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International Edition
Opinion by Rachel Held Evans, Special to CNN
(CNN) – At 32, I barely qualify as a millennial.
I wrote my first essay with a pen and paper, but by the time I graduated from college, I owned a cell phone and used Google as a verb.
I still remember the home phone numbers of my old high school friends, but don't ask me to recite my husband's without checking my contacts first.
I own mix tapes that include selections from Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but I've never planned a trip without Travelocity.
Despite having one foot in Generation X, I tend to identify most strongly with the attitudes and the ethos of the millennial generation, and because of this, I'm often asked to speak to my fellow evangelical leaders about why millennials are leaving the church.
Armed with the latest surveys, along with personal testimonies from friends and readers, I explain how young adults perceive evangelical Christianity to be too political, too exclusive, old-fashioned, unconcerned with social justice and hostile to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.
I point to research that shows young evangelicals often feel they have to choose between their intellectual integrity and their faith, between science and Christianity, between compassion and holiness.
I talk about how the evangelical obsession with sex can make Christian living seem like little more than sticking to a list of rules, and how millennials long for faith communities in which they are safe asking tough questions and wrestling with doubt.
Invariably, after I've finished my presentation and opened the floor to questions, a pastor raises his hand and says, "So what you're saying is we need hipper worship bands. …"
And I proceed to bang my head against the podium.
Time and again, the assumption among Christian leaders, and evangelical leaders in particular, is that the key to drawing twenty-somethings back to church is simply to make a few style updates – edgier music, more casual services, a coffee shop in the fellowship hall, a pastor who wears skinny jeans, an updated Web site that includes online giving.
But here's the thing: Having been advertised to our whole lives, we millennials have highly sensitive BS meters, and we're not easily impressed with consumerism or performances.
In fact, I would argue that church-as-performance is just one more thing driving us away from the church, and evangelicalism in particular.
Many of us, myself included, are finding ourselves increasingly drawn to high church traditions – Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Episcopal Church, etc. – precisely because the ancient forms of liturgy seem so unpretentious, so unconcerned with being "cool," and we find that refreshingly authentic.
What millennials really want from the church is not a change in style but a change in substance.
We want an end to the culture wars. We want a truce between science and faith. We want to be known for what we stand for, not what we are against.
We want to ask questions that don't have predetermined answers.
We want churches that emphasize an allegiance to the kingdom of God over an allegiance to a single political party or a single nation.
We want our LGBT friends to feel truly welcome in our faith communities.
We want to be challenged to live lives of holiness, not only when it comes to sex, but also when it comes to living simply, caring for the poor and oppressed, pursuing reconciliation, engaging in creation care and becoming peacemakers.
You can't hand us a latte and then go about business as usual and expect us to stick around. We're not leaving the church because we don't find the cool factor there; we're leaving the church because we don't find Jesus there.
Like every generation before ours and every generation after, deep down, we long for Jesus.
Now these trends are obviously true not only for millennials but also for many folks from other generations. Whenever I write about this topic, I hear from forty-somethings and grandmothers, Generation Xers and retirees, who send me messages in all caps that read "ME TOO!" So I don't want to portray the divide as wider than it is.
But I would encourage church leaders eager to win millennials back to sit down and really talk with them about what they're looking for and what they would like to contribute to a faith community.
Their answers might surprise you.
Rachel Held Evans is the author of "Evolving in Monkey Town" and "A Year of Biblical Womanhood." She blogs at rachelheldevans.com. The views expressed in this column belong to Rachel Held Evans.
I've got no problem with Jesus, it's his fan club I can't stand!
Millennials are leaving the church because they have sat at the feet of skeptics, liberals, Bible deniers, liberal educators and Hollywood elites via Glee, Will & Grace, Ellen, Seinfeld, and so many shows with entertaining gay characters who surely must be "born that way." They have been propagandized to believe that Jesus was only about acceptance, love, hanging out with sinners and chastising the Pharisees whom He called hypocrites. Their Jesus has no standards of right and wrong –except the wrong of thinking you are right for believing the Bible. They believe that Jesus is "liberal" which comes from cherry-picking from the scriptures while they accuse the devout of doing such "cherry-picking." Jesus was on the side of the poor –in commanding that we share and be compassionate toward the "have-nots" and "have-lesses." He did criticize the rich. But He didn't recommend confiscatory gov't that steals from the people (his tax collector-turned-disciple repented for such theft.) He didn't say there would be no judgment for not investing the master's talent with which we servants are entrusted. He confirmed the teaching of a Heaven vs. Hell. He didn't say all the poor and sinful people would go to heaven while His followers and the righteous would go to Hell. He said REPENTANCE and HUMILITY and BELIEF are the requirements for Heaven –and generosity and friendliness, too as in Matthew 25. He didn't re-define righteousness –(or marriage) –he fortified the definition of marriage in Matt. 19:4-6 –as in Genesis. He said the Church would suffer for righteousness' sake and for faith in HIM. And so we are –starting in Iraq and Iran and most Muslim states. But also here –with the hostility of the rainbow crowd and abortion advocates expressed toward any who disagree –which Bible believers do. We are supposed to practice PC speech only –or they say we are racists and bigots. I feel the hatred toward me –not from me.
Ladies and gentlemen: This is what "bearing false witness against your neighbor" looks like.
As their version of Jesus says, "Unless ye become as a braindead bigot, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
I guess this proves George Bernard Shaw's point: "I have nothing against Christianity. I just think it's never been tried."
If you want to find the REAL gospel, this soul missed the train entirely. Pray for her
Yep. You're a perfect example why I don't do church. Who would want to be associated with someone like you? Why would someone want to believe what you believe? I'll pass.
Reblogged this on A Klutz's Kerfuffle and commented: I'm not one who has necessarily left the church, but I am nowhere near as involved as I used to be and it's because of a lot of the reasons listed here. It's refreshing to know that so many others feel the same.
I wonder if Rachel Evans is aware that a BS meter is often a mere reflection of personal prejudice or a lack of appreciation for not understanding she is doing her reflection in a void?
It seems to me that each of us has his/her own prejudices, opinions. I accept that the opinions expressed in this article is an honest expression of views based on her experiences and discussions with others.. In my opinion, the comment that "they don't find Jesus there" carries a lot of weight. We may have the right doctrine and even the "works", but unless Christ is there, people will not be drawn to the "church". The distinction between "Christians" and the world has become so blurred that one now has to ask somebody "Are you a Christian?" People find the world in the church – so why would they change from what they know for just more of the same?
in addition to my last comment, evans want to put the blame upon the churches instead of people like herself. they can do all that she says in the church but they don't want to because they do not like what scriptures says and they want to change scripture to fit their personal ideas.
You are wrong. Young people are shedding religion because they know it's all manmade bullsh!t, without any actual evidence for any god.
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. – 2 Corinthians 5:18-20, NKJV. – stop being at war with your creator and be reconciled to him. we want to save your soul and do not want your eternal separation from God. you are gnashing your teeth now because you have no hope, but it doesn't have to be that way. Jesus Christ offered Himself up as a sacrifice for you too!
Too much unnecessary capitalization.... too much BS...
BACKBIT, Jesus loves you too even though you deny Him.
Consolation prizes from myth-makers are of no use to me...
Yea...but there are some people like myself that find the idea of vicarious redemption (scapegoating followed by blood sacrifice) to be morally repugnant. So please don't be offended when I tell you where you can stick that offer of 'love'.
that is exactly right theo. "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Timothy 4:3-4, NKJV
yeah, Satan put a lot of that kind of stuff in the bible when he inspired it to be written, to deceive you. He's tricky like that.
Paul might as well have been saying, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The Great & Powerful Oz has spoken!"
Paul was afflicted with an itching tongue.
TOTO, Jesus Christ loves you too even though you are at war with Him. Seek Him earnestly and He may forgive you.
rachal held evans is wrong. people leave the church for many reasons but the most important one is that they do not want to obey God or believe the bible. they want science over God's word and do not want to make choices that mean they have to sacrifice
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RIGHT ON post! Exactly on point. Christians support dogma more than people, and doctrine more than love. Jesus would have nothing to do with the fundamental Church as it exists today.
I didn't just leave the church because the hypocrisy of the body of Christ, I left because I've done actual research on the bible, which it seems many Christians haven't even done. There are astounding amounts of Christians who hear the bible is a book of god and haven't even read the new testament all the way through, forget about old testament other than maybe Genesis or Exodus. Modern day Christians seem to completely disown the old testament, but love the new testament. You can't get to point B without starting at A. Reasonable modern scholars admit that the old testament is a mixture of things being story, history of a tribe, poetry, and people trying to understand their place in the world. There is little to no evidence of the existence of Moses, Abraham, or Noah. Yet when you get to the new testament, Jesus speaks of people living in the absence of god before the great flood of Noahs time. If this was indeed god himself, then why would he allude to a past event that he knew didn't take place in Noahs time, if Noah even existed in the first place? There is the extremely unnerving reality that all 4 gospels have no real credible authorship, other than what the early church labeled the gospels as being wrote by. Which brings up another interesting problem. If the gospel was spreading and was accepted by so many, then why doesn't the early church have any clue who wrote the actual four main gospels of the new testament? They should be the first ones to know who wrote them! Especially because those churches were established by the disciples themselves according to the bible! Let's also add in the basis of Christianity, Christs death and resurrection. This echos a widely told Greek tale at the time of the gospels, The Odyssey. Odysseus was thought to be dead, went to Hades, and came back to life 3 days later. This would have been a widely known story told through Greece, where Jesus or at least his disciples would have known the tale. Then there is the destruction of the Pagan religions and cultures that Christians have caused over time. The mark that the three Abrahamic religions has left on the word religion alone has made it so difficult for those who seek god outside of them, that they can't say they are religious, they have to go with a new word, spiritual. Whether it be belief in modern pagan traditions, eastern teachings, or whatever else you want to believe in, you can no longer say you are a religious person without people assuming you are at the very least a Christian. Do your homework on your own religion before you start bashing people on their personal life choices.
I've done actual research on the Bible and its' validity for a number of years. We do know with great certainty the authorship of the gospels. Jesus spoke authoritatively about the Old Testament and He didn't have to allude to it. He confirmed the existence of Adam and Eve, Moses, Noah, the prophets, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. I would recommend you read some books by Norman Geisler and also Cold Case Christianity by Warner Wallace as a start for some good evidence. I cannot and will not excuse the hypocrisy of some Christians but overall, Christianity has brought a positive change to the world for many people over the centuries. People always point out the bad but the good definitely outweighs the bad. Please read some books by these gentlemen with an open mind and reconsider. I ask that God brings you a better understanding and provides you with the evidence you need to see.
What an accurate article, well done.
(these 4 were the same article, not sure if you could just use the one response I gave or if I need to do more, I just have no idea what they are talking about lol)
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She may be in a State of Panic, anxiety or even mass hysteria. She may be having bad dreams about it, but those who really Trust in God and in Jesus Christ God's Only Son WILL NOT Panic.
Only BEGOTTEN Son.
"Anyone who follows the spirit of God is the son of God."–Romans 8
Well I don't know about her, but we all should be in a state of panic over the cave man delusions people are falling for these days. Has anyone seen christian prophecy teachings on tv lately?
To be fair, by the 4th century the Pope still hadn't decided if Revelations should even be put n the Bible. It's really not compatible with the Gospel. Real Christians focus on the Sermon on the Mount, mean-ass loonybin pseudo-Christians focus on Revelations. An ugly violent future-tripping piece of crap, except for a few lines.
Personally, I think John ate some bad pizza and had a nightmare, then marketed it. It should be called the Book of Bad Pizza.
Typically I would ignore such subjective criticism of the Book, but I'm just deciding to educate the doubters today. When Jesus is seen, His clothes are seen as a symbol of His power over the Church, they resemble those of priest's. When Jesus said He knocks on the door, it is the door to our hearts, and the destruction that happens shouldn't be an excuse to insult the validity of the Book.
There's such a thing as sacred insults, holy insults, insults that make God laugh and sing.
Self-seriousness is a sign of spiritual deficiency.
"Why is it people think that because I am not solemn, that I am not serious?"
"I have nothing against Christianity. I just think it's never been tried."
–George Bernard Shaw, the most successful playwright since Shakespeare, and a sacred clown if there ever was one.
Usually I don't eat beef, but sacred cows are my favorite food. It's a holy duty. Only the heart is sacred. The rest is pretentious pomposity.
The people who decided what books went into the New Testament, and which would be left out (including the brilliant Gospel of Thomas), were highly fallible human beings with an agenda that was anything but pure.
And if you don't know Greek and Hebrew, you've never read the Bible. You've read a translation of a translation of a third hand account. Did you ever meet the translator? Was he God?
Now I dig Jesus, and Paul and James and John had some real zingers too. But truth is in YOU (the Logos, the REAL son of God, as in John 1, horribly translated as "In the Beginning was the Word"–ah no, that's not what Logos means at all, and not what John meant at all. That's why I say, you've never read the Bible. QUACK!
Truth is not ink on paper. The word "dog" will not guard your house, the word "food" will not fill your belly.
Friggin' clowns. Only the "peace that passes understanding", "heaven within you" is the truth. Words are only words.
And no scripture, no religion, no belief system comes within miles of the reality of God within you.
"You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows."–Gospel According to Bob
"I thank you Father, that you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual, and revealed them unto babes."
Which scripture do babies read? The Gospel according to WOW.
They are leaving because Religion is no longer relevant to modern life.
Ah, Dawkins and the funless mentalists are flip sides of the same coin. Equally dogmatic, equally unwilling to do a real scientific exploration of the God question, of whether the Universe has a Consciousness. Who's the biologist whose team created the first cloned human embryo? And who helped cut post-heart surgery deaths in half, with Christian Baarnard? Now he's got something called "biocentrism", is it? The idea that our consciousness is completely distinct from the body, in fact completely distinct from time and space. HE'S got something to say, beyond the pseudo-scientific materialism of Dawkins et al. The hallucination that there is such a thing as a solid, objective material universe, and that we can perceive it through the senses. Dawkins' dogma. 19th century stuff, a true dinosaur, pre-quantum, pre-string theory, a real sleepwalker. Yes, we are inches away from scientifically discovering "God", meaning Consciousness beyond all form. This is gonna be fun. "Biocentrism", I think that's the word. Let me go find the biologist, hugely successful guy. And one of the biggest names in stem cell research.
I don't agree totally with Dawkins either – I read The God Delusion as well as Sam Harris' book The End of Faith, and I doubt total materialistic atheism is the truth- not everything that exists is material. I just like how Harris and Dawkins expose the moral and intellectual bankrupcy of modern day religious fundamentalism.
Modern science is only a model of reality. It is not reality. All myths are a model of reality, a way of explaining.
And so-called "paranormal" phenomena which defy materialist dogmas, are everywhere.
My father's stepmother was Vaughn de Leath, said to be the first person to sing on radio, in 1920. She invented "crooning", later popularized by Rudy Vallee and Bing Crosby. You can hear her at the beginning and end of "Cider House Rules".
One day my father was out in the fields, and he heard Vaughn say "Gordon!"
He ran back to the house, and said, "Did you call me, Vaughn?"
"Not audibly," she replied. She and my grandfather were into that woo-woo stuff, as Sam Harris contemptuously calls it. Hey, Relativity is pretty woo-woo. Who would believe it if we didn't know it was accepted truth, from Einstein?
That kind of practical woo-woo is normal in my family, and my life. There are worlds and worlds beyond the materialist myth.
Joseph Campbell, tongue in cheek, defines "mythology" as "other people's religion". Our religion, our myth, is real of course. ;) And the idea of a material universe with no conscious Creator and no purpose, is just one more mythology. There's nothing scientific about it.
Is there a reality beyond ALL myths? Ah, that's what we're about to find out. The REAL science.
Yeah, its got to be something. That's for sure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe–the idea that Life transcends the universe. The scientific approach to God.
"I had therefore to remove knowledge to make room for belief"
-Immanuel Kant
If you are a born again, evangelical, pentecostal bible believing Christian who believes in hell, watches Daystar, and likes reading Left Behind, please listen to these points.
Your God knows everything and declares the end from the beginning, He knew everything that would happen and predestined who would be saved (Romans 9). The "elect" are saved and those not predestined are sent to hell. (Like it or not this is what "God's word" says) So, God ordained everything and deluded humans into thinking they had free will, when in reality every event, thought, and action was caused by arbitrary decisions that God made before time began, including salvation. So your being saved from hell or condemned to hell is based on an arbitrary decision that has already been made.
In Matthew 7, Jesus says "nice try, but I never knew you." You can try avoiding "worldly" pleasures, and "die to yourself", but it is not possible to know if you've done this well enough to hear "well done faithful servant". You may think you know, you may feel holy or pure, but you really don't know- to know which way God decided heaven or hell before time began requires infinite knowledge, which only your God has.
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just stating observations about how evangelical theology is a philosophical impossibility unless there is no free will and God makes people sin and go to hell. If there is a less moral view out there I haven't found it yet.
Ugh, don't conflate "evangelical" with "fundamentalist". I tend to think that Rachel Held Evans is evangelical in the truer sense of the word and that's not a bad thing. Get past the hijacking that televangelists have done of the term in the last 30 years.One can be evangelical and still be non-biblical-literalist high church Protestants (take the ELCA for example)
Jimmy Carter was the first evangelical President in modern times, and he's the real deal. Many of the rest wouldn't know the Gospel if it sat on them. Aligned with greedheads, mass murdering militarists, and bigots.
"God told me to blow up hundreds of thousands of civilians and make millions of others homeless. And to lie about the reasons with fake intelligence."–George W. Bush
"Gen. Rios-Montt of Guatemala is in favor of human rights and democracy."–Ronald Reagan, the same week that the General's troops grabbed dozens of children by their ankles and bashed their brains out.
On and on and on. "By their fruits you will know them."
As a millenium, I simply just think that the church worries to much about docterine instead of the core of Christianity. Also, they judge if you follow anything else. I strongly believe in God and the Bible but I also follow the teachings of Buddah. Buddism isn't really a religion but rather a lifestyle and extreamly supplemental to Christianity. There is actually a theory out there that Jesus actually went east and spoke with buddists during the gap of time where we have no record of where Jesus was, because, when he returned his teaching lined up with those of Buddah. Also, I just want people to understand that God is a supernatural being and therefore, by having us put everything spiritual in a box is counterproductive. We need to be open to divine intervention instead of just interpreting things so literally. It's OK that the Bible mean different things to different people because we need to feel personally convicted by the holy spirit.
There were Buddhist missionaries in the Eastern Mediterranean long before Jesus, and some of his teachings are word-for-word identical to the Buddha's. Where he differs, is in the focus on physical miracles and heaven here on earth. "As you believe, so it is done." Healings, being taken care of, "Take no thought for what you shall eat...and wear."
God so SO far beyond any human concepts, religions, scriptures, beliefs. It is the height of arrogance to think that our interpretations and ideas about God are within miles of who God really is. Words are only words.
"I thank you Father, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual, and revealed them unto babes."
Right but in reference to what Jesus highlighted as being the most important concepts, where also what Buddah spoke on the most as welll. Buddah emphasized on concepts very similar to divine intervention and miracals just with different terminology. You should read "Living Buddah, Living Christ" It is a phenomenal book. I think you might actually enjoy that book. Written by a Buddist Monk who spent time in a Catholic Monestary.
We want to ask questions that don't have predetermined answers..............
This is impossible with any religion........YOU MUST HAVE PREDETERMINED answers...otherwise god is not god....undetermined questions means god is fallible and didn't create the world correctly....ie...he makes mistakes....that's a NO NO.
That's Western religions. The meditation-oriented ones are not about dogmas and beliefs, They're about letting go of dogmas and beliefs, and discovering by your own experience, the heaven or liberation within, the "peace that passes understanding." I believe so was Jesus, but the followers and control freaks took his teaching somewhere else. It's still there, hidden between the words, beyond all religions or beliefs, the real-deal Gospel, "love your enemies", "as you do unto the least of these, so you do unto Me,", "get the log out of your own eye," "let him who is without sin cast the first stone," "judge not," "do good to those who hate you," "heaven is at hand/within you/in your midst/does not come with observation/is not a place, it's a state"–all the stuff that "Christians" ignore in favor of pie in the sky when you die, God's gonna get you if you don't toe the line, wives be subservient to your husbands, and all that dogmatic BS.
I point to research that shows young evangelicals often feel they have to choose between their intellectual integrity and their faith, between science and Christianity, between compassion and holiness.......
ONE HAS TO UNDERSTAND religions are about total and absolute control of the individual ...look at the MORMONS and all the new religions that SPRING UP IN THIS COUNTRY.... you don't see this is Europe...it's mostly about the IGNORANT IN THE SOUTH AND MID WEST IN THIS COUNTRY...they're terrified through the use of shame, guild and being born with sin...lololol...the religious organizations are the BEST WHEN IT COME TO CONTROL THROUGH FEAR.....republicans come in a distance second....but they catching up fast.
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After my bathroom is painted tomorrow it will be time to add the finishing touches.
I purchased a curved shower bar by Moen for my 5' soaking/shower tub. I have been reading about them and found someone said that the curved area can be pulled down if the curtain is too heavy. Have any of you that have a curved rod found this to be true? Would you suggest I stay with a straight rod instead or do the advantages of the curved rod out weigh the disadvantages of it? Thank-you, Margie |
Follow-Up Postings:
- Posted by cindy_socal (My Page) on Thu, May 1, 08 at 23:32
We installed one last week - we love it. I have just a fabric liner hanging on it now (haven't found a pretty outer curtain that we agree on yet). It's very strong; I can't imagine a curtain pulling it down. You really do feel the extra elbow room. |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Thu, May 1, 08 at 23:51
Thank you Cindy...what brand did you get? Does it have the separate ends that mount on the wall and then the center rod? |
Unless I had an extra-wide tub, I wouldn't even consider a straight shower curtain. We have a curved rod on the standard cheapie 30" wide Kohler Villager, and it actually doesn't feel claustrophobic. No icky curtain clinging to your elbow when you wash your hair. I think it makes a HUGE difference. I bought mine from Signature Hardware online for $127, including new shower curtain hooks, and worth every penny. Mine was oil rubbed bronze; chrome would be cheaper. We mounted it so that the ends were several inches inside the edge of the tub (the center bowed out several inches outside from the edge of the tub), and that also helps keep the water from splashing out onto the floor. |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Fri, May 2, 08 at 11:19
Sounds like it is a good idea to have... astredt...is this the one that you got from signature? I see it comes in ORB which I also need. Thank you |
Here is a link that might be useful: signature curved rod
We also bought a curved rod for my boys' bath (which is also used by my DH). They all love it and I even love how it looks from the outside. It actually gives some interest to the blah shower. It's heavy duty and I bought it a Lowes (or HD) for around $40. |
- Posted by cindy_socal (My Page) on Fri, May 2, 08 at 18:09
I bought ours at Bed Bath & Beyond -- I think it was $40, and of course I had a 20% coupon. I think they have ORB. It has separate brackets that screw into the tile. I splurged on fancy polished nickel hooks from Signature Hardware. I showered in there this morning, and the extra room is really nice. |
Just installed a 72" inch chrome curved shower bar over our new 72" tub. Love it. Makes a significant difference. Purchased from Signature Hardware for $60.52 including S/H. Can't think of any good reason not to get one. |
Yes, that's the one that I got. I like it, and also like the shower rings with the little rollers. I think it will help prevent the rod from getting scratched. |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Sun, May 4, 08 at 15:07
After hearing all you and your positive thoughts about the curved rod, I have decided to stay with it. The one I bought is a Moen in ORB and also ORB hooks with the little balls. The hooks should be arriving tomorrow with my grab bar order from Grab bar specialists. The rod I purchased at Home Expo. We have one about 2 miles from home. I will let you know how I like it! |
The curved shower rod is a stroke of genius. But we won't have a tub in an alcove with one (relatively) straight shower rod -- we're renovating to include a 1920's corner tub, with one of those L-shaped bars above it. Is there a comparable way to get a touch of extra elbow room in this situation? We could size the L to be a little BIGGER than the tub dimensions and then make sure the curtain stays inside the tub, but that feels as though it would be asking for trouble. |
- Posted by don_chuwish (My Page) on Sun, May 4, 08 at 21:36
Funny, I just picked up two Crescent Rod curved bars at BB&B - 39.99 minus a 20% off coupon on each. Then I come here looking for threads on them and there's one on the first page! Glad to see everyone agrees on the benefits. I was surprised how much the little roller hooks go for tho - $19 for chrome, $11 for any other finish. Then I found another style for $12 and went with that. I'll probably get around to installing next weekend. - D |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Sun, May 4, 08 at 21:51
What confuses me alittle bit is the photo that I saw on placement of the curved rod...The photo I have shows the curve of the rod and the edges in a few inches on a squarish type tub... Is this how you all are placing your rods? I am just wondering how the outside decorative curtain can stay outside the tub then the curtain is closed? Any help would be appreciated. |
Here is a link that might be useful: curved rod placement on square tub
I have the two ends of the curved rod mounted 3 1/2 " inside of the outer edge of the tub. The center of the curved rod is 3 1/2" outside the outer edge of the tub. I think that gives a few more inches of elbow room than what you have sketched above. The outside decorative curtain stays outside the tub just fine. |
This may be a dumb question, but . . . I've always had a vinyl type liner that stayed inside the tub with the decorative liner on the outside of the tub. With the curved shower rod, do you use a liner and a curtain? And if the curtain is on the outside of the tub, does the water splash out onto the floor? I want a curved rod, but I still do not get how it will work. Please help! Thanks. |
Yes, I have a plastic/vinyl liner that stays inside the tub and a pretty cloth shower curtain that stays outside the tub. A curved shower rod actually prevents the water from splashing out better than a straight one does because with a curved rod the liner follows the inside curve of the tub so the water doesn't escape out of the corner like it would with a straight liner. I have my edges of my curved rods 3 1/2 inches inside the outer edge of the tub. |
Thank you, I'm going to try one ! |
My curved 72" rod is mounted centered over the tub edge. It's mounted at a height that allows both a 72 or 78 inch long curtain to stay inside the tub. Currently using a 94.5 x 78 polyester curtain purchased from Vita Futura without a liner. It looks great. |
Here is a link that might be useful: oversized shower curtains
My daughter has the curved rod in her bath-since we are having bath remodel I had to use her shower last night-I really like that curve-It gave so much room-I was surprised. I think I will purchase one. Is there anyway to install besides drilling into tile |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Fri, May 9, 08 at 19:30
First the good part...I decided to go with curved rod...thank you all...it was installed this morning and I was able to try it out and love it. It really does give so much more room. Now the bad part, while they were drilling the hole for the support the tile cracked. They left it up for the week-end, as I am having family over for Mothers day and then on Mon. will take it down and replace the tile. Two steps forward and one step back! Luckily our GC is very, very good about fixing things that get damaged. Thank God for that! I just noticed Cassies question above...good question but I do not know the answer. Good luck if drilling into the tile! Mine is porcelian if that makes any difference. |
- Posted by brugloverz9 (My Page) on Tue, May 13, 08 at 22:16
Follow-up on above post...when the shower bar was taken down it was found not to have been the drilling that caused the tile to crack, but the tightening of the screws in the plactic anchors. The tile has been replaced and re-grouted and the new bar installed. I am very happy with the curved shower bar! |
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Just received almost a dozen cuttings/diggings (what do you call them?) of red and yellow cannas from a generous soul and planted in pots as given to me. The roots have about a foot of plant above them but from what I've read here, I'm thinking maybe I should trim them close to ground level. Will they flower this season, I'm in West Central Florida?
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- Posted by Foreverlad 9b (My Page) on Sat, Aug 11, 12 at 17:41
Leave them be! I recently took up Canna gardening, and started with a few small purchases from the USF Tropical Fair, supplemented by about 14 tissue culture plants from Florida Hill Nursery, all of them, about the size of yours. Give them a good compost/manure mix, water daily, and provide them as much sun as possible. Don't be alarmed if you see a leaf or two die along the way, as I'm finding they'll 'burn' through leaves quickly, while adding inches to their stalks, and sending up pups around them. It's tough to say if they'll flower this season, but if it stays warm here (I'm in Pinellas) till October/November, it's definitely a possibility. Lastly, don't trim them down unless a particular stalk has flowered. Once a stalk flowers, it's not going to grow further. At that point, trim the stalk back to the base, but leave the rest of the plant alone. |
- Posted by RetiredFlorida none (My Page) on Tue, Aug 14, 12 at 19:10
Thank you Foreverlad last night but apparently the posting didn't stick. The roots or tubes that I received had anywhere from 8 to 12 inches of the plant above the root or ground level attached. I have since trimmed all back to just a few inches above the soil level. One plant, smaller stock, had new growth up through the middle and is probably over a foot tall now, just about to form leaves. I checked the rest and I see two sprouts forming on two of the plants. I had been keeping them in the garage but have since started putting them outdoors. |
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Oct. 16, 2011
The Georgetown University field hockey team (2-13) fell 4-2 in a tough contest against Cornell (6-7) in Ithaca, N.Y. on Sunday afternoon. Catherine Shugrue (Devon, Pa./Episcopal Academy) had one goal and one assist, tallying five points total in weekend competition. Annie Wilson (Darien, Conn./Darien) also had a goal for the Hoyas.
Cornell got out to an early 2-0 lead. Wilson scored off a tipped penalty corner attempt from Shugrue. This was the fifth goal on the season for Wilson.
Shugrue scored late in the second half off a tip from Charlotte Tierney (Rye, N.Y./Holy Child). Shugrue leads the Blue & Gray with seven goals and 17 points over 15 games. The junior forward also scored the only goal for the Hoyas in a game against No. 8 Syracuse on Friday, October 14.
Georgetown tied its team season high with 18 shots against Cornell. Shugrue and Wilson combined for eleven of the 18. The Hoyas also had 18 shots in a 3-2 overtime win against Lehigh on September 2.
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NEW YORK — Jessica Sanchez can be herself again.
After being voted out by the public and then saved by the judges for a powerful version of Jazmine Sullivan's "Stuttering" — a song Sanchez loves, but most of the public doesn't know — she took to heart advice given her by her 'American Idol' mentor, Interscope Records chief executive Jimmy Iovine.
"I don't think I really stayed true to myself," she said. "I'm happy now that I'm really able to show myself and I have the opportunity to do it."
She plans on showing off the traits that make her unique on this season's "Idols" summer tour. "It's more upbeat, more fun," she says of her set. "There's nothing slow. People can jam to it. It's more like the way I want my album to be."
While she's on tour, Sanchez is also working on her debut album for Interscope Records, which she hopes will be released in November.
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25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity . | 25 O LORD, save us; O LORD, grant us success. |
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5 since they have known about me for a long time, if they are willing to testify, that I lived as a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. | 5 They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee. |
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The media coverage made the Gosselins, parents of 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets, one of the country's most discussed couples even before the reality show's fifth season premiere, which netted nearly 10 million viewers, and the media coverage garnered huge ratings for the show all season.
Recently, Kate and Jon hadn't been photographed often together. Kate Gosselin was shown hitting the beach with her children during a recent vacation to North Carolina, sans husband. Jon Gosselin was spotted reportedly shopping for an apartment in New York City.
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My husband and I were married on November 3rd, 2007 so no longer in the newlywed stage but still loving every minute of it. We just moved back to our hometown of Springfield after a year in the south for the military. My husband is an Army officer in the Guard and I am going back to school to pursue a career in nursing. We just welcomed our first little one in April, Willow. She is an angel and a blessing to us. I absolutely love to cook and was in love as soon as I found this site. As I come across recipes of old and new ones I discover I will be quick to share.
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So I am new to the game and after playing the tutorial session with my brother we are getting the hang of this game. so far we are having fun.
I aim to run an eye for an eye for him next and I have myself drafted up a more detailed map of the lodge etc.
Some things that I feel would make this go smoother are :
-some way of better tracking the numerous npcs.portrait cards , tokens etc?
- some form of clue cards.
is there any resources made by the fans out there or tips for making this run as smooth as possible.
thank you.
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I need help determining what type foundation will work for us, that will not sacrifice structural stability, but will still be cost efficient. I live in Southeast Tx, on the coast. We are in the flood plain, but not a high velocity zone. We have very heavy clay soil. We had soil samples taken and they suggested 10' bell bottom piers. The house will be elevated 8' above grade. The total sq ft including wrap around porch is 2800 sq ft. Our current design is spec-ed with 42" Bell Bottom Piers @ 10' deep and a 14"x24" Perimeter Beam. The columns are 16x16 CMU (Cinder Block). We will have 34 piers total. We chose the cinder blocks for 2 reasons, first being that we were getting the cinder block and re-bar dontated to us by a friend in the refractory business and second, when I discussed it with the engineer he said that structurally cinder block was stronger (when done correctly) than wood. He also said that poured concrete was the best option, but that is definitely out of our budget range.
The dilemma now begins, we started getting bids and most builders/contractors prefer wood pilings for cost reduction. I would like to be able to compare the 2 based on actual cost. We thought that getting the cinder block and re-bar free would reduce the cost of going this route, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The additional cost we will incur if we go with wood, is going back to the engineer and having them redesigned using wood pilings. My concern is that with wood, will we end up with more piers to drill? That would alter the way intended on using the lower level (as a garage and entertaining area). I tried to get a number from the builders, like concrete cost per pier is 'x' as opposed to wood is 'x', but with wood we would need 42 instead of 34. Then we could make an informed decision. Make sense? I also wondered if anyone has knowledge of the difference between wood pilings vs the bell bottom pier construction. My Dad just finished his build and he used wood pilings. He is in a high velocity zone. His pilings (24 of them) are 10'x10' @ 8' elevation above grade (not sure how deep they went), but there was no concrete poured around the base of the pilings. Is that typical? Does using the wood, aleviate the need for the bell bottom pier? I tried doing some research online and didn't have much luck. There was alot of information on the strength of the materials and their actual load capacity, but most of the info, was over my head!! Our engineer is out of the country right now and won't be back for a month (maybe longer) or I'd call him, but we have got to make a decision quickly, so we can get some good numbers for our budget. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Suzan |
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- Posted by carterinms (My Page) on Sun, May 24, 09 at 17:42
There is a FEMA document that they issued after Katrina to simplify foundations. I think it was FEMA55, which was the short version, and FEMA550 was the long version. I did a quick search on www.fema.gov, and that appears to be the right number (just type in 55 or 550). I'm not sure what bell bottom pier construction is, so can't help you there. My impression is that wooden pilings fared better than cinderblock or concrete pilings in Katrina. My theory is that the connections at the ends were better. We saw many cases where the concrete or cinderblock pilings were fine, but the house had floated off. And at the top of each piling was an itty-bitty piece of plate. At most, 4"x1/4". But, there are good brackets available, so what your engineer said about cinderbolck and concrete being stronger than wood if done properly is probably true. |
Here is a link that might be useful: FEMA document search
carterinms, I must thank you again. I remember now seeing something on the FEMA website right afte Ike and we were doing all of our mitigation research. So many websites I have visted for sure. Many of the homes destroyed during Ike were older and in High Velocity zones and from what I hear it didn't matter what type foundation they had, becuase the surge was just so high and the debris field was so broad, that they didn't stand a chance. The ones that were left standing, whether wood or concrete, were the new construction that were at 18'-20' elevation above grade. We aren't high velocity, although after Ike, I don't think I can ever be too sure what may happen. We are a 1/4 mile from the bay and never dreamed we'd get that much water up here! Have you all gotten to move in yet? I hope so, it certainly was a long time coming. We haven't broke ground yet, but we are closer. Many of our neghbors are back in their homes, so the neighborhood appears to be coming back, which is a blessing. Anyway, I do thank you again. Would you mind posting the link to the journal on your build? I thought I had it in my favorites, but I don't and I can't find my other post. Best Wishes! |
- Posted by carterinms (My Page) on Mon, May 25, 09 at 13:37
We are in our third week of 4 weeks to go! DH has been working on the staircase - it's gorgeous but has taken a lot of work. I need to update the blog with some new pictures. Maybe tonight. He still has to finish the porches (2.5 days), sand and finish the floors (1 week?), build and install kitchen cabinets (3 weeks), and finish installing the lights, ceiling fans, appliances, kitchen faucets, etc. (1 week). Then we'll see if the county is going to be a pain about letting us move back in. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Bayou Build Blog
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Quick Spanakopita
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Source: Martha Stewart Living, May 2007
- 3 tablespoons olive oil
- 1 large onion, finely chopped
- 3 garlic cloves, minced
- 1 pound baby spinach
- 1 large egg
- 1/4 cup fresh flat-leaf parsley, finely chopped
- 1/4 cup fresh dill, finely chopped
- 6 ounces feta cheese, crumbled
- 1 1/2 teaspoons coarse salt
- 1/4 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
- 10 sheets phyllo dough (each 17 by 12 inches), thawed if frozen
- 1/2 cup (1 stick) unsalted butter, melted
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Heat oil in a large skillet over medium heat. Add onion, and cook until softened, about 8 minutes. Add garlic, and cook, stirring, 1 minute. Gradually add spinach, and cook, stirring often, until wilted, about 5 minutes. Transfer to a bowl. Stir in egg, herbs, feta, salt, and pepper.
Lay 1 sheet phyllo on a parchment-lined baking sheet (cover remaining phyllo with a damp towel), and brush with butter. Repeat twice. Spread spinach mixture on center. Top with 3 more buttered sheets. Fold in sides. Butter remaining 4 sheets; crumple over top. Bake until dark golden, about 40 minutes.
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AbbyCakes 23 Nov, 2010
This is a fantastic combination of herbs. I used pillsbury filo dough and filled the spinach mixture and made mini crescents. I did not use butter, but did brush egg over the tops of the crescents. Delicious!!! I did not find this bitter at all. I plan to serve this for Thanksgiving as an appetizer!
asalewski 2 May, 2010
Really good and easy, but I think it has a little too much dill in it. I'll use less of that next time.
goodygirl 3 Dec, 2008
Absolutely delicious. This is a great way to put together a "spanakopita" without all of the work. I've made this a number of times. It is a favorite of my husband's, who's favorite veggie is spinach.
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My ear buds had been disappearing a while. I knew who the culprit was, and for Christmas I decided to get them the Maxell 19055 Ear Buds. They were so cute, they were M&Ms! I bought these via Amazon.com and I think I paid around $7 for them. I didn't want to get anything too expensive for sake of losing them. These came in several colors, but I chose the green. These earbuds on the outside look just like M&Ms, and they are labeled with an L and an R for left and right. There are also some small black rubber adaptors you can put onto them if they don't fit your ears just right. These are pretty easy to put on and I was afraid that they were going to pop off every time you removed the buds from your ears, but they do shift a tad bit but haven't had any trouble with them coming off. These have the following specs:Impedance: 16 ohms +/- 10% Drivers: 9.3mm Magnet: Neodymium Sensitivity: 100dB @ 1kHz Maximum Input: 5 mW Frequency Response: 16-24,000 Hz Plug: 3.5 mm straight plug Cord Length: 4 ftWhat's good about these is that it has a nice long cord on them. Also, since these are green, it's hard to lose them too! As far as sound goes, don't expect a whole lot of bass in them. I used these a couple of times and they were pretty decent, but I like a bit more bass in mine. Other than that, pretty good set for $7, not to mention they are really cute, hard to lose since they're green, and they have a nice long cord to them. This would be great for kids or teenagers, but for those of us with more refined taste in headphones, these might be a tad too much of a novelty and wouldn't provide superior sound you're looking for. I would recommend them just to have around though, we've experienced no problems with these.


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