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Ferguson Echoes
by Paul Bass | Sep 2, 2014 6:07 am
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When a white cop shot a black teen to death on the streets of a St. Louis inner-ring suburb, Kevin Ewing's mind flashed to an earlier racially-tinged shooting that might have taken place there—his planned assassination of his police supervisor.
Ewing, at the time a patrol officer in a town next to Ferguson, had picked out the spot for the killing. The hour. The Dumpster to stow the body. The escape route.
A surprise phone call from a buddy rescued Ewing from his plan. It set him on a more productive path, one that eventually led to a new way of helping keep the peace here in New Haven.
Twenty-five years later, his plan to shoot his sergeant has never escaped his mind. The Aug. 9 killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, brought back all the racial and military-policing tensions that underlay Ewing's own fateful time in the area. The subsequent outbreak of protest and of police violence there, which stunned the nation, came as no surprise to him.
"It was a matter of time," Ewing said, "before people got fed up and acted up." He knows from experience.
Hospital, Then Jail
People in New Haven who know Ewing—and many people in New Haven do—know "Rev Kev" as a warm, open, gentle man who works tirelessly to stop violence, talk through tensions, not as someone who would consider resorting to murdering a racist boss.
A minister with a Yale Divinity degree, he preaches at a Hartford church and recently completed extended fill-in stints at the pulpits of New Haven's Church of Redeemer and United Church on the Green. A veteran community organizer, he trains grassroots leaders through a "Neighborhood Initiators" program. Through groups like Frontline Souljaz, he helps young men who've had trouble with the law turn around their lives. He has volunteered his time on countless civic boards, from the West River Neighborhood Corporation and the Economic Development Commission to the International Festival of Arts & Ideas. He also was a founding member of the Grove coworking space on Orange Street, which he recently reopened as a digital media hub called Grove Studios.
In an interview at the Grove, Ewing, who's 53, recalled his painful experiences as a St. Louis-area cop as an example of how the environment created by "oppressive" policing can bring out the worst in people. It certainly transformed him into someone he never wanted to be, he said.
Ewing grew up on St. Louis's North Side. Everyone in his neighborhood was black except for two families. ("They didn't get the memo about white flight. They looked up one day—and everybody was gone.") From an early age he saw police hassle friends, relatives; his father told stories of being abused on his way home from work as far back as the 1940s. By the time he was 11 Kevin was being stopped on the street by a white police officer upon leaving church choir practice during random searches for black criminal suspects.
"Police were at best a nuisance we tolerated," he recalled.
Ewing and his parents made sure he left the neighborhood's borders to know the wider world. He acted in theater. He attended a half-white, half-black experimental high "school without walls" (similar to New Haven's original version of High School in the Community).
During college Ewing worked as a security guard. Following the lead of a friend, he decided to "do it for real" and apply to become a cop.
Why do you want to become a cop? Ewing recalled being asked at his interview.
His answer: "I want to make sure there's at least one honest cop on the force."
"They looked at me like I was crazy," he said. "One started laughing."
He completed a cadet program at the St. Louis police academy in 1983 (his class is pictured) and obtained an auxiliary officer's badge. He subsequently completed the St. Charles County Law Enforcement Academy in 1984, becoming a fully sworn cop. He took a position with the force in Kinloch, one of the tiny commuter suburbs scattered outside the St. Louis city line. It shared a border with the town of Ferguson.
In September 1985 he moved to a patrol position in Olivette.
"I was the black cop," he recalled. The mostly white town always had one black cop, to qualify for federal grants, he said. It always had one Jewish cop. One female cop. He and his fellow officers were trained to view citizens as subjects to be controlled, not as people to help and interact with, he said. They were soldiers. "They called it a paramilitary force." That was before people started talking about "community policing."
Yes, the police in Olivette were racist, Ewing recalled. They were disrespectful, sometimes violent, in dealing with the small, concentrated African-American population in town. But the bigger problem was that the cops were disrespectful, period, he said. In Olivette and in the surrounding towns. "It was not mostly racial," he said. "it was a complete disregard for the rights of people."
Still, there were differences among the departments. Ewing learned that in chasing suspects in Olivette, whether by foot or by car, all he had to do was steer the pursuit toward the Ferguson town line. Seriously. The fleeing suspect would stop there rather than cross the line.
"If we got them, they would go to jail," he recalled. "If they got to Ferguson, they would go to the hospital—and then jail."
A Ram Appears
Ewing tried to be a different kind of cop in Olivette. He got to know African-Americans in particular, hung out at softball games, helped people out. In return, someone black with a warrant out on him would agree to surrender to police if he could surrender to Ewing.
But Ewing found that too many of his colleagues adopted the rough, adversarial approach—and that it at times rubbed off on him.
"I got a car stopped on old Bonhomme with four bucks in it," Ewing, on patrol one night, heard a lieutenant report on the radio.
"What do you mean?" Ewing asked. He knew the lieutenant was referring to four black men. Nevertheless, Ewing recalled telling the lieutenant: "I'm going to call animal control—and Ripley's Believe It or Not. You've got four deer driving in a car."
"I hated my job. I hated some of the people I worked with," he said. "They were insensitive, dishonest, the way they treated people.
"It was not mostly race. It was a complete disregard for the rights of people"—such as the time he saw a superior break into a home after responding to a false alarm while the home's occupants were out of town.
One night toward the end of his tenure, Ewing was working the desk. A young rookie, white and maybe 23 or 24, brought in an African-American man in his 60s for a traffic violation.
"Come on boy," the rookie told the man. He kept addressing the man as "boy" as he questioned him.
"Look, I'm old enough to be your great grandfather. Quit calling me 'boy'!" the man finally exclaimed, standing up.
The rookie "took him down, recuffed him," as Ewing watched. The rookie added new charges against the man: resisting arrest, assault.
Before the rookie wrote up the report, Ewing approached him. Having witnessed the event, Ewing said, he would not back up the officer's account. "You provoked that," Ewing told him.
The rookie "said something smart." Next Ewing knew, he had the rookie slammed up against a wall.
"Don't you ever talk to a man like that. This is a human being," Ewing recalled saying. "If I ever see you doing something like that again, I'll put two in your head."
Ewing realized he was reaching "the edge—trying to be a compassionate guy and trying to [fit] in this paramilitary organization. I was becoming a mean, nasty person. I was smoking three packs of cigarettes a day. I was drinking a case of beer every three days." On one traffic stop, he found himself "smashing" a black driver in the head when he reached into the glove compartment after twice refusing orders to keep his hands on a steering wheel. Officers sometimes justify such actions with the argument that, for all they knew, the suspect could have been reaching for a gun. Ewing knew in his heart, he said, that the man wasn't reaching for a gun. He was startled and confused.
After observing instances of blatant racism by his colleagues, Ewing would sometimes leave business cards from the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in noticeable places.
One particular member of the force was getting on his nerves—a white sergeant to whom he reported. The sergeant was outwardly racist, Ewing said. He regularly used racist language, regularly insulted Ewing. He was generally mean and nasty.
Ewing wasn't sure how to respond. One night the sergeant came into the station when Ewing was working the desk. He told Ewing he and his wife had just seen the movie Mandingo, a film derided by reviewers as "racist trash" and "almost fetishistically racist." (One list of the "most racist films of all time" ranked it number two—right under the classic Ku Klux Klan homage The Birth of a Nation.) The sergeant started describing the movie in detail to Ewing.
"I saw the movie. I didn't like the movie," Ewing told him. "I don't want to hear this."
The sergeant insisted on continuing to describe the scenes. Finally Ewing stood up and grabbed his keys. Leaving the room for his patrol car, he told the sergeant, "if you want to sit and tell the story, you can watch over the desk."
Ewing tried to deal with the pressure of the job by looking beyond it. He finished up his college degree.
But that didn't do the trick. In early 1989, toward the end of his tenure, he plotted revenge.
"I had a plan," he said, "to kill my sergeant."
He knew the sergeant regularly took a break on the night shift to go Dumpster diving. The Dumpster was in a remote spot by some woods.
Ewing learned the precise time the sergeant would make that stop. He scoped it out. He procured a gun for the job. He learned what day of the week the Dumpster was emptied; he planned to carry out the shooting the night before so the body would be carted away.
"I rehearsed it," Ewing recalled. "By the railroad tracks, where I'd have my best shot." He selected an escape route through the woods, walked it for practice.
He was serious about it, he said. "I didn't know what else to do. I didn't know where to go"
As he rehearsed the killing, thought out the ramifications (having to serve on the investigation, for instance), he received a phone call from his best friend, who had left his job as a cop to become a pastor.
It was, Ewing said, reaching for a biblical reference, "my ram in the bush."
I'm moving to Florida, the friend said. In two weeks. You and two other buddies are coming with me. I waited until now to tell you this, the friend said, so you wouldn't try to talk me out of it.
You're right, Ewing said. I would have tried to talk you out of it.
Ewing put in his resignation. Two weeks later he headed to Cocoa Beach, and to a new life.
What's Next
In Florida, Ewing helped at his friend's church. He caught fish to eat. He migrated to New York City, where he pursued some off-Broadway tech work, ending up producing shows (including then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani's weekly program) for a government access TV station. A job with The Hartford insurance company brought him to Connecticut. He had an operations management job, a big salary, a house in Bloomfield—and a feeling of emptiness. After seven years he ditched it for the seminary, first in Hartford, then, in 2005, at Yale. He paid the bills as a community organizer in Fair Haven and West River. A career blossomed, a combination of spiritual and activist and entrepreneurial work; he became a mainstay of the city, a force for change and reconciliation. He also developed a love for sailboats, falling in with a crew of racers in Essex.
Throughout, his police experience continued to haunt him. He very well may have never carried out the shooting of his sergeant, of course; lots of people fantasize revenge against abusive bosses, even if they don't draw up specific plans for a murder.
"I probably would have gotten caught," Ewing reflected. Then, he said, "I probably would have never done it."
As he tackles New Haven's violence problem as an activist, he has gained admiration for many of the city's cops. He applauds community policing. Yes, New Haven has racial problems and policing problems like any other community—but not of the intensity he saw in St. Louis's suburban inner-ring. He has seen wanted men request to surrender to top Hill cop Lt. Holly Wasilewski the way they used to request surrendering to him in Missouri, he said. He spoke of how he has seen other top cops, like Assistant Chief Luiz Casanova, Fair Haven's Lt. Herb Johnson, Dixwell's Sgt. Sam Brown, build people's trust.
He said he hopes that Michael Brown's killing becomes a "Rosa Parks incident," that the charged discussion sparked by the incident and subsequent riots will continue not just in Ferguson, but nationally. Including in New Haven.
"If we limit this [discussion] to being black versus white, we're not doing it justice," he said. "This is a very complicated and complex issue. We should separate as much as we can the issue of police versus civilians and the issue of race."
Thinking back to how his environment affected his behavior as a Missouri cop, Ewing spoke of how the same colleagues who could be "assholes" much of the time could also show humanity.
That white rookie who kept calling the older black man "boy," for instance.
On another occasion, Ewing recalled, he and the rookie responded to the home of an African-American woman. She had overdosed on drugs. The officers found two children in the house. They were around 5 and 7 years old.
The rookie "took care of the kids, kept them calm," Ewing recalled. "It was amazing to watch him connect with those kids." That rookie probably kept in touch with those kids for years to come, perhaps even to this day, Rev Kev declared. He is sure of it.
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posted by: mechanic on September 2, 2014 7:54am
Kevin Ewing is an amazing man, and after reading this story, it's clear that he's an even more amazing man than I thought. I'm so touched that he's shared this story with our community. We love you, Kevin!
posted by: Bill Saunders on September 2, 2014 6:48pm
I am not sure what to think about this story…..
On one hand it sounds like a 'thought-out plan', on the other hand, it sounds like indulging fantasy for personal glorification.
Or was this just a sermon….
posted by: robn on September 3, 2014 5:40am
If I were the interviewer I would have asked, "is rioting an appropriate form of protest and did it help clarify why Michael Brown is dead?"
posted by: JustAnotherTaxPayer on September 3, 2014 10:20am
Thank You. The insights from first hand experience, not only as a black man, but as a police officer, are needed. A lot of the coverage was sensational, that is the showing of looting, firebombing, close ups of cops pointing assault weapons at protestors at point blank range, but almost none of it described the social environment in those communities. Particularly the race relations. It should be said that having one person on a force such as the rookie who felt it was appropriate to call anyone "boy", but in this case a 60 year old man, is way too many. Those that allowed this behavior, and accepted it, destroyed that department. A handful of officers that are blatantly racist, being tolerated, and paid to be police officers anywhere, is insane in this day and age. It's bad enough that the national numbers of people of color being arrested and incarcerated in unbelievable numbers is bad enough, add the open racist behavior, and the US starts to look like South Africa during apartheid. This should not be.
posted by: New Haven Nuisance on September 3, 2014 10:26am
Wow, talk about completely missing the point, robn.
posted by: Nathan on September 3, 2014 10:41am
That was exactly robn's point. He was not the one who missed it, rather, the reporter soft balled the entire interview in what comes off as a sympathetic offering of a story from a man who planned the murder of a police officer and who justified it on the basis of racial tension. Just like, for example, the people in Ferguson who looted and destroyed using the same excuse. I can admire Mr. Ewing's contributions later in his life and still find his rationalizations for previous thoughts highly disturbing.
posted by: mechanic on September 3, 2014 11:49am
I didn't see Kevin as "rationalizing" his thoughts of 25 years ago. He explained why 20-something Kevin plotted, but he never defends or endorses that thinking. He actually never reflects on his thinking, only saying that he probably would have been caught, or that he probably wouldn't have carried it out.
I couldn't judge him based on a wrong decision he didn't make 25 years ago. I know my thoughts and reasonings are different now than they were when I was in my 20s. That said, it does take a lot of character to share such a story and to build the life he has since those events a very long time ago.
posted by: Bill Saunders on September 3, 2014 1:56pm
For me, it is all of the 'probablys' that make Kevin's story weak.
posted by: Bill Saunders on September 3, 2014 2:36pm
For me, the "Big Tell" in this story is the last lines of the article—
"That rookie probably kept in touch with those kids for years to come, perhaps even to this day, Rev Kev declared. He is sure of it."
Now, if the quote had been "I was recently in touch with this rookie, and he is still doing great work", we would have something outside of conjecture-land.
posted by: Paul Bass on September 3, 2014 2:58pm
Note: Kevin Ewing asked me to post this two-part response to the story. (The corrections have been incorporated into the main text.)
Thank you Paul for tricking me into sharing my story. It wasn't the one I was intending to tell when you
asked me to share my reflections on what's happening in my hometown. My hope was that it would go
with me to my grave. But one thing I've learned is not to spend a lot of time regretting the messed up
stuff you've done. Time's better spent trying to learn something from it and living today. Do that and
you'll have a better tomorrow.
So with that said there are a couple things I want to correct. First, young (and big) Mr. Brown was 18 not
19. I didn't co-found The Grove but was one of the founding members. Our interview was at The Grove
Studios—the new initiative we've started in 9th Square (http://www.grovestudios.tv). I serve on the Economic
Development Commission. And I don't think we need more rioting in New Haven.
Also, I wasn't clear about what happened when/where. The city of Kinloch borders Ferguson. Kinloch
was almost all 'black' and so was the police department. That's where we had the invisible but very
real wall that our 'criminals' wouldn't cross. I worked full time nights and weekends in Kinloch while
attending St. Charles County academy full time M-F. Crazy but I was honor grad. That's why Olivette
hired me – I was an authentic looking, intelligent speaking, and somewhat non-threatening black dude.
GOLD! Olivette was several miles from Ferguson and several $$ above Kinloch. Even the 'black' folks
within the city limits had good jobs. However it was also the time where the 'good jobs' were drying up.
And I was a soldier in the war on drugs. (continued ...)
posted by: Paul Bass on September 3, 2014 2:59pm
(Part 2 from Kevin Ewing)
... But mostly I want to give you a point of this story that we never reached. It's not about me, my temper.
This is about how I live my life as both an 'us' and a 'them'. For a long time that dichotomy tore me apart (enough to consider homicide as a viable option… the very thing I was tasked with preventing.) So what I learned is that in almost every case 'us' and 'them' are the same dude! There is no 'us' or 'them'. There's just… 'we'. Cops are people. Residents are people. Politicians are people. ALL of us… we're PEOPLE!
And that is the core of my faith and the point of my story. The 'ram in the bush' didn't rescue Isaac. It rescued Abraham. Florida didn't save my former boss it saved me. And now I see what was there all along. We're all people. And unfortunately sometimes we stink. When we recognize that perhaps we can start having some conversations and get to the real core of the issues. And trust me… there are a LOT of issues we need to address.
It's not going to be easy. Poorly treated wounds will be reopened. We are going to discover some things about ourselves that we won't like. People are going to hear stories that we never wanted shared. And at times we are going to get angry at each other. But if we keep going back to the fact that we're all people. And we're all in this together. If we can start there we might have a chance to reach the peace that's on the other side.
posted by: robn on September 3, 2014 3:22pm
Dear THOUGHT POLICE,
Considering killing another person may be disturbing but it's not a crime.
posted by: Bill Saunders on September 3, 2014 3:41pm
Not yet, Robn, not yet….
But when that time comes, it will surely be aggressive thoughts about the police will be the first punishable 'thought crime'.
posted by: New Haven Nuisance on September 4, 2014 10:46am
Reverend Ewing, you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of and thank you for being truly honest. Honesty is a precious commodity in our world, and is the necessary starting point for making any progress in fixing the racial injustices which you describe and have experienced firsthand.
While some of the other commenters on here try to denigrate you for being a perfectly imperfect human being, as we all are, and imply to have never had an impure thought pass through their pure minds, we know their claims are very misguided.
By far the most important takeaway from this story is to understand and fully appreciate the insidious and corrosive effect of racism. There are few forces as disturbingly powerful as is racism. It has the power to cloud the mind of a peace-loving man and turn him into someone who feels he has no other option other than to physically eliminate a source of racism. Even the ability of physical torture to bring about the same change in judgement pales in comparison to the mental torture wrought by racism.
The desperation felt by a young Reverend Ewing and countless others at this very moment must be shared and known to everyone in our community and nation. Racism affects us all and we all have an effect on this ugly aspect of our society. Only through knowing how racism operates and affects us and our brothers and sisters can we accurately choose whether we are impacting our society negatively or positively in this regard.


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Judge Gideon J. Tucker*
*Origin disputed; has also been attributed to, among others, Mark Twain and Ambrose Bierce. But even as we worry about it, the Legislature is, indeed, preparing to convene Monday.Â
Judge Gideon J. Tucker*
*Origin disputed; has also been attributed to, among others, Mark Twain and Ambrose Bierce. But even as we worry about it, the Legislature is, indeed, preparing to convene Monday.Â
I'm still curious, who will Hillary pick as her running mate for the White house and who will Elliot select to replace her in the Senate?
Here in New York State, that should be amended to read:
No man's life, liberty or property are safe while Eliot "BULLDAWG" Spitzer remains in office as NYS Governor …
And God help us all if Eliot Spitzer ever gains control of OUR legislature in this state …
The Spitzer dude will then be in a position to lay us all low ….
And to rob us blind …
And so …
LOL. You said it all, JJ.
It's CHICKENHAWK reality check time …
U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3829
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 1
Total 3830
The illegal oil grab like EVERYTHING gop continues to be a MISERABLE FAILURE!!!!!
And this week's dedication to moral degenerate CHICKENHAWKS everywhere …
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – "Last To Die"
We took the highway till the road went black
We marked Truth Or Consequences on our map*
A voice drifted up from the radio
We saw the voice from long ago
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The kids asleep in the backseat
We're just countin' the miles you and me
We don't measure the blood we've drawn anymore
We just stack the bodies outside the door
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The wise men were all fools
What to do
The sun sets in flames as the city burns
Another day gone down as the night turns
And I hold you here in my heart
As things fall apart
A downtown window flushed with light
Faces of the dead at five (faces of the dead at five)
A martyr's silent eyes
Petition the drivers as we pass by
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
Who'll be the last to die
Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
The last to die for a mistake
Darlin' your tyrants and kings form the same fate
Strung up at your city gates
And you're the last to die for a mistake
Posted by Mike: John, You, sir, despite your knowledge, are not a Judge.
Clerks are not Judge's either.
Their job is to process what they are given.
They are not charged with deciding what laws , regulations or directives they can and cannot follow.
This issue will be decided in the courts of this State.
In the meantime, County Clerks do their job, and that's it.
We don't pay them to play judge.
JOHN GALT RESPONDS: That IS the POINT, Mike …
We do expect the Rensselaer County Clerk to do his job ….
And that is to follow the law, just as it is written ….
And if he refuses to give a person from another country here unlawfully a driver's license because they do not have a social security number ….
Then they will have to sue Frank Merola, the Rensselaer County Clerk …
But good luck, eh, Mike, suing Frank Merola, BECAUSE they have NO STANDING, Mike …
Now, maybe Spitzer can intervene on their behalf ….
Which is what he is doing ….
And maybe Spitzer can somehow sue Frank Merola on behalf of someone who is in this country unlawfully ….
And you know what, Mike?
I WANT TO SIT HERE AND SEE THAT HAPPEN, dude ….
EACH AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, dude …
It will clear the air like nothing else around here can clear the air, I'm telling you ….
And so ….
And Mike, dude, in all truth, I cannot fathom your comment above here that I am "not a judge", nor are the County Clerks in NYS ….
With respect to my conduct, Mike, I most certainly am the judge of what the law states, and I abide by the law as I perceive it to be written, not as someone like Eliot Spitzer tells me it should be ….
AND THAT APPLIES TO THE COUNTY CLERKS, AS WELL, Mike ….
And in support of my statements in here in that regard, I am quoting directly from a June 11, 1991 letter on New York State Education Department stationary to us concerned citizens out here in the countryside by a Mr. Lance R. Plunkett, Senior Attorney, Regulations Review Unit, New York State Department of Education ….
Who was responding to us on behalf of Mr. Douglas Hasbrouck, Executive Secretary for the New York State Board for Engineering and Land Surveying in the State of New York …
With respect to WHO exactly is responsible for a licensed professional engineer in the State of New York knowing and following the "LAW" as it pertains to the practice of engineering here in NYS …
And by direct analogy, Mike, I am saying that the contents of this letter would directly apply to the County Clerks in this matter of who decides what the law says with respect to issuing driver's licenses in the state of NY …
And so:
A local board of health may not confer immunity on a professional engineer from any of the Rules of the Board of Regents defining unprofessional conduct set forth in Part 29 of Title 8 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations of the State of New York (8 N.Y.C.R.R.).
Sections 6506, 6507, 6508 and 6509 of the New York State Education Law GIVE NO AUTHORITY to local boards of health in PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING OR DISCIPLINE MATTERS.
Nothing in the definition of the practice of engineering under section 7201 of the Education Law PERMITS AN EXEMPTION FROM PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINARY VIOLATIONS ON THE GROUNDS OF HAVING FOLLOWED ORDERS FROM A LOCAL HEALTH BOARD.
A professional engineer is ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE for his or her own professional work.
Again, it is the professional engineer's PERSONAL OBLIGATION NOT TO COMMIT PROFESSIONAL MISCONDUCT.
end quotes
IF a licensed professional engineer in the State of New York is required "BY THE STATE" to know the law ….
Then who the hell is exempting these County Clerks from knowing and following the law, Mike?
And there, Mike, Spitzer is outside of his lawful authority, jurisdiction and discretion …
And so …
Soooo …
Mike, dude ….
When you do the math here ….
Spitzer comes out looking awfully IMPOTENT here, when it comes to trying to FORCE HIS WILL on the elected county clerks in upstate NY ….
On behalf of a "population group" that has no right to sue here in NYS …
So Spitzer right now looks like an even bigger fool than he has at any time since DAY ONE descended down on us hapless citizens here in NYS, with the advent of the ELIOT MESS in NYS …
He's waving around an empty scabbard like some kind of madman, threatening to draw a sword that everyone can see he does not have ….
And if I were Frank Merola in Rensselaer County, I would be looking into the faces of the people here in Rensselaer County who elected me to office …
And I would tell Spitzer to go kiss off with his plan to give out NYS driver's licenses to people from other countries who are not here legally …
And if he didn't like that, then hey, Eliot, dude, go ahead and sue me ….
And I will tell you where the people of Rensselaer County stand on this matter, Mike ….
And it is not with Spitzer ….
And we all want to see him sue Frank Merola ….
BRING IT ON, Eliot dude …
And so …
Posted by Mike: John, Do you think we should devolve into a state of anarchy where every individual unilaterally decides what is Constitutional?
JOHN GALT RESPONDS: And what is this BULL **** about anarchy, dude?
From what bodily oriface are you pulling that?
I have no real idea where you are signing in from, Mike, but here in New York State, where I am, WE citizens actually have LAWS that are actually written down in books with words on a piece of paper that someone with simple reading skills can actually read and understand …
AND THAT IS THE LAW, Mike …
AND THAT IS DONE, HERE IN NYS WHERE I AM, Mike, IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAWFUL PROCEDURE SPELLED OUT IN OUR CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS ALSO WRITTEN DOWN ON PAPER IN EASY-TO-UNDERSRAND WRITTEN WORDS …
We do not live in an ANARCHIC SOCIETY such as Eliot Spitzer is trying to create here in NYS, where nothing is written down, and you have to continuously listen to the PROPAGANDA on the radio in order to determine what might or might not be lawful conduct at any given instant of time ….
And so ….
Posted by Mike: John, as much as you'd probably love a society in which every man is king, it would be sheer anarchy.
JOHN GALT CONTINUES: Where on earth are you getting this CRAP from, Mike?
What is this BULL **** you are spewing here about "every man is king"?
Where did you grab that out of, pray tell, because it did not come from any posts of mine in here, or anywhwere else for that matter ….
I am not for kings, Mike ,,
If I was for kings, I would be a SPITZER-ITE, dude ….
I would be for this ******* Spitzer …
And so ….
Posted by Mike: John, still awaiting your response on my challenge.
Do you think we should devolve into a state of anarchy where every individual unilaterally decides what is Constitutional?
JOHN GALT CAN ONLY WONDER: Mike, I truly wonder what reality you are living in, dude ….
Where yours might be located ….
In what country, in what nation, in what system of government ….
Because here in America, where I am, the WRITTEN CONSTITUTION states what is CONSTITUTIONAL for each man, woman, and child, and in OUR system here, each man and woman and child over a certain age is expected and supposed to know the Constitution, Mike …
And you know what, dude ….
IF AND WHEN I GO TO COURT TO CHALLENGE THE ACTIONS OF A PUBLIC OFFICIAL HERE IN NYS, IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE MADE A UNILATERAL DECISION TO DO SO, BASED ON LAW, Mike …
So what is with this "devolving" *** you are spinning here?
Your system of government, Mike, sounds very foreign to me, actually ….
You must be used to dealing with subjects wherever it is that you are ….
Where I am ….
We are citizens, dude ….
We have a responsibility to not only know the Constitution and the law, but to stand up for both, AS WRITTEN ….
Which is where this PUSH-BACK to this DICTATOR SPITZER is coming from, Mike, in OUR reality …
And so …
At least someone is covering important happenings in Albany.
Posted by Mike: John, Professional engineers certify based upon their training and the standards of their profession.
Like doctors, pharmacists, nurses, chiropractors, laboratory directors and every other licensed profession, they are charged with knowledge of the statutory and regulatory requirements applicable to their profession.
JOHN GALT RESPONDS: And here, Mike, you make my points for me, and at the same time, you cut the legs right out from underneath your own feeble attempts at an argument IN FAVOR OF Eliot Spitzer's attempts to turn himself into THE DICTATOR of the State of New York, with the power to make law on his own, without the need of OUR state legislature, other than as his own personal RUBBER STAMP, or TRINKET ….
YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT, Mike …
Engineers ARE SUPPOSED to follow the law in NYS, EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN!
When some politician wearing a cheap suit and reeking of cheap cologne or some smarmy lawyer with a lousy haircut, halitosis and dandruff comes along and tells the engineer to cut some words out of the law as written, and to certify things in accordance with that abbreviated version, then the engineer is supposed to STAND FAST and tell them to go to hell …
Sorry if you see that as being ANARCHIC on behalf of the engineer, dude ….
But, me, I see that as PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY ….
And so …
And for your information, Mike …
For this matter of Spitzer assuming the MANTLE OF A DICTATOR here in NYS to get to court ….
There has to be a JUSTICIABLE CONTROVERSY, dude ….
Judges in NYS DO NOT lawfully hand out "advisory opinions", no matter how many lawyers in NYS manage to actually get one for their well-heeled clients ……
So for this to get to court, someone is going to have to be denied a driver's license by a county clerk when they show up and say, "GIVE ME A DRIVER'S LICENSE, I'M NOT HERE LEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE ELIOT SPITZER IS MY PROTECTOR, AND HE SAID I COULD HAVE ONE!"
When that refusal happens, then the person not here lawfully or legally can go running off to some smarmy lawyer's office, and he or she can plunk down at least TEN GRAND, CASH, and that will pique the lawyer's interest as to how much more money this person might have on hand, or ready access to …
And IF the coin is enough, that smarmy lawyer will then file a legal challenge to the refusal ….
And in America, and in NYS, as well, that lawyer can then list as many causes of action as he thinks are appropriate, or as many as the client can afford, INCLUDING CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGES …
And then the respondent files answering papers, including any and all defenses, and counter-claims ….
Yes, maybe it will make its way before a judge ….
Maybe we will all get an answer …
Assuming what comes out of the judge is not just a bunch of gibberish, as happens all too often when all you have as judges are political DEAD-WOOD …
Somebody's brother-in-law with a law degree who cannot make it in the real world, even doing something as simple as title searches, or filing papers with the County Clerk to get an index number and an RJI …
And so …
NEWS ITEM: Spitzer, who is scheduled to make a DMV-related announcement this morning, told The Sun he has no intention of backing down on this one.
JOHN GALT RESPONDS: GOOD, Eliot …
See you in court, dude ….
That is where we will find out IF you are really the DICTATOR of NYS ….
Or merely its governor ….
With a CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO US CITIZENS OUT HERE to "take care" that OUR laws are "faithfully executed" ….
And so ….
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John Galt said "We do expect the Rensselaer County Clerk to do his job …."
actually John We don't…We in my instance being 72% of the State who did not get the right to vote on this issue but if given the opportunity by DICTATOR SPITZER, we would gladly correct his stupid ILLEGAL directive…
And so…
Posted by Mike: you totally misunderstand me, Galt.
Go take your bluster somewhere else because I don't give a damn.
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JOHN GALT PONDERS THIS: Mike, dude ….
Sorry ….
But when you are talking about BLUSTER, dude ….
Clearly, you have just been thinking about Eliot "BULLDAWG" Spitzer …..
And not me ….
And so ….
That's cool, Mike ….
I know how you feel …
That STRUTTING POPINJAY who believes that he is the DICTATOR of New York State drives people apolectic out here, as well …
And even the dogs, Mike …
Don't mention the word Spitzer around a sleeping dog up here, dude, lest the poor beast wake up with a fright and bite you right where you didn't want, and could not afford to be bit …
And so ….
That's why it's more important than ever to practice inner peace, Mike ….
You know, dude …
PRETEND like I do all day long that this Spitzer dude is really nothing more than the product of some gaseous indigestion ….
PRETEND that we really do have a competent, NON-CORRUPT state government here in NYS ….
PRETEND that the NIGHTMARE that descended down on us here in NYS on DAY ONE with the ascension of this DICTATOR Spitzer dude to power here in NYS will really be over when the sun rises ….
And so …
CONTROLLED FOLLY, that is called, Mike ….
Believing things could actually be different from what they actually are ….
The NIGHTMARE of Spitzer does not really go away when the sun rises ….
It will take IMPEACHMENT to remove him from office for that ….
But in the meantime, dude ….
Well, hey, you know …
Winter really is coming ….
So we both have a lot to do to get ready for it …
And I'll be damned if I am going to chop off vital parts of myself while splitting firewood ….
Because I was distracted by thoughts of the STRUTTING POPINJAY Spitzer intruding on my peace of mind while I have an axe in my hands …
And so …
Congratulations to our own Andrew C. White for throwing his hat in the ring and running for Stephentown supervisor.
Stephentown would be well served by this intelligent and high-energy man!
12 of the 15 items I read on this "thread" are long postings by John Galt. John – do you think ANYONE will read your comments in such volume? No need to answer, but consider that you may be able to communicate more by using less words.
#16 & #17 And your point is what? They're all dead as a result of lies and half truths by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Pearl. When was the last time you heard about the "coalition of the willing" or the "coalition forces". It's all us. Have you joined up yet. Not many of the republican war mongers kids have. You still seem to think it's a war that makes sense. They're accepting applications.
I can't wait to donate to Andrew's opponent and tell his prospective constituents that he hates America.
just kidding, I am not that bad…
Good luck Angry Andy may the best man win.
Well, if White wins he'll have to buy several pair of dress coveralls…
Check out the latest Archie Bunker look alike contest with the republican presidential candidates…trying to out conservative each other…….. http://hillarypotus.blogspot.com/ andy
16. How many countries are left in the COALITION OF THE GULLIBLE?
#17 ….. Moral degenerate CHICKENHAWK defined!!! ….. Only in hate-filled reich-wing land is the death of CIVILIANS something to celebrate!!!
gop = the party of IGNORANCE, BIGOTS and HATE!!!!
Galt is usually a nice guy, clearly an intelligent guy, but he is a total bloviator who like to talk sarcastic about people who disagree with him on anything at all, plus he has a deep hatred of Eliot Spitzer which he keeps denying, but which is totally obvious. He has his reasons and they may be good ones, but he lies to himself about his visceral hatered of one man and seems to delight in monopolizing every online conversation. Eventually, it becomes boring.
Go back to your Will Rogers-esqe musings about the feed store and the Mobil Mart and Joe Bruno's bucolic Rensselaer County. At least that provides entertainment.
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I am looking to get an additional battery for my new camera.Looking at the Nikon site the price is twice as expensive as what it is in they USA.Why is the EN-EL14 battery so expensive in Canada?
This one has a chip for unblocking the original checking.Patona compatible Nikon EN-EL-14
______________________________________________________________________________________ I had got a Minolta Dynax 5xi with AF 2885 mm f/3.5-4.5 (Original, RS).Now I have the Nikon D5100 with AF 18-105mm VR DX.
I had got a Minolta Dynax 5xi with AF 2885 mm f/3.5-4.5 (Original, RS).Now I have the Nikon D5100 with AF 18-105mm VR DX.
>This one has a chip for unblocking the original checking.What does the chip for unblocking the original checking do?Can I buy any after market battery which is described as a replacement for the original D5100 or there is more to it?
Generally people do not get very good service out of the after-market batteries. They simply don't have the storage capacity of the OEM Nikons.They are probably higher in Canada due to import duties.I'm not familiar with the chip issue.
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Nikon has tried to discourage 3rd party battery makers from copying their batteries by having the dslr bodies that use the EN-EL14 recognize original Nikon batteries and to reject 3rd party batteries. This worked for awhile until these 3rd party makers reverse engineered the Nikon protection chips and started to add these chips into their products. I personally won't buy these 3rd party batteries. Lenedit: And to the original poster I find it is curious that the same battery is so much more costly in Canada versus the US.
There is really no good reason why the same battery (produced in China I'm sure) should sell for $109 in Canada and $49 in the US. I just checked on line at Bestbuy.ca vs Bestbuy.com and that is the price difference. I did notice that Bestbuy.ca is offering their house brand Digipower battery for the D5100 at $49.00. I might be tempted to try one of those. This issue was the subject of a news story today at: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/02/07/marketplace-country-pricing.html?cmp=rss and apparently there is some Senate Committee looking into the problem (not that I'd pin much hope on any change as a result of that inquest). I did luck out one day and found an "open box" sale at Best Buy for an accessory kit for the D5100 that included a battery, camera case and other goodies, but because the box was damaged it was on clearance. The total package was 50% the cost of the battery. I didn't want or need the case or the other goodies, but got the battery I needed for about $60 instead of $110, and the goodies were just gravy. I also was tempted by the real cheap ones on eBay, but after finding lots of people complaining they did not work I decided not to waste my money. I did read that while the cheapo's may not work directly in the camera, if you buy the cheapo battery pack that takes two batteries, and use a real Nikon on one side you can use a cheapo on the other. The battery pack and a pair of cheapo's was about $40 if I remember correctly, ... that is still a little tempting. Anyone here prepared to admit they use that set up? BTW this price difference between the US & Canada is fueling a multi-billion dollar cross boarder shopping spree. One thing I did learn shopping in the USA, some retailers no longer accept Canadian Credit Cards, (Visa or MC or whatever) because you MUST have a ZIP code. I even found gas stations in the mid-west that would not take my card. They pointed to their over priced cash machine and said withdraw the cash (for a fee) and then buy your gas with the cash. I said that was not very friendly to Canadian visitors, they said they don't get many Canadians ... no wonder. I learned quickly to stick with Exxon and Shell who did take my card. Even shopping on line can be a problem without a validated ZIP code, retailers like Newegg.com won't take my Visa. (Bestbuy.com by the way does allow me to use my card). So, note to self, next time I'm in the good ol' US of A, pick up another Nikon battery at less than half price.
FKDAlberta CANADA
I pulled a trigger on a cheap 'decoded' battery that clearly said that it works with my DSLR (D5100). It will take a while to arrive for China. Others did that already and reported full compatibility with listed DSLRs. Look at reviews on Amazon.Lithium-ion cells are cheap.Nikon one is 7.7Wh....one can buy a premium power drill 54Wh battery for $100 at local hardware stores. If looking at Wh numbers alone the Nikon pack would sell there at $14 and that is the price the after market packs go for (shipped).
I would seriously advise anyone unless you actually physically know the person (a relative you know to be trustworthy, or friend you've known for 30 years or more) not to buy anything on eBay. When first started the originators tried to enforce honesty. But as thing got bigger. Its impossible to do. There are plenty of people that will sell anything even if broken as top quality stuff. If you've got to do this Try amazon instead. They are stricter on the honest of vendors they allow to sell used stuff. And they offer several vendors for each product to sell new products. They have a Rating system. There seems to be a little more Honesty.
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I don't agree with a blanket "don't shop eBay". It really is a "buyer's beware" market. Consider it an electronic garage sale or "Dollar Store". I shop at both sometimes. Over the years I've bought 100's of items down by dBay and I've never had any serious problems, and the couple of hic ups I've had have been rectified by the seller. I've bought electronics, video games, many many hand-crafted teddy bears (my wife's passion) and stuff for my other passion ~model railroading. And several gadgets for my camera.So far so good. As for quality, much of the cheaper stuff is "Dollar Store" quality, but for those of us on a budget we do shop at the dollar store and while that gift bag for 50 cents is not the same quality as the Hallmark one for $4.00, it does the job just as well and when I'm handing out two dozen Christmas presents at my staff's Christmas Party, that's $42 in my pocket and not Hallmarks. But the brand name stuff I've bought seems to me to be exactly the same as the original. (Maybe it is "seconds" but I've never noticed??) Camera stuff I've bought include 'star filers' - a novelty item that put me back about $10 for four. a flash diffuser, a wireless shutter release (Yongnuo - works great), step up rings, replacement strap, and the list goes on. I did buy a brand name Kenko Polarizing filer, for way less than half the price they want for the same thing at the camera shop, I've used it, seems to work as it should, tried the test on the video monitor and yep, turn it right and you see the monitor, turn a bit more and you you see a black hole. I lost the lens cap on my camera. Could not believe the price at the camera store. Bought half a dozen for less than half the price one would have cost me, it works, it says Nikon (unlike the camera store which was a generic). I can't tell the difference. Same thing goes for those little hot-shoe covers, I bought a half dozen with a wee level bubble in them. Work like a charm, cheap like borscht. Stuff like that, go for it. As for less than honest eBay seller ~ that may be true but I've not had that problem. Once I've had good service from any seller they go into my trusted seller list and that helps. Keep in mind I'm comparing these eBay bargains to our heavily over inflated Canadian prices. I'm sorry but the price difference is just too much to pass up. And I live 3 hours from the city and only go there a few times a year so if I want something mail-order is one way I can get it faster. That may not be the case for my urban friends who can pop down to Best Buy or a big camera store for their needs. Having said all that, I did not buy my camera on eBay. Again I think of it like shopping at the Dollar Store, cheap but not always top grade products. That's why I hesitated on buying cheapo batteries. I was concerned that a cheap battery with poor quality control may put out the wrong voltage, watt or whatever which may damage my camera, and I did see lots of comments that they did not work. That may have been fixed now I'll be watching to see how the OP's decision works out for him. Like the saying goes, Buyer Beware and if you are comfortable with the risk, go for it. Like my papa taught me, never buy a parachute on sale.
>I would seriously advise anyone u...not>to buy anything on eBay. ...>If you've got to do this Try amazon instead. They are stricter>on the honest of vendors they allow to sell used stuff. And>they offer several vendors for each product to sell new>products. They have a Rating system. There seems to be a>little more Honesty. I do compare prices with Amazon.ca to eBay but sometimes Amazon is more expensive than say Bestbuy.ca or other retailers. For example I'm considering the Yongnuo YN-565EX flash as a second flash. Sure I'd rather get a Nikon, but the price difference for a second flash is hard to justify. (yes I know CLS won't work). Here's what I'm facing when considering a second flash: YN-565EX: eBay's price $159, Amazon.ca $279, Vs a SB900 $575 (Amazon.ca) or even a second SB700 @ $350ishFor a second flash to operate as an optical slave, the savings it just too much to overlook.
The prices for the EN-EL14 battery in England with the prices converted to US$ are $78.99 but includes tax@ 20% that is for the genuine Nikon one. $22 for the (who knows what you are buying) one.With a lot of items in the States we pay in £'s what you pay in $'s.When things are too good to be true, they are probably not.I did see a video of inserting a genuine Nikon battery into a two battery pack and adding a pirate battery which fools the camera, then replacing the Nikon battery with another pirate battery. But then with heavy use would the pirate batteries fail and damage the camera.Can you take that chance on a $500 -$1000 camera.Photography is an expensive but exciting hobby, or you could just be a couch potato and watch the soaps.
Hi Tony,Wow! That is crazy but true.I think you should ask Nikon Canada since they are the only ones that can answer that question.Comparing the List Price or SRP of the batteries at W ower Accessories" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nikon Canada to Nikon USA the EN-EL14 is $89.95 CD and $40.95 USD though other batteries like the EN-EL18 ($199.95) is less expensive in Cananda than the ($220.00) in the USA.So the pricing policy doesn't seem to have a pattern.Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
Best Regards,Marty
Marty, B&H sells the EN-EL18 for &139.95, Adorama for $136.95. I don't know if anybody is selling it for list price. In comparison Henry's in Canada sells it for $199.99.Len
Hi Len,Berger Bros sells the EN-EL18 for $199.95 and Calumet sells it for $179.95. Some Dealers in the USA discount more, others discount less, others don't discount at all.This doesn't change the fact that the EN-EL14 List price is more that twice as much in Canada than it is the the USA. Since Henry's is selling the EN-EL18 for the Canadian list price, and Best Buy Canada has the EN-EL14 selling at $109.95 ($20.00 over the Canadian List Price) it would lead one to the conclusion that Canadian Retailers are not discounting. The question is Why? Is it the Dealers wanting to maintaining a higher profit margin or is there another reason. Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
Nikon and Leica and I'm sure other camera companies hold their dealers to minimum prices they can sell some or all of their products. If they sell below these prices they can lose their status as an authorized dealer. In the case of Nikon it is their bodies and most lenses. It appears that batteries are not on the list. It may be that Nikon Canada also has batteries on the minimum sales price list. The only other thing I can think of is maybe Canada has higher duty on imported batteries. Len
Hi Len,I know that is Nikon's policy in the USA and is likely the case in Canada as well. If batteries are included in Nikon Canada's policy any Canadian Nikon Authorized Dealer should be able to confirm.I was thinking the same thing regarding the higher import duties or some law or special tax on Li-ion batteries. Though if that was the case, the additonal cost should be reflected in the Manufactures List Prices across the board. However the EN-EL4a and the EN-EL18 both have a lower list price in Canada.Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
My $14.99 (delivered!) EL14 pack just arrived (from USA not China as I stated incorrectly). Included was:- nice colorful box looking just like any other retail box- a sticker on box with: MADE IN CHINA- printed user manual- pack wrapped in a plastic bag with plastic cap on the end where the contacts areThe pack case build quality is in pair with the Nikon pack I have.The initial voltage was healthy.The final voltage after charging it with Nikon charger was healthy, 4.18V/cell. My D5100 had no issue recognizing it. Overall a very nice product. The manufacturing cost must be few bucks.
WE had some Friend bought something from eBay and lost several Thousand Dollars. Ebay did nothing to help. The supposed seller strung them along and milked a few extra hundred dollars or so. I have had other friend bit by eBay Trading. Never had any reports from amazon. I've even bought items From Amazon used and new never had an issue.
Ebay is not Amazon and Paypal is not a bank. Yes, some people did loose big money there. When buying and selling expensive items one needs to be very careful. I buy $15 items from people with solid feedback with no hesitation. Stay safe!
>My $14.99 (delivered!) EL14 pack just arrived (from USA not>China as I stated incorrectly). >>Included was:>>- nice colorful box looking just like any other retail box>- a sticker on box with: MADE IN CHINA>- printed user manual>- pack wrapped in a plastic bag with plastic cap on the end>where the contacts are>>The pack case build quality is in pair with the Nikon pack I>have.>>The initial voltage was healthy.>>The final voltage after charging it with Nikon charger was>healthy, 4.18V/cell. >>My D5100 had no issue recognizing it. >>Overall a very nice product. The manufacturing cost must be>few bucks.O do tell where did you order that battery from?
>WE had some Friend bought something from eBay and lost>several Thousand Dollars. Ebay did nothing to help. The>supposed seller strung them along and milked a few extra>hundred dollars or so. >>I have had other friend bit by eBay Trading. Never had any>reports from amazon. I've even bought items From Amazon used>and new never had an issue. Oh, I don't think I would spend more than a couple hundred dollars on an eBay order and then only from a trusted seller with whom I've had good service.
Here is a link to the US seller:http://stores.ebay.com/multi-function1002/_i.html?_nkw=EN-EL14&submit=Search&_sid=1001025334Let me know if the link does not work.
>- a sticker on box with: MADE IN CHINAFYI, per labeling laws, that simply means that final assembly was in China, you have no idea where the cells came from without hooking up a SBS reader.I don't do third party simply because of future compatibility problems. I know that the D5200 will work with my batteries, for instance, but older third party ones won't work. Also, I managed to get mine on the cheap, but that's my luck.
>FYI, per labeling laws, that simply means that final assembly>was in China, you have no idea where the cells came from>without hooking up a SBS reader.I have no idea where my underwear come from and where children toys the kids chew on come from. I am more concern about toxic dyes used on these products than over a camera battery.90% of things we buy come from Asia and we have no clue who manufactures them. Why is it a concern now?I doubt that these Ebay imports even care about some US labeling law.Americans buy huge number of "no-name" batteries from Asia. I see that in the remote control toys/hobby industry too. US is flooded with these quality batteries sold for a fraction of what similar packs go for in brick stores. >I don't do third party simply because of future compatibility>problems. I know that the D5200 will work with my batteries,>for instance, but older third party ones won't work. Also, I>managed to get mine on the cheap, but that's my luck. I doubt that someone in Asia would build a factory to supply products for Ebay market only. I would speculate that these factories produce batteries for brand names electronic manufacturers only. I doubt that they would make "Ebay" packs to a different standards.Battery is simple to make. It either work or it does not. Given the currents the pack does not need to be super high technologically advanced cutting edge. It is the same pack that is in your cell phone.
>90% of things we buy come from Asia and we have no clue who>manufactures them. Why is it a concern now?>>I doubt that these Ebay imports even care about some US>labeling law.>>Americans buy huge number of "no-name" batteries>from Asia. I see that in the remote control toys/hobby>industry too. US is flooded with these quality batteries sold>for a fraction of what similar packs go for in brick stores. ...>I doubt that someone in Asia would build a factory to supply>products for Ebay market only. I would speculate that these>factories produce batteries for brand names electronic>manufacturers only. I doubt that they would make>"Ebay" packs to a different standards.>>Battery is simple to make. It either work or it does not.>Given the currents the pack does not need to be super high>technologically advanced cutting edge. It is the same pack>that is in your cell phone.Your statement holds true for Alkaline cells and other single cell batteries, but for Li-Ion packs this is not the case. There are three parts to a Li-Ion battery pack: the cells, the casing and the control circuit board. The, "Made in China," stamp simply means that they were assembled in China, however there are few Li-Ion cells actually made there, so likely only the control board and the casing were made in China. Origin labeling laws are strictly enforced by CBP on any Li-Ion shipment because of the potential danger involved.Li-Ion batteries are sufficiently dangerous they have grounded the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, while it was still equipped with the best cells available; a Li-Ion fire cannot be put out, starts spontaneously and is much more likely to occur with a third party battery than a first party (although it's rare with either). This is why the control board is in there: it monitors the health of the individual cells in the pack, and instructs the charger how to charge the battery, and provides the status readout for the camera's battery level. It tracks every single charge/discharge cycle, the level the battery was charged or discharged to, and every other detail. Yes, this means that the intelligence in the battery is actually in the battery itself, not the camera or charger, which are dumb units. This is all described by the IBM/Toshiba/Duracell joint specification on Smart Batteries, developed in the 1990's for the IBM ThinkPad to allow it to use different battery chemistries at any time (it still does that today, but as the vast majority of cells are Li-Ion, that part of the specification is fairly irrelevant). That same SBS (Smart Battery Subsystem) chips is entirely responsible for the safe running of the battery: preventing dangerous overcharge situations and the like, and all-in-all, the small chip on a modern Li-Ion battery has as much computing power as the Gemini spacecraft.On top of all of the above, Nikon uses a cryptological lockout on their batteries control boards to ensure you only use first party ones. This, of course, has been reverse engineered, to a point, but Nikon does keep coming up with newer ways to lock out third party batteries. Each new camera body may and usually does include a new method to lock out third party batteries, which must be circumvented by newer knock-off designs.While the factory I'm sure does not produce only for eBay, saying that it produces for major manufacturers is taking a very US-centric point of view: these knock-off batteries are exceedingly popular in Asia, India and developing markets, the US importation is simply a lucrative side business where they can sell the knock-off batteries for many times their original price. I recently visited DXB, and saw the knock-off EN-EL14's being sold for 25 AED - that works out to under $7 for a battery pack, and they looked just like the ones on eBay. The cells may be from the same place as the Nikon ones, but, read above: the important part is less so the cells and more so the control circuits.
I am sure all these sellers adhere to the strict rules of CBP just like the manufacturers there adhere to environmental rules, and governments to human rights. Why does it matter who made the cell and the packaging?Why does it matter that all LiPo, Li-Ion, LiFePo4, NiCd, NiMh can burst into fire due to manufacturers defects or mishandling? There might be some quality control issue with cheaper packs, true, use it or don't. However it is not as complicated as you are trying to show in your post. It is the cell, charging and protection circuit, and the plastic case. All is so cheap to make that I feel confident that they designed and manufactured it right. "Each new camera body may and usually does include a new method to lock out third party batteries, which must be circumvented by newer knock-off designs." We spent only $15 on this thing that will be in garbage before we buy the new body.Millions of aftermarket packs are in use and I am thankful for being able to buy some just like the aftermarket car parts, ink cartridges, lenses, you name it.
If you are super worry you can do these steps, should do with Nikon pack too then:- Measure the terminal voltage on your original pack.- Measure the terminal voltage on the new pack. - Charge the new pack and measure the voltage again.The voltage in all cases should be in range of 34.2 V per cell. Which is 6 to 8.4V in case of 2 cell EL14.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_batteryFully charged pack will be close to 8.4V or slightly under.
>Here is a link to the US seller:>>http://stores.ebay.com/multi-function1002/_i.html?_nkw=EN-EL14&submit=Search&_sid=1001025334>>Let me know if the link does not work.>Link worked but the seller does not sell to Canada. I wonder why a seller would chose to limit their market like that? Oh well it was worth a try.
Many posters have stated that the Nikon batteries last longer than 3rd party products for a single charge and the length of life of the battery.LiON batteries store more energy than carbon zinc or alkaline and Lithium is far more reactive than many other metals. The purity of the chemicals can make a big difference in battery performance over their life. The electronics within the battery should prevent overloads from burning up the LiON battery. Nikon also included circuitry for measuring the battery life. When 3rd party batteries first appeared for the D200 many had the wrong electronic chips and could not power up the D200.If you think a LiON battery cannot get hot or the quality of the electronic circuitry is not important just ask Boeing or find someone whose cell phone burst into flames or a laptop user who burned then legs. You will have to go back t0 2005 to locate articles about thiNikon also has a service advisory recalls for the EN-EL3and <www.nikonusa.com/en/Service-And-Support/Service-Advisories/h0ndzaip/EN-EL15-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-Pack-Recall.html|EN-EL15> batteries. Note that the EN-EL3 recall is still available and the replacement is free.
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>>Why does it matter who made the cell and the packaging?>>Why does it matter that all LiPo, Li-Ion, LiFePo4, NiCd, NiMh>can burst into fire due to manufacturers defects or>mishandling? >It is exactly as complicated as I'm making it sound - if you are shipping just Li-Ion batteries without the electronics in the box, they are treated as explosives when entering the US and checked accordingly. If you're surprised, you don't know how dangerous the little buggers are. They are far and away more reactive than other types. Other examples of agencies that have had to put in restrictions due to past problems: OSHA requires that a bomb box and thermal monitoring at 100 times per second be used whenever working with the bare cells and solder or welding. This is not required with any other battery chemistry.Unlike a Ni-MH fire, or a Ni-Cad fire, a Lithium fire, particularly with Li-Ion batteries, cannot be put out, it must burn itself to exhaustion, so if you get thermal runaway, you're toast. Cell phone and camera batteries may be small and relative annoyances, but the larger ones especially are a real problem. This is also why no Li-Ion cells can be carried in an airplane's hold when it is carrying passengers, they must be carry-on and even then only up to a certain size. Larger Li-Ion cells (including some high capacity laptop batteries) or larger concentrations of them must be carried aboard cargo aircraft without passengers aboard; that's right, the FAA has deemed them too dangerous to even be in an airplane's cargo hold with you on board (and, yes, the TSA will pull you off the plane if they detect Li-Ion cells in your luggage upon X-Ray inspection, I've seen them do it).I carry Li-Ion cells with me all of the time, with my cell phones, laptop, cameras, and so on, but it doesn't mean that I'm unaware of their risks.Now, back to cameras, some third party batteries are going to be okay, but you're rolling the dice with them, and hoping that their protection circuitry was programmed properly (it's individually programmed to each battery pack at the factory, and varies with the cells in the pack). At least if a Nikon battery burns up my Nikon camera, I'm covered.
>>Here is a link to the US seller:>>>>http://stores.ebay.com/multi-function1002/_i.html?_nkw=EN-EL14&submit=Search&_sid=1001025334>>>>Let me know if the link does not work.>>>>Link worked but the seller does not sell to Canada. I wonder>why a seller would chose to limit their market like that? Oh>well it was worth a try. >>There are zillions of sellers. Sometimes US sellers just by default have USA only selected on their profile. I would contact the seller or get it from a different one.
You can't be serious! >It is exactly as complicated as I'm making it sound - if you>are shipping just Li-Ion batteries without the electronics in>the box, they are treated as explosives when entering the USAs explosives? LOL! What do they do? Call the bomb squad for each package that continues Li-xx pack? The US market is overran by shipments of unprotected LiPo packs used for remote control models. These "bombs" have many more times more energy than EL14. One RC pack can wight as much as your DSLR.I have had shipped 2lb of these unprotected packs from Asia. No bomb squad involved. >and checked accordingly. If you're surprised, you don't know>how dangerous the little buggers are. They are far and away>more reactive than other types. Other examples of agencies>that have had to put in restrictions due to past problems:>OSHA requires that a bomb box and thermal monitoring at 100>times per second be used whenever working with the bare cells>and solder or welding. This is not required with any other>battery chemistry.A bomb box? For what? To work on EL14? LOL!!! May be for working on a utility 500Lb generator backup battery but please get things into perspective.>>Unlike a Ni-MH fire, or a Ni-Cad fire, a Lithium fire,>particularly with Li-Ion batteries, cannot be put out, it must>burn itself to exhaustion, so if you get thermal runaway,>you're toast. Cell phone and camera batteries may be small>and relative annoyances, but the larger ones especially are a>real problem. So the EL14 one is the larger one from those mention?>This is also why no Li-Ion cells can be carried>in an airplane's hold when it is carrying passengers, they>must be carry-on and even then only up to a certain size. >Larger Li-Ion cells (including some high capacity laptop>batteries) or larger concentrations of them must be carried>aboard cargo aircraft without passengers aboard; that's right,>the FAA has deemed them too dangerous to even be in an>airplane's cargo hold with you on board (and, yes, the TSA>will pull you off the plane if they detect Li-Ion cells in>your luggage upon X-Ray inspection, I've seen them do it).We talking about 48g pack here.I am done talking on this topic as this is getting ridicules discussing bomb boxes on this forum.
>Many posters have stated that the Nikon batteries last longer>than 3rd party products for a single charge and the length of>life of the battery.>>LiON batteries store more energy than carbon zinc or alkaline>and Lithium is far more reactive than many other metals. The>purity of the chemicals can make a big difference in battery>performance over their life. The electronics within the>battery should prevent overloads from burning up the LiON>battery. Nikon also included circuitry for measuring the>battery life. When 3rd party batteries first appeared for the>D200 many had the wrong electronic chips and could not power>up the D200.>>If you think a LiON battery cannot get hot or the quality of>the electronic circuitry is not important just ask Boeing or>find someone whose cell phone burst into flames or a laptop>user who burned then legs. You will have to go back t0 2005 to>locate articles about thi>>Nikon also has a service advisory recalls for the >EN-EL3and><www.nikonusa.com/en/Service-And-Support/Service-Advisories/h0ndzaip/EN-EL15-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-Pack-Recall.html|EN-EL15>>batteries. Note that the EN-EL3 recall is still available and>the replacement is free.>Yes, nikon got it wrong "The battery pack can experience a short circuit causing it to overheat"Yes, the Asia manufacturer can get it wrong too.If I had this paranoia about everything, I would not drive, fly, carry ipod with me...If you paid $1000 for your body buy Nikon accessories. Many did not spend that much on body, lens, and all accessories combined.
Do not forget going on an ocean cruise. It is about statistics and the risk you are willing to take. I do not think the Nikon issue is a big problem and probably safer than driving. But I would rather not burn up my camera or have the battery burn the circuitry. Since there is an easy way to avoid the risk of a bad battery for free, why not take it.I have survived a lot including being shot at with a 50 cal machine gun.
>I am looking to get an additional battery for my new camera.>Looking at the Nikon site the price is twice as expensive as>what it is in they USA.>Why is the EN-EL14 battery so expensive in Canada?First post and I thought this was a worthwhile topic.I had read all the warnings about third party batteries and how the only way around using them was along with an original in a battery grip.You will understand my trepidation when considering buying one but after a lot of thought I took the plunge and bought two.I bought them from Amazon UK and after nearly three months of use i am very happy with them. I find they perform as well as the original Nikon EN-EL14. I suppose only time will tell if they are good long term investments, but at £30.00 UK for the two, they are certainly worth trying.
I can't tell any difference either but I did not take any scientific approach here. It just works and that is what it counts in my books.
Saw a replacement battery in Future Shop from Digipower for $49.99, Says right on the package that it is for the D5100.Also looking at the Best Buy site they have the same thing therehttp://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/digipower-digipower-lithium-ion-replacement-battery-for-nikon-en-el14-bp-nkl14-bp-nkl14/10221039.aspx?path=8646e77d47b272306c602f397f73456fen02same price too.Much better than the Nikon battery, the price on that one at Best Buy is $109.Going to have to get one and see how it works, will update when I find out.
Digipower? I wonder how is this better in comparison to the $15 packs sold by US sellers on ebay?Funny, the one ebay seller raised the price from $15 to $55. His packs where probably flying off the shelf after mentioning it here so he raised the price (he has sold 121 single packs via the one single auction I used to buy it). I wonder if they are 3.7 times better now! LOL
They must get these packs for couple of bucks and resale here in US for as little as $8 shipped:http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Replacement-EN-EL14-Battery-Pack-for-Nikon-P7000-/190705726630?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item2c66f274a6This one is not for Nikon D3100 so be careful. You even get a cleaning kit with this one here:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-EN-EL14-ENEL14-Battery-for-D5200-D3100-D5100-D3200-Digital-Camera-/171004949252?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item27d0b07304
Battery bought and it works in the d5100. Now to see how well it works.If it does well I will have to get another.
Well the new battery seems to be working great, no problems with it.I will definitely go this route again, works as well as the Nikon original battery.
Try the SterlingTek (STK) brand of camera batteries through Amazon. They're reliable and have used them on my Canon P&S cameras without problems. I'm pretty sure they'll work well on the Nikons if you don't want to spend the money on OEM's.--Ben
I have just stayed with the Nikon. Not worth it to me to have to worry about a 3rd party battery (mixed reviews) and also that the camera may not recognize them akk.Pat in NH
I agree with FKD about ebay. Like wierd Al's song about it says: it's a worldwide garage sale. "Buyer Beware".I, myself, have made some excellent purchases on eBay. Last year I found an immaculate and perfectly functioning Nikon N8008s for $40; and a pristine 28-85mm Nikkor lens to go with it for $120. (Also usable on my other Nikons) Shop around and contact the seller before making a purchase.Nothing is ever 100% bad or 100% good. Just be realistic in your expectations.


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The Devil's Hand
Tags: Alycia Debnam-Carey, Anne Heche, Christian Christiansen, Colm Meaney, Liddell Entertainment, Rufus Sewell, SUPERNATURAL, The Occult |
Something very strange happened in the small village of New Bethlehem, a devout community kept under the tight reins of the town's vigilant Elders. Six girls born on the same day to different mothers. Perhaps a coincidence or as most believe a chilling omen of something yet to come. Now, on the eve of their 18th birthday, the young women are mysteriously disappearing one by one and feared dead. Terror has overtaken this quiet community. Could this be the work of a serial killer, one of the village elders or a horrific prophecy come true, born of the supernatural, The Occult?
- Originally had an October 11th 2013 release set.
- Originally titled The Occult then The Devil's Rapture and lastly Where the Devil Hides.
- Filmed at the Screen Gems Studios and on locations around Wilmington, North Carolina.
- Alternate synopsis: Story follows a small commune dealing with a prophecy that predicts the coming of the devil's daughter. As the shared 18th birthday of five girls approaches, a sequence of murders causes panic to spread through the community, making some wonder whether the prophecy is coming true or if someone is silencing those who know too much.
- Production studio Liddell Entertainment will also release the pic under its new distribution banner.
- Director Christian Christiansen also helmed The Roommate in 2011.
A UHM staff member has not reviewed this film.


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Young's Literal Translation (YLT) | New International Version (NIV) |
1 And a certain man, Ananias by name, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, | 1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. |
Young's Literal Translation is in the public domain. (Young's Literal Translation - The Bible Online) | Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NIV) are from THE HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®. NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica. All rights reserved worldwide. (New International Version Bible Online) |