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Jay Cross helps people work and live smarter. Jay is the Johnny Appleseed of informal learning. He wrote the book on it. He was the first person to use the term eLearning on the web. He has challenged conventional wisdom about how adults learn since designing the first business degree program offered by the University of Phoenix.
Working Smarter, the 2010 Edition, regularly sells for $19.98 (hardcopy) and $12.00 (download). This week the hardcopy version is marked down to $16, the download to $10.
Here's an excerpt.
I'm investigating the price-sensitivity of demand. The price will probably go up again next week.
I first met Stephen Denning about ten years ago. He had just left the World Bank and was selling copies of The Springboard out of a bag. It taught me the power of storytelling over PowerPoint, a lesson I too soon forgot. Storytelling in Organization, co-authored with Katalina Groh, Larry Prusak, and John Seely Brown, was even better because it was more practical. Then I tried reading The Leader's Guide to Storytelling but gave up at the half-way mark; other things came up.
Steve participated in some of the open conference calls I ran while researching Informal Learning. He'd drifted out of my consciousness until recently, when I
Maybe it's just me, but everywhere I turn, people are looking at things from a higher level of abstraction. They're seeing a bigger picture by rising above the immediate situation. (I dubbed this the Helicopter pattern recently.)
For example, executives look beyond mere execution to their readiness to change strategies. Managers who used to deal with training are focusing on whatever it takes to get the job done. Organizations are going around yesterday's confining corporate boundaries to form closer ties with customers and collaborators. It reminds me of the famous movie by Charles and Rae Eames, Powers of Ten. The higher you go, the greater your perspective.
Kevin Wheeler, founder of the Future of Talent Institute, and I talked about this trend toward taking a loftier view over lunch in Fremont yesterday. I asked Kevin about the transition from competencies to roles, from specialists to generalists, and from job descriptions to enlightened action.
Are you seeing the same phenomenon?
Nielsen Business Media is shutting down Training magazine and its companion Web site, trainingmag.com. The March issue will be the publication's last. The move includes the elimination of 11 positions, a spokesperson said.
I first saw Training magazine in 1977. At the time I didn't know the training business from a hole in the ground. "You mean there's really a magazine about this stuff?" I became an avid reader. Training helped professionalize a rag-tag industry. Training taught me many lessons.
(Embarrassing. I had the one on the right as a professor at B-School.)
The editors and publisher of the magazine were promoters of the training business, much as O'Reilly Media supports all things internet these days. The company nurtured the Instructional Systems Association. Ron Zemke and Jack Gordon wrote and shaped a thought-provoking magazine. Jerry Noack and Phil Jones helped the training industry progress. Julie Groshens managed not only the Training conference but also the Training Directors Forum, Online Learning, and other events. Leah Nelson somehow worked magic to make events go smoothly. This is quite a contrast to the Nielsen regime. Their editor told me not to submit articles because I wasn't a full-time journalist.
I've keynoted Training and spoke at TDF several times. I wrote a cover story for Training. I've spoken at Online Learning — and learned a whole lot there. While I stopped reading it several years ago, I'm sad to see the magazine snuffed out. It feels like the end of an era. I kidded Phil Jones years ago that they should change the name of the magazine to Learning to keep up with the times. In retrospect, that would only have prolonged the death-spiral.
Karl Kapp and Tony O'Driscoll have written a definitive book on virtual worlds, Learning in 3D: Adding a New Dimension in Enterprise Learning and Collaboration.
Many people think of virtual worlds as the realm of characters in bizarre costumes and companies out to waste their PR budgets. Karl and Tony see a phase change in how people learn.
Learning is social, and I think this has something to do with the power of watching your avatar experience something as opposed to simply imagining it in your mind.
I heartily recommend the book but I suggest jumping around as you read. The first section sets the stage by setting out the fundamentals: the webvolution, the immersive internet, the ineffectiveness of the classroom, and "the brave new training world." If you read this blog, you already know this stuff. They move on to architecture and archetypes. Everyone will want to read the nine cases which demonstrate a variety of learning environments. If you take part in Thursday evenings' #lrnchat on Twitter, you can skip the sections on traditional design; you have already witnessed the ADDIE wars. The implementation advice is priceless, as are the essays by four revolutionaries.
Tony and Karl have convinced me that 3D learning is on the way. I hate to be a stick in the mud but I don't yet think it's ready for prime time. It's going to be a while before most corporate citizens will be comfortable with this. Many workers' minds are too calcified to handle the concept of avatars and alternative realities. Give it five years, and people will be saying "Why didn't we do this sooner?"
I don't expect 3D learning environments to thrive in Second Life. Second Life is a pioneer and is the gorilla in the 3D space right now. However, SL can't shed its DNA, and corporations aren't going to train workers while the twisted sisters next door solicit customers.
Conservative organizations and schools are more likely to adopt environments developed specifically for business and academic applications. Examples are the knowledge worker environments developed by Proton Media and the interactive simulations coming out of Toolwire.
ProtonMedia: a professional environment, no funny hats
Une interview
Par Harold Jarche (Traduction Thierry de Baillon)
Mercredi 17 Février 2010 13:21
Jay Cross, Chief Scientist à l' Internet Time Group, est l'auteur de Informal Learning: Rediscovering the natural pathways that inspire innovation and performance (NDT: Apprentissage informel: A la redécouverte des voies naturelles inspirant l'innovation et la performance), publié en 2006.
J'ai demandé à Jay pourquoi il avait écrit ce livre, et il m'a répondu que peu de choses avaient été publiées au sujet de l'apprentissage informel en milieu professionnel, bien que ce soit ainsi que l'essentiel de l'apprentissage se déroule. Les chiffres ont démontré qu'environ 80% de l'apprentissage en milieu professionnel est informel, mais que peu de professionnels de la formation s'y intéressaient. L'apprentissage informel est une idée très en marge en ce qui concerne la formation et l'éducation en entreprise. Les idées développées dans le livre sont nées bien plus tôt, vers 1999, et comprenaient l'apprentissage visuel et les meilleures manières d'utiliser les représentations graphiques. Avant même de commencer à écrire ce livre, Jay avait déjà rempli plus de 30 carnets sur le sujet.
Le livre de Jay développait des idées inédites. L'idée majoritairement admise à cette époque était que la formation en entreprise était le moyen ciblé le plus sensé pour dispenser de la formation sur les compétences essentielles. Jay a été l'un des penseurs qui contribua à modifier cette attitude. Dans un commentaire écrit sur mon blog en 2006, Jay écrivait, « je me heurte dans mon livre à la question des compétences de base. Mes relecteurs (tous les trois) souhaitent que je supprime ce qui se rapporte au storytelling, à la prise de parole en public, etc., parce que ce sont des compétences personnelles, et donc ne relèvent pas de l'apprentissage en entreprise. » En 2010, il est devenu plus difficile de dire que le storytelling ne fait pas partie de l'apprentissage en entreprise.
Vive la France!
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Do you believe meshing delivery format with a student's learning style improves the quality of the learning?
For an indictment of learning styles as irrelevant to learning, see: Psychological Science in the Public Interest.
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Thanks to Donald Clark's Plan B for pointing me to this one.
Read this inspiring Fast Company blog post by Marcia Conner. She nails what I have been calling learnscaping.
Growing a culture of service is more like planting a garden than building a shed. A garden requires tending, whereas a shed is built once. A social learning culture requires design, training, guidance, leadership, monitoring and celebrating successes, large and small. People need to know where the organization is headed and why it matters. It's not easy for people to make the shift from a culture where they fear they are not good enough and need to improve, to one where they feel safe enough to want to improve for the enjoyment of it. Some will think it impossible for a whole culture to shift from fear-based fixes to joy-based learning, from coercion to inspiration. Others have witnessed it and will cheer along.
As you've heard many times before, "it's not about the technology."
Getting good at social interactions is vital for social learning.
We live in a social world. Every action taken that involves more than one person arises from conversation that generates, coordinates, and reflects those actions. At best, those group actions serve the well-being of the whole: not just the whole of a particular organization, but the whole of life. However, as we well know, many group actions are not life-serving. They are disconnected, existing in a fantasy in which, by analogy, it's as if they imagine it is possible for the cells in one's stomach to work against the interest of the cells in one's heart, without thereby acting against their own interest as well.
Because these group actions, destructive and constructive both, arise from group conversations, those conversations become a potential leverage point for anyone looking to shift the system. People who convene formal group conversations—facilitators, meeting planners, et al.—are particularly well placed to make a difference, and thus we carry an ethical responsibility. We can support processes that empower people, or processes that prevent them from taking charge of their own lives. We can plan meetings that are genuinely open as to outcome, or let ourselves be co-opted by the powers that be as tools of manipulation. We can spread skills for solid group process as deeply and broadly as possible, or we can horde knowledge. Basically, group conversations have power—and the people involved with this project believe that power should be shared . . . and that sharing power in this way serves life.
A group led facilitated by Tree Bressen is working to develop a pattern language for group process.
A Pattern Language is an attempt to express the deeper wisdom of what brings aliveness within a particular field of human endeavor, through a set of interconnected expressions arising from that wisdom. Aliveness is one placeholder term for "the quality that has no name": a sense of wholeness, spirit, or grace, that while of varying form, is precise and empirically verifiable.
The term was originally coined by architect Christopher Alexander, who, together with five colleagues, published A Pattern Language for building in 1977. Others have since applied the term to economics, software design, liberatory communication, and more.
The group's goals are:
You can see the work in progress and sign on to contribute at the group's website.
I spent part of yesterday and today writing patterns. I'll show you what I came up with (in league with Kaliya Hamlin and a few other volunteers).
Our pattern is called Helicopter. It had been named "Go Meta," but we decided that was not easily understood.
Most topics of group discussion can be visualized as a series of layers. The helicopter goes up a layer or two to get the "big picture" or a wider vision. Looking at the forest reveals viewpoints of a higher order than looking at just the trees. From the vantage point of the helicopter, you only see the forest.
The Helicopter view is also known as going meta. Meta-learning is learning about learning. Meta-cognition is thinking about thinking.
"Context" is the Helicopter view from a higher altitude.
The facilitator may direct the conversation to the helicopter level by asking for similarities between objects. Things that are characteristic of an entire group of topics are generally meta.
Alternatively, the facilitator could use graphics to explain the higher-order process. A process map or social network diagram gives the Helicopter view.
Map the situation to show the connections. The network of nodes and connectors is at the meta level.
In some cases, the facilitator may be able to get the group to the meta level by simply asking about the structure of the ecosystem surrounding the topic in question.
Douglas Hofstadter uses meta as a stand-alone word, both as an adjective and as a directional preposition ("going meta", a term he coins for the old rhetorical trick of taking a debate or analysis to another level of abstraction, as in "This debate isn't going anywhere."). This book is also probably responsible for the direct association of "meta" with self-reference, as opposed to just abstraction. The sentence "This sentence contains thirty-six letters," and the sentence it is embedded in, are examples of sentences that reference themselves in this way. See Wikipedia article on meta
Letter from Isaac Newton to Robert Hooke in 1676: "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."
Patterns are meta.
If you cannot discern a pattern, perhaps you're dealing with a chaotic system. (Chaos has no meta.)
"One person's variable is another person's constant." Jay Cross
Pattern Language? A concept invented by Christopher Alexander, award-winning, renegade architect despised by most other architects, but wildly popular among designers and software authors.
Alexander used to live in my neighborhood. I wrote up a little presentation on his Pepto-Bismol colored house. Neighbors complained his house was so ugly it lowered the value of each house nearby by $15,000.
When Uta and I moved into our current house 17 years ago, Alexander was completing the house across the street. A rag-tag group of students put together this concrete monstrosity.
Here's the view from my front deck:
You can see a little bit of my rooftop in this picture from Alexander's The Nature of Order.
Alexander's The Nature of Order and his website tout my neighbor's house as an example of a successful owner-designed home. The owners loath him. For example, with our first rainstorm, water blew right through the walls into their daughter's bedroom.
During construction, Alexander had asked, "What sort of windows would you like?" The owners didn't understand the economics of custom-shaped windows until it cost them $30,000 to replace them with windows that didn't leak. The project went over budget; last time I visited, there were still bare wires in the kitchen where fixtures were supposed to go.
That said, I've read Alexander's A Timeless Way of Being and A Pattern Language twice. They are classics of design.
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I am wanting to buy two square galvanized 15 gallon tubs and put on a stand- either one bought or one handmade out of wood. I am planning on buying a hand agitator like the one at Lehman's.com and a glass washboard. Eventually I would like to buy a wringer that sits on the side of one of the tubs. What I'm needing is help and any advice on EXACTLY how to wash clothes this way. Does anyone clean their clothes this way or could anyone give me step by step instructions? Also - how do you wring the clothes out with the water being so hot? **OH OH OH- I am also VERY interested in anyone who also washes their clothes this way in the winter. Do you use drying racks inside- if so how many? Do you do your laundry inside? - Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! |
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Call or email the folks at Lehman's. They are very helpful and will answer all your questions. They sell to people who run households the way you want to run yours, so they know. |
You gotta be kidding. The way we did it seventy years ago on the farm: Began with me drawing water from the well to fill up the huge black cast iron pot while my dad built a fire under it with stovewood, and my mother chipped up lye soap into it. When the water began to boil, she dipped about half of it into two galvanized tubs (These were round but square will do.) She then put the separated white clothes into the pot and boiled them while stiring occasionally with a battleing stick. Seems like maybe 10-15 minutes. With the stick she lifted the clothes out of the pot into the first tub, which had cooled somewhat by now, and scrubbed them one at a time on the rubboard till they looked very clean. Meanwhile dumping the colored clothes into the pot to boil. Wrung the soapy water out by hand and dumped them into the second pot for rinsing. Rinsed throughly and hand wrung again piling them into the dishpan to carry to the clothesline. Hung them on the line secured with clothespins,then went back and repeated the operation with the colored clothes. Oh I forgot , she made starch with a small amount of the hot water and flour. She starched the outer clothes after rinsing, before drying. Next day was ironing day for all the outer wear clothes. using smothing irons heated on the woodburning cookstove in summer or in front of the fireplace in winter. Any one who wants to return to those "good old days" is completely off their rocker. Those were two hard days work for mom and had to be repeated every week. I was glad when I got big enough to go work in the fields with dad instead of helping mom but that wasn't easy either. |
Correction: I guess she didn't put the soap into the pot till AFTER she dipped out the hot water for the scrubbing and rinsing. Lol |
- Posted by PoohBear2767 Dunlap Tn USA (email@example.com) on Thu, Jun 2, 05 at 7:14
I can't imagine doing this outside of an exibit or historical re-creation. No benifit to it. I think if you will do a cost-benifit study In other words what does it cost to run a washing machine Pooh Bear |
And here I am thinking it's a drudge to do the wash in the machine - LOL!!!!! |
You can get clothes quite clean by putting them into a five gallon bucket with water and a little detergent, putting the top on the bucket, and putting them in your car/truck when you go to town. The agitation is free. You still have to rinse them, of course. How are you heating the water? I, too, have reservations about how much money or energy you will save doing it the way you are proposing. We own a washing machine but no dryer. In the summer our clothesline can accomodate four large loads at a time. In the winter we do laundry more often, so that we only need a few drying racks. The easy way to find out how many you need is to buy a couple to start with (you'll need them anyway, and they aren't expensive) and hang your current laundry on them to see how it fits. How many racks you need in the winter will also depend on your climate and method of heating. We're in winter-dry Maine and heat with wood, so clothes dry relatively quickly inside. I wouldn't have wanted to dry clothes on a rack in the winter when I lived in Western Washington with electric heat, though. Katey |
We have a James Washer which seems to work just fine for the two of us...summer sun dry, winter sauna dry. How much work is it to agitate the load for a few moments and then let it soak? Lazy...we've all become lazy...money over time... I can listen to music, meditate...dream, whilst doing my laundry...without the noise and hub-bub involved with all the doodads and bills. |
- Posted by RuthieG__TX z8 TX (My Page) on Fri, Jun 3, 05 at 8:21
And surely she has a reason for asking...I don't recall her asking for anyones opinion on what she is doing just advice on how to do it...If she wanted to do the laundry by machine I suggest she would have asked for advice on how to do it by machine... Believe it or not Pooh, people for hundreds of years have washed clothes by hand for one reason or another...and if that's what she chooses to do, I don't think she needs to "waste" her time doing any cost benefit study... |
Uh - lilacfarm - I don't think that any of us here who use a washing machine & dryer are "lazy" at all. If you want to wash your clothes by hand, all the more power to you. But if I have a barn full of horses to take care of, fencing to put up, gardens to refurbish, & a fixer-upper farmhouse to work on, you can bet your a** I have far better things to do with my time than hand-agitate clothes in a tub or beat them on rocks down by the river so to speak. The very small amount of electricity it costs me to do so is very well worth the time it saves me. That doesn't make me lazy, & I find your comment offensive. |
wow...I wasn't going to say anything, but I just can't believe what I am reading. I joined this board because I thought it was a very kind group that thought of the "old time" style of living to be wonderful...not because of money or time...but because back then people had values and strong families and wonderful things that are missing from today's society (just watch the Waltons or Little House on the Prairie). Yes that was a hard way to live, but I think they were all better for it. Homesteading (at least in my mind) does mean doing things like laundry by hand...I looked at this message because I thought it would be great fun for my children to experience this...not as an every week event (I do enjoy my washer), but at least once or twice...and I never thought of money or time. I thought of a wonderful experience with my children. A wonderful time to spend together talking and enjoying nature. I'm sad to see that people felt such a need to give opinions when none were asked for. No one should judge anyone and I'm not judging any of you for your thoughts, I just wanted to add mine for whatever they are worth. I'm sure come tomorrow morning I will regretting posting this...because I don't like hurt feelings and I certainly don't like reading posts that hurt mine. prairiegirl00...I hope you get your answers and you have a WONDERFUL experience! I would love to hear how it goes!!! Kelly |
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Prairiegirl I see that you are new to GW. Would like to give you a big welcome. Do not have the answer for you. But I am sending you an email. Good luck to you!! Ü |
- Posted by PoohBear2767 Dunlap Tn USA (email@example.com) on Sat, Jun 4, 05 at 19:32
If you want this stuff the Lehman's is the only place I can think of. Pooh Bear |
Here is a link that might be useful: Laundry equipment at Lehman's
As an addendum to the above...the women were in our back courtyard, which was shared by several families...the laundry facilities consisted of cast concrete sink and a cast concrete washboard next to it...more often than not, the stopper was a corn cob. Wash was hung on the line to dry...since it was an every day affair (except for weekends) there wasn't a huge load of laundry for anyone to do. |
Somewhere in my stash I have one of those small washers that takes about a cup of water and you turn the handle so many times to wash them. (Y2K preparations) Never used it. I know that doing it the way the OP wants to try is very hard on the body etc. But I think it would be an interesting experience and great if she has kids who can learn one of the old homesteading jobs. |
I just looked at Lehman's and the small hand turned pressure washer is the one I have. |
- Posted by RuthieG__TX z8 TX (My Page) on Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 8:15
I never had to do it but an aunt of mine and two cousins did the family wash in big black pots sitting in the back yard...I'm sure they would have been happy to have the luxury of a washer and drer but at the time they didn't and they did the wash that way for as long as I lived close to them. They moved to California when the kids were out of school so it was a long long time that they washed in the back yard...I don't know what they did after they moved. |
It seems that often people make something that can be a simple process into some arduous task...I don't dream of boiling water in cauldrons and stirring the mess with a stick whilst adding lye... We rarely use hot water in which to wash our clothing. I wish you all peace and the enjoyment of time. |
lilacfarm - like I said, all the more power to you. If you enjoy doing your laundry by hand & find it a wonderful experience, that's great. But again - where the heck do you get off on calling folks who "commute" "lazy sheeple"????? My husband commutes. He commutes to A GOOD JOB so we can have a nice 21-acre place in the country & enjoy it. Enjoy our horses, enjoy gardening & freezing veggies for the winter. And yes - heaven save us - even enjoy sitting & watching a good movie on TV. I have no problem with you doing what you find pleasurable doing. Why do YOU feel it necessary to tell me that what we find pleasurable or necessary are "mind-numbing experiences". You are one real piece of work. I rather think that you are the more closeminded one between the two of us - regardless of your "wish for peace & enjoyment". Try finding a little tolerance for some of us who have to WORK and COMMUTE to enjoy our little piece of heaven, instead of denigrating us as "lazy" because we actually have to work for a living & don't have time to wash our clothes outside in a tub. |
Again...I think you have a problem with something other than what I am saying about washing clothes in a simple, energy/water conscious manner. Perhaps you could have a nice discussion with yourself about your priorities and just why you get so angry, so quickly...when someone points out alternatives. You wrote: If you think we don't work to live, you are very mistaken. Our life on our homestead, and the manners in which we work...(including periods of time spent working for UNICEF and other organisations in Central America...Cheryl working on fly-in medical missions in Honduras)...are real and at times, hard...but it is our choice to be a part of our home now, not be caught in daily traffic...wasting fuel. That is only a tiny part of the current problems in the world. I suggest you read or re-read Scott and Helen Nearing's books, especially "Living the Good Life"...how to live sanely and simply in a troubled world. You're welcome to vent at me anytime you wish. |
Lilacfarm, I question whether washing clothes in tubs is a good use of energy IF you heat the water. If you use cold water, then yes, it uses less energy than washing as I do in a machine in cold water (and hanging out to dry), especially if you take into account the embodied energy in the machine itself. I've never seen anyone using tubs who was able to use less water than I do in a machine for the same cleanliness result, primarily because of the lack of a spin cycle that makes the subsequent rinse really effective, but then I pack the thing pretty full. Also, be careful holding up the Nearings as an example. While they did many marvelous things, for some reason they chose to stretch the truth somewhat in their books. Their diet was nowhere near as purely vegetarian as they made it out to be. (Scott had a weakness for ice cream, for example.) They don't credit the hordes of volunteers who, attracted by their earlier books, provided most of the labor for building their stone house in Maine (in our town). And the house itself, if you run the numbers on their construction methods, provided an R-value (insulation) of about 3, roughly equivalent to an uninsulated, somewhat leaky, stud wall. This explains why they spent most winters on lecture tours at other people's expense and hospitality. The interns (usually a couple) who sign up for a one-or-two year term living at the Good Life Center (the Nearing's Maine homestead) often out-Nearing the actual Nearings. My sources for this information include friends of the Nearings and members of the board of the Good Life Center. For an accessible-to-the-public version, I recommend you read Jean Hay Bright's "Meanwhile, Next Door to the Good Life" book. She lived between the Nearings and Eliot Coleman for a number of years. Im not trying to denigrate what the Nearings did, for they forged a path for a lot of us in both philosophical and practical matters. Just take their writings with a grain of salt, and make sure that their "solution" will work in your situation before you commit to it. Breezyb, compared to our parents and grandparents, we're all lazy. I'm grateful for washing machines, because they let me use my time in other ways that I prefer (this time of year, tending the market garden), but I recognize that they and many other luxuries (in your case, apparently, TV and pleasure horses) are available to us thanks to the hard physical labor of those who came before us. Please be mindful of the fact that the choices you make are just that–choices–and that we should be grateful for them. You CHOOSE to watch TV, and tend your horses, and probably a hundred other "optional" activities, instead of washing your clothes by hand, just as most of the rest of us do. To say that you don't have time to wash your clothes in a tub is nonsense. If your horses are working horses, please accept my apologies and respect. Keeping a team of horses fit and conditioned for work is day-in, day-out hard labor, over and above the work itself. Katey |
I'm not "venting" or "angry" - & you, my dear, quite frankly, are NOT pointing out alternatives. You are quite pointedly denigrating, in a very condescending way, anyone who isn't into your lifestyle. Espousing your homestead & your medical missions & UNICEF work are all well & good. By all means pat yourself on the back. But that still does not give you the right to call anyone "lazy" or "sheeple" because they're not living the life you feel they should be. I think you're the one who needs to have a talk with herself as to why she needs to try to make others feel their lives are somehow "wrong" when compared to yours. There's nothing wrong with pointing out lifestyle alternatives. However, it's also easy enough to do without the not-so-subtle barbs you feel the need to resort to get your point across. |
Hey! Knock off this petty bickering. Admittedly I had a few caustic comments but so far I'm the only contributor who answered Prairegirls original question. " How to wash clothes using galvanized tubs and do you use drying racks?" |
As I stated in my original posting: We use a James Washer to do our laundry, we summer sun dry, and in the winter we have a pull out clothesline in the sauna...we use cold water, or water that has been pre heated in a solar heater...we use the same wash water for several loads, as we do the rinse water. The wringer gets the water/soap out of the clothes fairly well. I am no one's "dear", which I find truly condescending...had I, a man, said that to a woman in such a looking down my nose manner I would have been flamed. I am aware that the Nearing's had much help in their later years on their Maine homestead...I am speaking of their book and their philosophy of time being broken up into "bread labor", "social activism", "relaxation/spiritual fulfillment" (ie, playing your own music...perhaps with others.) I have friends that have a staber washing machine that they run off their solar electricity...more power to them. It is a luxury I prefer to not afford. They also have a dryer which uses both electricity and propane...again a choice I choose not to make. The sun does a great passive job...the sauna is an example of cogeneration (since it is hot all winter, the heart(h) of our home...the plenum that distributes the heat)... Our life is not done as a cost benefit analysis...what got me going, and I now apologise for ranting on, was this: "I can't imagine doing this outside of an exibit In other words what does it cost to run a washing machine Again, my apologies for any offense. I am not living a historical recreation nor am I in an exhibit. We can all learn from one another. |
I apologise if I came off sounding like "I know what a homesteader is...why don't you?"... That wasn't my thought. Usually I'm fairly good with the English language, but apparently I failed in the tact department, this time. I'm investigating the slow movement right now, trying to make it fit into my life. Everything seems to be increasing in speed as I grow older, I'd just like to drag my feet a bit. There's more information than this on-line, but here's a start: |
Dan here rather than Katey. I think Lazy and Sheeple are two different things. Someone who wouldn't dirty his hands with manual labor but spends hours in the gym is not necessarily lazy, but certainly sheeple. And I'm sure there are as many different kinds of sheeple as there are different kinds of sheep. Our Jacobs are very inteligent and independant thinking, for sheep. As far as lazy goes, I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who said, "My pa taught me to work hard, but he never taught me to like it." Lazy is a matter of what you're content with, and what you foresee as needing to be done now in order to be prepared for whatever comes down the pike later. You might say that motivation is sometimes based on fear of the future. A lot of people, IMHO, have too little fear of the future, and are therefore lazy. Sometimes that includes me too. Interesting that a discussion of doing laundry in a bucket has degenerated into one of those "sin vs. lifestyle choice" arguements. Life has decisions and trade offs. In Ecology, these are called "life history strategies". One strategy is not necessarily better or worse than the other, but depending on how the future unfolds, one may lead to a happier, longer, more secure life than the other. Personally, I believe that some day the lights will go out and never come back on again, and knowing how to do wash without electricity, while not a big thing, will be nice to know. Knowing how to commute to a city job would be irrelevant. |
That may well be true Dan, & I commend you for the way you put it. My disagreement with "lilacfarm" is with her apparent inability to describe her homesteading lifestyle without stepping down off her pedestal. |
- Posted by PoohBear2767 Dunlap Tn USA (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Mon, Jun 6, 05 at 14:53
Let's see, Wash tub, scrub board, wringer, clothes line, Time consuming and hard work. Or Washing machine and dryer (or clothes line). Oh yeah, you should pick the one that is hard work and time consuming. My goal is easier and cheaper. Washing machines replaced wash tubs/boards for a reason. Pooh Bear |
breezyb wrote: "My disagreement with "lilacfarm" is with her apparent inability to describe her homesteading lifestyle without stepping down off her pedestal." I rather like my pedestal and what we've accomplished...but I'm a he, not a her. |
Prairie Girl. . .are you sorry your asked? |
- Posted by RuthieG__TX z8 TX (My Page) on Tue, Jun 7, 05 at 7:54
I'm embarassed that someone new can come to this board and ask a simple question and have the kind of answers she got... especially when you consider she asked such a simple question... not anywhere in her post did she ask any of you for opinions on what she was going to do nor did she ask you to critique what she had chosen to do... Could you figure that she might have a reason for not using a washer...whatever that might be...and as far as I'm concerned, it's rather presumptious for any of you to try and tell her what she should be using... She wants to do it her way...get it....for a reason not known to us...but for her reason anyway... |
- Posted by PoohBear2767 Dunlap Tn USA (email@example.com) on Tue, Jun 7, 05 at 11:07
You are 100% correct on that Ruthie. She asked a valid question and here we are squabbling over it. She didn't say what she wanted it for and we all jumped to conclusions. So where can you get the stuff to do this. Also, she asked for instructions on how to do this. She mentioned a glass washboard. I'm curious. Why glass. Anyone got any answers for this. Pooh Bear |
TedP2 wrote: "Any one who wants to return to those "good old days" is completely off their rocker. " PoohBear2767 wrote: "I can't imagine doing this outside of an exibit To which breezyb wrote: "And here I am thinking it's a drudge to do the wash in the machine - LOL!!!!!" Then my comment came on the ease with which you can actually use a handwasher...a jameswasher in this case... |
Here is a link that might be useful: green home building water conserving items
- Posted by AlchemyAcres 5A PA (My Page) on Wed, Jun 8, 05 at 0:02
prairiegirl00 in response to your question... It takes me about 15 minutes (not including soak time) to wash and rinse a large load of laundry (about twice what will fit in most washers), without power.... I use two tubs as you described...I wash and rinse with cold water most of the time...i use the rinse water to wash the following batch of clothes, this saves on water... When I use hot water it's heated in black plastic pails in the sun in summer or on the woodstove during winter... I use homemade laundry detergent... A little goes a long way...... 1 Tablespoon per load. About 56 loads for pennies per load... I let the clothes soak for several hours....I use a Rapid Washer, a plunger type hand washer from Lehman's.....it works better than a washboard... I use homemade fabric softener on some of my clothes...added to rinse water... 1 Place baking soda in LARGE bowl and pour vinegar over it; while it's bubbling, pour cold water in and mix. You may be able to find a wringer at an antique or second hand store.... Hope this helps. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rapid Washer
- Posted by AlchemyAcres 5A PA (My Page) on Wed, Jun 8, 05 at 0:17
I forgot to mention...... I have a glass washboard for clothes that are extra dirty. I have a wringer on both tubs. Drying.. PoohBear2767...In response to your question about the glass washboard...the glass board cleans better and will outlast the metal ones. |
That is some useful information I haven't seen posted before. Thanks AlchemyAcres |
1 cup Bar Soap, Grated into fine flakes. (I recommend Fels-Naptha. Half of a bar.) AlchemyAcres, my mom used Fels Naptha and American Family soap and soap chips for years before all the powerded stuff came out. |
I remember when I was younger and had to hand wash my clothes cause I could not afford the laundramat...The one thing I do recall, is that if you don't use some kind of softener, the clothes are scratchy, kind of stiff. I soaked then washed, then hung on the line. But the first couple of loads were stiff and scrtchy. Either use the softener mentioned above, or add a small amount of commercial liquid. It doesn't take much.... Cheri |
Have Y'all noticed that Prarie Girl has not posted an entry since her first questions? No thank yous nor explanations. I guess we scared her off with our bickering. |
I wished I had one of those Rapid Washers today. (I'm too lazy to get the box down with that little portable washer) I bought a three piece dress set at a yard sale today and it had that musty old smell to it. Of course the tag said Dry Clean only. I soaked all the pieces and did a lot of rinsing and wringing etc and finally got them out to hang and dry. It would have been so much easier to just use one of those rapid things. Prarie Girl come back!! |
- Posted by prairiegirl00 z6 MO (My Page) on Wed, Jun 15, 05 at 0:27
Well I bought a double washtub with stand the other day. Ordered the Rapid Washer and Glass Washboard through Lehmans and they arrived within 3 days after they were shipped. I've done about 5 loads of laundry by hand. I realized that I'm going to need the Best Hand Wringer also by Lehmans so I ordered it today! Should arrive this next Monday! Today I stood at the end of my garage and did the laundry as all was quiet- except for the cars driving by. It was so nice. I watched the few white clouds go by. The sky was a beautiful blue color. It's rained here for about the past 7 days straight so today was a gorgeous day for doing laundry. How I would have once again missed nature today if I would have been inside doing my laundry. I do have to say that I am very shocked at the amount of bickering this question has brought. All I am going to say is this: the last time I checked this was still a free country and I understood it we all have what is called free speech. I am floored that someone would come on here- get their feelings hurt and go off on a tangent. Do we expect to have every single person to wake up every day worrying about each and every word that is said so that everyone will have the warm fuzzies? If someone doesn't like what is said- you made the choice to read this and you can just as easily make the choice to click the back arrow key and look somewhere else. Happy laundring to everyone. Thanks! |
- Posted by AlchemyAcres 5A PA (My Page) on Wed, Jun 15, 05 at 20:09
prairiegirl00, I'm glad to hear your enjoying the new laundry experience. : ) |
- Posted by prairiegirl00 z6 MO (My Page) on Fri, Jun 17, 05 at 17:45
I bought the "Best Hand Wringer" from Lehman's and it arrived today! It works great! Thanks again to everyone who helped me! |
- Posted by FlowerFan86 z5/6 WA (My Page) on Fri, Jun 17, 05 at 21:54
Nice to hear that it has worked out for you! |
I'm still thinking about that Rapid washer. |
At the junk shop today we got a bag of used clothespins. The bag is cloth, with a wire holding the top open. The wire also forms a hook so that you can hang it on the line for convenience while you work. The clothespins themselves are old and slightly rounded from use, but show very little weather, and are all put together straight. They're better made than what we seem to get bought new lately. Katey thinks they're maple. And I thought of this thread and all of you. Dan |
- Posted by mid_tn_mama 6 (My Page) on Fri, Jun 24, 05 at 22:05
Great information. More power to you. I think having that wringer would help. I've seen them from time to time at thrift stores. I'd look for an old wringer washer--even if it didn't work and use that wringer on it. You could wash in a tub then rinse in the wringer washer. Wish I'd thought of washing my clothes in the bathtub when I was poor. I hear you can use a clean plunger and it works great. When I have had to wring things out myself, I've rolled them up then applied pressure (kneel on them if thick) to squeeze the water out. Maybe a board placed at an angle in the tub so the water flows downward? One more thing, if you hang out wash on a windy day, things are less stiff. |
This thread reminds me of I Love Lucy. Dont come between a woman and her washing machine! The process does not matter.Its the end result. |
Texas Weed, you should hear my husband lecture me when I do the laundry... then hear me lecture him when he does it... we finally agreed to do our own clothes separately, as we are each set in our ways. Laundry is more contentious than you'd think! |
I think it's great you enjoy yourself while doing laundry! I too, am going to get one of the rapid washers, as I feel hand washing does better than the machine. I use cold water. The key to hand washing (I think) is to SCRUB for as long as it takes, sometimes I soak-scrub-soak-scrub-soak-scrub to get the really ground-in dirt out. Soak overnight for the really tough stuff. Make sure to rinse until ALL the soap is out. (Drain the "extra rinses" water to a CLEAN NEW trash can or something reserved for this use and you can use it to wash other stuff). I like the outside clothesline best. I wish I had a wringer -- it's on my wishlist. As for soap, I find the "old fashioned" works best. Even some of the "natural" stuff is based on "old" ideas. Enjoy! Have a happy day!! |
- Posted by chickenmama1 (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Sat, Jul 16, 05 at 2:25
Good Heavens! I stumbled into the Homesteading Forum out of curiosity and what I've discovered for my folly is people who are so in awe of their own voluminous, extraneous expression---ah---hold on here I'm thinking hard---uh---WORDS! There! My PhD almost in languages almost failed me. :O BTW, if anyone would like to borrow my above mentioned degree, it digs post holes at an unbelievable rate of speed... ;D Reading all this has been hilarious! Go to it GALS (yup, GALS! I'm one of 'em too, but not like you!). See ya later SWEETIES! LOL LOL LOL |
- Posted by chickenmama1 (email@example.com) on Sat, Jul 16, 05 at 3:16
...And touche' Prairiegirl. The same to you nice ladies who offered up woman talk and recipes for soap. So nice to see there are such decent folk here afterall. Maybe I'll stay awhile. In much younger years I used to stand cuddled up to my Aunt Elsie's leg while she scrubbed and rang the clothes and hung them to dry. I was very small and she seemed so sweet for one so grown up. I loved her with heart and soul and I know she loved me the same. She was good to me in all ways and she taught me a lesson that has stayed with me throughout my life so far-EVERY PERSON MATTERS-She lived a simple, humble life all of her life, yet she was GRACIOUS and she carried the embodiment of KINDNESS itself as though it was as natural a part of her make up were as were thumbs, fingers and toes. She was a lady who taught me to watch the clouds and the blue beauty of the sky and how it changed in tone and color as the day progressed. Prairiegirl, enjoy what you do each day. :) |
- Posted by AlchemyAcres 5A PA (My Page) on Sun, Jul 17, 05 at 18:36
Ladies? Why must you assume only ladies do laundry? : ) |
Here's the way it was done prior to having electricity. We used only a scrub board and it was made of wood and a galvenized type metal that had corregated ribs that had smooth little curved groves. There was a cross piece at the top of the board where your bar of laundry soap would rest. When working with very dirty clothes, you would rub the bar laundry soap (usually homemade lye soap) directly onto the dirty spot and scrub the heck out of it. OK, from the beginning. We had an old woodstove in an outbuilding at the back of the house. It was fired up before breakfast and a large boiler of water was filled and left to heat. (I was water-girl) The tubs were round and I believe they had their own legs. We actually did this part outside. Part of the hot water was taken out for the "wash tub"...then lye soap was peeled off (like a veggie peeler would do) into the boiling hot water left in the "boiler"...bleach may have been added...not sure...all white clothes were cotton, so they were put directly into the boiling soapy water for a period of time. I believe they were lifted out with the wooden paddle that was used to stir them while in the boiling pot. They were placed in the hot water tub that had been cooled with water from the well. Once the clothes were cooled enough to handle, they were hand wrung. (We never had a wringer with a crank handle.) There were two women in the house so if it was a large item, they simply grabbed hold of each end and worked together to wring the water out. It was then rinsed in water that had bluing added. The clothes were sorted acording to colors as well as how dirty. Lighter colored clothes went into the wash tub next and were lightly scrubbed, rinsed and hung on the line to dry. Rinse water was changed several times during the day, but the wash water was not. We usually ran out of clothes line space about the time we got to the jeans and overalls...they were laid over the grape vines to dry. I should be able to remember the name of the powdered starch that we had to cook before using, but it has slipped my mind even though I did uniforms for my husband all through 20 years of Military service...good grief...must be a mental block. :O) Next day was ironing day, as stated above. Clothes were sorted and folded on the dinning table. Next morning, early, the clothes to be ironed were sprinkled, by hand, and set aside until after breakfast. This was a hard day because you had to have a fire indside the house to heat the darned iron. No electricity meant not even a fan. This continued until 1947. The war had stopped the manufacturing of transformers, so we could see the end of the power lines, but had none ourselves for the duration. The first time I went to Europe (1955) with my husband I did laundry this way knealing in front of the bathtub...not something I would be able to repeat. We had an 18 month old and no laundromats were to be found. Yep, I know...we walked a mile to school and it was uphill both ways. LOL That was the world we were born into, so it wasn't hard to us at the time...just the way it was, and most of our neighbors were all in the same situation. Less time to get into trouble. |
- Posted by chickenmama1 (email@example.com) on Mon, Jul 18, 05 at 14:12
Hi Alchemy. That's an entertaining name: Alchemy Acres. I suppose I'd have to call my place Chaos Crib or something...if I were to change the name. Hey, I know that not ALL people who do laundry are "Ladies" or "Gals" or "Girls" or "Women" or anything else equally feminine in origin. How do I KNOW this? My husband does most of the laundry around here. He's just as masculine as can be. How can I be so sure about this? I'm female and have been married to him for almost 34 years. We have 2 children and 6 grandchildren. We even made the 2 children ourselves--all by ourselves. I've checked the dictionary and manuals related to health and the human body. The description fits him. It's all there! ;) Thanks for your humorous observation. I'll be more careful the next time I make an erroneous assumption. :) Maggie chickenmama1 |
- Posted by chickenmama1 (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Mon, Jul 18, 05 at 15:23
I forgot to add that when I was a young school girl, about 1964, my mother did not have a washing machine. Since we lived in town she didn't do laundry outside, except to hang it on the line-year round-it was so funny to see the frozen clothes come in through the kitchen door! She used our old roll top bathroom tub to wash and rinse the clothes. We had a glass and wooden wash board for scrubbing and she bought a toilet type plunger to wash an entire tub full of clothing. All white clothes were done with the wash board and the hottest hot water she could get from the faucet as well as water that she boiled in a big pot on the kitchen stove. I spent such a long time with that scrub board scrubbing my white socks for school. Wringing out the clothes was my least favorite part of the job. We would hand wring all of it. I thought my Aunt Elsie's crank wringer was the best thing around! I don't remember the year or how old I was when Mom finally got a washer and drier, but I can tell you that it was a happy day for everyone! I still prefer to hang my clothes on the line rather than putting it in the drier. I have the time to do things however I want to, though, since I am a stay at home person. I know many of you don't have that kind of time. My daughter will be thrilled to have these soap recipes. It's one of her many interests. We visited Colonial Williamsburg when she was about 14 y/o and she's been interested in all things Colonial ever since. Maggie chickenmama1 |
I did a google on Cowboy cake and came up with this page. Let us know if you find it!! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Google Search: Cowboy Cake
Put it in quotes and you go from a million hits to around 700. I see one on the first page that includes dates and chocolate chips, which doesn't sound "depression" to me. What was the cake like? Dan |
Here is a link that might be useful: Google Search:
- Posted by led_zep_rules 5 WI (My Page) on Sun, Aug 14, 05 at 1:24
Was reading this topic because at various times I have done laundry sans machine. Also grew up with a thrifty mom who used her old wringer washer until, well, sometime in the late 70s I think, when it must have broken. In high school I remember learning in history class about how people used to use such machines, and whispering to my friend that we used that kind of machine still. My first job in 1974 was housecleaning and babysitting for a neighbor where each parent had their own business. The daughter had to teach me how to use a 'regular' washing machine because I was clueless! But we were modern at home, our wringer washer was electric. So you washed the clothes in the machine, whites first because you used the same water for all the laundry. Then put it through the wringer into the stationary tub of rinse water, and put more clothes in the washer (which had an agitator.) Agitate by hand or stick in rinse water, and wring out again and hang up. I used a washer and dryer for years, but started using the dryer less and less. In 1991 stopped using the dryer completely. I have some great drying racks. Lived in Ecuador for a year, where my laundry was done by a woman on the roof who used a concrete washboard. She was vicious with clothespins, so that they got holes where she put them , and she had no clue how to hang up clothes (would fold 2 socks over the line and pin them, so there were 8 thicknesses of cloth on the line hanging together, etc.) Lived in England and France for some months, had a small washing machine but no dryer. Dried the clothes on things in the apt. and 1 small rack, but it took forever because England is damp! Also in France dried the clothes on things and remember drying sheets on the kitchen table, only place big enough to spread them out. Many (most?) Europeans don't use dryers, and have efficient washing machines that do more soaking and less spinning and use less water. Lived on a sailboat on and off over 4+ years for a total of 15 months or so. SOmetimes on rainy days would catch water off the bimini (cockpit cover) into waste baskets and our bucket, and wash clothes in there by hand. Wring out by hand and dry on the lifelines. Never realized before how interesting my laundry history has been. :-) I dry clothes outside in the spring/summer/fall. In the winter I use my drying racks inside, and they dry fast usually because when the furnace is on the air is dry. Oddly enough I still don't mind laundry although I hate most housework (due to the evil woman at that first job who yelled at me about everyting.) The washing clothes with my mom and the wringer and hanging it all up, that took time, but it was sort of a pleasant time. I especially liked hanging the clothes on the line in the summer. My best trick to share is to hang all shirts on hangers, and hang up the hangers on pipes or clotheslines or over the bathtub, etc. Once dry then they just get put in the closet. It is less work than moving them to a dryer, drying, then getting the wrinkles out and hanging them up. Marcia, not quite a homesteader but living in 'voluntary simplicity' a great deal |
- Posted by madspinner z7 WA skagit (My Page) on Sun, Sep 4, 05 at 22:23
What an odd thread a simple question has become! I found the many Laundry recipies very interesting. I'll have to try them. I'm more of a pretend homesteader. I suppose some folks would malign it, but it is what I think I am. I like to learn to do things from scratch, but I certainly don't do things that way all the time. I enjoy the luxury of being able to choose when I want to bake bread, or jam, or wash by hand. I admire those who do it themselves all the time, but honestly I probably AM too lazy to do it that way all the time. When I was in highschool my mother and I lived in a school bus on a bit of property without power for about half a year, most of it in summer. (we actually lived in the bus much longer than that, but this was just the time without power or sewer). I washed all my own clothes by hand down at the well, in cold water, and dried them on the grass. Not my idea of fun. I would have been thrilled with hot water and a washboard and wringer! But now I am glad of the experience. There is something to be said for knowing you can do a thing when it is needful. I've always been of the mind that the washing machine was one of the most liberating machines ever invented... as the wash used to take up so much of people's time. This in an age when folks owned far fewer clothes, and of better quality. It is amazing to me how much work used to go into the simple act of keeping a family clothed. I am in awe of anyone who could do that, especially considering so many also had a large family of children as well. Currently, I choose to use a washing machine. I'll admit being too lazy to do it by hand anymore, except for special items like wool sweaters or such that need to be cleaned by hand. I almost always wash in cold water. In the summers I like to use a clothes line... I find the act of hanging clothes enjoyable, and I love the sight of a full clothes line. I'd likely do it more, but alas, Washington State is not a good place to dry clothes outdoors. They'd likely mold first. I sometimes dry small amounts indoors, but my single wide mobile home is so small there is really no room for the amounts of laundry we go through. My only concern about doing laundry by hand would be the wear and tear on the clothing. If the clothes are made of good quality materials by hand or at home, they might do fine. But I know how shoddy many new garments are... half the time I've bought anything I have to remove and resew on all the buttons or they fall off! The fabrics are often of cheap quality, and the stiching poor. I have doubts how well these items would stand up to serious washing. And of course, so many things these days are only made to be dry cleaned...(a total scam as far as I am concerned) and won't even hold up half the time for a hand washing. Other than concerns about how modern clothing will hold up to past washing methods, I think it sounds like you have things covered. I'm glad you got the wringer. I remember how that hurt my hands, to wring by hand. People of the past were tough! I can't begin to imagine. Although, I do think folks forget that labor used to be really cheap, and that people who were even just middle class used to have servants who did the less pleasant things for them. One of my very old cook books from 1914 is for young wives of the middle class, and talks about what to have your servants do and how to treat them. This is NOT a book written for the rich, but for fairly average young women, who have maybe one or two servants who come in during the week. Things have changed a lot, and of course now we only expect the very rich to hire their own staff. That was also something I noticed in my family tree research when looking at census records, was how often a servant or two was listed as living with them. And my family was certainly NOT rich. Although one part of the family started out as miners in CA during the goldrush, and ended up with a Hotel/store with a decent size staff... Anyway, sorry to go off on another subject. Just an aspect of the past I think sometimes gets forgotten. I hope all your washing goes well. I'd love to hear if you find any tricks that make your clothes cleaner or the process more pleasant for you. |
- Posted by TruePurple (My Page) on Mon, Sep 5, 05 at 3:44
Hi, interested in alternative ways of washing cloths to save electricity and money. Those laeman wringers are very expensive, I wonder what they are made of to cost that much. Anyways, do you think one could ring out cloths with a rolling pin or putting something flat on top of the cloths and pressing down or putting something heavy on top of that? Any of you have experience with that wonder clean item and whether it has managed to clean as good or better then a washing machine? Or had any problems with it? http://www.laundry-alternative.com/washing.html |
- Posted by TruePurple (My Page) on Thu, Sep 8, 05 at 17:48
Do I have to make this a new topic that I might get a response? |
I washed all our laundry by hand in Ireland for several years, having no electricity. I used cold water and had to do it outside, choosing dry days. For wringing I would hang the clothes/bedding etc on the line, or drape stuff over the line, and twist it round until the water ran out. For getting work jeans etc really clean I used a scrubbing brush, it got stuff cleaner than a washing machine does, I found! And as long as I had rubber gloves I didn't mind doing the job at all . . . . outside, looking around at nature while I was doing it, it was pretty nice. Once the stuff was on the line I would return now and again and squeeze the water out from the bottoms of the items, where it had drained down. A wringer would have been nice, but I managed perfectly ok without one. |
This thread reminds me of a visit I made to see my Swedish grandma when I was 16 years old. She didn't speak English and I didn't speak Swedish. She motioned me into the back room and invited me to go do laundry with her. We washed my father's shirts on a glass washboard and found ourselves communicating non-verbally and very pleasantly enjoying the day. She had an electric wash machine and my mother thought it was ridiculous for us to be out there doing laundry by hand. It was one of the highlights of my life. I learned to love this grandma over a washtub. |
- Posted by thatcrazyguy (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 07 at 13:57
Washing machines are abominations. Hard work is salvation. All mankind ought to go back to washboards. I live in a low cost housing deal, and the entire community shares two washing machines and two dryers. This is unclean, unsanitary and disgusting. Most people don't think about these things, when they become stupid american purchasing units, with as much importance to themselves and their neighbors as a bucket of waste water... Want to remain healthy and clean in our latter-days? Return at once to the ways of our first settlers and pioneers... Less is more, abominations clutter and stain and rust and shame remain in vain... Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. |
- Posted by Eric Linder(email@example.com) onTue, Oct 28, 08 at 22:54
Hand washing is easier and cheaper. People who hand wash their clothes, are not normally obese. It's easier for a healthy person to hand wash clothes than for an obese person to put clothes in a washer. I initially used an antique wringer but little pieces of rubber would break off of the wringer due to age. I now use a big plastic mop wringer, but am saving up my change for one of those 200 dollar wringers. Automatic Dryers tear up clothes more than hand washing. I have learned that putting clothes on a line is enjoyable and I like to think of it as a statement to the world. I won't bend in to peer pressure just so that the world can be destroyed a little quicker. |
- Posted by diygreengirl (My Page) on Sat, Nov 8, 08 at 16:02
Ok so I'm the newby around here but I love this thread you started (apart the squabbling) because if someone has a reason for hand washing they should have somewhere to discuss it. There are plenty of reasons to hand wash things: Travel, Unexpected Trips, Unexpected Delays, Loss of Washer/Dryer, Lack of Access, Global Concerns, Minimalist Living, Avoiding Chemicals.. etc. I have long stints where my only access to washer/dryer are in a communal situation where many of the people have quite a different lifestyle than I do. The management is good about replacing the units as needed but being the one coming behind the sick person or the guy who partied/smoked all weekend is out of luck. I really enjoy the idea of doing things on my own terms in my own time and that is greatly affected when you have a few hundred other people to work around. It's more fun to take one's self out of that hectic/annoying equasion. I'm highly chemically sensitive as well so imagine the courage it takes me just to walk down to that laundry room praying that no one is running chlorox in their loads. (It could be months before I could come across a time when that isn't going on.) After seeing various shows about what lives in the water of most any washer (even privately owned ones) I can't imagine doing my laundry with anyone elses now. Dust mites, Fecal Choloforms among other things are just some of the common things found in water that cause rashes and other problems even on supposedly 'clean laundry'. Because of that now, I don't wash anything without Grapefruit Seed Extract because it's the one of the only things that kills that stuff. I was drawn to the thread also because I was looking for an easier way to handwash items with a low footprint ie.. In a small space to have multi-purposeable items that are easily stored goes a long way. My biggest concerns are: * Avoiding CRUNCHY or STIFF laundry (after all that work). I am currently using a 6 gallon drink tub with a handle and spiggot so I can move it around and do it wherever I want to and drain most of the water out before moving again. I realize I'm going to need to find a hose of some kind to hook to the sinks though. (Not as easy in the bathroom...) I also want to get a rolling plant stand or something for it so I can move around easily enough, which might actuall work out for agitation of some kind. The lid fits very tightly so it winds up having a wider opening than the WOnder Washer and holds more as well. AGitation? I'm going to look at the agitator on the Lehman's page but for right now I have one of those 'grabber' devices that people use to reach things when they can't bend over safely. Spinner verses Wringer/Mangle? Does anyone have any ideas on which is better in the long run? I've read extensively about two 'small' electrical spinners as well as the 18 inch type hand wringers and I just wonder about the benefits of either item. BOth wind up being a little pricy (@ $150 or more) and I can't imagine spending that kind of money on things that will not work on towels or sheets... Where does all that water go? Do you literally sit inside your tub? As for hanging to dry I have a single pole curtain rod from Ikea but I may go get the double one and put a rod on it without a curtain to drape the larger items over when I wash them. It allows for about a 1.5 inch space between curtains so I figure it will not affect the light weight curtain much if at all. It's right near the cieling fan as well so as long as it's well wrung it should dry quickly. I may post this kind of thread as well under another type of title about being chemically sensitive to see if more people who relate to that might have some experience with what to do. Thanks for any thoughts. I'm so tired of things coming out stiff - like socks, etc. Thanks GG |
- Posted by diygreengirl (My Page) on Sat, Nov 8, 08 at 16:54
True Purple: So far I fold everything in flat sections and twist from the middle and ends as tight as I can. It works for the smaller items and even the bigger ones but I wouldn't say it's the best plan for long-term. Like you I'm looking for a unit that will help wring out the clothes without it taking so long that half the clothes are dry while I'm still wringing the others. I also do not wish to pay that much for it - unless it does miracles and can spin / wring anything I need it to. I'm seriously considering a new way of doing bedding. I'm getting a few 2 dollar sheets and cutting them up into smaller sizes - ones that fit my approximate body footprint on the bed and use them like a 'liner' so they can easily be hand washed frequently and then the fitted sheet doesn't need to get washed that often. Target has these microplush blankets that feel like the softest thing ever and the thinner ones melt down to nothing wet and dry so I got two of those. I figure anything I can do to cut down on the 'bulk' of the laundry is going to be a learning experience. That will make it less complicated to spin/wring out. I was at the store and saw the old bucket mop wringer and it was $50 US and I thought geeze, this is cumbersome and I'm not going to buy a bucket to put it in if it doesn't fit on the one I'm already using. I"ll have to do more research on them... It closes up to about 2 inches and stops so smaller items would need to be packed in together. That makes me wonder though... if there is a way to cynch up something so that when you pull it tight it mashes the water out - might be a good idea too. One idea might be some kind of mesh bag. Another idea might be like a heavy duty salad spinner or steamer basket/insert with holes. If you could use something to mash/tamp the laundry down and the water went out the other side or squished the water out somehow it might be easier than rolling pining it. Has the rolling pin idea worked for you so far? If I was you I'd try the marble kind of rolling pin since it's not as pourous etc as wood. I'd also fold the items over a few times to give it some thickness to press. I don't currently own a rolling pin or I'd try it. I wish someone would make a large heavy duty salad spinner hehe. I have a large one that I got at Target for $2.99 US and it works fine for the small weighted delicates. I haven't tried anything else in it because I don't want to wreck it. You know what I mean by salad spinner right? It rinses the water off lettuce/greens etc. I mentioned it to someone and they thought it was a device to cut veggies with. Let me know how it's going for you - I also think we should be able to do this with less expense and at least a multipurposing of items! (I mean if I'm going to spend $150 on something I want it to do at least five things lol.) What are your bulkiest items and are there other inexpensive ways to bring that bulk down? I may still wind up doing a couple loads a year in a laundry machine but if everything else is done simply and inexpensively without too many single-use items taking up my space that's pretty good. Finding a way to de-bulk the laundry might be easier/ cheaper in the long run than finding the perfect spinner. All the best! PS: I just tried to send this and it said that we couldn't respond more than once - what is that about?? People were arguing earlier and making multiple posts I don't see how that would be possible if we're only allowed to post one comment to each thread. GOod thing for me I already knew to copy/paste my response before pushing Preview/Submit or I'd have lost all that... |
- Posted by amandapanda 9(firstname.lastname@example.com) onFri, Apr 24, 09 at 19:41
I don't have any money to buy any hand washing equipment, but I've been getting by so far. What I've been doing is using a (I think) 25 gallon Sterlite tub. I'll fill it with warm water and do a combination of stomping on it and agitating it with my hands for 10 minutes, switching every 30 seconds or so. Then I change the water and do the same for 5 minutes, for the rinse, two times. After I rinse I'll usually shower myself, then I move the shower curtain to the middle of the tub, and hang everything on hangers. The underwear and bras lay over the top. I live in an apartment complex, and for a wash and dry it costs me $2.50. Water and power are included in my rent so the cost of washing my own laundry is nothing to me, except for detergent, which is cheap because I make my own. So I'm saving $2.50, and doing it in half the time, and I don't even have to leave the house. I am obese, and I am trying to live healthier and simpler. I also just found out I have high blood pressure. I am trying to lose weight and instead of spending more money and going to a gym, I decided to practice a little physical labor instead. It's not fun, but I do feel like I'm getting a workout, and getting my laundry done at the same time. It's a win/win situation if you ask me.:) |
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- Posted by seasons4_2009 6 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 25, 09 at 14:17
Dear Praire Girl, If you live neat East Central Mo. you are welcome to a free concrete laundry tub with legs(28Lx24Wx34H). I am negotiaing with a plumber to undo the fixtures from the pipes and cap it off. I use an automatic washer and dryer but someone living here before me was a hearty soul and must have had a wringer washer. BTW-you will need a truck and several large men. Good luck with your chosen life style. |
- Posted by bikewarrior (My Page) on Wed, Aug 19, 09 at 21:56
I really can't believe what I'm reading. I am new to this forum. I have been washing my our clothes (5 of us) for a few months now out of necissity. It is pretty easy and our clothes are clean. I use a home made detergent and fabric softener(also on the frugal side) -Most of my recipies I have gotten from forums such as this one but usually tweak them . 1. Fill 5 gal bucket with a lid that has a hole cut in it for my plunger with hot water 2. Add clothes and detergent 3. agitate with plunger 5 mins. 4. let soak for 15 mins 5. agitate with plunger 5 mins. 6. move clothes to rinse bucket (if water is too hot I use metal tongs 7. add fabric softner -see recipie I got it from here and tweaked it 8. agitate that for a bit then wring it out The part where you wring it out really is the most work if you are doing it with out a wringer. your hands will toughen up to the task though. 9. Hang to dry either out side or on something that is mounted above the tub such as this http://www.lehmans.com/store/Home_Goods___Laundry___Drying___Accordian_Wall_Dryer___63ACD?Args= you can also use your tub but I use the buckets so I can clean the kids at the same time. I can wash while they play I say good luck to you and let me know how it goes. I will add that my recipies have helped with my daughter's excema 100% and even ran it by our dermatologist and he thought it was a great idea here are my recipies Fabric softener in large bowl pour in baking soda then add in vinegar |
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In our democracy, your voice matters. Do not let confusion about voting keep you from exercising your right to vote. Below you will find useful information about voting in California's 16th Congressional District.
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The Wisdom of Celia Cruz (Video)
Ed. note: Please click the headline link to see the Celia Cruz music videos
La Sonora Matancera as Life Coach
The other afternoon, my daughter was catching bugs outside while I was cleaning the kitchen. I blasted Pitbull and frenetically worked to his irrestible beat and saucy lyrics.
Then, the 7-year-old walked back in.
I haven't moved that fast since probably the 7th grade.
"Hey, what was that?" she asked, about my shutting off the music.
"An adult song. What do you need? Water?" I said trying to be cool, and silently cursed myself for getting caught.
And then, I turned up Celia Cruz, the woman whose lyrics I want my daughter to hear, to feel, to live by. The woman whose words, rhythm and story everyone should know.
For decades, La Reina de la Salsa yelled a full-body ¡Azucar! from the stages on which she performed — a confirmation of all that is sweet in life and yet, also in acknowledgement of the bittersweet life hands you.
Celia Cruz is my go-to, both when my spirit feels like celebrating all the sweet I already have and when I need a reminder that life is rich and good, no matter what.
The Cubana embodies a Latina who overcame, thrived, adapted, connected. When I watch videos of her singing, I can see her joy, her zest, even though I know her story is not an exact fairytale.
Her music so represents our Latin people, to me. People who work and struggle and stumble but dust off and achieve, push toward the better — all while laughing and singing and telling chistes. (At least, most).
So, Celia's body of work is both cultural connection and like an audio meditation book for me. I know just what I need to play on the stereo to get me moving, to get me in gratitude mode, to get me in celebration de la vida mode.
So, with that, here are some of my favorite and most inspirational Queen of Salsa songs that speak to my Latin heart.
Rie y Llora
Lo que es bueno hoy
Quizas no lo sea mañana
He ahi el valor del momento
He ahi el presente perfecto
La oportunidad de llegar
tu veras si te montas en ella
Agarrate fuerte
Y ya no te sueltes
Rie, llora
Que a cada cual le llega su hora
Rie, llora
Vive tu vida y gozala toda
If you don't speak Spanish, basically, she is saying that what is good today, may not be good tomorrow, and there is the value of the moment, the perfect present. When opportunity presents itself, you'll know if you grab it. Hold on tight and don't let go. Laugh and Cry. Everyone has their time.
Is that not sheer poetry and truth? That's like church and Deepak and The Power of Now all in one.
And, when you watch her sing it, you feel it. You know she's lived it. (I translated this song for the non-Latinas in Zumba class. They loved it!)
Doing lyric research for this essay, I discovered there are lesson plans for school children based on Celia's life story. Her life and music teaches children everything from history — Cuban, immigration, music history — to language, arts, and social science.
Celia as role model. Asi es!
La Vida es Un Carnaval
Todo aquel que piense que la vida siempre es cruel,
tiene que saber que no es asi,
que tan solo hay momentos malos, y todo pasa.
Todo aquel que piense que esto nunca va a cambiar,
tiene que saber que no es asi,
que al mal tiempo buena cara, y todo pasa
Everyone out there that thinks that life is always harsh,
Need to know that's not the case,
That there are just bad times, and it will all pass.
Everyone out there, that thinks that this will never change,
Need to know that's not the case,
The bad times will turn, it will all pass.
This is the song to whip you out of your pity party. Todo pasa. Everything passes. Put up a good front during bad times because everything passes.
And, when you live long enough, and you've stumbled enough, you know damned straight that everything does pass. (Hurrah!) And usually, you end up better and happier on the other side. It's a life motto, baby. (Check out how my friend, Ana, explained the song to her pre-schooler.)
Hay Que Empezar Otra Vez
Si lloras, si estas sufriendo por un amor que te abandono seguro que dios
Que para ti viene algo mejor, y el que pregona que esta vencido y que la
Vida lo trata mal. Tal vez ha entregado a medias lo grandioso de la amistad
Hay que empezar otra vez
Hay que empezar otra vez lo pasado ya es pasado
Ya lo
Pasao, pisao
Loose translation: Are you crying over a love who abandoned you? God probably had a hand in it. For you, something better is coming…You have to start again, the past is the past.
Word! I expect to play this song for my teen-ager one day.
Yo Vivire, I will Survive.
Celia sings:
Rompiendo barreras, voy sobreviviendo
cruzando fronteras, voy sobreviviendo Para ti mi gente siempre cantaré
te daré mi azucar caramba y sobreviviré
Rompiendo barreras, voy sobreviviendo
cruzando fronteras, voy sobreviviendo
Yo viviré, Yo viviré y sobreviviré.
Breaking barriers, I am surviving; crossing frontiers, I am surviving…I will give you my azucar, caramba…and I will survive!
Ella Tiene Fuego
Ella tiene fuego, cuando mueve las caderas
Ella tiene fuego, tiene un ciclon en las piernas
Ella tiene fuego, es la atraccion de la fiesta
Ella tiene fuego, y todo el mundo pregunta de que esta hecha
She's got fire when she moves her hips
She's got fire, has a cyclone for legs
She's got fire, she's the attraction at the party.
She's got fire, and everyone in the world asks what she's made of.
Honey, this song makes me feel I am made of Azucar y Fuego!
La Negra Tiene Tumbao
Tumbao means rhythm, like from the contageous sound that comes from conga drums.
In this video, Celia wears an orange wig and features a tall naked goddess, who sort of may be a street walker.
The message I get: You don't have to get old. You can have tumbao your whole life, and not necessarily only if you look like the tall, naked goddess.
Si quieres llegar derecho
Mejor camina de frente
Para que no haya tropiezos
Y venga aquí todo vences.
Si quieres llegar primero
Mejor se corre despacio
Disfruta bien de la vida — carino.
Aunque tomando medidas
La negra tiene tumbao
Y no camina de lao
La Dicha Mia
This song, La Dicha Mia, tells the story one Ursula Hilaria Celia Caridad Cruz Alfonso of Santos Suárez in Havana, Cuba. The song was written by friend Johnny Pacheco.
A Celia video playlist
You can watch 60 videos of Celia and her songs on our YouTube playlist. The perfect musica for working and dancing! Guantanamera is the first song.
Bottom line Celia wisdom
Life is short. Life is tough. Life is hella good.
And, you're never too old to wear an orange wig.
Y Tu?
What's your favorite Celia Cruz line?
What other Spanish singers and lyrics inspire you?


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Bowie Drug Dealer Sentenced to 10 Years in Prison
Greenbelt, Maryland - U.S. District Judge Deborah K. Chasanow sentenced Eduardo Reyes-Sotero, age 27, of Bowie, Maryland, today to 10 years in prison followed by five years of supervised release for conspiring to distribute large quantities of cocaine, announced United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein.
According to his guilty plea, from September to December 2008, Reyes-Sotero obtained over nine kilograms of cocaine from a coconspirator, and distributed the cocaine in Maryland. For example, on December 6, 2008 Reyes-Sotero delivered approximately two kilograms of cocaine to a home in Gaithersburg, Maryland.
On December 8, 2008, a Maryland State Police officer conducted a traffic stop in the Rockville, Maryland area on a car driven by Reyes-Sotero. The vehicle was searched and five bricks of cocaine totaling approximately 5,607 grams were seized from a hidden compartment. Later that day, officers searched Reyes-Sotero's residence and a shed in the rear of the lot, and seized multiple kilograms of cocaine, three digital scales, kilogram wrappers with cocaine residue, 13 cell phones, $6,000, a .38 caliber revolver and a box of ammunition.
United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein thanked the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Maryland State Police for their investigative work and commended Assistant United States Attorney Jonathan Su, who prosecuted the case.