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Monthly Archives: June 2010
How Do You Apply Your Sunscreen?
Posted for Sun Tanning On June 30, 2010
Hi, Sunscreens are indispensable component of your skin care regimen! Irrespective of the season or climate, it is important to wear a sunscreen while venturing out in the day! One of the most common misconceptions is that sunscreens can be skipped on cloudy days. This is not true. However, even on cloudy days, the sun's UV rays continue to stream through the clouds and reach your skin. So, it is important to have a protective layer of sunscreen that will shield off the uv rays. Application of Sunscreens Is it your first layer of product or is it your last step before make-up? Many women believe that sunscreens should be the first layer on your skin so that it is closest to the skin and deliver maximum effectiveness. But is it really so? It depends on the type of sunscreen you use. If you are using Physical Sunscreens that contain ingredients like Titanium Dioxide or Zinc Oxide, it doesn't matter in what order you apply it. They'll work just the same whether you apply it first or last. However, it is advisable to apply the sunscreen after your moisturizer just to make sure that it doesn't inhibit the penetrating ability of the latter. If you use chemical Sunscreens that contain ingredients like Oxycinnamate, it is advisable for you to use it as the first layer on your skin. This is just to ensure that the raw materials in other skin care products don't influence the SPF efficacy of the sunscreen. Here are some great products you can choose from: Skin Care Heaven Chemical-Free SPF 30 Doc Martins of Maui SPF 30 Sunblock By Marilynn Syrett Are Chapped Lips Disrupting your Beauty?
Posted for Lip Care On June 22, 2010
Hi, Nothing ruins your look more than dry, chapped lips. In fact, chapped lips can shake your confidence when you want to snuggle up to that special someone What Causes Chapped Lips? Excessive Exfoliation Inefficient Lip Balms Constant Licking Use a moisturizing lip balm, preferably one enriched with rich antioxidants and moisturizing ingredients. Make sure it contains SPF to protect against sun damage. Lips contain less melanin which make them more susceptible to sun damage. Product Picks: Kinerase Ultimate Volume Lip Conditioner with SPF 20 Glo Gloss Marilynn Syrett |


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Mon, Aug 8, 11 at 21:20
i made a bowling ball last year. this is the second summer it has been outside. It wintered in the garage. I noticed some small cracks in the grout. I wonder why this has happened. I sealed it once. But perhaps I should have put more coats on it. I used sanded grout. any thoughts? |
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- Posted by wackyweeder (My Page) on Tue, Aug 9, 11 at 7:19
Some bowling balls are made of a material that expands and contracts in the weather, no matter what you do to it. Others have no problem at all. You can re-grout it-just do another coat of grout, but Im not sure how sealer will affect that process. unless you make your BB from styrofoam covered with mortar,they are best treated as temporary objects, to last a few years, because of the uncertainty with them. some ppl have great luck, others not. |
- Posted by concretenprimroses (My Page) on Wed, Aug 10, 11 at 9:23
anneinva, I apologize for going on a tangent since I don't have anything to add to what wacky said- for our future projects: I wonder if there is a way to tell what kind of bb you have? A test to do over a winter for example. I'm also thinking that perhaps just ge ii silicone holding stuff and no grout (which many of the junkers do) might last through slight expansions. Kathy |
- Posted by wackyweeder (My Page) on Wed, Aug 10, 11 at 15:46
I THINK altho I am not certain the older balls are the better ones-the newer ones are more plasticky and expand. You would be better off to simply buy a styrofoam ball and thinset it then mosaic. and I am of the mind that ge11 is best since it flexes and isnt rigid. and also-a bonus-If you use styrofom for ball-it will float when you are done! |
- Posted by concretenprimroses (My Page) on Thu, Aug 11, 11 at 8:49
NO really! A floating mosaic ball. That would be a wonder. I have 3 candlepin bowling balls that I got at a yard sale. I was thinking of mosaicing them, but maybe I'll just use silicone and glue pennies or some such to them. Kathy |
- Posted by wackyweeder (My Page) on Sat, Aug 13, 11 at 9:04
I tried to find some pics-people have posted on FB after they did them, but I cant remember who posted. But yes, they will float. and the silicone and pennies idea is great. |
- Posted by wackyweeder (My Page) on Sun, Aug 14, 11 at 22:06
Some time ago I read there was a gloss grout sealer at Home Depot. I bought TileLab Gloss Sealer & Finish but now realize it is for sealing porous tile. Will this work as grout sealer? |
- Posted by crafty_lady (My Page) on Sat, Sep 10, 11 at 18:39
Yes, I've used it to seal my grout. |
Thanks, I don't post often but can always count on help fast. Did go ahead and use it on a lazy susan this afternoon and like the look. |
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Set of principles and techniques by which a society decides and organizes the ownership and allocation of economic resources. At one extreme, usually called a free-enterprise system, all resources are privately owned. This system, following Adam Smith, is based on the belief that the common good is maximized when all members of society are allowed to pursue their rational self-interest. At the other extreme, usually called a pure-communist system, all resources are publicly owned. This system, following Karl Marx and Vladimir Ilich Lenin, is based on the belief that public ownership of the means of production and government control of every aspect of the economy are necessary to minimize inequalities of wealth and achieve other agreed-upon social objectives. No nation exemplifies either extreme. As one moves from capitalism through socialism to communism, a greater share of a nation's productive resources is publicly owned and a greater reliance is placed on economic planning. Fascism, more a political than an economic system, is a hybrid; privately owned resources are combined into syndicates and placed at the disposal of a centrally planned state.
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1 As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. | 1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. |
2 And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" | 2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" |
3 Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him. | 3 "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. |
4 "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work. | 4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. |
5 "While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world." | 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world." |
6 When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes, | 6 Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man's eyes. |
7 and said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam " (which is translated, Sent ). So he went away and washed, and came back seeing. | 7 "Go," he told him, "wash in the Pool of Siloam" (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. |
8 Therefore the neighbors, and those who previously saw him as a beggar, were saying, "Is not this the one who used to sit and beg?" | 8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, "Isn't this the same man who used to sit and beg?" |
9 Others were saying, "This is he," still others were saying, "No, but he is like him." He kept saying, "I am the one." | 9 Some claimed that he was. Others said, "No, he only looks like him." But he himself insisted, "I am the man." |
10 So they were saying to him, "How then were your eyes opened?" | 10 "How then were your eyes opened?" they demanded. |
11 He answered, "The man who is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes, and said to me, 'Go to Siloam and wash '; so I went away and washed, and I received sight." | 11 He replied, "The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see." |
12 They said to him, "Where is He?" He said, "I do not know." | 12 "Where is this man?" they asked him. "I don't know," he said. |
13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who was formerly blind. | 13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. |
14 Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes. | 14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man's eyes was a Sabbath. |
15 Then the Pharisees also were asking him again how he received his sight. And he said to them, "He applied clay to my eyes, and I washed, and I see." | 15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. "He put mud on my eyes," the man replied, "and I washed, and now I see." |
16 Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath." But others were saying, "How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?" And there was a division among them. | 16 Some of the Pharisees said, "This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath." But others asked, "How can a sinner do such miraculous signs?" So they were divided. |
17 So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet." | 17 Finally they turned again to the blind man, "What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened." The man replied, "He is a prophet." |
18 The Jews then did not believe it of him, that he had been blind and had received sight, until they called the parents of the very one who had received his sight, | 18 The Jews still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man's parents. |
19 and questioned them, saying, "Is this your son, who you say was born blind? Then how does he now see?" | 19 "Is this your son?" they asked. "Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?" |
20 His parents answered them and said, "We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind; | 20 "We know he is our son," the parents answered, "and we know he was born blind. |
21 but how he now sees, we do not know; or who opened his eyes, we do not know. Ask him; he is of age, he will speak for himself." | 21 But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don't know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself." |
22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue. | 22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews, for already the Jews had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ would be put out of the synagogue. |
23 For this reason his parents said, "He is of age; ask him." | 23 That was why his parents said, "He is of age; ask him." |
24 So a second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, "Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner." | 24 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. "Give glory to God, " they said. "We know this man is a sinner." |
25 He then answered, "Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see." | 25 He replied, "Whether he is a sinner or not, I don't know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!" |
26 So they said to him, "What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?" | 26 Then they asked him, "What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?" |
27 He answered them, "I told you already and you did not listen; why do you want to hear it again? You do not want to become His disciples too, do you?" | 27 He answered, "I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples, too?" |
28 They reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. | 28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, "You are this fellow's disciple! We are disciples of Moses! |
29 "We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where He is from." | 29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don't even know where he comes from." |
30 The man answered and said to them, "Well, here is an amazing thing, that you do not know where He is from, and yet He opened my eyes. | 30 The man answered, "Now that is remarkable! You don't know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. |
31 "We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him. | 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. |
32 "Since the beginning of time it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a person born blind. | 32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. |
33 "If this man were not from God, He could do nothing ." | 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing." |
34 They answered him, "You were born entirely in sins, and are you teaching us?" So they put him out. | 34 To this they replied, "You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!" And they threw him out. |
35 Jesus heard that they had put him out, and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" | 35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" |
36 He answered, "Who is He, Lord , that I may believe in Him?" | 36 "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." |
37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." | 37 Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." |
38 And he said, "Lord , I believe." And he worshiped Him. | 38 Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. |
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind." | 39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." |
40 Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?" | 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?" |
41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains. | 41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. |
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4th Apr 2011, 03:47 PM | #1 |
Bulletstorm Demo Arrives
Yes, it is here. If you've been waiting to give Bulletstorm a whirl, head on over to Steam or Games For Windows and give it a shot.
Word from Epic is that the content of the demo is exactly the same as the Xbox/PS3 demo. "This part of the game takes you through the collapsed building, where you're chasing down General Sarrano. It's a location you encounter about halfway through the campaign in the full game." To find out our take on the game, check out the BeyondUnreal review of Bulletstorm. |
4th Apr 2011, 03:59 PM | #2 |
Finally... They put out a patch for retail yet too?
4th Apr 2011, 04:41 PM | #3 |
Bleh just posted this in the review thread then this pops up
It still has all the issues the retail one has. letterboxing, aim assist enabled, encrypted inis etc. Also mouse sens in this game is pathetic. On lowest it's still 3-4 times too high. As for the game itself. Meh. Didn't find it fun, As long as you complete it you still win, so you can get a score of 5 or 50000. It took me longer to install and uninstall then it did for me to actually play through it to find out it wasn't fun. Which really wasn't helped by the fact I couldn't aim with such a high sens :/ And somehow, this runs worse then Anything I've ever played. high settings which don't look all that special compared to Crysis1 or 2 and I get 20FPS :\ I get more in Homefront and that's a recent UE3 game so god knows what they did. I get 10-15FPS in that night&day UDK map.. Ah well, one day they might make another decent game. |
4th Apr 2011, 05:40 PM | #4 |
That's surprising. I have a q6600, 4gb ram, radeon 5750 1gb and I can run Bulletstorm on max everything with 60fps (maybe a few random drags) and it looks great. Way better than any other current UE3 game.
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4th Apr 2011, 06:12 PM | #5 |
I'm trying to figure out if the demo is supposed to be an insult or a joke.
Not only is the mouse sensitivity WAY too high(had slider all the way down, dropped DPI on my mouse and it was still a bit much) but the sens when I scoped with the rifle was twice of unscoped. What. The. F*ck. Aiming down the sights moves faster than not? The UI was a bit of a joke as well, in some menus nothing could be triggered/toggled by the mouse Weapon slots were still held over a bit from console. Right/Left weapon? Unless he starts using the second weapon in his left hand, it isn't Right/Left And I guess in the future they don't teach people how to jump over knee-high walls, or how to jump at all Ack, almost forgot... Live asked me for a product key, FOR A DEMO. Yes it didn't gripe when I closed the Live window, but still. If this is a taste of the full game, I don't get how anyone here that bought it could stand it long enough to finish the game I'm going back to MNC and BC2, at least those are fun |
4th Apr 2011, 06:28 PM | #6 |
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Yeah BS runs pretty damn fine on my rig (which isn't really powerful at all, the game works around 30-45 FPS, with many 60 FPS moments). Maybe the demo sucks.
Still playing it though. So much fun
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It's not surprising when you read about the problems with this game. Quote:
Make sure your game resolution is divisible by 8, and turn off scaling in your control panel, so um, ya know, it doesn't scale. It's an okay game, but somehow I felt disconnected. Like I was stuck in the back seat of one of those cheap-ass roller coaster "simulators". It looks like it should be a lot of fun... Last edited by Plumb_Drumb; 4th Apr 2011 at 07:07 PM. |
4th Apr 2011, 07:26 PM | #8 |
It should have come later, it's too soon now, people have too much interest in this game.
4th Apr 2011, 07:27 PM | #9 |
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I know man, I'm so interested, I haven't even beat it yet.
4th Apr 2011, 07:47 PM | #10 |
Well the game is dumb.
It ran surprisingly well on my 8800gt with all settings maxed at 720p(thats right no letterboxing ya babies, I play on my tv). Fearful to try 1080p as my mouse was kinda laggy during the menu screen at that rez It did however for some strange reason when entering certain sections my fps would dip heavily, then go back to normal after a few seconds. An example of this is when you have to go into that crawlspace and it caves in behind you. Went back and forth but could never get it to lower. Must be some sort of level streaming bullcrap. The skillshots, while kinda neat to pull off, got boring after a while. Mouse sensitivity is a shame. First turn with my mouse made me go WHOA. Turned it nearly all the way down and it seemed fine after that, but mouse smoothing was apparent. A sub 20 dollar game for sure, especially hearing that the game is only 4 hours long. Bah on that. Last edited by Capt.Toilet; 4th Apr 2011 at 07:59 PM. |
4th Apr 2011, 08:14 PM | #11 |
My main complaint is that the title "Bulletstorm" does not seem to fit. I spend more time kicking and leashing and setting up skillshots and doing all sorts of other crap than actually firing bullets. When I hear a name like bulletstorm I think of running around really quickly firing an LMG. Like in Unreal Tournament or Crucible weapons.
However if given 60$ though I would buy this game over any COD clone/generic war shooter. At least this one tries to be interesting.
4th Apr 2011, 08:24 PM | #12 |
Played it, meh...
It ran and looked better with everything on low than it did on the PS3 (not sating much) I was getting awful 30fps on the default settings and ~50fps on everything low ( the game didn't look that different either). I think I have a descent PC 460 gtx, 4gb ram, q6700 @3ghz but nah it ran less than desired. Was hoping that there would be a bit more options in the game, I wanted to have all the guns on separate binds. I also wanted to rebind Run/Rollover/Slide/*Trip on 2 foot object in my way* to be bind-able to two buttons than using the spacebar for like 4 functions. It breaks the flow badly to hammer or tap hold the spacebar so much was annoying. Again like GOW roadie run is NOT designed for PC and the whole movement system transfers poorly. A and D become turn keys in roadie-run The menus are very much hacked in. VOLUME CONTROL ON THOSE DAMN LOGO VIDEOS!!!! I run my master volume at 20 and it still hurt my ears on the logo crap vids. Then it popped again at the elevator crash and was painful to hear. On the good side I beat my PS3 high score by a large margin first try. $20 game, steam sale I await you Last edited by RoadKillGrill; 4th Apr 2011 at 08:30 PM. Reason: ears bleading |
4th Apr 2011, 08:28 PM | #13 |
Yay GFWL issues!
First run... game crashed right after the GFWL overlay popped up. Tried running it again, no crash but GFWL immediately prompted me for a CD-Key as soon as I logged in. What. Hit the esc key and the prompt disappeared and let me get on to the main menu. Will play through the actual demo later but I thought this was weird. Not a huge fan of the noticeable stuttering that occurs while GFWL is doing it's initialization business.
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4th Apr 2011, 09:00 PM | #14 |
With a mild amount of exploration and on normal settings I finished the campaign in around 7.5 hours.
4th Apr 2011, 09:13 PM | #15 |
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I quickly noticed, other than the random box of ammo, there isn't much to explore for.
Though, I must admit, I didn't think of destroying all those glowing butterflies at first glance... (those things were totally kicking my ass too! Why didn't I shoot back?) |
4th Apr 2011, 09:42 PM | #16 | |
Is this the time you took a run for reviewing the game? Or just a casual kind of run? Sounds over the top, I finished the SP in 4 hours methinks, not all that long. |
4th Apr 2011, 10:24 PM | #17 |
It was a run for the review. I'm going by the time Steam says I played the game. But seriously, 4 hours doesn't sound right at all. Did you skip cutscenes or something.
4th Apr 2011, 11:08 PM | #18 |
I don't think you could finish the game in four hours. There were only two parts of the game that I had to redo, otherwise I essentially did no exploring and just ran straight through and it took me close to 8. Getting that down to 7 might be possible by skipping every single cutscene.
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4th Apr 2011, 11:49 PM | #19 |
Finally they make a demo for PC and that is a nice choice in my opinion! The game itself is great. I have completed and it's still a lot of fun playing and try different kills. If there was only a better MP...
5th Apr 2011, 12:29 AM | #20 | |
BTW, the game ran amazingly well for me on the highest settings at 1680x1050 (AA off because I actually prefer not to use it) and I don't really have a top end PC. (ATI RADEON HD 4850, AMD Phenom II X4 3.0gHz quad core)
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"National Popular Vote" Bill Needs Your Support. House Vote Coming Very Soon. Act Now!
Submitted by Garan on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 15:47[Editors/posters note: Please notice that this only pertains to presidential elections, NOT state elections for senate or anything else.]
Online activism? Easy. Make a difference.
Visit NationalPopularVote.com, enter zip code, and press "Go".
Four out of Five Americans were ignored in 2012 Presidential Election.
The "National Popular Vote" bill would guarantee the Presidency to the
candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states.
The "National Popular Vote" bill was just approved by
a House committee, and the bill is expected to come up for a vote on
the House floor very soon.
"National Popular Vote" Bill Is Now at Half-Way Point.
This is the moment when legislators decide which bills to support, so
please tell your State legislators to support the "National
Popular Vote" bill.
Here is a recent video criticizing the Electoral College:
Video Link: The Daily Rundown: Scrap the System?
Here is some background on the Electoral College at: Scholastic.com
Here is a Daily Paul post on the Electoral College: http://www.dailypaul.com/228763/lesson-how-the-electoral-col...
Let's fix this beast. Act now!
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Mods, why can't I down vote
Mods, why can't I down vote more than once?
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..because you would have a negative vote count. :)
Actually, I don't think people should vote down people only because of a differing opinion.
That would be mob voting. :)
A good debate presents both sides of an issue well.
It shouldn't be "say something, so I know who to jump on".
I think I'm getting hog piled on this issue.
I just wish people would keep stating the same responses;
making it difficult for others to review what was said.
Who wants to read the same comment over and over again
with the answer being buried below.
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i take offense to
' "Both sides" of an issue'. There is almost always more than two (2) sides to every issue.
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Good point.
I guess I got caught up with polarity of opinion this post seems to have generated.
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fyi i dont disagree w your post
I just wanted to point out that little tidbit because I think it is an important point. Solutions to every problem are only limited by our imagination. That's what turned me onto Dr Paul when I realized I wasn't on an island and the left vs right mentality is a counterproductive sham. But oversimplified discourse appeals to the tribe mentality which is why it is successful.
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"That would be mob voting. :)"
Hmmm. Kinda like the premise of this thread?
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What about all other elections by the people?
You could call any situation where the general population votes and majority wins to be "mob rules".
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Was all in fun anyways.
Was all in fun anyways. Question was a joke, at least I commented as I down voted. :)
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At least you were offering humor.
I often laugh before I get a chance to get angry.
How do you down vote more than once? I'm still trying to do that. :)
I've gotta get a bigger mouse or something.
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Popular vote helped us so much with our Senators
There are about 100 things that desperately need to be addressed before we haul out this debate.
1) Legalize Money
2) Allow our churches to be politically active again (repeal income tax)
3) End the wars on the middle class.
4) Return appointment of senators to the state legislatures.
A few to start the list....
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National Popular vote is not the same as State Popular vote
I wouldn't use one problem as and excuse not to solve another.
I just bite off what I can chew, and keep eating until it's done.
The effort to have a national popular vote has made at lot of progress.
I think the election of the U.S. president can benefit from not rounding-off votes according to the electoral college.
This is one area where we may first be able to get rid of the winner-takes-all sub-tally; largely doing away with political party gaming the electoral system and ignoring a majority of states.
The electoral college can still be part of the republic structure, and the legislative branch can still be completely appointed.
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The only vote that counts, imo, is
Diebold's vote. And Diebold gets what Diebold wants.
Has anyone disproven/debunked this yet?
If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
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So give Diebold some competition
This option essentially does the same thing for almost no cost so counties and even states would not have any negatives. However, it is not gamable or 'owned' by anyone because it's completely transparent at every level.
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Can I at least get some intelligent conversation on "why"
people simply dismiss this idea?
Electronic voting is inevitable. That's a fact with the only question being will it happen next year or next century.
Electronic voting makes the entire process much easier and instantaneous.
The fears that people have of it being gamed and manipulated are MUCH EASIER to solve than those with paper votes or any other system. This is a fact and it's indisputable. If you don't believe me, read the post in it's entirety. There are 100% guaranteed ways to overcome every concern while giving every person an equal voice and maintaining both privacy and accountability.
Since it's so much cheaper (virtually free in political terms), it's now a process by which the people could re-assert their voice in numerous other matters. Think of recalls, referendums, petitions, not just elections. Wouldn't the people benefit from a political process where the masses could easily be much more involved?
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Any way you try to sell it, this is bad.
Unfortunately there are more D voters that R voters. This has shown true in the last two elections. As far as third party voters, their numbers comparatively, are nil.
See charts: http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-...
By the stats, something like this only serves a purpose for guaranteeing the nauseating nightmare of Democrat presidential control these days, and nothing else.
The sales claim that it would help third parties is hollow. Third parties in this day and age could never compete with democrat voters numbers. Currently, neither could republican voters, which would leave only one possible horrific outcome - more Democrat presidents.
And with Democrat voter numbers being the majority, I wouldn't even consider supporting this.
Besides, we are a republic for a reason. We are not, nor was it intended to be, a pure democracy.
This is not to say that the current electoral college system isn't compromised by spineless party loyal fools afraid to utilize its full potential by voting rogue, but a National Popular Vote is not the magic answer, getting involved in the current system and utilizing it is.
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Structuring government from political weather, is bad.
That kind of reasoning goes along with partisan decisions, which leads the accumulation of nonsensical decisions where the represented population pay the price for a short-term political gain based on the political landscape at a particular point in time.
The decisions from the last two elections are the result of all the faults in the current election system.
People in the minority are less apt to vote when they live in a state that systematically throws away their vote.
Also, just because a state is "Red" or "Blue", doesn't mean the whole state is "Red" or "Blue". Some states may even change their color if the people who never get counted know that their vote will count in a nation popular election for the president.
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This whole bill is "structuring government according to
political weather", because that faction pushing it and attached agenda sees their current advantage. Why do you think it miraculously came up now, at this particular time? And is being presented as 'great for everyone' when by current statistics, it is far from it.
And why on earth would anyone attempt to sell destroying the republic to libertarians of all people?
Somebody deciding to push this here had no clue how important the republic aspect is to libertarians. No libertarian designed this monstrosity.
Certainly republicans, also at a disadvantage at this time wouldn't have conceived it.
That only leaves one group left standing in the stink. The ones that it would benefit right now - Democrats. Especially when they know their dear leader's term limit is up. So why not attempt to change the rules now and utilize the statistics to guarantee another democrat victory when the time comes?
The electoral college is the single tool that gives a powerful voice and opportunity to the minority to protect themselves from the majority mob rule.
The structure that is already in place, was the intended one for a reason - a republic. Why completely eradicate it?
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The U.S. Senate and U.S. House protect the minority
One fourth of our population lives in the nation's 31 least populous states and has 62 senators.
Ian Millhiser of Think Progress recently reported: Thanks To Gerrymandering, Democrats Would Need To Win The Popular Vote By Over 7 Percent To Take Back The House
"Democratic House candidates earned 49.15 percent of the popular vote, while Republicans earned only 48.03 percent . . . . Nevertheless, thanks largely to partisan gerrymandering, Republicans have a solid House majority in the incoming 113th Congress."
"Partisan gerrymanders, like the one . . . now all but locks the GOP majority in place" - Jan 2, 2013
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Support for NPV is Strong Among Republican and Ind Voters
Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls
By state (Electoral College votes), by political affiliation, support for a national popular vote in recent polls has been:
Alaska (3) -- 66% among (Republicans), 70% among Nonpartisan voters, 82% among Alaska Independent Party voters
Arkansas (6) -- 71% (R), 79% (Independents).
California (55) – 61% (R), 74% (I)
Colorado (9) -- 56% (R), 70% (I).
Connecticut (7) -- 67% (R)
Delaware (3) -- 69% (R), 76% (I)
DC (3) -- 48% (R), 74% of (I)
Florida (29) -- 68% (R)
Idaho(4) - 75% (R)
Iowa (6) -- 63% (R)
Kentucky (8) -- 71% (R), 70% (I)
Maine (4) - 70% (R)
Massachusetts (11) -- 54% (R)
Michigan (16) -- 68% (R), 73% (I)
Minnesota (10) -- 69% (R)
Montana (3)- 67% (R)
Mississippi (6) -- 75% (R)
Nebraska (5) -- 70% (R)
Nevada (5) -- 66% (R)
New Hampshire (4) -- 57% (R), 69% (I)
New Mexico (5) -- 64% (R), 68% (I)
New York (29) - 66% (R), 78% Independence, 50% Conservative
North Carolina (15) -- 89% liberal (R), 62% moderate (R) , 70% conservative (R), 80% (I)
Ohio (18) -- 65% (R)
Oklahoma (7) -- 75% (R)
Oregon (7) -- 70% (R), 72% (I)
Pennsylvania (20) -- 68% (R), 76% (I)
Rhode Island (4) -- 71% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 35% conservative (R), 78% (I),
South Carolina (8) -- 64% (R)
South Dakota (3) -- 67% (R)
Tennessee (11) -- 73% (R)
Utah (6) -- 66% (R)
Vermont (3) -- 61% (R)
Virginia (13) -- 76% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 54% conservative (R)
Washington (12) -- 65% (R)
West Virginia (5) -- 75% (R)
Wisconsin (10) -- 63% (R), 67% (I)
Wyoming (3) –66% (R), 72% (I)
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Some Republican Supporters
Jason Cabel Roe, a lifelong conservative activist and professional political consultant wrote in National Popular Vote is Good for Republicans: "I strongly support National Popular Vote. It is good for Republicans, it is good for conservatives . . . , and it is good for America. National Popular Vote is not a grand conspiracy hatched by the Left to manipulate the election outcome.
It is a bipartisan effort of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents to allow every state – and every voter – to have a say in the selection of our President, and not just the 15 Battle Ground States.
National Popular Vote is not a change that can be easily explained, nor the ramifications thought through in sound bites. It takes a keen political mind to understand just how much it can help . . . Republicans. . . . Opponents either have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea or don't fully understand it. . . . We believe that the more exposure and discussion the reform has the more support that will build for it."
Former Tennessee U.S. Senator and 2008 presidential candidate Fred Thompson (R), former Illinois Governor Jim Edgar (R), and former U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO) are co-champions of National Popular Vote.
National Popular Vote's National Advisory Board includes former Senators Jake Garn (R–UT), and David Durenberger (R–MN) and former congressman John Buchanan (R–AL).
Saul Anuzis, former Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party for five years and a former candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, supports the National Popular Vote plan as the fairest way to make sure every vote matters, and also as a way to help Conservative Republican candidates. This is not a partisan issue and the NPV plan would not help either party over the other.
Rich Bolen, a Constitutional scholar, attorney at law, and Republican Party Chairman for Lexington County, South Carolina, wrote:"A Conservative Case for National Popular Vote: Why I support a state-based plan to reform the Electoral College."
Some other supporters who wrote forewords to "Every Vote Equal: A State-Based Plan for Electing the President by National Popular Vote " http://www.every-vote-equal.com/ include:
Laura Brod served in the Minnesota House of Representatives from 2003 to 2010 and was the ranking Republican member of the Tax Committee. She was the Minnesota Public Sector Chair for ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) and active in the Council of State Governments.
James Brulte served as Republican Leader of the California State Assembly from 1992 to 1996, California State Senator from 1996 to 2004, and Senate Republican leader from 2000 to 2004.
Ray Haynes served as the National Chairman of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) in 2000. He served in the California State Senate from 1994 to 2002 and was elected to the Assembly in 1992 and 2002
Dean Murray is a member of the New York State Assembly. He was a Tea Party organizer before being elected to the Assembly as a Republican, Conservative Party member in February 2010. He was described by Fox News as the first Tea Party candidate elected to office in the United States.
Thomas L. Pearce served as a Michigan State Representative from 2005–2010 and was appointed Dean of the Republican Caucus. He has led several faith-based initiatives in Lansing.
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Republican Votes Would No Longer be Wasted
National Popular Vote bill debuted on February 23, 2006. The National Popular Vote bill has been introduced in all 50 state legislatures. More than 2,110 state legislators have either sponsored the National Popular Vote compact in their state legislatures or cast a recorded vote in favor of it.
Every vote, everywhere would be counted equally for, and directly assist, the candidate for whom it was cast.
In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed.
With National Popular Vote, the United States would still be a republic, in which citizens continue to elect the President by a majority of Electoral College votes by states, to represent us and conduct the business of government in the periods between elections.
National Popular Vote would give a voice to the minority party voters in each state. Now their votes are counted only for the candidate they did not vote for. Now they don't matter to their candidate.
And now votes, beyond the one needed to get the most votes in the state, for winning in a state are wasted and don't matter to candidates. Utah (5 electoral votes) alone generated a margin of 385,000 "wasted" votes for Bush in 2004. 8 small western states, with less than a third of California's population, provided Bush with a bigger margin (1,283,076) than California provided Kerry (1,235,659).
Republicans could take advantage of their wasted votes from the small states under National Popular Vote. Red states are more red than blue states are blue. In a nationwide election, a vote in Idaho or Utah would become as important as a vote in Ohio or Florida.
Specifically, the popular-vote margins in the reliably Republican six small states in 2004 were uniformly overwhelming:
● Alaska–64%,
● Idaho–69%,
● Montana–61%,
● North Dakota–64%,
● South Dakota–61%, and
● Wyoming–70%.
In contrast, the Democrats won three of their small states (Delaware, Hawaii, and Maine) with just 54% of the vote. In addition, the Democrats carried two of their small states (Vermont and Rhode Island) with only 60% of the vote—a margin smaller than the percentage by which the Republicans carried any of their six small states. The District of Columbia (with three electoral votes) is the only small jurisdiction where the Democrats won by an overwhelming margin. The Democrats won the battleground state of New Hampshire by a 2% margin in 2004.
Overall, an enormous number of Republican votes in the small states were wasted because of the overwhelming victory margins in the six reliably Republican small states, compared to the Democrat's modest victory margins in their states. This can be seen by pairing each of the six Republican states with one of the Democratic states.
● Wyoming's 96,509-vote Republican margin exceeded Vermont's 62,911-vote Democratic margin.
● Alaska's 65,812-vote Republican margin exceeded Delaware's 28,356-vote Democratic margin.
● North Dakota's 85,336-vote Republican margin exceeded Hawaii's 37,209-vote Democratic margin.
● Montana's 92,110-vote Republican margin exceeded Rhode Island's 85,753-vote Democratic margin.
● South Dakota's 83,320-vote Republican margin exceeded Maine's 65,017-vote Democratic margin.
● Idaho's 227,334-vote Republican margin exceeded the District of Columbia's 164,869-vote Democratic margin.
In 2008, of the 25 smallest states (with a total of 155 electoral votes), 18 received no attention at all from presidential campaigns after the conventions. Of the seven smallest states with any post-convention visits, Only 4 of the smallest states - NH (12 events), NM (8), NV (12), and IA (7) - got the outsized attention of 39 of the 43 total events in the 25 smallest states. In contrast, Ohio (with only 20 electoral votes) was lavishly wooed with 62 of the total 300 post-convention campaign events in the whole country.
In the 25 smallest states in 2008, the Democratic and Republican popular vote was almost tied (9.9 million versus 9.8 million), as was the electoral vote (57 versus 58).
In 2012, 24 of the nation's 27 smallest states received no attention at all from presidential campaigns after the conventions.- including not a single dollar in presidential campaign ad money after Mitt Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee on April 11. They were ignored despite their supposed numerical advantage in the Electoral College. In fact, the 8.6 million eligible voters in Ohio received more campaign ads and campaign visits from the major party campaigns than the 42 million eligible voters in those 27 smallest states combined.
Now with state-by-state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but since enacted by 48 states), presidential elections ignore 12 of the 13 lowest population states (3-4 electoral votes), that are non-competitive in presidential elections. 6 regularly vote Republican (AK, ID, MT, WY, ND, and SD), and 6 regularly vote Democratic (RI, DE, HI, VT, ME, and DC) in presidential elections. Voters in states that are reliably red or blue don't matter. Candidates ignore those states and the issues they care about most.
Kerry won more electoral votes than Bush (21 versus 19) in the 12 least-populous non-battleground states, despite the fact that Bush won 650,421 popular votes compared to Kerry's 444,115 votes. The reason is that the red states are redder than the blue states are blue. If the boundaries of the 13 least-populous states had been drawn recently, there would be accusations that they were a Democratic gerrymander.
Support for a national popular vote is strong in every smallest state surveyed in recent polls among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group. Support in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK -70%, DC -76%, DE --75%, ID -77%, ME - 77%, MT- 72%, NE - 74%, NH--69%, NE - 72%, NM - 76%, RI - 74%, SD- 71%, UT- 70%, VT - 75%, WV- 81%, and WY- 69%.
Among the 13 lowest population states, the National Popular Vote bill has passed in nine state legislative chambers, and been enacted by 3 jurisdictions.
With the current state-by-state winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes, it could only take winning a bare plurality of popular votes in the 11 most populous states, containing 56% of the population of the United States, for a candidate to win the Presidency with a mere 23% of the nation's votes!
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Bad Idea, What we really need is real representation in the
House of Representatives. The original intent was to have 1 Representative for every 30,000 people. Now some states have 1 representative for 800,000 or more!
We also need to consider going back to the Senate being chosen by the state legislature, as opposed to being elected by popular vote.
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I agree.
With everything you say about the House of Representatives and the Senate.
However, the presidential election is a different beast that is not served well by the electoral college system, which is being gamed by the political parties to the point that most votes do not even matter.
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No one here supports mob
No one here supports mob democracy, but limited constitutional republics, if anything at all.
You need to go back to the socialist / marxists forums for this one.
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totally agree with you.
No mob rule!
We are a republic not a democracy. The poster is confused on what he/she is asking for.
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The Mob says: "No Mob Rule!"
This entire post is being "Mobbed". That's funny.
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A popular vote for president is not democracy.
..it's a democratic vote for a 4-year representative to Preside over 1 of 3 branches of government.
Voting every 4 years, 2 years, or even every year, is not a Democracy either. It's still a government of representatives with a legislative branch arrived at through the electoral college (part of the republic structure), and a branch that is completely appointed (the judicial branch).
I'm all for having a republic, it's just that the presidential election is currently effectively determined by a populous vote, and in the case of this national populous vote, the electoral college doesn't work and is being gamed to the point where most votes don't matter.
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We would still be a Republic
One more time . . .
Most Americans don't care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state or district . . . they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was directly and equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans think it's wrong for the candidate with the most popular votes to lose. We don't allow this in any other election in our representative republic.
In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).
National Popular Vote has nothing to do with pure democracy. Pure democracy is a form of government in which people vote on policy initiatives directly. With National Popular Vote, the United States would still be a republic, in which citizens continue to elect the President by a majority of Electoral College votes by states, to represent us and conduct the business of government in the periods between elections.
In 1789, in the nation's first election, the people had no vote for President in most states. Only men who owned a substantial amount of property could vote. Since then, state laws gave the people the right to vote for President in all 50 states and DC.
The National Popular Vote bill would end the disproportionate attention and influence of the "mob" in the current handful of closely divided battleground states, such as Florida, while the "mobs" of the vast majority of states are ignored. 9 states determined the 2012 election. 10 of the original 13 states are politically irrelevant in presidential campaigns now. Four out of five Americans were ignored in the 2012 presidential election. After being nominated, Obama visited just eight closely divided battleground states, and Romney visited only 10. These 10 states accounted for 98% of the $940 million spent on campaign advertising. In 2008, 98% of the campaign events involving a presidential or vice-presidential candidate occurred in just 15 closely divided "battleground" states. 12 of the 13 lowest population states (3-4 electoral votes), that are non-competitive are ignored, in presidential elections.
The current system does not provide some kind of check on the "mobs." There have been 22,991 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 17 have been cast for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector's own political party. 1796 remains the only instance when the elector might have thought, at the time he voted, that his vote might affect the national outcome. Since 1796, the Electoral College has had the form, but not the substance, of the deliberative body envisioned by the Founders. The electors now are dedicated party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable rubberstamped votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges.
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Support for a national popular vote is strong
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Last weekend I finally decided on my hardware but I needed a sample to make sure that it is fairly true to the website pic. I ordered the sample last Monday from a site in NY and I still don't have the sample. NY is a two business day ship via UPS and pretty much the same via USPS. I really need to get my hardware ordered. I am getting worried that I won't have the hardware in time. Have any of you been held up by slow response from a vendor? I guess because I have a shop and was in the manufacturing field for years I look at timely shipping as very important. It seems like I am in the minority as far as vendoes go as I am finding that many sites just seem to drag their feet. Thanks for listening to the vent. |
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- Posted by breezygirl (My Page) on Mon, May 13, 13 at 10:45
I understand your frustration. I ended up ordering my hardware from RH, and it took much too long to arrive IMO. Blue tape is your friend in this situation. Make some cute little pulls from blue tape, or pick one of the other cool colors the quick release tape is made in now. They'll last long enough until your order arrives. I used blue tape on a couple cabs for many months until I convinced DH that the knobs I wanted weren't dorky. |
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So many on-line vendors don't even have the product at their location. Or even know if it is available. I'm tracking something so simple and silly right now from Amazon...it has been everywhere and taking so long i almost forgot i ordered it. If i need something timely, i have to call and order directly from a human, Ask for availability, get a name, and give my # if they find a problem. I ordered an entry hook wanting to put up a grid of 12 or 24...then to find out it was discontinued... If it is what you want, when it finally arrives, order by phone and pay for speedy shipping. |
ThanksEAM and Breezy. I knew I would find kindred souls on GW. EAM I am looking right now. I wanted to go with this vendor because it was the best pricing on the web that I could find with no tax or shipping, however if they can't deliver I am better off paying more for better service. Breezy my cabs won't be installed for a few weeks but I really want the pulls here so I can have the installers deal with putting the pulls on. I get sick to my stomach at the thought of holes being drilled. Yikes!!!! |
Thanks Sleeve. Yes it truly is frustrating what you have to go through when ordering on line. I will definitely place a phone order. I just need to see the one I ordered to make sure the finish is right. |
Yippee. I just got confirmation with a tracking number that is a UPS number. It is scheduled to be delivered today. Thank goodness I can get the ball rolling as soon as I see it! |
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Almost no one maintains "stock" of anything anymore. If they receive an order, they then in turn order it from the manufacturer. That's why so many things state a 10-14 business day lead time. What exactly do they state is their lead time? |
holly-kay, As long as you have your samples in hand when your cabinets are installed, the installers can get all the holes drilled. Then you can put the hardware on yourself, if you do not have the full shipment in hand. All it takes is a screwdriver. You will likely need longer screws than are provided for the hardware going on the drawers (needs to go through the drawer front and the drawer box), but you would need those for your installers anyways. |
Actually lead time was 2 business days. I totally over reacted because I didn't get a shipping notice. It is here now and gahhhhhh the bronze instead of a brownish bronze is more a grayish bronze. It is still beautiful but I just don't know if it will work because I think my cabinets need something in a brown tone! The website color is just not true to real life which is why I ordered a sample. I will post a pic tonight when I get home from work and ask for all of your opinions. Crud and darn it all! |
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kyfdx Posts: 31,851The net CAP cost is the selling price, less any downpayments and plus any additions not paid upfront (acquisition fee, etc.)
(Net cap cost - residual) / term = monthly depreciation
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rrsfan Posts: 6Thank you very much. That does make sense & thnx for walking me thru'.
Now I have to decide, whether to lease or buy. Lease will allow me to walk away, if RRS is problamatic, but I feel optimistic @ the quality. N.Y.Times have a good article @ LR2 & increasing quality of Ford's British division. -
lr3maybe Posts: 134I have a certificate that will save you $2000 or $1500 I will sell. Make your email address public and reply and I will email to you. I can send you a scan of the certificate and the cover letter if you would like to see it.
There is a place on the certificate where I can sign and transfer it to a friend.
Exact wording on the certificate is as follows:
Save $2000 on a new 2007 Range Rover HSE*
Save $1500 on a new 2007 Range Rover Sport HSE**
Save $1500 on a new 2007 LR3 V8 HSE, SE, or V6 SE
*Offer valid on purchase or lease of a new, previously untitled 2007 Range Rover HSE (excludes Supercharged model) from 4/16/07 to 6/30/07. **Offer valid on purchase or lease of a new, previously untitled 2007 Range Rover Sport HSE (excludes Supercharged model) from 4/16/07 to 6/30/07. Offer valid on purchase or lease of a new, previously untitled 2007 LR3 V8 HSE, SE or V6 SE from 4/16/07 to 6/30/07. Present this certificate to Retailer and take delivery from Retailer stock by 6/30/07. These offers may not be combined with any other private purchase offer. Limit one redemption per household. These offers exclude demonstration vehicles and service loaners. For current lease customers, these offers may not be combined with the Early Lease Termination offer. See Retailer for complete details. -
CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hello Ozzie. The lease money factor and residual value that you were quoted are right in line with Land Rover Capital Group's current program for this model. This is a good thing. I am not personally all that familiar with what the market for the Range Rover Sport is like right now, but I get the impression that it is selling pretty well so the $2,000 discount that you were quoted may not be that bad. Having said this, the truck that you described has a spread of more than $5,000 between its full MSRP and its dealer invoice price so it definitely wouldn't hurt to try to negotiate some more with this dealer or comparison shop a little bit. There's no guarantee that you will get a larger discount than this, but it wouldn't hurt to try. You may want to try stopping by the following discussion to see if any other community members have purchased similar trucks lately: "Land Rover Range Rover/Sport: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".
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british_rover Posts: 8,476The market on sports is fairly tight right now and I expect it to stay that way right up until when the 2008 MY vehicles get here.
I wouldn't do more then 2,000 dollars on a sport I had in stock unless the buyer offered me some additional incentives.
If the buyer had a really nice trade that I wanted or was a repeat customer I might go more then 2,000 dollars but not much more. -
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british_rover Posts: 8,476Yeah that is about right for shipping one car enclosed over that kind of distance.
I am spolied with our own trucks and trailers for swaps so the costs are much less then market price.
I have a guy that does point to point enclosed shipping for me sometimes. His average rate is one dollar per mile for me but he charges other people a little more. -
CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Greetings gasdoc. The fact that you can purchase this truck through Ford's X-Plan is a good thing because it guarantees that you will get a great selling price without having to haggle. You're right about the money factor though. It is definitely too high. Land Rover Capital Group's current buy rate lease money factor for a 36 month lease of a 2007 Land Rover Range Rover Sport SC is only .00333 for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Make sure that is the factor that the dealer you are working with uses to calculate your monthly payment.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hi gasdoc. $1,100 for a dealer swap sounds like an awful lot of money to me. That sounds pretty high to me. Perhaps there is another Land Rover dealer around that has a similar truck to the one that you want. I have to say though that X-Plan plus the buy rate lease money factor is a very attractive deal.
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herculesjefff Posts: 2hi ...i currently am looking to buy a 2007-2008 rr sport.i find it very frustrating..i went to the benz dealer with my sister to buy a 2007 e350.it cost 58k she put down 6k.for 26month lease her payment was 435plus tax..so i went to the rr dealer the truck was $57,900 and the payment was over $1000 why.this what im trying to do i wanna put down $7k to $8k down..i want a lease between 24months and 36 month but i have a 2003 hummer h2 i wanna trade in.it has 60k miles and its fully loaded...i still owe 39k.i know im upside down.i want my payments between $700 and $800 can it be done and how can i get the most for my trade.retail the trucks worth 36k and the dealer offers $25k to $29k...iv beenhigh dollar cars for almost 20years .i found it to be a game with dealers/all you have to do is find a guy who really wants to sell you a car and not trying to rip you off
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standardauto Posts: 14Norma,
So I assume that you got them to deal at less than invoice price (because of the $4000 dealer cash provided back then)?
If so, what was the selling price of the car and the money factor you got this for? I am desperately looking for a deal on the RRS HSE and seeing that the 08 models are due soon looking for a similar deal that you were astute enough to get. -
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hi standardauto. It is difficult to say exactly what Land Rover will do with its third quarter lease program for the Range Rover Sport. If I had to make an educated guess, I would say that its lack of lease support on this model will continue and that its residual values will drop by a point or two making it more expensive to lease in July than it is now. Again though this is just a guess.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hi herculesjefff. Mercedes-Benz is providing quite a bit of lease support on the E350 Sedan right now, but Land Rover is not providing any lease support on the Range Rover Sport. As a result, even though these two vehicles' MSRPs are similar the Range Rover Sport will be much more expensive to lease right now.
I see that you are considering making a $7,000 to $8,000 down payment on your lease. Even though your monthly payment would be higher, you would be better off going with a zero down lease and keeping that money in the bank. I always advise consumers against making large down payments on leases. Those who do risk losing all of part of the money that they put down if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. There's nothing wrong with trading in your Hummer when you lease your new Land Rover, just have the dealer cut you a check for any equity that you have in it rather than using the proceeds as a down payment. If you are upside down on your trade, you will either have to pay that money out of your own pocket or roll your negative equity into your new lease.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hey herculesjefff. Land Rover Capital Group's current buy rate lease money factor for a 24 month lease of any 2007 Range Rover Sport is .00306 for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Its money factor for a 36 month lease of this truck is slightly higher at .00333.
You're right that generally speaking the longer a lease is, the lower its monthly payment will be. This is because new vehicles experience their most rapid depreciation during the first year of ownership. The longer a lease is, the more payments there is to spread out the large initial depreciation hit out over. From time to time certain manufacturers will provide extra lease support on 24 month leases to encourage the leasing of select models for a shorter term, but more often than not short leases are more expensive than long ones.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hi standardauto. Let's work up a sample lease on this truck and see what we come up with. Its monthly payment will depend upon the selling price that you are able to negotiate. The MSRP of a 2007 Land Rover Range Rover Sport HSE with the Luxury Package is $60,950. For now I will assume that you will be able to negotiate a $1,500 discount on this truck. Let me know if your actual discount is higher or lower than this. According to my calculations, if you were to lease an '07 Range Rover Sport that has an MSRP of $60,950 and a selling price of $59,450 through Land Rover Capital Group right now for 36 months with 12,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment would be around $1,015. It doesn't look like you are going to be able to get this truck for the $900 per month that you are looking for. You'd have to get this truck for around dealer invoice for that to happen and given the lack of lease support on this model right now I suspect that you won't be able to find a dealer that is willing to sell you one for that low a price. You may want to stop by the following discussion to see how much other community members have paid for similar vehicles lately: "Land Rover Range Rover/Sport: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".
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british_rover Posts: 8,476There aren't many 2007 Sports around right now so no big discounts. Maybe if you catch a demo or at the end of the month if someone is one sale away from an objective but that is it.
Also think how many more E350s Merc sales compared to Range Rover Sports. I bet Mercedes sales more E-classes in the US then Land Rover sells vehicles period. All of that volume allows them to put support behind the vehicle that Land Rover can't and/or won't do.
The reason dealers aren't discounting 2007 RRS is because there are not many out there.
I think I even said this would happen back last year when people asked of the 2007 MY discounts would equal the 2006 MY discounts. With 2007 MY being a short production run I didn't think there would be the need to discount the 2007 MY vehicles like the 2006 MY cars were.
At the end of the 2006 MY Land Rover put 4,000 dollars of marketing support behind the RRS. So far Land Rover has not put a penny of support behind the 2007 MY RRS.
Some dealers are sold out of 2007 Sports. I am.
I just checked in new england and right now there are 112 HSE Sports showing unsold in dealer inventories. There are only 40 SC Sports unsold in dealer inventories. That is only about 11 sports per dealer if you divide them all evenly which of course they are not because some of the dealers are HUGE and some are very small.
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Washington - Mar 2, 2007 - Radio stations that simulcast an over-the-air signal on the Internet need to take note of a decision passed by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) that sets new royalty rates retroactive to 2006 for radio station non-subscription Internet transmissions. The CRB's action applies only to the payment of monthly royalties. The decision does not affect the recordkeeping or playlist aspects of streaming. The final decision has not been publicly released and likely will be appealed, but if finalized in its current form, the changes are unfavorable. Here are several comments as to the March 2 decision and its potential impact to consider.
1. This proceeding has been ongoing since 2005, as the previous royalty rates that applied to those streaming on the Internet were effective only through Dec. 31, 2005. Internet radio stations have been paying royalties through 2006 and into 2007 at the 2005 rates, with the understanding that these rates would be adjusted retroactively when the Copyright Royalty Board reached its final decision in this proceeding.
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I shower my little, furry boy with kisses. Lately, I have felt as though I live… nowhere. I had been looking so forward to the month of November as a crazy, jam-packed month that epitomized my favorite motto: "work hard, play hard." Despite the fact that I am not always good at this, I strive for balance in my life. With all the hard work I had been putting in, I was hoping to balance it right out by going extraordinarily out of my way every weekend to do incredibly fun things. Most were out of coincidence rather than my own spontaneous choice as big events quickly filled my calendar. I was ecstatic to be travelling outside of my city or state every weekend to spend so much time with family and friends. I felt like I was doing what mattered and it was great. I got to top off my month last night as Sam and I went to a dear friend's wedding. There is nothing like standing by the altar as a bridesmaid to support an act of true Love only to catch your husband's eyes in the pews and fall in Love all over again. Dangit, am I a sucker for life or what…
Now that the madness of fun is over, it's time to switch gears and settle back down in the burbs. It was a beautifully peaceful day. Perfect to sleep in, go to church, catch a midday movie, hit the trails with my running partner (the furry one), and catch-up over dinner with Sam and my dad. God, how I have missed this. Just glorious. They say it's the little things…. It's true. It's the little things that get you every time.
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