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2012-05-31, 09:56 | Link #782 |
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I wonder about man!Zessica theory. It could work. Remember back a few eps ago where they talked about men and women having what each other lack, and coloured the male and female silhouettes with green and purple/pink...and then in the gattai later, they had Zessica mirroring the man's pose in green and Mikono mirroring the woman's. Could all be subtle foreshadowing.
(Though if so, poor Zessica. She already felt inadequate as a woman.) If Mykage is Toma with memory loss or something, and Zessica is Apollo/nius, this could all be a subtle plan to win Zessica to his side. (All "Look how happy Silvia is with this other guy, you should let them be! Come to me instead.") Apollo reincarnation: guys, I'm late but I finally made it here after 26 eps! I'm going to keep my promise from 12,000 years ago and - oh. Okay. Send me an invitation to the wedding if you like. |
2012-05-31, 10:14 | Link #783 | |
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(Still, OH MY GOD LOL PLEASE MAKE IT TRUE - not like it would actually affect anything, mind you, but it would be hilarious and I would feel so smart. ) |
2012-05-31, 10:20 | Link #784 |
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kuromitsu: from the picture it looks like a sidebar / sidebox. It doesn't say who's talking, for all I know it's just a VA or someone making a half-serious guess, and it seems like a spoiler they'd not want to leak this early.
But honestly, this being true would be the funniest thing I can remember in ages, so now I'm pulling for it. |
2012-05-31, 10:24 | Link #785 | |
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Mikono and Zessica want their dog to favour them and so the jealousy. Mikono and Zessica's meeting and handshake. Mikono ignoring Zessica's handshake similar to Apollo and Silvia's meeting with a fight. LOL. the constant baka baka baka references from Zess cause Mikono is bakahime. Ianthe references. 2 girls fell in love, one wanted to turn into a boy for the other. LOL. |
2012-05-31, 10:28 | Link #786 |
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Aside from how hilarious (and stupid, but would certainlu be the twist of AWESOME I wanted to redeem this show) that would be, I wouldn't put much weight on these spoilers. Why would Poron cause the legendary Aquarion to move? Out of context this is hard to make or break, but I think its just playing fast and loose with the wording when describing Apollo from Genesis who was very much dog-like and treated as such. (Kagura was, literally, given the dog-like qualities of Apollo: smell, moving on all fours, and a bonus transformation. While Amata was given the mind of Apollo.)
But, I'm in "fuck it" mode, so sure. Let this be the twist. Also, SPOON. Not the most reputable source of information.
2012-05-31, 10:59 | Link #787 |
*shrugs* I'm as unsure as whether it is a "creators are totally lying for future events" or unreliable source. In the end, that's all what magazines do: hype up the readers, publicizing the anime. Whether by interviews, sweeten with honey, or by interesting write-ups. If you're asking me, every magazines is as unreliable because the contents of the articles are putting up the subjects in good light even if you think it's illogical Part of why I usually am lazy to translate an article's summary, to be honest wwww (Another part was because I totally am just a lazeass and critical. Capice! )
Besides, the interview is basically what the creators' think. Definitely, we're not the creators, and we totally can disagree on their views once we get the goods It's a great way to get an insight about what the creators are trying to do, but whether it succeed or failed to impress you... That's another story. Also, mike! It's not 翼犬, it's 翅犬~ (Not that it had any difference, just pointing out that's official name for Pollon.) To be honest, I'm pretty intrigued about from whom does this... "article (?)" come from though~ XD;;
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2012-05-31, 11:14 | Link #789 |
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Something I strangely didn't notice before (at least as a mirror-esque pattern):
Mikono has green eyes and purple hair. Zessica has purple eyes and green hair. That's... interesting. Possibly just a coincidence, but I could see it being a subtle way of the anime foreshadowing something. It could be that Mikono and Zessica are also two halves of the same whole reincarnation, and this color pattern reflects that. Or it could be that the yuri theory is right, lol.
2012-05-31, 12:09 | Link #790 | |
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2012-05-31, 12:33 | Link #792 |
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So can we expect a ZessicaxMikono gattai incoming, with Amagura as the third wheel.
Other theory I read somewhere else : Appollo, Syrius and Touma could still be inside the Aquarion and 'alive'. But what is Shrade then ? Last edited by Zuul; 2012-05-31 at 13:36. |
2012-05-31, 14:18 | Link #793 | |
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This is serious case of slowpoke. |
2012-05-31, 15:41 | Link #794 |
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Fusing Zessica into Mikono, that would be huge insult to Zessica's character. Makes her suffering even more stupid if she's supposed to be the otherhalf of Mikono and puts a chip in her whole fighting fate thing. They already ruined Amata in that regard, they shouldn't ruin Zessica in that regard and make her destined to be with him and just keep her as an outsider or someone else fighting fate to be with him.
2012-05-31, 16:05 | Link #796 | |
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Fusions are awful for any character. |
2012-05-31, 16:07 | Link #797 |
Shigure too OP
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And this means...
2012-05-31, 16:37 | Link #798 | |
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Not really, at least than she can mooch off all the stuff Zessica did and say that she wasn't useless. Saying that only her Mikono half was worthless but since the fusion everything Zessica did is what she did now.
When it comes to being intimate she'll go to Kagura, when it comes to going out on dates she'll go with Amata. So even if they do fuse she would still be leading the Amata half on and just go all the way with the Kagura half. Doesn't seem that farfetched considering how she treats Amata compared to Kagura and doesn't deny she wants Kagura to "Kill her all night long" over and over again. |
2012-05-31, 21:52 | Link #799 | |
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We're inferring feelings because of the (ever so convenient) flashback that follows moments later (but we had a discussion about how that flashback doesn't seem internally consistent with the story, either... its a few pages back somewhere). But even that doesn't flow well with her diction nor does it have any semblance of logic if you were to play it straight because she remarks about how much her actions (read: delay in taking action because of being afraid of the consequences) have caused her to make Amata and Zessica suffer but she committed said action moments prior. Such a self-critique (my inaction makes people suffer) does not flow smoothly after having *just* done the thing you are critiquing. This sort of thing is usually done in a revelatory manner where a character witnesses the consequences of their actions causing people suffer, not... whatever the hell it was to which we were treated. (This is largely an issue with how it was timed. There's a second (the unit of time) break between her scene with Amata and her scene on the boat. It would be stupid to try and say that in that time, however little it was, she had some great revelation and is now regretting her actions (which... strangely, she didn't seem to be doing).) Playing this straight makes so little sense that it makes my head spin every time I'm reminded of it. ----- Complete aside. In a story, when you want a character to improve themselves (Mikono), don't drop ever convenient plot development in their lap as a means to have them accomplish their goal (Fudo being always with her, must save MIX... so let's get kidnapped). It would have been leagues better to have her actually find Fudo somewhere in the forest where he was playing with ants, and have her be not a damsel in distress when going to Altair. (Maybe they are doing this on purpose, though, because the opposite is true for Zessica in that she cannot catch any breaks and the plot is actively out to get in her way.) But que sera, sera.
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PentaxNick: Why leave out the best one, the Ricoh GR?
it's a different class... no zoom, and for the majority of people, not what they are looking for. The Ricoh GR, Fuji X100n, Nikon A, have already been covered in a head to head comparison on here. And it is a dying class, with the new pocketable zoom cameras with large sensor that are available today.
@DPR: It is 2015, and you still haven't updated this by adding the Canon G7X.
What gives? is the G7X that bad? Has it beeen recalled or something?
You update other evals, why not this one?
Throw out a tiny sensor model or two, and replace it with a camera that has at least 1" sensor... it's not like there isn't choice out there today.
Timmbits: DO NOT BUY ANY OF THESE!!! is the best advice I can give you.
I purchased the best of the past years' roundups, the Panasonic, figuring that it should be a little bit better than the dismal tiny-sensor cameras out there.
Boy was I wrong, and it was wasted money. It became an expensive hand-me-down for my 8 year old girl - at least she can drop it, we can take it out on the inflatable kayak, and she is delighted with all she does with it (stop motion video, pictures of her dog...) and she's just too delighted to discover what she can do with a camera to worry about IQ.
If you are to get yourself a waterproof camera, get at least something with a 1" sensor or larger if any are available. I haven't researched this in the past months, but I do remember Nikon has the waterproof version of their Nikon-1. That is what you should get.
If you're going to have crappy image quality that these things deliver, you may as well just get the Sony waterproof smartphone and use that instead.
well said @Kawika
about the 1aw1 system:
I do believe that in the density of water, IS is superfluous, but it is nice to have out of the water.
?maybe they detected that the physics causes wobbles underwater if the rotational frequency is the same as in atmosphere?
Regardless... with the LX100, the GX7, and other models coming out next year, having an ILS with a 1" sensor has become less relevant.
It would be nice/interesting to see if any of the cameras with fixed lens will be introduced in a waterproof version.
PS: I simply gave my Panasonic TS (a gold award winner here) to my little girl. she plays with it, takes films and pictures of her little dog, makes stop motion video, and we took a few underwater pics in the public pool. it's OK for that. but it's rather expensive for a toy.
Timmbits: @DPR, with a title like that "High End Compact Roundup"...
one would expect an Actual Roundup of High-End compacts.
But no... 3 out of 6 have a tiny sensor, 1 has a very small sensor, of which none are "high end"... only 2 out of 6 is a failing mark in everyone's book.
Who composes your article titles? Someone who used to work in a paparazzi sensationalism newsroom?
A more apt title would have been simply "Xmas gift ideas" I know it sounds disappointing... but so is the roundup.
PS: " large sensors (compared to those in smartphones)" seriously, anything larger than a smartphone sensor is a "large sensor"? When did this new standard come about?
"Small sensors are needed for such smallish camera's, in case you didn't know."
I guess that's why the RX100 has a 1" sensor, Fuji has a 2/3" sensor...
the specs are right there for you to check, before shooting off your mouth with trash-talk.
With advancements in lens design, and makers going higher-end with bigger sensors to differentiate their products from smartphones, even a 1/1.7" is outdated now for a higher end product.
the title says "high end". a tiny sensor camera is not "high end"
Sdaniella: another LX-series Lumix part-time ES-LV only (x)
fixed rear screen (x) ... touchscreen AF? (✓) or not? (x)
rainbow evf (x) ... fixed angle evf (x)
manual aperture ring on lens (✓) ... or select-by-wire in only 0.5 EV increments!!? (x) or 1/3 EV (✓)?
manual focus ring on lens (✓) ... or select-by-wire? (x)
no manual zoom ring (x) ... toggled zoom
shutter speed dial (but only 1.0 EV increments!!?) (x)
hotshoe (✓) ... tack-on mini speedlight ... (x)
tripod mount offset from lens center axis (x)
insubstantial grip (x)
24-75mm eq.ff.fov zoom (✓: 24 fov wide) f/1.7-2.8 luminance (x2.2 crop)
10.9-34mm zoom:
max.ap.diam (wide): 10.9/1.7 = 6.4mm (f/3.7 eq.ff.dof)
max.ap.diam (tele): 34/2.8 = 12.1mm (f/6.2 eq.ff.dof)
4k video (✓) ... manual? (✓) or auto only? (x)
AE comp 1/3 increments (✓)
sdaniella, sometimes things are done the way they are, simply because of a legacy design they are evolving out of, because of common systems and the economics of using those, practicality, ease of design, manufacturing economics... and sometimes a design decision is made to just not compete with another model in the lineup, simple as that. They have nothing to do with what is possible or not possible as you seem to be so adamant about.
You of all people, who also studied in microprocessor design and also come from the computer industry as my entire family does, should know better.
Timmbits: @DPR:
it would be awesome, to see a head-to-head comparison,
between the G1Xii and the LX100.
(ditto for G7X versus RX100iii)
thanks Richard!
@DPR: sensor size is incorrect.
if the outer perimeter is being thrown away, it is obviously not the actual sensor size being used.
please correct the specs, so we can better compare with 1" sensor size.
(what is thrown away is quite irrelevant, because it's not being used - this is obviously because it's more economical to keep on using the same sensor than to incur higher manufacturing costs with a new one - so just give us the actual dimensions of what is alive, not the "dead matter"!)
In a world where everything is done via digital editing effects, there are many features I see advertised that can simply be accomplished with a small aperture, and defocusing effect in Lightroom or whatever.
As mentioned by HenryT macro might be the killer app for this technology.
HenryTt: Can you imagine a good macro camera with this feature? Imagine a macro of a praying mantis or the pistil of a flower with all the intended parts in focus!
I suspect that if you had a decent sensor at least at the level of current aps-c and a quality lens element, you could charge $10K+ for a good macro camera that allowed infinite depth of field.
I think you have hit the nail on the head... the one application where you can't substitute with software editing effects.
gmke: Obviously, the Nikon 1 does not belong in this group because it doesn't look like an SLR. Serious, it doesn't belong at all, because of its many photographic shortcomings. A flagship? It is a rowboat only a Nikophant could love. DP says the category is for cameras with photographic prowess that fits up against, just below enthusiast full frame. Bah.
the camera selection in the other category, "high end compacts" with a "large sensor (larger than smartphone)" is wrong too.
it's a bit ridiculous, really.
@DPR, with a title like that "High End Compact Roundup"...
one would expect an Actual Roundup of High-End compacts.
But no... 3 out of 6 have a tiny sensor, 1 has a very small sensor, of which none are "high end"... only 2 out of 6 is a failing mark in everyone's book.
Who composes your article titles? Someone who used to work in a paparazzi sensationalism newsroom?
A more apt title would have been simply "Xmas gift ideas" I know it sounds disappointing... but so is the roundup.
PS: " large sensors (compared to those in smartphones)" seriously, anything larger than a smartphone sensor is a "large sensor"? When did this new standard come about?
Jennyhappy2: Ricoh GR will be covered in a separate Roundup as noted below since its a fixed focal length.
with the new compacts, is the GR still relevant?
(wait, I'll read the reviews to find out)
Wish they had this for Samsung NC mount too.
...then again, they might not sell any, given that the excellent Samsung 45mm, (albeit) f1.8 goes for only $200.
Timmbits: Given the size of this thing... a little massive for a very small sensor camera by today's standards, I feel disappointed that Fuji isn't offering a 1" sensor or larger. I might even prefer a 1" from Nikon with lower megapixel count, for the larger photosites, rather than a 1" Sony sensor.
ps: it is the size of a G1Xii or LX100
Timmbits: @DPR:
it would be awesome, to see a head-to-head comparison,
between the G1Xii and the LX100.
(ditto for G7X versus RX100iii)
JDit: Went to the store excited to test the camera. Everything went well until I tried to trigger camera by IPad in silent camera mode. IPad remote trigger over rides the camera silent mode and camera "clicks". The camera on it's own trigger was silent. As soon as IPad was triggering it, G1X II was not silent any longer?
Does anybody has comment on this or possible remedy?
Thank you
posible remedies:
* buy android tablet.
* wait until apple gets it right.
* find (or write) a different app
don't expect the camera, being controlled by something, and doing what it is told, to be able to correct the apple app.
RandallS12: The DPreview reviewer published video quality comment for the review of the Canon Powershot G1 X MK II states "Low resolution video with strong moiré" and is in direct contrast to the Consumer Reports test of the same camera. CR test results of this same camera state "Video quality is excellent, better than most models" and also from the same CR test is the comment that the camera "is the first advanced model we've tested that had excellent image quality across the board: photos taken without a flash, flash photos, and video. What makes this significant is not just that it scored so high in all three categories, but that it scored higher overall than all our tested SLRs and mirror less models."
Is it possible something was defective in the camera used for the DPreview test? CR is world renowned for the stringent and demanding quality of it's excellent testing procedures. Wy such an opposite result for the same Canon G1 X MK II camera from two highly reputable organizations?
the problem with websites like consumer reports,
is, how can you tell if these are camera testers testing vacuum cleaners, or if they are vacuum-cleaner testers testing cameras?
in situations of doubt, get confirmation from imaging-resource, not consumer or electronics reports.
it would be awesome, to see a head-to-head comparison,
between the G1Xii and the LX100.
(ditto for G7X versus RX100iii)
Timmbits: At that focal length is the test-scene shot?
Remembering my Fuji X-S1, which was very good with portraits, but fuzzy on the long end, I realise the uselessness of this test scene, if it only shows the lens at one given focal length.
Indeed, it may be showing the camera at it's best, at it's worse, or somewhere between, and this would be the case for most, but completely random from one model to another, whether it's showing it at it's best or worse.
@dpr: btw... for a test scene, try and keep the objects in the same position, will you? (I see the bottle has been rotated, and not all items seem to appear in the same spot from camera to camera.
imaging-resource is definitely an awesome site, for checking something out more thoroughly, before you actually pay for something.
what DPR offers, is more interactivity with the community, as we are doing here right now. that, and a nice black background so easier on the eyes.
that's why I like to use both.
@Richard: thanks for the info. but I still feel that you guys should offer the test images in various focal lengths. especially for fixed-lens long zoom cameras, where the optical IQ can vary quite radically as you zoom in and out.
I understand that it's more work - of course it is - but it would give a significant boost to the thoroughness of the reviews, more than any works could say.
maxnimo: Horrible lens! Probably has plastic elements full of mold and mildew. And full of scratches too. And must be blurry all over. Probably can't even do color and has zero bokeh. Yuck!
But what if I'm wrong? What if this lens performs better than a Leica?
you might have thought of what this might do to your credibility.
next time, say credible things. that matter.
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To differentiate their products and present customized options to consumers, european manufacturers are developing feature-rich appliances using the latest motor technology.
Motori e sistemi di ventilazione Per differenziare i loro elettrodomestici dai prodotti della concorrenza, alcuni produttori sono al lavoro con i fornitori di comandi e motori per sviluppare apparecchiature in grado di combinare performance elevate e risparmio energetico. Vengono qui presentati alcuni degli avanzamenti tecnologici incorporati dalle aziende produttrici di elettrodomestici nei progetti di prodotti più recenti Motoren und Luft bewegende Geräte Um ihre Geräte von der Konkurrenz abzuheben, arbeiten die Hersteller von Haushaltsgeräten gemeinsam mit ihren Lieferanten von Motoren und Regelsystemen an der Herstellung leistungsstarker und energiesparender Geräte. In der Folge einige Beispiele für die technologischen Neuerungen, die die Hersteller von Haushaltsgeräten in ihren jüngsten Produktdesigns verwendet haben. Moteurs et appareils de ventilation Afin de différencier leurs produits électroménagers de ceux de la concurrence, les fabricants de ce secteur collaborent étroitement avec les fournisseurs de moteurs et de dispositifs de contrôle dans le but de développer des appareils électroménagers éconergétiques de haute performance. Vous pouvez découvrir ci-après quelques examples des progrès technologiques incorporés par les constructeurs d'appareils électroménagers dans leurs toutes dernières conceptions de produits.
Johnson Electric's high-voltage PMDC motor provided Electrolux with a solution that was more cost effective than traditional induction and synchronous motors typically used in dishwasher applications.
OEMs and suppliers agree that the use of d.c. motors helps bring intelligence and efficiency to appliance applications while increasing the performance level of the product. Two appliance makers have recently integrated the technology into their dishwashers—one using a brushless permanent magnet d.c. (PM-BLDC) motor the other choosing a high-voltage permanent d.c. (PMDC) motor, each providing consumers distinct features. Appliance maker Arçelik (Istanbul, Turkey) recently started using a variable-speed, PM-BLDC motor in its dishwashers after using the technology in its washing machines for several years. According to a paper by Songül Bayraktar, mechanical engineer, and Orhan Diril, R&D specialist and electrical engineer, the most evident benefits in using the variable-speed control in the dishwasher were improvements in consumption values, cleaning performance, and the operating noise level. Another appliance maker is achieving similar results. With the help of motor supplier Johnson Electric (Hong Kong, China), Swedish appliance maker Electrolux enhanced its dishwasher performance by creating an entirely new motor, stepping away from traditionally used induction motors. Engineers from both Johnson Electric and Electrolux decided that in order to meet consumer needs, the new motor had to feature variable-speed, high torque speeds, and greater efficiency. The answer, according to Johnson Electric, was a high-voltage PMDC motor.
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Turkish appliance maker Arçelik has integrated a variable-speed drive system with a PM-BLDC motor into its dishwashers, which the company was previously using in its washing machines.
Both Arçelik and Johnson Electric say the use of a d.c. motor is innovative in dishwasher applications and provides several options and features to consumers. "PM-BLDC motors provide variable wash pressures or flow rates," Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril write in their paper. "Adjusting spray pressures regarding the requirements of the washing step allows for water conservation. Together with the high-energy efficiency of the motor and the possibility of reducing wash power at certain wash steps, considerable reduction in energy consumption is obtained." Johnson Electric used a program to replace induction and synchronous motors with a high-voltage PMDC motor to create a versatile water pump in Electrolux's Frigidaire brand of dishwashers. This, according to the supplier, made the new dishwasher versatile and efficient. "The design allows some washes to be completed in 50 percent less time than the normal cycle," T. George Walkden, director of New Accounts Development for Appliances of Johnson Electric explains. "Because of the ability of the motor to provide more washing power, in some applications, the design allows some washes to be completed in four cycles instead of five, thereby reducing the need for an extra cycle in addition to using less water and less electricity." Both Arçelik and Johnson Electric say cleaning performance has also improved with the use of PMDC motors. This is achieved with changeable spray forces. According to the companies, the ideal cleaning performance can successfully remove food and debris from plates and tableware, while at the same time, gently cleaning more delicate glassware. In Arçelik's new dishwasher, glasses are washed with low jet pressures to prevent scratches, while pots and pans are cleaned with high jet pressures to remove harder soils. According to Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril, the variable-speed pump motor combined with an alternating spray system allows the unit to wash crystals and pans in the same program. Johnson Electric adds that typically, dishwashers have a water pressure limit, and pots and pans do not get completely cleaned. However, in Electrolux's dishwasher, the variable-speed motor helps to clean even the dirtiest objects. "A speed-controlled motor/pump adds a new dimension to the washing cycle," Mr. Walkden says. "By controlling the power of the water jets, as well as temperature and duration, the machine could be made suitable for all loads, from the most delicate bone china to the toughest cooking pans." Both Arçelik and Electrolux say their dishwashers achieve quiet operation with the use of the PMDC motors. Arçelik's dishwasher features several operating modes, including a "night" option that reportedly reduces splash and motor noises without increasing the cycle time. "The motor has no hum at 50 to 60 Hz so the noise level of the machine decreases," Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril say in their paper. The "fast" option, they add, "increases the mechanical effects and, therefore, shortens the soil removing time and decreases the program duration with an increase in energy consumption." Electrolux says that reducing the noise level of its product was traditionally a challenge because all motors using a.c. power will create a "hum" due to the harmonics and base supply frequency. "The use of a large capacitor to smooth the rectified current succeeded in damping out most of this low-frequency hum in the PMDC motor," Mr. Walkden says. Since the motor used in Electrolux's application contains brushes, the supplier said it matched the geometry and material of the brush to the geometry and surface finishes of the commutator. This, combined with the capacitor, helped reduce the overall noise levels and also increased motor reliability as it reduced brush wear.
Introducing a new automated epoxy unbalance correction system, Schenck RoTec GmbH (Darmstadt, Germany) and Schenck Trebel Corporation (Deer Park, NY, U.S.) say their testing system provides the exact amount of material required to provide fast and accurate motor correction. The equipment transmits the magnitude and angular position of unbalance to a correction station, where the rotor is then indexed to the correction position. A resin material is then applied to the rotor in accuracy of a few milligrams, where UV light is then used to harden the added material in 3 to 5 sec.
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The use of PM motors is also said to help increase the energy efficiency of the appliance. "Permanent magnet motors do not consume electrical power to excite a magnetic field, so there are no excitation losses resulting in a substantial increase of efficiency," according to the paper by Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril. "Compared with conventional motors, PM motors yield higher torque or output power per volume unit, have a better dynamic performance, and are better controlled." In a variable-speed drive, the main requirement is to regulate the speed with an electronic control system over a wide range. Arçelik says its dishwasher employs an additional electronic control system with speed feedback for a precise control loop. In addition, the variable-speed drive system can be adapted to regulate the speed of the dishwasher pumps by using the PM-BLDC motor. In the drive system, a power converter is deployed as an interface between power supply and motor. According to the paper authors, the power converter can be considered two parts—the power electronic converter and the control electronics. "The power converter ensures the phase windings to be driven in proper sequence by appropriate currents," Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril state. "Timing of the sequence must be determined according to rotor position. To achieve this, accurate rotor position information is needed that may be provided either directly by a sensor (magnet or optical) coupled to the rotor or indirectly without sensors by evaluating electrical parameters such as current and voltages." Ms. Bayraktar and Mr. Diril also believe that using a sensorless control is more advantageous, as there are no additional costs and the part's reliability is increased, as no connecting cables are used. However, the authors say that with a sensorless control, hardware and software for the rotor position estimation can become more complex, especially under loads when special measures are needed to ensure smooth rotor propellation. Through the use of a cost-effective microcontroller with the electronic unit, Arçelik says it has developed a system that produces information regarding the rotor position. For Electrolux, its motor produced greater efficiency in terms of percentages of output to input power. "Unlike many induction motors or synchronous motors, the high-voltage PMDC motors can boast efficiencies reaching 80 percent to 90 percent of output power to input power," explains Mr. Walkden. Electrolux also wanted a motor solution that was capable of a high-starting torque to overcome the static friction of seals. According to Johnson Electric, a high-voltage PMDC motor design develops its greatest torque at stall or start-up and could produce more than enough torque to drive the pumps through full start-up resistance. Also, the supplier says its motor achieves higher working speeds. "Unlike induction and synchronous motors whose speed is determined by the supply frequency (60 Hz in the U.S. and 50 Hz in Europe), the PM motor can be designed to have relatively high no-load and working-load speeds," Mr. Walkden explains. Johnson Electric also says its high-voltage PMDC motor achieves higher ratios of output power to volume and weight, consequently increasing the performance of the product at a better cost. "The need for less material combined with the economy of scale created by a mass-producer yields a cost-effective motor," Mr. Walkden says. "The total cost of a high-voltage PMDC motor with rectifiers is lower cost than an induction or synchronous motor with controls."
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Two foreign journalists freed after 15 months in captivity in Somalia have been receiving medical care in neighboring Kenya, Canada's ambassador said.
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Two foreign journalists freed after 15 months in captivity in Somalia have been receiving medical care in neighboring Kenya, Canada's ambassador said.
Canadian Amanda Lindhout and Australian Nigel Brennan flew out of the Somali capital, Mogadishu, in a chartered plane early Thursday. Later in the day, Lindhout and Brennan arrived in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, and were taken to a hospital.
"They are receiving the best possible care they can," Ross Hynes, Canada's ambassador to Kenya, told The Associated Press. He declined to give more details. Brennan is reported to have said he was pistol whipped and locked in chains for months during the time he was held hostage.
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper welcomed Lindhout's release.
"We are ensuring that she receives all available consular support and assistance following her ordeal," Harper said in a statement Thursday. "Ms. Lindhout has been through an extremely difficult time. We are thankful that she will soon be reunited with her family and friends."
He said that the Canadian government was not involved in ransom negotiations and urged Canadians not to travel to Somalia.
Before leaving Mogadishu, Lindhout and Brennan met with Somalia's Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke, who said the journalists had been held in a part of Mogadishu controlled by Islamic insurgents.
"As you were suffering in a part of the capital controlled by the insurgents, we were worried about you in our part of the capital," Sharmarke said in remarks aired on the state-owned Radio Mogadishu. "We could do nothing but negotiate. Your safety was important."
At that meeting Lindhout was wearing a brown head-to-toe abaya and Brennan had grown a long beard.
Lindhout and Brennan were released on Wednesday. Police spokesman Col. Abdullahi Hassan Barise declined to say if a ransom was paid for their release.
A police officer and a lawmaker said late Wednesday that a $700,000 ransom was paid for the two journalists' release. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media on the issue. It was not possible to independently verify their claim.
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cment Posts: 15I looked online, called a few dealers and tried to close deals with three successive dealerships.
First one was the closest and getting calls back from him was spotty at best. Second was a flashy dealership on route one. Expansive showroom and quality furnished. I actually placed an order that he told me was really just giving me the right to first refusal. The order never came and did not look like it would any time soon. I needed a car, the dealer could have tied me into a deal by providing me some help with a loaner, but they may have held out little hope of getting a Freestyle LTD FWD build any time soon.
During Presidents day week end I spotted an LTD AWD 7 seating and all the options Merlot advertised for $4,500 under list. I went on line and and saw no car to match it in dealer two's inventory. Perhaps if I pushed I might have knocked it down more. Dealership number three was at the edge of a suburban town center, your basic lot with a brick and cinder block building and a rather stark interior. We closed in an hour, I got the ford 2.9 loan rate and two days later drove away with what I wanted. Price 30,200 -
bandman1 Posts: 1I'm intersted in a Freestyle SE without any additional options. I'll be using this car for my work so I'm not getting carried away. I answered an ad here in the DFW area that listed a fairly good RCO deal (total price being at market value, not sticker)obviously quoting a price for a base SE. That was 6 days ago. At first the salesperson claimed they didn't know of the advertisement even though it took up a half-page in the Dallas Morning News.
Every step of the way since then has been taken by me. Getting a call back is an act of God although I've visited the Dealership, took a test drive, showed them the ad, and agreed to buy. These people obviously don't want to own up to there own publicized offer. I guess the idea here is to get people on the lot and try to sell them into a higher trim line or at least add options. I made it obvious from the get-go that the base SE was what I wanted, nothing more. This musn't agree with their bottom line.
I love the Freestyle but this first experience with Ford is really getting me dark. Don't these people want SOME money? Frankly, I don't see a lot of Freebies on the road. The crossover/small suv segment is mighty crowded and the Freebie is a new player. You would think they would want to try to get some out there so people could see them.
I bet If I'd walked out there without doing any research and paid sticker at some ridiculous interest rate we would have already closed. Does anyone have any idea as to my options? -
txfreestyling Posts: 1In reply to bandman1, I purchased a an SE with the safety, heating, and convenience package at Town East Ford in Mesquite. I initiated contact through the internet and received constant and caring attention. They even feature a "make your own bid" option if you prefer that to the haggle experience.
We received an internet shopper discount of $500, which I qualified for by using the forddirect site and asking for more information. Note: I did not receive any indication from Ford that I was eligible for this rebate-- I got this tip from this message board. But since I was an internet contact they checked and I was "on the list."
Town East Ford regularly has ads in the paper for a basic SE (no options) and they had a couple on the lot recently. If they don't have one in their ad, I would take the competitors add to them and ask them to match-- you have nothing to lose.
We got a discount of approximately $2500 off of the sticker price plus the $500 rebate. The Freestyle with the options we wanted was not in stock and had to be driven up here from near Corpus, so we felt we got a good price. -
aspesisteve Posts: 833i had the same experience with Ford while shopping for an '04 F150 last year. All I wanted was the dealer to honor what was advertised. It was one of those deals for all in stock - not just one at that price. They pretended that it couldn't be. I walked and found another dealer who said he would match it, but again ran into another dealer saying the price must be a mistake once I showed up. Third dealer finally took my offer. The whole process was so mind boggling and the sad thing is it happens at just about every dealer - they just don't know how to deal straight up.
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rachel_35 Posts: 6On March 31, I bought a Freestyle Limited AWD, fully loaded, black exterior with pebble interior. Bought from Bredemann Ford in Illinois, where I walked in and test drove the vehicle. Solicited three other bids through the Edmunds site. One of the other three offered me MSRP, one did not have the model I sought with captains chairs in the second row on the lot, and the third offered about $1,000 under dealer invoice, but it did not have the reverse sensor on it and it was considerably further from my home.
I paid $500 under dealer invoice. My sales guy told me there was some sort of unpublished dealer promotion. I'm sure they made money off me anyway. This was my first experience buying a car, never mind a new one, so I don't think I did too badly. -
skovatch Posts: 24Today I signed the paperwork for a 2-year lease on a Titanium Green/Shale leather SEL from Marshall Ford in Cleveland. I drove one a while ago and today my wife agreed to try it out, mainly to make sure she didn't absolutely hate it. It wasn't our intention to actually buy a car today, but I had pretty much made up my mind at this point. My experience may not be typical, since I bought it under the X-plan, but I did get .25% on the lease for 24 months, and $1000 back for X-plan purchasers (I suspect A/Z have a similar deal as well, but don't know for sure.) I had done enough research on forddirect.com that I knew what features I wanted, and once I agreed to the lease we found exactly what I wanted (colors, front row comfort, leather, safety package, 2nd floor console) about an hour and a half away. I should get it Monday. Everything went smoothly, and since I didn't trade in anything I felt pretty good at the end of the whole process. I have to admit, I've never leased before because there's always some odd charge lurking at the end of the deal. The only thing I paid for that I have some regret about now is an extra $500 for a higher excess wear and tear limit ($2500), but considering a Honda balloon payment deal I used a few years ago had a $100 limit that's not that bad.
I did not do much comparison with other dealers since I had the X-plan, and I liked my salesperson and her manager. We considered having a look at a 2004 Volvo V70, but in the end I'm much happier with the Freestyle. Oh, and one nice touch: As I mentioned, I didn't drive it home because the car has to come in from another dealer. Marshall is not unreasonably far away from me, but my wife would have had to adjust her schedule to get me out there tomorrow. So, the dealer lent me another Freestyle with a dealer plate that I'm keeping overnight, and will just drive back out tomorrow when the car gets here. Very nice! Of course, this evening I picked up the cold my daughter had last week and now feel horrible, so hopefully I will return it tomorrow.
So, in summary, if you're in the midwest and can use one of Ford's plans, you might want to consider buying by the end of April (2005) while the financing and rebates are still in effect. I guess the main thing I learned this time is that if you go into a dealer knowing exactly what you want, with invoice information in hand and a clear idea of how much the dealer will get when you're done, you can have a smooth, reasonably positive experience. Can't wait to do some real driving! -
tim156 Posts: 308I first checked out the Freestyle when I was at the dealer having transmission additive put in to my 2004 Ranger. The impression I got from a salesman there was the sticker price was firm because the car was new and popular. After researching and searching on the Internet I returned to another no haggle dealer (Apple Valley Ford, south of Minneapolis) to possibly purchase. Four hours later I drove off with a new Freestyle for $1100.00 under invoice. I figure Ford knows this car is going to be popular and in big demand when the word gets out. Checking fordvehicles.com there are still no incentives or rebates. I compared prices from Internet dealers and feel I got the best price at the time. For financial reasons I purchased the SE, FWD. It comes with so many standard features I'm very satisfied. I expect fewer deals as demand increases.
dgruver Posts: 1I am in the proccess of buying a Freestyle on the internet. I am in Minnesota and have been checking out ads in Illinios. Have found some great deals in there ads, which they never honor. I was interested in a ad for a SE FWD for 20638.00, thats more than 5000.00 off MSRP for the options it had. After two emails got no reply, I called a salesman he said its still for sale and all I have to do is bring the money and its mine. After a hour I call back and he tells me there is a incentive I don't quailify for because I'm not a Chicago resident and he needs a extra 1500.00. A week later I see the same ad still running with the same stk no. I call again, talk to a different salesman he tells me the vehicle is still for sale and has never heard about any local incentive. I was interested in a Black colored car, the one in the ad was Red he said he might be able to switch colors and would call me tommarrow. Today he says, the Red car sold last night as I was on the phone with him and the black car would cost 1500.00 more, Isn't that a surprize.
They run these ads and if anyone gets a little to close to buying the vehicle they do a dealer trade. As soon as I find this vehicles vin on another Ford dealers inventory, me and the Attorney General are going to have a chat. -
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phreddy Posts: 1:blush: Wonderful experience with Jim Keim Ford in Hilliard, Ohio on purchase of 2005 Freestyle Limited (and a 2005 Escape Limited)....If you're in this area, we highly recommend this dealership.
:confuse: Have to share though that we first went to the Ford Dealership we have used for over 20 years but no follow up form them to internet requests, phone calls, or faxes. You would think that more interest would be shown when you test drive, request additional information, AND you're buying 2 new vehicles.
Went to other Ford dealership that we bought our last Ford from - still great difficulty with responses. We had located EXACT vehicles on Internet and faxed info to them. For some reason, they couldn't get the Freestyle I wanted, but did manage to get one similar to the one my husband wanted. :mad: Husband walked out of that dealership when they refused to give FMC financing at rate (per Ford Direct website) and tried to push 5.4% bank financing saying they couldn't do the "deal" any other way. At the same time, I'm at Jim Keim getting my Freestyle below factory invoice....and after quick call from my husband, he ended up at Jim Keim and got excellent deal on 05 Escape.
I was so fed up with other two dealerships that I located the vehicle I wanted by Internet search, called Jim Keim and they went and were able to secure that vehicle from dealership outside of this area. The same day, I arrived at the dealership at 4:00 p.m., and my husband then by 7:30 p.m. We were out by 10:00 p.m. - both deals done. Both deals with the price below factory invoice and with the FMC financing we had researched. The dealership really went the extra mile for us and was successful in restoring some confidence in the car buying experience in my husband. :shades:
I highly recommend Internet search of inventory and finding out if your preferred dealership will "deal" with that dealership - i.e. trade inventory. With few exceptions, dealerships in same central area won't trade inventory so you have to go outside your central area in search of inventory. -
pebbles1 Posts: 1This is expensive but worth it if you have expensive bikes or suspension mountain bikes.
Install a 2 inch receiver hitch. Get a Sportsrack or I believe Saris makes a similar design. Those racks hold the wheels on a wheel tray or hoop with a ratcheted arm, no frame contact. No whelel removal. No contact with other bikes if carelfully adjusted. They work with any bicycle that has two wheels. (I think that is the basic definition of bicycle.) I have a Cannondale Lefty, my kids have smaller wheels, 20 and 24 with odd frame configuration and they all work just fine. I have put receiver hitch on a PT Cruiser, my current car, wihtout a problem, as well as a number of vans. The hitch will cost about $300 installed and a four bike hitch about $500. Expensive, but the rack has a long life and can't be beat for ease of use and ability to hold any bike. -
markwo Posts: 1I bought the car yesterday using xplan pricing through my employer, so i was already ~2100 under asking price @ 24488. to my surprise and delight, there was an unadertised or recently added rebate of 1500 from Ford, so i got the car for about 23. bought it at Lithia and found it to be a pleasant experience overall--no fun and games with the pricing, haggling, etc. they had a good selection and was able to get the car in the trim level (SE) with the options i wanted (side airbags).
I'm probably not one to judge since the Freestyle replaces my wife's 10 year old Accord and I drive a 1992 Mazda, but the car seems very nicely equipped and well-thought out as far as interior conveniences and so on. Maybe all cars come with this stuff now, but this car appears to be an ideal solution for us and should be able to grow with us over the coming years (2 adults, 3 kids ages 2, 4, and 6).
small downside was being continually badgered to buy an extended service plan. c'mon, i drive 6,000 miles a year--that gets me through 6 years until the warranty miles are up. I know the warranty will expire before I get to that mileage but if Ford will cover it for that long as part of its standard warranty, i ought to be OK. -
njdevilsrn Posts: 185After a good deal of hesitation, and some perspiration on the brow, I signed on for a 2005 Freestyle SE FWD yesterday. Replaced a 2000 Explorer that I had half a mind to do some things with that would probably have me wound up in jail.
So far, so good - last 2 cars that I had that were dogs had several things wrong right off the bat, so this is a good thing.
Has anyone added an aftermarket DVD player to their Freestyle, if so what kind and about what did it run?
MSRP - 26465, paid 22600. -
lanbaba Posts: 45Got out of the dealer's lot with a fully loaded Limited AWD. Paid 30k before tax, reg, etc, more than 1500 under invoice. compared with several dealers and they were all offering the similar price after price match each other. SInce ford has a 500 dealer rebate till today, I'm pretty sure my delaer made some money.
jrtexas Posts: 13Picked up my Pueblo Gold SE yesterday. Bought it online from Randall Noe Ford in Terrell Texas, about 45 miles east of Dallas. They're a high volume, low overhead dealership. Price quote from their internet sales manager was $22,900, which was $3,760 below sticker. Also had a $500 discount from FMC that was included in a Freestyle brochure I had requested online so the total price was more than $4,000 below sticker. I also traded in my old car and their tradein value was about what I had planned on.
Would definitely recommend Randall Noe for those in the DFW area who don't mind driving the extra miles. Their staff was friendly and efficient. -
sparcat Posts: 6I leased my Freebie AWD LTD from Freehold Ford (X-Plan price) back in January, even though Oasis is closer to my home. I have purchased other vehicles from Oasis in the past, but never again !
Freehold contacted me after I inquired for a price over the internet. I would deal with them again ! -
bigdeezy Posts: 4Purchase a Freestyle using the X-plan last week. Black Limited, black interior. MSRP 32,350 (approx)
Invoice 30,030
X-Plan 29,919
Plus $1,000 Ford rebate and good finance rates or total was under $29K. No haggling, nice experience. Purchased from a dealership in Denver.
I'm not the one to haggle, cause I might end up in jail on an assault charge! :P -
osubeaver Posts: 1Purschased a SEL FWD w/ moonroof last week for $23,890 which is $4,000 off the MSRP. The dealer was very fair on the trade in car which had over 100,000 miles and easy to work with on the purchase. I highly reccommend Courtesy Ford in Portland OR.
After the first 400 miles, this car has been a great buy and my family loves the third row and comfortable ride. The cvt is great! :shades: -
cmuniz Posts: 604Just purchased a LImited AWD Merlot in Morganton and had a great purchasing experience. Was able to get the A Plan price since my son-in-law works for Ford plus a $1,000 rebate plus 1.9%, 36 month Ford Credit financing. They gave me fair value for my trade-in with no haggling. So far so good. My understanding is that Ford's inventory of SELs is larger than Limiteds so dealers should be more eager to deal on SELs.
dgulino Posts: 38Just purchased (on June 8) a brand new SE ("redfire" paint--had to have the red paint!) from Don Wood Ford in Athens, Ohio. Very nice buying experience. He had five Freestyles on the lot, including at least one each of an SE, SEL, and Limited. We went for the SE because we did not want the moon-roof and so forth that came with the top-line model, and the differences in options between the SE and SEL we looked at it didn't seem to be worth the price.
Even the base model gives you lots of options, including keyless entry, remote keyless entry, A/C, luggage rack, traction-control, AM/FM/CD, cruise-control, and power windows, locks, and driver's seat. We preferred the second-row seats with no center console. It makes the second row seats seem more open and makes access to the third row seats easier.
Once we settled on the exact one we wanted, the salesman showed us the list price, his dealer invoice price, the amount of the hold-back, and the amount that the dealer wanted to make on the sale. All of his figures agreed with what I had researched earlier, and I greatly appreciated the transparency of the whole thing. He also brought to our attention that Ford had just introduced a new incentive plan with 0% financing for up to five years or a $1000 rebate. We went with the 0% financing over the full five years (any reason NOT to do this?).
He gave us more than I was expecting on our trade-in, so I signed the papers without hesitation, and we drove it home that night.
After four days of ownership, so far so good, but we have noticed a few peculiarities. First, the car seems very airtight, which causes the last door to be closed to have to be slammed harder than you think should be necessary. On more than one occasion we have driven off only to find that one of the doors was still ajar, even though it was apparently closed enough to cause the dome-light to go off and thus the "door ajar" light on the dash to not go on.
Second, I've read about the peculiar sound of the turn signals--sort of like the sound made by a wooden clothespin being snapped. It is a bit of throwback, but you get used to it, and you certainly know the turn signals are on!
Third is the CV-transmission, but this is a positive thing. I LOVE it. If you hadn't told me that the car doesn't go through the traditional gear shifting as you accelerate, I never would have known that it wasn't shifting in the traditional day. We had an '03 Sable which shifted so smoothly that you never felt the shifts, either, and this is what the Freestyle's CVT feels like. There's no "getting used to it" or anything like what the popular press reviews of this car have said. It took no getting used to at all. On the other hand, there is a little bit of a whine from the transmission when going in reverse, but one is usually not in reverse for very long.
Fourth, what IS the deal on that big hand-hold on the passenger side of the dash? Are we expecting to be cornering at 90 mph in this thing? I don't think so. Exactly what did Ford have in mind when it decided to include this?
Fifth, no courtesy light in the glovebox. Seems cheap. Of course, it isn't a very large glovebox, so you're not likely to keep much in it, anyway. Plus the storage bin with the pop-up lid on the top of the dash gives some handy additional storage.
Overall, we're very satisfied so far. -
buyone Posts: 5I have seen all the issues you have in yours. I do disagree with the use of the handle though. My mother is 70 and finds it is better than reaching up and attempting to find the hanle on the roof. Also my short wife finds that it is easier to move the seat forward after my taller son gets out...
As far as the CVT goes, try this on a large hill. Most drivers ride the brake at least part of the way down a hill. Next time you go down a hill DONT touch the brake and take note to what CVT and the engine do....It is a tough habit to break after all the years with standard trannys. -
dgulino Posts: 38Thanks for the input.
About the handle, I'm happy to hear that your family finds it useful, but if it's there for the reasons you state, why haven't we seen handles like this in all vehicles for the last 50 years? Ford must have had some other reason for including it
I will try what you suggest with the CVT on hills.. -
rincon1840 Posts: 7We purchased a SEL AWD from Art Hill Ford in Merrillville, IN. I went back the the salesman who sold me my 2000 Focus. We were eligible for the X-plan. MSRP was 33,XXX. X-plan was right over 30K, plus there was a 1500 rebate. I think we came to around $28,900. Lots of options made this SEL so high, but it had everything we wanted (didn't need the reverse sensors, but we have them). We were out looking on Memorial Day because of Memorial Day incentives (yes, they were closed). My wife found the car sitting off on the side of the lot. Our sales experience was good, but since the dealer used a wholesaler for our trade, we were getting low-balled with little movement. I was out of town, so my wife did the haggling with me on cell-phone alert. She managed to get more on the trade; closer to the NADA trade-in value. Then the finance manager extended warranty haggle. We were set on getting an extended warranty, especially since the CVT is knew to Ford and unproven and it's a first year vehicle (the Focus suffered horribly for it's first two years; I luckily got an exceptional Focus). He started at $1900 for 6/75,000. Wife got him down to $1425, which is pretty much standard for what I have researched from other dealers. 3.9% financing for 60 mos. The Memorial Day special included two years of free maintenence, a first for Ford. We were supposed to have 90 days/no payments, but to get the monthly down, we cut that in half. What Ford does is if you do a 60 month loan with a 90-day no pay, your loan becomes 57 months, which causes your payments to increase (3 missing payments spread out). Now I notice 0% financing and rebates, so better deals can be had out there. BTW, when I told him we were eligible for the X-plan, he printed out and gave to me a list of all the invoice/MSRP costs for everything on the car, plus all the "plan" prices listed at the bottom. It's basically no-haggle pricing. Since our SEL was a more expensive model, we did check on the LTD--some of which were actually cheaper--but they all had black leather inside (ours is shale) and the X-plan rebate was only $1000 (versus the $1500 for SEL models). I would like to have the Audiophile sound & heated seats, but the SEL is pretty nice. We're both very happy with the car. We'll probably drive it down the the US Grand Prix this weekend for a more extended trip. I can't believe I have two Fords in my garage....
lanbaba Posts: 45I shopped around several dealers with email first, and used the quirk's price at boston global as a base line. Then you can further reduce the price for a few hundred dollars. Since ford is offering 0%apr now and have 1000 rebate (I don't know if you can combine them or not), you should get a better deal than me. I finally wrap the deal at sentry ford, and I ONLY went to the dealership to wrap up the deal, the price negotiation is done in the email.
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Setzer/Singer/Brong George Setzer of Monroe Co., married twice, his first wife was Elizabeth Siglin and 2nd to Barbara Singer, d/o Philip and Elizabeth (Brong) Singer, natives of Chestnut Hill, where the latter died. Children; Thomas J., 1848-1849, Samuel N., Amanda born 1855 and is the w/o Abram Hoffer of Jackson twp., and Sarah, born April 11, 1861, w/o Ervin Prutzman. Notify Administrator about this message?
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