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Patrick, going forward I would recommend doing your LT runs on the road. You need to learn to hold a pace on your own. Learning to keep focus is important in a marathon.
Definitely second-ing this! Also, this could solve (or at least significantly help) your positive split pacing issues.
You know what? I'm going to trust the fastest dude here.
Slammin - if I want to do the truth workout for a 6:30/mi marathon, it would be: 4@7:30 6@6:30 4@6:50 6@6:20 2@7:30 right? I'm game for that.
RunMapleRun - woohoo!!! go for it man, even dkggpeters didn't go for this "truth" test :-). So, you will be the first one. Especially I am curious how you can hold on 6:20 6-miler... But, according to Slammin, if you do that, you can run 6:30 mpm marathon. Good luck and let us know, of course...
Patrick - it's hard to say, your weekly mileage looks perfect, your long run times are impressive too - I was not able to run them at 7:30 (but, I also run 8-10 miles every week @ MP). I would second dkggpeters and jacob on focus issue during marathon race and hard workouts. I think focusing during a race is 30-40% of the good race. As soon as I loose a focus during hard efforts run, I am slowing down. And that's why I have a hard time to understand all that stuff about picturesque courses , I really don't have time and energy to pay attention to those . I find treadmill runs kind of easier most of the time - maybe because, as you correctly mentioned, you don't need to spend your energy on staying focused. I would recommend maybe to try Hansons approach for the next cycle - it introduces 6 mi @ MP at the beginning and then goes smoothly to 10 @ MP. 6 @ MP at the start of the cycle are always harder for me than 10, at the end. For this coming race (yes, I also running Chicago in 3 weeks), if I were you, I still would try and go sub 3, given a good weather. Your mileage is impressive and you kept it for a long time and, in general your run paces are pretty good. HM time also suggests you good to go for sub 3.
Mikkey - pretty nice race!
Slammin - as usual, great race! Congrats on first Masters!
Patrick, the mileage is there, the speed is there and Chicago is a flat course. You should be able to go out relatively easy, hit the half right at 1:30 and the rest is up to you.
Marathon PR: 2:53:59. Half Marathon: 1:21:38 10k: 36:42. 5k:17:35
Another week of measuring and analyzing the irrelevant minutia of my mediocrity.
Mo - 6.3 @ 8:05
Tu - 6.3 @ 7:35
We - 9.2 @ 7:01
Th - 6.2 @ 7:42
Fr - 5.3 @ 7:46
Sa - 16.5 @ 7:51
Su - 4.2 recovery @ 8:42
Total - 54 miles
Also passed 500 miles on another set of shoes. RIP Kinvara 3s.
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated
2015 Goals: FM-2:49:59, HM-PR, 10M-58:59, 10K-35:59, 5K-16:59, Miles-2900
The way I see it is there are two (maybe three) broad approaches I need to choose between here.
1) Slow base building focused on getting the mileage up followed by a shorter race specific training cycle. (Daniels approach)
2) Spend some time attacking shorter distances, maybe planning for a half marathon in December followed by a shorter marathon cycle. I think this is more of the Hudson approach. This might also be the "endless season" that Timmah referenced. I like the idea of doing a half marathon in December or January, then focusing on Boston.
3) Endless season? Is this different from number 2?
1. I think, ideally, base building isn't all slow. If you're coming from scratch, maybe, but since you have a bunch of running behind you there's no reason to lose what you have. Lydiard, Daniels, Vigil basically do similar things: run mostly easy but do some neuromuscular stuff: hill sprints, drills, etc. Just stay away from tempos and really long runs for a few weeks.
2. I like this option. Hudson would shoot for peaks at specific race distances, much different from...
3. Endless season is great if you're a serial racer and want to be able to jump into a lot of competitions at a variety of distances.
I doubt 1 and 2 (or 1 and 3) are mutually exclusive, it's just a question of sequence.
Having followed Patrick's training over in the sub-3:10 thread for a while, now +1 to this. Hopefully this doesn't make me sound like a jerk, but the problems with MP seem like a mental block to me. You've been on 80+ mpw for a while, do the very fast tempos, and have been knocking out some very fast/long LRs as well. I think you're selling yourself short if you do anything but aim for a 1:30 first half and then re-assess from there. Coupled with the mileage, a 1:24:xx HM certainly implies that you've got the fitness to make a sub3 happen.
Agreed. Patrick's paces are a little confusing but he's as close or closer to sub 3 than I am and has more MPW. Patrick, you just need the mental confidence. Sometimes that's the difference between a 3:10 and a sub 3 race. Just know you've got it. Hammer a couple 10 mile MP runs in the next two weeks and go run sub 3 in Chicago. Do it.
dkg: 2 weeks is not enough time to recover from a 10 mile MP run? Good to know.
I did an 11 mile MP run 2 days before my last 10k race. And then a 17.5 miler the day after that same 10k race. Idiot. At least that was back in April and I have learned a lot since then.
Patrick, I agree that given the limited numbers you've shared with us, you have to at least try for sub 3. It looks like you've got a good shot at it and it will come down to some good weather and good execution. What training philosophy do you tend to follow? No MP miles plus a workout that has 7 miles at your 10k race pace smells a little off. What was the structure of that workout? 12x1000m @10k? I'd like to do a workout like that one day, but I don't think I'd call it an LT workout.
Good luck. Can I put you on the list for 2:59:59, or are you still deciding?
PR's: 5K - 17:16, 10K - 37:06 (HM Split), HM - 1:18:14, M - 2:55:58
2015 Goals: Sub 35 10k, Sub 2:50 marathon
RunMapleRun, thanks for the kind words but Holland207 and RunCogRun ran faster than I did.
There is also Pablo so the forum has some fast guys. I'm just the most talkative.
Back to the truth run, the 1st four is an easy warm up and the last 2 an easy cool down.
The last two do not need to be added in the prediction run time. Those are yours to run as slow as you please. That said you can run the first four @ 7:30-8:00. But you have to hold the pace. Meaning all four at 7:30 or all four at 8:00. The middle four is marathon pace plus 35 seconds. so for you it would be 7:05. 7:00 will work as well.
4@7:30 6@6:30 4@7:05 6@6:20 2@8:30.
Let me know how it goes. I will be doing mine this weekend.
Like DKG, I too would have done the same. My 10K race are always a means to an end. Quality without having to do it in the middle of a 14 miler. I did 22 miles today (Hilly easy16 Miler; 6 miles easy) after yesterdays 10K. I also did a 5.5 mile cool down after yesterdays 10K then 7 miles easy in the evening.
Who was it Swamp?? or DKG?? Who did a 95 Mile week and was very disappointed they didn't get a 10K PR at the end of the week?? A lot of us are nuts.
CalsBearFan - Thanks I had a good time. Got to observe the elite women real close. They worked as a group then at four miles. They turn into home wreckers and broke up the happy family. It was every woman for herself. There is no lead out like in a Peloton, its like a breakaway and long sprint.
DKG - Hansons plan has 10 mi @ MP on Thursday, 10 days before the race. Worked pretty good for two cycles for me.
Slammin - you guys compete on totally different level. Most of us are amateurs here .
Patrick - I agree with DKG - stick with the plan you are doing at the moment. But see if you can change it to something different for the next cycle. You told us yourself what you think your weak areas are. So, work on them, eliminate them and you will become much more "balanced" runner.
Swamp - nice 5K time after solid week. Congrats on 1st AG and OA placement.
Had a pretty good week:
Mo - 11.1 @ 8:!3
Tu - 13.2 @ 7:17 - with 2 x 3 @ 6:13, 6:12
We - off
Th - 15.1 @ 6:55 - with 10 @ 6:30
Fr - 11.1 @ 7:50
Sa - 11.1 @ 7:54
Su - 20.1 @ 7:26
Total: 81.7 mi
Slammin - '4@7:30 6@6:30 4@7:05 6@6:20 2@8:30.'
Gulp. Game time. I like your race-early-and-often strategy. I get really jumpy in races and it leads to pacing issues. I love the idea of hopping in some throwaway races and hammering if its there, coasting if it isn't. Nothing to lose unless you get headstrong. Also, it seems like so much more fun to 'race' versus 'time trial'.
calbearsfan - That is a really nice week. 3/3 on the workouts and awesome mileage.
Everyone – Thanks very much for all the feedback. This is fantastic, very helpful.
I don't want to take up too much more of your time on this, but to explain a couple of loose points, the hour-long LT treadmill runs are structured with all fast miles at the end, so, they're a certain time spent warming up to 6:00 pace (say 24:00, 30:00 or 36:00) then the remainder spent at 6:00 pace. I understand you think that's too fast. I read some of the posts last night and feeling particularly refreshed was able to run a hard 10.0 at 6:39 pace. So that is comparable (probably a little better due to slight reduction in mileage the last two weeks) on pavement to the effort on the treadmill. Didn't feel as hard as running my 5 warm-up + 10 at 6:50 pace. The structure of my training evolved from ramping up mileage in anticipation of following Pfitz 85. It was just so fatiguing that I chose to keep meeting the 80 mpw criteria and keeping my longer LRs, but I wasn't able to incorporate the detailed workouts. And then got resigned to the rhythm of Monday LTs, Tuesday-Wednesday MLRs, Thursday Friday GA/recovery, Saturday LR.
Anyway, enough about me (I'm hard for me to figure out too), I'm in awe of the consistent fast paces at high mileage here. We're no slouches in sub-3:10, but this is a different league. Good luck to you all (actually, looking forward to possibly meeting calbearsfan, dankelley and anyone else at Chicago) and thanks again. I'll let you know how it goes in Chicago.
A couple of things: 1. I can't wait to see what DKGG pulls off this upcoming weekend. and 2. Just started my first week of taper in the 18/85 plan, and I have a question about the tune up race that the schedule calls for this upcoming saturday. I won't be able to run a race so I am looking for some suggestions for that day. I have no desire to do a time trial because I am sure I will be upset with it. So I was thinking about 9-11 miles with 4-5 at MP. Maybe start off at MP, and desc a little to a strong finish. I am open to other suggestions though.
I agree. Those 10 mile mp runs become pretty routine after you've done them for 3 months. They are pretty hard if you're not used to them. I second calbearsfan's recommendation for Patrick to consider a Hansons' style approach for a future marathon if he has pacing issues this time around. It really hammers that pace home.
Someone did the comparison once, and Hansons has 120 miles of MP running vs 40ish for Pfitzinger. I also like how Hansons embraces specificity a lot better than Pfitzinger. The fact that Pfitz does vo2 stuff at the end, tempos at hour race pace, and so many tune up races makes it seem like it forgets it's a marathon training program.
I'm in HM training mode now, so my workouts are a bit different than most on here but Daniel's give you the option of doing either a workout or a 10K during the third mesocycle. The workouts on my plan look something like this:
The reps and distances could be more or less depending on what your fitness is. The idea with these workouts is that they stimulate all of the different systems (Daniels' T, I, and R paces) - all of which you'll likely use during a tuneup 10K race.
PR's: 5K - 16:18, 10K - 35:12, HM - 1:18:39, M - 2:43:37
2013 Goals: 5K - 16:30 (7/28/2013), 10K - 35:00, HM - 1:15, M - 2:45 (4/15/13)
I'm in for Chicago. My work conflict just went away on Friday. But I need to re-evaulate my goal. I've missed seven days of running in the past 30. While I managed to run a 1:22:48 half during that time, I'm not sure the endurance is there to take a run at 2:55. So, I think I'll shoot for sub-3 (even that's probably optimistic).
PRs: Marathon: 2:58:30 (Chicago 2013); Half-Marathon: 1:22:48 (9/13); 10K: 37:18 (5/13); 5K: 17:57 (7/13)
I'm running Chicago, but am still recovering from Lehigh Valley, so I haven't yet picked a goal. If I feel recovered by then, I'll probably start at 6:50 pace and see how that goes.
I tried to find a costume to run in, but ran out of time to both get the costume and practice in it. Suggestions for running-friendly costumes welcomed.
I've been working more than 80 hours per week over the past six weeks, so I'm way behind on this thread. My training also has been spotty. But I'm running Chicago anyway and my week last week looked like this:
Mon: 8 miles easy at 8:30 pace
Tue: 11 miles with 2x3 miles at 6:25 pace (MP -15 seconds) with a mile jog between the two reps
Wed: 6 miles easy (8:25 pace)
Thurs: 8 miles -- aborted marathon pace run due to severe thunderstorm. Ran 5.5 miles at MP (6:40) before the storm hit. Was supposed to be 14 miles with middle 10 at MP, which I did . . .
Fri: 14 miles, with middle 10 at MP (averaged 6:40 per mile).
Sat: 6 miles easy (7:55 pace)
Sun: 18 miles; averaged 7:22 per mile
Total: 71 miles
Mileage PR for me. I feel like I'm cramming for a final in college. I have one more 70 mile week this week and then 10 days of "tapering" (though I'm not really sure what I'm tapering down from). Chicago is going to be a disaster for me, but what the heck. I might as well give it a shot.
well done Frank and Dan on your races. sorry if i've missed anyone else. loads of excellent running and even some decent advice being dished out as usual on this thread.
I am not running Berlin or any other race this year. my groin (and quad) muscle has sidelined me since the start of august. i am never signing up for a marathon whose name begins with a B again. so i am signing up for a marathon next april that begins with Z. i have worked my ass off in the pool and on the bike and in the gym and i hope this "active recovery" will pay dividends when i get back running.
good luck desi and Greg in berlin next sunday.
M: 2:58:57 (2012/11) HM: 1:26:44 (2009/10) 10k 36:43 (2013/04)
2013 Goals: sub 1:20 HM, sub 2:47 M and sub 36 10KM.
Dan - I think that's a good plan. I think 6:50 is a good starting pace, and I think you'll have no problem holding it. If Nils was still around he'd be telling you how awesome it is to run two marathons so close together. Also, in the Pfitz book, there are several examples of where he had PR marathons shortly after a previous marathon.
ChicagoJP - glad to hear you're clear of the work stuff. I don't think you'll have any problem going sub 3. It will be pretty hard for you to pick a goal though. Good luck.
Carlbrad - did you ever find out what was wrong with your leg? I thought it was a calf issue.
PiwiKiwi, can we get an update on your goal time? 3:00 is going to be a Sunday stroll for you. Man up.
throughout the week.
Maple - I was just thinking the same thing as you. When are you doing the Truth run? If that goes well, I'm putting you down for 2:50.
frank2000: Maple - I was just thinking the same thing as you. When are you doing the Truth run? If that goes well, I'm putting you down for 2:50.
I'm still 4 weeks out and in no hurry to set a goal. I'm going to do the Truth Run on Sunday, then we'll see.
I will say this though:
a) (relatively) new runner b) 1:21 HM c) 3:09 FM
None of those gets me to 2:50. Maybe 2:52.
a) (relatively) new runner b) 1:23:29 HM c) 3:12 FM d) 2:55:58
If you pull off the "truth" run at 6:30 pace, let's split the difference and put you down for a 2:50:59
Next question: Still trying to figure out my Winter plans. I think in a perfect world, I would have a local half marathon on Jan 12th. That would give me 2 recovery weeks, 10 weeks of marathon training, 2 weeks of taper, then Boston. The closest thing I can find is an indoor half marathon on Jan 26th. Would I be crazy to run an indoor arena half marathon (from an injury perspective)? Would it even count as a PR if I got one?
Do the Hampton Half on 2/23. It's 8 weeks before Boston, a great time frame for a fitness test.
carlbrad - Bummer that you are not running Berlin. Heal up soon and good luck.
I believe my fitness has improved since 3:05 at Chicago last year but I'm not sure if there is enough improvement for sub-3 (my tune up races were warm/humid to give me a good feedback). I think it will be close. I will start off with 10-12 sec slower than 3:00 pace for 1st two miles and see if I feel good enough to settle into 3:00 pace.
Haven't heard from Greg for a while in this thread and so I don't know if we get to meet at Berlin
PRs: 5k: 18:23(7/14) 20k: 1:21(8/12) HM: 1:23(9/14) FM: 2:59(10/14)
Up Next: London 2015
frank2000: 'Would I be crazy to run an indoor arena half marathon (from an injury perspective)? Would it even count as a PR if I got one?'
You should do it on a treadmill. Best of both worlds. Better cushioning than asphault, warmer than an indoor track.
Seriously, if you can find it in yourself to go 53 laps I would have no problem with you claiming it as a PR.
Frank - you became even more active after hitting sub-3. What is that, post-race anxiety?
Desi - I am pretty sure Greg will be there, no way he skips the opportunity to be among the short list of people who ran all majors in one year.
Have a HM next weekend that I plan to race and am running with a friend who is racing a 10 miler this weekend. His pace is ~7:45. I'd like to race the 10 miler but I know that would impact my HM a week later and I think my friend wants me to run with him. Never not raced a race I entered and never paced anyone. Dos and don'ts? It would be fun to light up mile 10 as fast I can but I assume that's a don't.
I don't remember your race schedule, but, I think, if you have something like more than 5-6 weeks till your marathon, I would race both distances. Just race 10 mi all out and then don't do any quality runs for the next week until your HM - just easy runs. You should be fine. I would be. And, I believe, you are younger than me, so, you should recover faster. Even if your 10 mi race impacts your HM effort, 10 mi will still be a good indicator of your current fitness. I understand it's not ideal, but I don't see a big problem either. Have fun!
Didn't you just come off an injury? If so then I wouldn't race both.
I don't think it was "there is no try". It was either raven or lfp, I believe...
Not an injury. Unless you consider pneumonia an injury. It's going away...slowly. I probably could recover from the 10 in a week. But my buddy wants company while he suffers at his race pace. Marathon not until Nov so no worry there.
There is no Try - as DKG also confirmed, just don't do any quality workouts the next week after 10 mi, you should be fine then. Plus, I am not sure I understood you clearly, but if you running together with your buddy at 7:45 pace, then it's a walk in the park for you, that's not a big deal at all then. Or I didn't understand what you mean by "having a company" then .
If you think that you still have pneumonia then I wouldn't race until it was cleared up. I have no problem with racing with a cold.
Thanks Calbear and Dkg. I'm still on the drugs to kill the pneumonia. I'll run at my buddies pace and help him stay on track. I never run or race with anyone so this will be a new experience for me. Just gotta make sure I don't talk too much and annoy him. Ha.
Frank: Running an indoor HM sounds horrible to me. It will be hot and stuffy and mind numbing. Pick one outside.
Chicago JP: Your last week points to an easy sub 3 IMHO.


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This is a great concealer. It reminds me a bit of ELDW consistency and coverage wise. It has very good coverage. It comes out a bit creamy but then it 'sets'. You shouldn't use too much otherwise it'll get cakey, but because of the good coverage you don't need to use much anyway. A little goes a long way and it does a great job of concealing my very bad dark circles. It also lasts all day. I'm not too sure if it would be best for people with dry under eye skin though. I'd recommend Rimmel Match Perfection for that.
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Just heard a loud THUMP just outside my front door. I ran out to see if a large tree had fallen in the yard. Or perhaps a truck crashed into my house. No, it was just the 200 lb. RH catalog(s). Have they gone crazy?? |
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Ha! I've been meaning to post about this, too, since I received my "thump" last week. I'm an old-school (early 1990s) RH fan from before their Belgian/Gustavian days, and have spent maybe $1500 there in the past decade. Yet I warrant these coffee-table style catalogs delivered UPS to my front door. Here a link that explains their marketing strategy. Or tries to. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Why Restoration Hardware is Lavishing Millions on Luxury Stores and Catalogs
They are insane. I won't buy anything from them on principle. And no, all the Pottery Barn catalogs I get put together wouldn't comprise even half of RH's current, vile leviathan. |
I try so hard to limit my carbon footprint. When I receive an unnecessary use of paper like this, it makes me so angry. Why not give me an extraordinary experience online or perhaps have sales staff that actually wants to help me when I visit the store? I wouldn't mind a little breadth of choice either. I don't have a house that lends itself to massively proportioned furniture. Oh, wait, maybe I'm not the target customer. Then, why are they sending me that 300 page tome? |
I totally agree. My husband was speechless when he saw it. I am going to call them and have me taken off their mailing list because it's absurd. That must cost a fortune to send, let alone the waste of paper. It went right in the garbage. And everything looks the same. Do I really need 8 books or more? Sueb: what is the color of your staircase?? |
Scanmike, my husband was speechless too when he saw them in our driveway (wouldn't fit in the mailbox, so the postman drove up our long driveway to drop them off by the house -- more environmental assault). And when he found his tongue, he asked why on earth did I order so many catalogs? He had a hard time believing RH would just send a pile like that without a request for them. Also, the plastic used to wrap the catalogs looked nasty. Wonder if it was recycled plastic, at least? I'm not a rabid environmentalist by any means, but this raised even my hackles. Restoration Hardware is completely out of touch with the times, IMO. Strange company. |
- Posted by Violet.West (My Page) on Tue, May 20, 14 at 16:09
oh,boy. I don't think that'll even fit in my mailbox. |
Scanmike -- the wall color? BM Everlasting. |
Sueb btw your runner looks wonderful! |
- Posted by ineffablespace (My Page) on Tue, May 20, 14 at 17:51
I think it's an attention-getting mechanism. They are in the "There's no such thing as bad publicity" camp, and since the size of the new catalog starts a thread every time a new one comes out, they are getting what they want. :) |
I called when mine arrived last year and asked to be taken off the mailing list. Since I imagine they buy customer lists, I'm curious to see if I got back on and will get the stack anyway. |
- Posted by chloenkitty (My Page) on Tue, May 20, 14 at 19:27
I always call companies and cancel catalogs when I get them. I can't stand how they add up and having to throw them away. However, I absolutely love Restoration Hardware! I shake when i go in that store! |
The article is pretty amusing, they are so full of themselves! I used to enjoy their stores, but they became dark and depressing. I'll be in Boston in a few weeks, so I'll check out their new "Gallery" store ... at 40K sq.ft I hope they've brightened it up or I might need medication to cheer me up after walking through the store! ;-) |
- Posted by kateskouros (My Page) on Tue, May 20, 14 at 23:43
oh. my. GOD. ME TOO!!!!! UPS delivered 17 lbs worth of catalogs to me, and i don't know why! i'm going to call RH tomorrow and rip them a new one. crazy! |
My husband got the THUMP. How he got on their mailing list, I have no idea. He doesn't shop & has never set foot in RH. |
- Posted by kateskouros (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 0:35
well, i do know why. i mistakenly bought a LOT there when we were building. mirrors and other items. i wish i could return everything! never shopping there again. and when i say that, i mean it. macy's pissed me off in 1985. that was the last they saw of me. |
Found this thread on the sidebar. I got the pile too and actually took the time to look thru' all of them: black, greys, browns and various shades of off-while. Depressing! I don't know how I got on their mailing list either. 20 years ago I really liked their stores, but haven't been in one since they quickly removed the local one... lasted only a few months. And, I'm like many of you, I could only see the waste; but most of the mail we get is just as wasteful. |
- Posted by lazydaisynot (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 3:53
Take a look at www.catalogchoice.org , a site that allows you to opt out of catalogs you don't wish to receive. Since opting out of the RH catalog following receipt of an obnoxiously heavy edition that I discussed in a previous thread on CC, I haven't received any more RH catalogs. Catalogchoice.org has been covered in the NY Times and other mainstream news outlets. It's free and permits you to stipulate the type/frequency of mailings (including none) that you want to receive from each company. I used to like RH and still enjoy a few of its products, but marketing via an approach that seems to signal environmental disregard leaves me cold. |
Of course I did have to flip through about half of the pile last night and had to laugh -- in their "small spaces" section they have, for example, a chair that is 41" across. That is NOT a small chair. kswl -- thanks! I'm very happy with it. |
- Posted by jujubean71 (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 9:05
westelle, you raise a good point. This oversized lump of RH advertising is obnoxious, yet it would be interesting to keep stacks of all the catalogs I receive over a year period and compare which company is worse. Edit: |
This post was edited by jujubean71 on Wed, May 21, 14 at 9:08
- Posted by outsideplaying (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 9:18
Got my lump of thump yesterday. DH had it sitting on the island and pointed to it when I walked in the door and asked 'what is this'? I laughed and immediately knew what it was because I had just read about the RH mail-out and sueb's post. Last night I finally tackled the plastic and flipped thru the titles. Couldn't believe the 'baby' catalog was almost the largest one! Kept a couple to flip thru later but the rest ended up in the recycle bin. Violet, your mail carrier would never have delivered this...it was sent UPS. I'd love to call and rip them for the dastardly deed but it would do no good. I'll visit catalogchoice and opt out there. Thanks for that reminder. |
- Posted by kateskouros (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 11:38
UPDATE: i sent RH a lovely note and demanded they first, remove me from their mailing list, and second, send UPS back to pick up their waste. UPS will be here tomorrow. |
- Posted by forboystoo (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 11:46
You know~ if I were to stack-up all the Bed and Bath catalogs I received in the past 2 years since (apx) Nov.'12 when I received my last RH jumbo mailing ~ What would that stack look like ??? Is the use of recycled paper adding to the appearance of bulk ? No~You don't have to be a RH shopper to be on their mailing list. |
- Posted by forboystoo (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 12:10
I don't think that sending a truck to pick it up ,only to have UPS put it in their recycling can, is a good choice as far as carbon reduction goes. Why does the catalog upset people so much ? Is it the amount of pages ? Is it the waste being added to the environment ? Is it just that you don't like what they are selling ? |
Ha. There is an angry discussion about this catalog going on on my local community Facebook page. RH certainly is getting a lot of publicity from this stunt. As the saying goes "there is no such thing as bad publicity". |
- Posted by kateskouros (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 18:53
well, having them send a truck is a good choice for me, considering i didn't ask for this. it has nothing to do with the carbon footprint (whatever that is) -it's about having to dispose of a 17 lb brick. that may not bother some, but it has bothered plenty of others. i am also a catalogchoice.org user, so i get very few catalogs sent to my home. the RH mailing slipped through somehow, even though i had them on my list. but this business of sharing information between companies is awful. if you purchase anything, and have it shipped to your home -you end up on some list that's shared for a price. |
"there is no such thing as bad publicity" I have to disagree with this. An example is LuluLemon, I don't think they have rebounded from their bad publicity the last few years. You can't charge a premium and deliver mediocre quality and/or service. The article said that RH had improved their quality and increased prices. I never noticed any improvement in the quality of their products. If anything I thought their drapes felt cheaper, more skimpy, than they used to be. |
My six year old announces at 6pm: Mommy there's a big package by the front door. (I knew exactly what it would be.) We go outside and I tell her it's a stack of catalogs that I didn't want. She then says "Why would someone do that to you?" Great question. RH has the bleakest, most depressing take on interiors. Some of the pieces are nice, but taken as a whole they sap the life right out of me. |
- Posted by beekeeperswife (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 23:26
Well, no wonder why the UPS man looked angry as I saw him trudging across the lawn this afternoon, heard the thud, and then he HAD to ring the bell, just to make sure that I too felt his pain by making my dog go berserk. I thought I was safe from the small sidetable aka a catalog. But no, my regular UPS man was off, I think he was hiding the 17# endtable somewhere in the warehouse. Substitute driver comes in, and wham--probably had hundreds of these to deliver today. PS--I actually went out and photographed it on the porch. It's almost as big as my milk box. (yes, we have a milkman) |
Geez! I'm feeling left out! No catalogs here and I've even ordered from them in the past several months. |
- Posted by Don_in_Colorado (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 19:09
It's coming, ppbenn. It's coming. Mwaa ha ha ha ha!!!! Don B. |
Oh yes it is!!! Mine arrived in southern CA yesterday, so the RH catalog pox is spreading! |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 21:59
I didn't get anything, hooray. I am constantly calling catalogue companies to be removed from their lists, but as soon as you buy something those %$*%^$%# put you back on. I swear I need a file clerk. Not to mention, we pay for trash removal, by the pound. Since i can then prove I've been harmed (by the removal cost), maybe i can sue RH if they deliver such a monstrosity? Maybe all publicity is good, but in the age of "green", sloshing around all this wasteful paper is awfully tone deaf. |
Received them last year and will probably be getting them this year too. It used to be such a treat to go there back in the day. Now the catalog presentation is so self conscious that it hinges on the ridiculous. They must really have an ax to grind with their former self and are now just going ahead and committing suicide. We know you can do black and white, dark and moody, the misty pic, but can you show us what something really looks like in a room? The specs and actually the cost and real colors? Not everyone lives in an altered state. (reposted from other thread) |
I thought it was an urban myth...or just a GW myth, but The Thump has struck my doorstep just now. Criminy! |
- Posted by Violet.West (My Page) on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 14:12
yep, I got mine too. And they make a big deal out of how "environmentally friendly" they are by doing a big dump. ;) It's all starting to look like the dreary wizarding houses in Harry Potter to me. Who want's to visit Snape? |
- Posted by motherof3sons (My Page) on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 18:59
Got mine last week. Went around the house and collected the Pottery Barn catalogs. Both are equal offenders. I ordered from PB, but never RH. |
- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 20:43
I bought a mirror (it was the right size and on sale) from RH a few months ago. My first and only purchase from them. I couldn't believe it when I came home to find that stack on my porch. I legit felt guilty about the waste of paper. (and, yes, I looked at most of them, too. Where is color? It's like an old sepia toned movie. Ugh) |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 20:45
OMG! I got mine today. I can't freakin' believe it! Esp since I have never ordered or bought anything from these people. I've never bought anything from them as they are too expensive. Clearly they are too expensive as they waste money on creating, printing and delivering this ridiculous catalog. I will have to call and complain as well...what a ridiculous waste of scarce resources. Have they not heard of the internet??? |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 21:44
I unsubscribed and I sent them a screed. What a total waste! |
I got mine a few weeks ago, same thoughts as everyone else. Then, last week while my DH was watching the business news, I heard the analysts talking about how RH is doing better than ever. Go figure... |
I meant to post this the other day. One of the morning shows did a segment about the giant catalog. They said many customers are sending them back, hoping to send a clear message to RH. So at least it made the news in a bad way. Marina, I agre with you. The catalog sucks the life out of me too! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Tue, Jun 17, 14 at 8:05
Well, my email triggered the standard "oh we so care about the environment" response. I just hope somewhere in their marketing department, they are keeping track of the complaints they are receiving so they rethink this entire thing. |
I'm afraid to post- I don't get the catalog and they'll probably track me down and add me to their list. I'm sure Marketing is keeping track of responses but they're reporting it "as look at all the attention we're getting!!" Marketing is not going to the boss with the info that their idea of a 20 pound catalog is not being received well, just that customer contact has increased by whatever %. |
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andre1969 Posts: 22,238Actually, Berri might have a good point about the Cruze. It splits the gap between the Corolla and Camry, both in size and price, and I could see that confusing some buyers. For instance, your typical compact car buyer might just focus on the price, see that the Cruze is more money, but not notice that it is a bigger car. But then your typical midsized car buyer might not even think of a Cruze, since it's marketed as Chevy's compact car and Cobalt replacement.
Maybe it's time to dust off this old ad campaign, and update it to modern times, with a Chevy Cruze slant! -
andre1969 Posts: 22,238The same price argument is poorly used against the Equinox, yet it sells well. Is the Cruze selling OK or suffering badly from being undesirable, specifically due to price? Will I find bad reviews by it's buyers, complaining that they overpaid?
Well, I haven't heard anything bad about the Cruze yet, except for the argument about it being a bit expensive. I have a feeling it'll sell well, even if it doesn't topple the Corolla or Civic for the title of king of the compact cars. I think it'll take years, perhaps even decades, for any other manufacturer to knock those two from their perch.
But, you never know. Times do change. Back in 1985 for example, the top selling import car nameplate was the Nissan Sentra. As popular and commonplace as the Civic/Corolla seem to be, once upon a time, there was a model that even topped them. Although, FWIW, in 1985, the Cavalier, Tempo, and Escort also topped the Civic and Corolla. -
berri Posts: 4,336You seem to be taking the defensive stance that I'm slamming GM. Not true. I compared to Toyota because it has two high volume models at either end of the Cruze. The Equinox is selling well because most everything in the small CUV is given rising gas prices. In general though I think GM pricing strategy is hurting their retail sales volume (except LaCrosse which ironically is being sold as a bargain against cars like Lexus ES). The Cruze faces a boatload of larger cars that still get decent mileage being advertised by dealers out the door for under $20K + ttl. These also include Altima, Fusion, Malibu, etc. I think GM made a big mistake in initially overpricing the current gen Malibu and smarter pricing would be giving it even better sales volume. Pricing too high initially and then making up for it with large rebates or fleet sales down the road tends to backfire in the long run. Even though the Malibu seems better priced out the door these days, potential customers kind of forgot about it when it first came out due to pricing. I had one recently as a rental and it was a nice car. However, when I bought a full size car several years ago I didn't even look at it then because the dealer ads were too high compared to many other competitive models. As for the Cruze, if you look at car pricing history you'll find many brands and lines ended up eliminated, or at least only marginally successful because they were priced too high for their market segment, or too close to the next level up alternatives. I also noted that the new Focus may encounter the same issue. Time will tell whether it can get away with it because Ford is using a European derived approach which may provide it a bit of added cachet.
andre1969 Posts: 22,238I wonder what car takes that Dart's rear window and uses it as a windshield?
I never really thought about it, but it does look like you could almost take the Dart's rear window, flip it around, and use it as a windshield!
That car was a lot bigger than I had it as in memory.
The '67-69 models were around 195-196" long, and rode on a 111" wheelbase. They were low-slung cars though, and a bit narrow, so that might make them appear to be even longer. Plus, that 195-196" is just about all car. No jutting bumpers, or sloping, vee-shaped front-ends, or rounded off corners, which will contribute to making a car look smaller than it really is.
I always thought the mid-70's Darts were smaller, because the sloping rear-end made for a shorter decklid, and made the car look smaller overall. But, because of the jutting bumpers, I think they were actually around 205-210" long!
In comparison, the Chevy Nova was on a 111" wheelbase, but I think the longest they ever got was around 197". I always thought the '75-79 Novas had really nice proportions. I find them a bit tight inside, though, with regards to legroom. I guess those nice proportions come with a price. -
circlew Posts: 8,417I agree with your observation regarding Malibu pricing. I agree that GM has had some very good cars come out post-2008. But the pricing still is high.
Since this is the fan forum, I will limit the comments to that. Pricing strategy can make or break a company. GM's strategy could use another sharpened pencil, afaic. Current events, withstanding. The Cruze could suffer at the hands of the current leaders considering new arrivals or even the companies who are on a explosive assault on the economy car segment.
I continue to make the Corvette a goal personally. But even that most developed car in GM's history better watch the pricing. Some very innovative cars are going to give it a run for it's value.
samm43 Posts: 195Yes, I have a feeling Chrysler used a windshield that was already in use to save molding and forming costs. The real mystery is if they grabbed it from one of their own though. :shades:
I have a fond but initially scary memory of a 69 (I think) Dart with a 3 sp auto and 340. I got a ride into town with a guy at work who had bought one quite new at the time. I was still shy of being licensed (on the road) (legally :shades: ) but had never driven or ridden in anything with the spunk that 340 had when you punched it. Well, he pulled out to pass on a two-lane in a spot that I would have never done in the humble machinery I or family had ever had any history with, and I thought woah man, I only wanted a ride, not get killed; but then he tromped it into 2nd gear (might have been first? at around 45 mph) and holy bleep, did that thing ever haul serious butt. It was a non dramatic pass of course and he knew it ahead of time but I didn't.
Was a real thrill I'll never forget.
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andre1969 Posts: 22,238I had a chance to buy a '68 Dart GTS (the 340 model) for $1400 back in 1992. Should've jumped on it! But, I had bought a '68 Dart 270 about 4 months before, with a slightly built-up 318, and didn't have the money to buy another.
Supposedly, with the right gearing and the 6-pack setup, those 340's could hit 0-60 in about 6 seconds, with the automatic transmission. I think the 4-bbl was rated at 270-275 hp, while the 6-pack was around 290-295. Rumor has it they were actually under-rated though, partly for insurance purposes, but also partly because the real hp would make their 383 big-block look a little pathetic. -
stever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,443"The current Malibu was introduced in 2007 as a 2008 model and since its launch has been one of the brand's most successful showroom performers. It was Chevrolet's top-selling car in the U.S. last year and GM said it has moved more than 600,000 since its introduction."
Chevy Begins Teasing All New Malibu (AutoObserver)
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andre1969 Posts: 22,238I'm not sure that I'm in love with those taillights, but maybe they'll grow on me. I'd really need to see the whole car to tell how well they integrate. But, IMO, the taillights on the current Malibu are a bit of a weak spot. Somehow the rear just has a slightly unfinished look to it.
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dieselone Posts: 5,659I agree andre. I'll reserve judgement for when I can see the car in person. Will this be a Regal under a different brand since it will sharing a platform and powertrain? Also, I sure hope it doesn't weigh as much as the Regal. I don't think I want a 3600lb plus car with only 172HP in base form.
fezo Posts: 9,520Yeah, that's more like it!
Andre - I agree with you. The big thing I liked about the peek at the new tail light is that it isn't the current one. The current Malibu to me is a "missed it by that much" vehicle. Nothing wrong with it that a tweak here and there wouldn't fix pretty quickly.
I'd lower the belt line and tone down the schnoz a bit. Then we'd be talking. -
xrunner2 Posts: 3,062Add to that I'm a short guy and it doesn't allow my left elbow to hang there unless I want to dislocate my shoulder!
With warmer weather coming, I expect to see again some guys still able to hang their hand out the window in traffic. And, when stopped at traffic light, some of these guys will have cigarette dangling from hand and pack wrapped in t shirt sleeve at shoulder. -
motorcity6 Posts: 427I remember reading an article in the April issue of Motor Trend mag of the Camaro vs Mustang GT with the Mustang receiving the praise...Having owned 2 past Camaros, a 71SS and a 82 Z28, with the 71 SS the winner and the 82 was a loser..
I drove a 2010 SS prior to acquiring the 2010 Mustang GT w/track pkg at a very great price, slightly used but not abused..
If I remember correctly, the new SS Conv weighs some 400# more than the GT conv..so it is bloated ragtop..
Filled up the 2006 Pontiac Prix GT this A.M., and using mid-grade Shell, we are getting 20.18 mpgs..WoW, it's not a gas saver, but the sunroof and a/c seem to be used 90% of the time..fun car though.. I don't think it is broken yet at 56k miles, it needs some more time on I-75 to loosen up the engine...
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I love them, nothing hotter than a nice bush..
Does anyone have any pics/vids of guys with natural pubic hair?
I love them, nothing hotter than a nice bush..
Does anyone have any pics/vids of guys with natural pubic hair?
hairy armpits are my fetish. i hate when a guy shaves his pubes too.
Enjoy seeing hairy pits and pubes. My pits are sparse but the pubes are OK.
I love a nice hairy bush and ass gets me hard everytime
Was that the question, damn I must have had a stroke.
love a hairy bush and if it has an un cut cock in the middle of it, even better.
fuckin love sweaty and smelly armpits
The ones with natural pubic hair are hard to find nowadays, unfortunately. The best way I've found is to go to Vintage sites before people that artificial is better than natural.
The best one I've found so far is Jerk Off Buds, which has a galleries section with a Vintage section.
If I ever learn how to post pics here I'll post some.
Nothing gets me going more than a hairy bush. Great thread. Keep it going
I love hairy pits and untrimmed pubes!
On men only of course.
My pubes started growing like everyone leses, then they just seemed to stop. They are very fine and there's not that many of them. My proper hair is darkish but my pubes are very light. Sometimes it looks like I haven't got any at all. Armpits much the same. Since then I've always loved to see guys with bushy pubes and just love stroking them.
Dont' mind pubes at all...or lovetrails, hairy chests, or pits.
Has anyone ever tried "Just for Men" hair dye or some thing like that for there pubes? Mine also are kind of light and was just wondering if that could make them darker.
a thick dark bush is a real turn on for me...
My pubes are thinning as I get older. I almost want to go out and get a bottle of Rogien (or however you spell it) and see if it will help grow hair elsewhere than on the head. Anyone know whether it will work or not?
A good thick bush, a softly covered ass crack and deep bushy Pits......
If there is a heaven.... that's what mine looks like
Plus it has the faint aroma of a piss & cum stained jockstrap...
Hey its my version of heaven...I'm gonna have it just the way I want it! lol
There's few things better than an huge, musky bush on a guy's crotch.
I love to see a guy with furry legs and a smooth chest. The more hair from the waist down, the better. The less on top, the better! And an extra bonus if the hair is not black, but lighter brown, blonde or red.
I love pubic hair!
there is a hot thread in the Young Men, Twinks, Jocks & Hunks gallery called
The UnderArm Collection
it is full of great pictures of pits
You might like some of my pics:
The black and white pix are newer; the colors are from a couple years ago.
i love hary pitsa and pubs
I am in love with this guy.
::throws up:: major chunkage
Here's some pubic hair for you:
Pubic Hair
Yeah the "Bushier the better" is always my feeling too.
The only exception I have, despite loving a hairy ass is a smooth butthole. I love eating ass and a smooth hole is much more to my taste
Hairy Pits [check]
Hairy Balls [check]
Nice treasure trail [check]
Soft Hairy Pecs [check]
Strong wirey leg hair [check]
Some facial hair, preferably scruffy looking [check]
Now just give him a job & a car then send him over to my place, gift wrapped with a bow .... after that description I'm horny as hell and ready to marry him!!!
Nuthin more fun than getting my face up in a guy's hairy pits, except sucking his hard shaft all the way down to his hairy pubes, letting them tickle my lips while I suck him.
My New Year Reasolution .... let my body hair grow back. Hope it looks good with the new beard.
I'd love to bury my face in a nice thick bush. Also, hot for hairy chests and facial hair.
Keep on strokin'
i love to lick black mens pubes love the wooley bush love to lick thear ass holes also
Pubes are all I can think about. I have a group on NING, The Male Pubes Forum. I don't have 25 posts yet, so I cannot post the URL, but you're all smart guys, so you'll find it.
There's a bunch of pits over here:
beto - i want to see more of the first guy getting sucked
Yes, I agree w/ Steve 621.
Beto - do you have anymore of the first pic? That guy is real hot, the one getting blown.
i need some pits to lick now.
I used to have a crush on my math teacher in high school. He was probably late thirties and extremely hairy on his arms and chest - I think my first obsession over a hairy man. In summer he'd wear a white short sleeved thin shirt, and you could see the dark hair through the shirt. Every now and then he'd lift his arm, and I'd get a glimpse of his bushy pit. It used to get me so hard!!!
I'm glad to be blessed with decent pubes but wished I had better pit hair.
Not many things are a bigger turn off than a shaved man. If he's naturally smooth, I don't hold it against the guy, but shaving makes me go limp.
Love a bushy set of pubes (wish mine were thicker/denser). And armpit hair is a major turn on.
some pictures of some black pubes i licked sucked the dick to and the ass holeall all so
I barely have any hair in my pits, but I have a rather full bush.
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"It's enough," said Matsuko Ito, who has been living in a shelter in the small north-eastern city of Natori since the tsunami, 64—year—old, while smoking a cigarette outside. "Something has changed. The world feels strange now. Even the way the clouds move isn't right."
A strong aftershock ripped through north-eastern Japan, killing two people, knocking out power to vast areas on Friday and piling misery on a region still buried under the rubble of last month's devastating tsunami.
The north-eastern coast was still reeling from the destruction wrought by a jumbo 9.0—magnitude earthquake on March 11, with tens of thousands of households without power or water. The 7.1 tremor has now thrown even more areas into disarray and sent communities that had made some gains back to square one.
Gasoline that had become more available after weeks of shortages was scarce again, and long lines formed at stations. Stores that had restocked shelves sold out of basics Friday and were forced to ration purchases again.
Still, the latest quake did far less damage, generated no tsunami and largely spared the region's nuclear plants. Some slightly radioactive water spilled at one plant, but the tsunami—crippled Fukushima Dai—ichi complex reported no new problems.
Matsuko Ito, who has been living in a shelter in the small north-eastern city of Natori since the tsunami, said there's no getting used to the terror of being awoken by shaking. She said she started screaming when the quake struck around 11-30 p.m.
"It's enough," the 64—year—old while smoking a cigarette outside. "Something has changed. The world feels strange now. Even the way the clouds move isn't right."
The latest tremor sunk more homes into blackness, though power was quickly restored to many. About 950,000 households were still dark on Friday evening, said Souta Nozu, a spokesman for Tohoku Electric Power Co., which serves northern Japan. That includes homes in prefectures in Japan's northwest that had been spared in the first quake.
Six conventional plants in the area were knocked out, though three have since come back online and the others should be up again within hours, Mr. Nozu said. But with power lines throughout the area damaged, it was not clear whether normal operations would be restored, he said.
In Ichinoseki, lines formed outside a supermarket when it opened on Friday morning. An employee with a flashlight escorted each customer around the store and jotted the price of each selected item in a pad.
Most businesses were closed in the city, 240 miles (390 kilometers) northeast of Tokyo. One restaurant owner, Suzuki Koya, bought a small gas stove and made free meals in big boiling pot.
"I saw the meat at the supermarket and I thought, 'We should do a hot pot,' " the 47—year—old said. "It's good to keep warm in times like these."
Several nuclear power plants briefly switched to diesel generators but were reconnected to the grid by Friday afternoon. One plant north of Sendai briefly lost the ability to cool its spent fuel pools, but quickly got it back.
At a plant in Onagawa, some radioactive water splashed out of the pools but did not leave a containment building, Tohoku Electric said. Such splash—out is "not unusual, although it is preferable that it doesn't happen," according to Japanese nuclear safety agency official Tomoho Yamada.
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As radiation spilling from the troubled Fukushima Dai—ichi plant has fallen in recent days, however, police have fanned out inside a no—go zone near the complex to dig for the dead.
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The searchers, wearing white radiation gear and blue gloves, struggled to bring the remains across the rubble to vans and minibuses that would take them to the nearest morgue. Each body was carefully hosed off to rid it of radiation before being placed in the vehicles.
"The area is literally a mountain of debris. It is an extremely difficult task," said an official with police in Fukushima prefecture who declined to be named because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
The epicentre of Thursday's temblor was in about the same location as the original 9.0—magnitude tremor, off the eastern coast and about 40 miles (65 kilometers) from Sendai, an industrial city on the eastern coast, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. It was strong enough to shake buildings for about a minute as far away as Tokyo, about 200 miles (330 kilometers) away.
At a Toyota dealership in Sendai, most of a two—story show window was shattered, and thick shards of glass were heaped in front of the building. Police directed cars through intersections throughout the city on Friday because traffic lights were out. Small electrical fires were reported.
At the Fukushima Dai—ichi plant, where nuclear workers have been toiling to plug radiation leaks and restore cooling systems ruined in the March 11 quake and tsunami, workers briefly retreated to a shelter and suffered no injuries. The plant operator said the tremor caused no new problems there.
Despite the new aftershock, automakers announced Friday that they were beginning to bounce back from the March monster. Toyota will resume car production at all its plants in Japan at half capacity from April 18 to 27.
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We have been to two great parties in the last several weeks....about 40-50 at each. The weather was beautiful at each one and people were mostly outside enjoying the yards and fresh air; however, at each party there was only enough outside seating for 10 people at the most. One had a table and chair set on the deck and a few scattered chairs and benches on the lawn. The other one had maybe 6 chairs on the patio. Yes, people are always milling about at these functions and there will always be clusters of people standing and chatting, but it would be nice for hosts to plan more seating, even if it means borrowing or renting chairs. Most people work in offices and are not used to long periods standing, especially those of us getting up there in age. I woke this morning and my feet and ankles are sore from mostly standing all evening, and I was in comfortable sandals. Is it just me or have others noticed this as well? |
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That's a good point, but so far I have only been to smaller gatherings. Interesting that a few years back when I had a large party, a friend questioned why we didn't have it in the yard, instead of the deck and house. At his house, the yard is around the back, but he has access to the basement, for storing things and a bathroom. But, although he had enough folding chairs set up, they were not comfortable to sit on any length of time. At my house, the deck is off the kitchen. People mingled both inside, where they could have an option of a soft chair, and out on the deck. Also, if it's hot, it's nice to have the option of air conditioning, especially for older folks. Glad both parties were successful. |
I find that just standing around is a lot more tiring than walking. I can walk for hours, but if I stand with little movement for an hour, my feet hurt. Even when I was in my 20s, I didn't enjoy standing around for 4-5 hours. Now that I'm in my 50s, I don't want to stand for 4 hours straight. I think hosts are so busy running around seeing to their guests that they don't notice that their guests might like to sit down now and then. For family get-togethers, we frequently get the message, "Please bring any folding chairs you have." Which is fine by me, as I then know I'll have a chance to sit down. I'd say you should have seating for at least half your guests. Better if there's more. There's a theory out there that not having enough seating means that the guests will mingle more. In my experience, the reality is that those who get a seat won't get up, because they are afraid of loosing the chair. And a certain percentage of the rest will leave relatively early because of back/foot/knee pain, or just not having the energy to stand for the length of the party. |
We just had 25 people over today for a bridal shower and we rented an adequate amount of tables and chairs. Which means we rented 30 chairs and 5 tables. It is never a good idea to skimp on seating IMHO when hosting a party or event. If it is a trend to not consider the comfort of your guests I am not aware of it. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Jun 8, 14 at 19:53
If there aren't enough chairs, the hosts should inform guests ahead of time so they could bring their own. OTOH, when I've had parties, I've had plenty of seating yet many chairs stayed empty while people were milling around. For outside, we're fortunate that our patio is surrounded by a sitting wall so people can certainly take a load off if they wish. |
- Posted by joaniepoanie (My Page) on Sun, Jun 8, 14 at 20:54
The one party was interesting. Most people were on the patio that had almost no seating, and just inside the slider to the patio is the family room with a sofa and two chairs but it might as well have been Siberia...no one sat there the whole night. DH and I did at one point because I really needed to sit and we hoped that would signal others but no cigar. We felt silly sitting there by ourselves so got up and moved after a few minutes. And yes, the people that got the nice patio chairs didn't budge for a very long time. Ellendi...totally agree about folding chairs. They are fine for a 15-20 ceremony but that's it. I was dismayed when I walked into my son's wedding reception last year and saw those little white, wooden folding chairs. They seem to sit too low in relation to the table and are just not comfortable for an entire evening. |
I have two folding canvas and metal director type chairs. Whenever I attend a party that's going to be outside, I pack them in the car. If they aren't needed, I don't even mention having them, but if it's obvious that they are needed, I just say that I have a couple of chairs with me and I'll go get them. And I am not bashful about asking someone to give one of them up, should they plant themselves. I have a bad ankle and just mention that I brought the chair so I could get off my ankle. Now, if it's someone's 90 year old mother, I'd figure she needs it more than I do and just make do. |
- Posted by outsideplaying (My Page) on Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 11:09
I also find it harder just standing around than walking around for several hours. It does seem odd that no more chairs were set around for that many guests. For that many people, I drag out every item I possibly can to sit on to augment the outdoor seating already available, and if it's more than what I have I ask a few good friends to bring some additional folding chairs. If it were a more formal event, I'd rent chairs. We have a large outdoor area so there is no lack of places to put chairs. |
Glad that the parties turned out so well ! -- but I agree that I simply can not stand, lean or balance for any length of time .... my back, legs and hips would be so sore in the morning! :) Great idea to keep a couple of folding chairs in the car -- just in case! :) |
My daughter is getting married next April and we are having the reception at a venue that typically does the cocktail hour outside of the reception room. The doors are closed and these silly little tables are all over the place. Everyone is standing around with their drinks just hoping and praying that the doors will open soon. It's ridiculous. When dd and I interviewed them we told them that was something we did not want and they agreed. So the doors will be open and guests can find their seats. Great thread! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 13:50
Reminded me of neighbors who had us and another couple over for drinks at holiday time. They have a HUGE home...must be 5 or 6 thousand sq ft. They have a living room, a family room, a dining room, a breakfast nook...and yet we spent the entire night uncomfortably standing around the kitchen island...my hips were so sore by the time we were through! I didn't feel I knew them well enough to suggest we go sit down...kept waiting for the host or hostess to do that.... |
Annie, my sister's SIL and BIL have a large home on a lake. They have a small screened in porch with uncomfortable furniture and they have everyone stay out there because of the lake view. This means balancing food as well. Finally my sister suggested that going into the dining room. |
I can't quite imagine suffering forced standing in silence, when it would be so easy to say something like, "Sorry, but I have to sit down." And either make a move to a chair or ask if one could be moved in for you. Most hosts would get the hint and hopefully would want their guests to be comfortable. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 16:00
We had an outdoor party with about 70 people last week. One of the things we bought with the house was the POs outdoor furniture. All told our outdoor furniture can seat about 40. We also have lots of stone walls for people to perch on, and they do. It was a casual party, more than half kids, and they were wet from swimming or boating. I have a few big baskets of beach towels, and the kids are encouraged to use those to sit on the lawns; which they seem to like to do. If it were all 70 adults, I would have felt it necessary to rent something; but I can't imagine what one can really rent that would seem ok outdoors? I think i'd pare down the guest list instead, LOL. |
- Posted by patty_cakes (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 3:37
I don't understand such thoughtlessness~am I the only one that seems to feel people simply don't *think* anymore? When Mom/Dad had company every chair from the DR and kitchen were dragged into the LR as that was the largest room so company congregated there. Mom always used the coffee table for cheese/ crackers, and warm o'rderves in the kitchen. People would get up and move about, but there were always enough chairs for a butt to land. I've pretty much adopted her habits. If you're the hostess and you see a guest/guests swaying from side to side because their feet are giving out, take the inside chairs outside. If you're a guest, ask to take a chair on the patio, please. Like I said, *think*ing~seems to have gone to the dogs. ;) |
- Posted by debrak2008 (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 7:19
Didn't someone post recently about what shoes to wear to a standing only wedding? I have heard that at weddings in Louisiana there are never any chairs. I have never been to a wedding where there wasn't at least 1 chair per person. Do you think it is a trick to get people to socialize more? Once you sit you are only talking to the people at the table. If you are standing/walking around it is easier to talk to more people. |
Just a silly personal thing but when I am at a party and I see tons of empty chairs and tables I always feel bad for the hosts because it gives the appearance that many people did not show up. Of course, that isn't always true but I find all the empty chairs and tables a little depressing. |
~am I the only one that seems to feel people simply don't *think* anymore? I know that feeling. People lack the ability to think ahead of a situation and anticipate needs. |
Deee, so maybe the formula should be at least half the amount of chairs for people in attendance? That way you don't see all those empty chairs and tables. And, to have some stashed if it looks like more want to sit? |
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Posted by Julie Ask on December 1, 2010
I was in San Diego airport this past weekend on my way home to San Francisco. A nurse in the airport was offering vaccinations and flu shots. Not so interesting I know. What was interesting is that she was using an iPad with a "Square" (see product description or https://squareup.com) to collect payment with a credit card. I stopped, of course, to talk with her about her experience.
A year ago they accepted cash or check only. Now they accept credit cards. They used the software provided by Square to build out an application that allows one to choose the vaccinations. The application compiles an itemized bill. The card is read by the Square and processed. The customer signs with a finger on the iPad. And . . . the customer can get a receipt via email immediately. End result? More accurate records. Real-time bookkeeping. More revenue b/c more payment options.
Intuit and others offer payment mechanisms through mobile phones and other portable devices with connectivity. These innovations will continue to enable small businesses and entrepreneurs to pursue new ideas . . . and in this case simplify the payment process. Totally cool. I love seeing ideas like this. Please post comments to this blog if there are others I should see.
Just had to bring up the obvious: Being able to answer the phone when on the road. Many mobile devices still maintain a feature, where SMB-owners can make calls and stay connected when on the road and without having to employ receptionist. That's pretty useful.
Besides that maybe the standalone MyCRM will do for a SMB enabler on the smartphone: http://www.serenaware.com/myCRM/tabid/84/Default.aspx
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Julie - I can't tell you how surprised and excited I was when I ran into a small business owner using a square. My buddies and I were in the middle of nowhere Kansas (Kingman, KS to be exact) for a weekend bird hunting trip. As our guide was getting all the paper work taken care of, he whipped out his phone, plugged in the Square, and we were off to the races.
After the transaction we asked why he switched to the Square and to him, the decision was simple. It is cheaper, he gets paid faster, and allows for more payment types.
I was impressed. Mass adoption can't be too far away if Kingman, Kansas has already jumped in.
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The Giants' ballpark swelled with nostalgia in Game 2 of the World Series on Thursday night. The sentimental look backward started with a scoreboard video of Bobby Thomson's 1951 "Shot Heard 'Round the World," complete with Russ Hodges' iconic call of "The Giants win the pennant, the Giants win the pennant ...," followed by ceremonial first pitches from Thomson's daughters.
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The Giants put together a Game 2 that perfectly summarized their entire season: The excruciating tension of a 1-0 lead into the seventh inning. Masterful pitching from their starter, the imperturbable Cain. Another hearty helping of Juan Uribe. And, finally, an explosive finish from the team that turned scalding in September, for a 9-0 win over the Rangers.
These Giants have now climbed startlingly close to the pinnacle of Major League Baseball. They're off to Texas with a 2-0 lead in the World Series. They may return to San Francisco only for a historic formality, the first-ever victory parade up Market Street by this town's baseball team.
Winning two out of three games in the Rangers' home park will be very difficult. The Giants will be entering a different world down there, without an overwhelming backdrop of orange pom-poms and towels or a single sailboat behind right field.
The Rangers' roster has been tailored to their park in much the way the Giants have constructed a club suited to their home by the bay. In Arlington, hitters tend to rule the yard, and the Rangers led the majors in batting average. The dimensions in San Francisco favor pitchers, and the Giants' success begins with their arms, which led all of baseball in earned run average.
The Giants, however, have become a ferocious offensive force of late. After winning six playoff games by one run, they have dismantled Texas' pitching. They won Game 1 by a score of 11-7, which seemed uncharacteristically gaudy at the time. Now, it's almost modest.
Good on the road
They also have thrived on the road in this postseason, clinching their two playoff series in Atlanta and Philadelphia.
"We've been road warriors, so that's what it's going to take now," manager Bruce Bochy said.
The Rangers will regain their designated hitter, Vladimir Guerrero, in Texas. They had to forgo his bat in Game 2, despite the .300 average, 29 homers and 115 RBIs it produced in the regular season. In Game 1, Guerrero's rarely used glove did substantial damage. He committed two errors in the eighth inning and generally looked lost in the cavern that forms right field at AT&T Park.
Even if Guerrero had played in Game 2, he might not have made a difference against Cain, who has now started three postseason games and not allowed a single earned run. Cain departed with two outs in the eighth, a man on second, and a besotted crowd saluted him at a decibel level that matched the ovation for Barry Bonds' record-setting 756th career home run three years ago.
Uribe knocked in two more runs, including one that made the score 2-0 in the seventh. He now has 12 RBIs in the postseason and five in the still-young World Series.
Edgar Renteria's fifth-inning home run staked Cain to a 1-0 lead and stirred up some more nostalgia. The shortstop provided the deciding run in another World Series game 13 years ago, singling home Craig Counsell with two outs in the 11th inning of Game 7 to make champs out of the young Florida Marlins.
"And don't think we aren't all in awe of that," teammate Aaron Rowand said recently.
Bittersweet memories
That postseason moment carries bittersweet memories for the Giants, who won their division in '97, then let Florida shove them out of the playoffs in the first round. Thomson's home run, for that matter, does not bring back entirely pleasant thoughts. The '51 Giants ended up losing the World Series in six games to the Yankees, and Hodges' call always serves as a reminder that the epic moment in franchise history - plus all of the team's world titles - occurred before the club left New York and opened for business in the West 52 years ago.
That could all be about to change. Of the 51 previous teams that took a 2-0 World Series lead, 40 went on to win the title. The last seven 2-0 teams have all won.
But consider this flashback: The last NL West team to win it all, Arizona, went up 2-0 on the Yankees and then strung the drama out until the ninth inning of Game 7. That's not a piece of nostalgia. It's a wonderful cautionary tale.
This article has been corrected since it appeared in print.


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Those of us who attended Family Group tonight at the Pastor's house were told to bring a dish to pass for potluck. Every dish offered, except three,had pasta. I used the extra meat sauce from My Big Fat Greek meal. Added spaghetti noodles plus shredded colby and mozzarella cheese. Baked it for 20 min. at 350 F. finishing it with SamM salsa on top. With so many pasta dishes the parents gave their children a choice of Lasagna or spaghetti. The Lasagna won out tonight along with another Butterfly pasta dish that had cream and Pesto mixed into it.The rest of us took home 90% of what we brought. All the bread whether garlic or otherwise also was eaten.
Lesson learned. When the call for potluck is given. Bring fruit, Fruit salad or an accompaniment to pasta dishes.