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I came across this posting today while searching the internet. I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this boat. She seems like a "project boat", but I'm wondering if it's too much project for me. The price is outstanding, for sure. But with what I'd need to do to make her even sailable, I'm almost nervous. If everything that he says needs to be done, then she's not sea worthy yet. Liveable on, perhaps. I know it's gonna take some time and money to get her to ready to sail, but time I have if I can live on her. Input???
This is the ad on craigslist. I can't put the link in because I don't have 10 posts yet! Argh! Anyway, if you want to see the link, go to craigslist in SF and type in sailboat. It's the 1969 Cheoy Lee Offshore 27 (aka Offshore Cadet) - $3000
Email for for details, I am happy to explain everything I know about the boat in detail including why I am considering selling it. I am one for full disclosure.
The good (why I am really fond of this boat):
- Beautiful classic full keel "blue water" boat
- Teak cockpit
- very thick / durable "60s" fiberglass
- strong running Volvo MD1 diesel inboard engine (8hp I believe), oil was just changed
- very clean interior for its age
- large cabin with standing room
- 2 main sails, 2 jibs, 1 spinnaker all in good shape (one additional sail, which I am honestly not even sure what it is)
- bottom just cleaned
- new battery
- new zincs
- newly rebuilt manual bilge
- new fuel filter and cup
The Bad (things I would fix in the coming year)
- standing rigging - has two small cracks in swage joints. I would replace the standing rigging all together since it is over 10 years old, but the lines to appear to be ok, its just those two joints that are showing problems.
- The life-line looks a little sketchy, i was planning on replacing it with some lines from the old rigging.
- if left in neutral the prop shaft stuffing box drips. I leave it in reverse when docked and it seems to stop the problem, but I would change it out next haul out.
- bottom paint will be needed in the next year or two. I had a diver clean it a few weeks ago, and he say there were some chips at the waterline, and a dozen or so quarter sized chips below the water line. I asked about blisters and he said there were a handful of pea-sized blisters but nothing out of the ordinary. He said it was nothing he would immediately worry about, just keep a regular cleaning schedule (every two months)
The Ugly (cosmetic issues)
- At some point there was a really bad deck repair done, its ugly. I would cut it out, see what condition their replacement wood was in and at lead re-lay some fiber glass, if not replace the wood as well. the spot is about 1' square
- there are a handful of other points around the deck that the paint has worn off of, so the whole thing could use a coat
- gelcoat is chalked, as you would expect on a boat this age. So it could also use a couple coats of paint over the cabin
- over all the teak is in ok shape, it could use a good oiling, and a few repairs, but pretty good over all. I personally like the character of the older well used wood.
- its 44 years old, so its got little things here and there.
I have a pile of sailing and sailboat repair books, as well as a portable ship to shore radio, and a bunch of hardware in a box (pullies, brass hardware, etc), some hand tools, a shop vac, lots of cleaning supplies, that will go with the boat. Also has fire extinguishers, couple life jackets, shore power adaptor, etc.
If you wanted to just use this boat as a slow motor boat to go fishing, etc on the bay its ready to go. If you want sail it I would suggest getting the rigging replaced before, then planning a haul out next winter for the bottom paint and stuffing box. Its an old boat, but they were built very solid back then. She has lots of character. I am not in any immediate need to sell her quickly or anything, life is just getting in the way of me working on and sailing her this summer, so i figured I would see if someone else could make better use of the boat.
As just about every boat I see on here under 10k she needs a little "TLC", but can make a really great boat. I tried to include photos that really show the true condition of the boat instead of just the sexy angles.
Email with any questions or if you would like to take a look at the boat.
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I tried using the Search field on this site, but never have much luck with it, so I'm asking for your help. I think I found my freezer for my keezer build. An old GE, somewhere about 5-5.3 cu ft. I set out cardboard circles and I THINK it will hold 3 kegs tight, with one on the hump. Cornies are 23" high right? How tall off the hump does my lid need to be to accompany that 3rd keg? How far up does your coupling and stuff stick up from the top of the keg? I'm thinking a 6" collar will do it, which would put the lid about 25-26" off the hump, but I just want to make sure. Thanks in advance!!
Well, I think that the connectors add about an inch or 2, but the inside of my lid pokes down about an inch or so into the collar area. That's why my collar started out as a 2"x6", and now is a 2"x6" plus a 2"x4"! Works though... Might want to do a mock up before puttin' it all together. Dave
The ball lock connectors stick above the black rubber coated handles about an inch. I would go with a minimum of 27" just to leave room for the hoses coming off the connectors. Go with a 1x for the collar. The first keezer I built I used 2x6's and the lid was really heavy. My current keezer I used 1x6 and it is soooo much better. Plus a 1x is actually 3/4" thick and I was able to find 1/2" x 3/4" weather stripping so I didn't have to mess with the original lid gasket.
Hi Doed, I'm not sure I understand how the 2x6's make the lid heavier. Are you attaching the collar permanently to the lid? Dave
Yes, some people make it so the entire collar opens and closes, not just the lid. It can save a lot of trouble when lifting kegs in and out over a tall collar. I have taller collar so I can put a keg on the corner hump and I originally just secured the collar to the freezer and opened the lid for access. But I recently remodeled it so now it's a "dual hinge" design - I can open just the lid on top or the entire collar and lid. Those taller collars can be a pain after a while - especially when your keezer is smaller and tight on space and you don't have much margin for error squeezing things in and out.
Interesting...I hadn't thought of that. Thanks!
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Robin Roberts has been diagnosed with MDS, a rare blood disorder, and will go on an extended medical leave Friday in preparation for a bone marrow transplant. Dr. Gail Roboz, who is helping Robin prepare her for her bone marrow transplant, appeared on "Good Morning America" today to discuss the medical road ahead. In the coming weeks, Dr. Roboz will help monitor Robin's health and progress.
Dr. Roboz answered some of questions the "GMA" staff and fans had about Robin's treatment, procedure and recovery process. Read her edited answers below.
What has Robin gone through to prepare for her bone marrow transplant?
Robin has received two cycles of a chemotherapy drug. You don't lose your hair, it doesn't make you sick. What it does is change the ways cells are dividing in the hope of improving the blood count and boostingthe level in the marrow. The concept here is to restore normal blood forming and marrow prior to transplant.
Why can't she just continue with that rebuilding form of chemotherapy instead of having the bone marrow transplant?
I hear this lot from patients who respond well to the medication and don't understand why they have to go through the rest of the treatment. But this chemo is not curative; it's reparative.
These types of medications can improve blood cells forming but it is temporary, measured in months or a year, rather than curative. [The vast majority of patients are unable to go through the rigors of stem cell replantation or don't have a donor available and need ongoing treatment for MDS].
A young patient like Robin wants to do more than improve. They want a cure.
What happens next?
Next for Robin is a chemo blast to prepare for the bone marrow transplant. Myeloablative chemo is different from what she has received so far. It lasts 10 days and will destroy her immune system, which is why she must be in isolation during that period.
Myelo means marrow and myeloablation [or myeloablative chemo] is designed to wipe out what is in the bone marrow before a bone marrow transplant. It will really wipe out her immune system so that it doesn't try to destroy the new cells that come in from her sister.
Even after the myeloablation, Robin's system still knows that the cells coming in aren't hers. Even though she has a perfect match, it would still attack those cells.
If we hit it just right, we will prevent any symptoms of graph vs. host disease [a rejection of the bone marrow transplant].
To find out more about bone marrow donation and sign up for a registration kit from the Be the Match Registry, click HERE.
How will she feel? What is happening?
She'll be tired, nauseous. But this is not the transplant procedure itself. This is not painful or hard to go through. After that's done, your body has a wiped out immune system. Sally Ann's cells will be trying to set up shop to set up an immune system and marrow to fight off infection. It takes time. You're completely vulnerable to infection and need to be on antibacterial, antifungals, and antibiotics. Your body is colonized with germs and even exposure from years ago can be dormant in your system.
The day a patient receives a bone marrow transplant is often called "Day Zero." What are the benchmarks in Robin's progress from there?
Days 0 – 30: The first 30 days are when the new cells are setting up shop and getting ready to regenerate. So many of my patients ask me, when the catheter is placed in her chest for the transplant, 'How do these cells know where to go? How do they find the bone marrow?' These cells have homing signals to help them find where they need to go and start growing and creating an environment for themselves.
"Early recovery" is when the bone marrow is taking hold, and blood is being created normally.
[Until her donated cells engraft and] she starts making blood cells and platelets on her own, she's completely dependent on platelet and blood transfusions. It's about filling in for what your system can't do. It can't fight infections. The medications have to fight everything that's out there. You can't make cells or platelets, so you'll have transfusions. You can't eat, so we give you something to keep you nourished.
This is a tough time in the treatment. There are mouth sores, weight loss, diarrhea, food doesn't taste good, there's hair loss.
What will her hospital set-up be like during this period?
The team is there the whole time, monitoring how you're feeling, what your experiencing, constantly. It's not the "intensive care unit" but its intensive care.
What will you be looking for and monitoring in the first 30 days?
We need to get through that period of wiped-out blood counts. We'll start to see white blood cells, red blood cells and platelets growing on their own. That's the evidence that the graph is working. That's when we breathe our initial sigh of relief. She'll need fewer transfusions, fewer medications, she'll be getting out of the hospital [after 30 days]. At that point, she'll still be on significant meds to regulate her immune system, but she'll be recovering at that point.
Talk about Days 30 to 100.
Starting at that 30 Day mark, she'll have bone marrow evaluations to see that it's growing normally.
In the days that follow – until the 100 day benchmark – we're seeing problems getting solved. She'll get off the meds, she won't feel as tired or as gross as you do when you're on so many pills. She'll start liking to eat again. She'll have to remind herself what she likes to do. You're separated from all that stuff for so long, you have to slowly reintroduce yourself to what you used to do.
Will she want visitors?
Probably not every day. It's a day to day thing. Well-wishers have to understand that the patient drives what's best for them. Sometimes it's best to let someone sleep.
When does she go home?
If all goes well, Robin will go home after 30 days.
When she goes home she won't be feeling like herself, but we hope she'll be able to do some exercises, read and focus. It's important not to put a time stamp on anything. People are variable. Especially the way people are micromanaged in this process. You can't be worried if you're slower than others.
When will she feel like herself again?
Transplant is an individual experience. …We can't tell you how and when someone will feel better. Some people say they didn't feel 100% for a year. Others are ready to go back out much earlier.
What happens after the 100 Day Mark?
We have to watch patients super-closely for 100 days. We don't trust anything for the first 100 days. After that, we're happy. With cancer patients, we use five years as a benchmark to a cure. When someone has had a marrow transplant, we'll be watching her for life, to see if she's having symptoms.
How will you monitor when Robin will be able to come back to work?
We'll need to see high blood counts that don't require transfusions. She must be totally off antibiotics. Feeling sharp. There's an extra high bar for her because she has a harder job than most. She needs to have her system all up and running — marrow, immune system, nutrition — everything that was wiped out in chemotherapy has to be restored.


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"This is an extremely hearty soup that only gets better in the fridge! It is one of the only soups you will not have to jazz up on your own, and people will remember you for it! This is a great cold-weather soup, but my family requests it all year long."
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2 tablespoons butter
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
1 1/2 pounds lean boneless beef round steak, cut into cubes
1/2 cup chopped onion
3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon paprika
1 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper
4 cups beef broth
2 cups water
4 sprigs fresh parsley, chopped
2 tablespoons chopped celery leaves
1 bay leaf
1/2 teaspoon dried marjoram
1 1/2 cups peeled, diced Yukon Gold potatoes
1 1/2 cups sliced carrots
1 1/2 cups chopped celery
1 (6 ounce) can tomato paste
1 (15.25 ounce) can whole kernel corn, drained
I am thrilled to be the first review. This soup was EXCELLENT! I love soup but have always struggled with veggie/tomato/beef based ones. They just never turn out like I remember mom making. Not until this one that is. I made exactly as written and was very pleased. This would be good with some green beans or peas for added nutrition and color too. Very good full bodied flavor and this will be my go to veggie soup. Thank you so much for sharing!
I should have more carefully read the reviews for this before making it. I would have either cut WAY down on the tomato paste, or completely omitted it. I was really excited about this soup as I was making it and then when I added the tomato paste, it turned the nice beef broth into a very strong tomato broth. If you love a strong tomato flavor to your steak soup, then this is a great recipe for you. If i make this again, I will definitely omit the paste. Otherwise, this would be a wonderful recipe.
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YUM!!! The broth for this is fantastic! I only had a tsp of Paprika left in my spice jar, so that is all I used. After reading the reviews, I only used 3 oz of tomato paste and that was perfect for my taste. I substituted peas for the corn and it gave it the perfect hint of color! Will be my go to recipe for sure!
This is very good. It taste like beef stew soup. After reading the reviews and some saying the tomato paste was too much I added it a Tablespoon at a time and used about half the can which was enough for my taste. The marjoram and paprika flavor is nice and while the meat was simmering I added 1/2 c. cabernet wine (dry red wine) which enhanced and brought together the flavors. It took a little longer for my meat to cook to tender. I felt no need to thicken this soup further as it is soup and not stew. Flavors developed more after allowing to rest. Delicious and great with a hunk of crusty bread.
Very easy and absolutely delicious. I used top sirloin as another reviewer suggested instead of round steak because I wanted to be sure it was tender. And since some other reviewers were not fans of the tomato paste I just added a bit of the concentrated tomato paste that comes in a tube until it tasted the way I wanted to and it was perfect. I will definitely make this again.
What I love most about AllRecipes is that I can look at several recipes and gather ideas for the perfect dish. In another recipe the author added diced cabbage. I tweaked that in this recipe to adding kale, for both color and nutrition. I used two small cans (5.5 oz) of V8 juice and skipped the tomato Paste altogether. Not a fan Of tomoto-ey things. Lastly, I replaced the potatoes with barley because of the nutritional benefits it brings. Very yummy.
Really good. Using top sirloin insures the beef to be more tender than top round. Putting in crockpot is great.
I had leftover medium rare Top Sirloin I had marinated and grilled for a party. The next day I googled "steak soup recipe" and found this one. A keeper! Because my steak was already grilled to medium rare I did not put it in with the onions until about a minute before the time came to coat the onion and steak mixture. I sliced it more thin than cubed so there were more "pieces" in the soup. I used Vidalia onions, because they are my fave when I can get them in California. I left out the celery leaves, only because I have family that inexplicably dislikes the the taste of celery. Otherwise I followed the recipe to a "T." Super well received, and the recipe was requested! When I make it again I might add a little more broth because after refrigerating it was much less "soup like." But it was still good. I had some leftover red potatoes I had mashed with 1% low fat milk and Smart Balance and simply added the thick steak soup to them and had the equivalent of a healthy delectable Shepherd's Pie. Thanks again!
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Serving Size: 1/8 of a recipe Servings Per Recipe: 8 Amount Per Serving Calories: 361 Calories from Fat: 116
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I'll once again stand by my past posts. Climate modelling is still way to uncertain (re primitive) to make predictions, or especially place blame. There simply is not enough known about the earth's system to get even close to modelling it reliably, let alone predict the future. The Planet has many more surprises left and won't miss any or all of us.
Now let all of us, especially you climate change religion types, just calm down and go back to saving the seals.
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Father's Day recognizes the importance of being a dad. Today 1 out of 3 children lives in a home with no father present on a regular basis. But anyone can lend a hand to kids without a dad in their lives.
This week golfer Phil Mikelson flew all night from San Diego to the Merion Golf Club in Ardmore, Pa., arriving just 90 minutes before his tee time at the US Open golf championship. The reason: He didn't want to miss his daughter's eighth-grade graduation ceremony.
His fatherly loyalty didn't hurt his golf game: He shot a 67, his best opening round ever at a US Open event.
Woody Allen famously said, "80 percent of life is just showing up." That certainly applies to fathering: A dad may not always be sure what is the right thing to do, but he can always try to be there. That counts for a lot.
Today 1 out of 3 children lives in a home with no father present on a regular basis, the Census Bureau says. Other studies outline the costs: Children in homes without fathers are nearly four times more likely to be poor. They have higher odds of being jailed than those in two-parent families and are more likely to be obese. Girls in these families are more likely to become pregnant before finishing high school.
Yes, kids can and do thrive in a mom-only household. But parenting is a tough task to hand to a single parent. Just ask President Obama.


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Luca Sbisa missed Sunday's game against his former Anaheim teammates because of a lower-body injury.
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Bournemouth Winter Gardens' fate has finally been sealed after the town's borough council voted in favour of demolishing the 69-year-old 2,000-seat venue.
The local authority has taken the decision to tear down the building in the spring and replace it with a smaller venue and housing. It has been under threat of demolition for much of the last three years. Other proposals still being considered include a car park, educational facilities, a base for Dance South West, an arthouse cinema and shops.
Supporters of the Winter Gardens have accused the current Liberal Democrat council of reneging on promises to revamp the building made in 2003 when they wrested control of the borough from the Tories.
Rod Kennedy, an opera singer and chairman of the Winter Gardens Trust, insisted that his campaign to save the Winter Gardens would continue. Speaking to The Stage, he said: "It is not over yet. Demolition would be premature. They are not due to start rebuilding until spring 2007. In my view the plan is a collection of rabbit hutches."
Once the venue is flattened, the council wants to turn the site into a temporary 120-space car park prior to redevelopment beginning, and Kennedy claimed that the trust's proposals for the site have not been fairly considered. "The goalposts have been moved and the playing field has been tilted, right the way along," he added.
The council insists that the disused building costs £80,000 a year to maintain and demolition would save money and prove that it is serious about redevelopment.
It argues that the Bournemouth-Poole conurbation, which boasts the Bournemouth International Centre, the Bournemouth Pavilion, Poole Lighthouse as well as the Winter Gardens, currently has one large venue too many.
A council spokesperson said: "This plan will provide the missing link for the area. Our research identified a gap for smaller scale, more innovative arts events including music and dance."
"Every possible source of external funding has been explored. In this development, the spirit of the Winter Gardens can live on, with culture opened up to all in an accessible and inclusive way."


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New Opportunities Through Integration of Print and Digital Media
December 23, 2011Q—Mr. Schreier, since the last Drupa the printing industry has been experiencing tough times, especially in the Western industrial countries. In addition to the difficult economic conditions, digital media is increasingly in direct competition with traditional print products. Is the Gutenberg era coming to an end?
Schreier—Not at all. Even today, more than 500 years after the invention of book printing, our industry still has enormous potential. That said, the environment has changed dramatically over the past few years. The economic crisis two years ago, and the current unstable situation in the Eurozone, have caused a significant change in the market that will continue.
The printing market in Western industrial countries has largely stagnated at a high level. At the same time, emerging countries and the Asian markets are experiencing high growth rates. Take a look at the Chinese print market, which alone in 2009 achieved around 42 billion euros. Within just six years, the market volume there has doubled.
The reasons for these regional growth differences are obvious. Whereas the print market in Western countries is essentially stable and at a high level, in upcoming countries such as China or India, there is enormous pent-up demand in virtually all areas of the economy. Naturally the print industry is also profiting from this.
Just look at packaging print. Even recently, in these countries, a large proportion of goods were packed in newspaper or sold loose across the shop counter. All this is changing at a breathtaking tempo. Almost everywhere, there are now supermarkets for a growing number of consumers who are consciously deciding in favour of goods and brands packaged in an appealing way.
That is another reason why packaging print will see the largest worldwide growth potential of almost 17 percent by 2014. It's a similar picture for print shops in the Western industrial nations; this is because with the increasing range of products and greater competitive pressure at the point-of-sale, packaging conveying a brand image and marketing messages is continuing to increase in importance here as well.


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3DS will boast a 3D camera when it launches in Japan next month, allowing users to take 3D snaps, but Nintendo president Satoru Iwata would also like the new handheld to support 3D video recording capabilities.
Speaking in the latest episode of the Iwata Asks series of interviews, he said: "I think it will be fun if we're able to include video recording capabilities with future updates."
That's it. Nothing set in stone, but it seems like a logical next step.
Earlier this week, it was rumoured that 3DS will release in the UK on or around March 25 for £200-£230.


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Posted onThe National Maritime Heritage Foundation and its DC Sail program in Washington, D.C., will celebrate 10 years of promoting sailing education and kick off the Mid-Atlantic sailing season, with an open house 5-8 p.m. May 6 at the Gangplank Marina at 600 Water Street SW.
Attendees can tour the foundation's facilities and check out the fleet that includes five Flying Scots, four lasers and one 65-foot schooner. They can also meet DC Sail members and learn about volunteer opportunities.
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MIDDLETOWN SPRINGS A motorcycle rider was injured after crashing into the back of a car, police said.
Jeffrey Greene, 34, of Middle Granville, N.Y., was riding a 1992 Harley-Davidson motorcycle east on West Street behind a 2001 Pontiac Sunfire driven by Fernando Parker, 52, of Middletown Springs, at about 4:10 p.m. Friday, according to Vermont State Police.
Parker stopped to make a left turn into a driveway, police said, and Greene was unable to stop his motorcycle before it hit the cars rear bumper.
The motorcycle tipped over on its right side and slid into a ditch on the westbound shoulder of West Street, about 12 to 15 feet from the crash, police said.
Greene fell off the motorcycle and slid 8 to 10 feet on the road, police said. He was taken to the Rutland Regional Medical Center, where he was treated for cuts and bruises.
Parker, who was wearing a seat belt, was unhurt.
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1 Listen! Wisdom is calling out. Reason is making herself heard. | 1 Does not wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise her voice? |
2 On the hilltops near the road and at the crossroads she stands. | 2 On the heights along the way, where the paths meet, she takes her stand; |
3 At the entrance to the city, beside the gates, she calls: | 3 beside the gates leading into the city, at the entrances, she cries aloud: |
4 "I appeal to all of you; I call to everyone on earth. | 4 "To you, O men, I call out; I raise my voice to all mankind. |
5 Are you immature? Learn to be mature. Are you foolish? Learn to have sense. | 5 You who are simple, gain prudence; you who are foolish, gain understanding. |
6 Listen to my excellent words; all I tell you is right. | 6 Listen, for I have worthy things to say; I open my lips to speak what is right. |
7 What I say is the truth; lies are hateful to me. | 7 My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness. |
8 Everything I say is true; nothing is false or misleading. | 8 All the words of my mouth are just; none of them is crooked or perverse. |
9 To those with insight, it is all clear; to the well-informed, it is all plain. | 9 To the discerning all of them are right; they are faultless to those who have knowledge. |
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver; choose knowledge rather than the finest gold. | 10 Choose my instruction instead of silver, knowledge rather than choice gold, |
11 "I am Wisdom, I am better than jewels; nothing you want can compare with me. | 11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her. |
12 I am Wisdom, and I have insight; I have knowledge and sound judgment. | 12 "I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I possess knowledge and discretion. |
13 To honor the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil ways and false words. | 13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech. |
14 I make plans and carry them out. I have understanding, and I am strong. | 14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have understanding and power. |
15 I help kings to govern and rulers to make good laws. | 15 By me kings reign and rulers make laws that are just; |
16 Every ruler on earth governs with my help, officials and nobles alike. | 16 by me princes govern, and all nobles who rule on earth. |
17 I love those who love me; whoever looks for me can find me. | 17 I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me. |
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22 "The Lord created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago. | 22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; |
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24 I was born before the oceans, when there were no springs of water. | 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; |
25 I was born before the mountains, before the hills were set in place, | 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, |
26 before God made the earth and its fields or even the first handful of soil. | 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. |
27 I was there when he set the sky in place, when he stretched the horizon across the ocean, | 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, |
28 when he placed the clouds in the sky, when he opened the springs of the ocean | 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, |
29 and ordered the waters of the sea to rise no further than he said. I was there when he laid the earth's foundations. | 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. |
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36 Those who do not find me hurt themselves; anyone who hates me loves death." | 36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death." |
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I am wondering if anyone can help me with this. I planted several hardy shrub roses last year - Morden Belle, Morden Blush and Morden Sunrise. I thought that being hardy shrub roses, they would do well in Calgary. However, they have all died back to the ground. So far, only the Morden Belle is sending up a new cane, but the others are still not doing a thing. Do these hardy shrub roses all still die back to the ground in our climate? Do they start again later in the season? Or should they be sending up canes by now? Thanks for your help! |
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LOL, I've been meaning to make a post something along these lines from Edmonton too! I have two Morden Centennial roses that are at least 10 years old. They've never proven fully hardy for me, usually I lose about half the top growth each winter, the upper parts of the branches that were latest to develop. But this winter I lost ALL the top growth on one plant, and about 90% on the other -- never come close to such damage before. I was expecting very little damage since we had warm weather into mid-October last year to ripen the wood, then a deep and persistent cover of snow. One of the mysteries of gardening. On the good news side, I watered my rose bed heavily about a week ago, along with a shot of fertilizer, and now the Mordens plus my hybrid teas (which kill to the ground every year anyway) are putting up new shoots beside the old dead stems. Give them a good soak and that should wake them up. |
Thanks so much, don! I will try just that!!! :-) |
- Posted by shillanorth 4A (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 9:15
I have Winnipeg Parks, Morden Sunrise and Purple Pavement and they always die back to the ground every year for me but usually bounce back. This year they are way behind though and it looks like I lost one Morden Sunrise. I think having no reliable snow cover plays a big part in how well they manage throughout the winter. This photo was taken May 15/2013 and this year you would not even know there were roses in that garden. |
- Posted by nutsaboutflowers 2b/3a (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 9:37
One of my roses died back to the ground this year also. I've never had that happen before. As usual we had good snow cover, but I think the persistent cold this year just got to it. |
- Posted by Donna.in.Sask 2b (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 16:43
Morden Sunrise is not as hardy as some of the other Mordens like Ruby, Blush etc. I won't be replacing mine this year (I think I've bought at least five over the years). Hope for Humanity is a really nice and hardy red shrub rose. |
Thanks everyone for your input - this is really helpful information! I am going to wait for a little bit but if they don't show up soon, they will be "shovel-pruned"! LOL! |
- Posted by northspruce z3a MB CDA (My Page) on Sun, May 25, 14 at 20:51
My Winnipeg Parks is one of my worst for dieback. My Mordens are fairly small but come through the winter better than WP on average. Last year WP "died" and I didn't dig it up because there was a big delphinium growing right next to it, so I left it and it sprouted in August. Lazy beast. |
northspruce, I am so surprised to hear that your Winnipeg Parks is like that!!! I was considering planting one, in place of the hybrid tea (Pink Peace) that I planted last year as I am sure that it will not come back. However, now I need to think again. I am wondering if anyone has experience with Campfire? |
I think my teeny weeny campfire rose is going to make it but I'm not holding my breath. I planted her last year for my coming grandson. Yesterday she looked alive and she has been covered with leaves up until yesterday. Time will tell. Ginny. |
Wow, Ginny, why do you keep things covered for so long? I removed the leaf-cover from my tea roses and blackberries around April 20. If it works for you, that's what matters, but I cringe at losing a month in our too-short summers. |
Don, I don't usually really cover anything unless it is new and tender. I have not been well this spring and am late at getting the yard work done. I almost forgot that I planted Campfire last spring and she was just under a layer of leaves that had blown in....usually all the cover my garden gets. I like the leaves to keep the mud down in the spring so I don't usually rake them in the fall or I rake them onto my flower beds. It's all good. :) Ginny |
- Posted by northspruce z3a MB CDA (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 9:01
I don't uncover my roses until the native trees start leafing out. That was this past week! Spring has been really late here in MB. Since I've been doing it this way, I've stopped losing roses. I'd have to check my records but I don't think I've lost a rose besides the near miss with WP for at least 4 years. It sucks for the tulips and crocuses I have planted near them though. They shouldn't be covered up that long. |
This is the first year 4 of my roses died back to the ground. I thought they had had it but all have new growth so with a good pruning they will be fine. Morden Sunrise is one (rated zone 3 I think) and 3 Country Dancers which are rated zone 4. I'm in zone 3b so it wouldn't be very surprising except that IMO last winter was milder than other winters when they survived well. |
WOW! Seems like this is a bad year for our poor roses! Sigh.... I am just wondering how much longer I should give them.... so far, only Morden Belle is showing new growth. Otherwise, my Morden Blush and Morden Sunrise are not showing any sign of life still....... SIGH! |
- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 14 at 9:46
ostrich if it helps you at all my Morden Sunrise only started to show signs of life 2 weeks ago and I have been, for the most part, considerably warmer than you. I have a John Davis that has green canes that is not showing anything yet. Although it is still in the one gal pot from when my dad bought it and the only one that showed hopes of surviving. Thinking about it one thing I have found weird is that weeks ago I pruned my MS back to green wood yet no growth has come from those canes. Luckygal I totally agree that last winter was mild BUT we did have very short cold spell that the thermometer dipped to -34. While it was only that cold for less then 24 hrs from what I am reading it isn't how long the cold is for but how cold it got. In an article I read from a professor at the U of S (wish I could find it again) he stated that it didn't matter how long the cold was for just tell him the coldest temp recorded and he would tell you what lived and what died, or to that effect. Lets hope this year is better on the plants.. SCG |
John Davis and John Cabot were both tip hardy this year. Cabot's getting quite tall - almost 5 feet after two years. The rugosas came out fine. Everything else got destroyed. About four inches of live cane (snowcover, basically). |
This post was edited by shazam_z3 on Tue, May 27, 14 at 16:10
I did a bit of an inventory the other day. Morden Sunrise died back almost to the ground but is sending up some new shoots. JP Connell and Topaz Jewel are iffy. And my dear Hawkeye Belle seems to have bit the dust. :( No sign of life whatsoever. I'll wait and see if any new growth comes from the roots before getting rid of her. Everything else was okay, some of them with more dieback than others, but they're all leafing out now. |
My Morden Blush often dies back almost to the ground(a few times it has come back from the ground). My Emily Carr has done the same thing. But both of them typically bounce back really well. Despite JP Connell supposedly being a bit more tender, it has done better for me the past 2 winters than my Hope for Humanity, which barely seems to survive from year to year. Hasn't shown signs of life yet, although it did bounce back somewhat last year. We'll see. Purple Pavement is nearly tip hardy. Marie Victorin usually does very well also, but it was heavily chewed by voles this winter, so it is coming up from the ground. I wouldn't plant Marie Victorin again, though. The flowers are BEAUTIFUL when they are at their peak..which lasts about 5 minutes. They very quickly turn ugly. This was my Prairie Joy's first winter, she did fine, but definitely not tip hardy. The only rose I have that never has any dieback is my Prairie Peace Erskine rose. It doesn't matter how exposed of a spot I put her in! I always struggle with this dilemma: do I put straw around my roses so more of the canes survive? If I do there is a high possibility of voles in my garden doing major damage. I've probably had more dieback due to voles than cold! |
Weeper, it's good to here about Prairie Peace, I have a list of roses that I am interested in getting but am trying to avoid the poor ones. Trying to stay with fragrant roses and don't mind if they die back but it is nice if they don't. I would like to find Hazeldean some where. Wayne |
- Posted by CossecaRose_z3 Zone 3 (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 7:42
The winter was very cold and long here in Ontario. Here's an update about how things did in my neck of the woods... My two Morden Sunrise died down to the ground, but they're sending out some nice shoots with buds on the ends. (Maybe 6'' long now). My Champlain had a few inches long left alive, it's an own-rooter too... Marie Victorin had quite a bit of dieback, it had gotten about 4' high, now there was maybe 7'' long of green canes left... John Cabot surprisingly died to the snowline, shich we had alot of, so he had about 4' high of cane left. The flower carpets (my first roses, about 9 years old now) died to the ground, as usual, and are sending out good, but short shoots... rosa glauca barely had any dieback, it did awesome... the wild roses - acicularis and virginiana - did really great, no dieback at all. Even, in one exposed spot the other (hardy zone 3) perennials all died completely, except for good ol, acicularis, with again, no dieback. The rugosas had little dieback... Quadra had very little dieback, although it was about 3' high in the Fall, so it was under snow... Martin Frobisher had most of his tall shoots die completely back, now all I have left are two tall 4' high twigs that look like they're gonna look like awkward lollipops! Emily Carr died to the ground, but has nice shoots now, a few inches long...Alexander Mackenzie did well, with a little bit of dieback, but it was a short bush still, as did Morden Snowbeauty. But the rugosas, even the zoned 4 rugosa 'Belle Poitevine' had very little dieback. The potted roses in the shed are long long gone... I gotta say, though, those wild roses did really well! Here I'm days to a week to having some buds open. |
Martin Frobisher has always been a reliable rose for me, usually with very little dieback. This winter was no different, fortunately. He's coming along quite nicely. I haven't looked closely at anything lately because the mosquitoes drive me inside really quickly, so i don't know for sure if there are any buds yet, but i would doubt it. It's a slow spring. Cosseca, where are you? Not enough Ontarians here! |
- Posted by CossecaRose_z3 Zone 3 (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 15:57
Hey Marcia - I love your tag: *tropical3*! Yup, I wish more Ontarians were here too. I'm in Sudbury. Where are you? Yes, I agree, the mosquitos are really bad here too... oh, well. We're toughies I guess! How old is your Martin? How big? Books aren't reliable for size in this zone I find. Mine is about 2yrs old. |
I'm in the Northwest, betwen Dryden and Kenora, but have been to the Sudbury area many times as my mother had a load of relatives there. Trying to think how old Martin is. The earliest picture i have is from 2009, but i'm sure he's been around for a lot longer. He had a tough go of it a few years ago - was covered in galls and was very sickly. I pruned him pretty hard and he came back nicely and looks quite well now. |
I finally pulled the plug, could not wait for it any longer and pulled out all of these dead "hardy" roses.... I was wondering if I would find any sign of life as I was digging them up. Nope. Not a thing.... so they were well and truly dead. Sigh... Buh bye Morden Sunrise, Morden Blush and Pink Peace (OK, this one is not a hardy rose...). I replaced just one space with another rose, as I just am not sure that I want to go through this again (at least not for now!). Per the recommendations of other posters here, I got myself a nice Hope for Humanity for a spot that would look SUPER with a deep red rose! I cannot wait to see how that would look there. If my Morden Belle will not do well this season, it is going. It will then be replaced by a Therese Bugnet!!! Sigh... |
- Posted by TanlineTracey 2b (My Page) on Thu, Jun 12, 14 at 16:26
K I had to take a pic of Therese, just starting to open. The three I planted last yr are beating the one that's 4 yrs old. I also love the color of her stems as you can always tell its her amongst the others. |
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