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I've been told that for Roundup to be effective I should wait until our average daytime temperature is in the 70's.
Is that correct or can I start using it now...I have a large privacy berm that is covered with weeds that I would love to spray asap before I start planting. |
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In the 70s sounds a little high to me. My understanding is that you should use Roundup when the weeds have foliage and are growing vigorously. To get a read on the temperature situation, you might call the Roundup information line at 1-800-225-2883. |
Over 50 is fine but 70 degrees is better. However, mowdy is right the weeds should be growing well and do not cut them before spraying. Below is the link for all Monsanto labels and MSDS. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Roundup Labels + MSDS
Thanks Moudy and Rosa for the info. It sounds like I should maybe wait another week or two or even more for it to be as effective as possible. I hate respraying!...and that stuff is expensive for the large area I have to cover. |
The cooler the temps the longer it will take to be absorbed-to a point. It will still take somewhere between 7-10 days even at optimal temps to see damage and longer for death to occur. So don't reapply for at least 3 weeks if you are doing early spring spraying in your area where temps are still onthe cool side. Give the chemical the time it needs to work. Also a good surfactant and mixing to the right strength for your site and plants will go along way to not having to do the job repeatedly. |
I sprayed some weeds last week. Temp was in 50's or so. Everything was going good til it snowed. Now they are just wilted. The reason for the 70's temp is water intake is higher at higher temp. Thus the weeds are going to take in more of the roundup faster. At lower temps it will usually take repeated sprayings to achieve the same results. The only reason i sprayed this early is that my father-in-law noticed i had bindweed in a bed i was preparing to be raised. Wated to see if i could knock some of it down before being covered with compost/topsoil mix. Bryan |
- Posted by Canyon_Home (My Page) on Wed, Apr 6, 05 at 13:44
This is the one time of the year that I don't mind weeding. Cool temps and soft soil make for a pleasant experience. Besides, there's not a lot else to do in the yard. I've already made two lengthy weeding sojourns around the garden. Some of those weeds stick down 12" roots during the winter. Get em now while you can, especially in those places that make spraying chemicals tricky in a few months. |
- Posted by sunshinelovegirl z4co (My Page) on Wed, Apr 6, 05 at 14:14
I hate to be the only one to complain around here, but using chemicals such as roundup not only poisons the ground you garden in but it runs off into your neighbors yard and causes ground water contamination. More pesticide residues end up in our lakes and streams from domestic use than from farming. Most people using yard chemicals apply way to much and pose hazards for everything in this world. Have a nice day =) |
I understand Roundup actually contains Glyphosate and oxidizes into a harmless form within a very short time (a google search will prove this out from many reputable, unbiased sources). That is why it needs to make its way into the plant quickly. It is an urban myth (kind of like the fear of Microwave ovens in the 70's) that it is passed on like DDT (an organic compout) or heavy metals. The salts and chemicals in common fertilizers actually can have a more detrimental effect on the environment (when overused). Here is one article, but there are many more... |
I sprayed cheat grass and thistle today, and by the late afternoon, it was showing. High was in the mid-60's. |
"I hate to be the only one to complain around here, but using chemicals such as roundup not only poisons the ground you garden in but it runs off into your neighbors yard and causes ground water contaminatio..." Then don't. Or suggest other methods to the poster. |
- Posted by sunshinelovegirl z4co (My Page) on Sun, Apr 10, 05 at 18:40
well what ever happened to free speach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
No offense Sunshine but there are alot of people who come to this forum seeking chemical advise for weed control. Some are fine with it and some are not but do offer alternatives then to the chemical control. I agree that people use way too may chemicals, use them carelessly and many times do not even bother to read the labels, but the info you gave was not accurate, either. Remember that this is not the organic gardening forum ;^) |
- Posted by Canyon_Home (My Page) on Mon, Apr 11, 05 at 13:48
If you're anti-chemical, you do your argument little credit by spouting fear stories like "roundup not only poisons the ground you garden in but it runs off into your neighbors yard and causes ground water contamination." |
- Posted by sunshinelovegirl z4co (My Page) on Mon, Apr 11, 05 at 21:47
so when do fellow gardeners attack their friends. Who is to say what is a biased article and what is not. Denmark has banned chemicals (like roundup ready) for containing Glyphosate which contaminates ground water. Google roundup ready contamination and you will be hard pressed to find a possitive article. And when did being an organic gardener become a bad thing? All life is connected, read your bible and your savior can tell you that! Fear is all around you, I am not spreading fear I am here to open your eyes. So here is my alternative to weed control, burn it, during the waning moon because water levels in plants are the lowest then, or get down and dirty and pull the weeds after it rains. It's alot of work, but isn't that why we garden, to fulfill our domestic city learned lives! |
First of all religion, along with politics are not allowed here and those rules come from the site-not us. Second, biased articles abound both pro and con. All I said was that the information you provided about the chemical running into the neighbors yard and/or causing ground water contamination is not correct. That is not bias-that is based on the chemical composition of the product. That it poisons the ground we garden in is nothing but your subjective opinion. Orgainc gardening is not a bad thing-but I do agree that promoting your cause can't be done with fear and misinformation. Some of us are orgainic and some of us are not. You are not going to change the posters intent to use roundup as I will not attempt to get you to use it. The poster did not ask for how to kill the weeds, just the proper spray temperature. Some of us have attemped to give that information. The reason I asked you for alternatives is that this debate goes on in many forums and most times those posting have no idea how to even pull a weed not to mention be able to recognize one. They insist on alternative controls such as salt (that does indeed poision the soil) and vinegar that doesn't work on deep seated perennials. |
As Rosa says, this controversy comes up all the time at Garden Web. In another forum I recently posted the following: "Cheat grass" as it is commonly known around the intermountain west, is actually a combination of several closely related species of grass that are native to the steppes of Asia and were introduced here inadvertently. They have spread throughout the west, along the east of the Sierras from eastern Washington down into Arizona, I don't know how far east they have gone, but certainly to the Continental Divide. Many thousands of sq miles. Cheat grass turns green in February, and has usually gone to seed by mid-May. It then dries out, and is extremely flammable. The seeds are annoying, they penetrate socks and stick there until one pulls them out one by one. They will get into dogs ears and cause infection. When dry, the grass is unpalatable to cattle, the seeds are so sharp they bother their tongues. When fresh, early in March, cattle do get some nutritional value from it. However it sucks the moisture from the ground, harming native grasses. The big problem is fire, when lightening sets this stuff off it will burn for miles at a tremendous pace, and will ignite sage brush and pinion / juniper forest. That kills the sagebrush, pinion and juniper forest, leaving a desert populated by, you guessed it, cheat grass. This past winter had more than average moisture, and there is cheat grass everywhere. I have it growing on top of my mulch, under my pine trees, all around my propane tank, etc etc. I just finished spraying 15 gallons of roundup trying to kill it before it gets too big and goes to seed. This is on 3 acres. Russian Olive and Tamarisk are two invasive weeds that, between them, will choke out just about everything along the river banks and bottoms out here. It is an impenetrable mess, and many of the native birds are in serious decline as most of their natural food base in the riparian areas has been wiped out by these two trees. One way to control them is with roundup. I don't use roundup in my vegetable garden. I have serious reservations on GM roundup ready plants, and I have concerns with Monsanto buying up seed companies. But I do think it is a useful tool in the control of invasive weeds that are destroying much of the ecology of the west. Like any medicine, it does have side effects, both to the ecology as well, potentially, human health. But one has to make a trade off, I suppose. |
- Posted by Canyon_Home (My Page) on Tue, Apr 12, 05 at 10:02
Re: "So here is my alternative to weed control, burn it, during the waning moon because water levels in plants are the lowest" It's illegal to burn in most cities - besides the smoke pollutes the air and drifts into your neighbor's air space. |
- Posted by sunshinelovegirl z4co (My Page) on Tue, Apr 12, 05 at 14:16
hey carob, I am sorry that so many people trashed your post. I don't feel that I need to defend myself anymore. I obviously feel that I posted nothing that isn't accurate, we all have different views. So if you don't agree with me ignore me but dont be so rude to me because I believe that poisoning our environment is a bad thing. |
David, Well said and i agree with all, especially with the last paragraph. I also do not use Roudup in the veggie bed or GM crops. I am a seed saver so the idea of chemical companies or any other venture buying seed houses in attempts to control food sources/patent rights/variety/availability etc.. is reprehensible to me. Sunshine, yes agree to disagree-I can live with that too. carob-have you started spraying yet? |
- Posted by lilyroseviolet Maine 4and 5 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 14, 05 at 15:24
While visiting California and Arizona, this winter, I noticed that news stations were actaully filming and talking about the unsurmountable amounts of roundup being sold at local garden supply stores (as the over rain fall season has woken up dormant seeds and it looks like super weeds everywhere)! As I remember, there was only concern by those I had spoke with and from the media was that there may be forest fires from the many weeds that will dry out and that controlling these larger than normal and more prolific weeds. So, pull the weeds, or use round up was the only message I heard, but the need to irradicate the weeds was to be a serious concern. I never heard any reminder comments on the health issues or concerns from later effects of excessive use to mild and infrequent exposure. Roundup is toxic to human consumption, as it breaks down with water, it travels at a very slow rate and may take years to travel to its aquifer by ground water and soil penetrations. If repeated uses are applied the build up and break down process manifest into chemicals which are still of an equation which makes the soil less alive or any biomass of its environment. Most poisons are just that poisons and if a poison is designed to kill the hardiest of plants on the planet (weeds) then I hope little children and animals are not in the drift or crawl on the residue. Most plants dont die instantly, but through the leaves and stem the roundup is absorbed by spray (air traveling moleculars that land directly on each plant) The plant may take a few days to die. The sun exposure seems to increase the reaction rate of the plant. Oh, remeber! dont spray while having your BBQ, pets playing near by or any people are out, especially those with asthma ( which is on the increase everyday). Wear a mask and protect any skin which may be exposed to overspray or drift. Better yet, any suggestions for non-harmful methods in irradicating weeeds? Hand pull? Compost material? |
- Posted by Michael_ut z5 Ut (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 19:29
I find it hard to believe that such a simple question can turn into this kind of platform for eco-friendly terrorists to attack those of us who choose to use chemicals to assist us in the removal of undesirable weeds in our own landscapes. You do not have the right to tell me, or anybody else that we are destroying the planet by using these chemicals just because you think that we are. You need to be educated about what you are telling people. Unfortunatly, somebody might believe you in your ignorance. Have fun with your gardening endeavors while you still have the right to do so. |
Roundup is toxic to human consumption. Actually, aspirin has a lower LD50 (more toxic) then Roundup. |
- Posted by Canyon_Home (My Page) on Wed, Apr 20, 05 at 13:45
Shhhhh! They'll take away my aspirin. How many millions have died as a result of the DDT ban which now appears to be junk science? Most of those millions who die of malaria are children by the way. |
"if a poison is designed to kill the hardiest of plants on the planet (weeds) then I hope little children and animals are not in the drift or crawl on the residue." Roundup affects an amino acid pathway found only in plants. And while applicators should always be careful in their applications, once dried, dilute Roundup poses virtually no toxicological risk to children or animals that might encounter the incredibly small post spray residual. Roundup is hardly considered a heavy duty herbicide, there are scores of herbicides that are vastly more powerful and persistant, unlike Roundup which is inactivated once it hits typical garden soil and completely biodegrades over time. The active ingredient in Roundup is rated as "slightly toxic" to "essentially non-toxic" to mammals. The added surfactant (detergent like wetting agent) is rated as having very low toxicity to mammals. And as long as it is not oversprayed or directly added to aquatic sites where the surfactant is toxic to fish, it poses very low health and environmental impacts. This is certainly NOT the case for many other kinds of pesticides. I am NOT cheerleading for pesticide use, and even with Roundup the need for use in the garden should be small to non-existent. But to throw Roundup into the "all pesticides will kill you and the environment" category ignores the true facts and does no on a service. |
I have a couple of comments on this thread which has gone beyond the poster's original question. First, I think comparing glyphosate to aspirin is misleading. Aspirin, taken in small amounts has been shown to be beneficial. The same can't be said about glyphosate. I've seen the same arguement where instead of aspirin, water is used as an example of a chemical that can kill of taken in large doses. Water is essential for life, glyphosate isn't. IOW, you shouldn't compare apples to oranges. Many species of mosquitoes are resistant to DDT. The resistance developed very quickly rendering DDT ineffective. Many plants considered weeds by some, have become resistant to glyphosate. I've read that the longevity of glyphosate and it's ability to move depends on the soil type and temperature. In some cases it was found to active for over two years. Finally, sorry the link doesn't work, so I'm posting this in full to provide some of the latest research findings on the health effects of, in this case Roundup. ***** http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GTARW.phpISIS Press Release 07/03/05 Glyphosate Toxic & Roundup Worse Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins call for urgent regulatory review New research findings are raising serious concerns over the safety of Worse yet, the most common formulation of the herbicide is even more Broad-spectrum herbicide glyphosate (N-(phosphonomethyl)glycine), Glyphosate kills plants by inhibiting the enzyme, An epidemiological study in the Ontario farming populations showed that They have now shown that glyphosate is toxic to human placental cells, The enzyme aromatase is responsible for making the female hormones Interestingly, Roundup increased enzyme activity after 1 h of There is, indeed, direct evidence that glyphosate inhibits RNA New research shows that a brief exposure to commercial glyphosate caused Three recent case-control studies suggested an association between There is now a wealth of evidence that glyphosate requires worldwide References The Institute of Science in Society, PO Box 32097, London NW1 OXR General Enquiries firstname.lastname@example.com - Website/Mailing List **********************************************************************
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Yes, it is a little unfair to compare Aspirin to Roundup, and I did it on purpose in response to this statement, " Roundup is toxic to human consumption,..." Really??? No one I know drinks the stuff but the fact of the matter is that Aspirin does have a lower LD50, making it more toxic. LD50 is the standard measurement so that the apple and orange can be compared... |
The salient point is, you should't compare a medicine which is known to be benenficial to an herbicide having no benefits to human health. These differences need to be taken into account when deciding whether or not to use a product. LD50 is falling into to disfavor for a variety of reasons ... |
- Posted by Canyon_Home (My Page) on Mon, Apr 25, 05 at 10:51
There's a greater risk that your cell phone will kill you or your oven cleaner or peanuts than the residue from Roundup. Get a little perspective here. You can't live in a vacuum sealed world safe from all harm. I'll bet more people have died from weeding than spraying Roundup. Think of the risks. A) You scratch your arm while pulling up nasty weed. Sepsis sets in and you die 2 days later. B)You pull a muscle bending over a nasty patch of bindweed. Blood clot forms, breaks free and goes to brain. You're dead. C) The rusty tool you're using knicks your arm. Tetanus kills you. D)You get dirt on your hands which ends up in your mouth. E-coli bacteria from that steer manure infects you. Three days later you're dead. E) Too much weeding on hot day causes sunstroke. You linger in coma for a month and die. F) You accidentally pull your neighbor's prize plant. He shoots you. Personally, I don't worry at all about spraying a few gallons of Roundup each year. Wear your seatbelt, don't smoke and lose some weight. Those 3 things will be ten million times more effective in saving your life than not using Roundup. |
Herbicides have no benefit to human health? Your subjective opinion. Could be argued that there are non-native, invasive "weeds" that cause allergic reactions or death in humans that are better off eliminated with herbicides... LD50 is falling into to disfavor for a variety of reasons ... Can you post something for all of us to read? I'm curious to know the who and why of this in the scientic community. Is there any other standard to use at this point? Canyon_Home |
You guys are a hoot! Gosh I'm glad I ran a GardenWeb search for growing Indian Paint Brush this morning! Rosa, for the sake of consistency, shouldn't you question Canyons use of subjective opinion instead of documented fact? Tossing in another red herring doesn't really aid in anyone's understanding of the problems with herbicides. Please post as much documented info as you can find regarding the health benfits of injesting, breathing or absorbing herbicide through skin contact. On LD50, for one, LD50 doesn't measure long-term, possibly lethal effects of a dose lower than that required to immediately kill 50% of the participants in the study. There's lots of stuff on the web about this and other problems concerning the accuracy of extracting data gathered on one species and applying it to another. Try a google search if you want to find out more. Canyon, I don't have a cell phone, nor do I use commercial oven cleaner because vinegar works just fine. |
I don't find anything subjective about what Canyon_Home posted-Believe all mentioned are documented killers. But the question is again, what is the chance of those things occurring? Small. When *used as directed* aspirin is not going to kill you neither is Roundup. You are missing the point...the statement that Roundup is toxic to human consumption begs to be answered with, compared to what, exactly? Aspirin, water, bleach, vinegar, DDT, 2,4-D, tetnus, anthrax, OTC drugs made into illicit ones? But yes I do think there is a place for herbicides when used sparingly and as directed. If you don't think I know the problems with herbicides or have a cavalier attitude please think again...I have a valid pesticide applicators lisence and I don't make money from any chemical company by using their products. I make my living by using your tax dollars to kill state and federally listed noxious weeds on public trust lands. Some of the things I've read on this and other forums are just plain outrageous with respect to people not even considering reading a label or asking questions before they poison their veggie crops or end up with unnesessary chemical exposure issues, all from blatent misuse. Just like the misuse of "all natural" herbal remedys, OTC drugs, cars, alcohol, etc...Doesn't mean that no one should be able to use those products, does it? |
Rosa, I think I understand the problem. You said sunshinelovegirl's report that Round-up can move into the groundwater was only her subjective opinion, when in reality this is a fact that can easily be documented. You said my statement that herbicides have no beneficial health effects was a subjective opinion, yet offer no data to refute this. When Canyon says cell phones and oven cleaners are more dangerous than Round-up, you accept his/her subjective opinion unquestioningly. The pattern as I see it is, anyone who doesn't embrace Round-up and its claims of safety you dismiss as non-objective or by a red herring. Round-up is toxic when consumed. I can't think of any reason that the fact can't be accepted as is without looking for comparisons to anything else. If you must, compare it to other herbicides which you will be using in a similar manner for a similar purpose. It seems to me that you more than anyone Rosa because of your profession, would carry a greater responsibility for understanding the latest research concerning problems with herbicides (Round-up). This thread was never about anything but Round-up. |
Well Rosa, It just goes to show, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Just to add something constructive to the post, I sprayed roundup at the recommended application rates to some weeds in our front yard about 2 weeeks ago. It rained about 8 hours later, and the temps have been 50-60/35-40 since then. The weeds just started to turn yellow a couple a days ago, but I can tell it's gonna get em. Oh, and my wife let the Horses into the yard to help a little, about a week ago. They are still breathing just fine! |
I have always thought that those who condem certain practices/products should "walk a mile in their shoes". This goes for those who have never seen the sort of weed problems that exist on the thousands of square miles in the west, and the consequences of doing anything. It is an ecological disaster that has to be seen to be fully appreciated. It goes for those who have never seen mercury poisoning in a child and see no reason to regulate coal burning plants. And those who refute Family Planning and have never been to an over-populated 3rd world country where tens of millions live in conditions we wouldn't keep a pet. Often we have to make decisions on what is the best, as there is no perfect. |
- Posted by lilyroseviolet Maine 4and 5 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 25, 05 at 23:49
Roundup has been controversal since it was first introduced on the market. There are several different types of roundup sold as well...some are much more potent and harsher than others, the average homeowner has a choice of strength to choose from. Having a pesticide application license is not really very difficult to do, however you must go to classes and siminars each year to keep your points and standing. |
Here is a link that might be useful: back in 1998 thought on roundup
I know we are beating a dead horse. People will believe what they want, but I would look cautiously at articles written by eco-activists like Joseph Mendelson (his article sited above). See his connections for yourself. This guy is at the forefront of those accusing big companies and the FDA of bio-terrorism and conspiracy to ruin the environment and poison the food supply. He is very deceptive siting the effects of roundup if you were to drink it or pour it all over animals right out of the bottle as though those were its lingering effects. He is also a lawyer/activist who's organization wants to bring us back to the stone ages and deny the kind of progress and genetic research that has brought you so many of the plants you enjoy (including the crops that have become more and more productive over the years). |
Rosa, just out of curiosity, how many sections do you deal with, and what weeds are your biggest problems? |
Don't know how many sections but combined the properties are over 350,000 acres. Russian knapweed , Tamarisk and African Rue are the biggest of my problems in SE Colorado. Old sheep farm and cattle ranch so the knapweed has been established, oh, probably since the 1930's. The tamarisk is in drainages feeding into the Pergatoire River. The African Rue is a brand new invader. In the Colorado Springs area, it's Canada thistle, Tamarisk, Whitetop, jointed goatgrass, Spotted & diffuse knapweed, yellow toadflax, russian olive. There are others (houndstounge, St johns wort) but in such small quantities that hand pulling is the norm. And others I just don't have the money to deal with right now like most of the tamarisk. We have an established Biological control programs with insects on Canada & Musk thistles, Spotted and Diffuse knapweed, and bindweed. Will be releasing insects on Russian thistle and yellow toadflax this year, and still waiting (along with everyone else) on insects for Tamarisk. |
Wow, I didn't know tamarisk was on the eastern slope, shows I need to travel some more. I'll look up African Rue, something I havn't heard of. Most of the rest are around here too. |
Actaully, there are a couple of recorded tamarisk patches (single trees) at elevations around 9000' on the east slope. Suprised the heck outta me. The Arkanas River drainage is pretty infested with Tamarisk and have the only two experimental biological control sites in the state at this point. African Rue aka Syrian Rue (Peganum harmala) is a newcomer and unfortunately we have the *only* existing population in the state. Beautiful plant-you would really want this in your yard!! As far as we can figure it came up from NM on vehicles servicing a gas pipline. |
- Posted by Henry_Kuska z5 OH (email@example.com) on Thu, May 12, 05 at 3:26
The following thread contains abstracts of published reviewed scientific papers concerning some of the glyphosate/RoundUp points raised in this thread: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/weeds/msg0214083229284.html |
Here is a link that might be useful: link for above
- Posted by emmettacres idaho (My Page) on Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 17:18
hello fellow gardeners. I have really had alot of fun, and learned a bunch, reading the many different questions and follow-ups on a wide variety of subjects since getting a membership to "Garden Web" for a Christmas present. Sooo, here is my two-cents worth to the Round-up question. We have been working for the last three years landscaping over 4 acres which was horse/cattle pasture for decades. Before that the land was used by native americans for hunting and fishing. The acreage is bordered on two sides by BLM land that is totally ignored by that department. Cheatgrass has invaded many acres including ours. We have also "distrubed" the virgin soil which has brought to the surface a whole host of weed seeds. OK now I am ducking and heading for cover because I am going to confess we have used many gallons of Round-Up trying to get the weeds and cheatgrass under control. We tried to mow the weeds but ran into to many hidden rocks; we hired local teenage workers to pull weeds but after we passed the $1000 wage mark (just this year) we had to reconsider; we tried solar kill (laying plastic and let the heat kill weeds) which worked that year but they came back as soon as we tilled again the next year. Now that we have pulled as many weeds as possible this year maintenance will be with Round-Up. Local folks in the know tell us to hang in there as the weed problem will deminish greatly each year and our use of roundup. We are, a section at a time, getting ground cover in place which is stopping the re-grow. Yes, we did decide to use landscaping cloth under bark and stone ground cover. Guess time will only tell if it was a smart move or not. Now, if your not asleep with this long disertation, our final comment which goes back to the original question. Two hours of hot direct sun jump starts the demiss of the pesky weeds. Usually see curling or yellowing the following day. Rain within the same day hasn't seemed to stop the process. The warmer it is the faster it works. Next spring we are starting our spraying as soon as temps hit 50 degrees and we see greening of the weeds. We will continue to spray into the ajoining BLM land then burn the dead and dried plants re-seeding with native grasses to help curb the take-over. All possible precautions are taken when doing this-calm day, hoses/water at hand, grass seed from local ag group. So final answer: follow all directions when using any product, use protective gear, pull as many weeds as possible by hand before they go to seed for a natural approach, burn with caution, and read and education yourself while staying open minded to both sides of the forum. |
- Posted by SheilaGail_NV 8 NV (My Page) on Sun, Jun 19, 05 at 15:48
I hope all the knowledgeable people here can help me with our Tamarisk invasion on my property in Las Vegas NV. We cut them to the stumps and have been advised to use Roundup Brush. I cannot find this here in NV and on the net I see Roundup Pro, and a lot of conflict. We must get these out of here as we are on well water with a limited ground source. Besides, they're killing our lawn. Also, we have animals in these areas and I am concerned about weeks of treatment and toxicity. And I hear they are so hard to kill it will be an ongoing project for years. Any advice? And we thought they were so pretty. Instant landscaping. Such beautiful flowers. Sigh. Thanks for any help. Sheila |
SheilaGail_NV, I live in NLV & use the evil round up pro (just bought the 6.8 lb jug / 72gallons :O ). One problem is it is so hot right now weeds can start to die too quickly & the ru is not being absorbed by the roots & they come back (at least my horse thistle does).Here's a link to the Nevada Dept. of Agriculture http://agri.state.nv.us/PLANT_NoxWeeds_index.htm See the Nevada Noxious Weed Field Guide for a wealth of info on identifying & treating our weeds. OP my experiece is ru doesn't work too well at lower temps but the pro has EXTRA evil chemicals that kill the foliage quicker. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Weed Index
- Posted by jeremywildcat (My Page) on Tue, Aug 31, 10 at 16:40
5 years later and Sheila got her advice... ;) |
I drove down McElmo canyon this past weekend where they have a whole lotta tamarisk and have introduced the bug that munches it. It does seem to be effective, because there was defoliated tamarisk everywhere. |
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As I stated in my other thread , I have been teased over my AVs' by my male friends (not that I care) . But I thought I would , as a MAN LOL , take a stand on the colors and stated NO PINK . I received a bunch of leaf sets from a friend and one was called "Pretty N' Pink" . Because it was pink I only propagated one leaf which produced one baby so I promised it to my Mother . That is until I did a search on line ...... |
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Mike ... I've got lots of pinks ... AND lots of blues. Go buy your mother a nice Optimara. |
I have lot's of blues myself . You are reading my mind , I was thinking about running down to Lowe's and picking up an Optimara for her . The "NO PINK" was supposed to be a joke , I am just not crazy about pink flowers . |
This post was edited by Phillip44 on Thu, Aug 15, 13 at 11:40
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (email@example.com) on Thu, Aug 15, 13 at 12:40
Phillip, 'Pretty N' Pink' is a beauty. Is PNP the violet's true name or did you make it up as a joke? Whichever, it sure is pretty and pink... Are you going to keep it? lol.. |
Hopeful , that was the name that was on the label when I received them in the mail . I am going to keep it and purchase my Mother an Optimara from a local big box store . |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Thu, Aug 15, 13 at 15:22
Phillip,, there you go. :) Does your mom collect plants? Will she notice the difference? lol Funny you're speaking of Optimara plant. Optimara has/d two plants I wanted. Isabelle and Annebelle. Good luck, with your AV. Toni |
Mom doesn't collect , she loves houseplants and wants to try her hand at AVs' . |
but are they really ... "blues" and ... "yellows" I decided I cannot afford to get hooked on AVs. I'm out of space. Hmmm .... there aren't 'quite' as many chimeras ... And I loval all the Russian, Ukranian, Polska stuff ... I'm a sucker, born every minute. dave |
Toni , I too have my eye on an Optimara , one from their state series . I want the Kentucky . If you are looking for Optimara plants have you tried http://www.selectivegardener.com ? They have both the Annabelle and Isabelle . |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (email@example.com) on Fri, Aug 16, 13 at 10:50
Phillip...your lucky your mom likes plants. My mother HATED plants, wouldn't allow them in the house. My father didn't like the scent of flowers. He said they reminded him of a funeral home. I think he meant Easter Lily. Dave...Polska AV's? Really? I've heard of Chimeras and Russian violets, but never heard or saw Uk and Polskas. One day, I would like to get a Chimera...the type w/flowers that look like spinning wheels. I do not have space either. My Motto: There's room for one more. :) Phillip...When you go to Optimara's webite, then click on Order, it takes you to Selective Gardener. You want Ky. I want Belles. The reason I didn't order Belles via SG...can't recall if I read or heard if SG doesn't have the violet ordered, they substitute. I do not want substitues. If you don't mind substitutes, 'if Ky is unavailable,' you can order through SG's site. Good luck, Toni |
Toni , Thanks for the tip . I order Optimara soil and ferts from SG but not plants . And I agree , I want what I order too . I hate substitutions , it would be like ordering a horror novel on Amazon and they send me a cook book instead , because a book is a book ! This happened on another site (an Amazon competitor), I ordered a movie , they were out of stock so they sent me a completely different movie , and in Spanish to boot . The Kentucky is one of their "State series" . It has deep blue flowers . |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 16, 13 at 11:35
Toni, My mother had the same feelings about flowers. Hers wasn't Easter Lily; it was Hyacinths! Hyacinths have a wonderful scent but I was never allowed to have one. Fortunately, my Dad was a plant nerd so I received this gift of an appreciation of flowers from him. Linda |
Polska => Poland ^ _ * dkb |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Fri, Aug 16, 13 at 16:56
Phillip. I'd be so angry. I enjoy horror books/movies..if they sent a cooking show/book in another language to boot, they'd get a call yesterday. I can't believe someone would do that to you. Was it a legit company? Of all things! When I buy books, I want the book I ordered, not a novel 'x' company assumed I'd enjoy reading. Same applies to plants..plus, they'd probably send a plant I have...and I sure don't want duplicates. Whenever I order, I write, in the Additional Information Bow, 'Please, No substitutes'..even if the company vows they don't. Are deep blue flowers, true blue or purple? Linda...thank goodness for your dad. :) So, you get your love of plants on your dads side. Dkb. I know what Polska means, lol. I meant I never saw or heard of a Polish violet. |
Interesting, I've ordered a number of leaves and plants from Poland with no issues. Perhaps the purveyor appropriated the proper permits and proliferation of Polish paperwork ... *he said with intuitive alliteration* Dave |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 17, 13 at 1:12
I buy my Russian varieties from a Polish woman. Everything takes about a week to get here, (Ohio) and her plants/leaves are always very healthy and well-packed. She is a delight to buy from. Linda |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (email@example.com) on Sat, Aug 17, 13 at 13:49
Afternoon All, Dave, too funny. Six P's in one sentence. Very good. Dave, how does one find plants/leaves from other countries? Sellers did the paperwork/certicate. BTW, my brother's MIL, somehow brought plant from Poland to the states. Actually, the plant in the pic is a cutting from her plant..She gave me a 7" cutting, 1994. Linda. How interesting. Does she sell plants other than violets? A man who lives in Germany sold two, 4", very rare Crassula/Jade cuttings to a friend. US$ 175.00! Guess you have to know people. :) |
Toni: ebay search on samaronsander she sells leaves/plants. sometimes sends a gift one, unless that is the norm in this hobby/passion/addiction/obsession/endeavor/money-sucking thing to do ... dave |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 18, 13 at 2:07
Samaronsander is who I buy from. I think she also sells streps. Her plants are always healthy. Yes, Dave, including extras is a usual practice in this hobby/passion/addiction/obsession/endeavor/money-sucking thing. It is to lure you even further in this hobby/passion/addiction/obsession/endeavor/money-sucking thing by tempting you to buy from them rather than another. I have noticed it seems to be more common with US growers than with those from Europe. I recently bought from Blue Mountain Violets on E Bay. He included several leaves in addition to the beautiful blooming plants I bought. Linda P.S. Dave, in the future we should make sure we are not bidding against each other! |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 18, 13 at 2:12
Dave, Another thought: if you really want a hobby/passion/addiction/obsession/endeavor/money-sucking hobby, try orchids...As my Grandmother would say"...too late smart." Linda |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Sun, Aug 18, 13 at 11:56
Morning Everyone, Dave, although I've been an Ebay'er, 13-years, I still don't know how to find a seller by name. Do you type in a sellers name in the search box? I tried doing that before. All sorts of odds & ends popped up. lol. The two violets I want are Optimara Belle series. Does the Polish lady sell Optimara plants? Since it's been years rooting leaves, don't know if I can get them to root. Too bad there aren't fragrant violets? Or are there? Toni |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 18, 13 at 18:15
Toni, I agree with you-E Bay needs to make searching sellers easier. In the meantime, here is an URL for an item she is selling-http://www.ebay.com/itm/121159982723?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649. Once you find her you can check out her other items and save her to your favorites. African violets produce no scent. Scents in flowers are an aid to attracting pollinators, along with color and shape. Flowers that are bee pollinated tend to smell sweet as that is what attracts bees. Plants that are pollinated by flies will often smell like rotting flesh. If a particular flower species does not contain the genetics for scent, it will never produce scent. If the scent is a recessive gene, it may be made to express itself through hybridizing. I have never read anywhere what the natural pollinator of violets is, but given their propensity to throw suckers and the ease of rooting leaves, I would guess that violets are not particularly reliant on pollinators and therefore, have no need for scent. Biology lesson for today. And you all wonder why my family goes comatose when I talk plants... Linda P,S, Don't bid against me!!! |
Linda: uh, have orchids too. But only one of each type, to see which will grow for me ... catt ...phal ...pot ...even gotta flask from fla I am trying. AVs are much nicer looking, as orchids are unwieldily and take up precious space under the skylights better left for AVs how do I know its you on ebay, I guess I'll have to email you. my 'rating' is 288. what is yours, 86? 147? dave |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Mon, Aug 19, 13 at 1:56
Dave, I have to agree with you about orchids. It is a lot of work tending to a plant that only blooms for you once a year. And they're not especially attractive when out of bloom. But, still, I persist. I have mostly Paphs and Phrags and a few Habenarias. I would like to try Draculas but I have enough frustration in my life right now. In 2007 I was invited to be a student judge at the Tokyo International Orchid Show which is the largest in the world. It was quite an experience and, except for the twelve hour plane ride, a lot of fun. And I only took 714 pictures! Linda |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Mon, Aug 19, 13 at 11:07
Good Morning, All, Linda, you sure know a LOT about plants' biology. I was aware bees pollinated, but not flies. Ironic. Funny you should mention flies. Although it's the wrong time of year, yesterday I spent several hours repotting indoor plants, outside. I lifted three plants off a table, Pachypodiums. I wondered why there have been so many flies in the yard. We have Trumpet Vine, 'don't bother buying this plant, it's way too invasive,' which attracts flies. However, I 'assumed' it coincidence. I've been summering indoor plants outside 20+-yrs, but there's never been vast amounts of flies. Ever. Ants, yes, but not flies. I wondered about 'yellow' violets..Same with blues. There are 'true' blue flowers, but most are purple, labeled blue. Linda, thanks for the url. Guess I copy and paste on browser? For some reason the address didn't show as a clickable link. Thanks, I'll have to check this woman's plants. Some people find sellers in seconds. Wish I knew their secret. lol. Linda, at least you have a family, even if you drive them up the wall talking about plants..Consider youself blessed. Dave...I too have a few, basic Orchids. One Dendrobium blooms 4-5 times a year..Or use to. It's been in the same, wooden basket since 1998. We'd best make sure we don't bid against each other. :) |
- Posted by whitelacey 6 (My Page) on Mon, Aug 19, 13 at 12:40
Toni, Your dendrobium needs re-potting. Just like violets, they need fresh material in which to grow. You can reuse the same pot if your 6' is too large. For a reason I have never figured out, light purple is called blue in flower descriptions. The only reason I can figure for this is that it distinguishes from dark purple. Cut and paste on your browser. If you can't find her, let me know. (Don't bid against me!) Lots of things are pollinators: bees, flies, moths, wasps, hummingbirds and sometimes, inadvertently, people, dogs, cats, deer, etc. Plants of lower morphology are wind-pollinated. Pollination by a living organism is a relatively recent occurrence on the evolutionary scale. I am not familiar with Pachypodium's pollinator so I found this cool You Tube video. It's just 32 seconds; check it out. Usually anything that is pollinated by flies smells so horrible that they are not used as houseplants or even close-to-your-house outdoor plants. There are a few orchids that are grown that have a bad odor that people grow but just a few. I think the reason there are so many flies, mosquitoes and other nasties this year is the mild winter we had last year. It rarely went below 40 degrees and that is not cold enough to kill off the insects. Mosquitoes this year are horrible here. You live in the same general area as I do so I am wondering if you had the same winter we did. As much as I hate to say it, we need a cold winter to give us a nice summer next year. Trumpet Vine (Campsis radicans) is hummingbird pollinated. Monday's biology lesson finished. Linda |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pachypodium
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International Programs is a part of the Student Retention and College life department, which is supervised by Manuel Guerra. If you need an appointment to see Manuel, please contact Yesica Navarro, Administrative Assistant.
Office: 503.399.5141 | Cell: 503.428.0399 | E-mail
Teter serves as the Director International Programs and coordinates International Education opportunities for Chemeketa. She serves as the Principal Designated School Official (PDSO) for Chemeketa.
She also can be contacted regarding the following items–
Office: 503.315.4290 | Cell: 503.551.9305 | E-mail
Sheila coordinates the Chemeketa Language and Culture Institute (CLACI). Sheila assists all CLACI students with the following items–
Office: 503.399.2527 | E-mail
William is the primary admission and recruitment processor for international students wanting to study at Chemeketa and he assists with the following:
Office: 503.365.4649 | E-mail
Paco is the primary advisor for international students taking college level classes and he assists with the following:
Office: 503.399.5147 | E-mail
Yesica assists Student Retention & College Life and International Programs with administrative support.
Office: 503.365.4686 | E-mail
These student leaders work with International and local students. They provide information, assist with orientations and events. Work schedules are available each term.
They also assist with the following items–
If you would like more information about attending Chemeketa, please E-mail International Programs or call 503.365.4686 or fax 503.365.4768.


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New International Reader's Version (NIRV) | New International Version (NIV) |
46 How terrible it will be for you, Moab! Those who worship Chemosh are destroyed. Your sons are being taken to another country. Your daughters are taken away as prisoners. | 46 Woe to you, O Moab! The people of Chemosh are destroyed; your sons are taken into exile and your daughters into captivity. |
Holy Bible, New International Reader's Version® Copyright © 1995, 1996, 1998 by Biblica. All rights reserved worldwide. (New International Reader's Version Bible Online) | Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NIV) are from THE HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®. NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica. All rights reserved worldwide. (New International Version Bible Online) |


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Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) | New International Version (NIV) |
22 But I tell you that anyone who nurses anger against his brother will be subject to judgment; that whoever calls his brother, `You good-for-nothing!' will be brought before the Sanhedrin; that whoever says, `Fool!' incurs the penalty of burning in the fire of Gei-Hinnom! | 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. |
Complete Jewish Bible Copyright 1998 by David H. Stern. Published by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc. All rights reserved. Used by permission. (The Complete Jewish Bible Online) | Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NIV) are from THE HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®. NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica. All rights reserved worldwide. (New International Version Bible Online) |


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