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Smudge stick waterproof liner in Damsel: A very dark brown that goes on extremely smooth with amazing smudging-ness!
Bare: A nude colored matte shadow that I use on my entire lid, before any other colors and it really helps with brightening my eyes.
Kitten: A metallic off-white that (for me) is a little too much for under my brow, but is great for the corner of your eyes, and your lower lash line.
Bliss: A matte tan. I haven't used this one much, but its a great neutral color.
Sunset: A metallic golden, coppery brown. I use this one the most for the outer edges of my lid, and I love it! On Birchbox.com, this looks like a burnt orange. This is a lie; it's a fantastic bronze that you'll love!
Sandstone: This is a dark, matte brown. It's got great staying power, and I use it across my upper lash line.
Bubbly (second row): This is like a more subtle version of Kitten, and it looks great right under your brow. It's a metallic champagne color. On the website, this one looks yellow, and it's not. Don't let the internet fool you!
Gilded Gold: Dark brown metallic with hints of gold. This is another one of my favorites, and is a less metallic version of Sunset.
Luster: This metallic shadow is brown, almost black and it makes for a great smokey eye.
Night Sky: This was the one color I was unsure of. On the Birchbox website, it looks like a metallic blue and I was like "Eh...", but in real life it's like a dark grey/blue and it's great. My mom likes this one the best, and it looks great with her brown eyes.
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Haptic holographic display turns thin air into a touchscreen October 28, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Touchscreens have become a normal part of everyday life, from the phones in our pockets to the automated checkout line at the grocery store. Touchscreens are now abundant, but one research team is working on removing the physical aspect of the screen altogether.
The best feature in iOS 8 is third-party keyboards September 18, 2014 at 10:50 am
With the release of iOS 8, third-party extensions will now — finally — be allowed on Apple's mobile devices. This brings one feature that Apple users have been begging for: third-party keyboards, and thus swipe-to-text. No longer will you be unable to reach certain letters while holding a drink in the other hand.
Microsoft Research imbues keyboard with Kinect-like gesture controls April 29, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Ever since Nintendo's Wii, gesture and motion control have, more or less, gotten a bad rap. Microsoft's Kinect didn't help the matter, as users soon realized that it requires much less effort to press a button on a controller than it does to wildly wave your arm in the air. Microsoft Research has seemingly learned from its past, and has developed a device that aims to make gesture control require much less effort.
Why do all keyboards look the same? Or: How to design a better keyboard from scratch December 12, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Why is a keyboard shaped like a keyboard? Better yet, why are all of the letters of the alphabet, numbers, and some punctuation, arranged in four slightly diagonal rows of keys — and more importantly, why has the layout of the keyboard gone almost unchanged in 100 years? There must be a really good reason, right? Wrong.
How do you type on an Apple iWatch? With Carnegie Mellon's ZoomBoard, of course! May 1, 2013 at 11:11 am
Though the only information the public currently has about smartwatches is that various big-name companies are rumored to be developing some, other outlets are already looking to fix perceived problems the devices may have. Most notably, if a watch-sized screen that sits on your wrist will act like a smartphone, how in the world will you be able to precisely poke at letters when typing? This is perhaps the biggest impediment to the success of the smartwatch, but a team at Carnegie Mellon has already developed one possible solution.
Shape-changing plastic could give touchscreens real physical clicky keyboards April 10, 2013 at 10:33 am
What if we could make a keyboard that actually pops out of the screen, and which can be depressed as we type? Strategic Polymers claims it will bring a product to market next year that can do just that, pop up keys that actually click when clicked, and that do so with a ground-breaking millisecond response time.
Sticky keys begone! The Logitech K310 washable keyboard August 22, 2012 at 6:50 am
Logitech has released the K310, its first washable keyboard. We're not just talking about "splash proof" either — you can take the K310, immerse it in up to 30cm of water (12in), and give it a good scrub.

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Curious about the newer model? Check out the 2015 Subaru Forester
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KBB Expert Rating: 6.6
With volatile gas prices compelling many large SUV owners to abandon their fuel-hungry rides, small crossovers like the third-generation 2011 Subaru Forester have never looked better. An agile vehicle built to handle practically anything man or nature can put before its tires, the latest iteration has a much more contemporary-looking exterior complemented by a more spacious interior and a smoother, quieter ride. And with a respectable four-cylinder Boxer engine under the hood and Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard, the Forester offers the capability of an SUV with fuel economy that won't break the bank. This segment has seen a lot of growth in the last few years, but the Forester can go places the Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V and Nissan Rogue can't.
If you like your SUVs to be true to the "Utility" in "Sport Utility Vehicle," while still being small enough to comfortably maneuver in a city, the Forester may be the vehicle for you. With a low starting price, standard AWD, proven reliability, more towing power than many others in its class and great visibility all around, there's certainly a lot to love.
If you want a V6 engine, room for seven or rear-seat entertainment, the 2011 Subaru Forester may not be for you. And although a manual transmission is offered on some trims, a SportShift four-speed automatic is the only transmission available with the turbocharged engine.
A revised model range now includes Standard, Premium, Limited and Touring trims for the 2.5X, and Premium and Touring trims for the turbocharged 2.5XT. An all-new 2.5-liter engine produces more low-end torque and better mileage in the base trims, while Bluetooth is now standard on all but the base models. New radios include an available removable TomTom navigation unit and a rear backup camera (standard on Touring trims.)
Driving Impressions Off-roading in the 2011 Subaru Forester showcased the vehicle's stiffer suspension, direct steering and notable ground clearance, all of which came into play when traversing rocks and ditches. Also helpful...
was the Forester's standard Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive (AWD) system, capable of transferring up to 100 percent of the available power to the wheels with the best traction. Back on the pavement, we liked the added get-up-and-go provided by turbocharged models (who wouldn't?), but those with a more practical and budget-minded outlook will be just as happy buzzing around town with the normally-aspirated engine. Getting in and out of both rows of seats was a breeze thanks to wide-opening doors, and we found the all-around visibility from the driver's seat to be excellent; a boon when changing lanes, reversing, and exploring dirt roads.Rear Visibility
Being able to see what's behind a vehicle when backing up, changing lanes, or even venturing off-road can make a big difference in how someone behaves while driving. The Forester's large back window allows the driver to see an object only 39 inches tall within 39 inches of the vehicle.
Panoramic Moonroof
Although not as large as others we've seen, this moonroof provides pleasant light to both the front and rear passengers, bringing a bit of the outdoors inside.
The 2011 Subaru Forester features gauges that are colorful and easy to read, plus audio and climate controls configured in a logical, clear manner. A single cup holder is located next to the driver, while an additional bottle holder is situated in each door. Back in the second row, leg room is plentiful and the seats are wide and comfortable. In all trims except the 2.5X, the second-row seats recline. Cargo room in the back is a respectable 33.5 cubic feet, made all the more accessible thanks to a wide-opening rear gate door.
ExteriorThe latest version of the Subaru Forester is a little less wagon and a little more modern crossover. Overall, the vehicle bears a slight resemblance to the BMW X3, with its swept-up rear quarter window and sporty wheels. The Forester offers up to 8.9 inches of ground clearance, a necessary requirement when the road gets ugly. Up front, a large grille and "hawk eye" headlight treatment impart an aggressive appearance, especially when paired with the available turbocharged engine's air scoop and fog lights. The optional chrome door handles and tailpipe add a bit of fresh bling to the Forester's exterior, while the wheelwells are filled with 16-inch steel or available 17-inch alloy wheels.
The base 2011 Subaru Forester 2.5X comes equipped with a five-speed manual transmission, Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive, Hill Start Assist, 16-inch steel wheels and 8.7-inches of ground clearance. Notable interior touches include a height-adjustable driver's seat with adjustable lumbar support and auto-off headlights. Bluetooth hands-free phone connectivity, audio streaming and iPod integration is standard on all but the base trim. Opting for the XT trim will add the turbocharged engine, SportShift four-speed automatic transmission with manual shift control, 17-inch wheels (helping to bump ground clearance to 8.9 inches), fog lights, 10-way power driver's seat, rear backup camera and a telescoping steering column. The new Touring model adds HID low-beam headlamps with automatic height adjustment, dual-zone automatic climate control, electroluminescent gauges and side mirrors with integrated turn signals. To help keep occupants safe and sound, both X and XT trims feature six airbags, Vehicle Dynamics Control and anti-lock brakes (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution and Brake Assist.
Some of the 2011 Subaru Forester's most attractive options include a removable TomTom navigation system (Premium trim) or integrated navigation radio (Limited and Touring), leather seating, power driver's seat, panoramic moonroof, steering wheel-mounted audio controls, premium sound, automatic climate control, satellite radio (choice of XM or Sirius), and cold-climate desirables like heated seats, heated side mirrors and a windshield wiper de-icer.
Powering the base Forester X is a newly revised 170-horsepower four-cylinder Boxer engine (a "flat" engine in which the pistons lie horizontally, an advantage of which is a lower center of gravity) with a five-speed manual transmission, available only in this trim. The new engine features a longer stroke and a chain-driven dual overhead cam replacing the old engine's belt driven single overhead cam. Moving up to the Limited adds a four-speed automatic transmission, while the XT trims come with a 224-horsepower turbocharged Boxer engine (this engine does not benefit from the updates to the normally aspirated 2.5-liter engine.) Although the base engine is practical for around town driving, those looking for a little more power without a significant drop in fuel economy will likely appreciate all that the turbocharged version has to offer – if they don't mind paying for premium gas.
2.5-liter Boxer-4
170 horsepower @ 6000 rpm
174 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4100 rpm
EPA Estimated City/Highway Mileage: 21/27 (manual), 21/27 (automatic)
2.5-liter Boxer-4 Turbocharged
224 horsepower@ 5200 rpm
226 lb.-ft. of torque @ 2800 rpm
EPA Estimated City/Highway Mileage: 19/24
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Based on 234 Ratings for the 2009 - 2013 models.
Review this carBy Irven on Wednesday, January 14, 2015
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 42,000
overall rating 8 of 10rating detailsPros: "Solid value"
Cons: "Parts too expensive"
Likely to recommend this car? (1-10): 8
"During my career of snow removal in the Sierra I have driven many vehicles in the snow, and the Forester is as good as any."
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By baldy on Saturday, December 06, 2014
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 53,000
overall rating 10 of 10rating detailsPros: "good value in base model, good handeling, sturdy"
Cons: "none"
Likely to recommend this car? (1-10): 10
"I have owned Forester 6.5 years. Bought it new. It is a 2nd car for us used in severe winter weather. Keep Michelin snow tires on year around as do not use much in good weather. Winter is where it shines. Love the handling. Paid $21000 new in 2008 still worth $12,000 . Could sell it in a day. No repairs yet. Brakes will be soon. No rust . I plan to use 4 more years at which time it will have 65000 to 70000 miles . It will still sell in a day in my driveway for a lot. Like $7900. People here in the back country hunt for these when used but clean. It makes a good match with our big loaded Honda Pilot. I believe the basic Forester is the very best value in a basic safe winter car. Load them up and like any car the value goes away ."
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By lewis on Friday, November 14, 2014
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 104,000
overall rating 1 of 10rating detailsPros: "check engine lights light up the dash very well"
Cons: "can't see on dash led light."
Likely to recommend this car? (1-10): 1
"I was told not to buy this car even by the dealership. not sure why, as the vehicle had low miles, looked at the carfax and that was good. this is the 5 speed manual transmission. I purchased an extended warranty and my first unpleasant surprise was that the worry free driving was about to end. the throw out bearing($1,000) had premature failure, and was not covered by the extended warranty(read the fine print). Next the catalytic converters failed, another $1,100 and now replacement of the timing belt and water pump, another $1,000. this past weekend it snowed in MN and now I have more engine work related to the exhaust system, another $200+. none of this work covered by any warranty and the dealership told me to call the Subaru USA number. they offered $200 out of pity, but still have not received the voucher in over a month. my advice is to run, not walk away from this "rugged, reliable vehicle" and to read closely any aftermarket warranty sold by Subaru. read the posts from consumers with multiple problems with the 2009 and newer Foresters, you will be shocked how the quality of these vehicles has gone down hill. I purchased the Forester in 2011. i'm retired and these repair bills have been devastating."
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By SubiOwner on Friday, October 31, 2014
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 37,500
overall rating 9 of 10rating detailsPros: "Value solid reliable"
Cons: "dealer service dealer service dealer service"
Likely to recommend this car? (1-10): 8
"After 4 years with this Subaru, I am impressed with its solid feel and consistent reliability. Great for carrying large items like bikes - easily. Comfortable as well. Downside: mileage is about 21 MPG - expected better. Brakes do not inspire confidence. Transmission thumps into gear, but that's how it works. Had I known the dealer service before buying, I would never have bought the car. When I asked about the spongy brakes, they question my driving skills. There was 1 minor recall that took several appointments to resolve. Routine maintenance like an oil change is $$$, twice or three times as much as any other car. 30,000 mile service is like a down payment."
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By paul on Saturday, October 25, 2014
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 22,000
overall rating 6 of 10rating detailsLikely to recommend this car? (1-10): 1
"No temp gage ---- sun visor not wide enough--noisy---xmission down shifts often--seats to short for good support---leather fair quality--overall no problems, but would not buy again"
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By Can't see the road... on Wednesday, October 22, 2014
I own this car - My approximate mileage is 24,000
overall rating 5 of 10rating detailsPros: "All wheel drive"
Cons: "Questionable headlights"
Likely to recommend this car? (1-10): 1
"I bought this car with the intention of keeping for quite a few years. I'm afraid that won't be possible unless I can get the headlights improved. The low beam illumination is minimal at best and Subaru tells me they redesigned the headlights because of complaints about the low beams. Will the new headlights fit in this car? NO. Can I put brighter bulbs in this car? NO. So, apparently, I spent top dollar for bad headlights that they knew about and have no way of fixing. Needless to say, I am not happy."
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Following up on Glenn's recent post about taste tests, I propose we do one of the exercises common in the tomato groups: everyone name your top 10 tasting apple varieties by following up here. In a week or so when there are enough votes, someone can rank varieties by how many top-10 votes they get. This exercise does not take into account different climates, ease or difficulty of growing, early vs late, what varieties people may or may not have tried, etc, so it is best to view it as some fun with a bit of information attached.
Without further ado, here is my top-10 tasting apple varieties of the moment, in no particular order: Wickson - tastes like a peach/apple cross
My rankings are primarily based on my own orchard fruits. I find store- or market-bought Fujis to be nothing special so it would not make my top-10 based on that. Also I have many varieties which have not fruited yet or not fruited often enough which I am sure will bump out some of the above. Scott |
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- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Wed, Jul 16, 08 at 16:44
Sounds great Scott! Thanks! I'd like to contribute, but most of my apples are still young. For the most part, only my Granny Smith and Red Delicious (for the wife) have actually produced prior to this year. For what it's worth, I've always loved my Granny Smith even before I was growing, and it tastes even better when I get them off my tree now. I think it would always make my top 10. So, although it's quite common in stores, etc, I think I'm only qualified to list that 1 variety in my very short list. (I certainly would not add RD). :-) Your list is much more interesting and helpful. Looking forward to seeing people's lists! Without further ado, here is my top-1 tasting apple variety of the moment, in no particular order: Granny Smith - Large, firm, crisp and very juicy with a tart, sprightly taste. (But, take it with a grain of salt, my exposure has been limited) |
My vote goes to Goldrush. that said, I only tasted no more than 3 varieties of apples picked fresh from the tree. |
These are the best apples I've grown starting with the best first. Most of my experience with apples was in Amarillo Texas where I tried at least 80 old and new cultivars: Pink Lady: Superb sweet/tart flavor, needs long season Prettiest apple I ever grew: Virginia Gold Biggest: Some Stark Giant but Sekai Ichi much better Real losers: Arkansas Black, Cox's Orange Pippin, Granny Smith, Mutsu, Northern Spy Childhhod favorite: Whitney Crab A few I'd like to try: SunCrisp, Pixie Crunch, CrimsonCrisp The Fruitnut |
If this is primarily apples grown at home or nearby, my list is rather limited and has nothing exotic at all. I like all my apples about equally!! I have Jonerthon [yes], Jon-A-Red, Golden Delicious, Jonagold, Gala, Winesap, and Red Delicious. Come January, my best tasting one is RD!! I must have a superior strain. |
Just goes to show that some varieties that are good in some climates are terrible in others. Our taste test results so for for hot Southern California; Rubinette The worst we grow; Northern Spy (which fruits heavily in 350 chill hours, by the way). Applenut |
- Posted by patapscomike z7 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 8:54
I can't vouch for 10, but having grown up next door to an orchard (Close's Orchard in Westminster), having worked on an apple orchard in Michigan (Schwallier Brothers), I have a few I truly love. Paula Red- right off the tree, in Michigan, this was the best tasting apple I've ever eaten bar none. Sweet and tart, great texture, wonderful color and aroma, just perfect. They don't travel well, which is a shame since not many get to taste these at their peak flavor. Golden Delicious- we had two of these at my house growing up, and more in the orchard next to us. When tree-ripened they are a wonderful apple. Very, very sweet with almost a honey taste and a great texture. They also store very well and resist turning brown when cut so they are perfect for dehydrating. Fuji- agree with the above comments. This is a great, great apple. If I plant another tree it will probably be a Fuji. Winesap- Close's had many of these, and I would make myself sick eating these by the bucketful. Spitter apples- for me, Red Delicious tops the list with Lodi a close second. Why anyone would pay money for these apples is beyond me. |
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 9:48
Here are the Dave Wilson taste testing results that Scott mentioned in the other posting. These results are nice because they come from a large number of people, over many years. But, some people here on the forum have questioned the Cameo making the list. 7.2 Red Fuji (BC2) (11-16-01) |
Here is a link that might be useful: Dave Wilson Taste Test results Page
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 9:57
Here are the Monticello Apple Taste Test results that Austransplant mentioned in the other posting. Again, many years, many people. Good info: 2007: 1. Albemarle Pippin #2, 2. Roxbury Russet 3. Pomme Gris 4. Esopus Spitzenburg 5) Albemarle Pippin #1 6. Baldwin 7. Golden Russet |
Here is a link that might be useful: Monticello Apple Taste Test Results
- Posted by scottfsmith 6B/7A MD (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 10:55
I have a few top apple lists from some well-known apple people which I can also add. Tom Burford, Virginia (top 20): American Beauty Ed Fackler, Indiana (ranked 1-20): 1. Sweet 16 - expensive bourbon with a shot of vanilla! Much easier to grow up north. Tom Vorbeck: see applesource webpage. Scott |
- Posted by lycheeluva 6/7 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 11:52
wow- the Albemarle Pippin sure did well in the Monticello taste tests- has anyone on this forum tried it? Fruit nut- i suspect your dissing of cox orange was more your opinion on their production rather than on their taste- as most people acknowledge, and certainly i include myself in the ranks, that it is one fine tasting apple (obviously, you need to have the right growing conditions- i.e. mimic english summers- cool and rainy). my fave home grown apples are cox orange pippin, golden delicious, golden russet, breaburn. i have grafted an asmead kernal scion onto my golden russet so hope to be able to opine on asmead in the coming years. |
My own apple trees are young, newly planted, and not yet producing, so all my tasting has been from the grocery store or a roadside fruit stand. I admit these are not the best conditions. Given that, my favorite apple is Winesap or Stayman Winesap. I find them rarely. Of the apples that are easy to find I like Pink Lady best. I also once tasted a funny looking, misshapen apple called a Mountaineer that I enjoyed, however I have never seen it again. I'd like to try it again and see if it lives up to memory. |
- Posted by scottfsmith 6B/7A MD (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 12:15
LL, Abermarle Pippin is the name some in the south still use for Newtown Pippin (aka Newtown). The two varieties were discovered to be the same a long time ago. I have had a few Newtown Pippins but I don't think I have ever had a properly aged one -- they all tasted too young to me. Re: Cox, did you get good apples off of your tree? I have not heard one positive report from anyone in a hotter climate on the taste of their Cox. So my impression is it was more than productivity (there are also disease problems as well). Rosefolly, Mountaineer tastes very similar to York Imperial. I don't recall if it is in fact the same variety or a sport; it is one of the two. Trees of Antiquity sells it. I saw them a few years ago in the stores here, but not recently. Scott |
- Posted by austransplant MD 7 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 12:22
Albermarle Pippin is a variety much grown in central VA. I've tried these twice, both times at Vintage Virginia Apples near Charlottsville VA. The first time was in mid winter and I was not impressed, just a so-so apple. The next time was a year later at VVA's festival in mid November 2007. The Albermarle Pippins tasted great -- one of the best apples I've ever eaten with the perfect blend of tart and sweet. I then saw why so much is made of them. I suspect differences in the growing seasons made a huge difference to the flavor. |
- Posted by lycheeluva 6/7 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 13:06
Scott: This is the 3rd year in the ground for my cox. Last year, I got about 5-6 apples, most of which were mealy, but 1 or 2 were great. This year, i have about 7-8 apples. time will tell how they taste. Most of the locations in the US, NY and VA included, are too hot and humid during the summer for ideal cox growing conditions. I used to eat thousands of these apples when I lived in england (store bought) and they were delicious. far superior to the store apples i find in NY. Ill try and graft a newton scion onto my apple tree next year. |
You know it is sorta like wine when it comes to the taste of apples. Fruitnut's losers are some of my top 10. I have had good luck with Newtown Pippin keeping, ate the last one in April this year. Grimes Golden may be my best all-round apple. If I could grow only one, that would be the one. Here they are: Cox Orange |
- Posted by wildlifeman n.e. washington (My Page) on Thu, Jul 17, 08 at 18:55
scott and glenn, fantastic thread for ideas. hope everyone participates. we could use a thread like this for each variety of fruit. my homegrown ( not of my own orchard) faves: grimes golden i added the summer rambo as to my taste produces the best sauce. it's an early apple that if left to mature is very nice to eat out of hand if your into tart apples. pick a bit early and you'll pucker a bit. grimes and gravenstein are are my fave eating out of hand with grimes on top. both are very versatile making great sauce,butter,pies, sweet cider, etc. grimes is recommended as a great hard cider apple but i cannot verify that from my own experience. alas the only problem i find with both are they are not "keepers". my local nursery now has grimes at my suggestion and shall plant my 1st here this fall with probably 5 more following in the spring. with luck next spring i shall learn how to graft. i have quite few old trees along with many "volunteers" that i can graft on. the volunteers in particular i don't mind screwing with and try new varieties. millers has quite a list of scion wood available and one could just go down the list with minimal costs involved to find out what works in his/her own orchard. keep it rollin' |
I posted a lengthy soapbox on how I think each apple has it's prime and they rarely overlap so a tasting is unfair. So I will name my favorite varieties. My bias is towards well-balanced sweet and sour, cidery and fragrant apples. I am not a fan of Golden Delicious and all the other cardboard apples sold in stores. I have 150 different apple varieties, but many are still young grafts. Also, when picked at just the right time, I have yet to eat a backyard grown apple I don't like, so a lot of what makes it on my list is also stuff that just happens to produce for me already. Some varieties I have not quite figured out yet, such as "Pink princess", so far, too bland and often mealy, so I probably need to pick them earlier. Here are my favorites: 1) "Berner Rosen", simply the most heavenly apple on the planet, I really think it belongs in the McIntosh family, but it's a chance seedling discovered in the woods in Central Switzerland in the 19th Century. It's still the all-time favorite over there. It's highly aromatic, sweet and tangy, just extraordinary. 2) "Pink Lady", hands down one of the best when at its prime, which out here in California when left on the tree all the way into mid January right at the end of leaf drop. It also stores incredibly well, and develops excellent flavor in amateur storage conditions. 3) "Granny Smith", no good as a table apple when picked green, but outrageously sweet and incredibly musky and flavorful when picked in early February as the fruits turn bright yellow in color. Yes, they need to stay on the tree at least into January to fully ripen, they are a truly subtropical apple needing a very long growing season. Very few people have tasted a truly ripe Granny Smith. 4) "Gala", yes, gala, this is a really good, tasty apple, fragrant and balanced, almost unbeatable when grown at home and picked at it's prime. 5) Gravenstein, I just love the fragrance of the Gravenstein, and the juice they make is soooooo good. A real treat this early in the year. 6) "Pink Pearl", great pink flesh color, awesome flavor but they need to stay on the tree long enough to reach peak sweetness and then they have to sit on the counter for another week or two to mellow before they are just right. Otherwise, they are too tannic. They don't tend to go mealy too fast either. 7) "Mutsu", a thousand times better than any Golden delicious apple, but I'd classify it in the "golden delicious-like" family like for example Hawaii. It's more tangy and complex and aromatic than Golden Delicious. My tree ripened mutsus don't stay in the fruit basket very long, they're gone within a very short time of coming into the house. Everyone in my house loves them. I've bought some at the farmer's market and was sorely disappointed, as they didn't taste nearly as good as what I got off my own tree. 8) Jonagold - excellent when grown at home, but I don't recommend this apple to be bought in stores, even the organic store bought Jonagold have no aroma whatsoever and taste pretty much like cardboard. But my backyard jonagolds are simply delicious. 9) "Hauer Pippin", a very late, January ripening apple that is far too tannic to eat in November or December, but it can also be picked early and stores all the way into April. It's delicious, sweet, cidery, and aromatic. I couldn't stop eating mine until they were all gone. 10) Spigold, a really awesome apple, quite late here, taking all the way to thanksgiving before they ripen for me. I've eaten it at tastings too and always liked it very much. |
I think this shows more that tastes are extremely subjective and the only way to know if you'll like an apple is to taste it for yourself. I also have only had 3 apples fresh that I knew what they were and remember where and when it was. I just found a Yellow transparent I'll hopefully be tasting within the month. McIntosh - has always been my favorite, this and Granny Smith are only store bought apple I'll consider buying. I'm getting another tree. Ones I remember liking but don't remember where or when I had them are Yellow Transparent and Granny Smith. |
My yellow transparent started to ripen. I find that this apple is delicious provided you eat it within a 1 day window when it's just right. I pick mine when they smell fragrant and then let them sit on the counter for a day to mellow them a bit. Then they have to be eaten right away otherwise they go mealy. When eaten at the right time, it's delicious, very fruity, sweet and lemony. It's really not very dense, so it goes mealy very quickly. It's by far the one apple with the absolute shortest shelf life I know of. But who cares if what you want are fresh apples. I wonder if one could get a second, December ripening crop by stripping the leaves after the first harvest. |
This thread has my mind, and taste buds, reeling. I really like the opinions, even though I know so many things affect how an apple turns out - weather, water, fertility. I've been growing my orchard for nine years but have had very limited success because I was not able to put in the time it took to do it right. I got more serious in '06, but the crows got them ALL. Freeze in '07 got everything again, but this year everything has done very well and I've bagged 900 apples. I swore off G. Delicious when I was a teen after eating the mealy things from the A&P, but the few I've had off the tree up here have been fabulous. Part of that is that I was excited to get ANYTHING to eat off my trees, but it was delightful. My Spitz has given me half a dozen in all that time and they are a HUGE hit with the few lucky souls that I have shared them with. And I've posted here about the lousy luck I've had with Cox up here in north Georgia. I have Mutsu, Fuji, and Arkansas Black but all are too young to bear so I can't really give a broad ranging opinion here, but after reading up on many varieties over the years, many of the one's listed here are on my short list. Thanks for the thread, Scott! Herbert |
Tastes do vary, but apples of the same variety vary an awful lot as well. Unfortunately most of us cann't leave apples on the tree until January. Makes me think I need to try apples in my greenhouse again!! Thanks for all the good ideas. Axel sc: Can tell you know your apples and your taste seems similar to mine. Have you tried Sundowner? May try that in my greenhouse as it is said to be even longer season than Pink Lady and better flavored. The Fruitnut |
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Fri, Jul 18, 08 at 9:38
This really has been a great thread. In the opening paragraph of this thread, Scott talked about ranking the varieties. This could be a little difficult to do considering the variety of data sets that are coming in. Here's what I was thinking: +1 point for every recommendation from individuals. But, I wouldn't want to do this until the activity has calmed down, so as not to skew someone's opinion. I might write it up as: GardenWeb's Fruit & Orchard Forum's Apple Taste Test Results (as of 7/25/08) I suspect as soon as we do the ranking, we'll get another 3 postings. Once again, to reiterate my stance, we all know that a number of things affect apple taste (weather, location, soil, etc. etc. etc.), but this is just one more bit of information (among many pieces of information) we'll be able to use when looking to plant a new variety. With nursery's saying that every apple is a best-tasting-apple, it's hard to detmine the generally better tasting ones from the generally not-as-good tasting ones. Hopefully I won't have hijacked this thread with a ranking subthread! |
Alel sc or anyone else know where you could get Berner Rosen (Berne Rose) either a tree or budwood? The Fruitnut |
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Fri, Jul 18, 08 at 10:55
Hi Axel- I think I agree with a lot of what you said. (I'll even stand on your soap box with you for most of it!) Agreed, soil, weather, micro-climate, growing season, etc, etc, etc. will all make a huge difference. And, just because variety X comes in highly ranked, I certainly wouldn't choose that variety on that ranking alone. Growing zone, growing subtleties, personal preference, disease resistance, other growers opinions, etc. etc. etc all come in to play. It's just one more piece of information, among many, to help distinguish the generally better tasting apples from the generally not-as-good tasting apples. Nurseries have embellished their descriptions to the point where it's hard to decipher any taste information. Will my mileage on a particular variety vary? Of Course. I will have to disagree with you when it comes to disease resistance. Should it be "the defining factor"? No. Should it be "a factor" in the decision, yes. After getting my butt kicked for years by CAR, scab, PM, flyspeck, sooty blotch, etc, sometimes you just get sick of fighting nature. Given a choice, if two apple varieties are of about the same quality, all other things being equal, I'll take the DR variety. No it doesn't have to be a blemish free apple, but, where I live, unchecked, CAR and scab will seriously hinder or even kill a tree. This is why I was psyched to see AppleNut's William's Pride make his top 10 list. I was worried about WP's flavor because it's such an early apple… This makes recommendation makes me rest easier (by +1 point). I have also have friends who aren't all that interesting in spending all their free time on their plants, but were still interested in an apple tree. DR trees are a way of getting decent apples without as much time spent spraying. Thanks for all the other good info in your post. With all the talk, I'm considering a Rhode Island Greening. (If I weren't to devote an entire tree to it, it would certainly be one of the varieties I'd graft on first) I like to stay will within my zone (6b), and Pink Lady is at the very edge of my zone. Granny Smith is supposed to be able to go down to zone 5, but I don't buy it. I can just barely do it here. For that reason, although everyone loves it, I'll probably have to pass on the PL. I probably would opt for another variety over the Cox Orange Pippin just because they are difficult to grow. I like trees that give me good results and are excited about life! I do also plan to do a lot of grafting of other varieties onto my trees as you mention. But, I still would like a better tasting host tree to work with, if possible. Off to grafting class I go! Thanks again for all your helpful advice, and for posting in the other thread too! -Glenn |
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Fri, Jul 18, 08 at 11:00
Oh crap. I put the post in the wrong thread. Sorry. -G |
- Posted by austransplant MD 7 (My Page) on Fri, Jul 18, 08 at 12:13
Glenn, I have just eaten a William's Pride off my tree here in suburban Maryland near Washington DC. I am pleased with the flavor. I like crisp apples, and WP is crisp with some acidity and sweetness at the same time. Way better than most supermarket apples you can buy. The tree (on M7) has grown vigorously and (touch wood) to this point has had absolutely no disease issues. We live near lots of red cedars, but no sign of cedar apple rust (my enterprise, another disease resistant apple, has only a very little of it). No sign of scab or fireblight, though my neighbor's pears a block away got seriously hit by fireblight. I think WP is a great tree for anyone who wants some good tasting apples in the summer and wants to minimize spraying. Incidentally, I was using sandwhich bags on the fruit. The crop this year has not been large; it's the first year of fruit, and I've got about a dozen good sized apples. The main problem with the bags is that the bits you cut off to give some ventilation tend to stick together, especially when wet. |
- Posted by franktank232 z5 WI (My Page) on Fri, Jul 18, 08 at 15:25
I should know more about the varieties i like, but have never written down what is what. Just across the river is a whole slew of apple orchards that grow a ton of different varieties. I know the king over there is the McIntosh (my favorite). I'll have to go buy a bunch of different bags of apples and pic my favorites. |
Williams Pride is a nice surprise for us. We get intense early heat, about 105F while it is blossoming. Despite this it sets every fruit in the cluster, and bore quite well the second year even on M111 rootstock. It seems to actually turn darker the hotter it is, the ones in the sun turning purple. It's tough to determine when they're fully ripe, as the color develops way before they're ready; wait until the stem end is red (but if you wait too long they get mushy). They have a totally different character than our other early apples, being much more firm, crisp, and spicy; almost like a fall apple. They blow away anything we can get in the store. Lack of chill doesn't seem to bother them, and it is the apple I reccomend to farmers in the tropics of Africa who are trying to compete with Chinese imports. Applenut |
Fruitnut, yes, I think I will try to find sundowner, sounds like a good subtropical apple for around here. I can get you Berner Rosen wood this Winter. I grafted William's pride last Winter, it's still small, but I can't wait. I am looking for high quality Summer apples, because I believe they would do well here - our Summers have overnight lows that sometimes drop into the low 40's, perfect for flavoring up Summer apples. I am also interested in Pricillia, anyone try this one? Glenn, sorry, I may have overstated the disease resistance issue. A disease resistant apple is a better choice. What I meant to say is that I've been in many disease infested backyards where the diseases were not an issue for the end-user, the apples still had excellent flavor. I prefer a disease free garden, so I pamper my trees. But I am growing Cox orange pippin even though I've heard it's a nightmare because of it's susceptibility to disease. Anyone had any experience with the Anise flavored apples like Ellison's Orange? I have an entire tree of Sierra Gold in the ground this year, has one apple on it, I hear it has a hint of aniseed. I can't wait to taste it. |
Axel sc: Thank you, I'd like to get wood of Berner Rosen this winter. Doubt I have any apples you don't have but could trade stonefruit. I'm also willing to pay. Have you ever heard of Delblush apple? Another European apple that was recommended to me by a longtime pomologist at Oregon State. Said it was his all time favorite. Also, have you seen any effect of water regime on apple fruit quality? I have lately become very aware of a large effect of water on the quality of all my fruit but mainly stonefruit. Too much water reduces sweetness and flavor. A mild to moderate water stress really makes great, even spectacular stonefruit. I think the typical commercially grown stonefruit and apples are overwatered. But they need large size and pretty fruit. I much appreciate firm, sweet, flavorful fruit. It makes a huge difference on plums, pluots, and nectarines. Last yr my Gala were spectacular. They were also somewhat water stressed. Haven't noticed you posting much before. Hope you will stay on board. I've learned a great deal here. We need highly knowlegeable fruit lovers like you!!!! The Fruitnut |
Over the past 15 years, I've had - at one time or another - over 60 varieties of apples grafted & growing(most on a combo M9/M111 rootstock), but this is the first year for a decent crop on all that are still in existence - probably 20 in all. Production has been so minimal that I can't really compile much of a list. Hopefully, there are enough fruits on the late-season ripeners that I'll actually get a chance to sample some of them - usually, the big European hornets eat them all up before they ever get anywhere close to ripening. Of those that have cropped more than a couple of years(and that's a very small group), my list is, as follows: Centennial Crab - this one keeps surprising people when I offer it to them - they hear 'crab' and think it's going to be a sour, astringent thing - NOT! My college-age son is home this week, and he's raving over its taste. MonArk - a good apple in its own right, and fantastic for an early-season ripener. Callaway crab - actually an ornamental crab, but it's a favorite for eating out-of-hand, by the pocketful, in my family. Kerr Crab - while it's a half-sib to Centennial(both are Dolgo offspring), it's a little smaller, more tart, and has crisp white flesh, as opposed to Centennial's sweet yellow. Lodi and Early Harvest both had good crops this year, and both go mealy very rapidly; Lodi at its peak is quite tart, and very much to my liking. Early Harvest, smaller, with a nice flavor - and less 'bite' than Lodi. Neither are likely to place, much less win, in a taste test, but those first apples of the season are a welcome treat. Red-fleshed crabs typically don't make the grade here, but Almata has a nice crop this year, and they're fairly tasty, even though they're not fully ripe yet. |
- Posted by scottfsmith 6B/7A MD (My Page) on Sat, Jul 19, 08 at 12:59
Heres the mentions so far above which got more than one vote. I let the experts count all 20 given all their experience, but forgot Toms since it was not on the page above. I didn't double count any from the Monticello tastings, I just counted any apple liked in the last 5 years as "1". If I counted all years separately those would dominate all the other information. And, I probably made several mistakes! 2 Gravenstein I think more lists are needed before this means a lot, but maybe its a bit of a help to a starter. Scott |
Fruitnut, no need to trade. I get all the wood I want from the local CRFG exchange, there are usually 600-800 varieties of apples available, I have room only for about 150, 200 if I do a lot of multi-grafts. What I am looking for next year is: I am adding sundowner to my list, we'll see how it does here. I like to have apples on my trees until February. Applenut, can you tell me which apples will set a second crop for you down there? I know Anna will, but have you tried defoliating any of the other early apples to see if they'll set again? My Edmund's pippin and Karmijin and hubbertson nonethesuch have decided to bloom again as of late July. I have some thoughts on water stress. I water my trees only once a week. Water stress as a whole affects each fruit differently. I have some German apple literature that actually spells out which apples like it moist and which ones like it dry. I believe the apples with really dense flesh do better with extra water, whereas the ones with softer flesh like Gala do better with less water, otherwise they get too watery. Similarely for plums, the European plums and mirabelles tend to be on the dry side, and if they don't get enough water they are no good. The Japanese plums, on the other hand, like for example Santa Rosa prefer drier conditions and will make sweeter fruit. As a whole, a good organic foliar spray does the best for excellent flavor because it will add the right micro-nutrients to make for sweeter fruits. Lack of magnesium is often responsible for fruit that is not sweet enough - I get that a lot with my citrus. |
I don't know if the fruit is doing better but I know every time we get a good rain my Arkansas Black spreads noticeably, so the dense apples seem willing to soak up the extra water quickly. Are you thinking it makes them taste better, softens them up or just adds to the juice they hold? |
All the fruit where I've been able to tell a difference are sweeter, firmer and more flavorful with moderate water stress. Axel sc is saying it can depend on variety. But I believe he is talking mainly apples and I'm talking mainly stonefruit. My plums and pluots this yr are bigger than normal because I over watered for about three weeks during the final swell stage. My plums on trees in pots, same variety same rootstock, are 1/2 to 2/3 the size but much firmer and sweeter. I much prefer the firmer sweeter fruit. I've read that some of the best stonefruit in CA comes from dryland orchards in coastal valleys. These would be old slow growing trees with a deep root system that get little rain after fruit set. I tend to believe these reports. You need a drought tolerant rootstock for such a system. Not the Citation I have. But I'm always looking for a better mouse trap. The Fruitnut |
- Posted by wildlifeman n.e. washington (My Page) on Fri, Jul 25, 08 at 3:20
all, on an earlier post on this thread i referred to millers in reference to scion wood. was thinking of this thread when making my fruit tree rounds when i realized my mistake. maple valley orchards was the source i was referring to regarding scion wood. please accept my apologies for any and all consternation this may have caused my fellow garden webbers,millers or maple valley orchards. maybe it's the excitement of learning to graft or just plain the variety of scions available that contributed to my new apple variety fever. smiles ! regards, |
- Posted by virginiald 6-7 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 26, 08 at 15:19
Fascinating thread. I have a question to those of you who have tasted all the various 'Pippins'. I'm craving Cox's Orange Pippin, having grown up with them in England, but I'm told that here in SW Virginia it's too hot for them and fireblight is a problem. Some of you also say you have had problems with it. Does the Newtown Pippin actually taste like a Cox? One of you mentioned Suncrisp to get that 'cox' flavor. Would that grow in SW VA? Do they need another variety as a pollinator? I have four other apple trees but don't know what they are. Two of them may be some kind of Jonathon cross. I would have submitted them as a 'favorite' if only I knew what they were! Coxes and Russets are certainly at the top of my list. Virginia in Virginia |
Virginia: Cann't tell you anything about the Pippins but did read an interesting article about Suncrisp that has me wanting to try one. Article was in July 2008 Good Fruit Grower. It is supposed to combine the best of Cox Orange and Gold Del. Matures in Oct in Ohio, blooms very late, so escapes late freezes. Stores well but is very susceptible to fireblight. I've never had fireblight on anything in TX so that doesn't scare me. It's avaliable from Adams County Nursery. So it's supposed to be a great apple that will never be widely grown because of fb and mediocere appearance, just my kind of apple. The Fruitnut |
- Posted by virginiald 6-7 (My Page) on Sun, Jul 27, 08 at 17:31
Sounds good. I checked Vintage Virginia Apples, an orchard near Charlottesville, VA, and they have Suncrisp as well as the Cox. They also have some tastings coming up in Sept and Oct so I think I'll go to those and let my taste buds make the decision. I am also intrigued by the idea of multiple grafting so I don't have to tend so many trees, but that may be a kindergartner wanting to go straight to college. Virginia in Virginia |
Favorites not from my own orchard, but the neighboring orchard 1- Honeycrisp |
It's August now and I've had a chance to sample a few Summer apples. Anyone have a list of favorites? So far, I've sampled the following: - Gravenstein, by far the most flavorful and aromatic of all of the Summer apples. It's really tasty, and one of the most interesting than all of the Summer apples with all of the smells and aromas. It's a very complex flavor, and I love the uneven shape with the greasy skin. That's the way an apple should be. Too bad it doesn't store so well, there's a rather short window of time when the apple turns from being too sour to just perfect before it goes mealy. - Pristine (PRI's 'Co-op 32'): Excellent flavor and texture, has very nice aromas after it's had a chance to sit on the counter for a week or two and doesn't go mealy. Here in Santa Cruz it's a yellow apple with a very nice red flush. It easily rivals some of the Winter apples when it comes to both flavor, texture and storage qualities. It's got that real apple flavor. - Sunrise: this one is so so, reminds me a bit of store bought cameos when picked a little early, but they do go mushy more quickly and they lack any aroma whatsoever. They have the stripes that make them look like a Gravenstein, but they are rounder and better shaped than the gravensteins. It's not one I would want to grow. - Yellow transparent: Excellent if picked just right and left on the counter for just a day so it's not mealy, but sweet enough to eat. Then it's like a cross in between a meadow and a lemon tree. But the time window to eat it in between being too astringent and too mealy is so short that it makes me wonder why I grow it, we're talking hours here. So perhaps I might keep a branch or two but grow some other Summer apples on the same tree. The new early strain of "Anna" comes in well before Yellow transparent and is probably better tasting. Anybody else have any good recommendations? |
I have not tasted the majority listed but a few that I am growing and like a lot are hawaii, winesap, summer banana, red june, and cinnamon spice. Red june though small is one of the prettiest apples I have ever seen. |
- Posted by scottfsmith 6B/7A MD (My Page) on Thu, Aug 7, 08 at 12:28
Axel, it is still a bit early for my early apples but I am starting to get a few good ones now. Gravenstein - also very good here but I am still working on finding the optimal picking and eating times. Golden Nugget - this is a wonderful apple which comes quite early for me; it is considered an early fall and not summer apple however. It is a Cox x Golden Delicious. It has dense flesh with a lot of flavor and is a very attractive russet as well (the russet is sometimes not covering the whole apple). It doesn't go mealy so fast. Jefferis - this is a very pleasant early apple, with a unique aromatic flavor. Hard to find the picking window. Lucky is a big fan of MonArk for its earliness and long eating window and I have a tree, but it has become the deer's favorite and they are keeping it only a couple feet tall here. Signe Tillisch and Croncels are a couple other early apples I am growing. I think they are best as cooking apples. Scott |
- Posted by glenn_russell 6b, RI (My Page) on Fri, Aug 8, 08 at 10:47
Hi All- My numbers look very similar to Scott's, but I did calculate them slightly differently. As I mentioned above, I counted taste test results (using multiple people) as +2 instead of +1. I also subtracted -0.5 for people dissing an apple. In the case of the Monticello Apple Taste Test, the top 10 performers over the years were each given 2 points. Sometimes it was hard to tell if someone was voting for an apple, or just talking about it, so sorry if I didn't count your vote/discussion correctly. I also kept people's names, growing zones, and comments with the apples so as to help people considering a certain variety. Since I've only been growing apples for 3 years now, I'm not familiar with some of the varieties… some people called the apples by slightly different names. Hopefully I combined all the votes correctly. Like Scott, this took a while to add up, so there likely are a couple mistakes in the list. Sorted 1st by rating, 2nd by alphabetical. Disclaimer: Once again, there are many other things besides this list to consider when growing an apple (location, soil, disease resistance, etc. etc. etc), this is just one more piece of information that can be used. Sorry for any mistakes. Thank you for everyone's participation!!! -Glenn Esopus Spiztenberg (7) Winesap (7) Ashmead's Kernel (6) Gala: (6) Fuji (6) Honey Crisp (5) Pink Lady: (5) Gold Rush (4) Jonagold (4) Golden Delicious (3.5) Granny Smith (3.5) Cox's Orange Pippin (3) Ralls Genet (3) Golden Russet (3) Grimes Golden (3) McIntosh (3) Newton Pippen (3) Stayman Winesap (3) Sundowner (3) Arkansas Black (2.5) Albemarle Pippin (2) Baldwin (2) Braeburn (2) Cameo (2) Cortland (2) Calville Blanc (2) Empire (2) Gravenstein (2) Hawaii (2) Holstein (2) Kidds Orange Red (2) Melrose: (2) Pomme Gris (2) Roxbury Russet (2) Rubinette (2) Spigold (2) Summer Rambo (2) White Winter Pearmain (2) Williams' Pride (2) Yellow Transparent (2) American Beauty (1) Anna (1) ArkCharm (1) Berner Rosen (1) Blue Pearmain (1) Callaway crab (1) Centenial Crab (1) Egremont Russet (1) Fameuse (1) Golden Nugget (1) Harlason (1) Hauer Pippin (1) Hokuto (1) Hewes Crab (1) Hudson's Gold Gem Jefferis (1) Jonalicious (1) Jon-A-Red (1) Jonerthon (1) Keepsake (1) Kerr Crab (1) Monark (1) Mother: (1) NovaSpy (1) Orin (1) Pink Perl (1) Pitmaston Pineapple (1) Pristine (1) Red Delicious (1) Ribston Pippin (1) Sekai Ichi (1) Shizuka (1) Smoothee Golden Delicious (1) Smokehouse (1) Spartan (1) Suncrisp (1) Sunrise (1) Sweet 16 (1) Terry Winter (1) Virginia Beauty (1) Whitney Crab (1) Yellow Bellflower (1) Zabergau Reinette (1) Matsu (0.5) Pink princess: (-0.5) Northern Spy (0) |
I first tasted a Grimes Golden when I was about eleven years old. It is the most wonderful apple I have ever tasted! The ones that I ate were in the early 1960s on a farm in northern Ohio. The trees were old, and the fruits were deep golden, and heavily russeted. The flavor was sweet and spicy, and the flesh was crisp. I have never had them since, but have never forgotten them! |
- Posted by harvestman (My Page) on Fri, Feb 13, 09 at 6:20
I missed this thread because I pretty much swear off the internet chat during the growing season, but it's the most popular thread here I've seen. We all like debating and talking about the apples we love. I'm surprised no one listed Ginger Gold as a great early apple. It is a very useful variety if you happen to enjoy apples early on- Until Oct, I tend to gravitate to my plums, peaches, nectarines, blueberries and all the fruit I can't get during most of the year when apples are all I have. But Ginger Gold is the best apple here in its season that I've tasted. Starts as a tart, is unusual in that it is not at all chalky when the seeds are still quite immature. It sweetens as it ripens and develops an attractive red blush over yellow. So it's an apple that can be eaten both as a tart and a sweet and because of this has a very long harvest of over a month here. In defense of Yellow Delicious, it is amazingly unattractive to plum curculio here and I have a site I manage that recieves no spray and YD bears most every year quite usable fruit. There are many other varieties on the site, including Baldwin, Mac, RI Greening which don't bear without spray. But all Yellow Delicious are not the same. The trees on this site are about 100 years old so these are the old strain YD that tend to russet and taste much better than newer strains in my opinion. On the same site some newer strain YD have been planted and they are crap, yet curculio likes them fine. For Alex and anyone else that lives in a 12 month apple growing season, your perspective is completely different. Most of the apples I eat have to store well. Fine apples like Grimes Golden are unimportant to me because there is so much other fruit to eat in its season. Very few antiques hold up as well as the likes of Goldrush, Pink Lady (which actually can be grown in NY state as an excellent tart), Fuji and even Jonagold and Brabern if picked a tad green. I'd like to see apple taste tests done in Feb. |
Axel__sc: Did you mean the apple PRISCILLA instead of Pricillia? I can't find any info on that one. Carla in Sac |
I like Suntan... a British Cox's Orange hybrid. McIntosh is hard to beat in its season, but the fruit bruises so easily it has lost its market share. Hudson Golden Gem tastes more like Pear than Apple, but is a great fall apple and fair keeper too. |
'Irish Pitcher' is the best all-around late season apple hands down. Not only is it terrific as a food (cider, eatting, cooking), but you can root it's cuttings, it ships well, doesn't bruise, and it isn't suceptible to really any diseases, or pests, well into old age (in my experience). |
- Posted by harvestman (My Page) on Sun, Feb 22, 09 at 7:35
What is Irish Pitcher- can't find it in "Apples of NY" or in my old copy of F,B and N Inventory. |
- Posted by austransplant MD 7 (My Page) on Sun, Feb 22, 09 at 13:45
Found Irish Pitcher in the Fruits and Fruit Trees of America, p. 265 under the head of Mank's Codlin (you can download this book from Google books). It is described as an old English culinary apple long cultivated in the US for productiveness, hardiness and early bearing habit. A search on the web reveals that it is called 'pitcher' because it can be rooted from cuttings, as jimz mentioned. Isn't the web great! |
- Posted by milehighgirl 5/CO (My Page) on Sun, Feb 22, 09 at 16:04
Irish Pitcher, AKA: Manx Codlin http://www.brogdale.org.uk/image1.php?varietyid=841 http://library.wur.nl/speccol/fruithof/dnb1/BgCdEng/Tekst_Pl/Tekst038.htm Is this where "Codling Moth" got it's name?? |
- Posted by harvestman (My Page) on Sun, Feb 22, 09 at 16:12
Beech lists it as Winter St. Lawrence but had no experience with the apple. Seems it was grown mostly in Canada as it was originally brought to St. Lawrence from England. Jimz where are you? What other apples do you like to go with this rare one? Can you name something more common so I can gage your taste buds? |
- Posted by tallclover Zone 8 Maritime Pac (My Page) on Wed, Sep 22, 10 at 11:59
Here's my list of best apples to grow for taste and vigor of tree. (I grow these organically.) |
Here is a link that might be useful: Best tasting/growing trees in my orchard
- Posted by boyd morrison England(firstname.lastname@example.com) onFri, Aug 26, 11 at 11:15
nobody ever mentioned the discovery variety? i have one of these trees and its lovely , it does not keep long so not popular with supermarkets but straight off the tree its great |
This thread has proven helpful in choosing scion to graft. How long will scion last in fridge? Will it be viable next year? Maple valleys min shipping is 12.00 and I only have 2 "graftable" trees right now. |
Reviving this awesome apple thread. I was reading through what I posted and I am amused by how quickly things change. at least half of the apples I listed have fallen off my own list. I've grafted over most of my spigold because it's really not that good after all. Mutsu is also somewhat uninteresting these days. Here is my new list of favorites: - coconut crunch is extraordinary in our climate and keeps really well I still love gravenstein, hauer pippin and granny smith off my old list. I am curious what will stand out this year, as it surely won't be the same as last year. |
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The packaging looks diff. now. i got the newer version.It sinks into your skin pretty quickly. smells like typical lotion or sunscreen. spf protect the uva/uvb . But if you want to protect your skin from darkening/tan. dont get this. in America Shisedo is the only company that has PA++/+++/+ what that means is that it protects you from tanning. Azns don't really like to be tan. they like to be fair. I used to wanna be tan. but now i'm trying to stay out of the sun as much as possible. Don't judge. if you look at the korean stars. they're skin are beautiful. same with chinese, japanese,etc. That wanna get the fair complexion. makes you look brighter. Anywayy. this lotion is okay.
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I love this SPF lotion. I have tried and hated Eucerin, Aveeno, and Vaseline with SPF and hated them all for being greasy, smelly, or leaving white balls to pill up all over my skin. The Lubriderm SPF has a pleasant almost non-smell, it soaks in right away, and doesn't leave any white cast or develop pilling over the day. It's lightly moisturizing and really protects my skin from the sun while I'm out and about. I even use it occasionally on my face and never had it break out, although I prefer it for my body.
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I bought this because it was on sale and I wanted a lotion with spf that I could put on my hands/arms. I sometimes forget spf on my hands and I do not want age spots and wrinkles. This lotion is not moisturizing at all so I don't know why it says moisture on the bottle. When I use on my hands my palms get dried out and white looking. Basically this "daily moisture" lotion locks all of the real moisture out of my skin. So I have to use regular lotion first then this over it- which defeats the whole purpose. I've never liked lubriderm products- I shouldn't have purchased in the first place. 2 lippies because the spf probably works. Will not buy again.
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I use this every day. The sun protection is actually quite good. I go to college in New Mexico and even with walking around outside between classes, I have barely gotten a tan since I started using this (which is a good thing). I put it on several times a day and I have no problems with it getting greasy. Very, very subtle scent. The cap locks for travel.
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I have tried (and been seriously disappointed by) just about every lower-end lotion with spf out there. Vaseline, Aveeno, Eucerin, you name it. They're all stinky and gummy....except for this one by Lubriderm. This is perfect for days when the only time I'm outside is driving to work or running to my car at lunch time (any more than that and I need "real" sun protection). It doesn't smell like a regular sunblock (no coconuts and no funky chemical scent) and actually absorbs quickly. Like normal lotion. It's inexpensive too. This is a winner!
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Hello all! I've been on the building forum for years, but thought I'd post over here to get your thoughts. We are currently working with our architect and hope to build in the spring. This is my 3rd architect and I'm ready to just throw in the towel and quit. Ugh, why is this process so dang hard!?
ok enough whining :) Here is my latest plan - what do you all think of the kitchen? It's not ideal, but at this point I'm ready to just settle. I had him put the pantry behind the kitchen because I like the symmetry of having 2 doorways flanking the stove. (similar to the pic) But do you think this leaves me with enough counter space? Also, where is the best place to put the fridge? The oven will be with the range and the microwave might go in the pantry. Also, is there enough walkway space to get to the screen porch? I think there's 3.5' there...I need some help from the experts please! thanks so much :) |
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Shift the pantry down till it meets the breezeway. That gives you the opportunity for one more window, and possibly extend the cabinetry into the sunroom for party serving. Then the access to the sun porch isn't through the fridge/stove/prep sink hot zone. It would also let you put a door into the breezeway so groceries could be unloaded from the garage into the pantry rather than having to walk all the way around the kitchen and then through it. Put that secondary sink ON the island at the end facing the fridge and it will serve well as a prep sink or possible beverage sink for snacks. In the cabinet next to the fridge, put either a MW in a cubby or on a shelf below the counter. Frankly, I'd also be really tempted to put the cleanup sink in that location as well since only 20% of your time in a kitchen is spent cleaning up. Then I'd have the area under the window still have an actual beverage sink and under counter fridge to serve for gatherings. |
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GreenDesigns - thanks so much for your feedback, but I'm not sure I'm totally following you. So basically you're suggesting moving the pantry area down by the breezeway and switching the door to the screen porch to be up next to the sink? I'm not sure I really want a prep sink - that little thing he has drawn next to the fridge is a microwave. Your ideas give me something to think about - but how do I gain a window? Do you think the current fridge location is the only possibility? thanks again! |
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