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I posted previously about Is this any good? which should have been right up this forums alley and have gotten nothing. What gives? Help us all out by putting in more information or asking more questions. I enjoyed the link to the Aussie permies and chased around for a long time on the various links. I understand that probably not many of us are experts but we can still help each other. I have the book Gaia's Garden by Toby Hemenway so I can pass on his wisdom/knowledge not mine if you ask something that is covered in his book. I have read most of the Chicken Tractor and have my wife's blessing to try some of the thoughts in the book the end of this summer and this fall. I am going to use the Chicken Tractor to clean up some of my yard over the septic field and plant wildflower seeds behind it. Multipurpose at its best. The chickens get fed from my bugs and weed/grass seeds and do a mini tilling of the ground. And I get fertilizer, tilling without my muscles being used, and a cleared area for the wildflower seeds plus maybe some meat if I can figure out how to butcher them(Iwant to do it myself). Will it work? I don't know. We'll see. Mike |
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Hi Mike, sorry that I'm not much help with your list; but guilding isn't something that I've practiced much with. Your list sort of overwhelmed me when I read it! As for where I've been - backsliding, that's where. A lot of the permaculture concepts that I've been trying to follow went out the window when my Pop had a stroke in late December; and many proposed projects were put on hold. Unfortunately, we lost one of our most knowledgable voices last month, when Fireraven9 passed away. Her knowledge, and willingness to help others will be sorely missed. How about telling us what you're doing now; maybe revisiting the "Zone" threads? Good luck with your site, |
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I posted this in the sewing forum, but I don't know how active it is over there so I thought I put it here too as there are some very knowledgable folks here.
First off, I can't sew a stitch and don't have a sewing machine. That said, my problem is with a top I just purchased. It's very nice except the bottom of it is rolling up if you know what I mean. It's cut on the salvage of the fabric ( no hem ) and it rolls up all the way around when I wear it.
Recently I hemmed a pair of jeans with that iron on hem stuff and when I washed them part of it came off and just left a sticky mess on the denim. Those jeans are pretty much ruined because I cut them off. Hope to hear from someone as to what I can do to fix these tops. Thanks!
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I take it that this is some sort of knit fabric? Ironing on bias tape is likely to cause the fabric to roll and expose the tape. Have you tried a steam iron? And are you ready to iron it flat after every wash? Honestly, there is probably nothing you can do to fix it. |
- Posted by arizonarose (My Page) on Mon, Feb 16, 09 at 16:59
Ironing is right up there with sewing on my list of things I don't do. Someone in the sewing forums has given me some solutions I'm going to try. Thanks for the reply. If nothing works I'll just wear these tops with the jeans that I ruined..:-) |
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Our pool was built in th 60's in Honolulu and we recently had it renovated, new plaster, waterline tile, concrete poured in place coping. I have no experience in pool renovations. All went well except for the pool coping. We asked for off white and settled for a light beige. the conteactor ordered the concrete 2 yards and when the truck came dumped two boxes of beige colorant in the truck. What started to come out and get laid into the coping forms looked like brown mud. The lead man said when it dries it will lighten. At that point I do not know if I could stop the job, or just be happy and accept the color or hope in the end the color would lighten enough to be acceptable. When it came time to put the rock salt finish on the spreading ended up very uneven and a lot of spots ended up looking like asphalt holes. There were two persons showing each other how to apply the salt and another trowelling it in. I was never asked if we wanted a light sperading of salt or a heavy spread. As a result the finish is uneven in texture and had very sharp edges after the salt was removed. I had the contractor come back twice to knock down the sharp edges. The first time they used their trowels and scrapped the high points off and made it a bit smoother and said that this was how a standard rock salt finish was supposed to be. The next time the came they took an orbital sander and sanded it a little smoother. The surface is unacceptable because it is the wrong shade, too dark and not light enough, uneven salt pattern and not a smooth surface.
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- Posted by devildog1989 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 11, 10 at 18:19
The color will lighten over a 30 day period. The concrete is still green and the color will fade out. I like to order my color already mixed at the plant. That way it is computer controlled and less room for human error and it gets mixed properly before it gets to the job site. Most salt finishes I have laid have gone like this. After screeding, bull floating and troweling it down twice and before it gets to hard I throw the rock salt on and then press it down with a water roller. It looks like a asphalt roller except it is hand powered and is filled with water. The concrete is fairly hard by then and the salt only penetrates so far down and then you do not get the sharpness of the deep holes. I have only put rock salt deep in concrete when I do artificial rock work to make it look like lava rock. Even then we smooth it down before we paint it. The only thing you can do with your situation is rip it out and redo it. I have poured a lot of PIP coping and caps and once it is poured you are stuck with what you have. I was just in Kauai in January and you live in a beautiful state. |
A swimming pool contractor was contrated to do this job. His tradeperson that was heading up the concrete team has 30 year experience in the islands and the contractor has some 20 years in the business. This was done more than three weeks ago and now we are in the aguement stage of the contract. Most of the work is complete except sealing of the concrete and I have stopped him from doing that because I(and the wife) am un-happy with the quality of work. The color maybe we can live with, but the badly scared coping surface is terrible, looks cheap and ugly. What possible recourse do I have against the contractor? Can I ask him to re-do the coping? Resurface withsomething that we agree to? or something else, any suggestions. File a complaint with the contractor's liciencing board. etc. We held bacf about 10% of the cost which is less than $2000. He wants his money for the job that he has done stating the rough and uneven salt parten is and industry standard and that we should accept it. I would like to post some pictures to this tread, can anyone help in that matter. |
- Posted by devildog1989 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 11, 10 at 21:59
I can't tell you what you can work out with your contractor. I'm sure you can file a complaint with your contractors board. Try to work it out with him. It will be less costly and less hard ache. You can put an overlay on it. Or one time on a remodel and the homeowner did not want to rip off the old concrete coping I had my artificial rock guy cover it to make it look like a gray granite. If we saw a picture that would help us see if it is industry standards. I would hold the $2,000.00 until he came up with a solution. I know I would redo it if it got screwed up and you were holding money on me. |
I am so sorry about your coping. I hope it works out for you. Posting pics is easy, start a photobucket account. download the pictures. copy the 3rd URL choice under the picture. Paste it on your post. Also, I would not hold the money in your bank account if this goes to court. I would inform him in writing that you will place the money in escrow in x amount of business days until the matter is resolved in or outside of court. If he does not resolve the matter, Place it in escrow in both your names until this is resolved. You will get faster results that way and if he takes you to court, it will not look like you are trying to rip him off. I have only had a situation like this twice (about 10 years ago when I lived in NJ) and have never had to even get to the point of putting the money in escrow because the other party realized I wouldn't back down and settle for less than what we agreed upon and didn't want to go to court. I guess the letter and threat of escrow was legally intimidating in both cases because both times I had things finished out in 2-3 days. |
Thanks for the helpful replys. I have sent an e-mail to the contractor after his last visit stating our unhappyness about the job. He sent a reply back and it seems that now he wants to charge me for the corrections, like grinding down the coping to a smooth finish to take off the ridges and to place some type of finish coat like s-- d---, when before I sent the e-mail he was willing to correct, but did not come up with good solutions. He also suggested that we keep half the balance, pay him the rest and he walks away from the job. And his last option was to take legal action. All we wnat is to get what we ordered. These replys are helping me write my second e-mail to him. I will try to some place to post pictures and later post the url. Thanks, or as we say in the Islands ..MAHALO |
placing some pictures or links here for you comments. I have a lot more pictures, if you can review them do you think I have a complaint. Consider the contractor did not ask me how heavy or light I wanted the salt finish. The tradesperson asked me after it was all done, spread in and trowelled in and at that point as I understand its too late, is that correct. |
Here is a link that might be useful: coping
The color was a complete miss and the workmanship is unacceptable. Even if you did not specify heavy or light, it should of at least been one or the other. Looks like you have both on those pics. I don't know how you reacted but I would have blown a gasket if I came home to that and he told me it was okay. I would ask your PB if the contractor did that kind of work on his personal pool, would he pay for it and be happy? If he says yes, run away. The fact that he would settle for half and walk away from a job that looks like that tells me that he has no pride in his work and will cut corners if you have him fix it. I wouldn't give him any of that 2k back and get someone else to apply another surface on it. |
I think I would rather walk on a cooled lava flow in bare feet than that. Thats not a salted surface, thats a mutilated surface and he knows it. If he had any clout with the mason/butcher that did this, he'd be all over them, not harassing you for that hack job. Your's looks like it was eaten by acid. I grabbed this image of a Google search that led me to a builder's site with what I would call a perfect example of what a salted surface should look like. You have every right to demand and receive what was contracted for. Anything less, and this is certainly less, he owes you compensation. That surface is a danger to you and your guests and has made you pool a serious safety concern. When you've been in a pool for a while, soles and palms are much softer. This makes them much easier to cut and tear. This surface will do just that to them and to bathing suits and one's bottom as well. As such, IMHO, the pool is unusable and unless he makes good on the contract, you are in the driver's seat and he knows it. Those pictures, shown to a judge and jury, and others of what other properly prepared surfaces should look like (while all are unique, all have similarities), a judgment in your favor should be expected. Additional evidence should be presented with pictures from shown brochures during the negotiations of the initial contract and an accurate description in the contract will need to be entered. Please note that colors in brochures are sometimes off due to the printing process. If you were shown actual samples of the colored concrete, that would help. Mixed at the plant vs on site is almost always closer to a shown sample as was said earlier. The computers used when mixed at the plant batches are made can account for variations in the color of the ingredients that can't be done in an on-site addition to the mason's mixer or redi-mix truck. Don't take it personally. It's just business to him. He is trying to get over on you as a business opportunity. You do need to fight back, but don't take it as a personal afront on your character. You are not a doormat and he needs to be reminded of that. Scott |
I always say try to work it out with the contractor first. But I think you need this. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Hawaii contractor complaint form.
- Posted by devildog1989 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 10 at 2:01
Thanks for the pic Scott. That is a pretty good example of a salt finish. Salt finishes can vary due to concrete conditions and technique but they should all be pretty close to the same as the picture. I couldn't tell if that was a salt finish from the pictures or a bad kool deck job at first. The color could fade out over the next few weeks but it still looks like there is a lot of pink in the coping color versus the block color. The block could be to old to get a good color match to. If you knew the exact color from the block and tried to match the concrete to it, that could be hard to get an exact match. Even block mixed at different plants or at a different time will always be a shade or so off. Also when you rip out the coping to redo it, it would be proactive to use an expansion joint between the deck and the coping. If the dirt in Honolulu is like Kauai then it could be expansive clay and the expansion joint would help deter the deck from pushing into your coping. |
The contractor did not ask enough questions on what we wanted and in turn we did not ask enough question to him. The main focus here since its all said and done is " is the salt finish within acceptable industry standards?" If the coping is taken out what procedure is used? will the waterline tile and the plaster have to be redone. When the coping was poured the concrete went halfway down the waterline tile. The original coping had an expansion joint between the coping edge and the deck edge with age and poor maintence this crack became bigger and in some areas shifted the coping and made several pieces loose and dangerous to walk on. Another thing when he first started with the old coping all removed he had one of his people drill a hole about every 2-3 feet, I assume to place a rebar pin, but at pouring time no pin was inserted. What is the norm for this. The cinderblocks are more than 50 years old, three came from a neighbors wall that got torwn dow and on is new. Thanks everyone for all this new information. It will help me in this situation. |
No, your finish is not in acceptable limits. You're the one paying, not him. Those limits are set by you, not him. As I said before, it looks like they were eaten by acid. His incompetence is only exceeded by his audacity. This is furthered by his not adding an expansion joint between the pool and deck. This is not a canter levered deck that has a specifically made separator between the deck and bond beam. The mason wasn't a mason. I'll bet he was an inexperience laborer. He had to be. No real mason would have done all this. The contractor is obviously as incompetent as the guy he subbed this to. As just-a-pb suggested, start that paperwork! I am sorry to say this but he's trying to shaft you. Stick it to him back with the bigger sticks you have. Scott |
After the old coping was chipped out with a chipper or jack hammer they just hosed it out several times to rmove the small debris. I did not see them apply any bonding agent or othe liquid before the concrete pour was made. As it appears this PB did not manage or supervise his help and/or he was trying to cut too many corners. Since most people, end users like me only go through this once in a life time we tend to rely on the contractors and other so called experts a little too much and there are those that will take advantage of the situation. I know better now and will take the proper corrective action so we come out of this whole. Thanks |
"When the coping was poured the concrete went halfway down the waterline tile." That is very scary. That said, to try and change what is there is a big project with alot of demo. All the tile, saw cutting around the pool, maybe damage to the plaster. |
- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Sat, Mar 13, 10 at 18:49
Unfortunately, in this situation, the contractor will be protected by the laws regarding completion of the contracted work. This is how it will go down if you push it legally. His counsel will ask you what part of the work is incomplete, then he'll ask you what part of that contract stated that he had to perform the work to your satisfaction. If the answer is that the work is complete and there's no verbage in the agreement that states completion is at the time you deem the work satisfactory he'll turn to the judge and say this case has no merit and ask for a dismissal. You'll have much better luck with a jury trial because your counsel will appeal to them on the substandard workmanship. His counsel will present an argument that there is no sympathy to the law and the law is if the work has been completed to the intent of the agereement then the job is complete. All the pictures in the world will not change these facts. My suggestion, work with the man in any manner possible while staying polite yet firm. You might even consider offering him a reduced price to redo the work. This will assist your cause if you try to pursue him because you'll be able to tell the mediator of your offer. The courts will schedule a mediation between the parties before it hits the docket. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, and if push comes to shove I wish you luck in pursuing him with legal action. See ya, |
Check his licenses. If they are not in order, then he is going to have some governmental concerns too if you let him know that he can fix it or you will let them know of this. File complaints to you state's BBB bureaus. Bring pressure. If this doesn't bring him around, let your state's consumer affairs in on his practices. One look at the end result by either a jury or a judge will see this as not even close to what was contracted for. Kelly, did you see the pictures she linked? No one would ask for that. I am sure it was worse than what she had to begin with. Scott |
- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Tue, Mar 16, 10 at 19:52
quote" Kelly, did you see the pictures she linked? "quote Yes, my heart breaks for this quality of workmanship. It still, unfortunately, doesn't change a thing. Note to all readers, I've ran plenty of leads just like this member's and had to break the news to them in the same manner, i.e. presenting facts. I've seen plenty of other pool builders sued and have yet to see one in a position as her pool builder lose. quote" My suggestion, work with the man in any manner possible while staying polite yet firm. You might even consider offering him a reduced price to redo the work. "quote I'll stand behind this quote and offer it once again. See ya, |
I wouldn't let that guy touch my pool with a 10 foot pole. He already screwed this job up twice. The definition of insanity is "to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results". I don't know what the legal outcome would be but I would have little confidence in his willingness to fix it correctly. I am sure he would do things differently if it was his own pool but he is going to sacrifice quality to protect his margin if you make him redo the job again. |
Kelly is absolutely correct. Quality of workmanship is not something you want to take to a court battle. Even if the contract specifically addressed the quality of work and remedies for errors as in an AIA agreement the costs of litigation would far outweigh any judgement you might get. Even if you could prove fraud or deceptive trade practices it wouldn't be worth the time and expense. Court TV is far from reality. |
Thanks for the replys, now lts quit bashing the builder and the owner and lets come up with some workable solutions for my problem, Yea I am a gut too! We want the finish to feel smooth and not have a plastic look and feel of plastic finishes .... With all your experience lets hear some real solutions to a real problem. Thanks your suggestions will be appreaciated. |
- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Mon, Mar 22, 10 at 20:40
A knockdown acrylic concrete finish. I like the plain lace look. Here's a link to the product I use. If you like I'll look for some pic's. See ya, |
Here is a link that might be useful: sundek
A simple carborundum handheld stone will smooth it out a lot. Just splash some water on the coping and rub out the rough spots, its pretty easy and the stone costs about $20. As the stone wears down it acts like finer sandpaper does on wood. If you don't use water it will scratch the surface. |
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text: Selena Gomez, "Sad Serenade": The Best Song You'll Never Hear on 'Stars Dance' Bradley Stern July 14, 2013 Selena Gomez 5 Comments 1659 Princess Selegendary Gomezmerizing might be best known for her euphoric bouts of glittering dance-pop like "Naturally," "Slow Down" and "Love You Like A Love Song," but tonight, she's got a different tale to tell. To be fair, Selegend's had her fair share of rocky, angst-ridden hits in the past, from Kiss & Tell's "Stop & Erase" to A Year Without Rain's "Sick Of You" to When The Sun Goes Down's "My Dilemma." But now that she's ditched The Scene and gone strictly synth-y, Selena's birthed her very first bout of heartbreak on the dance floor. That's right — Selena's having a Robyn moment. "Sad Serenade" is a painful synth-pop ode to a relationship that's come to an end, and also the first time Selena's displayed any sort of vulnerability during the Stars Dance era, apart from the leaked "Love Will Remember." "A sad, sad serenade…we almost got it right!" Selena cries out above the surging club beats. It's a gorgeously heartbreaking tune, with the kind of lyrics that leave a lasting sting: "I wish you the best, I really do / Even though I know that I'm still not over you / I know that we both are to blame / I can't believe you didn't fight harder for me," she yelps. Gulp! (Also, this would probably sound equally amazing arranged as a piano ballad.) "Sad Serenade" might just be the best song from the entire Stars Dance campaign so far — so naturally, it's not making it onto the album. Wait, WHAT?! Indeed: Whether Selena just wanted to keep the record upbeat, or things with Justin Bieber are just way too real right now (or perhaps the line "all the love that we made" is just too risque), it's not on the final album tracklisting — making this sad, sad serenade all the more devastating. Luckily, the song lives on. So turn it up tonight, the most beautiful song ever heard… Stars Dance will be released on July 23. (iTunes) Share this Muusing:TwitterTumblrFacebookGooglePinterestEmailPrintMoreStumbleUponRedditLinkedIn http://davidsask.wordpress.com/ DavidSask It will probably be a store franchise bonus track cut! http://www.muumuse.com Bradley Stern Let's hope! OsO Princess of pop, SHITTING on demi. http://www.arcadey.net/ Jacques Terrible. Really disappointed with her music this era. I liked her old songs better, like the edgy "Love You Like a Love Song" and "Bang Bang Bang," catchy smash "Round & Round," the uber-cheap "A Year Without Rain," and flawless "Naturally" of course. The new stuff is really generic and sterile. The Rihanna song she has is pretty good though, but hate this and that other one, "Slow Down" or whatever it's called. Hoodpop It's so weird seeing you comment on someone else blog lol


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Summer Reading: Ready Player One
I just finished Ready Player One by Ernest Cline and I'm giving it 5 stars out of 5. I listened to the unabridged audiobook, narrated by Wil Wheaton.
Here are the pros – it's a wonderfully creative 80's nerd fest and I loved almost every minute of it. I'm proud to say I think I understood most of the pop culture references, and got a particularly geeky thrill whenever the book mentioned Star Trek TNG, because I was picturing Wesley Crusher doing all the talking anyway.
If you have any interest in the 80's (especially TV, movies and music), sci fi, gaming, role-playing games, computers…(Cline covers a lot of ground), I think you'll love this. I don't even really know or care about gaming, role-playing games, etc., and I was pretty young for most of the 80's, but I still loved all of it.
Find the premise and lots of rave reviews here or here. I highly recommend this for a fun summer read. There's even a little love story in it – which was my favorite part. Truly something for every reader – male or female. Excellent book, Mr. Cline! And excellent narration, Mr. Wheaton!
**audiobook-specific side note** If I had to give it a con, and it would only apply to the audiobook, it would be that there are a lot of LISTS (top 10 scorers, lists of computers, lists of games, etc.). This probably comes off much cooler in the actual book. I happened to listen to the audiobook, so the lists got a little crazy. If I had been reading the regular book, I would have skimmed.
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Mad Men House Party!
I'll be hosting a Mad Men Premiere House Party right here on Snippets and Blabbery. Join us March 25 at 7 pm CT for drinks and socializing, and season five kicks of at 8 pm CT.
To get the fun started, head over to Netflix. Seasons 1-4 are streaming now on Watch Instantly. I plan on boning up to refresh my memory and help me get all the lies and secrets straight in my head.
Then head over to AMCTV.com for some fun drink recipes in the cocktail guide - I'm getting the party started with a Pink Squirrel!
Test your knowledge with a Mad Men trivia quiz, or print out your favorite character's head for a fun Mad Men character masks. (Those pdfs are also in the sidebar).
Can't wait to "see" you! Please join the party by adding your link below. We'll all party it up on our blogs. Or, just leave a comment – I'd love to see some pictures or your favorite cocktail recipe!
Update: I had to close the link party – too full of spammers. But I'd still love it if you'd leave a comment to your own blog for your Mad Men Party.
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pillow case dresses and matching t's
I got to do some sewing this weekend (thanks, honey!). My neighbor has four of the cutest kids you've ever seen – two boys, two girls. She asked me if I could make them some coordinating outfits for a picture, and mentioned pillow case dresses she's seen all over the interwebs.
I looked all around at the MANY pillow case dress tutorials (what did we ever do before the internet?) and found two that I kind of squashed together. For the basic shape/pattern size, I used this one from prudentbaby.com. For the arm holes and the ruffle, I used this one from CraftSnob.com.
I actually ended up not doing the ruffle using her gathering technique, because I pulled too hard and snapped my thread mid-gather. So I ended up folding a quarter inch on my ruffle strip every two inches and pinning a lot.
I also went ahead and made my own tie string/double binding strip for all the dresses using 3″ by length-of-fabric (selvedge to selvedge) folding each long edge in, and folding the whole thing in half. This way, I could match my ruffle and tie strap without going to the fabric store. Not that that would be a hardship.
I have seen another gathering technique where you lay a piece of thread down on the length of whatever you're sewing, and then sew a zig zag over it, creating a kind of casing for your gathering thread – that's worked better for me personally in the past. Also, I've seen sewing machines that come with a gathering foot! That would be awesome.
Anyway, for the two sweet boys, I made t-shirts with tie appliques in the matching chevron fabrom. I got the template fro the ties from here at CrapIveMade.com.
The whole deal, including my rough draft Hello Kitty dress (below), took about 5 hours – most of which was ironing and stiching seams (arm holes, dress bottoms, ruffle strips, binding piece for bows.) The t-shirts took about 15 minutes total.
In my excitement…
In my excitement to put a button about QuiltCon on my blog, I somehow have deleted half my sidebar. BUMMER. Anyway, look what's coming…to Austin!
Be there or be square! Very, very exciting news.
New sidebar coming soon.
So pretty
I'm pretty sure our plants are all confused around here…my hibiscus are still budding, the trees are just now losing their leaves. Warm winters make for crazy plant life! But we're enjoying all the color.
Micah's quilt
Both nephew quilts are quilted. Nathaniel's binding is almost done, and Micah's is next! My original post about how I came up with this pattern is here.
Surfer Dude Quilt
Katie over at Katie's Corner made this super cool Super Hero Quilt. So I started making my plan based on her photo.
Here are my initial sketches and measurements. I decided that I wanted the quilt to be about 60″x80″, and worked in from there.
I knew I wanted to make one for each of my nephews with a surfer theme. Then, for the backs, I used their favorite team colors (FSU and UF). Here are the fabrics I picked out for the surfer side. I've been collecting surf-themed fabrics for a while, so I had everything I needed. I have some awesome hula girl fabric too, but I left that out because they're still a little young.
I pieced all the top and bottom strips, and next it was time to do the name applique. So I printed BIG letters in 'mirror-image' format on my printer.
Then I traced them onto the paper side of Heat-n-Bond Lite. Then I cut each letter out and ironed the glue side to the back of my fabric. Then I cut them out from the fabric and peeled the paper backs off and glued them down to my kona khaki piece that would go into the quilt. I just kind of eye-balled the spacing.
Then I just did a straight stitch around them about 1/4″ inside the edge. I tried a couple different stitches – zig zag, satin, but they didn't look that great. The straight stitch looked great and was fast.
And here's the completed top!
The backs are all done and Nathaniel's is sandwiched. I'll post some pics of the completed quilts soon. These were supposed to be Christmas gifts, but now they're early January gifts :)
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Jedi Party
We had a very successful birthday party last weekend. Here are some photo highlights.
Invites made in MS Word using a free star wars font and bootlegged star wars lego images found all over internet.
For the goody bags – medals and silly straws from party city with star wars stickers (avery labels printed on my printer, circles punched with a paper punch):
Homemade light saber cupcakes:
Pool noodle light sabers for everyone:
Best of all: LOTS of friends! I hope everyone else had as much fun as we did!
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Deer Quilt Complete
This quilt was for my dad's neighbor who helped build the screened-in porch. When I started it (about 5 months ago) I didn't realize how Christmasy it was! Now I wish I had made the deer's nose red. I hope he liked it!
It's made from a pattern in Dare to Be Square Quilting by Boo Davis. The fabrics are mostly Kona solids with some random blue prints (Lizzy House, Jay McCarrol) and some random plaids. I also got a yard of the brown plaid print for the back from Joanns.
Teacher Gifts
Zipper pouches and matching key fobs (they match the lining) for the teachers Christmas gifts. Still working on the cup sleeves and a starbucks card for each :)


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As folks across the country fill their plates Thursday with turkey and all the trimmings, how many can say they knew their turkey personally?
How many hatched their bird from an egg and raised it to become a succulent, 40-pound, golden brown main course?
Just how did all this food get to the table?
Ask students at Chicago High School for Agricultural Sciences.
For a feast that would make the Pilgrims proud, Ag School students on Tuesday prepared their first farm-to-table Thanksgiving feast for 300 senior citizens from the neighborhood.
The farm, in this case, is on the school's 78-acre site at 3857 W. 111th St. — the last functioning farm in the city.
Neighbors are used to seeing horses, goats and chickens roam the property, and many shop at the school's farmstand for fresh vegetables.
Last year, animal science students hatched another idea. After raising chickens for awhile, they wanted to try turkeys.
"I asked them, 'Why?' and students suggested a Thanksgiving dinner. We have to start with the end in mind," Principal Bill Hook said.
"When this came up, we had everything," food science teacher Wende Dallain said.
The corn in the freezer became corn bread and corn pudding. The pumpkins they harvested last month became pies. There were Brussels sprouts, squash, parsnips, onions, eggs — all homegrown, as part of their curriculum.
"Our goal is not just culinary skills, but what we do in the food industry — the safety, the processing," Dallain said. "This (dinner) is really a cool way for kids to see how we use the foods they processed and preserved. How else do you get kids to come to school at 3 a.m.?"
Preparations began in the wee hours Tuesday morning, because, as junior food science student Robert Johnson said, "Serving 300 people takes time.
"I enjoy cooking and being with my friends. It's a privilege to do all this," he said.
"It was rough getting here at 3 o'clock, but I enjoyed it," junior Rayco Lee said as he put the last of the corn bread into one of many ovens.
The school enlisted the skills of five area chefs, who shared their own recipes with students, including Chicago chef Graham Elliot, chef Jay Tarczon of Joseph's Restaurant, chef David Somerfield of the Smith Village retirement community, Michael O'Shea, assistant professor of culinary arts for Moraine Valley Community College, and Neil Byers, of Horse Thief Hollow Restaurant and Brewery.
Finding diners was no problem either, as the school teamed up with Ald. Matt O'Shea (19th), who frequently hosts parties for local seniors.
"It's been an enormous undertaking and fun to watch," O'Shea said.
First, eight of the nine turkeys they raised were sent off to a USDA-certified butcher, who dressed them for dinner. They averaged 42 pounds each — sans feathers. The one bird that was spared was aptly nicknamed "Lucky For Now."
Mike O'Shea, the alderman's brother, went to Ag School a week earlier and demonstrated how to brine the turkeys with a mixture of salt, sugar, lemon juice, soy sauce and herbs. This, he explained, makes it moist and juicy, allows it to cook more evenly and gives it more flavor. Students were responsible for rotating the turkeys in the brine for five days — including the weekend.
On Tuesday, after the golden brown birds were taken from the ovens after four hours, O'Shea showed how to carve them, assisted by his own college students.
Most of Tuesday morning was spent slicing, dicing and cooking 20 pounds each of acorn squash, butternut squash and parsnips; 20 pounds of sausage for the stuffing, and 30 pounds of Brussels sprouts. Before that, they made 60 pumpkin pies.
"I like working hands-on with the chefs and learning cooking methods," Liam Kondelik said as he sliced bacon with Byers for maple bacon Brussels sprouts. "Usually we do this from a scientific point of view. But this is a unique experience."
For Byers, this was "a great opportunity to get involved and teach them something."
The Thanksgiving feast involved much more than the animal science and food science classes. Horticulture students designed centerpieces of fall flowers. The mechanics students crafted wooden cutting boards. Special-needs students wrapped all the silverware in napkins. An army of student volunteers served beverages and desserts.
"Students took a lot of ownership in this," agriculture department chairwoman Sheila Fowler said. "When they buy into it, they are more willing to take the initiative."
"Kids learned how to show up early, stay late and work hard. That's rewarding," Hook said.
Students as well as chefs learned the value of giving back.
"This is awesome," Elliot, the chef, said as he greeted diners. "Everyone talks about keeping it local. To be able to do this in my neighborhood, to be able to give back — it's great."
"When I saw Graham Elliot's name on the flyer, I said, 'Oh, my gosh, I have to meet him,, " said Kathleen Yuhas, one of the guests. "I also came to meet the kids and see how this all comes together. It's exciting that they raised it all."
"It tastes so much better when you do not have to fix it," said Maureen Degnan, who planned to prepare her own Thanksgiving day dinner. "This is my treat dinner."
"It's delicious. There's really a nice variety," her husband Tom Degnan said.
"Everything is good. I love turkey, dressing and mashed potatoes," Joan Morris said.
"The servers are so nice," said Fred Morris as students chatted with their dinner guests and explained how the meal came to be.
These diners likely learned to be thankful for agricultural sciences, too, so they did not have to raise their own turkey.
"Without agriculture, you would be naked, hungry and homeless," student Brittany Clay said.


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Broadband access in the home has become the norm in American households. According to a study by the Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project conducted in April of this year, 63 percent of adult Americans indicate they now have some form of broadband Internet connections at home. That figure is up substantially from the 54 percent level registered by a similar survey taken at the close of 2007 and suggests that broadband is on pace to become ubiquitous in U.S. household in the short term.
It's no surprise, then, that dedicated Wi-fi radios have transcended their origin as an uber-geek novelty to a teeming market niche with more than 40 models available. And that's not taking into account a burgeoning assortment of advanced handsets that can accommodate Internet radio/Wi-fi apps.
The range of products is diverse. Old school audiophiles can purchase a Sangean Wi-fi radio tuner that looks very much like a typical FM/AM model with stereo RCA line outputs. Traditional desktop models abound, some in stereo, others in mono and most with traditional clock/alarm functionality. For those who like a little punch in their audio, V Tech offers the IS9181 with 3W stereo front speakers and a 10W subwoofer. If you want a portable that moves around the house with you, the Revo Pico's diminutive size and rechargeable batteries could be the ticket. In fact, an electronic hobbyist blog recently published a do-it-yourself project for converting an old wireless router into a Wi-fi radio for under $100.
And die-hard IBOC digital radio supporters will be thrilled to learn they can now have HD Radio and Wi-fi access in one compact box. The new Sonoro elements W from Germany reportedly combines Wi-fi, HD Radio and Ipod functionality, all in a single, stylish package. And a new entry from Kogan bundles analog AM/FM on board.
So who's buying Wi-Fi radios? In general, dedicated Internet appliances are not flying off the shelves the way a lot of manufacturers and vendors had hoped, but the trade in Wi-fi radios seems to be building. Anecdotally, this writer knows several people who own them, and none fit the geek profile. One bought his so he could listen to MLB baseball games without the noise on AM or the expense of a satellite radio subscription. Another uses it to track world newscasts from the BBC and other international broadcasters he used to monitor via shortwave. And the last uses it to access public radio programming not available on her local NPR affiliate. All say they're satisfied with their purchase.
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What is etiquette? Webster's dictionary defines it as "the forms, manners, and ceremonies established by convention as acceptable or required in social relations, in a profession, or in official life." Thus, office etiquette is an established manner of personal behavior by employees in an office to promote positive interaction between co-workers and between employees and clients. In an academic setting, all clients are potential students.
Educational institutions in general and community colleges in particular can utilize the principles of office etiquette posi- tively to impact enrollment and retention. At best, the principles will improve the public's image of the institution. Individuals can be intimidated or encouraged by others during face-to-face contact or over the telephone. A potential student can be intimidated by the first contact with an employee of an educational institution and decide at that moment never to attend or recommend that institution to another person. Conversely, that first smile or first greeting is important to a person who has not yet made a decision to take a course. This positive interac- tion may motivate the person who is wavering to make a decision.
Some business organizations have administrative manuals in which acceptable codes of behavior in the office are listed. Many edu- cational institutions do not record the expected behavior of employees, so the responsibility is left with each employee to demonstrate acceptable office behavior or office etiquette. In addition to using the required technical skills on the job, employees should behave in a way that will increase office productivity without losing their identity.
Recruitment is vital to community colleges, and office etiquette principles can be of help in this process. Some principles which office employees can utilize to make a contribution follow.
Be polite, pleasant and courteous when answering the telephone. The way in which a telephone is answered conveys an image of the institution. Since there is no visual and physical contact between the caller and the person who answers the telephone, you must project courtesy despite your state of mind. The voice should be pleasant. Instead of anger or sarcasm, warmth, sincerity and concern should be projected. Even when rushed, try to appear calm and unhurried while leading the call to a conclusion. Always be polite.
Listen carefully and avoid asking callers to repeat what has already been said. However, this does not apply to numbers, addresses and names. In order to have correct information, numbers should always be repeated and names should be spelled to the caller to ensure accuracy.
Answer promptly any telephone that rings in the office. When an employee is busy or absent from a desk, and the phone rings, someone else in the office should answer the phone quickly--by the third ring, and do not keep a person on hold for a long time. An unanswered telephone suggests that employees are too busy to service clients. Maybe you are busy, but clients are very important--without them there is no business, no job.
Avoid blowing and popping gum in the office. Seeing a bubble in an employee's mouth or the chewing and popping of gum can distract and annoy a client who is trying to exchange information. This behavior appears to be very unprofessional and distorts the communication process between employee and client. Furthermore, he popping or cracking sound of gum in the mouthpiece of a telephone should also be avoided since the sound is magnified and may have a negative effect on the caller.
Be discrete when coughing or yawning. These are necessary physical functions. However, when done with a wide open mouth, besides being unattractive and distracting, they are also unhealthy. Germs can be easily transmitted from one person to another in this manner. Clients are seeking information or some kind of assistance, not an illness. When coughing or yawning, cover the mouth; if possible use a tissue, and turn away from those around you.
Avoid applying makeup at the desk. The personal appearance of each employee is very important because the image that is projected can affect the transaction with a client. However, makeup which improves the appearance should be put on before starting to work. It should be applied at home or in the rest room. Applying makeup at the desk implies that the employee has no time to pay attention to a client, so a client may not seek help.
Use positive body language. Positive body language shows clients that you are happy to serve them. You can convey this by smiling and paying attention to the person. Stop doing other activities and listen to the person's concerns. Attend to those concerns or direct the person to someone who can help without sending the person on a "wild goose chase."
Avoid eating at your desk when dealing with the public. Lunch or snacks should be eaten privately. A person cannot eat and serve clients at the same time. If you eat onions or any other foods with strong odors, use mints or brush your teeth before attending to clients. Strong food odors are offensive to many people.
Be tactful with rude people. You may have a bad day but you cannot show your feelings to the people you serve. On the other hand, if the public is rude to you, be patient and courteous. Count to ten silently and slowly, then respond politely and positively. When necessary, give instructions slowly and clearly--even if you are doing so for the tenth time that day. If you do not have the correct information, route the client to the appropriate person.
Avoid personal conversation when a client is waiting. Personal conversations can either be conducted face-to-face or on the telephone. Talking with your friends while a client is waiting is very annoying and frustrating to the client. Wait until your break time, then you can have private conversations away from the public view. If another employee wants to talk when you are attending to a client, try responding with a nod, or tell the employee you are busy and will talk later. Attending to your duties on the job is priority, not socializing. Personal telephone calls should be brief and such conversations should be terminated when a visitor or student approaches.
These office etiquette principles can help serve clients efficiently and effectively. The first telephone call to an institution by a potential student can be the last call, or the first of a series of calls that lead to enrollment as a student. Services offered with positive interaction encourage repeat business by clients and their friends. The institution will be seen as caring, and this is important since the largest percentage of the potential student population need to be encouraged, cared for and motivated.
Retention is also important because the goal is to have students complete their programs. Retention is a two-pronged activity. One prong is the responsibility of the student to meet all of the requirements by working conscientiously. The second prong is the responsibility of the employees to serve their clients eagerly and enthusiastically, despite their personal feelings. Knowledge and practice of office etiquette can assist the employee to make a positive contribution to the retention process.
Other things employees should watch out for follow.
Be punctual. Be at work on time. You do not want to keep clients waiting unnecessarily. People can be on the campus at any time during work hours to collect literature or information. Office workers should therefore be punctual at all times-- beginning of the work day as well as after lunch and break times.
If no one is at the desk or in the office the caller may never return. For some individuals, it is a great effort to take that first step to enroll in a class, especially after being absent from the classroom for several years. Being unable to find an employee to serve them may be for them a "self fulfilling prophecy" that they should not have come in the first place.
Avoid annoying habits. There are distracting habits which others may perceive as unpleasant, such as picking your nose and tapping a pen or pencil while attending to a person. Identify your annoying habits, if any, and avoid doing them while on the job.
Practice teamwork. Employees need to work together as a team to serve the public. When one person is busy, office business continues. Any worker in an office can greet a client. If the person with the responsibility or knowledge to assist a client is away from the desk, you should not wait until that person returns. Offer your assistance immediately. The same is true when a deadline is to be met and the work day is ending. Offer to remain and help your co-workers.
Discourage personal office visitors. Conversations with personal visitors should be private, thus not taking place within the work area where clients seek assistance. Personal visitors should be in your office only if there is an emergency.
Do not use strong perfume or cologne. Your choice of cologne is private, but for work it should be mild, or soft. What smells good to one person may be offensive to the next, so if the fragrance is strong use it only on your personal time. In addition, some individuals are allergic to fragrances, and since you do not know who they are, avoid wearing strong fragrances.
Do not wear noisy jewelry. Your taste in jewelry is personal but consider others when at work. Some people love to wear noisy jewelry. The noise can be offensive and distracting. Jewelry should be noiseless.
Each employee is an important thread in the institution's garment--each person has a contribution to make to its successful operation. It is vital to demonstrate positive behavior patterns when interacting with co-workers and the public. In fact, the efforts of employees will be more fruitful and effective if each practices the common maxim, "treat a person the way you want to be treated."
Baldrige, Letitia. Complete Guide to Executive Manners. New York: Rawson Associates, 1985.
Stewart, Marjabelle. The New Etiquette. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1987.
Carmen D. Browne is an associate professor of office systems technology at Central Virginia Community College.


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"The ELCA has chosen to focus millions of dollars and really hijack what we believe is the call of the body of Christ," said Walt Kallestad, senior pastor of the congregation.
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Like most CEOs of AV systems integration firms, John Miceli is always scanning the horizon for new products that can help him design and deliver better client project solutions. But if you're a product manufacturer trying to catch his eye with a new offering ? especially one that's venturing beyond your established expertise ? don't expect to get very far with him on your good name alone. ?Just because a manufacturer makes a great product or two doesn't mean we're going to love everything they do,? says Miceli, who runs Orlando, FL-based Technomedia Solutions. ?I commend companies that have tried to move beyond their niche, but product expansions have to be executed correctly, and products have to be well thought out ? not just conceived in a race to compete. Three-quarters of their vision can't be on competitors and one-quarter on themselves.? Miceli's mindset is one that a growing number of AV gear manufacturers might do well to contemplate. As more manufacturers ? from companies like Harman Pro to Loud T
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Ken Berger, senior vice president of marketing and product development for Loud Technologies Inc., the Woodville, WA, owner of audio brands that include Mackie and EAW, contends the "one-stop" sales pitch alone doesn't motivate systems designers or integrators.
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Who's to Blame: Pretty much anyone associated with the Clemson football team, honestly. West Virginia was a good team this season, but not stellar by any stretch of the imagination — and surely not the worldbeaters we saw tonight. Head coach Dabo Swinney did not have his defense prepared for the speed at which the Mountaineers could score, and he still has yet to differentiate the offense. In this contest specifically, running back Andre Ellington was moving the ball very well (10 carries for 116 yards), but then everything switched gears to quarterback Tajh Boyd. Failing to connect with his receivers (star Sammy Watkins recorded just five catches for 66 yards and a score), the offense stalled, along with Clemson's chances during the wild second quarter in which WVU scored 35 points.
It Was Over When: West Virginia scored their fifth touchdown of the second quarter with just four seconds left on the clock — a Shawne Alston scamper from the one-yard line. The 29-point lead was more than enough for West Virginia, who'd tack on another 14 to the deficit later on. Try as they might, College Gameday tried to drum up interest in a comeback at half, but to no avail.
Game Ball Goes To: The electrifying Geno Smith, the ringleader of a record-setting night for the West Virginia offense. Though he was truly playing at full speed for about three quarters, he still managed 401 yards and six touchdowns on 31 of 42 passing, with no turnovers. If he had an equal in this game however, consideration could also easily be given to his top target, Tavon Austin. The junior equaled his touchdown output from the first 12 games of the season, catching 11 passes for 117 yards. He'd also rush for another 46 yards.
Predictions Update: My loss dropping me to 4-4 on the postseason is irrelevant when considering the horrific consequences for the ACC. Now at 2-6 in bowl games, the conference is about as close to worst-case scenarios as you can get, with just one remaining game on the slate (Pittsburgh's trip to the BBVA Compass Bowl). In the Orange Bowl, not only did the league lose to arch rival in futility, the Big East, but they solidified sentiments that two ACC schools should not have been invited to BCS games. Similar to its East Coast brethren, the ACC battles a perception problem. It only changes as results do, and this wasn't a great way to accomplish that.