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The Myth of Having Summers Off
"So you're a teacher, huh?" says the umpteenth Joe know-it-all. I know the tone, and I know what's coming. "Must be nice having summer's off," he sneers.
I don't know what mythical job this guy thinks I have, but I have never had a summer off.
I don't know who these teachers are who are supposedly laying around all summer sippin' sangrias without a thought of prepping for the year before them. But I'm not one of them.
In fact, is there really a "them?"
Bottom line is that every year since entering teaching, and you should know that I am a second career teacher, having come from The World Beyond, I have seen some of the busiest summer months of my life. This is for many reasons:
1. I generally have to work summer school because let's face it, who doesn't need the moo-la? And that's not just about the hours I spend with students, but the hours I need to spend prepping for them. I develop the lesson plans and set up my learning environment for a whole new slew of students that I'll only have for a month or so.
2. I attend or head Department and curriculum meetings that are scheduled during July and August. This summer, I'm working on developing the 8th grade ELA performance tasks for my district. But I'm not the only one. There are teachers all over my district, at every grade level, developing these assessments this year.
3. I develop and improve the curriculum that may or may not have worked over the school year, and summer's the only chunk of time to reflect and tweak those lessons.
4. I build a library of new lessons because, let's face it, I sure as heck don't have a lot of time to do that during a year that is packed full of high-energy, tightly paced, over-scheduled days. I go through my feeds and readers and pull resources to use. I create files to access during the school year. I develop Project Based Learning units to save myself much-needed time during the actual school year.
5. I learn the new technology or new curriculum programs I've been given. Once again, summer's the only time to learn them. So whether I'm being asked to pilot teaching with a class set of iPads (like last summer) or, having now passed those to another teacher, a class set of Chromebooks like this upcoming year, I need to spend my summer educating myself on the tools with which I will be teaching and guiding my students.
6. I write, I blog, I comment. In other words, I maintain my online relationships so that collaboration is easier throughout the school year. After all, not all answers will come from your own staff. You have to develop and maintain a VLC (virtual learning community) as well as a PLC. Resources come from everywhere.
7. I continue my own professional development. I take classes or attend webinars. I join Twitter conversations or Google Hangouts. It's a 24-7-365 education conference out there!
8. I heal and recharge my batteries for the next round of middle schoolers to come through my door. It's true. By the end of the year, teachers are limping towards vacation. And do the math: by the end of summer school, the mythical 2 months you are accused of having off really only amounts to 3 weeks or so until the start of the new year. And those weeks are filled moving your own student desks from the pile in the middle of the room, putting up your bulletin boards, shoving shelves back into place, planning, prepping, preparing, and scabbing over.
Teachers as Yearlong Learners
Back to my Joe Know-it-all: I really should've asked if he wanted to spend his year doing what I do. I spend my days, my minutes, and my hours existing at the pace of a middle schooler. Frankly, I deserve some time off after that. But the fact is, not only do I not get it, I don't know how I would ever function with it.
After all, thinking like a teacher never ends. And when you love teaching, you can't just turn it off at the end of June.
You still continue to search for books in every store to replenish your classroom library. When a big news story comes out, you immediately try to seek out that last copy of the New York Times to use as a primary document to refer to in upcoming years. You pick up props and realia to supplement your lesson plans.
The fact is, we need the breaks we get in order to do the job that we do 10 months of the year. And the other 2 months are spent doing other parts of the job.
Civilians don't realize the toll that teaching takes on a person, on their energy, their appearance even. You ever see the pictures of a president before their term began and after their term ended? Well, teaching's kinda like that. Adult humans aren't built to spend their days with hundreds of children each day. It takes a lot out of an adult to have their antennae up so high, so often, so consistently.
And yet we have troops of people willing to return to the classroom year after year, with no summer break, just for the honor of calling themselves teachers.
The least those civilians can do is acknowledge that while their children are at camp, giving them a break from parenting, we intend to do what we always do...be teachers.
Hope you are having a great summer.
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You said:
"If you think teachers are only responsible for teaching the absolute basics - that belief in and of itself is the major root of the problem in the education system. That you would advertise that theory here is bizarre. I wouldn't want a doctor treating me to provide merely the basics, but superior care that would provide not just a satisfactory outcome but the most optimal one possible."
Your doctor will provide the "most optimal[sic] one possible" only to the extent that your health insurance will cover it. For example, a cancer patient who wanted a promising experimental treatment that was not yet covered by insurance would have to pay for it out of pocket. Similarly, our educational system will educate students only to the extent of the classes they can provide as taught by the teachers in the school. If you want something beyond that, you have to pay for it out of pocket. Sure, you *want* the best care possible from your doctor and the best education possible for your daughter. Everyone wants those things. But just because you want something doesn't necessarily make it practical.
You also said:
"As for your comment on my daugher's dubious giftedness (although its really not central to the argument) n Otis Lenon test, a non-verbal Naglieri test, and a half day of one on one psychological testing would confirm my daughter's ability. But I never needed test scores to figure that one out....you see, Jeff, that was one of my points, if teachers would only go the extra mile.....but that one - as you've articulated - is lost on you but hopefully not too many others in your profession. All the best. I hope you have a basically good summer."
Actually, I don't think it's lost on me. I do go the extra mile for my students. Most of the teachers I work with do the same, to the extent that they're capable (given the limits of other commitments outside of work time, and the ability and willingness of students to actually show up after school to take advantage of that extra mile). I'm required to stay after school at least one day a week for one hour, to ensure that students can meet with me for extra help. I typically make myself available to students for two to three hours after school three to four days per week. If they have a question after that, they can send me email--I check my email most evenings and respond to students when they ask. Even though I teach physics, I help my students (and other teachers' students when they come by) with chemistry, math, English, and their college essays. I work with students on more advanced topics if they have the time and inclination. I also advise the school's science team. So your claim that this is "lost" on me is inaccurate.
However, just because I do go the extra mile, and I think it's a good thing when other teachers go the extra mile because the benefit to students is tremendous, that does not mean I think it's OK for a parent to demand that a teacher go the extra mile. You have every right to demand that I provide the educational services that I am contracted to provide. You have every right to ask that I go beyond what I'm paid for out of charity. And if you ask, I will usually do so if there's a way. However, you do not have the right to demand that I go beyond what I'm paid to do, any more than I would have a right to go into your workplace and demand that you provide services above and beyond what your job requires or your company guarantees. Does a fat person have a right to demand larger portions at a restaurant? Would you have the right to demand that the plumber you've hired to fix a leak in your kitchen also fixes a leak in your bathroom for no additional cost (or only the cost of materials)? Would you have the right to demand that your mechanic replaces your battery for free when you need a new alternator?
I get that you want teachers to go the extra mile. I'm happy that you're an involved parent who advocates for your daughter. But, as I tell my students when they behave similarly, "It's a bad idea to annoy the person who is in a position to decide whether or not to go out of his/her way to give you what you want."
You got the doctor analogy wrong or perhaps it's because we have a different medical system here in Canada (perhaps we have a different education system too). Comparing a doctor providing additional testing would be the same as expecting a teacher to have a specialized software program to get the job done. What do you think doctors or teachers were expected to do when there was none of that in days gone by - as I said they would be required to provide the most optimal outcome within their means. So, again, you've missed the point. As I expect a doctor to come with current medical knowledge to my annual physical, a receptive attitude, an updated understanding of the latest pharmaceuticals, and an implicit joy in his calling, dedication to his work, a continual honing of his skills to his patient's benefit, and integrity and ethics above and beyond what I would expect of my plumber (according to his oath), so do I expect the teacher teaching my child to have the same. Those qualities are all within the person and have nothing to do with any above and beyond. And yes like any good employer I do demand the utmost for the salary I pay. As a parent it is my absolute right to have high expectations of my child's teacher while she is in his classroom, five days a week, ten months of the year. Tell me Jeff, do you really want to look back on this generation of children and say "Yup, we taught them the basics, that's all we were paid to do"?
Yes, my analogy was based on the US healthcare system, but my understanding of the Canadian system is that your doctor does the utmost of what's available given the realities of funding, availability, etc., and if you want anything beyond what's available, you have to go elsewhere. (Some wealthy Canadians do go to the US to pay for treatments that are above and beyond what's considered medically necessary.)
Jenn writes:
"And yes like any good employer I do demand the utmost for the salary I pay."
In my school, the salary you pay includes seven hours of face time each school day, plus one additional hour per week availability for extra help, plus two additional hours per month for meetings. It also includes whatever time is necessary outside of the school day to prepare lessons, tests, homework assignments, grade papers, etc. A good rule of thumb is that it takes a minimum of half an hour of prep time per hour of instruction. I happen to spend double that because I provide pre-written class notes on my website for every class, but that's above and beyond what's required. (Of course, if a teacher has three sections of the same class, the prep for that class only needs to happen once.) It takes about twice as long to create and edit a homework assignment or test (including trying all of the problems and thinking through the different ways students might approach them) as it takes for the students to complete it. It takes about 3-5 minutes per student to grade a homework assignment or a test, and maybe twice that for an essay if the teacher is efficient. On an average school day, the typical mediocre "who cares?" teacher you're describing probably needs to spend eight to ten hours on school-related work. I think that's pretty a pretty fair return on the salary you're paying.
Also, remember that teachers are blue-collar union laborers, not white-collar professionals. It's much more apropos to compare teachers with plumbers than with doctors, so your comment of "As I expect a doctor to come with [list of requirements] above and beyond what I would expect of my plumber (according to his oath), so do I expect the teacher teaching my child to have the same." is inappropriate. Perhaps the problem is that your expectations align with your misinformed impression of what you think the teaching profession is "supposed to be" instead of aligning with the profession as it actually exists.
Jenn writes:
"As a parent it is my absolute right to have high expectations of my child's teacher while she is in his classroom, five days a week, ten months of the year. Tell me Jeff, do you really want to look back on this generation of children and say 'Yup, we taught them the basics, that's all we were paid to do'?"
I do much more than that for my own students, and I have no intention of looking back and saying "that's all we were paid to do". I also have no intention of looking back and saying, "If only people like Jenn had realistic expectations of what's possible and worked with teachers instead of just maligning them every chance she got, maybe a higher level of collaboration between parents and teachers would have been possible. Oh well. I tried, but it didn't work."
No, I don't intend to do that. Instead, I'm trying to help you see a point of view that you're steadfastly refusing to consider, in the hopes of turning you from an adversary into an ally. Clearly, it's not working, but just as I wouldn't give up on your daughters' education, I'm not about to give up on yours either.
To Jeff and all disgruntled teachers near and far who are like-minded,
You just don't seem to get it so I really do give up :)
I would like to end on a pleasant note - so here's to all you amazing teachers out there and here's to your summers and Christmas breaks and Spring breaks off. Cheers!
The Teacher's Oath
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:* I will respect the hard-won gains of those educators in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
* I will apply, for the benefit of my students, all strategies known to be effective, avoiding busy-work in favor of work with real meaning to the students and their families.
* I will remember that there is art to teaching as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the textbook reading or the multiple choice test.
* I will work with my colleagues to inspire one another to achieve excellence. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed to help my students.
* If it is given me to enhance a life through teaching, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to cast a shadow over a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty.
* I will remember that I do not teach a lesson plan, or a reading deficiency, but a human being, whose skills may affect the person's future family and economic stability. My efforts will aim to teach the whole child, and help that child develop in mind and spirit.
* If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of teaching those who seek my help.
Jenn -
"Dear School Administrator,
For the past 13 years I have observed and interacted with and sought out ... "
Complaints all legit in my eyes:) Just don't paint us with one one brush!!!
Get yourself a teaching certificate. You seem to know what's wrong. - We need you:) Come in and set the example!!! We can learn from you!
This brilliant student hits the nail on the head...though sadly I bet it changed nothing for the lady sitting at the head of the room. Hope I can get the right youtube link here. If I lose you, it's called High School Student Wrecks Teacher. My 14 year old was shown it by a school mate and passed it on How pleased I am they recognized the importance of the message. http://youtu.be/xsoLIpRmQTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ZRuM8UtDA Video has been removed from the other link, so maybe try this one.
This blog post completely resonates with me today. Last night the panic attacks started with the thought of, "Holy Cow I have one 3 weeks until school starts.... I have so much to do!!!" And then the long list of random thoughts poured out onto a notepad making me even more anxious for the start of school.
I do know teachers that have summers off and I just don't understand how they do it. I don't like teaching the exact same thing every year. I would get bored and become a mediocre teacher. I need the summer to rejuvenate myself. I teach art so I spend my summers making art, visiting art museums, taking art classes and visiting with other art educators. I need this sharing to get inspired. If I am not inspired, how can I ask my students to be?
A couple of points in this post that really made me go... "OH YEAH! I do that!".... were:
1. Every bookstore or shop I go into I seem to be looking to add to my library or random boxes of supplies.
2.I try to reflect in the school year as much as I can, but there really isn't enough time revamp those lessons unless you work in the summer too.
3. I too feel like I am crawling towards the finish line by the end of the year with all of my energy completely spent from performing all day long for ten months.
And most of all... I'm sick of that comment that says, "Oh, you are a teacher. Must be nice to have summers off."
Thanks for sharing and thank you for reminding me I am not alone.
It's not "summer's off." It's not possessive or a contraction. It's just plural.
It's not..."is there really a 'them?'" The question mark goes outside the quotation mark if the question mark applies to the whole sentence.
I was searching the web for encouragement to become a teacher, but now I'm discouraged again. Every teacher essay I've encountered just seems to point out how beleaguered they feel and how superhuman they are. Sorry for the nit-picking, but bad punctuation drives me crazy.


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Wed, Mar 18, 09 at 8:18
I just read about someone treating a potato bed as a perennial.
Said he always had volenteers potatoes the next year from ones he'd missed--as I think we all do. So-he stopped digging, and just replanted at harvest time. He said he did this for 7 or 8 years. I'd think, as long as you kept the ground in good shape, compost, etc it might work. What do you think? |
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- Posted by jspeachyn5 6 SW MO. (My Page) on Wed, Mar 18, 09 at 10:42
Since this will be my first year at growing potatoes. I would love to hear all the ideas. It would be a great idea as far as I would be concerned. I would thing as you said just make sure to apply compost faithfully etc. The more I think about it I think I may place my potato bed in a different spot. So I can try this. Bonnie |
- Posted by sunnyside1 z6/SW Mo. (My Page) on Wed, Mar 18, 09 at 10:55
It sounds good. I've only grown potatoes once before and we had a good crop. This year I'm growing them in two 12-gallon white poly bags and trying one 5-gallon bucket to be filled with shredded leaves. Ceresone, I'd love to hear how well it works next year. |
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Because of the support of 26 sponsors and the hundreds of participants, many students in health-related and other programs will have the opportunity to continue their education.
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Tenor Robert White sings 28 romantic songs spanning the century by both native American and immigrant composers, from Amy Beach in 1899 to Marc Marder's Walt Whitman setting of 1996. There are many favourites (or 'favorites') here from the musical stage, including Friml's Rose Marie and Victor Herbert's Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life. Malotte's famous setting of The Lord's Prayer is also included. The title of the CD is taken from Samuel Barber's beautiful setting of James Agee (the poet of Knoxville, Summer of 1924).
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bhill2 Posts: 1,427you would have to drive the TDI 86,538 miles before you would recuperate the original $2500 price difference. Just some food for thought.
Some additional food for thought. I consider a car with 86,538 miles to be well broken-in. My wife and I have a car (gas job in this case) with 260,000 miles on it. While at this point I consider it to be heading for the last round-up, when it was at 173,076 miles (twice your calculated break even point) it was still one of our mainstream rides.2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)
moparbad Posts: 3,842you would have to drive the TDI 86,538 miles before you would recuperate the original $2500 price difference. Just some food for thought.
Here is more food for thought to enjoy munching on.
Not only will you make up the difference in fuel cost's by 90,000 miles, you will actually make a PROFIT when you sell the diesel at 90,000 miles.
$9105 KBB value for 2003 Jetta GLS TDI Sedan 90,000 miles
$5855 KBB value for 2003 Jetta GLS TDI Sedan 90,000 miles
Diesel is worth $3250 more than gasoline model at 90,000 miles. Diesel retains higher resale value. -
puffin1 Posts: 276The HatchBack is back and in demand. Alot of people looked down on them. The Acura Integ and RSX was dropped.(Big mistake Acura) Mazda HB's are selling fast. They even built them with a smile.Cheverolet has the Aveo, but don't lean your elbows on it,as they'll ding it.Just look at the Versa, Fit, Yaris and the Sion HB's they are selling as fast as they come in.The Astra Hatches are nice ,but like the Accent they need more HP. (just tweaked a little) Watch out for Kia's Soul and a HB Forte.( KIa's a comer)
I hope Ford gets the Focus right and VW 's reliability problems have been ironed out. Ford better get off their duffs and get that Focus here or they might loose out to the competion.
I forgot to mention the Mini, nows the time to get one,if you want one.
One question . How come VW makes a quality, sort off bullit proof car in the GTI, but could never seem to get it right with the Golf? :confuse: -
thammer62 Posts: 48Those with experience please chime in - Consumerreports reliablity of Turbodiesel Golfs is horrendous. Black circles everywhere. Someone give me some real life stories of how your Golf has held up - TDI or not. I want one but staring at that reliability report is going to be hard to overcome.
It should be noted that the last 2 years of gasoline Rabbit '07 and '08 have been very reliable (or above average). -
gagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,255The 2010 Golf won the 2009 car of the world title.
NEW YORK, April 9, 2009 -- The Volkswagen Golf was honored as the 2009 World Car of the Year. A jury comprised of fifty-nine international automotive journalists from twenty-five countries around the world chose this year's World Car of the Year, which was announced this morning at a news conference during the New York International Auto Show. "It is a tremendous honor for Volkswagen to have its global best selling model, the Golf, named the 2009 World Car of the Year," said Stefan Jacoby,
I have two acquaintances with early Golf TDI models. They seem to love them. Neither would get rid of them until a better car comes along. VW did suffer from reliability issues over the last decade. My neighbor has a 98 Beetle TDI and would not trade it for anything. His wife drives it everywhere and leaves their big car in the garage.
I have not seen anything but rave reviews of the new Golf GTD (high powered TDI for EU & rest of the World) As usual we get the neutered versions in the USA. -
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thammer62 Posts: 48Spoke with VW group of America this morning and they stated the 2010 Golf TDI that is coming to America in October will indeed be built in Germany, not Mexico or Brazil. The engine and tranny - everything will be built there. I find this news to be good news and raises the probability that I will purchase one.
Did anyone read the quote from GM vice pres who stated that There is no way to make a respectable case for diesel success in America - or something close to that... Seems like an ignorant statement to me. Very close minded. -
nvdriver997 Posts: 2I don't believe that ANYONE at GM (Government Motors) :lemon: can be taken seriously about ANYTHING regarding the automotive business. They had to be bailed out by,..ummm ME and other taxpayers.
I wouldn't drive a GM product if they gave it to me free of charge. I'd sell it and buy either a German or Japanese vehicle.
I know more about cars, and MAKING A PROFIT, than any GM VP.
I think the GOLF TDI will be a great vehicle, and I hope to purchase one. -
puffin1 Posts: 276It's the truth you wait and see. My Acura from Japan didn't have heated seats, but the ones shipped to Canada had them. The Focus HB we rented to travel from Germany to Swizerland was a sweet ride. I was in the high speed lanes on the Autobahn.It was a rocket.I did alot of down shifting in the Alps and France.
However, that model is not coming to the USA. So,I'm really lookin' at the V dub,but I remember the auto window motors burning out in the Golf's and alot of electrical and tranny problems. I don't care if thy won an award at an auto show ,give me some owners reviews. I mean reviews of the VW Golf, forget GTI I had one, great machine. The Jetta seems to be selling well,but mostly the TDI.
If Roger Penski can raise the money you'll get the car you want. :shades: -
thammer62 Posts: 48Question - VW pegs the Jetta TDI sedan 0-60 at 8.2 per their website. If I'm reading this right, the Golf TDI will have the same engine, will weigh a hundred lbs or more less than the Jetta, but 0-60 will be 9.3?????
Also VW says the Jetta Sedan tdi and Jetta Sportwagen tdi have the same curb weight?? Called VW of A and they said the same thing - they weigh the same. Impossible right? Someone shine some light on these 2 questions por favor. -
foxracer117 Posts: 3Can't really give a good answer about the curb weight but I can certainly give a good answer for the 0-60 times. Just because they have the same engine doesn't mean they have the same transmission or final drive ratio. If the Golf TDI has a slower 0-60 and weighs less, that tells me that it is geared to stay in a lower RPM range. I'll bet that 70mph in the Jetta TDI turns higher RPMs than 70mph in the Golf TDI does.
zivatar Posts: 1You must not be reading the same Consumer Reports I am. Consumer Reports only has reliability ratings for one year of the Golf diesel--2002--which rates it as average (open circle, no red) overall, same for engine major, solid black (much worse than average) for engine minor, solid red (much better than average) for engine cooling.
There's more data for more years for the near-identical Jetta diesel, which shows a very gradual improvement overall, edging into "better than average" in the last year with sufficient data (2006).
I suspect you were looking at the "turbo" ratings (i.e., GTI or GLI), which indeed are horrendous in early years, but also showed steady but gradual improvement over the years.
Note however that the diesel engine in the new Golf, and in this year's Jetta, is almost completely different from the past VW turbodiesel engines.
Finally, my own VW diesel (96 passat TDI, but same engine as diesel Golfs and Jettas until they went to the higher-tech PD engine in, I think, 2001) has had no engine problems at all through 130,000 miles. But all four door handles have gone once, the passenger front door handle gone twice, the driver's door handle four times (no joke), the front power window regulators on both sides, the hvac controls twice, the alternator, the air conditioning compressor, and the u-joints on both sides and, most recently, the ignition switch (the electrical part, not the mechanical part). Oh, and the outside trunk lock went in the first year--I never bothered to fix it because of the cost--don't remember the amount, but it was totally ridiculous--but use the inside trunk release button. OTOH, the original brake pads on all four wheels are still (barely) hanging on. VWs in general seem to getting gradually better, but we aren't talking Honda reliability by any means even at best. -
thammer62 Posts: 48Good post Zivitar
Everything I hear is that it will be available in mid-late October. If I had to bet I would double down on early November.
Anyone - Is it true the 2010 jetta wagen will have the front end of the new golf?
Hatchback owners - question here from a never-had-a-hatch before: Is the versitility of the hatch more convenient than a sedan with a folding back seat? Lets hear some real life stories. I'm fired up about this golf. I have so many questions but I'll try and pace myself here. ha -
marlyece Posts: 26Yes, the Golf and the Sportwagen will share the same front end/nose. Here's what it looks like: http://www.goodcleantech.com/2010_Volkswagen_Jetta_SportWagen.jpg
marlyece Posts: 26Check this link for really comprehensive info on specs and comparison between 2009 and 2010 models: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q_how_to/a5/09_10_TDIdifferences.htm
marlyece Posts: 26Looks like veedub mistakenly uploaded the pricing to their server on 8/22 and then took note of it and removed it yesterday. here's what it showed yesterday if anyone is interested:
Base price for a 2 door Golf TDI is $21,990 in the US. Add $700 destination (mandatory).
Add $600 for the 4 door Golf
$600 for the HID xenon headlights w/AFS(highly recommended, option code p83).
$1750 for RNS 510 navigation system. (option code p71)
$1000 for the sunroof. (option code 3fe)
$225 Cold weather package - heated seats/windshield washer nozzles. (option codew79)
$400 for 300w Dynaudio excite high stereo. (option code 9ve)
$350 rear lower side airbags (avail. only on 4 door, head rear curtain airbags standard)
Bluetooth standard on US Golf TDI, otherwise $275 for bluetooth option code 9w2
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marlyece Posts: 26the strange thing is that i'm not certain what dealer invoice will be. on the sportwagens msrp was about 1600 over dealer invoice so i'm hoping to save at least 5-600. also this dealership told me it might not show up until the end of february which seems really long. maybe they're just being honest. they seemed pretty good and were one of the few dealerships who would negotiate below msrp.
ncskibum Posts: 42They changed the diesel engines in 1998 and run those until 2002. The older engine only had about 80 hp, in 98 it increased to 90. The PD in 2002 jumped to 100 hp. The new engines have been in use in Europe since 2006 and get 140 hp.
As for the question on curb weight. The sedan and wagen are the same length, so you push the trunk up and make it roof panel. Back door weighs hardly anything. I have to assume that the quoted weights are without sunroof because the wagen sunroof is at least twice as large as the sedan. Plus you need extra reinforcement to protect you in a rollover. -
gagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,255It looks the same to me as the Golf GTD. I think the only difference is engine programming and maybe jets. We get the detuned version to please the wonks in California.
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We planted myoporum groundcover (parvifolium?) about a year ago. It filled in nicely in only 6 months.
We put in sprinklers and watered twice a week for the first 6 months, then cut to once a week. We fertilized with Milorganite, Joe's favorite. Soil is sandy, zone is Sunset 17 - Central Coast (Arroyo Grande - Oceano area) and foggy in summer. We're thinking about cutting watering to once a month and quitting the fertilizer. Does anyone know how to care for this plant? Also, somewhere we heard that it is short lived. Is this true, and what does that mean? I've learned a lot from this site, thank you all. |
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I'm inland in San Diego and a couple of years back got some cuttings of Myoporum which I put in a hot uncared for front garden and it took right off and only needs a trim when it encroaches the sidewalk, never fertilizes ans stays pretty dry there and it's in full bloom, very lush and green. |
I put it in about a year ago also. Done little to it but water to get it going. I have to trim it or redirect to keep out of waterfall but thats about it. |
Thanks, debby and goblue. Will stop watering and fertilizing and see what happens. |
Oh I think it needs a little water. Mine gets some overspray once a week but thats about it. My city has it everywhere but I bet it gets watered. I definately don't think it needs any fertilizer. Mine is flowering with bees all over it and have never fertilized it. |
I put a one gallon plant of it in the back. I watered it in when I planted it, and never watered it again. It did great, got to about 20'x20' in a year. |
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As noted by @henapple most BGE's seem to have a low&slow sweet spot around 240-260*f on the dome. And I would make sure you are stable at whatever low&slow temp you land at for at least an hour before loading the butt. Don't chase temperature or you will be up all night.
Check your lump load after the hot and fast cook and add more if you even remotely think you are low (within reason you can't have too much lump). You didn't mention size of the butt but at the above mentioned temps plan on around 2 hrs/#. If finished early, then foil, towels and cooler (FTC) til ready to pull.
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@WalrusBBQ-don't know your time-zone but if your pork is at 141 right now you haven't been to or thru the stall so you have many hours in front of you. Depending on time you can dial up the BGE to around 300*F to help get it done or google "texas crutch" for the foiling option.


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I've posted a while back on one of my coconut palms. It was doing well in the pot and survived a few Winters. Then I planted it into the ground last year. One year has passed, it's hasn't been doing good. The fronds look very sickly. I think it might have gotten some kind of disease. Then I bought another one. It looks very healthy now. I'm planning to plant it where the old sickly one is now--just close to the front of my house. I know it will not stand the cold if I chose another location elsewhere. I only have one concern ... if the old tree was diseased, I'm afraid if I plant it in the same hole, the new one might be sick too. Any one has any advice here? Picture of my new coconut palm. It's about 6-7 ft tall. |
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Hi IME Cocos are very easy to grow except for cold . They react to temps even under 50 but will survive even light freeze for short periods . Naturally the younger the more susceptible . You might check out the Fairchild site for diagnosis and treatments for "lethal yellowing" if you intend to grow them might as well learn the ropes. They would have expert advice on all your ?? gary |
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Fri, Mar 1, 13 at 1:01
I'd say chances are that the symptoms were from the response to cold, probably not disease per se. I know of someone in a colder climate who built a plastic shelter around his coconut and got quite a few years and height out of his tree. But he knew that one day it would outgrow his capacity to enlarge the shelter. He did have a trunking coconut palm for a while though. |
Thanks, gary and tropicalbreeze, for both your feedback. I certainly think that the cold contributes to a huge part of its problem. I have kept it out in the pot most of the time for the past few Winters. Although I've also protected it with Christmas lights and when the cold snap arrived, I covered it with a flannelback tablecloth. It did work, but after each cold spell, its growth seemed to have been stunted even when the warm weather finally arrived. I will do more reading on what is "lethal yellowing." Do you both grow coconut tree? If anybody has grown it successfully, it would be nice to hear how your trees are doing and if you have pictures to share, it would be great. |
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Fri, Mar 1, 13 at 21:59
Are you in a position to move it indoors when it is cold? I have to move mine in each September and can't move it outside doe the summer sometimes not until June. it does it goes dormant but does fine for the winter. it is just now starting to activbely grow again with the longer days. |
tropicalbreeze, Thanks for sharing your post. Wow ... I stand in awe of your beautiful tropical paradise and your collection of coconut trees. Where you are is their natural home where they belong and will thrive well. Many great pictures and good job on the photography and documentation. It will be a miracle if it will grow here for me in zone 9b .. not to even think about fruit production. |
Hi andyandy, Yes, I can move it indoors when the weather gets cold. It's still in the pot, but I'm also planning to plant it in the ground when the weather here gets warmer. I do remember you the last I was here. That was a few years back. Do you still have the same coconut tree that you had then? The picture I posted of my coconut tree back then was finally planted in the ground last year, but it looks really bad now. Then I got this new plant shown here in the picture. It's really looking good and healthy and I want to give it a chance to grow in the ground and see what happens. Do you have a picture to share of your coconut tree? |
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Tue, Mar 5, 13 at 5:49
Thanks Bananafan, it is a 'labour of love'. This was sunset tonight, was labouring and nearly missed it, LOL. |
Bananfan- The coconut I have I've had since May of 2009. It's doing quite well. I posted some pics yesterday of most of my potted palms. I'm getting antsy to get them outside but that's still 2-3 months away. |
tropicalbreeze, Thanks for sharing the beautiful sunset scene. So, which country or island is this located at? |
I've found some interesting pictures of the dwarf and miniature coconut trees. They don't seem to grow very tall. Have you all heard of the miniature coconut tree and dwarf maypan? I'll like to grow them if possible. The one I bought I don't even have any idea what variety it is and also how tall it's going to grow. It would be hard to imagine it growing to 25-30 ft. It would be too tall for my landscape. Anyway, here are the pix: The first one is the miniature coconut. |
- Posted by tropicalzone7 7b (My Page) on Tue, Mar 5, 13 at 22:06
Bananafan, thats not actually a coconut palm. I think it does make edible fruit, I'll have to check on that though, but it is not a coco or very closely related to one either. I think it's a nice species though and it definitely has some decent frost tolerance! There are dwarf coconut palms though. I have a Tall and a dwarf variety and you can definitely tell the difference between the 2 at an early age. Tall coconut palms tend to be more cold tolerant than the dwarf ones and they ironically do better as potted plants, but both have done well for me. -Alex |
This here says it's a Red Mayjam. I don't know if it should read Maypan, or is it another variety of a dwarf. Very interesting tree with a very short trunk that bear fruit at a low height. The harvesting must be a breeze. I sometimes cannot imagine coconuts hanging high up there and dropping from a height. It would be disastrous if not fatal if they happen to hit someone passing by. I seriously will be interested in planting it if I can get hold of one. Any of you know anything about this particular variety? |
Andy, I saw your post and pix. Great looking and healthy trees. The little bottle palms are cute. I killed my bottle palm when I left it out in the pot. I thought it was more cold hardy than the coconut. I was wrong. I left my baby triangle palms out and they were ok. |
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 7:04
Bananafan, I live in the north of Australia. About the dwarfs, some farmers not far from my place have rows of dwarf coconuts along their fencelines. It looks great with all these short trees loaded up with fruit. But I have heard the dwarfs will eventually grow as tall as the tall ones, just take a lot longer. They produce fruit so much earlier and continuously that it stunts and slows their growth. A few years ago I found a website of someone who had bonsaied coconuts in pots. He lived in Indonesia, which gave him the ideal climate. Don't know if the site is still up but maybe you could try googling. The plants looked fantastic, thin trunks with fronds at the top, but usually the nut still attached. I have a short thin one, about a metre tall, with fronds at the top. But it's in poor, badly drained soil, so the dwarfing is more of a result of sickness. The leaves are very yellowish, but the tree still keeps going. |
tropicalbreeze, North Australia ... what a beautiful place to be there! Although I haven't been to Australia, I've heard about its beautiful beaches and that some parts of the country having nice weather and so on. I didn't know that it would be a tropical paradise. That's amazing! So, how far are you from the equator? Wish I could relocate there ... and do all the planting I've ever wanted :) Anyway, thanks for the info on the dwarf coconut. It's interesting that you've mentioned bonsai coconut. I did a search on it and came up with a supplier in the Philippines. I'm seriously thinking of ordering one. Any one here has a bonsai coconut? I've also sourced out a couple of vendors for the dwarf yellow Malayan which will produce fruit at 3 years of age. I wonder though if the bonsai coconut will produce fruit eventually. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Bonsai Coconut Tree Philippines
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 17:49
I found that Indonesian site, but you might have to learn Bahasa to read some of the comments and text, LOL. But the photos look great. http://cocobonsai.multiply.com/photos Below is a photo on my "sick" dwarf. It was probably a few years old when I bought the place, and that was nearly 10 years ago. The bare trunk is 450mm tall, the trunk diameter at the thickest point is 150mm. I googled for the distance to the equator and came up with these figures: North Pole: 11380 km The climate here is equatorial savanna, ie very distinct wet season/dry season. That's why we're often referred to as the wet/dry tropics, as opposed to the east coast where they are wet tropics, ie heaviest rain in the wet season but still some rain throughout the rest of the year. So I have the temperatures, but need to irrigate a lot during the dry season. |
The picture of your dwarf coconut tree looks nice there. It has healthy looking fronds. I wonder if it's just a dwarf, or is it really sick? So, were you able to get fruit out of it all the 10 years you've had it? Thanks for the link to the Indonesian website. They do have a lot of healthy looking coconut bonsai. I'm still trying to find out if they actually will produce fruit eventually. I've looked at some bonsai fruit trees on the you tube and they seem to be able to flower and produce some fruit. It would make a lot of sense for people like us to consider having bonsai trees if we cannot be sure that we can keep these tropical plants alive in the ground. You sure are a lot closer to the equator than where I am. You're over 800 miles and I'm around 2,500 miles off the equator. It's nice that you have the warm enough temperature to keep these beautiful trees there. So, do you have to manually irrigate your your landscape, or do you have an auto irrigation? It would be a lot of land to irrigate as you seem to have a huge place there. So, what do you do when your trees produce all the fruit there .. lol? Do you eat them? Do you know that coconut is known as the miracle fruit? There have been many articles and books written on it. A few years back, I started changing my cooking oil to coconut oil and include coconut milk and flour into my diet. It has brought tremendous improvement to my health situation. I've heard that coconut water is also a super nutrient drink, but I have to read more about it to find out if it contains a high sugar content which I'm trying to avoid. There's even someone on the internet selling fresh coconut water online. |
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 20:28
Bananafan, if you saw it close up you'd see it does look sick, just doesn't look it so much in the photo (who said photos don't lie?). You're right, bonsai does open up a lot more possibilities. If you can get hold of some coconuts it could be worth a try. Pity you're not closer, I've got a lot of sprouting nuts laying around that I need to clean up. If I had time I'd try it myself. I think it's easy to 'dwarf' the plant, but more difficult to get it to trunk and still remain dwarfed. I have a water bore at my place. It's down to 45 metres and gives a flow of 2 litres per second. Then I have a controller which switches the pump on at set times to different parts of the garden. I work away from home for up to a fortnight at a time (need to keep the bank manager happy with regular mortgage payments) so an automated system is essential. I tend to just throw the coconuts in piles in corners of the garden, so yes, there piles of sprouting nuts. Previous owner used to throw them in the swamp. There's still little 'monkey faces' staring up at you out of the swamp water this many years later, LOL. When I have visitors I'll get them to open a few nuts to eat, sometimes I have to open them myself. I don't know much about their nutritive value but don't think there'd be much sugar (sucrose) content. |
tropicalbreeze, Maybe when you retire, you should start an online store selling your fresh coconuts and coconut seedlings ... lol. They really do worth something especially to coconut enthusiasts! Anyways, regarding the health benefits of coconut products, a couple of years back, I ordered the book, "The Coconut Oil Miracle," by Bruce Fife (C.N., N.D.) and I followed the diet there, I lost a lot of weight by simply changing all my cooking oil to coconut oil and cutting down on carb and sugar intake. It's not just the losing of weight which is benificial for the health, but the general sense of gaining back my energy level that was most critical in restoring my health situation. If you're interested in finding it out more, you can google it to find out more about the health benefits of coconuts--especially when you have a store house of all these goodies all stocked up in your backyard :) Here's a you tube link by the same author. I know a lot of people are skeptical ...., but I have tried it for the past two years and I have lost 30 lbs (no kidding!) and my health has made tremendous improvements. |
Here is a link that might be useful: The Coconut Oil Miracle Interview
- Posted by tropicbreezent (My Page) on Sun, Mar 10, 13 at 9:15
I've seen coconuts in the supermarkets here for a dollar or two, already with the husk removed. I wouldn't want to launch myself into a post retirement career of Coconut De-husker for that rate of return, LOL. No, one thing that makes it difficult is distance, and the cost of transporting product. The transport cost would probably be higher than the product cost. When it comes to health and fitness, I've been quite lucky. I'm very active and involved in a lot of outdoor activities, such as trekking, canoeing, etc. My job also involves a lot of outdoor activities. Then there's all the physical work required at my place. I could always be a lot fitter, but I'm already a reasonable distance along that path. However, my diet could be better. Although, the problem is being mostly in remote and isolated places where good food isn't readily available. Maybe I should load up the back of the car with coconuts, LOL. |
- Posted by Green_Malayan_Kyle15 9b (My Page) on Wed, Aug 14, 13 at 15:50
I have a 4 year old green malayan coconut palm in the ground about 9 miles inland of New Smyrna Beach (Fl), during the winter the fronds were all mostly dead except for the center one and then when it started getting warm again it shot out a frond half the normal size of the ones last year, but now it's beginning to make healthy big fronds so this coming winter I will make an effort to protect and hopefully in a few years I might see some coconuts! |
- Posted by tropicalzone7 7b (My Page) on Wed, Aug 14, 13 at 20:14
Pretty impressive for a coconut palm to be surviving that far north in Florida, especially considering you are not too close to the water. I would definitely consider giving it some protection on cold nights. One day they definitely can fruit for you if you get lucky and have some nice mild winters! -Alex |
- Posted by Green_Malayan_Kyle15 9b (My Page) on Wed, Aug 14, 13 at 21:50
Thank you Alex, I was considering wrapping the trunk with frost blankets and leaving them there pretty much all of winter because it rarely rains whenever it gets cold enough to harm coconuts where I live, if it does get really cold I might put some Christmas lights around the trunk as well as a fan blowing to keep frost from settling on the foliage, would anyone recommend a technique they have used to protect frost intolerant palms? Hopefully this winter will be a mild one though :) |
Here is my new Jamaican Tall variety Cocos nucifera. Supposed to be slightly more cold hardy than Malaysian dwarfs and more suited to the FL climate and soil in general. Lethal yellowing should not be a concern this far north (Orlando area). |
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