could get a good one for $35. |
He's okay, thanks for asking, Sprightly. That's a nice long list of things for me to try! I appreciate all the help. |
- Posted by SprightlyGreen z9 N.O. LA (My Page) on Wed, Feb 25, 04 at 19:31
Just one more thing. A cheap alternative to a humidifier would be to put a bowl of water in the room by the heat source. The water evaporates into the air, adding moisture. |
Oh, I've got a humidifer on all the time. Not to worry. ^_^ |
- Posted by herbalpower (My Page) on Thu, Feb 26, 04 at 21:02
A lack of enzymes have everything to do with the condition of the skin of a dog. |
Thanks to all of you for your help! I ended up taking him to a new vet when the itches came back, and we found out that he had developed a skin problem! Now I'm using special shampoo and the new diet, since the vet says the shampoo will help his skin and the fresh chicken and veggies will help him to live longer and be stronger and happier, not to mention having more energy! Thanks again! |
And just as a follow-up: he's not just getting fresh chicken and veggies, he also sometimes gets lentil soup, brown rice, flaxseed oil (he likes it!) and and finely ground eggshells, though I keep a list of all food suggestions on the grocery list and look for when any of it is on sale. It's not as cheap as dog food was, since were were getting value packs, but it's worth it to see him happy again. |
It may be he's got a corn allergy. At least, that's the one I often see mentioned elsewhere. Have you tried a "lamb and rice" formula dog food? |
He was on "lamb and rice" before the problem started, but thanks for trying to help. |
Feeding your dog human grade food is great. I have all my pets on human grade food. After both of my dogs developed horrible skin problems (Looked like mange)from there purina / pedigree diet. They had lost there hair, had open wounds from licking and scratching 24/7 and were just misserable. I took the dogs to there regular doctor he gave them advantage. ($250) Didnt help. What a waist of money. I went to my cats doctor she gave them a skin scape to check for mange, ran blood tests, fecal tests. Nothing showed up.They didnt even have one flee on them. She said give them baths with this special shampoo, revolution, benydryl and linolic oil and or olive oil and steriod cream.. Extreamly expensive (over $900 for both) but helped a little. I couldnt afford this for them for the rest of there life. I swiched there diet to 100% human grade dog food (canidae)for dogs (felinade) cats and supplimented with fruits veggies and meat. They were 100% better the first month and only got better. They haven't had problems since. I do make sure that they dont get onions or garlic or grapes / raisins and a few other things on the do not feed list. I can post it if anyone wants it. I can't tell you enough how much happier they are and my cat who was 16 pounds lost 5.5 pounds and is no longer obese from eating healthier. leslie |
What a wonderfully encouraging success story, Leslie! |
something to note ... just becuase a dog food says lamb and rice doesn't mean that it doesn't have corn or wheat in it. be sure to read the lable. if you have access to a Costco -- they have a WONDERFUL Kirkland brand dog food Lamb and Rice. It is acutally the Diamond dog food Lamb and Rice relabeled for Costco. All natural .. My lab had terrible skin allergies due to enivironmental and food products. This food helped SO much. It saved her from itching all the time. I also started to add flax seed and fish oil to her meals. What a difference that made. My dog literally feels like a Gund stuff animal her coat is SO shiney and soft. The best thing to cuddle with =) Most people don't realize that commerical dog foods are just CRAP! They cause many issues in dogs that don't surface for years. I also add garlic and rosemary to my pups food to help with the immune system. She also gets a tablespoon of pumpkin once a day for the fiber .. plus it makes yard clean up easier since the oils can encourage runny poos ... I want to say that discovering a diet that cured most all her issues took years. But life is much better now ... No more antihistamines in the summer months to prevent her from getting a staph infection from scratching .. no more ear infections and most of all ... she barely ever scrathes anymore! best of luck! |
kirkland brand dog food, lamb and rice, from costco. that's what he was on before i changed to raw foods. i'm glad it worked in your case, but i guess it's just not for everyone. thanks |
I am glad the BARF diet is working for you ... it is something I considered .... I had a hard time making the transition. How excately did you make it ? You started to add the raw to your dogs dry food ? Adding more and more each day? |
After Bathing with a good moisturising shampoo brush using a brush with nodes on the end to stimulate blood flow to the skin. It could also be MANIC itch which some animals get if they are bored. Lab's are inteligent dogs and need to be keep active as they are prone to being lazy and putting on the pounds(Kilo's). bon chance Richard |
- Posted by Petsitterbarb Zone 6, N.E. OK (My Page) on Sun, Jun 6, 04 at 22:49
Glad to see that food allergies are being so well addressed with these posts. Do some online searches and learn about how to select a GOOD dog food, and learn to read those labels! Premium foods are the way to go, too. I'm currently feeding "Chicken Soup For the Dog Lover's Soul", which is on the "Top Foods" list of The Whole Dog Journal. Read those labels!!! BTW, the vet I used to work for always recommended putting a little bacon grease in the food to help dry skin. Much less expensive than Linatone, and the dogs just love it. Grass allergies are VERY common, too. If your vet can't help you, for Heaven's sake try another vet. There are good vets and bad vets, just like every profession. Good luck!!! |
- Posted by Traute_Biogardener 2/3 MB (My Page) on Mon, Jun 7, 04 at 5:33
I would find myself a new vet. Many vets nowadays use natural remedies for pets. Ask around. |
The above-mentioned treatments have worked very well for Molly, our older Lab, who gets very dry skin every summer from sneaking into the swimming pool all the time. (No, she's never unsupervised. She'll be out in the yard with one or more of us gardening, and then she'll wander off and a few seconds later you hear the splashing. Her favorite trick is to swim out to the foam floating lounger and climb up on it to sunbathe...!) We add a few tablespoons of olive oil to her food, put Vitamin E on any hot spots she gets, and put oatmeal conditioner on after she goes in the pool, and she does just fine. Barbapapa - I'd be interested in reading that food list. Mo and Finn (my dogs) do very well on Nutro Ultra with a generous supplement of fruits and veggies, but I'd love to find out how an all-human-food diet stacks up. I'm also interested for a friend's dog (see below). Occasionally, though, you get a dog who has honest-to-God allergies and the only option is medication. A friend of mine has a Lab/springer mix who's had allergies just about every day of her life. (I dog-sit for her regularly - we joke that it's because between my parents and I, we're the next best thing to an ICU.) At last count, Zoe is allergic to dust, pet dander, pollen, grass, mold and insect stings, doesn't do well with vaccinations, and has bad reactions to any and all household cleaners. In the diet department, she's allergic to wheat products, corn products, most fruits and vegetables, chicken, beef, lamb, fish, venison, rice, barley, etc. Raw or cooked doesn't matter. (I gave her a piece of twelve-grain bread one time and she went into anaphylaxis. Thank God for Epi-Pens. Another time she developed a hot spot the size of my hand, which grew MRSA.) She starts a new diet and appears to be doing fine, and then a few months later it's giving her skin problems, respiratory problems and diarrhea. Right now she's on duck and potato, has been for about five months, and it's just now starting again. The vet finally got her semi-stabilized on prednisone and Atarax, but that comes with its own set of problems, and it also pretty much precludes BARF because the steroids suppress her immune function - she catches every bug in the book as it is, and nobody wants to see her get salmonella or E. coli from raw meat. If there's another diet or therapy she can try, I'd love to hear about it. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Sun, Apr 10, 05 at 7:31
oh, poor Zoe! I'm glad you bumped this thread up to the top, cuz our dog has terrible itching right now and the vets (plural) we've seen have given very little advice. They just give him a shot of prednisone every couple of months (which means we can't give the poor dude aspirin for his hip dysplasia), sell us a medicated shampoo and that's it. Pitiful. |
Poor guy. Prednisone is heavy duty stuff; although it does work wonders in relieving allergic and inflammatory conditions, its side-effect profile is not good (kidney problems and changes in liver and pancreas function are just the start) and it can be difficult to dose properly. (Our former vet tried putting Mo on oral prednisone for her swimming pool itchies. A month later, after she started peeing every three minutes and losing her fur, we dumped both the pills and the vet.) If it were my dog, I'd have a long talk with the vet about other options before using it again. Another option you might try for your guy's itching is diphenhydramine (Benadryl), 12.5 mg per 30 lb of body weight, once daily. It's also safe to use with aspirin. As for the hip issues, most vets now recommend a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement on top of aspirin or a prescription NSAID. Cosequin is one of the more popular vet formulations, but we get the once-daily human tablets from Trader Joe's and they work just as well - more so if you have a large dog, because you're not trying to feed half a dozen pills a day. (Cosequin DS, the version they usually recommend for big dogs, is 500 mg per tablet, and the dosage is 500 mg per 25 lbs of body weight. The TJ's supplement, on the other hand, is 1500 mg per tablet, so unless your dog is over 100 lbs, you're covered.) Hope this helps! |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Sun, Apr 10, 05 at 22:38
The benadryl doesn't seem to help much. And his store-bought food is supposed to have glucosamine/chondroitin in it, but I can't tell how many mg he's getting based on the labelling. We try to give him aspirin frequently (enteric-coated so that it dissolves in his intestines instead of stomach). I think we're going to have to try putting him on a BARF diet. Bruno would purely adore a BARF diet. Convincing my DH is the hard part. ALTHOUGH. We've been battling a severe flea infestation (3 cats, as well). This is probably half of Bruno's itching problems, but he had itching before the flea problem. This just aggravated it beyond endurance. As much as we've spent on chemicals, sprays, foggers, Advantage, Frontline & drugs for poor Bruno's allergic dermatitis this past couple of months, it might be easier to convince DH that a BARF diet for all the animals might be considerably cheaper in the long run.... At the VERY least, we'll be getting him some flax seed oil, fish oil, and brewer's yeast. I need flax seed oil and fish oil for myself anyway! I don't know if it's possible to overdose him on glucosamine/chondroitin (and what do you know, I need it too).... so I may wait on that until we switch him off this food (Kirkland's lamb and rice with glucosamine/chondroitin). The poor guy is so miserable. |
If you decide to feed any home-cooked diet you must be sure that it is a balanced diet which meets all of the nutritional requirements for your dog. If it is not then you quite possibly may be creating different problems. Please make sure you thoroughly research all aspects of this course of action or anything you do. I prefer to give the same supplements for glucosamine/chrondrotin that I take rather than in a food so that I know both the quality and how much they are getting. You probably will have to experiment to find the right product - Glycoflex used to work for two of the dogs but not my agility girl. I also give them 500mg of vitamin C in with their morning and evening meals. When I cut it back to 1 tab a day they started showing limping from the djd in the shoulder. Kate is 11 and still competing successfully jumping 20". Here is a recipe to supplement a commercial diet if you would like to try it. 4 oz tofu The tofu can be fried in olive oil (I don't - I add olive oil to the mixture)and the other vegetables (certainly the carrots) can be lightly cooked if you desire to help in their digestability. Use this to make up 1/3 of the total diet (reducing the commercial food by 1/3). When I make this I process it thoroughly in the food processor and it freezes very well. This is from Professor Clemmons an integrated vet medicine vet at the Univ. of Florida from a seminar in 2000. There is also a recipe for the whole diet rather than a supplement but it's a little long unless any one is definately interested. The dosage of vitamin C he recommended to start with is around 25 mg/kg twice a day. Watch for diarrhea as that is a sign that you need to cut back the dosage. He also recommeneded Vit E which of course is an antioxidant and also is supposed to "potentiate" the effect of the Vit. C. I give our 49# dog 400 mg a day and the 32# one 200. Preventative levels would be around 10-20 IU/kg. according to the notes I have. For fish oil he says to try 10-15 mg/kg, or 1 T of ground flax seed, or 2 sardines every day. He likes the ground flax or sardines because they may be fresher than the capsules. Kate likes the fish oil capsules I take and chews them right up - completely grossing me out every time. Good luck with finding the solution that works for you. I know it can be a long frustrating effort. TJ itches if a flea walks down the other side of the road and his hobby is making hot spots. For those, by the way, a damp tea bag used as a compress is good as the tannic acid will dry it. Domeboro solution from the drug store is also very good as a wet compress. When I used either one I would make him lie there for 10 - 15 minutes while I applied it. You may be able to find a vet who practices integrative medicine - if so that can work wonders and if you're lucky (as we were) it may be a lot cheaper. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Wed, Apr 13, 05 at 2:52
yum that recipe sounds good! :-) Yeah, I like the idea of the sardines better too. It's impossible (well for me, anyway) to tell if fish oil capsules are still good... Sounds like dog nutrition is very similar to human! I'm trying to do the homework but there's so much data to sift through! ugh. << just a tad frustrated tonight, it'll pass by tomorrow. |
DO NOT give your dogs steroids!!! Go to a homeopathic vet and get them OFF drugs and onto a natural healing lifestyle. DO NOT feed them commercial dog food (kibble) it will kill them. Feed them raw food, grains, fruits and veggies. Do buy Dr. Pitcarin's natural pet health book. RAW food not commercial garbage is the key! once they are acclimated to it the other problems will resolve themselves. If they have arthritis chondrotine and glousime supplements are great. But the bottom line is the food. NOT drugs like steroids. Go to Shirley's wellness cafe. com and READ!!!!!! |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 16:33
I hear ya. We've started to gradually move him towards a better diet. He's nowhere near the detox phase yet. We have to go slowly though cuz he also has a very touchy digestive system and it doesn't take much to give him diarrhea. Poor guy. |
of course you have to wean him slowly and introduce the new food slowly. Try giving him acidopholous for the diarrhea. Get some capsules and give him two or three or four and the diarrhea should stop. it works for me and my pets. Then get him to a homeopath |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 17:44
ahhh acidophilus! isn't that for yeast infections, usually? How you find a homeopathic vet? |
acidopholous has many applications, dfiareah is one of them. try looking at www.alternativesforanimals.com for a holisitic vet in your area. |
- Posted by patchesgizmo z4 MN (My Page) on Tue, Apr 19, 05 at 13:10
I have a dog that does this with his eyes, I feed him dog vitamins making sure he gets the ones with vitamin D & E in it. Also I try my best to get dog food that has the least amount of corn products possible on the list. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Tue, Apr 19, 05 at 16:15
thank you thank you! |
homeopathy is a miracle! go there! |
- Posted by Catcanski 9/Tx (email@example.com) on Thu, Apr 21, 05 at 22:57
Hi, I'm new here, but have been reading this thread since my Shi Tzu has been going through a tough time w/scratching. I've done just about everything, foods, oils, shots, Benedryl, etc. I asked my vet about the raw diet and started all three dogs on it this past Saturday. My vet said to just go right into it, unfortunately, after the third day, two dogs have a LOT of diarherra, and the third's not even interested in eating (it's been two days). Any ideas, cause I'm ready to go back to Science Diet since they're not too keen on the raw foods. I REALLY appreciate any help. Thanks. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Fri, Apr 22, 05 at 4:27
When I did some reading up on it on the web, I recall a suggestion about easing them into it--to avoid the full-on detox mode, with all it's diarrhea. Our Bruno has such a touchy bowel, that I don't dare change him over too fast. So he's still on olive oil, bits of fruits when we're eating them and we just added a chicken wing a day. He thinks he's in heaven. And the cats are jealous (I'm not ready to switch them yet). I have to protect him from them. It'll be even worse when we start adding some fish every day! |
you are exactly right thorsippi you can't just turn them right over has to be done gradually. awww poor cats. give them some real food. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Sat, Apr 23, 05 at 5:33
:-) They all come up on my lap to sniff whatever I'm eating just in case they want some... *sigh* and they usually get some. But pretty Little Boy is extremely fussy. He almost never wants to eat it. Just sniff it. And yet, he's the one I caught eating the Easter Lily (first and only one ever to enter my house), who then spent 2 nights in the hospital at $400.... The shaved spot on his leg hasn't even grown back yet. Now that I think about it, he's going to be the one to be most difficult to switch to a natural diet. The other two fat little piggies will have no such troubles. |
- Posted by Catcanski z9/Tx (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Sun, Apr 24, 05 at 10:46
Hi all, well, I tried it for seven days. Right now my already skinny Yorkie won't eat anything, she won't even touch peanut butter (I use it for giving meds). So between diarrhea and the dogs not wanting to eat, even their Science Diet, rice and yogurt, I'm going back to the vet and back on Science Diet. I should've just stuck with the commercial food, shots and did like before, it half-way worked. I'm glad the raw diet works for you all, but this isn't worth my dogs' health or their happiness. Thank you for you time and input. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Mon, Apr 25, 05 at 4:16
Well you can always try again later, if you choose to, but next time PLEASE EASE them into it very SLOWLY! Incidentally, that's what you're supposed to do even if you're simply changing brands. Which is why I question a vet's motive if he didn't advise going slowly. |
- Posted by Catcanski z9/Tx (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Mon, Apr 25, 05 at 14:56
One last question though. If the 'good/expensive' dog foods are so bad for the dogs, why would it matter if the chicken and meats are raw, cooked meats would still be a better alternative than the commercial stuff and I think it would be better tasting to them too, not to mention the germs and parasites being killed off in the process of cooking. Reason why I ask is that almost all the dog books I've read state to never ever give raw meat let alone raw chicken bones to any dog. Just came back from the vet, $150 lighter (X-rays, meds, office visit) due to my Yorkie bleeding from straining to go to the bathroom all day and night, not eating and just lethargic. I think I'm going to get them back on their usual food, get them normalized, then GRADUALLY put them on the raw diet. I did notice, maybe coincidence, that my Shi Tzu's skin 'seemed' a little less dry in the few days they were on it. Thanks for all the input. |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Mon, Apr 25, 05 at 16:38
well, then again, we battle over what's the best human diet too. Low carb, vegetarian, low fat, macrobiotic, paleolithic, organically-grown, genetically-modified-produce, etc etc... I don't think we'll have a definitive answer in my lifetime! :-) In the end, we each have to make our own decisions and try to move cautiously. So I don't know for a fact that a raw food diet will help my dog or not. It might take up to a year to see any real changes. And each year, he gets older. So....? So all I "know," really, is what I've learned from studying paleolithic diets. And since we've domesticated dogs for thousands of years, they're probably selected for a diet similar to our ideal diet, but more meat and bones and no grains at all. One other note: I've read that *cooked* chicken bones splinter, but raw ones don't. Makes sense to me. Many predators eat birds and don't die from it. |
- Posted by Catcanski z9/Tx (email@example.com) on Tue, Apr 26, 05 at 16:24
I understand that the cooked bones do splinter, but if I were to give them just cooked meats and supplemented w/ calcium since they're not getting the bones. My big fear earlier this week was that a bone had gotten lodged in or torn the intestinal tract, causing the bleeding and straining. It wasn't a good time for either of us. I haven't given up completely yet, 'Kfgesq' has been EXTREMELY helpful through this whole ordeal. We're going to get these dogs healthy, somehow. |
- Posted by flowersandthings MidAtlantic 6/7 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 26, 05 at 16:48
Put as simply as possible his itchiness may be food allergies first put him on lamb and rice formula or formula for allergenic "itchy" dogs..... next look around at the chemicals in your house.... do you use alot of things like carpet cleaner that he sleeps on? If so switch to natural cleansers.... next look at the time of year pollen etc. can also bother a dogs sinuses and skin like a human but skin sometimes even more because it lays under his coat..... give him frequent bathes in GENTLE oatmeal, aloe and or tar shampoo.... you can also put him in an oatmeal bath if you can get him to sit there.... tea trea shampoo may also help in the way of infections and an apple cier (weak gentle) rinse can also help.... he may have a "yeast" infection in his skin especially if he has a dense or long coat.... in this case wash with tea tree oil and apple cider vinegar and take to the vet because he may need medication.... and as mentioned it could also be lack of omega fatty acids get a dog food claiming to contain it or the liquid you pour over his food or capsules.... (i.e. containing things like evening primrose, flax, borage etc.) :) |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Tue, Apr 26, 05 at 20:14
Catcanski: We're going to get these dogs healthy, somehow. I sure do hope so. My poor Bruno just seems so miserable. flowersandthings: Bruno's been on Kirkland Lamb and Rice with Glucosamine/Chondroitin for at least 3 years now, and .... poor guy. Itch itch itch. My husband runs a janitorial service, so we do have lots of icky chemicals around, but we only scrub our tile floor about twice a year. with a "neutral" cleaner. And we only clean our carpet about twice a year, too. He usually has a very dense long coat, but we had him shaved not too long ago, so his hair is only about 1" long right now. We hoped it would make it easier for his skin to heal, but he's scratching almost as much as before. We've started him on the road towards a raw food diet (oil on his food and a chicken wing daily), but we have to go slow for him. We've tried the oatmeal shampoo. I usually despise the scent of tea tree oil, but if it would make him more comfortable, then I'll cope with it. Flax seed oil is on my grocery list (for myself too), but we haven't actually made it Trader Joes in awhile. I've wondered several times if he has a yeast infection (I have some personal experience with that), but wasn't sure exactly how to treat it when it's on his *skin*. The vets we've seen all recommend prednisone shots. grrr. Haven't seen the homeopathic vet yet. Gathering a budget for that. |
- Posted by flowersandthings MidAtlantic 6/7 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 28, 05 at 0:25
Thorspippi remember the info about chemical home cleaning solutions.... that could be bothering him and also try the apple cider (apple cider vinegar and water) with a few drops of tea tree oil..... wash him with anti itch shampoo then rinse with this..... let really soak in then rinse out.... this normalizes ph and can also help with "yeast" infections.... |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Thu, Apr 28, 05 at 4:03
Yeah, I wish DH would ditch the chemicals in favor of Greener Cleaners, but customers still demand the noxious ones. They don't think it's clean unless it stinks. *shrug*. We both sneeze and cough and hack, too. Can't tell what the cause is cuz there's SO MANY possiblities. That vinegar/tea tree oil thing sounds good to me. I've wondered if there was a yeast thing involved here. I've had some personal experience with that and know exactly how miserable that can be. If it *is* a yeast thing... and until we get him switched completely over to a BARF diet (low on carbs), is there anything else I can do for him, systemically? Yogurt, maybe? Does yogurt cause diarrhea like milk might? Him and his touchy bowel, ya know. I don't know if a dog's internal fauna is the same as ours. |
- Posted by Catcanski z9/Tx (email@example.com) on Thu, Apr 28, 05 at 10:01
Hi all, I've tried the tea tree oil on our Shi Tzu's hot spots and for some reason he gets 'whoozy' and acts kinda 'off' for a while after applying it. Yogurt is great for the dogs and our love it, especially the blueberry. Right now they're diarheaa free and I've been hand feeding them veggies, some raw meat (very little at this time), cooked chicken livers (they hated them raw) and some of their regular food. So far so good. I'm hoping that within a few weeks of this I can get them completely switched over. One last question though, the fleas here are getting crazy, does anybody know what's the best way, or form, of getting garlic and brewer's yeast into the pooches to help ward off the little critters? Once again, thanks. |
You can sprinkle the brewers yeast on their food and the garlic too if they will eat it. there are also some pills that contain garlic and brewers yeast out htere. my dogs love them they think they are cookies. Thorsippi and flowersand things hot spots can be cured very rapidly with collodial silver. I am sure the reason your dogs are itching is the food. raw diet raw diet. Cooked diets are nice for people but dogs have a different nutritional requirement. DO NOT feed cooked bones. Please try the collodial silver on the hot spots. Yogurt is great for dogs, does not give them diareah as a matter of fact the opposite. Neither does milk by the way read Dr. Pitcairn's book as soon as you can. |
- Posted by Catcanski z9/Tx (email@example.com) on Sun, May 8, 05 at 23:44
Yeah! We've switched over. No more commercial food, AND no more diarhea. Just for the heck of it I left some Science Diet in their dish, it's been in there for five days, and hardly touched. I found that our finicky eaters prefer burger mixed w/ sausage and cut up chicken along with diced/pureed vegetables made up into little 'meatballs'. And they absolutely love raw beef rib bones. I'll admit it that it IS more work, I'm either prepairing food for us or the dogs whenever I'm in the kitchen. But if it's better for them, so why not, they're part of the family, right? I do appreciate all the help and input from everyone here, it was a little nerve-racking at first, but we've done it. Now, how about a little help with the winning Lotto numbers? Only kidding, once again thanks all, especially Kathy (kfgesq). |
- Posted by thorspippi z9/s14 CA (Sac) (My Page) on Mon, May 9, 05 at 6:13
Oh I'm so glad it's working out! I see Bruno's condition improving steadily even though he's not completely switched. He's not itching nearly as much (that vinegar bath packs a great wallop) and his coat is getting shiny again. Our only problem is keeping the ButtheadCat away while he's eating (Bruno's Omega--Butthead can take food right out of Bruno's mouth). :-) We've been working on switching the cats, too. But only Butthead is willing. Bruno and the Butthead: |
I have found a great website i'd like to share. www.goodpet.com check it out |
I don;t think raw food diets HAVE to be used....I think that some good attention to picking the right food for them and then to supplments - like yogurt to promote good flora in the intenstines - is very do-able - at least I find that with our lab. I do change his food about 3 times per year, always high quality food (never have used Science diet, mostly Nutros and Eukanuba) - and I also feed him Fish oil capsules and such at times ...he's doing great. I find that his body chemistry seems to change with the season so I reassess what I give him as the main source of food each season.... my husband was aboslutely, positively against raw food diets ...and I am fine this that since our dog is good as we do it now :) |
- Posted by kcsnaunnie 93303 (My Page) on Sun, Jul 24, 05 at 2:00
The itchy problems did not happen nearly as much years ago. The things they put into dog food is very unhealthy pesticides and hormones not to mention the water they drink. Floride is in a lot of the drinking water now days along with chemicals used to make it drinkable.? Try bottled water for a few weeks see if that helps. If you like I can send the facts on floride not good for man or beast. |
My dog has a yeast infection. It's easy to tell with her cause she smells awful! It started with an ear infection and she was chewing at her feet all the time. The ear infection looked like ear mites, but that wasn't it. We took her to the vet several times and she got better for a moment but then went right back to where she was. I finally came across a site about yeast infections in dogs and it was very informative! They also talk about commercial dog foods and what's in them. They offer all natural products to help out with the itching, immune system and good bacteria. They also have a ton of success stories and pictures! I have started my dog on the yeast kit, but it's too soon to see results. We have our fingers crossed! |
Here is a link that might be useful: NZMES
- Posted by sheilaschnauzies Z4bNE (My Page) on Wed, Jan 11, 06 at 5:02
Hi, I am new to this particular forum but not to Gardenweb. One thing I noticed was that a lot of you talked about your dogs having hot spots - I wanted to make sure to suggest comfrey salve to you to heal those VERY quickly. I grow my own comfrey and make my own salve in quantity for my use and my 6 dogs, but you can also find it in your local natural foods store more than likely. Make sure if you put it on them you cover it so the dog can't lick it as comfrey can cause liver damage when taken internally. But the stuff is amazing. On the topic of feeding home-cooked, I have had great luck with the following when I have had a furkid with pancreatitis, or a puppy sick from tummy surgery, etc. In a large bowl I mix: |
This topic has been popular! I have a border collie mix, which I adopted as an adult from a shelter. She slowly developed itchy paws and it kept getting worse. The vet prescribed a medicated powder, which worked well. Meanwhile someone had mentioned food allergies, particularly wheat. So, I stopped feeding her wheat/bread goodies (she loves pizza dough) and she stopped itching! If she eats bread or a similar product she immediately starts itching, so it's very obvious. Be sure to feed your dog only good dog food and cut out those human-food goodies. |
My dog has chronic generalized demodosis. It's an inherited auto-immune issue for which there is no cure. The best I can do is help ease her symptoms. She's been through the dips, the baths, the creams, the oral and injected Ivermectin. I chose not to do the really heavy-duty 6 shots every 2 weeks, as that generally leads to liver issues later in life. Recently I've been introduced to a botanical extract which may help her. She seems to like getting her piece of cheese every 8 hours. This stuff is supposed to help her own body release it's adult stem cells. Hopefully those will then work to strengthen her immune system. Only time will tell. I've started a blog where you can follow along as she and I work to help her get better. You'll find it in my optional link area. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ask-Us, where you'll find my sweet Sarah's story.
Please stop sending me private emails in relation to this subject. I don't have any answers and I don't need any more suggestions. My poor Zack died a year ago at the age of thirteen, from spinal cancer. It was horrible. If anyone is able to make some use from this thread then I'm glad, but please stop emailing me personally. |
- Posted by brendan_of_bonsai 4b AK (My Page) on Mon, Oct 20, 08 at 2:15
For those who find this thread Homeopathy is a miracle, if the vet can literally walk on water and heal the blind then trust them to fix your dog, if not then see a real vet. |
Sorry brendon, i know you want people to think you walk on water. But your ignorance does'nt help you much. I'll take homeopathy over a highschool kid any day of the week. |
- Posted by brendan_of_bonsai 4b AK (My Page) on Fri, Oct 24, 08 at 2:35
Congratulations on not reading what I said, then making a comparison between homeopathy and someone you apparently just made up. I never said I could walk on water, or that I could treat an itchy dog, and I have no idea who the highschooler you are talking about is, or where you even got that, unless you went back in to my posts from many years ago (I've been on gardenweb since the late 90's). |
- Posted by angiesewnsew (My Page) on Sun, Dec 7, 08 at 12:30
I rub olive oil into my dogs skin. She stops itching instantly, and finds herself delicious. You can also make up a scrub for bath time. Olive oil , or some other kind of oil, and sugar. Rub it in and rinse. Works great for people too. |
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Yogi's Great Escape
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Hanna-Barbera Studios
Daws Butler, Don Messick, Susan Blu, Frank Welker, Edan Gross, Josh Rodine, Dustin Diamond, Scott Menville, William Callaway, Allan Melvin; Full Voice Cast ..
Ray Patterson
William Hanna, Joseph Barbera
- 1987
- Animated TV Special
- Hanna-Barbera Studios
- TV Special
- Cartoon Characters: Yogi Bear, Boo Boo, Ranger Smith, Quick Draw McGraw, Wally Gator, Snagglepuss, Buzzy, Little Cowgirl, Swamp Fox Girl, Girl, Swamp Fox Kids, Bopper, Yapper, Real Ghost, Bitsy, Skinny Kid, Chubby Kid, Leader Kid, Trapper, Dad, Bandit Bear, Li'l Brother Bear, Reporter, Cowboy Kids, Mom, Boy.
- Vocal Talent: Daws Butler (Yogi Bear, Quick Draw McGraw, Wally Gator, Snagglepuss), Don Messick (Boo Boo, Ranger Smith), Susan Blu (Buzzy, Little Cowgirl, Swamp Fox Girl, Girl, Swamp Fox Kid), Frank Welker (Bopper, Yapper, Real Ghost), Edan Gross (Bitsy), Josh Rodine (Skinny Kid), Dustin Diamond (Chubby Kid), Scott Menville (Leader Kid), William Callaway (Trapper, Dad), Allan Melvin (Bandit Bear), Hamilton Camp (Li'l Brother Bear), Patrick Fraley (Reporter, Cowboy Kid, Swamp Fox Kid), Tress MacNeille (Swamp Fox Boy, Cowboy Kid, Mom, Boy).
- Directed By Ray Patterson.
- Produced By William Hanna, Joseph Barbera.
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AHHH!!! His eyes! I've seen the one at DLR malfunction at midway mania as well and do the ear drop thing but never the eye thing lol...
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Theatrical Roles: Various Roles (The Laramie Project), Fred (Oklahoma!), Oberon (Shakespeare in Hollywood), Hero (A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum), Valere (The Miser), Moonface Martin (Anything Goes), Thenardier/Laborer/Army Officer/Ensemble (Les Miserables), Franz (The Sound of Music), Tobias Ragg (Sweeney Todd), Tinman (The Wiz), Elles Dad/Winthrop/Ensemble (Legally Blonde), William Barfee/Leaf's Dad/Jesus Christ (25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee), Fiddler on the Roof (Rabbi), The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (Muff Potter/Ensemble), Shrek the Musical (Lord Farquaad)
It's like he had a stroke!
Born in a shoebox and making the most of it.
Oh my goodness! Creep factor 8! LOL! I've never seen the ear drop thing so that was a new one... they eyes certainly made it super creepy.
Nice catch!
<3 There are a million cupcakes in the world but only one is Cupcake Terror. <3
That's freaky!!!
Hahaha Mr. Potatohead looks like he had one too many
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haha, his eyes roll up then a baby cries x)
hahaha...this might actually be really sad...but I can't stop laughing every time I replay this video.
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Maybe someone slipped him a mickey...
Not as creepy as I expected. Even with the butterfingers the AA is still impressive though.
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Unions Push White House to Appoint Becker
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Leaders of some big unions are pushing the White House to appoint former union lawyer Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board despite the failure of his nomination in the Senate, as they try to salvage what they can of their legislative and regulatory agenda ahead of the 2010 elections.
"I think he should be appointed. I think a majority should rule here, and I hope the president takes it under strong consideration," said Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern in an interview Wednesday.
United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard also wanted a so-called recess appointment—which bypasses the requirement for Senate confirmation—for Mr. Becker, and warned Democrats Thursday that failure to move on labor priorities could cost them in the 2010 elections. "If we don't get meaningful progress, it will be hard to get people out for the election," Mr. Gerard said. "Lots of people who worked real hard in '08 don't have a job right now."
Mr. Becker, who worked for the SEIU and the AFL-CIO, won 52 votes in a Senate vote Tuesday, but that was short of the 60 needed to overcome a Republican-led filibuster. Two Democrats, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, voted no. The vote further dimmed the chances that the Senate would move on a top labor priority, the Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for unions to organize workers.
The White House hasn't said whether it would try to seat Mr. Becker by appointing him while Congress was in recess. But the administration is trying to reassure labor allies. "We will work with our allies and with Congress to help restore balance to the federal government on behalf of working people," the White House said Wednesday.
In the aftermath of the defeat, union officials said they would press harder on the Labor Department and the NLRB to enforce existing rules protecting workers' rights.
"We will be pushing for stepped-up enforcement at the labor board and the labor department, such as cracking down on wage and hour abuses, health and safety violations, and efforts to thwart union organizing," said Bill Samuel, legislative director for labor federation AFL-CIO, which represents 57 unions. "We hope the president will use the bully pulpit to criticize employers that are violating the basic rights of workers."
Union leaders said they would look for other ways to get some of the results they had hoped for from the Employee Free Choice Act. "We need to find ways in our country for American workers to get a raise," said the SEIU's Mr. Stern. "If the Employee Free Choice Act as it is written is not going to be the vehicle to do that, we are not going to stop looking for ways to make sure people get raises and have choices," he said.
Among the proposals unions have on their agenda: a jobs bill and legislation that would require employers to give workers time off to deal with their own or others' health needs.
Some business groups are concerned about the prospect of more aggressive enforcement actions by the Labor Department. They point to the recent confirmation of Patricia Smith as the department's solicitor, the agency' No. 3 post. Strongly supported by unions, she gained a reputation as a tough labor commissioner of New York state known for vigorous enforcement of rules for minimum wage and overtime pay. In her first year on the job, she collected 37% more in wage underpayments and 20% more in fines than in the prior year.
"The danger there is that the enforcement gets targeted on companies that are being targeted by unions for organizing," said Dan Yager, chief policy officer of the HR Policy Association, a Washington business group.
Unions will also look for more federal spending on infrastructure projects that can benefit the building trades unions, labor experts said.
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Craig Becker serves as legal counsel to the AFL-CIO and the Service Employees International Union. This articles incorrectly states that he no longer holds these positions.


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By Paul Strauss: Isaac Chilemba 18-1-1 (9 KO) gambled and won in taking on short notice what might be the biggest fight of his career against knockout puncher Edison "Pantera" Miranda 35-6-0 (30 KO) at the Texas Station Casino, Las Vegas. Not surprisingly he started out a bit tight and cautious. As usual Miranda was all about pressure and trying to land his big right hand. The tall and rangy Chilmeba needed to use his height and reach advantage to be successful against the murderous punching Miranda. Initially it didn't look as though he was going to be able to do it. Miranda was continually closing and pressing. He bragged before hand that he was going to get Chilemba by the seventh. He looked as though his prediction might come true. Chilemba did enough to make the early rounds close, managing to avoid Miranda's biggest shots. But, Miranda deserved the rounds. True to character Miranda was rough early and got a brief warning from Referee Robert Byrd for using his left elbow. Both fighters were also hammering rabbitt punches to the back of their heads and necks. In the third round, there was an accidental clash of heads. Miranda came out of it with a nasty cut above the left eye. It was more to the outside of the brow, but the blood flowed freely. The sight of Miranda's blood spurred on Chilemba, and he started pumping more right hands to the left side of Miranda's head. From about the third round on, Chilemba fought the good fight. He used lead rights, uppercuts, and well timed clinches to control Pantera, who increasingly became more and more frustrated. Miranda became more and more careless, which resulted in opening himself up to Chilemba's stinging punches. Miranda wasn't in danger of being knocked out, but he was kept off balance and left unable to land the big shot he needed. As often happens when a fighter gets desperate, Miranda over extended, leaving himself draped over the ducking Chilemba. By doing so, he limited himself to one wild swing and then smothered himself. Chilemba also over extended at times, but smothering himself and Miranda turned out to be a strategic move for him. Mranda's corner was unable to stop the flow of blood from the cut over his left eye. As the rounds rolled on, there was blood smearing the entire left side of his face. Then blood was all over Chilemba's body, and finally announcers Teddy Atlas and Joe Tessitore pointed out that they were getting sprinkled with it as well. Chilemba came away with a UD. Judges scored it as follows: Robert Hoyle and Al Lefkowitz saw it 96-92 for Chilemba. Dave Moretti had a little bigger margin at 97-91 for Chilemba.
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Police say one person has died and three people are in custody after an altercation in the parking lot of Arrowhead Stadium where the Kansas City Chiefs were inside playing the Denver Broncos.
Police spokesman Darin Snapp tells The Associated Press the death is being treated as a homicide but no arrests have been made. He says the victim had returned to his vehicle Sunday to find a stranger inside and a struggle ensued.
The victim, a man in his 20s, was found unconscious on the pavement. Snapp says paramedics began administering first aid before he was transported to a hospital, where he died. His name has not been released.
Chiefs spokesman Ted Crews says the team's aware of the incident but cannot comment further because of the police investigation.
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A Christmas Carol is a novella by Charles Dickens, one of the most famous books he ever wrote. It is the story of Ebenezer Scrooge, a greedy miser who hates Christmas, and how he is transformed into a caring, kindly person through the visitations of four ghosts. Since its first publication in 1843, it has been adapted many times: for theatre, film, television, radio, and opera.
The novel was the subject of Dickens' first public reading, given in Birmingham Town Hall to the Industrial and Literary Institute on 27 December 1852. This was repeated three days later to an audience of 'working people', and was a great success by his own account and that of newspapers of the time. Over the years Dickens edited the piece down and adapted it for a listening, rather than reading, audience. Excerpts from 'A Christmas Carol' remained part of Dickens' public readings until his death.
Entertainer Mike Randall, in character as Dickens, has a touring show in which he performs the public readings as Dickens did during his lifetime.
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Throughout the late nineteenth century, and into the early years of the twentieth, British actor Seymour Hicks toured England with his own non-musical adaptation of the story, in which he played Scrooge.
Between 1944 and 1956, most television versions of the story were staged live.
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Is Your Ex A Sociopath Or A Narcissist?
As a divorce coach, it's something I hear often: a recently divorced woman will talk about her ex and scathingly describe him as a "sociopath" or a "narcissist." While it may bring her a sense of justification by labeling her ex, what does she really gain from playing the victim in her divorce? Many people, both men and women experience a range of emotions when they are going through a divorce. They act out in ways that are not aligned with their innate personalities. They act this way out of revenge, anger and pain. And the act of name-calling may be a way to relieve these feelings.
So is your ex really a sociopath or a narcissist ... or is he just acting out? Many skilled divorce coaches agree that a person will take on these personality traits during stressful life changes and then revert back to normal once the stress is gone.
How do you know he's a sociopath? If he's a true sociopath, there would have been warning signs at the very beginning of your relationship. Sociopaths are masters at deception. For instance, he may have lied about his job, finances or family. He probably did not have close ties with too many people as a sociopath is incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse.
A sociopath has little concern for another person's feelings, desires or needs. His main purpose is to get what he wants, regardless of how it may harm other people. He was probably very charming and charismatic, which is how a sociopath will use to win over the love and affection of his target (you). He knew how to play the victim so that nothing was ever his fault and had a way of twisting it around so that you believed that it was somehow your fault. A sociopath continuously invents outrageous lies about his past experiences and other people. If your ex really is a sociopath, you'll see a history of his fabricated storytelling and wonder to yourself how you could have ever believed some of those absurd lies in the first place. So, if he doesn't fit the "sociopath" profile — could he still be a narcissist? Keep reading ...
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"No other modern country gives corporations the unfettered power found in America to gouge customers, shortchange workers, and erect barriers to fair play. A big reason is that so little of the news . . . addresses the private, government-approved mechanisms by which price gouging is employed to redistribute income upward." You are being systematically exploited by powerful corporations every day. These companies squeeze their trusting customers for every last cent, risk their retirement funds, and endanger their lives. And they do it all legally. How? It's all in the fine print. David Cay Johnston, the bestselling author of Perfectly Legal and Free Lunch, is famous for exposing the perfidies of our biggest institutions. Now he turns his attention to the ways huge corporations hide sneaky stipulations in just about every contract, often with government permission. Johnston has been known to whip out a utility bill and explain line by line what all that mumbo jumbo actually means (and it doesn't mean anything good, unless you happen to be the utility company). Within all that jargon, disclosed in accordance with all legal requirements, lie the tools these companies use to rob you blind. Even worse is what's missing—all the contractually binding clauses that companies hide elsewhere yet still enforce and abuse. Consider, for example, how:
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- Laws in nineteen states let companies like Goldman Sachs, General Electric, and Procter & Gamble pocket the state income taxes withheld from their workers' paychecks for up to twenty-five years.
- A little-known government rule gives safety waivers to deadly industrial facilities secretly located underneath schools and playgrounds.
- The "FCC Charge" on your phone bill, which appears to be a government fee, actually goes straight to the phone company.
DAVID CAY JOHNSTON is a Pulitzer Prize–winning reporter who has been called the "de facto chief tax enforcement officer of the United States." His most recent books, Perfectly Legal and Free Lunch, were New York Times bestsellers. He was a reporter for The New York Times for thirteen years and now writes a column for Reuters. He also teaches at Syracuse University College of Law and the Whitman School of Management, and he was recently elected board president of Investigative Reporters and Editors, Inc. He lives in Rochester, New York. Visit www.davidcayjohnston.com


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Hi. I need help with my slightly compulsive shopping! We both prefer the canned cranberry jelly, but for some odd reason, I bought a bag of fresh cranberries. I have no idea what to do with them and feel a little silly.
I did a search, but I'm not too happy with the search function, seeing as how it can take me to a topic with 100 posts that I have to scan through only to find one reference to cranberries. I am hoping for some ideas, mainly for muffins with the fresh berries. Does anyone think I'll have to cook and sweeten the berries first or can I just add them straight? If there are any high-alt recipes, I'd love 'em, but I can always adjust a recipe, so anything yummy would be great. Thank you!!
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Jennifer, I have a wonderful recipe for Cranberry Cake with Butter Sauce. I'll post it tonight when I get home. It's incredible! Linda |
This recipe is a huge hit in my house. I hope you enjoy it! cranberry apple crisp |
My favorite use for fresh cranberries? Last year I just whipped an egg white, used that to coat the cranberries and then rolled them in sugar because I wanted them as a decoration for my pumpkin cheesecake. They were lovely, but I spent most of my time eating those sugar encrusted berries, they were so good. Yes, I know all about the raw egg thing, but I have my own chickens and use my own eggs and the USDA can butt out. actually, I think you could accomplish the same thing with any wetting ingredient, even water. Orange juice might be good..... Annie |
Mjrdolfan!! What a great recipe and you've given me a thought...am making an apple brown betty and think I'll toss in a handful of fresh cranberries. |
Chop some up and add to your favorite nut bread or muffin recipe. |
There are pickled cranberries, cranberry chutney...neither of which I've made yet. This one is on my to do list... 2 cups all-purpose flour Sauce: Preheat the oven to 350° F. Butter a 9-inch round pan. Sift the flour, sugar, and baking powder into a large bowl. Add the butter, milk, and egg. Beat for 2 minutes, or until smooth. Stir in the cranberries. Pour into the prepared pan, smooth the top, and bake for 1 hour, or until an inserted toothpick comes out clean. Transfer to a wire rack to cool, then remove from pan when cool. To make the sauce: Melt the butter in a small saucepan over low heat. Add the sugar, cream, and vanilla bean. Stir to mix well. Cook, stirring occasionally, for 5 minutes. Remove the vanilla bean. Serve the cake with each individual slice generously drenched with the warmed sauce. DESSERT Cranberry Bliss Bars Cake Frosting 1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees. 2. Make cake by beating butter and brown sugar together with an electric mixer until smooth. Add eggs, vanilla, ginger, and salt and beat well. Gradually mix in flour until smooth. Mix 3/4 cup diced dried cranberries and white chocolate into the batter by hand. Pour batter into a well-greased 9x13-inch baking pan. Use a spatula to spread the batter evenly across the pan. Bake for 35 to 40 minutes or until cake is light brown on the edges. Allow cake to cool. 3. Make frosting by combining softened cream cheese, 3 cups powdered sugar, lemon juice and vanilla extract in a medium bowl with an electric mixer until smooth. When the cake has cooled, use a spatula to spread frosting over the top of the cake. 4. Sprinkle 1/4 cup of diced cranberries over the frosting on the cake. 5. Whisk together 1/2 cup powdered sugar, 1 tablespoon milk, and shortening. Drizzle icing over the cranberries in a sweeping motion or use a pastry bag with a fine tip to drizzle frosting across the top of the cake. 6. Allow cake to sit for several hours, then slice the cake lengthwise (the long way) through the middle. Slice the cake across the width three times making a total of eight rectangular slices. Slice each of those rectangles diagonally creating 16 triangular slices. 16 bars |
- Posted by terri_pacnw (My Page) on Mon, Nov 19, 07 at 13:13
Annie, the other day at Safeway I saw pasturized eggs in the shell. A dozen were well over $4. I was suprised to see that. LOL I have no hesitation using homegrown eggs in their raw form. In the spring and summer I buy them from a friend. The rest of the year.....I pay way more for lesser quality eggs...I'm trying to convince hubby I need a half dozen layers of my own..He does notice and prefer the homegrown eggs. |
So, I'm salivating right now!!! Thank you all so much, the recipes are making me want to bake them now instead of waiting till thursday. I kind of like the idea of dipping them in surgar...I might not use the egg white, but I do like candy or anything similar! I am going to have to think about which one I'm gonna use!! I may just go buy a few more bags...store them for later use...make all the recipes listed! I am tempted, though, to go an easy route and add some chopped berries to the muffin recipe I have that is already high-alt adjusted...I'm not sure if that is lazy or just simple?! Thanks all, it makes my planning so much easier. Jennifer |
I have an Ocean Spray Cookbook with over 200 recipes including appetizers, beverages, desserts and more (Copyright 1995). It uses both canned whole/jelled and fresh/frozen whole cranberries in the recipes. Many of the same recipes appear at their web site: http://www.oceanspray.com/recipes/ My all-time favorite use for fresh cranberries is this recipe: FRESH CRANBERRY-ORANGE RELISH Makes about 3 cups (I tend to make half a recipe.) 1 12-oz. package Ocean Spray fresh or frozen cranberries, rinsed and drained Place half the cranberries and half the orange pieces in a food processor and process until the mixture is evenly chopped. Transfer to a bowl. Repeat with the remaining cranberries and orange slices. Store in the refrigerator or freezer until ready to serve. So simple - so tasty! |
Cranberry Upside-Downer Ingredients: 1 cup all-purpose flour Preheat the oven at 350 degrees F (180 degrees Celsius). Whisk together the flour, baking powder, cinnamon and salt in a bowl. Melt 6 tablespoons of butter in a small saucepan. Sprinkle 6 tablespoons of the sugar and cook, stirring, until the mixture comes to a boil. Pour this over the bottom of a 8 x 2 inch round cake pan. Scatter the nuts and top with the cranberries. Press down gently using your fingertips. If frozen berries were used this might cause the butter to congeal - don't worry as everything will melt in the oven. Set this aside. Using a hand mixture beat the remaining 8 tablespoons of butter on medium speed until smooth. Add the remaining 1/2 cup of sugar and continue until the mixture is pale and creamy. If you used brown sugar like I did - it won't turn pale ;-). Beat for about 3 minutes. Add the eggs one at a time, beating for 1 minute after each addition. Pour in the vanilla. Reduce the mixer speed to low and add half of the dry ingredients, mixing only until they disappear into the batter. Mix in the milk and then the remaining dry ingredients. Spoon the batter over the cranberries and smooth the top with a rubber spatula. Bake for 40 to 45 minutes, or until the cake is golden and a thin knife inserted into the center of the cake comes out clean. Remove from oven and run a blunt knife between the sides of the sides of the pan and the cake. Turn the cake out onto a serving platter. Warm the jelly in a small saucepan over a low heat. Gently brush the glaze over the hot cake. Storing recommendations: The cake is best served the day it is made, but it can be covered and kept at room temperature overnight. It's not such a great idea to freeze this, due to the cranberry topping. This recipe was adapted from Baking: From My Home To Yours by Dorie Greenspan, Houghton Mifflin Company, November 2006. |
I've always loved the cranbery-orange relish posted by Grainlady... found this variation last year in Southern Living .... Although the recipe says it can be held in fridge up to two weeks, I prefer to eat it right away .. the lime gets a bit bitter (at least for my taste)if it is held. Cranberry-Key Lime Relish MAKES ABOUT 4 CUPS 1 (12-oz.) bag fresh cranberries* 4 Key limes 1 cup sugar Ľ cup fresh mint leaves 2 Tbsp. orange liqueur or fresh orange juice 1. Pulse all ingredients in a food processor 10 to 12 times or until finely chopped, stopping to scrape down sides. Cover and chill until ready to serve. Store in an airtight container in refrigerator up to 2 weeks. * 1 (12-oz.) bag frozen cranberries, thawed, may be substituted. Note: Key limes are smaller, a bit more round, and have a thinner skin than Persian limes. |
Sol's Cranberry Cream Scones are to die for... I need to make some this week! Cranberry Cream Scones 2 cups unsifted AP flour, plus flour for dusting Position the oven rack in the lower third of the oven. Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Cut circle into 10 wedges, without detaching them. And bake for 30-35 minutes or until golden. *I use granulated sugar |
Cranberry salsa...serve with corn chips Cranberry salsa BJ Irwin |
Delicious cranberry pie 2 c fresh cranberries 1 1/2 cups sugar 1/2 cup chopped nuts 2 eggs 1 cup flour 1/2 cup melted butter Spread cranberries over bottom of a greased small square pyrex dish or pie dish |
Cranberry-Apple Casserole 3 cups peeled, chopped apples Combine apples, cranberries and 2 Tbsp. flour. Toss to coat. Add 1 cup sugar and mix well. Place in a 2 qt. casserole dish. Combine oatmeal, nuts, 1/2 cup flour, brown sugar and butter, mix well. Spoon over fruit mixture. Bake in a 350 degree oven for 45 minutes. |
If you are looking for a dessert, I made this pie recently and it was a big hit at our house. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Cranberry-Pear Pie
I grind them up, then grind two oranges, and one apple. Then I make a large box of red raspberry jello and put the entire ground mess in there. Really, the jello merely holds it together, you don't taste it. Then I thaw one to 2 bags of red raspberries, drain them, and put them in and mix gently. Then I chop about 1 cup of pecans and put them in. Sugar (or splenda) to taste. Set it overnight to firm up. Serve with whip cream. I get rave reviews on this. It's very rich and yummy, and you control the sweetness. The red raspberries are what makes it so good. |
Sorry it took me so long to get back here and post this. I have no excuse, just didn't do it last night like I said I would! LOL Cranberry Cake with Butter Sauce 1/4c butter Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Grease and flour an 8x8 baking pan. Mix butter Sauce 1/2c butter Linda |
- Posted by cloud_swift (My Page) on Tue, Nov 20, 07 at 21:10
You can also put cranberries in the turkey dressing. I roughly chopped them - just aiming to get them approximately halved so their juices would mix with the rest of the dressing. For this weekend, I'll be making a cranberry fall crumble from Classic Home Desserts. It calls for 18 oz of cranberries plus a couple of pears and a couple of apples so its kind of similar to the cranberry pear pie above except with an oat based crumb topping and no bottom crust. Halved and put into a quick bread also is good. The recipe I use is for an orange cranberry bread. |
You can make a Mayflower Martini!! You coat the glass with sweet vermouth, then put in one part white cranberry juice to two parts gin (or two parts juice to one part gin, depending on strength). Float a few little cranberries in the drink for granish!! It's so cute! (Toss them at the end of the drink of course!) |
You all are so full of ideas...yummy ideas!! I have changed my mind several times on what I would do with the berries. At first it was the "put them in your favourite recipe" idea that had me...it is a streussel topped muffin. But I am now taken over by the link Ohiomom posted for the cranberry-pear pie!! It looks so yummy! I don't drink alcohol, but I think I will save a few berries to float on either our hot, mulled apple cider or our bubbly water/cranberry juice drink we make...I'll bet they are cute with those berries wobbling about the drink! Thanks again everyone. I'll bet lots of us get good ideas from your posts... Jennifer |
- Posted by dances_in_garden (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 07 at 18:18
I freeze them, right in the bag they come in. To use in baking, I take them and "grind" them in the food processor. I find I like their taste, texture, and colour in baked goods better this way. Today, I made a sort of slaw with apple, cabbage, carrot, red pepper, and some paper thin sliced frozen cranberries. A tiny splash of champagne vinegar, some salt and pepper (no oil). I didn't grate anything, but rather did the french style of taking forever to cut everything by hand into thin planks, then into very thin strips LOL. Hey, I needed something to do while my pork chops and potatoes were roasting. I chilled the slaw for a bit, and it turned out better than I had imagined. I think next time I might prefer rice vinegar because it is a little sweeter, but overall I was impressed - since I didn't think I would like apple slaw. The cranberries really added to the taste, texture, and colour. If they had been raw, I don't think it would have worked as well. |
That slaw actually sounds very yummy!! I did it! I used Ohiomom's recipe and made my first pie in like ten years, and it was my first high-alt pie!! Yeah, good stuff. I thank you for the great recipe and I may have to go out and buy that second or third bag of berries...for later. I made a couple of minor adjustments: Don't laugh, but my boyfriend licked the plate. Then...a few moments later, I licked my plate and giggled. Thanks again all, and if anyone wants to try a yummy pie, this is a great one to eat! The tea is steeping and I will be having my second slice any minute now... |
Here is a link that might be useful: Oh, yeah!!!
For a pound of cranberries... On a large jelly roll pan, pour out about 2 C of sugar. Separate two eggs. Put the yokes away for something else. Whip the whites until frothy, but not until they're starting to meringue. Dump in the cranberries and toss to coat. Remove cranberries, drain of any excess egg white, and place in the sugared pan. Stir so that the cranberries pick up as much sugar as possible, then place in a warm spot to dry. When dry, remove the sugared cranberries to an airtight tin. You eat them just like candy. |
The kids and I made Linda's Cranberry Salsa and really liked it. We'll make it again. We modified it slightly. Cranberry Salsa from BJ Irwin 1 12 oz package cranberries, chopped fine I made the following adaptations: * 1 20 oz can of crushed pineapple with no sugar added instead of the small can. I had it sitting there and we decided the whole thing sounded good. I used a half a jalapeńo instead of a whole (we are wimps) but we decided it could have used the whole thing. We ate it with white corn chips. Alice's only complaint was its lack of chunkiness. I was in a hurry and did it all in the food processor. Yum! |
- Posted by lpinkmountain (My Page) on Sun, Nov 25, 07 at 15:43
I love fresh cranberries, although I am not crazy about cranberry relish. I like it OK, but it is not my favorite cranberry dish by far. I love them in pies, muffins, cakes, etc. It's too bad that most folks only know cranberries for the one time opening of the can at Thanksgiving. I hope I can make some more things with them this winter for the holidays. Here's one I made for Thanksgiving that was a big hit. I had to laugh Jennifer, because my experience was similar, we ended up going for seconds and licking the bowls! Cranberry-Cherry Crumble, from "Cooking Light" magazine 3 cups fresh or frozen cranberries, thawed (that's one package) Preheat oven to 375 degrees. |
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Garens one of the few people who beat darius in lane though...
Garen is fine IMO. He is 100x tankier than Darius, has safer laning due to his manaless nature and actually having an escape/sustain. He doesnt do as much damage as a trade off for being able to take more damage, having some mobility and being manaless. We call that "game balance".
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I play Garen as a roamer. Push out my lane with spin2win and then sprint to mid or go for the enemy jungler and put pressure everywhere. Darius ulti also does more to targets that stack armor, since it's true damage based on the stacks of his passive. Targets that get a lot of hp (read cho'gath/singed) are better suited for Garen since his ulti scales off missing hp points. Building brutalizer on Garen is hilarious because no mana (also black cleaver rework in S3 but that's not for a while). Brutalizer also builds into youmuu's so that I can get to who I need to very quickly and keep them out of a fight. CDR, flat armor pen, and crit too, all very nice things for Garen. On Garen, I tend to build boots 3x pots->HoG->boots of choice->avarice blade->sunfire cape for extra everything that Garen is a fan of->youmuu's/randuins. Youmuu's if I'm having trouble keeping up with people or getting into fights, otherwise I go for warmog's->finish youmuu's. Tends to work nicely but games never last that long anyways lol. But hey, don't listen to me. I probably don't know what I'm talking about at all, I don't actually play this game a lot.
Spin to win does 741.15 base damage + 330% scaling at max level (for people looking it up, remember it scales on total AD, not just bonus, so include that). That's basically Darius' entire kit, and before counting Garen's Q. Garen has a movespeed button that cleanses slows and can also silence. Garen gets a ****ton of free defensive stats in addition to a % damage reduction barrier. Garen is a resourceless champion, though Darius isn't super restricted by mana so this isn't huge. Garen's damage is less useful for quick trades, as he needs to stick to a target for full spin. He can also spin less frequently than Darius can. Garen's ult is in most cases inferior due to magic scaling and obviously not refreshing. Garen has a solid health regen passive for laning, Darius just has more damage for trading. They both have perks and problems. Garen is overall more defensive, Darius is overall more offensive. Garen will usually win a lane between the two.
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because just because they both have a single target execute that means they need to be in complete balance with each other? well i guess next we should make elise's skill shot stun thing scale with range like nids spears.


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