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How long does buprenorphine withdrawal last?
Buprenorphine can be a useful drug prescribed to treat opiate addiction. Because it is a partial agonist, buprenorphine (used in brand name medications such as Suboxone and Subutex) results in a milder degree of physical dependence and is associated with milder withdrawal syndrome following cessation. But what kind of timeline can you expect during buprenorphine withdrawal? And do people taking buprenorphine for opioid dependence experience less severe withdrawal than those who abuse buprenorphine to get high?
More here on how long it takes to withdraw from buprenorphine and what symptoms you can expect in the course of the first month after you stop taking it. Then, we invite your questions about buprenorphine withdrawal at the end.
How long until buprenorphine withdrawal starts?
What does buprenorphine withdrawal feel like? Basically, it feels like a really bad flu. Buprenorphine withdrawal can start in the hours or days after you take your last dose.
Generally, it is recommended that you gradually reduce your doses of buprenorphine over the period of 2-3 weeks before complete cessation so that the withdrawal symptoms are not as severe. Although the physical withdrawal symptoms resolve after a period of 7-10 days, the psychological withdrawal symptoms can last for months or longer. Symptoms of benprenorphine withdrawal include leg restlessness, nausea, and sweating, yawning, pain, anxiety, irritability, insomnia and cold or flu-like symptoms.
Buprenorphine withdrawal timeline
24 – 72 hours: Buprenorphine withdrawal will usually peak in severity and intensity 72 hours after your last dose and gradually become less intense. During this period, it is common to experience diarrhea, sweating, nausea, dilated pupils, watery eyes and restlessness.
Week 1: In the first week after stopping buprenorphine, week you will probably continue to to feel aches and cramps within the stomach area and in your joints. You may be uncomfortable during this time period and have difficulty sleeping. Mood swings are also common, with bouts of anxiety or depression.
Week 2: After two weeks of buprenoprhine withdrawal, the pain and discomfort of acute withdrawal may not be as severe but you still experience aches. Depression can starts to set in, as well, and you may notice an extreme loss of motivation.
Week 3-4: After three to four week mark, most of the physical withdrawal symptoms will be gone, however you will intense drug cravings may be present for those addicted to buprenorphine. Depression is also common. This time is very important, as you will be very vulnerable to relapse.
How long do buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms last?
Buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms last longer for those who use buprenorphine for longer periods of time or at higher doses. Additionally, those who use buprenorphine other than prescribed (snort, inject, chew) may experience more severe symptoms than someone taking buprenorphine as prescribed. In these cases, physical buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms can last weeks after stopping.
However, psychological withdrawal symptoms can last for many months after cessation. It is recommended that you join a support group or see a psychologist who can help see you through the protracted or post acute withdrawal symptoms (PAWS). Many heavy buprenorphine users experience PAWS. With continued use of buprenorphine, there comes a point where the brain produces in an inadequate amount of neurotransmitters in the body. People going through buprenorphine PAWS manifest long lasting changes in the brain as a result of long term use. These changes are slower to reverse and can persist for many months, depending on the frequency and amount of past dosing.
Buprenorphine withdrawal: How long?
How long buprenorphine withdrawal lasts varies depending on how frequently you used the drug and how large the doses were. If you were a heavy user, burprenorphine withdrawal may be more intense and last longer than someone using buprenorphine for a few months. It is also crucial that your family understands your situation so that they know why you are acting the way you do and can better handle it.
Buprenorphine withdrawal duration questions
If you have further questions about how long burprenorphine withdrawal lasts, please ask them in the comments section below. We will try to respond to you personally and promptly.
Reference Sources: NCBI: Buprenorphine withdrawal
FDA: Suboxone medication guide
NIDA: Methadone Research Web Guide: Part B
National Drug Intelligence Center: Buprenorphine: Potential for Abuse
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I have been clean from buprenorphine for a little over a week. I have been using 2mg a day for the past 6-8 months. how long can I expect to feel "panicked" throughout the day due to my sobriety? and when can I expect my motivation to start coming back? I dont seem to have any right now.
Im 4 weeks off subutex now and am still hurting, sneezing watery eyes, i can cope with this but i have no strength or energy, i have tried my detox worker who has said its all in my mind, can anyone give me some realistic advise please
Hello Simon. There is a condition called PAWS, or post-acute withdrawal symptoms. However, I'm not sure that the symptoms you describe may be related to protracted buprenorphine withdrawal. I'd suggest that you consult with a physician for a general exam and assessment.
How long and how server will symptoms last from been on subutex 12months but 4mg for last month could u please help as important thinking of just stopping and doing my own detox over using nothing thank
Hello Alan. Onset of withdrawal from buprenorphine usually occurs 48 hours after the last dose, peaks around the third day and lasts for up to ten days. Cases of withdrawal from buprenorphine are similar to morpliine type drugs and generally moderate in intensity. You can check out a few case studies to glean what you can here:
But you can also benefit from seeking counsel with your prescribing physician and/or asking about best practices in buprenorphine withdrawal from detox clinics around you, or at a local pharmacy. The more information, the better!
I have been off subutex for about 3 months now.I have had little to no energy since I stopped taking it. What is the normal ranges when I should get my energy back?
Hello Drew. Low energy levels and fatigue are common subutex withdrawal symptoms. The longer you have been using subutex, the more your body and mind are used to the drug. The duration of the withdrawal also depends on the quantities of the drug you were taking. And, of course, there are the individual characteristics like body mass, metabolism, age, hydration etc. that influence how long the symptoms will last.
I've taken 16mg of subitex over the space of ten days.. I do a hard labour job as a Hodd carrier and need to stop taking this stuff ASAP. It's Friday so have the weekend to hopefully recover.. Is this enough??
I am at day 23 off of buprenorphine starting at 16 mg, reduced to 4mg for the last 24 months. I don't ever remember having this much aches and pains, slowly not as severe but definitely still enough that I can't ignore it. How long does the lack of energy and body aches usually last?? I am 34, good health, BMI 16%. Female.
The answer to my prayers to subutex withdrawal is GABAPENTIN it is a non habit forming(non benzo) anxiety medication that is also used for nerve pain(which is why it helped my restless leg syndrome) as well as seizures. It really helped with ALL symptoms including energy! Ask your physician about this medication, it has been a miracle for me. I am day 6 off buprenorphine, 4mg for two freaking years.
I've been on methodone for three years. I usrd fourteen strips of suboxen in a 3 week period and taperd off. Its been 4 fays since my last1/5 piece of suboxen and I feel like I'm dying. I really think the suboxen just prologed my methodone withdrawal. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Craig. Quitting Subutex cold turkey isn't recommenden by doctors. Ideally, you'd want to taper off gradually. Withdrawal symptoms from Subutex are not pleasant at all and they'll probably persist for longer than a weekend. The severity and duration depend on hoe long you were using Subutex, the dosage you are comming off of, your metabolism, bodily mass, health status etc. It's safest to see a doctor and come up with a tapering schedule.
Hi Sara. The bodily aches and pains should gradually lessen as you make it further through withdrawal. It's one of the most common withdrawal symptoms which occcur as your body is working towards returning to physical and mental homeostasis. The fatigue you're experiencing is a result of your body relying on the drug to give you energy throughout the day. Eventually the fatigue will subside and your energy levels will return to normal. Keep in mind that this may take an extended period of time.
Hello all okay i was on oxy 80s n Roxie 30s for 6 yrs and then myself i switched to suboxone myself then when i couldn't find those i would get the subutex! Now when i took suboxone i could make 1 8mg strip last me ten days and pretty much the same with the subutex tab! Now i have clonidine .1mg but i went through 2 days of the stomach issues that seems to have subsided now i have the restlessness n crawling skin i need some advice on how long this crawling skin crap last i was on a small dose but for almost a year plz help thanks xoxo
Hello Christi. Symptoms of restlessness and crawling skin tend to peak about 72 hours into a detox and resolve within 7-10 days after last dose. Have you consulted with a supervising physician?
Please help me! I have to come off of them I've been taking suboxone 24 MG a day for 5 years! How long will the intense physical withdrawals last and am I just starting it over by taking lortab. It's not taking the withdrawals away completely. Will it eventually??? I have to have back surgery next week and don't wanna have pain from surgery AND withdrawals. I need help and have NO support
Hi Cassie. Unfortunately, when withdrawing from a substance after taking it long-term, the symptoms are an inevitable part of the process. Taking other medications can help make the withdrawal symptoms less intense and more manageable. However, it cannot take them away completely. Talk to a doctor or a pharmacist to see what you can do about it.
I am 51 years old active man who has had some severe injuries in his life. Being a lifelong firefighter has not helped as I have been hospitalized twice from my job. Getting to the point, I have seen specialist in Houston and Atlanta about my pain. Multiple MRI's have shown degenerative lower back disease from compression (falls) and arthritis throughout my joints. I was legally prescribed 10 mg percs. and I finally sought help and started the buprenorphine treatment. The only way to stop is gradual and you need a partner to help you who will not give in. Start eating right and treating your body right by working out and staying active more than ever before. Cut your dosage down over at least 3 months and then to every other day, to every third day. You must remain strict ! Weed and Xanax may help but I get drug tested randomly so that is not an option. Above all, seek The Lord, stay in His word, pray without ceasing. You can do anything when He has your back !
I have been using opiates for 21 years. For at least 6 years, probably longer, I started injecting 100MU of Fentanyl/day. I had perfected the cooking method, and could get as many as 16 great shots per 100MU film. Unfortunately it was almost impossible to find that much Fentanyl on the market as the drug became more popular and the prices quadrupled in a very short time. Replacing Fentanyl with Methadone proved to be impossible – I had to get 180mg of methadone/day to get to work – which I have kept throughout my using career. Indeed, I started using at work – in the harm reduction field, which was quite new at the time and its boundaries quite unclear.
Anyway, about two years ago I went through 2 weeks of withdrawal to move to Suboxone. It was pure hell. Every time I would take a 4mg pill, I would go through precipitated withdrawal – and I took one every 4 hours, going through hell until one day I woke up feeling hungry. I needed 48mg/day of Suboxone to do so – half the highest recommended dose in Ontario, where I live. I had bought a huge supply from friends in the US and was getting the rest from my doctor. He wouldn't prescribe more than 32mg/day on condition that I taper to 24 in a few months.
When my Suboxone pills started to deplete, I decided to go through another full on withdrawal. Fifteen days later I had to give it up – I was good on 4mg/day though.
About a year later, that 4mg rose to 18mg/day – I've gone through so many withdrawals, I can tell when I need more suboxone when the wind rubs one of my hair follicles the wrong way.
Today is the 20th day of my withdrawal, and it seems it's getting worse, not better. I can't keep food in and I'm always dehydrated, no matter how much I drink. Some of my friends thought I had got a stomach bug because bupe withdrawal is not supposed to last that long. I went to hospital – I have no bugs in me. Does anyone has any idea how much longer this may last? Please no remarks about why I'm doing this way. Even though I recommend tapering to our service users, for me tapering has never worked. Also, I've been working towards this in my own way during the past two years.
I have been off subutex for just over 3months and have last watery mouth with bad taste, RLS has gone thank god. Wondering when back to normal completley. When I detowed from Meth it only took 3weeks intense yeh but nothing as ad as subutex long suffering drug never take anything ever again. Am told 6months before body back to normal can't wait hurry up.
Raffi ii came off subutex 2months ago and I am still waking up at 4am or going to Sleep at 4am for 2hours to 4hours my skin is crawling quite badly and have watery mouth this is taking longer than I was told by doctor. Am hoping another week who knows I haven't a clue how king this last but I pray it's not much linger maybe someone can help me.
Iv been sniffing roughly 1ml a day for a couple days then avin a couple days off like that for about 4 month… Wat are my withdrawals gunna be like? iv decided to stop now and not had none for 3 days
I was on 3 8mg Subutex for about ten months. Got cut off by my doc because the DEA was up his ass about having like a dozen more patients than the allowed 100. Anyway, I feel fine physically. Took my last quarter (2mg, if that) about 4 days ago. Note that, although I was Prescribed 3 a day, I only ever took anywhere from a half to one and a half per day. My only issues – as of right now – are not being able to fall asleep, Zero motivation, and obsessive thoughts, like my mind is telling me I need tex, even though my body doesn't. I've been up the last two nights, then took some sedating meds (prescribed 2mg Klonipin, Somas – very strong muscle relaxer, and Unisom), and Finally got in about a 5hr nap last evening. I don't want to be dependent on anything again. I've been to rehab over a dozen times, and detox almost 20 times. I always relapsed, so I got on Methadone, and was on 75mg/day for almost 3yrs. Now THAT detox was F*¢king awful. And after a month off Methadone, I got put on Subutex. I just can't wait to be symptom free, mentally and emotionally. No real physical stuff going on except inability to sleep. Everything else is in my head. I've had post-acute withdrawal symptoms several times before and it seems recouping from getting off tex may end up being worse than the PAWS I experienced before. I'm just hoping I'll be able to sleep again soon, stop being a filthy hobo who doesn't even have enough motivation to do laundry or shower everyday. I'm being very antisocial and irritable and paranoid. And still mentally craving Something to take (preferably tex) but I know I'm this far into it, I don't wanna go back to square one. It's hard, and it sucks, but it's worth it in the long run, for sure.
I have been on subutex twice (1′st time for 4 years / was on 16mg at peak but gradually reduced & came off under supervision) After coming off subutex for the 1′st time I was clean & gained full time employment for a period of 6months (clean & off all substances while I was working) I lost my job due to market conditions & I then found it easy to slip back in to old habits & started abusing heroin (injecting again after my employment ended). After using heroin for the second time for a period of approx 2months I got the courage & went back in to treatment & was put on a dose of 12mg of subutex after titration for witch I was taking up until 2/9/14 (last time I took Subutex dose on 02/09/14) While on subutex / Buprenorphine for this second time I again stopped using heroin & was handing in clean drug samples. However during my / this most recent stint & 2′nd time of treatment & not to detract from my overall query I was treat shoddily & put in a basket of bad eggs so to speak & on the 2/9/14 I fell out with the treatment service & my key worker & can't face going back into treatment for a third time (I would elaberate more on the breakdown in confidence & trust I suffered as a patient while in treatment & on subutex for the second time if needs be but as said I don't want to detract to much in regards to my query / this message). Basically I want to know withit being 9 (going on 10) days since I suddenly stopped taking subutex now, at a dose of 12mg of Buprenorphine I have suffered stomach cramps sleeplessness felling as though I want to stretch & yawn a lot aswel as frequent lose bowel movements & regular trips to the toilet & severve tempreraure fluctuations- if these symptoms will subside & though I've felt a bit better today (11/09/14) if I am out of the woods & if it is possible for me to continue to persevere & will my (the above) withdrawal symptoms will subside even further. As for my mood despite the horrible withdrawals symptoms I've faced so far, my mood has been happy & not depressed (though I am on 30mg of Mirtazpine antidepressant & have been since my employment ended with NISSAN Motor Manufacturing working on a production line within a factory a car factory / So I've been on this dose of Mirtazipine for around 4/5 months now) I don't feel able to go back in to treatment I don't have access to the bad people I originally knew & brought heroin from & I am & have been clean other than my 12mg of Buprenorohine & 30mg of Mirtazipine (I still take the Mirtazipine) for a period of almost 4/5 months approx now. Am I right & is it feasible to continue not taking my subutex or am I setting self up to fail or taking dangerous risks with my health? I don't want to be a burden on the UK NHS & be involved in treatment especially as it costs so much yet I don't want to just suddenly keel over 1 day down the line / soon & I don't want to be addicted to anything rather be & stay abstenant of all illicit & ilegal drugs & not gave to depend in treatment services. Please (I'd be appreciative & very grateful on any advice or opinions you may have regarding my situation / this message. Thank You & I hope you can get back to me?
Hello Christopher. First, know that relapse is common for heroin users. It is not shameful, it is simply a part of your process of getting clean. So, the guilt is unnecessary.
Second, the symptoms of buprenorphine withdrawal vary by individual, dosing history, frequency, etc. You might want to check in with a pharmacist about this, but I'd suggest that you persist in seeking treatment. Buprenorphine is given for at least 6 months in ADDITION to psychotherapy for former heroin addicts as a BASE TREATMENT. You don't need to suffer alone, and the opiate substitution therapy can persist for months or even years after you stop using heroin.
Go gentle on yourself, friend. You're doing a good job. Seek help, and you'll get it. Also. have you looked into going to NA meetings?
I want to know if there are other patients on the Subutex for years like my boyfriend. He's been on it for at least 7 years and says it's due to chronic pain, but I think it's more addiction related. Is there some responsibility of the prescribing physician? Could he really keep rx this year after year?
Hello Amanda. Buprenorphine can be prescribed and used for pain relief; it is more commonly used in opiate substitution therapy.
Hi I've been using heroin for nearly 18 years and during that time I've started and completed cold turkey from heroin, methodone, and subutex, methodone is evil and should be banned, but I've found the easiest way to get clean is using subutex, the best way is to taper down at your own spead, comfortably until your down to 0.2, once your at 0.2 and you feel great on that dose, I.e it's holding you, then just stop, the pain isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as heroin withdrawels , everybody's different I.e pain tolerance , if you've gone through cold turkey then this way is a walk in the park , flu symptoms for a couple of weeks, get on antidepressants to help you, I'm sorry but people who tell these horror story's are just newbies to withdrawels, and don't know what the real bad boys are lol, if you want your life back, you can go a few days with no sleep. And if you end up getting only a few hours sleep that's amazing and shows your nearly there, good luck from a professional rattler lol
I just wanted to put an idea out there for people withdrawing from subs. I've been a heavy user for four years and have tried quitting twice before now without success. I'm one week off of subutex and what I'm doing for the withdrawal is taking two oc's 20mg a day to help fight the withdrawal and seems to be working pretty well just to get through the first week or two and then stopping those before my body gets used to them. My logic is to play a trick on your body by changing to something similar but will still let you withdrawl. Hope this helps
imon 6th day of withdrawal, ibut 7 stone on in 2yrs through depreeion and rarely left sofa, im so weak and zero energy evenvgoing to loo iscas struggle andits a flat any advice xxx
I am Trying to Taper off of 8mg of Subutex, I am Also Trying to Deal with Anxiety and Depression , I have been on Subutex for 14 Months , After 8 Years of Prescription Pain Meds , Morphine 180mg a Day and Hydomorphone 12mg a Day , I Also Have been on Klonopin for over 20 Years , I am 56 YEARS old .. I am on Disability From a Back and Neck injury, And have has Surgery on Both ,
I have been on Subutex for 14 Months , 8mg was my Highest Dose , I am on Klonopin 4mg – I was on 8mg , I was Detoxed in 10 Days to 4 mg , I was also Prescribed 1200mg of Neurontin in the Detox , I tapered that Down to 400mg , I also have been on Remeron 30 mg for About 8 months , Also on Propranolol 120 er and Lisiniprol 20 mg , I never had High Blood Pressure Before , I am Feeling Very Sleepy , But Still have Anxiety issues , I am Trying to come off the Subutex , Tapering to 6mg as of the Last 2 Days , I have been Depressed Also , I Don't know what help I can Get , Because I am on Medicare , I Had Back and Neck Surgery After a Work Related injury , That's when I became Addicted to Pain Medication , Morphine and Diluidid , I want to get off all these Drugs and Start Living Again.. Please Help.
TOTALLY. AGREE WITH KAT. Gabapebtin took my withdraw symptoms to a bearable level. Played football, had 13 surgeries whine whine blah blah. I was given an insane amount of oxycodone and used Subutex and Suboxone to get off the oxy. Its a big waste of time as the withdraw from Subutex/Suboxone is MUCH longer due to the half life. Day 65 felt as bad as day 1 (sorry but its true) I happened upon Gabapebtin abd was willing to try anything. By God it worked. I felt better, not good, but better after 1 dose. I was shocked and thought I was an isolated case but seeing her blog makes me think there may be something to it. Good luck
Hello…. today is October 8th,2014.. and I've been on subutex for about 8 years now. I was taking 8mgs, (3 times daily)….but I have been tapering down the past 6 months. I'm now at 2mgs ( 1 quarter of a whole) "troches"… every 24hours…..the purple gels. I also take 2mg xanax, But they don't have any effect on me anymore cuz I've been taking them approximately 15 years….!!! I'm currently getting ready to stop the bupenorphine…" what should I expect? " How long will I be in withdrawal? (Physically I mean) I wake up very sick each morning…so I'm thinking it's going to be very difficult and painful, from just what I have felt ff
How long does withdrawal symptoms last? I'm now at 2mgs troche (subutex) from 8mgs. I've been tapering down the last 6 months… I just take a quarter of a whole gel,every 24 hrs. I wake up very sick each morning…and it already feels extremely difficult and bad… Btw, I've been on subutex for approximately 8/9 years… I'm currently getting ready to get off them. I also take 2mg xanax…( been on them about 20 yrs),so there not helping me at all. I'm in desperate need of help and support and answers!!!!??? Thankyou Soooooo much!!!
I am titrating off Buprenorphine per my doctors instruction. I have only been on it for 6 months. In doing it this way am I prolonging the withdrawal symptoms? I feel like at times I am having withdrawal symptoms. Is that normal? Would it be better for me to just stop it or the way I am doing it.
I have been on Subutext 8mg for 6 mos. to get off of morphine after 8 yrs. While I was physically dependent on the morphine, I did not abuse it. I am not titrating off of the Subutext per my doctors instructions. I have been taking an occasional Xanax to help with the anxiety feeling and was wondering if that is part of the withdrawal process? Thank you for your input it is appreciated.
Hi Kathy P. Gradually lowering doses can help you taper off Subutex more successfully. It may last longer, but the withdrawal symptoms are more bearable and less intents. So, although the withdrawal may last longer, at least it won't be dangerous and uncomfortable.
Todays day 2 of my withdraw process.. Ive been on subutxt for a little over 2 years now and oxys for 1 year and a half before that.. ive been keeping strong so far but from what Ive read the worst is yet to come… I made sure I got everything id need to get through this, ext: Z-quil, and other sleep aids, restless legs cream and pills AM/& PM, those seem to really work for me so far…. tylonal AM/PM …./// and a tiny piece of xanex at lunch time and bed time….. if theres something else i can get to help with out going to the doctor please lmk…. this is gonna be a tough 2 weeks or so but im totally ready!!! looking for anything that can make this as painless as possible so just lmk
I last took subutex 48hours ago 0.4 mg an 12 hours before I took 0.8mg I have been reducing all year from 4mg I feel a bit unwell but not like people say it's like shell 8 years I been taking them but never more than 8mgs could you let me no when it will be at its worst please thank you
I've noticed as I am lowering the doses that 1. My pain level is higher and 2. That I am more achy then I've been in a long time. It doesn't help that I live in a damp cold climate this time of year. Does anyone know if this a normal progression while tapering off Subutext?
Hi my partner is in prison and he is on subatex which they are reducing every week at the moment he is on 5 point something i would like to no more about this as i want to understand what he will be going though and what i can expect off him so i don't take it to heart as to the way he is being with me Thank You for your time
It's been 5days since I had 1 mg of subutex I feel like carp but not bad I've been coming down over the past few months I can't sleep but someone as said it takes days for iambic to come out an gets bad could anyone let.me no what's to come
This is the truth about buprenorphine withdrawals, be prepared for a 4 week acute withdrawal, as to be expected the first week is absolute agony, and the same goes for the second week, eyes are watering and yawning constantly, expect to experience extreme fatigue, cold sweats, nerve endings have a burning sensation or crawling feeling under your skin, commonly referred to as "the creepy crawls", dialated pupils which result in blurred vision and sensitivity to light, muscle cramps in extremities and back, upset stomach usually nausea or knotted feeling, and diarrhea. Severe insomnia is perhaps the most agonizing of all physical symptoms, with bouts lasting several days at a time without a wink of sleep. Do this for two weeks and you are beside yourself, just wanting an hour of sleep so you don't have to feel the pain of withdrawal. Then on top of the physical symptoms are the psychological symptoms which consists of severe anxiety or panicked feeling, when not feeling panicked you will experience an absolute numb feeling, nothing makes you happy or laugh, nothing makes you sad you are just blah. All the while your going to have to deal with obsessing over your drug of choice to make you feel better, this takes extreme will power and mental toughness to resist that have brought tougher men/women then yourself to thier knees. The next two weeks you will start to feel better and this is huge it means you are over the hump, and all the above symptoms slowly but surely subside getting less and less intense, your energy will be one of the last things that come back, and if you can get out of bed you can start going on walks or short hikes and this may seem daunting but will make your body stronger and metabolism faster therefor allowing your body to get this poison out of you. The proof is in the pudding people, 95% dont and can't muster the strength to get off bupe. So that means only 5% of people who get on bupe ever get off and I think that is a generous number I think it's more 1-2% that get off just like with any other opiate. I know this whole process sounds awful and it is but it is also very achievable and the benefits are insurmountable, post acute can last several months but don't let this scare you it sounds way worse then it is, it usually manifest through stress, but not necessarily so that being said, this does not mean you will feel withdrawals for months you will be feeling amazing after the hell month, your eyes will be clear and bright, your skin will be clear and healthy and you will really notice it in the face, your color comes back and you'll even have Rosie cheeks again, your mental sharpness will come back and get better and better with time, your motor skills and coordination will come back, your muscles and body will become (and you will feel it,) strong. A little advice if your thinking of quitting bupe, don't focus on the whole month, take it a day, an hour or minute at a time, focus on getting through a short period and then once you do, do it again, take it in small "bites" until you get through it. Also seek help, tell family or friends what your going threw so they know what they r dealing with, also seek help clinically through a drug counselor or addiction therapist,(not just any therapist, has to be addiction focused) they can give you good coping skills you can use in real life because believe me you will need it, for many months you will have cravings some intense and you just did all that hard work to get off the shit (so don't go backwards that would be dumb) so you need to be able to deal with triggers and cravings the right way, and remember don't get high no matter what, no matter what it never fixes the stuff your going threw just makes it worse cuz now your dealing with addiction again. Are these withdrawal symptoms true for everyone? Yes with varying degress of symptoms, including severity, and actual symptoms, of corse it matters how long you have been on bupe, not the dose tho, if you r taking 2 mg or 16 mg of bupe for the same amount of time the withdrawals will be about the same, this is not my opinion it's fact, the way the drug is designed to work is once your opiate receptors r used to being on bupe less is actually more, you don't need 32mg a day three months or even one month of being on bupe and actually that much can have adverse side effects with out the benifits you would expect by taking more like with traditional opiates(the more you take the higher you get) not with bupe once your receptors r used to it. Methadone is the only other opiate to my knowledge that is harder to get off of then bupe and believe me I've come off them all. Good luck your gunna need it.
hi i am off the subtext for more than 2 weeks. i have been using subtext for 12 years and i am 58 years old and i have tried to give up for more than 14 times and even i have been to detox centre for twice but every time i relapsed . then i decided to go to another country to give up this horrible drug.
i taped off from 6mg to 400 microgram and after that i stopped , i have had all the symptoms they say you can have but these time i have decided to stop it for ever.
if i can do it and going through all symptoms and far away from England ,with my age and using 12 years i think every one can do it just have a fait for god and yourself and see your gp and good luck for everyone and pray for me to go through this poison .
It's the length of time that makes bupe really hard to get off, I'm from Boston and I was addicted to opiates mainly heroin for ten years and not just heroin before that was oxy 80′s and over the years I've done just about every percription opiate they have,but the fact that I'm from Boston and got my shit from "the man" where this is his profession not just some punk, it's safe to say I get quality product (I'm not bragging just letting you know I have felt the lash of both heroin and bupe) yes heroin comes up and bites you meaning the withdrawal is def more intense, but does not last nearly the length of bupe, so let me ask you this, would you take a sickness for a month or a week of real bad sickness but your starting to really feel better after a week? I'd take the week any day, and I'm not a puss when it comes to withdrawls, seconds feel like hours and days feel like months, I'll take a week of that over a month any day.
Also I forgot to add in the latter stages of withdrawal don't get discouraged when you start to feel better For a day or two and then bam you wake up one day and you feel shitty again, your not gunna all of a sudden be better it comes in waves this your body and brain healing starting to make your bodies natural endorphins that make you feel human, your going to experience mood swings but this is a cake walk compared to the first couple weeks so just be glad your at this point where even if it's fleeting you will have feelings of joy and well being, but just as those good feeling r fleeting they eventually become the norm and the crappy feelings r fleeting and eventually gone.
hi i am in 16 days still got leg ache and mentally i am not feeling good i can bare the physical symptoms but this mental thing is bothering me a lots and since i have decided to go to another country it makes it very difficult far from my family, the reason i have decided to go to another country because i knew all the drugs seller in my town and every time i had decided to stop it one mental thing happened to me i did go back to drugs but here i do not know no one there for i can not get drugs here , can anyone tell me how long is going to take to me at least become a bit normal, mentally i am very bad and i do not do any thing go anywhere even if i want to walk that night is my night mare i mean my leg start hurting me i can not sleep that night and in one empty room just getting more depress plus i miss all my family in England
i am six days off subutex. This is my 2nd time around, I was off for exactly 6 months this year but just could not feel alive. I could not feel any pleasure even after 6 months. Why is this? Can you tell me? I was on it for 1-1/2 years at 4 mg and jumped at 4mg last December. I used high doses of Gabapentin which made the physical withdrawals very easy to take, but not the mental emptiness and despairThis May I started taking small amounts of Sub and it instantly brought me back to life but only for a short time. So now I am getting off again. I am using lower doses of Gabapentin this time and am doing OK but am really frightened by the long road ahead of me. I just hope I don't go through such a long PAWS again. Is there anything that can shorten PAWS?
Thank You
If your looking for an answer on how long withdrawls last with any drug. Your answer is, there isnt one. It all depends. There are too many variables to give a certain all round answer. All you need to know is.. Its probably going to suck. No where close to being like "the flu" for some and like "the flu" for others. Again it all depends. And that it may take a while to get through the withdrawls. But its a life long fight. So my advice would be not to focus on how long or bad but focus on taking it one peice at a time. If your worried about how long itll be and all that you just might be creating alot of whats not realy there. Its a fight thats for sure. And if its what you want… It shouldnt matter how long and ect. Just that you are doing it. So stay strong people. It sucks but in time it will be over.
Thank you Ray,
You're right. Alot of the fight is psychological. When I get distracted by my family and friends I don't think about whether or not there will be a PAWS or how long it will last. I feel almost normal.
Do not stay on the sofa alone. Get out and try and connect with people.
I am at day 8 and feeling MUCH better. It goes up and down but I have done it before and am SOOO determined to cleanse myself of this evil pill. A word of advise to all of you. If you have the means find a good doctor associated with a detox Hospital. They can prescribe what you need to make the WD manageable. Clonidine, Seroquel and Gabapentin make a HUGE difference. Seroquel gives you an appetite so you get nutrition. Last time I lost alot of weight but this time I am gaining. I have EXERCISED from day 4 and it makes a big difference for me this time around. The first time I quit for 6 months I mainly stayed alone and never got off the sofa. I can feel myself getting better very quickly this time around under a Doctors care. So find a good Dr who can tell you what you need to do.
Good Luck to all.
i am 28 days off subtext and have used 8 years metadon and 4 years subtext at the movement mentally depress and have no energy and physically i have got legless at night and i can not sleep as well . has any body got any idea how long is going to take to me get a bit normal but because of those symptom i crave to go back to use subtext but i am going to keep staying positive and not go back to that horrible poison which rack our life. by the way i am 58 years old
I have been taking 2 8mg subutex tablets (dissolving under my tongue) for 5-6 months. I have been ready to stop I hate the money I have to spend bc I don't have insurance and I'm just over it all!!! So today is Thursday night and the last time I took my dose was last Saturday morning. I feel really good considering I'm "withdrawing". I have only had the anexity, a touch of RLS, and a little achy. Tomorrow will be day 5, so my questions is will it get worse or better since it hasn't been bad at all? Thanks for all comments
Look up the Thomas recipe too Google it I am also working off of it to help and I feel really good tomorrow is day 5
Hi guys me and my wife both are on day 6 of sub withdrawals. We were on texx for about sixteen monthsdoing about 12mg a day at our peak and then tapering down.We jumped at 1mg. First three days went pretty good for my wife, no real physical ailments except for no energy. I spent two out of the first three nights with no sleep due to a twitch in my shoulder and left arm. Felt like I was going insane. No way to get the damn twitch to stop, even resorted to trying to hurt my arm to try to get crawling feeling out of it. Nothing worked. Anyways wife woke up day 4 with uncontrollable vomitting. Got around 60 mg of oxycodone for here. Didn't even seem to phase the vomiting. Tried best to keep her hydrated with gatorade. Morning of day 5 not much change until gotlucky and found 2 wafers. Gave full wafer to her and finally an hour later she started feeling bbetter. Last night was first night we both slept since jump. This morning we split a quarter of other wafer and she went off to work. Have talked to her throughout day and she seems tobe doing better. Not sure what would be best approach to how to use rest of wafer, or will we need another wafer? I'm cautiously optimistic that the worst might be over
Hi, I'm a 37 year old female who's been on subutex for 7 years (8 mg). A year ago, I slowly went down to 2 mg. Finally, I went on temgesic and cut down to 0,6 mg. I decided to stop cold turkey 72 days ago. It's been extremely hard. The acute wd symptoms lasted for over a month but I'm still withdrawing now even after 11 weeks. Symptoms like sneezing, insomnia, cold/hot sweats, heart palpitations just linger on and on. How long till I will feel like myself again? Because it seems to take for ever and ever which is worrying. I'm relatively healthy, in good shape, I exercise twice a week, take my vitamins etc etc. Has the long term use of subutex changed the chemistry in my brain?
ive been on subutex for a long time(10 yrs) and for the past few months in preparation to quit taking it I would take about 8-12mg for about 4 days and not take anything else for 8-9 days. Will my withdrawal be as bad? I'm on day 12 right now and not feeling too bad honestly. Thank you!
I've been off subtex for 3 months now but I'm still get the strecthing sensation and yawning and and its like my head is still racing can u give me some addvice
I am Suffering severe Anxiety , I have muscle Aches , Feeling Sick to my Stomach , I need help..
I have taken buprenorphine around 4 milligrams a day for about 60 days. I quit cold turkey and am experiencing all the normal withdrawals. How long is this hell going to last? I am 3 and a half days in and its horrible.
Hi Ron. Have you asked for medical assistance for your withdrawal symptoms? If not, see a doctor as soon as possible. They'll either treat your condition with medications or refer you to someone who can help.
Hang in there. I've been off the sub for 12 weeks now and I went through all the symptoms known to man but it gets better slowly but surely. Your body will slowly heal. The mind is complicated but it gets easier as your body recovers little by little. It takes time just like it takes time for a broken bone to heal. Be good to yourself, avoid unnecessary stress and try to make yourself as comfortable as possible. This phase will pass and you're not alone.
I have been of subutext 5weeks now I ok but still feel depressed I awake feeling great then half hour later I get depressed I have been to work but had to take some zapain for three days does anyone know when I will feel normal again I stopped the zapain when I realised they was opiate based the depression and energy levels are my main concern oh I was on subutex for 9 years 4mg daily
I have been on subutex for 3 year then i switched to subutex for alittle over a year.. i quit cold turkey. my body is perfect during the day …but when i got to bed i can not sleep at all my legs arms and wrist hurt so bad i cant sleep i went cold turkey 3 day ago and the only problem i have is sleeping…what do i got to do to make thr pain go away or how long will it last i only took a quarter a day when i took them…i feel fine during the day but feel like im dying during the night with my legs, arms ,knees what do i need to do thanks
Hi my doctor started me on suboxone 8 mg/ 2mg three times a day after a long period on oxycodone 30 mg 12 daily OxyContin 40 mg 6 daily for aprox 7 yrs . I did not abuse the medication it was prescribed that way after 7 failed brain surgeries for Trigeminal Neurlgia and anesthesia Delarosa . I manged to wean myself down to 4 mg of suboxone 2 mg twice daily I was told to go down 4 mg every 4 days and didn't have a problem until I tried comming off the last 4 mg . I saw my pain doc and he switched me from 4 mg suboxone to butrans 20 mcg / hr and on day 3 I am really severely sick severe stomach cramps chills runs etc .. I have been taking oxycodone 15 mg every 4 hrs which doesn't work perfect but has made it barable. My physicharist says it was too big of a jump my question is how long can I expect this severe widthdrawl to last ? I have only been on suboxone for about 2 1/2 months any advice or info would be greatly appreciated
I took Subutex for a little over 2 months, started at about 2 mg a day, last week or so was down to probably .75 or so. I'm on my second day without, and honestly feel like i can't even take it anymore. I start a new job in about 10 days. I have about 3mg's left, in case of emergency.
My question is: since i have to start a new job in about 11 days, and i feel like complete hell right now, would i be better off roughing it from here on out, or should i take very small doses (say, .25) for the next few days and then jumping again? I really can't afford to be sick when i start the new job.
When I was coming off subutex initially orgasms felt weird as my erections felt a little bit painful. I have now been off subutex for 5 months and in general I don't experience any withdrawal symptoms. Recently however I have noticed by body feels like I am withdrawing a bit again. I have some of the same sensations come over me like a shiver, just like when I initially started giving up/started to crave my next dose of subutex. I notice this happens quite often if I've been smoking weed or just had sex.
I took between 8mg to when I finally tapered off (incredibly slowly) over a period of 3 years. It was way too long but I just couldn't bring myself to quit for ages.
Have you heard of any similar experiences to mine? My mood has totally changed for the better now and I am far more sociable than when I was using both brown and subs.
I've been cutting my dose of suboxone I'm down to a quater of a strip a day or every other day I've been on it for a long time a few years the doctors around here are only concerned with money so they don't try to wean you off so I'm taking it upon myself do I stop cold now or cut this dose in half for a week or two n if so how long do u think my withdrawl will last thanks any advise will be appreated
I'm stepping off suboxone I'm down to two MSG a day or every other day been on it for a few years what do you suggest on my next step cut the dose in half or just go cold from here any suggestions thanks
i was on subutex for nearly 18 months i was on 24mls a day and they reduced me within 1 week to 8mls i was meant to take the 8 mls and when i went to the pharmasit they had 35mls of methodone waiting for me i refused to take it but was made to drink some ,since then i have gone cold turkey its now been 1 month and a week i was addicted to painkillers never herion,im now having nightmares not sleeping i suffer with oestioarthurities had brain heamoragh in 2010 my doctor has given me tramodol for my pains and im on 30 mls of diazapan daily which i have been on for 25 yrs is it normal to suffer extreme nighmares and i have no go in me i woulde be grateful to hear from anybody because i cant take it anymore im destroying everything i have good in my life and refuse to go back to cdas or subutex also i dont stop sneezing plse help thankyou traci byrne .
I've been snorting about half mg of subtext for about 5 months, I started taking it to help me with a short term heroin addiction but before I knew it…I was addicted, I never realised such a small line could have me hooked. Are my withdrawals likely to still be severe or relatively easily compared to others?
I've been on Subutex for just 3 months and on 1-1.5mg, but yet the withdrawal symptoms are there, even in the 10th day, Hot and cold, sweating, fatigue, chills, insomnia. The worse part is that as i got off Subutex, i had at the same time Malaria and a Flu (i'm on a mission in an Africa country),all the symptoms beside of the withdrawal, really horrible, i just want to get out of my skin, it's day 10 and i'm really desperate, but hopeful to see the light at the end of the tunel. God i hope it won't last a long time.
Hi I'm brandon i don't really have a question just sum comments on suboxone withdrawl that will probably ease some of peoples fears on sub withdrawl. first of all i was a heavy heroin user for four or five years. For about a year after that i used suboxone between 8 – 12 mgs a day. then id say for about 3 months i wud switch back and forth between heroin and subs, whatever i could find at the time. I never really cut my dose of suboxone but the day i went to rehab i took about a 4 mg piece of suboxone jus because i had to be on a plane for about 6 hours 2 flights. but anyway i was in a detox center before rehab for 5 days. spent 31 days in rehab. but i honestly. was COMPLETELY BACK TO NORMAL within 2-3 weeks absolutely no p.a.w.s NOTHING. i relapsed 3 months after rehab eventually goin right bak to heroin very quickly at pretty much the same dose 10 15 bags a day. money got tight and i found a suboxone connect again and was on about 4mgs a day. took 2 mgs for about 2 weeks and jumped off. ( g/f is preg so i gotta do it. Days 3-5 were hell iam now on day 7 almost day 8 and can honestly. say all my physical symtoms are gone jus mild fatigue at times. so to sum all this up. i keep hearing and reading it taked months to recover, IT IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT. dont be scared. if i can do it trust me ANYONE CAN DO IT. it will take 2-3 weeks to bak to yur normal self. just give it about a week then start goin on little walks and light excercises drink plenty of water Gatorade for electrolytes stomache as much food as u can when u can. boost really helped when i cudnt eat its a meal replacement drink. and vitamin b-6.
The vitamin b-6 helps turn yur food into energy aand have also herd it helps with anxiety but I've never had a problem with that. if it helps I'm 25 about 140 pounds 5-6 i do have a fast metabolism so that might of helped me get rid of the withdrawls faster ( I've herd) just set your mind on doing it. i think for the most part after id say 2 weeks its all in yur head after that. most people read everyone else's horrer storries and then think its going to happen to them. not the case. everyone IS different but i wudnt say one person to another varies from 2 weeks to 2 months. its bullshit like i said. jus believe in yourself i promise u can do it.
I been off suboxon for 3-1/2 months and my stomach is jacked up everyday I have severe diarrhea I can't take the stomach pain is their anything I can do to help it stop. Thanks
I have been using subutex for about 8 mo. About 4 mg a day then dropped to 2 mg then about 1.5 the last week. I took my last dose 9 days ago. It hasn't been awful but I have been taking lortabs since then. I plan on stopping tomorrow cold turkey. What can I expect. Keep in mind before the subutex I was taking about 50 mg of lortab a day for about a year.
Over 8 years ago I had five eye surgeries and taking pain pills for the duration, after two years of surgeries I was to have a 6th and decided that I no longer wanted to be dependent on pain pills. I went to my pain management doctor for help because a traditional detox facility was not an option. He suggested Suboxone. I took suboxone for a year when I lost my job due to lay off and insurance. He then put me on subutex. I took 8 mg subutex for two years., Then gradually tapered to 1/4 of a pill. After another three years of 1/4 a pill a day I decided to taper to 1/8th after a week of 1/8th I took the jump and stopped all together, The first three weeks were the hardest. Sneezing, tired, depression, stomach problems, slept maybe two hours at a time. Honestly, it was tough and I seriously considered starting again, but I was determined to stop, It is now a little over 30 days and other than lack of motivation, depression and having a hard time sleeping through the night I am better. To all of those trying to quit, it will be hard but it IS worth it.. I am starting to laugh a little more and doing everything I can to get my energy back. Lack of energy is my biggest concern right now hopefully it will pass soon.
For people who quit cold turkey at a high dose, hang in there. I did the same thing, took 20 to 28 mg everyday for 2 years. I can tell you, the withdraw isn't mild at that point, and it last a very long time. Just as bad a methadone. I rather of detoxed from heroin. I was throwing up, runs, chills, skin felt super weird and irritated, restless legs, no appetite, everything smelled and tasted gross, severe flu symptoms, and fatigue. Those major symptoms didn't hit until the 3rd day. The throwing up, flu symptoms subside a little in 10 days, but continue on and on for like 3 weeks. It has a very long half life, believe me, your natural dopamine cant get in your receptors for a long time. After a month or so, those post acute withdraws dont mean shit. Its cake. You will have no problem with them. Just drink some energy drinks, eat well, and some vitamins. Believe me, after you go through that detox, you won't touch another opiate, especially synthetic opiate ever again. That pain will teach you a lesson you need.
UPDATE : I'm on day 19 off Subutex, the pure horror and agony of withdrawal lasted about 2 weeks for me, after that timeline, a mix of physical and psychological pain sets in, (profound anxiety, panic, severe insomnia), i just couldn't handle not sleeping for days, it drove me almost crazy, so i took my last resort, (kLONOPIN), it's not the wisest choice but it helped me a lot, (of course i'm aware i have to carefull with this shit). Hope the best luck to everybody, it's really not easy.
i have a question that i can NOT find ANYWHERE! I was prescribed 16mg of suboxone a day by my psychiatrist. But heres the strange part. i did not have an opiate issue. I went into inpatient detox for alcohol. My psychiatrist suggested that i take ANIBUSE so that i couldnt drink, and she told me suboxone would help my cravings for alcohol. and i used to abuse opiates 5 yrs ago, so she said that even though i was not currently a pain pill addict, i may start pain pills again since i couldnt drink. so i agreed to take this medicine, that id never heard of, because she insisted i would have no issues. i took it for 9 months and i stopped feeling like a human,so i tapered down to 1mg. then she said to go back up to 16mg and take anti depressants. i did. last week we argued and i said i wanted off subs, so she got mad and tapered me from 16mg to 4mg in 7 days.
today is day 6 off the suboxone and ive had the MILDEST of symptoms. HERES THE QUESTION:
since i was taking suboxone for alcohol and not for opiate abuse, is that why im not having severe withdrawals like everyone else?
suboxone doesnt stretch out your receptors like opiates do, since my receptors were never stretched out from opiates it took less suboxone to fill the receptor sites, so, that would mean once the sub leaves my system, my brain wont have to hard of a time rewiring itself?
im rambling on here, but im just curious as to why some people get sick in 2-3 days, others get sick at 4-6 days, and everyone says they are sick and not sleeping by day 6, but im almost to day 7 and have only had slight symptoms. so slight that a common cold would be worse .
could i be lucky because i dint take sub for opiate use?
hope all that made since. Thanks!
I have been on buprenorphine for 5 years now and when I started out my dose was 3 times a day of 8mg. After a few months I was taking 2 8 mg tablets a day. I stayed with that same dose for around 2 years then I went to 1 tablet a day and have been taking it for the past 2 and a half years. I know the longer the medicine is taken the longer the withdrawal symptoms last. I wanted to know what to expect and about how long these physical withdrawal symptoms last. I know there's not a specific time but I was wondering what the ball park estimate would be. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
I've been clean off the subutex 4 months now. I was afraid that I'd never ever feel like my normal self again, I spent hours and hours researching on the internet and looking for answers that nobody could give me, not even my doctor. The thing is, it's very individual. Some people only suffer for a little month others continue longer. It all depends BUT IT'S ALL WORTH IT. I have never felt so good in my life. Bite the sour apple. IT'S WORTH IT. And don't ever ever flirt with that poison again. Peace.
Oh Anders, i'm happy you're sober for 4 months, it's been 33 days for me, and i feel better, not really good enough, i felt so alone while in withdrawal, nobody could understand what i was going through, i felt very lonly, i was all by myself, of course i had the support of my family and boyfriend, but it's really something you shoud go through it by yourself and it makes you stronger. Good luck.
Hello Amber. I'd advise you to first do a gradual decrease of doses, it will make the withdrawal far more bearable. After you completely stop taking the medication, the physical withdrawal symptoms will resolve after a period of 7-10 days. But, it's the psychological effects that can persist for months. But, don't worry, with the proper professional help and persistence you can succeed. I wish you all the best!
It's day 36 off Sub, and i honestly don't feel really well, can't even go at work, i'm tired of giving false excuses,
it's true that i have the support of my family and boyfriend, but the withdrawal is a personal thing noone can understand it unless he has gone through it, and that's why i'm on this website. I don't understand that i've taken Subutex (1-2)mg for just 3 months, and the withdrawal symptoms are lasting so long (restlessness, mood swings, cramps).
I came off of 20 mg of Subutex, and 6mg of klonopin a day after a year and a half, because I had to. I moved from Portland, Oregon, but before I left, everything was supposed to follow me here to Ohio. That didn't happen. When I got here, The nightmare began shortly there after. I f there is a hell, I was in it. Torture. Agony. I don't really think there is a word for it. But, the good news. Today is day 22. Not to say I did this alone. I did self medicate, not everyday, but none the less. Do what you have to do, because if you are like me, I have no insurance. I've been to the hospital 3 times. And every time I was treated like a dog with distemper. I swear, If it was legal, they would have put me to sleep. The way I see it, it's population control. But, I've done without their damn help. I'm not 100 percent yet, but I'm much better than I was. Take it from me, subutex is not worth it…. Unless you like slavery. If a doctor offers to put you on, run like hell out of that office. Don't buy the lie! Because it comes from the deepest part of Hell. I can only hope this reaches the people who need to her this message. Get clean. Go to meetings and stay the hell away from western medicine. It's poison, and the pharmaceutical companies literally making Billions off of our suffering and it wont stop until we all band together to stop them and boycott their death pills. God be with you all.
MY LAST UPDATE: it's my day 38 off Sub, today i feel really good, it's been a long journey with a lot of pain and misery, but it was really worth it, i know that maybe some symptoms might come and go in waves, but today i made the decision not to feel miserable anymore. My life starts again and even if this might be my last post in this website, i thank you from my the bottom of my heart for your help and support, it really helped me go through these tough times. I don't think i'm gonna be on these websites again cause they remind of a time in my life i wan to forget, and i want to move on and leave all that behinde me, hope i could help someone going through this hell and tell him stay strong it's worth it. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU AND GOOD LUCK. BE HAPPY AND HEALTHY.
i am at 95 days off Sub today. The physical symptoms have been gone since about day 30 but the mental is still here. It's getting better each week though. The one thing to remember is that taking sub, even once now will awaken all those dormant receptors and I will be at square 1 again. Do not trick yourself into "just one" time. It is all it takes. It's hard to see now but I have been improved so much each month. I don't know when but in a few months I may be back to normal. Good Luck to everyone. Never take sub.


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Only, Jerry didn't find the Tundra quite as useful as the Ford F-150 that already served Red's Bog. He was afraid to get dirt on its cloth upholstery, and at the lumberyard, he found that the Tundra's box wasn't long enough or deep enough to hold the same amount of scaffolding he could carry in the Ford. Every time he had real work to perform, he'd park the Tundra and take the F-150. So we fetched it home and put it back into the lily-livered hands of the sissy writers at Automobile Magazine.
The story could end right here: Toyota Truck Can't Handle Hard Labor!
Only, most of the people who buy big trucks can't handle it, either, and, for them, the Toyota Tundra just may be the best truck out there. Here's why:
* The interior gauges, instruments, and trim are Camry-quality.
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* We spent a measly $722 for 30,000 miles of scheduled maintenance, which would take an average American nearly three years to rack up. That's $240 per year. Chump change.
* There was no unscheduled maintenance performed. None. It never, ever broke. (We bought a trailer hitch; we fixed a gouge from flying debris; we replaced a gas cap we lost.)
Let's return to the joy that filled our hearts when the Tundra came home to roost. Everyone needs a pickup. If you need friends, buy a pickup. Design director Darin Johnson used it to haul "a full load of kitchen cabinets" for his big re-modeling. Former online editor Megan McCann noted that a "nineteenth-century settee fit right in." A Kubota tractor with blade and front-end loader was trailered from Jennings home to Jennings cabin. A banzai four-day run to Arizona and back (4000 miles) relocated my brother and his belongings, including his Harley-Davidson. Boats were pulled on double-axle trailers "with ease and on cruise control," noted one sportsman, and "very well uphill from the boat barn," noted another. That last guy also noted how well the Tundra's shift-on-the-fly (dash-mounted 2wd-to-4wd switch) four-wheel drive worked when he forgot the boat plug while launching and ended up beating a hasty retreat out of the drink, hauling trailer, boat, and a bilge full of lake water.
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Northwestern has rushed for at least 200 yards every game so far. How many rushing yards does it get on Saturday?
Sure after watching game film they won't be challenging the line and Shazier as much. Roby, Pitt Brown and gang better be ready for a lot of balls thrown their way.
Wisky only ran for 104, but Northwestern will spread our D out a little more......but not much more....100-150
ONE Not Done!
I'm worried about our LBs against the pass. Curtis Grant stepped up against the run, but that was when the other 6 guys are also helping him out as the whole front 7 was in run stop mode. But when he's out in a zone by himself trying to defend the pass... we'll see.
"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." - Woody
We're not going to completely sell out against the run like we did for Wisky so they'll pick up some more yards. The good news it that means our pass D shouldn't be as atrocious as it was last week.
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Exactly my thoughts. Everyone keeps saying since we stopped Wisky's run game we can stop anybody's. I'm not gonnna disagree with that, but I will say that Wisky didn't complete make us pay like NW could if we commit to only stopping the run. With Wisky, we said, let them pass and they won't beat us if they try to do it with the passing game, and it worked. They got 200 yrds out of one receiver and still lost. NW that won't be the case. They will do short dump offs over top of our blitzes and take them for 20+yrd gains.
"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." - Woody
I have a feeling this game is going to be a whole lot like Nebraska from last year- tons of big plays and lots and lots of scoring. Although, I think that this game will be closer as I do not think NU will make as many mistakes as Nebraska did. I don't see why NU will want to run the ball much. Even when we aren't completely focused on the run, we are still susceptible to giving up huge chunks of yards through the air.
I gave them 150....think they spread the ball with balance with Venric Mark returning.
Just think the Buckeyes will be a little better on offense fortunately.
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I went a little higher, Hove, but for the same logic. They can spread the ball out which should open up the running game a bit more.
The thought that we stopped Wisconsin so we can stop NW is a little misguided. These are 2 completely different offenses and the latter is one that typically gives us fits.
I'm hoping our pass rush finds Colter a few times to take away some of that net yardage, with the secondary (Roby, and the group stepping up with the loss of Bryant) rebounding and the linebackers limiting things in space.
But the fellas up front are really going to need to get consistent penetration. I'm going to go apeshit if I see the holds we saw Diesel and Spence suffered against the Badgers.
Have a feeling Fitzgerald is looking at the 'sconsin tapes quite a bit this week.
I almost want to cite their home field advantage helping them out....have a feeling OSU will be well represented in the stands. That's going to be a huge help.
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The big uglies up front definitely need to shine in this game. Blitzing is probably going to have to be limited to contain the spread with our back 7 so getting pressure from the ends is critical. I actually wouldn't be against deploying a line at times that contains Diesel and Bennett on the inside and Bosa and Spence on the outside. It gives us strength (Bennett) and quickness (Diesel) from the DT's and speed (Spence) and power (Bosa) from the ends. Wishful thinking at least but it makes sense in this old brain of mine.
This may end up looking more like an SEC game. Some defense and a lot of scoring. I believe OSU will win the shootout though. Turnover margin could decide the game. Go Bucks!!!
"I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win." -Urban Meyer-
Mark is supposed to back for this game, so there may be some run threat. I still think they'll get held to under 120 yds.
And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!
This week is different than last week, DE's won't need as much help from CB's to contain run. LB's will fill the gaps, if LB's don't wrap up, CB's may have to help out on run like last week, this won't be good, since they have a better passing attack. I think the line gets the pressure though, a few runs get through front line but LB's lock down. More rushing yards given up than last week but shouldn't be much more, More yds passing, but more spread out, not one receiver beating us up. If the coaches let the offensive play in second half, when by more than 2 scores.
Go Bucks!
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[OS] US/CUBA - Richardson rebuffed in effort to free Alan Gross
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By Mary Beth Sheridan, Monday, September 12, 3:18 AM
The Cuban government has rebuffed a mission by former New Mexico governor
Bill Richardson to free a U.S. government contractor jailed in Havana,
even ruling out a visit with the man, Richardson said Sunday.
Richardson vowed to remain in Cuba until he was allowed to see jailed
American Alan P. Gross.
"We were supposed to leave yesterday. We've extended our stay in the
hotel. My position is, I'm not planning to leave until I get a chance to
visit Alan Gross," Richardson said in a telephone interview from Havana.
Cuba's action appeared to be an extraordinary snub of the prominent,
Spanish-speaking Democrat and former U.N. ambassador who has had cordial
relations with the island's government. There was no word from the Cuban
government on why Richardson couldn't see Gross, who has routinely
received visits from U.S. diplomats and members of Congress.
Gross, 62, was arrested in December 2009 while working on a secretive
democracy program in Cuba for the U.S. Agency for International
Development. His detention has grown into a major impediment to President
Obama's goal of improving relations with Cuba.
Richardson, who has long supported improved relations with Cuba, said he
was "flabbergasted" by his treatment. He was invited to Havana by the
Cuban government to discuss the Gross case, he said, leading to hopes of a
breakthrough. Cuban parliament leader Ricardo Alarcon last week described
Richardson's trip as "noble."
But Richardson said there appeared to be disagreements within the Cuban
government on what to do with Gross.
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meeting Thursday, Richardson conveyed to Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno
Rodriguez the U.S. position that "if you release Alan Gross, there are a
number of areas of cooperation we can talk about," Richardson said.
But "their inclination is not to do that," he said.
The Obama administration has eased some Cuba travel and financial
restrictions imposed by President George W. Bush. But further cooperation
on matters such as immigration, the environment and drug trafficking has
stalled, officials say. In addition, Cuba is unlikely to get its wish to
be removed from the U.S. list of terror-sponsoring countries while Gross
is held, American officials say.
American diplomats had hoped Cuba would deport Gross after he was
sentenced in March to 15 years in prison. They say Cuban authorities have
never explicitly asked for anything in exchange for his release. But Cuban
authorities have been angered by the Obama administration's continuation
of the secretive democracy program on the island, which had grown
significantly under Bush, analysts say.
The Obama administration defends the program as part of a global effort to
support basic freedoms. The 2011 budget provides $20 million for the Cuba
effort, up from $15 million the previous year.
Cuba considers the democracy-promotion activities illegal, since they fall
under the Helms-Burton law, which calls for regime change on the island.
Gross was providing satellite phone and computer equipment to the island's
Jewish community, under a $6 million contract won by his employer,
Development Alternatives Inc. of Bethesda.
Richardson, a former U.N. ambassador, has spent his career traveling to
hot spots such as Iraq, North Korea and Sudan to negotiate the release of
jailed Americans.
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Legal travel by Americans to Cuba comes at high price
Tours for legal travel to Cuba are selling out quickly. Travel companies are planning for 2013, but the outcome of the November presidential election makes next year uncertain.
Seattle Times travel writer
Cuba Tours
Here's a sampling of offerings by tour operators licensed by the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control to offer legal trips to Cuba.For more information on government-authorized travel to Cuba, see www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/cuba.pdf
Road Scholar: Formerly known as Elderhostel. Five itineraries with departures through July. More dates to be added.
Eight and nine-day trips (18-24 people) focus on art, people and society and Jewish heritage. Prices: $2,295-$3,195 per person, double occupancy, including round-trip Miami/Havana airfare. www.roadscholar.org.
Austin-Lehman Adventures: Montana-based adventure travel company offering nine-day tours (maximum 12 people). Eight departures through June, with plans to add more. $4,498 including Miami/Havana airfare. www.austinlehman.com.
Global Exchange: San Francisco nonprofit, international human-rights organization. Ten-day "Reality Tours" (10-15 persons) for those who qualify as professionals in fields such as music, art, dance, health, agriculture and women's studies. Most tours are $2,600, including Miami/Havana or Cancún/Havana airfare. www.globalexchange.org
Insight Cuba: Large Cuba tour operator and first to be granted one of the new "people to people" licenses. Four to nine-day trips (sold out through March) with departures through July, and more to be added. Itineraries include Bay of Pigs, Havana Biennial Art Exhibit in May and the Havana Marathon in November. Prices: $1,695-$3,500, plus air to and from Cuba. www.insightcuba.com.
National Geographic Expeditions: Twenty-three 10-day "Cuba: Discovering its People and Culture" trips (maximum 25 people), trips sold out and wait-listed through May. More departures planned. $4,995 plus $500 for Miami/Havana airfare. ww.nationalgeographicexpeditions.com.
Anyone who's looked into a legal way to visit Cuba under the Obama administration's new "people-to-people" provisions will relate to this Seattle Times reader's concerns.
"The only legal way I have found is to join some grossly overpriced tour group, and be herded around to very select sights," he said in an email to me. "The prices for these trips ($4,000 plus for a week) appear to be two or three times what they should be."
He's partially right, at least about the costs.
With a 50-year-old U.S. financial and trade embargo still in place, most Americans legally can't book a flight on a discount airline and reserve a $20 room in a family home as many Canadians and Europeans do.
With a few exceptions for students, journalists, aid workers and some others, going to Communist-run Cuba means joining one of the new cultural and educational tours licensed by the U.S. Treasury Department.
Many trips sold out quickly. Tour companies are planning more for 2013, but the outcome of the November presidential election makes next year uncertain.
"It's certainly very much on our radar," says Justin Brown program director for National Geographic Expeditions, whose trips average $500 per person per day, not including airfare to and from Cuba. "If (President) Obama is not re-elected, there's a decent chance these might go away."
The result: "Cuba is being inundated right now," says Malia Everette of San Francisco's Global Exchange, and Cuban government tour operators charge U.S. groups a premium.
Global Exchange, a nonprofit human-rights organization, runs a variety of "Reality Tours" under a different type of license geared toward professionals doing research in fields such as architecture, dance, agriculture and health care.
Not everyone can qualify, but those who do go for about $260 a day, including airfare to and from Havana. That's much less than most of the "people-to-people" tours, but still more than you'd spend traveling on your own.
No beach time
Whatever the tour, examine the itinerary carefully. If your dream is to explore Cuba's beaches or bike its back roads, these trips are not for you.
"You're going to be interacting with Cuban people where they live and work," says Stacie Fasola of Road Scholar (formerly Elderhostel) "You're going to learn about the country. Not just see it, but learn about it."
I traveled to Cuba with Global Exchange in November, then spent five days touring on my own. Some advice:
• Consider cutting costs by traveling with a nonprofit group, museum, university or professional group. Road Scholar programs are open to anyone, and Global Exchange took 700 Americans to Cuba last year. Locally, Dr. Sarah Reichard, director of the University of Washington Botanic Gardens, is leading a group on a 12-day trip in late February.
• Ask for details on how your tour operator plans to provide you with authentic interactions with Cuban people, a challenge when it comes to group travel. Many of the tours include the same stops, such as a visit to Callejón de Hammel — an Afro-Cuban community project known for its street art and lively rumba performances, but overrun with tourists and people selling CDs and asking for money.
• Expect comfortable government-owned hotels with pools, but don't be disappointed if your group stays in a modern high-rise. Canadian and European groups tend to get first crack at historic Havana Vieja's (Old Havana's) classic hotels favored by writers such as Ernest Hemingway and Graham Greene.
• Familiarize yourself with Cuba's dual currency system. You'll be exchanging dollars for convertible pesos (CUCs), a "hard currency" worth $1 each, minus a 10 percent exchange tax, a tit-for-tat for the U.S. embargo against Cuba. I avoided the 10-percent tax by bringing Canadian dollars.
One of the hardest concepts for outsiders to grasp is that most Cubans are paid a government salary of about $20 per month, earned in the local currency, called pesos Cubanos or CUPs (worth about 4 cents each). Education, housing and health care are free. CUPs buy the basics: cooking oil, cheap meals, coffee cut with pea flour.
But much of what the average Cuban wants and needs — drinkable coffee, washing machines, materials to fix up their homes — is only available to those who can pay in hard currency. (Tourism and money sent by relatives in the U.S. are the main sources).
To get a sense of everyday Cuban life:
• Tip in convertibles, but for a truly local experience, change $5 into pesos Cubanos, and enter government-subsidized Cuba. Buy a 4-cent ice-cream cone. Or patronize one of the fledgling entrepreneurs selling ice cream and pastries for pennies or pizza from their kitchen windows.
• Use your free time to get out on your own. Walk through a neighborhood like Havana Centro, where kids play ball in the crumbling streets. Stop for a 50-cent beer at the makeshift bar set up in John Lennon Park, then walk across the street and have a $10 dinner (hard currency) on the terrace of a restored mansion, home to the French friendship association.
• One of my best experiences was hiring a bicycle taxi one warm evening in Cienfuegos for dinner at a privately run restaurant in the family home of a local nurse and her chef husband. Four of us ate for $30, mojitos included.
• Learn about Cuba's changing economy and differing views about life under Fidel Castro (Cuba's revolutionary leader, who stepped down because of ill health) and Raul Castro (the current president). Follow blogs by Cuban activists on www.translatingcuba.com. Among the writers is Yoani Sanchez, author of Havana Real, whose blog is translated into English by Mary Jo Porter of Seattle.
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The Governmental Accounting Standards Board (GASB) has issued Statement No. 63, "Financial Reporting of Deferred Outflows of Resources, Deferred Inflows of Resources, and Net Position," and Statement No. 64, "Derivative Instruments: Application of Hedge Accounting Termination Provisions."Both statements were needed to clarify issues resulting from existing GASB literature.
Statement No. 63
GASB Statement 63, "Financial Reporting of Deferred Outflow of Resources, Deferred inflows of Resources, and Net Position," addresses how to report elements of financial statements that are deferrals, and explains that net position is the residual of all other elements presented in a statement of net position. Statement 63 amends Statement 34, "Basic Financial Statements—and Management's Discussion and Analysis—for State and Local Governments," and Statement 35, "Basic Financial Statements – and Management's Discussion and Analysis – for Public Colleges and Universities." Accordingly, the new standard clarifies that amounts that are required to be reported as deferred outflows of resources or deferred inflows of resources should be reported in a separate section in a statement of net assets, following assets and liabilities, respectively. The statement of net position should report all assets, deferred outflows of resources, liabilities, deferred inflows of resources, and net position.
GASB Concepts Statement No. 4, "Elements of Financial Statements," included definitions of deferred inflows and deferred outflows of resources as elements separate from assets and liabilities. A deferred inflow of resources is an acquisition of net assets that is applicable to a future reporting period, and a deferred outflow of resources is a consumption of net assets that is applicable to a future reporting period. Although two recent GASB standards have required the reporting of deferrals in the statement of net assets (Statement No. 53, "Accounting and Financial Reporting for Derivative Instruments"and Statement No. 60, "Accounting and Financial Reporting for Service Concession Arrangements"), no guidance existed for the presentation of the required elements until the issuance of Statement 63.
The provisions of Statement 63 are effective for financial statements for periods beginning after December 15, 2011, or FY13 for the majority of public institutions.
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Statement 64 provides guidance for circumstances in which hedge accounting continues to be applied when a swap counterparty, or a swap counterparty's credit support provider, is replaced.
Statement 64 clarifies that when certain conditions are met, the use of hedge accounting should not be terminated. Those conditions are: (1) the collectability of swap payments is considered to be probable; (2) the replacement of the counterparty or credit support provider meets the criteria of an assignment or in-substance assignment as described in the statement, and (3) the counterparty or counterparty credit support provider (and not the government) has committed the act of default or termination event. When all of these conditions exist, the GASB believes that the hedging relationship continues and hedge accounting should continue to be applied.
The provisions of Statement 64 are effective for financial statements for periods beginning after June 15, 2011, or FY12 for the majority of public institutions.
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February 25-27, 2015
Distance Learning
- ON-DEMAND: How to Build, Develop, and Support a Compliance Program at Your Institution
- ON-DEMAND: Strategic Tuition Assessment and Tuition Restructuring
- ON-DEMAND: Are Shared Services Right for Your Organization – The KU Journey
- ON-DEMAND: VIRTUAL: 2014 Annual Meeting
- ON-DEMAND: VIRTUAL: Student Financial Services Conference
- ON-DEMAND: VIRTUAL: Higher Education Accounting Forum
Business Officer
- A Guide to College and University Budgeting: Foundations for Institutional Effectiveness, 4th ed. - by Larry Goldstein
- NACUBO's Guide to Unitizing Investment Pools - by Mary S. Wheeler
- Managing and Collecting Student Accounts and Loans - by David R. Glezerman and Dennis DeSantis