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The cake is a lie: memes and what they say about our industry
The cake is a lie. Yes, you know what that's from: Portal. Incidentally, can you believe Portal's nearly six years old? But anyway, "The cake is a lie" became a meme and was thus granted immortality, albeit in that fleeting Internetty way. I really wish that I'd written those five words.
And in a similar, er, vein, "I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee." Which is from? Yep, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Now, this is a line very similar to many I've written for many swords-and-lords-type games. But, again, a meme and the writer now lives in a mansion with a computer-game-shaped swimming pool. Or so I like to believe.
When game writing muscles into the meme world, it says two things to me. Firstly, games are clearly universal enough to have earned their place there. To get memes, the people have to be au fait with where they come from. Secondly, the writing is confident enough not to seem too desperate. For, as we all know, cool doesn't try to be cool, and you can't really set out with the intention of writing a line that becomes effortlessly famous on the Internet. One does not simply walk into meme-ness.
The web is like a massive ant nest (bear with me here) and, of course, we are the ants. And like ants, we're far more alike than not. I know none of us wants to be seen as the same as anyone else, but really we are. We think alike, we enjoy things alike and, damn it, we take great pleasure in doing so, because it reinforces the impression that we're fine and as good as everyone else, and that we fit in, and we're part of a group. Honestly, it's true, even if you don't want it to be. You know that kinship you feel when you stumble onto something just as, or fractionally after, other clever people do? Yes, you'd be part of a cool elite for getting it and getting it first, but you're alone. The other cool dudes validate you and your judgement. Being alone creates self-doubt.
Even though a tsunami of information and entertainment crashes towards us all the time, it's amazing how much we seem to share our experiences globally. Liam Neeson's 'unique set of skills' schtick in Taken, the Skyrim and Portal lines, Totally Looks Like, rage comics and so on. It's part of what I know, and I dare say the same for you. And as I write game dialogue and text, there is, I cannot deny, a part of me that hopes certain lines, ideas or interchanges will hit the meme jackpot. There's a great joy in knowing something you've come up with has lodged in people's heads. It proves you've done it right.
Bruce Robinson once said that when he was filming Withnail & I, there was a moment when the crew, who hadn't given much away regarding their opinions of the movie till this point, all latched on with delight to Uncle Monty's line, "As a youth I used to weep in butchers' shops." When he heard them (over)using it to each other, he relaxed and for the first time started to believe the film would be a hit.
So as this deluge of digital stuff washes over us all, it is odd that we find ourselves sharing bits. Although notice that what we share are bits – almost literally bits. Tiny fragments. "War. War never changes", "Finish him!", "Someone set us up the bomb", "You must construct additional pylons." It's a shorthand. I quote one line. If you know it, we both know the game, or whatever. Plus the line I choose makes a point in a way that's far better than just saying it. If you know what I mean. Go on, think about it. I can wait. (Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold.)
Games are a big deal in all this because the net-savviest people tend to play games. Also, most of the quotable, out-of-context memes come from entertainment you invest a little more in than, say, just simple TV or pop songs. Movies and games resonate more with us because they're bigger, more engaging emotional events and we largely tend to feel the same way as we experience them.
As more and more games get this niche acceptance, the happier I am. As an industry, we've had an inferiority complex, off and on, for a long time. Truly, I believe that's gone now, and that we have realised that giant, epic, story-driven games are not competing with movies, and that little app-style games aren't lacking if they're not pretending to be giant, epic, story-driven games.
Note how game-based memes are never the full-on declaimed Brian Blessed-like classic lines, though. It's the quirky ones people share. The ones that make a comment on whatever the issue is that's currently under discussion. The psychology behind using obscure but vaguely applicable quotes to promote kinship and humour in a discussion is perhaps a different subject altogether. "Our princess is in another castle!"
So in my quest to get a line into the world of memes, I can only do the following. First, keep them short. "None shall pass." Make them highly applicable. "Hadouken." Ideally, make them odd, so those not au fait with the source will have no idea what you're talking about. "You have died of dysentery." But make sure the people who do instantly know where they're from and what I'm trying to say. "Wakka wakka wakka."


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John Piper Interviews Matt Chandler
Interview conducted after the 2009 Desiring God Conference held in Minneapolis.
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By Daniel Burke and Livia Borghese, CNN
ROME (CNN) - Pope Francis' crusade against corruption in the Catholic Church, including an overhaul of the scandal-scarred Vatican Bank, has put the new pontiff in the Italian mafia's crosshairs, according to two organized crime experts.
"The strong will of Pope Francis, aiming to disrupt the gangrene power centers, puts him at risk. He disturbs the mafia very much," Nicola Gratteri, a top anti-mafia prosecutor in Italy, told CNN on Thursday.
"I don't have precise information about a plan of the mafia against Pope Francis," Gratteri continued. "But if I did, I wouldn't say."
Gratteri, a deputy prosecutor in Reggio Calabria, a city in southern Italy, is a well-known foe of Calabria's notorious mafia, known as 'Ndrangheta.
The mob's anger with the Pope centers on the Vatican Bank, which the new pontiff has tried to reform, according to experts on the Italian underworld.
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Vatican officials were not immediately available for comment. Earlier on Thursday, a Vatican spokesperson strongly denied any concerns about the Pope's safety.
"The Holy See is not at all worried," the Rev. Federico Lombardi told the French wire service Agence I.Media. "These are the usual inventions."
In May, the Vatican Bank, officially known as the Institute for Religious Works, issued its first-ever report on money laundering, an apparent attempt to improve its financial transparency.
The 64-page report details the Vatican's efforts to crack down on money laundering in particular, though it made no mention of mafia connections. The report found six charges of "suspicious activity" within the past year.
In June, the Pope established a five-person papal commission to investigate the activities of the Vatican Bank, which has been under pressure from international finance authorities to clean up its murky business practices.
A month later, Italian prosecutors arrested a priest who worked as a financial analyst for the Vatican, accusing him of trying to help smuggle tens of millions of euros across Europe using a private plane in July 2012. That same month, two top officials at the Vatican Bank resigned, as Italian prosecutors continued their three-year investigation into the bank.
The Catholic Church and the Italian mafia have a long and complicated history, said Antonio Nicaso, an expert on organized crime in Italy and co-author with Gratteri of a new book called "Holy Water," which explores the relationship between mobsters and the church.
Underworld gangsters often paid for local church repairs or bankrolled feast day celebrations for Catholic saints, Nicaso told CNN. In exchange, Catholic officials kept silent about their illicit deeds.
"The church never raised the issue," he said. "The church has never excommunicated a mobster."
More recently, the mafia used the Vatican Bank to smuggle money, Nicaso said, though he offered no specific evidence. The Pope's reforms threaten that arrangement and will anger organized crime, he added.
"We believe that this is an unprecedented challenge to the economic power center of the Vatican, and for that reason he may face some kind of risk," Nicaso said.
The Vatican has strongly denied any ties to the Italian mafia at the Vatican Bank or at any other church institution.
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The Pope's penchant for wading into the massive crowds who attend his speeches and events poses a particular security risk, Nicaso said.
"He has to be more cautious. He can't go walk around Vatican Square anymore like he's a normal person."
Asked if the mafia would dare try to assassinate such a popular figure, Nicaso said, "There are so many ways to kill a pope. They have to be careful. But in the history of organized crime, whenever they had to remove an obstacle, they never thought about the consequences."
In addition to the Vatican reforms, Francis in his speeches has taken aim at corruption, saying on Monday, for example, that a Christian "who gives to the church with one hand but steals with the other hand from the country, from the poor, is unjust."
The Pope then paraphrased Jesus, saying that it would be better for a corrupt person "if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea."
"He is changing the church," Nicaso said. "It is not a church of power and luxury anymore, and his promise to restructure [the Vatican Bank] is like a Copernican revolution."
Political Powers to Turn Against Babylon 15 The whole world of mankind is now about to face an awe-inspiring spectacle. This will be the turning of the political powers against Babylon the Great, with the aim of wiping her out of existence. This may sound heart paralyzing to people who sincerely believe that all religions are good. But the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah God, has determined that Babylon the Great has no place in all the universe and that she has befouled the realm of creation long enough. She must be violently brought down to utter destruction. 16 There are already on hand powerful agencies that God can allow to effect her destruction, namely, the political elements of the world. The God-inspired book of Revelation foretells that Jehovah will turn her lovers against her, and they will strip her naked, exposing her for what she really is—a demonized fraud! And then they will, so to speak, burn her with fire and reduce her to a pile of ashes. They will give her a treatment similar to what she gave to the uncompromising worshipers of the true God.—Revelation 17:15-18; 18:24. 17 This violent antireligious action on the part of the political powers does not mean that they will thereafter turn to the worship of Jehovah God. Their fierce anti-Babylon action does not mean that they will now become the friends of God. Otherwise they would not take the later action that the book of Revelation shows that they will take. (Revelation 17:12-14) They may rejoice immensely at the antireligious exploits that Jehovah God has permitted them to accomplish, but they will still continue to be misled by "the god of this system of things," Satan the Devil, the all-out, relentless opposer of Jehovah God.—2 Corinthians 4:4. 18 Babylon the Great will not survive to see the grand climax, the vindication of Jehovah's universal sovereignty by means of the "Prince of Peace," who is now the "Mighty God" at the right hand of the One Almighty and Supreme Deity, Jehovah.—Isaiah 9:6. 19 On the sidelines, under impenetrable divine protection, will be the witnesses of Jehovah. (Isaiah 43:10, 12) Under command from the righteous heavens, they will obediently have got out of Babylon the Great. (Revelation 18:4) Their righteous pleasure will be unbounded at what they witness. They will thereafter forever be witnesses of Jehovah and eternally be able to testify with regard to his vindication of himself over Babylon the Great.—Revelation 19:1-3.
If he(pope)is holy,he should dare & endeavour to fight against crime and corruption but if he's not,he should retrace his steps and not continue to be a hypocrite
Organized crime is angry at organized crime...the cath o lic church is a mafia in it's own right......compet ition for the dirty money they live on. Hypocrisy.
Those that bring about change will always face dangers.
Those who bring about change are always in danger.
Islam is the biggest threat to the Pope because he is opposite to the conduct of any Muslims priest/cleric or monarch.
That was quite a remark. It really shows your ignorance. It sounds like it is really YOU who hates in the name of his religion.
Islam is the biggest threat to everyone, even themselves. It is an insane ideology of hate and violence and oppression.
And yet here you are spouting off hate and defacto implying the necessary usage of violence (threat). You may have the freedom to speak, but you have the obligation to use your brain before you open your mouth.
I merely state the truth of the matter. You think I am implying other things, but that would be the sort of thinking you do, not me. You are measuring my words by your own violent stupidity. It only makes you look more stupid, but go ahead if you want...
He did not spout hate here, only truth: the Sunni's and the Shia's are not only preaching hate against each other, they're killing each other. He said nothing that requires thinking: Go ask any Sunni Iraqi and he'll tell you he hates Shia's. I've never seen someone so against the truth that anyone with eyes can see. Shia's will always hate the Sunni's for killing Hussein and Ali, Mohammad's prodigy. Sunni's will always hate Shia's because they refuse to accept the Hadiths as authentic and refuse to agree that Mohammad's successors were his friends.
I agree. The Muslim religion is a religion of the sword. If any Muslim disagrees and tries to make people believe their religion is a religion of peace, they aren't as faithful in their religion and don't really know it well enough.
What animals? Most of them, most notably mammals.
Elephants cry when then encounter the bones of dead elephants. They will feircly protect their band, co-operating. Dolphins and porpoises are among the animals that have recreational $ex. Rats will share food with strangers, will help a stranger out of a trap, nearly ALL social animals create language, culture, creating a society. This is not exclusive to humans at all, we see it ALL AROUND. Start with Jane Goodall. She was ridiculed for her ACCURATE identification of emotional connections within her chimps, and it has only taken off from there. Try studying things instead of your bible. For years, and to some extent even today, biologists and naturalists do not want to say it IS the same emotion, since the religious nuts will lambast them. Another case where religion stands in the way of what is really going on. You think that ONLY humans have emotion? You have not spent enough time among animals.
meant as reply to Cick Joke. ( He is the one who started crashing my good name...(simply turnabout)
CC and animals (kitties) and that spirit stuff = ?
Really took time to do your research, didn't you? While you're correct in some points, your thick skull is yet to grasp the key point of the debate. Yes, these animals display some sort of emotion, but only at an instinctual, primal level. Which of them demonstrates creative intelligence, what animals have the faculty of imagination, of intricate expressivity? It is not for nothing that Scripture says that God created man and gave him dominion over all things, in effect, giving him higher spiritual and mental qualities than mere animals
More wild assumption. You do not know the level that animals feel emotion. You do not know that humans are anything special, as a matter of fact there are many things other animals can do that humans cannot. That is part of the problem. You think that we are a special animal because our cognnitive ability is at a different level. To think that we are somehow special is again, scientically irresponsible.
So if you yourself are not making wild assumptions, prove that animals are mentally and intellectually at par with humans. Perhaps you know of a chimp called Mozart, or a bear called Einstein, or an elephant called Bill Gates. Though I won't be fazed at an orang utan called Richard 'the Skull' Cranium.
Just because one has a high intellect or a low intellect, they feel emotion. A human with an IQ50 feels the same emotions as one with 150, so your point is moot.
I'd like to see you instantly change the texture of your skin, color and generate light patterns on your skin as many Cuttlefish do. It is all controlled by their brain, which is the seat of all intellectual activity. We are intellectually superior so it should be easy for you. Let me know how you make out with that. There are different kinds of intellect. You presume that humans are somehow superior....not really. Perhaps in our form of inteligence, but since we do not know all kinds, we are best to only compare humans with other humans, since we do not know how other creatures think, or to what level they do.
You ask what evidencethere is no god...silly question since you know there is just as much showing there are gods as there is there aren't gods. That is just one possibility among an infinite number of other possibilities, some with higher PROBABILITIES, for example, it is MORE probable that we are inside a dust speck on the pedal of a flower, that is being held in the trunk of an elephant named Horton, than we were created by a god...do you know why the first is MORE probable...simply because we KNOW elephants, flowers and dust exist. I'm not saying anyone thinks that, but you see we cannot discount all other possibilities, as you have done by presuming gods exist. Not a shred of evidence to back that up, so it doesn't even qualify as a theory...it is an hypothesis...nothing more.
Still don't get it do you? Those traits you describe are instinctual and arise from a neccesity for adaptation within a pecuiliar ecological niche. I can understand, dear Skull that due to your very low intellect you see yourself as companion of beasts of prey. It really shows up in your thinking. To make it easier for you to grasp, the superiority of the human is in the mental aspect – both conscious and subconscious thinking. Humans as a survival mechanism don't have to say, compose music, but we find that music is often the soul of our existence. Why? Higher spiritual and mental attribute. Need we build Eiffel Tower? No, but we do. What asbout the concept of human rights, freedom equality ... Do you get it now, Thick Skull?
No cick joke. Considering the fact that my IQ is over 150, your ridiculous claims of a low intellect are false. Since I have taken more classes than I can easily count, and have not seen anything less than an A in 3 decades clearly means you are wrong.
It still doesn't explain why you think humans are special among the animals? We have a greater intellect, in OUR terms. Thinking first that there are gods (presumption number one) , that this presumed god gave us something special, presumption number two based on presumption number one)...well you can easily see you aren't worth the explaination., You will never understand.
Good luck not pi$$ing off the other thousands of gods while you worship your clearly ( from the false bible) false god.
CC: "Perhaps you know of a chimp called Mozart, or a bear called Einstein,"
LOL – my goodness, how ridiculous. I don't think a dolphin is concerned with trying to compose music or build a sky scraper. We are obviously learning more and more each day about the mental capabilities of some other mammals. Until you can demonstrate what a dolphin is thinking, all you have is conjecture for the limitations that you believe are in place.
Apparently he did NOT give us dominion over everything, as we cannot control the weather (which god frequently uses to commit genocide) and we cannot control the insects (which god frequently uses to destroy nations with a plague or two).
A must read James !
The state of Texas is the talking snake no ?
Bill Nye: Debate Over Evolution In Texas Schools Is Jeopardizing Our Future
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And another part of the problem is the RCC's biblical stand on procreation when they teach and supposedly understand evolution.
Evolution should not be up for debate.
The funny part NO response from Sue or Vic yet ?
Best post yet. Animal are more cognitive that we give them credit for and we are finding out more all the time.
Vic, all that you have presented in support of your god beliefs still boils down to argument from ignorance, at best. It can be summarily dismissed as such. As others have often noted here, the courageous, honest answer regarding the origin of the universe is "We don't know.", not "God did it".
We can go a step further than that with certainty, and also state that the Christian god as presented in the bible cannot possibly be the creator of our universe, for several solid reasons. Among those are the internal inconsistencies of the bible in regard to the presented characteristics of the Christian god, and the conflicts of the bible with reality via ready observables. Your reading of "Theoretical Physics" does not give you an excuse to ignore that certainty that your beliefs are simply complete hogwash.
@Sue, what can be summarily asserted from your arguements is that the 'godless posturing' of so-called atheists is nothing but living in denial and mental indolence. For all the pretensions at logical thinking, your conclusions reflect plainly the prejudice that underlie atheistic thought. Could it be that atheism has become a synonym for autism?
Cijay Don't be ridiculous. Atheism is siimply NOT believing in gods. That's all.
You don't believe in Zeus, or Ra or Ja or Quetzlcoatl, do you? If no...you are an atheist. You see the word atheist ONLY pertains to NOT believing in deities. Nothing more.
Richard, if atheism is Not believing in 'gods', does atheism mean beliving in a God?
It means you do not believe in ANY of the thousands of gods men have worshipped. That includes yours. You do realize that the whole jesus story is based on previuos cultures stories right? They incorporated a huge amount of Buddha in the character as well. Can you not see the bible and all within it are man-made creations?
Your deceitful use of words serves only to obfuscate your illogical minds and further compound your mental derkness
You dance around a lot to call me a liar. Please be more specific. What "deceitful" words have I used, "obfuscate" what. You clearly do not understand what an atheist is, and you are trying to promote an opinion as if it were fact ( that gods exist).
Fallacy, sophistry, and casuistry... Halmarks of blind atheism. Upon what facts do you base your claims that the Bible is consists of man-made stories?
Your Bible was written by men. The dispute is over whether an invisible God inspired them to write exactly what they wrote and that they added or withheld nothing – such that it can be called that God's inerrant Word.
On the history of man kind. On what do you base you thinking the bible , with all of it's flaws, it believable or accurate in any way. We know it has been translated, translated again, originally written by men, but not the men that are attributed to writing.
What makes you think ALL the other thousands of religions are wrong, but yours is the correct one. By the way, to try to claim the bible is why, you would then be using the bible to calim the bible is right, which does not work from a logical standpoint.
Why don't you believe in Zeus?...he was around long before your god was created.
And try not to call me liar, or satan or any such ridiculous names.
First off Richard, try to know the diff btw atheism, monotheism and polytheism. 2ndly, understanding that outside of that which is physically percieved, there's a spiritual and mental spheres of existence. Unfortunately atheist are only aware of that which is physical
"there's a spiritual and mental spheres of existence"
And your evidence of this is?
And there you strike the nail at the head. You ask for evidence of a spiritual and mental existence? What is the difference between a living breathing person and a corpse? From what source do you get your powers of reasoning and other mental attributes?
That of which you speak is an unknown. We do not know waht life is yet, so thinking that it is a spiritual thing is irresponsible. We do not know what it is yet. You are speculating, not providing any answers.
Yes, life is different that inanimate...what exactly that difference is is unknown.
That which you think is unknown is fully established. That is the difference between godless atheist and thinking people who have come to know that the physical universe is only an infintesimal part of existence and 'being', in fact, that its only the tip of the iceberg. Therefore the Godly ones are those who appreciate this truth and make conscious effort to integrate it into their daily life, knowing that there's an existence beyound theat percieved by the senses
Please support your assertion that atheists do not think.
Cijay is nothing more than a algorithms of a loosely-defined kind running on a squishy sort of computer in his head. He does not want this to be so, he wants to be a soul with eternal aspects, made in the image of a transcendent omnipotent God. But there is no evidence of souls or of transcendent God-beings. He may know this, and hope that no one can maintain through logical arguments that he is not what he wishes he were.
That is YOUR delusion. We do not know what the energy is that is life, do not know where it comes from. You are jumping to a conclusion that is unwarrented.
That is common for believers. To take something and leap to an unjustified conclusion that you know what it is. I find it all of the time from the immoral christians, trying to disprove our default atheism. It is religious ridiculousness that prevents finding actual answers. You would fail as a scientist. You have far too much bias.
Your problems, Tom and Dick is your myopic mentality. But that's alright. True faith isn't dogmatic or erratic as you tend to suggest. The greatest evidence for God is in our human longings for things that go beyound what is primal. It is a field that psychology has been historically interested. Also have you ever heard the term spiritual science. I'd bet you haven't. It acknowledges that there's life beyound deductive reasoning
"spiritual science"...is not science at all. Since there is no basis for any of it, it is a made up psuedo scince trying to chase one's tail into believing that which we have no evidence for.
Until there is an actual science that deals with it, which I know there is none, you can site any creationist ridiculousness. It is not science. Try again.
[ "That which you think is unknown is fully established. That is the difference between godless atheist and thinking people who have come to know that the physical universe is only an infintesimal part of existence and 'being', in fact, that its only the tip of the iceberg. Therefore the Godly ones are those who appreciate this truth and make conscious effort to integrate it into their daily life, knowing that there's an existence beyound theat percieved by the senses" ]
That needs a bit of correction. Let me fix it.
Man has always attempted to establish meaning for the unknown and failed miserably. He first must accept what is unknown and not try so hard to further describe it. Proper description will come when he knows more. The Godly ones are those who are uncomfortable with this truth and make conscious effort to invent things that can be referenced in their daily life (like dreaming up a deity and giving it a proper name for added emphasis), thus being disrespectful of all of the natural universe which has yet many more things yet to reveal to us.
CC Joke: "spiritual science"
LOL – "spooky" physics, perhaps?
You are truly what your name says – (Dick) thick skull! Note that spiritual science is the next big thing. Recognized since the begining of the 20th century, it posits to integrate fields of knowledge for instance quantum physics, psychology and faith. Would it interest to know that those things which you stubbornly believe to be imponderable are today being clearly elicidated.
CC Joke: "[...] spiritual science. I'd bet you haven't. It acknowledges that there's life beyound deductive reasoning"
Our studies have revealed to us that the mentats are not a threat to us. Their capability is very limited.
"Note that spiritual science is the next big thing."
LOL – I almost spewed coffee into the monitor laughing out loud over that... Oh my.
@Doris, and from what source would the natural universe reveal its secrets to you? Also its blatant falsehood to say that man has 'failed miserably' to give meaning to the'unknown'. What needs to be fixed in you is base, primal thinking that seeks only a selfish, bohemian lifestyle, which afterall is the anthem of the atheist – live today as there will be no tomorrow!
A pity Doris, that you'll soon be makking coffee tainted conclusions. Just don't let it colour your thinking
Actually, what I want (I can't speak for atheists in general) is to be able to discern what is likely to be true, what is not likely to be true, and what isn't yet ready for consideration. So, Cijay, what do you have to offer that can be substantiated? Mostly you seem to operate as did Paley (of Paley's Watch). When something is amazing and complex beyond your understanding you are driven to God as the explanation and claimed that you have gotten access to the truth by spiritual means. That does not work. It can't be distinguished from self-deception and substantiates no claims you might make based on it.
@Tom Tom. The challenge in your statement is that your opinions must of neccsity be judgemental. Also as a general rule, atheists do not look beyound their noses, in a manner of speaking. It is the appreciation of those complexities you speak about that lends evidence to creative intelligence – God, and not the random chance that atheists wrongly hold on to.
CC Joke: "@Doris, and from what source would the natural universe reveal its secrets to you? Also its blatant falsehood to say that man has 'failed miserably' to give meaning to the'unknown'. What needs to be fixed in you is base, primal thinking that seeks only a selfish, bohemian lifestyle, which afterall is the anthem of the atheist – live today as there will be no tomorrow!"
Nonsense. We understand a little about some things that are sources for other things. Religions in general have obviously failed at explaining the unknown. We see time and time again that today's discoveries were yesterday's mythological belief. In attempting to lock in their audience, theists claim and rely on absolute "truths" that come from outside our individual and collective human consciousness – for some, directly from the Abrahamic God. Perhaps if you could demonstrate such an objective "truth", you could better make a case for this external agent of the universe – this thing that I assume is the same thing you say is so well established. Of course, to not taint your reply, I assume you agree not to have to resort to subjective means or human consensus.....
Cijay, appreciation of things that are not explained, or not understood, hasn't provided evidence for God. Such things may bring about awe, even a sense of underlying purpose, but as I mentioned before, people have a facility for filling in gaps, seeing patterns and meaning when nothing is there.
There is yet hope for you Doris. You see, religions as a rule are man-made fabrications, a twisted path to the Divine. I don't shirk from saying that there's only one absolute truth. Afterall only one thing can have the quality of being right – 'If a thing is true, there is a way in which it is true' That "Abrahamic God" is the source of that truth.
" there is a way in which it is true' That "Abrahamic God" is the source of that truth.
Way to leap to an illogical conclusion, that YOUR god is the one true god, without showing how the thousands of other gods are NOT real.
By the way, the abrahamic god, as described in the bible is an impossibility, and since the bible is so full of flaws, your god is just as full of flaws. ( IT is because men created him)
You have demonstrated nothing, CC Joke. I see a claim, so go ahead and try to demonstrate any absolute "truth" from your God. Otherwise, I'm afraid I have to keep your god and its alleged "truths" in the delusion category.
Also I do not need to demonstrate truth; it is self-evident. What answers do you give yourself when you ask questions about the origin of life? The purpose of our existence? The marvellous harmony, order and synchrony of the universe? Granted, religion does poorly in explaining these issues, the Creator, Supernal and Immanent leaves us with abundant evidence of his works. We only need to lift up the mental veil to percieve truth.
"Also I do not need to demonstrate truth; it is self-evident"
And that is all you need to say. You would never make it as a scientist, since your statement is false.
Today's winner of the Fundy Circular Logic Award goes to "Cijay Chijioke". Congratulations!
Here was the qualifying statement that clinched the award:
"I don't shirk from saying that there's only one absolute truth. Afterall only one thing can have the quality of being right – 'If a thing is true, there is a way in which it is true' That "Abrahamic God" is the source of that truth."
How does a fundy approach inquiry and verification? It's like this:
@Tom Tom, and here we reach a denoument, of sorts. We can resolve this through a conscise definition of terms. Who is God. Well. God is certainly not an old man with white beard that lives up there in the skies. In fact, you have to know what God is, before you know who he is. He is the power, principle and intelligence behind the manifest and unmanifest universe. Incidentally, its the Jews that had the accurate knowledge of this God, hence the Abrahamic God
"He is the power, principle and intelligence behind the manifest and unmanifest universe. Incidentally, its the Jews that had the accurate knowledge of this God, hence the Abrahamic God"
No evidence to back it up. There is no evidence that there are any gods, yet you have then gone and assumed there are, then actually define it.
There is nothing to verify what you say is true. The bible itself, shows the Abrahamic god to be an impossibility. God or not, NO ONE KNOWS...having a definition for exactly what that god is? Pure delusion.
"He is the power, principle and intelligence behind the manifest and unmanifest universe."
You begin by using the word "he" and go on to mention intelligence. Apparently you think that a person underlies the Universe, Cijay. Why?
@Dick Skull, what evidence do you have to show that my statement is false? Also, what makes a good scientist?
I said you have no evidence to back up your claim. As far as your god, read the bible. The god as described therein is impossible. You cannot have free will AND an omniscient god, for one reason.
CC Joke: "God is certainly not an old man with white beard [. . . ] Incidentally, its the Jews that had the accurate knowledge of this God, hence the Abrahamic God"
Well you just get sillier with each post CCJ. Accurate, I assume includes Genesis where we first learn the concept of "~in his own image". Nothing smacks more of serving one's own needs; calming one's own fear of the unknown; bolstering one's own self-importance in the universe than dreaming up a higher power that you are patterned after, right CCJ? Because that way, you get a daddy for the universe that you always wanted to calm your nerves, and you might just get a tiny fraction of his power...
Actually, you can't show that omniscience can compel anything to happen. So omniscience doesn't make freewill impossible.
@Tom sans the gender, God is not a person as we know it. Consider the analogy of electricity: we can't see it, but we can feel its effects – in powering appliances etc. The more accurate description of God is the Creative force
Ah – moving away from that Abrahamic God now, are we, CCJ? Where else does this goose chase lead? Lol.
Cick Joke Since when can't we see electricity? We see it all the time, can detect it, its magnitude...What a poor analogy.
We know that there is SOMETHING different, but to assume it has anything to do with any gods is like saying god is responsible for the fire when I flcik my bic.
You like to leap to unjustifiable conclusion, such as there is a god...WE DO NOT KNOW means just that. Not we do not know therefore there is a god.
@Doris, am not insolent if I point out your shallow mentality. Being made 'in God's image' refers to the spiritual qualities in man and of that even a dimwit can acknowledge the universality of that. The ability to love, think, empathasize forgive et al, are what it means to be made in God's image.
@Dick Skull, since when can you see electricity? The essence of the anology is to point out that God is the unseen force whose prescense in manifest in creation. In your own words, He is 'that something out there' whom you refuse to acknowledge.
We may not be able to see electricity with the unaided eye, but we can measure it objectively with a variety of tools. It's behavior is predictable and repeatable, unlike a god who loves on some days and smites on others. Please demonstrate how one can objectively detect and measure god?
Since many animals have been shown to have those very same qualities, it seems that all/many creatures are in god's image.
A more believable and likely far more accurate way of seeing it it men make gods and anthropomorphize god to have the same traits and qualities men have.
Ah so you have a different notion of the God of the Bible than "literalists" who also hold a belief and rely so heavily on the Abrahamic God. Now back to the issue of a demonstration of an absolute truth from such a God – you know that would help us perhaps see more about this God that we all understand we can't actually see with our eyes. Your answer before, for which you won an award, was obviously not very well thought out. It certainly did not demonstrate in any reasonable fashion any kind of objective truth anymore than if I claimed here that the ghost of the bug I killed yesterday spoke to me in a dream last night and proclaimed that the real God was tired and transferred all his power to it – to take over for God.
Turning the tables, Dick and Doris, what is the evidence for the non-existence of God. Am open to a change of mind
@Dick, what animals share those same qualities. Be specific please. @Doris, you trivialise serious issues. Maybe the bug that bit you affected your thinking. How would you prove out your hallucinations?
CC: "what is the evidence for the non-existence of God. Am open to a change of mind"
If you are really open to a change of mind, you have to prepare yourself for the realization that those that don't hold a belief in the Abrahamic God have different thoughts on themes that concern the theist such as creation, morality. etc. It may seem like a disarray of opposing belief to someone trying to understand different views, but for many who are more agnostic, issues boil down more to what is known or accepted via consensus. Some who don't hold a belief in the Abrahamic God don't necessarily claim that some kind of creator does not exist and never existed. They are open to the possibility that a creative force may exist or may have existed (but no longer does). As you can see, with such consideration of other possibilities, the general arguments against mainstream atheistic thinking of "atheists are dumb – something couldn't have come from nothing" is itself pretty dumb.
So to answer your question more directly, though, you have to keep my last paragraph in mind because people will vary on what the basis is for and what brought them to their disbelief in the Abrahamic God (not to mention the possibility that someone may never have even heard of such a God and that's simply the reason for their disbelief). For me, I think there could be or could have been a creative force that kick-started this universe. I don't claim to know, so I don't hold a belief of such. I simply don't find what has been claimed to be convincing. I find the alleged evidence for the magic of the Bible not well grounded and therefore not convincing. But I don't really need evidence for buying into poor evidence for anything, especially extraordinary things.
sorry – I had to clean up that last post a bit – this is not an exact copy...
If you are really open to a change of mind, you have to prepare yourself for the realization that those that don't hold a belief in the Abrahamic God have different thoughts on themes that concern the theist such as creation, morality. etc. It may seem like a disarray of opposing belief to someone trying to understand different views, but for many who are more agnostic, issues boil down more to what is known or accepted via consensus. Some who don't hold a belief in the Abrahamic God don't necessarily claim that some kind of creator does not exist and never existed. They are open to the possibility that a creative force may exist or may have existed (but no longer does), they just haven't been given decent evidence to make them hold a belief in some external agent. As you can see, with such consideration of other possibilities, the general arguments against mainstream atheistic thinking of "atheists are dumb – something couldn't have come from nothing" is itself pretty dumb.
So to answer your question more directly, though, you have to keep my last paragraph in mind because people will vary on what the basis is for and what brought them to their disbelief in the Abrahamic God (not to mention the possibility that someone may never have even heard of such a God and that's simply the reason for their disbelief). For me, I think there could be or could have been a creative force that kick-started this universe. I don't claim to know, so I don't hold a belief of such. I simply don't find what has been claimed to be convincing. I find the alleged evidence for the magic of the Bible not well grounded and therefore not convincing. But I don't really need evidence for not buying into poor evidence for anything, especially extraordinary things.
and one last edit – the very last word of my last post should really be "claims", not "things".
It seems to be the common thing for believers in God to try to the tables on non-theists and put out a challenge that they prove that God does not exist. This is like the 4 Knights Game in chess, they hope that the symmetry will hold up and the positions will remain equal. It doesn't work. The instance of God that they want the non-theists to disprove was not created by the non-theists. It was instantiated by the one who presumably has evidence that implies it, or at least a reason to to bring it to light. A non-theist has no reason to accept it as something that is worth consideration – it is not his God, after all.
The tactic doesn't seem to fit biblical ideas, either. So it's strange that Christians will use it: For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Quite dishonest of you Tom to try to apply different criteria for the same hypothsis. If you demand proof of God, it is also logical to demand proof of His non-existence. Essentially its a question of 'what is the reason for 'all there is'." This arguement can be made from both sides
cick joke It is not dishonest at all. The burdon of proof lies with the one making the claim. You cannot prove a negative, that is not how it is done. It is intellectually dishonest to claim there are gods, then to tell those who disagree that THEY have anything to prove. The onus is on you.
CC: "Essentially its a question of 'what is the reason for 'all there is'."
No, it's not. That's quite a different question from "Is there reason to believe the evidence put forth claiming the existence of the Abrahamic God".
If you still don't understand why, go back and read my last comment.
(Remember readers, the last few replies were in response to CC's "what is the evidence for the non-existence of God. Am open to a change of mind")
For instance, it is dumb for you to claim that with regards to the origin of the universe "We don't know" Equally, it is with certainity that you make dumb and unsunbstantied claims as to validity of Scripture. If there are 'internal inconsistencies' they arise from your warped perception. FYI, the Bible is eternal truth; however those truths are necesserily hidden from arrogant trolls such as yourself but reserved for the humble ones who willingly open their minds to spiritual guidance
"...reserved for the humble ones ..." Yes, just everyone knows that truly humble people label those they disagree with as autistic.
@midwest...humility is the essential trait of the sage. Wisdom is with the modest ones
Nicely evaded, I expected nothing less.
Scripture omly means that soemone wrote it down. There has never been a gloabl flood, you can't make striped goats by having goats stare at stripes, and you cannot tell a womans infidelity by having her drink your magic water mixed with dust from the floor.
It is your book that is wrong, why can't YOU see how false it is?
You are the one that's wrong. Anthropology confirms that a global deluge is a UNIVERSAL feature of historical records of all cultures. 2. Genetically and metaphysically, it is evident that subconcious mentation is a precursor to physical manifestation. Concentrated focus on stripes by a pregnant dam can affect the phenotypic expression of its offspring. This is well-known even in humans especially among native cultures
I can name several cultures who have no flood story.
Hilarious. Anthopolgy confirming something it has nothing to do with. It is common to find many stories about things people are afraid of, such as fires floods and earthquakes. The earths geological records are proof that at no time was there ever a world encompassing flood. To have one as told in the bible would require 5 times the water that exists on the planet, and the water level would have had to rise at 6 inches a MINUTE, for 40 days. That is only ONE of the many things that are wrong with the story. There is not only no evidence of this, but there are literal mountains of evidence proving it never happened.
The point is that the commonality os such 'stories' suggests their innate veracity as does the findings of the Human Genetype Project which traces the genotypic make-up of the human population to 8 individuals – the survivors of the deluge. I would also like to know whay geological records exist to counter the fact of the deluge as well as the basis for the computation you make. Plus your mountains of evidence that rebut this historical truth.
Wow, Richard has more on his side here. He's by far not wrong, scientists have been able to show that a global flood is impossible to have happened. There are numerous factors involved here not the least of which is the simple fact that a ship the size needed to accommodate that many people/animals couldn't have happened largely due to the lack of technology of the day, it simply would not have floated....common sense should tell you that. Where did they store food? How did they dispose of waste? Just because the bible says it happened doesn't mean it did. The following explains it from a scientific standpoint and explains both sides...if you have the slightest open mind, you'll read it: http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark
Way to misrepresent scientific findings. There is evidence that there has been flooding, in this area, that area, etc. There is NO evidence that this flooding occured at the same time, actually shows it occurred in many places at many various times. NEVER all around the world at once. Also the human genome project does not say that at all, that is flat out false. If it were true, due to the family involved, it would show not 8 at all, due to the similarities in the family's DNA.
How long have you studied the sciences you are trying to twist into your book? I would wager that some creation "scientist" told you this garbage.
@truthprevails, scientists have also been known to be flat wrong about so many contemporary issues, not to talk of events that happened before they learned to theorize on issues they are unaware of. 2ndly, you mention the 'technology of the day' You'd be suprised at the level os sophistication those ancients had. The Pyramids of Giza?
Scientists are frequently wrong, but they are allowed to be, and we learn just as much from failure as we do from success. The scientific method is not easy. It offers no shortcuts. It requires hard, fastidious work (sometimes spanning decades or more). The only reason "religion" is never wrong is because the faithful do not allow any serious questioning and testing to take place, and the people who DO question it are frequently ostracized, outcast and even put to death in some eras and cultures.
The pyramids of Giza: remarkable for their immense size and also for the extremely limited open space they contain. They have their place in the history of architecture – near its beginning, before anyone knew much about structural engineering and built big by simply piling up mass.
So... was the sermon on the mount actually on a hill or on flat land (the gospels don't agree) And do you still believe that the mustard seed is the smallest object in all of creation, as the bible states?
When will cnn make an atheist blog? No reply required.
This the new Dan Brown book?
Overall, I think that modern technology such as the internet, the increased presence of and access to cameras and monitoring capabilities (privacy concerns aside), and related things such as open discussion boards will eventually cut down on the more visible/brute force criminal activities and bullying employed historically by organized crime groups. The same technologies are also causing a closer examination and the eventual decline of god-fraud ponzi schemes such as the RCC, and Christianity itself. It's high time for that, and it is human progress.
Oh, I hope so, but it seems internet crime is on the rise...
Its time for Big Brother to cancel religion for everyone?
And start constant surveillance? For the good of all people and to cut down on crime?
How about we stop raising @ssholes and start killing off sociopaths? "The Good Son" anyone?
The internet and computers are the worst thing that has happened to mankind sinc ethe bgining
Doesn't it get anyone that the Mafia controls the Vatican bank? We're talking CENTURIES of money building and building…now the question begs to be asked, "who are the real powers-that-be?"
On the same track, where do the Grahams, the Warrens, the Hinns, the Osteens and all their ilk shelter their millions? Perhaps the Swiss are the true masters of religion?
It sure gets ME...
They really aren't leaving any options out in the PR campaign. Well played.
And there was suppose to be a list of priests names released but ...
Minnesota Se-x Abuse Scandal Entangles University of St. Thomas ...
Oct 23, 2013 – The University of St. Thomas in Minnesota has found itself in the middle of the ongoing se-x abuse crisis in Minnesota, according to Inside ...
They should not keep secrets !
silly, the mafia could care less. This is just another PR to pretend. Meanwhile children victims continue to suffer. The pope ignores that!
I wonder how much money over the years the church knowingly accepted from the mafia. And now this pope wants to end the deal, but everyone knows you just don't walk away from deals with the mob.
yet lets the children who suffered at the church, continue to suffer. The catholic church lobbies to stop Bills that would expose the truth and help victims. All children victims now lose, no matter who abused/
Even though Francesco was not directly involved he would understand it is nothing personal, it is only business.
Of course this is bound to happen. Nothing done in this world as far as governing, doing business is just with the frame of the law. It is constantly done under illegal procedures, profiting, blackmailing, threatening, bribing, etc. etc. you name it. I said it long time ago, Pope Francis is to much of a good man to the Pope to try to reform the corrupted Catholic church. God help him. Do you actually think that the other Pope quit just because he was too old?
praying is important.
Only to those who are too lazy to actually use their hands and do work.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray. Sai Baba
Atheism is another word for being delusional and living in abject self denial. Those who deny the existence of a Creator-God may as well believe that Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is a random collection of sounds
why add "god" to creator?
could it not just be a creator?
"god" infers judgement and heaven and hell, an overseer
Sorry, that's funny. Atheism only defines a disbelief in a god or gods. You're also an Atheist by denying all other gods but your own. Technically speaking Beethoven's 5th is a random collection of sounds, at least when it was originally written. I happen to care that my beliefs are true and based on evidence. My opinions are likely to change as evidence is presented. Your opinions are based off of a 2000 year old that has been debunked and proven fallacious time and time again. Your opinions are not likely to change no matter how much evidence you are presented with...the fact is you have your security blanket and as long as that keeps you together, no amount of evidence will change your opinion. What a horribly sad life. People don't need imaginary friends (god) to be good and if you feel you do (that you couldn't live without it or you'd go on a murderous rampage-raping; pillaging; beating women and children; killing LGBT etc), then it would appear that you are a much better fit for the description of a delusional person.
People have a facility for seeing patterns and purpose even when none exists. I think your statement, Cijay, comes from something like Paley's Watch – Beethoven's Fifth in this case. The Universe is marvelously complex, but complexity can arise from systems without design or intervention.
There is no irrefutable evidence to support the existence of any god(s). If you have any, you should present it. Insulting people people because they don't share your blind faith just makes you look silly.
No evidence period. They don't even offer evidence to refute.
Some have been brave enough to offer evidence, but it's been emotional anecdotes, delusional claims or junk science - all easily refutable.
I'd call that stuff conjecture and hokum, not evidence (although I guess we're arguing semantics now).
If someone says they have proof, I am willing to explore what they put forth in that light. And yes it is conjecture and hokum, but they consider it proof. Semantics, as you said.
No sam stone, it dosent. That's the false perception of a darkened mind.
@ truthprevails, the drivel you spewed out is just illogical rant. Tom tom, you are unbelievable. A self-perpetuting harmony in the universe is a random occurence? The mathematically exact physical laws that sustain it came about by chance? Where do you come from? And I thought Neanderthals were extinct.
truthprevails1 Or those so afraid of the Bronze Age supersti tion that they would try to appease it, right? Prayer is either about greedily asking for something from God directly, or toadying to God either out of fear of him, or to charm such favours out of him.
If we Americans wanted to be treated like this we would have kept the King of England instead of fighting for our freedom.
Praying is talking to yourself and generally useless.
Only if you so believe!
Prayer is only useful if you believe it is, you mean?
Come on, did you really have to say that? This is a religious article, and posting anti religious comments isn't just rude but disrespectful to the people who DO pray and worship god. This is not the place to go on an atheist crusade, go to an article that discusses atheism, where this sort of comment may be appropriate. I don't mind atheists, you can believe anything you want, but the moment that atheists start fighting against religion, then it's not right.
This article is about illegal business. You should be criticizing 'prophet' for making completely irrelevant posts, not truthprevails for his factual rebuttals.
AtheistSteve, not truthprevails.
Sometimes the truth hurts. This is a belief blog and as the late Carl Sagan stated "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." When religious people stop trying to force their beliefs in to the lives of other people, non-believers will have reason to stop posting rebuttals. We find it rude (and horribly disrespectful) when christians tell LGBT they are living 'sinful' lives or when they attempt to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies. Get the picture here?? That respect you demand is a two way street.
I don't mind theists and you are free to believe whatever you want. prophet chose to come to this open forum tp proselytize and pronounce unfounded claims that are rude and disrespectful toward any who don't share his belief. Prayer has been demonstrated though numerous studies to be ineffectual so I merely pointed out how he is wrong. Since when is challenging bad ideas inappropriate?
"Praying is for idiots" would be rude. "Praying is generally useless" is simply a statement of scientifc opinion and you might be better off asking yourself why hearing such a statement bothers you so much.
This blog is open to all those who wish to discuss belief. In this country, our freedom of speech and freedom to worship (or not worship) as we choose are protected equally.
You can believe as you choose, but your beliefs are not above criticism. If you wish to silence non-believers, you can start by proving that your god (or any god) actually exists. Then you need to show why your particular religion is the one that correctly represents hat god. No one has ever done either. This is why humans have worshiped thousands of gods, and why christianity alone has over 30,000 sects.
Mediator This is a discussion blog; where else would one honestly discuss the value of such things?
Frankly Steve, you wouldn't know how true your statement is on the one hand. What you don't realize is that talking to your Self in a focused and concentrated manner is the same as talking to God – the Creative Power and Intelligence behind all observed phenomena
No he would...he's a recovering Catholic. There is zero evidence that there is a difference between speaking to yourself and speaking to god...how does one tell the difference???
Actions are more important.
God is with you all
Which god?? How do you know you even have the right one???
If the truth must prevail, then know there's only one God. Other gods are mere doctrinal hues, a sort of religious mascara.
Which god is the one god?
The one God we have come to know as YAHWEH
Your proof of this assertion?
@ ... Dave: You are the living proof, if ever you needed to have one.
So no proof. I'm glad that's settled.
No, that is merely your opinion, there is no evidence to support that. How are you so certain that your god is the right one? What evidence do you have to support your claim?? Why should I believe your claim over the claim of someone who believes in another god??
cijay: and you feel yahweh is the correct one because......?
I suppose if Cijay knows that one true God, then he knows its name. But if he knows it, he should be able to describe how he knows it. Did he come to know it in such a way that if God did not exist, then he would not even believe in it?
Cijay Chijioke "The one God we have come to know as YAHWEH"
So, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also part of the "mascara" then?
Sorry folks that I switched off. Had to handle some critical issues. @... Dave, your cynicm is proof of ignorance of scientific facts. What do I mean? The human body is a marvel of creation – FACT. This naturally implies a creator. That you are able to think and articulate your torrid atheism is proof of a spiritul existence that random evolution can't account for. Who created all these? YAHWEH
Only in your imagination.
we are praying for those that are misled. God is with you all.
God is imaginary.
That's your opinion and belief not a fact.
God is at least imaginary. Have you been able to show it is something more?
as is the idea that god is not imaginary
Prophet! Get a life!
Not misled. We happen to care that what we believe is based on evidence and so far there is not a shred of evidence to support biblical claims or your imaginary friends existence. As previously stated, an education is a wonderful thing, read this and read your bible in full (it is the greatest path to disbelief ever): http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Top_ten_arguments_for_the_existence_of_God
Actually, there's very scant if at all any evidence to support atheistic dogma and illusory claims. The evidence for God if he ever needed to prove Himself abounds in his creative works as well as His Word – The Holy Bible.
Using he book to prove the book is fallacious.
The book.
The Holy Bible is not evidence. It is circular reasoning-God exists because the bible says he exists. The works (I take it you mean our universe) is not evidence of a god. Yous still have not proven that god exists, you are merely using the god of the gaps here-I don't know, therefore god. So now without using your bible, how do you know? What dogma exactly is it that you believe Atheists go by? We don't have a book to guide us, so please provide the evidence for your claim. Have you ever considered why the creation story can't be taught in schools?
And "Dracula" is evidence of vampires, I suppose?
And we have hope that one day everyone will see reason.
of course the people that don't believe are pleased to have the holidays that God has given. So they are takers, but if they don't believe then they should not accept the gifts, hypocrisy. Holidays exis because God gave them to us through Israel.
And just what might those be? What holidays have been given by God? People celebrate for many reasons. Some holidays are tied to religious ideology but are nonetheless constructs of man, not God. Christians usurped Xmas from earlier pagan winter solstice festivals and Easter was usurped from pagan spring festivals.
First off, it's not that we're pleased...we simply have no choice-it is one example of how christianity has forced its way in to the lives of people. Second, your imaginary friend didn't give us those holidays. The Christians Stole Most of Their Traditions from the Pagans
1. Saturnalia. Saturnalia is a Pagan holiday that starts on December 17 and ends on December 25. The Christians decided they were going to make Christmas on that day, hopefully to get converts. And since Jesus' birthday isn't even in December...
2. Birthday's. Early Christians didn't celebrate birthdays. That was a Pagan thing.
3. Christmas things. What does a pine tree sitting in your living room have to do with Jesus? Nothing. The Christians stole that idea from the Pagans. They also stole the idea of candles in the window, putting decorations on the tree, and giving presents. (Though Santa Claus isn't a Pagan thing, the Christians stole that, too).
4. Easter things. At the beginning of spring, the Pagans would celebrate life buy coloring eggs, because eggs meant the start of a new life and a new season. And bunnies were just cute. And the Christians stole this, too.
You only show how ignorant of history and reality you are by your claims...an education goes very far in this world, attempt to get one please.
Christians didn't invent those holidays, the Roman Catholic Church did. For more than 300 years Christianity was not corrupted by Romans and their pagan practices. There are many Christians in the minority until today that still not corrupted. The Roman Catholic have their own beliefs and practices that contradict the Bible, they don't use the Bible as their source of teaching, don't use them in their Cathedrals for people to read, so stop associating Roman Catholic practices to all Christians.
So now the RCC isn't christian? As long as you follow the same bible, you are all christian regardless of what denomination you pay heed to. And you're wrong, those holidays all have Pagan under tones to them.
A few of our holidays are secular, like the fourth, and I suppose we would have created other holidays simply out of the need to break up the work year with the occasional long weekend.
Do you thank Saturn for having a day off after Frigg's day?
Holidays? That is the weakest argument I've ever heard. "Believe in God because of the Fourth of July and Labor Day!"
Congrats. In the contest of silly statements, your wins the medallion.
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GatorAZ is right, take a good look at their class, there are like three that we'd get excited about and those three probably wouldn't even get a lot of PT here considering our last few classes. Bama and UGA on the other hand are stacking scary talent. Take a good look at their class (UT) and who they are losing this year. That entire Oline is gone and the have also rans coming in, they will most likely need to retool their DL too and those recruits don't wow anyone, they have good LB recruits but they may lose their starters (both talented Jrs) there and need them badly. With Alazone, McMillan, and Rolin (LB's) in the wings here at UF we'd probably only take Bates (LB), Hurd *maybe(RB), and Kelly Jr. from their class but we'd much rather have Lane or Rudolph at WR or Clifton Garret or Christian Miller at LB. I'd take our CB, RB recruits over theirs and we are over loaded at S...like I said most of their recruits wouldn't see the field here. Take a look for yourself then look at our board and who have us in their top 3. It's a huge step up from the last few years so I can appreciate their excitement but not filling huge needs or beating UF, UGA, or South Carolina with this class come February. I'd actually be concerned if they don't pick up some gems on both lines. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2014/tennessee-volunteers
I am hearing that Hendrix is a silent commit and also think we will land Derek Barnett but until that actually happens I am concerned about the Dline. Now that said, you are kidding yourself if you don't think Hurd (rb or not) or Kelly Jr would see playing time at Florida. That is stretching a valid point a tad too far...and we have not given up on Carter by any means.
I would love if UF landed Hurd!!! Would like to have Bates and Kelly jr also. Don't listen to some of these people on here.
Come on Florida would get excited over a quite a few of them. You all just got excited over a OL/DL who has offers from UMass who just committed to Florida. I mean I'm a gator through and through but take the orange and blue glasses off, I would take UT's DB's, RB's, two of their LB's, ATH Vic Wharton, and WR's Booth and Lauderdale.... Come on people get real quit hating on UT because their class is blowing ours away (for now), I'm a realist and Tennessee is doing a great job.
Fwiw, if you identify yourself as a Vol fan and follow Dewayne Hendrix then he will follow you but doesn't do that for any other fan base. He has also basically visited Knox all summer.
I think Kelly is a big time football player but if we get Admas who would Kelly play over at UF with Adams Maye Harris & Neal? I am sure BUtch is trying but Carter said he wanted to play for a team that could win a championship so you guys dont have a shot. Look at who your Dline coach is and look at who he is going against at UF UGA BAMA LSU
It's not about who will play ahead of him, I mean those guys will be sophomores when he's a freshman, probably declare early as a junior so there's Kelly's playing time. In the end it's about depth and repetitions. The more you rotate, the more experience everyone gets, the less you have to worry about the mess like we have going on this year. Just saying.
Not the point. He wouldn't touch the field until at least his JR year. the staff wasnt even expecting to go after a safety this year I've heard. But Adams is the type player you take based off talent and potential even though he's not a need
That's a great point you just said it yourself, junior year comes around throw him in there because he had 2 years to learn and play a rotation/limited role. That's how football is suppose to be. Champ says it himself, safety is a mess and concern due to lack of experience and reps.
Dont worry about him that guy always comments after I post and begging to get off ignore. But you are right we dont even need a safety in this class. Adams can really cover which makes him a perfect fit for our nickle position and the reason he is such a major target. If there was a need for a traditional safety they would be recruiting more than one person at the position
^^^^^^ begging to get off ur ignore????? Son I could care less what u do but I like others find u pretty damn funny. "Insider"
^^^^^^ I remember a few months back when u was getting hammered on here Bcse u act u have "insider info" and u even made a huge whining ass post about how we have got to stop saying that.... Was u crying as u was typing that. I find u hilarious that u can re type what a few GC staff writers say and TRY make it like u got it. Or post video of players that we can all do and act like u know them... My Biotch!!! :grin:
Hahaha what is also funny.... If I'm on ur ignore list then why the hell do u keep posting about me????? I'm in ur head son.... That's a B*tch move to begin with though. LoL


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Thank you to our Target friends for making the holidays of two local families even more special. The Muncy store recently donated two glittering Christmas trees to Lycoming County United Way. Seen in the photo, Carolyn Hawk, LCUW Director of Funding and Community Relations, left, receives the trees from Erika D. Embriani, Target Human Resources, right, and Justine Stanley, Target Lead Manager, center.
]]>For the seventh year in a row, Lycoming County United Way volunteer Diane Stine, left, along with her mother, Evelyn Free, right, has worked tirelessly to plan the popular LCUW Basket Bingo event. This year, the event, which was held at the Pennsdale Civic Center, raised a record amount of $11,922.70. Diane has served as a member of the LCUW Board of Directors, as well as co-chair of the Allocations Committee. Evelyn has been involved with the allocation process for the past several years as a panel member. We thank both Diane and Evelyn for all of their hard work on the Basket Bingo project, as well as their volunteer work for Lycoming County United Way. Diane and Evelyn are seen with Scott N. Lowery, executive director, and Adrienne Wertz, director of resource development and communications.
For the third year, the American Association of Drilling Engineers (AADE) Appalachian Basin hosted the Ironman Shootout to raise funds for Lycoming County United Way. This year's event, held September 19, raised $20,000 for the nonprofit, which, in 2014, provided funding to 32 human service programs in Lycoming County. Presenting a check to Adrienne Wertz, LCUW director of resource development and communications, second from right, and Scott N. Lowery, LCUW executive director, second from left, are Sarah Johnson, Aveda Transportation and Energy Services, and Brent Fish, Fish Real Estate. Organizers who are not pictures include Michael Arispe, Anadarko Petroleum Corporation; Josh Jones, Precision Drilling; Jarrad Turner, Stallion Oilfield Services; and Keith Houseknecht, Mountain Oilfield.
For the third year, the American Association of Drilling Engineers (AADE) Appalachian Basin hosted the Ironman Shootout to raise funds for Lycoming County United Way. This year's event, held September 19, raised $20,000 for the nonprofit, which, in 2014, provided funding to 32 human service programs in Lycoming County.
According to organizers, more than 300 people were in attendance, including volunteers, company representatives, and 156 shooters on 39 teams.
"This year's Ironman Shootout was a tremendous success, and we're already counting the days until next year's event," said Mike Arispe, Anadarko Petroleum Corporation. "AADE has supported the United Way for a number of years, and we are very proud of this event's success. We are so fortunate to work in an industry that provides essential energy resources for modern life, and we recognize that we have neighbors, friends, and families in our communities who are in need. The United Way is an amazing resource for so many, and it means a lot to be able to contribute in a meaningful way to support the United Way in helping folks meet their basic needs, like healthcare, education and housing."
For more information, or to make a donation to this year's Lycoming County United Way campaign, visit www.lcuw.org or call 570-323-9448.
Four main outreach methods are being used to gather information from the community on the needs of Lycoming County. Partner Surveys have been distributed to local non-profit agencies and their staff. These organizations serve as the eyes and ears most closely involved in understanding the needs of our residents. Their knowledge and perceptions of the human service needs faced by residents of our county are vital to this process. Customer Surveys will be available through various organizations to better understand the needs of our residents receiving services. Telephone Surveys will occur through the partnership with Lycoming College's Center for the Study of Community & the Economy. Registered voters will be called and asked a series of questions similar to the partner and customer surveys. The timeframe for the telephone surveys is the week of September 20th.
Focus Groups will be held to validate and provide more in-depth understanding of initial data from the three survey tools. The timeframe for the focus groups is late fall, early winter.
Upon analysis of the data, a final report of the Community Needs Assessment will be published and distributed throughout Lycoming County in early 2015. If you have any questions or concerns or would like to receive a copy of the results of this survey, please contact Carolyn Hawk at (570) 323-9448 at the United Way or Rachelle Abbott at (570) 601-9501 at STEP or check the agencies respective websites, www.lcuw.org or www.stepcorp.org
]]>Including a total of 43 round-trippers hit this season, Lycoming County United Way has announced that the Home Run Team sponsor support has passed the $142,000 mark. Seven sponsors were presented with appreciation plaques at the August 31 Crosscutters-Spikes game, including Fairfield Auto Group, Jersey Shore State Bank, McDonald's, The Muncy Bank & Trust Co., Staiman Recycling Corp., Woodlands Bank and Williamsport Crosscutters. Sponsors who could not attend included Blaise Alexander Family Dealerships, Ron Insinger, Lycoming Mall, and Phillips Supply House.
In acknowledgement of his success as the Crosscutters Home Run leader, with 14 home runs hit this season, setting a new single season Crosscutters record, Jiandido Tromp was presented with a plaque in recognition of his individual achievement as the Lycoming County United Way 2014 Home Run Team Player of the Year.
Lycoming County United Way kicked off its annual campaign September 5. The non-profit provides funding to 32 local human service programs. For more information about making a donation to LCUW, visit www.lcuw.org or call 570-323-9448.
To see our photo gallery from the August 31 game, visit our Facebook page!
]]>Interested agencies should submit a Letter of Intent, not more than two pages in length, describing a program that addresses one or more of the critical needs facing Lycoming County as established in the 2012 Community Needs Assessment Survey or as identified by your agency as a current need even if not illustrated in the needs assessment. The Letter should also include an approximate funding request. Funding priority will be placed on those programs addressing higher priority needs. The program must be outcome-based and show clear performance measures. The program can be proposed or existing, but cannot be an existing LCUW funded program.
The Community Needs Assessment Survey is conducted every three years by LCUW to identify emerging human service needs within the county. Polling is done independently by the Center for the Study of Community and Economy at Lycoming College. The survey is available at www.lcuw.org, and is accessible by clicking on the Who We Help tab and scrolling to the bottom of the page.
Letters of Intent will be reviewed by a committee of community volunteers, and those programs addressing community needs and showing measurable outcomes will be invited to submit a full application.
Organizations should submit their letters of intent for the 2015 Community Building Grant no later than October 17, 2014. Letters must be submitted via email to Carolyn Hawk, LCUW Director of Funding and Community Relations, at firstname.lastname@example.com. Late submissions will not be reviewed.
For more information, e-mail or call Carolyn Hawk at 570-323-9448.
]]>Michelle Huey speaks about overcoming her drug addiction and homelessness with the help of the Journey House program, funded by Lycoming County United Way, while her son, Gabriel, looks on.
Lycoming County United Way kicked-off their 2014/2015 fundraising campaign via the energy of its first-ever 5K run through the streets of Williamsport and the passion of a recipient of service, for whom the United Way was a literal lifesaver, during activities held in conjunction with the September 5 First Friday event in downtown Williamsport.
"Both events are symbolic of our daily United Way mission," said Tim Bair, who along with wife, Jill, are the co-chairs for this year's United Way campaign. "Those who are willing and able volunteer their services to help us raise the needed funds that improve the lives of Lycoming County residents facing difficult times. Our campaign volunteers help us run a four-month campaign race that last year enabled 25,433 local folks to get the help they needed. "
"While the 5k run/walk is a first for us it is a 'jump in and get involved' activity that provides both a fun and healthy emphasis on the importance of our mission," Jill Bair added. "Serious runners and casual walkers alike gain a better understanding of the important work our United Way does, while at the same time having a good time."
For 'Michelle' United Way is much more than a good time. The United Way's financial support of Journey House changed the direction her life was headed.
"Addiction to heroine ruins lives. I know it was ruining mine," explained Michelle. "When I decided to go into rehab it was both the best and worst day of my life. But thanks to United Way and the Journey House program, I was able to do what was needed to kick the habit and get my life going in the right direction. I am now drug free, have my children back and have found employment. United Way and Journey House saved my life. I don't know what would have happened to me without their help and support."
"Michelle's story is the ultimate result of why we do what we do every year," emphasized Bill Martin, LCUW board president. "The funds we receive each year are put to work via the 33 human service programs working under our umbrella that positively change people's lives. Our campaign is truly 'people helping people' and we are asking for everyone's help to help us achieve this year's campaign goal of $1,750,000. It is a big number that is requiring a big effort, but without United Way, Lycoming County would be the big loser".
The United Way campaign will run through the end of the year. Contributions can be made by calling the United Way office 570-323-9448, via the website, www.lcuw.org, or at workplace campaigns throughout the county.
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The Brickyard Restaurant and Ale House, Barrel 135 and Stonehouse Wood Fired Pizza and Pasteria will offer all participants one free beer if they show their running bibs.
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The continental United States has been slammed by cold temperatures and it is difficult to escape images of Buffalo's massive snowfall. When there is a big snowstorm, climate science deniers gleefully crow "Where's Global Warming" and otherwise in a way that resonates with (sadly, too large) a segment of the population and is gleefully [...]
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"Where's the Global Warming?" thought Buffalonian; then they looked at a map
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Energy Bookshelf: Even though we must think about Climate, "Don't Even Think About It"
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George Marshall's Don't Even Think About It: Why our brains are wired to ignore climate change (first chapter in pdf) should be on the must read list for anyone concerned about communicating climate change (and — as importantly — who is open to reconsidering much of their thinking about what works and doesn't work). [...]
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When it comes to Climate: Inaction costs, Action benefits
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Simply put, the economic analysis related to climate change issues in public debates has systematically gotten things wrong. The very nature of the analytical process fosters an exaggerated projection of costs and an understatement of benefits from climate mitigation and adaptation investments. This fosters a discussion of the "costs" of action, rather than a more [...]
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June 2nd, 2014 · 1 Comment
With today's roll-out of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) guidance for reducing coal-fired electricity plants carbon emissions, industry interests have been pressuring hard with efforts to undermine public support for EPA action.
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The White House release a report yesterday heralding the All of the Above energy policy. Entitled "The All-Of-The-Above Energy Strategy as a Path to Sustainable Economic Growth," the document seeks to bask in expanded US oil and natural gas production while asserting that policies for energy efficiency and renewable energy are setting the stage for [...]
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An area of Alaska larger than Chicago is in flames, 1000s of people are evacuated, with 100s of homes threatened.
What are we to make of this fire? After all, fires occur in nature and Alaska has had its share in the past. As Larry Lazar put it in an email to me,
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Climate Change transforming "America the Beautiful" to "America the Sneezy". Or, Climate Change good for Benadryl sales.
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Searching for the silver lining … perhaps Global Warming will boost drug company stock prices.
Searching for the silver lining … perhaps Global Warming will boost drug company stock prices. That is one reasonable conclusion from the National Climate Assessment released earlier today.
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"The dinosaurs never saw that asteroid coming. What's our excuse?"
May 5th, 2014 · 4 Comments
At this time, US television screens are graced with several blockbuster science programs. Showtime's The Years of Living Dangerously provides serious and substantive looks at climate change. With Cosmos, hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, NewsCorp is giving thinking people a substantive reason to tune in every Sunday evening. "Cosmos aims to be a primer on the [...]
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Around the planet, difficult cultural norms exist for writing. Avoidance of direct discussion and attribution seem to be the norm for many nations. Over recent decades, the U.S. business world has adopted an emphasis on using more direct language with the active voice. When it comes to passive voices, a standard recommendation:
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Drastic shifts in weather (from beautiful sunny skies to dark menacing ones, from t-shirt frisbee temperatures to parka-wearing cold, from …) are natural. Humanity, however, has been putting its figures on the scales of "natural". As Bill McKibben so eloquently discussed 25 years ago in The End of Nature, due to fossil fuel [...]
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