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35 Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. | 35 Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness. |
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Godetevi le nostre suite molto privati di Bed & Breakfast situati nel cuore del centro di Jim Thorpe. Ogni suite dispone di un idromassaggio Jacuzzi di due persone, caminetto, balcone privato con vista storica Race Street e un salotto privato e sala colazione. Queste suite offrono un'impareggiabile combinazione di intimità e la posizione. Non dovrete preoccuparvi di esecuzione in altri ospiti. Tutte le suite sono situate al proprio piano e dispongono di un privato, bagno prima colazione con prodotti da forno freschi e frutta biologica preparato dal locandiere. Offriamo anche un pacchetto di massaggio di coppia, un pacchetto di innamorato con rose e champagne, un pacchetto di sci e un pacchetto grande cena infrasettimanali. Suite a Broadway sono a pochi passi da tutte le attrazioni. Fumare è consentito sul balcone privato.
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56 Recensioni
4,0 su dicembre 12, 2014
We stayed at the Suites on Broadway for 3 nights in November 2014 to celebrate our anniversary. I must say that we have traveled many places and have stayed at many places from top resorts to small cabins in the woods. We wanted to find the perfect serene place for this occasion. This was the absolute perfect place.From the beautiful spacious room that was impeccably clean and beautifully decorated, to the amazing service that felt like it was designed just for us. The baked goods and fresh fruit were not only a wonderful delight every morning, we could hardly wait to see what was put outside our room for us the next morning! Marianne was so welcoming and did all she could to fulfill our every need. When we arrived and walked into our little hideaway it just felt so welcoming and comforting to our souls that we knew we had chose the perfect place for our very special stay. It was wonderful!!! Not your normal Bed and Breakfast, it is so much more..Located .right in the middle of town was great. Everything that you could want to do was a walk away and very convenient. We only live two hours from Jim Thorpe and we will be back many times, its nice to find your home away from home and this is our place! You could not be disappointed in any way. Thank you so much Marianne for having such a wonderful place for us to go to, it has stamped a unforgettable memory in our minds and memories are a big part of what you have to hold on to in life. Thanks again, see you soon:)
3,0 su ottobre 31, 2014
We found this place Googling B&B's. It is listed as a B&B alternative. Beware of what that means. It is more like a luxury apt.Our room was spacious, ultra clean, private and cozy. But there are no common areas for guests, inside or out. You must walk through a retail store to get to your room. The balcony had a view of a neighbors' window, not a mountain view. And an electric fireplace (non-heat producing) is not a fireplace. We also did not get the room we asked for. There is no communal dining, rather home-baked goods left in your room. And the owner is NOT on premise. Perfect place if you want to be left alone. 5 stars as a home-stay or apt. 2 stars as a B&B
3,6 su ottobre 29, 2014
Very nice, clean and comfortable room. Quiet and private. Great location, much to see and do. Loved having coffee in the morning on the balcony. We will definitely be back.
3,0 su ottobre 29, 2014
Room was large and interesting. A bit noisy with street traffic but otherwise nice. Host was wonderful.
5 su ottobre 15, 2014
No complaints! Spent two nights here with my boyfriend during October (which is a beautiful time to visit Jim Thorpe) and we we didn't want to leave Suites on Broadway so soon! The rooms are clean and new and the decor makes for a cozy and aesthetically pleasing place to stay! The owner is a doll and she was very welcoming, made us feel right at home. She does not live on premise, the rooms are above her boutique, but she makes herself available via her personal cell phone in the event that you need anything after she leaves the shop at night. She leaves baked goods out for you each night for the next morning. The kitchenette (mini fridge, toaster, microwave, coffee maker) was fully stocked with dishes and silverware, milk, juice, jelly, coffee, tea, etc. There is also a cute little balcony that had it been a few degrees warmer, we would have enjoyed thoroughly! Also has a king size mattress and flat screen TV. Ideal, central location in town- It was easy enough for us to stop in our room to use the bathroom or freshen up while we were walking around town.
4,6 su ottobre 05, 2014
This was our first, but not our last, visit to Jim Thorpe. We really enjoyed our stay and the Suits on Broadway made it a fantastic experience. We will be staying again.
5 su settembre 08, 2014
This b and b was very nice. The rooms were big and clean. The proprietor was very accommodating to any special requests We made. We would definitely stay here again and recommend it to our friends
4,6 su agosto 20, 2014
Marianne was a GREAT Host, as she always is. This was our third stay in the Broadway suite, its beginning to feel like home. Thanks!
4,2 su agosto 20, 2014
Beautiful suite centrally located in town. Marianne was a wonderful host. My husband is not a "B&B-type" guy but he loved it as well. We hope to return soon.
5 su luglio 11, 2014
Very nice B&B for your visit to Jim Thorpe. Excellent pastry items, including gluten free when you let them know.
Large bedroom with king size bed, adiacente salotto, cucina europea, camino, bagno privato con vasca idromassaggio di due persone. Ogni suite include un balcone privato, tv via cavo, ac, frigorifero, tostapane, Caffettiera, forno a microonde, deposito bici, parcheggio privato e la connessione internet wireless. Colazione continentale servita nella vostra suite.
Prezzo per notte: $150 - $185
Large bedroom with king size letto, camino elettrico europeo, adiacente salotto, cucina europea, bagno privato con vasca idromassaggio di due persone. Ogni suite include un balcone privato, tv via cavo, ac, frigorifero, tostapane, Caffettiera, forno a microonde, deposito bici, parcheggio privato e la connessione internet wireless. Colazione continentale servita nella vostra suite.
Prezzo per notte: $150 - $185
Centro città, Montagna, Piccolo Paese
Allentown, PA (LVI-Lehigh Valley International) 24 miles
Percorso 209 a Jim Thorpe. West a Broadway 97
Shopping Antiquariato, Gallerie d'arte, Cene da gourmet, Interessi Storici, Lago, Musica dal vivo, Cinema, Musei, Parchi Nazionali/Statali, Zona Naturale, Train Rides, Punti vendita, Area Picnic, Servizi religiosi, Fiume, Zona sciistica, Vigneti, Azienda vinicola
Other, Bed and Breakfast
Giochi da tavolo, Fotocopiatrici, Dispositivo Fax, Biblioteche, Telefono , Deposito bici
Aria condizionata, Sveglia , Prodotti di cortesia, Accappatoi, CD player, Ventilatori, Attrezzature per Caffè/Tè, DVD Player, Camino, Frigorifero, Asciugacapelli, Jacuzzi, Ferro da stiro, Microonde, TV via cavo/satellite, TV, Wi-Fi
Noleggio bici, Piste ciclabili, Osservazione Uccelli, Nautica, Piste da sci attraverso la campagna, Sci in discesa, Pesca, Golf, Escursioni, Caccia, Kayak, Mountain Bike, Regate, Shopping, Scenari, Noleggio sci, Nuoto, Campi da tennis, Rafting sulle onde
Marianne & Darryl Monteleone
Inglese, Spagnolo
Marianne Office\modelli\strutture abbigliamento e la boutique è situato al primo piano del Bed & Breakfast.
A basso contenuto di grassi
, Restrictive , Vegetariano


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Women's History Month Interview Series: Q&A with Yahoo! Sports Producer & Content Editor, Kari Van Horn
by Matt Kardos | Posted on Thursday, March 20th, 2014
We continue our Women's History Month Interview Series today with a do-it-all type. Kari Van Horn is many things. In addition to reporting, Kari is also the Producer and Content Editor at Yahoo! Sports. If nothing else, you can say one thing about Kari Van Horn…she loves her sports!
1. How big of an impact did sports have on your life growing up?
It had a huge impact. I am a product of the entertainment industry. Both of my parents have been in the business since they graduated college. So, I really had no choice. My father was a sports broadcaster and my mother was a newsroom anchor writer. I moved to different cities growing up as my dad was covering different teams. I, myself, growing up became an athlete; i played five different sports in high school, played travel ball, competed globally. I can tell you, with a brother who is playing collegiate baseball right now, it definitely had a huge impact.
2. Both of your parents are well decorated in your field; Emmy Award winners for their broadcasting work. Did they guide you into following them or did you just naturally gravitate to the field as well?
It definitely wasn't forced upon me at all. In fact, they actually didnt like my decision to go into the industry. There were several times where they kind of tried to scare me away from it. But, they got to a point where they said, if this is what you want to do than we're not going to hide it from you. So, I have seen the good, bad and ugly. I really have them to thank for preparing me for what I am doing now because I really knew that I had to have a thick skin if I wanted to be successful in this industry.
3. Aside from your parents, who has had the biggest impact on your career thus far?
I was fortunate enough to grow up in Souther California where most of my friends are now professional athletes. In graduating high school and preparing for college while they were preparing to be drafted. I go to see the processes that they were going through while I was also becoming a college athlete. I really loved sports and thought that there was nothing else I could ever see myself doing so i wanted to align myself with their careers so I decided to go into sports media.
4. What teams did you grow up rooting for?
I moved around a lot and usually most kids develop their sports preferences from their parents. My parents preferences were pretty strange; living in Southern California without a professional football team, I grew up rooting for the Colts. My father grew up in Indianapolis and when i was eight years-old I went to a game and had one of those amazing, star struck moments when I was looking up at the banners. I saw Peyton, and my cousin had went to school with him at Tennessee and so I thought he was an amazing, hes my idol, and eight year-old me fell in love with the Colts.
For baseball, I was very torn between Angels, Dodgers and Braves. The Braves because I was born in Atlanta and my father covered them for the first four years of my life. I remember hanging out in the press box and all of the players being really nice to me. At nine years-old, I went to an Angels game. The sun was shining, we were so close to the infield and I remember Ken Hill was the pitcher and I remember he took the mound and I remember he had number 98 on his back and I just fell in love. Plus, it didnt hurt that Disney owned the team. Living ten minutes from the stadium, I was supposed to be a Dodgers fan but it was really hard to grasp any real connection with them because any player that you fell in love with during that era, they traded.
5. What is your favorite sport to cover and why?
Baseball is my favorite sport, hands down. It has had such a strong influence on my life with my dad being a professional scout and a college coach and going to my brothers games and myself being a softball player, there really is nothing like it. The commodore of the players, the relationships with the fans. I think it is a perfect Ven Diagram of love, friendship and animosity.
6. What is the most memorable interview that you have done?
The Lakers practice roughly an hour before the funeral service for Dr. Jerry Buss. They had Gasol, Nash and Kobe available to us. Kobe hadnt spoken out in the days leading up to it. I was fortunate enough within the 100 person scrum, I was fortunate enough to ask him the third question and I had asked him if he had already written what he was going to say at the funeral, which he had not. That was a big piece of information because everyone that morning kind of assumed he had already written what he was going to say but we learned that he was going to be speaking from the heart.
7. Perhaps the only media market comparable to the one here in NY/NJ is the LA/California market…describe what it is like to work in such a competitive and active sports media market.
I would say it is absolutely thrilling. You are on the edge of your seat 24/7/365, you cannot escape it or get away from it. It makes you want to wake up earlier to get on top of it before everybody else. There is always something to cover, there is always somebody saying something. Being in LA, it is the entertainment capital of the world, it is focused and centered around drama.
8. Just based on your experiences in your first few years in the business, what advice would you give a young girl looking to pursue a career in sports broadcasting?
I would say it is an absolute challenge, but an exciting one at that. Nothing ever comes easy to anyone in the city of dreams. Anyone who has ever been successful has had to make sacrifices. I have three major things working against me; the fact that I am a female, my race and my age. With all three of those factors working against me, I do find it rather challenging. I am always the first to work and the last to leave, introduce myself to everyone that I meet, remain quiet in times when people are acting out.
9. If you were hosting a dinner and could invite any three women in sports, who would you choose and why?
Some of the women who are my idols are people who I got to see work alongside my mother and my father, one of them is Robin Roberts. She has gained probably double the popularity that she had in the past five years, starting with her role on Good Morning America. Before that though, when she was just doing sports, I saw what he had to go through. She is such a warrior and a pioneer and a trend setter. The way that she carries herself is unmatched. I admire her and the work that she has done and try to copy her work ethic because not only is she a household name; you'll never hear a negative thing about her.
Another would be Shelley Smith, she is one of my mentors. I love when she is able to come to Los Angeles to hear about her week. Her week is what women in my position dream to eventually have. On a Monday she can be In Dallas covering NBA, next day in New York to cover a series, then have a half a day off before flying to Oregon to cover college sports. The work that she puts out is fantastic. The notes and preparation that she puts out is incredible.
Lastly would be Tina Thompson. She was the first overall pick of the WNBA and she is the all-time leading scorer as well. She is one of the most lovely people you will ever meet. She went to USC as well, graduated, and one of the most successful careers for a woman in all sports. She is super approachable. She has been able to turn her career into a business. Her brand is what I want my brand to be; strong, witty, and caring. Even though I know her, I would still want her at that dinner table.
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I'm on a perpetual quest as a graphic designer to create the best business card possible to stand out….meaning people like it, want to sleep with it under their pillow, and remember me in the morning. Honestly, with all the cards flying around I just want something that won't get thrown out or used as a place to hold chewed up gum.
I've been doing lots of research lately on different materials for cards and along the way I've come across a few unique ones I thought I'd share.
Created by Seattle designer Jeni Mattson, this clever card was designed for Melvin, a self proclaimed "hacker, entrepreneur, and all around mischief maker."
British designer Jamie Wieck capitalized on the ever growing number of graphic designers popping up in the UK with his "another bloomin designer" business card. When dipped in water it grows alfalfa!
To stand out from the competition in Austin, Texas, Organic Chemistry tutor Sean Michael Ragan came up with this plastic card. Chem students can use the "chair" stencil in homework assignments.
Aussie fashion designer Laura Camilleri's beautiful card for clothing line Elkha. I like.
Some unconventional cards….
The only info I have about this card is that it's a peanut. Anyone able to read it?
A clever business card for a chest physician Dr. Pramod V. Niphadkar M.D.
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Gov. Jan Brewer has to decide this week whether to move the state's presidential primary up to Jan. 31 in her bid to give Arizona a greater role in deciding who will be the Republican Party nominee.
But she may just be angling for something even better.
Gubernatorial press aide Matthew Benson said Monday that his boss is still weighing the pros and cons of scrapping the current Feb. 28 date. But he said Brewer recognizes there are definite advantages to being early in the process.
"Gov. Brewer's first priority is to give the voters of Arizona the biggest platform possible with which to influence the presidential nomination this next year,'' he said. "She also wants to make certain that Southwestern issues are heard and dealt with by the presidential candidates.''
And that, Benson said, specifically means immigration policy and border security, two issues on which Brewer herself has gained a national reputation of sorts.
The governor does not need anyone's permission to make the change.
State law does set the presidential preference primary for the fourth Tuesday in February. But it specially gives the governor unilateral power to move it to any date she wants.
The only requirement is that she makes the pronouncement at least 150 days before the new date. And if Brewer wants a Jan. 31 primary, that means before Sunday.
Benson said, though, the governor still might be convinced to choose another date ahead of Feb. 28 -- or even keep the election on that day -- if there is some trade-off for Arizona.
"There are potentially other ways you could give Arizona a large platform in this (presidential selection) process,'' he said.
For example, the Republican National Committee could guarantee that Arizona would be the site of a debate among the contenders if Brewer backs off the Jan. 31 date.
"That would certainly be one way to go about drawing a lot of attention to this state, making sure Southwestern issues are dealt with,'' Benson said. And he acknowledged that RNC officials have been in talks with the administration, though not with Brewer herself.
"The governor is a good negotiator,'' he said.
One thing not in the equation, Benson said, is whether Arizona's role at the national convention will be diminished.
Republican Party rules sharply slash the number of delegates allocated to any state that which jumps ahead of four which have special permission to have early contests: Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.
But Benson said the rules already impose the penalty on any state which jumps into the fray before the "Super Tuesday'' set for the first week in March. Even with a Feb. 28 date, he said, Arizona's delegate strength remains at risk.
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Interesting graphic, the linguistic standard of the State of the Union speeches through history. I'd like to see how British Prime Ministers come out, too. No one uses big words any more. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Reading level of SOTU speech
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Don't mean nuttin... |
It probably means that contemporary presidents use more Anglo-saxon words and the newspaper style of short declarative sentences (like Hemingway, for instance) whereas in earlier centuries, because the study of Latin was a standard part of any educated person's curriculum, presidents used more latinate vocabularies and complex sentence construction. Notice how my vocabulary and sentence types became more latinate (and wordy) in the last half of that sentence--when I referred to previous centuries' practices? Kate : ) |
Sounds bytes! I wish I could read the article, but my the paper won't let me read it without a different browser. Sad, how language has taken a back seat to time, isn't it? I love to listen to Europeans and Asians (the groups with which I interact on a daily basis). They speak so beautifully. They could describe toiletry habits in a way that is enthralling. Why language has gone the way of gentile clothing is beyond my understanding. Language, not the dressing habits. Those, I understand perfectly. Too much is lax these days. heavy sigh. Akin to that is: I can't see that writing in cryptic text language is easier. It is certainly more difficult to read the meaning into what is typed. C U L*8R! cul8r? Yep, that's how my mind reads it. I can skip over typos and never notice them, but leave out too many letters and my mind just locks up. I didn't think I was all that old, but my mind isn't keeping up with the times, so maybe I am! |
You talkin ta ME? |
Isn't the average newspaper written at or around a 6th grade level? I would assume that was done to compensate for those who didn't attend the latter years of schooling at one time. But now that it's mandatory to complete school up to the age of 16, when one would be a Sophomore in High School... at which time one can drop out with the approval and signature of a parent... one would think that larger words would be more easily understood. However, larger words are not conducive to fast texting and other forms of hastily typed technological communication, I say with sarcasm. It's a shame that larger words aren't used more often. Dictionaries seem relegated to history... I would think Kate is correct... most schools don't even offer Latin as an elective anymore, let alone make students take the class as a normal part of education. |
I beg to differ. My son is taking Latin and his school was undefeated in the Certamen a couple of weeks ago. They still teach it and teach it well. Along with several other non-English languages in the scholastically pathetic South. |
I beg to differ. My son is taking Latin and his school was undefeated in the Certamen a couple of weeks ago. One school is not "most schools". I doubt there are ten schools within a 50 mile radius around here offering Latin. |
Try to stay on the original topic Wx. Isn't that what you say? You following me around is getting absolutely creepy. Try to focus on the topic. Really? I didn't know they "aren't teaching Latin any more". Huh? Maybe just in some areas they aren't/are? Or does it have be taught in every area for it to be "taught in schools". How many before it is "taught" or "not taught"? I am just not certain where the line is. If an area as depressed and uneducated as we are has it, then I would wager that it's available many other places. My point, it sounded an awful lot like opinions and not facts. Further, I'd like to know how many people on this board have children in today's schools? Is their opinion not anecdotal? Because it sounded that way. The pendulum is certainly swinging back. In many areas. For instance, my son wears a suit to school every day. It's a public school in the inner city. Why? His choice. I've never once even considered it. Why does he? Because the other kids do too. Why? They don't want to look like thugs in training. Their words. How many people on this board spend time in and around these kids on an ongoing basis? Or do we have to say, "if you don't supply a link, the thought is invalid". It sounded like an opinion and I gave an opposite opinion. You do realize they weren't being any more "factual" than I, don't you? But of course, you would object to me (your focus is creepy!!!). Did you question anyone else (even if just in your mind or give my opinion any credibility) before you harped on me? How about you-do you have kids in school? Did you? Do/did your kids have it available to them? It's not a requirement. It wasn't a requirement when I took it, not that long ago either. It's not gone, it's just that it is not mandated. If that's what anyone means, then say it's not mandatory, not it isn't being taught, because that isn't even true. |
This post was edited by rob333 on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 10:42
Try to stay on the original topic Wx. Isn't that what you say? You following me around is getting absolutely creepy. Try to focus on the topic. I responded to you and your weak anecdotal argument. Your weak anecdotal argument became the topic. That is: the topic diverged to your weak anecdotal argument. So I replied to the new topic, which was a weak anecdotal argument. And here you are continuing with an anecdotal argument. Which is in stark contrast to the correct point jodik made. But thank you ever sooooo much for sharing your atypical experience, which serves to illustrate the validity of the arguments made above that Latin is rarely taught any more in the USA. |
The news commentators/translators/shamans from your favorite ideological news source will tell us what they were alluding to & what they were attempting to obfuscate. or better what it means according to their particular link with gawd! |
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- Posted by hamiltongardener CAN 6a (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 10:59
I don't get it. |
And you continue to stay off topic. How original of you! No, thank you so much for being true to yourself and showing your colors further. Showing your colors, get it? Next post to me will be in red. I would highly suggest you don't tell anyone else to stay on topic or to "asnwer your questions" which you bold and then make red type-Mr Pot calling the Kettle... ever again. Or keep doing it. It's fine we can all see it. My point is quite valid that it is not mandatory for it to be taught. And that is likely what they meant. And it's equally valid that it is still taught. It'd be impossible to have Latin quiz bowls with only one school participating. I'd wager all the schools in Middle Tennessee (that's much farther than a 50 mile radius!) teach it. And if a place as "backwards" as this has it (as poeple are wont to point out), I'd wager that most places have it. Prove to me they don't. Show me your link! see? your languageBecause I tried to find out if it was true, and I can find nothing. I'll go look some more. Just like I did yesterday when I offered to give a balanced point of view outside of mine and Kate's on a previous thread. I'm willing to learn, and even appreciate a different point of view. But I won't assimilate someone else's opinion as my own. |
Finally! I can see the link. I think it is highly interesting that the order of reading level of the Presidents matches, is from modern day to earlier times. That means, that even the Presidents are less educated than before. Wow! |
- Posted by ronalawn82 z9FL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 11:15
momj47, a boss and mentor once told me, "If your workers speak Hindi, you'd better learn some Hindi yourself!" Many years later, I was to learn about 'breaking down a communication in form and content" and 'pitching at the right level' in order to make a communication effective. For example: "Inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination"- Benjamin Disraeli - might today sound something like this: "A big show-off who thinks a lot of himself" There is a story of a learned scientist who delivered a scintillating lecture to a graduating class. Afterwards one student remarked that the "talk went a little above our heads". To which the scientist replied, "I aimed my talk at where I think your heads should be." So is the decline of the reading level of the SOTU a reflection of the speaker? Or listener? |
The assertion was: I would think Kate is correct... most schools don't even offer Latin as an elective anymore, let alone make students take the class as a normal part of education. You wrote: I beg to differ and gave a weak anecdote as refutation. All I did was point out your faulty rhetoric, and now you are busy arm-waving and dissembling to distract away from the flawed argument. Nevertheless, I'd wager that most places have it. Prove to me they don't. Show me your link! [emphasis added] Outstanding! What is your wager? And what is adequate evidence for you? |
So you can't show me your assertion is true? Now that is very weak. OUTSTANDING!!!! lots of emphasis added because it is fun. Am I getting it right now? Am I speaking your language? But good for you, you left off the red. Congrats! You should go celebrate. And that you're staying off topic and not answering my questions, how adroit of you. Do you want me to define adroit? Great arm waving. You're very entertaining. Exceedingly Creepy, but entertaining. |
That means, that even the Presidents are less educated than before. Wow! *chuckle* I hardly think a Rhodes Scholar and a president of the Harvard Law Review means the POTUS less educated than before. Gee Dubya notwithstanding. After that display, pleasepleaseplease name your wager on the Latin question. Please. And hurry. |
So you can't show me your assertion is true? Now that is very weak. You said you'd wager. What is your wager, and what is an acceptable site for verification? |
I can recall when the high school I went to DID offer Latin... I was a Freshman. By the time I became a Sophomore, they had taken Latin off the board as an elective and made our Foreign Languages Department smaller. Budget cuts and disinterest, I would imagine, were the culprits. In our area, most schools do not offer Latin as an elective. Some private schools might... but not the public schools. |
Wx, now I know you haven't read the link. Your answer is very obviously uninformed. Each President does have a decreasing reading level when compared to past Presidents. I would never say they're uneducated in any way. Not even rudely about Presidents for whom I haven't voted. You're seriously offbase or you just didn't slow down enough to actually click on the link and read. Did you read it? Oh wait, I better let my breath out before I pass out. You'll never answer one of my questions. Too bad. You're the one missing out. |
Each President does have a decreasing reading level when compared to past Presidents. That's not what the link said. --------------------------------------------- Rob, you wrote: I'd wager that most places have it. What is your wager? And what serves as adequate evidence? |
It's hard to follow this thread when it's mostly a back and forth between two posters. |
Amen Pidge! The National Junior Classical League is alive and well. Most states had an least one member (Alaska and Idaho had none) for the ones I checked. And most states had several chapters. I am still tryign to find where Latin has become obsolte. I've tried Google Scholar. Google, etc. I can't find anything that says it. I do want to know if Latin has gone bye-bye, but I sure don't see it. JCL is the operation that can be joined for Latin events. It's not a requirement. I assume there schools that teach Latin without joining. But it's what we had in my public school and my son has in public school. It's probably a good place to begin feel around a bit. Sure can't find articles on it! That said, I seriously doubt the reading level of Presidents is solely based on Latin. Wonder what else contributes to the difference in reading levels? |
Here is a link that might be useful: National Junior Classical League chapters
Rob, you wrote: I'd wager that most places have it. What is your wager? And what serves as adequate evidence? |
I think most of the posters missed one of my points. I referred to the Hemingway style of modern times vs the Latinate style of previous centuries. Let me elaborate on two sub-points: I was trying to point out that the modern style is not inferior, but just different--and that there are good reasons why it appeals so strongly to our modern eras. And by the way--Hemingway was a journalist before he became one of the most famous writers of the 20th century--famed especially for his very modern "Hemingway style." 2. From the Middle Ages through the 18th Century (and well into the 19th Century, for that matter), in the English and American traditions, ALL education (for boys that is) was conducted in Latin. You learned Latin and you learned IN Latin. Latin was the language of educated people. Anglo-Saxon English was the everyday language of the commonfolks--who, of course, were never given an education because they had no need to read and write in Latin. Anglo-Saxon in that that snobbish world of class difference and superiority was considered vulgar and low-class. Today's education is NOT conducted in Latin. By older standards, we are educated only in vulgar, lower-class Anglo-Saxon English--that is, if you are a snob and believe in upper class superiority, aristocrats being superior to the masses, those with titles being born naturally better than the average person out there, etc. Clue: America gave up that kind of thinking, recognizing that it was a lot of humbug. During the 19th Century, a slow transition occurred. Our founding fathers (18th Century) all had Latinate educations, but they recognized the need to educate all American citizens and to give them an education they could use put to use to earn a living and contribute meaningful NEW IDEAS to the outmoded old-fashioned notions of class snobbery and useless knowledge. At first America still retained the Latinate education for the upper classes who went to private schools open only to upper-class boys. But as the idea of universal education caught on and girls and the middle and lower classes started eating up this idea of an education, Latin studies (learning Latin AND learning IN Latin) began disappearing. By the 20th Century, you could still probably take a couple classes to learn Latin (Latin 1 and Latin 2), but learning was no longer conducted IN Latin. In fact, if anyone took the Latin 1 and Latin 2 classes, they were probably Catholic (Masses were in Latin back then). Protestants therefore tended to avoid such classes. By World War II, most Latin classes had disappeared from the public schools although it was often still taught in Catholic private schools, but then Mass went English--so Latin fell even more out of favor. So while there are a few schools out there that offer Latin along with other foreign languages, most schools do not offer Latin classes. And they certainly no long teach IN Latin. All of which takes us back to my point #1: Anglo-Saxon is the MODERN form of English; Latin is the old-fashioned language of primarily Catholics and, in certain quarters, those still caught up in misplaced theories about the superior genes of upper class people, especially if they have titles (called snobbery by vulgar Anglo-Saxons). And now my overall point: The Hemingway Style, well done, is a breathe of fresh air. It's solid and concrete--something you can get hold of and wrestle with. It's "real"--not some airy nothing full of hot air and drifting off into the ether. The Hemingway style is what it means to be MODERN instead of out-of-date. It is the language of modern poetry and other great stylists of the 20th Century. Misused, of course, it sounds like someone reading the telephone book. Actually, it's like left and right hands. You may prefer using your right hand (or whichever), but it sure is nice to have that other hand around for when it is needed, isn't it. Or compare it to an 17th century sonata and a contemporary piece of hot jazz. Very different sounds, but both wonderful in their own distinctly separate ways. But I suspect most audiences today would prefer the MODERN type of music and would not consider it an inferior musical form--just a DIFFERENT form. In other words, I question the whole premise of the article on State of the Union speeches. Kate P.S. The poster who thinks I just post passing opinions that don't mean anything--do you still think I have no idea what I'm talking about? |
I don't have time to read this whole thread, but I had Latin for two years, my kids were not offered it ,but my grandson is, although he is taking four years of French, so he can go to France next year with the class. He just returned from an AP French class trip to Quebec . We may be getting dumber as a country, but his 9th grade AP classes are harder than my college ones. |
Dublin, I enjoyed reading your post. I questioned the premise too, and you explain why very well. Especially because presidents like Obama and Clinton, and even GWB are very well educated! |
- Posted by ronalawn82 z9FL (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 13:11
momj47, latin is not all it's cracked up to be. I obtained a GCE certificate in the subject and the only practical use for me is that it helps with binomial nomenclature - the scientific classification and naming of plants. Whenever I go to Miami, I wish that I had taken Spanish instead of Latin. But that was not an option in the so-called classical curriculum in which I was enrolled. But I am very appreciative of the fine education which I obtained as a subject of the British, in one of its colonies. |
- Posted by sleeplessinftwayne z4-5 IND (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 13:13
There was and is a good reason for Latin to be taught in our schools even if standards are falling in many areas. Latin was the basis for many of our modern languages until technical(mechanical and electronic) language started to become the standard. It is still essential in the sciences. Since this site is based on the science of botany I suggest that it is still taught somewhere or we would have a heck of a time identifying very specific plants. The same is true in other forms of science. The need for Latin still exists if you choose to succeed in the sciences and it is still a good foundation for the study of many languages. I have seen several recent Collage and University catalogs that offer remedial courses in Latin as well as advanced courses. One advantage of Latin is that it stays the same over time. What you read 50 years ago means the same thing as it does today rather than drifting the way our modern languages drift. When I was in High School two years of Latin, French or Spanish were necessary if you wanted to go to College. I hear that is not a requirement anymore. It must be frustrating to those who go into the sciences. |
Very interesting post, Kate... thanks! I find it sort of ambiguous to take college degrees or college attended to mean that person is automatically educated. I've known people with more than one degree that obviously earned them by the skin of their teeth and didn't retain much of it, and others without college educations that were extremely intellectual and well educated. Just because a person holds a college degree is no reason to assume they are well educated or knowledgeable. I never attended college, and I know I write at least at a college level, when I try. A message board doesn't count, of course... as the idea is to get a point across so everyone can understand. I would not say that our Presidents are getting dumber... as Kate shows, they're more than likely educated in a more modern fashion, as opposed to the old fashioned Latinate style. Consider who they have to speak to in their speeches. We are a nation of both educated and UN-educated people. A President has to reach all the people with his words... much in the same way a newspaper has to reach as many readers as possible. What I see lacking in today's population is more the ability to use common sense, to problem solve, to think critically or outside the box... |
"The news commentators/translators/shamans from your favorite ideological news source will tell us what they were alluding to & what they were attempting to obfuscate. or better what it means according to their particular link with gawd!" mmmm, wouldn't they be interpreters as opposed to translators? |
It certainly would have an effect that in the past the address was meant for and presented to congress while today it has become a presentation to the nation-that would account for a simplification. There is also the issue of who writes the thing-do presidents usually write their own speeches any more? I will agree that people are becoming less educated and as a case in point I am going to use this opportunity for a desperate plea for the word incredulous which for some strange and toxic reason has started to be used in the place of incredible. It hurts my heart to see this and I wish people would stop it. |
Actually, Sleepless that my son wants to be in the world of science is why he takes Latin. I just thought it'd be a good basis for all understanding of languages. Which it is. I can decipher many languages I read because of it, French, Spanish, Italian, German... If it gets too detailed, I just find someone in the adjoining office who is French Canadian, Italian, or German. Rudimentary is enough to get by. I wish my son's school taught Greek. That could also really help in the research world. They still require 2 years of a foreign language here before allowing one to graduate high school. So maybe it's not too bad,hopefully. For the record, I think many of us, some more than others, give quite an educated opinion. I mean it like one would consider analyzing the outcomes of experiments. Usually there are several factors and we each have to personally decide what is noise, what is a concommitant factor, and what is merely fact. You are in the group of well spoken Kate, even when we disagree. Matter of fact, most people here voice opinions in the way that is well established. Love to see it! and I am absolutely willing to learn. Thank you for giving your thoughts. Jodik, that's kind of what I was asking--since you're more intuitive about these sorts of things--I wonder how you think they could've analyzed it differently. This part: |
Rob, you wrote: I'd wager that most places have it. What is your wager? And what serves as adequate evidence? |
You might want to give it up Wx; most folks probably understand that Rob's comment was a common expression (although, one that is a pet peeve of mine) rather than a real desire to wager |
The study tracks the reading level given to each speech... but the article is titled to make us think that our Presidents are getting dumber, or our population is getting dumber. At least, that's the first thing that comes to mind. It would be more interesting, I think, to see how language and writing style has changed over the decades, from a more old fashioned Latinate style to a more modern style reflecting how things do change, and perhaps how long these changes take, and what specifically changes... and to have the article titled to accurately reflect what the study is about. My personal opinion is... I think a lot of studies done are dumb and a waste of money and time for people who call themselves professionals. Our planet has many, much more pressing matters that need study and solutions, |
Thanks Jodi! More pressing matters-you can say that again. I think if I were to look at past behaviors, I'd certainly be broader than one speech. I realize that'd be easier with FDR and Reagan than for Monroe and Coolidge, but I think it could still be effective enough. You're likely right about the audience being a weightier factor than the speech. And too, the ways in which we hear the speech, the types of media, have changed so much, the audience is so much more vast than ever before. So yes, they likely tailor what they say to include everyone. I see the graph much more differently now, more encompassing. |
You might want to give it up Wx; most folks probably understand that Rob's comment was a common expression (although, one that is a pet peeve of mine) rather than a real desire to wager Right. The obvious little games and especially So you can't show me your assertion is true? Now that is very weak. make it worth pointing out that he can't back his claim and is making up stuff because of it. Lots of down time today so looking for fun in wagering! |
I think they have to tailor speeches thus, to reach and connect with as many voters as possible, knowing that many of them won't understand a speech written above heads, so to speak. Looking back, there was a time when only the rich and educated could vote, so those speeches would be tailored toward that end. |
Now that makes total sense. Thank you for taking the time. It doesn't matter to me if you've been to university or not (an assertion you made earlier), you're smarter than most everyone, both here and in the non-cyber world. |
This post was edited by rob333 on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 15:31
So, Rob, you are backing off your claim that most places have it, is that what we take away from this latest little lashing out behavior? |
Jodi, we are also in the age of soundbyte media and 30-second commercials. |
- Posted by citywoman2012 none (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 15:45
I wonder what any language will look like or sound like in say 10 years. After texting and tweeting and abreviations and less one on one of personal communicating will people grunt at each other or just point to your phone for you to read a text. I think this might be another dumbing down in languages. |
"It certainly would have an effect that in the past the address was meant for and presented to congress while today it has become a presentation to the nation-that would account for a simplification." That is what I was thinking Patriciae, so I looked at James Madison's Address in 1815 that has the record of 25.3. He begins his address with: "Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and House of Representatives:" These days, the president opens with "My fellow Americans", or something similar. Maybe part of the difference can be explained by who the president is addressing. It would make sense to dumb it down when you are addressing all Americans, not just Congress. |
Here is a link that might be useful: 1815 S of the U
Our high school currently does not teach Latin; however it seems to be regaining popularity. Link below. @WX: "...you're smarter than most everyone, both here and in the non-cyber world." Sure she is; just ask her ;D |
Here is a link that might be useful: Latin Returns from the Dead
"I'd wager all the schools in Middle Tennessee (that's much farther than a 50 mile radius!) teach it" I would pretty much guarantee that statement is not true. The large schools may, but the small schools would not. |
Thanks very much for the nice compliment, Robin... it's greatly appreciated. :-) "Jodi, we are also in the age of soundbyte media and 30-second commercials." Well, you can either be drawn in by it, or see it for what it is. Media is one of our greatest enemies today, in a manner of speaking... and in my opinion. And while fast, global communication is a great boon to society, we have to realize who controls it corporately speaking, and use it to our own best advantage. |
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momj47, one poster laments the indiscriminate use of 'incredulous' for 'incredible'. I flinch at the mental image of "the book is laying on the table". I have given up on " the principle was walking the school grounds". "The relative pronoun refers to the antecedent nearest to it", is a rule of grammar that is ignored by even radio and TV broadcasters. It is ironic that they (especially the BBC) were the standard bearers of grammar and style when I went to school. Who won the gold medal in this example? The sprinter is the son of my sister who won the gold medal. |
interesting..i just pulled up our local hs and they do offer 4 languages...french, spanish, japanese, and german(?) |
Yeah,in the midwest, Spanish, French, & Germain have always been pretty standard. Japanese surprises me. My Chicago HS offered Spanish, French, German, Latin, Russian, Chinese, Polish, and there might have been something else. Chicago public schools used to be very good schools. (sigh) When I worked for the D.A. here, the witness statements from juveniles were amazing. These kids couldn't put together simple sentences, and forget about spelling. Their first (and only) language, English, was enough of a challenge. I don't know if the problem is the teachers or the parents. |
Latin seems to be fairly standard here Frank, but who cares anymore? This is missing the point and belaboring the problem with this thread. Kate has already explained that wasn't what she meant. I would like to point out, that I thought about this last night. And what I decided was, it's also very likely (this is an opinion!!! based on an observation from when I was looking into working for the FBI years ago (remember my schooling is law/CJA)): languages being taught are likely the ones being used in real world applications. For example, one is more marketable (all anyone wants from school these days. Too bad! there is so much more that can be learned) if they can speak Mandarain or Farsi, not Latin. I would not be the least bit surprised if we didn't start seeing Farsi take a huge leap in numbers of schools teaching it. From their website: "The following is a list of language skills that are currently deemed critical by the FBI: Arabic, Chinese - all dialects, Farsi, Hebrew, Hindi, Japanese, Korean, Pashtu, Punjabi, Russian, Spanish, Urdu, and Vietnamese." |
Here is a link that might be useful: FBI-foreign languages proficiency
If we are just talking about learning a foreign language, there are still a number of college majors that require or highly recommend a couple years of one, sometimes even 2 foreign languages. Anyone getting a degree in "global" whatever (a number of choices nowadays) is at least strongly urged to also take a foreign language, and in places like Texas ( and other states with large numbers of hispanic residents), knowledge of Spanish will give you a definite edge over anyone else applying for that job, and it might even be required in some cases. Elvis is right--midwest still retains a preference for German (and French in some cases), but Spanish would often be an additional choice nowadays. On the whole, however, I think it is safe to say that the study of any foreign language is not very popular in the U.S. Being rather self-centered nationally, we'd prefer everybody else learn English and save us the bother of having to learn their languages. Too bad--there are some excellent job opportunities out there for someone who also has some foreign language skills. For the record, I had to take 2 years of French and German as part of my studies, but I don't remember much anymore--been too long since I used either. But I don't regret having studied them since the study of any foreign language helps one understand the grammar and structure of one's native language better (sometimes by contrast), plus is often very helpful in building up one's vocabulary. Plus one tends not to have the famous U.S.ian bias against learning anyone else's language that too many Americans exhibit. Kate |
"...languages being taught are likely the ones being used in real world applications." To my knowledge, this is not true of most foreign languages taught at the high school level. I couldn't say whether this was true of college level foreign language, though. It seems that most foreign language is taught in the "formal" sense, and isn't quite what most people would speak "on the street", or with regard to slang or relaxed speech. I clearly recall, when I was taking Spanish in high school, our teacher informing us that what we were learning was formal Spanish, and in conversing with friends who spoke Spanish as a first language, that's what they said, as well. My son took Spanish classes through high school and all the way through college, knowing that his chosen profession would require it, or certainly benefit from the knowledge, and he said much the same thing... there's some adjustment from classroom to reality. It follows that most languages taught would be similar in fashion... more formal in the classroom. Today, I don't remember much of the two foreign languages I learned... I didn't study either for very long. Rosetta Stone is supposedly a rather quick way to learn any language one might need... even Latin, I believe. |
"'formal' sense, and isn't quite what most people would speak 'on the street', or with regard to slang or relaxed speech." Amen sista! If you really want to know how to speak it, immersion is absolutely bar-none the best. I remember Latin well enough, but the French? Only when I read it. Hearing it is a whole nuther story. Ex lived in Germany. To the point of there were colloquialisms he knew in German quite well, but couldn't translate into English for me. Remember any of it now? Not on his life. What is really easy for me? If person I know (whose name shall not be uttered here), starts speaking Czech, run for my life! They're mad. |
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Rob FYI The Latin used in Science is not real Latin and it is specific to the field-naming in Zoology and Botany follow different rules. Knowing Latin roots will be helpful but the grammer and sentence structure will be useless. There are classes called Nomenclature that teach naming. Greek would be no use at all since the few Greek based names are easily learned...not to discourage taking Latin or Greek. I am sure it is good discipline for the mind. German used to be required in the old days because so much research was done in German but that was a very long time ago. |
I don't know if it's as true in other countries, but it seems to me that America is all about commercial success. Hence, schools here teach Japanese, Mandarin, Russian, etc. along with the Romance Languages. (German...not so much. Strange.) All of the 'euro' countries are fluent in American English. (The 'call center' nations are still learning it -- from us.) My DH rants that his J-school is now less about reporting and writing and is focused on Marketing. English is a 'second language' for the nanny-raised American children in my town! Ronalawn -- Does anyone diagram sentences today? My current *ouch* is seeing 'who' displaced by 'that'. Are people now no different from animals and inanimate objects? |
I've actually used Latin way more in legal areas than I have in medicine, which is where my feet are now, my science, but it still helps in medicine. But I dabble in this and that and the more languages I learn the smaller bits of, the more I see the commonality of them--Latin. Not in the strict sense. A very loose sense. I agree it's good to know Latin for the roots. I easily know what disease or body process about which one is speaking without having to ask. It's surely helped a lot! |
As a freshman in college, I learned the Latin roots, prefixes, and suffixes in Freshman Composition. It was part of a two-week unit we were tested on. I agree it is helpful to know them, but one doesn't need to take 2 years of Latin as a foreign language to learn them--especially since the study of any living romance language (Spanish or French, for instance) will reinforce the knowledge of Latinate roots, prefixes, and suffixes since they are all part of the same family tree (going back to Latin). But in our modern world with global centers and powers shifting in new directions, I think there would be a good argument in favor of all college students being required to study Chinese for 2 years plus another language of choice from a different linguistic family (probably Spanish for Americans) also. Usually some kind of cultural studies go along with language study, so learning something about an eastern culture (Chinese) and about a western culture (Spain) would be a good idea also. Just my opinion. Kate |
Mom, thanks for introducing this subject. For the most part it turned into a very interesting thread with great input by those participating in the discussion. |
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momj47, the scientific names of plants (I am not sure about the animals) are derived from Latin and Greek. For example the arikury palm Syagrus (The most credited supposition is that it comes from the name "Syagrus", given by Pliny the Elder to a variety of date palm). schizophylla ( from Greek schizo = split, and phyllon = leaf with divided leaves.) Regardless of the origin, the endings are latinized. As far as I understand it, Latin is used because it is a "dead" language - it is no longer "evolving". So what was 'Syagrus' in Pliny's time is the same today. |
As far as I understand it, Latin is used because it is a "dead" language - it is no longer "evolving". At the time of Linna's (Latin: Linnaeus) introduction of his nomenclature system, Latin was still the language of scholarship. I suppose we could change it now away from a dead language... |
Kate: " I think there would be a good argument in favor of all college students being required to study Chinese for 2 years plus another language of choice from a different linguistic family (probably Spanish for Americans) also" I agree, Kate. My 4 years high school & 2 years college ;D |
Yes, I know what you mean. I've run into some people like that (hard on the ears)! LOL Kate |
and slower! Be sure to speak English very loud and s l o w l y, so they can understand you. HA! Yes, those folks are everywhere. My favorite here is when people (I admit it, it's lack of education of any sort-real world or otherwise) tell me someone speaks "Mexican". It always makes me smile. I'm sure we do speak "American" much more than English. |
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